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- From: gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
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- Subject: Re: Comp.binaries.apple2 moderation: why not?
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- Date: 23 Jul 92 15:36:58 GMT
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- chauhan@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Amrit Chauhan) writes:
- >gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...) writes:
- >>@ () writes:
-
- >>Articles posted ONLY to comp.sys.apple2 regarding the moderation of
- >>comp.binaries.apple2, by the Guidelines, do NOT count. Only what
- >>appears in news.groups is recognized discussion. Crossposted items
- >>are fine. These are not my rules, it is just the way it is.
-
- >Oh give me a break Greg! These might not be your rules, but why can't
- >something posted to csa2 at least be considered by the reader? It
- >doesn't have to be official for someone to actually think about it...
-
- There is a reason why discussion must occur in news.groups. You can't
- have some group run their own private RFD and CFV in their group and
- then suddenly announce to the net that their proposal has passed. If no
- discussion appears in news.groups, it would be evidence that there was
- not sufficient support of the proposal to warrant a CFV. And every
- proposal, no matter how minor, still has an effect on the net at large.
- There are those who are watchful of bad precedents being set. These may
- not directly apply to comp.binaries.apple2 to our eyes, but it may to
- others, which is precisely why it must be discussed in a public forum in
- news.groups, which is _supposed_ to be carried by every USENET site.
-
- >I don't care
- >where the discussion is supposed to take place, but ideas are ideas,
- >and there's no need to just discount them as valid points because
- >they're not in the "right" (and I think they are) place!
-
- Technically, by your reasoning, it should take place in the group
- affected, which is comp.binaries.apple2, and we _both_ know that that
- would NOT be appropriate.
-
- >If Tero really cared,
-
- One can care about the discussion about a group without reading the
- group. I don't read the comp.unix.* groups, but I am interested in how
- the reorg there turns out, and not only due to the proposal for
- comp.unix.apple2gs.
-
- You also discount the possibility that Tero could be a new user who has
- not had access to comp.sys.apple2. The apple2 groups might not even be
- carried on his machine, but might be if the binaries group is moderated.
- There is _another_ reason why one would be interested in the proposal,
- and unable to follow it in comp.sys.apple2.
-
- >>>The real question is why do we -need- moderation. The answer is that
- >>>we do not -need- moderation. It would prevent a few annoyances, at a
- >>>cost which will exceed the value of the few benefits.
-
- >>Annoyances which still continue, even at the peak of the discussion
- >>period on moderation. Many people, when they first join USENET, have
- >>groups presented to them in alphabetical order. "binaries" comes
- >>before "sys".
-
- >Regardless, they're just annoyances, and when you consider the
- >__possible__ fallout from moderation, these annonyances are
- >acceptable..._TO ME_
-
- And so if they are acceptable to you, then they MUST be acceptable to
- EVERYONE ELSE, eh? Well FAQs have been shown not to work in informing
- users beforehand not to post discussion to comp.binaries.apple2. Email
- hasn't been effective, since there are still sites out there that carry
- c.b.a2 but don't carry the .sys. group. Moderation is the only tool
- left. And HEY, we can prevent more than just discussion posts, we can
- offer virus protection, descriptive subjects, extractable archives, a
- public archive site, post redirection, links into APPLE2-L... but no,
- these are all (individually) way too minor of points to justify this
- evil of moderation! Ever thought of thinking of them as a whole, or is
- 1+1+1=1 in your world? Any minor delay in approval, even one as small
- as 5 days, is unacceptable to you, as you still claim there is something
- that could cause the group to suddenly die, _never_ to recover. You
- keep waving this flag around, but so quickly no-one can see what's
- printed on it. What is on your flag?
-
- >chauhan@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu -- Amrit Chauhan
-
- Yes, Amrit, I know I won't change your mind; it's carved in stone. But
- I do have a duty, as the one who posted the RFD, to prevent you from
- succeeding in convincing others to your opinion.
-
- -- gberigan@cse.unl.edu (Life...)
-