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- From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>
- Newsgroups: alt.peeves,alt.flame
- Subject: Re: Drug testing and welfare
- Message-ID: <5wPkoB14w165w@mantis.co.uk>
- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 92 14:56:39 BST
- References: <92205.193651JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu>
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- Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.
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- Jenni Sheehey <JMS111@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
- > Apparently in this state there is a proposed bill that would cause
- > people receiving cash assistance (welfare) from the government to have
- > to submit to random drug testing. If someone tested positive, they
- > would have to agree to enter a free drug rehab program, and would
- > be tested every three months for the following year, assuming they were
- > still receiving benefits. If they refuse, they'll lose benefits.
- >
- > This bill is not my peeve.
- >
- > Peeve: Everybody and their brother are getting up in arms about this
- > bill. The director of the PA (Pennsylvania) ACLU (American Civil
- > Liberties Union) is quoted in an AP (Associated Press) article as saying
- > "This welfare thing is just disgusting." She also said, "Can the Fourth
- > Amendment really mean that the government cannot search your home, but
- > they can search your body?"
- >
- > To that I say, "Hell, yes, in this case."
- >
- > The reason I say this is that if these people are buying drugs, they're
- > doing it with *my* money. Nobody's proposing that average citizens on
- > the street should have to submit to random drug testing, just people who
- > are making their living by having the government pay them to do nothing.
-
- Well hey, why stop there?
-
- People receiving welfare cheques might be spending the money on stolen goods,
- did you think of that? So why not introduce a bill saying that anyone who
- claims welfare has to volunteer to have his house searched by police, and
- that he has to produce valid receipts for all goods he owns?
-
- People receiving welfare cheques might be spending the money on alcohol and
- then driving a car, did you think of that? So why not introduce a bill
- saying that anyone who claims welfare has to volunteer to mandatory
- breathalyzer tests every time he operates a vehicle?
-
- People receiving welfare cheques might be spending the money on food or
- cigarettes that are bad for them, did you think of that? So why not
- introduce a bill saying that anyone who claims welfare has to volunteer to
- have his diet dictated by experts from the US Government's nutritional advice
- bureau?
-
- And while we're taking blood samples, why don't we record their DNA
- fingerprints? Just to be on the safe side? You never know when that sort of
- information will come in handy.
-
- Alternatively, why not take your fascist wet dreams to a more appropriate
- newsgroup, and stop giving PSUVM the kind of reputation it seemingly
- deserves?
-
- > It absolutely astounds me that it should be legal to have employers for
- > whom one is working be allowed to test you, but that employers for whom
- > you are doing nothing should not be allowed to do so.
-
- It absolutely astounds me that it should be legal to have employers test you
- for drugs which will not impair your ability to perform your job if taken
- outside work hours.
-
- Call me old-fashioned, but I happen to think that what I get up to in my
- spare time is none of Mantis' business, unless it interferes with my ability
- to write code.
-
- > Besides, it's not like we're talking about a full body cavity search,
- > here, anyway.
-
- Oh, well THAT makes it alright then.
-
- > Anyway, if we want to look at it this way, it is the job of people who
- > are living off of public money to use that money wisely and lawfully,
- > and I think we can just consider this to be a job evaluation of the sort
- > that most employees have, no matter what their job.
-
- I'll start worrying about whether the unemployed and homeless spend public
- money wisely when I see cast-iron guarantees that tax-fattened leeches like
- George Bush and John Major are spending tax money wisely.
-
- If a welfare claimant who receives a few tens of dollars a week has to have a
- blood test to prove he's spending the money wisely, what should George Bush
- submit to to prove he's spending his tens of thousands of dollars of public
- funds (i.e. his salary) wisely?
-
- > they are not working. I'm not even receiving welfare, but if they want
- > to test me first, they're welcome to. I've never been quite sure what
- > the big deal was, anyway, assuming one has nothing to hide.
-
- Well, I've got this little scheme. We take your fingerprints, DNA
- fingerprints, retina scans, your religious and political affiliations, your
- credit record, your medical record, and all your other personal information
- such as your address and home telephone number. We file it all away on a big
- public computer.
-
- I'm sure you'll consent. After all, you have nothing to hide, do you?
-
-
- mathew
- --
- "Even the most bizarre of the unions (probably that between a cat's gall
- stone and a single note 'G' from CNN's ident theme) managed to convey a
- sense of rampant impropriety." -- 'Fortran Five', Simon G. Lawrence Leonard
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