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- From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey)
- Newsgroups: comp.edu
- Subject: Re: Colleges Need to Fix the Bugs in Computer-Science Courses
- Date: 29 Jul 1992 10:55:49 GMT
- Organization: University of California at Berkeley
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- Reg Foulkes writes (>):
- >Ken Collier writes (>>):
- >>waltp@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (waltp) writes (>>>):
-
- >>>In engineering, there is a separation between engineering degrees
- >>>and engineering technology degrees. I think we need the same
- >>>distinction in computer science.
-
- >>Feedback from alumni have told us
- >>that people with tech degrees have greater difficulty getting
- >>jobs and command lower salaries with far fewer opportunities for
- >>advancement.
-
- > Most employers don't really know what they need.
-
- I am not convinced that students are well served by any undergraduate
- engineering degree, including the CS degree. I think undergraduates
- should have a liberal education. That means they should major in
- something real, like maybe math or physics, and should take plenty of
- literature and writing and history and philosophy and psychology on
- the side. And on top of that, let them take a pre-engineering program
- similar in spirit to pre-med or pre-law.
-
- (Since I teach undergraduate computer science for a living, this proposal
- is against my own interests. So you may think I'm crazy, but at least
- I'm disinterested!)
-
- We offer academic credit to students who serve as lab assistants, teaching
- newer students how to use the equipment and do the homework. I find that
- our students in the engineering school ask NOT to get the credit, because
- they're only allowed so many credits before graduation, and those are
- all taken up by required engineering courses. Something must be wrong there.
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