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- From: power@random.ucs.mun.ca (Brian Power)
- Subject: Apples and Oranges
- Message-ID: <1992Jul29.161936.17199@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>
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- Reply-To: power@random.ucs.mun.ca
- Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
- Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1992 16:19:36 GMT
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- >
- >>Canada just does not know what it is ready to give to Quebec.
- >>CSQ has to decide in a one for one basis, not one against 10.
- >>...
- >>Why is that "united" Canada unable to find something that Quebec will accept?
- >
- Denis, I think you have finally enunciated the basic difficulty in all
- past discussions regarding Quebec and it's position within Canada.
-
- The Quebecois view Canada as the creation of two founding communities,
- French and English. Quebec represents the French and the rest of Canada
- represents the English. The Quebecois see a LOT of historical injustices,
- an eroding culture, and geographical limitations on their mobility
- within Canada. Therefor, since they hold a large majority within Quebec,
- they enact legislation and develop Quebec wide policies to ensure that their
- culture does not erode further and that their economy can sustain it's culture.
- Moreover, they demand the legislative authority to ensure that the Canadian
- legislation cannot be used either as a basis to block their efforts or as
- a tool to directly erode their culture. What this boils down to is French
- Canadian is the same as Quebecois and Quebec equals The Rest Of Canada.
-
- *** Putting on Flame Retardant Suite ***
-
- TROC views Canada as the creation of two (possibly three) founding communities,
- English speaking dependents of many European cultures (NOT the same as the
- English conquerers - the original English speaking provinces were primarily
- Scottish and Irish) and French. Recently, the 'native' peoples have been
- added as the third group.
-
- TROC believes that a lot of effort has been expended to rectify historical
- injustices toward the French Canadian community, i.e. official bilingualism and
- French Emerson schools. They ARE aware that both of these programs need
- improvement and that 'other' initiatives are needed but they look to them as
- proof of a 20 year commitment to right old wrongs! They believe that
- French Canadian culture exceeds the boundaries of Quebec with significant
- population in Manitoba, Ontario, and New Brunswick and the ambition of TROC
- is to provide cultural security to ALL Canadians, including French Canadians.
- (At the same time nobody but a few rednecks will claim that the Quebecois do
- not constitute a 'distinct society'.)
-
- TROC doesn't understand the Quebecois stance with respect to
- culture. For example, the very strong Scottish community in Nova Scotia has
- given up Gaelic as their primary language and now maintain it as a 'third'
- language. They don't feel culturally barren so why do the Quebecois feel so
- strongly?
-
- TROC sees the Quebecois policies as placing geographical limitations on their
- mobility within Quebec - for the same reasons that the Quebecois feel
- restricted in the rest of the country.
-
- TROC sees the Quebec demands as a power grab; as an attempt to entrench the
- the concept that Quebec is equal to TROC. To TROC, Quebec is a province,
- equal to each other province.
-
- *** Taking off flame retardant suite ***
-
- Looked at from this perspective, this country is in trouble - we are not
- even discussing the same issues!
-
- If you look at the Quebecois demands from their perspective, they are being
- reasonable. They are asking for the MINIMUM requirements to implement their
- agenda. If you look at TROC offers from their perspective, they are being
- reasonable. They are offering the MAXIMUM they can while retaining what is
- required to implement their agenda. But we have two incompatible agendas.
-
- In many ways I think Canada is doomed! In order to find a solution acceptable
- to both groups someone (probably both) must change their basic view of Canada -
- and I don't think this will happen! Maybe if one group moved first the other
- would respond but both groups feel they have gone as far as possible. In the
- current situation, even if the coming Quebec referendum chooses Canada the
- issue will not be resolved. Only the development of a single unified view
- of Canada will resolve this issue. Lack of a resolution will result in the
- eventual breakup of Canada - if not this year, then next, if not next year,
- then in five years, if not ......
-
- --
- Brian Power e-mail: power@random.ucs.mun.ca
- Memorial University
- St. John's, Newfoundland
-