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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: The Perennial Piracy Debate (was Re: Bilestoad)
- Message-ID: <7tnmlp#.payner@netcom.com>
- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 14:10:37 GMT
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <bazyar.711852801@teal> <bxgmdhg.payner@netcom.com> <bazyar.712366277@teal>
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- In article <bazyar.712366277@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
- >payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >
- >>In article <bazyar.711852801@teal> bazyar@teal.csn.org (Jawaid Bazyar) writes:
- >
- >>Wow, you know each and every pirate personally and can verify this?
- >>Do they also drive Mercedies? You need to learn to read.
- >
- > I'm telling you from personal experience, and from talking with a number
- >of IIgs software pirates, many of whom run BBSs. Again, even if a
- >particular person is too poor to afford a $30 game (very unlikely),
- >does this mean that it is okay for him to pirate it?
-
- I've said it several times, but you ignore it and edit it out every time.
- I AM NOT AGRUING PIRACY AT ALL, you are. But not with me, with youreslf.
- And you do it by taking my post out of context and misreading. Chill out.
-
- >>I need to check some numbers, but I bet that the claimed lost profits
- >>exceed the expendable income of America. If this is the case, the argument
- >>cannot be valid.
- >
- > Why is that? Let's say that Microsoft has sold 5 million copies of Windows.
- >Let's say that there are 40 million pirates copies in use. That's $400mil
- >right there that morally and legally belongs to Microsoft. Now, start
- >adding up all of the other heavily pirated packages for machines and
- >yes, I can see how you might very well achieve a number that exceeds the
- >amount of money Americans have to spend. Does this mean then that since
- >technically it's not lost profits that these pirates aren't doing any harm
- >by pirating? In addition, there's still a lot of money that Americans
- >_do_ have to spend that isn't going where it belongs.
-
- This is what I am arguing, the "lost profits" argument, as presented by the
- software industry. Any agrument which claims losses beyond expendable
- income in bogus. The money does not exist, and never did, how could it
- be lost?
-
- Piracy is another issue, which I will not argue about, and have -not- been
- talking about.
-
- And who the hell are -you- to judge that "there's still a lot of money that
- Americans _do_ have to spend that isn't going where it belongs"? You have
- every right to make your own financial decisions, and less than no right
- to make them for others. It is none of your business.
-
- >>And it is also your issue, not mine. If you want to talk about the lost
- >>profits argument, I will be glad to. As for the rest, you go non-linear,
- >>and seem to think that I said and implied tons of stuff that I absolutely
- >>did not say or imply. You even went as far as to edit out the line where
- >>I said that I am not defending piracy, just attacking the lost-profits
- >>argument. And I did not mean in general, but as it is being used by the
- >>software industry, specifically, and only.
- >
- > Okay, fine.
-
- Do we have a connection? I do not want to argue this. Arguments have
- in the past solved nothing, and caused a lot of bad feelings. Can we
- just drop this?
-
- >>Is this really Jawaid? This is the first time I have seen you rant. And
- >>it is really sad that you went so far beyond what I had said to do so.
- >
- > Yes, it's really me. I got off on a tangent, one that's becoming
- >very important to me. I apologize if I insinuated anything about you
- >in particular, but it's sad to see any IIgs enthusiast _not_ come
- >up in arms against piracy.
-
- Yeah, just like the crusades. It is just as wrong to do evil in the name of
- fighting piracy as is to pirate itself. BTW, piracy did not kill the Apple //,
- Apple did.
-
- >--
- > Jawaid Bazyar | Ask me about the GNO Multitasking Environment
- > Procyon, Inc. | for the Apple IIgs!
- > bazyar@cs.uiuc.edu | P.O Box 620334
- > --Apple II Forever!-- | Littleton, CO 80162-0334 (303) 933-4649
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- Rich
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- payner@netcom.com
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