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- From: kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie)
- Subject: [news.admin, et al.] Re: Articles violatating newgroups charter
- Message-ID: <199207282200.AA12910@eff.org>
- Originator: kadie@eff.org
- Sender: kadie
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- Organization: EFF mail-news gateway
- Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1992 14:00:45 GMT
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- From: asylvain@felix.filenet.com (The Chipmunk)
- Newsgroups: news.admin,news.groups,news.misc
- Subject: Re: Articles violatating newgroups charter
- Message-ID: <18937@fritz.filenet.com>
- Date: 17 Jul 92 19:51:55 GMT
-
- Written in article <1992Jul13.223839.10459@opencon.com>
- by news@opencon.com (News Admin):
-
- : As a reader of newsgroups, and as a administrator, few newsgroup violate
- : their Charter, for example soc.culture.indian, inclosed is the article.
- : Is there a way news administrators, especially in the universities, admin
- : to put up statements saying not to post any FLAMES, and if they see any
- : to warn the students/users/employees,etc. of such behavior.
-
- : I thought, that
- : as educated (technical) people, on the net we would know better??
-
- HAH!
-
- : When a newsgroup is created it has a purpose, i.e., it's charter. If people
- : violate the charter, shouldn't something be done buy the "news" administrators,
- : even though the "group" by itself is unadministrated.
-
- Of course, you CAN do something about it. You have every right, as the
- administrator, representing the owner of the machine, to make certain
- restrictions. Having Freedom of Speech doesn't obligate anyone to Provide
- the Soap Box. But it won't do you a whole lot of good in the long run.
-
- Issues of free speech aside, there's really little you can do about it,
- except post occasional friendly reminders.
-
- If people choose to ignore your reminders, what can you do? If, as the
- administrator, you manage to "kill-file" anything coming into or going
- out of your site, folks will only manage to find other sites, or
- sneakier ways of slipping past your kill file algorithms. It's more
- trouble, but if they really want to spew hatred, they'll find a way.
-
- You might as well try to out-law cross-burning on the private property
- of burner. Sure it's disgusting, but unless you want to fine him for
- air pollution, there's nothing you can do. So long as he's not burning
- the cross on someone else's property, it's legal, as it should be.
-
- If you pass a law against it, or try to force it to stop, they'll only
- put up a full-size picture of a burning cross. Not quite the same
- impact, but it gets the point across. Forbidding that, they'll send
- hate-mail to select groups through the postal service. In other words,
- you can't stop them from hating somebody by stopping them from express-
- ing their hatred. They'll simply find other, possibly more insidious,
- methods of expression.
-
- My point is that there really nothing you can or should do about it.
- Just post reminders now and then, send e-mail now and then, and hope for
- the best.
-
- --
- The Chipmunk.
- Opinions are mine, batteries not included, void where prohibited.
- The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility.
- And vice versa.
- --
- Carl Kadie -- I do not represent EFF; this is just me.
- =kadie@eff.org, kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =
-