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- From: strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.graphics
- Subject: Re: OpalVision
- Date: 23 Jul 1992 17:01:32 -0500
- Organization: Kansas State University
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- ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:
-
- |>In article <14mulcINNnbj@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis)
- |>writes:
- |>> ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) writes:
- |>> >The device can run a 24 bit buffer at 768
- |>> >x 480 from just the data available on the RGB port? I'm not
- |>> >contesting the video slot version, but the RGB port?
- |>>
- |>> No, it is a real frame buffer. The 24-bit image is created and
- |>> held internally, but the external device is *CONTROLLED* through
- |>> the RGB port in this case, and the data appears either above or
- |>> below the video data coming over the port. It works just like an
- |>> external GENLOCK in this sense.
-
- |>It's got to get all its data from the RGB port if that's the
- |>only connection to it. I'm aware it has its own memory, but
- |>it's got to be filled via the RGB port if that's where it's
- |>connected.
-
- I am not sure about Opalvision, but Colorburst also had a couple
- other wires, I believe. In any event, this is the main vision
- between an Opalvision and a CDTV: Once the image is IN the
- Opalvision, the device can continue displaying it from its own RAM.
- DCTV requires a constant presence of the codes.
-
- |>> >784 * 482 * 30 * 4 = 45346560 bits per second
- |>>
- |>> But, unfortunately, the video bus would be unable to cope with a
- |>> continuous stream of raw data at this speed. :-(
-
- >Your RGB port does it all day long. Scary, isn't it?
-
- The RGB port is analog. This is 5.535 mega BYTES per second. You
- couldn't swap that much into chip ram each second and still
- multitask. In fact, I doubt that you could do it. The fastest
- I've ever seen a 7Mhz Amiga move data from Fast Ram is a little
- over 1 meg a second!
-
- Once the data is there, you can display it ... but GETTING IT THERE
- at that speed is impossible. With the Colorburst, it took quite a
- bit of time to get the image from Amiga's RAM into the card.
-
- |>So, I'm asking, how fast can expect to
- |>push data to OpalVision?
-
- |>I ask because they claim the Amiga 500/600 version hangs
- |>from the RGB port instead of being a card inside the
- |>machine. If there's another connection to the unit, my
- |>questions are answered.
-
- I would not be surprised if you could fill the Opalvision's card in
- two or three seconds... maybe a little less. But animations would
- be impossible. And you wouldn't be able to get much else done
- since the processor would be accessing Fast RAM as fast as it could
- to achieve this.
-
- |>> >So what's the scoop? Tell me tell me tell me. I think the
- |>> >makers of OpalVision are not telling us the whole truth. I
- |>> >want numbers and I want explanations that match with
- |>> >reality.
- |>>
- |>> Like I said, the image data is created in the device. They don't
- |>> advertise 30fps animation in 24 bits, so don't expect to get it! :-)
-
- |>My "image data" is most certainly not >created< in the
- |>device! If I load an image from disk, it's got to go out my
- |>RGB port to get into the buffer.
-
- Yes, you have to fill the thing's RAM, but the data does not reside
- in Amiga's RAM. The encoder is inside the box, and any software
- you run manipulates data inside the box. As far as the electronics
- of the Amiga are concerned, you have a Genlock plugged in.
-
- |>That's what I'm talking
- |>about. I question the throughput of this connection.
-
- One megabyte per second TOPS on a stock Amiga. A little more if
- you have something faster.
-
- >I especially want to know how I can change OpalVision's
- >buffer while I'm displaying useful stuff on the Amiga's
- >screen.
-
- The first, last, and only time I ever saw a Colorburst was at the
- Amiga Expo in Orlando Fl. last summer. If I recall, the Amiga's
- display was blanked while the transfer took place.
-
- Stratocaster
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