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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:37:54 1996
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From: Ken Bessler <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: homepage revised
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 00:28:24 -0500
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Dave Booth wrote:
>
> I just revised my homepage if you want to check it out.
> new stuff!
> --
> Dave Booth
>  kc6wfs

I am always ready to surf....However I do need a URL....:-)


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:37:55 1996
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From: Bob Lewis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: 2m Amplifier for Packet?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 08:21:23 -0400
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Rob Janssen wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
o-state.edu (Christopher K. Greenhalgh) writes:
>
> >I just got done experimenting with my station. I set TXD to 255 (2.5 second
s).
> >My station in fact (Kantronics 9612) has carrier only (no data) for those f
irst
> >2 and a half seconds, after PTT has been made.
>
> This means your TNC is broken.  Either by design, or just your unit.
>
> >Perhaps I didnt make myself clear, or we are talking about something
> >different...could you please follow up?
>
> Gary is right in that a TNC during the TXDELAY interval should send flags.
>
> Even sending zeroes, as some TNCs can do, is not really a good idea.
> Sending a blank carrier is just plain wrong.
>
> Rob
> --
> +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
+
> | Rob Janssen       [e-mail] | BBS: [phone] (2300-0730 local)
|
> | AMPRnet:       [e-mail] | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8WNO.#UTR.NLD.EU
|
> +------------------------------------+--------------------------------------
+

Flags or square waves depending on TNC type and settings.



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:37:56 1996
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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Revised Homepage URL
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Sorry for not having the url in there....
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860

Enjoy!!!!!

dave booth kc6wfs
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:37:57 1996
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From: Joesph Fenn <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Many Rejects
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:28:53 -1000
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To: Jerry Yochelson <[e-mail]>
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On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Jerry Yochelson wrote:

I'm brand new to packet radio.  I put up a BayPak BP-2M with my
Radio Shack HTX-202.  This seems to be working (sort of) on 2 meters,
but I see that my station is sending many rejects and so it takes a
very long time to transfer messages.  The data is coming in S9.
d I'm using the BayCom 1.40 software that came in the package.  What
 (if anything) can I try to adjust to improve this?  Thanks in advance.
   73,
     Jerry, AA2ZY
 Well Jerry, not too familiar with your baycom.  (Im still using the


MFJ 1171. and Digicom 128 V5.  But in AX.25 packet if you are just
starting dont wanna insult you by stuff that is obvious.  Try adjusting
the timing for followins params   TXDELAY (try set to 40) AXHANG (try
moving it up or down in timing) RESPTIME (try playing with nrs on this
too Usually 0 is okay but you can make it wait up to 16 with no problem.
Maxframes (set to 7) PACLEN (set to 255).  The above applies if you
have an excellent signal patch to the one your transferring msg tfc to.
If you dont then narrow down the PACLEN to 64 or 128.   TXDELAY can be
adjusted upward to 80 with no problem except slows things down little.
AXHANG also the larger the # the slower it gets but sometimes must be
done if your going through a digipeater thats slow keying.
     Hope the above helps.  Keep your original params by saving them
to disk or into the TNC memory before playing around so you can always
go back to them later as a return point.
                KH6JF ABM6JF (MARS Packet net NCS)





From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:37:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Woodstock)
Date: 01 Aug 96 21:15:00
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Terminal Software
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Hello KA5Q!

Wednesday July 31 1996 14:53, KA5Q wrote to All:


 KQ> PKGold works fine with the PK96.  The PK96 looks just like a PK88 to
 KQ> the software.  The latest versions of PK/KAgold have many excellent
 KQ> features. These programs are written for DOS, but work fine under  Win
 KQ> 95 or 3.1. 73, Ken/KA5Q/6

Thanks..

John
     *************************************************************
     * Internet: [e-mail] / [e-mail] / Ham Call *
     * Snail Mail: P.O. Box 436 / Coram NY 11727-0436 /    N2HAA *
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--
| Internet: [e-mail]  BBS: [phone]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:38:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: Re: FAQ?
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:34:10 GMT
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In article <4trn8r$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Wayne
Morellini) wrote:

> I am interested in the Packet Radio FAQ, can anybody direct me to it?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Wayne.
> [e-mail]
>
Hi Wayne:

My Home Page is posting the new Ham Radio.FAQ that has links to
a packet radio specific FAQ but also has LINKS to many other
related subjects - TAPR, TCP/IP, etc.

73,

                 John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
             144 Pepperidge Dr |_|   |_| www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v
     Manchester, NH 03103-6150 |_|_ _|_| [e-mail]
     V 603.533.3472 F 627.1623 | | | | | Paging [e-mail]

                www.lecroy.com/tm/appnotes/appnotes.html


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:38:00 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Seney, WD1V,   LeCroy T&M   800.553.2769)
Subject: ATTN: Mac Software Users/Authors
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Date: Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:38:46 GMT
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  ATTN: Mac Software Users/Authors for Amateur Radio Market

  This is to advise you that Terry Stader, KA8SCP has
  turned over the Amateur Radio Macintosh Software List
  to me. (Thanks to Terry and Patty, N6BIS)

  The new list is on the WWW and includes LINKS

  http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v/page5.html

  Please check it out when you get a chance and let me know
  if your data currently posted is accurate and current.

73,

                 John D. Seney |_|_|_|_| [e-mail]
             144 Pepperidge Dr |_|   |_| www.mv.com/ipusers/wd1v
     Manchester, NH 03103-6150 |_|_ _|_| [e-mail]
     V 603.533.3472 F 627.1623 | | | | | Paging [e-mail]

                www.lecroy.com/tm/appnotes/appnotes.html


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:38:02 1996
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Subject: RE: RF attenuation of mirrored glass at 900 Mhz ?
Date: 3 Aug 96 14:14:13 GMT
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 Hi,

 I doubt that there is much loss to the coated glass. Mirrored glass, like
in mirrors would probably be as attenuating as a sheet of metal, tho.

 When we set up the Chicago side of the WB6WEY wormhole, initially, we had
a straight shot out a coated glass window, 1 mile to one of our main nodes.
With 10 mw, on 1.2 Ghz, it was plenty solid signal. I worked out we had 20
dB margin, theoretically, with the antennas we were using, not considering
the glass.

 The lower the frequency, the less the loss will be, as attenuation in such
mediums is a similar function to an RC decay, with the frequency being akin
to the time constant. And since the coating on the glass is a fixed thickness,
the lower the frequency, the smaller the thickness of the coating in wavelen-
gths.

 Glass coatings are a much smaller problem getting signals out of buildings,
than other things. Such as multipath, and absorbtive building materials (con-
crete, stone facia, corregated steel lined concrete flooring).

 When we moved the Chicago side of the wormhole to a new office building,
500 yards, from the same node as before, we had a change in the path. Instead
of shooting out a window, we now had to shoot thru the entire building, a buil
-
ding with narrow tall windows, and limestone facia. Additionally, we had to
defract over a building across the street. In this same situation, 2 watts
was just enuf. And indeed, at times the path to a node 5 miles away, but on
xx via much less of the building, worked better than the path to the node
500 yards away.

 Here in my home qth, a third floor apartment, with an indoor antenna, I had
lots of problems with a J pole antenna because of reflections and rfi. From
day to day, there could be a null in the direction of the packet gateway, de-
pending on the movements of metal objects in my , and my neighbors apartments.
Additionally, the rfi would squish my computer screen, and make the computer
speakers dance.

 To get around this problem I built up a flat panel antenna. It has very good
F/B ratio, and about 6 dB gain (4 times better than the J-pole). If ur inter-
ested in this solution, please E-mail me.


73, Don.

Mailbox : WB9MJN @ N9HSI.IL.USA.NA
AMPRNet : [e-mail][44.72.98.19]
Internet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:38:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nuytens)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: N6GN Microwave Data Link
Date: 3 Aug 1996 14:45:51 GMT
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In message <[e-mail]> - John Clark
<[e-mail]>Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:17:30 -0400 writes:
:>
:>I'm trying to build a 10 Mbps version of N6GN's 2 Mbps X-band data link.
:>I have a copy of _Packet: Speed, More Speed, and Applications_, but I'm
:>having trouble finding one part.  The receiver schematic diagram shows a
:>component labelled SRA-1 mixer.  I can tell that it's a doubly-balanced
:>diode mixer, but where can I get one?  Or do I have to build it myself?
:>Would a NE-602 work?  Can anybody help me?  Thanks!
:>
:>- John (N3IFG)

The SRA-1 is a commonly available component from Mini-Circuits.

Call 800-654-7949 for their distribution centers. A 1992 catalog that I have
lists the SRA-1 for $13.45 for 1-9 quantity.

A NE-602 will probably not work in this application. The SRA-1 is designed to
accept a +7 DB LO and +1 DB RF inputs. I don't think the NE-602 handles much
above -15 DB for its 1 DB compression point. If you were building a homebrew
transverter for weak-signal work, it would probably fair better.


Jim Nuytens
V.P., Delaware Repeater Association
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~dra


"I do have a cause. It is obsenity...........I'm for it!"

                                        Tom Lehrer



From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:38:07 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Newbie Question, Gateways etc.
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 1996 14:48:24 -0700
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To: George Cire <[e-mail]>

George Cire wrote:
>
> I am brand new to packet radio and would like some suggestions
> regarding books or other printed material about packet radio,
> specfically how to access and use gateway nodes, wormholes and other
> topics such as  BBS operation..  The only book I've read so far is
> Your Packet Companion (ARRL).  It was of great help but I now need
> futher info on the basic side of this subject including TCP/IP etc.
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance and 73
>
> George Cire
> WD5FMC, [e-mail]

Hi George, I highly recommend Larry Kenney's (WB9LOZ) excellent tutorial
at URL:

http://itg-pc1.acns.nwu.edu/~odenbach/classes/c96/packetradio.txt

Also Packet to Internet Gateways are discussed at URL:

http://www.arasmith.com/n0ary/index.html
A snip from the page
"N0ARY/BBS

The N0ARY BBS is a full service amateur radio packet bbs that also
provides a bidirectional
gateway to internet. The bbs interacts with a powerful natural language
interface allowing the
novice user to "talk" with the bbs. The bbs features many features not
available on other amateur
bbs'.

Good packeteering

Rod in San Diego

Speaking with forked keyboard (Own PC and Mac)
--
Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:38:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Curt Sanders)
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Subject: Website updated
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New and improved Web site!   www.QTH.com/N3TLJ  *Curt's Cyber Corner*
* faster loading home page
* aminated GIF
* for Ham Radio operators -- new URL form for updating/adding new sites
also with 262 selected new Ham Radio links added since mid-June 96.
Come visit! Netscape or Internet Explorer recommended to appreciate the site.


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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: This is as "misc" as it gets..
Date: 4 Aug 1996 03:12:31 -0400
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The following packages are for sale to the interested beginner
into computers and/or packet..........Standby


                  COMPUTER EQUIPMENT SALE

System 1

    *    Camped 386SX/16MHZ Computer
    *    14" Packard Bell VGA Monitor
    *    101 Key Keyboard
    *    Serial Mouse
    *    Joystick
    *    4 MB RAM
    *    TSENG VGA graphics card
    *    85 MB Hard Drive
    *    Sound Blaster Pro Audio Card
    *    Speakers
    *    3.5" 1.44 MB Floppy Drive
    *    14.4Kbps Twincom Data/Fax Modem
    *    DOS  and Windows 3.1

------------------------------------------

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    *    386 DX/25MHZ Computer ----- Upgraded to 486.
    *    30387 Math Co-processor
    *    101 Key Keyboard
    *    Logitech 3 button mouse
    *    ACER 34T UVGA 14" monitor
    *    5 MB RAM
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    *    340 MB Hard Drive
    *    105 MB Hard Drive
    *    Sound Blaster Pro
    *    Single Speed CD-ROM
    *    Speakers
    *    16 Bit NE2000 Compatible ethernet LAN card
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------------------------------------------

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    *    486 SLC Laptop
    *    120 MB Hard Drive
    *    4 MB RAM
    *    Built In Track ball
    *    external SVGA monitor port
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    *    2400 bps modem

------------------------------------------

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    you are not interested pass this sheet along or ask
    around to your friends that may be.

    Thanks in advance.  Rob McGhee - 73 - KF4EVG
    730-2625

    Please talk to the answering machine if I am not able to
    get to the phone.

--

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From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:38:09 1996
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From: "Clifford H. Gieseke" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: DSP-59+
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 09:14:44 -0700
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I bought a Timewave DSP-59+ at a swapfest a number of months ago hoping
it would help with noise reduction on SSB as described by Timewave. So
far, though, it seems noisier on than off, and is only useful
autonotching hytrodynes, which a much cheaper Radio Shack unit does
equally well. The DSP-59+ performance is nothing remotely close to the
glowing testimonials Timewave shows on its web page. Could it be
defective, or ???
Cliff, W4ZFL/5
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Aug 05 11:38:13 1996
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From: Phil Sussman <[e-mail]>
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Subject: RF expouse limits
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 20:09:57 -0400
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As you might be aware, the FCC has set Jan -1, 1997 as
a compliance date for all US ham radio operations to comply
with NTIS Bulletin 65 with respect to RF exposure limits.
This would SEVERELY affect operators of FSK and PSK
because they are considered 'continious transmissions'

There is an FCC imposed exemption for any transmitter
UNDER 50 watts. Over 50 watts, a ham must insure that
he complies with NTIS-65.

I am looking for a copy, preferably on-line, of NTIS
Bulletin 65.

Can anyone help on this?

73 de Phil - KB8LUJ

regarding RF exposure limits.


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:46:49 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Jones)
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Subject: ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference, Hotel Update
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 96 17:52:15 -0600
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ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference, Hotel Update
Seattle, Washington, Sept 20-22, 1996.
---

Several people have called the TAPR office informing us that the DCC
Conference Hotel (Quality Inn) had some error in their system over the past
week in regards to the DCC.

The error was that they had canceled our conference :-)

If you called the DCC conference hotel in the last few days and were told
that the conference had been canceled, it was not.  This has been corrected
at the hotel.  Please call the Quality Inn again and make your reservations.


Be sure to tell them that you are with the 'ARRL and TAPR DCC'.

If you are coming in Sept, be sure to make your room reservations early in
order to get the rooms that are available in the Quality Inn.  Rooms in the
Radisson are slightly more expensive in costs.  We have a room block until
the first of September, but that block is filling quickly.

For full details on the ARRL and TAPR Digital Communications Conference,
check

         http://www.tapr.org

or call the TAPR office [phone].

-----

ARRL and TAPR DCC Hotel Information

Conference presentations, meetings, and workshops will be held at the
Quality Inn Seattle Airport, a complex co-located with the Radisson Hotel
Seattle Airport. Rooms rates are $66/single-double and $76/triple. When
making reservations with the hotel, be sure to indicate you are attending
the ARRL and TAPR DCC conference. It is highly recommended that you book
your room prior to arriving - a block of 75 rooms is reserved until
September 1st, 1996. After the 75 rooms are booked, rooms will only be
available in the Radisson hotel, but will be at a higher price. Be sure to
book your rooms early! The hotel provides transportation to and from SeaTac
Airport. You should contact the hotel to arrange airport transportation.

       Quality Inn Seattle Airport (conference hotel)
       17101 Pacific Highway South, Seattle, WA, 98188
       [phone], Fax [phone]

       Radisson Hotel Seattle Airport (alternate hotel)
       17101 Pacific Highway South, Seattle, WA, 98188
       [phone], Fax [phone]


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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:46:50 1996
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Can you help us find Gracilis ?
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:10:41 GMT
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Hello !

Some members of our group are frantically engaged in building Dale's
GRAPES Modems and the associated transverters to go with them in order
to provide some experimental user links in our area.

As part of the experiment may involve a "full duplex" option we'd
like to get hold of or build some Gracilis HDLC cards.  So far several
approaches to Messrs PacComm to purchase have been turned down on
availability grounds, and experiments are being conducted presently
with Baycom USCC cards.

We'd now like to do our best to construct these Gracilis cards ourselves
if the designers permit.  Could any kind reader provide any pointers to
us as to where we might find the necessary diagrams and equations ? or
perhaps even a member of their design team !

73, Gareth.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:46:51 1996
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Subject: Re: CORRECTION - FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
Date: 6 Aug 1996 11:38:01 -0700
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I just want to know how to check if I comply or not. I downloaded the
PDF from the FCC, and the measurements listed there are WAY above me.
Is there a chart available for this?
I'm not too concerned because I only exceed 50W on 10M (100W), but
would still be interesting to know.


Rob Neff (N7ORY)



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:46:53 1996
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From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
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You'll get a T1 connection which you could attach to your router.

I hope you don't consider the school application too critical.
Remember, part 15 devices must put up with any interference they
receive.  Not only that, if you happen to interfere with anyone
else, you can be requested to shut down.

I have looked at the early lynx receivers.  What they do is add
their own PN code at about eight times the data rate.  That in
itself wouldn't be a big deal, except that the receive side is
wide open.  They use a very wideband discriminator to receive
the whole FSK PN+signal mess.  Then they digitally xor
themselves with the incoming PN signal.  It will work, until
some stronger signal appears anywhere in the passband. Then
the discriminator goes in to capture and you're screwed.

Lynx is relying on the very low activity in the 2 GHz band to get
away with this stupid trick.  That situation is likely to change
soon.  If you expect PCS to show up anytime soon, you had best
avoid this stuff...

73,
Jake Brodsky, mailto:[e-mail]
PP-ASEL-IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ MD24
Amateur Radio Station AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:46:54 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Langner WB2OSZ)
Subject: Re: DL4SAW SSTV with XGA-2 on PS/2? Luck, anyone?????
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In article <4tto1g$[e-mail]>,
Mark Walker (N9HCI) <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Just wondered if anyone is using the dl4saw sstv software on a ps/2
>with XGA-2 video board.  ...
>

Many of the SSTV programs are very fussy about the types of
video displays supported.  Take a look at EZ SSTV version 3.
It operates in 9 different display modes (640x480, 16/256/32k/65k/16M
colors and 800x600, 256/32k/64k/16M colors).

More information and download instructions can be found at
http://www.ultranet.com/~sstv/ezsstv.html

73,
John



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:46:55 1996
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Bill Sohl wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell) wrote:
>
> >***** Breaking News Story *****
> >FCC Ruling Prohibits Unreasonable Restrictions on TV Antennas
> >by Ham Radio Online, 7 August 1996
>
> >In a major ruling, the FCC declared void local laws prohibiting
> >or restricting the use of small wireless dish antennas.
> >More significantly, the FCC declared that use of small dish
> >antennas and television receiving antennas can not be restricted
> >by "any private covenant, homeowners' association rule or similar
> >restriction on property within the exclusive use or control of
> >the antenna user". Under the federal pre-emption, all homeowners
> >must be allowed to install TV antennas. Longer term this ruling may
> >have important ramifications for eliminating restrictions on Amateur
> >Radio antennas.
>
> >The complete story is available at Ham Radio Online at:
> >http://206.13.40.11/
>
> Wow, do I have a couple of ideas for some QST articles
> that begin  with a title:  How to build a (enter your
> favorite band here) meter antenna that looks like a TV
> antenna :-)
>
> Bill Sohl  K2UNK
> ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ

How about a sky of aluminum with a $40 Radio Shack Antenna on top?
YES!!!!!

73 de JIM N2ZZ


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From: [e-mail] (erikc)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 03:46:34 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

>>|[e-mail] (Gary Fiber) wrote:

>>|It won't be long before our stools must be tested to comply with EPA
>>|emissions standards.  Why don't they just skip right to the end
>>|result, and declare everything to cause cancer. Then we can sue
>>|everyone for being a contibutor to our demise. Problem with that is,
>>|there would probably be an environmental fee attached to whatever you
>>|are awarded, so the government and enviro-weirdos can sleep easier at
>>|night knowing you can't spend it on waste-producing polutants.

>>|New Surgeon Generals warning label:

>>|"The Surgeon General has determined that prolonged brain usage may
>>|cause cancer, premature aging and death. Try not to think, live
>>|longer."

>>|Rob Neff (N7ORY)

More to the point, the leading cause of death in this country is being
born.  ;-)  Get used to it.

Erikc


Religious fundamentalists are a plague sent by God to
punish us for our joys. -- me



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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 02:52:42 GMT
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OK, so where can we find a copy of these rules
on the internet?

>In article  [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell) writes:
>:>The FCC has issued new rules regarding the evaluation of RF Emissions and
>:>health effects from all transmitters. As always, the devil is in the detail
s
>:>and the details say that if you transmit over 50 watts, you may have
>:>to perform an RF emissions environmental assessment of your Amateur station
.


Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



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From: [e-mail] (Bill Sohl)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
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[e-mail] (Gary Fiber) wrote:

>[e-mail] (Ed Mitchell) wrote:
>>The FCC has issued new rules regarding the evaluation of RF Emissions and
>>health effects from all transmitters.
>>You can read the complete text of the relevent FCC ruling in FCC 96-396 at
>>Ham Radio Online magazine, available on the Internet at:
>>   http://206.13.40.11/
>>(we had to move to a new server and are waiting for InterNIC to move our
>>www.hamradio-online.com domain name to the new server)

>This could get real interesting.  .......
>  Also I wonder what the FCC intends to do with all the land mobile equipment
>as most all is 100 watts.  The article implies a mobile station operating ove
r
>50 watts could also not be in compliance with the guidelines..
>Gary

Yep, all the police cars in my town run 100 watts at 39 MHz.
Should be interesting as said...

Bill Sohl  K2UNK
ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ



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From: [e-mail] (Dan Finn)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
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[e-mail] (Gary Coffman) wrote:


>However, Part 90 *portable* radio stations are categorically exempted.
>I'm not sure the FCC considers "mobile" rigs to be "portable" radio
>stations. If not, *each* installation must be certified. Otherwise,
>they're exempt *regardless* of power level. Cops always seem to be
>"more equal" under the law than you or me.

Does anyone know off hand if they are using the IEEE C92.1 limits? If
so, Anybody trying to transmit at the normal 100W in a residential
neighborhood (ie, low wire dipole antenna) may be in trouble. Forget
about using attic antennas. The standard penalizes efficient antennas.
I also believe the limits vary wiith frequency; I know that that the
allowable ERP at 800MHz is only about 0.4W, compared to the previous
7W Max. transmitter power (the old standard did not consider antenna
efficiency). I also know that 800MHz products designed well below the
7W transmitter power level usually did not meet the 0.4W ERP or that
other parameter, SAR (for products held close to the ear). Yes, our
handheld devices may be exempted but my point is that, if FCC is using
the 1992 IEEE standard, amateurs in residential areas (a large portion
of the ham population) will at the very least be marginal at 100W, if
they use wire dipoles, G5RV's, slopers etc.,  and I believe the small
600W linears will be out of the question. I hate to sound like I'm
sounding a false alarm but I'm not ready yet to buy into ARRL's
contention ( D. Sumner) that the new regulation will show how safe
amateur installations really are. I'm sure he has a high tower to take
advantage of 1/R**2. The new IEEE limits are much lower than the
previous standard, but we will not start seeing this until after we
start making the measurements.

73

KR4AJ



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul E. Campbell)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
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[e-mail] wrote:
: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber) wrote:
:
: It won't be long before our stools must be tested to comply with EPA
: emissions standards.  Why don't they just skip right to the end
: result, and declare everything to cause cancer. Then we can sue
: everyone for being a contibutor to our demise. Problem with that is,
: there would probably be an environmental fee attached to whatever you
: are awarded, so the government and enviro-weirdos can sleep easier at
: night knowing you can't spend it on waste-producing polutants.

Uhh..you do realize that rainwater does not meet EPA regulations for discharge
into public bodies of water? EPA rules say pH MUST be 6-8. The fact that
absorbed carbon dioxide makes it pH 5.5 makes rainwater a violation of EPA
regulations.

Also spring floods due to particulates. To say nothing of natural background
radiation, mercury, lead, etc., in areas that have that stuff.


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:12 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Andy Domonkos)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
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Peter A. Klein ([e-mail]) wrote:
:
: I'm sure the ARRL, not to mention many commercial organizations, would
: raise quite a squawk if every user of a 50+ watt transmitter in the U.S.
: had to file Love Canal-style paperwork.  This would involve every police
: and fire department in the country, for starters.
:
: 73,
: Peter - KD7MW

Exactly! What about hospitals (where one goes to get healed supposedly)
and their 5 kilowatt ERP pager antennas? I'm serious, I've seen the specs
required by some hospitals here in Md for their paging network. Not to
mention commercial pagers.

Like the new bogus stricter vehicle emmissions laws, if you don't meet EPA
requirement you have to pay waiver penalty (in Maryland, $150 for 2
years).

Sounds like another money-grubbing scam from Washington.

Andy N3LCW



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:13 1996
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> Yep, all the police cars in my town run 100 watts at 39 MHz.
> Should be interesting as said...

> Bill Sohl  K2UNK
> ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ

=========
100 Watts ,incredible; but somewhere in that kit there should be a
'3dB down' switch. I am sure nobody will notice such power reduction.........
the result........half an S-point down .

Frank  Inver by Tain - Scotland UK
e-mail :  [e-mail]
Packet :  GM0CSZ @ GB7NOS.#76.GBR.EU




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:13 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary A. Morris)
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AC6V <[e-mail]> writes:
>> I need to send a message to someone who does not have e-mail, but
>> does have packet. How can I do this? Are there any gateways in the New Engl
and
>> area?

>Take a look at the N0ARY/BBS
>"The N0ARY BBS is a full service amateur radio packet bbs that also
>provides a bidirectional gateway to internet".
>You will find this at URL:
>       http://www.arasmith.com/n0ary

There is also the W2XO gateway in Pennsylvania that is closer to what you
want.  The URL is:

        http://www.w2xo.pgh.pa.us/

And just for the record, there is the K6JCC gateway in San Diego,
see this URL for more info:

        http://www.cts.com/browse/garym/races/gateway.html

--GaryM


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:15 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Boven)
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Subject: Re: Gunneplexors
Date: 9 Aug 1996 12:04:30 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Steve Sampson <ssampson@othel
lo.tinker.af.mil> writes:
> Gary Coffman wrote:
> >
> > In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> > >In <[e-mail]> Tim Connolly <[e-mail]
in.net> writes:
> > >>I am interested in interfacing a pair of gunneplxors to ethernet
> > >>cards, any ideas on how? Thanks - Tim/kb8eht

> > Correct, which is why you don't modulate them by varying the supply
> > voltage. Instead you use a separate modulation diode.

> When you use the term "Gunnplexer" it is in reference to the M/A Comm
> trademark (or whover owns it now).  The difference between a Gunnplexer
> and what N6GN used, is that you use the varactor diode to modulate, not
> the DC.  This turns out to be way more linear.  About all you can do

Of course you don't HAVE to buy a gunnplexer: It's much much more fun to make
one. Together with a friend (PA3FWM) I did so a few years ago. We were trying
to build a super-fast interlink, like everybody else. But instead of ordering
an expensive 'plexer, we ordered some 5$ Gunns and Varactors from a surplus-
supplier, with some brass waveguide. Sawing, grinding, polishing, learning
how to use a lathe, and fighting with teflon-tape.Lots of wasted time, fun and
three prototypes later, we had a working gunn-oscilator, that could even
be modulated by the varactor for a short time. Alas, the varactor and gunn-
diode went the way of most old semiconductors, and died of static electricity
(or whatever else we did wrong to them ;) and the project has become an
excellent dust-gatherer since, because we cannot find the varactors anymore.

So what I would like to know: Is anyone here aware of a design for a 10GHz
transistor oscilator with varactor modulation on stripline? We'd like to
modulate and phase-lock it, so we don't walk all over the X-band.
Schematics and board-lay out would be even more appreciated (Scans?) as it
might be a bit hard to get USA-magazines over here.

Regards, 73 de PEaNUT, Paul.
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    brighter now"    - Torch song, Clutching at straws, Marillion.
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:16 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <[e-mail]> fiz <[e-mail]> writes:

>Does anyone know if there are any docs about the Level 3 protocol on the
>net?

There are different level 3 protocols in use, so you will first have
to specify 'which net'.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:17 1996
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From: burt lang <[e-mail]>
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Jack Taylor wrote:
>
> Here's a topic I can't seem to find much information on.  What's the
> recommended minimum frequency spacing for two nodes located within 100
> feet of each other at two meters?  My old ARRL publications suggest
> a horizontal antenna spacing of 1 mile or more for the 600 KHz repeater
> splits.
>
> However we are facing a situation where another group has installed a
> node on 144.93 running 5 watts and is only 100 feet from our 145.01
> node.  They insist there will be no interference.  Of course with
> packet, it's a often difficult to tell what is happening, or why it's
> happening on a very busy mountain top.
>
> Does anyone on this group have guidance on recommended minimum spacings?
> Is the old ARRL "1 mile or more" rule still valid?
>
> 73 de Jack - N7OO

It very much depends on the frequency separation.  From past
experience two systems running 600 KHz separation on the same site
with separate antennas need a minimum of 1 good quality BpBr filter (40
dB notch)in each system to work reasonably.  At 80 kHz separation,
nothing but a long string of Hi Q notch filters on each system would keep
them isolated. Only notch filters have the sharp notch necessary to
filter out a signal 80 kHz away without too much insertion loss.  And
then only when  lightly coupled with a 10-15 dB notch for each filter.

 Isolation between 2 vhf systems at 600 ft horiz separation is about 60
dB without cans (guess that at 100 ft is probably 30 dB or so).
According to a data sheet from a filter manufacturer, you need way more
than 100 dB isolation at 80 kHz separation (actually the data sheet
topped out at 100 dB required attenuation at 280 kHz separation.
Extrapolation of the graph suggests that 130 dB necessary attenuation
might be appropriate at 80kHz.)  Subtracting the 30 dB isolation due to
horizontal spacing would still leave 100 dB required isolation (+ or -
10dB in IHMO)that would have to be supplied with filters.

Tell the other party that they had better go back to the drawing board
and do their homework. They obviously do not have the vaguest idea of
co-site radio requirements.  They are dreaming in Technicolor if they
think they will not cause interference to your system.

Burt>>>



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From: [e-mail] (Nick Maddix )
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The handbook article is also incorrect in many ways. N6GN's web page
for the project has some of the corrections needed.
http://www.tapr.org/~n6gn/uwavelink/uwv.html

I have also noticed a few that are not on the page. As soon as I get them
together I post them so the page can be changed. The ones I remeber are that
the base of the LO JFET is not grounded on the board, and the LM386 amp is
connected correctly on the board but not the schematic. I know there is one
or two other missing connections, but I don't know them off the top of my
head (oddly enough :)

73,
Nick Maddix N1IHA



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:19 1996
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Subject: pactor terminal prg for psion 3a ??
Date: 9 Aug 1996 16:01:00 GMT
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de w4/dl6fct
i am looking for a "pactor-customized" terminal program
(like the dos "mt") for a psion 3a pocket computer.
tnx & 73,
markus


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John D. Erskine)
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[e-mail] wrote:
: [e-mail] (David) wrote:



: >Hi!  I'm just getting into Packet, and
: >have a PK88 modem

: >Does any one have the manual for it that I could
: >get a copy of?

: >Any replies appreciated


: >Dave WB7AWK
: >[e-mail]


: The best thing to do is throw the pk88 away or sell it and get a TNC
: with a Carrier Detect. You will find the pk88 performs very poorly and
: will soon get discouraged. Get a Kantronics or even an MFJ. You will
: be much happier.


: Cheers,

: Ron


: Ron Curry
: KE6WED
: [e-mail]
: [e-mail]
: [e-mail]

I would agree with Ron that in an area that doesn't use a two frequency
digital repeater it is certainly better to have a tnc that uses a Data
Carrier Detect, this can be added to most TNC-2 clones. I've added them
to older MFJ1270s, which is quite easy, and to a PacComm Micropower2,
similar to a Tiny2. This was a bit trickier however it works very well.
The kit to add this used to be avaiable from TAPR for a pretty good
price. I'm sorry I don't have contact info handy. One might also be able
to pickup a newer version of the TNC's operating firmware. If I can be of
more help please post or better yet e-mail or packet me. 73 John VE6OTC

[e-mail]            Chairman Digital Section - CARA
[e-mail]         Calgary Amateur Radio Association
VE6OTC@VE6YYC.#SAB.AB.CAN.NOAM



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Thanks to a reader tip, I was informed that AEA is right in my backyard,
and I looked them up and ordered the book ($20 plus $5.50 shipping - a
bit steep, in my opinion.  But gotta have it!).


Thanks to all who replied!


Dave WB7AWK
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:22 1996
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Pocket TNC?
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Ian B Johnston wrote:
>
> I am a relatively new amateur, and I'd like to get into packet radio.
> As it is, I have a radio and a computer (well, ok, i'm a programmer by
> trade, so I have a few computers), but I lack the TNC.
>   One of my computers is an HP 200LX, which is a palmtop computer.  I
> regularly carry this computer around, and also regularly have my HT with
> me.  I was thinking that an ideal first TNC might be a pocket-sized,
> battery-powered unit that can interface my palmtop with my radio.  (The
> HP 200LX is a DOS-based 80C186, for your reference.)
>   I read an article on this a few years ago in QST, but have long since
> lost the magazine.  I know that the author of that article used an
> 'off-the-shelf' TNC, and now that I'm considering it, I'd really like to
> know what it was.
>   Does anyone know of a commercial TNC which is battery powered, and is
> fairly small?


I am aware of a few.  TASCO in Japan makes at least one model, but they
are not readily available in the U.S.  PacComm has two small
battery-operatied models, the PicoPacket and the HandiPacket.  You can
contact them at [e-mail] or [phone].

Bob

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From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:23 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ian B Johnston)
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Subject: Pocket TNC?
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I am a relatively new amateur, and I'd like to get into packet radio.
As it is, I have a radio and a computer (well, ok, i'm a programmer by
trade, so I have a few computers), but I lack the TNC.
  One of my computers is an HP 200LX, which is a palmtop computer.  I
regularly carry this computer around, and also regularly have my HT with
me.  I was thinking that an ideal first TNC might be a pocket-sized,
battery-powered unit that can interface my palmtop with my radio.  (The
HP 200LX is a DOS-based 80C186, for your reference.)
  I read an article on this a few years ago in QST, but have long since
lost the magazine.  I know that the author of that article used an
'off-the-shelf' TNC, and now that I'm considering it, I'd really like to
know what it was.
  Does anyone know of a commercial TNC which is battery powered, and is
fairly small?

  I have heard of BayCom packet software, but I have a small problem
with that package: I've found three circuit diagrams, and have no clue
which one is 'correct,' or if they're all right.
  The first schematic I looked at was the one called TCM3105.PS, and
looks like it was composed by DL8MBT/DG8RBU.  This appears to be the
simpler circuit.
  The second schematic (which I can't find at the moment) is vastly
different, and appears considerably more complex.  This was presented as
a .gif file at an FTP site which carried the BayCom software.  (Not
baycom.de, however.)
  The third diagram is one which I got off the BayCom site, and which I
would normally consider 'right' except for the other two pictures.  This
is called 'anst.ps' and is a superset of TCM3105.PS (it contains some
additions).
  If I can figure out which schematic is correct, I am happy enough to
build something myself (I've had experience building circuits before).
Basically, I need some help on which circuit will do the expected job.

  Anyone who can help me in my quest is encouraged to send me mail or
leave a message on the newsgroup.  I imagine I'm not alone in this
quest, so perhaps posting to the newsgroup is better.
  Thanks for any help you can provide.

--
          Opinions expressed are my own, not those of Tektronix.
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Ian Johnston                                            Tektronix, Inc.
Administrative Programmer                               Wilsonville, OR
[e-mail]                                    [phone]


From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:25 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Affonso Beato)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Pocket TNC?
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 16:02:11 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ian B Johnston) wrote:

>I am a relatively new amateur, and I'd like to get into packet radio.
>As it is, I have a radio and a computer (well, ok, i'm a programmer by
>trade, so I have a few computers), but I lack the TNC.
>  One of my computers is an HP 200LX, which is a palmtop computer.  I
>regularly carry this computer around, and also regularly have my HT with
>me.  I was thinking that an ideal first TNC might be a pocket-sized,
>battery-powered unit that can interface my palmtop with my radio.  (The
>HP 200LX is a DOS-based 80C186, for your reference.)
>  I read an article on this a few years ago in QST, but have long since
>lost the magazine.  I know that the author of that article used an
>'off-the-shelf' TNC, and now that I'm considering it, I'd really like to
>know what it was.
>  Does anyone know of a commercial TNC which is battery powered, and is
>fairly small?

>  I have heard of BayCom packet software, but I have a small problem
>with that package: I've found three circuit diagrams, and have no clue
>which one is 'correct,' or if they're all right.
>  The first schematic I looked at was the one called TCM3105.PS, and
>looks like it was composed by DL8MBT/DG8RBU.  This appears to be the
>simpler circuit.
>  The second schematic (which I can't find at the moment) is vastly
>different, and appears considerably more complex.  This was presented as
>a .gif file at an FTP site which carried the BayCom software.  (Not
>baycom.de, however.)
>  The third diagram is one which I got off the BayCom site, and which I
>would normally consider 'right' except for the other two pictures.  This
>is called 'anst.ps' and is a superset of TCM3105.PS (it contains some
>additions).
>  If I can figure out which schematic is correct, I am happy enough to
>build something myself (I've had experience building circuits before).
>Basically, I need some help on which circuit will do the expected job.

>  Anyone who can help me in my quest is encouraged to send me mail or
>leave a message on the newsgroup.  I imagine I'm not alone in this
>quest, so perhaps posting to the newsgroup is better.
>  Thanks for any help you can provide.

>--
>         Opinions expressed are my own, not those of Tektronix.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ian Johnston                                           Tektronix, Inc.
>Administrative Programmer                              Wilsonville, OR
>[e-mail]                                   [phone]

Check in www.tigertronics.com for their BAYPAC BP2. It doesn't need
any external power and you can use it with your HP200LX.
I am doing the same.

Affonso PU1TAB




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:26 1996
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From: CIN Guest User <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Remote Internet Connection
Date: 8 Aug 1996 23:47:49 GMT
Organization: Community Information Network
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    I am looking for a system that uses a radio link to enable
remote internet useage.  An existing system using a mobile
phone is around, This system has a modem that plugs into your
laptop and the modem then plugs into the mobile phone instead
of your telephone line.  But at a dollar or so a minute it is a
bit expensive  for net surfing.
    With the cheaper radio link option I am researching I would
 have the radio link inbetween the car with the laptop and my
house with the phone line.  The phone line would be connection
to the internet, and the radio transmission link enable
computer mobility at an affordable rate.
   I,ve heard of packet radio and am not sure whether this
could be adopted.  14,000 baud would be a minimum transmission
rate (I need enough speed for the pictures etc. of webpages).
Also I was wondering what frequency I should use for a good
range (city suburban area) and high transmission rate (
perphaps up to 64kbs.



Could responses be to made to my email address and as usual the
newsgroup.
Thanks

Hans Hochwald
[e-mail]







From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:27 1996
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From: [e-mail]  (Bill Newkirk)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: RF expouse limits
Date: 7 Aug 1996 03:05:55 GMT
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In <4u7sq9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>It comes in two flavors, an acrobatic clown version and perfectly worded
>verison which you will likely have to convert from Word Perfect 5.1 to
>read.

the acrobat version came in around 300-400 k, i think. reads up just fine on
os/2, windows, and windows 95 machines around the home and shop...and the
acrobat version was probably created from the WP version anyway. however,
i'll have to look at it again..i didn't notice any links/hot spots in the file
...

they could have done it in Envoy 7 or worse, Worldview (where you pay to get
a viewer...).

>When in the Lord's name not taken in vain, will anyone EVER listen to
>the idea to post standards in standard text format as in plain ASCI text
>with NO art work, just words.

sometimes, you don't have room for the thousand words when a single picture
will do.  Collins experimented with something called the Equipment Compiler
System years ago -- no drawings, no artwork, no officially released schematics
.
page after page of stuff like A2R685 x1=1.600 y1=1.500 x2=1.600 y2=2.000.
It's apparently a very good way to run a factory, but it's very hard to be abl
e
to take a given product and work backwards to figure out what you're looking
at. makes life trying to make instruction books difficult. today, i can rip st
uff
out of the engineering drawings for use in my books blowing off all those erro
rs
caused by transcription problems with the "old way".  lot easier to find R685
too.

>Mike @ W5WQN


Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.



From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:31 1996
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital,rec.radio.amateur.misc,rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.policy
Subject: Re: RF expouse limits
Date: 6 Aug 1996 16:44:57 GMT
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In <[e-mail]>, Phil Sussman <[e-mail]> writes:
>As you might be aware, the FCC has set Jan -1, 1997 as
>a compliance date for all US ham radio operations to comply
>with NTIS Bulletin 65 with respect to RF exposure limits.
>This would SEVERELY affect operators of FSK and PSK
>because they are considered 'continious transmissions'
>
>There is an FCC imposed exemption for any transmitter
>UNDER 50 watts. Over 50 watts, a ham must insure that
>he complies with NTIS-65.
>
>I am looking for a copy, preferably on-line, of NTIS
>Bulletin 65.
>
>Can anyone help on this?
>
>73 de Phil - KB8LUJ
>
>regarding RF exposure limits.

You can get it at www.fcc.gov where it is in the technical bureau section.
It took me a while to find it, but there is a "NEW" notice flaggin it right
at the top of the department's page.

It comes in two flavors, an acrobatic clown version and perfectly worded
verison which you will likely have to convert from Word Perfect 5.1 to
read.

I think the WP 5.1 version came in at above 1 Megabyte in size!

When in the Lord's name not taken in vain, will anyone EVER listen to
the idea to post standards in standard text format as in plain ASCI text
with NO art work, just words.


  "Words, words, they kill us with words...   and the first thing we
    shall do is....."

:)

Mike @ W5WQN




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:35 1996
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From: Frank Dinger <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: The Future Of The Packet BBS - OUT 3
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 00:36:25 +0100
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> [Interesting info about the future of PBBS's snipped]

> I agree with a lot of what you posted, but I do have one question.  Why
> limit the long-haul to HF?  I have sent a number of messages through our
> local SATGATE and the messages propogated quickly and far.  Sure, they
> aren't Internet speeds, but it worked, and it worked well.
> snip -------
> James W. Barr, N9ONL              |    e-mail: [e-mail]
> Buffalo Grove, IL, USA            |  Web site: http://www.mcs.net/~jbarr
>

======== comments GM0CSZ / KN6WH
For personal mail (not bulletins) Packet traffic via satgates--->
satellites is really fast .My personal experience is traffic between
Britain and New Zealand ,with a reply being received within 30 hours.
Packet traffic via satellite within Europe is nowadays quite common,
even between Britain and for example the Netherlands(via a satgate in Belgium)
For personal mail HF packet is not required except to/from a few
African countries. Also traffic to/from the Falkland Islands ,to my
knowledge, can only be handled via HF.
Zimbabwe however can be reached via a satgate in South Africa
Intercontinental Bulletin traffic however are usually handled via HF
packet or via non-radio routes.

Frank Dinger , Inver by Tain , Ross-shire - Scotland UK
e-mail :  [e-mail]
Packet :  GM0CSZ @ GB7NOS.#76.GBR.EU




From [e-mail] Sun Aug 11 05:47:36 1996
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From: <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: What is it??
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 96 07:27:41 CST
Organization: University of Minnesota
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I was listening to 30 meters last night and there was a very strong signal
on 10.130mhz.  It has about a 900hz shift and sounds like a 50-100 baud
rate.  Does anyone know who/what this is???

Tnx
de George
WD0AKZ



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:17 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Lewis P. Stephens Jr.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: - NET FREQUENCYS (0/1) Re: HF nets?
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:19:17 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, "William J. Fitzgerald"
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>Does anyone know where I might find a list of times & frequencies
>of HF nets?

Here is a list that I got off of the B-VARC Home page. It has a few HF
Nets to start you off on.
The ARRL also sells a small book that lists all known nets in the US. Less
than $100 I believe. I have one here somewhere. It has so much in it it,
that it's not very convienent.

73

Lewis

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Amber, Inc.                           CLARC (Clear Lake Amateur Radio Club)
[e-mail]                     NAMU (NASA Area Macintosh Users)
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:18 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Don Murray)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 9600 baud on 2 meters??
Date: 16 Aug 1996 06:51:24 GMT
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Thanks to all the replied here and via mail, I stand corrected, and again
thanks..

Don


In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Don Murray wrote:
>>
>> Hello and thanks for reading this..
>>
>> I am too lazy right now to look this up myself, so I thought I would post
it
>> here and have someone that knows more about these things than I do to
respond.
>>
>> Is it legal to operate 9600 baud paket on 2 meters.. I may be mistaken but
>> thought that it was illegal due to the excessive bandwith required for
9600
>> baud..  Please correct me if I am wrong..
>>
>
>9600 baud is permitted on 6 meters and up.  The deviation is normally se
>for ~3 kHz, which doesn't result in excessive bandwidth.
>
>Bob
>
>----
>Bob Nielsen                 Internet: [e-mail]
>Tucson, AZ                  AMPRnet:  [e-mail]
>                            AX.25:    [e-mail]
>                            http://www.primenet.com/~nielsen



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:19 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark O. Stitson)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Albrecht 402 / Hora C-455 / Standard C450
Date: 15 Aug 1996 19:04:12 GMT
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Hello,

I've just bought a 70cm Handheld transceiver to use with my PR kit.
It is sold as a Albrecht 402, but the packaging says it is a Hora C-455 and
some of the documentation refers to it as a Standard C450.

It comes
with nice instructions how to convert it to 9600 Baud, but no hints on how
to use it with 1200 Baud. It has a 3.5mm mono jack presumably for the speaker
connection and a 2.5mm stereo jack for the mic and ptt.
Does anybody know how the mic an ptt are connected up on this for a TNC or
a mic.

Please mail me your reply as well as posting it, because my news server
is somewhat erratic at the moment.

Mark
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marv Shelton)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Any DSP-232 experience
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:13:43 GMT
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I would appreciate any experience or information anyone has on the AEA
DSP-232 TNC.  I'm considering buying one.



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:20 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stefano Stradini)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: baycom 9600 scheme search
Date: 13 Aug 1996 21:58:48 GMT
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Hello all!

I search baycom 9600 scheme.

Can you help me to found it ?

Or if you have it, can you post to me ?

Thanks in advance !

73, de Stefano.



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Miroslav Skoric, B.Sc.)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: C_FILTER
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Hello folks...

I wonder if there is an utility for FBB software that works like C_FILTER
and that can be configured to ban user access more times and more minutes
than sysop decided. Something like time-out at telephone-style bbs's where
you may login 1-2 times a day 45-90 minutes each. I know FBB has a counter
of minutes (command: !) and it may be used for this purpose. It also may
be reset to zero at the house-keeping process, like FBBDOS download counter.

If somebody has an idea where to find such utility, let me know...

73 de Misko [e-mail] -or- [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (John Boyer)
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Subject: Re: Can you help us find Gracilis ?
Date: 13 Aug 1996 07:34:47 GMT
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Gareth Rowlands ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In message <4ungab$[e-mail]> John Boyer, Doyen of
: the "Kingswood Arms" did write after a five-pint-lunch in the said
: establishment:
:
: > --
:
: That's a good one John !  But I notice in your "sig" you said:
:
: > Get a life Rowlands and go down to the pub.
:
: Roger, Wilco !
:
: G.
:

Hic!!



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:23 1996
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From: Will Flor <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Communications Quarterly, was Re: Gunneplexors
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:01:30 -0500
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Steve Sampson wrote:
>
> Then apply the Communications
> Quarterly knowlege.  CQ (no not that CQ) was what became of Ham Radio
> magazine.  Don't know if it's still published.

Yes, it's still around, and it's still well worth the
effort needed to track it down.  I buy it on the newsstand
at Amateur Electronic Supply here in Milwaukee.

73 de KB9JTT


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:24 1996
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From: AC6V <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FCC Antenna Doc on WWW
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Rich Carlson wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the text of this ruling?  I am trying to get my townhouse
> association to allow a DBS dish and a discone for scanning on my roof, and
> this may help push me over the edge as it were...
>
> --
> Rich Carlson, N9JIG ([e-mail])

Hi Rich, all 30 pages of the FCC text are to be found at URL:

http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/fcc96328.txt

Part of the FCC page at URL:
http://www.fcc.gov/

Lets all hope they extend this ruling to the Amateur Radio Service.

Good Luck with the HOA -- mine is hopeless.

73
Rod

--
Hark for I have hurled my words to the far reaches of the earth!
What King of old could do thus??
..... AC6V


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:26 1996
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From: duane <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Prohibits Unreasonable Restrictions on TV Antennas
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 22:33:08 -0400
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Bill Newkirk wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>, "James F. Boehner, MD" <[e-mail]> writ
es:
> >Bill Sohl wrote:
> >> [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell) wrote:
> >> >In a major ruling, the FCC declared void local laws prohibiting
> ..
> >> >must be allowed to install TV antennas. Longer term this ruling may
> >> >have important ramifications for eliminating restrictions on Amateur
> >> >Radio antennas.
> >>
> >> Wow, do I have a couple of ideas for some QST articles
> >> that begin  with a title:  How to build a (enter your
> >> favorite band here) meter antenna that looks like a TV
> >> antenna :-)
>
> actually, wouldn't a TV antenna work for 6 and 220 without too much effort?
> and 2m might just work on an LP type antenna...will have to see if it's poss
ible
> to do some measurements....wouldn't expect there to be too much modification
> needed for the use of an existing TV antenna as a transmitting antenna in
> the amateur service -- short of adding a balun (6:1 for 300:50 transformatio
n) and
> maybe doing some minor changes to the element lengths.
>
> >>
> >> Bill Sohl  K2UNK
> >> ARRL Local Gov't Liaison, Mt. Olive Township, NJ
> >
> >How about a sky of aluminum with a $40 Radio Shack Antenna on top?
> >YES!!!!!
> >73 de JIM N2ZZ
>
> i wouldn't push it too much as first until things become established for joe
 sixpack
> to have antennas up again.
>
> Bill Newkirk WB9IVR                  The Space Coast Amateur Technical Group
> Melbourne, FL                       duty now for the future of amateur radio
> Lombardi's 1st Law of Business:
> Companies succeed in spite of their best effort.  If they succeed at all.
let me ask you something bill if i work ssTV on the hf freqs does that
make it a tv antenna ? After all Iam receiving T.V.!


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:27 1996
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From: Jake Brodsky <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 11:56:41 -0700
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I'm just curious Gary, did you use a speaker mike all the time?  And
did you transmit with the radio on your belt?
--
Jake Brodsky, mailto:[e-mail]
PP-ASEL-IA, Cessna Cardinal N30946, Based @ MD24
Amateur Radio Station AB3A
"Beware of the massive impossible!"


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:28 1996
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From: "Bill Turner, WB4ALM" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
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Gary Sanders wrote:
>

> Cancer isn't any fun.
>
> Sure, I know I'll get flamed, because I don't _know_ that the cancer
> was caused by the HT's, but then again, I don't _know_ that thay
> _didn't_ cause it.

Hopefully it WASN'T caused by the HT's...
...but even much more important, hopefully you recover. FULLY!
   (and quickly.)

73's Bill Turner, WB4ALM


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From: [e-mail] (Curt Phillips)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
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[e-mail] (Gary Fiber) wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>>>The FCC has issued new rules regarding the evaluation of RF Emissions and
>>>>health effects from all transmitters. As always, the devil is in the detai
ls
[snip]
>>Oh knowledge of the affair isn't really required!  Product liability, for ex
ample
>>transcends all reasonable sane limits for time elapsed on that, with or with
out
>>knowledge.
[snip]
>It might be the manufacturers will have to apply a warning label on equipment
>to remind the installer / user of the possiable electromagnetic radiation
>problems of improperly installed equipment.
[snip]
>I would guess this might also be a good case for antenna heighth.  The higher
>the radiating element the less signal affects the  immediate surrounding area

  YEAH!!!!!  That's the ticket.  Not only can they NOT restrict you
from having a tower, you MUST have at least, say, a 100 foot tower.

  If you can't afford one, the government must assist you in getting
one... today FOOD STAMPS, tomorrow TOWER STAMPS!!  :-)

========== Opinions expressed are solely those of the author =========
Curt Phillips, CEM KD4YU (ex-WB4LHI)  |   Hey, cut me some slack!
 Engineer/Writer/Adventurer/Raconteur |   This is just the
Chairman, Tar Heel Scanner/SWL Group  |      BETA-TEST
ARRL Life; QCWA; Raleigh ARS; NRA; AEE|   version of me.
== [e-mail] ==== [Copyright 1996 All rights reserved]==




From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:30 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Dalevanbat)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
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But if asked about it they can't remember.


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:31 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fiber)
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[e-mail] (Michael L. Ardai) wrote:

>In article <4uacqb$[e-mail]> Ed Hare <[e-mail]> writes:
>-The VAST majority of amateur stations are already in compliance with
>-these rules.

>Does it include those (MANY) of us who *CANT* put up a tower; who operate
>with apartment balcony antennas or wires attached to houses?  I can just
>see all the city boards gleefully getting rid of ham radio with the
>"We won't allow a tall tower, and the FCC won't allow power with a low
>antenna" opinions.  I guess it is time to dust off the HW-8.

>We are trying to promote ham radio other than 2M thru repeaters, and now
>we get socked with this.  Or will it be like all those 300 watt Italian
>stations...

>/mike
>(Does the negative gain from my windowsill-mounted hamstick reduce my
>100W to a safe level :-)

>--
>\|/     Michael L. Ardai        N1IST       [e-mail]     \|/
>-*- === Boston Amateur Radio Club:  http://www.barc.org/barc === -*-
>/|\       or send "info barc-list" to [e-mail]        /|\

In this thread there has been mentioned of the FCC study on this issue.  A
number of months ago I downloaded this " article "  for work it prints out to
be over 70 pages. We have nbeen looking at this issue for  a while now
casually.  It was worth the time to download , lots of information  was
surprized to see how many typre of antennas the FCC used for testing and the
tables and charts with test results included..
Download and print it today.  Take a few nights to read and digest it.

Gary



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:32 1996
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From: "Mary Ellen Powers" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FS: Kantronics DataEngine and complete 96/1200 baud packet setup
Date: 13 Aug 1996 02:24:41 GMT
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All,

I have the following for sale.  All is complete and working.

1) Kantronics DataEngine
2) Tekk KS-900 UHF data radio on 441.000
3) Tekk KS-960 UHF data radio on 441.000
4) Alinco 1200T 1200 baud data radio (synth'd)
5) Pacomm TNC-2 (can't remember model number w/DCD)

All cables, power supplies, etc.  Tuned, tweeked (for deviation) and ready
to go!

Looking to sell as a complete set and I would like to get around 700.00 for
the set.  Please email any offers to [e-mail]

Thanks,
Alan Adamson
[e-mail]



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:33 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Fraser)
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Subject: Gunnplexers - CQ?
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It's Communications Quarterly.  CQ has been the non-techie ARRL
news-stand start-a-new-hobby-today magazine for decades.

Comm's quarterly [annual cost is same as HR used to be] is the techie
one that continues in the same quality [my opinion] path.  Also on
newsstands, but that's no disgrace.....  IMHO.

/mark



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:38 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
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Subject: Ham Radio Online web site is still "on the air"
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The Ham Radio Online web is still "on the air." However, our new web server
located in California's Silicon Valley lost power during the massive west coas
t
power outage this weekend and as of Sunday morning (U.S.) 11 August the http
web server is still not functioning. Our ftp access to the web site came back
up this morning so we've updated the files. We assume the web server will be
brought back online by Monday.

You can access the Ham Radio Online web site at:
     http://206.13.40.11/
(www.hamradio-online.com when InterNIC gets their directory updated.) You can
also check for updates at our backup web address:
     http://www.accessone.com/~vbook/hronline.htm

We've completely redesigned the "List of Other Ham Radio web sites",
"Commercial Products Directory" and the Ham Radio Online Library for easier
access to all the information that is stored online. It really looks cool and
we had a lot of fun learning how to use "frames" for the web pages.

Thanks!
Ed, KF7VY
------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.hamradio-online.com



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:39 1996
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In response to N6GN's question about receiver board schematic errors:

Oh, I found more than those 3 errors...  I emailed you (N6GN) a list of
the ones I found, but your machine, sr.hp.com, seems to be down as far
as I can tell (ping, traceroute, etc..)

Oh, and while I'm here, can anyone tell me how I can get 75 and 100 nH
inductors for this project?  Do I have to wind them, or can I buy them?
I looked through Digi-Key's August catalog, but the only 75's I could
find are surface mount....

Thanks.

- John (N3IFG)


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:40 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn Elmore)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc,rec.radio.amateur.homebrew
Subject: Re: N6GN Microwave Data Link
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Date: 8 Aug 1996 15:43:42 GMT
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John Clark ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In response to N6GN's question about receiver board schematic errors:

: Oh, I found more than those 3 errors...  I emailed you (N6GN) a list of
: the ones I found, but your machine, sr.hp.com, seems to be down as far
: as I can tell (ping, traceroute, etc..)

I *did* just get the mail.  My machine is behind a firewall which is the
reason you don't find end-end IP connectivity with it.  Your list
seems to be of differences between the layout/assembly information
on the web pages and the schematic(s) published by the ARRL.  It appears
that the differences are all "errors" of the layout rather than the
schematic.

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> Well, here are some I've noticed by comparing the schematic with the
> printed board layout and part placement diagram I downloaded from your
> web site:
>       1) Q3 and Q4 are switched
>       2) The 20K resistor between the base and emitter of Q3
>          (formerly Q4) is a 147 on the part placement diagram
>       3) The pins on U5 are switched between U5A and U5B
>       4) Connector P1 is wired very, very differently, esp. pins 6,7,8
>       5) The MAR-6 is labelled U7 and it should be U9
>       6) Connector P2 is wired differently (look at pin 4)
>       7) There is a 9 pin D-SUB connector on the layout that
>          presumably for the microwave board but isn't on the
>          schematic
>
> There might be more; I haven't checked everything yet...
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These all seem to be issues specific with that particular (older) ARRL
layout.

(1) both devices are the same 2n2222 so it doesn't matter anyway
(2) schematic is correct
(3) dual opamps in the same package. Doesn't matter.
(4) I think this was changed at the ARRL when they (re)laid the board.
    the schematic  in my 1991 Handbook shows things OK, as far as I
    can tell.
(5) It's labeled U8 on the schematic I have.
(6) It appears to be shown correctly in the Handbook schematic.
(7) The ARRL layour used a different connector type but on the one
    set of their boards I loaded, both the rx and uwave ends are working
    with a ribbon (soldered, not connectored) between them) I think this
    was done because they didn't have the connectors I used available.


Perhaps someone who has assembled a transceiver using the FAR Circuit
board set can comment.  I have never even seen any board sets except
the early ones from the ARRL.  The original four transceivers I built
were all hand wired.  I did load and test the ARRL board set though and
it worked, with a couple of corrections.  I believe that the corrected
schematic (corrections as listed on the web page) is suitable for making
all necessary corrections to the Handbook schematic. If this is not the
case, I'd appreciate hearing about it.

  Thanks for taking time to list these, I don't know if anyone else is
presently trying to use the layouts to build their own boards. Perhaps
they can comment on any other corrections to that artwork.
If more are found, please indicate and I'll put them where everyone can
see them.

Has anyone had recent experience with the FAR boards or other layouts?

Glenn Elmore n6gn

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:41 1996
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From: Frank Dinger <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Need TNC Program for WIN95
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:22:45 +0100
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> Anyone out there know of a good program I can use with my Kantronics KAM
> and Windows 95.
snip---
> Joe
> N8GYA
 ========== comments GM0CSZ / KN6WH
Joe , Try Winpack Ver 5.53 , it is freeware and works like a dream
,also with Kantronics TNCs (KPC-2 confirmed) provided the startup
script matches the KAM (set) parameters.
Success !
Frank     Inver by Tain , Ross-shire - Scotland UK
e-mail :  [e-mail]
Packet :  GM0CSZ @ GB7NOS.#76.GBR.EU





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From: "James Van Houten" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: New Ham Radio Discussion Area on the Web!
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Hello All,

Will keep it short and to the point.  There is a new resource for Ham radio
topics.  It is on the web.  Come on over and visit
http://www.coronetsec.com/hamradio.  All hamradio topics welcome.  Hope to
see you there soon.

Jim
KA3TTU

ps.  Don't forget to tell all of your non-newsgroup readin' friends!!  :-)
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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:47 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Les Dittert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Novice tcp/ip outlook
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:45:57 -0800
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I am looking into expanding my internet activities into my other hobby,
ham radio. In particular , seting up a high speed tcp/ip connection with
another ham , or maybe a server. With the reading I have done so far on the
subject , I am learning that the design evolution of the radio tcp/ip seems
to have evolved in a different way than 'straight computer' connections.

On my Mac , the modem or isdn connection is done with a PPP driver. This
serves as the link to the modem and it's serial line. The PPP driver does
nothing else, besides setting the phone number and a few setup values.
Then , *any* ftp client , e-mail program , ftp server , web-browser can
use the link.

It seems that on the packet radio side , the e-mail/ftp stuff is tightly
integrated into the , for lack of better words, "driver" that is talking
to the radio/modem.

Is this the case ? Or was I mis-reading the facts ? I hope so.

I just want to use the highly developed , standard TCP software out there
and let the "driver" do only the low level PPP type functions to keep the
tcp/ip link happy. I couldn't care less about BBS features. Thats what I
use the internet for !. If I want to QSO with someone , I should be able to
use the same telnet software I use now , not some non-standard one.
Some people may say " use a cell phone on a laptop if that's all you want
to do " , but I can't afford that. Might as well use the ham bands that I
still have rights too. They are worth $billions , and are under used.

I think the future of packet must be in this direction , and would like to
hear from users who can give me info on this direction.

-Les

Les Dittert



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:48 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Les Dittert)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Novice tcp/ip outlook
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:59:16 -0800
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> Don't waste your time or money on Part 97 ham gear.
> Unless you like dealing with frustration(JNOS), ignorance(PBBS networks,
> plug/play mentality), and slow speeds(1200 bps!);
> go with Part 15 devices on 900Mhz(and up) that function as wireless
> LAN cards.  You won't be limited to what you can transmit(business,
> vulgarity, etc), speed is 1Mbps and higher, and you can run working
> commercial TCP/IP software.

That all sounds good , but what kind if range can I expect ? I am looking
for something truely mobile , not just between 2 close offices.

Can this type of equipment cover reasonable distances , without setting up
15 element beams on my back bumper ?
Where can I find the vendors of the hardware ? Web pages ?

Also , Can the cost be < $1000 per station ? Is the software cheap ?

Thanks for the response....
Les

Les Dittert



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From: Jan Galicia <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: SSTV DX BULLETIN
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:27:00 +0000
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Hi All,

Just to let you know that a monthly updated Picture DX Bulletin has been
prepared by ON4VT, it can be found at :
http://www.club.innet.be/~pub02749/sstv01.htm

Greetings, Jan ON6JG



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James W. Barr)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Packet for Win95 ?
Date: 15 Aug 1996 16:11:39 GMT
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From the responses you got, I am a bit disappointed.  I think for many of
us who have working Windows 95 machines, it ould be REALLY nice if there
were some native Windows 95 TCP/IP/AX.25 driver.  I think what the
original poster was looking for was a way to use existing Windows 95
programs (such as e-mail, Netscape/MSIE, FTP, ping, etc.) except throug a
TNC.  We have dial-up services, LAN card services, why not a serial port
TNV service?

Microsoft could spread a LOT of good will if they would write a simple,
solid ax.25/TXP/IP driver.

(I know that TCP/IP really needs higher speeds than 1200 baud to be
effective, but it would be a start!)

MikeHeit ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Anyone know of software that will do amateur radio tcp/ip under
: Windows 95?


: Mike Heitmann, KF0SO


: ----------------------------------------
: Mike Heitmann
: [e-mail]
: [e-mail]

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From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Long)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Tono Communications Terminal - HELP !!!
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 09:25:44 -0400
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In article <01bb887f$e1dcf900$3b2b18ce@heledirk>, "Helen and Dirk Sykes"
<[e-mail]> wrote:


>
> I am looking for anyone who has information about a model 777 TNC.  I was
> given one without any terminal program or manual.  Any help would be
> appreciated,  Thanks in advance for any information that can be provided.
>

Contact R. Lewis, Box 522, Garrisonville, VA 22463. He sells a PC program
for the Tono 777. $25. If you are unsuccessful in contacting him wite me
and I will provide further help.

The 777 is considered to be one of the finer TU's with good filters. It is
hard to use without the program, however because every action requires
complex keyboard commands. It supports cw, amtor, and rtty but not the
newer modes.

If anyone else sees this and is looking to buy a 777 with the program
please contact me as I have one.

73, ron w8gus.


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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Wanna to win A CD player ?
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 20:30:47 GMT
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Wanna to win A CD player ?
If you are interesting in a Philippines Radio Show, try :
http://www.corjam.com/



From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James C. Brost)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Where can i find mac packet software?
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:27:34 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>, gerald mongin <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I have just buy a macintosh
> and i want to work with my KPC 3 (packet TNC)
> where can I find a software for mac ?
>
> Thanks Lionel MOngin
> FA1JRD

Try;

ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu//hamradio/packet/tcpip/mac/

                 -or-

ftp://ftp.tapr.org//tapr/SIG/aprssig/files/macstuff/

                 -or-

ftp://oak.oakland.edu//pub/hamradio/mac/

                 -or-

ftp://ftp.funet.fi//pub/ham/mac/demon/

Hope this helps.  ;-)

73's de KB2WDI


From [e-mail] Fri Aug 16 15:32:53 1996
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 18:09:14 -0700
From: "Mark L. Bary" <[e-mail]>
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Laurence M. Rappaport wrote:
>
> Can someone point me to a site for X1J Rev 4 (or whatever's the
> latest)?  Thanks,
>
> Larry W1HJF

Larry,

Take a look at http://www.webcom.com/sedan/  ; that may have what you
want.

If not, a note to Buck Rogers K4ABT should get you what you need.
His Internet address is: [e-mail]

He was providing a 3.5" disk with the latest Nodeware on it if you sent
him an SASE of decent size and postage applied.  He may still be.

73
Mark
N4EOC
Germantown, MD


From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:34 1996
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From: Juergen Zick <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 128kbps link -- information needed
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 08:59:58 -0700
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To: "Daniel M. Drucker" <[e-mail]>

Daniel M. Drucker wrote:
>
> I'm looking to set up a 128kbps "data pipe" over a five mile distance.
> (Essentially, an ethernet extension cord.) Is there a way to do this
> _without_ building it from the ground up? Unfortunately, I'm not all
> that talented at low-level electronics...
> Where can I find information on this type of thing?Hi Daniel,

there are at least three products on the market which would fit your
needs, if they are approved by FCC-rules ...
There are Ethernet-Radio-Bridges, which links standard thin-wired
ethernet trunks together via a 2,3GHz-connection (frequency hopping,
2MBit/s bandwidth).
Here in Europe those radio lans have a general approval by all european
telecommunications offices (CE-approval), you could use them without any
further notice or paying any fees ...
I'm not sure, but I think that those devices should be useable in the USA
also. The power is 100mW EIRP, which is ok for about half a mile with a
vertical dipole, up to 5 - 6 miles with a 12dB-antenna ...
A bridge (2 divices) will cost here approx. 5.000 USD with antennas!!!

If your interested in that, I could try to find the manufactures info ...


Juergen K. Zick, DF5ZX
University of Kassel, Germany, Europe
Dept. of vocational education for eletrical engineering


From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:36 1996
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From: Bob Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 9600 baud on 2 meters??
Date: 15 Aug 1996 11:57:01 -0700
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Don Murray wrote:
>
> Hello and thanks for reading this..
>
> I am too lazy right now to look this up myself, so I thought I would post it
> here and have someone that knows more about these things than I do to respon
d.
>
> Is it legal to operate 9600 baud paket on 2 meters.. I may be mistaken but
> thought that it was illegal due to the excessive bandwith required for 9600
> baud..  Please correct me if I am wrong..
>

9600 baud is permitted on 6 meters and up.  The deviation is normally se
for ~3 kHz, which doesn't result in excessive bandwidth.

Bob

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From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:36 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: 9600 baud on 2 meters??
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In article <4utvja$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Don M
urray) writes:
>Is it legal to operate 9600 baud paket on 2 meters.. I may be mistaken but
>thought that it was illegal due to the excessive bandwith required for 9600
>baud..  Please correct me if I am wrong..

You're wrong. 97.307(f)(5) permits operation at up to 19.6 kb on 2m.
The bandwidth is limited to 20 kHz, but the K9NG/G3RUH modulation we
use for 9600 baud will fit in 20 kHz. The MSK modulation of the WA4DSY
(aka GRAPES) modem allows 14.4 kb to fit in 20 kHz (and is a switch
selectable option for the modem). So not only can we run 9600 baud on
2m, we could run 14.4 kb if we wanted (but that would be a waste of
the 56 kb modem's capability). To fit the 19.6 kb permitted into
20 kHz would require a new modem design, but given a good SNR, it
should be easily possible.

Gary
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From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:37 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Snyder)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Any Radio Amateurs also interested in PGP??
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:28:49 -0400
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In article <4udf65$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (WA6UBE) wrote:

>Am just curious... are there any other radio amateurs out there
>that also have an interest, and are using PGP public-key crypto??

Obviously, you can only use the signing portion of PGP over the air in the
US....

Bob


From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:38 1996
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From: Nuno Sucena Almeida <slug@this-news-group-please>
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Subject: Baycom modem - need some help please
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Hello...
ATENTION:reply in this newsgroup or to [e-mail]

Two weeks ago i build the famous baycom 1k2 modem but unfortunatly i
can't make it work. It seems to transmit well as i can hear the tones (
like some noise) and seems to receive/demodulate well, but i'm not sure
since i don't have a scope...I think the problem is the discrepancy of
voltages as the computer is a PC with RS232 at 12V and the modem is
working at 5V (getting the voltage from the RS232).
I don't know were I got the schematics, but could someone point me a site
were i can get a working one for PC.
The power voltages are correct ( aprox 4.95V ) when it transmits and when
in stanby (receive) mode and when i put a multimeter ( digital but with
two scales, one that simulates a analog,ie, very fast) at the CTS port
it changes rapidly when the modem receives the audio...
Another thing:The radios that i'm using can't disable the squelsh so its
always silent with no receiving signal.So, does the baycom modems needs the
random noise produced at the FM receiver?

The softwarez that i'm using are:

-linux 2.0.7( since i can make ping -i 5 baycomIP and try to receive without
boring another dude and when if it works  to play MUD's with all my
friends :)
-baycom software ( first try but since i don't understand deutsh :(
-NOS ( second try with AX25.COM driver , several versions ( TNOS, JNOS,
etc ...)
-TPK ( with the drivers for the baycom...)

With all of these software i can transmit but not receive but
with linux i haven't tried to receive since i haven't read the DOCS
on how to do it YET.

tks in advance...

Nuno Sucena
[e-mail]    [e-mail]       [e-mail]
http://www.ci.uc.pt/~slug/      http://www.aeminium.pt/~slug/
CT1FOX CQG9304 CQM9228          Eng.Electrote'cnica FCTUC

PS: i would like to know were to get the datasheets ( PDF please ) of the
TCM3105 , tried www.ti.com but no luck :(







From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:39 1996
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From: Fred Castello <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Cruising on a Sailboat and e-mail
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I am going to be sailing to the Bahamas in January and would like to
be able to have access to the internet (e-mail only) if possible.  I
would
also like to have access to weather fax.  I would prefer to stick with
the
ham frequencies and not pay for a comercial service if possible.  I will
have a laptop and hf rig and would be willing to purchase hardware and
software.  Does this possibility exist and could you point me in the
right
direction for hardware/software recomendations.  I will be limited to 12
volts.  Thanks in advance for your thoughts and help. Please respond via
my e-mail.

Sincerely
Fred Castello KF4DQ
email-> [e-mail]
Waynesboro,VA




From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:40 1996
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From: burt lang <[e-mail]>
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This is to announce the opening of a Web Site devoted to establishing a
Standard Set of Test Methods for testing radios intended for data
service.

http://www.rocler.qc.ca/burt/

The Data Radio Standard Test Methods project was started some 2 years ago
and was presented at the 14th ARRL Digital Communications Conference in
Texas in Sept 95.  At the conference it was received with great interest.
 The proposed test method documents were finished and sent to selected
organizations for review at the beginning of this year.  I have now
completed the transfer to the Web.

Warning:  The documents are quite technical and don't have glitzy
graphics or animation.  Nor is the site just a bunch of links to other
sites.  It is just pure original technical documentation.

I welcome comments and constructive criticism.  Bear in mind as with
any new web document, that there are probably numerous minor bugs in the
html markup that I have not yet detected.

PROJECT SLOGAN:

Let's Put the Radio back in Packet Radio!!!!!


73 Burt>>>



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AC6V <[e-mail]> wrote:


>Hi Rich, all 30 pages of the FCC text are to be found at URL:

>http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/fcc96328.txt

Thanks for the pointer. The regulation looks fairly ironclad to me.
HOA's must allow TV antennas and 1m dishes. I think I will mail a copy
of this to my HOA and get rid of the old cable monopoly I have been
dealing with. At $30.00/mo., a TV antennas with mast and rotor will
pay off very quickly!

>Lets all hope they extend this ruling to the Amateur Radio Service.

The legislation was driven by the type of economics thar we amateurs
cannot muster. Also, with fewer people using cable, there could
actually be more objections to amateur transmissions in these living
quarters built in such close proximity. However, TVI and other
interference concerns cannot be extected to improve when a law is
issued giving free reign to most types of telecommunications. You can
argue for a long time that you use your tribander antenna for TV
reception (perhaps not the best reception) on the same antenna that
you happen to transmit with. That's *if* anyone notices a difference
between a TV antenna and a tribander (say a 10/15/20).
Anyways, it's something to try I guess ;)

>Good Luck with the HOA -- mine is hopeless.

I think after reading the regulation that your >HOA< is out of luck.
You would have to have special circumstances affecting 'safety' (this
would normally apply to tower hieght with respect to the closest
adjacent residence, or possible zoning regulations for wind strength
in some areas) or you would have to be in a historic district.

If your HOA does not believe the new regulation, or cannot undertsand
it, it seems that you do not have to pay any penalties even if they
'fine' you. Like I say, it looks fairly ironclad but then again I am
not a lawyer. I still think anyone having to live with one of these
stupid antenna restrictions would be fairly safe going ahead and
putting up a TV antenna...not much to lose, and a rather clear federal
pre-emption to back you up.

73

KR4AJ



From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:45 1996
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Rich Carlson wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the text of this ruling?  I am trying to get my townhouse
> association to allow a DBS dish and a discone for scanning on my roof, and
> this may help push me over the edge as it were...
>
> --
> Rich Carlson, N9JIG ([e-mail])
>
> ScannerMaster Illinois Communications Guide [phone]
>
> CARMA (Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association) BBS [phone]
> PO Box 2681, Glenview IL 60025    SASE for sample newsletter.

Rich: A copy of the Report and Order In the Matter of Preemption
of Local Zoning Regulation of Satellite Earth Stations
can be downloaded or read at http://www.fcc.gov

Look for it in the headlines section on the first page for the
link.  I'm not sure it will help you if you're in a townhouse and
don't own any roof/outside wall rights.

73, Jim O'Connell, W9WU  ARRL Volunteer Counsel


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Shaffer, Jr.)
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In article <4uvhre$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rob Neff)
writes:
>
> Perhaps the use of an HT helped keep the cancer cells at lower level
> than they would have been without it?

Anything's possible -- ask Beck, Rife, or Lakhovsky.  (OK, Beck -- the rest ar
e
dead.)  But if EM radiation does have non-thermal biological effects, my guess
is that at an arbitrary frequency and power level it would be more likely to
harm than help.

--
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From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:47 1996
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From: Steve Wolf <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:34:39 -0400
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>keep emotion out of this ruling. Self-denial that RF cannot cause illness
>will only hurt yourself, but coming on here and stating that to hundreds

Unfortunately, your emotionally charged arguement is all you have to
prove your point that regulation is needed to the level it has been
applied.

It would be much better if we could ignore the people who wanted
to pass laws based on ficticious or emotionally founded fantasies.

Every so often the government does that, goes out on a "jag".  They take
some information that is normally quite emotionally charged and use
it to pass laws that far surpass the need.

A good example was the "fact" that 50,000 children a year are abducted
and we needed new laws to stem this tide.  They passed a bunch of new
laws, citing the dopey figure, without ever considering that it was
a lie.  The laws remain to show how harmful a well-meaning but terribly
misdirected group can do.

--
73,
Steve
        Internet:  [e-mail]
        Amateur Radio:  no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
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From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:48 1996
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Steve Wolf ([e-mail]) wrote:

: A good example was the "fact" that 50,000 children a year are abducted
: and we needed new laws to stem this tide.  They passed a bunch of new
: laws, citing the dopey figure, without ever considering that it was
: a lie.  The laws remain to show how harmful a well-meaning but terribly
: misdirected group can do.

They neglected to say that, perhaps, in 95 percent of these cases the
children were "abducted" by the child's non-custodial parent.


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Rob Neff wrote:
>
> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Herman) wrote:
>
> >More like a fantasy. I am *very* sorry to read of your loss; statistics
>
> Fantasy? RF is used all the time in medicine. Tell that to the
> Chiropractor that totaly screws up 10m with his massaging wand. Uses
> RF in the 27-28 MHz band to warm tissue deep inside. Tell that to my
> Dentist who used an 'Radio Scapel' to trim back my gums the other day.
>
> >show 1 in 4 women will suffer from that form of cancer. But let's please
> >keep emotion out of this ruling. Self-denial that RF cannot cause illness
> >will only hurt yourself, but coming on here and stating that to hundreds
> >of thousands of folks is irresponsible.
>
> No self denial. It would be irresponsible to keep quiet and bend over
> for crap like this. They show proof that it harms, and how, then we
> will worry about it. I thought we stopped using 'blood-letting' as a
> treatment a long time ago, what they sugguest is the same thing.
>
> 'We don't know what it is, or if it is at all, but slit their rists
> and let some blood out just in case.'
>
> >Keep your HT at its lowest power setting (not only for health reasons
> >but also to comply with Part 97). Use a speaker mic and hold the HT
> >at arm's length when transmitting (who cares what that will look like -
> >you'll be setting a good example).
>
> Compliance in the face of stupidity is cowardice.
>
> >Be safe,
> >Jeff KH2PZ
>
> Ditto..
>
> Rob Neff (N7ORY)Hey Rob, go talk to W5RWW, he can teach you a little bit. 73
. Brian.


From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:52 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Victorio O. Ochave)
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Subject: Gracilis Packet Ten
Date: 21 Aug 96 11:42:43 GMT
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I am involved in a project to put up mountain-top, stand-alone packet
switches/routers for research and academic institutions here in the
Philippines. I would like to hear about anybody's experiences with the
Gracilis Packet Ten switch, good or bad. I would also welcome any advice.

The network involves linking mountain-top relay sites with distances from
10 km. to 40 km. We intend to use P10's and GRAPES modems with DownEAst
Microwave transverters, but have also heard that spread-spectrum radios
may be an option, if these can handle the distances.

As an option to spectrum/allocation problems related to the use of GRAPES
modems and transverters (we do not have the 100 Khz, 220 Mhz channel
allocation here), we are also considering the use of Cylink
spread-spectrum radios to be driven by the P10's. Will we not have
interfacing problems with this set-up?

Feedbacks/advice will be most appreciated.

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Communications Engineering Division
Advanced Science and Technology Institute (ASTI)
Department of Science and Technology (DOST)
4/F NEC Bldg., University of the Philippines
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From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Stewart Teaze)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Kantronics Data Engine Information
Date: 16 Aug 1996 22:32:10 GMT
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In article <4v2bqn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael
 Crowder) says:
 >
 >We've been running a Kantronics DataEngine for about two years
 >now using the G8BPQ code as the node software.  The DataEngine
 >links a 1200bd 145Mhz LAN to a 9600bd 440Mhz LAN.  A BBS resides
 >on the 440 side.  I have two questions on this setup.
 >
 >First, The BBS (JNOS) is setup to beacon users that have personal
 >mail waiting.  How do I setup up the BPQ code and the JNOS station
 >to get the beacon to the 2meter side.  The BPQ mode is setup up
 >to digipeat.  How do I route the beacon through the BPQ node?
 >
 >Second,  Is there better firmware that runs on a DataEngine?  We've
 >looked at running JNOS4, but the heard list would constantly fill
 >with garbage, and performance was terrible.

JNOS40 is indeed CRAP!  I lost a lot of time and face when I
coordinated to put my DE w/JNOS40 up as a wide-area hilltop node
in Southern California.  It lasted less than seven days.

 > I've heard there was
 >a hardware "patch" but has anyone performed this and does it help?

I would like to hear about it as well. (But to be honest,
1200bps and 9600bps is too slow to run TCP/IP).

- Stewart, N0MHS


From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:56 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Karl Medcalf (WK5M))
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: KPC-3 128k Help needed
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 03:08:21 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ken N2SQW) wrote:

>I just upgraded my KPC-3 to 128k. Is a hard reset needed to recognize the
>new amount of RAM? I still can't get the mailbox to go past 22k, and hate
>to do a hard reset (and have to re-do all of my settings) unless it's
>needed to recognize the new amount of memory. Has anyone had any
>experience with this??
>Please reply via E-Mail if possible.
>KenN2SQW @ AOL.COM

>Tnx and 73 de Ken

The KPC-3 did a hard reset when you installed the new RAM - all
settings were stored in the old RAM. Doing another hard reset won't
help - it sounds like you may have a bent pin on the RAM chip you
installed. (or a bad ram chip).


73, Karl                Internet: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Miroslav Skoric, B.Sc
.) writes:

>Hello folks,
>
>We have sometimes big problems with our FBB systems on their telephone
>modem ports, in case of lightning, storms etc. Sometimes our modems
>become burnt due to lightning, sometimes other comports too. We wonder
>how to prevent failures on comm devices and ports itself, if the bbs is
>located at the repeater point on the mounteen far away, and can't be
>switched of before the lightning. Interesting is that we don't have any
>trouble on our RF lines and TNC's, but only on telephone lines/modems.

Yet another reason not to use telephone lines!
Remember it is Amateur RADIO, not Amateur Telephony.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:57 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marco Lodola)
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Subject: Looking for Byacom scheme 9600 Bps
Date: 15 Aug 1996 16:27:47 GMT
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Hallo !!!
I looking for baycom 9600 bps scheme.
Please if you have posting by E-mail.
Tks !!!
--
Lodola Marco (IK1JXY)
Po.box 45 - 19100 - La Spezia - Italy
E-mail: [e-mail]
Packet Mail: [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:29:59 1996
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From: Dave Booth <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: New Ham Radio Discussion Area on the Web!
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 19:10:24 -0700
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James Van Houten wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> Will keep it short and to the point.  There is a new resource for Ham radio
> topics.  It is on the web.  Come on over and visit
> http://www.coronetsec.com/hamradio  All hamradio topics welcome.  Hope to
> see you there soon.
>
> Jim
> KA3TTU
>
> ps.  Don't forget to tell all of your non-newsgroup readin' friends!!  :-)
> --
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> ----------
> James Van Houten     http://www.coronetsec.com/hamradio
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------
I'll have to go and check it out!
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/5860
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Dave Booth
kc6wfs dmo4rk


From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:30:01 1996
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From: [e-mail] (James C. Brost)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: Novice tcp/ip outlook
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 06:10:51 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Les
Dittert) wrote:

> I am looking into expanding my internet activities into my other hobby,
> ham radio. In particular , seting up a high speed tcp/ip connection with
> another ham , or maybe a server. With the reading I have done so far on the
> subject , I am learning that the design evolution of the radio tcp/ip seems
> to have evolved in a different way than 'straight computer' connections.
>
> On my Mac , the modem or isdn connection is done with a PPP driver. This
> serves as the link to the modem and it's serial line. The PPP driver does
> nothing else, besides setting the phone number and a few setup values.
> Then , *any* ftp client , e-mail program , ftp server , web-browser can
> use the link.
>
> It seems that on the packet radio side , the e-mail/ftp stuff is tightly
> integrated into the , for lack of better words, "driver" that is talking
> to the radio/modem.
>
> Is this the case ? Or was I mis-reading the facts ? I hope so.
>
> I just want to use the highly developed , standard TCP software out there
> and let the "driver" do only the low level PPP type functions to keep the
> tcp/ip link happy. I couldn't care less about BBS features. Thats what I
> use the internet for !. If I want to QSO with someone , I should be able to
> use the same telnet software I use now , not some non-standard one.
> Some people may say " use a cell phone on a laptop if that's all you want
> to do " , but I can't afford that. Might as well use the ham bands that I
> still have rights too. They are worth $billions , and are under used.
>
> I think the future of packet must be in this direction , and would like to
> hear from users who can give me info on this direction.
>
> -Les
>
> Les Dittert

There was talk a while back about a driver in the works, but nothing yet.
I found a way around it though. I use a old 386 with JNOS as my TCP
station, and added a ethernet card. I added a attach command to the card,
and use OpenTransport (1.1.1b6) to link up to it. I can get and send mail
in eudora, use NCSA Telnet. FTP is a little quirky, as JNOS is not
standard in this. The biggest trouble with a driver is timeouts. If many
hops are involved, Having NCSA Telnet wait 15 minutes for a response is
not in the options. To get around this, I telnet into my JNOS system, then
telnet from the JNOS BBS prompt into the site that I wan't to connect up
with. There is a driver for DOS/WIN (ETHERAX), but it suffer's from
timeouts with slower links (like 1200 bps - Half Duplex RF links, and any
link with x hops). Best to try NET/Mac, it works good in the PC based NOS
enviorment..>

73's de KB2WDI

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From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:30:02 1996
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From: Jim <[e-mail]>
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> The best thing to do is throw the pk88 away or sell it and get a TNC
> with a Carrier Detect. You will find the pk88 performs very poorly and
> will soon get discouraged. Get a Kantronics or even an MFJ. You will
> be much happier.

Jese do you even have a PK-88? I got one for thirty five dollars and I
have never had a problem with it. Also the manual tell you how to hook
it up better then my kpc-3's does.

For whoever asked I will be happy to loan them my manual if they will
pay the mailing fee.

Jim KB0THN
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:30:04 1996
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From: "Michel Stoop (PE1OZA)" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Packet for Win95 ?
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:33:38 +0300
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Charles Morrison wrote:

> >: Anyone know of software that will do amateur radio tcp/ip under
> >: Windows 95?
> >
>
> Jim
>
> You might give ethrax25.zip a try.  Available from pc.usl.edu under packet
> drivers, it worked flawlessly (albeit slow as heck even at 9600b!) under
> windows 3.11.  Now, trumpet allowed for the packet vector to be set, and

> Anyway, it worked fine, and did just what Mike was looking for under 3.11, s
o
> maybe there is another 3rd party solution, other then holding your breath an
d
> waiting for Micro$oft to release something.
>
> Charlie

There is also a NDIS3PKT vxd driver, it does the same as WinPKT for
win3.11 but links you to the Win95 IP stack.
It is written by Dan Lanciani. You can find it at:
ftp://ndtl.harvard.edu/ndis3pkt/
As an alternativ to ethrax25 you can use pc-flexnet with the IP
extentions.
Look for FlexNet at: http://www.th-darmstadt.de/diverses/afthd/flexnet/

73' Michel, PE1OZA


From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:30:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Packet for Win95 ?
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In <4uvi7r$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James W. Barr) writes:

>From the responses you got, I am a bit disappointed.  I think for many of
>us who have working Windows 95 machines, it ould be REALLY nice if there
>were some native Windows 95 TCP/IP/AX.25 driver.  I think what the
>original poster was looking for was a way to use existing Windows 95
>programs (such as e-mail, Netscape/MSIE, FTP, ping, etc.) except throug a
>TNC.  We have dial-up services, LAN card services, why not a serial port
>TNV service?

>Microsoft could spread a LOT of good will if they would write a simple,
>solid ax.25/TXP/IP driver.

A LOT of goodwill?
I think the community of active radio amateurs that would want to use
such a feature is very small, in Micro$oft terms...

Rob
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From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:30:06 1996
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From: "Joe Stair" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: TNC hookup problem
Date: 15 Aug 1996 02:09:48 GMT
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Anyone out there know what might be the cause of my Kam operating
in the following way:
        Kam talks with the computer ok.  I can send and receive on Pactor,
Amtor, etc. without problem.  I can only receive VHF Packet.  I can initate
a connect request and watch my KAM respond, and the Yaesu FT-2400
transmit, but I am not able to connect with anyone.  Have tried different
software programs, to no avail.  Problem has to be with KAM somewhere.
Any ideas are greatly appreciated.

Joe
N8GYA
[e-mail]


From [e-mail] Wed Aug 21 13:30:07 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Chris ([e-mail]))
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Subject: want opinion on tnc for cap packet
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just checking the prices for a tnc for cap packet want maybe small not
to expensive.

Thanks,
Chris



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help


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:58:46 1996
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From: Juergen Zick <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: 70 cm deregulqtion in France
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 15:21:22 -0700
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Patrick Arnoul wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'd like to get your input from abroad about this new fact in France:
>
> Ham-Radio stores are just advertising exciting 433 Mhz HT's that
> are PTT approved and to be used without any license nor tax !
>
> The rigs are allowed from 433.050 to 434.790 Mhz and said to be
> capable of 5 to 10 Km in open fields (if you happen to know what
> that means...).
> Same thing in Germany ...  There are some Radio Modems available for
everyone and also some small handheld radio equipment ... all with 10mW,
as LPD, LOW POWER DEVICES ...

>
> This band opening to non amateurs made a lot of noise in the French
> Ham community, the feelings are diverse, but basically a certain
> frustration.

I can imagine, I have some users of such devices in my neighborhood ans
my favorite packet repeater still has a qrg within this band ...



73's and good luck to get the LPDs from the market ...


Juergen 'YOGI' Zick, DF5ZX

University of Kassel, Germany
Dept. vocational education for electrical engineering


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:58:49 1996
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Subject: 70 cm deregulqtion in France
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Hi there,

I'd like to get your input from abroad about this new fact in France:

Ham-Radio stores are just advertising exciting 433 Mhz HT's that
are PTT approved and to be used without any license nor tax !

The rigs are allowed from 433.050 to 434.790 Mhz and said to be
capable of 5 to 10 Km in open fields (if you happen to know what
that means...).

I guess the opening of this band for non amateurs come from the
previous opening of a few channels for digital modems where the
output power is limited to 10 milliwatts and the antenna should
be attached to the modem box.
The rule says that these devices cannot disturb the other users
of the band thanks to their limited RF power transmitted.

The ad. shows an Alinco DJ-41 (from memory) with an attached rubber
duck antenna and the output power is probably 10 mW which is
capable of 5 to 10 Km line of sight. But I can further check all
this, finding the new text regulating this new Citizen Band.

This band opening to non amateurs made a lot of noise in the French
Ham community, the feelings are diverse, but basically a certain
frustration.

Do you have the same kind of unregulated radio service, I know of
something called GMRS in the US, a 900 Mhz CB in the UK ?

73 de f5hnk/Patrick

--
 Patrick Arnoul                      Email: [e-mail]
 CEA Saclay
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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:58:50 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Kees Leune)
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: 70 cm deregulqtion in France
Date: 26 Aug 1996 09:39:18 GMT
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Patrick Arnoul ([e-mail]) wrote:
* Hi there,
* The rigs are allowed from 433.050 to 434.790 Mhz and said to be
* capable of 5 to 10 Km in open fields (if you happen to know what
* that means...).
*
Same here. Dutch government calls them LPD (Low power devices)

* Do you have the same kind of unregulated radio service, I know of
* something called GMRS in the US, a 900 Mhz CB in the UK ?

I have such a device residing at my neighbours house. It's a broadband FM
wireless set of headphones, with the center frequency on 433.500 MHz. Yep
you guessed, the FM calling frequency. A fellow amateur who lives about
6 km away from me could not reach me on that frequency and he sent out 35W of
power. The signal is (of course) way over S9 on my Kenwood TM733e.

Somehow, I doubt if the neighbours really only have a 10mW device.....

73 de Kees, PE1RHP

--
Kees Leune                                       Email: [e-mail]
Student of Information Management and Technology      Tilburg University
Linux, the choice of a GNU generation!                   The Netherlands

WWW: http://pi0132.kub.nl:2080/people/kees          HAM callsign: PE1RHP


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:58:51 1996
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From: Joe Lanoue <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: AEA PK 232 Connector
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 06:02:41 -0700
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Don, KF2XF wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a name or source for the small 5 pin plug that
> connects to the two radio ports on the rear of the PK232 MBD TNC? I
> want to create a new set of connecting cables from several radios.
> Please reply to [e-mail]
> Don
> KF2XF
I believe I've gotten them at Radio Shack in the past. You might bring
one that you know fits in the connector, and compare the pin alignment
on the RS connector. The pin placement can vary from DIN to DIN
manufacturer.

I wouldn't be surprised if you could find them all wired with the 5 pin
connector in a network supply catalog.

..Joe
--
Best Regards.......Joe  @  Times Microwave Systems
                   (http://www.timesmicrowave.com)



From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:58:51 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Angus John Mcleod)
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I'm interested in 32-bit native OS/2 BBS software.  Pointers, please!

73, de Gus 8P6SM
Barbados - The easternmost isle.

-=-=-=-= The ANJO BBS, Barbados =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:58:55 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Croft)
Subject: Balloon Flight!
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IT'S ANOTHER WINDTRAX
AMATEUR RADIO BALLOON FLIGHT!

All are welcome to participate and join in the fun!
 We expect this to be another successful ATV, Repeater,
and GPS/packet flight of approximately 2-3 hours duration,
and the pre-flight and post-flight nets will extend the fun.
Join us!

DATE: August 24, 1996
TIME: 1200-1300 UTC (0700-0800 Indiana time) Wx dependent
LAUNCH SITE: Purdue University Airport, Lafayette, IN.

Prelaunch Freq's: HF check-in @ 3.869-3.871MHz
                                 2 meter locals 147.135/R (W9YB)
                Nets will begin at 1130 UTC

Flight Package's:
        Crossband repeater provided by W9DUU, Paul
                2m rcvr to 6m & 70cm xmtrs, with voice ID
                Using half-wave antennas and 100mW.

        GPS/Packet system provided by WB9QPG, Dave
Garmin GPS rcvr, controlled by MIM packet & downlinked to 145.79MHz xmtr, lith
um powered.
1/4 wave antenna, 100mW output.

        ATV package by KT9V, Terry
                Contains two B&W CCD camera's & a WB8ELK color
video graphics card.  Downlinked on Wyman ATV xmtr via 1/4 wave antenna. Lithu
m powered, the
cameras are aimed horz. and vert, with controlled switching.

Flight Freq's:
Crossband Repeater Dwn 52.525 & 444.85MHz
                          (50mW & 100mW)      Up 144.3MHz
GPS/Packet:  Dwn 145.79MHz @ 1200 Baud,(VP) 100mW out
        ATV: Dwn 439.25MHz (VP) 1.5 watts output

Balloon Type: Kaymont 1200 Gr.
Parachute: Custom made by KB9BSV, Barb, is 5' in diameter

We welcome your email notes regarding your reception!




From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:58:57 1996
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From: Nuno Sucena Almeida <slug@this-news-group-please>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Baycom modem - i need some help please
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:35:26 +0000
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Hello...
ATENTION:reply in this newsgroup or to [e-mail]

Two weeks ago i build the famous baycom 1k2 modem but unfortunatly i
can't make it work. It seems to transmit well as i can hear the tones (
like some noise) and seems to receive/demodulate well, but i'm not sure
since i don't have a scope...I think the problem is the discrepancy of
voltages as the computer is a PC with RS232 at 12V and the modem is
working at 5V (getting the voltage from the RS232).
I don't know were I got the schematics, but could someone point me a site
were i can get a working one for PC.
The power voltages are correct ( aprox 4.95V ) when it transmits and when
in stanby (receive) mode and when i put a multimeter ( digital but with
two scales, one that simulates a analog,ie, very fast) at the CTS port
it changes rapidly when the modem receives the audio...
Another thing:The radios that i'm using can't disable the squelsh so its
always silent with no receiving signal.So, does the baycom modems needs the
random noise produced at the FM receiver?

The softwarez that i'm using are:

-linux 2.0.7( since i can make ping -i 5 baycomIP and try to receive without
boring another dude and when if it works  to play MUD's with all my
friends :)
-baycom software ( first try but since i don't understand deutsh :(
-NOS ( second try with AX25.COM driver , several versions ( TNOS, JNOS,
etc ...)
-TPK ( with the drivers for the baycom...)

With all of these software i can transmit but not receive but
with linux i haven't tried to receive since i haven't read the DOCS
on how to do it YET.

tks in advance...

Nuno Sucena
[e-mail]    [e-mail]       [e-mail]
http://www.ci.uc.pt/~slug/      http://www.aeminium.pt/~slug/
CT1FOX CQG9304 CQM9228          Eng.Electrote'cnica FCTUC

PS: i would like to know were to get the datasheets ( PDF please ) of the
TCM3105 , tried www.ti.com but no luck :(


Linux 2.0.7 - Aeminium BBS - Coimbra - Portugal - Europe
Please reply to this message on this newsgroup




From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:58:58 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: calculating line of sight
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dean Heinen) writes
:
>In article <4t3lu2$[e-mail]> Bill Messier <[e-mail]>
writes:
>>The formula was found in hr(ham radio) Nov.1976.
>
>>D(in miles=/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~(sq.root)
>>            1.5h (feet
>
>>That's it!
>
>Which is about as accurate as guessing, in most cases.
>There is NO substitute for correct terrain analysis, using topographic data.

Absolutely. That formula is for the radio horizon over a *smooth*
spherical Earth. It might be somewhat useful in Florida, but the
results it would give for Maine are essentially useless.

Gary
--
Gary Coffman KE4ZV          |    You make it,     | Due to provider problems
Destructive Testing Systems |    we break it.     | with previous uucp address
es
534 Shannon Way             |    Guaranteed!      | Email to [e-mail]
Lawrenceville, GA 30244     |                     |


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From: [e-mail] (Ed Mitchell)
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We've added a link to Ham Radio Online to the Frequently Asked Questions
about Cellular, PCS and Human Health issues, prepared by John Moulder, Ph.D.
You may find this information useful in this dicussion.

Some of the previous postings in this thread have contained interesting
information, often based on true stories, but also quoted incorrectly or
interpreted wrong. Unfortunately, I don't have time to respond in detail but
though it important to note that some of the info here is not correct.

Visit us at http://www.hamradio-online.com
------------------------
Ed (KF7VY) and Kim (N7VPL) Mitchell
email to [e-mail]
Visit Ham Radio Online, it's free! at
http://www.hamradio-online.com



From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:00 1996
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Subject: Re: CORRECTION - FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
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Fred McKenzie wrote:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> (Gary Coffman) wrote:
> > There is documented evidence that exposures of greater than 10 mW/cm^2
> > can cause harm. In particular, cataracts or loss of focal flexibility
> > due to RF heating of the lens of the eye, and in some cases cancers.
>
> Gary-
>
> I believe you!  Now, how does that relate to the average Ham?  Although 10
> mW/cm^2 sounds like a miniscule amount, it doesn't sound so bad when you
> convert it to 100 W/M^2 (did I do that right?).
>
> What are "real world" exposure levels that a Ham is likely to encounter in
> each of several areas of the Ham spectrum?  Suppose I have a 100 Watt HF
> transceiver to a dipole, about 20 feet off the ground.  Is anyone at risk
> while I'm on the air?  What if I run a KW?  What if I use a beam that is
> 50 feet up?
>
> How about a typical Two Meter installation?
>
> What I'm leading up to, is that the FCC might accomplish more, if they
> were to perform the math (or make the measurements) for common situations,
> and publish examples where harm might occur.
>
> 73, Fred, K4DII


You're on the right track.  If you read the Report&Order, other services
like paging, cellular, etc, received exepmtions for specific scenarios
(like for a given antenna, antenna height, and power below some level).

Why the ARRL went with the silly "prudent avoidance" (whatever that
means)approach is beyond me.  What exemption did we wind up with?  One,
less than 50 watts (irrespective of freqy, mode, antenna type and height.
This makes no sense.  The ARRL "dropped the ball" again.

S


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From: [e-mail] (Ohrstal Fembrock)
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[e-mail] (Fred McKenzie) wrote:


>I believe you!  Now, how does that relate to the average Ham?  Although 10
>mW/cm^2 sounds like a miniscule amount, it doesn't sound so bad when you
>convert it to 100 W/M^2 (did I do that right?).
>
>What are "real world" exposure levels that a Ham is likely to encounter in
>each of several areas of the Ham spectrum?  Suppose I have a 100 Watt HF
>transceiver to a dipole, about 20 feet off the ground.  Is anyone at risk
>while I'm on the air?  What if I run a KW?  What if I use a beam that is
>50 feet up?
>
>How about a typical Two Meter installation?
>
>What I'm leading up to, is that the FCC might accomplish more, if they
>were to perform the math (or make the measurements) for common situations,
>and publish examples where harm might occur.
>
>73, Fred, K4DII


Now that makes sense Fred.  Will it happen?  Hell no. Because that
makes sense Fred.




From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:06 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Glenn E. Little)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Prohibits Unreasonable Restrictions on TV Antennas
Date: 25 Aug 1996 00:59:21 GMT
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In article <n9jig-1508962030430001@0.0.0.0>, [e-mail] (Rich Carlson)
says:
>
>Does anyone have the text of this ruling?  I am trying to get my townhouse
>association to allow a DBS dish and a discone for scanning on my roof, and
>this may help push me over the edge as it were...
>
>--
>Rich Carlson, N9JIG ([e-mail])
>
>ScannerMaster Illinois Communications Guide [phone]
>
>CARMA (Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association) BBS [phone]
>PO Box 2681, Glenview IL 60025    SASE for sample newsletter.


It is available at www.fcc.gov.  It is longgggg.

This is where I found it after being alerted by the FCC Daily Digest.

Also on the Daily Digest.  Recently Centel Cellular was fined $3,000,000.00
for tower violations.  Seems that they do not understand Air Safety Zones.
A tower 187 feet high, 2.8 miles from runway, no lights!  Did not reply
to FCC for site data.  Filed with FAA 5 months after tower operational
for permission to erect tower. What a list of problems.  Fine reduced to
$2,000,000.00.  After 6 zeros, what does it matter the number in front?

73
Glenn Little
WB4UIV


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Yes, that is correct, and it does not help me.  I have decided to wait
until we move to a regular house, and get whatever the technology is then.

Thanks to all who assisted!



In article <4vnlch$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Don Sterner) wrote:

** In article <n9jig-1508962030430001@0.0.0.0>, Rich Carlson said...
** >
** >Does anyone have the text of this ruling?  I am trying to get my townhouse
** >association to allow a DBS dish and a discone for scanning on my roof, and
** >this may help push me over the edge as it were...
** >
**
** It looks like none of the other responders have mentioned that the
** ruling does NOT apply to owners of townhomes/condiminiums where the
** roof and surrounding real estate is not the sole property of the
** owner, but is shared by the group.
**
** If this is the case where you live, the ruling will not help you.
** --
** [e-mail]

--
Rich Carlson, N9JIG ([e-mail])

ScannerMaster Illinois Communications Guide [phone]

CARMA (Chicago Area Radio Monitoring Association) BBS [phone]
PO Box 2681, Glenview IL 60025    SASE for sample newsletter.


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:08 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Neff)
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Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Will Require Some Hams to File Environmental Impact Reports
Date: 21 Aug 1996 08:16:05 -0700
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"Brian E. Oakley" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hey Rob, go talk to W5RWW, he can teach you a little bit. 73. Brian.

Teach me what? What in my post are you reffering to?
But regardless, I am sure there is a lot I can learn from a ton of
Amateurs, thats why I love this hobby/service so much.
Always something you don't know, and a person willing to tell you
about it.

See ya

Rob Neff (N7ORY)



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Fred <[e-mail]> wrote:


snip


>>
>A terribly misdirected group.  May be so may not be so.  Do you have any
>facts to show that rf is harmless.

It is almost impossible to prove a negative.  Please show me a
definitive study with a properly established scientific basis that
will show that RF is harmful.  After all, it is your theory.

This is the same science that stated that bran was wonderful, only to
state a few short months later that it was not.  The same science that
stated that ALAR would kill everyone in the free world, only to state
later that the basis was flawed.  This is the same science that said
the cranberries would cause cancer in huge numbers of people, only to
be shown to be false.

Chocolate is SIMILAR to marijuana?  The center for science? and
disease control is headed by a bunch of people who at best are self
serving boobs, concerned only about perpetuating their high paying
jobs.

I don't KNOW if RF is harmful or not but virtually everything in the
human experience is harmful, or at least potentially harmful.  Cars
kill thousands every year but we raised the speed limit to 75 knowing
that there will be an incremental increase in the highway death toll.

The prez has declared that tobacco (cigarettes) are a nicotine
delivery system while VERY recently we de-drugged Nicorette gum.  My
mother has smoked for over 70 years and is in better shape than most
60 year olds I know.  I do not condone smoking but I believe that the
benefits to society COULD outweigh the negatives (agreed not likely
but every bit as speculative as your hypothesis)  BTW, could you name
any ... ANY person who has been shown to have died from second hand
smoke??  Why has the average lifespan increased in the last 200 years?

Point of speculation....  In 23 years scientists will determine that a
pack of cigarettes a day will decrease your chances to contract
PMS/Prostate trouble!

Every state (to my knowledge) has some sort of law regulating the sale
of cigarettes to minors so enacting new laws is just plain stupid
until we try to enforce the current laws.

Get a clue folks, the government is rapidly taking ALL of yur
Constitutional Rights away.  Read the Federalist Papers to understand
that the founding fathers were aware of this possibility and
considered it to be the biggest potential problem the country would
face.

>                                 Have you ever been in the near field
>of a broadcast antenna at 1KW even.  I have, not the facts or figures,
>but by personal experiance know that the inner ears heats up at a
>frequency of 1450 Khz and 1000 watts if you are there for any significant
>period of time (ie. 30 minutes or so)  Granted, amateur transmissions are
>usually short, but would you like a 4 El beam being fed with 1.5Kw pep rf
>pointed at your house????   I think not if it were your neighbors
>antenna. Do not poo poo the harm that non-ionizing radiation may or may
>not do.  It is best to treat it with a little respect and use good
>engineering practice at all times.  Hey, a well meaning, but misdirected
>group got a law passed because no one else has been able to prove them
>wrong with hard facts and figures.  I for one, after spending a few years
>in the position of a chief broadcast engineer, treat an radiation,
>non-ionizing or otherwise with respect.  remember your microwave oven
>operates in the middle of on ham band a about 1.2 gigahertz or so.  And
>it cooks things very swiftly.  Agreed it is not 3.9 Khz or 7.2, but it
>may be that the only differance is the power level and the exposer time??
>who know for sure. I don't and have met few rf engineers that are sure.
>Who wants to be the test dummy for this one fellows.  Do I hear any takers?





From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:10 1996
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Ohrstal Fembrock ([e-mail]) wrote:

: This is the same science that stated that bran was wonderful, only to
: state a few short months later that it was not.

It was only OAT bran that was wonderful, not all kinds of bran.

: Chocolate is SIMILAR to marijuana?

Yeah, but you'd have to eat 50 pounds of chocolate to get the kick of a
single reefer.

: The prez has declared that tobacco (cigarettes) are a nicotine
: delivery system while VERY recently we de-drugged Nicorette gum.

Not!  Nicorette was not de-drugged, it was taken off of prescription
status but is still very much regulated by the FDA, as are all
over-the-counter medications.


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:11 1996
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From: Randy Gleaton <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FS: Laptop $225
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 20:25:44 -0700
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I have a Toshiba T-1000 Laptop for Sale. It is a 8088 W/1 Mb. onboard.
Also has a 20 Mb. Hd & a 1.44 Mb Floppy Drive. DOS 3.3 loaded in rom
and has 1 serial & 1 parallel port. Comes with 110V adapter. and the
battery is less than 6 months old. Price is $225+Shipping or will trade
for computer equipment, such as motherboard, cpu, video card, memory...
if interested e-mail address is [e-mail]


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From: Tom Phillips <[e-mail]>
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Subject: FS: Tektronix 453 scope
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For Sale; Dual Channel 50mhz Tektronix 453 scope.  This scope has
a delay time multiplier, and extends the actual frequency meas. to
over 110mhz (actual measurments).  Has original manual, and a 10x
probe.  No dents, scrathes, and all funtions work.  No bulbs or
LED's burnt out.

Price: $650.00
Contact Tom (AB5ZJ) at [e-mail]   or leave reply here


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:15 1996
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From: Steve Wolf <[e-mail]>
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Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 01:01:12 -0400
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Burt Fisher wrote:
> AA0NN sent me a message that he was deleting my message because he did
> not like the subject title about what makes a loser. Why are some SYSOPS
> Tin Gods? They are little wimpy men that are nothing in their everyday
> life that become Tin Gods here on packet.

I had a mentally retarded user who received a message much like the one
you sent here.  It was a very derogatory flame to my user's request.
I was able to intercept the message before the boy received that
response.

Since that date, derogatory flames are deleted.  The fellow that sent
the message to my retarded user will be forever more on autokill.

Get over it.  There are a whole bunch of us out here who agree with
AAONN.  The Internet is a much better vehicle for such nonsense.  Keep
it on Usenet and you can flame to your heart's content.  You can even
send such messages as you did to groups like rec.radio.amateur.homebrew.

--
73,
Steve
        Internet:  [e-mail]
        Amateur Radio:  no8m@no8m.#neoh.oh.usa.na
        MSYS Mail List:  [e-mail] ('info' for title)


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:18 1996
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

--------------1DB942D744B7
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Have I hit on a sore point?

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="aa0nn"
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AA0NN sent me a message that he was deleting my message because he did
not like the subject title about what makes a loser. Why are some SYSOPS
Tin Gods? They are little wimpy men that are nothing in their everyday
life that become Tin Gods here on packet.

Was the Wizard of Oz a ham radio SYSOP?

Of course there are SYSOPs that have self confidence and allow points of
view they do not agree with

It appears Mr. Wolfe also is in violation of FCC rules as his address
does not correspond with where he is SYSOPing.

AA0NN              WOLFE, JOHN R                           LIC ISU  4-MAY-1995
EXTRA              6402 HAMPTON DR                         LIC EXP 22-MAR-2004
DOB 31-JUL-1962    ANCHORAGE            AK  99504          LST UPD  4-MAY-1995

Burt
--------------1DB942D744B7--



From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:19 1996
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From: "Kevin Hogg - Product Support Department Manager." <[e-mail]>
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Can anyone help.
I purchased KAGOLD as GM0UZJ, now Ive moved back to England, Ive got to
drop the GM to G.  Now the software dosent recognise my call G0UZJ.  How
do I change it????

Amy help would be gratefully appreciated.

Cheers

Kev.
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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:20 1996
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Kevin Hogg - Product Support Department Manager. wrote:
>
> Can anyone help.
> I purchased KAGOLD as GM0UZJ, now Ive moved back to England, Ive got to
> drop the GM to G.  Now the software dosent recognise my call G0UZJ.  How
> do I change it????

That is one of the many problems with KaGold. You will have to spend
more money on anther registertion fee to chance your call.  I would
contact the author for more information.

73 de Jon


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:21 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Gary Coffman)
Subject: Re: Lightning failures!
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In article <4vjk9p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gary Coffma
n) writes:
>>In article <4vbnbk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Miroslav Skoric,
B.Sc.) writes:
>>>>Hello folks,
>>>Unless the supply breaks the safety ground path, it won't protect from
>>your posited failure mechanism. However, a linear supply, especially one
>>with a Faraday shielded transformer, will communicate fewer power line
>>disturbances to the DC circuitry.
>
>That's exactly what the linear supplies in the Integrand Research cases have
>for pig iron!

Yeah, but Faraday shielding still won't solve the problem you were
blaming on switchers and MOVs. The safety ground still has to be
broken to stop the internal ground runs from being elevated in
potential (and breaking the safety ground, besides being a safety
violation itself, can lead to side flashes during a lightning
strike).

>>Good quality suppression is important. More important is to follow
>>*carefully* the advice in the book about single point grounding.
>>That way, even though the ground point is elevated in potential
>>during a strike, so will be the ground of all other perpherials
>>connected to the computer. No potential difference, no damaging
>>current flow.
>>
>
>Precisely.  Perhaps one of the biggest real problems in the pile!  There are
>precious few of us that can common point ground all the RF stuff PLUS the
>power line input point!  Ham shacks don't seem to get build at the inside
>wall face where the meter mount is attached, do they?
>
>:)

Actually, single pointing the station is not that difficult. It is
not necessary to locate the station where power enters the residence.
You establish the single point where power and RF (and telco) enter
*the station* area. You do that with a ground window. Don't just
plug your equipment into any old wall outlet. Take the power through
your ground window *first* (bonding and suppressing as required),
then distribute it to your station equipment through outlet strips
on the *station side* of the ground window. Do the same with every
other cable entering or leaving the station area. Simple really.

You want to bond the ground window to Earth with a good low impedance
connection, probably to your tower ground if you have a tower. But
even if that Earth connection isn't great, the ground window will
still do its job of equalizing ground potentials for all your station
equipment, since that's isolated behind the ground window, and that's
all that's really essential to keep damaging currents from flowing
through and between pieces of station equipment.

Gary
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es
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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:22 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Alexander)
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Subject: Looking for a mailorder outfit to purchase a handheld scanner
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 1996 19:23:56 -0400
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Looking for a good mailorder firm to purchase a handheld scanner from:

I am interested in the following units:


    ICOM R1
    AOR 8000

Please email feedback to [e-mail]

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[e-mail]
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Douglas Alexander
Florida Power & Light
Turkey Point Nuclear Plant
Nuclear Operations Department

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and I'm heading back as soon as
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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:23 1996
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From: "Bill Turner, WB4ALM" <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.digital.misc
Subject: Re: MFJ 1270C/9600B problems ... some answers
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 1996 09:44:33 -0400
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Andrew Cornwall wrote:
>
>
(snip)
>      I apologize for using so much bandwidth to document these
> problems. It may be that Al and I, and John with his MFJ1278,
> were among the unlucky few to obtain units having DCD flicker. At
> least with this investigation there appears to be a way to fix
> it.
>
(snip)
>

No apologies needed... Your information provided me knowledge, and
a hardcopy print was well received by a friend who is have troubles
with a homebrew circuit... He thinks you may have provided him with
an insight as to what he is doing wrong!

/s/ Bill Turner, WB4ALM


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:24 1996
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From: Dr Tony Farrow <[e-mail]>
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Subject: PLL Radio for 9600 baud packet?
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 1996 11:44:08 -0700
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Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a brand of 70cm radio from any of the major
ham-radio manufacturers that is really suitable for 9600 baud packet?  I
wonder if there are any PLL sets that are satisfactory?

Thanks & Cheers,

Tony vk2tjf

--

Dr Tony Farrow,
Physics Dept.,
Macquarie University,
Sydney,
Australia 2109.

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[e-mail] (Tim Gerchmez) wrote:
>On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:46:16 GMT, [e-mail] (Gregg) wrote:
>
>
>>>Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh ernyyl bhtug gb trg bhg zber
>>
>>Url!  Jung xvaq bs n penpx vf gung?  :-D
>
>Urururur.. V gubhtug EBG13 jnf bhg bs qngr.. guvf vf gur svefg gvzr
>V'ir frra vg hfrq va dhvgr n juvyr ;)
>

Jung vf/jnf EBG13 ??









From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:26 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth E. Harker)
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Subject: Re: SAMS Needs Your Electronics URLs
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tim
Gerchmez) wrote:

> On 23 Aug 1996 12:05:57 GMT, Phil Wakely <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >[e-mail] (Tim Gerchmez) wrote:
> >>On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:46:16 GMT, [e-mail] (Gregg) wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh ernyyl bhtug gb trg bhg zber
> >>>
> >>>Url!  Jung xvaq bs n penpx vf gung?  :-D
> >>
> >>Urururur.. V gubhtug EBG13 jnf bhg bs qngr.. guvf vf gur svefg gvzr
> >>V'ir frra vg hfrq va dhvgr n juvyr ;)
> >>
> >
> >Jung vf/jnf EBG13 ??
> >
>
> Tvira gung lbh rapbqrq gur nobir, lbh onfvpnyyl nyernql xabj jung vg
> vf.  Vg'f n fvzcyr Hfrarg rapbqvat zrgubq (sbetbg jurer vg bevtvangrq,
> fbzrbar ryfr pbhyq cebonoyl gryy lbh).  V unqa'g rire frra vg hfrq
> orsber hagvy guvf guernq fgnegrq.  Zl arjfernqre (Ntrag .99S) vapyhqrf
> n EBG13 rapbqre/qrpbqre, fb V'z abg qbvat guvf ol unaq ;)

Gur svefg checbfr V rire fnj EBG-13 hfrq sbe (onpx va 1991 be gurernobhgf)
jnf gb uvqr rvgure gur chapuyvar bs be na ragver wbxr gung jnf cbgragvnyyl
bssrafvir be bs n evfdhr angher, cercraqrq jvgu n pyrnegrkg qvfpynvzre, fb
nf gb nyybj gur vaqvivqhny ernqre gur bcgvba bs jurgure be abg gb ivrj gur
zngrevny.  V'z fher gurer ner bgure tbbq ernfbaf sbe vg nf jryy.

Nf gb jurer vg bevtvangrq, vg'f n irel fvzcyr Pnrfne pvcure gung'f orra
nebhaq n ybat juvyr (fvapr ng yrnfg gur qnlf bs Whyvhf Pnrfne) - lbh whfg
fuvsg rirel yrggre 13 fcnprf va gur nycunorg (jenccvat nebhaq nf
arprffnel.)  V'z abg pregnva jung "EBG" zrnaf be jurer vg pnzr sebz,
gubhtu.

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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:27 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Tim Gerchmez)
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Subject: Re: SAMS Needs Your Electronics URLs
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On 23 Aug 1996 12:05:57 GMT, Phil Wakely <[e-mail]> wrote:

>[e-mail] (Tim Gerchmez) wrote:
>>On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 04:46:16 GMT, [e-mail] (Gregg) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>Vs lbh pna ernq guvf, lbh ernyyl bhtug gb trg bhg zber
>>>
>>>Url!  Jung xvaq bs n penpx vf gung?  :-D
>>
>>Urururur.. V gubhtug EBG13 jnf bhg bs qngr.. guvf vf gur svefg gvzr
>>V'ir frra vg hfrq va dhvgr n juvyr ;)
>>
>
>Jung vf/jnf EBG13 ??
>

Tvira gung lbh rapbqrq gur nobir, lbh onfvpnyyl nyernql xabj jung vg
vf.  Vg'f n fvzcyr Hfrarg rapbqvat zrgubq (sbetbg jurer vg bevtvangrq,
fbzrbar ryfr pbhyq cebonoyl gryy lbh).  V unqa'g rire frra vg hfrq
orsber hagvy guvf guernq fgnegrq.  Zl arjfernqre (Ntrag .99S) vapyhqrf
n EBG13 rapbqre/qrpbqre, fb V'z abg qbvat guvf ol unaq ;)


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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:29 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Marty Albert)
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Subject: Re: SAMS Needs Your Electronics URLs
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[e-mail] (J Adams) wrote:

>Electronics Resource Internet Addresses Needed
>               for Publisher.
>==============================================
>To all Electronics Companies, Service Person-
>nel, Webmasters & Hobbyists,

>I am preparing a book tentatively titled "Sam's
>Internet Guide to the Electronics Industry", to
>be published by Howard W. Sams & Co. and PROMPT
>Publications.  The book will contain site add-
>resses for electronics resources.  Companies,
>organizations and individual web creators are
>encouraged to fill out a simple FORM at the ad-
>dress below.
>-----------------------------------------------
>     http://web.idirect.com/~ifx/book/
>-----------------------------------------------
>In addition, any electronics related addresses
>or resources you run into while surfing please
>let me know by filling out said form.

>If you lack FORMS capability send an email with
>the info below.  I am especially interested in
>sites offering simple electronics repair data,
>service specs and hobbyist help-pages. Other
>resources are more than welcome. Top Urls will
>be printed in this directory and updated in
>future issues.
>-------------------------------------------------
>Name:
>Company Name:
>Nature of Business:
>Address http:
>Other Addresses:
>FTP Site:
>E-mail Contact:
>E-mail Main (info):
>Webmaster:
>Listserv:
>How often is your website updated:
>What type of information can be found on your
> website or special features:
>Has the WWW helped your business:
>Comments:
>-------------------------------------------------
>Send to John Adams -- [e-mail]

>If you know of any other Electronics related
>links please let me know in an email or a blank
>form.

>Thank you in advance. John Adams -- Author

>John J. Adams   |  "Forever Learning"    |
>Author          |  "Forever Questioning" |
>Web Designer    |  "Forever Creating"    |

>[e-mail]------------

>INFINET-FX @ http://web.idirect.com/~ifx/


I assume that this book will be provided free to all who submit or are
just trying to get us all to:

  1) Do all your work
  2) Still pay for the book

Just curious... I gave up doing research for others without pay when I
got my degree.

Take Care & 73



Marty Albert - [e-mail]
Amateur Radio: KC6UFM@KC6UFM.#SEMO.MO.USA.NOAM

Heartland Internet Services

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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:32 1996
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Subject: Re: SAMS Needs Your Electronics URLs
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail]
 says...

>Nf gb jurer vg bevtvangrq, vg'f n irel fvzcyr Pnrfne pvcure gung'f orra
>nebhaq n ybat juvyr (fvapr ng yrnfg gur qnlf bs Whyvhf Pnrfne) - lbh whfg
>fuvsg rirel yrggre 13 fcnprf va gur nycunorg (jenccvat nebhaq nf
>arprffnel.)  V'z abg pregnva jung "EBG" zrnaf be jurer vg pnzr sebz,
>gubhtu.
>

My guess is ROT13 is short for ROTATE 13. If you imagine the alphabet on a
wheel, you would cipher the text by rotating the wheel 13 spaces



From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:33 1996
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From: [e-mail](Jeff Anderson)
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Subject: Re: SAMS Needs Your Electronics URLs
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In <4vqfae$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (GeorgeS) writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail]
 says...
>
>>Nf gb jurer vg bevtvangrq, vg'f n irel fvzcyr Pnrfne pvcure gung'f
orra nebhaq n ybat juvyr (fvapr ng yrnfg gur qnlf bs Whyvhf Pnrfne) -
lbh whfg fuvsg rirel yrggre 13 fcnprf va gur nycunorg (jenccvat nebhaq
nf arprffnel.)  V'z abg pregnva jung "EBG" zrnaf be jurer vg pnzr sebz,
>>gubhtu.
>>
>
>My guess is ROT13 is short for ROTATE 13. If you imagine the alphabet
on a wheel, you would cipher the text by rotating the wheel 13 spaces
>

By goom, you're right!  I did it the hard way - I noticed Ken Harker
had capitalized a V in the middle of one of his sentences.  I assumed
this was "I" (what other single letter do we capitalize?) and
translated (rotated) the alphabet accordingly.  Everything fell out
nicely from there.

After deciphering "If you can read this, you really ought to get out
more," I decided the effort greatly outweighed the rewards!

- Jeff (wrss)




From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:34 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) writ
es:

>On Sun, 18 Aug 1996 11:45:38 GMT, [e-mail] (Rob Janssen) wrote:
>>In <4uvi7r$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (James W. Barr) writes:
>>>Microsoft could spread a LOT of good will if they would write a simple,
>>>solid ax.25/TXP/IP driver.
>>
>>I think the community of active radio amateurs that would want to use
>>such a feature is very small, in Micro$oft terms...
>>
>VERY VERY small. With 99% of the amateur packet systems stuck in the 70's at
>1200 baud or less. Piping in a windoze box seems like a exercise in futility.
>First thing you know someone is going to want a web server instead of a bbs!
>Nah!

>Beyond that i'd be surprised if the MStcp stack deals very well with return
>times measured in minutes rather than fractions of seconds. I'm afraid the
>majority of connections you could make on your local packet network would loo
k
>like 'time-outs' to the win95-box.

It doesn't seem too bad.  Some people use win95 machines on ethernet
and a DOS machine as a router between ethernet and AX.25 packet, and
it seems to work quite well.

(sure there have been various TCP/IP implementations with ridiculous
retry and timeout policies, but now that TCP/IP is not only used on
local ethernets but also on the world-wide Internet, programmers have
had to implement more reasonable algorithms)

Rob
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+------------------------------------+--------------------------------------+


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:35 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth)
Subject: Re: TCP/IP Packet for Win95 ?
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[e-mail] (Rob Janssen) wrote:

>In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian Ellsworth) wri
tes:
>>Beyond that i'd be surprised if the MStcp stack deals very well with return
>>times measured in minutes rather than fractions of seconds. I'm afraid the
>>majority of connections you could make on your local packet network would lo
ok
>>like 'time-outs' to the win95-box.
>
>It doesn't seem too bad.  Some people use win95 machines on ethernet
>and a DOS machine as a router between ethernet and AX.25 packet, and
>it seems to work quite well.
>
My setup exactly. Well... almost. My system uses a three machine
ethernet. I use a stripped down NOS-dos box as a router/tnc (3 tncs)
interface (it's also my repeater controller:), and a second nos-dos
box as a POP/nntp/ftp client/server. The win95 box does most of it's
transactions via ethernet with the nos-dos server. I've tried using
win95 to ftp or smtp directly (via the router) to other hams and it is
marginal at best. It's not too bad on the 9.6K tnc interface, but
hopeless on the 1200 baud tncs.

In my area (connecticut) there is little or no interest in any amateur
networks beyond the 1/2 duplex 1200 baud junk. We have a 9.6K repeater
centrally located with fair coverage and power, but after more than 3
years of operation it still only has 3 users.

From my point of view amateur packet is already dead, we just haven't
buried it yet.

>(sure there have been various TCP/IP implementations with ridiculous
>retry and timeout policies, but now that TCP/IP is not only used on
>local ethernets but also on the world-wide Internet, programmers have
>had to implement more reasonable algorithms)
>
really? News to me. i must be living in a third world amateur
community. JNOS is still considered the top of the line state of the
art.... (nothing against JNOS, 3 years ago it did seem to be filling
the gap.)

The problem is the ham radio digital community in general is totally
stagnate. At least here in Connecticut. At one time i was involved in
the crusade to gather resources and spectrum for ham digital. The
effort was futile and i've since given up. Around here, folks seem
more interested in debating the efficiency of two or three extra
packet header bytes than building networks that work.

Packet here has gone the way of CW. It's cute and fun to fool around
with for a while, but as a practical communication alternative for
public service or personal correspondence it has little application.


-be


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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:37 1996
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary Coffman
) writes:

>>7+ adds a large overhead. YAPP is not insignificant.

>ftp's TCP header overhead isn't insignificant either, and it has to be
>tucked inside *every* AX25 frame too. We don't have to do it that way.
>The FBB BBS uses a compression scheme for batch forwarding which is much
>more efficient than plain ftp or 7+ or YAPP. Note packet inherently

I think the FBB forwarding uses LZH on top of YAPP.  Why is it so much
more efficient than YAPP?  Presumably only because of the compression.
(in this context, that is.  of course the multi-BID forwarding negotiation
also improves efficiency of the FBB forwarding scheme when compared to
the older RLI/MBL scheme)

>handles octet data, there's no real reason to use 7+ or YAPP to reshuffle
>binary data into 7 bit ASCII printable characters. That's only useful if
>the transmission system can only handle 7 bit data, and that doesn't
>apply to packet.

This is true for the links, but not for the message structure that has
been chosen for packet BBSes in the early days.  So, you cannot avoid to
use some use some character stuffing to escape the characters for which
the system isn't transparent.
Of course FBB has the capability to forward binary files, but it isn't
widely used.

>We could use the Xmodem protocol over plain AX25 if we wished, and pick
>up a 12.5% throughput improvement over 7+.

Unlikely.  You may be misinterpreting "7+" as "use 7 of the 8 bits",
but in fact it uses slightly more than 7 bits (224 out of 256 characters,
if I remember well).  There is some header overhead but it is well spent.
(=you would need it with other protocols as well)

>Or we could forward using G
>protocol with compression and pick up a 50% or better improvement in
>throughput.

Where do you get this 50% from?  From compression?
Compression is already used, so you cannot get its gain again.

>Since we've
>already got the packet CRC to insure end to end integrity, we really don't
>have to burden each packet with other overhead to insure data delivery.

The existence of 7+ error reports and correction files shows that this
is not true.  The designers of TNC-host protocols also forgot to include
a checksum/CRC on these protcols, which makes the resulting end-to-end link
(host to host) unreliable.
An extra checksum at some of the higher levels does not hurt at all.

>We could just use a stream protocol with a header only added on a file
>by file basis if we wished, and that would be even better than using
>Xmodem or G protocol with their redundant packetizing of the data
>stream. (This is the virtual circuit model, of course.)

This basically is what YAPP does.  What is your problem?

Rob
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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:38 1996
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From: Hank Oredson <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: The Future Of The Packet BBS - Item OUT 1
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 11:33:11 -0800
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Gary Coffman wrote:

<good stuff left out>

> But Clover isn't packet, nor does it have the overhead
> that packet has, and it won't directly interoperate with the
> packet network. For batch forwarding in non-realtime, that
> isn't an issue, but for realtime operation it is. If we
> use a gateway with a circuit switched routing scheme, we
> can run TCP/IP over Clover (just as we would over a point
> to point landline dialup modem), but we would have to
> mechanize the "call" setup and teardown procedures for
> the gateway. And our throughput would decrease due to the
> overhead of the TCP headers. It's doable, but no one has
> done it yet for Clover.

There might be a fairly simple way to implement point-to-point
links using CLOVER (or TOR for that matter).  The idea is to write
a loadable back end driver for the G8BPQ switch.  I actually started
on this project, but got diverted to doing other things.  Have all
the required CLOVER device drivers (for the PCI4000, P38, and DSP4100),
but have NOT been able to find complete documentation on the BPQ
back end interface.

There is some info in the bpq release, but it is incomplete.

If anyone has better info, would much appreciate a copy.


From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:41 1996
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Janssen)
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In <4v857u$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Marty Albert) writes:

>Satellites offer perhaps the best chance for a true high speed Ham
>network. We would instantly remove most of the speed and operational
>limits imposed by the rules. The downside is the cost and lead-time
>involved in getting such a network in place.

>Ground station costs would be, for all practical considerations, a
>small problem... As Gary Coffman suggested, we need very high speed
>LANs and at least medium speed long haul links. How about this... Use
>56 Kbps on the LAN with 9600 bps user access, then link the LANs
>together via T1 or T3 sat. links? This way, only one point in a LAN
>would need to have the expensive high speed gear.

>The use of geosynchronos birds with ability to link both to the ground
>and to each other at T3 speeds would allow very fast contact between
>any two points. (I leave it to those that know about these things to
>figure out how many sats would be needed, where they should be, etc.)

Why don't you just cut out those hypothetical solutions?   It is
unrealistic to expect the amateur radio community to setup a multi-GEOsat
T1 or T3 speed network, so it is no use to speculate about how nice
it would work.

Stay realistic, and you can achieve a lot more.

Rob
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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:42 1996
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Need help for a contact in the U.S for
Tokyo High Power Labs ,please e-mail
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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:43 1996
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From: Gareth Rowlands <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Where can I get UKNOS
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In message <[e-mail]> Mike wrote:

> Please can someone tell me where I cam download a copy of
> UKNOS.

ftp.demon.co.uk  pub/ham/tcpip/jnos/uknos.zip

> Also, are there any better/friendlier progs for TCP/IP?

Talk to "The Men From A.U.N.T.I.E" - the men in the know.

Pick up your internal phone and ring: Kendal Avenue 300
on a shift 2 "on" day (Monday, Tuesday, Friday etc. this week)
and ask for Gareth.

> [e-mail]

http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/rat/arg/

Cheers,

Gareth.



From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:44 1996
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Hi,

Please can someone tell me where I cam download a copy of
UKNOS.

Also, are there any better/friendlier progs for TCP/IP?

Many thanks,

Mike
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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:45 1996
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From: Chuck Harrington <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Win 95 Program for PK-232
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 12:40:06 -0500
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Curt Dunn wrote:
>
> Thanks for reading this:
>   Have heard there was a shareware/freeware program for the 232 to use runni
ng
>   packet in Win95. Have done all the searches with no luck.
>
>   Would appreciate any help if it is out there on the Net.
>
>   Any Email or posting to the Newsgroup would be appreciated.
>
>   73 de Curt,KA2SLC
> --
> CURT
> [e-mail]
> http://www.netsync.net/users/cdunn

May I suggest that you try 'Visual PacketPeT'. You can download
it at the sights listed below. I think you will be impressed!

73 Chuck

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From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:46 1996
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From: Cornelis Karel <[e-mail]>
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Te>
> I have had to go back to running the "dos" version of BPQ in a DOS
> window. Not a very good solution!
Hello,
did you put the bpqdll.dll onder de system directorie from windows???
73 karel


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> >Is there a windows version for bpq???
>
> Yes.  BPQ408a runs under Windows.

Has anybody got the Windows version of BPQ to run *reliably* under
Windows95 ?

I found it crashes after a few minutes, taking the whole Windows system
down with it.

I suspected it might be an interrupt clash between BPQ and the Windows
comms drivers, so I removed the Comms drivers (for the com ports that BPQ
was using) from the Win95 setup. That did stop BPQ from crashing the PC,
but then BPQ stops decoding about 90% of incoming packets (mainly the
longer ones).

I have had to go back to running the "dos" version of BPQ in a DOS
window. Not a very good solution!



From [e-mail] Tue Aug 27 15:59:47 1996
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Subject: WTD: TNC/Mike Switch, Kenwood to AEA Pk232
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From: Scott Johnston <[e-mail]>
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Anyone have an extra or ever maker one?
Scott Johnston KD4EBL
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