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Subject: summary of replies : PCTE and ATIS implementations
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Recently I asked about PCTE and ATIS.

>       I am interested in information on:
>
>       1. availability and cost of PCTE and of ATIS implementations, especially to universities and
>          research institutes;
>       2. any attempts at building environments (either commercial or research)
>          using PCTE or ATIS and comments on ease of doing so/success/ease of tool
>          integration/etc.....
>
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>       I will summarise any responses,
>       Jenny Rowland
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>       (Flinders) University of South Australia
>       email : [e-mail]
>               [e-mail]

 Here is a summary of the replies:

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Hi,

If you need informations about PCTE you could reach
Leigh Grubdy from PCTE users Group
e-mail [e-mail]

There is a mailing list about PCTE ([e-mail])
and there is also a free newsletter about PCTE.

Jean Michel Goutal

Centre de Recherche Informatique de Montreal
Computer  Research  Institute of    Montreal
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From:   IN%"[e-mail]"  7-JUL-1992 05:30:20.67
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        Jenny,
        I am supporting the US STARS contract for Boeing,  We are building
        an environment using the DEC CDD/R, CDD/A products that support
        the ATIS specification.  The results to date have been outstanding
        we have a simple prototype that we are building upon incrementally.

        Other STARS contractors are building on Emeraude and EAST foundations.
        I cannot attest to their progress thus far in that they have not
        demonstrated it to the world.

        In addition to STARS there are several successful implementations
        of ATIS environments in existence, two are offered commercially:
        1) Verdix APSE is built upon Atherton based technology
        Contact: Tim Ruhe: [e-mail]
        2) CRI (Denmark) is offering the integrated environment that they
        built upon Atherton for the European Space Station Columbus
        as a commercial product.
        Contact Henrik Maegaard: [e-mail]
        3) Loral Aerospace has built a proprietary environment upon
        Atherton.  It appears to be comprehensive but there is not
        much firm information available.
        Contact: Bill Sweet: [phone]

        If you want to follow the STARS work you can request
        to be added to the mailing list of our newsletter by
        e-mailing a request to [e-mail].
        Also you could plan to attend our STARS 92 conference
        in Washington D.C.  8-10 December 1992.
        You also can subscribe to our bulletin board and our
        library of released documents and prototypes by contacting:

        MR. LAWRENCE JACOWITZ        IBM CORPORATION       [phone]
        DIR ASSET          BLDG. 2600, SUITE 2
        2611 CRANBERRY SQUARE
        MORGANTOWN, WV  26505          FAX
        SECT:
          [e-mail]   [phone]


          Regards

          Bill Hodges [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Contractor Ron Dr. Peterson)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Eoin Woods) writes:
>[e-mail] writes:
>>I am interested in information on:
>>1. availability and cost of PCTE ...
>
>For a PCTE implementation (called "EAST") - note that PCTE is a standard, not
>a product - contact SFGL.
>

Actually, EAST is a Software Engineering Environment _based_on_ PCTE.  In
particular, EAST uses the Emeraude V12 implementation of the PCTE 1.5
standard.  For information in general about PCTE, you may want to contact:

        European Computer Manufacturers Association (ECMA)
        114, Rue du Rhone
        CH - 1204 Geneva
        Switzerland
                tel.:   [phone]

or line up some commercial training/consulting from:

        Software Design & Analysis Inc (SDA)
        1113 Spruce St., Suite 500
        Boulder, Colorado  80302
                tel.:   [phone]

For information on the Emeraude V12 product try:

        GIE Emeraude c/o Bull S/A
        68, route de Versailles
        78430 Louveciennes
        France

Two other companies are now providing implementations of PCTE:
        Heuristix (India) -- a partial implementation of PCTE+
        Verilog (France) -- a VAX VMS version of PCTE 1.5.

Another SEE based on the Emeraude implementation is Syseca's Entreprise II.
For more info on that one contact:

        Syseca
        315, bureaux de la Colline
        92213 Saint-Cloud
        France
                Tel.:   [phone]

For more information on environments (SEEs), you can request the
        Software Engineering Environments Report
from the USAF Software Technology Support Center at Hill AFB, Utah.
        Tel.:   [phone]
        or      1-800-392-1798

Hope this gives those interested some leads.

        Ron Peterson
                Weber State University          [e-mail]
        &       TRW/STSC                        [e-mail]


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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Eoin Woods) writes:

>For a PCTE implementation (called "EAST") - note that PCTE is a standard, not
>a product - contact SFGL.


"EAST" is an environment product built on top of a PCTE implementation
from GIE Emeraude. This implementation is of PCTE 1.5 which is *not* a
standard. The standard version is ECMA PCTE.

SDA distributes the Emeraude implementation (called V12). For more
information, please contact me.




Best regards,
Mark A. Kissman
Software Design & Analysis (SDA)
[phone], [e-mail]

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>I am interested in information on:

>1. availability and cost of PCTE and of ATIS, especially to universities and
>   research institutes;

SDA is a distributor of Emeraude's implementation of PCTE 1.5 (this
is virtually the only commercially available implementation at this
time). It runs on most of the UNIX platforms. A standalone license
is US$8,180 (US$1,227 for qualifying universities) and documentation
is US$550 plus shipping. Annual maintenence contract is 15% of
license cost or US$1,670 minimum.

If you are interested a more detailed product description, please
let me know.


>2. any attempts at building environments (either commercial or research)
>   using PCTE or ATIS and comments on ease of doing so/success/ease of tool
>   integration/etc.....

SDA is aware of several organizations building environments on PCTE
(mostly US DoD). Two French companies, SFGL and Syseca are building
enviroment products based upon PCTE (EAST and Enterprise II).


>I will summarise any responses,

I would be interested in the responses.

Best regards,
Mark A. Kissman
[phone] [e-mail]
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 14:10:04 PDT
From: [e-mail] (Paul Sander)
Subject: RE: PCTE and ATIS
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Hi Jenny,

In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>I am interested in information on:
>
>1. availability and cost of PCTE and of ATIS, especially to universities and
>   research institutes;
>2. any attempts at building environments (either commercial or research)
>   using PCTE or ATIS and comments on ease of doing so/success/ease of tool
>   integration/etc.....
>
>
>
>I will summarise any responses,
>Jenny Rowland
>------------
>(Flinders) University of South Australia
>email : [e-mail]
>        [e-mail]

I'm afraid I can't help much with PCTE (or PCTE Plus), but I do know that
there are two implementations of ATIS.  One is from DEC, but I understand
that it is expensive, performs poorly, and it's quality of implementation
isn't all that great.  The other is Atherton Technology's "Software BackPlane"
product.  It's a commercial product and costs a couple of thousand US dollars
per seat.  Software BackPlane goes beyond ATIS in its object oriented-ness
also.

You can reach them by writing to:

Atherton Technology
1333 Bordeaux Drive
Sunnyvale, CA  USA  94089

Their telephone number is [phone].  They are also quite familiar
with PCTE Plus, so you might write to John Gregory, [e-mail]
to see how they might be supporting it.

Finally, the CIS committee (which wrote the ATIS document) is now X3H6,
which is part of ANSI.  Eric Black is involved with that effort, and you
can reach him at [e-mail] .

Good luck!

Paul
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[e-mail] writes:

>I am interested in information on:

>1. availability and cost of PCTE and of ATIS, especially to universities and
>   research institutes;
For a PCTE implementation (called "EAST") - note that PCTE is a standard, not
a product - contact SFGL.

SFGL, 14 Rue de la Ferme, 92100 BOULOGNE, France
Tel: [phone]
FAX: [phone]
Email: [e-mail]

Eoin.
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Hi Jenny - I think we meet once at ICSEA?

As you will have heard by now, PCTE and ATIS are both names of standards
efforts. Atherton Technology (California) have a product that they claim is
ATIS compliant, and of course Digital is now shipping CDD/Repository on VMS
which is based on the ATIS work. CDD/R evolved from the ATIS work originally
done together by Digital and Atherton, but it has evolved and so names and
some capabilities are different. I can't yet publicly say what Digital is
doing with PCTE except that we have said that we are actively working on
integration of PCTE and CDD/Repository technologies.

........ [ stuff deleted]

Cheers
Keith
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