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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: FLAME: BORLAND TECHNICAL SUPPORT
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- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 20:52:14 GMT
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- In article <155m43INNe9q@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> banshee@cats.ucsc.edu (Wailer at the Gates of Dawn) writes:
- >
- >rjrichar@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca (Bob Richards) writes:
- >
- >>Personally, I have been VERY flustrated with Borland's "free" support.
- >>The lines have been impossible to get through plus once you do get through
- >>you end up waiting roughly 20-30 minutes in long distance waiting to talk to
- >>somebody. Once you do get to talk to somebody you are given all of the
- >>obvious suggestions/answers.
- >Fine -- YOU work Tech support and listen to people who can't get the shrink
- >wrap off the boxes. Nothing is *free* and you are a bastion of anti-slack.
- >
- >>It's pretty said that when you are paying near $900 for a product that
- >>you have to pay for "GOOD" support. BORLAND LETS GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER!!
- >And your Microsoft support is better? HAhaHAhaHAAHAHaHaHaHAhaHahaHaHaha
-
- I must have missed the part where he said Microsoft was better.
- Having used both the only thing better about the latter's tech
- support is the disk jockeys telling you how long the wait will
- be!
-
- Tech support for these products is poor. I agree that they get
- stuck with people who "can't get the shrink wrap off" and they're
- gonna have to find a way to route those calls to nontechnical
- low cost phone support. But that's not their major problem.
-
- 1.) They have GOT to improve product quality. They wouldn't be
- getting a lot of these calls if their products worked right
- to begin with! Almost all the calls I've made to various
- company's tech support (recently: Borland, Microsoft, Lotus,
- and DataStorm) recently have been about actual bugs or problems,
- not RTFM issues. The majority of them have produced invitations
- to download the latest patch version of some file. Now I guess
- I should be pleased that they have these patches, but it's
- ridiculous that they're releasing such buggy software in the
- first place!
-
-
- 2.) And they simply MUST find a better way to disseminate information
- about their products than they do now. Recent Microsoft adver-
- tisements have been touting their thousands of lines of documen-
- tation versus the (slightly fewer) thousands of lines of Borland
- documentation for their respective C/C++ compilers. This is a
- bragging point?! I had to install a new set of shelves in my
- office when I bought the Borland 3.0 product.
-
- When you have a problem you first have to wade through several
- books, especially if you're not sure if it's a compiler issue, a
- debugger issue, etc. And then look in the numerous readme
- and .doc files. Computers are supposed to be good at information
- management. Why do they even USE readme files? ALL the documentation
- including the last minute stuff should be in a single database,
- with hypertext links and fuzzy logic searches. (I should NOT have
- to search an exact word, because if I don't guess the right word
- I'm sunk <-- this is OLD technology) And an engine ought to
- exist for the user to add new data to this if he wants. None
- of this requires futuristic software or technology. They could
- probably cut way down on their phone volume by making it easier
- to FIND the information that's already included in their package.
- (In Borland's defense I will say that the online help is a lot
- better than it used to be)
-
- 3.) And when all this fails and you call Tech Support they have
- GOT to do a more competent job fielding problems and questions.
- I generally find it takes multiple calls to resolve a single
- issue. Each call ties up lines and people and costs me and
- them both money. In many cases this was simply because it got
- "escalated" to more knowledgable people, not because I did anything
- between the first and second calls to resolve things. The usual
- cause is that the 2nd or 3rd person knows some FACT that the
- first person doesn't know. This is inexcusable because they all
- share a database of information. But they're either not doing
- proper "brain dumps" into that database, or the search algo-
- rithms are too primitive to provide sufficient assistance to
- the tech's.
-
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- ---peter
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