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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: The Perennial Piracy Debate (was Re: Bilestoad)
- Message-ID: <avnmy+_.payner@netcom.com>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:20:48 GMT
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <bazyar.711852801@teal> <1992Jul23.185730.19631@athena.cs.uga.edu> <bazyar.712366903@teal>
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- In article <bazyar.712366903@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
-
- [...]
-
- > It's simple- if you use software and do not pay for it, you're
- >committing a crime.
-
- It's simple, but absolutely wrong as stated. I use some freeware that
- I have not paid for, and I have committed no crime. I have much software
- that I have written for my own use, who the hell are you to tell me
- that it is a crime to use it?
-
- You've gone off the deep end Jawaid. Beyond reason, and beyond the law.
- I think now that you might be wanting as a moderator. You are too
- extreme, and you have stopped even trying to reason.
-
- > Perhaps this personally incriminates you, causing
- >you discomfort. Not my problem,
-
- No, you have another problem.
-
- > and not an excuse to pirate.
-
- What you fail to see is that there is no connection whatsoever between
- the morality/legality of piracy and the validity of the lost profits
- argument.
-
- > I tell you what. Everyone knows Porsches are overpriced. If you _truly_
- >believe what you're saying as regards to piracy, go out and steal
- >a Porsche.
-
- And he has said as much about piracy as I have, nothing.
-
- To defend the lost profits argument is _NOT_ defending piracy.
-
- > After all, it's got an arbitrary sticker price, right? After
- >all, it's not hurting Porsche Co because you'd never have paid them
- >anyway, right? No argument in favor of piracy can fly.
- >
- >> 2) You assume that each piracy equates to a lost sale, at your arbitrary
- >> price, and that in every case the program would have been purchased
- >> if it hadn't been cloned.
- >
- > Arbitrary price? I think not. We priced GNO *very* fairly, and any of
- >our customers will tell you that. Nintendo cartridges are (IMHO)
- >priced excessively. However, IIgs games that cost half what a NES
- >game does get pirated, simply because it's possible. THIS DOES NOT
- >MAKE IT RIGHT.
-
- Is it right to twist things around till you get something that makes
- you red-faced angry? No it is not. And yet you keep doing it. You are
- not arguing from the moral high-ground here, and you have the wrong
- topic.
-
- >--
- > Jawaid Bazyar | Ask me about the GNO Multitasking Environment
- > Procyon, Inc. | for the Apple IIgs!
- > bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | P.O Box 620334
- > --Apple II Forever!-- | Littleton, CO 80162-0334 (303) 933-4649
-
- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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