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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (jerry wang)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity call regions
Date: 1 Oct 1996 04:04:32 GMT
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A question about Vanity Callsigns... When you pick a callsign, do you
have to use the region number that you are in?  For example, I am in
California (region 6), so do I have to choose callsigns like K6JKL,
W6JKL, N6JKL, etc.
Can I choose other region numbers, like K9JKL, W5JKL, N0JKL, etc..

If you know the answer to this question, please post in this thread so
others can read it as well.


--
Jerry H. Wang
California State University Northridge
School of Engineering and Computer Science
Email: [e-mail]
Web: www.csun.edu/~hbcsc274


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: for Cecil
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 04:37:47 GMT
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"Sam Morse" <smorse@usa> wrote:

>Hello Cecil,
>To answer your question:

>No, I would not bar any deaf guy from ham radio.
>I was ignorant of that problem since you are the
>only one mentioning it.  All others where whining
>that they're incapable of comprehending 4WPM
>because of their lack of supernatural talents.

>What I'm trying to say is that in an emergency
>simple CW Morse might be the only way of
>communication.  Therefore most of us (I'm not
>saying all!) should know code in case
>someone was forced to use Morse in
>a shipwreck, for instance.

But reality has shown that there hasnit been
a single amateur radio case such as you
would want all HF hams to be ready for
in years... 5 or more at least.

>I'm not against FSK either, and I'm definitely pro-digital.
>All I'm saying is that there can be situations where
>hand-keyed Morse is the only means of getting out!

Then why make only HF hams known code?  Is
such a situation more likely on HF than VHF?

>You're comparing your uP-based FSK decoder to
>a transceiver.  That wasn't my point.  What I was
>saying is a one-transistor circuit could operate
>as a CW transmitter and receiver in an emergency.

Again, it just doesn't happen that way anymore.  It
is not at all justifiable to mandate CW knowledge on the almost
infintesimal possibility that it may save a life someday.
We'd save more lives if we just required all hams
to know first aid and/or CPR.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:15 1996
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Subject: Re: --Do you need money? Read this!
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1) There's a name for what you're doing. It's called a pyramid scheme.
It's quite illegal.

2) There are folks collecting all of the names and addresses
conveniently attached to these messages. Then they're turning them over
to the authorities. Since you have to snail the $1 bill, it's mail fraud
-- which is a federal crime.

3) You're not even very creative, as spammers go. You're presumably new
around here...do you know *how* many people "tried every darn get rich
quick scheme" and "maxed out [their] new Circuit City card and their
Visa..." and wrote about it in exactly the same words that you did?

4) How are your parents going to react when they find out how much
trouble you've gotten into?


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:16 1996
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From: Mitch Stern <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Weekend HAM RADIO CLASSES
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:51:59 -0700
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I am offering a series of Weekend Ham Radio Classes designed to prepare
students for the Technician Class amateur radio license.
These classes are located in New York and New England.

Classes are 14-16 hours total, spread over 2 or 3 days. Instruction
consists of discussion, demonstrations (with live Ham Radios), practice
quizzes and (ugh) homework.  The combination seems to work, as previous
classes have posted a 95% pass rate.

Upon enrolling in the class, I send out a course book and workbook for
students to get familiar with the material.  Early enrollment is
important, as it allows more reading time.  At the conclusion of the
course, Volunteer Examiners administer the Technician exam.

Available courses:
Oct 4,5,6 (Fri night, Sat morn, Sat night, Sun morn)
Boxboro, MA (New England Ham Radio Convention

Oct 12-13 (Sat-Sun)
Burlington, VT

Oct 26-27 (Sat-Sun)
Albany, NY

Nov 9-10 (Sat-Sun
Manchester, NH

For information and FAQ, access website:
http://www.together.net/~fflynn/weeknd.html    or
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/emayer/class.htm

Help Ham Radio Grow!
73 (best regards)
Mitch WB2JSJ
E-mail: [e-mail]
Phone: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Aravind Srinivasan)
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Subject: Question: Choice of HAM equipment
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A person I know, a registered Ham user in India, wants to buy ham
equipment to communicate within 50km in rural India. One problem is
that the region has some high hills. Could you please let me know if
which among HF, UHF or VHF (for base station and mobile transceiver) would
be appropriate for this purpose? Would repeaters be necessary? Any
information will be appreciated.

Thanks a lot,
Aravind
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 08:17:52 GMT
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[e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk) wrote:

>In <52lq47$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehle
r) writes:
>>
>>That's just the way it is.  It's da rules.
>>
>>73, Jim KH2D

>slavery used to be in da rulz as well...but no more...

>so would a single 5 WPM code test be enough?

It already is enuff, Bill. For a Tech+ license.......




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From: [e-mail] (Paul KeinΣnen)
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Subject: Re: question for carl and the no code group
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 08:47:33 GMT
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Jim Conn <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Mark Little wrote:
>>
>> I found your response interesting as it implied (to me, anyway) that you
>> must see the removal of the compulsory Morse exam as the death of Morse.
>> Did I interpret this incorrectly, as I can't see that the removal of the
>> exam will have any long term impact on Morse use? Ultimately, amateurs
>> either forget Morse or use it. I suspect that 5 years after the exam
>> is dropped, the ratio of CW to non-CW users would be basically unchanged.
>> Am I too optimistic, do you think?

>I think 5 years after the morse requirment is dropped, there will be
>millions of new hams, 98 percent running exclusively SSB, most with KW or
>better linears. So yes, the percentage of morse users will be reduced
>thereby.

And where would these millions of people come from (even if we look at
the situation world wide) ? I doubt that large hordes of people from
the street would be interested in HF-communication, while many other
forms of communication are available. I guess that most people that
would be interested are currently hams with only VHF/UHF license, CB
operators and SWLs. Only a small partition of these groups would be
affected. A large number of people from these groups that would start
to use HF bands, would mainly be interested in chating with local
friends (with whom they have more in common). This would no doubt
increase the use of SSB on the 75/80 m band, but fortunally the (day
time) propagation on this propagation is geographically limited. The
minority interested in DX-contacts would, no doubt, learn CW or invest
in other digital means of communication.

In any case, it is very hard to imagine the same kind of new hams on
HF as the CB boom in the 70s. One contributing reason for the CB boom
was that CB was the only means of mobile radio communication available
to the general public in those days. Today, ham radio on HF is not the
only means of worldwide or local (fixed or mobile) communication
available and IMO there is not a risk for a huge number of new HF ham
operators even if the CW requirement would be dropped or made easier.

>I see the removal of the testing requirement as a further lowering of the
>entrance requirements for ham radio.

I do not see the problem in lowering the _entrance_ requirements,
provided that the privileges are adjusted accordingly. Thus, I find it
quite strange that the U.S. Technician license allows operation of 1.5
kW transmitters with very limited technical knowledge.

OTOH, the full licence should be much more demanding than the entrance
licence to operate high power transmitters and use bands shared with
other services.

>If the theory and math tests are
>made more difficult to compensate, then we'll have more engineers and
>fewer non-technical trades and professions in ham radio, and I don't see
>that as necessarily a good thing.

I do not find that the _ratio_ of technically minded hams vs.
non-technically minded hams as a a problem, the important thing that
the absolute number of hams with technical background is sufficient to
maintain the vitality of the service.

>Besides, why would the tests need
>stiffening, if the morse test requirement is dropped?

Stiffening the requirements after the morse requirement is removed is
the same as admitting that today the other requirements have been too
easy and that those that have received the licence in the past are not
fully competent to build and operate an amateur radio station.

Paul OH3LWR






From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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[e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:

>>That is correct. The FCC made it a licensing requirement, not popularity.

>But the pro-coders keep insisting that it should be maintained as a
>requirement because of its alleged popularity ... that's the rub ...
>that's why I pointed out that its popularity, or lack thereof as the
>case may be, is irrelevant with respect to its continued suitability as
>a licensing requirement ...

Doesn't matter what the 'pro-coders' insist. Only matters what the
FCC insists.

>OK, here's a deal ... we'll make the Morse test *optional*  ... doesn't
>count for squat, but *you* can take it if *you* want to and if it makes
>*you* fell good ... but nobody is *forced* to take it ...

Great idea. That sounds JUST like what we are doing now.  When's
the last time you were heard about some being dragged out of their
home, kicking and screaming, and forced to take a CW test ? Morse
tests ARE optional NOW.  Nobody HAS to take one.  Those people
who want higher class licenses and more privledges have the OPTION
of taking CW tests right now.

>To do otherwise is EXACTLY the same as to "make all the Chinese people
>in the world speak English just because (you) don't understand Chinese"
>and you already admitted that that wasn't fair ... (gottcha)

Well, now that you GOT me, what you gonna do with me ?  Does this mean
the Internet Fairy will give you an extra gold star on your bill this month ?
Chalk up one more GOTTCHA for Carl.

>>Doesn't matter who likes
>>it or doesn't like it, as long as the FCC thinks we need to take CW tests,
>>those of us who want to get on HF will continue to take them.
>>

>That's EXACTLY why we're debating the issue here ... because we want to
>get the rules changed and we're trying to educate people to why they
>should support that idea ...

OH, I C. This is an EDUCATIONAL process that is going on here.  People who
have NEVER been on HF, and people who have NEVER HAD A HAM TICKET
are EDUCATING those of us who HAVE been on HF for years about the
best way to use HF.   That sounds like a WONDERFUL idea.  Maybe tommorrow
I'll find someone who has never played golf and ask them to take me to the
driving range and give me a few lessons.........

But anyway, Carl, stop educating, start petitioning. That's the only way to ge
t
the job done.

73, Jim KH2D
Don't Convince ME - Convince the FCC





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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
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Subject: Re: Vanity call regions
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>   [e-mail] (jerry wang) writes:
>  A question about Vanity Callsigns... When you pick a callsign, do you
>  have to use the region number that you are in?  For example, I am in
>  California (region 6), so do I have to choose callsigns like K6JKL,
>  W6JKL, N6JKL, etc.
>  Can I choose other region numbers, like K9JKL, W5JKL, N0JKL, etc..
>
>  If you know the answer to this question, please post in this thread so
>  others can read it as well.
>
>
>  --
>  Jerry H. Wang
>  California State University Northridge
>  School of Engineering and Computer Science
>  Email: [e-mail]
>  Web: www.csun.edu/~hbcsc274

you are not limited to the call region ( 0 thru 9) and can get a call outside
the region you live in.  which will make the qsl buro for each region real hap
py

BUT!!!! you are limited to the callsign within the 48 states.  In other words
you couldn't get the call WH2O as that is not within the continental US
but you might be able to get N0CW

DROP THE CODE  DROP THE THEORY!!!  NOW!!!

SUPPORT.......
 HF FOR THE PEOPLE
BUY THE PEOPLE


steve


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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
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Jim Kehler wrote:
>
> >>Doesn't matter who likes
> >>it or doesn't like it, as long as the FCC thinks we need to take CW tests,
> >>those of us who want to get on HF will continue to take them.
> >>
>
> >That's EXACTLY why we're debating the issue here ... because we want to
> >get the rules changed and we're trying to educate people to why they
> >should support that idea ...
>
> OH, I C. This is an EDUCATIONAL process that is going on here.  People who
> have NEVER been on HF, and people who have NEVER HAD A HAM TICKET
> are EDUCATING those of us who HAVE been on HF for years about the
> best way to use HF.   That sounds like a WONDERFUL idea.  Maybe tommorrow
> I'll find someone who has never played golf and ask them to take me to the
> driving range and give me a few lessons.

Hey Jim, I am an Extra too, and a CW man actually.  Yet I do favor
getting rid of the code test for the amateur license.

There is a difference between doing away with the code test and
doing away with the CW sub bands.  Many modes have sub bands,
like CW, digital, weak signal non-Fm for vhf, etc. etc.  Then there
are band plans.  All intended so no one steps on another person and
annoy him with voices or squeaks and growls.

I have no objection to doing away with the code test.  You will still
find me on 14,005 at 30 wpm.  And yes, the no coders could then
learn the code, decide they like the action on 14,005 and jump right
in.  This is totally logical and compatible.

Hey, the FCC did *NOT* test my ability to talk into a microphone and
give a speech.  They gave me a cw test, and yet allow me to work
voice modes.  Does this make sense?  It doesn't.  Ability to use
 a certain mode will determine who uses it and who doesn't.  The
sub bands will keep decent folks honest and some order in the bands.

Why don't we embrace the proposal?

I don't like some things Carl says.  Its obvious he doesn't like CW,
but he is not proposing doing away with CW, just the test for it.
His motive may be suspect, but his proposal is well thought out.  I
like it.  I have lots of no code friends.  And trust me, they are
all fine hams turned out by the S.P.A.R.C and the VE's, including
me.

A new day is breaking in Amateur radio.  A new satellite about to go
up.  The new solar cycle is starting.  Lets stop trying to impose
our favorite modes on those that rather operate other modes.  I
could give squat what yelling goes on in 14,313.  I stay on 14,005
where it is civilized.  But I don't want to dictate that voice modes
should be abolished for any reason (and there are plenty, like
wasteful of spectrum space).  This is a HOBBY, for enjoyment.  Lets
get on the enjoyment bandwagon and quit bitching.

I am in favor of doing away with the CW test, not the CW modes or
sub bands.

Ramon, Nome, Alaska.  AL7X   <---see, one of these too!


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>In <52cg4r$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Scott
>Sidener) writes:
>>
>>Hi,    I am about to put up a 100 foot freestanding tower on my
>property.


Towers under 200 feet require no lights or markings.


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: hamradio-online.com EXCLUSIVE: WA State Eases Proposed Radio Restrictions
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <01bbaf0d$c7953260$[e-mail]> "nrhblack" <nrhblac
[e-mail]> writes:
>Ham radio is authorized by Federal Law which overrides State law.  Ham
>radio installations do not need to be certified.
>
>Henry Black P.E.  KK6JR, G4NOC

Irrelevant. State law controls what equipment you may or may not
have in a vehicle.

And BTW, I've edited the newsgroups line to remove the *repeated*
listing of rec.radio.amateur.misc which causes multiple occurances
of these postings. When are you going to get that right when you
generate these spams, Ed?

Gary
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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: question for carl and the no code group
Date: 1 Oct 1996 15:34:02 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Conn  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Mark Little wrote:
>>
>> I found your response interesting as it implied (to me, anyway) that you
>> must see the removal of the compulsory Morse exam as the death of Morse.
>> Did I interpret this incorrectly, as I can't see that the removal of the
>> exam will have any long term impact on Morse use? Ultimately, amateurs
>> either forget Morse or use it. I suspect that 5 years after the exam
>> is dropped, the ratio of CW to non-CW users would be basically unchanged.
>> Am I too optimistic, do you think?
>
>I think 5 years after the morse requirment is dropped, there will be
>millions of new hams, 98 percent running exclusively SSB, most with KW or
>better linears. So yes, the percentage of morse users will be reduced
>thereby.

What do you base this predicition on?  It is more than five years after
the Morse requirement was dropped from the Technician class license,
there aren't "millions" of new hams (perhaps 150,000), many of
the new hams do use FM, but with "barefoot" radios, very few
appear to run more than 50W.

The use of FM isn't surprising since this is the most common
mode on the bands that Technician licensees have access to.

>I see the removal of the testing requirement as a further lowering of the
>entrance requirements for ham radio.  If the theory and math tests are
>made more difficult to compensate, then we'll have more engineers and
>fewer non-technical trades and professions in ham radio, and I don't see
>that as necessarily a good thing.  Besides, why would the tests need
>stiffening, if the morse test requirement is dropped?

What exactly is your point here?

>Will morse survive? I think the better question is, will ham radio
>survive.  We gave up an HF band (11M) to satisfy the demand for no-code
>HF, and look what happened. History has a way of repeating itself. Only
>time will tell.

Amateur radio didn't give up a band to satisfy the demand for no-code
HF.  Amateur radio gave up a band to satisfy the need for a low-cost,
short range, personal communications service.  The FCC originally
selected UHF for this service, but the manufacturers just weren't
ready to build cheap UHF FM radios, so they FCC added the 11m
AM service, much more appealing at the time to manufacturers.  Because
the FCC can't enforce sunspot cycles, 11m became a popular long-distance
service, but it didn't start out this way.

>> Ideally, my future for AR contains some of every facet of radio, new
>> or old.
>
>I hope you will enjoy it through all the QRM, when all those millions of
>new hams get their KW SSB rigs on the air. The only happy people are
>likely to be the equipment manufacturers, who will become much wealthier.

Once again, where did you get this prediction from?  There's no
basis in the amateur service for the doom and gloom.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: 1 Oct 1996 19:57:26 GMT
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Cecil Moore  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Randolph Kielich wrote:

>>         I'll determine what is or is not important to myself in this life
>> time and no one else.  If I need a 'personal manager' for my life, I'll go
>> out and hire one, thank you.

>With all that "anxiety and dread" suffering over a ham call at your age,
>I was concerned about your health.
>73, Cecil, W6RCA  (not speaking for my employer)

Not fair, Cec. You got your vanity callsign when Gate 1 opened. That gate
was non-stressful for you since you knew you were going to get what you'd
requested. But poor Randy - he can't sleep at night worrying, his wife left
him, and his dog bit him. Give him some sympathy.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (emmet)
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Subject: Help tracing old EI-callsign
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For many years I have been seeking the callsign held by my late
grandfather without success. His name was Alec Caulfield and he was
resident at

22(?) Gartan Avenue,
Drumcondra,
Dublin,
Ireland

22(?) Lower Drumcondra Road,
Drumcondra,
Dublin,
Ireland.

during his periods of activity: 1930-1950 (excluding wartime!)

If anyone knows of any information resource or individual or company who
might be able to help, I would really appreciate an email. Governmental
records here were destroyed in a fire after his death (1952). The
Dept. of Communications (equiv FCC), IRTS, RSGB, and ARRL have been
unable to help. Any more suggestions?

Thank you for your help,

Emmet, EI7HF.

WestNet DX-Club Member.
[e-mail]
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: Please, folks...
Date: 2 Oct 1996 01:36:11 GMT
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In <52s4s7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail](Robert Benne
tt) writes:
>The motion to "End Discussion of Morse Code on r.r.a.m. " has been
>moved and seconded, All those in favor say "AYA"
>
>Bob - kg0rj

Kill-file the threads if you don't want to read them ... otherwise quit
bitching ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:33 1996
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From: Joe G Wesley <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Where can I find calls for commercial license holders
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I have a need to locate some calls and frequencies for commercial license
holders.  Is there an online database similar to the various ham call
lookups like QRZ ??

If you can send me in the right direction, please email me at
[e-mail]

73's

joe
N5RMA



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Hi Jamie,

APRS will probably get more activity with the press it received in Sept
QST Digital Dimension article.  I ftp'd the program from aprs.rutgers.edu.
Now I'm gonna print the user guide to see what all I can do with it.  I
live in the Philadelphia area.  I'm not sure if there is any activity
around here.  I do see lots of activity in 2 land on 145.790.

73 de Ron NY3J



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Dana Myers wrote:

>
> If you don't have some kind of emergency transmitter to start
> with, you're not going to have a transmitter.  If you have an
> emergency transmitter, you've got a chance.  If your emergency
> transmitter is capable of automatically calling for help without
> human intervention, then you can free one more human to help
> with the more important job of getting people into lifeboats
> with adequate supplies.

Well, this is not entirely correct.  First, a CW transmitter is a very
simple device, easily repaired, specially if tube type and/or non-
synthesized.  Even in regular boating I have encountered bad microphones
and the like, or the set sends carrier with no modulation.

If I was a radio officer on a ship, and out of port on the high
seas I burnt out an irreplaceable component on a voice transmitter,
I am pretty sure that in a day or two I could rig it up to work on
CW.  In fact, this happens often.

Now, should the boat be sinking, there is a chance to send a CW SOS.
With call sign and everything.  But if all you have is a voice-only
rig, no way to key it, and don't know the code to boot then there is
not much of a chance.  These are not movie plots, because in 99.99999%
of the time when the marine operator rigs up CW only capability, the
ship makes an uneventful voyage and the needed spares can be obtained
before the next sailing.

Makes a lot of sense for marine operators to have technical knowledge
and know CW.  However, money has reared its ugly head, and the
american shipping firms do not want to pay several union salaries
at maybe $70K - $100K each per year, plus benefits etc.  So they
dreamed up this GMDSS stuff, and are doing away with the morse code
in a few years.

The coast guard did it sooner.  In the older days, a lot of kids
joined the military with ham radio experience, or just running
telegraph wires thru the neighborhood.  Nobody does that anymore,
and it is a lot cheaper to buy ONE or TWO $10,000 radios than
pay $300K each year for a properly trained operator.  Under GMDSS,
anybody (but usually the bridge crew) can get the GMDSS operator
license.  On board technicians are not required if redundant equipment
is carried and an outside company does the maintenance.  This is
usually the manufacturer if they have a program for the boat to
return non-working gear in exchange for a working one.  There is the
option to take a GMDSS repair person, instead of spares and/or the
maintenance/swap contract, but this person will probably be a $100K
union salary.  So don't expect to see many of them.

By the way, I am all in favor of NO-CODE testing.  It is just that
I like CW, am a CW man and would settle for continued c.w. subbands
even if the test went all no-code.

Ramon, AL7X, Nome, Alaska


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:36 1996
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From: ken coleman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity call regions
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 23:46:29 -0400
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jerry wang wrote:
>
> A question about Vanity Callsigns... When you pick a callsign, do you
> have to use the region number that you are in?  For example, I am in
> California (region 6), so do I have to choose callsigns like K6JKL,
> W6JKL, N6JKL, etc.
> Can I choose other region numbers, like K9JKL, W5JKL, N0JKL, etc..
>
> If you know the answer to this question, please post in this thread so
> others can read it as well.
>
> --
> Jerry H. Wang
> California State University Northridge
> School of Engineering and Computer Science
> Email: [e-mail]
> Web: www.csun.edu/~hbcsc274You can go to other regions, other than Alaska, H
awaii, etc.



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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
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Subject: Re: VANITY CALAMITY
Date: 2 Oct 1996 05:12:19 GMT
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: first serve basis!  But, then again I guess the saying, "I'm from the
: government and I'm here to help you" applies.  NOT!!

        Well to be fair there has been so much noise from so many different
sources it's amazing that _anything_ is halfway understood at best.

        There are some very good people who work in government everyday.
They are just not the people who make the decisions or the rules ;-P

        My understanding of everything now is even more clouded.  I
'believe' from several past ARRL press releases that they were going
to take "one" days mail i.e. the 23rd. and process that in one block
in what I call random order via the computer system.  Is this correct?
If it was not done this way it would not make sense.

        _R.K.  N6WDV




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Just found out that all this fuss about getting applications in on the
opening day of gate 2 was a BIG waste of time.  First in first out
doesn't apply.  It's a big "lottery" system (as it was described in a
WWW page). All info is being entered into a computer and entries will be
selected at random and their respective call signs issued.  I thought I
remember reading that calls were supposed to be issued on a first come
first serve basis!  But, then again I guess the saying, "I'm from the
government and I'm here to help you" applies.  NOT!!


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:40 1996
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From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:16:20 -0400
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Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>
>            [e-mail] "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" writes:
>
> > Of course that issue is moot now...and the fee is $30 up front, and $30
> > or more every ten years.
>
> The ten year anniversary is unlikely to coincide with license
> renewal.  Does the FCC have the power to revoke licences for which
> the vanity fee remains unpaid?  Or will the FCC change the call to
> one they judge to be less `vain' for free and for no fee at all,
> after explaining to congress that such a change costs them money.
>
> This program of rented calls is a can of worms.
>
> Regards,
> --
>    Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
>                                                 [e-mail]
>                                         packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na

Tony:

Ten years from now at renewal, if a fee is still required--but if it is
not paid as required, the FCC will probably give that licensee 30-90
days to pay up.  Then, if no fee shows up, the FCC would probably
reassign a sequentially-issued call sign from the, then current, call
sign block for the persons license class.

73,

--Bart KB9NM

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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:42 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Speed writing with Morse code
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 05:33:22 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Does anyone have experience using speed writing or shorthand while
> copying morse code.  I am approaching my handwriting limit as far as code
> speed ( around 25 wpm ).  I know at real fast speeds words are copied but
> I would still like to write the message down.

Well, handwriting does get limited to 25-30 wpm, specially if long
text is copied, your hands turn to stiff clubs!

Shorthand is no good.  It is harder to learn than the code; and
many things said in radio bands have no shorthand notation.
Things like call signs, signal reports, RST, QTH, 73 etc etc need
to be spelled out, so shorthand will only save you maybe 5 - 10% of
the writing.  Clearly not worth the effort.

On the other hand, you can type the copied code pretty fast.  Ted
McElroy, the all time cw code champ could copy code and type it
out in excess of 80 wpm.

If you do not know how to type, it will take you maybe six months
of one hour a day schooling to get up to decent speed, like 60
Wpm and up.  It is a worthwhile learning skill.

On a computer keyboard, with a word processor that wraps lines, it
is duck soup to type it out.  I like to use all capital letters
as then you don't have to keep track of the shift.  You might need
to reprogram a key or two so it prints out correctly instead of the
other shift state character.

The military taught us guys to copy code and type it out in these
olive-drab Underwood or Royal manual typewriters.  They were horrible.
But they made good copy and a lot faster than hand writing and not
so tiring.

Be advised that even if you are a good typist, there is a degree of
mental coordination needed to copy code and type at the same time.
You will find that you can listen to the code, but not type it, or
you can type and lose track of the QSO!  Kinda like rubbing your
stomach and patting your head.  This is because the BRAIN part
that does the code seems to be the same part that does the typing,
(at least for us 35 wpm guys!) and until your brain finds different
neurons and trains them to handle both jobs at the same time, you
will find that 5 wpm will try your skills at both code and typing.
However, keep at it and in a few weeks your speed will shoot right
back up again.

If you do this only ocassionaly, lioke copying weather reports on
c.w. and things like that, or ARRL bulletins, it is much easier to
copy them to a casette recorder and then play it back at half speed.
You need a 2-speed tape deck for this, and they are commonly sold
for taping telephone conversations.  Some microcasette recorders
also have 2 speeds, and many have variable speed.  Secretaries
use it to record conversations, and then slow it down to transcribe
on paper.  The voice gets lower pitched, but not hard to follow.
Ditto for CW sound.

Ramon, AL7X, Nome, Alaska


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:44 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Please, folks...
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 05:35:44 -0800
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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> In <52s4s7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail](Robert Ben
nett) writes:
> >The motion to "End Discussion of Morse Code on r.r.a.m. " has been
> >moved and seconded, All those in favor say "AYA"
> >
> >Bob - kg0rj
>
> Kill-file the threads if you don't want to read them ... otherwise quit
> bitching ...

Well, not bitching, but I have to say AYA to this suggestion.
Not only would we not bother the r.r.a.m group, but if we want to
talk Morse, we know exactly where to find our favorite targets
for flames!

Ramon, AL7X, Nome, Alaska


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:45 1996
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From: Doug Slate <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC License Processing Time...
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 09:53:04 -0400
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Robert Bennett wrote:
>
> Well getting the piece of paper could take 3 weeks, but why not just
> check on the Internet Fcc servers and watch for the issuance of the
> call sign.  Once issued, the person is able to use it on the air.
>
> >
> >Can anyone tell me approximately what the waiting time is nowdays from
> >VE submission to Call issuance to receipt of license in the mail?
> >
I took my exam last year, may 1995. It was a friday. I called and got my
call-letters on the next wednsday. The following (A little over one
week) monday, I got my license in the mail. Hope this helps.

--
73's from Doug, KF4ABM
<<Where do I place the stamp?>>

Come visit me at: http://www.nrv.net/~dougs


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:46 1996
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From: Larry Deering <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vain CW op Calculates
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 07:13:03 -0700
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The wait for Gate 2 results lets us rethink CW, bandwidth, etc. For instance,
the number of applications on day one is roughly 4000. If the FCC typist is
actually one CW op running 20 WPM, how much longer than three weeks (the
estimate to input all of the calls) would it take?

Each form has the current call, and 25 requested calls, for a total of 26. If
you assume each call is a word, that's 26 words per form. Of course, the
requested calls tend to be very short (N2EE vs. KJ0QJY for instance!).

The time for one CW op @20 wpm = (4000*26)/20  minutes, or 5200 minutes, or
86 hours 40 minutes, which is two work weeks and a day.

A real cw op would be faster of course, sending the same 1x2 calls over and
over again.

sigh!
Larry Deering, WA2YTE


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:47 1996
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From: Rick Perry <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Gooooood!
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 07:35:59 -0700
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Michael Herrron wrote:
>
> Bottom line is that there will allways be us CW ops on the ham
> bands. If for no other reason than that it is fun, and not so hard
> to use after you have applied yourself to it to get some speed up
> to a reasonable clip say 25 to 30 wpm. Iam sure alot of people
> would rather everything be handed to them like welfare and
> unemployment but they have little or no real dedication to their
> plight. They will be here today and gone tomarrow. Allways looking
> for an easier way to to get something they won't appreciate much in
> the end anyway. The best thing I've seen happen since no-code is a
> big increase of quality used VHF ham gear available from those who
> only have marginal interest in hamming. I bought a almost new
> FT-5100 for 300 bucks a year ago from such a person and he threw in
> about another $150 worth of ARRL publications and mobile antennas!!
I agree, code is good!!  AMEN


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Lawrence Ober)
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Subject: QST all New England Clubs
Date: 2 Oct 1996 14:58:56 GMT
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QST all NE Amateur Radio Clubs

The Council of Eastern Massachusetts Amateur Radio Clubs (CEMARC) will be
holding a meeting at the ARRL NE Division Convention in Boxboro.  The meeting
is on Sunday 10/6 from 9:00 - 11:00 AM.  All NE clubs are invited to send a
representative.  This will be an informal forum for sharing ideas and
information relative to club activities.  All convention attendees are
welcome.  We will also be hosting a special event - the two candidates for ARR
L
NE Division Director will participate in a 30 minute Q&A panel.  We look
forward to seeing you in Boxboro.

Please help disseminate this information by any and all means.  Also, please
note the printed mailing had a typo indicating the meeting was only from 10:00

- 11:00 rather than 9:00 - 11:00 AM.

73
Larry Ober KC1VS
ARRL Affiliated Club Coordinator EMA Section



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:50 1996
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From: Stan Vandiver <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VANITY CALAMITY
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 08:21:00 -0700
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joseph barros wrote:
:>
:> Just found out that all this fuss about getting applications in on
the
:> opening day of gate 2 was a BIG waste of time.  First in first out
:> doesn't apply.  It's a big "lottery" system (as it was described in a
:> WWW page). All info is being entered into a computer and entries will
be
:> selected at random and their respective call signs issued.  I thought
I
:> remember reading that calls were supposed to be issued on a first
come
:> first serve basis!  But, then again I guess the saying, "I'm from the
:> government and I'm here to help you" applies.  NOT!!

Well... maybe not *too big* of a waste of time -- I'd still rather be in
the Day 1 lottery than Day 2's or Day 3's, etc.

Best regards,
Stan/KD9BE (but not for long maybe...)


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Christofanelli)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help - recharging nicad batteries
Date: 2 Oct 1996 20:03:15 GMT
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Robert G. Strickland ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is it okay to keep nicads in the recharger for extended periods of
: time?...

You'll probably get many responses on this, but here goes anyway.  I
haven't posted in a while :-).

It all depends on the charge rate.  It's most likely *not* ok to leave
nicads on a C/10 charge rate forever.  A C/10 charge rate generally
charges nicads in 14-16 hours.  For example, my Yaesu wall charger
delivers about 60 ma and charges my 600 maH battery in about 15 hours.
After that, the battery starts heating and you'll eventually lose
battery capacity.

How much can you jam in there "forever" and not hurt the battery but
yet keep it fully charged?  I'm not sure there's a clear answer.
Probably something in the range of C/50 to C/100.  Perhaps others
will have some good data...

-Paul C.  KG0CZ


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:52 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: question for carl and the no code group
Date: 2 Oct 1996 23:41:00 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:
>I think 5 years after the morse requirment is dropped, there will be
>millions of new hams, 98 percent running exclusively SSB, most with KW or
>better linears. So yes, the percentage of morse users will be reduced
>thereby.
>

I think 2-3 million would be great ... and is probably achieveable with
modern licensing requirements and rules and regs that are in keeping
with today's technology and not artificially restrictive on waveforms,
coding, bandwidth, etc.  This would be "a good thing."


>I see the removal of the testing requirement as a further lowering of the
>entrance requirements for ham radio.  If the theory and math tests are
>made more difficult to compensate, then we'll have more engineers and
>fewer non-technical trades and professions in ham radio, and I don't see
>that as necessarily a good thing.  Besides, why would the tests need
>stiffening, if the morse test requirement is dropped?
>

I don't think that the tests should be made SO hard that ONLY  engineers
could pass ... plumbers and carpenters and others can learn the theory,
too.  There would be significantly more engineers, though ... with
modern rules and a lifting of the Morse "choke hold."  That would be a
good thing ... more technically competent folks to Elmer the
non-electronics professionals and help them to learn more about how
their radios work ...

>Will morse survive? I think the better question is, will ham radio
>survive.

Ham radio will not survive two decades into the 21st century if we DON'T
make these   modernizing changes ...


>I hope you will enjoy it through all the QRM, when all those millions of
>new hams get their KW SSB rigs on the air. The only happy people are
>likely to be the equipment manufacturers, who will become much wealthier.
>

New technogies will actually REDUCE QRM while supporting far more
users/MHz than present ...  SSB (as you know it) will gradually be
replaced with newer techniques yielding greater efficiencies.

KW amplifiers will become passe as everyone begins to use better
modulation and encoding schemes that permit more reliable communications
with less power ... and radios that automatically enforce the "use the
minimum power necessary" rule ...  in time, using a KW amplifier will be
frowned on in most applications as being "extremely wasteful" and
impolite (much like running too much power through the satellite
transponders and hogging the transponder power is viewed today)

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Gagnon LU/VE6TN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio Propogation Software Required
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Does anyone know of a good piece of DOS or Windows Radio Propogation
Software and if so, where I can FTP it?? Your help is greatly appreciated.


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: To the no-code advocates re: "Sam Morse"
Date: 2 Oct 1996 22:04:03 -0400
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In article <52utt0$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>It's clear that he cannot be/does not want to be reasoned with and is
>totally unwilling to listen to or accept arguments that go against the
>code, no matter how accurate and factual ...

You mean, like, someone who constantly posts code-related messages in
.misc even though they are off-charter and the person has been asked
dozens of times to move their discussion over to .policy, yet refuses?

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From: Kevin Hecht <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: Re: Who's Jamming 9.955?
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 22:06:01 -0400
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Dave Feustel wrote:
>
> I just recently started listening to WMRI (9.955, Miami).
> The last couple of nights there is a tremendous amount of noise
> almost obliterating the station. The noise started as a sound
> like bubbling water. Later a sound somewhat like a radial saw
> came in too. Where is all this jamming coming from and why?
> --
> Dave Feustel            http://feustel.mixi.net
> 219-483-1857            mailto:[e-mail]

WRMI is being jammed by transmitters in Cuba, as the station has been
known to carry anti-Castro programming, mostly in Spanish.
--
Kevin Hecht
College of Commerce and Finance, Villanova University
[e-mail]   [e-mail]
        http://hudson.idt.net/~khecht19/


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Subject: Re: SIERRA SEMICONDUCTOR ANNOUNCES EXIT FROM MODEM CHIP SET
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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"DAVE ABSHIRE" <[e-mail]> writes:

>SIERRA SEMICONDUCTOR ANNOUNCES EXIT FROM MODEM CHIP SET BUSINESS AND
>EARNINGS CHARGE OF $50-80 MILLION

>Company to concentrate on networking and infrastructure semiconductor
>markets

>SAN JOSE, CA --- August 28, 1996 --- Sierra Semiconductor Corporation
>(Nasdaq: SERA) today announced its intention to exit from the Modem chipset
>business and to focus on its existing Networking and Infrastructure

Er ah, did I miss something here? Why is this (interesting but off topic)
news brief posted herein rec.radio.amateur.misc?


JEff

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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Turner)
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Larry Deering <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The wait for Gate 2 results lets us rethink CW, bandwidth, etc. For instance,

>the number of applications on day one is roughly 4000. If the FCC typist is
>actually one CW op running 20 WPM, how much longer than three weeks (the
>estimate to input all of the calls) would it take?
>
>Each form has the current call, and 25 requested calls, for a total of 26. If

>you assume each call is a word, that's 26 words per form. Of course, the
>requested calls tend to be very short (N2EE vs. KJ0QJY for instance!).
>
>The time for one CW op @20 wpm = (4000*26)/20  minutes, or 5200 minutes, or
>86 hours 40 minutes, which is two work weeks and a day.
>
>A real cw op would be faster of course, sending the same 1x2 calls over and
>over again.
>
>sigh!
>Larry Deering, WA2YTE
---------------------------------------------
Yes, but any typist worth his/her salt can do far better than 20 wpm!  Another
reason I like RTTY, but that's a whole 'nother thread.

73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:31:57 1996
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From: "Mark A. Vargas" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.ham-radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave
Subject: FS Icom RC-71A/SP-3/RC-11/QF-1A
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I have an Icom IC-R71A Short-wave receiver for sale with matching Icom
speaker IC-SP3 external speaker and Icom RC-11 remote control. I am also
including the Autek Research QF1A SSb/AM/CW filter.

Condition of the Icom IC-R71A is exceptional. No blemishes, scratches, etc.
Speaker and peripherals are like new including the QF-1A from Autek
Research.

The Icom IC-R71A covers 100Khz-30 Mhz
100 Db of dynamic range
Passband tuning
Adjustable notch filter
Level and pulse width
Selectable noise blanker
Selectable AGC
Filter switches
Keyboard frequency entry
SSB, AM, CW, RTTY and optional FM
32 memory channels
optional CW narrow filters

The package price ids $775.00 Transaction via UPS COD. {Free shipping UPS
COD via UPS regular to CONUS}
The Package is "not" being broken up

Mark
KD2DI
Miami Lakes, Florida


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In <[e-mail]>, Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>
>> >This is 'torture' and a mind '*uck' to say the least, especially after how
>> >many damn government shutdowns due to scum sucking politicians in D.C.?  Y
es
>> >*all* of them.
>
>Well, since I was a Republican delegate at the State convention, let
>me set the record straight, and I think this is pretty bipartisan,
>just history.
>
>The Republicans demanded Clinton sign an agreement to do the budget
>cuts or he would not get the continuing resolution to fund the
>federal government.  Clinton refused and Clinton, not congress,
>mandated the government shut down.  He had the option of continuing
>to run it on reserves, but he did not.
>
>On the other hand, if I was Clinton I would have done the exact same.
>After all, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that no
>one is going to sign a paper agreeing to a budget, when the budget
>has not been turned over to Clinton to look over.  How in the heck
>that Newt and his cronies figured it was remotely fair, not to say
>utterly stupid, to complain about Clinton not agreeing when Clinton
>did not have the damn budget?  Or the Republican's final 2002 deal?
>
>This is where Clinton gained the moral high ground and it looks like
>he is going to have it thru Nov. 5.  Personally, I think Dole would
>make a fine president, and I suspect Clinton will break many of his
>promises, but never mind.  There is no way that Dole is going to win
>this election, thanks to an utterly stupid jump-the-gun act on the
>part of congress.
>
>What uncle Newt should have done is give Clinton a continuing resolution
>for a couple of months, like Clinton and Pannetta wanted, a clean one,
>and then when the budget is finished, present it to Clinton and
>say: heres the budget, sign it, or give us an acceptable counter
>proposal or take the consequences when the continuing resolution
>expires.  This way I think the Republican congress could have kept
>the moral high ground, and, lets face it, it would have been fair.
>The consititution says Congress passes and prepares the budget
>( in fact, I think it says the HOUSE ).
>
>But the way it was done, even I, a true-believer in the Republican
>truth and light was totally apalled.  I won't even mentioned the
>shenanigans at the State Convention.  Even more apalling.  Which I
>might bring up Thursday Oct 3 meeting with Sen. TEd Stevens here in
>Nome.
>
>But I am sure there are a lot of Democrats out there with horror
>stories about their party too.
>
>Hey, this is supposed to be about ham radio!  Hope you get your
>call.  I hate mine.  AL7X sounds worse than my handpicked one KL7FM
>years ago when us extras could pick our call and before the creation
>of 2 x 1 calls.  But all the guys here in Nome tell me to keep AL7X
>instead of reverting to KL7FM (which sounds great on CW!).  So
>I didn't file for gate one (former call) like I could have.
>
>What do you think about my call?  Should I keep AL7X or go back to
>KL7FM ??
>
>Ramon, AL7X, Nome, Alaska



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:00 1996
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From: john fleenor <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Build Power supply
Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 21:20:51 -0700
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visit john's ham page at http://www.why.net/home/jlfleenor for free web
page graphics, ham software, ham links, electronic projects and more!


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From: [e-mail] (david l. thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Trouble with cq-contest reflector
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[e-mail] (Robert Penneys) wrote:



>Every time I mail to the cq-contest reflector, it bounces. Annd yet, I get
>all the postings. Any ideas? Tnx Bob

Bob,

Somehow your educational address has been shut out.  Get someone to
E-Mail Trey ( I think its [e-mail]) and ask to remove the block.
I had the same problem with mindspring.com.  I also got all the
messages just could not post.

Dave K4JRB



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Please, folks...
Date: 3 Oct 1996 05:44:02 GMT
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Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail](Robert Bennett) writes:

>>The motion to "End Discussion of Morse Code on r.r.a.m. " has been
>>moved and seconded, All those in favor say "AYA"

>Kill-file the threads if you don't want to read them ... otherwise quit
>bitching ...
>Carl - wa6vse
(Tech+ for 21 years)

Anarchy will distroy this newsgroup. .Policy was created to take the
code debate off of this group. How can we respect your views when you
won't even respect the rec.radio.amateur charter that governs these
groups?

In each of my responses to your anti-code fantasies I place rrap
in the header's "followup-to" line, but you always delete it. You're
playing the role of a big bully; you're a perfect example why so many
groups are becoming moderated.

Your newsgroup behavior aligns perfectly with your call for removing
the sub-band plans - the louder and more obnoxious will be the victor.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
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In article <52v5rp$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I think you've hit on something ...  many (not all) in the old guard
>can't face the possibility of having to admit (to themselves, at least)
>that the tests that they passed are "no big deal" ...

Who might these "old guard" people be, Carl? Please post names and quotes
to support this claim.

My reading experiences are just the opposite of yours. I believe most of
us "pro-coders" know full well that the theory exams are next to useless.
We've stated it numerous times, in calling for tougher theory exams before
we'd consider eliminating the code examination.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:03 1996
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Jim Cummings ([e-mail]) writes:

If it is my perogative then why instruct me to go see expositions on this
stuff?
--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help - recharging nicad batteries
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 12:45:19 GMT
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Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Robert G. Strickland wrote:
>>
>> Is it okay to keep nicads in the recharger for extended periods of
>> time? I just bought some nicads, and the packing label says "Leave an
>> extra set on charge continuously to insure fresh battery power
>> whenever you need it." I've never heard/read this before. I've always
>> pulled them off charge after 10-14hrs. Any comments? If you can
>> include an email answer, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

>It depends on the charger, and to some extent on the battery.  There
>are intelligent chargers that will not hurt the battery.  There are
>dumb chargers that stuff amperes into the poor thing until it gets
>all dried out.  Then there are tiny trickle chargers that don't do
>much harm, but any such charger is slow and if left on for weeks and
>months will eventually cook the battery.

>Then, the radio manufacturers make a big markup on batteries.  They
>may want to sell you some!  Here is why.  Those nice little square
>boxes that are the 9.6 volt battery pack for the Super 300 handie
>talkie looks like it is something special.  Well, the plastic box is,
>and made by the thousands might cost $1 each, or maybe much less.

>But inside, there are just standard NiCad cells.  These are available
>in various sizes, the most common are AA size, 2/3 length AA, and
>1/2 length AA.  There are other sizes too.  These can be had with
>solder tabs on them, no tabs like flashlight batteries, or
>weldable ends.  They cost no more than regular AA batteries in single
>quantities and these folk buy in bulk, so a complete set of 8 cells
>for the 9.6 volt example above might cost the manufacturer only
>$2 to $5.  Figure maybe $5 in assembly line labor to stuff the
>batteries in, solder them and glue the lid on.  You have a total
>investment of $10 tops.  Maybe much less.  These batteries sell
>for about $50 to $80 from the radio manufacturer, or they can be
>rebuilt for about half that at several places, with brand new
>Nicads put into your little box.  For popular radios, these battery
>oufits will often just sell you identical battery packs.  Maybe they
>get them from the same source that made the radio for Yaesu, Kenwood
>Alinco, etc.

>You could rebuild it yourself, but sometimes the cells are exotic,
>or they are electronically welded, or the plastic box is glued so
>tight that there is no opening it without damaging it.  And since
>you buy cells at retail price, the cost savinss is probably not worth
>the aggravation.

>Ramon, AL7X, Nome, Alaska.
Nicad batteries are considered to be enviormentally hazardous so the United
States places real high duties on them for import so your $ 2 to 5 price is of
f
mark here.  Maybe if the batteries were made in the U.S. it might be cheaper.
Now that many states are requireing the owner of Nicads to go to a Hazmat
center fro proper disposal of Nicads, may times it costs one to throw away the
Nicads also if the manufacturer has to bear the cost of disposal, the cost goe
s
up.  if you were selling batteries at $ 5.00 and the state of A;aska was
charging you $ 2.00 to dispose the batteries, it is doubtful you would still b
e
selling them for $ 5.00.

Gary

.



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Jordahl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity applications entered at FCC
Date: 3 Oct 1996 15:17:49 GMT
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I made a type in my previous post the correct path is
ftp://www.fcc.gov/pub/XFS_AlphaTest/amateur


Not:
|> ftp://www.fcc.gov/pub/XFZ_AlphaTest/amateur/
|>

|> Dave Jordahl
|> WA0RXM (for now)
|>
|>
|> --
|>  David Jordahl
|>  Tektronix Inc., VND
|>  PO Box 500, MS 58-850, Beaverton, Or. 97077
|>  Email - [e-mail]
|> Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are my own.

--
 David Jordahl
 Tektronix Inc., VND
 PO Box 500, MS 58-850, Beaverton, Or. 97077
 Email - [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Roser)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity applications entered at FCC
Date: 3 Oct 1996 15:47:43 GMT
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In article <530gq7$[e-mail]>,
Dave Jordahl <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Just checked the FCC ftp site this AM and found my application
>had been entered. They are at
>ftp://www.fcc.gov/pub/XFZ_AlphaTest/amateur/
>
>Applications are sorted by zipcode area of origin.
>These are fairly big files 3MB zipped.
>
>Dave Jordahl
>WA0RXM (for now)
>

I think what you found is the 10/2 posting of the ENTIRE FCC amateur
database.  It's good to be in there but it's more than just vanity
applicants.


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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2m Wide Open in Florida
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[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:
>
>[e-mail] (Gerald Schmitt ) wrote:
>
>>I am glad that you are so prepared because every time you slander me
on
>>the net I am going to complain to your ISP. If you choose to slander
me
>>from your place of employment that is your problem. Perhaps we can
>>learn empirically all about your claimed Carte Blance internet account.

>>You see Chris the only recourse I have is to complain to your ISP and
>>ask to have the slander stopped.
>
>No, the other thing you could do Jerry is grow up. You get on here, beg
>for people to beat you up, and when they do, you cry about it.  Act like
an
>adult or go back under your rock.
>
>73, Jim KH2D


Me thinks Jerry has a legitimate gripe here.  Our friend Mr. Greenhalgh
has this nasty habit of slandering certain participants on this newsgroup.


Calling somebody a "liar" is not a nice thing to do.  From a legal
standpoint, it's not very smart, either, unless you have the neccessary
burden of proof to back up your claims.


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Hosler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Lookup address of DL7DF.
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 16:13:39 GMT
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[e-mail] (Floyd Lucas) wrote:

>Can someone lookup the address of DL7DF...  He is not in my
>1994 international callbook.

>thanks in advance

>Floyd        KI7CK

DL7DF is DL7UUO's new call.  Try the following:

Siegfried Presch
Wilhelmsmuehlenweg 123
D-12621 Berlin
Germany

73 & GUD DX  de KN0Z  Gary

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employe
r.


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:11 1996
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From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Theory Question
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 14:10:28 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:

> What Theoretical Meter band has and anttena of infinite gain ?

Gee, what a deep question.  Here's one for you...

How many "advanced" radio amateurs still
don't know how to spell antenna??


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Digital VS. CW Testing
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 00:47:26 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>A test sounds like a good idea, Jim. But the contentless contacts
>you suggest smell like Dx gaming to me. The purpose of communications
>is to communicate, so I suggest we have something to say. Some of
>my digital operator friends and I chirped this test idea over on the
>air after I shared your message with them. We agreed that what we
>need is some standard text to exchange for the test.

>So, after a bit of debate, we decided that we'd just use this message
>that you're reading now, verbatim, including the RFC822 header and the
>sig, as the test message. What we propose is that I will contact as many
>amateurs in as many ITU countries as possible via digital modes, pass this
>message to them, and ask them to mail it to their nation's telecommunication
>authority responsible for WRC-99 planning. You do the same via CW.

>I agreed to mail a copy of the message to each administration with a
>cover letter so that they would have a check text to compare with the
>copies received from amateurs in their countries. This will allow
>them to see how efficiently and accurately their nation's amateurs
>can handle messages with greater than trivial content using various
>text transmission methods. Each forwarding amateur should note below
>the sig of the message the time, date, and mode used to receive the
>message.

>If you are agreeable to this test, I propose that it start on November
>1, 1996 and run through November 30, 1996. We'll let the world's
>telecommunications regulators be the judges of the test. I know there
>are amateurs with digital capability in at least 200 ITU countries,
>because I've worked that many. I assume that there are amateurs with
>Morse capability in all ITU countries. That gives you an edge. Lets
>see what you can make of it. Remember, the message must be delivered
>verbatim to count.

>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |

So, in other words, you don't wanna play. Not with my rules, anyway.
I hadn't envisioned testing the capability of a mode to pass long text message
s.
Certainly digital modes are better for passing long text messages, Gary, as lo
ng
as you pass them point to point and keep them away from BBS systems so they
don't get lost.

The purpose of communications is to communicate......  Has the sole purpose of

ham radio become passing long text messages on HF ?  Is 'DX gaming' no
longer a facet of the hobby that attracts many hams worldwide ?

What I had envisioned was a rather short test to see if the statements about
'nobody is using CW anymore' and 'digital modes are more popular' are true.
Which I could easily win.

What you envision is a test of passing a large amount of data to see if the
the statements 'digital modes are more effective' than CW are true. Which
you would easily win.

You obviously agree that I can make 500 contacts on CW much faster than
you can make 500 contacts on Pactor or Clover.  And I agree that you can
pass long text messages on Pactor or Clover much easier than I can on CW.

So do we both agree that CW and the digital modes have different purposes
on HF as they pertain to amateur radio, and that each would excell under certa
in
conditions ?  Or do we only agree that he who makes the rules wins the test ?

73, Jim KH2D




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Subject: Re: General to Advanced.. re-take code test?
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>
>I'm a tech-plus and have just passed my 13 word-per-minute code
>test. I know that the certificate of completion for the 13 wpm code
>test is good for one year. Assuming I pass the general class
>written exam within a year, is there some time limit for taking
>and passing the advanced class exam? For instance, suppose I
>take and pass the advanced class exam five years later. Will I
>have to retake the 13 wpm code test?
>
>- Gary     KB0QGE


I wouldn't worry about it, Gary.  From all indications, the Morse
requirement will be nothing but an antiquated memory five years from now.
 The ITU will elimanate the international requirement in 1999 (if not
before), and the individual countries will immediately follow suit.

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:14 1996
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From: Avatar <[e-mail]>
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I'd like to get recommendations for a accurate, quality engineered SWR
bridge in the 1 to 5 watt range covering 1.8-30 MHz inclusive. It can be
assembled or kit. Please state model and manufacturer info where I can
get technical details.

my email: [e-mail]

Thanks in advance for your help.

73's
Dave
W0MAY



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From: [e-mail] (Russ)
Subject: TEN-TEN Sprint on 10/10/96
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On Oct. 10th the Ten-Ten International Net, Inc. will sponsor the
10-10 day Sprint Contest. You don't have to be a paid-up member to
participate in the first 10-10 Day Sprint. But if you plan to submit
logs you have to be current with your dues.

For more info, check out the rules on the Ten-Ten WWW page at:

http://www.lehigh.edu/lists/tenten-l/day.html

or you can find the details in the Oct. 1996 QST under Contest Corral
on page 101.

73 de N5EJS
Russ  #1525




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Chandler)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 02:26:58 GMT
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"Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>>
>> In article <[e-mail]>
>>            [e-mail] "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" writes:
>>
>> > Of course that issue is moot now...and the fee is $30 up front, and $30
>> > or more every ten years.
>>
>> The ten year anniversary is unlikely to coincide with license
>> renewal.  Does the FCC have the power to revoke licences for which
>> the vanity fee remains unpaid?  Or will the FCC change the call to
>> one they judge to be less `vain' for free and for no fee at all,
>> after explaining to congress that such a change costs them money.
>>
>> This program of rented calls is a can of worms.
>>
>> Regards,
>> --
>>    Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
>>                                                 [e-mail]
>>                                         packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.n
a

>Tony:

>Ten years from now at renewal, if a fee is still required--but if it is
>not paid as required, the FCC will probably give that licensee 30-90
>days to pay up.  Then, if no fee shows up, the FCC would probably
>reassign a sequentially-issued call sign from the, then current, call
>sign block for the persons license class.

>73,

>--Bart KB9NM

Bart,
  Actually the more likely scenario is that EVERYONE vanity or not
will be paying at least $30 to renew their license.

Jim
N0VAH (or at least until the 23 Sept Extra Vanity Call Lottery results
are announced)



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From: JERRY YOUNG <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: never pay another long distance bill
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JERRY YOUNG wrote:
>
> would you like to never pay another long distance phone bill and
> possibley make some money to if so e-mail me and let me know and i will
> send u some info thanks for checking.


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Watson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: General to Advanced.. re-take code test?
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[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>>
>>I'm a tech-plus and have just passed my 13 word-per-minute code
>>test. I know that the certificate of completion for the 13 wpm code
>>test is good for one year. Assuming I pass the general class
>>written exam within a year, is there some time limit for taking
>>and passing the advanced class exam? For instance, suppose I
>>take and pass the advanced class exam five years later. Will I
>>have to retake the 13 wpm code test?
>>
>>- Gary     KB0QGE


>I wouldn't worry about it, Gary.  From all indications, the Morse
>requirement will be nothing but an antiquated memory five years from now.
> The ITU will elimanate the international requirement in 1999 (if not
>before), and the individual countries will immediately follow suit.

>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM

Drew, I have never been one of those who have flamed you for your
opinions, although I have been reading them regularly, but that answer
was kind of rediculous.  It gave Gary NO useful info and although I
wouldn't mind seeing the code requirements lessened, I am afraid you
are in for a BIG disappointment.  It is FAR from a certainty that the
ITU will eliminate it, and it will almost certainly NOT be an
immediate followup from the member nations even if it does.

Howard B. Watson Jr. - N3TNQ - [e-mail] - Springfield, OH



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Affonso Beato)
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Subject: HamWindows email/web address
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I need the email and/or web address for HamWindows

Thanks

Affonso PU1TAB      [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
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[e-mail] wrote:
: When you have something to say, make sure it's worth listening to.


: "Seek the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
:                                                                   Matt/KK5DR

   Are you trying to wipe out ham radio, plus 99 percent of broadcasting?

K8EF

--
Gerry


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mast for vertical Yagi
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 13:33:29 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>I'd like to put a 2-meter Yagi antenna on the roof of my house. I need
>to polarize it vertically. If I do that, I don't think I can use steel
>or aluminum masts, because they'll interfere with the operation of the Yagi.
>Am I correct? If I am, does anyone have any suggestions?

>- Gary     KB0QGE

Gary, technically speaking, the metal mast would probably have some effect
on the antenna, but minimal.  We all use metal masts for antennas.  For a
crossboom on satellite antennas, my friend came up with a piece of heavy
PVC pipe (hot water type, I think) with a wooden closet pole inside to make
it a bit stiffer.  I use that idea for several years to support VHF/UHF yagis.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Figures of Merit was(Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Paul Flaherty wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>> Dollars are not the relevant figure of merit ... it's an equation like:
>
>Outside of academia, dollars are *the* figure of merit.  Ham Radio purchases
>are *very* cost sensitive.  To claim that you don't care what it costs
>smacks of elitism.

I'd say Carl merely recognizes that even advanced methods are relatively
inexpensive to implement today. Therefore relative equipment costs are
no longer an important factor.

>> (value_of_activity*number_of_users)/(spectral_efficiency)
>
>Buried in this equation is a very dangerous idea:  that some QSOs are more
>valuable than others, an idea wholly repugnant to the First Amendment.

I don't know how the First Amendment enters into this, but there are
certainly differences in the importance of the content of various
messages. Obviously, emergency traffic is more important than a
contentless Dx gaming contact, public serive traffic is more important
than a contentless Dx gaming contact, technical discussions and tests
are more important than contentless Dx gaming contacts, frank exchanges
of views between amateurs of various nations are more valuable than a
contentless Dx gaming contact, etc. The relative importance of any
contact is a function of the nature of the information being exchanged.
If the information exchanged is trivial or non-existant, then the contact
is of little or no value.

A very rough first order figure of merit can be obtained from the rate
of information exchange. That facilitates content exchange, and is thus
a very important factor for any communications system. If in addition we
predicate that on effective bandwidth consumed (whether in one chunk or
in many tiny slivers), we get the metric the FCC likes, bits/sec/Hz, or
in more hammy terms, WPM/Hz.

Given that metric for individual amateur stations, and given the total
available amateur bandwidth, we can then derive a number for the total
information being exchanged on an amateur band at a given time. Maximizing
that metric would be a useful goal. We often can't determine a priori what
particular bit of information will be valuable and what bit will not, but
by maximizing total information exchanged, we can increase the probability
that information of importance will be included in at least some of the
exchanges.

>After all, who can make such a judgement? A more objective figure of merit
>would be:
>
>(# of QSOs)**2 / (Hz) * (Total Equipment Cost)

Buried in that equation is a very dangerous idea, that sheer numbers
of cheap QSOs are of dominant importance, regardless of whether they
contain any information content. The purpose of communications is to
communicate content. If your metric fails to recognize this, it is
merely measuring the number of RF noise sources operating. That might
be useful on Ch 19 CB, or on a California jammer repeater, or for the
warfare on 75m where stations are running "horse races" to see who
can jam K1MAN most effectively, but I don't think it is a very good
metric for the purposes amateur radio is supposed to serve.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <52o0ju$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jamie R. Dean) wri
tes:
>So folks let the code war stop. It is not important. We and wasting
>bandwidth and airspace when we can't change what the FCC and ITU says.

Of course we can change what the FCC says, how do you think you got
that no-code license of yours? It took over a decade of grassroots
politicking, some of it right here on usenet, to get that implemented.
The only difference at HF is that we have to influence the ITU as well
due to the treaty requirement. We have an opportunity to do that via WRC99.
The preparatory processes for that conference are under way *right now*
in the ITU member countries. This is a pivotal moment, S25 may not
be revisited again for decades to come after WRC99. The shape of amateur
radio for the 21st century is at stake here.

This is not a waste of time, talent, or energy, much less "bandwidth".
The thing you have to realize about "bandwidth" in the context you're
using it is that the amount you don't use today is gone forever. You
can't conserve it for a rainy day.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:23 1996
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From: "DAVE ABSHIRE" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood HF radios in Truck Stops?
Date: 4 Oct 1996 15:39:01 GMT
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I saw it posted some where that Kenwood Radios where going to be sold in
Truck Stops. I had to go see for myself if there was any truth to the
rumor, and this is what I found at there Web Sight......This is best viewed
with screen Maximized....
                                                                                Dave



AN IMPORTANT POLICY ANNOUNCEMENT FROM KENWOOD


Over the past several months, QST has reported that Kenwood is selling our
Amateur products to CB stores and Truck Stops. We want to make it clear
that this is just not true.

For years Kenwood has received thousands of requests from small electronics
retailers as to how to become Authorized Amateur dealers. The majority of
these requests came from Amateurs who live in communities with Amateur
clubs and repeater groups. Considering that 18 states had no Authorized
Kenwood dealer and 26 more states with only 1 Kenwood dealer, we agreed
with these individuals that more local representation of Amateur radios and
accessories was needed. Although mail-order opportunities provide low
prices, it is clear that new people in the hobby want to "see" what they
were purchasing and have the opportunity to go to their local dealer to
purchase accessories and receive operating tips. Traveling 100's of miles
was simply not practical. In addition, Kenwood also felt that exposing more
people to ham radio is good for growth of the hobby. It's seems perfectly
logical that smaller stores with Amateur Radio departments could exist in
local areas.

The problem Kenwood faced was how to provide radios to these numerous small
dealers. The decision was made to use well known established distributors
who could sell radios to those businesses. Our distributors were carefully
selected and interviewed. Some were selling Amateur related products and
accessories. All these distributors understand their responsibilities in
regards to the sale of Amateur products for licensed use only.

Kenwood is also working hard with others in the Amateur radio community to
help improve public awareness of the Amateur Radio Service. Soon, we will
have available a 25 page introduction brochure about Amateur Radio. This
brochure is designed for adults as well as children who are interested in
learning about Amateur Radio. We will also offer special Kenwood FCC
license study guide packages with special prices for clubs and schools.

In closing, Kenwood wants everyone to know that we are deeply committed to
Amateur Radio. We believe our plans to encourage more licensed Amateur
operators is in keeping with this commitment.

NOTICE TO AMATEUR RADIO PURCHASERS

Transmitting on an Amateur Radio requires an FCC Amateur Radio License. A
license is written authorization to operate an Amateur radio station.
Without this FCC license to operate, you are subject to a serious fine from
the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).

It's easy and fun to become a member of the Amateur Radio Service.

Contact the American Radio Relay League for more information about how to
get a license.

PHONE [phone]
FAX [phone]
INTERNET http://www.arrl.org
| Home |


------------------------------------------------------------------------
09/20/96 ⌐ Kenwood Communications Corporation




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:24 1996
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From: [e-mail](Robert Bennett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Suffixes to amateur call signs
Date: 4 Oct 1996 18:56:42 GMT
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In <530ueq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>What do the suffixes attached to amateur call signs mean?
>For instance, the "7" in "KA0AAA/7", or the "AE" in "K0BB/AE"?
>
>- Gary     KB0QGE


Gary,
The number after the suffix is the call area from which the op is
working from since it it different from the call zone of his license.
That is, he was issued a "zero" call, but is working from a "7" call
zone.

The letters after the suffix are for upgrades.  Signing "kt" means
temporary tech plus, the license has not be issued to reflect the
upgrade.  Same with "AG" for general, "AA" for advanced and "AE" for
Extra.  An op can sign his call with the added letters as soon as he
has upgraded with a Certificate of passing those elements.  A general
that has just upgraded to advanced can get on the HF bands a go to the
advanced portion of the band and give his call with "temp AA" and would
do so until the new license arrives from the FCC showing the new class,
and or call sign.


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 4 Oct 1996 18:33:17 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Try tuning across HF today. If you can't find room to squeeze in
>another QSO, you aren't trying very hard. The bands simply are not
>full to capacity. Until they are, people aren't going to be highly
>motivated to abandon methods in which they have large sunk costs
>in order to adopt more efficient techniques.

I suspect that in a few more years, given no increase in the number of
amateurs on HF, that "free" frequencies will be harder and harder to
find, simply due to changing propagation characteristics. Its easy to
have 100,000 people share limited space when two people a couple
hundred miles away from each other can't hear one another. Its another
thing entirely when you can work Australia on a pen-knife.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:27 1996
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From: John Siegel <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SB200 Information Needed
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 23:24:20 +0000
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Can someone tell me the values of the resistors in the high voltage
metering circuit of the SB200. I need to repair my Dad's amp and I would
like to have the right components on hand. The schematic lettering is
getting a bit small for him but is 3 4.7M resistors right?
Thanks es 73
John K4BNC


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:28 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 5 Oct 1996 01:31:53 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Howard Coleman W6HQA <[e-mail]> writes:
>These events can happen and did happen during the Northridge quake in
>California.  I'm six miles from the center of that one.  The only
>method we had of getting through on a consistent basis was hf cw.
>Why?  Because this area is surounded by mountains and vhf just was not
>cutting it.  CW got through  with reliability.
>

So would have CLOVER or PACTOR (or SSB) ...

Having been associated with a large, wide area VHF/UHF system in SOCAL
for many years (with equipment on all the major mountaintops in
well-designed commercial buildings with backup generators AND our own
batteries) I can assure you that the biggest volumes of traffic handled
in emergency situations in California nowadays are handled on FM and
packet ... with packet playing an ever-increasing role ...

Our system was closely associated with the state Office of Emergency
Services, and provided support thereto ... (one of my co-directors of
the system was in charge of communications for that government agency)

So, without attempting to question your sincerity or your motives, I
feel compelled to label your "glowing testimonial of how CW saved the
world again" as yet another example of a wishfully-exagerated "Morse
Myth" ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Suffixes to amateur call signs
Date: 5 Oct 1996 05:08:07 GMT
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Anthony R. Gold ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Yup, but the /6 really relates to being away from the location of the
: address on the Station License rather than being away from the region
: of call district.  For example, if Jim moved to California and
: changed the address on the Station License (actually now just the
: mailing address for the single Operator and Station License) then if
: he was at home he would sign KH2D in California, it would be KH2D/6
: when travelling near to his new home and KH2D/2 when visiting his old
: haunts.

Have they changed the rules in the US? It used to be that you used the
/n suffix whenever operating out of district.

If that is still true - then, in the above example, it would be KH2D
while operating anywhere in the 6th district and KH2D/n when operating
in any other district - e.g. KH2D/2 while in the second district.

Bill


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Mast for vertical Yagi
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In article <5315b2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>I'd like to put a 2-meter Yagi antenna on the roof of my house. I need
>to polarize it vertically. If I do that, I don't think I can use steel
>or aluminum masts, because they'll interfere with the operation of the Yagi.
>Am I correct? If I am, does anyone have any suggestions?
>
>- Gary     KB0QGE

There will be some interaction, but it usually is not serious.
In some cases, such as circularly polarized satellite antennas,
the introduction of a metal mast into the antenna near field
does significantly disturb pattern circularity, and non-metallic
masts should be used instead. But for most uses, don't worry
about it.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:31 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
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Although set up as a DX Reference Page, you will also find info on:

Operating QRP, Beacons, Q-signals, CW Abbreviations, Maps, Distance and
Bearings, WWV Summaries.

10-10 International, County Hunters, QSL Info, Grid Squares,
Mail Lists - On line, 1000+ Ham Links, Parts Suppliers, Antenna Pages,
Tech Data Links, Antique Radio Links, Visiting San Diego.

And Much More at:

http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Suggestions Welcome.

73
Rod In San diego
--
Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Lubash)
Subject: Re: HF Amateur Radio
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In article <01bbb25d$2649e420$76070ccf@jim-reid-1>
"Jim Reid" <[e-mail]> writes:

> There has been much posted about data through put rates,
> capacity,  efficiency,  etc on these newsgroups of late,
> mostly to point up the antiquity surrounding CW!  However,
> much has been implied that these other alternative,  modern,
> though not new techniques are better.
>
> Well then,  to what purpose have radio amateurs used the
> HF bands,  that is up to 30 mHz?
>
> Since the most early days of the hobby,  the thrill of THE CONTACT
> has been the lure of HF;  certainly not quantity nor "quality" of data,
> other than the essentials to be sure a real contact had occured.  This
> was also true for Marconi,  Tesla and Hertz--did he hear me,  and I DID
> hear him and responded.

BIG SNIP

> So again,  until the nature of what goes on within the HF amateur
> bands changes,  I suspect the modes in use will not see much
> change.  What we need now are sunspots to make the propogation
> God smile on these bands once again;  that way we can operate
> more hours per day trying to throw our signals to the other side of
> the planet on as many of the nine HF bands as we possibly can!
> That is what is fun!!
>
> 73,  Jim, AH6NB
-------------------------------

Well put!!!

The fun and thrill of the contact is the thrugh-put


Richard, N1VXW
-------------------------------------------------

Richard Lubash
N1VXW
email [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:33 1996
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From: "Davis Straub" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New copy of license
Date: 5 Oct 1996 21:45:58 GMT
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Oops, I found it.

LOST LICENSES

If you have lost your license, you can obtain a duplicate by
writing to: FCC, 1270 Fairfield Rd, Gettysburg PA
17325-7245; indicating that you lost your license and that
you are requesting that a replacement license be issued to
you.  You may fax your request to FCC at 717-337-1541.
--
   \\\^///
  < ò┐ò >
     ~

Notice the new address ([e-mail])

Davis Straub
co-author with Brian Livingston of "Windows 95 Secrets Gold," IDG Books,
Inc.
"Windows 95 Secrets ... is the Jaws of Life for Windows 95 users."
http://www.halcyon.com/davis/secrets.htm
Seattle, Washington

Davis Straub <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbb305$8a35a340$31111dcc@davis-p166>...
> My wallet was stolen with my license in it.
>
> I've looked around the web for instructions on how to get a new one, but
> didn't find anything.
>
> Could you be so good as to point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>    \\\^///
>   < ò┐ò >
>      ~
>
> Notice the new address ([e-mail])
>
> Davis Straub
> co-author with Brian Livingston of "Windows 95 Secrets Gold," IDG Books,
> Inc.
> "Windows 95 Secrets ... is the Jaws of Life for Windows 95 users."
> http://www.halcyon.com/davis/secrets.htm
> Seattle, Washington
>


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:34 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Antw: Re: Hopeless to run HF voice at 100 watts?
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 96 22:28:46 GMT
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In history it was written:
>
>
> Thanks to all who replied! Its good to know that is hope at 100 watts.
>
> I'll have to work in this, as it is quit hard being on the first floor
> and surrounded by neighbors on all sides and above. When my lease is
> up, I'll have to do some serious prospecting on a more suitable apartment.
>

Lucky us people of Holland (or if you prefer: The Netherlands), since our
powerlimit used to be 100 Watts, so no discussion neccesary.
Nowadays the limit has been raised to 400 Watts PEP.

----
+-----------------------------------+
|  Henk                             |
|      'Hank Panthouse'             |
|                  Broekhuizen      |
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|     email: [e-mail]    |
+-----------------------------------+

+-----------------------------------+
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|            than to fade away      |
+-----------------------------------+



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RIP MARS CW
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Kevin Jessup  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail]. wrote:

>> As of 0000 UTC 1 October 1996 CW is prohibited on
>> frequencies controlled by the US Department of Defense
>> including MARS frequencies.

>> Paraphrasing Samuel Morse, "What God hath wrought the DoD
>> hath put asunder."

>I believe the Luddites had similar words
>when the industrial revolution arrived.

Speaking of Luddites, are you still communicating with a microphone,
Kevin? Voice is just about as old as Morse sent via CW, you know.

KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:36 1996
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Subject: NRD 535 crystal filters wanted /to exchange
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I intend to replace some of the filters in my NRD535, so if anyone has
the replacement Crystal filters for the 535 at a good price, I may be
interested. I also have a 1.8khz filter for the NRD  that I would like
to exchange for for the 300hz, 500hz or possibly the 1000hz, so if you
have these, but are mainly interested in SSB, please contact by email

Also wanted, the Bandwidth Control Board for the NRD535.
I am in the UK.

Regards,

Joe Kirlew


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:37 1996
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From: Patrick Cook <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Please, folks...
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 20:13:00 -0600
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On 1 Oct 1996, Robert Bennett wrote:

> The motion to "End Discussion of Morse Code on r.r.a.m. " has been
> moved and seconded, All those in favor say "AYA"
>
> Bob - kg0rj
>
>
> In <[e-mail]> Mark Brown <[e-mail]>
> writes:
> >
> >Derek Wills wrote:
> >>   Please take the Morse code discussions back to r.r.a.policy,
> that's
> >
> >I second the motion, anybody else tired of this being cross posted?

In light of MARS' announcement to drop all CW nets, I would have to say
"AYA!" too.

Patrick Cook, KB0OXD
Denver, Colorado



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From: Patrick Cook <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: New copy of license
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 21:11:28 -0600
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On 5 Oct 1996, Davis Straub wrote:

> My wallet was stolen with my license in it.
>
> I've looked around the web for instructions on how to get a new one, but
> didn't find anything.
>
> Could you be so good as to point me in the right direction?

Have you tried submitting a Form 610 with the explaination that your
license was stolen???  Do you still have the wall section???  If so,
one would think that Xeroxing that and a 610 should do the trick.

Dunno if it can be done online though.

Hope this helps.....

Patrick Cook, KB0OXD
Denver, Colorado
[e-mail]

P.S.:  A photocopy of the wallet section of your license IS just as valid
       as the real thing.  Just an FYI for future reference.  :-)



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:38 1996
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In <536gk8$[e-mail]>, gbostick@luna (Wish I knew) writes:
>In many of the HF amps for amateur radio there is a cw/ssb switch that
>changes the plate voltage from low on cw to high on ssb. I have read that
>this is to maintain efficiency at the different power inputs used. The
>high plate voltage makes sense, in that for a given power level a lower
>current would be required. To run at a lower voltage, thus requiring a
>higher current at a given power does not make sense. So, if you can run
>1000W input with 2500V @ 400MA, what is the reason for lowering the
>voltage to 1700V and then having to push 588MA ?  What is the criteria for
>selecting the lower voltage value?
>
>This is an equal opportunity question open to all that would like to share
>their answers, as I am a bit weak in the hi pwr linear amp design
>department.
>
>-gary
>[e-mail]


 Hi,

 It changes the operating point of the tube, like class A, AB, B, C. In CW you
 typically run class C. It's a point on the characteristic curve of the tube t
hat
 dictates how much plate current flows with a certain level of bias. (grid vol
tage)
 Go with the higher voltage, and tune the plate to keep within the legal limit
.
 Most tubes drive easier with a higher plate voltage. Go to your local library
 or
 maybe some local old timer may have the Eimac 'Care and Feeding of Power
 Grid Tubes'. It does a great job of explaining the whole deal with load lines
,
 impedances, and all. They're not too tough to understand. Only the Gate 2
 Vanity Call operation is beyond comprehension. Cheers!

                             Jim -  WD9AHF



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Conklin (n0pav))
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Subject: Re: Vanity Call Delay.
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 05:44:48 GMT
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On Sat, 05 Oct 1996 23:49:55 -0400, "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>I just read the ARRL Bulletin regarding a possible 4 to 5 week
>delay in processing Day-1 applications due to lack of personnel
>to do data entry... Hmmmmm?  I bet I can find, oh say, 4500 people
>who would enter at least one each for free! =)

Let's see: 4500 on the first day, at $30 a pop = $135,000.
Figure the average governmental key-puncher in Gettysburg makes under
$30,000 a year - the *FIRST DAY* of gate 2 should pay the salary of 4
new employees for the next 365 days.

Let us be generous and give them 2 minutes to enter each application
**very carefully** - this means the 4 employees should do 960
applications in an 8 hour work day.  This means that all of the 4500
+/- applications received on 9/23 should have been completed no later
than Monday 9/30.

Seems to me, there are not enough people entering forms, or they are
trying their damnest to convince me that all government workers are
lazy non-productive slags (which they are not).

Mind you- my 4 employee estimate assumes a full year's employment,
when they could certainly justify getting some temp clericals for 2
months- lets say $15 an hour to be really generous - assuming 40 hour
work weeks, 8 weeks total - this would afford 28 employees.

Seems to me our $30 isn't buying much in the way of "administrative
burden support."

Oh well- at least the basic license in the US is still free (for now
at least......)
Chris Conklin, Amateur Radio: N0PAV
444.65mhz, PL 136.5   --  Cedar Falls  IA
Home: 319-266-2761, pager: 319-235-8328


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:42 1996
From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Bill" writes:

> There was at least one other candidate that I know of who had the
> required number of signatures on a petition who outwardly, at least,
> fulfilled all the requirements to run in the election.  But, since his
> politics did not pass muster, the headquarters staff found some arcane
> rule which barred his running in the election.

Would you please state the plain facts.  Your editorial slant without
the facts tells me only that you have some unspecified grudge, but
not what it is.

What was the rule that tripped your friend, why do you say that it is
arcane and in what way did your friend fail to comply with that rule?

Are you really now proposing that the headquarters staff should
comply with some of the rules but not others, and does your friend
feel that same way?  If he does, then I and perhaps many more members
will be relieved that his nomination was disqualified.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.dx
Subject: Re: S1 sealand
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 09:22:05 GMT
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morice stephane <[e-mail]> wrote:

>(sorry for bad english ...) I'm trying to get some infos about
>principalty of sealand which have unofficial ham call-sign S1. sealand is
>located in international waters near UK and it is a man made island,
>which was build during WWII, it's now an unofficial country.

  One of the ham radio magazines in the United States called "73 Magazine"
carried an article on Sealand about 10 years ago.  This article included
pictures and a history of the "country".  I haven't heard anything about it
since then.

  If you can find someone with a library of back issues of "73", perhaps
you can look it up.  I'd say the issue was between 1983 and 1987.
Maybe someone in the amateur newsgroups (I'm crossposting this to a couple
of likely sources) knows the exact issue.

======== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author =========
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)| "I don't want to achieve
Chairman, Tar Heel Scanner/SWL Group| immortality through my work.
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA   | I want to achieve it through
Energy/Recycling BBS 704-547-3114   | NOT DYING."     -- Woody Allen
==== [e-mail] == [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]====



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:45 1996
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From: John Evans <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] writes
>Finally, I am looking for a design of a loop antenna similar to the
>KIWA MW loop. Unfortunately, I can't possibly afford the 350 UKP price
>of the KIWA, much as I would like to buy it, so building a similar
>design(balanced loop with DG Mosfet amplifier and bandwidth control)
>is the only alternative. Has anyone built a design by GF Maynard
>called the "WQ medium wave loop". This appeared in the UK "Shortwave
>magazine" in November 1986, and looks very impressive. However, the
>construction is VERY complex, so I would like to gather any opinions
>before starting on the project myself.
>
Joe, Graham Maynard has several ready made loop antenna design's and
builds them to customer preferences.

For info on these and other loop items, contact....

[e-mail]

This is the reprint service of the Medium Wave Circle, a UK based club
specifically catering for the Medium / Longwave listener. Magazine
reprints are available which cover a vast number of topics pertaining to
the Medium and Longwaves.

Regards,
--
John Evans. G7CEC.   "....tis better to have listened and not heard,
                          than never to have listened at all."



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Please, folks...
Date: 6 Oct 1996 08:04:37 -0400
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In article <52vjr2$[e-mail]>,
        Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Anarchy will distroy this newsgroup. .Policy was created to take the
>code debate off of this group. How can we respect your views when you
>won't even respect the rec.radio.amateur charter that governs these
>groups?

Carl doesn't want people to respect his views. He wants to merely
impose them on you whether you want them or not. His anti-social
behaviour is a clear indicator of his true intentions.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:48 1996
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From: "William C. (Bill) Wells" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Elections a Sham, AGAIN!
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 14:03:04 +0100
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To: Tuck Miller <[e-mail]>
CC: [e-mail], [e-mail]

Tuck Miller wrote:
>
> William C. (Bill) Wells wrote:
> >
> > Gentlemen:
> >
> >The only name on the ballot was that of
> > the incumbent.  This is not because other candidates did not present
> > themselves, though!
> >
> > There was at least one other candidate that I know of who had the
> > required number of signatures on a petition who outwardly, at least,
> > fulfilled all the requirements to run in the election.  But, since his
> > politics did not pass muster, the headquarters staff found some arcane
> > rule which barred his running in the election.
> >
> >
> > At least for Central Division Vice-director there was a choice
> > presented.  I voted for the challenger, not because I know him to be a
> > great guy or well qualified but because he is the challenger.
> >
>
> Of course you have the right to vote for whomever you wish, but do you
> really think that is really smart? I am sure you are a very intelligent
> person. Voting for someone just because they are challenging the
> incumbent, well that could be dangerous....
>
> > We NEED to vote out ALL incumbents and continue to do so in EVERY
> > election until these guys all know that they serve us and not the other
> > way around and that politics as usual is no longer acceptable.
> > Once again Bill, I do not understand your reasoning here. If you have a
> bad apple in your area, why dump the whole barrel. You have folks who
> work very hard for the radio service, and who are deserving of election
> and or re-election. Sounds to me like throwing the baby out with the bath
> water.
>
> > 73, Bill Wells - WA8HSU - ARRL Member # 1233411
> > [e-mail]
>
> Bill, I am sorry, but I do think you are a bit mistaken. I ran for
> Section Manager in the San Diego Section section against the incumbent,
> did not win this time, but it has not discouraged me. I was on the
> ballot. You mentioned that the League found some rule or something that
> precluded him from being on the ballot, maybe I missed what it was. Did
> you mention what the rule was. It is very simple, at least for Section
> manager.... you must have a petition with at least 10 league members, and
> file it on time. That should be it....
> Maybe there was a slight descrepancy in this procedure. As one who has
> been a part of this process, I do not feel it is a sham..
>
> 73,
>
> Tuck, KC6ZEC


Tuck:


The candidate who we in the Central Division were denied the opportunity
to vote for by Mr. Sumner is Mr. Henry Ruh, the publisher of Amateur
Television Quarterly Magazine.  He is very well qualified for the office
of Division Director.  The "sin" which Mr. Ruh committed which
prevented  us from having the opportunity to vote for the much needed
change was that he "made money off or Amateur Radio through his
magazine."

Actually, in his best year, Mr. Ruh only reported a net operating loss
of about $12.00 on his Federal Income Tax from the magazine which is not
really a business meant as a money maker but is rather a labor of love
designed only to be self supporting.  Mr. Ruh even offered to sell the
Magazine if he would be allowed to run for office.

I am copying this message to Mr. Ruh's Email address in the hope that he
will chime in here and provide all the straight poop, from the horse's
mouth so to speak, for the benefit of the newsgroup and Amateur Radio.

73, Bill - WA8HSU


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Theory Question
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In article <52vnbs$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wr
ites:
>In article <52uu1k$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>What Theoretical Meter band has an antenna of infinite gain ?
>
>Zero meters?
>
>KH2PZ

Justify.

I'll admit that the answer seems intuitively compelling. As you
approach the limit of zero wavelength, any antenna of finite physical
size becomes larger and larger in terms of wavelength. And we know
in general that as an antenna becomes larger in terms of wavelength
its gain increases. For most antenna forms, however, there is a point
of diminishing returns. Long wires, Vee beams, yagis, etc, can actually
become so large in terms of wavelength that their gain decreases, IE
sidelobes begin to dominate. And that often doesn't require many
wavelengths in size before that occurs.

A perfect parabolic reflector would seem to be an exception to this rule
of diminishing returns, but even it has a feed, and that feed is usually
of a form with a point of diminishing returns. More importantly, the beam
formed can't be smaller than the diameter of the dish, which is finite and
therefore can't have infinite gain. An antenna of infinite gain must generate
a beam of zero diameter. And an antenna of zero dimension is by definition an
isotropic point and has, again by definition, zero gain. Therefore I'm
compelled to suggest that an antenna of infinite gain can't exist at a
wavelength of zero meters, that point represents a discontinuity of the
gain function.

It should also be obvious why an antenna operating at a longer wavelength
than zero can't have infinite gain. That's because the photons generated
have greater than zero dimension (or in classical terms, the wave energy
is spread through the transverse E and H fields over a finite distance
proportional to wavelength), thus the point of focus must be larger
than zero, and thus have less than infinite power density. So we must
assert that an antenna of infinite gain is impossible, even in theory,
regardless of wavelength chosen.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
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Subject: Re: Kenwood HF radios in Truck Stops?
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 14:27:44 GMT
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[e-mail] (John Mitchell) wrote:


>>AN IMPORTANT POLICY ANNOUNCEMENT FROM KENWOOD
>>
>>
>>Over the past several months, QST has reported that Kenwood is selling our
>>Amateur products to CB stores and Truck Stops. We want to make it clear
>>that this is just not true....
>>The decision was made to use well known established distributors
>>who could sell radios to those businesses. Our distributors were carefully
>>selected and interviewed. Some were selling Amateur related products and
>>accessories. All these distributors understand their responsibilities in
>>regards to the sale of Amateur products for licensed use only.

>What a bunch of specious crappola. As we all know, "well known established
>distributors" already sell all the radios they can to Amateur Radio Stores.

Usually all of the Amateur Radio Stores purchase directly from the manufacture
r
no distributors have been involved.  You might get some two stepers who can no
t
make the required annual purchase minimums from the manufacturer.  Generally
other Amateur radio stores will do some two stepping  to these retailers.

Gary



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:51 1996
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Subject: Conar transceiver 452, 2m??
Date: 6 Oct 1996 16:06:18 GMT
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Conar transceiver model 452
Does anyone know anything about this unit, aprox. manufacture date,
operation manual, watts out, freq. range, schematic diag. ?

Would Appreciate the help, willing to pay for copying cost and mailing if
avail. please e-mail reply to:
Dan Jaume   KF4LOO
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:52 1996
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From: Tuck Miller <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
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Frank Sved wrote:
>
> >
> > it's not a hobby, exactly. it's defined as a service in the rule books. th
at's an
> > important point. see basis and purpose in 97.1. to that end APRS needs
> > investigation and perfection so that fits in nicely...
>
> A "service" that you can't charge for, can't use professionally.  You can
> only use it for non-lucrative goals and can't make a living at it?
> Sounds like a hobby to me. (unless one chooses to chase ambulances)
>
> >
> > Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur

A service meaning providing communications in time of disaster or
emergencies, floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, bombings, plane crashes,
the list goes on. A service first, a hobby 2nd.

73,

Tuck, KC6ZEC


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>While it is true that RTTY has unfortunately been discovered by the
>gamers

Years ago. But please explain to us why it is 'unfortunate', Gary ? Do you
mean to imply that certain things in amatuer radio should be kept only for
a certain subset of hams, and that when the general public of ham radio
finds out about them it is unfortunate ?

 73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Blanley)
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Subject: CB Radio
Date: 6 Oct 1996 20:36:14 -0400
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Web site, is there one ? [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:56 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 18:44:57 -0800
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Jeffrey Herman wrote:
>
> Ramon Gandia  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> (stuff deleted)
>
> Do be more careful, Ramon. Bart did *not* say all of what appears below.
> When you edit, make sure the attribution line matches the signature.
> Jeff KH2PZ / KH6
>
> Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC wrote:
> > > : to say the least, I mean custom call signs for the well off ;-$
> > >
> > > Another good reason I don't support ARRL unilaterally.

Sorry fellows, I stand corrected.  My "snipping scissors" were
blind!  To Bart, I deeply apologize for my carelessness.  No offense
intended.

Ramon, AL7X   [ To foil SpamBots, my address is not machine readable.
Nome, Alaska  [ Send your replies to:    rfg.at.nome.dot.net


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:57 1996
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From: "Steve Wolf" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity Call Delay (What Delay?)
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People are crabbing about how long it will take the
FCC to process vanity callsign applications.  They
suggest the FCC should use the collected funds for
processing.  They lament at the delay.

What delay?

You didn't figure that 5 or 6,000 additional applications might
cause them a delay?  Anyone want to admit to being
surprised?

Why should the FCC needlessly waste their operating funds
on overtime?  I would hate to see them waste their money
in that fashion.  I would hate to see their employees be
forced into overtime on a project that is so easy for the
applicants to realize the effects of their requests.

THANK YOU FCC FOR MAKING THIS POSSIBLE.
Take your time.  Perhaps then we will not be as big of a
burden when issues press that are a heck of a lot more
important than some dopey ham radio operator's vanity!

I sure will be glad when I dump "N" "ZERO" "EIGHT" "M"!

--
73,
Steve
        Amateur Radio:          no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
        Internet:                       [e-mail]
        MSYS Mail List:         [e-mail] ("info" for title)





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On 6 Oct 1996, Blanley wrote:

> Web site, is there one ? [e-mail]

Try rec.radio.cb

Patrick Cook, KB0OXD
Denver, Colorado
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:32:59 1996
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From: Patrick Cook <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ICOM radios lose their minds? (backup battery issue)
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 21:30:10 -0600
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On Sun, 6 Oct 1996, William Gode wrote:

> >I vaguely recall reading on the net, some years ago, that there was a
> >problem with some (all?) ICOM equipment because if the backup battery
> >inside the unit failed, the operating parameters would all be lost and
> >could only be restored by sending the unit back to ICOM for repair.

Some Kenwoods do the same thing.  I have a TH-75A which occasionally goes
batty on me by showing some erratic display and not being able to transmit,
although this is sometimes alleviated by just simply re-entering the memory
channel or turning the radio off and then turning it back on a few seconds
later.

If neither of the above work, then the only other option left is to reset
the CPU (if the radio doesn't do it for you).

FWIW.....  :-)

Patrick Cook, KB0OXD
Denver, Colorado
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
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Subject: Fox Hunt!
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 05:09:39 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

On October 13, 1996 the Eastern Ozarks Amateur Radio Club (EOARC) will
sponsor a Fox Hunt in St. Francois County Missouri.

Sign up will be from 1300-1330 at the Mineral Area College parking lot
in Park Hills (formerly Flat River) and the Hunt itself will start at
1400.

Entry is _FREE_ but you must register!!

Maps of St. Francois County will be provided.

The Fox will live on 2m FM simplex and the exact frequency will be
announced by the Fox at 1400. The Fox will be somewhere in St.
Francois County.

Certificates and ribbons will be awarded.

From St. Louis, take Interstate 55 south to US highway 67 south to the
Leadington/Park Hills exit then turn left.

From Cape Girardeau, take Interstate 55 north to US Highway 67 south
as above.

From Poplar Bluff, take US Highway 67 north to exit as above and turn
right.

You may call on the EOARC repeater on 147.030 (+600) for talk-in.

All Amateurs are welcome and encouraged to attend!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:02 1996
From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Subject: Re: Suffixes to amateur call signs
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In article <536hc4$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Jeffrey Herman" writes:

> You've made a grave but common error, Tony. Guam in not in the 2nd
> call district. In your example, Jim would be operating up in New
> England, not Guam.

I'm relieved that it's common and thanks :-)

Actually under the present call system it is not clear only from the
call where Jim NOW lives or operates (although of course it should
have been clear to me where it was issued), but certainly you are
right that a different example would have been more appropriate.

I'm not sure I understood your comment about New England as my post
didn't mention a first district call or suffix.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:03 1996
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From: bob <[e-mail]>
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Subject: atv
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Hi I'm looking for information on atv stuff (kits and general reading)


thanks 73's de KB8VRU


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: New Ham Radio FAQ
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                  Announcing NEW Ham Radio.FAQ

This file started as a regular USENET posting called "rec.radio.amateur
.misc Frequently Asked Questions".

The evolving file was distributed far and wide thanks to passionate
contributors. The file was abandoned in 1994 and has been resurrected
now on the WWW for currency and convenience.

Ham Radio.FAQ contains 3 chapters and many, many links to radio
related sites!

1 - Introduction to the Ham Radio.FAQ
2 - Amateur Radio Organizations, Services, and Data Sources
3 - Amateur Radio Advanced and Technical Questions

Please provide a copy of the Ham Radio.FAQ to any new or soon-to-be Hams
that you know or share with them the URL to this site:

              http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v

73,

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Digital VS. CW Testing
Date: 7 Oct 1996 12:28:37 GMT
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Carl Stevenson ([e-mail]) writes:
>
> And the fact that your proposed "test" was contrived to be to your
> perceived advantage (while having virtually no meaning) was not lost on
> anyone with any intelligence ...

It ... was ... lost ... on ... you... carl...

>
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]
>
>


--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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Subject: Re: VHF Communications Magazine
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[e-mail] (Walt Davidson) wrote:

>Michael J Wooding <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>An index of the contents of this issue can be found on our WWW sites, as
>>can details of subscribing to the magazine for anyone who may be
>>interested.

>Now that *is* coming very close to "commercial advertising on Usenet",
>Mike!

Keep posting these Mike.  This is anything but an advertisement.  Me
thinks we worry to much about the purity of Usenet (it isn't illegal
to advertise anyway).  The short post of your's is a good piece of
info for those of us interested in VHF.  I see nothing at all wrong
with what was posted.

Bill Sohl (Amateur Radio Operator K2UNK)
Internet Instructor, Mount Olive (NJ) Community School



From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:07 1996
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From: Gary Bleasdale <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 Meter Freqs
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 09:48:55 -0400
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Bigdad wrote:
>
> To save me the time hunting and maybe someone else is
> wondering...what is the frequency range that and modes that a
> class C technician license holder may use? Thanks!

First you'll have to tell us what a "class C" technician license is.
And if you currently have a callsign what is it?

Gary
KJ4PV


From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
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Subject: ARRL Contest Info
Date: 7 Oct 1996 14:01:19 GMT
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I was very dissapointed to see that the ARRL has decided not to put
the rules and details of the ARRL Sweepstakes in QST as usual.  Instead
they refer the ARRL member-subscriber to purchase another publication.

I do not see the logic in this except to sell the members more books.

This year brings a new section (up to 78 from 77) and even that was not
mentioned in the article (I think Northern New York is the new one??)

I urge members to email the ARRL ([e-mail]) if they feel as I do that
this info should be kept in QST.  The contest page on the WWW for the
ARRL (http://www.arrl.org/contests/) doesn't have info for SS (besides the
date) and the file that contains the rules that is available for D/L
(arrlcn96n.zip) doesn't list the sections.  Even QST doesn't have a concise
listing of all the sections (US & VE) so how does the league expect this
contest to grow and prosper?



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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Duff)
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Subject: 73 Articles wanted
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Looking for parts 1 and 3 of a 3 part article from January and March
1994  73 magazine called "Using the world's most accurate frequency
standard".
(I need parts 1 and 2 only, I have part 2)
Gladly repay costs incurred.


Please reply by e-mail:  [e-mail]



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On 27-Sep-96 21:29:27, Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Ah, but in that case would you always know the correct time?

Ah, who knows the correct time anyway..  I was more interested in testing
accuracy of my clock than getting it set correctly..  It's all relative of
course!

A el tono, doce menos siete horas URC ahora.

?diez y quatro?

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From [e-mail] Mon Oct 07 20:33:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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Subject: Re: VANITY CALAMITY
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:57:29 GMT
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[e-mail] (prvalko) wrote:
>Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <53247j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>: >  I agree.  I had read that the first applications received would be the
>: >first processed, so I made an extra effort (no pun intended :-) to make
>: >sure mine would be there early.
>Gary replied
>: FCC control, they have to use some arbitrary method to select which has
>: first priority. A random lottery among each day's receipts seems the
>: fairest method.
>You folks really need to quityerbitchin.  If it were *really* fair, they
>would have let gate 2 be for ANY ham licenced 25 years or more, like it
>used to be.  At least that way those highly prized 1x2 calls would mean
>something.  Now, NO call will mean *anything*.  Which is why mine

  I agree, that would have been best.  Save 1x2 calls for Extra Class hams
who have been licensed for 25 years or more.  And my opinion on this is not
at all influenced by the fact that I am an Extra Class ham and have been
licensed for 28 years :-).  (Why I was a mere child when I got my license
back in 1968... with no "dad" or "uncle" who was a ham to help, either. :-)

  But the 25 year rule for 1x2 calls was violated when they had the big 1x2
call assignment period in the middle 1970s, so I wasn't deluded that they
would be so historically minded this time.  For a long time, you could tell
about when someone was licensed by their call.  Now you can 'sort of' tell
their license class by their call.

========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author =========
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==== [e-mail] ==== [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]====



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:55:45 1996
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well I always thought it was JAMBON ...
just kidding, I always wondered as well.

Best 73 from Philadelphia area PA
Pierre-Michel
F1EQU
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From: Bigdad <[e-mail]>
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To save me the time hunting and maybe someone else is
wondering...what is the frequency range that and modes that a
class C technician license holder may use? Thanks!



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:55:46 1996
From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Subject: Re: 10 Meter Freqs
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In article <53bpp2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Bigdad" writes:

> Im sorry .... I got my license in 1970 and at that time you had
> to pass a 5 wpm code test, you were labeled class "C" meaning all
> you had to do was pass the 13 wpm code to get your General. In
> later years those "C" techs were granted some extended
> priviledges to seperate them from the No Code techs, one of those
> was a small portion of the 10 meter band to use.

The bit about only needing the 13wpm Morse Code test for a General
Class License is true for all Tech's, and that is not the distiction
between your class and that of other newer Tech's.

The License Class of folks who now hold a Technician ticket and have
held it since before February 14, 1991 is now called Technician Plus,
and it differs from plain Tech's in that it holds the the sum total
of privileges of both the Technician and the Novice Classes.

On 10m you may use any frequency between 28.100 MHz and 28.500 MHz
and in the lower frequency half you may use c.w., rtty and data and
in the upper half only c.w. and phone (J3E and R3E).

BTW, it's not just some 10m frequencied that you get on HF.  You also
have allocations on 80m, 40m and 15m.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:55:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 10 Meter Freqs
Date: 8 Oct 1996 05:11:31 GMT
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In article <53bq3b$[e-mail]>, Bigdad  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Ok this is getting QUITE rediculous. YES im sorry to say i do
>have a call sign which i will not give here. I asked what i
>thought was a simple question and was berated with demands for
>explanations well horse hockey!!! Ill get my information
>elsewhere. Like i said in one other reply hams USED to be
>friendly and helpful but that seems to have gone the way of the
>807!!


Well, you have to understand that anytime someone asks about 10m
using a handle ("Bigdad") and a phoney address (your Rworld.com vs
the wwa.com in the article ID) some of use get a little suspicious.
The fine line between 11 and 10m is now nonexistant in some areas;
we're only trying to protect what lawfully has been assigned to us.

Jeff KH2PZ




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:55:48 1996
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From: Guy Clark <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 10-10 Web Site
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Scott A. Nelson wrote:
> I used to have the address for the 10-10 club website, but I seem to have
> misplaced it.  Anyone out there have it.  Thanks.

There is no WEB site, but the Ten Ten Listserver is at ....
ftp://ftp.lehigh.edu/pub/listserv/tenten-l/

I think I said that right.
73 es gud 10X
--
Track record is all that counts.
Guy Clark  is  [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:55:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
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Subject: Re: 10-10 Web Site
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In <[e-mail]> "Scott A. Nelson" <[e-mail]> writes:

>I used to have the address for the 10-10 club website, but I seem to have
>misplaced it.  Anyone out there have it.  Thanks.

>                                       73,

>                                       -- Scott --   KG0GD

Yeah, it's listed in the Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory:

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/

In particular:

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/C.html#Cebik

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
[e-mail]
http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:55:50 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
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Subject: 1x2/2x1 List where?
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:16:42
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Someone (sorry, I lost the message) asked where they could find
out what "Extra" (1x2, 2x1) calls were still available.

The best place I have found is the web page at:

    http://www.qrz.com/vanity.html

The page is updated daily.  If you are not web-enabled, there are
some commercial outfits (W5YI, etc) who will snail mail you a disk.
I haven't paid much attention, but I think they charge around $15
per call district.

A caution for folks thinking about 2x1 calls --- remember that
AH/KH/NH/WH/AL/KL/NL/WL/KP/NP/WP prefixes are not issued to
mainland applicants, unless they are "retrieving" a call.

73, de Hans, K0HB
--
--If you put tomfoolery into a computer, nothing comes out but
--tomfoolery. But this tomfoolery, having passed through a very
--expensive machine, is somehow ennobled, and no one dares
--to criticize it.
--




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:55:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Petronet Networks)
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Subject: About KPC-3 TNC ???
Date: 11 Oct 1996 19:44:13 GMT
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     Hello!
     I am need information about KPC-3 TNC.
     E-mail, please.
     Thanks
     73! Konstantin, RK1NA ex UN1CD


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:55:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
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Subject: Amateur Radio: Elmers List Geographic Quick-Search Index
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Summary: A quick-search geographic index file for the Elmers
         Resource Directory, a list of mentors, experts, and gurus
         for the various technical subjects that come up in this
         newsgroup.
Keywords: FAQ, ham, amateur, radio, FTP, WWW, elmer, index, geographic
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           Amateur Radio: Elmers List Geographic Quick-Search Index

     _________________________________________________________________

   (Note: This index only lists Elmers with explicit geographic
   information in their entries.)

ARGENTINA

     * Fracchia (Rosario)

AUSTRALIA

     * Cheeseman
     * Dawson (Sydney)
     * Hosking (Perth)

BRAZIL

     * Reis (Natal City)

CANADA

  Alberta

     * Salyzyn (Edmonton)

  British Columbia

     * Nerenberg (Prince George)

  Ontario

     * Dean (Newmarket)
     * DeWolf (Braeside)
     * Gilhuly (Arnprior)
     * Neeson (Brockville)
     * Pulfer (Kingston)

FINLAND

     * Komppa (Nummela)
     * Toijala

GERMANY

     * Elmers (Hamburg)
     * Gapinski (Dettenheim)

ITALY

     * Bertolino
     * Caserta (Roccasecca)
     * Zurn (Ispra)

JAPAN

     * Kumagai (Tokyo)

KOREA, REPUBLIC OF

     * Lee (Chinju)

MOROCCO

     * Boudda (Rabat)

NETHERLANDS

     * Bruinsma (Amsterdam)
     * Reynolds (The Hague)
     * van Vliet (Delft)

NEW ZEALAND

     * Andrews
     * Davis (Christchurch)

PHILIPPINES

     * Lao (Olongapo City)

SWITZERLAND

     * Pascal

UNITED KINGDOM

     * Gathergood
     * Gibbs (Isle of Guernsey)
     * Gilliver
     * Pawson
     * Stockton

UNITED STATES

  Alabama

     * Mills (Auburn University)

  Arizona

     * Carruth (Phoenix)
     * Dodell
     * Halle (Phoenix)
     * Lloyd (Scottsdale)
     * Meredith (Phoenix)
     * Moore (Scottsdale)
     * Nielsen (Tuscon)
     * Redding, J (Tuscon)
     * Reeves (Prescott)
     * Rose

  Arkansas

     * Gray (Searcy)

  California

     * Ammar (Monterey)
     * Angus (Gardena/Los Angeles)
     * Been (Long Beach)
     * Bridges
     * Cira (Los Angeles)
     * Douglas (Sacramento)
     * French (Palo Alto)
     * Glago (San Francisco)
     * Goldberg (Huntington Beach)
     * Larson (Palo Alto)
     * Miller
     * Moell, A (Orange County)
     * Shelton, P (Santa Barbara)
     * Stillinger (Edwards AFB)
     * Traubman (San Mateo)
     * Turner (Irvine)
     * van De Kerk (Santa Ana)
     * Wilkins (Berkeley)

  Colorado

     * Elmore (Longmont)
     * Huntting (Boulder)
     * Knauer (Westminster)
     * Myers (Ft. Collins)
     * Standerfer (Loveland)

  Connecticut

     * Bauer (Newington)
     * Bloom (Newington)
     * Cartier (Middletown)
     * Hare (Newington)
     * Jahnke (Newington)
     * Lau (Newington)
     * Tracy (Newington)

  Florida

     * Browne (LaBelle)
     * Goldstein
     * Graham (Ft. Walton Beach)
     * Redding, T (Palm Beach)
     * Veres (Miami)

  Georgia

     * Anthony (Sautee)
     * Bernstein (Atlanta/Marietta)
     * Coffman (Lawrenceville/Atlanta)
     * Humphries (Atlanta)

  Idaho

     * Morris (Post Falls)

  Illinois

     * Johnson, C (Aurora)
     * Leynes (Chicago)
     * Taylor (Mahomet/Urbana/Champaign)

  Iowa

     * Buelow (Cedar Rapids)
     * Madsen (Ames)
     * Neff (Mt. Pleasant)

  Louisiana

     * Watters (Elm Grove)

  Maine

     * Ingerson

  Maryland

     * Edwards (College Park)
     * Leadmon (Baltimore)

  Massachusetts

     * Ardai (Boston)
     * Bellville (Millbury)
     * Chilton (Marlborough)
     * Ehrlich
     * Halbert (West Newton/Boston)
     * Langner (Chelmsford)
     * Sefranek (Shirley)
     * Stader (Westford)
     * Vail (Billerica)

  Michigan

     * Galazka (Vernon, Shiawassee County)

  Missouri

     * Deutschmann (Creve Coeur/St. Louis)

  Nebraska

     * Schleck (Bellevue/Omaha)

  New Hampshire

     * Bono (Derry)
     * Seney (Manchester)

  New Jersey

     * Boccardi (North Brunswick)
     * Moor (Vernon)
     * Sohl (Budd Lake)
     * Sproul, K (North Brunswick)
     * Sproul, M (North Brunswick)

  New York

     * Coletti (New York City)
     * Eisenberg (Merrick)
     * Kohnen (Penfield/Rochester)
     * Orcutt (West Seneca)
     * Phillips (Cazenovia)
     * Schwartz (New York City)
     * Yee (Brooklyn)

  North Carolina

     * Dworkin (Charlotte)
     * Hammill (Raleigh)
     * Keys (Raleigh)
     * Smith (Greensboro)
     * Williams

  Ohio

     * Ackermann (Dayton)

  Oregon

     * Roth (Portland)
     * Walsh (Eugene)

  Pennsylvania

     * Adams, I (Erie)
     * Colwell (Pittsburgh)
     * DePolo (Philadelphia)
     * de Volpi (New Cumberland)
     * Rymell (Bloomsburg)

  Tennessee

     * Cebik (Knoxville)
     * Hill (Brentwood)
     * Ornitz (Kingsport)
     * Shelton, J (Clarksville)

  Texas

     * Butler (Plano)
     * Chahine (El Paso)
     * Gilbert (Huntsville)
     * Ihry (Quinlan)
     * Killebrew (Houston)
     * Maia (Dallas)
     * McEwen (Richardson/Dallas)
     * Morgan (Temple)
     * Muenzler (Floresville)
     * Paperman (Cut 'n Shoot)
     * Wier

  Vermont

     * Ayers (Lyndonville)

  Washington

     * Crick (Bellevue)
     * Kruml (Northeast King County)
     * Salnick (Spokane)

  West Virginia

     * Schliesser (St. Albans)

  Wisconsin

     * Twigger (Millwaukee)

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:55:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
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Subject: Amateur Radio: Elmers List Info and Administrivia
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               Amateur Radio: Elmers List Info and Administrivia

     _________________________________________________________________

   This administrivia file and the companion Amateur Radio Elmers
   Resource Directory are intended for non-commercial distribution via
   the Internet. Any other uses, please E-mail for permission.

   [Special Note: Greater Omaha Public Access Unix has been acquired by
   Novia Internetworking as of September 1, 1996. Novia will assume
   ownership of the gonix.com domain and intends to keep it active
   (aliased to novia.net) for the foreseeable future. This means that you
   may use either the new novia.net addresses, listed below, or the old
   gonix.com addresses for the Amateur Radio Elmers Resource Directory.
   I'd like to thank the administrators of Gonix for their outstanding
   support of this resource over the years, and look forward to a
   fruitful relationship with Novia Internetworking for some time to
   come.]

   In order to standardize the Internet resource notation used in this
   Directory, I've decided to adopt Uniform Resource Locator (URL) format
   throughout. In addition to being a straightforward, human-readable,
   format for specifying File Transfer Protocol (FTP) archives, Gopher
   and World-Wide Web (WWW) servers, and Usenet newsgroups, it is also
   amenable to formatting as hypertext links in Hypertext Markup Language
   (HTML). For example, users viewing this document at designated
   World-Wide Web Servers (see "How may I obtain the latest copy of the
   Elmers List?" below) will see all URL's converted to hypertext links
   on their WWW client. Rather than fumbling with the various conventions
   of FTP, Gopher, WWW, and Usenet News software, the document or
   directory referenced by a hypertext link is but one mouse-click (or
   key-click) away.

   While I'm happy to incorporate the latest and most popular
   information-formatting standards into the documents that I maintain, I
   really can't allow myself to be dragged into the role of a WWW
   help-desk for all of the Internet. Please understand this when I
   politely refer you to other Elmers, easily-obtainable on-line
   documentation, or even local expertise such as resident gurus,
   consultants, or help-desks at your school, company, or information
   service provider.

   The URL format is easily mapped into human FTP, Telnet, Gopher, and
   Usenet News reader commands. For example:

   ftp://ftp.cs.buffalo.edu/pub/ham-radio/README

   Anonymous FTP to ftp.cs.buffalo.edu and get the file README under the
   /pub/ham-radio directory.

   gopher://oes1.oes.ca.gov:5555/

   Access the Gopher root page at oes1.oes.ca.gov via non-standard port
   5555 (if the standard Gopher port of 70 was used, the ":5555" part
   would be replaced by ":70" or most likely not appear at all).

   telnet://callsign.cs.buffalo.edu:2000/

   Initiate a Telnet (remote terminal) session with
   callsign.cs.buffalo.edu via non-standard port 2000 (if the standard
   Telnet port of 23 was used, the ":2000" part would be replaced by
   ":23" or most likely not appear at all).

   news:rec.radio.info

   Access the rec.radio.info newsgroup on your Usenet newsreader from
   your local news server.

   URL's that start with:

   http:

   Are only accessible via WWW client software or "browsers".

   For more information about URL formats, see:

   ftp://nis.nsf.net/documents/rfc/rfc1630.txt
   http://www.w3.org/hypertext/WWW/Addressing/Addressing.html

   Disclaimer: While I have personally confirmed the accuracy of all
   URL's through the Lynx WWW client, any referenced documents external
   to this document are subject to future changes beyond my control. In
   addition, with networks and their administration being what it is,
   many services with up-to-date URL's may be temporarily unreachable.
   Please consult with your local gurus, consulting staff, or help-desk
   to confirm that it's a non-local problem, then ask the Elmer him or
   herself (me in the case of URL's which appear outside of individual
   entries). The currency and accuracy of URL's should be at least no
   worse than that of the Elmers entries themselves (which are each
   individually confirmed by me every 2 years, and updated within 1 month
   on request of the Elmer).
     _________________________________________________________________

A Brief Historical Overview:

   If there is any one constant in the changing state of the
   communications art, it is that "Hams" (Amateur Radio Operators) have
   always been on the forefront of it. Rumors abound where the term "Ham"
   came from. Some of the more amusing are described in the list of
   Frequently Asked Questions for this newsgroup.

   Regardless of origin of the name, a "Ham" is universally recognizable
   as one who experiments in radio and communications.

   Whether it be constructing a low-power CW radio with vacuum tubes, or
   designing TCP/IP packet networks, such experimentation has
   historically spilled over into the mainstream such as was the case
   with Howard Armstrong, who developed the regenerative oscillator and
   FM radio, or General Curtis LeMay (W6EZV) who was instrumental in
   making Single-Sideband the communications standard for the Strategic
   Air Command (1946-1992, now reorganized into a joint command called
   USSTRATCOM) and eventually the U.S. Air Force. Although
   packet-switching techniques originated from DARPA (Defense Advanced
   Research Projects Agency) and the ARPANet, no one can deny the
   tremendous influence that amateurs have had in demonstrating the
   viability of TCP/IP and AX.25 communications via radio links. The
   efforts of AMSAT (the Amateur Satellite Corporation), including the
   development of many ham satellites and the low-orbiting Microsats
   (communications satellites no bigger than a breadbox that use
   store-and-forward packet techniques), have certainly advanced the
   state-of-the-art in communications, one of the defined purposes of the
   Amateur Radio Service, as recognized by international treaty.

   Since in many cases hams are writing "the book", there is often no
   "book" or other established reference for a beginner to refer to.
   Traditionally, information has been passed on from ham to ham via
   word-of-mouth. Like many of the traditional crafts, a variation of the
   Master-Apprentice system has emerged, the Elmer-Novice relationship.
   Called "Elmers" because they are usually older and wiser, having the
   benefit of many years in the hobby, including several failed projects,
   and an electric shock or two, they have traditionally been the
   mainstay of amateur radio, and the source of many new hams,
   particularly those interested in working on emerging technologies.

   Even more importantly, Elmers provided an outlet for the impatient
   newcomer who wanted "to know everything, and right away." Faced with
   such a request, a good Elmer will smile and proceed to lead the novice
   through some project or operating experience. Several hours, days, or
   weeks later, the novice would have his answers, but would have earned
   them. Even better, the sense of accomplishment would boost the
   novice's confidence and nudge him or her down the road to being a
   model, experienced ham operator.

   Many present hams feel that such an experience is missing today. In
   today's hustle-bustle world, the response to such natural curiosity
   and desire to learn is, more often than not, "I'm too busy" or "RTFM."
   As a result, the quality of new hams declines and the knowledge and
   operating habits they develop in their first formative months and
   years leave much to be desired. And the very same hams who claim that
   they "can't understand the new generation" also, in almost the same
   breath, lament about the "decline of amateur radio."
     _________________________________________________________________

What is an Elmer today?

   An Elmer today is of any age, male or female, who has some expertise
   and is willing to share it with beginners. Elmers don't even need to
   be licensed amateurs, just people with knowledge in some area of
   electronics or communications technology.
     _________________________________________________________________

What is an Internet Elmer?

   With the ever-widening scope of the Internet, the amateur radio
   newsgroups on Usenet, and now the World-Wide Web, the potential for
   Elmers to share their knowledge to a wide audience has never been
   greater. To that end, I maintain a list of such Elmers. Volunteers
   need only send me their name, E-mail address, and area(s) of
   expertise. URL-format pointers to resources they maintain, such as WWW
   home pages or FTP archives, would also be quite welcome. The list has
   gotten large enough that there should be plenty of suitable examples
   to model your entry after. If you need some further assistance
   formatting your entry, drop me a line and tell me a bit about
   yourself. Ironically, sometimes the best Elmers write to me saying,
   "I'm not an expert, but..."

   As part of the Elmers List's entry into the World-Wide Web, I've also
   provided a formatted WWW Registration Form. It may be accessed from:

   http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/register.html

   I have set up an administrivia mailbox for correspondence related to
   this list ([e-mail], the default Reply-To: of this
   message). I would prefer that all such correspondence be directed to
   that address. In addition to saving it into a special folder, my
   incoming E-mail filter will also send you an automated return-receipt.
   While I can guarantee that I will read all mail sent to elmers-request
   before the next month's posting of the list, mail sent to pschleck may
   not necessarily get reviewed for some time (although all E-mail sent
   to me is certainly read with interest *eventually*).

   Those desiring a more extensive list, or who need more specific
   assistance, are encouraged to contact Rosalie White, WA1STO,
   Educational Services Manager at the American Radio Relay League, 225
   Main St., Newington, CT 06111 or via electronic mail addressed to
   [e-mail].
     _________________________________________________________________

How may I obtain the latest copy of the Elmers List?

   There are currently 6 ways of obtaining the Elmers List. Any site at
   least reachable by Internet E-mail can use options 5 or 6:

    1. World-Wide Web (WWW): This is the recommended method for accessing
       the Elmers list, as it allows this resource to be viewed as
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             Amateur Radio: Elmers List Subject Quick-Search Index

     _________________________________________________________________

   (Note: This index is not necessarily all-inclusive and some Elmers are
   listed more than once.)

10-X INTERNATIONAL

     * Cebik (Mailing List and WWW Page)

AMATEUR RADIO EMERGENCY SERVICE (ARES)/RADIO AMATEUR CIVIL EMERGENCY SERVICE
(RACES)/SKYWARN

     * Adams, I (ARES and SKYWARN)
     * Ammar
     * Ayers (RACES and SKYWARN)
     * Boccardi (ARES/RACES/SKYWARN)
     * Boudda (Morocco)
     * Butler
     * Chilton (EMA Radio Officer)
     * Glago (Sonoma Valley, CA ARES and RACES Director)
     * Gray (Arkansas Section)
     * Humphries (ex-Asst. EC)
     * Ihry (ARES/RACES/SKYWARN)
     * Knauer (ARES and SKYWARN, including National SKYWARN WWW Page)
     * Kruml (Northeast King County, WA ARES EC, EComm Pacific Northwest
       ARES Internet Mailing List)
     * Lao (Philippines)
     * Miller (Ventura County, CA ARES Area 6 Packet Radio Training Group
       and WWW Page)
     * Mills (SKYWARN)
     * Moell, A (Hospital Disaster Support Communications System and WWW
       Page)
     * Morgan (ARES and SKYWARN)
     * Morris (ARES)
     * Neeson
     * Neff
     * Paperman
     * Schliesser (SKYWARN)
     * Schwartz (NYC EC for Operations)
     * Shelton, P
     * Smith (ARES and SKYWARN)
     * Stader (EMAS SEC)

AMATEUR SATELLITE CORPORATION (AMSAT)

     * Boudda (Morocco)
     * Galazka
     * Johnson, C
     * Lee (Korea)
     * Roth (Portland, OR Area Coordinator)
     * Williamson, P (WWW Page, Anonymous FTP Archive, and Mailing Lists)

AMATEUR TELEPRINTER OVER RADIO (AMTOR)/PACKET TELEPRINTER OVER RADIO
(PACTOR)/RADIO TELETYPE (RTTY)

     * Bernstein
     * Butler
     * Leavey (73 Magazine RTTY Loop Column and WWW Page)
     * Neeson
     * Reynolds (FSK, PSK, MSK, Various Types of ARQ and FEC Systems)
     * Sayer (also decoding CHU's ASCII time code)
     * Sussman (Publisher of PACTOR News WWW Page, Speaker and Host of
       PACTOR Forum at Dayton Hamvention)

AMERICA ON-LINE

     * Ruh (ATV Quarterly Representative, Ham Radio Manufacturers and
       Dealers Section)
     * Stader (Host and Manager, Ham Radio Club Forum)

AMERICAN RADIO RELAY LEAGUE (ARRL)

     * Bauer (W1AW Manager and Chief Operator, ARRL Bulletin Mailing
       List)
     * Bloom (QEX Editor, ARRL CNC Contact)
     * Cebik (Educational Advisor)
     * Cira (Los Angeles, CA ACC)
     * Ehrlich (EMAS Internetworking ASM)
     * Elmore (CO TC)
     * Goldstein (Volunteer Counsel - Florida Only)
     * Halle (Phoenix, AZ Area Official Observer Coordinator)
     * Hare (Laboratory Manager)
     * Hill (TN TS)
     * Jahnke (VEC Manager)
     * Kruml (Northeast King County, WA EC)
     * Lau (Technical Consultant)
     * Newkirk (Webmaster, HQ WWW Page)
     * Redding, T (Educational Advisor)
     * Sefranek (EMAS TA)
     * Sohl (NJ Local Govt. Liason)
     * Stader (EMAS ASM and DEC)
     * Tracy (InfoServer Sysop, TIS Coordinator)
     * Turner (Volunteer Counsel)

AMIGA PERSONAL COMPUTER

     * Leadmon (Amiga NOS FTP Archive)
     * Morris
     * Salnick
     * Whatton (Manager, Amiga Amateur Radio User Group and WWW Page)

ANTENNAS

     * Anthony
     * Ayers
     * Brewer (wire HF)
     * Brubaker (HF)
     * Butler
     * Cebik
     * Chahine
     * Cieslak, C
     * Coyle (multi-band wire HF)
     * DePolo (Design/Theory)
     * Elmore
     * Galazka
     * Graham (wire HF for apartments)
     * Gray
     * Halbert (simple designs)
     * Hill (Mobile, including HF)
     * Humphries (VHF and multi-band wire arrays)
     * Ihry
     * Morris
     * Mouw
     * Muenzler
     * Myers (and transmission lines)
     * Neeson
     * Orcutt
     * Redding, J (including VHF/UHF)
     * Reynolds (including HF)
     * Rymell
     * Salnick
     * Salyzyn
     * Sarrio
     * Sefranek (and Transmission Lines)
     * Shelton, J
     * Shelton, P
     * Silva
     * Smith (including Homebrew)
     * Standerfer
     * Stine (wire HF)
     * Stockton
     * Taylor
     * Thomson (wire HF)
     * van de Kerk (HF Low-Profile)
     * Zurn (wire HF)

ANTIQUE AND OLDER EQUIPMENT

     * Anthony
     * Ayers
     * Bellville
     * Brewer (40's-70's and WWW Page)
     * Butler
     * Dean
     * Drechsel (Collins Radio Virtual Museum WWW Page)
     * Eisenberg
     * Hill (Mailing List)
     * Keys (including HF and CW)
     * McEwen (Telegraph Key Collectors and Historians WWW Page)
     * Morris
     * Muncey (Terry Muncey dba Radio Era Schematics and Documentation
       Archives)
     * Orcutt
     * Paperman (Manuals, Service Information, and Literature)
     * Standerfer
     * Turner (including Kenwood and Ten-Tec)

APPLE MACINTOSH COMPUTER

     * Been
     * Bellville
     * Boccardi
     * Buydens
     * Greatorex (including Amateur Radio Software FTP Archive)
     * Mills
     * Morris
     * Seney (Macnet, including Anonymous FTP Archive and WWW Page, List
       of Amateur Radio Software WWW Page)
     * Sohl

BATTERIES

     * Ammar
     * Ayers
     * Browne
     * Cieslak, C
     * Eisenberg
     * Hammill (Sealed Lead-Acid)
     * Ihry
     * Morris
     * Muenzler
     * Myers
     * Redding, J
     * Sefranek (including Solar Operation)
     * Sohl

BRITISH AMATEUR TELEVISION CLUB (BATC)

     * Pawson (WWW Page)

BULLETIN-BOARD SYSTEMS (BBS'S)

     * Bertolino (Trance - Italy)
     * Butler
     * Cira (HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE*BBS)
     * Gathergood (CQ Centre - United Kingdom)
     * Johnson, C
     * Meredith (F6FBB Packet BBS Support)
     * Reeves
     * Stillinger (IBBS)
     * Watters

CALLSIGN DATA/NATIONAL TECHNICAL INFORMATION SERVICE (NTIS)

     * Carruth
     * Lloyd (QRZ! Ham Radio CDROM and Callsign/E-mail Registry)

CIVIL AIR PATROL (CAP)

     * Moore
     * Standerfer

COLLEGE CLUBS

     * Bernstein (President, Georgia Tech ARC)
     * DePolo (Technical Director, Univ. of Pennsylvania ARC)
     * Edwards (Univ. of Maryland ARA)
     * French, et al (Ham-Univ Mailing List)
     * Killebrew (Trustee, University of Houston Amateur Radio Club)
     * Luszcz (WWW Page)
     * Madsen, et al (Iowa State Elmers)
     * Mills (Auburn University)
     * Schleck

COMMERCIAL EQUIPMENT

     * Bellville
     * Cieslak, C
     * DePolo
     * Dodell (Mailing List)
     * Eisenberg
     * Gray
     * Ihry
     * Veres (Commercial Radio through 12 GHz, UHF and 2.5 GHz ITFS TV)
     * Wier (ICOM Mailing List)

CW (MORSE CODE)

     * Been
     * Bono (AutoCW)
     * Butler
     * Caserta
     * Chahine
     * Cieslak, C
     * Elmers
     * Elmore
     * Galazka
     * Hill (learning hints)
     * Ihry
     * Johnson, C
     * Keys (including CWIST HF CW Net)
     * McEwen (Telegraph Key Collectors and Historians WWW Page)
     * Morris
     * Muenzler
     * Neeson
     * Salyzyn
     * Sarrio
     * Shelton, P
     * Silva
     * Stine
     * Stockton
     * van de Kerk
     * Watters
     * Zurn (including European abbreviations)

DIGITAL SIGNAL PROCESSING (DSP)

     * Ayers
     * Bloom
     * Bruhns
     * Butler
     * Chahine
     * Edwards
     * Gilliver
     * Goerg (Webb Laboratories RF/Microwave CAE WWW Page)
     * Hall (including WWW Page)
     * Ihry
     * Lee
     * van Vliet (Filters, including Integrated, Distributed, Lumped, and
       Active)

DIRECTION FINDING (DF)

     * Douglas (including Doppler and DF Systems WWW Page)
     * Moell, J (Homing In Column WWW Page)
     * Orcutt

DUTCH NATIONAL RADIO SOCIETY (VERON)

     * Bruinsma (National Public Relations Committee, National WWW Page,
       Woerden Chapter Board Member, and Woerden Chapter WWW Page)

EARTH-MOON-EARTH (EME) COMMUNICATIONS

     * Bernstein
     * Cook (including WWW Page)
     * Galazka
     * Lee (Korea)
     * Smit (WWW Page)

EQUIPMENT TESTING/TROUBLESHOOTING

     * Ayers (Tube and Solid-State)
     * Boccardi (Electrical Safety and Grounding)
     * Brewer (Tube Gear)
     * Bridges (Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society WWW Page)
     * Bruhns (Low-Level/Low-Frequency Analog and Transmission Line
       Measurements)
     * Butler
     * Coyle (Kenwood TS-830S and TS-940/AT Service)
     * DePolo
     * Drechsel (Collins Radio Virtual Museum WWW Page)
     * Dworkin
     * Eisenberg
     * Elmore (Troubleshooting)
     * Galazka
     * Goldman (Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society)
     * Hare (ARRL Laboratory Manager)
     * Ihry (General Electronics)
     * Lord (including Radio Doctor's WWW Page)
     * Morris
     * Muncey (Terry Muncey dba Radio Era Schematics and Documentation
       Archives)
     * Myers
     * Ornitz (Instrumentation)
     * Paperman (Manuals, Service Information, and Literature)
     * Rymell (Electronics and Computer Service Work)
     * Salnick
     * Salyzyn
     * Sefranek (including Power Supplies and Amplifiers)
     * Seney (Digital Storage Scope FAQ)
     * Standerfer (Test Equipment and Measurements)
     * Stockton
     * Taylor
     * Veres (Commercial Radio through 12 GHz, UHF and 2.5 GHz ITFS TV)
     * Wendt (Founder, Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society)
     * Witte (Instrumentation, Test Equipment, and Measurements)

FINNISH AMATEUR RADIO LEAGUE (SRAL)

     * Toijala (HQ Contact and WWW Page)

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ's)

     * Adams, C (QRP Rig Standardized Info Sheets)
     * Bowen (Supplemental FTP Archives, Internet Callbook Server)
     * Cebik (QRP Periodicals, Electronics Books, and Antenna Books
       Lists)
     * Cheeseman (Australia)
     * Dawson (Linux HAM and AX.25 HOWTO's)
     * Dodell (rec.radio.info Newsgroup)
     * Goldstein (Packet Radio WWW Server, including Packet FAQ)
     * Hill (Antennas)
     * Jahnke (VE Exams Scheduled)
     * Lloyd (QRZ! Callsign/E-mail Registry)
     * Moell, J (Radio Direction Finding)
     * Ruh (Amateur Television)
     * Salyzyn (Hams on Usenet)
     * Seney (General Amateur Radio, Digital Storage Scopes, and
       Macintosh Amateur Radio Software List WWW Pages)
     * Turvey (United Kingdom)
     * Twigger (Amateur Radio Exam Practice WWW Page)
     * Williams (Amateur Radio WWW Server)
     * Woods (Mail-Order Electronics)
     * Yee (Online Repeater Directory)

GEORGIA RADIO AMATEUR PACKET ENTHUSIASTS SOCIETY (GRAPES)

     * Bernstein
     * Coffman (E-mail Contact)

HANDICAPPED OPERATING

     * Gilliver (Blind Issues)
     * Madsen, et al
     * Tice (Manager, Courage HANDI-HAM System)

HIGH FREQUENCY (HF)/CONTESTING/DX

     * Ayers
     * Bernstein
     * Bertolino (425 DX News and IOTA WWW Page)
     * Boudda (Morocco)
     * Brubaker
     * Butler
     * Caserta
     * Chilton
     * Cieslak, C
     * Coyle (including Station Setup for New Hams)
     * DePolo
     * Dworkin
     * Elmore (DX'ing, Contesting, and Propagation)
     * Galazka
     * Gilbert
     * Gray
     * Hill (Mobile)
     * Ihry
     * Job (Maritime Mobile Service Net)
     * Johnson, C
     * Kumagai (CQWW Committee Member, JIDX Committee Chairman, Japanese
       DX Contest Mailserver and Mailing List)
     * Madsen, et al
     * Martz (Bay Area, California, DX'ers WWW Page)
     * Mills
     * Muenzler
     * Neader (Contesters and DX'ers WWW Page)
     * Neff
     * Nerenberg (DX Mailing List and WWW Page)
     * Orcutt (SWL'ing, including Clandestines)
     * Salnick
     * Sarrio (CW)
     * Silva
     * Simpson (Best of 75 Net)
     * Stiegler (Manager, Maritime Mobile Service Net)
     * Thomson (Mostly CW)
     * Tidd (DXCC Databases)
     * Traubman (Russian Phrases for Amateur Radio)
     * van de Kerk (CW, Low Profile)
     * Veres
     * Witkowski (DX QSL Info WWW Page)
     * Zurn

HOMEBREWING/DO-IT-YOURSELF

     * Ayers (Tube and Solid-State)
     * Bernstein
     * Bridges (Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society WWW Page)
     * Bruhns (including Low-Level/Low-Frequency Analog, DSP, Surface
       Mounting, and Transmission Lines)
     * Butler
     * Carruth (Digital Design, Software)
     * Chilton
     * Cieslak, C
     * Dean
     * DePolo
     * Edwards (including DSP)
     * Eisenberg
     * Elmore (Construction Practices)
     * Galazka
     * Gilliver (DSP, Blind Issues)
     * Goldman (Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society)
     * Gray
     * Gunton (Microwave Components/Techlock Distributing WWW Page)
     * Halbert (QRP)
     * Hall (including DSP WWW Page)
     * Hill ("Glowbugs" Tube Homebrewing Mailing List)
     * Hosking (Perth, Australia Radio Experimenters Group and WWW Page)
     * Ihry (General Electronics, Computers, and Computer Programming)
     * Johnson, R
     * Keys (Junk Box Projects, National Electrical Code for Hams)
     * Kohnen (Tubes)
     * Lau (Transverters, VHF/UHF, Filters, Repeatable Projects)
     * Muenzler
     * Myers (Transmission Lines, Analog and Digital Design)
     * Neeson
     * Ornitz (Chemical and Toxic Material Use and Handling)
     * Rymell (Electronics and Computers, Low-Cost Projects)
     * Salyzyn
     * Sayer (Class-C Bipolar Amplifiers and Phased-Lock-Loop Circuits)
     * Sefranek (Amplifiers, Battery/Solar Operation, Power Supplies, and
       Repeaters)
     * Silva (Analog, Digital, Tubes, Semiconductors, RF, Finding Parts)
     * Stine (Tube Amplifiers, Receivers, and Exciters)
     * Stockton (including QRP)
     * Taylor (Tubes and Amplifiers)
     * van Vliet (including Power Amplifiers, Low-Noise Amplifiers, and
       Mixers for Microwave)
     * Wendt (Founder, Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society)
     * Woods (Mail-Order Electronics)

IBM PERSONAL COMPUTER (PC) AND CLONES

     * Ammar
     * Angus
     * Ayers
     * Bellville
     * Bernstein
     * Bono (AutoExam, et al)
     * Butler
     * Buydens
     * Caserta
     * Cieslak, C
     * Cole
     * Crick (Windows, Ham University)
     * Currie (DOS, Windows 3.x & 95, Linux, Hardware)
     * Dawson (Linux on Intel)
     * Dean
     * Dworkin
     * Ehrlich
     * Gray
     * Ihry
     * Johnson, R
     * Keller
     * Knauer
     * Mills
     * Moor
     * Morris
     * Muenzler
     * Neff
     * Orcutt
     * Perens (Linux for Hams CDROM)
     * Petersen (Simtel Software Repository)
     * Redding, J
     * Smith (Building and Maintaining)
     * Watters

INTERNET SERVICES

     * Ammar
     * Bellville
     * Bernstein
     * Butler
     * Caserta
     * Cieslak, C
     * Currie
     * Dean
     * Gray
     * Ihry
     * Knauer
     * Mills
     * Moor
     * Morris
     * Orcutt
     * Redding, J
     * Schleck
     * Smith
     * Sohl
     * Taylor
     * Watters

LOW FREQUENCY (LF)

     * Butler
     * Thomson (LF/MF Radiobeacon DX'ing)

MAIL/FILE TRANSFER PROTOCOL (FTP)/WORLD-WIDE WEB (WWW)/MULTIPLE-USER DUNGEON
(MUD) SERVERS/ARCHIVES

     * Affens (CQ Magazine WWW Page)
     * Ardai (Boston ARC WWW Page)
     * Bellville (Scanner, Ham, and CB Radio WWW Pages)
     * Bertolino (425 DX News and IOTA WWW Page)
     * Bible (Spread Spectrum WWW Page)
     * Bloom, et al (ARRL Info Mail Server)
     * Bowen (rec.radio.amateur.* Supplemental Archives)
     * Brewer (Antique and Older Equipment WWW Page)
     * Bridges (Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society WWW Page)
     * Bruinsma (VERON National and Woerden Chapter WWW Pages)
     * Caserta (425 DX News WWW Page and FTP Archives)
     * Cebik (10-X International WWW Page)
     * Cook (EME and Weak Signal WWW Page)
     * Davis (NZART WWW Page)
     * deVolpi (Amsoft and World of Ham Radio WWW Page)
     * Douglas (DF Systems WWW Page)
     * Drechsel (Collins Radio Virtual Museum WWW Page)
     * Gibbs (Isle of Guernsey, UK, Amateur Radio Index WWW Page)
     * Goerg (Webb Laboratories RF/Microwave CAE WWW Page)
     * Goldstein (Packet Radio and TAPR WWW Server)
     * Greatorex (Boston ARC FTP Archive)
     * Gunton (Microwave Components/Techlock Distributing WWW Page)
     * Hall (DSP WWW Page)
     * Harding (Ham Server and WWW Page)
     * Hosking (Perth, Australia Radio Experimenters Group WWW Page)
     * Huntting (KaWin WWW Page)
     * Keezer (HamView WWW Page)
     * Kile (North American Amateur Radio Equipment Dealers WWW Page)
     * Killebrew (University of Houston ARC and Internet Relay Chat
       #HamRadio Channel WWW Pages)
     * Knauer (National SKYWARN WWW Page)
     * Komppa (Foreign Licensing WWW Page)
     * Kumagai (Japanese DX Mailserver and Mailing List)
     * Langner (SSTV WWW Page)
     * Leadmon (WB3FFV FTP Archive and WWW Page)
     * Leavey (73 Magazine RTTY Loop Column WWW Page)
     * Leynes (Youthnet News WWW Page)
     * Lloyd (QRZ! Ham Radio CDROM FTP Archive and WWW Page)
     * Luszcz (College and University Club List WWW Page)
     * Martz (Bay Area, California, DX'ers WWW Page)
     * McEwen (Telegraph Key Collectors and Historians WWW Page)
     * Miller (Ventura County, CA ARES Area 6 Packet Radio Training Group
       WWW Page)
     * Moell, A (Hospital Disaster Support Communications System WWW
       Page)
     * Neader (Contesters and DX'ers WWW Page)
     * Nerenberg (Contesting, DX, and Technical Amateur Radio WWW Page)
     * Newkirk (ARRL HQ WWW Page)
     * Nielsen (TAPR)
     * Pawson (British Amateur Television Club WWW Page)
     * Perens (Linux for Hams CDROM, WWW Page and Mail Server)
     * Petersen (Simtel Software Repository)
     * Pulfer (Radio Amateurs of Canada WWW Page)
     * Reis (Brazil Ham WWW Page)
     * Sarrio (Raymond Sarrio Co. Full-Purpose Ham Radio WWW Server)
     * Schwartz (NYC ARES WWW Page)
     * Seney (Digital Storage Scope FAQ, Macnet, and Macintosh Amateur
       Radio Software List WWW Pages)
     * Simpson (Best of 75 Net and Security/Fire Systems WWW Pages)
     * Smit (EME and SETI WWW Page)
     * Sproul, M (APRS WWW Page)
     * Stader, et al (Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency WWW Page)
     * Stiegler (Maritime Mobile Service Net WWW Page)
     * Strobel (K6PBT Dealer Directory WWW Home Page)
     * Sussman (PACTOR News WWW Page)
     * Tice (Courage HANDI-HAM System WWW Page)
     * Toijala (SRAL WWW Page)
     * Twigger (Amateur Radio Exam Practice WWW Page)
     * Vekinis (Picosat System WWW Page)
     * Walsh (QCWA WWW Page)
     * Whatton (Amiga Amateur Radio User Group WWW Page)
     * Wilkins (California Amateur VHF Enthusiasts WWW Page)
     * Williams (Amateur Radio WWW Server)
     * Williamson, P (AMSAT WWW Page and Anonymous FTP Archives)
     * Witkowski (DX QSL Info WWW Page)
     * Woods (Mail-Order Electronics FTP Archive and WWW page)

MAILING LISTS

     * Ackermann (TAPR Net-SIG BBS)
     * Adams, C (QRP-L)
     * Ardai (Many, see full entry)
     * Bauer (ARRL Bulletins)
     * Caserta (425 DX News Mailing List)
     * Cebik (10-X International)
     * Colwell (Advanced Computer Controls and Link Communications
       Repeater Controllers)
     * deVolpi (AmSoft and World of Ham Radio Product Announcements)
     * Dodell (Land-Mobile Radio, MARS Members)
     * French, et al (Ham-Univ College and University Clubs)
     * Hill (Antique and Older Tube Equipment, rec.radio.amateur.*
       Working Group, "Glowbugs" Tube Homebrewing)
     * Kruml (EComm Pacific Northwest ARES)
     * Leadmon (MD/DC Activities)
     * Madsen, et al (Iowa State Elmers)
     * Meredith (F6FBB Packet BBS)
     * Nerenberg (DX)
     * Wier (Motorola HC11/HC16 and ICOM)
     * Williamson, P (Many, AMSAT-related)

MEDIA (PUBLICATION/WRITING/BROADCASTING)

     * Affens (CQ Magazine)
     * Bertolino (SWL Page of Radio Rivista, Italy)
     * Bloom (QEX)
     * Buelow (TAPR BBSSIG User Education Working Group)
     * Cebik (Technical Writing, FAQ's)
     * Coletti, et al (Newsline)
     * DeWolf (Media Relations for Clubs, Syndicated Columnist on
       Internet Matters)
     * Lau (QST/QEX)
     * Leavey (73 Magazine RTTY Loop Column)
     * Leynes (Editor-in-Chief, Youthnet News)
     * Lloyd (QRZ! Ham Radio CDROM)
     * Moell, J (Homing In Column and WWW Page)
     * Moore (Co-Host, Ham Radio and More)
     * Moseson (CQ Magazine Online Coordinator)
     * Perens (Linux for Hams CDROM)
     * Ruh (ATV Quarterly)
     * Schleck (FAQ's and auto-faq)
     * Seney (Macnet)
     * Sussman (PACTOR News)
     * Witte (Ham Magazines, Electrical Engineering Publications, and a
       few books)

MEDIUM FREQUENCY (MF, 160 METERS)

     * Ayers
     * Bernstein
     * Butler
     * Gray
     * Stillinger
     * Thomson (LF/MF Radiobeacon DX'ing)
     * Zurn

MICROWAVE

     * Bernstein
     * Goerg (Webb Laboratories RF/Microwave CAE WWW Page)
     * Gunton (Microwave Components/Techlock Distributing WWW Page)
     * Hammill
     * Lau (Transverters up to 24 Ghz)
     * Lee
     * Reynolds (SHF)
     * Stillinger
     * van Vliet (including Power Amplifiers, Low-Noise Amplifiers, and
       Mixers)
     * Veres (Commercial Radio through 12 GHz, 2.5 GHz ITFS TV)

MILITARY AFFILIATE RADIO SYSTEM (MARS)

     * Alexander (Navy)
     * Ayers
     * Browne (Navy)
     * Cartier (Army, CT Director for Emergency Operations)
     * Dodell (Air Force, Mailing List)
     * Gutstadt (Navy/Marine Corps.)
     * Ingerson (Navy/Marine Corps., ME Area of Region ONE)
     * Smith (Air Force)
     * Taylor (Air Force)

MOBILE/PORTABLE/FIELD DAY

     * Adams, I (Mobile and Portable)
     * Ammar (Portable and Field Day)
     * Ayers (Mobile and Portable)
     * Bernstein (Field Day)
     * Boccardi (Field Day)
     * Butler (Field Day)
     * Carruth (FM and HT's)
     * Caserta (Portable)
     * Chahine
     * Cieslak, B (Field Day, Category 2A)
     * Cieslak, C
     * Dean
     * Eisenberg (Mobile)
     * Estes (Bicycle HF)
     * Gray
     * Hare (RFI issues)
     * Hill (including MF, HF)
     * Humphries
     * Ihry
     * Job (Maritime Mobile Service Net)
     * Keller (HF)
     * Morris (Portable)
     * Redding, J (Portable)
     * Salyzyn (HF CW)
     * Schliesser (Mobile)
     * Shelton, J (Field Day)
     * Smith (Mobile and Portable)
     * Stiegler (Manager, Maritime Mobile Service Net)

NATIONAL TRAFFIC SYSTEM (NTS)

     * Boccardi
     * Butler
     * Elmore
     * Goldstein (NCS FL Net, Packet)
     * Neeson (Eastern Canada, Digital Modes)
     * Salyzyn (Canada)
     * Zurn (Europe)

NEW ZEALAND ASSOCIATION OF RADIO TRANSMITTERS (NZART)

     * Andrews (Frequency Management and Technical Advisory Group Chair)
     * Davis (WWW Page)

NORTH AMERICAN CENTER FOR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS (NACEC)

     * Addy (Executive Director and WWW Page)

NOVICE/TECH INSTRUCTION

     * Adams, I
     * Anthony
     * Ayers
     * Been
     * Bellville (K-12 Educator and Consultant)
     * Bono (AutoExam/AutoCW)
     * Chilton
     * Cieslak, C
     * Dean (York - Ontario, Canada - Region Amateur Radio Club
       Instructor)
     * Deutschmann
     * DeWolf (Ottowa Valley, Canada Instructor)
     * Dworkin
     * Galazka
     * Glago (Public Service for Beginning Amateurs)
     * Gray
     * Hill (CW Learning Hints)
     * Ihry
     * Larson
     * Madsen, et al
     * Maia (W5YI Group Education Division)
     * Mills
     * Morris
     * Muenzler
     * Myers (including Basic Electronics and Communications Theory)
     * Neff
     * Paperman
     * Redding, J
     * Redding, T
     * Reeves
     * Smith
     * Stader
     * Twigger (Amateur Radio Exam Practice WWW Page)

PACKET AND DIGITAL NETWORKING

     * Ackermann (including TCP/IP, TAPR, Net-SIG, and Kantronics D4-10
       19.2kBaud Radio Modems, Joint IP Coordinator for Ohio Subnet)
     * Angus (TCP/IP, NOS, UUPC, Tnet, and SNEWS, SCO Xenix, Windows 95,
       IP Coordinator for CA - LA County Subnet)
     * Bellville (including Rose)
     * Bloom (ARRL CNC Contact)
     * Boccardi (including APRS)
     * Buelow (TAPR BBSSIG User Education Working Group)
     * Butler
     * Caserta
     * Cieslak, C
     * Coffman (GRAPES 56 kBaud Radio Modems)
     * Cole (TCP/IP and NOS)
     * Coyle
     * Dawson (Linux HAM and AX.25 HOWTO's, ampr.org IP Coordinator for
       Sydney, Australia, Internet Gateways)
     * Dean
     * Deutschmann
     * Dodell (IP Coordinator for AZ Subnet)
     * Elmers
     * Fracchia (Argentina)
     * Goldstein (TAPR TNC-2 Firmware, Packet Radio and TAPR WWW Server)
     * Graham (KAMterm)
     * Gray
     * Huntting (KaWin WWW Page)
     * Ingerson (TCP/IP, IP Coordinator for Maine Subnet)
     * Johnson, C
     * Karn (SQPSK Software Modem for Amateur Satellites)
     * Leadmon (IP Coordinator for MD Subnet)
     * Lee (Korea)
     * Leynes (TCP/IP)
     * Madsen, et al (Iowa State Elmers)
     * Meredith (AZ VHF/UHF Digital Coordinator, F6FBB Packet BBS Mailing
       List and Support BBS)
     * Miller (Ventura County, CA ARES Area 6 Packet Radio Training Group
       and WWW Page)
     * Mills
     * Neeson
     * Nerenberg (TCP/IP)
     * Nielsen (TAPR)
     * Redding, J
     * Reynolds (TCP/IP over HF)
     * Salyzyn (Canadian)
     * Sayer (VHF)
     * Schleck (MACA)
     * Schliesser
     * Seney (Macnet)
     * Smith
     * Sproul, K (APRS)
     * Sproul, M (APRS, including WWW Page)
     * Stader (TCP/IP and Macintosh)
     * Vail (TCP/IP, TAPR/9600)
     * Watters

PART-15 BROADCASTING

     * Browne
     * Eisenberg
     * Ornitz

POWER SUPPLIES

     * Adams, I
     * Ayers
     * Butler
     * Cieslak, C
     * Dean
     * Gray
     * Ihry
     * Morris
     * Muenzler
     * Myers
     * Sefranek

PRODUCT INFO/FEEDBACK

     * Bono (AutoExam, AutoCW, et al)
     * Coffman (GRAPES 56 kBaud Radio Modems)
     * Colwell (Advanced Computer Controls and Link Communications
       Repeater Controllers Mailing Lists)
     * Crick (Ham University for Windows)
     * Dawson (Linux HAM and AX.25 HOWTO's)
     * deVolpi (AmSoft and World of Ham Radio Product Announcements
       Mailing List and WWW Page)
     * Douglas (DF Systems WWW Page)
     * Drechsel (Collins Radio Virtual Museum WWW Page)
     * Gilhuly (Kentrol and SkedMan, FTP Archive and WWW Page)
     * Gunton (Microwave Components/Techlock Distributing WWW Page)
     * Huntting (KaWin WWW Page)
     * Keezer (HamView WWW Page)
     * Kile (North American Amateur Radio Equipment Dealers WWW Page)
     * Lloyd (QRZ! Ham Radio CDROM, FTP Archive and WWW Page)
     * Moell, J (Radio Direction Finding Equipment)
     * Muncey (Terry Muncey dba Radio Era Schematics and Documentation
       Archives WWW Page)
     * Paperman (Manuals, Service Information, and Literature)
     * Pascal (Swisslog Ham Radio Log Program)
     * Perens (Linux for Hams CDROM, WWW Page and Mail Server)
     * Seney (Macnet, including Anonymous FTP Archive and WWW Page)
     * Strobel (K6PBT Dealer Directory WWW Home Page)
     * Traubman (Russian Phrases for Amateur Radio)
     * Wier (ICOM Mailing List)

QRP (LOW POWER)

     * Adams, C (QRP-L Mailing List, Standardized Info Sheets on QRP
       Rigs)
     * Buydens
     * Caserta
     * Cebik (Periodicals, Electronics Books, and Antenna Books Lists)
     * Dworkin
     * Galazka
     * Halbert (HF)
     * Ihry
     * Muenzler
     * Stockton
     * Zurn

QUARTER CENTURY WIRELESS ASSOCIATION (QCWA)

     * Cebik
     * Cieslak, C
     * Phillips
     * Walsh (WWW Page)
     * Williamson, G

RADIO AMATEURS OF CANADA (RAC)

     * Pulfer (Treasurer, Webmaster, and WWW Page)

RADIO FREQUENCY INTERFERENCE (RFI)

     * Adams, I
     * Ayers
     * Butler
     * Eisenberg
     * Elmore
     * Gray
     * Halle (AZ Repeater Association Interference Committee Chairman)
     * Hare (including Automotive, Telephone, and Cable Television)
     * Ihry
     * Muenzler
     * Myers
     * Orcutt
     * Paperman
     * Sefranek
     * Stockton
     * Thomson (Telephone and Lightning Protection)

RECIPROCAL LICENSING/FOREIGN OPERATION

     * Andrews (New Zealand)
     * Bertolino (Italy)
     * DeWolf (Belize and Canada)
     * Komppa (Foreign Licensing WWW Page)
     * Kumagai (Japanese Operating in the United States)
     * Lao (Philippines)
     * Lynch (Foreigners Operating in Japan)
     * Reis (Brazil)
     * Salyzyn (Canada)
     * Stockton (UK)
     * Witte (Japan)
     * Zurn (Italy and Germany)

REPEATERS

     * Adams, I
     * Ayers
     * Bellville (2m/6m/440)
     * Bernstein
     * Butler
     * Chilton
     * Cieslak, C
     * Colwell (Advanced Computer Controls and Link Communications
       Repeater Controllers Mailing Lists)
     * DePolo (VHF/UHF Design and Construction, Database Manager -
       EPA/SNJ Repeater Coordination Council)
     * DeWolf (Repeater Linking, St. Lawrence Valley Repeater Council
       Frequency Coordinator, Past President of the Champlain Regional
       Repeater Association)
     * Gilbert (State Frequency Coordinator, TX VHF-FM Society)
     * Gray
     * Halle (AZ Repeater Association)
     * Ihry
     * Keller (220 Mhz)
     * Killebrew (VHF and UHF)
     * Madsen, et al
     * Mills
     * Phillips
     * Redding, J
     * Rose (AZ Repeater Association)
     * Schliesser (including VHF)
     * Sefranek (Building and Maintaining)
     * Smith
     * Wilkins (including UHF)
     * Witte (VHF and UHF)

SATELLITES/ORBITAL SATELLITE CARRYING AMATEUR RADIO (OSCAR)/SHUTTLE AMATEUR
RADIO EXPERIMENT (SAREX)

     * Bertolino (RadioSputniks and DOVE Telemetry)
     * D Alessio (Branson School SAREX Project Coordinator)
     * Estes (Mostly Analog, Some Digital, and SAREX)
     * Galazka
     * Gilbert
     * Karn (SQPSK Software Modem)
     * Lee (Korea)
     * Marchant (SAREX School Group Technical Mentor)
     * Morris
     * Roth (Portland, OR Area AMSAT Coordinator, All Modes including
       AO-13 Mode S and Weather Satellites)
     * Stillinger
     * Vekinis (Picosat System and WWW Page)
     * Williamson, P (InstantTrack, OrbitDRV, AMSAT Services)

SCOUTING

     * Ammar
     * Cieslak, B (Radio Merit Badge Advisor)
     * Goldberg (ScoutRadio WWW Page)
     * Halle (Explorer Post Advisor)
     * Ihry
     * Muenzler
     * Sohl (Radio Merit Badge Counselor)

SEARCH FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL INTELLIGENCE (SETI)

     * Bernstein
     * Smit (WWW Page)

SEMINARS/LECTURES

     * Ayers
     * Boccardi
     * Dean
     * Humphries
     * Redding, T
     * Sohl
     * Sussman (Speaker and Host of PACTOR Forum at Dayton Hamvention)
     * Watters

SPREAD SPECTRUM

     * Bible (WWW Page)
     * Karn

TELEVISION, FAST-SCAN (ATV)

     * Chilton
     * Dean
     * Galazka
     * Hammill
     * Larson
     * Pawson (British Amateur Television Club WWW Page)
     * Phillips
     * Ruh (ATV Quarterly)
     * Veres (UHF and 2.5 GHz ITFS TV)

TELEVISION, SLOW-SCAN (SSTV)

     * Bernstein
     * Cieslak, C
     * Dean
     * Galazka
     * Johnson, C
     * Langner (including WWW Page)

TOWERS

     * Ihry

TUSCON AMATEUR PACKET RADIO (TAPR)

     * Ackermann (Net-SIG)
     * Bernstein
     * Buelow (BBSSIG)
     * Goldstein (WWW Page, TNC-2 Firmware)
     * Lee (Korea)
     * Nielsen (File Server and E-mail Contact)

UNIX

     * Angus (including SCO Xenix TCP/IP and Sendmail)
     * Bernstein
     * Buydens
     * Carruth (System Administration, Phoenix, AZ Linux Users Group)
     * Caserta (Linux)
     * Cole (including Linux)
     * Dawson (Linux HAM and AX.25 HOWTO's)
     * Ehrlich
     * Killebrew (including Linux and TNOS)
     * Nerenberg (especially System Administration, Networking, and
       Electronic Mail)
     * Perens (Linux for Hams CDROM)
     * Redding, J
     * Salyzyn (including NeXTSTEP)
     * Sayer (especially SunOS)
     * Schliesser

VERY HIGH FREQUENCY (VHF)/ULTRA HIGH FREQUENCY (UHF)

     * Ammar
     * Ayers
     * Bellville (2m/6m/440 AM/FM/SSB/Packet/QRP/Repeaters)
     * Bernstein
     * Butler
     * Caserta (VHF)
     * Cook (EME and Weak Signal, including WWW Page)
     * Coyle
     * DePolo (VHF/UHF Repeaters, Weak Signal, and Contesting)
     * Deutschmann (Radio Amateurs International Awards Registry)
     * Eisenberg
     * Galazka
     * Gapinski
     * Glago (including Public Service Communications)
     * Gray
     * Hammill (including ATV, Weak Signal, and DX)
     * Humphries (2m FM)
     * Ihry
     * Johnson, C (VHF)
     * Killebrew (VHF and UHF Repeaters)
     * Larson (Weak Signal)
     * Lau (CW/SSB to 222 Mhz)
     * Mills
     * Morris
     * Redding, J
     * Reynolds (VHF/UHF)
     * Schliesser
     * Silva
     * Smith
     * Sohl
     * Stillinger
     * Thomson (Commercial VHF and UHF)
     * Veres (Amateur and Commercial Radio and UHF TV)
     * Wilkins (UHF Propagation and California Amateur VHF Enthusiasts
       WWW Page)
     * Witte (including VHF and UHF Repeaters, Portable, Mountaintopping,
       and Colorado 14er Radio Event)

VOLUNTEER EXAMINER (VE) AND INDUSTRY (COMMUNICATIONS) CANADA (IC) EXAMINER
PROGRAMS

     * Ardai (ARRL VEC Mailing List)
     * Ayers (ARRL and W5YI)
     * Boccardi (ARRL)
     * Butler
     * Cieslak, C
     * DePolo (Univ. of Pennsylvania ARC VE Team Leader)
     * DeWolf (Industry Canada Designated Examiner)
     * Eisenberg
     * Gray (ARRL and Arkansas Area Team Liaison)
     * Ihry
     * Jahnke (ARRL VEC Manager)
     * Kohnen (W5YI)
     * Kumagai (Tokyo, Japan W5YI Contact VE)
     * Maia (W5YI VEC)
     * Neff
     * Paperman
     * Reeves
     * Sefranek (ARRL and W5YI)
     * Shelton, P

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                   Amateur Radio: Elmers Resource Directory

   More information about this list can be found in the companion posting
   to this file, "Amateur Radio: Elmers List Info and Administrivia."

   73, Paul, KD3FU

     _________________________________________________________________

   - A -
     _________________________________________________________________

John Ackermann AG9V

   [e-mail] -or- [e-mail]

   My primary interests are in packet radio network building
   (particularly higher speed stuff) and TCP/IP. I've got quite a lot of
   info on using the Kantronics D4-10 19.2kB radios, as that's the
   hardware we've been struggling with here.

   TAPR (Tuscon Amateur Packet Radio) has formed a special interest group
   to discuss issues of regional packet networking (Net-SIG). As a
   result, the TAPR net-sig mailing list was born, and is now ready for
   operation.

   This list is <not> intended to replace any of the existing
   packet-related mailing lists. Its purpose is provide a medium for
   communications among those interested in packet radio networking, both
   dealing with technical issues and political/regulatory ones. We'll
   discuss things like how the potential 219MHz band will fit into the
   networking picture, how to link areas using different networking
   schemes, how to set network parameters, etc. The list's charter will
   be posted there regularly.

   The address of the list is [e-mail] and you can subscribe by
   sending mail to [e-mail] with the text "join netsig".

   Apart from subscribing to the list, you can contact me for further
   details about the Net-SIG (including upcoming conferences).

  Joint ampr.org IP Coordinator for Ohio subnet (44.070.xxx.xxx)

   Please direct all correspondence regarding the assignment of ampr.org
   IP numbers in Ohio to:

   [e-mail]

   which is a mailing list read by a team of coordinators.

   [Editor's note: All ampr.org coordinators are listed in the document
   at:

   ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/amprnets

   ]
     _________________________________________________________________

Chuck Adams K5FO

   [e-mail]

  Maintainer of Standardized Info Sheets on QRP Rigs

   They are available from the QRP-L WWW Pages at:

     * http://qrp.cc.nd.edu/QRP-L/index.html
     * http://www.lehigh.edu/lists/Archives/qrp-l/ (on or after June 1,
       1995)

  Owner of QRP-L Mailing List

   The QRP mailing list is open for discussion of any subjects relating
   to low-power amateur radio operation. Example topics: portable
   operation, equipment design and construction, solar and battery power,
   QRPp, contesting, kit building, etc.

   This list was started by me with an announcement on the
   rec.radio.amateur.misc USENET group in early 1993. Bruce Walker, WT1M,
   maintained the mailing lists and FTP area from then through August
   1994 on a system at Thinking Machines Inc., think.com. Then it was
   moved to [e-mail] until May 14th, 1995. Thanks to Mike Ardai,
   N1IST, for all his hard work during the time that QRP-L was on
   netcom.com.

   I am still the keeper of the non-electronic archives, including copies
   of some schematics, etc. Contact me directly or watch this list for
   more info.

   To subscribe, send E-mail to:

   [e-mail]

   and in the body of the message, write:

        SUBSCRIBE QRP-L your_name your_call

   where "your_name" is your real name, and "your_call" is your callsign,
   if any. For example:


        SUBSCRIBE QRP-L John Doe K5FJZ

   A welcome message with more detailed help will follow shortly.

   To unsubscribe, type:

        UNSUBSCRIBE QRP-L

     _________________________________________________________________

Ian Adams N3UOC

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]

   PSU Behrend MB 527
   5091 Station Road
   Erie, PA 16563

     * ARES
     * Mobile/Portable
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Power Supplies
     * RFI
     * Repeaters

     _________________________________________________________________

Edward Addy KE0EG

   [e-mail]

  Executive Director, North American Center for Emergency Communications

   After a large disaster strikes your community and your family, I am
   sure you will agree that its a little late to start building a massive
   rapid response, emergency communications system supported by thousands
   of people within companies, organizations and serving as volunteers to
   provide essential support services.

   We are the North American Center For Emergency Communications Inc.
   (NACEC), a federally-registered non-profit organization serving North
   America since 1992. We have been developing a system that merges many
   different technologies to create a unique, high-capacity,
   rapidly-deployable solution to the problem of communications outages
   and shortages that occur following a large disaster. Our volunteer
   network in using the Internet as its communications backbone, is
   itself using one of the many technologies employed in NACEC's overall
   solution.

   To help ensure the greatest possible effectiveness in as many
   communities as possible throughout North America, we are developing a
   very large volunteer network of community volunteers (Community
   Ambassadors) who work with our staff and their local communities. If
   you are community active and are interested in helping, we need your
   help, NOW. Please, don't wait until disaster strikes, help us to be
   prepared and be ready to assist your community.

   The more communities that are represented by our volunteer network,
   the more effective we can be in disaster preparedness, emergency
   operations and in the area of emergency and military family message
   handling and delivery.

   As a NACEC volunteer (Community Ambassador) you will assist with the
   movement of information that is vital to the continued success and
   growth of this organization and the survivability of your family and
   your community following a large disaster.

   This project is growing rapidly, as we locate and add new dedicated
   volunteers from as many communities as possible from across North
   America. I hope you will join us in making this organization a
   success.

   To find out more about how you can get involved in this project and
   use your Internet skills to help your community, please review the
   information that is in our WWW Homepage area which can be found at:

   http://www.nacec.org/

   An electronic volunteer application form can also be found there as
   well. Should you have any questions, please address them to my E-mail
   address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Steven C. Affens K3SA

   [e-mail]

   http://www.access.digex.net/~k3sa/steve.html

  Maintainer of the CQ Magazine World-Wide Web Home Page:

   http://www.access.digex.net/~cqmag/

   (see also Rich Moseson)
     _________________________________________________________________

David Alexander KG7ZQ, NNN0IID

   [e-mail]

  Navy MARS

     _________________________________________________________________

Ali Ammar KE6YCJ

   [e-mail]

   http://www.10mb.com/ali/

   AX.25: KE6YCJ@K6LY.#CENCA.CA.US.NOAM

   Voice: [phone]
   FAX/Modem: [phone]

   898 Laine Street
   Monterey, CA 93940

     * ARES
     * Batteries
     * Field Day
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Portable
     * Scouting
     * VHF

     _________________________________________________________________

David Andrews ZL2SX

   [e-mail]

   I have been involved with the Amateur Radio International Travel Host
   scheme. I also chair the NZART Frequency Management and Technical
   Advisory Group, which is responsible for all repeater coordination and
   band-planning (LF, MF, HF, VHF, UHF, and above) in New Zealand. I
   would be pleased to answer any queries with regard to reciprocal
   licensing or frequency coordination that may arise.
     _________________________________________________________________

Jeff Angus WA6FWI

   [e-mail]

   I run NOS as a tcp/ip <--> AX.25 mail bbs gateway. I also run a few
   nodes, And, I have successfully installed UUPC/extended 1.11k and
   SNEWS for those MS-DOS afficionados out there. SCO UNIX, Win95
   networking information available.

  ampr.org IP Coordinator for California - Los Angeles County (44.016.xxx.xxx)

   Hardware, software and wetware questions answered either with correct
   answers or the name of someone who does know.

   J. Angus, 15900 Crenshaw Blvd. Suite G533 Gardena, CA 90249-4832.
   Phone numbers: [phone] pager or [phone] voice.

   [Editor's note: All ampr.org coordinators are listed in the document
   at:

   ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/amprnets

   ]
     _________________________________________________________________

John C. Anthony K4PCA

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   132 Covered Bridge Rd.
   Sautee, GA 30571

     * Antennas
     * Antique and Older Equipment
     * Novice/Tech Instruction

     _________________________________________________________________

Mike Ardai N1IST

   [e-mail]

  Boston Amateur Radio Club Webmaster

   http://www.barc.org/barc.html

  Maintainer of the following Boston Amateur Radio Club mailing lists:

     * newsline-list (Amateur Radio Newsline)
     * letter-list (ARRL Letter)
     * ky1n-list (KY1N VEC listing, Local Eastern MA VE sessions)
     * barc-list (Boston Amateur Radio Club mailing list)
     * barc-races (RACES in Eastern MA and Roy Engelhausen's CA posts)
     * fieldorg-l (ARRL Field organization discussions)
     * ham-tech (Untamed technical discussions about the hobby)
     * fox-list (Fox hunting (Radio direction finding))
     * arrl-exam-list (amateur radio license examinations scheduled in
       the US and in some foreign areas.)
     * arrl-ve-list (ARRL VE Announcements, run by ARRL VEC Bart Jahnke)
     * arrl-nediv-list (Announcements from the director of the ARRL NE
       division)

   To join any or all of the above:

   Send a message to:

   [e-mail]

   In the body of the message, type:

        subscribe list_you_want

   Since there appears to be no hope that Netcom will ever improve its
   mailing list services, w1aw-list has been moved to a server down at
   ARRL headquarters. See Jeff Bauer's entry for more information if you
   wish to continue to receive W1AW bulletins.

   There is no need to unsubscribe from the Netcom list. I'll take care
   of that myself.

   Thanks again for your support and patience with my w1aw-list over the
   years. Note that this change will not affect any of the other
   ham-radio related lists at Netcom.
     _________________________________________________________________

John B. Ayers AA1IC, AAR1BQ

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: AA1IC@K1UAQ.#NNH.NH.USA.NOAM

   Voice/FAX/Modem: [phone]

   RR2 Box 160
   Lyndonville, VT 05851

     * AMTOR/RTTY
     * Antennas
     * Antique and Older Equipment
     * Batteries
     * DSP
     * Equipment Testing/Troubleshooting
     * HF
     * Homebrewing
     * IBM PC's
     * 160 Meters
     * Army MARS
     * Mobile/Portable
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Power Supplies
     * RACES/SKYWARN
     * RFI
     * Repeaters
     * Seminars/Lectures
     * VHF/UHF

   ARRL and W5YI Volunteer Examiner

   Experienced with both vacuum-tube and solid-state equipment.
     _________________________________________________________________

   - B -
     _________________________________________________________________

Jeff Bauer WA1MBK

   [e-mail]

   American Radio Relay League
   225 Main Street
   Newington, CT 06111-1494
   [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

  Manager and Chief Operator, ARRL Headquarters Station W1AW

  Owner of w1aw-list ARRL Bulletin Mailing List

   To subscribe, send E-mail to:

   [e-mail]

   with the following in the subject (not the body) of the message:

        subscribe [e-mail]

   where [e-mail] is your E-mail address. To unsubscribe, send:
         unsubscribe [e-mail]

   For information about the ARRL info server, send E-mail to
   [e-mail] with the word "HELP" in the message body.

   See Cheyenne Greatorex's entry for information about the ARRL
   Anonymous FTP Archive and David Newkirk's entry for information about
   the ARRL World-Wide Web Home Page.

   Please direct any other inquiries to my E-mail address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

William L. (Bill) Been KE6MUE

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]

   500 Redondo Ave. #307
   Long Beach, CA. 90814
   USA

     * Apple Macintosh Computer
     * CW
     * Novice/Tech Instruction

     _________________________________________________________________

Rob Bellville N1NTE


 <a href="http://www.ultranet.com/~bellvill/">Rob's cobWeb Page</a>
 ------------------------------------------------------------------
 Rob Bellville, N1NTE     |    <[e-mail]>
 PO Box 515               | Got an old PC or Mac? Millbury Schools
 Millbury, MA 01527       | are looking for donations dead or alive!
 ------------------------------------------------------------------
           Technical Supervisor, Millbury Public Schools
       Computer Technology and Radio Communications Consultant
 *** World-Wide Web Creation Services - Business and Individual ***
 ------------------------------------------------------------------

     * Experience:
          + Computer Networking Hardware Technical Engineer (Yuck!)
          + Computer Education and Technology Consultant (PC/Mac HW & SW)
          + K-12 Computer Educator/Instructor/Technician in a public
            school
          + Two-way Radio Consultant
          + NetRead(tm) author (Articles via Internet)
     * Interests:
          + VHF/UHF simplex
          + Duplex and simplex repeaters
          + Remote Bases
          + 6M - AM/SSB/FM
          + 2M - AM/SSB/FM/Packet
          + 440 MHz FM
          + Would try 1.2GHz if there was any local activity!
          + VHF/UHF QRP
          + Fixing radios old and new
          + Setting up a packet radio file server (ROSErver)
          + Internet - Usenet newsgroups, FTP, etc...
          + Scanners, SWL, and making CB radio useful again
          + PC and Mac computers - hardware and software
          + Communications for neighborhood crime watches
          + Caching radio equipment for that *special* occasion

   I also maintain the following radio-related Web pages:

   Scanner:
          http://www.ultranet.com/~bellvill/scanner.html

   Ham Radio:
          http://www.ultranet.com/~bellvill/ham.html

   CB Radio:
          http://www.ultranet.com/~bellvill/cb.html

   Please feel free to contact me either by E-mail or US Mail. Will be
   happy to share the knowledge!
     _________________________________________________________________

Sacha J. Bernstein N2NSZ

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   http://www.ee.gatech.edu/users/sacha/

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone]

   Atlanta/Marietta, GA
   USA

     * College Clubs
     * Contesting
     * DX
     * EME
     * Field Day
     * GRAPES
     * HF
     * Homebrewing
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * 160 Meters
     * Microwave
     * Mobile
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Packet And Digital Networking
     * Portable
     * RTTY
     * Repeaters
     * SETI/Radio Astronomy
     * SSTV
     * TAPR
     * VHF/UHF
     * UNIX

  President, Georgia Tech ARC, W4AQL

  Former ARES AEC, Huntington, NY

     _________________________________________________________________

Maurizio Bertolino


________________________________________________________________
   I121171 Maurizio Bertolino - Short Wave Listener - Italy
  SWL Manager of A.R.I.  (Italian Amateur Radio Association)
  Sysop of Trance *free* BBS in Italy [phone] 28,8 bps
E-mail:[e-mail]     JRC-NRD535 Kenwood R5000 AOR3000A

    425 DX NEWS Weekly Bulletin    WWW PAGE     (NEW SITE!!!)

- ------->>  http://promet12.cineca.it/htdx/index.html <<---------

   NEWS, INFO, RUMORS, DXPEDITIONS, IOTA ACTIVITIES and more

    DX CALENDAR, WABA AWARD (rules & scores) now available

           in English Version and Italian Version

      Same server of the IK4LZH site for QSL MANAGERS.

   I am an IOTA chaser, I work DX and I join contests. Actually I'm in
   love with RS sats and DOVE telemetry. I'm the Shortwave Listening
   (SWL) coordinator of the Italian Amateur Radio Association and I have
   a regular SWL page in their official magazine Radio Rivista. Recently
   I joined the 425 gang that produces the 425 DX News bulletin. I
   translate it into English and send it to many DXers via E-Mail. I also
   maintain a WWW page to provide the bulletins graphically with previous
   numbers and more to come. I've been an SWL since 1974 when I received
   a receiver as gift from my parents. Now I'm 36 and I'm running also a
   free BBS devoted to HAM/SWL.
     _________________________________________________________________

Steve Bible N7HPR

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

  Spread Spectrum World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.tapr.org/ss/
     _________________________________________________________________

Jon Bloom KE3Z


Jon Bloom, KE3Z              |  [e-mail]
American Radio Relay League  |     Justice is being allowed to do whatever
225 Main St.                 |     I like.  Injustice is whatever prevents
Newington, CT 06111          |     my doing so. -- Samuel Johnson

  QEX Editor

  Digital Signal Processing (DSP)

  Collecting information for the next annual ARRL Computer Networking
  Conference:

   http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/dccconf.html

   For information about the ARRL info server, send E-mail to
   [e-mail] with the word "HELP" in the message body.

   See Cheyenne Greatorex's entry for information about the ARRL
   Anonymous FTP Archive and David Newkirk's entry for information about
   the ARRL World-Wide Web Home Page.
     _________________________________________________________________

Brian Boccardi N2MPM

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]

   203 Bishop Blvd.
   North Brunswick NJ 08902

     * APRS
     * ARES/RACES/SKYWARN
     * ARRL VE
     * Apple Macintosh Computer
     * Electrical Safety and Grounding
     * Field Day
     * NTS
     * Packet And Digital Networking
     * Seminars/Lectures

     _________________________________________________________________

Rich Bono NM1D


Rich Bono          NM1D                    Internet: [e-mail]
[phone]                                       [e-mail]

  Author of the following MS-DOS ham programs:

     * AutoExam - Examination simulator and study aid
     * AutoCW - Morse Code practice program
     * DOSGATE - allows users to run programs on your PC remotely
       (AutoExam compatible)
     * AutoCall - Allows use of the Buckmaster HAMCALL CDROM online
       callbook with DOSGATE
     * AutoFax - Allows reception of weather fax using Kantronics TNC's
     * SeeSats - Real time satellite tracking (text only), DOSGATE
       compatible

   Most of these programs are available via anonymous FTP from:

     * ftp://oak.oakland.edu/SimTel/msdos/hamradio/
     * ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/systems/msdos/msdos/hamradio/

   or write me at:

   7 Redfield Circle
   Derry, NH 03038

   and enclose:

     * A FORMATTED high density diskette (either 1.44 MB or 1.2 MB; 3.5"
       or 5.25").
     * A Self Addressed STAMPED return diskette mailer.
     * A note explaining that you want a copy of AutoExam and/or AutoCW
       (or one of the other programs).

   I am always receptive to individuals interested in maintenance,
   enhancements, and non-commercial distribution for these shareware
   programs.
     _________________________________________________________________

Ahmed Boudda CN8GI

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   Voice/FAX: [phone]
   Work: [phone]

   5 Rue Ourgha Agdal
   10000 Rabat
   Morocco

     * ARES
     * AMSAT
     * DX

   Geology and Geophysics
     _________________________________________________________________

Devon Bowen KA2NRC

   [e-mail]

  Maintainer of the rec.radio.amateur.* Supplemental Archives available from:

   ftp://ftp.cs.buffalo.edu/pub/ham-radio/

   [Editor's Note: Fixes have recently been made to the FTP software at
   this site so that the above URL will now work with most Web browsers.]

  Maintainer of the Internet Ham Radio Callbook Server at:

   telnet://callsign.cs.buffalo.edu:2000/

   For further information about the Callbook Server, please consult the
   server's help facility, the rec.radio.amateur.misc FAQ, or additional
   server documentation at:

   ftp://ftp.cs.buffalo.edu/pub/ham-radio/faq_callsign

   Well, I've been talking about it for years. Those of you that have
   talked with me via E-mail know that. But this time I've actually
   started on my rewrite of the callsign server at Buffalo. And I've
   finally got a design that I'm happy with. The new searching
   capabilities are going to be *much* improved over the current system.
   I'll be getting rid of the bugs in the current telnet system and
   making it available to more people. Also coming is a WWW front-end for
   web surfers. Time to step into the 90s.

   Part of the rewrite is an entire reorganization of the database
   look-up system. The old system was very specific to the FCC database
   format because that's all that was available when it was written (yes,
   the server is very, very old). But now there are a number of databases
   floating around the net for different countries and I am rewriting the
   system to be more flexible and to accommodate a variety of formats and
   search types.

   In doing so, I'll have the ability to add data for many more
   countries. That is, of course, if I have the data. In order to do this
   I need help. I need to get in touch with all people that have access
   to databases from countries other than the US. The more up-to-date
   these databases are, the better. If you have access to a database and
   would be willing to donate a copy to the callsign server for everyone
   to use, please contact me. A lot of people would genuinely appreciate
   it.

   The callsign server has become remarkably popular on the net and this
   has happened because the community has contributed so much to it over
   the many years it's been running. I have heard stories of reunions
   with old classmates, stories of silent-keys that have been remembered,
   and stories from blind hams doing simple look-ups of other hams, all
   possible because of the server. Congratulations to the community for
   making this system so useful.

   Work on this project has been delayed such that its completion time is
   somewhere in the indefinite future. In the meantime you can access the
   current server.

   Please direct all other feedback, submissions and administrivia
   regarding these services to my E-mail address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

John M. Brewer WB5OAU


John M. Brewer    WB5OAU        "there's a reason the reset button
[e-mail]            on a PC is on the front panel."

  Wire antennas, restoration, operation and parts/tubes supplies for most
  40's-70's vintage gear.

  Antique and Older Equipment World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.mindspring.com/~johnmb/
     _________________________________________________________________

Mike Bridges AC6SX

   [e-mail]

  Webmaster, Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society

  Tech Bench Elmers World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2775/

   Please direct any submissions, feedback, or administrivia regarding
   the Tech Bench Elmers World-Wide Web Page or the Tech Bench Elmers
   Amateur Radio Society in general to [e-mail].
     _________________________________________________________________

Don Browne KQ4YM, NNN0TFI

   [e-mail]

   http://members.aol.com/browne/

   [phone]

   LaBelle, Florida

     * Batteries
     * Navy MARS
     * Part-15 Broadcasting

     _________________________________________________________________

Alan Brubaker K6XO

   [e-mail]

     * HF Antenna Systems
     * Contest Operating
     * General HF Operations
     * Propagation

     _________________________________________________________________

Tom Bruhns K7ITM

   [e-mail]

     * Electronic Circuits
     * Antennas and Transmission Lines

   My electronics expertise is mostly analog, but I have some insights
   into DSP applications that can do better in what used to be the analog
   dominions. I can be of the most help with low-frequency analog stuff,
   particularly measurements and low-level/low-noise/low-distortion
   applications. I breadboard with IC's, discretes, and surface mounts
   (which I prefer to use now, as surface mounting requires less drilling
   of PCB boards once they are etched). My electrical engineering
   education (Ph.D.) emphasized control systems. I also have a clear
   understanding of transmission line measurements and behavior (a
   personal research interest for the last 25 years or so).
     _________________________________________________________________

Pieter J. T. Bruinsma PA0PHB

   [e-mail]

   AX.25: [e-mail]

   http://www.nikhefk.nikhef.nl/~pieth/

   Voice: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   P.O. Box 4395
   1009 AJ
   Amsterdam
   the Netherlands

  Member, Public Relations Committee, Dutch National Radio Society (VERON)

  VERON World-Wide Web page:

   http://www.nikhefk.nikhef.nl/~pieth/veron/

  Board Member, Woerden Chapter of VERON

  Woerden Chapter World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.nikhefk.nikhef.nl/~pieth/amrad/wnoe.htm
     _________________________________________________________________

Barry Buelow WA0RJT


Barry Buelow     WA0RJT     Packet BBS in Cedar Rapids, IA
[e-mail]     [e-mail]

   The Tuscon Amateur Packet Radio (TAPR) Bulletin Board Special Interest
   Group (BBSSIG) is sponsoring a working group to generate and
   distribute a series of information bulletins which will serve to
   instruct packet radio users in a variety of areas. These bulletins
   will be distributed via the packet network and can be retained at each
   BBS in a file area. An index will be provided to allow users to find
   information they desire.

   If you are interested in actively participating in this effort and can
   work on a collaborative effort, please speak up. Send a message to my
   E-mail address above.

   [Editor's Note: As this project is still very much a work in progress,
   and its eventual products will certainly be made available via several
   information sources (including the Internet) as soon as they are
   completed, I'm sure Barry would appreciate it if only serious
   volunteer contributors contacted him at this time.]
     _________________________________________________________________

Paul Butler AB5TD

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone]

   1816 WestRidge Dr.
   Plano, TX 75075
   USA

     * ARES/RACES/SKYWARN
     * AMTOR/RTTY
     * Antennas
     * Antique and Older Equipment
     * BBS's
     * CW
     * DSP
     * HF/DX
     * Equipment Testing/Troubleshooting
     * Field Day
     * Homebrewing
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * LF
     * 160 Meters
     * NTS
     * Packet and Digital Networking
     * Power Supplies
     * RFI
     * Repeaters
     * VHF/UHF
     * Volunteer Examiner

     _________________________________________________________________

Brian Buydens VE5RDV

   [e-mail]

   http://duke.usask.ca/~buydens/

     * Apple Macintosh Computer
     * IBM PC's
     * QRP
     * UNIX

     _________________________________________________________________

   - C -
     _________________________________________________________________

Rusty Carruth N7IKQ


Rusty Carruth aka N7IKQ aka [e-mail] (NIC: RC541)

The Phoenix Linux User's group has formed!  Details: me.
Join the Usenet Un-Net:      1700-1900Z  Saturdays, 28.410 or 28.390 MHz

   I'm willing to act as a reference for anyone wanting info on getting
   tapes (especially Callsign tapes) from the Department of Commerce
   National Technical Information Service (NTIS) or wanting other info on
   callsign-project related stuff.

   One of these days I'll actually be around for the un-net! I promise,
   really!

   My job is currently System Administrator for a large Unix site so I
   know a little bit about day-to-day Unix operations and Unix
   installation :-) I also have much experience with constructing E-mail
   paths that will work rather than bounce.

   I also have a fair amount of experience in hardware/software
   interfacing and machine control.
     _________________________________________________________________

Rob Cartier KD1JG, AAR1FU

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   AX.25: [e-mail]
   MARS AX.25: [e-mail]

   112 Fieldbrook Road
   Middletown, CT 06457-1756
   [phone] Work
   [phone] Home

  Connecticut Director for Emergency Operations, Army MARS

   I also run a full-service MSYS BBS and have close ties with the other
   services in my state.
     _________________________________________________________________

Mirko Caserta IK0ZSN

   [e-mail]

   http://www.fr.flashnet.it/~mirko/

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone]

   Via Lazio, 6
   03030 Roccasecca (FR)
   Italy

     * CW
     * HF
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Packet and Digital Networking
     * Portable
     * QRP
     * UNIX
     * VHF

   I'm the 425 DX News Mailing List maintainer. Further info at:

   http://www.fr.flashnet.it/cgi-bin/425dxnews-list

   I'm the webmaster for:

   http://www.fr.flashnet.it

   (maybe soon www.saiu.it) and the FTP owner of:

   ftp://ftp.fr.flashnet.it/

   There's a /pub/ham directory there. There's not much at the moment but
   you may use it if you want. Just send new software under /incoming
   including a file which tells what kind of software it is.

   Expertise includes anything related to the Internet.

   I used to work HF, mostly CW and QRP.

   I also love Linux but never used it for ham radio, except for a
   satellite tracking software :)
     _________________________________________________________________

L. B. Cebik W4RNL


L. B. Cebik, W4RNL       /\  /\     *   /  /    /  (Off) [phone]
1434 High Mesa Drive    /  \/  \/\     ----/\---   (Hm)  [phone]
Knoxville, Tennessee   /\   \   \ \   /  / || /    (FAX) [phone]
37938-4443     USA    /  \   \   \ \       ||      [e-mail]

  Maintainer of List of Periodicals of Interest to QRP Enthusiasts, Electronic
s
  Books of Interest to QRP Enthusiasts, and Antenna Books of Interest to QRP
  Enthusiasts

   Available from the QRP-L WWW Page at:

   http://qrp.cc.nd.edu/QRP-L/index.html

   Since QRP-L has moved to lehigh.edu, the articles will also appear at
   this address on or about June 1, 1995:

   http://www.lehigh.edu/lists/Archives/qrp-l/

   (Note: the "A" in Archives is capitalized.)

   Please direct all submissions, feedback, and administrivia for these
   articles to my E-mail address above.

  10-X International World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.lehigh.edu/lists/tenten-l/

  10-X International Mailing List:

   To subscribe, send E-mail to:

   [e-mail]

   and in the body of the message, write:

        SUBSCRIBE tenten-l your_name your_call

   where "your_name" is your real name, and "your_call" is your callsign,
   if any. For example:


        SUBSCRIBE tenten-l John Doe K5FJZ

   A welcome message with more detailed help will follow shortly.

   To unsubscribe, type:

        UNSUBSCRIBE tenten-l

   (10-X International is an amateur radio organization devoted to
   encouraging the use of the 10 Meter, or 28 MHz, amateur band. They are
   primarily known for their "10-X" numbers which members exchange during
   communications on that band.)

   I serve as an Educational Advisor to ARRL and hence fall within the
   loose bounds of their field organization. I know something of the
   fundamentals in electronics, having written the current Chapter 6 of
   the 1995 ARRL Handbook, and something of antennas, with a series
   appearing in Communications Quarterly. I serve on the Board of
   Directors of 10-X International and maintain memberships in most of
   the QRP organizations, as well as the Quarter Century Wireless
   Association (QCWA). As to what I do not know, there are no limits.

   I also know something of the craft of technical writing and editing,
   being director of Techwright, an occasional consulting operation in
   this field with my wife, Jean, N4TZP, who has been a technical editor
   and writer since 1980.
     _________________________________________________________________

James A. Chahine AC5AK

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   [phone]

   2509 N. Kansas
   El Paso, TX 79902

     * Antennas
     * Morse Code
     * Digital Signal Processing (DSP)
     * Mobile/Portable/Field Day

     _________________________________________________________________

Mark Cheeseman VK2XGK

   [e-mail]

  Maintainer of the aus.radio FAQ

   A copy of the FAQ may be obtained from:

   ftp://grivel.une.edu.au/pub/ham-radio/aus.radio/faq/australia

   Please direct all feedback, submissions and administrivia to my E-mail
   address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Ken Chilton KA1TIH

   53 Alan Road
   Marlborough, MA 01752
   [e-mail]
   Design Engineer

     * Amateur Qualifications:
          + Trustee of the Algonquin Amateur Radio Club Repeaters:
            446.675 -- 223.86 -- 53.47
          + Assistant Radio Officer for the City of Marlborough Emergency
            Management Agency
          + NESMC Region 440 MHz frequency coordinator
          + Trained in Electronics Engineering, Electrical Engineering,
            Computer Sciences, Computer Programming, and Management
          + Knowledgeable in Rules, Regs, and interpretations
     * Areas I am also interested:
          + Homebrewing
          + Repeater Hardware, Control, Operation
          + Packet (AX.25)
          + Net Control Operations
          + Electromagnetics and EMP
          + HF SSB and CW operating
          + Satellite and Shuttle operation
          + Amateur Television
          + Elmering new HAMs

     _________________________________________________________________

Brian Cieslak AE9K

   [e-mail]

  Radio Scouting Merit Badge Advisor

  Field Day Operations

   (Our club, the W/K ARC, has finished first in Wisconsin in the 2A
   Category for the last 10 years.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Chris Cieslak AA9HD

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/ccieslak/

     * Antennas
     * Batteries
     * Commercial Equipment
     * Morse Code
     * DX
     * Field Day
     * HF
     * Homebrewing
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Mobile
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Packet Radio
     * Portable
     * Power Supplies
     * QRP
     * Repeaters
     * SSTV
     * Volunteer Examiner Programs (information about sessions)

     _________________________________________________________________

Joe Cira KB6AXK

   [e-mail]

  ARRL Affiliated Club Coordinator (ACC) for Los Angeles, California

  Sysop of HAM*INFO*LINK*SOURCE*BBS

   [phone]

   Free access, 24 hours a day, at most popular modem speeds

   Running Wildcat 4.01 on a 66 Mhz 486 with 2.1 GB of disk-space

   Featuring:

     * QSL Route Database
     * Club Info
     * Newsletters
     * Bulletins
     * Shareware
     * Equipment Modifications
     * Test Question Pools
     * VE exam and class lists for all of Southern California
     * and much more...

     _________________________________________________________________

Gary Coffman KE4ZV


Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |  You make it,  | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |  we break it.  | with previous uucp addresses
534 Shannon Way             |  Guaranteed!   | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                |

  GRAPES 56 kBaud Packet Radio Modems

   I'm not an official representative of the Georgia Radio Amateur Packet
   Enthusiasts Society (GRAPES), but I am in contact with them, and have
   experience using their 56 kBaud radio modems. At the very least, I can
   forward requests I can't handle to the proper people.

   The Proceedings of the 6th Computer Networking Conference has a paper
   by WA4DSY explaining the theory and practice of the 56 kBaud radio
   modem. (I think it's the 6th, I don't have my copy handy.)

   GRAPES furnishes instructions for modifying a TNC2 to drive the modem,
   but there are better solutions. The Ottawa PI card and the Gracilis
   PacketTwin card are two good solutions. Of course they are PC bus
   cards. If you need standalone capability, the Kantronics Data Engine
   can handle it, as can the incredible Gracilis PacketTen. PacComm
   claims their new Sprint TNC can, too (PacComm now also manufactures
   the Gracilis cards under license and you can get them either from them
   or from Gracilis direct).

   WA4DSY has interfaced raw telco codecs to the modems and done "digital
   voice" while mobile. It works quite well.

   If you want information on the RF modem (full document sets are $20
   US, creditable towards a later order) write to GRAPES at

   GRAPES, Inc
   PO Box 636
   Griffin, GA 30224-0636

   GRAPES is a volunteer networking organization. There's no phone
   number, and turnaround on info requests may be slower than when
   dealing with commercial outfits. Please cut the volunteers a little
   slack.

   (The GRAPES WWW Home Page is moving to its own dedicated machine at a
   new ISP. This will give GRAPES direct T1 access to the Internet. It
   will provide comprehensive GRAPES information, support, and online
   ordering facilities. I'm told this will all be up and running in a few
   weeks. Bruce Nebergeld and Dennis Barrow, both former GRAPES
   presidents and net wizards, are spearheading this effort.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Derrick C. Cole KC4WEJ

   [e-mail]

   I'm a Network/Systems Analyst with a national systems integration
   firm. My professional fortes are UNIX-based system administration,
   sendmail, TCP/IP-based ethernet network engineering, network systems
   security (including firewalls), and programming (primarily Perl and
   C).

   I've had notable success dealing with issues surrounding PC's, DOS,
   Windows and various applications/protocol stacks, including PC-NFS and
   LAN Workplace.

   I'm still clueless in the electrical/circuit department.
     _________________________________________________________________

Steve Coletti


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   NOTICE: When Newsline is transmitted in its full form over voice or
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     _________________________________________________________________

Richard R. (Rich) Colwell WA3QKX


Richard R. Colwell              WA3QKX
University of Pittsburgh        President
School of Engineering           Greater Pittsburgh VHF Society (WA3BAK/R)
664 Benedum Hall                Link Communication Controller RLC-3 User
Pittsburgh, PA  15227           146.610MHz -  444.950MHz +  223.980MHz -
                                145.330MHz
PHONE - [phone]         [e-mail]
FAX   - [phone]

WEB - http://www.engrng.pitt.edu/~rrc2/
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * * * * ** * * * * * * *

  Maintainer of Advanced Computer Controls (ACC) and Link Mailing Lists

   The ACC list has approximately 60 members at this time. I am trying to
   restrict the list to only ACC users (control people) and owners. The
   list is also supported by the new owner of all the rights to ACC, Link
   Communications. I am also running the Link repeater controller list
   server. It has approximately 90 members at this time.

   The way to join the list server is to send me a short E-mail and tell
   me what equipment you are using.

   (Note: I have no ties to Link Communications or ACC. I started the
   Link list first and found how useful it is. I had a lot of requests to
   start the ACC list and did it.)

  Link Communications World-Wide Web Home Page:

   http://www.link-comm.com/
     _________________________________________________________________

Mike Cook AF9Y

   [e-mail]

  Earth-Moon-Earth (EME) and Weak Signal World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.webcom.com/af9y/

   (I'm not able to do much elmering beyond answering the questions
   generated by my Web page. You can certainly E-mail me for further
   information about EME, but with the 30+ E-mail messages received a
   day, my responses will be limited.)
     _________________________________________________________________

William (Bill) Coyle N3OGH

   [e-mail]

   AX.25: [e-mail]

   My primary experience is with HF communications, particularly with the
   Kenwood TS-830S and TS-940/AT. My preferred mode is CW, although I
   also use SSB. I have had experience with light service on both rigs
   (including the internal antenna tuner on the 940 and the tube finals
   on the 830). I have the service manual for the 940.

   I am particularly interested in helping new hams design and set up HF
   stations with multi-band wire antenna arrays.

   Other than HF, I am also involved in VHF and UHF, particularly 2
   meters, and have recently gotten involved in packet radio (having
   gained some experience on the hardware end of setting up such a
   station).
     _________________________________________________________________

Michael Crick

   [e-mail]

   Bellevue, WA

   http://crick.com/mica/

   I design and write software. I have written a top of the line Ham
   Radio training program for Windows called "Ham University". You can
   download a free demo copy from my web site.

   I also helped write Microsoft Windows. I am not a ham operator but
   more of a web nut (I was part of the group at BBN that developed the
   ARPANET back in 1967). However, in designing Ham University, I got a
   lot of expert advice. I think it will meet many people's training
   needs.
     _________________________________________________________________

Jon Currie KC5UGK

   [e-mail]

   http://www.jedi.net/jon/

     * IBM PC's & Clones
          + mostly DOS, Windows 3.x & 95, and Linux.
          + hardware knowledge (I work at a computer company)
     * Internet Services (Mail/FTP/WWW)

     _________________________________________________________________


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     _________________________________________________________________

   - D -
     _________________________________________________________________

Matthew A. (Matt) D Alessio KC6VIM

   [e-mail] -- send here first, please!
   [e-mail]

   I cannot claim to be an expert in any field, but I did participate in
   SAREX as the project coordinator for our school (The Branson School)
   in the STS-64 mission. I will be happy to help anybody else who is
   interested in any and all aspects of the SAREX project. I also know a
   little bit about UNIX administration, but I find myself asking
   questions more often than answering them.

   I am a high school senior, so my real area of expertise is getting
   young people involved in ham radio. I was a speaker at the Dayton
   HamVention Youth Forum, and am active in recruiting in my local
   community.
     _________________________________________________________________

Steve Davis ZL2UCX

   [e-mail]

   Mobile: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   P.O. Box 120
   Christchurch
   New Zealand

  New Zealand Association of Radio Transmitters (NZART) World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.nzart.org.nz/

   (NZART is New Zealand's national amateur radio society.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Terry Dawson VK2KTJ

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

  Maintainer of the Linux HAM and AX.25 HOWTO's

   Available from:

   http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/HAM-HOWTO.html

   http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/AX25-HOWTO.html

   Please direct any feedback, submissions, or administrivia regarding
   these resources to my E-mail address above.

   I've been an active Linux advocate since it first appeared on the
   Internet. I was looking for an operating system that would better meet
   the needs of my interest in Amateur Radio and provide me with an
   environment in which I could actively experiment and develop. Linux
   provides that and I've been promoting its use within Amateur Radio
   ever since.

   I'm an early contributing member of the Linux Documentation Project,
   and you'll find the amassed works for it at:

   http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/

  ampr.org IP Coordinator for Sydney, Australia Metropolitan Area subnet
  (44.136.xxx.xxx)

   (I'm also the co-administrator of the Sydney University of Technology
   Internet/ampr.org gateway.)

   I'm happy to assist with information relating to:

     * Linux, especially when related to Amateur Radio.
     * Amateur Radio Internet Gateways

     _________________________________________________________________

Christopher Dean VE3TBP

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   http://www.openstore.com/yra/

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone]
   Modem: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   349 Penn Ave.
   Newmarket, Ontario L3Y 2S7
   Canada

     * Antique and Older Equipment
     * Homebrewing
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Mobile/Portable/Field Day
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Packet and Digital Networking
     * Power Supplies
     * Seminars/Lectures
     * Amateur Television
     * Slow-Scan Television

   I have taught the Amateur radio course for the York Region Amateur
   Radio Club for the last 2 years I have brought over 30 new Hams from
   13 to 65 years of age into the hobby. I am active in H.F., VHF, and
   UHF voice, digital and television modes (both Fast and Slow-Scan TV).
   I am also a specialist in large computer backup systems and computer
   networking (all platforms) and am responsible for the web site(s) and
   E-Mail systems at Open Storage Solutions
     _________________________________________________________________

Jeff DePolo WN3A


- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=-
 Jeff DePolo  WN3A     Twisted Pair: H:[phone]  W:[phone] x300
 [e-mail]  RF: 442.1 442.2 442.4 443.8 link system PL 131.8
 Claim to Fame: I got the first speeding ticket on the information superhighwa
y

     * Technical Director, University of Pennsylvania ARC
     * Sponsor/Owner, University of Pennsylvania Linked Repeater System
     * VE Team Leader, University of Pennsylvania ARC VE Team
     * Database Manager, Area Repeater Coordination Council of EPA/SNJ

   Memberships:
          ARRL, UPenn ARC, Holmesburg ARC, NEAR-FAR ARC, Mt. Airy VHF
          Society (Packrats), Mid-Atlantic Radio Club

   Main interests:
          VHF/UHF repeater design, construction, networking, servicing.
          VHF/UHF weak signal, design and construction, antenna design.
          Propagation, anything homebrew, HF DX, VHF/UHF contesting,
          Land-mobile radio communications equipment, digital hardware
          and software design.

     * Volunteer Examiner
     * VHF/UHF Weak Signal and FM
     * College Clubs
     * Repeater design, construction, repair, coordination
     * General Homebrewing
     * Antenna design/theory

     _________________________________________________________________

Gary V. Deutschmann, Sr. N0ZOI

   [e-mail]

   AX.25: N0ZOI@K0PFX.#STL.MO.USA.NA

   12341 Promenade Ln.
   Creve Coeur, MO 63146-5057

   I am the US National Coordinator for RAIAR, Radio Amateurs
   International Awards Registry, we have over 78,000 registered members
   and just over 2,500 general members, plus lifers and charters also.

   RAIAR only deals with the VHF/UHF spectrum for its awards, plus SWL on
   all bands.

   I am ready to help any interested individual obtain his Novice or Tech
   ticket, as well as teach him the ins and outs of VHF Packet.

   Our radio club holds classes for those inclined to advance to General
   and above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Pete deVolpi KC3TL

   [e-mail]

   AmSoft
   PO Box 666
   New Cumberland, PA 17070-3036
   Voice: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   A mailing list for product announcements from AmSoft, publishers of
   the "World of Ham Radio" CDROM software and callsign database for
   amateur radio, is available. To subscribe, contact me at my E-mail
   address above.

  The WWW Site for the "World of Ham Radio" is:

   http://hamster.business.uwo.ca/~amsoft/
     _________________________________________________________________

Peter DeWolf VE3YYY

   [e-mail]

   RR #1
   Braeside, ON K0A 1G0
   Canada

   [phone]

     * Frequency Coordinator for the St. Lawrence Valley Repeater Council
       (http://www.igs.net/slvrc/)
     * Industry (Communications) Canada Designated Examiner
     * Class Instructor for Ottawa Valley
     * Syndicated Columnist on Internet matters.
     * Past President of the Champlain Regional Repeater Association.

  Specific interests and areas I may be of assistance:


     * Canadian Radio Regulations
     * Repeater Linking
     * Examinations for Canadian Licenses
     * SWL's
     * Club media relations

   (used to operate as VP1BCX, V3X, and currently also hold V31FS)

   Please feel free to contact me if you require more information.
     _________________________________________________________________

David Dodell WB7TPY, AFA6GB


Internet: [e-mail]                  FAX: [phone]
Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD                     FidoNet=> 1:114/15
          Amateur Packet ax25: [e-mail]

  Member, USAF MARS

  ampr.org IP Coordinator for Arizona subnet (44.124.xxx.xxx)

   [Editor's Note: All ampr.org coordinators are listed in the document
   at:

   ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/amprnets

   ]

  Owner of the Land-Mobile-Radio Mailing List

   The purpose of this list is to allow discussion about commercial
   land-mobile radio equipment, its use and maintenance.

  Owner of the Military Affiliate Radio Service (MARS) Members Mailing List.

   The purpose of this list is to allow discussion about MARS (Military
   Affiliated Radio Service) activities. The list is open to all branches
   of MARS.

   To subscribe to or unsubscribe from either of the above lists, please
   send electronic mail to:


                 [e-mail]

   and include the command:

                 subscribe list-name

   or

                 unsubscribe list-name

   as the first line of your message, where list-name is either
   land-mobile-radio or mars-list. An acknowledgement/welcome message
   should follow very shortly.

  Moderator of rec.radio.info newsgroup:

   news:rec.radio.info

   Please direct all rec.radio.info submissions to
   [e-mail] and all feedback and administrivia to
   [e-mail].
     _________________________________________________________________

Stephen Douglas K6HZT

   [e-mail]

  DF Systems World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.dfsystems.com/

   P.O. Box 246925
   Sacramento, California 95824-6925

   Specializing in:

     * Amateur Radio
     * Radio Direction Finding (DF)
     * Doppler DF
     * Surplus Electronics and Communications Equipment

     _________________________________________________________________

Norm Drechsel WA3KEY

   [e-mail]

   http://www.users.fast.net/~wa3key/

  Virtual Collins Radio Museum World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.users.fast.net/~wa3key/collins.html

   (Features virtual "exhibits" of Collins radio equipment, as well as
   quite a few links to Collins clubs, parts dealers, and other related
   technical information.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Dr. Marc L. Dworkin WB2YSH

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]

   Charlotte, NC
   USA

     * Equipment Testing/Troubleshooting
     * HF
     * IBM PC's
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * QRP

     _________________________________________________________________

   - E -
     _________________________________________________________________

Thomas Edwards N3HAU

   [e-mail]

   http://w3eax.umd.edu/thomas.html

     * Technopagan Priest
     * Member, University of Maryland ARA - W3EAX
     * Digital Signal Processing (DSP)
     * Electrical and Electronics Engineering

   The UMARA is running a World-Wide Web hypertext page at:

   http://w3eax.umd.edu/w3eax.html

   Give it a try!
     _________________________________________________________________

Scott Ehrlich WY1Z

   [e-mail]

  Internetworking ASM, Eastern Mass.

   I've played around with Mac and PC hardware, as well as dabbling a
   little with DOS, UNIX, and MacOS.

   The Boston Amateur Radio Club World-Wide Web Home Page is now
   maintained by Mike Ardai. See his entry for more information.

   The Boston Amateur Radio Club Anonymous FTP Archives and Ham Radio and
   More Home Page are now maintained by Cheyenne Greatorex. See his entry
   for more information.

   The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) World-Wide Web Home Page has
   now moved to ARRL HQ. See David Newkirk's entry for more information.
     _________________________________________________________________

Jerry Eisenberg K2CFG

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   FAX/Modem: [phone]

   304 Margaret Boulevard
   Merrick, NY 11566
   USA

     * Antique And Older Equipment
     * Batteries
     * Commercial Equipment
     * Equipment Testing/Troubleshooting
     * Homebrewing
     * Mobile
     * Part-15 Broadcasting
     * Radio Frequency Interference (RFI)
     * VHF
     * Volunteer Examiner

   I am available most days; work from home. I am especially interested
   in teaching the practical side of ham radio technology. I will help
   troubleshoot kits, old radios, etc., but will expect the new or
   prospective ham to pitch in.

   Expertise gained from over 40 years of ham radio and almost as many
   years in broadcast engineering.
     _________________________________________________________________

Joerg Elmers DL2BCD, KD6ZYA

   [e-mail]

   [phone]

   Beethovenstr. 6
   22083 Hamburg, Germany

     * Morse Code
     * Packet Radio/Digital Networking

     _________________________________________________________________

Kim Elmore N5OP

   Kim Elmore, N5OP
   1103 South Gay Drive
   Longmont, CO 80501

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: N5OP@WA8ZIA

  I'm the Technical Coordinator for the Colorado Section.

     * Areas of expertise:
          + RFI/EMI
          + Antennas
          + DX'ing
          + Contesting
          + HF propagation
          + CW
     * Areas where I have enough knowledge to be dangerous:
          + Troubleshooting
          + Traffic Handling
          + Homebrewing and construction practices

     _________________________________________________________________

Wayne Estes WD5FFH

   [e-mail]

     * Amateur Satellites
     * Bicycle Mobile HF

   I am most knowledgeable about analog satellites, but I would be
   willing to answer questions about digital satellites and SAREX (I have
   lots of reference information).
     _________________________________________________________________

   - F -
     _________________________________________________________________

Marcelo Fracchia LU9FQT

   [e-mail]

   FAX: [phone]

   P.O. Box 263
   2000 Rosario
   Argentina

  Packet and Digital Networking

     _________________________________________________________________

Robert S. French AC6GO

   [e-mail]

   http://hawg.stanford.edu/~rfrench/

   The Stanford Amateur Radio Club, W6YX, will be taking over the
   Ham-Univ Mailing List for College and University Amateur Radio Clubs,
   effective immediately.

   The new address will be: [e-mail]

   The old address at the New Jersey Institute of Technology will
   continue to work for the time-being as a forwarder to the new address.

   To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to:

   [e-mail]

   with the body saying "subscribe" or "unsubscribe".

   Current subscribers have been automatically added to the new mailing
   list.

   Please let [e-mail] know if there are any
   problems.

   Stanford Amateur Radio Club (W6YX) WWW Page is at:

   http://w6yx.stanford.edu/
     _________________________________________________________________

   - G -
     _________________________________________________________________

Ed Galazka WB8WTB

   [e-mail]

   [phone]

   P.O. Box 424
   Vernon, MI
   (Shiawassee County)

     * Satellites (AMSAT/OSCAR/SAREX)
     * EME
     * Antennas
     * Morse Code
     * DX
     * Equipment Testing/Troubleshooting
     * HF
     * Homebrewing
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * QRP
     * Amateur Television
     * Slow-Scan Television
     * VHF

  Ham Operator since 1975

  Advanced license, Passed Extra CW

   I love CW. My station is all-band, all-mode from QRP to EME, including
   OSCAR, WEFAX, TNC, SSTV, ATV. My strongest areas of expertise are CW,
   antennas, and teaching theory. I would be happy to help individuals or
   groups.
     _________________________________________________________________

Bernie Gapinski DK3ZT, AB7IY

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: DK3XT@DB0GE.#SAR.DEU.EU

   [phone]

   Nelkenweg 7 76706 Dettenheim Germany

   http://www.ilk.de/sites/gap/

  VHF/UHF

     _________________________________________________________________

Mike Gathergood G4KFK

   [e-mail]

   Tel [phone]
   Fax [phone]

  Sysop, The CQ Centre BBS

   [phone] and [phone]

   Fidonet 2:252/320

   Hundreds of Megabytes of Quality Software for Radio Amateurs and SWLs
     _________________________________________________________________

Steven Gibbs GU3MBS

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: [e-mail]7LWM.#27.GBR.EU

   [phone]

   44 Les Prins
   Vale
   Guernsey GY6 8HB
   United Kingdom

  Isle of Guernsey (United Kingdom) Amateur Radio Index World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.guernsey.net/~amateur_radio/
     _________________________________________________________________

Paul Gilbert KE5ZW


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{                                     | Do Not Be Afraid Of Any Man       }
{    Paul Gilbert, KE5ZW              | No Matter What His Size           }
{    Huntsville, TX  77340            | Just Call On Me In Time Of Need.. }
{    [phone]                  | And I Will Equalize!              }
{    [e-mail]             |                    Samuel E. Colt }
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  State Frequency Coordinator, Texas VHF-FM Society

   (We do the repeater coordinating in Texas.)

   I have done HF, Satellites, VHF/UHF, and been in amateur radio for 10
   years. I don't know it all, but through my contacts I can find someone
   that can usually answer most of the questions.

   I also know of several other coordinators in the US and have contacts
   through the ARRL and a BBS.
     _________________________________________________________________

Brian Gilhuly VE3BGB


  Brian Gilhuly VE3BGB         Author of KENTROL, the ultimate in
                               rig control/logging/memory mgmt software
  [e-mail]            for Kenwood HF rigs and MS Windows
  CompuServe: 73257,3131
  Tel/fax: [phone]     Kentrol Web Page:
                               http://www.synapse.net/~kentrol/
  76 McDonald Street S         Kentrol FTP Site:
  Arnprior ON K7S 2W5 Canada   ftp://ftp.synapse.net/private/k/kentrol/

   Kentrol is a Windows 3x control program for Kenwood HF transceivers
   and the R-5000 receiver, which has built-in logging and memory-
   management capabilities. Since its introduction in 1991, Kentrol has
   set the standard for Windows-based rig automation, and new features
   continue to be added regularly. SkedMan is an automated sked manager
   for Kentrol. Enter schedule data, set alarms, and when an alarm goes
   off, SkedMan uses - even launches - Kentrol to tune it in.

   Kentrol and SkedMan are shareware, so if you haven't tried them, you
   are most welcome to do so.
     _________________________________________________________________

J. P. (John) Gilliver G6JPG

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: [e-mail]

  Digital Signal Processing

  Computing and Electronics for the Blind (including Radio)

     _________________________________________________________________

Eran Glago KD6KVO

   [e-mail]

   I am into public service, and also ARES/RACES. I am the Emergency
   Coordinator for both organizations in Sonoma Valley, Sonoma county,
   San Francisco Section of California.

   We do ARES and RACES as one program here, and actually lean more
   towards RACES because the government entities are so supportive.

   I like to encourage newer hams to participate in the events for which
   I coordinate the communications. It's ideal training for emergency
   services, and it's fun, too. Codeless Technicians who can't
   participate on most HF NTS traffic nets have a real role to play here,
   as we generally use VHF and UHF, and these amateurs are instrumental
   with their enthusiasm in filling the rosters.

   It's also sometimes a good initiator for those new hams who are
   self-conscious talking with other, experienced hams one-on-one, but
   are OK talking formally to a net control station. Similarly, I try to
   encourage those new hams who became hams so they could talk to their
   ham spouses, and all you ever hear them do is talk to their spouses
   and to no-one else. While that's perfectly OK in and of itself, public
   service is a good way to break out of that mold and get more fun from
   radio while really helping out.
     _________________________________________________________________

Kathy Goerg

   [e-mail]

  Webb Laboratories RF/Microwave CAE World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.webblabs.com/

   (Featuring information about receiver engineering, structure
   synthesis, and active filter design.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Mel Goldberg KO6TF

   [e-mail]

  Assistant Scoutmaster, Troop 319 & Webmaster Advisor

  ScoutRadio World-Wide Web Page:

   http://scout.net/ScoutRadio/

   ScoutRadio is a "good turn project" of Troop 319, Huntington Beach,
   California USA. Our goal is to promote amateur radio in Scouting,
   including past & present Scouts & Scouters, and being prepared with
   ham radio, helping community and country.

    Current Projects:

     * National Hurricane Center
     * Jamboree-on-the-Air (JOTA) Matchmaking Hams with Troops
     * Scout Discounts on Ham Equipment
     * Donation of old Handheld Transceivers (HT's) to Troops

   Officially ARRL approved as the JOTA info site.

   Learn how to stay in touch on long backpack trips.
     _________________________________________________________________

Robert F. (Bob) Goldman K6BD

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: K6BD@W6TJ.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM

   http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/4333/

   [phone]

   I am always open to Elmering....anyone is welcome to contact me.

  Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society

   (Devoted to homebrewing and technical amateur radio in general)

   (See also Mike Bridges.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Howard Goldstein N2WX


Howard Goldstein   |  "Civilization is the distance man  |  [e-mail]
N2WX               |    has placed between himself and   |  CIS:75006,702
                   |        his excreta"   Aldiss        |
                          http://www.tapr.org/~n2wx/
                "What doesn't kill me makes me stronger" Lisa

  Wrote and maintain TAPR TNC-2 firmware (and some clones)
  " " " TAPR and Packet Radio WWW Home Pages
  Active on CW (NCS for Fri. Florida section net "QFN") and packet NTS
  ARRL volunteer counsel (Florida _only_)

  Packet Radio and TAPR are on the World-Wide-Web!

     * http://www.tapr.org/tapr/html/pkthome.html
     * http://www.tapr.org/tapr/

   What's here? A page of links (the Home Page), the TAPR Home Page, a
   page of Packet Pioneers and Contacts, a hypertext packet primer and
   FAQ, and more.

   We seek: more packet-specific links to add and any comments and
   suggestions on how to make the series more useful. All ideas welcome,
   please send them to my E-mail address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Jim Graham N5IAL


73 DE N5IAL (/4)         MiSTie #49997     < Running Linux 1.0.9 >
      [e-mail]                 ICBM: 30.23N 86.32W
  ||  [e-mail]          Packet:  --OFFLINE-- (Ft. Walton Beach, FL)
E-mail me for information about KAMterm (host mode for Kantronics TNCs).

   KAMterm is a host mode terminal program for Kantronics TNCs that I
   wrote and released as shareware.

   My professional field is telecom (data communications is my key area
   of expertise).

   I also have experience with wire HF antennas for apartments and other
   small spaces.
     _________________________________________________________________

Roger Gray AB5QS

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: [e-mail]

   [phone]

   P.O. Box 166
   Searcy, AR 72145-0166

     * ARES (Arkansas Section)
     * Antennas
     * Commercial Equipment
     * HF/Contesting/DX
     * Homebrewing
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * 160 Meters
     * Mobile/Portable/Field Day
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Packet Radio
     * Power Supplies
     * RFI
     * Repeaters
     * VHF/UHF
     * Volunteer Examiner (ARRL VEC and Area Team Liaison)

     _________________________________________________________________

Cheyenne T. Greatorex N1QZS

   [e-mail]

   http://www.magrathea.com/~ctg/

   I co-maintain the Boston Amateur Radio Club anonymous FTP file
   archives with Phil Temples, K9HI ([e-mail]).

   A sampling of the archives include:

  A virtually complete archive of all ARRL bulletins since 1992 is available
  at:

   ftp://ftp.barc.org/pub/hamradio/barc/w1aw-list/

  A mirror of all files available from the ARRL info server is also available:

   ftp://ftp.barc.org/pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserv/

  The ARRL infoserver mirror has FCC Part 97 (U.S. Amateur Radio Service Rules
  and Regulations) at:

   ftp://ftp.barc.org/pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserv/rib/part97.txt

  Programs mentioned in QST are in:

   ftp://ftp.barc.org/pub/hamradio/arrl/qst-binaries/

  Amateur Radio Newsline is now also being archived, too:

   ftp://ftp.barc.org/pub/hamradio/docs/newsline/

  Macintosh Amateur Radio Software Archive:

   ftp://ftp.barc.org/pub/hamradio/mac/

  Ham Radio and More, the radio show carried live every Sunday (6pm - 7pm EST)
  on the Talk America Radio Network, now has a World-Wide Web home page:

   http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more/ham-more.html

   Please direct any feedback, submissions, or administrivia regarding
   these resources to my E-mail address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Ken Gunton WB6QWF

   [e-mail]

  Microwave Components World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.erinet.com/kenny/microwave.html

   It changes from time to time, so stop back often! Don't see the
   component you want? Just call, fax your spec, or e-mail and attach
   your drawing or spec for a quick quote at BIG savings.

   My company, Techlock Distributing, sells RF and microwave components
   of many different types. I own the company, and it's a small, one-man
   operation. While I don't sell Ham equipment per se, I have sold some
   dividers, etc. to hams for their use.
     _________________________________________________________________

Allan (Al) Gutstadt KF9RA, NNN0VMA

   [e-mail]

  Navy/Marine Corps. MARS

     _________________________________________________________________

   - H -
     _________________________________________________________________

Dan Halbert KB1RT

   [e-mail]

   QTH: West Newton, MA, near Boston.

     * Building homebrew QRP gear.
     * Information about QRP-NE Club.
     * Advice on simple antennas.

     _________________________________________________________________

Doug Hall KF4KL

   [e-mail]

  JPS Communications, Inc.

   For those interested, JPS Communications, makers of DSP noise filters
   and other radio-related products, has a page on the WWW. The URL is:

   http://emporium.turnpike.net/J/JPS/jps.html

   Also, I'm in the process of collecting links to pages relating to uses
   of DSP in amateur radio. If you know of some, I'd appreciate hearing
   about them. There are a lot of people experimenting with new
   modulation schemes, voice compression, noise reduction, DSP IF
   techniques, and lots of other interesting applications. I'm planning
   to add a page with links to this information, so keep an eye out for
   it, and if you have something to share, please drop me a line.
     _________________________________________________________________

Lance Halle KC7FVX

   [e-mail]

   I will be glad to field questions in the following areas:

   DFing
          Local interference committee chairman

   OO questions
          Phoenix area Official Observer Coordinator

   BSA Merit badge
          Advisor of Ham Radio Explorer Post

   Just let me know what all you need and I'll do what I can.

   News of local enforcement actions and FCC Notices of Apparent
   Liability (NAL) may be found on the WWW page of the Arizona Repeater
   Association (of which I am a member):

   http://www.indirect.com/www/ara/
     _________________________________________________________________

Brian Hammill KD4BFJ


- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Hammill, KD4BFJ | [e-mail]
Software Engineer     | Exide Electronics - Small Systems Group
Raleigh, NC           | "Powering Your Network with Intelligent Solutions"
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------

   I am especially interested in VHF/UHF and microwave amateur bands as
   well as Amateur television. I am treasurer and a founding member of
   the newly-formed Triangle Amateur Television Association in
   Raleigh-Durham- Chapel Hill, NC. I am willing to share my expertise in
   the following areas:

     * ATV - Getting started, starting local activity, repeaters.
     * VHF/UHF - Propagation, what you need to get started, operating
       portable, contesting, weak signals, and DX.
     * Sealed Lead Acid Batteries - How to take care of them.

     _________________________________________________________________

Steve Harding KA6ETB


[e-mail] [phone] alternate: [e-mail]
       For amateur radio related information, send a message to:
                       [e-mail]
      and put "HELP" and/or "GET /HAMRADIO/INDEX.TXT" in the body.

   HAM-server is now on a 486 with nearly 70 MB of data. Besides DOS,
   there are some UNIX, Mac, and OS/2 files.

   Most files have been taken from the various ftp-servers world-wide.
   However, there are many programs that have been donated by HAM-server
   users.

   Submissions welcome. Send to [e-mail].

  Ham-server World-Wide Web Home Page:

   http://www.ati.com/hamserv/
     _________________________________________________________________

Ed Hare KA1CV


Ed Hare, KA1CV                     |  [e-mail]
American Radio Relay League        |
225 Main St.                       |
Newington, CT  06111               |
[phone] - voice
[phone] - FAX

  ARRL Laboratory Engineer


     * Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) matters
     * Equipment Testing

   My survey of automotive EMI problems is mostly complete. The results
   are in September 1994 QST, including warranty and customer service
   information for most automobile manufacturers (many of whom have
   published installation guidelines).

   I am also continuing to pursue more formal contacts and
   standards-making through the EMR and EMI Standards Committee of the
   Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE), of which I am a member.

   Copies of General Motors installation guidelines are available. Saturn
   allegedly has a video on mobile installation, but none of the dealers
   seem to know about it. I have a call into one of my low friends in
   high places. :-)

   If anyone would like a copy of the GM installation guidelines, send a
   9X12" SASE with two units of postage *and* a specific request for the
   "GM Installation Guidelines" to the ARRL Technical Department
   Secretary, 225 Main St, Newington, CT 06111. A copy has been reprinted
   in the ARRL book -- Radio Frequency Interference -- How to Find It and
   Fix It.

   EMI/RFI Resource List and RFI Tips package available. A business SASE
   with 98 cents postage is appreciated. Please specify the desired
   documents in your correspondence.

   The FCC has released the results of a telephone interference survey
   just completed.

   If you would like a copy of the survey, which includes a list of
   telephone models checked, send an SASE with two units of first class
   postage to the Technical Information Service at ARRL HQ.
   Alternatively, you may obtain an electronic copy from the info server
   below.

   If leakage from your local Cable TV operator is interfering with the
   Amateur Radio Service, it is in violation of the provisions of Part 76
   of the FCC regulations.

   I would first direct the problem toward the cable company system
   engineer or service manager. Chances are the "front-line" people who
   answer the phone don't know what you are talking about.

   If this is not effective, contact me here at ARRL HQ. I can put you in
   contact with our liaison to the National Cable Telecasters
   Association. This liaison will help your cable operator understand
   their responsibilities.

   For CATV interference problems in general, I recommend you obtain our
   Radio Frequency Interference Book. If you are a League Member, you can
   also get a copy of the ARRL Technical Information Service info package
   on CATVI -- "EMI/RFI - CATV" by sending a LARGE SASE with 3 stamps on
   it to the ARRL Technical Department Secretary, 225 Main St, Newington
   CT 06111. This package is a reprint of an article I wrote for
   Communications Technology -- the Journal of the Society of Cable
   Television Engineers. We submitted it to "their" journal because we
   felt that it would carry more weight with the cable companies.

   If you have any questions after you have read the material, contact me
   here at HQ. I can usually get back to you within a few days to offer
   some additional help.

   Many amateur radio informational documents (including EMI/RFI files)
   are also available from the ARRL info server. Send E-mail to
   [e-mail] with the word "HELP" in the message body.

   See Cheyenne Greatorex's entry for information about the ARRL
   Anonymous FTP Archive and David Newkirk's entry for information about
   the ARRL World-Wide Web Home Page.
     _________________________________________________________________

Jack G.F. Hill W4PPT


Jack, W4PPT/M (75M SSB 2-letter WAS #1657/#1789 -- both from the mobile! ;^)
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Jack GF Hill         |Voice: [phone]|            Ham Call: W4PPT
 P. O. Box 1685       |Modem: [phone]| Bicycling and SCUBA Diving
 Brentwood, TN  37024 |Fax:   [phone]|         Life Member - ARRL
 [e-mail] - "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose"

  Mobile Antenna Systems and Installation (Primarily HF)


     * power distribution
     * frame grounding
     * antenna selection and construction
     * mounting the rig
     * useful accessories
     * Keeping it Simple (avoiding task overload)

   I have agreed to provide a new home for the "Boat Anchor" mail list,
   with the blessings of Paul Prescott, N1AAC, who took over from Our
   Esteemed Founder Jim Lockwood, KM6NK. I have also agreed to take over
   the rec.radio.amateur.* Working Group mail list, formerly maintained
   by Ian Kluft, KO6YQ. In addition, a new mailing list devoted to
   homebrewing tube transmitters and receivers ("Glowbugs," a sort of
   intersection between Boatanchors and QRP) has been created.

   The mailing list addresses are:

     * [e-mail] (*)
     * [e-mail]
     * [e-mail]

   Use these addresses for messages of general interest to the entire
   group. Please don't use them to subscribe, change address, etc.

   (*) Effective 15 March 1996, the BoatAnchors list went to a
   subscription-only list, with $12 US per year as "dues" to support the
   list.

   With monthly costs for Net access at $350 US/month and telephone line
   charges of $50 US plus, we are not getting rich. The fee was set after
   much consultation and wrangling, and was designed to cover the costs
   of running the list... and hopefully provide a surplus to upgrade the
   services we can provide, like better mail delivery, larger archives,
   etc.

   The new automated list manager address is

   [e-mail]

   Use this for subscribing, unsubscribing, getting archived info,
   getting the FAQ message, changing your address, etc.

   To subscribe, send a message to this address with "subscribe
   boatanchors <your name>" or "subscribe rra-wg <your name>" Similarly,
   to unsubscribe, replace "subscribe" with "unsubscribe"

   The new list owner address is

   [e-mail]

   Use this address only when there is a problem which really truly can't
   be resolved otherwise.
     _________________________________________________________________

Richard Hosking VK6BRO

   [e-mail]

  Perth (Australia) Radio Experimenters Group World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.iinet.net.au/~richardh/

   (Featuring information about homebrewing and electronics design.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Ed Humphries N5RCK


 Ed Humphries                Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta GA
 N5RCK                       Internet [e-mail]

  Past President, Williamson County (TX) ARC

  Former Assistant Emergency Coordinator for Williamson County ARES/RACES

   2-meter FM, VHF Antennas, Mobile Installations Organizing Amateur
   Radio Seminars and Programs Multiband wire antennas, Field Day
   Activities and general WeatherNet & public service enthusiast
     _________________________________________________________________

Stan Huntting KF0IA

   [e-mail]

   4655 Pleasant Ridge Rd.
   Boulder, CO 80301-1731
   USA

   FAX: [phone]

  KaWin World-Wide Web Home Page:

   http://www.mutadv.com/kawin/

   KaWin(c) supports multiple host mode Kantronics(r) TNCs in all HF and
   VHF modes in MS Windows(R). Download the fully functional KaWin
   program from the KaWin WWW home page.
     _________________________________________________________________

   - I -
     _________________________________________________________________

Michael Ihry AC5CT

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone]

   Quinlan, TX
   USA

  Areas of Expertise:


     * ARES/RACES/SKYWARN
     * Antennas
     * Antique and Older Equipment
     * Batteries
     * Commercial Equipment
     * DSP
     * Electronics in General
     * Equipment Testing/Troubleshooting
     * Mobile/Portable/Field Day
     * HF/DX/Contesting
     * Homebrewing
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Power Supplies
     * QRP
     * RFI
     * Repeaters
     * Scouting
     * Towers
     * VHF/UHF
     * Volunteer Examiner
     * Computers and Computer Programming

     _________________________________________________________________

Carl Ingerson N1DXM, NNN0HLC

   [e-mail]

  Navy/Marine Corps. (NAVMARCORPS) MARS

   (Maine Area of Region ONE)

  ampr.org IP Coordinator for Maine subnet (44.118.xxx.xxx)

   I can get just about any answer needed for TCP/IP, if I don't know it
   myself. I have a close friend who will know the answer (he doesn't
   have E-mail access).

   I am more than glad to offer my assistance. Being up here in the
   "sticks," I remember how difficult it was to find assistance back when
   I became interested in Amateur Radio.

   [Editor's Note: All ampr.org coordinators are listed in the document
   at:

   ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/amprnets

   ]
     _________________________________________________________________

   - J -
     _________________________________________________________________

Bart Jahnke KB9NM


===============================================================
=                              |            ARRL HQ           =
=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]     =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]     =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
=                              |                              =
===============================================================

     * Listings of Examination Opportunities -- bi-weekly postings
       ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/rec.radio.amateur.misc/
     * Volunteer Examining procedures - ARRL VE Manual
     * Support and Instruction for Volunteer Examiners - Coordinating
       Exams
     * Member, National Conference of VECs Question Pool Committee
     * Information on what's required to become an Amateur Radio licensee
     * Contributing Editor - QST Magazine - Exam Info column

   See the entry for Michael Ardai for information about receiving ARRL
   VE announcements and examination schedules via E-mail.

   See Cheyenne Greatorex's entry for information about the ARRL
   Anonymous FTP Archive and David Newkirk's entry for information about
   the ARRL World-Wide Web Home Page.
     _________________________________________________________________

Tom Job VE3II

   [e-mail]

  Maritime Mobile Service Net (MMSN)

   (See also Rene Stiegler)
     _________________________________________________________________

Cedrick Johnson N9YXA

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: [e-mail]

   http://pages.prodigy.com/n9yxa/

   Voice/FAX: [phone]

   502 Manor Place
   Aurora, IL 60506
   USA

     * AMSAT
     * BBS's
     * HF/Contesting/DX
     * CW
     * Packet and Digital Networking
     * SSTV
     * VHF

   I am a somewhat new DX'er/Contester. I have had experience with many
   aspects of radio, SSTV, Packet, and HF work.
     _________________________________________________________________

Robert K. Johnson KD6MQE

   [e-mail]

     * Homebrewing
     * IBM PC's

     _________________________________________________________________

   - K -
     _________________________________________________________________

Phil Karn KA9Q

   [e-mail]

   http://www.qualcomm.com/people/pkarn/

  High-Performance Software Modem Project

   Recently I've been working on a prototype SQPSK (staggered quadrature
   phase shift keyed) modem for the amateur satellite channel. This modem
   is implemented totally in software running on a PC with an ordinary
   (non-DSP) Soundblaster card. It runs at 1200 bps and fits into a SSB
   transceiver bandwidth.

   I've made good progress and have put some info up on my web page about
   it, including an audio file to show what it sounds like in noise when
   the signal is still copyable, available from:

   http://www.qualcomm.com/people/pkarn/ham.html

   Watch that page for an announcement of when I actually release the
   code, which I plan to integrate into KA9Q NOS.

  Spread Spectrum

   I've been trying to answer the question of consequences of promoting
   relatively wide-band digital modes on band occupancy and throughput
   (i.e., What gets optimized? Are there tradeoffs in quality vs.
   quantity?) in the context of the spread spectrum rules debate, but I
   think it needs to be a much wider discussion. See my reply comments to
   the FCC on this issue:

   http://www.qualcomm.com/people/pkarn/papers/mysscomments.html

   (See also Steve Bible for more information on Spread Spectrum)

   [Editor's Note: I'm honored by the presence of many advanced-level
   Elmers in this directory, including Jeffrey Angus, Gary Coffman, and
   now Phil Karn. Phil has graciously agreed to appear in this directory
   for the purpose of elmering and technical exchange for the advanced
   topics listed above. As with all of my Elmers, please respect their
   time by only seeking assistance from them for the topics under which
   they are listed. There are many Elmers willing to answer more
   beginning-level packet radio questions, including basic questions
   about IBM PC hardware, TCP/IP and NOS. Consult the "IBM PERSONAL
   COMPUTER (PC) AND CLONES" and "PACKET AND DIGITAL NETWORKING"
   categories in the Subject Quick-Search Index for a complete list.]
     _________________________________________________________________

Paul Keezer NX1P

   [e-mail]

   Finally a WWW page has been set up for HamView products, a Windows
   based Ham Radio program. This page can now be located at:

   http://www.tiac.net/users/pkeezer/hamview/

   There is an upgrade file right now for Win95, but the bug has only
   been corrected in Logview 5.0. Come and check us out.
     _________________________________________________________________

Michael S. Keller AB5EL

   [e-mail]

   Areas of particular knowledge:

     * PC-style computers
     * Mobile installations (rearranging mobile HF right now)
     * Repeaters (after a fashion--building a 1.25m repeater)

     _________________________________________________________________

R. D. Keys NA4G

   Dept. of Crop Science
   NCSU
   Raleigh, NC 27695-7620

   [e-mail]

   de NA4G, "Boat Anchor Bob", an ol' cw fart .....

   If I can be of assistance in older equipment, junk-boxing your way to
   hamdom, the cheapskate's approach, let me know.

   22 yrs a ham, extra class, mostly cw, mostly boat anchors and radio in
   the traditional sense.

   {Telegraphy has been in my family for almost 100 years!}

  CWISTS Friday Night Fist Function

   Standard time: Friday Nights at MIDNIGHT LOCAL TIME

   Standard freq:
          80 meters --- 3702.5 kHz for all hands.
          40 meters --- 7102.5 kHz alternate, for all hands
          (between the heterodynes, someone scout out a better QRG)

   Standard calling signal:
          CWIST IMI DE <yourcall> K (if there are no control stations
          calling for you to check in), or, CWIST DE <yourcall> K (if
          there is a control station inviting checkins) (The alternative
          check in for those OTs with salt behind the ears is a simple DE
          to get the control station's ears followed by DE <yourcall> K
          when the control station acknowledges.)

   Note:
          A simple informal net style protocol will generally be used,
          unless no control station assumes control for the evening, in
          which case it is an open roundtable format discussion group.

   Note:
          The midnight local time gathering is designed to maximize the
          number of checkins spread out over the world, so less confusion
          and more checkins are heard. The hope is that someone will be
          aboard almost anywhere and be heard at least locally, anywhere
          in the world.

   Definition:
          A CWIST is a person with an active interest in the PRACTICE and
          USE of continuous wave radiotelegraphy as directly is
          applicable to amateur radio. Such PRACTICE and USE may take the
          form of learning about radiotelegraphy and its history in
          amateur/commercial areas, its application to radio
          telecommunication, the practicing of the art and craft of
          radiotelegraphy, and the refining and developing of the
          technology of radiotelegraphy.

  Author of NA4G's National Electrical Code for Hams


                                 ABSTRACT

        This work was presented as a talk to  the  Homebrew  Special
        Interest Group (HB-SIG) of the Raleigh Amateur Radio Society
        (RARS), on 15 January, 1991  and  was  revised  for  another
        presentation on 26 January, 1994.

        This  document  contains excerpts of the National Electrical
        Code (NFPA 70-1990) that, in the author's opinion, apply  to
        the   installation  of  amateur  radio  equipment  as  would
        commonly be found in most amateur  radio  stations.   Direct
        excerpts   from   the   Code   are  contained  within  inset
        quotations.   Paraphrased  excerpts  from   the   Code   are
        itemized.  The author's interpretation and discussion of the
        Code is set full-width.   The  author's  interpretation  and
        discussion  of  various sections of the Code is not meant to
        be all-encompassing, nor the official interpretation of  the
        National  Fire  Protection  Association, nor of any official
        governing body having legal authority of  jurisdiction  over
        electrical  installations,  but  is  meant  to  be used as a
        teaching tool for amateur radio operators.

   For ease of access, the group of files have been 'rolled into one'
   both in tar-compress (862K, for Unix jocks) and PKZIP 2.04g (732K, for
   MS-DOS users) formats. Both are available from:

   ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/agronomy/ham/things-to-
   build/na4g/
     _________________________________________________________________

Robert A. Kile KG7D

   [e-mail]

   A Current list of Dealers and Manufacturers of Amateur Radio Equipment
   in North America is now available on HR Showcase Amateur Radio WWW.
   The URL is:

   http://www.accessnv.com/hrshow/

   The listing will be updated as more come on line. Enjoy!
     _________________________________________________________________

Brad Killebrew N5LJV

   E-mail: [e-mail]
   E-mail: [e-mail]
   AX.25: N5LJV@F6CNB.#SETX.TX.USA.NOAM

   My interests and areas of expertise are

     * TNOS Packet Gateway (hougw.ampr.org)
     * Unix and Linux systems
     * Volunteer Examiner (W5YI #6913 and ARRL/VEC)
     * VHF and UHF repeaters

   I'm the trustee of the University of Houston Amateur Radio Club
   WB5FND. URL is http://wb5fnd.tech.uh.edu/

   I maintain the Internet Relay Chat #HamRadio Home Page. URL is
   http://wb5fnd.tech.uh.edu/irc/

   I co-authored the Mod and Features info for the Kenwood TM-733A radio.
   The master copy is at

   ftp://wb5fnd.tech.uh.edu/pub/hamradio/mods/kenwood/
     _________________________________________________________________

Christopher Knauer KB9CCR

   [e-mail]

   5004 W. 92nd Avenue #123
   Westminster, CO 80030

   [phone]

  Webmaster, National SKYWARN World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.skywarn.org/

   (Working with the ARRL and the National Weather Service to provide
   authoritative information about weather spotting both to SKYWARN
   members and the general public.)

   Also have experience in:

     * ARES
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Commercial Broadcasting (Assistant Engineer and Manager of
       Information Services)

     _________________________________________________________________

Louis J. Kohnen K2ANC

   [e-mail]

   Penfield, NY near Rochester

   I'll be glad to help out with tube circuits and VE testing.
   (W5YI VE# 3182)
     _________________________________________________________________

Veikko (Veke) Komppa OH2MCN


- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 Veikko Komppa "Veke"
 Collecting licensing information via Internet
 MORE THAN DXCC AVAILABLE THRU The Web
 Licensing info in Web at http://www.clinet.fi/~jukka/license.html
 OH2MCN, ex OH5VD,OH2XD,CR9D,VK9YD,S79VD,FR0VD,3D2VD,9M8VD,5W1VD
 Internet:  [e-mail]
 QTH: Paaskynkuja 7, FIN-03100, Nummela, Finland    tel. [phone]
 JOB: P.O.Box 1401, FIN-02044 VTT, Finland          tel. [phone]
                                                    fax. [phone]
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Information for licensing abroad for radio amateurs

   (See Web URL above.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Ronald G. Kruml KB7JCP

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   AX.25: KB7JCP@N7DUO.#WWA.WA.USA.NOAM

  Northeast King County (Washington State, USA) ARES Emergency Coordinator

  Editor, EComm News

   EComm News is a weekly newsletter aimed at Amateur Radio Operators and
   Emergency Management Officials in the U.S. Pacific Northwest. The
   newsletter contains local announcements, public service opportunities,
   Amateur Radio news and information, Internet resources for Amateur
   Radio and Emergency Management, as well as many training topics.

   The newsletter is published as a public service by King County Amateur
   Radio Emergency Service, Fire Zone 2.

   To subscribe to the list, send e-mail to: [e-mail]

   Enter the command line, SUBSCRIBE ECOMM-NEWS, in the body of the
   message.

   For more information on the list, point your web-browser to:

   http://ifrit.web.aol.com/mld/production/yiaz0823.html
     _________________________________________________________________

Tack Kumagai JE1CKA, KH0AM

   [e-mail]

   P.O. Box 22
   Mitaka, Tokyo 181
   Japan

   Voice: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   My primary interest is contesting (especially DX). I've been a
   committee member of the CQ WW (World Wide) DX contest and a committee
   chairman of JIDX (Japan International DX) contest. If you have any
   questions or opinions on the above contests, your input will be
   accepted by E-mail at any time.

   I've been running an information server and mailing list server for
   the following topics:

  Japanese International DX (JIDX) Info-Server

   Any JIDX contest results/rules will be available by
   [e-mail] by sending


        help

   in the body of the E-mail message.

  Japanese CQ Contest Mailing list

   Archived "cq-contst" reflector re-distribution. send a request to
   [e-mail] with the message


        subscribe cq-contest-digest your_callsign <your_email_address>

  Tokyo VEC Team Coordinator

   I've been leading the Tokyo VEC team since 1991 under the W5YI-VEC
   system. Exams will be held on the first Sunday afternoon in EVEN
   months. All examinees are requested to register in advance one week
   prior to the exam date. The VE Exam is open to any person who actually
   plans to operate from the US, but is not intended for license
   collectors.
     _________________________________________________________________


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     _________________________________________________________________

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     _________________________________________________________________

John Langner WB2OSZ

   115 Stedman St. #E
   Chelmsford, MA 01824-1823
   [phone] (home - civilized times only please)
   [e-mail]

  Slow-Scan Television (SSTV)

  SSTV World-Wide Web Home Page:

   http://www.ultranet.com/~sstv/
     _________________________________________________________________

Manuel Lim Lao DU3LIM

   [e-mail]

   [phone]

   1939 Rizal Ave. WBB.
   Olongapo City 2200 Philippines

     * ARES
     * Reciprocal Licensing/Operating in the Philippines

     _________________________________________________________________

Alan Larson WA6AZP

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   My areas are fairly general, and I teach classes (Novice and Tech,
   with and without code, and upgrade sessions) at W6YX. My main audience
   is to the Stanford (University) community.

   I am also involved with some less common modes, such as fast scan
   television and weak signal VHF and UHF.
     _________________________________________________________________

Zack Lau KH6CP/1


Zack Lau  KH6CP/1      Expertise: Design of SSB/CW amateur transceivers
c/o ARRL Lab                    : up to 222 MHz.  Design of transverters
Newington CT  06111             : up to 10.5 GHz.  Basic lossy filter
[phone]                 : design.  Developing repeatable projects
[e-mail]                   : using cheap, easy to get parts.

   I'm now starting to look into 24 GHz SSB/CW gear using 10 GHz as a
   convenient IF.

   Especially looking to help anyone wanting to be a QST/QEX author--I
   can't write it all myself!
     _________________________________________________________________

Howard Leadmon WB3FFV


- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
Internet  : [e-mail]             |          Howard D. Leadmon
UUCP      : wb3ffv!howardl              |       ABSnet Internet Services
PHONE     : [phone]             |       200 E. Lexington Street
FAX       : [phone]             |             Suite-1602
PACKET    : WB3FFV @ WB3FFV.MD.USA.NA   |        Baltimore, MD  21202
WWW       : http://www.abs.net/         |

  Amateur Radio Anonymous FTP Archive:

   ftp://ftp.abs.net/

   I attempt to keep the latest and greatest HAM software on-line, and
   encourage all to upload anything new that they come up with, as it is
   of benefit to all. Here is a sample of the software that is available
   for downloading:

     * KA9Q TCP/IP Software for the PC (Latest OFFICIAL release + TEST
       Versions)
     * KA9Q TCP/IP for the Atari-ST, MAC, & Amiga
     * KA9Q TCP/IP for UNIX based systems
     * KA9Q TCP/IP (The NOS release) [UNIX, MS/DOS, Amiga]
     * KA9Q TCP/IP (Version by G1EMM, PE1CHL, PA0GRI, Etc.)
     * N2GTE Packet Message Switch [GTEPMS]
     * WA7MBL BBS for the PC
     * W0RLI BBS for the PC
     * MSYS BBS for the PC running KISS TNC's
     * AA4RE BBS for the PC (plus BETA versions)
     * F6FBB BBS for the PC
     * G8BPQ PC-Node (Version 4.08)
     * Various BBS utilities and enhancements
     * Several MORSE CODE Tutors
     * TheNet software by NORD><LINK
     * Modifications for many HAM Rigs and Scanners
     * Digital Signal Processing software (DSP)
     * DX and contesting programs

  ampr.org IP Coordinator for Maryland Subnet (44.060.xxx.xxx)

   [Editor's Note: All ampr.org coordinators are listed in the document
   at:

   ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/amprnets

   ]

  Owner of the md-hams Mailing List

   The md-hams list has been placed on-line to allow people involved or
   interested in various facets of Amateur Radio to have a place to talk
   about local activities in Maryland and the District of Columbia.

   To subscribe, send E-mail to [e-mail] with:

        subscribe md-hams <your E-mail address>

   in the body of the message. An acknowledgement message will follow
   shortly.

   If you have any questions or problems, feel free to contact me at one
   of the numbers/addresses above. Good Luck...
     _________________________________________________________________

Dr. Marc I. Leavey WA3AJR

   [e-mail]

   http://www2.ari.net/ajr/

  73 Magazine RTTY Loop Columnist

  RTTY Loop World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www2.ari.net/ajr/rtty/

   (Featuring the RTTY Loop column archive, software library, and general
   RTTY information.)

   Be glad to help out those interested in digital communication.
     _________________________________________________________________

Jinson Lee HL5QO

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   305 Yongong, Apt. 773
   Chinju Korea 660-300

     * AMSAT
     * DSP
     * EME
     * Microwave
     * OSCAR
     * Packet and Digital Networking
     * TAPR

     _________________________________________________________________

Alexis Leynes K9KYJ

   [e-mail]

  Personal and Youthnet News Home Page:

   http://icarus.cc.uic.edu/~aleyne1/

   600 S. Halsted, Suite 3020
   Chicago, IL 60607
   H: [phone]
   Voice-Mail: [phone]

   FCC Technician License Since Feb. 1991
   Certified Phlebotomist with the
   University of Illinois at Chicago Hospitals and Clinics
   Red Lab 1

  Emergency Communications
  TCP/IP Networking

  Editor-in-Chief, Youthnet News

   Youthnet NEWS is an amateur radio informational service for the young
   radio amateur operator. All Rights Are Reserved 1996.

   It is periodically posted to

   news:rec.radio.amateur.misc
   news:rec.radio.info
     _________________________________________________________________

Fred Lloyd AA7BQ


- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fred Lloyd, AA7BQ                                             [e-mail]
Scottsdale, Arizona | finger [e-mail] for PGP Key | http://www.qrz.com
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Author of the QRZ! Ham Radio CDROM

   I am interested in receiving amateur-radio-related public-domain
   and/or shareware programs, data bfiles, frequency lists, etc., that
   would make a useful edition to the QRZ! CDROM. Can help arrange volume
   discounts for clubs and groups, and will donate copies of QRZ! to
   qualifying non-profit organizations. Send E-mail or call +1 602
   483-2036.

   We now have the QRZ! FTP archive and QRZ! WWW server online, 24 hours
   a day. Our connection is via a T1 line so you should get pretty decent
   file transfer times.

   We've got about 7,000 files online, including radio mods, software,
   most everything imaginable. We are also accepting uploads of all ham
   radio related material.

   Feel free to stop by and have a look:

     * ftp://ftp.qrz.com/
     * http://www.qrz.com/ (WWW interface to the FTP archive as well as a
       Callsign database server)

   Authors of ham radio shareware programs, data files, mods, etc., are
   invited to contribute their materials to the QRZ! anonymous ftp server
   above.

   I would also like to thank those who have volunteered in helping port
   the QRZ! source code to a wide variety of platforms. In the next
   edition, we'll have support for DOS, Windows, OS/2, Windows NT, Sun,
   NeXT, SGI, Linux, AIX, and HP/UX executables, directly on the disk.

   Notably not mentioned is Macintosh, which so far has been a bit
   troublesome to put together. If anyone who can program in 'C' on a
   Macintosh would care to volunteer, please let me know. Although there
   is an experimental Mac interface at this time, I'd like to make it an
   officially-supported platform.

   The QRZ! Callsign/E-mail Registry now contains over 4100
   callsign-to-E-mail-address listings and is growing daily.

   We have a WWW page where you can input your E-mail address directly
   into the QRZ! Callsign Database, where it will be published on both
   CDROM and on the Internet. When you use this page, your E-mail address
   is made instantly available to the online database.

   Everyone is encouraged to check in and add their E-mail address to the
   server. There are no charges or listing fees, and it's free to all
   radio amateurs. The procedure takes only a second, and you are only
   asked to supply your callsign and E-mail address.

   Register your E-mail address today!

   We're pleased to announce that the online FCC database at qrz.com is
   now updated nightly from the FCC with fresh information.

   According to FCC rules, if you've just passed your first test, you can
   begin operating as soon as your callsign shows up in the online
   database.

   Please pass on any ideas, suggestions, comments, etc., to my E-mail
   address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Luther M. Lord N4DA

   [e-mail]

   If you need a good place to get your amateur radio repaired, I can
   help. Visit the Radio Doctor's home page at:

   http://www.mindspring.com/~n4da/top.html

   I will answer all technical questions received via E-Mail at my
   address above. This service is offered presently at no charge.
     _________________________________________________________________

Jeff Luszcz N2TIQ

   [e-mail]

  College and University Club List World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.best.com/~jluszcz/clublist.html
     _________________________________________________________________

Sandy Lynch WA6BXH, 7J1ABV

   [e-mail]

  Information about foreigners operating in Japan

     _________________________________________________________________

   - M -
     _________________________________________________________________

Dean R. Madsen KE0WO


Dean R Madsen, KE0WO                        Computer Science Major
Internet: [e-mail]               Iowa State University
            [e-mail]                  Ames, Iowa
AX25: KE0WO @ KE0WO.#NWIA.IA.USA.NA
           Secretary for the Tristate Amateur Packet Association
           Treasurer for the Cyclone Amateur Radio Club

   A few members of our ham radio club were interested in helping out.
   Since our turnover is usually 4 years or so (graduation is a horrible
   thing), I thought it may be difficult for us to keep the list up to
   date. I thought that by creating a local mailing list called
   [e-mail] we could add or remove people as need be. There
   would always be at least one person receiving mail on that list,
   usually more! Even after I graduate, this list will be maintained
   allowing ISU hams to easily help others.

   Currently we have people with packet experience, some HF experience,
   much repeater experience, in addition to a considerable background in
   theory, as many here are electrical engineering or computer
   engineering students. If a question can not be answered by the readers
   of the list, there are many other local hams that could be prodded for
   the info.

   Our local ham radio club has been especially interested in helping
   local disabled hams (or hams to be) get on the air. But anyone local
   who needed help would find a group at their door ready to work.
     _________________________________________________________________

Fred O. Maia W5YI

   [e-mail]

   The W5YI Group, Inc.
   P.O. Box 565101
   Dallas, Texas 75356
   Tel. [phone]

   This firm consists of two separate divisions:

  EDUCATION DIVISION:

   Develops and distributes amateur radio self-training materials,
   including the Gordon West/WB6NOA line of audio, video, computer
   software and printed study materials. Credit card orders and
   information from (toll free): +1 800 669-W5YI (9594). All materials
   are guaranteed current and shipped within 24 hours with 2-day priority
   delivery. They offer a special discount for instructors conducting
   training classes.

   W5YI Amateur Radio written license exam and Morse code training
   products are also available from every Radio Shack nationwide. Color
   photograghs of the major training products are available at their
   Express Order or Radio Shack Unlimited desk.

  THE W5YI-VEC:

   Coordinates the activities of more than one thousand volunteer
   examining teams world-wide. The locations of test sites near you can
   be determined by calling [phone] anytime, including evenings
   and weekends. Any General, Advanced or Extra Class amateur may form
   their own VE team by calling [phone] during normal business
   hours.

   All examination results are electronically filed with the FCC. Amateur
   radio licenses and call signs are normally issued within 48 hours of
   VEC receipt of the examination paperwork. New amateurs may determine
   their call signs by calling the FCC's toll free consumer assistance
   line: [phone].
     _________________________________________________________________

Will Marchant KC6ROL

   [e-mail]

   I'm one of the SAREX school group technical mentors. A group of about
   nine of us are assigned by AMSAT/NASA/ARRL to make sure that the
   schools selected for dedicated contacts on a SAREX flight are
   prepared. I'd be happy to try handling E-mail from people interested
   in SAREX.
     _________________________________________________________________

Barry Martz KI8W

   [e-mail]

  Bay Area (California) DX'ers World-Wide Web Home Page:

   http://www.netonecom.net/~ki8w/bad1.html
     _________________________________________________________________

Neal McEwen K5RW

   [e-mail]

   Richardson (Dallas), Texas

  Telegraph Key Collectors and Historians World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.metronet.com/~nmcewen/ref.html
     _________________________________________________________________

Daniel J. Meredith N7MRP


                      Arizona Network Intertie Group
                  "Serving Az's Digital Needs Since 1993"

Daniel J. Meredith - N7MRP                    Voice: [phone]
P.O. Box 45378                                Fax  : [phone]
Phoenix,  Arizona                             BBS  : [phone]
          85064-5378

  ListOwner: [e-mail] & [e-mail]
  Arizona Amateur Radio VHF/UHF Digital Coordinator

   Ax.25: [e-mail] Internet: [e-mail]

The F6FBB Support BBS Is Available Via E-Mail & LL Dial-Up [phone].
E-Mail --->  [e-mail]
             HELP               <-----SUBJECT

The F6FBB Support BBS Is Also Home To The F6FBB ListServ.
Internet ---> Send E-Mail To [e-mail] for Subscription Information.

There is Also an Ax.25 F6FBB ListServ.
E-Mail ---> SP [e-mail]
            SUBSCRIBE                <----SUBJECT
            SUBSCRIBE FBB            <----1ST LINE OF MESSAGE TEXT.

     _________________________________________________________________

Don L. Miller N6ZUF

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: N6ZUF@N6AHI.#SOCA.USA.NOAM

   http://www.fishnet.net/~dlmiller/

  Ventura County (California, USA) ARES Area 6 Packet Radio Training Group
  Manual:

   http://www.fishnet.net/~dlmiller/packet.html
     _________________________________________________________________

Lee Mills KE4TNK

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   211 Aerospace Engineering
   Auburn University, AL 36830
   USA

     * Apple Macintosh Computers
     * College Clubs
     * HF
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Packet And Digital Networking
     * Repeaters
     * SKYWARN
     * VHF/UHF

  Auburn University Amateur Radio Club (K4RY) World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.auburn.edu/k4ry.html

     _________________________________________________________________

April Moell WA6OPS

   [e-mail]

  Hospital Disaster Support Communications System (HDSCS) Coordinator

  HDSCS World-Wide Web Page:

   http://members.aol.com/emcom4hosp/

   For over 15 years, the 90-plus members of the ARES/RACES-affiliated
   Hospital Disaster Support Communications System (HDSCS) of Orange
   County, California have served over 35 hospitals in nearly 50
   emergency situations. At the new HDSCS site on the Web, you can find
   out how volunteer Amateur Radio operators can be an important backup
   communications resource for hospitals, if the hams are well organized
   and trained.

   There you will find:

     * How HDSCS organizes to support hospitals
     * What "dedicated communicators" are and why they are important
     * Frequently Asked Questions about hams helping hospitals
     * The surprising answer to "How often do hospitals need hams,
       anyway?"
     * Response from hospitals served by HDSCS
     * Info given to new HDSCS members
     * Recruiting hams for hospital communications
     * And lots more...

     _________________________________________________________________

Joe Moell K0OV

   [e-mail]

  Homing In Column World-Wide Web Page:

   http://members.aol.com/homingin/

   (Homing In is a column in 73 Magazine featuring information about
   radio direction finding, hidden transmitter hunting, and jammer
   tracking.)

   This site features:

     * Southern California T-hunting, what equipment the winners use
     * International-style foxhunts have come to California
     * Complete design fixes for the Dick Smith doppler set
     * Updates to the Moell/Curlee book (TRANSMITTER HUNTING---Radio
       Direction Finding Simplified), including board/kit/parts sources
       and building tips
     * Frequently Asked Questions and answers from the Homing In mailbox
     * Index and subject list of all Homing In columns in 73 Magazine
       through September 1996 (over 90 articles)
     * And lots more...

   The Homing In site is written and maintained by Joe Moell K0OV. It is
   not affiliated with 73 Magazine, Wayne Green Enterprises, or any other
   commercial entity.
     _________________________________________________________________

Joe Moor N2TQL

   [e-mail]

   [phone]

   18 Andrea Drive
   Vernon, NJ 07462-9703

     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services

     _________________________________________________________________

John Moore NJ7E


John Moore 7525 Clearwater Pkwy, Scottsdale, AZ 85253  USA
[e-mail]   Amateur call:NJ7E  Civil Air Patrol:Thunderbird 381
Voice: day or eve:[phone] FAX:[phone] (by prior arrangement)

  Civil Air Patrol

  Co-Host - Ham Radio and More

   Ham Radio and More is available for free to any AM station that is
   willing to run it with national ads intact. If you want there to be a
   nationwide amateur radio talk show, call your local station and ask
   them to get the program. They don't have to be part of the Talk
   America network. They can call KFNN in Phoenix ([phone]) or
   Talk America at [phone].

   Effective 4/7/96: WWCR shortwave will air the show LIVE each Sunday at
   6:00pm ET, (2200 UTC) on 7.435 MHz AND 12.160 MHz. Also, tape delayed
   at 5:00am ET (0900 UTC) Mondays on 3.315 MHz and Saturdays at noon ET
   (1600 UTC) on 12.160 MHz.

   Call in and be part of the show. The toll free number is +1 800
   293-5366 and outside the country at [phone]. Fax at +1 602
   241-1540.

   See the entry for Cheyenne Greatorex for the Ham Radio and More
   World-Wide Web Page.
     _________________________________________________________________

Winston Morgan KC5LIK

   [e-mail]

   [phone]

   1004 South 26th St.
   Temple, TX 76504

     * ARES/RACES/Skywarn
     * Internet Services (including Mailing Lists)

     _________________________________________________________________

Larry S. Morris KG7RQ

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone] ext 6998
   FAX: [phone]

   6123 W. Hauser Lake Road
   Post Falls, ID 83854-8515
   USA

     * ARES
     * Amiga Personal Computer
     * Antennas
     * Antique And Older Equipment
     * Apple Macintosh Computer
     * Batteries
     * CW
     * Equipment Testing/Troubleshooting
     * Field Day
     * HF
     * Homebrewing/Do-It-Yourself
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * OSCAR
     * Portable
     * Power Supplies
     * VHF

     _________________________________________________________________

Rich Moseson NW2L

   [e-mail]

  CQ Magazine Online Coordinator

   Please direct any general/editorial feedback to the magazine to the
   E-mail address above.

   (see also Steve Affens)
     _________________________________________________________________

John Mouw KD4GIK

   [e-mail]

   AX.25: KD4GIK@AA4RU.#LEO.FL.USA

  Antennas

     _________________________________________________________________

Kevin Muenzler WB5RUE

   [e-mail]

   126 Hickory Circle
   Floresville, TX 78114

     * Antennas
     * Batteries
     * Morse Code
     * DX
     * HF
     * Homebrewing
     * IBM PC's
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Power Supplies
     * QRP
     * RFI
     * Scouting

     _________________________________________________________________

Terry Muncey WB5OAS

   [e-mail]

  Terry Muncey dba Radio Era Archives:

   http://www.flash.net/~tsm/

   Schematic information, service information and original replicas of
   operation manuals for most ham equipment are available. We have over
   100,000 schematics already converted digitally for mailing or faxing
   as well as thousands of original operation manuals.
     _________________________________________________________________

Bob Myers KC0EW

   Hewlett-Packard Co.
   Ft. Collins, CO

   [e-mail]

   Antennas, Novice/Tech instruction, batteries, power supplies, RFI,
   equip. testing/troubleshooting, FAQs, homebrewing. Basic theory
   questions also welcome.

   My particular interest is in antennas and transmission lines, but I'm
   also more than willing to answer whatever I can in general radio
   theory, propagation, analog and digital electronics, etc.. (I'm a
   display engineer in "real life", have done my share of digital design,
   and have taught communication electronics at the local community
   college. I'm also active in some display and television standards
   activities.)
     _________________________________________________________________

   - N -
     _________________________________________________________________

Scott Neader KA9FOX

   [e-mail]

  Contesters and DX'ers World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.qth.com/ka9fox/

   (Featuring recent contest scores, summaries of discussion on most of
   the contesting and DX-related mailing lists, and more.)
     _________________________________________________________________

George Neeson VE3BDM, VA3DLR

   [e-mail]

   AX.25: VE3BDM@VE3CDY.#EON.ON.CAN

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   6 Glen Wood Place, Suite 105
   Brockville, Ontario K6V 2T3
   Canada

     * ARES
     * AMTOR/PACTOR/CLOVER
     * Antennas
     * Morse Code
     * HF
     * Homebrewing
     * NTS
     * Packet and Digital Networking

   I am an NTS operator running an unattended digital (Express, Winlink
   equivalent) digital system. I operate a hub station for Eastern Canada
   Digital operations, including AMTOR, PACTOR, and CLOVER.
     _________________________________________________________________

Fred Neff WC0A

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]

   1009 N. Lincoln
   Mt. Pleasant, IA 52641
   USA

     * ARES/RACES/SKYWARN
     * Contesting/DX
     * CW
     * IBM PC's
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Volunteer Examiner

     _________________________________________________________________

Lyndon Nerenberg VE7TCP, VE6BBM

   [e-mail]

   I'm heavily involved in Internet Protocol (IP) networking over packet,
   as well as system administration of UNIX and UNIX-like operating
   systems (with an emphasis on networking, E-mail, etc.). My current
   concentration is on writing UNIX based tools (e.g. software for
   logging, antenna design, propagation analysis) that can be shared
   throughout the ham community.

   I also maintain the ve7tcp.ampr.org server. This system hosts a
   variety of ham-radio related mailing lists as well as a comprehensive
   World-Wide Web site and FTP archive, and was one of the first Internet
   servers dedicated to ham radio. The system is also a hub site for the
   ampr.* newsgroups.

   Information on the mailing lists offered can be had by sending an
   e-mail message to:

   [e-mail]

   containing (only) the word:

        INFO

   in the message body. The WWW server is located at the URL:

   http://ve7tcp.ampr.org/

   and the FTP server resides at:

   ftp://ve7tcp.ampr.org/

   Direct login access to the system is available to anyone holding a
   currently valid amateur radio license. The server provides a number of
   useful tools for the radio amateur, including satellite tracking
   software, CAD design software, SPICE, and other tools not generally
   available to people running on Microsoft Windows or Apple based PC's.
   (It runs 4.4BSD UNIX.) To obtain a login on the server, send a
   photocopy of your current amateur license, along with a SAE and IRC
   to:

   Lyndon Nerenberg
   1804 Juniper Street
   Prince George, British Columbia
   Canada V2L 1N7

   Your login and password information will be mailed to the address
   listed on your license.

  Maintainer of the Internet DX Mailing List

   To subscribe, send an E-mail request to:

   [e-mail]

   with the following line in the message body:

        subscribe dx

     _________________________________________________________________

David Newkirk WJ1Z

   [e-mail]

  American Radio Relay League (ARRL) Webmaster

   The American Radio Relay League is pleased to announce the startup of
   ARRLWeb, your League's new HQ-based World-Wide Web site, at the URL

   http://www.arrl.org/

   ARRLWeb will serve as an essential Internet resource for active hams,
   carrying ARRL news, details on upcoming hamfests, conventions and
   Amateur Radio examinations, the ARRL Publications catalog, information
   of ARRL membership benefits and services, and more.

   In inaugurating this new service, the League thanks Scott Ehrlich,
   WY1Z, and the other Boston Amateur Radio Club volunteers who've worked
   since December 1994 to keep ARRL up and coming on the Web via the ARRL
   home page they installed and maintained at oak.oakland.edu. Their
   volunteerism helped show us that upgrading our Internet connection to
   a level that allowed on-campus Web service would be essential to
   ARRL's mission of serving Amateur Radio.

   Your comments, criticism and suggestions on how to make ARRLWeb bigger
   and better are *essential* to its ongoing success, so please drop by
   and say hello!
     _________________________________________________________________

Bob Nielsen W6SWE


Bob Nielsen, W6SWE              Internet: [e-mail]
Tucson, AZ                      AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
[44.124.12.16]                  AX.25:    [e-mail]

  Tuscon Amateur Packet Radio (TAPR)

   I am no longer a TAPR officer, but try to help out with the TAPR file
   server and am the "official" contact person on the Internet and
   CompuServe (71540,2364).

   To access the TAPR file server, send E-mail to:

   [e-mail]

   To get the help file and a list of available files, send the following
   commands in the body of the message:


        help
        dir
        quit

   All mail sent to that address is not read by a human. Conversely, mail
   sent to [e-mail] is read by a human who will be glad to take your
   orders or process membership applications, but cannot send you file
   server files.
     _________________________________________________________________

   - O -
     _________________________________________________________________

Frank (Paco) Orcutt

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   Voice/FAX/Modem: [phone]
   Work: [phone]

   c/o RadioPhile Research
   1036 Union Road, #320
   West Seneca, NY 14224

     * Antennas
     * Antique and Older Equipment
     * Direction Finding
     * DX
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * RFI

  Avid SW/MW DX'er for the last 30+ years

   My main area of expertise is low-power (under 1 kW) Latin American
   Broadcasters, but I keep up-to-date on the current trends and events
   affecting broadcasters world-wide (i.e., I was recently asked about a
   station engineer who was working at ELBC in Monrovia, Liberia and was
   able to pass on information that the engineer was currently working in
   Gabon.) My other keen interest is Clandestine Broadcasters (not
   pirates).

   Though intentional signal jamming isn't as much of a problem as it was
   during the "cold war," I co-authored a report titled "THE WOODPECKER
   PROJECT" which was presented at an ITU convention. I still use those
   skills now and then to DF CB'ers running illegal power, and your odd
   "bad-ham."
     _________________________________________________________________

Dr. Barry L. Ornitz WA4VZQ

   Eastman Chemical Company Research Laboratories
   Process Instrumentation Research Laboratory
   P. O. Box 1972, Building 167B
   Kingsport, TN 37662 [phone]
   INTERNET: [e-mail]

  Part 15 Low-Power Broadcasting

  Instrumentation

   (my profession)

  Chemistry advice related to Amateur Radio

   (corrosion, plating, PCB etching, disposal of wastes such as
   transformer oil, solvents and etching solutions, contact cleaners,
   toxic chemical exposure, chemical safety, paint, dielectric plastics,
   etc.)
     _________________________________________________________________

   - P -
     _________________________________________________________________

William D. (Dave) Paperman WQ5Y

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   P.O. Box 7306
   Cut 'n Shoot, TX 77303-0306
   (H) [phone] (6pm to 9:30pm Central Time)
   (W) [phone] (6:30am to 3:30pm Central Time)
   (FAX/Modem) [phone]

   I have a collection of service information and literature dating back
   to the 1920's. I will be happy to assist those needing copies of
   out-of-copyright information for specific makes and models of
   receivers, transmitters, test equipment, etc..

   The collection spans commercial, amateur, and military surplus gear of
   all types. Unfortunately I have not yet taken the time to catalog all
   this information (soon), but it is logically filed by make, model,
   etc.

   If you need service information for a specific piece of equipment,
   (and I have the information in my collection) I will research and copy
   it for you. Cost will vary depending on the time required to find the
   information and the amount of pages to be copied. I estimate 10 pages
   or less at $1.00 US/page including US postage. I will quote on larger
   manuals. Note that I am not in the business of selling the manuals
   themselves.

   This is NOT my career or a business. Any requests must be prepaid or I
   will ship COD at additional postage costs.

   Other areas of expertise:

     * ARES/RACES
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * RFI
     * Volunteer Examiner Programs

     _________________________________________________________________

Antenen Pascal HB9IIB

   [e-mail]

  Author, Swisslog Ham Radio Log Program

   http://www.worldcom.ch/business/swisslog/swisslog.htm
     _________________________________________________________________

Ian Pawson G8IQU

   [e-mail]

  British Amateur Television Club (BATC) World-Wide Web Page:

   http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/ipawson/

   (Features information about the BATC and Amateur Television (ATV) in
   Britain in general.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Bruce Perens AB6YM

   [e-mail]

  Maintainer of Linux for Hams CDROM

   What Is Linux for Hams?

   Linux for Hams is a full-featured Linux system with special additions
   for Amateur Radio. The system includes all of the sophisticated
   software that one would expect on one of today's engineering
   workstations, along with software for packet radio communication,
   electronic design, printed-circuit manufacture, a database of FCC
   rules and license exams, a code-practice program, and other Amateur
   Radio applications.

   The general-purpose software includes software for connecting to the
   Internet, compilers for the C and C++ languages, a full-featured
   typesetting system, a symbolic mathematics program, CDROM authoring
   tools, and many other programs. Unlike other Amateur Radio software
   collections, Linux for Hams is an integrated system. The programs are
   already compiled and configured to work together with the rest of the
   system.

   Linux for Hams is being built by Bruce Perens AB6YM, with the help of
   several volunteers. Of course, it builds on the work of the thousands
   of volunteers who helped create Linux and the other programs it
   contains.

   The system will be available for free if you download it using FTP. A
   low-cost CD will be available, for about $30 US.

  Free CDROM Subscription for Volunteers

   Most of the software in Linux for Hams is free software, contributed
   by its author for anyone to use. I would like to compensate those
   authors for their work. If you are the author of a significant piece
   of software included in Linux for Hams, please E-mail to
   [e-mail]. You may be be able to get a free CDROM subscription
   to Linux for Hams.

   Bruce Perens AB6YM reserves the right to decide who gets free
   subscriptions, what is included in a free subscription, and for how
   long those subscriptions last.

   For more information about Linux for Hams, check out the WWW page:

   http://www.hams.com/perens/LinuxForHams

   or send E-mail with the word "help" to:

   [e-mail]

   [Editor's Note: This project seems to be delayed as the result of
   schedule slippages with the Debian version of Linux. For more
   information about the status of the Debian Linux System, please
   contact David Engel at [e-mail].]
     _________________________________________________________________

Keith Petersen W8SDZ

   [e-mail]

  General Manager of Simtel(TM) Software Repository:

   http://www.simtel.net/simtel.net/
   ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/

   (Formerly wsmr-simtel20.army.mil)

   (simtel.net is a service mark of Walnut Creek CDROM)

   Announcements regarding uploads to Simtel of amateur-radio-related
   software are cross-posted to:

   rec.radio.info

   [Editor's Note: This outstanding archive collection, which
   incorporates much amateur-radio-related software, is listed here for
   completeness. However, as Keith gets about 200 E-mail messages a day,
   he strongly encourages self-sufficiency in the use of the archive. The
   above URL's contain several documents regarding how to download files
   from and upload files to this archive. There are also many other
   Elmers willing to answer beginning-level questions regarding accessing
   files via FTP and WWW. Consult the "INTERNET SERVICES" category in the
   Subject Quick-Search Index for a complete list.]
     _________________________________________________________________

Randall (Randy) Phillips N2BQV

   [e-mail]

   http://members.gnn.com/rlphillips/n2bqv.htm

   4768 Syracuse Road
   Cazenovia, NY 13035

     * Licensed since 1967
     * Primary interest is Amateur Television (ATV)
     * Have repeater site on property with 158-foot tall tower and two
       repeaters

   Member, Quarter Century Wireless Association (QCWA)

   (see also Jim Walsh)
     _________________________________________________________________

Ken Pulfer VE3PU

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

  Radio Amateurs of Canada (RAC) Treasurer and Webmaster

   (RAC is Canada's national amateur radio society.)

  RAC World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.rac.ca/
     _________________________________________________________________

   - Q -
     _________________________________________________________________

   - R -
     _________________________________________________________________

James Redding KB7UIX

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]
   AX.25: [e-mail]

   http://www.primenet.com/~cracked/

   Voice: [phone]

   Tucson, Arizona, USA

     * Antennas
     * Batteries
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Packet And Digital Networking
     * Portable
     * Repeaters
     * VHF/UHF
     * UNIX

   I can help anyone who has questions about operating on repeaters,
   packet, or how to choose an antenna for the VHF or UHF bands. I'm also
   able to help with almost any IBM PC-related question or problem.
     _________________________________________________________________

Terrence R. (Terry) Redding WB5LMJ

   [e-mail]

   P.O. Box 2868
   Palm Beach, FL 33480-2868
   (H) [phone]
   (W) [phone]

  PhD Candidate in Adult and Higher Education

  Educational Advisor, American Radio Relay League

   I am primarily an adult educator conducting research in self-directed
   learning. I have been involved in the following activities:

     * Teach licensing classes, since 1974.
     * Organize clubs, Stuttgart Amateur Radio Club, Panama Canal
       Astronomy Club, Lawton Astronomy Club.
     * Public speaking and publish on growth in volunteer organizations,
       marketing adult and higher education and teaching amateur radio
       courses.
     * Research in adult learning theory, adult motivation and
       organizational theory.
     * Conducted a SAREX activity that involve seven communities, 21
       schools and 3,000 children.

   I am primarily interested in assisting amateur radio clubs grow.
     _________________________________________________________________

Tony Reeves AB6GA

   [e-mail]

   Prescott, AZ

     * Novice training, local VE for Novice-Tech tests
     * General questions

   I also operate a 24-hour landline BBS for Ham and General Interest:

   [phone]
     _________________________________________________________________

Ronaldo (Rony) Reis PS7AB

   [e-mail]

   Natal City, Brazil

  Brazil Ham World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.digi.com.br/users/brazil/ps7ab.html

   (Featuring a wide variety of information about amateur radio and
   shortwave listening in Brazil.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Peter Reynolds KE4ABD


Peter Reynolds  (KE4BAD)  E-mail: [e-mail]
Voice: [phone]             FAX: [phone]
Senior Scientist, Radio Branch, Communications Division
SHAPE Technical Centre,  PO Box 174,  2501CD The Hague,
The Netherlands                 CompuServe: 100276,1340

   I am very lucky in that I earn my living in radio communications, so
   my expertise is fairly broad (but not focused on amateur techniques
   only):

     * Modulation types - FSK, PSK, MSK
     * Error control - various types of ARQ and FEC systems
     * RF - Antennas, HF propagation
     * Networking - TCP/IP over HF
     * Frequency bands: VLF, LF, HF, VHF, UHF, SHF

   This is a very brief synopsis of the areas that I have dealt with over
   the years. I always enjoy discussing and researching a communications
   problem so if you don't see it listed above drop me a line anyway,
   especially if you happen to be in Europe.
     _________________________________________________________________

Barry Rose K7YYM

   [e-mail]

  Board Member, Arizona Repeater Association

   Check out our Web page at:

   http://www.indirect.com/www/ara/
     _________________________________________________________________

Bill Roth N7RYW

   [e-mail]

  AMSAT-NA Life Member #2109

   I am the AMSAT coordinator for the Portland, Oregon area and I do a
   lot of the "Elmering" in this area as well as steering people toward
   others.

   This would be for satellites only, as I am not doing HF anymore.

   I am currently set up for all of the digital and analog satellites,
   all modes including AO-13 Mode S and weather sats.

   I would be happy to assist people with getting started and beyond in
   all areas of satellite operations.
     _________________________________________________________________

Henry Ruh KB9FO

   [e-mail]

  Amateur Television Quarterly (ATVQ) Magazine

   The magazine's E-mail address and mine are the same: ATVQ. There is
   also a ham radio section for "manufacturers and dealers" on America
   On-Line in which we list Amateur Television Quarterly, as expert and
   manufacturer. That is where most of the Frequently-Asked Questions
   (FAQ's) come from.

   Most FAQ's are answered in one of two books we published. ATV Secrets
   for Aspiring ATV'ers is a non technical book, and Volume II is a
   300-page technical manual with theory and projects for all equipment
   necessary to operate an ATV station. Prices in US funds are $9.95 and
   $24.95 plus postage ($3.10). Most of your inquires can be answered by
   either of these two books.

   I am also compiling a set of W6ORG Notes, a regular column in ATVQ,
   which answers many of the technical FAQ's on various equipment and
   operations. This will be available for $9.95 also.

   I can try to answer questions on here, and frequently do, but time is
   expensive and limited!
     _________________________________________________________________

John Rymell N3PFF

   [e-mail]
   Bloomsburg University
   Bloomsburg, PA

   Over 25 years in electronic/computer service work. Enjoy designing,
   building and operating vacuum tube and solid state equipment.
   Experienced in wire antenna and tuners, SWL, and Amateur Radio. Have
   real enthusiasm for building just about anything from next to nothing
   (:^)! Glad to help those in need.
     _________________________________________________________________


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     _________________________________________________________________

Bob Salnick WA9BVE


Bob Salnick, Spokane,WA |  UUCP:       oliveb!isc-br!tau-ceti!DejaVu!salnick
  Amiga 1000, WB 1.3    |  INTERNET:   [e-mail]
      WA9BVE            |

   I can help people with HF stuff, cheap antennas, and am willing to
   help troubleshoot problems with rigs.

   I believe that one of the pillars of ham radio - construction/
   understanding at the burn-your-hand-with-a-soldering-iron level - is
   drifting out of ham radio. With Japanese radios which cost so much,
   fewer and fewer hams are willing to risk their warranty to service
   their own equipment. I would like to see a turn-around here...
     _________________________________________________________________

Mark Salyzyn VE6MGS

   [e-mail]

     * Qualifications:
          + Repair Technician
          + Electrical Engineer (14+ years)
          + Advanced Amateur (Canadian) since 1988
     * Advice of value:
          + HF + VHF construction, homebrew, repair, circuitry,
            programming and mods
          + Operating Mobile
          + Packet Radio (Radio, TNC, AX.25, TCP/IP, UNIX NeXTSTEP)
          + NTS (Former Net Control for 80m CW Alberta Traffic Net for 3
            1/2 years)
          + Canadian Tests, Rules and Regulations (At least I can do some
            legwork if I don't know the answers.)
          + Antennas, Design and Installation
          + General Electronics, Repair, Diagnosis and Design
          + CW training
          + Having fun with Amateur Radio communications

  Past Maintainer of Radio Amateurs on Usenet E-mail address directory

   (still am an interested contact for this resource, though)

    Experimental Search Front-End:

     * http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/UsenetList.html

   Please direct all Radio Amateurs on Usenet E-mail address feedback,
   submissions, and administrivia to [e-mail] or
   [e-mail].
     _________________________________________________________________

Raymond Sarrio WB6SIV

   [e-mail]

   Advice on Antennas, Equipment, and the Internet

   Qualifications:

     * Licensed since 1966
     * Extra Class
     * WWW Webmaster
     * CW/HF Operator
     * Creator of the When All Else Fails--Amateur Radio Shirt

  Owner of a Full-Purpose Ham Radio World-Wide Web Site:

    (The Raymond Sarrio Co.)

   http://www.sarrio.com/

   Please direct any feedback, submissions, or administrivia regarding
   these resources to my E-mail address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Nick Sayer N6QQQ


Nick Sayer <[e-mail]>    | "I don't mind shooting, so long
N6QQQ @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM     | as the right people get shot."
[phone], log in as 'guest'   |
URL: http://www.kfu.com/~nsayer/     |     -- "Dirty" Harry Calahan

     * HF RTTY/AMTOR, Decoding CHU
     * VHF Packet
     * Unix, especially SunOS
     * Network Time Protocol (NTP)
     * Class-C Bipolar Amplifier Design
     * Phased-Lock-Loop (PLL) Theory (except for loop filters)

  Maintainer of the FCC-Approved(*) PostScript(tm) Form 610:

   ftp://ftp.kfu.com/pub/FCC-610/

   (*) To be completely official, the FCC recommends that it be printed
   on standard-weight, buff-colored paper form stock.
     _________________________________________________________________

Paul W. Schleck KD3FU

   [e-mail]

   (finger [e-mail] for PGP Public Key)

   http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/

   Internet Services (Finding FAQ's, using Usenet, FTP, telnet, Archie,
   FTP mail-servers, mailing lists, etc., etc.)

   Club Activities, Examinations, and other events in the Omaha/
   Lincoln/Council Bluffs (Eastern Nebraska/Western Iowa) area.

   Also willing to provide newsreader kill/select file help to anyone
   interested in customizing their presentation of the rec.radio.*
   newsgroups

   I would be particularly interested in mentoring/training new FAQ/Info
   maintainers for the rec.radio.* newsgroups (see also Jack Hill and
   John Seney for FAQ maintenance opportunities and the
   rec.radio.amateur.* Working Group mailing list). To paraphrase Zack
   Lau, I can't post it all myself!

   I have taken over maintenance of the Perl-based auto-faq FAQ
   management and posting package from Ian Kluft and would be happy to
   guide new FAQ authors in its use. The latest version, 3.2pl2, is
   available via anonymous FTP from:

   ftp://ftp.novia.net/customers/pschleck/auto-faq/

   The auto-faq-users mailing list has also been re-sited at Novia. To
   subscribe, send E-mail to [e-mail]

   with:

        subscribe auto-faq-users

   in the message body. An acknowledgement message will follow shortly.
   To unsubscribe, replace the above command with:


        unsubscribe auto-faq-users

   Recently I undertook some academic research into packet radio using
   KA9Q's Multiple-Access/Collision Avoidance (MACA) link-layer protocol.
   I attempted a literature survey as well as some software simulations
   of the protocol (with varying degrees of success). I would welcome any
   opportunities to improve on my work, find out about any actual MACA
   implementations, share information, and build on my bibliography
   (available on request). More information about MACA may be obtained
   from:

   ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/arrlcnc/1990/

  College Clubs

  Maintainer of this list

   Please direct all Elmers List submissions, feedback, and administrivia
   to [e-mail].
     _________________________________________________________________

Tony Schliesser N8XJA

   [e-mail]

   http://www.newwave.net/~aschlies/

   (Check my home page above to find out the current status of projects,
   etc.)

   [phone]

   1011 Green Valley Drive
   St. Albans, WV 25177

     * Mobile
     * Packet and Digital Networking
     * Repeaters
     * Skywarn
     * UNIX
     * VHF

     _________________________________________________________________

Barry Schwartz N2SHP

   [e-mail]

  New York City ARES Emergency Coordinator for Operations

  NYC ARES World-Wide Web Home Page:

   http://www.panix.com/clay/nyc-ares/
     _________________________________________________________________

Tom Sefranek WA1RHP

   [e-mail]

   http://hamradio.cmcorp.com/inventory/sefranek.html

   112 Great Rd.
   Shirley, MA 01464
   [phone]

   ARRL & W5YI VE, ARRL TS, ARRL Instructor/Elmer

     * Amplifiers
     * Antennas/Transmission lines
     * Battery/Solar Operation
     * Homebrewing/Do-it-Yourself
     * Mobile Operation
     * Power supplies
     * Repeater Building/Maintaining
     * RFI Consultant

   I prefer E-Mail to answer questions, etc.
   but feel free to call if you like.
     _________________________________________________________________

John D. Seney WD1V



                 John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
             144 Pepperidge Dr |_|   |_| page [e-mail]
     Manchester, NH 03103-6150 |_|_ _|_| AX.25: [e-mail]
  voice mail [phone] | | | | | fax [phone]

  Free Macintosh Amateur Radio Test Simulators

   Available under:

     * ftp://ftp.barc.org/pub/hamradio/mac/theory-and-morse/
     * http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v/

  Macnet Macintosh Amateur Radio Software Distribution

   Mac Computers + Hams + Radios = Macnet Software

   Available under:

     * ftp://ftp.barc.org/pub/hamradio/mac/
     * http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v

   or via First Class Mail on 10 New Disks for just $30.00 US

   (Each Stuffed with the Latest Self Extracting Public Domain or
   Freeware Versions - 800k Disks)

   Macnet Index by Disk:

    1. Logs + Demos
    2. DX + Contest
    3. Education + Remote Control
    4. Astronomy + FAX
    5. Packet Terminals
    6. Net/Mac TCP/IP + FAQ
    7. Novice Test (or the Ham Test of Your Choice)
    8. Satellite Trackers + Dove
    9. C/C++ Programming Tutors
   10. Macnet Roster ("Whos Who" of Hams w/ Macs)

   Send Check or Money Order - Outside USA Send $40.00 US
   All Orders Shipped within 48 Hours

  Maintainer of rec.radio.amateur.misc FAQ

   (Formerly maintained by Diana Syriac, KC1SP, and Ian Kluft, KO6YQ.)

   Available from:

   http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v/hamradio.faq.html

   (The majority of the original content of the FAQ remains the same, but
   now it's a hypertext document with hundreds of links to radio-related
   sites and is a significant resource to all students of amateur radio -
   regardless of their license status.)

  Maintainer of Digital Storage Scope FAQ

   Available from:

   http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v/dsofaq.html

   or write me at my E-mail address above with:

        subscribe scope.faq

   in the Subject.

  Maintainer of Macintosh Amateur Radio Software List

   (Formerly maintained by Patty Winter, N6BIS and Terry Stader, KA8SCP.)

   http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v/page5.html

   Please direct any submissions, feedback, or administrivia regarding
   these services to my E-mail address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Jimmie B. Shelton KT4FQ

   [e-mail]
   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   Modem: [phone]

   2329 Pendleton Dr.
   Clarksville, TN 37042

     * Antennas
     * Field Day

     _________________________________________________________________

Philip A. Shelton N6DZH

   [e-mail]

   Voice (Work): [phone]
   FAX/Modem: [phone]

   2654 State Street #33
   Santa Barbara, CA 93105

     * Antennas
     * ARES/RACES
     * Morse Code
     * QRP
     * Volunteer Examiner

     _________________________________________________________________

Mike Silva KK6GM

   [e-mail]

   Stuff I know:

     * Antennas
     * Circuitry (analog, digital, RF, tubes, semiconductors)
     * Construction
     * CW
     * Operation (HF, VHF/UHF)
     * Finding Parts

     _________________________________________________________________

Don Simpson KO4TA

   [e-mail]

  Net Control, Best of 75 Net

   Meets every Saturday evening at 1930 Eastern Time at 3.975 MHz (75
   Meter HF Amateur Radio). Guests via the KO4TA phone patch usually
   arrive about 2100 Eastern Time.

   The purpose of this net is to bring the Amateur Celebrity to the
   Amateur for an opportunity to ask and answer questions. Past guests
   have included Barry Goldwater, Wayne Green, Hap Holley, Fred Maia, and
   Bill Pasternak.

   The 3.975 MHz frequency is also home of the Friday Night Trader's Net
   at 1930 EST as well as good-natured discussion in general almost any
   other time.

  World-Wide Web Home page of the "Best of 75 Net":

   http://www.mindspring.com/~ko4ta/bestofnet.html

  Security/Fire Systems Home Page:

   http://www.mindspring.com/~ko4ta/alarm.html
     _________________________________________________________________

Rein Smit W6/PA0ZN

   [e-mail]

  Earth-Moon-Earth (EME) and Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI)
  World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.nitehawk.com/rasmit/
     _________________________________________________________________

John Harvey Smith KE4KTO, AFA2MJ

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone] ext 3307

   5403 Forest Oaks Drive
   Greensboro, NC 27406-8317

     * Antennas
     * ARES
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * USAF MARS
     * Mobile/Portable
     * Novice/Tech Instruction
     * Packet And Digital Networking
     * Repeaters
     * SKYWARN
     * VHF/UHF

   I have considerable expertise in building and maintaining personal
   computers (PC's) as well as several years of experience in ARES,
   SKYWARN, and USAF MARS. I have also built my own antennas.
     _________________________________________________________________

Bill Sohl K2UNK

   [e-mail]

   [phone]

   Budd Lake, New Jersey

  ARRL Local Government Liaison

   Other areas of expertise:

     * Apple Macintosh
     * Batteries
     * Internet Services
     * Scouting (Radio Merit Badge Counselor)
     * Seminars/Lectures
     * VHF
     * Zoning Ordinances Related to Antenna Towers

     _________________________________________________________________

Keith Sproul WU2Z


Keith Sproul                          Ham Radio: WU2Z
Student Housing Network Coordinator   [e-mail]
Rutgers University Computing Service  [phone] Work [phone] Fax
http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~ksproul    [phone] Home

   North Brunswick, New Jersey

  Automated Position Reporting System (APRS)

   (See also Mark Sproul)
     _________________________________________________________________

Mark Sproul KB2ICI

   [e-mail]

   North Brunswick, New Jersey

  Automated Position Reporting System (APRS) World-Wide Web Page:

   http://aprs.rutgers.edu/APRS/
     _________________________________________________________________

Terry Stader KA8SCP/1

  America Online Ham Radio Club Host


     * [e-mail] (files/messages less than 27K)


     * KA8SCP@WA1PHY.#EMA.MA.USA.NOAM _or_
     * [e-mail] [44.56.4.82]


     * registered ARRL Instructor (teaching for the last 6 years
       Novice/Tech classes with an 87% pass rate)
     * Host (Forum Manager) of the America Online Ham Radio Club Forum
     * President for 6 consecutive years of an ARRL Special Service Club
       (The Police Amateur Radio Team of Westford, MA - WB1GOF)
     * ARRL Eastern Massachusetts Assistant Section Manager and District
       Emergency Coordinator
     * Area 1 Communications Officer for the Massachusetts Emergency
       Management Agency (formerly Mass. Civil Defense Agency)
     * Expertise with Apple // and Macintosh computers. (I have over 80
       MB of Mac ham radio software available.) and ham-related
     * Operate TCP/IP with Macintosh
     * plus all around source of information about communications

  Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/mema/

   The Macintosh Amateur Radio Software List is now maintained by John
   Seney. See his entry for more information.
     _________________________________________________________________

Bill Standerfer KF0DJ


Bill Standerfer                        *        Hewlett-Packard Company
CFI-A, IA, ME                          *        VXI Systems Division
[e-mail]                      *        Loveland, CO  80539
Baron N222AB - KF0DJ - Pikes Peak 253  *        [phone]

   I'm certainly willing to be an Elmer if there's a need. I hope I've
   learned a few things since 1966 when I first went on the air. :-)
   Here's a list of subjects I might be able to help with:

     * Combining amateur radio and flying
     * Antennas
     * Civil Air Patrol
     * General Operating Practices
     * Older (Tube) Equipment
     * Test Equipment and Measurements

     _________________________________________________________________

Rene Stiegler N4LET

   [e-mail]

  Manager, Maritime Mobile Service Net (MMSN)

  MMSN World-Wide Web Home Page:

   http://www.maf.mobile.al.us/~mmsn/
     _________________________________________________________________

Jeff Stillinger KB6IBB


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Jeff Stillinger - KB6IBB                              [e-mail]
PSC Box 3429                                          [e-mail]
Edwards AFB, CA  93524                                [phone]N1
      Flight Test Center, crashing aircraft so you don't have too.
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

   http://red-agnes.la.ca.us/~js/

   For hams that are interested and live in my area, they are welcome to
   login to IBBS. IBBS is a full-time Unix-based computer that is
   dedicated to ham radio. I carry a full rec.radio.* news feed and
   E-mail. There will never be a fee for anything.

   Over the past 10 years I have operated from 160 M - 23 CM and would be
   willing to answer any question a new person to the hobby has. If I
   don't know the answer, well, NASA is only two blocks away. :-) I live
   and work here at Edwards Air Force Base, CA. I am also very active in
   SAREX.
     _________________________________________________________________

Dave Stine WA2JTA/6

   [e-mail]

   My areas of expertise are:

     * vacuum tube amps, receivers, exciters
     * CW operating tips
     * wire antenna tips, hints & kinks

     _________________________________________________________________

David Stockton GM4ZNX

   [e-mail]

     * SWL since 1960
     * Licensed since 1984 (UK full class A)
     * Degrees in electronics&comms and digital techniques etc.
     * Currently senior design engineer doing RF design
     * Fairly broad interest in amateur radio (but not contests!)
     * Antennas, Transmission lines,filters from fundamental theory to
       practice
     * Receiver structures and circuits from simple to state of the art.
     * Transmitters, ATUs
     * Test equipment
     * Wide experience of troubleshooting/repairing equipment.
     * Professional experience of EMC/RFI
     * QRP
     * UK Operation and Licensing
     * My morse is flaky, but I keep working on it
     * No interest in contests
     * No interest in packet radio or in fixing computers

   Just wrote the new oscillator and synthesiser chapter for the 1995
   ARRL Handbook. Also co-developed (with G3ROO) a robust phase-locked
   summing loop circuit to replace the common mixer-filter LO frequency
   adder. A technical article describing the project was recently
   published in RADCOM.
     _________________________________________________________________

C. E. (Chuck) Strobel K6PBT

   [e-mail]

  Maintainer of the K6PBT Dealer Directory:

    (For the Ham Radio/SWL/Electronics Enthusiast)

   DealerLinks: http://www.pinsight.com/~cestro/pcdlinks.html
   DealerEmail: http://www.pinsight.com/~cestro/pcdemail.html

   Please direct any feedback, submissions, or administrivia regarding
   these resources to my E-mail address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Phil Sussman KB8LUJ

   [e-mail]

  Publisher of PACTOR News:

   http://www.dnaco.net/~pactor/

   (Also contains links to other PACTOR-related sites)

  Speaker and Host of PACTOR Forum at Dayton Hamvention

     _________________________________________________________________

   - T -
     _________________________________________________________________

Roger H. Taylor K9ALD


Roger H. Taylor, PE                [e-mail]
1106 Rayburn Ct.                   K9ALD     AFA3WG
Mahomet, IL 61853                  Outdoor writer (Fishing)
[phone]                    Skamania Reign Supreme!
Manager, Network systems, OIM, University of Illinois

   Help on antennas, Air Force MARS, components, Tube circuits, linear
   amplifiers, troubleshooting, Internet questions and software

  Author of 1995 ARRL Handbook, Chapter 5 on Direct Current (DC)

  Illinois Fishing Page at:

   http://www.cba.uiuc.edu/~rtaylor/fish/fish.htm
     _________________________________________________________________

Pierre Thomson KA2QPG

   [e-mail]

   Interests:

     * Operate mostly HF, mostly CW
     * HF wire antennas
     * LF/MF radiobeacon DXing
     * VHF & UHF FM commercial experience
     * Telephone RFI and lightning protection

     _________________________________________________________________

Patrick Tice WA0TDA

   [e-mail]

   Voice: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

  Manager, Courage HANDI-HAM System

   I have information pertaining to Amateur Radio and physical
   disabilities or sensory impairments, such as blindness.

   Visit us on the World-Wide Web:

   http://www.mtn.org/handiham/
     _________________________________________________________________

Bob Tidd KJ6CS

   [e-mail]

   Computerized DXCC databases and query software (written in BSD-Unix
   compatible C) available on request. Would welcome ports to IBM-PC or
   Macintosh.
     _________________________________________________________________

Markku Toijala OH2BQZ

   [e-mail]

  Finnish Amateur Radio League (SRAL) World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.sral.fi/

   Please direct all submissions, feedback, and administrivia regarding
   SRAL and its WWW page to [e-mail].
     _________________________________________________________________

Michael Tracy KC1SX


Michael Tracy, KC1SX               |  [e-mail]
American Radio Relay League        |  [e-mail]
225 Main St.                       |
Newington, CT  06111               |
[phone] - voice
[phone] - FAX

  ARRL Technical Information Service Coordinator ([e-mail])

  ARRL E-Mail Information Server SysOp ([e-mail])

   The ARRL Technical Information Service (TIS) is a valuable membership
   benefit that helps hams find answers to difficult technical questions.

   The answer to a ham's most common technical questions can be found in
   one of the many books about Amateur Radio. Folks who call or write to
   ARRL TIS staff are often referred to one of these books or to a past
   magazine article.

   However, most hams find that the fastest way to get the answer is to
   do their own research. Publication catalogs often talk about what
   kinds of information are available in different books. A few good
   books will answer the vast majority of questions as well as enhance a
   ham's knowledge and enjoyment of this fascinating hobby.

   Magazines are also a superb technical reference. An annual index of
   articles appears in the December issue of QST and other magazines.
   These indexes will usually have an article or two (or six) about a
   particular topic. If an older QST or QEX article is not available
   locally, the ARRL Technical Department Secretary can provide a copy
   for a small fee. Back issues are also available from the QST
   Circulation Department.

   The ARRL Technical Information Service is a valuable source of
   information and research for questions that cannot be answered by
   other means. ARRL TIS has information packages and bibliographies that
   are available on request to answer most technical questions.

   For those who want to know if something has been previously published
   on a particular subject, TIS can also assist with research to locate
   this information. TIS also helps locate companies that sell hard to
   find parts or supplies used in our hobby.

   Many amateur radio informational documents are also available from the
   ARRL E-Mail Information Server (or Info-Server for short). To find out
   how to use the Info-Server, send E-mail to [e-mail] with any
   subject (it is ignored) and the following text in the body of the
   message:


        HELP
        QUIT

   See Cheyenne Greatorex's entry for information about the ARRL
   Anonymous FTP Archive and David Newkirk's entry for information about
   the ARRL World-Wide Web Home Page.
     _________________________________________________________________

Dr. Len Traubman (DDS) W6HJK

   [e-mail]

   http://www.igc.org/traubman/

  Russian Phrases for Amateur Radio:

   http://www.igc.org/traubman/russian.htm

   This 20-page syllabus was compiled during the Cold War by W6HJK to
   help amateurs better communicate with their Soviet colleagues. A
   90-minute audio cassette has been added to help with pronunciation.
   You need not be an expert in Russian, only interested in "trying."

   The booklet provides (1) English words and phrases for QSOs,
   accompanied by (2) the Russian translation and (3) the English
   transliteration, to assist you in pronouncing the Russian.

   The syllabus follows the natural sequence of a QSO. There are
   additional sections on the Russian alphabet, phonetics, CW characters,
   numerals, and given women's and men's names. Suggestions are made for
   addressing mail to the former Soviet Union.

   The author undertook this project out of a personal interest in
   improving the quality of his QSOs with Soviet hams and to enhance USA-
   USSR relations. A nominal cost of $6 US ($8 US international) for the
   booklet, and $6 US ($8 US international) for the audio cassette, are
   payable to the Foundation for Global Community (formerly Beyond War),
   the original original sponsor of this educational endeavor to build
   global dialogue and cooperation.

   Requests should be sent to:

   RUSSIAN PHRASES FOR AMATEUR RADIO
   Len Traubman, W6HJK
   1448 Cedarwood Drive
   San Mateo, California 94403
   USA

   Voice: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   [Editor's Note: It is my intention to keep the Elmers List as
   comprehensive and useful as possible, representing a broad spectrum of
   amateur radio activities. To that end, I have tried to make only very
   minimal content judgements, if at all. Though this organization seems
   to serve larger political and propaganda goals that I personally may
   not agree with, I think the amateur-radio-related content, and the
   useful product being offered, is redeeming enough to include here. As
   always, criticisms regarding any Elmer's entry may be directed to the
   Elmer him/herself.]
     _________________________________________________________________

Clark Savage Turner WA3JPG


Clark Savage Turner, Graduate Student Researcher
[e-mail]
Safety Critical Software Group                  home:
Department of Info. and Computer Science        1514 Verano Place
Irvine, CA  92717                               Irvine, CA  92715
[phone]                                 [phone]

WA3JPG, QRP #3526
        HHH WAS  #489

  Admitted to practice law in California, Massachusetts, and New York.

  ARRL Volunteer Counsel

   I would be happy to be an Elmer (have been doing it by default) in the
   area of older HF gear, especially QRP operation with Ten Tec Argonauts
   (and Power Mites, etc.). Also have experience with other 10-20
   year-old economy HF rigs, particularly the Kenwood TS-520.
     _________________________________________________________________

Paul Turvey G1PJJ

 Paul Turvey, G1PJJ   | Internet: [e-mail]
                      | Amprnet:  [e-mail]
                      | AX25:     G1PJJ@GB7ZAA.#34.GBR.EU

  Maintainer of the uk.radio.amateur FAQ

   Available from:

   http://www.topsy.demon.co.uk/radio-amateur/faq.html

   Please direct all FAQ submissions, feedback, and administrivia to
   [e-mail].
     _________________________________________________________________

Dr. Simon Twigger AA9PW, G1SNT


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Dr. Simon Twigger                        Tel:    [phone]
Medical College of Wisconsin             Fax:    [phone]
8701, Watertown Plank Road               Email:  [e-mail]
Milwaukee, WI 53213
WWW: http://www.biochem.mcw.edu/Postdocs/Simon/index.html

               "Why don't you just make 10 louder?"
                          (Spinal Tap)
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   Having recently discovered the joys of Perl and CGI on the WWW, I
   decided to get into the swing of it by coding a WWW page where one can
   take practice Amateur Radio Exams. The page is now complete and has
   all five examinations along with figures (including Extra).

   The results are displayed question-by-question and then broken down by
   subelement so that you can see which areas need extra study.

   I am also saving the results from each examination taken so that one
   can get some idea of the relative success rate for each Exam and
   subelement. This may provide some interesting information as time goes
   by.

   The page can be found at:

   http://www.biochem.mcw.edu/Postdocs/Simon/radio/exam.html

   I _think_ it should all work as expected but I welcome any reports of
   bugs and/or suggestions!

   I hope this is of use to people interested in upgrading.

   PS: If the page is slow, or not to your liking, try Ham Exam at:

   http://w5ac.tamu.edu/ham-exam.html
     _________________________________________________________________

   - U -
     _________________________________________________________________

   - V -
     _________________________________________________________________

Johnathan Vail N1DXG


PrePRESS      Johnathan Vail     [e-mail]  [phone]
- ---------+    900 Middlesex Turnpike   Billerica, Massachusetts   01821
solutions     MEMBER: League for Programming Freedom ([e-mail])

  Amateur TCP/IP

  TAPR/9600 modem

   (putting some stuff together for a local repeater)
     _________________________________________________________________

David P. van De Kerk KE6GXD


 -----------------
 David P. van De Kerk             Manager, Systems Integration
 American Turnkey                 Santa Ana, CA USA
 [phone] x-207 voice      [phone] FAX   [e-mail]
 ===============================================
 This message does not constitute any official or unofficial statement or
 policy of American Turnkey or any other organization, corporation or
 institution.

   I just upgraded to Advanced, and am now working on Extra. Was first
   licensed about ten months ago.

   What I've learned:

    1. How to operate HF from your apartment without being evicted
    2. How to pass tests, both written and code
    3. How to make a virtue out of the necessity of your limited
       equipment, and enjoy the process while doing it

   I operate CW HF exclusively. The only time I get to operate is when
   the baby is asleep, so the XYL demands silent running. Besides, with
   my wimpy wire, there is little point in trying to run voice.
     _________________________________________________________________

Frank E. van Vliet PA3FAQ

   [e-mail]

   I am willing to answer questions about:

     * FILTERS
          + integrated
          + distributed
          + lumped
          + active
          + etc.
     * MICROWAVES
          + designing power amplifiers
          + low noise amplifiers
          + mixers
          + etc.

   (E-Mail questions are preferred)

   Frank E. van Vliet :-)
   Delft University of Technology
   Faculty of Electrical Engineering
   Postbus 5031
   2600 GA DELFT
   The Netherlands
     _________________________________________________________________

Peter Vekinis KC1QF, EI4GV, SV0GV

   [e-mail]

   http://www.ellada.com/ham/kc1qf.html

  Picosat System World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.cordis.lu/esprit/src/picosat.htm

   (The Picosat System will consist of a constellation of very tiny, 15
   cm cube, low-earth-orbit amateur satellites accessible by low-power
   handheld VHF radios.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Charles R. (Chip) Veres WB4OQN

   [e-mail]

   [phone] (don't be put off by the answering machine)

   Miami, FL

   I have been active in amateur and commercial radio for the last 26
   years I have worked on AM, FM, CW, and SSB sets from longwave through
   12 GHz. I have also built TV stations for UHF and the 2.5 GHz ITFS
   band.

   I am particularly interested in finding others to learn from my
   experiences. I am available by net or in person.
     _________________________________________________________________

   - W -
     _________________________________________________________________

Jim Walsh W7LVN

   [e-mail]

   Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. (QCWA), headquartered in
   Eugene, OR, is pleased to announce the QCWA World-Wide Web Home Page,
   available by either text or graphics browser at:

   http://www.efn.org/~qcwa/

   Membership in QCWA, a not-for-profit 501(c)(3) corporation, is open to
   any radio amateur licensed today AND also licensed 25 years or more
   ago (there is NO REQUIREMENT for continuous licensing over this time
   period -- if you received your first ham license on or before January
   1, 1970, you're now eligible). Included on the Web page are:

     * Photos, biographies, addresses and phone numbers of QCWA 1995-1996
       Officers and Directors
     * Database of local Chapters (nearly 200, worldwide), including
       name, address, and callsign of Chapter Secretary
     * Listing of on-the-air Chapter meetings
     * Details of upcoming National Convention -- with photos, as soon as
       we receive them
     * A few words about the quarterly QCWA Journal (we hope soon to have
       excerpts from Editor Barry Wiseman's new, improved Journal
       available to you on the Web)
     * Rules and schedule for QCWA Phone and CW QSO Parties
     * QCWA Memorial Scholarship Program
     * Criteria for and recent winners of QCWA Awards
     * A Photo Tour of QCWA Headquarters and W2MM/7 memorial station
       (soon to display a spiffy new IC-738 . . . THANK YOU, ICOM!)
     * Links to other interesting ham-related Web sites

   Please visit QCWA on the Web . . . and take a moment to E-mail me with
   your comments, corrections, and suggestions at my E-mail address
   above. If you administer a ham-related Web site, QCWA would appreciate
   a Link from your page. We're 12,000-strong -- worldwide -- and
   growing! Come join us!
     _________________________________________________________________

Dennis 'Deni' Watters WB0TAX

   [e-mail]
   AX.25: WB0TAX@WB0TAX.#SHRV.LA.USA.NOAM
   [e-mail]

   http://www.dwatt.com/

   Voice: [phone]
   Work: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]

   The Dun Muvn Farm
   279 Ranchtown Road
   Elm Grove, LA 71051
   USA

     * BBS's
     * CW
     * IBM PC's
     * Internet Services
     * Packet and Digital Networking
     * Seminars/Lectures

     _________________________________________________________________

John Wendt WA6BFH

   [e-mail]

  Founder, Tech Bench Elmers Amateur Radio Society

   (Devoted to homebrewing and technical amateur radio in general)

   (See also Mike Bridges.)
     _________________________________________________________________

Paul Whatton G4DCV

   [e-mail]

  Manager, Amiga Amateur Radio User Group (AARUG)

  AARUG World-Wide Web Page:

   http://homepages.enterprise.net/pwhatton/
     _________________________________________________________________

Bob Wier


 --    Round Up the Usual Disclaimers!     --
Bob Wier, CS Dept., East Texas State University
   [e-mail] - keeper of the
    Motorola MC68HC11, Photo-3D, SD3D,
Icom Radio and Overland Trails mailing lists

   The HC11 mailing list also encompasses discussion about the HC16 and
   683XX series of micro-controllers.

   The ICOM list is for not only Ham, but SWL, Scanning, and Global
   Positioning System (GPS) equipment as well.

   Subscription requests for any of these can be sent to

   [e-mail]

   with the body of the message as:

        subscribe list-name <your full name>

   for example

        subscribe Icom Wyle E. Coyote

     _________________________________________________________________

Bob Wilkins N6FRI


  Bob Wilkins  N6FRI                 work    [e-mail]
 Berkeley, California                home    [e-mail]
     94701-0710                      ax.25   N6FRI@N6EEG.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NOAM

  Repeaters

  UHF Propagation

  California Amateur VHF Enthusiasts (CAVE) World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.ccnet.com/~rwilkins/
     _________________________________________________________________

Lou Williams KE4ARM


Lou Williams ([e-mail])    | aka:   KE4ARM
Unix Systems Programmer                 | Phone: [phone]
NCSU Administrative Computing Services  | FAX:   [phone]

   Personal URL: http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/~nsyslaw/

  Maintainer of the Amateur Radio Web Server:

   http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/

   Please direct all submissions, feedback, and administrivia to my
   E-mail address above.
     _________________________________________________________________

Gene Williamson K7DBV

   [e-mail]

  Quarter Century Wireless Association

   (see also Jim Walsh)
     _________________________________________________________________

Paul Williamson KB5MU

   [e-mail]

   I'm not the author of InstantTrack itself, but I was extensively
   involved in its testing. I'm the author of OrbitDRV (the tracking TSR
   that comes with InstantTrack) and a number of other InstantTrack
   auxiliary programs.

   AMSAT-NA (the Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation in North America)
   operates the Internet host AMSAT.ORG to provide for efficient
   communications between people interested in the amateur satellite
   program. At this time two services are provided: a message remailing
   service and a mailing list service.

   In addition, the AMSAT World-Wide Web home page provides interactive
   access to a variety of information related to the amateur radio
   satellite program. Use your Web browser program (e.g., Mosaic) to
   access the URL:

   http://www.amsat.org/

   Anonymous FTP is available from:

   ftp://ftp.amsat.org/amsat/

   This archive contains much of the same information as the WWW server.
   In addition, various files and programs are available for anonymous
   FTP. This is a relatively new archive, so the older FTP site:

   ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/

   still has lots of files not available there.

   The message remailing service permits users to send each other mail on
   the Internet without keeping track of each other's Internet address.
   The remailing service allows each user to receive mail sent to the
   address [e-mail], where callsign is that user's amateur
   radio callsign, or other unique identifier. Mail sent to that address
   will be routed first to the AMSAT.ORG host at UCSD in San Diego, then
   remailed from AMSAT.ORG to the network address specified by the user.
   In most cases, this process delays the message by only a very few
   minutes. The mailing list service groups subscribers into mailing
   lists to receive certain types of messages. There are public mailing
   lists available to anyone, and private mailing lists available only to
   certain people (for example, AMSAT Board of Directors members or
   PACSAT command stations). Currently the following public mailing lists
   exist:

  ANS - AMSAT News Service

   This mailing list carries official news releases from the AMSAT News
   Service. These messages are posted in a form suitable for direct
   posting to a packet radio BBS system. Each message contains a Bulletin
   Identifier (BID), which permits the message to be introduced into the
   packet network at many places without resulting in duplicate bulletins
   at any BBS. The primary purpose of this mailing list is to distribute
   ANS bulletins for redistribution (via the packet net or on AMSAT voice
   nets), but individuals may also subscribe for their own use. If your
   local packet BBS doesn't seem to get the ANS bulletins reliably, you
   are encouraged to post the ANS bulletins yourself.

   Only authorized AMSAT News Service personnel should send messages to
   the ANS mailing list.

  AMSAT-BB - AMSAT bulletin board

   This mailing list carries general AMSAT information. This information
   may NOT be suitable in content for transmission via amateur radio, so
   automatic reposting of AMSAT-BB messages to packet radio BBS's is
   discouraged. The purpose of this mailing list is to provide a forum
   for general discussion of any satellite-related topic.

   Anyone may send messages to the AMSAT-BB mailing list. Simply address
   your message to [e-mail], and it will be automatically
   forwarded to all subscribers to the AMSAT-BB mailing list.

   Editors of publications should ask permission of the sender before
   publishing anything seen in AMSAT-BB elsewhere, unless the posting was
   obviously a public press release. However, posters should realize that
   anything posted to AMSAT-BB is essentially public.

  KEPS - Keplerian Elements mailing list

   This mailing list carries official postings of Keplerian element sets
   for satellites of interest to radio amateurs. Like the ANS bulletins,
   these messages are posted in a form suitable for direct posting to a
   packet radio BBS.

   Only authorized AMSAT News Service personnel should send messages to
   the KEPS mailing list.

  NASAINFO - NASA related information mailing list

   This mailing list contains information about current and planned NASA
   space missions. Be forewarned: at times this mailing list delivers
   many large messages.

  SAREX - Shuttle Amateur Radio Experiment mailing list

   This mailing list contains information and press releases pertaining
   to SAREX missions.

   To obtain any of these services, just send a message to the address

   [e-mail]

   This address may be reached from CompuServe MAIL as:

   >INTERNET:[e-mail]

   For the moment, the maintenance of the AMSAT.ORG mailing lists and
   remailing aliases is done manually. Later, this service will probably
   be automated and you will have to follow a strict message format. For
   now, you may send requests in free format. They will usually be
   processed within a few days. In general, you will not receive an
   explicit reply to your request. Be sure you specify:

    1. Which mailing list(s) you want to receive
    2. Your callsign, if any
    3. The Internet address to be used, if different from the one in your
       From: header.

   You should not send messages about your subscriptions to any of the
   mailing lists. Send them to [e-mail] instead. This includes
   questions, requests for changes, requests for information about
   mailing services, and complaints.

   The list of amateurs who may be reached via the message remailing
   service may be obtained by requesting the "address book". Note that
   the address book as distributed contains only the callsigns of the
   available addressees, not their actual Internet addresses. The address
   book is updated occasionally, and does not necessarily contain the
   very latest information.

   You may request to be added to the list, to be deleted from the list,
   or to have your Internet address changed on the list. Please include
   your callsign if you have one. If you don't have a callsign, that's
   OK, but please say so. If you have more than one Internet address you
   want to have available on the AMSAT.ORG remailer, you may so specify.
   For instance, if you have a regular Internet address and a CompuServe
   account, you may appear in the address book as both w1xyz and
   w1xyz-cis. Mail sent to w1xyz would go to your Internet address, and
   mail sent to w1xyz-cis would go to CompuServe. MCImail accounts have
   the form w1xyz-mci, and so on.

   You may also subscribe or unsubscribe to any of the public mailing
   lists described above. Send a message to [e-mail],
   specifying clearly which mailing list(s) you want to add or drop, and
   giving your callsign if you have one. When you subscribe to a mailing
   list, you will automatically be added to the remailing service as
   well, because the mailing lists are maintained by callsign. If you
   have more than one address listed in the remailing service, please
   indicate which one(s) you want the mailing list messages sent to.

   Additional mailing lists, public or private, can be set up as needed.
   Send mail to [e-mail] for details.

   Questions about any service offered by AMSAT.ORG may be directed to
   [e-mail] as well.

   Please note that the AMSAT business office is separate from mailing
   list maintenance. You may address membership requests to
   [e-mail], or send them by mail, phone, or fax to AMSAT
   headquarters:

   AMSAT-NA
   850 Sligo Avenue
   Silver Spring, MD 20910
   USA

   Voice: [phone]
   FAX: [phone]
     _________________________________________________________________

Mike Witkowski N3FDL

   [e-mail]

  DX QSL Info World-Wide Web Page:

   http://www.coredcs.com/~mtw/

   The DX QSL Info File is updated monthly. It is in Xbase format and
   runs under a variety of software, including:

     * Dbase
     * Vplus
     * Totalham

     _________________________________________________________________

Bob Witte KB0CY, 7J1AUE


Bob Witte                                                  [e-mail]
Electronic Measurements Division                           [phone]
Hewlett Packard Company                                    KB0CY    7J1AUE


     * Interests:
          + VHF & UHF Repeaters
          + VHF & UHF Operation (including mountaintopping & portable
            operation)
          + Scanning frequencies above 30 MHz
          + Coordinator for the Colorado 14er Radio Event (VHF/UHF hiking
            & mountaintopping event)
          + Operated portable in Japan (7J1AUE)
          + General Mobile Radio Service (GMRS)
          + Test and measurement equipment
          + Technical writing (ham magazines, EE pubs and a few books)

     * Qualifications & Questionable Credentials:
          + MSEE, FCC General Radiotelephone License, Amateur Extra Class

     _________________________________________________________________

John F. Woods WB7EEL

   [e-mail]

  Maintainer of My List of Mail Order Electronics Companies

   Available from:

     * http://www.funhouse.com/jfw/RF_PARTS.txt
     * ftp://ftp.funhouse.com/pub/RF_PARTS.txt
     * ftp://ftp.cs.buffalo.edu/pub/ham-radio/mail_order
     * ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/rec.radio.amateur.misc/

     _________________________________________________________________

   - X -
     _________________________________________________________________

   - Y -
     _________________________________________________________________

Conway Yee N2JWQ

   [e-mail]
   2144 East 21 Street
   Brooklyn, New York 11229

  Maintainer of the Universal and Free Listing of Repeaters for Radio Amateurs

   This listing with all the data is available for anonymous FTP from:

   ftp://mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu/pub/yee/rptr010.Z

   An experimental search and submission front-end is available at:

   http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/scripts/HamRadio/repeaterdb.perl

   As far as I am aware, all the data is freely redistributable and my
   intent is to make sure it stays that way. For this reason, I have
   applied the GNU General Public License.

   The repeater project will now include repeaters from ALL bands and is
   not limited to the US. This reflects the intent to make this directory
   universal.

   Contributions of data may be made by anonymous ftp to:

   ftp://mipgsun.mipg.upenn.edu/pub/yee/uploads/

   or via E-mail to [e-mail]

   The data format has not been changed from the old format so
   contributions that you were planning to make (prior to my recent
   troubles) are still current and most welcome. This repeater listing
   will be of use if people take an active part in making it accurate and
   useful.
     _________________________________________________________________

   - Z -
     _________________________________________________________________

Martin A. Zurn IK2RMZ, DL1GBZ

   Home QTH: v. Fermi 10, 21027 Ispra (VA) Italy
   (Northern Italy near Swiss Border)
   Position: Lat 45d49m N Long 8d38m E WW-Loc: JN45ht
   On air: CW only, 160 thru 10 incl. WARC, wire ant only

   Work QTH: TP 680, Centro CCR, 21020 Ispra (VA) Italy
   E-mail at work: [e-mail]

   Expertise:

   Technical: Elbugs (incl. features like dot/dash memories, squeezing,
   touch sensors, auto spacing) Antennas used: Windom, Delta Loop, Trap
   Dipole, Marconi wire.

   Operational: CW Operator since 1981, QRP Operation, Traffic handling
   nets (NTS, Swedish QTC nets) CW operating in several West European
   languages (Ham radio shorts, use of foreign CW characters in Italian,
   German, French, Spanish, and Swedish). QSLing (How to design a QSL
   that satisfies award hunters and operators of the QSL buro)

   Club life: Mbr of AGCW, UFT, GQRP, HSC, VHSC, SMHSC, SCAG,...

   Admin: License Regulations in Italy and Germany

   Mathematics: Spherical Trigonometry, beam headings, calculation of
   sunset/sunrise times, etc.
     _________________________________________________________________

  End of Directory

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[ ANARTS - Australian National Amateur Radio Teletype Society ]


This is the Australian National Amateur Radio Society with
our weekly RTTY broadcast.    We transmit on the following
frequencies and times :

  3.545 MHz (Plus/minus 5)   0930 UTC     VK2CTD (COL)
  7.045 MHz  -3              0030 UTC     VK2CTD (COL)
 14.070 MHz (amtor/fec)      0030 UTC     VK2DPM (ALAN)
 14.091 MHz                  0030 UTC     VK2DPM (ALAN)
146.675 MHz             0030/0930 UTC     VK2JPA (PAT)
144.850 MHz (ax25 bbs)                    VK2JPA AT VK2WI
146.675 MHz (rtty mmbbs/repeater)         VK2RTY


        INTERNET         RADIO-INFO-DIST AT UCSD.EDU

Views  expressed  in  this news bulletin are  not  necessarily
those of the Broadcast Officer, the Relay Officers, or of the
Society.

A.N.A.R.T.S. News Bulletin 929 5 October 1996

COLS COLUMN
-----------

SOMMERING'S TELEGRAPH
---------------------
THE ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH  TOOK A PRACTICAL FORM  DUE MUCH TO THE
WORK DONE BY VOLTA,  NICHOLSON,  CARLISLE AND OERSTED.   IT IS
RECORDED THAT SOMMERING  WAS INTRODUCED TO  THE TELEGRAPH IN A
MOST DRAMATIC WAY. ON 9TH APR 1809 AUSTRIAN TROOPS CROSSED THE
INN,  CAUSING KING  MAXIMILLIAN TO LEAVE MUNICH FOR DILLINGEN.
THE  MINISTER  FOR HOME  AFFAIRS,  MONTEGELAS  TRAVELLED  WITH
MAXIMILLIAN.   AFTER   JELLACHICH  THE  AUSTRIAN  GENERAL  HAD
OCCUPIED  MUNICH,  NAPOLEON RECEIVED NEWS OF THE  DISASTER  BY
CHAPPES  MECHANICAL  TELEGRAPH AND LEFT PARIS FOR  BAVARIA  IN
TIME TO LIBERATE MUNICH AND RESTORE MAXIMILLIAN ON 22ND APRIL.
THIS  MEANS  OF RAPID COMMUNICATION IMPRESSED  ALL  CONCERNED,
ESPECIALLY  MONTEGELAS,  WHO WITNESSED THE ASTONISHMENT CAUSED
BY NAPOLEON'S ARRIVAL IN BAVARIA.  MONTEGELAS WAS A FRIEND  OF
SOMMERING  AND  DINED  WITH HIM ON 5 JULY 1809.  AN  ENTRY  IN
SOMMERING'S DIARY RECORDS THAT THE MINISTER 'WISHED TO RECEIVE
PROPOSALS FOR A TELEGRAPH'.

SOMMERING DEVELOPED WHAT WOULD NOW BE CALLED  A PILOT PROGRAM.
IT  WAS  A  SMALL  SCALE  INVESTIGATION  TO  DEMONSTRATE   THE
PRACTIBILITY  OF THE PRINCIPLES HE PROPOSED TO APPLY.  BRIEFLY
HIS  TELEGRAPH SYSTEM CONSISTED OF A NUMBER OF  WIRES  COVERED
WITH  SEALING WAX FOR INSULATION,  TERMINATED IN METALS  RODS.
THESE  RODS  WERE  INSERTED  INTO THE  BOTTOM  OF  TRANSPARENT
CONTAINERS THAT CONTAINED SLIGHTLY ACIDULATED WATER.  THIS WAS
THE END OF THE LINE AT WHICH THE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED.  AT THE
TRANSMITTING END,  ANY TWO OF THE COMMUNICATING WIRES COULD BE
CONNECTED TO A VOLTAIC PILE MADE UP OF FIFTEEN PAIRS OF  DISCS
(SEE  LAST WEEKS CAST).  WHEN THE CURRENT FLOWED GASES BUBBLED
UP IN THE REQUIRED CONTAINER AT THE RECEIVING END OF THE LINE.

THIS PROTOTYPE  MODEL OF HIS  TELEGRAPH USED FIVE  WIRES WHICH
TRANSMITTED COMBINATIONS OF THE LETTERS A,  B,  C, D AND E. IT
WAS SO SUCCESSFUL THAT HE  STARTED WORK ON HIS MAIN APPARATUS.
HIS DIARY FOR  AUGUST  6TH  SAYS ' I HAVE  TRIED  THE ENTIRELY
FINISHED APPARATUS WHICH COMPLETELY ANSWER MY EXPECTATIONS. IT
WORKS  QUICKLY  THROUGH WIRES OF 362  PRUSSIAN  FEET'  (BEFORE
ANYONE ASKS I DO NOT KNOW THE LENGTH OF A PRUSSIAN FOOT).

THE  NUMBER  OF  WIRES HAD INCREASED TO THIRTY FIVE  AND  WERE
TERMINATED IN GOLD POINTS TO AVOID CORROSION. THERE WAS ALSO A
BUILT IN ALARM TO ADVISE THE RECEIVING OPERATOR OF AN INCOMING
MESSAGE.

SOMMERINGS   TELEGRAPH  ATTRACTED  MUCH  ATTENTION   WITH   AN
IMPRESSIVE LIST OF ARISTOCRACY WHO HONOURED HIM WITH VISITS TO
EXAMINE  HIS  INVENTION.  THE  MOST  IMPORTANT  OF  THESE  WAS
SCHILLING,  A  MEMBER  OF THE RUSSIAN MISSION  TO  BAVARIA.  A
PERIOD  OF  COLLABORATION AND A LIFE-LONG  FRIENDSHIP  OCCURED
THAT SURVIVED THE POLITICAL UPSETS BETWEEN THEIR COUNTRIES.

ONE  OF  THE  IMPORTANT EXPERIMENTS CARRIED OUT  BY  THE  PAIR
SHOULD  BE  MENTIONED.  ON THE 5TH JUNE  1811,  AT  SCHILLINGS
SUGGESTION  THE CONNECTING WIRES OF THE SYSTEM WERE BROKEN AND
THE ENDS DIPPED INTO WATER. THE SYSTEM STILL WORKED, A TRIBUTE
TO THE SENSITIVITY OF THE 'GAS BUBBLE'  INDICATOR.  PRESUMABLY
ONE OF THE WIRES WAS LEFT INTACT.
A  FEW  DAYS  LATER COMMUNICATIONS WAS CARRIED OUT  ALONG  THE
RIVER ISAR USING THE THE RIVER AS THE RETURN,  OR, EARTH WIRE,
THUS ALLOWING OTHER EXPERIMENTERS TO DO THE  SAME,  ESPECIALLY
LATER  WITH  TRAMS  WHERE THE RAILS WHERE USED AS  THE  RETURN
WIRE.   ALTHOUGH A SUCCESSFUL TELEGRAPH,  SOMMERINGS INVENTION
GAVE  WAY  TO THE MORE SUCCESSFUL  ELECTRO-MAGNETIC  TELEGRAPH
WHICH WE SHALL KEEP FOR ANOTHER TIME.

FOR NOW 73S DE COL.

                   ----------------------------

             WEEKLY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT

                 (27 SEPTEMBER - 03 OCTOBER)

ISSUED ON 04 OCTOBER 1996

SUMMARY
Date     27    28    29    30    01    02    03
10cm     70    71    70    70    70    70    70
A        18    19     8     5     3    13 ( 10 estimated)
T       -11     7     1     3     1    10    -1

SOLAR  ACTIVITY  WAS  VERY LOW ALL WEEK.

THE  GEOMAGNETIC  FIELD AT LEARMONTH W.A.  WAS QUIET  0N  30TH
SEPTEMBER;  QUIET  TO UNSETTLED 27TH AND 29TH, AND 1ST TO  2ND
OCTOBER; UNSETTLED TO ACTIVE ON 3RD OCTOBER.

MAXIMUM  USABLE FREQUENCIES AT SYDNEY WERE DEPRESSED 15 TO  30
PER  CENT OM 27TH SEPTEMBER AND 3RD OCTOBER;  OTHERWISE,  NEAR
PREDICTED  MONTHLY  VALUES.

            FORECAST (04 OCOTBER - 10 OCTOBER)

SOLAR:  VERY LOW

GEOMAGNETIC:    EXPECTING  UNSETTLED  CONDITIONS,  BUT  ACTIVE
                CONDITIONS  ARE  POSSIBLE 7 TO 10  OCTOBER  IF
                CORONAL ACTIVITY INCREASES.

FREQUENCIES:    NEAR  TO  10 PER CENT BELOW PREDICTED  MONTHLY
                VALUES.

COURTESY OF IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES


          -----------------------------------------


VK2SG RTTY DX NOTES FOR WEEKENDING 27 SEPT 96 (BID RTDX0927)

Our  information this week came from:  DJ3IW and the  Central-
Europe  DX Cluster node DB0SPC,  I5FLN and the  IK5PWJ  Packet
Cluster,  OH2BUA,  ON6RO,  W2JGR  and the NJ0M node the  Twin-
Cities  DX Packet Cluster W3FTG and W5KSI.  Thank you all  for
your assistance.

Bandpass
Friday 20
1253-14085  TA2IO
1306-14085  9K2HN
1653-14085  4X6ZK
1749-14082  J53KX
1804-14086  XT2DP
1806-14083  OY4TN
1933-14086  Z37CEF
1943-14088  EA9JZ
2055-14088  5H3LM
2121-14085  4X6UO
2245-14084  5X1T

Saturday 21
0039-14082  FO5OP QSL POB 887, Raiatea, Fr. Polynesia
0554-14084  9K2HN
0936-14083  TP1OCE  Eu. Council Strasburg
1103-14085  5B4/SM0TGG
1104-14083  UN5PR
1124-14086  9K2HN
1254-14082  5R8EN
1257-14085  4S7NR
1306-14084  5R8EN
1310-14089  FT5WE
1400-14083  HK3SGP
1410-14088  UR5MID
1524-14088  5R8EN
1525-14086  V85GA
1730-14083  SV5DDR
1739-14080  EA9MY
1742-14090  SV2CXJ
1900-14086  HK3SGP
1907-14083  VO1HP
1939-14082  SV1BDO/7
1949-14088  CP1PY
1958-14091  UT0ZZ
2140-14089  YV5KAJ
2023-14082  9G1UW
2335-14086  LU8EKC

Sunday 22
0136-14084  ZP6CC
0802-14083  UN5PR
0838-14084  TA2IO
0857-14083  LY1DC
0918-14082  UA9TK
0955-14085  9K2HN
1004-14082  3A2JO
1037-14083  JT1FBB
1228-14086  EA9MY
1320-14083  UA9GAC
1321-14085  UN5PR
1543-14088  LZ1KIM
1544-14085  4X6UO
1641-14082  CN1AB
1744-14082  ZS6EZ Inverted
1903-14088  3DA0CA
1934-14083  LU6BEG
1944-14086  5X1T
2022-14089  GI0RDM
2024-14080  ZP6CC
2044-14085  HK3SGP
2048-14084  ON4UN
2048-14080  LU8EKC
2051-14084  ON4UN
2107-14084  ZP6CC

Monday 23
0317- 7083  VR6MW
0719-14089  VK3AMK
1107-14085  5B4/SM0TGG
1539-14083  4S7NR
1547-14088  V85GA
1805-14086  XT2DP
2050-14081  VE2ADL
2120-14086  HK5CKD
2232-14084  FG5GI
2236-14082  LU8EKC

Tuesday 24
0659-14087  5B4/SM0TGG
1430-14086  VK3AMK
1730-14088  CN1AB

Wednesday 25
1337-14083  VK3AMK
0654-14086  VK3AMK
2102-14084  J79QA
2217-14086  CU1AC
2219-14083  FG5FI

Thursday 26
1230-14081  EU1AZ
1235-14087  GI4SNC
1235-14087  GI3KVD
1535-14085  ES7FQ
1540-14082  JJ3SRU/6Y5
1555-21083  LW2FDM
1557-14086  EG7NTH
1611-14084  JJ3SRU/6Y5
1627-14088  Z31GX
1630-14087  9A1BHI
1632-14088  Z32GBC
1725-14081  EK6OCM
1711-14083  DU1AN
1725-14081  EK6OCM
1940-14083  9A1BHI
2009-14083  9A1BHI

NOTES OF INTEREST:

ANGOLA,  D2. Alex, PA3DZN plans to be active early October for
at least 6 months or more. Look for him on RTTY.

CONFUSION,  KH7.  KH6BZF,  Lee  reminds  us that the  FCC  has
started  to  issue  KH7 calls to Hawaii.  These are  not  Kure
Island.

MYANMAR,  XZ. KF7AY, Warren Hill has announced that XZ1AN will
be  active  16-25 November.  Warren states that  the  door  to
amateur  radio  has  been re-opened.  The Central  Arizona  DX
Association  will be an all mode,  CW/SSB and RTTY  operation.

Those  participating  from the New World Inya Hotel  near  the
city or Yangon are,  AB6ZV, AA7WP, JA1BK, K5VT, KC5AYR, KF7AY,
N6BT, WA6CDR, N7NG, N7WTU, NZ7E, OH2BH, WA7LNW and WY7K. Three
Yeasu FT-1000MP's, Alpha amplifiers, mono band yagis and other
special low band antennas will be used.  This intense activity
from this rare location, will make a great opportunity for all
to work XZ. More to follow as we approach.

SILENT KEY, W0HAH. We mourn the loss of beloved RTTY DXer, Bob
Stanek, W0HAH who became a silent key 16 September 1996 at the
age of 72.

The VK2SG RTTY DX NOTES are also available on the Internet  at
reflector <digital-dx(AT)st.rim.or.jp>. Check also the OH2BUA
Webcluster at URL <http://www.clinet.fi/jukka/webcluster.html>.

For next week's bulletin send your bandpass to
Jules, W2JGR at W5KSI.HASHSIGNNOLA.LA.USA.NA

REMEMBER, DX DON'T SLEEP.
GL DE BOB, WB2CJL at W5KSI.HASHSIGNNOLA.LA.USA.NA

                   -------------------------

ARLD044 DX news

This week's bulletin was made possible with info provided by
Tedd,  KB8NW,  The OPDX Bulletin,  Chris,  G4BUE,  The DX News
Sheet,   Charles,  S92SS,  the  Yankee  Clipper  Contest  Club
PacketCluster network and Contest Corral from QST.   Thanks to
all.

SPRATLY ISLANDS,  1S.   Jaan,  9M2JJ,  has obtained permission
from  the Malaysian authorities to operate from Pulau  Layang,
but  with a 9M6 call sign instead of the traditional 9M0  call
sign.   Jaan  has filed another application,  referencing  the
previous 9M0A and 9M0S operations and is awaiting a reply.

UGANDA,  5X.   Peter,  ON6TT/5X1T, reports Gus, 5X1D, has been
active on 160 meters on 1823 kHz between 0230z and 0330z.

MOROCCO, CN.  Andy, DL2GGA, will be here October 15 to 24, and
plans  to be active from the club station CN8MC,  but probably
using his own CN call sign which has not been issued yet.   He
will  try  to be active on all HF bands,  CW  only.   QSL  via
DL2GGA bureau is preferred, but urgent requests via 95/96 CBA.

SYRIA,  YK.   Look  for YK1B from September 28 to  October  7.
Details  on this operation are very slim,  but it was reported
that this group will put an emphasis on 160 meters.   QSL  via
DL8HCZ.

SAO  TOME  AND PRINCIPE,  S9.   Charles,  S92SS,  has  resumed
operations on 160 meters on Friday and Saturday evenings  when
possible,  between 2230 and 0300 UTC.  He will be active until
June 1997.

                    --------------------------

The Ohio/Penn Dx PacketCluster
DX Bulletin No. 271

Thanks  to the Northern Ohio Amateur Radio  Society,  Northern
Ohio  DX Association,  Ohio/Penn PacketCluster Network,  AD1C,
K2YJL,  KA2AEV,  N3ADL,  KJ4VH,  W5IJU & Island  News,  KF7AY,
W8KKF,  W9JOO,  CT1EEB,  DL2GGA,  DJ8WL,  G4BUE  & the DX News
Sheet, IK1DPA, ON6TT and VE2ZP/VE9CB following DX information.

C6,  BAHAMAS.  John, K3TEJ, and Ed, WA3WSJ, plan to operate in
the CQWW CW contest (November 23-24th) from Abaco Island (IOTA
NA-80). QSL via K3TEJ.

KC6,  BELAU.   The "Island News" reports Paul,  LX2AA, will be
active  in  the  CQWW SSB Contest as  KC6GB  (or  T82AA),  and
possibly  just  as T88A from Helen Reef in  Palau's  southwest
islands (possibly a new IOTA reference). QSL via CBA.

                    -----------------------------

COMING EVENTS
-------------

OCTOBER                19TH-20TH       JARTS WW RTTY

            ------------------------------------------

LATE NEWS FLASH
---------------

THE WORLD WIDE  PLACINGS AND  COUNTRY/STATE PLACINGS  FOR THE
AMARTS WW RTTY CONTEST WILL APPEAR IN NEXT WEEKS CAST.  WATCH
THIS SPACE....

Society information

The Society may be contacted at :  PO Box 860, Crows Nest 2065
Australia,   for   such  matters  as  membership  and  general
enquiries.  Enquiries  can  also  be made  by  packet  to  the
President (Col) VK2CTD at VKWI2, or the Secretary (Pat) VK2JPA
at VK2WI.

Email address for the Broadcast Officer is :

       patl(at)pitt.conmusic.su.oz.au
or     patl(at)extro.ucc.su.oz.au

The  Society welcomes news items on any digital subjects  from
anywhere in the broadcast coverage area.  We are looking  for-
ward  to news from your areas to let other  amateurs know what
you are doing in the hobby. Hope to hear from you.

73s de Pat VK2JPA Broadcast Officer

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:39 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: ARLP041 Propagation de KT7H
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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP041
ARLP041 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP61
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 41  ARLP041
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  October 4, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP041
ARLP041 Propagation de KT7H

We just completed a second full week of no visible sunspots.
Average solar flux was about the same as the previous week, and was
below the average for the past 90 day average, which is 71.  It
looks like conditions related to the next cycle are not about to
turn up yet.

Over the month of October solar flux is expected to hover around 70
or below, as solar activity continues to stay very low.  The
geomagnetic field is expected to become unsettled to active due to
recurring coronal holes from October 7-9, 17-20 and 23-25.

Sunspot Numbers for September 26 through October 2 were 0, 0, 0, 0,
0, 0 and 0, with a mean of 0.  10.7 cm flux was 70, 69.8, 71, 70.1,
69.5, 69.5 and 69.7, with a mean of 69.9.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John B. Bunch)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Bearcat 50XL
Followup-To: poster
Date: 10 Oct 1996 21:20:06 -0600
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I have come into possession of a Bearcat 50xl scanner, but have absolutely
no clue as to how to program it?  I am not even sure if it works?  I would
really appreciate it if anyone out there could give me some clues on how
to use/program it.  I  purchased it used from someone who no longer had
the instruction manual.  Also what freq's can it scan?

I dont subscribe to this group so please email all replies.  Thanx.

John

--
John B Bunch              AT&T   I don't want the world, I just want your
5694 Jockey St.          UnixPC           half....     -TMBG
Galway, NY 12074        Sun 3/50        [e-mail]
[phone]           KB2SIV          [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:42 1996
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References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:41:15 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Richard E. Depew)
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Large binary posts do not belong in unmoderated discussion groups.

I run a program that searches for, and issues advisory cancels for,
large binaries in the akr, biz, comp, misc, news, rec, and sci
hierarchies.

I have issued 15 cancels for large binary files (average size 350,363
characters - total size 5,255,451 characters) posted to 7 different
unmoderated discussion groups in the comp, misc, and rec hierarchies
(with cross-posts into TEN, alt, aus, de, finet, fr, uk, and za groups)
as follows:
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The cancels in non-targeted groups are a consequence of the way
cross-posts work.  A cross-posted article has only one Message-ID.
When it is canceled from one group it is canceled from all groups.

This pointer is being posted to each affected group listed above,
with the exception of test groups.  Follow-ups are directed to
news.admin.net-abuse.misc.

If you want to see exactly which file was deleted from a particular
group, read the full report in news.admin.net-abuse.announce.  The
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Look for AR642 in the subject, or, if your reader supports it, use
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The criteria used to search for this batch of large binaries were:
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               (except for comp.binaries.apple2, comp.bugs.2bsd,
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If you must post a binary to Usenet, please post it *only* to an
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crosspost it to non-binaries groups.  Then, if you like, post something
in the appropriate discussion group telling people where to find the
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permit news administrators and users to decide for themselves whether
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For more information about binary cancels, see the bincancel FAQ,
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Please direct public feedback to news.admin.net-abuse.misc and private
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Best wishes,
Dick
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Richard E. Depew, Munroe Falls, OH    [e-mail] (home)
It's over, and can't be helped, and that's one consolation, as they
  always say in Turkey, when they cut the wrong man's head off''
  -- Charles Dickens, _The Pickwick Papers_


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Boatanchors Newsgroup voting
Date: 6 Oct 1996 14:21:24 GMT
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Richard E Stealey ([e-mail]) wrote:
The last day to vote is Monday Oct 7th.

Heres how to vote FOR the new newsgroup -


: Vote by sending email to [e-mail]
: And put this is the body of your message (If you are voting affirmatively)

:       I vote YES on rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors



Rick    KT2Q


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
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Subject: Re: Callsign Patterns
Date: 8 Oct 1996 05:49:49 GMT
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Hans Brakob ([e-mail]) wrote:
: For example, a lot of club stations at universities have calls in
: the pattern "W#Y$" (1x2, W prefix, with "Y" as the first letter in
: the suffix).  There are a lot of those still around and I can
: remember many more in the past which probably are expired. Examples
: are W1YA, W1YU, W0YC.

A "lot?"  Possibly... I think it may just be coincidence, the
University of Michigan is W8UM.

: By the way, my friend W0CRO is disappointed that he cannot
: retrieve his original call in the vanity program.  It was
: 9CWN.  (No, not W9CWN, not K9CWN, not N9CWN, just plain 9CWN!)

You learn something new every day, I thought all those original calls
were #xx, like my old friend 8HI.

: 73, de Hans, K0HB (Whose original call KG6AQI will soon be
: recycled!)

Hans!  Is that a typo?  It must be, how'd you get a 1x2 with a "new"
call like a KG6?  Or was that GAUM or some place like that?  :-)

73 =paul= wb8zjl <-- watch this space!



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:45 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jonathan Clough)
Subject: Re: CFS & CFJ Murata ceramic filters
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]  writ
es:


Joe,

> Does anyone know of a supplier of the full range of CFS or CFJ Murata
> filters, preferably in the UK? I know Cirkit sell them, but their
> range is limited; the narrowest one they sell is 1 khz, while I am
> looking for 300hz or 500hz. I would also like to find a supplier of

Murata in the UK are in Fleet. Phone number is 01252 811666 but unless you
want to open an account with a turnover of several K you won't get
very far :-(

There are several distributors who you could try. Eurodis/HB Electronics
(01204 555000) being one in Bolton although Murata should be able to point to
more local
ones (if your not in the NW !)

If you know the specific filter you are after Murata should be able to
tell you which distributors have or have had that particular item. If Murata
or a distributor have no stock you will probably be stuck with minimum order
via a distributor for a few hundred pieces.

> Collins mechanical filters and Hy Q  or similar crystal filters.
> Again, I know these are sold by manufacturers such as AOR or Kiwa, but
> they seem to rather more expensive than they should be, as they are
> sold as spares or accessories for their products.

Even if you do find distributors with stock they may well be rather more
commercial that you wish and have minimun order value or qty in which case
getting the single units from AOR and the like can be your best bet.


Good luck with your projects.

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:46 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: CW Forever
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Yea I was forced to learn CW to get my license just like
most of you.  I have come to really like using CW with
low power and little or no interference on the HF bands.
Listenting for my call in the noise after calling CQ is
what I live for.  So for me, Long Live CW...  WB8BCO


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:47 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Dealing with contest pigs (hams).
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 06:31:08 -0400
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Gary Schwartz wrote:
>
> All three of the WARC bands are contest free.  With only a few exceptions,


If you like the WARC bands so damn much put the contest pigs there
because there is hardly anyone else there.


> FINALLY, there are no contests left that occupy more than a 48 hour
> period.  Even if there were a major contest EVERY WEEKEND, for 48 hours,
> that would only be 104 days ( 52 weekends X 2 days/weekend ) out of 365
> days in a year or ONLY 28 %.  This is assuming that you operate 48 hours
> continuously every weekend.  I don't think you have much to WHINE about.

Most people have weekends off so putting contests there deprives MOST
real people
of the decent ham frequencies. Since there is so much time available put
the contests on between 12 mid to 6 AM Monday-Friday.

So in actuality the contest pig eats most of the PRIME time.

                  .-.
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     )  (                \   /         `-'                     `-'
    /    \                `-'
    \    /
     \/ /     <----- Hams this is a female
     ( <
      \ |


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Howard Watson)
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Subject: Re: Dealing with contest pigs (hams).
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 03:45:24 GMT
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>If you like the WARC bands so damn much put the contest pigs there
>because there is hardly anyone else there.


>> FINALLY, there are no contests left that occupy more than a 48 hour
>> period.  Even if there were a major contest EVERY WEEKEND, for 48 hours,
>> that would only be 104 days ( 52 weekends X 2 days/weekend ) out of 365
>> days in a year or ONLY 28 %.  This is assuming that you operate 48 hours
>> continuously every weekend.  I don't think you have much to WHINE about.

>Most people have weekends off so putting contests there deprives MOST
>real people
>of the decent ham frequencies. Since there is so much time available put
>the contests on between 12 mid to 6 AM Monday-Friday.

>So in actuality the contest pig eats most of the PRIME time.

This is one area in which I would agree with Burt.  At the very least,
restrict each contest to ONE band each contest.
Howard B. Watson Jr. - N3TNQ - [e-mail] - Springfield, OH



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:49 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Dealing with pigs (hams).
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 07:36:15 -0400
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Recently the ARRL New England Convention and the huge Rocherster, N.H.
flea market were placed on the same exact date. That gave me an idea.
Lets us have all the contests on the same weekend. Sort of the New
Jersey principle, all the garbage in ONE place.

Burt


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
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Subject: Re: Dealing with pigs (hams).
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Kevin Potter ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is there a contest-free weekend anytime during the year?

I don't think so.  But there are WARC bands.

73 =paul= wb8zjl
ZZ



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:51 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Digital VS. CW Testing
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 21:25:21 -0800
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Jim Kehler wrote:
>
> [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:
>
> >Right ... by your own admission, later in your post (quoted below)
> >*your* test was rigged so that you "could easily win" ...
>
> Out of context, out of mind ? Don't forget I also said Gary 'could win
> easily' as his test was also 'rigged'.
>
> >>You obviously agree that I can make 500 contacts on CW much faster than
> >>you can make 500 contacts on Pactor or Clover.
>
> >I'm not sure you'd win this one in a monitored, judged environment Jim.
>
> I'm not sure you've ever been on HF when you make statements like that.
> But anyway, Gary and I are having a nice discussion, so let's not turn it
> into an argument.


Fellows, I think both modes have their strengths and weaknesses.
Under very difficult conditions, noise, QRM, etc it is likely that
CW will get thru better than digital modes.  In normal conditions,
the digital will outstrip the CW for speed.

As for tuning, and getting set up, if you can hear the CW, you can
copy it.  Tuning the signal in is much more critical on digital
modes.

And for digital modes you need a lot more equipment than just the
radio.  Computer, keyboard, monitor, etc.  And computers do radiate
a bunch of hash and noise.

Each mode has its time and place.  And for Amateur radio purposes,
what counts is not throughput, but what the particular ham enjoys.

In favor of digital I will say that the time has finally arrived that
it is reliable enough, etc., that commercial services have adopted
it in lieu of CW.  But they are channelized services, with 10 hZ
tolerance, and that is definetely not amateur radio.

Ramon AL7X


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Claudette Sutcliffe)
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Subject: Ear Talkers - Where and Which (for my GP300s)
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I was wondering are there different makes of Ear Talkers - and if so
which ones are the best? Also where can I get them from  (UK) and I
was told that some perform poorly with my Motorola GP300s?

Cheers,

Claudette.

PS      Copy your post to my email, as my news receiption is not very
reliable.



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From: [e-mail] (Dragan Stojanovic)
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Subject: ET3YU - NEW QSL ROUTE
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Hi for all.

As I finished my mission in Ethiopia the QSL route in Addis Ababa
isn't in use any more.

The new route is:

Dragan Stojanovic
Dusana Vukasovica 82/20
11070 Novi Beograd
YUGOSLAVIA

Till now I have exchanged about 4.000 QSL's out of 14.000 QSO's.

73's

Dragan - ET3YU




                          Dragan Stojanovic <> [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Duff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Far Ccts. list ??
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:31:59 GMT
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A while back I saw mention of a Web site that keeps a current list of
circuit boards available from Far Circuits.
I'd appreciate any guidance to such.

Thanks, Hugh VA3TO



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
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Subject: Re: FCC Issuing Vanity Calls?
Date: 8 Oct 1996 05:57:46 GMT
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Pete ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Was looking through latest FCC licensing activity and see a number of
: previously available call signs have been assigned. One in particular
: W5DX, leads me to believe that the issuing process has begun.  Anybody
: have any info?  Good Luck!  Pete - KF2WI (for now?)

Yes.  On our planet, the FCC has been issuing "vanity" calls for several
months.  They just opened a GATE 2 on September 23rd for Extra-class
hams.  The first gate was for people to receive previously issued calls,
and for folks that somehow could claim a bloodline to a deceased or
expired ham callsign.

Sorry, Pete... couldn't resist :-)

On a serious note, the tongues are wagging and calling for an
"investigation" on some of these recent gate 1 "snaches."  NOT ME, of
course :-)  I haven't seen any of MY personal choices get taken yet :-)

73! es GL, =paul= wb8zjl <--- watch this space!



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:55 1996
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From: Cassandra <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC Issuing Vanity Calls?
Date: 10 Oct 1996 04:36:05 GMT
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[e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold") wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Pete" writes:
>
>> Was looking through latest FCC licensing activity and see a number of
>> previously available call signs have been assigned. One in particular
>> W5DX, leads me to believe that the issuing process has begun.  Anybody
>> have any info?
>
>Yes the issuing process has begusn. but not yet for Gate 2.  W5DX was
>re-issued prior to Sept 23 under an earlier gate.


If you have questions, try the FCC web site.  If you can't find the
answers to your questions there, I suggest that you e-mail Dorothy Conway
at the FCC ([e-mail]).  She answered all of my questions many
months ago as to what and how though the when was delayed for an
eternity.  I received my former call and the response time was
approximatly 10 days.  Excellent by most government standards.

Cassandra  WD8DPO again!



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:56 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: for Gary
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>   [e-mail] (Frank Sved) writes:
>
>  Carl Stevenson ([e-mail]) writes:
>  > In <531102$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fran
k Sved) writes:

>  > This is the 1990s, NOT the 1930s ...  as I've asked before "Hello?  Is
>  > anybody home?  Wake up?!?"
>  >
>  >
>  > Carl - wa6vse
>  > [e-mail]
>  >
>  >
>  Thanks for your insight carlo.  But instead of deciding what "kind" of
>  questions people should ask, why don't you listen?  It's people like you
>  on the ham bands who scan around, listen for 1/2 sec, and then butt in
>  with some insolence and then wooooof off they go.  You are like a zit.
>
    Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]
>

Frank, for your information, Carl Tech+ for 20 years and darned
proud of his inability to upgrade (20 wpm in his head, electronic
theory balancing on the point of it) does not get on the air!!
Heaven forbid...if he did, he'd be in violation of the law.

So to quote Carl  "cut the crap and stop with the FUD'S!!!"

this is soooo great!!!

steve

5wpm is know code


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gene McAvoy)
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:57 1996
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From: Nona Benecke <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FS ICOM 781 HF RIG
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 02:47:16 -0500
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I have for sale a IC-781 with the SP20 external speaker w/filters and
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Thats a savings of almost over 4k$$+ if everything was to be bought at
new cost. serious enquiries pse e-mail me for further details. This rig
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rod Logsdon)
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Subject: FS: Radio Shack HTX-202
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 06:17:00 GMT
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HTX-202, Nicad Pack, Alkaline holder, cigarette lighter adapter, wall
charger, spkr/mic. 5 year extended warranty good thru June, 2000.

$180.00 shipped lower 48.

Rod Logsdon WK9T ..... [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:56:59 1996
From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)
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JOHN MITCHELL asked:

JM> Happened to spot an apparent Gate two call N6DW in Thursday's
JM> run. Issued on 10/8 to an individual with first and last
JM> initials DW. Now this could be a relative's or previously-held
JM> call, I suppose, but wonder if this is one of early Gate two
JM> issues?

False alarm, John.  That transaction was not a "vanity" action
but just a renewal.

73, de Hans, K0HB






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From: [e-mail] (John Mitchell)
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Subject: Re: Gate Two: It happened again
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In article <53jnuf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Happened to spot an apparent Gate two call N6DW in Thursday's run.
>Issued on 10/8 to an individual with first and last initials DW. Now
this
>could be a relative's or previously-held call, I suppose, but wonder if
>this is one of early Gate two issues?
>

Well, just checked out yesterdays FCC dump on QRZ, and there's another
one: N8JW, issued on 10/9 to individual with those initials.  Is it
likely that this is a relative, or previously held call?  Doesn't seem so
to me.  First, N#xx calls were first issued in the seventies, so no one
has held them for a really long time, or would seem likely to dump them
for the 2X1 and 2X2 extra calls that followed.  Second, there is no Jr.,
III, etc., after the name, so it seems unlikely that these individuals
are sons with same name as father.

So what is going on here?  On the one hand, we have official bulletins
saying this process will take weeks.  On the other, there seem to be a
few calls slipping through.  I'm still hoping this is the trickle before
the dam breaks, and all calls are issued, but wonder if FCC is following
their own stated procedure closely enough.



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis P. Stephens Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: General to Advanced.. re-take code test?
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In article <530uhm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

>I'm a tech-plus and have just passed my 13 word-per-minute code
>test. I know that the certificate of completion for the 13 wpm code
>test is good for one year. Assuming I pass the general class
>written exam within a year, is there some time limit for taking
>and passing the advanced class exam? For instance, suppose I
>take and pass the advanced class exam five years later. Will I
>have to retake the 13 wpm code test?
>
>- Gary     KB0QGE

Your safe as long as you get that General written out of thew way within
the year. You won't need to need to retake the 13 word per code test to
upgrade to the Advanced. There is a problem when you get that advanced
ticket though. You will start to covet that little bit of space that the
extras have, and the bragging right that follow. Then you'll see that 20
wpm barrier in your way and code when then become an obsession in your life
again.
My advice would be to continue with the code now, even if you have no use
for it, just to get to the extra as quickly as possible. It will be harder
to do later. You are a roll now. Congrats on the 13 wpm. Take the written
as soon as possible. You find that HF is great. As nice as VHF can be, your
first contact with a ham in some obscure part of the world is a kick you
will remeber the rest of your life.

Lewis

--
Lewis P. Stephens Jr.               KM5BH (Amateur Radio Callsign)
Amber, Inc.                         CLARC (Clear Lake Amateur Radio Club)
[e-mail]                   NAMU (NASA Area Macintosh Users)
[e-mail]
73404.1403.compuserve.com


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:02 1996
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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: General to Advanced.. re-take code test?
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:03:45 -0700
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Aaron Morrison wrote:
> Err, unlike Christians who have everlasting salvation, _all_ test
> credits are given in the form of Certificates of Successfull Examination,
> better known as a CSCE.  CSCE's are valid for 365 days,...

Hi Aaron, that's true but the question didn't involve CSCEs. The question
was: If one goes for an advanced class license 5 years after obtaining a
general class *license*, does one have to retake the 13wpm test? The answer
to the question is: No, as long as one doesn't let the general license expire,

the 13wpm credit associated with the general class license is everlasting.

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:03 1996
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From: Keith Stevenson GI0SSA <[e-mail]>
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Subject: GI Radio Club WEB Page (Island Hunters have a look)
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 13:47:25 +0000
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The page is at http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/7260/
I`d like to hear any comments - good or bad about it!

Note that this isn`t really a conventional page/club.

The article on our SSB Field day experiences might be of interest to
some!!

We also have some pictures from GI0SSA/p & GI0VGV/p on Mew Island
(eu122)
Also included is a short desc of our trip to Rathlin Island (Also eu122)
to operate GB2MRI (Marconi Rathlin Island).

Happy browsing,

Keith.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul)
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Subject: Re: Goodbye.
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 05:39:24 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   Dan K Nelson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Ken Bessler wrote:
>> >
>> > (please excuse anty spelling mistakes due to h9gh dosages
if pain killers ad
>> > severe visdion pr4oblems)
>> >
>> > I have4 had several hobnbies im my 32 years and one of
them was Amateur
>> > radio. On monhdaY September 30th, I was critically
injured when falling some
>> > 1-1/2 stories while trying to adjust the guy line on my
Cushcrafh HF
>> > verticall. I just got out of the hospitall today. I have
to go back in opn
>> > monday to get my face ro constructed. I have lost the use
of my lweft eye
>> > because I managed to land head first on a cinder block.
The damage was quite
>> > bad, including some peralisis <sp> of the left side of my
bnody. My nose id
>> > GONE. My kids (4) are scared of me now! is this hobby
worth it? no.
>> >
>> > To hell with this hobby - it's not worth a LIFE.
>> >
>> >                         Ken bessler KG0WX, GTO268,
"metro"
>> >                         Erica Besler KB0PWD, GTO269,
"teaser"
>
>Whatever happened to that novel idea of Personal
Responsibility? Although I am truly
>sorry for your misfortune, I have found that in my life, I
have always been either
>directly or indirectly responsible for each of my
"accidents"... Every person plots
>his/her own course in life...
>
>Should we ban cars because of drunks? How about matches
because of fires, or pools
>because of drownings? I think not.
>
><<< DAN >>>

Thank you Dan, I could not have said it better. Again, I am
truly sorry for the pain and suffering of this individual. I
hope this individual makes a speedy recovery and reconsiders
the decision to leave the art of Ham Radio, it is the best
hobby I have ever had!

Paul Freidberg, R.N.
KF4LNN


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (R. Wiley)
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Subject: Hamfest in the Amanas
Date: 7 Oct 96 01:42:10 GMT
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.

CVARC has announced that Summerfest 97 will be held
in the Amana Outdoor Convention Center at Amana Ia.
Date is Aug. 3, 97.

For those whose significant others have no interest in
radio, the Amana Colonies have wineries, restaraunts,
craft and gift shops, a furniture factory, and woolen
mill, and at nearby Williamsburg, an outlet mall

Contact is;

Wayne Hughes
WA0TGH
Box 408
Shellsgurg Ia. 52332


NE0R


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From: "Jason Clarke" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Hamilton A.R.C.  Hamfest
Date: 7 Oct 1996 12:20:38 GMT
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Hello one and all...  I have some info on a Hamfest Located in Hamilton,
Ontario....

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

The Hamilton Amateur Radio Club Inc.
Presents
HAMFEST `96
An Amateur, Computer, & Electronic Show

When:           Saturday October 12, 1996

Where:  Ancaster Merrit Hall (Ancaster Fair Grounds)
                  On #53 Hwy btwn Southcote Rd. & Kittymurry Lane

How Much:       General Admission is $6.00 /Canadian
                        $6.00 includes 1 Grand Prize Ticket

Time:           Doors Open to Vendors @ 7:00 am
                Doors Open to Public @ 9:00 am

Talk In:        VE3NCF - 146.760 (-600kHz) (Optional PL - 131.8)

Parking:        Lots, and LOTS of FREE FREE FREE Parking...

Come out to the Hamfest that is Judged by all others...  This is the Bigest
Hamfest in the area...  Come One, Come All, to the Most Fun Filled Hamfest
in Town...

Info:           <a href mailto:[e-mail]> Hamilton A.R.C.</a>
                Or
                <a href mailto:[e-mail]> Jeff Smallwood - VE3NVY</a>

                Or Snail Mail:

                Hamilton ARC
                P.O. Box 91215
                Effort Square Postal Outlet
                Hamilton, Ontario
                L8N-4G4

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

73 de VE3ZYD


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Homingin)
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Subject: Hams help hospitals, new Web site
Date: 11 Oct 1996 01:42:53 -0400
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For over 15 years, the 90-plus members of the Hospital Disaster Support
Communications System (HDSCS) of Orange County, California have served
over 35 hospitals in nearly 50 emergency situations.  At the new HDSCS
site on the Web, you can find out how volunteer Amateur Radio operators
can be an important backup communications resource for hospitals, if the
hams are well organized and trained.

There you will find:

--- How HDSCS organizes to support hospitals
--- What "dedicated communicators" are and why they are important
--- Frequently Asked Questions about hams helping hospitals
--- The surprising answer to "How often do hospitals need hams, anyway?"
--- Response from hospitals served by HDSCS
--- Info given to new HDSCS members
--- Recruiting hams for hospital communications
--- And lots more...

URL is http://members.aol.com/emcom4hosp/

73 de Joe K0OV


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From: [e-mail] (Affonso Beato)
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Do you have an email and/or we address for HamWin software people?



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Handheld Dual Bands - who makes the best one?
Date: 11 Oct 1996 03:40:46 GMT
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I'm just now working on my no-code tech license and I'm looking at a dual band

handheld as my first radio.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best
one to go with?

Jeff Hawkins
[e-mail]


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Bill Koppelmann <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>These volunteer communication efforts didn't happen by accident. Amateur Radi
o
>operators are often among the first to respond to emergencies. That's why the

>172,000-member American Radio Relay League (ARRL) annually sponsors the
>Simulated Emergency Test for its members. This year's test takes place the
>weekend of Oct. 12-13.

Avoid coming to Hawaii this weekend if at all possible. We've
scheduled a tsunami to hit the state on the 12th. All of Waikiki
Beach and other areas of the islands will be inundated with a
giant surge of ocean water due to some far off seismic disturbance.
Luckily, it won't happen until 0900 so I'll still be able to get
in my morning swim...

Water temp is still 83.

Jeff KH2PZ


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From: [e-mail] (Donn J. Sachs)
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In article <53hs8e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>       I am interested in knowing of any modifications for this rig...  I
>know of one to unlock the XMT frequency limitations, but am curious to
>
>know if there are any mods to make this nice little rig perform
>better.
>


I'm interested too.
I am making the CAT interface cable so I can use my PC to
run the RIG.
So far I like the RIG, easy to use, got good reports on SSB.

>Thanks, and 73's
>N8DRF
>


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (jerry wang)
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Subject: Help: RFI with TV
Date: 6 Oct 1996 08:54:07 GMT
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I just installed a 2-meter 5/8 wave vertical mag mount antenna on top of
the air conditioner on the roof.  My radio is a Radio Shack HTX 212
mobile used as a base station. Whenever I transmit on any 2 meter
frequency, channel 18 goes out
on all of my tv's. The tv's are hooked up to cable, and not antennas.
My neighbor's who also has cable has channel 18 go out when I transmit as
well.  My minimum transmit power is 10 watts on the HTX 212.
Even at low power, channel 18 goes out with a bunch of snow on the
screen. As soon as I let go of the PTT, it's back to normal.
It only happens on channel 18.  How can I fix this?
Btw, the roof is about 20 feet up.
Any help is appreciated.

jerry - ke6uux
--
Jerry H. Wang
California State University Northridge
School of Engineering and Computer Science
Email: [e-mail]
Web: www.csun.edu/~hbcsc274


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:15 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help: RFI with TV
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 19:22:31 -0800
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Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> In article <537s3f$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (jerry wang) w
rites:
> > Whenever I transmit on any 2 meter
> >frequency, channel 18 goes out
> >on all of my tv's. The tv's are hooked up to cable, and not antennas.
> >My neighbor's who also has cable has channel 18 go out when I transmit as
> >well.

> It sounds like there's a *serious* leak in the cable TV system
> nearby. Sniff around 145.18 MHz and see if you hear anything.
> If you do, it's probably cable signal leaking out. Any time
> cable signal can leak *out*, amateur signals can leak *in*.
>
> Likely causes are illegal cable taps, or a break in the cable
> trunk shielding. Call the cable company. They're required to
> fix this sort of leakage.

Another possibility is that the RFI is getting into a nearby TV set
and backfeeding into the cable.  The cable company is not required
to fix this (although they could pull the service from the person
backfeeding the interference).  But Gary is right, by and large,
one way or the other the cable company *has* to fix it.  This was
the subject of a rulemaking some years ago, and the cable companies
can have heavy fines for failing to accomodate a licensed user.

Otherwise, follow Gary's advice.

Ramon, AL7X   [ To foil SpamBots, my address is not machine readable.
Nome, Alaska  [ Reply to:    rfg.at.nome.dot.net


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai)
Subject: Re: Help: RFI with TV
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:
-In article <537s3f$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (jerry wang) wr
ites:
->Whenever I transmit on any 2 meter frequency, channel 18 goes out
-Well, Jerry, cable ch 18 *is* the 2m band, so filters won't help.
-All you can do is tighten up the cable system so there's no signal
-ingress
-It sounds like there's a *serious* leak in the cable TV system
-nearby. Sniff around 145.18 MHz and see if you hear anything.

You sould also listen to 145.25; that's the video (or is it the audio)
subcarrier freq for channel 18...
/mike
--
\|/      Michael L. Ardai        N1IST       [e-mail]       \|/
-*- ===  Boston Amateur Radio Club:  http://www.barc.org/barc   === -*-
/|\    or send "info barc-list" to [e-mail]     /|\


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:18 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
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Gary Coffman wrote:

> Early amateurs also concentrated on the practical *use* of their
> equipment, with the American Radio *Relay* League formed to convey
> *messages* further than a single amateur could manage to send. Early
> amateur literature is full of exhortations to amateurs to improve the
> speed and accuracy, IE *throughput*, of their stations so as to more
> efficiently serve the purpose of message relay.
>
> The radio pioneers weren't playing a game, they saw *application*
> of radio waves as their direct goal. The game playing didn't come
> until much later, long after the practicality of contact had been
> proved feasible, and had in fact been made a commercial reality
> by others.

<snip>

> From the perspective from which we currently stand, if we look
> backward, we see an increasing reliance on AM, CW, or spark as
> we go further back in time, but if we look forward, we see an
> increasing reliance on SSB, modern digital text methods of a
> number of -TOR sorts, SS, ALE, etc as the techniques of the future.
> In which direction should we prepare, for the past, or for the
> future? Are amateurs to serve as a reservoir of antique technics,
> or are we to be in the forefront of communications technology as
> we were until recent times?
>
> There's fun to be found in either direction, but I know which
> way I want amateur radio to go, and that isn't to yet another
> rehash of past triumphs. Note well that I'm not suggesting that
> we *ban* older methods. I am suggesting that we place an increased
> emphasis on newer technics and less on older methods, both in
> licensing and in our on-air activities. As the twig is bent,
> so grows the tree, and I want our newer operators to be inclined
> toward the future rather than toward the past.

Gary, this was a good post.  I have to comment that entertainment and
"rag chewing" is an important part of ham radio, and always was.
In the 1917 days, the Navy had temporary control of the radio waves,
and they did not want to release them back to a bunch of kids just
ragchewing on the air!  Sir Hiram Percy Maxim, W1AW used the argument
that hams did more than that, including traffic, relaying, experimen-
ting, etc. And hams DID discover the usefulness of short waves.

If we were only allowed to transmit in order to fill a certain
particular purpose, like a propagation study, at the exclusion of
rag chewing, it would not be ham radio but an experimental service,
for which the FCC provides reasonably easy to get licenses.

All modes, and all purposes have their time and place.  But I think
the most basic one of all is ragchewing.  Even dyed in the wool
experimenters do it.  They establish contact, for the first time,
over 500 miles at 10 GHz and what do they do...?  Why ragchew, of
course!

As technology evolves, we have to move the hobby forward, or like you
like to say, "lean it towards the future".  Of course, as you say,
in no way should we do something that would eliminate the enjoyment
others have using older or current modes.

This is why I favor no-code testing, but continue with written tests
to guarantee commitment in part of the prospective ham...and to
continue the allotment of CW sub bands, even if they get reduced
in size from time to time as conditions warrant.  This from someone
who is an Extra and a CW man to boot!  Good thing this is not in the
days of Salem or I might be in for a hot time!

Ramon, AL7X   [ To foil SpamBots, my address is not machine readable.
Nome, Alaska  [ Please reply to:   rfg.at.nome.dot.net


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
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Ramon Gandia ([e-mail]) wrote:
<snip>

:  And hams DID discover the usefulness of short waves.

<snip>

   Hate to knock this pleasant myth, but Marconi's trip in Elettra on
1920 or 1921 predated that ham transatlantic tests, which themselves
predated (but led to) the short wave ham bands.

K8EF


--
Gerry


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:20 1996
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From: Robert Barron <[e-mail]>
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Gary Coffman wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> >I'll agree that early Amateurs were concerned with throughput too.
> >But you seem to imply that rag chewing was somehow less a part of the
> >hobby than it is today.  I don't think anyone could make that
> >statement based on a verifiable fact.  My guess is that ragchewing
> >has always been a part of Amateur Radio.  Surely it must remain a
> >part, or else what's the throughput for?
>
> Absolutely. I do not for a minute want to imply that conversation
> is not a laudable use of amateur radio. It is one of the main things
> that content is for, others being traffic handling, emergency communcations,
> etc. What I meant to imply was that the fact of the contact's existence
> alone was not the primary reason for the early radio pioneers' activity,
> nor was it the primary reason for the early amateur's activities. Once
> they knew contact was possible (and that's been a well established fact
> for a very long time), the focus shifted to *doing something* with the
> contact. Whether that was passing formal messages or casual chatting is
> not the issue. The issue is that they started to exchange *information*.

Hmmmm....  I'm curious.  When and how was this well established?  I can
understand one having an opinion of that nature but how can it be so
well established?  With any large group of people there are bound to be
(and have been) a large number of interests and my gut feeling is that
at all periods of Amateur Radio there have been those who liked to build
and those who liked to make contacts, even after it was old hat.

> >If by radio pioneers you mean Marconi and Hertz, sure.  But Radio
> >Amateurs I think saw fun in operation just as much (if not more) as
> >an application.
>
> Well, of course, amateurs get paid in no other coin. But the mere
> fact of contact isn't much fun for long, especially if many others
> have already "been there, done that". How many stations do you have
> to work at the antipodes before the novelty wears off? (Apparently
> for some of today's amateurs the answer is *all of them* and *several
> times over*.)

I can understand your position on this.  But I don't want to fault
someone else for enjoying the pasttime trying to work DX, even if they
work it more than once.

> Well, I was very involved with the Mexican earthquake communications.
> I didn't hear much contest style operating (though unfortunately I
> did hear some). The fellows who were best prepared for that were
> traffic handlers who were well skilled in moving books of traffic
> efficiently. (I say that as an old traffic handler.)

What do you mean by contest-style operating?

> Yes, good operating skills are vital, but the skills required are
> not those of the contester. They are the skills of the public
> service communicator. And those skills are different from those
> of the contester.

I would argue that traffic handling and contesting do share some
common traits.  True, contest operations alone do not fully prepare
one for effective emergency communications.  But developing the skills
to effectively listen to weak signals, or signals masked by QRM and
to exchange information does have relevence (sp?) to emergency
communications.  The exchange for Sweepstakes is actually based on
the heading information of radiograms.

The best scenario is to have real emergency communications training.
But I strongely disagree that good contest operating skills can not
make for a better emergency communicator.

> >The overall accomplishments of Amateur Radio is important.  But
> >equally important are the accomplishments of individuals in Amateur
> >Radio.  Sure lots of people have worked DXCC but if some young Ham
> >learned how to make a better antenna, to properly ground his/her
> >station, the characteristics of RF propagation, to listen carefully
> >and in doing so worked over 100 countries, isn't that worth *something*.
> >Amateur Radio, to me, is about trying new things and learning.  In the
> >case I described, that happened.
>
> I'll agree that there is some small training value to that for the
> newcomer, but it doesn't explain amateurs with 25 years or more
> service still doing the same thing. Any training value it might
> have is long accomplished.

I can only assume they continue to do it because it is fun, for them.  I
don't always share the views of fun as other Amateurs but at least they
are on the air and doing something.

73,

Robert KA5WSS
[e-mail]


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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I really don't know why some hams seem so opposed to increasing
>throughput. No matter what our communications objective, the more
>throughput we have the better we can accomplish it. The only
>reason I can think of for not wanting good throughput is that
>you don't want to engage in real communications with another
>person, but want to emit RF and occupy spectrum for a number
>of hours anyway, and that seems so pointless.
>
>Gary

I agree, there is absolutely no reason to spurn attempts to optimize
data throughput in amateur radio.  I might disagree that it should be
universally recognized as the most important metric in amateur radio.  In
commercial radio there's no question that throughput is of the utmost
import - or more to the point, dollars/min "throughput".

It seems to me that there's enough room in the art of ham radio for a lot
of metrics.  Everyone seems to have some particular aspect of their
station performance metric they take pride in optimizing and maximizing.
For some, it may be bits/sec.  For others it is miles/watt, or words/min,
or QSO's/min, or square ft. of aluminum-Hz.  For me, it's QSO-min/dollar
or QSO-miles/dollar, hi hi.  (My wife seems to think that food, shelter,
clothing, transportation, and security should come before ham radio gear.)
So I'm forced to try to produce maximum effectiveness for minimum
investment.  It's a fun challenge.  This is supposed to be fun after all,
isn't it?

73
Jim, AC6XG


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:22 1996
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HI ALL!
I'm a guy who loves anything related
to wireless devices,..I'm an old electronics hobbiest..
I successfully made,and designed transmitters ,receivers,
special tuning circuits,...
but I'm of poor information and experience in the legal,and
formal things like(call sign,fcc,...)
please tell me the best,the fastest ways to get
started in,introduced to, the amateur radio wonderful world...
..any advice to get the linsence easily and smoothly.
is it possible to use the 555 timer as a transmitter oscillator?
how to use a crystal in a "Colpetz oscillator"(I'm not sure of the
spelling).
sorry for my silly-like questions,please accept me a new
friend to the hams world.Thank you all!!


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (William Gode)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ICOM radios lose their minds? (backup battery issue)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
.ca (Rich Wales) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Rich Wales)
>Subject: ICOM radios lose their minds? (backup battery issue)
>Date: 6 Oct 1996 16:01:32 -0400

>I vaguely recall reading on the net, some years ago, that there was a
>problem with some (all?) ICOM equipment because if the backup battery
>inside the unit failed, the operating parameters would all be lost and
>could only be restored by sending the unit back to ICOM for repair.

This IS true, but it appears that the lithium batteries are lasting
considerably longer than expected.  I have both Icom IC-735 and IC-R71A
that are well over 5 years old and the radios continue to perform without
problems.

I just put the IC-R71A back in the main station and (earlier today) had
looked up an article from QST, July, '94, that described a device from
Willco Electronics for the IC-R71A, IC-751A and IC-745.  It replaces
the battery back-up board with a new board that will not "lose its mind"
when the lithium battery eventually fails.  The board (ICM-1024) also
provides for up 1024 memory channels (vs. 32) and extends the frequency
coverage from 100 Khz - 30 Mhz to 10 Khz - 32 Mhz.  When the review was
published, the board sold for $150.  It is user-installed.

I took down the address and will write to confirm current prices and specs,
but believe they are still in business.  I don't know if I would spend the
money before the radio dies, but it's nice to know there is an option to
sending the rig back to Icom when (if) the original battery fails.

Wonder if anyone out there has purchased this board and what they think
of it?

Willco's address is:  P.O. Box 788, New Lenox, IL 60451.

73,

Bill, WA9NHQ




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] (Rich Wales) wrote:

>I have an ICOM IC-R71A receiver which I bought sometime in the mid-80's.

>I vaguely recall reading on the net, some years ago, that there was a
>problem with some (all?) ICOM equipment because if the backup battery
>inside the unit failed, the operating parameters would all be lost and
>could only be restored by sending the unit back to ICOM for repair.

>Is this true?  Is it a general problem affecting all ICOM radios, or
>just some models?  In particular, is this a problem with the IC-R71A?
>Is it feasible for the equipment owner to replace the battery without
>sending the radio to ICOM?

Yes, it's true. Most batteries don't last to infinity.  It only affects the
models with the operating program held by the battery - 745, 751, etc.
You don't have to send the whole radio back, only the small board with
the battery on it. If you take out the battery to change it, the radio has
to be reprogrammed.

I have 4 Icom HF radios, some of which are going on ten years old, and
still on the original battery.

73, Jim KH2D





From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Info-Hams Digest V96 #1149
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pau
l L. Bartsch) writes:
>I'm getting sick and tired of seeing people post messages on turning 5 bucks
>into thousands.  Why is this allowed?  How does this pertain to amatuer radio
.
>I would like other peoples thoughts on this.
>Thanks

It is "allowed" because usenet is still a free speech anarchy. There
are no censors who rule on the content of a posting before allowing
it to be distributed. For the most part, this is a very good thing,
but it has a cost, and that cost is the occasional fast buck artist's
posting. Fortunately, unlike solicitation phone calls, you don't have
to read this stuff. You can just hit whatever key your reader uses
for next message and ignore it.

If you feel that you really must be policeman for the net, these
pyramid schemes are illegal activities, and you can forward them
to the proper authorities for prosecution. If they solicit cash
via US mail, as most do, then the proper authority is the postal
inspector because this is considered mail fraud. Just send them
the money that they request, then file a complaint with the post
office that you've been taken. If you do this for every one of
these postings, a lot of people will wind up in jail. You may
wind up in the poor house, but hey, no one said a policeman's
lot was easy.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:26 1996
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From: "William C. (Bill) Wells" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: It's Time to Drop All CW Testing
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Gentlemen:

I am a 33 year veteran of ham radio and have held an Amateur Extra Class
License for many years so I guess you could say that I have a know code
license.  Both times when the no code license proposals came up before
the FCC I filed comments in opposition to the creation of such a
license.  But when a no code technician class license was finally
adopted, my attitude was this:  "It is now the law of the land and it is
up to us to make it work."

I was heading up the VE operations of my local radio club and so I saw
first hand just what the no code license brought into ham radio in the
way of applicants.  I was, in general, quite impressed with the quality
of the applicants that I was seeing.  Sure, in any crowd there are a few
bad apples but ham radio already had "bad apples."  If you don't believe
me, just listen to 14.313 MHz or 3.8945 MHz.  The persons involved in
the escapades on these frequencies are for the most part Extra Class.

Back in the early days of radio a code test was unnecessary because that
was the only means of communications available so it was learn the code
or not be involved.  Later, the primary justification for ham radio was
"training" so code testing became important so ham radio could fulfill
its mission and provide trained telegraphers to the military, the
government, and private industry.

Now, the military and the government have abandoned CW.  The Department
of Defense has even banned CW on MARS frequencies as of October 1, 1996.
GMDSS has all but eliminated CW from the high seas.  The US Coast Guard
no longer even monitors the international CW distress frequency, 500
KHz.  Now the only places where one finds CW in use is automated
satellite IDers, automated IDers in the private land mobile service
(when they are even used), airport NDBs (and the pilots don't know morse
code, they have books with the dots and dashes written out for them),
and ham radio.

The face is that now Morse code is nothing but a dead relic.  Sure,
there are some who still enjoy it.  I even spend some time using it.  I
am particularly fond of the 160 meter CW contest.  But as a testing
requirement, it's day should be over.

I realize that this will take a change in ITU regulations but I expect
this to come about soon, by 1999 at the latest.  As soon as the ITU
drops the requirement, I expect the FCC to do the same.

Lets all be constructive, eliminate all the bandwidth being devoted to a
debate over the merits ow CW in the 90s and beyond and start to discuss
the implementation of the no code HF license which will come sooner or
later.  (I'm betting on sooner.)

73, Bill Wells - WA8HSU
[e-mail]


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Subject: Re: It's Time to Drop All CW Testing
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:34:51 -0700
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William C. (Bill) Wells wrote:
>
> Gentlemen:
>
> I am a 33 year veteran of ham radio and have held an Amateur Extra Class
> License for many years so I guess you could say that I have a know code
> license.  Both times when the no code license proposals came up before
> the FCC I filed comments in opposition to the creation of such a
> license.  But when a no code technician class license was finally
> adopted, my attitude was this:  "It is now the law of the land and it is
> up to us to make it work."
>
> I was heading up the VE operations of my local radio club and so I saw
> first hand just what the no code license brought into ham radio in the
> way of applicants.  I was, in general, quite impressed with the quality
> of the applicants that I was seeing.  Sure, in any crowd there are a few
> bad apples but ham radio already had "bad apples."  If you don't believe
> me, just listen to 14.313 MHz or 3.8945 MHz.  The persons involved in
> the escapades on these frequencies are for the most part Extra Class.
>
> Back in the early days of radio a code test was unnecessary because that
> was the only means of communications available so it was learn the code
> or not be involved.  Later, the primary justification for ham radio was
> "training" so code testing became important so ham radio could fulfill
> its mission and provide trained telegraphers to the military, the
> government, and private industry.
>
> Now, the military and the government have abandoned CW.  The Department
> of Defense has even banned CW on MARS frequencies as of October 1, 1996.
> GMDSS has all but eliminated CW from the high seas.  The US Coast Guard
> no longer even monitors the international CW distress frequency, 500
> KHz.  Now the only places where one finds CW in use is automated
> satellite IDers, automated IDers in the private land mobile service
> (when they are even used), airport NDBs (and the pilots don't know morse
> code, they have books with the dots and dashes written out for them),
> and ham radio.
>
> The face is that now Morse code is nothing but a dead relic.  Sure,
> there are some who still enjoy it.  I even spend some time using it.  I
> am particularly fond of the 160 meter CW contest.  But as a testing
> requirement, it's day should be over.
>
> I realize that this will take a change in ITU regulations but I expect
> this to come about soon, by 1999 at the latest.  As soon as the ITU
> drops the requirement, I expect the FCC to do the same.
>
> Lets all be constructive, eliminate all the bandwidth being devoted to a
> debate over the merits ow CW in the 90s and beyond and start to discuss
> the implementation of the no code HF license which will come sooner or
> later.  (I'm betting on sooner.)
>
> 73, Bill Wells - WA8HSU
> [e-mail]


thank you bill for the support in good (common)sense.some of us(carl
and gary)to name a few need more good hams to show the way.
now if we can just get jim and jeff to buy in,it will fly.
73 steve cm88ll 50.110/1296.1  no cw,thank you


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:31 1996
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From: Kevin Potter <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: It's Time to Drop All CW Testing
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Been there, done that.  Took the code tests to get the license because
it had to be done.  Actually liked the code after all the tests.

Yes, drop the code requirement & 'modernize' the test with other
material.

Just my opinion.

KP
AA6KV




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On the 19-20 of October: Look up this page:

http://www.algonet.se/~jhe/jota.html

and you will hopefully see our transmitting frequency
from an IC-735 operating in the Jamboree On The Air 1996.
The Habo scoutgroup will operate from abt 50Km N of Stockholm.
Just give us a call...

All the best! 73 es Cu at the JOTA/I!
mailto:[e-mail]

NNNN


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:32 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: JOTA help in KATY, TEXAS
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:45:42 GMT
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The COBRA Patrol of Cub Scout Pack 987 is desperately seeking someone
to help us.  We would like to be part of the Jamboree On The Air
during the weekend of October 19-20.  Part of the Communicator Badge
deals with contacting others using different means.  JOTA is a
worldwide activity for Scouts.

If you have the capability to help us, please let me know.

Thanks...
Mike Gay





From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gilbert Baron)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood TS870 Mods
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 22:21:54 GMT
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Does anyone have any modification information for the Kenwood TS870? I
see none at any of the usual sites.
--
Gil Baron W0MN [e-mail] Web http://www.deskmedia.com/~gbaron
"Bailar es vivir" pgp2.6 key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html
"Cuatro caminos hay en mi vida. Cual de los cuatro sera el mejor"
[Posted with Agent .99f. For info, email [e-mail].]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:34 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gary Randall)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for IC
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 20:14:51 GMT
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Hello and thanks for reading this.

I am looking for a MC 4016 count down decade counter chip,
I know they are old, but I only need one.

If anyone knows where I can order one or just has one , let me
know via the newsgroup or email: [e-mail]

Thanks
Gary
KD4VRZ



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Art Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for KD1KT
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 00:14:10 GMT
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Hi Everyone,

I'm trying to locate KD1KT, or someone who has regular
contact with him.

No, I'm not a bill collector or a Government Agent....

He has MANY unclaimed QSL cards at the bureau, and I
need someone to pass the word to him. The cards can be
sent to him if he would like to pay for the postage.

His last known address was:

Keith Brown
562 Westford St
Lowell, MA 01851

If you can help (without spending any of your own $$),
please pass the word, or contact me via email.


Thanks, Art, KY1K.

[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:35 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Mast for vertical Yagi
Date: 3 Oct 1996 12:48:50 -0700
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I'd like to put a 2-meter Yagi antenna on the roof of my house. I need
to polarize it vertically. If I do that, I don't think I can use steel
or aluminum masts, because they'll interfere with the operation of the Yagi.
Am I correct? If I am, does anyone have any suggestions?

- Gary     KB0QGE


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:36 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Mast for vertical Yagi
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 21:37:42 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I'd like to put a 2-meter Yagi antenna on the roof of my house. I need
> to polarize it vertically. If I do that, I don't think I can use steel
> or aluminum masts, because they'll interfere with the operation of the Yagi.
> Am I correct? If I am, does anyone have any suggestions?

Gary, the mast will probably not affect it terribly, but it will do
some "damage" to the pattern.

Some people use a wood or fiberglass mast, and then run the coax
down this mast.  The coax shield being a ground, I do not think
they gain one iota.

If you stack two vertical beams side by side, you can connect
them with a metal mast in between them, which in turn mounts near
the center to your tower or rotor mast.  The coax follows the
masting and supports.

Many vertically polarized beams mount the beam entirely ahead of
the mast in order to avoid interaction; the idea being that since
the beam as a F/B ration of 20 db or more, the energy going back to
the mast is not enough to cause much disturbance.  However, this
puts a lot of stress on the clamp and is used more often when the
beam is side mounted on the tower and can be adequately braced.
Or, you could use a dacron line (which unlike nylon doesn't stretch)
to hold up the far end of the beam.

Unless you have a critical application in mind, I wouldn't worry
about it too much.

Ramon, AL7X  [To avoid SpamBots, my e-mail address is not machine
              readable.  Reply to rfg.at.nome.dot.net   ]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:38 1996
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From: Rick Bates <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: MBBIOS under Win95 - HOW ?
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 19:17:18 +0000
Organization: Me organized?  What for?
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Jeff King wrote:
>
> Fredrik Elversson wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am trying to run MBBIOS (and the DOS-versoin of FBB) under Win95.
> > MBBIOS won┤t start (i.e FBB can┤t sync the modem at startup). Is there
> > a way to let MBBIOS to have full access to COM2 ?  Something to write
> > in the sysintem.ini-file perhaps....?
> >
> > Or how is it done otherwise....
> >
> > 73 de Fred SM7UGE
> >
> > Packet: [e-mail]
> > E-mail: [e-mail]
>
> Never used MBBIOS under WIN95 but have used other DOS com drivers.
> Delete the reference to COM2: in the system setup, device drivers
> section (under ports, COM2:). If WIN95 doesn't know its there, then
> it shouldn't object to MBBIOS grabbing it.
>
> -Jeff WB8WKA

If you delete it, Win95 will "find" it during the next bootup.  Simply
uncheck it from the configuration and it will be ignored.

Rick


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:38 1996
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From: Mel_Lau <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Need disneyland repeater frequency
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:51:51 -0700
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Hello,

I going to disneyland and I was wonder if anybody konws
the repeater frequencies down there. Is it okay to use the
repeater ??


thanks in advance,
Mel

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (dwh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEED INFO ON GE PORTAMOBILE 49MHZ RADIO
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:42:35 GMT
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Hello,
  We have a GE Portamobile Radio on 49Mhz.  Is anyone familar with
this radio?  All we have is the radio on 49.180 Mhz and the AC
powersupply that clips on to the bottom.  The radio does transmit 10
watts but we do not have a receive xtal.  The model # is HN44LA833
TX data ET61A and RX data is ER43A.  Any info would be appreciated.
Will the radio tune up on 6M?  Does anyone have realigning
instructions?  Copies of the service manual?

Thanks
AB5LG




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:40 1996
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From: Tuck Miller <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEED IRC Software
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 10:16:04 -0700
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I would like to get some IRC software, so I can get on a chat with some
of the folks. If you have such a critter, maybe you could send it to me
as an attachment. Really would appreciate it.

73,

Tuck, KC6ZEC

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:41 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: NEED IRC Software
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 02:19:04 GMT
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Tuck Miller <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I would like to get some IRC software,

Why don't you simply download it. Use a search engine to find the MIRC
home page. It has IRC shareware and other useful information.



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:42 1996
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From: Tuck Miller <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New copy of license
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 10:36:42 -0700
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Davis Straub wrote:
>
> My wallet was stolen with my license in it.
>
> I've looked around the web for instructions on how to get a new one, but
> didn't find anything.
>
> Could you be so good as to point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>    \\\^///
>   < ò┐ò >
>      ~
>
> Notice the new address ([e-mail])
>
> Davis Straub
> co-author with Brian Livingston of "Windows 95 Secrets Gold," IDG Books,
> Inc.
> "Windows 95 Secrets ... is the Jaws of Life for Windows 95 users."
> http://www.halcyon.com/davis/secrets.htm
> Seattle, Washington Just mail in another 610 and explain your wallet was sto
len. That should
help you out. 73, Tuck, KC6ZEC


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: New copy of license
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <01bbb305$8a35a340$31111dcc@davis-p166>
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 12:10:21 GMT
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In article <01bbb305$8a35a340$31111dcc@davis-p166> "Davis Straub" <davis@halcy
on.com> writes:
>My wallet was stolen with my license in it.
>
>I've looked around the web for instructions on how to get a new one, but
>didn't find anything.
>
>Could you be so good as to point me in the right direction?

Just write a letter to the FCC explaining the circumstances of the
loss and they will send you a replacement license. They see this
every day, it's no big deal, and no charge.

I will suggest that you should keep your original license in a safe
place and only carry a photocopy in the future. That'll avoid the
necessity to write the FCC if this happens again. Or if you run
your wallet through the washer, as I once did. :-(

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jens Goerke)
Subject: Re: New copy of license
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Anthony S. Pelliccio ([e-mail]) wrote:
> In article <01bbb306$57490700$31111dcc@davis-p166>,
> Davis Straub <[e-mail]> wrote:
[...]
> I carry a photocopy of my license in my wallet. The original is
> laminated and stays at home 99.9% of the time along with my station
> license (The 5x7), GROL, etc...

> So spend the ten cents and get those copies.

Better make copies of _all_ your papers. I once had my wallet
stolen and just getting the necessary information and serial
numbers of everything in your wallet took me _two_days_.

I now keep two sets of copies at different places, just in case.

Just my $.02,
        Jens, DB9LL
--
What _was_ you username again? <clickety clickety click>


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Not a wonderful life, no life.
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:14:44 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeff Stevenson) wrote:

>You don't even wanna know what Burt's profile looks like at Deja News.
>Although I have a strong suspicion that the articles to the sex groups were
>forged.

>Jeff

As were a bunch to the ham groups....

Jim KH2D





From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Not a wonderful life, no life.
Date: 10 Oct 1996 11:39:57 GMT
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) writes:
> Frank Sved wrote:
>>
>> Correct again Burt.  I choose not to post to groups like ALT.SEX.TEENS
>>
>> Do tell us hams if this female up there is over 16?
>
> Is there such a group?
> You seem to know.

Yes Burt I know.  As I've said, "I" choose not to post to them for the
simple fact that I don't have a life.

How about you?

--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Not a wonderful life, no life.
Date: 10 Oct 1996 11:47:38 GMT
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) writes:
>
> My motivation is to do the impossible, to get hams to think.
> There are some people that think I am nice, a couple are hams.


tell it like it is Burt.  Your motivation is a sour, bitter, twinkie.
--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:47 1996
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Subject: Re: Not a wonderful life, no life.
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 10:55:06 +0100
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In message <[e-mail]>
        Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:

>                  .-.
>   //  ,.  \\     /   \           .-.                                 .
>   \\ (  ) //    /     \         /   \       .-.     _     .-.       /
>    \>-'`-</    /--Burt Fisher [e-mail]-\---/-\---/---\-----/--
>    CENSORED              \     /       \   /     `-'   `-'     \   /
>      )  (                \   /         `-'                     `-'
>     /    \                `-'
>    CENSORED
>      \/ /     <----- Hams this is a female
>      ( <
>       \ |

Burt

Please stop posting dirty pictures. Most of us, right thinking
people, find it offensive.
--
Bill       Br of Cally, Perthshire, Scotland
e-mail     [e-mail]
packet     GM0VIT@GB7YEW.#79.GBR.EU



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:48 1996
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From: Robert Ganter <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net wrote:
>
>  maybe some local old timer may have the Eimac 'Care and Feeding of Power
>  Grid Tubes'. It does a great job of explaining the whole deal with load lin
es,
>  impedances, and all. They're not too tough to understand. Only the Gate 2
>  Vanity Call operation is beyond comprehension. Cheers!

Do they still sell this book (or booklet) ? I would be very interested.
If it is not available anymore, could someone photocopy it?

Regards

Robert HB9NBY


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:49 1996
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From: Jim Conn <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Please, folks...
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 05:26:05 -0700
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Michael P. Deignan wrote:
>
> In article <52vjr2$[e-mail]>,
>         Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Anarchy will distroy this newsgroup. .Policy was created to take the
> >code debate off of this group. How can we respect your views when you
> >won't even respect the rec.radio.amateur charter that governs these
> >groups?
>
> Carl doesn't want people to respect his views. He wants to merely
> impose them on you whether you want them or not. His anti-social
> behaviour is a clear indicator of his true intentions.
>
> MD
> --
> --
> --  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
> --
> --  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.

Michael,

I agree completely.  However, I believe the best possible treatment for
such self centered egotists as Carl and his corps of effete snobs is
to ignore them as if they did not exist.  Reading Carl's
self-aggrandizing, boastful posts on rrap made me realize that he
considers himself a "legend in his own mind." One can only hope he will
confine his prattle to rrap, to which I have unsubscribed.

73,
Jim - AD4VL



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:50 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: QSY'er...?
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 96 08:41:28 GMT
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Hello...

Im looking for a possibility to by QSY'er for FT747GX and FT757GX.
Can anyone help me with an adress.
My dealer in Germany told me in europe it's impossible to get some.

73 de Uwe DF8MM (/EA1)
La Coruna - Spain




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:53 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 17:15:31 -0800
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Todd wrote:

> >Well as much as it pains me to say so, QSOs/Hz is a valid metric.
>
Carl wrote:

> I disagree ... but I know you'll hear me out ...
>
> >It basically measures how many concurrent QSOs can take place in
> >a given bandwidth.  Given the variable speed at which humans generate
> >information, it makes sense as it measures occupancy, not throughput.
>
> But occupancy is not what measures spectral efficiency ... information
> transfer is ... that's why the bits/sec/Hz metric is the one that's
> prefered in the engineering community and by the FCC ...

Carl, I have to agree with Todd's statement.  In an engineering world,
or a commercial communications world, specially with specific
frequency assignments or discrete communications channels, your
method would be correct.

However, ham radio does not fit the mold this way.  This is a hobby,
for enjoyment.  Thus, for us hams, its QSO's per Hz or per band, that
is the measure of efficiency.  Specially as we all want real-time
QSO's (packet notwithstanding).

Ramon, AL7X    [ To foil SpamBots, my address is not machine readable.
Nome, Alaska     Reply to:  rfg.at.nome.dot.net  ]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>Part of the cost of Morse is the wetware conditioning required,

Part of the cost of digital is the moistware conditioning required
learning to type.

>I would not be surprised, or disappointed, if it became like AM, something
>people tinker with only for nostalgic reasons.

Oh, I wouldn't call domestic and foreign AM broadcasters, and aircraft
AM radio users, tinkerers.

Jeffrey KH2PZ / KH6
Mathematics, sailing, chess, piano, ham radio, ocean diving



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Quick Question CARL
Date: 8 Oct 1996 19:07:24 GMT
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Did they get sick of you on rec.radio.amateur.policy and that's why you're
here?

No, I know, they don't want kooks on alt.alien.visitors


--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (XRAY1787)
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Subject: radios for sale or trade:
Date: 10 Oct 1996 13:38:11 -0400
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I have the  following radios for sale or trade :

(2) STX Type 1 ..w/DTMF and charger

(1) STX 821 Type I , II and IIi .. w/DTMF and charger...battery is new

(1) MT1000 VHF 16channel w/shoulder mike

(1) Visar UHF w/extra battery

Also for sale or trade : GE 800Mhz radio w/new battery

All items are for sale.. will aslo trade if interested ...

thanks..........JT


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:57 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Ramon, Fix Your Software
Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 21:49:36 -0800
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Jim Kehler wrote:
>
> Ramon,
>      I can't answer email you send me because:
>
> Return-Path: <[e-mail]>
> Date: Sat, 05 Oct 1996 16:36:17 -0800
> From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
> Reply-To: rfg.at.nome.dot.net@no, [e-mail]
>
> doesn't seem to be a good email address.

It is good, but you have to translate it by hand and type it in
instead of pressing the "reply-to" button.  My address is the
standard accepted Internet phonetic:   rfg.at.nome.dot.net
where ".at." is replaced with @, and ".dot." is replaced with a period

I did it to foil the SpamBots that cruise the usenet looking for
e-mail addresses to send junk mail to.  LOTS of people are doing
this now.

I tried just a plain rfg.at.nome.dot.net  and my Netscape 3.0 would
not accept that unless it had an @ sign somewhere in there.  So
that is the best I could come up with.

What I need to do is make up a signature file (sans cartoons, thank you)
that explains this a bit better.  Sorry for the inconvenience.

Ramon, AL7X  [To foil SpamBots, my e-mail address is not machine
              readable.  Address your e-mail to rfg.at.nome.dot.net


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Hawkins)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Recommended methods for studying to pass the no-code tech test
Date: 11 Oct 1996 03:21:01 GMT
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I am looking to take the no-code tech test.  Does anyone have any
suggestions on the books, study guides, computer programs, etc. that I
could use to study for the test?

My newsreader is giving me some problems so please e-mail me with your
recommendations.  Thanks.

Jeff Hawkins
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:57:59 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: 10 Oct 1996 23:42:02 GMT
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In <53dq6i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank Sve
d) writes:
>
>Tuck Miller ([e-mail]) writes:
>> Frank Sved wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > it's not a hobby, exactly. it's defined as a service in the rule books.
that's an
>>> > important point. see basis and purpose in 97.1. to that end APRS needs
>>> > investigation and perfection so that fits in nicely...
>>>
>>> A "service" that you can't charge for, can't use professionally.  You can
>>> only use it for non-lucrative goals and can't make a living at it?
>>> Sounds like a hobby to me. (unless one chooses to chase ambulances)
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur
>>
>> A service meaning providing communications in time of disaster or
>> emergencies, floods, earthquakes, hurricanes, bombings, plane crashes,
>> the list goes on. A service first, a hobby 2nd.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tuck, KC6ZEC
>
>
>I agree with your description, Tuck, but in regards to catagorizing
>Amateur radio I call it a hobby.  A usefull one, but nothing more.

Frank,

It has been shown numerous times that the FCC defines amateur radio as a
service and that specific reasons for being and objectives are
established as justification for our existence and our frequency
allocations ...


Why insist on saying "I agree with ..."  and then turn around and say
"but in regards to catagorizing Amateur radio I call it a hobby.  A
usefull one, but nothing more." ???

The thing that concerns me about this insistence some people have about
saying "It's ONLY a hobby ..." is that some day, the FCC may just hear
that and listen ... when that happens, our bands are history ... there
is NO WAY that the regulators can justify our allocations for a hobby.
Period. End of story. Fact. (Ask Phil Kane if you don't believe me.)

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: 11 Oct 1996 14:53:42 GMT
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Carl Stevenson ([e-mail]) writes:
>
> Frank,
>
> It has been shown numerous times that the FCC defines amateur radio as a
> service and that specific reasons for being and objectives are
> established as justification for our existence and our frequency
> allocations ...
>
>
> Why insist on saying "I agree with ..."  and then turn around and say
> "but in regards to catagorizing Amateur radio I call it a hobby.  A
> usefull one, but nothing more." ???
>
> The thing that concerns me about this insistence some people have about
> saying "It's ONLY a hobby ..." is that some day, the FCC may just hear
> that and listen ... when that happens, our bands are history ... there
> is NO WAY that the regulators can justify our allocations for a hobby.
> Period. End of story. Fact. (Ask Phil Kane if you don't believe me.)
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]
>
>
>
Carl,
        First things first.  Who cares about the FCC?  Second, I
understand that Amateur Radio can play an important role as a service.
(hence the I agree with ...).  However it is primarily for enjoyment.
Again you can't make a living at it.  It's not proffessional.  I don't
mean to demean the purpose and role of radio at all.  It is extremely
important to me, but I won't go shoving it down people's throats that it
is an essential service.  Ambulance chasers is what I call them.

        Radio to me is interesting, fun, important, etc.  I love it.  But
I won't try to justify that by making claims that it is anything else but
that.

        What scares me about saying it is a service is that people who are
just having fun on radio will get pushed aside for service renderers.  You
know, "HEY THIS FREQS FOR A NET FOR BLA BLA BAL SO STAY OFF THANKS."

        Let's not forget that G.R.S. is a service too (General Radio
Service), where's the FCC regulating that service?

--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:01 1996
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From: Jeff King <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:48:39 -0500
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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>

>
> The thing that concerns me about this insistence some people have about
> saying "It's ONLY a hobby ..." is that some day, the FCC may just hear
> that and listen ... when that happens, our bands are history ... there
> is NO WAY that the regulators can justify our allocations for a hobby.
> Period. End of story. Fact. (Ask Phil Kane if you don't believe me.)
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

If it could be shown that the "hobby" generated sufficent revenue, and
a real commercial lobby existed, then believe the allocations could
be justified. Do I think this will happen anytime soon? No. I'm still
seeing 'hams' chasing off "digital experimenters" when they ask
questions
on some of the amateur newsgroups. If 'ham' radio can ever drop its
socialist mindset, (PROFIT = dirty word) we
might have a chance of having a viable service that can stand on
its own two feet.

Sadly, I must agree with you at this time.

-Jeff wb8wka
mailto:[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SM-8 mic and backround noise
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:48:41 GMT
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I am looking for any info on how to lower the backround noise.
Most of the time this mic will pick up the noise louder than my
voice.  I was thinging that there might be a way electronically
to reduce the backround noise.  I tried playing with the tone
and level adjustments on the bottom of the mic.

Please post or email any possible solutions

Thanks
Bill
N8UXB




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Sodomized by the FCC & Mellon Bank
Date: 9 Oct 1996 20:13:05 GMT
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        I am not going to address the preceeding posts.  I just spoke
with an information officer at the FCC in Gettysburg.  I have re-filed
electronically and they are Faxing me the form 159 to file for payment.

        Not only that, but she gave me the process as to how to file for
a reconsideration of my application and I suggest people who have been
caught up in the gears of the system to do so as this is just begining
to kick into gear and if you think it's going to go smoothly just hang
around for a while as the 'real' fun has not even begun yet i.e lost
applications, wrong call signs and endless mixups.

        What was wonderful about this conversation was that I told her
that I found it impossible to get angry at her as she was so informed
and helpful and that she was _not_ the problem but rather the system that
should be set up electronically and done nation wide by the VECs.  This
would save them an increadible amount of time, money and endless
frustration.  She agreed and was very authentic and real about it her
agreement.

        I wish everyone who has tried to apply for a call the best of luck
and if things really get weird, just call and stay cool....your going to need
it!  So sad to see all these people 'trapped' in an outdated and antiquated
system of information processing in 1996.  Hope you don't get caught up in
the entire mess, whether that be the Post Office or the mounds of paperwork
scattered around & between the FCC and Mellon Bank.

        _R. Kielich.  N6?


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In <53fhdg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich) writes:
>
>        I went to my post office today to check on my mail.  I wondered
>what the heck a large fat letter from the FCC was doing in my box.
>After I looked at the address I knew I was in for a living nightmare.
>
>        Beyond all boundaries of comprehension and thought, my 610-V
>form for my 1 by 2 call sign was returned to me with a letter of
>"Dismissal".  I started talking out loud to myself in the Post Office
>i.e. "Dildos"! God damn ignorant, incompetent, bungling "Dildos"! I knew
>I had been 'Sodomized' by the FCC & Mellon Bank and possibly the
>Post Office itself as well, and I was right.
>
>        If you think or believe that I am just one of the 'rare' few to
>be 'Sodomized' just wait as the real fun has not even begun in earnest
>yet.
>
>        To return briefly to my 610-V, the reason given was that they
>'claim' that it was received 'too early'.  This is where it really gets
>dark and murky to say the least.  The Mellon Contract Bank cashed my
>check and a photocopy is enclosed with a computer date at the top which
>is 09-25-96.  Interesting eh?  Mellon goes right for "The M_O_N_E_Y" like
>they are programmed to do.  Lets continue a bit.  The date of their
>letter to me is Sept. 30th. 1996 and below that is a "Process Number"
>for this transaction and it starts out with a dated code i.e. 960924
>2104 which translated means September 24th. 1996.  Finally on the 610-V
>itself in the upper right hand corner, where it says "For FCC use only"
>Is a very weak red stamp that reads FCC/MELLON SEP 20 1996.  Go figure.
>
>        I sent my application at 5:30 p.m. on wednesday the 18th. at a
>mailbox in front of my Post Office in Berkeley.  Later that day I called
>the Post Office at their main branch in Oakland and told them what I had
>done and what my worries were.  I was told that "It is virtually impossible
>for your letter to get to P.A. on friday, *maybe* Saturday, with an excellent
>chance on monday the 23rd."  "Don't worry it's not possible".  When my
>check cleared the bank I though I would now just let go and forget about
>it.  Today my first concern has come to haunt me yet again, instead this
>time it's a nightmare come full circle.
>
>        What's worse is that your dealing with a system that was set up
>for 1932 in 1996.  There is no one there to stop _major_ errors or
>mistakes such as "Where do I put this stack?"  "Oh, that...put it over
>there with those..." or,  "What about those over there?"  "Ahh....don't
>worry about it" .  Do you see what I'm saying now?  Large stacks of mail
>that are just pushed around by people who know little to nothing about
>what's going on or don't even care.  There is now way and I mean *no* way
>to prevent anyone from 'including' an application that arrived early
>from being 'included' or one that arrived one day late from being 'excluded'
>and returned, and we have not even gotten to the untested computer
>system yet.
>
>        Here is what I am proposing:  Get a court ordered injunction to
>        ---------------------------   =================================
>halt the processing of this entire charade today.  I'm dead serious
>=================================================  ----------------
>about this.  Just do it.  When that is taken care of, put a program
>together that it totally electronic and is processed by the VEC teams
>around the United States.  If not just wait till your Vanity Call Sign
>arrives and turns out to be one from someone else's application.  Think
>it won't happen?  Stay tuned as the 'Vanity Calamity' continues to really
>kick into high gear.
>
>
>        E. Randolph Kielich  /  N6WDV
>
>Randy,
  Chill out dude! I got mine back too because of an overzealous (who would
 believe it?) USPS. After being aggravated, ticked, upset, and downright mad,
I
 thought, this is too nutty to get an ulcer over. The point that several of th
e guys
 made is correct. Just cool your jets and see what's there after the smoke cle
ars
 and go get a new call.

 I got a written letter from the district consumer affairs director of the USP
S
 acknowledging that they incorrectly delivered too early. Mine was clearly mar
ked
 for second day delivery. It was mailed late Thursday afternoon from a very ru
ral
 Post Office in Indiana. I live 14 miles from the post office. The clerk insis
ted that
 the only way I could get ANY delivery by Monday was the $10.75 method. What
 the heck do I know about the Post Office, zippo. I was just as surprised as y
ou.

  After finding out what happened and unable to get anywhere with it,  I took
it to
my U.S. Senator's office because it was clearly a case of one Federal Agency v
s the
other. The answer....two parts, one the USPS only guarantees the delivery agai
nst
delay. And the one that sticks in my craw, but true....the lockbox P.O. Box th
at
we all shipped our applications to, was the same P.O. Box # used for Gate 1
entrys, so the Mellon folks had no clue as to what OUR intentions were. I will
 say
that I can sympathize with how you feel, but let's take the advice of some of
these other rascals in the newsgroup. We'll have a good story to tell about ho
w
we ended up with weirdball calls. Take care!

                                                      73's Jim WD9AHF

>



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From: [e-mail] (Tom Sefranek)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Sodomized by the FCC & Mellon Bank
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[e-mail] (Randolph Kielich) wrote:


>        To return briefly to my 610-V, the reason given was that they
>'claim' that it was received 'too early'.

>        I sent my application at 5:30 p.m. on wednesday the 18th. at a
>mailbox in front of my Post Office in Berkeley.

Now here's a guy who didn't follow the directions and is bitching
'cause he isn't gonna get served.  My guess is he just wanted to test
the system.  "Mommy, what if I just put my foot out of my room?"
If your going to be an early adoptor, you get RISK.
I know, you only broke the rules a little, so THEY are stupid.
Grow up!

>        E. Randolph Kielich  /  N6WDV

Tom
WA1RHP
Net Elmer







From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:06 1996
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From: [e-mail](Anthony Severdia)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Sodomized by the FCC & Mellon Bank
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In <53fhdg$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich) writes:
>
>
>        I went to my post office today to check on my mail.  I
wondered
>what the heck a large fat letter from the FCC was doing in my box.
>After I looked at the address I knew I was in for a living nightmare.
>
>        Beyond all boundaries of comprehension and thought, my 610-V
>form for my 1 by 2 call sign was returned to me with a letter of
>"Dismissal".  I started talking out loud to myself in the Post Office
>i.e. "Dildos"! God damn ignorant, incompetent, bungling "Dildos"! I
knew
>I had been 'Sodomized' by the FCC & Mellon Bank and possibly the
>Post Office itself as well, and I was right.
>
>        If you think or believe that I am just one of the 'rare' few
to
>be 'Sodomized' just wait as the real fun has not even begun in earnest
>yet.
>

    Whine - whine - whine.  Sodomized?  Dildos?  Me thinks Randy uses
typical Berzerkely language without the slightest idea of meanings!
And it's typical of Berzerkely heads to attack, attack first without
admitting any possibility of self-wrong.  Your "fun" is over, Randy.
Time for you to sulk petulently in quiet remorse.

    That's the way it is, folks.

    W6ANV   in San Francisco






From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Turner)
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Perhaps you've already thought of this, but just look in the Silent Keys
listings in QST for two years ago.  Pick out the call you want and apply for
it.  You might even try a bit less than two years because it takes some time
for the info to get into QST.

73, Bill W7LZP
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:08 1996
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Randolph Kielich wrote:
>
>         I went to my post office today to check on my mail.  I wondered
> what the heck a large fat letter from the FCC was doing in my box.
> After I looked at the address I knew I was in for a living nightmare.
>

Yeah, I got one of those letters a couple of days ago too; dismissed
because it was received too early. Interesting, because I mailed it
from Amherst, MA at 7:30 AM on Friday 9/20; plain old First Class, in
the box out in front of the Post Office. Bet they couldn't deliver a late
mortgage payment that fast..

SO, now I have to figure out how to get my money back, and reapply. In
the grand scheme of things, this is all pretty insignificant; the sun
still rises.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:08 1996
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From: "Robert Morton" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Software for Radio / DJ's
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (VoltageS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Source for "smart" charger???
Date: 7 Oct 1996 20:30:18 -0400
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Hi All - I'm looking for a source for a "smart" charger for 12 volt gel
cells.  A board or a kit for home-brew would be OK too.  Help would be
appreciated.  73 de Gene K2AKV


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:10 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
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Folks,

        I have been getting some e-mail concerning my From: and
the Reply To: address, which you will see in my posting header.

        This is to foil the SpamBots.  These are programs that
read newsgroups and collect e-mail addresses from posters.  Those
addresses are processed into mailing lists for unsolicited
commercial advertisement by e-mail, called "Spam".  You also see
Spam direct to the newsgroups, like chain letters, etc., but the
one of concern is the e-mail Spam.

        The last issue or two of PC-type magazines have carried the
news that at least TWO major ad agencies collecting addresses and will
be making major advertising campaigns via e-mail Spam.

        I am already getting some.

        The main concern, besides being a pain in the arse, is that
it is done on your nickel.  Newsgroup posts exist in one copy per
newsgroup, but e-mail is one copy per recipient.  Thus, if your ISP
has 1,000 customers, it will receive and store 1,000 e-mail
messages.

        Most of these SpamBots are so designed that the e-mail so
sent has each message slightly different from the others, so that
the automatic cancellers cannot catch them.

        So, as my signature file explains, you can reply to my
newsgroup posts to the n.g. with no problems, but if you wish to
reach me by e-mail, you must address it by hand instead of pushing
the Reply:Mail button on your Netscape etc.  This is a very slight
inconvenience to you, for which I apologize.

        All Internet addresses are typed one way, but spelled
phonetically another way.  Many people jumped into the Internet
by buying Netscape or Explorer and never learned the Internet
customs and etiquette.  There are standard phonetics for Internet
addresses, just as for radio via the ICAO phonetic alphabet.

Thus:      [e-mail]
Becomes:   joe.at.host.dot.somewhere.dot.com

I think this is self-explanatory.  However, a complication for us
Netscape users is that Netscape requires the inclusion of the "@"
symbol in there somewhere, or it bombs the mail/posts.  When you
go to Options-->Mail and News Preferences-->Identity you should
enter your address in the form:

            [e-mail]

This will get by Netscape and it might be obvious to someone.  It
mostly is not obvious, so my signature file explains it.  I refer you
folks to the alt.2600.* newsgroups and the comp.os.cpm and
comp.os.linux.* newsgroups which are starting to collect e-mail spam.

It is a pity Netscape does not allow the Mail and News preferences as
to identity to be set separately because e-mail is private and cannot
be trolled by the SpamBots, just the newsgroups.

I strongly suggest that you folks follow suit, as the lists are being
compiled NOW.

Ramon, AL7X  [ To foil the SpamBots, my e-mail addr is not machine
Nome, Alaska   readable.  Reply to:  rfg.at.nome.dot.net  ]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Suffixes to amateur call signs
Date: 7 Oct 1996 18:22:19 GMT
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In article <534qfn$[e-mail]>, Bill Nelson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Anthony R. Gold ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: Yup, but the /6 really relates to being away from the location of the
>: address on the Station License rather than being away from the region
>: of call district.  For example, if Jim moved to California and
>: changed the address on the Station License (actually now just the
>: mailing address for the single Operator and Station License) then if
>: he was at home he would sign KH2D in California, it would be KH2D/6
>: when travelling near to his new home and KH2D/2 when visiting his old
>: haunts.
>
>Have they changed the rules in the US? It used to be that you used the
>/n suffix whenever operating out of district.

It used to be that one had to sign 'portable' and 'mobile' with the
district when operating portable and mobile.  However, something like
20 years ago the FCC dropped these requirements, I think at the same
time they dropped the logging requirements.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Suffixes to amateur call signs
Date: 7 Oct 1996 17:01:30 -0400
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In article <536hc4$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Jeffrey Herman" writes:

> You've made a grave but common error, Tony. Guam in not in the 2nd
> call district. In your example, Jim would be operating up in New
> England, not Guam.

Actually Jeff, a 2-land call is the New York area, not New England,
which is 1-land.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Suffixes to amateur call signs
Date: 8 Oct 1996 04:45:39 GMT
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Anthony R. Gold <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm not sure I understood your comment about New England as my post
>didn't mention a first district call or suffix.

Well, from here in Hawaii, everything east looks like New England.
I don't know what to call the Second District other than the North-
eastern US.

73 from the 13th district,
Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:14 1996
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: The person who helped with Cubic info??????
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:10:49 -0500
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Last week (10/1 - 10/4) I put a plea for help for info on Cubic
Electronics in Ocean Side, Ca. Some very nice gentleman gave me the info
I needed. I have since had a complete system crash and lost ALL my
messages...in fact I lost 2 hard drives with everything on them. The
only thing I remember about the message was that his address started
with something like "HONT"..his name was Loenk (?), The important thing
was, he gave me the name of a guy that had worked for Cubic. He said the
guy still repaired Cubic radios for a fair price. H ealso said the guy
had a fax on during the day but in the evening it was off line. He gave
me the telephone number and all the info I needed. I can't remember
which newsgroup it was in. If he will PLEASE contact me again I would
appreciate it very much. I need the same info again.

I am posting this to all the ham and radio newsgroups to find this good
samaritan again. I sent him a thank you message, but of course that is
also gone now so I can't get the address from there.

Tommy Statham
N5HTQ


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Theory Question
Date: 3 Oct 1996 06:44:12 GMT
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In article <52uu1k$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What Theoretical Meter band has an antenna of infinite gain ?

Zero meters?

KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: To the no-code advocates re: "Sam Morse"
Date: 3 Oct 1996 06:42:00 GMT
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Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I would suggest simply kill-filing or ignoring the pro-code ignoramus
>who insists on posting with th bogus pseudonym and address of "Sam
>Morse" ... it's not "cute" or clever ... it's just a troll ...


You mean Sam Morse KB1AQX?


>It's clear that he cannot be/does not want to be reasoned with and is
>totally unwilling to listen to or accept arguments that go against the
>code, no matter how accurate and factual ...
>so why waste the bandwidth providing gratification to someone who's not
>even committed to his "cause" enough to use his real name and callsign?
>
>Everyone is, of course, free to do what you want, but IMHO your time
>here is better spent debating the issues with people who are at least
>honest enough to correctly identify themselves ...
>73,
>Carl - wa6vse

Be honest yourself, Carl: Tell us once and for all what class license you
hold; you always say "I've passed a code test" & "I've got HF privileges",
but not once do I recall you stating what your license class is. Don't
be ashamed.

If you want others to be honest, you too have to be honest and play
fair (such as following the newsgroup's charter and keeping the code
debate on .policy).

Jeff KH2ZP / KH6


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fred McKenzie)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TS440S PLL UNlock Problem
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 18:47:53 -0400
Organization: NASA, Kennedy Space Center, Florida
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References: <53brmr$[e-mail]>
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In article <53brmr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (DK9XQ) wrote:

> The Display, the decimal points
> are flashing shortly. I think the PLL is unlocked.. Who can give me some
> Repair tips?
> I Think it is a common TS 440S fault.

Johannes-

I understand that Kenwood used some kind of potting material on the TS-440
VCO coils, that becomes conductive with age.  I suppose it might have some
acid in it, that corrodes the coil wire.

This is the most likely theory I've heard about the TS-440 VCO problem.
If true, it is necessary to find a way to remove this material.
Replacement of the coils may be an alternative, if they are available.

73, Fred, K4DII


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:17 1996
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Subject: UHF Equipment Needed!
From: [e-mail]
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 96 17:46:00 EST
Organization: hals
Lines: 21

<> Attention Hams!

  USED or ReConditioned Portable and Mobile Tranceiver Radios WANTED!!!

 PORTABLE: 5w, 2chnl (min), Tone Card, Antenna (Extendable/Rubber)
           2 Battery Pack(s), 1-Charging Unit.

   MOBILE: 25w, 2chnl (min), Tone Card, Antenna (Magnetic/RoofMount),

  Unit(s) should be programable or crystallable for the 460mhz range.
  - They should also include Cigarette Plug Adapter(s).

  We are Offering up to $150.00 for each of these unit(s).

  Anyone in LEGAL possession of this equipment should call the office
  and discuss your terms with them.

... -=[ Gray Investigation Agency * Cleveland, Ohio @ [216] 333-7111 ]=-

---
 ■ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 [NR] ■


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: 3 Oct 1996 05:52:37 GMT
Organization: University of Hawaii
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Ramon Gandia  <[e-mail]> wrote:

(stuff deleted)

Do be more careful, Ramon. Bart did *not* say all of what appears below.
When you edit, make sure the attribution line matches the signature.
Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC wrote:
> > : to say the least, I mean custom call signs for the well off ;-$
> >
> > Another good reason I don't support ARRL unilaterally.




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: VANITY CALAMITY
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]> <53247j$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 14:36:24 GMT
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In article <53247j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>joseph barros <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Just found out that all this fuss about getting applications in on the
>>opening day of gate 2 was a BIG waste of time.  First in first out
>>doesn't apply.  It's a big "lottery" system (as it was described in a
>
>  I agree.  I had read that the first applications received would be the
>first processed, so I made an extra effort (no pun intended :-) to make
>sure mine would be there early.
>
>>WWW page). All info is being entered into a computer and entries will be
>>selected at random and their respective call signs issued.  I thought I
>>remember reading that calls were supposed to be issued on a first come
>>first serve basis!  But, then again I guess the saying, "I'm from the
>
>  Same here, and I'm not very happy about it either.

Well, the system *is* first in, first out, but the firsts are *days*.
That's because the mail is delivered daily in batches, not one letter
at a time all day long.

It would be impossible to determine which letter in a large bag of letters
delivered by the postal authorities (or private equivalents) is "first"
and which is "last" except by some arbitrary selection method. Since
the incoming mail is inevitably delivered in a batch, and that's outside
FCC control, they have to use some arbitrary method to select which has
first priority. A random lottery among each day's receipts seems the
fairest method.

It would be just as much a lottery if they took the first letter at
the top of a mail bag first and the letter at the bottom of the mail
bag last. The relative positions of the letters in the bag would be
no less random. But since the truck delivering the mail no doubt
had many bags, entering them all in the computer first is more fair
than processing them bag at a time since that inevitably favors
those in the bag first opened (which is likely to have been the
last bag loaded on the truck, think about it).

Do you have a better suggestion for prioritizing the letters in
a bag, or group of bags, all delivered at the same time?

Email would sort the entries in time order one by one, but that
order wouldn't necessarily be the order in which they were sent.
I still get Email that was sent days ago thanks to the vagaries
of internet routing and the workings of POP servers. And I seriously
doubt that the FCC's web presence is up to handling 4,500 near
simultaneous logins.

The only feasible alternative I can see would have been to disallow
mail entries altogether and require amateurs to queue up individually
in person outside the door to hand deliver their requuests one at a
time. That would favor amateurs local to the area, of course, and
couldn't be considered fair either in a national system.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:21 1996
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Subject: Re: VANITY CALAMITY
Date: 7 Oct 1996 05:58:45 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>In article <53247j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>joseph barros <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>Just found out that all this fuss about getting applications in on the
>>>opening day of gate 2 was a BIG waste of time.  First in first out
>>>doesn't apply.  It's a big "lottery" system (as it was described in a
>>
>>  I agree.  I had read that the first applications received would be the
>>first processed, so I made an extra effort (no pun intended :-) to make
>>sure mine would be there early.
>>
>>>WWW page). All info is being entered into a computer and entries will be
>>>selected at random and their respective call signs issued.  I thought I
>>>remember reading that calls were supposed to be issued on a first come
>>>first serve basis!  But, then again I guess the saying, "I'm from the
>>
>>  Same here, and I'm not very happy about it either.
>
>Well, the system *is* first in, first out, but the firsts are *days*.
>That's because the mail is delivered daily in batches, not one letter
>at a time all day long.
>
>It would be impossible to determine which letter in a large bag of letters
>delivered by the postal authorities (or private equivalents) is "first"
>and which is "last" except by some arbitrary selection method. Since
>the incoming mail is inevitably delivered in a batch, and that's outside
>FCC control, they have to use some arbitrary method to select which has
>first priority. A random lottery among each day's receipts seems the
>fairest method.
>
>It would be just as much a lottery if they took the first letter at
>the top of a mail bag first and the letter at the bottom of the mail
>bag last. The relative positions of the letters in the bag would be
>no less random. But since the truck delivering the mail no doubt
>had many bags, entering them all in the computer first is more fair
>than processing them bag at a time since that inevitably favors
>those in the bag first opened (which is likely to have been the
>last bag loaded on the truck, think about it).
>
>Do you have a better suggestion for prioritizing the letters in
>a bag, or group of bags, all delivered at the same time?
>
>Email would sort the entries in time order one by one, but that
>order wouldn't necessarily be the order in which they were sent.
>I still get Email that was sent days ago thanks to the vagaries
>of internet routing and the workings of POP servers. And I seriously
>doubt that the FCC's web presence is up to handling 4,500 near
>simultaneous logins.
>
>The only feasible alternative I can see would have been to disallow
>mail entries altogether and require amateurs to queue up individually
>in person outside the door to hand deliver their requuests one at a
>time. That would favor amateurs local to the area, of course, and
>couldn't be considered fair either in a national system.
>
>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


 Well,  when I started this thread, it was pretty ambiguous as to how the whol
e
 thing is being managed (Mellon or the FCC). Looks like after seeing the delay
 post, that it's still pretty much up in the air. Did anybody ever see/read an
ything
 about a 'lottery' before the gate opened? Once they cashed checks, that shoul
d
 have been the price of a lottery ticket. Not this selective malarkey that's g
oing
 on.

                                                    - Jim


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Delay.
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 00:07:41 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I just read the ARRL Bulletin regarding a possible 4 to 5 week
> delay in processing Day-1 applications due to lack of personnel
> to do data entry... Hmmmmm?  I bet I can find, oh say, 4500 people
> who would enter at least one each for free! =)

And the saddest thing about that Bulletin is that it reports that the feds
are surprised at the LACK of numbers of applications.  Wonder how long it
would have taken if the expected number of applications had shown up!

73 Wayne KF5ZC

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Takao KUMAGAI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: VEC Exam in Tokyo(Dec 96)
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We Tokyo-VE Team of W5YI-VEC will have the VEC exam as follows;

DATE: December 01 '96(Sun)
TIME: 13:00-16:30JST
PLACE: #8 conference room of Mitaka City Office.
Direction:
1. From JR Mitaka station, take the bus route #54for Sengawa/Kyorin
   Univ. Hospital, 15mins
2. From JR(or Keio Inokashira Line) Kichijoji station, take the
   bus route #01,06,07,14 &92 for Musashi-sakai/Chofu, 15mins
   BUS STOP; MITAKA CITY HALL(MITAKA SHIYAKUSYO MAE)
   Parking will be available.
REGISTRATION:
All applicants are requested to make the registration with the FORM-AP1
in advance one week prior to exam date. No one may be able to take the
exam without the advance registration.
Non American citizen who does not hold valid CSCE or FCC license is
requested to show the actual plan to operate from USA and their
possessions. The VEC Exam is open for any person who has actual plan to
operate from USA.

Please contact Tack KUMAGAI, KH0AM/JE1CKA for more information.
email           [e-mail]
Handy Phone     [phone](after 7pm)
FAX             0423-93-4449(24hours)
        ---------
        Tack Kumagai JE1CKA/KH0AM
        TEL:[phone], FAX:[phone]
        Internet: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:23 1996
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From: Michael J Wooding <[e-mail]>
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Hi There,

To all our subscribers, please note that issue 3/1996 inland and surface
has been shipped over the last 2 days. Air mail deliveries will be
shipped tomorrow (07/10/96).

An index of the contents of this issue can be found on our WWW sites, as
can details of subscribing to the magazine for anyone who may be
interested.

http://www.eolas.co.uk/ag/vhfcomm.htm
http://www.clearlight.com/~vhfcomm
http://www.g6iqm.demon.co.uk/vhfcomm.htm

73 ... Mike

--
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KM Publications, 5 Ware Orchard, Barby, Nr.Rugby, CV23 8UF, UK
Tel: [phone]     Fax: [phone]
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Walt Davidson)
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Michael J Wooding <[e-mail]> wrote:

>An index of the contents of this issue can be found on our WWW sites, as
>can details of subscribing to the magazine for anyone who may be
>interested.

Now that *is* coming very close to "commercial advertising on Usenet",
Mike!

:-)

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson               E-mail: [e-mail]
                                    [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (J. Grand)
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Subject: Were you at Hosstraders/Rochester flea market?
Date: 6 Oct 1996 17:05:32 GMT
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Did you have a table at the Hosstraders/Rochester, NH flea market this past
weekend (Oct. 4 and 5)?

I'm looking for someone who was there selling a Ms. Pac Man PCB and the Midway
schematics manual. He was also selling milage counters for bikes and walkers.

I know this isn't really amateur radio related, but since it WAS a ham-radio
flea market, this might be the place I can find that person.

If, by chance, you are that person, or know who that person was, PLEASE
respond via e-mail to [e-mail]. It's important. Thanks a lot!

Joe
[e-mail]





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From: [e-mail] (Howard Watson)
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Subject: Re: What a Wonderful Life.
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 11:00:19 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:



>You are right. Hams pee in their pants if something interesting occurs
>in their meaninless little lives.


As the Ultimate Typical Ham (henceforth referred to as the UTH) you
speak with authority, AND I am willing to bet, not a small amount of
experience.
Howard B. Watson Jr. - N3TNQ - [e-mail] - Springfield, OH



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:28 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: What a Wonderful Life.
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 05:51:37 -0400
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EMTP4355 wrote:
>
> I wish people would put it in the subject title that a post is related to
> this Burt person.

You are right. Hams pee in their pants if something interesting occurs
in their meaninless little lives.
                  .-.
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     ( <
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:29 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What features for 2M mobile?
Date: 7 Oct 1996 00:55:33 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Grady Russell) writes:
>
>  With the purchase of a 2m mobile in the near future, was wanting a little
>  input on features to look for. I haven't decided between just a 2M or a
>  2M/70cm unit...the deciding factor will be cost. So what type of features
>  will I look for? What are mandatory and what are just added features. Any
>  help on this appreciated...if you can, explain why! I'm new to this and
>  willing to learn.
>
>  TIA,
>  Grady Russell
>  KF4LDO

a back lite microphone..especially useful when dtmf'g at night

display that shows when lite by durect sunlight

something that can be remote mounted...most cars don't have
the spare to mount a whole unit up front

a microphone that allows some remote functions...changing between
memory and VFO  possibly power levels, etc

built in ctcss decoding..encoding would be nice, but not necessary


if you can, try for the dual band.  it's usually not that much more.

good luck  have fun

steve KF2TI


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Patty Winter)
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Subject: Re: What is HAM
Date: 10 Oct 1996 13:35:11 -0700
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A great deal of the confusion could be avoided if everyone remembered
that it's not "HAM," but "ham." Incorrectly spelling it uppercase makes
it look like an acronym, thus causing people to run around trying to
find out what it's an acronym for!


Patty

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What is HAM
Date: 11 Oct 1996 01:56:16 GMT
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[e-mail] (mossmann frederic) wrote:
>
>Hello...
>
>  NO NO NO, it's NOT a joke...
>
>   I'm a french HAM [F1UIH] and I want to know something...
>
>     What is HAM ???
>
>      H.A.M. ???


It's actually an acronym for YE OLDE FAHRTZ who refuse to give up on that
19th century communications mode known as "Morse Code."

H.A.M.  =

Holding (onto) Ancient Modes


You're welcome

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



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From: steve <[e-mail]>
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mossmann frederic wrote:
>
> Hello...
>
>   NO NO NO, it's NOT a joke...
>
>    I'm a french HAM [F1UIH] and I want to know something...
>
>      What is HAM ???
>
>       H.A.M. ???
>
> OK, it's a stupid question for you, but I ask many french HAMs, and...
>  "Euhhh... It's Radio-Amateur..."
>  "But why H.A.M."
>  "Because... euhhh... I don't know"
>
> [ not found in the rec.radio.amateur.misc FAQ ]
>
>     Thank you...    73 from France...
>
>       Frederic Mossmann - Strasbourg - France - F1UIH

i was told there was a magazine around 1908 called Home Amateur Mechanic.
hope this helps.
73 steve


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] (Spew Durigan) spewed:

>It's actually an acronym for YE OLDE FAHRTZ who refuse to give up on that
>19th century communications mode known as "Morse Code."

>H.A.M.  =

>Holding (onto) Ancient Modes

>You're welcome

>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM

In your case Spew, HAM = Homely Ass Monkeyboy.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What the big guys think of Burt Fisher
Date: 7 Oct 1996 12:06:40 GMT
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Patrick Cook <[e-mail]> wrote:

>And that leads me to this, Burt:  If you HATE the hobby as much you
have
>expressed, then why not just sell your equipment and turn in your
>license???


Welcome to "the wonderful world of Burt", Patrick! <g>

Burt is a professional troll.  He enjoys nothing more than posting
frivolous and inflammatory statements on here in order to get a reaction
out of others.

Just ignore him.


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM




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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
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>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:
>  Patrick Cook <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>  >And that leads me to this, Burt:  If you HATE the hobby as much you
>  have
>  >expressed, then why not just sell your equipment and turn in your
>  >license???
>
>
>  Welcome to "the wonderful world of Burt", Patrick! <g>
>
>  Burt is a professional troll.  He enjoys nothing more than posting
>  frivolous and inflammatory statements on here in order to get a reaction
>  out of others.
>
>  Just ignore him.
>
>
>  -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
>   KF4DDM


WAIT A MINUTE!!!  Carl called me a troll.  I want out.  I thought this would
be fun, but not associated with anyone from Cape Codfish.

Carl, I resign from the trollship you so graciously bestowed upon me.

steve, former troll, but still spellchecker and FUD counter from his
Lordship..The King of Carl  Electronic meister supreme
>
>
>>>>



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From: Andrew C Robertson <[e-mail]>
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Drew Durigan wrote:
>
> Burt is a professional troll.

No, Burt is an amateur troll.  Typical.

drewbob    aa1hx


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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I spend nothing on ham radio. I hate to waste money.
>I do not need what hams need (the pictures mentioned above).
>I have the real thing.

If you dislike Amateur Radio so much, why are you reading and posting
in this newsgroup?

-

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From: [e-mail] (EMTP4355)
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Subject: Re: What the big guys think of hams.(Burt posting)
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I wish people would put it in the subject title that a post is related to
this Burt person.

Joseph K Murphy, EMT-P                                        KF4KEK
[e-mail]                                                EM75RW

                                    Harriman, TN  USA


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From: Daniel Velez <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: When are Vanity callsigns open to General
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Bea and Marvin Jones wrote:
>
> David Barnes ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : I'm a general class with no relatives or other reason to lay claim to a
> : previous callsign.
>
> : When will I be able to apply for a vanity callsign?
>
> Well, uh, 11 days ago.
>
> Jonesy
Well, uh, I don't think so...next is gate 3 for advanced class...not yet
announced (that I'm aware of) and then gate 4 for all others, I believe.
--
Dan

     Daniel Velez | Aoooga!       Aoooga!
  [e-mail] |
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (dwh)
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Subject: WTB:  DC3 POWER SUPPLY FOR A DRAKE TR4
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Hello,
  I have a friend that is looking for a DC3 Power Supply for the Drake
TR4 Transceiver.  If you have one for sale, please email me and let me
know what you want for it.  I will pass along the info to KA5JNL.

Thanks
AB5LG




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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:40 1996
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From: "jim" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: YAESU 51R MOD
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i am trying to locate a  mod that  someone told me about, it is suppose to
open the rx of the radio from around 75 up to 999mhz. i heard it was called
"the mother of all mod" if any one knows of it please let me know.
thank you


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From: [e-mail] (Robert F. Good)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yaesu Owners: extraterrestrial frequency!
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Steve Turner <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Robert F. Good wrote:
> >
> > "JRW4" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > >Wanna hear aliens -- as in, from outer space?
> > >
> > >Well, I found the frequency for you to monitor -- but only if you
>have a
> > >Yaesu HT.
> > >
> > >Punch in 897.25 Mhz -- you'll see what I mean.
> > >
> > I don't hear a thing on my FT-50R.  I assume that you are having fun
> > with the readers of this group.
> >
> > Bob, AE4XG
>
>
>Those DTMF tones play the famous riff from the movie
>"Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind".  You can do the
>same thing on a telephone by dialing 89725.
>
>
>--
> Steve Turner    KC5LCS
> [e-mail]


Oh, I see, I just take things too literally and I had my "beep" off.

Thanks, Bob


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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
,snip>
: >
: >No, where I think it needs strengthening is in operating practices;
: >things like radio etiquette, radio lore, perhaps some history and
: >tradition; good operating (no lids, no kids...), etc.  Many hams
: >today, quite a few with extra class calls, are doing nothing but
: >yelling, shouting and using apalling language on the air.  20 meters
: >is often a zoo.
: >
: >We need to get these zoological creatures off the air, and perhaps
: >a written test that addresses the issue better might be the way to
: >"stiffen" up the ham radio written exam.

: I'm afraid that's not the answer. Many of these "zoological creatures"
: of which you speak are Extras with many years tenure in the amateur
: service. They have had ample opportunity to learn better ways of
: operating than they exhibit. It's not that they are unaware of good
: amateur practice, it is that they deliberately flout it. So a test
: of the sort you suggest would be of no value.

: For the vast majority of amateurs, peer pressure and good example
: have served well to establish good operating behaviors. For the
: few "zoological creatures" to which much reference is made, these
: tools have failed. Only strong enforcement action will correct
: this situation.

  My casual listening on 20 makes me think that the situation has
improved from some years ago, when the service nets were driven off
14.313 MHz by intentional abusive interference.  It took a long time
to get enforcement action in a handful of cases, but it seems to
have been effective against a much larger group than the few who
were penalized.  We do need the FCC to do enforcement.  Maybe
there will be a change in the political climate this fall that
will filter through to a regulatory agency like FCC.

  If it does, I certainly hope it hits the way Gary advocates,
and not in silly petty actions against occasional slips of the
tongue.  I agree with everything Gary Coffman says about this
matter.

K8EF

--
Gerry


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:45 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Zoological creatures  was(question for carl and the no code group
Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 17:57:52 -0800
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Gerard Foley wrote:
>
> Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:
> ,snip>
> : >
> : >No, where I think it needs strengthening is in operating practices;
> : >things like radio etiquette, radio lore, perhaps some history and
> : >tradition; good operating (no lids, no kids...), etc.  Many hams
> : >today, quite a few with extra class calls, are doing nothing but
> : >yelling, shouting and using apalling language on the air.  20 m
> : >is often a zoo.
> : >
> : >We need to get these zoological creatures off the air, and perhaps
> : >a written test that addresses the issue better might be the way to
> : >"stiffen" up the ham radio written exam.
>
> : I'm afraid that's not the answer. Many of these "zoological creatures"
> : of which you speak are Extras with many years tenure in the amateur
> : service. They have had ample opportunity to learn better ways of
> : operating than they exhibit. It's not that they are unaware of good
> : amateur practice, it is that they deliberately flout it. So a test
> : of the sort you suggest would be of no value.
>
> : For the vast majority of amateurs, peer pressure and good example
> : have served well to establish good operating behaviors. For the
> : few "zoological creatures" to which much reference is made, these
> : tools have failed. Only strong enforcement action will correct
> : this situation.
>
>   My casual listening on 20 makes me think that the situation has
> improved from some years ago, when the service nets were driven off
> 14.313 MHz by intentional abusive interference.  It took a long time
> to get enforcement action in a handful of cases, but it seems to
> have been effective against a much larger group than the few who
> were penalized.  We do need the FCC to do enforcement.  Maybe
> there will be a change in the political climate this fall that
> will filter through to a regulatory agency like FCC.
>
>   If it does, I certainly hope it hits the way Gary advocates,
> and not in silly petty actions against occasional slips of the
> tongue.  I agree with everything Gary Coffman says about this
> matter.

Hi Gary,
I am the one that started the Zoological classification.  Your
message attribute is not quite correct....!  I am guilty of
"snipping" too much from time to time too!

You are right, things are better on 14,313 than they used to be,
or on 3995 since the K1MAN fiasco.

By the way, in days when I should have known better, I sent K1MAN a
51S1 Collins receiver for repairs, he quoted me $300 to fix, and
then refused to send it back when I thought it was too much.

Anyone know where I can get a hold of this joker now?   I am older
and wiser, but in those days, before the FCC action, K1MAN was
respectable....then turned radical....then even took my radio!

You are right about peer pressure and example.  But a lot of the
fellows starting out do not really have an elmer, but simply study
from a book.  I was one of those, as my 'elmer' was a phone man,
and I was not particularly interested in phone.  But, I did have
good books, including the ARRL license manual, the novice manual,
and the Boy Scouts books.

This is why a few questions on those things would at least force the
applicant to have read some text and prepare for those questions.

Q.  What is the correct phraseology used in acknowleging correct
    reception of a transmission?

        1. "Ten-Four, good buddy."
        2. "Message received and understood."
        3. "Roger."
        4. "Roger, Wilco."

as an example of one such questions.  More, surely, can be devised.

Ramon, AL7X   [ To foil SpamBots, my address is not machine readable.
Nome, Alaska  [ Please reply to:   rfg.at.nome.dot.net


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 12 11:58:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bert)
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Cecil Moore <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> Only the very brilliant few will remain useful

>As long as they know Morse code, there is nothing to fear. :-)

Heh heh heh heh  <ROFLMAO>

One has to sometimes wonder if we would but only send a handful of
well versed Amateurs (with keys in hand) to the third world, could we
end poverty and plage in one fell sweep?


Bert Burland aka N5TOA / From The Texas Panhandle
EMail-([e-mail]) Fido-NetMail-(Sysop@1:3825/24)



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:08 1996
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From: arsenaul@lss1105 (Brian Arsenault)
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Subject: 1996 Jamboree On The Air
Date: 15 Oct 1996 19:15:23 GMT
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 JOTA 96 INFORMATION and INTERNET in the FIELD!

  Worcester Explorer Post 73, an amateur radio explorer post, will operate
  its radio station, KB1BUF, in the field at Treasure Valley, Paxton, Mass.
  Field set up will include 10 through 80 meter stations. A 2 meter packet
  station providing internet access from switch.worcester will also be
  installed.

  Post members will operate without commercial power but will be provided
  with elecrical power from gasoline powered generators.

 TECHNICAL INFORMATION:

  HF STATION
  ----------

  Callsign:  KB1BUF
  Transceiver: Swan 350 or Icom IC-730
  Antenna: 3 Element Beam for 10, 15, and 20 meters
           1/2 wavelength Dipole for 40 and 80 meters
  Operational Hours:  October 19, 2pm local - October 20, 4pm local

  REMOTE IP STATION
  -----------------

  Station Callsign: KB1BUF
  Internet Address: KB1BUF.AMPR.ORG.
  IP NUMBER: 44.56.12.215
  Transmitter RF PWR: 25 Watts
  Antenna: 3 Element Yagi
  Direction: East Towards Worcester
  Operational Hours: October 19, 8AM - October 20, 12PM ET.
  Connection Protos: TELNET TTY AX25/KB1BUF-2
                     CONVERSE ch/773  SMTP: [e-mail]


 JOTA Site: BSA Reservation Treasure Valley, Paxton Massachusetts.
            Aprox 10-12 miles west of Switch.Worcester.Ampr.Org.

 If you would like more information, please contact:

   Brian Arsenault, N1FIY ----  [e-mail]
   Roger Demers, NE1C --------  [e-mail]
   Wayne McMahon, N1MPY ------  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:08 1996
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From: Glenn Letts <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 1996 Jamboree On The Air
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:50:30 -0500
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Potawatomi Council, Wisconsin will also be on HF, 6m and 2m Sat 19 Oct
from 9AM till 2PM CDT using the call WA9BPG.  Listen for us.

Glenn
N9NLO




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Perens AB6YM)
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Subject: 2305-2310 MHz Amateur Band to be SOLD!
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Unfortunately, the omnibus budget bill recently signed into law contained
a reallocation of our 2305-2310 MHz band, to be sold to the highest bidder.
FCC and ARRL were not consulted.

I have set up a web page with more information. Please see
http://www.hams.com/Defense, and pass the information in that web page
to your local Amateur club, and to any Amateurs you speak with.

If you are unable to access the web, please send mail to [e-mail] .
A copy of the Frequency Defense Bulletin will be forwarded to you.

        Many Thanks

        Bruce Perens AB6YM


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:10 1996
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From: Danny <[e-mail]>
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286 laptop
zenith 286 laptop computer super-port
40 mb hard drive,crt for (rgb,cga)
comes with mouse,printer port,ext.fdd
andext bus with lap caple.battery in good con.
call Danny at [phone]
[e-mail]
         thanks


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
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Subject: 3000+ Vintage Manuals Available at sarrio.com
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If you need a source for vintage radio manuals Ham/scanner/military/and
commercial visit "The Raymond Sarrio Company" web site at
http://www.sarrio.com. I have over 3000 manuals listed on-line. I can
normally get manuals shipped within 2 business days, and I guarantee 100%
customer satisfaction.  73's Ray
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site
developer. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar
provider of discount CD-Roms!
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
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If you need a source for vintage radio manuals Ham/scanner/military/and
commercial visit "The Raymond Sarrio Company" web site at

                        http://www.sarrio.com.

I have over 3000 manuals listed on-line. I can normally get manuals
shipped within 2 business days, and I guarantee 100% customer
satisfaction.  73's Ray
--
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:12 1996
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From: Jay123a <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 435 Reapeater in So Cal
Date: 12 Oct 96 23:44:07 GMT
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God Bless you Frank KEK, tell them like it is, Hose says hello.

Jay.



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From: richard <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 435 Reapeater in So Cal
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 01:19:39 -0700
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Jay123a wrote:
>
> God Bless you Frank KEK, tell them like it is, Hose says hello.
>
> Jay.Hey Jay Frank KD6KEK doesnt have Internet access so why are you trying
to write him in a Newsgroup? Besides each time you mention 435
in this newsgroup it just get's people's blood boiling. hehe!
Ill pass the word on to KEK for you. Thanks for writing Hose.

73 N6UZS aka "Da Buzz"
PS. If Robert Casey WA2ISE is reading this don't get all excited.
Nothing controversial to read.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:14 1996
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Does anyone have the mod. to increase the receive part of the 706.

Thanks in advance!


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Hugh Duff)
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Subject: 73 e-mail address ?
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Need to correspond with 73 magazine to obtain some back issues.
Anyone have their e-mail address ?

Thanks, Hugh



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:16 1996
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From: Edward Oros <[e-mail]>
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Hugh Duff wrote:
>
> Need to correspond with 73 magazine to obtain some back issues.
> Anyone have their e-mail address ?
>
> Thanks, Hugh
Try

   [e-mail]


Ed-AC3L


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Adam Greenberg N3NKI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 855 MHz receiver
Date: 18 Oct 1996 23:52:29 GMT
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Summary: Looking for a paging receiver...

I'm looking for a single-channel, pager type receiver for 855.085
but I don't want a tone-controlled one...I want a squelch controlled one.

Know where to look?

--Adam L. Greenberg
  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:18 1996
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From: Bjarke Korsgaard <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 9600 baud packet on FT5100...
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:47:57 -0700
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Hello Radio Amateur freaks

Do anyone know if it is possible to make the YAESU FT5100 run 9600 baud
packet? How do I make the modifications? All hints are pleased.


Yours faithfully

OZ2BKK (from Denmark in Scandinavia)


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fabrizio Sartoni)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: A TELNET DX-Oriented Prg: The Global DXCluster
Date: 17 Oct 1996 16:41:08 GMT
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Hi dear OMs and TNX for reading my msg.

Recently, I see that many OMs (me included),
access DXclusters via Telnet with dialup line.
This is great indeed but common telnet applications,
obviously, were not designed for us but fore more general
purposes.

I'm currently developing a DX-Oriented Telnet application for
Windows and Winsock 1.1 compatible TCP stack.
My targets are:
-A split tx window with recall of sent lines (*)
-A keepalive feature to avoid timeouts (*)
-A Copy/Paste feature allowing to send large messages
or bulletins in one shot (*)
-A data link to DXHUNTER which is an application that
performs alerts on New Ones (*).
-A DX-Spot window where to collect the last DX-spots
-A Talk window where to place incoming talks apart
-Automatic connection/reconnection (in case of accidental
disconnections) to the selected cluster via an unlimited
number of intermediate nodes
-An automatic talk reply function that automatically answers
to incoming talks when NOHERE.

Note that the function marked with (*) have already been
implemented and work perfectly in my tests.

This application will allow you to get the best from one
(or more simultaneous) connection to a DXCluster,
with continuous connection monitoring and resume in case
of disconnection.
In a few words: the Global DX Cluster.
(in the last tests I connected simultaneously to 10 different
clusters all over the world without problems).

You might find this not so useful because it requires at
least a dialup line and an Internet subscription, or just
because you use TNC+radio to reach your local cluster;
but I believe that the DX-Telnet could be a good idea also
for rare cases (such as contests) when you may desire to
have a clean, quick and strong connection to the cluster,
avoiding traffic delays and disconnections.

Please let me know if you're interested in such a project:
I want a direct feedback from you, with new ideas and
opinions.
If I get encouraged, i'll make further developments to
the "DX-Telnet" and maybe will make your DX-life a little
bit happier and easier!

73 & GD DX de Fab

Please send your comments to Fabrizio Sartoni (IK4VYX):
[e-mail] (radio BBS)
or [e-mail] (Internet E-mail)



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:20 1996
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From: "J. Miner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: About KPC-3 TNC ???
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Petronet Networks wrote:
>
Try the kantronics home page:

http://www.kantronics.com

73 de Jon N2XFZ

>      Hello!
>      I am need information about KPC-3 TNC.
>      E-mail, please.
>      Thanks
>      73! Konstantin, RK1NA ex UN1CD


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:20 1996
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From: JBOWES@CEU (JBOWES)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur clubs in Praha, CZ ???
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:18:58
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Dear all,

Please if there are any Czech amateur's out there that know of any radio
clubs in the Praha area please contact me. I can speak czech, and am
interested in all amateur radio and other communications - air band and
satellite monitoring. Please mail me direct or call me. There are hams out
there I can see the antennas all over the place !!!

Thanks for youe time !

jonathan


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: amateur news groups?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Max Soucia ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Can anyone tell me where I can find an up to date list of newsgroups
: for ham radio, esp QRP?

There is no newsgroup for QRP, but there is a very active mailing list.
Given that most of what is in any newsgroup today is 90% crap, I'm beginning
to be a believer in mailing lists.

e-mail to [e-mail]

subscribe QRP-L

73 de Jim - KF6CR




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tayfun Can)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur Radio Clubs in Tehran, Iran
Date: 15 Oct 96 14:34:24 GMT
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I am going to Iran in the next week or so and would like to schedule a QSO
with a ham I know back here in Canada. We both agreed that this would be
an interesting attempt. I have three questions  :

1. Is this legal for a Canadian Ham ? I don't want any guesses. I want
   the facts only please.

2. Can any one provide me with a complete address of any Ham Radio operators
   or Clubs located in Tehran, Iran.

3. Has anyone done what I want to do here ?

Any information would be greatly appreciated. Please email me at :

                [e-mail]

Regards,

Maiko Langelaaar,
VE4KLM

--

+--------------------------+-------------------------------+
| Tayfun Can               | e-mail: [e-mail] |
| SLM Software Inc.        |                               |
| 500-1780 Wellington Ave. |                               |


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:23 1996
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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur Radio Exam session, Smithfield, NC
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 15:21:37 -0700
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The next scheduled Amateur Radio exam session in Smithfield NC is
this coming Saturday, Oct. 19.

The Triangle East Amateur Radio Association (TEARA) holds monthly
amateur radio exams In Smithfield NC. The tests are held upstairs
in the Smithfield Public Library at the corner of Market St. and
3rd St. The tests are on the 3rd Saturday of each month. There is
no pre-registration requirement, and test registration begins at
9:30 A.M. sharp. 610 forms are supplied, and the test fee for 1996
is $6.05. The applicant must bring photo ID, any licenses/CSCE's
that they have, as well as photocopies of same.

Talk-in is on the following repeaters (they are linked full time):
147.39+ PL 88.5 in Clayton, 442.400+ in Wendell, and 147.30+ PL
88.5 in Wilson. Further information can usually be obtained on the
above repeaters, or drop an email to the adress below.

The schedule for the remainder of 1996 is as follows: Oct. 19,
Nov. 16, and Dec. 21.
--
Dave Hockaday WB4IUY
[e-mail]
http://www.ipass.net/~teara/


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Fort)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: amateur tcp/ip packet - how should it be done?
Date: 19 Oct 1996 04:45:31 GMT
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First I'd like to thank and compliment those who have given so much
of their time and effort to developing the code base of amateur radio
software, especially those who've contributed to ka9q nos and it's
dirivitives.  With the recent or maybe not so recent availability of
386 or better computers able to run windows or public unix varients
for $200-300 used (less if your patient) I've begun to wonder if it may
be time for the amateur tcp/ip community to move on and use more capible
and easier to setup/use software.  for use as a server linux was easier to
install and setup than nos and I've had less (read NO) problems with
bugs under linux.  NT is another solution for a packet server.  For a
client Windows 3.x, 95, and NT have software available to bind the winsock
tcp/ip stack (ie trumpet) to your packet radio hardware.  This allows
any application that can be run over the internet to be run over packet.
some that come to mind could be digital voice (linking distant repeaters
over packet), iphone; www (client and server) ; file transfer, ftp; remote
login, telnet n rlogin; irc, (chat); and others.  the posibilities are
limitless.  so where do we go from here, what should be done to bring paocket
into the 21st centuruy?  I open this for discussion and would like to see your
comments posted here.

73,

kd6glp
44.18.0.97
--
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:28 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Anti-code Net Nuts
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:40:57
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The only reason you see so much of the Anti-code klan on the net is
because most of them are bored with what little they can do on the
ham bands. Carl is where he should be, here on the net with his
little group of cult followers, all the time thinking he is being
listened to with any seriousness. This place is like packet, A big
waste of time. As for me I'll be on 40 cw. So-long Net Nuts!



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:29 1996
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From: steve <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anti-code Net Nuts
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 20:30:51 -0700
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Michael Herron wrote:
>
> The only reason you see so much of the Anti-code klan on the net is
> because most of them are bored with what little they can do on the
> ham bands. Carl is where he should be, here on the net with his
> little group of cult followers, all the time thinking he is being
> listened to with any seriousness. This place is like packet, A big
> waste of time. As for me I'll be on 40 cw. So-long Net Nuts!

GOOD-BYE AND GOOD LUCK
BORED ON 50.110-1296.1


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:30 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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SB SPCL @ ARL $ARLX018
ARLX018 Oldest LW transmitter

ZCZC AX64
QST de W1AW
Special Bulletin 18  ARLX018
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 15, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB SPCL ARL ARLX018
ARLX018 Oldest LW transmitter

The world's only working Alexanderson alternator will broadcast this
month from Sweden on 17.2 kHz. A nostalgic Morse code transmission at
0900 UTC on October 23 from station SAQ in Grimeton on Sweden's west
coast will commemorate the declaration of the radio station as an
historic building. The RCA Alexanderson alternator was built in 1924.
The SAQ site, complete with six antenna towers and the 200 kW
transmitter, are under the care and management of Telia Mobitel, a
Swedish mobile telephone company, and the radio museum of the Radio
Historical Society of West Sweden, which operates club station SK6RM.
Ulf Sjoden, SM6CVE, has helped to organize the event.

SAQ also will transmit a test on October 21, at approximately 1100
UTC. SAQ requests listener reports of both the test and the
commemorative message via telephone at 46-340-74251 or fax at
46-340-74195. Callers will be reimbursed for the cost of the call.
The operator at SAQ is Bengt Dugaas, who is not a ham.

The Alexanderson alternator was developed during the early years of
wireless by Ernst Alexanderson, a Swedish-American. The device is
essentially a large, electromechanical high-frequency alternator with
a high-speed rotor that's connected directly to an antenna system. A
similar station once operated on Long Island. The circuit was used to
transmit telegrams and messages between Europe and the US.

Last fall, Amateur Radio station 7S6SAQ operated from the SAQ site to
celebrate 100 years of radio and the 70th anniversary of the radio
station (see ''Up Front,'' QST, Nov 95 , p 14, for a picture of the
Alexanderson alternator and the antenna system). During September
1995, SAQ itself transmitted a message to England which was relayed
via landline from a BBC monitoring station to those attending a ''100
Years of Radio'' conference in London.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:32 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Elections a Sham, AGAIN!
Date: 11 Oct 1996 22:11:12 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Clint Bradford) writes:
>
>  >>The "sin" which Mr. Ruh committed which
>  >>prevented  us from having the opportunity to vote for the much needed
>  >>change was that he "made money off or Amateur Radio through his
>  >>magazine."
>
>  SO - since Ruh KNEW the rules, why didn't he make the appropriate calls
>  to the ARRL and state his case? And see if an exception was warranted?


He did. The completion of the sale was PENDING.  The rules state that
Ruh had to be completely divested of his interest by the time of the
submission.  It was not therefore, he was disqualified.  According to Mr Rih,
he
notified the ARRL of the PENDING yet not completed sale.  Therefore the
disqualification

So what's the problem BUB???


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Elections a Sham, AGAIN!
Date: Wed,  9 Oct 1996 18:22:00 GMT
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>>The "sin" which Mr. Ruh committed which
>>prevented  us from having the opportunity to vote for the much needed
>>change was that he "made money off or Amateur Radio through his
>>magazine."

SO - since Ruh KNEW the rules, why didn't he make the appropriate calls
to the ARRL and state his case? And see if an exception was warranted?


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Maass)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL Elections a Sham, AGAIN!
Date: 11 Oct 1996 10:09:28 -0400
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William C. (Bill) Wells ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Gentlemen:

: I just received my ballot in the biannual exercise in futility known as
: the ARRL elections.

: Here in the Central Division we were again offered no alternative in the
: "race" for Division Director.  The only name on the ballot was that of
: the incumbent.  This is not because other candidates did not present
: themselves, though!

: There was at least one other candidate that I know of who had the
: required number of signatures on a petition who outwardly, at least,
: fulfilled all the requirements to run in the election.  But, since his
: politics did not pass muster, the headquarters staff found some arcane
: rule which barred his running in the election.

Would you like to tell us what "...arcane rule..." barred his running?
Your claim above carries no weight without some "meat": this is a
"content-free" accusation!


: We NEED to vote out ALL incumbents and continue to do so in EVERY
: election until these guys all know that they serve us and not the other
: way around and that politics as usual is no longer acceptable.

Certainly not based on anything you stated above.
--
Jeff Maass       ([e-mail])      Amateur Radio K8ND
      USPSA/IPSC # L-1192   NROI/CRO          NW of Columbus Ohio


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ted Thompson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Best way to learn code?
Date: 16 Oct 1996 13:26:59 GMT
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc.
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
NNTP-Posting-Host: blv-pm100-ip14.halcyon.com

I am ready (again!) to make a full fledged effort to learn code.  I have a
Macintosh computer.

Can anyone suggest a good program.  Is Supermorse or Morse academy usable
on MAC?

Thanks.


Ted

--
Secret for longevity:  "Keep moving and don't let 'em get a bead on you".

Web page:  http://www.halcyon.com/tedt/


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:38 1996
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From: "Pat Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Burt Writes to Me
Date: 16 Oct 1996 01:19:21 GMT
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Burt writes to me in Email, but left out one line, which I re-inserted,
the following:

Pat Wilson wrote:
>
> But Andrew, to Bert, that is a female.  He blows one up every night so he
> will have someone with whom to converse.

>Blow Bert, Blow.


Do not transfer to me what you do or need to do.

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


Nice comeback Bert........I'll have to remember that one.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callsign Patterns
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 23:54:28 GMT
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Hans Brakob wrote:
> At some time in the past it seems that FCC may have had a formal
> or informal policy of assigning calls to some entities based on
> a predetermined pattern.
>
> For example, a lot of club stations at universities have calls in
> the pattern "W#Y$" (1x2, W prefix, with "Y" as the first letter in
> the suffix).  There are a lot of those still around and I can
> remember many more in the past which probably are expired. Examples
> are W1YA, W1YU, W0YC.

I've seen something official on those prefixes, and they predate the W
prefix.  I know X calls were experimental, and Y were technical and
training schools.  Z was something too, but I don't remember what.

There was at one time a broadcast regulation preventing the assignment
of calls ending in "USA", the initials of a federal agency, or the
initials of a living president.  As you probably know in the Twin
Cities, this one has been repealed.  I don't think it ever existed as
a formal reg for the amateur service, but it seems to have been an
informal policy.

73 Doug




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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 15 Oct 96 20:42:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Subject: Can Amatuer Radio survive
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K>Will it be alive, as we know it, in 10-20 yrs.?   Your opinions please.

I just hope the service continues in this shape through the coming sun
spot cycle.  After that, there's not much hope.

---
   OLX 1.53   ...73 DE:  [e-mail]

--


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Will it be alive, as we know it, in 10-20 yrs.?   Your opinions please.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:41 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Can Amatuer Radio survive ?
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 96 01:33:59 -0500
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<[e-mail]> writes:

>7)  The lack of young people is starkly evident on 20M SSB.  This sounds
>like a combination geriatric ward/retirement community.  It is nearly
>impossible to work anyone on 20M who is not retired.  This is evidence

BS


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Can Amatuer Radio survive ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <53o7dk$[e-mail]> <53olqo$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]
m> writes:
>CW or not, what is the big deal about HF??   Why should we care?

It is the poor man's submarine cable or geosync satellite relay.
Amateurs can't afford to do continental or intercontinental networking
the same way the big commercial outfits do. Our networks are sparse,
we can't afford to setup a microwave relay site every 30 miles or lay
underground fiber, and we can't afford to lay submarine cables either.
We have satellites, but their capacity is limited, and since they are
low orbit, latency and availability are unsatisfactory. Geosync remains
financially out of our reach, and likely will remain out of our reach
for a long time to come. That leaves HF as our only long haul alternative.
It is equivalent to about $100 million in geosync satellite capacity.

Our VHF+ spectrum is very valuable, and growing more so daily, but
it can't substitute for HF when we need long haul communications.
Most activity at VHF+ faces only an AGWN environment, and that's
the easiest one to master. So VHF+ doesn't offer the challenge to
the developer that HF offers. HF is a far from benign environment,
and strongly challenges us to design equipment that can deal with
its rigors while still maintaining good throughput. That makes it
interesting.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Can Amatuer Radio survive ?
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In article <53o7dk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Will it be alive, as we know it, in 10-20 yrs.?   Your opinions please.

Depends on what you mean by "as we know it". If it remains the backward
looking old man's *hobby* it has become, I think it will be mostly gone
in 20 years. But if we can reinvigorate the service and bring it back to
its charter purposes as a self-directed experimental laboratory and
training ground for our future technologists and communications specialists,
I think it will be going strong in 20 years.

Sadly, too many of today's operators are so far from the cutting
edge of communications technology they can't even see it. Rather
than eagerly exploring and adopting newer techniques more relevant
to today's technical needs, too many are fighting a rearguard action
to keep new methods and ideas out of amateur radio. That's directly
in opposition to the reason the amateur service was created.

To a large extent, amateur radio was intended as a job training
program, IE to create and maintain a ready pool of operators skilled
in the radio arts. It does little good to train old men, and even
less good to train them in obsolescent technique. The amateur service
needs to get lots younger over the next 20 years, as it was in earlier
times when large numbers of amateurs were in their teens and early
twenties. And the techniques it needs to emphasize are those of most
modern application in the communications field, IE those which
remain in demand *outside* of amateur radio.

Amateur radio was intended to advance the radio arts, but today
the advances in the radio arts are primarily digital and often
revolve around networking. Some amateurs have contributed to that
advance, but too many have fought it. That too needs to change.

Almost uniquely, US amateur radio has a public service and
emergency communications charge missing from the international
definition of amateur radio. (In fact the international regulations
forbid the third party messages essential to public service and
emergency communications.) While many amateurs still want to hang
their hats on these applications of amateur radio, their importance
is waning as other communications technologies pass by those of
the average amateur, IE much of what the average amateur can do is
no longer relevant to the communications needs he is charged to
serve. That must change also.

If amateur radio remains as we know it, it will be gone, and likely
properly so because it no longer lives up to the purposes for which
it was created.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:44 1996
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From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Can Amatuer Radio survive ?
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:21:59 -0500
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Carl Stevenson wrote:

> What makes you think this (that majority rules in this hobby)????
> Please elaborate for the sake of discussion.

What I read in QST.  What I hear on the air.  What I hear from
the ARRL.  What I hear at club meetings.  In amateur radio,  the
majority rules and wants to "yack" long distances on HF using
analog techniques.

The boring looks on the faces of maybe 90% of the people at a club
meeting in which I demonstrated spread spectrum, discussed digital
cellular radio and illustrated digital modulation techniques using
equipment as eye-opening as a $25,000 spectrum analyzer.  Hell, half
those over 60 were sleeping!  All these people know is analog.

Despite their arguments about CW being so very efficient (in some
ways I agree), few seemed to have any real grasp of side-bands, spectral
efficiency or even the most simple time-domain vs frequency-domain
concepts.  Information theory and computer networking??   Forget it!
They are from another era and they enjoy what they have.  They will
not change.   That's just the way it is.  I'll probably be the same
way when I get old.

The majority does rule.  They set the tone that attacts certain
people to this hobby and deteremines the direction it will take.
As things are now, the status quo will remain for a long time.
The majority will get what they want and deserve: HF and little more.

I really believe that by the time enough people get into this hobby
to change it, the bands of importance (70 cm and up) will be virtually
gone from the amateur radio service.


> I agree with most of what you say, but you seem to think that the HF
> bands themselves are somehow outdated.

I am very much in favor of experimentation with new modes on HF.  I'd
LOVE to research, build and operate an adaptive frequency hopper for HF.
We are not allowed to experiment like that.  CW and SSB rule.  The few
narrow-band digital modes don't offer a whole lot.

> Our HF bands are, and will continue to be, an important resource that we
> must maintain.

Yes.   But I believe UHF and up is a greater resource in an age of
wireless networking.  And let's not forget AMSAT.

> This is TOTALLY false ... you've been conned into believing that by
> listening to years of "It's only a hobby" and similar garbage.

I do some experimentation on my own.   I'm fortunate to have access to
some RF cages and facilities where I can legally play around with
digital modes on 900 MHz and up.  But the whole FCC policy on amateur
spread spectum and experimentation is behind the times.

Actually, based on rececnt band auctions, these bands are damned
valuable to the FEDS.  Much money is to be made.  Think they are
going to ENCOURAGE digital amateur radio!?  They then would have
even more difficulty taking away our bands.  Sorry if that sounds
like a big conspiracy theory, but hey, money talks.

> Ham radio is NOT a democracy ... we are RULED by the FCC

I think I just said that.  ;-)

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From: [e-mail] (David Horak)
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In <[e-mail]> Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]> write
s:

>We needed many hams utilizing these bands on a daily basis using such
>methods if we were to keep them.  Instead, expect the FCC to take away
>even more amateur access to 900 MHz and up.  These frequencies are
>dropping like flies.

In a August 27, 1996 copyrighted newsletter from the Dole/Kemp campaign,
their intent to pay for the $548 billion tax cut includes, quote,

"Fifth, $34 billion will be raised by acutioning part of the radio
spectrum to broadcasters (about the same as the Clinton administration
expects to raise from this auction.)"

So, it looks like our Rep/Demo friends in Washington have plans for
the spectrum and I doubt our interests will prevail against "revenue".

Anyone know more details on this auctioning plan?

David


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Gary Coffman wrote:

> >Oh?  How big are your cells?  ;-)
>
> Well, from here on UHF, about a 20 mile radius. That would
> encompass 3 other amateurs who *might* be interested in operating
> SS. I told you the network is sparse.

You know, this type of reasoning is truly amazing!!!
We have an incentive system catering to HF and Morse.
Add to this rules and regulations that PREVENT a dense
SS network.   And then you say we don't need rule
changes because our networks are sparse!  Big news
everbody!  Our networks are SPARSE!!!!  Can ya believe it!!??

Hey Gary!  You didn't suffer some severe head injury
over there at Destructive Testing, did ya?  ;-))

> Yes, but why do you assume that every station will be in the
> exact same *part* of those three sequences at the same time?
> Stations operating in different parts of the sequence are
> uncorrelated with each other. Typically, a separation of
> 3 bits in the time sequence of the stream will sufficiently
> decorrelate the stream so that two stations can share the
> same center frequency.

Your bullshit is reaching ever greater levels.

I guess you have no experience with syncing up on the
receive side via a corallator circuit.  With DSSS
this happens in well under a second.  This is because
the receiver and transmitter PN streams are not at
exactly the same data rate.  This allows the two to
eventually sync up and corallate.  This sliding window
is an easy way to sync up.  But then you suggest we
have multiple stations on different parts of the SAME
sequence and all will be cool.  But this means receivers
will be syncing up on bit streams they were not intended
to receive.

Wanna try again, Gary?  ;->

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:47 1996
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Gary Coffman wrote:


> These are definitions of spreading sequence *generators*.

I thought we both understood that.  Was it unclear that
I meant that as well?

> >But I was talking direct sequence which, as you may
> >know, is the preferred method for high data-rate digital.
> >In that case, the SERIAL OUTPUT pseudo-noise stream from
> >this shift register is essentially used to modulate
> >the carrier, the data to be transmitted being XORd
> >with the bit stream.   The bits of the PN stream
> >typically result in a phase shift of the carrier.
> >And there are the usual variations in those modulation
> >methods.
> >

> Yes, but why do you assume that every station will be in the
> exact same *part* of those three sequences at the same time?

We do not coordinate all stations as can be done by a central
CDMA cell site.  They also are allowed far longer bit streams.

And, Gary, I do NOT want to worry about talking to
two or three hams scattered within a 20 mile radius.
I want to cover 100 hams at a ham fest.  I want to
cover multiple portable RF device used throught my
home by me and family.

TAPR also disagrees with you.  If you've got the
problems solved, give them a hand.  They believe,
as do I, that the rules are just too resrictive.

I've said I cannot get the densities I want (and
that I believe we need) as the rules now exist.
If you have done this, give us all a break and
publish your solution.

Disclaimer: I in no way speak for TAPR.  My
understanding of their opinions comes from
reading their web page.  http://www.tapr.org

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Little)
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[e-mail] asked of Amateur Radio:

>
>
> Will it be alive, as we know it, in 10-20 yrs.?   Your opinions please.
> .

I can't speak for the world, but certainly in Australia, the amateur
population is ageing at a faster rate than the general population and
ultimately, this means that the hobby will die out unless significant
effort is devoted to the people side of the hobby.

In Australia anyway, the hobby is becoming dominated by old men (I
include myself here). I have a feeling that unless a wider demographic
spread can be introduced to the hobby, it will face serious problems.

Paradoxically, I think the problem is because amateurs, here anyway,
are poor communicators (to the general public). I think that this
may become more of a problem if the population of amateurs continues
to concentrate in a single age group. Unless people of all ages can
see a role model in the hobby which roughly matches their own age &
interests, it will become harder to get them into the hobby, given
the wide range of communication options available to them.

I don't think this is a lost cause, BTW, just one that needs effort.

Mark.




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From: Sheldon Darack <[e-mail]>
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David: cute idea, but it doesn't work that way.  Your receiver will
capture the stronger signal.  That will be the local repeater. The audio
will be tested for CTCSS tone and since it will not be correct, the
audio circuit will not turn on.  Therefore, you will not hear any audio
when the local repeater is on.  You will however, notice that the signal
strength bars will indicate that the local repeater is being received.

73  Shel  WA2UBK


David Bernazzani wrote:
>
> I'm thinking about getting a CTCSS decode for my 2M rig.
>
> The way CTCSS decode on a 2M rig was explained to me was that it would
> not break the squelch when the received frequency does not contain the
> programmed PL tone.  However, does this mean that if both the distant
> repeater (with the correct PL so my rig would break squelch) and the
> local one are keying at the same time will I get interference?
>
> Basically, I have some local repeaters and some distant repeaters with
> different PL tones.  I would like to monitor the distant ones and
> listen in to those even if the local ones with the same frequencies
> were active at the same time.  Is this achieved with the CTCSS decode?
>
> I have a feeling many people use CTCSS to keep distant repeaters from
> keying while monitoring local repeaters.  I would like to use it in
> the reverse... to monitor distant repeaters with the same frequency as
> local ones.
>
> Thanks much in advance and 73,
>
> Dave Bernazzani


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Bernazzani) wr
ites:
>I'm thinking about getting a CTCSS decode for my 2M rig.
>
>The way CTCSS decode on a 2M rig was explained to me was that it would
>not break the squelch when the received frequency does not contain the
>programmed PL tone.  However, does this mean that if both the distant
>repeater (with the correct PL so my rig would break squelch) and the
>local one are keying at the same time will I get interference?

You bet. CTCSS is no magic bullet. It's just a squelch. It can't
stop two signals on the same frequency at the same time from
interfering with each other. In the case you describe, the squelch
probably wouldn't even open because the local signal would capture
the receiver and block it from detecting the CTCSS tone on the
distant signal.

Gary

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve  - KF2TI (Landing, NJ))
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
> I'm thinking about getting a CTCSS decode for my 2M rig.
>
> The way CTCSS decode on a 2M rig was explained to me was that it would
> not break the squelch when the received frequency does not contain the
> programmed PL tone.  However, does this mean that if both the distant
> repeater (with the correct PL so my rig would break squelch) and the
> local one are keying at the same time will I get interference?

That is correct.  If your radio can receive a strong
enough signal from the distant repeater, it will also
allow reception.  However, in most cases, repeaters on
the same output freq usually employ different PL tones
for just that reason.

>
> Basically, I have some local repeaters and some distant repeaters with
> different PL tones.  I would like to monitor the distant ones and
> listen in to those even if the local ones with the same frequencies
> were active at the same time.  Is this achieved with the CTCSS decode?

The CTCSS decode will allow your radio to "open" up
only for the correct tone.  What will happen here is
that your radio will receive the local repeater, but
you will here no sound.  In otherwords, depending on
the PL tome set, that's the repeater the radio is
looking for.  It will ignore all the others.


>
> I have a feeling many people use CTCSS to keep distant repeaters from
> keying while monitoring local repeaters.  I would like to use it in
> the reverse... to monitor distant repeaters with the same frequency as
> local ones.

Unless your radio had dual UHF receive, I doubt it.
The fact that your are looking for a decode unit shows
it tio be an older model.  Most of radios sold today
have the decode built in and the option is for the
encode unit.

Good Luck


>
> Thanks much in advance and 73,
>
> Dave Bernazzani
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Alan Burgstahler)
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[e-mail] (David Bernazzani) wrote:

>The way CTCSS decode on a 2M rig was explained to me was that it would
>not break the squelch when the received frequency does not contain the
>programmed PL tone.

Well, the squelch may break but the receiver's audio output will not
have any audio on it.

>However, does this mean that if both the distant
>repeater (with the correct PL so my rig would break squelch) and the
>local one are keying at the same time will I get interference?

Yes.  The CTCSS signal only keeps the receiver muted when the proper
CTCSS signal is not present.

>I have a feeling many people use CTCSS to keep distant repeaters from
>keying while monitoring local repeaters.  I would like to use it in
>the reverse... to monitor distant repeaters with the same frequency as
>local ones.

The problem is that when the local repeater comes on, its RF will override
the signal from the distant repeater and you won't hear the distant
repeater anymore.  If you had a CTCSS decoder set for the distant repeater,
your receiver would mute when the local repeater came on because you
wouldn't be hearing the distant repeater's CTCSS tone any more.


Alan Burgstahler - WA6AWD - Kent, WA, USA



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For the original Motorola hand held cellphones. Probably could be converted to
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:58 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: 13 Oct 1996 18:24:01 GMT
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In <53r5ir$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Benjamin Geiger) writes:
>>But... as you can see... emergency communications is #1 on the list.  =
>>Morse is *THE* most readable type of communication under extreme QRM.
>

BZZZZZZZTTTTT!!!!!!!! WRONG ANSWER!  (Morse Myth #1) ... Morse is NOT
the most readable form type of communications under extreme QRM ... thi
military spent bizillions of dollars developing FHSS (Frequency-Hopping
Spread Spectrum) systems because THEY are the best performers in jamming
environments ...

(Roger writes:)
>I question whether Morse is much good at all for emergency communications:
>
>1)  The military has actually BANNED Morse Code from MARS
>2)  The Coast Guard long ago abandoned Morse.
>3)  Name me one emergency, ONE, in the past 5 years where the emergency
>nets used Morse.  I'm betting that they all used SSB.
>

Agreed ... except in #3 the useage of packet has been substantial.  It's
the best way for moving high volumes of H/W traffic into/out of disaster
areas ... the emergency response agencies also like to have hard-copy
and automatic logging to disk for archival/analysis purposes.


>=
>>And, most home-brewers learn by building a Morse transmitter and =
>>receiver.
>
>Oh really?  Where did you get this "fact."  I don't think it is true; certain
ly
>not in 1996.  Anyway, how many people are we talking about, that fit
>your definition of "home brewer."  And why is "home brewing" particularly
>immportant?
>

Actually homebrewing IS VERY important ... we've FAR too many appliance
operators and not enough people making contributions to the advancement
of the radio art ... we need more "techies" and less appliance operators
to fullfill the "technical investigations" part of Part 97's purpose and
justification for our existence.


>
>If we abolish the code test, we eliminate the primary =
>>introduction most hams get to Morse.  I remember this one thing I read, =
>>and *NO*, I don't remember where, but someone's Jeep rolled over, and he =
>>couldn't talk for some reason, but he sent Morse with the RTL. (PTT for =
>>most of us) (RTL =3D Release To Listen HI HI HI).
>
>Doesn't sound very likely to me.
>

Sounds like more Morse Myth crap to me ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:33:59 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
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Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
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>   [e-mail]  (Carl speeling challanged Stevenson) writes:
>
>
>  BZZZZZZZTTTTT!!!!!!!! WRONG ANSWER!  (Morse Myth #1) ... Morse is NOT
>  the most readable form type of communications under extreme QRM ... thi

                                                    ^^^
Gess your illness now relates to the inability to spell simple words??     THE



>
>  Actually homebrewing IS VERY important ... we've FAR too many appliance
>  operators and not enough people making contributions to the advancement
>  of the radio art ... we need more "techies" and less appliance operators
>  to fullfill the "technical investigations" part of Part 97's purpose and
>  justification for our existence.

Carl had advocated elimination of the use of " deem der store bought
ray did ee oooo's"  He can build his from a coffee can and toilet paper
and thinks that eceryone else should be able to before getting their
nocode/no theory/ no test CB type licenses



ANAL RETENTIVE STATEMENT TO FOLLOW>>>


>  Sounds like more Morse Myth crap to me ...


SEE...I WARNED YOU

>  Carl - wa6vse
>  [e-mail]


The more you push, the harder the resistance becomes


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:01 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: 13 Oct 1996 23:38:58 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Benjamin Geiger) writes:
>
>  Hams should have to work to get their licenses.

It is NOT the government's job to enforce YOUR idea of a "work ethic" on
ANYONE ... it is clearly not relevant as a licensing requirement ... the
ONLY relevant licensing requirements are/should be technical knowledge
and rules/regs knowledge.  Anything else is unnecessary fraternity
hazing and inappropriate for the government to impose.

>I feel the current system is fine... an entry-level license with VHF =
>capabilities, and code tests for the rest.

The current system sucks ... it has created an "upper class" of
licensees who are, to a signicant degree, rooted in the past rather than
looking towards the future and stagnating the service with their
insistance on foolish rituals or antiquity.

>Morse is readable under all conditions.
BZZZZZZZTTTTTT! WRONG ANSWER!!!!!
I wish I got a buck for every time I point out that Morse Myth #1, while
widely bandied about by the technically ignorant, is patently false.

>Morse is *THE* most readable type of communication under extreme QRM.

BZZZZZZZTTTTTT! WRONG ANSWER AGAIN!!!! It IS NOT ... please stop
spreading false information ... many people don't know enough to realize
that it IS false (including you, apparently)

>And, most home-brewers learn by building a Morse transmitter and
>receiver.

If you statement were anti-code, I'm sure Mike D. would immediately
DEMAND that you cite the sources of the statistics that prove the avbove
assertion ... I suspect your statement is false ... there's a hell of a
lot of accessory gear and VHF/UHF FM kits being built ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Geiger)
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Subject: Code or No Code...
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I posted the original article, and maybe I should clarify what I said.  =
As far as the "morse is the most readable" claims, I don't have any =
proof, but I still believe it from my own experience.  Again, I am only =
a tech-plus, but of the modes I have seen, morse is *the* most readable. =
 I have used morse, AM, SSB, FM, VHF Packet, and I have listened to (and =
successfully copied) HF Packet and other modes...(not necessarily on ham =
radio, some on CB, but LEGALLY!!!) I have much extreme QRM and QRN due =
to my low antennas and local (illegal) CBers. =20

And in regards to my claim as to hams having to "work" for their =
licenses... my only excuse is that that message was written at 3 AM...  =
I agree with Mr. Stevenson about the technical knowledge.  Maybe I was =
referring to those people who try to get a high level license by simply =
reading one or two books and knowing code(which I still support).  Let =
me rephrase my original statement: Hams should not be able to get =
priveleges without having the requisite knowledge, and actually KNOWING =
the material, instead of memorizing answers.  It's 3 AM again, so I'm =
not thinking straight, but I reread my statements and have confirmed =
them.

Here we go again.  The offer for fried spam still stands.

Benjamin Geiger, KE4EUJ
"Don't engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed person..."



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Little)
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From: [e-mail] ( Steve - KF2TI) Landing, NJ

>
>
> >   [e-mail]  (Carl speeling challanged Stevenson) writes:
> >
> >
> >  BZZZZZZZTTTTT!!!!!!!! WRONG ANSWER!  (Morse Myth #1) ... Morse is NOT
> >  the most readable form type of communications under extreme QRM ... thi
>
                                                      ^^^
> Gess your illness now relates to the inability to spell simple words??     T
HE
  ^^^^

It's a brave person who gets stuck into someone about spelling errors, isn't i
t?
Even braver to link simple spelling mistakes to an illness. I'd ask what YOUR
illness is, but it appears obvious - a bit of foot in mouth ;-)

>
>
>
> >
> >  Actually homebrewing IS VERY important ... we've FAR too many appliance
> >  operators and not enough people making contributions to the advancement
> >  of the radio art ... we need more "techies" and less appliance operators
> >  to fullfill the "technical investigations" part of Part 97's purpose and
> >  justification for our existence.
>
> Carl had advocated elimination of the use of " deem der store bought
> ray did ee oooo's"  He can build his from a coffee can and toilet paper
> and thinks that eceryone else should be able to before getting their
> nocode/no theory/ no test CB type licenses
>
>
>
> ANAL RETENTIVE STATEMENT TO FOLLOW>>>
>
>
> >  Sounds like more Morse Myth crap to me ...
>
>
> SEE...I WARNED YOU
>
> >  Carl - wa6vse
> >  [e-mail]
>
>
> The more you push, the harder the resistance becomes
> .

Errors & Ommissions Excepted,
Mark.




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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: 15 Oct 1996 22:13:33 -0400
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In article <541336$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>It is well-accepted in the engineering community that there
>are many modulation and coding combinations that are FAR more effective
>than OOK Morse in the face if poor channel conditions such a fading,
>interference, and noise ...

That's nice. How many of these are in use in the amateur bands? How
many are available in commerically-available ham gear?


MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


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From: [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi)
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Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
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In article <[e-mail]> Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:
   only, and should not be counted as anything more. I strongly dispute his
   assertion that ham radio has been "stagnating". Where's the proof?  Ham
   radio is as vibrant and alive as ever, perhaps more so.

You might want to look at the statistics showing how the hams are
getting older and older and there are not nearly enough young ones to
enter the hobby. In Finland, the average ham age in the last 4 years has
increased by 3 years. That means pretty clearly that young men and
women are not entering the hobby. Guess what happens when the large
post-war generations get old within the next 15 to 20 years or so.

--
Jari Jokiniemi, [e-mail], OH2MPO, OH3BU
Tekla Oy, Koronakatu 1, 02210 Espoo, 90-8879 474


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve  - KF2TI (Landing, NJ))
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Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:04:04 -0400
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In article <541gcd$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
> In article <541336$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >It is well-accepted in the engineering community that there
> >are many modulation and coding combinations that are FAR more effective
> >than OOK Morse in the face if poor channel conditions such a fading,
> >interference, and noise ...
>
> That's nice. How many of these are in use in the amateur bands? How
> many are available in commerically-available ham gear?

Carl would tell you if he could, but then he'd have to
kill himself for giving secrets or is it sucrets to the
enemy.  Besides, what's a matta wid youse?? can't you
look it up??  Lennie can, Carl can...whas dat make up
stupid or sumptin????

>
>
> MD
> --
> --
> --  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
> --
> --  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.
>

--
Steve - KF2TI (Advanced Class & Damned Proud of IT!)
ARRL LIFE MEMBER

No Code or Know Code...Who Cares??


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:08 1996
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From: Jim Conn <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 01:23:25 -0700
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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> Why don't you just go run a nice warm bath, climb in, and slit your
> wrists????  You'd accomplish the same thing .... a bled-out, do
> nothing, no-hope, no future, future ... without having to wait
> around ...
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Recently I unsubscribed to rec.amateur.radio.policy because I saw the
rhetoric of certain members of the close-minded anti-code-test faction
was becoming more and more enraged. Not wishing to push anyone to more
violent behavior by the logic of my arguments, I unsubscribed to the
rec.amateur.radio.policy group. In parting, I stated that I believed
that certain of the antis (short for anti-code-testing) were in danger of
substituting violence for logic.  Of course, Mr. Stevenson stepped
forward to deny this, and I quote:

    "Yeah, those pro-code guys are always SO objective ... never once
     was there anything in any of the no-code advocate's statements that
     even remotely hinted at any sort of violence ..."

Contrast the denial with the Kevorkian type post above and you will see
the truth of my statement, and just how rabid this man becomes when
politely asked to provide proof to substantiate his wild assertions.

73,
Jim - AD4VL




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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: 16 Oct 1996 23:26:52 GMT
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In <541gcd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <541336$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>It is well-accepted in the engineering community that there
>>are many modulation and coding combinations that are FAR more effective
>>than OOK Morse in the face if poor channel conditions such a fading,
>>interference, and noise ...
>
>That's nice. How many of these are in use in the amateur bands? How
>many are available in commerically-available ham gear?
>

And your point is?????

It SOUNDS like your point is "If we're not *already* using it and it's
not *already* being mass-produced, we can't even *consider* using it.

So, in YOUR world view, there IS no future, there CANNOT POSSIBLY be any
progress, and we CERTAINLY shouldn't even CONSIDER trying for anything
better ...

Why don't you just go run a nice warm bath, climb in, and slit your
wrists????  You'd accomplish the same thing .... a bled-out, do nothing,
no-hope, no future, future ... without having to wait around ...

I really do pity the students you've referred to ... to be saddled with
a teacher with such total lack of vision and imagination must be VERY
depressing for them.


Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]






From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:27:59 GMT
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[e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:

>Right ... what did you think we would do (over the internet, remember)?
>Were you afraid we might resort to the use of "violent" words like
>"whack", "bang", "zap", "bang", and (perhaps) "crunch" ??? GIVE US A
>BREAK!!!!  TRY TO GET SOME GRIP ON REALITY, JIM!!! YOU'RE REALLY LOSING
>IT ...

Now there's a subject that you are qualified to speak about Carl - Losing It.

>Your zeal to twist anything that (I or) any (other) no-code advocate
>says into something evil is so outrageous as to be completely
>transparent to anyone with any sense at all ... of course the corollary
>to that is that you're completely incapable of understanding just how
>ridiculous and outrageous your rantings have become ...

And yet another subject that you know well - Ranting.

Two qualified statements in one email, that must be some kind of a
record.......

73, Jim KH2D




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From: Jim Conn <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> Right ... what did you think we would do (over the internet, remember)?
> Were you afraid we might resort to the use of "violent" words like
> "whack", "bang", "zap", "bang", and (perhaps) "crunch" ??? GIVE US A
> BREAK!!!!  TRY TO GET SOME GRIP ON REALITY, JIM!!! YOU'RE REALLY LOSING
> IT ...

My point is this, that someone who resorts to such violent metaphors is
emotionally unstable, because a call to violence, whether verbal or
physical, allways follows an inability to resolve conflicts peacefully
and logically. Such outbursts are indicative of a mentality that
seeks to get its way through intimidation, rather through intelligent
discourse and the application of reason.

>
> I never said that anyone should do any violence to anyone else
> .. what I said above, which you took out of context, was simply that
> the person to whom I wrote it was expressing an opinion and a view of
> life so devoid of any vision, goals, or hope for the future that
> accepting that view of the future was essentially the same as ending it
> all ...

Read your post again. You equate dropping the morse code test requirement
to human death.  The post you were replying to *did not say* that the
writer was "devoid of any vision, goals, or hope for the future." *You*
applied that to the writer yourself, then said the writer should just as
well commit suicide.  Pretty radical metaphor I'd say.

>
> Your zeal to twist anything that (I or) any (other) no-code advocate
> says into something evil is so outrageous as to be completely
> transparent to anyone with any sense at all ... of course the corollary
> to that is that you're completely incapable of understanding just how
> ridiculous and outrageous your rantings have become ...
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Carl, dear fellow, I have no need to twist anything you say.  Why should
I?  I do encourage you to tone down your rhetoric and "mellow out". Is
that twisting what you say?  I have asked you to prove your assertions,
or brand them as opinion. Is that unreasonable? Should you try this
approach, I believe you would even find it helps your cause. OTOH, if
you feel I am "twisting" something you said, then explain yourself more
accurately.  Say, "No, you misunderstand, I did not mean that." Then,
restate your position more clearly.  Reasonable inferences drawn from
your statements is not the same as "twisting" your statements.

Gary Coffman, for instance, has a position similar to yours, and I have
enjoyed reading his very erudite posts on this and a variety of other
subjects.  I disagree with his opinion that morse code testing should be
dropped, but I let it go at that, because he has many other interesting
and informative things to say. In fact, I have read some of *your* posts
in deja news that were well stated and clearly presented. I may disagree
with your opinions, Carl, but I strongly defend your right to have them,
and to express them.

Best Regards,

Jim - AD4VL




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From: [e-mail] (Steve  - KF2TI (Landing, NJ))
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> Carl Stevenson wrote but spelled like a 2nd grader:
> >
> > No, for the government to resstrict
                              ^^^^^^^^
RESTRICT  one to many ess's Carl  maybe you could add
the extra to this word which describes you  DUMB AS_


 rights by requiring a license to do

> > Hams are SUPPOSED to "pay back" society for the use of our
vaulable
^^^^^^^  VALUABLE

the following Carl statement has activated the C.A.R.L.
warning

Carl Anal Retentative Language Warning.  Activated when
Carl reverts to his insulting anally retentative
remarks/insults/comments


> > BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT!  Ham radio is stuck in the 1950s or 1960s
> > somewhere and you're just too stupid to realize it ... you like the
> > radio a-la "Happy Days" and want to keep that mentality, level of
> > activity, and level of technology forever ... the realization that ham
> > radio has stagnated would require you to admit

tha YOU have
^^^

THAT  jesus Carl you can be this STUPID

 staganated
&^^^^^^^^^  STAGNATED  Tell us again Carl how your
supposed back injury causes you to misspell a word
after spelling it only a handful of words before.  God
you're pathetic

What Carl..no FUD's??  very disappointing.  But still,
you gave the spell checker a real workout.

Keep Up the good work
--
Steve - KF2TI (Advanced Class & Damned Proud of IT!)
ARRL LIFE MEMBER

No Code or Know Code...Who Cares??   Carl do

How can you be in Two Places at Once When You're
Not Anywhere at All??


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roland Stiner)
Date: 18 Oct 96 15:37:00
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J>You might want to look at the statistics showing how the hams are
 >getting older and older and there are not nearly enough young ones to
 >enter the hobby. In Finland, the average ham age in the last 4 years has
 >increased by 3 years. That means pretty clearly that young men and
 >women are not entering the hobby. Guess what happens when the large
 >post-war generations get old within the next 15 to 20 years or so.

As hams get older, the average intelligence gets higher.  The reverse is
also true.
---
   OLX 1.53   ...73 DE:  [e-mail]


--


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Code Training Tape
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> GARY L STATON <[e-mail]
t.net> writes:
>After being inactive for several years want to get back and move up in
>code. Have Tech for 20 years but pretty well forgot code. What is best
>code tape to work with and learn code properly? Gary

I'd avoid all the tapes. They are too easily memorized, and aren't paced
to the rate at which you most efficiently program your wetware. Use one
of the computer training programs, SuperMorse or Morse Academy are a
couple of good ones (check the usual download sites like oak.oakland.edu).

Learn the character sounds from the very beginning at a 20 WPM rate,
spaced to give lower effective speeds. The programs will do this for
you, calling it the "Farnsworth Method". This is important since ARRL
VEs will use Farnsworth timing in the exams that they administer.

It is also important because it will force you to recognize the
character sounds as a unit rather than breaking them down into
dits and dahs. It's that extra translation step which forms the
barrier at about 10-12 WPM which stalls people who learn the code
as dits and dahs rather than as character sounds. This speed "hump"
is what causes the most problems for people attempting to learn
Morse. Avoid it by learning initially at a faster rate.

You want code copy to become like touch typing, IE automatic reflex,
you don't think about it, your body just does it. There's a method
of presenting the letters, called the Koch method, which can help
you efficiently learn the alphabet in this fashion.

Don't try to send until you can copy easily at your target speed.
This is important because sending is a mechanical process, and
forces you to think about dits and dahs. You don't want to do that
while you're learning code. Think of it as indivisible sound units
which are just different pronounciations of the letter names.
Once you're trained to recognize good code, sending is trivial
to pick up, you just make the sounds you already know, sort of
like playing guitar by ear.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:18 1996
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From: "Egil Beichmann" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Communications in tunnels
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This is a problem here in Norway where we have many long tunnels.  There
seems to us to be no method to communicate into tunnels if there is an
accident.
There seems to be these alternatives:

LF communications
VHF communications
SHF  communications
Carrier frequency equipent.

Cables can not be used as they will be destroyed by the accident.

Is there anybody out there who knows anything about this?

73 de
Egil.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey D. Angus)
Subject: Re: Communications in tunnels
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"Egil Beichmann" <[e-mail]> writes:

>This is a problem here in Norway where we have many long tunnels.  There
>seems to us to be no method to communicate into tunnels if there is an
>accident.
>There seems to be these alternatives:

>LF communications
>VHF communications
>SHF  communications
>Carrier frequency equipent.

>Cables can not be used as they will be destroyed by the accident.

>Is there anybody out there who knows anything about this?

>73 de
>Egil.

Well, yes, I was going to say cables, but not in the "normal" sense
of the word. Check out "leaky" coax. This is cable that has about a 20%
braid, and an aluminized mylar 1/2 sheild. It looks like 50 ohms, but
leaks like a seive. Specially designed fo ruse in tunnels such as coal
mines for communications. Esentiallyl, you string the cable end to end,
and attach a pair of passive antennas to both ends (out in the clear.)

You can communicate via the cable to the antennas, and on to the "rest"
of the world at that point. And it's not frequency sensitive either. A
good dual bander for 144/440 operation would cover about 99% of the
radios. (Or you can add power splitters and add additional bands that
you would want to cover.

73 es GE from Jeff
(Who did research on leaky cables back in 1972)
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Burgstahler)
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Subject: Re: Communications in tunnels
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 06:03:39 GMT
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"Egil Beichmann" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>This is a problem here in Norway where we have many long tunnels.  There
>seems to us to be no method to communicate into tunnels if there is an
>accident.

There was an article in one of the two-way radio magazines here in the
USA that told about how a city (Boston, Massachusetts ???) had a radio
amplifier system designed to supply a number of specific frequencies
into and out of an automobile tunnel.  I have the magazine at work.
However, this is probably not feasible for ham radio operations, as it's
necessary to pass only certain frequencies and has to be set up ahead
of time (spending of money).


Alan Burgstahler - WA6AWD - Kent, WA, USA



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: Contests can be useful while adjusting rig/ antenna
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I don't participate in contests myself, other than finding that contests
offer a ready supply of hams for short term antenna or rig tests.
Usually I'm "worth" a few points to the contesters, not a lot, but
some.  Also, some hard core contesters go at it all day long, and
are useful signal sources for antenna adjustments.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:23 1996
From: [e-mail] (KT4IJ)
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Hello all Richard KT4IJ here. I am going to try the qsl industry a
bit. I can make and sale custom designed QSL cards for about
30 cents a piece.. They will be printed on photographic paper
<heavy stock> and can have graphics like your call and the
QSL info put on there along with a picture of you in your shack
or your tower or whatever photo you would like to see on the
front of your QSL!! Custom designs avaible. You can even recieve
your proof via e-mail and make sure it is what YOU want before
they are printed!!! Sound good? E-mail [e-mail]
for the info......coming soon a web page with examples to browse
thru'!! Thanks for your intrest....

                                73 frm...Richard KT4IJ




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Horne)
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: From: [e-mail] (jerry wang)
: Subject: Help: RFI with TV

: I just installed a 2-meter 5/8 wave vertical mag mount antenna on top of
: the air conditioner on the roof.  My radio is a Radio Shack HTX 212
: mobile used as a base station. Whenever I transmit on any 2 meter
: frequency, channel 18 goes out
: on all of my tv's. The tv's are hooked up to cable, and not antennas.
: My neighbor's who also has cable has channel 18 go out when I transmit as
: well.  My minimum transmit power is 10 watts on the HTX 212.
: Even at low power, channel 18 goes out with a bunch of snow on the
: screen. As soon as I let go of the PTT, it's back to normal.
: It only happens on channel 18.  How can I fix this?
: Btw, the roof is about 20 feet up.
: Any help is appreciated.

: jerry - ke6uux

Jerry,

Well, technically, you probably can't.  As best I remember (CATV guys
help me out here), the frequencies used by cable tv are:

82-88     ch. 6
88-108    FM radio (untouched)
108-118   Aircraft aids to navigation (Noone dares to touch!)
118-124   ch 14
124-130      15
130-136      16
136-142      17
142-148      18

In other words, your cable company is allowing your two meter energy to
leak into its system.  Call the cable provider (or have the neighbor do
it) and ask them for help:  most likely, someone ran a 'free' extension
using twin lead.  Good luck.
--

Bill "hoping for W4BH" Horne, AA1ES
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:27 1996
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Bill Horne ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Well, technically, you probably can't.  As best I remember (CATV guys
: help me out here), the frequencies used by cable tv are:
:
: 82-88     ch. 6
: 88-108    FM radio (untouched)
: 108-118   Aircraft aids to navigation (Noone dares to touch!)
: 118-124   ch 14

Not exactly true.  88-118 MHz is used by cable; they are designated
as "A-1" to "A-5".  (Took me a while to realize that's A MINUS ONE
instead of A DASH ONE.)  (Channel 14 is officially called "A".)

Specifically, many cable companies use those channels for pay per
view or other addressable/scrambled signals.  A-1, at 112-118 MHz,
is very common, and receivable on most cable boxes as channel 99.


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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CW Forever
Date: 13 Oct 1996 18:29:37 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>Yea I was forced to learn CW to get my license just like
>most of you.  I have come to really like using CW with
>low power and little or no interference on the HF bands.
>Listenting for my call in the noise after calling CQ is
>what I live for.  So for me, Long Live CW...  WB8BCO

Glad you found something you like ... but please don't insist on forcing
it down everyone else's throats whether they like it or not.

We no-code advocates are NOT suggesting that the USE of code should be
banned ... on the contrary, we've even suggested setting up a small CW
ONLY segment (perhaps the lower 25kHz of each HF band) that would
provide a sanctuary for you folks to practice your antique methods into
the next century without having to compete with more effective
techniques ...

So, what say you?  Or will you at least enumerate your REAL reasons if
you personally would insist on maintaining the code test.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]





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From: Tim Raffety <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: CW Forever
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:08:45 -0500
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Steve - KF2TI, NJ wrote:
>
> >   [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) writes:
>
> >
> >  We no-code advocates are NOT suggesting that the USE of code should be
> >  banned ... on the contrary, we've even suggested setting up a small CW
> >  ONLY segment (perhaps the lower 25kHz of each HF band) that would
> >  provide a sanctuary for you folks to practice your antique methods into
> >  the next century without having to compete with more effective
> >  techniques ...
>
> In over 300 post, even when asked nicely, you have yet to mention one
> of your super secret more effective techniques for the HF bands.
>
> So in all fairness
>
>   So, what say you?  Or will you at least enumerate your REAL reasons if
>   you personally would insist on eliminating the code test.
> >
> >  Carl - wa6vse
> >  [e-mail]
>
> I impressed zippy, no spelling mistakes, but also
> no FUD mentions, no calling someone an A**H***
> or telling them they're full of Bulls***.
>
> What's wrong??

I think CW is a cool way of communicating!  It's exciting to work a guy
QRP CW and trying out new antennas to see which one works best.  All in
all, this hobby offers something for everyone, but get use to the CW now
because it's here until at least 1999.


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I love CW also but what's in a QSO anymore that warrants using it ? Does anyon
e
really care what the wx is like in some other city, how old the other guy is,
what kind of rig he's running ? Do you really care that the other guy has
bunnions or hemmoroids or is a retired janitor ? I don't think anyone does so
why bother with ham radio at all anymore ? It will probably be a dead hobby
within the next 10 years or they'll just open it up for anyone who wants to us
e
it.  CW *and* Phone QSO's in general suck and are meaningless tribble. Thank g
od
for the "NET" !

 Burt's right about one thing though, contestors are PIGS as are dx'ers
--
Signed,
25 years of ham radio and burned out...


On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 13:19:17 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

:>Yea I was forced to learn CW to get my license just like
:>most of you.  I have come to really like using CW with
:>low power and little or no interference on the HF bands.
:>Listenting for my call in the noise after calling CQ is
:>what I live for.  So for me, Long Live CW...  WB8BCO



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From: [e-mail](KA4IKH)
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Subject: Re: CW Forever
Date: 16 Oct 1996 01:36:45 GMT
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CW is the gatekeeper of ham radio.  If we eliminate the CW requirements, you w
ill soon be able to pick up a license at Wal-mart,
along with the latest appliance operator special.  I of course exagerate to ma
ke a point, but CW, love it or hate it, has been every
hams baptisim into the realm of hamdom.  The No-Code license has forever chang
ed that.

We CW dinosaurs, as you no coders think of us, do not complain that you all ar
e not on CW.  I love the elbow room I have on all
CW bands.  But I will never agree to eliminate the CW requirement for HF priva
liges.  It is after all a privalige, which is something that
must be earned.  Maybe CW is not the current "in" mode, and maybe it has been
abandoned by other services, but Ham Radio
started with Code, and when it is eliminated, it will mark the beginning of th
e end.

I do encourage everyone who expresses an interest in ham radio, to get their l
icense.  I do not want to participate in a hobby that is
elitist.  I want Ham Radio to continue to grow and evolve, but eliminating the
 CW requirement is not the answer.

Unfortunitly, I am sure that in the end CW will loose out.  The equiptment man
ufacturers succeeded in getting the no- code tech
license created, so that they could sell a lot of radios.  The end result is t
hat the no- coders are the largest segment of the ham
community.  This will enevitably lead to the demise of the CW requirement and
Ham Radio as we know it.  As soon as it is put to a
vote by the ARRL, what do you think will be the outcome?  Let's see you can ha
ve all the rights and privilages of HF operation
without learning the code.  What say ye No-Code majority???

If you think the ARRL is watching out for your interests, think again.  They p
ay the bills with the AD dollars that Kenwood, Yaesu,
ICOM, etc.  spend month after month.  They will put the best face possible on
this CW debate, but in the end, they will recommend to
the FCC that CW be eliminated as a requirement for HF licences.

I am by the way a member of the ARRL and have been since I was first licenced.
  They aren't much but at present, they are all we
have, and I would encourage everyone to join, and vote for CW friendly candida
tes in EVERY election.  The ARRL can be
changed, but it will take members who are willing to spend the time and let th
eir voice be heard.

Do I sound like an old fart who should just shut up and die?  Well maybe so, b
ut I have been licensed for 17 years and at only 31
years old, I feel like an old timer.  I love Ham Radio, and I love CW.  If we
loose this fight, I am sure we will be religated to 5 or 10
KC's at the lower end of the bands.  Then I guess, All those CW ops who are si
tting idly by, will wish they had done something.

Best 73's and cu on the low end of the bands

David, KA4IKH

CW FOREVER!


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: CW Forever
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In article <[e-mail]> Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:
>Carl Stevenson wrote:
>>
>> Virtually ANYTHING is more effective than OOK Morse code ... I have
>> posted to that effect, so have Gary, Cecil, Len, and numerous others
>
>What a ridiculous statement! I don't care how many people post it, your
>statement is patently ridiculous, and flies in the face of the experience
>of those of us who consistently work DX using CW, when SSB is not getting
>through because of poor band conditions! What a crock!

What is a crock is that you can only come up with SSB as an alternative
to CW. All that demonstrates is that your experience is limited to
antiquated and inefficient weak signal methods.

Two systems commercially available to amateurs, Clover and PACTOR II,
are far better than CW under hostile conditions. PACTOR II will work
at a CNR of -18 db. You can't hear that. To the ear, all you'd hear is
noise. But PACTOR II busily prints out error free text at that signal
level. The military has systems that can work with a CNR of less than
-40 db. It is the rare CW operator who can maintain 20 WPM at even
+10 db CNR. So these systems are 28 to 50 db better than what CW
operators can manage.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Amateurs have been lagging
in this area. The military has systems far better than either Clover
or PACTOR II, and there are systems developed by Lowfers which are
better too. 20 years ago, NASA started using systems which are better
than either Clover or PACTOR II. These methods are neither new nor
exotic.

You make Carl's points for him by being ignorant of these methods.
And worse, by lashing out in your ignorance, you demonstrate that
you are not even interested in finding out about them. As Carl has
charged, you live in a time warp, and want to stay there. Well, it
is said that ignorance is bliss, so you must be very happy.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul C)
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Subject: Re: CW Forever
Date: 17 Oct 1996 18:30:33 GMT
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KA4IKH ([e-mail]) wrote:

> CW is the gatekeeper of ham radio.

That may be true.  It's quite good at keeping all of the engineers,
computer enthusiasts, and "rocket scientists" out of the hobby.

Engineers that could be working on the "next big thing" in
communications.  People that can be working on our digital networks,
getting them above the pitiful 1200 baud (or 300 baud on HF) that they
are running at now.  People that do more than litter their walls with
4x6 cards, and driving non-Americans off the band with endless "You're
five by nine.. what was your call and name again?"...

> If we eliminate the CW requirements, you will soon be able to pick up
> a license at Wal-mart, along with the latest appliance operator
> special.

And what's the problem with "appliance operators"?  Are every one of
your rigs completely home-built?  I doubt it.  I don't know about you,
but I could design and build a radio with all of the features in the
standard "appliance" rig, but it would not be nearly as small, and
would probably cost more to build than to buy.

As for being an effective gateway.. simply look at 20m.  Every legal
US op on that band has passed at least a 13 wpm code test, and it's
far worse than anything else I've heard.. including CB.

Maybe Wayne is right... CW does rot the brain.

> CW FOREVER!

Don't you mean "SPARK FOREVER"?  All of your arguments are old
rehashes from that argument.

Before you go running and looking up my call, I was licensed KA3HPO
in 1981, and upgraded to (full element 3) Tech N3EOP in 1985.  I
support the movement to drop the General code requirement to 5 WPM,
and eliminate the "coded-Tech" classification.  I have passed the 4A
and 4B sections, but the only reason I would even consider getting
my Extra is to shut up those people that claim that I want a "free
ride" into the HF bands.  What good is a free ride if it doesn't go
anywhere you want to go?

de N3EOP/6

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:34 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: CW Forever
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In <[e-mail]>, Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:
>Carl Stevenson wrote:
>>
>> Virtually ANYTHING is more effective than OOK Morse code ... I have
>> posted to that effect, so have Gary, Cecil, Len, and numerous others
>
>What a ridiculous statement! I don't care how many people post it, your
>statement is patently ridiculous, and flies in the face of the experience
>of those of us who consistently work DX using CW, when SSB is not getting
>through because of poor band conditions! What a crock!
>

Jim,

As usual, your response is purely emotional drivel and flies in the face
of all established *engineering fact* ...  but we already know that
doesn't matter to you ...  you don't CARE if your statements are
accurate, as long as you like the sound of them and they agree with your
distorted view of reality, they're fine to you ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: CW Forever
Date: 17 Oct 1996 19:10:56 -0400
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In article <545u09$[e-mail]>,
        Paul C <[e-mail]> wrote:

>That may be true.  It's quite good at keeping all of the engineers,
>computer enthusiasts, and "rocket scientists" out of the hobby.

Gee, you don't happen to have any proof of this claim, do you?

See, in the late 1980's people claimed that the code requirement
was keeping all these gee-whiz techno-geniuses "just waiting to get
into the hobby" when that nasty code requirement was dropped.

Well, we dropped the code requirement, and what did we get? Did
we get hoardes of techno-geniuses? Not at all. Instead, like many
expected, we simply attracted a larger number of hams that actually
represent a cross-section of the American population. We got some
techno-geniuses, we got some morons, and we got a lot of people
who are in the middle.


>Engineers that could be working on the "next big thing" in
>communications.  People that can be working on our digital networks,
>getting them above the pitiful 1200 baud (or 300 baud on HF) that they
>are running at now.

Engineers who could be working on bring T-3 capabilities to a
2.4khz channel are more likely to be doing it in a professional
research environment where they will make million$ of dollar$
for their invention.


>And what's the problem with "appliance operators"?

Absolutely nothing. The "Appliance Operator" is the Ham Of Today
(a few years ago I would have said "The Ham Of The Future", but the
future is here, now.) I'll be the first to admit when my new Yaesu
Ft900 bit the dust on field day I stripped it down and traced the
circuit as far as this SMT IC that I couldn't figure out what it did.
I figured it was a custom CPU chip (I figured right) and I had to send
the unit back to Yaesu for repair (they replaced the CPU).


>As for being an effective gateway.. simply look at 20m.  Every legal
>US op on that band has passed at least a 13 wpm code test, and it's
>far worse than anything else I've heard.. including CB.

Oh, I really doubt that. Sure, there are a few morons on 20 meters.
But, compared to the total number of licensed amateurs, they are
insignificant.

MD
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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:
> >Carl Stevenson wrote:
> >>
> >> Virtually ANYTHING is more effective than OOK Morse code ... I have
> >> posted to that effect, so have Gary, Cecil, Len, and numerous others
> >
> >What a ridiculous statement! I don't care how many people post it, your
> >statement is patently ridiculous, and flies in the face of the experience
> >of those of us who consistently work DX using CW, when SSB is not getting
> >through because of poor band conditions! What a crock!
> >
>
> Jim,
>
> As usual, your response is purely emotional drivel and flies in the face
> of all established *engineering fact* ...  but we already know that
> doesn't matter to you ...  you don't CARE if your statements are
> accurate, as long as you like the sound of them and they agree with your
> distorted view of reality, they're fine to you ...
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]


Theory is great, but experience is better. However, I believe theory is
on my side as well, in saying that CW is more effective in poor
conditions than SSB. I realize that the word "virtually" you use above
means you think "practically" anything is better than morse, but I think
that is an unreasonable assumption. In fact, only a few modes in use
today legitimately lay claim to being more effective than CW in poor
conditions, i.e., PACTOR and that genre.

Best Regards,

Jim - AD4VL



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:39 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
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Subject: Re: Dealing with Contests
Date: 13 Oct 1996 15:09:44 GMT
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>   [e-mail] (Jim Kehler) writes:
>  [e-mail] wrote:
>
>  >In <53mpme$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Howard Watson) writes:
>  >>This is one area in which I would agree with Burt.  At the very least,
>  >>restrict each contest to ONE band each contest.
>  >>Howard B. Watson Jr. - N3TNQ - [e-mail] - Springfield, OH
>  >>
>
>  >Or better yet, restrict them to certain frequency segments of each band.
>
>  >Roger J. Buffington
>  >W6VZV
>  >[e-mail]
>
>  >USC Law School, Class of '97
>
>  That will never work, Roger. Kind of like trying to restrict people to post
ing
>  messages in only one newsgroup. But this thread is interesting in the fact
>  that apparantly some hams dislike contests as much as some other hams
>  dislike CW.  Maybe nobody likes EVERYTHING about ham radio ?
>
>  Personally, I like contests.  But I hate packet, especially on HF.  And I h
ate
>  DX nets. So I guess I should start a campaign to restrict  DX nets and HF
>  packet ? Or maybe my current plan is better - I just avoid the frequencies
on
>  which those two activities occur.  I thought the digital satellites were a
real
>  waste of time too, I fixed that problem by taking down my satellite antenna
s.
>  Can't hear them anymore.....
>
>  Major  contests never have SSB and CW on the same weekend, so instead of
>  figuring out ways to ruin the peoples fun who enjoy contesting, maybe we co
uld
>  figure out ways to aviod them - play with SSB on the CW contest weekends, a
nd
>  play with our favorite digital mode on the SSB contest weekends ?
>
>  The other thing I have noticed, Roger, that seems to be similar between con
tests
>  and CW, is that it seems like people who dislike contests the most never tr
ied
>  one.....
>
>  73, Jim KH2D
>  Burtonsville  Reform School, Class of '68


Jim, you're right as well

everybody doesn't like something

BUT nobody doesn't like SARA LEE!!!!!


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Schwartz)
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Jim Kehler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] wrote:

: >In <53mpme$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Howard Watson) writes:
: >>This is one area in which I would agree with Burt.  At the very least,
: >>restrict each contest to ONE band each contest.
: >>Howard B. Watson Jr. - N3TNQ - [e-mail] - Springfield, OH
: >>

: >Or better yet, restrict them to certain frequency segments of each band.

: >Roger J. Buffington
: >W6VZV
: >[e-mail]

: >USC Law School, Class of '97

: That will never work, Roger. Kind of like trying to restrict people to posti
ng
: messages in only one newsgroup. But this thread is interesting in the fact
: that apparantly some hams dislike contests as much as some other hams
: dislike CW.  Maybe nobody likes EVERYTHING about ham radio ?

: Personally, I like contests.  But I hate packet, especially on HF.  And I ha
te
: DX nets. So I guess I should start a campaign to restrict  DX nets and HF
: packet ? Or maybe my current plan is better - I just avoid the frequencies o
n
: which those two activities occur.  I thought the digital satellites were a r
eal
: waste of time too, I fixed that problem by taking down my satellite antennas
.
: Can't hear them anymore.....

: Major  contests never have SSB and CW on the same weekend, so instead of
: figuring out ways to ruin the peoples fun who enjoy contesting, maybe we cou
ld
: figure out ways to aviod them - play with SSB on the CW contest weekends, an
d
: play with our favorite digital mode on the SSB contest weekends ?

: The other thing I have noticed, Roger, that seems to be similar between cont
ests
: and CW, is that it seems like people who dislike contests the most never tri
ed
: one.....

: 73, Jim KH2D
: Burtonsville  Reform School, Class of '68


Well said Jim!  I couldn't have said it better myself.  See YOU in the
next contest!

:


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From: [e-mail] (Howard Watson)
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>Nobody wants to "ruin people's fun" by restricting contesting, but by the
>same token why should my fun be ruined >by< contesting? If a small portion
>of each band were reserved for non-contest stations during contests, I
>believe everyone would be a lot happier.


>MD

VERY well put.  I myself am planning on giving it a try, but I sure
don't think it should fill every band.  I also do not accept the "go
to a WARC band" argument.  MANY of the older radios do no have the
WARC bands.

Howard B. Watson Jr. - N3TNQ - [e-mail] - Springfield, OH



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:42 1996
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Howard Watson wrote:
>
> >Nobody wants to "ruin people's fun" by restricting contesting, but by the
> >same token why should my fun be ruined >by< contesting? If a small portion
> >of each band were reserved for non-contest stations during contests, I
> >believe everyone would be a lot happier.
>
> >MD
>
> VERY well put.  I myself am planning on giving it a try, but I sure
> don't think it should fill every band.  I also do not accept the "go
> to a WARC band" argument.  MANY of the older radios do no have the
> WARC bands.

Who shall decide the allowed percentage of the band to be used for the
contests?  For other activities it's first come, first served.  Why
should contesting be any different?

73,

Robert KA5WSS
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Dealing with Contests
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Howard Watson wrote:
>>
>> >Nobody wants to "ruin people's fun" by restricting contesting, but by the
>> >same token why should my fun be ruined >by< contesting? If a small portion
>> >of each band were reserved for non-contest stations during contests, I
>> >believe everyone would be a lot happier.
>>
>> >MD
>>
>> VERY well put.  I myself am planning on giving it a try, but I sure
>> don't think it should fill every band.  I also do not accept the "go
>> to a WARC band" argument.  MANY of the older radios do no have the
>> WARC bands.
>
>Who shall decide the allowed percentage of the band to be used for the
>contests?  For other activities it's first come, first served.  Why
>should contesting be any different?

Because the contest sanctioning body makes the rules?

It is precisely because contesting is organized that it generates
so much chaos on the bands. If each individual decided by himself
when to contest, and under what rules to do so, there wouldn't be
the band killing concentrations that organized contesting fosters.
IE I might decide to work Sweepstakes on a Wednesday morning instead
of a weekend if the contest sanctioning body didn't insist the contacts
be made on the weekend, and another operator might decide Thursday
afternoon was a good time for him. That's how other activities are
done, but not contesting. Contesting is concentrated havoc whereas
other activities are distributed more randomly and evenly. And that's
a choice made by the contest sanctioning body.

I don't have a good answer for what to do about contests. Cummulative
contests have some features that make them better sharing partners
because they spread activity over a greater time. OTOH, sprints limit
the duration when the bands are unusable by others. Both have their
pluses and minuses. Single band and/or single mode contests limit the
problems for other bands and/or modes, but they totally wreck the band
and/or mode of the day. OTOH, any band and any mode contests spread the
load and aren't as disruptive to any particular other activity. Pluses
and minuses again.

Contesting is disruptive, and it is disruptive almost every weekend.
Something should be done about that. I don't know exactly what, but
some creative thought by the contest sanctioning bodies might come
up with better solutions than what we have now. For example, and I
don't know how practical this might be, the organizers could have
a rule that no station participating in the contest could operate
for more than 10 minutes out of every hour on a given mode or given
band. Or they could say that contacts this hour only count with
stations having the same first letter in the suffix of his call
as yours, etc. Surely there is some way to dampen the peak loads
so that the bands remain usable by others.

Or, how about this? Lets have a new entry class for contests. This
class is for stations who listen only and provide reports of stations
transmitting over non-contest stations. Each report would be worth
1 point to the reporter, and would result in 10 points being subtracted
from the score of the station reported. I bet we could get a lot of
stations to participate in that, I might even be tempted to submit
a log, and it might do wonders for the operating manners of contesters.
Bet a lot of them would wind up with negative scores. :-)

Gary
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Gray)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Doug Lenertz
Date: 16 Oct 1996 04:20:37 GMT
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I am looking for a friend of mine that was interested in ham radio.  His name
is
Doug Lenertz.  If anyone has any information, please contact me at
[e-mail].

Michael Gray


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Penneys)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment
Subject: Drake R-4 vs. 4B, 4C ?
Date: 18 Oct 1996 11:43:08 -0400
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Could you enlighten me about the essential differences between the
Drake R-4, 4B and 4C? Tnx, Bob


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Drake R-4 vs. 4B, 4C ?
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Robert Penneys ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Could you enlighten me about the essential differences between the
: Drake R-4, 4B and 4C? Tnx, Bob

I have the original, the R-4, Bob.  As I recall, the major improvement in
the R-4A was a solid-state VFO.  After that, I believe more and more stages
went to transistors, through the "C" model.

You may want to post this question on the *new*
rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors newsgroup; the "4" lines qualifies as such.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas E. Kenny)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DXer's calendar
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:03:25 GMT
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Several years back I purchased a DXer's wall calendar. I was
interested in getting one for next year but can't seem to find an ad
or any info about one.

The one I got was from a ham in New England. It had a picture each
month of a DXepdedition and listed the contests on the calendar.

Is this calendar or simular wall calendar exist? Any leads would be
appreciated.

Thanks and 73, Tom KB2GLO.

     vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
                    Tom Kenny KB2GLO  Voice: 908-949-9704
             EMail: [e-mail]   URL: http://webspan.net/~tek
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:49 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: False postings (ala N1BTQ).
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:25:49 -0400
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If you want an example of someone using my ID look at
www.io.com/~larrybob/guestbook.html

You will see some disgusting comments I did not make but
 A P P E A R  to have made.

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|                           [e-mail]                         |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Smithson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FCC Has My Money
Date: 12 Oct 1996 04:42:58 GMT
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FWIW, just got my bank statement and the FCC has already deposited my $30 so a
t
least I got confirmation the envelope was received. Wonder how much longer.

Tony    KN4TX



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:50 1996
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From: Bernie Skoch <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Has My Money
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[e-mail] (Tony Smithson) wrote:
>FWIW, just got my bank statement and the FCC has already deposited my $30 so
at
>least I got confirmation the envelope was received. Wonder how much longer.
>
>Tony   KN4TX
>
Tony,
  According to the ARRL website Newsletter update today, the FCC has
made its way through about one half the first day apps.  If we
extraploate, I'd say it will be another two or three weeks, and as I
understand it, no calls will be issued until all of the first day group
of apps has been entered.
  Me?  I spent today out snapping pictures of Diamond Head crater to use
on my new QSL card.  I'm eager too!
  I hope you get your first choice!
73,
bernie
NH6I



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] ([Dick Kors])
Subject: Re: FCC Issuing Vanity Calls?
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: "investigation" on some of these recent gate 1 "snaches."  NOT ME, of
: course :-)  I haven't seen any of MY personal choices get taken yet :-)

Is that N zero T  ME  by the way?

dk


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:52 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gary Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: For Sale Alinco EDC-34
Date: 19 Oct 1996 05:32:17 GMT
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For Sale: Alinco EDC-34 rapid charger for DJ-580
series hand-held dual-banders. New in box with manual.
Fast charges in one hour. Works great !! AES price
in current catalog $120. My price is $60 shipped to you
by UPS.

Gary (KF5XW)

email: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Fox Hunt!
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 05:58:41 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

On October 13, 1996 the Eastern Ozarks Amateur Radio Club (EOARC) will
sponsor a Fox Hunt in St. Francois County Missouri.

Sign up will be from 1300-1330 at the Mineral Area College parking lot
in Park Hills (formerly Flat River) and the Hunt itself will start at
1400.

Entry is _FREE_ but you must register!!

Maps of St. Francois County will be provided.

The Fox will live on 2m FM simplex and the exact frequency will be
announced by the Fox at 1400. The Fox will be somewhere in St.
Francois County.

Certificates and ribbons will be awarded.

From St. Louis, take Interstate 55 south to US highway 67 south to the
Leadington/Park Hills exit then turn left.

From Cape Girardeau, take Interstate 55 north to US Highway 67 south
as above.

From Poplar Bluff, take US Highway 67 north to exit as above and turn
right.

You may call on the EOARC repeater on 147.030 (+600) for talk-in.

All Amateurs are welcome and encouraged to attend!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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If you're making too much money, don't go here!
http://www.adgrafix.com/info/calbertjr/sales.html
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel M. Conti)
Subject: FS : DIAMOND Discone antenna
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DIAMOND Discone antenna for sale, 4 mos old....
$50.00 shipped to 48, COD $5.00 extra

E-MAIL IF INTERESTED
[e-mail]
Compuserve - 71242,1774        Amateur Radio - N2TYB
Ridgefield, New Jersey




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel M. Conti)
Subject: FS : DIAMOND MX-2000 Triplexer
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DIAMOND MX-2000 Triplexer for sale, 2 mos old, $65.00 shipped to 48,
COD $5.00 extra

E-MAIL IF INTERESTED
[e-mail]
Compuserve - 71242,1774        Amateur Radio - N2TYB
Ridgefield, New Jersey




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chip)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: FS:  Andrews' Heliax connectors
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 19:56:32 -0600
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> Have available the following ANDREWS HELIAX connectors in various quantities
.
  All new
>
>  $17.00 ea
>
>  1/2▓  L44W
>  1/2▓  L44U
>
>
> $25.00 ea
>
> 7/8▓  L45W
> 7/8▓  L45N
> 7/8▓  L45PN
>
>
>
>
> If interested please e-mail me. Prices are flexiable.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rod Logsdon)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: Radio Shack HTX-202
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 04:04:54 GMT
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HTX-202, 2 mtr HT. Nicad Pack, Alkaline holder, cigarette lighter
adapter, wall charger, spkr/mic. 5 year extended warranty good thru
June, 2000.

$180.00 shipped lower 48.

Rod Logsdon WK9T ..... [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Langston)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS:12V Power Plug:Kenwood,Icom,....
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 16:15:57 GMT
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I have found a source for those DC power cord plugs. The ones I've got
have 6 pins, male plastic with metal female (barbed) inserts.

The plug fits most 12VDC HF radios:
Icom 720, 735, 706.. and alike, newer Yaesu models and Alinco DX70.
Kenwood-TS120, 130, 140..430, 440, 450..850,..TS50,60, 660, 670...and
alike.

Make your own power cord yourself, YOUR WAY!
Crimp or solder, long or short, heavy gauge wire, purple with
polka-dots...

I'm offering the 6 position plug with 6 inserts for $4 each,
or a deal 3 for $10.  All prices include postage in the US.

To order, kindly send a check to:

R. Langston
286 Hudson Street
Cornwall-on-Hudson, N.Y.  12520

You can also email me for info at: [e-mail]

It's a great deal if you use one rig at home, in the car and at work
and
are stuck dragging one power cord all over....

I still can't believe AES, HRO and others get $30 for a power cord.
HiHi!



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:34:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Justin McGimsey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur
Subject: FT-530 Help with circuit component identification (anyone with a Technical Supplement??)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 02:34:25 GMT
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I am trying to locate component values for the components on my "V&V
Local unit" (at least that is what my Technical supplement calls it).

I can't determine the values of the parts on this board!!  I see the
names but can't match them up to any parts list anywhere.

The parts are:

C 4003
C 4004
C 4016
C 4002
C 4005
C 4012
C 4014

L 4002
L 4003

Q 4001
Q 4003

R 4006
R 4001
R 4002
R 4005
R 4009
R 4004

If anyone knows what the values (and or industy, not Yaesu, part
numbers) are for these items I would greatly appreciate it if you
could forward them to me.  It seems I must be missing a page of my
Technical Supplement.

Thanks a bundle,


"If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet!"
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Justin McGimsey   KC7MQJ (Amateur Radio)
[e-mail]   [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Levine)
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Subject: Re: FT-530 Just got it- no manual!  Please help.
Date: 15 Oct 1996 18:12:25 GMT
Organization: Mercury Computer System
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In article <53u926$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ben Mehlm
an) writes:-->
-->Last but not least, does Yaesu use the same batteries and chargers for thei
r
-->new radios (ie if I buy more batteries and/or a drop-in charger will my
-->investment be a good one)?
-->

The answer to this question is that the batteries for the newer radios like
the 51 and the 50 are completely different.  The fast charger is also differen
t,
and you buy adapters for the newer different battery packs.

I think they break even on the rigs and make the big bucks on the batteries, c
hargers,
speaker mics etc.....  Yeasu even has different AC adapters for each different
 battery
pack voltage so if you do go the cheap slow route, you'll need multiple wall w
arts also!

Now that the dollar is work 112.25 yen (last check), I wonder if the prices wi
ll go down
on the Japanese radios.  Remember how they blamed the last price increases on
the exchange
rate when it got into the low 80s, upper 70s?  Now the dollar is worth 25% mor
e yen than
back then.




-->
-->Thanks very much!
-->Ben Mehlman KB2ERP
-->[e-mail]
-->



--
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (EMTP4355)
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Subject: Fwd: CAP Forbids use of amateur radio
Date: 17 Oct 1996 13:24:55 -0400
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Subject:        CAP Forbids use of Amateur Radio?
From:   Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]>
Date:   Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:34:44 -0700

The latest issue of World Radio includes an article in the Search and
Rescue column that states that the Civil Air Patrol now forbids its
members from using Amateur Radio for any CAP operations including Search
and Rescue and Emergency operations.

This is supposedly outlined in the new Communication Regulations recently
issued.  Is this true?



Joseph K Murphy, EMT-P                                        KF4KEK
[e-mail]                                                EM75RW

                                    Harriman, TN  USA


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Fitzgerald)
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Subject: Re: Fwd: CAP Forbids use of amateur radio
Date: 17 Oct 1996 19:16:03 GMT
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In article [e-mail], [e-mail] (EMTP4355) writes:
>Subject:       CAP Forbids use of Amateur Radio?
>From:  Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]>
>Date:  Wed, 16 Oct 1996 14:34:44 -0700
>
>The latest issue of World Radio includes an article in the Search and
>Rescue column that states that the Civil Air Patrol now forbids its
>members from using Amateur Radio for any CAP operations including Search
>and Rescue and Emergency operations.
>
>This is supposedly outlined in the new Communication Regulations recently
>issued.  Is this true?
>
>
>
>Joseph K Murphy, EMT-P                                        KF4KEK
>[e-mail]                                                EM75RW
>
>                                    Harriman, TN  USA

That is correct.  CAP communications have been moved from FCC enforcement
and control to NTIA, the same as any Federal Government agency.  Therefore,
any CAP business is classified as US government business.  Therefore, CAP
use of non-governmental frequencies is a violation of the NTIA rules.
It would be the same as if any other federal agency would use amateur
frequencies to conduct federal business.  Ther has been many exchanges
regarding this issue on the cap-comm talk group.

Richard Fitzgerald
WA5UTF   Texas CAP 428






From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Gate 2 calls?
Date: 11 Oct 1996 18:15:22 GMT
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In article <53jec8$[e-mail]>,
Jerry Flanders <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Several "W" and "K" 1x2 new calls showed up on today's "Daily FCC
>Update" on the WWW QRZ call server. I checked a few of them and found
>they were issued 10/8.
>
>Looks like the Gate 2 logjam has finally broken. I had expected new
>calls to all show at once, rather than piecemeal.
>
>Jerry    W4UKU    [e-mail]

Actually, I've been looking at the daily updates from ftp.fcc.gov,
I mean actually inspecting the database files, and the only vanity
calls I've seen issued are under Gate 1 and Gate 1A.  You can
tell from the 'vanity flag' and 'vanity type' codes in the database.


--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Eckman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate Two: It happened again
Date: 11 Oct 1996 14:18:33 GMT
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In article <53li69$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Mitchell) write
s:
>In article <53jnuf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>Happened to spot an apparent Gate two call N6DW in Thursday's run.
>>Issued on 10/8 to an individual with first and last initials DW. Now
>this
>>could be a relative's or previously-held call, I suppose, but wonder if
>>this is one of early Gate two issues?
>>
>
>Well, just checked out yesterdays FCC dump on QRZ, and there's another
>one: N8JW, issued on 10/9 to individual with those initials.  Is it
>likely that this is a relative, or previously held call?  Doesn't seem so
>to me.  First, N#xx calls were first issued in the seventies, so no one
>has held them for a really long time, or would seem likely to dump them
>for the 2X1 and 2X2 extra calls that followed.  Second, there is no Jr.,
>III, etc., after the name, so it seems unlikely that these individuals
>are sons with same name as father.
>
>So what is going on here?  On the one hand, we have official bulletins
>saying this process will take weeks.  On the other, there seem to be a
>few calls slipping through.  I'm still hoping this is the trickle before
>the dam breaks, and all calls are issued, but wonder if FCC is following
>their own stated procedure closely enough.
>
  Looking at the FCC database and the explanation of codes associated with
these entries (see the readme.txt file in /pub/XFS_AlphaTest/amateur), it's
clear that neither of these calls are vanity callsign issues.  They
appear to simply be renewals.  It's pointless to conjecture
on whether the FCC is "breaking their own rules" unless you're certain
that these were, in fact, vanity callsigns.  The evidence is that these
most certainly were not.

Richard Eckman KO4MR
Hampton, VA
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:06 1996
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Subject: Re: Gate Two: It happened again
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In <53li69$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Mitchell) writes:
>In article <53jnuf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>Happened to spot an apparent Gate two call N6DW in Thursday's run.
>>Issued on 10/8 to an individual with first and last initials DW. Now
>this
>>could be a relative's or previously-held call, I suppose, but wonder if
>>this is one of early Gate two issues?
>>
>
>Well, just checked out yesterdays FCC dump on QRZ, and there's another
>one: N8JW, issued on 10/9 to individual with those initials.  Is it
>likely that this is a relative, or previously held call?  Doesn't seem so
>to me.  First, N#xx calls were first issued in the seventies, so no one
>has held them for a really long time, or would seem likely to dump them
>for the 2X1 and 2X2 extra calls that followed.  Second, there is no Jr.,
>III, etc., after the name, so it seems unlikely that these individuals
>are sons with same name as father.
>
>So what is going on here?  On the one hand, we have official bulletins
>saying this process will take weeks.  On the other, there seem to be a
>few calls slipping through.  I'm still hoping this is the trickle before
>the dam breaks, and all calls are issued, but wonder if FCC is following
>their own stated procedure closely enough.
>
  You need to do a little detective work first! The Licensee for the DW call w
as
 licensed on 1/20/87. Same guy, same address. His license was due 1/97, so he
was
 4 months early on re-upping it. There is enough confusion abounding without
 adding more.
                                                              - Jim


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:07 1996
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From: "Andrew R. Gozdziewski" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: GMR100 Speaker/Microphone
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Does anyone have a Uniden Speaker/Mic they would like to sell?  Has
anyone had any experience with one or have an more information about it
(PTT or voice-activated?)?

Thanks in advance!

Andrew


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From: Steve Eklund <[e-mail]>
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Scott A. Nelson wrote:
> >
> > Whatever happened to that novel idea of Personal Responsibility? Although
I am truly
> > sorry for your misfortune, I have found that in my life, I have always bee
n either
> > directly or indirectly responsible for each of my "accidents"... Every per
son plots
> > his/her own course in life...
> >
> > Should we ban cars because of drunks? How about matches because of fires,
or pools
> > because of drownings? I think not.
> >
> > <<< DAN >>>
> > --
> > +-------------------------------------------------------+
> > |An Armed Man is a Citizen, an Unarmed Man is a Subject.|
> > +-------------------------------------------------------+I slipped and fel
l in the shower a couple of years ago and I manage to
> stay clean.
>
>                                 -- Scott --


Don't be surprised if the things you mention really does happen. These
damned politicians are trying to ram more and more laws down our throats
every day. All it will take is some fruitcake special interest group to
donate half a million dollars to re-elect some bozo, (I purposly left it
lower case because I don't want to insult some clown) and lobby for a
bill that requires a professional lifeguard to be on duty and there goes
your backyard pool. There are those out there that are already trying to
take our cars away and the reason that they have not succeeded is that
the major automobile manufacturers have more pull in Washington.

Anyway, I wish you well Ken, but instead of leaving the hobby you can
always start using indoor antennas, or antennas that are ground-mounted.

73 from Steve

P.S. I heard the tail end of a news report about a 1500 foot tower
falling down over the weekend. Does anybody know the full story?


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Goodbye.
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In article <[e-mail]> Steve Eklund <72527.01012@compuserve
.com> writes:
>
>P.S. I heard the tail end of a news report about a 1500 foot tower
>falling down over the weekend. Does anybody know the full story?

Yeah, it was in a suburb of Dallas. Apparently a crane was blown
over by a wind gust and severed a guy wire. The tower then buckled
and fell, carrying some workers up top down with it. This is always
a concern with a guyed tower. The workers had apparently discussed
stopping work for the day due to the wind, but decided to press
on. This turned out to be a terminally stupid decision.

Hams can draw two important lessons from this, protect your guys,
and quit work if the wind picks up more than you like. You can
bet I'm not going to be on a tower when it is windy enough to
blow over a construction crane if I can help it. I did get caught
on a 1,000 footer once by a sudden thunderstorm. Whee! That's
an experience I never want again.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:11 1996
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From: "Stuart R. Crawford" <[e-mail]>
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I have for sale a Vectronics VCI300 Antenna Tuner for HF for sale

Original Cost 1 year ago $250.00
Willing to let it go for $150.00

Please contact Stu at [e-mail]

Cheers

Stu


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From: Mike Snowden <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Ham Radio Clip Art
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:05:07 -0700
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Does anyone know of a source for ham radio clip art that can be used for
news letters?

Thanks, Mike K6YPB
        [e-mail]


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In article <[e-mail]>
Mike Snowden <[e-mail]> writes:

> Does anyone know of a source for ham radio clip art that can be used for
> news letters?
>
> Thanks, Mike K6YPB
>         [e-mail]

Try The ARRL BBS/FTP site I seem to remember seeing some art there.
-------------------------------------------------

Richard Lubash
N1VXW
email [e-mail]


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Subject: Ham Radio No-Code Technician Exam in VA
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Help -- My sanity is at stake.  My wife wants to take the exam, but
cannot locate info.  Lost in Manassas, VA. . . . .


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From: "DAVE ABSHIRE" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: HAM RADIO OUTLET PURCHASES
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HAM RADIO OUTLET PURCHASES

ASSETS OF TUCKER ELECTRONICS

AMATEUR RADIO BUSINESS

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT

John F. Holloran, Jr.

[phone] x8363

[e-mail]

DALLAS, October 16 - Tucker Electronics Company, a distributor of new and
reconditioned electronic test & measurement equipment, amateur and
shortwave radios, and electronic hobbyist products announced today it had
agreed to sell substantially all of its assets related to its amateur radio
business to Ham Radio Outlet ("HRO").

Tucker Electronics has discontinued operations of its retail store and
consumer mail-order business, and the company will immediately begin to
transfer the purchased assets to HRO's stores. Tucker plans to market its
vintage radios and any inventory not acquired by HRO on its website
(www.tucker.com) in early November.

The sale of its amateur radio business will allow Tucker Electronics to
focus on its core business, distributing new and reconditioned electronic
test & measurement equipment.



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        "Henry J. Ruhl" <[e-mail]>,
        James Ewen <[e-mail]>,
        Joel Weder <[e-mail]>, [e-mail],
        Stuart Logan <[e-mail]>,
        Wilfred Mulder <[e-mail]>, [e-mail],
        [e-mail], [e-mail],
        [e-mail], [e-mail],
        [e-mail], [e-mail]
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I have the following for sale

1 - Vectronics Antenna Tuner $150.00
2 - Beyond the Line of Sight VHF Book, IPARN Manual, Satellite Book,
WRTH 95, plus others will sell all together for $10.00.
3 - Amtron HF Whip 10 - 15m $10.00
4 - Colinear 2m Mobile/Base Vertical - $10.00

Please contact Stu at [e-mail] or
http://www.cwave.com/users/srcrawford


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] ( Bill Walker)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham TCP/IP and FreeSCO
Date: 15 Oct 1996 14:27:23 GMT
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This may be of some interest to the c.u.sco.misc folks who are also
ham operators, so I am cross-posting to comp.unix.sco.misc and
to rec.radio.amateur.misc.

I am now running a rather dated version of K5JB's (SK last month, RIP)
version of KA9Q tcp/ip.  This system has done yeoman work for several
years under my older SCO 3.2.4 system, and works equally well on my FreeSCO bo
x.
It was easy to compile, and provides a way to get on packet radio with
TCP/IP.

I am now looking for yet other unix-based ham radio TCP/IP systems to host on
my
fancy new FreeSCO box.

Anyone have something running?  (tnos, maybe ? --- I can't seem to make
it work yet).



--
Bill Walker (W5GFE)
[e-mail]
Chairman, Dept. of CS,
East Central University, Ada, Oklahoma 74820


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
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Subject: Ham Web Page
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 06:00:10 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
look. Included at the site are the following areas:

Ham Radio -- Mostly packet, mostly high speed

Pipe Smokers -- Very, very much still under construction

Astronomy -- Mostly Amateur Radio Astronomy (good 2nd interest for
Hams!)

Mapping -- Mostly about elevation maps

Heartland Internet Services -- Lots of Web Presence information

The URL to use is:

http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

Thanks!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

*****************************************************
If you're making too much money, don't go here!
http://www.adgrafix.com/info/calbertjr/sales.html
*****************************************************



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
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Hello, Folks:

I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
look. Included at the site are the following areas:

Ham Radio -- Mostly packet, mostly high speed

Pipe Smokers -- Very, very much still under construction

Astronomy -- Mostly Amateur Radio Astronomy (good 2nd interest for
Hams!)

Mapping -- Mostly about elevation maps - NEW INFO!

The URL to use is:

http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

I have just today (17 OCT) updated the pages to include a Frames
Version that makes navigation around the site easier. Note that the
non-Frames Versions are still there but the URLs have changed.

Thanks!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

*******************************************
Are You A Pipe Smoker? Have A Look!
http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty
*******************************************



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:20 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Handheld Dual Bands - who makes the best one?
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 03:33:57 GMT
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Alan Hyman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Jeff
>I good inexpensive choice is the yaeso Ft-50r, around $325.00
>Alan
>KA2PVR

> Hawkins wrote:
>>
>> I'm just now working on my no-code tech license and I'm looking at a dual b
and
>> handheld as my first radio.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to the bes
t
>> one to go with?
>>
>> Jeff Hawkins
>> [e-mail]


Jeff,

I have a Alinco 582 and like it alot.  Its scan is a bit slow but I
would buy another one without hesitation because it is simple to
program and work.  I also have a Yaesu 530 and its a bear to program,
unless you use it continuously and keep up
N7VWX



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert F. Good)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Handheld Dual Bands - who makes the best one?
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:42:02 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeff Hawkins) wrote:

>I'm just now working on my no-code tech license and I'm looking at a dual ban
d
>handheld as my first radio.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best


I just bought (a few weeks ago) a Yaesu FT-50R that I'm quite pleased
with.  I especially like being able to program it with a PC.  It has a
very sensitive receiver and really neat features.  Whatever you get,
get the speaker mic. you'll appreciate that, especially if you are
going to use it in the car with external antenna and DC power from the
cig lighter.  Also, if you can afford it, get the rapid charger - I
never had one before, but it's well worth the $, it's great to get a
full charge in an hour.  I also have a Alinco DJ-580T (now the 582)
which has been a good and reliable ht, but I will now sell to help pay
for a mobile rig, now that I've got the Yaesu.

Good luck on getting your ticket.

Regards, Bob Good, AE4XG


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul C)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Handheld Dual Bands - who makes the best one?
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Jeff Hawkins ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm just now working on my no-code tech license and I'm looking at a dual ba
nd
: handheld as my first radio.  Does anyone have any suggestions as to the best

: one to go with?

That's a religious argument there...  Simply put, there is no "best"
radio.

I've been on the air for a while, and have heard people complain about
their radios.  For the most part, they are happy with them, but have a
few gripes.

Alinco:  Cheap.  And inexpensive.  Lots of features for the price, but
quality tends to be lacking.  Proof of "you get what you pay for".
Several owners reported high sensitivity but poor selectivity; others
report the opposite.  Rather low in overall quality control, but has an
excellent "extended warranty" plan.

Yaesu:  Also well made.  Some find their HTs confusing to program.

Kenwood:  Also well made.  Kenwood has occasionally fallen for "creeping
featurism", where they add things that aren't really needed.  (Does
anyone *really* need video games on their HT?)

Icom:  Generally well made, solid engineering.  The 2AT radio has a
reputation for being virtually indestructable.  Their high end radios
hold their own against any others.  Generally regarded as being in the
same league as Kenwood and Yaesu, but a "hair" better (and more
expensive).

Radio Shack:  No dual band yet, but their single band HTs are of the
"big and tough and you can drive nails with them" variety.  Rumored to
be made by Maxon, the radios have an excellent receiver.  The only
drawback (to some) is that they are ham-band only; no listening to NOAA
or the cops on these.  (No diode-cutting mods, either.)

Standard:  What I own, two, in fact.  Outside of the US, Standard is
"the" radio to own for commercial use; at the level we give to Motorola
in the US.  I'd buy another Standard if I was in the market for a third
HT.

Before firing up the flamethrowers, please kepp in mind that this is
just a report of unsolicited comments that I've heard over the air and
in person.  I don't report on specific models, since with the exception
of what I have owned, I can't comment on them.

de N3EOP/6

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:22 1996
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From: "John Bachman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: HELP I/D this printer?
Message-ID: <01bbb841$2a80f4e0$2c0616cf@Panatek>
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The first three digits of the FCC number ID the manufacturer which might
help.  See www.anatekcorp.com/fcc.htm for more details.



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Filippo)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help x Trident video board sellers
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 08:17:30 GMT
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Hallo to All,
could  anyone of you there around help me in finding a dealer who
sells the TRIDENT video cards. I have contacted a couple of them in
the USA but they do not accept orders from foreingners.
A good choice would be to find a dealer in Europe to keep the postal
costs low.
Your replays via e-mail possibly :
    [e-mail]

Thanks for the  help de      IC8POF   Filippo   in Capri_Island

     73 es GL




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (rene)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help!! for Jonhson Radio
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 13:58:28 GMT
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I need to know if I can still use this Radio. This radio is leased to
us,drivers, by our company.Now my compony has closed (bankruptcy)
and I still have the Radio with me and teletrak.
Question: Can I still use this Radio??
If so How? and what shall I do ?















r




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:25 1996
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From: Siegfried Rambaum <[e-mail]>
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Subject: HELP: Yaesu FT-708 R
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I have a Yaesu FT-708 R, which I brought home to the USA from Germany.
Unfortunately, on the front panel, the labeling for the three switches
below the keypad has fallen off, and I wonder, what these switches might
be good for.

I also would need to come by to an operations manual for this rig.

Thank you for any response in this respect

Siegfried (KB2YVC, DC/KB2YVC, DE8FGO)




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jan van Lienden)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: Yaesu FT-708 R
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Siegfried,

According to the Instruction Manual FT-708R (Model A, B, X),
the text of keys look as below:

KEY          -MAN-       STEP
            |     |
> LOCK    CLEAR  BUSY    > X2

They have the following functions:

KEY
The switch will disable the buttons of the keyboard. When the
keyboard is in the "LOCK" mode (pushed to the right), the letter
"L" will be shown on the LCD display.

BUSY-MAN-CLEAR
This switch selects the STOP mode of the scanner.

STEP
This switch selects the desired synthesizer step. When this
switch is set to the X2 position, pushed to the right, 50 kHz
steps are programmed. When not in the X2 position, 25 kHz steps
are programmed.

I have the Instruction Manual, contact me if you want a copy.

Jan van Lienden PE1CID


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
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Bill Turner ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Ramon Gandia wrote:
: <snip>
: >
: >So I went back to CW, where people are much more polite.
: >
: ---------------------------------------------
: If it's politeness you're after, try RTTY.  The ops there are far and away t
he
: most courteous in all of ham radio, and I've tried it all.

: 73, Bill W7LZP
: [e-mail]

  On friend on RTTY said "It doesn't seem to bring out the animal in people,
like those other modes do."


K8EF

--
Gerry


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Richard Helton ([e-mail]) wrote:
<snip>


: By elimanating the code test requirement, you are not elimanating the code.
: Some people really enjoy it and they still can.

<snip>

  I think radio operators should know the code, not at any particular speed,
so they can understand the identifications which are so simply made
and universally receivable by slow or repetitious keying of any detectible
signal.  Be able to write it down, A= .- B= -... and so on

K8EF

--
Gerry


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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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In <[e-mail]>, Robert Barron <[e-mail]> writes:
>Gary Coffman wrote:
>> nor was it the primary reason for the early amateur's activities. Once
>> they knew contact was possible (and that's been a well established fact
>> for a very long time), the focus shifted to *doing something* with the
>> contact. Whether that was passing formal messages or casual chatting is
>> not the issue. The issue is that they started to exchange *information*.
>
>Hmmmm....  I'm curious.  When and how was this well established?  I can
>understand one having an opinion of that nature but how can it be so
>well established?

I read Gary as meaning that "It's been a well established fact for a
very long time that contact is possible." ...
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

In other words, what the HELL is the BFD about getting a piece of paper
that says you and some other guy passed inflated signal reports, names,
and callsigns?  It's NOT like being the first man to set food on the
moon for God's sake!!!

Contesting and DXing have BOTH had their "importance" GROSSLY
over-inflated by the "It's ONLY a hobby!" group and their self-centered
view of the world that says "They're our bands, just for us to play in,
and we don't want newcomers coming in and overcrowding them so that we
don't have room to play our games."

These gamer, "Only a hobby" attitudes will cost us our bands if they
continue to run rampant the way they have in the last 30 years or so.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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 So the Anti-code Being is on the soapbox again. It doesn't matter
what activities you get involved in on the air as long as you do.
What we need is numbers to show we have a viable claim to our bits
of spectrum. Contesting is fun and part of the hobby that helps get
people on the air and active, even buying equipment. If you dont
think its popular, look at the scores for them in QST and CQ.
Although the sunspot cycle is low so participation is down, look at
the activity in better years Even with my not so competitive
station, in contests past have made as many as 700-800 contacts in
a weekend and had a good time participating. CW contests are the
most fun for me, much less QRM. DXCC is the same, it gets people on
the air and active. If morse, contests, and dxcc are so worthlessly
lame why do the seminars at the various hamfests have the rooms so
packed if the seminars are on these subjects? Hardly anyone goes to
the packet seminars.



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:31 1996
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From: Dan Metzger <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: HF Amateur Radio
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 18:36:50 +0000
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>No matter what our communications objective, the more
>throughput we have the better we can accomplish it.

"Our inventions are but improved means to an unimproved end.  We are
in gread haste to construct a magnetic telegraph from Maine to Texas;
but Maine and Texas, it may be, have nothiing important to
communicate.

"We are eager to tunnel under the Atlantic and bring the old world
some weeks closer to the new; .. but perchance the first news that
will leak through will be that the Princess Adelaide has the whooping
cough."
                                                -Thoreau in Walden, 1850


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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In article <53rd5n$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Contesting and DXing have BOTH had their "importance" GROSSLY
>over-inflated by the "It's ONLY a hobby!" group and their self-centered
>view of the world that says "They're our bands, blah blah blah, yada
>yada yada broken record..."
>
>These gamer, "Only a hobby" attitudes will cost us our bands if they
>continue to run rampant the way they have in the last 30 years or so.

I don't know of too many people who exchange QSL cards for VHF
contacts (other than 6 meters, that is). Perhaps you'll be kind enough
to detail the numerous threats to our HF spectrum, where QSL card
exchanges are predominent.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:33 1996
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[e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:
>...getting a piece of paper
>that says you and some other guy passed inflated signal reports, names,
>and callsigns?  It's NOT like being the first man to set food on the
>moon for God's sake!!!

Of course, when setting a dinner table on the moon, the food is not the
difficult part, the wine is.  Have you ever tried to set a proper table
including water and wine glasses in 12% gravity?  It's all you can do to
keep the tablecloth from floating up and upsetting the decanter!  Not
to mention the horrors of decanting the wine in the first place without
mixing-in the dregs.  And remember, when setting a table of food on the
moon, unlike earth, the fork always goes on the right-hand side, and
serving swiss cheese is very bad form.

When sending a signal from the moon, it helps to have a good earth ground!

--
.........Monty.
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:33 1996
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From: dvmclhk <[e-mail]>
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Hi,

I wish to build a 830MHz 6 element data transmission YAGI myself.

Can anyone tell me how to build one. It would be nice if someone

can supply me with the specification of such Yagi (e.g. the

element position from rear of boom, element length.....e.t.c.).

Is there anything special about the driven element of 800MHz

Yagi? Do we build them the same way as building a 2 Meters

band Yagi?

Thank you

Mr R Ho (AK)
[e-mail]
16-Oct-96


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:35 1996
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From: Bob Winingham <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: HRO PURCHASES TUCKER
Date: 17 Oct 1996 20:17:27 GMT
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HAM RADIO OUTLET PURCHASES

ASSETS OF TUCKER ELECTRONICS

AMATEUR RADIO BUSINESS

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT

John F. Holloran, Jr.

[phone] x8363

[e-mail]

DALLAS, October 16 - Tucker Electronics Company, a distributor of new
and
reconditioned electronic test & measurement equipment, amateur and
shortwave radios, and electronic hobbyist products announced today it
had
agreed to sell substantially all of its assets related to its amateur
radio
business to Ham Radio Outlet ("HRO").

Tucker Electronics has discontinued operations of its retail store and
consumer mail-order business, and the company will immediately begin to
transfer the purchased assets to HRO's stores. Tucker plans to market
its
vintage radios and any inventory not acquired by HRO on its website
(www.tucker.com) in early November.

The sale of its amateur radio business will allow Tucker Electronics to
focus on its core business, distributing new and reconditioned
electronic
test & measurement equipment.






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From: [e-mail] (david l. thompson)
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Subject: HRO purchases Tucker amateur radio business
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Here is a press release direct from HRO on the Tucker purchase:


                          FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

                              PRESS RELEASE

HAM RADIO OUTLET PURCHASES HAM RADIO ASSETS OF TUCKER ELECTRONICS OF
TEXAS OCTOBER 16TH 1996.

Ham Radio Outlet, the world's largest Ham Radio Equipment dealer,
announced today it had agreed to purchase substantially all the Ham
Radio Equipment assets of Tucker Electronics and the Ham Radio assests
of Oklahoma Comm Center which was aquired in July by Tucker.

Ham Radio Outlet will not be occupying the current Tucker store
location as all Ham Radio sales activity at Tucker will cease on
October 16th.

Ham Radio Outlet plans to consolidate Tucker's retail and mail order
operation with Ham Radio Outlet's New Hampshire store location.
Tucker's 1-800-559-7388 telephone number will be answered by Ham Radio
Outlet's New Hampshire store at this time. Ham Radio Outlet will
continue to market the "Tucker" Brand of accessories.

Ham Radio Outlet will be aquiring new locations and will announce
plans shortly.

For further information contact:

Bob Ferrero, W6RJ
President HRO
[phone]




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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:38 1996
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Subject: Re: I wanna learn Morse code! :-)
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 21:44:13 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jan T Pharo) wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:02:37 GMT, Helge Hopmark wrote in
><rec.radio.amateur.misc>:

>>I have started reading to the HAM licence, and have started thinking
>>of beginning with the morse part of the licence..
>>
>>Do anyone have programmes etc. to help me learn the morse code
>>alphabet? Tips etc. would also be great!

>Practise, practise, practise;
>read all signs you see as morse signals; hum the dots and dashses as
>you see the "Vinmonopolet" sign, the "RIMI" sign, the licence plate of
>the approaching automobile, the newspaper headlines, whatever ....
>>
Or wait a few years untill the code requirement no longer exists.

73,
Butch N2YMJ



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:39 1996
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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:12:26 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
> >On Wed, 02 Oct 1996 15:02:37 GMT, Helge Hopmark wrote in
> ><rec.radio.amateur.misc>:
> >>Do anyone have programmes etc. to help me learn the morse code
> >>alphabet? Tips etc. would also be great!

> Or wait a few years untill the code requirement no longer exists.

Or if you have a PC, download SuperMorse from an ftp site.

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Bell, Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: IC-T21A MODS NEEDED!!
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 04:17:21 GMT
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Just aquired this radio, Now I am needing all mods that are known
regarding this radio. Please send info via email to [e-mail]

THANKS!!
73 de Danny KC4OXP




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:40 1996
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From: "LB" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Icom 7000 or 7100
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I'm looking for a Second Hand Icom 7000 or 7100, reasonable price. To be
used for SETI groundstation.

tnx in advance
Luc ON9AAV


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (JUSTIN CARTER)
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Subject: Info Needed
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I am looking for info on a Kenwood TH-31AT 220 MHz Transceiver.  It is an
older model (real older).  Would appreciate an approximate value for this
radio in fair working condition, and any other details you might have.

Thanks, JC
--
"There's a fine line between eccentrics and geniuses.  If you're a little ahea
d
of your time, you're an eccentric, and if your a little to late, you're a
failure, but if you hit it right on the head, you're a genius.  So I have neve
r
worried much about eccentricity."       Tom Watson Jr., IBM


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Is equipment building and repair a lost art? Y
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In article <[e-mail]> <shen
[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Working on equipment has been a lost art for hams for sometime. One
>reason is most dont want to do it and the second is the new circuit
>paths are so tiny most cant do it. ie circiut paths on HT boards if a
>small drop of solder hit it it would bridge about a dozen or more paths.

Your idea of "small" solder drop and mine seem to be a bit different. :-)
For the tiny parts and boards, I use a hot air source (Weller Pyropen Jr)
and solder paste. No muss, no fuss.

Good job on the IC-735 repair though. I've had an optical shaft
encoder fail too, on a IC-745. I took the easy route and installed
a replacement rather than try to rebuild the old one. I've rebuilt
dozens of Vamco tape timers, though, because replacements aren't
available. That's a nasty little optical encoder.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:43 1996
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From: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 23:28:08 -0600
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Subject: Re: Is equipment building and repair a lost art? Y
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Working on equipment has been a lost art for hams for sometime. One
reason is most dont want to do it and the second is the new circuit
paths are so tiny most cant do it. ie circiut paths on HT boards if a
small drop of solder hit it it would bridge about a dozen or more paths.


I enjoy working on my gear. My IC-735 was dropped during shipping and
want insured for the amount that I bought it from the buyer. So I
decided to look into the problem myself.

1. The VFO was not responding to the turn of the axle.

ICOMS labor is 65.00/hr. I cant afford that. So I decided that I would
send it to Icom only if I for my monies worth and I screwed it up. :)

I opened the rig up and removed the VFO xle assembly. The light encoder
/ reciever for the VFO knob inside the brass axle case was smashed with
the circuit board for the light encoder unit. The circuit paths were not
that complex so I dug out my Etching solution and reetched another
circuit board. Not as neat as Icoms circuit paths but the same fasion. I
desoldered the parts from the broken board and resoldered them to my new
board. Reassembled the axle and it worked.

Nothing major ..... but I was happy and saved me a bundle of money and
heartaches. That was 4 years ago. I have fixed all my gear except
one....and that I sent to Icom. It needed a EXPERT going through with
good test equpiment. Its a early make IC32AT dual bander. Early EARLY 3
digit serial number. I dont have the test equipment to fix it. Soo this
one will go off to the company.

I fix radios for my friends all the time now. I charge nothing except
for parts....and thats at no profit.....I pay 12.00 they pay 12.00
nothing gained. Only thing I ask is they watch me fix it...so they learn
a little out of it. If they dont want to watch me then thats ok too.

I work on both HAMS and CBs for folks. Most of the CBrs I have helped
are now ham operators. I enjoy elmering too.

Anyway 73 to all
Mark WL7LZ

[e-mail]

Welcome replies....good and bad.



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: Is equipment building and repair a lost art? Y
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RE: the discussion on having to drill holes in circuit boards:

I once did a board where I first drilled the holes, then used fingernail
polish as resist, and then etched it using that stuff Radio Shack sells
{ferric cloride, I think}.  It was an AM radio using all discrete parts,
so hole position accuracy wasn't that critical (IF transformers were the
only exception).  Only downside: the residue of fingernail polish in
the holes was kinda stinky when I soldered parts to the board.  Other
than that, it worked fine.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:35:46 1996
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In <[e-mail]>, <shendo@acce
ss-one.com> writes:
>digit serial number. I dont have the test equipment to fix it. Soo this

well, there it is, mark. if there's a reason why equipment building and
repair will be a lost art, it's because people aren't introduced to what
equipment and tools they should consider acquiring should they wish
to delve into such an activity.

a recent QST had an article about a homebrew sheet metal brake,
for instance. screwdrivers, sockets, saws, files, drills, etc. all help
make homebrewing more enjoyable since you aren't stopped by lack
of a box or other hardware.

i'd almost suggest that a new ham's first purchase should be a tool
box and a good selection of common tools to fill it.


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From: [e-mail] (Rich & Katy Mulvey)
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On 9 Oct 1996 04:11:02 GMT, rdb <[e-mail]> wrote:
>My question is this:
>Are we who enjoy the technical aspects of the hobby headed for
>extinction? What do you think?

   Well, just drop by the QRP list at lehigh.edu sometime.  The group
is highly devoted to homebrewing, and is growing every day.  In
addition, just look at the number of kit companies and construction-
oriented clubs that have popped up in the past few years. Granted, QRP
is a niche market, but it is still a *growing* niche market, and
doesn't show any signs of slacking off.

- Rich


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From: [e-mail] (Mark Little)
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>
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Robert Casey <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >Right now, I'm playing around with an old early 60's AA5 AM tube radio,
> >substituting sub-mini "pencil" vacuum tubes for the standard 7 pin tubes
> >(using a heater voltage transformer to run the 12V and 6V heaters).  No
> >'real' reason, other than making a radio that might have been manufactured
> >if semiconductors had not been invented, and sub-mini tubes being the
> >"next generation" of tubes for AM radios (assume that mass production of
> >pencil tubes would get the cost down).
>
> I'm trying to take a 90's approach.  Just got in my box of minicircuits
> VCOs, and made a logarithmic amp from the National Semiconductor data
> sheet for one of their opamps... Together with info gleaned from KK7B's
> direct conversion receiver, a spectrum analyzer is my next project.
>
> With a VCO and a mixer, a nice 0-50 MHz VFO should take up the size of a
> pack of cigarettes, and is also on the project list.
>
> >Having fun.
>
> Some things never change.
>
> Bruce
> N6URH
> .

Amateur Radio is the place for ALL forms of radio activity, nostalgic or
leading edge (well, relatively speaking anyway). As a fraternity, we should
be encouraging this spread of activity.

I started in electronics when germanium transistors were hot property
(literally from thermal run-away) and valves were bread and butter. I wouldn't
consider using valves in a project, but I still like to see the craftmanship
that was evident with the loomed wiring, component leads bent just so around
the terminal posts, etc. The vintage cars of radio.


Mark.




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I just finished my Sub-mini tube AM radio, and it works reasonably
well.  Imagine sub-mini tubes running directly off the powerline
(except for the heaters have a transformer).  Took an image file
of the innards of this radio, and also drew a diagram as JPG
files.  will post when Netcom becomes stable again, their system
is slow right now.


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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I think many of today's Techs (and other classes) aren't homebrewing.
: Part of the reason for that is many of them are new to amateur radio
: and aren't quite sure of their skills and knowledge yet, IE they're
: a bit intimidated by the thought of building their own equipment. And
: part of it is the wealth of available off the shelf equipment, so there
: is no pressing need to build. But I take issue with the idea that you
: must be on HF to homebrew.

Didn't mean to give that impression; sorry.



: I'm frankly flabbergasted by this comment in reference to the IC-706.
: In my opinion, the IC-706 is the most intuitive and operator friendly
: radio I've ever owned. It takes about 5 minutes to learn to navigate
: the menus, after that you can toss the instruction book (even without
: the initial resort to the instruction book, you can quickly figure
: things out). Every feature is clear and basically self-explanatory.

Maybe for someone who is experienced with navigating menu systems; these OTs
were not.  The point they were making is that there were more similarities
in operation and naming of controls from one rig to another, on the older
gear.  I have to admit to some frustration with my IC-706 and the menus, but
it goes get easier with experience.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



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>
>
> I think the Amateur Community is not as " tuned into " electronics as it onc
e
> was.  With the actual queations and answers presented there is no need to le
arn
> Ohms or Kirchoffs law  How many can calculate the gain to a common emmiter
> amplifier circuit.  You do not learn that by reading a Q & A Manual.
>  I used the ARRL License manuals in the early 1970s. It was basically a syli
bus
> (sp) of what one needed to know to pass the exam.  Then you " hit the books
"
> for the answers.  Now you just memorize the answers to the questions.  Sure
> some knowledge has to soak in, but the majority appears to be forgotton once

>  " you passed  "  is heard .  I happen to be in the business and the kinds o
f
> questions I receive have really changed over the 7 years I've been involved.
> Now I speand most of my time merely reading the manual verbatium to the call
er
> who appears to be willing to pay long distance charges to be read to.  Not
> complaining,  the customer needs and abilities have changed over the years.
>  I have chatted with EE degreed  Extra class license holders who could not c
ut
> a dipole antenna which I found amazing but true none the less.
> I do agree the need for club projects, how about showing some club members h
ow
> to photo etch a circuit board, or what positive feedback really does, build
an
> antenna tuner or SWR meter Building is great fun.  It's up to the builders o
f
> the community to give a hand and show the new comers what they are missing
>
> Gary
>
> .

This is not unique to "new" amateurs. The other day at the radio club I repair
ed
a radio for a full call (has had a licence for 30+ years). The fault was a sim
ple
mechanical mis-alignment of the PTT plunger onto the switch. This same amateur
needed help to determine that the lead fromn the battery charger has a break i
n
it.

Mind you, he is a good operator
Mark.




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In Article <[e-mail]>, through puissant locution,
 [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) soliloquized:
>Many of today's radios have gone to surface mount parts, and that
>makes repair a lot easier. You only need to be able to get to one
>side of a circuit board, so you often don't have to disassemble
>the radio very far in order to replace the bad part. SMD has made
>the repairman's job much easier.

Greetings. The topic has been lost here... "repairman" not the same
as "equipment building and repair"... All you needed back then
was a roll of solder, some flux, and a 60Watter... compare this
to the $500+ Pace SMD rework station... Yes, a repairman IS
equipped to repair and maybe even "homebrew" with SMD... but the
average Joe "Ham" Sixpack is certainly not.

I can easily repair a DIP-based device... a $15 desoldering iron
from RatShack and some experience gives me perfect unsolders 99%
of the time... but I can not afford an SMD station.

Not that I don't improvise... I snip the legs off the SMD device
with a Dremel and glue down the new device on top of the old and
solder in 30ga wires from the old pads to the new.. or use a
DIP... or just toss it.

[sorry, pet peeve]

Take care.
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In article <546ohn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Filip M Gieszczykiew
icz) writes:
>In Article <[e-mail]>, through puissant locution
, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) soliloquized:
>>Many of today's radios have gone to surface mount parts, and that
>>makes repair a lot easier. You only need to be able to get to one
>>side of a circuit board, so you often don't have to disassemble
>>the radio very far in order to replace the bad part. SMD has made
>>the repairman's job much easier.
>
>Greetings. The topic has been lost here... "repairman" not the same
>as "equipment building and repair"... All you needed back then
>was a roll of solder, some flux, and a 60Watter... compare this
>to the $500+ Pace SMD rework station... Yes, a repairman IS
>equipped to repair and maybe even "homebrew" with SMD... but the
>average Joe "Ham" Sixpack is certainly not.
>
>I can easily repair a DIP-based device... a $15 desoldering iron
>from RatShack and some experience gives me perfect unsolders 99%
>of the time... but I can not afford an SMD station.

You appear to have a mistaken impression that SMD work requires
an expensive SMD rework station. In fact it does not. All you
really need is a source of static hot air and a few inexpensive
tools and supplies. A Weller Pyropen Jr is an inexpensive and
convienent source of static hot air. Add tweezers, toothpicks,
small bottles of solder paste and flux, a bit of solderwick, a
bit of modeling clay, and a jeweler's loupe, and you have a
complete SMD rework station that'll fit in a coat pocket and
will work in places where you can't even find an outlet to plug
in your soldering iron.

>Not that I don't improvise... I snip the legs off the SMD device
>with a Dremel and glue down the new device on top of the old and
>solder in 30ga wires from the old pads to the new.. or use a
>DIP... or just toss it.

Yuck! What an ugly technique. Why not just properly remove the
SMD device and replace it with a new one? It isn't hard to do
the repair correctly. You've just got to get over the one pin
at a time fixation soldering irons tend to promote.

Gary

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Ron/Jeanne Angle ([e-mail]) wrote:
: That extended warranty will replace as many Nicad batteries as
: you wish for all five years of the warranty. And the standard
: battery is good for only about nine months! Good way to get
: free batteries when they otherwise cost $40.

Good point, but when it comes to replacing the battery pack, I'll probably
get one with a higher rating, such as from Icom or Periphex.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



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Jim Lowman wrote:
>
> Diback ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : I am anxeously awaiting my ham ticket, and I'm looking at perspective
> : radios.  For a while, I realy liked the HTX 202 from Radio Shack, and I've
> : heard good things about it over 2 meters on my scanner.  Resently, a store
> : owner told me that any thing that Radio Shack puts out, is trash, and to
> : get some other brand( he recomended a Standard something or other).  Is
> : this true, or did he just want me to get something from his store?  Any
> : recomendations for a first radio?
> : Any feed-back would be appreceated.

>  My feeling is
> that, at the discounted price I paid ($189.95) during a sale, if it worked
> for a year that was fine; anything more is gravy.  If it failed, it would
> give me an opportunity to buy a dual-bander, such as the FT-51R.

Hmmmm.  $189 ?  Check out the price of the Alinco DJ-180T, it is
now going for $199 brand new and its a good set.  I have one,
my only complaint on the DJ-180 is that my eyesight is not too
good anymore and I have a heck of a time reading the LCD display.

Other Alinco models have larger LCD's with big numerals for us old
geezers.  Standard is 10 memories, optional is 240 or so.
Larger batteries for extended time, or for more power, or both
are available, as well as speaker/mikes, cases, fast chargers,
you name it.  DTMF keypad is standard.

YOu pays your money and makes your choice.
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Ramon Gandia ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Hmmmm.  $189 ?  Check out the price of the Alinco DJ-180T, it is
: now going for $199 brand new and its a good set.  I have one,
: my only complaint on the DJ-180 is that my eyesight is not too
: good anymore and I have a heck of a time reading the LCD display.

: Other Alinco models have larger LCD's with big numerals for us old
: geezers.  Standard is 10 memories, optional is 240 or so.
: Larger batteries for extended time, or for more power, or both
: are available, as well as speaker/mikes, cases, fast chargers,
: you name it.  DTMF keypad is standard.

: YOu pays your money and makes your choice.

Wish I had paid more attention this past weekend.  Alinco had a large booth
at the Southwestern Division Convention in Phoenix (Mesa) and I didn't pay
as much attention as I should have.  Several of us were manning the booth
to take advance registrations for the same convention next year in
Riverside, so our time was somewhat limited.  But, Alinco had a neat 70 cm
HT that was about the size of a pack of cigarettes or somewhat smaller.  I
suppose asking for a dual-bander that size is being to greedy.  :-)

73 de Jim - KF6CR


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Jim Lowman ([e-mail]) wrote:

: But, Alinco had a neat 70 cm
: HT that was about the size of a pack of cigarettes or somewhat smaller.  I
: suppose asking for a dual-bander that size is being to greedy.  :-)

Not at all.. Standard has had one out for a year now.  ~280 mW, ran all
through Dayton on a pair of AA Energizers.

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The Habo Scoutgroup.

YES! Live! Here's the new modified Web page from the
Habo Scoutgroup, Sweden. Now with The Java applet
"InterHam" that connects our radio-transmitter to the
Internet. Just take a look at:
 http://www.algonet.se/~jhe/jota.html
as of the 18-20 October, you will see the active
-LIVE- transmitting/receiving frequency from an IC-735
(ie a radio transmitter) operating in the Jamboree On
The Air 1996.  Abt 50Km North of Stockholm. Just Tune
in your transceiver and give us a call.

n.b At some times there will be a [inactive] message,
just give it another try later.


All the best! Cu at the JOTA/I!
73 de SM0SBX
Y.i.s /Jan

mailto:[e-mail]
http://www.algonet.se/~jhe/jota.html

/Jan Habo-Scoutgroup Radio-Operator SM0SBX


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:01 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Japan Operating
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 07:48:17 -0700
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KC5WCP wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a HAM friend who needs to know what he needs to do to operate
> VHF/UHF whilst in Japan on tour of duty. Do they use the same band
> plan? What governmental office does he contact for temporary license?
>
> He will also be doing a short stint in Australia and would like info
> for same.

KC5WCP See the DX Reference page below for overseas license info.

73
Rod in San Diego

--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:02 1996
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From: [e-mail](au)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TH-78a CONTROL LOCKED UP
Date: 16 Oct 1996 19:11:13 GMT
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In <5422si$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jimmy Navarro) writes:
>
>I have a TH-78a 507007# mod to 50-179.995, 300-399, 400-511.99,
>800-999.99.  While playing, for unknown reason, all controls were
>locked including the knobs (volume/squelch).  The red and green
>lights were alternating in both bands; seems the unit was heating
>up, too...  Out of my desperation I reset the memory with (M+POWER),
>booooom!  Well, if the same occurence happen what should I do
>intead of M+POWER?  73!  Jimmy Navarro KE6FPK
>
How about removing the battery?


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jimmy Navarro)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Kenwood TH-78a CONTROL LOCKED UP
Date: 16 Oct 1996 07:29:22 GMT
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I have a TH-78a 507007# mod to 50-179.995, 300-399, 400-511.99,
800-999.99.  While playing, for unknown reason, all controls were
locked including the knobs (volume/squelch).  The red and green
lights were alternating in both bands; seems the unit was heating
up, too...  Out of my desperation I reset the memory with (M+POWER),
booooom!  Well, if the same occurence happen what should I do
intead of M+POWER?  73!  Jimmy Navarro KE6FPK



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Roser)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Knickerbocker Amateur Radio Club - WA2OEG interference
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 02:20:20 GMT
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I'm looking for assistance in trying to resolve a persistent
interference problem.  A simplex phone patch identifying as WA2OEG has
been on our repeater input on 147.595 for quite some time.  Despite
numerous requests to the person listed as the club's trustee to please
QSY, and his agreement to move it,  this patch continues to operate on
our input frequency.

Considering diplomatic requests to resolve this have failed, what is
my next resort?  I can't involve our frequency coordination body,
TSARC, because they are apparently out of business.  Besides, no
frequency coordinator can be an official enforcer of FCC rules.

If you are a user of this patch, please ask the trustee to move it to
another frequency.  I can't tell who the users are because their
callsigns are never broadcast on the patch itself, just the callsign
WA2OEG.




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (EMTP4355)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Look who is in my shack
Date: 13 Oct 1996 12:59:23 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
writes:

>Subject:       Look who is in my shack
>From:  Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
>Date:  Thu, 10 Oct 1996 06:23:45 -0400
>
>*** THIS MESSAGE HAS BEEN ADDED BY THE OFFLINE NEWSGROUPS READER ***
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>has been marked as read:

---THANK  YOU ---

Joseph K Murphy, EMT-P                                        KF4KEK
[e-mail]                                                EM75RW

                                    Harriman, TN  USA


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Allen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: looking for a list of nets
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 04:40:08 GMT
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I used to catch a trivia net on i belive it was 80m ...and i cant
remember the frq.  (too much rf in the shack.. hi...) does someone on
the web maintain a list of hf nets ? ?   tnx


        Take care 73, Allen KB6PQG [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:07 1996
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To: Allen <[e-mail]>

Allen wrote:
>
> I used to catch a trivia net on i belive it was 80m ...and i cant
> remember the frq.  (too much rf in the shack.. hi...) does someone on
> the web maintain a list of hf nets ? ?   tnx
>
>
>         Take care 73, Allen KB6PQG [e-mail]


Hi Allen. Well I'm working on a list of nets on the DX Refernece Page
below. Pass along any others if u would please.

73
Rod in San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:07 1996
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From: Joe Giraudo <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: looking for a list of nets
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Allen wrote:
>
> I used to catch a trivia net on i belive it was 80m ...and i cant
> remember the frq.  (too much rf in the shack.. hi...) does someone on
> the web maintain a list of hf nets ? ?   tnx
>
>
>         Take care 73, Allen KB6PQG [e-mail]

The ARRL publishes the Net Directory annually.  It only costs $3.00.  I
keep one handy for ready reference in the shack and for HF mobile ops.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (BILL SHYMANSKI)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for IC
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 96 21:18:00 -0600
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Re: Old ICs - I'm not sure if they have it but that MC 4016 decade
counter sounds like something BG Micro near Dallas, Texas would have;
they advertise regularly in the hobby electronics magazines ( they used
to advertise regularly in Computer SHopper before it became just another
reviewer of press releases).

Good luck,
    Bill
     [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Thor Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Looking for transistor.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:55:15 GMT
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Hello.

My Datong AD-370 antenna has stopped working, and I can't find the
transistor MJ310 in any books, and I have checked different dealers.

Can someone help me with a replacement for this transistor? Or the
address, fax no. or email address to Datong?

73's LA2DAA Thor.




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Thor Andersen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for transistor.
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[e-mail] (Doyle Souders) wrote:

>I checked some of our cross references and I see an N-Channel JFET with
>the number J310.  The JEDEC package type for this device is TO-92.  A
>TO-92 is a small black plastic package that is flat on one side and
>with three inline leads.  From the top the package looks like the
>letter D.  This FET is listed as a RF, VHF, UHF amplifier device.  If
>that package matches yours then this might be the device you are
>looking for and it should be listed in most cross reference catalogs
>under JFETs or FETs.
>Hope this helps.

Helllo Doyle.

Thanks very much for your information!

Could you please give me the pin-out for the transistor, so I can try
another one. I'm haven't been able to get this one.

If you have a replacment transistor in your reference book, please
send it to me.

best 73's LA2DAA Thor.




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Kennedy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for transistor.
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 19:56:59 GMT
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[e-mail] (Thor Andersen) wrote:

>Hello.

>My Datong AD-370 antenna has stopped working, and I can't find the
>transistor MJ310 in any books, and I have checked different dealers.

>Can someone help me with a replacement for this transistor? Or the
>address, fax no. or email address to Datong?

>73's LA2DAA Thor.


If it is an RF part, try:

1-800-RF-PARTS

Steve
WB7PSD



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:12 1996
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From: Bob Doyle <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for transistor.
Date: 16 Oct 1996 08:26:01 -0700
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Thor Andersen wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> My Datong AD-370 antenna has stopped working, and I can't find the
> transistor MJ310 in any books, and I have checked different dealers.
>
> Can someone help me with a replacement for this transistor? Or the
> address, fax no. or email address to Datong?
>
> 73's LA2DAA Thor.

My guess is that you're looking for a J310 JFET.  It used to be a fairly
common RF JFET.  The U310 was the same device in a metal can instead of
plastic.  You might retry your search looking for these more "generic"
part numbers.

73,
Bob Doyle, WA3TGF


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Subject: LOOKING FOR TS50 MOD
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Hello I'm looking for Kenwood TS50 mod to up the power to 250 watts...

Brian


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Subject: Need LM344H
Date: 18 Oct 1996 18:23:03 GMT
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        I desperately need four LM344H ICs. If you have some, or know
 of a supplier, please email me. Thanks.

 Phil

+---------------------------------------+
|  Phil Heaton, KE4KRT, [e-mail]    |
| Three can keep a secret, if two are dead |
+---------------------------------------+



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:15 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New "code" test paramters .
Date: 15 Oct 1996 01:34:03 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, David Solomon <[e-mail]>
writes:
>Jim Conn wrote:
>>
>> [e-mail] wrote:
>> >
>> > I propose that we "de-emphasize the CW part of Amatuer tests, making the
test a total cumulative, type test,
>> > where in the failure of any one element is not a total failure. I.E. The
code part would count for only 30% of the
>> > total score, if you can pass the "theory" witha perfect 70%, yet fail the
 CW part , you would still pass, and if
>> > you got 5-20% of the CW, you would be able to lose part of the theory, an
d still pass the over-all total of at
>> > least 70% score .
>> >  What do you think of this idea ?
>> >  Hey, FCC, ARRL, what about it ??
>> >  A "compromise", for the "coders & the non-coders" arguements.

>> If you pass the written part of your drivers test, but fail the eye exam
>should they grant driving privileges?

No ...  more like "If you get all of the other questions right, but fail
to recognize one single sign, should you be denied your license."

The eye test relates directly to safety of operation, the CW test DOES
NOT.

Another mindless strawman from the pro-code side bites the dust.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: Jim Conn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New "code" test paramters .
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I propose that we "de-emphasize the CW part of Amatuer tests, making the tes
t a total cumulative, type test,
> where in the failure of any one element is not a total failure. I.E. The cod
e part would count for only 30% of the
> total score, if you can pass the "theory" witha perfect 70%, yet fail the CW
 part , you would still pass, and if
> you got 5-20% of the CW, you would be able to lose part of the theory, and s
till pass the over-all total of at
> least 70% score .
>  What do you think of this idea ?
>  Hey, FCC, ARRL, what about it ??
>  A "compromise", for the "coders & the non-coders" arguements.

Sorry, but appeasement is not the answer.  Here in Florida we know better
than to feed alligators.

Jim - AD4VL



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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: New "code" test paramters .
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David Solomon <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Jim Conn wrote:
>>
>> [e-mail] wrote:
>> >
>> > I propose that we "de-emphasize the CW part of Amatuer tests, making the
test a total cumulative, type test,
>> > where in the failure of any one element is not a total failure. I.E. The
code part would count for only 30% of the
>> > total score, if you can pass the "theory" witha perfect 70%, yet fail the
 CW part , you would still pass, and if
>> > you got 5-20% of the CW, you would be able to lose part of the theory, an
d still pass the over-all total of at
>> > least 70% score .
>> >  What do you think of this idea ?
>> >  Hey, FCC, ARRL, what about it ??
>> >  A "compromise", for the "coders & the non-coders" arguements.
>> If you pass the written part of your drivers test, but fail the eye exam
>should they grant driving privileges?

The process as suggested by kk5dr is no different than today's
theory test.  If you miss every question about SSB you are
still allowed to operate SSB.  Comparing an eye exam and a drivers
test is ridiculous.  Consider too that many times people who do
have a problem with part of a driving test (eg. parking) still
pass and are not forbidden from parking.

Anyway, I, crossposting this to rec.radio.amateur.policy which
is where it should be.


Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:19 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New "code" test paramters .
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:30:18 -0800
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I propose that we "de-emphasize the CW part of Amatuer tests, making the tes
t a total cumulative, type test, I.E. The code part would
> count for only 30% of the
> total score, if you can pass the "theory" witha perfect 70%,
> yet fail the CW part , you would still pass, and if
> you got 5-20% of the CW, you would be able to lose part of the
> theory, and still pass the over-all total of at
> least 70% score .
>  What do you think of this idea ?

It is not alltogether a bad proposal, but I think the FCC/ITU is
correct in handling it separately.  This is because while the
theory/regs rules changes from time to time, and from country to
country, the code is a constant and is (right now) consider a
core part of the amateur service.

Perhaps a better way to test for code would be having several
written test questions about the morse code.  No sending or
reciving test would be involved:

Q1.  What is the dot-dash pattern for the morse letter Y ?
     1.  di-da-da-da  2.  da-dit   3. da-di-da-da   4.  da-da-di-da

Another variant which probably would also serve, and not be as
drastic a step as the one above would be a tape played, which has
a ham radio callsign, or a three leter random group.  The question
would be:

[Tape is sending the morse letters GBN over and over for 30 or
60 seconds at, say, 5 wpm....or 13....or 20....etc.]

Q1.  The three morse code letter sequence being played in the
     tape is:  (1)  WVA   (2)  GVA   (3)  KBA    (4)  GBN

[This question would allow the use of four tapes with one
question, with the answer keyed to the tape].

This would probably smell better to the purists.... is simple,
DOES require a measure of ability, etc.  Recall your novice days
when callsigns, RST and QTH had to be repeated five or six times
to get it right?  Same idea.


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From: David Solomon <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: New "code" test paramters .
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 16:15:11 -0700
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Jim Conn wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > I propose that we "de-emphasize the CW part of Amatuer tests, making the t
est a total cumulative, type test,
> > where in the failure of any one element is not a total failure. I.E. The c
ode part would count for only 30% of the
> > total score, if you can pass the "theory" witha perfect 70%, yet fail the
CW part , you would still pass, and if
> > you got 5-20% of the CW, you would be able to lose part of the theory, and
 still pass the over-all total of at
> > least 70% score .
> >  What do you think of this idea ?
> >  Hey, FCC, ARRL, what about it ??
> >  A "compromise", for the "coders & the non-coders" arguements.
> If you pass the written part of your drivers test, but fail the eye exam
should they grant driving privileges?


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bry)
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Does anyone know if the new newsgroup:
rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
has got started yet?

E-mail me!

Bry, AF4K

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Donn J. Sachs)
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Subject: Noise in HF Gear from P.C.
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When I turn on my PC, (486-33), and use it at the same time I have my HF rig
running I get noise on the HF receiver caused by the PC.
I can tell when my hard drive is accessed, I don't even need to look
at the controller access LED, my HF buzzes and crackles.

Now I know it's time to upgrade but anybody have any suggestions on how
to quiet, actually suppress, the RFI from the PC??

When I buy a new mother board should I look for an FCC certified type,
if it exists??


Donn.
 KC8CTP


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:22 1996
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From: Jason Charles <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Not a wonderful life, no life.
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 02:18:13 -0500
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Burt Fisher wrote:
>
> Howard Watson wrote:
>
> > but since most, if not all, your recent posts seem inclusive of all
> > hams I could just as easily ask you the same question.
>
> I never meant my posts to apply to ALL hams, just almost all.
> I should make that clearer.
>
>
> > Personally, I do NOT believe you are half as bad as you make out to
> > be.  I do not pretend to know what your motivation for these attacks
> > are, although I could make some educated guesses.  If I am right, I
> > would be happy to discuss it in E mail.  I would even give my word NOT
> > to blow your cover if it should turn out that you are really a nice
> > person, if that is what you wish. <G>
>
> My motivation is to do the impossible, to get hams to think.
> There are some people that think I am nice, a couple are hams.
>                   .-.
>   //  ,.  \\     /   \           .-.                                 .
>   \\ (  ) //    /     \         /   \       .-.     _     .-.       /
>    \>-'`-</    /--Burt Fisher [e-mail]-\---/-\---/---\-----/--
>     ( )( )              \     /       \   /     `-'   `-'     \   /
>      )  (                \   /         `-'                     `-'
>     /    \                `-'
>     \    /
>      \/ /     <----- Hams this is a female
>      ( <
>       \ |

I will give you the benefit of the doubt, anyone that can spend as much
time posting things like this can't be all bad :)

Jason


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Not a wonderful life, no life.
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:28:30 -0400
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Andrew C Robertson wrote:

> :   //  ,.  \\
> :   \\ (  ) //
> :    \>-'`-</
> :     ( )( )
> :      )  (
> :     /    \
> :     \    /
> :      \/ /     <----- Hams this is a female
> :      ( <
> :       \ |
>
> No hams, be not deceived.  This is not a female.  This is a lame ascii
> representation of a female.

The closest most hams will get to one.
Especially contesters.

--
#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
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|                           [e-mail]                         |
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:29 1996
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From: "Pat Wilson" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Not a wonderful life, no life.
Date: 15 Oct 1996 01:37:48 GMT
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But Andrew, to Bert, that is a female.  He blows one up every night so he
will have someone with whom to converse.

Blow Bert, Blow.....

Andrew C Robertson <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<53tnf1$[e-mail]>...
> Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> : I never meant my posts to apply to ALL hams, just almost all.
> : I should make that clearer.
>
> But Burt, if you don't stereotype us all into one homogenous blob of
> "hamdom", your already-limp trolls will become total flops.
>
> Despite occasional statements like the above, I'll bet Burt continues his

> unqualified stereotyping, since he's managed to learn that it's one of
the
> most effective ways to get a rise out of people.
>
> :   //  ,.  \\
> :   \\ (  ) //
> :    \>-'`-</
> :     ( )( )
> :      )  (
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> :     \    /
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> :      ( <
> :       \ |
>
> No hams, be not deceived.  This is not a female.  This is a lame ascii
> representation of a female.
>
> drewbob    aa1hx
>


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From: [e-mail] (Andrew C Robertson)
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Burt Fisher ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I never meant my posts to apply to ALL hams, just almost all.
: I should make that clearer.

But Burt, if you don't stereotype us all into one homogenous blob of
"hamdom", your already-limp trolls will become total flops.

Despite occasional statements like the above, I'll bet Burt continues his
unqualified stereotyping, since he's managed to learn that it's one of the
most effective ways to get a rise out of people.

:   //  ,.  \\
:   \\ (  ) //
:    \>-'`-</
:     ( )( )
:      )  (
:     /    \
:     \    /
:      \/ /     <----- Hams this is a female
:      ( <
:       \ |

No hams, be not deceived.  This is not a female.  This is a lame ascii
representation of a female.

drewbob    aa1hx


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:31 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Not a wonderful life, no life.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:48:27 -0400
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Peter Lemken wrote:

> Oh, you mean you post to the sex groups anonymously?

That may be your way, not mine.
Do you like the sex groups?
Too bad you missed the holocaust

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
#====================================================================#
If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:32 1996
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From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Not a wonderful life, no life.
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 12:53:47 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jeff Stevenson wrote:
>>
>> You don't even wanna know what Burt's profile looks like at Deja News.
>> Although I have a strong suspicion that the articles to the sex groups were
>> forged.
>
>They were.
>I am not stupid.

Oh, you mean you post to the sex groups anonymously?


Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ



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On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Burt Fisher wrote:

> Peter Lemken wrote:
>
> > Oh, you mean you post to the sex groups anonymously?
>
> That may be your way, not mine.
> Do you like the sex groups?
> Too bad you missed the holocaust
 Burt that last statement about the holocaust is way over the line even for
you.











Thomas J. Penton
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I am a stranger in a
even stranger land



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (ian g3zhi )
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ra chief executives g8hjh jim nortons pay+bonus
Civil Service Salary Bands
1995             1995                      1995               1994
£                     No.                       No.                No.
Grade 5      38,341 - 56,953                6                   5

Jim Norton Chief Executive's remuneration:
Salary including taxable benefits in kind   69,301            66,242
Bonus payments                       6,500               500
                                           ------
                                     Total    75,801            66,742
                                           ------


ra costs on cb/amateur radio

                        1995                       1994
                 income cost  surplus    income  cost     surplus
                              (deficit)                  (deficit)
in '000 pounds

Citizens Band Radio 735 1,196 (461)      851    1,015    (164)
Amateur Radio       997 1,460 (463)      984    927        57

The financial objective in each case is to recover the full cost from
customers. Full cost for each individual form of a statutory service
is
calculated by the Agencis costing system and involves a significant
apportionment of overhead costs which cannot be directly allocated at
this
level of detail. The performance in each case against the objective of

full cost recovery is evident from the figures given. The Agency is
developing a three-year plan to minimise surpluses/deficits on service

sectors and to reduce significantly its overall surplus.


number of uk hams 94/95            1995             1995

Amateur Radio A                   32,793           31,817
Amateur Radio B                   26,530           29,717
Amateur Radio Novice A               192              139
Amateur Radio Novice B             1,942            1,360
Amateur Sub Total                 61,457           63,033







From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:35 1996
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From: Ian Wade <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>, ian g3zhi
<[e-mail]> writes
>ra chief executives g8hjh jim nortons pay+bonus

Thank you for sharing this with us.

Point a: It's unreadable, like most of your articles, because you don't
         understand what carriage return means.

Point b: It has at least one factual error in it (in addition to the
         smelling pistakes).

Perhaps you would care to re-format the article, correct the error, then
tell us exactly what *is* your point?

73
Ian, G3NRW


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From: Ruud de Boo <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Pin Layout TBA570A ???
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 08:59:41 -0700
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Hi,

Can anyone describe the pin layout of this chip ???
Answers by mail:
mailto://[e-mail],
Or to Richard
mailto://[e-mail]

Thanx
-- =

Ruud de Boo
Academic Medical Centre, Amsterdam
A.D.I.V. Cluster Divisies
[phone]
[e-mail]
Kn=F8tslings at  http://huizen.dds.nl/~r_deboo
Arcana info at http://www.xs4all.nl/~cmr/arcana.html


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:38 1996
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From: Richard Hager <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Plate voltages, Eimac Tube Book
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 14:05:08 -0400
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Robert Ganter wrote:
>
> [e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net wrote:
> >
> >  maybe some local old timer may have the Eimac 'Care and Feeding of Power
> >  Grid Tubes'. It does a great job of explaining the whole deal with load l
ines,
> >  impedances, and all. They're not too tough to understand. Only the Gate 2
> >  Vanity Call operation is beyond comprehension. Cheers!
>
> Do they still sell this book (or booklet) ? I would be very interested.
> If it is not available anymore, could someone photocopy it?
> Robert HB9NBY--

Hello,  I too would like to get a photocopy of this book.  Please email.

        Richard Hager

+ Ah-ha! Design Group, Inc.           -
+ Precision CNC Technology, since 1991 -
+ 612-641-1797, Fax: [phone]       -
+ "I just like to build stuff" So...     -
+ for CNC info, don't email me, call      -
+ or email Ah-ha! directly.  Thanks!       -
+ www.gdic.com/ahha  email: [e-mail]   -


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:39 1996
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Date: 16 Oct 1996 23:11:00 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Wolf Harranth)
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Still working on our research project we invite and welcome *any* kind of
information & QSLs on pre-WW II YL operators (outside UK and VK)
particularly from
- Portugal (Pie de Avillez CT1BE)
- France (Madame Schotte F8YL)
- Germany, Spain, Italy...
- New Zealand (Thelma Souper ZL2FR/ZL1CN, Margaret Chapman ZL4GB, Renee
McCurdy ZL3HC, Peggy Cameron ZL4CL...)
etc. etc.

Has anybody a spare copy of
QC YL / The Story on Women in Amateur Radio
by Louisa B. Sando W5RZJ
to sell or donate?

Please pass the word. Please forward this message to your local/regional
Packet Radio network. Thanks.

73 de Wolf OE1WHC
Hon. Curator
QSL COLLECTION

(More about us? Check http://www.ping.at/rai/



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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:43 1996
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From: Ottar Kvindesland <[e-mail]>
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Subject: QSL cards in PS - postscript
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I am writing a program that reads your PC log and converts it to QSL
cards. At the moment it is available in a beta version. It takes logs
from an early version of CT and a public version of LOG-EQF. If anyone
wants to join in testing, please pick up the program at
        http://www.netup.no/~clank/ck_qsl.html
I am prepared to add new log formats if you can send me a sample of
the log in ASCII format, with one QSO per line. Please describe then how
you extracted the file.

73 de Ottar, LA9IHA
e-mail: [e-mail]
http://www.netup.no/~clank/


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (DonNovyJr)
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Subject: QSL routes?
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 I am looking for QSL routes for CW QSOs with the following stations.  Is
this kind of information available from any Web sites?  I don't work
enough DX to justify the cost of subscribing to a DX newsletter to get
current information.

C6AFV     2/18/95
C6AHX    11/27/94
CE3F      11/26/95
CK7A     11/25/95
CK7U       5/28/95
CQ3X       5/28/95
CR3P      11/27/94
CT2A       5/28/95
CV5A      11/27/94
CX0CW   11/26/95
DX1EA     5/28/95
FM5CD    5/19/96
HG8ITU    5/26/96
II2K          5/28/95 and 5/25/96
IO2L         5/25/96
IQ3A        5/25/96
IQ4A        5/25/96
IQ4T        5/25/96
IR2W       5/25/96
OH2M     11/27/94
OH5M      5/28/95
OH7X      11/26/94
OI1JD       5/25/96
OL7O      11/26/94
OM5M      5/28/95
PJ2JB      3/23/95
PJ9U      11/26/94
PS2A       5/28/95
S58A        5/26/96
TF0KW     5/27/95
TI1C         2/17/96
TI2C        11/26/94
TO5A       2/17/96
VA7A       5/27/95 and 5/25/96
VP5VW   11/26/94
WH2H      5/28/95
XA5T        5/25/96
YJ0ADJ    3/5/95
YT0EXY   5/27/95
YT0W      5/26/96
ZF8BS    11/27/94
ZZ2E        2/17/96
4N0AV     5/27/95


Thanks for your help,

Don Novy
WB9NMN
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Ramon ... QSOs/Hz is not a measure of efficiency ... in order to
>mearsure efficiency, you have to measure rate of information transfer
>pre unit of bandwidth occupied.  Otherwise, you "have a lot of 'QSOs'"
>but nothing is happening ...
>Carl - wa6vse
(Tech+ for 21 years)

So sending huge files digitally that few will ever read contributes to
a higher rate of efficiency? That seems kind of nutty.

Maybe there should be a measure of content included in this empirical
efficiency rating: Sum(content quality of each QSO) / Hz, so rather than
just counting the nr of QSOs, we sum over their content rating.
But of course content is subjective: If I play a game of chess via CW
and the "Content Police" find chess boring, does that mean I'm not
using the spectrum efficiently?

Lucky for us, no mention of content nor efficiency (however it's defined)
is mentioned in Paragraph 97.1.

Jeff KH2PZ
(Let's see if Carl will respect the followup line in the header...)


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Little)
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>
>
> Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >[e-mail] (Paul KeinΣnen) writes:
>
> >>Stiffening the requirements after the morse requirement is removed is
> >>the same as admitting that today the other requirements have been too
> >>easy and that those that have received the licence in the past are not
> >>fully competent to build and operate an amateur radio station.
>
> Hi Paul,
> I've built my station from scratch. The written test I took 20 years
> ago had no bearing on my homebrew ability but having to learn the code
> was directly responsible for developing a desire to build. I never would
> have attempted to build a SSB rig as my first project but knowing code
> gave me a reason to build code gear.
>
>
>Jeff KH2PZ

I'm afraid I can't get the correlation between getting a desire to build
from having to learn a code. But that's Ok, because that's what triggered
you. The question is whether YOUR personal motivations should be the basis
for determining licence entry conditions. If yours, why not mine, or anyone
elses for that matter?

The regulations should not be decided on personal preferences, it should be
on what the regulations require amateurs do do as a minimum. Personal
preference comes AFTER an amateur has satisfied the minimum requiremetnts to
be on air. The minimum requirements are those that an amateur is REQUIRED to
continue to know and/or do AFTER the licence has been granted.

If you examine what a licencee needs to know, the examination topics then
become obvious. What does the amateur have to know or do after the licence
has been issued? Any thing that is REQUIRED (not preferred or liked or
desired) is a valid examination topic. Anything that an amateur is not
REQUIRED after being handed the licence, is not a valid topic as it does not
test the licencee's knowledge of what is required.

Taking the international regulations, the knowledge of Morse is not required
as an amateur does not need to know or use Morse after the exam. Secondly,
internationally speaking, there are no Morse only segments in the HF bands
or elsewhere. Therefore Morse is an inappropriate subject for licencing.

If there were internationally mandated Morse segments, then there certainly
would be an overwhelming case for the Morse exam. The same would apply is
amateurs were required to maintain a standard of Morse after the exam.


Exams should examine what is required, not what is desired,
Mark.




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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
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Mark Little wrote:

>
> I'm afraid I can't get the correlation between getting a desire to build
> from having to learn a code. But that's Ok, because that's what triggered
> you. The question is whether YOUR personal motivations should be the basis
> for determining licence entry conditions.
> The regulations should not be decided on personal preferences, it should be
> on what the regulations require amateurs do do as a minimum. Personal
> preference comes AFTER an amateur has satisfied the minimum requiremetnts to
> be on air. The minimum requirements are those that an amateur is REQUIRED to
> continue to know and/or do AFTER the licence has been granted.

> Taking the international regulations, the knowledge of Morse is not required
> as an amateur does not need to know or use Morse after the exam.

Mark:
        You are mostly correct, but as a matter of fact there are
CW only segments, and the ITU convention does require hams to have
knowledge of the morse code.

        It says "knowledge" not ability.  Therefore, the test could
be as simple as some dumb questions like
        (1) What is the dot-dash pattern for the letter Q ?

        (a) da-di-da-da  (b) di-di-da  (3) da-da-di-da  (4) da-di-da

From this ultra simple thing, which would of course require that
someone know the morse code well enough to at least pick the right
answer from the four given, to a 5 WPM, 13WPM or 20WPM test lies
a vast gulf of possibilities.  Clearly, for the FCC to continue
to follow the ITU regulations (and not exempt itself, which is allowed),
it need only test for code as outlined above.  Simple deal.  If
someone can't memorize ten numbers, four punctuation marks, a couple
or three prosigns and 26 letters, well....  but no speed or actual
copying code would be required.  If this won't fly, perhaps a
5WPM test for even extra class license would be possible.

I always noted with a chuckle that while the FCC tests for CW ability,
they do not test you for being able to give a speech over a mike
before allowing voice modes.  Heh heh.

On HF, the so called CW sub bands are shared with digital data modes.
In fact, CW can operate anywhere on any band, and digital only
outside the voice portion except on VHF, where there are truly
CW-only sub bands for weak signal work, eme and stuff like that.

This is not to say that some should not be created on HF (cw only that
is).  But I see no reason to test for ability on CW.  Clearly if a
ham has a no-code license that allows unlimited HF privileges, he
is allowed to operate CW on the CW sub bands.  Why not?  If he
does not know the code, he will not venture there.  If he knows it,
or takes an interest and learns it, why should he not be allowed to
jump in without further ado, even at a faltering 4 or 5 WPM?  Seems
like we did the same as Novices!  And made lots of CW QSO's with
patient upper-class hams too!

CW is a good mode, I love it and use it.  But I sure don't think
cramming a code test down someone's throat is a good idea or even
good for the hobby.  Not in 1996 or in the 21st century just five
years away now.
--
In order to foil SpamBots, my e-mail address is not
machine readable.  Please reply to address below:

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: question for carl and the no code group
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] wr
ites:
>Mark:
>       You are mostly correct, but as a matter of fact there are
>CW only segments, and the ITU convention does require hams to have
>knowledge of the morse code.

The CW only segments are, however, at frequencies where a code test
is not required, IE 50.0-50.1 MHz and 144.0-144.1 MHz are the only
sub-bands where only CW is allowed to be used.

>       It says "knowledge" not ability.  Therefore, the test could
>be as simple as some dumb questions like
>       (1) What is the dot-dash pattern for the letter Q ?
>
>       (a) da-di-da-da  (b) di-di-da  (3) da-da-di-da  (4) da-di-da

No, S25 doesn't say that. It says applicants are to demonstrate that
they can correctly send by hand and receive by ear texts in the
International Code.  Note that the US is already in non-compliance
with the treaty by no longer requiring an applicant to demonstrate
that he can send by hand. And the FCC will allow applicants to take
the test without receiving by ear too, IE accomodations for the deaf.
I have no objection to either practice, but they do technically
place the US in violation of the treaty language.

Fortunately, I took my tests before the FCC stopped adhering to
the treaty, so I'm ITU legal. You fellows who took a receiving only
test aren't ITU legal amateurs when you operate below 30 MHz.

Gary
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es
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>Fortunately, I took my tests before the FCC stopped adhering to
>the treaty, so I'm ITU legal. You fellows who took a receiving only
>test aren't ITU legal amateurs when you operate below 30 MHz.


I can sense the overwhelming sense of joy and relief you feel in knowing
that you are "ITU legal"  <ROFLMAO>

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: Edward Bernight <"[e-mail]"@gte.net>
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Subject: radios for sale
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Talin Technologies hass the following Radios returning from lease to the
96 Summer games in Atlanta


Kenwood Model TK-431  900 MHZ Trunked Portable Radio

Frequency Range        Power output

RX 935 - 941 MHZ   |   HI 2.5 Watts
TX 896 - 902 MHZ   |   LO 1.0 Watts

with rapid chargers and spare Batteries

WE have 700 of these Radios returned from a 30 day lease and are in brand
new condition
and in the orignal packing
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SEA 700 220 MHz Trunked / Conventional

FREQUENCY RANGE          POWER OUTPUT

RX 220 - 221 MHZ   |     Hi 2 watts pep
TX 220 - 222 MHZ   |

with charger and spare batteries

WE have 160 of these Radios returned from a 30 day lease and are in brand
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FOR pricing info please contact

Talin Technologies

1730 IH 30
Rockwall ,Texas 75087

Phone [phone]
Fax   [phone]

email to [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (XRAY1787)
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Subject: radios for sale or trade:
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I have the  following radios for sale or trade :

(2) STX Type 1 ..w/DTMF and charger

(1) STX 821 Type I , II and IIi .. w/DTMF and charger...battery is new

(1) MT1000 VHF 16channel w/shoulder mike

(1) Visar UHF w/extra battery

Also for sale or trade : GE 800Mhz radio w/new battery

All items are for sale.. will aslo trade if interested ...

thanks..........JT


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From: [e-mail] (Alan Burgstahler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: repeaters
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 03:33:13 GMT
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[e-mail] (S Jackson) wrote:

>Could some one tell me if it is possible to transmit by chaining
>through one repeater to another, so as to increase range, on the uhf
>or vhf bands?

>I am new to this so please forgive me if my question is utterly
>ludicrous. Thank you.

No, it's not crazy.  However, you can't really tie a number of standard
repeaters together on their mobile/portable input channels.  What you have
to do is connect via radio links on other frequencies.  Then you can do
your audio and ptt routing correctly and you don't have things key up and
get stuck keyed up.  The one system I'm most familiar with is one is was
a co-founder of.  If you have Web access, look up the address

                 http://www2.hmc.edu/~cactus/index.html

and then look at the map that has a pointer to it.

If you want to discuss the system, I'll be glad to do so via e-mail but
not in the newsgroup.



Alan Burgstahler - WA6AWD - Kent, WA, USA



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In article <53uo7u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> Could some one tell me if it is possible to transmit by chaining
> through one repeater to another, so as to increase range, on the uhf
> or vhf bands?
>
> I am new to this so please forgive me if my question is utterly
> ludicrous. Thank you.

Not a ludicrous question at all.  The answer is 'yes', you can, and it's
usually called "linking".

You can link several ways:
   1. use a separate 'link' frequency or frequencies to pass along control
and audio signals
   2. tune a remote receiver to the other repeater's output.. do this on
both sites
   3. one of the repeaters has a transceiver attached, and it operates as
a 'remote base'

There are linked systems that cover just two repeaters.. then there are
the super systems like the ZIA system that covers west Texas to
California, along the southern part of New Mexico and Arizona. Now, THAT
is a linked system!

73 Wayne KF5ZC

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Burgstahler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: repeaters
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 05:59:38 GMT
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Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Well, true it works, but has one problem.  The Alinco 605 and 610,
>and I suspect all dual banders out there too, have wide open
>front ends that pick up birdies, taxi transmissions, etc when
>those sources are close by.
>This would not be a problem on a farm on a hilltop as I suggested.
>But in a downtown area, intermod alley, etc., it rears its ugly head.

This is why many of the ham repeaters and remote bases are running
commercial equipment, such as Motorola or GE or such.  Those types
of base radios are designed to be operated in a heavy RF environment.
I'm not saying other types of equipment won't work, just that to keep
it calm you must sometimes provide additional filtering, etc., that
you'd not need on commercial two-way equipement.


Alan Burgstahler - WA6AWD - Kent, WA, USA



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:57 1996
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From: "Leslie R. Turner" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RF blows Mini-van speakers
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 11:59:05 -0400
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Hi!

I drive a Chrysler Town and Country Mini-van with a factory installed
sound system, brand name "Infinity".  The side door and rear speakers
stopped working and the dealer said they are defected and cost several
hundred dollars to replace.  I found out that the speakers are powered
at each speaker with a sealed module.  I run both vhf and uhf radios in
the van and suspect that RF may have caused the problem.  The power
modules components are potted, therefore I have't tried to do any
testing to location the damaged component.
Has anyone have this kind of problem?  I have run radios in cars for 35
years with no problems.  If I replace the speakers, or the powere
modules, how can I prevent the same thing from happen?  Anyone had an
experience with this condition?
73's
Les
K4ZGE


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:58 1996
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From: Robert Brandon <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RF trouble in 1995 Celica?
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:25:01 -0500
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I'm thinking about getting a Yaesu FT-8000 to mount in the dash of my 1995 Cel
ica.  Has
anyone done this?  Any RF trouble?


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:36:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian A. Berard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SBPMorse experiences?
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 13:16:36 GMT
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>Hi,
>
>I've recently got a copy of SBPMorse to see how effective it is. I've got
>the headphone socket of my ageing R210 hooked up to the line-in of the Sound
>Blaster card, and I'm monitoring the signal through the headphone socket on
>the card itself.
>
>Anyway, to cut a long story short, after tuning in to a strong, reasonably
>clear slow morse signal the program just sits there and does nothing. I've
>tried all sorts of combinations - varying the input "volume", trying the mic
>input, using different morse signals etc - all with the same result. The prog
ram
>gives no indication that its receiving anything at all. Has anyone else had
>experience with this package that could give me some pointers?
David,
Where does one get  a copy of this software?
If  and when ya respond to this could you do it by Email. Sure  would
appreciate it! Thanks in advance.
Brian

Life is what you make of it. So GO for it!

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ron/Jeanne Angle)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Schematic drawing
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 01:22:49 GMT
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I am looking for a simple drawing program for schematics including symbols for

RF decks including vacuum tubes.

73 de Ron AB6ZX


=*=* ==*=    =** =**=    =** *    *= =*** =**** ==** =**=
                 Ron Angle, Chico CA




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:01 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Scientific Discoveries Minimize Aging (DHEA)
Date: 16 Oct 96 19:18:30 GMT
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Originator: [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:02 1996
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From: "Jim Reid" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Spark Transmission Again!
Date: 17 Oct 1996 21:40:08 GMT
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From a new ARRL bulletin:

SB SPCL ARL ARLX018
ARLX018 Oldest LW transmitter

The world's only working Alexanderson alternator will broadcast this
month from Sweden on 17.2 kHz. A nostalgic Morse code transmission at
0900 UTC on October 23 from station SAQ in Grimeton on Sweden's west
coast will commemorate the declaration of the radio station as an
historic building. The RCA Alexanderson alternator was built in 1924.
The SAQ site, complete with six antenna towers and the 200 kW
transmitter, are under the care and management of Telia Mobitel, a
Swedish mobile telephone company, and the radio museum of the Radio
Historical Society of West Sweden, which operates club station SK6RM.
Ulf Sjoden, SM6CVE, has helped to organize the event.

SAQ also will transmit a test on October 21, at approximately 1100
UTC. SAQ requests listener reports of both the test and the
commemorative message via telephone at 46-340-74251 or fax at
46-340-74195. Callers will be reimbursed for the cost of the call.
The operator at SAQ is Bengt Dugaas, who is not a ham.

The Alexanderson alternator was developed during the early years of
wireless by Ernst Alexanderson, a Swedish-American. The device is
essentially a large, electromechanical high-frequency alternator with
a high-speed rotor that's connected directly to an antenna system. A
similar station once operated on Long Island. The circuit was used to
transmit telegrams and messages between Europe and the US.

Last fall, Amateur Radio station 7S6SAQ operated from the SAQ site to
celebrate 100 years of radio and the 70th anniversary of the radio
station (see ''Up Front,'' QST, Nov 95 , p 14, for a picture of the
Alexanderson alternator and the antenna system). During September
1995, SAQ itself transmitted a message to England which was relayed
via landline from a BBC monitoring station to those attending a ''100
Years of Radio'' conference in London.

73, Jim,AH6NB



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:02 1996
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From: "David Newkirk" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Spark Transmission Again!
Date: 18 Oct 1996 01:35:49 GMT
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No, it's not spark transmission. It's continuous-wave, not damped-wave,
radio energy generated by an ac generator.

Regards,

David Newkirk, W9VES
[e-mail]

Jim Reid <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbbc73$c2c87a80$84070ccf@jim-reid-1>...

> From a new ARRL bulletin:
>
> SB SPCL ARL ARLX018
> ARLX018 Oldest LW transmitter
>
> The world's only working Alexanderson alternator will broadcast this
> month from Sweden on 17.2 kHz. A nostalgic Morse code transmission at

[rest deleted]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (The Association of Community Tutors)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: STUDY AMATEUR RADIO SKILLS AT HOME
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 23:41:26 GMT
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OBTAIN THE SKILLS TO TAKE YOUR AMATEUR RADIO LICENCE VIA DISTANCE
EDUCATION FROM THE HOME STUDY COLLEGE OF SOUTHERN AFRICA

FOR A DETAILED PROSPECTUS E-MAIL US TODAY WITH YOUR FAX NO OR POSTAL
ADDRESS



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Simonds)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: teletype decoder
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 14:09:46 GMT
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David <[e-mail]> wrote:

->Does anyone know of a DOS program which will caputure, decode and
store
->radio teletype -- similar to decoding morse

->[e-mail]


I have one written for the C64 that, if you are comfortable with
BASIC, could easily convert.


73 Terry/WB4FXD
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:05 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: The person who helped with Cubic info???????
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:16:13 -0500
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Last week (10/1 - 10/4) I put a plea for help for info on Cubic
Electronics in Ocean Side, Ca. Some very nice gentleman gave me the info
I needed. I have since had a complete system crash and lost ALL my
messages...in fact I lost 2 hard drives with everything on them. The
only thing I remember about the message was that his address started
with something like "HONT"..his name was Loenk (?), The important thing
was, he gave me the name of a guy that had worked for Cubic. He said the
guy still repaired Cubic radios for a fair price. H ealso said the guy
had a fax on during the day but in the evening it was off line. He gave
me the telephone number and all the info I needed. I can't remember
which newsgroup it was in. If he will PLEASE contact me again I would
appreciate it very much. I need the same info again.

I am posting this to all the ham and radio newsgroups to find this good
samaritan again. I sent him a thank you message, but of course that is
also gone now so I can't get the address from there.

Tommy Statham
N5HTQ


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Subject: The person who helped with Cubic info?????????????
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:22:04 -0500
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Last week (10/1 - 10/4) I put a plea for help for info on Cubic
Electronics in Ocean Side, Ca. Some very nice gentleman gave me the info
I needed. I have since had a complete system crash and lost ALL my
messages...in fact I lost 2 hard drives with everything on them. The
only thing I remember about the message was that his address started
with something like "HONT"..his name was Loenk (?), The important thing
was, he gave me the name of a guy that had worked for Cubic. He said the
guy still repaired Cubic radios for a fair price. H ealso said the guy
had a fax on during the day but in the evening it was off line. He gave
me the telephone number and all the info I needed. I can't remember
which newsgroup it was in. If he will PLEASE contact me again I would
appreciate it very much. I need the same info again.

I am posting this to all the ham and radio newsgroups to find this good
samaritan again. I sent him a thank you message, but of course that is
also gone now so I can't get the address from there.

Tommy Statham
N5HTQ


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tim Smith)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The truth about N1BTQ
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 96 10:52:32 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I do know he does not like me and I used to make fun
>>of him due to his weight. We had arguments in previous years
>>that were so unimportant that I do not even recall what they were
>>about but I think he attacked KA1THM but my memory is vague.

Tell us something we don't know.  Matt and I resolved our misunderstanding
five years ago.  Cheap shots at weight? Your stabs are just as amusing as they

were 10 years ago...


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The truth about N1BTQ
Date: 13 Oct 1996 07:59:44 -0400
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In article <53q30r$[e-mail]>, Casey <[e-mail]> wrote:

>No. Your stupid.

Next time you call someone stupid, you might want to spell "you're"
right. Otherwise it undermines your argument.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Casey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The truth about N1BTQ
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 06:42:05 GMT
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Actually I do not know much about N1BTQ. I have HEARD
>stories but I have no reason to believe they are true.
>(the stories are both very positive and slightly negative)

>I do know he does not like me and I used to make fun
>of him due to his weight. We had arguments in previous years
>that were so unimportant that I do not even recall what they were
>about but I think he attacked KA1THM but my memory is vague.

>But unlike him I will not make false charges without proof.
>Of course maybe he did not even make the false charge, maybe
>it was somewone else using his name?

>Many people have posted under my name and some still know my password.
>I tried changing it but than I forgot it.

>Boy am I dumb.

>Anyone agree?

No. Your stupid.





From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:10 1996
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From: Ramon Gandia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The truth about N1BTQ
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 01:31:11 -0800
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Casey wrote:

> You're correct. But he's still stupid.

The question naturally arises, would you knock on his door and
tell it to him face to face?

--
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:11 1996
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #186 (for air through 10/25/96)
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 96 03:13:01 -0500
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Here is a summary of news items covered on edition #186 of
"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 25-Oct:
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1.   Congress Mandates Reallocation of Frequencies at 2.3 GHz
2.   ARRL Board Elections Continue, Several Divisions Contested
3.   200 kW Morse Code Transmitter Returns to the Air This Week
4.   Special Event Station Calendar
5.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
6.   FCC Antenna Tower Registration Deadlines Approaching
7.   Texas Broadcast Tower Fails in Wind, Several Workers Killed
8.   "The RAIN Dial-up" from Chicago
9.   Supercomputer Pioneer Dies after Colorado Auto Accident
10.  "Ancient Amateur Archives" with Bill Continelli, AB2CA
11.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
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Funding for the program's transmission and production expense was
provided this week by a grant from Gene Wicklund, WA0ZOK, of Horace,
North Dakota, where "This Week in Amateur Radio" is heard on the
WA0ZOK repeater, serving Fargo, North Dakota; Morehead, Minnesota;
and the Red River Valley on 443.75 MHz.
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"This Week in Amateur Radio" is a weekly amateur voice bulletin
service, produced by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York
State not-for-profit corporation based in Albany, NY.  The program
is heard on the "W0KIE Satellite Network" each Saturday at 9:00 PM
(EDT) on the Hughes Communications SBS-6 commercial communications
satellite, transponder 13B upper, located at 74 degrees west
longitude in equatorial geosynchronous orbit.  The transponder
center frequency is 12.019 GHz; tune up in frequency to 12.031 GHz.
Program audio is on the 6.2 MHz analog subcarrier and carried on
VHF/UHF repeaters throughout North America and on 160 meters at 1860
kHz.  Contact your local amateur radio club or repeater operator if
"This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being heard in your area.
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Production and transmission expenses are underwritten by donations
from repeater operators, amateur radio clubs, and individuals.
Further information is available from George Bowen, N2LQS, at
518/283-3665 (email [e-mail]) or Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB,
at 518/664-6809 (email [e-mail]).  You may also reach
them @ WA2UMX.FN32AW.ENY.NY.USA.NA via amateur packet.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:12 1996
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I WOULD LIKE TO BUY AN USED TS790A OF KENWOOD FOR A SATELLITE USE.
PLEASE MAKE ME THE OFFERS TO MY    E-MAIL   [e-mail].
MY BEST REGARDS AND 73┤DXS.
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:13 1996
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On the 2nd November 1936 the BBC started the world's first regular high
definition television service from Alexandra Palace in North London. The
Ariel Radio Group is celebrating this by holding a QSO party on the HF
bands over the weekend of the 2nd / 3rd November 1996. Anyone involved in
any aspect of broadcasting (ie, TV, radio, cable, satellite,facilities
houses and support companies) is encouraged to take part. We hope that
during this event a station from the group will be active using our special
call for this year GB60BBC, possibly from Alexandra Palace.

This is not a contest but participants are invited to submit logs showing
date, time, station worked and broadcast affiliation of station worked (ie:
BBC, Granada, C4, NHK, ABC, Sony etc.) a certificate will be awarded to
anyone sending in an entry. Entries may be sent either by mail to: Brian
Bower, 19 Chapel Road, Flackwell Heath, High Wycombe, Bucks. HP10 9AB or by
e-mail to [e-mail] to arrive by January 1st 1997

The QSO party will start at 00:01 UTC on 2nd November and finish at 23:59
UTC on 3rd November, call CQ TV60 to attract attention. Suggested centres of
activity are 3.72Mhz, 7.06Mhz, 14.18Mhz, 18.16Mhz, 21.38Mhz, 24.96Mhz,
28.38Mhz on SSB and 3.53Mhz, 7.03Mhz, 10.135Mhz, 14.055Mhz, 18.075Mhz,
21.075Mhz, 24.905Mhz and 28.075Mhz on CW.

Information about the Ariel Radio Group, newsletters and details of the
current GB60BBC operation are available from the group's web site at:-
http://www.xdinet.demon.co.uk/ARG/

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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Marlin - Personal Account)
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The KE4ZTD Repeater Group needs a set of UHF Cavities for
449.975/444.975 or thereabouts.
We are attempting to get our 44o repeater on the air before
Christmas out here on the Outer banks of The Great State of north Carolina.
Please contact [e-mail]  ASAP


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:15 1996
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From: JBOWES@CEU (JBOWES)
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Subject: UK NOVICE licensing ???
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Dear all,

I would appreciate any info about the novice license being offered in the UK
right now. Is there some web page where I can check out the details or even
speak to someone via e-mail who is officially involved with the process of
licensing. The reason is that I have been interested in radio for ages but
not quite up to the full license stuff. I live here in Prague but as a
British citizen I must still qualify for a UK call. I thought maybe it is
possible to study via correspondance or something similar.

Any info is really appreciated. 2m activity here in Prague is well alive !

E-mail replies preferred if possible !



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:16 1996
From: [e-mail] (keith rothwell)
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Hi All

A Friend of mine is interested in obtaining two particular ICs, namely the
AM7910 and the TCM3105.

Any help appreciated.

73 de Keith G8EAP and G0WQD



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: 8 Oct 1996 19:54:07 GMT
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Anthony R. Gold <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" writes:

>> Of course that issue is moot now...and the fee is $30 up front, and $30
>> or more every ten years.

>The ten year anniversary is unlikely to coincide with license
>renewal.  Does the FCC have the power to revoke licences for which
>the vanity fee remains unpaid?  Or will the FCC change the call to
>one they judge to be less `vain' for free and for no fee at all,
>after explaining to congress that such a change costs them money.
>
>This program of rented calls is a can of worms.

When I changed my mailing address (about one year prior to renewal)
the FCC also renewed my license; it's new expiration date is in 2006
rather than in 1997. So it's possible that the anniversary and renewal
dates will coincide.

Jeff KH2PZ


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From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
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In article <53ebgv$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Jeffrey Herman" writes:

> When I changed my mailing address (about one year prior to renewal)
> the FCC also renewed my license; it's new expiration date is in 2006
> rather than in 1997. So it's possible that the anniversary and renewal
> dates will coincide.

An interesting theory.  Can any beneficiary of a Gate 1 or 1A call
change tell us if their new license was for a new full 10 year term?

Is it Commission policy to issue a fresh 10 year license after any
license change?  It sounds just all too sensible, practical and
paperwork saving to be true :-)

If it is so, the FAQ's should be amended to explain that a license
can indeed be renewed at any time so long as a change requiring the
filing a Form 610 is made.  Just add or remove a middle initial or
changing the punctuation of the address should do it.

Regards,
--
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                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


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From: per olav voje johansen <[e-mail]>
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Does anyone have the typical and maximum operating data for the
4CX1500B tube ? Would be very grateful if you could post them to me !

Per, LA9DAA



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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: What is HAM
Date: 11 Oct 1996 23:24:11 -0400
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In article <53mjpq$[e-mail]>,
        Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>In your case Spew, HAM = Homely Ass Monkeyboy.

I always thought it was

        Has Absolutely (no) Material (worth)

MD
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From: KD1YV <[e-mail]>
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Gary Coffman wrote:
{snip}
> The problem is, we don't know that it didn't start out as an acronym.
> If we believe the Harvard radio station story, it was, or if we buy
> into the Home Amateur Mechanic story, it was. If we accept it as an
> insult, as in "ham fisted" or "ham actor", then it wasn't an acronym.{snip}

Does that mean that it could be just another TLA*?

--
73 de Jim, KD1YV

*TLA - Three Letter Acronym
:-)


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: What is HAM
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In article <53jmlv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Patty Winter) writes
:
>A great deal of the confusion could be avoided if everyone remembered
>that it's not "HAM," but "ham." Incorrectly spelling it uppercase makes
>it look like an acronym, thus causing people to run around trying to
>find out what it's an acronym for!

The problem is, we don't know that it didn't start out as an acronym.
If we believe the Harvard radio station story, it was, or if we buy
into the Home Amateur Mechanic story, it was. If we accept it as an
insult, as in "ham fisted" or "ham actor", then it wasn't an acronym.

Of course today it has become a noun (and an adjective) by common
usage, so it doesn't require capitalization unless it begins a
sentence. If you are a Morse operator, however, it *is* HAM, since
Morse has no provision for lower case.

Gary
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Subject: Re: What is HAM
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Gary Coffman wrote:
> The World Book Dictionary
> backs this version, suggesting that the slang terms "ham actor", "hamming
> it up", and "radio ham" all have the same origin (that of overstating
> their skills and abilities).??> >- From the Cockney pronunciation of L'Amate
ur
> I think this is almost certainly not the origin of the term.

Hi Gary, remember the PBS TV show, "Connections"? Could have been
that "ham actor" came from the Cockney pronunciation of "'amateur actor"
and "ham" radio operator then was adopted from the term "stage ham".
So the orgin could have been indirect through the English theater to
the American theater to amateur radio.

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Subject: Re: What is HAM
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Cecil Moore  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In 1952 my Elmer told me it evolved from the Cockney pronunciation
>of 'amateur, sort of like h'amateur. IMO, probably evolved similar to
>"hamming it up" on stage.

It's first recorded use in print was in 1912 (see the rram archives
from last year).

Jeff KH2PZ




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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 22:54:54 -0600
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KD>mossmann frederic wrote:
KD>>
KD>> Hello...
KD>>
KD>>   NO NO NO, it's NOT a joke...
KD>>
KD>>    I'm a french HAM [F1UIH] and I want to know something...
KD>>
KD>>      What is HAM ???
KD>>
KD>>       H.A.M. ???
KD>>
KD>> OK, it's a stupid question for you, but I ask many french HAMs, and...
KD>>  "Euhhh... It's Radio-Amateur..."
KD>>  "But why H.A.M."
KD>>  "Because... euhhh... I don't know"
KD>>
KD>> [ not found in the rec.radio.amateur.misc FAQ ]
KD>>
KD>>     Thank you...    73 from France...
KD>>
KD>>       Frederic Mossmann - Strasbourg - France - F1UIH

KD>i was told there was a magazine around 1908 called Home Amateur Mechanic.
KD>hope this helps.
KD>73 steve


No...HAM is the first letters of the 3 people whom began the radio
testing (i had it on disk but i erased it) so I am unable to tell you
their names. but HAM came from the first letters of the 3 mens last
names.

Mark
WL7LZ



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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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Subject: Re: What is HAM
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:13:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU) wrote:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>>In article <53gpot$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (mossmann fr
ederic) writes:
>>>   I'm a french HAM [F1UIH] and I want to know something...
>>>     What is HAM ???

>>Another theory holds that it derives from what commercial
>>operators called amateurs. They referred to them using the
>>old telegrapher's insult of "ham fisted", meaning that they
>>weren't of professional skill. This may be the true origin
>>of the term, but it seems unlikely that amateurs would willingly
>>adopt a term meant to be insulting to them as their name.

>I had an English professor back at UMD who pointed out that "bad" or
>"insulting" words sometimes fall into a period of disuse, and that
>disuse cause them to become obscure, setting the stage for them to be
>(ironically) resurrected with more polite, or merely self-deprecating,
>meanings.  Consider, for example, the word "naughty."  In Shakespeare's
>time, it directly translated as "evil" or "demonic," and therefore fell
>out of polite usage.  In current usage, it's much more benign, and often
>used to good-naturedly scold friends or children.

>It would not be implausible then, for what started out as an insult to
>later become adopted by the target group as a self-deprecating nickname
>to be worn with pride.

  The same thing (sort of) has happened to the word "hacker".  First it was
a somewhat derogatory (in the 1970s) way of referring to programmers who
weren't professionals.
  Then in the early 1980s, every new computer user wanted to be called a
"hacker".
  More recently, it has been generally used as a name for those who commit
computer crimes.

  BTW... a 1933 article about the early days of line-line telegraphy says
that the word "ham" was used as a derogatory name for poor telegraphers,
predating radio.

  I tend to think this is the most likely explanation for how the word
"ham" came to be used.

============ Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ============
Curt Phillips KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)    |   Motto of the
Engineer/Writer/Gadgeteer/Raconteur|   Tarheel Scanner/SWL Group:
Chairman, Tarheel Scanner/SWL Grp  | #2) The more they don't want you to
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA |listen, the more interesting it must be.

==== [e-mail] ======= [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]======



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:29 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What the big guys think of hams.
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 06:26:42 -0400
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I hate Spam wrote:
>

> If you dislike Amateur Radio so much, why are you reading and posting
> in this newsgroup?

Hams are fun to play with.
                  .-.
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Chandler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When are Vanity callsigns open to General
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 13:48:14 GMT
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[e-mail] (Bea and Marvin Jones) wrote:

>David Barnes ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I'm a general class with no relatives or other reason to lay claim to a
>: previous callsign.

>: When will I be able to apply for a vanity callsign?

>Well, uh, 11 days ago.

Well, uh, I don't think so.  The gate 4 opening date has not been
announced.




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:31 1996
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From: Michael Valentine <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When is Dayton 97
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 10:39:51 -0400
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>
> In <544h3s$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve Hancock) writes:
> >
> >I need the dates for above to plan my vacation.
> >Who do I contact for tickets and other info, I remember a web site last
> >year.  This is my first Dayton show I have made plans for so feel free
> >to pass along any tips.
> >
> >Steve

Hi Steve!  Try  http://www.hamvention.com


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:32 1996
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From: "ka2ctn" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: When is Dayton 97
Date: 18 Oct 1996 17:02:29 GMT
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It's www.hamvention.org -Dave

--

Michael Valentine <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> >
> > In <544h3s$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve Hancock) writes:
> > >
> > >I need the dates for above to plan my vacation.
> > >Who do I contact for tickets and other info, I remember a web site
last
> > >year.  This is my first Dayton show I have made plans for so feel free
> > >to pass along any tips.
> > >
> > >Steve
>
> Hi Steve!  Try  http://www.hamvention.com
>


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:33 1996
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From: "Douglas A. Hamilton" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Where to mount 2m/440 and scanner antennas?
Date: 15 Oct 1996 01:32:42 GMT
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I just picked up a 2m/70cm vertical (9 ft long) and a discone scanner
antenna at the Boxboro ham convention a week or so ago and have been
thinking over how I'd like to install them.

First thought was a couple masts mounted off the side of my house with
brackets, using 1 1/4" EMT (metal tube) as the mast material.

But as I think about it, I'm wondering if that's such a hot idea.  I admit
I'm not crazy about drill holes in the siding to do the mounts (especially
considering some concern that with only lap cedar siding and the underlying
pressboard sheathing to screw into, I'm not even sure how much load you can
put there).  Also, if I put both antennas there, it really is going to look
kind of cluttered with ham junk, I admit.

So now I'm wondering whether I might not be better off mounting these two
new antennas the same way I'm doing my R7 HF antenna: on a 1 1/2" EMT mast
sunk in concrete in the back yard.  The EMT tube is 10 feet; after sinking
it in the ground, there's still around 7 1/2" above ground.

Obviously height does matter.  I'm not trying to ask a silly question.  But
how much difference (for each) and do I really care.  For 2m/440, let's
face it:  I'm not thinking DX, just going into the various repeaters in the
greater Boston area.  If I'm not full-quieting, the heck with it, I'll go
to a different repeater to ragchew.  (Who wants to talk on a repeater with
someone you can barely copy?)  On the other hand, if the difference in
height between a mast on the ground vs. near the top the house is going
make a difference hitting Boston from Sudbury (about 20 miles) with 50W,
that would be a consideration.

With the scanner, I have even less sense of how much difference to expect
or what I might listen to.  Realistically, it's probably just the local
police and fire, though. :-)  Again, almost certainly it's not DX unless
it's a question of whether Boston is DX one way versus the other.  Btw, the
scanner is an Icom 7100 I picked up through rec.radio.swap and have had
sitting around waiting for me to hook up an antenna.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Regards,
Doug Hamilton  KD1UJ  [e-mail]  Ph 508-440-8307  FAX [phone]
Hamilton Laboratories, 21 Shadow Oak Drive, Sudbury, MA  01776-3165, USA



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:34 1996
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From: "Douglas A. Hamilton" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Where to mount 2m/440 and scanner antennas?
Date: 15 Oct 1996 20:22:27 GMT
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Thanks, Gary, for taking the time to respond to my question about how much
height really matters in locating my 2m/440 and scanner antennas.  Your
comments here in rec.radio.amateur.* are always very helpful and I know I'm
not the only one who appreciates your sage advice.

Based on your comments, sounds like I might just try and see if having
these antennas mounted on short masts does what I want but that I'm
probably not going to be happy unless I can get them up higher.

Now a second question, if you don't mind.  Another fellow responded by
picking out that I'd mentioned I was mounting my R7 on a 10' section of
1.5" EMT sunk in concrete and was quite emphatic that this was not likely
to hold up.  EMT is too thin-walled and the galvanization too thin for this
material to last in the alkaline concrete.  Now, I do want things to last,
but I'd also like to get the job done without turning it into a public
works project.  I'm 45 and I don't expect to be here forever, either.  If I
have to replace it, say, every 15 years, I probably have to do it once
while I'm still here on the planet.  OTOH, if it's going to need to be
replaced every 3 years, that's another matter.

Comments?

Regards,
Doug Hamilton  KD1UJ  [e-mail]  Ph 508-440-8307  FAX [phone]
Hamilton Laboratories, 21 Shadow Oak Drive, Sudbury, MA  01776-3165, USA



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (EMTP4355)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: White House remarks about new internet??
Date: 13 Oct 1996 13:07:29 -0400
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On 10/10/96 a press release from the White House, talking about the new
internet initiative, refers to not enough commercial bandwidth being
available fo future plans.  Being  a new ham can anyone tell me if this
remark could have anything to do with the proposed lose of 2m and 70cm
from the amateur bands.  I have a complete copy of the statement if you
would like to see it. However, it is very long.

Joseph K Murphy, EMT-P                                        KF4KEK
[e-mail]                                                EM75RW

                                    Harriman, TN  USA


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: White House remarks about new internet??
Date: 15 Oct 1996 04:01:05 GMT
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In article <53r7kh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>On 10/10/96 a press release from the White House, talking about the new
>internet initiative, refers to not enough commercial bandwidth being
>available fo future plans.  Being  a new ham can anyone tell me if this
>remark could have anything to do with the proposed lose of 2m and 70cm
>from the amateur bands.  I have a complete copy of the statement if you
>would like to see it. However, it is very long.
>
>Joseph K Murphy, EMT-P                                        KF4KEK
>[e-mail]                                                EM75RW
>
>                                    Harriman, TN  USA

I have read the remarks by the White House. This reference to bandwidth refers

to bandwidth inside fiber optic networks linking universities and research
centers. It does not have anything to do with the radio spectrum out in the
real world.

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.hamradio-online.com



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Why should we learn the code??
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.policy
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Ray Hodgkiss, N9YNG <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>   No other way to communiate?  Thats an interesting thought.  I would
>imagine that knowing CW would open serious doors in DXing, on all bands,
>when ionospheric conditions are at their worst, kind of like now.

It might be of interest to point out that *all* the DX reports on the 160m
email list are due to stations utilizing CW. Not some, not most, but all.
Nothing contained in the charter of that list says only CW reports are
welcome. Topband DXers just naturally choose code.

Jeff KH2PZ (followup-to: rrap)


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Windtrax Balloon Launch 10-12-96
Date: 11 Oct 1996 20:52:41 GMT
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Windtrax, 96 will have its 10th balloon flight this Saturday, October 12,
1996 from the New Agusta Public Academy in Indianapolis, Indiana.  Launch
time is slated for 8 am EST 13:00 UTC (aproxmate) with the following
scheduled to fly:

ATV: on 439.250 Vertical polarity showing two camera views plus a 4 color
video Id.

GPS/Packet: on 446.000 at 1200 baud with latitude/longitude and altitude
in meters in the text.

Cross Band Repeater: Input on 144.300 with outputs on 444.850 and 52.525 Mhz
FM.

A Hf net will be held around 3871 Khz + or - to give balloon status and
launch information.  Look for the Windtrax 96 balloon net with possible
callsigns of WB9IHS/W9DUU or KT9V as net control.

All amateur are invited to participate in this balloon flight as the
balloon asends to 100,000 feet plus and should have a coverage area of
400 miles plus as it reaches maximum altitude.  Launch preparation
balloon tracking and net controls will be done by the students of the
New Agusta Public Academy of Indianapolis, Indiana.
--
Mark Garrett   [e-mail]
               KA9SZX @ N9LNQ.#ECIL.IL.USA.NOAM


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: WTB 7L12 Plug In
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Hi,

Anybody know of any reasonably priced 7L12 Tek plug ins for sale??

Reply to [e-mail]

Thanks !!



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis)
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Subject: Re: WTB 7L12 Plug In
Message-ID: <1996Oct18.105628.654@main03>
Date: 18 Oct 96 10:56:28 EST
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In article <53l7q7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (daveb@buffnet
.net) writes:
> Hi,
>
> Anybody know of any reasonably priced 7L12 Tek plug ins for sale??
> Reply to [e-mail]
> Thanks !!

Yeah, me too!

Joe - AA3GN
--
[e-mail] - speaking only for myself, of course
No, this is not a sig.


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:41 1996
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From: Bernie Skoch <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Yaesu and Kenwood equipment
Date: 15 Oct 1996 03:23:58 GMT
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To: [e-mail]

John,
  One (of many) places you can look for pricing and availability is
Amateur Electronic Supply.  They have a Web page (www.aesham.com) you can
access for pricing and availability.
  73.
bernie skoch
NH6I



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:42 1996
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[e-mail] (Eric Helms) wrote:

>In article <01bbb538$656f2740$9b070ccf@jim-reid-1>, "Jim Reid"
><[e-mail]> wrote:

>I know that many people think that the FCC was and continues to be a royal
>pain in the _ _ _ but I for one will miss some of the support that was
>received from the FCC in the past.

>As society becomes more and more dependant on using the RF spectrum as a
>vehicle for communication and other activities, we need to ensure that the
>frequency spectrum is MANAGED in such a way that all of us may use it in
>one way or another.  Key word is manage, which to me means the focal point
>for activites.  What kind of activies am I talking about?

>I gave up on CB about 6 months after the FCC killed the license
>requirement for that activity.  The activities I encountered while
>listening/participating (at the time I was stationed in Hawaii) were rough
>to say the least.  (Linear amps with sideband splatter 3 channels either
>side of the base carrier.)  Perhaps I will get my ham license someday,
>provided that it too doesn't go away.

>As a boat owner, I carry a hand held Marine VHF.  The FCC has done in the
>majority of the license requirements for operation of Marine VHS as well.
>I can't wait to hear how out of control that band will get, considering
>that Marine VHF is often used for life support activites.

>The Livermore, CA monitoring facility (one of the ones which is becoming
>automated) is less than a mile from our RC aircraft flying field.  We have
>obtained the assistance from the FCC staff at that facility to help
>resolve issues with RFI problems several times in the past.  Where are we
>going to get real time assistance in the future?   Philly?

>Questions for all; Why are these facilities shutting down?  Why has the
>operations budget been reduced to a point where they can no longer do the
>job as defined by the charter?  What is the impact going to be on all of
>us?

>Eric Helms
>[e-mail]

It will certainly encourage a new generation of pirates!  I think that
we will be seeing lots of new activity on the hf bands and also lots
of interference on bands above 50 mhz.

The FCC has been a real disappointment to all I believe.  Since the
non-enforcement of CB started, its been downhill for them.  They are
quick to get into your pocket, but real weak in enforcing the rules.



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Based on my dealings, as a commercial broadcaster, with the FCC, I
suspect the agency's budget has been gobbled up by bureaucratic nonsense.
Paperwork became the top priority.  We were FAR more likely to get handed
major fines for an incorrect entry on an EEO form than for some
transgression that really mattered.

It isn't that the rules aren't being enforced, it's that priority is
being given to enforcing STUPID regulations.  That gives the appearance
that the FCC isn't doing their job.  But, then, I guess they aren't.

I wonder if the people of Virginia Beach really gave a damn that I had a
Native American as a Sales Manager.  Or would they have been more
concerned if my transmitter drifted off frequency and raised havoc with
air traffic control at the naval air station a few miles away?

Jim


On Fri, 11 Oct 1996, dj wrote:

> [e-mail] (Eric Helms) wrote:
>
> The FCC has been a real disappointment to all I believe.  Since the
> non-enforcement of CB started, its been downhill for them.  They are
> quick to get into your pocket, but real weak in enforcing the rules.
>


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Bert <[e-mail]> sort of wrote:
>Cecil Moore <[e-mail]> sort of wrote:

>>> Only the very brilliant few will remain useful

>>As long as they have a microphone, there is nothing to fear. :-)

>Heh heh heh heh  <ROFLMAO>
>One has to sometimes wonder if we would but only send a handful of
>well versed Amateurs (with mics in hand) to the third world, could
>we end poverty and plage in one fell sweep?

I took the liberty to change a couple words above ("have a microphone"
was "know Morse code", and "mics" was "keys"). Sounds as just ridiculous
as before.

Jeff KH2PZ (Remember, voice as a mode is just about as old as Morse
keyed via CW)

(please allow the followups to proceed to rec.radio.amateur.policy;
Bert and Cec: your original comments went out on the .cb, .pirate,
and .scanner newsgroups - note the header prior to posting)


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From: FM BENTON <[e-mail]>
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Eric Helms wrote:
>
> In article <01bbb538$656f2740$9b070ccf@jim-reid-1>, "Jim Reid"
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I know that many people think that the FCC was and continues to be a royal
> pain in the _ _ _ but I for one will miss some of the support that was
> received from the FCC in the past.
>
> As society becomes more and more dependant on using the RF spectrum as a
> vehicle for communication and other activities, we need to ensure that the
> frequency spectrum is MANAGED in such a way that all of us may use it in
> one way or another.  Key word is manage, which to me means the focal point
> for activites.  What kind of activies am I talking about?
>
> I gave up on CB about 6 months after the FCC killed the license
> requirement for that activity.  The activities I encountered while
> listening/participating (at the time I was stationed in Hawaii) were rough
> to say the least.  (Linear amps with sideband splatter 3 channels either
> side of the base carrier.)  Perhaps I will get my ham license someday,
> provided that it too doesn't go away.
>
> As a boat owner, I carry a hand held Marine VHF.  The FCC has done in the
> majority of the license requirements for operation of Marine VHS as well.
> I can't wait to hear how out of control that band will get, considering
> that Marine VHF is often used for life support activites.
>
> The Livermore, CA monitoring facility (one of the ones which is becoming
> automated) is less than a mile from our RC aircraft flying field.  We have
> obtained the assistance from the FCC staff at that facility to help
> resolve issues with RFI problems several times in the past.  Where are we
> going to get real time assistance in the future?   Philly?
>
> Questions for all; Why are these facilities shutting down?  Why has the
> operations budget been reduced to a point where they can no longer do the
> job as defined by the charter?  What is the impact going to be on all of
> us?
>
> Eric Helms
> [e-mail]
>
> --
> Actually since Radio is no longer a public service the FCC really has no
reason to enforce anything!  Radio is simply a marble for the big boys to
trade!


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:49 1996
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From: "Douglas \"Lonely Planet Boy\" Shawhan" <[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:42:55 -0500
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On 8 Oct 1996, Jim Reid wrote:

>
>
> au <[e-mail]> wrote in article >
<53ct1f$[e-mail]>... > > From Mobile Radio
Technology Oct '96: > > > > "The FCC has closed all 12 of it's monitoring
stations. "  > > However, they ARE still monitoring from many of these >
same sights, remotely.  The data is sent to a central > monitoring station
near Washington DC, I believe.  So > the FCC is still monitoring both
commercial and amateur > activity in both the HF and VHF spectrum areas.
They > have to, by law, I believe.  This is another example of > Ann
Rands(Sp?) thesis that eventually all jobs for > most people will be taken
over by computers and > machines.  Only the very brilliant few will remain
useful > to the on going economy and whatever life style will exist > for
the un and under employed. > > 73, Jim, AH6NB > > Hmmmmmm..... I would say
au <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <53ct1f$[e-mail]>...
> > From Mobile Radio Technology Oct '96:
> >
> > "The FCC has closed all 12 of it's monitoring stations. "
>
> However,  they ARE still monitoring from many of these
> same sights, remotely.  The data is sent to a central
> monitoring station near Washington DC,  I believe.  So
> the FCC is still monitoring both commercial and amateur
> activity in both the HF and VHF spectrum areas.  They
> have to,  by law,  I believe.  This is another example of
> Ann Rands(Sp?) thesis that eventually all jobs for
> most people will be taken over by computers and
> machines.  Only the very brilliant few will remain useful
> to the on going economy and whatever life style will exist
> for the un and under employed.
>
> 73,  Jim, AH6NB
>
>

Hmmmm.......  in this case the most moderate and sensitive answer to those
former FCC employees would be: HAR HAR! CRAWL INTO THAT BREADLINE YOU
PARASITES!  AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA! I'M BUILDING A TRASMITTER IN MY
GARAGE THAT WILL GIVE SATAN AN RF BURN! THEY'RE GONNA HEAR ME JAMMING
HORTON HEAT IN *ASGARD!!* IM GOING TO BROADCAST OPININONS SO LUDICROUS
BIASED AND IRRESPONSIBLE THAT RUSH LIMBAUGH AND HOWARD STERN WILL END IT
ALL IN A CRYPTO-GOOFUS SUICIDE PACT!

*ahem* Sorry, I guess getting my first Ramsey catalog has made me a bit
uhh...... enthusiastic.



____________________________________________________________
If we can draw the line against the industrial machine in
America, and make it hold, then perhaps in the decades to
come we can gradually force industrialization underground,
where it belongs, and restore to all citizens of our nation
their rightful heritage of breatheable air, drinkable water,
open space, family farm agriculture, a truly democratic
political economy. Why settle for less? -Edward Abbey
-------------------------------------------------------------



From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:50 1996
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From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ~FCC closes down all 12 monitoring stations
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 08:41:32 -0500
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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, "Douglas
\"Lonely Planet Boy\" Shawhan" <[e-mail]> writes:
> >On 8 Oct 1996, Jim Reid wrote:
> >
> >____________________________________________________________
> >If we can draw the line against the industrial machine in
> >America, and make it hold, then perhaps in the decades to
> >come we can gradually force industrialization underground,
> >where it belongs, and restore to all citizens of our nation
> >their rightful heritage of breatheable air, drinkable water,
> >open space, family farm agriculture, a truly democratic
> >political economy. Why settle for less? -Edward Abbey
> >-------------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
> Jim,
>
> I have to tell you that I *love* the quote ... it reminds me SO MUCH of
> the pro-coders' reaction to any new technology .... truly wonderful ...
> :-)
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Please!  Allow me!  :-)))   ....

  If we can draw the line against the no-code machine in
  America, and make it hold, then perhaps in the decades to
  come we can gradually force newer modulation methods underground,
  where they belong, and restore to all citizens of our nation
  their rightful heritage of analog, low data rates, QRN,
  the vagueries of the ionosphere, a mail-box full of postcards,
  donuts, hemorhoids, truth, justice and the ARRL way.
  Why settle for less?

--
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:52 1996
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From: "Douglas \"Lonely Planet Boy\" Shawhan" <[e-mail]>
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On Wed, 16 Oct 1996, Kevin Jessup wrote:

> Carl Stevenson wrote:
> >
> > In <[e-mail]>, "Dougla
s \"Lonely Planet Boy\" Shawhan" <[e-mail]> writes:
> > >On 8 Oct 1996, Jim Reid wrote:
> > >
> > >____________________________________________________________
> > >If we can draw the line against the industrial machine in
> > >America, and make it hold, then perhaps in the decades to
> > >come we can gradually force industrialization underground,
> > >where it belongs, and restore to all citizens of our nation
> > >their rightful heritage of breatheable air, drinkable water,
> > >open space, family farm agriculture, a truly democratic
> > >political economy. Why settle for less? -Edward Abbey
> > >-------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > I have to tell you that I *love* the quote ... it reminds me SO MUCH of
> > the pro-coders' reaction to any new technology .... truly wonderful ...
> > :-)
> > Carl - wa6vse
> > [e-mail]
>
> Please!  Allow me!  :-)))   ....
>
>   If we can draw the line against the no-code machine in
>   America, and make it hold, then perhaps in the decades to
>   come we can gradually force newer modulation methods underground,
>   where they belong, and restore to all citizens of our nation
>   their rightful heritage of analog, low data rates, QRN,
>   the vagueries of the ionosphere, a mail-box full of postcards,
>   donuts, hemorhoids, truth, justice and the ARRL way.
>   Why settle for less?
>
> --
> [e-mail]
>
I agree! I think I'll start by switching to one of theese old 1200 baud
modem s I've got sitting around! (cheese! I have gotten more replies off
this randomly chosen Ed Abbey quote.....)


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[e-mail] (dj) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Eric Helms) wrote:

>>In article <01bbb538$656f2740$9b070ccf@jim-reid-1>, "Jim Reid"
>><[e-mail]> wrote:

>>I know that many people think that the FCC was and continues to be a royal
>>pain in the _ _ _ but I for one will miss some of the support that was
>>received from the FCC in the past.

>>As society becomes more and more dependant on using the RF spectrum as a
>>vehicle for communication and other activities, we need to ensure that the
>>frequency spectrum is MANAGED in such a way that all of us may use it in
>>one way or another.  Key word is manage, which to me means the focal point
>>for activites.  What kind of activies am I talking about?

>>I gave up on CB about 6 months after the FCC killed the license
>>requirement for that activity.  The activities I encountered while
>>listening/participating (at the time I was stationed in Hawaii) were rough
>>to say the least.  (Linear amps with sideband splatter 3 channels either
>>side of the base carrier.)  Perhaps I will get my ham license someday,
>>provided that it too doesn't go away.

>>As a boat owner, I carry a hand held Marine VHF.  The FCC has done in the
>>majority of the license requirements for operation of Marine VHS as well.
>>I can't wait to hear how out of control that band will get, considering
>>that Marine VHF is often used for life support activites.

>>The Livermore, CA monitoring facility (one of the ones which is becoming
>>automated) is less than a mile from our RC aircraft flying field.  We have
>>obtained the assistance from the FCC staff at that facility to help
>>resolve issues with RFI problems several times in the past.  Where are we
>>going to get real time assistance in the future?   Philly?

>>Questions for all; Why are these facilities shutting down?  Why has the
>>operations budget been reduced to a point where they can no longer do the
>>job as defined by the charter?  What is the impact going to be on all of
>>us?

>>Eric Helms
>>[e-mail]

>It will certainly encourage a new generation of pirates!  I think that
>we will be seeing lots of new activity on the hf bands and also lots
>of interference on bands above 50 mhz.

>The FCC has been a real disappointment to all I believe.  Since the
>non-enforcement of CB started, its been downhill for them.  They are
>quick to get into your pocket, but real weak in enforcing the rules.

ditto...i'm a tech for 800 and 900MHZ trunked radio systems in the
Houston area....the interferance (mainly paging xmtrs and other
spurious uhf xmtrs) gets very bad...and the ONLY FCC field rep is a
suit and tie type that doesn't work the field..we've been told in the
past to "work it out among ourselves" with violators!!!!




From [e-mail] Sat Oct 19 10:37:54 1996
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BAYCITVIDGRP wrote:

>    to the idiot guy...

shut up fool.




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Simon Collings)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 17:15:54 GMT
Subject: *** MUFsight Windows Propagation Prediction Software ***
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MUFsight is a Windows program for plotting HF propagation data on
world maps in either spherical or azimuthal projections.  Uses the
respected MINIMUF algorithm.

        http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~g4sgi/Mufsight/Mufsight.htm


A demo of the package is available for download.

Simon


--
Simon Collings, G4SGI
Radio Communications Consultant
http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~g4sgi/






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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
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Subject: 3000+ Vintage Manuals Available at sarrio.com
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If you need a source for vintage radio manuals Ham/scanner/military/and
commercial visit "The Raymond Sarrio Company" web site at
http://www.sarrio.com. I have over 3000 manuals listed on-line. I can
normally get manuals shipped within 2 business days, and I guarantee 100%
customer satisfaction.  73's Ray
--
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developer. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar
provider of discount CD-Roms!
--
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per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:27 1996
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From: John Chubick <[e-mail]>
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I'm looking for 6 meter operators willing to share what they know about
operating on 6 meters. QST's review of the MFJ 9406 6 meter transceiver.
I live in Central Illinois and was wondering if I could easily talk to
family in Western Iowa? It's roughly 320 miles. Would I need a
directional antenna? The MFJ radio is rated at 10 W PEP.

I'd love to hear from experienced 6 meter operators.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:28 1996
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From: "Thomas G. Mosher" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 6 Meter Info Wanted
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 01:47:38 -0500
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John Chubick wrote:
>
> I'm looking for 6 meter operators willing to share what they know about
> operating on 6 meters. QST's review of the MFJ 9406 6 meter transceiver.
> I live in Central Illinois and was wondering if I could easily talk to
> family in Western Iowa? It's roughly 320 miles. Would I need a
> directional antenna? The MFJ radio is rated at 10 W PEP.
>
> I'd love to hear from experienced 6 meter operators.
I used to do 6m and with the conditions right, my little FT767 with its
10w 6m module would carry me to the east coast with a 3 element beam
(mind you this was USB).

KC5DAR
--
Thomas G. Mosher
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:29 1996
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From: Rick Perry <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 6 Meter Info Wanted
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John Chubick wrote:
>
> I'm looking for 6 meter operators willing to share what they know about
> operating on 6 meters. QST's review of the MFJ 9406 6 meter transceiver.
> I live in Central Illinois and was wondering if I could easily talk to
> family in Western Iowa? It's roughly 320 miles. Would I need a
> directional antenna? The MFJ radio is rated at 10 W PEP.
>
> I'd love to hear from experienced 6 meter operators.

Hi John,

I have been on and off 6 meters since the 50's and its a strange band.
That's the attraction!  But to your question, with 10 watts and an
average antenna I doubt very much you could talk that far.  Even with
the band open (E skip)you you would probably shoot over that distance.
Now if you go to big power and large array (on both sides) you might be
able to do it on a regular.  You might see what the repeater's on 6 are
upto.  If high enough maybe they could help cover the distance you want
on FM.  That's not really my area of knowledge.

73's Rick, KG7A


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:30 1996
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From: William R Liporace <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 930 Tuner Mod
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:10:19 -0400
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Is there a mod for the TS-930 internal tuner to work in the general
coverage part of the radio??  I know the rig is modified for MARS use but
the tuner does not.  ANy ideas would be helpful.  TNX 73 Will

William Liporace KB2HUN          [e-mail]
763 Huntingdon Drive             KB2HUN @ K2TR (yccc packet cluster)
Niskayuna, NY 12309              KB2HUN @ WA2PVV (NEDA)
518-346-3804 home                518-471-2837 work



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: [HELP] PTT Microphone Connection Problem...
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Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <01bba84b$c9d95e20$[e-mail]> "lumo68" <s_jhcheo
[e-mail]> writes:
>I have a old-fashioned CB Rig named PACE-8025.
>However I lost the Microphone (4-Pin, PTT Mic.).
>Well.. I'm trying to make a mic. with a audio microphone and a toggle
>switch.
>
>BUT! I have a BIG problem...
>
>That is, I don't know how to connet the microphone socket.
>The socket looks like tihis:
>
>+-------+
>| 1     2 |          1, 2, 3, and 4 represent the connector.
>|          |
>| 3     4 |
>+---+---+
>
>      ^
>      |
>      +-------  a protrusion toward inside.
>
>#1  doesn't connect to any electronic device on the PBC.
>#2  connects to the point marked as <PTT> on the PBC.
>#3  connects to the point marked as <GND> on the PBC.
>#4  connects to the point marked as <MIC>  on the PBC.
>
>When I connect  #2 and #3, the TX LED was on!
>But I don't know how to transmit my voice signal.
>Though I connected #4 and #1, It didn't work!
>
>I need your help.

Connect the microphone between 3 and 4 and the PTT switch
between 2 and 3. Note, there are 2 connections to 3. Pin
1 is not used.

Gary

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es
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:34 1996
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From: "lumo68" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: [HELP] PTT Microphone Connection Problem...
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I have a old-fashioned CB Rig named PACE-8025.
However I lost the Microphone (4-Pin, PTT Mic.).
Well.. I'm trying to make a mic. with a audio microphone and a toggle
switch.

BUT! I have a BIG problem...

That is, I don't know how to connet the microphone socket.
The socket looks like tihis:

+-------+
| 1     2 |          1, 2, 3, and 4 represent the connector.
|          |
| 3     4 |
+---+---+

      ^
      |
      +-------  a protrusion toward inside.

#1  doesn't connect to any electronic device on the PBC.
#2  connects to the point marked as <PTT> on the PBC.
#3  connects to the point marked as <GND> on the PBC.
#4  connects to the point marked as <MIC>  on the PBC.

When I connect  #2 and #3, the TX LED was on!
But I don't know how to transmit my voice signal.
Though I connected #4 and #1, It didn't work!

I need your help.

Please let me know how to solve this BIG problem...

Mail me to:   [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: ACT Dumb?  RS Salesdroids ARE dumb!
Date: 24 Oct 1996 17:18:17 GMT
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>>So, if these droids start selling the HTX-202 as GMRS, scoff at them,
>>report their wrong "Answers (tm)" to a supervisory level (even if its
>>above the manager)...and then piss 'em off like I did.  Direct the
poor
>>customer out the DOOR! (slam)  (Note: I do not work for RS, that's the
>>funny part!)
>
>Hmmm...they do that in your area too, huh?
>
>Reminds me of the time I overheard Sammy Salesdroid trying to sell HTX-
>202s to a construction foreman because "they have more channels and talk

>further than these do."  ("These" being the standard CB walkie-talkies)
>
>License?  What license?  DUH!!!!
>
>"You've got questions, we've got Salesdroids."
>
>
>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:37 1996
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From: "Lindquist, Rick, KX4V" <[e-mail]>
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Just received: Solar report from Tad Cook, KT7H:

GEOMAGNETIC ACTIVITY UP

Solar observer Tad Cook, KT7H, in Seattle, Washington, reports that solar
activity remained low last week, but there was more geomagnetic activity.
Conditions have been disturbed over the past few days, and the average A
Index was about double this week compared to the week previous.

Disturbed conditions are expected to fade through the weekend (CQ World Wide
DX SSB Contest begins at 0000 UTC on October 26), and then become upset
again around November 9 and again around November 15. Solar flux is expected
to stay about the same.

Sunspot numbers for October 17 through 23 were 0, 0, 0, 0, 11, 0 and 0,
respectively, with a mean of 1.6. The 10.7-cm flux was 68.5, 69.6, 71, 71.3,
69.7, 69.8 and 67.8, respectively, with a mean of 69.7. The planetary A
indices for the same period were 6, 21, 31, 15, 7, 28, and 35, respectively,
with a mean of 20.4.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Klaus Tiedemann, DL4EBY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Address of OM9AEM ?
Date: 30 Oct 1996 02:00:00 +0200
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Hi everybody,
can anybody tell me, if there's a database existing accessable on the
Internet with world wide callsign lists ?

Or does anyboy have the address of OM9AEM ?

Thanks, Klaus.
__
[e-mail]             Klaus Tiedemann     On the air : DL4EBY
[e-mail]   AX25: DL4EBY@DB0GR  In the air : D-6156
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Sturge)
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Subject: ADMS CABLE for FT-51
Date: 28 Oct 1996 17:37:17 GMT
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I have lost my programming cable for my FT-51R. Does
anyone have any plans on how to build one, or
where a spare can be purchased.  It is the
cable used for the ADMS Software.


Thanks in Advance.
Jerry



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Strain)
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Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo phonetics: the quickie version
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 13:07:25 -0800
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In article <54qpq4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

>            Phonetic Alphabets (Alpha Bravo etc)
>                      (brief version)
>
> There is a widely known alphabet Alpha Bravo ... Yankee Zulu.
> Such alphabets are variously known as phonetic alphabets,
> radio alphabets, spelling alphabets and telephone alphabets.
>
> I have a collection of alphabets for many languages which
> I post occasionally, but as that now amounts to many hundreds
> of lines I here post a brief sample.
<SNIP, BIG TIME>
> Two Spanish alphabets:
>
>    Antonio Barcelona Carmen Chocolate Dolores Enrique ... Zaragoza
>
>    Amalia Beatriz Carmen Domingo ... Yucata'n Zorro

     Thanks very much, Brian.  I haven't had time yet to d/l any of the
more lengthy lists you cited, but as a newbie here, your post struck me as
another wonderful instance of learning one of those
"things-you-always-wanted-to-know-but-how-on-earth-would-you-look-something-li
ke-that-up?"
     In the Spanish language, because many sounds are elided to perhaps a
greater degree than in English, the phonetic alphabet is especially
useful. About 10 years ago, in Taxco, Mexico, I listened as a hotel clerk
spelled out my last name over the phone to a reservationist in Acapulco,
our next stop. The alphabet she used seemed to consist of given names,
mostly male.  I still remember her phonetic version of "Strain" because
I've since used it many times myself. It went, "Ese Saul, te Tomßs, ere
Ram≤n, a Antonio, i Ignacio, ene Norma."  Thanks again.
. . . jim strain in san diego.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Rosenfeld NF3I)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur licensing exam 10/23/96 6 p.m., Coll Pk, MD
Date: 23 Oct 1996 01:55:57 GMT
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Amateur licensing exam to be held at Lasick's Beef House
in College Park, MD on Wed., 10/23/96. at 6 p.m.

Definitely giving Novice and Technician written exams,
if you would like to take other exams please let me know.

Thanks!
--
* Scott Rosenfeld NF3I Burtonsville, MD FM19mc QRV 80-10/6/2/440 *
*** 6m 75 grids worked on 8 watts *** HF 138 cfmd * QRP-L #147 ***
** QRP ARCI #9054 ** DXCC/WAS/WAC *** 100% dipole powered HF/6m **
* 301-549-1022 h / 301-982-1015 w *** 145.490- 147.225+ PL 156.7 *


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David J Brooks)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur Radio Clubs in Dallas, TX
Date: 23 Oct 96 18:47:21 GMT
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I know that somebody here was asking about these, here they are...
You can get a more complete list of clubs for any given US state by
sending e-mail to:

[e-mail]

with the following content

SEND CLUBS.<your state postal abreviation here>
QUIT

so for Texas, you would request CLUBS.TX, Wyoming would be CLUBS.WY,
etc... the subject line will be ignored.

Amateur Radio Clubs in the DFW area.
--------------------------------------------
ASHCRAFT REPEATER CLUB INC
GARY W MOSS AA5IK PRES
5620 FONDREN DR
DALLAS, TX 75206

DALLAS ARC  W5FC
JAY MILLER KB5YXG PRES
PO BOX 744266
DALLAS, TX 75374

DALLAS/FORT WORTH ARC
DONALD THOMAS  KA1CWM PRES
PO BOX 112
COPPELL, TX 75019

HOCKADAY SCHOOL AR KLUB
DR DAVID KOCH  W8LNJ ADVISOR
THE HOCKADAY SCHOOL
11600 WELCH RD
DALLAS, TX 75229

KILOCYCLE CLUB OF FT WORTH  W5SH
RUSSELL STRINGFIELD KB5SCM
PO BOX 6510
FORT WORTH, TX 76115

NORTH TEXAS CONTEST CLUB
JAMES EPPRIGHT K5RX PRES
3123 TOWER TRAIL
DALLAS, TX 75229

SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY  W5YF
W MILTON GOSNEY JR KG5RO
315 CARUTH HALL
SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIV
DALLAS, TX 75275

I'm sure there are probably more that are not included on this list. Hope
this helps...

David J Brooks - KC5WNK
[e-mail]
-+- -+-+ +++++ +-- -+ -+-   +-+-+


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Radio Newsline #1002  25 Oct 1996
Date: 28 Oct 1996 23:33:21 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Steve_Coletti <[e-mail]> wrote:

>                               MORE HF BANDS
>
>   Will there be more ham bands in the future for ham radio?  Possibly,
>according to ARRL President Rod Stafford, KB6ZV.

This must obviously be a mis-print. According to His Most Omniscent,
Carl, everyone in existance wants our HF bands. That's why we must
flood them with millions of codeless HF licensees -- to "protect"
them.



>             TUCKER ELECTRONICS BOWS OUT OF HAM RADIO BUSINESS
...
>   Tucker's Holloran says that the move will allow his company to
>concentrate on its core business, distributing new and reconditioned
>electronic test and measurement equipment.

More than likely its due to the fact that hams are notoriously cheap,
and wouldn't pay Tucker's outrageous prices on their gear. Luckily
there are enough stupid people in private industry to purchase their
reconditioned equipment from Tucker at over-inflated prices.

[I still laugh every time I remember seeing the old z-80 CPM machine
for sale in a tucker catalog about 2 years ago, selling for "only"
$895. BASIC Interpreter sold separately!]



MD
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Oberg)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Any 2 meter beacons in So Cal?
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:40:23 GMT
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Hi. How come there are no two meter beacons in Southern California. I want
to test antennas and receivers, but have no standard to compare against.
Make my own?

  Comments or questions would be helpfull.

 Eric [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:47:48 1996
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Subject: Any Hotrodders in this group?
Date: 29 Oct 1996 00:37:16 GMT
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Does anybody else have this affliction? I met a fellow HAM at a British Car sh
ow
in Indianapolis a couple of weeks ago. My son is a HAM, and is rebuilding my o
ld
TR4 as his first car. What a project, but he's learning the car from the frame
 up.

I'm into '60s' musclecars (GTO's) and also work at the Indianapolis Motor Spee
dway
during the month of May on the USAC Timing and Scoring Staff. Racing software
is
part of that gig. Last year I worked 40 meter mobile during the rain delay and
 then
after the race, from the infield. That was pretty neat. In any event, are ther
e
others who are into the automobile hobby?


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <553jjs$1rgs$[e-mail]> [e-mail]@smtp-gw01.ny.
us.ibm.net writes:
>In any event, are there
>others who are into the automobile hobby?

I was, but I got over it (at least for now, the bug never entirely goes
away). I raced oval track, ran a Pro Stock car, graduated to a Top Fuel
car, and fooled around restoring a GT40. It's worse than owning a boat.
Consumes endless quantities of time and money for a too short adrenalin
rush.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From: Greg Becker <[e-mail]>
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The majority of the ARD-230A parts amp is sold. I still have the
transformer.

Greg Becker
[e-mail]


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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB075
ARLB075 ARRL Board meets

ZCZC AG55
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 75  ARLB075
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 29, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB075
ARLB075 ARRL Board meets

The ARRL Board of Directors met in special session October 24 and
26, 1996, at Windsor Locks, Connecticut.  The following is a summary
of major Board actions.

The League will seek an extension of the compliance date, currently
set for January 1, 1997, of new RF safety regulations released in ET
Docket 93-62, to January 1, 1998, allowing more time for drafting of
acceptable implementation guidelines.

Responding to the continuing problem of minimal FCC enforcement
activity, the ARRL will petition the FCC to create procedures to
allow submission of private sector complaints of serious rule
violations directly to the FCC's Chief Administrative Law Judge,
hurdling bureau processing delays.

ARRL President Rodney Stafford, KB6ZV, was authorized to sign a
formal agreement with the National Frequency Coordinators' Council,
effecting the so-called single point of contact concept.

The ARRL will petition the FCC for a relaxation of the rules
governing the Radio Amateur Civil Emergency Service to permit
stations operating under RACES to communicate with non-RACES amateur
stations actively engaged in an emergency or drill. An increase in
the time limit on RACES drills to five hours per week will also be
sought.

In view of the congressional mandate imposed on the FCC to auction
the 2305-2320 MHz band for commercial purposes, ARRL will seek an
increase in the amateur service allocation status, from secondary to
primary, in the 2300-2305 MHz segment.

The Board adopted revised legislative positions for the 105th
Congress.

The Board's WRC-99  planning committee will study an ARRL Industry
Advisory Council recommendation to extend HF digital privileges to
Novice and Technician Plus licensees and report back to the Board.

Effective July 1, 1997, ARRL dues of Full and Associate Members will
increase to 34 dollars annually. The senior dues rate will be
increased to 28 dollars.

The Board declared the theme of the 1997 ARRL National Convention in
Jacksonville, Florida, to be Public Service. The Board also declared
1997 as the ARRL Year of Public Service, in recognition of the
critical importance of public service activities in the amateur
community.

The Board commended retiring West Gulf Division Director Tom
Comstock, N5TC, for his long-time dedication and service to the
ARRL.

Details will appear in January QST.
NNNN
/EX


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Best of Squiggie: On Ham Radio
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 06:48:31 GMT
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What Squiggie Thinks about Hams:

> a bunch of semi-senile olde fartz sitting around banging
> two pieces of brass together to make di di duh duh noises

> BFD ... so you've talked to ### countries with a radio ...

> Yeah, hanging out on 14.313 and screaming obscenties like an asshole
> really helps to keep one operationally sharp, all right ...  so does
> seeing how badly you can stomp your competitiors int the dust in the
> contest of the weekend ...  so does saying "What's your 10-10 number?"
> over and over and over again ... so does "UR 599 in ___ PSE QSL TNX
> <SK>"

> .. they're either choosing to ignore the facts, or simply too stupid to
> understand them ... I find a little of both from the pro-code side at
> times ...

> BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT!  Ham radio is stuck in the 1950s or 1960s
> somewhere .....

> The arrogance of hams!

> average techno-ignorant pro-code fanatic will yell and scream

> The majority of today's hams are so far behind the power curve of
> technology that they'd have to study 3 nights a week for six months just
> to try to catch up ...

> about contests, >DXing, collecting "10-10 numbers" or any of the
> other inane, retarded "games" that idiots like you have convinced
> yourselves are "the reason" for ham radio's existence ...

73, Jim KH2D
Lenny and Squiggie (C) Troll 1996




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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Best of Squiggie: On Ham Radio
Date: 26 Oct 1996 17:18:42 GMT
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In <54sfum$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehler
) writes:
>What Squiggie Thinks about Hams:
>
>> a bunch of semi-senile olde fartz sitting around banging
>> two pieces of brass together to make di di duh duh noises
>
>> BFD ... so you've talked to ### countries with a radio ...
>
>> Yeah, hanging out on 14.313 and screaming obscenties like an asshole
>> really helps to keep one operationally sharp, all right ...  so does
>> seeing how badly you can stomp your competitiors int the dust in the
>> contest of the weekend ...  so does saying "What's your 10-10 number?"
>> over and over and over again ... so does "UR 599 in ___ PSE QSL TNX
>> <SK>"
>
>> .. they're either choosing to ignore the facts, or simply too stupid to
>> understand them ... I find a little of both from the pro-code side at
>> times ...
>
>> BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT!  Ham radio is stuck in the 1950s or 1960s
>> somewhere .....
>
>> The arrogance of hams!
>
>> average techno-ignorant pro-code fanatic will yell and scream
>
>> The majority of today's hams are so far behind the power curve of
>> technology that they'd have to study 3 nights a week for six months just
>> to try to catch up ...
>
>> about contests, >DXing, collecting "10-10 numbers" or any of the
>> other inane, retarded "games" that idiots like you have convinced
>> yourselves are "the reason" for ham radio's existence ...
>
>73, Jim KH2D
>Lenny and Squiggie (C) Troll 1996
>

Jim,

How dare you try to attach YOUR copyright notice to quotes of MY
writings?

I am flattered, in a way, that you appreciate my comments about you so
much that you save them, but you really can't claim them as your own,
just because they're ABOUT you ...

One last thing ... they do lose a bit when taken out of context like
this ...  perhaps the next time you feel the urge to regurgitate them,
you'll include enough of the pro-code drivel that prompted them that
they can be taken in context instead of in isolation ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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In <54vh5m$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehler
) writes:
>
>Oh, exuse me.   I didn't realize that within the context of a discussion,
>saying, for example, hams are "a bunch of semi-senile olde fartz sitting arou
nd
>banging  two pieces of brass together to make di di duh duh noises" meant
>anything different within the context of that discussion than it did in
>'isolation'.  Are you trying to cover your tracks by saying that you are
>justified in all you criticisms of ham radio because someone else said someth
ing
>first that 'made you do it' ?

NO, I'm not trying tom make excuses ... but it would be more fair to
show things in context ... some of the snippets you reposted are fairly
"stand-alone" others are more appropriate with context ... that's all.

>I think a regular monthly 'Best of Squggie'
>posting will be very beneficial to those people who just don't have the time
to
>read everything you write.  Maybe if you get to see it all at once, it may ev
en
>calm you down a bit, who knows......

You can make an ass of yourself by reposting other people's comments if
you wish ... that's your perogative and you exercise is regularly ...

If you insist on reposting me, I think it's only reasonable to demand
that your use my name instead of your ridiculous nicknames ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Best of Squiggie: On Personal Insults
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 06:52:15 GMT
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One day Squiggie said:

> Try looking in the mirror ... you and Steve the Troll and Mike D. adn
> Jim Conn are the ones who keep bringing the "Carl this" and "Carl that"
> stuff to the forefront and making personal insults.

So a Few Things Squiggie Says That Are NOT Personal Insults:

> Your asinine, ridiculous comments leave no doubt that you haven't a
> clue about modern communications technology ...  I'm sure I have
> technicians in their mid 20s working for me who know far more than you

> Why don't you just go run a nice warm bath, climb in, and slit your
> wrists????

> ... as opposed to a cowering wimp who is too afraid to say "Why?"
> (like you)

> "Bullshit" is NOT an obscenity ... it is, perhaps, a "mild
> profanity" ... now asshole, that's a bit stronger, though still not an
> obscentity, but it clearly applies to you ...

> YOU lie virtually *every* time you post, you SOB ...  you lie about at
> least one thing I've said in every post, not to mention all the
> falsehoods you glibly spread as if they were fact, just because you are
> stupid enough to believe them ...

> Because, you freaking idiot, ......

> No strawman, no FUD, you idiot ...

73, Jim KH2D
Lenny and Squiggie (C) Troll 1996




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From: Butch Kraus <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Big HAM Sale
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:41:56 -0700
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>My girlfriend said the equipment or me.  So here's the equipment for
> >sale.
>
> >Scanner Uniden BC890XLT   $235
> >Scanner Uniden BC200XLT   $175
> >Transceiver Kenwood 440AT   $800
> >Transceiver Icom 735   $650
> >Transceiver Kenwood TM231   $250
> >Transceiver Icom 2GAT  $300
> >Transceiver Kenwood TH78A   $375
> >Antenna Tuner Icom AT500   $350
> >Amplifier  Icom IC2KL    $1250
> >Power Supply  Astron  IRS 35A    $125
> >Antenna  Telex/Hy-Gain TH5Mk2  (New in box)   $450
> >TNC  AEA PK-232MBX   $250
> >Frequency Counter Optoelectronics Portable 2810  $300
> >Heil Microphone/ Kenwood connection & stand    $130
> >
> >Let me know.
>
> Butch,


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From: David <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Big HAM Sale
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Butch Kraus wrote:
>
> >My girlfriend said the equipment or me.  So here's the equipment for
> > >sale.
> >
> > >Scanner Uniden BC890XLT   $235
> > >Scanner Uniden BC200XLT   $175
> > >Transceiver Kenwood 440AT   $800
> > >Transceiver Icom 735   $650
> > >Transceiver Kenwood TM231   $250
> > >Transceiver Icom 2GAT  $300
> > >Transceiver Kenwood TH78A   $375
> > >Antenna Tuner Icom AT500   $350
> > >Amplifier  Icom IC2KL    $1250
> > >Power Supply  Astron  IRS 35A    $125
> > >Antenna  Telex/Hy-Gain TH5Mk2  (New in box)   $450
> > >TNC  AEA PK-232MBX   $250
> > >Frequency Counter Optoelectronics Portable 2810  $300
> > >Heil Microphone/ Kenwood connection & stand    $130
> > >
> > >Let me know.
> >
> > Butch,

Ah, How much for the girlfriend?  (Keep the equipment!)


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:03 1996
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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Callbook Server Summary
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:08:38 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what happened to the Callbook Server Summary that
> usaully posts the FCC's new callsign activity for the previous day? It
> hasn't been updated since the 21st.
>
> I've also noted that I cannot download any forms from the FCC. The
> FCC's computers don't seem to be responding.
>
> I wonder if these two incidents are related?
>
> 73..de John/K8PXG
>
> John/K8PXG in Pembroke Pines, FL
I just checked and it's up to date.
http://www.lantz.com/htbin/cbs_today

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860/
--
Dave Booth kc6wfs
dm04rk


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769) wrote:

>Ham Radio was the true beginning of the Wireless Internet. It will
>ultimately explode. People will have the total ham radio experience
>without the licensing as they teleconference freely thru our ether.
>What hams do now as a "licensed privilege" will be everyone's
>experience - only faster, better, stereo, color, digital, warp
>speed, real-time, multi-tasking, AI smart, way kewl, near free,
>fun communications with anyone they want to about anything they
>want to. The world has shrunk to the size of your computer screen
>and soon, you will too!

>We can dance along the path and make billions of dollars providing
>it or we can clutch our straight keys and resist change. Its
>ultimately a personal choice - but certainly in the domain of how
>we react to the inevitable, not whether the inevitable happens or
>not.

>As a rule of thumb, don't settle for less. Get a 64 bit 200 MHz CPU and
>start designing things that move and use data as fast as you can.

>73!

>John D. Seney
>http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v

John, all the above could very well happen, on the internet.  But will ham rad
io
become the internet ?  I am missing something in the discussion of all the
hi-teck stuff here somewhere.  If I want to talk to my Mom across the world on
the Webphone, what's that got to do with ham radio ?  Isn't there a certain
'fun' aspect to ham radio that we experience by communicating with a radio
with someone else ?  Will the 'fun' still be there if anyone who has a Visa ca
rd
and a computer store in their neighborhood can jump in and do it ?  It seems
to me the internet is for the computer hobbyist, and that ham radio is for the
RF hobbyist.  Maybe I am confused.  Anyway, Grandpa Lenny will like the
'warp speed' stuff you mentioned.

73, Jim KH2D




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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> Please read this in its entirety ... it starts out a bit slow, but Jim
> really loses it towards the end and reveals the REAL pro-code agenda

(snip, snip, Carl's repost)

> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Sorry Carl, I didn't lose anything. You lost your argument, I didn't. I
simply said (I know you have limited HF experience, Carl, so you may
not understand this) that the numbers of those having access to the HF
bands must be limited to a reasonable number to prevent world-wide QRM.
VHF and UHF are line-of-sight, so these bands do not have the potential
for interference that HF does. You can scream your lies and
misrepresentations all you wish, but you're wrong on this, and you
know it.

To other readers who may not know what we are discussing, Carl insists on
wasting space by reposting using a different heading so no one will see
that I have already replied under another heading. Let me simply say,
please read my answer to his ridiculous, phoney allegation that I posted
under the thread "Re: Nother Pro-Code Luddite".

Thank you for ignoring this ridiculous double-post, cross-post of Carl's.

73,
Jim - AD4VL



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Jim Conn wrote:
>
> Carl Stevenson wrote:
> >
> > Please read this in its entirety ... it starts out a bit slow, but Jim
> > really loses it towards the end and reveals the REAL pro-code agenda
>
> (snip, snip, Carl's repost)
>
> > Carl - wa6vse
> > [e-mail]
>
> Sorry Carl, I didn't lose anything. You lost your argument, I didn't. I
> simply said (I know you have limited HF experience, Carl, so you may
> not understand this) that the numbers of those having access to the HF
> bands must be limited to a reasonable number to prevent world-wide QRM.
> VHF and UHF are line-of-sight, so these bands do not have the potential
> for interference that HF does. You can scream your lies and
> misrepresentations all you wish, but you're wrong on this, and you
> know it.
>
> To other readers who may not know what we are discussing, Carl insists on
> wasting space by reposting using a different heading so no one will see
> that I have already replied under another heading. Let me simply say,
> please read my answer to his ridiculous, phoney allegation that I posted
> under the thread "Re: Nother Pro-Code Luddite".
>
> Thank you for ignoring this ridiculous double-post, cross-post of Carl's.
>
> 73,
> Jim - AD4VL

PROBABLY AFTER ALL THIS TIME,NOBODY CARES ANAY MORE.SOME WANT THIS
AND SOME WANT THAT.BIG DEAL.  STEVE


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Conrad R. Dery, Jr. <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbc483$d2664c20$8c74d4cd@default>...
> Take a few minutes and read this.  It could change your life!!!!
>
> This is your chance to earn BIG BUCKS
>
> This is for real....no gimmicks!!!
>
> I read this article from a news group telling me I could make $50,000.00
in
<snip>

Conrad,
Do you realize that this scheme is called Wire Fraud and Mail Fraud? Most
everyone else does that reads this crap. ESPECIALLY with such a misleading
title and the fact that it was cross-posted to 10 different NG's! A message
has been sent to your ISP notifying them of your actions, along with copies
to the FCC and US Postal Service. KEEP THIS CRAP OUT OF OUR NEWS-GROUPS!
--
Glenn Schultz
10X 68391
N0VYK

interNET       ==>>  [e-mail]
packetNET   ==>>  [e-mail]

Check out the Ionospheric Protection League
Amateur and Antique Radio Homepage
==>>   http://www.spacestar.net/users/glenn/index.html




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From: WCDEM <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:22:37 -0700
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Guys, if you can't refrain from calling each other names, that is a
good indication that the "debate" has degenerated to the point that it is
 pointless to continue. Stop wasting bandwith.


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>
>
>
> J>You might want to look at the statistics showing how the hams are
>  >getting older and older and there are not nearly enough young ones to
>  >enter the hobby. In Finland, the average ham age in the last 4 years has
>  >increased by 3 years. That means pretty clearly that young men and
>  >women are not entering the hobby. Guess what happens when the large
>  >post-war generations get old within the next 15 to 20 years or so.
>
> As hams get older, the average intelligence gets higher.  The reverse is
> also true.

The ham population cannot just continue to get older. A population which is
ageing at basically the same rate as the passage of time will eventually
die out, because we all die. So will amateur radio unless the average age
of the amateurs stabilises.

As to whether age brings intelligence, that seems questionable after reading
some of the things that get posted ;-)

> ---
>    OLX 1.53   ...73 DE:  [e-mail]

Mark.




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <54cict$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writ
es:
>Somebody, I don't know who, wrote:
>
>> >You might want to look at the statistics showing how the hams are
>> >getting older and older and there are not nearly enough young ones to
>> >enter the hobby. In Finland, the average ham age in the last 4 years has
>> >increased by 3 years.
>
>Sounds like the ham population is getting younger, not older.  Seems to me
>most hams would age 4 years in a 4 year period, not 3.  Maybe they put someth
ing
>in the water in Finland ?
>
>73, Jim KH2D

Skipped population demographics in school, did you Jim?
When the average age of a population group is increasing
at 3/4 year per year, that group is dying. It means that
younger people aren't entering the group at a rate which
would sustain it. A demographically stable group has the
same average age year after year.

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:16 1996
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From: Pushkin <[e-mail]>
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When I first became a ham some 40+ years ago, I didn't have to contend with
the problem my teenager has to overcome.

He is interested in electronics and related electrical matters, but is
hampered by an inability to distinguish red from green from brown.
Technically, he has dichromatic vision (red/green color blindness).

This difficulty has caused more than a few sparks to fly, circiut boards to
fry, and breakers to pop open.  Color-coded components require him to seek
the advice of others, who are not always intent on giving him accurate
information (just for the fun of seeing what happens when his sabotaged
efforts are powered up.)

I'm going to try some some tests with him shortly which will employ color
filter gels to see if there is any benefit in that approach.  If any of you
similarly-affected folk out there have discovered reliable methods of color
identification, I would appreciate your sharing your techniques with me so
that I may work with my son to overcome this troubling obsticle.

Many thanks,

Al


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From: [e-mail] (Dale LeDoux)
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Subject: Re: Color identification
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Pushkin <[e-mail]> wrote:

>When I first became a ham some 40+ years ago, I didn't have to contend with
>the problem my teenager has to overcome.

>He is interested in electronics and related electrical matters, but is
>hampered by an inability to distinguish red from green from brown.
>Technically, he has dichromatic vision (red/green color blindness).

>This difficulty has caused more than a few sparks to fly, circiut boards to
>fry, and breakers to pop open.  Color-coded components require him to seek
>the advice of others, who are not always intent on giving him accurate
>information (just for the fun of seeing what happens when his sabotaged
>efforts are powered up.)

>I'm going to try some some tests with him shortly which will employ color
>filter gels to see if there is any benefit in that approach.  If any of you
>similarly-affected folk out there have discovered reliable methods of color
>identification, I would appreciate your sharing your techniques with me so
>that I may work with my son to overcome this troubling obsticle.

>Many thanks,

>Al
Al--

Not an uncommon problem, but with resistors, the best way around it is
a good digital VOM.  Check each resistor with the meter first.
Doesn't cure the problem but is a decent workaround.  I know a few
electricians with the malady, and they manage by being careful and
taking extra steps to make sure the browns and greens and oranges
don't get swapped.


Dale
KD5QI



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Color identification
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In article <[e-mail]> Pushkin <[e-mail]> writes:
>When I first became a ham some 40+ years ago, I didn't have to contend with
>the problem my teenager has to overcome.
>
>He is interested in electronics and related electrical matters, but is
>hampered by an inability to distinguish red from green from brown.
>Technically, he has dichromatic vision (red/green color blindness).
>
>This difficulty has caused more than a few sparks to fly, circiut boards to
>fry, and breakers to pop open.  Color-coded components require him to seek
>the advice of others, who are not always intent on giving him accurate
>information (just for the fun of seeing what happens when his sabotaged
>efforts are powered up.)

One of our techs is color blind. He resorts to the expedient of reading
component values with a meter. Considering some of the off-color colors
used in Japanese equipment, that's not a bad practice for those of us
who aren't color blind to use too. Just what value is that puce, lavender,
and mauve resistor anyway?

>I'm going to try some some tests with him shortly which will employ color
>filter gels to see if there is any benefit in that approach.  If any of you
>similarly-affected folk out there have discovered reliable methods of color
>identification, I would appreciate your sharing your techniques with me so
>that I may work with my son to overcome this troubling obsticle.

Gels can help. Our tech adjusts color monitors with the aid of gels,
actually the gels are inside a device called a colorimeter, I use it too.
It's more accurate and repeatable than unaided vision, just adjust for
the same meter readings and all the monitors look the same. Not much use
for reading resistors though. A VOM is better for that.

What I'm getting at here is that I think your son will be better
served by ignoring color codes and using other means to identify
components. However, if you want to try gels, the two colors you
want are magenta (negative green) and cyan (negative red). These
two gels will make green or red respectively appear dark in
comparison to the other colors. With the pastel colors used as
color codes on many things today, however, they may not be very
reliable aids. I have excellent color vision, but I still have
to resort to a meter many times to positively determine a component
value.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:20 1996
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From: Mitchell Louis <[e-mail]>
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Subject: contacting maritime mobil ham
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:32:05 -0500
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Was wondering if someone outthere could give me a hand. Long lost ham
friend sent me a card from tahiti.KE2FC/MM ex N4JDX/MM is "going 'round"
as he puts it. I dont have a HF rig as of yet (moving) and want to
contact him. If anyone monitors 14313/14300 at 0400-0500 GMT give him a
shout and say "jolly good show al go for it!!!' for me. The boat is the
"Bojangles" and the capt. is Al irving.
        If anyone has any ideas on how i can reach him, give me a shout on
e-mail.  thanks
mitch N4JBW


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:21 1996
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From: KJ4WH <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Cotest This Weekend ???
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:07:17 -0400
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I understand there is some kind of HF contest this weekend? Could someone po
st the highlights? I just set up my station again
> after being out of touch for several years.


Hi John,
        Yep, your right.  This weekend is the grandaddy of dx contests.
The CQ Magazine World Wide DX Contest (SSB portion) is from 0000z Sat
(8pm edt) to 2400 Sunday (7pm EST ).  The rules are a bit much to try
and explain here.  Check out http://www.affcom.com/cqcontest/ for info.

Gary Powell  KJ4WH
Lakeland,  Fl.


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JAS wrote:
>
> I recently picked up a bunch of crystals and would like to know what
> they could have been used for.  They are old, because the frequency is
> listed in kilocycles instead of kilohertz.  Some of the frequencies are:
>
>         27005 kc
>         27085 kc
>         13577 kc
>         28815 kc
>         31.425 kc
>
>         Does anyone recognize any of these and are they of any use today?  I
> have about 100 of them all around the above frequencies.
>
>                                         JAS

The 27005 and 27085 are probably CB radio freqs.. Ch 4 and Ch 11.

Good luck on the others..

J..
KB6ZOP


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From: [e-mail] (Uncle)
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On Fri, 25 Oct 1996 16:58:14 -0700, JAS <[e-mail]> wrote:

+I recently picked up a bunch of crystals and would like to know what
+they could have been used for.  They are old, because the frequency
is
+listed in kilocycles instead of kilohertz.  Some of the frequencies
are:
+
+       27005 kc
+       27085 kc
+       13577 kc
+       28815 kc
+       31.425 kc
+
+       Does anyone recognize any of these and are they of any use
today?  I
+have about 100 of them all around the above frequencies.
+
+                                       JAS
How big are they (physically)?  If they're the monsters in
phenolic holders, like 1 x 1.5 inch, they're probably down
in the 400kc range.  Frequency marked on the case is what
the orig equip multiplied them up to.  Stick 'em in a pro-tem
oscillator and look on a scope - give you an idea of what
decade they're working on.  Also, if the phen case, don't
be too surprised to find they're duds.  Cases simply were
NOT hermetic, after 50 years, believe me, they've absorbed
quite a lot of moisture.

If the 27Meg ones are small, soldered shut cases, etc, they
probably came out of a chook radio.

Uncle Brian  VK6BQN

    -    -    -    -
Life isn't meaningless, it just has a poor signal to noise ratio.


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From: [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
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Channel 18 is actually 144-150 Mhz with video carrier at 145.25
and audio at 149.25.  You should be able to hear the audio on your
22M radio and/or police scanners.
145.25 should also be heard as a buzzing noise.
In some areas, leakage *from* the cable wipes out 145.25 Mhz repeaters!
--
I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Subject: Re: CW Forever
Date: 20 Oct 1996 17:33:05 GMT
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Paul C <[e-mail]> wrote:
>KA4IKH ([e-mail]) wrote:

>> CW is the gatekeeper of ham radio.

>That may be true.  It's quite good at keeping all of the engineers,
>computer enthusiasts, and "rocket scientists" out of the hobby.

Oh, there's a nocode VHF license now available for them now. Didn't you
know?

>Engineers that could be working on the "next big thing" in
>communications.  People that can be working on our digital networks,
>getting them above the pitiful 1200 baud (or 300 baud on HF) that they
>are running at now.

Anyone truly interested on comm research doesn't need a license; those
who design air- and spacecraft don't necessarily fly. Those folks you
mention must not really be interested in working on the "next big thing."
They probably just want to chat like you and I do on the air.

>> If we eliminate the CW requirements, you will soon be able to pick up
>> a license at Wal-mart, along with the latest appliance operator
>> special.

>And what's the problem with "appliance operators"?

They aren't satisfying Paragraph 97.1 in its entirety.

>Are every one of
>your rigs completely home-built?

My transmitters are.

>I don't know about you,
>but I could design and build a radio with all of the features in the
>standard "appliance" rig, but it would not be nearly as small, and
>would probably cost more to build than to buy.

Then try to do without some of those feature. (By the way, snapping ICs
into sockets shouldn't be called "homebrew.")

>As for being an effective gateway.. simply look at 20m.  Every legal
>US op on that band has passed at least a 13 wpm code test, and it's
>far worse than anything else I've heard.. including CB.

Passing a 13wpm fill-in-the-blank test is not indicative of being
able to copy code. We've heard testamony from VEs of hams passing
13 but not being able to even copy 7.

>Maybe Wayne is right... CW does rot the brain.

No, since just about anyone can pass a fill-in-the-blank code test,
you're only hearing a cross-section of today's society. Try tuning
down to the CW portions of the bands if you're looking for gentlemen-
type operating. But of course, you won't know what they're saying
now, will you.

7.3W from Hawaii,
Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Dealing with Contests
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David Robbins <[e-mail]> wrote:

>hows this for an offer from a contester:

>this coming weekend we will stay off the warc bands completely.  and for
>those who can't use the warc bands we will completely avoid the cw
>segments
>of the other 6 hf bands, and the whole vhf/uhf spectrum(except for
>established
>packet networks of course).  in 4 weeks we will reverse that and avoid
>the ssb segments of the 6 hf bands.

>thats over 50% of the hf spectrum each weekend, and almost 100% the
>other
>5 days each week.

Sounds like a plan to me, Dave.  See you in CQWW OM.

73, Jim KH2D


>--
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Ramon Gandia  <rfg.at.nome.dot.net@no, .spam.please> wrote:

>Fellows, I think both modes have their strengths and weaknesses.
>Under very difficult conditions, noise, QRM, etc it is likely that
>CW will get thru better than digital modes.  In normal conditions,
>the digital will outstrip the CW for speed.

Wonder why everyone ignores the limitation of the speed of digital modes:
The typing speed of the operator who initiates a message?

RTTY has been around since the war years yet it never came into the
forefront of amateur comms. Maybe most folks aren't all that interested
in greater "spewput."

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


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From: [e-mail] (K9SQG)
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Still looking for junker L-7 amp and perhaps some 7 line items.

Thanks...


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:29 1996
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From: mondad <[e-mail]>
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Ron/Jeanne Angle wrote:
>
> Am looking for an easy to use electronic drafting program including
> standard RF symbols (yes, even vacuum tubes). I am rebuilding a
> sixties era 4-400A linear and need to trace out all circuits.
> Most programs I have downloaded are for PCB layout/design.
> Tnx es 73 de Ron AB6ZX
>
> =*=* ==*=    =** =**=    =** *    *= =*** =**** ==** =**=
> Ron Angle, Chico CA     E-MAIL ADDRESS:   [e-mail]
> * Amateur radio operator since 1955, current call AB6ZX *
>        (former calls K6KYJ, BV1US, KL7FAR, N6DOJ)
Have you tried pspice? it is in the microsim web site and they have a
free evaluation version. Many manufacturers have spice models for their
products. I don't know about the vacuum tubes. But is all you are
lokking for is a drafting type program them this will serve the purpose
since it also has a feature to edit the actual physical layout of the
model. (By model I mean : taransistors, resistors, diodes, power
supplies....etc.) I recommend getting the 6.3 version. If you don't want
to download it, they will send you a cd.
73 KF4MGQ


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Does anyone have info on where to find datbase
of DX'peditions made or conducted for the past 30 years?
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:32 1996
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From: N9RJV <[e-mail]>
Subject: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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David J Brooks wrote:
>
> Here's a simple solution for anti-coders who want HF privs without
> learning the code. Go get yourself an 11m rig, no license needed. You can
> operate there to your heart's content on either AM of SSB with complete
> assurance that you'll never hear any old farts pounding the brass there.
> Heck, if you live near a big city you are almost certain to hear all
> sorts of digitized noises there...  At any rate, it will sound more or
> less exactly the same as the Ham HF bands would if every anti-coder got
> their wish....
>
> <STATIC BURST>Breaker One Nine, Carl, got your ears on?<MIKE
> SQUEAL><STATIC BURST>
>
> On the other hand, if you spent half as much time working on your code as
> you did whining about it you'd be on HF already...
>
> David J Brooks - KC5WNK
> [e-mail]
> -+- -+-+ +++++ +-- -+ -+-   +-+-+


I agree 110%, David.
The garbage going on 2m now around urban areas is horrific.
The good old 'Break Break' has started to make an appearance around
Chicago on 2m (and I'm not talking for emergency traffic, either -
more's the pity). I'd be willing to bet that in another year or so 11m
and 2m will sound identical.

As for the code, and people like Carl - your childish attitude of crying
and whining to the government to give you something you have neither
earned nor deserve without earning has grown very thin.
It's gotten to the point where every pompous whiny lazy little butthead
who wants something they don't have the integrity, brains or intestinal
fortitude to work for feels they 'deserve' everything they see - at
other peoples expense.

Sorry for the diatribe, but these lazy little morons are really starting
to get my goat.

Gerry
N9RJV
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Rich & Katy Mulvey)
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On Tue, 29 Oct 1996 13:11:29 -0800, N9RJV <[e-mail]> wrote:
>As for the code, and people like Carl - your childish attitude of crying
>and whining to the government to give you something you have neither
>earned nor deserve without earning has grown very thin.
>It's gotten to the point where every pompous whiny lazy little butthead
>who wants something they don't have the integrity, brains or intestinal
>fortitude to work for feels they 'deserve' everything they see - at
>other peoples expense.
>
>Sorry for the diatribe, but these lazy little morons are really starting
>to get my goat.
>


   The problem is that you're making the assumption that a correlation
exists between the codeless licence, and behavior on the bands.
Unfortunately, that's not valid.

   For the past few nights I've been listening to 80M SSB.  I
heard operators call each other "asshole", intentionally interfere
with a Spanish QSO in progress because they didn't want any "spics"
on *THEIR* frequency, not to mention the numerous references to
this or that "bitch."  Do I need to get into the extra-class op
who was counseling a new General that he didn't need to use
a counterpoise ( or, as he put it, "Them wires hangin' off'n the
bottom ) on his new vertical?  Is *THAT* the level of expertise
that we're looking to strive for?  Or to be the well-rounded
personality evinced by another op who proudly declared that he had
read only *2* books in his entire life, even when in school.  All of
this in _15_ minutes of random listening.

   Quite honestly, I used to suffer under the delusion that HF operators
were supposed to be a higher class of operator.  Until, of course, I
built an 80M receiver and actually listened to the trash.  I spend most
of my time using CW on HF, but, quite frankly, I'm getting quite tired
of the RST/WX/QTH QSO's.  When I attempt to bring up a new
subject, my questions are usually ignored, or the other op's XYL
suddenly needs them, urgently.

   On the VHF+ bands, on the other hand, I  can *always* find someone
who wants to talk intelligently about construction, a new digital mode
to try out, or even, *gasp*, something other than radio and the
traffic conditions on the expressway.

   Is it any wonder that new operators question why they have to play
second fiddle to the OM who seem to require the vast majority of our
HF allocations to swear, complain, and play childish games of
one-upmanship?

- Rich
--
[e-mail]                                  Rochester, NY USA
Amateur Radio: [e-mail], aa2ys@wb2wxq.#wny.ny.usa





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N9RJV wrote:
>
> David J Brooks wrote:
> >
> > Here's a simple solution for anti-coders who want HF privs without
> > learning the code. Go get yourself an 11m rig, no license needed. You can
> > operate there to your heart's content on either AM of SSB with complete
> > assurance that you'll never hear any old farts pounding the brass there.
> > Heck, if you live near a big city you are almost certain to hear all
> > sorts of digitized noises there...  At any rate, it will sound more or
> > less exactly the same as the Ham HF bands would if every anti-coder got
> > their wish....
> >
> > <STATIC BURST>Breaker One Nine, Carl, got your ears on?<MIKE
> > SQUEAL><STATIC BURST>
> >
> > On the other hand, if you spent half as much time working on your code as
> > you did whining about it you'd be on HF already...
> >
> > David J Brooks - KC5WNK
> > [e-mail]
> > -+- -+-+ +++++ +-- -+ -+-   +-+-+
>
> I agree 110%, David.
> The garbage going on 2m now around urban areas is horrific.
> The good old 'Break Break' has started to make an appearance around
> Chicago on 2m (and I'm not talking for emergency traffic, either -
> more's the pity). I'd be willing to bet that in another year or so 11m
> and 2m will sound identical.
>
> As for the code, and people like Carl - your childish attitude of crying
> and whining to the government to give you something you have neither
> earned nor deserve without earning has grown very thin.
> It's gotten to the point where every pompous whiny lazy little butthead
> who wants something they don't have the integrity, brains or intestinal
> fortitude to work for feels they 'deserve' everything they see - at
> other peoples expense.
>
> Sorry for the diatribe, but these lazy little morons are really starting
> to get my goat.

I think you guys have a point about the newbies on the amateur bands and
the wierd stuff that goes on, but I think that lots of these "CBers" you
hear on 2m are much more valuable, and far less detrimental, to our
hobby than the "fully qualified" idiots you hear on 75m, all the way
across the band, every night of the year. These are the wonderful good
'ol boys who look down on not only new people, but new ideas, people of
other races, you name it. Neither we as hams, nor the world, needs these
people.

It is very tempting to hold code out as a rite of passage, because a) we
did it the hard way ourselves, and b) we don't want crowded bands. But
this hobby will die without two things 1)technical advancement 2)
sufficient numbers and the resulting lobbying power to keep some
spectrum available. I don't see how anyone in their right mind can deny
that. To do so is to be selfish, understanding that the external forces
acting on our hobby will cause some movement, but "who cares, I'll be
dead anyway".

Technical advancement will not happen as a result of people having great
CW proficiency, rather, if any standards are toughened, they should be
technical in nature. I franky don't see a good rational reason to do
that. I like barriers just like the next guy so I can hurdle them and
then revel in how great I am compared to everyone else. But let's think
a little bit about what the hobby really needs and perhaps create or
eliminate them as we see fit, using a rational basis for our decision.

Dave
KK9L
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Lui)
Subject: Element 1C Code Speed
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I've been practicing for Element 1C and am confused about what the actual
code speed will be. Super Morse sets a 20WPM send rate and 26WPM character rat
e.
I asked the VE Examiner (ARRL) and he said the test is both 20WPM send
and character rate (non-Farnsworth), but wasn't sure because he never timed
it. He did say that Element 1B was 13WPM send rate and 18WPM character rate
which is consistent with Super Morse, which I'm using to practice.

Is there a standard for code speed on code tests? Do I need to ask the
examiner for the source of the test to determine the actual speed? Is there
at least a standard for ARRL code tests?

Anyone know how to make NuMorse go faster than 10WPM send rate and 20WPM
character rate?

Stephen



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From: [e-mail] (August Miller)
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: George Arsics jr ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The FCC squandered approximately $30 million over the past year
: in unnecessary  travel.

: -
:   [e-mail]

Maybe they were traveling around looking for illegal operators and pirate
stations.



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From: Stan Vandiver <[e-mail]>
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Bernie Skoch wrote:
>
> FCC Part 97 is (or at least used to be--I think it is still) at:
>
>  http://www.acs.ncsu.edu/HamRadio/FCC/index.html
>
> 73,
>
> Bernie Skoch, NH6I
> Honolulu

Hi all,

That link that Bernie gave is still there, but it is a 1993 version of
Part 97.
For an updated version (June 1996), point your browser or favorite ftp
program to:

ftp://oak.oakland.edu/pub/hamradio/arrl/infoserv/rib/part97.txt

Best regards,
Stan/KD9BE


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In <556n2k$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (George
Arsics jr) writes:
>
>Is there any confirmation yet that the FCC will be closed down
>-
>early in 1997?   Newsdates had an article that the FCC will be
>
>converted to an Office of Technology in the executive office of the
>
>president & have a staff of only 160 people.
>  [e-mail]
>
>

    What, who is "Newsdates"?  The 'report' seems far fetched to me.
Have you seen any Congressional movement to that effect???  This is
what it would take, face it!

    -=Tony=-    W6ANV


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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Spafford)
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Subject: Re: Finding Amateur Radio Clubs
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On 21 Oct 1996 21:28:01 GMT UNITED MUSLIM FORCES wrote in
rec.radio.amateur.misc:

>How can I find an amateur radio club near Dallas?

Dallas (Texas, I assume) is a huge city, so finding one shouldn't be a
problem.  If no one responds to your posting about a specific club,
try your local Radio Shack for help.  Most times they have a listing
of local clubs.  Beyond that, most people at Radio Shack are useless
when it comes to Amateur Radio.  Most are not licensed, so they don't
know anything more.



73, de Chuck

73, de Chuck Spafford
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Chuck Spaff
ord) writes:
> On 21 Oct 1996 21:28:01 GMT UNITED MUSLIM FORCES wrote in
> rec.radio.amateur.misc:
>
> >How can I find an amateur radio club near Dallas?
>
> Dallas (Texas, I assume) is a huge city, so finding one shouldn't be a
> problem.  If no one responds to your posting about a specific club,
> try your local Radio Shack for help.  Most times they have a listing
> of local clubs.  Beyond that, most people at Radio Shack are useless
> when it comes to Amateur Radio.  Most are not licensed, so they don't
> know anything more.

That's an understatement, Chuck.

You're lucky if a Radio Shack employee recognizes the words "resister" or
"diode."  I _do_ think that most of them know what a battery is, tho.

(I think Radio Shack has a lack-of-education requirement for hiring.  If
you know too much, you're outa there!  And what do they pay at Radio Shack,
anyway?  $3.25 per hour?!)

> 73, de Chuck
>
> 73, de Chuck Spafford
> [e-mail]

de Darvell (KE7GW)  ("In a Monday mood.")

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
     Salt Lake City, Utah


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bernice Peterson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Finding Amateur Radio Clubs
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:27:12 GMT
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UNITED MUSLIM FORCES wrote:

>How can I find an amateur radio club near Dallas?

>Thanks!

>Jay

If I had your e-mail address I'd try to find time to look in
my SAM database under Dallas for you.  There are
probably several listed.  If you want me to look then
e-mail me, as I seldom have time to browse this group.

N7MUC    e-mail:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Daniel M. Conti)
Subject: FS : ALINCO DR 130 T, 2 meter rig - $175.00 !
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ALINCO DR 130 T 2 meter mobile rig for sale, in box with all hardware,
mountng brackets, manual - MINT, ourchased 5/96, also includes the
optional PL decode board installed.

$175.00 plus shipping  charges.

E-Mail if interested
[e-mail]
Compuserve - 71242,1774        Amateur Radio - N2TYB
Ridgefield, New Jersey




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (dwh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: 1/2 INCH HARDLINE CONNECTORS
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 19:46:00 GMT
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For Sale,
  1/2 Inch Hardline Connectors, new in the package.  Type N connector.
Comes with silicon sealant, gaskets, connector, and instruction sheet.
Can be used on any 1/2 inch hardline to include Andrew.  Will also
come with a sheet of DB Products Vapor Seal Sealant.  Price is $25
each and I have two left.

Email [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (dwh)
Newsgroups: rec.video.satellite.tvro,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: C Band Feed Horn and 30 degree LNB Package
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 18:12:40 GMT
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For Sale,
  Complete electronics package.  C band Feed Horn and 30 degree LNB.
Good shape.  Get clearier pictures on your system.  $75 + Shipping for
the package.

email  [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (dwh)
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Subject: FS: C Band Feed Horn and 30 degree LNB Package
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 19:45:31 GMT
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For Sale,
  Complete electronics package.  C band Feed Horn and 30 degree LNB.
Good shape.  Get clearier pictures on your system.  $75 + Shipping for
the package.

email  [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:47 1996
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From: Chuck Penson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: Heathkit Technical Bulletins
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 09:48:09 -0600
Organization: Technology and Information Educational Services
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Heathkit Technical Bulletins
* Covers complete years: 1966 to 1979 (1977 missing).
* About 1000 pages on standard 4 x 6 microfiche.
* $20 plus $3 shipping.
* Satisfaction guaranteed.


Heathkit Technical Bulletins were the company's own private "Hints and
Kinks" publications distributed for use by Heath technicians around the
country. Technical Bulletins were compiled from notes by factory techs
as well as techs in Heathkit stores nationwide, and contain thousands of
fixes, modifications, and hints for kits spanning Heath's entire product
line. Everything from TV and stereo to ham gear and general products.

There are nearly 1000 pages of Technical Bulletins dating from 1966 to
1979. Note: 1977 is missing from this group but will be supplied free of
charge to those who purchase a set, if and when I discover a copy.)

This low-tech fiche format is inexpensive, reliable, and easy to use.
Fiche readers are cheap and plentiful.

If you need additional information please write or call.

Thanks!


--
Chuck Penson
WA7ZZE

[e-mail]
612.221.4510 voice
612.224.5092 fax
http://comped.sci.mus.mn.us

Standard Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are etc. etc. ...

"Nothing is too wonderful to be true" -- Michael Faraday


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:48 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: manuals/tubes/misc ham stuff
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:00:48 GMT
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I am posting for someone else.

FS:
QST:  1939, 1947, 1950s-1970s.
RCA TV svc manuals, other electronic svc manuals, tube books,
tubes (radio & tv), Bogen amp, Bendix transceiver, misc. ham and
electronic equipment.

David Zarin
301-942-0526




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CraigIvey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS: Yaesu FT-51RH Dual-Bander HT
Date: 27 Oct 1996 17:05:56 -0500
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For sale:

Yaesu FT-51R-HP  Dual-Band HT
2-meters/70-cm
5 watts on each band

Good to Excelent condition.  Comes with FNB-38 NiCad battery, wall
charger, rubber ducky antenna, belt clip, manual, and schematic.  LOADED
with features.  Less than 12 hours of use.

$450.00 (includes shipping)




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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:50 1996
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From: John Lee <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS:NEW YAESU BATTERYS & SPEAKER MIC
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 22:08:25 -0700
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FS:NEW YAESU BATTERYS & SPEAKER MIC
ALL BATTERY IS MAKE BY YAESU

FNB-31  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-38  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-40  $ 30 +SHIP
FNB-41  $ 30 +SHIP


NEW YAESU SPEAKER MIC

MH-12    $ 20 + SHIP


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brett Collins)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FT-900 Noise Blanker
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:41:05 GMT
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The noise blanker on my FT-900CAT has little if any effect on line
noise at my QTH. Anyone have a mod that works? I would rather see
what someeone else has done before I tear into a new $1300 rig.

thanks guys, Brett




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Healey)
Subject: FT50r: VC23 Headset's VOX
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Keywords: ft50r vox
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Hello,
I bought the VC23 Vox headset for the FT50r and although the PTT works fine,
the VOX unit is inop.
I took it back to HRO and we tried it on another 50r and no luck. HRO
broke out 2 other VC23s and no luck with the VOX on either radio. The
good folks at HRO refunded my money and will check with Yaesu.
Anyone know anything about this?
(Otherwise the FT50r is a great little radio!)
Steve


--
 [e-mail]  KF6GYP
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:53 1996
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From: ac6v <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FYI: Updated DX Reference Guide
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:02:05 -0700
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Some recent addition to the AC6V Reference Guide include links or info
to:

Beacons 1.8 MHz to 10 GHz!!; List of CQ Zones; Upcoming & past
DXpeditions; SSTV Pages; Top DXers Award; Added DX/Contest Clubs; Swan
Radio Manuals and Repair(see Mfgrs); USA AM & FM Data; Antique Radios
including the Boat Anchor Page, Collins Page, and an incredible page on
Telegragh Keys. Also don't miss the top CW speed awards on CW
Enthusiasts!

73
Rod in San Diego
--
AC6V DX Reference Page at:  http://www.netcom.com/~ac6v/index.html

Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:54 1996
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New on the DX Reference Page -- Links or Info To:
Upcoming and Past Dxpeditions, CW Op Aids, Gang-Busters CW Page, Spread
Spectrum, Microwave, APRS, SAREX, Hisory of Radio, History of Defense
Electronics (Radar & Avionics), Collins Radio Page, Telegraph Keys, Ham
Exams and much more.

73
Rod in San Diego
--
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Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:56 1996
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From: Chuck Hallett <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Gate Two Day One ready?
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 06:43:57 -0500
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Dave Booth wrote:
>
> Check my page for daily updated calls from the FCC!!!!
> http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860/
>
> Thanks Dave Booth kc6wfs
>
> terry murphy ab4vj wrote:
> >
> > Thomas J. Alessi wrote:
> > >
> > > In <54bj1c$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Mitchell) writes:
> > > >
> > > >Had a report from a ham who called FCC on Friday, 10-18. The word is  t
hat
> > > >day one callsigns will be mailed out on Monday,10-21.  Still nothing on
> > > >the servers I monitor...
> > >
> > > Another false alarm.  Day 30 and counting....
> > >
> > > Tom
> > The Word according to Glady's today at 3:30pm is:
> > "The Gate 2 Day 1 calls will be issued sometime next week"
> > 73 de ab4vj
> > hoping for W4TM

I've been watching (and waiting) this thread with interest for a couple
of weeks now; after getting up very early each morning and checking the
UALR site and seeing my same call listed.

What struck me this morning is that I haven't had this much anticipation
about ham radio since mid-July of 1965 after passing my novice exam and
watching my Elmer put it in the mailbox.  Being twelve years old at the
time, I checked my mail daily until the license appeared in early
October with two weeks of my one year non-renewable licensing period
already expired.  I think that kind of puts "instant gratification"
desires in perspective!

Chuck ai3o -> ???


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:56 1996
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From: sucker <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Great, Its about time!
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:08:57 -0500
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To: Bruce Perens AB6YM <[e-mail]>
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Bruce Perens AB6YM wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, the omnibus budget bill recently signed into law contained
> a reallocation of our 2305-2310 MHz band, to be sold to the highest bidder.
> FCC and ARRL were not consulted.
======================================================================

Great!

There are only 660,000 or so hams in the United States.  This money
making spectrum should not be given away to just a few.  If the ARRL and
the hams want the space let them bid on it.  If the pro CW'ers  who are
bent on code got together they could pay to  have a code only spectrum.
Lets just see how bad the ARRL and hams in general want this specturm.
Like the old line says, "Money talks, Bull**** walks".


--
Sorry I like analog video.  It has a better sample rate.
mailto:[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Finn)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Great, Its about time!
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 20:49:57 GMT
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sucker <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Bruce Perens AB6YM wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately, the omnibus budget bill recently signed into law contained
>> a reallocation of our 2305-2310 MHz band, to be sold to the highest bidder.
>> FCC and ARRL were not consulted.
>======================================================================

>Great!

>There are only 660,000 or so hams in the United States.  This money
>making spectrum should not be given away to just a few.  If the ARRL and
>the hams want the space let them bid on it.

Sure,  poncho. Let's put the whole thing up for grabs because the
polititians need to make some one-time-only sales to balance the
budget. You are a true free marketeer. Next we can auction of the
national parks and forests. After your local police and fire
departments "bid" on their pieces of spectrum, they can raise your
taxes to pay for it.

> If the pro CW'ers  who are
>bent on code got together they could pay to  have a code only spectrum.
>Lets just see how bad the ARRL and hams in general want this specturm.
>Like the old line says, "Money talks, Bull**** walks".

We should bid on all those VHF/UHF frequencies? Line of sight CW? Or
are you saying that the FCC should auction the international HF bands
as well. Every hear of the ITU and international treaties governing
use of those frequencies?  Either way, I come up with nothing on this
one. Perhaps a little research would help before writing such inane
comments?  To use your enlightened expression,  Bull**** walks.

Do you have a callsign or did you just emerge from under your bridge?

73

KR4AJ



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The Ham Radio & More Show will be broadcast live again beginning this
sunday, November 3, 1996, on WWCR Shortwave. The show airs live each
sunday at 2300utc, 6:00pm, Eastern Time, on 5.070mhz.
This is in addition to the live broadcast available on RealAudio via
the Internet, courtesy of KBNP in Portland Oregon, as well as live on
many local radio stations throughout the country.
Please see below for more info.

*******WE WILL BE GIVING AWAY FREE PRIZES FROM LARSEN ANTENNAS, MFJ
ENTERPRISES, WORLD RADIO MAGAZINE, AMATEUR RADIO TRADER MAGAZINE, and
MORE to ALL callers this sunday to celebrate*******


Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                         [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219                  ARIZONA ARRL PIC

Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html  (Home Page) (Thanks BARC)
http://www.tapr.org/hrm  (RealAudio site to hear past shows) (Thanks TAPR)

The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
(2300utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 5.070mhz.
ALSO: LIVE on RealAudio at: http://www.AudioNet.com/radio/business/kbnp (Thank
s KBNP)

Also available tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays,
at 1000utc on 3.210mhz.

Support "WOG", the Written Only General!



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:48:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Ham Radio.FAQ
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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                  Announcing NEW Ham Radio.FAQ

This file started as a regular USENET posting called "rec.radio.amateur
.misc Frequently Asked Questions".

The evolving file was distributed far and wide thanks to passionate
contributors. The file was abandoned in 1994 and has been resurrected
now on the WWW for currency and convenience.

Ham Radio.FAQ contains 3 chapters and many, many links to radio
related sites!

1 - Introduction to the Ham Radio.FAQ
2 - Amateur Radio Organizations, Services, and Data Sources
3 - Amateur Radio Advanced and Technical Questions

Please provide a copy of the Ham Radio.FAQ to any new or soon-to-be Hams
that you know or share with them the URL to this site:

              http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeremy Craigs)
Subject: HAM?? Shortwave??? HELP! Drowning newbie!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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I am interested but I dont know where to start.
Where can I get FAQ's etc.?

--
Jeremy Craigs  [e-mail]
Ask me no questions, I'll tell you no lies.

And now, for something completely different...


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM?? Shortwave??? HELP! Drowning newbie!
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:35:42 -0500
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Jeremy Craigs wrote:

> I am interested but I dont know where to start.
> Where can I get FAQ's etc.?

Start with the American Radio Relay League, the national ham organization
here in the US. They have tons of information on becomming a ham. Their
web site is www.arrl.org.

Mike, N4PDY

--
[e-mail]

My opinions are my own, not my employer's.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM?? Shortwave??? HELP! Drowning newbie!
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:46:26 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeremy Craigs) wrote:
>I am interested but I dont know where to start.
>Where can I get FAQ's etc.?

  You listed both "ham" and "shortwave"...

  If you want to *just* listen, to hams, to international broadcast
stations (like the BBC, Voice of America, Voice of Russia-- formerly Radio
Moscow, Radio Netherlands, etc.) you don't need a license.  Good info on
this part of the radio hobby can be found on rec.radio.shortwave and in its
FAQ.

  If you want to TRANSMIT, a license is required.  From your address, I
assume you're in Canada.  The American Radio Relay League's web site may be
able to answer some questions, but the licensing procedures are different
in Canada.  I'm not sure if the Canadian Radio Relay League (and if I
remember correctly, it is called that) has a web site, but you might try a
search for it.

  There is also an organization called the Ontario DX Association that is
for both "hams" and "shortwave listeners".  I don't have their address at
hand, but you might ask at a local radio store.  If you can't get it,
e-mail me back, and I'll dig it out for you.  I'm about 99% sure that they
*don't* have a web site, because I searched for it recently.

========= Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ==========
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU ex-WB4LHI) |  "Computer users will need a
Engineer/Writer/Nerd Extraordinaire |  mouse when they grow a
Chairman, Tar Heel Scanner/SWL Group|  third arm." -Pres of WordStar
ARRL Life; QCWA;Raleigh ARS;NRA; AEE|                   circa 1983
==== [e-mail] ==== [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]====




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:04 1996
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From: "Tom Carrubba" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: HAMFEST, Lindenhurst, LI   OCT 27
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:31:06 GMT
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GSBARC HAMFEST Oct 27,1996

Sunday Oct 27,1996                                       9am-4pm

                 Great South Bay Amateur Radio Club
                        HAMFEST / COMPUTER SHOW

                               AT

                   The Knights of Columbus Hall
                   400 South Broadway
                   Lindenhurst, NY

General admission: $5.00

                        ARRL APPROVED HAMFEST

All In-Doors. Eighty (85!) tables. Featured items will be:

Computers and accessories, Software.
Books - Technical manuals
Radio equipment, Electronic components,
ARRL Information, Forums, VE Exams(12 Noon),
Flea Market.

Vendor information:
Tables (2.5' X 8') $15.00 advanced payment, $20.00 at the hamfest door.
Each space admits one person. Additional personal $5.00. No tables
reserved unless prepaid. Limited electricity available.  .
Doors open for sellers at 7:30am.

Food service provided during Hamfest by members of the Knight of
Columbus Council.

Directions:

Southern State Parkway -Exit 35 (WELLWOOD AVE.) SOUTH, crossover
NY 27 (SUNRISE HWY). Continue SOUTH to south side of RAILROAD,
make RIGHT onto HOFFMAN AVE. Continue WEST 3 blocks to SOUTH
BROADWAY, turn LEFT. Go past traffic light 2 BLOCKS.
Knights of Columbus Hall is the LEFT SIDE of street.

Sunrise Highway (NY 27) -to WELLWOOD AVE. Go SOUTH, follow directions
as above.

Montauk Hwy (Merrick Rd.) - Direct to SOUTH BROADWAY, 3 blocks WEST
of WELLWOOD AVE.

Talk in on WB2FKZ/R 146.685 (PL 4Z - 136.5 Hz)  and 223.86 (Open Carrier)

Additional info: Telephone evenings only! (7pm-10pm):
Walt Wenzel, KA2RGI [phone]
Lou Meister, N2YBX [phone]

Visit GSBARC ONLINE - http://www.li.net/~tomcar/gsbarc.htm


73
Tom Carrubba KA2DFO
President, GSBARC




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hams Need to Develop Better Communications Technology
Date: 28 Oct 1996 16:58:28 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        John D. Seney, WD1V, <[e-mail]> wrote:

>So my premise is that for amateur radio to really grow and not die,
>it must, as a hobby, have functional communication capabilities that
>are SUPERIOR to what Hobbyist/Commercial Services currently use.

The problem with your scenarios is that computers != amateur radio.
Amateur radio is about communications. Computer systems are not.
Amateur radio is not going to replace the Internet. Never will.
If that is your goal, you might as well give it up now, 'cuz it is
never going to happen.


>This was the drawing card that started it all and its the one that is
>lacking now. Without it, we are pushing a covered wagon along a freeway
>and the traffic is going to run us over. We can only keep what we have
>if we invest in things better than what we own.

50 years ago radio was technology. HF communications was "hi-tech".
Today, it is passe. Computers have replaced the HF communication rigs
of 50 years ago.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Atkinson)
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Subject: Re: Hams Need to Develop Better Communications Technology
Date: 29 Oct 1996 03:41:16 GMT
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Michael P. Deignan ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
:       John D. Seney, WD1V, <[e-mail]> wrote:
:
: >So my premise is that for amateur radio to really grow and not die,
: >it must, as a hobby, have functional communication capabilities that
: >are SUPERIOR to what Hobbyist/Commercial Services currently use.
:
: The problem with your scenarios is that computers != amateur radio.
: Amateur radio is about communications. Computer systems are not.

I guess nobody every told you, in the 1990's and beyond
ham radio = computers. Computer networking is basically communications.
Is wireless networking not radio then because it's computers?  If/when
ham radios start digitizing your voice and your HT or mobile rig transmits
it digitally so a computer on the remote end can process it and decide
whether to retransmit it on the same repeater or send it to a remote
one instead, then it's hard to say ham radio != computers.  Basically
what I said is exactly what many commercial and law enforcement
agencies are doing already. Notice how in many areas now you can't use
a scanner to listen to your local police officer talk on their radio
because it transmits data instead of FM voice?

To be honest though, I doubt ham radio will ever get to the point of
modern technology, too many people won't change and it'll stay the
way it is, or it'll just start to fade away and be forgetten about....

: MD

Ron



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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Heath SB-1400 / Yaesu FT 747 GX  modifications
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I own the heath SB-1400 transceiver, and wonder if there are any known
mods for this rig.  Any help is greatly appreciated!

73,

Chuck
N8DRF



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Walker)
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Subject: Heathkit Parts?
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I recently purchased two 60 drawer parts cabinets at a hamfest.
The cabinets are full of electronic parts, most of which I can
identify. A few drawers were marked "Heath Parts" and have some
discrete and dip parts with designations like "417 283". So
can anyone tell me:

- are they Heathkit parts (i.e. "417 XXX labeled parts)
- is a cross reference available (with Industry standard equilvalents)
- is anyone interested in buying these for modest $(I can take an inventory)

73, John - KF2XZ
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:09 1996
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From: William R Liporace <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help w/ TH-78A
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:09:07 -0500
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I have a TH-78A with a tuning knob problem on the 440 side.  The squelch
is fine but the tuning part does not work.  Any ideas, help or
suggestions would be helpful.
TNX Will KB2HUN

William Liporace KB2HUN          [e-mail]
763 Huntingdon Drive             KB2HUN @ K2TR (yccc packet cluster)
Niskayuna, NY 12309              KB2HUN @ WA2PVV (NEDA)
518-346-3804 home                518-471-2837 work



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:10 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Help with the Kenwood MC-53 mic.
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 17:29:13 -0700
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I use this mic on my 742 and when I program a DTMF tone for the
repeater, I can never hear the function complete telemetry because the
mic has some kind of delay built in and I was wondering if anyone knew
how to disable this delay. Thanks alot......KC6FUA/RAY


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Phil Sikes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help: B&W VS1500A Tuner
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 07:31:47 GMT
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Hello to all. My B&W VS1500 tuner has a problem with the vernier
drives on the tuning caps. Both slip when you first try to turn them.
Any ideas? I am also looking for a copy of the owners manual for the
unit. Please email direct.

TNX es 73 - Phil
KJ7NS


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:12 1996
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From: "A Redshirt" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: HELP: Yaesu FT-708 R
Date: 22 Oct 1996 14:58:23 GMT
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You wrote:

Siegfried Rambaum <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...

> I have a Yaesu FT-708 R, which I brought home to the USA from
Germany.
> Unfortunately, on the front panel, the labeling for the three
switches
> below the keypad has fallen off, and I wonder, what these
switches might
> be good for.
>
> I also would need to come by to an operations manual for this
rig.
>
> Thank you for any response in this respect
>
> Siegfried (KB2YVC, DC/KB2YVC, DE8FGO)
>
Well, lemme see here [as he adjusts his head so the
sunlight doesn't blind him as it reflects off of his trusty
bi-focals...]

The switch on the left (or Driver's Side here in the People's
Republic of California) locks out the keypad from fumbling
fingers when whisking the radio up to your ear to see if that
last call was for you.

The switch in the center, the little three position jewel,
has to do with how/where the radio stops when in the
"scan" mode.  Left-most will stop on "clear" channels,
center position causes it to stop on "manual", what the
hell ever _that_ is supposed to be good for, and right-most
position will stop when it detects a "busy" channel.

"Busy" or "clear", as used in the aboce context seem to
be pretty much the same as squelch open or closed.

The little switch on the right (Passenger's Side here in
the People's Republic of California - "Bed and Breakfast
for ALL!") sets the frequency step for the scanner - leftmost
for 25 KC steps, and rightmost for 50 KC steps.

Best of luck.

de John
Rocklin, CA
--



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (JHALE00659)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help:repeater from 2 Maxtrac mobiles
Date: 22 Oct 1996 00:08:00 -0400
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     Anyone with information on linking two UHF Maxtrac mobile radios so
they will operate as a repeater.  I appreciate any info. or
recommendations on a repeater controller which will require minimal
intrusion into the radio.  I have a sufficient power supply and cabinet
but I'm not quite sure if the radios can be used as a repeater with
minimal or no modifications.


Thanks,  John KA4WKS
E-Mail: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Andrew C Robertson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Historical callsign database?
Date: 24 Oct 1996 15:59:37 GMT
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Is there such a thing?  Seems like a good idea to me, especially with the
vanity call system.  It'd be nice to be able to look up who held a certain
call previously, see the history of a callsign, etc.  Also, it would be fun
to be able to see a particular person's complete ham history...a database
with *all* previously held callsigns, rather than just those held in
uninterrupted sequence.  (For instance, my records show that I was
previously N1QHF (briefly), but a historical database would also show
that I was WB1AFX back in the late 70's, and that there was a license lapse.)

Is there a database like this?  Is anyone working on one?  Probably too
much work...

[e-mail]    Andrew    aa1hx (for now)


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Historical callsign database?
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Andrew C Robertson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Is there such a thing?  Seems like a good idea to me, especially with the
: vanity call system.  It'd be nice to be able to look up who held a certain
: call previously, see the history of a callsign, etc.  Also, it would be fun
: to be able to see a particular person's complete ham history...a database
: with *all* previously held callsigns, rather than just those held in
: uninterrupted sequence.  (For instance, my records show that I was
: previously N1QHF (briefly), but a historical database would also show
: that I was WB1AFX back in the late 70's, and that there was a license lapse.
)

: Is there a database like this?  Is anyone working on one?  Probably too
: much work...

Not that I'm aware of, but it would be nice.

If you look at the callsign servers at UALR, QRZ! or Buckmaster, they give
the same info that's on the FCC database, as far as the *last* prior
callsign held.

For instance, if you look up KF6CR, you'll see that I was previously WA8RWL.
Problem is, if I change to an AC6xx callsign when I pass the Extra code, the
WA8RWL callsign will disappear.  In other words, there is only one bucket on
their database for previous callsign.

73 de Jim - KF6CR







From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:15 1996
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From: nobody@nowhere
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Hello!

A friend of mine who is traveling/working in Africa has requested my
assistance. He has a Kenwood TS-50 radio and is trying to find a way to
communicate with home - Seattle WA. He would like to be able to send E-mail
from Zambia via the HF radio if possible. Is there any - fairly easy - way to
accomplish this? He is not yet an expert in HAM radio. What kinf of equipment
would be necessary? Could the TS-50 be used to accomplish this? Any comments
or suggestions much appreciated!

John

[e-mail]
KE6JWU
Glendale, CA USA



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:16 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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You are a Ham Radio Operator if...

 ... when you're at a restaurant and the waitress asks you if you would
 like a refill of your drink and you say, "Q-AS-AL".
 .. when you overhear two secretaries from your department talking about
you
 in the ladies' room because the vents are connected to the men's room
and you
 approach one of them and say, "I couldn't help but overhear your
'traffic'."
 ... you're doing your day job as a DJ of a 100,000 watt FM commercial
 radio station and at the top of the hour you say something along the
 line's of "The best music of yesterday and tomorrow, KB8GYS
Cincinnati."
 ...you get into auto accidents while passing through new parts of the
country
 looking to see what kinds of antennas people have on top of their
houses.
 ... your XYL, who is still 130 lb. and tremendously attractive comes
 to you in a hot pink, topless teddy and starts nibbling on your
 shoulder and you tell her to hang on for a minute because you're
 just about to make that contact with East Molohavnia.
 ... when your club's repeater and the TV station that you work for
 are in the same building and are damaged by a hurricaine and you
 go up and fix the repeater BEFORE you fix the television station.

 This joke was sent by John, KB8GYS



--
#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
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If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:17 1996
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From: Mark White <[e-mail]>
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Greetings to all!
I am trying to find a Mod to a Radio Shack HTX-212 which will allow me to
do one or both of the following:

I would like to be able to use it on an emergency/natural disaster
frequency of 155 something-or-other MHZ. (transmitting I mean :> )

I would also like to be able to program the local NOAA weather stations
into the memory, its current state only allows ham freqs to be stored
(144-148), even though the VFO will tune higher.

Any advice on this would be much appreciated!

                                          TNX & 73's  N9OHS
                                              Mark White



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:18 1996
From: [e-mail] (Sam Cederas)
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On 30 Oct 1996 02:39:19 GMT, Mark White <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Greetings to all!
>I am trying to find a Mod to a Radio Shack HTX-212 which will allow me to
>do one or both of the following:
>
>I would like to be able to use it on an emergency/natural disaster
>frequency of 155 something-or-other MHZ. (transmitting I mean :> )
>
>I would also like to be able to program the local NOAA weather stations
>into the memory, its current state only allows ham freqs to be stored
>(144-148), even though the VFO will tune higher.
>
>Any advice on this would be much appreciated!
>
>                                          TNX & 73's  N9OHS
>                                              Mark White
>

        ADVISE:

                Take the radio back and spend the money on a real
radio.  Kenwood, Icom, Yaesu, etc.  Get your money's worth ....Radio
Shack sure got your moneys worth.





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I desire have news on contingent modifications for can increase the
[efficenza dell] new ICOM 706
Thanks.
Emiddio Sodano
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:20 1996
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Emiddio ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I desire have news on contingent modifications for can increase the
: [efficenza dell] new ICOM 706

Too light for a boatanchor. Add a few bricks.
That's the main problem with all this newfangled equipment. Too light.
And too small, too! I believe they should charge by the pound for radio
equipment. Much more equitable.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:21 1996
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paz <[e-mail]> wrote in article <[e-mail]>...
> Emiddio ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : I desire have news on contingent modifications for can increase the
> : [efficenza dell] new ICOM 706
>
> Too light for a boatanchor. Add a few bricks.
> That's the main problem with all this newfangled equipment. Too light.
> And too small, too! I believe they should charge by the pound for radio
> equipment. Much more equitable.
>

Ck the list of Icom mods at

http://oak.oakland.edu:8080/pub/hamradio/mods/icom/

Several are listed for the 706

Joe


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (mtm2)
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Does anyone know if/how you can modify the ICOM Z-1A/C so that when it
powers up, instead if "ICOM", it will display something else, such as
my name?
Thanks in advance,
[e-mail]  KB9OSH
Michael T. McAndrews, Jr.
KB9OSH
E-Mail : [e-mail]
Home Page: http://www.iquest.net/~michaelm



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Hi.

   I have a friend who swears up and down that the length of the
coaxial cable to maintain resonance at a given frequency is important
for reducing the SWR.  He feels that it acts in a similar principal to
the fact that the elements of an antenna must be cut to the correct
length for the antenna to be resonant at a given frequency.

   It seems to me I have also read somewhere that this is a myth.  I
need the true scoop on this.  I'm preparing to put up a pretty good
antenna system on my roof (a homebrew 10 meter antenna cut to exactly
the middle of the band), and don't want to purchase an extra 6 ft of
Belden 9913 coax only to have it looped up and losing signal, when in
reality I could of used 20 feet instead of 26 feet of cable.

   Please carbon copy any responses to this post to [e-mail]
so I don't miss any good info.

                        Thanks

                            Jim



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Potter)
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Subject: Re: Importance of coax length on HF   A myth?
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[e-mail] (James Pollock) wrote:

>Hi.
>
>   I have a friend who swears up and down that the length of the
>coaxial cable to maintain resonance at a given frequency is important
>for reducing the SWR.  He feels that it acts in a similar principal to
>the fact that the elements of an antenna must be cut to the correct
>length for the antenna to be resonant at a given frequency.
>
>   It seems to me I have also read somewhere that this is a myth.  I
>need the true scoop on this.  I'm preparing to put up a pretty good
>antenna system on my roof (a homebrew 10 meter antenna cut to exactly
>the middle of the band), and don't want to purchase an extra 6 ft of
>Belden 9913 coax only to have it looped up and losing signal, when in
>reality I could of used 20 feet instead of 26 feet of cable.
>
>   Please carbon copy any responses to this post to [e-mail]
>so I don't miss any good info.
>
>                       Thanks
>
>                            Jim
>
The length of coax doesn't change the VSWR, assuming it's all the same
impedance. However, the impedance at the transmitter output will be a
function of cable length if the VSWR is not 1:1.  Ultimately what
matters is not the VSWR, but the impedance match to the transmitter.
All that is required is a conjugate match so that the transmitter sees
a resistive load of the right resistance at the output device.

There is one way that the coax length affects VSWT. If the attenuation
is high the VSWR gets better with length. Someone once said a good low
power load for 144 MHz is 100 ft of RG-58. It doesn't matter too much
what's on the far end.

de K9GXC, Jim


James M. Potter, President              TEL: [phone]
JP Accelerator Works, Inc.              FAX: [phone]
2245 47th Street                        EMAIL: [e-mail]
Los Alamos, NM 87544-1604               URL: http://www.jpaw.com



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dick Hughes)
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On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:07:27 GMT, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
wrote:

>In article <54nc7a$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Pollock) wri
tes:
>>   I have a friend who swears up and down that the length of the
>>coaxial cable to maintain resonance at a given frequency is important
>>for reducing the SWR.  He feels that it acts in a similar principal to
>>the fact that the elements of an antenna must be cut to the correct
>>length for the antenna to be resonant at a given frequency.
>>
>>   It seems to me I have also read somewhere that this is a myth.  I
>>need the true scoop on this.  I'm preparing to put up a pretty good
>>antenna system on my roof (a homebrew 10 meter antenna cut to exactly
>>the middle of the band), and don't want to purchase an extra 6 ft of
>>Belden 9913 coax only to have it looped up and losing signal, when in
>>reality I could of used 20 feet instead of 26 feet of cable.
>
>Ok, this can get complex because there are several interrelated
>things happening here. Lets take them one at a time.
>
>The only thing that determines SWR on a transmission line is
>the ratio of the characteristic impedance of the line to the
>impedance presented by *the load*. Nothing you can do at the
>generator end can affect SWR, and changing the length of the
>cable won't change SWR either (but see below).

<huge snip>

>Gary

In general, the correct length of coax for an HF antenna is the
distance it takes to get from the transmitter to the antenna.  Don't
worry about length.

Dick Hughes - W6CCD



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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
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Steve Bramham wrote:
> I know what works and it works in 99% of the cases involved.....

Hey Steve, be fair - tell us about that other 1%.

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Potter)
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>So you can see, there is some truth to the myth that coax length
>can alter SWR, but it isn't quite the way many amateurs picture
>it. The reason it can happen is because the coax has become an
>unintended part of the antenna due to a failure to properly deal
>with the unbalanced to balanced connection at the antenna feedpoint
>with a balun.
>
>Gary


Good point, Gary. I hadn't thought of that, but it makes a lot of
sense. Most of the systems I deal with have a resonant cavity load fed
with rigid coax where there is no chance of any rf currents on the
outside. (A good thing too, at 250 kW peak and 425 MHz.)

de K9GXC, Jim


James M. Potter, President              TEL: [phone]
JP Accelerator Works, Inc.              FAX: [phone]
2245 47th Street                        EMAIL: [e-mail]
Los Alamos, NM 87544-1604               URL: http://www.jpaw.com



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:28 1996
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> In general, the correct length of coax for an HF antenna is the
> distance it takes to get from the transmitter to the antenna.  Don't
> worry about length.
>
> Dick Hughes - W6CCD

That is a damn good answer and works in 99.99%, the rest is fiction.

42 years of hamming SM0BKZ


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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Potter) writes:
>[e-mail] (James Pollock) wrote:
>
>>Hi.
>>
>>   I have a friend who swears up and down that the length of the
>>coaxial cable to maintain resonance at a given frequency is important
>>for reducing the SWR.  He feels that it acts in a similar principal to
>>the fact that the elements of an antenna must be cut to the correct
>>length for the antenna to be resonant at a given frequency.
>>
>>   It seems to me I have also read somewhere that this is a myth.  I
>>need the true scoop on this.  I'm preparing to put up a pretty good
>>antenna system on my roof (a homebrew 10 meter antenna cut to exactly
>>the middle of the band), and don't want to purchase an extra 6 ft of
>>Belden 9913 coax only to have it looped up and losing signal, when in
>>reality I could of used 20 feet instead of 26 feet of cable.
>>
>>   Please carbon copy any responses to this post to [e-mail]
>>so I don't miss any good info.
>>
>>                      Thanks
>>
>>                            Jim
>>
>The length of coax doesn't change the VSWR, assuming it's all the same
>impedance. However, the impedance at the transmitter output will be a
>function of cable length if the VSWR is not 1:1.  Ultimately what
>matters is not the VSWR, but the impedance match to the transmitter.
>All that is required is a conjugate match so that the transmitter sees
>a resistive load of the right resistance at the output device.
>
>There is one way that the coax length affects VSWT. If the attenuation
>is high the VSWR gets better with length. Someone once said a good low
>power load for 144 MHz is 100 ft of RG-58. It doesn't matter too much
>what's on the far end.
>
>de K9GXC, Jim
>
>
>James M. Potter, President             TEL: [phone]
>JP Accelerator Works, Inc.             FAX: [phone]
>2245 47th Street                               EMAIL: [e-mail]
>Los Alamos, NM 87544-1604              URL: http://www.jpaw.com
>


 Well,
 Let's if I can do this reply. Yes, It's a myth! The only thing that's changin
g is the
 APPARENT XL-XC that the METER is seeing. We all know that the Electrical
 wavelength recurrs at a different distance than the phusical wavelength. The
old
 velocity factor trick affects that (cheaper coax = lower VF). So, the loss is

 cumulative to the length, the SWR associated with the coax = myth.

 If you want to play with the numbers of length, coax type, swr, ant gain, and
 effective power. Download TEEREV.ZIP from the ARRL BBS, or it's on the latest
 level of the QRZ CD-ROM.

                                                          Jim WD9AHF

 P.S. I agree with the guy who said the correct length is what reaches! Just m
ake
 sure that you look at what it costs. I wrote that TEEREV program to see what
 the tradeoff was between good coax vs an amplifier. You will be surprised at
 what the cost of 'cheap' coax is.



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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
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Joel Gamble wrote:
>    The ONLY time coax length makes a difference is when it is radiating
> rf,thus it becomes an active part of the antenna,instead of the passive
> conduit it is designed to be.

Hi Joel, got to nitpick a tad.

1. 100ft of RG-58 on 440MHz with an SWR of 1:1 and *no feedline radiation*
does make a difference.

2. 100ft of RG-58 on 28MHz with an SWR of 20:1 and *no feedline radiation*
does make a difference.

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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[e-mail] (James Pollock) wrote:

>Hi.

>   I have a friend who swears up and down that the length of the
>coaxial cable to maintain resonance at a given frequency is important
>for reducing the SWR.  He feels that it acts in a similar principal to
>the fact that the elements of an antenna must be cut to the correct
>length for the antenna to be resonant at a given frequency.

>   It seems to me I have also read somewhere that this is a myth.  I
>need the true scoop on this.  I'm preparing to put up a pretty good
>antenna system on my roof (a homebrew 10 meter antenna cut to exactly
>the middle of the band), and don't want to purchase an extra 6 ft of
>Belden 9913 coax only to have it looped up and losing signal, when in
>reality I could of used 20 feet instead of 26 feet of cable.

Jim
If the coax is matched (ie the load presents a resistive, 50 Ohm
impedance) then the length of the coax is unimportant, except that it
has loss depending on how good it is and the operating frequency. If
the load is not matched properly then there will be different
impedances at different  points aliong the coax and you will get a
different SWR with a 50 ohm source, depending on where you feed the
coax. So your friend is correct if the load is not m,atched
accurately.

Richard Hosking

VK6BRO
[e-mail]
http://www.iinet.net.au/~richardh



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Potter)
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[e-mail] (Roy Lewallen) wrote:


>There's one more way that cable length can affect VSWR. If common-mode
>current is present (that is, current is flowing on the outside of coax, or
>the currents in twinlead aren't equal and opposite), the feedline becomes
>part of the antenna. In that situation, changing the length of the feedline
>changes the antenna itself, which will affect VSWR.
>
>VSWR can seem to change with cable length if the characteristic impedance
>of the VSWR meter isn't the same as that of the cable. I've measured RG-58
>at over 60 ohms Z0, and a couple of cheap SWR meters I've looked at were
>off also, so I imagine this is a fairly common occurrence. In this case,
>the SWR doesn't really change with feedline length, but the SWR meter says
>it does.
>
>Roy Lewallen, W7EL

I agree with your comment on common mode currents. Also, with your
comment about the directional coupler. What it really amounts to is
that if the coupler has poor directivity (equivalent to not being
balanced for the impedance of the cable being used), some of the
forward wave is coupled into the reflected port. The resultant
apparent reflected signal depends on the relative phases of the
forward and reflected power and thus on the position of the coupler in
the standing wave. This phenomenon can also make the VSWR look better
than it really is if the two waves tend to cancel.

This discussion is a good example of the Internet at work. It's nice
to see that the ham radio newsgroup generally seems to be populated by
considerate people and not the nutcakes that wase bandwidth on a
couple of other newsgroups I follow.

73 de K9GXC, Jim


James M. Potter, President              TEL: [phone]
JP Accelerator Works, Inc.              FAX: [phone]
2245 47th Street                        EMAIL: [e-mail]
Los Alamos, NM 87544-1604               URL: http://www.jpaw.com



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Cecil Moore <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Joel Gamble wrote:
>>    The ONLY time coax length makes a difference is when it is radiating
>> rf,thus it becomes an active part of the antenna,instead of the passive
>> conduit it is designed to be.

>Hi Joel, got to nitpick a tad.

>1. 100ft of RG-58 on 440MHz with an SWR of 1:1 and *no feedline radiation*
>does make a difference.

Your right, I'd much rather have 75 ohm 1" hardline WITH VSWR than 50
ohm RG-58 at 450 Mhz.

>2. 100ft of RG-58 on 28MHz with an SWR of 20:1 and *no feedline radiation*
>does make a difference.

Again I'd rather have 75 ohm cable TV hardline .5" than RG-58.
Cecil is right, the general rule is get what you can for the lowest
loss.  Hgh VSWR adds a LOT of loss to an already losssy cable.

>73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

Tom
WA1RHP
Net Elmer
I am my own employer!




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In article <54rg26$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Jim
>If the coax is matched (ie the load presents a resistive, 50 Ohm
>impedance) then the length of the coax is unimportant, except that it
>has loss depending on how good it is and the operating frequency. If
>the load is not matched properly then there will be different
>impedances at different  points aliong the coax and you will get a
>different SWR with a 50 ohm source, depending on where you feed the
>coax. So your friend is correct if the load is not m,atched
>accurately.

No, the SWR is constant, and is a function of the mismatch at the
load end only. That constant SWR is what causes the presented
impedance variation along the line (due to transmission line
transformer action). If you insert the SWR meter anywhere along
the line, it will read the same SWR (discounting line loss). A
SWR meter reads SWR, not impedance.

Internally, a SWR meter is a 50 ohm line section, so it merely
acts as a short extension to the cable being measured. (If you
try to measure 75 ohm line with a 50 ohm SWR meter, however,
you'll be in for some surprises.)

Conversely, if you have an operating impedance bridge, you can
measure the impedance at any point along the line, and given
that, the cable length from the load to that point, and a Smith
Chart, you can determine the SWR on the line (discounting line
loss).

Now if the line has loss, and all real lines do, then you have
to add a fourth variable, and the system becomes more complex.
Instead of a constant SWR circle on the Smith Chart, now you have
to follow a SWR spiral which approaches 1:1 as cable length tends
toward infinity. The approach is asymptotic, and if cable loss is
high, will quickly approach 1:1, but never quite reaches 1:1. If
loss is low, the approach will be very gradual, and for moderate
line lengths can be assumed to be a constant SWR circle.

(Incidently, this is a convienent way to measure line loss,
just place a short or open at the load end of the cable and
read the SWR at the source end, the closer to 1:1 it is, the
higher the cable loss. There's a formula in the Handbook which
will give you the exact loss in db for a given SWR and line
length.)

For moderate lengths of good cable at HF (good cable, not RG-58),
cable loss can be discounted and the SWR circle can be assumed
nearly constant. At VHF+ however, even with good cables loss may
become significant when the length exceeds several wavelengths
and must be considered when analyzing line behavior.

This means that a low SWR is not necessarily a good thing. It
can indicate a lossy system rather than indicating a good match.
One way to differentiate is to look at the SWR curve over a band
of frequencies. If it is broad and flat, the cable is probably
lossy (or you have a dummy load for a termination). Real antennas
are typically only close to design impedance over a narrow frequency
range (typically less than 5% around the design frequency), so the
SWR curve should quickly rise as it moves away from the center
frequency of that range. Anyone who says he has a broad flat SWR
is probably really telling you he has a pretty good dummy load
for an antenna system.

(Note there are exceptions, antennas such as discones and log
periodics present a near constant impedance over a large frequency
excursion. But in general a low antenna system Q is indicative of
low efficiency and high loss, IE the behavior of a dummy load.)

Gary
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ARRL currently has a program under development which analyzes transmission
line.  I'm fortunate to have been asked to play with an early copy.
Running some quick examples shows the following:

At 28 MHz an antenna with a purely resistive load of 50 ohms fed with 100
feet of RG213 has a loss of 1.181 dB.  There is no additional loss due to
SWR.

The same antenna fed with 100 feed of 1/2 inch 75 ohm hard line has a loss
of .420 dB due to the cable and an additional .032 dB due to the SWR for a
total loss of .452 dB.

An antenna with a purely resistive load of 500 ohms (10/1 SWR) fed with
RG213 has a loss of 1.181 due to the cable and an additional 2.702 dB due
to the SWR for a total loss of 3.883 dB.

The same antenna fed with 1/2 inch  75 ohm hard line has a loss of .420 DB
due to the cable and an additional .032 dB due to SWR for a total loss of
452 dB.

Incidentally, I chose purely resistive loads just to simplify things.  The
program works with complex loads as well.  If anyone would like a specific
calculation you can eMail me.  All that is needed is the type cable, the
length of the cable, the frequency and the load, (resistive and
inductive).

Regards, Merv



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From: altavoz <[e-mail]>
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James Pollock wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
>    I have a friend who swears up and down that the length of the
> coaxial cable to maintain resonance at a given frequency is important
> for reducing the SWR.  He feels that it acts in a similar principal to
> the fact that the elements of an antenna must be cut to the correct
> length for the antenna to be resonant at a given frequency.
>
>    It seems to me I have also read somewhere that this is a myth.  I
> need the true scoop on this.  I'm preparing to put up a pretty good
> antenna system on my roof (a homebrew 10 meter antenna cut to exactly
> the middle of the band), and don't want to purchase an extra 6 ft of
> Belden 9913 coax only to have it looped up and losing signal, when in
> reality I could of used 20 feet instead of 26 feet of cable.    Jim

altavoz: 9913 !!! on 30 MHZ  NOT !! RG8FOAM
You'll see a .7 db/100'  to .9db/100' increase in attenuation
going to RG8foam . WOW , BIG LOSS ( NOT)
  Stick to radiation pattern adjustments , not splitting hairs
over coax.
  Read "amatuer radio vert' antenna handbook" By CAPT Paul H.Lee
deceased (N6PL) . Its the greatest.




______End of text  from altavoz___________


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Dave Hockaday wrote:
>
> James Pollock wrote:
> >    I have a friend who swears up and down that the length of the
> > coaxial cable to maintain resonance at a given frequency is important
> > for reducing the SWR.  He feels that it acts in a similar principal to
> > the fact that the elements of an antenna must be cut to the correct
> > length for the antenna to be resonant at a given frequency.
>
> Hi Jim. This is true if the feedline impedance is different than that of
> the antenna/transmitter. If you use 50 ohm feedline with a 50 ohm
> antenna/transmitter, any length is acceptable. If you substituted say, 75
> ohm feedline, you would need to cut the feedline in 1/2 wl multiples (the
> impedance is repeated every 1/2 wl).
>
> Dave Hockaday WB4IUY

altavoz: You dont need to cut in 1/2 wave multiples
since it wont change the SWR except thru a very small
increase due to decreasing attenuation over length.
H.F. has very low attenuation on RG8


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In <[e-mail]>, Cecil Moore <[e-mail].c
om> writes:
>Joel Gamble wrote:
>>    The ONLY time coax length makes a difference is when it is radiating
>> rf,thus it becomes an active part of the antenna,instead of the passive
>> conduit it is designed to be.
>
>Hi Joel, got to nitpick a tad.
>
>1. 100ft of RG-58 on 440MHz with an SWR of 1:1 and *no feedline radiation*
>does make a difference.
>
>2. 100ft of RG-58 on 28MHz with an SWR of 20:1 and *no feedline radiation*
>does make a difference.
>
>73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

 Cecil,

  Have they just recently started calling 440 Mhz HF?  :-)))  <- beard

                                                         Jim WD9AHF


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> It's possible to use a cable with an impedance not
> equal to the characteristic impedance of your
> antenna and rig. For example, a half wave length
> of 75 ohm cable will work between a 50 ohm antenna
> and a 50 ohm transmitter.  You can also use 75 ohm
> cable to match a 100 ohm antenna to a 50 ohm rig
> by cutting it to the right length.  Unfortunately,
> these tricks generally only work at one frequency.
>
> In this case, the length of the cable is critical
> to a given frequency.
>
> Steve KT4FY

altavoz: No, a 50 ohm ant' feeding a 75ohm coax will
cause a SWR into coax and towards the radio and an exact
length of coax will not reduce the SWR except as
attenuation factor over that length.


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From: Merv Stump <[e-mail]@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
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Merv Stump <[e-mail]@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>ARRL currently has a program under development which analyzes transmission
>line.  I'm fortunate to have been asked to play with an early copy.
>Running some quick examples shows the following:
>
>At 28 MHz an antenna with a purely resistive load of 50 ohms fed with 100
>feet of RG213 has a loss of 1.181 dB.  There is no additional loss due to
>SWR.
>
>The same antenna fed with 100 feed of 1/2 inch 75 ohm hard line has a loss
>of .420 dB due to the cable and an additional .032 dB due to the SWR for a
>total loss of .452 dB.
>
>An antenna with a purely resistive load of 500 ohms (10/1 SWR) fed with
>RG213 has a loss of 1.181 due to the cable and an additional 2.702 dB due
>to the SWR for a total loss of 3.883 dB.
>
>The same antenna fed with 1/2 inch  75 ohm hard line has a loss of .420 DB
>due to the cable and an additional .032 dB due to SWR for a total loss of
>452 dB.
>
>Incidentally, I chose purely resistive loads just to simplify things.  The
>program works with complex loads as well.  If anyone would like a specific
>calculation you can eMail me.  All that is needed is the type cable, the
>length of the cable, the frequency and the load, (resistive and
>inductive).
>
>Regards, Merv
>
I've had a couple of requests for examples directly addressing the length
of coax question:

At 28 MHz an antenna with an impedance of 70R +4J fed with 11.597 feet of
RG213(1/2 wave length at 28 MHz) has an impedance at the input of 69.28R
+3.76J.  Virtually identical to the load, but even a halfwave of cable
does have some transforming characteristics due to it's loses.  TLA
computes the SWR at load as 1.41/1 and at the input as 1.40/1.

The same antenna fed with 5.798 feet of RG213 (1/4 wave length at 28MHz)
has an impedance at the load of 35.77R -2.35J.  An obvious transformation
of the impedance, however, the SWR is still 1.41/1.

If you feed the antenna with 1/2 wave of PERFECT COAX,(NO LOSSES) TLA
computes the impedance at input as 70.02R + 3.79J (The difference between
this and 70R and 4J can be attributed to rounding.)

Regards, Merv



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From: altavoz <[e-mail]>
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Cecil Moore wrote:
>
> Joel Gamble wrote:
> >    The ONLY time coax length makes a difference is when it is radiating
> > rf,thus it becomes an active part of the antenna,instead of the passive
> > conduit it is designed to be.
>
> Hi Joel, got to nitpick a tad.
>
> 1. 100ft of RG-58 on 440MHz with an SWR of 1:1 and *no feedline radiation*
> does make a difference.

altavoz: I get 271 "1/4 wavelengths" and that makes it an ODD multiple
of 1/4w and therefore it will radiate cause the open end of the coax
will see a short on the outside end of the coax at the radio end.
.66 VF RG58 , assuming a high SWR at load and 1:1 at radio.

> 2. 100ft of RG-58 on 28MHz with an SWR of 20:1 and *no feedline radiation*
> does make a difference.

altavoz: The diff we're talking of is trimming the line and in your
case trimming the line will increase the RF ( feedline radiation)
on the outside of the coax By pulling down the Z seen on the outside
by the antenna . Trimming 1/4w will peak the FEEDLINE RADIATION.



> 73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

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altavoz wrote:
> ... therefore it will radiate cause the open end of the coax
> will see a short on the outside end of the coax at the radio end.
> ...Trimming 1/4w will peak the FEEDLINE RADIATION.

How is the RF current going to get past the choke?

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: altavoz <[e-mail]>
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Cecil Moore wrote:
>
> altavoz wrote:
> > ... therefore it will radiate cause the open end of the coax
> > will see a short on the outside end of the coax at the radio end.
> > ...Trimming 1/4w will peak the FEEDLINE RADIATION.
>
> How is the RF current going to get past the choke?
>
> 73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


altavoz: You're assuming a choke . The thread makes more sense
if you dont assume a choke ( i went all the way back to JOEL
GAMBLEs post)


I think he's saying a 440 signal into RG58 is a 1:1 NO MATTER
WHAT cause it's 100 feet long and that means it could be an
open circuit . I think he tried to get one past us by making
us assume that there was a termination .
  Anyway the way to kill it is BALUN,steel wool, ferrite,
cut coax to a particular length ( narrow BW), or offset feed
the antenna ( bal ant has an unbal' point where you can hook
coax, and pattern does not suffer ).
  What i find amasing is so many novices worry about the
match , but not the radiation pattern . You can match
anything, even a 1/2w by stretching it a little to bring
down the R and that 2nd lobe is too small to hurt .
  Radiation pattern on a J pole is bad but has a nice
stub to match it....so build a 5/8w using that stub to match
it. Problem is the standard way ( "L" )is just as simple.
  Thanks for correcting my sloppy thinking, 73's




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altavoz wrote:
>
> > It's possible to use a cable with an impedance not
> > equal to the characteristic impedance of your
> > antenna and rig. For example, a half wave length
> > of 75 ohm cable will work between a 50 ohm antenna
> > and a 50 ohm transmitter.  You can also use 75 ohm
> > cable to match a 100 ohm antenna to a 50 ohm rig
> > by cutting it to the right length.  Unfortunately,
> > these tricks generally only work at one frequency.
> >
> > In this case, the length of the cable is critical
> > to a given frequency.
> >
> > Steve KT4FY
>
> altavoz: No, a 50 ohm ant' feeding a 75ohm coax will
> cause a SWR into coax and towards the radio and an exact
> length of coax will not reduce the SWR except as
> attenuation factor over that length.
>
>
> ______End of text  from altavoz___________

Wrong O buddy boy.

An electrical 1/2 of coax is a tried and true method of mesuring
the SWR at the antenna feed point remotely for exactly that reason.
Its totally invisible to the remote test gear. If you doubt it try it!

Dave Hand WB4HYP


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> altavoz <[e-mail]>
 writes:
>> It's possible to use a cable with an impedance not
>> equal to the characteristic impedance of your
>> antenna and rig. For example, a half wave length
>> of 75 ohm cable will work between a 50 ohm antenna
>> and a 50 ohm transmitter.  You can also use 75 ohm
>> cable to match a 100 ohm antenna to a 50 ohm rig
>> by cutting it to the right length.  Unfortunately,
>> these tricks generally only work at one frequency.
>>
>> In this case, the length of the cable is critical
>> to a given frequency.
>>
>> Steve KT4FY
>
>altavoz: No, a 50 ohm ant' feeding a 75ohm coax will
>cause a SWR into coax and towards the radio and an exact
>length of coax will not reduce the SWR except as
>attenuation factor over that length.

You two are talking about different things. Sure, the SWR on
the cable will not be unity, but if you cut the cable to an
electrical halfwave (or multiple), you *don't care* because
the impedance seen by the source is a repetition of the
impedance presented by the load. The source doesn't care
about SWR on the cable, it only cares that it sees the
correct impedance presented to it.

In the case of a 100 ohm load and a 50 ohm source, an electrical
1/4-wave of 75 ohm cable will transform the load impedance to
50 ohms at the source end of the cable. The source will be happy,
the load will be happy, and we'll be real happy there is SWR on
the cable, because it is this SWR which makes the transformation
happen. A "high" SWR isn't always bad, in fact it can be downright
useful at times.

Gary
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Dick Hughes wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:07:27 GMT, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <54nc7a$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James Pollock) w
rites:
> >>   I have a friend who swears up and down that the length of the
> >>coaxial cable to maintain resonance at a given frequency is important
> >>for reducing the SWR.  He feels that it acts in a similar principal to
> >>the fact that the elements of an antenna must be cut to the correct
> >>length for the antenna to be resonant at a given frequency.
> >>
> >>   It seems to me I have also read somewhere that this is a myth.  I
> >>need the true scoop on this.  I'm preparing to put up a pretty good
> >>antenna system on my roof (a homebrew 10 meter antenna cut to exactly
> >>the middle of the band), and don't want to purchase an extra 6 ft of
> >>Belden 9913 coax only to have it looped up and losing signal, when in
> >>reality I could of used 20 feet instead of 26 feet of cable.
> >
> >Ok, this can get complex because there are several interrelated
> >things happening here. Lets take them one at a time.
> >
> >The only thing that determines SWR on a transmission line is
> >the ratio of the characteristic impedance of the line to the
> >impedance presented by *the load*. Nothing you can do at the
> >generator end can affect SWR, and changing the length of the
> >cable won't change SWR either (but see below).
>
> <huge snip>
>
> >Gary
>
> In general, the correct length of coax for an HF antenna is the
> distance it takes to get from the transmitter to the antenna.  Don't
> worry about length.
>
> Dick Hughes - W6CCD


There's an important issue that has not been mentioned.
If your SWR is 1:1, coax length is unimportant.
If it's not, then the impedance looking into the coax is a function
of the length.  Draw a (constant SWR) circle on a Smith Chart.  As you
change length,
you move around that circle.  As long as your transmiter can match
any impedance on the circle, you're OK.  With a high SWR or with a
modern no-tune rig, you might find that the rig behaves significantly
differently depending on the coax length.  SWR doesn't change, but
the matching network required to drive the coax sure does.

Having said that, I suggest you put your effort into making the antenna
1:1 rather than messing with the coax length.

miker


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From: [e-mail] (Jonathon Schelmbauer)
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Subject: Re: Is the HTX 202 rely as bad as I have been told?
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I bought an HTX-202 for my first radio also.  I used it base, mobile,
and portible and really liked it alot, but it was not long before I
was ready to upgrade.  My advice is that if you have the money to
begin with go ahead and get a top of the line radio.  However if yo
can't afford or just don't want top of the line than an HTX-202 would
make a good radio.

[e-mail] (Mike Anderson) wrote:

>This month's QST has a review of several popular 2 meter mobiles, including
>the HTX 242. I think that's the number; it replaced the 212. The RS model
>didn't score the best or the worst from what I've read so far.

>VY 73,                       Mike WA8JDW

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>
>>Diback ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: I am anxeously awaiting my ham ticket, and I'm looking at perspective
>>: radios.  For a while, I realy liked the HTX 202 from Radio Shack, and I've
>>: heard good things about it over 2 meters on my scanner.  Resently, a store
>>: owner told me that any thing that Radio Shack puts out, is trash, and to
>>: get some other brand( he recomended a Standard something or other).  Is
>>: this true, or did he just want me to get something from his store?  Any
>>: recomendations for a first radio?
>>: Any feed-back would be appreceated.
>>
>>I'm entirely happy with my HTX-202 and, in fact, bought the HTX-404 for 70
>>cm, as a result of overall satisfaction with the 202.
>>
>>My only complaint is that it has only 12 memories, which puts it at somewhat
>>of a disadvantage here in SoCal.
>>
>>I don't recommend extended warranties; they're a big ripoff.  But, you have
>>to factor in your own situation in making that decision.  My feeling is
>>that, at the discounted price I paid ($189.95) during a sale, if it worked
>>for a year that was fine; anything more is gravy.  If it failed, it would
>>give me an opportunity to buy a dual-bander, such as the FT-51R.
>>
>>73 de Jim - KF6CR
>>





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Subject: Re: Is the HTX 202 rely as bad as I have been told?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>This is amazing. An Advanced class licensee who can't change a battery.

Well Gary, sorry to say it, but this is the result of that "exams should be
entry class license oriented because amateur radio is a life-long learning
process; exams are not meant to be graduation exams" attitude that you have.

That kind of attitude gives us exactly what you see here. Advanced-class
hams that can't change batteries, extra-class licensees who can't build
dipoles, and the list goes on and on.

MD
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In article <54n9ih$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>       Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>This is amazing. An Advanced class licensee who can't change a battery.
>
>Well Gary, sorry to say it, but this is the result of that "exams should be
>entry class license oriented because amateur radio is a life-long learning
>process; exams are not meant to be graduation exams" attitude that you have.
>
>That kind of attitude gives us exactly what you see here. Advanced-class
>hams that can't change batteries, extra-class licensees who can't build
>dipoles, and the list goes on and on.

Nice try, but KD7MK (formerly WB7AHD) was licensed long before
any of the "dumbing down" you complain about. That just proves
that the tests don't screen for the amateur can do spirit, and
never have. He earned admission to the laboratory, but like the
horse led to water, we can't make him drink. That's an internal
motivation he either has or he hasn't.

Gary

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es
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James Aeschliman)
Subject: Re: Is the HTX 202 rely as bad as I have been told?
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Duane Anderson) says:

>
>James:
>When I bought my HTX-212, I also bought an extended warranty with it
>good for 6 years...when the memory battery goes out, then I will let
>Radio Shack "fix" it for me under the warranty, (or they can give me a
>NEW one; I wont mind).
>
>Duane.
>
>James Aeschliman wrote:
>
>> I almost bought one about a year ago.  The only thing that stopped me was
>> the battery that holds the memory information lasts about 5 years, but it
>> is NOT user replaceable.  I've heard that only a few models have a user
>> replaceable battery.  All the rest must go back to the factory for
>> battery replacement.
>
Actually that's how I found out about the battery.  When I said I did not
want the extended warranty, the sales person told me it would cover the
battery replacement and that it's not user replaceable.  Killed the sale
right there.  I have an old ICOM handheld that doesn't require such a
battery.  I added a tone board to the ICOM handheld.

Also, the original post referred to an HTX 202, which may be a mobile
rig, not a handheld (I'm not familiar with the model numbers).  My
comments refer only to the handheld.  I don't know anything about the
mobile rigs.
--
Jim Aeschliman                      [e-mail]
Black Diamond, Washington           KD7MK


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Jim Conn's OUTRAGEOUS pro-code agenda finally revealed
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In article <54mkjn$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

[mass spew deleted]

>>Sorry, Carl, but your claim doesn't hold water.  The morse test serves as
>>a very nice filter to restrict to a reasonable number those who have
>>access to HF.
>
>OK, now we're getting to reality ... YOU don't want more people on
>"YOUR" HF bands (they might get too crowded for your antiquated
>methods), so you want to mantain a "filter" to "keep newcomers out"
>THAT IS PROBABLY THE FIRST HONEST STATEMENT YOU'VE MADE IN THIS ENTIRE
>DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How does an examination that any "newcomer" can take, pass, and receive
privileges as a result "keep" people out? Seems that its a requirement,
you either do it or don't, and you either get the privs associated
with it or not.

"Filter" is a poor word, since nobody is forced to go through it if
they don't want to.

[more "technology is a wonderful thing" spew deleted]

MD
--
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--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:49:59 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: Jim Conn's OUTRAGEOUS pro-code agenda finally revealed
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In <54vm14$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <54mkjn$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>(Jimm Conn said:)
>>>Sorry, Carl, but your claim doesn't hold water.  The morse test serves as
>>>a very nice filter to restrict to a reasonable number those who have
>>>access to HF.
>>(Carl said:)
>>OK, now we're getting to reality ... YOU don't want more people on
>>"YOUR" HF bands (they might get too crowded for your antiquated
>>methods), so you want to mantain a "filter" to "keep newcomers out"
>>THAT IS PROBABLY THE FIRST HONEST STATEMENT YOU'VE MADE IN THIS ENTIRE
>>DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>How does an examination that any "newcomer" can take, pass, and receive
>privileges as a result "keep" people out? Seems that its a requirement,
>you either do it or don't, and you either get the privs associated
>with it or not.

It "keeps out" anyone who doesn't want to learn/use Morse code.  This is
ridiculous and unwarranted. As for it being a requirement, that is a
vestige of a byegone day that desparately needs to be removed.  ANd the
privs are NOT associated with CW ... the privs are more PHONE privs
.. to CW is COMPLETELY irrelevant and it is, JUST A "FILTER" to KEEP
PEOPLE OUT ... and those prople are ALL people who are otherwise
interested in ham radio, but not in the code ... that is grossly unfair
and needs to be rectified to fit with today's world.

You also omit Conn's blatherings about how it "is government's
obligation to limit access to HF so all the would-be American hams don't
trash the bands for foreigners" ... why do you choose to omit some of
the more blatantly absurd parts of Conn's blatherings and attempt to
defend the less obviously absurd parts (when taken in isolation, they
may be less obviously absurd, that is)???

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:00 1996
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From: Rich Papa <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Kenwood TH79a Batterys
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I was hoping someone out there could tell me what the contacts on the
bottom of the Kenwood battery packs for the TH79a were for.  I know that
it's for the rapid charger, and I know that one is obviously positive
and the other is negative.  Is the third for a thermistor for battery
temp when charging?  I want to make a rapid charger for the battery, and
needed some info on this.  Thanks in advance for any responses.

Rich
N1VAJ


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From: [e-mail] (George Arsics jr)
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 Big Al lives!     3894.5  nightly

The FCC is caving in under its own internal corruption, greed, &
mismanagement!
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  [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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>>...I had a tech modify a Kenwood TH79AD dual band HT...

An Authorized KENWOOD Repair Center Technician???

What were the written warranties you received when the "tech" performed
the mod?

Isn't this more of "let the modifier beware" rather than a case for
litigation? I mean, you wanna face a judge and state that you had this
guy modify your radio so that you could illegally access frequencies,
and now you're upset?


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Evan Platt)
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[e-mail] (Clint Bradford) wrote:
>An Authorized KENWOOD Repair Center Technician???

No. He works at/for the local scanner store.

>What were the written warranties you received when the "tech" performed
>the mod?

None. And he charged me the money too, on top of fubaring the radio.

>Isn't this more of "let the modifier beware" rather than a case for
>litigation? I mean, you wanna face a judge and state that you had this
>guy modify your radio so that you could illegally access frequencies,
>and now you're upset?

Illigeally access frequencies?? Umm.. it's illigeal to recieve 470MHz?
What country are you in? This is the USA bub. We can listen into the 2
GHz and higher, but not cellular or 46.63 - 47 MHz.

If you brought a VCR into a shop because the display was broke, and
then they guy fries the whole unit, but fixes the display, you gonna
be a bit pissed too, eh?
What's the difference, I pay him to desolder two jumpers, he breaks a
trace or two. hmm..


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[e-mail] (Evan Platt) wrote:
> We can listen into the 2 GHz and higher, but not cellular or 46.63 - 47 MHz.
>
Evan,
  Why can't we listen to 46.63-47 MHz?
73,
Bernie



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I heard the ECPA said we can't?? I say kill the whole ECPA. =)

Bob Snyder <[e-mail]> wrote:
>We can listen to cordless phones. You just can't use anything
>heard on there for personal uses/gains.  There may be state
>regs. to prevent cordless listening but not federal.



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Let's BUY the Ham Bands !
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[e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:

>The ham bands are part of the spectrum and EVERYBODY owns that ...
>so it is unfair to exclude some just because of a completely ARBITRARY
>"requirement" like the code ...

OK, if you say so. Well, how about this for an idea, Squigg.  How many hams
are there in the U.S., 700,000 ?  How's about we all kick in a thousand bucks
each, what would that be, about $70,000,000.00 ?  And then we buy the ham
bands.  I'm not sure who we give the money to, because you say EVERYBODY
owns them already and I imagine 'we' are part of 'everybody', right ? Never
mind, we'll figure that out later.

Anyway, after we buy the ham bands, we drop the CW requirement, just like
everybody says they did in Japan.   After we do that, millions of people with
EE degrees and Grandpa Lenny will come and get a ham license like you
said already, right ?  OK. So now we just do like they do in Japan and we
charge everybody a hundred bucks a year for their license.  And to top if off,
we could make even MORE money, like they do in Japan, by charging all
the FOREIGN guys who have U.S. licenses MORE money than we charge
the locals.

Think about it Squiggie, if we could pull that off, we could not only get you
and Grandpa Lenny on HF, we could all get RICH !!

But we need to get going on this quickly, because the FCC may just start
thinking about how much money they could make by charging us Japanese
prices for a ham license, and we don't want them to get the jump on us.

I have an offshore bank account in the Carribean, Squiggie, we can use
that to hold the money until we are ready to make the purchase. Since you
are the Leader of the no code movement, and leading by example is the
best way, send me your check and I'll deposit it for you.

73, Jim KH2D






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[e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL) wrote:


>Is anyone else tired of hearing (about) Burt?
>Several months ago he left RIME.NET and things sure are quiet over there
>now.

No, most of us enjoy hearing from Burt.  If you are tired of hearing from him,
click your mouse on RIME.NET, he's not there anymore, remember ?

73, Jim KH2D




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From: [e-mail] (Darvell D. Hunt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Licensing procedures (was Re: Is the HTX 202 rely as bad as I have been told?)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary
 Coffman) writes:
-> In article <54n9ih$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
-> >In article <[e-mail]>,
-> >    Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
-> >
-> >>This is amazing. An Advanced class licensee who can't change a battery.
-> >
-> >Well Gary, sorry to say it, but this is the result of that "exams should b
e
-> >entry class license oriented because amateur radio is a life-long learning
-> >process; exams are not meant to be graduation exams" attitude that you hav
e.
-> >
-> >That kind of attitude gives us exactly what you see here. Advanced-class
-> >hams that can't change batteries, extra-class licensees who can't build
-> >dipoles, and the list goes on and on.
->
-> Nice try, but KD7MK (formerly WB7AHD) was licensed long before
-> any of the "dumbing down" you complain about. That just proves
-> that the tests don't screen for the amateur can do spirit, and
-> never have. He earned admission to the laboratory, but like the
-> horse led to water, we can't make him drink. That's an internal
-> motivation he either has or he hasn't.
->
-> Gary

I passed my Advanced in about 1985.  That was when the new question-pool thing
was starting.  I bought a book with all of the questions and all of the answer
s
and I knew the whole book by heart.  I figured I would ace the test easily.  N
ot
bad for a Junior in high school.

Well, when I got to the test session, my heart sank.  The VE's had made up the
ir
own questions!  "They're not supposed to do that!" I thought angrilly.

But I started thru the exam anyway.  It was _HARD_.  I recognized the theory,
but
the questions were all screwed up.  I was fearfull as it was corrected.

I missed 12 questions.  (I think you were allowed to miss 13?)  Man was I happ
y.
Not only did I get my ticket, but I figured I actually deserved it and that I
knew the material.  (My call became KE7GW -- you can use that to date this.
My dad passed his advanced that day, too.)

Sadly to say, however, I did not understand my extra theory as well.  I picked
up the extra book, studied it for a week, and passed the exam.  Fortunately I
had already passed the code so I didn't have to worry about that.  (The code
took me 3 tries -- 5 correct, 6 correct, then 7 correct.  And I've only made
about 3 contacts on CW and will probably never make another. :-( )

(I have built a dipole before, tho!  But that's when I was a general...)

Darvell

--
Darvell D. Hunt    [e-mail]
Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.
     Salt Lake City, Utah


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From: arsenaul@lss1105 (Brian Arsenault)
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Hi everyone...

I am trying to repair a couple Heathkit HW-16's and am in
need of a copy of the manual.  I would be willing to cover
the copy and shipping fees.  Please let me know at the
address below.  Thanks and 73...

Brian

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:10 1996
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From: Wolfango Horn <[e-mail]>
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My father, Walter G. Horn - i4MK, an OM pioneer of the radio in Italy and
author of technical papers in QST and QEX, is writing a book about the
beginnings of radioamateur transmissions in Italy.
Unfortunately, both ARI (italian branch of IARU) and ARRL are not able to
provide any callbook of italian radioamateurs operating from 1935 to 1940
in Italy.
Such callbooks were destroyed during the II World War.
He would be happy to have OMs' assistance in looking for them.
He firmly believes such a callbook could be traced, perhaps as a part of
international radioamateur callbooks of that period, in USA, so the aim
to complete his laborious compilation could be attained.
Thanks in advance. 73 & 51.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:11 1996
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Date: 22 Oct 1996 09:00:00 +0100
From: [e-mail] (Thomas Dreymann)
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Subject: Manual for FT757GXII
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I m looking for a service manual for the ft757gxII. This tranceiver also
working with a cat system and so I  interesting for any programs and
manuals about it.
If you have, please contact me via EMail.

Thomas Dreymann, DH8LAT, K÷nigsbergerstra▀e 7c, 25548 Kellinghuse, Germany
EMail: [e-mail]

^



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Stamper)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Manual for TS 700 A
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 96 19:15:14 GMT
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A recent hamfest provided me with a TS 700 A but no manual.I would like an
original or a copy.Any help is verry much appreciated.Will reimburse for
copying and mailing.

Verry 73  Bob  N4KTS


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:13 1996
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Subject: Re: Manual for TS 700 A
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:00:09 GMT
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[e-mail] (Robert Stamper) wrote:

>A recent hamfest provided me with a TS 700 A but no manual.I would like an
>original or a copy.Any help is verry much appreciated.Will reimburse for
>copying and mailing.

>Verry 73  Bob  N4KTS
Hi Bob,
     Send me a large SASE and I will send you the manual. I sold the
rig but just found the manual. I Hopefully, you haven't yet spent $16,
(plus $3,00 for shipping!!). Gus..WA6WBC.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:14 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Many Questions (please email me)
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 17:04:09 -0600
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I'm about to get my license and my 1st radio. I drive about 60 miles a
day just to work and back! I am on a low budget (I only have about
$500-$600 for the time being after I get the HT). I won't be able to buy
things that often, maybe at an average of $50 per month.

I'm going to get a good Yaseu or Kentwood Handie Talkie that does 3-5
watts. Do they all work on repeaters? Can I use them with autopathes?

I realize that repeaters are to be shared. I do not have a car phone and
figured I could start my own autopatch (no repeater). Can I do this with
a Techinican license? I have figured a way to build a device that would
read a long password composed of many DTMF tones (about 10-15).  Could
I  setup a transceiver with an autopatch (maybe homemade) at my house on
MY phone line and use it well in my car?  Would it make sense to buy a
35 watt amplifier for my car so I could plug my HT in?      How far to
HT transmit in the general city areas?


Can I put a tone based password on my autopatch (as above) LEGALLY?
Do I have to worry about other hams Hacking it or will they leave it
alone?  Do I have to make it identify itself every 10 minutes? Could I
setup an answering machine like device at home so my family could
receive messages from me?

Thank You.
73!
PLEASE EMAIL ME!


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Osborne)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Michigan City Hamfest
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 21:23:52
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Michigan City Amateur Radio Club (MCARC)
 is having it's annual hamfest March 1997.
For more information check out the web page,
http://ww2.netnitco.net/users/n9zip/homepage.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Little)
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>
>
> In article <546p3q$[e-mail]>,
> nasty foul mouthed [e-mail] says...
>
> >
> > No, I would mantain
>
> MAINTAIN  2 points off spelling error

I love it when people tick off others for errors
(and then proceed to do what they just complained
about).

>
>
> Ahh yes, now the insults  stupid  ignorant  way to make
> a point Carl  BTW you still haven't provided ANY facts
> in 3 months  What a class act
>

Bad punctuation.

> still waiting for you to name all these techno wiz bang
> modes you've invented CArl.  OOhhh I'm sorry there a
> secret  right???
>

Incorrect use of captial letter, bad punctuation.

> Wait a minute...you said many MANY times you can decode
> 20wpm in your head.  Is that the equal equipment.  Now
> you say you can't...anothe LIE CArl???
>

Incorrect use of capital letter, spelling error, incorrect use of punctuation.

> Obviously you haven't recuperated enough Carl.  The
> doctor sez you should shut down and rest.  Preferably
> in a nice white room with nice fluffy padded walls.  I
> can see it now

Spelling error, incorrect punctuation.

>
> CARL..."I know that fly's in here..I can hear him
> buzzing around!!!!"
> --
> Steve - KF2TI (Advanced Class & Damned Proud of IT!)
> ARRL LIFE MEMBER
>
> No Code or Know Code...Who Cares??
>
> How can you be in Two Places at Once When You're
> Not Anywhere at All??
> .

Ever noticed how people who pick on spelling and punctuation
mistakes, always fall short of their own standards (and I'm
sure this will include me)? ;-)

E&OE
Mark.




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Harel Shachar)
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Subject: Motorola Mocom-70 schime ?
Date: 27 Oct 1996 06:14:10 GMT
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I'v got an old Mocom - 70 (2 meter) from a friend. it is a larg old Vhf
transciver, should be 25 years old.
the set is in a farly good condition and i'd like to tray and work with it.
Can anybody help with its schime?

Regards & 73
Harel 4x4 3018

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need Help Installing My 2-meter Mobile
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <serley19.845960703@allinux1> [e-mail] (Steve
-Erley-IDT) writes:
>[e-mail] (Steve  - KF2TI (Landing, NJ)) writes:
>>Make sure both leads are properly fused.  VERY
>>IMPORTANT!!!
>
>Bad advice, don't fuse your ground lead ever!
>If you do and the fuse blows, your rig at best will still ground
>itself thru the mounting bracket, at worst thru the antenna coax.
>----Steve Erley---Notahamandnotashamed-

No, always fuse both the positive and the negative at the battery.
This is very important. You can have a vehicle fire, or at least
fry your radio, if you don't fuse the negative and the engine strap
fails. That makes your radio the only return to battery negative
for all vehicle current, including the 200+ amps of starter current.
That'll fry the radio at the least, and possibly start a vehicle
fire. All the manufacturers insist that you fuse the negative for
this reason.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve  - KF2TI (Landing, NJ))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Need Help Installing My 2-meter Mobile
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:35:52 -0400
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In article <54go2k$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
> Hi,Gene N1RCL here.  I just purchased a 2-meter mobile rig and need help
> with the installation wiring.  The dealer told me to just wrap the
> positive lead around a fuse in my car.  This doesn't sound right.
> Besides, how in the heck could I replace the fuse with a thick lead
> attached??  Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>                              Thanks,
>

NO NO and NO.  Run the wiring (positive and negative)to
the battery.  You can probably find the wiring harness
that leads thru the firewall

Make sure both leads are properly fused.  VERY
IMPORTANT!!!

MAKE SURE THAT THE RADIO IS OFF BEFORE STARTING THE
CAR.  The sudden drain than increase in electrical
power can really do a number on your rig

If you need a temporary fix until then, use the cigar
lighter plug, but don't run the radio at full output.
The wiring won;t handle it very well.


Good Luck
--
Steve - KF2TI (Advanced Class & Damned Proud of IT!)
ARRL LIFE MEMBER

No Code or Know Code...Who Cares??

How can you be in Two Places at Once When You're
Not Anywhere at All??


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:22 1996
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From: Hal Rosser AE4YN <[e-mail]>
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Subject: need MFJ941C MANUAL
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Does anyone know where I can get a manual for
a MFJ 941-C ant tuner ?
--
Thanks in advance
AE4YN Hal
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:23 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Neophyte need advice of RF setup for Sports Bar
Date: 29 Oct 1996 22:05:18 GMT
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Test



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:24 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Neophyte need advie for RF setup at a Sports Bar
Date: 29 Oct 1996 22:15:54 GMT
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I am setting up a Sports Bar that will have approximately 15 different broadca
sts displayed on
different monitors throughout the bar. I thought it might be possible to set u
p a system where the
audio from each game is broadcast over a specific frequency and I could build
or have built little
battery powered receivers that could be placed on the table for a customer to
be able to tune into
the audio of the game he pr she wants to listen to. If someone can point me in
 the right direction
as far as a supplier or company who can help with such a setup it would be gre
atly. I have little
or no knowledge about how to set this up myself and will have to rely on the a
dvice of s someone
more knowledgable than myself.

Thank You,
Steven Altus



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:25 1996
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From: Mark White <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Neophyte need advie for RF setup at a Sports Bar
Date: 30 Oct 1996 02:31:24 GMT
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There are a few ways to make your novel idea work (and I think its a cool
idea!). A simple way is to buy already made low power FM transmitters and
place simple FM radios at different tables, if you had a digital display
on the radios it would be easier for customers to tune in the right one.
These can be found by the bunches in most electronic magazine advertising
sections. an added plus to this method is patrons can also use their own
walkmans if they wanted to. Another way would be to just hard-wire all
the booths using 12 pair cable and have speakers with a selector knob.
this way obviously does cut down on the flexibility though.
                                     Good Luck
                                      Mark



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New Newsgroup
Date: 22 Oct 1996 05:54:47 -0400
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Xref: news1.epix.net rec.radio.amateur.homebrew:20410 rec.radio.amateur.misc:116896

The boatanchors newsgroup is called rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors - and
you subscribe using your newsreader program.  The information file that
was posted refers to the Boatanchors-List, a fine-business mailing list
that has been around since August 1992 and is an excellent resource on the
subject.  The two are not the same - one is a mail reflector and the other
is a usenet newsgroup.

73,

Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE:New online survey asks--->Why aren't you an ARRL member?
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 19:02:00 GMT
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>>Why aren't you an ARRL member?

I question your motives, Raymond, in posting these so-called "results"
here for us.

The questions are poorly worded. The overall "poll" is negative in tone,
thereby enticing a biased audience to respond.

And, apparently, no one can enter their own response - or further
explanation of their responses.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:28 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE:New online survey asks--->Why aren't you an ARRL member?
Date: 30 Oct 1996 03:24:47 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clint
Bradford) writes:
>
>
>>>Why aren't you an ARRL member?
>
>I question your motives, Raymond, in posting these so-called "results"
>here for us.
>
>The questions are poorly worded. The overall "poll" is negative in
tone,
>thereby enticing a biased audience to respond.
>
>And, apparently, no one can enter their own response - or further
>explanation of their responses.

Clint,

Ray does these little "polls" to pump up his little business. I have
often wondered why he doesn't get more heat for "commercial activity"
on the news groups. But he doesn't and I have no interest in starting
it.

                                Jerry



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE:New online survey asks--->Why aren't you an ARRL member??
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:58:00 GMT
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>>Why Have You Not Chosen To Join The ARRL?
>>Dues are too high.
>>I just haven't gotten around to it.

Of course, these two are silly, nonsensical responses.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:30 1996
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From: N9RJV <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New online survey asks--->Why aren't you an ARRL member??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 12:54:41 -0800
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Clint Bradford wrote:
>
> >>Why Have You Not Chosen To Join The ARRL?
> >>Dues are too high.
> >>I just haven't gotten around to it.
>
> Of course, these two are silly, nonsensical responses.

No, Clint, those are NOT silly answers.
Contrary to popular, more liberal beliefs, there are, in fact, many
people (like myself) who are on extremely limited incomes.
The 'dues' charged by the ARRL are by far the highest I have seen, and
having to live on a sub-poverty level fixed disability income doesn't
allow the wasting of that much for (in all honesty) little more than a
magazine I read maybe twice a year. That's why I dropped them. They were
overpriced, and not truly representative of my viewpoints. Not to
mention, the two times I did ask them for basic information, all they
could be bother to do was sell me a book or two which 'might have the
answer I was looking for.'
No thanks. My money is MUCH better spent on a basic Internet package,
like the one I have. No frills, Web, FTP, e-mail. and unlimited time for
under $10 a month.
Yes. it adds up to 4 times the cost of the ARRL magazine subscription
fee, but I get many times that in return.
Any additional return gotten from the ARRL are solely subject to the
whims of the board (with a large dose of commercial marketing thrown in
for good measure), not the membership anyhow. As a result, I put in my
time with a local group that returns time to the communities surrounding
it at the direction of its members, not the board and officers.

Gerry  N9RJV



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:31 1996
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From: "T.J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: New Web Site!
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:07:22 -0400
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I would like to announce to the lists my New Homepages, and invite
everyone to stop by and check it out.  It contains many useful and
related links.

        http://alessi.com/tom

Ham Radio, Freemasonry, Police/Fire/EMS, Aviation, Weather & More!

Thanks,
Tom
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:32 1996
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Try the sites in my signature file. also http://members.tripod.com/~becca6/
there are some links to freemasonry that I enjoy


george

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (ANN KENON)
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This is a newbie question - please be patient!!

Radio Shack/Realistic PRO-25 scanner has sensitivity specifications of
20dB S/N with 60% modulation, 3kHz deviation for FM, 0.6uV in 137-174MHz.

What do each of these figures mean in terms of what it can receive, and
the quality of reception and audio output? How do these figures compare
to other portable and base-station scanners? If I want better
reception/audio quality, would it make much difference to go for another
make or price bracket?

Listening to VHF/UHF transmissions, the audio quality is not high, not as
good as commercial broadcast FM. Is this due to bandwidth? Using Xandi
Electronics' miniature crystal-controlled transmitter (143.775MHz) to
transmit conversation to the scanner, the end result is not as clear as
it could be. Would a different transmitter/scanner combination give
better clarity, or would a different technology be necessary for improved
fidelity?


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On 26 Oct 1996 16:48:22 GMT, [e-mail] (ANN KENON) wrote:

+
+This is a newbie question - please be patient!!
+
+Radio Shack/Realistic PRO-25 scanner has sensitivity specifications
of
+20dB S/N with 60% modulation, 3kHz deviation for FM, 0.6uV in
137-174MHz.
+
+What do each of these figures mean in terms of what it can receive,

<el snippo>

 +to VHF/UHF transmissions, the audio quality is not high, not as
+good as commercial broadcast FM. Is this due to bandwidth? Using

3kc deviation is the normal allocated bandwidth for an FM voice
channel.  But on the 100Mc FM band, where fidelity is x times more
important than communications, the bandwidth per station is 150kc
(plus/minus, depending on the country, etc)

All comes down to horses for courses.  You want fidelity or
communications
that don't take up a lot of space in the limited spectrum
available.  That's why most FM handhelds, etc have a
LIMITED BANDWIDTH  of 3kc.  Human voice seldom goes above that,
so the limit is set there.  FM music however goes much higher,
not to mention a 19kc stereo pilot reference, SCA (hidden
channels for elevator music) and actually has two channels
(left/right) matrixed together.

Even as high as the 1200Mc ham band, voice is limited to
3kc, just not to be wasting spectrum.

Uncle Brian

    -    -    -    -
Life isn't meaningless, it just has a poor signal to noise ratio.


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From: [e-mail] (Bea and Marvin Jones)
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Will Edwards ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi,

: For Warp'ed contesters out there, I've made available (as freeware) a native
: OS/2 logger for the November Sweepstakes contest.  You can get the latest
: version
: from http://www.bga.com/~edwardsw/SSLog12.zip.

: Will Edwards, WA5WZA
: [e-mail]

tnx, Will!  There just ain't enuf of us discriminating OS/2 users.

73
Jonesy W3DHJ
__
SK

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:36 1996
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From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Older "kids".   Was: Re: Can Amatuer Radio survive ?
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 16:11:01 -0500
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[e-mail] wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>, Ken Sturgill <[e-mail]> writes:
> >
> >Let's face it fellows, the thrill is no longer there.  With the
> >internet, cell phones, etc., communication is a part of living any
> >more.
> My experience has been that Ken is simply wrong on this one.  And when
> kids are interested in ham radio, it is the possibility of talking nationwid
e
> and worldwide that has sparked that interest.

Well, I don't know.  If the kids are really young, I'd agree with you.

But I think we also want to attract people who will eventually become
technologists and engineers.  How many high-school and college aged
"kids" with a technical background (and I'm not just talking electronics
or software) would get "wowed" by HF DX vs the latest applications on
internet?  Furthermore, what percentage of today's young technical people
are AT ALL interested in amateur radio vs people from that same age
group (and technical bent) 30 or more years ago?

Should amateur radio be made more attractive to such people?
Is so, how can we do that?

- [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:37 1996
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From: Armando Stettner <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Oops: Re: Receiving traffic helicopter signal:
                 Re: Oops: Re: Receiving traffic helicopter signals?
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A friendly net'er sent me a message saying "\"real time\" (not slow
scan) and non-compressed video from a helicopter is going to be
microwave."

He went on to say "While it is possible to use Omni-Directional antennas
- usually TV stations/networks use highly directional antenna systems,
usually employing tracking technology."

I was surprised at the comment on tracking technology so I gave a call
to a few TV stations' engineering departments (one who had a helicopter
with live feeds) and got the following info:

        They do use microwaves.

        The helicopter typically uses an omnidirectional antenna.

        Using lat/long from the helicopter's LORAN (I asked about GPS and
        they don't use it, yet), a ground station (one of several a given
        station has/operates) antenna array is pointed toward the
        helicopter.

When I asked him about moving helicopters (the infamous bronco following
helicopter in LA, for example) he said that an alternative is to have
another stationary helicopter relay the signal.

The info above is only as good as the source.

Hope this helps and thanks for the mail, Tim.


        armando.


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On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, Armando Stettner wrote:

> > If it is microwave, I suspect it is pretty directional.  However, I
> > suspect that it is microwave....
> Oops:  I ment to say that I suspect it is *not* microwave.

Actually the helicopter in Portland Oregon uses a diection microwave link
to transmit it's TV and FLIR (Yes, KGW has FLIR-Incredible but true)
They even have a big website about the helicopter including the type of
microwave link

http://www.kgw.com


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Work)
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Brian Varine ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Actually the helicopter in Portland Oregon uses a diection microwave link
: to transmit it's TV and FLIR (Yes, KGW has FLIR-Incredible but true)
: They even have a big website about the helicopter including the type of
: microwave link

They probably bought the equipment at a bargain-basement price from some
military electronics contractor whose main business is drying up due to
budged cuts.  I'm sure the development of this stuff was paid for by the
military, it would be far too expensive for someone to develop just for
the commercial market.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:41 1996
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Go inexpensive but great sounding:  Any one of the Radio Shack Highball
mics.  $29 up to about $50.
I had to add a series cap to take out a few lows.

Carlos Ramirez <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<54ednp$[e-mail]>...
> I was wandering if anybody have heard the shure 585sa or the
> electro voice-634a how do they compare to the mc-90 by kenwood? I use the
> mc-90 on a  kenwood 450!!
> I want a mic that has a bassy and clean modulation. I heard heil with
both
> heads, mc-60, shure-444 ,they are ok but don't impress me at all. Any
> ideas?
> Thanks in Advance .
> Carlos
>


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Healey)
Subject: Re: Pacificon '96
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Hello,
My experience was very different! I tested (and passed!) my Technician VE
exam. Having read some ARRL books and this news group, I was informed
that many hams were shy, and with some bad apples involved in jamming and
CB type broadcasts, there could be expected a certain hesitation about
unknown folks at these conventions. So I just introduced myself to a
bunch of folks! I met some great men and women with a wide varity of ham
interests and I had a lot of fun! I was invited to join some repeater
associations and given good advice on rigs and antennas. I met some
curmugeons and opininated turkeys too--just like real life! Ham radio is
really a cross section of humanity! No, it wasn't as big as a computer
convention but it felt like there was room for a newcomer. The first days
of fall brought with it the usual Bay Area weather patterns and modern
electronics are not cheap but they do everything but mix drinks--no
surprise there. I had a good time (and am anxiously awaiting my call sign, :)
)
YMMV,
73
Steve

August Miller ([e-mail]) wrote:
<snip>
: I could go on some more about this, but enough said. I'll never go to
: another Pacificon!
--
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:44 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Pacificon '96
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 00:51:56 -0500
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Jim Lowman <[e-mail]> writes:

>event doesn't seem to scale well.  Noticeably absent was Icom, for whatever

The Icom booth was directly behind the Yaesu booth.

>that some of the smaller vendors might have been there, if the event were
>held in the LA or San Diego area.  More hams might have attended for at

It would be strange indeed to hold the Pacific Division Convention in LA or
San Diego since that is the Southwest Division. Yes, more hams might have
attended if it were in LA or San Diego since those areas have a vast multiple
of the number of hams in the SF Bay Area. Cheeeeeeee.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (William J. Graham)
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Subject: Packet in Wurzburg, Germany
Date: 26 Oct 1996 20:26:53 GMT
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Would some one tell me what the digipeter freqs are for the Wurzburg
Germany area and where the "machines" are located.

I believe there is one in Gerbrunn on 440 but would like to know exact
freq.  I'm primarily interested in anything on the South or
South-West of the city.

Thanks

Bill

N5LMX/DA1WG

.
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:45 1996
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From: Bob Miller <[e-mail]>
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Jim Larson wrote:
>Hi Jim

        Try W7FG Vintage Manuals
        800 807 6146
        3300 Wayside Drive
        Bartlesville, OK 74006


> Please help me find a source for a manual/schematics for an old Allied
> model A2516 ham receiver. It is an older tube type, a kit I think.
> I have tried Sam's and Sarrio with no luck. Does anyone know some good
> sources for manuals or possibly an individual that would have a xerox
> copy available? Please forgive me if this is in an FAQ somewhere,
> I am a newbie, and this is my first "taste of ham" :)
>
> p.s. I'm hooked..........
>
> Thank you ALOT!
>
>
>            ._________________
>           /________________/|   _____
>          |                | |  /___/|
>          |______.   ._____j/  |   | |
>                 |   | |       |___|/
>         _____   |   | |        ______      _____    _____
>        /___/|   |   | |       /____/|     /____/\  /___/|
>       |   | |   |   | |       |   | |     |    \ \/   | |
>       |   |  \__|   | |       |   | |     |     \/    | |
>       \    \___/    / /       |   | |     |   \    /  | |
>         \          / /        |   | |     |   | \/ |  | |
>           \_____./_/          |___|/'     |___|/'  |__|/'
>
>   James K. Larson - [e-mail] - Junction City, Oregon


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: poor radio reception - solar flares? NCAR experts?
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In article <54roqq$qpg$[e-mail]>,
Kelvin Fedrick <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <54p77k$[e-mail]>, BLaw405 <[e-mail]> wrot
e:
>>My radio reception and TV reception has degraded somewhat over the last
>>two weeks.  This includes in the car and at home.  Have there been any
>>significant celestial ( or other ) events to account for poorer than usual
>>reception?
>
>Not likely. We're at the solar minimum (of the 11 year solar cycle), and I
>read the other day in the local newsletter (I work at NOAA space environment
>center), that we've gone 40+(?) days without so much as a sunspot, breaking
>a record set quite a while back. I think I would have heard if a flare
>occured since it's my understanding that that would be fairly unusual for
>this time in the solar cycle.
>
>BTW, NCAR primarily does atmospheric research I believe, not solar research.
>
>-kelvin

I'm a HAM. Last night (10/24) 10 meter band was open for first time in weeks.
Could have been due to electromagnetic storm on sun. Don't know.


--
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:50:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen J. Mahler)
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Subject: portable repeater
Date: 27 Oct 1996 16:37:26 GMT
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I know that at least one company makes a kit to tie two 'regular' hts or
mobiles together to make a temporary repeater.  Its just a vox, IDer, and PTT.

I've seen a flyer from at least one company, but can locate it now.

If you know a URL / email address / telephone number  for a company that makes

a kit like this please email    [e-mail]    .... thanks!

... Steve  KF5VH


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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
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Brian A. Berard <[e-mail]> writes:

>I don't ever remember Ham Radio being like this before. Is this what
>Ham Radio has become? If so, it's future doesn't look too bright.

Hi Brian, where in the world did you get the idea that netnews
is ham radio? It is something else entirely. The hams here
on netnews have the choice of reading/writing netnews or
being on the radio. Each medium holds its own special
attraction.

>Now getting back to the code issue. Perhaps if a certain small band of
>freqs could be set aside, many more like myself could practice code in
>a real world environment at a low power and we also could become Hams

This has been done. It's called the novice license. Assuming you are
serious about wanting to learn Morse code, the 5wpm novice
requirement is slow enough that a motivated person can learn
to copy in a few hours. Try copying QSOs on the novice CW bands
for awhile and then take the test. Bet you pass.

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC


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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
Date: 26 Oct 1996 22:23:26 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian A. Berard) writes:
>Hello All,
>I am a non Ham who's been a technichian for 23 years and I've been
>reading these threads for awhile now. I work for the FAA on
>Naviagational Aids, Communications, Arts/Radar Facilities etc....
>I own a Drake R-8 receiver and enjoy it immensely.
>Ive been wanting to get into HF for a long time as I get a great
>thrill from talking to people all over  the world.
>I've tried the tapes and using a heath kit paddle keyer but somehow it
>just doesn't cut the mustard! --)) I really wish there was a tiny
>portion of a HF band where i could practice low power live time real
>code. I feel that this would help me tremedously to get up to speed. I
(snip)
>It's just that all my life I and many others want to be a Ham and
>assist others in times of need. Im not interested in VHF/UHF, 2 meters
>etc... I prefer HF  privliges and the Code has been a big stopper for
>many of us out there. As far as the elimination of the code. Im not
>for this, ironic as it sounds. I would just like an environment that
>would allow me to practice it in a real world environment and make
>actual contact to get me and others past this barrier.

Brian,

The point that we no-code advocates are making and fighting for is that
you and the thousands and thousands of technical professionals like you
should not *have* to pass a code test ...

The theory and rules/regs writtent test is all that is relevant to today
.. code is no longer relevant as a test requirment ... if you want to
lear the code and use it, fine, but you should not be forced to use it
nor barred from HF because you may have no interest in or natural
ability for the code ...

Your observation that it's an old boy, keep-'em out mechanism is quite
accurate ...  we want to change that ... you might want to consider
hanging around and participating in the discussions here for the
purpose of exposing the pro-coders to your views ... it may not do any
good, but at least you'll get a better feel for which side you wish to
support in the comming battle for change and modernization ...

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 22:55:10 -0700
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Brian A. Berard wrote:

> I've tried the tapes and using a heath kit paddle keyer but somehow it
> just doesn't cut the mustard! --)) I really wish there was a tiny
> portion of a HF band where i could practice low power live time real
> code. I feel that this would help me tremedously to get up to speed. I

> for this, ironic as it sounds. I would just like an environment that
> would allow me to practice it in a real world environment and make
> actual contact to get me and others past this barrier. I get excited
> just thinking about making contacts via CW.
> [e-mail]

You know, I've wondered about the same thing. It seems that the codeless
techs should have some CW spectrum, maybe share the nov/tech subbands.
It would be a perfect place to make contacts and practice CW at the same
time. I've worked with a lot of newcomers on 2 meters CW, and it just
isn't the same as real HF contacts. It would be a lot more fun if they
could switch their rig on any time of day or night and call CQ, knowing
that someone is out there...somewhere. Those of us who work CW know that
on-the-air contacts are the best practice there is, and much better than
listening to a tape.


--
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
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In article <[e-mail]>,
        Brian A. Berard <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I've tried the tapes and using a heath kit paddle keyer but somehow it
>just doesn't cut the mustard! --)) I really wish there was a tiny
>portion of a HF band where i could practice low power live time real

Hi Brian,

Why not call the ARRL and find out the name of a local club in your
area. I'm sure there will be dozens of amateurs there willing to sit
down with you and a couple of practice oscillators sending code back
and forth. While not as good as "being on the air" it will still
give you the capability of practicing.

In the meantime, why not study for your codeless tech license. 50
question multiple-choice test. Once you get your tech license,
you can operate on every amateur band above 30mhz (99% of all
available amateur spectrum is above 30mhz) with full power. You
can even operate CW on some of those bands, to practice your code
speed even more! One doesn't have to have a coded license to use
code on the air!


MD
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 01:30:40 GMT
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[e-mail] (Brian A. Berard) wrote:

> I really wish there was a tiny
>portion of a HF band where i could practice low power live time real
>code. I feel that this would help me tremedously to get up to speed. I
>think if I were able to do this that  I would progress in no time to
>the point where I could take the tests required for my License. It's
>NOT the Technical questions that I have a hard time with, it is the
>Code. Which is why Im writing this post!

There is. With a novice license, you are allowed to practice code on
several HF bands, in the novice portion of those bands.

>I fire up my Drake to listen I hear every foul word thats been ever
>spoken!
>I don't ever remember Ham Radio being like this before. Is this what
>Ham Radio has become?

Pay close attention to the call signs of the stations you hear on HF using
all this foul language.  I don't think it's a refection of what the hobby has
become, I think it's a reflection of what the society in the country they live
in has become.

73, Jim KH2D




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From: Bernie Skoch <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
Date: 27 Oct 1996 01:37:38 GMT
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[e-mail] (Brian A. Berard) wrote:
> I really wish there was a tiny
>portion of a HF band where i could practice low power live time real
>code.
>What happened to those days of Professional courtesys and attitudes?
>When a prospective newbie monitors these groups it sounds like a bunch
>of two year olds whom yield verbal assaults on one each other.
>Mindless threads and personal attacks.
>I really dont think it's that bad but those and you know who you are
>need to get your act together and start acting like professionals out
>there in what was once a Truely RESPECTED Hobby not just by Hams
>themselves but by the public who tune in Daily to the many frequencies
>in use.
>
>For you others that attack other people, insult down to a very
>personal level and practice your foul mouths you are a Sad Reflection
>on the Ham Radio Service!
>Sincerly,
>Brian
Brian,
  I echo the comment someone else made regarding your desire for a
slice of spectrum; there is such a portion of HF--it's called the Novice
bands.
  There are some who say they can't learn the code.  I can't judge them,
but I happen to believe darned near anyone can learn it (my 15, 14 and 10
year-old sons have their Tech+ license and are almost to General).  You
can too, I'll bet!  Get your Novice license (an extremely easy theory and
rules test, and a simple 5 wpm morse code test) and you can get on the
air and have great fun.  And you're right, your speed will go up as you
operate more and more.
  My opinion (and I know there are many who disagree) is that the code
is a reasonable test that just about anyone can master if they
want to.  And I like having some sort of "filter" that makes people
work for the privilege of operating on the public airwaves.  In a strange
way, I wouldn't mind if the test would be completely irrelevant to
current radio practices, so long as it was something people had to work
for.  Some argue CW is no longer relevant; that's okay with me.  The
theory tests have gotten so very easy (all of the questions are leglly
published) that it doesn't take much to memorize the offered answers.
  I apologize for my ham radio mates here who are rude and insulting.  I
agree with your assesment of their behavior.  It's an embarassment to the
hobby.  Regardless of which side of any issue they might be on, I believe
as you suggest that they bring discredit to the hobby when they are
vulgar and downright nasty to one another.  Please don't judge the state
of the hobby by their behavior.  Most hams I've met are very nice people
who are similarly offended.
   Interestingly, I find the most politeness on CW.  Maybe it's because
folks talk in "code" and are so brief.  But whatever the reason, I think
you might like it.  Ham radio is a reflection of society (more or less),
so you'll find good eggs and bad alike here.
   If you live in Hawaii, I'll be gald to help you get a license.  If you
live elsewhere, you might be able to get the name of a ham radio club
from the ARRL, or your local Radio Shack just might know a ham or two
who could help you.
   Let us know how we can help you.
73,
Bernie Skoch, NH6I
Honolulu




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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
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In article <[e-mail]>, Dave Hockaday  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>You know, I've wondered about the same thing. It seems that the codeless
>techs should have some CW spectrum, maybe share the nov/tech subbands.

You do. You have a CW slice on 50mhz and another on 144mhz.

Not to mention that the fact you haven't passed a code test does not
mean you cannot operate code whereever you have operating privileges.

MD
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Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
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[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:
>[e-mail] (Brian A. Berard) wrote:
>
>> I really wish there was a tiny
>>portion of a HF band where i could practice low power live time real
>>code. I feel that this would help me tremedously to get up to speed. I
>>think if I were able to do this that  I would progress in no time to
>>the point where I could take the tests required for my License. It's
>>NOT the Technical questions that I have a hard time with, it is the
>>Code. Which is why Im writing this post!
>
>There is. With a novice license, you are allowed to practice code on
>several HF bands, in the novice portion of those bands.
>
>73, Jim KH2D
>
>
Jim is correct.  You must also realize that CW is workable on ANY ham
band!  With a reasonable setup on VHF/UHF you can work stations for 50
miles around (more or less of course).  Of course you can beg/borrow/steal
(theft is *not* recommended) a receiver and copy W1AW and a host of other
stations without transmitting at all.  Sending code is much easier than
receiving, so practice receiving!  Good luck, Al WQ0J




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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Pro Code and No Code Debate
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In article <54u1rt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>       Brian A. Berard <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>I've tried the tapes and using a heath kit paddle keyer but somehow it
>>just doesn't cut the mustard! --)) I really wish there was a tiny
>>portion of a HF band where i could practice low power live time real
>
>Hi Brian,
>
>Why not call the ARRL and find out the name of a local club in your
>area. I'm sure there will be dozens of amateurs there willing to sit
>down with you and a couple of practice oscillators sending code back
>and forth. While not as good as "being on the air" it will still
>give you the capability of practicing.
>
>In the meantime, why not study for your codeless tech license. 50
>question multiple-choice test. Once you get your tech license,
>you can operate on every amateur band above 30mhz (99% of all
>available amateur spectrum is above 30mhz) with full power. You
>can even operate CW on some of those bands, to practice your code
>speed even more! One doesn't have to have a coded license to use
>code on the air!

Indeed. Excellent advice. The only two Morse exclusive sub-bands
in all of amateur radio are available to the Tech (50.0-50.1 MHz
and 144.0-144.1 MHz). Get on there and use Morse to your heart's
content, no code speed test needed, except the one you have to
pass on the air every time you operate (and frankly that's the
only one that should matter).

Gary
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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Pro-code agenda ??? Hogwash...
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> So you never have had any understanding of your obligations under Part
> 97.1???

I understand a lot more than you think. I know this is a service, but it's als
o a
hobby. You don't know me or my contributions to amateur radio, but I can say t
hat for
the last 22 years I have given until it hurts, and sometimes beyond. I've gone

WAY out of my way to help newcomers, taught countless ham radio classes (even
multiple general class classes and novice/speed CW classes), administered 100'
s of
amateur exams, etc. However, there are no obligations that say I have to spend
 time
developing your latest fade-resistant high-speed HF modem technologies (on a b
and
where the baud rate is limited by law...). I _KNOW_ how easy it really is to w
ork
within the current system and upgrade, and I don't feel that it's hampering th
e
development of emerging technologies.


> >I submit that the "drop code" movement is simply on par with
> >the instant gratification mindset that seems to run rampant these days.
> No, it's more like "Get your backward, unnecessary roadblocks out of our
> way and let us do some useful work here ..."

Right...fill up the bands with voice ops, "kicker back". What kind of hi-tech
CFR 47
Sec. 97.1 work on the HF spectrum are you screaming about?


> >BTW, I know several codeless techs in the area who are involved in
> >developing new technologies, building modern equipment, etc. The codeless
> >license does exactly what you ask for...allows them access to everything
> >above 50 mhz where they can experiment until their heart's content. The
> >fact that they don't have access to _everything_ hasn't even slowed them
> >down.
> Oh, yeah?  How do you propose that they develop and test the latest
> fade-resistant high-speed HF modem technologies without access to the HF
> fading channel???
> It's bogus to say that 50MHz and up is "all anyone should need" ... it's
> more like "that's all you want to grudgingly give them"

Pffftttt...do you realize that most any of the VHF/UHF/SHF bands have more ava
ilable
spectrum than all of the HF allocations put together? This arguement still sou
nds like
"I want it _all_, I want it the easy way, and I want it right now_"...


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In <[e-mail]>, Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]> writes:
>Carl Stevenson wrote:
>> Please read this in its entirety ... it starts out a bit slow, but Jim<snip
..snip...snip snip snip>
>
>Blah, Blah, blah....OK..whatever. New technology, CW worthiness debates,
>holding generation X back, etc., etc...whew. CW may be old hat by today's
>standards, but it's fun and _POLITE_. I work CW because I don't have to
>hear this kind of stuff, just friendly rag-chews and DXing.
>
>I'm didn't become a ham to try and develop a new communications
>method/mode, I'm became a ham because it's fun and relaxing (at least on
>the digital modes). None of this noise. I can restore old gear, operate
>AM (!!) if I like (where people are also very friendly!), work DX, etc..

So you never have had any understanding of your obligations under Part
97.1???

>I submit that the "drop code" movement is simply on par with
>the instant gratification mindset that seems to run rampant these days.

No, it's more like "Get your backward, unnecessary roadblocks out of our
way and let us do some useful work here ..."

>BTW, I know several codeless techs in the area who are involved in
>developing new technologies, building modern equipment, etc. The codeless
>license does exactly what you ask for...allows them access to everything
>above 50 mhz where they can experiment until their heart's content. The
>fact that they don't have access to _everything_ hasn't even slowed them
>down.

Oh, yeah?  How do you propose that they develop and test the latest
fade-resistant high-speed HF modem technologies without access to the HF
fading channel???

It's bogus to say that 50MHz and up is "all anyone should need" ... it's
more like "that's all you want to grudgingly give them"

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Pro-code agenda ??? Hogwash...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 18:10:07 GMT
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Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]> wrote:

Dave's comments and my follow-up can be found
in rec.radio.amateur.policy


Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Q: No Code - Know Everything Else
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 15:42:21 GMT
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On 23 Oct 1996 23:09:37 GMT, [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:

>
>A "long long time ago" when you were first licensed as a novice and
>tubes were still the way things were built for the most part, the CW
>requirement was a lot more relevant than it is today.  Today's
>technology is different ... just as tubes are passe, so is the Morse
>code ... both are irrelevant in today's world of VLSI integration,
>digital signal processing, computers, and the internet ...
>

Well Carl, judging from your call I would assume that you received
your ticket a few years before I received mine, some time in the
mid-to-late sixties perhaps? VLSI integration, DSP etc. were all in
the future. Computers were around but there is little comparision
between the IBM Call-360 OS and DOS. There were intranets but these
were primarially government and defense contractor oriented. And as
you say CW was a lot more relevant.

Whether your first ticket was a novice or a technician, the
requirement still included a 5 wpm send and receive test. Solid copy
was required too. Many spent the year of their novice license on 2 mtr
AM never attempting to improve their code skills on the HF segments.
When the year was up, the many of the ones that studied the general
class theory became technicians while for the rest CB beckoned.

Since CW was more relevant what was yout excuse then? It certainly
wasn't outdated then. Was it just too much work to put forth the
effort then?

73 de n4jvp/4
Fritz




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From: [e-mail] (Steve  - KF2TI (Landing, NJ))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Q: No Code - Know Everything Else
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 12:15:22 -0500
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In article <5503mc$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
> I moved radpidly

RAPIDLY  still trying to figure what rad pidly means

from Novice to Technician (full general theory at the
> FCC office) ... because I was employed at the time in the design of VHF
> marine radio gear and was involved with a bunch of VHF/UHF hams in
> building repeaters etc ... I them moved on to packet radio and
> satellite.
>
> I have worked HF to the limits of my license and for two years that I
> lived in Mexico, enjoyed full HF privs as XE2/WA6VSE ... SSB was fun,
> but I didn't have a chance to do any of the development work I want ot

gess Carl  TO  TEE OH  that's not a hard word to spell
is it???
>
> Don't try to equate "I've got better things to do with my time than
> learn Morse code." with "I'm lazy."  That is a typical pro-code tactic
> .. tell everyone that they're too lazy and don't deserve anything, just
> because they're not interested in the code ... that's hogwash ...
> noarrow
NARROW  No ARROW means that your quiver is empty,
you've shot your last bolt....

-
>
> If the priveleges

PRIVILEDGES   you'd never pass faster code anyway,
you'd make toooooo many spelling mistakes

>
> And THAT hurts ham radio ...
>

so does insulting everyone like you do


> Carl - wa6vse
KING of TROLLS PRINCE of FEEBS


> [e-mail]
>
>
>
>
>

--
Steve - KF2TI (Advanced Class & Damned Proud of IT!)
ARRL LIFE MEMBER

No Code or Know Code...Who Cares??

How can you be in Two Places at Once When You're
Not Anywhere at All??


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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Spafford)
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Subject: Re: QSL cards:
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 14:57:13 GMT
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On 23 Oct 1996 04:33:15 GMT willard zerbe wrote in
rec.radio.amateur.misc:

>Would someone please post a good source for mail order QSL cards.
>Thanks,  Willard,  KA7ACK

If you can get a copy of QST or other Ham publication there are tons
of ads for QSL cards.




73, de Chuck Spafford
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:07 1996
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From: Gene Shablygin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL cards:
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 11:49:55 -0500
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willard zerbe wrote:
>
> Would someone please post a good source for mail order QSL cards.
> Thanks,  Willard,  KA7ACK

Try WX9X. Good quality, reasonable price, friendly service.
You can order the cards on the WEB.

73 Gene AB5GY / RA3AA


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:07 1996
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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL cards:
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:02:33 -0700
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willard zerbe wrote:
> Would someone please post a good source for mail order QSL cards.

Hi Willard, what I do is create my own with PC drawing software.
Then print out 4 per page using an 8.5x11 Avery Laser Label.
Cut out the 4 and attach each to a 20 cent US postal card. It's
almost something for nothing.

73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:08 1996
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From: Jim O'Connell <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: QSL cards:
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willard zerbe wrote:
>
> Would someone please post a good source for mail order QSL cards.
> Thanks,  Willard,  KA7ACK

WX9X has a web site and great prices!!
http://www.qth.com/wx9x/


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:09 1996
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From: Gianluca Mazzini <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: QSL INFO via E-MAIL
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:21:53 +0000
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Hello,
since 1995 I am running a QSL updatable server on
http://www-dx.deis.unibo.it/htlzh/

Now the system can be accessed also by e-mail
by sending message to:
[e-mail]
The subject must be your e-mail address or the
e-mail address of the person that must receive
the information.

The system permitts to give more command on each
mail. The first command you can try is:
help
that explain the various functions.

The system is under test, so please try it, stress it,
and report me comments, suggests and problems.

Best 73 de IK4LZH
GIANLUCA


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Work)
Subject: Re: Receiving traffic helicopter signals?
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Armando Stettner ([e-mail]) wrote:

: If it is microwave, I suspect it is pretty directional.  However, I
: suspect that it is microwave....

Not necessarily.  If it's in a flying helicopter, it would be quite
expensive to have an antenna on some type of motorized platform which
would keep it aimed at the home base while in flight.  IMO, it would be
more practical just to broadcast the signal omnidirectionally.




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:11 1996
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Subject: Re: Receiving traffic helicopter signals?
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 17:16:00 -0700
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gary sellani wrote:
>
> Steve Work wrote:
> >
> > Armando Stettner ([e-mail]) wrote:
> >
> > : If it is microwave, I suspect it is pretty directional.  However, I
> > : suspect that it is microwave....
> >
> > Not necessarily.  If it's in a flying helicopter, it would be quite
> > expensive to have an antenna on some type of motorized platform which
> > would keep it aimed at the home base while in flight.  IMO, it would be
> > more practical just to broadcast the signal omnidirectionally.

Nope, they are directional antennas and they are microwave. A number of
companies manufacture them with radomes over the antenna though, so you
cant see the moving parts. On the tower, usually the broadcast tower, the
receive antenna also tracks the helicopter. Its quite a complex system
with control equipment that keeps the two antennas aligned.


>
> The traffic helicoptors in the SF Bay Area are found between 450 and 451
> MHZ. KGO is 450.2125MHZ.

Your thinking of the Radio broadcast. Or perhaps the tv audio from the
cameraman is sent on the 450 frequencies. All the video is up in the M/W
portion.

--
--------------------------------------------
The Canadian Broadcast Directory
and Broadcast Engineering Page:
http://www.interlog.com/~jmckay
Southern Ontario Storm Chasers/Canwarn Page:
http://www.interlog.com/~jmckay/chaser.htm
--------------------------------------------


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:13 1996
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From: Chris <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Receiving traffic helicopter signals?
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As far as recieving from the helecopters, first thing you have to find
out what frequency band they are operating in.  Usually they are near
the MDS (1900-2200 MHz), or they may be in the 7GHz band.  They may
either have syncronous antennas which track the recieving site or they
may run omni and the recieving site tracks the transmitted signal.
Their power is usually under 15 watts, and being microwave it IS line of
sight.  The video modulation is FM as are the audio carriers, usually
6.2 and 6.8 MHz, some have special subcarriers for other data.  Basiclly
they use the same equipment as the ENG trucks on the street and have to
share the same 2 bands with them.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:15 1996
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From: [e-mail](Chet Doboe )
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>Chet:
>
>You posted this in at least 30 arbitrary and unrelated newsgroups.
This
>is called spamming, and is very extremely rude in terms of Internet
>etiquette.
>
>Please stop now and don't do this again. I'm writing you in the hopes
>that you're simply clueless and not a habitual spammer. If I thought
>otherwise, I would send my complaint to your service provider. When a
>service provider gets over a thousand or so complaints about one
>account, they tend to figure that that account is not worth the
trouble,
>and that account tends to go away. That's how this Internet thing
works;
>you have been warned.
>
>--dan fox


Dear folks,  Just a quick note to say that I only posted my note to a
Drum Corps user group and Percussion user group...(Sounds logical?---it
was a drumming event announced). I have no clue how my post could be
posted to user groups that are------  irrelevent to my to my subject
matter------ user groups for the most part that I have no personal
interest in --and many groups that I didn't even know existed

I think somebody is somehow using my access or something.  I find this
whole mess very depressing.  I would appogize, but honestly I have no
clue as to how I could be responible for these multiple posts to sites
that have no relevance to my topic.(none of these groups are in my
address book)  I do regret that so many people are upset, but I assure
you that I AM NOT in any way knowingly resposnible. I do feel very
depressed about this situation, and I hope you all can be compassionate
about my predicament..

                                        Sincerely
                                            Chet Doboe
>


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:15 1996
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RS-10/11 Help
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
From: Fraser Bonnett <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:47:39 -0400
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Anyone with RS-10/11 experience:

        I am having no luck working RS-10/11.  I'm using a dipole for receive
and can hear the beacon with no problem.  For the uplink I'm using an
old ICOM 2m all mode running 15 or 100 watts (I've tried both) into an
M2 EB-144 eggbeater antenna.

        When I try to send cw on the robot uplink I hear nothing on the
downlink frequency.  When I just try to send "dits" somewhere in the cw
passband still I hear nothing.

        The radio receives local packet FM and SSB on this antenna, and it has
the ground plane option which is supposed to enhanced the signal pattern
straight up.

 a) Is my power too low or too high?
 b) Is there another satellite with a 2m VHF downlink I can listen for,
to test the antenna?

 Any help would be appreciated.

Fraser   N3VSM     [e-mail]


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----------
From:   Brian K. Short[SMTP:[e-mail]]
Sent:   Sunday, October 27, 1996 5:15 PM
To:     'BitBucket'
Subject:        FW: New RTTY Contest Reflector

[e-mail] is the subscription for the replacement/new
RTTY contest reflector.  Subscribe as shown below...

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join rtty-contest



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:17 1996
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From: [e-mail](Stanley D Gruver)
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Subject: Satellite Receiver for sale !!!!!!!!!
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Toshiba TRX 80 Receiver/IRD with VC2+ descrambler $275.00
VC2+ descrambler $150.00

I have other stuff for sale, actuator, lnb, feedhorn also.

Thanks

E-mail inquiries please.



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In article <5501n3$[e-mail]>, Stanley D Gruver
<[e-mail]> writes
>
>Toshiba TRX 80 Receiver/IRD with VC2+ descrambler $275.00
>VC2+ descrambler $150.00
>
>I have other stuff for sale, actuator, lnb, feedhorn also.
>
>Thanks
>
>E-mail inquiries please.
>

Any Ku band scalar horn feeds available?


---
Simon Lewis GM4PLM
Email:  [e-mail]
Packet: GM4PLM @ GB7SAN


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:19 1996
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From: Alex Schapira <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.electronics.equipment,sci.electronics.repair
Subject: Schematic/manual for Precision Sig. Gen E-200
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:14:16 -0400
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I am looking for a schematic or complete manual for a Precision
Signal Generator model E-200. Willing to copy yours, or pay for
copying.  Thanks.
        -Al Schapira
         [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
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What ever happened to DMSO?  It was big for something in the 1980's.
--
I only check this account on weekends.
For faster service, use my juno account.
Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:21 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SDP-600 Personal Autopatch by ZETEL
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:23:00 GMT
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I own a ZETEL SDP-600 personal autopatch that I picked up used at a
hamfest.  The guy guaranteed it to work and gave me all the
information including the original operation manual.  In various
articles I have seen in 73, QST, Radio and several other Ham radio
related publications, it states in the advertisement that the unit is
'immune to power failures' via an EEPROM chip.

I can program the unit without any difficulty, but when the power goes
out... so does the programming information.  I need to re-enter all of
the security codes, the ID, etc. etc.  Does anyone have a clue as to
why this is happening?  Other than this, the unit functions fine.

Please respond via EMAIL if possible, as I do not get half of the
posts because of my crummy ISP's servers or their feed.  Thanks.

-Dirk  N3TTI

Email:  [e-mail]

          "A seminar on time travel will be held two weeks ago..."
;)  73s




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (me)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Seeking Ham radio info (antennas)
Date: 26 Oct 1996 13:43:56 GMT
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        I'm looking for some information on some ideas for a 2 meter
antenna. My call is N3XZX.  I basically recieved a homebrewed antenna from a
gentleman in Atlantic City.  I liked the idea and tend to build a few
myself.  It's just a plain old ground plain antenna,  The one i recieved was
a quarter wave and i was wondering if there was any ideas and info for
making the same type but creating a 5/8 wave.
        I heard for a 5/8 you need to have a top hat, is this true? Also any
info on whether this 5/8 is a good antenna comparing it to the quarter wave.
 Any info would be greatly appreciated!
                                Thanks,
                                    N3XZX
                                        (Chris)
















Please carbon copy responses to [e-mail] so I don't miss
any good info



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.antenna
Subject: Re: Seeking Ham radio info (antennas)
Date: 26 Oct 1996 13:39:55 -0000
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In <54t4is$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (me) writes:

>       I'm looking for some information on some ideas for a 2 meter
>antenna. My call is N3XZX.  I basically recieved a homebrewed antenna from a
>gentleman in Atlantic City.  I liked the idea and tend to build a few
>myself.  It's just a plain old ground plain antenna,  The one i recieved was
>a quarter wave and i was wondering if there was any ideas and info for
>making the same type but creating a 5/8 wave.
>       I heard for a 5/8 you need to have a top hat, is this true? Also any
>info on whether this 5/8 is a good antenna comparing it to the quarter wave.
> Any info would be greatly appreciated!
>                               Thanks,
>                                   N3XZX
>                                       (Chris)

In addition to the excellent replies and suggestions that I'm sure
you'll get on this newsgroup, you may also wish to consult my Amateur
Radio Elmers Resource Directory:

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/

There are a number of good antenna "Elmers" listed, accessible directly
from:

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/antennas.html

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
[e-mail]
http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
Finger [e-mail] for PGP Public Key


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:25 1996
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From: altavoz <[e-mail]>
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me wrote:
>
>         I'm looking for some information on some ideas for a 2 meter
> antenna. My call is N3XZX.  I basically recieved a homebrewed antenna from a
> gentleman in Atlantic City.  I liked the idea and tend to build a few
> myself.  It's just a plain old ground plain antenna,  The one i recieved was
> a quarter wave and i was wondering if there was any ideas and info for
> making the same type but creating a 5/8 wave.
>         I heard for a 5/8 you need to have a top hat, is this true? Also any
> info on whether this 5/8 is a good antenna comparing it to the quarter waveN
3XZX Chris

altavoz: No hat required for 5/8 w. A 5/8w is much better for vert'
omni directional than 1/4w . Same coil for 1/4w but tapped a little
different . Radials must be 180 degrees, straight down, with
"wiskers" ( going down 1/4w from feed point, some 1/4w radials at
45 degree angle...they form a cone ).
  A hat on 5/8 w will effect the pattern , try it.
For more gain, put a hairpin ( <1/4w shorted stub) on top of 5/8 then
another 5/8w vert on top of that . Or the whole ant' a 5/4w and a
colinear stub pointing down ( open end down , at the 5/8 w point)
Coax up thru "tube" Radial system.
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:26 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Service Manual needed for Singer fm10cs service monitor
Date: 23 Oct 1996 02:16:05 GMT
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Hi! I am looking for a service manual for an  old fm10cs Singer service manual
 that has a defective synthetiser...
If anyone can help, I am willing to pay for mail or photocopies.
Help will be very appreciated, reach me on e-mail or by phone at 418-839-4846
in the evening.

Best regards.

Serge Berube  ve2bpu .
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Armstrong)
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Subject: Setting freq. on HTX-212
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 16:49:48 GMT
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I'm looking for a copy of the service manual for the 212, or if you
have one, could you tell me the procedure for adjusting the
transmit/recieve frequencies, or at least where the adjustment is
located.  Any help with this would be much appreciated, as I think my
212 must be more than 2500 Hz off frequency.

Thanks,
Brad.



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: shall we adopt the standard USENET advertising policy?
Date: 24 Oct 1996 05:08:45 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brian Kantor <brian@nothing> wrote:
>Shall we adopt the standard USENET advertising policy in this group,
>or should it remain as it is now - no advertising of any kind welcome.
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Advertising Policy:
>
>Following standard Usenet guidelines, the newsgroup is not intended to
>be used for commercial advertising, solicitation, or marketing of
>products or services.  However, announcements of products or services
>directly relevant to the newsgroup with be permitted, but only in the
>following circumstances:
>
>-The product is new or has undergone substantial change
>-The posting is clearly marked as an announcement by prefixing the
>subject line with the tag, "ANNOUNCE:"
>-The posting is brief and contains no marketing hype.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>               - Brian


There is already a forum for the sale, purchase and exchange of radio
equipment - rec.radio.swap.  There should ne no need to advertise here as
well.

73,

Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1 (soon W1??)
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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brian@nothing (Brian Kantor) wrote:

>Shall we adopt the standard USENET advertising policy in this group,
>or should it remain as it is now - no advertising of any kind welcome.

>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Advertising Policy:

>Following standard Usenet guidelines, the newsgroup is not intended to
>be used for commercial advertising, solicitation, or marketing of
>products or services.  However, announcements of products or services
>directly relevant to the newsgroup with be permitted, but only in the
>following circumstances:

>-The product is new or has undergone substantial change
>-The posting is clearly marked as an announcement by prefixing the
>subject line with the tag, "ANNOUNCE:"
>-The posting is brief and contains no marketing hype.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>               - Brian

I think we should do like all the other newsgroups. Let everybody post
whatever they want to post.  If the above is SOP for Usenet, you have
a few thousand people who post daily that haven't read it yet.

How do you make everyone aware of the above ? Do you post it every
day ?

I think the whole atmosphere would change here if people would start
doing selective reading, instead of reading everything and complaining
about having just read something they didn't want to read.

Don't shoot the posters, shoot the readers......

73, Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: shall we adopt the standard USENET advertising policy?
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Rich & Katy Mulvey ([e-mail]) wrote:

:    Sure, and we'll end up with even less of a signal-to-noise
: ratio than we have now.   It can *ONLY* get worse as we get more
: and more neophyte USENET readers who don't bother to learn even
: the basics of what is expected on USENET.

Well, it *has* been a few months since we had this flamewar. <sigh>

:    No, you send a copy of it to posters who violate the convention.
: Yes, they may receive a few hundred, or more copies.  That's known as
: a "learning experience."  The rational poster will then realize that
: there are social conventions that should be observed in USENET,
: just as in face-to-face conversations.

And they will ignore you.  This is nothing new; there is a fairly low S/N on
most of the newsgroups that I read.

: the burden of weeding the chaff out on the innocent reader, instead of
: the entirely reasonable expectation that people who post will do so with
: a modicum of intelligence as to the newsgroup subject.  If I go to a lecture
: about microwave construction techniques, I have a reasonable expectation
: that the speaker will discuss stripline techniques when I get there.  If
: he starts discussing flower arranging, the audience has every right
: to boo him off the stage until he gets a clue.  Is it so unreasonable
: to expect the same, here?  Especially when we have the equivalent of
: the flower-arranging class next door, in rec.radio.swap?

I don't have any trouble identifying the posts.  The subject line usually
has a tag, such as FS: or WTB:  If I'm not interested in that particular
piece of equipment, I don't read about it.

Here's an idea:

Accept, as a given, that neither you nor any of the Usenet purists are
going to halt this practice.  After all, we've been here before, and the
posts that offend some so greatly, are still here.

Consider renaming rec.radio.swap to rec.radio.amateur.swap, since hams are
the majority population there.  Make the charter fairly broad, to include
virtually *anything* that hams might buy, sell or trade, including, but not
limited to test equipment, receivers, transmitters, transceivers, tubes,
parts, etc.

-or-

Consider creating the properly named newsgroup, rec.radio.amateur.swap.

73 de Jim - KF6CR













From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: shall we adopt the standard USENET advertising policy?
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Jim Kehler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: brian@nothing (Brian Kantor) wrote:

: >Shall we adopt the standard USENET advertising policy in this group,
: >or should it remain as it is now - no advertising of any kind welcome.

: I think we should do like all the other newsgroups. Let everybody post
: whatever they want to post.  If the above is SOP for Usenet, you have
: a few thousand people who post daily that haven't read it yet.

: I think the whole atmosphere would change here if people would start
: doing selective reading, instead of reading everything and complaining
: about having just read something they didn't want to read.

I agree with Jim.  The last time this topic came up a lengthy flamewar
ensued, and *nothing* was accomplished.  We still have a number of hams
posting FS/WTB/Trade on this newsgroup.

Suppose we do endore the standard policy...where's the enforcement?  No ISP
is going to revoke a user's account because he simply posted something
off-topic or off-charter.

If you want to place the blame, then blame whomever wanted the swap group to
be called rec.radio.swap instead of rec.radio.amateur.swap.

I endorse the selective-reading idea.  After all, the FS:/WTB: posts *are*
usually quite clearly identified by the subject line.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



















From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:34 1996
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From: Larry Makoski <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Special Event Station W2P
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:56:31 -0400
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The Piscataway Amateur Radio Club will be running a special event station
with the specially issued call W2P on Sunday October 27th until 24:00
UTC.

We are celebrating the 330th anniversary of the founding of the Township
of Piscataway, NJ.  The town was founded 16 years before Philadelphia;
and is one of the 70 oldest towns in United States history.

Look for us in the HIGHER portion of the General class phone subbands to
minimize interference with stations running in the CQWW.

73 de Larry N2ELW, PARC President

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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:35 1996
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From: "Justin M. Bodie" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Standard C5900DA Reviews......
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:18:57 -0500
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> > Anyone have any experience operating
> > the C5900DA and if so, what are the pros and cons of this rig???

The November issue of "CQ VHF" has a very good article about the unit,
but it seems to be very biased toward the positive.  Perhaps it's just
a great rig!

Justin
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Justin M. Bodie, North Dakota State University
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Website:  http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/2062/


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:35 1996
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From: Patrick Cook <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Standard C5900DA Reviews......
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Hi everyone:

I just saw the ad in the AES Catalog for the Standard C5900DA 6 meter, 2
meter and 70 cm. Tri-Bander and am thinking of getting one since I lost 6
meters when I had to sell my Kenwood TS690S.

My question is whether or not it'd be worth selling (if not trading) my
Yaesu FT-5100 Dual-Bander for it.  Anyone have any experience operating
the C5900DA and if so, what are the pros and cons of this rig???

Many thanks in advance and I look forward to hearing some thoughts on this
apparently new rig!!  :-)

73's for now my friends!!  :-)

Patrick Cook, KB0OXD
Denver, Colorado
DM79



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From: Alan Johnson <[e-mail]>
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> Anyone have any experience operating
> the C5900DA and if so, what are the pros and cons of this rig???
>

I own a C5900DA and like what I see.  I also have two Kenwood TM742's with 6 m
eter modules and feel the C5900DA
measures up very well.  The receiver on the C5900DA is not quit as hot as the
742.  However most people would
not detect the differance.  The Standard can only monitor two frequencies at a
 time, unless you are in the scan
mode.  The Standard has a built in triplexer.  THe scan modes on the C5900DA a
re the most flexible I have seen.
 The out of band receive is questionable.  I have tried to listen to local 220
 repeaters and can hear any of
them.  The only 220 signal I have heard is from my TM331 setting next to the C
5900DA.  The PTT button on the
mic takes a little getting use to.  The cross band repeat is a little strange.
  You can cross from 2 to 70cm
and from 6 to 70cm but not 2 to 6.  Both bands use the same vco and keeps this
 from working.

The BIG question....would I buy another one?   Yes, I think I would.  By the w
ay my TM742's are being used as
my 6 meter repeater (53.35 -1), serving St. Louis.

73

Alan
K9CTF


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Does anyone know the codes for TDD - teletype devices for the deaf?
Is it standard ASCII or some other code?  What speed do they use?
73 es Tnx.
I would like to use my modem on the phone with deaf friends.
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In article <54uvo8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
writes:
>
>Does anyone know the codes for TDD - teletype devices for the deaf?
>Is it standard ASCII or some other code?  What speed do they use?
>73 es Tnx.
>I would like to use my modem on the phone with deaf friends.

I seem to recall, and this is just from memory of a deaf friend's
setup long ago, that the TDD service is Baudot, similar to HF RTTY,
45.45 baud. That may have changed now with the advent of the PC.

Gary
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Burt,
Thanks for the short and eloquent listing of why CW is important.
I agree with you and all of the other proponents of the necessity and
importance of CW.
I still feel that the testing requirement of CW speeds faster than the
internationally set number is inappropriate.  Having a CW speed of 13
wpm or 20 wpm is no more meaningful than setting a minimum talking speed
or even a minimum typing speed for the packet folks.
If a high speed CWer wants to only "talk" with a fast CW "talker", so be
it.  A HAM on the phones has the same option of communicating only with
fast talkers.
Let's not use code speed as a filter in achieving higher level licenses.
Regards and --... ...--,
Bill  KO6SI

Burt Fisher wrote:
>
> WHAT IS  C W
>
> * It is a unique,intimate,concise and effective communications skill
> still employed throughout the world.
>
> * It is the most efficient mode in terms of power required for long-
> distance communication ,least susecptible to interference,and conserving
> of the radio frequency spectrum.
>
> * It involves no accent or pronunciation problems,therefore providing a
> widely understood international language.
>
> * It employs simpler,more reliable and easily maintained equipment than
> any other communications mode.
>
> * It is an equalizer,negating age,speech impediments and dialectical
> differences;it provides for ready acceptance of youngsters in an adult
> enviornment.
>
> * It is the ONLY radio communications mode that is understood readily by
> both man and machine.
>-
> #================#===================================================#
> |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
> | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
> |    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
> #================#===================================================#
>


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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
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In <[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> writes:
>WHAT IS  C W
{snipped about a dozen completely false "merits" of CW assertions)

Burt,

I know that I'll regret engaging you in "discourse," but please stop
posting your patently false bullshit about CW ... Phil Karn and other s
have debunked each and every one of the lies you posted (and have posted
several times before that I can recall ... with adequate rebuttal on
each occasion)

So, Please stop ...

I asked nicely ...

Carl - wa6vse
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K1OIK expressed the following opinions about CW:

>* It is a unique,intimate,concise and effective communications skill
>still employed throughout the world.

>* It is the most efficient mode in terms of power required for long-
>distance communication ,least susecptible to interference,and
>conserving of the radio frequency spectrum.

>* It involves no accent or pronunciation problems,therefore
>providing a widely understood international language.

>* It employs simpler,more reliable and easily maintained equipment than
>any other communications mode.

>* It is an equalizer,negating age,speech impediments and dialectical
>differences;it provides for ready acceptance of youngsters in an
>adult enviornment.

>* It is the ONLY radio communications mode that is understood
>readily by both man and machine.

WA6SVE replied:

>... please stop  posting your patently false bullshit about CW ...
> Phil Karn and other s have debunked each and every one
> of the lies you posted...

Carl,

You may certainly find reason to have a different opinion than
Mr. Fisher, but your disagreement does not make him a liar.

Gentlemen can disagree without being disagreeable.

73, de Hans, K0HB

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Carl Stevenson wrote:
>
> I know that I'll regret engaging you in "discourse," but please stop
> posting your patently false bullshit about CW ... Phil Karn and other s
> have debunked each and every one of the lies you posted (and have posted
> several times before that I can recall ... with adequate rebuttal on
> each occasion)

Bullshit? That is a naughty word. Do you not have any class?


> So, Please stop ...
>
> I asked nicely ...

You used profanity. That is nice?

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
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|This message was posted from home            [e-mail]       |
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If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
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William W. Wright ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I still feel that the testing requirement of CW speeds faster than the
: internationally set number is inappropriate.  Having a CW speed of 13

The "internationally set number"???  There is no such number.

Paragraph S25.5 (1) of the ITU radio regulations requires only that a
person seeking an amateur licence authorizing operation below 30 MHz
"...shall prove that he is able to send correctly by hand and to receive
correctly by ear texts in Morse code signals."  No speed is specified.

The basic code requirement for US hams was set at 10wpm in 1912.  It was
raised to 13wpm in 1936 to ensure that licensees had gotten beyond the
"hump" that most people hit at around 10 wpm.

73.  Jim, W6CF
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From: [e-mail] (Fabrizio Sartoni)
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Hi & TNX for reading this message.
I just want to inform you that the 5.1 version of DXHUNTER is
available on the Internet.
The URL is:
http://www.funet.fi/pub/ham/hf-work/
file name: dxh51eng.zip, size 1.1 M

This new version allows you to automatically connect to
world wide dxclusters via radio and TCP/IP gateways.
If the connection drops it's rebuilt automatically!
My connection to NO4J passes through 10 nodes and
works perfectly.
Autologin, autopassword autotelnet features are implemented.
Just read the file TCP&TIPS.TXT in \DOC for details.
An antitimeout feature allows you to stay connected even
if idle, for hours.
For further details find me at my home radio BBS:

[e-mail]
E-mail [e-mail]

My name is Fabrizio.

I'm often connected at NO4J cluster, if you wanna chat with me.
73 de Fab
IK4VYX




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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #187 (for air through 11/1/96)
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1.   FCC Discontinues Form 610R, W5YI VEC Re-initiates Paid Renewals
2.   Grove Enterprises Expo in Atlanta Successful, WA4SIR at Banquet
3.   ARRL Holds Last Board Meeting of 1996, Considers '97 Budget
4.   Gate 2 Vanity Call Signs May Go Out This Week on Random Basis
5.   New Marconi Museum in New Hampshire to Open, Seeks Titanic Gear
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10.  New Version of STSORBIT PLUS Released by Author
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13.  Weekly Propagation Forecast
14.  Clinton Campaigns for "Internet II", Free Hook-up for Schools
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Here's a simple solution for anti-coders who want HF privs without
learning the code. Go get yourself an 11m rig, no license needed. You can
operate there to your heart's content on either AM of SSB with complete
assurance that you'll never hear any old farts pounding the brass there.
Heck, if you live near a big city you are almost certain to hear all
sorts of digitized noises there...  At any rate, it will sound more or
less exactly the same as the Ham HF bands would if every anti-coder got
their wish....

<STATIC BURST>Breaker One Nine, Carl, got your ears on?<MIKE
SQUEAL><STATIC BURST>

On the other hand, if you spent half as much time working on your code as
you did whining about it you'd be on HF already...

David J Brooks - KC5WNK
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David J
Brooks) writes:
>Here's a simple solution for anti-coders who want HF privs without
>learning the code. Go get yourself an 11m rig, no license needed. You can
>operate there to your heart's content on either AM of SSB with complete
>assurance that you'll never hear any old farts pounding the brass there.
>Heck, if you live near a big city you are almost certain to hear all
>sorts of digitized noises there...  At any rate, it will sound more or
>less exactly the same as the Ham HF bands would if every anti-coder got
>their wish....
>
><STATIC BURST>Breaker One Nine, Carl, got your ears on?<MIKE
>SQUEAL><STATIC BURST>
>
>On the other hand, if you spent half as much time working on your code as
>you did whining about it you'd be on HF already...


David,

First, I know and use proper o[erating proceedures on HF ... your
implication that anyone who doesn't have interest in CW is a "CBer" and
acts like one is absurd and insulting, not just to me, but to anyone
with intelligence who doesn't give a damn o-about CW ... and there are
LOTS of us ...

Secondly, I am not a masochist ... I'd much rather work and get the
rules changed than submit to your hazing ritual ...

Carl - wa6vse
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In article <54s1ff$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>First, I know and use proper o[erating proceedures on HF ... your

That's "operating" ------------^^^


>implication that anyone who doesn't have interest in CW is a "CBer" and
>acts like one is absurd and insulting, not just to me, but to anyone

After insulting the entire amateur community that participates in
contesting and DXing, you have the gall to say that your feelings get
hurt if someone calls you a CBer?

That's pretty funny.


>Secondly, I am not a masochist ... I'd much rather work and get the
>rules changed than submit to your hazing ritual ...

Fortunately for us Carl, you're nothing but a wind-bag and do nothing
but go around stomping your feet.

MD
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David J Brooks)
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Subject: RE: to beep or not to beep
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>From: [e-mail] (Carl Stevenson)
>Subject: to beep or not to beep
>First, I know and use proper o[erating proceedures on HF ... your
>implication that anyone who doesn't have interest in CW is a "CBer"
>and acts like one is absurd and insulting, not just to me, but to anyone

>with intelligence who doesn't give a damn o-about CW ... and there are
>LOTS of us ...

Interesting to hear the words "absurd" and "insulting" coming from your
keyboard Carl...  usually you only provide examples of the above. If, as
you say, you know and  use the proper proceedures on HF, your behaviour
in this group certainly dosn't reflect it. Frankly, I don't care one
"dit" whether you like CW or not, of more concern to me is your open
hostility to those who do.

>Secondly, I am not a masochist ... I'd much rather work and get the
>rules changed than submit to your hazing ritual ...

I'm not sure I would call endless berating of this NG with your indolent
tripe "work". Sounds a lot more like whining to me. Again, if you spent
half that much effort working on the code, you could just forget about it
and enjoy your HF privs. This is not my "hazing ritual", it is the FCC
requirement. Has been since long before I was born. Get used to it and
move on. Learning code is not that difficult.. 5 year olds have done it,
deaf people have done it, should be a peice of cake for a self-proclaimed
 RF wizard like yourself. The only thing holding you back is your own "I
want it now" attitude.

David J Brooks - KC5WNK
[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:55 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: to beep or not to beep
Date: 27 Oct 1996 17:06:34 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David J
Brooks) writes:
>
>Interesting to hear the words "absurd" and "insulting" coming from your
>keyboard Carl...  usually you only provide examples of the above. If, as
>you say, you know and  use the proper proceedures on HF, your behaviour
>in this group certainly dosn't reflect it.

Why, because I refuse to continue to eat shit at the pro-code trough?
I know how to behave on the air .. this is not "on the air" it's the
internet, and it's acceptable to argue, even vigorously, here ...

>Frankly, I don't care one
>"dit" whether you like CW or not, of more concern to me is your open
>hostility to those who do.

TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND IF THAT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOU >>>
THIS IS *MOST* SINCERE AND HONEST >>>
I'm NOT hostile to those who like CW ... I'm hostile to those who insist
on craming it down EVERYONE's throats and telling them they're lazy,
good-for-nothing, not-worth-to-call-themselves-hams if they don't lap it
up and say "more, please, more" ...

This comes from two decades of having a bunch of holier-than-thou
assholes and jerks, many of whom don't even know Ohm's law or how to
build an oscillator or how to use an oscilloscope or spectrum analyzer
or how to solder properly, look down their noses at me and other
technical professionals who have made significant contributions to the
radio art far beyond current ham technology and having them tell us
"You're no good because you don't do code" and being artificially and
unfairly locked out of the HF bands by these same backward, bigoted
views ...

>>Secondly, I am not a masochist ... I'd much rather work and get the
>>rules changed than submit to your hazing ritual ...
>
>I'm not sure I would call endless berating of this NG with your indolent
>tripe "work".

The work is in organizing people and opinion to get the rules changed
.. don't delude yourself into thinking that what you see here is all
that's going on ...  and the comments are far more in favor of what I
say than against ... and e-mail is 10:1 in favor ... the bulk of
negative here comes from about 5 people who say the same crap over and
over and over again ... but of the newcomers, it's mostly favorable ...

>Again, if you spent
>half that much effort working on the code, you could just forget about it
>and enjoy your HF privs.

Ah, yes, the old "just knuckle under and get it over with" plea ...
again, I'd rather get the rules changed to be more modern and reasonable
..

>This is not my "hazing ritual", it is the FCC
>requirement. Has been since long before I was born. Get used to it and
>move on.

Yes, it's long-since outdated ... time to change it ...

>The only thing holding you back is your own "I want it now" attitude.

No, the only thing holding me and others back is a set of ridiculous,
outdated, backward, counter-productive rules that need to be changed.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: to beep or not to beep
Date: 27 Oct 1996 16:48:17 -0500
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Yep folks, another entry for the Count The Carl Quips Contest:


In article <5504qq$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS WITH AN OPEN MIND IF THAT IS POSSIBLE FOR YOU >>>

Personal Insult #1

>This comes from two decades of having a bunch of holier-than-thou
>assholes and jerks,

Generic Amateur Community Insult #2

>unfairly locked out of the HF bands by these same backward, bigoted
>views ...

Generic Amateur Community Insult #3


>say than against ... and e-mail is 10:1 in favor ... the bulk of

More mysterious "e-mail". Probably a cron task that Carl has set up
to send himself messages.


MD
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Trade for code requirement?
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In article <54pnv9$[e-mail]> Michael Herron <[e-mail]> w
rites:
>Since we will all be using digital modes in the future according to
>the "Anti-Code" prophets and will likely be keyboarding alot, how
>about we drop the code requirement for a typing requirement
>starting at 30 wpm up to 60 wpm for higher classes of licenses???
>Sounds as good as the other ideas presented around here!!

While that makes about as much sense as a Morse speed test, one
must ask, what's the point? Is there a documented problem with
slow typing?

Consider that most digital modes, other than RTTY, don't occupy
spectrum while waiting for the operator to input information,
and transmit at a fixed high speed when information is available.
Even RTTY allows type ahead so its 60 WPM transmission speed can
be fully utilized even by slow typists. So slow typing doesn't
adversely impact spectral usage the way slow Morse does. And even
"fast" Morse (20 WPM) still ties up spectrum longer than digital
methods in order to get the message through. If speed is the
criteria, then the digital methods win hands down, even for slow
typists. If speed isn't a criteria, then why speed tests of any
sort?

If you do feel that speed is a criteria, then why would you
have different test speeds for Morse and digital? Shouldn't
they be the same? The slowest digital method in common use
runs at 60 WPM *on the air*, shouldn't Morse users have to
equal that speed to get equivalent privileges? Remember,
they are both text transmission systems, the characters are
the same no matter how they are encoded.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gilbert Baron)
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Subject: TS870S Mods
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 10:28:08 GMT
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Are any mods out for the TS870S. I do not find it in any of the MODS
databases I have seen.

[Posted with Agent .99f. For info, email [e-mail].]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:51:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (CDALZIEL)
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Subject: uk repeaters home page
Date: 26 Oct 1996 08:37:21 -0400
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RMG-ON-LINE is the UK amateur repeaters home page and can be found at:
http://members.aol.com/rmgvet/rmg.htm

Maintained by Colin, GM8LBC



73
Colin


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From: [e-mail]
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In <54f1ld$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL) writes:
>
>I just changed the address on my license and it was NOT renewed
>at the same time.

New policy then.  They used to automatically extend your renewal when you
changed addresses.

Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
"Not screaming, and in terror, like his passengers."
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Buddy Sohl)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
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On 21 Oct 1996 05:28:13 GMT, [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
wrote:

>
>I just changed the address on my license and it was NOT renewed
>at the same time.
>--
>I only check this account on weekends.
>For faster service, use my juno account.
>Bil Munsil  [e-mail]


Hi folks,

If you look at box 4 on the 610 application it says " I HEREBY APPLY
FOR (make an X in the appropriate box(es)):

4D is change my mailing address

4F renewal of my license


Check them both and get the job done.  Remember this is the FEDERAL
government we deal with.....

73 de KC4WQ
Buddy

visit the BARS web site  HTTP://members.iglou.com/gregl


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:01 1996
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From: Sam Afano <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Vanity calls:  FCC says any day now.
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I just copied this from the ARRL website today, 10/25/96 at 1:54 p.m.
Central time.
It's located at:

http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/961025/#vanity

Sam
AD5C

************************************************************************

GATE 2 VANITY CALL SIGN GRANTS: ANY DAY NOW!


The FCC is holding to its schedule that first-day vanity call sign Gate
2 applications could be processed as early as today. As
of October 11, the FCC had received more than 6400 applications in
response to Gate 2, which opened just over a month
ago. Personnel in the FCC's Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, office have been
entering application information and lists of requested
call signs since then. Slightly more than 4500 applications were filed
on opening day, and the FCC has said it will consider all
day-one applications as a group and grant licenses in random order.

If the FCC is unable to grant a requested call sign, it will dismiss the
application and notify the applicant by mail. Applicants
may reapply, but hams whose applications are dismissed must request a
refund of the $30 processing fee in writing and
under separate cover.
***************************************************************************


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Update
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 08:49:38 GMT
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terry murphy ab4vj <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The FCC information specialist said on Oct. 21, 1996 at 9:30EST:
>"It will be a least another week and a half to two weeks before any
>day one Gate 2 applications are issued callsigns. We are still entering
>those applications received on day one."
>de ab4vj..for a least another few weeks :-(

>--
>Terry Murphy    Amateur Radio Call AB4VJ  email: [e-mail]
>Proud Member of Franklin County ARC-ARES         [e-mail]
>http://www.RTPnet.org/~fcarc/          MircNick: TarHeel

I hope you guys can hold your breath that long........





From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Mitchell)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Update
Date: 24 Oct 1996 17:09:44 GMT
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In article <54m4gd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>I had an e-mail from Larry Wiekert in the FCC's Gettysburg Licensing
>DIvision Monday where he said the hope to run the "Day 1's" by the end
of
>the week pending no compter problems.
>
>Robert Reed WB2DIN              [e-mail]

Yes, it looks like we are getting close!

Talked to FCC representative "Gladys" on 10/22 at the toll free number
and was told the following:

1. Gate Two day one apps should all be entered in the "next few days"

2. All calls will then be issued in one batch, and should show up on
internet ftp sites and subsequent relay services the next day.

3. They will be mailed out within a few days from that point. (so the
earliest word will be via the internet)

Hope this all comes to pass!

John



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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
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Check my Page for Daily updated NEW and CHANGED callsigns!!!!!!
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860
Thanks Dave Booth kc6wfs



Michael Crestohl wrote:
>
> In article <54pjrj$[e-mail]>,
> Michael Herron  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >By the end of what week?? See, another loophole! I loved the last
> >word on it from the "spokesman" who HAZARDS a GUESS that IF ALL GOES
> >WELL they SHOULD..... Hey! Talk about a born politician who will
> >tell you exactly what you want to hear and actually say nothing at
> >all!! Any comments? Its more fun than the code no code (Carl no
> >Carl) waste of time stuff around here at least!!
> >
>
> You know gang, it really boils down to the simple fact that no one knows
> nothing!  (How's that for double negatives?)  Just wait and hang out and
> one day soon it'll happen.
>
> 73,
>
> Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1 (soon W1??)
> [e-mail]

--
Dave Booth


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On Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:07:23 -0700, Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Check my Page for Daily updated NEW and CHANGED callsigns!!!!!!
>http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860
>Thanks Dave Booth kc6wfs
>
>
>
>Michael Crestohl wrote:
>>
>> In article <54pjrj$[e-mail]>,
>> Michael Herron  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> >By the end of what week?? See, another loophole! I loved the last
>> >word on it from the "spokesman" who HAZARDS a GUESS that IF ALL GOES
>> >WELL they SHOULD..... Hey! Talk about a born politician who will
>> >tell you exactly what you want to hear and actually say nothing at
>> >all!! Any comments? Its more fun than the code no code (Carl no
>> >Carl) waste of time stuff around here at least!!
>> >
>>
>> You know gang, it really boils down to the simple fact that no one knows
>> nothing!  (How's that for double negatives?)  Just wait and hang out and
>> one day soon it'll happen.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1 (soon W1??)
>> [e-mail]
>
>--
>Dave Booth
Would any reasonable person expect anything more lucid from the FCC or
any other government department/spokesperson?

It is fun and does make more sense than 99% of the QRN I read on this
newsgroup.

Randy, AA8TU


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VE Lindenhurst,LI Oct 27,1996

The Great South Bay ARC hosts ARRL amateur radio exams every 4th
Sunday at 12 noon. Please note the change for this month.

The location will be at:

        The GSBARC HAMFEST
        Knights of Columbus Hall
        400 South Broadway
        Lindenhurst, NY

Directions:

Southern State Parkway -Exit 35 (WELLWOOD AVE.) SOUTH, crossover
NY 27 (SUNRISE HWY). Continue SOUTH to south side of RAILROAD,
make RIGHT onto HOFFMAN AVE. Continue WEST 3 blocks to SOUTH
BROADWAY, turn LEFT. Go past traffic light 2 BLOCKS.
Knights of Columbus Hall is the LEFT SIDE of street.

Sunrise Highway (NY 27) -to WELLWOOD AVE. Go SOUTH, follow directions
as above.

Montauk Hwy (Merrick Rd.) - Direct to SOUTH BROADWAY, 3 blocks WEST
of WELLWOOD AVE.


Exams are given from Novice to Extra class.
All exams are ARRL/VEC, CW exams are multiple choice w/ full headphones.

Talk in : 146.685/r 136.5pl

Please bring the following:
- Photocopy and original of current Amateur Radio License if licensed.
- Photocopy and original of CSCE(s) that are current.
- two forms of ID, at least one photo ID.
- pens or pencils.
- Calculator for math problems on exams, no pocket computers are allowed.
- 1996 Exam fee is $6.05, please bring exact change.
  * Novice exams (elements 1A & 2) are free.

For addition information you may contact:

Tom Carrubba KA2DFO  [phone] or 422-9594
Walter Wenzel KA2RGI [phone]

Visit the GSBARC homepage! http://www.li.net/~tomcar/gsbarc.htm



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Egan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Voice keyers. Kits?
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 14:54:12 GMT
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Got to thinking during the contest about getting a voice keyer.
I see MFJ have one and I read about the "Contest card" for a pc.
Are there any kits other available? Has there been any construction articles
in the magazines? Could I use my pc and send wav. files out?
Just wondering.
Thanks.
Paul Egan VE3GFY


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Barnaby)
Subject: Want to Buy or Get info on Channel Adapters
Sender: [e-mail] (Mr Usenet Himself)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:00:45 GMT
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I'm in the Market for some T1 Channel Banks.  I really don't know a
lot about them, but, based on my limited understanding, how tough
could it be to multiplex 24 signals onto a composite channel?

I'd like to find some "older" models that are inexpensive, but that
work, in all, about 5.  That way there would be some sparing, and I
could experiment a bit.  I'm interested in using them for computer
over amateur microwave application.

Thanks-

Barnaby




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Appleton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wanted  Disc Seal Triode
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 01:12:21 GMT
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I am looking for a replacement oscillater tube for my Marcon TF 1066B
generator. The tube is listed as a Mullard TD 03-10, British Service
equivalent is a CV273, and the US equivalent is a 5861. can anyone
help me??

Thanks
Doug Appleton VE5DA
1715 Boyd Street
Regina, Sask.,
Canada. S4V 1S5

email:  [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Barnaby)
Subject: Wanted Used (but working) T1 Channel Banks
Sender: [e-mail] (Mr Usenet Himself)
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I'm in the Market for some T1 Channel Banks.  I really don't know a
lot about them, but, based on my limited understanding, how tough
could it be to multiplex 24 signals onto a composite channel?

I'd like to find some "older" models that are inexpensive, but that
work, in all, about 5.  That way there would be some sparing, and I
could experiment a bit.  I'm interested in using them for computer
over amateur microwave application.  Standalone preferred rather than
cards for system, unless system is available cheap.




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:11 1996
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From: William W Janssen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted Used (but working) T1 Channel Banks
Date: 25 Oct 1996 14:38:18 GMT
Organization: CalWeb Internet Services, Inc.
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[e-mail] (Richard Barnaby) wrote:
>I'm in the Market for some T1 Channel Banks.  I really don't know a
>lot about them, but, based on my limited understanding, how tough
>could it be to multiplex 24 signals onto a composite channel?
>

FYI The channel bank takes 24 voice circuits and converts them to
digital and multiplexs them on to a 1.544 digital line. Much of
the hardware is the conversion of analog to digital.

Also the equipment will run on -48 volts.

I would think that it would be easier to build a multiplexer
for digital data from scratch.

Bill K7NOM




From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:12 1996
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From: Joe Balch <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WANTED: Icom IC-4KL
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 22:39:39 -0500
Organization: GlobalComm Holding, Inc.
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I am interesting in purchasing an Icom 4KL transistorized linear
amplifier.  Email me serial number, price and condition.  Thanks, Joe,
AD4BB in Roswell, GA.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:12 1996
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From: Randy Kruid <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Wanted: tube manuals
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 14:38:17 -0500
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Wanted: RCA Tube Handbooks. HB-3. Volumes 1-10. Will take some partial
sets.


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:13 1996
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From: Peter Lemken <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: What a Wonderful Life.
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:51:39 GMT
Organization: The Church Of The Holy Tool
Lines: 21
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <537crc$[e-mail]> <5384qq$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <53q1rl$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <5441aj$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
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Burt Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Peter Lemken wrote:
>
>> >I would fear anyone who is or was a Marine.
>> >But why would a Marine want to be with wimps?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> You mean like yourself?
>
>I was not a German who killed and tortured women and children.
>
>

Are you insinuating that I was or am?


Peter Lemken
DF5JT/KE4UNQ
Berlin



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What happened to the IPS reports?
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 96 01:43:05 GMT
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I was just wondering what happened to the IPS propagation reports from
Australia. I haven't seen any in a week or more.


============================================================================
Paul J. Piercey (VO1HE)
Agent - The Mutual Group

President - Society of Newfoundland Radio Amateurs

VO1HE@VO1AAA.#ENF.NF.CAN.NOAM
[e-mail]
============================================================================


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:15 1996
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From: Michael Valentine <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When is Dayton 97
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:10:36 -0400
Organization: Valentine Research, Inc.
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Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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ka2ctn wrote:
>
> It's www.hamvention.org -Dave
>

Hi Dave!  Mea culpa, mea culpa.  I put .com on the end reflexively.
Of course it's .org.  Sorry for the confusion!

Mike - WA8MSF - (who grew up line of sight from Hara Arena)


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Weir)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When MIKE became MIC
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 16:35:53 GMT
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[e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL) shared these priceless pearls of
wisdom:
->When Japanese English became prevelant in the US HAM market,
->that's when.

Not quite.  When somebody noticed that microphone wasn't spelled
mikerophone and used the proper contraction.

Jim

Jim Weir VP Engineering | You bet your sweet patootie I speak for the
RST Engineering         | company.  If I don't, ain't nobody gonna.
Grass Valley CA 95945   |
http://www.rst-engr.com | AR Adv WB6BHI--FCC 1st phone---Cessna 182A N73CQ
[e-mail]        | Commercial/CFI-Airplane/Glider-A&P-FAA Counselor



From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (M. E. Monninger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When MIKE became MIC
Date: 21 Oct 1996 20:38:02 -0700
Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet
Lines: 32
Message-ID: <54hfiq$[e-mail]>
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I've also heard micrometers referred to as "mikes"...or is it "mics"???

Then again, back in the old days, before capacitors had pF's (puffs) they had
mmF's, or mickey-mikes (mickey-mics????), or was it uuF's? But I digress...

Mark    AA7TA


In article <01bbbf07$4f1e9060$f03062ce@default>, "David Newkirk"
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>WILLIAM W MUNSIL <[e-mail]> wrote in article
><54dlmi$[e-mail]>...
>>
>> When Japanese English became prevelant in the US HAM market,
>> that's when.
>> The tradional abbreviation for miucrophone has always been MIKE.
>> The Japanese did not knwo that, so introduced MIC.
>> Not that I'm anti-Japanese, or anything.
>
>*Mike* is not an abbreviation for *microphone*; it's a synonym, a
>full-blown word in existence since the 1920s, that comes from shortening
>and alteration of *microphone*, much in the way that *auto* came from
>*automobile*. Nor is *mic* attributable to the Japanese; it's in the *IEEE
>Standard Dictionary of Electrical and Electronics Terms* as an
>*abbreviation* for *microphone.*
>
>Regards,
>
>David Newkirk, W9VES
>[e-mail]
>


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:17 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: World's Most Important Web Site & Fax On Demand!
Date: 27 Oct 96 22:43:09 GMT
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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:18 1996
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From: "John Finley" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: WTB:  Icom IC-2KL  Amp. 160/10 Meters
Date: 29 Oct 1996 18:46:09 GMT
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Want to buy a Icom IC-2KL  Amp. 160/10 Meters
Please E-mail me your best price.
Thanks,

John Finley
Miami, FL  N4SPL
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:19 1996
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From: "John Finley" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: WTB:  Icom IC-2KL  Amp. Europe Verson 160/10 Meters
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Want to buy a Icom IC-2KL  Amp. Europe Verson 160/10 Meters

Please E-mail me your best price.

Thanks,

--

John Finley
Miami, FL  N4SPL
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:20 1996
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From: "John Finley" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: WTB: Icom IC-2KL  Amp. 160/10 Meters
Date: 30 Oct 1996 01:30:17 GMT
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WTB: Icom IC-2KL  Amp. 160/10 Meters
Please E-mail me your best price.
Thanks,
--

John Finley
Miami, FL  N4SPL
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:21 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB: Videocipher II decoder modules
Date: 23 Oct 1996 05:25:15 -0700
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I need to buy Videocipher II decoder modules, If You have one or
more, let me know,
[e-mail]
Thanks,


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From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dennis Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: yaesu ft-530 batteries
Date: 27 Oct 1996 15:47:01 -0700
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X-Posted-By: @206.165.20.14 (dennisr)
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I temporarily misplaced my manual to my Yaesu FT 530 and I need to
know what battery models it will take.  For example, I know it will
take a FNB-25.  In particular will it take an FNB-26?  What charger
goes with the FNB-26?

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks in advance.

Dennis, KC7FQD


From [e-mail] Wed Oct 30 06:52:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (asplund)
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Subject: Yaesu FT-530 giveaway (practically)
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Hello all,

Awhile back, I posted the following for a friend, at the time he sold all
the radios he was willing to give up.  Now he wants to sell the rest, AND
has DROPPED the price $150!!

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
A friend of mine has a "bunch" of Yaesu Dual Band Radios which he would like
to sell at a great price.  He purchased them for the emergency response group
which he is envolved in and has decided to sell them and get radios which
do not have as many functions and features.  His policy appears to be "the
simpler the better" for emergencies.

Yaesu FT-530 Dual Band HT
Yaseu Standard 2 Watt Battery
Yaesu Hi-Power 5 Watt Battery
Yaesu Rapid Charger (for both of the above batteries)
Yaesu Standard Battery Charger
Yaesu External Speaker/Mic
Yaesu Standard "Rubber Duck" Antenna
Antenna Specialist's Dual Band "Rubber Duck" Antenna

Each of them have had the out-of-band modification done by a local Southern
California Dealer at time of purchase.  They will be sold on a first come
first serve basis.

He is asking $320.00 for each radio.  They may be placed on a credit card for
no additional fee, and there is a $5 shipping charge to anywhere in the US via
UPS insured ground.

If you are interested, please call Steve at 818-502-0000.


(I am posting this for a friend who does not have access to the newsgroups,
please do not write me back.)
--Daryl Asplund


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Finding Amateur Radio Clu
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 15:32:00 GMT
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>>How can I find an amateur radio club near Dallas?

Fastest way? Look in the Yellow Pages for a local Amateur Radio dealer -
call 'em and ask!


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:14 1996
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From: ahmed <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CQ CQ SKED EME (25 and 26 october)
Date: 25 Oct 1996 07:09:36 GMT
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Is it the same team who work from cn last year?
best regards cn8gi

--
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Update
Date: 26 Oct 1996 19:44:48 GMT
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terry murphy ab4vj  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The FCC information specialist said on Oct. 21, 1996 at 9:30EST:
>"It will be a least another week and a half to two weeks before any
>day one Gate 2 applications are issued callsigns. We are still entering
>those applications received on day one."

And I bet they'd be able to work a lot quicker if you thousands of
folks would quit calling them each week...

KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: MARS Mod for IC751
Date: 26 Oct 1996 19:51:57 GMT
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This info is completely incorrect and will ruin your radio:

Joesph Fenn  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Okay heres the modification to Xmit on all fqcys for the IC751 (not the
>IC751A).
>Remove bottom cover of IC750/751.  Locate J3/P29 on logic board (to rear
>of transceiver). Remove black wire from P-29, use a needle or pin to push
>connector out of plug.  Then cover pin with small piece of heat shrink
>tubing.  Verify that the black wire is connected to R52 as per schematic,
>Replace bottom cover and away you go.  Xmit from 200Khz down to 30Mhc or
>thereabouts.....

This will cause grave overheating and result in a very expensive repair.

>Another mod on same rig to increase power output to 100 watts on 28Mhz.
>Remove bottom cover of IC750.  Locate R21 on logic board. Either remove
>it entirely or simply cut this resistor out of the sicruit.
>Replace bottom cover.

This too will cause a great deal of damage. Shame on your Fenn for
attempting to post such a bad practical joke.

>                     KH6JF (aka kilroy)

KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: 26 Oct 1996 20:06:15 GMT
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Duane Anderson  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...they "used" to renew with address changes and upgrades is the keyword
>here.  They stopped doing that about 2 years ago. Now renewals will
>happen every 10 years no matter what.

Well that's a lie. I did a change of address earlier this year and
they did a renewal at the same time.

KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: When MIKE became MIC
Date: 27 Oct 1996 23:43:06 GMT
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Guy A. DeRose <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (M. E. Monninger) writes:

>>Then again, back in the old days, before capacitors had pF's (puffs) they ha
d
>>mmF's, or mickey-mikes (mickey-mics????), or was it uuF's? But I digress...

>To further digress, in "them" days capacitors were called "condensers" too.

Well that's incorrect. My 50's editions of The Handbook use mmF but make
no mention of "condensers."

KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Any 2 meter beacons in So Cal?
Date: 27 Oct 1996 23:56:20 GMT
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In article <54qjgn$[e-mail]>, Eric Oberg <[e-mail]> wrote
:
>Hi. How come there are no two meter beacons in Southern California. I want
>to test antennas and receivers, but have no standard to compare against.
>Make my own?

I guess you could always use the 147.435 MHz rptr as a sort of beacon...

KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: to beep or not to beep
Date: 28 Oct 1996 00:09:40 GMT
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Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>First, I know and use proper operating proceedures on HF ...

What a hoot! Tell us all about your HF operating, Gargle. You've had
a tech+ license for 21 years now. You must be a devout CW operator.

>Secondly, I am not a masochist ... I'd much rather work and get the
>rules changed than submit to your hazing ritual ...

Working on changing the rules for 21 years yet you don't call yourself
a masochist? You contradict yourself everytime you tap on your keyboard.

>Carl - wa6vse
(tech+ for 21 years)

Jeff KH2PZ



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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Digital VS. CW Testing
Date: 28 Oct 1996 06:17:37 GMT
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In article <54dp9e$[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Ramon Gandia  <rfg.at.nome.dot.net@no, .spam.please> wrote:
>
>>Fellows, I think both modes have their strengths and weaknesses.
>>Under very difficult conditions, noise, QRM, etc it is likely that
>>CW will get thru better than digital modes.  In normal conditions,
>>the digital will outstrip the CW for speed.
>
>Wonder why everyone ignores the limitation of the speed of digital modes:
>The typing speed of the operator who initiates a message?

The reason people ignore this limitation is that it isn't a
limitation.  In particular, a message can be composed "off-line",
i.e., not transmitting while the message is being composed.  When
it is ready for transmission, the message can be sent rapidly, using
little time on the radio spectrum.  Then, the message can be
automatically forwarded to the correct destination.  Automatic
fowarding allows the technology to work around things like QRM
and poor band conditions.  See, the limitation isn't how
fast one can type (or someone else can read) - the limitation
is how efficiently traffic can be passed, and that's a factor
you seem keen to ignore.

>RTTY has been around since the war years yet it never came into the
>forefront of amateur comms. Maybe most folks aren't all that interested
>in greater "spewput."

Note that we're not only talking about "keyboard-keyboard" communications
like RTTY and some packet.  We're talking about technology to Relay
information over Radio - as in American *Radio Relay* League.  Keep
in mind, if you think the answer is ridiculous, perhaps you don't
understand the question.  It appears you'd be better off spending
your energy _understanding_ what modern digital communications is
and where it is going before you start _criticizing_ it.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:21 1996
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Subject: Amateur Radio Test Cancelled In Fremont for November
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The Amateur Radio Testing in Fremont, CA. has been cancelled for November 5, 1
996.
Because of problems finding a new site, future tests will be smaller in size a
nd
"BY APPOINTMENT ONLY"!  until further notice.  If you would like an appointmen
t
to test in December 1996 contact: Dennis WA6JVZ <[e-mail]> or Don
AC6TG <[e-mail]>




From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Subject: Re: Best of Squiggie: On Ham Radio
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Carl the Tech+ wrote:

> Yeah, hanging out on 14.313 and screaming obscenties like an asshole
> really helps to keep one operationally sharp, all right ...

Come on down to the CW portion of 20m, Gargle - you won't hear any
of that nonsense. But then again, if that's the only corrupt voice
freq'y on all of 20m I suppose we're doing quite well. I guess
you could compare it to the 147.435 MHz rptr and 2m; one bad freq'y
doesn't shouldn't smear all users of a particular band.

> so does
> seeing how badly you can stomp your competitiors int the dust in the
> contest of the weekend ...  so does saying "What's your 10-10 number?"
> over and over and over again ... so does "UR 599 in ___ PSE QSL TNX

When its done on a rig I've built myself from scratch it is pretty
rewarding; but you wouldn't know about that being an admitted appliance
operator and selectively choosing to abide by only a subset of Paragraph
97.1.

> .. they're either choosing to ignore the facts, or simply too stupid to
> understand them ... I find a little of both from the pro-code side at
> times ...

My goodness! It's only a hobby (99% of the time); don't get an ulcer.
(My other 1% is spent "working" hurricanes and tsunami warnings.)

> BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT, BULLSHIT!

Is that the anticode war cry? (Sort of like the Japanese TORA TORA TORA!)

>Ham radio is stuck in the 1950s or 1960s
> somewhere .....

Well that's a lie. The circuits I build from come from books written
in the 80s.  =:o   But what ever decade you feel we're stuck in, did
you ever consider that we might be quite content there? Heck, you still
use voice on 2m with your Tech license - did you ever consider that
voice as a mode is about as old as code sent via CW?

> average techno-ignorant pro-code fanatic will yell and scream

You operate using factory-built radios and then call us builders "techno-
ignorant"? You're a nut. You're new name is CarlTheKook.

> The majority of today's hams are so far behind the power curve of
> technology that they'd have to study 3 nights a week for six months just
> to try to catch up ...

So why won't you answer the question I've been asking for months:
How much of the gear in your shack did you build yourself from
scratch? No fair waving 97.1 in our faces unless you too abide
by it in its entirety.

Speaking of 97.1, how about this portion: 97.1(e) "Continuation and
extension of the amateur's unique ability to enhance INTERNATIONAL
good will." By hanging out on 2m rptrs with your tech license you're
certainly not abiding by that General Provision. Yet every time I fire
up my rig on 20m and chat (via CW of course) with my South Pacific pals
I'm doing my part to enhance international good will.

>Carl The Tech+

Whatever.

Jeff KH2PZ


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From: [e-mail] (Ms. Cherie Barber)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: KF2OQ's jamming of 3901,or Little Jordan info.
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Subject: KF2OQ's jamming of 3901

Some info about Little Jordan...Enrolled at Indiana State University at
the school of business. In his second year of post-graduate work
studying for an MBA. Listed as John Jacob Moser,could he be using
someone elses call?Very possible. Feel free to call 812-876-3328,thats
little jordans phone number. Feel free to submit petitions to the ARRL
and to file a complaint with U.S. attorney's office. He is running a
Henry 8KD, which puts out about 5000 watts. Lets stop this little
snotnose bastard before he becomes another NR5T (turd)    Best Wishes
from the Net Digger!  HoHOHOHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:25 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:55:47
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They can just travel their butts over to the computer and get back
to typing in those 610-v forms...yeah I know anytime now, if all
goes well, maybe.......ad infinitum blah blah blah....



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:26 1996
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From: Andrew Williamson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: How do you block the full 27mhz band.
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 00:17:46 +0000
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In article <[e-mail]>, Andrew <[e-mail]>
writes
>Hello all
>
>can anyone tell me is there a circuit that will make a persons radio
>appear that it is being keyed up on, from 27.00mhz-27.99mhz.
>
>If there is a circuit can you forward me it on this news server

Why would anyone want to do this ??

Have you heard of the Wireless Telegraphy Act of 1949.  Just how do you
intend to license this device.  UK CB is 26.965-27.405 and 27.60125-
27.99125.  So between 27.405 and 27.60125 this device would be operating
out-of-band.

Besides, there is no way on this earth that the Radio Communications
Agency would ever consider licensing such a device anyway, because this
device is intended to cause deliberate harmful interference which the RA
goes to great lengths to stamp out.

I would advise you read the Wireless Telegraphy Act of 1949 so you will
at least understand the charges against you when the RA takes you to
court for using a device of this type.

Basically, don't do it, but if you do, you have been warned of the
consequences.

Andrew Williamson, GI0NWG/AC6WI
E-mail : [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:28 1996
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From: Andrew Williamson <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>, Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
writes

>On the same subject, I wonder if CONESTING meets any of the five
>fundamental purposes of the Amateur Radio Service as described by the
>FCC in
>Section 97.1 of the Amateur Radio Service rules.  These "purposes" are
>why
>the Amateur Radio Service exists at all;
>
>   (a) Recognition and enhancement of the value of the amateur service
>to the
>public as a voluntary non-commercial communications service,
>particularly
>with respect to providing emergency communications.
>
>   < It can cause problems for Emergency Communications. >

It is also one of the best ways to practice copying information quickly
and accurately for sustained periods.  If I was in a disaster area, I
would much prefer a contester to take the information than a non-
contester.

>
>   (b) Continuation and extension of the amateur's proven ability to
>contribute to the advancement of the radio art.
>
>   < What are the contributions from Contesting? >

Try comparing a contesters antennas to those of a non-contester.
Also DSP filtering was demanded by contesters, and now DSP is starting
to appear in more basic radios.  Note the arrival of the TS570.  DSP is
at the forefront of technology, and contesters were one of the first
groups of hams to use it.
>
>   (c) Encouragement and improvement of the amateur radio service
>through
>rules which provide for advancing skills in both communications and
>technical
>phases of the art.
>
>   < Contesting has no connection here that I see. >

'advancing skills in communications'....... see my answer on (a) above.

>
>   (d) Expansion of the existing reservoir within the amateur radio
>service
>of trained operators, technicians and electronic experts.
>
>   < Nope... >

Trained operators means that hams can be called on in times of war to
provide communications.  Now who would be more efficient at doing
that.... without doubt a contester.
>
>   (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
>enhance
>international goodwill.
>
>   < Contesting causes more discontent than goodwill from what I am
>hearing.
>     I don't see where "international goodwill" is served by "you're
59"
>>

If you don't believe that contesting can enhance international goodwill,
then you obviously weren't at the World Radiosport Team Championships
held in San Francisco in July this year.  There were 52 teams from over
30 countries, and everyone had a superb time, and made MANY lasting
friendships around the world.  These teams were picked from the worlds
top contesters.

Andrew Williamson, GI0NWG/AC6WI
E-mail : [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <[e-mail]> Rolfe Tessem <[e-mail]> writes:
>Gary Coffman wrote:
>> In article <54cict$[e-mail]> [e-mail] w
rites:
>> >Somebody, I don't know who, wrote:
>> >
>> >> >You might want to look at the statistics showing how the hams are
>> >> >getting older and older and there are not nearly enough young ones to
>> >> >enter the hobby. In Finland, the average ham age in the last 4 years ha
s
>> >> >increased by 3 years.
>> >
>> >Sounds like the ham population is getting younger, not older.  Seems to me
>> >most hams would age 4 years in a 4 year period, not 3.  Maybe they put som
ething
>> >in the water in Finland ?
>
>> Skipped population demographics in school, did you Jim?
>> When the average age of a population group is increasing
>> at 3/4 year per year, that group is dying. It means that
>> younger people aren't entering the group at a rate which
>> would sustain it. A demographically stable group has the
>> same average age year after year.
>
>Of course, this entire thread ignores the fact that, because of the baby
>boom bulge, the world population, and the U.S. population in particular,
>is aging.

The average age of the world's population isn't increasing, it is still
under 20, and increasingly under 20 as aid programs reduce infant mortality
in the third world, but US and European populations are aging. Unfortunately,
I don't have demographic information on Finland specifically, but I do
have some for the US.

>This is not news, but it is affecting all kinds of trends --
>such as crime rates coming down because most crimes are committed by
>young males. So the fact that the ham population is aging should not be
>particularly alarming unless it exceeds by a significant margin the
>aging curve of the population as a whole.

That's true, but 3/4 year per year is *significantly* sharper than
the demographic trend for the general population. As the baby boom
matured, the US average age increased at a rate of about 1/4 year
per year. Now as Gen X (the children of the boomers) starts having
their own families, the aging trend has slowed and demographers
tell us there is a baby boomlet coming which will once again challenge
our schools (and later our prisons). Add in the illegal immigration
(and the fecundity of the immigrants) we are seeing, and the demographic
trend for the future is down, not up.

(Unfortunately, the income of these youngsters isn't going to be
sufficient to support the geezers starting in about 7 years if
something isn't done to limit entitlements growth. We're going
to be in a squeeze between 2005 and 2025 trying to pay for the
aging boomers, but the trends reverse again after that.)

During the 80s, the US amateur population was aging even faster
than 3/4 year per year. That reversed with the introduction of
the code test free Tech, and US amateur average age has declined
sharply from a high of 59.5 to 53 since then. The rate of decline
has now tapered off. The current US general population average age
is about 33, which is the highest it has reached since WWII, but
still much lower than the average for amateurs. Of course we'd expect
amateur average age to be higher than the general population since
there are few infants or toddlers who hold amateur licenses. But the
gap is still rather gaping. If amateur radio were attracting youngsters
the way it was in the 50s and early 60s (pre-Incentive Licensing),
the average age would be closer to 45.

If current demographic trends continue, average amateur age, assuming
amateur radio still exists, will be declining sharply by 2025 as the
majority of the boomers die off and the Gen Xer's kids get licensed
(if they do, their parents are the ones who emphatically haven't gotten
licensed at the percentage rate that their boomer parents did).

2010 to 2025 will be a dangerous time, because the Gen Xers will
hold the reins of power, and they aren't favorably disposed toward
amateur radio, and they'll be well and truly sick of carrying the
geezers who'll mostly make up amateur radio on their backs. If you
think the current administration is eager to sell amateur spectrum,
just wait until it is the Gen Xers turn.

My feeling is that if amateur radio doesn't radically redesign
itself, and fairly soon too, into something relevant to modern
communications and to the people who are going to be the future
of modern communications, there won't be an amateur radio in 2025.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:31 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:41:07
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I don't have any problems with novice and techs using hf digital
modes in the novice cw bands, or even allowing them to use them in
a small area below the novice band on a shared basis.



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:32 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:46:13
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I remember practicing code with a Layfayette code oscillator over
the telephone to learn it with a friend.



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Gee, I hope they get the day 1 gate 2 calls out before then!!!!



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Scientific Discoveries Minimize Aging (DHEA)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <54utr9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
writes:
>
>What ever happened to DMSO?  It was big for something in the 1980's.

Crown Zellerbach still makes it, it's still used as an industrial
solvent. Nasty stuff. It was reputed to relieve arthritis inflamation,
but aspirn is better, and doesn't risk carrying dangerous chemical
residues through your skin.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:35 1996
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Subject: Hallicrafter Transmitter Manual
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 04:21:49 GMT
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There is a member of our Amateur Radio club that has a Hallicrafter
Transmitter Model HT-40 built from a kit circa 1960.  The transmitter
covered from 160m thru 6m.  He is looking for the manual that goes
with it as over the years some of the parts have been used for other
projects. If anyone has a copy, please e-mail me and I will contact
the Amateur.

Thanks,

Harry
VE6 HPA



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add info-hams




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Gary Fiber <[e-mail]> wrote in article <54ejbr$[e-mail]>...
: [e-mail] wrote:
:
: >The Metro Rail Subway system in Los Angeles utilizes Fire, Police, and
Security repeaters feed into a
: >common antenna.  This antenna is actually a very high loss coax, very
wide braid. This cable is strung
: >throughout the stations and tunnels to provide comminications.
:
: >De WB6HRO
:
: Normally it is hardline that has slots cut into the copper shield I
forget the
: proper name of the cable.  Andrews used to make it, they may still.  You
will
: also see this used in many high rise buildings for better radio
reception.
:
: Gary
:
:
Actually the system that most people uses is called Tunnel Radio which is
made by a company called, amazingly enough, Tunnel Radio.  It uses a lossy
coax system (the shielding isn't 100% on the coax) and every so many feet
it has an amplifier in the line which is powered by a DC voltage carried on
the coax.  I'm not sure if Tunnel Radio has a web page but I would contact
them for more info.



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 12:54:59 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>Skipped population demographics in school, did you Jim?

I skipped as much as I could in school, Gary. I guess I must
have gone fishing that day.

>When the average age of a population group is increasing
>at 3/4 year per year, that group is dying. It means that
>younger people aren't entering the group at a rate which
>would sustain it. A demographically stable group has the
>same average age year after year.

OK. Thanks. I'm make a note of that in my ARRL antenna
handbook.

73, Jim KH2D




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In article <555st3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (August Miller
) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (August Miller)
>Subject: Re: FCC
>Date: 29 Oct 1996 21:28:03 GMT

>: George Arsics jr ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: The FCC squandered approximately $30 million over the past year
>: in unnecessary  travel.

>: -
>:   [e-mail]

>Maybe they were traveling around looking for illegal operators and pirate
>stations.

What is the definition of "unnecessary travel".  I hate waste, but it would be

nice to know who came up with the 30 million dollar amount, and using what
criteria. (Not that I think it's incorrect...)


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From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Element 1C Code Speed
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:45:53 -0500
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Stephen Lui wrote:
>
> I've been practicing for Element 1C and am confused about what the actual
> code speed will be. Super Morse sets a 20WPM send rate and 26WPM character r
ate.
> I asked the VE Examiner (ARRL) and he said the test is both 20WPM send
> and character rate (non-Farnsworth), but wasn't sure because he never timed
> it. He did say that Element 1B was 13WPM send rate and 18WPM character rate
> which is consistent with Super Morse, which I'm using to practice.
>
> Is there a standard for code speed on code tests? Do I need to ask the
> examiner for the source of the test to determine the actual speed? Is there
> at least a standard for ARRL code tests?
>
> Anyone know how to make NuMorse go faster than 10WPM send rate and 20WPM
> character rate?
>
> Stephen

Stephen:

Although the Morse code tests may vary from VEC to VEC and VE team to VE
team, if your test is ARRL/VEC-coordinated the Morse code exam speeds
will routinely be as follows:

Element 1A - overall speed is 5 WPM, farnsworth character speed is 18
WPM

Element 1B - overall speed is 13 WPM, farnsworth character speed is 18
WPM

Element 1C - overall speed and character speed are both 20 WPM

We supply the exam audio tapes for our VE teams.  Our VEC-supplied audio
tapes are produced with a 716 Hz audio tone, and we have include an
exactly one-minute practice segment at the beginning of our exam message
tapes.  So, if a VE team questions the speed accuracy, they can time the
one-minute segment or measure the audio note frequency to be sure.

73,

-- Bart

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Hello
       I have a Radio Shack 202 HT for sale.It comes with 3 battery packs,a
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:43 1996
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In article <5570q4$[e-mail]>, The Tie-Dyed Side of the F
orce ([e-mail]) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (james a maxwell) wrote:
>>The basic code requirement for US hams was set at 10wpm in 1912.  It was
>>raised to 13wpm in 1936 to ensure that licensees had gotten beyond the
>>"hump" that most people hit at around 10 wpm.
>
>A "hump", huh?  Looks more like a wall from here.
>
>At that time most ham operation was CW, I assume, so anyone who could get
>their speed up to 13 presumably would in due time anyway.  The only people
>this would have affected significantly were those who could not get over
>the wall at all.
>
>Why did the ARRL seek this rule change in the first place?
>I have heard that they wanted to reduce the number of new hams.
>If this is true, then they must have believed that a signicant number of
>applicants would never be capable of passing the 13 wpm test.  It would
>be interesting if they believed that, since it has always seemed to be
>the central article of faith amongst the pro-code-testing crowd:
>that anybody can learn the code.
>


Anyone and I mean anyone can learn the code.  There is only one
exception, a person that is deaf.  However many people with poor
hearing have passed the code test using a light bulb.

The code argument goes way past just code.  It reflects attitudes of
the people of America these days.  All around the world we are called
the "lazy americans".  For good reason.  Just look at the news story
that was reported by CNN two days ago.  Collage students cheating on
tests for $6000.00.  The easy way out.  The people that want to see
code go away are for the most part lazy.  Plain and simple.  If
someone studies, and puts forth an effort, that person will learn the
code.  Like myself, they may even find that using code on the air is
fun.

My point here with the no-coders is stop being lazy.  Put forth an
effort to learn something new.  Don't have time you say?  Then maybe
you don't really have time for this hobby.  It's just like flying
model aircraft.  If you don't have time to build one, then you don't
have time to fly one.  That is what ham radio is.  It's a building,
learning, ever expanding experiance.  So you learn something new like
code, then you use it, then you get better at it, then you upgrade.
You study and learn the theroy, you build your first radio, you build
a better one, you work DX.

Here is a thought for you all.  Part 97 says we have no type acceptance
requirement for ham radio.  Would eliminating testing force the FCC to
place type acceptance requirements on us?  Think about it, with
relaxed testing, no one would really understand and know how radio
works.  It would become a RF nightmare!

--js






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From: "J. Andy Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Stuck in Vanity Gate 2?
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BJ wrote:
>
> Anybody hear why the Monday and Tuesday FCC.ftp postings are blank?
> All vanity update sites still show Monday am as last update (with
> weekend filings.)
> Did a Gettysburg ghost do this as a Halloween prank?


I called FCC at 1-800-322-1117 and was told on mon, tues, and today that
the database computer was down.  It will be down all day today.

Scary,isn't it?

Andy


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From: Dave Burr <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
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DAVE ABSHIRE wrote:
>
> To Home it may concern!
>
> Yea like you don't have none of that shit on two meters!
> Bull shit.
> I here mostly on 2 meters is a lot of (75 and 80 Meter Wan A Be's) And a
> lot of
> converted know it all CB operators.  In fact some CB operators know more
> that half of the
> nit wits on some of the repeaters. So if you want to listen and run
> operators down look in
> your own back yard, or better your own repeater's.  Half of them don't know
> Jack Shit about radio but to key the mike and pretend there on HF. If you
> are that upset about what you here you can always turn the VFO or the Off
> switch.....If you can't take the heat, Get the BEEP outta here....
>
> And nats all I got to say about thaaaut.........
>
> This does not reflect the opinions of my employer *I don't think*.....
> FG


I'm sure you do not!

Here, all you good 'ol boys. Here's one of your own! A fine example of
the intelligent life you find on HF these days. This guy is obviously
highly educated and a credit to ham radio. The hobby will live a long
time if we fill up the bands with this type.

DB


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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:49 1996
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From: "DAVE ABSHIRE" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
Date: 30 Oct 1996 16:19:36 GMT
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Well Mr. Burr
I tell you like I tell everyone else.
I you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
A lot of your operators that are new come on the freq. where
there is a conversation and want to jump in, and be as you
would put it, One of the good OLE boys. With nothing to say
but how is the weather or how is my signal. But the operators
on the other end are supposed to drop everything there doing
and there topic what ever it was at the time and help the new
kid on the block. There are hams out there that will indeed do
that but not all of them. I get so tired of hearing about the old
ham operators and how rude some of them are. Tell ya Dave
don't knock these good OLE boys till you have been around as
long and did what some have done. As far as your attack on
me personally, You do the same as a lot of people, Either across
a mic. or modem but when it came down to the face to face (Not meaning
fist fighting) you would more than likely set back and keep you lip
shut. But go to your next ham fest and make statements like you do
here and see if you get the same answers OK big boy....
Have a good day
Dave

lik
you

Dave Burr <[e-mail]> wrote in article <[e-mail]>...
> DAVE ABSHIRE wrote:
> >
> > To Home it may concern!
> >
> > Yea like you don't have none of that shit on two meters!
> > Bull shit.
> > I here mostly on 2 meters is a lot of (75 and 80 Meter Wan A Be's) And
a
> > lot of
> > converted know it all CB operators.  In fact some CB operators know
more
> > that half of the
> > nit wits on some of the repeaters. So if you want to listen and run
> > operators down look in
> > your own back yard, or better your own repeater's.  Half of them don't
know
> > Jack Shit about radio but to key the mike and pretend there on HF. If
you
> > are that upset about what you here you can always turn the VFO or the
Off
> > switch.....If you can't take the heat, Get the BEEP outta here....
> >
> > And nats all I got to say about thaaaut.........
> >
> > This does not reflect the opinions of my employer *I don't think*.....
> > FG
>
>
> I'm sure you do not!
>
> Here, all you good 'ol boys. Here's one of your own! A fine example of
> the intelligent life you find on HF these days. This guy is obviously
> highly educated and a credit to ham radio. The hobby will live a long
> time if we fill up the bands with this type.
>
> DB
>


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto)
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On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 18:18:17 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:07:23 -0700, Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
>wrote:

>Would any reasonable person expect anything more lucid from the FCC or
>any other government department/spokesperson?
>
>It is fun and does make more sense than 99% of the QRN I read on this
>newsgroup.
>
>Randy, AA8TU

Checking the stats for the past 2 days, it looks like the FCC computer
might be busted.  Do you think it could be from them running those
4500 1st day vanity call requests?
73 es DX,
Mike D'Alto, N3KFN   http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1641


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From: "Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Stuck in Vanity Gate 2?
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 11:44:58 -0500
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BJ wrote:
>
> Anybody hear why the Monday and Tuesday FCC.ftp postings are blank?
> All vanity update sites still show Monday am as last update (with
> weekend filings.)
> Did a Gettysburg ghost do this as a Halloween prank?

There computer system has been "DOWN" since early Monday morning.
When I called yesterday evening the girl said that the latest
on issuing is "by the end of the week".

She also stated that she was "from the government, and here to help me".
Which sent a chill down my back.  =)

Any day now.... Any day!

Tom - WB1L
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:53 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: FT-900 Noise Blanker
Date: 30 Oct 1996 16:52:31 GMT
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In <555joo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brett Collins) writes:
>The noise blanker on my FT-900CAT has little if any effect on line
>noise at my QTH. Anyone have a mod that works? I would rather see
>what someeone else has done before I tear into a new $1300 rig.
>
>thanks guys, Brett
>

No help from here.  My experience has been that the noise blanker on my
FT-900 is very much like all the noise blankers I've seen on non-DSP
radios.  It is extremely effective at killing motor noise, ignition, etc., but
not at all useful for eliminating atmospheric noise.  When I use my FT-900
on my boat, the noise blanker makes a huge difference, as the boat throws off
a fair amount of snap-crackle-pop.  But atmospheric noise?  Forget it.


Roger J. Buffington
W6VZV
[e-mail]

USC Law School, Class of '97

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"I want to die peacefully, in my sleep, like my Grandfather."
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Lui)
Subject: Re: Element 1C Code Speed
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Stephen Lui wrote:
>>
>> I've been practicing for Element 1C and am confused about what the actual
>> code speed will be. Super Morse sets a 20WPM send rate and 26WPM character
rate.
>
>Stephen:
>
>Although the Morse code tests may vary from VEC to VEC and VE team to VE
>team, if your test is ARRL/VEC-coordinated the Morse code exam speeds
>will routinely be as follows:
>
>Element 1C - overall speed and character speed are both 20 WPM
>
>We supply the exam audio tapes for our VE teams.  Our VEC-supplied audio
>tapes are produced with a 716 Hz audio tone, and we have include an

Just a quick question, what musical note (A-G) is 716 Hz? Super Morse only
lets you set the tone as a musical note (A-G).

Stephen


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:56 1996
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From: William W Janssen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Wanted Used (but working) T1 Channel Banks
Date: 30 Oct 1996 17:28:05 GMT
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"Thor Wiegman" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
>William W Janssen <[e-mail]> wrote in article
><54qjcq$[e-mail]>...
>: [e-mail] (Richard Barnaby) wrote:
>: >I'm in the Market for some T1 Channel Banks.  I really don't know a
>: >lot about them, but, based on my limited understanding, how tough
>: >could it be to multiplex 24 signals onto a composite channel?
>: >
snip
>:
>: FYI The channel bank takes 24 voice circuits and converts them to
>: digital and multiplexs them on to a 1.544 digital line. Much of

>: I would think that it would be easier to build a multiplexer
>: for digital data from scratch.
>:
>: Bill K7NOM
>:
>
>I've worked with a lot of these channel banks and I can tell you from
>looking at them that it would be a major undertaking to design and build
>one on your own.

snip

Well I guess I should have stated that I was assuming that the object
was to multiplex 24 digital signals. In that case the the analog
portion would not be needed.

If computers are to be connected it would be better to stay digital
rather than do the conversions from digital to analog to digital
to analog and finaly to digital.

I wouldn't want to build a full channel bank either.

Bill K7NOM



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:09:57 1996
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From: Eugene Rippen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: HELP Club Problems
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 09:34:32 -0800
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I would like to get some suggestions and ideas for attracting younger Ham
to our club.

The average age of the members at present is in the 70's. WE can't even
get volunteers for officers because of the dwindling membership problem

1. The meetings are once a month on a Friday night.  I believe this is
one of the biggest drawbacks to getting younger members. They are either
out with there families (Pizza parlor, etc,) or out looking for social
companionship.

2. The 10 mile radius has about 40,000 population, 20 mile about 110,000.
There are no other ham clubs until you get to the big city 30 miles away.

3. The local High School has no ham club.

4. I don't know if the local Community College (15 Miles) has a club.

5. What about sending a direct mailing to the younger hams?  Did any club
try it? Did it work?

6. Some of us (myself included) still use and appreciate tube type gear.
Can this be turned into an attraction, or is it a negative for attracting
younger Hams?

7. What have other clubs done to get younger members?  Remember,even 30's
and 40's are young to us.

8. My personal thoughts are that the days of rag-chewing-hamming are on
the way out, as far as that being the main interest, as that is replaced
by internet. I think it has to be some reversion to the technical side,
including home brewing.  What can a club do here?

9. Morse Code can be made an attraction. The challange of distant
communications with minimum power.  But, this is pushing. It is still
unfavored by most new hams.  How can a club make it more interesting?

10. HELP!  What say?  I really want your constructive thoughts and ideas.

Gene,  WB6SZS


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From: [e-mail] (Filippo)
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Subject: HELP in tuning up a SONY monitor
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Hallo to All,
I am looking for anyone how could help me in fine_tune a Sony 15sf II
monitor.
73 de IC8POF Filippo at jn70cn \ Capri Island
[e-mail]


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From: Andrew C Robertson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Review: The error of his ways (Burt)
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In yet another "name withheld" anonymous "email" posting, the
(thankfully) inimitable Burt attempts again to portray his contempt for
hams as having some source or cause outside of his meager, imprisoned
little mind.

Burt tends to betray a grossly inflated view of his own self-importance.
Here, he shows that he thinks readers "care" about what "other hams" say
about him.  (Actually, the only thing that makes me think the quoted
mail wasn't written by Burt himself is its level of eloquence - Burt
has never shown his self-expressive ability to be anywhere near even
that basic level.)  Further, Burt seems to think he's doing hams a
favor, that the lives of hams are afflicted by some "problem" requiring
Burt's attention.  The reality is, of course, that Burt is the one with
the problem.  It is wise to remember the words of Franklin*: "let he who
is not living in a glass house throw the first stone, or it's gonna be 2
weeks in Aruba for the glass-man".

Burt (and those who agree with him) tend to rely heavily on the word
"loser", a meaningless pejorative term.  Truthfully, there are few
things more pitiable than someone who finds it necessary to categorize
people in this fashion.  Burt, with his flair for unintentionally comic
naivete, splashes these categorizations around as though it indicates
anything but deep-seated (most likely subconscious) despair over his own
inadequacies.

If there is anything negative to be said about the ham community via
Burt's postings, it is that said community has not produced a troll with
a better imagination, or a reasonable grasp of reality.

drewbob   aa1hx

* Simon Franklin, a friend of mine from Halifax.

COMING SOON: The Burt Fisher FAQ, answering such pressing questions as
             "Who is this guy?" and "Why is he such a bitter old toad?"

Burt Fisher wrote:
>
> Here is what other hams say about me:
> Burt
>
> Its obvious to me this guy (smartass) never read any of your posts
> on alt.support.divorce. Just like a ham to shoot his mouth off
> without having any of the facts.
>
> Burt, I want to say keep up the good work. These "hams" need to
> be shaken up as frankly, most of them are losers. I do not call
> myself a "ham", I am a radio experimenter. I got my amateur radio
> license to allow myself access to radio frequencies.
>
> BTW, my wife (of 8 years) really enjoys your posts making fun of
> ham operators. At one time I was involved with the "social" side
> of ham radio... so she has seen some of the things you mention.
> She was able to reform me and show me the error of my ways.
> You should start a comic strip.... lets call it "Hambert".
> (Model it after Dilbert to a degree) I'd bet money you could
> get one of the ham rags to run it.... or maybe on a web site?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Name withheld


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:01 1996
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I recently purchased some GE Mastr II's and some Motorola Micors that I
have been told will go to the 2 Meter band. Has any one had any
experience they could help me with on these. The Mastr II's are 8
frequency mobiles with scan heads. Need info on where to get crystals. We
want to take a couple and convert to a repeater. Any one done that? If so
wiring would help as well as time - out timers and Iders, etc.
Also want to put some on Packet. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also we got some standard mobile units for 6 meters need to find where to
order the Eproms to change them over.



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From: Andrew C Robertson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: What some sorehead thinks of hams (Burt)
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The saddest thing about all this is that there are people out there just
as full of contempt and bitterness as Burt.

drewbob   aa1hx


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Moldenhauer)
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Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
Date: 30 Oct 1996 18:47:39 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>

>Carl, can't you see that the fact that morse code is a communications
>mode that has stood the test of time is a point in its favor, not
against
>it?

Has it survived the test of time?  Or is it being preserved through
law?  If
Morse Code can survive on it's own they why are so many people
fighting to
preserve it's special status?

Aren't you really afraid that if the Morse Code requirement is dropped
internationally that it will die out as a communications mode?

Most hams aren't really interested in Morse Code as a communications
mode, many
learn it to be able to use more modern communications modes, it serves
a
gatekeeper function, keeping the numbers small because of the fear
that all the
ham bands will become saturated.
[EOB]




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From: [e-mail](Dale Harper)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger) writes:
>
>
>In article <5570q4$[e-mail]>, The Tie-Dyed Side
of the Force ([e-mail]) writes:
>>In article <[e-mail]>,
>>   [e-mail] (james a maxwell) wrote:
>>>The basic code requirement for US hams was set at 10wpm in 1912.  It
was
>>>raised to 13wpm in 1936 to ensure that licensees had gotten beyond
the
>>>"hump" that most people hit at around 10 wpm.
>>
>>A "hump", huh?  Looks more like a wall from here.
>>
>>At that time most ham operation was CW, I assume, so anyone who could
get
>>their speed up to 13 presumably would in due time anyway.  The only
people
>>this would have affected significantly were those who could not get
over
>>the wall at all.
>>
>>Why did the ARRL seek this rule change in the first place?
>>I have heard that they wanted to reduce the number of new hams.
>>If this is true, then they must have believed that a signicant number
of
>>applicants would never be capable of passing the 13 wpm test.  It
would
>>be interesting if they believed that, since it has always seemed to
be
>>the central article of faith amongst the pro-code-testing crowd:
>>that anybody can learn the code.
>>
>
>
>Anyone and I mean anyone can learn the code.  There is only one
>exception, a person that is deaf.  However many people with poor
>hearing have passed the code test using a light bulb.
>
>The code argument goes way past just code.  It reflects attitudes of
>the people of America these days.  All around the world we are called
>the "lazy americans".  For good reason.  Just look at the news story
>that was reported by CNN two days ago.  Collage students cheating on
>tests for $6000.00.  The easy way out.  The people that want to see
>code go away are for the most part lazy.  Plain and simple.  If
>someone studies, and puts forth an effort, that person will learn the
>code.  Like myself, they may even find that using code on the air is
>fun.
>
>My point here with the no-coders is stop being lazy.

I just got my no-code ticket 3 weeks ago. While I agree with your post,
I take direct offense to the above statement. I have been studying the
code since I took the test at least once a day and I do not consider
myself lazy by entering this hobby as I did. I WILL pass the code test
within 1 month from now. I do not consider myself lazy. You may have
meant to say "...point with the no-coders not intending to pass the
test..."

>Put forth an effort to learn something new.  Don't have time you say?
>Then maybe
>you don't really have time for this hobby.  It's just like flying
>model aircraft.  If you don't have time to build one, then you don't
>have time to fly one.

Not true. Although I can spend an hour every couple of nights working
on my Clancy Lazy Bee, or Balsa USA Phaeton 90, the addition of a new
baby to the household precludes trips to the flying field for the
foreseeable future. Just because I can't fly 'em right now, doesn't
mean I won't build 'em right now.

  That is what ham radio is.  It's a building,
>learning, ever expanding experiance.  So you learn something new like
>code, then you use it, then you get better at it, then you upgrade.
>You study and learn the theroy, you build your first radio, you build
>a better one, you work DX.
>
>Here is a thought for you all.  Part 97 says we have no type
acceptance
>requirement for ham radio.  Would eliminating testing force the FCC to
>place type acceptance requirements on us?  Think about it, with
>relaxed testing, no one would really understand and know how radio
>works.  It would become a RF nightmare!
>
>--js
>
>
>
>
>
>
>              -
>              --
>              ---
>-             ----
>---           ------
>-THEY DON'T GET OFF TIL WE COME>
>---           ------
>-             ----
>              ---
>              --
>              -
>              -



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Helton)
Subject: Re: Wanted Used (but working) T1 Channel Banks
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: Well I guess I should have stated that I was assuming that the object
: was to multiplex 24 digital signals. In that case the the analog
: portion would not be needed.

  A channel bank uses T1, a 1.544Mbs signal that is full duplex.  A T1
consists of 24 channels in the US and depending on the T1 signalling choosen
can run 24 56K or 24 64K DATA channels.

The channel cards allow you to select for a wide range of
telecommunications needs.  Typically for data you would have an Office
Channel Unit in the channel bank and a DSU at your data equipment.

If you are working with eithernet, there are a ton of ethernet to T1 muxs
available.

Hope this helps you!
--
                                             [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:07 1996
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> In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Michael White) writes:
> |> > Reason for selling is that I just got married a few months ago and
> |> > either the Ham Gear or me go.
> |> "Yeah, my wife said she'd leave me if I didn't get off the radio.
Over."
>

It doesn't have to be an either/or thing. . .
Put the ham gear in storage until you decide to leave.

Henry  KK6JR, G4NOC
Been there, done that, really.



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:09 1996
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In <557aht$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]-stutt
gart.de () writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Dick Hughes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In general, the correct length of coax for an HF antenna is the
>>distance it takes to get from the transmitter to the antenna.  Don't
>>worry about length.
>
>Please do not disregard situations where the line can be used for
>matching. Take a quad loop, with 100 Ohms input impedance.
>A quaterwave of 75 Ohms line, with a few coiled turns for a balun
>will save you an antenna tuner. And there a other situations
>where matching is simplified (less losses) when using a defined
>length of line for tranformation.
>
>73, Moritz DL5UH
>
>


    Excellent example here. I fed a triband quad with this method for several
years.
It was the only way I could get a GEM Quad to play with a single 50 ohm coax t
o
three tuned 75 ohm quarter wave stubs.
                                                                         Jim W
D9AHF

OS/2 Warp V4  Java Enabled Operating System.


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (KD4GIK)
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Has anyone had any problems receiving the 49er kits from Jim Cates (NORCAL)
in California.  I may be expecting too much but it has been a long time for
me to get my kit.  I ordered it early October and I... sob....sob... have
received nothing.  Please let me know.

73
John-KD4GIK, Dade City, Florida
Home of Sun, Fun, and Guns!





From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:12 1996
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In <3273a6de.14955971@207.126.101.77>, [e-mail] writes:
>On Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:07:23 -0700, Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
>wrote:
>
>>Check my Page for Daily updated NEW and CHANGED callsigns!!!!!!
>>http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860
>>Thanks Dave Booth kc6wfs
>>
>>
>>>>Michael Crestohl wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <54pjrj$[e-mail]>,
>>> Michael Herron  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> >By the end of what week?? See, another loophole! I loved the last
>>> >word on it from the "spokesman" who HAZARDS a GUESS that IF ALL GOES
>>> >WELL they SHOULD..... Hey! Talk about a born politician who will
>>> >tell you exactly what you want to hear and actually say nothing at
>>> >all!! Any comments? Its more fun than the code no code (Carl no
>>> >Carl) waste of time stuff around here at least!!
>>> >
>>>
>>> You know gang, it really boils down to the simple fact that no one knows
>>> nothing!  (How's that for double negatives?)  Just wait and hang out and
>>> one day soon it'll happen.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1 (soon W1??)
>>> [e-mail]
>>
>>--
>>Dave Booth
>Would any reasonable person expect anything more lucid from the FCC or
>any other government department/spokesperson?
>
>It is fun and does make more sense than 99% of the QRN I read on this
>newsgroup.
>
>Randy, AA8TU


  'Charlie' had all of the Gate 2 Day 1 apps inputted since last Thursday. The
y
 have been unsuccessfully attempting to run the lottery since last Friday. Che
ck
 out the Daily update on the www.qrz.com homepage. the same 20 with Monday's
 date are still there.




From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:13 1996
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From: "Joe Berg" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 1-channel radio remote control
Date: 30 Oct 1996 20:17:04 GMT
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Hello,

I'm looking for a single-channel radio (transmitter and receiver) I using
for a project.  This is simular to what my garage door opens does.  The
reveiver needs to be a larger unit, or has the capability to be place in
it's own case.  The distance between transmitter and receiver needs to be
at least 40 feet.

Once the single channel is activated, I need to control a relay.  This
relay can be either 12, 24 or 36 volt circuit.

I have everything in place except the single-channel remote control.

Can seomeone point my in the right direction.

Joe


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:14 1996
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[e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net wrote:
>
> 'Charlie' had all of the Gate 2 Day 1 apps inputted since last
> Thursday. They have been unsuccessfully attempting to run the lottery
> since last Friday. Check out the Daily update on the www.qrz.com
> homepage. the same 20 with Monday's date are still there.

I can see it now...

Due to computer problems, the lottery for Gate 2 vanity call assignments
will be done manually.  Estimated completion date: March, 1998.

So, are we holding up everyone else's new licenses/callsign changes?
Seems to me that the new licensees should have priority at any rate.

drewbob    aa1hx


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:15 1996
From: [e-mail] (Sam Cederas)
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Subject: KD4SLC
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                Anyone know the whereabouts of KD4SLC??  I know what
QRZ saids and other search engines.  King is a friend of mine and he
used to live in Raleigh , N.C.  He and I got licensced together as my
previous call was KD4NMH.  My call now is AD4PY.
        I want to get his email address or phone number or someone get
word to him that I want to say hello to him after a couple of years of
not hearing from him.
        He owes me no money or anything like that....Just a FRIEND is
miss!!

        Thanks.

Sam Cederas
AD4PY
Cary, N.C.
[e-mail]
919-859-9246


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ianp22)
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Subject: CLUBS
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Could any of you give me information on were to take the written exam to
become a ametuer radio owner

please let me now of clubs in the uk

Ian

EMAIL - [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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Subject: Re: RACES, for the tin GODS
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  As with virtually everything you post or re-post, this is 99.99999%
wrong.
On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 13:53:53 -0500, that idiot Burt Fisher posted:
>    There has been much discussion about ARES/RACES etc on the packet
>system.  One message "crows" about the quality of volunteers in
>California, another "cackles" about a dispute between RACES and ARES
>members in TEXAS.To all these people whom are looking to carve their
>niche in amateur radio by participing in so called emergency
>communications: you are wasting your time.  Emergency communications is
>already provided by many other groups, including the american red cross.
>Yes, the ARC was granted use of 220-223 MC by the FCC for their
>emergency communications use. Their attorney who petitioned the FCC is
>also the ARRL General Counsel in WASHINGTON DC.  Most of the members

  Here are the facts, from the real world, from a real, recent disaster in
which emergency communications were needed, Hurricane Fran's blast through
North Carolina on September 5, 1996.

  ARES provided vital communication, linking various offices of the
National Weather Service (including Raleigh and Wilmington), linking the
Governor in Raleigh with sites in Wilmington, coordinating relief efforts,
providing communications assistance for the state Highway Patrol (who
experienced some storm-related equipment problems) etc. EVEN FOR THE RED
CROSS.  Many phone lines were down... many cellular phone sites were
inoperative.  Where VHF repeaters were down, we used VHF beams and high
power, relays and/or HF frequencies to get the messages to the recipient
despite the problems.  Ham radio, VHF and HF, came through.

  Hams were called upon BY THE RED CROSS to operate ham radio stations at
their kitchens (where they fed the homeless) and to assist in coordinating
relief.  I know... I DID IT MYSELF, so this isn't hearsay.  I was there.

  Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, got the proof you are once again
wrong, Wrong, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

=========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author ==========
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)  | They that can give up essential
Engineer/Writer/Adventurer/Raconteur  | liberty to obtain a little
Chairman, Tar Heel Scanner/SWL Group  | temporary safety deserve neither
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA; AEE|liberty nor safety. -Ben Franklin
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:18 1996
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From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 1997 ARRL-Sponsored National Exam Day Dates
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:58:40 -0500
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1997 ARRL-Sponsored National Exam Day Dates

The ARRL-sponsored National Exam Day dates for 1997 will be the last
full weekend of both April and September 1997, as follows:

Spring - April 26 and 27, 1997

Fall - September 27 and 28, 1997

These dates bring our National Exam Day to a full two-day weekend for
both seasons.

January 1997 QST Exam Info will carry a detailed announcement.

If your VE team is interested in scheduling exams during either of these
two weekends, please let us know.

73,

--Bart
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (PETER J MANN)
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Subject: S.A.?
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In your city, town, or village does your local SALVATION ARMY work with
the AMATEUR radio community?  Does  the S. A. HEADQUARTERS have a
dedicated AMATEUR RADIO STATION?  Voice? Packet? HF? VHF?
73 Pete
HAVE A GREAT DAY!



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:20 1996
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From: BRINGER <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Address of OM9AEM ?
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 13:09:24 -0800
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Klaus Tiedemann, DL4EBY wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
> can anybody tell me, if there's a database existing accessable on theCheck w
ith Buckmaster site (http://www.buckmaster.com) or directly
http://199.111.6.2/cgi-bin/do_hamcall

Pierre-Michel
F1EQU
--

> Internet with world wide callsign lists ?
>
> Or does anyboy have the address of OM9AEM ?
>
> Thanks, Klaus.
> __
> [e-mail]             Klaus Tiedemann     On the air : DL4EBY
> [e-mail]   AX25: DL4EBY@DB0GR  In the air : D-6156
> ## CrossPoint v3.11 ##

--

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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jason Tyler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DIRECT CONVERSION RECEIVER
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 21:27:22 GMT
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Can anyone offer me some help PLEASE!!!
I am currently a student studying for an HND in communications/electronic
engineering and I have decided to build a Direct Conversion H.F. short wave
receiver.  The problem is that, I have never built one before and this subject
 is fairly
new to me.  Can anyone offer me some support (hints, circuits, ideas) which wi
ll
enable me to build this type of receiver?
Many thanks.

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:22 1996
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB076
ARLB076 FCC computer down

ZCZC AG56
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 76  ARLB076
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 30, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB076
ARLB076 FCC computer down

The FCC's Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, office reports that its amateur
computer system has been down for the past two days because of
unspecified difficulties. Despite the current problems, the FCC
still hopes to begin issuing Gate 2 vanity call sign grants by the
end of this week, starting with the first-day applications now
entered into their computer system.

Hams are asked to be patient and to refrain from calling the FCC to
inquire about the status of their vanity call sign applications. The
Gettysburg FCC Office Consumer Assistance Staff is not able to
provide further details on the delay.

On a related note, due to the amateur system difficulties, no new
amateur license or upgrade grants have been released since this past
weekend.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (George Arsics jr)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Update
Date: 30 Oct 1996 21:39:10 GMT
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More likely from bureaucratic screw ups!  The FCC is the most
corrupted agency in the federal government!   They pay telephone
clerks $45,000 a year.  Many employees are high school drop
outs.





From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:25 1996
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From: Tim Raffety <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:48:06 -0600
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This whole debate is a bunch of crap.  Sounds to me like a bunch of
former CBers that are no code and slow codes want to be on the HF bands
so bad they think if the materDEBATE on here enough big brother will fell
their pain and do something for them.

..-.  ..-  -.-.  -.-      .-  .-..  .-..    ..-

-.-.  -...  .  .-.  ...   .-.-.-


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James H. Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Update
Date: 30 Oct 1996 21:55:01 GMT
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In article <558htu$[e-mail]>,
George Arsics jr <[e-mail]> wrote:
>More likely from bureaucratic screw ups!  The FCC is the most
>corrupted agency in the federal government!   They pay telephone
>clerks $45,000 a year.  Many employees are high school drop
>outs.

And they murder babies and worship devils!  (Oops - wrong newsgroup!)







From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Stuck in Vanity Gate 2?
Date: 30 Oct 1996 17:09:21 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Thomas J. Alessi <[e-mail]> wrote
:

>There computer system has been "DOWN" since early Monday morning.
>When I called yesterday evening the girl said that the latest
>on issuing is "by the end of the week".

Better hope the crash didn't take out the Vanity Calls database,
and that they have regular backups.


Otherwise, they'll have to start all over from the beginning again!

MD
--
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--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:27 1996
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Subject: Ham Radio Online?
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Does anyone here have their ham radio configured to be remotle controled
by someone on their webpage? I saw a page like that one and lost it.

Please email me your webpage address if you do!

THANKS


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Subject: Tired Old Mans Page
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 14:24:02 -0800
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http://www.why.net/home/robtnew


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Clark Savage Turner)
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Subject: Re: 49er QRP Kits-HELP
Date: 30 Oct 1996 14:28:13 -0800
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You ordered in early October, this is late October, and you are
worried?  I think you might telephone Jim and see where you are
on the list, and if he is putting together kits this week.

No, I have never heard of any problems getting things from Jim
Cates.

Clark
WA3JPG



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne Day)
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In article <558htu$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (George Arsics jr) wrote:

> More likely from bureaucratic screw ups!  The FCC is the most
> corrupted agency in the federal government!   They pay telephone
> clerks $45,000 a year.  Many employees are high school drop
> outs.
>
Say, bruddah... if you ever find out how I can get me one of them $45K jobs
answering a telephone, please share it with me!
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:31 1996
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From: Bob <[e-mail]>
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Subject: CT by K1EA--FT1000MP
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 17:15:20 -0600
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Not sure where to post this question.  Can't contact K1EA/Harvard etc.
BBS seems down and phone number in my operators manual has been
disconnected!  Anyone got updates so that FT1000MP will run on 9.01a??
Where can I get update?  VE7TCP also seems out to lunch.
Bob
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Charles S. Krin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack HTX-212 modification
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 23:52:09 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ronald Glanzer) wrote:

>Does anyone now how to modify Radio Shacks 2m mobile radio (HTX-212) so
>that you can store non-amateur radio frequencies in memory?

>Thanks in advance.
>N0SVC (Ron)

So far as I can find out, this may not be possible- but it was one of
the changes that RS did when they brought out the HTX-242!!! Maybe one
of the brainiacs out there can compare traces and programming to
figure out a way.

ck
Charles S. Krin, DO FAAFP
KC5EVN [e-mail]
"Reckless, Hell! I hit just where I was aimin'"
"Bubba Shot the Jukebox," Mark Chestnut 1995



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:32 1996
From: Jay123a <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] (Goran Stojsic) wrote:
>Subject: EARN $50.000 LEGITIMATELY IN 6 WEEKS
>Newsgroups: alt.answers
>Summary:
>Keywords:
>
>PRINT THIS OUT AND SAVE THIS POSTING ON YOUR COMPUTER,
>               READ IT OVER A COUPLE OF TIMES,
>                                INVEST,
>          AND WATCH THE MAIL BOX FOR THE MONEY!
>

Sure sounds great, send me a few thousand dollars and I'll sign up.

Jay



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:34 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 31 Oct 1996 00:50:16 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>Carl Stevenson wrote:
>>> There's nothing wrong with "wires in the tree" ... but they should be
>>> considered (at least partly) to be part of a WAN, not an isolated voice
>>> in the ether ...
>>
>>I'm sure that you do not mean to imply this Carl but it almost sounds
>>like you advocate the removal of all modes of communication except
>>computer.  Packet is one of my favorite modes and I am working to get
>>higher speed packet here is Austin but I would never make a claim that
>>other modes (SSB, FM and even CW) are somehow worthless and should be
>>done away with.  To me, they are *all* fun and each provides a learning
>>experience as well.
>
>I won't presume to speak for Carl (and we might not agree anyway),
>but I think the WAN model is an appropriate way to think about how
>we interact on our amateur bands. This goes beyond digital modulation
>versus analog modulation and delves into areas amateurs infrequently
>consider. The WAN model applies because we don't operate in isolation.
>Everything we do affects others, and everything that they do affects
>us. In the WAN model, we attempt to work together in ways that maximize
>the utility of the WAN for *all* users, not just for our selfish
>purposes. Though as part of the aggregate, we will ultimately benefit
>as well.

I agree, Gary ...

>
>This sort of thinking comes naturally to digital networkers, but is
>somewhat foreign to analog operators. There are many cooperative
>strategies used in WANs to maximize aggregate throughput. Few of these
>are employed by amateurs operating analog modes, but many of them
>should be. When we throw that wire in the tree, we should consider
>that we are joining a worldwide WAN, and carefully consider the
>impact of our operations on others. If we use the proper strategies,
>our presence on the WAN will contribute to the aggregate throughput
>in a positive manner. If we use improper strategies, we'll reduce
>aggregate throughput, even if our own selfish purposes are served.

I agree, Gary ...
>

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:34 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 31 Oct 1996 00:55:33 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
>
>They only bathed on Saturday night because their only change of clothing
>was their Sunday suit. This is also why perfumes were very popular, most
>folks smelled pretty ripe toward the end of the week. That same lack of
>hygene, with most people suffering from infestation by fleas, ticks, and
>lice in their filthy clothing, was why plague spread so rapidly through
>Europe before the Industrial Revolution. So you could say that the Luddites
>and the saboteurs were fighting to maintain traditional death and disease.

Sounds a LOT like the pro-code crowd ... they're "fighting to maintain
traditional things that will cause the death of ham radio through decay
and attrition ..." ... and most of their rhetoric "smells bad" ...
<grin>

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:35 1996
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Callsign Update
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 96 19:56:01 -0500
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Yes, you're right.  The FCC's computer is down for an unspecified reason.

See ARRL Bulletin #76, dated 30-Oct, which discusses the breakdown.

73 de Stephan Anderman, WA3RKB
Stillwater, NY
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:36 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 31 Oct 1996 00:59:51 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Cecil Moore <[e-mail].c
om> writes:
>Michael Herron wrote:
>> ... how come Carl (THE Anti-code)
>> spends all his time posting on the internet instead of having fun
>> on digital modes, packet, or what have you?
>
>Probably because he is only allowed to use CW and SSB on HF. How
>'bout allowing novices and tech+'s to use digital modes on their
>HF CW bands? IF I can use digital modes in the novice CW portions,
>then why can't they? It just doesn't make any sense at all.

Cecil,

Agreed that it doesn't make any sense ... but the novice band segments
that we tech plus's are allowd to use on HF are not adequate for what I
want to experiment with ... wider bandwidth is called for ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:37 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 31 Oct 1996 01:01:35 GMT
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In <556ppn$[e-mail]>, Michael Herron <[e-mail]> writes:
>I don't have any problems with novice and techs using hf digital
>modes in the novice cw bands, or even allowing them to use them in
>a small area below the novice band on a shared basis.
>

Why have this class system at all?  Why restrict operating privs in all
areas on the basis of proficiency in CW? (other than Code Welfare???)

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:38 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Lud
Date: 31 Oct 1996 01:05:00 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (FORREST
 GEHRKE) writes:
>CS> Can also accurately be used to refer to pro-code fanatics who insist
>CS> (despite the overwhelming body of technical evidence to the contrary
>CS> that "CW is best and gets through where nothing else will."
>
>Please cite the "overwhelming body of technical evidence"
>that CW does *not* get through where nothing else will.

There are many digital modes that will provide 100% error-free copy at
signal to noise ratios where CW signals long since ceased to be hearable
by ANYONE ... even the most skilled CW op cannot copy what can't be
heard.


PACTOR is one, there are others in existence, and many more yet to be
invented by clever hams, if we are given the opportunity to conduct such
experiments ...


Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:39 1996
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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: mars fqcy modification TR9000
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:11:27 -1000
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Does anybody out there know the Modification for the Kenwood TR9000
VHF transceiver???   Its a nifty little unit what with cw/ssb/fm and
loworbit satellite scanner system to account for doppler as passes
overhead.   It however will only got to 143.980 on low end of 2 meters.
It does however go up to 148.995 on xmit on the high side of the band.
Is there or has there ever been a modification I can do to go down
lower on Xmit.  Say around 142Mhz??????????????.
Tnx in advance for any info you mite have and pls send to me email
your response.
                 Joe KH6JF/ABM6JF




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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:41 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code or No Code...
Date: 31 Oct 1996 01:12:46 GMT
Organization: American Information Systems, Inc.
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In <54bprd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>[e-mail] says...
>>Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> >It is well-accepted in the engineering community that there
>> >are many modulation and coding combinations that are FAR more effective
>> >than OOK Morse in the face if poor channel conditions such a fading,
>> >interference, and noise ...
>
>> That's nice. How many of these are in use in the amateur bands? How
>> many are available in commerically-available ham gear?
>
>An even better question is how many of those modes can Carl himself build
>from scratch?
>
>We're not all appliance ops like you, Carl. You're idea of homebrewing
>is to open the box, remove the packing material, plug in the rig and
>auto-tuner, and connect the store-bought antenna.

Jeff,

That is another ridiculous statement ... you know full well from my
previous posts that I am an RF design engineer (now manager of RF
engineering for a 2 billion dollar electonics manufacturing company)
with over 25 years of experience in designing everything from HF to
satellite and microwave gear ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:42 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Digital VS. CW Testing
Date: 31 Oct 1996 01:19:08 GMT
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In <54dp9e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>Ramon Gandia  <rfg.at.nome.dot.net@no, .spam.please> wrote:
>
>>Fellows, I think both modes have their strengths and weaknesses.

>>Under very difficult conditions, noise, QRM, etc it is likely that
>>CW will get thru better than digital modes.

This is incorrect ... proper digital modes will get through in noise and
QRM where CW cannot even be heard ... FHSS is used by the military
BECAUSE it is EXTREMELY resistant to jamming ...

>In normal conditions, the digital will outstrip the CW for speed.

In all conditions the digital will outstrip the CW for speed.

>
>Wonder why everyone ignores the limitation of the speed of digital modes:
>The typing speed of the operator who initiates a message?

Because I can type ahead (precompose) a message and transmit it as a
rapid burst, then while I am thinking about what I want to say next or
the other party is composing a reply, others can use the frequency ...
the idea that a "QSO" must continuously occupy a dedicated channel is
an EXSTREMELY wasteful and antiquated idea ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:43 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Q: No Code - Know Everything Else
Date: 31 Oct 1996 01:45:54 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve  - KF2
TI (Landing, NJ)) writes:
>In article <54m8jh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>says...
>> The problem is that ham radio is a (supposedly) technical activity ...
>> see Part 97.1 ... but we (collectively) are NOT keeping up with our
>> charter to be a technical service and training ground ... in fact, many
>> current hams specifically and emphatically oppose the introduction of
>> new techniques into ham radio because they're "different" (than those
>> current techniques that they are familiar with) and because they fear
>> that these new techniques will conflict with their preferred methods ...
>
>Carl, you change tactics as often as people change
>socks.  What new technology??  I defy you to show any
>of the techno wizardry you keep whining about!!!  What
>is going to save the HF bands from commercial use??


Steve,

It is clear from your past posts that you wouldn't understand if I told
you, and you're a jerk, so this will be my last and final response to
you ... go blow yourself ...


Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Geiger)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: 31 Oct 96 01:49:09 GMT
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*cheer Burt* (Why did I do that? Maybe because of his elegant summary as to
the virtues of CW.)
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:45 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: 31 Oct 1996 01:50:11 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve  - KF2
TI (Landing, NJ)) writes:
>In article <546bnr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>says...
>> In <[e-mail]>, Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:
>> No ...  despite your aversion to reality, we are a service with a hobby
>> aspect ...  see Part 97.1 ...  try reading and learning something for a
>> change ...  I know it's harder than spouting off with no idea of what
>> you're talking about (your normal mode of operation), but you really
>> should try it ..
>>
>
>Obviously CaRl has been looking into his mirror and lip
>reading again.  Gee cArL, for someone with no radio,
>you seem to be abale to monitor alot.

I NEVER said I didn't have a radio ... what I have, and how I use it is
none of YOUR business, Steve.

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:46 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
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In <[e-mail]>, Sam Afano <[e-mail]> writes:

>Myself, I don't build radios nor repair them.  I don't really care how
>tubes and transistors work, nor give a hoot about building homebrew
>stuff.

Then you're not *really* a ham ... you're a CBer who knows the code ...

>To me, Morse code is something that should be a requirement, and if
>nothing more, is a filtering system that seperates the serious ham radio
>candidate from the "not quite as serious" candidate.

If what you said above is true, YOU'RE not serious about ham radio ...
you're just a "talker" ...

It's truly sad that ham RADIO is being taken over by people like you
that have no interest in RADIO ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:48 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: 31 Oct 1996 02:04:24 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger) writes:
>
>The people that want to see
>code go away are for the most part lazy.  Plain and simple.

No, many of us are technical professionals with many years of directly
applicable experience who would like to work on advanced communications
methods, hardware, protocols, etc. and have NO interest in EVER using
the code.

There is NOTHING to be served by forcing us to learn something we will
never use ...

There is MUCH to lose by causing us to devote our attention and spare
time activity in other areas ...  YOU lose ... ham radio loses ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Dennis P. Havlena)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Stuck in Vanity Gate 2?
Date: 31 Oct 1996 02:12:58 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (BJ) says:

>Anybody hear why the Monday and Tuesday FCC.ftp postings are blank?
>All vanity update sites still show Monday am as last update (with
>weekend filings.)
>Did a Gettysburg ghost do this as a Halloween prank?
>
>

Hi from the Straits of Mackinac

FCC computer system is down -- see current arrl bulletin.
Claim FCC is still aiming at getting something out by week's end.

73   Dennis Havlena  -  W8UR
[e-mail]

web-page   http://edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu/~dhavlena/



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:49 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Morse is Macho (so what?)
Date: 31 Oct 1996 02:19:35 GMT
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Another, probably hopeless, appeal to logic from the pro-coders:


Why you people insist on some manual-dexterity "requirement" that's
clearly irrelevant to one's knowledge of radio and electronics?

This is NOT a competitive sport where one's physical coordination =
machismo = "better" ... it is a technical endeavour where one's
intellectual prowess and knowledge and the bettering thereof are
*supposed* to be the goals.

Why must some of you insist on trying to turn it into some sort of a
physical coordination/agility/ability contest?

If you want to demonstrate physical abilities, go play sports with the
rest of the jocks ... and leave us radio geeks alone ... <grin>


Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:50 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RACES, for the tin GODS
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 21:27:24 -0500
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Curt Phillips wrote:
>
>   As with virtually everything you post or re-post, this is 99.99999%
> wrong.

You are very smart.


> On Sun, 27 Oct 1996 13:53:53 -0500, that idiot Burt Fisher posted:

Bet you have no balls to say that to my face.


>   Hams were called upon BY THE RED CROSS to operate ham radio stations at
> their kitchens (where they fed the homeless) and to assist in coordinating
> relief.  I know... I DID IT MYSELF, so this isn't hearsay.  I was there.

I bet the hams ate well.



>   Been there, done that, got the T-shirt, got the proof you are once again
> wrong, Wrong, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, WRONG.

Actually the comments I posted were not mine.
I merely agreed with them.

#================#===================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics   |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)              |
|    K1OIK       |  If you sit on the fence, it is a pain in the butt|
#================#===================================================#
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If you try to milk too much, you won't get a drop
Samantha Fisher


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:51 1996
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From: Steve Johnson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Tucker Update
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:36:27 -0600
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On October 19, 1996 the Kenwood and Icom service dept of Tucker
Electronics was purchased by AVVid. This reverses a purchase made by
Tucker Electronics in November, 1995 when Tucker Electronics purchased
the amateur radio service department of AVVid to establish a service
center.

AVVid has been an authorized Kenwood Service Center since November, 1993
and now continues in this tradition with the addition of Icom Service
(pending). Any inquiries may be made to AVVid, 10040A Monroe Dr. Dallas,
Tx. 75229. Telephone [phone] or local to Dallas, 214-350-6770.

Note: Thanks to all of my past customers and I hope to be able to help
you again. For those who don't know me I have been servicing amatuer
radio equipment (primarily Kenwood) since 1981 on a part time basis and
since 1993 full-time.   Clif Holland KA5IPF  Owner


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:52 1996
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From: Dave Maley <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FT-900 Noise Blanker
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 20:39:49 -0600
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Brett Collins wrote:
>
> The noise blanker on my FT-900CAT has little if any effect on line
> noise at my QTH. Anyone have a mod that works? I would rather see
> what someeone else has done before I tear into a new $1300 rig.
>
> thanks guys, Brett

Brett; Yaesu has a service bulletin out on the FT-900 noise blanker.
It can be improved if you don't mind working with surface-mount
components.  Went through the mod and got a blanker the takes the tops
off of lightning crashes.  There's a little distortion, but well worth
the trade.  See if you can talk your dealer out of a copy.  Let me know
what you think of the change.  73  Dave.....WA0ZZG
AR


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From: [e-mail] (George Arsics jr)
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Subject: Re: Stuck in Vanity Gate 2?
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FCC bureaucrats routinely lie.   They're too busy stuffing
tax payer money in their pockets.



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rich McAllister)
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Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
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In article <5570q4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (The Tie-Dy
ed Side of the Force) writes:

> Why did the ARRL seek this rule change [10 -> 13 WPM] in the first place?
> I have heard that they wanted to reduce the number of new hams.

After getting past the 10WPM "hump" the code is a conditioned reflex,
not a conscious memory. It's well known from lab psych experiments
that conditioned reflexes aren't forgotten like a conscious memory.
Remember the old cliche about "you never forget how to ride a bike"?
Same thing. So by forcing people past the hump, fewer people would
fall into the trap of learning the code to 10WPM, having to put
ham radio to the side for other things temporarily, and having
to start all over again to come back -- which would *reduce*
the number of hams.
--
Rich McAllister, KO6CL, [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David C Gill)
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If there is a list of other ham reflectors, I would like to have it.



David C. Gill - K9FHX
Milan, IL U.S.A.
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Victor)
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Subject: Re: Stuck in Vanity Gate 2?
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Must be all those 12AX7's are flat in the FCC's computer!!!!

(Just like the one's that the FAA system runs on....)

WA6SUY


>Hi from the Straits of Mackinac
>
>FCC computer system is down -- see current arrl bulletin.
>Claim FCC is still aiming at getting something out by week's end.
>
>73   Dennis Havlena  -  W8UR
>[e-mail]
>
>web-page   http://edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu/~dhavlena/
>


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Geiger)
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Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
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I just thought I would put my $.02 in...

I am a Tech Plus.  Admittedly, I AM being held back by the code
requirements.   However, I think the current priveleges levels are fine.
Digimodes need to stay where there is enough room for them.  I've said it
before, and I'm gonna say it again, CW IS THE BEST MODE FOR EMERGENCIES!!!
Sure, there are modes that may be able to get through QRM easier, but how
many of those modes can be home-brewed by the normal user???  How many of
those modes DON'T require a computer?  CW is valuable.  Don't let HF become
more like CB.

Just my $.02, remember?

Benjamin Geiger, [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:10:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (wb6siv)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New online survey asks--->Why aren't you an ARRL member?
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:44:31 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Clint
Bradford) wrote:

> >>Why aren't you an ARRL member?
>
> I question your motives, Raymond, in posting these so-called "results"
> here for us.
>
> The questions are poorly worded. The overall "poll" is negative in tone,
> thereby enticing a biased audience to respond.
>
> And, apparently, no one can enter their own response - or further
> explanation of their responses.

Clint, you can enter you personal comments simply e-mail them to me and I
will post them on an established page set up for ham opinion on Ham Poll
question.

I understand you do not like the questions. I was not trying to make them
negitive, but I did want to capture the reasons some do not join the ARRL.
Writing a poll question is not the easyest thing in the world to do. You
all always seem to offend someone. 73's Ray
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:00 1996
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Public Service Top 10 List
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        10 Ways to Optimize Your Effectiveness in Public Service Events
                        by Willam L. Continelli, AB2CA


1)   Make sure your radio is in top operating condition.  Small problems (such
as loose antenna connections, bad microphones, intermittent operation, etc.)
may be just annoying during casual operation, but WILL cause major grief under
the continuous/severe service of net/emergency operation.  If your radio's not
in 100% top shape, buy, beg, or borrow one.

2)   Don't operate your handheld with it hanging on your belt.  Using the
radio while it's strapped to your waist reduces your effective radiated power
by more than 10 dB.  That's a 90% reduction in power!  Hold the radio in your
hand, with the antenna in the clear.

3)   Regarding antennas, those 3" rubber dummy loads may be cute, but you're
throwing away 3-6 dB of power when using one.  (If you're REALLY into math,
compute the loss of a 3" rubber dummy load used on a beltclip).  A telescoping
half-wave has a gain of as much as 10 dB over a 3" rubber duck and a quarter-
wave provides a 4-6 dB improvement.  Even a 12-15" rubber duck will boost your
signal by 3-6 dB over the 3" ones.  Remember that one dB can mean the
difference in whether or not a critical message gets through.

4)   Have charged batteries and spare battery packs!  If you also have a dry
cell battery case, fill it with alkaline batteries.  Make sure you have enough
batteries with you to carry you through, even on high power.

5)   Use headphones or an earphone rather than a speaker/mike.  Most earphones
will plug directly into your HT.  Low cost stereo headphones are widely
available and will work perfectly with your HT using a mono to stereo adapter.
The headphones also have the advantage of concentrating the communications in
your ears, while partially shutting out the outside noise.  Headphones will
also prolong battery life by allowing the radio to operate at lower audio
output.  A speaker/mike is the worst thing you can use--it doesn't cut the
outside noise, it doesn't save batteries, and where is that HT while you're
using the speaker/mike??  (Hint--see #2!)

6)   Speak slowly and clearly when transmitting!  You may take pride in your
ability to run your words together and mumble, but the station on the other
end may be in a noisy environment and may not receive your message.

7)   Check out your ability to use simplex.  Even if the operation is being
conducted on a repeater, there may be "dead spots", the repeater may go down,
or, sad to say, there may be jamming.  Even if you can only work the 2 or 3
stations closest to you, a message can still be relayed.  To maximize your
simplex range, please reread #2 and #3.

8)   Listen to net control and direct all communication through him/her.
Identify your station when calling net control and keep all communications
direct and to the point.

9)   If you must leave the radio or the area to which you have been assigned,
first seek permission and acknowledgement from the net control station, make
your "time off" as short as possible, and check back in with NCS immediately
upon your return.

10)  Project a good image to the non-hams around you that are part of the
event/emergency.  This means acting professionally, using basic hygiene
skills, etc.

     (Please feel free to reprint this in club newsletters, etc., providing
credit to the author and "RF Musings", newsletter of the Schenectady Museum
Amateur Radio Association - Schenectady, NY.  The author can be contacted on
the internet at [e-mail] or at his FCC database address.)



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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
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Subject: RE: FCC
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>>The FCC squandered approximately $30 million over the past year
>>in unnecessary  travel.

Well, George, without telling us how you believe this to be true,
you've merely wasted a couple hundred bytes of our hard drives
yourself.


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Laura Serbu)
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subscribe info-hams laura serbu



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
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[e-mail] (Rich & Katy Mulvey) wrote:

>For the past few nights I've been listening to 80M SSB.  I
>heard operators call each other "asshole", intentionally interfere
>with a Spanish QSO in progress because they didn't want any "spics"
>on *THEIR* frequency, not to mention the numerous references to
>this or that "bitch."  Do I need to get into the extra-class op
>who was counseling a new General that he didn't need to use
>a counterpoise ( or, as he put it, "Them wires hangin' off'n the
>bottom ) on his new vertical?  Is *THAT* the level of expertise
>that we're looking to strive for?

This argument is quickly growing very lame, Rich.  So in the United States
there are two dozen guys on 80 meters raising hell, and on 14.313 there
are two dozen more fighting with the sailboat/phonepatch group.  So what.
Don't listen, and it won't bother you any more.

Ham radio isn't any different than any other group of people.  If you want
perfect people, turn off the radio and go to Sunday School.

>I spend most >of my time using CW on HF, but, quite frankly, I'm
>getting quite tired of the RST/WX/QTH QSO's.  When I attempt to
>bring up a new subject, my questions are usually ignored, or the
>other op's XYL suddenly needs them, urgently.

Could be several explanations for that phenomenon.  First, maybe you
are being ignored when you ask questions because your sending is so
bad the other guy can't figure out what you sent.  Second, mosts hams
are pretty boring people.  You have to really do some hunting around to
find someone interesting to talk to.  Maybe YOU are boring, that's why
nobody wants to talk to you.  Hard to tell, since I haven't heard you on
the radio, but those are some possibilities for you to ponder.

>On the VHF+ bands, on the other hand, I  can *always* find someone
>who wants to talk intelligently about construction, a new digital mode
>to try out, or even, *gasp*, something other than radio and the
>traffic conditions on the expressway.

Well, there you go.  Turn on the VHF radio, and turn off the HF radio.
That's how ham radio is supposed to work, you go do the part that
YOU think is the fun part, and live happily ever after.

73, Jim KH2D








From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Eric Smith)
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Subject: morse code keyer with recorded message?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 09:29:08 GMT
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I need a fancy morse code keyer which can record a message.  I don't
really know what kind of stuff is available, because I've been out of ham
radio for decades.  But what I need is basically something you can key
a message into, and then play it back endlessly.  It would be connected
to the equipment in place of an ordinary morse code key.  (Assuming
ordinary morse code keys are still used.)

--  Eric Smith   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:04 1996
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From: "John L. Roblin" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 49er QRP Kits-HELP
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 01:44:49 -0800
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John,

I saw a posting on the QRP-L mailing list from Jim Cates of Norcal
saying that the 40-9'er is sold out and now unavailable.  Hope you got
your order there in time!  Otherwise a refund is in order!

This is my first newsgroup posting ever!  I am new to the internet and
it would be nice if you could verify that you got this.

73,  John Roblin,  WA6KYO   Whiterook Products Co., Ventura, CA

(If you are into QRP, check out my brand new website)

John Roblin,  WA6KYO
President
Whiterook Products Company
309 South Brookshire Ave.
Ventura, CA  93003

Telephone:  [phone]
E-Mail:  [e-mail]
WWW Site:  http://www.west.net/~wpc


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Needed: Photocopy of schematic/manual for WRL Duobander
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:11:16 GMT
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Hello guys,
I need the schematic / circuit diagram AND/OR a manual copy for a WRL
Duo-Bander 84 rig. I'll be glad to pay the usual copying & postage if
someone
can help me out with this.

Please e-mail me. Many thanks & 73 de AF4K / G3XLQ
Bry = [e-mail]

73 from Amateur Radio AF4K  /  G3XLQ
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Home of MEGALIST ham radio files, pirate links etc. etc.



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Needed: Jones connector
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:14:47 GMT
Organization: MEGALIST www.mnsinc.com/bry/
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Hello guys:
I need a 12 pin Cinch-Jones connecter FEMALE, Cable end.
This is the P.S. connector used on the old WRL DUO-BANDER 84 rig I have
acquired.

Any leads would be appreciated. I have a bunch of other old BA parts I could
trade for it or whatever.

Any help or leads would be appreciated.

Please e-mail me at  [e-mail]

73 de Bry - G3XLQ / W4  &  AF4K

73 from Amateur Radio AF4K  /  G3XLQ
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Home of MEGALIST ham radio files, pirate links etc. etc.



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (BJ)
Subject: Re: Gate Two Day One ready?
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[e-mail] (John Mitchell) wrote:

>Had a report from a ham who called FCC on Friday, 10-18. The word is that
>day one callsigns will be mailed out on Monday,10-21.  Still nothing on
>the servers I monitor...
As of Thursday 10-31, the word from Gettysburg is that they hope to
begin issuing Gate 2 vanity calls by the end of this week!
The data is entered, the computer seems to be working so,
5-4-3-2-1.......





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From: Sam Afano <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity callsign update:  FCC computers down
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 05:49:48 -0600
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ARLB076: FCC computer down

SB QST @ ARL $ARLB076
ARLB076 FCC computer down

ZCZC AG56
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 76  ARLB076
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 30, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB076
ARLB076 FCC computer down

The FCC's Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, office reports that its amateur
computer system has been down for the past two days because of
unspecified difficulties. Despite the current problems, the FCC
still hopes to begin issuing Gate 2 vanity call sign grants by the
end of this week, starting with the first-day applications now
entered into their computer system.

Hams are asked to be patient and to refrain from calling the FCC to
inquire about the status of their vanity call sign applications. The
Gettysburg FCC Office Consumer Assistance Staff is not able to
provide further details on the delay.

On a related note, due to the amateur system difficulties, no new
amateur license or upgrade grants have been released since this past
weekend.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve  - KF2TI (Landing, NJ))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:05:02 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
> This whole debate is a bunch of crap.  Sounds to me like a bunch of
> ..-.  ..-  -.-.  -.-      .-  .-..  .-..    ..-
>
> -.-.  -...  .  .-.  ...   .-.-.-
>


-  ...  -.-    -  ...  -.- !!!

--
Steve - KF2TI (Advanced Class & Damned Proud of IT!)
ARRL LIFE MEMBER

No Code or Know Code...Who Cares??

How can you be in Two Places at Once When You're
Not Anywhere at All??


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: 31 Oct 1996 07:22:38 -0500
Organization: The Ace Tomato Company
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In article <5591f8$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>There is NOTHING to be served by forcing us to learn something we will
>never use ...

There is NOTHING to be served by forcing me to learn RTTY, which I will
never use...

There is NOTHING to be served by forcing me to learn packet, which I will
never use...


Hmmm. We can use that logic to eliminate everything....

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:10 1996
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From: Tim Raffety <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:03:05 -0600
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Steve - KF2TI (Landing, NJ) wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> says...
> > This whole debate is a bunch of crap.  Sounds to me like a bunch of
> > ..-.  ..-  -.-.  -.-      .-  .-..  .-..    ..-
> >
> > -.-.  -...  .  .-.  ...   .-.-.-
> >
>
> -  ...  -.-    -  ...  -.- !!!
>
> --
> Steve - KF2TI (Advanced Class & Damned Proud of IT!)
> ARRL LIFE MEMBER
>
>

-..  ---   |    ..-    |   -  ....  ..  -.  -.-   |   .-  .-..  .-..

-  ....  .  ...  .   |  -...  .-  -...  -.--  ...  |   -.-.  .-  -.

-  .-  -.-  .   |   .-  .-..  .-..   |   -  ....  ..  ...

-.-.  ---  -..  .  |   ..--..


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (George Arsics jr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC to be Abolished
Date: 31 Oct 1996 13:05:18 GMT
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      Let's face it, as reported in the last issue of W5YI Report,
there's
a bill in Congress to turn over home entertainment & electronics
interference authority to the individual states.   Llicensing
requirements
for aircraft & ships has been canceled.  AND the House
Telecommunications
subcommittee next year will begin a top to bottom review of ALL
employee positions in the FCC.
The handwriting is on the wall.  The FCC has squandered & wasted
too much of the public's money!
Also the Heritage Foundation & Progress Freedoms Foundations
indicates they are preparing for a new round of Congressional
hearing next year on the FCC's future.





From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:13 1996
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From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amateur Radio Newsline #1002  25 Oct 1996
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 07:28:01 -0600
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Michael P. Deignan wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]>,
>         Steve_Coletti <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >                               MORE HF BANDS
> >
> >   Will there be more ham bands in the future for ham radio?  Possibly,
> >according to ARRL President Rod Stafford, KB6ZV.
>
> This must obviously be a mis-print. According to His Most Omniscent,
> Carl, everyone in existance wants our HF bands. That's why we must
> flood them with millions of codeless HF licensees -- to "protect"
> them.

I don't recall that Carl was concerned specifically about the HF bands.

IMO, it is the bands on 900 MHz and up that are most valuable.
Certainly the recent FCC spectrum auctions are evidence of this *FACT*.
How many corporations are paying big bucks for HF access, Michael?

So we get some more of the garbage bands on HF...big deal.

--                             "Rest enough for the individual man - [but] too

Kevin Jessup                   much or too soon and we call it Death.  But for

software engineer                  MAN, no rest and no ending.  He must go on,

Marquette Medical Systems           conquest beyond conquest...and when he has

http://www.mei.com               conquered all the depths of space and all the

[e-mail]      mysteries of time, still he will be beginning."

PGP encrypted Email preferred                 -- H.G. Wells, Things To Come


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Carl Steckler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Info on KLM 2M amp wanted
Date: 31 Oct 1996 13:30:50 GMT
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I am looking for information and hopefully a schematic for a KLM PA
10-140BL amp.
Thanks
email me at [e-mail]

--
Carl (Ex-Jarhead) Semper-Fi
KB2SGX -.-  -...  ..---  ...  --.  -..-
"For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will
 never know"
Unknown Marine, Khe Sahn, Viet Nam



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: morse code keyer with recorded message?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:13:55 GMT
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[e-mail] (Eric Smith) wrote:

>I need a fancy morse code keyer which can record a message.  I don't
>really know what kind of stuff is available, because I've been out of ham
>radio for decades.  But what I need is basically something you can key
>a message into, and then play it back endlessly.  It would be connected
>to the equipment in place of an ordinary morse code key.  (Assuming
>ordinary morse code keys are still used.)

>--  Eric Smith   [e-mail]

Grab the latest ham magazine, Eric. There are lots of memory keyers
available.  Or give AES a call - 800-558-0411.

73, Jim KH2D



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:15 1996
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Subject: TS 790A WANTED
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:01:21 GMT
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I WOULD LIKE TO BUY AN USED TS790A OF KENWOOD FOR A SATELLITE USE.
PLEASE MAKE ME THE OFFERS TO MY    E-MAIL   [e-mail].
MY BEST REGARDS AND 73┤DXS.
EA2AFI
PEDRO HONDEVILLE
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Christian M. Hondeville Urrutibeheity

Particular de club 2                                  Phone:  [phone]
Las Arenas-48930                                      Fax:    [phone]
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anton Laukhin)
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                 HI All
   eeAnyone use a TNOS v.2.20 for Ampr.Org Net? I need some help! Thanks a lot
.
  D
 Anton, RV3DHC



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Lileeth A Atkinson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: KENWOOD TH-79AD(H) MODIFICATION SUCCESSFUL
Date: 31 Oct 1996 15:23:25 GMT
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I've seen questions regarding this in all three forums, so I've crossposted.

Very recently picked up a Kenwood TH-79AD(High-Power) handheld.  After searchi
ng
the net for a day, and finding out not much of anything, I decided to
experiment.  I'm sure all of you have been looking.

The serial number (date code) on the radio is 7040-something.  Brand new unit.

Despite what the original author believes(talked with him yesterday), the
published mod for the 79a *DOES* work.  I have a couple suggestions to add
though.

First, the original mod suggests that you remove the ribbon cable.  From the
people who have tried this method, it seems as though they have problems with
their keyboards.  Chances are, the ribbon cable (which incidentally is *really
*
thin) is probably not being put back correctly.  Suggestion #1 - LEAVE THE
RIBBON CABLE ALONE.

Next, There is the MARS/CAP modification that tells you to CUT the green wire.
From what I've seen and heard, you can only do the MARS/CAP modification or
the wideband modification.  In my opinion, unless you need specific access
to 420-438mhz, I'd leave it alone.  I simply did the wideband modification.
I'm not going to repeat(or look up for that matter) what freq's it opens up,
but I'm summarize the results.  EXTENDED RECEIVE AND EXTENDED TRANSMIT.

I talked with an electrical engineer who did surface mount tech work for
Panasonic.   If you don't know what surface mount tech involves, THINK small.
Not just small, tiny tiny tiny.  He used magnifying glasses, special lights,
and even microscopes to work on some units.  It requires special tools.

The people I've talked with have had problems trying to desolder this diodes.
THEY ARE WAY TOO SMALL AND TOO CLOSE TOGETHER.

Now listen, I'm just a regular kid off the street.  I've assembled heathkit
projects, and built little tone generators and the like.  I don't have any
surface mount experience at all.  I certainly don't have the tools or the skil
l.
After talking with this tech, he suggested that I cut the diodes off the board
with an exacto knife.  Didn't have one of those either.  So I used one of
those tiny flat head screwdrivers you buy at Radio Shack.

VERY CAREFULLY, I took the screwdriver and pressed down firmly on the legs
of the diodes.  This literally cut the diode from the leg soldered on the boar
d
This would normally sound hard to do, but remember these legs are a FRACTION
of a millimeter.  After that, I used tweezers to pull the diode off the board.
BTW, the diode is glued to the board, but a firm pull removes it.  I did this
to the two diodes.  I removed both diodes cleanly.  No damage at all to the
PC BOARD.

Put back the four screws, turned on the unit and blam-o.  One modified unit.

Think this is a fluke ?  Think I got lucky ?  Nope.  A friend brought his
79AD(H) over, and he performed the mod exactly the way I had mine.  BOOM,
clean removal, no problems.  No keyboard problems, no iradic operation. Just
a clean uncensored radio.

This is not meant to be a standalone mod.  Use this message as an addendum
to the original modification document.  Its like rel 1.5.  The filename
everywhere is '79a.txt' in the Kenwood directory under mods.  The file
structure is basically setup the same everywhere, whether it be FTP, HTTP, or
gopher.  mods/kenwood/79a.txt.  Searching a web engine like
http://www.altavista.com or http://www.lycos.com or http://www.yahoo.com
will definitely yield results.

Hope this answers any questions.  Thanks to Renegade.

VeeBee



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Skid Schermerhorn, W1TTY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Stuck in Vanity Gate 2?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:24:35 GMT
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[e-mail] (BJ) wrote:

>Anybody hear why the Monday and Tuesday FCC.ftp postings are blank?
>All vanity update sites still show Monday am as last update (with
>weekend filings.)
>Did a Gettysburg ghost do this as a Halloween prank?


SB QST @ ARL $ARLB076
ARLB076 FCC computer down

ZCZC AG56
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 76  ARLB076
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 30, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB076
ARLB076 FCC computer down

The FCC's Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, office reports that its amateur
computer system has been down for the past two days because of
unspecified difficulties. Despite the current problems, the FCC
still hopes to begin issuing Gate 2 vanity call sign grants by the
end of this week, starting with the first-day applications now
entered into their computer system.

Hams are asked to be patient and to refrain from calling the FCC to
inquire about the status of their vanity call sign applications. The
Gettysburg FCC Office Consumer Assistance Staff is not able to
provide further details on the delay.

On a related note, due to the amateur system difficulties, no new
amateur license or upgrade grants have been released since this past
weekend.
NNNN
/EX


Skid Schermerhorn        http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme
Cape Cod, Massachusetts  http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/bookmark.htm
USA                      http://www.capecod.net/~sscherme/church.htm



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (KC7FYS)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 49er QRP Kits-HELP
Date: 31 Oct 1996 10:26:51 -0500
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Yeah, don't worry.  It's too early to be concerned.  I got mine in Japan
and no problems. You're dealing with a good guy.
Jonathan kc7fys\7j1awl


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fabrizio Sartoni)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: If the PC disturbs: solution.
Date: 31 Oct 1996 16:07:21 GMT
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Hi dr OMs & TNX for selecting this msg.

Maybe you've experienced radio disturbs from the PC.
The kind of disturbs dealt with here, are the ones
produced by PC monitors.
You immediately identify this kind of disturbs when
they disappear completely, after switching off the
monitor, even if the PC is on.

If this happens while you are connected to a DXCLUSTER,
sometimes you have to switch the monitor off to receive,
then on again to see the spots.

What I suggest is not a particular wiring or screening:
just change the spot reception philosophy.
I mean: instead of looking at the spots on the screen,
you can listen to the spots, being spelled by your PC.
How? DXHUNTER will do the job for you.

You can have the spot voice spelling either on a sound
card (Sound Blaster like) or on the PC speaker, with
good quality.
You can set DXHUNTER for a voice spell on new ones only,
or set it for a voice spell on any spot.
You can replay the last spot if you loose part of it.
Spots are spelled entirely (Call and Frequency) and a short
audio warn prompts you to get the spelling.
If your ear works better with CW than voice, you can set
DXHUNTER for a CW spell.

What do you think about it?

You can download DXHUNTER from
http://www.funet.fi/pub/ham/hf-work/
file name DXH51ENG.ZIP, size 1.1 M.
A txt file is also available (DXH51ENG.TXT) where you can
have a summary of DXHUNTER's features.

Even if you don't agree with my solution, about fighting PC
Monitor's noise, you can discover other interesting features
that may solve other problems.

73 to all, de Fabrizio (IK4VYX).
HOME radio BBS: [e-mail]
E-mail: [e-mail]

You find me often at NO4J DXCluster during my morning and afternoon time.





From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Lui)
Subject: Packet Freqs for Orange County, CA.
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I'm working in Irvine and wanted to know what the local packet activity
here is, i.e. 2m frequencies and nodes to connect to. At home in Alhambra
(near Pasadena), I use 144.91, but that doesn't seems to work around here.

Stephen


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Digital VS. CW Testing
Date: 31 Oct 1996 16:42:44 GMT
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We're proposing to link a mess of repeaters using digital voice
transmitted on 56kb digital links.

"Gasp,", you say, "what a revolutionary idea!"  Not hardly.  It's
exactly what happens when you pick up that telephone and call anywhere
in the USA with it - soon, nearly anywhere in the world.

The stuff to do this is showing up surplus at electro-junk stores
priced BY THE POUND.  Add a GRAPES modem and a little bit of glue
circuity, and it's solved.  After all, the telephone company was
doing it thirty years ago, why can't hams start doing it now?

No, it's not keyboard-to-keyboard, but it's digital, and it's fast
digital, and it'll sound better than just about anything else on the air.
And you don't need to type fast to use it.  Just move your lips.
Hams are good at that, it seems.
        - Brian


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From: [e-mail] (J.P. Kleinhaus)
Subject: Re: CT by K1EA--FT1000MP
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Bob ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Not sure where to post this question.  Can't contact K1EA/Harvard etc.
: BBS seems down and phone number in my operators manual has been
: disconnected!  Anyone got updates so that FT1000MP will run on 9.01a??
: Where can I get update?  VE7TCP also seems out to lunch.
: Bob
: [e-mail]

Bob:  CT version 9.27 works fine with the FT-1000MP. If you are a registered
version 9 user, you can download an update from the CT BBS.  They have
recently moved and the new number is [phone].  I hope this
helps you.

73, J.P. AA2DU

--
=====================================================================
J.P. Kleinhaus, AA2DU
ARRL Hudson Division C.A.C. Representative
E-mail:  [e-mail]
Compu$erve:  74660,2606

It's not a bug...It's a feature!!
=====================================================================



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Ham Poll results As of 10/30 "Why aren't you an ARRL member?"
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wb6siv ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The question for October/November 1996:

: Why Have You Not Chosen To Join The ARRL?

: Less than 1/3 of all ham radio operators are members of the ARRL. The
: question for this month is
: directed to those of you who are not members.

: From the list of possible reasons below, select the reason that best
: describes why you have not
: chosen the join the ARRL.

: The results:

: The dues are too high. |******************* 19

In case everyone hasn't heard, dues go up next year, from $31 to $34.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need GE and Motorola Information
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
Hughes) writes:
>I recently purchased some GE Mastr II's and some Motorola Micors that I
>have been told will go to the 2 Meter band. Has any one had any
>experience they could help me with on these. The Mastr II's are 8
>frequency mobiles with scan heads. Need info on where to get crystals. We
>want to take a couple and convert to a repeater. Any one done that? If so
>wiring would help as well as time - out timers and Iders, etc.
>Also want to put some on Packet. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>Also we got some standard mobile units for 6 meters need to find where to
>order the Eproms to change them over.

The Mastr II makes an excellent repeater. Crystals can be ordered
from all the usual sources (Jan, Bomar, International, etc). You
need a service manual, and those are still available from GE/Ericsson.
Basically what you want to do is make the receiver live all the time,
split the RF for Rx and Tx, and add a controller. I use the S-Comm
5k. It's a good basic controller. There are notes in the manual
telling you how to interface to a Mastr II.

Note: when you split RF, be sure to leave the final harmonic
filter in place (it's integrated with the TR relay). Just
pull the receiver connection out separately to another coax
connector. To make the receiver live all the time, you just
need to jumper one connection controlling receiver A+. This
will be obvious in the manual.

Micors can be made into good repeaters too, but they are better
suited to packet. The Mastr II uses PM while the Micor is direct
FM. That makes it easy to modify for 9600 baud. To make it a
packet repeater, a bit regenerator (available from TAPR) can
be added between the receiver discriminator and transmitter
varactor modulator. Use a TNC Teed off the receiver to supply
COR (via its DCD circuit), and let its firmware handle CW ID.
TNC2s already have a timeout timer, so that takes care of that
too. Otherwise the same steps as are used to make a Mastr II
a repeater are followed. Make the receiver live all the time,
and split Rx and Tx RF.

I'm not sure you can still get new service manuals from Motorola
for the Micor, but there are plenty of used manuals floating
around. Check at any hamfest.

Both radios have sufficient internal shielding to function as
repeaters. You don't need to split them out to separate boxes.
Just be careful how you route the receive coax, use double
shielded cable, and be sure to use a hood on the chassis
connector. Turn down the output power too (there's a power
control adjustment). That'll make them run cool and live a
long time. I usually turn them down about half way, IE down
to about 50 watts for a Mastr II.

You won't need control heads or cables for either radio,
so you can discard those. And you won't be using much of
the original control board in the radio either. Control
will be handled by the controller, or by the TNC.

You'll need a good duplexer too, of course. DB Products, Sinclair,
and Tx-Rx Systems make suitable ones. If you'll be putting it up
on a high RF site, be sure to add a circulator to the Tx too.
That'll make you a good neighbor to the other repeaters on the
site.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <5590rl$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Carl Stevenson) writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, Sam Afano <[e-mail]> writes:
>>Myself, I don't build radios nor repair them.  I don't really care how
>>tubes and transistors work, nor give a hoot about building homebrew
>>stuff.
>
>Then you're not *really* a ham ... you're a CBer who knows the code ...
>
>>To me, Morse code is something that should be a requirement, and if
>>nothing more, is a filtering system that seperates the serious ham radio
>>candidate from the "not quite as serious" candidate.
>
>If what you said above is true, YOU'RE not serious about ham radio ...
>you're just a "talker" ...
>
>It's truly sad that ham RADIO is being taken over by people like you
>that have no interest in RADIO ...

Amen, Carl. It isn't necessary to homebrew to be a ham, but a person
who doesn't even want to know how a radio works isn't a ham. He's
just a "communicator" who really belongs in another radio service.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: DIRECT CONVERSION RECEIVER
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <558kvb$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Can anyone offer me some help PLEASE!!!
>I am currently a student studying for an HND in communications/electronic
>engineering and I have decided to build a Direct Conversion H.F. short wave
>receiver.  The problem is that, I have never built one before and this subjec
t is fairly
>new to me.  Can anyone offer me some support (hints, circuits, ideas) which w
ill
>enable me to build this type of receiver?
>Many thanks.

Jason, a DC receiver is one of the simplest receivers to build,
and one of the harder ones to get to work well. Basically it
will look like this,

       ------------           --------------
 ANT   |          |           |            |
 \|/___|   MIXER  |___________|   AF AMP   |
       |          |           |            |
       ------------           --------------
             |
             |
      ------------
      |          |
      |   LO     |
      |          |
      ------------

There are three circuits, the mixer, the local oscillator, and
the audio amplifier. The mixer can be a diode ring mixer like
the SBL-1, or it can be a Gilbert cell mixer. The LO is tunable,
and is often a Colpitts circuit. The audio amp is the heart of
the receiver. It has all the receiver's gain and selectivity,
such as it is, built into it. Often it is a couple of cascaded
opamps used as state variable filters and gain blocks driving
a LM380. A discrete transistor may be used at the input to set
the noise figure.

You often want to add one more circuit. This is a preselector
filter between the antenna and the mixer. This keeps strong
local signals, like AM broadcasters, from getting into the
mixer and rectifying there.

The key is the audio amp. It has to have gobs of gain, be stable,
and free from hum and other noise. Usually, you'll be best running
it off a battery to keep mains noise out of it.

I'd suggest you build each of these circuits as separate modules.
Get each working properly individually before trying to combine
them.

Gary
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es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: 31 Oct 1996 18:21:16 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Tim Raffety  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>>> ..-.  ..-  -.-.  -.-      .-  .-..  .-..    ..-

>>> -.-.  -...  .  .-.  ...   .-.-.-


>-..  ---   |    ..-    |   -  ....  ..  -.  -.-   |   .-  .-..  .-..

>-  ....  .  ...  .   |  -...  .-  -...  -.--  ...  |   -.-.  .-  -.

>-  .-  -.-  .   |   .-  .-..  .-..   |   -  ....  ..  ...

>-.-.  ---  -..  .  |   ..--..

Pretty much typical of what we might copy on top of a phone QSO on 75
meters.  Nicely smithed articles Tim.  I guess now we know who's
generating the QRM on 75.  Thanks.

AC6XG




From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:34 1996
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From: Jerry Tannhauser <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FS Motorola HT600 VHF
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:30:20 -0800
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FOR SALE

Motorola

HT 600

PC programmable

6 channels

4 watts

136-151 mhz

complete with battery,charger,antenna

3/ea available

$200.00/ea + shipping

Great for Ham,Cap.Mars

Reply to [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Digital VS. CW Testing
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <55aku4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian Kantor) w
rites:
>We're proposing to link a mess of repeaters using digital voice
>transmitted on 56kb digital links.
>
>"Gasp,", you say, "what a revolutionary idea!"  Not hardly.  It's
>exactly what happens when you pick up that telephone and call anywhere
>in the USA with it - soon, nearly anywhere in the world.
>
>The stuff to do this is showing up surplus at electro-junk stores
>priced BY THE POUND.  Add a GRAPES modem and a little bit of glue
>circuity, and it's solved.  After all, the telephone company was
>doing it thirty years ago, why can't hams start doing it now?
>
>No, it's not keyboard-to-keyboard, but it's digital, and it's fast
>digital, and it'll sound better than just about anything else on the air.
>And you don't need to type fast to use it.  Just move your lips.
>Hams are good at that, it seems.
>       - Brian

This works really well, Brian. You need good repeater controllers
to make this work right. There are a couple of controllers out there
which already process repeater audio digitally, A/D Technologies is
one local company which offers that. Using 56 kb, you can link the
controllers, forward voice mail, phone patch from any repeater in
the system, etc.

Gary
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es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:37 1996
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From: [e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net
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Subject: Re: TDD codes
Date: 31 Oct 1996 19:22:51 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
>In article <54uvo8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (WILLIAM W MUNSIL)
 writes:
>>
>>Does anyone know the codes for TDD - teletype devices for the deaf?
>>Is it standard ASCII or some other code?  What speed do they use?
>>73 es Tnx.
>>I would like to use my modem on the phone with deaf friends.
>
>I seem to recall, and this is just from memory of a deaf friend's
>setup long ago, that the TDD service is Baudot, similar to HF RTTY,
>45.45 baud. That may have changed now with the advent of the PC.
>
>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


  Hi,
  Didn't see the original post. It's a 5 bit baudot code. Most of the TDD devi
ces
 were like old Model 15 teletypes. I worked on a modem a very long time ago an
d
 I seem to recall the mark / space frequencies were pretty close to the 170 HZ
 shift on 300 baud modems.

  I'm guessing that are looking for a way to connect a computer to a TDD line,
 There are some commercially available units that do this. If you can latch on
to
 an old 300 baud 'cradle' acoustic modem, you're not that far from be able to
 accomplish it. You need to (1) get on the same audio frequency pair. (2) Be a
ble
 to build a 'lookup table' to translate the baudot to ascii, back to baudot. I
 think
 a slick way to do it, would be with a soundblaster, but haven't given it much
 thought over the last 15-16 years. The baudot code might be in the ARRL hand
 book. It used to be in that little blue and white TTY primer.

                                                      best 73's  Jim  WD9AHF


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael White)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: morse code keyer with recorded message?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:25:29 -0500
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> I need a fancy morse code keyer which can record a message.

Such keyers abound. Check any issue of any ham magazine, and you'll find a
dozen different models at prices ranging from around $100 and up.  73...

--
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From: [e-mail] (R. A. Green)
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Actually, your argument is quite valid. There are plenty of total
assholes on the air, and the code is required now, so what would lead
anyone to think that having to learn code would keep assholes off the
air? I mean Jesus Christ, isn't radio theory enough? Perhaps a
personality test and psychiatric evaluation would be more appropriate.




--THE BORG ASSIMILATED ME AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY T-SHIRT---


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Cone)
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Hi,

I wonder if anyone has (or knows where i can get hold of)
technical information for a Motorola MT700 FM handi.

I've got one of these units at present, it cost me a couple
of pounds at a local car boot sale, it seems to be working fine.
TX is 461.625 / RX is 456.125 with a 110.9Hz tone squelch unit.

I'm interested in converting it down onto my local 70cms repeater
freq. (433.325) and would be grateful if anyone can give me
some info.

Cheers,
Richard


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:41 1996
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From: Ian Riddler <[e-mail]>
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Chet Doboe wrote:
>
> >Chet:
> >
> >You posted this in at least 30 arbitrary and unrelated newsgroups.
> This
> >is called spamming, and is very extremely rude in terms of Internet
> >etiquette.
> >
> >Please stop now and don't do this again. I'm writing you in the hopes
> >that you're simply clueless and not a habitual spammer. If I thought
> >otherwise, I would send my complaint to your service provider. When a
> >service provider gets over a thousand or so complaints about one
> >account, they tend to figure that that account is not worth the
> trouble,
> >and that account tends to go away. That's how this Internet thing
> works;
> >you have been warned.
> >
> >--dan fox
>
> Dear folks,  Just a quick note to say that I only posted my note to a
> Drum Corps user group and Percussion user group...(Sounds logical?---it
> was a drumming event announced). I have no clue how my post could be
> posted to user groups that are------  irrelevent to my to my subject
> matter------ user groups for the most part that I have no personal
> interest in --and many groups that I didn't even know existed
>
> I think somebody is somehow using my access or something.  I find this
> whole mess very depressing.  I would appogize, but honestly I have no
> clue as to how I could be responible for these multiple posts to sites
> that have no relevance to my topic.(none of these groups are in my
> address book)  I do regret that so many people are upset, but I assure
> you that I AM NOT in any way knowingly resposnible. I do feel very
> depressed about this situation, and I hope you all can be compassionate
> about my predicament..
>
>                                         Sincerely
>                                             Chet Doboe
> >

Looks to me like you hit Re:news on someone else's spam.
Bad luck...
Try To: news next time.

Cheers!
--
Ian Riddler                            | If I were a landing thruster,
e-mail :  [e-mail]       | which one of these would I be?
No Junk e-mail please!                 |     - Londo Mollari   <*>


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:43 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 19:53:42 GMT
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[e-mail] (Richard Helton) wrote:
The Office Channel Unit (OCU) is located in the telephone companies
central office. A CSU is located at your data equipement, not a DSU.
DSUs are used with private line sub-rate digital circuits not with
T1.5 channels.
A CSU monitors the T1.5 line and records faults as they occur. These
faults are stored in registers that the telephone company can remotely
read. The CSU also allows the telco to remotely loop-back the T1.5
circuit for tests.

John in Pembroke Pines, FL

>
>: Well I guess I should have stated that I was assuming that the object
>: was to multiplex 24 digital signals. In that case the the analog
>: portion would not be needed.
>
>  A channel bank uses T1, a 1.544Mbs signal that is full duplex.  A T1
>consists of 24 channels in the US and depending on the T1 signalling choosen
>can run 24 56K or 24 64K DATA channels.
>
>The channel cards allow you to select for a wide range of
>telecommunications needs.  Typically for data you would have an Office
>Channel Unit in the channel bank and a DSU at your data equipment.
>
>If you are working with eithernet, there are a ton of ethernet to T1 muxs
>available.
>
>Hope this helps you!
>--
>                                             [e-mail]

John/K8PXG in Pembroke Pines, FL


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Subject: Re: Vanity callsign update:  FCC computers down
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In <[e-mail]>, Sam Afano <[e-mail]> writes:
>ARLB076: FCC computer down
>
>SB QST @ ARL $ARLB076
>ARLB076 FCC computer down
>
>ZCZC AG56
>QST de W1AW
>ARRL Bulletin 76  ARLB076
>From ARRL Headquarters
>Newington CT  October 30, 1996
>To all radio amateurs
>
>SB QST ARL ARLB076
>ARLB076 FCC computer down
>
>The FCC's Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, office reports that its amateur
>computer system has been down for the past two days because of
>unspecified difficulties. Despite the current problems, the FCC
>still hopes to begin issuing Gate 2 vanity call sign grants by the
>end of this week, starting with the first-day applications now
>entered into their computer system.
>
>Hams are asked to be patient and to refrain from calling the FCC to
>inquire about the status of their vanity call sign applications. The
>Gettysburg FCC Office Consumer Assistance Staff is not able to
>provide further details on the delay.
>
>On a related note, due to the amateur system difficulties, no new
>amateur license or upgrade grants have been released since this past
>weekend.
>NNNN
>/EX

  There are some new notices on QRZ daily reports but no Gate 2 stuff. They mu
st
 getting those bugs out in anticipation for Gate 3.

                                                      Jim


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:48 1996
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From: Chuck Penson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Heathkit: A shameless promotion for my book
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:17:15 -0600
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This is a shameless promotion for my book on Heathkit --Chuck
=====================================================


Heathkit: A Guide to the Amateur Radio Products
By Chuck Penson, WA7ZZE

Reviewed: March, 1996 issue of QST magazine.

This is the definitive work on the Heath company, and a "must have" for
collectors and anyone interested in Heathkits or vintage radio. The 250
page book contains:

-- a brief history of the company and its product development track.
-- a cross-referenced index to more than 160 products.
-- a comprehensive reference section to reviews, modifications, and
articles found in QST and CQ magazine.
-- a product-by-product description and large, high-quality black and
white photographs of every amateur radio product the company made from
1947 to 1991.

In researching the book, the author interviewed more than a dozen former
employees and many of the engineers that designed and built the now
classic Heath ham equipment.


$24.95 plus $3 shipping and handling.

>>> Direct orders to:

Electric Radio Press
14643 County Road G
Cortez CO. 81321

>>> Direct praise or critisism to the author:

Chuck Penson, WA7ZZE
Box 2414
St.Paul MN 55102
([e-mail])
--
Chuck Penson
Education Division
Science Museum of Minnesota

[e-mail]
612.221.4510 voice
612.224.5092 fax
http://comped.sci.mus.mn.us

Standard Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are etc. etc. ...

"Nothing is too wonderful to be true" -- Michael Faraday


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From: [e-mail] (George Arsics jr)
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      Few in the amateur community are yet aware that with the
closing of all 15 FCC monitoring stations that the FCC has completely
abdicated its congressionally mandated responsibility to monitor &
regulate the spectrum.
      Discussions of "remote monitoring" schemes are just that, schemes
to fool Congress and the public.  There IS no more spectrum
monitoring capability, Chairman Hundt's lies notwithstanding.
       Character & integrity left the FCC with the appointment of
Reed Hundt to Chairman by his college buddy Clinton.





From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Earn it, or GET THE BEEP OUTTA HERE
Date: 31 Oct 1996 16:38:26 -0500
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In article <559r64$[e-mail]>,
        Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>This argument is quickly growing very lame, Rich.  So in the United States
>there are two dozen guys on 80 meters raising hell, and on 14.313 there
>are two dozen more fighting with the sailboat/phonepatch group.  So what.

Not to mention that the problem with HF is that only a few people have a
much wider impact due to propagation characteristics of the band. You can
have 5 people cause problems for 500,000. You cannot do that on 2 meters.


MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB077
ARLB077 FCC computer update

ZCZC AG57
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 77  ARLB077
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 31, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB077
ARLB077 FCC computer update

Once again, the word from Gettysburg is ''next week.'' Maybe it was
early Halloween gremlins, but unexpected problems that have plagued
the amateur computer system at the FCC's Gettysburg office all week
have all but eliminated any chance that Gate 2 vanity call signs
will be issued in time for this weekend's ARRL November Sweepstakes
CW contest. Hams antsy to learn when they'll get one of their vanity
requests have besieged the FCC with phone calls this week. A
spokesman at Gettysburg said Thursday, however, that he doubts that
the FCC will be ready to issue any vanity call signs until sometime
next week. ''I'm 90 per cent sure it's not going to make it this
week,'' he said.

Some optimism flared when October 30 grants appeared in some call
sign databases, leading to speculation that the vanity call signs
might soon follow. However, the FCC has announced that any grants
dated after October 24, 1996, are invalid because many of them were
erroneous.

The unspecified computer problems are not related to the vanity call
sign program. FCC personnel in Gettysburg already have entered data
from the more than 4500 first-day Gate 2 applications, and are
poised to start granting licenses once the computer problems are
resolved, the spokesman said. The FCC anticipates that event could
happen ''by the end of next week.'' It's not known how long it will
take to process all of the first-day applications, since this will
be the first time the FCC has run the program using ''live'' data.
Before processing, however, the FCC wants to ''be sure everything is
going to work well,'' the spokesman said. In the meantime, hams are
asked to be patient and to refrain from calling the FCC to inquire
about the status of their vanity call sign applications.
NNNN
/EX


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From: [e-mail] (Clint Bradford)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: RE:New online survey asks--->Why aren't you an ARRL member?
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:24:00 GMT
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>I question your motives, Raymond, in posting these so-called "results"
>here for us.

JERRY>>Ray does these little "polls" to pump up his little business.

Jerry - Ray privately wrote me and explained this particular "poll" to
me. He advised me that there was, indeed, a way to insert one's own
Comments on this particular poll page. He was pleasant and reasonable in
his Reply. Nothing commercial was mentioned...but I haven't visited
his site(s) either.


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: 31 Oct 1996 17:43:52 -0500
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In article <5590rl$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Myself, I don't build radios nor repair them.  I don't really care how
>>tubes and transistors work, nor give a hoot about building homebrew
>>stuff.
>
>Then you're not *really* a ham ... you're a CBer who knows the code ...


Riiiiight. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".


>If what you said above is true, YOU'RE not serious about ham radio ...
>you're just a "talker" ...

Pot. Kettle. Bang.


MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 'Nother Pro-code Luddite
Date: 31 Oct 1996 17:46:25 -0500
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In article <199610310744.CAA06366@hoboken>,
        Benjamin Geiger <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Sure, there are modes that may be able to get through QRM easier, but how
>many of those modes can be home-brewed by the normal user???  How many of
>those modes DON'T require a computer?


It is pretty funny to watch what happens to digital modes during a long-term
power failure.

After our last major hurricane, it was amusing the watch the packet
stations all go down one-by-one as the computer systems that ran the
backbone drained their backup battery supplies.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:55 1996
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From: "Jim Reid" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: No 60Hz EM Hazard Proven
Date: 31 Oct 1996 22:46:41 GMT
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From Reuters News today:

"Thursday October 31 5:10 PM EST

Report Finds Power Lines Pose No Health Risk

WASHINGTON (Reuter) - In 17 years of research, scientists have found no
hard proof that electric power lines near homes are a health hazard, the
National Research Council said Thursday.

"Specifically, no conclusive and consistent evidence shows that exposures
to residential electric and magnetic fields produce cancer, adverse
neurobehavioral
effects or reproductive and developmental effects," the council said in a
report reviewing 500 previous studies.

The studies focused on health effects of magnetic fields -- considered the
main potential threat --created by power lines, wires and electric
appliances such
as hair dryers, microwave ovens, and computer terminals. Appliances create
the highest field strengths to which people are commonly exposed.

Concern about electromagnetic fields grew after research in 1979 found that
children living near
power lines had higher rates of leukemia than other children.

But the council said childhood leukemia research to date was flawed because
it measured exposure
by estimating magnetic fields inside homes based on the distance of the
power lines from the homes,
current and size of the wires. It said actual measurements of magnetic
field strengths inside homes
showed little correlation to ratings of the wires outside the home.

"No evidence links contemporary measurements of magnetic-field levels to
childhood leukemia," the
report said.

"All we can do is say living near power lines has a statistical association
with childhood leukemia, but
we don't know what the cause is," said Dr. Charles Steven's, a professor at
the Howard Hughes
Medical Institute and Salk Institute in California who led the 16-member
panel reviewing the studies.

Calling for more research, the council said the leukemia tie might instead
be due to other factors,
such as the age of homes, pollution and heavy traffic in areas near power
lines.

Laboratory tests exposing animals to the low-frequency magnetic fields
common in homes did not
cause cancer, even at high doses, and did not harm animal reproduction,
development or behavior,
the report said.

Similarly, tests on tissues and cells found no damage from low-frequency
magnetic fields. If anything,
magnetic fields might have had some benefit, aiding bone healing in
animals.

"Science can never really prove that anything is safe," David Savitz, a
professor of epidemiology at
the University of North Carolina, told a new conference. With this report,
he said, scientists have
simply "failed to find a hazard."

But the National Research Council called for more research into the link
between high exposure to
electromagnetic fields and breast cancer in animals already exposed to
other cancer-causing agents.
More research is also needed on why electromagnetic fields appear to affect
the levels of the
hormone melatonin in animals but not in people, it said.

The report did not discuss concerns about electromagnetic fields created by
cellular telephones.

The three-year review was called for by Congress and sponsored by the
Energy Department.

While utilities felt vindicated by the report, they said they hoped it
would not discourage Congress
from continuing funding of a five-year joint government and industry
research program on
electromagnetic fields that began in 1994.

"We've felt all along that there weren't enough lab studies," said Mary
Kenkel, a spokeswoman for
the Edison Electric Institute, which represents investor-owned utilities."





From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:56 1996
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Subject: Re: Packet Freqs for Orange County, CA.
Message-ID: <55baqg$[e-mail]>
From: jemendenhall <@ccgate.dp.beckman.com>
Date: 31 Oct 1996 22:56:16 GMT
Distribution: world
Organization: DDC, Beckman Instruments, Inc.
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[e-mail] (Stephen Lui) writes: > I'm working in Irvine and wanted to kno
w what the local packet activity
> here is, i.e. 2m frequencies and nodes to connect to. At home in Alhambra
> (near Pasadena), I use 144.91, but that doesn't seems to work around here.
>
> Stephen
try the freq. of 145.090
73's ke6whn


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Faunt N6TQS [phone])
Subject: Re: TDD codes
In-Reply-To: [e-mail]@smtp-news2.ibm.net's message of 31 Oct 1996 19:22:51 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: at home, in Oakland
References: <54uvo8$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
        <55auab$3ebe$[e-mail]>
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I looked into this, once upon a time.  The code is Baudot, and the
mode is half-duplex, one tranmitter at a time.  A very simple modem
would do the trick, but, as I recall, no existing single chip modem
would do the right frequncies.  I started working on it using a XR2206
I think, then my friend got a grant for a commercial unit.
The frequencies are simple, 1100 and 1700 sound sort of right, but I
can't remember for sure.
73, doug


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Downing)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FCC Computer Update
Date: 31 Oct 1996 23:19:55 GMT
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ARLB077: FCC computer update

SB QST @ ARL $ARLB077
ARLB077 FCC computer update

ZCZC AG57
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 77  ARLB077
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  October 31, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB077
ARLB077 FCC computer update

Once again, the word from Gettysburg is ''next week.'' Maybe it was
early Halloween gremlins, but unexpected problems that have plagued
the amateur computer system at the FCC's Gettysburg office all week
have all but eliminated any chance that Gate 2 vanity call signs
will be issued in time for this weekend's ARRL November Sweepstakes
CW contest. Hams antsy to learn when they'll get one of their vanity
requests have besieged the FCC with phone calls this week. A
spokesman at Gettysburg said Thursday, however, that he doubts that
the FCC will be ready to issue any vanity call signs until sometime
next week. ''I'm 90 per cent sure it's not going to make it this
week,'' he said.

Some optimism flared when October 30 grants appeared in some call
sign databases, leading to speculation that the vanity call signs
might soon follow. However, the FCC has announced that any grants
dated after October 24, 1996, are invalid because many of them were
erroneous.

The unspecified computer problems are not related to the vanity call
sign program. FCC personnel in Gettysburg already have entered data
from the more than 4500 first-day Gate 2 applications, and are
poised to start granting licenses once the computer problems are
resolved, the spokesman said. The FCC anticipates that event could
happen ''by the end of next week.'' It's not known how long it will
take to process all of the first-day applications, since this will
be the first time the FCC has run the program using ''live'' data.
Before processing, however, the FCC wants to ''be sure everything is
going to work well,'' the spokesman said. In the meantime, hams are
asked to be patient and to refrain from calling the FCC to inquire
about the status of their vanity call sign applications.
NNNN
/EX

--
Mark A. Downing
Reply to: [e-mail]
http://www.rdatasys.com/~ac6pn/


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:11:59 1996
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From: Dave Hockaday <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Radio Club website
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 15:46:08 -0800
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I maintain a page cluster for our Ham Radio club at http://www.ipass.net/~tear
a/ .
Please stop by and give it a look.

--
Dave Hockaday WB4IUY
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James H. Haynes)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: TDD codes
Date: 31 Oct 1996 23:51:27 GMT
Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz
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There is some software at various ftp sites to enable a PC to send and
receive Baudot.

There is a description of the modem, I think, in the comp.dcom.telecom
archives.  It isn't normal FSK.  The trick with TDD is that the modem
tones go off when you aren't sending, so there is automatic send/receive
switching.


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James W. KELLEY)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: 1 Nov 1996 00:02:34 GMT
Organization: University of California, Irvine
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In article <55a5me$[e-mail]>,
Michael P. Deignan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <5591f8$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>There is NOTHING to be served by forcing us to learn something we will
>>never use ...

>There is NOTHING to be served by forcing me to learn RTTY, which I will
>never use...

>There is NOTHING to be served by forcing me to learn packet, which I will
>never use...

>MD

How long did it take you?  Did you use the Gordon West RTTY tapes or the
W5YI computer program?  How much on the air RTTY did you work on the
Novice bands before you were ready to take the test?  Were you able to
pass all three of the FCC Packet elements?  Oh wait....they don't have
separate elements for RTTY or Packet!  Quite a disparity in mode testing.
One might gather from the examination requirements that as operators, we
are either underqualified on almost every mode, or considerably
overqualifed on one of them.

AC6XG





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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: 1 Nov 1996 00:45:23 GMT
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In <55ba38$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <5590rl$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>>Myself, I don't build radios nor repair them.  I don't really care how
>>>tubes and transistors work, nor give a hoot about building homebrew
>>>stuff.
>>
>>Then you're not *really* a ham ... you're a CBer who knows the code ...
>
>
>Riiiiight. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
>that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".

At least we're INTERESTED in RADIO ... we want to build and experiment
and improve ... not just waste time and spectrum doing NOTHING but
yacking and playing games ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:03 1996
From: [e-mail] (N9MSS  )
Subject: RE: TS870S Mods
Date: 31 Oct 96 16:58:05 -0800
References: <[e-mail]>
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Send an SASE to me and I'll give you the Mars/Cap mod.

Robert Young N9MSS
601 Park Street
Waterloo, IL  62298

73 de N9MSS Bob


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Q: No Code - Know Everything Else
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 01:56:14 GMT
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[e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson) wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Steve  - KF
2TI (Landing, NJ)) writes:
>>In article <54m8jh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>>says...
>>> The problem is that ham radio is a (supposedly) technical activity ...
>>> see Part 97.1 ... but we (collectively) are NOT keeping up with our
>>> charter to be a technical service and training ground ... in fact, many
>>> current hams specifically and emphatically oppose the introduction of
>>> new techniques into ham radio because they're "different" (than those
>>> current techniques that they are familiar with) and because they fear
>>> that these new techniques will conflict with their preferred methods ...
>>
>>Carl, you change tactics as often as people change
>>socks.  What new technology??  I defy you to show any
>>of the techno wizardry you keep whining about!!!  What
>>is going to save the HF bands from commercial use??


>Steve,

>It is clear from your past posts that you wouldn't understand if I told
>you, and you're a jerk, so this will be my last and final response to
>you ... go blow yourself ...


>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]

Jeez, Squiggie, just when we thought you were starting to behave.....






From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: AM receiver
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 02:02:16 GMT
Lines: 22

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>X-Originating-IP-Addr: 204.148.102.146 (www-b03.proxy.gnn.com)
>
>Hello!...Can anyone help me with an AM receiver project? Icannot use any chip
s,
>so I have to start from scratch. Please help me with schematics for receiver
as
>well as parts listing, book titles will also help. A 5 stage AM receiver is a

>plus.

No chips at all? Well that leaves out ICs, transistors, and junction
diodes then. Someone posted a circuit for a razor blade radio here
a few weeks back. And I suppose empty state devices would be allowed,
and someone posted the schematic for an AA5 here recently too.

Seems a pity you're disallowing any electronic device developed in
the last 40 years though. Sure does limit your options.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: 31 Oct 1996 21:39:20 -0500
Organization: The Ace Tomato Company
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In article <55bh73$[e-mail]>, Carl Stevenson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Riiiiight. This coming from the guy who complains about the fact
>>that some people call anti-CW'ers "CBers".
>
>At least we're INTERESTED in RADIO ... we want to build and experiment
>and improve ... not just waste time and spectrum doing NOTHING but
>yacking and playing games ...

Once again, the techno-bigot comes to the forefront.

There are plenty of non-technical activities associated with amateur
radio. Emergency communications is a good example. One does not need
to have an understanding of how the "internals" of the radio works
to be a valuable asset to the amateur community in this regard.

Whenever I read through QST and see a story about hams providing
public-service communications (Red Cross or public events) or
emergency communications (such as after Hurricane Andrew) I do not
get the sense that these people contributing to "the cause" are a
bunch of techno-wizards out "roughing it". Rather, I get the impression
that they are a cross-section of Americana attempting to make a
contribution in a way that they see fit.

In this respect, I find your comments insulting and degrading to a
large portion of the amateur community. This seems to be nothing
new with you, as you seem intent on insulting the very core of
people you somehow want "support" from for your codeless HF license
idea. With this type of obnoxious attitude, its any wonder that you
have friends at all -- of course, they're probably all a bunch of
techno-bigots looking down on the rest of society like you do.


Amateur radio is about more than technology. Its about >communication<.
Communication is something that you seem incapable of doing. I recommend
that you get a hobby that you will find more personally rewarding.
Perhaps going around kicking small animals will be more personally
enriching for you.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: The final debate on CW.
Date: 31 Oct 1996 21:40:54 -0500
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In article <55bemq$[e-mail]>,
        James W. KELLEY <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Oh wait....they don't have
>separate elements for RTTY or Packet!  Quite a disparity in mode testing.

40% of all amateurs on HF don't operate RTTY or Packet. 40% of all
amateurs on HF do operate CW.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:09 1996
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From: Gary Erickson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Call Sign Update
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:42:01 -0800
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Called the FCC this afternoon at 1405 EST 10/31/96 and asked two
questions:

        1.      Q - Have all of the first day applications for gate
                    2 callsigns been entered into the system?

                A - "Yes, they have."

        2.      Q - Are you processing them?

                A - "We are waiting for the system to allow us
                     to run them."


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:10 1996
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From: johnf <[e-mail]>
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Subject: ham
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:56:18 -0800
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http://www.why.net/users/3051


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:11 1996
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From: Edward Oros <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Learn Morse Code On-Line
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:05:01 -0500
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Now you can learn the International Morse Code
On-Line at http://www.qth.com/antenna
See the Morse Code Elmer.


Ed--AC3L


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:11 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC Computer Update
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:17:13
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Here we go again...COULD happen...It's not known how long it will
take.....make sure everything is working well...blah, blah, blah.
They probably have a loose network card in the expansion slot and
have to go through a bunch of red tape to get the systems
administrator to stop by to fix it. OR, they lost the phone number
for product support hi hi.



From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:12 1996
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From: DAN <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Heathkit: A shameless promotion for my book
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 19:46:26 -0800
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Chuck Penson wrote:
>
> This is a shameless promotion for my book on Heathkit --Chuck
> =====================================================
>
> Heathkit: A Guide to the Amateur Radio Products
> By Chuck Penson, WA7ZZE
>
> Reviewed: March, 1996 issue of QST magazine.
>
> This is the definitive work on the Heath company, and a "must have" for
> collectors and anyone interested in Heathkits or vintage radio. The 250
> page book contains:
>
> -- a brief history of the company and its product development track.
> -- a cross-referenced index to more than 160 products.
> -- a comprehensive reference section to reviews, modifications, and
> articles found in QST and CQ magazine.
> -- a product-by-product description and large, high-quality black and
> white photographs of every amateur radio product the company made from
> 1947 to 1991.
>
> In researching the book, the author interviewed more than a dozen former
> employees and many of the engineers that designed and built the now
> classic Heath ham equipment.
>
> $24.95 plus $3 shipping and handling.
>
> >>> Direct orders to:
>
> Electric Radio Press
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>
> >>> Direct praise or critisism to the author:
>
> Chuck Penson, WA7ZZE
> Box 2414
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> Science Museum of Minnesota
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> "Nothing is too wonderful to be true" -- Michael Faraday


I purchased a copy of Chuck's book.  It is outstanding in every way!
Dan - AD4HW


From [e-mail] Thu Nov 07 21:12:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Q: No Code - Know Everything Else
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>       Now the cry is out that CW is outdated, perhaps it is, perhaps
>it isn't. If the Morse requirement is eliminated should the theory
>covered on the novice exam be at a level that by learning the theory
>the new novice should have the knowledge to build a basic station?
>Of course if CW is outdated, that basic station becomes a great deal
>more complex than my peanut whistle ever was.

Not necessarily. Since you didn't get any pink QSLs, we assume
your rig didn't chirp, but that's what a digital station is
supposed to do (in a controlled way of course). In the tube
days, this was often done with a fixed capacitor switched in
and out of the oscillator tank circuit by a keying relay.
Today we'd use a keying transistor or just put a varactor
across the tank and drive it with the data line.

Any receiver that'll receive CW will receive FSK. Of course
you'll want to demodulate it back to data, but even in the
days of your youth, a Hoff demod could do that, no chips,
no computers, just some toroids and a tube. Today we'd
use a single chip modem, no harder to wire up than the
LM380 audio amp chip you'd use in one of today's homebrew
DC receivers.

So the radio part of digital is very little different from
CW. Of course people say "but you need a computer". Well,
a computer tends to be the choice because it is such a
universal and convienent appliance for all sorts of tasks,
but before computers we used mechanical devices, or dumb
terminals. Even today we can put together an ASCII display
and keyboard without resort to computers. There are alpha-
numeric LCD panels on the market which will accept ASCII
from our demod and display it as text Times Square style.
And there are still keyboards around that don't use
microprocessors as encoders, and spit out ASCII we can
feed to a varactor rather than the scan codes PC keyboards
use. They're getting harder to find of course. With
micropocessors showing up nearly everywhere, even in
your toaster or your toddler's toys, fear of microprocessors
seems to be a bit overblown to me.

You wouldn't ordinarily make your own headphones to copy
CW would you? Hams haven't done that for a very long time.
They want an aural output device, they buy one. Well, I'd
suggest the same with digital displays, you want to see
your text, you buy a display. End of story. It has nothing
to do with the *radio* part of amateur radio. It's just
an input/output device.

>       An crystal controlled oscillator and a PI network will not
>suffice for SSB or any of the new digital modes. The basic station
>would now involve multiple stages for isolation, mixing, filtering and
>such. What current license exam covers the theory to build a SSB
>transmitter? It is my opinion that if CW is outdated and should not be
>required, the entry level theory exam should cover the knowledge to
>build such a basic station.

As I noted, the complexity is not nearly what you imagine. A
crystal oscillator (with varactor modulation) and a PI tanked
PA would work just fine, IE an old MOPA design is just dandy
for FSK. Now that won't do for Clover or PACTOR II, but it'll
work great for AMTOR, GTOR, PACTOR I, or plain old RTTY.

If you want to go full blown SOTA, say to do GMSK, then you
need an I/Q radio. Admittedly, that's more complex than an
old MOPA rig, but it is a lot simpler than a SSB rig. Digital
coding lets you cut a *lot* of corners that wouldn't do with
analog modulations.

>       Of course this would seem to make the novice exam many times
>more difficult than it currently is. Perhaps this level of theory is
>not needed because after all the majority of us are now appliance
>operators. (One of the arguments against incentive licensing back in
>the sixties was we would all become appliance operators.)  So what
>level of theory should there be, if any?
[snip]
>If the CW requirement is eliminated for HF licensing, how should the
>theory portion of the exams be modified if at all?
>       1: no changes
>       2: some changes but to what degree?
>       3: serious changes resulting in two license classes
>               Entry level - today's Advanced theory
>               Non-Entry level - today's Extra theory
>       4: no code - know everything else, only one license class with
>               theory exam comparable to today's Extra

Well I think the current Novice exam is much too weak. And I think
the current Tech exam is too weak for the privileges granted. I'd
suggest an entry exam needs to be about at the level of difficulty
of the current General written, though I'd choose a somewhat different
set of questions and administer the test differently (I've addressed
this before). And I wouldn't grant an entry class amateur full privileges.
I'd give them full frequency and modulation choice, but I'd sharply limit
the amount of RF power they'd be permitted to use, so that any mistakes
they might make would be less likely to cause harm to themselves or
excessive interference to others. The current Novice power limit is
too high, and the Techs are allowed full power. I'd change that.
Given the current RF exposure rules, a maximum power level of less
than 50 watts would seem somewhat reasonable, though I'd be strongly
tempted to set the level even lower.

I'd expect the full power license exam to cover amateur operations
and techniques fairly comprehensively, with particular emphasis on
safety and interference control, since the higher power privilege
granted would require that extra knowledge.

Gary
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