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- Date: Fri, 24 Jul 92 19:14:21 EDT
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- From: Mike O'Brien <mto@WORLD.STD.COM>
- Subject: Outline programs
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- David Harlan wrote:
-
- >You mentioned other stand-alone outlining facilities. Do you
- >have any experience with any of them? Can you recommend any that
- >work with NB? Or printed review/discussions of same?
-
- Sorry to take so long to respond. Wanted to look up some references
- for you. PC Outline and KAMAS are available as shareware, so you
- could take a first hand look. Reviews on those programs would go back
- a few years. For GrandView, there were reviews in InfoWorld, 9/24/90,
- p. 93 and 6/3/91, p. 65 (the latter is on using GV as a PIM rather
- than as an outliner per se). PC Mag had reviews in 10/30/90, p. 38
- and 6/20/90, p. 165.
-
- Grandview developed upon PC Outline, adding many bells & whistles
- and mouseability. GV requires 320k of RAM and about 800K of
- diskspace. PC Outline will run in as little as 80k and can take
- as little as 100k of diskspace, or even less if compressed. KAMAS
- requires 256k of RAM, I believe, and about 200k or less of disk
- space. I've heard some people praise MaxThink, but I've never
- used it. I think it's outline files are ascii files, tho, and it
- may be easy to interface to NB for that reason.
-
- Both PC Outline and GV allow you to customize the keyboard. Both
- also depend upon available memory (RAM) for outlines, and allow
- multiple windows. File size is thus limited by memory. The
- largest file size you can have with KAMAS, otoh, is 8 Megs per
- outline! KAMAS lets you open only one at a time, but makes
- provision for jumping easily between outlines. It includes its
- own file manager for this purpose, which, among other things,
- lets you peek into files, search outlines, and load files easily.
-
- KAMAS makes it very easy to traverse outline structure with
- logical commands: U for up, D for down, N for next, P for
- previous, E for edit, T for tag, etc. Like vi, the unix editor,
- it uses the keyboard in two modes: command mode, like above, and
- edit mode, initiated with an E. It's editor uses Wordstar
- conventions.
-
- I've enjoyed using all three. I've customized both GV and PC
- Outline to use Wordstar conventions to a large extent, and have
- customized GV to use KAMAS-like commands (with the Alt- key) to
- move around within outlines. All will export ascii files.
-
- Which is better depends to me on how much memory I have
- available, how large my files need to be, or which program I'm
- more accustomed to or enamoured of at the time. Before I
- customized GV to use KAMAS commands, I liked KAMAS best because of
- the ease of movement around outlines and the ability to use
- English-language filenames. Lately, since getting a color monitor,
- I'm using GV more.
-
- Hope this helps. I'm going to sign off the list till mid August, so if
- you have comments, questions, use my mail address and I'll get back to
- you in a few weeks.
-
- Mike O'Brien
- mto@world.std.com
-