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Info-Mac Digest             Wed, 22 Jul 92       Volume 10 : Issue 176

Today's Topics:

      [*] About KFC 1.2
      "Burn My Mackintosh" Sound
      68881 or 68882
      Apple prices in Belgium, France and Germany (Q)
      A send/receive internet mailer for Mac - does it exist ? (R)
      Boomerang-like Shareware Available (R)
      Boston get-together
      Bundle bit weirdness, resolved!
      Burn My Mackintosh
      calc-w/paper-tape
      Checksum error -72 (Q)
      Classic II
      corrupted TidBITS files on sumex
      Custom Icons for Folders (Q)
      DAL, mainframe databases & a Mac front-end
      deadly hard drive death
      Displaying disk space in system 7 (R)
      Eudora and POP server
      File system updater (A)
      Font menu problem
      Fortran (here we go with another language debate!) (C)
      ftp binary files to PC -> Mac (A)
      HFS Easter Egg
      How to install a 68882 in a Classic II (Q)
      Internal modems for Powerbooks
      KERMIT with VT200 emulation
      Laserwriter utility?
      Looking for Font display procedure/init
      Mac-PC file exchange (Q)
      Mac LC Question (Q)
      MacX & the 3-button mouse (A)
      MacX & the 3-button mouse (Q)
      Mass conversion of RTF files to MS word format (A)
      Mulitple scripts in System 7
      Need help on choosing a 100-120 MB HD (A)
      Possible problems with DiskLight
      postscript header (C)
      Problems with MathType 2.11
      Problem with mcvert 1.80 (Q)
      Questions on White Knight(C)
      re AAA AMAZING!!! (Correction)
      Refilling HP Double Capacity Ink Cartridges
      SAM T4 virus defs file difficulties
      shar files
      Statistica/Mac: Any experiences w/this s/w?
      Stock/bond/options quotes (A)
      Stock listings (A)
      Stone age software (C)
      Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco! (3 msgs)
      Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco! (C) (2 msgs)
      System 7 manuals
      The Quayle Season movie
      Two FAQs
      What is wrong with my Mac? (R) (2 msgs)
      Where can I find the stock market?(A)

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 92 2:39:15 WST
From: [e-mail] (mr80)
Subject: [*] About KFC 1.2

About KFC(Kung Fu Chivalry) 1.2

Here is KFC verion 1.2! Following is the author's words:

--

First of all, you'll hear a good news. Kung-Fu Chivalry 1.2 provides a
new suprising feature to let you create your own Kung Fu animation. In
other words, not only you can watch the Demo files. But also you can record
your playing trail. Enjoy it !!!

    --------------
    KFC 1.2 Guide
    --------------
      This is a Microsoft Word Document that including all Kung Fu in
      KFC.

    ------------------
    Complete KFC 1.2
    ------------------
    A complete KFC 1.2 includes:

    %KFC
      Read me first
      TeachText
      KFC 1.2 Guide
      %Kung-Fu Chivalry f
        K01EN.f--K28EN.f
        DARTSBitmapfile
        Dart File
        K1MA.f
        K2MA.f
        KFC.rsrc
        Room Data
        Kung-Fu Chivalry (v1.2)
      %Demo Files
        Demo 01 -- Demo 06  ( Demo 07,08 are buggy )
      %More Demo Files
        Demo 09 -- Demo 16

    Notice that Demo 01 -- Demo 06 are same as those in Initial Version.

    ---------------
    Realease Notes
    ---------------
    Initial Version         :    February'1992
    Version 1.0             :    February, Improve some Bugs
    Version 1.0.1           :    February, Improve the un-smooth
                    actions of Ing-Ger Wur
    Version 1.0.2           :    March, Kill some Bugs
    Version 1.1             :    June, Provide an immature RECORD feature
    Version 1.2             :    June, Provide a complete  RECORD feature

==========================================================================

And sorry for users with two monitors. KFC 1.2 still not working normal
with two monitors. The author, Albert Lin, apologies for that. He is in
army service now. He has no time and equipment to fix the bug. In Taiwan,
every man older than 20 has to go to army for 2 years. So any further
version of KFC is not  possible until 2 years later.

Any comment, bug report, suggestion, and the best, appreciation is welcome
and  please e-mail it to me, Yir-Jang Wur. As a good friend of Albert Lin,
I handle  these things for Albert Lin.

Have fun with KFC 1.2 !

 Yir-Jang Wur
 Institute of Computer Science
 NTHU. Taiwan. ROC
 e-mail:        [e-mail]



p.s.    For your convience, I mail two archives to sumex. One is update files,
    for those who have already download KFC 1.0. This archive is named
    "Update_KFC_to_1.2.hqx".
        The other one is complete KFC 1.2 for those new
        to KFC, it is named
    "Kung_Fu_Chivalry_1.2.hqx"


[Archived as /info-mac/game/kung-fu-chivalry-12.hqx; 3000K
         /info-mac/game/kung-fu-chivalry-12-updater.hqx; 600K]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 8:33:38 EDT
From: Tom Coradeschi <[e-mail]>
Subject: "Burn My Mackintosh" Sound

[e-mail] (Mike Hennahane) writes:
>[e-mail] writes:
>
>>While listening to a new release of an old Count Basie
>>(that's jazz, for you younger readers) recording from
>>1937, I heard the announcer say, "O mother, burn my
>>mackintosh" after a particularly hot number.  At first
>>I was quite startled, then I remembered that a mackintosh
>>was a raincoat made from rubberized cloth, and is spelled
>>differently than our favorite computer.
>
>mackintosh (sp?) is a brand name of stereo; it is all tubes for those
>who hate solid state and think that tubes are the only thing that can
>accurately reproduce an analog waveform. it is likely that the
>announcer was talking about this instead of the raincoat...

nope. makintosh makes some mid-fi audio equipment. the mackintosh
referred to is a raincoat. the tube vs solid state issue didn't exist
in 1937, since the transistor hadn't yet been invented!

        tom coradeschi    <+>    [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 03:27:51 EDT
From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: 68881 or 68882

What's the difference between 68881 and 68882 math coprocessors?
Is one cheaper than the other?  What does IIsi need or use?

Tim

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:51 MET
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Apple prices in Belgium, France and Germany (Q)

Dear Net,

I am interested in knowing the discount prices of Mac's in the countries
around the Netherlands, e.g. Belgium, France and Germany. (Mac's in the
Netherlands are terribly expensive.) Any information on basic machine
prices excluding monitors, video cards etc. is greatly appreciated.

Daniel van Kraalingen, [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:43:49 -0500
From: Steve Ebstein <[e-mail]>
Subject: A send/receive internet mailer for Mac - does it exist ? (R)

>Now apparently there is another app like FTPd that runs in the background and
>fields mail messages, and sends them.  Anyone know of such an app or other
>way of receiving/sending internet mail directly from the Mac ?

LeeMail (shareware) does Internet mail directly to/from the Mac. Eudora
(freeware) will mail directly to the Internet but you need an account on
a POP server to receive mail. The logic is that you may not want to leave
your Mac on all the time.  Mail comes to the POP server that is always on
and you can retrieve it at your leisure. Both programs are in the info-mac
archives.

Steve Ebstein    [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:43:54 +0300
From: [e-mail] (Akif Eyler)
Subject: Boomerang-like Shareware Available (R)

Boomerang-like Shareware:

One answer is DFaultD by Jon Gotow, $20 shareware.
(Mentioned in an earlier issue of TidBITS)

Akif Eyler
Bilkent University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:16:19 -0400
From: "Alan D. Danziger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Boston get-together

In comp.sys.mac.digest you write:
>On Mon, 20 Jul 1992 21:53:53 -0600 you said:
>>I would like to know who will attend the MacWorld Expo in Boston.
>>We will be in Boston sunday night, monday and tuesday morning and
>>if some of you would like to participate in a little get-together,
>>it would be fun.

>My registration material says MacWorld is TUESDAY through Friday.  If
>you leave Tuesday morning, you won't see much of MacWorld :-(

>I'm planning to wander through the exhibits on Wednesday and Friday (I
>leave close enough to "commute").  I'll look around and see if I can
>find some appropriately obvious UConn stick on of some kind (perhaps I
>should stick another copy of my electronic mug shot in the archives?)

I'll probably be there the first few days...  One day per hall, and
then one day to cover whatever I missed due to sore feet. *grin*  I'll
be wearing my TidBITS button! ;)

    -=Alan

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 22:23 EST
From: ROBERT_BROCKMAN <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bundle bit weirdness, resolved!

> I had the same problem with the Word 5 plug-ins. I solved my problem
> (ie. lost icons when i rebuilt desktop) the following way.
> The new files have much the same resources EXCEPT for the creator
> resources that the desktop needs. The Grammar plug-in's creator or
> owner resource is "WDGE" and the Spelling plug in's is "WDSE".  Using
> ResEdit I copied these resources from the original files and pasted them
> into the new ones. After I saved changes and went back to the finder I
> had my icons (and associated ones) back. Even works now on a rebuild.
> Someone should do a re-post with the associated resources there.
>
> NOTE: My icons (from the archive copy) were fine up until I did a desktop
>       rebuild.
>                      Hope this helps .... I'm sending this to you
>                                           direct. Like to know if it
>                                           works for you.
>
> Paul McCord,   [e-mail]  or  [e-mail]

Yes! You're right, and that did it! Thank you very much, and thanks also to
the
other folks who offered their ideas and suggestions!

Robert Brockman, aka [e-mail]  or  [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:26:17 -0400
From: Bob Shields <[e-mail]>
Subject: Burn My Mackintosh

"[e-mail] (Mike Hennahane)" writes:

>[e-mail] writes:
>
>>While listening to a new release of an old Count Basie
>>(that's jazz, for you younger readers) recording from
>>1937, I heard the announcer say, "O mother, burn my
>>mackintosh" after a particularly hot number.  At first
>>I was quite startled, then I remembered that a mackintosh
>>was a raincoat made from rubberized cloth, and is spelled
>>differently than our favorite computer.
>
>mackintosh (sp?) is a brand name of stereo; it is all tubes for those
>who hate solid state and think that tubes are the only thing that can
>accurately reproduce an analog waveform. it is likely that the
>announcer was talking about this instead of the raincoat...
>
>--mike

Reality check here: was the Mackintosh "stereo" company around early enough
to become a popular name by 1937?  Somehow, I doubt it...

According to Webster's: "mack'in-tosh [After Charles Macintosh (1766-1843),
the inventor.]  a) A waterproof outer garment.  b) The cloth from which
mackintoshes are made."

Also, from the Beatle's "Penny Lane": "...and the banker never wears a
mack/in the poring rain/very strange..."  I doubt he was supposed to carry
a stereo receiver during thunderstorms...

My gut feeling is that NORTON is correct.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 18:17:27 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Chris Forden)
Subject: calc-w/paper-tape

>Is there a simple, non-scientific, calculator DA (freeware,
>shareware) which offers a bit more than the standard Mac
>calculator? The main thing I miss about the standard Mac offering
>is the lack of a "paper tape" which means that you can't check the
>keying-in of lists of figures. Otherwise a simple memory facility
>and easy percentages are all I need.

 My shareware program, Real Answer, offers a "paper-tape" like
feature that has even more functionality than that of a typical
calculator.  Expressions are entered into its window in algebraic
form;  written out horizontally on a line rather than vertically.
That makes it easy to tell at a glance where one calculation ends and
the next begins.  Text-based entry in a standard Mac window allows
easy editing of your expression should you hit the wrong key or
change your mind mid-way through.   Real Answer's  "paper-tape" also
offers a very unique ability;  you can modify a previously calculated
expression and then press "enter" to get the modified version copied
to the bottom of the text window, its answer printed out below it,
and the original, unmodified version of the expression restored in
its place on the paper-tape history, above its original answer.  Real
Answer does not directly print, but its paper-tape history is easily
copied to the clipboard and from there to any text editor or word
processor that can print it out.

Real Answer facilitates memory of values by allowing values to be
assigned to named variables.  It works well with VM and 32 bit
addressing and old and new Macs.  It has trig and transcendental
functions but not percentage keys nor FV, nor PV.  Real Answer is not
a DA, but with Multifinder(tm) or System 7(tm, both Apple Computer),
that shouldn't matter;  you can decrease its partition to 150K.   It
is available by anonymous ftp from:
sumex-aim.stanford.edu   as: info-mac/app/real-answer-10.hqx
or
mac.archive.umich.edu  as:  ./etc/demo/realanswer1.0.cpt.hqx
or, if you can't get it with ftp, send me Email and I will Email it
to you.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 14:53 EDT
From: "DAVID A. BELSLEY" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Checksum error -72 (Q)

Mostly my experience with floppies that produce a checksum error (-72)
shows them to be unrepairable by simple means (such as reformatting).
And when you do attempt to reformat such a disk, it is typically either
rejected or subjected to a lengthy "Re-verification" by the formatting
routine.  In this context, I have two questions

1.  Occasionally these disks reformat without re-verification and no
longer show a checksum error under diagnosis.  How reliable is such a
disk?  Can it really be trusted?

2.  More often, however, these disks, after re-verification, are "accepted"
by the formatter, but, under diagnosis continue to show a checksum error.
What the heck does this mean?  How can the formatting routine appear to
accept a disk that still shows diagnostic errors?  It has certainly been
my experience that these disks are not reliable.  They may work for a
short while, but are soon giving verification errors.

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Date: Sun, 21 Jun 92 19:32:03
From: [e-mail] (Dieder)
Subject: Classic II

>From: "Dr. Christoph van Wuellen"
><[e-mail]>
>Subject: Classic upgrade
>
>Me too, I have upgraded Classic --> Classic II.
>The strongest argument for this path is that you get a true 68030 Apple
>computer. Upgrading a classic any other way just gives you a MacClassic
>which is fast, but it does not give you a 'genuine' 68030 machine:
>- since the Classic ROMs remain, the OS tells the software it is a
>  68000 machine
>- you also do not get Color Quickdraw (for the same reason).
>
>So the question really is: do you want to have a fast Classic or do you
>want to have a 'real' 68030 Macintosh?
>C.v.W.

That's the first time I've ever considered a Mac Classic II to be a real 68030
Macintosh. I'd call it a major blooper. Apple has yet to release any new Mac
that comes anywhere near the convenience and power of its SE/30. Until it does
so, I wouldn't even suggest to people to get a Classic II. It doesn't even
have
a built-in FPU, or a standard PDS slot! True, you can expand it, but what
choices you do have are much more limited than if you had an SE/30, or any
other
real Mac II. Classic II and the Mac II series have only a few things in
common,
the Apple logo, and the 'II' in their name.

Biasedly (!)

Dieder

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:45:22 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: corrupted TidBITS files on sumex

Hi All,

It appears that something went wrong with the uploading of the back
issues of TidBITS to sumex (for the second time), so don't bother
with getting them, I'll replace them in a bit, but since my hard drive
is toast, I've got more important things on my mind at the moment.
The files are safe off on floppy though, so it will happen again...

later ... Adam C. Engst, TidBITS Editor

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:15:26 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Martin Josso)
Subject: Custom Icons for Folders (Q)

 Following up on the posting about FireCracker Icons a few issues back,I am
unable to create custom folder icons without using the "get info" method.
I name a file containing an Icon familly "Icon", give the icons ID =
-16455, delete creator and type, and make the file invisible. I then check
the "use custom Icon" for the folder containing the icon file, uncheck
"inited" and save everything. The custom icon does not appear.
By the way, I have noticed that the name of the icon file created with the
"Get Info" method seems to contain invisible characters after the word
Icon. However, even if I use copy and paste to include those characters
when I rename the invisible incon file, nothing happens.  What am I
missing?

Martin Josso
[e-mail]

P.S.  The problem I reported earlier with the Quayle Movie was due to the
use of XferIt to transfer the large file in Macbinary mode. Telnet did the
job fine.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:22:41 EDT
From: [e-mail] (David Kopper)
Subject: DAL, mainframe databases & a Mac front-end

I ported DAL to the Data General Eclipse MV and I have some documentation
around still... lets see what I can dig up.

First, DAL has at least several communication models: AppleTalk(ADSP),
TCP/IP, 3270, IAC, DECNet, APPC and async.  Some servers only support a
particular subset of the protocols.  There are at least three VAX DAL
servers available.  The majordifferences are the supported database
managers, the communications protocols.  Here's a table:

Supported Databases             Supported Network       From
Ingres, Informix, ORACLE        ADSP, Async             Apple Computer (APDA)
 Sybase, Rdb
Rdb                             ADSP                    Digital (PATHWORKS)
CA-DB                           TCP/IP, DECnet          Computer Associates

Note: Some of these servers may require more than just the DAL server
product.  The Data General product I worked on required OpenMac which
provided ADSP support.


On to the Macintosh side.  Here is a list of some of the software that
supports DAL:  DataPrism (Brio Technology),  GQL (Andyne Computing),
  ClearAccess (Fairfield Software),  Lotus 1-2-3,  Microsoft Excel,
  Wingz,  Full Impact,  GeoQuery,  Atlas Pro,  Tactician,  HyperCard,
  SuperCard,  4th DIMENSION,  Omnis 7,  FoxBASE+/Mac,  Prograph,  MPW C,
  MPW Object Pascal,  Think C,  NEXPERT Object,  HyperX.

I worked with DataPrism (a pretty slick graphical data browser),
ClearAccess (Another data browser, but allows user scripts and links to
other applications like Wingz and HyperCard),  Excel (it works, but it
hurt to use... I tried revs 3.0 and 4.0),  Wingz (doesn't support system
7 with DataLink - the addon that you need to get DAL support... They are
working on the next Wingz rev so this may eventually get fixed... I'd avoid
Wingz for now, or use ClearAccess to get data into Wingz).  4th DIMENSION
is pretty great by itself, adding its DAL extension is interesting in that
you have to bind the columns of the server table into a 4D table and it'll
retrieve the whole table.  I'd recommend ClearAccess and HyperCard with
DataPrism as yet another browser (I had some grief with DataPrism which is
why I liked it as a backup browser).

What do you need as far as system software goes?  System 7.0.1 has a DAL
extension that includes ADSP and Async.  I believe you might need MacTCP
to work across ethernet (although the details are getting fuzzy for me now).

Good Luck!

  Dave Kopper        Internet: [e-mail]
               or: [e-mail]
Apple II Forever!       GEnie: D.Kopper

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:16:57 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Adam C. Engst)
Subject: deadly hard drive death

Forward of letter <[e-mail]> from [e-mail] (Adam C.
Engst):

Sigh.

At 11:00 AM Pacific Time, our power went out. At 11:00:01, our power
when back on. At 11:00:02, the power went back off. At 12:05 the power
came back on for good.

The casualty: one 105 MB hard disk. I've spent the rest of the day
trying to create a working 40 MB SyQuest from two other SyQuest backup
disks. Files in the last week have been lost, with the exception,
of the copy for TidBITS#134, which should be on a floppy at Tonya's
work. I don't know when it will come out yet. All mailfiles in the
last month have been lost, which is only a problem if I hadn't replied
to something you sent me. Please resend if it was important - I've
got a ton of work to do recovering.

We'll be back up and running soon, and we did have Safeware Insurance,
and they claimed they would replace the drive. Unfortunately, it was
only two months out of warranty from APS.

All this because some ass got drunk and drove into an electric pole.

I am seriously unhappy at the moment.

later.... -Adam

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:22:01 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Steve Chiu)
Subject: Displaying disk space in system 7 (R)

David Tillinghast asked how to display disk space info in
"K's" (e.g., 5,981K) and not "M's" (e.g., 5.8M) in system 7.
This is a rather arcane procedure and is explanined in an article
named "Fun with System 7 Finder" in the info-mac archive, along with
several other useful tips.  An excerpt from the article follows.

-Stephen Chiu
Rockwell International Science Center

*** Excerpt from "Fun with System 7 Finder" ***

Launch ResEdit and open your copy of the Finder. Open the CODE resources.
Click once on resource number 23. Go to the Resource menu and select the
"Open Using Hex Editor..." item (don't double-click on it since you
might have a fancy CODE template installed in your ResEdit, which would
make the next step possibly impossible [don't tell my old English teacher
that I said that]).  Click Yes  if it asks if you want to decompress the
resource.

Use "Find Offset..." to go to offset 18E. You should see
    0C86 0010 0000 6500 0082. If you don't, don't continue.

Change the 6500 to 6000. That is, change:
    0C86 0010 0000 6500 0082   to:
    0C86 0010 0000 6000 0082

Quit ResEdit, saving your changes. All this patch does is change a conditional
branch to an unconditional one. In other words, whereas the Finder used to
say,  "If the amount of space available is more than one meg, display in M;
otherwise, display in K," it now says, "If the amount of space available is
more than one meg, uhm, display in K." Trust me; it really says that. Listen
closely next time.

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Date: 22 Jul 1992 15:27:41 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Eudora and POP server

In digest V10 #174 [e-mail] (Rick Jarvis) asked about
installing a POP server for Eudora:
If you got Eudora you got a readme with it that says where yoou cam get the
Popper. Included in that package is a readme explaining how to intall it.
It is not a lot of work (about 10 minutes). I did it myself and I am not a
great unix wizard.
Cas Meijer

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:17:19 EST
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kauffman)
Subject: File system updater (A)

On Thu, 16 ul 1992 Anders jelm wrote:

<stuff deleted>
AH> What I'm looking for is a program that compares two volumes and
AH> updates the oldest versions of the files, regardless of which
AH> unit it is that has the oldest file. With such a program I can do
AH> some work, connect the machines via LocalTalk or AppleTalk Remote
AH> Access and update to the mos recent version on both disk. Then
AH> I can continue the work from the other machine without noticing
AH> any difference.
<stuff deleted>

You have just described Zync. The latest version I have is 1.0a4. I got
mine from American Online (or was it GEnie??). Sorry, but I don't know if
it is available anywhere on Internet. At least you now know that what you are
looking for does exist. Good luck in tracking it down from Sweden.
----
ProLine:  jimk@pro-scat
Internet: [e-mail]
UUCP:     crash!pro-scat!jimk

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:24:16 EDT
From: Mike Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Font menu problem

Can anyone tell me how you can get fonts in various applications that do
not appear in the system file?  These were also not installed in the
application.  Some time ago I installed Adobe fonts (Helvetica, courier, etc.)
that came with an earlier version of ATM.  I have since trashed those bitmap
and printer fonts.  Actually I removed all fonts from the system file
except geneva, monaco, and chicago.  However, in my applications I still
get fonts appearing in the menus like B Helvetica, BI Courier, etc.  Another
thing that strikes as odd is that the size of my System file did not
decrease after removing a lot of fonts.

I tried reinstalling the system but the fonts still appear.  Any suggestions.
(p.s. I am using System 7.0)    You can respond to the list or directly.
[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 21:56:44 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Fortran (here we go with another language debate!) (C)

I just can't resist it. I do *everything* with fortran, because I do a lot
of scientific computation as part of my job. Fortran on a Mac makes LOTS of
sense, because the performance of high-end Macs overlaps with the speed of
machines like VAX. I just love having a "VAX" on my desk, or even, in my
lap!

Also, if you want to see that fortran is not so bad for many things, look at
the fine series "Numerical Recipes". That book comes in fortran, pascal and
C flavors. The first chapter of each version is a discussion of the flaws of
the language being used to implement the algorithms. I looked at the C and
pascal books and said, "No way". Fortran, especially with the fortran 90 or
VAX fortran additions (structures!!) ain't so bad.

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Date: Wednesday, 22 July 1992 2:17am CT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: ftp binary files to PC -> Mac (A)

>2) A friend can only download to PCs. Then he uses Apple File Exchange
>to transfer the files and then unbinhexes, etc. Now, he wishes to
>access an FTP site that has everything in binary. This sounds like
>a familiar topic, but its not among the stuff frrom the list I saved
>about data transfer. Is there  an AFE translator? Thanks, Pete

Two differences between the procedures:
On the PC, after invoking ftp, set mode to binary.
(Download and translate files via AFE as usual).
Use MacBinary to extract files.

Cheers - Shekhar.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 14:30:32 -0700
From: Jon Pugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: HFS Easter Egg

This is so amusing!


=====================================

I have discovered an obscure Easter Egg in the System 7 implementation of
HFS.

When the Macintosh requests a disk because it's off-line, there is
provisions for displaying a hidden message.

Try it !! rename a diskette exactly to:   KMEG JJ KS
         (this is 8 uppercase letters and 2 spaces)

Eject the diskette (with command-E) so that you have a grayed icon of it on
the desktop. Now click on something in the diskette and watch the requestor
dialog box. Oh well, it's only a message...


Question: who are dnf and ksct ?
Difficult problem: what's the name of their diskette ?


Francois Grieu - July 19, 1992

Author: FRA0003

===================================

Hi Francois,

Congratulations - you have not only found the HFS easter egg in system 7,
you've managed to do it in a way only vaguely imagined by the author of the
egg.

To answer your questions, dnf and ksct are David N. Feldman and Kenny S.C.
Tung, the two Apple Engineers responsible for the extensions to HFS under
System 7.  The name of their disk is a bit less complicated than you make it
out to be.  You see, that string ("HFS for 7.0 by dnf and ksct") is
triggered off of a checksum of the disk name.  The intended disk name is
"Like Wow Man. HFS For 7.0!" (the space after the period is an option space,
just to be arbitrary)  Your string, "KMEG JJ KS" just happens to have the
same checksum, so is greeted with the same message.

When I wrote the patch at Apple, I wondered (ever so briefly) what the
chances of a collision in the checksum space were.  You have answered the
question. For your interest, check out the code hanging off the pointer at
$3EA in lomem. You should quickly catch the inocuous subroutine call which
calculates the checksum.

David N. Feldman,
Director of Research and Development
Specular International

Author: SPECULAR

=======================================

Hi David

Thanks for your kind answer, and relieving my curiosity.
Here is more on the checksum algorithm, and how I found this Easter Egg.

As you may recall, the checksum algorithm zeroes D1, then does
    ADD.B   (A0)+,D1    ;add new byte from disk name
    ROL.L   #3,D1       ;spread it around
for each character in the disk name, and finaly tests D1 against $7609F56D.

The chances that a random name (over 10 chars long) matches the checksum is
about one in 4000 million. Assuming a disk name per day per 10 million users
for 5 years, the odds are that about 4 names would trigger the recognition.
In practice, it's even less likely, for people tend to choose short names
and the shortest name that matches is 9 characters long, or 10 restricting to
usual characters.

As a matter of fact, I didn't find the string "KMEG JJ KS" by mere chance;
rather, I happened to break into the debugger at a location close to the
checksum code, and got my eye caught by the CMPI.L #$7609F56D,D1.
I took that as a late week-end puzzle. I found how it was called, and wrote
a small program to construct matching strings.

The program uses a simple heuristic varying the string (replacing wildcards
in a template with characters taken from a choosen set) to minimise the bit
distance with the checksum. The program finds matches within fraction of a
second, because two nearly identical names tend to make nearly identical
checksums.

"KMEG JJ KS"  is just a short, reasonably mnemonic string out the production.
Other names that trigger the Easter Egg include  "8KW HZ ME" and
"Hello world JS N A DTP".

Using my algorithm, it's nearly impossible I could ever reconstruct
"Like Wow Man. HFS For 7.0!", especialy with the option-space after the .


Francois Grieu - July 22, 1992
Chief corporate egghunter

Author: FRA0003

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:38 MET
From: [e-mail]
Subject: How to install a 68882 in a Classic II (Q)

Dear Net,

A friend of mine is considering purchase of a coprocessor for a Classic II.
Is there a special place for it on the motherboard or does it have to be
piggybacked on the 68030 ? In other words, how difficult is it for a
non-Apple technician to install a coprocessor in this machine ?

Daniel van Kraalingen, [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:49:21 EDT
From: "Christine A. Gaca" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Internal modems for Powerbooks

I am going to be purchasing a Powerbook 140 very soon and would like to
hear from anyone who has things to say about various non Apple internal
modems available.  I would like at least 2400 baud and MNP5.  Does anyone
have actual experience to share about Powerbook to cellular hookup?

A reply either to me personally or to the listserv would be appreciated.

- Christine G.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 18:41 CDT
From: Bobbie Ferrell 817-898-3284 <[e-mail]>
Subject: KERMIT with VT200 emulation

Does anyone know of a version of Kermit for the Mac which supports VT200 or
220
terminal emulation and which is available via anonymous FTP?

Please send replies to:

Bitnet:         FERRELL@TWU
Internet:       [e-mail]

    _______
       /_     _\
      / O     O \
   _ /\    o    /\ _
   \/  \  \_/  /  \/
    '-----'

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:53:09 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Laserwriter utility?

On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 16:22:43 MDT you said:
>I was wondering if anyone has anyone has downloaded a file from ftp.apple.com
a
>file called laserwriter-utility.  If so, what does it do, and is it worth the
>effort?

If you don't already have it, it has lots of features the older
utilities don't--and one glitch (not worthy of being called a bug).  The
command to display the number of pages printed (rather than wasting a
page to find out) adds a zero on the end (ten times the actual number of
pages).

There's a newer version of the utility (without the glitch) that has
support for the newer LaserWriters (but works with the older ones) in
dts/mac/sys.soft/imaging/plw-ntr-install-image.hqx.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 23:50:37 EST
From: "Terence R. Slywka" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Looking for Font display procedure/init

Is there any way to display the type styles of various fonts within
the pull down font menus of various programs.  For example, when you
pull down the Font menu the word Geneva will be displayed in Geneva type
and Symbol will be written in symbol type, etc.  Please reply to me
directly.  Thanks

TSLYWKA@IUBACS
[e-mail]

Terence Slywka
Indiana University

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:28:48 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Sam Tan)
Subject: Mac-PC file exchange (Q)

[e-mail] writes:

>Subject:    Mac-PC file exchange (Q)
>Has anyone tried to use Syquest cartridges to transfer files between Macs
>and PCs?  In other words, does Apple File Exchange or AccessPC work with
>Syquest catridges that are formatted on IBM machines?

>Robert Brenstein   [e-mail]

Only AccessPC 2.0 and above will allow you to convert Syquest cartridges from
PC to Mac format. Apple File Exchange and Mac PC Exchange only work with the
disk drive.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:28:42 EDT
From: ZMEG000 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mac LC Question (Q)

     A friend of mine has a mac LC. He is running system
6.0.7. Everything is fine when he is in finder, but when he
switches to multi-finder...The first application opens fine.
Then the next application comes up and says:
"Sorry, FPU not installed." He says that this happens no
matter what program he is trying to open. Anyone else had this
problem? Sorry, I did not get his memory configuration from him.
I think it is a 2/40. Could be a problem, but what a wierd error.
Thanks.
Take care,
    Mike
    [e-mail]
    or [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:51:22 -0400
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacX & the 3-button mouse (A)

In 10-175, Mel Martinez (Hi, Mel) ponders how to simulate a three-button
mouse to use with his Mac X software. He says:

>The PREFERRED way for simulating the three buttons would be like so:
>
>left (Select) button    =       mouse button
>middle (Adjust) button  =       mouse button + option key
>right (Menu) button     =       mouse button + command key
>
>Since the option and command keys are mac-specific keys, this seems very
>natural, and on most mac key boards would not require moving the left hand.

and suggests that a macro like QuicKeys might do the trick.

QuicKeys can't do it--and I doubt any other macro editor will either.
Pressing the mouse button down, of course, constitutes a click at the
cursor location. QuicKeys will allow you to do an ordinary click, an option
click, a command click, and a control click--and it will allow you to put
such clicks in a sequence and make them single clicks, double clicks,
triple clicks. or whatever. (We've got plenty of numbers...)  But it makes
the assumption that the purpose of such a click is to trigger some screen
action at the specific clicked location relative to the window you're in or
the screen as a whole, not as an alias for some action regardless of
location. I don't think that's unreasonable.

There is a solution, though. The best way to simulate a three-button mouse
on a Macintosh is by way of a real three-button mouse. Logitech makes one,
called MouseMan. It comes with MouseKey software that lets you define what
the buttons accomplish and I believe that Mel's use can be configured with
it. (I don't have the product, so check that out before buying, Mel. I'm
just guessing from a review I read in my local users group bulletin.)



Jeff Needleman  <[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 07:47:53 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Erik A. Johnson)
Subject: MacX & the 3-button mouse (Q)

[e-mail] writes:
>The one thing I do not like is the way Mac X simulates the middle and
>rightmost buttons of a three-button mouse.
>[...]
>The PREFERRED way for simulating the three buttons would be like so:
>left (Select) button    =       mouse button
>middle (Adjust) button  =       mouse button + option key
>right (Menu) button     =       mouse button + command key
>
>Now, the question is:  How to accomplish this?
>[...]
>Is it possible to use QuickKeys to intercept a mouseclick+modifier and send a
>key or keys to the application?  That is, can QuickKeys be set so that

Hmmm...I've used QuicKeys for a while now, and I don't think that QuicKeys
can capture clicks.  It captures keys (and can translate them into just
about anything, including <modifiers>+clicks).

The solution we finally ended up going for was just buying a 3-button mouse.
The prices aren't too bad ($75-$85) range.  We got a Logitech MouseMan and
have had some problems with the MacX compatiblity ... the middle and right
mouse buttons function properly, but <modifier>+<middle mouse button> and
<modifier>+<right mouse button>, such as the control-middle and control-right
combinations to bring up VT and Font menus on an xterm, don't work ... they
send just the mouse clicks, filtering out any modifiers.  Logitech claims
to be working on a fix, but we just got an upgrade on the software, and it
still isn't working correctly.  (!@*$$@@!!*##!)

Some others have suggested the Advanced Gravis 3-button mouse as fully MacX
compatible (but I have no experience with it, so your mileage may vary).

Erik.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:03:21 -0400
From: Jeffrey L. Needleman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Mass conversion of RTF files to MS word format (A)

In 10-175, Shih Tung asks how to convert a batch of RTF files to MS Word
format.

Two methods occur to me off-hand. If you have MacLink Plus/PC by DataViz,
use the desktop mode to do a Mac-to-Mac transfer. Put all the RTF files in
one folder, select them all, and output the translated files to a new
folder. MacLink will do the conversion to Word format without a hitch in
batch mode and will preserve file names too.

That's the easiest method--if you have the program. If not, you can put
together a macro that will handle the conversion in the same way you're
handling it now. The problem with your current method is that Word opens
the converted file as untitled, so you have to remember its original name
and fill that in to save it back over the original after conversion. Let
the Mac remember that for you. Select the file in the finder, do a
command-C to copy the name of the file to the Clipboard, then just paste
the name back in after conversion in the "Save as" dialog box. There's
nothing in the conversion routine that will alter the clipboard, so the
right name will be there when you need it.

Jeff Needleman  <[e-mail]>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:09:12 +0300
From: [e-mail] (Akif Eyler)
Subject: Mulitple scripts in System 7

> From what I vaguely recall, you can copy foreign language scripts
> and keyboard layouts to an English System 7 file and it should be
> able to handle them in some way.

Questions about mixed script systems are appearing more and more.
The idea is to mix two or more scripts in one system, like Roman
(left to right) and Hebrew or Arabic (right to left). Here is a
summary of my experiments on this topic.

I started with System 7.0.1 (international version) and added the
following:
   Arabic extension     (Extension with a crescent icon)
   Arabic script        (Document with a world icon)
   Arabic keyboard      (Document with a keyboard icon)
   Font Al Qahirah      (FOND id 17920, same as the ones above)
All of these can be dragged into the System folder, the first will
go into the extensions folder, the rest into the System suitcase.
Make sure that you do this after shift-restart and no applications
open.

(Caution: make sure that all the additions described above are
taken from a recent system. System 6 components will NOT work.)

It works. My keyboard menu (between the help and application menus
on the top right corner) shows US, Turkish, and Arabic in two script
groups. Some applications are script-savvy, in that they change the
script depending on the document.

How about System 6? I had a similar arrangement, but it was much
more difficult to implement and to describe. Better forget about it.

Will this work under 7.0? It might. I didn't try.

Akif Eyler
Bilkent University
[e-mail]

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Date: WED, 22 Jul 92 00:37:56 EDT
From: "Louis_Bergeron"[e-mail]
Subject: Need help on choosing a 100-120 MB HD (A)

In Info-Mac, Wagner Truppel writes:

I'm looking for a hard disk drive with the following features:
- 100 to 120 MB capacity
- access time below 15 ms
- less than $ 500.00
- good mechanism (preferably Quantum)
- at least 2 year warranty

Any suggestions or recommendations? Is this an incompatible set of
requirements? Any help is appreciated. Please respond directly to me.

Thanks a bunch!!

Answer:
Just read MacWorld August 1992 for a full report on 120MB or less HD
Many drives look the same on paper reading the results from the many tests.
Best mechanism is Quantum.
Recommended drives: APS  External 105 MB and Mirror External 105 MB.

Also in that issue a very good report on Ehman Inc., the HD manufacturer
following the path of Jasmine. That company sold used HD for new ones as
confirmed by many employees. It's end was predicted my many competitors,
because he was selling too low. He started a prices war.
Do you remember the ads in which Michael Ehman himself was backing his
drives looking at you in the eyes? He looked so sincere and honest.

Louis Bergeron [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 00:57:31 CDT
From: Willi Wilkins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Possible problems with DiskLight

I have been able to reproduce random system freezes associated with the use of
a beta copy of an init called Drive Light. I obtained this init as a beta
tester
for Andrew Welch. I think this program became "Disk Light" or something
similar
in the MacTools package from Central Point Software. (I am positive about the
package, but not the name.) This program was mentioned by Mark Cornick in
issue
172 and may be the problem he is looking for. Obviously, I am (was) running a
beta version, but it was the last one before the program went golden. I am
releasing this text as FYI, not as gospel, so put your flamethrowers back
down.

/s [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 11:30:14 -0500
From: Steve Ebstein <[e-mail]>
Subject: postscript header (C)

>I should perhaps mention that I use dos-mounter to transform the ps file.
>That means that paragraphs are not translated into CRLFs. I assume this
>wouldn't be a problem, but who knows?

I print by sneakernetting PostScript files to an HP LaserJet III with
PostScript cartridge on a DOS machine. I use Apple File Exchange to write
the DOS disk. Doesn't matter whether I translate CR to CRLF or not (use
default translation or text translation, respectively) - I
still have to reset the printer to avoid getting mirrored output.

Perhaps a PostScript guru out there can tell us what code to append that
would reset the printer ?

Steve Ebstein    [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 08:42 MET
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Problems with MathType 2.11

Hi Netters,
two days ago I experienced problems with my MathType software. Im working on
scientific documents using system 7 including tuneup 1.1 ,
word 5 and MathType for the mathematical formula
editing. The occurring problem is, that when the MathType documents (including
just the formula subsequently pasted into the word documens) get too long,
the MathType window just blanks when entering a new command. By scrolling up
and down then subsequently the text can be made visible again, but when saving
this state, MathType creates a corrupted document, that is no longer
reloadable. The limit, when this fact occurs is at about a dozen complex
formulas. The problem seems to be no out-of-memory error, as "about MathType"
and "about this Macintosh" still show that MathType's assigned memory (800k)
is
used only to a very small amount. Any ideas? By the way I have 32 bit
adressing
on, as I'm working with rather long documents and a lot of graphics. Is it
possible, that MathType 2.11 is not 32bit clean?

Thanks for help                                         Jens
                            [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 12:40:31 -0500
From: Joseph F. Wagner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Problem with mcvert 1.80 (Q)

I just downloaded mcvert-180.shar from the archives and compiled it on my
Unix mainframe. Now, whenever I run it on a .hqx file to convert it to
MacBinary, I get the following error:
  last perror (may not be relevent): Unknown error 0
  mcvert: exiting
I saw this in the readme file but it didn't say what it meant or even if it
is supposed to happen. I didn't have any problems with version 1.70. Any
suggestions?

Joe

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:21:58 EST
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kauffman)
Subject: Questions on White Knight(C)

On Fri Jul 17 MG Fryer wrote:

MGF> I have two question regarding problems I've had with White Knight
MGF> (I'm using version 11.12).  First, when running the program under
MGF> System 7 the application quits every time I begin a ZMODEM
MGF> transfer >from a UNIX system (haven't tried it on other systems).
MGF> It just tells me the application suddenly quit.
MGF>
MGF> Second, no matter what umber I put in the auto-dial box, the
MGF> auto-dial won't go beyond about 11 dials.  After the 11th dial it
MGF> keeps cycling as if it is dialing, but doesn't.
MGF>
MGF> I might add that the first problem (quitting under System 7) does
MGF> not occur when I run WK with System 6.

Off hand, I'm not sure why you are having these problems. I have been using
White Knight under System 7 without experiencing these particular
difficulties, and I frequently do ZMODEM transfers, but not to UNIX
systems. I doubt if this has anything to do with it, but White Knight is up
to version 11.14. You should probably update on general principles.
----
ProLine:  jimk@pro-scat
Internet: [e-mail]
UUCP:     crash!pro-scat!jimk

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 15:29:33 -0700
From: Larry Rosenstein <[e-mail]>
Subject: re AAA AMAZING!!! (Correction)

>BeginUpDate     TB A922 7
>Given that the Finder was left *COMPLETELY* inactive, this is strange,
>anyway 7 of them will never slow down your Mac.

It is strange, especially if there were not 7 calls to EndUpdate.  Also, I
tried this on my PowerBook and got no calls to BeginUpdate (using Macsbug
to trap on BeginUpdate).  Perhaps your tool has a bug?

>BlockMove       OS A02E 260906
>Hmmm... I wonder why the Finder needs to move memory 57 times per
>second.

In my little test, BlockMove seems to be called from a variety of places.
It's a good way to move blocks of memory around, so that's not unusual.

>CurResFile      TB A994 182875
>But _WHY_ does it need to call CurResFile 40 times per second?!?!

There should also be an equivalent number of calls to UseResFile.  This
looks like defensive programming to me; the Finder is probably preserving
the current resource file around calls that may end up in external pieces
of code (like Control Panels).

>(BTW, did you know that there were the following traps?):
>DisableDogCow   TB A89F (not available)

A89F is the unimplemented trap.

>Now you know why your Mac Classic is so slow... maybe quitting the
>Finder speeds up a lot of things?

Just because certain traps are called frequently doesn't mean they are
taking up significant time.  You would need to record the time spent in
each trap to see if any are significant.

Also, even if the user isn't doing anything with the Finder, there are
legitimate things the Finder has to do.  For example, it scans the folders
being displayed to see if any of them have changed.

It would be interesting to quit the Finder and see if other apps run any
faster.  But I don't see how most drawing operations would speed up since
apps don't usually yield the CPU in the middle of drawing.  It might
improve the responsiveness of apps to input, if the Finder itself isn't
yielding the CPU fast enough, however.




Larry Rosenstein
Taligent, Inc.

[e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:31 CDT
From: [e-mail] (Greg Trimper)
Subject: Refilling HP Double Capacity Ink Cartridges

Refilling HP Double Capacity Cartridges.

If anyone has refilled the normal HP Ink cartridges, you know how easy and
reliable the procedure can be.  Well, I purchased one of the Double Capacity
cartridges after a normal cart that I had refilled 10 times physically died.
This was, to say the least, an adventure.

Took the empty cartridge out.  Noticed the case is a smoky clear plastic - it
appeared to be the normal black when full, due to the ink.  Inside, I could
see two air filled plastic pouches, one on either side.  On top, there are two
sealed openings: one on the upper left corner, and one in the center.  Here
is where it gets fun.  The left hand pouch is connected to the upper left
hole - puncture the left hole, the left pouch deflates.  The right hand pouch
is attached to the center hole.  Puncture the center hole, it deflates.  Big
deal, right?  Well, puncture either hole, start filling it with ink.  Look at
your hands (and pants, and the table that you forgot to cover with a towel,
as you were really comfortable with refilling the old catridges).  On the
bottom of the cart there is a circular inset, it has a spiral tube and a hole
to the outside.  If you puncture either bag, the ink comes out that hole in
the bottom.  HP has a message for you: RWe overengineer our ink cartridges to
INSURE that you canUt refill them.S

Ha!  But you can.  FIRST, before you do anything, take the empty cart, and
clean it up.  Take some gel superglue, and fill in the little indent/hole on
the bottom.  Put some strong, clear, thin packing tape over that.  NOW, and
only after sealing that hole, carefully punch a needle through the left hand
hole.  The plastic plug will probably fall in.  No big deal, the convienent,
now airless, plastic pouch will retain it.  Fill the cart with ink.  Take
some soft poster tack or putty and clog the hole - it needs to be airtight.
You are now the proud possessor of a refilled Double capacity ink cartridge.
BUT MAKE SURE YOU SEAL THAT BOTTOM HOLE!

This is an extremely dirty, expensive, and useless trick by HP.  This is the
first time that I have NOT been completely pleased with an HP product.  I am
going to make a call to them tommorow with my ink-stained fingers, which are
typing this message now.

Greg Trimper [e-mail], @edsi.plexus.com, [e-mail]
"The Man with the Ink Stained Hands"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 14:22:04 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Marvin Carlberg)
Subject: SAM T4 virus defs file difficulties

Attention SAM Users:


If you are experiencing any difficulties after updating your copy of SAM
for the T4 virus and its associated strains, please note that SAM's ability
to provide protection, detection, and repair via Virus Clinic, Intercept,
or Intercept Jr are not compromised or diminished in any way.

If your system satisfies all three of the following conditions, you may
experience errors when attempting to launch some applications.

    1) using SAM version 3.0.3 or earlier
AND
    2) using the latest SAM Virus Definitions file (7/8/92) or have added
       the T4-A/T4-B virus definition manually via Virus Clinic
AND
    3) running System 7 or MultiFinder under System 6

The specific errors include a -605 system error, -33 system error (only with
System 7 File Sharing enabled), an 'Unknown' system error, and a system freeze
or hang.  Please call technical support at 310-449-4990 from 7:00am - 5:00pm
Pacific time, Monday through Friday if it appears that this situation is
affecting your system.

Once again, please keep in mind that protection for all currently known
Macintosh viruses, including the T4 strains, is still very complete even if
you are having these difficulties.


Thank you,

Symantec

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:08:02 CDT
From: Willi Wilkins <[e-mail]>
Subject: shar files

There have been some questions asked by some of my fellow junior initiates on
how to deal with .shar files. I looked into this when trying to get the Z
modem package to run on the Unix box I am associated with. Some had suggested
the unshar program on the Mac, but I found that my best solution was to
leave my Unix files on the Ubox where they belong and deal with them in their
native environment. I used this syntax:

bloch% sh filename1.shar
bloch% sh filename2.shar
bloch% sh filenamen.shar

After all parts of the archive had been unshar'd, there was a makfile in the
directory. I believe I used syntax something like

bloch% make makefile

to get the thing constructed. After I was finished, the directory was littered
with bits of source code, etc. which I had to rm for neatness's sake, but I
had the file working. Zmodem on the Ubox really blows Kermit away!

In any case, this mail is long enough and undoubtedly has errors, but there is
little useful help for we novices, so this is my small contribution.

Disclaimer: listening to someone who admits they're not sure is your own fault

/s [e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1992 20:49 PST
From: "Wherever you go, there you are... 8)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Statistica/Mac: Any experiences w/this s/w?

Hi all.

I saw an ad in a recent MacWorld for a program called Statistica/Mac,
by StatSoft. It appears to be a more technically-oriented statistical analysis
program, that includes such engineering-related functions as Control charts,
process capability analysis and charts (Cp, Cpk, etc...) and other SPC
(Statistical Process Control) functions, as well as a bunch of other ANOVA
and MANOVA features.

Has anyone out there used this beast? How easy is it to use? Is it worth it?

I've read everyone's comments and magazine reviews for other statistical
programs (Statview II, DataDesk, JMP, SPSS, SAS), but I'm looking for
something
more technical-oriented for engineering and manufacturing control uses.

Specifically, I'm interested in the Control Charts, Process Capability, and
correlation-related applications.

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Phil Jung
Western Digital Corp.    8)

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1992 10:03:21 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Stock/bond/options quotes (A)

The recent replies to the "where to find stock prices" query may be
overkill.  Compuserve has a perfectly adequate stock and commodity
information service via "GO QUOTES".  You can get a wide variety of
information including historical pricing data without paying a premium
beyond normal connect charges.  If you want current information, you can
get the "Executive Option" and receive current or 20-minute-delay quotes.
You can also join one of the two online brokerage services and get both
price information and 24-hour 7-day trading (well, at least you can enter
orders all the time, the actual trades require the exchange to be open :-)
at deep discount versus a conventional broker.  If all you want is basic
price information on stocks, commodities, currency, etc, and don't need
instant quotes-of-the-minute, CompuServe is probably a best price bet.  BTW
I don't think QUOTES is part of the "fixed price" membership option.  I use
the "pay-as-you-go" option.

Paul Baim

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:07:08 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Sridar Narayanan)
Subject: Stock listings (A)

Hello!  There seems to be a lot of interest in this stock stuff, so
I'm posting this reply to the original poster.  Changes are in {}.
Bye the way, the original poster had a .ca (Canadian) address.

First, open an account at TD Green Line (a discount broker affiliated
with Toronto Dominion Bank).  Ask for infomation on MicroMax.  This
allows you to dial up and get ticker prices on stocks listed on the
TSE, ME, and VSE.  I'm not sure about the U.S. exchanges.  {Yes, they're
accessible.  Specify ticker and exchange, i.e. EK,N for Eastman Kodak,
New York.}  You can also execute trades electronically.  I just got the
software for my dad, but I haven't had time to try it out yet.  {This
trade execution feature is not yet implemented.}  {You can also
set up "Market Baskets" of selected stocks of interest, do some
stuff with options, etc.  I haven't checked it all out yet.  Most
importantly, you can track your own portfolios - latest prices and
market values, trade histories, status of pending trades, stop/loss
orders, etc.}

Cost:  There's no fee to open a Green Line account (that I remember),
and MicroMax has a one-time fee of $19.95, with a free 60 min connect
time {PER MONTH}.  After that, there is a charge (don't remember how much) but
I think it's only if you connect for more than a certain amount of time,
and you get extra free time for every trade you execute.  Unless you
like to just browse the stock prices without ever buying or selling, it's
essentially free after the initial fee.

There's one big drawback.  They only supply software for PCs and Mac's
"running DOS".  Bleah!  Luckily, I still have my old XT kicking around,
so I use that.  If you have SoftPC, you'll be okay;  you're limited by
modem speed anyway.  Still, suggest that they release a native Mac
version.  {You can get it to work using a general purpose comm package
with a VT102 emulator on a Mac.  There's a bit more setup involved,
but if you have scripting, that's no problemo.  A 1-800 tech support
line is available from 8:00 - 22:00 EST/EDT (Toronto) time.}

Sridar

P.S.  Listings are updated every 15 min.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 09:39:54 +0300
From: [e-mail] (Akif Eyler)
Subject: Stone age software (C)

In Info-Mac #174:
> They are usually quite comfortable running
> MacWrite on their 512K Macs

Of course they are! If that configuration solves their problem,
what is the reason for spending more on hardware or software?

> Clearly cases of piracy.

Please do not rush making such conclusions.

In this context, let me report that a 1985 model MacDraw, designed
for the original Mac with no name and the original system with no
number, still works under System 7 in IIsi and others. I would call
this _real_ compatibility. Thus, I wasn't forced to upgrade, since
its features were already too many for my needs. (However, this
might be not so desirable for the producer, considering all possible
future upgrades.)

Akif Eyler
Bilkent University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:53:45 EST
From: Murph Sewall <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco!

On Tue, 21 Jul 1992 08:32:42 -0600 you said:
>We use a program called RevRdist to manage the hard drives in our labs.
>Occassionally, we have to start up off of a floppy to run RevRdist to
>rebuild our hard drive.  We're getting some Quadras in, so all of our labs
>will be going to System 7.
>
>Because the Quadras will not run anything but System 7, that means will
>have to startup with a System 7 disk to run RevRdist.  RevRdist is a 73K
>application.  Guess what folks?  You can't fit a 73K application on a
>minimal System 7 startup disk if you put the Chooser and Appleshare on
>there too.

And, if you get those Quadras with the 230 or 400 MB drives, there's
the question of how to you partition them (Try to find formatting
software that will make multiple Mac OS partitions and fit on a bootable
System 7 floppy).

>Apple has giving us a wonderful operating system with System 7.  But they
>must solve this startup disk problem immediately!  There would be no need
>for complaints if all machines could startup with a System 6 disk, but
>because some machines require System 7, this problem must be solved!

I recommend the solution I used - a portable external drive (in my case
a SyQuest, but any external drive will do).  I can think of loads of
reasons why any lab ought to have at least one "floating" drive
(removable media drives are especially handy for the purpose).  One
example, is it takes beaucoup less time to install System 7 simply by
dragging a preconfigured System folder off another volume.  Most of us
have I least one "I had no choice but backup and reformat the drive
story" to tell.  A whole lab full of Macs seems likely to generate even
more frequent need of "refreshing" drives.  I appreciate our Mac lab's
SyQuest because it makes it possible for me to demo software using my
own personal, comfortable setup simply by bringing in a bootable
cartridge (that way I get to show off lots of bells and whistles that no
one in their right mind would install on lab machines--not even me :)

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Date: 22 Jul 1992 14:49:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Robert E. Winston)
Subject: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco!

 >Guess what folks? You can't fit a 73K application on a
 >minimal System 7 startup disk if you put the Chooser and
 >Appleshare on there too.

There's a text file in the info-mac archives
(report/sys7-emergency-disk.txt) that gives step by step
instructions on how to ResEdit out about 300K of the System 7
system file. Savings come from deleting things like balloon
help, strings, picts, icons, and dialog boxes. The resulting
floppy has plenty of room for disk doctors, defragers,
formatters or whatever.

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 17:00:42 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Mel Martinez x8378)
Subject: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco!

Wade Williams writes to complain about the problem of fitting enough stuff on
a
System 7 startup disk.

Wade's points are valid, and I will not dispute the difficulties caused by the
growing size of the Mac OS.

First, some hopefully helpful suggestions:  Perhaps your group might consider
purchasing one of these tiny little 20 - 80 MB "Pocket Drives" to serve as
your
dedicated RevRdist disk.  Since it is so tiny, you can easily transport it and
hook it up to any mac in question and then boot from it.  The only
consideration would be to make sure of no SCSI ID or termination problems when
you hook up.

Another option would be to take the plunge and move up to the new 20 MB
"flopticals".  These read/write 800k & 1.4MB floppies as well.  Applied
Engineering makes one that is selling for $499 in the current MacWeek.  There
is a durn good chance that these will be standard in future macs.  You should,
of course, verify that these can be used as startup devices.

Also, partioning the HD on each machine to include a designated 2-4 MB utility
partition (make sure it is a true 'hard' partition) would mean you could
always
use that as your startup volume when working on the rest of the disk.

Second, here are some thoughts on the whole issue:

Try booting a Unix system from a floppy.

Try booting Windows 3.1 from a floppy.

Try booting OS/2 from a floppy.

I do not include Messy-DOS because it is not a real operating system, but
rather a hack evolved from a kludge called "Quick & Dirty Operating System"
(Q-DOS).  Heck, Windows is just a hack on top of a hack...

The point is, modern operating systems are just plain getting big.  Why?
Because we, the users, keep asking for more and more powerful systems.

I view this as an inevitable trend myself.  From that view, the problem is
clearly NOT the size of the OS, but rather the capacity of the medium
(FLOPPIES).  What were the increments in time between the upgrades from 400k
to
800k to 1400k floppies?  I think we are more than overdue for the next step.

So in our cries to Apple to fix this problem, I think a new medium of
transport
needs to be part of the solution.

Just my opinions, no one elses...

Mel Martinez
The Johns Hopkins University
Dept. of Physics

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 02:27:32 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco! (C)

>Apple needs to provide us with some sort of minimal startup disk
>that provides Finder and Chooser services.

I completely agree! This issue has been raised before by myself
and others:

>He said Apple's official position is to start up with a System disk,
>then insert the application disk and run from there no matter how
>many disk swaps it takes.
>
>I remarked how completely unfeasible that is in today's world and
>that Apple needed to come up with a better solution. Naturally, he
>didn't comment on that - I suspect not wanting to go against Apple's
>official position. I understand that.
>
>But I do think Apple needs to come up with some sort of solution.
>Perhaps a system which does nothing but get any Macintosh started
>and in doing so, presents a dialog noting that that System is for
>emergency use only and is not to be used under normal circumstance.

>Having spent the day (and more days to come) checking Mac disks
>around campus with Disk First Aid and Norton Utilties, updating
>virus protection, etc., I very much agree with the first poster's
>opinion that Apple really could help us a lot by providing an
>ultra-small emergency floppy System. Such a System could be entirely
>RAM based. If I had such a system, I could have probably cleaned up
>two or three times more machines today and not been frustrated out
>of my mind rebooting numerous times and waiting for System 7 to
>spin its wheels from a floppy.

Count me in your letter writing campaign!

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 13:09:28 EST
From: [e-mail] (dks)
Subject: Sys 7 Startup disk fiasco! (C)

> Folks, the System-7-Startup-disk fiasco has got to stop!
>
> Apple has giving us a wonderful operating system with System 7.
> But they must solve this startup disk problem immediately!  There
> would be no need for complaints if all machines could startup
> with a System 6 disk, but because some machines require System 7,
> this problem must be solved!


Wade, feel free to add my name to your list of peeved disk-shufflers.

Meanwhile, let me tell you how I overcome the problem: I attach
a portable hard disk drive externally and use it to boot up.
Since I usually want to do this when the internal isn't mounting
or booting up correctly, I can't always set the start-up disk in
advance with Apple's CDEV, but I can *usually* get the external to
mount anyway, even if it does take some SCSI fiddling.

The portable volume is set up with universal Macintosh OS software,
so that I can use it to jump-start any machine.  It's an expensive
work-around, but it is a work-around.

Cheers!
Dhanesh

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 13:51:20 cdt
From: "Duckenfield,Paul" <[e-mail]>
Subject: System 7 manuals

    I've been asking my boss for a copy of the System 7 manual for awhile
now. The other day, he handed me a copy of one of the "Macintosh User's
Guides" which come with our new Mac IIsi. It has been very helpful (although
I have been more pleased with MacWorld's Guide to System 7). The question
I have is how is this manual different from the manual that comes with
System 7 in the $100 upgrade kit? I think that the main difference is
that I have a fair bit of Macintosh IIsi hardware/owner's manual type
stuff in addition to the System 7 part. Am I wrong?

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 01:21:21 CDT
From: Willi Wilkins <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Quayle Season movie

A tip for those who are going to download the Quayle movie from Jon Pugh's
directory. If you are running the Simple Player to view movies, you will need
to change the creator code to TVOD to be able to view it.

Also pick up the Mandelzoom2 movie which is marvelous!

/s [e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92  20:52 BST
From: RICHARD LIM <[e-mail]>
Subject: Two FAQs

Here are two questions, in all probability FAQs:
(1)   What IS the difference between 7.0 and 7.0.1?  I have yet to hear
a convincing or definitive answer!  Over here, most people who have an
opinion say that 7.0.1 is faster on machines with FPUs ie the operating
system has been adapted to make use of the FPU, and hence Finder
and other operations are presumably speeded up.  Even if that's not
the distinction, will an FPU generally speed up the Finder anyway?
(2)   Is there any difference in the superdrive access times for high
density and double density floppies?  From the sound the drive makes, I
get the impression that it must be goes round SLOWER when reading from a
high-density disk, presumably because it reads both types of disk at roughly
the same speed and so has to slow down when reading from a more densely
packed DS/HD floppy.  At the same time, I've also felt that the Mac boots
slightly SLOWER from System 6 when the boot disk is a HIGH density one.  Has
anyone made similar/contrary observations?

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 10:01:12 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Mel Martinez x8378)
Subject: What is wrong with my Mac? (R)

Drew Radke responds to my comments re: disappearing folders bug.

> > First, back up all of the files on your HD that you can.  Try using "Find
File"
> > from the Finder 'File' menu to locate files in your 'mystery folders'.
> >
> > Next Reformat your HD.  Reinstall fresh system 7 software and most
importantly,
> > INSTALL TUNEUP VERSION 1.1.1.  This version has a fix for this specific
bug.
>
> Ooops! As you may have gathered, I am using TuneUp 1.1.1, 1.1 was a
> mistype! A pretty stupid one at that actually!
>
> My experience would lead me to belive the folders from hell bug can
> still occur with tune-up 1.1.1! A bit depressing really.
>
> Thanks for your message anyway.

Drew,

No, the bug cannot occur with TuneUp 1.1.1 installed.  You probably
already had the bug occur when you installed the TuneUp 1.1.1.  TuneUp
1.1.1 cannot remove damage already caused by the bug.  That is why it
is important to rebuild from scratch.

The 'Folders from Hell' bug is a slightly different phenomena.  FFH
refers to folders that one cannot delete in any way from your disk,
even though they contain nothing (one keeps getting 'item in folder is
locked/busy' messages). FFH occurs on both system 6 and system 7 and
seems to be caused by applications not properly closing files and
releasing directories (I'm not 100% sure on that).

The 'Disappearing Files' bug only occurs on System 7.0 or 7.0.1
without TuneUp 1.1.1.

I am posting this to infomac, as well, because of general interest.

Mel Martinez
The Johns Hopkins University
Dept. of Physics

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Date: Wed, 22 Jul 92 15:21:08 BST
From: Drew Radtke <[e-mail]>
Subject: What is wrong with my Mac? (R)

Mel Martinez x8378 wrote:
> No, the bug cannot occur with TuneUp 1.1.1 installed.  You probably
> already had the bug occur when you installed the TuneUp 1.1.1.  TuneUp
> 1.1.1 cannot remove damage already caused by the bug.  That is why it
> is important to rebuild from scratch.

Sorry Mel; over a week ago I installed 7.0 from disk, and before
installing anything else I installed Tune-Up 1.1.1. Yesterday and today
I've had disapprearing files, as well as one folder from hell which I
managed to delete by running Norton on it.

> The 'Disappearing Files' bug only occurs on System 7.0 or 7.0.1
> without TuneUp 1.1.1.

There may well be something else on my system causing the vanishing
files, but I've definately got them! I'm running Quicktime, Gatekeeper,
Moire and Disinfectant init on a Mac II with the FDHD upgrade and
MacTCP, in case some of you need refreshing.

Drew Radtke * * * * * * * *

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 92 22:23:59 EST
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kauffman)
Subject: Where can I find the stock market?(A)

On Thu, 16 Jul 92 Jeff Wong wrote:

JW> What I really want is to be able to see an up to date listing of
JW> both stock prices as well as commodity prices, but I just don't
JW> know where to look. Can somebody help please.

Try GEnie. They have stock quotes as prt of their flat rate basic serice.
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