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- From: jfoster@everest.srd.bt.co.uk (John Foster)
- Newsgroups: comp.software-eng,comp.object
- Subject: Re: Software costs revisited?
- Message-ID: <1992Jul22.112100.17317@srd.bt.co.uk>
- Date: 22 Jul 92 11:21:00 GMT
- References: <1992Jul20.120345.26472@cs.tu-berlin.de>
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- From article <1992Jul20.120345.26472@cs.tu-berlin.de>, by gregor@cs.tu-berlin.de (Gregor Engelmeier):
- > In Brad Cox's book: "Object Oriented Programming" from 1986, he
- > quotes an inquiery carried through by the U.S. Goverment Accounting
- > Office in 1979, in wich a breakdown of software costs versus actual
- > results is performed (FGMSD-80-4). The results at that time were:
- >
- > Software paid for but not delivered: 47%
- > Software delivered but not used: 29%
- > Software abandoned or reworked: 19%
- > Software used after change: 3%
- > Software used as delivered: 2%
-
- Small and pedantic point: the figures of 47% and 29% should be
- interchanged there (I have the GAO original in front of me). Sorry --- that
- was just for the benefit of anyone who might quote the figures further.
-
- > This was meant to be a motive the introduction of object oriented
- > techniques in the production of complex software systems.
-
- I too have heard those figures quoted in that way (in fact I think I've
- heard them quoted in support of most new ideas, at one time or another :-)
- But on a very quick rescan of the report, I don't think the authors
- had that in mind. They were much more concerned with the procedural
- and contractual aspects of controlling software development.
-
- Trouble is, those figures on their own don't mean a lot, because they
- never were a representative survey. They were found as a result of a large
- survey (that was itself representative) but they were just nine specific
- cases chosen to illustrate the problems that people were reporting.
- They're bound to look bad, because in large part that's why they were
- selected! That point is made in the original report, but too rarely
- repeated (IMHO).
-
- > My question now is, whether since then such an inquiry has been performed
- > again, and which its findings were.
-
- In the light of my comments above, I think I need to re-interpret the
- question as: "Has anyone done a survey yielding figures like the above,
- but in a way that could be quoted as representative?"
- I have heard of only one such, and I've never seen the original
- report. It was supposedly a survey of 125 US companies, carried out
- by Applied Research of New Jersey and relating to the percentage of
- software developments that were abandoned before delivery. Is there anyone
- out there who can supply any detail on that one? I saw it as a comment
- in a report itself written in 1987, but it gave neither the date of the
- survey nor any reference to a published paper.
-
- Like the poster, I'd very much welcome any further references. But I've
- been looking out for this sort of stuff for some years without success,
- so I'll be very surprised if we get many (any?) examples.
-
- > Since the OO-Paradigm has been applied predominantly in the design area,
- > I would expect, that the relative importance of the first cathegory ("paid
- > for but not delivered") has diminished but that the second cathegory of
- > failure has become more important.
-
- Sadly, I don't think we're going to be able to answer this: even if we
- can find a later data point, the original is unusable as a comparison.
- I'd be very happy to be proved wrong on this...
-
- It is, by the way, unfortunate that the original GAO report has become
- so famous just on the basis of those particular figures. It's still a
- good read, and the mistakes it warns against are still being made...
-
- > I'm greatefull for any hints and comments
- >
- > - Gregor
-
- Hope this helps.
- John Foster
-
-
- --
- John Foster
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