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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:04 1996
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From: Uwe Knietzsch <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: 7PLUS - Binary for HP wanted
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:10:17 +0200
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I'm locking for a Binary for HP (apollo 700) or other HP.

The 7plus4lx doesn't run on HP - Who can help me ?

pse send a EMAIL to [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:08 1996
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From: Dave Skarbowski <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: <<CONTROL A REPEATER BY WITH A PC>>
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 08:11:12 -0400
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To: BILL SHYMANSKI <[e-mail]>

BILL SHYMANSKI wrote:
>
> -> From: [e-mail]
> -> Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
> -> Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:16:15 GMT
> -> Organization: Global Infolinks Internet Server, Ipswich Qld Australia
> ->
> -> Hi all
> ->
> -> I was just wondering if anyone can give me any leads on were I can
> -> Download software to have a PC control radio or repeater system
> -> Regards
> ->
> -> Darryl Graham
>
> Ouch. Isn't it hard enough to keep a repeater running reliability
> without burdening it with the additional instability of a typical PC?
> I'd only recommend this for a "toy" repeater set up in your spare
> bedroom; for a real repeater site, by the time you add enough shielding
> to the typical broad-band noise source PC, and in turn protect the PC
> from a high RF environment, and get some kind of decent interface board
> built that won't blow up the first time there's a thunderstorm, and
> patch the BIOS so that the PC won't sit there waiting for someone to
> press F1 on the (non-existent) keyboard when it boots up....etc., etc.

The problem with a PC is *not* the hardware, it's the OS.  DOS is
more of a program loader than an OS.  If you were to write your own
OS, or use a real existing OS like Linux, you would find the PC
hardware platform quite good for embedded applications.

Dave, n2fam


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: <<CONTROL A REPEATER BY WITH A PC>>
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:08:37 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> Dave Skarbowski <[e-mail]> write
s:
>BILL SHYMANSKI wrote:
>> -> From: [e-mail]
>> -> I was just wondering if anyone can give me any leads on were I can
>> -> Download software to have a PC control radio or repeater system
>> -> Regards
>> Ouch. Isn't it hard enough to keep a repeater running reliability
>> without burdening it with the additional instability of a typical PC?
>> I'd only recommend this for a "toy" repeater set up in your spare
>> bedroom; for a real repeater site, by the time you add enough shielding
>> to the typical broad-band noise source PC, and in turn protect the PC
>> from a high RF environment, and get some kind of decent interface board
>> built that won't blow up the first time there's a thunderstorm, and
>> patch the BIOS so that the PC won't sit there waiting for someone to
>> press F1 on the (non-existent) keyboard when it boots up....etc., etc.
>
>The problem with a PC is *not* the hardware, it's the OS.  DOS is
>more of a program loader than an OS.  If you were to write your own
>OS, or use a real existing OS like Linux, you would find the PC
>hardware platform quite good for embedded applications.

Why bother with that overhead? Just code your application in ROM
and pop it in the motherboard's ROM sockets. Done. Low end motherboards
with on board parallel ports are so cheap, you can't build up a dedicated
controller card for less. If you can't fit a repeater control program into
the motherboard ROM space, you're trying to get *way* too fancy.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:10 1996
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From: "John A. Perry" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Anyone running FreeeBSD?
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 05:49:21 -0500
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Hello...

        I was wondering if there is anyone out there reading this mailing
list/newsgroup that has gotten TNOS 2.10 running successfully under
FreeBSD? To qualify, I finally figured out that I can attach a ppp process
to a virtual port via ijppp but not SLIP. Is anyone doing this? Does it
work? I can get the ppp daemon to camp on ttypf and have configured TNOS
to open a PPP connection to ttypf but I can't get the UNIX side to talk to
the TNOS side at all. If you are running the above configuration and have
it working as a full gateway, I would like to hear from you.

 John Perry KG5RG [e-mail] - PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome!
 WWW - http://www.jpunix.com
 PGP 2.62 key for [e-mail] is on the keyservers.




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:11 1996
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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
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Subject: combineing modes
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:39:08 -1000
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Is it possible to be in "unproto" mode and "cmd" mode at the same time?
Someone here said you can unproto via another stns system if he has it
set to digipeat and yet you can be connected to a 3rd stn at same time.
I use ancient software "digicom" and CBM128 TNC (read that modem).
I dont see anywhere in the ax25 protocol where it says the above is
possible, but what do I know?.
                     kilroy (KH6JF)




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: DSP-232 / TH-79AD Packet problems
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 10:59:54 GMT
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Gary,

Thanks for your advice.  I had already tried using a
shunt resistor and series capacitor on the output of
the Kendo, with no improvement in the appearance of
the TNC's lights.  I can use "brute force" to get
the lights to look centered by forming a high-pass
filter with a small series cap and small shunt resistor
across the TNC input.  But still no improvment in the TNC's
performance.  As far as "common" connections go, there's
only one on the TH-79, on the speaker output.

Several nights ago I noticed an interesting phenomenon.
I was connected to VK8BBS and simultaneously monitoring
all packet messages.  Another user was doing some kind
of long listing, and my TNC copied it perfectly.  Now, if
those packets had been addressed to me, my TNC would most
likely have tried to ACK after three or four packets, even
though the BBS was still transmitting.  I'm beginning to
suspect that the BBS pauses briefly between consecutive
packets, and that makes my TNC send a premature ACK because
it thinks the channel is clear.  I've spent some time playing
with the RESPTIME parameter, but I don't think I've seen any
improvement.  The search continues....

Gary.
VK8GT / KE3WK

[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>Well, it's a Kenwood, what'd you expect. :-)

>I think you're on the right track thinking you have an
>audio equalization problem. You say it works Ok with
>the MFJ and I know that unit has a 10 kohm input impedance.
>What's the input impedance of the AEA? It should be high
>enough to "bridge" on the output of the Kenmore. You could
>try using a 45 ohm "dummy" load on the Kelvinator and
>bridge across that with the TNC. The lack of proper load
>may be messing up the output amp response in the Kenworth.

>Perhaps there's a wee bit of DC on the Kemtone's audio
>output. That could be biasing the AEA out of spec if its
>input isn't capacitively coupled. The MFJ uses capacitor
>coupling for its input audio. Try putting a 0.1 uF in
>series with the audio line.

>One final thing to check. Look at your common connection
>to the radio. You should use either speaker low or mic
>low, not both. One may not *really* be common, so try
>each one in turn.

>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:13 1996
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From: PY2RN <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FT5200 9600??
Date: 4 Sep 1996 22:04:00 GMT
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Hi,

If you know how to make the Yaesu Ft-5200 operational on packet
at 9600bps (Where do I connect the tx/rx wires) could you please
send it to me?

Thank you.

Ed, PY2RN


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: GLONASS???
Message-ID: <1996Sep3.102551.625@main03>
Date: 3 Sep 96 10:25:51 EST
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In article <50a2ca$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Wei) writes:
> In message <[e-mail]> - [e-mail] (Rob
> Janssen)Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:21:38 GMT writes:
> :>I'm confused by that remark...  why are you thankful that the transmission
s
> :>are not like GPS??
>
> US government encrypted the GPS signal for special purpose use, and the
> civilian signal is far from GOOD for anything that's precise enough for good
> navgiation, unless of course you want to spend extra $$$ for some special
> technique for improving the accuracy.....

Hmm, plenty good enough for me...
>
> :>There is some information about Glonass in articles written by S53MV
> :>in old Weinheim UKW Tagung proceedings, I don't know if those are online
> :>somewhere.  But why don't you check in AltaVista?
>
> Errr.... Where on the internet is AltaVista?

try www.altavista.digital.com - I think thats the url.

Joe - AA3GN
--
[e-mail] - speaking only for myself,


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:15 1996
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From: Jim Devenport <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: GRAPES 56K Modem, is it dead?
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 12:41:10 -0600
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To: Ron Curry <[e-mail]>

Ron Curry wrote:
>
> Gary,
> It's good to hear your experience on the Hamtronics - Thanks. I've looked
> at their stuff but heard negative reports about the receive converter. For
> the price it's probably worth checking out.

I've used Hamtronics for several receiver and transverter projects and
think they are great in the performance/price ratio.  No, they're not
"bolt-in" (except for the factory-wired units) and yes, they need some
RF expertise to optimize, but for the price they do a great job.
(I've obviously made and marketed kit projects of my own and have high
admiration for those who have kept at it more than a year)

--
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|Jim Devenport  WB5AOX                                  |
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|http://nis-www.lanl.gov/~jdport/                       |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:16 1996
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From: "Ron Curry" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: GRAPES 56K Modem, is it dead?
Date: 4 Sep 1996 14:38:38 GMT
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Gary,
It's good to hear your experience on the Hamtronics - Thanks. I've looked
at their stuff but heard negative reports about the receive converter. For
the price it's probably worth checking out.

Regards,
--
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
> Well, the cheap Hamtronics 10m->2m XV2 transmit converter and
> their 2m receive converter can be used as intermediate stages.
> They are not very good as a way to achieve a standalone transverter,
> but they're good enough for interstage use. I took this approach to
> feed a SSB Electronics 1.2 Ghz transverter. It works. It works with the
Down East 902 MHz transverter too.
> --



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:17 1996
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Subject: Help: Baycom and JNOS..???
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Hello, everyone here!
A friend of mine is  willing to run JNOS software  in a Baycom modem.  He's
tried  several  ways  but  failed!   Please,   any  help  would  be  highly
appreciated. 73's de José...
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:18 1996
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Subject: Homebrew modem for HT
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 15:09:45 -0700
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I am looking for information (circuit or PCB) on homebrewing a packet
modem for my 2m handheld.

Thank you.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Leach)
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Subject: Re: KaGold
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On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 10:36:03 +0100, "Kevin Hogg - Product Support
Department Manager." <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>Can anyone help.
>I purchased KAGOLD as GM0UZJ, now Ive moved back to England, Ive got to
>drop the GM to G.  Now the software dosent recognise my call G0UZJ.  How
>do I change it????
>
>Amy help would be gratefully appreciated.
>
>Cheers
>
>Kev.
>--
>Email [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John M. Vanderau)
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Subject: Re: Kam Plus with Version 8. w/ Mac?
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 18:58:01 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John D.
Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769) wrote:

>
>Anyone running Host Master Mac with Kam Plus that has
>Version 8.00 firmware?
>
>Curious what version Host Master Mac you are using if
>you are successful with this configuration?
>

Hostmaster/Mac v2.3b works "okay" also is probably the last one Kantronics
will have unless they hire a new guy who speaks Macintosh - the factory
tech support line told me (about a month ago) that the last guy quit!


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard D. Meadows)
Subject: Re: Looking for a mailorder outfit to purchase a handheld scanner
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Douglas Alexander wrote:
>>
>> Looking for a good mailorder firm to purchase a handheld scanner from:
>>

>http://www.demon.co.uk/javiation/

You might want to check out  Copper Electronics

They are on the Web

http://www.copper.com

1-800-968-8500  and I think you can get a free catalog.

Richard



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jimmie S Williams)
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Subject: My Standard C508A Can't Hear Packet!
Date: 1 Sep 1996 20:45:47 -0400
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I am having a problem with my C508A HT. I am trying to use it for an
ultra-small QRP Packet radio rig along with a Baypac modem and a
HP200LX palmtop computer. Well, this setup works just fine on my
Alinco DJ-580 HT.... but when I hook it up to the Standard C508A (the
tiny shirt pocket dualbander) It can send packets, but can't receive
packets .... go figure. I have placed calls to TigerTronics ... they
are helpful, but can't help me with this HT. I tried hooking this
same HT up to my desktop and Kantronics KPC-3 TNC and the same thing
happens (sends OK , but can't receive packets) ... the Tigertronics
fellow thinks that there might be a problem with audio filtering in
the HT....  Can anybody shed some light on this problem? I would be
most grateful.



                              Robert S. Williams, MD
                              KD4ZPH
                              [e-mail]
                              [phone]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Need SAT 1K2 PACKET INFO !
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] write
s:
>I'm looking for all the infos about the 1200bds MODEM to use with all the
>PACSAT (PACKET-SATELLITES) ... It seems not to be BELL 202 compatible !
>Where can I find a MODEM 1K2 for SAT ...?
>
>Vy73 de YANN - F1NGP
>[e-mail]

The 1200 baud pacsat *downlink* modulation is PSK. You need a PSK modem
to receive it. RadioKit had a kit, JAMSAT had a kit, TAPR had a kit
(reputed to be a bit better than the others due to use of a Costas
loop instead of a squaring loop for clock recovery), and PacComm has
them wired and tested, ready to install into your TNC2, or a complete
package already installed in a TNC. You need a SSB receiver to receive it.

For uplink, you use Manchester coding through an FM rig (or subcarrier
modulated through a SSB rig), the above modems take care of this for you
too. They also have doppler tracking via the UP DOWN tuning interface
for Icom, Kenwood, and Yaesu radios.

(Note, the 9600 baud sats use the G3RUH modem same as we use terrestrially.
PacComm offers a package for that too, don't order the wrong one.)

The late lamented _Ham Radio Magazine_ had the original construction
article for the PSK modem (the JAMSAT version). If you can find someone
with the back issues, you might be able to scratch build it from a
photocopy of the article (no exotic parts are needed).

Or if you have a DSP board, you can just program the modem on that.
I believe there is sample code on the TAPR website. And AEA's DSP
product has the appropriate modem already coded.

Gary
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Geyer)
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Subject: Newbie question regarding BayPac
Date: 5 Sep 1996 04:52:14 GMT
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I'm interested in experiementing with packet radio, but don't have big
bucks to dump into it.  I have an interest inthe BP-2 or BP-2M from
Tigertronics.  I would like to connect it to my ICOM HT for packet and the
Kenwood R-2000 for WEFAX.  A couple of questions:

1)  Does the TNC come with a cable that will attach to both these radios?

2)  If not, who can I call regarding which cables to connect the TNC?

3)  Are there any real drawbacks with using the BP-2M?

Thanks!
Tom

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:24 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Pescador Beta (F) Version
Date: 4 Sep 1996 19:46:57 GMT
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Hi,

Just to announce a new version of the Pescador program has been uploaded
and it's available at ftp.funet.fi/pub/ham/packet/terminal as PESCAV1F.ZIP.

This program allows the capture of mail forwarding just with a passive
monitoring of the channel, both W0RLI (non-compressed) and F6FBB
(compressed) formats are supported.

The captured mail is made available for import into a BBS.

Please comments and feedback thru this group or directed to
[e-mail].

Best Regards.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:26 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
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Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: 2 Sep 1996 15:51:38 GMT
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In <5074ih$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Christopher K. Greenhalgh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <5052ke$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana
Myers) writes:
>>
>>>>Ignorance is Bliss!!!!  And no excuse for running inadequite radios
on
>>>>the network.
>>
>>>Isn't that essentially what I said? ;-)
>
>>I would like to offer my apoligies to Rob and Dana for not entering
into a new
>>field with the absolutly best equipment money can buy on the planet.
>
>What is with the patronizing attitude?
>
>Someone asked if PLL radios are suitable for 9600 baud.
>
>You authoritatively answered "Yes, my Kenwood works flawlessly".
>
>Several people disagreed with you, and you argued with them,
continuing
>to claim your radio works flawlessly.
>
>No one, certainly not me, is saying people should start out with the
>very best equipment possible - that's your own red herring argument.
>
>If someone is starting out, they're best off if they select the
>equipment that works well with a minimum of fuss.  This doesn't
>mean they have to spend a lot of money - a Tekk radio sells new  for
>something like $100 and is ideal for 9600 baud, but a fancy
>Kenwood sells new for something like $400+ - but it does mean
>they should practice some care in the selection of equipment.
>
>There's really no need to become patronizing, Chris.
>
>--
> * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and
should *
> * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as
    *
> * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.
    *
>

Dana,

Don't take Chris too seriously he doesn't take to education too well.

Trying to educate Chris is kind of like trying to teach a pig to sing
it can't be done and it just annoys the pig. You and Gary and others
have experience and knowledge to offer don't waste your time on those
who will not hear.

I did find it interesting that a computer tech (from Chris's sig line)
does not understand collisions and service times better than he seems
to. I learned these lessons on a MicroVax I when I tried to lengthen
the disk drive data cable. The strobe reflections would take the entire
machine down.

We tend to use old Motorola rock bound radios for our 9600 baud stuff
as they are very stable and you can drop a truck on them. The test
points at the discriminator and varactor just make it even easier.
They use a lot more power than the TEKKs but I like the stability.

Now I must retire and put on my flame suit for the "Liar, liar, pants
on fire" tirade that is sure to follow this post.

                            CUL 73 Jerry



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:31:17 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:

>>I would like to offer my apoligies to Rob and Dana for not entering into a n
ew
>>field with the absolutly best equipment money can buy on the planet.
>>
>>If that is their definition of "ignorance"...I am guilty.

>I'd suggest ignorance is recomending using an unsuitable $500 radio
>to do the job of a $100 data radio.

And I apoligize to you, for not knowing as much on the subject as you do.

> It's cheaper to do it right than
>it is to do it wrong, and you'll cause less harm to other users of
>the LAN in the process.

Im not sure what you are reading into my post...the "best equipment money
can buy" for 9.6k packet, does not equat into the "most expensive"...please
read agin...that is not what I said.


I find it interesting that a fellow ham entering new territory, attempts to do

the best he can, with equipment advertised to do the job, is labled "ignorant"
by his peers.

>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: 2 Sep 1996 15:40:33 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>I'd suggest ignorance is recomending using an unsuitable $500 radio
>to do the job of a $100 data radio.

Gary, as you very well know, the problem isn't just ignorance.
It is not helpful to criticize someone for not knowing something.

The man bought the wrong radio, probably after spending a number of
hours agonizing over the expense, and asking around and getting opinions
from his buddies.  Now he feels honor-bound to defend his choice.

What's sad here is that neither he nor his buddies knew the correct
answer - but there is no shame to him in not knowing.  What's wrong
is that there are still people who don't know that the so-called
'9600 baud ready' radios generally aren't.

The shame is on the manufacturers who are duping people into buying
equipment which is unsuitable (or actively harmful) to the mode.

I would challenge TAPR, the ARRL, and any of the large packet clubs
to make it a point of honor to publish articles explaining WHY those
radios aren't suitable, and perhaps even to provide test data of
each of the various offerings.

I have not read any equipment reviews of any of the '9600 ready' radios
in QST or elsewhere.  Have any of those reviews mentioned T/R delays
or PLL sweeping?  Do the test labs even check those items?
        - Brian


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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]-
state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:

>I find it interesting that a fellow ham entering new territory, attempts to d
o
>the best he can, with equipment advertised to do the job, is labled "ignorant
"
>by his peers.

You must have missed all the attempts that have been made on this newsgroup,
in packet radio bulletins, and in QST (5/95) to explain that the equipment
advertised as "9600 baud ready" actually isn't.

Also, it often seems that amateurs tend to believe such a claim in a
commercial advertisement, and tend to disbelieve claims from their fellow
amateurs who happen to have tried it and found it was not true.

This is unfortunate, and not only for their own wallet but also for the
efficiency of packet radio as we all use it.

When a reasonably well documented article like the one in QST fails
to hit the brains of the newcomers, we have a problem.  Plainly stating
"what Kenwood tells you is not true" is not going to make much impact,
and I doubt any amateur is interested in going through a legal case
against the radio manufacturers and distributors about making false
claims in their commercial advertisements.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:34 1996
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From: "Ron Curry" <[e-mail]>
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You guys are really wasting your time here. After all the discussion he
still doesn't get it. It's unfortunate but this attitude reflects that of a
significant number of hams - "I bought it so it must be good and since I
have it now it's good enough. I don't care how it affects others". It's
that attitude that keeps amateur radio stuck in the stone age. It's what
makes 1200 baud packet run at 30 cps and 9600 baud packet at 120cps. It's
the same attitude that keeps us from proliferating  new standards at higher
bit rates. But.... he's happy with what he's doing (I think) so let it
rest. Just don't put a packet station on the same frequency he's on!
--
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]


Christopher K. Greenhalgh <[e-mail]> wrote in
article <[e-mail]>...
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
writes:
>
> One can spend $400 on a radio that can do voice, 1.2k packet, and 9.6k
> packet...on ANY frequency of his choice, verses a $150 rock bound rig
that
> can only do one thing, on one frequency.
>
> It really depends on the person, and how they intend to use their
equipment.
>



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) writ
es:

>>I find it interesting that a fellow ham entering new territory, attempts to
do
>>the best he can, with equipment advertised to do the job, is labled "ignoran
t"
>>by his peers.

>You must have missed all the attempts that have been made on this newsgroup,
>in packet radio bulletins, and in QST (5/95) to explain that the equipment
>advertised as "9600 baud ready" actually isn't.

The 451a IS "9600 baud ready"...but it just doesnt do the job as well as some
other rigs.

>Also, it often seems that amateurs tend to believe such a claim in a
>commercial advertisement, and tend to disbelieve claims from their fellow
>amateurs who happen to have tried it and found it was not true.

I have never experienced this.

>This is unfortunate, and not only for their own wallet but also for the
>efficiency of packet radio as we all use it.

Actually, the money can be considered well spent by some.

One can spend $400 on a radio that can do voice, 1.2k packet, and 9.6k
packet...on ANY frequency of his choice, verses a $150 rock bound rig that
can only do one thing, on one frequency.

It really depends on the person, and how they intend to use their equipment.

>When a reasonably well documented article like the one in QST fails
>to hit the brains of the newcomers, we have a problem.

Are you slamming hams who dont get, or read QST magazine? Are you
saying that it should be some sort of requirement to read QST?

>Plainly stating
>"what Kenwood tells you is not true" is not going to make much impact,
>and I doubt any amateur is interested in going through a legal case
>against the radio manufacturers and distributors about making false
>claims in their commercial advertisements.

Very true. I cant afford such legal fees, however, if I ever bought equipment
that didnt do what the manufacturer claims, and they didnt make it right, not
only would I never buy anything from them again, I would spread the word on
them as well.

Take care.




Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
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In article <01bb9a24$c199c180$[e-mail]> "Ron Curry" <
[e-mail]> writes:

>You guys are really wasting your time here. After all the discussion he
>still doesn't get it.

Get what Ron...please be specific.

>It's unfortunate but this attitude reflects that of a
>significant number of hams - "I bought it so it must be good and since I
>have it now it's good enough. I don't care how it affects others".

Rather assuming of you Ron. I never said it was "good", nor do I NOT care
about others.

>But.... he's happy with what he's doing (I think) so let it
>rest.

Yes...I am happy to enter into the higher baud rates of packet, however, as on
e
learns and progresses, one will adapt/adjust/aquire better equipment as his
knowledge increases.

>Just don't put a packet station on the same frequency he's on!

And there are some hams that I WOULDNT care to have on the same freq. Hams
who are presumptuous and condescending...any come to mind Ron?

Take care.




Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:46:19 GMT
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In article <50k8jo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers) wri
tes:

>You did say your TM-451A operates "flawlessly" at 9600 baud.  Most
>normal people would interpret that as something better than "good".

With the supplied TXD information (250ms), it does work flawlessly from
a working standpoint.

>I suppose this is where the controversy is - someone asked if a PLL
>radio can be used for 9600 baud and you answered "my TM-451A works
>flawlessly".  If it were just a matter of what you used at your station,
>it wouldn't be worth the effort - if you want to use an inferior radio
>that's your business.  But, you wrote a note to the Usenet telling
>other inexperienced operators that your TM-451A works "flawlessly".
>If someone is starting out, they've got a chance to select a much
>better radio for 9600 baud, but they might not after seeing your note.

As stated above above (which you conveiently exclude), I posted additional
information in the original reply, including the TXD...which will give a
clear indication of its preformance.

>So, the issue is primarily the fact that you've been encouraging others
>that are just starting out to make a poor choice for radio gear.

Again...the question was, will any PLL rigs from major manufactuers work
on 9.6k packet...the answer is yes...a (my) tm-451a "will work" on 9.6k packet
.

I never said it was the best rig to use...I answered his question.

>I don't know, Chris - how abot a ham that gives flawed advice and
>then argues with everyone that disagrees? ;-)

I argue with no one, and never gave "flawed advise". You are the one reading
what you want into my posts (and I think I know why).

But anyway, how about a ham who calls names when he cant debate/comment
effectively, do you know of any "strawman whiners" that come to mind Dana?

Take care.


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:32:07 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Co
ffman) writes:
Hello Gary.

>Of *course* he's ignorant, Christopher. What else could he be when
>entering a new field? Everyone starting out in a new area starts out
>ignorant. But ignorance can be cured, and that's what Rob and Dana were
>trying to do for you, cure your ignorance and try to prevent you from
>passing it on to someone else who is ignorant.

The original question was "are there any rigs from the big commercial companie
s
that will work 9.6k packet?" (not a direct quote from the poster)

I answered that a (my) tm-451a "will work 9.6k packet", so the answer was, and

still is, yes. I also included the TXD in the post, as to show how efficent
that rig is.

Now here are some added points...

Does the 451a work on 9.6k packet...yes.

Did I answer the original question correctly...yes.

Are there better radios than the 451a for 9.6k packet...yes.

Is it true that a 250ms TXD does not utilize 9.6k packet effectively...yes.

Did I already know all those things...yes.

This whole thread was a forum for some who wish to pick apart my every post,
and move away from the original issue...which was the question that I answered
correctly.

Take care Gary.



 Ignorance doesn't equate
>to inability to learn. That's what the tag *stupidity* is reserved for.
>If, after you've had it explained to you in excruciating detail why your
>choice is faulty, you continue to defend the faulty choice, then *that*
>is stupidity. And alas that *is* incurable, so there's no use wasting
>any more effort trying.

>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: 4 Sep 1996 15:52:24 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Christopher K. Greenhalgh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <01bb9a24$c199c180$[e-mail]> "Ron Curry"
<[e-mail]> writes:

[...]

>>It's unfortunate but this attitude reflects that of a
>>significant number of hams - "I bought it so it must be good and since I
>>have it now it's good enough. I don't care how it affects others".
>
>Rather assuming of you Ron. I never said it was "good", nor do I NOT care
>about others.

You did say your TM-451A operates "flawlessly" at 9600 baud.  Most
normal people would interpret that as something better than "good".

>>But.... he's happy with what he's doing (I think) so let it
>>rest.
>
>Yes...I am happy to enter into the higher baud rates of packet, however, as o
ne
>learns and progresses, one will adapt/adjust/aquire better equipment as his
>knowledge increases.

I suppose this is where the controversy is - someone asked if a PLL
radio can be used for 9600 baud and you answered "my TM-451A works
flawlessly".  If it were just a matter of what you used at your station,
it wouldn't be worth the effort - if you want to use an inferior radio
that's your business.  But, you wrote a note to the Usenet telling
other inexperienced operators that your TM-451A works "flawlessly".
If someone is starting out, they've got a chance to select a much
better radio for 9600 baud, but they might not after seeing your note.

So, the issue is primarily the fact that you've been encouraging others
that are just starting out to make a poor choice for radio gear.

>>Just don't put a packet station on the same frequency he's on!
>
>And there are some hams that I WOULDNT care to have on the same freq. Hams
>who are presumptuous and condescending...any come to mind Ron?

I don't know, Chris - how abot a ham that gives flawed advice and
then argues with everyone that disagrees? ;-)


--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>Gary, they (the ARRL) have been advised of their omission in testing for
>time delays and so far they have not responded.  At the ARRL Digital
>Ccommunications Conference last year in Texas,  my DRSTM (Data Radio
>Standard Test Methods) project was presented as a paper.  Jon Bloom from
>the ARRL Labs was in the audience and during the discussion following
>the presentation stated that he thought that the tests reported in QST
>did include timing tests.  A few days later he contacted the presenter
>and confirmed that there had not been any such tests conducted.  They
>expressed good interest in the DRSTM project.  A complete copy of the
>final proposed test procedure document was forwarded to them in Jan of
>this year.  So far no comments or even acknowledgement of receipt has
>been forthcoming.  A follow up message has also not elicited any
>response.  It makes one think that they are not really interested.

Well, I was leafing through the May QST in the "reading room"
a while ago and noticed that they *were* including T/R time
measurements in their radio reviews (the 2m HT "shootout").
Looks like they may have been paying attention after all. No
BER numbers in this article though, but I suppose they assumed
we wouldn't try to use a 2m HT for 9600 baud. (I wouldn't.)

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:08:17 GMT
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In article <50m8jo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers) wri
tes:


>Can anyone recommend a brand of 70cm radio from any of the major
>ham-radio manufacturers that is really suitable for 9600 baud packet?  I
>wonder if there are any PLL sets that are satisfactory?

>So, the actual query was for a brand of 70cm radio from a major
>manufacturer that is *really* suitable for 9600 baud packet.

He also asked if there are any PLL set that are "satisfactory".

>As has been clearly established, a TXD of 250mS makes a radio
>unsuitable for 9600 baud packet use, not to mention the
>potential for interference to other channels as the PLL
>settles down.

"Clearly established"? By who?

>Upon looking at the actual question again, it would appear that
>you didn't answer it.  He was asking what rigs were *really*
>suitable, not which rigs can work with an unacceptably long TXD.

And again, in his second question, his words were "satifactory".

>If you think I'm calling you
>names, that is a personal problem.  I'm just calling it the way
>I see it.

Well I hardley think of it as a "problem"...I couldnt care less that you
call me names. I dont let it bother me, and refuse to lower myself to
that level, thank you.

>The only reason I've attempted to engage in this discussion at all
>is to hopefully prevent some other amateur from following your
>flawed advice.  If you want to believe that your advice was correct
>and valuable, feel free, but you're not doing anyone a service.

I answered his question accuratly.

Take care Dana, and good luck.



Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:46 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
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In <01bb9a24$c199c180$[e-mail]> "Ron Curry"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>You guys are really wasting your time here. After all the discussion
he
>still doesn't get it. It's unfortunate but this attitude reflects that
of a
>significant number of hams - "I bought it so it must be good and since
I
>have it now it's good enough. I don't care how it affects others".
It's
>that attitude that keeps amateur radio stuck in the stone age. It's
what
>makes 1200 baud packet run at 30 cps and 9600 baud packet at 120cps.
It's
>the same attitude that keeps us from proliferating  new standards at
higher
>bit rates. But.... he's happy with what he's doing (I think) so let it
>rest. Just don't put a packet station on the same frequency he's on!
>--
>Ron Curry
>KE6WED
>[e-mail]
>
>

Actually Ron it is more than defending his purchase. Chris has never
been wrong. He thought he was once but that turned out not to be the
case. Once Chris makes up his mind he doesn't get confused by facts or
expert opinions. "I said it, I believe it, that settles it." As long as
anyone argues with him he will spew his nonsensical defense. Gary is on
the right track, he doesn't have a clue, he doesn't want a clue so
don't waste any more time or bandwidth on him. Maybe then he will go
back to alt.mcdonalds and alt.politics.homosexuality. Yes Chris you do
post to these groups; before you deny it you might want to check
Dejanews it's quick, easy and there you are.

                            73 Jerry



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]-
state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) wri
tes:


>>It only IS 9600 baud ready in YOUR opinion, and possibly Kenwood's.

>[subtle insults snipped]

>No Rob...thats a fact. Want to come over to my house? It spewing data
>as we speak at 9.6k.

No, I have heard enough Kenwood transceivers spewing data at 9k6.
And seen them retrying, or keeping the key down for unreasonable amounts
of time.

Rob
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| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Program Release - XPWare for Windows
Date: 2 Sep 1996 02:03:31 GMT
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I released the XPWare for Windows (XPWIN) program today and
it is available via FTP or WWW at the address shown in the signature.

This program supports the following hardware.

AEA             PK88, PK232, PK900, DSP232, DSP1232 and DSP2232 (Host Mode)
Kantronics      KPC-3, KPC-9612, KAM and KAM+ (Host Mode)
SCS/Paccomm     PTC, PTC-Plus and PTC-II Controllers
Hal             P38, PCI4000M and DSP-4100

Has binary transfer support for Clover, GTOR, Packet (YAPP) and Pactor.

<can run one or two controllers at the same time,  may be different types and
brands>

Transceiver Control Support (if Interface between computer and radio exists)

Icom            All HF radios with interface capability
Kenwood         All HF radios with interface capability
Yaesu           FT767, FT840, FT890, FT900, FT990, FT1000 and FT1000MP

Program Requirements

Computer        386 (25mhz) or better with 4 meg of memory
Hard Disk       4 meg of available space for installation.


73 Gary KF7XP



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* XPCOM - XPDUAL - XPKAM - XPPCI - XPPTC                            *
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Pheezer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Software for TNC's
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 07:24:44 GMT
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[e-mail] (Barry Anderson) wrote:

>I need an opinion. I recently purchased a KAM + and am looking
>for the best software for integrating it into my shack. I hear
>that KAGold is good, but there is also Hostmaster II+. What is
>the best to get ???
>--

Well - - -

KaGold is OK, but it is AWFULLY expensive.  And it requires that you contact t
he
manufacturer before you can use it.  Which means if you get it on a holiday or
on a weekend, be prepared to stare at the diskette until they open.  And it's
a
long distance call.

I was absoultely amazed to learn that, until not too long ago, the software do
es
not take advantage of extended/expanded memory.  They wanted a rather stiff
price for "upgrading" to the version which does take advantage of the extra
memory.  This memory "feature" should have been in the program LONG ago.

What they really need is competition.

73 & good luck.

Pheezer


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary L. Johnson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Software for TNC's
Date: 2 Sep 1996 14:10:04 GMT
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Here is another option for you.

I write both DOS and Windows based programs.

XPKAM is the DOS program.  It is designed strictly for the Kantronics
controllers.


XPWare for Windows (XPWIN) is the Windows based program.  It supports
AEA, Kantronics, SCS/PTC and Hal (P38, PCI4000M and DSP-4100) controllers.
Has ANSI, binary file transfers,  easy multiconnects,  dx cluster support,
callsign database support (SAM, QRZ!, Buckmaster and Radio Amateur Callbook),

transceiver interface control,  supports one or two controllers and more.


Full working demos are available via FTP or WWW sites  shown below.


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* Gary Johnson                    *  [phone] Voice           *
* [e-mail]           *  [phone] BBS             *
* CIS : 74041,2317                *                                 *
* FTP : ftp.indirect.com             directory : www/gjohnson       *
* WEB : http://www.indirect.com/user/gjohnson                       *
* XPCOM - XPDUAL - XPKAM - XPPCI - XPPTC                            *
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Software for TNC's
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff Towle) writes:
>
>One of the advantages of KaGOLD in Windows is that when it is resized
>to say 1/2 or 1/4 of the screen, the entire program is still visible
>due to the way Windows varies the font used. For Winapps, once they
>are resized to anything but full screen, the user is faced with
>scrollbars, and cannot see the entire program display. Well-behaved
>DOS apps in Windows (any version) or OS/2 run fast, smoothly, in the
>foreground or background, and when resized, still present a complete
>display of the program screen.

The downside of this is that unless you have a very large screen,
the fonts get too tiny to read comfortably when the window is
reduced to quarter screen, so the advantage touted becomes moot.
You can force the penalty box to use a larger font, but then you're
back to seeing only part of the text in the window. So to use this
feature effectively, you've got to spring for a big monitor (more
$$). This isn't a criticism of the program per se, just a fact of
life with reduced windows.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joao Martins)
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Subject: Start making packet
Date: 4 Sep 1996 08:47:48 GMT
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        Hi...

        I have a FM CB and i just had made a baycom modem 1.2K.
        I pretend to buy amateur equipement but use also CB.
        Anyone have schematics to make modems? I want more speed than
1.2K and I need to know if I can use speeds faster than 1.2 on CB.

        Tks in adv.



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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <50eodd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Christoph Na
dig) writes:
>I'm looking for people using TEKK-900 or TEKK-960 radios. Please write
>me you experiences!

I've got a couple of KS900s. There isn't much to tell. Wire it up
to the TNC (D connector on radio), hook on an antenna (BNC on radio),
feed it power (*must* be less than 11 volts, I use 9 VDC regulated),
it works.

There are a couple of things of note. *Obey* the power supply
voltage limit. They aren't kidding about keeping it below
11 volts. And if you don't have a spectrum analyzer handy,
let the factory crystal it up and tune it for your frequency.
It's easy to get a spectrum like a comb out of this thing if
you tune it wrong.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:58 1996
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From: "John Hughes" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Wefax during Sailing Voyage
Date: 2 Sep 1996 05:33:21 GMT
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Hello.  A prospective ham is going on an ocean sailing voyage early next
yr.  He's very interested in being able to dl wefax and although i've never
done it, i've shared the little i've read abt with him.

His latest question is whether a dat and/or dcc (not even sure what this
is) can be used instead of? a mmc?  Idea being to eliminate distortion.
This he got from one of his european friends.  Quickly beyond my expertise.
 Any ideas?  Does the dat (a recorder, i presume) take the place of mmc
like a kam?

Thanks


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:20:59 1996
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From: Dan Lehnen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Where is N0RSE?
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Marty Albert wrote:
>
> Has anyone heard from Jim N0RSE lately?
>
> His Web Site at interealm.com seems to have vanished and his site on
> netcom.com does not appear to be attended... I have sent him a note at
> both addresses, but no reply as of yet.
>
> Take Care & 73
>
> Marty Albert - [e-mail]
> Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM
>
> Heartland Internet Services
>
> *****************************************************
> How to reach 40 million customers for $29.00?
> http://www.adgrafix.com/info/calbertjr
> *****************************************************

Good question.. If you find out let me know.

Dan
n9uwe


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:21:00 1996
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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 21:48:18 -0700
From: Richard Levenberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Why not a BayPac BP-2M, Why a KPC-3

In a message Richard worte:

Can anyone who has used both or knows quite a bit about this stuff
tell me what I dont get with a BayPac BP-2M.  It is tiny, uses no
external power source, has lots of features and costs only 70 bucks.

Why would I want a KPC-3 over this unit.  I dont know anything about

I've known  about BAYCOM  modems and  they're cheap.   A friend  of mine is
running a  baycom modem  with Graphic  Packet software  and it makes packet
very easy to drive...I thing they are sold somewhere is USA and in Italy.


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:21:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: Why not a Baypac...
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>Can anyone who has used both or knows quite a bit about this stuff
>tell me what I dont get with a BayPac BP-2M.  It is tiny, uses no
>external power source, has lots of features and costs only 70 bucks.

>Why would I want a KPC-3 over this unit.  I dont know anything about

The primary difference that stand out the most is the BayPac units
actually make your computer act like a TNC. The downside to this is the fact
that it hogs the CPU, and to be "on the air" for any duration, you would have
a computer on, and running all the time.

A TNC on the other hand is a stand alone device. It will digi-peat, transmit,
recieve, and collect your mail with out the aid of a computer. The only time
the computer comes into play, is to interface with the TNC. As a matter of
fact, a computer is not even required to interface with a TNC...a dumb termina
l
will work just fine too.

Take care.




Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


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WTB:  AEA DSP-232 TNC

Email condition and price to:  [e-mail]

Thanks!



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: Re: Amateur Radio Newsline finance, donations at hamfest
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The TRW radio club (here in the LA area) was accepting donations for
Newsline at the hamfest (held monthly, last Saturday of each month).

Gave them $5.

This could be a reasonable idea for other ham clubs who stage hamfests,
to have a box for Newsline donations.  Assuming no legal issues.


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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
Date: 1 Sep 1996 00:37:21 -0400
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In article <50ara3$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I don't really believe you actually are (quite) that stupid ... I just
>wanted to see if you read carefully enough to catch it ... guess not.

More like I purposely avoided your lame attempt to flame me.

So much for those "kindler, gentler" words you were professing earlier,
huh? Back to the old ad hominem attacks are we?

MD
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Edwin Teh, 9V1ZY)
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Subject: ### Motorola AP50 - Looking for Mods
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Does anyone have any mods for the Motorola AP50 (Standard/Compact).
Please email them to me at [e-mail]
Thanks.

73 de 9V1ZY

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:36 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 96 01:59:44 -0500
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<[e-mail]> writes:

>Perhaps a more accurate assessment could be obtained by mailing a ballot
>on the issue to EVERY licensed US ham, with the reqirement that it be
>executed and returned or the license would be revoked?  This would serve

You must have been very sad on the day that the USSR collapsed.

>increasingly senile old-timers whose primary interest is in protecting

Judging from your remarks on this forum, there are probably many who hope you
don't get to be a senile old-timer.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:37 1996
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In <50a72k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:

>All these foreign hams decide to use the extra-class DX windows
>and operate CW to "escape" from poor "general" class operators?  Did
>I get that straight?
>
To escape getting buried in the pileup, etc. is what I said.

>So, what you're saying is that the extra class license examinations
>(along with that 20wpm code test) somehow give us better operators on
>HF, is that it? (Must be, since all these foreign ops want to talk to
>them.)
>
No, that's not what I said ... they hang out there because there are
less US ops that can get on top of them there ... not because they'll
only work extras.

>Oh, and maybe you can tell me: how much "foreign dx" (foreign-to-non-US
>contacts) is in that lower 25kc? Just so I know, because I wouldn't want
>to make a statement like "funny, most of the dx I hear in the lower 25kc
>seems to be foreign ops contacting US ops".
>
Yes, they'll work US ops ... they're not rude ... but they avoid getting
buried by staying away from the areas where US ops can pile up on top of
them.

I really believe you know this and that you're just trying to blow
smoke, so I'm becoming less and less inclined to "debate" with you ...
it's clear that nobody will ever change your mind and I've got better
things to do ... like carry on discussions with people who at least
debate the issue in good faith ... even if we disagree.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:38 1996
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Date: 1 Sep 1996 03:02:57 GMT
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In <01bb9773$b93349c0$[e-mail]>, "Brian {G7SMQ}" <kraftee@prowe
b.co.uk> writes:
>these questions I MUST ask:-
>
>1)Is the RSGB mainly interested in making a good profit, indeed any profit
>& if so when are you going to start worrying about the ongoing drop of
>members?
>

Sounds a LOT like the ARRL ... and I thought we US hams were the only
ones with a "National Spokes-Organization" that's really a front for a
business empire whose primary purpose is to keep the "leadership" from
having to get REAL jobs ...


>2)Isn't the RSGB supposed to be for the furtherance of amateur radio in the
>UK not the furtherance of some clique of supposed professionals?
>

Same response as above  ....

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
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In article <50b8e6$[e-mail]>,
        Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I think we should call them the 'RF VIRGINS'.  Or maybe we should call them
>'MODE CHALLENGED AMATEURS'.  What do you think ?

I got it.

We can refer to them as the "Morsely-Challenged".

For the "olde fartz" that Spew constantly refers to, we can refer
to them as the "metabolically-challenged".

MD
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who Do You Hear on HF?
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 04:24:26 GMT
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timhynde <[e-mail]> wrote:


>Hi Drew:
>Could you name one commercial loss of the HF bands?
>Can you name one commercial organization petitioning for HF bandwidth?
>Your argument may have some merit, unfortunatly you picked the wrong
>band as an example. If anything we have gained more HF frequencys
>(WARC).
>Also, your tuned to the wrong frequencys. Try increasing your code speed
>and
>check in to some QRP frequencys. Lots of fun people to QSO with, mostly
>revolving
>around things they have built etc.

>73,
>Tim, ka8ddz

Tim,
    Apparently you don't know Spew. Let me introduce him to you.  The fact
that he can spell 'HF' amazes most of us.  Asking him to explain things about
it is over his head.  He can't 'tune in' to the QRP frequencies, as he doesn't
have a radio. (He hears voices in his head, so I guess he doesn't need one).
He can't increase his code speed, as he has no code speed to increase.
Trying to explain to him how he could enjoy ham radio is useless.   He doesn't
want to enjoy ham radio - he only wants to troll on internet.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:44 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Burt talks to God.
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 07:08:10 -0400
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Jeffrey Herman wrote:
>
> >Then tell me why just yeaterday one of my female students who would
> >rather die than do something nice for a teacher have me a warm hug to
> >thank me
> >for how I changed her life?

> She wanted a higher grade?

She has no interest in her grades. She works to learn.


> I fail to see how teaching her A/V skills "changed her life", unless you
> taught her how to use her VCR.

She is a videographer and on air talent. She recently did an interview
at the ABC affilate in Boston. Being a Barbra Walters or Diane Sawyer,
that
is nothing compared to being a GLORIOUS HAM RADIO OPERATOR, right?



> Why don't you teach a more worthwhile subject that would benefit society?

I did (ham radio) but no one was interested.



--
#================#==================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics  |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)             |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember |
#================#==================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                       |
#===================================================================#

http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/qrz_gifs?k1oik.gif


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:45 1996
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From: Dung Beetle <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: New Web Site up and running
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 07:33:50 -0400
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Zero wrote:
>
> I welcome all to visit my web site
>
> http://www.cwave.com/users/srcrawford
>
> --
> Stuart R. Crawford
> Calgary, Alberta



Big Fu*kin* Deal.
Next time list your lame page with a search engine. No need to clutter
up some newsgroups announcing your lame page.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation"
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 96 09:38:00 -0400
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To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues

C>OK ... for what price? $5 a copy?  At that price, the "membership"
 >amounts to a discounted subscription. That is a good deal for readers
 >(financially), but a bad deal for the "subscriber-only-members" who feel
 >that the ARRL is NOT representing their desires and interests and for
 >the majority of US hams who are NOT "members" in any sense.

I am one of those.  I joined for two reasons:  QST and the outgoing QSL
buro-period.
---
   OLX 1.53   -------------->    73, de NK2U    <----------------
 * Origin: CyberNet BBS   Lyndhurst, NJ (1:2604/151)

                            ...........oooooooooóóóOO0O0o
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:47 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Callsigns Available ?
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Jim Kluetz wrote:
>
> Is there anyplace where one can find a listing of unassigned callsigns
> available for the vanity callsign program ? There was a web site at
> one time but I can't find it now (forgot to bookmark it :-< )
>
> Jim, NK5V


Hi Jim here are a few -- the first one is a daily call assignment so you
can see whats taken daily.

http://www.lantz.com/htbin/cbs_today

Here are the 2x1 and 1x2 listings

http://www.ultranet.com/~bob/

Another:

First go to KA9FOXs fine Page at URL:
http://www.qth.com/ka9fox/
Then scroll to: The Contest / DX Library
Click on: U.S. Vanity Callsign Information
Sroll again to:
U.S. Vanity Callsign Information

Good Luck
Rod in San Diego


--
Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:48 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Icom R-7000
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 15:51:33 -0500
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Hi all. On the R-7000, is it safe and legal to send these via
mail or ups or however?  Mine got poped by lightning, and I think
part of that anti-cell monitor makes it unlawful  to mail  these.

Thanks,
Jim


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:49 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 17:01:38 -0400
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> ><[e-mail]> writes:
> >
> >>Perhaps a more accurate assessment could be obtained by mailing a ballot
> >>on the issue to EVERY licensed US ham, with the reqirement that it be
> >>executed and returned or the license would be revoked?  This would serve
> >
> >You must have been very sad on the day that the USSR collapsed.
> >
>
> What te hell about what I said above has ANYTHING to being a communist?
> (which is what you equated me to with your comment)
>
> What would be so onerous about requiring hams to return a card in a
> postage-paid return envelope, checking the box and indicating that they
> were, in fact, still alive and cared enough to reply??????
>
> As I said, it would allow the FCC to reclaim a LOT of SK callsigns,
> which they could re-issue for a fee under the new vanity call program,
> raising revenue that they might even apply to better enforcement
> programs.
>
> It would ALSO let the FCC get a clear unbiased view of the REAL opinions
> of the US ham population, instead of the slanted, backward trash that
> the ARRL feeds them.
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]
___

There are, in fact, quite a number of active, technically
competent/progressive amateurs who work at the FCC in positions of
authority.  This may come as a shock to you but these guys really do
know what's going on in amateur radio today- without having to rely
soley on the ARRL for guidance.

Sometimes your posts smack of real arrogance. Your constant suggestion
that the old timers are largely behind the technological curve suggests
that you don't get out much.  You really do need to get to know some of
the other members of this great fraternity- you might be surprised at
the number of the old timers who are at least as smart as you think you
are.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:50 1996
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From: Matt Werner <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: JNOS, looking for ..
Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 18:23:40 -0500
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To: Marcelo Cury - PY1TTO <[e-mail]>

Marcelo Cury - PY1TTO wrote:

> I am looking for JNOS system.
> Where can I get a copy ?

ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip/jnos

I suppose there are mirrors too, but that's what
I use...

73 - Matt


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Barry Rose)
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The full story is on the home page of the Arizona Repeater Association
http://www.indirect.com/www/ara



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Is there any good packet software that works with Win 3.1 or Windows 95.

Many thanks,
John Klop
VK7KCC
Devonport,
Tasmania,
Australia.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:53 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: 2 Sep 1996 01:16:41 GMT
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In <50d7ls$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael P
. Deignan) writes:
>In article <50csc2$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>And they think their views should be the law of the land.  (after all,
>>that's the 'natural' way ...  the way God intended it, right?)
>
>Funny, but you don't believe in a code test, and you think eliminating
>the code test should be the "law of the land".
>
>Seems hypocritical of you to be condemning people for their beliefs when
>you yourself are guilty of the same action.
>
NOTHING should be "the law of the land" unless it's ABSOLUTELY
NECESSARY for there to be a law saying it is.

The authors of the Constitution would surely spin in their graves if
they knew some of the stupid stuff that our government has made laws
about.

Not mandating an unnecessary testing requirement does not constitute
making something "the law of the land" ... laws are ACTIVE things
REQUIRING some action or PROHIBITING some action.

Being silent is PASSIVE ...  and that's the way the law should be in a
hell of a lot more cases than it is ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Gyer)
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Subject: Re: HELP: IS PC SWITCHING POWER SUPPLY OK???
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 02:14:37 GMT
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No problem with switchers per se, but pirateing a computer supply is
not without its problems.

All switchers require a minimum load.  In many computer supplies its
the fan.  Some assume some minimum load on the mother board.  They go
out of regulation or stop oscillating and smoke with less than the
minimum current draw.

My ICOM IC740 has the optional built-in 13.8 volt supply and it works
fine but it was designed for communications.

There is a big difference between 12 volts and 13.8 volts.  In the
case of my Radio Shack HTX-202 2 meter handy-talky it's 6 Watts at
13.8 and 5 W at 12.0.  That's a 20% drop in power.  Most mobile
equipment assumes a vehicle with a running alternator which is where
the 13.8 value comes from.

Best
Jim Gyer KC7RKL ([e-mail])
====================================================================

[e-mail] (Bry) wrote:

>The other bad problem with many of those old switcher power supplies is
>that they generate a lot of RF hash!

>[e-mail] (Big Boy) scribbled:

>|I have a old crap 8088 'tole box' as you can say!  With the power supply.
>It's
>|rated 7Amp at 12 Volts but i'm wandering if i can use it to supply my mobile
>|(used as a base) 13.8V tranceiver unit.  I dont know much of switching power
>|supply technology and i want to know if it's safe.  The problem may be when
i
>|switch from RX to TX and from TX to RX... could there be a fatal burst of
>|voltage?  Or peraps with a big cap, like 22 000uF, at the exit i can control
>|those peek?

>|Unfortunately, i dont have an scope to make charge test.

>|E-mail me on that please...

>|Thanks and 73 to all readers

>|---------------------------------------
>|"640K will be ok for everyone..."

>|Bill Gates '82
>|---------------------------------------




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From: John Nelson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 07:48:40 -0800
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Michael P. Deignan wrote:

> I really have little interest in building my own radio gear, and I think
> its very bad policy to FORCE anyone to learn it if they don't have
> interest.
>
> Yup, works for me.

Again, when was the last time YOU built your own vacuum tubes, capacitors,
etc?
>
> I keep hearing this, but evidence shows otherwise.

What does the "evidence" show?

> For one thing, one
> doesn't have to take a "theory test" to get a commercial license for,
> say, the 150mhz public safety band. I didn't have to take a theory

Right, because type accepted equipment for that band is channelized. Hardware
modification must be done by licensed technicians.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:57 1996
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From: Thomas Foster <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Morse training programs?
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 12:04:08 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I'm considering to get a ham licence, and since this here in
> No-way means that I have to learn morse, I was wondering if
> there is any morse training programs for DOS/Windows 3.1
> available, preferably PD/shareware.
> I also wonder if there is possible to get some kind of
> automatic morse decoding programs, so I could connect the
> receiver (and maybe also a transmitter) to the computer (ie.
> via the soundcard or a simple home-made interface) so I
> could receive (and maybe also xmit) morse as text on the
> screen.
>
> Mista Moron
> [e-mail]


Try my new Morse Code program, International Morse Code Processor
(IMCPW311.ZIP), at

   http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win3/ham/imcpw311.zip

Below are its major features:

Morse code tutor for Windows 3.1 & Windows 95. Excellent for learning
and maintaining one's Morse code skills. Provides code speed of 3-50 wpm
and character speed of 10-50 wpm for Farnsworth code. Includes
comprehensive help facility, main menu and popup menu, and eleven code
practice lessons. Fully customizable from the Options menu. Sound card
not required. Requires 692K of free hard disk.

73,
Lindsay
WA4ISZ


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help: FT890--KamPLus-Digital modes
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 12:15:32 GMT
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If anybody has used this combination and has a few tips or tricks on
how to get things working, I would sure appreciate hearing from you.

Tnx es 73 de Dave
[e-mail]
Livermore Falls, Maine




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:45:59 1996
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From: antalick <[e-mail]>
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Subject: IC 740 full coverage
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 13:59:45 -0700
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Does anybody know how to modify an ICOM IC 740 to be, if possible,
full coverage, at least on the receiver side.
Many thanks from Bordeaux France
Roland F6ANF


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From: [e-mail] (David M Schertzer)
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I'm located near Victoria, BC and need info concerning the IPAR net?
Repeater freqs, cost, who can I write too..etc ect...I hear it's link to Nfld!
Lot of friends on the East cost ....Thanks dave..
Plse email direct w/ info...

BTW- Yes, I'm in the USA (Canadian Navy) 2hr from the boarder.

Oak Harbor, WA   USA
Ham Radio - VE7-LFA/W7
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Kantor)
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Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: 2 Sep 1996 15:40:33 GMT
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>I'd suggest ignorance is recomending using an unsuitable $500 radio
>to do the job of a $100 data radio.

Gary, as you very well know, the problem isn't just ignorance.
It is not helpful to criticize someone for not knowing something.

The man bought the wrong radio, probably after spending a number of
hours agonizing over the expense, and asking around and getting opinions
from his buddies.  Now he feels honor-bound to defend his choice.

What's sad here is that neither he nor his buddies knew the correct
answer - but there is no shame to him in not knowing.  What's wrong
is that there are still people who don't know that the so-called
'9600 baud ready' radios generally aren't.

The shame is on the manufacturers who are duping people into buying
equipment which is unsuitable (or actively harmful) to the mode.

I would challenge TAPR, the ARRL, and any of the large packet clubs
to make it a point of honor to publish articles explaining WHY those
radios aren't suitable, and perhaps even to provide test data of
each of the various offerings.

I have not read any equipment reviews of any of the '9600 ready' radios
in QST or elsewhere.  Have any of those reviews mentioned T/R delays
or PLL sweeping?  Do the test labs even check those items?
        - Brian


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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
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In <5074ih$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Christopher K. Greenhalgh <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <5052ke$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana
Myers) writes:
>>
>>>>Ignorance is Bliss!!!!  And no excuse for running inadequite radios
on
>>>>the network.
>>
>>>Isn't that essentially what I said? ;-)
>
>>I would like to offer my apoligies to Rob and Dana for not entering
into a new
>>field with the absolutly best equipment money can buy on the planet.
>
>What is with the patronizing attitude?
>
>Someone asked if PLL radios are suitable for 9600 baud.
>
>You authoritatively answered "Yes, my Kenwood works flawlessly".
>
>Several people disagreed with you, and you argued with them,
continuing
>to claim your radio works flawlessly.
>
>No one, certainly not me, is saying people should start out with the
>very best equipment possible - that's your own red herring argument.
>
>If someone is starting out, they're best off if they select the
>equipment that works well with a minimum of fuss.  This doesn't
>mean they have to spend a lot of money - a Tekk radio sells new  for
>something like $100 and is ideal for 9600 baud, but a fancy
>Kenwood sells new for something like $400+ - but it does mean
>they should practice some care in the selection of equipment.
>
>There's really no need to become patronizing, Chris.
>
>--
> * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and
should *
> * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as
    *
> * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.
    *
>

Dana,

Don't take Chris too seriously he doesn't take to education too well.

Trying to educate Chris is kind of like trying to teach a pig to sing
it can't be done and it just annoys the pig. You and Gary and others
have experience and knowledge to offer don't waste your time on those
who will not hear.

I did find it interesting that a computer tech (from Chris's sig line)
does not understand collisions and service times better than he seems
to. I learned these lessons on a MicroVax I when I tried to lengthen
the disk drive data cable. The strobe reflections would take the entire
machine down.

We tend to use old Motorola rock bound radios for our 9600 baud stuff
as they are very stable and you can drop a truck on them. The test
points at the discriminator and varactor just make it even easier.
They use a lot more power than the TEKKs but I like the stability.

Now I must retire and put on my flame suit for the "Liar, liar, pants
on fire" tirade that is sure to follow this post.

                            CUL 73 Jerry



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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Code Vs No-Code. End The Cry!!!
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My Gawd, all the rhetoric
The endless string of words
That brings out the no-coders
And the extras in herds
CW vs NO-CW is the endless cry!

Like a broken record
Or so it would seem
Like a hellish nightmare
Or a bad mealÆs dream
CW vs NO-CW
Lord spare me this endless cry!

Its a challenge -say some
Its ancient -proclaim others
And so the thread hums
Between us Ham Brothers
CW vs NO-CW is the tireless cry!

Words words words
Over and Over
Its enough to drive
A drunken man sober
CW vs NO-CW is the ad nauseum cry!

Rationalize, prove
and otherwise convince
All these dumb arguments
would  make a crooked judge wince
CW vs NO-CW-Oh not again!

It turns some- just downright mean
Like a Junk-Yard Dog
They holler and scream
Lid, Swine, filthy SSB Hog
Or You Olde Fahrtz with a rotting log!!

But Pro or Con
This truth can be found
For that treasured upgrade
To this you are bound
As of  this moment
All that is around
Is CW -- the only game
In the whole damn town
CW vs No-CW -- End the cry!!!!

73 From AC6V
--
Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (david l. thompson)
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Subject: Re: IC 740 full coverage
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antalick <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anybody know how to modify an ICOM IC 740 to be, if possible,
>full coverage, at least on the receiver side.
>Many thanks from Bordeaux France
>Roland F6ANF

Roland,

I spoke with at least two ex Icom employees about the IC740.  You can
make it transmit on the WARC bands, but there is no general Coverage
conversion without extensive modification and then it would be cheaper
to get a later model (IC745, 751, 751A) with the general VFO.

My IC740 now works on the WARC bands, but I have a Yaesu for general
coverage.    You do have 10Mhz for WWV time coverage and CHU Canada
is heard on 7333 Khz.  Don't know about France.

73, Dave K4JRB



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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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In article <50faku$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Amateur radio will have now more clout with five million, mostly
>>incompotent licensees than it has w/current numbers.  The answer is not
>>more but better.
>>
>
>Again the ever-present assumption and assertion, with not a shred of
>factual basis, that "If you don't do CW, you're incompetent."

You must be fun at a party with your mind-reading parlor tricks. I
must have missed the letters "CW" anywhere in Steve's statement.


>At least I can spell "incompetent" ...  and I believe you meant "...
>no more clout ..."  not "...  now more clout ..."

Yes, but you can't spell ridiculous.  The second letter is not 'e', it
is an 'i'.


MD
--
--
--  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


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Subject: Re: Who Do You Hear on HF?
Date: 2 Sep 1996 19:11:01 GMT
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In <50d8lj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:

>How will sticking a bunch of people on HF save our VHF frequencies?
>Seems you'd want them on VHF.
>

Point is, the removal of the code requirement will bring in larger
numbers of otherwise qualified new hams ... both to the HF and VHF/UHF
bands.

You have to be smart enough to realize that most people think of
comunicating with people in distant places when they think of ham radio.

That means HF (OK, satellite, too ... but most beginners know about HF
and don't yet realize that we've got satellites, too.)

People stay away because they don't like the requirement and the
restrictions on their operating abilities that it imposes.
Nobody wants/likes to be classified as a "second class citizen."

 >Oops, forgot. You already have a VHF code-free test, and that one
>didn't work to "save our bands", huh?
>

Not enough numbers yet ... and not enough VALUE in the USE ... we are
simply not making good enough use of our bands in terms of users/MHZ ..
or in quality of use ... and CW testing does not assure quality of use
.. look at all the passed-the-CW-test lids on 14.3xx, for example.

>Perhaps you'll detail all the HF
frequency threats for us, so we >can take up a letter-writing campaign.
>

The threats will come in the future, after we've lost a few VHF/UHF
bands and the no-code folks have given up in frustration because the
CW-forever-establishment has been so short-sighted and narrowminded.

>>of a "lesser class" with respect to both hamdom and humanity in
>>general, than he is, and therefore is ignorant and unworthy of
>>expressing his views.  (This trait seems almost universal amongst those
>>who feel that maintaining the CW test is imperative.)
>
>Funny Carl, but the personal insults you've directed at myself and
>others seems to suggest that you're pretty much intolerant of other
>people's views too.
>

I've responded IN KIND to the slurs and inuendo you and your compadres
hurl at the "no-coders" and those with-code hams like myself who avocate
the abandomnent of code testing.

>Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

>>
>>I make no claim to knowing Drew, and will therefore disclaim any general
>>endorsement of him, but his "What do you hear on HF?" examples are, to a
>>VERY large degree, disgustingly accurate.
>
>Drew lives in Florida. What would you expect listening to local HF talk
>when you live in the state with the highest per-capita of the elderly?
>

Oh, come on! You can do better than that ... you don't seriously expect
that anyone listening here will buy the argument that Drew only hears
old fogies because he lives in Florida?  HF doesn't cross state
boundaries, huh??? Then it's like VHF, so we should have a code-free
license there, too!!!!

BTW ... until this May, I was living in Florida ... I can assure you
that the vast majority of old fogies I heard (as Drew said, "complaining
incessantly about their health problems," etc.) were NOT locals.

Carl - wa6vse
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From: [e-mail] (Jacques Hankin)
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[e-mail] wrote:

>In <01bb9773$b93349c0$[e-mail]>, "Brian {G7SMQ}" <kraftee@prow
eb.co.uk> writes:
>>these questions I MUST ask:-
>>
>>1)Is the RSGB mainly interested in making a good profit, indeed any profit
>>& if so when are you going to start worrying about the ongoing drop of
>>members?
>>

>Sounds a LOT like the ARRL ... and I thought we US hams were the only
>ones with a "National Spokes-Organization" that's really a front for a
>business empire whose primary purpose is to keep the "leadership" from
>having to get REAL jobs ...


>>2)Isn't the RSGB supposed to be for the furtherance of amateur radio in the
>>UK not the furtherance of some clique of supposed professionals?
>>

>Same response as above  ....

>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]

I think it stems from what I call the "caretaker syndrome":-  the
state of affairs when people have sway over property / rules of
conduct / club activities / intellectual properties/ power etc.
The role then is devoted to the keeping of that influence, rather than
using it to execute the job it was given for in the first place.

These "caretakers" are appointed, voted on, or mould a job for
themselves in any organisation.
There follows an unshakable faith that their decision is the correct
one because of insider information, and this is bolstered up by the
realisation that the system can be manipulated to give endorsement to
a preconceived result.
It happens in trade organisations, clubs, companies, political
parties, the quartermaster's stores, schools and councils.

There then follows the inevitable power struggle, where people who are
not happy with the status quo, take on the establishment, and either
succeed or fail. Various stratagems are employed by both sides,
usually dressed up in the guise of democracy, but what we have is as
old as the human race.
The fact that the "silent majority" want a good service, but have
neither the time nor the inclination to "get stuck in" just
perpetuates the situation.

Depressing, but true.

The fact that packet and the internet can allow people to hack away at
others without having face-to-face contact, has exposed *much*
dis-satisfaction and angst which has hitherto stayed under the
surface.

I have no axe to grind either way, other than to say I find the whole
situation disappointing in the extreme.

I might also say that I view it as significant, that the organisation
which supposedly looks after the PR of radio amateurs in our fair
land, and beyond our borders, seems to be the last group of people to
wake up to the *need*,(let alone the opportunities) for PR on the
net, and on packet, (where their credibility is being attacked daily,
and where they could do a really good job of publicly redressing the
balance.

People who move slower than their customers end up on the rocks.

(Phew! did I write all that?)
Please folks, grow up.

It is the result of quasi-democratisation of an organisation, and is
kept alive by the apathy or the


Jacques

Remember when sex was safe...
and rock climbing was dangerous?



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From: [e-mail] (Todd Little)
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In article <505kej$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

> Thanks for clearing that up for me Todd.  Sometimes I have a hard
> time staying awake reading what Gary says.

I can believe that based upon your apparent short attention span.
Must explain why  you thrive on DX CW contacts.  After all, how long
can it take to send XXXX ur 5NN, TU 73 DE KH2D?   Weren't you just
boasting about working 5 contacts per minute instead of 5 words
per minute?  I guess if something takes more than 12 seconds to
get through, you must blow it off to keep your rate up.

> Besides, if Gary has hired you to do his arguing for him,  I'm outta here.
> I learned my lesson - never argue with a pro.

I'd be tempted to say yes, if you'd live up to your statement, but I doubt you
'd
adhere to that.  Your style of "arguing" brings back strong memories
of a certain Monty Python skit...

73,
Todd
N9MWB




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: ### Motorola AP50 - Looking for Mods
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 96 21:03:53 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Sc
ott Manthe) wrote:
>In article <50b4lg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Amdor
>III) wrote:
>
>>Hi Edwin...
>>
>>Haven't been to IRC #hamradio for a while...how are you?
>>
>>What is an AP-50?  Is it a Motorola ham rig?
>>
>>John  KD6MXL
>>[e-mail]
>
>It's a Motorola ham rig. Unavailable in the US, unfortunately, although I
>may have a few pretty soon to get rid of. I thought the thing was
>broadbanded, so I wonder what mods he needs...
>
Correction the Motorola HAM rig is avalable in US, .Royal Communication in CA
is SOLE DIST.

I have personaly had a DEMO unit at our store we are in the process of
deciding if we want to sell and stock them.

AP-50  however ROYAL has decide to stock only the LARGER of the two size HT.

Jeff
Ham Station USA.
>>[e-mail] (Edwin Teh, 9V1ZY) wrote:
>>
>>>Does anyone have any mods for the Motorola AP50 (Standard/Compact).
>>>Please email them to me at [e-mail]
>>>Thanks.
>>
>>>73 de 9V1ZY
>>
>>>--
>>>[e-mail]          -[ Standard Disclaimers Apply ]-
>>
>>>          Now Faith is a substance of things hoped for,
>>>           the evidence of things not seen. [Heb 11:1]
>>
>>>             As Email can be altered electronically,
>>>     the integrity of this communication is not guaranteed.
>
>Scott A. Manthe
> E-MAIL: [e-mail]
> Protect your privacy,
> use PGP.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Re: Morse training programs?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 22:34:21 GMT
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In article <50dmtr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

> I'm considering to get a ham licence, and since this here in
> No-way means that I have to learn morse, I was wondering if
> there is any morse training programs for DOS/Windows 3.1
> available, preferably PD/shareware.
> I also wonder if there is possible to get some kind of
> automatic morse decoding programs, so I could connect the
> receiver (and maybe also a transmitter) to the computer (ie.
> via the soundcard or a simple home-made interface) so I
> could receive (and maybe also xmit) morse as text on the
> screen.
>
> Mista Moron
> [e-mail]

Check out the latest Ham Radio.FAQ on my home page.

73,

            John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
        144 Pepperidge Dr |_|   |_| page [e-mail]
Manchester, NH 03103-6150 |_|_ _|_| [e-mail]
  voice mail 603.533.3472 | | | | | fax [phone]

                    www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v
            Digital Scope.FAQ + Application Notes


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Away a while...  got a packet question.
Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 22:49:07 GMT
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"Ryan Tourge" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have not been radioactive for awhile, and was wondering what baud rates
>are packet TNC's using now?


>--
>              Ryan Tourge, N2YQT
>Firefighter - Certified EMS First Responder
>       Certified Haz-Mat First Responder
>                    Chestertown, NY
>               [e-mail]
>    http://www.netheaven.com/~ryguy/

Hi, Ryan:

Believe it or not, the VAST majority of users are still at 1200 bps.
There are many LANs and WANs at 9600 bps and a (very) few LANs running
at 56Kbps.

Sad, huh?

Take Care & 73


Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:17 1996
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Subject: IPS Daily Report - 02 September 96
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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 02/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1996 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE AUSTRALIAN SPACE FORECAST CENTRE
SUMMARY FOR 02 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 03 SEPTEMBER - 05 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: very low

Flares: None

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number : 72/7

GOES satellite data for 01 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   4.2E+05
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.7E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 7.0E+08 (high)
       X-ray background: A8.5
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             03 Sep             04 Sep             05 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 03 Sep: 72/7

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: Quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 01 Sep
    Learmonth       10  2322 3322
    Fredericksburg  05                          06
    Planetary       05                          05

Observed Kp for 01 Sep: 2113 1111

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Date      Ap    Conditions
03 Sep     5    Quiet
04 Sep     5    Quiet
05 Sep     8    Quiet to unsettled

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    Latitude Band
Date        Low            Middle         High
02 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    Latitude Band
Date        Low            Middle         High
03 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal
04 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal
05 Sep      Normal         Normal         Fair

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
Date   T index
02 Sep    15

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Darwin: depressed 30% 04-05UT, near predicted monthly values
at other times.
Townsville: near predicted monthly values, spread F local
night.
Sydney: enhanced 15%
Hobart: near predicted monthly values, spread F local night.

Predicted Monthly T index for September:   9

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
Date   T index  MUFs
03 Sep    10    near predicted monthly values
04 Sep    10    near predicted monthly values
05 Sep    10    near predicted monthly values

--
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:17 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight.  Yuck
Date: 2 Sep 1996 23:42:34 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]>
 writes:
>Robert Casey wrote:
>>
>> In article <50b3a9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>> >[e-mail] (bill harris) wrote:
>> >>> Had to check that I had tuned 3.88 MHz
>> >>>instead of 27.something it was so bad.
>> >>
>> Wow! I posted this about a year ago.
>
>Must be all those rotten, undisciplined no-coders!  :-P
>--
>Dick Flanagan, W6OLD - ([e-mail]) - Minden, Nevada

Dick,

Always nice to see a 1x3 w6 with a sense of humor relating to the code
debate.

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:19 1996
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Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation"
Date: 2 Sep 1996 23:45:58 GMT
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In <50fa4o$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landin
g, NJ writes:
>>   [e-mail] (ROLAND STINER) writes:
>>
>>  I am one of those.  I joined for two reasons:  QST and the outgoing QSL
>>  buro-period.
>
>the alternatives are many.  (1) buy your QST from the local electronics store
 or book store
>(2) use one of the several alternate outgoing buros that exist
>
>simple solutions to simple problems for simple people
>
>steve

Steve,

Roland's reply didn't merit the "simple people" remark.  He simply
confirmed that he, too, only "joined" the ARRL for QST and the QSL
bureau service ... not with any expectation that his views would be
"represented" to the FCC.

So it's "a no-no" to politely say you're not satisfied with the ARRL?

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:20 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: IARU/FCC QSO Regulations ( was: Who Do You Hear on HF? )
Date: 3 Sep 1996 00:31:32 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
 writes:
>Hi y'all
>       To my knowledge there is no requirement that a conversion
>between two parties has to be of interest to a third party. If two
>people want to discuss the weather, medical problems, winsock
>programming or whatever, what is wrong with that as long as both
>parties consider the subject of interest? I was unaware that the QSO
>had to be of interest to anyone who might be copying the mail. If this
>is the case would someone kindly inform me where I can find a listing
>of topics that are of interest to ALL even though they are not
>actively involved in the conversation?

Obviously, there is no such requirement (you can talk about just about
anything you want (except business, third party traffic to countries
without the proper agreements, and a few other things).

I believe you're referring to Drew's comments about the apparent
preponderance of old people on HF, talking about their health problems,
etc.

In Drew's defense, I don't think he intended to say that folks can't
talk about what they want if it's not of interest to him or others, but
rather just to state that it's dissappointing to find so little else to
listen to ... in otherwords, there's a growing lack of diversity in our
ranks ...  newcomers are mostly no-coders and while many, many would
like to use the HF bands (and could make very capable operators without
need for CW skills ...  'cause they'd be using SSB, Clover, Pactor,
etc.).  However they find the code so distasteful and the attitudes (in
general) of the pro-code "establishment" so offensive that they don't
"jump through the hoop" and "upgrade."

>       I am 42, grey-haired, going bald and have been a ham for over
>twenty years, does this make me an old fart?

Hell no!  I'll be 46 in a month, and have also been a ham for over 20
years and I'm not an old fart either ... just opposed to code testing.

BTW ... one can actually have the opinon that the code is neat and fun
and still not be a "CW olde farte" ... it's only the rabid CW ops that
want to stagnate the ham community on their level, want to keep the
"riff-raff" off of "their" bands, make unidentified "'nother damned
no-coder" comments when a newcomer shows up on the repeater, and exhibit
similar narrow-minded, bigoted behavior that qualify as "CW olde fartz."

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Wittich)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 1,000,000 qsl cards thrown away per year
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 01:00:33 GMT
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>the bureau. I told him that I do not collect, or reply to, QSLs and that
>I did not have any envelopes with the bureau. He then said that as he had
>written it he would send it anyway!

>Perhaps the time has come to abandon certificates such as DXCC.


It is a sad state of affairs when people want to abandon one of the
hallmarks of the hobby.

Please, remember the enthusiasm with which you embraced your first
contacts, and think that I may be feeling that should we ever meet on
7111 khz or someplace close to that.

You see, those written confirmations mean much to me, as every single
contact there is a great deal of work for me.

Doug N3VEJ/127
Baltimore MD USA



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Timothy W. Shire)
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Subject: Re: New Web Site up and running
Date: 3 Sep 1996 03:19:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Dung Beetle
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Zero wrote:
> >
> > I welcome all to visit my web site
> >
> > http://www.cwave.com/users/srcrawford
> >
> > --
> > Stuart R. Crawford
> > Calgary, Alberta
>
>
>
> Big Fu*kin* Deal.
> Next time list your lame page with a search engine. No need to clutter
> up some newsgroups announcing your lame page.

I rather like to hear about a new page and like to visit it, as for dung
beetles well I think they speak for themselves.

I do however object to this cross posting thing.

But not too strongly.

Sincerely

Timothy W. Shire

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           Box 1776, Tisdale, Saskatchewan, Canada, S0E 1T0
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From: [e-mail] (Paul J. Piercey)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: I.P.A.R. Info (CANADA)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 03:30:57 GMT
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In article <50eria$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David M Schert
zer) wrote:
>I'm located near Victoria, BC and need info concerning the IPAR net?
>Repeater freqs, cost, who can I write too..etc ect...I hear it's link to Nfld
!
>Lot of friends on the East cost ....Thanks dave..
>Plse email direct w/ info...
>
>BTW- Yes, I'm in the USA (Canadian Navy) 2hr from the boarder.
>
>Oak Harbor, WA   USA
>Ham Radio - VE7-LFA/W7
>[e-mail]
>

Write to:

IPARN
PO Box 3156
Langley, BC
V3A 4R5

or email to:

[e-mail]


==================================================
Paul J. Piercey VO1HE

Work stuff....

     Agent - The Mutual Group

     Licenced with:
     Mutual Life of Canada
     Mutual Investco Inc.

     16 Forest Rd.
     St. John's, NF Canada
     A1C 2B9

     Phone:[phone]
     FAX  :[phone]
     Net  :[e-mail]

Personal stuff...

     President - Society of Newfoundland Radio Amateurs
     Member    - Royal Astronomical Society of Canada

     VO1HE@VO1AAA.#ENF.NF.CAN.NA


"Be careful of the toes you step on today...
            They may be attached to the ass
                       you have to kiss tomorrow."
==================================================


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From: [e-mail] (Hank Riley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.space
Subject: Indiana repeater/ATV/Packet APRS Balloon Launch
Date: 3 Sep 1996 04:16:03 GMT
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         CENTRAL INDIANA REPEATER/ATV/GPS PACKET BALLOON LAUNCH


     Region:            Central Indiana

     Date/Time:         Saturday, September 7 / 7:00-8:00 AM EDT,
                        11:00-12:00 UTC

     Location:          Greentown, Indiana (8 miles east
                        of Kokomo)

     Other states where
     the signals will
     reach easily:      Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, Kentucky

     Site Coordinates:  approximate for initial antenna heading;
                        (not for navigating to launch site)
                        40' 29" North Lat.
                        85' 58" West Long.

     ATV:               439.25 MHz AM NTSC from live camera

     VHF/UHF Repeater:  Input - 144.30 MHz FM
                        Dual Output - 444.85 MHz FM
                                    - 52.525 MHz FM

     Telemetry:         446.00 MHz FM AX.25 1200 baud packet
                        GPS/APRS position data

     HF Net:            3.869 - 3.871 Mhz SSB

     Local repeater
     talk-in:           probably 146.91 or 147.24

-----------------------------------------------------------
launch data courtesy of Malcolm Mallette, WA9BVS
[e-mail]


Please email me news of upcoming balloon launches and post-flight
reports for distribution on the Net.

Hank Riley, N1LTV
[e-mail]


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"Stuart R. Crawford" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I welcome all to visit my web site
>
>http://www.cwave.com/users/srcrawford
>
>
>--
>Stuart R. Crawford
>Calgary, Alberta
>
>Congratulations Stuart, Please accept an invitation to our new site,
http://worldinternetclub.com.au
Terry O'Neill
Gold Coast. Queensland Australia




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Questions about WARC bands
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 07:41:17 GMT
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[e-mail] (Todd Little) wrote:

>I can believe that based upon your apparent short attention span.
>Must explain why  you thrive on DX CW contacts.  After all, how long
>can it take to send XXXX ur 5NN, TU 73 DE KH2D?   Weren't you just
>boasting about working 5 contacts per minute instead of 5 words
>per minute?  I guess if something takes more than 12 seconds to
>get through, you must blow it off to keep your rate up.

Quote things when you want to complain about them.  That way no
one will wonder what you're  complaining about, and nobody will
have to keep retyping it so you can read it again.  No, I wasn't
boasting about anything.  I said the DX sticks to the bottom 25kc's
of the band because most DX stations want to work 5 stations
a minute, not five words a minute.  Obviously, you never worked me
on CW, leave out the 'ur' and the ',' and the '73' and the 'DE' and
then you'll be close.  Hundreds of stations I have worked would
much rather have a QSL card from me for thier DXCC than they
would have an 'interesting QSO' with me.  They don't care what my
name is, or what kind of job I have, or where my wife is from, or
what kind of antenna I have.  They want a QSL card.  Period. When
a hundred or two hundred stations are calling you at the same time,
you work as many as you can as fast as you can.  When only one
station is calling, you talk to him for 10 minutes, or an hour if you have
something to talk about. Lots of stations I work ask for QSL info
before they tell me their name or give me a signal report.  If that
bothers you Todd, sorry.  But it's not going to change, because it's
a part of the hobby that many people enjoy.

It amazes me how far off topic we can get when we move from the
discussion to the personal insult mode.  We started out debating
if the CW test should be retained as a part of the testing, and now
we are in the 'knock DX' mode.  I know what you do for fun on
internet, and but I don't know what you do on the radio, and I have
better things to do than a) worry about what it is you do or don't
do or b) knock what you do or don't do.

You don't like CW. Fine. Don't use it.  You don't like DX. Fine. Don't
get on HF and work any.  There are a lot of aspects of ham radio that
I think are totally rediculous and a waste of time.  Like FM repeaters,
Packet, and traffic nets.   But if you want to do them, be my guest. If you
enjoy doing them, it's not my job to knock them. Some hams love contests.
Some hams hate contests. Thats the good thing about the hobby,
we all don't have to be interested in the same thing.  The only 'common
interests' we all must have are the abilities to pass the required tests for t
he
class of license that we want.  After that, we can all go our separate ways.

Hafa Adai,
Jim KH2D




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Why, after I've said it about eighty times, can't you folks get it
>through your heads: I KNOW THE CODE, I PASSED A CW TEST!!!

>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]

May I ask, without getting your blood pressure up, WHICH code test
did you pass, and at what speed do you feel you are comfortable ?

Hafa Adai,
Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 07:41:32 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>And if we're so dependent on "rice boxes" that we'll have nothing to
>operate without them and shrivel up an blow away, we're not fulfilling a
>major part of the "purpose" set out in the Rules as justification for
>our existence ... you keep forgetting (or conveniently ignoring) that
>"purpose" part ...

All part of the problem with the new breed, Carl.  You've been a ham
for 20 years, right ?  When you got started, how many companies were
advertising 10 METER DIPOLES for sale in QST ?  When you hooked
up your first TNC, did you BUY a READY MADE cable to go to your
radio ?  I doubt it. At least I sure hope not.

The 'new breed' may be more computer literate, but they sure appear to
be more soldering iron lame, if they have to BUY dipoles and TNC cables.

You best hope Icom and Kenwood and Yayhoo don't go away, because
I doubt too many nocode tech's will be building HT's from scratch.

Hafa Adai,
Jim KH2D






From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:34 1996
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From: Peter Paluzzi <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FT-101E loading instructions ?
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If you contact YAESU, the will sell you the complete technical manual
with info on all of the FT-101 line.  It is well worth it.  If you have
access to a WWW browser, point it at:

http://www.yaesu.com

and drill down to the world wide addresses and phone numbers.

The procedure is to is to tune the preselector at reduced current (.1 a
or less) for a null and then advance to full operating current
(approximately 280 ma) to tune the loading which is usually set to 3-5
depending upon the band setting.  At this current you twiddle the
loading, preselector and drive to get the best null at the target
current.  I haven't tuned up mine in a while so I doing this largely
from recollection.  Caveat emptor!  Get the manual.  By the way, keep
the time the transmitter is continuously on to 10 sec. or less until you
are satisfied with the tuning--this will save your finals!

Pete Paluzzi
N6YEO


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:35 1996
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From: [e-mail](Anthony Severdia)
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Subject: Re: Changes to rec.radio.* heirarchy?
Date: 3 Sep 1996 08:41:00 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lee Reynolds)
writes:
>
> Just a suggestion.....
>
>
> Things have been getting worse and worse across the groups with
>spammers, hate wars and that kind of thing. (Once my mail's filtered,
I
>usually find anywhere between 40 to 65% of any rec.radio.* group's
>traffic has gone into the round file)
>
>
> Anyone else out there interested in -
>
> A) Changing the herirarchy to a moderated one with clear rules of
>    conduct
>
> B) Maybe joining the growing movement to forbid cross-posting,
period.
>
> C) Adding a few (unmoderated as exception) groups to take make sure
that
>    those who need a forum still have one? I have in mind something
like -
>
>    rec.radio.policy.cw
>
>    rec.radio.flame
>
>    - so that those of us who want to argue code versus no code and
>those who want to fight have somewhere to do it.
>
> I'd like to see this happen, I'm even willing to put some of my
limited
>recreation time into it (unless there's someone out there with a LOT
of
>time on his hands?) - anyone else have suggestions or ideas? Post to
the
>group but please, followup with direct email to me, also. If there are
>enough of us, perhaps we can get a CFV started.
>
>            Thanks.
>
>
>                     Lee  <[e-mail]>
>

    Lee:

    You give no call but do you any other credibility to call for such
action?

    Don't, get me wrong, please.  You do have many good ideas.  I don't
think "moderated" is the way to go.  This would impose a helluva time
consuming obligation on someone, unless you choose to volunteer. <g>

    The recent problems have mainly to do with never ending barbs
against the ARRL, and the _never_ ending arguments of code-no-code.
The latter has no answer EXCEPT to cave-in to those who insist NO
qualifications should be necessary to blabber wherever on the air
waves, to satisfy so-called "my rights".  And their own pscyche.

    The better answer may be to establish a new sub-group such as
"rec.radio.amateur.politics".  This would be an appropriate place to
BLABBER whatever one's feelings of AR.

    There are many degrees of "amateurs".  Let the _lazy_ ones,
malcontents and others get it ejaculated!

    (Awaiting the flames from those identified)   73

    -=Tony=-    W6ANV



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From: John Nelson <[e-mail]>
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> >>CW is alive, well, and thriving.  In fact, the demand for QRP CW
> >>transceivers alone has almost single handedly revived the kit industry.
> >>Just open your eyes and ears and it'll become apparent.

Let's look at the big picture (reality). The ONLY place where CW is used at
all anymore is the ARS. That's it. I don't call that thriving. I call that
hanging on by its fingernails.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:37 1996
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From: Hank Oredson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 09:59:26 -0800
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Gary Coffman wrote:

> Paradoxically, however, amateurs were generally older at time of
> death than the age of the general population of Washington State
> at time of death. So while more may die of certain cancers, it
> *appears* that they do so at a more advanced age. That could be
> a mere statisical anomaly due to the fact that amateurs are on
> average older than the general population anyway (the demographic
> fact that some of us have been pointing to with alarm for some time
> now, IE the greying of amateur radio, may play an unrelated role
> here). The general population has deaths included of people of
> a much younger age than there are amateurs, IE infant and child
> mortality is included in Milham's general population, but no infants
> and few children are likely to be amateurs. This could skew the age
> curves to make it *appear* that amateurs die at a more advanced
> age.


Sounds like they didn't control for age of onset.
Major flaw.
"Everyone" will die of cancer if they don't die of something else first.

So it sounds like another result of this survey could be:  Hams, who
are often exposed to RF, tend to live longer than the general population.
This interesting effect might well be caused by their RF exposure.

I've looked at many studies of low level exposure to potential disease
causes (2nd hand smoke, E fields, H fields, aromatic ring compounds,
asbestos, allergens) and found that most of them have serious flaws.
Doing the controls and the statistics for these studies is VERY tough.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
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Subject: Re: Yaseu FT 470 Problems
Date: 3 SEP 96 10:57:53
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In article <[e-mail]>, Scott Johnston <Johnstos@gune
t.georgetown.edu> writes...
>I have an ngoing problem with the tuning knob to change channels. When
>turned the channels may go up (1,2,3,4) but usually start skipping
>around (1,3,7,5,4,5,6,7,3,2,1). I understand that this is a typical
>problem with this handheld. Anyone have any inexpensive solutions? Will

It's typical of all Yaesus.
We have an FT2400 that does it. A friend (with yet a different Yaesu radio)
came up with a kludgey fix that did work... break one of the sensors, so that
the knob only works in one direction.
My solution is simpler. Keep spinning the knob until it randomly lands on the
channel you want. Yaesu = junk, IMO.

==============================================================================
Tom Randolph  N1OOQ  NE-QRP 419  QRP-L 87  ARRL     [e-mail]
==============================================================================


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi)
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Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
Date: 03 Sep 1996 11:28:18 GMT
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In article <50facd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

   Jari,

   Please satisfy my curiosity ... what's the code requirement in Finland?

   Do you consider your national organization to be truly representative of
   the views and interests of a majority of Finnish hams?

   Do you have a reactionary "You're not a REAL ham if you don't love CW"
   faction in Finland?


Well, we have four operator classes which are a bit different from
yours. Novice class operator takes CW test on 40 characters per
minute. The characters are sent randomly in five character
groups. General class operator takes CW test on 60 characters per
minute. In Finland, general class happens to be the highest one. We do
not have any advanced or extra class at all. Techican class operators
do not take any CW test at all. They can not operate on HF but they
have full priviledges above 30 MHz. Then there is the last class with
the least priviledges, the communications class (or how should I
translate that one). They do not take any CW and they are restricted
to operating 70 cm only.

As far as I have understood, the administrative trend in Europe is to
have less operator classes in the future, rather than more.

I believe that our national ham organization (SRAL) does indeed
represent pretty well the views of the majority of Finnish
hams. Something like 90 percent of all hams belong to SRAL and the
board has quite often arranged polls to inquire about the feelings of
the members. A few years ago a fiew unsatisfied hams tried to
establish a new national organization, but that died quickly due to
general lack of interest.

And finally, yes indeed. We also have our share of "You're not a real
ham if you don't do cw" feelings.



--
Jari Jokiniemi, [e-mail], OH2MPO, OH3BU
Tekla Oy, Koronakatu 1, 02210 Espoo, 90-8879 474


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:31:17 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary
Coffman) writes:

>>I would like to offer my apoligies to Rob and Dana for not entering into a n
ew
>>field with the absolutly best equipment money can buy on the planet.
>>
>>If that is their definition of "ignorance"...I am guilty.

>I'd suggest ignorance is recomending using an unsuitable $500 radio
>to do the job of a $100 data radio.

And I apoligize to you, for not knowing as much on the subject as you do.

> It's cheaper to do it right than
>it is to do it wrong, and you'll cause less harm to other users of
>the LAN in the process.

Im not sure what you are reading into my post...the "best equipment money
can buy" for 9.6k packet, does not equat into the "most expensive"...please
read agin...that is not what I said.


I find it interesting that a fellow ham entering new territory, attempts to do

the best he can, with equipment advertised to do the job, is labled "ignorant"
by his peers.

>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:41 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Questions about CW test
Date: 3 Sep 1996 12:03:56 -0700
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My wife and I are no-code technicians. We have been practicing CW for
about a year and are nearly ready to take the 13 WPM test. I have a few
questions I'd like to ask.

(1) We've used tapes, PC programs, and practice code boxes. Generally
    speaking, they all use tones from about 700 to 900 Hz. Is that
    about what we can expect on the test?

(2) Computer program "Super Morse" has a practice test which consists
    of a one-sided QSO (only one operator sends code). The MFJ code
    practice box has QSOs in which two operators exchange information
    (frequently switching back and forth). Which are we more likely to
    encounter on the test, a one-sided or a two-sided QSO?

(3) I understand that the test consists of listening to a QSO and then
    answering ten questions about its contents. Is this test multiple
    choice, like the written tests?

(4) Does the test run for a set period of time (say, 10 minutes)?
    I guess what I am really asking is: Do the 5, 13, and 20 WPM tests
    run for the same length of time, or do they all contain similar
    QSOs and run for different periods of time?

(5) Is the QSO easy to hear? Can we adjust the volume?

If anyone has any insights, hints, or anectdotes about the CW test
I'd like very much to hear them.

Thanks.

- Gary       KB0QGE        [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ted Kell)
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Subject: Re: Single chip electronic keyer (Curtis)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 12:40:12 -0600
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You might not want to get your hopes up on this chip.  The word is that it
is nolonger in production.

Ted
In article <50hnou$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Robbert
J. van Herksen) wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I'm looking for persons who are subscribed to the German CQ-DL magazine
> (for hams).
> In the January 1995 edition of CQ-DL, there is an article about
> creating a full blown CW electronic keyer (bug) wth ONLY one (Curtis)
> chip.
> Title of the article is: "CW-lambic keyer mit einem Baustein"
>
> It would be great if someone could send me a photocopy of this article.
>
> My address:
>
> Robbert J. van Herksen
> Groenendaallaan 7
> 4002 AH  Tiel
> The Netherlands
>
> REALLY great it would be if someone could fax it to me.
> My fax number is: [phone]
>
> Maybe you are looking for some information yourself, I would be pleased
> to help you in return!
>
> Thanks a lot for your great help!!
>
> Robbert J. van Herksen (TA2IX / PA3BKL)
> please contact me via email: [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]-
state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:

>I find it interesting that a fellow ham entering new territory, attempts to d
o
>the best he can, with equipment advertised to do the job, is labled "ignorant
"
>by his peers.

You must have missed all the attempts that have been made on this newsgroup,
in packet radio bulletins, and in QST (5/95) to explain that the equipment
advertised as "9600 baud ready" actually isn't.

Also, it often seems that amateurs tend to believe such a claim in a
commercial advertisement, and tend to disbelieve claims from their fellow
amateurs who happen to have tried it and found it was not true.

This is unfortunate, and not only for their own wallet but also for the
efficiency of packet radio as we all use it.

When a reasonably well documented article like the one in QST fails
to hit the brains of the newcomers, we have a problem.  Plainly stating
"what Kenwood tells you is not true" is not going to make much impact,
and I doubt any amateur is interested in going through a legal case
against the radio manufacturers and distributors about making false
claims in their commercial advertisements.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:44 1996
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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>In <50a75s$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
writes:
>>Carl, why are you trying to bring the code debate over to .misc?
Please
>>keep it on .policy (one of the reasons for .policy's existance). Just
>>because you're a tech with no HF privileges is no reason to use .misc
>>as your platform for espousing the elimination of the code tests.
>>
>>Jeff KH2PZ
>
>
>Besides, I'm NOT a tech with no HF priveleges ... I passed a code test
>at the FCC office (5wpm) and the General written to get my tech.
>
>I've probably been licensed longer than you have (20+ years), so don't
>give me your "You're a lowly tech, I'm an Extra" crap!
>
>Carl -- wa6vse
>[e-mail]


Hi Carl,

You gotta laugh at these stereotypical fools.  They automatically assume
that anyone who is in favor of removing the CW requirement has just GOT
to be an uncouth, unworthy, lazy, etc., no-code Tech.

Are they unable to read a simple callbook/callsign server, or do they
just prefer to keep their heads in the sand and think this way because it
makes their own pro-code pleas sound more convincing to themselves?

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM
 (who HAS, believe it or not, passed the code test...but realizes that it
is an       outdated, unneccessary requirement, and should be done away
with in the     interest of preserving the amateur radio service as we
know it)



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jacques Hankin)
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[e-mail] (Jacques Hankin) wrote:

>It is the result of quasi-democratisation of an organisation, and is
>kept alive by the apathy or the

Sorry, this bit fell off the screen.
Ignore.
(Rest of message still stands!)
Jacques

Remember when sex was safe...
and rock climbing was dangerous?



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Pat Masterson)
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Subject: Ham mailing lists ?
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 I want to compile a list of Ham related reflectors and mailing
lists. I already have the DX and linux-ham ones. I need pointers
to VHF, contesting, CW, etc. If you know of any, please email
me their subscription info.
 If anybody would like to see what I come up with, let me know.
 -pat

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:50 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> > And if we're so dependent on "rice boxes" that we'll have nothing to
> operate without them and shrivel up an blow away, we're not fulfilling a
> major part of the "purpose" set out in the Rules as justification for
> our existence ... you keep forgetting (or conveniently ignoring) that
> "purpose" part ...
>
>
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Now you're beginning to get it Carl.

The majority of amateurs are not building their own gear today (a
readliy ascertainable fact from just looking around and listening on the
bands).  There is very little chance that this will change in the future
as the gear gets ever more complex. Do you need anyone to tell you why
its so hard to get parts to build anymore?  That's right, because the
overwhelming majority of hams don't really want to build their own gear.

It would follow then that without the manufacturers to supply new gear,
it's going to be pretty hard to grow amateur radio to the non-building
majority [you think its hard to sell cw to prospective licensees, tell
them they have to build their own gear before they can get on the air-
this isn't the 1930's, you know...)

And it doesn't matter whether its K-wood, Icom or whoever that's doing
the manufacturing.  [The arrogance of anyone who thinks he can "save"
ham radio if we'll only follow his prescription is whole other topic-
right along with whether we are meeting the mandate of Part 97 concernig
our role in advancing the art]

Once we reduce the difficulty of getting into ham radio- via lesser
tchnical exams or removal of the code, your choice- the increased number
of new hams that will show up won't want to wait around for a 21st
century Heahtkit to supply them with something to build before they can
get on the air.

Rather than focus on eliminating the cw requirement alone, why don't you
trot out the idea that the newcomers to the hobby all ought to build
their rigs before they are allowed to get on the air- bet that will make
you a real popular fellow.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
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Subject: Re: Code debate
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Cecil Moore ([e-mail]) writes:


 ====== snip ======
>
> Me too, but Morse code is certainly not new. Question is: Would you
> rather learn old things like how to build a vacuum tube by hand or
> new things like how to program a DSP engine?
>
> 73, Cecil, W6RCA, OOTC  (not speaking for my employer)

programming DSP engines?  Doesn't sound like ham either, Cecil.  Although
your point is understood.  CW and a simple xcvr is the basis of ham radio,
everything else is a development.  Think of it as a small history course.
5WPM is sufficient, anything faster as a requirement to band privileges
is, as you say, a step backwards.

--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:52 1996
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> >
> >Now if we could only find a gadget that could help you overcome your
> >code handicap...er challenge :)
>
> Why, after I've said it about eighty times, can't you folks get it
> through your heads: I KNOW THE CODE, I PASSED A CW TEST!!!
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Now, now Carl.  Passing the code test 20 years ago and "knowing" the
code are two different things.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Co
ffman) writes:
Hello Gary.

>Of *course* he's ignorant, Christopher. What else could he be when
>entering a new field? Everyone starting out in a new area starts out
>ignorant. But ignorance can be cured, and that's what Rob and Dana were
>trying to do for you, cure your ignorance and try to prevent you from
>passing it on to someone else who is ignorant.

The original question was "are there any rigs from the big commercial companie
s
that will work 9.6k packet?" (not a direct quote from the poster)

I answered that a (my) tm-451a "will work 9.6k packet", so the answer was, and

still is, yes. I also included the TXD in the post, as to show how efficent
that rig is.

Now here are some added points...

Does the 451a work on 9.6k packet...yes.

Did I answer the original question correctly...yes.

Are there better radios than the 451a for 9.6k packet...yes.

Is it true that a 250ms TXD does not utilize 9.6k packet effectively...yes.

Did I already know all those things...yes.

This whole thread was a forum for some who wish to pick apart my every post,
and move away from the original issue...which was the question that I answered
correctly.

Take care Gary.



 Ignorance doesn't equate
>to inability to learn. That's what the tag *stupidity* is reserved for.
>If, after you've had it explained to you in excruciating detail why your
>choice is faulty, you continue to defend the faulty choice, then *that*
>is stupidity. And alas that *is* incurable, so there's no use wasting
>any more effort trying.

>Gary
>--
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>Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp addres
ses
>534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:55 1996
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From: Jim Cummings <[e-mail]>
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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 16:15:20 -0700
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Michael P. Deignan wrote:
>
> In article <509vba$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> [erects a straw-man about a CW test for engineering in his company,
> and then knocks it down]
>
> >Just as the CW test is not relevant to my company's employment criteria,
> >it has become irrelevant as a requirement for a ham license.
>
> In some respects, you are correct. A CW test has become irrelevant in
> some aspects of amateur radio.
>
> So, 5 years ago we eliminated the CW test for access to 99% of all
> amateur spectrum. Spectrum which, I might add, is under constant
> threat of reallocation and is where new technical innovation in the
> amateur radio service will take place.
>
> On the other hand, CW still remains a valid, relevant portion of
> other parts of amateur radio. 48% of all amateurs with access to HF
> use CW. CW consistantly is a popular mode used by foreign DX stations.

Then testing is no longer needed in order to operate on the HF
frequencies.  Since it is so popular, amateurs should be flocking to it.
 Thus government coertion is no longer required.

But we all know the great and terrible secret about the abolition of
Morse code testing.  Once Morse code testing is abolished, it will have
to continue to survive on its own merits.  Since most newly licenced
amateurs will not bother, Morse code will become an interest of only a
few amateurs, like the use of Double Sideband Transmitted Carrier
Amplitude modulation.

> A goal of the amateur radio service is to promote international
> goodwill; thus a code examination helps ensure that people will be able
> to communicate with these foreign stations.

Again, Deignan applies a US policy objective incorrectly.  For one thing,
knowledge CW does not foster goodwill.  That is logically false because
it assumes that it unless the amateur knows Morse code, then the
international goodwill component of amateur communications is frustrated.
 In contradiction to that notion, international goodwill can be fostered
by any other mode in use by amateurs.  Moreover, we just have to observe
the shenanigans of some of the phone band operators and we can appreciate
the weakness of the argument that knowledge of CW fosters goodwill,
international or otherwise.

Another reason Deignan's notion is unnacceptable because it attempts to
overlay a domestic policy objective, i.e. fostering goodwill, in such a
manner that it is seemingly a mandatory requirement.  Moreover, it
further attempts to render a domestic requirement into a international
sphere.

> US amateurs are somewhat
> stuck up, and often forget that foreign hams are not always technically
> on par with the equipment that is available here.
>

Ain't it the truth.  They even have the gall to assume that what is a
desirable non-mandatory policy objective in the US and then try to apply
it as a international obligation.  I think the describing some US amateur
as being "stuck up" is being kind.


> MD
> --
> --
> --  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
> --
> --  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.

73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ


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>   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:

>  Remember, 220 was taken away from us BEFORE the no-code Tech license was
>  created.  My guess is that the unwillingness of YE OLDE FAHRTZ and their
>  cronies in the ARRL to support a no-code license had quite a bit to do
>  with this.
>
>  -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
>   KF4DDM


the taking of the 220 band was politically motivated and irregardless of
amateur intervention would have happened anyway


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight.  Yuck
Date: 3 Sep 1996 18:07:05 -0400
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In article <50hr6h$[e-mail]>,
        Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Uh huh.  A problem that just keeps getting worse.

Tell us Drew... how would you know? Did you buy a radio yet?


>the operators on 3.88Mhz are General Class or above.  That's right...
>they've all passed at least a 13WPM code test.
>
>So much for YE OLDE FAHRTZ argument of Morse being a "lid-filter" and
>that it "keeps the riff-raff out."


I don't hear too many problems in the Extra bands when I listen there,
so the CW "filter" must work. Maybe the 13WPM isn't high enough. I know,
let's call for the elimination of the 5 and 13WPM code speeds, and just
have a single, 20WPM code speed. Yeah, sounds good to me.

MD


--
--
--  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
--
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:46:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>Gary, they (the ARRL) have been advised of their omission in testing for
>time delays and so far they have not responded.  At the ARRL Digital
>Ccommunications Conference last year in Texas,  my DRSTM (Data Radio
>Standard Test Methods) project was presented as a paper.  Jon Bloom from
>the ARRL Labs was in the audience and during the discussion following
>the presentation stated that he thought that the tests reported in QST
>did include timing tests.  A few days later he contacted the presenter
>and confirmed that there had not been any such tests conducted.  They
>expressed good interest in the DRSTM project.  A complete copy of the
>final proposed test procedure document was forwarded to them in Jan of
>this year.  So far no comments or even acknowledgement of receipt has
>been forthcoming.  A follow up message has also not elicited any
>response.  It makes one think that they are not really interested.

Well, I was leafing through the May QST in the "reading room"
a while ago and noticed that they *were* including T/R time
measurements in their radio reviews (the 2m HT "shootout").
Looks like they may have been paying attention after all. No
BER numbers in this article though, but I suppose they assumed
we wouldn't try to use a 2m HT for 9600 baud. (I wouldn't.)

Gary
--
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Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
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Michael Neidich <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Need a schematic/parts list to build a receiving antenna
>tuner/preselector 10-25 MHz, mostly to reject interfering out of band
>signals.  Point me in the right direction if there is a good commercial
>unit, please.
>Mike
MFJ-956 is $39.99.  One year unconditional money back warranty.  Comes
with a schematic.  By the time you add up the cost of the box, the
knobs, the switch, the fixed inductors, the variable capacitor, and
the 2 ea. SO-239 connectors, you may decide to keep it.
dr
Dave Rickmers            I'd wake up and
[e-mail]   there'd be nothing...



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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
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Subject: Re: Burt talks to God.
Date: 3 Sep 1996 18:26:53 GMT
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>
>
>> I fail to see how teaching her A/V skills "changed her life", unless you
>> taught her how to use her VCR.
>
> She is a videographer and on air talent. She recently did an interview
> at the ABC affilate in Boston. Being a Barbra Walters or Diane Sawyer,
> that
> is nothing compared to being a GLORIOUS HAM RADIO OPERATOR, right?
>
>
>
>> Why don't you teach a more worthwhile subject that would benefit society?
>
> I did (ham radio) but no one was interested.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY MAKE YOU BELIEVE THAT ANYONE HERE ON THIS USEGROUP
IS INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT HAMS?


>
>
>
> --
> #================#==================================================#
> |  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics  |
> | Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)             |
> |    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember |
> #================#==================================================#
> |                            [e-mail]                       |
> #===================================================================#
>
> http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/qrz_gifs?k1oik.gif


--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:01 1996
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From: Geoff Brown <[e-mail]>
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I am surprised at your comments about the RSGB, however, I see that you
haven't been licensed very long so you will not have seen all the past
work the RSGB has done.
Over the 25 years that I have been a member I must say that things have
changed (for the better).
A great deal of work has been put in to extending many of the licensing
regulations.
I think if you had have been round many years ago that you would
understand what I mean.
BTW. I don't mean the RSGB is squeaky clean, they may well have to revise
certain things in the future to maintain membership.
Geoff GJ4ICD



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:02 1996
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From: Lawrence <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 1,000,000 qsl cards thrown away per year
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Doug Wittich wrote:
>
> >the bureau. I told him that I do not collect, or reply to, QSLs and that
> >I did not have any envelopes with the bureau. He then said that as he had
> >written it he would send it anyway!
>
> >Perhaps the time has come to abandon certificates such as DXCC.
>
> It is a sad state of affairs when people want to abandon one of the
> hallmarks of the hobby.

Everyone has different definitions of the hallmarks. Some say QSLs,
some say CW, some say experimentation which is my interest. If you
assume that everyone must share your particular enthusiasm then you
will be dissapointed.

> Please, remember the enthusiasm with which you embraced your first
> contacts, and think that I may be feeling that should we ever meet on
> 7111 khz or someplace close to that.

My first QSOs were on 432 MHz AM back in 1962 with homebrew gear. Every
QSO seemed a great achievement then. Unfortuneately you will not find me
on 7.111 MHz as, in Europe, we only have 7.0 to 7.1 MHz although it did
go up to 7.15 MHz in my SWL days. If you use SSB on 18 MHz then you
should find me there when conditions improve.

> You see, those written confirmations mean much to me, as every single
> contact there is a great deal of work for me.
>
> Doug N3VEJ/127
> Baltimore MD USA

73, Lawrence GJ3RAX


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:03 1996
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From: KD1YV <[e-mail]>
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Subject: W. CT Hamfest close to NYS, 15-Sep, Newtown CT
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Sponsored by the Candlewood Amateur Radio Association

Just 14 miles from the NY/CT State line!

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Edmond Town Hall                 Route 6, Newtown, CT
Tables inside                      Tailgating outside
ARRL Sanctioned                    Handicapped Access
Door Prizes                             Ample Parking
Gourmet Fare                            Rain or shine

Talk-in 147.12/.72 PL 141.3

General admission $4.00 at the door (what a deal!)

Tailgating $6.00, inside table reservations $10.00 each, (both
include 1 admission), mail to:
Candlewood Amateur Radio Association, PO BOX 3441, Danbury CT 06813

For more info, phone [phone] or [phone].

Hope to see you all there.
73 de KD1YV
Jim


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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Date: 3 Sep 1996 20:17:46 GMT
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Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Karl wrote:
>>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:

>>>Carl, why are you trying to bring the code debate over to .misc?
>>Please
>>>keep it on .policy (one of the reasons for .policy's existance). Just
>>>because you're a tech with no HF privileges is no reason to use .misc
>>>as your platform for espousing the elimination of the code tests.

>>Besides, I'm NOT a tech with no HF priveleges ... I passed a code test
>>at the FCC office (5wpm) and the General written to get my tech.
>>I've probably been licensed longer than you have (20+ years), so don't
>>give me your "You're a lowly tech, I'm an Extra" crap!

I've been licensed for 20.5 years. And I'm a General.

>You gotta laugh at these stereotypical fools.  They automatically assume
>that anyone who is in favor of removing the CW requirement has just GOT
>to be an uncouth, unworthy, lazy, etc., no-code Tech.
>Are they unable to read a simple callbook/callsign server, or do they
>just prefer to keep their heads in the sand and think this way because it
>makes their own pro-code pleas sound more convincing to themselves?

Hi Spew,
I did check callsign.uarl.edu and Karl is listed as a Tech. It didn't
say Tech Plus. Just Tech.

KH2PZ


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: IARU/FCC QSO Regulations ( was: Who Do You Hear on HF? )
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 20:39:04 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>In Drew's defense, I don't think he intended to say that folks can't
>talk about what they want if it's not of interest to him or others, but

Now that just what Spew needs. A daddy. Somebody that can
explain what he said.  Gee, Carl, now if you could only teach him
to read, then maybe HE would understand what he said, after
you explain it to him.

I think somewhere else you wrote:

"My point in <509rro$[e-mail]> was that it's most frequently the "keep
the code folks" who START the personal attacks."

I guess you forgot about your little boy, Spew, huh ?

Hafa Adai,
Jim KH2D





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From: "Joe Camel" <joe@megahard>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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> Besides, I'm NOT a tech with no HF priveleges ... I passed a code test
> at the FCC office (5wpm) and the General written to get my tech.
> I've probably been licensed longer than you have (20+ years), so don't
> give me your "You're a lowly tech, I'm an Extra" crap!
> Carl -- wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Carl is turning 46 this fall.  His current tech license was issued last
May.
This is public information available from the QRZ Call Book.

Perhaps he's been renewing his tech license for 20+ years...

5WPM code and a General written (that is some 30 multiple choice,
Mickey Mouse questions, and you can miss 8, even though the entire
question pool is fixed and available) ...
Has anyone ever flunked that test?

Joseph Average Camel




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My URL has changed. please bookmark it and THANKS for the
GREAT response so far !!!

Amateur Radio -- Civil War -- Kayaking -- Nascar
Blue Ridge River Runners
Central Virginia Contest Club

http://luna.moonstar.com/~wa4pgm/
[e-mail]

Tks 73,
Kyle



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:09 1996
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From: MADJID <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Single chip electronic keyer (Curtis)
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 23:25:09 -0400
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To: "Robbert J. van Herksen" <[e-mail]>

Curtis chip can be purchased at Mouser Electronics
        http://www.mouser.com ($19.95)
also Kit sold by NorCal QRP Association:
        http://www.fix.net/~jparker/kits.html

Schematics of the Curtis Keyer can be found in old versions
of the ARRL Handbook.

You've got two versions of the chip one is 16pins (8044),
the other one 20 pins (8044ABM). If I am right the ABM version
allows you to have a speedo-meter and mysterious iambic mode B
which is supposed to send a dot after a dash and a dash after
a dot (So how do you send a final dot or dash ..--..)
--
Madjid, VE2GMI
Antenna simulation program NEC4WIN :
http://www.coast.net/SimTel/SimTel/win3/hamradio/nec4w15.zip


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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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>   "Joe Camel" <joe@megahard> writes:
>  > Besides, I'm NOT a tech with no HF priveleges ... I passed a code test
>  > at the FCC office (5wpm) and the General written to get my tech.
>  > I've probably been licensed longer than you have (20+ years), so don't
>  > give me your "You're a lowly tech, I'm an Extra" crap!
>  > Carl -- wa6vse
>  > [e-mail]
>
>  Carl is turning 46 this fall.  His current tech license was issued last
>  May.
>  This is public information available from the QRZ Call Book.
>
>  Perhaps he's been renewing his tech license for 20+ years...
>
>  5WPM code and a General written (that is some 30 multiple choice,
>  Mickey Mouse questions, and you can miss 8, even though the entire
>  question pool is fixed and available) ...
>  Has anyone ever flunked that test?
>
>  Joseph Average Camel
In Carl's defense, I have a friend who was a Tech with code for 37 years.

of course, a bunch of us decided to upgrade (poor dx conditions), he
practiced 15 minutes a day right along with us

he passed 20 wpm perfect copy

i passed 13wpm  2 mistakes

some people are quite content to aspire to nothingness, to be satisfied
with sameness (status quo) and Carl has that right

However, when he and his, to use a phrase, Ilk, decide that since we've
done nothing to deserve it, therefore we must be handed it on a platter
I must protest.

Sure the code is antiquated, so is parallel parking, math without a calculator
spelling without a spell checker yada yada yada

BUT, it still required and to piss and moan about this and that yet never do a

darned thing..that gripes my cookies

The old phartz this, the ARRL that... ENUF  boring boring boring

Remember this..if the US decides to go nocode HF, you still have the rest of
the ITU to contend with.  I have yet to see, other than the NEW Zealand
proposal, ANY ITU country propose the removal of the code requirement

Unfortunately, the committee doesn't meet for another 3 years.  3 years of yam
mering
about how we're gonna lose spectrum...not HF mind you, but then again, I rarel
y
use VHF/UHF, too crowded, way to many potty mouths, jammers, radio players

You'all stay on 2meters.  Leave the HF to the people who have earned the privi
ledge

All for me.  Flames responded in the Republican manner...In otherwords, ignore
d

steve


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Hi all,
I am looking for listserver of this newsgroup, please email direct
to [e-mail]

Thanks 73 de IK1VCF


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:12 1996
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In <01bb99e0$1a4564a0$[e-mail]>, "Joe Camel" <joe@megahard> wr
ites:
>> Besides, I'm NOT a tech with no HF priveleges ... I passed a code test
>> at the FCC office (5wpm) and the General written to get my tech.
>> I've probably been licensed longer than you have (20+ years), so don't
>> give me your "You're a lowly tech, I'm an Extra" crap!
>> Carl -- wa6vse
>> [e-mail]
>
>Carl is turning 46 this fall.  His current tech license was issued last
>May.

License was MODIFIED (change of address) last May ... I've been licensed
continuously since 1975.

I also hold a commercial license.  While the current piece of paper is
nominally worthless (since they re-issued all commercial licenses as
"General" a few years back) it was once a "real" commercial license.

Professionally, I've been in the mobile radio and satellite
communications industry for just over 25 years, as a design engineer,
and hold a couple of patents.

So go smoke that, "Joe Camel" ...

BTW ... what's YOUR callsign???

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]






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In <50gr8e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehler
) writes:
>May I ask, without getting your blood pressure up, WHICH code test
>did you pass, and at what speed do you feel you are comfortable ?
>
>Hafa Adai,
>Jim KH2D
>
As I've stated NUMEROUS times here, I'm a "with-code" tech ... 5wpm
code, and the (old, fuller) General theory test. (at the FCC office)

Carl - wa6vse
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In <50gr8o$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehler
) writes:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>>And if we're so dependent on "rice boxes" that we'll have nothing to
>>operate without them and shrivel up an blow away, we're not fulfilling a
>>major part of the "purpose" set out in the Rules as justification for
>>our existence ... you keep forgetting (or conveniently ignoring) that
>>"purpose" part ...
>
>All part of the problem with the new breed, Carl.  You've been a ham
>for 20 years, right ?  When you got started, how many companies were
>advertising 10 METER DIPOLES for sale in QST ?  When you hooked
>up your first TNC, did you BUY a READY MADE cable to go to your
>radio ?  I doubt it. At least I sure hope not.
>

Of course not ... there weren't any when I first got involved in packet
.. ever see a "Vancouver" board???

>The 'new breed' may be more computer literate, but they sure appear to
>be more soldering iron lame, if they have to BUY dipoles and TNC cables.
>

The fact that some idiot is advertising something stupid in QST does not
prove that everyone entering ham radio these days is a bumbling,
incompetent appliance operator.  Most of the folks I'm talking about are
damned good at the bench ...  'course, if you saw their work, you'd
probably have a hard time reading the part values on the 0402 or 0603
(the BIG ones) resistors ... I know I do ... my eyes are getting
challenged by the smaller surface-mount parts ... I need one of those
circular flourescent light/magnifier combos myself ...

Besides, in some instances, it's cheaper to buy a ready-made cable than
to buy 6 ft. of wire and two connectors ... I can't see any reason to
fault someone who takes aadvantage of economics in a case like that ...


>You best hope Icom and Kenwood and Yayhoo don't go away, because
>I doubt too many nocode tech's will be building HT's from scratch.
>

I believe that in the next few years, you'll see some significant
domestic challenges to the "rice boxes" ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi) writes:
>Well, we have four operator classes which are a bit different from
>yours. Novice class operator takes CW test on 40 characters per
>minute. The characters are sent randomly in five character
>groups. General class operator takes CW test on 60 characters per
>minute. In Finland, general class happens to be the highest one. We do
>not have any advanced or extra class at all. Techican class operators
>do not take any CW test at all. They can not operate on HF but they
>have full priviledges above 30 MHz. Then there is the last class with
>the least priviledges, the communications class (or how should I
>translate that one). They do not take any CW and they are restricted
>to operating 70 cm only.
>
>As far as I have understood, the administrative trend in Europe is to
>have less operator classes in the future, rather than more.
>
>I believe that our national ham organization (SRAL) does indeed
>represent pretty well the views of the majority of Finnish
>hams. Something like 90 percent of all hams belong to SRAL and the
>board has quite often arranged polls to inquire about the feelings of
>the members. A few years ago a fiew unsatisfied hams tried to
>establish a new national organization, but that died quickly due to
>general lack of interest.
>
>And finally, yes indeed. We also have our share of "You're not a real
>ham if you don't do cw" feelings.
>
>--
>Jari Jokiniemi, [e-mail], OH2MPO, OH3BU
>Tekla Oy, Koronakatu 1, 02210 Espoo, 90-8879 474

Jari,

Thanks very much for the information ...

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: IARU/FCC QSO Regulations ( was: Who Do You Hear on HF? )
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[e-mail] (charles copeland) wrote:


>Carl and Drew have valids points. That makes three against you Jim.
>Drew has passed the tech plus code test, I've passed the general code
>test. We are the new generation of HAMS, less than 50 years old, who
>firmly believe the code requirement is ludicrious in 1996.

>KB0WOB Charles in Denver

>PS - Jim, Drew MUST have a radio of some kind in order to have
>made his observations of the HF bands. They are generally correct.

Congratualtions on passing the code test.  We aren't keeping track of
who's against who, nor are there any age limits in ham radio.  You have
no idea what I firmly believe about the code requirement.  Carl does,
on occasion, have a valid point. The only point Spew has is the one on
the top of his head.  We are all under 50, which proves nothing.

Spew just parrots what he reads on here.  He doesn't have a radio.
If you think Drew's evaluations of HF are correct, then you need to do
a bit of dial spinning on your radio.  And you need to remember that
the 'wonderful world of ham radio' consists of a few other places than
the United States.

If you are firm enuff in your beliefs that the code requirements are
'ludicrious' (whatever that means) then I suggest you petition the
FCC to change the requirements.

73, Jim KH2D




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Subject: Re: Changes to rec.radio.* heirarchy?
Date: 4 Sep 1996 03:31:46 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Lee Reynolds) writes
:
> Just a suggestion.....
>
> A) Changing the herirarchy to a moderated one with clear rules of
>    conduct
> C) Adding a few (unmoderated as exception) groups to take make sure that
>    those who need a forum still have one? I have in mind something like -
>
>    rec.radio.policy.cw
>
>    rec.radio.flame
>
>    - so that those of us who want to argue code versus no code and
>those who want to fight have somewhere to do it.
>

Lee ...  why are some people and assorted "thought-police" (who
apparently "kill-file" what they don't want to read anyway) so hot to
censor the rec.radio.* newsgroups to bury the no-code issue as deeply as
possible???

I would bet that some newsservers don't carry all of the rec.radio.*
hierarchy ...  I know my old ISP in Florida didn't ... .misc seems to be
carried widely.

I don't see a lot of code/no-code in .digital, .homebrew, .space,
or .equipment  ... what' so wrong with the discussion in .misc
where it gets a wider audience and participation? (or is that precicely
what you don't want?) Could you explain this?

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 03:33:58 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) writ
es:

>>I find it interesting that a fellow ham entering new territory, attempts to
do
>>the best he can, with equipment advertised to do the job, is labled "ignoran
t"
>>by his peers.

>You must have missed all the attempts that have been made on this newsgroup,
>in packet radio bulletins, and in QST (5/95) to explain that the equipment
>advertised as "9600 baud ready" actually isn't.

The 451a IS "9600 baud ready"...but it just doesnt do the job as well as some
other rigs.

>Also, it often seems that amateurs tend to believe such a claim in a
>commercial advertisement, and tend to disbelieve claims from their fellow
>amateurs who happen to have tried it and found it was not true.

I have never experienced this.

>This is unfortunate, and not only for their own wallet but also for the
>efficiency of packet radio as we all use it.

Actually, the money can be considered well spent by some.

One can spend $400 on a radio that can do voice, 1.2k packet, and 9.6k
packet...on ANY frequency of his choice, verses a $150 rock bound rig that
can only do one thing, on one frequency.

It really depends on the person, and how they intend to use their equipment.

>When a reasonably well documented article like the one in QST fails
>to hit the brains of the newcomers, we have a problem.

Are you slamming hams who dont get, or read QST magazine? Are you
saying that it should be some sort of requirement to read QST?

>Plainly stating
>"what Kenwood tells you is not true" is not going to make much impact,
>and I doubt any amateur is interested in going through a legal case
>against the radio manufacturers and distributors about making false
>claims in their commercial advertisements.

Very true. I cant afford such legal fees, however, if I ever bought equipment
that didnt do what the manufacturer claims, and they didnt make it right, not
only would I never buy anything from them again, I would spread the word on
them as well.

Take care.




Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Lowman) writes:
>Definitely not.  Every time the S/N goes down in any group, the first thing
>someone comes up with is moderation.  We don't have moderators on the ham
>bands; why have them here?  What's so hard about just ignoring what you
>aren't interested in?
>
>Moderation may solve the problem at hand, but it introduces new
problems,
>and creates many more hard feelings.  Who's crazy enough to want to be the
>moderator?  And what happens if the moderator doesn't work out?  It's nearly
>impossible to unseat a moderator.

Jim ... you're right ... they can kill-file it, or simply skip past the
header without reading the post ...

I think many of the complainers simply want to squelch the debate by
burying it in a sub-sub group.


>We already have such a forum.  Code/no-code debates belong in *.policy.
>

policy is not carried as widely as .misc from my experience ... (my old
ISP didn't carry it), and I've heard by e-mail from many others that
they don't get .policy either ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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Subject: Re: Code Vs No-Code. End The Cry!!!
Date: 4 Sep 1996 03:53:09 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, AC6V <[e-mail]> writes:
This truth can be found
>For that treasured upgrade
>To this you are bound
>As of  this moment
>All that is around
>Is CW -- the only game
>In the whole damn town
>CW vs No-CW -- End the cry!!!!
>
>73 From AC6V
>--
>Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
>What King of old could do thus??

If the King doesn't want to read the code/no-code debate the King should
ask his 10-16 year old child (or neighbor kid) "How do I set up a
'kill-file'??

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:26 1996
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Subject: Re: It's a sad state of affairs (was: 1,000,000 qsl cards thrown away per year)
Date: 4 Sep 1996 04:06:11 GMT
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In <50il4b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehler
) writes:
>
>Carl, you must be a natural born killer.
>
>First it's Kill-the-Code.
>Next it's Kill-the-ARRL.
>Then it's Kill-the-DX.
>Now it's Kill-the-QSL.
>
>Sounds like somebody needs a different hobby. Or maybe we should
>just cancel the whole hobby and get it over with.
>

Jim,

I didn't say "Kill-the-DX" ... and I didn't say "Kill-the-QSL" ...
*I* QSL when I have an interesting contact and a QSL is requested.

The guy was talking about DXCC ... and I didn't say kill that, either
.. though now that I think about it, "contests" DO cause a substantial
portion of the congestion, and pileups of obscenity-screaming jerks ...

However, what I was commenting on was the lamenting "it's a sad stae of
affairs when (pick your old-time "halmark" of "REAL ham radio") ...
etc.)

My point is that I'm disgusted by the total unwillingness to accept ANY
change that's exhibited by SO MANY hams ... it's indicative of the
most insidious, destructive underlying problem of the ham community ...
a staunch, rigid, inflexible desire to maintain the status quo at all
costs ...

That's all I said ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:28 1996
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Subject: Re: Who Do You Hear on HF?
Date: 4 Sep 1996 04:22:10 GMT
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In <50fos2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>The "used-car salesmen" of the VHF no-code license used the "we need
>lots of people on VHF to save our bands" argument. The amateur population
>bought it, fearful of another 220mhz debacule. Where are hordes of
>new hams?
>

So TAPR, AMSAT, and QCWA (amongst others) are "used car salesmen"?
I can't speak for the QCWA, but I'm convinced that TAPR and AMSAT are a
hell of a lot more progresive than the ARRL.

>I think most people think "passe" when they think of amateur radio.
>

Yup ... that's the problem ... and the reason for it is CW, pure and
simple.

>What makes you think the hundreds of thousands of already-licensed
>hams are going to accept all these "new hams" with a codeless HF
>license? If you think the comments like "no-clue tech" are widespread
>now, why would they go away with codeless HF operators?
>

From what I see here, significant numbers of the already licensed hams
have come to agree that the CW requirement is rediculous today, and
support the reomval of the testing requirement ...

>The average person in the United States is a moron who sits in front
>of the television 4 hours a day. They can't tell you what the name of
>the Vice President is.
>
>If you think these bozos are going to "save" the hobby, you're dead
>wrong.
>

And *I* get accused of being an eletist because I want to bring in
technically-qualified people ...

I suppose you think one should have to be a member of Mensa to get a
license?  (BTW, before you try to take another shot at my general
intelligence level, FWIW [though I personally don't think it {Mensa,
that is} is worth much] I qualify easily on that basis).

>Please quote one sentence, with the proper context, where I've insulted
>you.
>

I told you before, I don't archive your garbage ...

>
>>>Drew lives in Florida. What would you expect listening to local HF talk
>>>when you live in the state with the highest per-capita of the elderly?
>>
>>Oh, come on! You can do better than that ... you don't seriously expect
>>that anyone listening here will buy the argument that Drew only hears
>>old fogies because he lives in Florida?  HF doesn't cross state
>>boundaries, huh???
>
>Oh yes. Propagation has been just so wonderful lately.
>

IF *you* knew much about HF, you'd know that 40m should be open long
distances in various directions at various times of the day ... even
with the sunspot cycle low. Bogus dodge ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:29 1996
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In <50h79t$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
 writes:
>[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:
>>
>>Oops, forgot. You already have a VHF code-free test, and that one
>>didn't work to "save our bands", huh?
>
>
>If YE OLDE FAHRTZ hadn't fought against the no-code license for as long
>as they did, we probably could have saved 220-222Mhz.
>
>Remember, 220 was taken away from us BEFORE the no-code Tech license was
>created.  My guess is that the unwillingness of YE OLDE FAHRTZ and their
>cronies in the ARRL to support a no-code license had quite a bit to do
>with this.
>
>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM
>

I think he GOT you there MD!

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Pritchard)
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Geoff Brown <[e-mail]> wrote:

Hi Geoff,

> I am surprised at your comments about the RSGB, however, I see that you
> haven't been licensed very long so you will not have seen all the past
> work the RSGB has done.

I first had the call G1UQW in the mid 1980s, but have been an SWL
since 1971, when I was a boy of 10.  I joined the RSGB first time
round in 1975, as an SWL at a time when SWLs seemed to be treated as
second class citizens.  However, I stayed in the RSGB until1981, let
my membership lapse as a student, rejoined when I got my first
license.  I've written two books on amateur radio, taught on my local
RAE course on an occasional basis and written God knows how many
articles for the hobby press.  I reckon I've been aroudn enough to
know enough.

> Over the 25 years that I have been a member I must say that things have
> changed (for the better).
> A great deal of work has been put in to extending many of the licensing
> regulations.
> I think if you had have been round many years ago that you would
> understand what I mean.

I woudl agree, but organisations have to change and develop;however,
I've supported the RSGB for a number of years and feel that I can
make a judgement o what they do now, rather tahn their past
successes.  The RSGB must be perceived as being a more modern, open,
organisation.

> BTW. I don't mean the RSGB is squeaky clean, they may well have to revise
> certain things in the future to maintain membership.

Yes, they will.

And changing from within doesn't seem to be happening; maybe a little
organised outside pressure will do the trick.  I want a national
organisation to work; I want to belong to a group that would be able
to represent my views as a radio hobbyist to teh pwoers that be.  Who
does it I don't really care.  Getting involved in the RSGB 'politics'
is difficult for those of us who run a business; also, given the
attitude of a number of senior members (i.e. members who have been in
the RSGB for a number of years) to G0s, G1s and later calls
(i.e., because we passed the multiple choice we're deemed unworthy)
I'm not sure I want to put myself through it...

73s

Joe Pritchard

There's only one decision to make;
get busy living or get busy dying.

Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank redemption.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: 04 Sep 1996 05:42:44 GMT
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In article <50ihak$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)
 Landing, NJ writes:
   Remember this..if the US decides to go nocode HF, you still have the rest o
f
   the ITU to contend with.  I have yet to see, other than the NEW Zealand
   proposal, ANY ITU country propose the removal of the code requirement

Most propably there will be pressures to abandon CW requirement from
South-American and African countries. They are mostly poor and want to
establish a communication structure, the technology and the people to
use it, quickly and cheaply. It is in the interest of those countries
that as many technically oriented people as possible enter our hobby.

USA has dominance in many many things, including amateur radio
hobby. This means that quite a large portion of the world follows what
USA does in amateur radio service. If USA abandons CW requirement, so
does the rest of the world. If USA keeps CW requirement, so do most of
the other countries.

I guess it will be USA and Europe that will make the CW requirement to
stay. Hope I am wrong.
--
Jari Jokiniemi, [e-mail], OH2MPO, OH3BU
Tekla Oy, Koronakatu 1, 02210 Espoo, 90-8879 474


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:32 1996
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From: "Ron Curry" <[e-mail]>
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You guys are really wasting your time here. After all the discussion he
still doesn't get it. It's unfortunate but this attitude reflects that of a
significant number of hams - "I bought it so it must be good and since I
have it now it's good enough. I don't care how it affects others". It's
that attitude that keeps amateur radio stuck in the stone age. It's what
makes 1200 baud packet run at 30 cps and 9600 baud packet at 120cps. It's
the same attitude that keeps us from proliferating  new standards at higher
bit rates. But.... he's happy with what he's doing (I think) so let it
rest. Just don't put a packet station on the same frequency he's on!
--
Ron Curry
KE6WED
[e-mail]


Christopher K. Greenhalgh <[e-mail]> wrote in
article <[e-mail]>...
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
writes:
>
> One can spend $400 on a radio that can do voice, 1.2k packet, and 9.6k
> packet...on ANY frequency of his choice, verses a $150 rock bound rig
that
> can only do one thing, on one frequency.
>
> It really depends on the person, and how they intend to use their
equipment.
>



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:33 1996
From: [e-mail] (Jeff Towle)
Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
Date: 4 Sep 96 06:05:56 -0700
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More people die in hospitals, on a per capita basis, than in any
other sort of building.

More people die in automobile accidents within 25 miles of home than
outside of that 25 mile radius.

Like anything else, there is a rational explanation, and a
statistical one. The lack of a relationship between cause and effect,
and statistical significance is what makes politicians out of liars,
or is it the other way around?

Jeff
.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:34 1996
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From: [e-mail](Anthony Severdia)
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Carl-

    OK, if you "say so". <g> I assure you that I don't read most of the
blabber that is coming through, but it sure pollutes what I think of
miscellaneous pertaining to practical amateur radio.

    I'll point out:  I responded to a totally new idea, an _original_
post.  And, I thought there would be some real flames.  Yours is
not that, but reasoned response, I think.

    I'm all in favor of anyone spewing out odd ideas.  That's why
"politics" (favorite subject these days, it seems) might be appopriate.
It is politics, not so?

    Thanks for your comments, fellow 6-lander!   73

    -=Tony=-    W6ANV


In <50itl1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>In <50gqus$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail](Anthony Severdia) writes:
>
>>    The better answer may be to establish a new sub-group such as
>>"rec.radio.amateur.politics".  This would be an appropriate place to
>>BLABBER whatever one's feelings of AR.
>>
>
>Tony,
>
>Another sub-group for the sub-citizens? If you don't want to follow
>"code/no-code" or "the ARRL sucks", please just kill-file them, rather

>than trying to force the people whose views you may disagree with into

>yet another form of "second-class citizenship" by censoring them off
to
>some obscure sub-group that may or may not get distributed.
>
>There are too damned many newsgroups to keep up with as it is, without

>unnecessarily creating more ....
>
>If you don't want to read the threads, don't read them ... but don't
try
>to banish them ...
>
>Next thing you know, someone'll have Clinton talking about how  his
>"C" chip will be mandated for inclusion in all modems produced in the
>future, designed to censor code/no-code messages from the internet, to
>protect the delicate sensibilities of the unprotected pro-code fans
...
>
>
>Carl - wa6vse
>
>



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:35 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Code Vs No-Code. End The Cry!!!
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 07:02:54 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, AC6V <[e-mail]> writes:
> This truth can be found
> >For that treasured upgrade
> >To this you are bound
> >As of  this moment
> >All that is around
> >Is CW -- the only game
> >In the whole damn town
> >CW vs No-CW -- End the cry!!!!
> >
> >73 From AC6V
> >--
> >Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
> >What King of old could do thus??
>
> If the King doesn't want to read the code/no-code debate the King should
> ask his 10-16 year old child (or neighbor kid) "How do I set up a
> 'kill-file'??
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Insults are the last recourse of a weak argument.

73
Rod in San Diego


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From: Don Labriola <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <50gr8e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehl
er) writes:

> As I've stated NUMEROUS times here, I'm a "with-code" tech ... 5wpm
> code, and the (old, fuller) General theory test. (at the FCC office)
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Carl,

I also question as to whether or not the code makes sense - and also
have the 20 WPM down and out of the way. A couple of friends LOVE to
work that mode, and others avoid it like the plague... but rather than
judging on what we call our form of enjoyment, aren't we looking for
methods to locate and invite those who will help fulfill the HAM radio
charter. What I have not yet seen in the discussions is an idea to allow
the code as ONE of the ways to get the expanded privledges, with a
technical route being the other. Any thoughts on making the passing of
either the Commerical General Class test, or something of similiar
difficulity an alternative to the code. This would allow the current
routes to Extra to still exist, yet not keep the technical types out
just because they don't want to "pound brass". Thoughts?

Don - N6CNB


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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<[e-mail]> wrote:
>License was MODIFIED (change of address) last May ... I've been licensed
>continuously since 1975.

Waiting 21 years for the skill test to be eliminated? I find that sad.
You've missed out on a lot of fun.

>I also hold a commercial license.

Certainly not the Radio Telegraph!!!!

KH2PZ


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From: [e-mail] (Donald Theriault)
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Subject: yaesu 2700 mod's
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can a yaesu 2700 uhf vhf radio be mod so it can rx from 144-174
and 440-470mhz. if so please e-mails me with mod's

[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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Steve - KF2TI <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Remember this..if the US decides to go nocode HF, you still have the rest of
>the ITU to contend with.  I have yet to see, other than the NEW Zealand
>proposal, ANY ITU country propose the removal of the code requirement

Hi Steve,
Japan's 4th Class license is an HF no-code certificate; they're limited
to 20W output, no WARC band privileges.

I don't like the fact that the JA government created such a permit, but
it is the exception. But we've actually got something a little similar: 11M.
No code necessary, and limited power in that slice of HF.

Jeff KH2PZ
dit dit


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:39 1996
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From: Paul Knight <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,chi.wanted,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB: Kenwood TS660 Quad Bander
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Hello, everyone!  I'm looking for a Kenwood TS660 "Quad-Bander"
rig.  It is an early '80's vintage radio, covering 6-10-12-15M.  If
you'd like to part with yours, please drop me a note.

--
Thanks!

Paul Knight WD8DKY
[e-mail]

-or-

[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anonymous poster caught: J. Mackey (was: Re: CB repeaters)
Date: 4 Sep 1996 08:22:28 GMT
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Frank Sved <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I had to cut out the interchange.  Were you paying attention Jeff?  Are
>you still convinced that all your contributions are postitive and
>constructive?

Hi Frank,
All my constructive contributions go via private email and postal mail. I
send my other contributions via netnews to publically respond to the kooks.
Got to put a lock on that back door, or else PL this newsgroup.
KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:41 1996
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From: "Steven R. Loeffler" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: WTB:  Dead Icom 02AT for case
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 09:16:39 -0700
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My 02AT took a tumble yesterday @ 50 MPH onto asphalt and finally came to rest
 almost 150 feet
from initial point of contact.  The radio works fine (one of, if not the best
built radios I've
seen on the Amateur Radio market), however, the front plastic case has suffere
d major damage.  I
am looking to replace the front case assembly and need a source.  If you have
a dead or buggy
02AT (has to have the TT pad opening), or know of an alternate source, then le
ts talk!


VY 73 de Steve

[e-mail]


P.S. - I am also looking for a new battery case which one side of the plastic
attachment slide
broke off.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:42 1996
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From: Stephen H Ponder <[e-mail]>
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I recently acquired a Galaxy GT-550 HF transceiver (accompanied by
the RV-550 Remote VFO).  Does anybody out there have a manual for
this rig?  Maybe we could work out a deal with the cost of photo-
copying and postage.

Thanks for your assistance!

Steve Ponder, N5WBI
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Craig)
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24$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <50apv3$[e-mail]> <3
[e-mail]> <50cvin$[e-mail]> <01bb99e6$0e9fc4a0$204d44
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Distribution:

Joe Camel (joe@megahard) wrote:
: > The ham community is rapidly becoming the "blacksmiths" of the
: > electronic age ... and the ARRL and the "CW forever" group are telling
: > the FCC "This is what we want ... this is where we demand to remain."
: > That's pure techno-political suicide.
: > Carl - wa6vse
: > [e-mail]


: Absolutely.  Moreover, the NBA seems to favor these "olde fartz" like
: Michael Jordan, who don't use a ladder to drop a ball in a hoop.  Why,
: may I ask?  It's the 90's, and ladders have been around for thousands
: of years, man!  Besides, what's the purpose of tossing a rubber ball
: around, anyway?  We need the space, and the money, so let's just
: sell all basketball courts...
: :-)

: Joseph Camel

Kind of like these mountain climbers.  Don't they realise that
helicopters are a much better and faster and more reliable
means of getting to the top?

--
73 Joe VO1NA



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
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In article <50d88q$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>In <[e-mail]>,
>       [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:
>
>>It is interesting to note that the 48% internet able figure quoted above
>>is significantly below the 70% figure recently reported for the general
>>amateur population.
>
>Only if the same definition of "internet-able" was used in both instances,
>and if the timeframe under which the survey was conducted was the same.
>
>In the first case, we don't know the definition of "internet-able" for
>both studies -- for instance, is "packet" considered "internet-able",
>since one can receive e-mail through a Inet<>Packet gateway?
>
>In the second case, the tremendous growth of the Internet means that
>more and more people are "getting connected" on a daily basis. This
>large growth could significantly skew the results of one survey over
>the other, depending on the timeframe under which each was conducted.

The two surveys are dated 6 months apart, with the ARRL member survey
being the later one. I thought the contrast was interesting, but it
doesn't necessarily say much about the technical competence of the two
groups. After all, AOL has removed the necessity for many of us to buy
diskettes thanks to their incessant mailings, so getting connected to
the net isn't an indication of great technical accomplishment. It is a
significant deviation between the general amateur population and that
subset who are ARRL members, however.

I *suspect* it indicates that the ARRL membership has a larger percentage
who don't own computers than the general amateur population. This may be
because the ARRL membership is older than the general amateur population.
While age alone isn't an indicator of technological obsolesence of skills,
and I'm sure we all know examples of elderly people who are on top of the
latest technics, it is true in general that the elderly are more set in
their ways and less quick to adopt new ideas and new techniques than
younger people, IE they've lost the sense of wonder and adventure that
most younger people have. (Some young people seem born without it, and
are "old" while still children, and some old people never lose it, but
there is a difference in general between the groups according to age.)

I've even seen that here with some of the older (or at least older
in spirit) members of our groups bemoaning the passing of the slide
rule for the electronic calculator, or the taking of square roots with
only pencil and paper. Younger people have grown up with the calculator,
and increasingly with the computer. It is a simple basic tool to them.
To some older people, it is a mystery which they don't quite understand
or trust.

To amateurs of whatever age who have retained a zest for learning,
and an adventuresome spirit, new technics are their lifeblood. They
can no more resist trying the latest thing than they can resist
breathing. Those who have lost, or never had, that zest and spirit,
probably can't understand this.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Martin Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Market Research for Pirate Radio survey.

>Sex.

Yes, of course. At least three of four times a week.

>Age.

Well, I prefer younger women, in the #3 catagory.

>1.  15 and Under
>2.  Between 16 and 19 years
>3.  Between 20 and 30 years
>4.  30 and over.

>What ethnic group?

Asian women. I find them so much easier to get along with than American
women.

>What Radio stations do you listen to?

Well, let's see. The last stations I listened to were KH6AFS, DL4JAN, SP0CUW,
N6FU, and K7JYE.

>Do you listen to Pirate radio?

Unfortunatly, yes. But we don't call them pirates. We call them bootleggers, o
r
slims.  We have to listen to Chinese, Indonesian, and Philippino slims every
day. Some countries just don't enforce the rules.

>Music choice. What are your choices in music that determine your radio choice
?

None. We aren't allowed to play music on the radio. Against the rules.

>Why do you listen to those radio stations.
>Is it the Dj's; the general patter. Or what.

Because they called me. First, I call CQ, then they call me. Sometimes they ca
ll
CQ, and I call them. But it doesn't do much good to talk on the radio if you
aren't going to listen.

>Date of where you collected the information.

Yesterday.

>Are you a student at all

No. I have my extra class license, so I don't have to study anymore.

Hafa Adai,
Jim KH2D








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Joe Craig wrote:
>
> 24$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <50apv3$[e-mail]>
<[e-mail]>
<50cvin$[e-mail]> <01bb99e6$0e9fc4a0$204d4486@
> :
> Distribution:
>

> : Absolutely.  Moreover, the NBA seems to favor these "olde fartz" like
> : Michael Jordan, who don't use a ladder to drop a ball in a hoop.  Why,
> : may I ask?  It's the 90's, and ladders have been around for thousands
> : of years, man!  Besides, what's the purpose of tossing a rubber ball
> : around, anyway?  We need the space, and the money, so let's just
> : sell all basketball courts...
> : :-)
>
> : Joseph Camel
>
> Kind of like these mountain climbers.  Don't they realise that
> helicopters are a much better and faster and more reliable
> means of getting to the top?

No doubt they do.  But unlike in the amateur service where one must
submit oneself to an examination in order to confirm if the Pavlovian
conditioning attributed to learning Morse code has indeed been
successful, a helicopter pilot need not prove that he/she does not have
to prove that they have the skills to climb a mountain to reach the top
before they are allowed to do so in their conveyance of choice.
>
> --
> 73 Joe VO1NA

73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
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In article <50brad$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writ
es:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>
>>It would be interesting to see figures which added up to 100% for
>>various mode usages to see where Morse operation really stands with
>>respect to other modes. For example, in my case Morse usage makes up
>>less than 1% of my amateur activity, and 100% of that is automatically
>>generated by the repeater controller.
>
>Oh, what the hell, Gary. Let's just say, for the sake of accurate data
>collection, your Morse code useage is 0%.  That is, unless you want
>to count all the time that other people talk on your repeater as *your*
>amateur activity on FM.
>
>So what's that got to do with anything ?  Excuse me if I sound crabby,
>I just woke up - with a keyboard in my face....

No problem, Jim. The point is that the 54% number is distorted by
people like me who rarely use Morse, but who had to answer yes to
the survey question about Morse (yes, I was one of the ones surveyed).
In other words, using that 54% survey number to show that 54% of HF
activity is in CW is totally bogus. That should also be obvious
because the total for all modes is larger than 100%.

If the survey reflected *usage* statistics, the total for all modes
would be exactly 100%. It isn't even close. The only real conclusion
we can draw from this data is that only 54% of amateurs *ever* use
Morse on the air for *anything*, even repeater IDs. And of course that
means 46% of amateurs *never* use Morse, except *once* to pass a test.
That's all we can say from this data. We can't draw any meaningful
usage statistics from it. We can get a bit of usage data from the
fact that the total for all modes *except* Morse also totals over 100%.
That would indicate that there are relatively few stations which use
Morse exclusively, and obviously, while they aren't using Morse, they
aren't contributing to Morse occupancy of amateur frequencies.

One could be tempted to argue that a test element on something nearly
half of tested amateurs never use shouldn't carry much weight on the
exam. But this isn't a valid argument. Test elements aren't supposed
to be about popularity. They are supposed to satisfy some legitimate
government concern. That concern used to be so that life safety services
with only Morse capability could warn off amateurs who were causing them
interference. With the cessation of Morse usage by the life safety
services, that concern has become moot. That leaves as the only rationale
for continued Morse testing its use as a "rite of passage". But that isn't
a legitimate government concern. Government's purposes do not include
running fraternity initiations.

Gary
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es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (ALAN CUNNINGHAM)
Subject: JARL Info Needed
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Does anyone have a web site location for the
JARL in Japan ? Or an e-mail adderess?

I am looking for information on their grid
locator award program.

Tnx es 73   Al Cunningham  N8AGU

e-mail to [e-mail]




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How do you clear individual memory channels in Yaesu FT-51R ?  Manual
describes how to
remove memory channel names but not memory channel itself.  TNX


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Carl Steckler)
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In article <50cqje$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...

>What would be so onerous about requiring hams to return a card in a
>postage-paid return envelope, checking the box and indicating that they
>were, in fact, still alive and cared enough to reply??????
>
>As I said, it would allow the FCC to reclaim a LOT of SK callsigns,
>which they could re-issue for a fee under the new vanity call program,
>raising revenue that they might even apply to better enforcement
>programs.

any extra fees collected would go towards paying for your truly foolish
idea. You obivously have no concept of what such a survey would cost. The
vanity callsign fees would only cover a small portion of the cost of a
"complete" survey.

You would fair much better running for one of the ARRL offices, then you
would be in on the decision making process you claim that the ARRL has sole
posession of.

I myself do not favor a continuation of a code requirement, nor am I a
member of the ARRL. However I do believe that they have  a much better Idea
of what is desired than any individual Ham. That the FCC chooses to listen
to them is, believe it or not, a good thing. They ( the FCC) could be more
like the rest of our government and just do as they damn well please.

If it weren't for the ARRL pushing the codless tech license I would most
likely not be a Ham. I am glad they did and hope they keep pushing on our
behalf.
>
>It would ALSO let the FCC get a clear unbiased view of the REAL opinions
>of the US ham population, instead of the slanted, backward trash that
>the ARRL feeds them.

What makes you think that the powers that be at the FCC will really do what
we want if they have thrie own reasons contrary? If it doesn't work for the
ARRL then there is no reason to feel any different about the FCC.

Carl KB2SGX

--
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KB2SGX -.-  -...  ---..  ...  --.  -..-
"For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will
 never know"
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Lo)
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In article <50inqr$[e-mail]>, @cu.comp-unltd.com says...
> I am not a ham radio operator, but I am interested in the possibility
> of using a HAM radio in conjunction with a computer to gain remote
> internet access.  I have talked with a HAM operator and he told me
> that it is possible to communicate with a computer and a radio using a
> "node" and a software program called "packet".  From the other things
> we talked about it seemed like it should be possible to set up a node
> on an internet server computer and link it to a node on a remote PC.
>
> Is this possible?

  Sure is!

> Is anyone curently doing it?

  A lot of people- there are many Internet <--> Packet gateways. Try going to
http://www.ampr.org/ to find out more.

> If so, how fast is it (baud rate) and how much does the service cost?

  If you are connected through a packet modem, the speed is determined by how
fast your packet modem is. If it's 300 baud, then everything will crawl along,

even if the gateway is connected to a T1.

> How far can it be reliably used on a daily basis (how many miles)?

  Using an antenna, you can get as far as the antenna is good for. I doubt
you'd be able to access a packet --> internet gateway in southern california
from southern florida, especially on 2 meters. :) However, if you are going
backwards (internet --> packet), it all depends on which stations the packet
station are connected to is hooked up with.

Good Luck,
Kevin Lo

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From: [e-mail] (James Aeschliman)
Subject: Re: Burbank, CA a "dead" zone for VHF?
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Abraham Stavsky) says:

>
>Several friends as well as myself have had trouble working
>VHF and even UHF in parts of Burbank, with repeaters being quite
>difficult to hit even when fairly close by.  Is there anything
>about Burbank's geography which could affect radio transmission?
>Much obliged.
>KE6OCM
>--
>
Yes, it's at the east edge of the San Fernando Valley.  Santa Monica
mountains are directly south and San Gabriel mountains directly east.
Much of Burbank is in a fringe area for television, because the San
Gabriel mountains block the signal from Mount Wilson.
--
Jim Aeschliman                      [e-mail]
Black Diamond, Washington           KD7MK


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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In <50itl1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>Another sub-group for the sub-citizens? If you don't want to follow
>"code/no-code" or "the ARRL sucks", please just kill-file them, rather
>than trying to force the people whose views you may disagree with into
>yet another form of "second-class citizenship" by censoring them off
>to
>some obscure sub-group that may or may not get distributed.

Our .policy group certainly is not obscure, and if its not carried
one's site a simple request to the news person should result in
its subscription. If not, go with another provider who carries it.

I'm trying to determine just what is the matter with you, Karl. We got
a very efficient rec.radio.amateur hierarchy set up but you refuse to
comply with the charter. Anarchy ruins a society and a newsgroup.

>There are too damned many newsgroups to keep up with as it is,

...so consolidating all topics in a single group is your answer?

The other groups are our speciality groups (dx, antenna, homebrew,
policy, etc); if you've got a specialized topic to discuss, wouldn't
you want to post it to those who are interested and knowledgable
of such a topic?

I imagine your no code views got shot down on .policy so you're voicing
them to a different audience now.

>If you don't want to read the threads, don't read them ... but don't
>try banish them

Sort them to the proper group, Karl, not banish them. .Misc is not a
dumping ground - its for topics that don't fit into any of the groups.

KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:47:58 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
Date: 4 Sep 1996 20:52:59 GMT
Organization: Planet Access - Stanhope, NJ
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>   Jim Cummings <[e-mail]> writes:

>  > Kind of like these mountain climbers.  Don't they realise that
>  > helicopters are a much better and faster and more reliable
>  > means of getting to the top?
>
>  No doubt they do.  But unlike in the amateur service where one must
>  submit oneself to an examination in order to confirm if the Pavlovian
>  conditioning attributed to learning Morse code has indeed been
>  successful, a helicopter pilot need not prove that he/she does not have
>  to prove that they have the skills to climb a mountain to reach the top
>  before they are allowed to do so in their conveyance of choice.
>  >

>
>  73 and live better digitally
>  Jim, VE3XJ


HUH???? What????   that is one of the weirdest comparisons I have yet to see.

helicopter pilots put alot of time and practice into attaining their licenses
(certifications).
a better comparison would be allowing airplane pilots to get their licenses wi
thout ever having to learn IFR.
Why should they, they only fly when the sun is out, IFR is passe, I never use
it or need it.

mountain climbers do so by choice and they practice their skills to achieve a
level
of competency, unlike the whinny crybaby give HF cause i want it types.

tell you what....I'll arrange to give you all HF privledges without practicing
 or taking
any code if you'll climb Mt. McKinley without ever having climbed before.

In fact, I'll make sure you get your new codeless HF license on the way down (
SPLAT)




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:00 1996
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From: Steve Kramer <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: INMARSAT COMMS
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:56:37 -0400
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Does anyone know FOR SURE if INMARSAT carrys any nbFM voice?
Has anyone heard nbFM on INMARSAT?

I have heard INMARSAT digital stuf using and R-7000 a preamp and a 4ft
fiberglass dish. But this was only temporary and it was quite cold
outside!!!


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:01 1996
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From: PY2RN <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc,uk.radio.amateur
Subject: FT5200 9600??
Date: 4 Sep 1996 22:04:00 GMT
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Hi,

If you know how to make the Yaesu Ft-5200 operational on packet
at 9600bps (Where do I connect the tx/rx wires) could you please
send it to me?

Thank you.

Ed, PY2RN


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:02 1996
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From: Bill Kelsey - N8ET <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Findlay Ohio Hamfest Sunday Sept. 8, 1996
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 02:07:58 -0700
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The 54th (more or less) Findlay (Ohio) Hamfest will be held at the
Hancock County Fairgrounds this Sunday. Gates open at 8 AM for the
general public. Tickets cost $5 each at the gate. Talk-in is on 147.15+

Hope to see some of you there

73 - Bill - N8ET
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:03 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: keyer with single chip micro?
Date: 5 Sep 1996 05:45:18 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Jim Gyer) says:

>My ICOM IC-740 uses the optional IC-EX243 keyer board.  It has one 16
>pin chip (25C945), 11 resistors, 1 pot, 5 caps, 2 diodes, and 1
>transistor. Its maybe two square inches in area.  Some of the pots are
>on the main chassis.  Project seems likely.
>
>Good luck
>Jim Gyer KC7RKL ([e-mail])

I like the little Curtis 8044ABM chip. It's a bit more ($19.95) but you
can make the circuit design as simple or as detailed as you wish.

I built a "bare-bones" circuit with just a pot for speed; the circuit
board is 1 1/2" X 1 1/2" and I found a tiny box that just accomodates the
board, pot, jacks and 9 volt battery. Probably uses half a dozen
resistors and a few capacitors in the circuit, plus a couple diodes and
transistor.

You can go all-out with the chip and build a circuit with sidetone, speed
meter, variable weighting, the works, but it will be on a larger board.

It is a versatile IC for its price.

73, Zack W9SZ

--



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From: [e-mail] (Iain Grant)
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[e-mail] (Bob Allisat) wrote:
>Skeeter Abell-Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I tried www.wtv.net/sexcult for fun.
>>Not sure what the point of that was.
> The point is Sex as an
> integral part of Culture.
> Not as some isolated and
> brutalized closet phenome.
> Art, Love, Society, Truth,
> Decency and Virtue are all
> encompassed by Sexuality.

Bob, no disrespect buddy, but you need to get laid somethin' fierce.

Ig.

                             \\|//
                             (o o)
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Canadian Broadcasting on the NET.
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A great many people think they are thinking when
they are merely rearranging their prejudices.

-- William James



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard D. Meadows)
Subject: Re: Looking for a mailorder outfit to purchase a handheld scanner
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Douglas Alexander wrote:
>>
>> Looking for a good mailorder firm to purchase a handheld scanner from:
>>

>http://www.demon.co.uk/javiation/

You might want to check out  Copper Electronics

They are on the Web

http://www.copper.com

1-800-968-8500  and I think you can get a free catalog.

Richard



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Changes to rec.radio.* heirarchy?
Date: 5 Sep 1996 07:26:58 -0400
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In article <50kjg9$[e-mail]>,
        Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:

>In <50itl1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>>Another sub-group for the sub-citizens? If you don't want to follow
>>"code/no-code" or "the ARRL sucks", please just kill-file them, rather
>>than trying to force the people whose views you may disagree with into
>>yet another form of "second-class citizenship" by censoring them off
>>to some obscure sub-group that may or may not get distributed.
>
>I'm trying to determine just what is the matter with you, Karl. We got
>a very efficient rec.radio.amateur hierarchy set up but you refuse to
>comply with the charter. Anarchy ruins a society and a newsgroup.

Its pretty simple, Jeff. I have honestly come to the conclusion that
Carl believes men in black suits are following him around. He believes
everything is a conspiracy to someone suppress his opinion. He has
purposely misattributed several comments to me, and when asked to back
up his claims that I've made these remarks, dismisses them with a
'oh, I can't be bothered'.

On one occasion he made the comment "the gloves are off". I think
its pretty clear that Carl is not interested in rational discourse
about the CW requirement. At this point he has merely become a loose
cannon with his own personal agenda. In his quest for the Holy Grail,
it doesn't matter what anti-social behaviour he participates in,
because, well, its justified all in the name of the greater good.


MD
--
--
--  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Beat the pile-ups>>Cyberscheds now Available @ sarrio.com
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 07:40:05 -0700
Organization: Raymond Sarrio Co.
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This is a new use of the WWW that can benefit ham radio operators
throughout the world.

You can now schedule contacts with hams all over the world simply and
easily by using the WWW and e-mail.I have set aside a section of my web
site for hams to post their request for over-the-air schedules. Included
in the posting is a place to list the posters specific ham radio contact
needs (countries, zones,IOTA, grid squares ect...). The postings will also
include an e-mail link that will allow hams that read the posts, to easily
request an over-the-air schedule.

How Can Cyberscheds work for me?

Do you need a certain state to complete a WAS award? Are you just a few
countries away from a DXCC? Are you a QRP operator looking to make
contacts with hams all over the world? Are you a DX station that has grown
tired of the stateside pile-ups on 20 meters? Or are you going mobile into
a hard to work county?

In all the above examples you could have prearranged cyberscheds with
those hams that you want to work. If band conditions are poor just e-mail
the hams you could not work and set up a new schedule.

Cyberscheds are a simple way to have the internet work to the benefit of
hams all over the world.

All posting will stay on-line for 6 months, or until the posting is asked
to be deleted.

Visit http://www.sarrio.com and participate in your first cybersched.
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Carl Steckler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Sig file fixed, thanks
Date: 5 Sep 1996 11:20:51 GMT
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I have corrected my mistake, to all who niticed and didn't email me thanks.
A mind is a terrible thing to loose. Mine was on vacation.

Do code, just don't require it.

--
Carl (Ex-Jarhead) Semper-Fi
KB2SGX -.-  -...  ..---  ...  --.  -..-
"For those who fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will
 never know"
Unknown Marine, Khe Sahn, Viet Nam



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:10 1996
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From: Pierre Thomson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
Date: 5 Sep 1996 12:01:34 GMT
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[e-mail] (zommbee) wrote:
>
> This is NOT to get feedback on whether it should be required for upgrades
> or anything at all.  I am ONLY asking how many people ENJOY CW?  Now here's
> the clinker - How many enjoy CW who have only had their tickets for a couple
> of years or less?  I get the impression from reading these newsgroups that
> only us 'old timers' (I've been licensed for 22 years and I'm 35 years old)
> actually LIKE CW, that ALL newcomers HATE it, and resent being told they
> have to learn it.  Is this true?  Or do newcomers LIKE code? and USE it?
>

I, for one, love CW.  However, since I've been a ham for 14 years,
I guess that makes me an "old timer".

Having "Elmered" several young people to their tickets, let me
tell about a few of them:

John, KB2PDX (Tech Plus) was once a Navy signal man.  He operates
100% CW, and has made hundreds of QSO's on 80, 40, and 15 meters
since getting his ticket about 2 years ago.  He's about 40.

Hank, KB2PNC (Tech Plus) started with the Technician license.  He
uses VHF and tries 10 meters when open, but has never gotten into
CW.  He is still in his teens.

Tim, KB2AXJ, started with ham radio while in college, and got into
HF, both CW and SSB, back when there was an ionosphere.  We had a
club station at the university, and got lots of good use out of it.

My experience is that today's teenagers, with their computer -
oriented outlook, don't appreciate Morse as much as the older
folks do.  This may be a generalization, but it might also explain
the antipathy to CW expressed by many of the bit-surfers on the Net.
I appreciate Morse as the _only_ digital mode that doesn't require
any hardware or software to use!

73 de KA2QPG,  Pierre

~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'^'~*-.,_,.-*~'
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:11 1996
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From: Dave Rogers <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Icom R-7000
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 13:11:49 -0500
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To: Garry Hobart <[e-mail]>

Garry Hobart wrote:
>
> On Mon, 26 Aug 1996 22:55:09 -0700, Tom Kutz <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi;
> >I have an Icom R-7000 that I don't think works above 1 Ghz.
> >I thought that I should be able to hear the GPS signals on
> >1575.42 Mhz.  I can't hear anything.  In fact I never hear any
> >signals above 1 Ghz.  Works fine below.
> >
> >Any help??
> >
> >Tom
> >WA0LRE
> >[e-mail]
> >
>
> It is probably your coax. For freqs above 1 Ghz, you really need to
> use Hardline. Anything less, is just too lossy. The best coax,
> will work well for shorter runs. If you cut the length of coax in
> half, you will also cut the loss in half.

It's probably the fact that GPS transmissions are Spread Spectrum and of
such low power that you won't hear them on anything but a GPS RX.

dave

--
Dave Rogers                                     [e-mail]
Texas Instruments
Central Research Lab
Dallas, Texas


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:12 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
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In <01bb9a24$c199c180$[e-mail]> "Ron Curry"
<[e-mail]> writes:
>
>You guys are really wasting your time here. After all the discussion
he
>still doesn't get it. It's unfortunate but this attitude reflects that
of a
>significant number of hams - "I bought it so it must be good and since
I
>have it now it's good enough. I don't care how it affects others".
It's
>that attitude that keeps amateur radio stuck in the stone age. It's
what
>makes 1200 baud packet run at 30 cps and 9600 baud packet at 120cps.
It's
>the same attitude that keeps us from proliferating  new standards at
higher
>bit rates. But.... he's happy with what he's doing (I think) so let it
>rest. Just don't put a packet station on the same frequency he's on!
>--
>Ron Curry
>KE6WED
>[e-mail]
>
>

Actually Ron it is more than defending his purchase. Chris has never
been wrong. He thought he was once but that turned out not to be the
case. Once Chris makes up his mind he doesn't get confused by facts or
expert opinions. "I said it, I believe it, that settles it." As long as
anyone argues with him he will spew his nonsensical defense. Gary is on
the right track, he doesn't have a clue, he doesn't want a clue so
don't waste any more time or bandwidth on him. Maybe then he will go
back to alt.mcdonalds and alt.politics.homosexuality. Yes Chris you do
post to these groups; before you deny it you might want to check
Dejanews it's quick, easy and there you are.

                            73 Jerry



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger)
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 14:24:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Changes to rec.radio.* heirarchy?
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In article <50it72$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ([e-mail]) writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Lee Reynolds) write
s:
>> Just a suggestion.....
>>
>> A) Changing the herirarchy to a moderated one with clear rules of
>>    conduct
>> C) Adding a few (unmoderated as exception) groups to take make sure that
>>    those who need a forum still have one? I have in mind something like -
>>
>>    rec.radio.policy.cw
>>
>>    rec.radio.flame
>>
>>    - so that those of us who want to argue code versus no code and
>>those who want to fight have somewhere to do it.
>>
>
>Lee ...  why are some people and assorted "thought-police" (who
>apparently "kill-file" what they don't want to read anyway) so hot to
>censor the rec.radio.* newsgroups to bury the no-code issue as deeply as
>possible???
>
>I would bet that some newsservers don't carry all of the rec.radio.*
>hierarchy ...  I know my old ISP in Florida didn't ... .misc seems to be
>carried widely.
>
>I don't see a lot of code/no-code in .digital, .homebrew, .space,
>or .equipment  ... what' so wrong with the discussion in .misc
>where it gets a wider audience and participation? (or is that precicely
>what you don't want?) Could you explain this?
>
>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]
>
>
>


Lee,

I think your idea is a good one.  I also think that .misc is a good
place to trash the no-coders.  Since no code dose not fall within any
of the heirarchy it is a misc.

What is more important is that people post messages in the correct
places.  That people learn how to use the news programs and stop
spaming all over the place.  A perfect example would be how many times
does one see a "for sale" ad in .space or .homebrew and even in .misc?
When it is VERY CLEAR that "for sale" ad's belong in .swap.  Misposting
is the highest form of net abuse, or at least it was in the old days.

I think every understands what I am talking about.

--js





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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:14 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <500oei$[e-mail]> <50a75s$[e-mail]> <50cq56$[e-mail]> <50hdad$[e-mail]> <50i3pa$[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:13:43 GMT
Lines: 17

In article <50i3pa$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wr
ites:
>Hi Spew,
>I did check callsign.uarl.edu and Karl is listed as a Tech. It didn't
>say Tech Plus. Just Tech.
>
>KH2PZ

That's what you get for being lazy, Jeff. Carl is listed in the
1984 printed callbook (the oldest one I have handy), and that
automatically makes him a Tech Plus under the current rules.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:15 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.info,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ARLB058 Comm emergency declared
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Date: 5 Sep 1996 17:08:12 -0400
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB058
ARLB058 Comm emergency declared

ZCZC AG38
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 58  ARLB058
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 5, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB058
ARLB058 Comm emergency declared

The FCC has issued a voluntary communications emergency declaration:
All amateurs are requested to cooperate by recognizing the existence
of a voluntary communications emergency in North Carolina and
therefore relinquishing the use of frequency 3923 kHz plus or minus
5 kHz, for handling emergency traffic resulting from Hurricane Fran.

The FCC also issued a voluntary communications emergency declaration
for South Carolina, recognizing 3993 kHz plus or minus 5 kHz for
emergency traffic.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:16 1996
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Path: news2.epix.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!mcsun!EU.net!sun4nl!rnzll3!sys3.pe1chl!rob
From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV)
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Organization: PE1CHL
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
References: <[e-mail]> <5052ke$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <cgreenha.478 <[e-mail]>
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]-
state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) wri
tes:


>>It only IS 9600 baud ready in YOUR opinion, and possibly Kenwood's.

>[subtle insults snipped]

>No Rob...thats a fact. Want to come over to my house? It spewing data
>as we speak at 9.6k.

No, I have heard enough Kenwood transceivers spewing data at 9k6.
And seen them retrying, or keeping the key down for unreasonable amounts
of time.

Rob
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| Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | BBS: [phone] (2300-0730 local) |
| AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (%RSellers%)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Hog Mobile -- any hams doing it?  (not a Joke).
Date: 5 Sep 1996 19:19:39 GMT
Organization: Sundstrand Corporation
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>Interested in contacting Harley Davidson owners who
>have successfully installed HF on their HOG.
>Interested to learn your antenna / HF configurations.
>Also interested in any motorcycle mobile HF nets.
>
>No..this is not April Fools.  Am truly curious.
>thanks,
>Joe
>
>(1973 Sportster in storage....)
>----------------------------------------------------------
>Amateur Radio:  BV/N0IAT   Taipei TAIWAN Republic of China
>        http://www.isite.net.tw/bv1al/e-hist.htm
>ex.  7J1AOF (Japan)  YU3/N0IAT (Slovenia)  KA0ZDH (Novice)
>Licensed Radio Amateur since 1986.  Comments are mine only.
>----------------------------------------------------------

I have a friend (WA9FFL) that is a died in wool Harley fan. He makes
several long road trips a year. His most recent was to Sturgis this year.
I know that he has a TenTec Scout and some Stick antennas that he uses
and gets great contacts. I don't know how he would relate to the term
"HOG MOBILE" but he wouldn't object to motorcycle mobile one bit. He is
quite proud of his Harley though.

73,

Roger Sellers
KB9LBU



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Taylor)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Call - Gate 2 - Questions?
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 96 19:27:04 GMT
Organization: TAEX -- Economics Development
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Distribution: world
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X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #1

Getting caught up on the mail and see gate 2 has been announced so I need to g
et
my act together.......

I see the announcement states "each call sign must be one designated for the R
egion
of your mailing address as follows: one of the contiguous 48 states - Regions
1 - 10"
I'm having trouble interpreting (as usual) what the government means here.
Does this mean I'm restricted to my call area of my address? I thought that re
commendation
got denied and you could apply for a call sign in any area 1- 10....which may
be what this
statement means.

Also, had seen something somewhere about submitting via FEDEX but there being
a trick to
it since FEDEX only goes to physical addresses and not POBs. Could someone ref
resh my
memory......

Tnx, Greg, KD4HZ








From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:19 1996
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From: Keith Stein <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: New INMARSAT Ready For Launch
Date: 5 Sep 1996 19:41:44 GMT
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Hello all,

Since we have all this talk about INMARSAT, thought I would
announce that a new INMARSAT is scheduled for launch tomorrow,
Friday, September 6th, at 1700 GMT, from the Baikonur
Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan.

Check out the "Listening Post" area on my home page for more
information: http://www.newspace.com/casr

Keith Stein
Woodbridge, VA
http://www.newspace.com/casr
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 05 21:48:20 1996
Newsgroups: uk.telecom,comp.dcom.telecom.tech,rec.radio.amateur.misc
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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: Tropospheric Scattering
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References: <50fqs7$[e-mail]>
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In article <50fqs7$[e-mail]>,
Michael Dawson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Has anyone any information about Troposphreic Scattering such as equipment
>suppliers, data on this mode of transmission, design rules etc.
>
>Thank you for your trouble.
>
>
>Michael Dawson
>Wellington
>New Zealand




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James F Bowling)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: (no subject)
Date: 7 Sep 96 18:10:01 GMT
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add info-hams


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:43 1996
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From: Hans K0HB <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 14.322 net?
Date: 5 Sep 1996 14:46:55 GMT
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Message-ID: <50mp4v$dra$[e-mail]>


Does anyone here know anything about the apparent
Spanish language net at 14.322?  I am monolingual
but after a fair amount of monitoring I don't
recognize anything which sounds like callsigns.

--
73, de Hans K0HB
--If you go flying back through time and you see somebody else
  flying forward into the future, it's probably best to avoid
  eye contact.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Anthony S. Pelliccio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 3.88 MHz sounded like CB tonight.  Yuck
Date: 4 Sep 1996 15:39:39 -0400
Organization: Ideamation, Inc.
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NNTP-Posting-Host: anomaly.ideamation.com

In article <50h6t3$[e-mail]>,
Drew Durigan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dick Flanagan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>Robert Casey wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <50b3a9$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>writes:
>>> >[e-mail] (bill harris) wrote:
>>> >>> Had to check that I had tuned 3.88 MHz
>>> >>>instead of 27.something it was so bad.
>>> >>
>>> Wow! I posted this about a year ago.
>>
>>Must be all those rotten, undisciplined no-coders!  :-P
>
>
>Yep.  It's gotta be those scummy no-code Techs causing all the trouble.
>After all, according to "YE OLDE FAHRTZ", they're not "real hams", you
>know!


Drew,

You know for someone who's a ham and supposed to fostering goodwill
among amateurs worldwide you're doing a lousy job.

I'm not yet an "OLDE FAHRT" at 31 but I do have an extra class license
and support keeping the code requirement for HF access.

So there!

Tony

>
>


--
== Tony Pelliccio, KD1NR
== As offensive as I wanna be.
== [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:45 1996
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From: Steve Eklund <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: A *VERY* SCARY SCENARIO
Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 07:24:29 -0700
Organization: Unigraphics, Incorporated
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Patrick Cook wrote:

>
> In short, SCANNER MONITORING SHOULD BE A HOBBY---NOT AN OBSESSION OR
> REASON TO DO SOMETHING AS STUPID AS INTERFERING WITH EMS PERSONNEL IN
> THEIR EFFORTS TO *SAVE LIVES*!!!  Because the next life they have to
> save could be *YOURS*!!!!
>
> Rob (moderator for aresco), I know I'm ranting, but I think it's worth it
> considering the fact there MAY have been some hams who MAY have done the
> Amateur Radio Service (as well as themselves) a DISservice, IMHO (especially
> with the "Little LEO" folks and other commercialized SIGs breathing down
> our necks and salivating just to get just a piece of our PRECIOUS bands)!!!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Patrick Cook, KB0OXD


Very good point, Patrick. My wife is an EMT and also a ham. She has
complained to me in the past about people with scanners getting in the
way. She cannot tell how many are actually hams because usually they
are only holding scanners. Some have other hand-held equipment, but she
can't tell for sure if they are hams, CB'ers or just using other
commercial frequencies.

My friend Mike, who is a fireman and also a ham has bitched and moaned
about the same thing. He does not care for on-lookers at all, but his pet
peeve is the hams who whip out their ARES cards and act like they have
some authority at the scene, when all they do is get in the way. He says
that they have plenty of communications in most circumstances, but when
those rare moments pop up, they will ask for assistance. Sort of a "Don't
call us, we'll call you" thing.

Steve, WA3RVT


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:48 1996
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From: John Nelson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.scanner
Subject: Re: A *VERY* SCARY SCENARIO
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 19:18:15 -0800
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Ben Hines wrote:
>
> Why do I find this hard to believe?.. I am sure you get a lot of people
> who interfere with your duties, but are you sure they are ALL "scanner
> junkies" just because they are there?.. have you actually seen scanners
> in these people's hands?.. I seem to remember other EMTs posting around
> here that they never have had this happen.
>
> By the way, if my son had died in an auto accident, I would WANT to
> know RIGHT AWAY

Typical scanner junkie/whacker point of view. They ALL think that they
are "providing a service" with their meddling.

BELIEVE IT! I can't BEGIN to list the reasons why it is BAD for
jerk-offs with scanners to make death notifications, or otherwise get
involved with somebody else's business (police, fire, ems, etc.).

More to the point, the EMT's in question, whose statement about "...too
many hams..." started this thread, were doubtless concerned about
patient confidentiality and didn't want to broadcast sensitive
information that they knew the legions of scanner-heads would hear. That
they equate hams with other parasitic forms of radio-user life forms,
such as the scanner-head, is a sad statement about the hams' current
public image.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Neff)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur Radio gets good press in AZ
Date: 6 Sep 1996 10:25:03 -0700
Organization: Primenet Services for the Internet
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X-Posted-By: @198.68.46.17 (n7ory)
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82

Durring the 10pm news on channel 10, KSAZ TV here in Phoenix, Arizona,
they had a brief report on Amateur Radio and Emergency Volunteers
envolved with Hurricane Fran.

For the most part, this segment was 80% Red Cross, and 20% Amateur
Radio. However, the information given was supportive and affirmative
toward Radio Amateurs and the invaluable service that they provide to
their communities.

It featured a local op, with his rig tuned to 14.335, discussing
aspects of the service to a reporter. An station could be heard from
the rig thanking another operator for some information he received.
The message given was that when regular means of communications go
down, Amateurs are the only reliable means of communications in and
out of troubled spots.

It is good to see such press in light of recent events here in the
valley, such as the 3 guys busted in Mesa, and the recent NAL issued
to Tim Hoffman in Phoenix.

My thanks to KSAZ and the volunteers that brought this about.

Rob Neff (N7ORY)



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anonymous poster caught: J. Mackey (was: Re: CB repeaters)
Date: 5 Sep 1996 13:43:26 GMT
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
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NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet3.carleton.ca


Jeffrey Herman ([e-mail]) writes:
> Frank Sved <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I had to cut out the interchange.  Were you paying attention Jeff?  Are
>>you still convinced that all your contributions are postitive and
>>constructive?
>
> Hi Frank,
> All my constructive contributions go via private email and postal mail. I
> send my other contributions via netnews to publically respond to the kooks.
> Got to put a lock on that back door, or else PL this newsgroup.
> KH2PZ

Can't understand parables Jeff.  Acronyms are equally difficult for me.
Air a little thin in Maui?
--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (karl dundee)
Reply-To: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Distribution: world
Subject: ARLB058 Comm. Emergency NC/SC
Date: 06 Sep 1996 00:30:32 GMT
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Organization: Redwood Free-Net
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB058
ARLB058 FCC COMM. EMERGENCY

ZCZC AG38
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 58  ARLB058
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 5, 1996
To all radio amateurs

The FCC has issued a voluntary communications emergency declaration:
All amateurs are requested to cooperate by recognizing the existence
of a voluntary communications emergency in North Carolina and
therefore relinquishing the use of frequency 3923 kHz plus or minus
5 kHz, for handling emergency traffic resulting from Hurricane Fran.

The FCC also issued a voluntary communications emergency declaration
for South Carolina, recognizing 3993 kHz plus or minus 5 kHz for
emergency traffic.
NNNN
/EX




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:54 1996
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB060
ARLB060 Hudson director resigns

ZCZC AG40
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 60  ARLB060
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 9, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB060
ARLB060 Hudson director resigns


ARRL Hudson Division Director Paul Vydareny, WB2VUK, has resigned,
effective September 5, 1996. In a fax to ARRL Executive Vice
President David Sumner, K1ZZ, Vydareny cited job and church
obligations as preventing him from doing what he considers is a
proper job of fulfilling his duties as director.  Under the
provisions of Article 7, Vice Director Richard Sandell, WK6R, of
Scarsdale, New York, becomes director for the remainder of the term,
which expires January 1, 1997. Last April, ARRL President Rod
Stafford, KB6ZV, appointed Sandell, 58, as vice director of the
Hudson Division to fill the seat left vacant when Stephen
Mendelsohn, WA2DHF, was elected first vice president and Vydareny,
then Eastern New York section manager, succeeded Mendelsohn as
division director.

Sandell is an ARRL life member and a past Hudson Division assistant
director and Eastern New York section manager. He is president and
CEO of Aura Technology Corporation. His wife, Phyllis, is KD2OG. The
couple's three daughters, Alyssa, Karyn and Sylvie, also hold ham
tickets.
NNNN
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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB061
ARLB061 Communications emergency termination

ZCZC AG41
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 61  ARLB061
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 9, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB061
ARLB061 Communications emergency termination

The FCC announced today that the Volunteer Communication Emergency
declaration for North Carolina was terminated as of September 9,
1200 noon Eastern Time.
NNNN
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:40:56 1996
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Lowman) writes:
>
>Thanks, Jim...finally someone who agrees with my point.  I'll have to pass
>this around at our local ham club, if you don't mind.  Many there seem to
>think that packet (VHF, mainly) IS all there is to ham radio.  Running
>anything at less than 14.4 kbps these days has to be some form of masochism.
>
>73 de Jim - KF6CR
>

Jim,

I agree with you in principle ... but I don't see any reason why you
limit yourself to 14.4 ... amateur packet USER links should be running
at 56-64kbps MINIMUM ... "backbone" links should be at T-1 rates or
higher.

If you'd like to run faster speeds on packet, you really ought to
consider the benfits to be had by bringing in more of the best minds of
today's telecommunications industry.

The few who have been willing to jump through the code hoop are simply
not enough critical mass to push ham radio into the future, despite
their talent and their best intentions.

Until you have enough high-tech USERS who are willing to invest the
time, money, and effort to design and build the infrastructure, you'll
always find packet choking itself to death at a lousy 1200 baud.

Carl - wa6vse
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nuytens)
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In message <50g55f$[e-mail]> - [e-mail]
(Jim Kehler)Tue, 03 Sep 1996 01:24:13 GMT writes:
:>
:>Anyone who is using it is probably using it to forward BBS BABBLE on
:>HF.  Packet traffic on HF isn't people - it's computers forwarding BBS
:>BABBLE.  I don't know about in your part of the world, but in my part
:>you can't find another real person on PACKET on HF, more less Clover.

Slightly off topic, but I can't resist.....

My packet station is on 24/7 just waiting for real, live people. Pity it
doesn't happen very often anymore. I much prefer live "chat" to BBS crap.

BTW, can somebody tell me why some idiot has to park his HF BBS on every
damned frequency until users can't swing a dead cat without having their
conversations interrupted by BBS mail beacons?

Actually, they're only partly to blame. If people would stop logging into HF
BBS stations, then may these selfish bastards would get the hint. 28.105 LSB
used to be a users' frequency until a couple of jackasses decided to make
their "wonderful" BBS available. WE DON'T NEED A BBS ON EVERY DAMNED
FREQUENCY! I've heard no less than 3 HF BBS stations eminating from Florida on
28.105 LSB at various times over the last 2 years. I make sure those calls go
right into the SUPC list.

:>You have to realize that now that we all use this wonderful medium called
:>Internet, Packet and Clover are probably on the way out, not on the way in.
:>Packet was at one time an almost viable means of spreading information
:>amoungst the ham community, but it's OBSOLETE now that the internet
:>is here.  It was fun to screw around with, but it's not worth the trouble :>
anymore - too slow, too unreliable.

Couldn't agree more. I used to live for packet chat nodes, but since the
advent of flat-rate ISPs, it's not even a concern anymore. Much easier and
more reliable to use IRC on the 'Net, than to try to get to a chat node 100
miles and 4-7 nodes away. Response time is a hell of a lot better, too.
Doesn't take 5 minutes (or LONGER) to get an answer to something you typed.



Jim Nuytens                                     Email:
V.P., Delaware Repeater Association     [e-mail]
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~dra


"I do have a cause. It is obsenity...........I'm for it!"

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In article <505soo$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> In <502ken$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (david l.
 thompson) writes:

> >I think non-member views are being considered.  Anyone can fillout the

> Only "members" get QST (where the survey was printed) ...
> supposedly some non-members were mailed a copy, but I've not heard of
> any proof of that ...

Before I joined, I bought QST at Barnes&Noble and at the tobacco-shop at the
mall and at the Out of Town News kiosk in Harvard Square.  Non members
do receive it, they just can't subscribe unless they're a library,
under combined IRS/Postal regulations which would render the magazine
a taxable subsidiary.

I would like to see a list of the other 7 proposals... not that I think
they need to survey us on our thoughts on the Little LEOs (one could
wish they had before calling for a hate-mail campaign, which might convince
Uncle Charlie to yank some spectrum to give us a spanking).

73 de N1VUX
Bill Ricker [e-mail]  http://world.std.com/~wdr [e-mail]
QST TO ALL NO-CODERS: VOTE IN YOUR ARRL SECTION AND DIVISION ELECTIONS!
WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN ARRL POLICY IF WE JOIN AND VOTE!



--
Bill Ricker  N1VUX  [e-mail]  "The freedom of the press belongs
http://world.std.com/~wdr               to those who own one."--A.J.Liebling


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>> >
>  Only "members" get QST (where the survey was printed) ...
>  supposedly some non-members were mailed a copy, but I've not heard of
  >  any proof of that ...
>
>
>  Carl - wa6vse
>  [e-mail]



QST is available for sale in a variety of electronic stores and book
stores.  they have the survey as well <<

Its even available at the grocery store in my town. Any one that wants
it can get it. 73 de Dave, N0IT



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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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In article <50vm42$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <50vcl4$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>A no-code license is NOT perfect ... it has created a ghetto of
>>no-coders in the VHF/UHF bands ... most are not "upgrading" because they
>>don't see CW as "upgrade" in any respect
>
>This is not correct. While a majority may not be upgrading (not
>surprising since the codeless license was specifically created
>for people with no interest in HF) a sizeable amount of those who
>enter through the codeless license do in fact upgrade to higher
>licenses.

For once, Michael is correct. About 15% of current higher class
licensees started out as code test free Techs while about 18% of
current amateurs have remained code test free Techs. So about 45%
of Techs are upgrading.

Now since it is obvious that 82% of amateurs are *not* on HF,
though they are licensed to be there, many of those upgrading
must be doing so for other reasons than gaining access to HF.

Gary
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es
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In <50rq0f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landin
g, NJ writes:
>>   [e-mail]%1:2619/211.9 ([e-mail]%1:2619/211.9) writes:
>
>>  I think you meant "quite" happy not "quick" happy ...
>
>Yes, that's correct Mr anal retentive, it's quite, not quick.  It;s hard
>to type without hands.
>

If you have a legititimate physical disability that makes it difficult
for you to type, please accept my appology ...  if your only disability
is mental, forget the appology ...

>>  >> (Carl wrote)
>>  >>>>My view is that the public interest would best be served by a vital,
>>  >>>>growing, technically-progressive amateur radio service, not a bunch of

>>  >>>>increasingly senile old-timers whose primary interest is in protecting

>>  >>>>"their" bands from newcomers and new modes that they can't comprehend.
>>  >>>>
>>  >
>>  >Well old timer, what makes you think they can't comprehend?
>>
>>  Stupid questions like "Seen any Clover pileups lately?" and dozens more
>>  that show complete ignorance of the new technology that's available and
>>  the inability/unwillingness to understand its benefits/value, and how
>>  the future of ham radio depends on progress, not stagnation.
>
>
>all your new technology is for the VHF+ bands, which is accessable with
>a noncode (new term) license.  how does HF benefit from this new technology.
>

Shows how much you don't know about technology ... Clover is for HF ...
and there are a hell of a lot of possibilities for future developments
in HF technology ... the main impediment to amateur participation and
leadership in that area is the code test and the second-class status
afforded to no-coders regardless of their level of technical savy ...


>and I ask again, is your real name Vince?  seems you and he are never on at t
he
>same time  Hmmmmm????  you don't suppose???  Nahhhh
>
First, I don't know who you're referring to when you rant about "Vince"
.. I assume he must be a no-code proponent, or you wouldn't ask ...
second, I say what I think and have no need for pseudonyms ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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In <501bbu$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>one thing only: money. The no-code VHF license was a money-making
>opportunity in more than one way (more subscribers, more item sales, etc.)

i was there, the arrl wasn't for the tech license changes and only proposed
one as a rear guard action in the end. would not have included 2m or 6m in the
 mix.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:07 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: 5 Sep 1996 14:18:26 GMT
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In <50kas5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Carl Steckler) wr
ites:
>I myself do not favor a continuation of a code requirement, nor am I a
>member of the ARRL. However I do believe that they have  a much better Idea

join.

>If it weren't for the ARRL pushing the codless tech license I would most
>likely not be a Ham. I am glad they did and hope they keep pushing on our
>behalf.

you need to spend some time in the library...the ARRL has made hay with the
code free tech license, but certainly was not "for" a code free license until
it
was a obvious that there was a large grass roots movement for such a license.

the arrl proposal was for 220 MHz and up..

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
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Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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>   [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>  In article <50nufc$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>  >Consider the following ... if we had more technically-inclined, skilled
>  >individuals (like those being turned off by the CW testing) packet would
>  >have progressed beyond its "dark ages" (1200/9600) and real networks
>  >might be in place by now.
>
>  Nice try, but its a non-sequiter.
>
>  These "high speed chat modes" would all be occuring on VHF+. A codeless
>  tech license is available that gives free access to all those bands.
>
>  If these wiz-bang techno-geniuses that would be developing this
>  technology were at all really interested in amateur radio, they'd be
>  on the air, today, experimenting with what you describe, using the
>  license class that already exists for exactly that purpose.
>
>
>  MD
>  --
>  --
>  --  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graa
m
>  --
>  --  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


EXACTLY !!!!


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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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[e-mail] writes:

> Since you agreed with the first statement above, why do you object to
> "putting things right" by eliminating an unnecessary restriction???

I don't believe that the restriction is "unnecessary" nor do I feel that
its elimination is "putting things right".


MD
--
--
--  Guns don't kill people. I kill people.
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In <50i3pa$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>Hi Spew,
>I did check callsign.uarl.edu and Karl is listed as a Tech. It didn't
>say Tech Plus. Just Tech.
>
>KH2PZ

I don't care WHAT "callsisgn.uarl.edu" says ... I was a Technician years
and years before there WAS a Tech/TechPlus ... continuously licensed
since 1975 ...

And it's Carl, not Karl ...

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:12 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: 6 Sep 1996 11:09:44 GMT
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>   [e-mail] writes:

>
>  >However, when he and his, to use a phrase, Ilk, decide that since we've
>  >done nothing to deserve it, therefore we must be handed it on a platter
>  >I must protest.
>
>  I've done plenty to deserve it ... I've advanced the state of the art
>  (patented inventions in the radio art and Technical Innovation award
>  from NASA (I was in the Communications Systems Research Section at
>  JPL), and a great deal of public service ham work ...

That and $1.50 gets you a ride on a NYC subway.  That gets you in Who's Who fo
r electronics
but it hardly makes you deserving of having HF without code handed to you or a
nyone else.


>  Just because YOU don't think I've earned it to YOUR satisfaction,
>  doesn't make it so ... the Rules can, and should, be changed to fit the
>  times ...
>

  >Remember this..if the US decides to go nocode HF, you still have the rest o
f
>  >the ITU to contend with.  I have yet to see, other than the NEW Zealand
>  >proposal, ANY ITU country propose the removal of the code requirement
>  >
>
>  Never heard of Canada, huh?  I understand that they will recommend
>  removal of the CW requirement ... I'm sure there will be many others,
>  too.

Fine, lets get 20 countries to agree to eliminate the code requirement, but
then you'll have 21 countries that want to keep it, then what?? another 3
years of pissing and moaning



>  >You'all stay on 2meters.  Leave the HF to the people who have earned the p
riviledge
>  >
>
>  By YOUR estimation ... wake up, it's almost the 21st century, not the
>  18th anymore ...


They had radio in the 18th century??? and you call yourself and expert  tsk ts
k

>
>  Carl - wa6vse
>  [e-mail]



i'm beginning to see what all the fuss is about.  seems if half the code elimi
nators took
1/4 of their time complaining and tried to learn, they could advance.  But thi
s is
Amerika, where good things go to those who don't earn them

WHAT A COUNTRY!!!

steve


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From: [e-mail] (Rich McAllister)
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In article <50dldn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:

> How can someone have a "hard time" with a test where the answers are
> all known in advance?

What kind of fair test doesn't have the answers known in advance?
I can see it now:

43)  What will be the result of spinning a die 10 minutes after
     you finish this test?

     A) 1
     B) 2
     C) 3
     D) None of the above
--
Rich McAllister, KO6CL, [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:14 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>Gary Hosler <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>>>I know that ... that's what I'm asying is wrong, since ARRL members are
>>>only a modest minority of hams.
>
>ARRL members are an overwhelming majority of active amateurs. Those who once
>held licenses, no longer active, will never be active, are the vast majority
of
>the callbook amateurs.

the problem being what will it take to get the paper hams into active status.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:15 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: 7 Sep 1996 12:11:04 GMT
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>   [e-mail]%1:2619/211.9 ([e-mail]%1:2619/211.9) writes:
>  To: [e-mail]%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
>  From: [e-mail]
>  Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
>  Organization: American Information Systems, Inc.

>  >
>
>  The fact that groups like TAPR, AMSAT, and others, along with quite a
>  few individuals had to beat the ARRL at its own lobbying game to get the
>  code-free tech is proof enough to any rational person.  The ARRL has its
>  own agenda, and it doesn't agree with the views of the majority of US
>  hams. (and it clearly conflicts with the desire of most wannabes who
>  decide to stay away rather than subject themselves to the hazing ritual
>  of CW testing.)


Funny, these groups have THEIR OWN agenda that helps their OWN members.  Can
you even cite 1 example where AMSAT lobbied for your cause??  I think not.  Ye
t
the ARRL has given 1000's of $$$ to support Amsat.  Plan and simple, the ARRL
is the only
lobby in Washington.  Do you see CQ there or W5YI???  I think not


>
>  Stupid questions like "Seen any Clover pileups lately?" and dozens more
>  that show complete ignorance of the new technology that's available and
>  the inability/unwillingness to understand its benefits/value, and how
>  the future of ham radio depends on progress, not stagnation.
>

Funny, all the new technology you propose seems to be geared towards
VHF+.  A no code license is perfect, where's all the techno-weinies
you keep saying that code holds back???  why aren't they perfecting
new amazing techo-wizardrey for the VHF+ frequencies??



Tell you what Kar-el.  You give me 6 convincing reasons how a no code HF licen
se is
going to save the HF bands, where code is being used on a regular basis, and I
 will take up
the cause.

I want YOU to cite examples of HF band loss, how the HF bands are under attack
by commercial interests.  How the HF bands will benefit by the increased numbe
rs
of operators.  In short, tell me a great a wise sooth sayer, say me some sooth

Steve


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:16 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: 7 Sep 1996 12:32:15 GMT
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>   [e-mail]%1:2619/211.9 ([e-mail]%1:2619/211.9) writes:

>  I think you meant "quite" happy not "quick" happy ...

Yes, that's correct Mr anal retentive, it's quite, not quick.  It;s hard
to type without hands.



>  So you're not willing to "put your money where your mouth is" and help
>  finance a more meaningful survey??? I suspect you're probably convinced
>  you'd not like the outcome. (i.e., the fall of the status quo that you
>  apparently love so much.


Not in the least, i chose not to spend my hard earned money like this.  Since
you
offered, i saw no reason to "throw my 2 cents in"



>  >> (Carl wrote)
>  >>>>My view is that the public interest would best be served by a vital,
>  >>>>growing, technically-progressive amateur radio service, not a bunch of
>  >>>>increasingly senile old-timers whose primary interest is in protecting
>  >>>>"their" bands from newcomers and new modes that they can't comprehend.
>  >>>>
>  >
>  >Well old timer, what makes you think they can't comprehend?
>
>  Stupid questions like "Seen any Clover pileups lately?" and dozens more
>  that show complete ignorance of the new technology that's available and
>  the inability/unwillingness to understand its benefits/value, and how
>  the future of ham radio depends on progress, not stagnation.


all your new technology is for the VHF+ bands, which is accessable with
a noncode (new term) license.  how does HF benefit from this new technology.

I ask you specifically since you are the holder of several patent leather shoe
s
have reached the moon without need of a spacecraft and have held
a commercial license since 1975, which btw, was a multiple choice type of test
.

So please, as stated before cite examples

and I ask again, is your real name Vince?  seems you and he are never on at th
e
same time  Hmmmmm????  you don't suppose???  Nahhhh

steve


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] wrote:

>agray ... he's right ... I've worked with those Washington lawyers ...
>even when you look at the ones who "specialize in communications law",
>most of them don't know jack about radio ...  they know some "buzz
>words" and they know the laws and their loopholes and they know the
>"good old boy Washington bureaucrat circuit."

>BTW ... how many lawyers does it take to shingle a house???

>Depends on how thin you slice them!

>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]

Jeez, I hope Phil doesn't read this.  Especially after you just warned me
about fencing with him......

73, Jim KH2D





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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, John Nelson wrote:

> Michael P. Deignan wrote:
>
> > So we should base what the ARS does on what happens in other services?
>
> Well, I guess we've settled another one. The ARS is, in fact, the only
> place where CW is used anymore.

Wrong.  The US military (e.g. US Army Special Forces, USMC, etc.) and
various intelligence agencies all still use CW and probably will continue
to do so, but the people you find in these kinds of activities are the
cream of the crop and are highly motivated individuals who apply personal
skills to communications solutions instead of always relying on some kind
of appliance. Fortunately for us, they haven't applied "dumbing down" to
their activities yet.

> To answer your question, yes, we should base what the ARS does on what
> happens in other services.

Wrong again.  The Amateur Radio Service (ARS) is NOT the other services
and what we do is independent of what they do.

If the ARS is merely a duplication to benefit hobbyists, and that's
exactly how the powers that be at the FCC are beginning to perceive us
now, it is doomed.  We were once considered a National Technical Resource
(FCC Rules, Part 97, Section 97.1[e]), but with every store-bought
transceiver and every licensee who enters the ARS who truly has no idea
what is going inside the cabinet and really doesn't care, the further
we're getting away from that and the closer we get to the end of the line.

>Whatever happened to "developing the art"?

It's still out here, but it's becoming harder and harder to find, thanks
at least to partially to qualifying for a license through rote
memorization and the conversion to an Amateur Service that is only
interested in buying expensive toys that more closely resemble a Walkman
or a stereo set than a piece of communications equipment.  Some claim that
operating digital modes is "developing the art" as you call it, but
where's the "art" in buying an box and plugging it into a PC that 's
loaded with software to do all the work? Absolutely all it takes is an
ability to read the box's instruction manual.  Virtually the same is true
with space communication except it's usually just more expensive. The
bottom line is that adopting pre-assembled commercial technology simply
doesn't qualify.

There's one place I know of for sure where Amateur Radio is alive, well,
and thriving.  Try QRP.  However, if you do, you'll have to join a "cream
of the crop" fraternity that tries hard to do more with less, both
operationally and technically, but (shudder!) you may have to learn to
operate CW!  It seems that's the only mode that does well at power output
levels under a watt.

73,
Tony Stalls, K4KYO




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Date: 02 Sep 96 23:02:38
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Organization: American Information Systems, Inc.

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>Now if we could only find a gadget that could help you overcome your
>code handicap...er challenge :)

Why, after I've said it about eighty times, can't you folks get it
through your heads: I KNOW THE CODE, I PASSED A CW TEST!!!

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]



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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:20 1996
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In <50rpv7$[e-mail]>, Ed Hare <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>The folks who put the amateur 2-meter and 70-centimeter bands on the
>plate for the little LEOs probably honestly believed that they could be
>legitimate sharing partners.  They are not looking to be primary in
>the amateur bands.  I don't know whether they are seeking to be primary
>in any of the many other frequencies they put on the plate, but it is
>quite likely that they are not.
>

Ed, I can't believe that you are actually naieve enough to believe that
..  they're technical folks ...  they understand the realities of
weak-signal satellite links ...  they know that the 2m and 70cm are
already quite heavily occupied (by amateur standards, considering the
present state of technology in wide-spread use by amateurs). Actually,
if the ARRL IS naieve enough to believe what you said above, it should
immediately raise a serious question about the ARRL's ability to
"protect" our allocations by recognizing potential threats ...

They're not going to spend a few hundreds of millions of dollars to
launch their constellations of satellites and then passively accept the
interference they'd get ...

They're hoping to "get their foot in the door" ... plain and simple ...
and IF they do, once they launch their systems and "discover that their
sharing plans don't work after all"  they'll be back at the FCC in a
heartbeat, complaining about interference and seeking to "move the hams"
..  guaranteed!

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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[e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan) wrote:

>In article <50rpv7$[e-mail]>, Ed Hare  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>In this case, I think the sheer volume of the response certainly got
>>their attention.

>There is no reason to think that the volume of response would be any
>more or less "sheer" if there wasn't a codeless tech license. The one
>thing that the 220mhz spectrum loss taught amateurs was the ability to
>mobilize when our spectrum is threatened.

If I recall correctly, the Tecnician class license showed a dramatic
increase after the code requirement was removed.  I believe that if all
the folks who were part of the increase were not licensed, the number of
responses would have been reduced correspondingly.

>>I feel comfortable estimating that a significant number of the response >>ca
me from "no-code" Technicians.

>I don't believe there is any legitimate basis for this feeling. Is there
>any reason to suspect that the ratio of codeless techs that responded
>is in any manner higher than the ratio of other license classes that use
>VHF on a regular basis?

Even if the ratio of codeless techs to other users were LESS than what
one would expect from a head count, the number would still have been
"significant."

Ed






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From: [e-mail] (John E Hunt)
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Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
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In article <50nvqg$[e-mail]> [e-mail] replies to [e-mail]
(Steve - KF2TI) :
>>
>
>That's exactly his point ... while there's more than one way to get to
>the top of the mountain (old-fashioned climbing vs. modern helicopter)
>skills in the first have NOTHING TO DO WITH qualifications for the
>second.
>
>This is EXACTLY the situation we have with the CW test ... it has
>NOTHING to do with operating other (modern) HF modes.
>
>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]
>
>
If you fly your helicopter to the top of the mountain and crash, you
may wish that you knew how to climb mountains.

HF is world wide communication. I believe that CW was made a requirement
for its use in emergencies, not because it prevented interference or
limited the number of hams. I believe it still has a valid use in
emergency situations.

If my equipment is still operational in an emergency, CW will not be
my mode of first choice. However, if the disaster crushes my equipment
I hope there are HF operators that can copy my CW transmissions, because
I may be able to build a CW transmitter from the rubble, but I would not
try to build a computer, tnc and radio from the rubble.

John K7SII



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:25 1996
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In <50ps5d$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>
>You shouldn't try to elevate yourself above others - that only increases
>the hostility the young pups, like Spew, feel towards the OTers.
>

I'm not trying to "elevate myself above others" ... you and others have
challenged my technical qualifications on the basis that I'm "just a
technician" (an OT, with-code, with [somewhat] less watered-down old
General written test) ...

I was specifically asked about my commercial license ... and a
commercial license-like test (more comprehensive technical, on the order
of the current extra class written) was also suggested by someone as an
alternative testing path to HF access without a code test.

Maybe instead of worrying if someone else is "trying to elevate himself"
you should concern yourself more with your (and other pro-coder's)
propensity for trying to degrade others and dissmiss their intelligence
and technical competency on the basis of their lack of a code test
certificate???

Carl - wa6vse
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From: Jim Cummings <[e-mail]>
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On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Alan Larson wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]> you write:
>
> >No doubt they do.  But unlike in the amateur service where one must
> >submit oneself to an examination in order to confirm if the Pavlovian
> >conditioning attributed to learning Morse code has indeed been
> >successful, a helicopter pilot need not prove that he/she does not have
> >to prove that they have the skills to climb a mountain to reach the top
> >before they are allowed to do so in their conveyance of choice.
>
>
>   You know, if you don't like the U.S. requirements, why don't you move
> to Canada?
>

What an odd thing to ask since I live in Canada.  In any case,
what's how is my domicile relevant to the quotation?

>
>       Alan
>

73 and live better digitally
Jim, VE3XJ



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In <514e14$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Zack Widup) writes:
>
>What was probably THE major DXpedition of the decade, 3Y0PI (Peter I Island)
>had their digital equipment smashed in transit to "the most inaccesible
>place in the world". (See page 82 of the 3Y0PI book.)
>
>They carried on with 60,000 QSOs on CW and SSB. By the time they got the
>digital mode equipment going, they were only able to make about 1200 QSO's.
>
>73, Zack W9SZ
>--


So the "built the CW (and SSB) gear (they used) from the rubble of the
smashed digital gear," right???

As Gary (and I and others have) said "get real"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The CW/SSB rig could just as well have been the one that got smashed ...
the "luck of the draw" in this case does not merit ANY special
consideration for CW ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:29 1996
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Michael P. Deignan wrote:

> So we should base what the ARS does on what happens in other services?

Well, I guess we've settled another one. The ARS is, in fact, the only
place where CW is used anymore.

To answer your question, yes, we should base what the ARS does on what
happens in other services. The others have found it useless. Most
prospective members of the ARS do likewise. The other services are
developing a voracious appetite for spectrum. The other services are
working hard to get as much throughput out of their investment in
equipment AND spectrum as possible. The ARS is doing precious little of
any of this. Whatever happened to "developing the art"?
>
> Should area gun owners all get automatic weapons now because the local
> police are?

You disappoint me.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:32 1996
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From: John Nelson <[e-mail]>
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Steve - KF2TI, NJ wrote:

> HUH???? What????   that is one of the weirdest comparisons I have yet to see
.
>
> helicopter pilots put alot of time and practice into attaining their license
s (certifications).
> a better comparison would be allowing airplane pilots to get their licenses
without ever having to learn IFR.
> Why should they, they only fly when the sun is out, IFR is passe, I never us
e it or need it.

Now THAT is a weird comparison, also wrong. There are tens of thousands of
private pilots who "got their license" without learning IFR. No, the two
hours one spends on IFR procedures in preparation for the private license is
NOT "learning IFR", as is painfully evident in the number of VFR aircraft
lost when their pilot's found themselves in IMC.

More to the point, one can learn to fly WITHOUT IFR. If one wishes to fly in
IMC, one can jump through the extra hoops and learn that set of skills. No
one is forced to learn something that he/she will never use.

>
> mountain climbers do so by choice and they practice their skills to achieve
a level
> of competency, unlike the whinny crybaby give HF cause i want it types.
>
> tell you what....I'll arrange to give you all HF privledges without practici
ng or taking
> any code if you'll climb Mt. McKinley without ever having climbed before.
>
> In fact, I'll make sure you get your new codeless HF license on the way down
 (SPLAT)


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:33 1996
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From: Jim.Kehler%1:2619/211.9 (Jim Kehler%1:2619/211.9)
Date: 03 Sep 96 03:41:32
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To: Jim Kehler%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
Organization: PacRim Golf Accessories

[e-mail] wrote:

>And if we're so dependent on "rice boxes" that we'll have nothing to
>operate without them and shrivel up an blow away, we're not fulfilling a
>major part of the "purpose" set out in the Rules as justification for
>our existence ... you keep forgetting (or conveniently ignoring) that
>"purpose" part ...

All part of the problem with the new breed, Carl.  You've been a ham
for 20 years, right ?  When you got started, how many companies were
advertising 10 METER DIPOLES for sale in QST ?  When you hooked
up your first TNC, did you BUY a READY MADE cable to go to your
radio ?  I doubt it. At least I sure hope not.

The 'new breed' may be more computer literate, but they sure appear to
be more soldering iron lame, if they have to BUY dipoles and TNC cables.

You best hope Icom and Kenwood and Yayhoo don't go away, because
I doubt too many nocode tech's will be building HT's from scratch.

Hafa Adai,
Jim KH2D





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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:36 1996
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Date: 02 Sep 96 20:13:27
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>You can try to convince us that the public service aspects of amateur
>radio will keep the service alive but most of us already know better.
>
>If we, as a group, don't spend enough on new equipment and related
>materials to keep the ham manufacturers alive and well, the amateur
>service will die off quickly. That's a big part of the problem we're
>seeing right now. A growing number of amateur manufacturers are in
>financial trouble; more and more amateur dealers are gone or on the way
>out of business- all symptoms of the current poor health of amateur
>radio.

WHAT?????????????   Are you TOTALLY nuts????

Since when did:

(Amateur Radio) = (Icom .or.  Yaesu .or.  Kenwood .or.  (whoever)) ????

Amateur radio has NOTHING to do with any of those companies or their
survival ... they could all go belly-up tonight at midnight and amateur
radio would survive (not that their respective egos would accept that
premise ... I'm sure they all think they're the "be-all and end-all" of
ham radio an we couldn't survive without their blessings being bestowed
upon us.

You apparently never built anything, right?  It would do you a world of
good to learn how (as it would to most of the brass-pounding appliance
operators out there ...)

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:37 1996
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From: [e-mail]%1:2619/211.9 ([e-mail]%1:2619/211.9)
Date: 02 Sep 96 20:17:06
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>No, just the product of a good spell checker and lots of spare time (you
>know, not wasting time actually being on the air <grin>

Actually, though I have a spell checker, I only use it when I'm writing
a formal document in the word processor application ... not when I'm
banging out posts or e-mail in the newsreader or mailer ... both of
which use the EPM editor as their default editor, because I've to a PGP
shell patched into EPM.
(so, to be honest, I screw up a word or make a typo from time to time,
too in this mode)

Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:38 1996
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John Nelson wrote:
>
> Michael P. Deignan wrote:
>
> > So we should base what the ARS does on what happens in other services?
>
> Well, I guess we've settled another one. The ARS is, in fact, the only
> place where CW is used anymore.
>
> To answer your question, yes, we should base what the ARS does on what
> happens in other services. The others have found it useless. Most
> prospective members of the ARS do likewise. The other services are
> developing a voracious appetite for spectrum. The other services are
> working hard to get as much throughput out of their investment in
> equipment AND spectrum as possible. The ARS is doing precious little of
> any of this. Whatever happened to "developing the art"?
> >
> > Should area gun owners all get automatic weapons now because the local
> > police are?
>
> You disappoint me.


Why are some people so concerned about removing the morse requirment
because of the "threat" that other services will take our spectrum?  I
know of no such threat to the HF spectrum.  The spectrum being threatened
is that spectrum already available to "no code" license holders.  So get
on up there and "develop" and "grow" and "use" to your hearts content.

Why are the majority of packet stations still using archaic 1200 baud,
when all those "technically expert" no-code technicians are licensed up
there?  Compared to the state of the art, morse is no more outdated than
1200 baud packet.  Why aren't these self-proclaimed technical gurus
running the "high speed digital modes" on VHF/UHF they say they would
implement on HF, if only it weren't for the code testing requirement
keeping them out?  I think those 56KB high speed digital modes would be
less of a technical challenge on UHF than HF.  Faced with the
challenge of upgrading the archaic packet modes on VHF and UHF, I'm
surprised that any of them would even give a moment's consideration to
HF.  They should be too busy implementing all these technical
breakthroughs they are keeping up their sleeve until the morse requirment
is eliminated.

When they prove they can accomplish these wondrous "high speed digital"
feats on UHF/VHF, they might be able to convince me they have a shot at
pulling it off on HF.


73,

Jim - AD4VL


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:39 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
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>   [e-mail] writes:

 too many existing hams really don't have
>  a clue about the radio part (but they can copy xwpm CW) ...  they just
>  memorized some multiple guess questions.

Gee, what a slap at those who aspired  to rise above the status quo
and work towards better themselves.  Kinda makes the no code agruement
the radio equiv. to a welfare state

insults are the last recourse of a weak agruement


>  As for the commercial license equivalent, I passed that in 1975, too.

I got mine in 1972, and you point is????


>  Carl - wa6vse
>  [e-mail]


steve KF2TI
>
>
>>>>



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[e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio) writes:

>You can now schedule contacts with hams all over the world simply and
>easily by using the WWW and e-mail.I have set aside a section of my web

I'd like to know what the point of DXing is if it is prearranged? I can
see it now, just a few years away:

"And I got this DXCC without ever having to turn the frequency knob. Just
fed my Internet hyper-linker into my 1000MP and used the voice synth/recognize
r
in the PC to make the contacts. Hell, half the contacts were made while I
wasn't even in the house!"

Regards,
Pete
KS4XG


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From: [e-mail] (Allan Risk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Can old PK-232 (no MBX and 1988 firmware) be upgraded
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I have an older model pk-232.  Does anyone have any information on bringing it

up to date or even if it is possible.


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:41 1996
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Subject: Re: Can old PK-232 (no MBX and 1988 firmware) be upgraded
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Allan Risk ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have an older model pk-232.  Does anyone have any information on
: bringing it up to date or even if it is possible.
: --

Allan,

I also have a 1988 PK-232 which I first upgraded to an MBX in 1991 and this
year I bought the latest upgrade which includes PACTOR and GPS functions.

It should cost you about $ US 75+tax.

Hope this helps,

Gilbert VE6GES.


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Changes to rec.radio.* heirarchy?
Date: 6 Sep 1996 22:17:19 -0400
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[e-mail] writes:

> Jim ... you're right ... they can kill-file it, or simply skip past the
> header without reading the post ...

Newsgroups have charters for a specific reason. To segregate discussion
for the convenience of the community. Attempts to force conversation
from one group to another (off charter) is merely being anti-social.


> I think many of the complainers simply want to squelch the debate by
> burying it in a sub-sub group.

Funny, but I thought .misc and .policy were at the same "sub-sub" level.


> policy is not carried as widely as .misc from my experience ...

There is a reason for that.


> (my old
> ISP didn't carry it), and I've heard by e-mail from many others that
> they don't get .policy either ...

That would tell the average person something. Mainly, they're not
interested in reading about a code/no-code debate.

MD
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--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:43 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code Vs No-Code. End The Cry!!!
Date: 6 Sep 1996 02:22:10 GMT
Organization: American Information Systems, Inc.
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In <[e-mail]>, AC6V <[e-mail]> writes:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>> If the King doesn't want to read the code/no-code debate the King should
>> ask his 10-16 year old child (or neighbor kid) "How do I set up a
>> 'kill-file'??
>>
>> Carl - wa6vse
>> [e-mail]
>
>Insults are the last recourse of a weak argument.
>
>73
>Rod in San Diego

Rod ... what was insulting?

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Barnes)
Subject: College Ham Group needs help
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Hello,

Apparently my other messages got deleted without explanation so I'll try
this again.

I am one of the officers in a college ham radio organization.  We are a
student club representing ham radio in the University of Georgia.  Due to
limited funds available for student organizations, we currently receive
absolutely no funding from the University.

We are seeking ideas from fellow friends and hams on how to go about
receiving funds/used equipments from corporations and other sources.  If
you have any ideas on who to write to for help or where we can obtain
used equipment please send me mail at [e-mail]

So far our only equipment consists of two VHF radios and a handmade
repeater controller that make up a low powered VHF repeater.  Any help in
obtaining funding or used equipment for our club would be greatly
appreciated.

We have great plans for our club but can't do it without help from somewhere.

Thanks,

Joe Barnes, KE4SWE
BARC - Bulldog Amateur Radio Club (University of Georgia -Athens, GA)

P.S. I forgot to mention, if anyone has ideas for us but would like to
verify us, we *are* ARRL affiliated and also can be verified through the
Office of Student Affairs at the University.  We are an official
University Club.

Maybe this message won't get deleted. :)




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (David M Schertzer)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Dead Batt + Freezer = NEW Batteery?
Date: 5 Sep 1996 06:55:08 GMT
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I figured this wud be a gud subjuct fer answers. I had a DEAD
camcorder battery which lasted abt 2 mins on the machine.
My buddy who has NO electronic experiance and iz NOT a
Ham told me this: "Put it in a zip-lock bag and throw it in
the deep freezer fer 24hrs "  I laughed but, IT WORKED!!

The battery is NEW as ever. Lasts abt 2hrs and works fine,
maybe better than before? So what happened?  I've got an old
DEAD nicad fer my ht...will that work also? I'm not a scientist and
wud like sum insight in this subj plse....Thanks alot...
Saved be abt $45 or so .....

Oak Harbor, WA   USA
Ham Radio - VE7-LFA/W7
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:48 1996
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From: Tom Hoke <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DX Finder
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 16:25:56 -0600
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Checkout:
http://www.hic.net/tomcat/Index.shtml
and you will discover a spreadsheet that does everything but back
flips while it provides you with everything you ever wanted but
didn't know who to ask!  You enter your longitude and your latitude,
and the spreadsheet gives you data in alphabetical order by prefix
for every ARRL DX Country, along with country names, latitudes and
longitudes, direction to turn your beam (for once you will know
where to point it!), and the distance away for every country in the
world in miles and in kilometers.  (No, it does not predict the weather,
but it could be "easily adapted" for marine use.....

73's & gud DX,

K5ODZ
(x-HC1TH)


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:49 1996
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From: Steve Kagan <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Family Radio Service (FRS) equipment?
Date: 10 Sep 1996 00:35:12 -0400
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Not only does that new Radio Shack offering have only the seven
467 mHz channels (missing the seven 462 mHz ones), but it has no
provision for PL squelch (either tone or digital), nor can it scan.

The radio may be set internally to any one of the seven channels.
I think the user can do that with DIP switches, but it's a
one-channel (at a time) radio.  And in addition to having only a
seven-channel capability (one at a time), it cannot be programmed
from the front panel, has no channel switch, and has no tone pad.

In any case, might Radio Shack be planning a more featured radio?
The current one is a pretty high-priced, though low-featured,
Motorola-manufactured set.

Radio Shack's (license-required) GMRS radio offerings include a
Motorola-made one, plus a less-expensive (but more-featured) scanning
Radio-Shack-branded model.  Again thoough, neither has any type of PL
(tone squelch), and lacks a front-panel number pad.

So, could anyone post whether other manufacturers are going to
offer Family Radio Service equipment?  Those who know about that
seven-channel (one-channel-at-a-time) Radio Shack/Motorola FRS
product will agree that it's a mighty weak starting entry, indeed.
                                                                     Steve


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Carl S. Littlejohns)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FDK 750e info/reources please?
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 06:58:38 GMT
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Hi
Can anyone point me to internet resources/info on the FDK Multi
750e a now ageing multimode mobile for 2m (with option on 70cm
and 6m)

(I'm posting this to a few groups, sorry for dupes received)
carl [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:51 1996
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From: "Pat Wilson" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Festering wound ! (0/1)
Date: 10 Sep 1996 01:39:13 GMT
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Let's see.  If YOU'RE and YOU'RE.  A positive note for you.  Read the
sentence and ask should it be YOU ARE, then you know to use YOU'RE not YOUR
the possessive version.  I'm positive you needed that lesson.

[e-mail] wrote in article <512c3b$[e-mail]>...
> Don't bother E-mailing me any of your "negitive responses" to this post.
Anything like that would be illogical,
> and selfincriminatting.
> IF YOUR NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOUR PART OF THE PROBLEM !
>
> Matthew A. Erickson
> Paige,TX. (consult Rand Mcnally)
> INTERNET ADDRESS;  [e-mail]
>
> "EVERYONE, is entitled to their OWN, opinion, BUT, that does not mean I'm

> REQUIRED, to listen to it !"
>


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:52 1996
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From: Gary Watts <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Festering wound ! (0/1)
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:43:04 -0500
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Pat,
I now know why I can NOT read any of the map's
I wonder if Rand Mcnally checks up on their consultants
Maybe I should forward this public message to them for proper review ?

I could not find the attachment. Looks like Mathpew forgot to attach it
Gary


On 10 Sep 1996, Pat Wilson wrote:

> Let's see.  If YOU'RE and YOU'RE.  A positive note for you.  Read the
> sentence and ask should it be YOU ARE, then you know to use YOU'RE not YOUR
> the possessive version.  I'm positive you needed that lesson.
>
> [e-mail] wrote in article <512c3b$[e-mail]>...
> > Don't bother E-mailing me any of your "negitive responses" to this post.
> Anything like that would be illogical,
> > and selfincriminatting.
> > IF YOUR NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOUR PART OF THE PROBLEM !
> >
> > Matthew A. Erickson
> > Paige,TX. (consult Rand Mcnally)
> > INTERNET ADDRESS;  [e-mail]
> >
> > "EVERYONE, is entitled to their OWN, opinion, BUT, that does not mean I'm
>
> > REQUIRED, to listen to it !"
> >
>
>


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:53 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Matthew A. Erickson
Paige,TX. (consult Rand Mcnally)
INTERNET ADDRESS;  [e-mail]

"EVERYONE, is entitled to their OWN, opinion, BUT, that does not mean I'm
REQUIRED, to listen to it !"


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:53 1996
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From: George Andrews <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FOR SALE
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 1996 12:52:20 -0300
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I have a Kenwood TH26AT Handheld VHF (fully modified to transmit/receive
100 - 200 Mhz (GREAT SCANNER) with following accessories:

        2.5w Battery woth charger
        5.0w Battery with desk-top charger
        5/8 telescopic antenna
        rubber duck antenna
        extneded speaker mike
        hard leather case
        manual

Price: $350.00 Canadian dollars ( Firm)


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:55 1996
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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Free at last.
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 06:29:24 -0400
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Frank Sved wrote:
^Z^Z^Z^Z^Z^Z^^Z^Z^Z^Z^Z and a few more ^Z^Z^Z^Z^Z  We fell asleep the
first time around and now you're boreing us to eternal death with the
same platitudes and inept postings.

In other words I sound just like the typical ham contact.

#================#==================================================#
|  Burt Fisher   |  Teacher of video, broadcasting and electronics  |
| Amateur call   |         South Dennis, Ma. (Cape Cod)             |
|    K1OIK       |  The less you say, the more people will remember |
#================#==================================================#
|                            [e-mail]                       |
#===================================================================#

http://www.qrz.com/cgi-bin/qrz_gifs?k1oik.gif


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: FS: All Ham Bands, Reply to Republican Congress
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 12:32:32 GMT
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[e-mail] (Richard Dunmyer) wrote:

>T  E  I  X  E  I  R  A <[e-mail]> wrote:


>>>The Democrats screw up and the Republicans have a party. Then the
>>>Republicans screw up and the Democrats have a party.
>>>
>>>This is known as the 'two-party' system.
>>>
>>Yea.....Politicians treat us like Mushrooms.........They keep us in the dark
 and feed us Bull
>>Shit!

>>Dole ain't worth a damn & Clinton is a Republican in a Democrats cloths.

>I respectfully disagree with the above statement....Dole isn't worth a
>damn but Clinton is a Marxist Liberal who is lying to appeal to the
>mainstream america....Most folks actually believe what he says...He
>will be elected in a landslide and then may God have mercy on us all!


>Illigitimi non carborundum
I agree and I can't belive that 55% of the country is going to fall
for it.

          "73" Gary KF9CM




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:57 1996
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Subject: Re: FS: All Ham Bands, Reply to Republican Congress
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Jeff Stevenson wrote:
>
> In article <50u7fa$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary) wrote:
> >>I respectfully disagree with the above statement....Dole isn't worth a
> >>damn but Clinton is a Marxist Liberal who is lying to appeal to the
> >>mainstream america....Most folks actually believe what he says...He
> >>will be elected in a landslide and then may God have mercy on us all!
> >
> >
> >>Illigitimi non carborundum
>
> >I agree and I can't belive that 55% of the country is going to fall
> >for it.
> >
> >          "73" Gary KF9CM
> >
> >
>
> In that case then, you are what is known as the "minority".  During your
> tenure as the "minority" you may voice your opinion as loudly as possible an
d
> participate in the whole process to the fullest extent possible.  Four years
> from now  then you will have the opportunity to be in the "majority."
>
> Jeff

Maybe-


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:41:59 1996
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From: Porchnoy <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.policy
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Jeff Stevenson) writes:
>
> Look, you guys. This is an INTERNATIONAL newsgroup where the subject is
> supposed to be about Amateur Radio, not American politics.
>
> This discussion long ago ceased to be on topic.
>
> Please give the rest of the world some consideration and leave the
> discussion of American politics, fascinating as it may be to you, to
> other, more appropriate newsgroups.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob, VE7HS
>
> [e-mail]  Robert Smits, VE7HS, Ladysmith B.C.
If you really want to be bored, let's talk about Canadian politics.
--
Fixing used Volvos is probably easier and more fun than
trying to get Abe Lincoln re-admitted to Pat Buchanan's
party [the Republican Party].
   -- Editorial: The New York Times (August 14, 1996)


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:00 1996
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From: Peter.Paluzzi.%1:2619/211.9 (Peter Paluzzi %1:2619/211.9)
Date: 03 Sep 96 04:24:52
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FT-101E loading instructions ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: WoodyWare Software, Inc.
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To: Peter Paluzzi %1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: Peter Paluzzi <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: FT-101E loading instructions ?
Organization: Sterling Software, NASA Ames

If you contact YAESU, the will sell you the complete technical manual
with info on all of the FT-101 line.  It is well worth it.  If you have
access to a WWW browser, point it at:

http://www.yaesu.com

and drill down to the world wide addresses and phone numbers.

The procedure is to is to tune the preselector at reduced current (.1 a
or less) for a null and then advance to full operating current
(approximately 280 ma) to tune the loading which is usually set to 3-5
depending upon the band setting.  At this current you twiddle the
loading, preselector and drive to get the best null at the target
current.  I haven't tuned up mine in a while so I doing this largely
from recollection.  Caveat emptor!  Get the manual.  By the way, keep
the time the transmitter is continuously on to 10 sec. or less until you
are satisfied with the tuning--this will save your finals!

Pete Paluzzi
N6YEO

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:01 1996
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From: PY2RN.%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666 (PY2RN %1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666)
Date: 04 Sep 96 18:04:00
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Subject: FT5200 9600??
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From: PY2RN <[e-mail]>
Subject: FT5200 9600??
Organization: SP-GW.AMPR.ORG

Hi,

If you know how to make the Yaesu Ft-5200 operational on packet
at 9600bps (Where do I connect the tx/rx wires) could you please
send it to me?

Thank you.

Ed, PY2RN

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
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Subject: Re: Ham Radio as an *ENJOYABLE*  Hobby
Date: 11 Sep 1996 02:56:55 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> The primary goal of the group will be to fill an existing void by
>> providing an enjoyable forum for the discussion of technical, operating
>> and social topics of interest to radio amateurs.
>
>What a novel idea!  :^)  Here's hoping it catches on.
>--
>Dick Flanagan, W6OLD - ([e-mail]) - Minden, Nevada

You know, this is why we created Ham Radio Online. Ham Radio is actually a hec
k
of a lot of fun!!!! And we are trying our best to report on the fun that most
hams (who have not discovered the Internet :) ) are having on the air, buildin
g
antennas, tinkering with equipment, or slogging through a forest on a voluntee
r
search/rescue mission.

Stop on by and enjoy our web site, http://www.hamradio-online.com - now read i
n
43 countries around the globe.

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:04 1996
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From: Bruno Rosenthal <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Ham radio stores in Canada
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:03:20 -0700
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Hello Friend,
Don't know whether it's the right newsgrp (it's my first try anyway), so
apologize for inconvenience caused if not.

I'm going to Canada in 10 days. I'm looking for ham radio shops in
Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec (all cities on my trip).

Thanks for your help

73, Bruno


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Ham Radio.FAQ Now on WWW
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                  Announcing NEW Ham Radio.FAQ

This file started as a regular USENET posting called "rec.radio.amateur
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contributors. The file was abandoned in 1994 and has been resurrected
now on the WWW for currency and convenience.

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Please provide a copy of the Ham Radio.FAQ to any new or soon-to-be Hams
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:06 1996
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From: Kevin.Lo%1:2619/211.9 (Kevin Lo%1:2619/211.9)
Date: 04 Sep 96 16:57:23
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM/INTERNET Server
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To: Kevin Lo%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: [e-mail] (Kevin Lo)
Subject: Re: HAM/INTERNET Server

In article <50inqr$[e-mail]>, @cu.comp-unltd.com says...
> I am not a ham radio operator, but I am interested in the possibility
> of using a HAM radio in conjunction with a computer to gain remote
> internet access.  I have talked with a HAM operator and he told me
> that it is possible to communicate with a computer and a radio using a
> "node" and a software program called "packet".  From the other things
> we talked about it seemed like it should be possible to set up a node
> on an internet server computer and link it to a node on a remote PC.
>
> Is this possible?

  Sure is!

> Is anyone curently doing it?

  A lot of people- there are many Internet <--> Packet gateways. Try going to
http://www.ampr.org/ to find out more.

> If so, how fast is it (baud rate) and how much does the service cost?

  If you are connected through a packet modem, the speed is determined by how
fast your packet modem is. If it's 300 baud, then everything will crawl along,

even if the gateway is connected to a T1.

> How far can it be reliably used on a daily basis (how many miles)?

  Using an antenna, you can get as far as the antenna is good for. I doubt
you'd be able to access a packet --> internet gateway in southern california
from southern florida, especially on 2 meters. :) However, if you are going
backwards (internet --> packet), it all depends on which stations the packet
station are connected to is hooked up with.

Good Luck,
Kevin Lo

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:07 1996
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From: E. Kravitz <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Hamfest at Teaneck NJ ?
Date: 10 Sep 1996 02:17:42 GMT
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Anyone have info on this fest in October ?

--
Ed K. KB2NSP in Ocean City, NJ


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:08 1996
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From: [e-mail](RD Rick)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Info on Radio Beacons ...
Date: 10 Sep 1996 22:56:25 GMT
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In <514gm5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Deepak Bapna)
writes:

>We are doing a lunar rover demonstration project for NASA where we are
trying
>to demonstrate some robotic technologies needed for long distane/long
>duration lunar missions. For this project we need to point an antenna
>from a "moving" robot towards an antenna on a control tower located
>about 10 miles away (line-of-sight). We need to close the feedback
loop
>to make sure we are pointing in the right direction. The radio which
>we are planning to use (probably Airlink E1 radio from cylink) doesn't
>give us receive signal strength and we need other ways to find out the
>pointing error. Vision based techniques do not seem appropriate for
>such long range. Radio beacons are extensively used for airplanes etc.
>and seem appropriate. Any information on radio beacons or suggestions
>on other ways to close the feedback loop would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks a lot
>
>Deepak
>
>PS: I AM NOT A REGULAR BBOARD READER AAND WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU SEND
EMAILS IN RESPONSE.

You're the one getting paid.  You figure it out.
RD



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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:09 1996
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From: "Tom T." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.misc
Subject: Re: Info on Radio Beacons ...
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 22:00:58 -0700
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Jim Weir wrote:

> Well, yes, but...(1) He spammed every newsgroup remotely interested, not
>  (2) To be told that he doesn't
> have the time to come back to all the groups he spammed and he wants

Ah, I wasn't aware that such was the case. I tend to agree in that case!

                -Tom


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Conrad)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Info-Hams Digest V96 #1006
Date: 6 Sep 96 16:38:56 GMT
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At 04:21 PM 9/5/96 PDT, Info-Hams Mailing List and Newsgroup wrote:

>Date: 5 Sep 1996 11:40:22 GMT
>From: [e-mail] (Joanne Dow)
>Subject: INMARSAT COMMS
>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>   Steve Kramer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Does anyone know FOR SURE if INMARSAT carrys any nbFM voice?
>>Has anyone heard nbFM on INMARSAT?
>>
>>I have heard INMARSAT digital stuf using and R-7000 a preamp and a 4ft
>>fiberglass dish. But this was only temporary and it was quite cold
>>outside!!!
>
>No narrow band FM on Inmarsat I am afraid. Inmarsat-A uses a "medium"
>bandwidth FM, I believe. (I never had occaision to really look into it
>when I was working Inmarsat-M stuff, to tell the truth. Signal to noise
>and bandwidth considerations suggest it is a 50kHz or so deviation.)

You can receive INMARSAT-A quite easily with an R-7000/R-7100 type setup. I
use a 1 Meter dish with a dipole feed (don't really need circ with the gain
I have). This is connected to a 34db pre-amp (sub 1db noise fig) at the feed
and drives the R-7100. The "A" voice channels are quite intelligible using
either the Narrow or Wide FM selection on the receiver.

The easiest way to align a system live on the bird is using the AFRTS Feed
on 1537 Mhz (1.537 Ghz). It is always active and to my knowledge the only
way the general public can receive AFRTS. This is how the Navy gets the
Armed Forces Radio and Television audio feeds to the ships worldwide. To my
knowledge all the birds have this feed. I have personally verified that
AOR-W and AOR-E (Atlantic Operating Region East and West) birds have this
feed active.

..Jim

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:11 1996
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From: [e-mail]%1:2619/211.9 ([e-mail]%1:2619/211.9)
Date: 02 Sep 96 23:29:33
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: It's a sad state of affairs (was: 1,000,000 qsl cards thrown away pe
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To: [e-mail]%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: [e-mail]
Subject: It's a sad state of affairs (was: 1,000,000 qsl cards thrown away per
year)
Organization: American Information Systems, Inc.

In <50fvup$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Doug Wittich)
writes:
>
>It is a sad state of affairs when people want to abandon one of the
>hallmarks of the hobby.
>

Doug,

Sounds like another variation of the "logic" behind the "keep the code"
chant.

Just because something was relevant and meaningful to you (or someone
else) "in the good old days" does NOT mean that it will remain that way
forever and ever ... time passes and changes occur ...

There are many of us who would assert that it's a sad state of affairs
when the "establishment" is so crotchety and inflexible as to refuse to
accept change, progress, and modernization, even to the point of placing
our existence at risk ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]





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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:12 1996
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From: T   E   I   X   E  I   R   A <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Keep CW Requirement?...on radio show!
Date: 10 Sep 1996 17:23:11 GMT
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>Carl Stevenson, WA6VSE, a frequent poster on the newsgroups, and a
>supporter of getting rid of the CW requirement, not to mention many
>other opinions, will be the special guest this Sunday, 9-15-96, on the
>Ham Radio & More Show.

It is my own opinion that a No Code Tech is not qualified to speak on this sub
ject.

Don AC6TG




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Key Input Specs?
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:19:07 GMT
Organization: PacRim Golf Accessories
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"Rick Miller" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hi!

>Can someone tell me what open-circuit voltage and closed-circuit current
>the device attatched to the "key" input of a rig is supposed to be able to
>handle?  If 5 Volts and 25 mA is sufficient, I'll be a happy camper!

>Otherwise, I'll have to use a FET I guess.

>Rick Miller (kb9obn) [e-mail]

Give us a clue, Rick. Which 'rig' ?





From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: LDEs was (Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]> <50mqe5$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <50qde3$[e-mail]>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 05:19:08 GMT
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In article <50qde3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Zack Widup) wr
ites:
>I have also
>heard the weird amd fascinating sound of my own distorted CW signal coming
>back as an LDE on 20 meters.

Details please, how long was the delay, what sort of signal strength,
what exactly did it sound like, etc? LDEs are a mystery. Any first
hand accounts are eagerly awaited.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ken McCoy)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Melbourne Hamfest
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 13:07:45 GMT
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This weekend (Sept. 14-15, 1996).

Jim Finney <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Will someone tell me when and where the Melbourne, Florida hamfest is?

>Thanks,




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Aaron Morrison)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Melbourne Hamfest
Date: 10 Sep 1996 04:05:48 GMT
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Jim Finney ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Will someone tell me when and where the Melbourne, Florida hamfest is?
: Thanks,
: Jim..

The 31st Annual Melbourne Hamfest is September 14th and 15th, 1996.
Saturday hours are 0900AM-0500PM Saturday, and 0900AM-0400PM Sunday.

Location:  Melbourne Auditorium, 625 E. Hibiscus Blvd., Melbourne, FL
Talk in is on the 146.25/85 repeater.

(Probably more than you really wanted to know, but hey - I felt like
typing tonight <grin>)

73

--
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Orlando, FL         If you apply the super-string theory
                    to a rubber-sheet universe, do you get a bungee cord?

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:18 1996
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From: Stephen.H.Ponder.%1:2619/211.9 (Stephen H Ponder %1:2619/211.9)
Date: 04 Sep 96 11:48:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: NEEDED:  Galaxy 550 Manuals
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To: Stephen H Ponder %1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: Stephen H Ponder <[e-mail]>
Subject: NEEDED:  Galaxy 550 Manuals
Organization: Barrios Training Centre

I recently acquired a Galaxy GT-550 HF transceiver (accompanied by
the RV-550 Remote VFO).  Does anybody out there have a manual for
this rig?  Maybe we could work out a deal with the cost of photo-
copying and postage.

Thanks for your assistance!

Steve Ponder, N5WBI
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:19 1996
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From: A.G..von.Luternow%1:2619/211.9 (A.G. von Luternow%1:2619/211.9)
Date: 02 Sep 96 21:13:31
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Net on 14.345 @ ~2130Z?
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To: A.G. von Luternow%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: [e-mail] (A.G. von Luternow)
Subject: Net on 14.345 @ ~2130Z?
Organization: -

        I am curious, is there a net that meets on 14345 kHz around
2130Z?  If you wish to know why I am curious please respond via
E-mail.

tks es 73 de n4jvp
Fritz

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:21 1996
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From: "Johnny $" <"[e-mail]"@total.net>
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Subject: Re: New Web Site up and running
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 19:02:03 -0400
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Iain Grant wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Bob Allisat) wrote:
> >Skeeter Abell-Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>I tried www.wtv.net/sexcult for fun.
> >>Not sure what the point of that was.
> > The point is Sex as an
> > integral part of Culture.
> > Not as some isolated and
> > brutalized closet phenome.
> > Art, Love, Society, Truth,
> > Decency and Virtue are all
> > encompassed by Sexuality.
>
> Bob, no disrespect buddy, but you need to get laid somethin' fierce.
>
> Ig.
>
>                              \\|//
>                              (o o)
> -------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo---------------------------
> The Toronto Radio Web Pages
> http://www.io.org/~iain/
> Canadian Broadcasting on the NET.
> -------------------------------------------
> A great many people think they are thinking when
> they are merely rearranging their prejudices.
>
> -- William JamesHey Iain, I think you should change your initials to ID.
Get it ha ha...


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:23 1996
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From: George Weischadle <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Old callsigns?
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 20:57:38 -0700
Organization: Sattel Technologies, Inc.
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Does anyone know of an online source where I can look up old callsigns
from the 50s and 60s?  Please reply by email.  Thanks much.

73,
George KD6I


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Open Letter To Carl WA6VSE
Date: 11 Sep 1996 13:51:52 GMT
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
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Jim Kehler ([e-mail]) writes:
> I am writing this letter because I take issue with some of Carl WA6VSE's cla
ims.


 ====== snip ======

> liberties.
>
> Hafa Adai,
> Jim KH2D
>
> (http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)


Whoooooooaaaaaaa!!!!

Jim.  You've really outdone yourself today.  Did this guy pee in you Corn
Flakes?

--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:25 1996
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From: Hank Oredson <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 10:03:20 -0800
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Christopher K. Greenhalgh wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) wr
ites:
>
> >It only IS 9600 baud ready in YOUR opinion, and possibly Kenwood's.
>
> [subtle insults snipped]
>
> No Rob...thats a fact. Want to come over to my house? It spewing data
> as we speak at 9.6k.

With a TXD of 1.4 second, "spewing" is probably EXACTLY the right word!


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:26 1996
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From: Laser.Computer%1:2619/211.9 (Laser Computer%1:2619/211.9)
Date: 02 Sep 96 03:22:14
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Programming the Kenwood TH-79E
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Lines: 35

To: Laser Computer%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: [e-mail] (Laser Computer)
Subject: Programming the Kenwood TH-79E
Organization: Laser Computer Europe BV

Hello,

Have anyone information about programming the Kenwood TH-79E with your
computer ? .  I can't find any information how do do this.

I know it is possible because there is a programma called "EZCLONE"
whichs can programs your portable rig.

1) What kind of hardware is required ?
2) Where can I found information how to programs my portable rig. I
couldn't found anything in the manual or the Website of Kenwood.



Peter van der Plaat
PE1NZA





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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:27 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: QSL bureaus
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 18:51:05 -0700
Organization: Author
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction to get information about the
> QSL bureau closest to me (Richmond, VA, USA) and maybe some info on how
> to interact with them? (ie. Where do I send a SASE, etc..). I'm new to
> HF and don't know much about them yet.
>
> Thanks,
> Steven S. Spiroff N2TQZ/4


Hi Steven
For the ARRL's Incoming QSL Bureau System
Go to URL:
http://www.arrl.org/qsl/qslin.html

For the ARRL's Outgoing QSL Service
Go to URL:
http://www.arrl.org/qsl/qslout.html

Good Luck
Rod in San Diego
--
Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:28 1996
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From: Jed Barton <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: query on repeaters
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 00:09:34 -0400
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Hey there guys, is anyone familiar on how to hookup an s-com controler to
an icom repeater?  The controler that comes with the machine is   garbage
and I am planning on using an s-com controler.  Any help would be
appreciated.  Thanks and 73 from n1jbc.





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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Turiyan gold)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,alt.pirate.radio,alt.cellular.phone.tech
Subject: Question about some radios.
Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 13:28:46 GMT
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I posted this awhile ago.  In refrence to some fuckhead cops and
security guards trying to look bad a tough breathing down my neck.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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I have seen a few times when a police officer or security guard will
stand in one place and seem to be pressing a button on the radio with
a thumb.  Is this some kind of paging function or something?
Turiyan Gold [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 02:23:04 GMT
Organization: PacRim Golf Accessories
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I have a question. Or two. A what if.  What if we all decide to open HF to ham
s
with no code tests.  Where do we put them ?  Do we decide that HF is no longer
subdivided into band plans by license class and just call HF  'HF period' ?

Somewhere I keep seeing 'Support the No Code General'.  Does that mean
that no code proponents support giving the general phone bands to the
no code licenses and leaving the rest of the band as is ? Do we allow no code
licenses the use of the lower part of the bands, now used for CW and other
digital modes ?  Or do we keep them on SSB ?

I know you guys want a no code HF license. But I don't know exactly
what you expect to get when or if you get one.   I have seen a lot of 'logic'
from the Carl Clan supporting the 'plan', but I haven't seen much about what
'the plan' is.  That's why I am asking.

Hafa Adai,
Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:31 1996
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From: [e-mail].([e-mail] ([e-mail] (joe)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question on Ferrite Bar antennas
Date: 12 Sep 96 07:48:46
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 13:48:46 GMT
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Buch)
Subject: Re: Question on Ferrite Bar antennas
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Hello all-
>In a typical portable radio, the ferrite bar antenna has two coils.
>They are both connected to points on the circuit board near each other
>and at the "front end" of the radio Rx. Why are there two coils? I want to
>use a remote antenna and use only two connection wires (a connector).
>What is going on here?

>Thanks!

>Bob Nagy

The coil with the larger number of turns is resonated by the
tuning capacitor to the receive frequency.  The small coil
couples some of the energy to the first transistor through
magnetic transformer action.  The input impedance of a
bipolar transistor is fairly low requiring the impedance
transformation.  Coupling the transistor directly to the
resonant circuit could lower the selectivity to images and
reduce the receiver sensitivity.

If you can find a copy of the old RCA Transistor Manual they
have schematic diagrams in the back for lots of different
radio and electronic circuits.

Loosly couple your external antenna to the end of the larger
coil which is not grounded.  Watch out for overload and
static discharge which can zap your radio's RF transistor.


Joe Buch
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:32 1996
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From: Jim.Gyer%1:2619/211.9 (Jim Gyer%1:2619/211.9)
Date: 01 Sep 96 21:57:52
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Duobander?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: WoodyWare Software, Inc.
Lines: 31

To: Jim Gyer%1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: [e-mail] (Jim Gyer)
Subject: Re: Radio Shack Duobander?
Organization: Just my little old self

Yes, people at their stores are saying it.  Heard it from several
different stores.  It will be a handy talky version similar to the (2
meter only) HTX-202 model they sell now.  They have an internet home
page at: http://www.tandy.com

Best Jim Gyer KC7RKL ([e-mail])
======================================================================

Terrill <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I heard another ham on a repeater today saying Radio Shack is coming out
>with a 2m/220 duobander. Any info on that? Yeah or Nay?

>terry/n6eed



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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:33 1996
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From: <[e-mail]>
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Subject: re who enjoys cw
Date: 10 Sep 1996 11:42:51 GMT
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come on guys get with it.one of the purposes of ham
radio is to provide emergency communications now
suppose we have a national emergency with very
poor prop conditions are you guys on packet or the
other digital modes going to get the message across?
how about weak signal ssb condx i dont think so.
cw is king under these condx. call me a old fart or
one that resist changes if you want. but the trulth is
cw is a requirement for a ham license and i hope it
remains who needs another 11meter band type of
situation?by the way i failed the cw test 3 times 26
years for my novice but i now can copy 35 wpm plus
with cw. it just took a little hard work and study. and
while at it we should remove the answers to the
question pools and just have text to study to get rid
of the memory type exams,how many people do you
know today that can homebrew a ssb xcvr or even
repair their own radio's?old ham radio has been great
to me i went on to become a commercial telegraph
operator then a motorola service rep.
we8w


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:34 1996
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> come on guys get with it.one of the purposes of ham
> radio is to provide emergency communications now
> suppose we have a national emergency with very
> poor prop conditions are you guys on packet or the
> other digital modes going to get the message across?
> how about weak signal ssb condx i dont think so.
> cw is king under these condx. call me a old fart or
> one that resist changes if you want. but the trulth is
> cw is a requirement for a ham license and i hope it
> remains who needs another 11meter band type of
> situation?by the way i failed the cw test 3 times 26
> years for my novice but i now can copy 35 wpm plus
> with cw. it just took a little hard work and study. and
> while at it we should remove the answers to the
> question pools and just have text to study to get rid
> of the memory type exams,how many people do you
> know today that can homebrew a ssb xcvr or even
> repair their own radio's?old ham radio has been great
> to me i went on to become a commercial telegraph
> operator then a motorola service rep.
> we8w

WE8W,

Amateur radio is a hobby which we elect to do for enjoyment.  Learning
CW and the technical aspects are difficult.  Those who learn the code
and pass the written tests are rewarding for their efforts in a personal
sense of accomplishment and more access to the amatuer spectrum.  It is
a good system and we should keep it.  I have found that those things
that I must labor for, I value more.  I think that many others hold
simular feelings.  Since this is only a hobby, those that find the code
difficult, should consider another hobby which will provide them
satisfaction.

KJ7QX


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bry)
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Subject: Re: RSGB and other groups
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:03:48 GMT
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Geoff - do you know if there is a Website address for RSGB?

How about any of the U.K. Radio publications???

E-mail if you don't mind please! -

Brian Carling, G3XLQ / AF4K

Geoff Brown <[e-mail]> whistled a happy tune like:

|I am surprised at your comments about the RSGB, however, I see that you
|haven't been licensed very long so you will not have seen all the past
|work the RSGB has done.
|Over the 25 years that I have been a member I must say that things have
|changed (for the better).
|A great deal of work has been put in to extending many of the licensing
|regulations.
|I think if you had have been round many years ago that you would
|understand what I mean.
|BTW. I don't mean the RSGB is squeaky clean, they may well have to revise
|certain things in the future to maintain membership.
|Geoff GJ4ICD


Brian Carling, AF4K / G3XLQ
[e-mail]
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry = MEGALIST + HOCKEY + HAM RADIO = Bry's Page!



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:36 1996
From: [e-mail] (Gino Van Der Straeten)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: search
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 21:48:23 GMT
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Hello OM/YL

I'm searching the manuel or service manuel for the icom 970.
Also modifications from this transceiver.
Contribution is not a problem.

If you have also mods for the frg 7700 let me know.
Thanks a lot, 73's de on1dan



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Vincent Simard)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Send me all code Q please...
Date: 4 Sep 1996 23:03:31 GMT
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Is it possible for you to send me all the code Q...   I will appreciated a
lot....  thank

send to [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:38 1996
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From: "Joseph.A.Scully".%1:2619/211.9 ("Joseph A.Scully" %1:2619/211.9)
Date: 03 Sep 96 12:50:40
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Subject: Standard C1208A
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To: "Joseph A.Scully" %1:2619/211.9%12:320/100.666
From: "Joseph A.Scully" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Standard C1208A
Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc.

Does anyone have any extended Rx / Tx mods, or even any mods at all for
this radio????? I have looked everywhere  - -to no avail..
                                73's
Email me at [e-mail]

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 # Origin: Gateway ARNet <-> HamNet by HB9EBW (12:320/100.666)
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|
| Standard disclaimer: The views of this user are strictly his own.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Little)
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Subject: Re: The final solution
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In article <5167ok$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

> I'm tired of fencing, Carl. Especially with a stone wall. If it was chain li
nk
> fence, there might be some light coming thru, but ..........

I think you have the sides reversed.  I've heard the praises of Morse Code
from the pro-code club, even when those praises or claims are
demonstrably false.  The brick wall is there and apparently created
by too many hours of pounding brass.

> Besides, if I recall correctly, Phil is now an attorney, and I know better
> than to fence with those guys.......

Get with the plan Jim, wrong Phil.  I'd suggest you read up a little
on digital communications techniques, you'll most certainly come across
Phil's name.

73,
Todd
N9MWB



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (do not send junk e-mail)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: The party is over for CB
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:30:27
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>You better hope and pray that the bozo cop who gets dispatched to
>investigate an interference complaint is technically qualified to judge
>what is a CB station and what is a ham station.

She does not have to judge.  Just to ask the operator.

> now we are putting them in charge
>of deciding what is legal and what is not?

They are not, the lawMAKERS are.


> How
>will the investigating officer know the difference between a CB linear
>and a 10 meter linear?

By asking the operator?




I think it is great to help get the CB problem into local hands more inclined
to use it for a revenue source.




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:42 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: The party is over for CB
Date: 6 Sep 1996 15:42:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
do not send junk e-mail <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>You better hope and pray that the bozo cop who gets dispatched to
>>investigate an interference complaint is technically qualified to judge
>>what is a CB station and what is a ham station.
>
>She does not have to judge.  Just to ask the operator.

"Hi sir, are you breaking the law?"

[...]

>> How
>>will the investigating officer know the difference between a CB linear
>>and a 10 meter linear?
>
>By asking the operator?

I don't suppose you know any police officers.  Maybe, if you ever
get a chance to meet one in a casual situation, ask the officer
how many times they get lied to.  You might be surprised - there
are a great many people out there that lie to police officers, so
police officers usually have to guess at what the truth is.

>I think it is great to help get the CB problem into local hands more inclined

>to use it for a revenue source.

That is a pretty naive perspective.

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Thomas)
Subject: Re: The party is over for CB
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My newsreader claims that Dana Myers ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
: do not send junk e-mail <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >>You better hope and pray that the bozo cop who gets dispatched to
: >>investigate an interference complaint is technically qualified to judge
: >>what is a CB station and what is a ham station.
: >
: >She does not have to judge.  Just to ask the operator.

: "Hi sir, are you breaking the law?"

: [...]

: >> How
: >>will the investigating officer know the difference between a CB linear
: >>and a 10 meter linear?
: >
: >By asking the operator?

: I don't suppose you know any police officers.  Maybe, if you ever
: get a chance to meet one in a casual situation, ask the officer
: how many times they get lied to.  You might be surprised - there
: are a great many people out there that lie to police officers, so
: police officers usually have to guess at what the truth is.

: >I think it is great to help get the CB problem into
: >local hands more inclined
: >to use it for a revenue source.

: That is a pretty naive perspective.

: --
:  * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
:  * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
:  * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *

I think there is more of a problem than that. The courts have held for many
years that, because of its inherent nature, all radio transmissions are
interstate commerce. The U.S. constitution specifically allocates the right
to regulate interstate commerce to the federal government.
The U.S.Congress cannot abdicate this responsibility without amending the
constitution.

Perhaps these bozo congresscreatures have some other agenda on their minds.
...like mebbe legislating that pi is exactly 3.0.

...the $64 question is, how do people who are this ignorant get elected?
answer: Their constituencies are even more ignorant that then are.
--
*********************************************************************
* "Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do."              *
*                                                                   *
*  [e-mail]  - Glenn Thomas                                  *
*********************************************************************


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Kristin Rachael Hayward)
Subject: Trolling, was Open Letter To Carl WA6VSE
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In article <515beo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writ
es:
:
:I am writing this letter because I take issue with some of Carl WA6VSE's clai
ms.
:Let us note first of all that Carl confuses demagoguery with leadership and
:undocumented conspiracism with serious research. I attribute the social and
(snip)
:Jim KH2D
:(http://www-csag.cs.uiuc.edu/individual/pakin/complaint)
:

Ah, Jim, clever, but using the three paragraph option on the
referenced complaint letter generator would have allowed you to make
you point and still troll.

Sigh, what *is* it about hams that leaves so many humor impaired?

Up here, in the land of *fresh* fish, we often tell the visitors that
if a fish smells like a fish, one probably shouldn't eat it.

(Such advice doesn't seem to work with my dogs, but then, they seem to
have a perverted sense of humor (or taste) or perhaps simply a
different digestive tract.)

So, what does this have to do with this newsgroup (indeed, what does
anything have to do with this newsgroup)?

The ham groups seem to go through cycles. They always will: code/no
code, ARRL is bad/ARRL is good, *&(&( is evil, etc. etc.

As the summer winds down, as the commercial services crank up their
promotions, as it becomes darker each evening and people spend more
time on the net, we will certainly circle along to the "trolling"
cycle.

What is a troll?

A troll is "flame bait" but often with a bit of verisimilitude.

I grabbed this a while ago from an nl site I have since lost:

  trolling -- a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
  likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
  that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even
  more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more
  savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you
  don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it.

Trolls seldom work in moderated groups -- unless they are *very* good;
in an unmoderated group such as this, with a membership that often
wears its emotions on its shoulder like chips to be knocked off,
trolling works and is always disruptive.

So, the bait *will* be dropped back in our waters, and many of us
*will* be caught. (I fell for a silly one a few years ago.)

Maybe we will keep our sanity and the nice peaceful nature of our
"stream," or maybe we will take the bait and thrash around for weeks.

A thought:

If a post raises your ire, simply note it and move on.  If later you
*still* feel you must respond, consider it is probably flame bait or a
troll. Finally, ask yourself whether you want to continue the poster's
thread by replying to it -- in effect, dignifying the post.

Oh, and trolls can come from our own members; sometimes they are actually
humorous.


WX9T


--
                    Kristin Rachael Hayward, PhD
    Director of Administrative Information Systems and Business Services
                        University of Maine
                http://www.umeais.maine.edu/~hayward


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From: [e-mail](Mikel Bowlin)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: U.S. Navy CW Call Signs
Date: 10 Sep 1996 19:17:20 GMT
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Does anyone have a source for this info ? Mike KF6FLQ


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Casey)
Subject: Vacuum Tube windows TTF font posted in  alt.binaries.fonts
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I made up a public domain Windows truetype font, each letter or number
inside a vacuum tube.  Tubes are the "shoulder" style.

Find it posted in   alt.binaries.fonts

enjoy
73s


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Wayne)
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Subject: Re: WA State Patrol controlling your radios
Date: 10 Sep 1996 03:55:04 GMT
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This newsgroup is for Western Australia, not WAshington state.  You
won't get much response from here.




In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bruce Miller) says:
>
>The Washington State Patrol has proposed the adoption of a
>Washington Administrative Code regarding wireless communications
>systems used by motorists (not necessarly attached to vehicles).
>



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:49 1996
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From: "Ed Mitchell (MS)" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: WA State Patrol controlling your radios
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Wayne <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> This newsgroup is for Western Australia, not WAshington state.  You
> won't get much response from here.
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bruce Miller) says:
> >
> >The Washington State Patrol has proposed the adoption of a
> >Washington Administrative Code regarding wireless communications
> >systems used by motorists (not necessarly attached to vehicles).

Actually, several of the groups are a world-wide forum (but we agree that
wa.general is probably not us!). Unfortunately there is no Washington (WA)
State specific online forum.  And worse the stupid newreader I'm using
doesn't appear to allow me to delete wa.general from this reply. Sorry
about that.

At least its posting on the global rec.radio.amateur.misc has been of value
because I live in WA state also and would not otherwise have known about
this issue. Now, let's not spend lots of time arguing amongst ourselves -
that rarely accomplishes anything - I've already written to the State
Patrol and my elected representatives on this. I'm also posting comments on
our internal company ham radio group forum where perhaps 200 more hams in
WA (the U.S. one) will hear about this poorly worded proposal.

Ed, KF7VY
work: [e-mail]
personal: [e-mail]
"The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of
my employer."



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From: [e-mail] (Robert Moldenhauer)
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Goodness gracious, a microsoft employee admits he knows nothing about
the internet!  An honest statement form Microsoft, isn't that one of
the signs of the Appocalypse?


In article <01bb9f3e$fa8db400$3e6d379d@edmitch>, [e-mail]
says...
>
>Wayne <[e-mail]> wrote in article
><[e-mail]>...
>> This newsgroup is for Western Australia, not WAshington state.  You
>> won't get much response from here.
>>
>> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bruce Miller)
says:
>> >
>> >The Washington State Patrol has proposed the adoption of a
>> >Washington Administrative Code regarding wireless communications
>> >systems used by motorists (not necessarly attached to vehicles).
>
>Actually, several of the groups are a world-wide forum (but we agree
that
>wa.general is probably not us!). Unfortunately there is no Washington
(WA)
>State specific online forum.  And worse the stupid newreader I'm
using
>doesn't appear to allow me to delete wa.general from this reply.
Sorry
>about that.
>
>At least its posting on the global rec.radio.amateur.misc has been of
value
>because I live in WA state also and would not otherwise have known
about
>this issue. Now, let's not spend lots of time arguing amongst
ourselves -
>that rarely accomplishes anything - I've already written to the State
>Patrol and my elected representatives on this. I'm also posting
comments on
>our internal company ham radio group forum where perhaps 200 more
hams in
>WA (the U.S. one) will hear about this poorly worded proposal.
>
>Ed, KF7VY
>work: [e-mail]
>personal: [e-mail]
>"The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect
those of
>my employer."
>



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:51 1996
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        Hello...

        I would like to purchase a Alinco DJ 580 HT
        Consider any and all conditions and accessories.

        THanks
        Chet Hogue   KA3NUM
        [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:52 1996
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I'm looking for a copy of the owners manual for a Kenwood TS-140S. Kenwood
no longer has them and neither does their parts supplier.

Hopefully someone can make me a copy and send it my way. I'll pay the
shipping and copying.

Send me an e-mail if you can help me out.

Bob Brennen/WA2HNG
[e-mail]


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From: Jeffrey Miller <[e-mail]>
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Subject: What is good way to learn CW
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Hi there,

I am interested in getting a Ham License and can't seem to get CW down.
/
Anybody have any suggestions as to a good program and or teaching tape
or book for it??

I currently listen to Shortwave but can't copy the code no matter what.

Any assistance would be appreciated.


Jeff...   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:42:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Kissell)
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Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less abo
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I'm the local "Rip Van Winkle" of ham radio.  I was away from the hobby for
twenty years following high school graduation in 1973.  When I got back into
it, I replaced my HW-16 and Hustler 5BTV with a used TS-940SAT and a Cushcraft
R7.  On HF, I use CW exclusively, with the exception of checking in to the
local radio club/s 10m SSB weekly net.

On six meters --a band I've really come to love-- I use CW 30 - 40% of the
time.  It would be higher if there were more CW ops on six!  There have been
quite a few occasions when I was able to complete a 50 MHz QSO during a margin
opening ONLY by switching to CW.

So am I a newcomer or an old fart?

73,

Rick Kissell   WB9GYT
Milwaukee, WI


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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Stillinger) writes:
> >
> >I am an old fart.  For 11 years I have used both voice and CW.  CW is a
> >mode worth using.  I can go both ways on this issue.  If CW where to
> >be gotten rid of, then I would like to see the 500 question pool NOT be
> >released and questions and answers.  Simply release a text book that
> >will need to be studied in detail in order to pass the test.
> >
>
> Most no-code adocates seem to support a more meaningful technical test
> as a suitable, legitimate alternative to the code test.
>
> >On the other hand there is no reason to get rid of CW. Either as a
> >mode or as a requirement to get a license.
>
> There is a large body of opinon (and supporting evidence) indicating
> that there are a lot of good reasons to eliminate the CW test.
> Nobody seems to be suggesting the first (ban the mode) ... only the
> second (eliminate the test).
>
> >Why be lazy, why look at
> >it as such hard work?  Just learn it.  It is not that hard to do.
>
> It's NOT a question of lazy ... it's a question of interest and
> relevance.
>
> >It is sorta fun to learn and use.
>
> It was/is for YOU (enjoy) ... it is NOT for many.
>
> >What can I say folks.  I miss the old days.  The days when as a young
> >man of 18, keeping the coffee pot warm on top of the radio.  That nice
> >orange glow of the tubes, and neat shadows it leaves on the wall.
> >That slight dim of the lights when one tunes up.  The ckt breakers
> >tripping off when SWR reached 3:1.  Voltmeters bigger than the desk
> >the radio sits on.  Now I tune up and find almost no one to talk with.
> >A real bumber...
>
> You can miss the old days as much as you want ... they won't return.
> Those that try to stand in the way of progress have, historically
> speaking, eventually been run over by the steamroller.
>
> That will happen to the die-hard "keep the code" folks at some point,
> too.  It's inevitable.  The only questions are "when?" and "how?"
> If it comes soon, we may just be able to save ham radio from being run
> over by the steamroller, too.  If we wait too long, I'm afraid ham radio
> itself will end up as technological "road kill."
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Be a ham Carl and learn the code.


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Lubash)
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about
 throughput?
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In article <50le25$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (zommbee) writes:

> How many enjoy CW who have only had their tickets for a couple
> of years or less?  I get the impression from reading these newsgroups that
> only us 'old timers' (I've been licensed for 22 years and I'm 35 years old)
> actually LIKE CW, that ALL newcomers HATE it, and resent being told they
> have to learn it.  Is this true?  Or do newcomers LIKE code? and USE it?
--------------

Dave,

I had a license when I was a kid (I'm 49 now) and I never got my
general
because I didn't want to take the time to get to 13wpm, *I wanted to
talk
on the radio*. I operated some cw till the license expired. When I
decided
to get back into ham radio last year I had to start from scratch to
learn the code. I got my tech plus and spent hours on HF CW and had a
blast. It
was relaxing and the people I met were all friendly. I had some great
conversations (sore wrist for days) and felt like I had learned a new
language. When I went for my general I tried the 20wpm as a warm up and
to
my surprise passed it!!

Now I work all modes and don't do CW as much but it is still a good
friend.
If I can't find a QSO on Pactor RTTY or SSB because of poor conditions
I
can almost always get things going on some band on CW. To this day I
have
not met a rude person on CW. I had to learn it and probably would not
of if
it wasn't required but now I really glad that I did. I'm not inferring
that
it should be or shouldn't be a requirement but I feel there is a lot to
be
said in favor of the mode.

73

Richard N1VXW

-------------------------------------------------

Richard Lubash
N1VXW
email [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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I've been licensed 4 and a half years, although I've been around amateur
radio for over 12 years (my wife's father and two brothers are all hams,
licensed for decades). I'd say I operate 40% CW, 40% SSB, and 20% FM/
packet. I spend most of my CW time in the novice sub-bands, helping
new hams get their code speed up-to-par

MD
--
--
--  "I have more guns than I need, and less guns than I want." -- Phil Graam
--
--  If you don't like my opinions, that's just too damn bad.


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In <50le25$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (zommbee) writes:
>
>
>Hi everyone.
>
>This is a legitimate question. I am NOT (repeat NOT) trying to create a
>flame war or spam war.
>

Wonderful ...

>I enjoy CW emensely, and have for years.

Great ... glad you enjoy it ... (I don't, many don't) ... keep it up, I
have no desire to "ban" it ...

>It doesn't matter to me
>that come 1999, the world will abandon it as a commercial communication mode
>(officially, anyway).

Fine ... again, nobody (that I know of) who is a proponent of CW-free HF
licenses has proposed baning it, just eliminating the test requirement.

>This is NOT to get feedback on whether it should be required for upgrades
>or anything at all.  I am ONLY asking how many people ENJOY CW?  Now here's
>the clinker - How many enjoy CW who have only had their tickets for a couple
>of years or less?  I get the impression from reading these newsgroups that
>only us 'old timers' (I've been licensed for 22 years and I'm 35 years old)
>actually LIKE CW, that ALL newcomers HATE it, and resent being told they
>have to learn it.  Is this true?  Or do newcomers LIKE code? and USE it?

Some newcomers like it. (It appears) most don't.  Also, many old-timers
don't like it either (I've been licensed since 1975 and I hate it).

According to the ARRL's survey (of ARRL members only, not including the
large non-member population) only 54% of (ARRL members) operate CW AT
ALL.  That implies that 46% of ARRL members NEVER use CW.
I would be inclined to bet that non-ARRL members use it even less,
because I know a LOT of hams who refuse to join ARRL primarily because
they view it as backward and pro-CW.

I hope my reply has been in line with what you wanted and that it was
friendly enough.

Enjoy your CW ...

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
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Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
Date: 6 Sep 1996 23:51:31 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Kevin L. Anderson) says:

>Dave,
>
>I enjoy CW.  It is my only mode.  The only equipment I own is
>CW only (first a Heath HW-16, now a Ten Tec Century 22).
>I was first licensed three years, first as a Novice and
>have now upgraded to General.  Working toward Extra and
>20 wpm.  15wpm is comfortable for me, and I can tell when
>I've been off the air for a week or two.  I am 37, and
>was first interested in radio 20 years, when it again
>was CW that attracted me.  At the local field day, I
>always gravitate toward the 40m CW trailer; somehow those
>phone QSOs don't attract me, and I am forever confusing
>Sierra, Tango, Alpha, etc.  I love CW despite the fact
>I must keeping working at it.
>
>The enjoyable facts.  Cheers/73.  Kevin Anderson, KB9IUA
>Rock Island, Illinois  USA
>

I also enjoy CW immensely. As my personal preference it's my favorite
mode, although I do a little of everything except ATV. (And I'm
interested in that too.)

I could copy 55 wpm about 25 years ago. Then I had about a 15 year
hiatus from ham radio (still licensed but inactive.) When I got back on I
was pleased to find out I could still copy about 40 wpm with no trouble!
A couple months and I was back up to 55 wpm. (I guess I classify as an
OLDE FAHRT even though I'm only 43; I've been licensed 29 years.)

Some of my most memorable QSO's have been on CW; the 6-hour ragchew to
classify for the "Real Ragchewer's Club" (Is that still around?) and
intriguing chats with DX stations that led to a greater appreciation of
their culture. Some of my greatest thrills were hearing my call being
sent in CW on "new bands" for me such as 1296 and 2304 MHz. I have also
heard the weird amd fascinating sound of my own distorted CW signal coming
back as an LDE on 20 meters.

So for those of us that enjoy it, let's keep using it! See you on the
bands!

73, Zack W9SZ
--



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In article <50mqe5$[e-mail]>,
Dave Finley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>  Dave WB7AWK [e-mail], asks:
>
>  >"I am ONLY asking how many people ENJOY CW?  Now here's
>  >the clinker - How many enjoy CW who have only had their tickets for a coup
le
>  >of years or less?"

[delete]

>Without getting into the code-vs.-no-code debate (at least in this post),
>I'd just like to say that if we presented CW as the fun mode that it
>is rather than as bitter medicine that must be swallowed, more people
>would try it and find they like it.
>Dave Finley, N1IRZ

I think you have summarized the problem with CW requirements.
CW could be fun to learn, if CW is your motivation. For many
new hams, myself included, learning CW is a bitter pill to
swallow to achieve voice SSB priveledges.

If CW requirements were restricted to the CW only bands,
the distate for CW would disappear. If one wanted use
of CW bands, one would have to pass the CW test, no need for it on
voice bands.

KB0WOB




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:02 1996
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From: Sam Alfano <[e-mail]>
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I've been licensed about 21 years, and love CW.  In fact, I don't have a
mic hooked up at all.  CW takes skill and a lot of practice, and I enjoy
being able to fly along at 35+ wpm.

Sam Alfano
AD5C


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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <50qde3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Zack Widup) writes:
> >
> >
> >So for those of us that enjoy it, let's keep using it! See you on the
> >bands!
> >
> >73, Zack W9SZ
> >--
> >
>
> Zack,
>
> I am happy (really) that YOU enjoy CW ... great, fine, keep it up, have
> at it ..
>
> All the technophiles amongst us are saying is that we don't share your
> interest ... we want do do other things that have absolutely nothing to
> do with CW ... so we see NO sense in requiring someone to waste the time
> and effort to "jump through a hoop" that has no value to them and
> demonstrate a "skill" that they will probably NEVER use again ...
>
> 73,
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

There you go again Carl, asserting opinion as fact: "All the
technophiles amongst us are saying...".  This is obviously false
statement and weakens your credibility.  There are many, many
"technophiles" in the ham ranks that love cw. If you worked a little cw
once in a while, you'd be able to confirm this for yourself.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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In article <50le25$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (zommbee) writes:
> Hi everyone.
>
> This is a legitimate question. I am NOT (repeat NOT) trying to create a
> flame war or spam war.
>
> I enjoy CW emensely, and have for years.  Although I only copy about 10 or
> 12 WPM most of the time, it's still my major mode.  I love the sound, the
> way you can tell something about the other guy by his 'fist', even if it
> is a keyer (we all adjust them differently, after all).  I don't care one
> bit if it is archaeic, or if the throughput is slow.  It doesn't matter to m
e
> that come 1999, the world will abandon it as a commercial communication mode

> (officially, anyway).  I KNOW I could get MUCH faster data throughput using
> packet or something else.  But I don't care - I ENJOY it.  It takes up almos
t
> no bandwidth, and is harmless to anyone who doesn't understand it.
>
> This is NOT to get feedback on whether it should be required for upgrades
> or anything at all.  I am ONLY asking how many people ENJOY CW?  Now here's
> the clinker - How many enjoy CW who have only had their tickets for a couple
> of years or less?  I get the impression from reading these newsgroups that
> only us 'old timers' (I've been licensed for 22 years and I'm 35 years old)
> actually LIKE CW, that ALL newcomers HATE it, and resent being told they
> have to learn it.  Is this true?  Or do newcomers LIKE code? and USE it?
>
> AGAIN, I am NOT ASKING if you think CW should be required.  Don't reply if
> that's what you want to discuss.  I ONLY want to know if you ENJOY CW, and
> are a relative newcomer to ham radio. (OT's ok too, of course).
>
> There have too many mean-spirited threads about the requirement issue, and
> I don't want this to be another.
>
> Let this be a friendly thread, whether you love CW or hate it.  I honestly
> want to know, and would love to read postings (or emails, for that matter)
> from both sides, but mostly from relative newcomers.
>
> Am I alone in my opinion?
>
> Thanks to all who reply.
>
> Dave WB7AWK
> [e-mail]

Dave,
I like CW. I use it regularly. I've been licensed about 3 years; I'm 40.
Been doing mostly VHF/UHF lately and I find it easier to work stations down
in the noise with CW. I don't yet have have a tower, H frames full of yagis/
loopers and kw's. Just a multimode on 2M, transverters on 432 and now 903
and 10368mhz. I've found that I can enjoy it more when the band is up, and
we can roll along at 20-25wpm. Then again, I'm more likely to just use SSB
when conditions support it. It can be a real effort to copy at 10-15wpm,
when I need to write the copy on paper to follow it. Above that it's easy
to head copy.

73!
Joe - AA3GN
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry B. Altzman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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In article <[e-mail]>, VK1WI  <[e-mail]> wrote
:
>If the decision to drop the CW requirement is made, I hope it's coupled
>with specific freq ranges set aside for CW only so we can continue
>enjoying the part of the hobby we most enjoy - INTERFERENCE FREE.

Why should CW get such special treatment? You don't have
"interference-free" zones *now*. Just because those who like OOK Morse are
placated into accepting those on HF without code tests under their belts?

>And IMHO that does not include sharing space with the current digital
>modes like PACTOR, SITOR, RTTY, etc.

Why not? Can't you just use a narrower filter and tune out all that
"noise"?

Why should one mode get "protection" it isn't afforded now?

Please respect the Followup-to: line.

>73, Jim Muller            Packet:   [e-mail]

//jbaltz
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Hosler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 13:20:03 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Lowman) writes:
>>
>>It used to be that US amateurs had to sign a statement when renewing their
>>licenses, that they were still capable of copying CW at the rate required
>>for that license.  I would suppose that this made liars out of a good number
>>of hams, even under the threat of perjury.
>>

>Jim,

>I'm sure you're right, but those same hypocrites will still insist on
>forcing newcomers to pass a test that they likely couldn't ...  to get
>the same license ...  that's the sense of amateur "fairness" that's kept
>the test in place for so long.

>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]


Who said we couldn't agree on something Carl?  I'd go along with the
proposal that we be retested at least once every renewal period (or
roughly every 10 years).  This would insure that we haven't lost any
of the previously acquired skills and knowledge and have also
continued to learn the basics of the evolving technology.  Great idea!
Certainly would eliminate the threat of perjury and reinstate the
"sense of amateur fairness" .  Perhaps I have misjudged you.

de KN0Z

Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employe
r.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:08 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Lowman) writes:
>
>It used to be that US amateurs had to sign a statement when renewing their
>licenses, that they were still capable of copying CW at the rate required
>for that license.  I would suppose that this made liars out of a good number
>of hams, even under the threat of perjury.
>

Jim,

I'm sure you're right, but those same hypocrites will still insist on
forcing newcomers to pass a test that they likely couldn't ...  to get
the same license ...  that's the sense of amateur "fairness" that's kept
the test in place for so long.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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<[e-mail]> wrote:
>All the technophiles amongst us are saying is that we don't share your
>interest [in CW]

Tell us what you've done for ham radio during the 20 years you've been
licensed. You might not have full HF privileges but you could have been
developing new schemes of communication for HF users. Does your altruism
only cover those bands in which you have access to?

Face it, Karl, you only want the code dropped so *you* can gain full
HF privileges.

Most of the radios being built at home by hams seem to be for CW according
to what I read on the QRP and Glowbugs lists. This seems contrary to your
claim that CW ops are appliance operators.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6 (also licensed for 20 years)
(respect the followup line please)


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Krull)
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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Hi !

I am licensed for about 1 1/2 years, my age is 45 years.
After passing my test i did not care for CW at all, however on
a fieldday in '95 (my 1st one) i met some fellow hams, they brought
a tiny Knwd TS-50 trx, hooked it to the beam and operated with a
straight key and 50 watts worldwide. This fascinated me and my mind
told me: you have learned CW and passed the test, you can do this too !
I decided for training myself to do one CW QSO per day at least.
I was thrilled by my first contact to JA with 100 watts and my
R7 vertical antenna. I started CW operation with a straight 'Junker'
key, however switched to paddles after some months.
I am still fascinated how far i can get with my 100 watts and the
R7 vertical, i live in a city (Hamburg) and i do not want to use
PA due to TVI and other interference problems in this highly populated
area.
On HF i do CW only, except some operation via our local 10m repeater,
and i even do CW on 2m/70cm sometimes.
BTW, our licence classes here in Germany are different, 3 only:

C = 'smallest' ticket, no-code, no HF
A = 30 characters/minute CW receiving/sending test, restricted
    HF access
B = 'biggest' ticket, 60 characters/minute receiving/sending test
    full access to all Ham-band as defined for IARU region 1 .

gl es 73,
Thomas [DF1HX]


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:13 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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>   [e-mail] writes:
>  In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coff
man) writes:
>  >>Why should one mode get "protection" it isn't afforded now?
>  >
>  >Because it *needs* it. As machine digital grows, as it is, and as
>  >it will to a much larger extent if the changes we want are enacted,
>  >it is going to become increasingly hard for Morse users to compete.
>  >Just as we set up "Dx Windows" to allow distant stations a chance
>  >to function without being drowned by the high power locals grousing
>  >to each other about their lumbago, we need to setup a "CW Window"
>  >where those who still want to use CW can do so. Banning the use of
>  >CW would be wrong, and that's what we would be doing defacto if we
>  >don't set aside a place for it to be used in relative peace and quiet.
>  >
>
>  Gary,
>
>  OK, you're right ... CW will find it increasingly difficult to compete.
>  Maybe we SHOULD set aside a "CW window" ...
>
>  I hereby propose that the lowest 25kHz of each HF band be set aside as
>  "CW ONLY" ...  since CW advocates believe (as evidenced by their own
>  assertions) that their mode is so spectrally efficient, this should be
>  sufficient to serve the ever-diminishing numbers of CW ops well for the
>  reamainder of time.
>
>  Carl - wa6vse
>  [e-mail]

i agree with Carl

the new pro no code steve


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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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charles copeland ([e-mail]) writes:


 ====== snip ======
>
> I think you have summarized the problem with CW requirements.
> CW could be fun to learn, if CW is your motivation. For many
> new hams, myself included, learning CW is a bitter pill to
> swallow to achieve voice SSB priveledges.

Actually in Canada anyways, you have only to learn 5wpm for 80m & 160m.
Plus 2m allmode you can work all different sorts of modes.  But I agree
for REAL HF privileges you need CW

>
> If CW requirements were restricted to the CW only bands,
> the distate for CW would disappear. If one wanted use
> of CW bands, one would have to pass the CW test, no need for it on
> voice bands.
>
> KB0WOB
>
>


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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In article <50pu5u$m9$[e-mail]> Hans K0HB <71111.260@
CompuServe.COM> writes:
>
>Yes, I know you can talk to "far away places" on phone,
>digital, and even visual modes, but somehow a whispery
>thin Morse signal adds to the "ambience".  Yes, in
>many cases the conversations are painfully slow, but
>maybe that also is part of the attraction.... it tends
>to focus your thinking down to topics which reflect
>what you feel is "important" about yourself (age,
>how many kids, etc.).

Oh, I hope you know who doesn't see this. He'll start
complaining about the "I" disease of amateurs again. :-)
CW does have the benefit of forcing one to be concise.
That may be a virtue, but if it takes as long to say
as a more content rich communication, is it really a virtue
after all? Perhaps this is the reason many ham conversations
seem so stereotypical (on voice as well). It is because
we have been trained to say little because to say more
would be burdensome. Maybe not, perhaps we *are* just
boring regardless of methods used.

NcLuhan said that the medium *is* the message. Perhaps
that's what you're saying as well. It may not be important
to you whether you communicate effectively with another,
the mere act of communications may suffice (that would
certainly seem to be true for the Dxer). McLuhan divided
media into two types. Media like TV invokes the emotions,
while other media, such as books, invoke a more cerebral
reaction because books offer to make you think. Perhaps in
this regard you see CW as an emotional medium. There might
not be much content, but the character of the communications
is engaging on an emotional level. Instead of bubble gum for
the eyes, it is bubble gum for the ears and fingers.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who Do You Hear on HF?
Date: 4 Sep 1996 17:01:17 -0400
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[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) trolls:

> If YE OLDE FAHRTZ hadn't fought against the no-code license for as long
> as they did, we probably could have saved 220-222Mhz.

Doubtful.


> Remember, 220 was taken away from us BEFORE the no-code Tech license was
> created.  My guess is that the unwillingness of YE OLDE FAHRTZ and their
> cronies in the ARRL to support a no-code license had quite a bit to do
> with this.

Yeah. You're absolutely right Drew. I guess we need to create a no-code
VHF license to protect our bands...

Oops, wait. Forgot. We did that 5 years ago, and the commercial
interests are still around wanting our VHF frequencies. Guess that
codeless VHF license didn't work after all.

MD
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
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In article <50s9ke$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>My point is that your previous implication that Drew only hear old folks
>because he lives in Florida was rediculous.
>
>Drew could be (an likely was) hearing folks from all over the place.
>
>That's the point that I was making ...

Yes Carl, but the only problem is that Drew, by his own admission,
>doesn't own a radio<.

So, unless some old geezers in Georgia and Alabama are yelling
really, really loud, the only OLDE FARTZ that Drew hears are the
ones sitting next to him.

MD
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 12 16:43:18 1996
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From: Steve Eklund <[e-mail]>
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Steve - KF2TI, NJ wrote:
>
> >   [e-mail] (Drew Durigan) writes:
>
> >  Remember, 220 was taken away from us BEFORE the no-code Tech license was
> >  created.  My guess is that the unwillingness of YE OLDE FAHRTZ and their
> >  cronies in the ARRL to support a no-code license had quite a bit to do
> >  with this.
> >
> >  -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> >   KF4DDM
>
> the taking of the 220 band was politically motivated and irregardless of
> amateur intervention would have happened anyway


With all of the whining you read about 220 being taken away, they forget
one thing: only part of the band was taken away. At least we still have 3
Mhz of the band left, but is it getting used? Not in my area. You would
figure that the whiners will flock to the ham radio stores to buy 220
equipment to keep the remaining part of the band, but it hasn't happened.
The worst part about it is that UPS is not even using the lower 2 Mhz. I
never hear anything on there.

73 de WA3RVT, Steve


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Almost forgot...I spend most of my HF time on SWL Digital Sitor/ARQ and
Amtor listening to the Merchies work one another.


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Agreed. Neither young nor old...just an Amatuer Radio Operator.

Such a shame to see amatuers turn against other amatuers.

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From: [e-mail] (Dean Cookson)
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Date: 10 Sep 1996 15:29:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Also now is the time to install the phone system wiring the *right*
>way. Don't daisy chain your phone wiring, star connect it back to a
>central wiring closet (do the same with CATV wiring).

Do the same with with some network cabling also.  Or even better, put a
patch panel in the basement, run a pair of conduits to each room and
put junction boxes that are big enough to hold a coax out (for cable),
a couple of RJ-11s (for phone) and a couple of RJ-45s for 10/100base-T
ethernet.

>This will cost very little extra now, but it will save huge amounts
>of aggravation later.

Yup...


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Ham-Space Digest            Wed,  4 Sep 96       Volume 96 : Issue  270

Today's Topics:
                      'modes.dat' for 'SatTrack'
                                (none)
                        ARLK063 Keplerian data
                      Ham-Space Digest V96 #266
                      Help: re pacsats (2 msgs)
           Indiana repeater/ATV/Packet APRS Balloon Launch
                           Kep Data AUG 30
                           Radio Astronomy
        WTB: Low Output or Dead High Power Transmitting Tubes

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:23:29 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: 'modes.dat' for 'SatTrack'

In <[e-mail]> Tovar <[e-mail]> writes:

>Can someone suggest where/how i can get a current version of 'modes.dat'
>(which contains frequencies and modes of operation), including, for
>example, JAS-2?  It seems like a real waste to get the whole SatTrack
>package just to get that one file.  Or, did i miss something and there's
>some easy way of getting that?

You can just edit it yourself, using a text editor.

Rob
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Date: 3 Sep 1996 18:04:54 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: ARLK063 Keplerian data

SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK063
ARLK063 Keplerian data

ZCZC SK63
QST de W1AW
Keplerian Bulletin 63  ARLK063

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 96 04:30:52 PDT
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Subject: Ham-Space Digest V96 #266

Ham-Space Digest            Sat, 31 Aug 96       Volume 96 : Issue  266

Today's Topics:
                         wx satellites frqs?

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Date: 27 Aug 1996 11:57:38 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Terry Fugate)
Subject: wx satellites frqs?

In article <4volfs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Luis Velis) says:
>
>Hi Folks
>
>Can someone tell me some wx satellites freqs so i can monitor their
>trasmissions..
>
>luis
>Luis A Velis
>Hamradio operator
>[e-mail]
>
Try 137.5MHz and 137.620MHz.  The wxsats "broadcast" in FM and the
bw is about 50KHz.  A NFM scanner will allow to listen, but not
to receive and display an image.  When a wxsat is at a higher elevation
you can hear them on a handheld scanner with the rubber duckie antenna.
Serious recpetion is a bit tougher.

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Date: 2 Sep 1996 20:42:50 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ken N2SQW)
Subject: Help: re pacsats

I've been involved with the analog sats for over a year now, and am
thinking of trying the digital birds next. What suggestions do you have
regarding a relatively inexpensive way to get on the pacsats? I'm using a
Yaesu FT736R transceiver for the sats. I have a typical terrestrial packet
setup, so I'm familiar with packet from that point of view.
Thanks, and 73, Ken

Please reply either here, or preferably, via E-Mail.
My E-Mail address is:    KenN2SQW @ AOL.COM

------------------------------

Date: 2 Sep 1996 20:46:14 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ken N2SQW)
Subject: Help: re pacsats

I've been involved with the analog sats for over a year now, and am
thinking of trying the digital birds next. What suggestions do you have
regarding a relatively inexpensive way to get on the pacsats? I'm using a
Yaesu FT736R transceiver for the sats. I have a typical terrestrial packet
setup, so I'm familiar with packet from that point of view.
Thanks, and 73, Ken

Please reply either here, or preferably, via E-Mail.
My E-Mail address is:    KenN2SQW @ AOL.COM

------------------------------

Date: 3 Sep 1996 21:47:11 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Darwin Teague)
Subject: Indiana repeater/ATV/Packet APRS Balloon Launch

In article <50gbe3$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Hank Riley) wrote:
>         CENTRAL INDIANA REPEATER/ATV/GPS PACKET BALLOON LAUNCH
>
>
>     Region:            Central Indiana
>
>     Date/Time:         Saturday, September 7 / 7:00-8:00 AM EDT,
>                        11:00-12:00 UTC
>
>     Location:          Greentown, Indiana (8 miles east
>                        of Kokomo)
>
>     Other states where
>     the signals will
>     reach easily:      Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, Kentucky
>
>     Site Coordinates:  approximate for initial antenna heading;
>                        (not for navigating to launch site)
>                        40' 29" North Lat.
>                        85' 58" West Long.
>
>     ATV:               439.25 MHz AM NTSC from live camera
>
ease email me news of upcoming balloon launches and post-flight
>reports for distribution on the Net.
>
>Hank Riley, N1LTV
>[e-mail]

Could you please tell me how to receive the video? Is it a TV-UHF frequency? I

have an old Rabbit receiver, but don't know what frequency it's on....

------------------------------

Date: 03 Sep 1996 16:32:41 GMT
From: [e-mail] (karl dundee)
Subject: Kep Data AUG 30

SB KEP ARL ARLK062
ARLK062 Keplerian data

Thanks to Con, W5BWF, for the following Keplerian data.

Decode 2-line elsets with the following key:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
[More]

[H[2JKEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

Mir
1 16609U 86017A   96243.15987200  .00005643  00000-0  69649-4 0 06634
2 16609  51.6479 111.3895 0010890 113.1525 247.0619 15.61839755601567
AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   96238.89296850  .00000038  00000-0  10000-3 0 04503
2 14129  25.9885 192.7666 6032591  43.4713 350.6635  2.05881051071300
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   96243.12495366  .00000043  00000-0  31154-4 0 02702
2 18129  82.9252  93.8965 0011327 317.5344  42.4933 13.72368848460311
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   96243.08189460  .00000052  00000-0  16619-4 0 09282
2 14781  97.8049 230.5371 0010768 212.3265 147.7278 14.69474704668501
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   96243.24154866  .00000106  00000-0  96024-4 0  9146
2 21089  82.9242 134.4364 0031269  27.5358 332.7445 13.74073559279207
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   96242.87739060  .00042317 -56196-6  32491-2 0 02629
2 19216  57.1197  95.2216 7435843  49.2705 354.8364  2.11602023031393
UO-14
[More]

[H[2J1 20437U 90005B   96243.15199014 -.00000001  00000-0  16439-4 0 02233
2 20437  98.5418 324.7746 0011391 349.5231  10.5714 14.29929318344623
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   96243.51267932 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0  1580
2 23439  64.8140 262.8843 0159849 186.0930 173.8051 11.27528259 69161
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   96242.75714771 -.00000025  00000-0  73308-5 0 00225
2 20439  98.5563 326.7377 0011599 351.5732   8.5253 14.29982402344580
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   96242.77209094 -.00000005  00000-0  14829-4 0 00091
2 20440  98.5574 327.4273 0011925 350.2902   9.8047 14.30124402344614
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   96243.11333729 -.00000062  00000-0 -71975-5 0 00274
2 20441  98.5582 327.6941 0011997 349.4426  10.6447 14.30093448344662
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   96243.24342908 -.00000009  00000-0  13172-4 0    58
2 20442  98.5602 328.3495 0012339 348.2503  11.8389 14.30203343344702
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   96243.06147822  .00000005  00000-0  90788-4 0 09150
2 20480  99.0242 253.8642 0540344 317.1412  38.8714 12.83234222307360
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   96243.11027502  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0 07494
[More]

[H[2J2 21087  82.9385 266.9913 0036417   1.9212 358.2076 13.74571250280160
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   96243.13481910  .00000020  00000-0  20972-4 0 07147
2 21575  98.3459 307.3011 0008479  47.6015 312.5893 14.37033856268687
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   96242.88123072 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0 06093
2 22077  66.0815  35.1637 0014742 280.5708  79.3649 12.86297786190283
KO-25
1 22828U 93061F   96243.10813531 -.00000025  00000-0  73021-5 0 04886
2 22828  98.5727 317.5525 0010663   4.3734 355.7544 14.28149446120668
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   96243.14450693  .00000006  00000-0  20153-4 0 05116
2 22826  98.5772 317.5261 0010159  17.7957 342.3575 14.27811246152550
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   96243.15382119 -.00000013  00000-0  12298-4 0 05102
2 22825  98.5775 317.3542 0009540  17.0332 343.1166 14.27701931152547
PO-28
1 22829U 93061G   96243.12574615 -.00000030  00000-0  52013-5 0 04970
2 22829  98.5740 317.6347 0010695   5.5570 354.5731 14.28130912152582

Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Tuesday,
[More]

[H[2JSeptember 3, 1996, at 2230z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 22:51:13 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Subject: Radio Astronomy

[e-mail] (Stephen Reader) wrote:

>Hi uk.radio.amateur!
>                               Help required, does anybody have a current
>contact address for "BARAS" British Amateur Radio Astonomy Society. And can
>anybody help with info and advice on setting up a radio telescope to
>monitor solar emisionns. Any info , help or advice will be much apreciated.
>           73 de Steve.
>Stephen Reader   RNARS 0951.  RS93463

>--- OffRoad 1.9e registered to Stephen Reader

Hello, Stephen:

Take a look at my Home Page at:

http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

I have a Ham Radio and Amateur Astronomy area where the Astronomy area
focuses on Amateur Radio Astronomy.

Take Care & 73




Marty Albert - [e-mail]
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:02:39
From: [e-mail] (Jim Bieberich)
Subject: WTB: Low Output or Dead High Power Transmitting Tubes

I want to buy dead power transmitting tubes.  Tubes must not be broken or
physically damaged.  I'm interested in tubes with power dissapations 250 watts
to 10,000 watts.  Let me know what you have and I'll give you a quote.

73s

Jim Bieberich
WA6WJI
San Jose, CA

------------------------------

Date: (null)
From: (null)

SB KEP ARL ARLK063
ARLK063 Keplerian data

Thanks to Con, W5BWF, for the following Keplerian data.

Decode 2-line elsets with the following key:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
KEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

Mir
1 16609U 86017A   96247.06285252  .00004159  00000-0  52866-4 0 06674
2 16609  51.6494  91.7096 0010787 126.0362 234.1633 15.61882960602172
AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   96238.89296850  .00000038  00000-0  10000-3 0 04503
2 14129  25.9885 192.7666 6032591  43.4713 350.6635  2.05881051071300
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   96247.06196438  .00000060  00000-0  49589-4 0 02729
2 18129  82.9246  90.9848 0010926 305.8707  54.1432 13.72369252460852
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   96247.03127326  .00000124  00000-0  28816-4 0 09286
2 14781  97.8054 234.3146 0011113 197.0748 163.0085 14.69476247669084
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   96247.10085540  .00000037  00000-0  22921-4 0 09370
2 21089  82.9243 131.5752 0031022  17.5979 342.6249 13.74073083279734
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   96245.71115469  .00038736 -55797-6  19259-2 0 02652
2 19216  57.1300  94.4400 7439446  49.4417 354.7313  2.11829183031458
UO-14
1 20437U 90005B   96246.79060821 -.00000027  00000-0  64442-5 0 02246
2 20437  98.5414 328.3430 0011136 339.1554  20.9173 14.29929442345149
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   96247.06042468 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0 01747
2 23439  64.8147 257.1460 0160230 185.4816 174.4371 11.27528359069569
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   96246.74548422 -.00000007  00000-0  14192-4 0 00209
2 20439  98.5561 330.6569 0011357 339.7047  20.3689 14.29982613345157
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   96246.76003132 -.00000007  00000-0  13971-4 0 00098
2 20440  98.5570 331.3471 0011656 339.1174  20.9532 14.30124679345184
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   96246.75153689 -.00000024  00000-0  76105-5 0 00224
2 20441  98.5527 331.2676 0012192 338.5761  21.4910 14.30093979345188
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   96246.74142874  .00000001  00000-0  17017-4 0 00240
2 20442  98.5600 331.7897 0012144 338.3351  21.7313 14.30203704345203
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   96247.03761937 -.00000020  00000-0  36100-4 0 09224
2 20480  99.0244 257.0847 0540308 308.1339  47.2219 12.83234235307877
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   96247.55050877  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0  7374
2 21087  82.9385 263.7046 0035786 350.4575   9.5896 13.74571302280775
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   96247.10361440  .00000021  00000-0  21275-4 0 07130
2 21575  98.3457 311.1493 0008392  36.3005 323.8752 14.37034477269253
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   96246.84649543 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0 06101
2 22077  66.0795  26.8590 0014793 277.5012  82.4325 12.86297661190799
KO-25
1 22828U 93061F   96247.10158368  .00000050  00000-0  37373-4 0 04886
2 22828  98.5723 321.4725 0010718 352.6489   7.4547 14.28150526121236
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   96247.13890359 -.00000006  00000-0  15303-4 0 05107
2 22826  98.5768 321.4465 0010109   6.9975 353.1347 14.27811346153122
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   96247.07843949  .00000006  00000-0  19886-4 0 05099
2 22825  98.5744 321.2052 0009547   6.1714 353.9581 14.27702513153103
PO-28
1 22829U 93061G   96247.11924603 -.00000004  00000-0  15997-4 0 04980
2 22829  98.5739 321.5558 0010601 353.3881   6.7161 14.28131560153151
FO-29
1 24278U 96046B   96247.13884307 -.00000036  00000-0  00000-0 0 00294
2 24278  98.5784 320.9319 0351291 209.4316 148.6632 13.52624980002315

Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Saturday,
September 7, 1996, at 2230z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX

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End of Ham-Space Digest V96 #270
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                      Ham-Space Digest V96 #270
           Indiana repeater/ATV/Packet APRS Balloon Launch
            Radio Meteor Obs. Bull. August 1996: Perseids
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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 21:27:43 -0500
From: Mark McGregor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Indiana repeater/ATV/Packet APRS Balloon Launch

Darwin Teague wrote:

> Could you please tell me how to receive the video? Is it a TV-UHF frequency?
 I
> have an old Rabbit receiver, but don't know what frequency it's on....

You can receive ATV the following ways:

    Using an ATV down converter (converts 439.25 to TV channel 3) and a
70cm Beam Antenna

    Using an old TV or VCR with manual tuning hooked up to an outside
antenna.
       You will have to tune the TV to UHF channel 14 and then try using
your
       fine tuning control and tune DOWN.  The ATV frequency is BELOW
UHF ch 14.

    Using a newer TV or VCR that is cable-ready.  Hook the TV or VCR up
to an
       outside antenna and then set it for CABLE CHANNEL 60.

The first method is BY FAR the best.  Down converters are around $80 and
you can
make your own beam (I did).  Make sure your receiving antenna has the
same
polarity as the transmitter.  Cross polorization loss on 70cm can be as
much
as 20db.


Mark
   <KB9KHM>

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Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:16:33 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Christian Steyaert)
Subject: Radio Meteor Obs. Bull. August 1996: Perseids

Radio Meteor Observation Bulletin No. 37                  September 1996


1. FORWARD SCATTER METEOR OBSERVATIONS


Observer:   E.P. Bus
Location:   Groningen, Netherlands (6 degr 33' E, 53 degr 13' N)
Frequency:  72.11 MHz
Transmitter Location: Wroclaw, Poland, 130 kW, Distance 740 km
Antenna:    Yagi, 3 elements, geographical azimuth 106 degr (ESE),
            elevation 12 degrees
Receiver:   Bearcat UBC 177XLT Scanning Radio, sensitivity: 0.5 uV
Observing method: Listening


Mean dead time corrected Sporadic Radio Meteor activity between
1996 July 13 and 1996 August 5.
Between brackets the statistical error of one sigma.

Mean Sporadic activity, starting at UT:

 10h    11     12      13     14
 ----------------------------------
 85(5)  96(9)  90(10)  93(6)  84(8)


 18h    19     20     21      22      23      0       1       2-2.5
 --------------------------------------------------------------------
 91(9)  102(8) 112(6) 130(13) 131(11) 166(19) 178(18) 180(12) 103(11)


Mean Sporadic activity of long duration reflections > 1 sec, starting at UT:

 10h  11  12  13  14  |  18  19  20  21  22  23   0   1   2-2.5
 ---------------------+-----------------------------------------
  2    2   2   2   3  |   4   4   2   6   5   4   7   6   6


Dead time corrected counts of reflections during one hour intervals.
Between brackets the number of long duration reflections > 1 sec,
starting at UT:

  August 11                                             August 12
  18h     19       20       21       22       23       0        1        2-2.5
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 115(19) 127(12)  169(20)  216(24)  188(16)  271(36) 281(52)  320(70)  116(25)


  August 12
  10h     11      12       13       14
 -----------------------------------------
 106(18) 180(21) 138(26)  130(16)  114(10)


 . very high activity between Aug 11 23h UT and Aug 12 2h UT.


    E.P. Bus

-----------------------------------------------------
Observer: Maurice De Meyere
Location: Deurle, Belgium  (3 37' E, 51 00' N)
Frequency: 66.51 MHz
Transmitter locations (all stations of more than 10 kW):
   66.35 MHz, Klaipeda, Lithuania  12 kW, 05h00-22h00
   66.41      Siedlce   Poland     39     04h57(Sun05h57)-02h00(Sat03h00)
   66.47      Viesintos Lithuania  12     05h00-22h00
   66.50      Sofia     Bulgaria   10     24hrs
   66.56      Poznan    Poland     56     04h57(Sun05h57)-02h00(Sat03h00)
   66.62      Budapest  Hungary   100     24hrs
   66.68      Valmiera  Latvia     20     06h00-22h00
Antenna: crossed Yagi, 4 elements, astronomical azimuth 270 o (= East),
         elevation 27 o
         Antenna amplifier: 25 dB  max level  90 dBmuV
Receiver: commercial, Progresson 447A, TESLA (Bratislava)
         The receiver was calibrated with a Marconi TF2008 signal
         generator. Sensitivity: 5 muV (modulation frequency
         1000 Hz, frequency sweep 38 kHz) at (S+N)/N = 20 dB

Observing method: automated setup, 150 samples/second,  8 bit resolution.
         [Time and details of all individual meteor reflections are stored
         on file in the University of Ghent format  (Prometeos), and are
         available for further analysis. Reduction software for DOS and
         Windows available].

                            August 1996

   Raw counts of reflections with a duration of at least 0.027 s
   during one hour interval starting at UT:


    Aug |   UT
   1996 |   20h  21   22   23   00   01   02   03   04   05   06
  ------+-------------------------------------------------------
   1- 2 |   23   52   71  103  136  102  113  125   62   84   41
   2- 3 |   33   47   64   89  103  100  115  115   85   91   51
   3- 4 |   13   54   94    %  140  105  191   96   74   112  40
  ------+-------------------------------------------------------
  15-16 |    %   39    9   26   49   43   51   53   52   60   38
  16-17 |   25   33   24   34   57   44   65   64   47   58   32
  17-18 |   11   27   41   53   65   54   65   81   58   67   64
  18-19 |
  19-20 |   11   36   49  177% 206%  49   92   65   58   64   30
  20-21 |   20   20   28   29   38   26   28   32   32   40    -
  21-22 |   22   15   32   30   45   58   64   72   62   59   72
  22-23 |   14   29   28   37   42   52   67   72   52   55   30
  23-24 |    8   21   24   45   64   72   33   56   55   36   23
  24-25 |   14    8   17   49   36   34   56   44   39   38   33
  25-26 |    7   22   37   24   46   34   39   34   30   25   22
  26-27 |    4    9   12   21   22   40   32   54   46   49   37
  27-28 |                      Thunderstorms
  28-29 |                      Thunderstorms
  29-30 |    9    6    6    9   11   12   20   14   29   27   20
  30-31 |   18    5   10   26   31   28   30   39   45   34   24
  31-01 |    4    5   13   14   20   24   31   22   31   23   21
  ------+-------------------------------------------------------
   1996 |   20h  21   22   23   00   01   02   03   04   05   06
   Aug  |   UT



Notes:

 . local time = UT + 2 hours.
 . % direct reception
 . ? high count to be checked for potential sporadic E.


       Maurice De Meyere


-----------------------------------------------------
Observer: Werfried Kuneth
Location: Villach, Austria (13 53' E, 46 37' N)
Antenna: dipole with reflector
Receiver: AR-8000 at 59.2505 MHz, SSB mode,
      Narrow passband filter, no preamplifier.
Transmitter: 150 kW TV video carrier in Bucaresti,
      Romania, distance 950 km, east direction.
Observing method: the audio signal is fed into a real time FFT display
      (FFTDSP38 program from AF9Y) on the PC where 640 channels of 2 Hz width
      are recorded and stored continuously. The sensitivity of each 2 Hz wide
      channel is about -171 dBm.  Every meteor reflection (in SSB mode)
      produces a distinct whistle, which is recorded easily by the real time
      FFT program and saved in .GIF pictures of 200 seconds each.
      From the 1280 Hz wide received picture only one channel of 40 Hz width
      is used for meteor identification, the other nearby "channels" are used
      to monitor interference, which can be identified easily this way. If
      any interference occurs, the whole 200 second recording of one
      picture is not used for further processing.

 The following figures show the total length of the meteor reflections
 during one hour,expressed as percentage. The number here shows
 10 times this value. (e.g. 100 means 10 percent).

    | June 1996
 UT |  1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 ,10 ,11 ,12 ,13 ,14 ,15 ,16 ,17
 ---+-------------------------------------------------------------------
  2 |   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,163,125,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,
  3 | 58, 80, 40,149,   ,205,204,203, 85, 45,227,221, 59, 72,188,170,205
  4 |115,132,148,161,   ,237,208,180,207, 99,206,224, 67, 61,198,186,180
  5 |137,161,226,192,134,253,265,244,175, 74,184,261, 75,179,147,259,188
  6 |123,181,201,182,209,261,239,284,189,105,231,232,   ,196,164,257,125
  7 |114,   ,188,172,228,286,301,231,314, 89,181,224, 80,176,185,   ,247
  8 |113,   ,295,158,246,233,325,305,183,142,138,174,111,152,   ,   ,
  9 |108,132,275,196,212,242,316,258,272,163,171,147, 89,152,186,   ,184
 10 | 81,173,102,135,212,263,376,278,273,141,108, 79,102,159,173,   ,184
 11 | 86,   , 97,155,101,   ,457,268,195,165,101,   , 82,170,157,   ,108
 12 |105,   , 73,151, 57,   ,468,359,257,213,148,134, 77,183,164,   ,204
 13 |145,   ,281,241,250,277,514,399,223,231,252,268,   ,183,232,   ,289
 14 |114,131,246,297,217,224,397,281,208,224,172,175,   ,   ,225,   ,
 15 | 86, 98,234,221,178,193,   ,186,167,204,145,172,   ,141,156, 96,148
 16 | 55,101,   ,   ,   ,157,   ,154,107,   , 84,107,   ,143,154, 50,167
 17 | 51,   ,156,   ,   ,123,197,152,   , 91,   ,   ,   ,136,106, 54,125
 18 | 50,   ,107,   ,   , 71,132,163,   , 56,142,   ,   ,   ,   , 35, 76
 19 |
 20 |   , 65,   , 75,140,106, 88,136,123, 60, 69, 24, 28, 83,204, 76,244
 21 | 99, 60, 69,   , 90,140,123, 85,116, 52, 76, 31, 29,109,103, 85, 15
 22 | 92, 80, 93,   , 64,108,158,133,105, 71, 76, 42, 27,135,169,125, 17
 ---+-------------------------------------------------------------------
 UT |  1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , 6 , 7 , 8 , 9 ,10 ,11 ,12 ,13 ,14 ,15 ,16 ,17
    | June 1996

(new) Location: near Villach, Austria (13 37' E, 46 45 ' N)
(new) Antenna: 3 el Yagi
Receiver: AR-8000 at 48.2492 MHz, SSB mode,
      Narrow passband filter, no preamplifier.
Transmitter (assumed): 250 kw TV video carrier near Madrid, Spain,
                       distance 1550 km, southwest direction.

     |  Aug 1996
  UT |  1,  2,  3,  4,  5,  6,  7,  8,  9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17
 ----+-------------------------------------------------------------------
   0 |   , 10, 16, 13,  9,  6,  8, 12, 15,   , 53, 59, 52, 24, 32, 13,  6
   1 |  4,  9, 18,  5,  9,  4,  3,   ,   ,  7, 25, 69, 65, 26, 35, 14, 15
   2 | 13, 16, 12, 13, 20,  3, 16, 15, 36, 10, 43, 34, 65, 52, 24, 11,  4
   3 | 16, 18, 31, 24, 14,  9, 13, 21, 11,  6, 36, 35, 59, 36, 29,  8,  9
   4 | 24, 22, 31, 15, 18, 24, 13, 18, 22, 18, 40, 67, 63, 42, 38, 29, 10
   5 | 17, 12,   , 12, 13, 15, 22, 19, 20, 21, 28, 71, 37, 26,   , 19, 11
   6 | 14, 11,   , 13, 43, 16, 20, 16, 10, 22, 34, 46, 39, 24,   , 10,  3
   7 |
   8 | 31,   ,   ,   ,   , 13, 15, 26, 11, 15,   , 73, 41, 20,   ,  9, 13
   9 |   ,   ,  4, 13, 23,  8, 32,   , 10, 18, 40, 38, 18, 11,   ,  5,  4
  10 | 42, 28,  8,  8,  2, 15, 20, 11,  7,   , 29, 32, 32, 18,   , 16,
  11 |   , 12,  7,  7,  8,  8, 10, 13,  8,   , 23, 32, 57, 10,   ,  7, 10
  12 |   ,  8,   ,  6,  9,  5,   ,  7,  5,   ,  7,   , 23, 10,   ,  4,  4
  13 |  5, 13,  3,   ,   ,  2,   ,  6, 11,   , 13, 15,  7,  7,   ,  7,
  14 |   ,   ,  2,  8,   ,   ,   ,  7, 29,   , 27, 19,  2,  9,   ,  4,
  15 |   ,   ,  3,  6,   ,   ,   ,   , 10,   , 10, 22,   ,  5,   ,  2,
  16 |   ,   ,   ,   ,  6,   ,   ,   ,  5,   ,  3, 18,   ,   ,   ,   ,
  17 |   ,   ,  5,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   , 48, 20,   ,   ,   ,   ,
  18 |   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,   ,  3,
  19 |   ,   ,   ,   , 13,   ,   ,   ,   , 18,  7, 10,   ,   ,   ,   ,
  20 |  6, 12,   ,   ,   ,   ,  3,   ,   , 25, 17,   ,  9,  4,   ,   ,
  21 |   , 10,   ,  3,  4,  7,  5,   ,  6,  9, 10, 18, 15, 18,   ,   ,
  22 | 18,  8,   ,  5, 10,  7,  7, 21, 45,  8, 28, 24, 15, 12,  4,  5,
  23 | 13,  6,  8, 24,   , 22, 13, 30,  6, 18,   , 30, 18, 18,   , 10,
 ----+-------------------------------------------------------------------
     |  1,  2,  3,  4,  5,  6,  7,  8,  9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17
     |  Aug 1996


 Notes:
 . blank value means either no data available, interference,
   sporadic "E", power failure, shutdown during thunderstorms or
   transmitter shutdown.
 . local time conversion: 2 hours ahead of UT (06h00 UT is 08h00 local).

 . maximum Perseid activity during the early hours (UT) of Aug 12.

 . *** Radio Meteor Gallery is open ***
   I'd like to invite you all to my new Radio Meteor Gallery,
   with the best spectrograph pictures out of about one million
   recorded meteor reflections during last year. URL is
   <http://www.net4you.co.at/user/kuneth/gallery.html>


        Werfried Kuneth

---------------------------------------------------------------
Observer:              Kimio Maegawa
Transmitter:           50 W CW 53.7500 MHz
Transmitter antenna:   2 element Cross Yagi 4dBi, zenith
Transmitting Location: Sabae city (136 11' E, 35 56' N)
Receiver:              IC726 500 Hz BW , sensitivity  -154 dBm min
Receiver antenna:      3el Yagi 7 dBi (70 deg, SE direction) height 10 m
Receiving Location:    Ohno city  (136 53' E, 36 00' N)
Data processing : Receiver output is fed into DX2-66 MHz PC and analyzed by
                  AF9Y's FFTDSP42 software.
                  Then stored every 4.22 min automaticaly with GIF format.
                  Play back GIF files and count echoes manually by the doppler
                  shift rejecting tropo signal or airplane echo.

   Long duration echoes (t>2 sec):

     |   August 1996
  UT |   8/ 9      9/10     10/11     11/12     12/13     13/14
  ---+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+-------
  21 |    17         37        27        72        53        37
  22 |    17         20        22        55        34        29
  23 |     5         11        14        31        34        21
  00 |    10         15         5        24*       15        11
  01 |     4          7         4        31*       19        11
  02 |     2          5         0        16*       12         9
  03 |     2          5         2        10         6        11
  04 |     2          1         3         4         8         9
  05 |     0          2         1         4         4         1
  06 |     0          2         0         0         1         0
  07 |     1          0         1         0         1         2
  08 |     0          2         0         0         3         1
  09 |     0          1         5         0         2         4
  10 |     0          4         0         0         2         2
  11 |     1          1         6         0         2         3
  12 |     1          5         4         6         4         1
  13 |     0          3         4        13        13         7
  14 |     1          5        14        14        11         5
  15 |     8          9        11        20        13         8
  16 |    13         10        15        25        14        10
  17 |     9         11        30        28        16        17
  18 |    20         21        48        55        24        22
  19 |    24         20        49        60        27        21
  20 |    28         23        55        65        35        18
  ---+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+-------
  UT |   8/ 9      9/10     10/11     11/12     12/13     13/14
     |   August 1996


Notes:
 . local time = JST = UTC + 9 hours
 . the radiant was not located favorably when the Perseids maximum
   occurred: yet a significant relative increase (with respect to the adjacent
   days) is seen between 0h-2h UT on August 12.


          Kimio Maegawa

---------------------------------------------------------------
Observer:   Ton Schoenmaker
Location:   Roden, Netherlands (6 degr 26' E, 53 degr 08' N)
Frequency:  66.89 MHz
Transmitter location:
            Krakow, Poland, 120 kW, distance 980 km
Antenna:    Horizontal Yagi, 5 elements, geographical azimuth 110
            degrees (ESE), elevation 15 degrees
Receiver:   Homemade convertor 65-67 MHz to 28-30 MHz + Barlow-Wadley
            0-30 MHz receiver; total sensitivity 0.3 uV for 20 dB S/N
            with a bandwidth of 3 kHz
Observing method: Brown strip chart recorder, 9 or 18 inch/hour + occasional
            listening.


Dead time corrected counts of reflections during one hour intervals
starting at:

       |             August 1996
   UT  |   8    9    10    11    12    13    14
  -----+---------------------------------------
    0  |                  170   240!        154
    1  |                  188   354!        142
    2  |                  167   160         158
    3  |                  164   140         168
    4  |      170         170   122         144
    5  |      135         143   133         100
    6  |                  112   108   102   105
    7  |            115          92   114   110
    8  |            100   111    91   104   115
    9  |             75   116     c    82    83
   10  |             50    64    82    76    80
   11  |             38    56    76    66    87
   12  |                    *    96    63    68
   13  |                    *    88    64    62
   14  |                    *     *    60    50
   15  |                   52     *    60    61
   16  |                   48     *    86    50
   17  | 122               56     *    54    58
   18  | 124              140     *    44    47
   19  | 123               72     *    80    61
   20  | 128         53    94     *   102    52
   21  |            130    82         135
   22  |            161    91         130
   23  |            147   167!        118
  -----+---------------------------------------
   UT  |   8    9    10    11    12    13    14
       |             August 1996

Remarks: * thunder-storm.
         c continuous reception.
         ! Perseids outburst, maximum between 01 - 02 h UT.


   Ton Schoenmaker

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Observer:      Chikara Shimoda
Location:      Asahi, Nagano, Japan (137 51' E,  36 07'N)
Frequency:     81.4 MHz
Transmitter Locations:  FM-Japan  81.3 MHz, 10 kW, distance 180 km
Antenna:       5 element Yagi directed to the Zenith.
Receiver:      AM-FM Tuner (TRIO KT-1100)
Observing method:   Meteor echoes output from center-tuning meter were
               recorded on a pen-recorder chart.


 1996 |  UT
  Aug |  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20  21  22 | *(1) **(2)
 -----+-------------------------------------------------+-----------
  1   |  16  23  41  41  40  43  38  35  29  34  27  19 | 34.0  30.3
  2   |   8  18  22  34  40  35  34  44  35  25  26  15 | 26.2  29.8
  3   |  19  20  27  25  42  37  22  36  29  30  21  15 | 28.3  25.5
  4   |  12  27  26  30  45  26  42  41  42  35  25  21 | 27.7  34.3
  5   |  12  16  21  33  44  30  30  29  26  30  23  18 | 26.0  26.0
  6   |  10  21  21  33  35  23  34  26  38  26  24  26 | 23.8  29.0
  7   |   9  12  21  34  26  17  26  32  40  25  20  21 | 19.8  27.3
  8   |  13  20  23  34  32  30  24  30  24  21  15     | 25.3  22.8
  9   |   9  11  21  19  25  29  25  24  23  32  24  20 | 19.0  24.7
 10   |  11  18  25  32  30  35  39  32  29  30  30  19 | 25.2  29.8
 11   |  15  15  23  27  32  28  21  34                 | 23.3  27.5
 12   |  15  21  24  31  23  22  25  22  30  25  31  27 | 22.7  26.7
 13   |  12  21  24  30  37  29  24  33  37  20  25  16 | 25.5  25.8
 14   |          16  24  17  27  36  34  24  33  19  24 | 21.0  28.3
 15   |  12  10  17  19  27  16  21  18  19  15  22  20 | 16.8  19.2
 16   |  15  21  21  20  26  29  24  29  19  24  24  22 | 22.0  23.7
 17   |  13  21  26  28  27  22  25  20  27  28  26  20 | 22.8  24.3
 18   |  18  24  28  23  23  24  26  24  24  29  22  25 | 23.3  25.0
 19   |  10  17  14  24  11  15  16  19  25  22  20  15 | 15.2  19.5
 20   |  11  13  15  17  18  23  23  18  23  16  15  22 | 16.2  19.5
 21   |  10  12  21  15  14  17  15  23  15  14  13  16 | 14.8  16.0
 22   |   9  14  23  20  21  16  14  17  23  20  25  15 | 17.2  19.0
 23   |   9  18  19  18  17  16  26  26  15  26  23  28 | 16.2  24.0
 24   |  20  16  15  14  26  21  23  31  31  23  25  13 | 18.7  24.3
 25   |      22  14  14  14  20  21  19  21  22  22  27 | 16.8  22.0
 26   |   7  14  17  12  15  23  17  29  24  26  29  20 | 14.7  24.2
 27   |  11  27  14  25  13  15  18  22  20  23  25  17 | 17.5  20.8
 28   |  17  24  24  25  25  22  23  23  36  20  21  22 | 22.8  24.2
 29   |   9  14  20  12  19  17  19  19  16  20  22  20 | 15.2  19.3
 30   |  11      20  18      16  21  15  18  20  23  14 | 16.3  18.5
 31   |  14  11  12  18  16  20  18  13      16  15     | 15.2  15.5
 -----+-------------------------------------------------+-----------
  Aug |  11  12  13  14  15  16  17  18  19  20  21  22 | *(1) **(2)
 1996 |  UT

 **(1) average hourly rate between 11-17 UT
 **(2) average hourly rate between 17-23 UT

 Total echoes

1996  | UT
 Aug  | 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 1
4
------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
 9-10 | 27 33 30 32 35 48 41 38  - 30  -  -  - 19 15  9 16  7  7 13 12 19 25 3
8
10-11 | 39 35 27 39 29 59 47 40 42 51 45 29 21 21  8  8 14  4 12 10 20 39 49 4
8
11-12 | 47 62 50 67 72 76 66 46 49 47 44 27 31 20 20 11 11 18 13  8 19 27 26 2
9
12-13 | 31 35 41 34 34 40 55 34 34 33 17 20 20 12  8  8  3  2  7  6


 Long duration echoes (>5sec):

1996  | UT
 Aug  | 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 1
4
------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
 9-10 |  3  2  3  1  2  2  3  1  -  1  -  -  -  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1
3
10-11 |  0  2  2  5  2  6  5  6  4 10  4  1  3  1  0  0  0  0  0  1  1  0  3
0
11-12 |  3  6  5  8  4  8  7  2  3  2  4  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1
3
12-13 |  5  1  0  3  1  6  5  5  3  1  0  0  1  0  0  0  1  0  2  0


 - Perseids maximum took place on 1996/08/12  02h UT.
 - local time = JST = UT + 9 hours


   Chikara Shimoda

---------------------------------------------------------------
Observer:      Kazuhiro Suzuki
               HARO (Radio Meteor Observation using HAM)
Location:      Toyokawa Meteor Observatory (137.32 deg E, 34.81 deg N)
               Shiinoki, Toyokawa-city, Aichi, 442, JAPAN
Transmitter:   JA9BOH 53.7500 MHz, CW 50 W
Antenna:       Dipole (height 7 m, to zenith)
Receiver:      IC-575 (ICOM)  LSB  BW 2.5 kHz
Transmitter location: Sabae (in Fukui pref.), about 150 km
               north north-west from receiving station.
Method of echo sampling: After image procedure was done by PC with FFT
                   software, echoes(>10 dB(S/N)) were counted.


 Total echo rates:

 1996 | UT
  Aug | 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 1
4
------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
31- 1 | 51 56 53 56 56 45 45 51 44 35 33 21 34 27 24 20 12 13 13 17 33 28 35 5
6
 1- 2 | 72 50 50 51 40 50 35 32 31 25 37 24 17 24 20 14 15 16 15 14 24 26 36 6
5
 2- 3 | 65 48 69 66 49 41 44 51 41 36 32 25 21 26 26 20    13 12 14 25 36 48 5
0
 3- 4 | 68 49 55 52 56 51 31@42 43 33 19@24 26 22 19 20 12 14 13 13 18 22 28 4
5
 4- 5 | 49 32 40 42 31 29 44 42 26 28@18@18 14 19 18 12 15 12 17 14@12   @27 3
9
 5- 6 | 41 47 48 43 45 55 65@54 35 33 32 25 25 26 23 14 17 15 13 15 27 31   @3
7
 6- 7 | 67 53 59 68 70 68 45 47 24            @24@14@14@12@12@12 16 20 24 36 6
1
 7- 8 | 50 48 59 75 74 55 50 56 45 39 29 32 22 24 21 14 11 12 12    25 27 42 7
3
 8- 9 | 55 43 57 62 66 76 71 60 32 28 31 26 35 22@31 19 16 14 10 17 25 30 41 4
8
 9-10 | 61 52 40 63 72 67 78 61 45 32 24 32 21 23 22@20@12@12 13 21 36 33 48 5
1
10-11 | 54 70 80 70 87 76 60@59@52      @38 33 28 18@18 17 15 17 19 24@34 38 5
6
11-12 | 51 61 79 93107 98@71 71 93 64 62 43 37 25 29@12 14 17 13 14 25 50 68 8
0
12-13 | 74 93 97116104 82102 91@50 45 49 38 40 39@15 21 21 26 15@21 29 24 42 4
7
13-14 | 62 68 77 78102 93 87 89 58 40 36 34 36 32@21@22    14 12 16 23 28 35 3
6
14-15 | 32 30 39 52 45 31 30@36 48 35 32 29 18 21@22 13 18 16 15 12 19 29 43 4
5
15-16 | 44 41 38 44 39 22 42@27 34 36 35 27 29 21 17 17 15 13 12 14 17 34 35 3
2
16-17 | 46 50 53 48 47 47 47@51 52 29 27 20 20 21 21 17 21 18 12 19 29 20 32 3
5
17-18 | 37 23 28 30 40 39 50 48@40 39 35 39 23 22@26@17 24 16 17 19 27 35 37 3
4
18-19 | 51 31 33 46 37 38 47 27@35 25 20@23                        @21 31 27 3
7
19-20 | 37 33 48 41 44 46 37 41@48 32 27 28 18 24@22 17 15 16 14 15@25 38 28 3
3
20-21 | 33 30 42 51 34 30@37 33 38 29 27 21 31 23 22 20 14 12 15@16 18 31 23 3
7
21-22 | 43 35 41 43 47         @48 41@32   @37 27 31 24 24 18 16@14@17 24 36 3
6
22-23 | 42 35 35 43 44 46 51 48 44 39 37 29 35 28 17 26 23 16 17 16@21 32 39 4
4
23-24 | 39 35 39 38 43 37@44 52 46 44 38 36 34 28 28 25 19 18 16 14 19 30 38 3
4
24-25 | 26 29 39 35 35 29@30                                       @20 24 34 5
8
25-26 | 38 40 43 49 52 37 46@48@45@31 27 37 27 25 24 23 18 20 20 19 18 26 39 3
5
26-27 | 39 39 48 42 34 41 38 31@33@34 35 26 24 24 20 20 25 17 20 20 34 25 38 3
8
27-28 | 31 31 48 56 51 54 50 57 49
------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
  Aug | 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 1
4
 1996 | UT


 Long lasting (>20 sec.) echo rates:


 1996 | UT
  Aug | 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 1
4
------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
10-11 |  6  5  7  6 13  9  7  6 11  6  3  2  2  2  1  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  1
2
11-12 |  1  6  5 16 21 21@13 18 17 23 16 10  8  2  3  0  0  0  0  0  2  2  5
5
12-13 |  6 18 17 27 12  9 21 18@10  9  9  5  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  4
6
13-14 |  5  6  6 14 16 20 21 15 10  5  2  2  2  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
0
14-15 |  0  1  2  3  5  5  2 @2  4  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  1
0
15-16 |  2  2  1  2  0  0  2  0  0  1  1  1  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0
0
16-17 |  0  1  3  1  4  2  2  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
1
17-18 |  1  1  0  0  0  0  1  2  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
0
18-19 |  0  1  0  0  3  2  0  0 @0  0  0 @0                          0  0  0
0
19-20 |  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0 @1  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
1
20-21 |  1  0  0  1  0  5  1  0  1  0  0  0  2  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0
0
------+-----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
   UT | 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 1
4

 Notes:

 - @nn =corrected hourly rates (observed for less than 60 min).

 - local time = JST = UT + 9 hours.


      Kazuhiro Suzuki

---------------------------------------------------------------
Observer:  Ilkka Yrjola
Location:  Finland  (26 35' E, 60 54' N)
Frequency: 87.360 MHz
Receiver: Salora SRP-22 modified, narrow band FM (B=15 kHz).
          detected signal level >-122 dBm.
FM detection, no pulse noise rejection required.
Antenna: 2 element Yagi with 4 dBd gain to SW, azimuth:  45 o (SW)
Data sampling system: threshold triggering, sampling rate 64 ms.
  Computer logs total hourly elapsed reflection time, number of
  threshold crossings for the hour, the longest time the signal was
  continuously above detection level for the hour.
  Data stored in the Compact MS-Soft format. Software for viewing available
  from FTP.FUNET.FI  pub/ham/vhf-work/mssoft43.zip (new version!)

  Counts in one hour intervals starting at:


                    delta Aquarids 1996

           |     July 1996
       UT  |     27       28       29       30
       ----+----------------------------------
        0  |    409      409      559      584
        1  |    433      426      544      433
        2  |    472      398      598      421
        3  |    502      428      353      393
        4  |    484      394      534      366
        5  |    291      350      409      316
        6  |    270      309      290      359
        7  |    362      216      247      405
        8  |    568      238      291      333
        9  |    329      143      328      309
       10  |    235      167      211      258
       11  |    183      134      246      221
       12  |    168      204      251      219
       13  |    186      207      165      220
       14  |    192      180      117      154
       15  |    203      177       97      150
       16  |    154      136      124      144
       17  |    121      124      131      150
       18  |    128       79      163      133
       19  |    176       95      115      177
       20  |    147      112      139      213
       21  |    156      174      248      250
       22  |    275      358      364      348
       23  |    321      514      462      450
       ----+----------------------------------
       UT  |     27       28       29       30
           |     July 1996


                     Perseids 1996

           |     August 1996
       UT  |     11       12       13       14
       ----+----------------------------------
        0  |    457     1415      547      380
        1  |    509     1179      662      728
        2  |    417     1085      759      416
        3  |    424      760      628      422
        4  |    430      595      552      545
        5  |    396      732      654      300
        6  |    457      914      536      372
        7  |    641     1018      658      488
        8  |    449      767      540      436
        9  |    394      847      585      348
       10  |    312      584      551      291
       11  |    415      542      606      381
       12  |    231      708      530      286
       13  |    270      518      286      188
       14  |    214      265      325      134
       15  |    187      199      198      127
       16  |    176      278      156      129
       17  |    221      191      117       81
       18  |    158      243      164       99
       19  |    377      200      149      136
       20  |    329      277      134      127
       21  |    419      321      507      218
       22  |    487      633      355      354
       23  |    717      453      296      279
       ----+----------------------------------
       UT  |     11       12       13       14
           |     August 1996


 . strong Perseids activity between Aug 12, 0h-2h UT, and Aug 12, 6h-8h UT.


    Ilkka Yrjola / via M. De Meyere

---------------------------------------------------------------
Observer:   W.T. Zanstra
Location:   Appingedam, Netherlands (6 degr 51' E, 53 degr 19' N)
Frequency:  72.11 MHz
Transmitter location: Wroclaw, Poland, 130 kW, distance 735 km
            (16 degr 43' E, 50 degr 52' N)
Antenna:    Yagi, 5 elements, geographical azimuth 110 degr (ESE),
            elevation 12 degrees
Receiver:   Bearcat UBC 177 XLT Scanning Radio, sensitivity 0.3 uV
Observing method: Listening

Dead time corrected counts of reflections during one hour intervals
starting at:

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 15:23:25 GMT
From: "Stacey E. Mills, M.D." <[e-mail]>
Subject: WTB: SatTrak-IV

If anyone has one of Ron Long's (Kiron Corp) SatTrak-IV  satellite tracker/tun
er
units for sale, please let me know.  I'd be interested in either a completed u
nit,
or an unassembled kit.

you can E-mail me direct at:
[e-mail]

Thanks.

------------------------------

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Ham-Space Digest            Wed,  4 Sep 96       Volume 96 : Issue  270

Today's Topics:
                      'modes.dat' for 'SatTrack'
                                (none)
                        ARLK063 Keplerian data
                      Ham-Space Digest V96 #266
                      Help: re pacsats (2 msgs)
           Indiana repeater/ATV/Packet APRS Balloon Launch
                           Kep Data AUG 30
                           Radio Astronomy
        WTB: Low Output or Dead High Power Transmitting Tubes

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 22:23:29 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: 'modes.dat' for 'SatTrack'

In <[e-mail]> Tovar <[e-mail]> writes:

>Can someone suggest where/how i can get a current version of 'modes.dat'
>(which contains frequencies and modes of operation), including, for
>example, JAS-2?  It seems like a real waste to get the whole SatTrack
>package just to get that one file.  Or, did i miss something and there's
>some easy way of getting that?

You can just edit it yourself, using a text editor.

Rob
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------------------------------

Date: 3 Sep 1996 18:04:54 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: ARLK063 Keplerian data

SB KEP @ ARL $ARLK063
ARLK063 Keplerian data

ZCZC SK63
QST de W1AW
Keplerian Bulletin 63  ARLK063

------------------------------

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Ham-Space Digest            Sat, 31 Aug 96       Volume 96 : Issue  266

Today's Topics:
                         wx satellites frqs?

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Date: 27 Aug 1996 11:57:38 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Terry Fugate)
Subject: wx satellites frqs?

In article <4volfs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Luis Velis) says:
>
>Hi Folks
>
>Can someone tell me some wx satellites freqs so i can monitor their
>trasmissions..
>
>luis
>Luis A Velis
>Hamradio operator
>[e-mail]
>
Try 137.5MHz and 137.620MHz.  The wxsats "broadcast" in FM and the
bw is about 50KHz.  A NFM scanner will allow to listen, but not
to receive and display an image.  When a wxsat is at a higher elevation
you can hear them on a handheld scanner with the rubber duckie antenna.
Serious recpetion is a bit tougher.

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------------------------------

Date: 2 Sep 1996 20:42:50 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ken N2SQW)
Subject: Help: re pacsats

I've been involved with the analog sats for over a year now, and am
thinking of trying the digital birds next. What suggestions do you have
regarding a relatively inexpensive way to get on the pacsats? I'm using a
Yaesu FT736R transceiver for the sats. I have a typical terrestrial packet
setup, so I'm familiar with packet from that point of view.
Thanks, and 73, Ken

Please reply either here, or preferably, via E-Mail.
My E-Mail address is:    KenN2SQW @ AOL.COM

------------------------------

Date: 2 Sep 1996 20:46:14 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ken N2SQW)
Subject: Help: re pacsats

I've been involved with the analog sats for over a year now, and am
thinking of trying the digital birds next. What suggestions do you have
regarding a relatively inexpensive way to get on the pacsats? I'm using a
Yaesu FT736R transceiver for the sats. I have a typical terrestrial packet
setup, so I'm familiar with packet from that point of view.
Thanks, and 73, Ken

Please reply either here, or preferably, via E-Mail.
My E-Mail address is:    KenN2SQW @ AOL.COM

------------------------------

Date: 3 Sep 1996 21:47:11 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Darwin Teague)
Subject: Indiana repeater/ATV/Packet APRS Balloon Launch

In article <50gbe3$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Hank Riley) wrote:
>         CENTRAL INDIANA REPEATER/ATV/GPS PACKET BALLOON LAUNCH
>
>
>     Region:            Central Indiana
>
>     Date/Time:         Saturday, September 7 / 7:00-8:00 AM EDT,
>                        11:00-12:00 UTC
>
>     Location:          Greentown, Indiana (8 miles east
>                        of Kokomo)
>
>     Other states where
>     the signals will
>     reach easily:      Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, Kentucky
>
>     Site Coordinates:  approximate for initial antenna heading;
>                        (not for navigating to launch site)
>                        40' 29" North Lat.
>                        85' 58" West Long.
>
>     ATV:               439.25 MHz AM NTSC from live camera
>
ease email me news of upcoming balloon launches and post-flight
>reports for distribution on the Net.
>
>Hank Riley, N1LTV
>[e-mail]

Could you please tell me how to receive the video? Is it a TV-UHF frequency? I

have an old Rabbit receiver, but don't know what frequency it's on....

------------------------------

Date: 03 Sep 1996 16:32:41 GMT
From: [e-mail] (karl dundee)
Subject: Kep Data AUG 30

SB KEP ARL ARLK062
ARLK062 Keplerian data

Thanks to Con, W5BWF, for the following Keplerian data.

Decode 2-line elsets with the following key:
1 AAAAAU 00  0  0 BBBBB.BBBBBBBB  .CCCCCCCC  00000-0  00000-0 0  DDDZ
2 AAAAA EEE.EEEE FFF.FFFF GGGGGGG HHH.HHHH III.IIII JJ.JJJJJJJJKKKKKZ
[More]

[H[2JKEY: A-CATALOGNUM B-EPOCHTIME C-DECAY D-ELSETNUM E-INCLINATION F-RAAN
G-ECCENTRICITY H-ARGPERIGEE I-MNANOM J-MNMOTION K-ORBITNUM Z-CHECKSUM

Mir
1 16609U 86017A   96243.15987200  .00005643  00000-0  69649-4 0 06634
2 16609  51.6479 111.3895 0010890 113.1525 247.0619 15.61839755601567
AO-10
1 14129U 83058B   96238.89296850  .00000038  00000-0  10000-3 0 04503
2 14129  25.9885 192.7666 6032591  43.4713 350.6635  2.05881051071300
RS-10/11
1 18129U 87054A   96243.12495366  .00000043  00000-0  31154-4 0 02702
2 18129  82.9252  93.8965 0011327 317.5344  42.4933 13.72368848460311
UO-11
1 14781U 84021B   96243.08189460  .00000052  00000-0  16619-4 0 09282
2 14781  97.8049 230.5371 0010768 212.3265 147.7278 14.69474704668501
RS-12/13
1 21089U 91007A   96243.24154866  .00000106  00000-0  96024-4 0  9146
2 21089  82.9242 134.4364 0031269  27.5358 332.7445 13.74073559279207
AO-13
1 19216U 88051B   96242.87739060  .00042317 -56196-6  32491-2 0 02629
2 19216  57.1197  95.2216 7435843  49.2705 354.8364  2.11602023031393
UO-14
[More]

[H[2J1 20437U 90005B   96243.15199014 -.00000001  00000-0  16439-4 0 02233
2 20437  98.5418 324.7746 0011391 349.5231  10.5714 14.29929318344623
RS-15
1 23439U 94085A   96243.51267932 -.00000039  00000-0  10000-3 0  1580
2 23439  64.8140 262.8843 0159849 186.0930 173.8051 11.27528259 69161
AO-16
1 20439U 90005D   96242.75714771 -.00000025  00000-0  73308-5 0 00225
2 20439  98.5563 326.7377 0011599 351.5732   8.5253 14.29982402344580
DO-17
1 20440U 90005E   96242.77209094 -.00000005  00000-0  14829-4 0 00091
2 20440  98.5574 327.4273 0011925 350.2902   9.8047 14.30124402344614
WO-18
1 20441U 90005F   96243.11333729 -.00000062  00000-0 -71975-5 0 00274
2 20441  98.5582 327.6941 0011997 349.4426  10.6447 14.30093448344662
LO-19
1 20442U 90005G   96243.24342908 -.00000009  00000-0  13172-4 0    58
2 20442  98.5602 328.3495 0012339 348.2503  11.8389 14.30203343344702
FO-20
1 20480U 90013C   96243.06147822  .00000005  00000-0  90788-4 0 09150
2 20480  99.0242 253.8642 0540344 317.1412  38.8714 12.83234222307360
AO-21
1 21087U 91006A   96243.11027502  .00000094  00000-0  82657-4 0 07494
[More]

[H[2J2 21087  82.9385 266.9913 0036417   1.9212 358.2076 13.74571250280160
UO-22
1 21575U 91050B   96243.13481910  .00000020  00000-0  20972-4 0 07147
2 21575  98.3459 307.3011 0008479  47.6015 312.5893 14.37033856268687
KO-23
1 22077U 92052B   96242.88123072 -.00000037  00000-0  10000-3 0 06093
2 22077  66.0815  35.1637 0014742 280.5708  79.3649 12.86297786190283
KO-25
1 22828U 93061F   96243.10813531 -.00000025  00000-0  73021-5 0 04886
2 22828  98.5727 317.5525 0010663   4.3734 355.7544 14.28149446120668
IO-26
1 22826U 93061D   96243.14450693  .00000006  00000-0  20153-4 0 05116
2 22826  98.5772 317.5261 0010159  17.7957 342.3575 14.27811246152550
AO-27
1 22825U 93061C   96243.15382119 -.00000013  00000-0  12298-4 0 05102
2 22825  98.5775 317.3542 0009540  17.0332 343.1166 14.27701931152547
PO-28
1 22829U 93061G   96243.12574615 -.00000030  00000-0  52013-5 0 04970
2 22829  98.5740 317.6347 0010695   5.5570 354.5731 14.28130912152582

Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Tuesday,
[More]

[H[2JSeptember 3, 1996, at 2230z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 22:51:13 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
Subject: Radio Astronomy

[e-mail] (Stephen Reader) wrote:

>Hi uk.radio.amateur!
>                               Help required, does anybody have a current
>contact address for "BARAS" British Amateur Radio Astonomy Society. And can
>anybody help with info and advice on setting up a radio telescope to
>monitor solar emisionns. Any info , help or advice will be much apreciated.
>           73 de Steve.
>Stephen Reader   RNARS 0951.  RS93463

>--- OffRoad 1.9e registered to Stephen Reader

Hello, Stephen:

Take a look at my Home Page at:

http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

I have a Ham Radio and Amateur Astronomy area where the Astronomy area
focuses on Amateur Radio Astronomy.

Take Care & 73




Marty Albert - [e-mail]
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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 08:02:39
From: [e-mail] (Jim Bieberich)
Subject: WTB: Low Output or Dead High Power Transmitting Tubes

I want to buy dead power transmitting tubes.  Tubes must not be broken or
physically damaged.  I'm interested in tubes with power dissapations 250 watts
to 10,000 watts.  Let me know what you have and I'll give you a quote.

73s

Jim Bieberich
WA6WJI
San Jose, CA

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SB KEP ARL ARLK063
ARLK063 Keplerian data

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Keplerian bulletins are transmitted twice weekly from W1AW.
The next scheduled transmission of these data will be Saturday,
September 7, 1996, at 2230z on Baudot and AMTOR.
NNNN
/EX

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gerard Foley)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.,amateur.digital
Subject: Re: "Exotic" HF Digital vs. CW,SSB
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Date: 15 Sep 1996 17:13:20 -0400
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Jim Reid ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The HF digital  "-tor" and Clovor modes are evidently not suited to
: the usual  ( that is,  what is going on now) for today's HF radio
: amateur.  I had a KAM Plus for awhile, and found you can neither
: send nor expect to hear a call for QSO by sending a CQ out on
: a random frequency somewhere in the generally agreed upon
: digital band windows.  You can with an RTTY siganl,  but all the
: others,  I was told,  require a prearainged freq,time schedule!
: Is this true?

<snip>

   I see a number of answers to this, all of them asserting that
unscheduled contacts are possible with the TOR modes.  I agree
that I used to be able to make AMTOR qso's without prearrangement.

   What neither the poster nor the respondents take up is the
unsuitability of the lower priced HF transceivers for digital
modes.  The SSB selectivity is insufficient, and there is generally
no way to offset the passband of a selective filter (which is
usually available for cw> to feed the output to commercial
decoders.  That's what's keeping me off the air in digital
modes.  I have an ICO 737, but I think the same problems
exist with all the compact less expensive sets.

K8EF


--
Gerry


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:09 1996
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From: "Jim Reid" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: "Exotic" HF Digital vs. CW,SSB
Date: 16 Sep 1996 19:08:26 GMT
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Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote in article

Wow Gary!!

Your post was probably the most lucid and helpful bit (to
a guy such as I am: offical old fart) about the digital modes
I have read!  Thank you so much for the food for thought.
Guess I must get busy and learn a bit about Pactor,  which
now,  from other posts,  seems to have two ot three variants;
and,  of course Clover,  what ever that is.  Will probably find
these take some gear I don't now have,  though, I think
the Kam Plus I sold  might have done Pactor,  not sure.
Did do something called G-tor,  but never tried it.

My impression now is that not most,  but everything I learned
before is now obsolete! (See my note somewhere on here
about the street car control system I was examined about;
even had to take a field trip to SF to view the marvel!).  Rather
like the problems on high power AC line transmission I had to
solve:  were based upon the  Hoover(aka Boulder) Dam transmission
line problems.

I guess this was similar to the req that I pass a test in the German
language:  it is good for you in your "liberal" university education.
Wonder if that is a valid argument for continuing CW testing
for HF ham licenses?  It is broadening,  and helps one appreciate
the culture and language of others!

73,  Jim, AH6NB




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Doyle Souders)
Subject: 4-5 kw Generator Recommendations??
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I am interested in purchasing a 4-5 KW generator for our Radio Club.
Its highest use will most likely be Field Day outings and some other
emergency preparedness events.  My question is which way to go?  The
local Home Depot sells 5KW Coleman generators for around $600 and it
sells Honda 4 KW generators for around $800.  I would like some reports
on pros and cons for various 4-5 KW generators in the $500-$900 price
range.  Any points you could share on picking a reliable generator
would be appreciated.  Obviously it will not be running continuously
but it could have periods where it does run 24-48 hours of near
continuous duty.  Thanks for the inputs.. Doyle KG6MY


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Kerns)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 4-5 kw Generator Recommendations??
Date: 19 Sep 1996 01:10:30 GMT
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Have used both, buy the Honda.  My friend works at a alternator/generator
rebuilding company (independent company serviceing many diffrent types)
and told me he sees many of the Coleman units in for repair.  I don't know
if that means there are just more of them out there or if they break
quicker than the Hondas...

73 Steve N3FTI
[e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>I am interested in purchasing a 4-5 KW generator for our Radio Club.
>Its highest use will most likely be Field Day outings and some other
>emergency preparedness events.  My question is which way to go?  The
>local Home Depot sells 5KW Coleman generators for around $600 and it
>sells Honda 4 KW generators for around $800.  I would like some reports
>on pros and cons for various 4-5 KW generators in the $500-$900 price
>range.  Any points you could share on picking a reliable generator
>would be appreciated.  Obviously it will not be running continuously
>but it could have periods where it does run 24-48 hours of near
>continuous duty.  Thanks for the inputs.. Doyle KG6MY



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Mitchell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: 610V deliveries
Date: 17 Sep 1996 03:05:34 GMT
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FWIW, I talked with the FCC poc for the vanity program recently and
learned the following:

All 610V forms received by the lock box agent in Pittsburgh will be date
stamped only.  The time order in which they are received there will not
have any effect on when they are processed.  Any 610V date stamped for
September 23 will have as much chance as any other to be near the top of
the pile.

This is posted so those considering extra expense, such as driving to the
delivery point, standing in some line out front waiting for the doors to
open so as to gain an advantage might consider less expensive and time
consuming means to ensure their form arrives sometime on the 23rd.  I
plan to use US mail, two day guaranteed delivery, and postmark on Friday.

BTW, the FCC has only one, that's right, one full time person in charge
of entering all of the 610Vs!!!  Expect some long delays in processing
the deluge that will surely hit Monday the 23rd.

73,
John WD4MUR



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (cRiTTa66)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ADMS-1C for Yaesu ft-50 and others
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 00:18:36 GMT
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Can someone that has the software zip up the disk and e-mail or post
it to me? Im going to atempt to make my own link from the computer to
a yaesu. (sora like the $5 paralell port conector, if you know
anything about ti-85's)


thanx

[e-mail]
ADMS-1C


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (bnr)
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Subject: Re: ADMS-1C for Yaesu ft-50 and others
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Robert F. Good ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (cRiTTa66) wrote:
:
: >Can someone that has the software zip up the disk and e-mail or post
: >it to me? Im going to atempt to make my own link from the computer to
:
: This software is not Freeware or Shareware, I paid for mine, I hope no
: one gives you theirs.  they are violating the copyright and their
: software license if they do.

And in my opinion, well worth the cost just for the support you receive.
I had a problem and a quick call to RT Systems had my problem resolved.  I
looked at the phone bill and the call was so short the toll charges were
under $1!  If pirated software becomes a problem for them...who would
expect this to continue?  Not much in life is free, and you usually get
what you pay for.

Brian Raines     N3XWJ  ||  www.universe.digex.net/~bnr/3000.html
[e-mail]  ||  The Uniden BC3000xlt



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert F. Good)
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Subject: Re: ADMS-1C for Yaesu ft-50 and others
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:25:41 GMT
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[e-mail] (cRiTTa66) wrote:

>Can someone that has the software zip up the disk and e-mail or post
>it to me? Im going to atempt to make my own link from the computer to


This software is not Freeware or Shareware, I paid for mine, I hope no
one gives you theirs.  they are violating the copyright and their
software license if they do.

Regards, Bob, AE4XG


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From: Trond Ofstad <[e-mail]>
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Subject: alinco dj-191e mods
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I need information on expanded RX for my Alinco DJ-191E.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Zack Widup)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Amateur testing
Date: 17 Sep 1996 04:05:14 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] () says:

>In <51k6j7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nick England) writes:
>>Let me ask a question to the folks proposing better theory testing as a
>>substitute for code testing :
>>
>>Do you really believe there could ever be a serious technical test which
>>would limit access to the HF bands ? Politically speaking, I mean. I'll
>>grant you that it is possible to write and administer a meaningful
>>technical test.
>>
>
>Why is the primary focus on testing ALWAYS as a means to "limit access
>to the HF bands" ???
>
>We need more people, not less ... but yes, they should be qualified to
>safely operate radios without hurting themselves or others, and without
>causing harmful interference to other services ... that's all.
>
>That's why a reasonable technical test is needed ... a CW test is NOT.
>
>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]

I agree with this.

The amateur service is the only radio service which permits its operators
to operate non-type-accepted equipment. I think the idea is to have
people who are sufficiently technically competent that they don't wreak
havoc.

I am one of those crazy people who likes to go up on hilltops with homebrew
microwave equipment.  If I had no concern for the quality of my signal or
didn't know how to test it, I could conceivably end up getting into some
commercial microwave system when I transmit. I sure wouldn't want that!

Perhaps since the VE program has made it easier to take an amateur exam,
some practical demonstration should be part of a test. Something like
demonstrating knowledge of the use of a voltmeter, frequency counter, GDO
etc.

73, Zack W9SZ

--



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Kerns)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Amplifiers: Class C, etc Whats the difference?
Date: 16 Sep 1996 01:28:34 GMT
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Close but not precise Bill,  I know of no way to produce SSB signals by plate
modulating a final amplifier.  You can produce a modulated AM signal (carrier,
upper sideband and lower sideband) by plate modulation, but you cannot produce

a SSB (single side band) signal by plate modulating a final amplifier

Yes a AB1 amp is not as "linear" as a class B amp, when was the last time you
saw a commercial class B amplifier advertised for sale on the amateur market?
The question posed and answered was concerning a transistor amplifer the OM is

looking to purchase for two meter work.

73
Steve N3FTI

In article <51dptr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Steven Kerns ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Without getting too deep, a class C amplifier is biased off when when a
>: drive signal is not present, it is not a linear amplifier and can only
>: be used as a amplifier for CW or FM modes.  A class AB-1 amplifier is a
>
>Close, but not precise. With plate modulation, a Class C amplifier is
>perfectly acceptable for AM or SSB.
>
>: linear amplifer being biased in the linear region of the active device.
>
>It is close to being "linear", but still produces some distortion of the
>signal. We accept the distortion for the improved efficiency of the amp.
>
>Bill



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This site has 1X2.  I don't know about 1X3.   You can make a list and check it
 on a call
server.  I have been told by a ARRL official you can also request future calls
 like
KZ6ZZZ.

Don AC6TG




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:22 1996
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From: "Paul Christenson [N3EOP]" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone use a Part 15 FM Transmitter??
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:36:38 -0700
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dwh wrote:
>
> Hello,
>   I am looking to hear from tech's that have experimented with the
> Part 15 FM Transmitters for broadcasting.    I was thinking about
> getting one of the Ramsey Kits to play with.  Has anyone had any luck
> with range and etc..on these low power tx'er?

If you plan on sending in stereo, be sure to get one that uses a crystal
for the stereo pilot tone.  That is a critical frequency setting.  My
friend had an early one (may have been Ramsey) that used a trimmer cap
for setting the pilot tone frequency.  The radio worked fine and sounded
good in mono, but we couldn't keep it in stereo.  Others that have built
the crystal controlled transmitters reported no problems at all.

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         | 800/88-CYCLADES (882-9252) or [phone], x258 |
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Neff)
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Subject: Re: ARASNE Special Event Station
Date: 18 Sep 1996 12:39:02 -0700
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[e-mail] (Dave Finley) wrote:


>WHAT, MICHAEL???  These are all frequencies in the PHONE BANDS!  Do you
>have something against CW?

>Dave, N1IRZ

So, when did they change the rules banning CW from phone sections of
amateur bands?

(GRIN)

Rob Neff (N7ORY)





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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB063
ARLB063 WA2LQQ, SK

ZCZC AG43
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 63  ARLB063
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 17, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB063
ARLB063 WA2LQQ, SK

Former AMSAT-NA president and QST columnist and author Vern ''Rip''
Riportella, WA2LQQ, of Warwick, New York, died September 13, 1996,
of an apparent heart attack. He was 52. A former US Air Force
officer, Riportella was the third president of AMSAT-NA and served
from 1984 until 1987, and he's credited with being a prime mover
behind OSCARs 10 and 13. ''Rip'' served for a time as QST's Amateur
Satellite Communications column editor and wrote several articles
for QST on satellites. He also founded the AMSAT Satellite Report
(now the OSCAR Satellite Report).

In more recent years, he was involved in the installation and
upgrading of packet radio equipment aboard the Russian space
station, Mir. Services will be private. His wife, Ellen, survives.
Condolences may be sent in care of the Strong-Basile Memorial
Chapel, 75 Main St, Warwick, NY 10990 or to the family's mailing
address, Box 177, Warwick, NY 10990.
NNNN
/EX


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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP038
ARLP038 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP58
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 38  ARLP038
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  September 13, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP038
ARLP038 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity was down last week, with the sunspot numbers below
the 90 day average of 71 on every day.  Solar flux was down an
average of over 4 and sunspot numbers down an average of 11
compared to the week previous.  September 10 was a disturbed day,
with an A index of 25 and the K index as high as 5 over several
periods.

Look for solar flux to peak around the mid-seventies from September
23 to 25.  Disturbed or stormy conditions are forecast around
September 26.  Current unsettled geomagnetic conditions are
expected to quiet down from September 14 to 20.

Sunspot Numbers for September 5 through 11 were 0, 0, 15, 15, 0, 0
and 0, with a mean of 4.3.  10.7 cm flux was 70.3, 69.7, 69.5,
68.2, 67.9, 68, and 67.6, with a mean of 68.7.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <50qlto$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (A
nthony S. Pelliccio) writes:
>In article <50nufc$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>As I said in another post, packet radio USER links should be
>>ROUTINELY running at 56-64kbps MINIMUM and "backbone" links at T1
>>(1.544Mbps) or faster.
>>
>How I'd love to see packet links at 56KB and higher. I believe the real reaso
n>
>reason we don't have links that fast is due to the commercial interests
>not the lack of technical skill.

Commercial interests? Are you proposing that there is a conspiracy
among amateur manufacturers to hold packet speeds down? What about
the GRAPES 56 kb RF modem? It has been available for 8 years as a
kit, and is now available W&T from PacComm. If you want 56 kb packet
links, there's your commercial off the shelf solution.

Some of us have been running 56 kb down here for 8 years. You could
have been doing the same thing. Why didn't you?

Could it be because you didn't have a critical mass of digit heads
to make it happen? That seems likely. Networks aren't much good
unless there are enough people wanting to be connected to make them
worth installing. Fortunately, we were able to achieve critical
mass down here, but not without a lot of work preaching the gospel
and overcoming the myths of the naysayers.

I don't know how many miles a core group of us have travelled to
put on demonstrations and to teach seminars. I even produced a
half hour tutorial video. We had to produce a paradigm shift in
the minds of a lot of folks who were stuck in the rut of thinking
that you had to use a FM voice radio to do packet, or those who
whined "I can't type that fast". Fortunately, we found some new
blood who hadn't yet had their minds closed and thought that some
real speed would let them do neat new things. It does.

But sad to say, more 1200 baud operators pop up every day and
decide to build a "network" on 145.01 MHz. They have to learn
all over again what the words "congestive collapse" mean. Sigh.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:28 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
Date: 15 Sep 1996 17:46:05 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
>>(Carl wrote:)
>>There should be no need for agreements ... standards already exist
>>(you're using them as you read this ... TCP/IP, SMTP, POP, NNTP, etc.
>>etc.  No need to re-invent the wheel ... interoperability is also
>>important ... otherwise the ampr.org domain is DOOMED to perpetual
>>isloation ...  the place where there's LOTs of room for improvement and
>>experimentation and advancement by hams is in Layer 1 and Layer 2 and in
>>the Application Layer ...
>
>You don't understand, Carl. Jim has touched on a very real problem.
>Data networks are 90% people and organization, and 10% technology.
>We have the technology in hand, that's not the problem. The problem
>is to have the people and organizational structures in place to erect,
>operate, and maintain the network. This is expensive, time consuming,
>and requires an enormous amount of planning, coordination, and politicking.
>This is where critical mass becomes vital.
>

Peace ... my point was that there should be vitually NO bickering about
protocols and so forth .... the TCP/IP protocols are the defacto
standard for interoperability and AX.25, ROSE, NETROM, and any other
TNC-based kluges should be abandoned (rules changes should happen at
allow this immediately, if not sooner).

>It is necessary to develop a consensus among a large enough group to
>form a critical mass in order for a network to be successful. In essence,
>a club has to be formed in much the same way that clubs are formed around
>regular voice repeaters. We call them LANs (though technically they should
>be called MANs). And there needs to be an umbrella structure erected to
>encompass multiple LANs, tying them into one coherent network. Generically,
>that's a WAN, in Georgia, we call this GRAPES. It is structured as a club
>of clubs, IE its members are the actual LANs it encompasses, not individuals.
>
>Forging the consensus is the hardest part. As Jim notes, when you get
>a group of hams in a room, it gets mighty cramped due to all the big
>egos involved. It requires a deft political touch to get all these
>people to agree on what to have for lunch, much less on how to structure
>and build a network. We were fortunate to have a few people with just
>such political skills. This still didn't happen overnight. It took years
>of work, and still takes work to hold it together.
>

Agreed ... the egos and politics are the biggest barriers to gatting
anything done.

>As with most voluntary organizations, the main problem is that 100%
>of the members have opinions, but only 2% are willing to actually
>do any work. Those 2% can be easily burnt out if you're not careful.
>There's no way that a small core networking group can maintain a
>statewide network by themselves. In Georgia, the mileage alone is
>daunting. So each LAN is charged with maintaining its own equipment,
>and contributing to the maintenence of the interties. That way the
>workers don't have to chase all over the state all the time.
>

Good idea ... put the burden on the folks who use the stuff.
I'll go along with that ... the core techno-weenies can *train* the
locals, as necessary, to install and maintain their own LANs ... and
devote more of their time to designing new goodies and planning for th
future.  Sounds like the best allocation of resources to me.

>
>The problem is that the network developers get bored when the
>network is completed. They want to go on to other things. So
>a different group has to be recruited and trained whose main
>focus is maintaining and operating the network. This wasn't
>obvious to us in the beginning. It is painfully clear now.
>

This goes hand in hand with what we just said.

Carl - wa6vse
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In <51ktv3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Kantor) writes:
>In article <51hfct$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>protocols and so forth .... the TCP/IP protocols are the defacto
>>standard for interoperability and AX.25, ROSE, NETROM, and any other
>>TNC-based kluges should be abandoned
>
>Uh, waitaminit.  IP has to be carried by SOMETHING from router to router,
>or host to host.  Casting it into the wind in raw form doesn't work real
>well.
>
>You want a reliable link protocol to carry IP; right now AX.25 does this
>as well as anything else we have.  Certainly there are BETTER ways to do
>it and the rules shouldn't specify what, but don't confuse one level of
>the protocol with another!
>

Brian,

As I said in my reply to Gary, I was trying to infer the use of a suite
of internet-compatible protocols ... I realize that TCP and IP need a
layer 1 and a layer 2 ...  I don't particularly like some aspects of
AX.25 and feel that it should not be a government mandated link layer
.. that's more accurately what I meant to say ...

>The advanced ham networking people have been seriously discussing using
>PPP over connected-mode AX.25 as an entry-level protocol stack, and
>there are a number of good reasons for doing so.  For the casual ham
>users, this isn't bad.  At 9600 bps, it'd work acceptably well for
>a lot of occasional dabblers in digital ham radio.
>
>Nothing works well at 1200 bps and slower.  Carrier pigeon would be faster.
>

Agreed ...

>The ham network, if it ever is to exist, will require something better
>than 9600, of course.
>

Agreed again ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:33 1996
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From: Alex VonYonkers <[e-mail]>
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Hello,
I am N2NNU, Alex. I have been involved with high speed lans for
15 years now. I have seen de birth and the demize of at least
a dozen protocols and harware solution. And I have seen the standardisation
of perhaps the worst of them, the Ethernet. It all happen
just because of greed, non compliance and ego !

For us, the amateurs of the world to succede in this endeavor
we need to have the guts to reinvent our self. We need to
tell the legislators tha we need INCENTIVES to build the
next generation of HAMS. We need to grow the previousely
stated %2 of REAL Amateurs to as much possible. But
when they can-t use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
there in no much incentive to build new infrastructures
on top of the aging ALOHA.

We need the equivalent of the IBM to generate and build
universal standars and hardware and we need the equivalent
of Microsoft to help us be better users of the system.

It is a shame that we have left the entire market and hoby
to the whims of the foreign manufacturres. We need to
subsidise and create incentives for our hoby to grow and
thrive.

We need to do it now, before we are losing our precious
resoureces.
Alexander Sandbrand
N2NNU
email - [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:35 1996
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> >Gary-
> >
> >Another mindless comment: ..."I doubt the lawyers could understand the
> >issues [even] if they were explained to them".
> >
> >Some of you so-called "technical" guys are really bigoted and narrow
> >minded. Guess only a select few, you among them, are capable of
> >understanding these "complex" issues, right Gary?
>
> agray ... he's right ... I've worked with those Washington lawyers ...
> even when you look at the ones who "specialize in communications law",
> most of them don't know jack about radio ...  they know some "buzz
> words" and they know the laws and their loopholes and they know the
> "good old boy Washington bureaucrat circuit."
>
> BTW ... how many lawyers does it take to shingle a house???
>
> Depends on how thin you slice them!
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]


And this from a guy who gets all upset when someone posts a statement
criticizing the social skills of engineers?  But it's ok to say to bash
other occupations (I'm sure those Washington lawyers really felt
inferior to you Carl)  This is more of the theme that everyone but you
and members of your "technical elite" is stupid, right Carl?  It seems
to be a consistent theme in your postings...


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Little)
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Subject: Re: ARRL and the little LEO grab
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (James D. Cronin) wrote:

> In article <511a86$[e-mail]>, Ed Hare  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>(As a matter of fact, Carl, I do believe that.  The LEO system is
>>frequency adaptive, checking channels for occupancy, etc., before use.
>>The satellite stations probably would be compatible with most 2-meter
>>phone work.  The real problem comes from the ground stations associated
>
> So what happens when a LEO keys up on a locally coordinated frequency when
> it is momentarily idle?  Like repeater inputs, packet links, etc.  Or
> they key up in the passband of an ATV signal.

You'd probably hear at worst a kerchunk and more likely nothing.  I believe
these LEO's are planning on operation SS.  Their effect would be more of
raising the noise floor.  In the FM portions of the our bands, that's probably
not a big deal, but in the weak signal portions, it's a real problem.

>>>>They're hoping to "get their foot in the door" ... plain and simple ...
>>>>and IF they do, once they launch their systems and "discover that their
>>>>sharing plans don't work after all"  they'll be back at the FCC in a
>>>>heartbeat, complaining about interference and seeking to "move the
>>>hams"..  guaranteed!
>
> Bingo.

Perhaps, although I find trying to address hypothetical ulterior motives
a rather fruitless activity.  The likelihood you are correct is low and mostly
all it does is raise people's blood pressure.  But hey, feel free to have a go
.
If you believe our political clout is enough to fight this without attempting
to cooperate, go for it.

73,
Todd
N9MWB



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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Gary Coffman wrote:
> >
> > In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> > >Gary-
> > >
> > >Another mindless comment: ..."I doubt the lawyers could understand the
> > >issues [even] if they were explained to them".
> > >
> > >Some of you so-called "technical" guys are really bigoted and narrow
> > >minded. Guess only a select few, you among them, are capable of
> > >understanding these "complex" issues, right Gary?
> >
> > Having had more than enough experience with lawyers, I feel confident
> > in saying that most of them don't understand engineering issues in the
> > least.  That's especially true of political lawyers who think that they
> > can modify physical law with retoric or by legislation.
> >
> > It isn't their fault mind you, they haven't been trained in the
> > fundamental nature of physical law, but they have been trained to
> > look for loopholes and weasel words in Man's law. Many can't tell
> > the difference. When told a resistor must obey Ohm's Law, they'll
> > look for loopholes to try to get the resistor off.
> >
> > There are a few, a very few, lawyers who have also trained as engineers,
> > or have backgrounds in one of the physical sciences. They should have a
> > clue, but they are very much the exception and not the rule. In fact
> > one might be forced to say that they must be schizoid to hold two such
> > diametrically opposed world views. Lawyers, especially lawyers in
> > government service, always seem to think that they can cut a deal, or
> > that reality will conform if they pass a law. But Nature doesn't make
> > deals, and Nature only obeys its own laws, and always obeys its own laws,
> > no exceptions, no compromise, no deals.
> >
> > Lawyers usually don't see the humor in aphorisms like, "Gravity, it's
> > not just a good idea, it's the law." They really think it makes sense
> > to set standards such as the one which requires vehicle emissions to
> > be below ambient. Statements like "everyone should have an above average
> > income" don't strike them as absurd.
> >
> > Lawyers are trained to be fine logic choppers and debaters. They are
> > trained to con 12 rustics into believing black is white (or that OJ
> > is looking for the "real" killer). They are not trained to deal with
> > the reality underlying their chains of logic or retorical devices.
> >
> > Lawyers are the ultimate gamers. They can play any game under any
> > set of rules, but they don't seem to grasp that there is one game
> > where the rules can't be broken, or even bent just a little. That's
> > not because it would be "wrong", but because there is no alternative.
> > Disobeying these rules isn't a choice that can be made. Even if one
> > doesn't know the rules, one still has to play by them nonetheless.
> >
> > That's a thought completely alien to the lawyer. It means ultimately
> > that he is irrelevant. Without the possibility for lawbreakers, there
> > is no need for lawyers. That is not a thought an ethical lawyer could
> > embrace without changing careers. Lawyers tend to think that there is
> > always a fair and equitable solution to every problem. But Nature has
> > no concept of fairness or equity. A good engineer has to live with
> > this every day. He knows he can't break the rules, no way, no how.
> > His job is to understand the rules as best he can, and work with them
> > to accomplish his tasks. If he fails, it is not because he broke the
> > rules, because he can't break the rules. He fails because he failed
> > to understand and apply the rules properly.
> >
> > And that's why lawyers have such a hard time grappling with scientific
> > and engineering problems. Their worldview is fundamentally different
> > from that of the engineer. It is not because they are stupid or venial,
> > though there is certainly plenty of that in the legal profession. It
> > is because they don't view the world the same way that an engineer
> > must. Lawyers really believe that they can change the rules, an engineer
> > knows that they can't.
> >
> > Gary
> > --
> > Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider proble
ms
> > Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp add
resses
> > 534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to ke4zv@radio.o
rg
> > Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |
>
> ...most of our so-called reasoning consists of finding arguments for
> going on believing as we already do.
>
> Alan, W3BV


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
Followup-To: rec.radio.amateur.policy
Date: 10 Sep 1996 08:15:44 GMT
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Karl the appliance operator wrote:
>I'm sorry, but as I said, this "I'll build an emergency CW transmitter
>from the wreckage of my plane's radio after I crash on the mountain-top"
>scenario is nothing more than a romantic fantasy ... it's so improbable
>it deserves to be classified as impossible for all purposes and intents.

I have taken components from a junked TV set and built a VFO'd 40M CW
transmitter from them. If a set has discrete parts then those parts can
be easily identified and used to contruct an xmtr.

>It's only possible "value" is as more of the "keep CW" support mythology
>.. it's in the same class of bogus arguments as "CW gets through were
>nothing else will" ...

CW *will* get through over SSB and RTTY on HF. But you don't have such
HF privileges so you're not expected to know that.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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John Nelson  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> >>CW is alive, well, and thriving.  In fact, the demand for QRP CW
>> >>transceivers alone has almost single handedly revived the kit industry.
>> >>Just open your eyes and ears and it'll become apparent.

>Let's look at the big picture (reality). The ONLY place where CW is used at
>all anymore is the ARS. That's it. I don't call that thriving. I call that
>hanging on by its fingernails.

How many HF users outside of amateur radio still exclusively use SSB?
Not many at all. So is SSB "hanging on by its fingernails"?

KH2PZ


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From: [e-mail] (Rich & Katy Mulvey)
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On 14 Sep 1996 14:30:20 GMT, Gerald Schmitt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Thomas G. McWilliams)
>writes:
>>
>>Ed Mitchell ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: 14 year old Subaru Takahashi is making a solo crossing of the
>Pacific Ocean
>>: from Japan to the United States - in a 30 foot yacht. According to
>Masa
>>: Sakamoto, KN6RJ, Subaru, who's call sign is JH0YCG, has not been
>heard since
>>: August 18th.
>>
>>Most probably, Master Subaru sleeps with the fishes.
>>Talking to a dead man on ham radio--now that would be some DX!
>>But what a great QSL card . . .
>>
>
>Boy Tom you are some piece of work; the guys asks for help and this is
>what you come up with. What ever happened to the amateur service
>creedo. You know Sakamoto san's family could just easily read this,
>talk about ugly Americans. You sir are an embarassment to the hobby.
>


   It just goes to show that you can't escape from the morons, anywhere
you go.

   On a more pleasant note, Takahasi arrived in SF bay yesterday afternoon.


--
My mailer has the unfortunate tendency to bounce 10,000 copies of any
junk mail I receive back to the sender.  Be warned.





From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (EMTP4355)
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Subject: Re: BULLETIN: 14 Year Old Sailor Not Heard in 3 Weeks
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ohrstal
Fembrock) writes:

>Well, he sailed into SF Bay Friday in good health and great spirits.
>
>Congrats to him.

Why the lose of communications?  (just interested)  Glade to here he is
alright.

Joseph K. Murphy, EMT-P
KF4KEK
[e-mail]


It's a free country (USA) and I have my own ideas on every thing whether
you agree or not


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick De Gagne)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Code / No-Code, I think you ALL are a bunch of freaking morons.
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 01:58:44 GMT
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On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:26:05 GMT, [e-mail] (Don Brooks)
wrote:

>Get a life.  Who cares.  You like code, you use code.  You don't like
>code, don't use code.

I agree

-snip-snip-
>The reason you beat your wife is the same as why you feel so special to
>be a ham, basically you are a loser and you need to feel important.

-snip-snip--

>Get a dog and beat it.

-snip-snip-

>Get the hell off the Internet, plenty of losers out here already, they
>don't need any help from YOU.

-snip-snip-

>I'll bet those of you who don't beat your wife don't have a wife.
>I'll bet you have always been afraid to talk to girls.  I'll bet you
>still live with your mother.  Probably work at McDonalds part time.

-snip-snip-

>Hams who are security guys are really screwed up.

-snip-snip-

>Tubes suck.  Nobody should be allowed to use a radio that has tubes.
>Come to think of it, lets include crystals.

Frustrated are we?  Someone definetly pissed in your corn flakes this
morning eh?

Geeeez

Pat

--
  \/  Scouter Pat  -  Patrick De Gagne  -    Montreal, Canada
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (cRiTTa66)
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Subject: Re: Code / No-Code, I think you ALL are a bunch of freaking morons.
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boy are YOU going to be flamed..


JackAss


On Sun, 15 Sep 1996 21:26:05 GMT, [e-mail] (Don Brooks)
wrote:

>Get a life.  Who cares.  You like code, you use code.  You don't like
>code, don't use code.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Don Broo
ks) writes...
>Tubes suck.  Nobody should be allowed to use a radio that has tubes.
>Come to think of it, lets include crystals.  Do you use a crystal

Well, so much for all those crystal-controlled synthesized radios...
Air-variable capacitors, the only REAL frequency control method!  8-)

==============================================================================
Tom Randolph  N1OOQ  NE-QRP 419  QRP-L 87  ARRL     [e-mail]
==============================================================================


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:55 1996
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From: Tom <[e-mail]>
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Thanks for reading this note.  I'm posting for a friend who is a ham.


Hi,

I will soon be backpacking for a couple of weeks in the San Juan National
Forest of southwestern Colorado.  I would like to find out if there are
any hams in Pagosa Springs, Bayfield, Southfork, Durango, or any other
areas near the forest, who have internet capability and could relay brief
messages about my location and welfare, received from me via amateur
radio, to my family via e-mail.  I can currently operate on 2 meters and
220 MHz using a 3.5 watt handheld on each band.  I only have one PL board
working currently, however, so I'll have to put it in one radio or the
other, depending on what kind of coverage is available in the area.  The
radios are identical except for frequency.  I will probably start out at
William's Creek Lake and then pack into the Weminuche Wilderness.  Also
plan to do some motorcycle riding/camping in southern Hindsdale, southern
Mineral and western Archuleta counties.  May also do some riding in La
Plata county.  Any advice on popular simplex frequencies in the area and
repeater pairs/coverage on each band (including PL requirements) will be
greatly appreciated.  I can possibly rig a small dipole (or climb a tree
:) if necessary.  Any advice on specific places to ride or pack also
welcome.

If you think you might be able to assist me sometime during the next two
to three weeks (date not certain yet) please e-mail Tom and he will make
further arrangements with you.

Thanks for any assistance.

Mark


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From: "Brian Gilhuly" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Computer Interface for TS-440
Date: 15 Sep 1996 15:13:04 GMT
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Hi Mike,

It's almost as easy as that, but not quite.

First, you need to enable the serial port on the 440, which you do by
installing two ICs in sockets on the digital board (behind the front
panel). There are clear instructions in the 440 manual, but they fail to
tell you that the ICs required are an 8251A and a 4040 (older chips, but
still fairly easy to find).

Then, because the 440's port is at TTL level, you need a TTL-to-RS-232C
level converter. You can buy a Kenwood IF-232C (excellent but expensive) or
build your own of comparable quality following plans in the 1995 and 1996
ARRL Handbook (reprinted from Feb 93 QST). Ramsey and MFJ have in the past
sold (inferior but cheap) converters.

All this info is available on my Kentrol web site, along with some idea of
why it's worth doing.

73 de Brian

--
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http://www.synapse.net/~kentrol/
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Mike Chapman <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> Does anyone have the wiring information to construct a cable to
> connect a personal computer to the ACC-1 jack on the back panel of the
> Kenwood TS-440?  I assume this cable would connect the transceiver to
> an available serial port on the PC.  Any information would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike, KI5MP
>


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From: Garrie Jantzen <[e-mail]>
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As long as CW is *allowed* (!) won't there always be other folks like
yourself -- interested in homebrew CW? I mean, people spend beaucoup
bucks to fly in balloons still! And ticket prices on steam railroads keep
going up. There will always be an England and, whatever the FCC decides,
I think there will always be CW



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:16:59 1996
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[e-mail] wrote:

>In <51cav3$[e-mail]>, Garrie Jantzen <[e-mail].k
12.or.us> writes:
>>As long as CW is *allowed* (!) won't there always be other folks like
>>yourself -- interested in homebrew CW? I mean, people spend beaucoup
>>bucks to fly in balloons still! And ticket prices on steam railroads keep
>>going up. There will always be an England and, whatever the FCC decides,
>>I think there will always be CW
>>

>Garrie,

>Thanks for making that point again ... it's something the pro-CW folks
>choose to ignore.

>I have NEVER, EVER, in over ten years of debating this issue, seen a
>no-code advocate actually advocate the *banning* of CW from the bands.
>Not once.  (of course, now that I've said that, one of the pro-coders
>will probably start up a phony "ban the code" thread in an effort to
>taint the discussion with a bunch of bogus anti-no-code distortions).

>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]
==============================================================
BUT - those sections of the band reserved for non-phone uses shrink as
more and more phone operators crowd the remainder. In the '50's, 75
meters was only 200 kHz, and there was no phone on 40 at all!

I suspect that in 20-30 years, there will be no parts of the band
reserved for non-phone usage. It will all then be by "gentlemens
agreement".

Jerry    W4UKU    [e-mail]





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The largest deficiency in the Hobby today lies in the mindset of those
who enter thinking Amateur Radio is a kind of "Advanced CB" world, and
who bring with them the same whining and culturally bankrupt attitudes
that prevail on 27 mhz.  This thinking is furthered by the present
perception that numbers alone will save us from being made fodder by
the ever increasing demands of a profit driven Communications Industry.

Morse, while certainly an ancient form of communication, is essentially
like any other language.  It is easy to learn and can be picked up by
children in a short time, why not the rest of the population?  It
strikes me that those who spend so much time complaining about the code
would more efficiently use the oxygen and resources they consume on this
earth by learning and teaching the code, therby ensuring it's future use
in our hobby.

A Filter??? Maybe not, but detractors should spend some time on 30
meters listening to the new Hams and how hard they work at becoming
proficient CW operators...it's heartening to hear.

Perhaps it would be better for all of us to heal the wounds that divide
us and present a united front at Warc.  Our enemies are many and their
percieved spectrum needs large.  I believe our entire hobby is at stake.

Doug, K7YD


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:04 1996
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From: "Paul Christenson [N3EOP]" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Re: Do we build?  was(Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:14:55 -0700
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Doug wrote:

> Morse, while certainly an ancient form of communication, is
> essentially like any other language.  It is easy to learn and can be
> picked up by children in a short time, why not the rest of the
> population?

If I'm going to "learn" any other languages, it's going to be something
a heck of a lot more useful; something like Japanese or Spanish.

> It strikes me that those who spend so much time
> complaining about the code would more efficiently use the oxygen and
> resources they consume on this earth by learning and teaching the
> code, therby ensuring it's future use in our hobby.

One question:  Why should we ensure its continued use?  It's slow, and
not terribly efficient as far as wpm per kHz go.  (20 wpm is less than 2
char/sec; 10 bits/sec if you encode it in a 5 bit system like Baudot.
That should need at most 10 Hz of bandwith.  CW needs a few hundred Hz.
I can get ten times that throughput, error free, using 300 baud packet
on HF, with not much more bandwidth.)

I don't know of anyone complaining about the USE of CW on the bands;
they are complaining about the REQUIREMENT of having to become
proficient at a higher-than-minimum speed in a mode they have absolutely
no desire to operate.

I have a degree in Electrical Engineering, specializing in digital
communications and computer science.  While my ham ticket was useful in
pursuing my degree, I had no need for knowing Morse (except for getting
my Tech ticket 10 years ago).  Even now, the only use that I have for
getting a higher class license is to shut up those people whose only
argument is that I'm simply trying to get out of learning the code.

> A Filter??? Maybe not,

Maybe???  Take a listen on 20m.  EVERY (legal) user of that band with a
US callsign passed a minimum of a 13 wpm code test.  It's worse than the
CB bands.

I think that the price of the radios makes a better filter than any kind
of CW exam.

> but detractors should spend some time on 30
> meters listening to the new Hams and how hard they work at becoming
> proficient CW operators...it's heartening to hear.

More power to them.  Nobody is proposing that CW operation be banned, or
even discouraged.

--
         +---------------------------------------------------+         .
         | Technical Support Engineer, Cyclades Corporation  |
         | 800/88-CYCLADES (882-9252) or [phone], x258 |
         | Maker of High Performance Multiport Serial Cards  |
         +---------------------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:06 1996
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Date: 15 Sep 1996 18:09:43 GMT
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In <51erf1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
> (Carl wrote:)
>>Technology per se HAS changed ... unfortunately, for the most part, ham
>>radio technology HAS NOT.  We're still using (and insisting on, and
>>being driven by outdated regulations to use) outdated technologies.
>
>Poor us. We're not a consumer, mass-market-driven radio service. I'm
>sure Carl's employers are really disappointed they can't sell some hams
>on the latest wizz-bang radio setup.
>

Carl's employer wouldn't even take a first look at the ham market, let
alone a second look ...  if they're not *sure* they can sell *millions*
of a product, they have zero interest in desigining/making it.
Making products for the ham market is a "cottage industry" at best.

>
>>"Spreading out the congestion on the air" is NOT a legitimate reason for
>>balkanizing the ham community ... if there's congestion, we need to
>>exploit modern, technical solutions to increase our efficiency of
>>spectral use to eliminate/control it ... not politically hamstring our
>>ability to improve, explore, and experiment with new techniques.
>
>Translated: buy our latest wizzz-bang techno-gadget.
>

CORRECT TRANSLATION: Adapt with the times or become extinct.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:07 1996
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From: n2cjj@undefined
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Subject: FS:12V Pwr Plug;Icom,Ken, Yae,Alinco
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I have found a source for those DC power cord plugs.  The ones I've got
have 6 pins, male plastic with metal female inserts.

These plugs fit most 12VDC HF radios:
Icom 735 and alike, newer Yaesu and Alinco DX70.
Kenwood TS-120, 130, 140..430, 440, 450..850..TS50, 60, 660, 670..and alike.

Make your own power cord yourself, YOUR WAY!
Crimp or soldered, long or short, heavy gauge, purple with polka dots...

I'm offering the 6 position plug with 6 inserts for $4 each,
or a deal 3 for $10.  All prices include postage in the US.

To order, kindly send a check to:

R. Langston
286 Hudson Street
Cornwall-on-Hudson, N.Y.  12520

You can also email me for info at:  [e-mail]

It's a great deal if you use one rig at home, in the car and at work and
are stuck dragging one power cord all over...

I still can't believe AES and others get $30 for a power cord.


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The following message was relayed from a PBBS.
The ham said something that GOD (a PBBS SYSOP) might not like,
look how fast he ate his words"

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 96 09:41:00 UTC
From: N8VZL@WA8OMR.#NWV.WV.USA.NOAM
To: SYSOP@USBBS
Subject: No harm meant to sysops
Path: K1UGM!WG1I!KA0WIN!KE0WO!VE4KV!KA6EYH!WB8BII!WA8WNI ...

In my recent reply to K1OIK's blasting to AA0NN's deleting his messages,
no ill was intended to "ALL" sysops in general as one such sysop took
it.  I did not mean for the reply to GOD@ALLUS and sysop's control to
demean sysops at all.  quite the contrary, I simply meant that any sysop
has control of his property.  The key word is property, and some users
do not like the fact to hear "It's my football es we'll play by my rules
or..." You am not a packet bbs sysop.

I am a LLBBS sysop and the rules are different. You play by my rules on
my bbs not necessarily the FCC's rules, but still some FCC rules do
apply.  I still do not allow foul language on my LLBBS, although many
invite it.  You get locked out of my bbs for such actions and no
warnings, but it is hard to lock out hams on the packet network hams are
not being locked out if their messages are deleted for foul content.
Locked out means the inability to get "IN" in the first place.  I in
fact applaud sysops in the amateur packet network.

So if I indeed did insult someone while comparing two individuals for their
appraisals of one another, I am sorry you misinterpreted my quote,
it was not my intention to insult sysops.

                           - - ...  ... - -
************************************************************************
*      de Raynard Merritt * Shadyside,Ohio Belmont County U.S.A.       *
************************************************************************
*         [e-mail] * n8vzl@.#wa8omr.nwv.wv.usa.noam          *
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:09 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Ham Radio as an *ENJOYABLE*  Hobby
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In article [e-mail] says...
>[e-mail] wrote:
>> The primary goal of the group will be to
fill an existing void by
>> providing an enjoyable forum for the
discussion of technical, operating
>> and social topics of interest to radio
amateurs.
>
Yes, This is a more positive role for HF
people. The HF bands will soon be recovering
from the Southern winter so those signals
from the antipodies will be coming through.
Take a look for the home-stations, mobiles.
During the third weekend of October is JOTA,
where amateur radio combines with the
scouting troops and camps, so another
opportunity for some pleasant operations,
with the Worlds Youth - in scouting.
On one occassion I QSO'ed to Tatum Park,
near Mancester, UK. during the period. 73
Winton at ZL3AO.



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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
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Subject: Ham Web Page
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 16:25:59 GMT
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Hello, Folks:

I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
look. Included at the site are the following areas:

Ham Radio -- Mostly packet, mostly high speed

Pipe Smokers -- Very, very much still under construction

Astronomy -- Mostly Amateur Radio Astronomy (good 2nd interest for
Hams!)

Mapping -- Mostly about elevation maps

Heartland Internet Services -- Lots of Web Presence information

The URL to use is:

http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty

Thanks!

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

*******************************************
Virtual Servers and More!
http://www.trucom.com/ppages/marty
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:11 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
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Marty Albert wrote:
>
> Hello, Folks:
>
> I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
> look.

Howdy Folks,

Your welcome at mine also.

73,
Jim
--
CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:14 1996
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From: James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]>
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Howdy,

 and a fine start you have. You need lots more antennas on that
car?

73,
Jim

Will, KN6DV wrote:
>
> Will, KN6DV <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <01bba3de$7fac8320$[e-mail]>...
> > Well OK while you are at it you might as well take a look at mine also.
> >
> >       http://www.av.qnet.com/~kn6dv
> > 73 Will
> >
> >
> > James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> > <[e-mail]>...
> > > Marty Albert wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello, Folks:
> > > >
> > > > I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
> > > > look.
> > >
> > > Howdy Folks,
> > >
> > > Your welcome at mine also.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Jim
> > > --
> > > CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
> > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S
> > >
> >

--
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S


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From: "Will, KN6DV" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Ham Web Page
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:59:06 GMT
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Well OK while you are at it you might as well take a look at mine also.

        http//:www.av.qnet.com/~kn6dv
73 Will


James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> Marty Albert wrote:
> >
> > Hello, Folks:
> >
> > I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
> > look.
>
> Howdy Folks,
>
> Your welcome at mine also.
>
> 73,
> Jim
> --
> CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S
>


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Will, KN6DV <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bba3de$7fac8320$[e-mail]>...
> Well OK while you are at it you might as well take a look at mine also.
>
>       http://www.av.qnet.com/~kn6dv
> 73 Will
>
>
> James Lee Tabor <[e-mail]> wrote in article
> <[e-mail]>...
> > Marty Albert wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello, Folks:
> > >
> > > I have just put up my new home page and invite all to drop in for a
> > > look.
> >
> > Howdy Folks,
> >
> > Your welcome at mine also.
> >
> > 73,
> > Jim
> > --
> > CAPMan HF Propagation Prediction & System Analysis Software
> > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/KU5S
> >
>


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:19 1996
From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Subject: Re: Hand Delivery of FCC 610-V Vanity Call applications.....
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In article <51bgkm$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Michael Crestohl" writes:

> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Anthony R. Gold <[e-mail]> wrote:

> >Did anyone get any reply to email sent re this offer?

> Yes, I replied ....

Yup, got it.  Thanks.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:20 1996
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From: "Richard B. Joerger" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Heath HW8 mods
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 12:56:10 -0400
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Greetings All.

At this weeks Melbourne Hamfest (Fl) I picked up a Heath HW8 QRP rig.
Great condition and it works, but --- it seems a bit deaf.

I recall seeing a compendium of mods for this radio but can't find it.
Can anyone point me in the right direction?

TIA

Rich Joerger
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:21 1996
From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Subject: Re: How to test COAX?
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In article <51eerf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] "tyler" writes:

> Is it safe to test a piece of coax by putting a dummy load on the end and a
tx
> and swr meter on the other and checking the swr or is this a bad idea for my

> HTX-202?  Of course this will only check the swr at 2 meters, but if there i
s
> anything seriously wrong with the coax, it will show up right?  any help wou
ld
> be greatly appreciated.

Yes, it's safe, but unfortunately it's not really very useful.

When testing suspect coax it is relatively rare that one is trying to
measure either the characteritic impedance or to detect for impedance
discontinuities.  If the coax is marked with a known brand and type
and the line is visibly undamaged (no sign of being squashed or
kinked), then the usual test is only for attenuation and then the
test that you described is not at all helpful. Indeed the higher the
attenuation (hence the worse the line) then the better the input SWR
will be, regardless of any impedance mismatches that are present.

To measure the attenuation of a line you might measure the return
loss when the distant end of the cable is open circuit and/or
shorted. Or else measure the power into into the terminated line and
then again out of the line and into the terminating dummy load.

Regards,
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: IC-2710 Mods?
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 10:26:59 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dean McDermott) wrote:

>Does anyone have mods for the Icom IC-2710? Or can you point me to a site
>that may have a file with them?

>Thanks in advance,
>Dean
>WB2CMN


Try Icom America, in Bellvue, Washington. They have an excellent tech support
service available via the phone.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Hank Riley)
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Subject: Indiana Repeater/ATV/Packet APRS Balloon Launch II.
Date: 17 Sep 1996 21:38:25 GMT
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This is a repeat performance of the very successful launch which
took place Sept. 7 near Kokomo, IN.


         CENTRAL INDIANA REPEATER/ATV/GPS PACKET BALLOON LAUNCH


     Region:            Central Indiana

     Date/Time:         Saturday, September 21 / 7:00-8:00 AM
                        Eastern Standard Time (Indiana local time),
                        8:00-9:00 AM EDT, 12:00-13:00 UTC

     Location:          New Augusta, Indiana (Indianapolis suburb
                        about 7 miles northwest of downtown)

     Other states the
     signals will
     easily reach:      Ohio, Illinois, Michigan, Kentucky

     Site Coordinates:  approximate for initial antenna heading;
                        (not for navigating to launch site)
                        39' 53" North Lat.
                        86' 14" West Long.

     ATV:               439.25 MHz AM NTSC from live camera;
                        VERTICAL polarization.

     VHF/UHF Repeater:  Input - 144.30 MHz FM
                        Dual Output - 444.85 MHz FM
                                    - 52.525 MHz FM

     Telemetry:         446.00 MHz FM AX.25 1200 baud packet
                        GPS/APRS position data

     HF Net:            3.869 - 3.871 Mhz SSB

     Local repeater
     talk-in:           not yet determined

     Other notes:       all antennas vertically polarized

-----------------------------------------------------------
launch data courtesy of Malcolm Mallette, WA9BVS
[e-mail]


Please email me news of upcoming balloon launches and post-flight
reports for distribution on the Net.

Hank Riley, N1LTV                             latest version of DfCalc
[e-mail]                            for direction finding
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/3161   <--- here; Windows version
                                              coming soon.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Kelley)
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"Tom T." <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Jim Weir wrote:

>> Well, yes, but...(1) He spammed every newsgroup remotely interested, not
>>  (2) To be told that he doesn't
>> have the time to come back to all the groups he spammed and he wants

>Ah, I wasn't aware that such was the case. I tend to agree in that case!

>               -Tom

Actually, Tom, Jim exaggerated a little.  The original post went to
*three* newsgroups:

rec.radio.amateur.misc
rec.aviation.military
rec.aviation.misc

Given the topic of the question, a not unreasonable selection of group
titles, and hardly considered *spamming* by most people on the net.

Ron Kelley
NIBT




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From: Andre <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Internet via Ham Radio?
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 19:10:39 -0700
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I read somewhere that the Ham community was considering putting the
Internet on Ham Radio (probably using a system like AMTOR). Is there
any news on this? I imagine it could be done although there would be
many problems to face. I've been HAM for 45 years and I know that there
is no problem too tough for HAMS to solve.
73,
Andre, W2WHE


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:28 1996
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Marvin L. Jones wrote:

> Well, just because a thing is do-able, does
> not mean it should be done.    <g>
>

Why not? There should be an alternate means to keep the internet going
without phone lines. The Internet is the only public place where there
is no censorship and the world needs such a place. Maybe HAM radio is
not the place for it but surely the HAM community can devise a system
for it. The cable companies are already talking about putting it on
cable but I would like to see a non-commercial place for it. The cellular
phone industry with their network of repeaters is also talking about
making it available so why not HAM radio?


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SUBJ: IPS DAILY SOLAR AND GEOPHYSICAL REPORT
ISSUED AT 13/2330Z SEPTEMBER 1996 BY IPS RADIO AND SPACE SERVICES
FROM THE AUSTRALIAN SPACE FORECAST CENTRE
SUMMARY FOR 13 SEPTEMBER AND FORECAST FOR 14 SEPTEMBER - 16 SEPTEMBER
-----------------------------------------------------------
1A. SOLAR SUMMARY
Activity: Very low

Flares: none.

Observed 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number :  67/0

GOES satellite data for 12 Sep
       Daily Proton Fluence >1 MeV:   4.1E+06
       Daily Proton Fluence >10 MeV:  1.6E+04
       Daily Electron Fluence >2 MeV: 3.8E+08 (moderate)
       X-ray background: A1.0
Fluence (flux accumulation over 24hrs)/ cm2-ster-day.

1B. SOLAR FORECAST
             14 Sep             15 Sep             16 Sep
Activity     Very low           Very low           Very low
Fadeouts     None expected      None expected      None expected

Forecast 10.7 cm flux/Equivalent Sunspot Number for 14 Sep:  68/2

-----------------------------------------------------------
2A. MAGNETIC SUMMARY
Geomagnetic field at Learmonth: Quiet to unsettled

Estimated Indices : A   K           Observed A Index 12 Sep
    Learmonth       11  3223 2233
    Fredericksburg  14                          25
    Planetary       13                          21

Observed Kp for 12 Sep: 4443 3323

2B. MAGNETIC FORECAST
Date      Ap    Conditions
14 Sep     8    Quiet to unsettled
15 Sep     5    Quiet
16 Sep     5    Quiet

-----------------------------------------------------------
3A. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION SUMMARY
                    Latitude Band
Date        Low            Middle         High
13 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal
PCA Event : None

3B. GLOBAL HF PROPAGATION FORECAST
                    Latitude Band
Date        Low            Middle         High
14 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal
15 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal
16 Sep      Normal         Normal         Normal

-----------------------------------------------------------
4A. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC SUMMARY
Date   T index
13 Sep     2

Observed Australian Regional MUFs:
Darwin: 15-30% depressed for the period 0700-1400UT,
otherwise near predicted monthly values.
Townsville: Near predicted monthly values.
Sydney: Near predicted monthly values.
Hobart: Near predicted monthly values.

Predicted Monthly T index for September:   9

4B. AUSTRALIAN REGION IONOSPHERIC FORECAST
Date   T index  MUFs
14 Sep     5    near predicted monthly values
15 Sep     7    near predicted monthly values
16 Sep     7    near predicted monthly values
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Fabio Mantovani, IZ4AFW)
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Subject: JRC JST-245 Transceiver
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:02:26 GMT
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Hi!
I am searching for mods and/or "hidden" features of my JST-245, made
by JRC. I looked for mods on ftp.cdrom.com (mirror of oakland), but I
found nothing.

Anyone can help me with pointers or files?
Thanks,

73 73
 de IZ4AFW, Fabio
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:33 1996
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Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> that means (Carl's) an "old Tech", IE he took a code test
>and the full General written to get his license.

For the folks who don't know about the old tech license, Carl passed
a 5wpm test, or 25 characters per minute - that's one character every
2.4 seconds. Painfully slow.

>... since Carl
>has been licensed 25 years, we're qualified.

1996 - 1975 = 21, not 25, Gary. Push the wrong button on your calculator?

Carl's only motive in wanting the code test dropped is to fill his and
his company's bank accounts - the company he works for apparently has
some HF gear on the design board, and he'll $urely profit from the
creation of a code-free HF license.

Did you buy $tock in his company, Gary?

Jeff KH2PZ (ex WA6QIJ from '76)


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:36 1996
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From: "Paul Christenson [N3EOP]" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.homebrew,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Key Input Specs?
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:20:43 -0700
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Rick Miller wrote:

> Can someone tell me what open-circuit voltage and closed-circuit
> current the device attatched to the "key" input of a rig is supposed
> to be able to handle?  If 5 Volts and 25 mA is sufficient, I'll be a
> happy camper!

That depends on the rig.  There are no standards; not even polarity.
I've had tube rigs that had nearly a hundred volts across the key
contacts.  An HT may have only one or two volts at a couple mA.

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:40 1996
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From: "Jim Reid" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Learning/Improving CW Skills
Date: 13 Sep 1996 05:31:43 GMT
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Aloha from Kauai,

A few days ago,  someone posted a question about learning CW.
IMO,  the best CW learning tapes are those by Gordon West;
ads in the ham mags nearly monthly and also available from the
W5YI Group which also runs ads,  look in CQ magazine.  You will
need a stereo cassette player with which you can control the
volume of each channel independantly,  as Gordon does coaching/
commenting, etc on one channel while the CW is on the other.

For improving an already semi-learned CW skill,  check out my
bit in the present issue of CQ Magazine,  pg 92. it is within the
Contest Calendar department by John Dorr, K1AR.  In it you
will find several ideas for improving your CW skills.

I hope you learn quickly and come to enjoy the fun of the mode as much
as  thousands of the rest of us do about the world.  Try listening on 20
meters and compare the number  of readable QSO's going on in both
the SSB and CW band areas:  above 14150 in the US for SSB,  and
between 14000 and 14060 or so for CW.  You will be surprised at the
very great number of useable CW signals,  especially on weekends
as compared to those really readable in the SSB area.  The same
thing is going on,  at appropriate prop condition times of the day,
all over the world on all NINE (9)  HF amateur bands!  There are
hundreds of CW QSO's in progress all the time,  and guys and gals
worldwide are enjoying the mode because it is FUN!

By the way,  contrary to what you read on many of the amateur radio
newsgroups,  CW is alive and well in both the commercial and military
communication systems of the world!  For example:

        In the Mediterranian Sea,  weather info is provided to commercail
ships ONLY by CW by ROMA Radio,  IAR,  from a coastal station on
Italy.

        In the Indian Ocean,  weather information is provided to commercial
shipping ONLY by CW from India on both MF and HF frequencies.

        The Brit AirForce,  the RAF,  is still teaching and using CW.
The 13 week course,  given at No. 1 Radio School at RAF Locking,
requires 18  wpm skill demonstration to pass.  CW is used,  world wide
by the RAF in many ground to ground and ground to air circuits,
Falklands,  etc.

This past June 28th,  the Russian Cruies Liner,  Alla Tarasovia,  at dawn
that day,  with its vaunted GMDSS (Global Marine Distress Satellite
System) apparantly inoperative,  had to send out a CW SOS with
position,  heading,  situation,  etc.  The CW signal was intercepted
by Stonehaven Radio and alerted the Aberdeen Coast Guard. 71
passengers and 68 crew on board were saved from harm as a result
of an alert and competent CW operator.  The liner,  chartered by
Toronto based Marine Expeditions, had lost engine, power and was
drifting out of control  Thank God the RO was still CW competent
and so was the watch RO at Stonehaven.

In follow up,  BBC TV reported this past July 16th,  that the worldwide
GMDSS is "in a state of near collapse."  The report claimed that about
95 percent of marine distress calls being rcv'd by Coast Guards are
false alarms!   Falmouth Coast Guard alone recv'd 959 false calls in
the previous 12 months.  This is being caused by incomplete training
of shipboard operators,  and a woeful inadequate training to service
technicians who are to service and certify the equipment.  The training
has fallen behind the need,  and has proven much more difficult than
had been anticipated.  Also,  the supply of equipment from manufacturers
is way behind schedule.  Further,  the training and supply of Inspectors
to monitor the system and to enforce standards is proving almost
impossible.

International shipping may just reconsider the situation and decide they
had better maintain,  on the watch 24 hours,  CW competent radio
operators on board,  and similarly at Coast Guard stations worldwide.

Anyhow,  jump on in,  and learn and enjoy CW.  Who knows,  you might
also,  one day find yourself in a situation where CW just might be the
only mode of communictions.  By the way have you heard of Morse 2000?
This is a program which is teach the Morse code to handicapped individuals
who can communicate in no other way.  It is a growing program,  and is
being accepted enthusiastically about the world as a whole NEW way for
the handicapped to communicate.  Small world,  isn't it?

Have fun learning and using CW!  You will find none of the nonsense that
goes on in the SSB segments on CW:  fights over a frequency, discussions
of medical problems, symptoms and visits to the MD,  DX net operators
berating the huddled masses awaiting the precious turn to work the DX,
etc.  On the CW mode you will meet a lot of people just having fun!

73,   Jim,  AH6NB




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From: [e-mail] (Vince Roberts)
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Subject: Re: Learning/Improving CW Skills
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 06:54:36 GMT
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Don't waste your time and money on the Gordon West tapes. Get Code
Quick for a little more than 20 bucks more.  It works, or he'll give
you your money back. Won't get that from Radio Shack

T   E   I   X   E  I   R   A <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have also seen the "Gordon West" CW tapes at Radio Shack.

>Don
>AC6TG



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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Re: Learning/Improving CW Skills
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In article <51ejkl$[e-mail]>, T   E   I   X   E  I   R   A
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I have also seen the "Gordon West" CW tapes at Radio Shack.
>
> Don
> AC6TG

Check out the new Ham Radio.FAQ on my home page. Many ideas of
best way to learn the code. Consider that there are some ways for
some people to learn it that DON'T WORK and others that DO. Therefore,
one has to LOOK and TRY the various methods or they make the
task hard and not fun. Why use a heavy shovel as a fly swatter? We
learn different things BEST in different ways.

73,

            John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
        144 Pepperidge Dr |_|   |_| page [e-mail]
Manchester, NH 03103-6150 |_|_ _|_| [e-mail]
  voice mail 603.533.3472 | | | | | fax [phone]

                    www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v
            Digital Scope.FAQ + Application Notes


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson)
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Subject: Re: Learning/Improving CW Skills
Date: 15 Sep 1996 08:26:10 GMT
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Vince Roberts ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Don't waste your time and money on the Gordon West tapes. Get Code
: Quick for a little more than 20 bucks more.  It works, or he'll give
: you your money back. Won't get that from Radio Shack

Is Code Quick that "sight/sound" system?  If so, it is to be avoided
if a person plans on getting over about 9/10 wpm without a great
struggle.

Bill



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson)
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Subject: Re: Learning/Improving CW Skills
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Vince Roberts ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson) wrote:

: >Vince Roberts ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >: Don't waste your time and money on the Gordon West tapes. Get Code
: >: Quick for a little more than 20 bucks more.  It works, or he'll give
: >: you your money back. Won't get that from Radio Shack

: >Is Code Quick that "sight/sound" system?  If so, it is to be avoided
: >if a person plans on getting over about 9/10 wpm without a great
: >struggle.

: That's just plain ridiculous. I don't know what you mean by
: "sight/sound" system. Code Quick  uses mnemonic devices.

: I made the assumption that the person was trying to LEARN the code,
: not increase speed, The Radio Shack tapes are useless for both. One
: can learn the code in days with Code Quick. Increasing speed is
: another issue entirely, but you have to know it to improve it.

Mnemonic devices, as well as all other such "crutches", cripple a
person when they want to increase their speed. In my opinion, it
is a disservice to the student to do so.

The Radio Shack tapes work for both learning the code and increasing
speed. You just do not learn the code as quick as  you would with the
various "mnemonic" or "sight/sound" or "visualization" systems.

Now, if the intent is to just learn the code, then Code Quick would be
fine.  For someone who wants to become proficient with code, it is an
impediment.

It all depends on the person's ultimate goal.

Bill


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:52 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Little LEO again (was Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!)
Date: 14 Sep 1996 15:31:49 GMT
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In <51aqvc$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dana Myers) writes:
>
>I don't see this as just a disagreement - I see this as an abuse
>of e-mail by the ARRL, something I hope they're not encouraged to
>continue in the future.
>

Dana,

I have to disagree with you on this one ...

In Washington, "the squeaky wheel gets greased" ...  if we don't voice
our opposition, we'll lose.  We HAD to file comments with the committee.
I see no difference in sending 1000 protest letters/comments via e-mail
vs via snail mail.

The committee members have an obligation to consider ALL the viewpoints
presented by the public on issues such as this.  Whether they come in
via e-mail or snail mail is irrelevant.

I see NO "foul" in sending the coments via e-mail.

It's not a question of "net manners" ... it's a question of
participation in the regulatory process.  Even "netizens" have the right
to participate and be heard.

The committee should receive, handle, and consider ALL comments, both
written and electronic, and I see no legitimate basis for complaining
that electronically-filed comments are somehow inappropriate or "a
burden" ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]






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Subject: Re: Little LEO again (was Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!)
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In <51etps$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Todd Little) wri
tes:
>
>Most politicians can recognize a form letter when they see one.  They
>realize that it rarely means a strong opinion as someone is simply
>following the directions of others instead of taking their own
>initiative.  What the ARRL did smacks of a form letter.  How different
>do you think the respondants were?

I think that they voiced similar opinions, but that they were
individually crafted and "signed" ... they were not "form letters."

>Plus the committee members
>certainly knew that the ARRL had advocated writing.

SO?  What's your point here?  You think the NRA and the AARP don't
"encourage their members to write" on important issues????

That's EXACTLY why they're so successful in getting their way ... they
mobilize their membership andget them to write, call, send e-mail, send
telegrams, call their congressman, etc.  If we could do as well, we'd be
a lot safer ...

>I believe
>the ARRL screwed up on this one and hope it doesn't hurt us in
>the decision making process.
>

I think the response was appropriate, not a "screwup"  I was, however,
surprised that such a response was roused ... I didn't think it was
possible to get that much action out of a group of hams ...


Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]





From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Todd Little)
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Subject: Re: Little LEO again (was Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!)
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In article <51juqa$[e-mail]>
Ed Hare <[e-mail]> wrote:

> All in all, I must admit that there may have been (or may be) some risk
> to our strong response.  I believe, however that a lack of response, or
> an ineffective one, carried a *certainty* of damage to the Amateur Radio
> Service.  For two important bands such as 2 meters and 70 cm, on which
> side of the equation should we have erred?

I believe you address the issue with those in elected positions.  The
working group I think is composed of appointees and volunteers, not elected
officials (although anyone that knows othewise is welcome to correct
me on this.)  I don't  believe the response was appropriate given the
target.  This committee should be (and perhaps was) given ample
technical arguments for not selecting the two most popular amateur
bands.  The writing campaign should have been directed at congress
and included some substantial meat in it as opposed to I suspect
what the working group received.  I can imagine some of the
messages given what's been posted here in the past on other issues.

> 37 from ARRL HQ,

37?  OK, I give up.  I've heard of 73 and 88, but 37?    ;-)

37 to you too!
Todd
N9MWB



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
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Subject: Re: Mail vs hand deliv, vanity app?
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I concur - best way is by express mail or courier - hand delivery does NOT
give anyone any advantage.  I had seriously considered hand delivery but
research has indicated that this is not a viable option.

Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:17:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Romesh C.D. Singh)
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Subject: Marconi Receiver for sale
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FOR SALE

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_________________________________
Technical data
--------------------
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Frequency Range -1.5 to 30 MHz full performance,15 KHz to 1.5MHz reduced
performance

Tuning Increment -1 Hz  by spin tune control or wheel switches

Frequency Display _Digital Display in 1 Hz increments

Tuning accuracy -+-0.5 Hz relative to tuned frequency

Tuing time -within 5Hz of setup frequency in 0.2 sec

Frequency stability -1 part in 10E8 per day ,less than 1 part in 10E7 over
temperature range -10 C to +55 C.Long term typically 1.5 parts in 10E7 per
month.

 Antenna Input -Wideband input Impedance 50 ohms

Front end protection -the receiver will withstand continuous signal of 30 V
emf (50 ohms )

Antenna Radiation -with antenna terminated in 50 ohms radiation is less that
10 microvolts

Noise Factor-1.5-30 MHz better than 11 dB

Image rejection-80 dB

LF Rejection 80 dB

IF Selectivity-ssb/isb (3Khz filter)300-3000 Khz -4db points
                     -ssb/isb (6 Khz filter)300-6000Khz -4db point
                    -cw/mcw/fsk passbands selected from the following
300,500,1200 Hz

Headphones -600 ohms for 10 mW output

Metering- af level,agc level and fsk tune

Power Supply 100-250 Vac 45-65 Hz

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Operating temp--10 to +55C

Storage temp-  -40 to +70C

Humidity -95% at 40C

Altitude -up to 4000 ft

Offers by e-mail [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis)
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Subject: Mid Atlantic VHF conference/Packrats Hamfest
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                      *** Mid Atlantic VHF Conference ***

The 20th Annual Mid-Atlantic States VHF Conference sponsored by the Mt. Airy
VHF Radio Club will be held on Saturday, 5 October at the Days Inn in Horsham
PA. Technical presentations relating to VHF/UHF/SHF weak signal operating
will begin at 9AM.

The Days Inn is located just north of exit 27 (Willow Grove exit) of the PA
Turnpike, just north of Philadelphia, in Horsham, PA. Rooms at the Days Inn
can be reserved by calling 215-674-2500. Mention Pack Rats for a discount.
The Days Inn is filling up quickly, so reserve soon. Additional lodging is
available in the Horsham area.


                               *** HAMARAMA ***

On the following day, Sunday 6 Oct. the Packrats will have their annual hamfes
t
at the Bucks County Drive In Theater, about 5 miles north of PA Tpk. exit 27
on Rte. 611. Talk-in on 146.52 simplex and the W3CCX repeater on 224.58.

Ron, WZ1V has placed the flyer for the events, including a preliminary list of
presentations, on the N.E.W.S. Group web page:
            http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~newsvhf/hamarama.html

For  more information on the technical conference or a possible presentation
slot,  contact John Sortor, KB3XG, at 610-584-2489 or at [e-mail].

Joe - AA3GN
--
[e-mail] - speaking


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:03 1996
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From: Geoff Brown <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:26:48 -0700
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We have added yet more links/information to our www site which is
currently hitting 1000 hits per day!
Try:
http://user.itl.net/~equinox

There is a list of EVERYTHING re radio on the Internet.
Enjoy!


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael J. Falk)
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Subject: MRAC-VEC home page now open
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Hello to all fellow amateurs and prospective amateurs...
If you're interested in upgrading your license or getting your first license,
and you live in Southeast Wisconsin, please stop by http://ods.ods.net/ketchup
/mrac.htm.  There is info on where and when test sessions are given by the
Milwaukee Radio Amateur Club's VEC.

73 to all.
Michael J. Falk/AA9RK


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Randolph)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: New Technology (was: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary
 Coffman) writes...
>I think most of the advances by amateurs in recent years have not
>been in the realm of hardware, however. I believe most of the novel
>developments have been in terms of protocols, software, and firmware
>used to drive fairly conventional hardware. Striking examples of

Gary, you should check out a few articles:

"G3SBI's H-Mode Receiver Design", Tech Notes column, Communications Quarterly,
Fall 1994

"A High Dynamic Range MF/HF Receiver Front End", J. Makhinson, QST, Feb. 1993

"A Termination Insensitive Amplifier", J. Makhinson, QEX, Jul. 1995

...and many others of this ilk. Some of these circuits were discovered for the
first time by amateurs. There's plenty of hardware innovation going on in
amateur circles if you look for it, contrary to what Burt and others would hav
e
us believe.

==============================================================================
Tom Randolph  N1OOQ  NE-QRP 419  QRP-L 87  ARRL     [e-mail]
==============================================================================


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: New Technology (was: Re: ARRL SURVEY IGNORES 7 OF 8 WRC-99 ISSUES!)
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In article <51hilf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffm
an) writes:
>>
>>I don't recall the first article you mention, but I do the latter two.
>>They appear to be good solid work, but I don't think they are novel
>>in the sense of Sam Harris' parametric amplifier. That was a radical
>>departure from the conventional wisdom. What we see in the articles
>>you mention is just good solid application of well understood circuit
>>techniques. Nothing wrong with that of course. It is very good work.
>>But it isn't a major breakthru.
>
>I was thinking the same thing ... good work, but really nothing new ...
>It occurs to me that a fundamental problem is that many, many hams are
>so stuck in the past that anything that wasn't known by everyone in the
>1950s is "exotic", "new", and "radical" ...  this is a MAJOR problem.

Most of the techniques we call modern were known 50 years ago.
Even SS. Heddy Lamar invented the first practical DS and FH
systems during WWII. Roosevelt and Churchill used them for their
HF "hot line". Of course today we can do it easier and cheaper
using a couple of chips, but the principle is the same. People
doing it today aren't innovating, they're following.

Since Bell Labs invented the transistor, and TI gave us the
IC, and Intel made it do math, there hasn't been a *radical* new
device for us to use. And since Sam's amp, there has hardly been
a radical new circuit idea from hams or professionals for which
we can't find prior art. (The patent office often can't seem to
recognize prior art, but what did I say about lawyers?)

>>I agree that amateurs continue to advance the art on all fronts.
>
>Damned few do ...

And damned few ever did. That's been true all the way back to the
*second* crystal set. If you think otherwise, you're just fooling
yourself. Most *people* (not just hams) are born followers. Very
few ever lead the advance. This is even stronger than the 90/10
rule, it's more like the 9,999/1 rule. And it is nearly impossible
to determine a priori which will be which. (Who could have imagined,
for example, that a movie actress would develop spread spectrum, or
naval torpedo guidance systems? She had passed no formal tests,
had no specialized degree, but she had the spark of innovation
that is so very rare.) That's why large numbers are important,
so that at least a few of them may be those rare people who lead
the advance.

Almost all of them will just be users. That's an inevitable consequence
of the distribution. But even users serve a purpose. If nothing else,
they are test loads on the systems. Dr. Rohde says it is due to the
crowding on amateur HF spectrum that modern receivers are as good as
they are. He says no other group of users could duplicate the pressures
of the wartime RF environment better than amateur HFers. Thus they
served as test loads for the new designs.

We've pushed that particular horse about as far as it will go. We
have analog receivers that have sensitivity below the ambient noise
floor, that have the ability to operate in the proximity of strong
signals, and which have the stability and resetability required
for more advanced modulations and protocols. That puts us in the
digital domain, and it is software which will determine the fittest
there.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:08 1996
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Check out my homepage which is dedicated to engineering, homebrew and QRP
http://www.aade.com

Neil


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:10 1996
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From: Thomas Foster <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: PRO - CW !!
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Rick Perry wrote:
>
> I've been reading quite a few messages about doing away with CW or at
> least not requiring it on various levels of exams.  I completely
> disagree.
>
>   CW is an art form.  We live in an instant gradification society, "I
> want it now !!". We've been pretty much conditioned in this mode of
> operation. Why does it have to include ham radio?  What about tradition?
> Ham radio has a great tradition and CW is part of it.  Things like
> making your first QSO as a new novice (I still remember mine),
> developing your skills as an operator on CW and phone, moving up to the
> next license--these are things you can be proud of.  Which mode gets
> through better is not the point. Sure I 've been on for almost 40 years
> now and I'm an old -- whatever, but I am still proud of my abilities on
> CW and phone.  You are advocating the loss of opportunity.  No one "even
> in the dark ages" wanted to spend time on CW at the start. All I wanted
> to do was talk on phone.  That was in the beginning, but as time passed
> and my skills increased I had gained something.
>
>   I agree that change is usually indicated from time to time. Well, we
> got it in handfulls, no-code licensing, VE testing, expanded bands. Then
> because someone decides that CW is in their way of more frequencies, the
> answer is do away with it, rather than taking on the challenge. Should
> reward be instantly granted on request?  Ham radio to many may be like
> their computer, if its running too slow go buy an upgrade.  To others,
> like me, ham radio means a great deal more. You are really the loser.
> Talk to some of the old timers.  Develop some real pride in your hobby
> and you will try and protect it.
>
>   Because I am an Extra does that make me elite?  Well, it took me 20
> years to get there (many failed exams at the FCC).  No, I don't think
> I'm elite, just proud of what I did.  Do I deserve more spectrum--you
> bet--I earned it!  You earn it, and don't degrade the accomplishments of
> others.
>
> Rick, KG7A

Way to go, Rick!

73,
Lindsay
WA4ISZ


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Rick Perry wrote:
>
> I've been reading quite a few messages about doing away with CW or at
> least not requiring it on various levels of exams.  I completely
> disagree.
>
>   CW is an art form.  We live in an instant gradification society, "I
> want it now !!". We've been pretty much conditioned in this mode of
> operation. Why does it have to include ham radio?  What about tradition?
> Ham radio has a great tradition and CW is part of it.  Things like
> making your first QSO as a new novice (I still remember mine),
> developing your skills as an operator on CW and phone, moving up to the
> next license--these are things you can be proud of.  Which mode gets
> through better is not the point. Sure I 've been on for almost 40 years
> now and I'm an old -- whatever, but I am still proud of my abilities on
> CW and phone.  You are advocating the loss of opportunity.  No one "even
> in the dark ages" wanted to spend time on CW at the start. All I wanted
> to do was talk on phone.  That was in the beginning, but as time passed
> and my skills increased I had gained something.
>
>   I agree that change is usually indicated from time to time. Well, we
> got it in handfulls, no-code licensing, VE testing, expanded bands. Then
> because someone decides that CW is in their way of more frequencies, the
> answer is do away with it, rather than taking on the challenge. Should
> reward be instantly granted on request?  Ham radio to many may be like
> their computer, if its running too slow go buy an upgrade.  To others,
> like me, ham radio means a great deal more. You are really the loser.
> Talk to some of the old timers.  Develop some real pride in your hobby
> and you will try and protect it.
>
>   Because I am an Extra does that make me elite?  Well, it took me 20
> years to get there (many failed exams at the FCC).  No, I don't think
> I'm elite, just proud of what I did.  Do I deserve more spectrum--you
> bet--I earned it!  You earn it, and don't degrade the accomplishments of
> others.
>
> Rick, KG7A

Rick-

Right on!

Alan, W3BV


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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In article <51ek6h$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Rice) w
rites:
>>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (charles cop
eland) writes:
>>> In article <515bgo$[e-mail]>,
>>> Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know you guys want a no code HF license. But I don't know exactly
>>>>what you expect to get when or if you get one.   I have seen a lot of
>>>>'logic' from the Carl Clan supporting the 'plan', but I haven't seen
>>>>much about what 'the plan' is.  That's why I am asking.
>>>
>>> Simply put, substitute much more stringent technical written
>>> tests for code test. Thats all.
>>
>>I'll buy that. Let's go back to the days where you had to draw
>>schematics and do 'real math'. No more 'memorize the test'. I'd go for
                     ^^^^^^^^^
>>that...
>>
>
>Me, too!  NO PROBLEM!

Actually, I think the tests should include complex math, too.

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In article <51f6gt$[e-mail]>,
Michael P. Deignan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <51eper$[e-mail]>,
>       Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Actually, I think the tests should include complex math, too.
>
>I think that's very snobbish and elitist of you.
>
>Obviously there are many fine people who would be excluded from an
>amateur license merely because they didn't take advanced mathematics
>classes in high-school if tests with this criteria where in place.

Um, doesn't the advanced test have impedance calculations?  I know
the Extra does.  Guess what?  You use complex math for these, well,
if you don't memorize the answers.

Afterall, CW is just one of many modes that an amateur can elect to
use, but complex math is *the* way to perform impedance calculations.
Impedance calculations relate to radio in general, and therefore
apply to all modes an amateur may elect to use.  Perhaps I'm
being snobbish and elitist, thinking that that the fundamental
theory of how radios are built is more important than learning
one peculiar digital coding method by ear, but I'll survive.

--
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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charles copeland ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >>Simply put, substitute much more stringent technical written
: >>tests for code test. Thats all.
: >
: >So we retain all the license classes we have now,  the 'subbands' by licens
e
: >class, drop all the code tests, and punch up all the written tests, correct
 ?
: >Is this THE master plan or just your version of it ?

: Its the core of the problem, CW that is. DROP THE CODE!

Maybe drop it as a requirement. However, reserve a segment of each band
for CW only - with maybe subsegments for different code speeds. Then set
up two code tests 10 wpm and 20 wpm. One subsegment would be for people
who could receive at under 10 wpm - regardless of license class. This
would allow anyone to dabble, and probably find someone who sent code as
slowly as they could receive. The second subsegment would be for 10-19 wpm
and the third for 20+. Make it CW only - no AMTOR, PACTOR or other modes.

This would provide a place for people who enjoy CW, as well as those who
do not care for more modern communications methods.

As far as dying modes - isn't SSB dying out, except on the Ham and CB
bands? Most other communications seem to be FM or digital, due to the
increased noise immunity.

Bill



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From: Jim Conn <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> I proposed a 25kHz CW window at the bottom of the band, as a pacifier
> for the olde fartz  ... (they're welcome to participate in any
> and all of the new stuff ... if they want to and they're capable of
> understanding what's going on ...)
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]

Carl,

Your prejudice toward older hams seems disgusting and mean spirited.
If it were not for those who have gone before us, there would not be a
ham radio service at all.  We owe a debt of gratitude to these pioneers,
and to those who have done battle in the past and present to preserve our
hobby.

Hams who are older are not stupid because they are old.  For example, are
you getting stupider as you are getting older?  I hope not.  Such
stereotypes engender anger and resentment, and are of the same ilk as
similar stereotypes involving race, gender, religion, to mention a few.

Stereotyping those of us who support continued code testing into a class
that needs a "pacifier", and insinuating that we are incapable of
understanding the "new stuff", is not likely to cause us to support a
proposal that would throw us a crumb by giving us the lower 25KHz of the
bands we currently have full advantage of.

I don't know your age, nor do I care; however, just remember that each of
us, if we live, will grow old.  I hope you will be able to receive with
equanimity the same that you have given, when you become a member of the
senior citizen category.

I believe you could argue your case without casting aspersions on
seniors.  Besides, there are many who support continued code testing who
are far from being senior citizens, and no doubt some seniors support the
elimination of code testing.


Jim - AD4VL




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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
> (in response to someone else's:)
>>Somewhere I keep seeing 'Support the No Code General'.  Does that mean
>>that no code proponents support giving the general phone bands to the
>>no code licenses and leaving the rest of the band as is ? Do we allow no cod
e
>>licenses the use of the lower part of the bands, now used for CW and other
>>digital modes ?  Or do we keep them on SSB ?
>
>That's what Len Winkler seems to be proposing. I don't find it an
>especially attractive option, but it basically leaves everything
>unchanged except for giving current General privileges to those who
>pass the written tests through Extra. That would mean voice and image
>on the current General voice and image sub-bands, and data on the
>currently available General data sub-bands. I've seen no mention of
>prohibition of these Generals using Morse if they see fit, merely the
>removal of a formal Morse test and replacing it with a defacto on
>air test, IE if they can do it, they can, if they can't, they won't.
>So it is possible, though somewhat unlikely, that some of them might
>choose to become CW operators. There would be no modification of the
>current Advanced and Extra sub-bands.
>
>I find this plan undesirable because it doesn't remove these
>artificial sub-bands. I see no justification for different
>exam levels for operations on essentially identical spectrum,
>using essentially identical equipment, essentially identical
>power levels, and identical modes.
>


I agree ... 100% makes no more sense than CW testing for access to those
modes/sub-bands ...


 >OTOH I like the idea of telescoping the exam into one level
>encompassing all the knowledge  amateurs are expected to
>have. After all, if the knowledge is legitimately necessary
>to operate in one part of a HF band, it logically is also
>necessary to operate in any other part of the band.
>

This is true as well ... I'd carry it a step further ... NO
GRANDFATHERING ... I'd require all existing licensees to be retested to
the new standards ... let's see of the CW olde fartz can "cuat the
mustard!"  This would not burden the FCC significantly, and would
provide an opportunity to cull the SKs out of the license database ...
no retest, no license ... dead or alive ...


>The by mode sub-bands are a separate issue. Winkler doesn't
>address this. While in an ideal world these by mode sub-bands
>shouldn't be necessary, in the real world we probably need
>to retain them in some form to prevent the inevitable turf
>wars which would otherwise erupt due to mixing of mode usage
>on the same spectrum.
>

I'd propose 25kHz per band, bottom edge as a "CW window" ... everything
else should be open season ... from the regulatory standpoint ... that
way we can manage our own band plans on a voluntary basis and retain the
flexibility to change our "gentleman's agreements" as needs change
without having to "go back to the well" in a Rules change sense ...
I'd also favor removal of all bandwidth restrictions and all
restrictions on alphabets (ASCII, etc.), coding schemes for EDAC, and
spread-spectrum spreading techniques ... as long as we keep our
emissions in our own bands, we should be free to experiment.

>As a personal matter, I'd like to grab some of that underutilized
>spectrum toward the top of the bands for higher speed data use,
>but I'm realistic enough to understand that wouldn't sit well
>with the current occupants. There will be increasing pressure
>on the analog segments, however, as digital usage grows over
>the next decade. Just as the CD pushed out the LP, it is
>inevitable that digital will push out analog on radio as well
>unless regulations artifically prevent it.
>

I'm rapidly reaching the end of my patience with the dog-in-the-manger
old guard, Gary ... many of us have tried to reason with many of them
for years and years and gotten nowhere ...  I believe it's time to
simply steam-roller them and get on with the future of ham radio ... if
we continue to pander to their "tradition" and "sensitive sensibilities"
any longer, we'll only be putting the entire future of ham radio at more
significant risk.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Nick England)
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Let me ask a question to the folks proposing better theory testing as a
substitute for code testing :

Do you really believe there could ever be a serious technical test which
would limit access to the HF bands ? Politically speaking, I mean. I'll
grant you that it is possible to write and administer a meaningful
technical test.

We have been on the path to "no-theory" exams for quite a while and I
find it hard to imagine the imposition of serious theory testing. There
are plenty of folks with general/advanced/extra licenses who memorized
the questions and have no idea what Ohm's law is.

I expect the result of a no-code HF license would be much more
of a no-code no-theory license.
And I expect that is what many pro-coders really fear will happen.

Me, I'd be happy to have a serious theory test plus a code test - and
periodic re-testing too!

73,
Nick KD4CPL
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:28 1996
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In article <51l435$[e-mail]>,
michael silva <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <51kqgh$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>
>>In <51igac$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>>>In article <51i6dr$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>SSB is NOT dead ... just middle-aged ... CW, on the other hand is
>>>>positively fossilized ..
>>>
>>>Given that one is, at best, only a few years younger than the other,
>>>methinks that your statement is biased from your own inherent
>dislikes.
>>>
>>Morse code is almost 150 years old ... SSB first came into use in the
>>1950s or thereabouts ...  how do you figure that "Given that one is,
>>at best, only a few years younger than the other" ???
>
>The International Morse Code (BTW, there isn't just one "Morse Code")
>was first used in wireless communications in the 1890s.  SSB was
>demonstrated in 1915, while AM was demonstrated in 1901.

The telegraph was used long before 1890. CW has been around for how
long? Samuel Morse died in 1872. My dictionary implies CW was invented
in 1867. CW is 129 years old, if this info is correct.




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From: [e-mail] (Bill Nelson)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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[e-mail] wrote:

: I proposed a 25kHz CW window at the bottom of the band, as a pacifier
: for the olde fartz ... let them pound brass until they're too senile to
: remember what the key is for any more ...  just get them (politically)
: out of the way of progress ... (they're welcome to participate in any
: and all of the new stuff ... if they want to and they're capable of
: understanding what's going on ...)

Hm. Maybe we should also set up a 25 KHz SSB window next to it. After all,
SSB is also dying - with the shift being to digital. The same should be
done for FM.

Then, we can isolate ALL those who are not willing to experiment with
new technology.

Bill


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Joe Craig wrote:
>
> Gerald Schmitt ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : In <51eper$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
> : writes:
> : >
> : >In article <51ek6h$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : >>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John
> : Rice) writes:
> : >>>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> : (charles copeland) writes:
> : >>>> In article <515bgo$[e-mail]>,
> : >>>> Jim Kehler <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>>
> : >>>>>I know you guys want a no code HF license. But I don't know
> : exactly
> : >>>>>what you expect to get when or if you get one.   I have seen a lot
> : of
> : >>>>>'logic' from the Carl Clan supporting the 'plan', but I haven't
> : seen
> : >>>>>much about what 'the plan' is.  That's why I am asking.
> : >>>>
> : >>>> Simply put, substitute much more stringent technical written
> : >>>> tests for code test. Thats all.
> : >>>
> : >>>I'll buy that. Let's go back to the days where you had to draw
> : >>>schematics and do 'real math'. No more 'memorize the test'. I'd go
> : for
> : >                     ^^^^^^^^^
> : >>>that...
> : >>>
> : >>
> : >>Me, too!  NO PROBLEM!
> : >
> : >Actually, I think the tests should include complex math, too.
> : >
> : >--
> : > * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and
> : should *
> : > * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as
> :     *
> : > * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.
> :     *
> : >
>
> : And what's the matter with; hole theory, relativistic momentum
> : equations, or just a touch of quantum mechanics. Actually all of the
> : above are useful in amateur radio but unlike CW you don't have to
> : master them to enjoy the hobby.
>
> :                             73 Jerry
>
> You do if you want to use MP-QSD (meson-photon quantum state decoupling).
> That's the new mode that makes digital and spread spectrum obsolete.
> The only problem is that it is useless on waves shorter than 10 metres.
> ... and the CW requirement is keeping all these theoretical physicists
> who can contribute _so much_ to our hobby off HF.   sob sob!
>
>      ;->
>
> :
>
> --
> 73 Joe VO1NA


>Why dont all you cry babies just bite the bullet and admit you are too lazy t
o work at cw?  nt4g dave


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In <51mbd1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nick England) writes:
>
>OK, I now understand that Carl is NOT someone proposing better technical
>testing in lieu of a CW test - he essentially believes an appliance
>operator's license is the way to go. That way his technical buddies
>won't have to learn that nasty old CW and his non-technical buddies won't
>have to learn CW *or* that nasty old radio technology.
>

I HAVE BEEN saying that the technical tests need to be made more
comprehensive and meaningful ... I've said that over and over again ...
I DO NOT support an "appliance operator's license" ...

However, the purpose is not "to keep people out" (so the bands won't
"be too crowded") ...  the purpose is to assure that people are
sufficiently competent in the *relevant* skill necessary for safe
and interference-free operation ... not to support a government-mandated
fraternity hazing ...

>Well, I can't believe adding Carl's good buddies to the bands will
>do much to improve ham radio, so how about hearing from someone who
>seriously proposes tougher technical testing for advanced privileges?
>

Watch it with the "Carl's *good buddies*" inuendo ...  I am NOT in favor
of a CB-like ham radio ...  but the code does not keep out the "10-4
good buddy" types, either ...

>I'd be glad to see lots more people on the air - lots more technically
>qualified people. And I think there are a batch of idiots already
>on HF who should be re-tested too.
>

I agree with you 100%+++ on that one ...  I could support some sort of
scheme for retesting for license renewal ... I'd also like it if we
could find a way to rid ourselves of sociopaths who jam, shout
obscenities on the air, etc.

>Why the emphasis on limiting HF access, then ? Not to keep
>people out, but to serve as a carrot (incentive) to people to learn
>more about ham radio operation and ham radio technology. HF access is
>clearly such an incentive, otherwise there wouldn't be so many folks
>clamoring to be given a license.

Yes, but the only thing emphasized right now for HF access is code ...
to get totally unrelated priveleges, you have to demonstrate faster and
faster code speeds ... rediculous ...

Nick ... I think you missunderstood me ... I don't think we have very
different opinions at all ...

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]





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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In <51hlit$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>This is true as well ... I'd carry it a step further ... NO
>GRANDFATHERING ... I'd require all existing licensees to be retested to
>the new standards ... let's see of the CW olde fartz can "cuat the
>mustard!"  This would not burden the FCC significantly, and would
>provide an opportunity to cull the SKs out of the license database ...
>no retest, no license ... dead or alive ...

this could be a bad thing -- do you want to cull out a significant number
of amateurs that are currently in the body count? sure, it'd be good to know
exactly where we stand on population, but now's probably not the time
to do it.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:33 1996
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In <[e-mail]>, Jim Conn <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Carl,
>
>Your prejudice toward older hams seems disgusting and mean spirited.

Jim,

I have stated clearly on many occasions that chronological age does not
an "olde farte" make ...  it's attitude and little else ...

I know and have known people (including hams) in their 70s and 80s whose
intelligence and spirit of exploration, invention, and adventure are an
inspiration ...  I used to know a guy who was a land-line telegrapher
when he was a kid ...  he could copy lengthly bursts of code at 60-70wpm
in his head without even thinking about it while simultaneously carrying
on a conversation with me ...  and that was after he'd had a few beers
<grin>

I also know people in their 30s and 40s who are truly "olde fartz" ...
they are stagnant, backward-looking, mean-spirited individuals whose
attitudes towards life in general and anything new in particular deserve
nothing but contempt ... because they are the "spoilers" who stand in
the way of anything that remotely resembles progress either in ham
radio, or in society in general.

I have a great deal of respect and admiration for the pioneers who went
before us in the early days of ham radio ... I've read the history ... I
have been a member of the Radio Club of America ...

I don't believe that the early pioneers of ham radio, who were inventors
and experimenters first, would approve at all of the stagnating,
anti-progress ideals espoused by the current "keep the code, and keep
those damned no-coders off of 'our' bands" establishment sentiments.

>Stereotyping those of us who support continued code testing into a class
>that needs a "pacifier", and insinuating that we are incapable of
>understanding the "new stuff", is not likely to cause us to support a
>proposal that would throw us a crumb by giving us the lower 25KHz of the
>bands we currently have full advantage of.
>

You currently have SHARED access to the HF bands ... I suggested a 25kHz
EXCLUSIVE sub-band, so that you'd ALWAYS have some space for CW without
having to put up with newer digital modes that are not so pleasing to
the ear ... even I don't like to LISTEN to the digital stuff. :-)

BTW, I'm 46 and have been licensed continuously since 1975, so I guess
if age was all that mattered, there'd be some who would classify me as
an "old-timer" ...

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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[e-mail]>:

Distribution:

David Dees ([e-mail]) wrote:
.
.

: >
: > : And what's the matter with; hole theory, relativistic momentum
: > : equations, or just a touch of quantum mechanics. Actually all of the
: > : above are useful in amateur radio but unlike CW you don't have to
: > : master them to enjoy the hobby.
: >
: > :                             73 Jerry
: >


: >Why dont all you cry babies just bite the bullet and admit you are too lazy
 to work at cw?  nt4g dave

Look.... anyone who knows an iota about quantum mechanics knows MP2
is better than HF.  We now have the technology to use MP2 so why
is everyone still whining about HF??

:-)

--
73 Joe VO1NA



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In <51m26p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <51kqn0$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>We need more people, not less ... but yes, they should be qualified to
>>safely operate radios without hurting themselves or others, and without
>>causing harmful interference to other services ... that's all.
>
>Well Carl, you just made the case for a "no code, no theory" examination.
>If the only purpose of the test is to "safely operate radios" and not
>cause harmful interference, then you can boil the entire 5 technical
>examinations we have today down to a single 10-question multiple-choice
>exam.
>
>MD

Mike, youe mastery of the rediculous is astounding ...

To assert that a 10 question multiple-choice exam would be a meaningful
theory test capable of demonstrating that one had the necessary
technical knowledge and competence to safely operate (let alone build) a
wide variety of ham radio gear, including things like 1500W linears with
HV power supplies, etc.  and also to be able to recognize and prevent
harmful interference is simply absurd!

But, then again, that shouldn't surprise anyone, 'cause you've
consistently demonstrated that you excel in absurd.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:36 1996
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In <51g476$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill Nelson) writes:
>charles copeland ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: >>Simply put, substitute much more stringent technical written
>: >>tests for code test. Thats all.
>: >
>: >So we retain all the license classes we have now,  the 'subbands' by licen
se
>: >class, drop all the code tests, and punch up all the written tests, correc
t ?
>: >Is this THE master plan or just your version of it ?
>
>: Its the core of the problem, CW that is. DROP THE CODE!
>
>Maybe drop it as a requirement. However, reserve a segment of each band
>for CW only - with maybe subsegments for different code speeds.

OK ... I've already said I'd go along with 25kHz, bottom of the band, on
each band, as CW-only ... anything more exclusive is too much ...
nothing to stop CW operationin the ramainder ... but more than 25kHz
exclusive is too much "dinasaur preserve" ...


>Then set
>up two code tests 10 wpm and 20 wpm. One subsegment would be for people
>who could receive at under 10 wpm - regardless of license class. This
>would allow anyone to dabble, and probably find someone who sent code as
>slowly as they could receive. The second subsegment would be for 10-19 wpm
>and the third for 20+. Make it CW only - no AMTOR, PACTOR or other modes.
>

There is no point in continuing ANY code testing ... let people dabble
with CW if they wish ... even use it exclusively if they wish ... but
make it COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY ... if people WANT to do it fine ... if
they don't LET IT DIE (a "dignified death" without a bunch of artificial
life support)

SOMEONE HELP ME ... I NEED A .GIF OF "MORSE" in the ICU ... with all of
the machines, tubes, etc. hooked up to "him" ...

>This would provide a place for people who enjoy CW, as well as those who
>do not care for more modern communications methods.
>
>As far as dying modes - isn't SSB dying out, except on the Ham and CB
>bands? Most other communications seem to be FM or digital, due to the
>increased noise immunity.
>

SSB is NOT dying out ... it is used extensively in the marine and
aviation bands, by the military, and for many other things ... it will
eventually be replaced by digital methods, but for now it is still quite
vital (in the "health" sense, that is)

Remember, SSB is only about 50 years old on radio ... CW is roughly 3x
as old ... so it only stands to be more antiquated and less used ...


Carl - wa6vse
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In <51kqgh$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>In <51igac$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Michael P. Deignan) writes:
>>In article <51i6dr$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>>SSB is NOT dead ... just middle-aged ... CW, on the other hand is
>>>positively fossilized ..
>>
>>Given that one is, at best, only a few years younger than the other,
>>methinks that your statement is biased from your own inherent
dislikes.
>>
>Morse code is almost 150 years old ... SSB first came into use in the
>1950s or thereabouts ...  how do you figure that "Given that one is,
>at best, only a few years younger than the other" ???

The International Morse Code (BTW, there isn't just one "Morse Code")
was first used in wireless communications in the 1890s.  SSB was
demonstrated in 1915, while AM was demonstrated in 1901.

73,
Mike, KK6GM




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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
>
>(Of course you can cut up a conditioned flatworm and feed
>it to other flatworms and they'll exhibit the same response
>to stimulus without the need for extensive conditioning.
>Perhaps that's how to clean up CB, we'll cut up some Morse
>conditioned amateurs and feed them to the CBers. That will
>then somehow make them morally superior beings as well.)
>
>Gary


First modern use for "Morse conditioned amateurs" I've ever heard of ...
too bad it's illegal ... :-)

Carl - wa6vse




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From: [e-mail] (Gary Pearce)
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[e-mail] (Rick A Martin) wrote:

>Here in Oklahoma we in the Ham radio community have recently dealt with 3
>emergencies that involved on-site communications that lasted 1 to 2 weeks
>or longer.  Several of us have noted that the 2 meter HT has been the
>workhorse of this effort. Fortunatly, we have been near repeaters most of
>the time.  The experience has highlighted the fact that outside a metro
>area the HT would be severly limited. We are looking at a project to
>build a "generic" repeater controler for emergencies that could use two
>radios to quickly set up a repeater (no frills) on any freq.  Obviously
>the audio would have to come from a speaker output and end up as a mic
>level input and the TX switching would have to come from audio detection
>instead of AGC.  Technical details aside, I come to the question of
>whether anyone knows of such a controller or are we going to have to
>develop it ourselves?

>73 from the Heartland
>Rick, AB5ON

I know I've seen ads for just what you're looking for, tying two HTs
together as a repeater (or two mobile radios, or mobile and HT).  I skimmed
a new and an old QST but didn't come across it right away.

Keep in mind that making an in-band repeater is quite a challenge to avoid
desense, especially on 2-meters.

As an alternate solution, we sometimes use crossband repeaters built into
dual-band mobile radios.  We either cut the hangtime on the repeater back
to zero, or put PL on the repeater that drops off during the hang time to
make crossband repeating work.

73,
Gary KN4AQ

Gary Pearce             Avid/Video Editor       Internet:[e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:44 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Geoffrey Ellis)
Subject: Special Event Station 21 September, K6BJ
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Special Event Station
Saturday, September 21, 1996

Santa Cruz County Amateur Radio Club

K6BJ

Please join us in celebrating 80 years as an amateur radio club. We will
operate a special event station at Chews Ridge from 1800 UTC on
21 Sepember 1996 to at least 0200 UTC on 22 September 1996 (11:00 AM to
7:00 PM local time). Local hams, within about 75 miles, can work us at
146.52 or 146.55 MHz. Look for us also at 7.275, 14.075, 14.275, and
28.465 MHz.

Chews Ridge is located in Monterey County, California at the north end
of the Los Padres National Forest, at 5000 foot elevation.  Approximate
coordinates: 36 deg 19 min N by 121 deg 37 min W.  For a QSL card, send
a self-addressed stamped envelope with your call sign to:

    Santa Cruz County Amateur Radio Club
    P. O. Box 238
    Santa Cruz, CA 95061

73
Geoffrey Ellis, KD6MFM


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I am trying to find out which is the better way to stack a pair of yagi
horizonally polarized. Does anyone have any thoughts on the pair being
stacked on top of each other or side by side. Please let me know what you
think. thanks, Mike


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:46 1996
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From: "DR. DAVE" <[e-mail]>
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Bill Nelson wrote:
>
> Rich Greenberg ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : In article <[e-mail]>,
> : Mike Snowden  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : >I am trying to find out which is the better way to stack a pair of yagi
> : >horizonally polarized. Does anyone have any thoughts on the pair being
> : >stacked on top of each other or side by side. Please let me know what you
> : >think. thanks, Mike
>
> : Stacking vertically is a much easier mechanical arrangement.
>
> Yes, but harder on the rotator.
>
> Bill

Hi Bill

I have stacked them both ways. I prefer one on top the other @ 1/2 wave apart
if
possible. But Bill is right its real hard on the rotor. But depends on what ba
nd
you are using. Like I wouldn't on 40meters. WOHA
                                                Dave


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jack GF Hill)
Subject: Re: stacking yagi's
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[e-mail] (Bill Nelson) writes:
> Rich Greenberg ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Mike Snowden  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> : >I am trying to find out which is the better way to stack a pair of yagi
> : >horizonally polarized. Does anyone have any thoughts on the pair being
> : >stacked on top of each other or side by side.
> : Stacking vertically is a much easier mechanical arrangement.
> Yes, but harder on the rotator.
Huh? Would you mind explaining that leap?

If the rotor is mounted inside the tower with a proper thrust bearing,
(In both the vertical and horizontal stack) how is the vertical stack
harder on the rotor?
The moment arm of the mast sticking out (assuming a "close stack") is
of NO concern on the rotor, and provides the *same* weight and mass to
be rotated as does the horizontal stack, *BUT* the horizontal stack
has a MUCH greater horizontal moment arm for added torque on the rotor
and a far greater braking and holding load....

Looks to me like the horizontal stack, using a long horizontal mast to
separate, creates a great deal more stress on the rotor, and hence is
much harder on the rotor...

But then I may have overlooked something magical somewhere. ;^)
--
73,
Jack, W4PPT/M (75M SSB 2-letter WAS #1657/#1789 -- both from the mobile! ;^)

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Rice)
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In article <01bba371$53c87a60$05070ccf@jim-reid-1>, "Jim Reid" <[e-mail]
t> writes:

> Some decades ago,  when I was in engineering school,  I was required
> to learn the San Francisco Street Car electrical control system.
>
> I really would object to having to learn about street car control systems
> today were I in school!!  Even when someone told me they were still
> very much in use elsewhere in the world;  but not where I am.  Even the
> steam trains have left Kauai!!  But,  I am one who really does enjoy
> using the CW mode,  old coot that I am!

On the other hand, when I was pursuing a BSEE at University of Hawaii, I
was required to Learn World History and Philosophy, before I was even
allowed to attend EE classes. I would have much rather been learning
'Street Car Control Systems', as it would have had, at least, 'some'
relationship to my chosen career path :-).


--------

   John Rice -  K9IJ       | "I speak for myself, not my employer".
                           |  Miracles, Magic and Sleight-of-hand done here.
   [e-mail]          |  Licensed since 1959
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:49 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
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Just a quick note to that Carl for his tireless jousting at the radid
pro code folks. When I first got my license I was enthusiastic about
all aspects of amateur radio including code. The exposure I got on the
net to the very rabid pro code folks A.K.A Code Nazis has comptletely
changed that.

Now I am solidly against any code test of more than 5 WPM. I think the
band plan should be changed to significantly reduce the spectrum
reserved for CW particularly in light of the fact that they are free to
operate anywhere in the bands.

Rather than wasting my energy "debating" the issue on the net I spend
the time I want to devote to this issue working to change things. I
suspect that I am not alone but most people would rather not endure the
flames and insults that result when you come out against the code.

For the comprehension challenged. I was not against the code when I got
into ham radio. The net is the biggest infulence in turning me against
the fast code test. For each person willing to write and tell you this
many are not. Neither ham radio nor life as we know it on the planet
will end if the fast code test does.

Thanks again Carl keep up the good work.

                    73 Jerry


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Cecil)
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[e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ) wrote:

>Just a quick note to that Carl for his tireless jousting at the radid
>pro code folks. When I first got my license I was enthusiastic about
>all aspects of amateur radio including code. The exposure I got on the
>net to the very rabid pro code folks A.K.A Code Nazis has comptletely
>changed that.
>>>>>>>>>> snip <<<<<<<<<<<<

Jerry,
My feelings are almost opposite of yours. Since I have gotten on the
Internet and started following the code debate I have become more
pro-code. Mind you I am only a Tech plus, but I intend to upgrade and
will use CW. I have listened to the arguments and have yet to be
swayed by the anti-code logic. Change the band plan? For what and how?
(Remember, you must somehow satisfy all modes that are used) Change
the test? To what?

I am sorry Jerry but I am not convinced. You use the phrase "Code
Nazis" to describe the pro-coders, but I view the code as the
TANSTAAFL. "There ain't No Such Thing as a Free Lunch" There must be
some way of making someone earn the right to be a HAM. I see the code
as the final hurdle to graduation.You, Carl, and the others may be
right that the Code will go away. But what do you intend to use as a
final hurdle. If you give away the Amateur Radio License then why
should anyone respect it.

My final thought is this:
Robert Heinlein in his novel "Starship Troopers" said this -
The American Constitution guarantees you the right to the pursuit of
happiness, but no where does it guarantee you the right to succeed in
your pursuit of it.

And somewhere I remember being told that "that which is not earned but
given freely away has no value."

Do not devalue our Ham License by giving it away, Please.

73
Paul Cecil
KA5FPT / DA2PC
Kaiserslautern, Germany
Ramstein Air Base
email: [e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:52 1996
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In <51do8l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Cecil) writes:
>
>I am sorry Jerry but I am not convinced. You use the phrase "Code
>Nazis" to describe the pro-coders, but I view the code as the
>TANSTAAFL. "There ain't No Such Thing as a Free Lunch" There must be
>some way of making someone earn the right to be a HAM. I see the code
>as the final hurdle to graduation.You, Carl, and the others may be
>right that the Code will go away. But what do you intend to use as a
>final hurdle. If you give away the Amateur Radio License then why
>should anyone respect it.
>

I respect my license ... and I earned it ... however, I did not think
the CW test was a valid "requirement" then, nor do I now ... I actually
would respect my license more, had the theory part of the test been the
least bit challenging ... the code part earned no respect ... it was
simply a pain in the ass and a waste of my time ...

>
>And somewhere I remember being told that "that which is not earned but
>given freely away has no value."
>
>Do not devalue our Ham License by giving it away, Please.
>

Nobody who is advocating the elimination of the CW testing requirement
is saying "give the license away to anyone" ... what we are saying is
that more meaningful technical tests should be given to EVERYONE ... and
that the CW requirement should be dropped because it is no longer seen
as relevant by huge numbers of current and prospective hams ...


Not a "free lunch" ... more like get your driver's license by taking a
driving test, rather than proving that you can saddle a horse ...

Please reconsider the issue with an open mind in light of the above ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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Jim Kehler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Todd Little) wrote:
:
: >In article <5167ok$[e-mail]>
: >[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:
:
-> lots of wibble cut off <-
: Again, go find somebody else to argue with, Toddsky.  If I wanted to discuss
: anything with YOU, I would respond to the posting that YOU write.......
:
: Absence of the above mentioned responses should tell you something, but
: apparantly it doesn't.
:
: Hafa Adai,
: Jim KH2D

I have found Mr Kehler's comments rather amusing in the past, his tart
remarks even creative at times but I see the signs of Island life wearing
away on this mainlander.

Guam attracts two type of mainlanders...the entrepreneur and the social
misfit.  Since Mr Kehler chooses not to publish his phone number in the
Guam Telephone directory (nor do his ham friends who share the same PO box)
or list PacRim Golf Accessories in the yellow pages....the answer becomes
more evident.  Mostlikely, Mr Kehler uses his "skills" to wrench dollars
from Asian tourists, a captive audience to be sure.  Let's hope these
tourists don't use Mr Kehler as a model for all Americans.

Since he's of the Vietnam era, maybe it was his military service in Nam
that brings him to this place.....but alas, his name doesn't appear to be
with those who fought in that awful war.

We'll be sending Mr Kehler back to the mainland soon....... Jeff Evan's
nightly influence, load shedding and Island life wear on him to the point
that he'll join his comrades's in Montana soon.


Hafa Adai to you too, Mr Kehler....from someone who know it's true meaning

Jeff




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:18:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] wrote:

>In <514748$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehle
r) writes:
>>>Phil Karn <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> (a bunch of flawlessly correct, calm, sensible statments blowing
>>>  holes in EVERY one of Burt's "CW is the best" spiel)
>>
>>Where have we heard all this B4 ?
>>
>>

>Jim,

>If you're alluding that what Phil wrote sounds a lot like the things
>that Gary and I have said about the technical realities of CW vs. modern
>digital modes, I'm flattered ...

Good. I'm happy you are flattered.

>Phil's reputation for technical expertise and excellence is
>well-established both in amateur and commercial circles ...  I'd suggest
>you not "fence" with him ...  you'll end up a gelding ...

I'm tired of fencing, Carl. Especially with a stone wall. If it was chain link
fence, there might be some light coming thru, but ..........

I had hoped you had realilzed that, and responded to some recent
postings I made asking questions about a truce, but I guess when you
are busy fighting the war, it takes a long time for you to get around to
the new mail.

Besides, if I recall correctly, Phil is now an attorney, and I know better
than to fence with those guys.......

73, Jim KH2D




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From: [e-mail] (Mark Little)
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>
>
> WHAT IS  C W
>
> * It is a unique,intimate,concise and effective communications skill still
> employed throughout the world.

CW, just to be pedantic for a second, does not convey intelligence unless it
is coded. Morse code is the most common hand transmitted CW code.

> * It is the most efficient mode in terms of power required for long-
> distance communication ,least susecptible to interference,and conserving of
> the radio frequency spectrum.

Not true, unless you also stipulate that it must also be one of the cheapest.

>
> * It involves no accent or pronunciation problems,therefore providing a
> widely understood international language.

This is a common fallacy about Morse code - it is NOT a widely understood
international language - it is not a language at all. It is a basic one for
one represntation of the alphabet and numbers. If you cannot understand
a common voice language, then what most people are relying on is the
abbreviation codes such as the Q-codes. If you think I'm off the mark, then
perhaps you could show how you would communicate to a non-english speaker
that:

"Tomorrow, it will be fine so I'll do my washing. The day after, I will do
the ironing when it is raining."

This is a simple concept in any true language, so the "widely understood
international language" should be able to communicate this easily without
resorting to English.

The writer also tends to overlook the fact the Morse operators also have
"accents" which can impair communications. One could also argue that any
text based comms is free of accent.

> * It employs simpler,more reliable and easily maintained equipment than any
> other communications mode.
>

Most amateurs use commercial equipment which provides the other modes as well.
It is true, however, that if you build the simplist possible transmitter and
receiver, but in many cases, modern communication building blocks allow other
modes for the same relative complexity.

As to being more reliable, this is questionable as the transmitter is being
powered up and down continuously. Given the same level of technology, I'd
suggest that an FM rig would probably be more reliable as it is keyed less
that a CW rig for a comparable contact time.

> * It is an equalizer,negating age,speech impediments and dialectical
> differences;it provides for ready acceptance of youngsters in an adult
> enviornment.

It however, does discriminate against people, especially older people, who
have muscular problems which limit their hand coordination. The ready
acceptance of youngsters is a bit tenuous, unless the writer is implying
that older amateurs are "age-ist". I would hope that that amateurs accept
people on their actions, not their perceived voice age. Otherwise, it would
tend to indicate that they may discriminate against sending style anyway.

> * It is the ONLY radio communications mode that is understood readily by
> both man and machine.
>

>
> Please note  :   the above article was submitted for packet by N1CNS as
> a reminder that it is a serious and viable means of communication. Any
> responses may be sent to me WA1HVD @ KA1AZ.RI.USA
> 
> .

This comment, I do agree whole-heartedly. CW operation should always have a
place in Amateur Radio as long as a single operator whichs to use it. It can
be a very enjoyable pursuit to many amateurs. I would certainly resist any
move to say that CW (Morse) should not retain its slice of all amateur bands.

Mark




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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] wrote:

>I'm sorry Sir, by you obviously:

>a) have not read/understood the numerous factual presentations which
>   clearly prove the above assertion to be false, no matter how many
>   times you say it and click your heels together ...

I haven't read any 'factual presentations' either, Carl.  I have read a lot
of opinions.  If you have an opinion, and you type it enuff times, does that
change it to a 'factual presentation' ? Maybe in your book, but not in mine.

>> Cheapest is that HAM is all about.

>Now this part you've got right ... at least if you're talking about the
>"old guard" ... they ARE too cheap to invest in modern gear ... that's
>one of the reasons they're still using CW (and 1200 baud AFSK packet
>for that matter).

Sorry, Carl, but I don't think we can accept that statement as a 'factual
presentation' either.  Personally, I think I have probably spent more money
on ham gear by accident than most technicians have spent on purpose.
What 'modern gear' would you like us to invest in that we don't already
have ? For that matter, what 'modern gear' is available ? I don't see anything
advertised in the AES catalog that wasn't there four or five years ago.

>The Q signals are perfectly suited for conveying the limited number of
>concepts consistent with moronic intelligence levels ... perhaps that's
>why they're common with CW ops and SSB lids ...  I'd prefer to have a
>bit more flexibility to carry on an intelligent conversation myself.

OK. So now everyone who uses Q codes on either SSB or CW is a
moron ?  That should include about 95% of the ham population .....

>There is absolutely NO redeeming value in "UR 599 in ____, RIG HR is
>____, TNX FER QSO ES 73, CUL" ...  this sort of "QSO" is an absolute
>abomination, a waste of spectrum, and does NOTHING to forward the
>purposes for which the Amateur Radio Service was established.

Sure it does. It's just a part of the hobby you don't understand.  It's
called DX'ing.   It's something that a lot of people, worldwide, enjoy.
We could say the same thing about PACKET BBS FORWARDING
now, couldn't we ?  Absolute abomination, waste of spectrum and
does nothing usefull at all.  That's a pretty good description of the
packet network, I would say.  All headers and no meat.

>As I've said before, digital systems are ROUTINELY transmitting data
>over paths of several THOUSAND miles, day in and day out, using powers
>in the 10 MILLI-Watt range ... CW is junk in comparison with the
>modern technologies available in today's world, pure and simple.

You've said it many times before.  But that doesn't make it a 'factual
presentation'.  For all I know, it's something you dreamed one nite after
you ate some cucumbers.

So please amaze us with some facts, Carl.  WHO on the ham bands
(list of call signs would be OK) is using WHAT digital system (what's it
called) that's being used day in and day out ON THE HAM BANDS
(what bands)  in the 10 mw range over paths of several thousand miles ?
If you would please just provide us with those FACTS, then maybe we
could accept it as a 'factual presentation' instead of gas caused by
something you ate.

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: The party is over for CB
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In article <[e-mail]> Mid Life Crisis <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>> >Gary, KF9CM wrote:
>>
>> >Well boys and girls the party's over for CB.  This means that the local
>> >police will arest and fine you if it passes. The Bill reads out as
>> >follows:
[snip]
>> To all ham operators:
>>
>> You better hope and pray that the bozo cop who gets dispatched to
>> investigate an interference complaint is technically qualified to judge
>> what is a CB station and what is a ham station.
>
>How about showing him your license?

Yeah, right. Reaching for your license is a good way to get shot.

>> I don't know about you, Gary, but I don't have the time or money to go
>> to court to prove that I am a ham and was running a legal station.
>
>Did you ever consider that the state must prove that YOU were the
>interfearing station? Or did you think the officer was going to ask you
>to cough up some cash on the spot?

It is quite obvious you've never been on the receiving end of a police
raid. A group of heavily armed masked thugs kick in your door, throw
you against the wall, ransack your place, confiscate anything they damn
well please as "evidence", and then after you get the charges dismissed
as false (costing you thousands in lawyer fees), you still have to sue
to get your goods returned (likely in not very good condition). And they
won't pay to fix the damage they did to your house either. You go back to
court to sue for damages and guess what? They have sovereign immunity and
you can't sue without their permission.

It is bad enough having to deal with federal agents, who (not counting
ATF) are at least generally polite while ransacking your place. Adding
in the local thugs as well is not a good idea at all. The only difference
between local police thugs and the Mafia is that you might actually get
the protection you're paying for from the Mafia.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Paul)
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Subject: Re: The party is over for CB
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>>[e-mail] wrote:
>>> >Gary, KF9CM wrote:
>>>
>>> >Well boys and girls the party's over for CB.  This means that the local
>>> >police will arest and fine you if it passes. The Bill reads out as
>>> >follows:
>[snip]
>>> To all ham operators:
-snip-

It sounds to me like this bill was written by a single person (Mr. FEINGOLD)
and not reviewed or critizised by anyone with a technical understanding of the

problem.

> (e) Where radio frequency interference to home electronic

Why exclusivly home electronics? Why not commercial electronics as well?

>          equipment is caused by a CB radio station through the use of a
>          transmitter or amplifier that is not authorized for use by a CB
>          radio station pursuant to Commission rules, the State, county,
>          municipal, or other local government shall not be preempted from
>          exercising its police powers to resolve the interference by
>          prohibiting the use of such unauthorized equipment or by

Possible loopholes -Is someone operating an amatuer radio in the CB band
subject to this? I think it is clearly stated so, but how about someone using
the same equipment at 26.0MHz? or 27.9MHz? Now they have no ties to CB radio.
But these are the same people that bills like this are written to catch.

>          imposing fines or other monetary sanctions.  For purpose of this
>          subsection, home electronic equipment includes, but is not
>          limited to, television receivers, radio receivers, stereo
>          components or systems, video cassette recorders, audio
>          recorders, loud speakers, telephone equipment and other
>          electronic devices normally used in the home. Any action taken
>          by the State, county, municipal, or local government shall not
>          preclude concurrent action by the Commission. Nothing in this
>          subsection shall be construed to diminish the Commission's
>          exclusive jurisdiction over radio frequency interference in any
>          matter outside the scope of this subsection.'.

As others have pointed out, the police are there to enforce the laws, not
interperate them. They collect evidence of an alleged illicit occurance, and
forward that evidence and information to the judicial system. The judicial
system decides wether or not you have broken any laws.

One problem here is that the police do not have the ability to properly
collect sufficient evidence for the courts to make a decision (I suppose they
would need spectrum analyzers, power meters, frequency counters, recievers,
etc). That would mean the only evidence they could possibly collect would be
the equipment itself (Gary Coffman had the best summary of that scenario in
a previous post).

The idea presented here could work as a law, but it would need more specific
definitons and need to spell out what sort of equipment and knowledge is
needed to enforce the law.

San Diego has several CB stations broadcasting over 1KW, and while there not
my neighbors, I'm sure the neighbors of these guys are noticing some effects.
It would be nice to put an end to them.

I agree with the purpose of this bill, but it is poorly written and could
encourage other types of activities, making this a bad bill.

-Bill Paul
KF6BBL  San Diego, CA


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From: Burt Fisher <[e-mail]>
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What others say:

From: [e-mail] (Hans Brakob)

Hi,

With reference to your recent comments about contesters, I thought
of you when I saw the following:

With apologies to Darwin, it's obvious that ham radio has three
distinct classes of people, each with its own evolutionary destiny:


1)  Hard core contesters who will evolve into godlike
non-corporal beings who rule the universe (except for those who
work only phone contests).

2)  Contester wannabes who try to pass as knowledgeable but secretly
lurk and copy 2 or 3 exchanges to get the call and serial number
before attempting their own exchange.  This group will gravitate
toward jobs as high school principals and operators of pet
crematoriums.  Eventually they will become extinct.

3) Non-contesters who will grow tails, sit in zoos and fling dung at
tourists, while chanting "Please QSY -- there's a net down 10KC
and it's been there for 40 years."

73, de Hans (Grinning, Ducking, and Running)










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you will be able to try your hand at, the 1st ever, Ham Radio Crossword
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:06 1996
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On the 2nd November 1936 the BBC started the world's first regular high
definition television service from Alexandra Palace in North London. The
Ariel Radio Group is celebrating this by holding a QSO party on the HF
bands over the weekend of the 2nd / 3rd November 1996. Anyone involved in
any aspect of broadcasting (ie, TV, radio, cable, satellite,facilities
houses and support companies) is encouraged to take part. We hope that
during this event a station from the group will be active using our special
call for this year GB60BBC, possibly from Alexandra Palace.

This is not a contest but participants are invited to submit logs showing
date, time, station worked and broadcast affiliation of station worked (ie:
BBC, Granada, C4, NHK, ABC, Sony etc.) a certificate will be awarded to
anyone sending in an entry. Entries may be sent either by mail to: Brian
Bower, 19 Chapel Road, Flackwell Heath, High Wycombe, Bucks. HP10 9AB or by
e-mail to [e-mail] to arrive by January 1st 1997

The QSO party will start at 00:01 UTC on 2nd November and finish at 23:59
UTC on 3rd November, call CQ TV60 to attract attention. Suggested centres of
activity are 3.72Mhz, 7.06Mhz, 14.38Mhz, 18.16Mhz, 21.38Mhz, 24.96Mhz,
28.38Mhz on SSB and 3.53Mhz, 7.03Mhz, 10.135Mhz, 14.055Mhz, 18.075Mhz,
21.075Mhz, 24.905Mhz and 28.075Mhz on CW.

Information about the Ariel Radio Group, newsletters and details of the
current GB60BBC operation are available from the group's web site at:-
http://www.xdinet.demon.co.uk/ARG/

Chris Packman G6XDI

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:07 1996
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From: "Rick Miller" <[e-mail]>
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I don't know which navy you're referring to, but...

When I was in the US Navy, my job was to monitor and track foreign vessels.
The Soviets CHANGED CALLSIGNS MONTHLY, ship and shore alike.
I suspect that our navy may do the same, but since I was a "spook" (not a
radioman)
I never got much chance to listen to our own comms.

Mikel Bowlin <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<514es0$[e-mail]>...
> Does anyone have a source for this info ? Mike KF6FLQ
>


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Mike,

There's a publication out that lists all the callsigns for ships, shore
stations, etc., in the U.S.  I can see it in my mind but can't come up
with the title; it's about an 8.5" x 11" format paperback about 2" thick.
EEB in Vienna has one or more on their book shelf.  If I get down there
today I'll send along the title.  Otherwise, you might consider calling
them on their order line and asking about it (703-938-3350).

Hope this helps.

73

Mark
N4EOC
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Subject: U.S. Navy CW Call Signs
>Does anyone have a source for this info ? Mike KF6FLQ

Mike,

The US Navy no longer uses CW.  Neither does the Coast
Guard.  As of September 30 all CW transmissions on DoD
frequencies are prohibited.  This includes MARS stations.

The DoD has become so enamored of computers and digital
communications they have forgotten that computers can be
disabled by an EMP event.  Sending CW by rubbing two wires
together is not part of the electronic order of battle they
paid the think tanks to develop.

The book that lists MARS ship calls is the Shortwave
Directory by Bob Grove.  It is sold by Grove, Universal
Radio, Gilfer and EEB to name a few.  The MARS stations use
either PACTOR or AMTOR modes between the ships and shore
mailboxes.  Other HF comm is encrypted so who cares.


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:10 1996
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From: Andy Burrows <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: U.S. Navy CW Call Signs
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 07:47:56 -0400
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> When I was on board ship in 1945 and 1946, there were no changes in
> U.S. Navy callsigns from time to time.
> NHMB   USS CORVUS  -  AKA-26
> NHML   USS WINSTON -  AKA-94
   ^-----/
These are the International Call Signs, Radio Call Signs Could Change
depending on the Situation or Exercise Int Call Signs do not change

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: U.S. Navy CW Call Signs
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail].([e-mail] (Joseph
[e-mail] (joe) writes:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>>Subject: U.S. Navy CW Call Signs
>>Does anyone have a source for this info ? Mike KF6FLQ
>
>Mike,
>
>The US Navy no longer uses CW.  Neither does the Coast
>Guard.  As of September 30 all CW transmissions on DoD
>frequencies are prohibited.  This includes MARS stations.
>
>The DoD has become so enamored of computers and digital
>communications they have forgotten that computers can be
>disabled by an EMP event.  Sending CW by rubbing two wires
>together is not part of the electronic order of battle they
>paid the think tanks to develop.

And correctly so. Any EMP that puts down the (well protected)
computers beyond immediate repair, would certainly also get the
radios and most if not all of the effective combat power of the
vessel (which is also heavily based on modern electronics). A
modern navy is no longer iron men on wooden ships. If the high
tech goes, the vessel becomes just a haven for survivors,
something for which resources have to be diverted rather than
something which is itself a combat resource.

At the intensity and pace of modern combat, particularly a
combat which has gone nuclear, there are no resources, and
no time, to spare for survivors. Any vessel unable to defend
itself is likely destined for the bottom in very short order.

And the threats against which it must defend itself are ship
killer missiles launched from over 100 miles out, or ship killer
torpedos which swim in from 20 miles out. If the electronics aren't
working (radars, sonars, computers, fire control for the Phalanx,
guidance for the Standard AA missiles, etc), it won't do any good
to beep a bit of Morse, except maybe to tell your comrades a final
goodbye before the next wave of missiles strike or the next torpedo
homes in.

Even if you managed to survive the battle (perhaps by taking the
last hits in an exchange), emitting a CW signal would be like
shouting to the world "here I am, come kill me" to any Elint
receiver in the area, or in orbit. And the next EMP will be from
the missile aimed right down your throat. A CW signal would stand
out in the SS grass like a redwood on the prairie.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:12 1996
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From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Vanity Call Sign Filing Procedures Clarified
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 09:19:39 -0400
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FCC NEWS  Released: September 12, 1996


WIRELESS TELECOMMUNICATIONS BUREAU CLARIFIES
AMATEUR VANITY CALL SIGN FILING PROCEDURES


Filing Gate 2 will open for Amateur Station Vanity call sign requests on
September 23, 1996 (see Public Notice 64756 released August 22, 1996).
The Commission's lockbox contractor in Pittsburgh, PA has been
inundated with inquiries concerning the filing gate and procedures.  All
inquiries concerning Amateur Vanity call sign requests and the filing
procedures should be directed to the Wireless Telecommunications
Bureau's Consumer Assistance Branch in Gettysburg, PA,
toll free [phone].  Do not call the Commission's lockbox
contractor in Pittsburgh, PA.

Applications for vanity call sign requests, as well as other types of
applications, are processed in receipt date order only, thus the time of
delivery within that receipt date has no bearing on the order of
processing
within that receipt date.  An application filed at 12:01 a.m. has the
same
processing priority as an application received at 11:59 p.m. that same
day.
Applications will be processed in the order they are received at the
processor's work station.  The Wireless Telecommunications Bureau
requests that you take this into consideration when delivering your
applications to Pittsburgh.

Again, any inquiries concerning Amateur Vanity call sign Form 610-V
completion or filing procedures should be directed to [phone].


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Shoggoth)
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Subject: Re: WA State Patrol controlling your radios
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Wrong W.A., dude:  Western Australia.  Not Washington.



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
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Subject: Re: WA State Patrol controlling your radios
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In article <51574j$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Goodness gracious, a microsoft employee admits he knows nothing about
>the internet!  An honest statement form Microsoft, isn't that one of
>the signs of the Appocalypse?
>
>In article <01bb9f3e$fa8db400$3e6d379d@edmitch>, [e-mail]
>says...
>>
>>Wayne <[e-mail]> wrote in article
>><[e-mail]>...
>>> This newsgroup is for Western Australia, not WAshington state.  You
>>> won't get much response from here.
>>>
>>> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bruce Miller)
>says:
>>> >
>>> >The Washington State Patrol has proposed the adoption of a
>>> >Washington Administrative Code regarding wireless communications
>>> >systems used by motorists (not necessarly attached to vehicles).
>>
>>Actually, several of the groups are a world-wide forum (but we agree
>that
>>wa.general is probably not us!). Unfortunately there is no Washington
>(WA)
>>State specific online forum.
....

Robert Modenhaur ([e-mail]) never bothered to notice that I was
NOT the original poster. That didn't stop him from bashing me anyway because I

posted that comment from work, where I've posted a grand total of six messages

in 3 1/2 years. But contrary to his statement that I don't know anything about

the Internet, and contrary to his inability to follow the thread of the postin
g
and note that I was REPLYING to someone who had posted to the wrong wa.*
newsgroup and pointing out that it wasn't that big of deal... I will also note

that I know a lot about the Internet as the operator of
www.hamradio-online.com, probably the #1 ham radio web site in the world. I've

also been active on the Internet for about 12 to 13 years, probably longer tha
n
95% of today's net users. Interestingly, we offered an explanation to Robert,
in private but he didn't bother to reply to the email.

We are voluntarily working hard, at our own expense, to promote ham radio usin
g
a classy web site that features genuine content instead of pointers to other
people's web sites containing pointers to .... well you get the picture. We
know we are doing a lot right on the Internet judging from the tens of
thousands of people world wide, in 44 countries, who regularly visit our web
site.

And once again, the proposed law in Washington State, requiring that the State

Patrol certify all mobile radios (receivers, transmitters and transceivers) is

a frightening bureaucratic nightmare. We suspect that the text of the ruling
was probably written by a mindless twit, but who knows? They may use the poorl
y
written and broad law to prohibit scanners, radar receivers and who knows what

else - may be even ham radio? Even if that is not their intent, the ruling is
broad enough that it could lead to that. That's why, per the original post,
many of us have written our state representatives and the State Patrol asking
them to nuke this stupid proposal at their upcoming hearing on October 9th.

------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.hamradio-online.com



From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Patterson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.scouting.misc,rec.scouting.usa
Subject: Webelos desiring ham radio schedule
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 04:09:59 GMT
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I know JOTA is coming up next month, but I have some Webelos who are
working on their communicator badge and their scoutmaster asked if I
would demonstrate ham radio for them. I would like to set up a
schedule with other scouts in the US or any country that the US has a
third party agreement with. Is anyone available at 2345 UTC on
September 23?

Thanks,

Ron
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+   Ron Patterson    WA6VQZ     +      Atascadero, California    CM95qj  +
+     [e-mail]       +        WA6VQZ@W7AZF.#CENCA.CA.USA.NA    +
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Dale Piedfort KB7UB)
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WebSite Updated, Check it out

New Links to:

DX & Contest WebSites
Up Coming DXpeditions
DX Bulletins and Updates
OH2BUA's On line DX Packet Cluster
Vanity Call Signs issued by District
Personal Ham Pages on the Web


If you have any links that you think would
be of interest, drop me e-mail- -Amateur Related
only please.....





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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:18 1996
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From: KD1YV <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 00:22:04 -0300
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THE WESTERN CONNECTICUT HAMFEST
Sponsored by the Candlewood Amateur Radio Association

Just 14 miles from the NY/CT State line!

Sunday, Sept. 15, 1996                      0900-1400
Edmond Town Hall                 Route 6, Newtown, CT
Tables inside                      Tailgating outside
ARRL Sanctioned                    Handicapped Access
Door Prizes                             Ample Parking
Gourmet Fare                            Rain or shine

Talk-in 147.12/.72 PL 141.3

General admission $4.00 at the door (what a deal!)

Tailgating $6.00, inside table reservations $10.00 each, (both
include 1 admission), mail to:
Candlewood Amateur Radio Association, PO BOX 3441, Danbury CT 06813

For more info, phone [phone] or [phone].

Hope to see you all there.
73 de KD1YV
Jim


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:19 1996
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From: "John D. Cook" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: When is the Hosstrader electronics/radio flea market in Rochester NH?
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 20:08:29 -0700
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Can anyone tell me when the Hosstrader electronics/radio flea market is
in Rochester NH this year?

I tried Nut and Volts and then Alta Vista but all I got was some other
fellow asking the same question!

Thanks in advance,
 -John C.

--
Founder of Nashua Robot Builders, small computer/robot club in Nashua
Member of the national lawsuit to repeal the Communications Decency Act.
Happy ferret owner.




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Rice)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
Date: 15 Sep 96 16:29:14 CDT
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In article <511q95$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) w
rites:
> Jari Jokiniemi <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I have often wondered how the general opinion would change if
>>we all had to take the test every two years or so in order to keep our
>>licences. (Like the pilots have to do.)
>
> You'd be locking out those who passed a code test but didn't use the
> code after receiving their license. The number of hams renewing their
> license would drop dramatically.
> KH2PZ / KH6

Jari is also somewhat confused about pilot licensing in the United
States. A pilots license is a 'lifetime' license. True, you must pass
a 'flight review' every two years (among other requirements) in order to
excercise the privileges granted by the license, but you do not loose
the basic license if you fail to do so.

------
John Rice   __|__    K9IJ      |  [e-mail]
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            o/ \o              |
Private Pilot : ASEL, AMEL, IA |  "I speak for myself, not my employer".





From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:21 1996
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Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi) writes:
>
>
>I also do think that if radio amateurs had to take a test every
>few years in order to be allowed to operate the radios, then pretty many of u
s
>would have very different opinions about the cw requirement than now.
>

Jari,

I agree ... I really would love to find out how many of the "keep the
code" folks ... many of whom long ago retired the key in favor of the
mike ... would lose their privleges if they were suddenly called in for
retesting ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
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Bryan King ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Learning CW was how I earned my ticket in 1980 and how I communicated on
: HF for 10 years. If the FCC had recertification tests every 3 years for
: radio amateurs, I'd still pass it at 13 WPM, no problem.  As a matter of
: fact, I think CLASS recertifications are a great idea!!  Test theory and
: code and perhaps introduce some new updated theory at the same time.  What
: better way to keep a pool of skilled technical talent current on the
: latest technology, regulations and theory?

You make a good point, about introducing new theory in recertification
exams.  Perhaps retesting every five years.  With the question pool changing
every four years, require that the recertification exam be taken within one
year of the date that the appropriate question pool changes.

I'm going to take the written exam for Extra on Saturday.  Yes, I read the
ARRL book from cover to cover, and have done several closed-book practice
exams, including three exams that covered all 400+ questions in the pool.
Still, the Extra exam is too easy.  Two of the four answers are utterly
ridiculous, if one has read and understood the material in the book, and
there aren't that many questions where it's difficult to choose the better
of the remaining answers to a given question.  We definitely need a more
difficult exam at the top end, if obtaining an Extra class license is to
continue to be an accomplishment.

73 de Jim - KF6CR


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:24 1996
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From: Rick Perry <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:32:15 -0700
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jari Jokiniemi) writes:
> >
> >
> >I also do think that if radio amateurs had to take a test every
> >few years in order to be allowed to operate the radios, then pretty many of
 us
> >would have very different opinions about the cw requirement than now.
> >
>
> Jari,
>
> I agree ... I really would love to find out how many of the "keep the
> code" folks ... many of whom long ago retired the key in favor of the
> mike ... would lose their privleges if they were suddenly called in for
> retesting ...
>
> Carl - wa6vse
> [e-mail]
Clearly you haven't listened to the CW portion of 40 or 20.  It's as
full as the phone band.  I don't think you would have as many complaints
as you think on retaking the CW portion every 5 years of so to keep your
license at it's current status.  Many would welcome the opportunity.
Once you've got the code down it's with you forever.  A little brush-up
for some, and no problem.


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Who Do You Hear on HF?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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In article <[e-mail]> Steve Eklund <72527.01012@compuserve
.com> writes:
>Steve - KF2TI, NJ wrote:
>With all of the whining you read about 220 being taken away, they forget
>one thing: only part of the band was taken away. At least we still have 3
>Mhz of the band left, but is it getting used? Not in my area. You would
>figure that the whiners will flock to the ham radio stores to buy 220
>equipment to keep the remaining part of the band, but it hasn't happened.
>The worst part about it is that UPS is not even using the lower 2 Mhz. I
>never hear anything on there.

I sure do down here. It isn't UPS, but there are users on those lost
2 MHz. Seems to be mostly low speed encrypted data, though I occasionally
pick up FM voice too. The voice signals don't sound like typical land mobile
radio traffic, I'm not sure what they are or who they are.

The remaining amateur part isn't empty either. We've got a 56 kb repeater
in there, and there are several voice repeaters too. They're not as active
as the 2m or 70cm repeaters, but they're there. During drive times in the
mornings and evenings, there are always some repeaters active on the band.

The new equipment situation is rather grim. The manufacturers who geared
up for the expected sales bonanza that was to follow Novice Enhancement
dropped most of the 1.33m equipment from their lines after that proved
to be a bust. And there's little available commercial surplus to convert
for this band. We've been able to get enough Sinclabs transverters for
our data use (Maple Leaf Communications has Sinclabs' remaining stock).
If you're looking for a good HT or mobile rig for voice use on this band,
the pickings are pretty slim. There is a tri-bander or two, and a couple
of HTs.

If I'm not mistaken, 1.33m is available to amateurs only in North
America, so the vast Japanese home market doesn't offer the buffer
it offers for the Japanese manufacturers of 2m and 70cm radios.
It is a low volume specialty market to them, so we haven't seen
as many feature rich radios for this band as we have for the others.
And that's what a lot of hams seem to want.

Of course we can build our own, but there haven't been many construction
articles in the magazines or in the Handbook for this band. It is sadly
true that few amateurs will tackle completely original projects. I did
whip up a transverter design for 29 MHz->219 MHz (or 222 MHz with just a
crystal change and a couple of tweaks). Due to the expected low volume
demand, however, it probably isn't worthwhile to bring it to market as
a kit. I may submit a construction article to one of the magazines to
see if there is any interest in it.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: Who Do You Hear on HF?
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 18:59:21 GMT
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In article <51k4et$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew D
urigan) writes:

>>Exactly, Drew is a bedwetting wanker who has nothing better to do but bitch
>>and moan and beg for attention.  Which I see 30 responces, including this on
e
>>I suppose.

>Yes.  So what's your point?


>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM

Not to speak for him...but since you dont understand, I will explain his
"point"...

You are a embarrasment, and disgrace to all amatuers.

There...understand now Drew?

Take care all.



Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: Re: Who Do You Hear on HF?
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[e-mail] (Walter R Francis) wrote:
>
>
>On 01-Sep-96 22:02:30, carl <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In <50b6va$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Jim
>>Kehler) writes:
>>>Tim,
>>>    Apparently you don't know Spew. Let me introduce him to you.  The
fact
>>>that he can spell 'HF' amazes most of us.  Asking him to explain
things
>>>about it is over his head.  He can't 'tune in' to the QRP frequencies,
as he
>>>doesn't have a radio. (He hears voices in his head, so I guess he
doesn't
>>>need one). He can't increase his code speed, as he has no code speed
to
>>>increase.   Trying to explain to him how he could enjoy ham radio is
>>>useless.   He doesn't want to enjoy ham radio - he only wants to troll
on
>>>internet.
>
>Exactly, Drew is a bedwetting wanker who has nothing better to do but
bitch
>and moan and beg for attention.  Which I see 30 responces, including
this one
>I suppose.

Yes.  So what's your point?


-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM




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From: [e-mail] (Walter R Francis)
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On 01-Sep-96 22:02:30, carl <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <50b6va$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim
>Kehler) writes:
>>Tim,
>>    Apparently you don't know Spew. Let me introduce him to you.  The fact
>>that he can spell 'HF' amazes most of us.  Asking him to explain things
>>about it is over his head.  He can't 'tune in' to the QRP frequencies, as he
>>doesn't have a radio. (He hears voices in his head, so I guess he doesn't
>>need one). He can't increase his code speed, as he has no code speed to
>>increase.   Trying to explain to him how he could enjoy ham radio is
>>useless.   He doesn't want to enjoy ham radio - he only wants to troll on
>>internet.

Exactly, Drew is a bedwetting wanker who has nothing better to do but bitch
and moan and beg for attention.  Which I see 30 responces, including this one
I suppose.

I've noticed no matter how many times someone says "Just ignore soandso" the
only person that is ignored is the person posting the suggestion!

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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:32 1996
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From: "JRW4" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Yaesu Owners: extraterrestrial frequency!
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Wanna hear aliens -- as in, from outer space?

Well, I found the frequency for you to monitor -- but only if you have a
Yaesu HT.

Punch in 897.25 Mhz -- you'll see what I mean.


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From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert F. Good)
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Subject: Re: Yaesu Owners: extraterrestrial frequency!
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"JRW4" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Wanna hear aliens -- as in, from outer space?
>
>Well, I found the frequency for you to monitor -- but only if you have a
>Yaesu HT.
>
>Punch in 897.25 Mhz -- you'll see what I mean.
>
I don't hear a thing on my FT-50R.  I assume that you are having fun
with the readers of this group.

Bob, AE4XG


From [e-mail] Thu Sep 19 18:19:33 1996
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From: Steve Turner <[e-mail]>
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Robert F. Good wrote:
 >
 > "JRW4" <[e-mail]> wrote:
 >
 > >Wanna hear aliens -- as in, from outer space?
 > >
 > >Well, I found the frequency for you to monitor -- but only if you
have a
 > >Yaesu HT.
 > >
 > >Punch in 897.25 Mhz -- you'll see what I mean.
 > >
 > I don't hear a thing on my FT-50R.  I assume that you are having fun
 > with the readers of this group.
 >
 > Bob, AE4XG


Those DTMF tones play the famous riff from the movie
"Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind".  You can do the
same thing on a telephone by dialing 89725.


--
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:24:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
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Subject: 2m Wide Open in Florida
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As we enjoy our first cold front of the season down here, 2m is wide open
with tropo ducting.

Last night, I was working repeaters 150-200 miles away with my 5-watt HT
and a homemade dipole (made out of a pair of TV "rabbit ears"), about 15
feet in the air.

As of 10:45AM EDT, the band is STILL up.  This one may last for a couple
of days!

-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
 KF4DDM



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:24:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dave Sparks)
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Subject: 2m/440 activity in the Antelope Valley?
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I am contemplating a move to the Antelope Valley
(Palmdale/Lancaster, CA) and am also considering purchasing a new
handheld, but don't know whether to buy a 2m or a 2m/440
dual-bander.

On which bands are the active repeaters in that area?

Also, does anyone have e-mail or snail-mail addresses for any
amateur radio clubs in that area?

Thanks.

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:24:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Pete Soper)
Subject: Re: 4-5 kw Generator Reco
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Hi Fred!

[e-mail] (FRED MCKENZIE) writes:

>     How big a unit does the average home need?  I suppose you could run
>almost everything with 5 or 6 KW.  I decided that it would be better for

Just went 7 days without juice thanks to hurricane Fran. Apart from running
the ham equipment, I want to be able to throw the main service panel breaker t
o
separate me from the power company, throw another switch, pull the cord and
have enough power to run lights and small appliances in the house. I know, how

often do we live through a natural disaster? I've done three in 24 years. So
on that count my plans seem a bit silly. But if I lived down near South
Florida where you do, Fred, this would seem like a straight forward idea :-)

But now you know why I want more than a few hundred watts for the typical
emergency power setup for the ham equipment. I'm going to tie the generator in

with a switch at a point just after the house service panel 240v
breaker that feeds the ham shack, incidently. This way I can throw that breake
r
and flip one more switch and have the whole shack on the generator with no
extension cords or other fiddling. Gotta think up something failsafe in the
way of procedures, though, like putting the generator motor's spark plug under

the circuit breaker lever :-)

>     Does anyone work in a muffler shop?  I have heard of people adapting
>a small automotive muffler for use with a generator.  I think this would

This is exactly the route I'm going. I feel certain that I can make the
Coleman very quiet without robbing power. However:

This just in: There is a Coleman 4kw generator with a Honda engine! Got to hit

Home Depot in the morning for chain link fence rails ($6.67 for 21 foot long
galvanized steel tubes, one of the best deals on the planet). Will report what

I find about this "hybrid".

Two notes about things that I suspect you are familiar with but others may
find useful. Some generators have dinky 1-2 quart fuel tanks. Don't know what
application they're intended for, but providing emergency power for a ham
station or house isn't included :-) The (regular) Coleman 4kw contractor's
generator runs 10 hours with its 5 gallon tank. I suspect the Honda OHV engine
would run longer. Second thing is that folks need to be familiar with the fact

that gasoline breaks down over time unless its treated with a stabilizer. I
heard multiple stories during Field Day this year about neglected generators
with engines completely gunked up because of old gas. I'm told places like
K-Mart sell stabilizer.

My wife and I ate for a week with a Coleman camp stove, incidently. I'm
very fond of that brand at the moment :-)

Regards,
Pete
KS4XG


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Before hooking into your house system, you might want to check with your
local power company about rules/laws or whatever.  I know in this area
they are pretty strict about how the cutover is done.  I guess they have
lost a couple of linemen due to up-line feedback from home brew setups.
Could be a serious liability exposure.

73,
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>
> Watch out for those Coleman generators with Honda engines versus the same si
ze
> all Honda. I looked at one of the Coleman hybrids (3500w) and the engine was
 rated
> at about 5.5hp where the all Honda had a 6.5hp. I may not have the numbers e
xact,
> there is more to a Honda than most people realize.
>
>                _________
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>    Rick         (___)-----X
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My hybrid has a 8 hp Honda, and is rated at 4kw (5kw peak)

Also has the Honda voltage reg.

Again, Cost me $1100 2 years ago

Bert


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From: wb4yuc
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Subject: Re: 4-5 kw Generator Recommendations??
Date: 19 Sep 1996 12:01:21 -0700
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In article <51rlq6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] say
s...
>
>
>>Doyle Souders wrote:
>>>
>>> I am interested in purchasing a 4-5 KW generator for our Radio Club.
>>> Its highest use will most likely be Field Day outings and some other
>>> emergency preparedness events.  My question is which way to go?  The
>>> local Home Depot sells 5KW Coleman generators for around $600 and it
>>> sells Honda 4 KW generators for around $800.  I would like some reports
>>> on pros and cons for various 4-5 KW generators in the $500-$900 price
>>> range.  Any points you could share on picking a reliable generator
>>> would be appreciated.  Obviously it will not be running continuously
>>> but it could have periods where it does run 24-48 hours of near
>>> continuous duty.  Thanks for the inputs.. Doyle KG6MY
>
>From the island of many generators we would definitly recommend the
>Honda.  Quieter, much more reliable than the Coleman.  In the last ten
>years I have seen as many broken Coleman generators as I have pretty
>girls, and we have a BUNCH of pretty girls here.
>
>73, Jim KH2D

You're not limited to those two manufacturers. Onan, Kohler, and Dayton
are other manufacturers.

73,
Bruce, WB4YUC


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From: wb4yuc
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>And don't forget Yamaha and Kawasaki. Both are excellent, and a bit
>cheaper than Honda. IMHO, Coleman generators are the bottom of the
>barrel. Unfortunately, Onan, Kohler, and Dayton low end generators
>are also bottom of the barrel. They *do* offer higher grade (and
>heavier) models, though, while Coleman does not.

Gary,

I have to disagree with you on the Dayton. A freind has a 2kw model.
We have used it for Field Day and local Free Fleas. We use it to power
a commercial coffee maker and some test equipment during the Free Fleas.

These last about 4 hours and we do them twice yearly - for about the last
10 years. The little Dayton has been at all of them. Yes, it is heavy and
somewhat noisy, but it handles everything we have thrown at it. It also
runs very cool, even near its load limit. The regulation is pretty good
considering it has to handle going suddenly from nearly no load to nearly
full load when the coffee maker cranks up.

I am a little skeptical about generators that may be too light. I have
to ask if perhaps the maker is skimping on the alternator by not
providing enough core to prevent saturation and perhaps using
a gauge of wire that is too thin for the power rating.

Gary, you made a comment about trailer mounted generators. You
would prefer deisel. Well, maybe if it weren't for really
bad emergencies, like the aftermath of a hurricane. Gasoline
is more readily available. BTW - I think for a club involved
in emergency communications a trailer mounter generator is the way to
go, they are heads and shoulders above any portable.

The same fellow who has the Dayton also has a trailer mounted 5kw Kohler.
It is big and heavy. The powerplant is a 4 cylinder water cooled 12 hp
Volvo(I think) engine. When we really need serious emergeny power, it is
the cats meow.

This is one of the things you must consider for you club, the type
of service the generator will see. Most portables will require an oil
change every 24-36 hours. They don't take kindly to trying to extend that
period as they don't hold enough oil to withstand the abuse it is put
through.

A water cooled, trailer mounter gererator will run for weeks without
that requirement. Something to think about if you end up in a situation
where resources become scarce.

73,

Bruce, WB4YUC


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 4-5 kw Generator Recommendations??
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In article <520lmq$[e-mail]> wb4yuc writes:
>
>Gary, you made a comment about trailer mounted generators. You
>would prefer deisel. Well, maybe if it weren't for really
>bad emergencies, like the aftermath of a hurricane. Gasoline
>is more readily available. BTW - I think for a club involved
>in emergency communications a trailer mounter generator is the way to
>go, they are heads and shoulders above any portable.

One of the reasons I like diesels is that the fuel can be stored
for long periods. You can't do that with gasoline. So when that
really bad emergency hits you don't have to go looking for fresh
fuel right away.

You can get gas for a gasoline generator from a car, but the
anti-siphoning fillers on newer cars make that hard, and
filling stations have underground tanks which may have been
contaminated by water, and require the power be on to work
their pumps. Diesel can be gotten from any long haul truck,
and their tanks are easier to siphon, or from farm equipment,
or heavy equipment.

A diesel can also run on home heating oil, JP4, kerosene, or
even vegetable oils such as peanut oil, corn oil, or other
cooking oils. They stink a bit, but they work. The diesel also
is usually more fuel efficient, so you don't need so much fuel.
And the diesel is usually more rugged, and usually lasts longer,
than gasoline engines.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:24:56 1996
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From: wb4yuc
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Subject: Re: 4-5 kw Generator Recommendations??
Date: 23 Sep 1996 06:47:00 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says.
..
>
>In article <520lmq$[e-mail]> wb4yuc writes:
>>

>One of the reasons I like diesels is that the fuel can be stored
>for long periods. You can't do that with gasoline. So when that
>really bad emergency hits you don't have to go looking for fresh
>fuel right away.

I think we need to define that "long" period of time.
I have sucessfully stored gasoline for a year. Besides,I would
certainly hope the owner wouldn't just let the generator sit
idle.

Generators need to be tested routinely, an emergency isn't
the time to figure out if it is going to fire up or not.

I don't think the storage issue is really a problem here,
unless the unit were going to sit for more than a year. If so,
other things need to be done to the engine anyway
to prepare it for storage, which includes draining out any
fuel.

Anyone properly prepared will have fresh fuel available,
this should be included in their disaster planning. Being
ready for something isn't seasonal.

>Diesel can be gotten from any long haul truck,

I can't see these guys giving up any of their fuel when they are
expected to haul much needed items into a disaster area, get out
and deliver more ASAP.

>or from farm equipment, or heavy equipment.

Farm equipment isn't real common stuff here, and I don't think
I would want to risk getting arrested while trying to get fuel from a piece
of heavy equipment sitting around somewhere. If the equipment is in use,
again, I don't think that the operators would be willing to share
fuel when they are under orders to move debris and open roads.

>
>A diesel can also run on home heating oil, JP4, kerosene, or
>even vegetable oils such as peanut oil, corn oil, or other
>cooking oils. They stink a bit, but they work. The diesel also
>is usually more fuel efficient, so you don't need so much fuel.
>And the diesel is usually more rugged, and usually lasts longer,
>than gasoline engines.
>

I think most of the above gets to be hair splitting. I'm not
sure any generator owner will want to subject his diesel to
cooking oil.

In my opinion, unless the generator is going to be used to
power a building, which may mean it will sit for years before
being called upon, I would stick with gasoline for a radio
club who will(hopefully) use the generator on a regular basis.

If the club does get a gasoline engined generator and long term storage
becomes a problem, there are simple kits which will convert it to
run on propane, although that is difficult to find also.

Having lived through Andrew, I know that in the end, it was
planning that made the difference. Our radio club made sure that we
not only rotated operators, but provided them with anything
else they needed, including generator supplies. We were in the
fringe are of the strom, so we were able to be an effective
aid.

Something else to consider. All the planning in the world isn't
going to amount to a hill of beans if you end up being directly
in the affected area where there is mass devistation. You will be
too busy trying to survive yourself, much less than aid in any
emergency relief. The best equipment in the world won't do you
any good if it is destroyed or made unservicable by the incident.

A plan to accept outside help needs to be devised as well.
I know this may seem off topic, but it all plays a role in
disaster planning. A generator is just one piece of the puzzle.

Regards,

Bruce, WB4YUC


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From: [e-mail] (David S. Jackson)
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In article <5292v6$[e-mail]>, wb4yuc wrote:


> These things will need to be weighed by the group buying the
> generator. They will need to make the best decision based on how
> they plan to use it. That includes whether or not it should be a
> portable or towed; air cooled or water cooled; desiel, gasoline,
> or even propane. (Crud, for that matter, it could be a wood/coal
> burning steam powered generator.)
>
> I just know from my experiences living here in South Florida,
> I would rather have a gasoline powered generator, mainly
> because gasoline is far more available and I know how to
> maintain the gasoline engine.
>
> If obtaining desiel is not a problem in their area and they have
> someone who understands how to properly maintain a desiel engine,
> go for it. Any system will work, and work well, if properly cared for.
>
> 73,
>
> Bruce, WB4YUC

I will be trying out a trifuel generator soon. The unit comes with a
gasoline tank and a regulator for Natural Gas or Propane. Since I use
propane for the house, I have a large supply. It doesn't get old/stale.

Then for portable use I can use the Camping trailer's propane or gasoline.
I also think that gasoline engines are easier to trouble shoot and repair,
but again that is personnal taste. Diesel is much safer!

The unit is a 6kw, 120/240 v 1ph from WinCo in Minn.

David S. Jackson, KC6SSF
Santa Rosa,CA
(on the old Mac SE!)


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:24:59 1996
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From: Randall Rhea <[e-mail]>
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Another good, quick intro to 6m is

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rhea/sixmeter.htm

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Message sender : [e-mail]



An A/V teacher changed my life yesterday.  For that, I gave him a hug.
Everyone should do that sometime.

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From: Mark Matthews <[e-mail]>
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I have a problem I own a 1968 Cherokee Six PA32-300 we have noise in the
Airplane we
picked up.  We have Pronouced "Click" we hear every few seconds at
regular intervals.
It can be heard by the Nav/Com or DME Radios when everything is turned
off but them and
it seems to be only occuring in the Air.  Mostly Radio frequencies that
end in .00;
.25; .50; or .75 seems to have the problem.  I have King Nav/Coms and a
Narco DME which I just got back from Narco trying to cure the problem.
Any and all Help would be appreciated.
Mark Matthews
[e-mail]
Any and all help and suggestions would be appreciated.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Reed)
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Mark Matthews <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I have a problem I own a 1968 Cherokee Six PA32-300 we have noise in the
>Airplane we
>picked up.  We have Pronouced "Click" we hear every few seconds at
>regular intervals.
>It can be heard by the Nav/Com or DME Radios when everything is turned
>off but them and
>it seems to be only occuring in the Air.  Mostly Radio frequencies that
>end in .00;
>.25; .50; or .75 seems to have the problem.  I have King Nav/Coms and a
>Narco DME which I just got back from Narco trying to cure the problem.
>Any and all Help would be appreciated.
>Mark Matthews
>[e-mail]
>Any and all help and suggestions would be appreciated.

From your description I would deduce the following:

1. The most likely thing is some electrical device that isswitched on
and off automatically.
Try turning of the strobe lights or rotating beacon.
Also make sure the electric fuel pump is off.
Try turning off the transponder and see if it goes away.
If none of that works turn off the master and see if it goes away.

2. Another possible cause is a problem in the audio panel.
(Am assuming that the radios are ok)


Joe Reed
K7CJ
Grumman Cheetah




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From: Bob Doyle <[e-mail]>
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Don't know much about piston aircraft but...
Jets can get this type of interference from "p-static", that is, static
electricity that is built up on the surface of the aircraft as it moves
through the air.  The "click" occurs when an electrical discharge
(spark) occurs.  This discharge can occur between two poorly bonded
sections of aircraft or between the aircraft and the surrounding air.
Static wicks on the trailing edge of the aircraft surfaces are the usual
solution to the latter type of discharge.

This phenomena occurs only in certain type of weather conditions.
Maybe someone can clarify if this happens with aircraft of this size.

Bob

Mark Matthews wrote:
>
> I have a problem I own a 1968 Cherokee Six PA32-300 we have noise in the
> Airplane we
> picked up.  We have Pronouced "Click" we hear every few seconds at
> regular intervals.
> It can be heard by the Nav/Com or DME Radios when everything is turned
> off but them and
> it seems to be only occuring in the Air.  Mostly Radio frequencies that
> end in .00;
> .25; .50; or .75 seems to have the problem.  I have King Nav/Coms and a
> Narco DME which I just got back from Narco trying to cure the problem.
> Any and all Help would be appreciated.
> Mark Matthews
> [e-mail]
> Any and all help and suggestions would be appreciated.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Len Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo phonetics
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 07:14:00 GMT
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GE>From: Geoff Butler <[e-mail]>
GE>Subject: Re: Alpha Bravo phonetics: the quickie version

GE>In article <ejones-1809961248220001@206.80.6.11>, "Earle D. Jones"
GE><[e-mail]> writes
GE>>
GE>>Why did we change from the Able, baker, charlie, etc. to
GE>>Alpha, bravo, charlie, etc.
GE>>
GE>>The changes seemed rather arbitrary.  On the average we added syllables:
GE>>
GE>>Fox to foxtrot
GE>>Nan to November
GE>>Queen to Quebec,
GE>>
GE>>but not in all cases:
GE>>
GE>>George to Golf
GE>>Mike remained Mike.

GE>One obvious reason was to reduce the number of Universal Standard
GE>Phonetic Alphabets.

GE>Alpha Bravo does seem rather well designed. In general, words with
GE>similar vowels in the stressed syllables (a/o or i/e) have differing
GE>numbers of syllables or clearly different vowels elsewhere. The
GE>distinction between the hard vowels (a, o) is dialect-dependent, as is
GE>shown by the frequent thread that asserts that some people pronounce
GE>'caught' and 'marry' identically[1].

The present 'official' phonetic alphabet is based on the NATO phonetic
alphabet adopted by the U.S. military in 1955.  The International Civil
Aviation Organization (English being the airways international language)
adopted it shortly thereafter.  Its development was largely by Test of
comprehensibility by native-language speakers/listeners of NATO member
countries.  It works with most of the other _European_ alphabetic-based
languages but is some problem with variants such as Cyrillic.  It works
not at all with syllabic-based languages unless the speaker/listener
also knows one of the alphabetic-base languages.

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From: [e-mail] (alan auerbach F)
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The principles of the phonetic alphabet are
        -high penetrance (the sound gets through in adverse
         signal/noise ratio environments)
        -high distinguishability (no letter is easy to confuse with another)
        -compatability with speakers of various native languages
        -limited number of syllables (one or two, occasionally three)
        -resistance to clipping (loss of signal of first or occasionally
         last phoneme)

Compare the old ABLE with the new ALPHA and you'll see why the changes.

Al.


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From: [e-mail] (Mark Odegard)
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[posted to alt.usage.english & e-mailed]
On Thu, 19 Sep 1996 16:31:45 -0400, Larry Krakauer <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>Quebec is pronounced (roughly) kay-bec in *French*, but it's usually
>pronounced kwe-bec in *English*.  It would seem better to have chosen
>a word without this ambiguity, such as queen.

I seem to be the one who Henry Churchyards the rule "how they spell it
and/or how they pronounce it is ALWAY CORRECT".

Truckers pronounce it Kay-Beck; hearing kay-beck said in a Bubba
accent speaks volumes about the way the language is actually spoken.
My observation is that when Bubba says kay-beck and when Jean-Marie
says kay-beck, then, it's kay-beck. We have cross-dialectal
confirmation of the *standard* pronunciation.

Now. As to the *actual* Quebecois (i.e., French-Canadian)
pronunciation of "Quebec": I'm not sure. It's somewhere between
/keI'bEk/ and /kE'bek/, with a compromise /k@'bEk/ thrown in. I'd like
to hear from a primarily francophone Quebecois for confirmation or
refutation.


--
Mark Odegard   [e-mail]
  The great orthographical contest has long subsisted between
  etymology and pronunciation. It has been demanded, on one hand,
  that men should write as they speak; but, as it has been shown
  that this conformity never was attained in any language, and
  that it is not more easy to persuade men to agree exactly in
  speaking than in writing, it may be asked, with equal propriety,
  why men do not rather speak as they write.
    -- Samuel Johnson, "The Plan of an English Dictionary" (1747).



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Mark Odegard ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Truckers pronounce it Kay-Beck; hearing kay-beck said in a Bubba
: accent speaks volumes about the way the language is actually spoken.
: My observation is that when Bubba says kay-beck and when Jean-Marie
: says kay-beck, then, it's kay-beck. We have cross-dialectal
: confirmation of the *standard* pronunciation.

  You have confirmation of correct radio procedure. I suspect
  you'll also hear them all saying 'tree' for three.

  d.


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Larry Krakauer wrote:
>
> Fritz Whittington wrote:
>
> : > Why did we change from the Able, baker, charlie, etc. to
> : > Alpha, bravo, charlie, etc.
>
> : Quebec is pronounced as KAY-bec, which seems like a bad choice,
> : since it starts with a sound that suggests the letter "K".
> : However, there just aren't many good choices for "Q", and at
> : least the city and province are well-known.  In quite a few
> : other languages, the sound associated with "Q" is more often
> : like "K".
>
> Quebec is pronounced (roughly) kay-bec in *French*, but it's usually
> pronounced kwe-bec in *English*.  It would seem better to have chosen
> a word without this ambiguity, such as queen.
>
> --
> Larry Krakauer   ([e-mail])

I agree. Also, I think sugar is a better choice for "s". For non english
speaking people, the present "correct" phonetic can be confused for a
"c".

N1MSV
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:13 1996
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[posted to alt.usage.english & e-mailed]
On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 01:24:00 +0100, Geoff Butler
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, "Doug C." <[e-mail]>
>writes
>>Actually... Quebec is pronounced KAY-bec in phonetic English as well as
>>French.   In some areas of western Canada, and the Maritimes
>>(Newfoundland espec.) local dialect of course alters the pronunciation,
>>ranging from QWE-bec, to KEY-bec.  However Quebec is CORRECTLY
>>pronounced KAY-bec in English.

>Would you please be a smidgin (or even a full-sized smidge) more precise
>in what you mean by 'English'. Canadian English? And what on earth is
>'phonetic English'? And why isn't 'phonetic' spelt with an 'f'?

I've offered /'keI bEk/, /'kE bEk/, even /'k@ bEk/. This of course is
with a midwesterny-Californian American English "accent".

For those unfamiliar with the version of the IPA we use here on a.u.e,
here's a translation:

[eI] is the "ei" in "eight".
[E] is the "e" in "end".
[@] is the schwa, the "u" in "but".

To this, there is the "w" pronunciation, /'kw@ bEk/ or /'kweI bek/,
and (probably) the one everyone will stigmatize, /'kwi bek/ ([i] is
"long e", as in "queen"), wherever the stress is put.

I notice with myself at least that both syllables are stressed
approximately the same, and if there really is stress, it's a small
one on the first syllable.

For myself, /'kE bEk/ seems closest to what I do, roughly "keh-beck",
with the first vowel being that in "Ken", "keg", or "kept".
--
Mark Odegard   [e-mail]
  The great orthographical contest has long subsisted between
  etymology and pronunciation. It has been demanded, on one hand,
  that men should write as they speak; but, as it has been shown
  that this conformity never was attained in any language, and
  that it is not more easy to persuade men to agree exactly in
  speaking than in writing, it may be asked, with equal propriety,
  why men do not rather speak as they write.
    -- Samuel Johnson, "The Plan of an English Dictionary" (1747).



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Reposting article removed by rogue canceller.

Larry Krakauer wrote:
>
> Fritz Whittington wrote:
>
> : > Why did we change from the Able, baker, charlie, etc. to
> : > Alpha, bravo, charlie, etc.
>
> : Quebec is pronounced as KAY-bec, which seems like a bad choice,
> : since it starts with a sound that suggests the letter "K".
> : However, there just aren't many good choices for "Q", and at
> : least the city and province are well-known.  In quite a few
> : other languages, the sound associated with "Q" is more often
> : like "K".
>
> Quebec is pronounced (roughly) kay-bec in *French*, but it's usually
> pronounced kwe-bec in *English*.  It would seem better to have chosen
> a word without this ambiguity, such as queen.
>
> --
> Larry Krakauer   ([e-mail])

I agree. Also, I think sugar is a better choice for "s". For non english
speaking people, the present "correct" phonetic can be confused for a
"c".

N1MSV
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:17 1996
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Mark Odegard wrote:
: I've offered /'keI bEk/, /'kE bEk/, even /'k@ bEk/. This of course is
: with a midwesterny-Californian American English "accent".

: For those unfamiliar with the version of the IPA we use here on a.u.e,
: here's a translation:

: [eI] is the "ei" in "eight".
: [E] is the "e" in "end".
: [@] is the schwa, the "u" in "but".

: To this, there is the "w" pronunciation, /'kw@ bEk/ or /'kweI bek/,
: and (probably) the one everyone will stigmatize, /'kwi bek/ ([i] is
: "long e", as in "queen"), wherever the stress is put.
 ....
: For myself, /'kE bEk/ seems closest to what I do, roughly "keh-beck",
: with the first vowel being that in "Ken", "keg", or "kept".

In the 4 out of 4 US dictionaries I've looked at, the "w" pronunciation
(in one variant or another) is listed as the standard English pronunciation,
and some variant of /keI bEk/ is listed as the French.

My question is, where does /'kE bEk/ come from?  It's not the French
pronounciation, because there's an accent aigu over the first "e":

   In ISO-8859 characters:  QuΘbec
         ASCII convention:  Que'bec

Thus the first "e" sound is a French phoneme that doesn't exist in
English at all.  It's the French version of "ay", as in "day", but
it is short and pure, so it's NOT /eI/, the English diphthong version
at all.  But certainly, if you're trying to mimic the French
pronunciation with English phonemes, /keI bEk/ is MUCH better than
/kE bEk/.  So:  where did THAT pronunciation come from?

--
Larry Krakauer   ([e-mail])


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:19 1996
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Jim Vecchiola wrote:
>
> Our ham radio group, the South Jersey Radio Association, is planning on
> conducting a Novice/Tech-Plus class this fall and winter.  I wonder if any
> hams out there are aware of or have used any shareware for code instruction
> and practice.  We have a number of programs available, but they are not
> considered shareware.  We would like to make copies on disk to give to each
> class member to study code our their own.
>
> Any comments?  Please reply here on the newsgroup.
>
> 73
>
> KR2T

Jim,

Try my Shareware Morse Code program, International Morse Code Processor
(IMCPW311.ZIP), at

   http://www.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/win3/ham/imcpw311.zip


Below are its major features:

Morse code tutor for Windows 3.1 & Windows 95. Excellent for learning
and maintaining one's Morse code skills. Provides code speed of 3-50 wpm
and character speed of 10-50 wpm for Farnsworth code. Includes
comprehensive help facility, main menu and popup menu, and eleven code
practice lessons. Fully customizable from the Options menu. Sound card
not required. Requires 692K of free hard disk.

73,
Lindsay
WA4ISZ


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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Garrett)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Anyone use a Part 15 FM Transmitter??
Date: 22 Sep 1996 14:01:08 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] ("Paul Christenson [N3EOP]") says:

>dwh wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>   I am looking to hear from tech's that have experimented with the
>> Part 15 FM Transmitters for broadcasting.    I was thinking about
>> getting one of the Ramsey Kits to play with.  Has anyone had any luck
>> with range and etc..on these low power tx'er?
>
>If you plan on sending in stereo, be sure to get one that uses a crystal
>for the stereo pilot tone.  That is a critical frequency setting.  My
>friend had an early one (may have been Ramsey) that used a trimmer cap
>for setting the pilot tone frequency.  The radio worked fine and sounded
>good in mono, but we couldn't keep it in stereo.  Others that have built
>the crystal controlled transmitters reported no problems at all.
>
>--
You might have your friend call Ramsey if he does have one of the early
FM 10's.  Ramsey offered a upgrade kit at no cost at one time for these
early units.  I had one and although I did not have the problems with
the stereo pilot like your friend, I did have a lot of noise that the
crystal mod cleared up.
Ramsey also offers a processor now for their stereo units.  Unfortunatly
I cannot offer much info on how well it works.
--
Mark Garrett   [e-mail]
               KA9SZX @ N9LNQ.#ECIL.IL.USA.NOAM


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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB065
ARLB065 Gate 2 like a lottery

ZCZC AG45
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 65  ARLB065
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 26, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB065
ARLB065 Gate 2 like a lottery

September 23, 1996, was a momentous day for the thousands of FCC
Extra Class licensees who decided to enter what amounts to a call
sign lottery--otherwise known as Gate 2 of the FCC's vanity call
sign program. To paraphrase the old saw, you pays your 30 dollars
and takes your chances. But, patience. Don't be surprised if that
license bearing the new call sign doesn't show up for two to three
weeks or longer, even if your Form 610V was among the first to
arrive at the FCC bank contractor's doorstep.

Some applicants--perhaps many--labored under the misconception that
the earlier they got their Form 610V in to the Pittsburgh drop box
(for Mellon Bank, the FCC's fiscal agent), the better their chances
of getting their first choice. T'ain't so. According to ARRL/VEC
Manager Bart Jahnke, KB9NM, the FCC says it won't grant any
applications until all applications (electronic or hard-copy) have
been received. ''What this means is all applications first will be
entered into one big queue in no particular order in the FCC's
computer,'' he said. Electronic filers using the system that the FCC
inaugurated on September 23 stand the same chances as paper filers
in the call sign assignment process, Jahnke emphasized. The FCC's
on-line filing system does not yet permit on-line payment, so
electronic filers still had to physically send their payments to the
FCC's drop box in Pittsburgh, although the box was a different one
than for paper applications with payment attached.

Jahnke explains that no application will carry a time of receipt,
and everything that showed up in the correct Post Office box between
12:01 AM on Saturday, September 21, and 12:59 PM on Monday,
September 23, will be considered day-one receipts and will go into
the computer as such. The FCC says it won't start to grant new call
signs until all applications for a given day are entered--whether
they were filed on paper or electronically. When the FCC starts
granting new call sign requests, they will be done in random order,
so it could be a few weeks before your application is granted.

''Think of it as a lottery drawing,'' Jahnke said. ''The (FCC
computer) 'arm' will reach in and grab applications until the queue
is empty.''

Just how many Gate 2 applications the FCC ultimately will receive is
a matter of speculation. Original FCC plans called for running off
25,000 Form 610V copies for the entire vanity program. Later, the
Commission upped the tally by nearly a factor of 10. Jahnke said the
ARRL alone has distributed up to 20,000 vanity call sign application
packages, including direct replies to SASEs, electronic requests and
distributions at hamfests and conventions.
NNNN
/EX


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SB QST @ ARL $ARLB067
ARLB067 MARS to drop all CW nets

ZCZC AG47
QST de W1AW
ARRL Bulletin 67  ARLB067
From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 27, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB067
ARLB067 MARS to drop all CW nets

All CW nets and other CW activity in the Military Affiliate Radio
System (MARS) have been ordered to cease operation effective October
1, 1996. After that time, no CW nets or other CW activity will be
allowed on any DOD MARS frequencies. A final MARS CW message will be
transmitted simultaneously on Army, Navy and Air Force MARS
frequencies at 1300, 1530 and 1700 UTC on September 30. MARS members
may earn a certificate for correct copy of the final message.
NNNN
/EX


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SB PROP @ ARL $ARLP040
ARLP040 Propagation de KT7H

ZCZC AP60
QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 40  ARLP040
From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  September 27, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP040
ARLP040 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity remains low, and in fact there were no visible
sunspots over the past week.  Average sunspot number is zero this
week, down from 1.6 of last week.  Solar flux was actually up
slightly, from 67.8 to 69.6.  Every day the solar flux was lower
than the 71 average for the previous 90 days.

Geomagnetic conditions were active over the past two weeks.  It was
the worst on September 20, when the A index was 37 and the K index
was five for half of the day.

Geomagnetic disturbances are expected to slack off through the end
of the month, and the A index should be below 10 from October 2 to
6.  Solar flux should remain flat near 70 until the end of the
month, then dip down slightly until mid October, Look for recurring
disturbances around October 7 to 8, although it should not be as bad
as it was over the past two weeks.

Sunspot Numbers for September 19 through 25 were 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
and 0, with a mean of 0.  10.7 cm flux was 69.2, 69.2, 69.8, 68.6,
69.9, 70 and 70.8, with a mean of 69.6.
NNNN
/EX


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bry)
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Subject: Re: ARRIVED! (was BULLETIN: 14 Year Old Sailor Not Heard in 3 Weeks
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) whistled a happy tune like:

|>Thomas G. McWilliams <[e-mail]> wrote:
|>>Ed Mitchell ([e-mail]) wrote:

|>>: 14 year old Subaru Takahashi is making a solo crossing of the Pacific
Ocean
|>>: from Japan to the United States - in a 30 foot yacht. According to Masa

|>>: Sakamoto, KN6RJ, Subaru, who's call sign is JH0YCG, has not been heard
since
|>>: August 18th.

|>>Most probably, Master Subaru sleeps with the fishes.
|>>Talking to a dead man on ham radio--now that would be some DX!
|>>But what a great QSL card . . .

|>If it had been your son on that boat, Tom, would you have still written
|>those same words?

|>Happily, young Subaru sailed into San Francisco yesterday. Engine
|>trouble prevented him from charging his batteries, thus the reason
|>for no communications.

|>Jeff KH2PZ / KH6

Jeff, I hear that those Subaru engines ARE a problem if you put them in the
water! Now what the heck does this have to do with homebrew radios?

Brian Carling, AF4K / G3XLQ
[e-mail]
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry = MEGALIST + HOCKEY + HAM RADIO = Bry's Page!



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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) writes:

>No, AX25 serves a real purpose. It forms the MAC (Media Access Control)
>layer for the upper layers. Here are some of the things it does.

I'll re-order these slightly, though keep the same numbers:

>1) It provides the CS part of CSMA by holding off transmission when
>   another carrier is sensed on the channel.
>
>3) It provides the Txd to handle transmitter and receiver settling times.
>
>4) It provides a way to avoid repeated collisions through its p-persist
>   and slottime parameters.

But these are channel-access issues;  the radios and low-level
interfaces deal with this.  At this point, the packet is yet
another bag-o-bits to squeeze out the radio and nothing more.

>2) It provides the leading flags needed to synchronize the HDLC clocks.
>
>7) It offers a checksum for initial packet validation, thus minimizing
>   the CPU time required to discard a faulty packet. (Otherwise the
>   packet would have to traverse layers all the way up to TCP before
>   being validated.)
>
>8) It also offers the ability to discard packets which aren't addressed
>   to the hardware address (call sign) of your station, again reducing
>   wasted CPU time.

Technically, I suppose this is correct since the AX.25 specifications go
on about HDLC and the sort.  But HDLC is almost a channel thing too --
just another way of recognizing that a packet is there.

>5) It provides the hardware addresses in its header to which logical
>   IP addresses are mapped (via ARP). (Hardware and logical addresses
>   must be separate if multiple protocols are to be supported.)
>
>6) Its PID byte allows multiple higher level protocols to co-exist
>   to/from the same hosts, simultaneously.

When you get down to it, this is really *all* that wrapping an AX.25 envelope
around IP packets does.

Well, that, and in the United States, keeping millions of hams out of jail. :-
)

>[VC mode] [...] I'd suggest its use be avoided today.

I'd go farther and suggest that use of UI AX.25 frames ought to be avoided.
This because the UI frames are not acknowledged or re-transmitted, etc, one
is implicitly depending on the higher level protocols (eg, TCP) to perform
these functions.

This is a mistake, as anyone who has tried to run TCP over a non-outstanding
AX.25 radio link knows all too well -- TCP stands a good chance of backing
off to infinity or two minutes (whichever is shorter), and throughput drops
to almost zero.  This is not a bug in TCP, but rather a TCP design feature
(good behaviour on congested networks) that conflicts badly with typical
amateur radio reality.

[Actually, it is not limited to amateur radio -- other wireless networks suffe
r
the same problem.  For one proposed, but alas not too useful, solution to
this call up altavista and do a search on "Snoop Protocol".]

IMHO what is needed is a new link-layer that provides:

        a) items (5) and (6), given above.

        b) non-connectionless, low-overhead, frame retransmission

        c) some measure of FEC to keep (b) from being invoked often.

        d) anti-HTS -- how many more years must the chaos continue??

        e) slim-and-trim headers -- bit-hack to the extreme (though within
           reason), so the protocol can be used relatively painlessly on
           on both slow-speed and very high-speed channels.

and maybe,

        f) zlib data compression (dictionary generation/selection would
           be an interesting problem).

Since this here newsgroup is intended as a forum on miscellaneous digital
issues in amateur radio, perhaps some discussion on this will ensue?
--
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:

>VC mode, IE AX25 connected mode, basically duplicates the TCP transport
>function, and is usually just an undesirable overhead in a network where
>all switches support TCP/IP.

Note that X.25 does it the same way, and the ISO folks also tend to
have connection-oriented service repeated at each and every level.

Of course, today it is considered inefficient.  But it certainly wasn't
an amateur invention.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
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In article <525i9h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul KeinΣnen) writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>>No, AX25 serves a real purpose. It forms the MAC (Media Access Control)
>>layer for the upper layers. Here are some of the things it does.
>
>>1) It provides the CS part of CSMA by holding off transmission when
>>   another carrier is sensed on the channel.
>
>The attempt to emulate the CSMA/CD of Ethernet does not work very well
>in practice. The CD (Collision Detect) is not even attempted due to
>simplex radios. In Ethernet, the collision is immediately detected and
>the random wait can start immediately. In AX.25, you have to wait for
>the timeout of the missing Ack. The CS (Carrier Sense) part does not
>work very well due to the hidden transmitter problem, thus, the access
>control part falls apart very badly. I tried to introduce some simple
>questions about the hidden transmitter problem into the Novice and
>Communicator class question pool, which is under construction here in
>Finland, but the questions were rejected as too complicated :-)

The CS part works just fine if you deal with the hidden transmitter
problem, *which you should*. The easiest topology to do that is a
digital repeater for the LAN. CD will even work if the users are
duplex too, though that isn't the usual case. CD is nice, but it
isn't nearly as important as CS. And you can make CS work. Trunks
between LANs should be engineered to be non-contending, so the
problem doesn't even arise there.

>>2) It provides the leading flags needed to synchronize the HDLC clocks.
>
>>3) It provides the Txd to handle transmitter and receiver settling times.
>
>The Txd and the lack of real collision detect drastically drops the
>throughput of a channel.

Txd and flags are needed on any shared channel. There's no way to keep
the HDLC clocks of a group of stations synchronized to each other tightly
enough to not require a burst of flags at the start of a particular
station's transmission to regain synchronization at the receiving station.
And on any shared channel, transmitters have to be turned on and off in
order to allow other stations to use the channel. That implies a settling
time at key up which the protocol must allow for by delaying start of
data transmission. CD is not essential if the network properly allows
CS. The window of vulnerability to collisions is narrowed dramatically
in a properly engineered network which allows CS to work, and which
employ's the p-persist mechanism to reduce to negligible the chance
of repeated collisions in those relatively rare cases where two stations
key up at exactly the same time.

>>4) It provides a way to avoid repeated collisions through its p-persist
>>   and slottime parameters.
>
>If all stations could hear each other.

If they can't, *FIX THE PROBLEM*! If you have an RF problem, fix *IT*!
Don't go off and fix something else which isn't broken. The packet
protocol is intended to allow sharing of an RF channel, but it is
*not* intended to compensate for poor RF path engineering.

If you have a hidden transmitter on your LAN, find the offending HT,
take it to a crossroads at midnight, and drive a wooden stake through
its black heart.

Or alternatively, if you can't rid the channel of idiots inappropriately
trying to use HTs for packet, then install a digital repeater so that
they *can* be heard by all the other stations on the LAN anyway.

This is an RF engineering issue, no different from the one voice users
face, and the proper way to solve it is the same way voice users do.
If you must run simplex, require stations to be adequate to actually
be heard by all the other stations. Otherwise, put in a repeater so that
they can be heard anyway. It's that simple.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Alex VonYonkers  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>But when they can-t (sic) use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>there in no (sic) much incentive to build new infrastructures
>on top of the aging ALOHA.

"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.
KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (cathryn)
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In article <51p8oe$[e-mail]>, Alex VonYonkers wrote:
>next generation of HAMS. We need to grow the previousely
>stated %2 of REAL Amateurs to as much possible. But
>when they can-t use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>there in no much incentive to build new infrastructures
>on top of the aging ALOHA.

I tend to agree with this.  My opinion is that the 'no business
' rule on ham radio is overly stringently defined.  I don't
want to see commercial businesses on the ham bands, but I think
some lightening up would allow us to do more cool stuff.
I've heard so much anal retentive rules lawyering on ham radio
to make me comatose.

>We need the equivalent of the IBM to generate and build
>universal standars and hardware and we need the equivalent
>of Microsoft to help us be better users of the system.

I see the lack of standards and of cool new stuff as an
opportunity more than a problem.  I think the problem is
more organizational.  If you do a new communication technology
you need more people doing it.  Know what I mean?  Who wants
to build a 110K baud packet if there's no one else to talk to.

Most exotic ham radio technology has to take place on microwaves
where the bandwidth is, so it's even more important to have
a buddy close by who you can work with.  I don't think it takes
that many.  I guess if you have 4 or 5 people doing say, ATV or
high speed packet in an area once a week, then you could get
others to start building boards.

I'm not an expert on what it takes on the radio side, but it seems
to me that the problem is mainly getting the bandwidth.  If we
had a transciever that was pretty much like any other box we have
now, but could transmit signals of higher bandwidth, wouldn't that
provide a bedrock for all kinds of interesting experimentation.




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues ++
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In article <[e-mail]> cathryn@jung
levision.junglevision.com (cathryn) writes:
>In article <51p8oe$[e-mail]>, Alex VonYonkers wrote:
>>next generation of HAMS. We need to grow the previousely
>>stated %2 of REAL Amateurs to as much possible. But
>>when they can-t use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>>there in no much incentive to build new infrastructures
>>on top of the aging ALOHA.
>
>I tend to agree with this.  My opinion is that the 'no business
>' rule on ham radio is overly stringently defined.  I don't
>want to see commercial businesses on the ham bands, but I think
>some lightening up would allow us to do more cool stuff.
>I've heard so much anal retentive rules lawyering on ham radio
>to make me comatose.

The FCC has recently relaxed the content rules. I'm satisfied
with the new rules. They couldn't be much more free without
having to allow for profit business activity on the amateur
bands.

>>We need the equivalent of the IBM to generate and build
>>universal standars and hardware and we need the equivalent
>>of Microsoft to help us be better users of the system.
>
>I see the lack of standards and of cool new stuff as an
>opportunity more than a problem.  I think the problem is
>more organizational.  If you do a new communication technology
>you need more people doing it.  Know what I mean?  Who wants
>to build a 110K baud packet if there's no one else to talk to.

Bingo! We do *not* need an IBM ramming a crippled architecture
down our throats, and we do *not* need a Microsloth foisting
bloated and inefficient software down our throats, GUI GUI GAH!
The consequence of setting standards too early is that we're left
dealing with legacy systems and hardware and software that has to
be backward compatible for decades. That kind of thing we do not
need. Digital radio is still rapidly evolving. We do not want to
shackle it to legacy standards too early.

People are the critical resource. That's dead on the money.
Networking is 90% a people organizational effort and 10% a
technical development effort. Both are necessary, of course,
but without a critical mass of users, hardware development
alone is of little use.

>Most exotic ham radio technology has to take place on microwaves
>where the bandwidth is, so it's even more important to have
>a buddy close by who you can work with.  I don't think it takes
>that many.  I guess if you have 4 or 5 people doing say, ATV or
>high speed packet in an area once a week, then you could get
>others to start building boards.
>
>I'm not an expert on what it takes on the radio side, but it seems
>to me that the problem is mainly getting the bandwidth.  If we
>had a transciever that was pretty much like any other box we have
>now, but could transmit signals of higher bandwidth, wouldn't that
>provide a bedrock for all kinds of interesting experimentation.

I think the really exotic stuff will come on HF. That's the most
challenging radio environment. In terms of raw speed, the microwave
bands are where it is at, but speed is easy in a strong signal
gaussian noise environment like point to point microwave. There
is very little which is challenging there. It is point and shoot.

I think that the RF front end and the digital back end have to
be quite tightly coupled for best performance. Thus I think that
RF modems rather than "digital ready" radios are the direction
we need to take. Certainly we can do generic I/Q transmitters,
but generic I/Q *receivers* for high rate data are quite a different
thing.  We still need analog filters at an IF tailored for the
particular signal design to get the performance we need for high
rate signals.

For the lower rates possible at HF, DSP already allows us to
directly process the I/Q signals, but not yet for high rate
modulations. Economical DSP is sneaking up on 56 kb, and I
would expect that to be practical shortly, but T1 and above,
that's going to be a while. So we'll have to brute force that
the old fashioned way for quite a while longer. Fortunately,
that's pretty easy, and we have bandwidth to burn at the
microwaves. We can even use plain old wide shift FSK.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:42 1996
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>In article <51pf8j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) w
rites:
>>"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.
>>KH2PZ
>
>Why am I not surprised? Aloha is a channel sharing technique first
>developed by ARPA in the 1970s, and is used in VHF amateur packet
>networks. Aloha is a simple technique to implement, but offers only
>20% of a fully loaded channel's capacity before congestive collapse
>sets in. It is thus well suited to simple low loading networks, but
>fails when network loading increases above the critical threshold.
>

Actually Gary, as I pointed out to Jeff in my reply to his rediculous
comment, ALOHA was developed at the U of Hawaii and first used to link
computers between the islands on a UHF link ... seems to me the first
CPUs were PDP-8s if memory serves me correctly.

Jeff either:

a) is compeletely unaware of the history of wireless digital networking,

or

b) trolling again, since HIS domain is <hawaii.edu>

I'm not sure which of the above I'd put my money on, but past history
causes me to lean towards "a" ...

73,
Carl - wa6vse
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:44 1996
From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
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In article <527oj5$[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>Alex VonYonkers  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>>>But when they can-t (sic) use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>>>>there in no (sic) much incentive to build new infrastructures
>>>>on top of the aging ALOHA.
>
>>>"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.
>
>>That's a hoot.  Norman Abramson at the University of Hawaii (ever
>>heard of that place?)
>
>Oh, you mean that seven-campus system with 45,000 students and 2000 faculty?

Well, I've never even been to Hawaii and I know about ALOHA, so
you can kindly save the excuses.

>>developed something called ALOHA in the 1970s,
>>which really was the original packet radio network.
>>If you're interested in making informed comments on the topic,
>>I suspect your library at the school there has plenty of info,
>>probably even all of the papers that were published.
>
>Not interested at all. What interests me are HF modes in which real-
>time two-way communications can take place.

If I read you correctly, you're not interested in making informed
comments about packet radio.  Therefore, it probably is a waste of
time to even try to have a discussion with you.  However, packet is
a perfectly viable mode for real-time two-way communications - I've
done it several times myself.

>What's the average delivery time for a packet message to go from
>originator to addressee, say between the East and West Coasts?

I dunno.  I know that when I connect to the East coast from the West
coast on packet, there's no more delay than when I work the East
coast on CW, which is an apples to apples comparison.  How long does
it take the automated CW nets to send messages? ;-)

Never mind, since you're not interested in making informed comments
on the topic.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Rich McAllister)
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In article <527oj5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wr
ites:

> Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>Alex VonYonkers  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>>on top of the aging ALOHA.
> >>"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.
> >That's a hoot.  Norman Abramson at the University of Hawaii (ever
> >heard of that place?)
> >developed something called ALOHA in the 1970s,

>
> Oh, you mean that seven-campus system with 45,000 students and 2000 faculty?
>

Yeah, that's why they developed it, they needed a way for the students
and faculty on the other islands to use the computer on Oahu. (I think
Gary's wrong here, and ARPA had nothing to do with it -- UofH built it
because they *needed* it.)

> Not interested at all. What interests me are HF modes in which real-
> time two-way communications can take place.

Anybody know what frequencies the original AlohaNet used?  I had
a copy of the paper, but I don't seem to be able to find it.
[Abramson, N.  The Aloha system.  AFIPS Conf. Proc., Vol. 37, 1970
FJCC, AFIPS Press, Montvale, NJ, pp. 281-285.]
AlohaNet certainly did real-time two-way communications, and I wonder
if they used HF?  I don't believe all the Hawaiian islands are
line of sight from each other.
--
Rich McAllister, KO6CL, [e-mail]


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Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jeffrey Herman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Alex VonYonkers  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>>But when they can-t (sic) use THEIR equipment to call in for a pizza
>>>there in no (sic) much incentive to build new infrastructures
>>>on top of the aging ALOHA.

>>"Aging hello"? Never heard of that before.

>That's a hoot.  Norman Abramson at the University of Hawaii (ever
>heard of that place?)

Oh, you mean that seven-campus system with 45,000 students and 2000 faculty?

>developed something called ALOHA in the 1970s,
>which really was the original packet radio network.
>If you're interested in making informed comments on the topic,
>I suspect your library at the school there has plenty of info,
>probably even all of the papers that were published.

Not interested at all. What interests me are HF modes in which real-
time two-way communications can take place.

What's the average delivery time for a packet message to go from
originator to addressee, say between the East and West Coasts?

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard E Stealey)
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Subject: Re: Boatanchors newsgroup?
Date: 27 Sep 1996 14:11:00 GMT
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KE4WBW ([e-mail]) wrote:
:   Does anyone have any information on the boatanchors newsgroup or where to
: vote on its creation? I see a post now and then but never any real
: discussions.

Discussions are held in the news.groups newsgroup.  Users of this
newsgroup specifically asked (properly so) that discussion take place
there.
We are past the discussion phase however, and into the voting phase.
I just posted the Call For Votes again to this newsgroup.  Look for a
Subject line with CFV in it.  It is complete and contains instructions for
how to vote.

Rick   KT2Q


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joel E. Davis)
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In article <51efhs$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Gerald Sch
mitt ) writes:
>From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
>Subject: Re: BULLETIN: 14 Year Old Sailor Not Heard in 3 Weeks
>Date: 14 Sep 1996 14:30:20 GMT

>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Thomas G. McWilliams)
>writes:
>>
>>Ed Mitchell ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: 14 year old Subaru Takahashi is making a solo crossing of the
>Pacific Ocean
>>: from Japan to the United States - in a 30 foot yacht. According to
>Masa
>>: Sakamoto, KN6RJ, Subaru, who's call sign is JH0YCG, has not been
>heard since
>>: August 18th.
>>
>>Most probably, Master Subaru sleeps with the fishes.
>>Talking to a dead man on ham radio--now that would be some DX!
>>But what a great QSL card . . .
>>

>Boy Tom you are some piece of work; the guys asks for help and this is
>what you come up with. What ever happened to the amateur service
>creedo. You know Sakamoto san's family could just easily read this,
>talk about ugly Americans. You sir are an embarassment to the hobby.

The saying is "..takes all kinds" .Is'nt that a shame?




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>>Ron Katz wrote:

>>> HAY! Brand new CB linear amps in box & warrenty.
>>> 100 watt           $100.00
>>> 300 watt           $150.00
>>> 600 watt           $300.00
>>> 1000 watt          $500.00
>>> 2000 watt          $700.00
>>> 5000 watt          enquire
>>> CB radios all kinds $35 & up
>>> email me for a full catalogue of radio stuff.
>>I am interested. Please mail me a list!!!!!!!! Do you have mobile
>>antennas also?????????
>>BGV



Still think unlicensed people should be able to buy transmitters??????

DT AC6TG




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From: [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto, N3KFN)
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Subject: Re: Cheapest way to make up QSL cards?
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On Wed, 25 Sep 1996 22:03:45 GMT, [e-mail] (charles
copeland) wrote:

What I did for a while, was to design a good looking card using a DTP
program, like Page Maker.  I "cut and pasted" the finished card so 4
of them fit on a 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper.  They fit that way if
you put them on the page sideways, in "landscape" mode.  I then went
to the local print shop in the area, that has a super duper copy
machine, and they print any quantity I want for a nickle a page, on
color postcard stock.  Their copy machine is capable of handling
postcard stock.  I don't know if all of them are.  I had to cut them
out myself, but with a paper cutter, it's a piece of cake.  Ask
around... Someone you know has got to own a paper cutter.  This method
cost me 1-1/4 cents per card.  I think the cost is 10 cents per copy
now, but still can't beat that. . .

>After talking to Kinko's, I'm quit shocked what they want to make 3X5
>QSL cards. A mininum of 100 at 41 cents EACH! Price drops to 18 cents
>each for 1000 ... thats $181!
>
>I bought some heavy duty paper, but dread cutting out these things.
>
>Any Ideas?
>

73 es DX,
Mike D'Alto, N3KFN http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1641


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:53 1996
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From: Ron in Seattle <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Code training tapes wanted
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:25:14 -0700
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Looking to buy a used set of beginning code up to 13 wpm audio tapes or
software.
--
From the desk of Ron in Seattle! KC7SQC
 Visit Seattle Counseling Information:
         http://pobox.com/~sci


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Lyons)
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Datagram vs Connected (was: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:07:01 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
 writes:

>Hop by hop acknowledgements could have another value if they
>were communicated to the network as a measure of link quality,
>however. That way the network routers could divert packets
>around that faulty path and flag it for maintenence attention.
>(Netrom addresses this issue after a fashion.)

My version of the NET software measures the link quality using an
independent mechanism (periodic transmission of a sequence-numbered
datagram and bookkeeping of the missing sequence numbers to find the
percentage of successfull transmissions.  It dynamically switches
between the use of UI frames and an AX.25 VC based on the outcome of
this measurement, independently for each hop in the network.

Thus, when the link works well it uses UI frames for efficiency, when
there is a high loss rate it switches back to VC to get something trough.

And yes, it detects re-transmitted TCP segments before putting them
in the VC queue, so that there won't be a TCP re-transmission queued
before the first attempt had a chance to go to the other side.
(also in the intermediate routers)


So, it IS possible to arrive at a well working compromise solution, it
just requires a bit more attention.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:56 1996
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From: Phil Karn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Datagram vs Connected (was: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:54:46 -0700
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Gary Coffman wrote:

> I hear what you're saying, Brian. But ARQ is a *backup* procedure,
> and like any backup procedure, you hope you never need it, and do
> everything you can to avoid needing it. Those "aggressive" VC link
> retries just clog the channel. The better solution is to deal with
> the underlying physical layer problem.

Yes. ARQ is indeed a stopgap.

ARQ is good at taking a low error rate and making it essentially zero.
But it's terrible at high error rates. A much better approach is to
add forward error correction at the physical layer that reduces the
error rate to where ARQ can operate efficiently.

Depending on the FEC code chosen, during normal operation there may
be some residual errors. Or the decoder may produce either perfect
data or nothing at all if the channel is blocked or broken.

An example of the former is a Viterbi-decoded
convolutional code by itself, and examples of the latter are
sequentially decoded convolutional codes with long
constraint lengths, and concatenated Reed-Solomon/Viterbi
combinations. Depending on the channel characteristics you may or
may still want an ARQ protocol at the link layer to
mop up the residual errors, but this is decidedly optional; as long
as the error rate is low enough for TCP to perform well, there's
no need to make it zero.

As an aside, a concatenated RS/Viterbi decoder is used in DSS
(DirecTV/USSB). That's why the system usually works perfectly or
not at all. If you slowly move your hand in front of the feed,
the picture tends to remain perfect until it suddenly freezes. That's
because the BER curve of the concatenated code is extremely steep.
This is characteristic of all strong codes.

Phil


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
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On Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:45:18 GMT, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
> VC retries remind me of the
>slogan over the workbench which reads, "Why is there never time
>to do the job right, but always time to do it over?"
>
and over and over and over and over...

Here in Ct we've tried VC on link circuits where there are no 'users' to speak
of and the RF path was marginal. It helped, once in a while as long as there w
as
no serious volume of traffic. As soon as the traffic volume came up, the link
just beat itself to death. There is no substitute for having a physical layer
that works.

-be


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:25:59 1996
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From: RichardáTorrens <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Digital Volt & / or Amp Meter
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Jack L. Reed) wrote:
>
> Anyone know where I can get a kit for a digital volt meter and
> /or a ditigal amp meter for 12 Volt dc model train layout ???

You won't get a 'kit' but you can get a DMM module. What exactly do you
want?

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:01 1996
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Subject: Re: Digital/Analog HF Receiver Design
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In <01bba751$981abfa0$64070ccf@jim-reid-1>, "Jim Reid" <[e-mail]> write
s:
>
>
>Jim Reid <[e-mail]> wrote in article
><01bba732$83fb2ba0$89070ccf@jim-reid-1>...
>
>Typp error spotted in last paragraph.  Should read as:
>
>" This is the direction to newer traditional HF band receivers;  I  believe
> this is the direction that new SOA digital modulation technology
> receivers will also be going.  Now, the cost's of the needed highest speed
> digital components, frequency dispersive filters, etc., exceeds what
> amateurs will pay--as a wild guess,$10K to $15K for a transceiver?
>Probably
> way too high for a manufacturer to risk developing and marketing at this
> time.
>
> 73,  Jim, AH6NB (for a few more days,  weeks?)
>
>

Jim,

You're apparently laboring under the missconception that digital
modulation techniques and DSP are expensive compared to the analog
techniques that you mention.

That's a mistake ... DSP is costing about a dime a MIPs nowadays ...
depending on volume ... my frame of reference is VERY high volume.

OK, so we're talking $5-6 for a 50 MIPS DSP ...  $12-15 or so for 100
MIPS processor ...  that puts it in the price range where DSPs are being
put in mass-market retail consumer goods ...

The technology certainly is NOT out of reach for amateur equipment
applications.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> In article <01bba732$83fb2ba0$89070ccf@jim-reid-1> "Jim Reid"
<[e-mail]> writes:
> >[e-mail], in article <51helc$[e-mail]>...


Gary writes:
> That's a shocking statement, but it may be true. $10-$15 extra

Jim"

Of course I meant to type  $10,000 to $15,000  for these prices!
And,  yes,  they are shocking.

But  Mahalo to you Gary for your excellent explanation of the coming
digital techniques;  I truly hope they are not to far out into the
future.  Any chance before the next propogation peaks just
past the century turn?  Only 5 or 6 more years.  Clearly I do
not have the background to participate any further in this level
of technical discussion;  my degrees, were in,  of all things,
vacuum tube technology learned at Stanford in the mid 1950's!
You know,  TWT's, Beam Parametric Amplifiers (the Adler tube from
Zenith Radio) etc.  Stanford the home of the Varian' s Klystron and
the many technologies later commercialized at Eimac and so forth.
My particular assistanship project was a contra-wound helix
X-band TWT;  contra wound in hopes of greater gain:
a hoped for 40 dB gain over the band; realized  about half that,  37.

Anyway,  too many decades have passed for me to get atop the
math, tecnhology, and integrated experiences leading to that of
which you have written to even hope to participate.  Do keep on
top of your ideas,  Gary,  and try to urge someone here,  such as
maybe the great guys at Ten Tec to begin marching in the direction
you propose and map out.  They have already broken with the
Japanese in their approach to eliminating some inherent noise in
the phase lock loop approach in the LO synthesizer design.  So
they do apply different ideas,  at least.

The Contesting part of the amateur community has already gotten
together on the internet and presented several improvment ideas
to Ten Tec;   upgrade ideas to the Omni VI they now have,  but
certainly nothing as exciting as that which you propose.

Turn your  piece into a proposal to them Gary,  who knows,  they
might be willing to grant you some support,  if you should wish it
that is.

Anyway,  thanks again,  Gary.  I am very grateful for the time you took
to respond so completely and deeply to my post.  This is what the
amatuer radio community really  is all about.

73,  Jim, AH6NB

> may be more than amateurs are willing to pay for better performance
> equipment, especially if it means abandoning their "traditional"
> signal modulations. But I expect that the RF part of tommorrow's
> receivers will actually be simpler than today's receivers, and
> should offer markedly reduced costs. The digital back end will
> add costs, but probably not enough to offset the up front savings.
> (The price of digital components continues to plunge as their
> power grows while the cost of analog RF components continues
> to soar.)
>
> Note, transmitter costs and complexity are essentially moot.
> Off the shelf technology already allows us to build suitable
> I/Q transmitters at low cost and with sufficient performance.
> (An I/Q transmitter allows us to generate any arbitrary signal
> design.) It is the receiver, and suitable signal design, which
> are the keys to big performance gains.

>Gary


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:04 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Little)
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Subject: re: do we build?  was(re: arrl survey ignores 7 of 8 wrc-99 issues!
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>
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >I have NEVER, EVER, in over ten years of debating this issue, seen a
> >no-code advocate actually advocate the *banning* of CW from the bands.
> >Not once.  (of course, now that I've said that, one of the pro-coders
> >will probably start up a phony "ban the code" thread in an effort to
> >taint the discussion with a bunch of bogus anti-no-code distortions).
>
> >Carl - wa6vse
> >[e-mail]
> ==============================================================
> BUT - those sections of the band reserved for non-phone uses shrink as
> more and more phone operators crowd the remainder. In the '50's, 75
> meters was only 200 kHz, and there was no phone on 40 at all!
>
> I suspect that in 20-30 years, there will be no parts of the band
> reserved for non-phone usage. It will all then be by "gentlemens
> agreement".
>
> Jerry    W4UKU    [e-mail]
>
>
>

One point to bear in mind is that some countries only have "gentleman's
agreements" about how the HF band works NOW. As long as the bandplan
has the general agreement of amateurs, then it will be followed.

Mark.




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From: [e-mail] (W8JI  Tom)
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Subject: Re: do we build?  was(re: arrl survey ignores 7 of 8 wrc-99 issues!
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark
Little) writes:

>
>One point to bear in mind is that some countries only have "gentleman's
>agreements" about how the HF band works NOW. As long as the bandplan
>has the general agreement of amateurs, then it will be followed.
>
>Mark.
>
>
>

Boy, Is that a life of delusion! Apparantly you've never worked 160 or 40
CW.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:07 1996
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In <51sur0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>
>Now, I think we're going to have to redefine "homebrewing" - I've got
>an article here from QEX titled The Ultimate VFO (April 1996); the
>circuit contains two major ICs, a clock module, a handful of resistors,
>and a few push-button switches. Is snapping ICs into sockets considered
>homebrew? I'll say "no", and call something like this a kit, instead.
>I'll snap it together but won't make any claim that I homebrewed a
>VFO. I've homebrewed VFOs before from scratch and this project won't
>begin to come close to the detailed work that those necessitated. And
>it won't be as rewarding, either.
>

So you're stating that the use of *modern* parts like ICs means that
it's not "homebrew"???

What if I design the IC? (Something I do regularly at work ...) Does
that count?

What if I program the IC (as in a uController)?  Does that count?

Or does it have to be solely discrete parts (tubes?)  hand-wired between
nails pounded into a hunk of wood?  (which is what you seem to view as
"homebrew")

We've already established that many, if not most, hams are not building
*anything* ... wouldn't getting lots of them building
(and debugging) ever-more-complex kits be a step in the right direction?

As usual, Jeff, your arguments are an outlandish mix of troll and
"traditional-eleteist" ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: DX and Satellite Cyberscheds available at http://www.sarrio
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:18:12 -0700
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This is a new use of the WWW that can benefit ham radio operators
throughout the world.

You can now schedule contacts with hams all over the world simply and
easily by using the WWW and e-mail.I have set aside a section of my web
site for hams to post their request for over-the-air schedules. Included
in the posting is a place to list the posters specific ham radio contact
needs (countries, zones,IOTA, grid squares ect...). The postings will also
include an e-mail link that will allow hams that read the posts, to easily
request an over-the-air schedule.

How Can Cyberscheds work for me?

Do you need a certain state to complete a WAS award? Are you just a few
countries away from a DXCC? Are you a QRP operator looking to make
contacts with hams all over the world? Are you a DX station that has grown
tired of the stateside pile-ups on 20 meters? Or are you going mobile into
a hard to work county?

In all the above examples you could have prearranged cyberscheds with
those hams that you want to work. If band conditions are poor just e-mail
the hams you could not work and set up a new schedule.

Cyberscheds are a simple way to have the internet work to the benefit of
hams all over the world.

All posting will stay on-line for 6 months, or until the posting is asked
to be deleted. Below is an example of one cyberpost visit the cyberpost
page and view them all. Below is an example of one of the postings:

Station: BV/N0IAT


Name: Joe Fitter
QTH: Taipei, TAIWAN Republic of China
Bands: 40/20/17/15/10
Mode: CW (occasional SSB, but not much)
Comments: Looking for South America, Central America, and Carribean QSO's.
I QRV from a
neighbors shack (local law), so operating times are limited to station
availability. QSL via my CBA --
I DO NOT accept IRC's or Greenbacks, just please send me your QSL card and
a route for returning
the favor.
Post Date: Sept. 6, 1996
--
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per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (SCN User)
Subject: Re: DX Club Alert system.
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 01:18:52 GMT
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After doing some carefull listening I've discovered that the station
issuing the computer generated dx bulletins DOES ID.

However the callsign is given at the start of the transmission instead of
the end, and sometimes doesn't make it thru the repeater.

The call is W7LFA
--
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         [e-mail]               *     They know where you live...
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:10 1996
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From: Keith Piercey <[e-mail]>
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Anyone out there have the specs on an E.F. Johnson air variable
capacitor model 153-11-3.  Why don't they put the value on the device
and make life so much simpler. :)

de VO1AE Keith


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Would the graphics sheets be on line anywhere?  No problem pulling
the questions, but am suprised I'm unable to find the diagrams.....


Thanks

Paul
KF4FCN



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From: [e-mail] (Duffy1)
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Subject: Re: Family Radio Service (FRS) equipment?
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In article <[e-mail]> Steve
Kagan wrote:
>Not only does that new Radio Shack offering have only the seven
>467 mHz channels (missing the seven 462 mHz ones), but it has no
>provision for PL squelch (either tone or digital), nor can it
scan.
>
>The radio may be set internally to any one of the seven channels.
>I think the user can do that with DIP switches, but it's a
>one-channel (at a time) radio.  And in addition to having only a
>seven-channel capability (one at a time), it cannot be programmed
>from the front panel, has no channel switch, and has no tone pad.
>
>In any case, might Radio Shack be planning a more featured radio?
>The current one is a pretty high-priced, though low-featured,
>Motorola-manufactured set.
>
>Radio Shack's (license-required) GMRS radio offerings include a
>Motorola-made one, plus a less-expensive (but more-featured)
scanning
>Radio-Shack-branded model.  Again thoough, neither has any type of
PL
>(tone squelch), and lacks a front-panel number pad.
>
>So, could anyone post whether other manufacturers are going to
>offer Family Radio Service equipment?  Those who know about that
>seven-channel (one-channel-at-a-time) Radio Shack/Motorola FRS
>product will agree that it's a mighty weak starting entry, indeed.
>
  Steve

The RS radios are way over priced.  Saw the exact same radios
advertised in some of the sportsmans' equipment catalogs advertised
for $99.95.  Another radio had an improved more featured version
for $129.95.  All manufactured by Motorola.  RS is really screqwing
the public with this pricing!



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:13 1996
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From: Jim Johnson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC Interactive on-line 610-V filing requires graphics!
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Anthony R. Gold wrote:
>
>
> Only premature filing, i.e. a filing with a filing date prior to the
> start of the applicable Gate, will result in rejection and return of
> the application, not premature arival.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> --
>    Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
>                                                 [e-mail]
>                                         packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

I read the application differently.  I interpretted the instructions as
follows:

1)  You must date the application the same day as you sign it.  I signed
    it on Sept. 20, the same day I took it to FedEx.  The instructions
    are very clear on this issue.

2)  You cannot post-date your check.  This might mean that if you put it
    into a courier service on Sept. 20, the check could be dated
    Sept. 23 (the first business day after the application arrives).  But
    in no case can it be dated after the date the application arrives.
    I didn't take the chance and dated it Sept. 20 also.

3)  The critical date is the arrival date, not the date on the application
    (which is the date you signed it).  Again, the instructions are clear
    as to the fact that the arrival date can be on or after Sept. 23, but
    not a BUSINESS day before then.  If the application arrives on Sept. 21
    or 22nd (Sat or Sun) then the "official" arrival date is Sept. 23 as
    that is the first business day after the weekend arrival.  I FedEx'd
    mine on Sept. 20 for arrival on Saturday, Sept. 21.  I also interpretted
    the rules to be that if the application arrives on Sept. 20 or before,
    that it could (but not necessarily would) be returned to you.


    Thanks,

    Jim Johnson WA6SII
    [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:14 1996
From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Jim Johnson" writes
:

>    Like I said, it doesn't get much clearer than that.  The filing date
>    has nothing to do with the date on the application, rather it has
>    only to do with the arrival date (as described above) at the FCC.

Jim, please try hard to concentrate on this:

No one, not me or anyone else, wrote anything about any significance
being attached to the date written on the application form. What I
had written, and what you had earlier taken issue with, was this:

In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Anthony R. Gold" writes:

> No they never said any such thing.  The filing date of the
> application is the date of arrival it arrives on a non-holiday week
> day. Otherwise, the filing date is the next non-holiday week day
> following the date of arrival.
>
> Only premature filing, i.e. a filing with a filing date prior to the
> start of the applicable Gate, will result in rejection and return of
> the application, not premature arival.

Please don't argue against what no one has said, it's a waste of
time. If you can still find any fault whatever with what I really did
write, please try again to explain your problem.

And as this is now beaten way past its death, perhaps taking this to
email is appropriate?

Followup set.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Kennedy)
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Subject: FCC License Processing Time...
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 20:04:19 GMT
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A friend of mine recently passed his first Amateur test, and is now
awaiting FCC processing to get his ticket.

Can anyone tell me approximately what the waiting time is nowdays from
VE submission to Call issuance to receipt of license in the mail?

Thanks

Steve
WB7PSD



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From: "Sam Morse" <smorse@usa>
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Gary,

you forgot that OOK Morse code is the only
DIGITAL code that can be received by no other
signal processor than a brain.  Plus, it's the simplest
communication (besides radio, you can use a flashlight,
whistle, smoke, you name it!).  That can be important
in an emergency.
Most of us do NOT carry equipment capable of combined
FH/PN spread spectrum communication using
sophisticated error correction algorithms.

I'd like to see you decode FSK by ear...


> But, you say, you need an encoder and decoder to do FSK.
> Yes, you do, but you also need one to do manual OOK Morse.
> The difference is, almost anyone can learn to understand
> precisely how the FSK encoder and decoder work, but no one
> really understands how the OOK Morse encoder and decoder
> work. It's a black box, an unknown quantity, of extremely
> variable performance and dubious reliability. The specifications
> for the device are not consistent, there's no way to reliably
> calculate MTBF, no way to reliably determine system Eb/No
> or consistent throughput or error rates under specified
> conditions. Etc. It is a troublesome and inefficient part,
> which takes a long time to produce ready for shipment to
> the customer. It would be best if it were designed out of
> the system.
>
> Gary


PS:
If you want to be a sailor you must know how to swim.
You may say that you'll be the skipper,
because you know a lot;  besides you are on a ship and the
water is for the fishes anyway...

Sam Morse



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Sam Morse wrote:
> you forgot that OOK Morse code is the only
> DIGITAL code that can be received by no other
> signal processor than a brain.
> I'd like to see you decode FSK by ear...

And I'd like to see you decode CW by ear, without the help of a
receiver that is more complicated than an FSK decoder.

73, Cecil, W6RCA  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
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"Sam Morse" <smorse@usa> wrote:
>If your FSK decoder is simpler than that, AND you can decode
>the sounds by ear then I'll agree with you.

Please tell me how to decode CW by ear when I'm going
deaf. Digital modes are ideal for me. I assume you would
bar deaf people from ham radio because they can't hear CW?

My single-chip FSK decoder is much, much simpler than a
transceiver and I have 20 microcontrollers in my junkbox
that can do the decoding for me. If you're not too lazy
to expend a little effort, I'll teach you how.

73, Cecil, W6RCA




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:19 1996
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From: Bill <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Ham Radio on Harley Davidson Ultraglide???
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:19:12 -0700
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I'd like to figure out a sanitary installation of a dual bander with
removable head on my Ultraglide.  I have one on the Goldwing I am
getting rid of but can't for the life of me picture a good place to
locate the head..... does anyone in cyberland know of a ham with a rig
mounted on a Harley???? Other than the 'fancy' fairing on the
Ultraglide, they are probably about all the same.  I am not necessarily
interested in making it work in conjunction with the sound system on the
Harley as I did with the Goldwing... just a nice setup...

Thanks for any help on this or putting me in contact with someone...

73, Bill/N6GHG
--

Bill Splaine-Healdsburg, CA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul W Schleck KD3FU)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: HAM: Getting started
Date: 25 Sep 1996 10:57:25 -0000
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:

>In article <[e-mail].
ca> "Jeremy Vink (aka \"Datum\")" <[e-mail]> writes:
>>How would I get started in HAM radio? I don't have ALOT of money, but I'm
>>willing to shell out just about anything less than $100. Also, how would I
>>get a HAM licence?

>You need a Canadian license, of course. I don't know if there is
>a website with Canadian info. [...]

(Supplementing Gary Coffman's excellent advice.)

Yes, there is.  It's the Radio Amateurs of Canada WWW Home Page (The RAC
is Canada's national amateur radio society).  The URL is in the entry
for the RAC Treasurer and Webmaster in my Amateur Radio Elmers Resource
Directory:

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/

In particular:

http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/elmers/P.html#Pulfer

--
73, Paul W. Schleck, KD3FU
[e-mail]
http://www.novia.net/~pschleck/
Finger [e-mail] for PGP Public Key


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:21 1996
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From: Edward Oros <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: help with HR2510 mods
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:44:45 -0400
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hi wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any other mods I can do
> to the HR2510 besides the extended freq range
> mod?  Specifically any mods to the RIT or getting
> the radio to have memory of a channel when I change
> bands and go back.  Thanks for any replies...>>


http://www.qth.com/antenna


see the radio conversions section.


Ed--AC3L


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bry)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help!
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 19:38:59 GMT
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Can anyone tell me how to subscribe to various mailing list groups like
qrp-l
boatanchors
youth-hockey
and any other ham ones.
I lost all of that info.

E-mail me please! 73 de AF4K, Bry
==

Brian Carling, AF4K / G3XLQ
[e-mail]
http://www.mnsinc.com/bry = MEGALIST + HOCKEY + HAM RADIO = Bry's Page!



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Spike)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help!  Recv Mod for IC-T21A
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:38:26 GMT
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  I just recently purchased an Icom IC-T21A from an auction
and was able to receive out of band (ie  150Mhz), and I decided
to reset the MPU and start from the top.  Now I can't get the thing
to receive out of band.  Furthermore, I'm used to punching in all
the digits in the freq I'm using.

  Can ANYONE please email me the buttons I need to hold
in at powerup to regain the expanded receive?  Thanks
in advance es 73!

Scott
N6UUH


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:23 1996
From: "James Edwards" <[e-mail]>
Subject: HELP:  Need Audio chip for Pacific 160-Pettruse radio
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A friend of mine without Internet access has this radio, and would like to
get an audio chip for it.  If anyone has any info on how to get one, please
email me.  Thanks!
--
James Edwards
[e-mail]
http://www.ncia.net/users/hitman


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:24 1996
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From: John Simmons <[e-mail]>
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Subject: HW-16 Manual Wanted
Date: 22 Sep 1996 16:48:37 GMT
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I just picked up a Heath CW Transceiver, the HW-16 at the local swapmeet.
Does Heath still make the old manuals available? Or can someone send me a
copy of the Assembly/Operating Manual?
Thanks,
John  KQ6ES



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:25 1996
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From: "Gary R. Heagle" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ICOM 735 Computer Control Info
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:37:23 +0000
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Would anyone out there have info on the computer control commands,
etc. for the ICOM 735 HF rig?  Either a document, file, references to
magazine articles, etc., would be greatly appreciated.

An E-mail reply to [e-mail] would be fine.

Thanks and 73,
Gary


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Sam Cederas)
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Subject: Re: ICOM 735 Computer Control Info
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JULY 1992 QST   Page 37     Complete instructions on building a low
cost computer interface for IC-735 and other Icom rigs.




On Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:37:23 +0000, "Gary R. Heagle"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Would anyone out there have info on the computer control commands,
>etc. for the ICOM 735 HF rig?  Either a document, file, references to
>magazine articles, etc., would be greatly appreciated.
>
>An E-mail reply to [e-mail] would be fine.
>
>Thanks and 73,
>Gary



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Len Anderson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Internet via Ham Radi
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 07:01:00 GMT
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EA>From: Andre <[e-mail]>
EA>Subject: Re: Internet via Ham Radio?

EA>Marvin L. Jones wrote:

EA>> Well, just because a thing is do-able, does
EA>> not mean it should be done.    <g>

EA>Why not? There should be an alternate means to keep the internet going
EA>without phone lines. The Internet is the only public place where there
EA>is no censorship and the world needs such a place. Maybe HAM radio is
EA>not the place for it but surely the HAM community can devise a system
EA>for it. The cable companies are already talking about putting it on
EA>cable but I would like to see a non-commercial place for it. The cellular
EA>phone industry with their network of repeaters is also talking about
EA>making it available so why not HAM radio?

BANDWIDTH.  The Internet is High-Speed, High-Capacity meganetwork that
carries thousands of newsgroups with a few million users on the net at
the same time during peak traffic.  Technically not possible in the
limited spectrum space of ALL amateur radio bands up to X-band combined.

The "cellular phone industry" isn't planning on sending the Internet via
cell site repeaters but the telecommunications industry wants to offer
it via very high speed data over optical fiber drops to subscribers.

The Internet is essentially a Common Carrier service.  Under all the FCC
R&R domain, amateur radio ain't allowed to do that because it isn't a
Common Carrier service.

---
 * OLX 2.1 * Things are getting worse.  Please send chocolate.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Internet via Ham Radi
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> "Charles P. Hobbs" <transit@primenet.c
om> writes:
>Len Anderson wrote:
>> BANDWIDTH.  The Internet is High-Speed, High-Capacity meganetwork that
>> carries thousands of newsgroups with a few million users on the net at
>> the same time during peak traffic.  Technically not possible in the
>> limited spectrum space of ALL amateur radio bands up to X-band combined.
>
>In San Francisco, there's a wireless Internet service called
>Ricochet, that uses zillions of part-15 low power transmitters
>on 902-928 mHz to provide "radio modem" service throughout the
>city. . .

It's amazing what our old friend the inverse square law can do
for us when we use a little creative thought about the problem.
As noted at the FCC forum on new wireless applications, the spectrum
really does have infinite (or at least arbitrarily large) capacity
when we employ the right techniques to exploit it.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Keep CW Requirement?...on radio show!
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In article <51ei4o$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>From my point of view, the knowledgable, courteous no-code tech's
>opinion is of FAR more value than those of the ignorant, ill-mannered
>20wpm+CW lids who jam and curse on 14.3xx and other places throughout
>the HF bands.

Which just goes to show that even the lids can learn the code. What you
fail to mention is that none of that behavior occures *on* CW (of course,
you'd have to be able to copy the code to know that, right Carl?).

Also, folks are passing the newer fill-in-the-blank N wpm code test quite
easily these days (as opposed to one minute of error-free copy) so of
course we're seeing more lids on HF now. We could actually say that
the code speeds have already been lowered (recall the VE who spoke of
those passing the 13wpm code test who weren't able to copy 7wpm error-free?).

>Carl - wa6vse  (Tech+ for 21 years)
>[e-mail]

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:32 1996
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From: Tom Hess <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Kenwood TH-78A
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:24:51 -0500
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Marc Richard Wollemborg wrote:
>
> I can't find the manual for my Kenwood TH-78A and was hoping someone could
> tell me how to get into the mode which can display the names or call-signs
> of memory channels.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Marc Wollemborg
> /n2zes/

F for 1 second then F2

Tom VE3XTH


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gilbert Baron)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: KENWOOD TS-870S Extended (MARS) transmit mods?
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 10:04:33 GMT
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Does anyone know what the mod or key codes to open the TS870s Transmit
range would be or where I could find it. A Yahoo and Alta Vista search
finds lots on Kenwood but nothing on the TS870.
--
Gil Baron W0MN [e-mail] Web http://www.deskmedia.com/~gbaron
"Bailar es vivir" pgp2.6 key http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html
"Cuatro caminos hay en mi vida. Cual de los cuatro sera el mejor"

[Posted with Agent .99e. For info, email [e-mail].]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Olson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: longwire ant
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:36:14 -0500
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Am moving to a new location and am thinking of trying a long wire ant for
hf.  Anyone have any specs and tips for one?  Thanks, Steve, WO9L
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:35 1996
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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: longwire ant
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:13:42 -0700
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Steven Olson wrote:
> Am moving to a new location and am thinking of trying a long wire ant for
> hf.  Anyone have any specs and tips for one?

Hi Steve, when you say "long wire", do you mean end-fed? Do you want to
work all HF bands? 160m? What kind of radiation pattern do you want?
For 10m-80m, it's hard to beat a 102' center-fed with ladder-line.

73, Cecil, W6RCA  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: "Peter Gottlieb" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: longwire ant
Date: 25 Sep 1996 00:07:25 GMT
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You will need a tuner to match the antenna to your transmitter.  Perhaps
if you could make it a dipole instead, fed by ladder line, to a tuner, you
might be better off?  Still pretty inexpensive.


Steven Olson <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> Am moving to a new location and am thinking of trying a long wire ant for

> hf.  Anyone have any specs and tips for one?  Thanks, Steve, WO9L
> [e-mail]
>


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Kirk Crady)
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Subject: Looking for CTSS Tone Specs
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Greetings,

I am hoping someone out there can point me in the direction of finding
specifications on the CTSS tones many repeaters are using today.

I already have the frequency lists and Motorola two-letter
designations; what I really want is the specs. on frequency
tolerances, whether the signal must be sine wave, etc. and the upper and
lower amplitude limits, if any.

In other words, I want to design a CTSS add-on to an old 2M rig. The
local tone is 88.5 Hz. What guidelines should keep in mind?

TNX - 73
Kirk - N4IQH


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tim Miller)
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        I am looking for a generic replacement for a Motorola M9851
UHF power transistor.  This is the final for the 450 MHz Maxar radio.
15 Watts output power.

                Thanks in advance, tim

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                School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
                Purdue University
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis)
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Subject: Mid Atlantic VHF conf & Packrats Hamarama announcement
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                      *** Mid Atlantic VHF Conference ***

The 20th Annual Mid-Atlantic States VHF Conference sponsored by the Mt. Airy
VHF Radio Club will be held on Saturday, 5 October at the Days Inn in Horsham
PA. Technical presentations relating to VHF/UHF/SHF weak signal operating
will begin at 9AM.

The Days Inn is located just north of exit 27 (Willow Grove exit) of the PA
Turnpike, just north of Philadelphia, in Horsham, PA. Rooms at the Days Inn
can be reserved by calling 215-674-2500. Mention Pack Rats for a discount.
The Days Inn is filling up quickly, so reserve soon. Additional lodging is
available in the Horsham area: Holiday Inn Trevose [phone],  Marriott
Willow Grove  [phone], Hampton Inn Willow Grove (215)  659  - 3535,
Warrington Inn  [phone].


                               *** HAMARAMA ***

On the following day, Sunday 6 Oct. the Packrats will have their annual hamfes
t
at the Bucks County Drive In Theater, about 5 miles north of PA Tpk. exit 27
on Rte. 611. Talk-in on 146.52 simplex and the club repeater on 224.58.

Ron, WZ1V has placed the flyer for the events, including a preliminary list of
presentations, on the N.E.W.S. Group web page:
            http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~newsvhf/hamarama.html

For  more information on the technical conference or a possible presentation
slot,  contact John Sortor, KB3XG, at 610-584-2489 or at [e-mail].


                      ** Preliminary Conference Agenda **

        SPEAKERS         TOPICS

 KD1DU, Del Schier  - Introduction to 10 GHz Equipment and Operation

 WB6JJN, Jim         -Amateur Satellites:Modes, Bands,& Issues @ VHF thru
                      Microwaves

 AJ3K, Jim Rautio, Sonnet Software - 3-D Planer Electromagnetic Design

 WA1YHO, Gary Dallas - Using YO & AO to Optimize a 6M Antenna System

 N1DPM                -Introduction to VHF/UHF Weak Signal Operating

 Harvey Kaylie, Mini-Circuits Laboratories

 WB2SON, Richard Fiore - American Technical Ceramics

 W3ZZ, Gene Zimmerman - 40 Years of Contesting

Preliminary schedule of events:

        Friday, October 4, 1996
        5pm to 11pm - Out of town guests arrive, check in.
                      The 2 meeting rooms  be used as a hospitality suite.
              The Pack Rats will provide snacks & beverages

 Saturday, October 5, 1996

        9am to 12pm  Morning conference session.
       12pm to  1pm  Lunch break
        1pm to  5pm  Afternoon conference session.
        5pm to  7pm  Hospitality suite.
        7pm to  9pm  Dinner/Banquet
        9pm to 11pm  Hospitality suite.

Sunday, October 6, 1996

       6am to 10am   Check out
       7am to  3pm   Hamarama at the Bucks County Drive In

73!
W3IIT & AA3GN
--
[e-mail] - speaking only for myself, of course
No, this is not a sig.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (W8JI  Tom)
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Subject: Re: Morse Code again (was Re: re: do we build?  was(re: arrl survey ignores 7 o
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In article <521e7i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>resigned from that lofty organization last year just because of their
>assinine stand on code requirements. And  for the "Try CW, You'll

Speaking of assinine, why is this cross posted to homebrew? To make the
soapbox bigger?


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:41 1996
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Subject: Re: Morse Code again (was Re: re: do we build?  was(re: arrl survey ignores 7 of 8 wrc-99 issues!)
Date: 20 Sep 1996 00:18:14 GMT
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In <51p2v7$[e-mail]>, Ed Hare <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>It is my personal opinion that Morse Code is important to the Amateur
>Radio Service for a number of reasons.  The most important is that it is
>apparently important to a significant number (significant is not
>necessarily defined as a majority) of us.  The alternatives proposed are
>important to a significant number of us, too, so those who are proposing
>solutions that do not consider the needs or wishes of others with
>alternative views are proposing solutions that are more divisive than
>useful.
>

So the code should be forced down everyone's throats, because SOME
SEGMENT of the ham community views it as "important" (to them).

That makes ZERO sense, Ed ... how would the CW folks like it if the
digital folks forced a test in coding software algorithms for DSP on
them?  After all, those skills are *important* to a(n ever-growing)
group of hams ...

Sounds like a *practical* test to me ... write some software routines
that implement an FFT, a Hilbert transform, do some digital modulation
and demodulation, complex filtering, etc.  ...  maybe even implement
some convolutional codes and a Viterbi decoder or two ...  Would the CW
folks find this an appropriate *pass/fail* test element?  (If not, WHY?)

I would submit that jaming things that they don't consider relevant down
people's throats will *always* generate some "devisive" feelings on the
part of the "jamee" ...  yet that's what the code folks have been doing
to everyone for years and years ...  and we're sick and tired of it ...
to quote "Network" ... "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it
any more!"

If that's "devisive," so be it ... I guess we need some "dividing" ...
it's not always bad to stir things up a bit ... unless all you care
about is maintaining the status quo at all costs ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Morse Code again (was Re: re: do we build?  was(re: arrl survey ignores 7 of 8 wrc-99 issues!)
Date: 22 Sep 1996 01:52:17 GMT
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>   [e-mail] writes:

>  Well said, Carl. I agree 100%. The trouble is though, things will
>  never change as long as the CW loving ARRL is running the show.BTW, I
>  resigned from that lofty organization last year just because of their
>  assinine stand on code requirements. And  for the "Try CW, You'll
>  learn to love it!" group, I say "Nuts to you." I worked on that damn
>  Morse Code until it made me sick. It's still just noise to me. Now I'm
>  forever locked out of the HF spectrum because of this discriminatory
>  rule.
>  Butch N2YMJ


just another licensee who knew the score going into the game
and comes out crying  "I can't work HF  boo hoo.  It's unfair
boo hoo it's discriminatory  boo hoo boo hoo

I don't remember Butch, when were you forced to take a test to
be an amateur operator???  did the police come to your home
or pull you out of work???  Did you take the test knowing the
that you would be a non code tech or did you try for the novice
ticket and then ended up with the non code license???  Your answer
makes a big difference to the above.  If you went for the non code, then
you knew EXACTLY what you were getting and now that you did you
decide to join CARL and his ham radio welfare state???  shame shame

just remember 5wpm is no code


Carl's troll - Steve  KF2TI


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:44 1996
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Subject: Re: Morse Code again (was Re: re: do we build?  was(re: arrl survey ignores 7 of 8 wrc-99 issues!)
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[e-mail] wrote:
>
> ...<SNIP>
>
> .... And  for the "Try CW, You'll
> learn to love it!" group, I say "Nuts to you." I worked on that damn
> Morse Code until it made me sick. It's still just noise to me. Now I'm
> forever locked out of the HF spectrum because of this discriminatory
> rule.
> Butch N2YMJ

Yes, there is a homebrew aspect to this response further down....

And what if, try as you might, you couldn't get the technical aspects of the
tests right (many people can't)?  Would you cry "discrimination" because,
after all, why do you need to know what thosed damned transistor squiggles
and Ohm's law thingies are?  Only homebrewers need to know these things, not
appliance operators.  Who needs to know how an engine works to drive a car,
after all?  Why do you have to understand the components of a phase
modulated TX when all you ever intend to do is key the mike on your Yeasu
wonderradio?

I could make as big a case for removing most of the technical requirements
as you are making for the removal of the code requirement.  If successful,
would we be better Hams?  I don't think so.

Mark my words, if the CW requirement is removed, the technical requirement
will follow.  That would be a sad day.

And before anyone cries, "but it's alright for you, you have passed the
tests", I'll point out that I have been a supporter of the code requirement
both before and after writing my tests recently (a quick search using Deja
News will verify this).

Again, I like the homebrew aspects, and there is no simpler homebrew
starting point than a CW TX.  The CW requirement encouraged me to enter, as
I know there are many people out there with whom I can communicate using my
freshly made homebrew TX.  A selfish position, perhaps, but no more selfish
than those who clammer to have the requirement removed because they cannot
pass.

Chris (KC5VQL)


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Subject: Re: Morse Code again (was Re: re: do we build?  was(re: arrl survey ignores 7 of 8 wrc-99 issues!)
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[e-mail] wrote:

>In <521e7i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>>
>>Well said, Carl. I agree 100%. The trouble is though, things will
>>never change as long as the CW loving ARRL is running the show.BTW, I
>>resigned from that lofty organization last year just because of their
>>assinine stand on code requirements. And  for the "Try CW, You'll
>>learn to love it!" group, I say "Nuts to you." I worked on that damn
>>Morse Code until it made me sick. It's still just noise to me. Now I'm
>>forever locked out of the HF spectrum because of this discriminatory
>>rule.
>>Butch N2YMJ
>>

>Butch,

>Don't give up ... be more vocal ... we WILL get things changed ... and I
>think it will be sooner rather than later ...

>73,
>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]

Well folks the results are in!  After observing the stats of the
downloaded FCC database with which Microsoft Access, Foxpro,
etc...were used we now know that 78%.....I say again 78% of the U.S.
Amateur Radio operator population is of the coded variety.  Only 22%
of the hams are no code technicians.  That is 1/5th.  I think the
numbers of no-coders will have to grow for there to a significant
impact here.

Now, realistically not everyone of that 78% is active...but I bet
neither is the entire 22% of the uncoded population.

What say ye naysayers about that?


===========================================
cheers! Jim Martin, wk1v
Lowell, Mass, U.S.A.
http://www.shore.net/~jjmartin/jjm.htm



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:47 1996
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In <529qh9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Martin, WK1V) writes:
>
>Well folks the results are in!  After observing the stats of the
>downloaded FCC database with which Microsoft Access, Foxpro,
>etc...were used we now know that 78%.....I say again 78% of the U.S.
>Amateur Radio operator population is of the coded variety.

There are a hell of a lot of us with-code licensed hams who think the
code test has long since outseen any semblance of usefulness and lapsed
into being nothing but a hindrance ...

>Only 22%
>of the hams are no code technicians.  That is 1/5th.  I think the
>numbers of no-coders will have to grow for there to a significant
>impact here.
>

See the above ...

>Now, realistically not everyone of that 78% is active...but I bet
>neither is the entire 22% of the uncoded population.
>

Yup, quite a few of that 78% are, in fact, quite dead ... another
good-sized batch are inactive for less serious reasons ...

but I'll bet that a very large percentage of the 1/5 who are no-code
techs are still quite active ... and would like very much to get on
"your" HF bands ...  we clearly should let them ...

>What say ye naysayers about that?
>

That's what "we naysayers" say ...

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:48 1996
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From: "Peter Gottlieb" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Moto GP300 on 440 Amateur Band ?
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Steve Barden <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<51rnla$[e-mail]>...
> ANyone have any experience reprogramming a Motorola GP300 UHF to work
> on the 440 Ham Bands ?  Specifically 442.150 TX and 447.150 RX .
>
> What is required to reprogram the radio ?

Assuming the radio covers the ham bandsplit, you will need the Motorola
programming software and the special adapter and cable.  This is usually
too costly to purchase for doing only a single radio, even if you (God
forbid!)
get a bootleg copy of the software (I have heard that some "dealers"
give it away when selling the radios).

Try to find someone who will program it for you, or bring it to a Motorola
shop and pay the $40 or so.  If you are going to get into these radios (and
they are quite decent, BTW) you can spend some time trying to collect
the necessary stuff to do it yourself.  I am sorry but I cannot help you as
I have neither the cables or the software.

If the radio is not the correct bandsplit, some versions of the software
can
be overridden by holding the shift key pressed when entering the freqs
(except
for the decimal point) and the freq will then appear unshifted when you
enter
each one.

Good luck!


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:49 1996
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From: Tiger X-term <t3>
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Subject: Re: Moto GP300 on 440 Amateur Band ?
Date: 20 Sep 1996 04:31:41 GMT
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We use the GP-300s here at work. We have the programmer too. I programmed one
up on 447.800 with pl. It worked a lot better than I expected. They are good
radios with a lot of software programming options.

73 de Don.



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From: [e-mail] (Evan Platt)
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Subject: Must sell ASAP: Amateur Yaesu FT40 70cm HT! Make a reasonable offer.
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Yaesu FT40, 99 Channel radio. Includes tx/rx mod, tx and receives from
430 -484.This unit is LITERALLY the size of a pack of smokes, maybe a
TINY bit deeper, but the same height and width. (Just add an antenna.)
Does 99 channels PL _AND_ DPL, Keypad programmable, dual VFO, digital
voice (record up to 20 seconds from the radio or by mike and either
play back through speaker OR back on the air! Record you call and
never say it again! Searches PL & DPL (yep, don't know the PL? Just
hit a key, and it tells you! (I Can't find this in the manual, I think
it;s a hidden trick.) Comes with low power battery pack, charger,
manual, and box. Barely used. Would prefer Bay Area (California) but
will ship. $300/BO. Must sell ASAP, make an offer. Either reply via
e-mail, or call 415-939-1037 anytime. Thanks

Evan


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:52 1996
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Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: new call info - where?
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:42:40 -0500
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Paul R. Ryack wrote:
>
> What is the URL which shows the FCC's daily announcements of newly
> granted amateur licenses?  TNX & 73, Paul, W1ETH
> Paul R. Ryack, W1ETH/6
> [e-mail]
> W1ETH@K6TZ.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM


I believe this is the address.

http://www.lantz.com/htbin/cbs_today


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (willard zerbe)
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Subject: Re: new call info - where?
Date: 25 Sep 1996 03:01:58 GMT
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In article <527ci0$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] says...
>
>What is the URL which shows the FCC's daily announcements of newly
>granted amateur licenses?  TNX & 73, Paul, W1ETH
>Paul R. Ryack, W1ETH/6
>[e-mail]
>W1ETH@K6TZ.#SOCA.CA.USA.NOAM
>
http://www.lantz.com/htbin/cbs_today



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:54 1996
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From: wb4yuc
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Subject: Re: Non-amateur use of CW
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There is also the folks at Morse2000 who are using morse code
as the input language interface to control machinery for the handicapped.

73,

Bruce, WB4YUC


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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Micales)
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Subject: Number codes
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Amateur radio has the Q-codes and also the number codes (the best one being
73).  Several years ago, I had a list of these codes and what they stood for,
however, I have seemed to misplace this list :-(.

Does anyone out there have a complete listing of the various number codes
and/or now where I might be able to find a copy?

Send your replies to : [e-mail]

Thanks to all for the help!

73
Bruce Micales
WA2DEU



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tim English)
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Subject: Number to call about status on 610v forms
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Does anyone know if there is a phone number one can call to check on ths staus
of a 610V, vanity callsign application ? Please email me if anyone knows.
Thanks.

--
Tim

             Amateur Radio Station: WB8OGM (since 1972)
             Email: [e-mail]

    ** Visit the Auction Web at http://www.ebay.com/aw/ **

          "Sometimes imagination is better than knowledge"


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:56 1996
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From: Greg Pring <[e-mail]>
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I am currently looking at a box with over 150 old valves (brand new,
still in their boxes).
Super Radiotron, Phillips, Mullard etc
6XB6, 6AX4GT, 1S2A, 12BY7, 1X2B, 6CB6A, 6BM8, 6BV8
to mention but a few types.

I am trying to work out what their current worth is, if any, as to what
I will do with them?
(Sorry, only expressions of interest as yet!)

Greg Pring


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Volts and 0-1.04 Amps, Coarse and Fine Volt dials, hi-low current switch
and dial, output for positive, negative and common ground. (Sells new
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--
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:26:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Little)
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Subject: Re: pro - cw !!
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>
>
> I've been reading quite a few messages about doing away with CW or at
> least not requiring it on various levels of exams.  I completely
> disagree.
>
>   CW is an art form.  We live in an instant gradification society, "I
> want it now !!". We've been pretty much conditioned in this mode of
> operation. Why does it have to include ham radio?  What about tradition?
> Ham radio has a great tradition and CW is part of it.  Things like
> making your first QSO as a new novice (I still remember mine),
> developing your skills as an operator on CW and phone, moving up to the
> next license--these are things you can be proud of.  Which mode gets
> through better is not the point. Sure I 've been on for almost 40 years
> now and I'm an old -- whatever, but I am still proud of my abilities on
> CW and phone.  You are advocating the loss of opportunity.  No one "even
> in the dark ages" wanted to spend time on CW at the start. All I wanted
> to do was talk on phone.  That was in the beginning, but as time passed
> and my skills increased I had gained something.

Whether CW is an "art form" is subjective at best. One could argue that
anything from a good construction to a video broadcast is also "art".

I see that you are proud of you abilities on CW and phone, yet there is no
exam on phone. It is obvious from your text that your phone abilities
increased, as well as your CW abilities. This is personal dedication and
is obviously not linked to a single exam.

Yes, it may be true that if the Morse exam is removed that there would be
more people on HF initially without Morse knowledge, but I doubt it would
be true that percentage of amateurs using Morse after being licenced, say,
5+ years would be any different. If you are interested in Morse you will
learn it. Taking the position that people must learn Morse to get an
interest can surely be applied to ANY amateur activity. People who have
a passion for something can never understand why others don't have the
same appreciation, yet I don't anyone would support examinations in every
possible mode just so that we can appreciate them.

>
>   I agree that change is usually indicated from time to time. Well, we
> got it in handfulls, no-code licensing, VE testing, expanded bands. Then
> because someone decides that CW is in their way of more frequencies, the
> answer is do away with it, rather than taking on the challenge. Should
> reward be instantly granted on request?  Ham radio to many may be like
> their computer, if its running too slow go buy an upgrade.  To others,
> like me, ham radio means a great deal more. You are really the loser.
> Talk to some of the old timers.  Develop some real pride in your hobby
> and you will try and protect it.

Again there are very few who advocate the removal of CW from any bands.
I certainly don't. The amateur bands are for every mode. Having "real
pride in your hobby" is a personal experience and it is unwise to think
that one's own activities are what makes everyone else proud.

>   Because I am an Extra does that make me elite?  Well, it took me 20
> years to get there (many failed exams at the FCC).  No, I don't think
> I'm elite, just proud of what I did.  Do I deserve more spectrum--you
> bet--I earned it!  You earn it, and don't degrade the accomplishments of
> others.

Interesting that you believe that questioning the continued relevance of
an exam is degrading your accomplishments in Amateur Radio. Surely, your
personal sense of achievement can never be affected what happens now. I
can remember having a geat sense of pride when I first started work
(with 1kW valve transmitters left over from WWII). The fact I now work
with solid state transmitters putting out hundreds of kW does not lessen
the value of that achievement to me. Achievments can never be taken away
from you, if YOU believe that they were real achievements.

The licence examination should examine what people are REQUIRED to know
and continue to do, long AFTER the examination has finished. This is the
case for the theory and regulations as there are penalties for non-
compliance. This doesn't mean that you can't or won't forget, but it does
mean that ignorance cannot be used as an excuse for a breach. The same
does not apply to the Morse exam, so it isn't a suitable topic for a
LICENCE exam.

I only speak of LICENCE exams and what they should do, not "achievement"
awards which AR may issue to operators and experimenters.

> Rick, KG7A
> .

Mark




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Subject: Re: PRO - CW !!
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Don Payne) writes:
>
>Hey! We already HAVE no-code ham radio. It's called CB!!!!
>I rest my case.
>Don
>WB5IQV
>

Rediculous ... you obviously have no case.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
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>   [e-mail] writes:
>  In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Don Payne) writes:
>  >
>  >Hey! We already HAVE no-code ham radio. It's called CB!!!!
>  >I rest my case.
>  >Don
>  >WB5IQV
>  >
>
>  Rediculous ... you obviously have no case.
   ^^^^^^^^^^^

for someone so smart he can trun down mensa and copy 20wpm
code in his head  it's spelled  "ridiculous"

>
>  Carl - wa6vse
>  [e-mail]


steve the troll
in your face till you remove the curse


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (PTracy)
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In article <520ip4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]  ( Steve -
KF2TI)  Landing, NJ writes:

>>  Rediculous ... you obviously have no case.
>   ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>for someone so smart he can trun down mensa and copy 20wpm
>code in his head  it's spelled  "ridiculous"
>
>

theyur seemz too b sumthing rong wiht my speell chckur.  Can sumbuddy teel
me howz the speelling?  Wear can i get a dictshunairy?


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Len Anderson)
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Subject: Re: PRO - CW !!
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 07:21:00 GMT
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DP>From: [e-mail] (Don Payne)
DP>Subject: Re: PRO - CW !!

DP>[e-mail] wrote:
DP>>In <[e-mail]>, Rick Perry <[e-mail]> writes:
DP>>>I've been reading quite a few messages about doing away with CW or at
DP>>>least not requiring it on various levels of exams.  I completely
DP>>
DP>>I' trying to protect it ... it's you "old guard" types who are
DP>>endangering it ...  you old-timers are the ones, for the most part, who
DP>>are keeping ham radio locked in the 1950s ...  that's not protecting it,
DP>>that's signing it's death warrant.

DP>Hey! We already HAVE no-code ham radio. It's called CB!!!!
DP>I rest my case.

Better not rest.  The no-code Technician Class license exists IN amateur
radio.  It was in all the official publications.  If I can know about
it, you should.

---
 * OLX 2.1 * Remembering is for those who have forgotten.


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In <52163c$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (PTracy) writes:
>In article <520ip4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]  ( Steve -
>KF2TI)  Landing, NJ writes:
>
>>>  Rediculous ... you obviously have no case.
>>   ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>for someone so smart he can trun down mensa and copy 20wpm
                              ^^^^      ^

Pardon me, but I think you meant "turn" ... and "Mensa" is a proper
name, so it should be capitalized.


>>code in his head  it's spelled  "ridiculous"
>>
>>
>
>theyur seemz too b sumthing rong wiht my speell chckur.  Can sumbuddy teel
>me howz the speelling?  Wear can i get a dictshunairy?

Perhaps I should, but I don't use a spelling checker on USENET posts.  I
prefer to write my ideas while I'm "on a roll" and the spelling checker
slows down the progress through the threads more than I prefer.

I applogize for my fumbles and foibles ...  I often try to type faster
than my mind-hand coordination will permit ...  I have only partial
sensation and coordination in my hands due to a spinal chord injury.

And I do have a very complete dictionary ... I looked up "KF2TI" and the
definition it gave me was "jerk; idiot; nincompoop; insensitive boor;
often known to frequent USENET groups where he trolls for flames and
shows general lack of knowledge and respect for others"

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]





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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: PRO - CW !!
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Don Payne) writes:
>
>Hey! We already HAVE no-code ham radio. It's called CB!!!!
>I rest my case.
>Don
>WB5IQV
>

but that's the flaw. CB isn't a replacement for amateur radio. assuming
proper operation, the two have completely different functions...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:06 1996
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From: Hans K0HB <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: QRZ callsign database -- county error
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Postal addresses (from which most of these databases calculate
your address) do not always accurately indicate your county of
residence, especially in rural areas.  In some cases, your
postal address may not even reflect the correct state.  I
recall a fellow whose postal address was Arizona, but who
actually resided on a rural route in New Mexico.

--
--
73, de Hans, K0HB
    Liberator of the Blue Smoke, and
    Minister of Cue Are Nancy


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (charles copeland)
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In article <51si0m$[e-mail]>,
Michael P. Deignan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>       Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>>Well Carl, you just made the case for a "no code, no theory" examination.
>>>If the only purpose of the test is to "safely operate radios" and not
>>>cause harmful interference, then you can boil the entire 5 technical
>>>examinations we have today down to a single 10-question multiple-choice
>>>exam.
>>
>>If you really believe that's all the knowledge necessary to safely,
>>and without causing harm to others, operate amateur radios, then I'd
>>suggest you should put away your radios until you learn what is really
>>required to do so.
>
>How much "knowledge" is needed by CB folks to safely operate their
>radios.
>
>Now, granted, the power limits are a little different, but the same
>
>MD

Power is the BIG difference. 5w may tinkly your pinky,
100w will sear the skin off your hand if you touch the antenna.

I learned the hard way, though I thought I was safe. I was trying
to tune up a bigcatcher with an old deaf WWII field strength meter.
I had to put the meter within six inches of the whip to get it
to register (was sitting on a box to get above center loaded coil)

I reached up from below to turn adjust knob on meter while key stuck down
on 100w. Though the meter was six inches away, no direct contact, the
instant I touched the knob it seared a little round spot on my finger.
The allen screw holding on the plastic knob got me.

I decided at that point I was WAY to close.

You would probably see smoke from your flesh if you actually grabbed a
whip putting out 100w. God knows what would happen if it were 1500w.



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Actually, I think the tests should include complex math, too.

That's vague. Some folks think all math is complex. Are you speaking
of the arithmetic of complex numbers: z = a + ib  where  i = sqrt(-1)?
If so, we call that complex analysis. And that's too easy. Let's get some
engineering mathematics involved. Let's bring back circuit diagrams that
the examinee must sketch. Let's *add* some other skill tests besides
code. Let's put up barriers to keep out those who just want to talk into
a mic and do nothing else. Let's take this to .policy.

Jeff KH2PZ


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:09 1996
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From: mike jackson
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[e-mail] wrote:


>Yeah ... let's see how well the CW folks do with FFTs, FIR filter
>design, etc.

>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]

Possibly better than packet folk do wid CW OM? :-)

73... mike




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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 18 Sep 1996 18:59:36 GMT
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<[e-mail]> wrote:
>Why is the primary focus on testing ALWAYS as a means to "limit access
>to the HF bands" ???

Because, unlike V/UHF which can accomdate millions of folks due to its
short range characteristics, if one so much as sneezes on HF he could
possibly be heard half-way around the world. That 3.75 MHz we've been
awarded does have an upper boundry in regard to the number of ops that
can be accomdated.

You'll argue that if everyone used the latest fad mode we would have room
for an unlimited number of folks; but you refuse to face the reality that
we're not all going to shift to your mode of choice.  You're guilty
of espousing that ("you *must* use my mode" ) which you've condemed ("why
*must* I learn the code?")

One wonders why you're not chastising the SSB crowd for their wide-
bandwidth mode - uses more than CW.

>We need more people, not less ... but yes, they should be qualified to
>safely operate radios without hurting themselves or others, and without
>causing harmful interference to other services ... that's all.

You say we need more people on HF but you don't even have HF privileges (do
you even own an HF rcvr?).  And RF safety is *not* enough. We're the only
radio service privileged to build and modify radio equipment; much more
knowledge of electronics is needed than you are proposing.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
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>   [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>  You say we need more people on HF but you don't even have HF privileges (do
>  you even own an HF rcvr?).

I'll probably hate myself in the morning, but the carlmeister is a techplus
and he does have HF privies.  BUT, he's in the same class as U NO HOO
down south.  No radio, but can receive in his head all the nasty stuff
that happens on HF.. He's just jealous that he can't join in.


  And RF safety is *not* enough. We're the only
>  radio service privileged to build and modify radio equipment; much more
>  knowledge of electronics is needed than you are proposing.
>
>  Jeff KH2PZ / KH6

steve" the personal troll of Kar-el"



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <51si0m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (M
ichael P. Deignan) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>       Gary Coffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>>Well Carl, you just made the case for a "no code, no theory" examination.
>>>If the only purpose of the test is to "safely operate radios" and not
>>>cause harmful interference, then you can boil the entire 5 technical
>>>examinations we have today down to a single 10-question multiple-choice
>>>exam.
>>
>>If you really believe that's all the knowledge necessary to safely,
>>and without causing harm to others, operate amateur radios, then I'd
>>suggest you should put away your radios until you learn what is really
>>required to do so.
>
>How much "knowledge" is needed by CB folks to safely operate their
>radios.

Obviously, from the harmful interference complaints against them,
over half a million a year according to the FCC, considerably more
knowledge than they currently exhibit. And from the reports of
accidental contact with power lines when erecting CB antennas
(such a problem that CB base antennas all come with warning stickers
now), more than they have exhibited.

>Now, granted, the power limits are a little different, but the same
>general concepts apply.

Yes, the power limit is different, and those who obey that limit
aren't too likely to suffer a biohazard from RF exposure, as
contrasted to amateur operators who are allowed power limits
which can be hazardous (to themselves and to others). And the
radios are Type Accepted, so there's less chance of emissions
outside their allocated spectrum to cause harm to others if
they leave the radios unmodified, but that doesn't apply to
amateurs either.

If amateurs were limited to 5 watts, and required to use unmodified
Type Accepted radios, considerably relaxed examination standards
could be permitted. But that is not the case, and I would suggest
it would be an extremely undesirable course for amateur regulation
to take. That's because it is counter to the primary purpose of
the amateur service, that of technical investigation.

And note that a Morse speed test doesn't address any of these
concerns. It doesn't address an amateur's knowledge of RF
biohazards. It doesn't address an amateur's knowledge of
spurious emission suppression. It doesn't address an amateur's
knowledge of basic electrical safety. Etc. It merely measures
Morse speed, something that the lack of calls for enforcement
action against those who send Morse slowly or poorly on the
amateur bands has clearly demonstrated to be a non-problem.

The problems of concern in amateur radio don't appear to be
related to Morse speed at all. In fact, enforcement records
would seem to indicate that enforcement actions against
amateurs fall disproportionately against those who have
passed the highest speed Morse exam, IE Extras, who comprise
the smallest amateur class, have the largest percentage by
class of NALs filed against them.

Now while correlation doesn't prove causation, it certainly
raises a suspicion that there is some sort of link.  Since
there are no reported enforcement actions against use of
too low (or too high) Morse speeds, the link cannot be a
direct one. However, in as far as a Morse speed exam may
inadvertently measure behavioral factors, it would appear
to select disproportionately for those whose behavior is
deemed unacceptable.

To be charitable (and fair), it would appear that most
violations are not for actions in which Morse usage is
directly involved. This would seem to indicate that the
behavioral selection (if any) which is occurring is among
that group who see the Morse speed exam as a "challenge"
to be overcome rather than among those who see Morse as
a utilitarian tool.

This may be indicative of persons lacking a strong internal
set of values, IE persons who must have some external sort
of validation of their self-worth to hang on the wall as
proof that they are more than they *really* subconsciously
believe that they are. This sort of behavior is often an
indicator of deep seated personality problems.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Flaherty)
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Gary Coffman ([e-mail]) wrote:

> SAC started using SSB at the same time amateurs did, and for the same
> reason, Collins produced a radio small enough, cheap enough, and stable
> enough to make it practical. (It was really the Collins mechanical filter
> that first made SSB practical for installations without continuous
> technician support to keep it tweaked.)

Not quite.  The reason that SAC started using SSB was because hams began using
it a few years after the war, and discovered it was heads and above AM.  One
of those hams was Curtis LeMay; after having used it himself, he ordered a ton
of S-Line gear from Collins for SAC.

--
-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX |     "Just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum."
->[e-mail]  |          -- Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington


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From: Clay N4AOX <[e-mail]>
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[e-mail] wrote:
>

>
> >As one who works day to day with the latest in telecommunications
> >technology, I can say with confidence that in a very short time, using
> >ADSL technology, voice, video and 1.44 megabit data will be available to
> >everyone via their regular copper phone line for a paltry few bucks. We
> >are field testing it now.  High speed digital communications will become
> >so easy and cheap in the next few years, even the most advanced SS HF
> >radio amateur modes will be obsolete by comparison of cost/performance.
> >Mankind is ready to once again "jump the curve."

Sounds like cold fusion.  Are you working on that in your basement too?
I'm working on a prescription for anti-aging.  I just have to get my
speed up a few more MPH. ;-)


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>Obviously, from the harmful interference complaints against them,
>over half a million a year according to the FCC, considerably more
>knowledge than they currently exhibit. And from the reports of
>accidental contact with power lines when erecting CB antennas
>(such a problem that CB base antennas all come with warning stickers
>now), more than they have exhibited.

As do some ham antennas. Sticker included with a Cushcraft 6 meter beam:

DANGER

WATCH FOR WIRES

You can be KILLED if this antenna comes near power lines. READ INSTRUCTIONS.

I haven't purchased an HF antennas lately, so I am not sure if they have warni
ng
stickers or not Gary, maybe only ham antennas for 50 mhz and above have them ?

73, Jim KH2D




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:18 1996
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Clay N4AOX wrote:
>
> [e-mail] wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > >As one who works day to day with the latest in telecommunications
> > >technology, I can say with confidence that in a very short time, using
> > >ADSL technology, voice, video and 1.44 megabit data will be available to
> > >everyone via their regular copper phone line for a paltry few bucks. We
> > >are field testing it now.  High speed digital communications will become
> > >so easy and cheap in the next few years, even the most advanced SS HF
> > >radio amateur modes will be obsolete by comparison of cost/performance.
> > >Mankind is ready to once again "jump the curve."
>
> Sounds like cold fusion.  Are you working on that in your basement too?
> I'm working on a prescription for anti-aging.  I just have to get my
> speed up a few more MPH. ;-)

Hi Clay,

Carl didn't write that, I did, and it is quite true. ADSL uses a
telephone line and a new modem technology to provide simultaneous voice,
video (cable TV) and high speed data services.  The data is 50 times
faster than a 28.8 modem. Very exciting for

Regards,

Jim - AD4VL


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Cecil)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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[e-mail] wrote:

>Why?  Why does there HAVE to be a "Hurdle"??? We're not trying to keep
>people out ... we just want them to know how to use the gear, and how to
>operate courteously without being a bunch of assholes, right???
>(clearly the code does not keep out assholes ... just listen on 20m or
>80m and you'll have proof readily at hand  ..)

>I have no use for the "no pain, no gain" mentality ... there's no honor
>in working hard if one can work smart ...  only a stupid person or a
>masochist would value something more just because it "hurt" more to get
>it ... the "hurt" does NOT make the end result more valuable ...

Yes we are trying to keep people out! Your call for more technically
minded people will keep out those who are not. If they don't have the
knowledge they don't get in. And those who have to study all the
electronic theory just to get a license will consider the test a
"hurdle". Especially if they never intend to use the knowledge outside
the amateur radio hobby.

>>Finally, Carl. After reading your responses I think I know you. We are
>>not that different. You are a "techie", you like being on the cutting
>>edge where things are happening and you can be challanged. The problem
>>is you expect all other hams around you to be the same as you.

>NO, I don't expect all hams to be like me ... I just would appreciate it
>if they'd stop insisting that I (and others like me) be like them ...

Read what you have written, you want eveyone to have the same
knowledge base as you. Therefore, they must be like you.
>>
>>Do not devalue our Ham License by giving it away, Please.
>>

>Paul ... nobody is talking about giving it away ... I've advocated
>tougher technical tests across the board ... we just want to modrnize
>and eliminate an obsolete requirement that doesn't fit today's world.

You have talked about tougher tests. Would please give me an idea of
what type of test a new ham would take. Give some example questions,
topics a ham would be required to know, etc.

>We have more to fear from the governent if we're perceived as
>technically backward (which we are, as a service) than from a bit of
>bickering amongst ourselves over change ...

Actually, I don't think the goverment is worried about our technical
knowledge. But they will become concerned if the code is dropped as a
requirement since they will then have to listen to this thread in
person.

>73,

>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]

Paul Cecil
KA5FPT / DA2PC




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From: [e-mail] (Paul Cecil)
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[e-mail] (Todd Little) wrote:


>The "Spectre of CB" again, eh?  Please describe what CB has to
>do with the amateur radio service?  The history of what happened
>to the Citizen Band has been discussed here many times before
>and it had nothing to do with a code test and everything to do
>with the FCC not enforcing the regulations.  If you want to prevent
>the amateur bands from following the same route, I'd suggest
>you help the ARRL in its efforts to force the FCC to increase
>instead of decrease enforcement of its regulations.

No argument from me. But the FCC will ask where the money will come
from.

>This fracturing has already occurred.  It started before incentive
>licensing, got worse with incentive licensing, and really split
>us apart with the change in the technician class license in 1991.
>Seems to me that to eliminate this fracturing we need to eliminate
>our current class based licensing structure.

One license, one class?? I live in Germany currently and they only
have 3 classes. Class A - the same as our Tech - Plus, Class B - Full
HF privaleges, and Class C - no code. This seems to work OK.

>"work to be Hams are Hams"?  What's that mean?  Whether someone
>works at it or not is completely irrelevant.  It's how they behave and
>contribute that matters.

>Why?  What's the purpose of having a hurdle?  There seems to be little
>evidence that supports jumping through a hurdle does anything other
>than cause people to jump through a hurdle.  How does it relate to
>what we want amateurs to do?  How does a hurdle make a person
>a better amateur?

>> And somewhere I remember being told that "that which is not earned but
>> given freely away has no value."

>Because you heard it makes it true?  I personally have little value in
>busy work.  I value my license for what it allows me to *do*, not for
>what I *did* to obtain it.  Those that feel a need to be rewarded for
>exerting effort are free to participate in all the various amateur
>related competitions.  They'll be rewarded for what they did, not
>what they can do.

I can answer all of the above by saying YES, anything that you have to
work for , that you have to earn, that you struggled for has value.
Here, I reward you an Olympic Gold Medal for the 100 meter race. Does
it have value to you beyond the metal. If you practiced and earned it,
yes. My use of the word "hurdle" was meant as a figurtive object that
stands in ones way to accomplishing a goal. For me, the tests were
nothing. But on the other hand the Code I had to struggle through.
When I passed my code test I was elated. I had accomplished that which
I set out to do. No it did not neccessarly make me a better person,
but I sure felt good.
>73,
>Todd
>N9MWB

73,
Paul Cecil
KA5FPT / DA2PC




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In <51pgqo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Why is the primary focus on testing ALWAYS as a means to "limit access
>>to the HF bands" ???
>
>Because, unlike V/UHF which can accomdate millions of folks due to its
>short range characteristics, if one so much as sneezes on HF he could
>possibly be heard half-way around the world. That 3.75 MHz we've been
>awarded does have an upper boundry in regard to the number of ops that
>can be accomdated.
>

If we don't use what we have more effectively, we'll ultimately lose it.
The current number of hams supported by our HF bands is a drop in the
bucket ... and our modulation techniques cannot even meet those that are
required under the FCCs new rules for the land mobile services (spec'd
in bits/sec/Hz)

>You'll argue that if everyone used the latest fad mode we would have room
>for an unlimited number of folks; but you refuse to face the reality that
>we're not all going to shift to your mode of choice.  You're guilty
>of espousing that ("you *must* use my mode" ) which you've condemed ("why
>*must* I learn the code?")
>

We'll HAVE to adopt more efficient modes in order to accomodate the
numbers we must have and to meet the spectral efficiency criteria that
we'll be measured by, in order to survive the "value of
service/technology vs allocated spectrum" measurements we'll be
subjected to in the future.

With the FCC mandating the adoption of more spectrally efficient
modulation techniques in the land mobile (Part 90) bands and teh
cellular phone folks adopting them for financial reasons (more
capacity=more subscribers=more $$$), how can you assert that we can sit
on our asses and continue to use outdated technology that's far less
efficient???  And don't give me the standard "its' ONLY a hobby" crap
.. that's false and doesn't address the threats.

>One wonders why you're not chastising the SSB crowd for their wide-
>bandwidth mode - uses more than CW.
>

SSB is actually *more efficient* than CW ... in terms of information
conveyed per Hz consumed.  The fact that its bandwidth is wider than
even fast CW is irrelevant to the issue of efficiency.  To argue to the
contrary only shows a lack of understanding of the issues involved.

>>We need more people, not less ... but yes, they should be qualified to
>>safely operate radios without hurting themselves or others, and without
>>causing harmful interference to other services ... that's all.
>
>You say we need more people on HF but you don't even have HF privileges (do
>you even own an HF rcvr?).  And RF safety is *not* enough. We're the only
>radio service privileged to build and modify radio equipment; much more
>knowledge of electronics is needed than you are proposing.
>

Don't try to twist what I said into implying that I advocate a
reduction in theory testing ... I've openly said that the present
written exams are a joke and should be mmuch tougher ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:24 1996
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 22 Sep 1996 18:38:24 GMT
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In <520iut$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landin
g, NJ writes:
>
>I'll probably hate myself in the morning, but the carlmeister is a techplus
>and he does have HF privies.  BUT, he's in the same class as U NO HOO
>down south.  No radio, but can receive in his head all the nasty stuff
>that happens on HF.. He's just jealous that he can't join in.
>
>steve" the personal troll of Kar-el"
>

Like "U NO HOO down south", I never said I don't have an HF radio ...
not that it's relevant to the code/no-code issue, though ...

Actually, since you're so interested, I have a reciever only for HF
right now ... recent move from 42' sailboat in Florida to apartment in
the Chicago area has sort of cramped my "antenna farm" ...

BTW Steve ...  back under your bridge ...  if I need/want YOU to
"defend" me, I won't ask ...  I'd slit my wrists before consorting with
the likes of you.

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 22 Sep 1996 21:00:47 GMT
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>   [e-mail] writes:


>  BTW Steve ...  back under your bridge ...  if I need/want YOU to
>  "defend" me, I won't ask ...  I'd slit my wrists before consorting with
>  the likes of you.
>
>  Carl - wa6vse
>  [e-mail]

what likes, a coded HF user?? someone who doesn't whine and cry continually wh
en
he realizes he can't get his way??  Someone who wastes an important vote then
cries
"They never support my ways!!!"  Someone who can copy 20wpm in his hean.  OOpp
ps
that's you, sorry.

Go ahead slit your wrists.  one less crybaby to deal with.  Normally i'd ask i
f i
could have your radio gear, but you don't own any.

steve


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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In <52388j$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Cecil) writes:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>>Why?  Why does there HAVE to be a "Hurdle"??? We're not trying to keep
>>people out ... we just want them to know how to use the gear, and how to
>>operate courteously without being a bunch of assholes, right???
>>(clearly the code does not keep out assholes ... just listen on 20m or
>>80m and you'll have proof readily at hand  ..)
>
>>I have no use for the "no pain, no gain" mentality ... there's no honor
>>in working hard if one can work smart ...  only a stupid person or a
>>masochist would value something more just because it "hurt" more to get
>>it ... the "hurt" does NOT make the end result more valuable ...
>
>Yes we are trying to keep people out! Your call for more technically
>minded people will keep out those who are not.

The code has been keeping technically qualified people out for years and
years ...  at least theory is RELEVANT to the purpose of the service.
>
>Read what you have written, you want eveyone to have the same
>knowledge base as you. Therefore, they must be like you.
>>>

No, I don't expect everyone to heave the same knowledge base as me ...
just a reasonable foundation in how the damned radios work, and an idea
of how to operate on the air without being a total asshole like some of
the ones you hear on 80m and 20m.

>
>You have talked about tougher tests. Would please give me an idea of
>what type of test a new ham would take. Give some example questions,
>topics a ham would be required to know, etc.
>

It's not my job to write the tests ... if it was, they'd probably be
considered too hard ... I used to teach a college course and my
students thought so ...

>
>Actually, I don't think the goverment is worried about our technical
>knowledge. But they will become concerned if the code is dropped as a
>requirement since they will then have to listen to this thread in
>person.
>

Since one of the prime purposes for our existence is to "maintain a pool
of people skilled in the art" ... they most definitely *should* be
interested in our technical knowledge ... otherwise, we ARE "just
another CB" with or without the code!

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In <52388j$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Cecil) writes:
>You have talked about tougher tests. Would please give me an idea of
>what type of test a new ham would take. Give some example questions,
>topics a ham would be required to know, etc.

how about correctly coming up with the theoretically correct value of distance

from a perfect dipole antenna equal to the values considered the limits for RF

exposure for a 100W transmitter with 3 dB loss in the feed line?

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Brendon Holt <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from an amateur license (below
>30 Mhz) merely because they don't know CW, since tests with this criteria
>_are_ in place.

If it's a physical disability, then they can get a doctor (not a phd)
to sign a medical waiver.

I wanted to be a commercial airline pilot but couldn't pass the FAA eye
requirements. I accepted that and chose another career. There are no
guarantees in life that one can be a pilot or amateur radio operator.
Someone with a learning disability might never be able to pass the
written - should we eliminate that, too?

>BTW: Advanced mathematics does not require a high-school class any more than

That's a real dingball statement. Our universities and colleges now have to
offer grade school and high school level math to incoming freshmen to prepare
them for the advanced math courses. Their algebraic skills are nonexistant.

>Brendon Holt, Ph.D.  Mechanical Engineer

We've all got titles, Bren - no need to use 'em on here, though.

Jeff KH2PZ / KH6


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In <526954$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank Sve
d) writes:
>
>Steve - KF2TI ([e-mail]    Landing, NJ) writes:
>> {snip}
>> steve"the troll"  (named so by Carl his self)
>
>Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe a troll is a "small green ugly
>creature, demonish in character, which habitates under bridges and/or
>crossings and   plays tricks in the same pattern as poltergeists."  I think.
>
>They are about   3 feet tall and the figment of someone's imagination.
>
>--

Frank,

I didn't realize you'd met Steve in person :-)

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Frank Sved)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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Dr. Brendon Holt ([e-mail]) writes:

 ====== snip ======
>
> Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from an amateur license (below

> 30 Mhz) merely because they don't know CW, since tests with this criteria
> _are_ in place.
>
> Sound like just another shade of the same color to me.
>
> BTW: Advanced mathematics does not require a high-school class any more than

> one needs a class for CW.  I'm proof of that.
>
> Regards,
> Brendon Holt, Ph.D.  Mechanical Engineer
> KC5VCW

Anyone can learn CW by simple association.  Mathematics require a
cognitive ability somewhat different than simple association.  Some can do
math, some can do arts, some can do acting, all can learn morse.

BTW: does one need to be taught latin or just learn it to know what Ph.D.
means?

--


  Bye for now, Frank Sved (VE3GID) at [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In article <527pom$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill Newkirk) writes:
>In <52388j$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Cecil) writes:
>>You have talked about tougher tests. Would please give me an idea of
>>what type of test a new ham would take. Give some example questions,
>>topics a ham would be required to know, etc.
>
>how about correctly coming up with the theoretically correct value of distanc
e
>from a perfect dipole antenna equal to the values considered the limits for R
F
>exposure for a 100W transmitter with 3 dB loss in the feed line?

That's a good beginner question, Bill, but you did leave out one
important bit of information, the frequency for which the calculation
should be done. For aspiring amateurs who want to give it a try, lets
say the frequency is 7.069 MHz.

As an intermediate level question, we could ask why that calculation
doesn't assure us we're within safe limits.

As an advanced question, we could ask for a plot of the predicted safety
perimeter of a specified antenna installation (still somewhat idealized,
but closer to real world by having other objects in the near field).

And for the superduper class, we could ask why *that* isn't good
enough either, and have them explain how to really find out what
the safety perimeter's boundaries are.

They shouldn't be allowed to operate until they can answer that
last question.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:33 1996
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In <527767$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Flahert
y) writes:
>
>> >which nearly 90+ years after its introduction, is still the most spectrall
y
>> >efficient
>>
>> IT IS NOT SPECTRALLY EFFICIENT!!!!!!!!!!!! In terms of bits/sec/Hz, it's
>> piss-poor ... CW would not come close to meeting the new spectral
>> efficiency requirements being imposed for future type-acceptance of
>> equipment in the land mobile radio bands ... NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!
>
>It's more spectrally efficient than either 300 baud AFSK packet, AFSK RTTY, o
r
>SSB, which are the only commercially viable alternate technologies.

So PACTOR and CLOVER don't exist?  And if you consider SSB in terms of
the digital equivalent (say 16kbps ADPCM), it's far more spectrally
efficient than CW in bits/sec/Hz ...

>to make that theory a reality.  But the simple truth of the matter is that th
e
>moment the CW requirement is negated, the HF bands will fill up, not with CDM
A
>or coherent modulation, but with SSB.
>

So then we'll finally HAVE to start to use something more efficient,
won't we?

>> Just because you'd LIKE TO BELIEVE some mythology, doesn't make it true.
>
>Humor me.  I've been at this a long, long time.
>

So have I ...

Just because you'd LIKE TO BELIEVE some mythology, doesn't make it true.

>
>My objections have nothing to do with fraternalism, but are instead grounded
in
>the practical and technical aspects of the communications system known as
>amateur radio.
>

From what you said, it appears that it's grounded in "if we let more
people in, the bands will be too crowded (and you don't want to "share
the wealth") ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:34 1996
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In <52bdja$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank Sve
d) writes:
>
>Anyone can learn CW by simple association.

Sez who??? There are people who can't learn the code, period.  To them,
it's just a jumble of sound that can NEVER be decyphered ... just like
people with sever dyslexia cannot read because the letters are all
jumbled and backwards, etc. to them.

I learned the code, with great difficulty, but some people really can't.

Besides, even *if* everyone *could* it would still not justify forcing
everyone to learn it in today's world in order to obtain a ham license.
It's fun for some ... fine, have fun ... it's a stupid, boring,
distasteful waste of time for many ... that should NOT disqualify them
from being hams ... there's a lot more to being a ham than worshiping
antiques ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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In <5279dd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Flahert
y) writes:
>(Carl said:)
>> SSB is actually *more efficient* than CW ... in terms of information
>> conveyed per Hz consumed.  The fact that its bandwidth is wider than
>> even fast CW is irrelevant to the issue of efficiency.  To argue to the
>> contrary only shows a lack of understanding of the issues involved.
>
>This is right on one account and wrong on two.  For starters, the relevant
>metric is spectrum*space per conversation, not per bit rate.  CW conversation
s
>are simply slower and more compressed.  But they take up less than 1/24th of
>the occupied bandwidth of SSB.  In addition, CW QSOs generally run at
>appropriately lower power levels, so the overall occupancy is much lower.
>

I disagree that "the relevant metric is spectrum*space per conversation"
as you put it ... that panders to the "narrower is better" concept,
which is not really an absolute by any stretch of the imagination ...

and I didn't say "bit rate" ...  I said "bits/sec/Hz", which is a
measure of spectral efficiency of information transport ....

Just because CW transmissions are narrower, doesn't mean that they are
more efficient ...

>I'd suggest that you read my paper in the 7th ARRL CNC.
>

I'd love to ... can you e-mail me a copy as a MIME attachment?
Plain text or .PDF  ... either would work fine ... or any of a number of
wordprocessor formats ... >--

73,
Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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[e-mail]> <52791v$[e-mail]> <529do2$[e-mail]>
 <529ui5$[e-mail]>
:
Distribution:

[e-mail] wrote:

: >In making this argument, you've justified the fraternalists belief in coerc
ion.
: >The empirical counter argument can be found in urban RF environments; the F
M
: >bands are completely locked up in repeaters, and so, rather than developing
: >some spectrally efficient hardware, FM folks are bleeding into the weak sig
nal
: >segments.
: >

: The commercial land mobile people will no longer be able to use the
: current "narrowband" FM in a short time ... new radios are being
: mandated to meet tougher spectral efficiency standards in order to be

Yep... and I can see all the VHF+ amateurs trashing all their HT's
and buying ones with this new technology... (!?)

: >So, Carl, we've had five years of codefree licensing in the VHF bands.  Whe
re
: >is the new hardware?  Where are those technical people who in theory are be
ing
: >kept from doing neat stuff?  Unless you can demonstrate success in this are
a,
: >you can't claim that anything will be different on HF.

Ahhhh, perhaps because the 'new technology' and 'neat stuff' (that has
yet to be developed) just won't work above 30 MHz?  Is that it?  Yeah
Carl... why haven't all these  techno-wiz guys developed a spectrally
efficient prototype and demonstrated it on VHF+?

: elevators" ... there is no "system" ... and nothing's going to break ...
(like 27 MHz??)

: that ... clinging to 1930s technology is NOT the way to fix that ...

What technology? SSB?  That was used in the '30s!

: Carl - wa6vse
: [e-mail]



--
73 Joe VO1NA



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dr. Brendon Holt)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 13:16:00 GMT
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In article <51f6gt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (
Michael P. Deignan) wrote:
>In article <51eper$[e-mail]>,
>        Dana Myers <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Actually, I think the tests should include complex math, too.
>
>I think that's very snobbish and elitist of you.
>
>Obviously there are many fine people who would be excluded from an
>amateur license merely because they didn't take advanced mathematics
>classes in high-school if tests with this criteria where in place.
>
>MD

Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from an amateur license (below
30 Mhz) merely because they don't know CW, since tests with this criteria
_are_ in place.

Sound like just another shade of the same color to me.

BTW: Advanced mathematics does not require a high-school class any more than
one needs a class for CW.  I'm proof of that.

Regards,
Brendon Holt, Ph.D.  Mechanical Engineer
KC5VCW


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:41 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 25 Sep 1996 03:45:09 GMT
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In <521qtb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehler
) writes:
>[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>>(such a problem that CB base antennas all come with warning stickers
>>now), more than they have exhibited.
>As do some ham antennas. Sticker included with a Cushcraft 6 meter beam:
>DANGER
>WATCH FOR WIRES
>You can be KILLED if this antenna comes near power lines. READ INSTRUCTIONS.
>I haven't purchased an HF antennas lately, so I am not sure if they have warn
ing
>stickers or not Gary, maybe only ham antennas for 50 mhz and above have them
?
>73, Jim KH2D

everyone uses a similar sticker these days. was interesting in one R7 installa
tion
where there was a sticker on each of the short, thin, elements mounted near th
e
matching network to serve as a warning plus warn of a tripping hazard.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:42 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
>And for the superduper class, we could ask why *that* isn't good
>enough either, and have them explain how to really find out what
>the safety perimeter's boundaries are.
>
>They shouldn't be allowed to operate until they can answer that
>last question.

i would consider giving them the option of explaining the circuit that
performs as a variable-phase short as an "out" if they're not up to the
e-m field work....8)

and such an explaination of how to compute the antenna field numbers at
least for an ideal case will have to be part of the next generation
novice manuals...i'd better dust off my physics books...8)

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:43 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 25 Sep 1996 03:55:03 GMT
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In <529a6b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) writes:
>Brendon Holt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from an amateur license (below

>>30 Mhz) merely because they don't know CW, since tests with this criteria
>>_are_ in place.
>
>If it's a physical disability, then they can get a doctor (not a phd)
>to sign a medical waiver.

no waiver for 5 wpm...the VE's have to be very flexible but there's still no w
aiver.


Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:45 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Flaherty)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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[e-mail] wrote:

> But someone with a CW background would for some reason "be smarter" and
> do so???

No.  But someone who has demonstrated the ability to use CW is far more likely
to use it that someone who hasn't -- as evidenced by the lack of CW use
amongst codefree techs.  They are therefore more likely to make more efficient
use of the HF spectrum.

> And the "it's expensive argument is a bit of a red herring, too ...
> anything is expensive in small quantities ... but as the volumes go up,
> the price goes down, and competition always arises, which provides
> further downward price pressure ...

The counterargument is that it's ALWAYS cheaper to use spectrum ineffiently.
Again, look at the current amateur use of VHF:  in urban (read "large")
markets, the spectrum is locked up by 20kHz wide "narrow band" FM.  So I
ask again, Carl, where are all of the cheap, spectrally efficient devices
that those pent-up codefree techies were supposed to have produced?

> The commercial land mobile people will no longer be able to use the
> current "narrowband" FM in a short time ... new radios are being
> mandated to meet tougher spectral efficiency standards in order to be
> type-accepted ... we're falling behind all over ...

So what you're saying here, Carl, is that the codefree license, according to
your metrics, is a failure?   You've just postulated that we're "falling
behind" on the VHF bands, and yet, that portion of the spectrum has been
code free for more than half a decade.  Now, you wish to do the same thing
to the HF bands.  So where's your proof?

> Getting new people in in quantities is not "packing tons of people into
> elevators" ... there is no "system" ... and nothing's going to break ...
> except the hearts of the adamant pro-coders who'll finally have to face
> the fact that CW is backward technology in today's world ...

Actually, the system is already starting to break from overcrowding, in the
VHF+ spectrum, as the Range Warfare between FM simplex and weak signal SSB/CW
would indicate.  To deny that there is a systematic procedure of operation in
the Amateur Service is foolhardy.

> The utility of amateur radio as a backup national emergency
> communications system is, sadly, *already* a joke ... we need to fix
> that ... clinging to 1930s technology is NOT the way to fix that ...

Are you now, or have you ever been a member of ARES?  Have you ever passed
emergency traffic?  Have you ever run a phone patch for someone in the Armed
Forces?  Have you ever heard someone give a sigh of relief when you tell them
that their daughter is alive and well?  If not, you might want to forget about
the books and the soldering iron for a while, and do some real operating.


--
-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX |     "Just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum."
->[e-mail]  |          -- Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:46 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Neuman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Radio Regulations in Germany?
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:56:12 -0600
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Hi all...  first-time poster to r.r.a.m...

We're considering taking up a collection to buy a relatively cheap
shortwave radio for a friend of ours who is spending the next few months in
Bonn, Germany.

We've heard rumours of fairly strict restrictions about the
shipment/ownership of these kinds of radios within Germany.  Talk of fees,
import restrictions, etc. have scared us slightly.

Anyone have any ideas what kinds of hoops there are to send this to our
friend?  He's not as versed in German as he'd hoped, and I'm sure he'd be
interested in knowing what's going on back in Canada.

Thanks for any advice.  If you want, you can follow up to this group, or
e-mail me personally at [e-mail]

Thanks!

Chris Neuman


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:47 1996
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From: Randall Rhea <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Range of 6 meters on a good day?
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:43:01 -0600
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A good place to start with 6m is:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rhea/sixmeter.htm

--
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Randall Rhea                             Informix Software, Inc.
Systems Engineer, Dallas, Texas          [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Stan Korzep)
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Subject: rec.radio.amateur.boatanchors
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See 16 September news.announce.newgroups for boatanchors call for vote.

Voting to be completed by October 6.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Receive by e-mail each day,the latest "rec.radio.swap" postings.
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 23:12:08 -0700
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:49 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:36:35 -0400
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Has anyone out there ever successfullly "spliced" a vertical antenna?
   I had to saw in half the wide aluminum section of an old Hy-Gain
   mulitbander when moving some time ago.  Now I'm intrested in using it
  again.  Can one improvies a kind of mechanical "collar" to put the two
  peiced back together.  And would it electrically work?

   73 de Geoff, VA3FQA
   [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:50 1996
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From: David Wood <[e-mail]>
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Hi there Keith,

I do remember your posting here vaguely.

Despite being disabled, I have to pay the full corporate rate (GBP36).
The reason is that the RSGB criteria is disabled for life, with no
chance of working again. I have ME, quite badly, and have had this
condition since the end of 1993. However, I still don't know if I will
work again, and although my doctor was quite happy to certify that I am
unlikely to work for the next five years, certifying that I am unfit to
work for life is another matter entirely. Despite this, I have been
assessed as unfit to work 'until further notice' by the DSS! But RSGB
will not accept a 'five year' declaration from my doctor, claiming that
if the restrictions on the concessionary membership were relaxed the
whole thing would be open to abuse. I don't connect the length of time
that I am likely to be disabled for with the likelihood of abuse -
either way they could still require a doctor's letter (they won't accept
DSS paperwork).

I didn't bother taking this up with Potters Bar, as in the middle of
this correspondence, I learnt that the free membership (for disabled
people, *not* blind people) had been squashed, and was now GBP18.
Considering that a doctor's letter would cost about GBP6.50, it didn't
seem worthwhile.

I know that we've had this thread before (in uk.radio.amateur), but
thoughts anyone? And if this is going to appear in 'The Last Word', I'd
like to know about it.
--
David Wood, G0WZA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Crosswell)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: service disconnect (was 4-5 kw Generator Reco)
Date: 24 Sep 1996 20:39:01 GMT
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See the National Electrical Code Handbook.  Published by the NFPA
(National Fire Protection Association). Should be on your ham shack
shelf right next to your ARRL Handbook.  There are sections on code
requirements for bonding ground electrodes (like the kind you use for
your station ground), amateur radio antenna systems (yes, a specific
chapter for us:-), and generator disconnects.

Basically, to be legal (according to the NEC; your local codes may
differ), the disconnect mechanism has to be idiot-proof in protecting
the utility from your generator output.  This means, back-feeding via
a power outlet or by a spare breaker like I got to do in Wilmington,
NC recently (son of a Fran survivor:-) is technically not a good
thing.  I did put a padlock on the main breaker in the OFF position to
make it impossible to connect the house to the utility mains.

At my home, I've installed a GenTran, Inc. transfer switch which I
found at a local Home Depot although I understand from others that it
is not universally available at other stores.  It's somewhat overkill
but is truly idiot-proof.

The West Palm Beach-based Florida Power and Light crew, before turning
the power back on, personally visited each and every house to confirm
that generators were isolated from the main.  They cut and taped the
wires from the generator on my mom's neighbor's house 'cuz it was not
properly isolated.

Generator here is a Generac/Nagano 4000XL from Home Depot.  Very
noisy, but so were the other half-dozen generators in the immediate
vicinity.  For emergency use, generator noise is not such an issue as
for routine use (at construction sites, etc.).  It ran OK for 4
days straight (I waited for the water to subside in Virginia before
driving south with generator in trunk:-).

The most amazing thing was that among all the downed trees and
powerlines, this ham's tower up the street from my mom's house was
instact.  I guess it wasn't high enough.

73 de Alan N2YGK


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Len Winkler)
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Subject: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Live
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"World famous" Maricopa Sheriff Joe Arpaio will be the special guest
this sunday, 9-29-96, on the Ham Radio & More Show, 2200 utc. Sheriff
Joe is well known for his strong stance on crime, his tent jail (with
a vacancy sign always lit), his men and women chain gangs, the pink
shorts the inmates wear, no coffee and, of course, his possee. The
local ham community works very well with the Sheriff and has been very
helpful in many activities.Tune in to hear what he's up to next, and
we invite your participation, too, on our toll-free listener call-in
lines.
Below is further information.
Len Winkler, KB7LPW                        [e-mail]
P.O. Box 9219                                         [e-mail]
Phoenix, AZ. 85068-9219

Ham Radio & More Show (host); info at:
http://www.barc.org/barc/ham-more.html  (Home Page) (Thanks BARC)
http://www.tapr.org/hrm  (RealAudio site to hear past shows) (Thanks TAPR)

The Ham Radio & More Show airs LIVE each Sunday at 6:00pm ET,
(2200utc), on many local commercial stations throughout the country.
ALSO: LIVE on WWCR Shortwave, 7.435mhz. 100,000 watts.(Thanks WWCR)
ALSO: LIVE on RealAudio at: http://ww2.audionet.com/pub/kbnp/kbnp.htm (Thanks
KBNP)

Also available tape delayed via WWCR Shortwave on Mondays,
at 0900utc on 3.210mhz and on Sundays, at 0300utc on 3.215mhz.

Support "WOG", the Written Only General!



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Carlyle Gerde)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio Live
Date: 25 Sep 1996 07:45:36 GMT
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[e-mail] writes:


>>"World famous" Maricopa Sheriff Joe Arpaio will be the special guest
>>this sunday, 9-29-96, on the Ham Radio & More Show, 2200 utc. Sheriff
>>Joe is well known for his strong stance on crime, his tent jail (with
>>a vacancy sign always lit), his men and women chain gangs, the pink
>>shorts the inmates wear, no coffee and, of course, his possee. The
>>local ham community works very well with the Sheriff and has been very
>>helpful in many activities.Tune in to hear what he's up to next, and
>>we invite your participation, too, on our toll-free listener call-in
>>lines.
>Sounds like his potato been bakin' in the sun too long.
>I wonder what Barry (K7UGA) thinks of this former DEA goofball.
>dr
>Dave Rickmers            I'd wake up and
>[e-mail]   there'd be nothing...

 I rather think that some of his ideas are cutting edge.  Education
opportunities have produced the change in behavior that we in normal
society desire.  Shock therapy as he applies seems to work.  Unlike
most in law enforcement, he seems to want long term solutions not more
power.

  He also desires to work with volunteers rather than totally depend on
professionals.  We are finding that pros get burned out faster and
volunteers bring varied talents as well as heart to the job.  Just like
reservist are the bulk of the soldiers in Europe, volunteers we be
performing increasing portions of public service.



--
73...N9NWO


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:58 1996
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From: Bob <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Space Shuttle
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:15:20 -0700
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My kids want to send a message to the space shuttle or MIR, we have a
packet station, but don't know what the protocol.  Any help appreciated.
Tnx
Bob KA0CKF


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:27:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Art Sinclair)
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Subject: Special Event Station - Railway Museum
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                VE3MIS
is operating from the Halton County Radial Railway Museum,
Mississauga, Ontario, Canada.
Station operations by the Mississauga Amateur Radio Club.
VE3MIS will be operating from 1430 to 2000 UTC on September 28th and
29th.
HF Frequencies: 3.93, 7.23, 14.24, 18.13, 21.33, 24.94 and 28.34MHZ.
+/- QRM..
FM Frequencies: 145.430MHz  -600kHz, PL 103.5 (Club Repeater)
                  446.100MHz Simplex
For QSL send QSL and SASE to M.A.R.C.,
c/o Michael Brickell, VE3TKI
      2801 Bucklepost Crescent,
      Mississauga, ON L5N 1X6
      Canada
(NOTE: US stamps cannot be used to send mail from Canada to the US.)




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dana Myers)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.swap
Subject: STOLEN:  Icom IC-2000H from Antelope Valley, CA
Date: 24 Sep 1996 15:58:12 GMT
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Kepp your eye open - last night my IC-2000H, serial #1132 was
stolen from Lancaster, CA.

Let me know if you see it ;-)

Dana  KK6JQ
[e-mail]

--
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ, DoD#: j | Views expressed here are mine and should *
 * [phone]               | not be interpreted or represented as     *
 * [e-mail]      | those of Sun Microsystems, Inc.          *



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roger Wiseman)
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Subject:      Stop this negative thread I started...
From:         [e-mail] (zommbee)
Date:         1996/09/14
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<[e-mail]>
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How novel..you used your *own* handle instead of forging somebody else's...

In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>In article <50le25$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (zommbee) writes:
>>Let this be a friendly thread

>It's nice to know that at least someone (Gary) can offer an eloqent
>explaination on this topic without turning into a flaming CW-op
>hate monger.

It's also nice to know that a post-forger like you can't spell simple words...


>I only wanted to know who enjoys CW.  Like I said in the initial post (boy am
>I sorry!), let this be a FRIENDLY thread, and deal only with whether you love
>CW or not, not whether it is *BETTER* than other modes.  To use the 'x-mode
>is better' argument when I asked if you enjoy it is akin to saying
>'chocloate'

hehe..spell much? How do *you* QSO?

>is *better* than strawberry in icecream.  It is absurd in that context.  I
>only wanted to know if people still enjoyed the mode or not.

hmm ice cream is two words....

>Please end this stupid thread I inadvertently started,

well you obviously can't help yourself.......

> and let this hate-filled 'discussion' live in the already-existing threads.
>Sorry to all for the waste of bandwidth.  I certainly never intended it this
>way.

yeah, right!

>Dave WB7AWK
>[e-mail]
a post-forger!


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:04 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thanks Carl
Date: 20 Sep 1996 00:49:53 GMT
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>In <51do8l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Cecil)
writes:
>>
>>I am sorry Jerry but I am not convinced. You use the phrase "Code
>>Nazis" to describe the pro-coders, but I view the code as the
>>TANSTAAFL. "There ain't No Such Thing as a Free Lunch" There must be
>>some way of making someone earn the right to be a HAM. I see the code
>>as the final hurdle to graduation.You, Carl, and the others may be
>>right that the Code will go away. But what do you intend to use as a
>>final hurdle. If you give away the Amateur Radio License then why
>>should anyone respect it.
>>
>

Paul I missed this first time around. Let me straighten you out on a
few things.

Pro Coders are not all Code Nazis I have never said that. The honorific
has to be earned. You have to do things like call handicapped people
lazy, accuse anyone who is not pro code of wanting a free lunch
persoanlly insulting those with whom you disagree. If you read this
newsgroup regularly you can easily figure out who they are.

When I started out in amateur radio I was interested in code as part of
the ham radio mistique. The pro code cretins on this group and .policy
have driven me from that to end the code test activism. Fortunatly ham
radio in general is not relflected in the usenet newsgroup so I have
maintained an interest. If amateur radio is to survive it need numbers
not worship of some sophomoric hazing ritual.

                            73 Jerry


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:05 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: Thanks Carl
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:44 GMT
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In article <51s9jg$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gerald Sc
hmitt ) writes:

>Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, this is a reach even for you. I have no idea who Carl
>works for nor do I care it is not part of the issue.

Then why do you contact peoples employer, based on what they post to usenet?

An apparent contridiction Gerry.

Take care.


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:06 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
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Subject: Re: Thanks Carl
Date: 20 Sep 1996 23:56:09 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:
>
>In article <51s9jg$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Gerald Schmitt ) writes:
>
>>Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, this is a reach even for you. I have no idea who
Carl
>>works for nor do I care it is not part of the issue.
>
>Then why do you contact peoples employer, based on what they post to
usenet?

That only happens when some twit posts from his job rather that pay for
a personal internet account and then only when he posts so irresposibly
that he could endanger people with his misinformation, not mention
embarrass his employer. Why is this such a big deal? They laughed it
off didn't they?

>
>An apparent contridiction Gerry.

Chris, does this mean I'm contrite about my posts or did you mean
"contradiction"? But then you can't even spell my name correctly.
How's the 9600 baud packet? You still right about that too.

                        Adios Jerry
>
>Take care.
>
>
>Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
>Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
>E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
>AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thanks Carl
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 07:28:17 GMT
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[e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ) wrote:

>When I started out in amateur radio I was interested in code as part of
>the ham radio mistique. The pro code cretins on this group and .policy
>have driven me from that to end the code test activism. Fortunatly ham
>radio in general is not relflected in the usenet newsgroup so I have
>maintained an interest. If amateur radio is to survive it need numbers
>not worship of some sophomoric hazing ritual.

That's an original excuse, Jerry.  Pro code people on internet made you
loose interest in the code.  Very original.  Best excuse I have heard so
far. A+.

73, Jim KH2D





From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael P. Deignan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thanks Carl
Date: 20 Sep 1996 23:17:36 -0400
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In article <51vaup$[e-mail]>,
        Gerald Schmitt  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>Then why do you contact peoples employer, based on what they post to
>usenet?
>
>That only happens when some twit posts from his job rather that pay for
>a personal internet account and then only when he posts so irresposibly
>that he could endanger people with his misinformation, not mention
>embarrass his employer.

Even though I maintain this site at my house, with my own funds,
completely pay for my link myself, and in no way represent my employer
at all in any online posting, I have **STILL** had people (not you, in case
anyone gets the misconception) physically call my employer and complain
about my posts.

Just this morning, as a matter of fact.

MD
--
--
--  "Guns don't kill people. I kill people." -- T-shirt slogan
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:08 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
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Subject: Re: Thanks Carl
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In <520916$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim
Kehler) writes:
>
>[e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ) wrote:
>
>>When I started out in amateur radio I was interested in code as part
of
>>the ham radio mistique. The pro code cretins on this group and
policy
>>have driven me from that to end the code test activism. Fortunatly
ham
>>radio in general is not relflected in the usenet newsgroup so I have
>>maintained an interest. If amateur radio is to survive it need
numbers
>>not worship of some sophomoric hazing ritual.
>
>That's an original excuse, Jerry.  Pro code people on internet made
you
>loose interest in the code.  Very original.  Best excuse I have heard
so
>far. A+.
>
>73, Jim KH2D
>
>
>

What took you so long Jim I expected some inane comment much sooner.
What I said is quite true. The nasty pro coders on the internet have
moved me from neutral to rather strongly anti code. Is this the result
you pro code folks want? I think not. You may proceed to insult me now.

                            Jerry



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Cecil)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thanks Carl
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:38:32 GMT
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[e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ) wrote:


>Paul I missed this first time around. Let me straighten you out on a
>few things.

>Pro Coders are not all Code Nazis I have never said that. The honorific
>has to be earned. You have to do things like call handicapped people
>lazy, accuse anyone who is not pro code of wanting a free lunch
>persoanlly insulting those with whom you disagree. If you read this
>newsgroup regularly you can easily figure out who they are.

>When I started out in amateur radio I was interested in code as part of
>the ham radio mistique. The pro code cretins on this group and .policy
>have driven me from that to end the code test activism. Fortunatly ham
>radio in general is not relflected in the usenet newsgroup so I have
>maintained an interest. If amateur radio is to survive it need numbers
>not worship of some sophomoric hazing ritual.

>                            73 Jerry

Jerry,
You said:

 The exposure I got on the net to the very rabid pro code folks A.K.A
Code Nazis has comptletely changed that.

However, I assumed that you were talking about the exteremists.
Exteremists always talk louder then everyone else and usually drown
out the moderate people. Who actually make up the majority. In this
case we hear the exteremists from both sides and they are loud. It is
going to take those of us "moderates" to bring some sense to this
disarray and reach a common ground. That common ground is the insured
growth and health of our hobby.

Ending the Code will not end the crisis we are entering. Carl and
others advacate harder tests, is that an answer? Will harder tests
make our hobby better. I work with many officers in the Air Force and
I can tell I ahve seen a few with PhD's that make me wonder how they
became officers. No, harder tests by itself is not answer, and I
personnaly believe will lead only to a technically elite class with in
our community who will look down on the "old fartz".

While open debates are good, it must also be constructive. This debate
is not constructive. But must become one.

If have not seen it, please read me responce in the thread "To Carl
and the No-Coders". It says what I feel.

73,
Paul Cecil
KA5FPT / DA2PC




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Cecil)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Thanks Carl
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 11:38:28 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>In <51do8l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Cecil) writes:
>>
>>I am sorry Jerry but I am not convinced. You use the phrase "Code
>>Nazis" to describe the pro-coders, but I view the code as the
>>TANSTAAFL. "There ain't No Such Thing as a Free Lunch" There must be
>>some way of making someone earn the right to be a HAM. I see the code
>>as the final hurdle to graduation.You, Carl, and the others may be
>>right that the Code will go away. But what do you intend to use as a
>>final hurdle. If you give away the Amateur Radio License then why
>>should anyone respect it.
>>

>I respect my license ... and I earned it ... however, I did not think
>the CW test was a valid "requirement" then, nor do I now ... I actually
>would respect my license more, had the theory part of the test been the
>least bit challenging ... the code part earned no respect ... it was
>simply a pain in the ass and a waste of my time ...

Carl,
My thoughts are similiar except that I do not consider the code a pain
in the ass, just in the fingers :) I too found the theory easy.
However I work in the electronic field and so it should be easy. The
code made me work for my license and gave me a sense of accomplishment
when I passed it.

>>
>>And somewhere I remember being told that "that which is not earned but
>>given freely away has no value."
>>
>>Do not devalue our Ham License by giving it away, Please.
>>

>Nobody who is advocating the elimination of the CW testing requirement
>is saying "give the license away to anyone" ... what we are saying is
>that more meaningful technical tests should be given to EVERYONE ... and
>that the CW requirement should be dropped because it is no longer seen
>as relevant by huge numbers of current and prospective hams ...


>Not a "free lunch" ... more like get your driver's license by taking a
>driving test, rather than proving that you can saddle a horse ...

>Please reconsider the issue with an open mind in light of the above ...

>Carl - wa6vse
>[e-mail]

I am trying to keep a clear and open mind. I accept the fact the fact
that within 10 years we will not see the Code as a requirement for hf
privilages. My question is where will we go? And don't just say harder
tests, there is more to it then that.

73,
Paul Cecil
KA5FPT / DA2PC




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:12 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: the final solution
Date: 23 Sep 1996 02:14:49 GMT
Organization: Planet Access - Stanhope, NJ
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>   [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ) writes:

>  Does this mean you will start using capital letters and contractions
>  properly in your posts? Or does this nit picking only apply to those
>  with whom you disagree on the subject of code tests? Just curious,
>  flame away.
>
>                          Jerry
Flame away?? wow, you must think much of yourself.

Carl and I are best bud's.  we watch out for each other.  He's teaching me
to copy 20 wpm in my head.

Besides I only offer these services for those who profess a superior intellect
 and then make
bone head mistakes like constantly spelling the same word(s) incorrectly
 And only those who profess to an amateur radio type of
welfare state, where you can get a license by putting nothing into it.
I have no problem with the code tests.  It makes someone work for something
that they want.  I don't think you qualify though.

OHHH i'm sorry, we already have that don't we??  Isn't it called CeeBee??
Well 10-4 there good buddy.  Picked this here HF ray did e oh from that
there 76 truckstop.  How'm i sounding??  how bout that radio check.
Roger dee doger there

Glad to see you've come out from under your rock again.



  Back under the bridgeI go





From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:13 1996
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From: [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)  Landing, NJ
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: the final solution
Date: 24 Sep 1996 18:47:34 GMT
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>   [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ) writes:

>  Steve,
>
>  Thanks so much for not disappointing me. Your juvenile outburst was
>  more than I than I could have expected. It is really too bad callsign
>  servers are not available under the bridge. If they were perhaps you
>  wouldn't look quite so stupid. Your assignment when you get your foot
>  out of your mouth is to isto figure out why you look so dumb.

let's see...juvenile...stupid..dumb??  these don't look like compliments to me
.
Actually very regressive tendencies are being shown here.

why is I'm so dumb??  I am not the one using his old call sign.  Are
you ashamed that your are an advanced class license holder??
Must be, either that or you lost the instructions on how to
change your header from   [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
to   [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ).  Wow an advanced class license.

>
>  I guess Gary Coffman is right CW does do brain damage. Stop the madness
>  end fast CW testing.

If anything, it keeps Carl and his techno wizs where they belong

>
>                              Jerry


Just remember.. insults are the last resort of a lost argument



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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: the final solution
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:09:07 GMT
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In article <528pas$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Gerald Sch
mitt ) writes:

>Steve,

>Thanks so much for not disappointing me. Your juvenile outburst was
>more than I than I could have expected.

Pot...

>It is really too bad callsign
>servers are not available under the bridge. If they were perhaps you
>wouldn't look quite so stupid.

Kettle...

>Your assignment when you get your foot
>out of your mouth is to isto figure out why you look so dumb.

Black...



Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:14 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: the final solution
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 11:53:34 GMT
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In article <52acdv$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)
 Landing, NJ writes:

>BTW, don't take everything you read so personal.  And the word is
>ASSUM *P* TION.  If you are going to chastise someone for spelling
>make sure YOU don't make mistakes...it dilutes the insult.

>Steve
>(15 wpm in my head) Advanced class 3+ years

Hi Steve.

Just some words to the wise about Gerry...

He is a childish bigot, who thrives on trolling and insults.

He never has any good input for the group, and if he does, its after
the fact, when someone calls him on it.

The most interesting and funny things about Gerry, are the facts that he
wishes to reserve the right to speak what HE wants...but doesnt want anybody
else to have that right. Further, Gerry will call names, make insults, lie,
and back stab you...then the next day call someone ELSE an embarresment and
disgrace to ham radio.

Gerry has contacted my employeer, in an effort to get me fired because of what

I post here.

He has lied about postings I made to fit his own agenda of discrediting me, by

claiming that I post to a homosexual newsgroup, and other things.

He has stated "...I can make things very rough for you if I want."

And, "..how about if I forward everything that you post to your boss at
work..."

These are just a few of Gerry's doings Steve.

My advice to you...?

HE is the true embarresment and disgrace to this
hobby...

HE is the one who insults all of us by thinking that we are too
stupid to remember all his trolls and attacks...

HE is the newbie, that came in hurling insults, and has nothing good for the
group...

HE is the one who will contact your employeer when he doesnt like what
you post...

Ignore him Steve...hes not worth it.

Take care.

PS. I have been trying to email you, but it keeps bouncing back with the last
address I had of yours...did something change?




Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:16 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: the final solution
Date: 25 Sep 1996 03:24:46 GMT
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In <529ac7$[e-mail]> [e-mail]  ( Steve - KF2TI)
Landing, NJ writes:
>
>>   [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ) writes:
>
>>  Steve,
>>
>>  Thanks so much for not disappointing me. Your juvenile outburst was
>>  more than I than I could have expected. It is really too bad
callsign
>>  servers are not available under the bridge. If they were perhaps
you
>>  wouldn't look quite so stupid. Your assignment when you get your
foot
>>  out of your mouth is to isto figure out why you look so dumb.
>
>let's see...juvenile...stupid..dumb??  these don't look like
compliments to me.
>Actually very regressive tendencies are being shown here.
>
>why is I'm so dumb??  I am not the one using his old call sign.  Are
>you ashamed that your are an advanced class license holder??
>Must be, either that or you lost the instructions on how to
>change your header from   [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
>to   [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt ).  Wow an advanced class
license.
>
>>
>>  I guess Gary Coffman is right CW does do brain damage. Stop the
madness
>>  end fast CW testing.
>
>If anything, it keeps Carl and his techno wizs where they belong
>
>>
>>                              Jerry
>
>
>Just remember.. insults are the last resort of a lost argument

Thanks for that information and the graphic examples. Why should I
bother changing my account name it works. Changing my header to
something other than my account name doesn't make sense to me but I
understand you sometimes do this; perhaps you could explain why.

Face it Steve you made a rash assumption from my account name at Netcom
and proceeded to insult me based on that assumtion. You made yourself
look stupid and you don't like it, well TS nobody but you put your foot
in your mouth. Perhaps I did provide an opportunity but you chose to
insult without investigation not I.

Now wipe the egg off your face and get on with your life.

                        Gotya  Jerry




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:17 1996
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From: Stephan M. Anderman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: This Week in Amateur Radio #182 (for air through 9/27/96)
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"This Week in Amateur Radio", North America's satellite-delivered
audio bulletin service, for the week ending 27-Sep:
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1.   Three More Hams in Space, One to Stay Four Months Aboard Mir
2.   AMSAT Discusses Cosmonaut Activity Schedule, When to Work Them
3.   FCC Says Electronic Version of Vanity Call Sign Form Available
4.   AMSAT-France Member Wins International Engineering Award
5.   "Ancient Amateur Archives" w/Bill Continelli, AB2CA (ex-KE2XB)
6.   Weekly Propagation Forecast
7.   "Gateway 160 Meter Net Report" with Vern Jackson, WA0RCR
8.   UNAMSAT Team Returns to Mexico City, Satellite Check-out Begins
9.   Special Event Station Calendar
10.  Former AMSAT-NA President Suffers Heart Attack, WA2LQQ SK at 52
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service, produced by Community Video Associates, Inc., a New York
State not-for-profit corporation based in Albany, NY.  The program
is heard on the "W0KIE Satellite Network" each Saturday at 9:00 PM
(EDT) on the Hughes Communications SBS-6 commercial communications
satellite, transponder 13B upper, located at 74 degrees west
longitude in equatorial geosynchronous orbit.  The transponder
center frequency is 12.019 GHz; tune up in frequency to 12.031 GHz.
Program audio is on the 6.2 MHz analog subcarrier and carried on
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"This Week in Amateur Radio" is not being heard in your area.
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Further information is available from George Bowen, N2LQS, at
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Moran)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Travel with toys (electronics)
Date: 22 Sep 1996 13:51:05 GMT
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has anyone traveled domestically (US) or Internationally with electronic
equipement and experienced any security delays related to the toys you
were traveling with.

I usually travel with a shortwave radio (SONY-2010), I also take along a
hand held scanner (either Regency HX-1000 or AOR-1000) to listen to the
action in the air and around where I'm going.

I have been able to give everyone a heads up on glight delays based on
what I was hearing on my scanner..either weather, mechanical, or ATC flow
control delays.

also, when I am driving, the scanner gives me real-time road information.
If I hear a police or fire dispatch or a chase on the scanner, I know to
plan for an altenate route. Beside police and fire, I can scan all the
radio traffic reports they commonly use frequencies in the 450-451mhz area
Airline operations frequencies are usually in the 128.0-132.0 mhz(AM) and
460.6-461 mhz (NFM) area. At some airports, a trunked 800mhz system
operated by ARINC may also be in use.

In Germany, I did have a brief delay..they wanted to know how the
SONY-2010 worked. I explained...they also used a sniffer to check for
anyh traces of nitrates (explosives) I did have aproblem with the scanner
that I had in a pouch on my belt...Airport security (Police) wanted to
know what i was doing with the scanner. I showed them my frequency
lists..all were for Police, fire, and aviation frequencies in either
Arizona or Southern California.....Finally, I was able to get the
scannerhome by letting the plane's captian agree to carry it in a special
pouch.

JOHN


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Terry Keyowski)
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Subject: Re: Travel with toys (electronics)
Date: 22 Sep 1996 18:49:35 GMT
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In article <523g89$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John Moran)
says:
>
>has anyone traveled domestically (US) or Internationally with electronic
>In Germany, I did have a brief delay..they wanted to know how the
>SONY-2010 worked. I explained...they also used a sniffer to check for
>anyh traces of nitrates (explosives) I did have aproblem with the scanner
>that I had in a pouch on my belt...Airport security (Police) wanted to
>know what i was doing with the scanner. I showed them my frequency
>lists..all were for Police, fire, and aviation frequencies in either
>Arizona or Southern California.....Finally, I was able to get the
>scannerhome by letting the plane's captian agree to carry it in a special
>pouch.

I've been through security in Chicago and  Minneapolis many times and not once
 did I have a
problem with my toys.  Once I had an alarm clock in my carry-on and they wante
d to look at
it, but no big deal.  However, at airports here in Canada, I've almost had to
be strip-searched
each time I bring  a toy through security.  Had to show the shortwave radio wo
rked, had
to dial up ATIS on the scanner, had to make a cellular phone call, play a tape
, all to the amusement
of passing passengers!  And this is at a very small airport.  Grrrr.  But not
as serious as
your encounter in Germany.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Lowman)
Subject: Re: Travel with toys (electronics)
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John Moran ([e-mail]) wrote:
: has anyone traveled domestically (US) or Internationally with electronic
: equipement and experienced any security delays related to the toys you
: were traveling with.

Last month I traveled to Colorado Springs and St. Petersburg with my 2m and
440 HTs.  No problem going out of Ontario or LAX, and the security guy asked
me to show that they worked as I left Florida.

Leaving LAX, I did have to open my suitcase when they spotted the coiled
cord for my shaver on the x-ray machine.  Not a word about the HTs.  :-)

A lot of the hams on the QRP-L mailing list take their small HF gear on
trips, and I haven't heard any real horror stories.

73 de Jim - KF6CR



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Steve Kropla)
Newsgroups: rec.travel.air,alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Re: Travel with toys (electronics)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:30:16 GMT
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[e-mail] (John Moran) wrote:

>has anyone traveled domestically (US) or Internationally with electronic
>equipement and experienced any security delays related to the toys you
>were traveling with.

I can't say I've undergone any extensive delays.  Anymore, most places
do want me to fire up my laptop and show that it can do something.

Leaving Aberdeen, Scotland a couple of weeks ago I was subjected to
the most intensive scrutiny I've ever seen.  Though quite cordial, the
security officer asked me to light up every little item in my
briefcase:  pocket calculator, battery-operated shaver, mini-maglight,
and of course the computer.  The he found my "hushers" (Noisebuster
head cancelling headsets.)  He asked how those worked and I explained
that if we wanted me to show him he would need to put them on.  He
did, and I fired them up.  When they went into operation, he responded
"Brilliant!" and sent me on my way.


___________________________________________________________
Steve Kropla
Kingwood, Texas USA
[e-mail]
Help for World Travelers: http://www.cris.com/~kropla/


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James Garner)
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Subject: Re: Travel with toys (electronics)
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Jim Wolper ([e-mail]) wrote:

: DO NOT listen to your scanner in flight.  A recent report documented
: 33 cases of consumer electronics interfering with flight or navigation
: instruments; you can read about it in recent issues of IEEE Spectrum
: and Aviation Week.

        Correct.

        Even if you don't care about a plane crashing, or the slight
chance (no matter how slight) of interference, remember that YOU ARE ON
THAT PLANE, and wouldn't you feel really silly knowing that you are
responsible for a crash (even for a millisecond, just before impact)?



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:24 1996
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From: RF BURNS <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner,rec.radio.scanner,rec.radio.shortwave,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Travel with toys (electronics)
Date: 24 Sep 1996 00:19:46 GMT
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OK here my great but not exciting story
I had a camera bag padded
took the divisons out put mobile scanner on bottom of bag
put division padding on top of the scanner creating false bottom
(this was a small bag 8inX12in) it was a bearcat 760xlt
they looked at my Icom 2sra and camera passed it on I was dumbfounded
and walked past.

Key thing dont lettem send it through the Xray tell them its a camera

this was a Newark NJ

Doug




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:25 1996
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From: Jean-Francois Mezei <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Travel with toys (electronics)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:42:09 +0000
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Sometimes I wonder if those security agents stop to examine your
electronic toys are just curious and want to see what you've got :-)

I once had one start to ask me what kind of laptop he should buy :-)


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:26 1996
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From: "Peter Gottlieb" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Travel with toys (electronics)
Date: 25 Sep 1996 00:12:43 GMT
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A few times I traveled on business (construction) and my associates and I
carried portables.  Security just looked at them (remember that they had to
manually carry them around the metal detector gate) and didn't even ask,
ever, not even once, for us to demonstrate their functionality.

I would have certainly felt better if they at least told us to make sure to
not
use them on the plane!

RF BURNS <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<5279f2$[e-mail]>...
> OK here my great but not exciting story
> I had a camera bag padded
> took the divisons out put mobile scanner on bottom of bag
> put division padding on top of the scanner creating false bottom
> (this was a small bag 8inX12in) it was a bearcat 760xlt
> they looked at my Icom 2sra and camera passed it on I was dumbfounded
> and walked past.
>
> Key thing dont lettem send it through the Xray tell them its a camera
>
> this was a Newark NJ
>
> Doug
>
>
>


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:27 1996
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From: Terry Jensen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Tuning details required
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:43:05 +0100
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I have been given a ZYCOMM FM9000 handheld, which I have crystaled up
for 70cm. But I have no tuning details.

Can anyone please let me know if these are available, and where. Or
would anyone have details that they could E-Mail them to me.

Many thanks in advance.

Best 73's

de

Terry ([e-mail])



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:27 1996
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From: Hans K0HB <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: U.S. Navy CW Call Signs
Date: 23 Sep 1996 15:53:47 GMT
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Message-ID: <526bqb$juk$[e-mail]>

International Callsigns for US Navy ships are contained
in a publication (ACP 113?) not likely to be available to
the public.

These calls (4-letters starting with "N") are not
used exclusively only on CW, but on digital circuits
and also visually.  In fact, they are displayed via
signal flags when entering or leaving port.

In the case of ships which are named after people, the
callsigns frequently include the initials of that
person, for example USS F. D. Roosevelt = NFDR,
USS John F. Kennedy = NJFK, USS Forrestal = NJVF.

--
--
73, de Hans, K0HB
    Liberator of the Blue Smoke, and
    Minister of Cue Are Nancy


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (William C. Thompson)
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Subject: UK 2 Meter OPs?
Date: 24 Sep 1996 00:43:34 -0400
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Planing a trip to the United Kingdom late in September. Can anyone clue me
in on what I need to do to legally use repeaters while in country? Thanks,

--
Sgt. Bill Thompson / KC4ZUB             <0>             [e-mail]
Georgia Tech Police Dept. Atlanta GA.   <0>   The Olympic Village Police Dept.
    Money buys things, Power makes things happen. Given a choice, always
    take Power.-->Roger Zelazny         <0>     LOOK, I AM THE DAMN NRA!


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:29 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: URL Info Required Please...
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 06:17:05 GMT
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Can someone advise  where I can get the Packet program TOP152EN.EXE
from please... Thanks in advance...

Cheers meantime...
Ken Cartwright
E-MAIL              [e-mail]
Ham Radio Callsign  ZL2ATI
AX25 Packet         ZL2ATI@ZL2AB.#46.NZL.OC
Postal Address      8 McNaughton St, Waitara.4656.
                    Taranaki, New Zealand.




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:31 1996
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From: "Bart Jahnke, KB9NM ARRL/VEC" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Call Info needed Gate 2
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:01:02 -0400
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To: T E I X E I R A <[e-mail]>

T E I X E I R A wrote:
>
> The FCC sent me a form 610V but not the instruction sheet with infoon where
to send it.
> Can anyone supply me with this info?
>
> Don AC6TG

Don:

1. For regular USPS mail delivery, send your sealed envelope (with Form
610V, the $30 fee and license copy).  Seal that envelope to:

2. Or, for courier or hand delivery, then place the sealed envelope from
item 1 above into the courier pouch, or hand deliver it to:

Federal Communications Commission
c/o Mellon Bank
525 William Penn Way
27th Floor, Room 153-2713
Pittsburgh PA  15259

Attn: Wholesale Lockbox Shift Supervisor

73,

--Bart KB9NM

===============================================================
=                              |            ARRL HQ           =
=  Bart J. Jahnke, KB9NM       |     Tel: [phone]        =
=  ARRL/VEC Manager            |     Fax: [phone]        =
=  225 Main St                 |     Internet: [e-mail]   =
=  Newington CT 06111 (USA)    |     MCI MAIL ID: 653-2312    =
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:32 1996
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From: "Arlan Levitan" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Vanity calls & Something Far More Interesting
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Steve Wolf <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<01bbac5e$3343b840$3e08b7ce@no8m>...
> If you have a problem and are going to crab then at least follow it
through
> and make a formal accusation and force them to defend themselves.

Uh, Steve...what problem? I believe I clearly indicated that I don't really
care one way or another.
Good God! It's only radio...chill out, OM.

> Snide remarks and innuendo sound more like internet posts than
> hams talking to hams.

Sorry, old chap...much of the traffic on 80m and many 2m repeaters makes
even the most witless Internet flames seem like a Rhodes Scholars debate.

------------------------------------------------------

Since you seem to be well versed in ethics, let me relate a recent
experience to you. I'm interested in your opinion and feel that it's about
time that we introduce some major subject drift into this thread (grin).

I've been a VE for some time (both W5YI and ARRL) and (unlike the whole
vanity call debacle) take that job rather seriously.

I recently VE'd at a session and was presented with a 610 with the
Physician's waiver section on the back filled in and signed by a Doctor of
Osteopathy. The party in question was a tech plus and was taking the
General written exam. Several of us were well aquainted with the fellow, a
pleasant enough person, who has exhibited nary a trace of any sort of
disability in the four years we have known him. I called the other VEs out
of the room to discuss the matter. We all knew that the applicant had never
attempted the 13 or 20 wpm tests. A few of the other VEs said that it was
not our place to call the physician's certification into question. That,
they claimed, was the business of the VEC and FCC. They were not even
willing to ask the fellow what the nature of his disability is. The group
decided to pass the paperwork on, with myself as the lone dissenter. Since
we had a half-dozen VEs at the session I was afforded the luxury of
refusing to sign the CSCE or 610.

What would you have done? Was I being too up tight?

73 ES GUD DX
ARLAN KG8OW



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:33 1996
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From: KJ4WH <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity calls -- someone else eats my pie?
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 18:32:20 -0400
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Stan Vandiver wrote:
> One of my "proposed" vanity calls (W4DX) was also issued just before the ope
ning of Gate 2.

Stan,   Add me to the W4DX as #1 choice list.  I wonder how many of us
there were?

Gary  KJ4WH
Lakeland,  Fl.


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:34 1996
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From: Stan Vandiver <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity calls -- someone else eats my pie?
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Steve Wolf wrote:
> If you have
> a problem and are going to crab then at least follow it through
> and make a formal accusation and force them to defend themselves.
> Snide remarks and innuendo sound more like internet posts than
> hams talking to hams.
>
> --
> 73,
> Steve


I thought this *IS* an internet site!  While for the benefit of hams, it
does not
require a license (vanity or otherwise) to read/reply.  It also does not
require
us to be civil or use "polite radio language."

One of my "proposed" vanity calls (W4DX) was also issued just before the
opening of
Gate 2.  It just makes you *WONDER* why, if someone was eligible
earlier, they would
choose to wait 'till the last minute like that?  Perhaps, as someone
else suggested,
these people just upgraded in the nick of time to get these callsigns...
knowing they
would certainly be issued quickly under Gate 2.  If they were truly
eligible, as
previously held or deceased related, then more power to them... I
personally think
that was a good move by the FCC to accomodate those people.

I don't know any of the people in question, so I'm certainly not
accusing anyone.
But I do hope that justice will prevail on anyone who did falsify their
610V.  Its
not a perfect world, and one could easily suppose that some people have
cheated.  It
has happened at exam sessions in the past, and it has happened before
with the FCC
issuing preferred callsigns.  Anyone else remember those days... when
you could "buy"
your callsign?  You won't get many people to admit to it, but it
happened.  But so far, this still looks to be the "fairest" that the FCC
has ever been with regard to special requests for calls.  Hopefully it
really is *FAIR*... and hams with "friends in high
places" have not gotten their application magically placed on the top of
the stack.

Still trying to be civil... even on the internet.
Foul language available on request. ;-)
Waiting, with the rest of you, for a lucky break in the callsign
lottery...

Best regards,
Stan/KD9BE


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:35 1996
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From: "Tom Carrubba" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: VE Lindenhurst, LI Sunday, Sept 22
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The Great South Bay ARC hosts ARRL amateur radio exams every 4th
Sunday at 12 noon. Please note the change for the month of June.
Re-scheduled because of Field Day and Father's Day.

Exams are given from Novice to Extra class.
All exams are ARRL/VEC, CW exams are multiple choice w/ full headphones.
The examination site is in the ARES/RACES room located in the basement.
Access is at the rear of the building via stairs.  Ring RED (TOP) buzzer
for entry.

Location: Babylon Town Hall
          Emergency Operations Center
          200 E. Sunrise Hwy.
          North Lindenhurst, NY

Talk in : 146.685/r 136.5pl

Please bring the following:
- Photocopy and original of current Amateur Radio License if licensed.
- Photocopy and original of CSCE(s) that are current.
- two forms of ID, at least one photo ID.
- pens or pencils.
- Calculator for math problems on exams, no pocket computers are allowed.
- 1996 Exam fee is $6.05, please bring exact change.
  * Novice exams (elements 1A & 2) are free.

For addition information you may contact:

Tom Carrubba KA2DFO  [phone] or 422-9594
Walter Wenzel KA2RGI [phone]

Visit the GSBARC homepage! http://www.li.net/~tomcar/gsbarc.htm



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:36 1996
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From: "Richard B. Joerger" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Wanted: Heath HW8 Handbook/mod book
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:00:47 -0400
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Howdee.

I've been looking for a compendium of mods for the Heath HW8 QRP rig.

It's been suggested that I get the book "HW8-Handbook" by the 73
magazine QRP editor. 73 Mag. doesn't have the book.

Can anyone point me to a source OR does anyone have a copy they would
sell?

TIA & 73

Rich Joerger, WB4EHG
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Bea and Marvin Jones)
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Subject: Re: Wanted: Heath HW8 Handbook/mod book
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Richard B. Joerger ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Howdee.

: I've been looking for a compendium of mods for the Heath HW8 QRP rig.

: It's been suggested that I get the book "HW8-Handbook" by the 73
: magazine QRP editor. 73 Mag. doesn't have the book.

I noticed in this month's 73 magazine -- classified section -- that
the author has it back in print.  I don't have the magazine with me,
but I believe it is self-published and _not_ in the "73 BookShelf" (or
whatever Wayne calls it.)

If I remember, I'll look for it again and re-post here tomoro.

--
73
Jonesy  W3DHJ
__
SK


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Lady Robin in Denver, Co.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: What's the best study book for no-code?
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 01:54:38 GMT
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A girl friend of mine is interested in becoming and amateur. I've had my licen
se
so many years now that I don't know what the best books are any more.

I think I remember one by the ARRL called "Now You're Talking". Is that a
complete self-contained book that she could use to get her no-code, for starte
rs
& get on the air?



Robin
[e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:39 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roger Wiseman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whis is Roger Wiseman persecuting me?
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 96 17:36:58 GMT
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Well, Dave, I got your nasty e-mail. Of course, don't worry about your
"hidden" one. I already have that address and have killfiled it as with the
others so you can't send me anymore nasty ones.
Dave claims that he has several "boy scouts" who had access to his Zommbee
account, and that he had no knowledge of any abuse. Riiight, Dave, you stick
to that story. That's why you sent the cancels, eh? If what you said is true,
then it shows how irresponsible you really are by giving access to kids and
letting them post whatever they wanted.
Now, that the shoe's on the other foot, your'e being persecuted??? quit
whining.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Roger Wiseman)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Whis is Roger Wiseman persecuting me?
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Well, Dave, I got your nasty e-mail. Of course, don't worry about your
"hidden" one. I already have that address and have killfiled it as with the
others so you can't send me anymore nasty ones.
Dave claims that he has several "boy scouts" who had access to his Zommbee
account, and that he had no knowledge of any abuse. Riiight, Dave, you stick
to that story. That's why you sent the cancels, eh? If what you said is true,
then it shows how irresponsible you really are by giving access to kids and
letting them post whatever they wanted.
Now, that the shoe's on the other foot, your'e being persecuted??? quit
whining.



From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:42 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Who actually ENJOYS CW and could care less about throughput?
Date: 20 Sep 1996 01:19:09 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Bryan King <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>Learning CW was how I earned my ticket in 1980 and how I communicated on
>HF for 10 years. If the FCC had recertification tests every 3 years for
>radio amateurs, I'd still pass it at 13 WPM, no problem.  As a matter of
>fact, I think CLASS recertifications are a great idea!!  Test theory and
>code and perhaps introduce some new updated theory at the same time.


I like the idea of class recertification ... and introducing new,
updated theory/technical material ... drop the code and it's perfect.

>What
>better way to keep a pool of skilled technical talent current on the
>latest technology, regulations and theory?
>

You're going to be increasingly unable to convince newcomers that the
code is relevant ...

>
>Working towards lowering the standards by which you must still retain
>those privileges does not improve the Amateur Radio Service, it has the
>opposite affect.

Dropping the code test does not lower the standards in any relevant
terms ... since increasingly larger numbers of prospective hams find the
code irrelevant ... the only "value" in the code is the "value" that's
assigned to it by its afficionados ... nothing more ...  "we like it" is
not a relevant criteria for determining legal licensing requirments.

>CW serves a purpose which is to provide a challenge to
>those people who desire to earn the Amateur Radio License and the
>privileges that come with it.  I don't know about you, but I enjoy a
>challenge.
>

We don't consider it a challenge ... we consider it a useless, very
distasteful,  ordeal, nothing more ...

I like a challenge, too ... for me, it's designing something that works
better, faster, and more reliably ... and costs less ...

However, having a "challenge" to "overcome" is also not an appropriate
reason for extablishing a licensing "requirement" ... that's sort of
like saying ... "We can make the driver's license holder appreciate his
license more by tying his hands behind his back and making him wear a
blindfold for the driving test ... that'll provide some challenge and
make him appreciate the license more, so he'll be a better driver for
having overcome the challenge." (DUH!!!)

The issue that's being debated here is "what are appropriate licensing
qualifications?"

What (even the majority of) current hams *think* or *want* is actually
totally irrelevant ...  it is the FCC's legal responsibility to
determine the *absolute minimum* qualifications that are in the public
interest (and "the public interest" goes FAR beyond the ham community
.. that includes safety, rules compliance, and the
theory/technical knowledge necessary to assure technical compliance of
operations without interference to other services ...  nothing more.

(NO, I'm NOT advocating a CB ... technical tests are, and will always be
necessary, but the code has outlived its time as a necessary licensing
requirement.)

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:43 1996
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Subject: Will you have what it takes ??
Date: 25 Sep 1996 00:43:06 GMT
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The dumping down of Amatuer Radio; Lower the standards for entry into the hobb
y.
Then what we will have is a bunch of ill-prepared operators, when the situatio
n really gets bad.
Will you be able to operate CW, when your "new" rig died in the EMP of a terro
rist nucular strike ?
Will you be able to build "from scratch", a dipole for any band, after you gea
r & anttenas were blown away by
a hurricane ?
Will you be able to handle all the folks that need help & want info transmitte
d to a distant location ?
Will you have what it takes to operate for 24 or 48 hrs, on battery power, wit
h no help ?
Will these "new guys" be able to handle, what hams have done for over 50 yrs.,
 in time of dire need ?


From [e-mail] Fri Sep 27 22:28:43 1996
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Subject: WTB: Videocipher II decoders...
Date: 20 Sep 1996 18:08:13 -0700
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I need  to buy 250 vcII decoders,
I pay $ 35 for a 010,018
      $ 20 for a 032
      $ 10 for a "dead" vcII
      $ 40 for a "dead" vcII plus/RS
If You have one or more, let me know...
Thanks...


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:27:56 1996
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From: Brian and Sam Bradshaw <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: SWAP: Icom BC-35 quick-charger for 2M amp.
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:29:54 -0700
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Hello. I have an Icom BC-35 AC, 120 volt quick charger that I would like
to trade for a 2-meter HT amp. needs to be ran on 4 amps or
less(something like the Power Plus HL-35V), as I only have a 4-amp power
supply. one with a pre-amp would be nice, too. e-mail me with details.

NOTE: the positive contact likes to stick down. I think this is just
because of a bad spring, and is easily put back up by opening the case
and pressing up on the bottom of the contact. in english, don't slap the
pack down too hard, hi hi. this should be an easy thing to fix.

For more details, e-mail me at [e-mail]

                                                       Sam Bradshaw,
                                                          KB8ZZS.


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:27:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Charles Olson)
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Subject: Re: Repeaters In So. Cal
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 03:50:54 GMT
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-> Hi, I just got my Tech + licence and a Kenwood TH-28A.
->
-> I have found lots of repeaters but no input frequencies.  Does
-> anyone have a list of repeaters in the California area (so. cal).

 Probably the best thing to do is give a list of cities that are near
by, since there are about a gazillion repeaters in the 'southern'
california area.
 Give us a city or two and you'll get them..
     Charles Olson
      KBOVXD



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:27:58 1996
From: [e-mail] ("Anthony R. Gold")
Subject: Re: FCC Interactive on-line 610-V filing requires graphics!
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] "Jim Johnson" writes
:

> Anthony R. Gold wrote:
> >
> > Only premature filing, i.e. a filing with a filing date prior to the
> > start of the applicable Gate, will result in rejection and return of
> > the application, not premature arrival.

> I read the application differently.  I interpretted the instructions as
> follows:

> 3)  The critical date is the arrival date, not the date on the application
>     (which is the date you signed it).  Again, the instructions are clear
>     as to the fact that the arrival date can be on or after Sept. 23, but
>     not a BUSINESS day before then.  If the application arrives on Sept. 21
>     or 22nd (Sat or Sun) then the "official" arrival date is Sept. 23 as
>     that is the first business day after the weekend arrival.  I FedEx'd
>     mine on Sept. 20 for arrival on Saturday, Sept. 21.  I also interpretted
>     the rules to be that if the application arrives on Sept. 20 or before,
>     that it could (but not necessarily would) be returned to you.

No, you didn't read it differently, you just invented you own new
term of `official arrival date', which you use in place of the one
the FCC has already defined as being the filing date.

Regards,
--
   Tony - G3SKR / AA2PM                  email: [e-mail]
                                                [e-mail]
                                        packet: g3skr@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:27:59 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Lubash)
Subject: Solar Flux WWV ??
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I was wondering if anyone had a URL for the WWV 3 hour solar flux and K
& A values. I thought that WWV had a page but I was only able to find
time info.

Thanks in advance

Richard, N1VXW

-------------------------------------------------

Richard Lubash
N1VXW
email [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: 2m Wide Open in Florida
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:44:57 GMT
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[e-mail] (Drew Durigan) wrote:

>As we enjoy our first cold front of the season down here, 2m is wide open
>with tropo ducting.

>Last night, I was working repeaters 150-200 miles away with my 5-watt HT
>and a homemade dipole (made out of a pair of TV "rabbit ears"), about 15
>feet in the air.

>As of 10:45AM EDT, the band is STILL up.  This one may last for a couple
>of days!

>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

Wow. 200 miles. That's DEEEE-X. Imagine what you could do with a real radio
and a fourty meter dipole........





From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 13:57:34 GMT
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[e-mail] (Dr. Brendon Holt) wrote:

>Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from an amateur license (below
>30 Mhz) merely because they don't know CW, since tests with this criteria
>_are_ in place.

>Sound like just another shade of the same color to me.

Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from a country club merely becaus
e
they don't have money,  since tests with this criteria  _are_ in place.

Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from having a pilots license mere
ly
because they don't know how to fly an airplane,  since tests with this criteri
a
_are_ in place.

Life's a bitch, huh......

73, Jim KH2D





From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Alan)
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Subject: 24-hour Windows clock?
Date: 25 Sep 1996 14:27:27 GMT
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I am running Windows 3.1 on the computer I use for ham
stuff, and I have been using the Windows clock since I don't
have any other clock in the shack right now.  Does anyone
know where I can download a similar clock that can be set
to 24-hour format?  It doesn't look like the standard clock is
capable of doing 24-hours.  This would have to be freeware
of course, I'm not desperate to actually pay for anything.

Alan KJ5ZD



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:02 1996
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From: [e-mail] ()
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Subject: Re: do we build?  was(re: arrl survey ignores 7 of 8 wrc-99 issues!
Date: 25 Sep 1996 15:09:00 GMT
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>Is snapping ICs into sockets considered
>homebrew? I'll say "no", and call something like this a kit, instead.
>I'll snap it together but won't make any claim that I homebrewed a
>VFO.

Don't be so ridiculous, What do you call nailing a tube
to a breadboard, strapping a few caps and coils around it
until it transmits or receives? By your standart it could not
possible have been homebrewing.

Moritz DL5UH


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:03 1996
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 15:17:10 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jim Kehler) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Dr. Brendon Holt) wrote:

>>Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from an amateur license (below

>>30 Mhz) merely because they don't know CW, since tests with this criteria
>>_are_ in place.

>>Sound like just another shade of the same color to me.

>Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from a country club merely becau
se
>they don't have money,  since tests with this criteria  _are_ in place.

Dumb analogy because it is a private entity, if for no other reason.

>Hmm..... Many fine people have been excluded from having a pilots license mer
ely
>because they don't know how to fly an airplane,  since tests with this criter
ia
>_are_ in place.

Really dumb anaology as the requirements for a pilots license are
directly justifiable for public and personal safety reasons.  That's
not at all true for CW testing.

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:04 1996
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From: Gene Shablygin <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Vanity calls -- someone else eats my pie?
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 10:35:22 -0500
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Hi everybody,

If you are reading this, it means that you probably filed the
610-V this Monday, as I did ... and wondering, when (if) we will
get our new calls with less dits and unpronounceable letters.

I wonder, if anybody knows, how FCC processes our applications.
I can imagine, what a huge pile of paper they got on Monday...

As for today, I know, that one of the calls I applied for, is gone.
It was W7AA, my choice # 4, and it was assigned to WB7PJM (congrats,
Nikki!). I am interested, if all my other choices will go that way,
to somebody else, who delivered his application earlier, than my
Early AM Saturday UPS.

If anybody has an idea, how those FCC guys will handle our papers,
please advice. I hate letter B in my call (I used to have it at
the end of my first call UA3AMB -- it was miserable! 10 percent of
folks read it as D). Then in Russia I got RA3AA (not bad... I was
at the right time in the right place), which I proudly keep. I just
wondering, if I will have a chance to have good sounding call here.

73

Gene AB5GY



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Brian wrote

        all I have to say is to all of you is do what you want and stop
bringing your agurment onto the inet use personal email and not news
group because I have to say you are all the bigest bunch of wining little
babies I have ever seen.

        and like someone else said if you don't get caught it is not a
crime.


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B. swanson wrote:
>
> if you don't get caught it is not a crime.
>

And people wonder why our social norms appear to be declining.


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Trown)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: INFO WTD: Hooking computer directly to HT
Date: 26 Sep 1996 04:44:09 GMT
Organization: California State University, Chico
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     I'm hoping that someone can give me some pointers.  Maybe you've done
something like this yourself.

     I want to hook up a radio to my computer and get a digital representation

of this analog signal.  I'm looking to get white noise that I can then use to
generate random numbers and then do some analysis on the results.

     I was thinking along the lines of hooking up my HT to a A to D board to
get this.  Being more of a systems software engineer and not an electrical
engineer, I'm not up on what I need to be aware of doing something like this.

     Does anyone have any suggestions on where to look for information on this
?
Any experiences?

     How 'bout reccomendations on 8 or 12 bit A to D cards?

     Hmmm...  Maybe I should think about using a good sound card connected to
the Mic-out of my radio?

     Thanking you in advance.

Chris...

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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity calls -- someone else eats my pie?
Date: 26 Sep 1996 03:25:20 -0400
Organization: Shore.Net; a service of Eco Software, Inc. ([e-mail])
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Anyone know how to decipher tha gibberish that can be downloaded from the
FCC web site?

73,

Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1 (W1??)
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:09 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Macintosh Ham Radio Software List
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Organization: MV Communications, Inc.
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On my home page or send me an email requesting same. Its about
a 40 K text file and up to date.

73,

John D. Seney
http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:10 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Drew Durigan)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Cheap Hams
Date: 26 Sep 1996 13:55:44 GMT
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Found this over on rec.radio.swap.  Have fun!


[e-mail] (LTRRadio) wrote:
>
>Why is it that every time a ham comes into the two way shop, we start
>missing parts ? Yes I know that there are good and bad hams, but why do
>hams enjoy rummageing thru the debris box, and then leaving a mess in
the
>parking lot? Its because the Hams that had morals and respect for others,

>have all gone the way of hams building, designing and repairing their
own
>equipment. Todays hams are so stupid that they have to come to a two
way
>shop and have an antenna connector put on, or an antenna tested? I
thought
>that was the purpose of being a ham was to enjoy and understand the
hobby?
>Todays hams are worse then CBers, they might as well call themselves
>CBers. For fun listen to some of the conversation on their
>repeaters...they have nothing to talk about since they don't know any
>technology, so they can't discuss building or repairing equipment..they
>have nothing to talk other then what CBers do...BS
>And as far as cheap, there not cheap, they are plain dishonest.  They
>steal commercial equipment from sites, and equipment from other shops....


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:11 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2m Wide Open in Florida
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 1996 14:04:01 GMT
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In article <52c90a$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Drew D
urigan) writes:

>Oh, excuse me!  I didn't realize we were comparing apples to oranges here.
>  And here I thought 200 miles was pretty good for 5 watts on 2 meters
>into a HOMEMADE antenna which cost me a total of ZERO to build and
>install.

But didnt you say you were working through a repeater?

It should be noted that it is generally NOT  good practice to work VHF\UHF
repeaters when the band is up (DX). One ends up opening every repeater on that
freq for hundreds of miles.

>Jerk.

Ill bet there are others calling YOU this childish name, after YOU opened up 1
5
different repeaters, at the same time.

>-Drew in Sunny Central Florida-
> KF4DDM

Take care.




Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:12 1996
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>Brian wrote
>
>       all I have to say is to all of you is do what you want and stop
>bringing your agurment onto the inet use personal email and not news
>group because I have to say you are all the bigest bunch of wining little
>babies I have ever seen.
>
>       and like someone else said if you don't get caught it is not a
>crime.

Does that also mean if someone steals your car or your credit card and they do
n't get
caught it's not a crime?????  OOOOOOk.........  I hope you will be goin back t
o 11 meters
now.........




From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:13 1996
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From: (hi)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Help, need to modify RIT on HR2510...
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 05:27:05 GMT
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I recently bought an HR2510 and like the rig, but the smallest
increment I can tune with the vfo is 100 Hz.  There's a modification
out there somewhere which opens up the RIT to track on transmit as
well as recieve, but I can't find it anywhere.  Does anyone have the
information on this? Hopefully it can be switchable so I can use the
normal RIT function for cw operation. Also any other mods if there are
any.  I would like to use the rig for data operation as well .  Thanks
in advance...


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:14 1996
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From: "Charles P. Hobbs" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.cb,rec.radio.swap,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: CB linear amps 4 Sale
Date: 27 Sep 1996 01:08:02 -0700
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Anthony S. Pelliccio wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Larry Shilkoff  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >B. swanson wrote:
> >>
> >> if you don't get caught it is not a crime.
> >>
> >
> >And people wonder why our social norms appear to be declining.
>
> Goes along with my theory about traffic lights after midnight. I apply
> the "If a tree falls in the woods and there's nobody there to hear it
> fall, does it make a sound?" principle. By that I mean, if it's after
> midnight and there's nobody else around (most importantly there's not a
> cop nearby), and you run the light, does anyone see you run the light?
>

I don't know if anyone saw you run the light, but .. .if someone
buys one of those 5 Kw amps and fires it up on CB, we'll *all*
hear about it (on our radios and TV's and telephones and teeth and . .
.
:-)


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:15 1996
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From: "Steve Wolf" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity calls -- someone else eats my pie?
Date: 27 Sep 1996 10:25:27 GMT
Organization: APK Net, Ltd.
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> I don't know how carefully the FCC has checked for eligibilty under the
> previous gates...I've noticed a handful of call assignments for "cool
> calls" that looked suspect to me, but I'm not going to get my nose out of
> joint for something as silly as all this. If someone is nuts enough to
risk
> revocation of their license by making fraudulent statements on a 610V
they
> probably spend more time in rec.fun.lobotomy than here.

We had a bunch of "cool calls" showing up on the BBS systems.
They are either originally issued calls or close family.  If you have
a problem and are going to crab then at least follow it through
and make a formal accusation and force them to defend themselves.
Snide remarks and innuendo sound more like internet posts than
hams talking to hams.

--
73,
Steve
        Amateur Radio:          no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
        Internet:                       [e-mail]
        MSYS Mail List:         [e-mail] ("info" for title)



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:16 1996
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From: Peter Michael <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: FS - UHF rig - 2mtr rig - Ans mach - Mics
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 10:09:06 -0400
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I have the following items for sale
____________________________________
(one) Kenwood TR-7950 2 mtr rig

(two) Panasonic KX-T1450 answering machines

(one) Uniden SMU 300K 440 - 480 rig

(two) Realistic 600 olm mics - great for IP phone

Best offer or trade !     Thank you
                          __________


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: INFO WTD: Hooking computer directly to HT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 1996 19:56:09 GMT
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In article <52d1mp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ch
ris Trown) writes:
>     I'm hoping that someone can give me some pointers.  Maybe you've done
>something like this yourself.
>
>     I want to hook up a radio to my computer and get a digital representatio
n
>of this analog signal.  I'm looking to get white noise that I can then use to
>generate random numbers and then do some analysis on the results.

Be aware that the noise distribution you get out of a radio won't be
white noise. It will be colored by the filtering in the radio. This
may or may not matter for your application, but if you really need
random numbers, this isn't a good way to get them.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Donn J. Sachs)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CAT Interface Program
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 96 20:08:15 GMT
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I recently picked up a used YAESU FT-747GX that has the PC interface on it.
So I am searching the 'Net' for programs that make use of this interface.
YAESU calls it the Computer Aided Transceiver interface.
Anybody know of a site where I can FTP a sample program.
I am planning on using Borland "C" to write an interface when I get time,
but I like to see samples.
I don't need to use this PC interface, but it might be fun to
play with.

Donn
KC8CTP


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:19 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 28 Sep 1996 00:37:49 GMT
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In <52ffhl$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Flahert
y) writes:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>> But someone with a CW background would for some reason "be smarter" and
>> do so???
>
>No.  But someone who has demonstrated the ability to use CW is far more likel
y
>to use it that someone who hasn't -- as evidenced by the lack of CW use
>amongst codefree techs.  They are therefore more likely to make more efficien
t
>use of the HF spectrum.
>

By using CW???  That CW is not the most efficient use of HF spectrum is
an irrefutable fact.  That's why commercial users abandoned CW years
(decades) ago ...

>> And the "it's expensive argument is a bit of a red herring, too ...
>> anything is expensive in small quantities ... but as the volumes go up,
>> the price goes down, and competition always arises, which provides
>> further downward price pressure ...
>
>The counterargument is that it's ALWAYS cheaper to use spectrum ineffiently.

Dollars are not the relevant figure of merit ... it's an equation like:
(value_of_activity*number_of_users)/(spectral_efficiency)

Besides, the newer techologies are not inherently more expensive than
the fancy "narrow band FM" radios you mention in the following
paragraph.  Being more digital in nature, they may actually be cheaper
to produce ... they're just not being cranked out in comparable volumes
yet ... primarily because users are not being pressured to make
changes.

>Again, look at the current amateur use of VHF:  in urban (read "large")
>markets, the spectrum is locked up by 20kHz wide "narrow band" FM.  So I
>ask again, Carl, where are all of the cheap, spectrally efficient devices
>that those pent-up codefree techies were supposed to have produced?
>
>> The commercial land mobile people will no longer be able to use the
>> current "narrowband" FM in a short time ... new radios are being
>> mandated to meet tougher spectral efficiency standards in order to be
>> type-accepted ... we're falling behind all over ...
>
>So what you're saying here, Carl, is that the codefree license, according to
>your metrics, is a failure?

I'm saying that the RULES are not in keeping with the times and do not
promote technical progress in ham radio, but rather they look to the
past.

>Are you now, or have you ever been a member of ARES?  Have you ever passed
>emergency traffic?  Have you ever run a phone patch for someone in the Armed
>Forces?  Have you ever heard someone give a sigh of relief when you tell them
>that their daughter is alive and well?  If not, you might want to forget abou
t
>the books and the soldering iron for a while, and do some real operating.
>

I recently moved to a new area and have not yet gotten involved with the
local emergency comm groups ... (moving, new job, etc.)

However, for nearly 20 years in SoCal, I was VERY active in ARES
activities ...  for many of those years, I was a co-owner of a very wide
area multi-site, multi-band VHF/UHF repeater system affiliated with
state RACES/ARES and the state OES office ...  I've spent hundreds
(probably thousands) of hours working fires, floods, mudslides,
earthquakes, etc. ...  usually as NC of an area-wide VHF/UHF net
supporting Red Cross disaster assessment and shelter operations ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Pearce)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Anybody Operated From St. Martin (Caribbean)?
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 03:20:26 GMT
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I'll be vacationing in St. Martin/Sint Maartin later this winter, and was
wondering about local operating (I have received my French license, but not
my Dutch one yet -- I'll be staying on the French side of the island).

I'm wondering about the repeater (I see one listed on 146.76 in the ARRL
directory).  Is there much local activity, and any in English (my French is
pretty rusty, and my Dutch doesn't exist)?  What kind of coverage does it
have?

I will attempt to tote an HF station (the Icom 706 is easy... the power
supply is another matter, and I know I'll need a 220 volt primary).  Any
suggestions?

Thanks and 73,
Gary KN4AQ
--

Gary Pearce             Avid/Video Editor       Internet:[e-mail]
116 Waterfall Ct.       Franklin Video
Cary, NC 27513          Raleigh, NC
919-380-9944            919-833-8888            Ham Radio: KN4AQ



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: 28 Sep 1996 04:00:57 GMT
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Jim,

You are so cranked that you lost me about half way through your tirade!

You only have a "problem" if Mellon Bank stamped your 610V "REVD
09/20/96"

And even then, the FCC may cut you some slack and enter you as a "legal"
gate 2 for Monday.

Your mistakes include assuming that personal checks have to clear (they
don't), and that FedEX can't deliver anything early (they DO!).

My "Next Bussiness Morning" FedEx went out Friday and was signed for on
Monday at 9:30am by the mysterious "Lock Box Supervisor (FedEx actually
gave me a name)."

Looks like we all have a 1 in 5 chance.  Keep your fingers crossed.

73 =paul= wb8zjl <-----watch this space



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Digital/Analog HF Receiver Design
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Hey, Jim, don't let these guys get you down.  They're in a purgatory of
>frustration at the moment, having good theory but lacking the elemental
>building block of an adequate (24 bit, 90 MHz) A/D converter for HF.

Not so. Sony has the AD9040, which is cascadable to 24 bits.
It was developed for HDTV digital video recorders, 230 Mbps.
Ok, it is $165 *now*, and you have to cascade three of them,
but that'll come down as it goes into volume production. The
problem then becomes a DSP fast enough to deal with all the
data it produces if you insist on doing direct to digital
instead of I/Q sampling. I don't think direct digital will
be viable for some time to come.

>Although you can subsample with lesser converters, that only begs the
>question since the desired signal must be known to be bandlimited
>adequately or you get tons of garbage.  Without preselection (which is
>why it begs the question) subsampling will not do wideband .5 - 30
>MHz... The logical question is "When will the desired A/D converter be
>available?"  I am still waiting for that answer!

You have it. But who says preselection isn't possible? Hell, my
old Drake 2B had it, why can't I put some in front of a synchrodyne
I/Q DSP receiver? I don't need a whole lot, just enough to keep the
diode ring mixers from generating cross modulation products. The
brickwall filters are at baseband in the I and Q channels. They don't
have to be tunable.

This answers your objections completely. The sample rate for the
I and Q channels only has to be 2x the passband of the receiver,
and that's an audio rate. Now we have DSP chips that can handle
that.

>The EM interference at 900 MHz is not to be compared with that
>at HF.  That is one reason that this PCS gear can be made for $1.98 -
>the required distortion performance is a lot less.  I worked on an HF
>receiver/preselector that had to deal with 100V 10% off-frequency.  I
>have also worked with with HF full duplex, and its essentialy unsolved
>co-location problems.  I don't think UHF has many equivalent
>situations.

That's certainly tough. However, within 10% bandwidth at many urban
sites there may be 12 or more 350 watt transmitters co-located with
my equipment and with their antennas separated by only a few feet from
mine. At one site here, I get 20 watts reflected on the Bird with my
transmitter OFF. That's within 20 db of the situation you describe.

>Another advantage is that the problem to be solved at 900
>MHz is narrowband.  Compare the %BW at 900 MHz with the multioctave BW
>at HF, and it's a different ballgame for many system blocks, such as the
>synthesizer, front-end filtering, spurious management, etc.  The IQ
>crowd always seem to wind up with a fixed IF to work with -- it must be
>nice.  Note that in every instance they rely upon analog techniques to
>give them that fixed IF.

I and Q are *baseband*. I don't know how you got some other impression.

>Come to think of it, I'm not sure but as I
>recall 24 bit A/D technology is stuck somewhere down around a sample
>rate of 10 Hz or so.  Maybe more.  I dunno.

Obviously not. Successive approximation converters can be that slow,
but flash converters certainly aren't. Fast 8-bit flash converters have
been common for a while, but cascadable flash converters have not.
No more. Silicon exists. It takes three clocks to get a complete
sample conversion, but there's speed to burn with the new chips
developed for HDTV.

There is another way too, and it looks cheaper for now. I can use a
1-bit converter and oversample. I have to oversample really fast to get
24 bits, of course. I'm researching that now.

>There is one thing which could make the whole discussion moot, at least
>to the point of a new receiver design which would at least equal the
>performance of current designs.  That would be if a filter were
>available which could be tuned and which would provide the desired
>ultimate selectivity across the HF range at the antenna.  In other
>words, a 2.7 KHz "ideal" filter which could be tuned from .5 to 30 MHz
>for SSB voice, for example.  That would mean that the only signal
>present would be the desired signal.  And that would mean that optimum
>receiver architecture would be completely redefined.  The common
>problems of today would be in many cases nonexistant.  There would no
>longer be a need for superheterodyning, since the initial problem it
>solved was to get the desired signal to a low enough frequency (while
>retaining performance) so that the desired selective filter could be
>made.  So the HF problem would start to look a little more like 900 MHz,
>eh?  One could then use some simple down-conversion technique and be
>done with it.  This filter may come about before the aforesaid A/D
>becomes available.

You seem confused between I/Q synchrodyne receivers and direct
sampling receivers. You can't get I/Q by direct sampling. (Well,
Ok, you can, but that's a bizzare way to do I/Q.) Anyway, an I/Q
receiver does its brickwall filtering at I/Q baseband and then
samples that for DSP processing. It's not *super*hetrodyne
technique, it is *synchro*dyne technique. If you don't think
that can work at HF, tell all the R2 receiver users. Those
little opamps seem to be able to handle the filtering chores
nicely (but not as nicely as we can in DSP).

Here's what I'm doing now. I take the I and Q outputs of the
R2 mixers and feed them into the Analog Devices EZ-Kit DSP
board. The codec there has the necessary brickwall filtering
and samples the signals at 44 kHz. I take the codec outputs,
do a Hilbert transform on one channel while delaying the other
channel an equal number of clock cycles. Then I use identical
FIR filters on I and Q and combine the outputs of the two
filters. That gives me recovered and demodulated SSB. By
switching the Hilbert transform routine to the other channel,
I can get the other sideband. By manipulating the coefficients
of the FIR filters, I can vary the passband response to any
filter shape I want.

I can do other things with I and Q as well, I can
demodulate QPSK for example. That's my main focus.

Of course since the codec on the board is only 16-bits, I don't
get the dynamic range I want, presently only 48 db (though I
have 30 db more in software controllable gain in the codec).
But as noted above, that won't remain a problem much longer.
And just as well that I'll be going to separate converters
because the stereo codec I'm using now only has 80 db of
channel to channel isolation, and that's not going to be
enough when I go to 24 bits.

I will need a DSP with wider registers to handle 24 bits,
and a faster clock wouldn't hurt, I'm running out of
processor cycles. Fortunately that exists, but it is still
a bit expensive.

(Of course if I were a better DSP programmer I probably
could do this much more efficiently. At present I'm just
a cut and paste hacker of a rather crude sort. A real DSP
programmer should be able to make this thing sing.)

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:24 1996
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From: [e-mail] (bob puharic)
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[e-mail] (John Moran) wrote:

>has anyone traveled domestically (US) or Internationally with electronic
>equipement and experienced any security delays related to the toys you
>were traveling with.

scanners are illegal in some states so check the laws before you go.
On overseas stuff, i once carried a brief case full of semiconductor
lasers thru customs....they were searching the guy ahead of me, and
just asked what i was carrying. when i told them, they let me thru!



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:28 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: ARRL "Representation" on code and other issues
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In article <52bg72$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark Ca
rter) writes:
>
>Well, consider this.  A 2m FM HT in Canada costs c.$400.  An actual
>TNC costs about the same(at only 1200 baud!).  That's $800, plus you need
>a computer.  I'm sorry, but anybody with a computer and $800 in their
>pocket is much more likely to spend $200 on a 33.6kbps modem, get on the
>Internet, and keep the extra $600.

If you have a computer, why would you buy a TNC? You can decode
Bell 202 with your sound card, or with one of those one chip Baycom
thingies that you can slap together for about $5, and the protocol
is easily implemented in software. Cost so far, zero to $5. And while
I guess you could spend $400 for a new HT, why would you do that? A
HT is exactly the *wrong* kind of radio to do packet. A $50 Motorola
Maxar or GE MVP retrieved from surplus is a much better choice. So
you can get on packet for $50. With a bit more soldering and tinkering,
you can have 9600 baud for maybe $30 more in parts. So much for the
cost argument.

>As for satellite or SSB work, an all-mode VHF/UHF rig costs more than a new
>computer.  I think the point I'm making there is painfully obvious.

Yeah, the only way you know how to be a ham is with a credit card
and an 800 number.

You want all mode cheap? Start with a fleamarket SSB CB, cost $25-$50,
and build a transverter, parts cost under $75, and homebrew a beam,
cost for materials, about $5. This isn't rocket science, and hams
have been scroungers, modifiers, and builders from day one. It's what
we *do*.

>Rig manufacturers need to cut their prices in half, and then do it
>again.  The reason there's so many codeless hams that are inactive is
>because the equipment is so damned expensive.

No, it's because the only way you can imagine how to be a ham is with a
credit card and 800 number.

>Even spending $400 to talk
>voice to the local guys is almost a waste of money, since(apart from
>local voice being booooring) they all meet every day to talk to each
>other face to face at a local donut shop...

Well, I can't help you there. The only way to make talking to the
locals interesting, is to talk about interesting things. And the
best way to do that is to be *doing* interesting things, like
figuring out ways *not* to blow $400 on a Gameboy handi scratchie.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Cecil Moore wrote:
>> Thomas Foster wrote:
>> > The point is that CW is a very *popular* means of
>> > communication. I suspect that it's popular because it's fun to use, and
>> > it's still an *effective* means of communication. If CW were not
>> > effective, few people would want to use it. I know I wouldn't. But just
>> > listen to the many CW QSOs on the HF bands!
>>
>> I would conclude from the above that people would choose to learn and use
>> CW even if a CW test were not required. So the above is an argument for
>> removing the CW test since people would flock to such an effective means
>> of communication anyway. If CW is truly attractive and effective then there
>> is no reason to use the threat of force from the feds to try to give CW an
>> artificial advantage over the other modes.
>
>Cecil,
>
>Because developing the skills needed to receive code is much more
>difficult than learning theory, if given the choice most hams would
>probably elect not to attempt it (Well, actually they do have a choice,
>but not on the HF bands). The ham who has never learned and used the
>code on the air will never realize the attractiveness of the mode.

That presupposes that Morse is attractive. Beauty is in the eye of
the beholder, and I for one find Morse very definitely unattractive,
in fact I find it downright ugly in its inefficiency. Being coerced
by government to take a speed test, and using it on the air, didn't
change that opinion, it *formed* it. Before starting to study for
my amateur license back in 1963, I naively thought the idea of Morse
was kind of neat. It was only after going through the process that I
realized how ugly it really was.

Almost half (44%) of current licensees seem to share my opinion, because
they told the ARRL (on its survey) that they *never* use Morse. Of the
remaining 56% who do, at least ocasionally, use Morse, we don't know
how many find it attractive and how many find it a nuisance that they
put up with because counting coup requires them to use it, IE they use
it for Dx gaming.

>> I assume this is true of all pro-coders and even true of the
>> pro-code-testers. I just wonder if the pro-code-testers feel, really
>> deep down, that CW is inferior, not attractive, and not effective and
>> would disappear without government subsidy. Is it protected because it
>> is a useful mode or is it simply another endangered species?
>>
>> 73, Cecil, W6RCA  (not speaking for my employer)
>
>Cecil, I admit that part of the reason I am a proponent of the CW
>requirement is to preserve it, for I fear that without some requirement
>to learn it, it will become "an extinct species."

Well, at least that's honest, and a refreshing change from the bogus
reasons advanced by most of the pro-code test crowd. I disagree, of
course. I think each method should stand on its own merits in open
competition. Let the best method win. That's how we "improve the breed".

Part of the cost of Morse is the wetware conditioning required,
and the government speed tests serve to neutralize that cost by
requiring even those who would use other less costly methods to
pay it. That is effectively an artificial subsidy to Morse, just
as a protective import tariff is a subsidy to inefficient domestic
manufacturers, and makes the competition uneven. Worse, it removes
the incentive to lower costs and makes all of us pay a higher than
necessary price.

Without that subsidy, I think you are correct that Morse would,
if not become extinct, at least become much less used. I would
not be surprised, or disappointed, if it became like AM, something
people tinker with only for nostalgic reasons. I believe that's
as it should be.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Richard Kendrick)
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bruce muscolino <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The HW-8 Handbook was compiled and published by Mike Bryce.  Mike is an
>avid and active QRPer.  The book covers both the HW7 and HW8.  It has
>been through two editions.  I believe you can still buy it from Mike.
>Mike is the QRP editor of 73 Magazine and the Publicity Chairman of the
>QRP Amateur Radio Club International (QRP-ARCI).  I'm sorry I don't have
>Mike's address handy, but you can write to him at the address given in
>his 73 Magazine column.

>73,

>Bruce -- W6TOY/3
>QRP, Really! (c)

Mike Bryce can be contacted at 2225 Mayflower, N. W., Massillon, OH 44710.

An excellent book. I have it myself and won't even loan it out for fear it wil
l
never return.

Richard

Richard Kendrick CET WA7TWI           |
Amateur Radio Extra Class             |  Do not adjust your mind, there
QRP #4129/G-QRP #8591/MI-QRP #M-1412  |  is a fault in reality.
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>... try this book: _Digital Modulation and Coding_ by Stephen Wilson.
>Dr. Wilson will lead you from the crudest modulation, OOK, on up to
>the more modern modulations...

Oh I don't know, AM is pretty crude, yet it's still used worldwide by
broadcasters and aircraft.

KH2PZ


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James W. KELLEY <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dear Mr. Morse,
>Nice to meet you.  I thought you were dead.

No need to get nasty, Jim.

>I like your suggestion, but
>nowadays there are a too many signals being transmitted for such a
>receiver to operate with adequate selectivity.  But your right, they worked
>pretty good back in your day.

The ear and mind work very well together in filtering adjacent frequency
crud. During my Coast Guard days, the every 6 hour worldwide pile-up
(ships passing WX) on the HF maritime frequencies was scary for the
new op, but in a short time he could mentally filter everything so as
to copy just the calling ship.

Moistware - use it, or lose it.

KH2PZ



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Carl and Gary continue to blow all the others out of the water with

their honest answers in the debate.Thanks guys.

73 steve

51.33% of U.S. hams are technicians!


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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
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In <52i23a$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.ne
t writes:
>Monday the 23rd I called the US Post Office number to check to see
>when it was delivered. "Package delivered Friday". WHAT? How could
>that happen? This is a bad dream. Not bad enough I guess.

the delivery company's job is to get the package there ASAP. probably had
enough special requests for gettysburg, that i can see enough mass in place
to force a special run just to clear the docks.

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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In <52jach$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Flanders) writes
:
>
>>What would you have done? Was I being too up tight?
>
>>73 ES GUD DX
>>ARLAN KG8OW

yes, you were. go read the rules on what's required for 5 WPM flexibility
if you worry about waivers...

>Would it have been possible to: Attach a cover letter, clearly
>explaining the situation, giving names and addresses of witnesses to
>the applicants actual physical condition, and stating your suspicions
>clearly and succintly, while recommending that this applicant be
>required to undergo a different physician's examination, somewhat like
>a ham might be re-examined if questions arose about his VE examiner?

probably could..

>Is there any rule preventing such a cover letter? Would there be any
>concern that an applicant might sue a legally unprotected VE over such
>a letter, claiming some sort of slander? Wasn't there a plan to
>legally insulate VEs from such liability? How did that turn out?

don't think it's in place yet...

>Unless the VE has some recourse, we will be flooded by bogus
>applicants.

hasn't happened here...in the few cases we've had come through, we check to
see that the doc is a real doc and if there's a snag we report that, but the
paperwork will go in.

>What does the ARRL VE boss say about this?

you give the writtens, fill out the forms as specs in the VE manual. send
in the completed paperwork.

>Jerry   W4UKU  South Carolina

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



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From: [e-mail] (Roy Lewallen)
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Subject: Re: 4-5 kw Generator Recommendations??
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:

>. . .

>Our broadcast group operates 92 generator equipped vehicles.

>. . .
>Being in TV news use, these vehicles spend a good amount of time
>in disaster areas, particularly the satellite trucks. They routinely
>chase hurricanes, go to the site of tornado damage, aircraft crashes,
>etc.

>. . .

>Gary
>--
>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |  You make it,   | Due to provider problems
>Destructive Testing Systems |  we break it.   | with previous uucp >addresses
>534 Shannon Way             |  Guaranteed!    | Email to [e-mail]
>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                 |

That must really go over great at an aircraft crash site or tornado damage sit
e
-- all the trucks painted with big letters saying "You make it, we break it.
Guaranteed!"

;)

Roy Lewallen, W7EL




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[e-mail] (Craig Welch) wrote:


>Which ng? You have posted to:
actually I have possted to a lot more than that but I don't think that
I said that I posted it.  If that is what i wrote it is wrong.
someone else posted it.  I only read it


>I haven't seen any such list, and *every* airline with which I fly my
>300,000+ per year *specifically* excludes such toys.
have you flown with every airline?

>I can't argue with that. But again, I make the point that if it's
>against the airline's rules, you shouldn't be using them.

can't argue there.  I am not saying use them.  I simply stated that I
saw a list that showed airline that WOULD let you use them





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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kehler)
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[e-mail] wrote:

>>The point is that CW is a very *popular* means of communication.

>Doesn't matter one damned bit!!! Popularity does NOT make it a
>legitimate licensing requirement.

That is correct. The FCC made it a licensing requirement, not popularity.

>>I suspect that it's popular because it's fun to use, and
>>it's still an *effective* means of communication.

>To *YOU* ... not to me, nor to many others ...

Oh well. Some people like sky diving and some people don't.

>>Thousands of hams throughout the world enjoy conversing in a "language"

>It's NOT a F___ing language!!! It's ONLY an old, inefficient means of
>encoding text into on/off keyed signals.  NOTHING MORE ...

Sure it is a F____ing language.  But only to those of us who *understand*
it.....  Chinese is a language to people in China, but not to me. To me, it's
just noise.  Sounds like geese F___ing. But to them, it's a language.
But we can't make all the Chinese people in the world speak English just
because I don't understand Chinese, can we Carl ?  And we can't make
all the hams in the world stop taking CW tests and using CW just because you
don't understand dits and dahs......

>>It's a skill obtained through many hours of intense concentration and
>>practice.

>Many of us have better things to do with our time and energy than to
>waste it on something that we have NO intention of EVER using, just to
>please you and your associates that you've successfully forced us to
>jump through your stupid hoop like some damned dog!

Well, then go do them. You are not being forced to jump thru any hoops.
We are perfectly content for you to stay on 2 meters.  We have plenty of
other  people to talk to on HF.  Hoop jumping is not mandatory. It's optional.

>Remember ... just because *you* like it does not a valid licensing
>requirement make ... not even if the majority of hams like it ... which
>is highly dubious ...  I don't and I know many, many who don't ...

And I know many who do. But they are just as irrelevant to the testing
requirements as those you know who don't.  Doesn't matter who likes
it or doesn't like it, as long as the FCC thinks we need to take CW tests,
those of us who want to get on HF will continue to take them.

That's just the way it is.  It's da rules.

73, Jim KH2D







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                        VK2KFU's List of Notable Amateurs

Have you worked any of these?

Now on the Web! See my list's Web page (courtesy WIA NSW) under:
"http://sydney.dialix.oz.au/~wiansw/lona.html". Because it's now in
HTML, the format may have changed; expect a number of spurious "diffs".

This is a list of the "notable" Amateur callsigns that I have been
gathering since 1992.  I would appreciate any updates; send them to
[e-mail]. Of course, "notable" is purely in the eye of the beholder;
I consider it as someone in the (non-Amateur) public eye. As an aside,
I suppose I should mention that I hate the word "ham"; I prefer "Amateur"
instead.

Another way of putting it is: "Did you know that XXX is/was an Amateur?"
when explaining to someone what Amateur radio is all about. Thus, people
like Monk Apollo would be regarded as notable (who would think that a
monk would be an Amateur, although few people outside of the Amateur
community would have heard of him); or somebody in the public eye not
suspected of being an Amateur. Note that I have deliberately left out
the current crop of Astronauts, as an Amateur ticket doesn't seem to be
a novelty any more (now it seems to be a requirement); instead, I will
mention the first from each country in space.

These calls have been gleaned from various places: amateur magazines,
USENET postings, and straight-out rumour... It is probably out of date,
and most likely contains errors; however, over time it should develop
into an accurate list, suitable for PR purposes.

Please note that I have no way of authenticating most of these entries;
many seem to have been obtained by trawling the callbook server for
likely names (and subseqently excised). If you do this, then please
double-check the entry; for example, I don't know the actor Andy Griffith
from a bar of soap, but I'm told he's in his 60s (unless he's pushing
up daisies) so he can't be the one in the callbook.

Following some criticism from someone who shall, for the moment, remain
nameless, I'd like to say that this list is as accurate as the submissions
I receive; if someone sends me a "duff" entry, I will accept it in good
faith, so don't send me entries unless you know they are OK, OK?

This compilation is Copyright (C) Dave Horsfall VK2KFU, 1992-1996.
Reproduction in part or whole permitted if the source is acknowledged.
Feel free to link to <A HREF="http://sydney.dialix.oz.au/~wiansw/lona.html">
VK2KFU's List of Notable Amateurs</A> but please let me know if you did.

Thanks to all who contributed - I tried to acknowledge each one. Special
thanks to "The Canadian Amateur" and Jim W6CF for many contributions.

Also thanks to Jan-Martin Hertzsch for the info on RAEM, and Piotr Ochwal
SP9TNM, for the info on the martyr SP3RN.

7L2NJY          Dr Mamoru Mohri, Japanese astronaut
7Z500 (?)       Prince Khaled Bin Sultan Bin Adulaziz Al Saud
9K2CS           Prince Yousuf Al-Sabah
9M2TR           Tunk Abdul Rahman, first Premier of Malaysia
9N1MM           Father Marshall Moran, missionary (SK)
A41AA           Qaboos Bin Said Al-Said, Sultan of Oman
AC3PT           King Palden Thondup Namgyal, former king of Sikkim (SK)
CN8MH           Moulay Hassan, former King of Morocco
CP1CL           Dr. Hugo Banzer, past President of Bolivia
DP3MIR          Dr Ulf Merbold, astronaut
EA0JC           Juan Carlos, King of Spain
EP1MP           HIH Prince Mohmud Pahlavi, former Prince of Iran
FO5GJ           Marlon Brando aka Martin Brandeaux, actor
G0MSL           James ?, town crier
G2DQU           Lord Rix (formerly Sir Brian), former actor and charity head
G3EUJ           Gillie Potter, comedian (The Squire of Frogmorton) (SK)
G3RJV           Reverend George Dobbs, Vicar of ??? (and G-QRP club exec)
G3TZH           Tony Dolby, brother of "the" Dolby
G3YLA           Jim Bacon OBE, weatherman
G4CEZ           Bill Kitchen, 1956 world champion speedway rider (SK)
GB1MIR          Helen Sharman, astronaut
HK6LT           Luz Marina Zuluaga, Miss Universe 1959
HS1A            Bhumiphol Adulayadej, King of Thailand
HS1LY           Prince Titiphan of Thailand
HZ1SH           Prince Faisal Bin Mishaal As Saud
HZ1TA           Prince Talal bin Abdulaziz of Saudi Arabia
I0FCG           Francesco Cossiga, former President of Italy
JA1MP           Sako Hasegawa, founder of Yaesu (SK)
JY1             King Hussein of Jordan
JY2             Queen of above
JY2RZ           HRH Prince Raad Ibn Zeid
K0DWC           Lt. Gen. Francis "Butch" Griswold, colleague of Curtis LeMay
K0HWY           Tex Beneke, band leader
K1JT            Dr. Joseph Taylor Jr, 1993 Nobel Prize winner in Physics
K1OKI           Mickey Schulhof, head of Sony US
K2HEP           John Sculley, former CEO of Apple and Pepsi (lapsed)
K2ORS/4         Jean Shepherd, author
K2SSQ           Henry Feinberg, designed and built E.T.'s communicator
K4LIB           Arthur Godfrey, TV performer (SK)
K4TPJ           David Funderburk, member USA House of Reps
K4ZVZ           Paul Tibbets, pilot of "Enola Gay"
K6DUE           Roy Neal, television reporter
K6IR            Ken Miller, QCWA distinguished service, company executive
K6RFU           Albert Glasser, scores feature films (eh?)
K7TA            Clifford Stoll, author ("Cuckoo's Egg") & astronomer
K7UGA           Senator (US) Barry Goldwater (ret)
K8LAP           Bandel Linn, talk radio host
KA6HVA          Burl Ives, singer (SK)
KA6UXR          Dr. Alex Comfort, author of "The Joy of Sex"
KA7EVD          Donnie Osmond, entertainer (lapsed; no, he's not in the book)
KB2GSD          Walter Cronkite, former news anchor
KB6LQR          Jeana Yeager, Voyager '86 pilot
KB6LQS          Dick Rutan, Voyager '86 pilot
KB6OLJ          Paul J Cohen, mathematician
KB6ZV           Judge Rodney Stafford, temporary ARRL President
KB7LPW          Len Winkler, radio talk show host
KD4WUJ          Patty Loveless (Patricia Ramey), country singer, XYL of W4WRO
KE6MCM          Hugh Downs, TV compere ("Concentration") (form. KD6WUS)
KG7JF           Jeff Duntemann, author and publisher of Coriolis Group
KH6IJ           Katashi Nose, radio columnist and former physics professor (SK
)
KI6M            Stu Gilliam, comedian
KN4UB           Larry Junstrom, rock musician (bass player in .38 Special)
KX2Z            Tony Bongiovi, cousin of Jon Bon Jovi
LU1SM           Carlos Saul Menem, President of Argentina
N4KET           David French, CNN newsman
N4RH            Ralph Haller, FCC PRB chief
N5YYV           Kathy Sullivan, Chief Scientist NOAA (former astronaut)
N6CKF           Lloyd Bochner, actor ("Colby")
N6FFT           Leland Briem, talk radio host
N6FUP           Stu Cook, bass player for CCR
N6GGM           Laura, XYL of N6FUP
N6KGB           Stewart Granger (born James Stewart), actor (SK)
N6NHG           Kevin Mitnick, cracker
N9LC            George Sweigert, inventor of cordless phone (was W8ZIS)
NK7U            Joe Rudi, baseball player (ret)
NZ6N            Randy Powell, actor (was WA0QZW)
OA4FB           Fernando Belaunde Terry, past President of Peru
OE5AH           Anton Hapsburg, former Archduke of Austria (SK)
ON1AFD          Count Dirk Frimouth, Belgian astronaut
RAEM (yes!)     Ernst Krenkel, radio operator on ship "Chelyuskin" (SK)
SP3RN           Saint Maximillian Maria Kolbe, died in Auschwitz (SK)
SV2ASP/A        Monk Apollo
TI2DR           David Ruben MD, author of "Everything you wanted to know..."
U2MIR/UV3AM     Musa Manarov, cosmonaut
UA1LO           Yuri Gagarin, cosmonaut (yes, I saw this in print) (SK)
VE3RX           Arthur Meen, former Ontario Cabinet minister
VE3VGW          Gilles Morin, Ontario MPP and Deputy Speaker
VK2AHU          Dick Huey, professor-emeritus (was VK2HU)
VK2AHZ          Tex Morton (Robert Morton), singer (SK)
VK2AI           Reg Brook, inventor of photo-finish camera (SK)
VK2AXN          Keith Alder, former chief of AAEC
VK2BL           Graham Conolly, radio announcer and former voice on VNG
VK2CAX          Dr. Ken McCracken, founding Chief of CSIRO Mineral Physics etc
VK2DIK          Dick Smith, entrepreneur & millionaire
VK2EF           Sir Ernest Fisk, MD of AWA, radio pioneer (SK)
VK2GA/VK2FV     Florence MacKenzie OBE, 1st YL amateur & electrician, founded
WRANS (SK)
VK2KB           Sir Allan Fairhall, politician
VK2YOW          Bob Hughes, radio announcer
VK3AHR          Alan Reid, entrepreneur (SK)
VK3JU           Ross Hull, Australian radio pioneer (SK)
VK4CM           Thomas Elliott, first TV broadcasts in Australia (1935) (SK)
VK4HA           Harry Angel, centenarian
VK4HH           Norman Hurll (was VK2BC), inventor
VK5AX           Alf Traeger, inventor of the pedal wireless (SK)
VK5NIV          Ivan Venning, Australian MP
VK6TP/G3KDH     Tommy Price, speedway rider of Wembley fame
VR6TC           Tom Christian, great*3-grandson of Fletcher Christian
VU2RG           Rajiv Gandhi, former Prime Minister of India (SK)
VU2SON          Sonia Gandhi, XYL of VU2RG
W0CXX           Arthur Collins, founder of Collins Radio (SK)
W0EHR           Marguerite Beneke, wife of Tex Beneke K0HWY
W0ORE           Tony England, astronaut
W2SKE           Bill Leonard, former President of CBS News (SK)
W2TDY           Julius Baker, first flautist NY Philharmonic Orchestra
W2TQ            Joel Miller, IEEE lawyer
W2ZGU           John Campbell, editor of "Analog" (SK)
W3ACE           Armin Meyer, former US Ambassador to Japan
W3GYH           John F. Clark, former director Goddard Space Flight Center
W3NOD           Jacob Beser, electronics specialist on "Enola Gay"
W4WRO           Emory Gordy Jr, record producer and OM of Patty Loveless KD4WU
J
W4ZG            Worth Gruelle, started "Raggedy Ann and Andy"
W5LFL           Owen Garriot, astronaut
W6AQ            Dave Bell, film producer and Academy Award winner
W6EZV           General Curtis "Iron-Ass" LeMay, introduced SSB to USAF SAC (S
K)
W6JKV           James Treybig, CEO of Tandem and 6m pioneer
W6NRM           Robert Weitbrietch(?), physicist, developer of TTY for deaf (S
K)
W6OBB           Art Bell, talk radio host
W6QHS           David Leeson, Chairman and Pres. of California Microware (ret)
W6QYI           Roger Cardinal Mahony, Los Angeles ("Trinity" on autopatch)
W6UK            Alvino Rey, musician/bandleader
W6ZH            Herbert "Pete" Hoover III, grandson of US Pres (call re-issued
)
W8JK            John Kraus, radio astronomer
WA2MKI          Larry Ferrari, organ player
WA4CZD          Chet Atkins, guitar player
WA4SIR          Ron Parise, astronaut
WA6MOS          Joseph Pevney, former Star Trek director, actor, singer
WA6TJM          ?, President of ISD Inc (makes voice recorder chips)
WB4KCG          Ronnie Milsap, singer
WB6ACU          Joe Walsh, rock musician (James Gang and The Eagles)
WB6RER          Andy Devine, cowboy actor (SK)
WV6VLY/WA6BND   Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple (lapsed)
YN1AS           General Anastasio Somoza, former President of Nicaragua (SK)
ZK1AN           Sir Thomas Davis, former Premier of Cook Islands
ZL4HL           Prof. Sir Horace Smirk, Founding Prof. of Wellcome Institute

Suspected or callsign unknown:

    Freeman Gosden, actor (SK)
    "Some royalty of the Netherlands"
    James Hardie (Aussie entrepreneur)
    Stan Gadsen (ditto)
    John Button, Australian senator
    Merville Shavelson (W6?), Hollywood director
    Roc Kirby VK3???, chairman Village Roadshow Corp
    Dale Buggins, motorcycle stunt rider (SK)
    Fred Gwynn ("Herman Munster") (SK)
    Violinist of LA Philharmonic (or is this W2TDY?)
    Dr. Russell Hulse, co-shared Nobel Prize with K1JT (lapsed)
    Elke Sommer's husband (she was allegedly seen on SSTV)
    Edwin Armstrong, inventor of FM, superhet etc (SK)
    Very Rev Dr John Flynn OBE, founder of Flying Doctor (SK)
    James Clark, founder and chairman of Silicon Graphics
    Clive Robertson, Australian radio host
    Dr Amar Bose (Bose Audio)
    Cliff Arquette aka Charlie Weaver, appeared on Jack Parr TV
    Shaquille "Shack" O'Neal, NBA star (uses "Bill" when on air)
    I. I. Rabi, Nobel Prize Winner
    Founder of Hallicrafters Radio (SK)
    Crown Prince Albert of Monaco
    Someone on the Kon-Tiki expedition?

Disputed (some say yes, some say no):

    Neil Armstrong, astronaut (but see Edwin)
    Richard Feynman, scientist (SK)
    Samuel F.B. Morse III, W6FZZ, grandson? (SK)
    K2ZCZ, George Patacki, Governor of New York
    KC4OCA, Gordon Barnes, weatherman
    N6YOS, Priscilla Presley (Lou Lou Beaulieu), actress, Elvis' widow
    W2JOF, Cliff Richard (Harry Webb), singer

Never licensed (but rumours circulate):

    Bernard Goetz (of subway fame)
    Jon Bon Jovi (but see KX2Z)
    Jose Feliciano
    Andy Griffith (he and Jose are in the callbook; it's not them)
    Jimmy Stewart, actor and USAF flag reserve officer
    HRH Prince Phillip the Duke of Edinburgh, patron of RSGB
    Gary Shandling, comedian (callbook is incorrect for KD6OY)
    David Letterman (he's not in the book, but is an SWL)
    Tony Hancock, "The Radio Ham" (decd.)

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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:48 1996
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From: "James A. Sumption" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FT-5100 MODS
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 08:57:39 -0500
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I am looking for any mods for YEASU FT-5100 that maybe are newer than
the ones found on the QRZ CD can any one HELP!
K9YCA


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Carl Stevenson)
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In <52kju9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Flahert
y) writes:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>> By using CW???  That CW is not the most efficient use of HF spectrum is
>> an irrefutable fact.  That's why commercial users abandoned CW years
>> (decades) ago ...
>
>No, as a matter of fact, it's quite refutable.  Carl, what other mode in
>widespread use in the amateur service packs the most QSOs per kHz?  You've
>had a week to support your supposaid "fact" with some numbers, but have
>failed to do so.
>


First, I said NOTHING about "in widespread use in the amateur radio
service" ... I've already said that ham technology is inefficient and
backward and needs to be updated significantly to catch up to today's
world ... however, with that said, practically *every* other mode in use
in the ham bands is more spectrally efficient than OOK Morse ...

The issue is not QSOs per kHz ... that outdated concept panders to the
idea that "narrower is better" and ignores the existence of time.  The
way to measure the spectral efficiency of a modulation scheme is with a
metric like "bits/sec/Hz" ...  this sort of metric recognizes the
well-known engineering fact that the absolute bandwidth is totally
irrelevant to efficiency.  There have been many examples presented here
in the past weeks that clearly show, by simple math, that virtually
*every* other mode (except spark) is more spectrally-efficient than OOK
Morse, so rather wasting the effort in regurgitating them, I'll refer
you to DejaNews or AltaVista ...  (assuming you *really* want to see
them again, which is dubious ...)

>> Dollars are not the relevant figure of merit ... it's an equation like:
>
>Outside of academia, dollars are *the* figure of merit.  Ham Radio purchases
>are *very* cost sensitive.  To claim that you don't care what it costs
>smacks of elitism.

In your zeal to refute my assertions, you fail to take the time to read
them and attempt to understand what they mean ... I NEVER said "I don't
care what it costs."  In fact, I have stated numberous times here that
there is no inherent reason that, in widespread use, the newer
technologies that folks like Phil Karn, Gary Coffman, and others (and I)
are advocating should cost more than today's backward technology ... in
fact, the liklihood is that the use of newer technology will result in
*cheaper* implementations (with better performance) than the triple and
quadruple conversion "super"het monstrosities that are being foisted on
hams today as "the latest in technology" ... (what rubbish!!!)

>
>> (value_of_activity*number_of_users)/(spectral_efficiency)
>
>Buried in this equation is a very dangerous idea:  that some QSOs are more
>valuable than others, an idea wholly repugnant to the First Amendment.
>After all, who can make such a judgement?

The FCC WILL make EXACTLY that judgement when deciding to take our bands
away and auction them off to some deep-pockets commercial enterprise who
proposes to use them to provide valuable, desirable services to
*millions* of users. (it's called "the public interest")

They'll look at our bands and the comparative lack of activity therein
and the backward, inefficent technologies that we're using and say:

        "Let's see now ... over here we have a small number of these
        'hams,' occupying many, many megahertz and clinging to the past
        with their insistence on, of all things, Morse code and the
        like in today's world (can you *believe* that?)"

        "Our choice is clear ...  hams, out ...  commercial service in
        ... we get many tens of billions of dollars in license fees to
        reduce the national debt and the people of America reclaim a
        wasted resource to provide benefits to far more people than
        those paultry few 'hams' ... besides, those 'hams' are so far
        back in the 'dark ages' that they're of no practical use in
        emergencies any more ... and they're certainly not
        contributing to the advancement of technology like they
        *used* to ..."

        "So ORDERED .."

>A more objective figure of merit would be:
>
>(# of QSOs)**2 / (Hz) * (Total Equipment Cost)
>

The above is totally irrelevant to the regulators ...  and the "formula"
makes ZERO sense ...

>Incidentally, the efficiencies available to VHF+ Spread Spectrum don't
>translate to HF.  For starters, the available chip rate is much, much lower,
>given the scarcity of spectrum.  For another, it's extremely difficult to get

>orthogonality in a Rayleigh fading environment.  The only practical and
>longterm use of spread spectrum on HF has been radiolocation, and it works
>quite well, given the relatively low information rate and lack of reuse.
>

The above paragraph shows clearly that you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA of
how spread spectrum could be (and has been) applied to HF.

>> I'm saying that the RULES are not in keeping with the times and do not
>> promote technical progress in ham radio, but rather they look to the
>> past.
>
>So what you're advocating is not only the elimiation of the CW exams, but of
>HF SSB as well?  After all, you've pointed out repeatedly that these kinds of
>changes have had to be forced onto land mobile.
>

I never said "ban CW" ... nor "ban SSB" ... all I've said is:

        1) "Eliminate the CW test .. it's outlived any usefullness it
           may once have had."

        2) "Make the written exam meaningful."

        3) "Change the rules to remove artificial, ill-advised barriers
           to the introduction of new technologies."

>What you are therefore advocating is a change from a system that works to
>one whose technology doesn't even exist, will outlaw all existing equipment
>(thereby making it worthless), and will require more capital outlay from ever
y
>single user.

Again, in your zeal to refute my assertions, you fail to comprehend (or
choose to ignore) what I said ...

I never said "outlaw (any) existing equipment" ... I never said "ban the
use of (any) mode" ...

And I'm not talking "pipe dreams" about "technology that doesn't even
exist" ... I'm talking about technology that's being used every day by
commercial users ... hell, even *consumer devices* like cordless phones
and cellphones ... WAKE UP!!!

>And for what reason?  Why should we all pay more for a system
>that will, in all likelihood, be about as efficent as the current system?

RED HERRING ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!  The above statement is deliberately
designed to decieve the reader through deliberate missrepresentation of
facts and obfuscation ...

ANYTHING (other than spark or two tin cans and some string) would be
more efficient that our current "system" ... there IS NO "system" ...
just a random collection of largely antiquated garbage ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 4-5 kw Generator Recommendations??
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Organization: Destructive Testing Systems
References: <[e-mail]> <5264ck$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <5292v6$[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <52l0c1$[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 15:52:46 GMT
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In article <52l0c1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Roy Lewallen) w
rites:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>>. . .
>>Our broadcast group operates 92 generator equipped vehicles.
>>. . .
>>Being in TV news use, these vehicles spend a good amount of time
>>in disaster areas, particularly the satellite trucks. They routinely
>>chase hurricanes, go to the site of tornado damage, aircraft crashes,
>>etc.
>>. . .
>>Gary
>>--
>>Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |  You make it,   | Due to provider problems
>>Destructive Testing Systems |  we break it.   | with previous uucp >addresse
s
>>534 Shannon Way             |  Guaranteed!    | Email to [e-mail]
>>Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                 |
>
>That must really go over great at an aircraft crash site or tornado damage si
te
>-- all the trucks painted with big letters saying "You make it, we break it.
>Guaranteed!"

Worse, they say "TV News" on them. :-)

DTS is a separate entity, not connected with my broadcast work.
I don't post my broadcast affiliation because I don't want to
appear to speak for them. I speak for DTS since I own it outright.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:54 1996
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From: [e-mail](Gerald Schmitt )
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: 2m Wide Open in Florida
Date: 29 Sep 1996 16:50:12 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:
>
>
>I am sorry if you reading "dont" as opposed to "don't" confuses you.
Perhaps
>you could contact OSU and complain again, and my boss will send out a
memo
>regarding contractions poted to Usenet.

It doesn't confuse me it just isn't proper English. You know perfectly
well the only time I, and others, complained to your ISP was when you
were being totally irresponsible trying to make some obscure point.
While on that subject, then official text for EMTs still considers
blood as the primary risk for AIDS exposure. You have got to straighten
them out.

You know you could get a commercial ISP rather than bringing your
employer to the table with every stupid post you make. You know like
your annoying habit of calling people with whom you disagree liars.
If you slander someone in a public forum then I think they have a
perfect right to complain to your ISP. If you post from your employer's
system then that is on your head.


>
>>Why is it that you can't seem to learn to spell my name? Is this some
>>juvenile attempt to annoy me or are you really that stupid?
>
>You listed name in call servers is "Gerald", and thought you went by
the known
>nickname of "Gerry". It was NOT my intention to "annoy" you, but given
your
>response...it must have.

Jerry is just as if not more common than Gerry and I sign every post I
make with Jerry so I think my qoestion is answered.

>
>Take care Gerald, and good luck.
>
>
>Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
>Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
>E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
>AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:55 1996
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From: "Daniel Bell, Jr." <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: mods for ft-11r
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If anyone knows of any, or where I might be able to find on the internet
mods for the ft-11r I would appreciate hearing from you.

73 Danny KC4OXP
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:28:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (PJohn8888)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Repeater coverage in MN Gunflint Area?
Date: 29 Sep 1996 15:22:44 -0400
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I'll be staying 25 miles up NE Minnesota's Gunflint Trail next month.  The
ARRL repeater directory shows some towns in the general area with 2M
repeaters, but according to the map, none look close enough to provide
coverage up into the Gunflint wilderness.

Does anyone know if these (or any other) repeaters have coverage up the
trail?

Thanks and 73.

Phil


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From: [e-mail].([e-mail] ([e-mail] (joe)
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Subject: RIP MARS CW
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As of 0000 UTC 1 October 1996 CW is prohibited on
frequencies controlled by the US Department of Defense
including MARS frequencies.

Paraphrasing Samuel Morse, "What God hath wrought the DoD
hath put asunder."

I hope somebody out there can copy PACTOR in their head for
the day when the fit hits the shan.


                                         _____________________
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                                        | |_| @ @  @  @ @ |_| |
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Landis)
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Subject: Mid-Atlantic VHF conf./Packrats Hamfest
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                      *** Mid Atlantic VHF Conference ***

The 20th Annual Mid-Atlantic States VHF Conference sponsored by the Mt. Airy
VHF Radio Club will be held on Saturday, 5 October at the Days Inn in Horsham
PA. Technical presentations relating to VHF/UHF/SHF weak signal operating
will begin at 9AM.

The Days Inn is located just north of exit 27 (Willow Grove exit) of the PA
Turnpike, north of Philadelphia, in Horsham, PA. Rooms at the Days Inn
can be reserved by calling 215-674-2500. Mention Pack Rats for a discount.
The Days Inn is filling up quickly, so reserve soon. Additional lodging is
available in the Horsham area: Holiday Inn Trevose [phone],  Marriott
Willow Grove  [phone], Hampton Inn Willow Grove (215)  659  - 3535,
Warrington Inn  [phone].


                               *** HAMARAMA ***

On the following day, Sunday 6 Oct. the Packrats will have their annual hamfes
t
at the Bucks County Drive In Theater, about 5 miles north of PA Tpk. exit 27
on Rte. 611. Talk-in on 146.52 simplex and the club repeater on 224.58.

Ron, WZ1V has placed the flyer for the events, including a preliminary list of
presentations, on the N.E.W.S. Group web page:
            http://uhavax.hartford.edu/~newsvhf/hamarama.html

For  more information on the technical conference or a possible presentation
slot,  contact John Sortor, KB3XG, at 610-584-2489 or at [e-mail].


                      ** Preliminary Conference Agenda **

        SPEAKERS         TOPICS

 KD1DU, Del Schier  - Introduction to 10 GHz Equipment and Operation

 WB6JJN, Jim         -Amateur Satellites:Modes, Bands,& Issues @ VHF thru
                      Microwaves

 AJ3K, Jim Rautio, Sonnet Software - 3-D Planer Electromagnetic Design

 WA1YHO, Gary Dallas - Using YO & AO to Optimize a 6M Antenna System

 N1DPM                -Introduction to VHF/UHF Weak Signal Operating

 Harvey Kaylie, Mini-Circuits Laboratories

 WB2SON, Richard Fiore - American Technical Ceramics

 W3ZZ, Gene Zimmerman - 40 Years of Contesting

Preliminary schedule of events:

        Friday, October 4, 1996
        5pm to 11pm - Out of town guests arrive, check in.
                      The 2 meeting rooms  be used as a hospitality suite.
              The Pack Rats will provide snacks & beverages

 Saturday, October 5, 1996

        9am to 12pm  Morning conference session.
       12pm to  1pm  Lunch break
        1pm to  5pm  Afternoon conference session.
        5pm to  7pm  Hospitality suite.
        7pm to  9pm  Dinner/Banquet
        9pm to 11pm  Hospitality suite.

Sunday, October 6, 1996

       6am to 10am   Check out
       7am to  3pm   Hamarama at the Bucks County Drive In

Joe - AA3GN
--
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:01 1996
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From: Barry Newberger <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Help Collins
Date: 29 Sep 1996 21:20:12 GMT
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According to my Collins mech filter
catalog, ca 1974 it is a symmetric bandpass
filter having a 455kHz center frequency,
2 kHz nominal bandwidth @ 6dB, maximum
bandwidth of 5.3 kHz at 60 dB and a case
style K.  It is part no. 526-9163-000.

73,
W5KH


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From: [e-mail] (Gus)
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Dan Henderson <[e-mail]> wrote:


>According to the safety announcements...ANY receiver cannot EVER be
>used...not after 10 minutes after t/off and 10 min prior to landing like
>computers and other things are...NO receiver cannot be used....The point
>is mute re scanners...THEY CANNOT BE USED...and all the airlines have the
>same rule, at least in the USA...

and anytime inbetween the 10 min after and 10 min before the can be
used on some airlines.  I NEVER debated using them 10 min after and 10
min before.  so don't jump me for that.



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Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: 29 Sep 1996 23:20:19 GMT
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In <52j2hs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Crestohl) writes:
>Geez, Jim.......why didn't you do your homework?  The FCC made it very
>clear that anything received after Friday Sept 20th would be datestamped
>with the next FCC business date, ie: Monday the 23rd.  I, like thousands
>of others, mailed mine on Saturday morning by Express Mail and it was duly
>delevered on Sunday to the postal lock box in Pittsburgh.
>
>Then there's the guys who had it shipped FedEx and didn't put the lock box
>number on the envelope on the inside of the big courier envelope....guess
>what happened to their apps?
>
>My philosophy on this kind of the thing would be to make the rules of
>acceptance more stringent (specific size envelopes, etc) so that the
>people who could read, understand and comply with the instructions would
>have first shot at these choice calls.
>
>I am sorry that your app was not in the bin dated the 23rd.  But maybe the
>calls you want will still be available when they get around to your
>application.
>
>73,
>
>Michael Crestohl, KH6KD/W1 (W1??)
>
>[e-mail]


Geez...Mike, if you would REREAD my original post, I did do my 'homework'. You
r
point of specificity on the certain criteria would be great. Here again, if th
e USPS
had followed the 'Special Handling Instructions' that cost an additional 10.75
-.37
to perform, then this app would have been in the kitty with everybody elses, j
ust
like I tried to do. Hope you get the callsign your looking for.

                                                                   Jim


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Flaherty)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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Carl Stevenson ([e-mail]) wrote:

> First, I said NOTHING about "in widespread use in the amateur radio
> service" ... I've already said that ham technology is inefficient and
> backward and needs to be updated significantly to catch up to today's
> world ... however, with that said, practically *every* other mode in use
> in the ham bands is more spectrally efficient than OOK Morse ...

Okay, so you've granted me that your solution does not currently exist.
Okay, fine.  Then any change can wait until your solution does exist, and
constitutes a practical replacement.

The reason that QSOs/Hz and not bits/Hz is the relevant metric is that human
beings adapt their information rates to the channel in question, applying
compression in various forms.  Oddly enough, most of the stated goals of the
Amateur Service involve direct communications between human beings.  Go out
on 20m sometime, and count the number of human QSOs versus automated links.

> The issue is not QSOs per kHz ... that outdated concept panders to the
> idea that "narrower is better" and ignores the existence of time.

Narrower in the Shannon sense will always be better.  In the end, you still
have to pack a number of QSOs into the available bandwidth.  Incidentally,
the "wider is better" myth fell out of favor about two years ago.

> The way to measure the spectral efficiency of a modulation scheme is with a
> metric like "bits/sec/Hz" ...  this sort of metric recognizes the
> well-known engineering fact that the absolute bandwidth is totally
> irrelevant to efficiency.

That assumes that the information rate is independent of the channel rate,
which is false in this case.  In the end, you still have to modulate
some kind of baseband information into the channel.  If the baseband
information rate is lower, then you will inherently be able to pack more
users into the available bandwidth.

>There have been many examples presented here
> in the past weeks that clearly show, by simple math, that virtually
> *every* other mode (except spark) is more spectrally-efficient than OOK
> Morse, so rather wasting the effort in regurgitating them, I'll refer
> you to DejaNews or AltaVista ...  (assuming you *really* want to see
> them again, which is dubious ...)

But again, those didn't use relevant metrics.  The issue here is whether or
not the HF bands could handle more *users*, not more bps per Hertz.
From a bps/Hz perspective, you're correct.  But since the user community is
rate adaptive, your comparison is irrelevant to the original question.

(It's also sort of funny being referred to my own creation, BTW.)

> In your zeal to refute my assertions, you fail to take the time to read
> them and attempt to understand what they mean ... I NEVER said "I don't
> care what it costs."

In article 52hs0t$[e-mail], you write "Dollars are not the relevant
figure of merit."  Looks to me like you don't care.

>  In fact, I have stated numberous times here that  there is no inherent
> reason that, in widespread use, the newer  technologies that folks like
> Phil Karn, Gary Coffman, and others (and I) are advocating should cost
> more than today's backward technology ...

So fine.  Build them, and we'll believe you.  The CW requirement isn't
stopping anyone from building or deploying such a system.  And, if it behaves
in a manner that you describe, very few will object to seeing CW go the way
of the dodo bird, least of all me.

Until that time, we have to deal with what we have.  The claim that the
CW requirement somehow is impeding progress has been proven false empirically
by the the codefree tech at VHF+.

> The FCC WILL make EXACTLY that judgement when deciding to take our bands
> away and auction them off to some deep-pockets commercial enterprise who
> proposes to use them to provide valuable, desirable services to
> *millions* of users. (it's called "the public interest")

Agitprop.  The HF bands are not in danger; witness the last full WARC in
which we actually *gained* in HF.  Everyone else is moving to satellite,
largely because they can afford to.

>
> The above paragraph shows clearly that you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA of
> how spread spectrum could be (and has been) applied to HF.

Then you can prove that assertion, or discredit yourself.

> I never said "ban CW" ... nor "ban SSB" ... all I've said is:

Oh yes you have.  You've repeately called for a mandated change from
"outdated" technology to something new.  You've said that price isn't a factor
,
so the marketplace won't support that change.   With all of those existing
modes raising the noise floor, your system won't have enough orthogonality
to function at the level you've claimed.  So you're going to have to do
something.

> And I'm not talking "pipe dreams" about "technology that doesn't even
> exist" ... I'm talking about technology that's being used every day by
> commercial users ... hell, even *consumer devices* like cordless phones
> and cellphones ... WAKE UP!!!

Those devices have several hundred megaHertz to chip over.  The largest HF
ham band is a little over 1/100 of that size, and don't have to deal with
ionospheric fading.

For that matter, what do you want with HF anyway?  Industry has concluded that
HF is "obsolete", and is moving to satellites.  By your methodology, we
should just give up HF cold turkey and go to satellites.

The simple truth of the matter is that the CW requirement isn't holding up
progress (as evidenced at VHF+ by the codefree tech).  Rather, the technology
hasn't been properly adapted for the amateur service.  Until that changes,
the most efficient way to use the HF spectrum is to encourage the use of CW,
which the requirement supports.

--
-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX |     "Just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum."
->[e-mail]  |          -- Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington


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From: [e-mail] (dwh)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Any use a VHF/UHF Log Periodic Antenna?
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 01:15:16 GMT
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Hello,
  I am interested in hearing from anyone that uses a VHF/UHF Log
Periodic Antenna.  If you have used such a antenna, please email me
with your experiences, brand, height, and etc...

Thanks
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Paul Flaherty)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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Bill Newkirk ([e-mail]) wrote:

> so would a single 5 WPM code test be enough?

Yes.  5 WPM is pretty much the minimum to prove that you can use it, which
in turn is the limit of the government's regulatory interest in seeing that
CW continues until a suitable replacement exists.  Anything beyond that
is more of a mastery, and there are probably more important things to master.

--
-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX |     "Just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum."
->[e-mail]  |          -- Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington


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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 21:31:41 -0700
Organization: Intel Corporation
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Randolph Kielich wrote:
> So I guess it's more anxiety and dread until I determine if mine
> got there too early even with the bank clearing my check.

Hey Randy, ever consider getting a life? :-) Ham calls don't
deserve all that energy.

73, Cecil, W6RCA  (not speaking for my employer)


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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Large Selection of Vintage Manuals Available
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 23:21:37 -0700
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If you need a source for vintage radio manuals Ham/scanner/military/and
commercial visit "The Raymond Sarrio Company" web site at
http://www.sarrio.com. I have over 3000 manuals listed on-line. I can
normally get manuals shipped within 2 business days, and I guarantee 100%
customer satisfaction.  73's Ray
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman)
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Clay N4AOX  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Gary Coffman wrote:
>> Almost half (44%) of current licensees seem to share my opinion, because
>> they told the ARRL (on its survey) that they *never* use Morse. Of the
>> remaining 56% who do, at least ocasionally, use Morse, we don't know
>> how many find it attractive and how many find it a nuisance that they
>> put up with because counting coup requires them to use it, IE they use
>> it for Dx gaming.

>Have you determined that of the 44% who told the ARRL that they never use
>Morse, how many were HF operators, having had to pass the 13 and 20 wpm

Last week we were told that 82% of us don't use HF. Now 56% of us
do use code. That's an awful lot of non-HF CW.

Don't you just love statistics?

Jeff KH2PZ


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[ ANARTS - Australian National Amateur Radio Teletype Society ]

ANARTS RTTY CAST928

This is the Australian National Amateur Radio Teleprinter Society
with our weekly RTTY broadcast. We transmit on the following times
and frequencies :

  3.545 MHz (Plus/minus 5)   0930 UTC     VK2CTD (COL
  7.045 MHz  -3              0030 UTC     VK2CTD (COL)
 14.070 MHz (amtor/fec)      0030 UTC     VK2DPM (ALAN)
 14.091 MHz                  0030 UTC     VK2DPM (ALAN
146.675 MHz             0030/0930 UTC     VK2JPA (PAT)
144.850 MHz (ax25 bbs)                    VK2JPA AT VK2WI
146.675 MHz (rtty mmbbs/repeater)         VK2RTY


        INTERNET         RADIO-INFO-DIST AT UCSD.EDU


CONTEST REMINDER
----------------

JUST A NOTE TO REMIND YOU THAT THE CQ/DJ WW DIGITAL CONTEST IS
BEING HELD THIS WEEK.


COLS COLUMN.
------------

PAT VK2JPA IS ON  HOLIDAY THIS WEEK,  SO I HAVE  BEEN GIVEN THE
HONOUR OF COMPILING THE BROADCAST. THE PROPAGATION ON 40 METRES
IS STILL NO BETTER, WHICH IS VERY DISAPPOINTING.  AT THE MOMENT
3 OR 4  CALLBACKS IS  ALL THAT I  AM GETTING.  HOWEVER,  JOY OF
JOYS THE 80 METRE CAST ON SUNDAY EVENINGS IS DOING MUCH BETTER,
QUITE A FEW  STATIONS TAKING PART.  THE REGULAR ONES  BEING JIM
VK2BQS JOHN VK2BAT VICTOR VK3BVJ AND DAVID VK7KDM,  WITH OTHERS
AT VARIOUS TIMES.  THKS TO ALL THOSE STATIONS FOR MAKING SUNDAY
EVENINGS A SUCCESS.   THE OTHER DAY I DOWNLOADED THE ARRL SOLAR
REPORT,  IT CONTAINS INFORMATION REFERENCE THE SUNSPOT ACTIVITY
AND I INCLUDE IT IN THIS CAST.
LAST WEEK I SAID THAT MORE EARLY COMMUNICATIONS WOULD APPEAR IN
THIS WEEKS COLUMN.
TO THIS DATE,  I HAVE BEEN DEALING  WITH SYSTEMS  THAT UTILISED
STATIC ELECTRICITY,  WE NOW MOVE ON  TO THE GALVANIC TELEGRAPH,
THAT  IS  A  SYSTEM  USING  AN  ELECTRIC  CURRENT,  A  FLOW  OF
ELECTRICITY THAT WOLD LAST  FOR AN APPRECIABLE TIME RATHER THAN
A MOMENTARY DISCHARGE THAT COULD BE OBTAINED  FROM A LEYDEN JAR
(EARLY CAPACITOR).  BEFORE  DESCRIBING ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS,  I
WOULD LIKE TO WRITE A SHORT  NOTE ON THE EARLY 'BATTERIES' THAT
PROVIDED  THE POWER  FOR  THESE  SYSTEMS.  THE  FIRST  GALVANIC
TELEGRAPH  WILL  APPEAR NEXT WEEK.  THERE  ARE  THREE NECESSARY
COMPONENTS  IN A SUCCESSFUL TELEGRAPH  SYSTEM.  A  TRANSMITTING
DEVICE, A MEDIUM PROPAGATING THE SIGNAL AND A RECEIVING DEVICE.
ELECTROSTATIC  SYSTEMS  FAILED  IN  EACH  OF  THESE COMPONENTS.
FRICTIONAL MACHINES PRODUCE TINY CHARGES OF ELECTRICITY AT VERY
HIGH POTENTIALS.  UNLESS THERE IS GOOD INSULATION,   THE CHARGE
LEAKS RAPIDLY AWAY TO EARTH.   IN THE FIRST TWENTY YEARS OF THE
19TH CENTURY,    TWO ADVANCES IN ELECTRICITY GAVE EXPERIMENTS A
MORE  RELIABLE SOURCE AMD THE  TELEGRAPH WAS TRANSFORMED INTO A
USEFUL DEVICE, RATHER THAN A SCIENTIFIC TOY.
THE  FIRST ADVANCE WAS  THE SUBJECT  OF A LETTER  TO THE  ROYAL
SOCIETY IN 1800,   IT WAS FROM VOLTA.   HE DISCRIBES HIS FAMOUS
'PILE'  FROM  WHICH  A  FLOW  OF   ELECTRICITY  LASTED   FOR  A
CONSIDERABLE TIME. VOLTA WAS INSPIRED  BY GALVANI'S WORK ON THE
MUSCULAR MOVEMENTS OF FROGS. AS WELL MAKING A FROGS LEG MOVE BY
A FRICTIONAL MACHINE,   GALVANI NOTICED THE LEG WOULD ALSO MOVE
WHEN TOUCHED BY SPIKES OF DIFFERENT METALS,  SUCH AS COPPER AND
IRON.  HE CONCLUDED THAT THESE PHENOMENA WERE CAUSED BY 'ANIMAL
ELECTRICITY'.  VOLTA SHOWED THAT THE PRIMARY CAUSE WAS A SOURCE
OF ENERGY AT THE JUNCTION OF DISSIMILAR METALS.     IN ORDER TO
DEMONSTRATE THIS CLEARLY, VOLTA BUILT UP A PILE OF METAL DISCS.
HE LAID A SILVER DISC ON THE TABLE, THEN A ZINC DISC ONE ON TOP
OF IT. EACH DISC WAS ABOUT 2 AND A HALF CENTIMETRE IN DIAMETER.
OVER THIS HE LAID A DISC OF CARBOARD  SOAKED IN WATER OR BRINE.
HE CONTINUED THE PROCESS OF LAYING THESE THREE DISCS ON TOP  OF
EACH OTHER.    THE ZINC  AND SILVER DISCS  IN CONTACT WITH EACH
OTHER PROVIDED A CONTINUOUS FLOW OF ELECTRICITY.   THIS WAS THE
FIRST BATTERY MADING POSSIBLE A WHOLE NEW SERIES OF EXPERIMENTS
IN THE  INVESTIGATION OF CHEMICAL,   HEATING,   MAGNETIC AND OF
COURSE TELEGRAPHS ETC. ELECTRICAL RESEARCH NOW MOVED FORWARD AT
A GREATER PACE.
THE SECOND ADVANCE IN KNOWLEDGE WAS THE DISCOVERY BY OERSTED IN
1820,  THAT  WHEN A  WIRE CARRIES  A CURRENT  OF ELECTRICITY IT
EXERTS A TURNING EFFECT  UPON A COMPASS NEEDLE PLACED  CLOSE TO
AND PARRALLEL TO IT.  IT LINKED THE TWO SUBJECTS, MAGNETISM AND
ELECTRICITY.    IT SHOWED THAT  ELECTIC  CURRENTS  COULD  EXERT
MECHANICAL FORCE,   THUS LAYING  THE FOUNDATIONS  OF ELECTRICAL
ENGINEERING.
THE IMMEDIATE EFFECT ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TELEGRAPH WAS TO
PROVIDE,   IN THE  FORM OF  NOTHING  MORE  COMPLICATED  THAN  A
DEFLECTED COMPASS NEEDLE  AS AN INDICATOR OF  ELECTRIC CURRENT.
AMPERE SUGGESTED A  TELEGRAPH USING  THIS TECHNIQUE,  BUT NEVER
BUILT ONE.
NEXT WEEK I  SHALL ATTEMPT TO DESCRIBE ONE OF THE EARLY SYSTEMS
USING A VOLTAIC PILE, UNTIL THEN 73'S DE COL

                      ----------------------------



IONOSPHERIC REPORT AND FORECAST.
-------------------------------

I  AM UNABLE TO BRING  YOU THE REPORT FROM THE I.P.S. THIS WEEK
HOWEVER AS STATED  ABOVE  I HAVE  THE ARRL  SOLAR REPORT IN ITS
PLACE.



QST de W1AW
Propagation Forecast Bulletin 39  ARLP039
>From Tad Cook, KT7H
Seattle, WA  September 20, 1996
To all radio amateurs

SB PROP ARL ARLP039
ARLP039 Propagation de KT7H

Solar activity was down again last week. Average Solar Flux was
down about a point, and average sunspot numbers were down about
3.7. Every day except September 12 had no visible sunspots.

The daily solar flux was below the 90 day average of 71 on each
day over the past week.

Solar activity  is  expected to  increase over this week,  with
solar flux to peak in the mid  70s  around  September 24 to 16.
Geomagnetic conditions are expected to peak around September 25
with A indices around 25 and K indices as high as 5.
After October 1 solar flux should drop below 70.    Geomagnetic
conditions should get unstable  again around  October  7 to 13.

The  days are growing shorter, and the Fall Equinox will arrive
September 22.    Because of less daylight 20 meters is becoming
more of a daylight band.

Sunspot Numbers for September 12 through 18 were 11, 0, 0, 0, 0,
0 and 0, with a mean of 1.6.  10.7 cm flux was 67.8, 67.3, 67.1,
66.4, 68, 69, and 68.9, with a mean of 67.8.

                    ------------------------------


VK2SG RTTY DX NOTES FOR WEEK ENDING SEPT. 20, 1996
---------------------------------------------------

Our thanks this week go to: ZS5S, W2JGR, WB2CJL, W5KSI,  AA5AU,
DF2KU,  DJ2TI, PA0HVF, IK2MRZ,  I4MKN, IK1HSR,  IK1CJO, IK1QBT,
I5IGQ, I1JQJ, and the 425 DXgang, DJ3IW and the Central Europe
DX Cluster B0SPC,   the NJ0M Node of Minnesota, and the IK5PWJ
Cluster.

BANDPASS:
Friday 13
1148-14085 J53KX
1250-14085 UN7GY
1255-14085 5B4/SM0TGG
1336-14086 XT2DP
1608-14081 3V8BB QSL via DK9IP
1751-14088 IS0MVE
1846-14081 5H3LM
1929-14081 CN8MM
1952-14083 HK1LAQ
2029-14083 XT2DP
2031-14082 IS0QDV
2217-14085 VR6MW

Saturday 14
0818-14089 TA2IO
0956-14083 IH9DX IOTA AF-018
0958-14085 OY4TN
1308-14085 WP4Q
1332-14087 4L1BR
1649-14083 EK6OCM
1645-14084 XT2DP
2036-14081 T0OU P. Seborga QSL via DL7CM
2051-14085 5X1T QSL via ON5NT
2056-14085 HK3SGP
2245-14085 PJ2MI

Sunday 15
0752-14085 IQ7CIA Pfx Spl Call MARCONI DAYS
0834-14091 RA2FB
0956-14082 TA2IO
1142-14086 OY4TN
1200-14083 JW2EGA QSL via LA2EGA
1205-14084 LA5QIA IOTA EU-036
1208-14083 OD5SK
1306-14090 EW8OS
1322-14082 HL2XL
1502-14090 5X1T
1640-14085 TT8SP
1837-14084 4X6UO
1841-14083 HK3SGP
2047-14083 HC6IM
2134-14082 YV4CEA

Monday 16
0003-14083 HK3SGP
0659-14087 ZL2GFR
1739-14087 J53KX
1924-14081 5B4/SM0TGG
1930-14084 LA5QIA
2328-14080 VR6MW
2340-14086 OA4BR
2349-14080 XE1CI

Tuesday 17
0034-14082 LU5VC
1203-14085 IA1WER
1207-14084 PJ2MI
1402-14087 RZ3AZ
1625-14082 A92GE
1625-14083 5B4/SM0TGG
1757-14088 GM4ZOA
2009-14083 IS0QDV

Wednesday 18
0316-14083 ZL1HY
1910-14087 5H3LM

Thursday 19
1240-14085 9K2HN
1303-14088 TA2IO
1642-14086 J59KX QSL via DF3KX
1748-14087 EA6RA
1817-14087 XT2DP
Notes of Interest:

5R, MADAGASCAR -  For those  still needing  this one look  for
Gerard, 5R8EN who will stay there until the middle of October.

ANGOLA, D2 - Alex, PA3DZN states to be active in early October
from Luanda for a period of 6 months.    Operation will be CW,
CW, CW, RTTY, and SSB.

SPECIAL PFX,  IY1EY  -  During  the  'LOANO ELETTRA AWARD'  to
celebrate Marconi's  radioelectric experiments  on the Elettra
ship from  1919 to 1936 on  Ligurian Sea,  will be on from the
21st to the 29th Septmeber the special prefix IY1EY.  Activity
on all  modes  CW/SSB/RTTY  all  bands.  A  special  QSL  card
reproducing Marconi's legednary boat  'Elettra' will be issued
via IK1QBT, Tony.

The  VK2SG RTTY DXNOTES are  also  available  on  Internet  at
reflector digital-dx(at)st.rim.or.jp and the OH2BUA Webcluster
at URL http://www.clinet.fi/jukka/webcluster.html.

For  next week's  bulletin  send  your  bandpass and  notes oF
interest to Bob, WB2CJL(at)W5KSI.(hash-sign)NOLA.LA.USA.NA .

GL de  (DX2)  Luciano, I5FLN(at)ZS5S.ZAF.AF .

                   --------------------------------

ARRL DXNOTES
--------------

>From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT  September 19, 1996
To all radio amateurs

ARLD043 DX news

This week's bulletin was  made possible  with info provided  by
Ted, KB8NW,  the OPDX Bulletin, 425 DX News, Martti, OH2BH, and
Contest Corral from QST.  Thanks to all.

MADAGASCAR, 5R.  Jean Michel,  F6AJA,  is in  France  after his
5R8FI operation and will have QSL cards printed soon.  Jean has
the 5R8EN logs up to September 7th,  with the 5R8EN/P logs from
Nosy Be,   and is  preparing  a short  5R8EN/P story.  look for
Gerard, 5R8EN, on RTTY until mid October.

UGANDA, 5X. Peter, 5X1T, aka ON6TT, reports he has some windows
to work Europe on the RS-12 satellite, between 1900-2000z,  for
the next couple of days.

ANGOLA, D2. Alex, PA3DZN, expects to be active in early October
from Luanda for  a minimum of  6 months.   He plans  to use his
TS-50 and R7 on 10 - 40 meters,  but a Force-12  C4 beam  and a
600W amplifier will be shipped to Luanda as well.    For 80 and
160 meters,  he will  try to  install the usual  wire antennas.
Operation will be on CW, RTTY, and SSB.    QSL information ''TO
BE ANNOUNCED.''

GUINEA BISSAU, J5.   Hans, DK9KX, and Dieter, DJ9ON, members of
the Cologne DX Group,  are active on 80 to 10 meters,  as J59KX
and J59ON, respectively.   This  DXpedition  is also  joined by
Anne, DF3KX.   Anne uses a  100 watt  transceiver  and a R-7000
vertical.    Operations will be mostly CW, with SSB and RTTY as
well.  QSL via home calls.

KH7 CONFUSION.  Lee, KH6BZF,  reminds amateurs that the FCC has
started  issuing  KH7  licenses  to  Hawaiian  Amateurs.    KH7
callsigns  have been appearing on the bands in the last week or
so.  These are NOT Kure Island callsigns.

MYANMAR, XZ.     In preparation for the official opening of the
Visit Myanmar Year 1996 and the large scale XZ1N amateur  radio
operation in November, Martti, OH2BH,  will be visiting Myanmar
on September 21 and 22.

Station XZ2BH will be sporadically on the air on several bands,
including the Scandinavian Activity Contest. Equipment includes
a Yaesu FT1000MP and the Alpha 89 amplifier.

QSL INFORMATION AND NEWS.

There has been a QSL Manager change in  the upcoming ZV0MB  and
ZV0MV DXpedition.  PT2DX was announced earlier as manager,  but
his  address  is  not  in  the  current  callbook.  PT2GTI  was
announced as QSL Manager for the  Martim Vaz Island DXpedition.
QSLs go to PO Box 09647, BRASILIA, DF, 70001-970.

The  Danish QSL Bureau  has changed  their address to : EDR QSL
BUREAU, Klokkestoebervej 11, DK 5230 Odense M., Denmark.


                  -----------------------------

ISLANDS ON THE AIR (IOTA)
--------------------------

FOR THOSE STATIONS INTERESTED IN IOTA, HERE ARE A COUPLE OF
IOTA DX SNIPPETS.

>From: Kenneth McCormick <mccormick(AT)ns.sympatico.ca>
>Subject: CY9AOE St.Paul Isl.

As of Tues, Sept 17 the planned Dxpedition to St.PauL Isl.(CY9)
is still  in the works. We had  planned on  leaving  today  and
landing on Weds but due to the recent hurricane activity on the
east coast of North America, it has been impossible  to land on
the island because of high seas.  If the wx should cooperate we
will leave  on Weds,  Sept 25 by boat  and be  on the  air that
evening or the following day.  The call for this operation will
be CY9AOE and QSL to VE1AOE.     Hope to hear you from St. Paul
Island. Don VE1AOE and Ken VY2RU (VE1RU).


>From SV1CID(AT)SV1AFA.AGR.GRC.EU

Subject : Insua Island EU-150 DX'pedition.

The Insua Island IOTA EU-150 1996  DX'pedition Story and Photos
are now available on the WEB on the next sites:

http://www-dx.deis.unibo.it/htdx/index.html
and
http://www.hamradio-online.com

73 and CU on the next DX'pedition, Jose CT1EEB


COMING EVENTS
-------------
SEPTEMBER              28TH-29TH       CQ/DJ WW DIGITAL

OCTOBER                19TH-20TH       JARTS WW RTTY

            ------------------------------------------


Society information

The Society may be contacted at :  PO Box 860, Crows Nest 2065
Australia,   for   such  matters  as  membership  and  general
enquiries.  Enquiries  can  also  be made  by  packet  to  the
President (Col) VK2CTD at VKWI2, or the Secretary (Pat) VK2JPA
at VK2WI.

News  items  may  be  sent to  Broadcast  Officer  PO  Box  60
Blacktown   2148 Australia,  or fax to [phone],  or  by
packet to VK2JPA at  VK2WI.

Email address for the Broadcast Officer is :

       patl(at)pitt.conmusic.su.oz.au

or     patl(at)extro.ucc.su.oz.au


73s De Col VK2CTD Acting Broadcast Officer

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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:19 1996
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From: Kevin Jessup <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: RIP MARS CW
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 07:49:42 -0500
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[e-mail]. wrote:

> As of 0000 UTC 1 October 1996 CW is prohibited on
> frequencies controlled by the US Department of Defense
> including MARS frequencies.
>
> Paraphrasing Samuel Morse, "What God hath wrought the DoD
> hath put asunder."


I believe the Luddites had similar words
when the industrial revolution arrived.

--                             "Rest enough for the individual man - [but] too

Kevin Jessup                   much or too soon and we call it Death.  But for

software engineer                  MAN, no rest and no ending.  He must go on,

Marquette Medical Systems           conquest beyond conquest...and when he has

http://www.mei.com               conquered all the depths of space and all the

[e-mail]      mysteries of time, still he will be beginning."

PGP encrypted Email preferred                 -- H.G. Wells, Things To Come


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:19 1996
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From: Malezet <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: ? CMOS Super Keyer 3 ?
Date: 30 Sep 1996 12:55:25 GMT
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To: rec.radio.amateur.misc

From QST August 1995 (page 26).

This journal describ a very interresting keyer.

So, do this keyer can do a beacon (or cycling calling
with programmable waiting) ??

If yes, I would like to buy it from France :
What to do : is credit card available ?

Thanks for any answer.


Jean-Pierre, [e-mail] (packet)

<[e-mail]> (Email internet)



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (prvalko)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: 30 Sep 1996 13:00:13 GMT
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Randolph Kielich ([e-mail]) wrote:

:       Anyhow last night I called my bank and they told me my check to the
: F.C.C. had cleared the bank and I thought, Amen!  I am in the 'pipeline'
: at least.  Now I read that - if I am understanding this correctly - that it
: is possible to have ones check clear the bank and still be turned away!

Yup.  I'd find out what DAY the Mellon Bank deposited or cashed your
check.  If it was Friday you may be SOL.



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:21 1996
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From: "Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity calls -- someone else eats my pie?
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:25:18 -0400
Organization: T.J. Alessi & Associates, Inc., Stamford, Conn. USA
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KJ4WH wrote:
>
> Stan Vandiver wrote:
> > One of my "proposed" vanity calls (W4DX) was also issued just before the o
pening of Gate 2.
>
> Stan,   Add me to the W4DX as #1 choice list.  I wonder how many of us
> there were?
>
> Gary  KJ4WH

I wasn't looking for W4DX but my first choice was also taken during gate
1.
I've been hamming since March 1974 and missed the last vanity opening
because
I was only Advanced class.  Well, I've had my eye on "K1TA" for 20 years
and
it was scooped up by a 6 lander!

If there is a God maybe I'll get my #2 pick.  <big grin>

Tom - WB1L
ex: WN1TNK, WA1TNK, KA1ZG.
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:25 1996
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From: "Thomas J. Alessi" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: FCC License Processing Time...
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:35:53 -0400
Organization: T.J. Alessi & Associates, Inc., Stamford, Conn. USA
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Steve Kennedy wrote:
>
> I took my exam at the local FCC field office (1973/74).  The tests
> administered by a REAL FCC Field Engineer in the middle of a weekday
> in a large government building.  I was the ONLY one there for testing
> (which added to the stress) and I missed my 13wpm code test by this ><
> much!
>
> I waited what seemed like 2 or 3 months to get my ticket in the mail,
> and I have been a (what is now known in Politically Correct terms as a
> "Tech Plus") Technician ever since!
>

I remember the same thing, of sorts.  I passed my General 1 year to the
day of getting my Novice (For those who don't remember then you had 2
years
to upgrade or get off the air for a year. No presure there!) This was
May of 1975 and I remember waiting the ENTIRE SUMMER for them to write
my
new ticket (which just changed my WN1 to WA1TNK) I received it 22 1/2
weeks
later in November.  Man was that a BAD summer.

Tom - WB1L (hopefully not for very much longer)
<big grin, w/fingers and toes crossed>
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:26 1996
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From: Malezet <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: French license
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Re: French license

Connectez vous sur
http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form610A/index.html

pour avoir le formulaire pour la licence US.


Jean-Pierre, F6FLV



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Peter A. Klein)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: 30 Sep 1996 10:50:05 -0700
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A recent exchange, names deleted to protect the "innocent":

>> So I guess it's more anxiety and dread until I determine if mine
>> got there too early even with the bank clearing my check.

>Hey Xxxxx, ever consider getting a life? :-) Ham calls don't
>deserve all that energy.

I decided not to go for a vanity call.  When I moved to the Northwest in
1979, I did change my call.  I wanted my number to reflect my region.  So
I went from WA1KTA to KD7MW.  I got my Extra in 1984. I could have gotten
a 2x1 call, but I didn't like the rhythm of those calls on the air.  I did
like my present call, and by then a lot of people knew me as KD7MW, so I
stuck with it.

When Gate 2 loomed, I toyed with the idea of trying for a 1x2, but decided
not to.  The only available 1x2 with my current suffix belonged to a
deceased ham who I used to handle traffic with in the early '80s--I just
wouldn't feel comfortable being known by the call of someone I used to
know.

Then it hit me.  KD7MW is my ham "name."  I've been known by it for 13
years.  Why change it?  I'm not such a hot shot DXer/contester that one
less letter in my call would increase my QSO/millisecond ratio.  :-)

Seeing all the stress folks are going through is further evidence I made
the right decision.  If I currently held a 2x3, I probably would have gone
for a vanity call, or taken an Ax7xx Extra 2x2 as a consolation prize.
But KD7MW's good enough for me.

73,
Peter - KD7MW
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:28 1996
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From: Cecil Moore <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 10:59:36 -0700
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Randolph Kielich wrote:
>         I'll determine what is or is not important to myself in this life
> time and no one else.  If I need a 'personal manager' for my life, I'll go
> out and hire one, thank you.

With all that "anxiety and dread" suffering over a ham call at your age,
I was concerned about your health.

73, Cecil, W6RCA  (not speaking for my employer)


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:29 1996
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From: Michael Herron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity call regions
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:36:11
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I understand you can pick from the continetal call areas as you
wish but not a KH6 KL7 or similar "off shore" call area. All this
stuff is available on the ARRL's web pages. Hard to believe people
are just starting to ask at this late date about this stuff that
has been out for nearly a year now.



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert G. Schaffrath)
Newsgroups: aus.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: VK2KFU's List of Notable Amateurs
Date: 30 Sep 1996 22:46:37 GMT
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Dave Horsfall ([e-mail]) wrote:
>                         VK2KFU's List of Notable Amateurs
>
> Have you worked any of these?
>
> (snip) (snip)
>
> Disputed (some say yes, some say no):
>
>     Neil Armstrong, astronaut (but see Edwin)
>     Richard Feynman, scientist (SK)
>     Samuel F.B. Morse III, W6FZZ, grandson? (SK)
>     K2ZCZ, George Patacki, Governor of New York

Heard Pataki on the radio recently.  He commented that he was licensed
when he was a youth.

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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:31 1996
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From: Michael Herrron <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: CW Gooooood!
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 22:56:02
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Bottom line is that there will allways be us CW ops on the ham
bands. If for no other reason than that it is fun, and not so hard
to use after you have applied yourself to it to get some speed up
to a reasonable clip say 25 to 30 wpm. Iam sure alot of people
would rather everything be handed to them like welfare and
unemployment but they have little or no real dedication to their
plight. They will be here today and gone tomarrow. Allways looking
for an easier way to to get something they won't appreciate much in
the end anyway. The best thing I've seen happen since no-code is a
big increase of quality used VHF ham gear available from those who
only have marginal interest in hamming. I bought a almost new
FT-5100 for 300 bucks a year ago from such a person and he threw in
about another $150 worth of ARRL publications and mobile antennas!!



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:32 1996
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From: [e-mail] (The Book Garden Gallery)
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Subject: (1962) The Radio Amateur's Handbook
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The following might be of interest...

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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Miller)
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Subject: Re: hamradio-online.com EXCLUSIVE: WA State Eases Proposed Radio Restrictions
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:02:19 GMT
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nrhblack ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Ham radio is authorized by Federal Law which overrides State law.  Ham
: radio installations do not need to be certified.

: Henry Black P.E.  KK6JR, G4NOC

Keep in mind that while states do not regulate radio, they most
definitely regulate what you may do while operating your automobile!
Perhaps that's what this is about.
--
John Miller, N4VU                My employer pays me handsomely for my
[e-mail]               opinions, and I'll be darned if I'm going to
Fayetteville, GA                 let any of the good ones escape onto the net!


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:34 1996
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Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: 30 Sep 1996 23:45:53 GMT
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In <52nhie$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich) writes:
>       It's nuts isn't it!  I mean you try to figure out how to make it all
>work and then, *Boom*!
>
>       I mailed my application on wednesday the 18th. from Berkeley Ca.
>here at 5:30 p.m.  This was the last time they came around to empty the
>mailbox in front of the post office.  Then I got scared.  I thought what
>*if* the damn thing - by some stroke of insanity - got there on friday!
>
>       I called the post office and told him of my worries.  I was assured
>that it would be next to impossible for it to make it there on friday.  I
>agreed and felt relief, not the 100% kind of relief.
>
>       Anyhow last night I called my bank and they told me my check to the
>F.C.C. had cleared the bank and I thought, Amen!  I am in the 'pipeline'
>at least.  Now I read that - if I am understanding this correctly - that it
>is possible to have ones check clear the bank and still be turned away!
>This is 'torture' and a mind '*uck' to say the least, especially after how
>many damn government shutdowns due to scum sucking politicians in D.C.?  Yes
>*all* of them.
>
>       I was told by the woman at the FCC info number that they were being
>very strict on the date to keep thing 'fair' and I understand this.  BTW I
>found both of the women I talked to *very* informed in this area.  They knew
>the system in and out and I was told that it might be longer than 3 weeks
>before they got around to issuing Vanity calls ( got to be a better title
>for this proceedure ).
>
>       So I guess it's more anxiety and dread until I determine if mine
>got there too early even with the bank clearing my check.  This is really
>double dumb if you ask me.  This was one of the few ways the average Joe
>could find out if he or she made it through all the land mines in the
>correct sequence.
>
>       _Randy Kielich  N6? / N6WDV
>
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>           "Life is the strangest teacher..."
>                                         ---- Mikhail Gorbachev
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

 Your assumption is correct, you don't know unless you find out that your in t
he
 Work in progess file, in which case the vendor cashed your check, and the FCC
 tosses your app. FCC is assuming no responsibility for their broken process.


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From: [e-mail] (Christopher K. Greenhalgh)
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Subject: Re: 2m Wide Open in Florida
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 00:22:19 GMT
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In article <52nhet$[e-mail]> [e-mail](Gerald
Schmitt ) writes:

>I am not a liar and I demand that you stop publicly calling me a liar.

If I catch you lieing, I reserve the right to say it.

I am prepared to prove everything I say.

>I have never called any office at OSU all of my corespondence has been
>email.

I stand corrected.

>I takethis to be your invitation to register my objections to
>being called a liar with your ISP.

I have never invited you to do anything Gerald.

>Perhaps a few of the other folks who
>you have called a liar will join me.

As stated, I am prepared to prove evrything I say, or have said.

Take care Gerald.


Christopher K. Greenhalgh, N8WCT
Computer/Electronic Tech. II at The Ohio State University
E-Mail: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
AX.25 : n8wct@w8cqk.#cmh.oh.usa.noam


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:36 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: Inventors & adopters
Date: 1 Oct 1996 00:38:11 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Hans Brakob) write
s:
>Carl said:
>
>>It's high time the "CW olde fartz" stopped whining about the "good old
>>days" and realized that in the "good old days" the hams were the
>>INVENTORS and ADOPTERS of NEW TECHNOLOGY ... not the lazy, stagnated,
>>technophobes they've become.
>
>Carl,
>
>You might wish to "watch the skies" next spring when amateurs
>launch Phase 3D.  Or get a copy of the "Proceedings" of the
>latest digital conference or the last VHF conference.  Or check
>out some of the work written up in QEX in the last few issues.
>Or peek over the shoulders of the guys at TAPR.  Or subscribe to
>the "Radio Designer" reflector.  These are just a few
>"visible" places, not counting all the quiet "invisible"
>tinkerers, which suggest that "lazy, stagnated, technophobes"
>is a somewhat innacurate set of descriptors.
>
>73, de Hans, K0HB

Hans,

You're talking about the work being done by a very small percentage of
hams ... the "mainstream" (that I was referring to) is dismally
appliance operator ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




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not included).

Rich Fortnum <[e-mail]> wrote in article
<[e-mail]>...
> New Kenwood base unit due out soon?  I was told yesterday by a sales
> person that there is word out from Kenwood themselves, that there will
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> number is not known.  It will also retail, apparently under CAN$2000.
> Not bad, eh?  I'll be up for that one.
>
> Anybody have more information?
> --
>
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> F&M Breweries, Guelph, Ontario, Canada
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:38 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In <52n3m4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Flahert
y) writes:
>Bill Sohl ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>
>> I side with Carl that cost is not relavent.  Also, if you want to make
>> it a test as opposed to a random survey of spctrum, then it is
>> easy to move far more QSO's via packet than any equivalent
>> number of CW QSOs that might fit into the bandwidth the packet
>> signal occupied.
>
>Good point; I should have said "real time" QSOs.  You get infinite bandwidth
>with infinite latency.
>

Properly designed digital systems will support many more "real time"
QSOs than CW in the same spectrum ... the only reason that the packet
systems *you've* been exposed to are so damned slow is that they're
poorly designed ... I'll bet you've never seen anything faster than 9600
baud (maybe only 1200) ... and the current store&forward system can get
bogged down for many reasons ... all of which could be solved ...


your "You get infinite bandwidth with infinite latency." statement does
not make sense ... nor is it

>The issue is: What if we quadruple the number of hams on the HF bands, all
>using SSB?  Since they don't know CW, no suitable alternative exists, and
>have historically clung to wideband modes, why should we expect anything
>different to happen?
>

Well, gee ... you might actually have to SHARE "your" band(s) with
someone else. How DARE anyone propose such an outrage?!?!?!?

Seriously ... you'll have to learn to share ... and adopt/develop new
modes and techniques for sharing ... the world won't end ... it'll
actually get better ...

You CANNOT stay in the past forever ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:42 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
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Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
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In <52ng5f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Flahert
y) writes:
>Bill Newkirk ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>> so would a single 5 WPM code test be enough?
>
>Yes.  5 WPM is pretty much the minimum to prove that you can use it, which
>in turn is the limit of the government's regulatory interest in seeing that
>CW continues until a suitable replacement exists.  Anything beyond that
>is more of a mastery, and there are probably more important things to master.
>

It is not the government's "job" to "see that CW continues until
(anything) ..."

And suitable replacements are ALREADY available ... the people in the
commercial services have been using various forms of them for decades.

Only hams continue to cling to the past by insisting on CW ...

Even MARS has abandoned CW ... banning the use of the mode starting on
October 1st, 1996, I believe ...

Hello? Is anybody home?  Wake up!

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:43 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Sarrio)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Beat the pile-ups>>Cyberscheds now Available @ sarrio.com
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 18:07:56 -0700
Organization: Raymond Sarrio Co.
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This is a new use of the WWW that can benefit ham radio operators
throughout the world.

You can now schedule contacts with hams all over the world simply and
easily by using the WWW and e-mail.I have set aside a section of my web
site for hams to post their request for over-the-air schedules. Included
in the posting is a place to list the posters specific ham radio contact
needs (countries, zones,IOTA, grid squares ect...). The postings will also
include an e-mail link that will allow hams that read the posts, to easily
request an over-the-air schedule.

How Can Cyberscheds work for me?

Do you need a certain state to complete a WAS award? Are you just a few
countries away from a DXCC? Are you a QRP operator looking to make
contacts with hams all over the world? Are you a DX station that has grown
tired of the stateside pile-ups on 20 meters? Or are you going mobile into
a hard to work county?

In all the above examples you could have prearranged cyberscheds with
those hams that you want to work. If band conditions are poor just e-mail
the hams you could not work and set up a new schedule.

Cyberscheds are a simple way to have the internet work to the benefit of
hams all over the world.

All posting will stay on-line for 6 months, or until the posting is asked
to be deleted. Below is an example of one cyberpost visit the cyberpost
page and view them all
-----------------------
Station: BV/N0IAT


Name: Joe Fitter
QTH: Taipei, TAIWAN Republic of China
Bands: 40/20/17/15/10
Mode: CW (occasional SSB, but not much)
Comments: Looking for South America, Central America, and Carribean QSO's.
I QRV from a
neighbors shack (local law), so operating times are limited to station
availability. QSL via my CBA --
I DO NOT accept IRC's or Greenbacks, just please send me your QSL card and
a route for returning
the favor.
Post Date: Sept. 6, 1996
-----------------------

Visit http://www.sarrio.com and participate in your first cybersched.
--
The Raymond Sarrio Co. a full feature Ham Radio Storefront and web site develo
per. Located at http://www.sarrio.com.

In association with Brillar Enterprises http://win-win.com/brillar provider of
 discount CD-Roms!



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:45 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 1 Oct 1996 01:11:24 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:
>In article <52kh2s$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>
>>Gary ... your point is (as usual) valid ... however, the CW folks
>>continue to refuse to even consider switching ... in light of yout last
>>sentence above this speaks volumes :-)
>
>You're being overly harsh again.

I disagree ... these folks NEED a wake-up call ...

>Today, there is no *need* to switch. Numbers have not yet climbed to a
>level where a choice must be made. Current HF enabled licensees have a
>large sunk investment in Morse wetware conditioning. They are reluctant
>to discard that while they can still get marginal utility
>from it.
>

I understand the latter part, but disagree with the first part ... due
to the wetware conditioning, it takes longer to effect change ... there
is considerable resistance to ANYTHING that looks, feels, sounds, or
even smells like it might be modern and progressive ... in order to
overcome this inertia, we must begin applying pressure now ... sort of
like the concept of ion propulsion ... force applied over time will
eventually cause significant acceleration ...

>>>Susan Ness is correct. We can accomodate arbitrarily many
>>>amateurs on HF if we use techniques better than the ones
>>>we use now.
>>
>>I would suspect that the Hon. Ms. Ness only knows that because some
>>engineer on her staff told her that, but at least SHE has the sense to
>>believe good engineering advice ... that's a LOT more than can be said
>>for significant numbers of today's licensed hams ...
>
>While I do believe you are correct that Commissioner Ness is
>a lawyer rather than an engineer, you must also realize that
>she has a different objective, a different metric in mind,
>when she looks at spectral usage than current amateur licensees
>have.

That's EXACTLY the point *I've* been *trying* to make ... we HAVE to
understand HER agenda and HER metrics or we're screwed from the start.
The things that we presently have to offer will NOT stand up to the
commercial interests in the future ... we have to modernize and grow in
order to be able to stand scrutiny under HER metrics ...

>She is charged to maximize spectral value in the public
>interest.

And we won't measure up very well right now ... and if we don't change,
it'll only get worse in the future ... the old guard may not like or
want to accept this reality, but reality it is ... sticking our
collective heads in the sand is suicidal, 'cause the commercial
interests will come along with one of those big, gas-powered
"weed-wackers" (the kind with the steel blades, not the light-weight
kind with a stupid nylon string) and wack us off by our scrawny necks
..

>Amateurs are primarily motivated to protect their individual private
>interests. For the most part, that oftem appears to them to be best
?served by defending the status quo rather than embracing more
>spectrally efficient methods of communicating.
>
This is, obviously, EXACTLY THE WRONG COURSE OF (in)ACTION ...

>Entrenched interests fear change because they aren't sure what
>their place will be in the new order. Thus they tend to vigorously
>defend the status quo. Only a relative handful see change as an
>opportunity rather than a threat.
>

Everone better start seeing a LACK of change as a BIG threat ...

>You must consider that if we were to demonstrate that we could
>use our spectrum more efficiently, and if we then didn't have
>sufficient numbers to fully occupy it at that higher level,
>we'd risk losing some of the spectrum we have warehoused.
>
>As long as the bands appear full, to the naive who don't know
>there are better ways to use them, they look safe. Unfortunately
>for the naive, the Commission appears to be discovering that
>there are more efficient ways of using spectrum.
>

EXACTLY ... they're becoming aware of that ... and demanding the end of
the status quo ... enacting tougher spectral-efficiency standards for
type-acceptance of Part 90 (land mobile) gear shows that they're serious
.. they'll cause the Part 90 folks to replace their gear ... that's
$$$.  Too bad ... more demand=use it more efficiently ... that will
apply to us, too ... don't bitch and whine "it'll cost $ to buy a new
rig" ...  they won't care ...  whining about it when they're requiring
the commercial folks to upgrade will simply piss them off ..

>If we want to keep the bands we have, it seems to me that we
>must first increase numbers to such an extent that amateurs
>will voluntarily adopt more efficient methods in order to cope.
>That keeps our spectral occupancy high while at the same time
>showing we're willing to use what we have to best effect. If
>we don't do this, we may find a Part 90 style solution imposed
>on us, and then find parts of our bands taken because we aren't
>occupying them fully.
>

There's NO reason that we can't be AT LEAST as spectrally efficient as
the Part 90 folks ...

[snipped the remainder ... I agree with it, without need for comment]


Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:45 1996
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From: bosa@newshost (Lino Bosa)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Shops in Chicago O'Hare area
Date: 1 Oct 1996 01:15:27 GMT
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I'm visiting Chicago for the next few weeks and was wondering
if there are any Amateur Radio shops that someone could recommend
in the Chicago O'Hare area. In particular, around the Rosemont area.


Thanks,

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Lino Bosa  VE7 LFG                                      e-mail: [e-mail]
MPR Teltech Ltd.
Burnaby, B.C. Canada
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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:48 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: 1 Oct 1996 01:25:44 GMT
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In <52lq47$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Kehler
) writes:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>
>>>The point is that CW is a very *popular* means of communication.
>
>>Doesn't matter one damned bit!!! Popularity does NOT make it a
>>legitimate licensing requirement.
>
>That is correct. The FCC made it a licensing requirement, not popularity.
>

But the pro-coders keep insisting that it should be maintained as a
requirement because of its alleged popularity ... that's the rub ...
that's why I pointed out that its popularity, or lack thereof as the
case may be, is irrelevant with respect to its continued suitability as
a licensing requirement ...

>>>Thousands of hams throughout the world enjoy conversing in a "language"
>
>>It's NOT a F___ing language!!! It's ONLY an old, inefficient means of
>>encoding text into on/off keyed signals.  NOTHING MORE ...
>
>Sure it is a F____ing language.

Is NOT ... it's ONLY a code ... I can encode ANY _language_ that uses
the same alphabet (English, French, German, pick one) in Morse ...


>But only to those of us who *understand*
>it.....  Chinese is a language to people in China, but not to me. To me, it's
>just noise.

I understand Morse ... it's STILL noise ...

>Sounds like geese F___ing.

Sounds like Morse to me ...

>But we can't make all the Chinese people in the world speak English just
>because I don't understand Chinese, can we Carl ?

So why make all hams learn to "speak" Morse, just because you don't
understand English???

?And we can't make
>all the hams in the world stop taking CW tests and using CW just because you
>don't understand dits and dahs......
>

OK, here's a deal ... we'll make the Morse test *optional*  ... doesn't
count for squat, but *you* can take it if *you* want to and if it makes
*you* fell good ... but nobody is *forced* to take it ...

To do otherwise is EXACTLY the same as to "make all the Chinese people
in the world speak English just because (you) don't understand Chinese"
and you already admitted that that wasn't fair ... (gottcha)

>Doesn't matter who likes
>it or doesn't like it, as long as the FCC thinks we need to take CW tests,
>those of us who want to get on HF will continue to take them.
>

That's EXACTLY why we're debating the issue here ... because we want to
get the rules changed and we're trying to educate people to why they
should support that idea ...

Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:50 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Carl Stevenson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RIP MARS CW
Date: 1 Oct 1996 01:29:07 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail].([e-mail] (Joseph.buch@d
ol.net (joe) writes:
>Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 02:13:58 GMT
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>From: [e-mail] (Joe Buch)
>Subject: RIP MARS CW
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>
>As of 0000 UTC 1 October 1996 CW is prohibited on
>frequencies controlled by the US Department of Defense
>including MARS frequencies.
>
>Paraphrasing Samuel Morse, "What God hath wrought the DoD
>hath put asunder."
>
>I hope somebody out there can copy PACTOR in their head for
>the day when the fit hits the shan.
>

Joe,

Relax ... as one who has designed comms gear for DoD, I can assure you
..  When the "fit hits the shan," properly designed hardware and
software will out-survive and out-perform Morse-conditioned wetware ...
despite the old-timer's fears and doubts ...


Carl - wa6vse
[e-mail]




From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:53 1996
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From: [e-mail] (The Tie-Dyed Side of the Force)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy,rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Question for Carl and The No Code Group
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 96 01:34:35 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:
>Part of the cost of Morse is the wetware conditioning required,
>and the government speed tests serve to neutralize that cost by
>requiring even those who would use other less costly methods to
>pay it.

Even though the cost to some of us is over 500 times higher (AND COUNTING!)
compared to those who have an aptitude for it.

> That is effectively an artificial subsidy to Morse, just
>as a protective import tariff is a subsidy to inefficient domestic
>manufacturers, and makes the competition uneven.

It does indeed.

>Without that subsidy, I think you are correct that Morse would,
>if not become extinct, at least become much less used.

It may see more use rather than less.  The people who can learn it quickly
will still be attracted to it, and that will include a number of people
who would never have become hams if they had to learn it up front.

>I would not be surprised, or disappointed, if it became like AM, something
>people tinker with only for nostalgic reasons.

I believe this is already the case.

> I believe that's as it should be.

Agreed.


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mike D'Alto, N3KFN)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: Vanity Calamity
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 03:03:41 GMT
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Guy tells you to get a life, and he's busy minding yours.  Hmmm. . .
Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

On 30 Sep 1996 07:43:54 GMT, [e-mail] (Randolph Kielich) wrote:

>Cecil Moore ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Randolph Kielich wrote:
>: > So I guess it's more anxiety and dread until I determine if mine
>: > got there too early even with the bank clearing my check.
>
>: Hey Randy, ever consider getting a life? :-) Ham calls don't
>: deserve all that energy.
>
>       I'll determine what is or is not important to myself in this life
>time and no one else.  If I need a 'personal manager' for my life, I'll go
>out and hire one, thank you.
>
>       _Rx_
>
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>        "The normal person is someone whom we we just don't know very
>         well yet..." -- Karen Horney, Psychiatrist
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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73 es DX,
Mike D'Alto, N3KFN http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1641


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From: [e-mail] (r)
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Subject: Qsl Info File Free!!
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: RIP MARS CW
Date: 1 Oct 1996 03:37:12 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail].([e-mail] (Joseph.buch@d
ol.net (joe) writes:
>
>I hope somebody out there can copy PACTOR in their head for
>the day when the fit hits the shan.
>Real radios weigh 85 pounds             |  _               _  |
>Real radios glow in the dark            |_____________________|

yeah, yeah, yeah. wonder what you can't hear with those old tube things?
wonder if it's possible to put an HF receiver in a large PCMCIA package?
seems like the parts are in the right size/capability range now....use one of
those
edge connectors to break out the audio (or is there a way to the laptop's ster
eo
speakers from the inside?

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:57 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.misc
Subject: Re: SCREW THE CODE!!
Date: 1 Oct 1996 03:48:42 GMT
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In <52o0ju$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jamie R. Dean) writes:
>  The reason I'm writing this is to ask that the sensless war on code
>stop. By fussing back and forth for years your not doing anything but
>taking up bandwidth.

oh, you poor misunderstanding man...our day is just not complete until we've
beaten the code test discussion to death again.

>I mean the ITU and FCC have the final say so on
>this matter.

well kinda. may i suggest reviewing the literature of the late 1980's to
see just how the code free ticket rules came about. i believe you'll find
it to be a grass roots movement. in particular, review the ARRL's proposal and
compare and contrast to the QCWA proposal that was pretty much accepted
for the way to go. the FCC is an agency of the US government and has
procedures for petitions to change the rules, y'know.

>We can yell and scream and do like in the olden days
>before black were excepted and talk no-codes and drag them behind
>cars, or make them stay only on this frequency or band, but when it
>all comes down to it, only the FCC and ITU can say you must get your
>code or you must get out of radio. Is it such an issue that we would
>actually lose sleep over it? Coded hams have there HF bands and us
>NO-codes have 6 meters and up. We never even have to speak if the
>coded hams didn't want to.

-----------------vvvvv
"coded hams have there HF bands..." ick. what? you sleep through both
english and civics? the code-free ham license is only 5-3/4 years old (2/14/91
).

>  I'm proud to be a ham. I've run a APRS packet station for about 1
>year now and I see no need for HF or code to do this. I'm quite happy.

oh, a whole year..well, ok, that's wonderful. more power to you. i might sugge
st
that you investigate other facets of the amateur radio service to be familiar
with them..

>And isn't that way we all get a hobby? to be happy? I would hope so.

it's not a hobby, exactly. it's defined as a service in the rule books. that's
 an
important point. see basis and purpose in 97.1. to that end APRS needs
investigation and perfection so that fits in nicely...

>So folks let the code war stop. It is not important. We and wasting
>bandwidth and airspace when we can't change what the FCC and ITU says.

but we did..that's how come there's a code-free license today...

>Be kind to your fellow ham. Puttingg him down for being a no-code will
>not make him get his code any faster.
>
>73's
>Jamie - KE4HTM
>[e-mail]
>http://www.bluenet.net/ke4htm

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:58 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Icom IC T7A mods needed
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 1996 23:53:44 -0400
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I'm looking for Mars-Cap mods for the Icom IC T7A. Any help would be
appreciated.    MC


From [e-mail] Thu Oct 03 14:29:59 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
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Subject: Re: Vanity calls -- someone else eats my pie?
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In <[e-mail]>, Stan Vandiver <[e-mail]> writes:
>One of my "proposed" vanity calls (W4DX) was also issued just before the
>opening of
>Gate 2.  It just makes you *WONDER* why, if someone was eligible
>earlier, they would
>choose to wait 'till the last minute like that?
>Stan/KD9BE

radio clubs have procedures to follow. probably took a lot of soul searching
to decide to file an application, and then they had to find $30 to spend and g
et
a check cut etc. many only get the news via paper magazines and so many
probably started quite some time after the gun sounded...

Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.