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- From: achow@cad093.scdt.intel.com (Abel Chow ~)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
- Subject: Re: GNU Emacs vs. the world . . . (was Re: C Programmer's Editor of Choice?)
- Message-ID: <ACHOW.92Jul24171856@cad093.scdt.intel.com>
- Date: 25 Jul 92 00:18:56 GMT
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- In-reply-to: mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us's message of 24 Jul 92 20:55:06 GMT
-
- In article <mwm.1awn@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us> mwm@contessa.palo-alto.ca.us (Mike Meyer) writes:
-
- > In <ACHOW.92Jul23183544@cad093.scdt.intel.com>, achow@cad093.scdt.intel.com (Abel Chow ~) wrote:
- > > I'm wondering how many Amiga users have actually used GNU Emacs. I
- > > have met MANY people who claim to use Emacs but don't even know how to
- > > call up the online help
-
- > GNU Emacs is a subset of Emacs, not the whole thing. A fair number of
- > people consider the Goslings variant to be "the one true Emacs". Guess
- > what - it uses Control-H to backspace, not for help. It is very
- > comparable to GNU Emacs in terms of size, functionality and features
- > (i.e. - it's got more of any than you really want :-).
-
- Hi, Mike. Actually, it's more like the people who C-f all the way to
- the end of the line rather than using a single C-e, or C-k a whole
- bunch of blank lines instead of C-x C-o, or C-f character by character
- instead of M-f, or C-d C-f <char> instead of C-t, etc. <cringe> It
- just drives me up a wall watching people edit in such a fashion.
-
- OK. I have to admit that the example that I gave was probably a bad
- one (since only GNU Emacs has it), but the online help was what hooked
- me into Emacs. I'm probably the unusual case but I sat in front of
- the computer for hours on end reading the WHOLE info-file.
-
- Anyways, you're right about the other variants. But isn't GNU Emacs
- the most popular version out there? I can't wait for version 19!
-
- To be totally honest, I haven't met anyone at school or at work who
- knows Emacs well (OK, I'm young . . . I'll wait a couple more years).
- <sigh> And it all began when the place where I worked had only the raw
- Unix system and one text editor--vi . . .
-
- > In additions, there are minor variants available for most platforms
- > that include enough of an extensions language that RMS wouldn't object
- > to them being called emacs.
-
- Yeah, but what about memacs? C-x C-f is bound to quit? It's a sorry
- excuse for Emacs. <grimace> At least get the keybindings somewhat
- standard.
-
- > In other words, it's possible for someone to be *very* familiar with
- > emacs, but have never used GNU emacs.
-
- Right. Once again, you point out another one of my oversights. Gee.
- You seem to be pretty good at this . . . <grin>
-
- > > For smaller editing jobs, I use MG (which is less than 100 KB). (I
- > > was going to update it for 2.0 but when the Real Thing came out, oh,
- > > well).
-
- > Update? What were you going to add? I use MG regularly on the latest
- > thing I can get from CBM, and it doesn't have any serious problems.
- > Needs a few new features, though. However, the real GNU sort of kills
- > that. The trouble is, replacing all the amiga-specific functionality
- > I've built around MG isn't that easy.
-
- Actually, I was trying to make it work correctly on 2.0 (and use as
- many 2.0 features as possible). I wanted to just get rid of the
- cosmetic problems first, but I never got that far. Unless you stick
- to 8 pixel high fonts, the window graphics is messed up. The menus
- don't work with proportional spaced fonts. The system font is used
- instead of the screen font. Stuff like that. But it's a solid
- editor. Thanks, Mike! Anyhow, I had problems getting it to compile
- under DICE, my hard drive got full, etc. It's hard programming
- without documentation (this was when the RKMs weren't available--I
- just looked at the include files).
-
- > <mike
-
- Abel
- (INTegrated ELectronics)
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