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- From: walvdrk@research.ptt.nl (Kees van der Wal +31 70 332 6295)
- Subject: Re: Curious attitude ...
- Message-ID: <1992Jul30.184556.1@research.ptt.nl>
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- References: <12387@pinard> <22041@venera.isi.edu> <1992Jul29.164110.1@research.ptt.nl> <nu696eo@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>
- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1992 17:45:56 GMT
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- In article <nu696eo@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com>, vjs@rhyolite.wpd.sgi.com (Vernon
- Schryver) writes:
-
- >> In article <22062@venera.isi.edu>, finn@isi.edu (Greg Finn) writes:
- >>...
- >> > No. Multicast is NOT broadcasting. A routing tree is
- >> > constructed so that the traffic flows according to what is ideally a
- >> > minimum-cost spanning tree. Hardly broadcast I think.
-
- >> I agree. The essence is that there's hardly any real time contraints when
- >> doing none-interactive multicast.
-
- > Wasn't the IETF multicast "interactive"?
-
- I don't have any idea what IETF is. A group of people looking at a presentation
- on a videoscreen is not my understanding of "interactive".
-
-
- > If you don't have some real time constraints, pictures get objectionably
- > jerky and voice is hard to understand.
-
- What I meant to say is that if the information (picture, voice) is only going
- into a single direction (from performer to audience) there's no problem to
- smooth the variances in the delay. So no jerky pictures or
- difficult-to-understand voice. For such an application I don't mind a total
- delay of (say) several seconds.
-
- If the audience is supposed to talk back ("interaction") I _do_ mind about the
- delay.
-
-
- > 50 milliseconds is not at all hard to hit on typical ether-internets,
- > with workstations acting as routers. (I know a little of such an
- > internet with a hundred or so ethernets, some FDDI and TR and a few
- > thousand workstations, and a little more about the hardware and
- > software of those workstations.) Sometimes round trips get worse than
- > 50 msec, but then I've noticed my telephone tends to not work very well
- > shortly before the building is rattled by thunder.
-
- Hmm, that's interesting information. Though not at all in line with what I
- experience (as a user) from the network here. But a major network-overhaul is
- due for this weekend ...
-
- But, what determines the performance (sustainable througput & delay) in such a
- network? My ignorant guess is, it's not the number of workstations but the
- amount of data these workstation produce, the attainable througput of (such a
- workstation-based) router and the number of routers that have to be passed.
-
- With all respect for data-people in general, for me it's a "small" network.
- Doing similar things in a world-wide network might make some difference.
-
-
- > Do you guys think that all of the "multi-media" people are without a
- > clue or a hope? (I think many lack one or the other, but few lack
- > both.)
- >
- > I'm trying to politely suggest that you telephony guys should get out
- > more. See other parts of the world. Good data networking people
- > generally know they don't know about telephony, but it is strange the
- > obverse does not seem to apply. (I won't claim in public to be good,
- > but I will claim to not know too much about telephones.)
-
- This looks (to me) as a flame against "you guys". Did "we" say anything wrong?
- Then "I" apologize. I never suggested (at least I didn't mean to suggest) there
- would be no hope for the world without ATM (or "telephony guys" for that
- matter).
-
-
- Regards, <kees>
-
- Kees van der Wal e-mail: J.C.vanderWal@research.ptt.nl
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