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Info-Mac Digest             Fri, 24 Jul 92       Volume 10 : Issue 178

Today's Topics:

      [*] 2 Player Island for Bolo
      [*] bakersdozen.hqx
      [*] forty-thieves.hqx
      [*] Game-of-Kalah.hqx
      [*] ModVoicer 1.0b1
      An interface between AppleTalk Remote Access and Internet (Q).
      aux.support.apple.com (C)
      Bad F-Line instruction (C)
      ChicagoLaser Problem
      Classic II again
      Coach Pro 4.0 (R)
      Color Monitor Purchase
      Color Screen Snapshot (Q)
      Cross-posted questions without cross-posted answers :-(
      Disk Comparison Util. Sought
      Emmulators (C)
      Font Menu Problem
      Greyscale on the DeskWriter
      How to change font names???
      HP IIIp Drivers
      IBM 3270 emulator, LC MacLuggage
      Incompatible Hard Drives (Q)
      Internal grayscale for SE/30?
      IOMEGA Bournulli 90MB Removable drives (A)
      Key Tools (C)
      Lithuanian on a disk (and interest in other non-English stuff)
      Mac ads dumping on Windows
      Mac II -> Quadra Upgrade (A)
      Math Fonts (A)
      Misleading Macintosh Adverts
      movies access.
      Noisy Phone Lines
      Pirates
      power book and quick keys
      Price Club PBs/Quick Mail & Internet/small Flame (C)
      Printing to a file: Is it possible?
      Problems with my Desktop (3 msgs)
      ProtectIt---anyone have it?
      Quadra Compatibility
      RTF to Word (A)
      SE/30 Weairedness (Thankx)
      SendPS/Sys 7 problem?
      Statistical software for the Mac (R)
      Still Looking For Micrographic Images
      Sunset Software Survey
      True-type (A)

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:38:57 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] 2 Player Island for Bolo

Thanks to the help we received from [e-mail]
(whoever they are) we have been able to create our own Bolo island.

Enclosed below find a modified BMAP128 resource from Bolo which is designed
as an island for two player combat.  The motivation in creation of the BMAP
resource was to reduce the number of pillboxes and bases which would in
turn increase the direct tank to tank combat.  This will hopefully reduce
the number of stalemated games which seems to have been prevalent in our
games.

This map was created using MS Excel 3.0 and MS Word 4.0 and ResEdit 2.1.
You will need ResEdit to install this resource.  The procedure is as
follows

1)  BinHex decode the attached file.

2)  Duplicate the Bolo application - work only on the copy!!!

3)  Open the copy with ResEdit and select the BMAP resources and change the
number of the BMAP128 resource to any other number.

4)  Open the attached file with ResEdit and copy the BMAP128 resource to
the clipboard.

5)  Paste BMAP128 resource into the copy of Bolo.

6)  Save changes, quit and kill 'em good.....

We have developed an Excel macro/spreadsheet combination for rapid and
automatic development of Bolo maps (resource text file for BMAP resource)
which will help Bolo map makers until someone develops a true Bolo map
editor. We will be testing the macro/spreadsheet over the weekend and hope
to post it next week.

Please report and problems with the attached map.


Earl T. Benser          ([e-mail])
James R. Campbell, Jr.  ([e-mail])

[Archived as /info-mac/game/bolo-two-player-island.hqx; 6K]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:13:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Daniel K. Appelquist" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] bakersdozen.hqx

This is Baker's Dozen 2.1, the incredibly enjoyable (and fun!)
shareware solitaire game.  In features spectacular graphics (ahem) in
both b&w and coloras well as 2 card sizes (one for nine-inch monitors
and one for larger monitors.)

Dan Appelquist

[Archived as /info-mac/game/bakers-dozen-21.hqx; 118K]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 17:15:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Daniel K. Appelquist" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] forty-thieves.hqx

This is Forty Thieves 2.1, the insidiously addictive (and fun!)
shareware solitaire game.  In features spectacular graphics (ahem) in
both b&w and color as well as 2 card sizes (one for nine-inch monitors
and one for larger monitors.)

Dan Appelquist

[Archived as /info-mac/game/forty-thieves-21.hqx; 104K]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 22:36:24 +0200
From: [e-mail] (MERCIER Damien)
Subject: [*] Game-of-Kalah.hqx

            Game of Kalah
            -------------

A famous African game, a variation on Awele.
The CompactPro archive includes a small documentation (...)
You should try it before saying that you don't like games !

This program is shareware
A French version and the sources (Pascal) are available for 10$
PS:  Don't be sad or angry if you loose !
I made level 1 easy for that reason
(for beginners like me who like to win...)

Have fun

[Archived as /info-mac/game/game-of-kalah.hqx; 69K]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 18:24:14 EDT
From: Scott Bryner <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] ModVoicer 1.0b1

Uploaded for Kip Walker (address below)


This program will read amiga MOD files and let you play the voices
at different frequencies...  It is just a start, so let me know what
else you'd like to see done with it!

It requires system 6.0.7, but will run on any Mac!

EMail [e-mail]

(Enclosed is Binhexed CompactPro doc with App and info doc)

[Archived as /info-mac/sound/program/modvoicer-10b1.hqx; 10K]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 11:29 N
From: <[e-mail]> ([e-mail] FAX
FRANCE[33] 76-48-39...)
Subject: An interface between AppleTalk Remote Access and Internet (Q).

Distribution-File:
    [e-mail]

It should be possible to interface AppleTalk Remote Access to use internet
rather than modems on telephone lines, no ?  When I am away from home, I am
usually in a lab connected  to internet, which is much faster and cheaper
than telephone lines.  And I am deeply impressed by how powerful FTPd is.

Many thanks to all who told me that LeeMail and Eudora were the two internet
mail applications for the Mac, both on Sumex.  Eudora requires a POP3 server
on a unix box, and if you want similar storing of messages for LeeMail when
your Mac is down, you need to pass by an SMTP server, which is commonly
available (but not quite at ILL yet - hence the old bitnet address).

Several asked how I got a personal internet address number. I just asked our
net administrator to create one.  Every machine on the net can have one - its
the last 3-4 digits that identify your machine.  Just like a site telephone
number. Amazingly, people in the US, and even Australia, have been able to
ftp direct to my Mac in Europe.  And with a 2 megabit line, its fast.

Alan Hewat, ILL, 156X Grenoble Cedex, 38042 France (email [e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:42:30 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Michael A. McGuire)
Subject: aux.support.apple.com (C)

John Alciere reported a problem in getting into aux.support.apple.com.
Just tried and got in without problem.  There are at least four
possibilities.
1. Some servers allow only one person from a site to log in at a time.
2. The total number of logins is limited to some number and it had been
reached.
3. It was down for backups, etc.
4. The network was down between here and there.

Good luck.

Michael McGuire,  [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:25:01 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Michael A. McGuire)
Subject: Bad F-Line instruction (C)

[e-mail] posted a response about bad F-line instructions.  I
agree with all that was said.  In addition I have found that a bad
preferences file for the program being run can cause the problem.

I recently installed a new drive in my Mac IIfx and copied the contents of
my old disk to my new one.  In trying to run WordPerfect after the upgrade
it bombed every time with a the "Bad F-Line" message.  Calling WordPerfect
they said right away "Throw away the Preferences file."  It worked!  It had
become corrupted.  So it might be worth a try to throw away the prefs file
of the application you are running that generates the error.  Good luck.

Mileage my vary.


Michael McGuire,  [e-mail]

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Date: 23 Jul 1992 18:25:42 -0600 (MDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: ChicagoLaser Problem

I have a simple problem for which there is, I hope, a simple solution.  I
installed the ChicagoLaser in order to have a Chicago font for use with my
laser printer.  However, my Mac won't let me use it.  Only the original
bitmapped version appears in the menus.  I tried to remove the original
Chicago bitmapped version but my Mac refuses to let me, it says it needs
it for the system.  What can I do to gain the use of ChicagoLaser?  Many
thanks in advance for any help.

M. K. Ohlson
Bitnet: Ohlson@MSCD
Internet: [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:01:57 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Classic II again

On Thu, 23 Jul 92 12:07:33 +0200 you said:
>The classic II should be able to run all software that runs on an SE/30
>(OK, it spends twice the time on it).

I've got several things (SPSS CV, for example) that REQUIRE an FPU--
they'll work fine (if less briskly than I'm used to ;-) on an SE/30 but
crash on launch on a Classic II (can an FPU be installed in a Classic II
as easily as in an LC II?).

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 08:47:59 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Michael A. McGuire)
Subject: Coach Pro 4.0 (R)

I was sent the Alpha for CP 4.0.  It would not run on my IIfx running
7.0.1.   Made it crash and burn.  That was at least 6 months ago.  I have
heard nothing from them since.  Deneba is not on my good list.

Michael McGuire,  [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 15:31 CDT
From: "Eric Williams, M2 MCW" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Color Monitor Purchase

Ok,I read the recent article in MacUser about low-cost color monitors, and
decided to get the Sony CPD-1304 14" Monitor.  All the ads I have seen show
the cheapest price being $532.  MacUser lists the street price as $445. My
question to the net is where does one get this sort of deal? I'm not look-
ing for guarantees, just a couple of directions to look in.  I've heard that
there are some mail order houses in New York that sell electronics pretty
cheap.  So what do people think out there?

 Eric D. Williams, M-3 Medical College of Wisconsin
 [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:26:33 EST
From: John Alciere <[e-mail]>
Subject: Color Screen Snapshot (Q)

I need a utility that will allow me to take a snapshot of a color screen, and
convert the colors and greyscale to halftones (greyscale emulated by varied
dot
densities).  Right now I use Flash-It V2.1, which does an EXCELLENT job of
capturing B/W displays, but converts color and greyscale to B/W.

Any help would be appreciated.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:04:47 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cross-posted questions without cross-posted answers :-(

On Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:15:14 EDT you said:
>I recently downloaded Flash-it, but I can't get it to show the pointer
>in the screen dump.

Not to pick on this particular question, because it's only one of
several which was answered earlier today on MAC-L (a LISTSERV list).
Unfortunately, mailers are inconsistent about whether they construct
headers in ways which cause LISTSERV to indicate that the same question
was cross-posted to the digest.

I can well understand the logic of the cross-post.  The digest is far
more widely read, but if someone on MAC-L happens to know the answer, it
arrives hours sooner.

The reason that such cross-posts are a problem is that because an answer
appeared on MAC-L, all those who saw it there are unlikely to take the
time to do it again on Info-Mac; hence, those reading the digest but not
MAC-L miss something they might be interested in.  I may have to save
replies I post to MAC-L longer than I now do, in case it later turns out
to be worthwhile adding them to info-mac (or perhaps not, depending on
whether others feel they're missing out on something).

My impression is that almost all readers of MAC-L read the digest, but
not vice-versa.  Possibly the better strategy would be to WAIT until the
day AFTER posting to MAC-L before posting to the digest (or at least
waiting until around supper time to post to info-mac).  I'd see the
benefit as: 1) if the Q&A is identifiably an FAQ, and MAC-L generates an
answer, it may not be worthwhile sending it to info-mac as well, and 2)
if MAC-L provides an answer, the question AND the answer could be posted
to the digest for the benefit of the wider community; that way, the
following digest won't contain several redundant answers.

The other strategy, is post to info-mac but NOT MAC-L in any instance
where a quick reply isn't really necessary (the majority of questions
are not life and death, although I too am prone to being frustrated by a
puzzle and wanting to get it resolved yesterday).

Anyone have other alternatives (better ones especially welcome)?

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:58:48 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Angus P. MacDonald)
Subject: Disk Comparison Util. Sought

Is there a program that will do a byte-by-byte comparison of
two or more Mac disks? Please e-mail replies to address below.
Thanks,
Angus MacDonald           [e-mail]
Box 561, Concord, California, USA, 94522-0561

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Date: Wed, 24 Jun 92 02:58:12
From: [e-mail] (Dieder)
Subject: Emmulators (C)

No this is not about SoftPC/AT/Node.

Just visited a local store and saw, while scanning the displays, an
eyegrabbing
screen. It was on a NeXT. No, it wasn't 24 bit colour displays. It was a copy
of
Risk being played on it. Risk for the Mac that is to say. In otherwords, the
NeXT was running an emulator. Quite nifty! But, it sure doesn't even come
anywhere near the performance of even a Mac 512! Hey, it works nonetheless.

Program was called 'Executor', and was demoing its stuff with a very limited
choice of programs.

Just thought I'd let y'all hear 'bout it.

D.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:12:01 CDT
From: Andrew Vernon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Font Menu Problem

Seprate font names for various weights (like "B Bodoni Bold" & "I Bodoni
Italic" come from an old-fashioned way PostScript fonts were distributed.
The faces were given separate identities since they could not be "joined"
together. Newer fonts already are "united" and only appear once in the
menu.

If you want do-it-yourself font harmonizing, there are two commercial
utilities which can help you. One is Adobe's Type Reunion extension
(about $40), which organizes the various weights into pop-up menus.
Another is Font Harmony, which is sold with Suitcase. This goes through
the set and "unifies" the font families as though they were sold that
way.

The downside of these two solutions is that if you don't already have
Suitcase, you have to buy it or Type Reunion. I don't know of a share/
freeware program that'll do the trick.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 12:25:03 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Greyscale on the DeskWriter

I am getting rather inconsistent results trying to output greyscale to
my DeskWriter (driver 3.1) from Nisus and Publish It Easy. I know there's
a principle behind the results, I just can't figure out what it is.

If I import a graphic into a doc in either app, following the (very brief)
instructions for greyscale printing that came with the driver upgrade
>From HP produces greyscale output. But if I create the graphic in either
app, I only get b&w output. Thus a light grey display on the screen (8 bit
greyscale) prints as widely separated dots on a white background on the
DW. But the same doc sent to the LW+ down the hall comes out in light
grey. Any ideas?

Graeme Forbes

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 06:09:40 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Mark Perry)
Subject: How to change font names???

Hi All,
I want to change the names of a few fonts, both the bitmap variety and
their corresponding Type 1 files. How can I do this with ResEdit?

Either instructions or the name of a reference would be appreciated...
Many thanks.

Please mail me direct, as I don't get much time to read this group
unfortunately :-(

Cheers,
Mark.
[e-mail]
No witty .sig yet
--
Mark Perry

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:55:54 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: HP IIIp Drivers

I recently posted a question concerning $1000 RET laser printers for the
Mac.  One person responded by saying that it is possible to use a plain HP
IIIp (without AppleTalk, a Postscript cartilage, or extra memory) with a
third party driver on the Mac.  He mentioned drivers available from GDT
Softworks and Insight Developmemt.  Does anyone have any experience with
either of these drivers and where can I buy them?  Of course, I would
ideally like to connect a laser printer with resolution enhancement-type
technology to my Mac without having to resort to acrobatics.  I would
appreciate any information on soon-to-be-released, approximately $1000,
RET-type laser printers.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:11:10 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: IBM 3270 emulator, LC MacLuggage

On Thu, 23 Jul 92 11:41 CDT you said:
>Does anyone know of an IBM 3270 terminal emulator for the Mac out there,
>either shareware or commercial?  I want to hook up to the campus MVS
>system via Internet, but it only accepts the 3270 emulator.

Email to [e-mail]
(subject ignored)
GET TN3270 $PACKAGE

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:44:34 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Incompatible Hard Drives (Q)

Question on Hard Disk Compatibility

The hard disk on my IIcx recently died, and I decided to ask our service
people
to replace the 80 MB Quantum with a higher capacity drive.  They installed a
160
MB Apple HD, manufactured by IBM.  The system also includes a Microtech N100
external drive, which is a Quantum.
We discovered that the Startup Disk control panel will not work properly when
switching from the N100 drive to the 160 MB internal.  On the other hand,
using
a new 80 MB Apple Quantum drive works fine.  Though the Startup Disk problem
is
the only one weUve really verified, this is obviously not a very safe
condition
in which to continue using such a system.
Microtech believes that the problem is that the IBM drive uses a Western
Digital
controller, which is fundamentally incompatible with the controller in the
Quantum .  They say there is no way that the two drive flavors can coexist on
the same system.
Now,  since the higher density Apple/IBM drive would cost much more than much
larger third-party Quantum externals, I am about ready to quit trying to make
this work,...
But this is ridiculous.  We have two drives here, both presumably conforming
to
SCSI and Apple standards, which are unable to operate simultaneously on the
same
system.  My questions are:
    1) Is Microtech right about the drives being incompatible?
    2) Has anyone else experienced this problem?  If so, was it solved?
    3) Does this make sense?
Please reply to:        [e-mail]
Thanks,
    Greg

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:52 EST
From: ROBERT_BROCKMAN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Internal grayscale for SE/30?

Has anyone out there actually purchased and used/is using the Micron SE/30
internal grayscale adapter? I have the occasion to have acces to a large Mac
monitor, and if for an extra $80 (on top of the Micron video card) I can have
256 shades of gray on my 9 inch internal, that would be cool also.

Anyone seen this is action? Any problems? I'd appreciate the feedback, but if
all else fails most mailorder places said they'd take the whole thing back
within 30 days if I didn't like it, but I'd still like to hear from you all
first.

Robert Brockman, [e-mail]  or  [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:43:31 -0400
From: Andrew E. Scheck <[e-mail]>
Subject: IOMEGA Bournulli 90MB Removable drives (A)

>    I was just wondering if anyone has any comments good/bad about the
>IOMEGA bounulli 90MB removable drives before I take the plunge and spend
>the $700.

I bought a dual for home use and think it's great. It is noticably faster
than my internal Quantum 80, but that may be because the 80 is down to about
5Mb free and that is probably fragmented. We just bought a bunch for work
because the Iomegas have been our recommended removable media drives for the
last couple of years. My only other experience is with the Totem 20Mb drives
>From Bering Industries (which are being replaced with the 90s). The Totem 20s
had no write verify option so we often had files written to bad sectors which
were then not recoverable. They were also terribly slow. I have nothing bad
to say about the Iomega 90s.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 12:02:28 CEST
From: Vittorio Dell'Aiuto <[e-mail]>
Subject: Key Tools (C)

>I installed Key Tools yesterday and had some problems with copying and
>pasting text. When I used Cmd-V to paste, I got TWO copies of the information
>pasted; when I used the Paste menuItem from the Edit menu, it worked OK.

I had the same problem too.
Just to be more precise, it happens only using some DAs, I think:
the problem showed in McSink and SuperNotePad, not in applications
like MS Word or ZTerm.

Vittorio Dell'Aiuto   ***   [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:03:45 EDT
From: Pete Tamas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lithuanian on a disk (and interest in other non-English stuff)

======================================================================== 46
Date:         Fri, 24 Jul 92 00:58:03 EDT
From:         Pete Tamas <GNOME@TEMPLEVM>
Subject:      Lithuanian on screwy disks
To:           Macintosh News and Information <MAC-L@YALEVM>
In-Reply-To:  Message of Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:05:23 CST from
 <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 24 Jul 1992 14:05:23 CST P Hellander said:
>BTW someone expressed concern at the diacritics for Lithuanian not coming
out:

That was me, the Hungarian-American Gnome.

>fear not, I have taken steps to alleviate that problem. The text was used
>using a 'marking' technique i.e. a / or ; or ] (I think) to indicate the
>occurence of diacritics. Once the marked text is converted from ASCII into
>A Mac text file, I run a programme called 'Transcribe' over the text file
>and the programme automatically inserts the correct diacritics and converts
>the text to the Romance font. It's very neat. Incidentally, this also works
>for other 'odd'languages requiring more complicated accentuation: Czech,
>Croatian, Finnish, Latvian, Turkish etc etc. This 'marking' obviates the
>difficulties encountered when creating multilingaul text on a different
>platform to a Mac - AS LONG AS you can get the text into the Mac to convert
>it. this is where my problem lies. :-((
>
Anyway to get a hold of this program to play around with.

>Anyway I  shall rest my case here: enough has been said, but the problems
>is not solved. The original text lies in Canberra and I need the Lithuanian
>on my Mac today. The originator doesn't know enough about modems to
>configure his department's modem to send me the text electronically, so
>he sent it by email to the regional office; they printed it, scanned it
>(can you believe?) and now I have to walk (yes walk and move OUT of my
>office) to actually retrieve the scanned text. I am keeping my fingers
>crossed.
>
>If anyone is interested in my little 'scam' to get IBM created multilingual
>text onto the Mac, I can do a short run-down. Better get my shoes on and
>get walking.....
>
>Paul
>
That would be great! (I would also like to correspond and even
try to help others involved with non-English computerization
issues). Thanks, Pete
Pete Tamas, [e-mail], Temple Univ., Philadelphia, eastern USA

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:14:14 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac ads dumping on Windows

On Thu, 23 Jul 92 09:32:16 PDT you said:
>"How to retrieve a deleted File", the ad. states...
>
>In MSDOS, it takes no less than 10 steps, of which the first is "buy
>Norton Desktop for Windows", and so on..
>
>Now, on the Mac, all we have to do is double click the trash can and drag the
>deleted file out... easy, eh.
>
>Seems to me this is grossly misleading, since it only applies until the
>trash can has been emptied. After that, it's off to the store to
>buy Norton Utilities (or some other fine product), and my guess
>is it's at least 10 clicks to get the file back (if it hasn't been
>overwritten).

I don't find that adv as much of a stretch as the "PowerBook runs MeSsy
DOS" (without mentioning that it's a considerable extra cost and the
performance is less than thrilling) ads of last Winter.

First, under System 7 (which Apple clearly assumes in its adds),
emptying the trash is a SECOND separate step.  I rarely empty the trash
-- I let Trashman do it, and I've set Trashman so that the file stays in
the can long enough that by the time it's actually gone I'm very
unlikely to change my mind.

I've never actually had a need to recover a file after the trash is
emptied, but I do happen to have Norton's FileSaver running (MacTool's
Mirrors is hopelessly slow and has a regrettable tendency to crash file
transfers :-(  So, only because you brought it up, I launched Norton
Utilities and selected undelete.  Three clicks to bring up a couple
hundred recoverable files (in alphabetic order).  A slide to the one I
want and another click to dump it into a "recovered files" folder in the
root directory.  Pretty painless, actually.  I was even surprised at the
age of some of the files Norton says it can still recover.

I'm not that familiar with Windows, but from what I have seen Apple's
point that Windows is a poor substitute for a Mac interface (my
impression is that's an attraction to lots of MeSsy DOS users) is valid.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:07:44 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac II -> Quadra Upgrade (A)

On Thu, 23 Jul 92 8:49:26 EDT you said:
>       I recall a couple of months ago there were a series of
>questions concerning a Mac II to Quadra upgrade, but I don't
>recall if an answer was found.  I would appreciate it if someone
>who knows could forward that information to me.  I have a Mac II
>and am interested in upgrading to a Quadra 950.

The Mac II upgrades to a IIfx (patience, rumor has it that there will
be an "October surprise" upgrade to a 6-slot form factor scorcher that
will leave a Q950 gasping in the dust (more details in the Vaporware
column next week ;-)

The IIcx, IIci form factor upgrades to the Q 700 NOT the 950 (only the
900 upgrades to a 950).  If you need a Quadra now, the experience around
here has been that the net cost is less if you sell your older Mac to
Maya or one of the other "previously owned" Mac dealers, and buy the
Quadra brand spanky new.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 14:02:51 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <[e-mail]>
Subject: Math Fonts (A)

There have been a number of queries recently on infomac about the
availability of math fonts. Here are a couple of suggestions.

Dubl-Click (818-700-9525) does a Type 3 font called MathWhiz which has
got a variety of symbols on it not in Symbol. If you call them, they'll
send you a printout. If you use a DeskWriter, however, MathWhiz isn't
 a good idea, since ATM doesn't render Type 3 fonts, and you can't use
Fontastic+ on the DublClick screen fonts to make 4x sizes. But if you
do drafts on an IW and final output on a LW it may be worth taking
a look at. The font is about $90.

The ultimate symbol fonts are the Lucida family from Y&Y. There is a
text font and three or four other fonts, totalling a superset of the
full AMS symbol-set. The package comes with special variants for TeX
users. The text font is based on Computer Modern, but is heavier in
appearance (see e.g. any recent volume of the CSLI lecture notes for CM).

The fonts are Type 1, fully hinted, rendered by ATM on the printer and on
screen. You must be using an app that allows you turn on fractional widths,
otherwise the screen display is pretty horrible. This may mess up other
features of your set-up (it did mine, but that's my idiosyncrasy). Of course,
you could do your text in another font and only switch to a Lucida font
for symbols. Anyway, whatever you think about the screen display, the print
out is very nice.

I purchased Lucida about a month ago and returned it, in part because of
having to enable fractional widths,  but mainly because the symbol fonts
didn't work properly with KeyCaps and, even worse, PopChar (which in my
opinion is indispensable in this sort of situation). I sent Y&Y a letter
of explanation, and lo and behold, they fixed the problems (PopChar appar-
ently makes some assumptions it shouldn't re negative widths, so it wasn't
really Y&Y's fault). They also provide a proper cheat sheet now, with
key combinations instead of just character codes. I'm going to reorder.

You can call Y&Y for a printout of the character sets, 800-742-4059.
If you buy the fonts and then decide you don't like them, they'll
refund your money without complaint.

I see from their publicity that Scientific American is now using the
Lucida family. Y&Y also have other font families, including a Computer
Modern and an Euler family. I don't know what the latter does. Lucida
is what Mac users want. With academic discount, the package is about
$170.

Graeme Forbes

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:00 CDT
From: "Dwight Lemke @ Wisconsin Oshkosh" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Misleading Macintosh Adverts

Not to be a pedant :)

If you have filesaver installed it would take at most six clicks to restore
a file (counting accessing Norton from the Apple menu as a click).

-Dwight

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Date: 24 Jul 92 14:44:19 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: movies access.

How can someone outside stanford access the "mac movies"?
Rick Slater

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 07:48:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: Marcia Joy Talkmitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Noisy Phone Lines

>
> Our administration office is having problems when communicating with TENET.
> They have a 9600 Baud modem (don't know the brand, but I could find out if
> that would help).  They were having no problems when they were utilizing
> the 800 number, but when they were forced to use a local modem pool (in
> Lubbock) they began receiving garbage on the screen and have given up on
> ever being able to use it.  I purchased a 2400 Baud Zoom modem and
> have not had any problem with it using the 800 number at my house which is
> not within a "no-charge" area for the local modem pool.  When I presented
> a workshop for teachers at my school and used the Lubbock access, I began
> to get the same garbage on my screen (another phone line, another
> building). Both my line at the school and the administration office modem
> hookups are on dedicated lines...I have asked my fellow mac users on TENET
> what they think and have had suggestions:
>
>       1.  Call the telephone company, but don't tell them that you have
>       a computer or modem and tell them that you are tired of hearing the
>       clicking, clanging, and excess noise on the line.  The telephone
>       company can reroute a line which would result in a shorter line and
>       solve some of the problems  (but wouldn't that cost and then they
>       would know that you have a computer and modem?).
>
>       2.  Call the telephone company.  Do tell them that you have a computer
>       and modem and that you need a diagnostic test run on the line by a
>       technician.  They can tell you if your modem is running "hot."
>
>       3.  Write Info-Mac...This is my choice now.
>
> Our administration office has not tried #1 or #2 yet because they are
> trying to get school start-up and payroll ready (heaven forbid that they
> do this before payroll....HA).
>
>                                       Thank you,
>                                       Marcia Talkmitt
>                                       [e-mail]
>                                       Slaton High School
>                                       300 S 9th Street
>                                       Slaton, TX 79364
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:56 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Pirates

In a previous article, Pete Tamas <[e-mail]>
wrote:
>that a great many people who coplain about System 7 complain
>because pirated versions of their SW does not work. (I'm not saying
>that everyone who complains is a pirate). Louis commented privately:
>>If these people had bought System 7 they would have receive the Compat.
>>Checker. I really liked your message and you should have gone even further.

System 7 is FREE! You dont have to buy it to use it and if you get it from
publick computer you might not get compat. checker with it.

>>We are constantly reading questions whose answers are in the F.. manual. We
>>are often helping pirates and that really makes me sick. I fought at the

How do you know they are pirates? It's nothing illegal in not reading a
manual! The manuals could be very misleading too... Anyway, if somebody ask
question no matter how stupid or simple it is intellegent person should answer
it unless you KNOW the software is pirated. How about presumption of
innocents?

>>University
>>where I teach so they buy softwares instead of copying. Many pirates ask for
>>my help. Please next time hit even harder, we need that.

We dont want to help pirates but we dont want to discourage people from asking
questions either. If you just too smart to answer simple question- dont
answer!

>>Louis Bergeron [e-mail]

Sorry, just couldn't resist to comment even if it sounds like flame..

Mike Fridberg [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 21:52 MST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: power book and quick keys

does anybody out there know how to wake a sleeping powerbook with quick keys?

i set up a sequence to auto dload my mail from home and i dont want to leave
the powerbook on all the time

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 12:30:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Elliot Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Price Club PBs/Quick Mail & Internet/small Flame (C)

Some semi-quick comments:

First, despite my e-mail address, I currently live in and log-in from
Germany.  I only mention this because about 2 days ago I had my sister
in N.J. RUN (not walk) to the Price Club to buy me a Powerbook 100
(thanks, btw, to the netter who pointed this out after reading MacWeek;
I got my MacWeek 2 days later and saw the article- by which time I already
had my Powerbook [well, my sister has my Powerbook ;-] ).  Anyway,
she told me she went in to get it and the salesman said to her (in a
very snobby, matter-of-fact tone): "It's NOT IBM compatible." (As if that
made it worthless).  She said told him she didn't care (I would have said
"EXACTLY the reason I'm buying it!"- but I digress).  Anyway, I just
thought I would share this with the net.  I suspect the Price Club will
sell out of these at $900/ea. DESPITE their sales tactics.  One onther
note: the current SCHOOL price on a PB 100 4/40 in Germany is DM 3,100
(or about $2000 at the current exchange rate).  My local dealer (which is
an AppleCenter) buys one of these from Apple Deutschland for around
$1700 (I think).  It makes you wonder, doesn't it?

On another (recently discussed topic) we are about to install Dispatcher
SMTP.  What this software is supposed to do (and I can let you know if it
works when I get it running which I can't just yet because I need version
2.5a of Quickmail and we only have v.2.5) is let a quickmail server with
an internet address send and receive mail to/from the internet and all
QM users on that server.  Since our LAN is connected to a CISCO router on
internet, this will mean that I will be able to send and receive e-mail
>From around the world right here on my Mac via QM.  Dispatcher is expensive
(about $1200), but considering that you buy it per QM Server, its not
too bad (for us, at least).

If anyone wants/needs more info, don't hesitate to e-mail me...

And now for a small flame.  Can someone please tell me what's going on
at SUMEX???  Quite a number of files (qt/1984 & Dan Quayle, DeHex,Anu-graph
[which I finally did get]) are no longer at SUMEX.  These files weren't
posted THAT long ago.  Am I missing something here???

(Low burning) Flame off

Elliot Bennett
[e-mail] (but not for long, I hope!)


[Why oh why does the net inspire people to flame when a simple question
 would be adequate and so much more polite??

 I have to make more room in the archive for new submissions by deleting
 files. I have to remove files with copyright problems so we won't be
 sued. It is not an attempt to make it difficult for people to transfer
 files.

 Bill]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:16:51 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Printing to a file: Is it possible?

On Thu, 23 Jul 92 14:09:07 EDT you said:
>     I have a program that only prints reports to a printer.  Is it possible
>to print to a file?  Is there some program that acts like a printer driver,
in
>that you would select it from the chooser as the printer, and it would put
>the incoming information into a file, rather than sending it off to a
>printer?

get info-mac/ex/print-2-pict-30.hqx it'll print to text, self launching
app ("postcard" -- looks much better than I thought it might), as well
as PICT.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 08:55:08 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Roy Wensley)
Subject: Problems with my Desktop

A very strange thing just happened with my Quadra 900.  A large number of
folders at the top of my HD directory just disappeared!  I know that all
the files contained in the folders are still there, because I can
use "find" and find them.  When I run an application from one of the
missing folders, the applications runs and the folder will show up.  As
soon as I quit the application, the folder disappears again.  Can anyone
help me?????

Roy Wensley
Saint Mary's College
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 09:37:59 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Roy Wensley)
Subject: Problems with my Desktop

I thought that I had System 7 tuneup installed.  At least a file
"System 7 Tuneup" is in my Extensions folder.  Also, I notice that
the Icons for many of my applications are now plain, rather than
the custom ones that were there.  Is my only option to backup and
reformat the harddisk?

Thanks,

Roy

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 13:23:45 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Roy Wensley)
Subject: Problems with my Desktop

Well... the icon problems were not fixed by rebuilding and Disk First Aid
did find a problem with the disk.  Unfortunately, it turns out that
I was not shipped system disks with my machine.  Now the worst has
happened--my system folder disappeared and my computer cannot reboot (
I get the smiling face and then nothing).  I've called my retailer
(Computerland) and someone is going to come with disks on monday
morning.  At the moment, I am not a happy Apple customer!

Thanks for your help,

Roy

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:27:26 PDT
From: [e-mail] ( John Thoo )
Subject: ProtectIt---anyone have it?

Hi, folks!

Say, is anyone out there just DYING to upload the
free(?)ware ``ProtectIt''?  <grin>
I understand that it keeps people from copying stuff
without permission---just what I need.

Thanks.

--John.
<[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:17:37 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Quadra Compatibility

On 23 Jul 1992 16:56:53 -0400 (EDT) you said:
>1) Does anyone know of an updated list, Hypercard stack, etc. that
>contains information on which programs are compatible with the 040
>caches in the Quadra?  The list that Apple sent leaves a little to be
>desired - as I'm sure you know!

Broken record - IMHO (again) such a file or stack is likely to be a
waste of time as it will be obsolete before it can be put together.  The
real shortcoming of the document that ships with the Quadra (even last
November when it was "fresh" is that it doesn't mention thousands of
programs that are both cache compatible and 32-bit clean).  About the
only example of non-040 compatible software I have left is Battleship
1.1.1 (running under the compatibility cdev at IIsi speed is plenty fast
enough for that one ;-)

>2) Has anyone tried one of the inits that is supposed to disable the 040
>caches whenever an incompatible program is run?

get info-mac/cp/quadra-auto-cache-22.hqx  What it does really is simply
flush the caches on every write to cache ONLY for applications that are
not compatible.  That slows the Quadra down about as much as turning the
caches off, but the caches actually remain on.  Hence, AppleTalk's
timing isn't messed up and compatible apps continue to run a full speed.
It really works, although as a practical matter unless you're loaded up
with extremely specialized software from vendors who are asleep at the
switch, you're unlikely to need the cdev as much more than a "security
blanket."

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 09:44:29 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: RTF to Word (A)

  Thanks to all who replied.  The consensus was that MacLink Plus
(DataViz, ~US$100) would do mass conversions of files from RTF to MS
Word format.

Shih Tung

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 23:34:34 CST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: SE/30 Weairedness (Thankx)

It has been fixed. It was the guy that has an A-bomb icon. Turning the
sound off did the job.

My sincere thanks to Peter J. Swanson
Jim Burmeister, Ed Ver Hoef, Jim Elliott, Fred Condo, Mark Elliott,
Creamer Timothy, Maynard Handley, Charlie Lindahl, Andrew Strasheim,
Erick Young, Ed Costello, Klaus Fechner, tom coradeschi, and all those
who replied ...

jack

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 10:53 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: SendPS/Sys 7 problem?

Hi again all!

First of all, a big thanks to Murph Sewall, Rick Zaccone, and
Micheal S. Holtzman on the help for finding the TN3270 emulator.
I'm installing it tonight.  Thanks again!

Now for another question (two in two days!).  A friend of mine is
having trouble with SendPS 2.0.  He starts the application, and
attempts to download a PostScript file to a LaserWriter IINT through
an AppleTalk network.  After choosing the file to print, he gets the
following errors:

Couldn't open Printer Driver: LaserWriter
Chooser Error: Couldn't determine name of printer

When we open the chooser, the printer is selected with the proper
name.  He's running under tuned System 7.0, could it be a conflict
between SendPS and Sys 7?  Everything else he prints works fine
(MS Word 5 documents, etc.).  Any suggestions?  He's using a IIcx
with 8Mb RAM.  Thanks in advance for the help!

Andy

[e-mail] or
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 09:04:29 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Michael A. McGuire)
Subject: Statistical software for the Mac (R)

Check out JMP v2.1 from SAS Institute.  Tastes great and is less filling.

Michael McGuire, [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 22:19:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: engcon!GEMINI!"POPEYE::SISSON_MD"@uunet.UU.NET (Mike Sisson)
Subject: Still Looking For Micrographic Images

A couple of weeks ago I posted the following message and received nary a
single reply. Surely we weren't the only folks to buy one of these
gems? If you have trouble reaching me by e-mail then please post a reply
to the net or call me at [phone]. I will appreciate any and all
leads.

Greetings,

Can anyone out there tell me who bought out a company called Micrographic
Images? They were located in Canoga Park, CA and made a product called the
Megascreen. It is a 19" display system for the SE. I need to know who
bought their product line and a phone number if available.

Thank you,
Mike Sisson
engcon!GEMINI!"POPEYE::SISSON_MD"@uunet.UU.NET

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Date: 24 Jul 1992 14:40:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Colin Lamb <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sunset Software Survey

Folks,

Got a neat Mac fax the other day.  I mean it looks neat, at least.  It came
>From Sunset Software of Austin Texas.  It was the ususal how many units do
you
have and do you plan to buy in the next few months.  It also asked who are the
folks on your standards committee, who is your usual dealer and how much your
school's annual microcomputer budget is.  The promise of free evaluation
software and hardware could come with a pretty stiff sales pitch, from the
looks of the survey.

I was just wondering if anyone else had seen this survey and what you might
think of it.  Or of Sunset Software, in general, if anyone has any experience
with them.  Thanks!

Colin Lamb --- MacMeister 8-)> --- Drake University --- Des Moines

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 01:20:12 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: True-type (A)

On Thu, 23 Jul 1992 12:40:51 -0400 (EDT) you said:
>I have a question about using fonts with Hypercard.  Specifically why do
>fonts with True-type look so much different than without it.  Also, is
>True-type public domain, or is it part of the software Apple supplies
>with Macs now?

TrueType is NOT public domain!!  Not only is it copyright, but
redistribution is limited to licensees (which includes most user
groups).  TrueType is built into System 7.  Evidently, your problem is
with Macs still running System 6.  You can get TrueType for System 6
>From ftp.apple.com (in the dts/mac/sys.soft/imaging directory)

------------------------------

Date: 23 Jul 92 20:24:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]

My girlfriend is leaving for Germany in a matter of weeks. She'll be there a
whole year - just her and her PB 140.

I wondered if anyone knew how I could possibly get her hooked up to the nets
so we could E-mail one another.

She'll be in Hessen (near Frankfurt I think). Is there a university that
could give her an account? If it helps, she'll be teaching in a gymnasium on
a Fulbright Grant.

I assume she'll need some sort of power-converting apparati, along with some
phone wire connector gizmo. Anyone know about this stuff?

Anyway, thanks go in advance to those kind enough to reply,
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 16:15:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Vorthmann <[e-mail]>

I'd like to use a SLIP connection as an AppleTalk connection, much as ARA
provides.  Is anyone working on this?

Motivation: my university & local phone co. provide high-speed DOV
connections, with the modem provided by the university.  The university
also provides a SLIP service.  It is not clear whether they'll be providing
ARA dialup servers on the campus network.  Thus, I easily have high-speed
TCP services, but I'd really like AppleTalk across the same connection,
so I have Chooser access to stuff.

Dr. Scott Vorthmann                             Systems Scientist
School of Computer Science                      [e-mail]
Carnegie Mellon University                      [phone]
Pittsburgh, PA  15213                           UCC 210

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 23:02 MESZ
From: [e-mail] (Marco Pauck)

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.digest
Path: pauck
From: [e-mail] (Marco Pauck)
Subject: PICT to EPS or whatever
Organization: Point of Presence Hamburg
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 1992 21:02:31 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Lines: 21

Sorry, if this is a FAQ but I'm just a poor PC user and dont't
know anything about Macs...

I urgently need to convert some PICT (line art) files to something
I can read on the PC, e.g. CorelDRAW, Micrografx Designer, or EPS.

The Mac people here say, they don't have such a converter.
So, where can I FTP such a utility from?

Please e-mail me because I regulary don't read this group.

Thanks!
    Marco
--
Marco Pauck
WMD GmbH, Hamburg, Germany
email: [e-mail]
phone: [phone]

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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:33:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]

Newsgroups: cmu.comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.digest
Path: jmd
From: [e-mail] (John Dolan)
Subject: High-res MAC printer
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 17:33:03 -0400
Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon
Nntp-Posting-Host: k.gp.cs.cmu.edu
Originator: [e-mail]
Lines: 7

Folks -

I want to print out Chinese characters with good resolution.  My 9-pin
Imagewriter II isn't clear enough.  I'd like to purchase another impact
printer with higher resolution.  For instance, I was told that a 24-pin
printer would do the job.  Any suggestions?

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