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- From: peterd@bunyip.com (Peter Deutsch)
- Subject: Re: index for all of gopherspace
- Message-ID: <1992Jul28.002902.8570@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca>
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- Organization: Bunyip Information Systems (the archie people)
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- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 00:29:02 GMT
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- In article <1992Jul27.214401.10120@ra.msstate.edu> fwp@CC.MsState.Edu
- (Frank Peters) writes:
- > In article <1992Jul27.180509.27470@mercury.unt.edu>
- billy@sol.acs.unt.edu (Billy Barron - VAX/UNIX Systems Manager) says:
- > : >You send a query to the meta-database server, and it returns a
- > : >list of databases. You pick one [or several- but we can't do this
- without
- > : >overhauling the client] of those, and your client sends a search
- off to
- > : >them.
- > : >Now, why couldn't we do this with gopher?
- > : >
- > : This could be done. Actually, I don't really care to make this a
- "user"
- > : feature. It would involve some major coding and maybe a protocol
- change.
- > : Just something us sysadmins use to figure out where we would like
- to place
- > : links to.
- >
- > I think making it only a gopher administrator's resource sort of
- > defeats the purpose.
- >
- > I'm a twinkie eating UNIX weanie and could care less about a recipe
- > server, for example. But that doesn't mean that none of my gopher
- > users are interested in them...or in a bejillion other things I don't
- > care about. But, of course, if I link in EVERYTHING then they still
- > have the problem...it has just been translated into one of traversing
- > my gopher tree hierachy (which would, of course, be huge and
- constantly
- > out of date).
- >
- > I think it would be a very useful thing indeed if Joe Random
- > Entomologist had some way to go out and find some bug databases
- without
- > requiring me to explicitly support a link to them (bugs give me the
- > willies). Sort of an archie server for gopher/wais/www resources is
- > what I have in mind (possibly with hooks to automagically "go there"
- in
- > various clients or servers).
- >
- > This is the sort of thing that is going to be necessary to get these
- > resources out there to the user in the age of information overload.
-
-
- This echoes the point I was trying to make in one of my previous posts.
- Providing a good Yellow Pages service is a different puppy from
- providing a great tool for easy interactive browsing of collections of
- information. your browsing tool is a great way to access the
- information once it is built up (so a gateway to this service, with
- a suitable link at the top of every Gopher hierarchy, seems to make
- sense) but I don't see that it is inherently a "Gopher problem"
- at all. It is a general Internet services problem, and we should be
- looking at generalized solutions, not ad hoc solutions for deployment
- within each new service.
-
- If you do it right, you will solve a problem faced by just
- about all of the other services now coming onto the net. Solving it
- has little to do with building better browsing tools and a lot to do
- with resource discovery, fast indexed searching and automated or
- semi-automated operations for services discovery. I would suggest
- people looking for such services take a step back and look around
- before proposing YAPC (Yet Another Protocl Change).
-
-
- - peterd
-