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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2,news.groups
- Subject: Re: Comp.binaries.apple2 moderation: why not?
- Message-ID: <d!hmpj-.payner@netcom.com>
- Date: 23 Jul 92 23:29:20 GMT
- References: <1992Jul22.205159.19989@unlinfo.unl.edu> <5cgmw#n.payner@netcom.com> <1992Jul23.160417.17237@unlinfo.unl.edu>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
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- In article <1992Jul23.160417.17237@unlinfo.unl.edu> gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) writes:
- >payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >>gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) writes:
- >>>payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >>>>cust_ts@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Tero Sand) writes:
- >
- >>>>That you missed humdreds of posts in cs2a on this topic shows your lack of
- >>>>involvment. Which brings to mind my question, what do you care? And why?
- >
- >>>Articles posted ONLY to comp.sys.apple2 regarding the moderation of
- >>>comp.binaries.apple2, by the Guidelines, do NOT count. Only what
- >>>appears in news.groups is recognized discussion. Crossposted items are
- >>>fine. These are not my rules, it is just the way it is.
- >
- >>Be that as it may be, it completely misses the question.
- >
- >The question was directed at someone else. I was providing a sidebar,
- >which does not even attempt the question. I simply state that it is not
- >required that a user follow or even take part in a newsgroup in order to
- >take an interest or even an active part in the discussion of a proposal
- >affecting that group.
-
- Granted. Note that a change in the status of a group will have much effect
- upon the rest of the net than adding or removing a group.
-
- >>BTW, although you claim that you did NOT find reason for not moderating, it
- >>is exactly as true for reasons TO moderate. It ain't broke, it does not need
- >>to be fixed.
- >
- >Are you talking to me, or to Tero? Anyway, perhaps it is you who
- >haven't been reading the articles, specifically the RFDs which were
- >posted which clearly listed the benefits of moderation.
-
- Tero originally, but I've been here all along, and I now read news.groups
- daily. How you gonna vote on the Harley issue?
-
- [...]
-
- >>>>The real question is why do we -need- moderation. The answer is that we do
- >>>>not -need- moderation. It would prevent a few annoyances, at a cost which
- >>>>will exceed the value of the few benefits.
- >
- >>>Annoyances which still continue, even at the peak of the discussion
- >>>period on moderation. Many people, when they first join USENET, have
- >>>groups presented to them in alphabetical order. "binaries" comes before
- >>>"sys".
- >
- >>And they -still- are no more than annoyances.
- >
- >Annoyances which, upon repeated instances, major annoyances, which have
- >at times EXCEEDED the number of binaries posts. I point to every Fall,
- >when the new students at Universities get their first account with
- >USENET. It has been demonstrated that FAQs do not work, and email deals
- >with the problem only after the effect. The only way to prevent them is
- >to work preemptively, and the only way to do that is with moderation.
-
- Obvioulsy, some are -much- more annoyed than others. I wonder that they
- have the patience to skip the Avatar discussion, or other things that they
- might not want to read without flaming.
-
- >::[My mentioning of some of the elements of the charter.]
- >
- >>So why is it that rather than supporting the proposition directly, you
- >>ask the wrong question. The proposal being to -add- moderation, the question
- >>that needs to be answered is -why- add moderation. It seems that you have
- >>a personal stake in this. And it also seems you are being deliberatly
- >>evasive. These are not qualities I find attractive in a moderator.
- >
- >The proposition supports itself rather well. The reason why I keep
- >responding to articles against the proposal is because I was the one
- >that called for the proposal in the first place. It's my JOB.
-
- As to how well the proposition supports itself, the vote will tell, will
- it not?
-
- >>The discussion period drags on. All arguments were posted within the first
- >>week it seems. Nothing new or different has been posted for a long time.
- >
- >Then you must have been asleep at your terminal. There are now
- >two more moderators, and a few more items added to the charter,
- >including mention of the automatic post verification at 5 days
- >and the donated virus checking software from Morgan Davis. Just
- >read it for a change.
-
- Cosmetic changes. Essentially they change the 'how', but the what is not
- affected, nor the reasoning behind it. I did not know that Morgan Davis
- had donated virus software however. I respect his programming.
-
- >>Rich
- >>payner@netcom.com
- >
- >-- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
-
- Rich
-
- payner@netcom.com
-