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- From: abledsoe@sdf.lonestar.org (Al Bledsoe)
- Subject: Re: Looking for a USABLE database
- Message-ID: <1992Jul28.140922.8573@sdf.lonestar.org>
- Organization: sdf Public Access UNIX, Dallas--unrestricted free shell access
- References: <1992Jul22.180503.27010@homebase.vistachrome.com> <l6v00iINN8qf@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> <4352@disuns2.epfl.ch>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:09:22 GMT
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- In article <4352@disuns2.epfl.ch> baechler@liasun7.epfl.ch (Emmanuel Baechler) writes:
- >Hi,
- >
- >I am currently workink with an hospital. My task is to support laboratories and
- >their applications. I am also involved in the choice and the integration of new
- >applications in our environnment.
- >
- >To do this I have started to work with databases a few days ago, especially
- >with Ingres (version 6.4 on a DG AViiON 310). The least that I can say is that
- >I am *TERRIBLY* disappointed. This DBMS is not only extremely slow, it's way of
-
- etc. etc. heard this story many times before.
-
- > this is totally unacceptable: labs frequently add new tests, or add COMBINED
- > tests (based on existing ones), and this means the addition of new columns.
-
- Uh, have you read anything about relational database theory?
-
- >_ The SQL request are *SLOW*, to say the least!
- >
- >_ there's no environnment allowing "standard users", like lab people or doctors
-
- I've worked in the health field here in Texas since 1975, doctors are not
- standard users!!
-
- >It is absolutely clear for me that, in this situation, any package based on
- >Ingres would be totally rejected by these laboratories. Even worse, they would
- >create a *LOT* of anger.
-
- Probably. But one of my projects is to go RDBMS. The company I am with
- now is still recovering from an attempt to go DB2. So how can I win?
-
- >
- >So, my questions are the following:
- >
- >_ Is there, somewhere in the world, a USABLE query (and developpement)
- > enviromments for DBMS like Ingres and ORacle?
- >
- >_ If so, where can I find them? Is there something in public domain that could
- > be FTPable? Are there good commercial products? Where can I find them?
- >
- >_ Are there OTHER good multiuser RELATIONAL DBMS? Where can I find Them?
- >
- >_ Are there good alternatives to RDMS? Are some object-oriented DBMS worth?
- > Are ther environnment usable? Where can I find them?
- >
- >Any help will be HIGHLY appreciated.
- >
- The ANSI MUMPS database/language has for years and years accomplished your
- task in a very efficient manner. The U.S. VA laboratory system was written
- with MUMPS (see DEC's DSM product info). I now work for a laboratory vendor
- that uses PICK or UniVerse's PICKeese running on UNIX servers such as
- Sequent or IBM's RS/6000 or HP's 9000/857's etc.
-
- These database vendors are just now discovering the Open world as they
- emerge from their vertical niches. Intersystems is a MUMPS vendor that
- markets a product called M/SQL, hiding the name MUMPS and flouting
- their 4GL-like frontend. UniVerse 7.0 by Vmark is doing the same thing
- by embedding SQL and creating a global dictionary to the relational
- world.
-
- So, there is no lack for tools to create efficient and well interfaced
- applications for the medical community. Byte magazine May 1992 gives
- credibilty to the view that RDBMS's have had their chance. Combining
- what was learned through them with what has been demonstrated through
- such DBMS's as MUMPS and PICK will find new functional products from
- vendors that address the real world of weird users like doctors.
-
- Hint: try Advanced Revelation in a client/server design with UniVerse.
-
- >--
- >Emmanuel Baechler. | Tel.: ++41-21-314-45-30
- >CHUV | e-mail: baechler@lia.di.epfl.ch
- >Division Autonome d'informatique | or: baechler@liasun6.epfl.ch
- >CH-1011 Lausanne Switzerland | Standard Disclaimer
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