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- From: Upholder@uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
- Subject: Re: Useless Bots
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- Sender: randall@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (THE Upholder of Truth)
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- Organization: The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
- References: <1992Jul26.203510.17987@rat.csc.calpoly.edu> <Bs0txr.H16@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Jul27.100632.2332@rat.csc.calpoly.edu>
- Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1992 14:19:20 GMT
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- asamonte@polyslo.csc.calpoly.edu (Just some loser...) writes:
- >StarWatcher@uiuc.edu was telling me...
-
- >>purpose in life is to /invite and op one particular person to a (or
- >>a few) channel(s). I don't see any problems with bots with invite/op
- >>lists of 50-60 people for one "regular" channel, especially if the bot
- >>is being updated fairly frequently, and if the human channel ops are
- >>willing to let new people on channel fairly regularly. The bots in between...
- >>*shrug* I haven't had to deal with them.
-
- >Your main argument for the robot is for invite purposes? Then why doesn't
- >it jsut do that instead of oping people? What's the point there?
-
- The point is, if they are trusted enough to be invited without consulting
- the others on the channel (because they are on a list of 'trusted' users)
- then they are truested enought to also be opped.
-
- The stated purpose of Monitor is to invite and op trusted/semi-regular users
- so that the channel can always be maintained properly. As a channel that
- is almost always +i (for reasons that have been stated earlier and are
- fairly obvious), there *HAS* to be a chanop that is responsible for inviting
- people or the channel becomes worthless.
-
- Take the following as an example:
-
- MyBot is sitting on channel #Just-people-for-MyBot which is +i and MyBot
- is the only operator.
-
- luser OwnerOfBot ask for and is given an invite because he is trusted by
- MyBot, but MyBot doesn't op him. Now we have a person on the channel who
- isn't operator and a bot who is. The Bot is at this point the only one who
- can invite.. and if the bot never ops anyone, then the bot will always be
- the only one who can invite...
-
- I see more problems with the scenerio than with a bot that ops those people
- it invites....
-
-
- >>Of course, there is the obvious solution for people who have problems
- >>with the attitudes of the op-bot or of the powers-that-be for a given
- >>channel: Tough! If you don't like it, go form your own channel.
- >>Yes, it sounds like a harsh answer, but it should be an obvious one.
-
- >There is also another obvious solution who have problems with
- >op bots (just a valid as yours) get rid of them all.
-
- Call me paraniod, but I don't like the idea of 'banning' anything.
- I dislike most bots as much as anyone, but the problems inherent
- in tracking and killing all bots and enforcing such a 'ban' would
- *IMHO* cause more problems than the bots currently do.
-
- So you ban bots.. no biggie.. I merely add the 'bot code to my
- client .ircrc... now am I a person (as I'm using the client.. msging,
- talking, etc|) or a bot (as all the bot code is being used as well)
- or a cyborg (as I'm both a bot and a person)?
-
- More importantly, how would this be handled? Would having /on statements
- become cause to be /killed?
-
- I don't like the idea.
- --
- The Upholder of Truth I am not only ready to
- Upholder@uiuc.edu (BSD/ASCII mail) retract this, but also
- jar42733@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (NeXT mail) deny I said anything. =)
- wi.4173@wizvax.methuen.ma.us (anon. mail) This is *NOT* CCSO's opinion.
-