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General OS/2 Discussion (Fidonet)
Saturday, 13-Nov-1999 to Friday, 19-Nov-1999
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From: Lee Aroner 11-Nov-99 23:21:00
To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: Get Going
<snipped a bit about some incredibly silly scheme to jury-rig an
unsuspecting victim's hard ddrives and god-knows-what-else...>
MR> Be sure to read Murray Lesser's message to you on this topic. He brings
up
> several valid points.
MR> Your guru has made some fundamental errors, which should be a warning
flag.
This guy sounds like the dork that must have rigged up the most
ridiculous, hacked up mess of a Win 3.x network installation I
have ever seen (couple of years ago)...some dingleberry had used
the ability to move most of the Win files off to a network drive,
using some really bizarre directory scheme to get around the
common files problem, leaving only the basic startup stuff on the
mostly empty user's drives. Took me most of a day to figure out
what he had done and why it stopped working, and about an hour
and a half to completely disable the mess.
The silly schemes some win weenies will come up with...<shaking
head>
LRA
-- SPEED 2.01 #2720: Disregard anything I said about last night.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 11-Nov-99 09:14:11
To: Peter Knapper 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: dos games under Warp 4
Hello Peter,
09 Nov 99 22:37, Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx:
PK> Actually its even more intelligent than that, if the memory being
PK> swapped out is part of an EXE file that never actually changes while
PK> it is in memory, it doesn't really swap it out, it marks the PAGE as
PK> being swapped and then continues, but when it needs that PAGE in
PK> again, it just loads it directly from the image it stored in the SWAP
PK> file that it wrote when the application was initially loaded!
So you say that it loads pages from the swap file wich aren't being swapped
out before?? OS/2 v2.x does swap pages from an executable (.EXE-, DLL-files)
file out to the swap file and reloads them from the swap page. I don't
remember how OS/2 Warp 3 does it.
IIRC, OS/2 (at least Warp 4) reloads pages from an executable file (such as
.EXE-, .DLL-files) from that executable file where it is loaded from again
(and not from the swap file) when it's needed again.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Chernobyl used Windows NT, shouldn't you?
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From: Eddy Thilleman 11-Nov-99 09:25:11
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: dos games under Warp 4
Hello Linda,
09 Nov 99 22:37, Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx:
PK> Actually its even more intelligent than that, if the memory being
PK> swapped out is part of an EXE file that never actually changes while
PK> it is in memory, it doesn't really swap it out, it marks the PAGE as
PK> being swapped and then continues, but when it needs that PAGE in
PK> again, it just loads it directly from the image it stored in the SWAP
PK> file that it wrote when the application was initially loaded!
IIRC, OS/2 (at least Warp 4) reloads pages from an executable file (such as
.EXE-, .DLL-files) from that
executable file where it is loaded from again (and not from the swap file)
when it's needed again. This is the reason why executable files (.EXE-,
.DLL-files) which are in use are locked by OS/2: to make *sure* that file
can't be changed while it is running, the same is true for those memory pages:
they are marked as executable code and they are write protected.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... A social life? What board do I download THAT from?
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From: Eddy Thilleman 11-Nov-99 09:45:10
To: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: An Inquiring Mind
Hello Holger,
08 Nov 99 20:38, Holger Granholm wrote to Herbert Bushong:
HG> I don't doubt that Telix works under OS/2 but I wanted an OS/2
HG> terminal program. That's why I tested and then registered ZOC.
ZOC doesn't need Vmodem for telnetting as client because ZOC has its own
built-in telnet client. If you need a telnet server, I don't know about ZOC.
Vmodem is a telnet client and a telnet server (it works both ways).
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... OS/2 VirusScan -- "Windows found: Remove it? [Y,n]"
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From: Eddy Thilleman 11-Nov-99 10:52:17
To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: Win9XX Question
Hello Mike,
09 Nov 99 17:32, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX:
MR> So, to install Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need to give up DOS, since
MR> it'll overwrite it when installing.
Have you never heard of different boot partitions??
MR> The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like
MR> System Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files of
MR> the operating systems it supports. It allows you to install any
MR> number of OS's on the same partition, and choose which to boot at
MR> startup.
So System Commander does something like OS/2 Warp 4 does with dual boot when a
DOS version and OS/2 Warp 4 are both installed on the same primary C:
FAT-partition? Can't System Commander use different boot partitions (or you
didn't mention that)?
IMHO, OS/2 should be installed only on a HPFS partition. Leave FAT partitions
to real plain DOS.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Windows: Try it, you'll like it!
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 07:46:26
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: dos games under Warp 4
Hello Linda,
To load your memory further ;-)) and I hadn't thought of this before:
06 Nov 99 12:31, Linda Proulx wrote to Peter Knapper:
LP> I guess what I want to do is maximise the 32 Mb of memory I have.
OS/2 is perfect for this. :) You can have multiple VDM's and/or multiple VMB's
running at the same time under OS/2 (both VDM's and VMB's are DOS sessions).
VDM = Virtual DOS Machine : this is OS/2's own DOS support
VMB = Virtual Machine Boot: to run any plain DOS version under OS/2 (for
example PC-DOS, MS-DOS, DR-DOS/Novell DOS/Caldera DOS)
Both VDM's and VMB's can be windowed or full-screen.
LP> I use to run DV & I would load some program specific drivers for that
LP> session if they weren't needed in the general boot up. That way I
LP> could run more DV windows. I guess that's what I'm trying to do here.
Under OS/2, each DOS session has its own memory and each DOS session is not
taking away memory from other DOS sessions. Each DOS session can have its own
set of DOS drivers loaded (DOS_DEVICE in the DOS settings, such drivers are
only loaded when that DOS session is running). No loaded driver does take
memory away from other DOS sessions.
LP> In order to have more virtual sessions available to me generally I
LP> don't want to take away anything from the original OS startup that may
LP> lose me 1 or 2 available sessions later that a specific need driver
LP> would take away from my total available memory.
The last sentence makes no sense to me. :) The only answer is that this
doesn't happen under OS/2.
OS/2 doesn't have these silly limitations. :) You need to do away with that
DOS-thinking. :-)
If plain DOS is like transport by hand without basket, without equipment and
without vehicles, OS/2 is a full-sized truck with air-conditioning and a very
comfortable drivers seat, and with all the equipment to automatically load and
unload that truck. :-)) In other words: DOS is very limited and DOS can't get
far and DOS can do just one thing at a time (with TSR's DOS can do 1 and 1/10
thing at a time), while with OS/2 all you ever want to do is possible (and
automated and at the same time if you desire).
BTW, that rings a bell:
if operating systems were like transport systems,
DOS would be transport by hand without basket, without equipment and without
vehicles
Desqview would be a cart pulled by you walking forwards
win3.x would be a cart pulled by you walking backwards
win32 would be a tram pulled by a horse with the horse walking backwards
win9x would be a wagon pulled by a horse with the horse walking backwards
win nt would be a truck pulled by a horse with the horse walking backwards
OS/2 would be a full-sized truck with air-conditioning and a very comfortable
drivers seat, and with all
the equipment to automatically load and unload that truck
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... WindowError:016 Door locked. Try control-alt-delete
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From: Holger Granholm 11-Nov-99 21:01:00
To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: Re: Manual?
In a message dated 11-09-99, Mike Ruskai said to Holger Granholm:
Hi Mike,
LP>So do I, but the OS/2 one ptreety bare.
HG> Sorry Linda, I don't understand the above.
HG> Do you?
MR>An odd typo. The first t should be adjacent to the second one, and
MR>one e removed making it:
MR>"pretty bare"
OK, thanks for the explanation.
I thought that Linda would have explained it herself. Maybe she didn't
understand it herself ;-)
MR>In other words, she's saying that the OS/2 manual is sparse on
MR>information.
MR>I'd agree with Warp 4, but the Warp 3 manual is fairly thick.
Yeah, it is the Warp 3 manual she's got.
MR>Though it's still no match for what OS/2 2.1 came with. I actually
MR>read that sucker before installing.
So did I and I also still have it. Who'd install v2.1 today <BG>.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 11-Nov-99 21:01:00
To: John Thompson 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: PM Sessions
In a message dated 11-09-99, John Thompson said to Mike Ruskai:
FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized?
MR> The short answer is that you can't.
JT>Well, you can "trick" the system into allowing you to set the
JT>"Start minimized" button on a PM executable. All you have to do
JT>is mis-spell the executable name in the "path and filename"
JT>section of the settings. While the name is mis-spelled, go to
JT>the "Session" page and you will find the "Start minimized" button
JT>is now selectable. Select it, go back to the "Program" page and
JT>correct the spelling on the executable name. If you go nback to
JT>the "session" page, you will see that the "Start minimized"
JT>section is once again greyed out, but that "Start minimized" is
JT>still selected. If the PM exectuable honors the "Start
JT>minimized" request, it will start minimized. But not all PM
JT>executable honor this.
Neat trick! Thanks John.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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* MR/2 2.26 * Ultimate memory manager: Windows 95. It manages to use it all.
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From: Linda Proulx 12-Nov-99 10:22:05
To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
WH> Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 11-10-1999
WH> As I said, you won't know for sure until you try it! The first
True. Will do the main one first. Than will try out the other.
WH> command line'. If it gets that far, it will probably install. As for
WH> the CDROM, Warp and Warp Connect come with a remote install program
WH> which will build boot diskettes that bring up a mini-lan session that
Nice to know.
WH> allows you to install over a LAN connection - and you obviously have a
WH> NIC in the clunker.
NIC? Never heard that before. Now be nice the the poor thing. It's
done good service for many years. Unfortunately, technology has passed
it by.
WH> know of that was written in stone so invest 15 minutes and see what
WH> does or does not work in your machine. I thought I would get this out
Will do.
WH> Friday but the stuff hit the fan at work today and I doubt I'll get to
WH> DHL before Monday.
That's OK. Understand. Sorry about work. Y2K stuff?
Anon,
Linda
... OS/2 VirusScan: WINDOWS detected. Delete? (Y/Y)
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From: Linda Proulx 12-Nov-99 10:52:06
To: All 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: Note about messages
Greetings and Salutations,
Thought let folk know that some messages get very badly wrapped when
opened. And get very difficult to read.
Could folk perhaps check their right margin settings? Maybe it's the
email thing but I noticed that more folk have their right margins set
smaller than before.
Anon,
Linda
... OS/2 VirusScan: WINDOWS detected. Delete? (Y/Y)
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From: Linda Proulx 12-Nov-99 10:52:25
To: All 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: Margin example
Greetings,
Thought would send an example for my previous post.
> And this line means -
> 1. The SWAP file will be SWAPPER.DAT (the standard name for the file)
and it
> 2. Allow the SWAP file to grow to whatever size it needs until there is
NO LE
> 3. At system boot up, DELETE ANY EXISTING SWAPPER.DAT and allocate an
initial
>
> I saw it, but laying out partitions and drives is not a simple task, you
need t
> Whats probably more important, once you "undo" all the DOS think, you will
find
> As human beings we all like to feel comfortable with things we know and
underst
>
Linda
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 11-Nov-99 18:19:00
To: IAN MOOTE 13-Nov-99 01:05:25
Subj: Get Going
Some senseless babbling from Ian Moote to Mike Ruskai
on 11-11-99 14:06 about Get Going...
MR> This should be taken by you as a big warning flag. How can he be a
MR> guru if he has little experience with OS/2?
MR>
MR> That he's given you fundamentally incorrect information about DOS
MR> should be leading you on a path towards parting company with his
MR> advice, if not his person.
IM> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
IM> I've been kind-of following this thread and have been getting a pretty
IM> good laugh at a lot of the "advice" that Linda has been getting. This,
IM> however, seems to be a bit on the drastic side. Could you clarify this
IM> for me?
It's a slightly humorous way of saying that while his bad advice should
hardly warrant never talking to him again, it should definitely warrant not
taking his advice again.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... I blow my nose at you!
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From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 00:23:00
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 00:23:00
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers
Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 11-12-1999
LP> NIC? Never heard that before. Now be nice the the poor thing.
LP> It's done good service for many years. Unfortunately, technology
LP> has passed it by.
Network Interface Card/Circuit/Connection - the gizmo that hooks onto
the network cable.
LP> WH> Friday but the stuff hit the fan at work today and I doubt I'll get
to
LP> WH> DHL before Monday.
LP>
LP> That's OK. Understand. Sorry about work. Y2K stuff?
LP>
No, more of a combination of fat fingers, fat heads, and users who
think manuals are devices to increase the height of their chairs.
Couple that with type-A managers and they send me in figuring at my age
I can get by with the curmudgeon act without risking their own
'ca-rears'.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Ron Nicholls 13-Nov-99 00:00:00
To: All 13-Nov-99 00:00:00
Subj: Tutorial
I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this
weekend.
Just where is it kept ????
-
-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Ron Nicholls 13-Nov-99 00:00:01
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 13-Nov-99 00:00:01
Subj: 2.1
JP> RN> After disk 4 you reinsert the disks installation and one
JP> RN> before continuing with the rest.
JP> RN> I wondered why the disk images weren't stored in a temp directory to
JP> RN> avoid this?
JP>
JP> Because OS/2 only reaches the stage where it is executing
JP> user-mode programs, such as SYSINST*.EXE, several floppy
JP> discs into the whole process.
JP>
JP>
JP> and that there
JP> may not even *be* a destination disc drive at all since the
JP> hard disc may be blank, requiring FDISK to be run first and
JP> the installation procedure to then be restarted from the
JP> beginning.
JP>
Understood all of that, thanks
-
-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Ron Nicholls 13-Nov-99 00:00:02
To: Lee Aroner 13-Nov-99 00:00:02
Subj: StarOffice
LA> LA> Apparently it changed the assoc for text/html to "Starwriter
LA> LA> HTML
LA> LA> Document", which means that you have to individually change each
LA> LA> and every object, by hand, back to it's desired type. What a
LA> LA> PITA!
LA> LA>
LA> LA> You'd think the developers of a program would want to foster
LA>
In W4
A rexx program in "X:\OS2\setdefv.cmd" may do what you want.
-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Peter Knapper 13-Nov-99 14:59:05
To: Eddy Thilleman 13-Nov-99 03:49:18
Subj: dos games under Warp 4
Hi Eddy,
PK> Actually its even more intelligent than that, if the memory being
PK> swapped out is part of an EXE file that never actually changes while
PK> it is in memory, it doesn't really swap it out, it marks the PAGE as
PK> being swapped and then continues, but when it needs that PAGE in
PK> again, it just loads it directly from the image it stored in the SWAP
PK> file that it wrote when the application was initially loaded!
ET> So you say that it loads pages from the swap file wich
ET> aren't being swapped out before??
There was a fundamental change in the logic of the USE of SWAPPER.DAT
somewhere between V2.0 and V2.11 but I can't remember enough of the details
(it was too long ago) of when all this changed. The main change was that a
PAGE in memory that was from the EXECUTABLE part of a program that NEVER
altered, was written to the SWAP file just ONCE, and subsequently was never
written again. This provided a small performance improvement on systems that
were doing a lot of swapping.
ET> IIRC, OS/2 (at least Warp 4) reloads pages from an
ET> executable file (such as .EXE-, .DLL-files) from that
ET> executable file where it is loaded from again (and not
ET> from the swap file) when it's needed again.
No, you can't load pages DIRECTLY from the .EXE file itself, the .EXE file
format does not contain an EXACT memory print of what that application looks
like once it is loaded into memory. The only place such a print could be taken
is directly from memory AFTER the .EXE is loaded.
Interestingly, I have been doing a bit of work with NT lately, and of course I
started making comparisons.........;-) One of the first things I noticed is
that NT DEFINATELY bogs down on swap file performance once your memory is
over-committed, even if its only by a small amount. On the other hand, the
OS/2 SWAP file can be quite large and yet performance seems to be excellent by
comparison, barely noticeable.
Cheers.............pk.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 09:03:12
To: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 03:49:18
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM
HG>> Could the above also be used to make PCBoard listings?
JP>> From what ? From the 00GLOBAL.TXT file ? The answer is "yes" as
JP>> long as PC-Board understands and processes the FILES.BBS format.
HG> That's the problem, it doesn't.
What does it use, then ?
( I sense an impending challenge to the inhabitants of the OS2REXX echo. (-:
)
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 10:09:19
To: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 03:49:18
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
ML> I think that if you follow the advice of a "guru" who doesn't seem to
ML> know much about OS/2, you are going to be very disappointed with your
ML> OS/2 experience. [...]
HS>> If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and
HS>> possibly why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive,
HS>> since FDISK will refuse to directly do this. The answer to "how" is
HS>> that I used my bag of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton
HS>> Utilities. "Why" is a much longer story.
I think that this is an important point that everybody has missed, and as a
result several people are talking at cross-purposes.
From what he says, it appears that "Linda's guru" has partitioned her disc by
editing the partition table directly, in order to create four type 0X primary
partitions. (The output of PARTLIST, which I am hoping Linda will post, will
confirm whether or not this is actually the case.) This is a *very* unusual
setup, and one that is incompatible with several operating systems. It is
possible to create it using ordinary system tools on some operating systems.
Windows NT 4's Disk Administrator, for example, allows one to create multiple
primary partitions. However, when one tries to do so Disk Administrator will
present a large warning message before allowing one to proceed to the effect
that this is incompatible with several operating systems (It actually mentions
MS-DOS specifically.), and will cause the second and subsequent primary
partitions to be invisible when those operating systems are running.
The conventional setup with multiple primary partitions, for comparison, is to
have only one of the four primary partitions given an 0X type at any one time,
and all of the rest given an unrecognisable type (such as 1X), so that whilst
they are recognised as primary partitions, they are skipped by all operating
systems because they don't have a recognised type. A multiboot utility, such
as IBM's Boot Manager, changes the partition types on the fly so that the
correct primary partition is "visible" (i.e. the operating system will see an
0X type and recognise it) according to which partition is selected from the
boot menu.
My first reaction, as Linda's guru predicted, is to ask "Why?". As you
rightly pointed out, there is very little reason to do what he has done. The
normal way to have multiple operating systems on a single drive is to have
three entries in the primary MBR: Boot Manager (a type 0A entry) to allow
booting from any primary *or extended* partition, a single FATxx or type 07
primary partition (which is used to boot all Microsoft operating systems such
as DOS, DOS-Windows 3.x, DOS-Windows 9x, and Windows NT, using the "play
musical chairs with the config files" facility that Microsoft provides in lieu
of making its operating systems bootable from non-primary partitions), and the
extended partition (a type 05 or 0F entry). Operating systems such as OS/2
Warp, linux, and the various PC unices, which don't *need* to have any
presence on a primary partition *at all* in order to boot (in contrast with
DOS, DOS-Windows 3.x, DOS-Windows 9x, and Windows NT), can then be placed in
logical drives in the extended partition.
I fail to see any reason why one would choose to use the scheme that Linda's
guru has had to craft by hand using a partition table editor. The only
possibility that I can think of is that he is motived by (a) wanting all
operating systems to see all data on the drive and (b) not knowing about Boot
Manager and wants to be able to use the DOS FDISK to switch between partitions
by changing the "active" flag around.
The former point, that he might want all operating systems to see all data on
the drive, I can understand, because with the "usual" scheme for multiple
primary partitions, as many people have rightly pointed out, the space on the
other three primary partitions is always unusuable, since they aren't
"visible". This has to be the case, in order for the correct partition to be
recognised as the primary boot partition (and given the same drive letter, C,
where applicable) by *all* operating systems. But I think that (if this is
the case) he is either unaware, or has forgotten, that not all operating
systems can recognise one another's volume formats *anyway*. Even if he has
all four primary partitions set to type 0x, for example, the *highly
recommended* setup is for OS/2 Warp to have an HPFS volume for its boot
volume, not FAT. In which case other operating systems, such as MS/PC/DR-DOS,
which do not natively understand type 07 partitions at all, will still not be
able to access and use the space. So he hasn't actually gained what he
wanted. The same would be true if, for another example, Linda had chosen to
install linux on one of those primary partitions, since DOS cannot understand
EXT2 either. So I think that the idea that one can keep all space usable by
the mechanism of having multiple "visible" primary partitions simultaneously
is based upon a misconception.
The latter point, that he might want to use the DOS FDISK to multi-boot by
changing the "active" flag around, is countered by the fact that Boot Manager
is a *much* better way of achieving the desired end, of booting from different
partitions, and one that can be used *without* having to hand-craft such a
non-standard partition table. Once Boot Manager is installed, *it* is the
active partition, and stays the active partition all of the time. It then
presents a menu, and allows one to boot from any other partition. Boot
Manager will arrange to modify the partition types in the primary MBR on the
fly to keep the correct primary partition "visible" if one has more than one
primary partition; but generally one doesn't, since Boot Manager has the very
welcome bonus that it can boot from *any* partition, primary or extended, on
*any* disc that is accessible via the BIOS. One doesn't actually *need*,
therefore, multiple primary partitions in the first place, since one can place
OS/2 Warp (or, say, linux) entirely within an extended partition -- on a
secondary or tertiary disc, even -- and have Boot Manager boot it from there.
This also quite neatly addresses the problem of allowing as much space as
possible to be available at any time, too, since if there is only one primary
partition (for DOS, DOS-Windows 3.x, DOS-Windows 9x, and the boot files for
Windows NT) it is always "visible" and there is no need to have "hidden"
primary partitions that cannot be seen. The only space that will be
unavailable is the space in volumes whose filesystem types the currently
booted operating system cannot understand.
I'm hoping that Linda's guru will explain the answer to "Why?".
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 10:29:07
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 03:49:18
Subj: Get Going
AR>> I am curious as to why. What advantage does that have over using
AR>> Logical partitions?
LP> You'll have to ask him. if you really want to know I can give you his
LP> email address. I knew. It has something to do about the weaknesses
LP> inherent in logical partitions vs primarys. But I can't remember
LP> right at the moment.
It seems that several people are asking "Why?". Hand-editing the partition
table into a non-standard form using Norton Utilities isn't necessary at all
for the sort of setup that you appear to be wanting (DOS, OS/2, and possibly
DOS-Windows 9x on a single drive).
The standard configuration, which many people have been using for many years
(and which I have even used myself in the early 1990s), is to have: Boot
Manager, a single primary partition holding DOS, and OS/2 Warp in a logical
drive in an extended partition. If one wants DOS-Windows 9x later, one
installs it on the single primary partition alongside DOS, since that is the
way that it will *try* to install itself, using the standard Microsoft
mechanism of playing musical chairs with the config files on that partition
once one has booted from it.
The one "weakness" of logical drives that most people worry about is that
their drive letters can alter if one adds extra discs with primary partitions
on them. *However*, it is actually very unusual to need to have a secondary
or tertiary disc with a primary partition on it. One won't be able to boot
such a primary partition *without* Boot Manager, since the BIOS only boots
from the first physical disc. And if one *were* using Boot Manager, it
wouldn't need to be a primary partition *anyway*, since Boot Manager can quite
happily boot extended partitions. The consequence of this is that secondary
and tertiary physical discs don't need to contain *any* primary partitions,
and *all* partitions can be logical drives on such discs. As such, the worry
about drive letters of extended partitions on the first physical disc changing
when one installs another physical disc is removed, since it is only *primary*
partitions on such discs that affect the order of drive letter assignments for
logical drives on the first physical disc. Logical drives on secondary and
tertiary physical discs will not affect the drive letter that is assigned to
logical drives on the primary physical disc.
What other "weaknesses" did he have in mind ?
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 10:55:20
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 03:49:18
Subj: FTP & Telenet
LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not what
LP> kind of programs would I need?
The ones supplied as standard with OS/2 Warp 3 Connect and OS/2 Warp 4:
[C:\]which telnet telnetpm ftp ftppm
01-08-1996 06:40:58 pm 183808 0 _____A
C:\TCPIP\BIN\telnet.exe
06-08-1996 02:17:58 pm 199680 0 _____A
C:\TCPIP\BIN\telnetpm.exe
22-07-1996 08:37:58 am 126976 0 _____A C:\TCPIP\BIN\ftp.exe
22-07-1996 08:41:58 am 108060 0 _____A C:\TCPIP\BIN\ftppm.exe
[C:\]
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 11:01:00
To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 03:49:18
Subj: Get Going
AR>> I am curious as to why. What advantage does that have over using
AR>> Logical partitions?
WH> That makes (at least) two of us!
You, I, and Andy have all asked, as predicted, "Why?".
WH> I'd like to see that partition table before I accept 'smoke and mirrors'
WH> after having written both boot code and disk drivers for DOS 6 lo these
WH> many moons past.
I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from the command
prompt when booted from the install discs). I'm curious as to whether he
really has, as implied, hand-edited the partition table to contain multiple
visible primary partitions.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 11:22:14
To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 03:49:18
Subj: Get Going
WH> I'm at least curious as to how OS/2 is gonna react ;-}
I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify Build_Next_VolCB() and
Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-:
By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source), Process_Partition() takes
the first recognisable partition in the MBR that it finds, and
Build_Next_VolCB() only calls it once per MBR.
The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to take the
for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move it into both
Build_Next_VolCB() and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it along the way so that it
doesn't exit prematurely any more by removing the `found' logic, and make
Process_Partition() take the current loop index as an extra parameter instead.
Daniela ?
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From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Win9XX Question
In a message to John Thompson, Linda Proulx wrote re: Win9XX Question
JT> Note that Win98 does not allow you to keep a previous version of
JT> DOS or Windows on the drive.
LP> Why am I not surprised?
If you haven't read Judge Jackson's "Findings of Fact" in the MS
vs DOJ trial, it gives a quite lucid analysis of why MS made the
design and marketing decisions they did with Win95 and Win98.
Basically, MS wanted people to migrate to the latest version of
Windows and IE to maintain the "applications barrier to entry" in
the PC software market and thereby maintain their monopoly
position.
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To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: FTP & Telenet
In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: FTP & Telenet
LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not what
LP> kind of programs would I need?
OS/2 comes with stand-alone telnet and ftp clients (also servers,
if you have "Connect" or Warp v4). Netscape can handle ftp on
its own, and will spawn a telnet session if it needs to do so.
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From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00
To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Manual?
In a message to HOLGER GRANHOLM, MIKE RUSKAI wrote re: Manual?
MR> I'd agree with Warp 4, but the Warp 3 manual is fairly thick.
MR>
MR> Though it's still no match for what OS/2 2.1 came with. I actually read
MR> that sucker before installing.
Heh. I remember when I got Warp v3 I opened the box and thought
"where's the manual?" But it's still better than the docs that
came with Win98: belaboring the obvious, and then saying if you
run into any problems, don't call Microsoft, call whoever sold
you the PC.
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From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Peer to Peer
In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Peer to Peer
LP> Just to confirm that no peer-to-peer was really created for Warp
LP> Connect.
Warp v3 "Connect" includes IBM Peer Services for OS/2, which will
allow OS/2 to work on a Windows peer network.
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From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Vmodem
In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Vmodem
LP> Been following the posts & hoped to catch up on what Vmodem was but
LP> haven't been able to. Is it a protocol, etc, or something like a
LP> fossil?
It's a virtual modem driver that lets serial communication
programs (ie terminal programs, BBS's, etc.) function on a tcp/ip
network. It's not a fossil but the package does include a
special DOS fossil driver that can work with the SIO.SYS comm
driver if your DOS BBS program expects to use a fossil.
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From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Network
In a message to John Thompson, Linda Proulx wrote re: Network
LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed the
LP> minimum date is somewhere in 1990.
Do you see the "SYS2025" or "SYS2027" errors when you boot from
the install diskettes or try to install?
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From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
In a message to Linda Proulx, Murray Lesser wrote re: Get an OS/2 guru
HS>This is a common belief, but wrong, at least for DOS and Win95.
>These 2 OS's do see all the primary partitions on a single hard
>drive. Your machine is living proof (at least for DOS). I can't
>swear to it, but I'm almost sure that OS/2 would also see them all.
ML> Taken in context, the unattributed paragraph is entirely correct. As
ML> I remember the original, the topic being discussed was Boot Manager. If
ML> all your bootable partitions are primary partitions on the same drive,
ML> they all have the same partition letter (usually C: on the first HD,
ML> since neither DOS nor Windows can boot from any other partition). As a
ML> consequence, none of the booted systems can see any other bootable
ML> partition because you can have only one active C: drive on a system at a
ML> time. (Your guru should have known this!) With this exception, in
ML> general, OS/2 can see all primary partitions and extended partitions,
ML> but may not be able to read them. OTOH, neither DOS nor Win95 can see
ML> partitions formatted HPFS, whether primary or extended. This is not a
ML> valid reason not to use HPFS for big partitions; perhaps it is a valid
ML> reason not to boot DOS nor Win95 :-).
IIRC, newer versions of Windows (including NT) disregard the PC
standard of only allowing one primary partition to be visible at
a time. Therefore Windows can see multiple primaries on a single
device. Whether or not this is a good depends on your point of
view, I guess. OS/2 has held to the standard of not seeing
primary partitions that are not marked as active, so OS/2 will
not see your inactive primary partitions. I believe the PARTFLT
driver can be used to work around this, if you really want to do
so.
HS>If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and
>possibly why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive,
>since FDISK will refuse to directly do this. The answer to "how" is
>that I used my bag of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton
>Utilities. "Why" is a much longer story.
ML> Do not ever, ever, ever, use Norton Utilities (or any other
ML> DOS/Windows disk-fixer utility) on a partition (or drive) containing
ML> OS/2 files, UNLESS you are really an expert on the OS/2 internal file
ML> structures and know exactly what you are doing!!!
ML>
ML> At the worst, you will lose your desktop, which is mainly stored as
ML> OS/2 Extended Attributes. The FAT file system used by OS/2 is "backward
ML> compatible" to that used by DOS/Windows to the extent that it can read
ML> DOS FAT files, but the reverse is not quite true. OS/2 FAT uses two
ML> "reserved" bytes in the DOS FAT directory structure to point to the
ML> "attached" file that contains the Extended Attributes belonging to that
ML> "owning" file. OS/2 also has a "dummy" file (EA DATA. FS) in the root
ML> directory of any FAT partition containing EAs, that is used to keep
ML> track of which portions of the physical file space on that partition
ML> hold EAs (this file is not normally displayed by an OS/2 FAT "DIR"
ML> command; "DIR /A" will display it). DOS has no provisions to see this
ML> file (note the "illegal" file name). A DOS "drive fixer" utility may
ML> wipe out all your EAs while "fixing" what it found to be a "corrupted"
ML> directory :-(. At best, some DOS "defragger" utilities (that recognize
ML> OS/2's existence) don't wipe out the EA "files" but leave them where
ML> they were, rather than moving them to follow their "owner" files in
ML> physical sequence; thereby reducing performance when reading files
ML> containing EAs. This would be especially noticeable when the system is
ML> loading a large REXX program.
And yet another reason *NOT* to install OS/2 to a FAT partition.
HPFS has no need for cobble-jobs like "EA DATA. SF" to handle
extended attributes.
ML> Incidentally, IMO, it is very poor practice to install more primary
ML> partitions than are needed, because this unnecessarily limits
ML> flexibility for future changes.
Yes, save the primary partitions for those inflexible systems
that absolutely require them; ie, Microsoft operating systems
and IBM's Boot Manager.
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From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: OS/2 on old clunkers
In a message to Will Honea, Linda Proulx wrote re: OS/2 on old clunkers
WH> Linda, I mentioned in another post about booting from floppy to test
WH> drive configuration. If you have at least EGA (preferably VGA) video
WH> on the '89 vintage machine try booting it from the Warp 3 install
WH> floppies. I had several 85 - 90 motherboards which were quite happy
WH> with Warp 3 despite rumors to the contrary.
LP> 'Unleashed' says no. Something about the AMI bios. And the Laser has
LP> some odd engineering.
Well, like Will says, boot from the Install diskettes and see
what happens. You can abort the installation after you've booted
if you don't want to install right away, but at least you'll know
if you have this purported BIOS problem. I'm afraid there's no
other way, and you're just wasting your time worrying until then.
LP> If I do, will have to use the Red because the old
LP> unit has no CDROM. And will lose the Connect feature.
The CD's have a utility that can create diskettes you can install
form. This utility works in both DOS and OS/2, so if you have
another machine with a CD drive you can make the diskettes on
that machine and install them on the other machine. That's how I
installed OS/2 on my laptop, which lacks a CD drive. Even the
Connect network and tcp/ip support packages can be installed from
diskettes in this way.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 12-Nov-99 18:06:00
To: WILL HONEA 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Missing Window control..
Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai
on 11-11-99 21:10 about Missing Window control.....
WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to PETER KNAPPER on 11-10-1999
MR> I am using FP10 right now, with no such problems (or any others).
WH> Mike, was the screwed-up directory attribute in fp10 and 11 or was it
WH> unique to 11? That's the one that made updated directories invisible
WH> to some programs (like Post Road Mailer).
I haven't run into anything like what you describe, but since I'm not
entirely certain what you're asking, I can't say whether or not the problem
exists. I haven't had any programs have trouble seeing directories which
have had their contents changed, if that's close to what you're getting at.
I've also not used PRM for quite some time, due to a problem that no other
program experienced, which they couldn't duplicate, much less fix.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 12-Nov-99 18:11:00
To: WILL HONEA 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Vmodem
Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai
on 11-11-99 21:55 about Vmodem...
WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX on 11-11-1999
MR> Vmodem stands for Virtual modem.
WH> That line popped up an interesting thought: what would happen if you
WH> pointed a DOS program (specifically TurboTax) to Vmodem and told it to
WH> use a dialup connection instead of an existing inet connection???
WH> I never did get the TT online stuff to work right - kept giving me all
WH> sorts of socket-related errors - but I never thought to try this
WH> little trick. Anybody tried it? If not, maybe I'll give it a shot
WH> come tax time this year. This could be interesting...
Having never used TurboTax, I can only suggest that based on what you're
saying, it'd depend entirely on whether or not the connection process is
different from dial-up or explicitly using the Internet.
If it does everything the same, and considers the telephone line or TCP/IP
stack as an abstraction layer, then it should work.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... Cats know how we feel ... They just don't give a damn.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 12-Nov-99 18:13:00
To: LINDA PROULX 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Re: Vmodem
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to David Randall
on 11-12-99 01:41 about Re: Vmodem...
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
DR> It's part of the SIO comm driver package. It allows you to setup a
DR> virtual modem. This tricks DOS comm programs into thinking that
DR> they're using a real modem on a dial-up line even tho they're being
DR> used over the internet. This enables me to use Telix for a telnet
DR> client and to use a mailer to connect with another mailer over the net
DR> for my echomail feed.
LP> Sound like fun. So that it looks like I just dialed up a board here
LP> but instead is connecting to another over the I net. If I ever Inet,
LP> how does one get the driver?
The shareware version of SIO is available all over. There's also a beta
for a new version, which hasn't been updated in some time, unfortunately.
To register, you can call Ray Gwinn's BBS (the author), via phone or
telnet, and use a credit card.
Without registering, the released version is limited to 4 ports, including
Vmodem ports. Registration cost varies by the number of ports. The beta
version has no set limit on the number of Vmodem ports, but it may still
have a limit on physical ports.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... But how do we know your the REAL Angel of Death?
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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara 13-Nov-99 04:55:23
To: All 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: MsgReader
Hi!
I want to know the urls to get all these cool msgreaders.
I may convert from bw pkt for anything of it?
These msgreaders accept bw pkt for reading?
I dont like qwk pkts.
== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br ==
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From: Andy Roberts 12-Nov-99 11:26:00
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Family Tree
Linda Proulx,
11-Nov-99 20:37:53, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
Subject: Re: Get Going
AR>> Family Tree for OS/2 which she saw I had.
LP> Hmm. Is it shareware? Thinking of doing that kind of project
LP> actually. Didn't know there was an OS/2 version.
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Ftree12F.Zip 08-06-98 1,242,593
FamilyTree v1.2f, 32-bit genealogy program for OS/2, PM graphical
application, multithreaded, Drap&Drop, Rexx. Put all related persons in
one family tree and work with your data by using the mouse and opening
context menus. Shareware DM 20,-- / US $ 15, Author Nils Meier
Internet: nmeier@vossnet.de
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The author has shifted his efforts toward a Java version.
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Ftree-Java-0_0_20.Zip 08-16-99 426,217
Family Tree 0.0.20 for Java
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Program/2225/
Ftree-Java-Manual.Zip 03-31-98 205,880
Family Tree Manual for Java
Swing11.Zip 08-02-99 1,621,146
Java Foundation Classes (Swing)
Until lately Java only provided AWT (that's Abstract Windowing Toolkit)
- a class library that enables the devloper to design forms and
window-elements. The visible components are handled by the underlying
platform but are very simple and not sufficient for serious application
programming. That's why Sun has written a new class-library, which
codename is Swing. It is provided here as a single .zip-file (containing
swing.jar). Required for Family Tree for Java ftree-java-0_0_20.zip
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Program/2225/
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Those are all that is needed to run Family Tree for Java on OS/2 or Linux or
WinXX or MAC.
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Ftree-Api-0_0_8.Zip 08-16-98 171,439
Family Tree 0.0.8 API for Java
(All classes of Family Tree are described here)
Ftree-Applet.Zip 03-26-99 196,784
Family Tree Applet Archive for Java
Ftree-Src-0_0_20.Zip 08-15-99 392,915
Family Tree 0.0.20 Source for Java
Ftree_En.Zip 12-14-98 7,100
English Resources for Java
(Download this if you want to create your own localized version)
Resedit-1_0_0.Zip 08-28-99 19,010
ResEdit 1.0.0 Resources Editor for ftree-java-0_0_20.zip
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All those will be on the CD I make.
There is also a very slow Mailing List:
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Please consider joining that mailing list so all of us can join the ideas
and contribution of other interested in Family Tree for Java.
To join simply send a message to
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and in the body of the message put the following two words :
subscribe ftree
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From: Andy Roberts 12-Nov-99 13:19:09
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Re: Get Going
Linda Proulx,
11-Nov-99 20:37:53, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
Subject: Re: Get Going
LP> I remember overhearing a word processing student wondering why in
LP> the H she had to learn about directories, subdirectories & basic
LP> DOS. All she wants to know is how to use the wordprocessing
LP> program. Sigh.
I exposed my wife to computers a couple of decades ago with an Epson QX-10
and ValDocs which had a GUI (better than WinXX has now) and allowed long file
names, which she got addicted to. And she uses MAC and WinXX as a secretary
for the school where she has been working almost that long. To this day she
doesn't have the slightest idea what a subdirectory, file extension, or
command line is. I have setup all the apps she uses (even in her office) to
default to looking for and saving files in her personal subdirectories. And
in some cases default to opening the last file she used automatically or at
least make that the default selection, so that she doesn't get confused by
all the other files that may appear. She gets along pretty well with Quicken
and her MAC word processor on a daily basis. And she no longer calls for
help with the monthly reports although yearly reports are another matter. If
a new procedure requires more than 3 steps or 50 words to describe, then I
type it out and send it to her via Fax, so she can read it while we talk on
the phone. If the new procedure requires more than 6 steps, then I might as
well go into her office and do it for her, or she asks the school's computer
coordinator to do it for her. She doesn't like PCs. She rarely if ever uses
the F1-key online help. And she despises software upgrades that change the
appearance or location of features she did know how to find and use.
Here at home if I make the mistake of leaving a window open with 1 of my
apps, then she will slam it closed without saving nor exiting politely. <g>
Which considering how I string several prgms together to toss/read/pack msgs,
does once in a while annoy me. But we rarely ever get into any argument
about computers. We are not at all alike, we complement each other, in that
I do the things she doesn't and she does many things I don't like to do. She
is great in the kitchen and takes care of her herb garden and the grand
children love her. And of course I love her in spite of or maybe even
because of her lack of technical awareness.
Obviously I have written a lot of prgms to automate things and make them very
simple for her to interact with. That includes an computerized X-10 home
automation and security system with about 100 devices, including an automatic
entrance gate, all of which she controls with an RF remote control with 8
buttons. Actually she doesn't need the RF remote control for many features,
since the computer system would watch her and do things like turn the lights
on before she needed them and turn them off again after she left and even
open the gate before she got to it, wait for her to drive through, then close
it again, without her ever pressing any button. This X-10 system has a
fairly high level of AI due to extensive If-Then-Else programming. It has
it's own monitor which is dark most of the time, yet automatically pops up
many different displays of layouts of our property and buildings with
different colors etc, depending on exactly what the system detected or is
doing. That's fine for seeing even across the living room. But I also tied
the system into a PA so it would let me know what was happening while I am in
another room or outside. Just for the fun of it I programmed it to talk by
turning on the stereo and playing WAV files that I pre-recorded. Actually it
has a pretty good vocabulary since it can combine words from many different
files and string them together into a sentence. I had it doing things like
turning on the lights and raising the dimmer and telling her what time it was
(repeatedly in 2-5 minute intervals if she didn't get up) as an alarm clock
in the morning. It would even tell her good-bye as she left for work while I
continued to sleep. And of course it automatically re-arms the alarm system
after the gate is closed and she should be long gone. Now if the motion
detectors thinks there is an intruder, the lights and some other stuff start
to do some rather strange things, that are intended to scare off the intruder
before they get a chance to get near enough to do any damage. And it has
many different stages of alarm and reaction depending on if the intruder is
on the perimeter or continues to get nearer or tries to enter the house or
other buildings or actually gets inside the house. This alarm system covers
an area of almost 1/2 a mile, so I get about 2 to 5 minutes warning in most
cases. Rather fancy door bell most of the time. Our cats like it. But 1
day my wife forgot something and decided to come back to get it after she
left for work, and she forgot to dis-arm the alarm system. So the computer
had some rather "choice words" for her and kept flashing the lights on and
off so that she could hardly see to get back into the house. Plus since the
alarm system knew it was not just our cats, it triggered a 125dB siren, which
is at or above the human threshold of pain and located right at the front
door, where my wife was fiddling with her keys in the dark. Well at least it
didn't turn on the sprinklers, so my wife was not all wet when she finally
did get in. But she was steaming! And wouldn't you know it, the computer
didn't even say it was sorry. <G>
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Larry Snider 12-Nov-99 19:22:12
To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Vmodem
Hi Will,
11-Nov-99 21:55:00, Will Honea wrote to Mike Ruskai
Subject: Vmodem
wh> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX on 11-11-1999
MR>> Vmodem stands for Virtual modem.
wh> That line popped up an interesting thought: what would happen if
wh> you pointed a DOS program (specifically TurboTax) to Vmodem and
wh> told it to use a dialup connection instead of an existing inet
wh> connection???
From VMODEM.TXT:
====================================
WHAT IS VMODEM
Vmodem is a software implementation of a modem, referred to as a Virtual
Modem. Basically, it attempts to fake out other software (like terminal
programs) into believing they are accessing a real modem. Vmodem will turn
any Terminal into a Telnet Client, and any BBS into a Telnet Server.
====================================
So, if you need a program to access a web site - no good. If you're trying
to access a dial-up connection - no good. But, if TT has a telnet
server...can do.
Larry Snider
Larry.Snider@attglobal.net
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From: Larry Snider 12-Nov-99 19:36:15
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Hi Linda,
12-Nov-99 01:38:53, Linda Proulx wrote to David Randall
Subject: Re: FTP & Telenet
lp> Greetings and Salutations,
LP>> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not
LP>> what kind of programs would I need?
DR>> If you use the SIO comm drivers, you can setup a virtual modem
DR>> and use any DOS terminal program for a telnet client. I've used
DR>> Telix and Front Door in this manner. Or get a copy of the OS/2
DR>> version of ZOC.
lp> SIO means? Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number? How
lp> does one use a Front Door without being a BBS?
SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by Ray
Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years.
Larry Snider
Larry.Snider@attglobal.net
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From: Andy Roberts 12-Nov-99 21:10:29
To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
Jack Stein,
11-Nov-99 11:56:14, Jack Stein wrote to Andy Roberts
JS> Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Linda Proulx:
Subject: Get an OS/2 guru
ML>> I am breaking in to what is really none of my business,
AR>> That's fine with me. Funny how this thread has suddenly inspired
AR>> that response. I was just telling my sister-in-law that I'm
AR>> going to learn not to stick my nose in other people's bee's wax.
JS> Knock that off Andy, we demand you stick your nose in as often as
JS> possible. We all have to, thats how we learn, and teach, and learn
JS> some more...
Then you better keep your mind open to a Y2K solution for your Fidonet setup.
Or we will all have to gang up on you and send you E-Mail File Attaches of
alternative software.
JS> Your input, along with the rest of us is what makes OS/2 useable.
Just remember that "us" includes you. So if you drop out, then we will drag
you back in here. <g>
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Linda Proulx 12-Nov-99 21:21:17
To: All 13-Nov-99 07:09:18
Subj: Guess What
Greetings Everyone,
Guess what. Decided to install on the clunker. If it hadn't been for a
bad disk 6 would be doing the tutorial right now.
Went through all the startable, installable, etc. Finally figured it
out.
By the way, guys, OS/2 sees everything. Had no problem with the
partitions. The clunker is set up the same way as the Big One.
We will see how long the clunker works on Warp but it went throught the
install process until the bad disk.
Big sigh.
Linda
Anon,
Linda
... 2000 years ago, Egyptians worshipped cats. The cats never forgot it.
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From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:16:00
To: HERBERT ROSENAU 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
Hey HERBERT ROSENAU, what's up?
HERBERT ROSENAU was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS
dead.!
HR>>> Go to ebay.com. There you can find OS/2 WARP 4 for less than $50.
AS>> I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website
AS>> you're talkign about, is that used or not? I'd rather prefer not
AS>> used.
HR> It's used. It is an auction side. You my find some interesting things -
HR> and
HR> OS/2 WARP is there highly interesting!
Hmm... I was looking on there, but I could only find Warp 3, never saw Warp
4 on there :(
HR> To become internet connectivity you have to buy at least WARP 3 Conncet.
HR> Because WARP 3 red/blue has only a stripped tcp/ip 2.0 - and will never
HR> WARP Connect and WARP 4 has tcp/ip 4.0 and there are Fixpacks to make it
Hmm, my choice was the latest version of OS/2, right now Warp 4, you know
if there'll be any other ones out later on?
HR> So if you'll have actual Fixpacks, modern tcp/ip with fixes..... you
HR> would buy
HR> a (used) OS/2 WARP 4.
AS>> And I don't have a CD rom drive either.
HR> Do you like to handle with more than 30 diskettes to install an OS?. Plus
HR> approximate 20 diskettes for a Fixpack + .....?
Not really, but do I have a choice?
HR> On ebay you my find a used CDR for a few $.
It's still expensive, plus the shipping and all that stuff, trust me, I'm
not rich enough.
HR> On other hand if you have got a friend with a CDR you my copy all needed
HR> diskettes from CD to diskettes. On each WARP CD is a .cmd (startable
HR> under
HR> OS/2) and a .bat (for DOS systems) for copying the dikette images to
HR> diskettes.
That could be an alternative.
HR> Hardware requirement for
HR> WARP 3 WARP 4
HR> CPU I386 I486 (creeps on 386 too)
HR> Memory 12 MB 16 MB (with Voice Type 24 or more)
HR> Disk 250 MB 400 MB (including swapper.dat)
That's it, now I can forget about getting Warp 3 or Warp 4.
I'll stay with the ever crashing OS/2 2.1 :(
----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----
■ TerMail/QWK ■ Kewlness Sir.Al@Milkyway.canbbs.net :P BC
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From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:21:00
To: EDDY THILLEMAN 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
Hey EDDY THILLEMAN, what's up?
EDDY THILLEMAN was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS
dead.!
ET> Hello Albert,
ET> 04 Nov 99 16:33, Albert Sodyl wrote to HERBERT ROSENAU:
AS>> I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website
AS>> you're talkign about, is that used or not? I'd rather prefer not
AS>> used. And I don't have a CD rom drive either.
ET> A cdrom drive and a cdrom makes it far easier and faster to
ET> install OS/2.
I understand, but it's not like I have a choice, I'd love to have a CD-ROM
drive.
ET> Warp 3 can be made Y2000 proof with a recent fixpack, the latest
ET> fixpack for Warp 3 is fp 40 or 41 (I think). Warp 4 lives longer.
I'll try to get Warp 4 if I can :)
----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----
■ TerMail/QWK ■ What am I supposed to do with shareware? BC
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From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:23:00
To: GREGORY URBAN 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
Hey GREGORY URBAN, what's up?
GREGORY URBAN was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS
dead.!
GU>> How does $35 + shipping sound for Warp 3 Connect on CD-ROM, used
GU>> but with all documentation?
AS>> I can get Warp 3 red box for $30 CAN (canadian). Is yours in CAN
AS>> or US dollars?
GU> Um...US dollars. Mine is blue box...
Ahh, thanks, but after checking on OS/2, I've decided to stay with 2.1 for
now, until I get a better computer and then I'll upgrade to Warp 4, so I
won't need Warp 3, but thanks anyhow!
GU>> If interested drop me an email at kragmeiser@fast.net
AS>> I don't have the internet... :(
GU> Ahh...
I might be able to send internet e-mail though.
----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----
■ TerMail/QWK ■ So how old where you again? :P BC
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From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:26:00
To: LINDA PROULX 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: FTP & Telenet
Hey LINDA PROULX, what's up?
LINDA PROULX was heard grumbling this to ALL about FTP & Telenet!
LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not
LP> what kind of programs would I need?
Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest version of ZOC
and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better in my opinion.
----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----
■ TerMail/QWK ■ .../----\... II.?.II ~~`~~ ..''`` :) (: BC
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From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:29:00
To: DAITENGU 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
Hey DAITENGU , what's up?
DAITENGU was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS dead.!
AS>> I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website
AS>> you're talkign about, is that used or not? I'd rather prefer not
AS>> used. And I don't have a CD rom drive either.
D> Son, you need a new computer :) .. E-bay (http://www.ebay.com) is
D> an online auction ... most likely the product is used, but
D> sometimes you can find it new...
I know I do, but I'm not exactly rich. I could hardly afford this 486 a
while back... much better compared to my last 286. I'd rather buy
something local, I don't like used stuff :(
Like this used computer, a piece of junk :(
----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>----
■ TerMail/QWK ■ ---<<<<*((((((YOU ARE FEELING SLEEPY)))))*>>>>--- BC
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:11:08
To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
JS> I feel semi-confidant that FIDO will take a BIG hit, but if it stays
JS> around a while, it will start to grow after Y2K, it won't continue to
JS> shrink if it survives. Thats my biggest motivation to get things
JS> working, mainly to help keep it alive, rather than help kill it:-)
And I applaud that.
Anon,
Linda
... Not tonight, dear. I have a modem.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:16:04
To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: Re: Installation problem
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
JS> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Nick Andre:
LP> I just read somthing that said the installer may have to
LP> delete or rename autoexec.bak files. Is that there? Check
LP> for the backups of autoexec/config files.
JS> Autoexec.bat is a DOS file, not an OS/2 file. OS/2 does not create an
JS> automatic executable file on install. If one is needed later, it uses
JS> it's own auto executable called STARTUP.CMD.
True. But according to 'Unleashed' if there is a .bak or config
backup dos file, it can stop the original install. That's what it says.
Anon,
Linda
... Not tonight, dear. I have a modem.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:21:04
To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: Re: Get an OS/2 guru
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jack Stein wrote to Andy Roberts <=-
JS> Your input, along with the rest of us is what makes OS/2 useable. Even
JS> Linda helps us, as her questions prompt others to speak their mind, and
JS> everyone can learn from that stuff, including those doing the talking.
Well thank you for the appreciation 8-)
Anon,
Linda
... 2000 years ago, Egyptians worshipped cats. The cats never forgot it.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:25:09
To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jack Stein wrote to Andy Roberts <=-
JS> I'm also curious as to how he gets DOS DOS/WIN to see more than one
JS> primary partition at a time? This would _seem_ impossible if all on
JS> the same drive with or without Norton Utilities. Then I'd also want to
JS> know the _why_ he did it that way to beging with. Very curious, and
JS> interesting. I hope she shares the info with us.
He's got a heavy work load at the moment, but he said he was going to
put a post together about it. Will probably send it to me & I will post
it. But will be longer than a couple of days, folks.
JS> From her questions, I'd think she should be able to do it herself, with
JS> a little advice here and there that we all need from time to time.
JS> Most of it is pretty simple, since I've been successful.
Thanks for the confidence.
Anon,
Linda
... 2000 years ago, Egyptians worshipped cats. The cats never forgot it.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:31:00
To: All 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: Clunker update
Greetings,
Got it installed on the clunker.
Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, and won't read the DOS C drive but
has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install). Lost my inport
mouse & hung playing a game. And want to see the DOS C. And it doesn't
have an Epson FX-80 printer driver.
But then it only has 6 MB & I admit I did not try to make the swap file
on the 3rd partition. And it has the old bios.
Multiboot works fine, though.
Anon,
Linda
... Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting Vedeks...
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From: James Mckenzie 12-Nov-99 19:12:14
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:21:18
Subj: FTP & Telenet
Hello Linda!
12 Nov 99 01:38, Linda Proulx wrote to David Randall:
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP>> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If
LP>> not what kind of programs would I need?
DR>> If you use the SIO comm drivers, you can setup a virtual modem
DR>> and use any DOS terminal program for a telnet client. I've used
DR>> Telix and Front Door in this manner. Or get a copy of the OS/2
DR>> version of ZOC.
LP> SIO means?
Serial Input/Output. They are replacement drivers created by Ray Guinn for
the COMM.SYS AND VCOMM.SYS drivers included with OS/2. The original drivers
were MUCH better than those included with OS/2. The SIO package includes
several programs, one being VMODEM which can create a virtual modem connection
for programs such as FrontDoor or Zap-O-Comm (ZOC).
LP> Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number?
Should be Y2K compliant. The latest version is 3.12 here. I don't use the
program and cannot due to the authors "anti-combat" clause.
LP> How does one use a Front Door without being a BBS?
Don't know the answer to this one, but I suspect that FrontDoor has a
terminal
mode, much like LORA (the BBS software used here) does.
James
... "Win95" is a WARNING label!
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From: David Randall 13-Nov-99 09:02:23
To: James Mckenzie 13-Nov-99 16:28:03
Subj: FTP & Telenet
James Mckenzie wrote in a message to David Randall:
DR> Netscape will connect to most ftp sites, but I prefer to use
DR> the Win3.1 version of CuteFTP.
JM> Why? There are a couple of good OS/2 graphical FTP programs,
JM> and a couple of command line programs. I prefer ncftp, which
JM> is a port of a UNIX program of the same name. Saves the sites
JM> and directories I've visited.
I haven't tried ncftp, but I have tried several of the graphical OS/2 ftp
programs. CuteFTP is still my first choice. It's also the only Windows
program I ever use on my home computers.
... Coming soon: EDLIN for Windows 98 and OS/2
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From: David Randall 13-Nov-99 09:11:26
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 16:28:03
Subj: FTP & Telenet
Linda Proulx wrote in a message to David Randall:
LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If
LP> not what kind of programs would I need?
DR> If you use the SIO comm drivers, you can setup a virtual modem
DR> and use any DOS terminal program for a telnet client. I've
DR> used Telix and Front Door in this manner. Or get a copy of
DR> the OS/2 version of ZOC.
LP> SIO means?
From the FILE_ID.DIZ:
Ray Gwinn's comm drivers for OS/2,
SIO.SYS and VSIO.SYS are replacements of the
OS2 communications drivers COM.SYS and
VCOM.SYS which come with OS/2. VX00.SYS
provides FOSSIL and virtual 16550 support
for DOS programs SIO can be ordered to
supporting any number of ports. Vmodem now
has both inbound and outbound Telnet.
Highly recommended, the first OS/2 shareware that I registered.
LP> Is Zoc Y2Ked?
I'm not sure, perhaps someone else in here knows.
LP> How does one use a Front Door without being a BBS?
Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can choose to use
either or both.
... Support your Post Office; waste 33 cents on a letter to Congress.
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From: David Randall 13-Nov-99 09:26:13
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 16:28:03
Subj: Vmodem
Linda Proulx wrote in a message to David Randall:
DR> It's part of the SIO comm driver package. It allows you to
DR> setup a virtual modem. This tricks DOS comm programs into
DR> thinking that they're using a real modem on a dial-up line
DR> even tho they're being used over the internet. This enables
DR> me to use Telix for a telnet client and to use a mailer to
DR> connect with another mailer over the net for my echomail feed.
LP> Sound like fun. So that it looks like I just dialed up a
LP> board here but instead is connecting to another over the I
LP> net. If I ever Inet, how does one get the driver?
It should be on any bbs with an OS/2 file area. On the internet, any of the
OS/2 file depositories like Hobbes will have it. Search for SIO*.*. I
believe the latest version is 1.60. Most folks find that it's worth getting
even without using vmodem.
... Support OS/2 - Show Windows 95 to your friends!
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From: Roy J. Tellason 13-Nov-99 11:54:12
To: Larry Snider 13-Nov-99 16:28:03
Subj: DAT
Larry Snider wrote in a message to Francois Thunus:
LS> SCSI tape support is the only type of tape support that tar
LS> supports under OS/2. I assume that it's that way on all OS's.
Nope. I've got QIC-02 support under Linux working here...
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 13-Nov-99 00:18:00
To: EDDY THILLEMAN 13-Nov-99 16:28:03
Subj: Win9XX Question
Some senseless babbling from Eddy Thilleman to Mike Ruskai
on 11-11-99 10:52 about Win9XX Question...
ET> Hello Mike,
ET> 09 Nov 99 17:32, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX:
MR> So, to install Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need to give up DOS, since
MR> it'll overwrite it when installing.
ET> Have you never heard of different boot partitions??
That'd require a different primary partition on the boot drive, which means
shifting drive C:'s, something I never recommend.
MR> The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like
MR> System Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files of
MR> the operating systems it supports. It allows you to install any
MR> number of OS's on the same partition, and choose which to boot at
MR> startup.
ET> So System Commander does something like OS/2 Warp 4 does with dual
ET> boot when a DOS version and OS/2 Warp 4 are both installed on the same
ET> primary C: FAT-partition? Can't System Commander use different boot
ET> partitions (or you didn't mention that)?
Yes, and yes. However, I'm trying not to complicate the issue by
introducing a bad partitioning scheme.
ET> IMHO, OS/2 should be installed only on a HPFS partition. Leave FAT
ET> partitions to real plain DOS.
I won't argue with that.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 14:00:00
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 13-Nov-99 14:00:00
Subj: Get Going
Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea on 11-11-1999
JP> WH> I'm at least curious as to how OS/2 is gonna react ;-}
JP>
JP> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify
JP> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD .
JP> (-:
JP>
JP> By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source),
JP> Process_Partition() takes the first recognisable partition
JP> in the MBR that it finds, and Build_Next_VolCB() only calls
JP> it once per MBR.
JP>
JP> The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to
JP> take the for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move
JP> it into both Build_Next_VolCB() and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it
JP> along the way so that it doesn't exit prematurely any more by
JP> removing the `found' logic, and make Process_Partition() take the
JP> current loop index as an extra parameter instead.
JP>
JP> Daniela ?
I did something similar when I wrote a DOS driver to support more than
2 drives and I seem to recall some nasty problems with it. It's been
several years so I don't remember the details but a glance back at the
code shows I pulled it out.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 14:06:01
To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 14:06:01
Subj: Missing Window control..
MIKE RUSKAI wrote to WILL HONEA on 11-12-1999
MR> I haven't run into anything like what you describe, but since I'm
MR> not entirely certain what you're asking, I can't say whether or not
MR> the problem exists. I haven't had any programs have trouble seeing
MR> directories which have had their contents changed, if that's close
MR> to what you're getting at.
MR>
MR> I've also not used PRM for quite some time, due to a problem that
MR> no other program experienced, which they couldn't duplicate, much
MR> less fix.
This got several programs. Basically, when IBM started to maintain
the archive bit on directory entries programs that didn't properly
account for the archive bit would not see directories where the archive
bit was set. It wasn't an IBM error per se, just laziness and sloppy
coding on the part of some programmers but the result was reasonably
wide spread. It was enough of a nuisance that I ran a script every few
days to reset all the archive bits on all directories since I could
never tell what program would mess up next. FP 12 reverted to the
early behavior.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 14:18:02
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 14:18:02
Subj: Clunker update
Linda Proulx wrote to All on 11-13-1999
LP> Greetings,
LP>
LP> Got it installed on the clunker.
LP>
LP> Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, and won't read the DOS C
LP> drive but has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install).
LP> Lost my inport mouse & hung playing a game. And want to see the DOS
LP> C. And it doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver.
You're gonna hear this a lot: One visible primary partition per drive
is visible (I told you so!). As for the printer, it will work as Epson
Generic 9-pin, Epson MX80 9-pin, Epson Generic pass-thru, or even the
IBM NULL printer.
LP> But then it only has 6 MB & I admit I did not try to make the swap
LP> file on the 3rd partition. And it has the old bios.
LP>
LP> Multiboot works fine, though.
Sounds like your in business - despite what Unleashed says about the
BIOS. You'll have to select the right driver for your brand of inport
mouse in all likelihood. 6 meg will be slow, tortuously so with
networking installed.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 14:39:03
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 14:39:03
Subj: Guess What
Linda Proulx wrote to All on 11-12-1999
LP> Greetings Everyone,
LP>
LP> Guess what. Decided to install on the clunker. If it hadn't been
LP> for a bad disk 6 would be doing the tutorial right now.
LP>
LP> Went through all the startable, installable, etc. Finally figured
LP> it out.
LP>
LP> By the way, guys, OS/2 sees everything. Had no problem with the
LP> partitions. The clunker is set up the same way as the Big One.
I thought your earlier message said it couldn't see the DOS
partition???
BootManager will see everything, so will FDISK. The usual meaning of
'seeing' a drive means that you can access data on the drive - can you
do a DIR of the DOS drive now?
LP> We will see how long the clunker works on Warp but it went
LP> throught the install process until the bad disk.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Scott Jones 12-Nov-99 23:39:01
To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: Re: Missing Window control..
-=> On 11 Nov 99 21:10:04, Will Honea wrote to Mike Ruskai <=-
MR> I am using FP10 right now, with no such problems (or any others).
WH> Mike, was the screwed-up directory attribute in fp10 and 11 or was it
WH> unique to 11? That's the one that made updated directories invisible
WH> to some programs (like Post Road Mailer).
The problem with the archive attribute being set on directories was not
present in 10, introduced in 11, and fixed in 12.
Scott (staying away from odd-numbered FP's) Jones
(sjones@crosswinds.net)
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From: Scott Jones 13-Nov-99 00:11:26
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: Re: Win Program setup
-=> On 11 Nov 99 16:05:37, Linda Proulx wrote to All <=-
LP> Wanting feedback on setting up Win programs as a single session or as
LP> seperate sessions.
Personally, I prefer seperate WinOS/2 sessions for what few Win apps I
still run (actually, my wife does, mostly WordPerfect and TurboTax).
For example, if she's working on a client's tax forms in TT while doing
up her bill to them in WP and one of them goes belly-up, it only takes
out it's own Win session, leaving the other still standing.
LP> Wondering what your experiences are. Can one have both set up?
Thinking back now, I haven't run a Win app since I installed TurboTax
for my wife back in January, but IIRC, yes, you can do both.
Scott Jones
(sjones@crosswinds.net)
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From: Peter Knapper 14-Nov-99 08:21:27
To: Ron Nicholls 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: Tutorial
Hi Ron,
RN> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this
RN> weekend.
RN> Just where is it kept ????
It depends if you have moved things around, left them at their default
location, or if you left them out of the install. Assuming the default -
For Warp 3, start looking in OS/2 Sysytem ==> Information ==> Tutorial.
For Warp 4, start at WarpCentre ==> Information ==> Tutorial.
Also try OS/2 System ==> Warpcentre ==> Information ==>Tutorial,
and OS/2 System ==> Welcome
I hope that helps...........pk.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 10:36:25
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hello Linda,
09 Nov 99 17:40, Linda Proulx wrote to John Thompson:
JT>> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only
JT>> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to
JT>> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the
JT>> picture completely at that point.
LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed
LP> the minimum date is somewhere in 1990.
I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition)
publisher SAMS PUBLISHING
ISBN 0-672-30545-3
I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have a date
somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell where I can find
it in this book if it's in there.
Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp 3" or in
the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 11:34:17
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: File Systems
Hello Linda,
09 Nov 99 17:42, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET>> Don't you have internet access? I do have internet access under
ET>> OS/2.
LP> Nope. No $ for it.
While I haven't any US dollars here ;-), I have a (not expensive but paid)
internet account. These days, you can get a free internet account (commercials
are paying your account).
There is so much (also for OS/2) on internet. :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 11:52:08
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: Mail reader
Hello Linda,
09 Nov 99 20:24, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
LP> Know about MultiMail but what other y2k Os2 readers are there?
Golded/2 (free, I'm using it) textmode, fast, is very flexible and can be made
to do anything, but that takes a lot of reading, learning and text file
configurations of Golded
Sqed/2 (free) GUI, I have it installed here and have used it a short while,
after I installed Golded and still prefer Golded
Timed (free) it can be made Y2000 proof (I saw files to do this coming by),
fast but somewhat crude
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 12:05:18
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: Vmodem
Hello Linda,
10 Nov 99 11:40, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
LP> Been following the posts & hoped to catch up on what Vmodem was but
LP> haven't been able to. Is it a protocol, etc, or something like a
LP> fossil?
no, vmodem is a virtual modem, a piece of software that provides the interface
of a virtual comport, any application that communicates via a modem thinks
it's a real modem and because vmodem is also a telnet client this makes it
possible to use any telecommunication program to connect to a bbs on the
internet that runs a telnet server (vmodem has also a telnet server).
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 12:55:02
To: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
Hello Murray,
09 Nov 99 19:28, Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx:
ML> As I remember the original, the topic being discussed was Boot
ML> Manager. If all your bootable partitions are primary partitions on
ML> the same drive, they all have the same partition letter (usually C:
ML> on the first HD, since neither DOS nor Windows can boot from any
ML> other partition).
Drive letters are assigned at boot time by the booting operating system. The
first primary partition will gets drive letter C: (regardless of which
partition is booted) and all other primary partitions on the same disk with
the recognized true partition type will get subsequent drive letters (in the
order they are laid out on the harddisk).
ML> As a consequence, none of the booted systems can see any other
ML> bootable partition because you can have only one active C: drive on a
ML> system at a time.
This is not true. I know DOS can see them all because I've seen that on
someone else' system with this setup.
ML> With this exception, in general, OS/2 can see all primary partitions
ML> and extended partitions, but may not be able to read them.
I haven't tried OS/2 with this setup, so I don't know if OS/2 will run OK with
this setup. I have no reason to believe OS/2 wouldn't run OK, but I don't
know. Nor would I try.
ML> OTOH, neither DOS nor Win95 can see partitions formatted HPFS, whether
ML> primary or extended. This is not a valid reason not to use HPFS for
ML> big partitions; perhaps it is a valid reason not to boot DOS nor Win95
ML> :-).
DOS and any winxx version don't recognize and so can't use HPFS partitions,
but not because they can't see them. :)
ML> Do not ever, ever, ever, use Norton Utilities (or any other
ML> DOS/Windows disk-fixer utility) on a partition (or drive) containing
ML> OS/2 files, UNLESS you are really an expert on the OS/2 internal file
ML> structures and know exactly what you are doing!!!
You don't have to be an expert on the OS/2 internal file structures (do you
mean HPFS structures here?), but one has to know exactly what he/she is doing
when using a disk editor, including Disk Editor from the Norton Utilities.
ML> At the worst, you will lose your desktop, which is mainly stored as
ML> OS/2 Extended Attributes.
If OS/2 is installed on a FAT partition. If OS/2 is installed on a HPFS
partition, plain DOS can't access it because it doesn't know HPFS.
ML> that one never use FAT partitions (of any size) containing more than
ML> 500 files.
On a FAT partition: if there are more than 500 files in the same directory and
only when that directory is accessed.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 13:00:18
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: Confirmation Needed
Hello Linda,
06 Nov 99 12:18, Linda Proulx wrote to Albert Sodyl:
LP> Still stuff to do in pre setup. After all don't want to reinstall.
my strong advice: install bootmanager and install OS/2 on a HPFS partition,
use the advanced install for this! :) This OS/2 boot HPFS partition can be a
primary or a logical partition, a logical boot partition is more flexible
because it can access also the primary partitions on the same harddisk without
tricks.
I don't know how fdisk will behave with your primary partitions because of how
they are setup.
I still see no reason why 'your' guru has your primary partitions setup the
way they are.
In any way, you should only use OS/2 fdisk because that works with a nice
interface and you don't have to punch those stupid numbers like in the DOS
fdisk. Also, DOS fdisk is very limited how it can handle partitions: DOS fdisk
can't see partitions what DOS can't see (on big harddisks), DOS and DOS fdisk
rely on the BIOS (SCSI BIOS for SCSI harddisks and the mainboard BIOS for
MFM/IDE harddisks) possibly resulting (not necessarily but possible) in
translation harddisk geometry problems if this happens it can/will screw up
the partitions big time, and DOS and DOS fdisk can't see the whole harddisk if
it's a big harddisk, IIRC some DOS fdisk versions won't let you create
multiple primary partitions but I'm not sure about this (it's too long ago I
used DOS fdisk). DOS fdisk can't also handle HPFS partitions.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 13:10:17
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: FTP & Telnet
Hello Linda,
09 Nov 99 20:05, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not what
LP> kind of programs would I need?
Netscape can FTP but not telnet. OS/2 Warp comes with a telnet client in the
bonuspack.
Netscape is a pig, and I think it would run less or more jerky on a slow
system (especially with less than 16 MB RAM).
There are many other programs that do FTP or telnet:
FTP: various programs, including some mirror programs (like wget, which is I'm
using, I've written batch .cmd files and REXX files to run wget automatically
when a connection to internet is made, wget is free)
telnet client: ZOC (telecommunications program), vmodem (part of the SIO
package, SIO is a high performance replacement to the standard OS/2 COM
drivers, is higly recommended and is shareware).
I'm curius, why bother with FTP and telnet if you don't have internet access?
Or do you plan to have internet access?
FTP and telnet were originally written for Unix to connect and/or retrieve
information and/or files from other Unix systems connected in a network.
Because internet is a big worldwide network, FTP and telnet will work via
internet. Only if you are connected to internet you can use FTP and/or telnet
(or use the local loop, but if it's only for yourself then that's most of the
time not usefull).
FTP = File Transport Protocol
telnet looks like an contraction to telenetwork, but I'm just guessing this
and I don't know this.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 13:24:15
To: Andy Roberts 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
Hello Andy,
10 Nov 99 11:49, Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx:
AR> An advantage of having many users say essentially the same thing is
AR> that it comes out in different words,
which delivers different views on the subject, meaning different angles on how
to look at the subject, different angles of view doesn't mean they disagree
with other views or contradict each other, and learn more in the process.
so many users, so many views. <g>
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 13:25:03
To: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: An Inquiring Mind
Hello Holger,
10 Nov 99 20:42, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET>> ZOC has its own telnet client, it doesn't need Vmodem. I don't know
ET>> if ZOC has also a telnet server, if not and you want to run a
ET>> telnet server, vmodem is also a telnet server.
HG> Thanks for the info. That's what was buried deep down in the grey
HG> cells. Yesterday I checked my filed docs but found very little on ZOC.
HG> Mostly evolution history.
what about its file_id.diz file (it mentions telnet on the 1st line):
ZOC 3.12 - 32bit Modem, Telnet/SSH and ISDN
comm. application for OS/2 and Windows 95/98/NT.
Outstanding GUI, solid VT220 and Zmodem, count-
less options and features including CIS-B,
Kermit, online JPG/GIF viewer, REXX scripting.
Not crippled (just a registration reminder after
file transfer). Filenames: ZOC*.ZIP=OS/2
Version, ZOW*.ZIP=Win-95/98/NT-Version
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 17:37:16
To: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: Installation problem
Hello Murray,
11 Nov 99 06:28, Murray Lesser wrote to Mike Ruskai:
ML> HPFS to FAT, preserving the long name. I was merely telling Eddy
ML> Thilleman how to do it, in response to his posted query.
That was a reply to someone else who asked about it, I am not bothered with
it, nor could I care about it. Please at least _read_ the messages you are
replying to. :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Don't Marry Microsoft -- Engage Warp
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From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 17:37:22
To: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 20:13:20
Subj: File Systems
Hello Holger,
10 Nov 99 20:42, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET>> Don't you have internet access? I do have internet access under
ET>> OS/2.
HG> She hasn't even installed OS/2 yet!
I didn't ask if she had internet access under OS/2!
I only asked if she had internet access.
I said _I_ have internet access under OS/2!
It looks like good reading is not the most used skill. :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Peter Knapper 14-Nov-99 08:42:12
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: Installation problem
Hi Linda,
LP> I just read somthing that said the installer may have to
LP> delete or rename autoexec.bak files. Is that there? Check
LP> for the backups of autoexec/config files.
JS> Autoexec.bat is a DOS file, not an OS/2 file.
JS> OS/2 does not create an
JS> automatic executable file on install. If one is
JS> needed later, it uses
JS> it's own auto executable called STARTUP.CMD.
LP> True. But according to 'Unleashed' if there is a .bak or config
LP> backup dos file, it can stop the original install. That's what it says.
Now this drags up old memories... If I remember correctly - the VERY FIRST
release of OS/2 Warp 3 (non-connect) RED BOX, came out with an install bug if
there was a DOS CONFIG.SYS and CONFIG.BAK on drive C:, and you were installing
to a DUAL BOOT system on a FAT drive. This was found and fixed BEFORE the
release of Warp 3, and about 2 days into first diskette production run and
only affected a very small number of packages. I have not heard of anyone ever
running into a set of these disks, however it was very easy to fix this
problem.
Warp 3 Connect and BLUE spine boxes did not have this problem, they were
released later.
Cheers.........pk.
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From: Peter Knapper 14-Nov-99 09:48:25
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Clunker update
Hi Linda,
LP> Got it installed on the clunker.
See... the earth isn't falling.......;-)
LP> Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS,
First, to make sure we are all talking the same language, what version of OS/2
are you installing, EG: Warp 3 Connect RED spine...
Ok, some questions before we start on this -
- In what way "it wont do" DOS (we need some more details)?
- Do you have a "DOS Window" Icon in the COMMAND PROMPTS folder?
- What happens when you double click/select & ENTER it?
- What is the size of the partition that OS/2 installed to?
- Is it FAT or HPFS?
- How much FREE disk space does it have?
- If you are really game, try posting the contents of your CONFIG.SYS here so
we can see what your installation looks like, it may provide some very useful
clues for any issues you have.
JP> and won't read the DOS C drive
If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not surprising.
LP> but has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install).
This is the "protective" mode of OS/2, it only tries to work with what it
knows or the user confirms can be done, it does not try and mussle its way in
unlike some other OS's.
LP> Lost my inport mouse
It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into System
Setup ==> Selective Install and manually configure the type of mouse. I had
the same problem here with a Logitec BUS mouse, it did not autodetect, but I
was able to manually configure it from a list of possible types of mouse that
it could not detect it and it worked great.
LP> & hung playing a game.
What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not respond to keystrokes
immediately has not "hung", it could be running fine, its just the user
keyboard interface is being locked by a badly behaving application. The WORST
thing to do at this time is to pound the keyboard! All that does is fill up
the keyboard buffer.
While it is not impossible to "hang" OS/2 from a DOS session, OS/2 often
manages to grab control back from something that tries to take liberties with
the system, but this can take _T_I_M_E_ and a response is not always
immediate.
Also try CTRL-ESC and ALT-ESC, but after pressing either of these WAIT for 20
seconds for a response. A later fixpak for Warp 3 added a facilty to better
manage what is called "Single Input Queue" lockups. While not essential, it
became a standard feature in Warp 4.
There are many special DOS Settings that can be used to try and "tame" a
rampant DOS application, the default settings are normally ok to get things
working, however I normally modify either the standard "DOS Window" settings
to add specific settings I want or create a new Icon and use that Icon as the
mould for all subsequent DOS sessions that I need.
LP> And want to see the DOS C.
I suspect your partitions are configured in a manner that will not allow this
under OS/2. I am picking that if you really do have multiple primary
partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek without a paddle,
however some of the other folks here may be able to provide a few tricks to
resolve this.
LP> And it doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver.
While not specifically for the FX-80, there is another Epson printer which is
almost identical to the FX-80 that is there, but I can't remember which one it
is. Its been MANY years since I used a Dot Matrix.
Start with the "Epson Generic 9 pin" driver for the FX-80 and checkout the
other Epson printers, the FX-80 was rebadged under another name for other
parts of the world. If you do not have a printer object, go into System setup
==> Selective install, and check out the list of Epson printers, and am sure
you willfind one that will work, dot matrix printers generally have a generic
mode of operating so something should work fine.
LP> But then it only has 6 MB
That should have no affect on the issues you have seen. It will inhibit some
things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)).
LP> & I admit I did not try to make the swap file on the 3rd partition.
Provided the OS/2 install partition has enough space to expand the swap file
to whatever size it needs, this should not cause any of these problems. Moving
the swap file for performance reasons should be a minor issue...
TIP: If you change the location of the SWAP file, make sure that after
re-booting using the NEW loaction, you DELETE the OLD swap file to regain the
disk space it used!
LP> And it has the old bios.
And that is TOTALLY out of the picture now that OS/2 has booted. Forget it!
LP> Multiboot works fine, though.
At least thats ONE positive sign......;-)
I hope some of this helps........pk.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 09:59:29
To: Larry Snider 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Larry Snider wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by
LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years.
isn't he the author of X00 ?
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 10:01:00
To: Albert Sodyl 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Albert Sodyl wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
AS> Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest version of
AS> ZOC and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better in my opinion.
Is it Y2Ked? Wonder what the newest version is.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 10:04:07
To: James Mckenzie 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> James Mckenzie wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP> Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number?
JM> Should be Y2K compliant. The latest version is 3.12 here. I don't use
JM> the program and cannot due to the authors "anti-combat" clause.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^??????
This sounds very interesting.^.^
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:16:16
To: All 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: file /query
Hello!
Did the fdisk /query. Here is what it said.
DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
**BIOS: 504MB
Does this answer anything?
Linda
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:19:24
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: Get an OS/2 guru
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Murray Lesser <=-
JdP> type 0X primary partitions. (The output of PARTLIST, which I am hoping
Have a post.
JdP> I'm hoping that Linda's guru will explain the answer to "Why?".
he is planning a post, just can't do it immediately.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:23:25
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
JdP> What other "weaknesses" did he have in mind ?
Like I said. I forgot. His post is being planned. Honest.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:37:29
To: John Thompson 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: Win9XX Question
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
JT> If you haven't read Judge Jackson's "Findings of Fact" in the MS
Not available. Just get what's on the news.
JT> the PC software market and thereby maintain their monopoly
JT> position.
Of course. they've always been heavy handed. Just ask the folks who
developed Geoworks.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:41:18
To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: Red & Blue
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
WH> Easy ones tonite. No, partly because the source files are compressed,
I guess it is considering what I started. <RBG>
LP> Also, is there an OS/2 driver for a parallel to SCSI adapter.
WH> Not to the best of my knowlege.
That's too bad. I was hoping.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:48:18
To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
WH> No, more of a combination of fat fingers, fat heads, and users who
WH> think manuals are devices to increase the height of their chairs.
To be somewhat fair manuals are not an easy read. Took me a year of
using DOS to understand what the manual was telling me. And you
wouldn't believe what I did with my first spreadsheet program after
using the manual. Also had a client who read the manual so well she
formated her C: drive.
But I do agree with the concept of look first ask later.
WH> Couple that with type-A managers and they send me in figuring at my age
WH> I can get by with the curmudgeon act without risking their own
WH> 'ca-rears'.
There are advantages to being part of an archane department.....
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:51:22
To: Albert Sodyl 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Albert Sodyl wrote to DAITENGU <=-
AS> I know I do, but I'm not exactly rich. I could hardly afford this 486
AS> a while back... much better compared to my last 286. I'd rather buy
AS> something local, I don't like used stuff :(
I actually saw a red spine in a used stuff type store. But post a
wanted in the for sale area on your local board & you never know what
will happen.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:53:20
To: John Thompson 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: Network
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
JT> Do you see the "SYS2025" or "SYS2027" errors when you boot from
JT> the install diskettes or try to install?
Check out the newer posting(s) <G>
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 12:12:00
To: Andy Roberts 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP> I remember overhearing a word processing student wondering why in
LP> the H she had to learn about directories, subdirectories & basic
LP> DOS. All she wants to know is how to use the wordprocessing
LP> program. Sigh.
AR> almost that long. To this day she doesn't have the slightest idea what
AR> a subdirectory, file extension, or command line is. I have setup all
But remember that folk had to know where to save their data once upon a
time. Trainers can not guarantee that the 'home' computer was as
automated.
AR> I love her in spite of or maybe even because of her lack of technical
AR> awareness.
Somehow I knew that she was not inclined to things mechanical. But it
would be really dull if everyone was the same, wouldn't it.
Have a friend like that. Setup her windows to do her stuff.
AR> close it again, without her ever pressing any button. This X-10 system
AR> has a fairly high level of AI due to extensive If-Then-Else
AR> programming. It has it's own monitor which is dark most of the time,
This sounds like it was a lot of fun to set up. Would love to see how
your house is wired.
AR> should be long gone. Now if the motion detectors thinks there is an
AR> intruder, the lights and some other stuff start to do some rather
Isn't it sad thought that this is neccessary.
AR> at least it didn't turn on the sprinklers, so my wife was not all wet
AR> when she finally did get in. But she was steaming! And wouldn't you
AR> know it, the computer didn't even say it was sorry. <G>
Now, not the computers fault.....
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 12:14:09
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea <=-
JdP> You, I, and Andy have all asked, as predicted, "Why?".
It's coming. Honest.
JdP> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from the
See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 12:52:01
To: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 20:30:14
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP>How about a 10 year old?
ML> The longest that I have had a hardware system live is almost 12
ML> years between birth and death. And it was a top-of-the-line system
Ah! So was mine. I had to insure it for $15,000 whan it walked into the
house (that of course included the software).
ML> I read somewhere (I think it was "Science" magazine, but I am not
ML> sure) that CMOS circuits slowly deteriorate with usage, and most
ML> desktop computers have a 10-year design life. So have an escape path
Now that is interesting.
ML> set up for when your ancient machine gives you the "replace system
ML> unit" warning during POST and refuses to boot :-(.
I was working on trying to be able to add some stuff to the 386 when it
finally hit me in the face that that was an exercise in futility. Which
is why I now have this P unit. (which will take me forever to pay for)
ML> Are you really sure that you need Boot Manager and more than one
ML> primary partition? If the only reason you want to boot real DOS is to
The administrator in me wants me to keep my options open until
everything comes together. And I think it will take a while for that
to happen. Also considering future hardware I may have haved to have
win95
ML> play some DOS games that violate the OS/2 system-integrity rules,
Not a gamer other than hearts or solitare.. <G>
ML> OS/2. I suggest that you try this before allowing DOS a permanent
ML> berth, with all the grief that entails. If it works, it would be a
ML> much better solution than being forced to live with 1 GB FAT
ML> partitions!!
Working on that.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 19:30:00
To: Eddy Thilleman 13-Nov-99 19:30:00
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx on 11-12-1999
ET> LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed
ET> LP> the minimum date is somewhere in 1990.
ET>
ET> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd
ET> edition) publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ISBN 0-672-30545-3
ET>
ET> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS
ET> must have a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this
ET> book. Please tell where I can find it in this book if it's
ET> in there.
In all fairness, there was a significant problem with the AMD (not
AMI) BIOS on their keyboard controller chips back in the 2.0/2.1 days.
Prior to something like rev F were problems. Also, early versions of
the Phoenix BIOS as well as certain levels of the AWARD BIOS set were
noted in readme's and install instructions (as well as here) as being
problems. All this was pre-Warp, tho, as best as I can recall.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 14-Nov-99 02:04:01
To: Linda Proulx 14-Nov-99 02:04:01
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers
Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 11-13-1999
LP> To be somewhat fair manuals are not an easy read. Took me a year
LP> of using DOS to understand what the manual was telling me. And you
LP> wouldn't believe what I did with my first spreadsheet program after
LP> using the manual. Also had a client who read the manual so well she
LP> formated her C: drive.
LP>
LP> But I do agree with the concept of look first ask later.
Ah, Linda. I built my first microprocessor based system with a
then-new Intel 4004 processor. I maintain two rather sizable files
that I call my YGBSM files to document the amazing things I've come
across over the years. One is for what users have tried to do with
computers, the other is for the simply astounding crap I find in
supposedly professional code.
CD is built, will try and get it on the pony Monday.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 20:08:00
To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:08:00
Subj: Get Going
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-11-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to
Linda Proulx):
LP> You'll have to ask him. if you really want to know I can give you his
LP> email address. I knew. It has something to do about the weaknesses
LP> inherent in logical partitions vs primarys. But I can't remember
LP> right at the moment.
JP>It seems that several people are asking "Why?". Hand-editing the
>partition table into a non-standard form using Norton Utilities
>isn't necessary at all for the sort of setup that you appear to be
>wanting (DOS, OS/2, and possibly DOS-Windows 9x on a single drive).
JP>The standard configuration, which many people have been using for
>many years (and which I have even used myself in the early 1990s),
>is to have: Boot Manager, a single primary partition holding DOS,
>and OS/2 Warp in a logical drive in an extended partition. If one
>wants DOS-Windows 9x later, one installs it on the single primary
>partition alongside DOS, since that is the way that it will *try* to
>install itself, using the standard Microsoft mechanism of playing
>musical chairs with the config files on that partition once one has
>booted from it.
Back in the old days from 1988 - 1992, many of my friends who worked
at IBM Research were telling me that I should drop DOS (PC-DOS, not
MS-DOS, since I had IBM-built computers) in favor of OS/2 (v 1.x). I
resisted because I took great pride in understanding the underlying
hardware interfaces, so used direct assembly-language calls in my
programming to reach that hardware instead of using the legitimate DOS
"API" calls. I didn't want to lose my "guru" status by going to an
operating system that prevented me from using such nonsense :-).
When I finally switched to OS/2 v 2.0 (in March, 1993), I discovered
that the only DOS programs I had that wouldn't run under OS/2 were the
ones that I had written using those "pedal to the metal" constructs. So,
I rewrote those DOS programs to get rid of that nonsense, and all work
fine today under Warp 4 FixPak 5.
I am no longer a hardware guru, but I am certainly better off. There
is a moral in this, somewhere :-).
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser 14-Nov-99 10:50:00
To: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 10:50:00
Subj: AMI BIOS date
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-12-99, Eddy Thilleman to Linda Proulx)
Hi Eddy--
PMFJI. I believe that I have quoted you correctly, this time :-).
ET>09 Nov 99 17:40, Linda Proulx wrote to John Thompson:
JT>> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only
JT>> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to
JT>> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the
JT>> picture completely at that point.
LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed
LP> the minimum date is somewhere in 1990.
ET>I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition)
>publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ISBN 0-672-30545-3
ET>I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have
>a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell
>where I can find it in this book if it's in there.
I have a suspicion that Linda has the original edition of "OS/2
Unleashed" rather than the later "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" (especially since
she has never given the latter book title in any of her posts!). IIRC,
the prohibition against early AMI (and some other) BIOSes was never
mentioned in the documentation for Warp 3 (and later). The following is
an edited excerpt (via clipboard) from Appendix G of the OS/2 2.1
"Installation Guide" as it appears on the 1993 CD-ROM edition of the
"OS/2 Online Book Collection":
.....
G.2 AMI BIOS
The later BIOS versions from American Megatrends, Inc. (AMI) provide
a screen ID code, which is visible at the lower-left corner of the
screen during the initial random-access-memory (RAM) count... On an
AMI BIOS or AMI BIOS Plus, the message will be in the form:
aaaa-bbbb-mmddyy-Kc
On an AMI HI-Flex BIOS, the message will be in the form:
ee-ffff-bbbbbb-gggggggg-mmddyy-hhhhhhhh-c
1. If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should be
040990 or later for use with any operating system, including DOS.
This is because of the special timing requirements of IDE drives,
which were accommodated on the date noted.
.....
Since I cnnot find this information in the reference material I have
for any later versions of OS/2, I cam make one of two assumptions: 1).
The restriction is no longer in existence for later versions of OS/2;
or 2) By the time later versions of OS/2 came out, the people compiling
the documentation had forgotten that there were any old machines still
in use.
You pays your money and takes your choice! However, I see by later
posts that Linda has taken John's advice to ignore it, which seems to
have worked out OK.
One of the troubles with third-party textbooks is that the authors
tend to believe what they read in the official documentation without
trying it first, especially when the book comes out too early after the
software GA release for any serious testing to have taken place. The
"Unleashed" authors were pretty conscientious in this regard, but even
they had occasional lapses.
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser 14-Nov-99 15:17:01
To: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 15:17:01
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-12-99, Eddy Thilleman to Murray
Lesser)
Hi Eddy--
ET>Drive letters are assigned at boot time by the booting operating
>system. The first primary partition will gets drive letter C:
>(regardless of which partition is booted) and all other primary
>partitions on the same disk with the recognized true partition type
>will get subsequent drive letters (in the order they are laid out on
>the harddisk).
Almost every other OS/2 user agrees that your above assertion is not
true under boot manager (all the bootable primary partitions on the
first hard drive that boot manager knows about, except the one it is in,
will have the drive letter C:. Also, if you have one primary partition
on the first hard drive, with or without boot manager installed, and a
primary partition on the second hard drive, the primary partition on the
second hard drive will be assigned the drive letter D: by any operating
system that I have used. That is why I have only one primary portion on
my wife's OS/2 system, which has two hard drives installed.
ML> As a consequence, none of the booted systems can see any other
ML> bootable partition because you can have only one active C: drive on a
ML> system at a time.
ET>This is not true. I know DOS can see them all because I've seen that
>on someone else' system with this setup.
See a recent post from JdeBP to me for an explanation of how this
may be done. I assume that he agrees with me that it is very poor
practice to play this game. In any case, "someone else" was not running
OS/2 Boot Manager :-). According to a post to Linda from John Thompson,
recent versions of Windows can also see all primary partitions. (He
doesn't know whether this is "a good thing," either.) But there goes
Microsoft again, making up its own rules as it goes along :-).
ML> With this exception, in general, OS/2 can see all primary partitions
ML> and extended partitions, but may not be able to read them.
On more mature thought, I believe that the above statement is
incorrect. As noted in other posts (not from me), there are several
other exceptions to the "see all primary partitions" assertion.
ML> OTOH, neither DOS nor Win95 can see partitions formatted HPFS, whether
ML> primary or extended. This is not a valid reason not to use HPFS for
ML> big partitions; perhaps it is a valid reason not to boot DOS nor Win95
ML> :-).
ET>DOS and any winxx version don't recognize and so can't use HPFS
>partitions, but not because they can't see them. :)
They don't assign drive letters to them, either! Can you tell me
the practical difference between "don't recognize" and "can't see?"
ML> that one never use FAT partitions (of any size) containing more than
ML> 500 files.
ET>On a FAT partition: if there are more than 500 files in the same
>directory and only when that directory is accessed.
According to the IBM white paper I mentioned in the message to Linda
that you replied to, it was 500 files in a FAT _partition_, and 5000
files in an HPFS _directory_. If you are interested in reading the
paper for yourself, the file is WARPPERF.ASC and is available to guests
for download from the DevCon Web site, as well as being on all recent
DevCon CD-ROMs. If you don't want to look it up for yourself, here is
the relevant excerpt:
FAT is best suited for disk partitions that are 80 MB or less in size
_or_ that have a limited number of files installed. Usually, 256
files is a good target, with up to 500 acceptable. [emphasis added]
To quote from another message from you to me in the same packet:
ET> Please at least _read_ the messages you are replying to. :)
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: George White 11-Nov-99 07:47:25
To: Roy J. Tellason 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Win9XX Question
Hi Roy,
On 07-Nov-99, Roy J. Tellason wrote to MIKE RUSKAI:
RJT> MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to LINDA PROULX:
MR>> Win95 is basically Win 3.x, with the only primary difference that
MR>> you can install the bulk of its data on a drive other than C:.
RJT> Oh really? That "everything on drive c:" stuff sure seems to be
RJT> built into a lot of what's out there, both applications and the
RJT> OS..
And into the magazine advice pages. In a recent UK magazine someone
asked about splitting their Win 98 8.4 Gig HD into two partitions. The
basic advice was "don't do it", but if you must it'll be lots of
hassle and require reinstallation of all the software as it'll require
deleting the partition and starting over. They did give instructions,
including the advice to back stuff up. Their preferred option was a
second HD.
Ignorant authors (they also operate under the smartass names of "Ivan
Iwannado" and "Nigel Knowitall"), Partition magic will do it without
loss of data...
MR>> It does, however, still require drive C: to boot from (even
MR>> Windows NT does). So, to install Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need
MR>> to give up DOS, since it'll overwrite it when installing.
Actually NT can be installed to allow access to DOS on the same
partition if installed over an existing DOS setup - although I
wouldn't recommend it.
MR>> The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like
MR>> System Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files
MR>> of the operating systems it supports. It allows you to install
MR>> any number of OS's on the same partition, and choose which to
MR>> boot at startup.
RJT> Or set up separate dos and w9x partitions, that don't "see" each
RJT> other...
The best way in my opinion.
MR>> ... Are there any lawyers here? <BLAM> Any more?
RJT> <g>
:-) Too.
My sister collects lawer jokes...
George
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From: George White 11-Nov-99 16:49:19
To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Network
Hi Peter,
On 06-Nov-99, Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx:
GW>> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?
LP>> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6
LP>> months too old. And I don't think Warp would change that.
PK> I have never seen any statement that suggests "Your BIOS must be
PK> dated after xxx to load/run OS/2", so I will repeat the above
PK> question - What date is your BIOS
I've just dug out the Warp Connect V3 (Red) Users Guide. Starting on
page 300 there is a section on AMI BIOS. Page 301, General Rules:
"If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should be
040990 or later for use with any operating system, including DOS.
Special timing requirements of IDE drives were accomodated on the date
noted.
If you use any other drive type, such as MFM, RLL, EDSI, or SCSI, the
OS/2 operating system might install and operate correctly if mmddyy is
092588 or later, provided that the Keyboard Comtroller revision level
is suitable for the OS/2 version being used."...
The next paragraph states that Keyboard Controller revision level F is
"expected" to provide correct operation for OS/2 Warp, and gives older
revisions for OS/2 1.x versions.
PK> OS/2 1.x used to load on 286 machines manufactured in 1988, and I
PK> have loaded Warp 3 on machines with a BIOS dated 1990, and I am
PK> not aware of any specific BIOS date restrictions in this respect.
PK> There were (and still are) some documented issues relating to
PK> known problems on some vendors equipment, but these were NOT
PK> general date related installation issues............pk
As noted in the quotes above, AMI BIOSs do have specific BIOS release
date related issues.
George
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From: George White 11-Nov-99 17:02:04
To: Roy J. Tellason 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Network
Hi Roy,
On 07-Nov-99, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx:
GW>> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?
LP>> It's an AMI 386 dated 04/30/89.
LP>> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6
LP>> months too old. And I don't think Warp would change that.
LP>> The AMI bios had to be after a certain date & this bios date was
LP>> not. At least that was the info given to the User Group.
RJT> The only problem you're likely to run into with this is that it
RJT> won't have direct support built into the BIOS for newer, larger
RJT> drives. That usually takes the form of more choices in drive
RJT> mappings, particularly LBA. As long as you can set up a
RJT> smallish partition to _boot_ from, then once OS/2 boots it takes
RJT> control of things and the BIOS is out of the picture
According to the OS/2 User Guide, page 300 et sequa, with AMI BIOSs
there are IDE timing problems with BIOSs before 040990 which affect
all OSs. See my post to Peter Knapper for quotes.
RJT> The only constraint is that the boot partition needs to be within
RJT> the first 1023 cylinders on the disk
Always a problem in those days...
George
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From: George White 11-Nov-99 17:05:18
To: Holger Granholm 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Network
Hi Holger,
On 08-Nov-99, Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx:
HG> LP>The AMI bios had to be after a certain date & this bios date
HG> was LP>not. At least that was the info given to the User Group.
HG> Stareting on page 317 in the manual you get the low-down for AMI
HG> BIOS.
Or page 300, depending on manual edition :-)
However Linda's BIOS _is_ before the specified date :-(.
George
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From: George White 11-Nov-99 17:07:12
To: John Thompson 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Network
Hi John,
On 08-Nov-99, John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx:
JT> In a message to George White, Linda Proulx wrote re: Network
GW>> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated?
LP>> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6
LP>> months too old. And I don't think Warp would change that.
JT> ???
It won't :-(
JT> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only
JT> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to
JT> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the
JT> picture completely at that point.
IBM _do_ document specific requirements for AMI BIOSs. See post to
Peter Knapper.
JT> In any case, how old is your BIOS? This machine has an AMI BIOS
JT> dated 11/11/92 and it works just fine with Warp. Nor can I find
JT> any mention in my Warp documentation of any restrictions due to
JT> BIOS date.
That is _well_ after the specified date of 040990.
Page 300 in the User guide, red, First Edition dated October 94...
George
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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil 13-Nov-99 18:36:24
To: Garth Ramsay 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: M$ "screw you" FAT32
On Stardate 01 Nov 99 19:10:25, Garth Ramsay Communicated the Following
To Dave Davidson, Regarding M$ "screw you" FAT32...
GR> 31-Oct-99 14:46:41, Dave Davidson wrote to Ian Moote
GR> Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32
GR>
GR>
GR>
GR> DD> Well, maybe.... The machine I'm attempting to install OS/2 on is
GR> DD> an AMD K6/2-350, PC-100 MB, Award PnP Bios (with the latest flash
GR>
GR> Dave...
GR>
GR> Friends don't let friends use AMD K6/2's....
GR>
GR> HA HA, HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
GR>
GR> OOP's....
GR>
GR> Did I say that out loud?????
They work just great here.... Both a 350MHz and a 400MHz....
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From: Peter Knapper 14-Nov-99 13:57:07
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Hi Linda,
LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by
LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years.
LP> isn't he the author of X00 ?
Yep. thats the one.......;-)
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From: Rich Wonneberger 13-Nov-99 08:59:11
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
*** Quoting Linda Proulx to David Randall dated 11-12-99 ***
> SIO means? Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number? How does
> one
> use a Front Door without being a BBS?
Linda,
SIO is a communication driver to -replace- IBM's driver. SIO works better.
Havent used ZOC in a few years. For me it was an over kill.
You can have FD2 running as a mail/file request system w/o running a BBS.
Theres an setting for NO BBS in it. Before I joined Fido, I picked a node
number in it for a BBS in my area and used it just to get files. Probably
not approved, but I didnt do anything destructive so what the hill.. :}
FD can also be used to receive faxes if you have a fax modem & a program like
BGFAX.
Rich
I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net
... ...ooops!...Got my floppy caught in my PKZipper...
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From: Stewart Buckingham 13-Nov-99 05:22:12
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
Hi,
I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7.
Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a Fatal Error
box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how to remedy this
error?
Stu/2
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From: Stewart Buckingham 13-Nov-99 05:36:19
To: Murray Lesser 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: FixPak Follies
Hi Murray,
>> My advice now would be to get to the current version of OS/2.
>> I second that advice. FP12 serves me as well as it does RH.
> Nonsense! Even assuming that FixPak 12 is bug free (which I doubt),
> there is no value to me in applying a FixPak to a system that isn't
> broken (as far as my usage is concerned) unless it adds new function
> that I would find to be useful (which none since Warp 4 FixPak 5 have
> done). You and RH may get pleasure from being able to brag that you are
> operating at the highest Warp level. But I spent too many years being
> paid to live on computing's bleeding edge to do it for fun. AFAIAC, the
> tagline is still valid.
My memory may be failing, but I thought it was FP6 which made Warp4 Y2K
compliant. (However, it may have been FP5... in which case you are alright). I
think this may have been the concern of some of the mail you have received.
Other than that, I'm a firm believer in the old adage "if it ain't broke,
don't fix it" (I've done it too many times myself).
Stu/2
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 19:25:10
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Install
Greetings,
Well got the Os2 dos to load & got the windows programs to load. But
boy does it ever hang. Had the tutorial running, & stalled in third
page. Can't open too much.
Could be the bios. Could be not enough hard drive space. @250 Mb on the
HPFS drive & @ 200 Mb on d with fat 16
Here's the config.sys
----------------
IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C
PROTSHELL=C:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
SET USER_INI=C:\OS2\OS2.INI
SET SYSTEM_INI=C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI
SET OS2_SHELL=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE
SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS,CONNECTIONS,LAUNCHPAD
SET RUNWORKPLACE=C:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE
SET COMSPEC=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE
LIBPATH=.;C:\OS2\DLL;C:\OS2\MDOS;C:\;C:\OS2\APPS\DLL;C:\MMOS2\DLL;C:\IBMWORKS
SET
PATH=C:\OS2;C:\OS2\SYSTEM;C:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;C:\OS2\INSTALL;C:\;C:\OS2\MDOS
SET
DPATH=C:\OS2;C:\OS2\SYSTEM;C:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;C:\OS2\INSTALL;C:\;C:\OS2\BIT
SET PROMPT=$i[$p]
SET HELP=C:\OS2\HELP;C:\OS2\HELP\TUTORIAL;C:\MMOS2\HELP;C:\IBMWORKS
SET GLOSSARY=C:\OS2\HELP\GLOSS;
SET IPF_KEYS=SBCS
PRIORITY_DISK_IO=YES
FILES=20
BASEDEV=IBMKBD.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\TESTCFG.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\DOS.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\PMDD.SYS
BUFFERS=90
IOPL=YES
DISKCACHE=D,LW
MAXWAIT=3
MEMMAN=SWAP,PROTECT
SWAPPATH=d:\ 4096 10240
BREAK=OFF
THREADS=256
PRINTMONBUFSIZE=134,134,134
COUNTRY=001,C:\OS2\SYSTEM\COUNTRY.SYS
SET KEYS=ON
SET BOOKSHELF=C:\OS2\BOOK;C:\MMOS2;
SET SOMIR=C:\OS2\ETC\SOM.IR;C:\OS2\ETC\WPSH.IR;C:\OS2\ETC\WPDSERV.IR
SET SOMDDIR=C:\OS2\ETC\DSOM
REM SET DELDIR=C:\DELETE,512;D:\DELETE,512;
BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS
BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD
BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD
BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD
BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT
BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD
SET EPMPATH=C:\OS2\APPS;
PROTECTONLY=NO
SHELL=C:\OS2\MDOS\COMMAND.COM C:\OS2\MDOS
FCBS=16,8
RMSIZE=640
DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VEMM.SYS
DOS=LOW,NOUMB
DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VXMS.SYS /UMB
DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VDPMI.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VDPX.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VWIN.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VW32S.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\POINTDD.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\MOUSE.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\COM.SYS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS
CODEPAGE=437,850
DEVINFO=KBD,US,C:\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP
DEVINFO=SCR,VGA,C:\OS2\BOOT\VIOTBL.DCP
SET VIDEO_DEVICES=VIO_VGA
SET VIO_VGA=DEVICE(BVHVGA)
DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VVGA.SYS
SET IBMWORKS_INI=C:\IBMWORKS
DEVICE=C:\OS2\APPS\SYSIOS2.SYS
REM FaxFaxFaxFaxFax -- Please do not modify this group of lines
IOPL=FxPrint
DEVICE=C:\FaxWorks\Fmd.sys L
REM FaxFaxFaxFaxFax -- FaxWorks for OS/2
-----------
Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general data
directory for all the program. But then haven't had a chance to do a
lot of playing yet.
Still iffy on the fdisk meanings though.
Anon,
Linda
Anon,
Linda
... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 19:33:13
To: David Randall 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
DR> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can choose
DR> to use either or both.
But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS?
Anon,
Linda
... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 19:35:28
To: Scott Jones 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Win Program setup
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Scott Jones wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP> Wondering what your experiences are. Can one have both set up?
SJ> Thinking back now, I haven't run a Win app since I installed TurboTax
SJ> for my wife back in January, but IIRC, yes, you can do both.
How is it done? Are the programs set for single session but others set
for same session?
Anon,
Linda
... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space.
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From: John Thompson 13-Nov-99 20:27:00
To: Larry Snider 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: DAT
In a message to Francois Thunus, Larry Snider wrote re: DAT
LS> SCSI tape support is the only type of tape support that tar supports under
LS> OS/2. I assume that it's that way on all OS's.
No. I have an HP-Colorado IDE tape drive on my linux machine
that works fine with tar in linux. I haven't tried it with OS/2
though.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 22:11:26
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: SETUP
Greetings and Salutations,
Have an install question. (I know your thinking here we go again <G>)
I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other stuff on
another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work around to do
this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to wait until after I
do all the jury rig? Would love to do it during the original install &
didn't see anything on the advance install.
Anon,
Linda
Anon,
Linda
... A cheap dominatrix offers bargain debasement
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 22:38:12
To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: AMI BIOS date
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
ET> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition)
ET> publisher SAMS PUBLISHING
ET> ISBN 0-672-30545-3
See Page 46.
Anon,
Linda
... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 22:58:21
To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Clunker update
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP> Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS,
PK> First, to make sure we are all talking the same language, what version
PK> of OS/2 are you installing, EG: Warp 3 Connect RED spine...
Blue. Borrowed a CDROM & created the disks. Thought I'd better
do a test on a system that would be easy to put back if I had to. (And
everything is backed up...) Wouldn't load DOS at all & therfore no Win.
Put the VVGA.SYS as a device line. DOS but no WIn. Reinstalled the WIN.
Voila working.
PK> Ok, some questions before we start on this -
PK> - In what way "it wont do" DOS (we need some more details)?
See above
PK> - Do you have a "DOS Window" Icon in the COMMAND PROMPTS folder?
Had Icon but no loading.
PK> - What is the size of the partition that OS/2 installed to?
@250 MB
PK> - Is it FAT or HPFS?
HPFS. Put the swap on D FAT 16.
PK> - How much FREE disk space does it have?
Sorry forgot.
PK> - If you are really game, try posting the contents of your CONFIG.SYS
Already posted.
JP> and won't read the DOS C drive
PK> If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not
PK> surprising.
In multiboot says it's hidden. How do I change this with the Fdisk. D
is fine.
LP> Lost my inport mouse
PK> It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into
It auto detected but it keeps disappearing & had to use the keyboard
to load down. That is a real oucher. Mine is an MS Buss mouse.
LP> & hung playing a game.
PK> What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not respond to keystrokes
Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time.
PK> Also try CTRL-ESC and ALT-ESC, but after pressing either of these WAIT
Nada
LP> And want to see the DOS C.
During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I
assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment.
PK> primary partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek
PK> without a paddle, however some of the other folks here may be able to
PK> provide a few tricks to resolve this.
I think Fdisk will fix this. After all I'm using Drive D. Just ansy
about playing with the DOS partition at the moment.
LP> And it doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver.
PK> While not specifically for the FX-80, there is another Epson printer
PK> which is almost identical to the FX-80 that is there, but I can't
PK> remember which one it is. Its been MANY years since I used a Dot
PK> Matrix.
It has an FX-850 which I picked but my RolandDG PR-1012 is officially
classified as an Epson FX-80.
PK> Start with the "Epson Generic 9 pin" driver for the FX-80 and checkout
Never thought of that one.
PK> the other Epson printers, the FX-80 was rebadged under another name for
Also a Panasonic but I couldn't remember which one. After all it is a
panasonic OEM.
LP> But then it only has 6 MB
PK> That should have no affect on the issues you have seen. It will inhibit
PK> some things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)).
Stutter?
PK> TIP: If you change the location of the SWAP file, make sure that after
PK> re-booting using the NEW loaction, you DELETE the OLD swap file to
PK> regain the disk space it used!
Did.
PK> And that is TOTALLY out of the picture now that OS/2 has booted. Forget
PK> it!
If you say so <G>.
PK> I hope some of this helps........pk.
Oh yeah.
Anon,
Linda
... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 23:00:26
To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: File Systems
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
ET> paid) internet account. These days, you can get a free internet account
ET> (commercials are paying your account).
And how to get that in Winnipeg?
Anon,
Linda
... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space.
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From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 23:07:16
To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: FTP & Telnet
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
ET> I'm curius, why bother with FTP and telnet if you don't have internet
ET> access? Or do you plan to have internet access?
When & if I'll know what to look for.
Anon,
Linda
... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space.
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From: Andy Roberts 14-Nov-99 07:44:01
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Get Going
Linda Proulx,
13-Nov-99 12:14:19, Linda Proulx wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
LP> -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea <=-
Subject: Re: Get Going
JdP>> You, I, and Andy have all asked, as predicted, "Why?".
LP> It's coming. Honest.
JdP>> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from
JdP>> the
LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried.
Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some other dearchiver
to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you. PartList.exe is in there.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts 14-Nov-99 07:49:04
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Get Going
Linda Proulx,
13-Nov-99 12:52:02, Linda Proulx wrote to Murray Lesser
LP> -=> Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
Subject: Re: Get Going
LP> Which is why I now have this P unit.
Details please?
LP> Also considering future hardware I may have haved to have win95
99% of the time hardware is not a good reason to use M$, especially if you
read the OS2HW echo and make careful selections before buying new HW. Often
the difference in price between the very cheapest M$ only HW that is usually
slow and unreliable, is not enough savings in $ compared to buying average or
better HW that will run under OS/2 and M$. If your time and data are worth
anything at all, then paying a little extra for reliable HW for OS/2 will be
worth it. The extra time and frustration recovering from problems using the
cheapest M$ HW (even when using it only under M$) is enormous. Only those
who have never been exposed to the reliability of OS/2 can "forgive & forget"
those problems M$ and the cheap HW designed only for M$ cause.
OTOH some new software (due to M$ cut throat contacts) is designed to only
run on M$. But that is mostly games and updated versions of some other
software like DeLorme's map stuff etc. Fortunately TaxCut (as of last year's
version) will still run under Win-OS/2. 99% of the time there is native OS/2
alternative software to perform whatever task M$ does.
Do yourself a BIG favor: don't buy nor even install a free gift of WinXX,
until long after you have been using OS/2 on a regular basis. Give yourself
at least 6 months to a year of regular (every day all day) use of OS/2 so
that you will learn how to do things the right way FIRST. That will build up
your immunity to becoming addicted to the M$ virus. Then if you absolutely
must have some M$ only software, at least you will understand that you can
Boot Manager to WinXX to run that and then go back to OS/2 to get some work
done. And you will understand to only use M$ on extremely rare occasions.
If you have any thoughts of doing a comparison of M$ before you get a very
good handle on OS/2, then you will become so confused that it will cause you
to need many years to learn as much about OS/2, as what you could learn in a
few months without M$. In other words it is much easier to learn OS/2 if you
don't have to UNlearn M$ first.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Stewart Honsberger 14-Nov-99 11:39:26
To: Andy Roberts 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Get Going
12 Nov 99 07:24, Andy Roberts wrote to Stewart Honsberger:
SH>> Just re-install the OS, and re-create icons for the neccesary
SH>> applications.
AR> You would not have to manually re-create the Icons nor even edit your
AR> config.sys etc, (and maybe not even reinstall at all) if you used:
The problem with a utility to save my WPS is the fact that the WPS is
typically the reason I'm forced to re-install.
Restore the old WPS, get the problems back.
Stewart Honsberger,
blackdeath@tinys.oix.com
... Real knowledge is knowing the extent of one's ignorance.
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From: Mike Roark 13-Nov-99 09:11:20
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Thank you
Hello Linda!
Thursday November 11 1999 12:24, Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark:
MR>> DOS for so long.
LP> It wasn't that I stuck with it, it was I was stuck with it. I've
LP> been running DOS 3.3 until I finally got this new(er) unit (thanks
I can understand that.. Although the first OS/2 install I did was on a
386sx/20 with 8meg. I found out quickly that I needed more power..
LP> to my longsuffering hardware guru, by the way.) I've always wanted
LP> to
LP> run OS/2. Finally got a system that could run OS/2 and hate the
LP> thought of Win9X. (But wait until I get my dream machine 8->. Linux
LP> with EVERYTHING.) Can even think about the possibility of Ineting
The machine you are running Os/2 on will probably handle linux quite nicely.
LP> I really am looking forward to running a system the way I've always
LP> wanted to run it.
LP> And still am looking for a software sound driver. Don't want a sound
LP> card just want the sounds <G>.
What type of sound card?
Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 15h 11m 28s 281ms (en).
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From: Daniela Engert 12-Nov-99 18:56:05
To: George Fliger 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Suppressing popups?
Hi George!
Thus quoth George Fliger to Daniela Engert:
GF> Adding a colon after the "C" will, again, make the statement
GF> invalid.
All of my different Warp installations have nothing to complain about the
colon after the drive letter and behave accordingly.
bye, Dani
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From: Linda Proulx 14-Nov-99 13:27:02
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall
Greetings and Salutations,
Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the
manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard
stop working needs an updated bios.
How to uninstall now?
Anon,
Linda
Anon,
Linda
... Multitask: make twice the mistakes in 1/2 the time.
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From: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 20:47:00
To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: An Inquiring Mind
In a message dated 11-11-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Holger Granholm:
Hi Eddy,
ET>ZOC doesn't need Vmodem for telnetting as client because ZOC has its
ET>own built-in telnet client. If you need a telnet server, I don't
ET>know about ZOC. Vmodem is a telnet client and a telnet server (it
ET>works both ways).
Yes I know. I have tried to find some text on the use of it in ZOC but
the only thing I found was optional parameter /DEV:TELNET.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Lee Aroner 13-Nov-99 16:16:00
To: Ron Nicholls 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: StarOffice
LA> LA> Apparently it changed the assoc for text/html to "Starwriter
LA> LA> HTML
LA> LA> Document", which means that you have to individually change each
RN> In W4
RN> A rexx program in "X:\OS2\setdefv.cmd" may do what you want.
Hmmm....never seen that little puppy before. Notice the file date
too, 6/23/98....hadta come out of a fixpak.
Thanks for the tip Ron...
LRA
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From: Lee Aroner 14-Nov-99 08:15:00
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: FTP & Telenet
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> Larry Snider wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by
LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years.
LP> isn't he the author of X00 ?
Yes, he is.
LRA
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From: Lee Aroner 14-Nov-99 08:17:01
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: FTP & Telenet
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> Albert Sodyl wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
AS> Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest version of
AS> ZOC and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better in my opinion.
LP> Is it Y2Ked? Wonder what the newest version is.
v3.13 for OS/2. There is also a Win version and both will operate
from the same support files (phone books, etc). ZOC is highly
recommended.
LRA
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From: Lee Aroner 14-Nov-99 08:54:02
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Install
A few suggested changes:
LP> IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C
Try 512 or 1024 ^^ ^ Try 16 or 32
(f you have more than 16 megs of memory and are using HPFS)
> SET PROMPT=$i[$p]
Try this as : $p$g and add a line like:
SET DIRCMD=/A/O:GN/P/V
> FILES=20 (Change to 60 or 80)
Change this immediately...20 is too low for win apps and some dos
apps will also choke...
> MAXWAIT=3
On a fast machine you can change this to "2"
> BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS
You may try adding a "/IRQ" after this...don't recall but I
thought that was the default in v3
> BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD
Unless you have a Microchannel machine, REM this out
> BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT
You only need this for reading compressed install type disks,
REM it out if you are done with the installs.
> FCBS=16,8
Set this to "8,4"
> DOS=LOW,NOUMB
You can experiment with "DOS=HIGH,UMB" when everything else is
working properly and if you have DOS apps that need more memory
or if you want to experiment with loading DOS drivers high...
this can also sometimes help with Win apps.
The rest of it looks ok.
LP> Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general data
> directory for all the program. But then haven't had a chance to do a
> lot of playing yet.
Settings for individual applications are on the properties
notebook for the object, accessable by right clicking.
Good luck...
LRA
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From: Dave Davidson 14-Nov-99 14:52:18
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
Now that I have OS/2 loaded and "running", the questions are mounting.....
I know Andy's gonna be "pi**ed" at me for what I did, but here's the way
I have the system's setup at present. Warp 4 on both.
AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 only see's
8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted. Haven't really done much
with that machine as I'm waiting to finish the P120 which will be
dedicated to OS/2 with the 10.3GB and a new 8.3GB HD's and 96MB Ram.
AMD K6/2-450 8.3GB Seagate 4.3GB WD Caviar, both IDE drives, with 128MB
Memory. Dual Boot with WIN98 & OS/2. OS/2 has ALL the WD 4.3GB drive and
"shares" two (2GB) logical drives with WIN98 using FAT16. The "shared"
drives are for primarily for compressed files used by the BBS plus for
data to be burned to CD under WIN98. I also have Terminate on one of
those "shared" drives, so both OS's can use the same copy. So far, each
OS _seems_ to be working OK, with a few OS/2 exceptions noted below...
Most of these questions are probably relatively simple for old OS/2 user's
but remember, I'm a _newbie_ with a lot of "DOS think" to get rid of. <g>
(1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available drives, how
can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE A not ready, simply
because there isn't a disk in the drive?
(2) I have two Internal USR/3Com Sportster 56k modems on COM3 and COM4,
neither of which, is a "WINModem". SIO only registers COM1 and COM2
when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, neither modem is available under
OS/2. I _did_ add the line <COM3:115200,3E8> <COM4:115200,2E8> to the
DEVICE=SIO line in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I need
to do?
(3) With FP9, my Internal ATAPI ZIP Drive _IS_ recognized and used by OS/2
however, the ONLY way I can eject a ZIP disk is to exit OS/2! I can't
swap disks while in OS/2, even if I'm not using it. Is this normal or
am I missing something here as well?
(4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the OS/2 WARP
Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally black background with
just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., displayed. Is this possible and if
so, how?
(5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... Will DOS
Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a ScreenSaver active as
they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few years
and it may take a while to get over the "WIN think" as well. <g>
Specifically, Terminate! Under WIN9x, it will #NOT# answer the phone
when a screen saver is active. To get around this, I use the Power
Management to turn off the Monitor after 30 minutes. Will I have to do
the same with OS/2? Is there a "Power Management" feature easily
assessable under OS/2?
As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up & running, I'm
full of questions that I either couldn't find answers to in the manual or
simply didn't understand. I have a feeling this is just the beginning.<g>
Thanks...
Have a GREAT one!
__ Warped in more ways than one!
Dave Davidson dad50@primary.net
ICQ: 37076334
dad500@aol.com
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From: Jack Stein 12-Nov-99 22:14:29
To: Stewart Honsberger 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Get Going
Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:
JS> The important thing is to install your operating systems on small
JS> partitions. No need to backup up much of your operating system, as
JS> it is already backed up on your install disks.
SH> That's what I've got setup here. I learned my lesson when I
SH> had to re-install everything after my single partition
SH> puked.
SH> OS/2 resides on a 300MeB partition right now, with apps,
SH> etc.. on seperate partitions. I've already had to re-install
SH> OS/2 once, and it was relatively quick and painless.
Are you running WARP 4? I was wondering how much disk space that would
require? I guess it depends a lot on what all you install, and where your put
some of the things.
SH> Just re-install the OS, and re-create icons for the neccesary
SH> applications.
I never did a re-install of OS/2. Most I ever did was overwrite my .ini files
once when I first started using OS/2. I was playing with some goofy thing
that would rebuild them, and it did, right back to the original stuff on first
install. I enjoyed rebuilding things though. I still don't think it would
talk all that much to rebuild my desktop to where it is now, and, I likely
would "lose" some stuff I never use. Thats always a bonus I guess.
I do back up all my ini files now, daily. It would be interesting to see if I
could actually get them reinstalled just by copying them into a new system.
I'll wait until I'm forced to do that though, so far, 9 years later, I still
never had to bother with it. I have them though, just in case:-)
Jack
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From: Jack Stein 12-Nov-99 22:22:18
To: Stewart Honsberger 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Weird windows...
Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein:
SH> 04 Nov 99 00:12, Jack Stein wrote to Sean Dennis:
SD>> --- tty1@afterhours/2 (GoldED/2)
JS>> I assume that is where you want it sent?
JS> No luck there Sean:
JS> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
JS> 550 <tty1@afterhours/2>... Host unknown (Name server: afterhours/2:
JS> host not found)
SH> Obviously "afterhours/2" isn't a hostname.
SH> I don't have the RFC handy at the moment, but I do believe
SH> that "/" is not a valid character in a hostname, as it
SH> implies a path/directory off of said hostname.
Sure didn't look right to me either, but, thats all I had to go by. I didn't
think it would work, and it didn't. I don't recall what he even wanted now,
for all I know, I might have sent it to him already, if he sent me an email
with a good address on it.
Jack
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From: Linda Proulx 14-Nov-99 20:11:12
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Software question
Greetings,
Wonder if there was anything that runs on Warp that will either receive
a fax or transfer the call to voice mail. Another potential option is
to answer if a fax & not answer if not a fax.
Soon,
Linda
Anon,
Linda
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From: Herbert Rosenau 14-Nov-99 15:06:04
To: Albert Sodyl 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
AS> Hmm... I was looking on there, but I could only find Warp 3,
AS> never saw Warp 4 on there :(
Ups! I'm very seldom on ebay.com. Because here in germany we have ebay.de -
ist's german speeking. I'd found there 2 copies of WARP4 (with microphone) for
40 DM (20$). But most of WARP userers are selling thiyr old WARP3 and use
WARP4 self.
I'm own 4 computers so I'd had to find more licenses - but NEW ones are to
expensive for me.
Go to altavista and try a search for WARP4. You'll find it somewhere.
Go into OS/2 newsgroups or market news. Look there.
AS> Hmm, my choice was the latest version of OS/2, right now Warp 4,
AS> you know if there'll be any other ones out later on?
No there is no newer OS/2 client. You can buy a new server, but that is to
prohibitive for private usage.
AS>>> And I don't have a CD rom drive either.
HR>> Do you like to handle with more than 30 diskettes to install an
HR>> OS?. Plus approximate 20 diskettes for a Fixpack + .....?
AS> Not really, but do I have a choice?
Yes. You can buy a CDR drive. :-)
HR>> On ebay you my find a used CDR for a few $.
AS> It's still expensive, plus the shipping and all that stuff, trust
AS> me, I'm not rich enough.
HR>> On other hand if you have got a friend with a CDR you my copy
HR>> all needed diskettes from CD to diskettes. On each WARP CD is a
HR>> .cmd (startable under OS/2) and a .bat (for DOS systems) for
HR>> copying the dikette images to diskettes.
AS> That could be an alternative.
HR>> Hardware requirement for
HR>> WARP 3 WARP 4
HR>> CPU I386 I486 (creeps on 386 too)
HR>> Memory 12 MB 16 MB (with Voice Type 24 or
HR>> more)
HR>> Disk 250 MB 400 MB (including
HR>> swapper.dat)
AS> That's it, now I can forget about getting Warp 3 or Warp 4.
Why? You can buy 8 MB used EDO RAM now for less than $20. You should own all
other you'll ever need for WARP.
AS> I'll stay with the ever crashing OS/2 2.1 :(
Christmas is coming soon. Let your parents, wive and childs make the right
present to you. :-)
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From: Herbert Rosenau 14-Nov-99 15:19:00
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: [WarpCast] OS/2 eBay Report
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Source: (Timur_Tabi@Dell.com)
Moderator: Christopher B. Wright (wrightc@dtcweb.com)
Every Monday, I'll be reporting on OS/2-related items for sale on
http://www.ebay.com and the comp.os.os2.marketplace newsgroup. Even if
you're not thinking about buying anything OS/2 related, you might find
something that catches your interest.
On eBay, there are several copies of OS/2 2.x, Warp 3, Warp 4, and Lotus
applications available for sale, as well as several OS/2 books, mostly for
OS/2 2.x or Warp 3. Recently, I've seen a lot of people try to sell user
manuals and "license packs" for various older versions of OS/2.
Starting this week, I won't be reporting on auctions for Drive Image or
Borland C++ books, since these items seem to be always for auction.
There's not much this week: Comm Manager/2, IBM and McAfee anti-virus, DB2/2
1.0, Lantastic, and Colorworks 1.0. There's a package deal of several
versions of OS/2, FaxWorks Pro, DeScribe Voyager, GalCiv 2, SmartSuite, and
some CD-ROM's.
Someone is also selling an "Orange386 OS/2 Coprocessor 1MB", which is either
a 1MB RAM upgrade for some really old computers or it's a co-processor with
OS/2 support. Unfortunately, the seller doesn't respond to emails, so if
anyone knows what it is, please tell me. Considering the seller has over
6,300 responses and 100+ items for sale at any given time, I suspect that
the seller has no idea what it is. Caveat emptor.
For collectors we have an OS/2 jacket, just in time for Winter.
For programmers, we have: Borland C++ 2.0 for OS/2 (yes, the software, not
just the books) and Brief 3.1.
On comp.os.os2.marketplace, we have: Borland C++ 2.0 (software?), DUX
American dictionary, Links/2, some Lotus software, some Warp 3 CD's.
We finally have something worthwhile on Yahoo. Last week we had some
version of FaxWorks, and this week we have a book on PM programming.
Those of you looking to sell your OS/2 related stuff, I strongly recommend
you put it on eBay and post an announcement on comp.os.os2.marketplace. If
you include the word "OS/2" in the title of your description, I'll see it
and include it in the next report.
If you're looking for OS/2 items on eBay, search on the phrase ("OS/2",OS2),
including the parentheses.
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From: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 08:45:26
To: Fred Springfield 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: PM Sessions
Fred Springfield wrote in a message to All:
FS> I am running Warp 4 + FP10, here, and run all my rexx
FS> programs under Object Rexx. BTW, Object Rexx only works for
FS> me under Warp 4. The add-on version which IBM released for
FS> Warp 3, was never fixed to process dynamic data with the
FS> charin and linein commands, so I can not use it for
FS> communications input to my stock market data reteival
FS> programs.
Fred, could you expand on this problem with Warp 3 and Orexx a bit? I run
OREXX under WARP 3 and everything seems to work with it, although I don't
really use much OREXX specific code. I did find one problem with Lines
function not working with Piped data (do while lines()) but that was overcome
using the streams() function. Is this the issue you speak of, or is there
something else that doesn't work? This was the only problem I found with
OREXX running all my old CREXX code.
Jack
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From: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 09:10:26
To: Murray Lesser 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Andy Roberts:
ML> also. But I have the bad habit of sticking my oar in when I
ML> see that some newbie is getting [what I think is] erroneous
ML> advice. Perhaps we all would be better off if I could just
ML> let it go by :-).
First Andy, now you. If all you guys stop " sticking in your oars" then
people like Linda will be getting all their advice from ME.... have mercy on
their souls...
BTW, I still find it hard to believe someone like you does not use 4OS2/4DOS.
I read your message where you mentioned that, and had to sit on my hands for
10 minutes now... not long enough I guess....
Well, it was designed by, and for, command line finatics... On the other
hand, it's usefulness in OS/2 is not near what it was in DOS, and it is
expensive, and, it is no longer nice shareware, but "crippleware", so I won't
badger you about it, not that I think for one moment I could talk you into it
anyway:-)
Jack
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From: Linda Proulx 14-Nov-99 22:35:04
To: Lee Aroner 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Install
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Lee Aroner wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LA> A few suggested changes:
LP> IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C
LA> Try 512 or 1024 ^^ ^ Try 16 or 32
LA> (f you have more than 16 megs of memory and are using HPFS)
Have 6.
> SET PROMPT=$i[$p]
LA> Try this as : $p$g and add a line like:
LA> SET DIRCMD=/A/O:GN/P/V
Why.
> FILES=20 (Change to 60 or 80)
LA> Change this immediately...20 is too low for win apps and some dos
LA> apps will also choke...
Ok.
> MAXWAIT=3
LA> On a fast machine you can change this to "2"
Speed 25. What is considered fast 75/100? Less, more?
> BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD
LA> Unless you have a Microchannel machine, REM this out
Ok.
> BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT
LA> You only need this for reading compressed install type disks,
LA> REM it out if you are done with the installs.
Ok. Only OS/2 compressed?
> FCBS=16,8
LA> Set this to "8,4"
Again, why?
> DOS=LOW,NOUMB
LA> You can experiment with "DOS=HIGH,UMB" when everything else is
LA> working properly and if you have DOS apps that need more memory
LA> or if you want to experiment with loading DOS drivers high...
LA> this can also sometimes help with Win apps.
According to the book, my hardware memory needed this. Only 6 remember.
LA> The rest of it looks ok.
Good.
LP> Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general data
> directory for all the program. But then haven't had a chance to do a
> lot of playing yet.
LA> Settings for individual applications are on the properties
LA> notebook for the object, accessable by right clicking.
All applications, no matter what?
LA> Good luck...
Thanks, but I think that the beloved clunker just won't cut it. I trust
you've seen my posts about the hang.
Anon,
Linda
... When the need arises, any tool closest to you becomes a hammer.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 13-Nov-99 14:00:02
To: Fred Springfield 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: PM Sessions
Hello Fred,
12 Nov 99 02:31, Fred Springfield wrote to All:
FS> Also unfortunately, PMMail is not a candidate for this project,
FS> because there is no way to get it to do anything automatically upon
FS> opening, such as send, or fetch, the mail.
PMMail does that just fine, it's in the "Account settings" under the tab
"Preferences". And PMMail honores the requested start minimized: yes it starts
minimized if you ask. PMMail has a fine filter system to automate the handling
of messages, PMMail can also call external programs for this and this includes
REXX files. PMMail has also (in the account settings) fields (hooks) for REXX
files to call for "Message Send Exit", "Message Receive Exit", "Custom REXX
Send", "Custom REXX Receive"; and in the PMMail settings under the REXX tab
"Program Open Exit" and "Program Close Exit"; all of which can be set to run
in the foreground or in the background.
I use the OS/2 TCP/IP stack on OS/2 Warp 4 fixpack 9, works great! :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 10:15:24
To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: dos games under Warp 4
Hello Peter,
13 Nov 99 14:59, Peter Knapper wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
PK> There was a fundamental change in the logic of the USE of SWAPPER.DAT
PK> somewhere between V2.0 and V2.11 but I can't remember enough of the
PK> details (it was too long ago) of when all this changed.
I remember a change in swapping pages from .DLL files used by the system
(swapping when previously those pages where not swapt but kept in memory, most
noticeable on systems with 6 MB RAM for example, barely enough memory to run
OS/2).
PK> The main change was that a PAGE in memory that was from the EXECUTABLE
PK> part of a program that NEVER altered, was written to the SWAP file
PK> just ONCE, and subsequently was never written again. This provided a
PK> small performance improvement on systems that were doing a lot of
PK> swapping.
I don't remember that. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I don't remember
this. :)
PK> No, you can't load pages DIRECTLY from the .EXE file itself, the .EXE
PK> file format does not contain an EXACT memory print of what that
PK> application looks like once it is loaded into memory. The only place
PK> such a print could be taken is directly from memory AFTER the .EXE is
PK> loaded.
OK, I forgot about that.
PK> Interestingly, I have been doing a bit of work with NT lately, and of
PK> course I started making comparisons.........;-) One of the first
PK> things I noticed is that NT DEFINATELY bogs down on swap file
PK> performance once your memory is over-committed, even if its only by a
PK> small amount. On the other hand, the OS/2 SWAP file can be quite large
PK> and yet performance seems to be excellent by comparison, barely
PK> noticeable.
This shows how good OS/2 is. :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 10:22:14
To: Albert Sodyl 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
Hello Albert,
11 Nov 99 16:21, Albert Sodyl wrote to EDDY THILLEMAN:
AS> I understand, but it's not like I have a choice, I'd love to have a
AS> CD-ROM drive.
What system do you have?
ET>> Warp 3 can be made Y2000 proof with a recent fixpack, the latest
ET>> fixpack for Warp 3 is fp 40 or 41 (I think). Warp 4 lives longer.
AS> I'll try to get Warp 4 if I can :)
IIRC, Warp 4 requires a cdrom drive because IIRC Warp 4 isn't available on
floppies. OTOH, IIRC, on the Warp 4 cdrom there are floppy disk images so you
could go to someone who has a cdrom drive and a stack of floppies - I don't
know how many, but it's *many* (>30 in total), it takes a *lot* of time to
copy the floppy disk images to floppies, and installation from floppies takes
also a *lot* of time. I would not recommend that. Also, I would not recommend
to run Warp 4 on a 386: very slow if it runs at all - but I haven't tried
that, just that I gathered from reading here and the Warp 4 installation
manual says Warp 4 requires a 486.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 11:45:06
To: James Mckenzie 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: FTP & Telenet
Hello James,
12 Nov 99 19:12, James Mckenzie wrote to Linda Proulx:
JM> SIO package includes several programs, one being VMODEM which can
JM> create a virtual modem connection for programs such as FrontDoor or
JM> Zap-O-Comm (ZOC).
ZOC doesn't need vmodem, it has its own built-in telnet client.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 12:11:27
To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: MsgReader
Hello Rodrigo,
13 Nov 99 04:55, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to All:
RB> I want to know the urls to get all these cool msgreaders.
you could problably find a lot on hobbes or on os2bbs (telnet via internet).
:)
Have you checked bbs's in your neighbourhood?
RB> I may convert from bw pkt for anything of it?
RB> These msgreaders accept bw pkt for reading?
I haven't tried, but the docs of Golded mention specifically working with QWK
packets:
GoldED supports import and export of the QWK offline packet format for
BBS conferences and Internet e-mail and newsgroups. Using this
feature, you can use GoldED as QWK offline reader.
and more specific instructions.
This should make it a snap to convert QWK packets to a messagebase. I don't
know if Bluewave packets are different from QWK packets.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 12:15:00
To: Ron Nicholls 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Tutorial
Hello Ron,
13 Nov 99 00:00, Ron Nicholls wrote to All:
RN> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this weekend.
RN> Just where is it kept ????
You have it installed?? If not, install it. :)
If you have OS/2 Warp 4, it's in the "Assistance Center" folder.
IIRC for Warp 3, open the "Bookshelf" icon (I don't remember its name).
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00
To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: An Inquiring Mind
In a message dated 11-12-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Holger Granholm:
Hello Eddy,
HG> Thanks for the info. That's what was buried deep down in the grey
HG> cells. Yesterday I checked my filed docs but found very little on ZOC.
HG> Mostly evolution history.
ET>what about its file_id.diz file (it mentions telnet on the 1st
ET>line):
Of course I know that!!! But I don't call a file_id.diz for doc's!
It looks as if good reading isn't the most used skill! ;-)
Regards,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM
In a message dated 11-11-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Holger
Granholm:
Hello Jonathan,
JP>> From what ? From the 00GLOBAL.TXT file ? The answer is "yes" as
JP>> long as PC-Board understands and processes the FILES.BBS format.
HG> That's the problem, it doesn't.
JP>What does it use, then ?
Actually the 00GLOBAL.TXT file is in the correct format for PCBoard on
the Walnut Creek CD's but that cannot be said for other CD's.
JP>( I sense an impending challenge to the inhabitants of the OS2REXX
JP>echo. (-: )
Well, the point is that PCBoard wants a separate listing for each
directory on the CD that contains downloadable files.
Previously the "conversion" program was included on the CD as was also
listings in the various BBS formats. But not anymore.
I tried to make use of the previously included programs for the latest
CD I received but for some reason failed several attempts to create the
necessary files.
Reason: I am apparently a bad programmer.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Margin example
In a message dated 11-12-99, Linda Proulx said to All:
Hello Linda,
> And this line means -
> 1. The SWAP file will be SWAPPER.DAT (the standard name for the file)
LP>and it
> 2. Allow the SWAP file to grow to whatever size it needs until there is
LP>NO LE
> 3. At system boot up, DELETE ANY EXISTING SWAPPER.DAT and allocate an
LP>initial
------------------ cut ----------------
There are lines in the mmail.rc that says:
# Wrap quoted text at this column width (including quote marks)
QuoteWrapCols: 72
As you can see, I have it wrapping at 72 columns.
I have the same setting in my editor, QEdit for OS/2 and TSE for DOS.
QEdit/2 is not shareware but TSE2JR4.ZIP is.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00
To: Mike Ruskai 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Missing Window control..
In a message dated 11-12-99, Mike Ruskai said to Will Honea:
Hi Mike,
WH> Mike, was the screwed-up directory attribute in fp10 and 11 or was it
WH> unique to 11? That's the one that made updated directories invisible
WH> to some programs (like Post Road Mailer).
MR>I haven't run into anything like what you describe, but since I'm
MR>not entirely certain what you're asking, I can't say whether or not
MR>the problem exists. I haven't had any programs have trouble seeing
MR>directories which have had their contents changed, if that's close
MR>to what you're getting at.
It was unique to FP11. FP12 corrected that.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Clunker update
In a message dated 11-13-99, Linda Proulx said to All:
Hello Linda,
LP>Got it installed on the clunker.
LP>Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, and won't read the DOS C drive
LP>but has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install). Lost my
LP>inport mouse & hung playing a game. And want to see the DOS C. And
LP>it doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver.
Oh gosh, why did we talk at length about installing it on an extended
logical partition and using advanced installation and Boot Manager?
Totally wasted time!
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00
To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: AMI BIOS date
In a message dated 11-12-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Linda Proulx:
ET>I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have
ET>a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell
ET>where I can find it in this book if it's in there.
ET>Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2
ET>Warp 3" ..........
Look in the Index for "AMI BIOS", it's there in the Warp 3 book.
I won't give the page numbers because mine is printed in Denmark
(in english) and who knows where your book is printed.
Regards,
Holger
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From: Zdravko Blagdan 15-Nov-99 16:06:21
To: all 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: OS/2 3 fixpack
Hi!
Trying to apply y2k fix to OS/2 v 3 (pure out of box) I dowloaded a few
XR_W042.* text files. This is from XR_W042.RM1:
3.0.1 DEVICE DRIVERS REMOVED FROM FIXPAK
Beginning with Warp 4 FixPak XR_M011 and Warp 3 FixPak XR_W041, most OS/2
Device Drivers have been moved to a separate Device Driver FixPak. The
first Device Driver, XR_D001, is now available where this FixPak is
available.
To avoid potential Device Driver problems with the installation of Warp 4
FixPak XR_M011 and Warp 3 FixPak XR_W041, your system should be at FixPak
level XR_M005 or higher for Warp 4 and XR_W032 or higher for Warp 3.
It seems like I have to first download some older fixpack, and then a newest
one. Can that be avoided or which one fixpack is 'enough' good for solving Y2K
and can be applied to the 'out of box' Warp?
Blagi
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From: Tony Pater 12-Nov-99 14:38:22
To: Dan Egli 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: ICQ 2 for OS/2 ?
-=> Quoting Dan Egli to Tony Pater <=-
-=> Quoting Tony Pater to All <=-
TP> Excuse me, know this may sound like a daft question.
TP> I'm trying to use a beta of ICQ for OS/2 (icq153beta)
TP> How does one obtain an ID ?
DE> through the program itself. When you set it up and load for the 1st
DE> time, it asks for your ID. You tell it you don't have one and it starts
DE> to regsiter you.
Thanks a lot Dan .....
TP> Does one need to register with ICQ homepage in order
TP> to 'use' ICQ programmes (of whatever OS) ?
DE> Homepage? No. Network? Yes.
I did go to the homepage using Communicator 4.61 whilst
having the beta ICQ programme loaded.
The clincher in your comment above was to be actually on
the WWW prior to telling ICQ beta "NO" to having an ID.
A minute or so later a message appeared on the screen
informing me of my ICQ ID number.
Regards
Tony
Sydney, Oz
Sat 11-13-1999 12:44:38 am
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From: Tony Pater 13-Nov-99 00:03:14
To: George Fliger 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: ICQ 2 for OS/2 ?
-=> Quoting George Fliger to Tony Pater <=-
GF> On 31 Oct 99 12:51pm, Tony Pater wrote to All:
TP> Excuse me, know this may sound like a daft question.
TP> I'm trying to use a beta of ICQ for OS/2 (icq153beta)
<snip>
GF> You need to go over to www.mirabilis.com (I believe I spelled that
GF> right) and register with them to get an ICQ ID. Once you have that
GF> you should be able to run your ICQ client and fill in your ID
GF> information from what mirabilis.com gave you when you registered.
GF> After that, you're home free.
GF> George
Did go to the http address George (thanks), however, the procedure
is different (It may be true for Windows/Macs, but it's simpler
with this prog).
Basically I had to tell ICQ that I didn't have an ID whilst on
the Web. A minute or so later a pop-up message appeared on the
screen advising my ICQ ID number. There was nothing to indicate
that this ICQ beta as doing this, so I was rummaging around
Mirabilis.com with the java enabled browser. Mirabelis doesn't
have a specific script to get an ID number which is what threw me
before.
Apparently the Windows version of ICQ which comes on a CDrom
does all this automatically. This OS/2 beta doesn't go into
an explanation of how to get an ID ...... it's a background
process and nothing to indicate it's handshaking with Mirabelis
to obtain an ID for a new user.
Thanks for helping me out here ..... it was a real puzzler and
the Mirabelis web pages (being Windows centric) ... no help.
GF> ... Party at Chez Tony!
Hey .... I'm a real killjoy <g>
Zaijian
Tony
Sydney, Oz
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From: James Mckenzie 14-Nov-99 08:09:19
To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hello Eddy!
12 Nov 99 10:36, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx:
ET> Hello Linda,
ET> 09 Nov 99 17:40, Linda Proulx wrote to John Thompson:
JT>>> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only
JT>>> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to
JT>>> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the
JT>>> picture completely at that point.
LP>> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp
LP>> unleashed the minimum date is somewhere in 1990.
ET> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition)
ET> publisher SAMS PUBLISHING
ET> ISBN 0-672-30545-3
ET> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have a
ET> date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell
ET> where I can find it in this book if it's in there.
ET> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp
ET> 3" or in the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book.
It was not in any of those publications, but it was on both AMI's and IBM's
"informational" FTP sites, that the BIOS date must be after 6/1/1991 in order
for OS/2 to "see" all of the system's memory correctly. Of course, this only
applies if you install 16MB or more. It had to do with the memory address bus
configuration. You could install more memory, OS/2 (and amazingly Windows)
could not "see" all of it.
James
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:22:00
To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: file /query
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-13-99 11:16 about file /query...
LP> Hello!
LP> Did the fdisk /query. Here is what it said.
LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP> **BIOS: 504MB
LP> Does this answer anything?
What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of the
partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can be
booted from.
What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:27:00
To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Larry Snider
on 11-13-99 09:59 about Re: FTP & Telenet...
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> Larry Snider wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by
LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years.
LP> isn't he the author of X00 ?
Yes, he is. SIO includes a virtual FOSSIL called VX00.SYS, too. Real DOS
FOSSILs will run in a VDM, but VX00.SYS has much better performance.
Unfortunately, VX00.SYS in the SIO v2 beta is somewhat broken. Some DOS
programs (that require a FOSSIL) don't recognize it.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:29:00
To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to James Mckenzie
on 11-13-99 10:04 about Re: FTP & Telenet...
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> James Mckenzie wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP> Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number?
JM> Should be Y2K compliant. The latest version is 3.12 here. I don't use
JM> the program and cannot due to the authors "anti-combat" clause.
LP> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^??????
LP> This sounds very interesting.^.^
The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military may use
his program. Call it misguided pacifism.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:32:00
To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Re: Get Going
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard
on 11-13-99 12:14 about Re: Get Going...
[snip]
LP> -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea <=-
JdP> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from the
LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried.
Since Jonathan reads/posts sporadically, I'll answer that one for him.
PARTLIST is a program that he wrote, which is in an archive at this
location:
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/misc/os2clu02.zip
It'll not only list the drives, but the entire partition tree.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:38:00
To: RACHEL VERAA 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows
Some senseless babbling from Rachel Veraa to All
on 11-09-99 21:27 about HPFS Filenames to Windows...
RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames
RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files?
Somewhere at hobbes.nmsu.edu there is an IFS for VFAT, which will allow you
to see such drives as long-name capable.
They're based on the Linux EXT2-FS drivers, so they are case-sensitive.
Keep in mind also that the DOS names for the files won't be visible. It'll
only see and deal with the long names.
When I tried them, the WPS didn't know quite how to deal with them, so be
aware that there may be problems.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara 14-Nov-99 06:27:13
To: Ray Geneburn 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: MsgReader
RCB> I want to know the urls to get all these cool msgreaders.
RG> http://www.juge.com
Oh, nice! Thanks.
== Rodrigo Cesar Banhara - rcb@iconet.com.br - icq:37216882 ==
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 20:52:27
To: Ron Nicholls 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Tutorial
RN> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this weekend.
RN>
RN> Just where is it kept ????
[C:\]which tutorial
15-08-1996 02:58:58 pm 62946 8136 _____A
C:\OS2\TUTORIAL.EXE
[C:\]ver
4OS2 3.01A OS/2 Version is 4.00
[C:\]
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 21:19:16
To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: "Paging Peter Knapper! ..."
PK> There was a fundamental change in the logic of the USE of SWAPPER.DAT
PK> somewhere between V2.0 and V2.11 but I can't remember enough of the
PK> details (it was too long ago) of when all this changed. The main
PK> change was that a PAGE in memory that was from the EXECUTABLE part of
PK> a program that NEVER altered, was written to the SWAP file just ONCE,
PK> and subsequently was never written again. This provided a small
PK> performance improvement on systems that were doing a lot of swapping.
In other words: discardable pages, aren't.
I believe (from memory) that the change was that discardable pages were not
discarded when paged out, but instead were written to the swap file.
Discardable pages were, prior to that, re-created from the compressed page
image in the executable file afresh every time that they were demand paged in.
But uncompressing page images could have a significant performance impact on
systems where paging rates were high, as would usually be the case with (say)
6MeB machines, since it would be done for each page-in of a discardable page.
Changing OS/2 so that it only had to uncompress the image of such a page once,
the first time that it was demand paged in, removed this overhead.
» JdeBP «
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 22:12:26
To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: "Paging Peter Knapper! ..."
PK> No, you can't load pages DIRECTLY from the .EXE file itself, the .EXE
PK> file format does not contain an EXACT memory print of what that
PK> application looks like once it is loaded into memory. The only place
PK> such a print could be taken is directly from memory AFTER the .EXE is
PK> loaded.
PK>
PK> Interestingly, I have been doing a bit of work with NT lately, and of
PK> course I started making comparisons.........;-) One of the first
PK> things I noticed is that NT DEFINATELY bogs down on swap file
PK> performance once your memory is over-committed, even if its only by a
PK> small amount. On the other hand, the OS/2 SWAP file can be quite
PK> large and yet performance seems to be excellent by comparison, barely
PK> noticeable.
It's worth noting some interesting things about Windows NT when compared to
OS/2 Warp in this respect. The "portable executable", PE, format for
executable files used in Win32 *does* contain an exact image in the file of
the page as it is to be loaded into memory. When Windows NT demand loads a
page, it doesn't need to uncompress its contents. Indeed, in most cases it
doesn't need to perform relocation fixups either, because of a trick used when
creating Win32 import libraries that means that all of the fixups to
references imported from other modules are concentrated in a single place.
(This trick is actually not specific to the PE executable format, and can be
duplicated on OS/2 with the LX executable format as well. I have a
replacement OS2386.LIB that does it for fixups to the various system API DLLs,
if anyone is interested.)
The disadvantage, of course, is that reading in a page from DASD is more
expensive on Windows NT than it usually is on OS/2. In the 32-bit LX
executable format used by OS/2, the compression scheme will shrink the size of
page images in the file quite noticably. Picking the file \OS2\CMD.EXE at
random, we notice that in memory object 1 all of the page sizes are between
3584 and 3072 bytes, a reduction in size by between 12% and 25%. Because of
the compression used in the LX executable format, to demand page in a 4KiB
page the program loader in the OS/2 kernel often doesn't actually need to read
4KiB of data from disc.
On Windows NT, however, pages are the same size when stored on disc as they
are in memory, because the PE executable file format doesn't have compression.
So for every 4KiB page to be demand loaded, Windows NT has to read an entire
4KiB of data from disc.
It's worth noting that Windows NT attempts to compensate for this fact by the
fact that NTFS has a minimum cluster size of 4KiB. With HPFS on OS/2, the
smallest I/O transaction can be as small as a single 512 byte (0.5KiB) sector,
since that is the allocation unit size. Reading in a 3072-byte compressed
page image thus only need involve reading six or seven sectors, not eight.
With NTFS on Windows NT, since the smallest allocation unit size for the
filesystem is 4KiB *anyway*, it doesn't make any difference that the program
loader needs to read a full eight sectors for each 4KiB page (or even 9 or 10
sectors if the developer hasn't page-aligned the executable properly, which is
possible if he has played around with the linker flags). It couldn't read
less even if it wanted to.
The most obvious effect of this design is that PE executables are much larger
than LX executables. A page containing repeated data (such as an initialised
data page that is mostly zeroes, for example) compresses very well in an LX
executable. By contrast, a PE executable file contains a whole page's worth
of bytes for such a page. Viewing PE and LX executables with a hex file
viewer is most instructive. PE executables often have large runs of repeated
data, most often large runs of zero bytes. LX executables generally do not.
(I say "generally", because if they use Watcom C/C++ the linker doesn't
support compression, alas. This is a deficiency in Watcom's linker, and an
unfortunate example of the "jack of all trades, master of none" adage.) This
is, of course, visible in the comparative sizes of Win32 and 32-bit OS/2
executables.
One particular irony of the "uncompressing pages during a page-in is
expensive, so we don't do it" philosophy embodied in the PE executable file
format design is that NTFS can compress file data behind the scenes on the
disc. So if an executable file is on an NTFS volume and NTFS has compressed
it when storing it on disc, the overhead of uncompressing data each time that
there is a page in operation won't have been avoided. All that has changed in
reality is the portion of the system that actually performs it. Rather than
having the uncompression done by the process loader, it is done by the
filesystem driver. It is still done.
Another further irony is that making the executable file format
uncompressable, but having compression in the filesystem itself, means that
the page data in the in-memory file cache are uncompressed, because of course
that is how they are in the file itself. In contrast, when an LX executable
file is cached on OS/2 the page data *are* compressed, and less RAM is
required to cache the file contents as a result. This is one contributory
factor (of many, alas) to the greater physical memory needs that Windows NT
has when compared to 32-bit OS/2.
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From: Sean Dennis 14-Nov-99 11:45:23
To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Mail reader
Hello, Eddy.
-=> Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Linda Proulx:
LP>> Know about MultiMail but what other y2k Os2 readers are there?
Let's not forget FleetStreet, which is now open source. I'm running the
latest version of it (1.25, I do believe). It's PM-based and quite nice; I
used GoldEd/2 for the longest time but found FleetStreet to be much easier to
use.
You can get FleetStreet from the author's page
(http://www.kaneff.de/~mike/fleetstreet) or you can email FREQ it from me as
FLEET125.ZIP.
Later,
Sean
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From: Sean Dennis 14-Nov-99 11:50:03
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Email FREQs...
Hello, All.
Just a short note-I have seen some of the people in here FREQ stuff from my
system...
Please note that there are NO periods after the filenames on my systems...
when you write a sentence, you usually end it with a period... ;)
For example, I saw one roll in this morning with:
FREQ SIOFAQ.
Internet Rex promptly send a help file. :)
It's FREQ SIOFAQ if you want the file.
Just thought all of you should know who want to get files from my system. ;)
Later,
Sean
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 13-Nov-99 12:19:00
To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Clunker update
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-13-99 01:31 about Clunker update...
LP> Greetings,
LP> Got it installed on the clunker.
LP> Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, and won't read the DOS C drive
LP> but has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install). Lost my
LP> inport mouse & hung playing a game. And want to see the DOS C. And it
LP> doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver.
LP> But then it only has 6 MB & I admit I did not try to make the swap
LP> file on the 3rd partition. And it has the old bios.
LP> Multiboot works fine, though.
You're not seeing drive C because you installed OS/2 on a primary
partition, which every piece of advice you've had argued against.
Only one primary partition per drive can be visible during any one boot.
6MB is pretty tight for something like OS/2. I did install Warp 3 on a
PS/2 Model 70 with 6MB of RAM a while back, but I wouldn't even try
networking. That's just not enough RAM.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... MS isn't the answer. It's the question. HELL NO is the answer.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 13-Nov-99 12:29:00
To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Get Going
Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Will Honea
on 11-11-99 11:22 about Get Going...
WH> I'm at least curious as to how OS/2 is gonna react ;-}
JDBP> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify
JDBP> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-:
JDBP> By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source), Process_Partition()
JDBP> takes the first recognisable partition in the MBR that it finds, and
JDBP> Build_Next_VolCB() only calls it once per MBR.
JDBP> The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to
JDBP> take the for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move it
JDBP> into both Build_Next_VolCB() and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it along
JDBP> the way so that it doesn't exit prematurely any more by removing the
JDBP> `found' logic, and make Process_Partition() take the current loop index
JDBP> as an extra parameter instead.
JDBP> Daniela ?
Ironically, such a change could make OS/2 bootable from a primary partition
that isn't the first, while you still couldn't boot DOS or WinXX from such
a setup on any but the first primary partition, given their requirement of
booting from C:.
But I still don't see why it should be done. If DOS (i.e. Win95) could
boot from a logical drive, I wouldn't have any primary partitions (Win95 is
used only for games, needless to say).
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
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From: Rachel Veraa 09-Nov-99 21:27:04
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames between
HPFS and Windows 95 files?
Cheers,
Rachel
http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/
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From: Sean Dennis 12-Nov-99 08:00:19
To: Holger Granholm 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Suppressing popups?
Hello, Holger.
-=> Replying to a message of Holger Granholm to Sean Dennis:
SD>> I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error
SD>> messages in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an
SD>> "invalid statement" error upon bootup concerning that. Any ideas
SD>> how or why that isn't working anymore?
HG> Please read the docs for FP11. Everything you should have to know
HG> about suppresspopups is there.
OK. Will do. Thanks for the info!
(That'll teach ME to listen to my own advice of RTFM... ;)
Later,
Sean
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From: Sean Dennis 12-Nov-99 08:01:10
To: Gene Tucker 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: Vmodem/Sio Faq
Hello, Gene.
-=> Replying to a message of Gene Tucker to Sean Dennis:
GT> For whcih version of SIO? 1.60d or the new old beta?
1.60d. I haven't tried the new beta as some of my other friends have tried it
and have told me it's buggy and cantankerous. I simply haven't had time to
investigate it. :)
Later,
Sean
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From: Sean Dennis 12-Nov-99 08:02:09
To: Holger Granholm 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ
Hello, Holger.
-=> Replying to a message of Holger Granholm to Sean Dennis:
SD>> If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... explains how to
SD>> set it up. Let me know.
HG> If it brings anything new in addition to the docs, I'd be interested.
It does mention that infamous - parameter that seems to be buried in the docs.
Basically, it shows what I've done on my system and explains a little from my
own experience. A lot of people have asked me for it... I wrote it simply for
people that are setting up SIO/VModem for the first time and are unsure how to
go about it.
It was written to make it easier for neobyte(!) OS/2 sysops to get their
boards up 'n runnin' correctly with SIO/VModem. I was going to post it in
here, but I didn't think that was appropriate.
I'll post a small message in here with instructions on how to email FREQ it
from my system.
Later,
Sean
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From: Sean Dennis 12-Nov-99 08:06:27
To: ALL 15-Nov-99 21:24:16
Subj: SIO/VModem FAQ?
Hello, ALL.
If any of you are interested in the SIO/VModem FAQ I wrote:
To get it via email FREQ:
1) Send a message to ah2@softhome.net with the subject of FREQ.
2) In the message, use FREQ SIOFAQ.
3) To request an ALLFILE listing, use FREQ ALLFILES.
4) For help, use FREQ HELP.
My system normally does auto-maintanence at 0400 CST and your files
will be sent off then, unless I do it manually. All files are attached via
MIME attachments.
Or, if you can't do that, netmail me and I'll be happy to send it to you!
If you have any suggestions, corrections or comments about it, those are also
welcome.
Later,
Sean
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From: Ray Geneburn 13-Nov-99 08:24:01
To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara 15-Nov-99 21:47:06
Subj: MsgReader
Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to All:
RCB> I want to know the urls to get all these cool msgreaders.
http://www.juge.com
Regards,
Ray
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From: Jack Pfisterer 13-Nov-99 17:33:00
To: All 15-Nov-99 21:47:06
Subj: Another leaky fixpak?
Pressured by my bank to upgrade Netscape, I finally got around to
ordering WarpUp! from Indelible Blue, and installed Netscape 4.61,
Java 1.1.8, FixPak 12 and other goodies from it.
WarpUp! is a neat package, worth a lot more than what Indelible
Blue charges for it (but don't quote me)! Not so some of its
contents.
Not only does my new and improved system demand more memory, there's
a memory leak. Before the upgrades, my swap file was set at two
megs and was never detected exceeding it. No longer. I'm seeing
swap files of 20 megs or more.
I presume that the new and improved Netscape and Java want more
memory up front; but I just left the system unattended for a few
hours, and during that time the swap file grew from 9 megs to 19
megs with no real activity.
With that, attempts to start programs produce a "not enough memory
to run" error messages, even though there is ample disk space for
expansion of the swap file. Thus, there may be a bug in the overall
memory-management/swap-file-management function.
Suggestions would be appreciated. (BTW, I've already installed
pmmerge.dll from pmr00052. I think it improved things a bit; but
obviously not enough.)
Jack P.
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From: Will Honea 15-Nov-99 20:17:00
To: Dave Davidson 15-Nov-99 20:17:00
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
Dave Davidson wrote to All on 11-14-1999
DD> (2) I have two Internal USR/3Com Sportster 56k modems on COM3 and COM4,
DD> neither of which, is a "WINModem". SIO only registers COM1 and COM2
DD> when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, neither modem is available under
DD> OS/2. I _did_ add the line <COM3:115200,3E8> <COM4:115200,2E8> to the
DD> DEVICE=SIO line in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I need
DD> to do?
Two things to try (both accomplish the same thing - pick 1) Open the
System->Hardware Manager, click on the button at the upper left corner
and select properties. On the first page, select to do a Full Hardware
detection on the next boot.
The other way to do this is to hit ALT-F1 when the 'boot blob' (white
square followed by 'OS/2') appears in the upper left corner of the
screen during boot. Select full hardware detect from the full screen
menu this gets you.
Odds on, you have com3 sharing an IRQ (4) with Com1 and com4 sharing
an IRQ (3) with com2. OS/2 will not allow this - gotta have unique
IRQ's or one of the boards supported by SIO to share IRQ's. If there
is no mouse on com1/com2, you might sneak by if you tell SIO what IRQ
to use (com3,3e8,4) (com4,2e8,3). That used to work at lower speeds
but I haven't tried it in a while.
DD> (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the OS/2 WARP
DD> Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally black background with
DD> just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., displayed. Is this possible and
if
DD> so, how?
RMB on the open desktop, properties->background and set what ever you
want.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 15-Nov-99 20:25:01
To: George White 15-Nov-99 20:25:01
Subj: Re: Network
George White wrote to Peter Knapper on 11-11-1999
GW> page 300 there is a section on AMI BIOS. Page 301, General Rules:
GW>
GW> "If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should be
GW> 040990 or later for use with any operating system, including DOS.
GW> Special timing requirements of IDE drives were accomodated on the
GW> date noted.
George, you miss a very large point here: if the BIOS will support the
IDE drive enough to get far enough into the boot to load IBM1S506.ADD
it doesn't matter WHAT the BIOS timings are - they are totally
irrelevant from that point on. Hence the advice: boot the system and
try it. If you can install, press on and don't look back. She's been
running DOS/WIN on the machine so unless the drives are changed out it
can obviously read the disk and probably hasn't read the IBM docs so it
doesn't know any better. The same goes for the keyboard bios problems.
I had one of who knows how many boards with out-of-date keyboard
micros that failed. The rest chugged on.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 15-Nov-99 20:35:02
To: Zdravko Blagdan 15-Nov-99 20:35:02
Subj: OS/2 3 fixpack
Zdravko Blagdan wrote to all on 11-15-1999
ZB> Trying to apply y2k fix to OS/2 v 3 (pure out of box) I
ZB> dowloaded a few XR_W042.* text files. This is from
ZB> XR_W042.RM1:
ZB>
ZB> 3.0.1 DEVICE DRIVERS REMOVED FROM FIXPAK
FP40 is the last fixpak that will apply to Warp 3 unless you have a
support contract from IBM and get special versions of the later fixpaks
from IBM support (expen$ive!) or cheat and modify syslevel.os2. FP 41
an up are intended for Warp Server 4 ONLY. That said, FP40 has device
driver updates and is rock solid. I would suggest that as the one and
only you need to apply.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 15-Nov-99 20:43:03
To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 20:43:03
Subj: Setup
Linda Proulx wrote to All on 11-13-1999
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP>
LP> Have an install question. (I know your thinking here we go again
LP> <G>)
LP>
LP> I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other
LP> stuff on another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work
LP> around to do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to
LP> wait until after I do all the jury rig? Would love to do it during
LP> the original install & didn't see anything on the advance install.
Assuming the alternate drive is formatted and accessible during
install, continue the install to the point that you are instructed to
reboot (or remove the floppy from drive A, etc) then hit F3 and go to
the command line. Use TEDIT to edit config.sys to read like you want
then reboot.
If you can't catch it there, then hit ALT-F1 when the 'boot blob'
(white square in the upper left of the screen during boot). Select the
option to go to the command line and do the changes as above.
It's less grief to just wait til the install is done then make all the
changes at once with a subsequent reboot.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Ron Nicholls 14-Nov-99 12:08:00
To: All 14-Nov-99 12:08:00
Subj: Netscape416
I stumbled across this accidently. If one holds
the mouse button down on the back/forward
icons a popup history menu appears
-
-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Ron Nicholls 14-Nov-99 18:22:01
To: George White 14-Nov-99 18:22:01
Subj: Missing Window control..
GW> The latest versions of Henk Kelders WPTOOLS package CHECKINI will
GW> force a restart of the WPS at the end of a run with correction
GW> enabled
He's no longer at hobbes.
Do you have an address.
-
-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 17:37:10
To: All 16-Nov-99 03:46:08
Subj: Dos C drive
Greetings,
If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would
OS/2 see it then.
Anon,
Linda
... 586, 32Mb 40ns RAM, 4Gb 2ms HD. Now Windows will beat DOS!
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 09:41:14
To: Steve Wendt 16-Nov-99 03:46:08
Subj: DESKARC LIST
[ This is a précis of a message in the TAUCMD echo. ]
SW> DESKARC LIST produces no output here.
About three months ago, I posted a question asking if anyone knew the internal
structure of \OS2\ARCHIVES\ARCHIVES.$$$ . Once I know that, I can add code to
DESKARC to pretty-print the information contained in it when the LIST option
is used.
Unfortunately, I've had no replies, and I don't have the time to sit down with
a hex viewer and work out the structure of the file myself. If anyone reading
this wants to do so, I'd be grateful. I gather that there are several people
who are interested in the tools when they are finished but who don't have
enough spare time to cope with the full cycle of installing and using
pre-releases as I shovel them out, even though they would like to contribute
something if they could. This is their chance. If they want to make a more
modest contribution, one which won't be as demanding of their time, figuring
out the structure of ARCHIVES.$$$ can be it.
Let me know what it is, and I'll implement the LIST option of the DESKARC
command.
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From: Murray Lesser 16-Nov-99 06:42:01
To: Stewart Buckingham 16-Nov-99 06:42:01
Subj: FixPak Follies
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-13-99, Stewart Buckingham to Murray
Lesser)
Hi Stewart--
> Nonsense! Even assuming that FixPak 12 is bug free (which I doubt),
> there is no value to me in applying a FixPak to a system that isn't
> broken (as far as my usage is concerned) unless it adds new function
> that I would find to be useful (which none since Warp 4 FixPak 5 have
> done). You and RH may get pleasure from being able to brag that you are
> operating at the highest Warp level. But I spent too many years being
> paid to live on computing's bleeding edge to do it for fun. AFAIAC, the
> tagline is still valid.
SB>My memory may be failing, but I thought it was FP6 which made Warp4
>Y2K compliant. (However, it may have been FP5... in which case you
>are alright). I think this may have been the concern of some of the
>mail you have received. Other than that, I'm a firm believer in the
>old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (I've done it too many
>times myself).
IIRC, FixPak 6 added the Euro, and a few additional Y2k things.
Mostly (AFAIK) two additional REXX functions to return 4-digit years
when returning file dates. These are totally unnecessary, because there
is a simple workaround to make 4-digit years out of the "standard"
returned 2-digit years, that will work with both REXX pre-FixPak 5 and
the later version. (It was easier with the pre-FixPak 5 version of
REXX.DLL, but you know how FixPaks are.) In any case, the Y2K fixes
were all for the OS/2 add-ons. Whether or not you need them, depends on
how much of the OS/2 extra goodies you have installed. There is no
problem with the OS/2 system clock; there wasn't any with Warp 3,
either, even if you have the buggy BIOS. As the gurus say: OS/2 is not
DOS!
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser 16-Nov-99 06:45:02
To: Jack Stein 16-Nov-99 06:45:02
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-13-99, Jack Stein to Murray Lesser)
Hi Jack--
JS>BTW, I still find it hard to believe someone like you does not use
>4OS2/4DOS. I read your message where you mentioned that, and had to
>sit on my hands for 10 minutes now... not long enough I guess....
JS>Well, it was designed by, and for, command line finatics...
> On the other hand, it's usefulness in OS/2 is not near what it was
>in DOS, and it is expensive, and, it is no longer nice shareware,
>but "crippleware", so I won't badger you about it, not that I think
>for one moment I could talk you into it anyway:-)
I guess I am just a software Luddite at heart; after all, I don't
believe in Object Rexx, either :-). I thought I was explicit enough in
my reply to Mike on why I don't use, nor like, third-party substitutes
for CMD.EXE. As I said, if I want such "conveniences" I write them
myself. I prefer dealing with my idiosyncrasies to dealing with someone
else's. Too hard to remember the command language, otherwise.
I don't believe in Partition Magic, or any of the WPS enhancers,
either. But, you pays your money and takes your choice :-).
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 19:30:20
To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06
Subj: Re: Clunker update
Hi Linda,
LP> Reinstalled the WIN. Voila working.
Ok, will ignore any DOS/Win issues then...
PK> - Is it FAT or HPFS?
LP> HPFS. Put the swap on D FAT 16.
Uhg....FAT!..;-( You have possibly just destroyed any gain you had by placing
it on another drive. The Swap file performs best when -
- It can be QUICKLY accessed!
- It is written as ONE CONTIGUOUS AREA of disk. HPFS is excellent for a SWAP
file, FAT is just about the worst place to store it. Put it back on the C:
drive.... NOW!.......;-)
PK> - How much FREE disk space does it have?
LP> Sorry forgot.
As long as your C: drive has plenty of room (say 100Mb BEFORE your SWAP file
is placed there) you shuld be fine.
JP> and won't read the DOS C drive
PK> If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not
PK> surprising.
LP> In multiboot says it's hidden. How do I change this with the Fdisk. D
LP> is fine.
I dont know Multi-boot so others can probably handle this better. I suspect
you may have to turn some of those Primary partitions back into Logical
drives........;-(
LP> Lost my inport mouse
PK> It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into
LP> It auto detected but it keeps disappearing & had to use the keyboard
LP> to load down. That is a real oucher. Mine is an MS Buss mouse.
If its disappearing after/while running a DOS/Win session, then you may need
to investigate the DOS settings that relate to the MOUSE for the application
that is having the problem. Sometimes DOS programs have the mouse driver
built-in because a MOUSE is not always standard under DOS. When those
applications run in a DOS box under OS/2, they are prevented from talking
directly to the mouse, so you may need to "tweak" a setting to allow that
specific application direct access. Caution: Sometimes this can be a rocky
ride if the application fiddles with the mouse settings that then take affect
in OS/2 (or other DOS) windows... You may need to play with this a bit to get
it working ok, it really depends on WHAT the DOS S/W does to the mouse.
LP> & hung playing a game.
PK> What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not
LP> respond to keystrokes
LP> Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time.
If this is also a DOS application, then you need to investigate the DOS
settings. This one is tricky, there are a LOT of options and a slight change
on one of them is all that may be needed to resolve this problem. Post details
of the specific application and someone may be able to suggest some known
settings.
LP> And want to see the DOS C.
LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I
LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment.
PK> primary partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek
PK> without a paddle, however some of the other folks here may be able to
PK> provide a few tricks to resolve this.
LP> I think Fdisk will fix this. After all I'm using Drive D. Just ansy
LP> about playing with the DOS partition at the moment.
I am now confused, I though OS/2 installed to drive C!!! If not, what
partition is it seeing as C: ???
LP> But then it only has 6 MB
PK> That should have no affect on the issues you have seen.
PK> It will inhibit some things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)).
LP> Stutter?
Only if you run too much.......;-) At least you have a road to head down now,
just watch out for the pot-holes
BTW: What is the processor in that machine?
Cheers..........pk.
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From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 20:28:13
To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06
Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall
Hi Linda,
LP> Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the
LP> manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard
LP> stop working needs an updated bios.
Nope, once the OS/2 Desktop is visible, the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture
and NO AFFECT on the Keyboard/Mouse. Your "problems" are nothing to do with
the BIOS, they are just settings that need some tweaking for the offending
applications!
LP> How to uninstall now?
You are making a big mistake if you uninstall on the incorrect assumption you
have just made.
In your case, the OS/2 partition is formatted HPFS, which is of no use to you
now so you may as well just format it FAT. You will need to boot to DOS or
OS/2 floppy to Format a partition that is "active" under OS/2 (EG the OS/2
boot partition).
No Linda please dont do it, don't jump!.........;-)
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From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 21:53:29
To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06
Subj: Re: Clunker update
Hi Linda,
LP> Reinstalled the WIN. Voila working.
Ok, will ignore any DOS/Win issues then...
PK> - Is it FAT or HPFS?
LP> HPFS. Put the swap on D FAT 16.
Uhg....FAT!..;-( You have possibly just destroyed any gain you had by placing
it on another drive. The Swap file performs best when -
- It can be QUICKLY accessed!
- It is written as ONE CONTIGUOUS AREA of disk. HPFS is excellent for a SWAP
file, FAT is just about the worst place to store it. Put it back on the C:
drive.... NOW!.......;-)
PK> - How much FREE disk space does it have?
LP> Sorry forgot.
As long as your C: drive has plenty of room (say 100Mb BEFORE your SWAP file
is placed there) you should be fine.
JP> and won't read the DOS C drive
PK> If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not
PK> surprising.
LP> In multiboot says it's hidden. How do I change this with the Fdisk. D
LP> is fine.
I dont know Multi-boot so others can probably handle this better. I suspect
you may have to turn some of those Primary partitions back into Logical
drives........;-(
LP> Lost my inport mouse
PK> It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into
LP> It auto detected but it keeps disappearing & had to use the keyboard
LP> to load down. That is a real oucher. Mine is an MS Buss mouse.
If the MOUSE disappearing after/while running a DOS/Win session, then you may
need to investigate the DOS settings that relate to the MOUSE for the
application that is having the problem. Sometimes DOS programs have the mouse
driver built-in because a MOUSE is not always standard under DOS. When those
applications run in a DOS box under OS/2, they are prevented from talking
directly to the mouse, so you may need to "tweak" a DOS setting to allow that
specific application direct access. Caution: Sometimes this can be a rocky
ride if the application fiddles with the mouse settings that then take affect
in ALL other OS/2 (or other DOS) windows... You may need to play with this a
bit to get it working ok, it really depends on WHAT the DOS S/W does to the
mouse. Either way you should be able to get something working.
LP> & hung playing a game.
PK> What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not
PK> respond to keystrokes
LP> Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time.
If this is also a DOS application, then you need to investigate the DOS
settings. This one is tricky, there are a LOT of options and a slight change
on one of them is all that may be needed to resolve this problem. Post details
of the specific application and someone may be able to suggest some known
settings.
Have a browse around the DOS Settings, you will find a LOT of options
availabe. Many of these allows you to tweak that specific application and
these often can work wonders. If you need more help, then it would cetainly
pay to indicate what the application name is (IE what the executable filename
is).
LP> And want to see the DOS C.
LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I
LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment.
PK> primary partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek
PK> without a paddle, however some of the other folks here may be able to
PK> provide a few tricks to resolve this.
LP> I think Fdisk will fix this. After all I'm using Drive D. Just ansy
LP> about playing with the DOS partition at the moment.
I am now confused, I though you had OS/2 installed to drive C!!! If OS/2 is on
D:, then what partition is OS/2 seeing as C: ???
Remember, if you quote drive letters, make sure everyone understands what OS
you have booted that sees them as those letters, and relevant, also indicate
how OS/2 sees them when its running...
LP> But then it only has 6 MB
PK> That should have no affect on the issues you have seen.
PK> It will inhibit some things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)).
LP> Stutter?
Only if you try and run too much.......;-) At least you have a road to head
down now, just watch out for the pot-holes. 6MB is not a lot of memory, so
things will not be fast.
BTW: What is the processor in that machine anyway?
Cheers..........pk.
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From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 22:08:25
To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06
Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall
Hi Linda,
LP> Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the
LP> manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard
LP> stop working needs an updated bios.
No, you are getting distracted again. Once the OS/2 Desktop is visible, then
the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture and has absolutely NO AFFECT on the
Keyboard/Mouse. The "stop working" referred to above refers to when the BIOS
is in control of the Keyboard/Mouse during the initial boot process.
Your "MOUSE problems" are nothing to do with the BIOS at all, they are just
settings that need some tweaking for the offending applications!
LP> How to uninstall now?
You are making a big mistake if you uninstall on the incorrect assumption you
have just made.
If you still wish to remove OS/2, then OS/2 partition is formatted HPFS, which
is of no use to you now so you may as well just format that partition as FAT.
You will need to boot to DOS or OS/2 floppy to be able to Format a partition
that is "active" under OS/2 (EG the OS/2 boot partition).
No Linda, please dont do it, don't jump!.........;-)
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From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 22:26:03
To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06
Subj: Re: Clunker update
Hi Linda,
LP> Reinstalled the WIN. Voila working.
Great...
PK> - Is it FAT or HPFS?
LP> HPFS. Put the swap on D FAT 16.
Uhg....FAT!..;-( You have possibly just destroyed any gain you had by placing
it on another drive. The Swap file performs best when -
- It can be QUICKLY accessed!
- It is written as ONE CONTIGUOUS AREA of disk.
HPFS is excellent for a SWAP file because space is allocated in bands, so
files that expand in size are nearly always contiguous. FAT is just about the
worst place to store a Swap file, because FAT fragments so easily (unless you
force a pre-allocated Swap file of a fixed size on a recently compressed
partition). Put it back on the C: (HPFS) drive.... NOW!.......;-)
PK> - How much FREE disk space does it have?
LP> Sorry forgot.
As long as your C: drive has plenty of room (say 100Mb BEFORE your SWAP file
is placed there) you should be fine.
JP> and won't read the DOS C drive
PK> If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not
PK> surprising.
LP> In multiboot says it's hidden. How do I change this with the Fdisk. D
LP> is fine.
I dont know Multi-boot so others can probably handle this better. I suspect
you may have to turn some of those Primary partitions back into Logical drives
to do what you want........;-(
LP> Lost my inport mouse
PK> It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into
LP> It auto detected but it keeps disappearing & had to use the keyboard
LP> to load down. That is a real oucher. Mine is an MS Buss mouse.
Ahaaaa. If the MOUSE is disappearing after/while running a DOS/Win session,
then you may need to investigate the DOS settings for that session and check
out the settings that relate to the MOUSE. Sometimes DOS programs have the
mouse driver code built-in, because a MOUSE is not always standard under DOS.
When those applications run in a DOS box under OS/2, they are prevented from
talking directly to the mouse, so you may need to "tweak" a DOS setting to
allow that specific application direct access.
Caution: Sometimes this can be a rocky ride if the application fiddles with
the mouse settings that then take affect in ALL other OS/2 (or other DOS)
windows... You may need to play with this a bit to get it working ok, it
really depends on WHAT the DOS S/W does to the mouse. Either way you should be
able to get something working.
LP> & hung playing a game.
PK> What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not
PK> respond to keystrokes
LP> Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time.
If this is also a DOS application, then you need to investigate the DOS
settings. This one is tricky, there are a LOT of options and a slight change
on one of them is all that may be needed to resolve this problem. Post details
of the specific application and someone may be able to suggest some known
settings.
Have a browse around the DOS Settings, you will find a LOT of options
availabe. Many of these allows you to tweak that specific application and
these often can work wonders. If you need more help, then it would cetainly
pay to indicate what the application name is (IE what the executable filename
is).
LP> And want to see the DOS C.
LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I
LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment.
PK> primary partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek
PK> without a paddle, however some of the other folks here may be able to
PK> provide a few tricks to resolve this.
LP> I think Fdisk will fix this. After all I'm using Drive D. Just ansy
LP> about playing with the DOS partition at the moment.
I am now confused, I though you had OS/2 installed to drive C!!! If OS/2 is on
D:, then what partition is OS/2 seeing as C: ???
Remember, if you quote drive letters, make sure everyone understands what OS
you have booted that sees them as those letters, and if relevant, also
indicate how OS/2 sees them when its running...
LP> But then it only has 6 MB
PK> That should have no affect on the issues you have seen.
PK> It will inhibit some things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)).
LP> Stutter?
Only if you try and run too fast.......;-) At least you have a road to head
down now, just watch out for the pot-holes. 6MB is not a lot of memory, so
things will not be fast, and dont open up too many windows just yet. Once you
get a better feeling for how things are running you can tweak these and can
end up with better settings for each of your DOS sessions, but it will take
time and understanding to work it all out.
BTW: What is the processor in that machine anyway?
Cheers..........pk.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 15-Nov-99 19:13:00
To: ALL 16-Nov-99 09:08:06
Subj: "Paging Peter Knapper! ..
Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Peter Knapper
on 11-13-99 22:12 about "Paging Peter Knapper! .....
[snip]
JDBP> runs of zero bytes. LX executables generally do not. (I say
JDBP> "generally", because if they use Watcom C/C++ the linker doesn't
JDBP> support compression, alas. This is a deficiency in Watcom's linker,
JDBP> and an unfortunate example of the "jack of all trades, master of none"
JDBP> adage.) This is, of course, visible in the comparative sizes of Win32
JDBP> and 32-bit OS/2 executables.
[snip]
FYI, folks, one needn't rely on the compression abilities of a linker in
OS/2 to compress an executable.
There's a utility called LxLite which you can use to compress or recompress
an executable.
It's important to note that there are two levels of compression in the LX
format - code and data. OS/2 2.x only supports data compression, but Warp
3 and later supports both code and data compression. LxLite can be
configured to do both or either.
The best part is that it does a better job of compressing than any linker
I've seen, including IBM's LINK386.
It will also strip debug information from an executable, unless you tell it
otherwise. Useful for released programs which the distributor neglected to
link without the debugging info, usually increases the size of the
executable by over 100%.
One can be surprised by how much space is regained after running LxLite on
every executable on a large drive. When I did it to my primary data drive,
which is about 1.3GB of stuff in 50,000 files or so, I gained over 60MB.
In general, LxLite decreases the executable size by 25% if it wasn't
compressed at all (but doesn't contain debugging info - stripping debug
info usually more than halves the size), and by around 10% over what's
already been compressed by LINK386 with the /EXEPACK:2 switch.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... Alzheimer's advantage - new friends every day.
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From: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 23:52:16
To: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 12:15:03
Subj: Re: Clunker update
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
WH> You're gonna hear this a lot: One visible primary partition per drive
WH> is visible (I told you so!). As for the printer, it will work as Epson
WH> Generic 9-pin, Epson MX80 9-pin, Epson Generic pass-thru, or even the
WH> IBM NULL printer.
It sees the DOS C drive in fdisk. Wondering if I changed it from
bootable to installable like I did with the E partition if it could be
seen. Just a little afraid with that partition. E partition shows up as
D on both OSes now.
WH> Sounds like your in business - despite what Unleashed says about the
WH> BIOS. You'll have to select the right driver for your brand of inport
WH> mouse in all likelihood. 6 meg will be slow, tortuously so with
WH> networking installed.
By now you will have seen the later posts about AMI bios & my prob.
Sigh.
Anon,
Linda
... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt.
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From: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 23:55:24
To: Holger Granholm 16-Nov-99 12:15:03
Subj: Re: Clunker update
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
HG> Oh gosh, why did we talk at length about installing it on an extended
HG> logical partition and using advanced installation and Boot Manager?
HG> Totally wasted time!
No it's not. The clunker was the test bed & I used all the info
everyone posted. And it's not the good unit, just the old one. The
total drive space at most is only 800 mb.
And by now you will have read my "How do I ununstall it" post.
Anon,
Linda
... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt.
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:01:10
To: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 12:15:03
Subj: Re: file /query
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
LP> Did the fdisk /query. Here is what it said.
LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP> **BIOS: 504MB
LP> Does this answer anything?
MR> What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of
MR> the partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can
MR> be booted from.
I haven't loaded Warp yet. Each hard drive can be booted from if
necessary (in DOS) from their C partitions.
MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't.
Other that the double space drive, all are.
Anon,
Linda
... Forget love. I'd rather fall into chocolate.
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:06:26
To: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 12:15:03
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military may
MR> use his program. Call it misguided pacifism.
His right. And I have a feeling that this has been dealt with already.
Thanks for the answer, though.
Anon,
Linda
... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt.
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:16:03
To: Andy Roberts 16-Nov-99 12:15:03
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried.
AR> Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some other
AR> dearchiver to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you. PartList.exe is
AR> in there.
Oh................ It will work in DOS?
Anon,
Linda
... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt.
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:39:21
To: Dave Davidson 16-Nov-99 12:15:03
Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions.....
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Dave Davidson wrote to All <=-
DD> As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up & running,
DD> I'm
DD> full of questions that I either couldn't find answers to in the manual
DD> or
DD> simply didn't understand. I have a feeling this is just the
DD> beginning.<g>
We're both at the same place <G>.
Anon,
Linda
... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt.
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:50:26
To: Mike Roark 16-Nov-99 12:15:03
Subj: Re: Thank you
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP> run OS/2. Finally got a system that could run OS/2 and hate the
LP> thought of Win9X. (But wait until I get my dream machine 8->. Linux
LP> with EVERYTHING.) Can even think about the possibility of Ineting
MR> The machine you are running Os/2 on will probably handle linux quite
MR> nicely.
True. But not the way I want to. Will need a PIII for the dream
machine. It only took ten years to get this one.
LP> And still am looking for a software sound driver. Don't want a sound
LP> card just want the sounds <G>.
MR> What type of sound card?
Don't have a sound card. Just want a sound driver like winspeaker to
run sounds out of the computer speaker.
Anon,
Linda
... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt.
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 01:03:16
To: Andy Roberts 16-Nov-99 12:15:03
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
AR> 99% of the time hardware is not a good reason to use M$, especially if
AR> you read the OS2HW echo and make careful selections before buying new
AR> HW. Often the difference in price between the very cheapest M$ only HW
AR> that is usually slow and unreliable, is not enough savings in $
Just discovered a mess of new printers are Win9X only. P.O.ed me all
to..... And in order to get anything comperable would have to pay
$800.00 for Warp use. Sheesh.
AR> Do yourself a BIG favor: don't buy nor even install a free gift of
AR> WinXX, until long after you have been using OS/2 on a regular basis.
I don't intend to actually. Even the short time I've used Warp am
impressed and actually found easy to use (at the moment). Haven't hit
the big stuff yet, though. And can see how well it will fit into the
way I want to work. Just leaving options open at the moment.
AR> FIRST. That will build up your immunity to becoming addicted to the M$
AR> virus. Then if you absolutely must have some M$ only software, at
Have been immune from the first time I ever saw Windows.
AR> If you have any thoughts of doing a comparison of M$ before you get a
AR> very good handle on OS/2, then you will become so confused that it will
Nah. I just see that there may be a possibility of needing it for a
specific need occasionally.
AR> could learn in a few months without M$. In other words it is much
AR> easier to learn OS/2 if you don't have to UNlearn M$ first.
Haven't learned it yet. Honest. And Warp feels very natural to me.
Just a few mouse habits from 3.1 to unlearn, but no problem with it.
Look forward to doing some serious stuff with Warp.
Anon,
Linda
... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt.
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From: Sean Dennis 15-Nov-99 13:44:11
To: Daniela Engert 16-Nov-99 13:28:12
Subj: Suppressing popups?
Hello, Daniela.
-=> Replying to a message of Daniela Engert to Sean Dennis:
SD>> I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error
SD>> messages in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an
SD>> "invalid statement" error upon bootup concerning that. Any ideas
SD>> how or why that isn't working anymore?
DE> It should read 'SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C:'
I finally had the time to check that... I made that correction and also
noticed that I didn't spell it correctly either... helps if I _SPELL_ the
command correctly. :)
Later,
Sean
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From: Jeffrey J. Counsil 16-Nov-99 00:34:09
To: Mike Ruskai 16-Nov-99 15:21:04
Subj: Re: file /query
On Stardate 14 Nov 99 15:22:00, Mike Ruskai Communicated the Following
To Linda Proulx, Regarding file /query...
MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't.
Sure it does.. Look at the starting cylinder.. ;-)
MR> LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
MR>
MR> LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
MR> LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
Looks like c: and g: to me are primary..
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From: Jack Stein 15-Nov-99 08:08:23
To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 15:21:04
Subj: Re: Installation problem
Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Jack Stein:
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
JS> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Nick Andre:
LP> I just read somthing that said the installer may have to
LP> delete or rename autoexec.bak files. Is that there? Check
LP> for the backups of autoexec/config files.
JS> Autoexec.bat is a DOS file, not an OS/2 file. OS/2 does not create an
JS> automatic executable file on install. If one is needed later, it uses
JS> it's own auto executable called STARTUP.CMD.
LP> True. But according to 'Unleashed' if there is a .bak or
LP> config backup dos file, it can stop the original install.
LP> That's what it says.
That was a bug in WARP 3 that was there for one day, on the day of it's intial
release. You could not buy, or it was difficult to find a copy of that, as
they pulled it and fixed that on the first day. Don't believe everything you
read in Unleashed.
Jack
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From: Jack Stein 15-Nov-99 08:50:28
To: Albert Sodyl 16-Nov-99 15:21:04
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
Albert Sodyl wrote in a message to Herbert Rosenau:
HR> Hardware requirement for
HR> WARP 3 WARP 4
HR> CPU I386 I486 (creeps on 386 too)
HR> Memory 12 MB 16 MB (with Voice Type 24 or more)
HR> Disk 250 MB 400 MB (including swapper.dat)
AS> That's it, now I can forget about getting Warp 3 or Warp 4.
AS> I'll stay with the ever crashing OS/2 2.1 :(
Not certain what you are running, but I ran OS/2 2.1 for a couple of years on
a 486/33 with 8 megs. It ran great, never crashed on me. I switched to WARP
3 ONLY because IBM gave me a free copy, and it has TCP/IP so works great with
the internet. WARP 3 ran great on 8 megs also. Still run it on the same
machine, but now have 20 megs ram, still runs great. I have WARP 3 BLUE, WARP
3 CONNECT and WIN95 installed on this machine. I never use WARP connect, and
am thinking of installing WARP 4 on that partition, but, most people seem to
think WARP 4 would be a bit of a pig on this vintage machine. They also said
that about WARP 3, but were wrong about that. My 486 with WARP 3 blue is
faster for many things than my P133 at work with WIN95 on it, and works a hell
of a lot better.
Anyway, I would not hesitate to put WARP 3 on a 486/33 with 8 megs. The
memory is a bit small for real PIG gui apps like Netscape, MR/2 ICE and the
like. Those monsters need as much ram, video and CPU as you can throw at
them. 128 megs might be enough, a CRAY super computer would be more to there
liking I suspect, but even then, they would stress the system I imagine.
Jack
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From: Fred Springfield 16-Nov-99 03:29:02
To: Jack Stein 16-Nov-99 15:21:04
Subj: PM Sessions
JS> Fred Springfield wrote in a message to All:
JS>
JS> FS> I am running Warp 4 + FP10, here, and run all my rexx
JS> FS> programs under Object Rexx. BTW, Object Rexx only works for
JS> FS> me under Warp 4. The add-on version which IBM released for
JS> FS> Warp 3, was never fixed to process dynamic data with the
JS> FS> charin and linein commands, so I can not use it for
JS> FS> communications input to my stock market data reteival
JS> FS> programs.
JS>
JS> Fred, could you expand on this problem with Warp 3 and Orexx a
JS> bit? I run OREXX under WARP 3 and everything seems to work with
JS> it, although I don't really use much OREXX specific code. I did
JS> find one problem with Lines function not working with Piped data
JS> (do while lines()) but that was overcome using the streams()
JS> function. Is this the issue you speak of, or is there something
JS> else that doesn't work? This was the only problem I found with
JS> OREXX running all my old CREXX code.
Yes, that's the problem. I guess I need to be more precise in my
terminology. I used the term dynamic data, but it really is referred to
as transient data. And the problem whereof you speak also includes the
chars() function which I was using to test for keypress activity. This
was fixed in Warp 4 somewhere around FP6 or 7, but never in the add-on
Orexx which was released for Warp 3. I was happy to see the Warp 4 get
the fix, because I sent several e-mails to the IBM Orexx group in
Germany before I got an acknowledgement of the problem, and then it took
1 1/2 yrs for the fix to finally come out. In the meantime, I had to
use the standard Rexx to run my program.
Fred
■ KWQ/2 1.2i ■ It only takes one success to make you a winner.
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From: Fred Springfield 16-Nov-99 03:29:02
To: Eddy Thilleman 16-Nov-99 15:21:04
Subj: PM Sessions
ET> Hello Fred,
ET>
ET> 12 Nov 99 02:31, Fred Springfield wrote to All:
ET>
ET> FS> Also unfortunately, PMMail is not a candidate for this project,
ET> FS> because there is no way to get it to do anything automatically upon
ET> FS> opening, such as send, or fetch, the mail.
ET>
ET> PMMail does that just fine, it's in the "Account settings" under
ET> the tab "Preferences". And PMMail honores the requested start
ET> minimized: yes it starts minimized if you ask. PMMail has a fine
ET> filter system to automate the handling of messages, PMMail can also
ET> call external programs for this and this includes REXX files.
ET> PMMail has also (in the account settings) fields (hooks) for REXX
ET> files to call for "Message Send Exit", "Message Receive Exit",
ET> "Custom REXX Send", "Custom REXX Receive"; and in the PMMail
ET> settings under the REXX tab "Program Open Exit" and "Program Close
ET> Exit"; all of which can be set to run in the foreground or in the
ET> background.
ET>
ET> I use the OS/2 TCP/IP stack on OS/2 Warp 4 fixpack 9, works great!
ET> :)
ET>
ET> Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
ET>
Thanks, Eddy. I guess I didn't look hard enough. I'll have to
revisit this situation and re-evaluate the possibilities.
Fred
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From: Roy J. Tellason 16-Nov-99 11:04:05
To: Rachel Veraa 16-Nov-99 18:26:17
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
Rachel Veraa wrote in a message to All:
RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long
RV> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files?
Are you talking about going between machines, or what? Seems to me that if
so, using ftp would be one way to do it.
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From: Andy Roberts 15-Nov-99 23:45:02
To: Stewart Honsberger 16-Nov-99 18:26:17
Subj: Get Going
Stewart Honsberger,
14-Nov-99 11:39:53, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Andy Roberts
SH> 12 Nov 99 07:24, Andy Roberts wrote to Stewart Honsberger:
Subject: Get Going
SH>>> Just re-install the OS, and re-create icons for the neccesary
SH>>> applications.
AR>> You would not have to manually re-create the Icons nor even edit
AR>> your config.sys etc, (and maybe not even reinstall at all) if you
AR>> used:
SH> The problem with a utility to save my WPS is the fact that the WPS
SH> is typically the reason I'm forced to re-install.
Exactly, that's why I suggested RoboSave and ShiftRun. Furthermore it backs
up more than just the WPS. My last run saved 168 files or actually 302 files
including the 134 EAs, which it also restores and attaches perfectly.
SH> Restore the old WPS, get the problems back.
If you have a problem with WPS, then there is no point is saving that as a
backup, so it won't get restored. I only use RoboSave's Restore to put back a
known good previous setup.
Just before I run RoboSave again I copy my last previous 'save' to another
dir:
\Tools\RoboSave\ <=- Active for use with ShiftRun
\Tools\rs-4Jul99\ <=- Previously was in RoboSave dir
\Tools\rs-6Oct99\ <=- Previously was in RoboSave dir
\Tools\rs-9Oct99\ <=- Previously was in RoboSave dir
So if for any reason my active RoboSave 'saved' files are a problem, then I
can simply copy a previously 'saved' version into the RoboSave dir again.
Then reboot and use ShiftRun again.
Furthermore by looking in the ROBOSAVE.LOG file I can see the file names of
each individual file and it's new name, so I can manually copy/rename any
particular file back to the way it was before.
I doubt that I will ever have to reinstall or recreate an Icon again, no
matter how bad things get. And even if I do reinstall to solve some problem
that RoboSave/ShiftRun can not cure (which I've never found yet), then I can
still use ShiftRun to recreate my previous setup with the new installation.
This paragraph is getting a little off of the topic but it does show the power
of RoboSave/ShiftRun along with with some other tricks. I had Warp4 installed
on a primary C partition with about 50 custom Icons for my CMD files on my
DeskTop. I made a Extended partition D and installed Warp4 from scratch just
to have a quick backup if an emergency did occur. Of course that new
installation did not have any of my Icons etc. So I made a copy of my entire
\Tools\RoboSave\ directory that worked with C drive and manually edited the
ROBOREST.CMD file to restore to the D drive instead. What that accomplished
was to attach all the EAs as well as replace all the INI and RS and Config
files. Then I manually edited all the INI and RS and Config files to change
every instance of "C" drive/path to "D" drive/path. Some of that editing
requires a HEX editor, so I don't recommend that for a novice. That editing
sounds worse than it really is, since in most cases a sequential "Find and
Replace" searching for " C " or " C:" and replacing with " D " or " D:"
respectively, will catch almost every reference to the installation
drive/path. In the end I had an exact duplicate of Warp4 working on C drive
only this was working on D drive and had no reference to any file on C drive,
yet worked with all my apps on all other partitions. Eventually I deleted my
original Warp4 from C drive, since the duplicate on D drive had all my Icons
and everything working. Needless to say I didn't have to mess with any
obscure Config parameters nor reinstall any apps nor recreate any Icons to do
all that, thanks to RoboSave/ShiftRun.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Daniela Engert 14-Nov-99 18:57:14
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 18:26:17
Subj: Get Going
Hi Jonathan!
Thus quoth Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Will Honea:
JdBP> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify Build_Next_VolCB()
and
JdBP> Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-:
JdBP> By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source), Process_Partition()
takes the first
JdBP> recognisable partition in the MBR that it finds, and Build_Next_VolCB()
only calls it once
JdBP> per MBR.
JdBP> The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to take
the
JdBP> for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move it into both
Build_Next_VolCB()
JdBP> and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it along the way so that it doesn't
exit prematurely any
JdBP> more by removing the `found' logic, and make Process_Partition() take
the current loop
JdBP> index as an extra parameter instead.
JdBP> Daniela ?
What's wrong with the current logic? And - assuming you have both the tools
and the sources available - why don't you just go ahead and try it yourself?
Thinking about improving OS2DASD I'd rather like to support type 0F extended
partitions to remove the hassles of the MICROS~1 idiosyncrasies. And, instead
of changing the sources, finding a patch to do that is better IMHO because it
most likely will work with future fixpacks as well. This is why I created a
patch tool to overcome the over-64MB memory detection defect with new BIOSes
instead of compiling a private version of OS2LDR: the patch works from old
Warp3 fixpack levels up to Warp Server for e-Business regardless of the
multitude of OS2LDR versions they use.
bye, Dani
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From: Stewart Honsberger 16-Nov-99 12:32:04
To: Jack Stein 16-Nov-99 18:26:17
Subj: Get Going
12 Nov 99 22:14, Jack Stein wrote to Stewart Honsberger:
SH>> OS/2 resides on a 300MeB partition right now, with apps,
SH>> etc.. on seperate partitions. I've already had to re-install
SH>> OS/2 once, and it was relatively quick and painless.
JS> Are you running WARP 4? I was wondering how much disk space that
JS> would require? I guess it depends a lot on what all you install, and
JS> where your put some of the things.
Pardon me - OS/2 is on a 400MeB partition, with 119MeB's free. That
partition includes such extras as TCP/IP 4.1, HPFS386, and Fixpack 12
(which appears to add a few megs to your installation), and a 32MeB
swapfile.
The partition started out as 500MeB's, but when I saw that I had well
over 200 free, I reduced it to give my apps more space.
I've also had Warp4 installed on a 270 meg drive, with space left over
for other applications. Just don't select such frivolous things as extra
backgrounds, the games, etc..
Stewart Honsberger,
blackdeath@tinys.oix.com
... Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one?
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 03:54:00
To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 17-Nov-99 00:27:02
Subj: Communicator Fatal Error
Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to All
on 11-13-99 05:22 about Communicator Fatal Error...
SB> Hi,
SB> I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7.
SB> Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a
SB> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how
SB> to remedy this error?
The only time I've seen this problem is when Netscape doesn't know where
it's located. It determines that from an INI entry in the OS2.INI file,
which won't be there if you go back to an archive from before Netscape was
installed, or re-install OS/2.
If that's your problem, the following should solve it for you:
/* Create Netscape entry in OS2.INI */
call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs','RexxUtil','SysLoadFuncs'
call SysLoadFuncs
cdir=directory()
parse arg dirname
if dirname='' then do
say ''
say 'Usage: nsini.cmd <dirname>'
say ''
say 'dirname - location of Netscape'
signal prgexit
end
check=directory(dirname)
if check='' then do
say ''
say 'Directory '||dirname||' not found.'
signal prgexit
end
if stream('ns.pkg','c','query exists')\='' then nsver='2.02'
else if stream('ns40.pkg','c','query exists')\='' then nsver='4.0'
else if stream('ns46.pkg','c','query exists')\='' then nsver='4.6'
else do
say ''
say 'Directory = '||dirname
say ''
say 'The above directory does not appear to be where any version of'
call charout ,'Netscape is located. Continue (Y/N)? '
ans=SysGetKey('noecho')
ans=translate(ans)
if ans='Y' then nop
else do
say ''
say 'Aborting.'
signal prgexit
end
say ''
say ''
say 'Unable to automatically determine the Netscape version.'
say ''
say 'Which version of netscape is installed?'
say ''
say ' 1) 2.02'
say ' 2) 4.04'
say ' 3) 4.61'
say ''
call charout ,'Press 1-3 for appropriate version: '
ok=0
do until ok
ans=SysGetKey('noecho')
if ans\=1 & ans\=2 & ans\=3 then nop
else do
ok=1
select
when ans=1 then nsver='2.02'
when ans=2 then nsver='4.0'
when ans=3 then nsver='4.6'
otherwise nop
end
end
end
end
appname='Netscape'
keyname=nsver
keyvalue=dirname
check=SysIni('USER',appname,keyname,keyvalue)
if check\='' then do
say ''
say 'An error was encountered adding the Netscape INI entry.'
end
else do
say ''
say 'Netscape INI entry successfully added.'
end
prgexit:
call directory cdir
exit
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... But how do we know your the REAL Angel of Death?
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 04:01:00
To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 00:27:02
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to David Randall
on 11-13-99 19:33 about Re: FTP & Telenet...
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
DR> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can choose
DR> to use either or both.
LP> But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS?
Most BBS programs today seem to have the mailer built-in, but it wasn't
always that way, and still isn't for some up-to-date BBS programs.
That is, the front door is a separate program, which doesn't rely on a BBS
at all. The most popular example is a program called FrontDoor, which I
used to run a DOS-based BBS for about 6 years. There's a switch in the
program for whether or not a BBS is being used, which just tells the
program whether or not it should exit with an errorlevel upon receiving a
call that ends up not being another mailer program.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... "Warp 3, Scotty... and close those damn Windows!"
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 04:11:00
To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 00:27:02
Subj: Install
Some senseless babbling from Lee Aroner to Linda Proulx
on 11-14-99 08:54 about Install...
LA> A few suggested changes:
> MAXWAIT=3
LA> On a fast machine you can change this to "2"
Your machine isn't fast, so a maxwait of 3 is appropriate. That's the
number of seconds before OS/2 looks for CPU-starved programs to increase
their priority, so that they get a timeslice (eventually).
> BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS
LA> You may try adding a "/IRQ" after this...don't recall but I
LA> thought that was the default in v3
/IRQ means to use IRQ-driven printing, rather than polled printing. Better
performance, but useless if you 1) have allocated the IRQ elsewhere, or 2)
are using a printer cable which doesn't have the ACK lines running through
it (i.e. a cheap one).
> BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD
LA> Unless you have a Microchannel machine, REM this out
Not necessarily. This driver supports more than just MCA floppy drives,
including tape drives. You *probably* don't need it, but be wary.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... HAL 9000: Dave. Put down those Windows disks. Dave. DAVE!
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 04:20:00
To: WILL HONEA 17-Nov-99 00:27:02
Subj: Missing Window control..
Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai
on 11-13-99 14:06 about Missing Window control.....
WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to WILL HONEA on 11-12-1999
MR> I haven't run into anything like what you describe, but since I'm
MR> not entirely certain what you're asking, I can't say whether or not
MR> the problem exists. I haven't had any programs have trouble seeing
MR> directories which have had their contents changed, if that's close
MR> to what you're getting at.
MR>
MR> I've also not used PRM for quite some time, due to a problem that
MR> no other program experienced, which they couldn't duplicate, much
MR> less fix.
WH> This got several programs. Basically, when IBM started to maintain
WH> the archive bit on directory entries programs that didn't properly
WH> account for the archive bit would not see directories where the
WH> archive bit was set. It wasn't an IBM error per se, just laziness and
WH> sloppy coding on the part of some programmers but the result was
WH> reasonably wide spread. It was enough of a nuisance that I ran a
WH> script every few days to reset all the archive bits on all directories
WH> since I could never tell what program would mess up next. FP 12
WH> reverted to the early behavior.
Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison with
FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field (my
preference), etc.
Pretty stupid.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit drinking.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 04:31:00
To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 00:27:02
Subj: Software question
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-14-99 20:11 about Software question...
LP> Greetings,
LP> Wonder if there was anything that runs on Warp that will either
LP> receive a fax or transfer the call to voice mail. Another potential
LP> option is to answer if a fax & not answer if not a fax.
Warp comes with FaxWorks, which you can tell to answer the phone for a fax.
As for transferring a call to voice mail, that's a very atypical use. A
lot of companies do in fact use OS/2 for handling telephone traffic, but
it's using specialized hardware, with OS/2 just controlling it.
And finally, the only way to discern a fax call from a voice call is with
multiring, which must be supported by your phone company. I don't know if
FaxWorks can recognize different rings.
Mike Ruskai
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From: Sean Dennis 16-Nov-99 10:10:19
To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 01:00:19
Subj: FTP & Telenet
Hello, MIKE.
-=> Replying to a message of MIKE RUSKAI to LINDA PROULX:
MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military
MR> may use his program. Call it misguided pacifism.
Then the author deserves what he gets then if he loses money to people not
using it or running it cracked, IMNSHO. That has got to be one of the
stupidest things I've ever heard.
To everyone else reading this, please don't preach to me about my views. You
won't get anywhere.
Later,
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 14:58:06
To: Andy Roberts 17-Nov-99 01:00:19
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
AR> Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some other
AR> dearchiver to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you. PartList.exe is
AR> in there.
I went looking for the file. I copy all files dled to storage & I
apologise but I can't find it. We had some mail problems here & I
wonder if that got lost in that process.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 15:04:02
To: Holger Granholm 17-Nov-99 01:00:19
Subj: Re: Margin example
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
HG> As you can see, I have it wrapping at 72 columns.
HG> I have the same setting in my editor, QEdit for OS/2 and TSE for DOS.
To be honest I don't know who's example I sent about the wrapping.
This is my line wrap:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
If I get a message with lines longer I get the odd wrap. Just saying.
I've received Emails that were almost unreadable because of the wrapping
problem & massive code stuff.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 19:07:00
To: Mike Ruskai 16-Nov-99 19:07:00
Subj: "Paging Peter Knapper! .
MIKE RUSKAI wrote to ALL on 11-15-1999
MR> FYI, folks, one needn't rely on the compression abilities of a
MR> linker in OS/2 to compress an executable.
MR>
MR> There's a utility called LxLite which you can use to compress or
MR> recompress an executable.
Mike, there is one caveat that needs making: if an executable
modifies itself in the process of registration you may or may not be
able to apply updates to the program - depending on how the author has
written the code. Peter Nielsen has just recently changed PMVIEW, for
example, to allow updating over the compressed executable. Simple
workaround is to un-compress before updating, but folks should be aware
of the potential problem.
The best use I've found for LXLITE is the boot disks made by BOOTOS2.
You can almost get everything on.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 19:17:01
To: Ron Nicholls 16-Nov-99 19:17:01
Subj: Missing Window control..
Ron Nicholls wrote to George White on 11-14-1999
RN> He's no longer at hobbes.
RN> Do you have an address.
Hobbes has everything but the last revision. Try Kelder's home page:
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 19:23:02
To: Jack Stein 16-Nov-99 19:23:02
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
Jack Stein wrote to Albert Sodyl on 11-15-1999
JS> Anyway, I would not hesitate to put WARP 3 on a 486/33 with
JS> 8 megs. The memory is a bit small for real PIG gui apps
JS> like Netscape, MR/2 ICE and the like. Those monsters need
JS> as much ram, video and CPU as you can throw at them. 128
JS> megs might be enough, a CRAY super computer would be more
JS> to there liking I suspect, but even then, they would stress
JS> the system I imagine.
Just to carry this a little further, you would be amazed what plugging
in a DX/2-66 does. If you make sure to get the 5 volt version, they
can be had for a few bucks - I see them new for $5 or so. Plug and
play - it's a really effective tweek.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 23:48:03
To: Mike Ruskai 16-Nov-99 23:48:03
Subj: Missing Window control..
MIKE RUSKAI wrote to WILL HONEA on 11-16-1999
MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison
MR> with FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field
MR> (my preference), etc.
MR>
MR> Pretty stupid.
I traced the Post Road code and that's exactly what they did. I've
got several years worth of this kind of crap collected in one of my
YGBSM files - amazing what 'professional' programmers will do at
times.
My favorite was a set of utilities by a well known and respected
software house. In C code, they were returning a pointer to an
automatic variable which pointed to a memory location on the stack.
char *routine(struct TIME *local_time)
{
char day_of_week[9];
( some code )
return day_of_week;
}
When we reported it as a bug, their reply was:
'This routine is designed to be used only as a calling argument so the
stack is not modified before the value is copied. for example:
printf(file,"%s", routine( local_time)).'
There were at least 30 of these little goodies in their commercial
library and they absolutely refused to correct it - all the while
admitting that the return pointed to out-of-scope non-allocated
memory!
So much for that vendor!
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Stephen Haffly 16-Nov-99 12:02:07
To: Will Honea 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
On (15 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Dave Davidson...
Hi Will,
WH> Odds on, you have com3 sharing an IRQ (4) with Com1 and com4 sharing
WH> an IRQ (3) with com2. OS/2 will not allow this - gotta have unique
WH> IRQ's or one of the boards supported by SIO to share IRQ's. If there
WH> is no mouse on com1/com2, you might sneak by if you tell SIO what IRQ
WH> to use (com3,3e8,4) (com4,2e8,3). That used to work at lower speeds
WH> but I haven't tried it in a while.
OK, this leads to a question that most probably belongs in OS2HW, but
I'll keep it brief here.
How come I can't seem to get the motherboard com ports working with OS/2
Warp 4? I always have to disable them and put in a serial card.
Meanwhile, DOS and the dominant OS seem to see and work with them just
fine.
This has been the case with more than one motherboard, anything from a
486VIP to my current VA-503+. Is there a secret that I don't know
about?
Thanks,
TTYL,
Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 20:30:00
To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Re: Clunker update
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Will Honea
on 11-15-99 23:52 about Re: Clunker update...
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
WH> You're gonna hear this a lot: One visible primary partition per drive
WH> is visible (I told you so!). As for the printer, it will work as Epson
WH> Generic 9-pin, Epson MX80 9-pin, Epson Generic pass-thru, or even the
WH> IBM NULL printer.
LP> It sees the DOS C drive in fdisk. Wondering if I changed it from
LP> bootable to installable like I did with the E partition if it could be
LP> seen. Just a little afraid with that partition. E partition shows up
LP> as D on both OSes now.
You seem to be missing the fundamental premise here. The way PCs were
designed to function, only one primary partition per physical drive can be
visible during any specific machine boot.
OS/2 conforms to this design, so you can see one and only one primary
partition per physical drive.
Any other primary partitions on the drive will be hidden, and not
accessible.
The reason you're in the situation you're in is because you ignored all of
the partitioning advice you received here, and instead let your "guru" do
something that's not supposed to be done.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 20:33:00
To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Dos C drive
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All
on 11-15-99 17:37 about Dos C drive...
LP> Greetings,
LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would
LP> OS/2 see it then.
No.
There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a word used
by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact happening when you set a
partition as "installable" is nothing. No changes to the partition are
made. Nothing is written to disk. All that takes place is that FDISK
exits with an errorlevel of eight times the drive number, where A=1, B=2,
etc.
This errorlevel is used by the installation program to determine which
drive should be installed to.
That's it.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 20:36:00
To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Re: file /query
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai
on 11-16-99 00:01 about Re: file /query...
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
LP> Did the fdisk /query. Here is what it said.
LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP> **BIOS: 504MB
LP> Does this answer anything?
MR> What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of
MR> the partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can
MR> be booted from.
LP> I haven't loaded Warp yet. Each hard drive can be booted from if
LP> necessary (in DOS) from their C partitions.
No, that's not the case at all. The **BIOS: 504MB message up there means
that your BIOS is not doing any translation for the second physical drive.
There is also no disk manager program present. Because of that, no
partition beyond the first 504MB of the disk can be read by the BIOS at
all. Since the first partition on that drive is 1GB, neither it nor any
after it can be booted at all, without turning on translation, and
repartitioning the drive entirely.
MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't.
LP> Other that the double space drive, all are.
Which means that you once again ignored the competent advice given to you
in this echo, and have places yourself in a position where installing OS/2
will result in only one partition of drive 1 being visible.
OS/2 may see all of the drives now, booted from floppy, but it will not
work when you install Boot Manager. Why? Because Boot Manager will let
you choose one and only one drive to boot from. If that drive is a primary
partition, it will be given an appropriate type (type 0x06 in this case,
indicating that it is a FAT16 partition greater than 32MB in size). All
other primary partitions on the drive will be given the type 0x16, which is
an invalid type, making the partitions hidden to OS/2 (and anything else,
until the type is changed back to 0x06).
So, until you partition the drives correctly, per the advice you've
received several times over in this very echo, you will not be able to use
OS/2 and see more than one partition on the first drive.
The only possible exception is if you don't install Boot Manager at all,
and install OS/2 on the first primary partition, leaving all other
partitions as type 0x06. OS/2 may then see and use all drives, but you
will be able to use only OS/2 and DOS on this machine, in a Dual Boot
configuration. DOS, however, will not be able to see drives G: through J:,
because they are all outside of the BIOS's ability to read.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 20:45:00
To: JEFFREY J. COUNSIL 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Re: file /query
Some senseless babbling from Jeffrey J. Counsil to Mike Ruskai
on 11-16-99 00:34 about Re: file /query...
JJC> On Stardate 14 Nov 99 15:22:00, Mike Ruskai Communicated the
JJC> Following To Linda Proulx, Regarding file /query...
MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't.
JJC> Sure it does.. Look at the starting cylinder.. ;-)
There is no cylinder information contained in the display.
MR> LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
MR>
MR> LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
MR> LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
JJC> Looks like c: and g: to me are primary..
That's not necessarily so at all. Consider this:
3 0000042f H: 2 07 0 0 2046
3 003ff84f I: 2 07 0 2047 973
**BIOS: 504MB
This is what FDISK /QUERY says about my third physical drive. Both H: and
I: are logical drives in the extended partition.
Mike Ruskai
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 16:46:05
To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Re: Clunker update
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
PK> Uhg....FAT!..;-( You have possibly just destroyed any gain you had by
E partition was not being used much & thought that the swap file might
be overloading the OS partition. Both sizes are @ 200 Mb only. I don't
know how much space the OS actually take or the space the bonus pack
takes.
PK> As long as your C: drive has plenty of room (say 100Mb BEFORE your SWAP
PK> file is placed there) you shuld be fine.
LP> Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time.
PK> If this is also a DOS application, then you need to investigate the DOS
Os/2s mahjongg.
LP> And want to see the DOS C.
LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I
LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment.
PK> I am now confused, I though OS/2 installed to drive C!!! If not, what
PK> partition is it seeing as C: ???
When installing Fdisk made D partition drive C for OS/2. Dos Drive C
partiton is considered hidden by multi boot but I made it as bootable in
the setup & partition E as installable. Both OSes see E as D partition.
PK> BTW: What is the processor in that machine?
386-25
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 16:57:03
To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Re: OS2 Install/uninstall
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
PK> No Linda please dont do it, don't jump!.........;-)
Relax. It's the clunker's bios. May be getting the loan of a 486 board
& will transfer everything over & check the difference.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 17:00:21
To: Will Honea 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
WH> across over the years. One is for what users have tried to do with
WH> computers, the other is for the simply astounding crap I find in
WH> supposedly professional code.
I think that tight code has become a lost art. There were some benefits
to not having massive amounts of memory handy.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Charles Gaefke 13-Nov-99 22:21:14
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Re: win32
LP> Wondering if anyone has the latest copy of the win32 for the Win/os &
LP> can send it to me.
I hate to tell you this, but Win32 apps do not run under OS/2.
The win32 "plugin" by the third party group works somewhat for some apps,
but I really don't consider it to be win32 support.
C. Gaefke
cdgaefke@earthlink.net
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From: George White 15-Nov-99 09:53:14
To: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hi Eddy,
On 12-Nov-99, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx:
JT>>> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only
JT>>> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to
JT>>> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of
JT>>> the picture completely at that point.
LP>> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp
LP>> unleashed the minimum date is somewhere in 1990.
ET> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2
ET> Warp 3" or in the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book
Page 300 in my edition, Warp 3 red, it's in chapter 20 "Special
Hardware Considerations".
George
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 12:59:24
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
JdP>> (The output of PARTLIST, which I am hoping [...]
LP> Have a post.
Where is it ?
» JdeBP «
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 13:17:10
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: file /query
LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP>
LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP> **BIOS: 504MB
LP>
LP> Does this answer anything?
It confirms my guess. Your guru has, for some bizarre reason, configured four
type 06 primary partitions, which are thus all "visible" simultaneously. As I
mentioned in a previous message, this scheme is incompatible with various
operating systems (as Disc Administrator in Windows NT, which also lets one
configure a disc this way, goes to great pains to point out).
I'm giving your guru the benefit of the doubt by assuming that there is a
valid reason for this arrangement, until I see his rationale. But I should
point out that people have been combining multiple operating systems on a
single PC over a decade now, and have certainly been doing what you want to
do, which is to have OS/2, DOS, and possibly DOS-Windows on a single PC, for
at least 8 years, and of the various FAQs, FGAs, HOW-TOs, and messages I have
seen on the subject over the years, no-one has *ever* needed to have multiple
*visible* primary partitions to get the job done. If there is a reason for
what your guru has done, it must be a highly unusual one. But nothing you
have said so far has indicated anything unusual enough to warrant this in your
requirements.
For what it's worth, I'll repeat the common solution (which one can find in
many places, including the linux HOW-TO on this very subject):
Have two primary partitions and one logical drive in an extended partition.
The first primary partition is Boot Manager, and the second primary partition
is a FAT volume holding DOS which will be given the drive letter C:. The
logical drive in the extended partition is an HPFS volume holding OS/2, which
will be given the drive letter D:. Boot Manager can then be configured to
boot either one.
If adding DOS-Windows 9x to this system, note that as standard DOS-Windows 9x
installs in the same drive as DOS, the primary FAT partition, and uses a
"musical chairs with the configuration files" scheme to allow one to select
which of the two to boot. So one has a two-level boot. One chooses either C:
or D: from Boot Manager, and if one chooses C: one then chooses either DOS or
DOS-Windows 9x.
If adding Windows NT to this system, note that even though the main body of
Windows NT can be installed to any drive, and indeed should be installed to
another logical drive in an extended partition that has been formatted as an
NTFS volume, its boot sector and various boot files (NTLDR, NTDETECT.COM,
BOOT.INI, NTBOOTDD.SYS) are, like those of DOS and DOS-Windows, located in the
primary FAT partition, and it too uses a "musical chairs" scheme (albeit an
entirely different one -- the joys of Microsoft "standards") to select which
operating system to boot once one has chosen to boot from drive C: in Boot
Manager.
Because of the different "musical chairs" schemes, this results in a tri-level
boot if one has installed DOS and DOS-Windows 9x as well. One chooses either
C: or D: in Boot Manager, if one chooses C: one then chooses either Windows NT
or the other two in NT's multiboot scheme, and finally if one chooses the
other two one then chooses either DOS-Windows or DOS in DOS-Windows' multiboot
scheme. (One can hand-edit this into a two-level scheme, by manually moving
the last choice into NT's multiboot scheme. This doesn't happen as standard,
though.)
If adding linux to this system, simply create another logical drive in an
extended partition and format it as an EXT2 volume and add it to the Boot
Manager menu. Then install LILO in "partition boot sector" mode rather than
"master boot record" mode. One then has three choices on Boot Manager: C: for
the Microsoft operating systems (all of them), D: for OS/2 Warp, and E: (or
F:, G:, or whatever, depending from how one has configured Windows NT and any
additional non-boot data partitions) for linux.
The important points here are that (a) there is never more than *1* primary
FAT partition, (b) it is visible in *all* operating systems and given the same
drive letter, and (c) OS/2 Warp, linux, and (most of) Windows NT don't need to
be on the first physical disc at all, if needs be.
Even drive lettering isn't a problem (as long as one doesn't use any other
primary partitions anywhere else). DOS and DOS-Windows use the same lettering
because they are both in fact the same operating system in essence, Windows NT
can be told manually to assign individual letters to drives using Disc
Administrator, OS/2 Warp has a third party utility that allows one to do the
same, and linux ... doesn't use drive letters in the first place.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 13:18:08
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Get Going
JdP>> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST [...]
LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried.
Download OS2CLU02.ZIP (or OS2CLU02.RAR) from your favourite files site (Andy
Roberts also has it on his system). Unpack PARTLIST.EXE and OS2CLU02.DLL with
UNZIP (or RAR), placing them somewhere accessible (such as a FAT partition on
the hard disc). Boot OS/2 (if you aren't actually doing this from within
OS/2). If you are booting from the installation floppies, shell out to the
command line with F3 when prompted to do so. Run PARTLIST, redirecting the
output to file.
It was my guess that in the first MBR listed in PARTLIST's output, the primary
MBR, you will have four FAT12/FAT16 entries.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 13:23:19
To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Clunker update
PK> A later fixpak for Warp 3 added a facilty to better manage what is
PK> called "Single Input Queue" lockups.
*Synchronous* Input Queue.
Repeat after me:
"Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has been, and has
always
had multiple input queues, one per application thread. Presentation
Manager is multithreaded, always has been, and has always had
multiple
input queues, one per application thread. Presentation Manager is
multithreaded, always has been, and has always had multiple input
queues, one per application thread ..."
It's the fact that raw input is taken synchronously from the mouse and
keyboard into the various *multiple* application message queues that is the
problem. If it were taken asynchronously, there wouldn't be a problem.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 10:11:18
To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Multiple type 0X primary partitions
JDBP>> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify
JDBP>> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-:
MR> [...] But I still don't see why it should be done. [...]
The simplest reason is compatibility. Windows NT, linux, OpenDOS (a.k.a.
DR-DOS), FreeDOS, and at least one other operating system can all recognise
(and assign drive letters to) multiple visible (type 0X) primary partitions.
In this respect, OS/2 Warp is less flexible than these other five operating
systems.
If it were just FreeDOS, say, that did this, one might argue that OS/2 need
not be compatible with something that is clearly non-standard and specific to
a minority operating system. But the fact that mainstream commercial
operating systems such as DR-DOS and Windows NT *also* work this way tends to
indicate that it is OS/2 Warp that is non-standard here.
Indeed, based upon the fact that DR-DOS and Windows NT both work this way, and
the fact that originally PC/MS-DOS didn't support extended partitions and
*everything* had to be a primary partition, there are strong grounds for
believing that MS/PC-DOS *also* accepts and recognises multiple visible
primary partitions. It certainly would have had to do so in the past, before
extended partitions were invented and people with large hard discs had to use
multiple visible primary partitions to cover discs larger than 32MeB. I
didn't include PC-DOS and MS-DOS in the list *only* because I don't have hard
evidence, either from experimentation or from inspection of the source code,
that it does support this. I suspect that PC-DOS and MS-DOS probably should
be included in the list. This would make OS/2 Warp almost the only operating
system that didn't support this feature, with all of the mainstream commercial
PC operating systems in the other camp.
It's certainly the logical thing to do. If I were writing an operating
system, it would be how I would scan and process the partition table in my
code. The primary MBR frequently has more than one non-zero entry in its
partition table, often more than two non-zero entries. Having multiple
entries is in no way unusual. There's really no reason why code that
processes it *should* stop at any point short of examining all four entries in
the table. (It is only by convention that secondary MBRs have only two
non-zero entries. For maximum compatibility one would examine all four
entries in secondary MBRs, too.)
I think that there's actually a very strong case for this being a bug in
OS2DASD.DMD that should be fixed.
Daniela ?
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 10:12:20
To: James Mckenzie 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: AMI BIOS date
JM> You could install more memory, OS/2 (and amazingly Windows) could
JM> not "see" all of it.
It's not that amazing. All operating systems, OS/2 and DOS-Windows included,
make one or more calls to BIOS routines to query the amount of available
physical RAM. DOS-Windows calls the EMS and XMS DOS drivers for the
information, but they, in their turn, will have called the BIOS when they
first initialised.
Technically, the calls to supply information about memory over the 16MeB line
are still, even today, classed as extensions to the standard BIOS API. It's
unsurprising that an AMI BIOS dated 1989, which is around the time when such
machines were becoming popular, might not have been updated yet to include the
new (at the time) extensions. It's equally unsurprising that if those
extensions weren't present in the BIOS, operating systems wouldn't "see" any
more than 16MeB of RAM.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 10:13:29
To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: fdisk /query
LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP>>
LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP>> **BIOS: 504MB
LP>> Does this answer anything?
MR> [...]
MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't.
Er, Mike ? See all the "1"s in the Vtype column ? ...
(-:
The output of PARTLIST, when Linda posts it, will give the raw MBR contents,
which should demonstrate even more clearly how many visible primary partitions
she has.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 13:10:11
To: George White 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: DETACH
GW> The IBM documentation says that DETACH should only be used for
GW> programs that don't use the keyboard or the screen. As you've noticed
GW> both EPM and VIEW both break this rule and both run happily...
I suspect that *all* PM programs break this rule.
The problem is that in reality there is no such thing as a "PM session", a
"full screen text-mode session" or a "windowed text-mode session" in OS/2.
The documentation speaks of them, and many books over the years, even going
back to the days of OS/2 1.1, have discussed them. But this description is
simply false.
Sessions don't actually have types in OS/2. What sessions have are consoles.
They either have a console, or they do not. Run
[c:\]pstat /m | grep BVS
These shared memory areas are the LVBs of the consoles for the various
sessions that have them. Write a program to dump the contents of one of these
shared memory areas, and you will be able to see what is being displayed on a
particular console.
Individual processes are what have the types. More importantly, the OS/2
kernel itself makes no distinction between different types of process (except
to tell a process what its parent said that its type is when it is started
up). The type of a process, whether it is a PM process, a full-screen text
mode process, or a windowed process, is stored in the PIB in user space. The
type is controlled by the parent process, and how it chooses to start the
child process. Individual processes inherit the same type as their parent
process (and are made a member of the same session) if started by DosExecPgm,
or are given a new type (and made a member of a new session) if started by
DosStartSession.
The one exception to the rule is the EXEC_BACKGROUND flag to DosExecPgm. If
this is used, the process inherits type 4 (which, strictly speaking, means
that it is a Virtual DOS Machine!) rather than the same type as its parent.
It is still made a member of the same session, however.
What happens with Presentation Manager is that the PM DLLs, when they first
initialise, look in the PIB. If they see a process type that they *like*,
they return success from functions such as WinCreateMsgQueue. In the OS/2
architecture there is, in fact, no underlying reason why processes in any
session cannot link to Presentation Manager and use it to display graphics.
It is simply the case that Presentation Manager *refuses to work* if it finds
itself running in a process whose type it doesn't like.
And it turns out that the check that Presentation Manager uses is not "if
pib->pib_ultype == PM", but rather "if pib->pib_ultype != VIO_FS &&
pib->pib_ultype != VIO_WINDOWED". So, ironically, a process started with
DETACH, (whose type is set to "VDM", remember) can quite happily use
Presentation Manager because of a bug in the code in PM that checks for the
process type!
To be honest, I don't see any reason for keeping this check in PM, and I wish
that IBM would remove it. It's a kludge that tries to create, with smoke and
mirrors, the effect that there are different "types" of sessions when in fact
there aren't. OS/2 Warp would be much more useful *without* this kludge,
because programs could then use a combination of PM and text-mode if they
wanted to. A PM program started from the command line could write messages to
its standard output and have them appear in the text-mode window that it was
started from, rather than have them simply disappear into the ether as is the
case right now.
Indeed, you can see this in action with the 32-bit CMD. The 32-bit CMD always
uses DosExecPgm to run programs, which means that they inherit the same
program type as the command interpreter itself and are started in the same
session attached to the same console. (To run a program with a *different*
type, one uses the START command, which is a wrapper around the
DosStartSession system API function.) If you start up VIOCMD as a text-mode
program, and then run PMCMD directly by just typing its name in, PMCMD will
inherit the process type "text" from VIOCMD. PMCMD tries to initialise
Presentation Manager, sees the error code when PM refuses to initialise
because it objects to programs with the "text" type, and prints a message to
standard output and exits:
[C:\]ver
VIOCMD 0.0.3 CMDAPI 0.1.24 OS/2 2.40.0
[C:\]pmcmd
CMD0030: The main application window could not be loaded
[C:\]
If Presentation Manager didn't have this check in it, PMCMD would actually be
able to display graphical windows as normal, *as well as* be able to print
messages to its standard output and have them displayed on the session's
console. There wouldn't be this artificial distinction between "text mode
programs" and "graphical programs". There would just be programs, which could
choose to use the session's console to display a textual user interface or
choose to use the Presentation Manager graphics library to display a graphical
windowing user interface, or even choose to do both.
Ironically, the fact that there's no difference between "text mode" and
"graphical" programs on UNIX is touted as one of its advantages over OS/2.
Behind the scenes, we find that this is in fact true of OS/2 Warp as well, but
that a stupid kludge in the initialisation of Presentation Manager where it
explicitly refuses to work if it doesn't like the program type stored in the
PIB is hiding this fact from us.
The kludge should be removed, in my view.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 13:15:26
To: George White 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: DETACH
JdBP> OS/2 Warp would be much more useful *without* this kludge,
JdBP> because programs could then use a combination of PM and text-mode
JdBP> if they wanted to.
Of course, when one remembers that Presentation Manager was originally
co-written by Microsoft in OS/2 version 1.2, and that (a) there was a big push
for programs to be *solely* graphical when PM first appeared, and (b)
Microsoft Windows didn't (because of massive architectural problems in the
design) allow programs to use both textual and graphical user interfaces, one
wonders how much this kludge was implemented *solely and specifically* in
order to prevent programmers from doing exactly this on OS/2. After all, it
nannys the OS/2 programmers into not writing combined textual/graphical
programs, and it prevents an embarrassing deficiency in DOS-Windows from being
shown up by OS/2 by artificially making OS/2 have the same deficiency.
One wonders.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 13:26:18
To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: fdisk /query
LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP>>
LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP>> **BIOS: 504MB
It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK. This
indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical drive that
aren't assigned to any partition. The irony is that with the scheme chosen by
Linda's guru, this space is completely unusable, since no more partitions can
be created on the disc. (Although one wonders why the fourth primary
partition "J:" was created short like this. Perhaps a side effect of creating
the partition using a hex editor on the partition table and doing the
arithmetic incorrectly ? (-:)
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From: Herbert Rosenau 16-Nov-99 20:29:10
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Install
LP> IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C
/CACHE depends on your RAM size.
If you have 16 or more MB RAM set it to 2048
12 1024
8 512
Make your D: to HPFS too and then change the /AUTOCHECK:CD
LP> FILES=20
Should at least 90
LP> SWAPPATH=d:\ 4096 10240
20480 10240
LP> THREADS=256
512
LP> BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS
BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS /IRQ
REM BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD
DOS=HIGH,UMB
LP> Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general
LP> data directory for all the program.
set DPATH=..........
LP> But then haven't had a chance to do a lot of playing yet.
On WPS a program searches itself (and its DLLs on ints start path or if you
set Working directory to another then it looks there.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 08:42:18
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: FTP & Telenet
Hello Linda,
13 Nov 99 10:01, Linda Proulx wrote to Albert Sodyl:
AS>> Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest
AS>> version of ZOC and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better
AS>> in my opinion.
LP> Is it Y2Ked? Wonder what the newest version is.
I would think so, but I'm not sure. I've v3.12 here, I don't know if this is
the newest version, I'll have a look sometime.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 09:34:07
To: Mike Ruskai 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: Win9XX Question
Hello Mike,
13 Nov 99 00:18, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to EDDY THILLEMAN:
MR> That'd require a different primary partition on the boot drive, which
MR> means shifting drive C:'s, something I never recommend.
If all the operating systems were placed on their own primary partition, all
on the first harddisk, the C: drive letter only shifts to the operating system
which is booted, other partitions have their same drive letters if all
operating systems recognize and can use all logical partitions, but if all the
logical partitions which are recognized by all operating systems are placed as
first logical partitions (behind all the primary partitions) followed by the
logical partitions which are recognized and usable in some but not all
operating systems.
For example if one has only one harddisk (note: this is not my own setup, it's
just an example):
1st primary partition: Boot manager
2nd primary partition: DOS (FAT)
3rd primary partition: win98 (FAT or FAT32)
4th primary partition: is in use as extended partition for
1st logical partition: FAT partition (for data, for exchange of data between
the operating systems)
2nd logical partition: FAT32 partition (only usable in win98)
3rd logical partition: HPFS OS/2 boot partition
4th logical partition: HPFS partition (only usable in OS/2)
Ofcourse, multiple harddisks gives much more possibilities. But for beginners
that can be confusing.
ET>> So System Commander does something like OS/2 Warp 4 does with
ET>> dual boot when a DOS version and OS/2 Warp 4 are both installed
ET>> on the same primary C: FAT-partition? Can't System Commander use
ET>> different boot partitions (or you didn't mention that)?
MR> Yes, and yes.
So System Commander can also boot each operating system from its own boot
partition without reshuffling boot files around?
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 09:37:06
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04
Subj: OS/2 on old clunkers
Hello Linda,
13 Nov 99 11:48, Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea:
LP> There are advantages to being part of an archane department.....
Something like "you're the only one-eye-king in the land of blind" ? ;-)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 00:00:00
To: All 17-Nov-99 00:00:00
Subj: Ftp
Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com'
recently. I get a strangely broken up root list
with no access to any dir even with full
drwx permission.
Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered
if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub .
Other sites behave normaly, very strange.
I am using ftp-pm and this started when I went
looking for java 118 having seen fixes for
same but informed by soft ware choice that it
is not released yet.
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From: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 00:00:01
To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 00:00:01
Subj: Tutorial
PK> For Warp 4, start at WarpCentre ==> Information ==> Tutorial.
PK> Also try OS/2 System ==> Warpcentre ==> Information ==>Tutorial,
PK> and OS/2 System ==> Welcome
PK>
Seems I failed to include it in the last install.
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From: Murray Lesser 16-Nov-99 16:11:00
To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 16:11:00
Subj: Setup
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-13-99, Linda Proulx to All)
Hi Linda--
LP>Have an install question. (I know your thinking here we go again
<G>)
LP>I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other stuff
>on another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work around
>to do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to wait until
>after I do all the jury rig? Would love to do it during the original
>install & didn't see anything on the advance install.
The swap file and the TMP file locations are assigned in CONFIG.SYS.
AFAIK, you have to install first, and then modify CONFIG.SYS to meet
your needs. Do not forget to delete the corresponding files from their
default locations, as OS/2 will leave them sitting there, unused but
taking up directory space (the unused SWAPPER.DAT will take up real file
space!). Since the TMP file is mainly a data file, it is better not to
have it on the boot drive.
The rule of thumb is that SWAPPER.DAT should be in the most-used
partition of the least-used physical drive, for minimum "seek" time. It
is probably best to put the print spooler file in the same partition,
but remember that they both may grow and contract. (To move the default
Spooler location, see page 632 of your "OS/2 Warp Unleashed.") When
"empty," the SPOOL directory contains only EAs. If you do have the two
files in the same partition, be sure and have enough empty space on that
partition to allow for them both growing at the same time! (IIRC, you
have very large partitions. If you follow the performance rule of never
having a write-active partition more than about 80% full, you shouldn't
have any trouble.) By all means, if you have HPFS partitions, do not
put SWAPPER.DAT nor the Spooler in a FAT partition.
LP>Anon,
LP>Linda
LP>Anon,
LP>Linda
There you go again, doubling up :-).
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser 16-Nov-99 19:45:02
To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 19:45:02
Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-14-99, Linda Proulx to All)
Hi Linda--
LP>Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the
>manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard
>stop working needs an updated bios.
LP>How to uninstall now?
The easy way is to reformat the boot drive. Of course, if you've
got anything in the boot drive other than what the installation program
put in it, this isn't a very useful solution :-( (There's a moral in
here, somewhere!)
I don't know about Warp 3, but in the Warp 4 boot-drive directory
\os2\install\bootdisk\ there is a file OSDELETE.EXE. I've never tried
it (I suppose that I could, because I have a recent backup of my boot
drive, but I won't), but if you can find it and are desperate, you might
see what it will do for you.
LP>Anon,
LP>Linda
LP>Anon,
LP>Linda
Recently, you have doubled your signature :-). Are there two of
you, these days?
Regards,
--Murray
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From: Roy J. Tellason 17-Nov-99 00:17:17
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14
Subj: Thank you
Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Mike Roark:
MR> What type of sound card?
LP> Don't have a sound card. Just want a sound driver like
LP> winspeaker to run sounds out of the computer speaker.
This is a _bad thing_. I used to run that win-thingy under 3.1, and they
warn you in the docs that when it's running, when it's generating a sound out
of the pc speaker, _all other interrupts are disabled_.
This really isn't something you want to do under a multitasking operating
system. It can screw up all sorts of stuff.
Sound cards used to be a big deal, but these days you can pick up a generic
cheap unit for around $10-15, I think I paid $15 for one this past spring,
and it works fine under OS/2.
You should either consider making that minimal investment (or look into
picking up a used one from somebody who's upgrading their system), or forget
about sounds other than simple beeps coming from the speaker.
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From: Claie Danes 17-Nov-99 16:27:00
To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 07:57:14
Subj: dos games under Warp 4
WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD MAKE THEM NOTICEABLE
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From: Claie Danes 17-Nov-99 16:41:00
To: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 07:57:14
Subj: Tutorial
HAVE YOU TRYED LOOKING YOUR HARD DRIVE
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From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00
To: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 07:57:14
Subj: AMI BIOS date
In a message to Linda Proulx, Eddy Thilleman wrote re: AMI BIOS date
LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed
LP> the minimum date is somewhere in 1990.
ET> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition)
ET> publisher SAMS PUBLISHING
ET> ISBN 0-672-30545-3
ET>
ET> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have a date
ET> somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell where I can
find
ET> it in this book if it's in there.
I found it in my copy of Warp Unleashed Deluxe Edition on page
46:
ROM BIOS Problems:
If you see either a SYS2025 or SYS2027 error message and
your computer has an AMI BIOS, check the BIOS date. In
general, the BIOS should have been manufactured in 1990
or later [...]
ET> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp 3"
or in
ET> the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book.
I found a little on this problem in the "User's Guide to OS/2
Warp [v3]" in Chapter 19 (Troubleshooting), starting on page 315
in my manual.
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From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14
Subj: FTP & Telenet
In a message to Larry Snider, Linda Proulx wrote re: FTP & Telenet
LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by
LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years.
LP> isn't he the author of X00 ?
Yes. So he knows what he's talking about when writing comm
drivers and fossils. SIO was pretty much a necessity for
high-speed (ie 9600 baud or higher) serial communications when
using OS/2 v2.x. Warp v3 and v4 addressed many of the
deficiencies in the v2 stock comm driver, but SIO still has many
features that make it worthwhile, including a "virtual fossil"
for those who need to run DOS BBS software under OS/2.
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From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14
Subj: Get Going
In a message to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, Linda Proulx wrote re: Get Going
JdP> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from the
LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried.
It's part of Jonathan's excellent "OS/2 command line utilities"
package, available from hobbes.nmsu.edu
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From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00
To: Andy Roberts 17-Nov-99 07:57:14
Subj: Get Going
In a message to Linda Proulx, Andy Roberts wrote re: Get Going
AR> I exposed my wife to computers a couple of decades ago with an Epson QX-10
AR> and ValDocs which had a GUI (better than WinXX has now) and allowed long
file
AR> names, which she got addicted to.
Good grief! Another Ex-QX user! I just retired my last QX-16
this past July, not because of any problems (it still works fine)
but just because my son needed something a little more modern for
his school work.
But a couple little nit-picks. The Valdocs environment wasn't a
GUI, it was text-based (except Valpaint). But it was still quite
unusual, especially for a Z80-based system, in that it used
multiple text windows on the screen. Ie, when you popped up a
menu, it actually appeared in a separate text window that
scrolled up from the bottom of the screen. And it was probably
the first truly integrated environment, with word processing,
spreadsheet, paint, graphs, mail, etc. all transparently
integrated with each other. It's a shame it died so soon.
And the "long file names" weren't really. They were descriptive
pointers that used the Valdocs indexing system to refer to the
real file names, which were typical CP/M 8.3 file names of the
form 881031A1.VAL
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From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14
Subj: Internet (was File System
In a message to Eddy Thilleman, Linda Proulx wrote re: File Systems
ET> paid) internet account. These days, you can get a free internet account
ET> (commercials are paying your account).
LP> And how to get that in Winnipeg?
Warp v3 comes with 30 days free access to the IBM Global Network
(now called "ATT Globalnet"). My phone list shows an access
number in Winnipeg:
(204)934-6301 Canada MB Winnipeg (V.34)
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From: Paul Hildebrandt 15-Nov-99 16:16:26
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14
Subj: Software question
Hello Linda!
14 Nov 99 20:11, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
LP> Wonder if there was anything that runs on Warp that will either
LP> receive a fax or transfer the call to voice mail. Another
LP> potential option is to answer if a fax & not answer if not a fax.
Binkleyterm has adaptive answering capabilities. You need to get BGFAX to take
your fax calls and some sort of answering machine program to record voice.
Paul
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From: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 22:20:27
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 08:21:07
Subj: Re: Clunker update
Hi Linda,
LP> Os/2s mahjongg.
Ouch... that is VERY unusual... Is anything else running when this happens?
LP> And want to see the DOS C.
LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I
LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment.
Ok, now I see how that is happening there is no easy solution for that
situation. I would recommend that you re-partition into 2 primary and the rest
logical. 1 Primary is for Boot Manager, the other for DOS/Win. Once Boot
Manager has passed control to the OS you are starting the Boot Manager
partition is out of the picture.
Cheers............pk.
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From: Andy Roberts 16-Nov-99 18:47:09
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 14:25:12
Subj: Re: Get Going
Linda Proulx,
16-Nov-99 00:16:06, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
Subject: Re: Get Going
LP>> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried.
AR>> Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some
AR>> other dearchiver to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you.
AR>> PartList.exe is in there.
LP> Oh................ It will work in DOS?
No.
Native OS/2 only. Either from what you installed or from the floppy boot
command line.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts 16-Nov-99 18:52:05
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 14:25:12
Subj: Re: Get Going
Linda Proulx,
16-Nov-99 01:03:33, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
Subject: Re: Get Going
AR>> 99% of the time hardware is not a good reason to use M$,
AR>> especially if you read the OS2HW echo and make careful selections
AR>> before buying new HW. Often the difference in price between the
AR>> very cheapest M$ only HW that is usually slow and unreliable, is
AR>> not enough savings in $
LP> Just discovered a mess of new printers are Win9X only. P.O.ed me
LP> all to.....
It's been that way all this year. Very sad situation.
LP> And in order to get anything comperable would have to pay $800.00 for
LP> Warp use. Sheesh.
Compromise. Look very carefully on the IBM Device Drive Pak site for drivers
BEFORE you buy. Try to find a slightly older printer at an auction. Many of
the older Epsons printers do have OS/2 drivers. Actually there are over 1300
printers that have OS/2 drivers. Just not the new WinPrinters.
AFAIK there is only 1 WinPrinter that has OS/2 drivers. That is the Lexmark
5700 Color InkJet (or it's newer replacement). From experience, it can be
forced to work under OS/2, but the driver has many bugs and the printer is
very slow. The Lexmark false advertisement boasts speeds it could only get if
it only printed 1 character on an otherwise blank page. 1 full size color
page could easily take over 20 minutes to print with a lot of CPU and RAM
power. I bought that printer for my sister-in-law mostly because it has
1400DPI. The best thing I can say about that printer is that it can be had
for under $200.
Personally I can do without color, so my HP4L is very satisfactory. Those are
old now, but they were commercial quality, so they will last a long time. The
print quality and speed are great. The large powered ink cartridge will last
about 2-3 years or a full case or more of paper.
I also have a HP DeskJet 340, which is color but only 300DPI, which makes
photos look like newspaper print. I don't use this at all anymore. The
little
liquid ink cartridge (typical size of many new printers) will only do about
200 pages maximum if used very quickly. If it is only used once in a couple
of weeks, then it will dry out or clog up long before you get 50 pages out of
it. That works out to about $1 per page.
Just a few days ago I saw an auction for the Epson Stylus Photo 700, which
also has 1400DPI. There were about 40 of them that had been refurbished. I
did find OS/2 drivers for it. A few hours before the end of the auction they
were still going for a lot less than $100. Unfortunately I did not get back
right before the auction ended, so I don't know what they finally went for.
From my experience this year, Printers are by far the hardest component to
find top quality, new, OS/2 drivers, and a reasonable price. You can leave
out any 1 of those 4 specs, and find something. But IMO the printer industry
at large has opted to make very poor quality WinPrinters in such large
quantities as to overwhelm the market. I spent months searching the web and
weeks on the phone to many suppliers and a whole day just talking with Epson
and HP. In the end I had to compromise.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Andy Roberts 17-Nov-99 07:52:29
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 15:39:14
Subj: Re: Get Going
Linda Proulx,
16-Nov-99 14:58:12, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts
LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
Subject: Re: Get Going
AR>> Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some
AR>> other dearchiver to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you.
AR>> PartList.exe is in there.
LP> I went looking for the file. I copy all files dled to storage & I
LP> apologise but I can't find it. We had some mail problems here & I
LP> wonder if that got lost in that process.
I'll send you both Info-Zip and OS2CLU02.ZIP right now.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: John Angelico 15-Nov-99 22:58:00
To: Holger Granholm 17-Nov-99 19:18:20
Subj: Warp 3 install
On 09/11/1999, Holger Granholm said to Jack Stein about Warp 3 install:
HG>
HG> JS>gawk2156.exe | 126484| 3/17/95|12:3
HG>
HG> JS>12k is not what I would call a space filler for a hard drive. One
HG> JS>reason it is so small, yet so powerful is it also uses EMX, like all
HG> JS>good UNIX ports.
HG>
HG> If I read the above number correctly it is ca. 123.5 kb, not 12 k.
HG> However, I agree that even 123.5 kb isn't too bad.
HG>
Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was that
program I wrote way back when...." <g>
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au
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From: John Angelico 15-Nov-99 23:19:01
To: Fred Springfield 17-Nov-99 19:18:20
Subj: PM Sessions
On 12/11/1999, Fred Springfield said to All about PM Sessions:
Howdy Fred.
FS>
FS> Unfortunately, Post Road Mailer did not honor the requests from either
FS> of these methods, so nothing will work for PRM. Also unfortunately,
FS> PMMail is not a candidate for this project, because there is no way to
FS> get it to do anything automatically upon opening, such as send, or
FS> fetch, the mail.
Sorry to have to unsettle you but my PMMail/2 v2.10.1999 does EXACTLY that
and has done since umm v1.53 I think.
It's an Account setting not a Program setting ie each account (you can
have multiples in PMM/2 - another reason use it) can be specified as Fetch
on Open, Send After Fetch AND action on a timer (mine is set to 300 seconds
= 5 mins to prevent my dialup account from throwing me off through
inactivity).
THEN you can have REXX pre- and post- actions (on prog open and close)
plus ... I could consume a heap of bandwith extolling PMM/2.
I suggest that you check it out again.
FS>
FS>
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au
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From: Paul Sanders 17-Nov-99 21:45:14
To: All 17-Nov-99 19:18:20
Subj: Warp3 to Win98 lan
Hi All,
I have an OS/2, warp 3.0 connect system, my wife has a Win95 system.
we have just bought a new system, running Win98SE.
In the win95 system we had two 6.5gig hard drives which we have now
installed into the new Win98 system.
The problem now is that my OS/2 system reports that there is no free
space on these two drives (each drive is a single fat32 partition)
While the drives were in the Win95 system, OS/2 reported the amount of
free space remaining, and both drives still have at least 1.5gig free.
How can we once again have my OS/2 system see that there is still free
space on the drives ?
cya later,
Paul
... Stupidity is NOT a handicap. You'll have to park elsewhere.
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From: Herbert Rosenau 16-Nov-99 22:18:18
To: Dave Davidson 17-Nov-99 19:18:20
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
DD> I know Andy's gonna be "pi**ed" at me for what I did, but here's
DD> the way I have the system's setup at present. Warp 4 on both.
Which Fixpack? Try FP11.
DD> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2
DD> only see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted.
DD> Haven't really done much with that machine as I'm waiting to
DD> finish the P120 which will be dedicated to OS/2 with the 10.3GB
DD> and a new 8.3GB HD's and 96MB Ram.
A newer IDEDASD.DMD (Fixpack 11) should help.
DD> AMD K6/2-450 8.3GB Seagate 4.3GB WD Caviar, both IDE drives,
DD> with 128MB Memory. Dual Boot with WIN98 & OS/2. OS/2 has ALL the
DD> WD 4.3GB drive and "shares" two (2GB) logical drives with WIN98
DD> using FAT16. The "shared" drives are for primarily for
DD> compressed files used by the BBS plus for data to be burned to
DD> CD under WIN98. I also have Terminate on one of those "shared"
DD> drives, so both OS's can use the same copy. So far, each OS
DD> _seems_ to be working OK, with a few OS/2 exceptions noted
DD> below...
Oh, don#t use Dual Boot in production environment! Use Bootmanager and spen
OS/2 its own HPFS partition(s). With Bootmanager you can boot OS/2 from each
partition
DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available
DD> drives, how can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE
DD> A not ready, simply because there isn't a disk in the drive?
Insert a disk, open the drive, close it and then remove the disk. Make a
shutdown. After reboot the WPS knows that nothing is in the drive.
Then you should always close any view of a removeable drive if you would
remove the medium and NOT insert another. After changing the volume you should
make a refresh for one open view to see the change.
DD> (2) I have two Internal USR/3Com Sportster 56k modems on COM3
DD> and COM4, neither of which, is a "WINModem". SIO only
DD> registers COM1 and COM2 when OS/2 is loaded and as a result,
DD> neither modem is available under OS/2. I _did_ add the line
DD> <COM3:115200,3E8> <COM4:115200,2E8> to the DEVICE=SIO line
DD> in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I need to do?
No. But you don't need SIO. Since years the com.sys is changed to fix some
speed problems.
DD> (3) With FP9, my Internal ATAPI ZIP Drive _IS_ recognized and
DD> used by OS/2 however, the ONLY way I can eject a ZIP disk is
DD> to exit OS/2! I can't swap disks while in OS/2, even if I'm
DD> not using it. Is this normal
Yes and no. If you#re using HPFS it is normal.
DD> or am I missing something here as well?
Yes, but I can't say what for now. Because I does not own that. Read the
readmes coming with each fixpack. I think there is a hint to change the
behavior.
DD> (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the
DD> OS/2 WARP Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally
DD> black background with just the Icon's and tool bar, etc.,
DD> displayed. Is this possible and if so, how?
Klick right on an empty area on your
Desktop -> Settings -> background.
This is the same as for each other folder. The desktop is a folder like any
other on your desktop.
DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains....
DD> Will DOS Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a
DD> ScreenSaver active as they do with WIN9x?
No. But why would you use DOS? Native OS/2 programs are more powerfull.
DD> Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few years and it
DD> may take a while to get over the "WIN think" as well.
DD> <g>
DD> Specifically, Terminate!
Urgs. Try to find ZOC. Then you'll never start terminate.
DD> Under WIN9x, it will #NOT# answer the phone when a screen
DD> saver is active. To get around this, I use the Power
DD> Management to turn off the Monitor after 30 minutes. Will I have
DD> to do the same with OS/2?
No.
DD> Is there a "Power Management" feature easily assessable
DD> under OS/2?
I know nothing about Power Management. Because if my computer has to sleep I
will ever shutdown. It will save more power than each power management can do.
DD> As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up &
DD> running, I'm full of questions that I either couldn't find
DD> answers to in the manual or simply didn't understand. I have a
DD> feeling this is just the beginning.<g>
Then ask us.
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From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 11:46:10
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 21:37:16
Subj: Re: fdisk /query
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to MIKE RUSKAI <=-
JdP> The output of PARTLIST, when Linda posts it, will give the raw MBR
JdP> contents, which should demonstrate even more clearly how many visible
JdP> primary partitions she has.
Feel silly but can't find the program with Partlist in it. Sigh.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 11:49:15
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 21:37:16
Subj: Re: fdisk /query
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to MIKE RUSKAI <=-
LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP>>
LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP>> **BIOS: 504MB
JdP> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK.
JdP> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical
O is a DOS double space drive.
JdP> wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short like
It was what was left over. That's all.
Anon,
Linda
... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841!
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From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 11:57:07
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 21:37:16
Subj: Re: Get an OS/2 guru
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP> Have a post.
JdP> Where is it ?
Thought the /query was the part list. Sorry.
Anon,
Linda
... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841!
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From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 12:07:04
To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 21:37:16
Subj: Re: Dos C drive
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would
LP> OS/2 see it then.
MR> No.
MR> There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a word
MR> used by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact happening when
Doing this allowed Warp to see the 3rd partition as D where it hadn't
seen it before I did that.
MR> you set a partition as "installable" is nothing. No changes to the
MR> partition are made. Nothing is written to disk. All that takes place
MR> is that FDISK exits with an errorlevel of eight times the drive number,
MR> where A=1, B=2, etc.
Didn't.
MR> This errorlevel is used by the installation program to determine which
MR> drive should be installed to.
Which it did on the original install by making D partition drive C
Anon,
Linda
... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841!
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From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 12:14:06
To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 21:37:16
Subj: Re: file /query
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
MR> What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of
MR> the partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can
MR> be booted from.
LP> I haven't loaded Warp yet. Each hard drive can be booted from if
LP> necessary (in DOS) from their C partitions.
MR> No, that's not the case at all. The **BIOS: 504MB message up there
MR> means that your BIOS is not doing any translation for the second
That is a DOS doublespace drive partiton.
MR> physical drive. There is also no disk manager program present. Because
MR> of that, no partition beyond the first 504MB of the disk can be read by
MR> the BIOS at all. Since the first partition on that drive is 1GB,
MR> neither it nor any after it can be booted at all, without turning on
MR> translation, and repartitioning the drive entirely.
If hard disk 1 died, the C partiton of hard disk 2 is formated with /s
& I can boot from it if I needed to by making hard drive 2 my boot up
drive.
MR> installing OS/2 will result in only one partition of drive 1 being
MR> visible.
But I haven't installed it yet.
MR> type 0x16, which is an invalid type, making the partitions hidden to
MR> OS/2 (and anything else, until the type is changed back to 0x06).
But I made it see the 3 rd partition.
Anon,
Linda
... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841!
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From: Scott Jones 16-Nov-99 22:12:25
To: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 21:37:16
Subj: Re: Missing Window control..
-=> On 14 Nov 99 18:22:02, Ron Nicholls wrote to George White <=-
GW> The latest versions of Henk Kelders WPTOOLS package CHECKINI will
GW> force a restart of the WPS at the end of a run with correction
GW> enabled
RN> He's no longer at hobbes.
RN> Do you have an address.
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/
Scott Jones
(sjones@crosswinds.net)
... Those who live by the sword are shot by those who don't.
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From: Scott Jones 17-Nov-99 00:39:12
To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 21:37:16
Subj: Re: Win Program setup
-=> On 13 Nov 99 19:35:57, Linda Proulx wrote to Scott Jones <=-
LP> Wondering what your experiences are. Can one have both set up?
SJ> Thinking back now, I haven't run a Win app since I installed TurboTax
SJ> for my wife back in January, but IIRC, yes, you can do both.
LP> How is it done? Are the programs set for single session but others set
LP> for same session?
Basically, yes. As I mentioned, on my machine Win apps are normally run
in separate sessions, but I've also done a mix of the two on occasion.
It just depends on what I (or my wife) happen to be doing at the time.
For her, data integrity is important. She doesn't need for a GPF in
WordPerfect to kill a client's income tax return that she's been working
on for several hours, so I have her apps set up to run in different
sessions. Since my usage of Win apps is very intermittent, I tend to
run them in one session. This is also covered in detail in "Unleashed"
(WinOS/2 in general starting on p.453, separate sessions starting on
p.461) much better than I could hope to explain it.
Scott Jones
(sjones@crosswinds.net)
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From: John Thompson 17-Nov-99 15:51:00
To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: Dos C drive
In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Dos C drive
LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would
LP> OS/2 see it then.
Not if you installed OS/2 on its own primary partition. You need
to install OS/2 on a logical partition ("D:") and then it will be
able to see your DOS installation on C:.
You need to choose the "advanced" installation to do this, IIRC.
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From: John Thompson 17-Nov-99 15:51:00
To: Jack Stein 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
In a message to Murray Lesser, Jack Stein wrote re: Get an OS/2 guru
JS> Well, it was designed by, and for, command line finatics... On the other
hand,
JS> it's usefulness in OS/2 is not near what it was in DOS, and it is
expensive,
JS> and, it is no longer nice shareware, but "crippleware", so I won't badger
you
JS> about it, not that I think for one moment I could talk you into it
anyway:-)
I find 4OS2 just as useful as 4DOS was in DOS. But if the money
is a concern, many (but by no means all) 4OS2 features can be had
for free with YAOS.
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From: Andy Roberts 17-Nov-99 11:52:09
To: John Thompson 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: Get Going
John Thompson,
16-Nov-99 19:58:00, John Thompson wrote to Andy Roberts
JT> In a message to Linda Proulx, Andy Roberts wrote re: Get Going
Subject: Get Going
AR>> I exposed my wife to computers a couple of decades ago with an
AR>> Epson QX-10 and ValDocs which had a GUI (better than WinXX has
AR>> now) and allowed long file names, which she got addicted to.
JT> Good grief! Another Ex-QX user! I just retired my last QX-16 this
JT> past July, not because of any problems (it still works fine) but
JT> just because my son needed something a little more modern for his
JT> school work.
One thing about Epson back then, they didn't slight quality. Of course we had
to pay $3-5000 for it. My 2 Epson QX-10 systems were both still working when
I put them in storage a few years ago.
JT> But a couple little nit-picks. The Valdocs environment wasn't a
JT> GUI, it was text-based (except Valpaint). But it was still quite
JT> unusual, especially for a Z80-based system, in that it used
JT> multiple text windows on the screen. Ie, when you popped up a
JT> menu, it actually appeared in a separate text window that scrolled
JT> up from the bottom of the screen.
Technically you are right in that ValDocs was not a GUI in the sense that it
did not have Icons for loading apps. OTOH is did shield the user from the
command line with it's menu system and integration of 10 apps. And the menus
allowed mouse selection.
JT> And it was probably the first truly integrated environment, with word
JT> processing, spreadsheet, paint, graphs, mail, etc. all transparently
JT> integrated with each other.
IIRC the word processor was even WYSIWYG. Amazing what they could fit on a
360K floppy.
JT> It's a shame it died so soon.
I think I got about 12+ years of use out of mine. Actually I probably got
more years than that out of it, since I kept it beside my newer PCs, until I
could find a reasonable replacement for ValDraw, which was the Grand Daddy of
CAD. Even AutoCAD and BlueCAD have yet to catch up with all the easy to use
features of ValDraw. ValDocs certainly was a foundation post which many
other software developers tried to emulate. And it took them way over 10
years to begin to catch up. Epson OTOH decided they were better at hardware
and primarily printers, so without the financial backing of Epson, ValDocs
had to become a unique but obsolete package.
JT> And the "long file names" weren't really. They were descriptive
JT> pointers that used the Valdocs indexing system to refer to the
JT> real file names, which were typical CP/M 8.3 file names of the
JT> form 881031A1.VAL
I agree about that too. But again ValDocs completely shielded the user from
knowing or having to use 8.3 file names for the most part. The default
option allowed the user to enter almost any long file name. And the user did
not have to type that long file name again, but rather select it from a menu
with a mouse to open it again. And as far as an index with pointers is
concerned, that is not so different than what WinXX does. And very likely
where M$ got that idea. Granted it is not real long file names in the way
OS/2 does it. But to the user who knew nothing about the technical details,
for all practical purposes it was the same. And to my wife who wanted to
make her file names the full description of it's contents, it was addictive.
And raw DOS provided no good alternative to her. I remember writing long
Batch files with error level menus and popup ANSI screens for DOS in an
effort to make a semi-GUI for her to use. I even made some of the menus
mouse aware. While that is not GUI in the sense of Icons, it was a necessity
to fill the gap in software development between the time of ValDocs and OS/2.
I'm certainly not trying to say ValDocs was better than OS/2, provided the
OS/2 user carefully select a good suite of apps and use a lot of REXX to glue
the pieces together. But ValDocs development ended before M$ and OS/2 were
even imagined in the minds of developers. In a way ValDocs was the "cream of
the crop" of a very well established CP/M system (with the TPM variant),
which eventually led to DOS which eventually led to OS/2 which eventually
sidetracked to WinXX. I regard the Epson QX-10 and ValDocs with the same
admiration I give to a vintage "top of the line" antique car. They just
don't make them like that anymore. And present developers would do well to
take a lesson from those long gone masters. There was a time when bloated
code and massive CPU power was not necessary to get the job done.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: Larry Snider 16-Nov-99 20:24:27
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: Tutorial
Hi Jonathan,
13-Nov-99 20:52:54, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Ron Nicholls
Subject: Tutorial
RN>> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this weekend.
jdbp> RN>
RN>> Just where is it kept ????
jdbp> [C:\]which tutorial 15-08-1996 02:58:58 pm 62946 8136
jdbp> _____A C:\OS2\TUTORIAL.EXE
jdbp> [C:\]ver
jdbp> 4OS2 3.01A OS/2 Version is 4.00
jdbp> [C:\]
Is which a 4OS2 ver 3 command? I don't have it in ver 2.50.
Larry Snider
Larry.Snider@attglobal.net
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From: Larry Snider 16-Nov-99 20:26:29
To: Rachel Veraa 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
Hi Rachel,
09-Nov-99 21:27:09, Rachel Veraa wrote to All
Subject: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
rv> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long
rv> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files
Transfer over what kind medium?
Larry Snider
Larry.Snider@attglobal.net
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 04:00:00
To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: Clunker update
Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Peter Knapper
on 11-15-99 13:23 about Clunker update...
PK> A later fixpak for Warp 3 added a facilty to better manage what is
PK> called "Single Input Queue" lockups.
JDBP> *Synchronous* Input Queue.
JDBP> Repeat after me:
JDBP> "Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has been, and
JDBP> has always had multiple input queues, one per application
JDBP> thread. Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has
JDBP> been, and has always had multiple input queues, one per
JDBP> application thread. Presentation Manager is multithreaded,
JDBP> always has been, and has always had multiple input queues, one
JDBP> per application thread ..."
JDBP> It's the fact that raw input is taken synchronously from the mouse and
JDBP> keyboard into the various *multiple* application message queues that is
JDBP> the problem. If it were taken asynchronously, there wouldn't be a
JDBP> problem.
That seems an odd, if not somewhat incorrect, way of putting it.
The root of the problem is the different between WinSendMsg() and
WinPostMsg(). The former blocks while awaiting a response. The latter
returns only an indicator of whether or not the message was successfully
stuffed into the message queue in question (which, incidentally, has a
default size of 10 messages).
The reason PM is synchronous is because it uses WinSendMsg() for *all*
messages that it sends to applications, regardless of whether or not a
meaningful response is required. The consequence is that the registered
window procedure must return before PM is free to send messages to other
queues.
This was a design decision to make it easier for Windows programmers to
migrate to OS/2, without nuking themselves with the new multiple-thread
possibilities. With an asynchronous model, having multiple threads with
multiple queues requires a certain amount of logic to make sure that
messages are processed in the correct order (since there's no necessary
connection between the chronology of messages, and the chronology of thread
scheduling).
Win9x/NT have an asynchronous model, and most Win32 are poorly written,
from an interface standpoint, because of it.
The "fix" in OS/2 that was added with a Warp 3 fixpack just waits the
specified amount of time before deciding that a thread which hasn't
answered the message yet won't answer it at all, after which the
application is taken out of the loop until it responds to future messages.
I'm not sure exactly how it's done, but there's probably a proxy put in to
respond to messages on behalf of the application (returning a safe but
meaningless return), which in turn waits for the application to provide an
actual response, after which it should take itself out of the proxy
position.
I've been looking at the possibility of kludging the PM to make it
asynchronous (since most applications wouldn't break if it were), but it's
not a simple matter.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... I never miss Rush Limbaugh! He's far too big a target!
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 04:20:00
To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: fdisk /query
Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai
on 11-16-99 10:13 about fdisk /query...
LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP>>
LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP>> **BIOS: 504MB
LP>> Does this answer anything?
MR> [...]
MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't.
JDBP> Er, Mike ? See all the "1"s in the Vtype column ? ...
JDBP> (-:
Honestly, I didn't :)
JDBP> The output of PARTLIST, when Linda posts it, will give the raw MBR
JDBP> contents, which should demonstrate even more clearly how many visible
JDBP> primary partitions she has.
The problem, it would seem, is more complicated than that. OS/2 apparently
has no trouble assigning letters to multiple primary partitions on one
drive, but Boot Manager stops the show if it's told to boot a primary
partition, by way of making that partition visible, and all other primary
partitions not visible.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... And if she weighs as much as a duck?
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 04:24:00
To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: fdisk /query
Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai
on 11-16-99 13:26 about fdisk /query...
LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP>>
LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP>> **BIOS: 504MB
JDBP> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK.
JDBP> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical
JDBP> drive that aren't assigned to any partition. The irony is that with
JDBP> the scheme chosen by Linda's guru, this space is completely unusable,
JDBP> since no more partitions can be created on the disc. (Although one
JDBP> wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short like
JDBP> this. Perhaps a side effect of creating the partition using a hex
JDBP> editor on the partition table and doing the arithmetic incorrectly ?
JDBP> (-:)
It might have been FDISK that did the bad math. One of my drives has 7MB
of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive defined.
FDISK did it, not me.
What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely invisible
to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024 cylinders.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
... A little testy today, aren't we?
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From: Stephen Haffly 17-Nov-99 11:40:23
To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: Get Going
On (16 Nov 99) Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts...
<SNIP>
LP> Haven't learned it yet. Honest. And Warp feels very natural to me.
LP> Just a few mouse habits from 3.1 to unlearn, but no problem with it.
That's because you've been using Geoworks Ensemble. Both that and OS/2
use a Motif style interface, although the one on OS/2 is much more
powerful (right mouse button does so much more). OS/2 felt quite
natural to me too when I first started using it.
LP> Look forward to doing some serious stuff with Warp.
I think you will be quite pleased.
TTYL,
Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.
... If you're not GeoWorking, you're working too hard!
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From: Stephen Haffly 17-Nov-99 12:11:29
To: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: Missing Window control..
On (16 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Mike Ruskai...
Hi Will,
MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison
MR> with FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field
MR> (my preference), etc.
WH> MR>
MR> Pretty stupid.
WH> I traced the Post Road code and that's exactly what they did. I've
WH> got several years worth of this kind of crap collected in one of my
WH> YGBSM files - amazing what 'professional' programmers will do at
WH> times.
Is there any way to patch the PostRoad code so that it works properly
then?
TTYL,
Stephen
Team OS/2, Team GEOS
OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination.
... Windows 95 is plug 'n play. OS/2 Warp is install and work!
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From: David Randall 17-Nov-99 18:20:13
To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: FTP & Telenet
Linda Proulx wrote in a message to David Randall:
DR> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You
DR> can choose to use either or both.
LP> But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS?
You just set FrontDoor up to run without a bbs. There are many mail only
nodes. Alternately, you can just use the terminal part of FD instead of say
Telix or ProComm.
... Friends don't let friends use Windows
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From: David Randall 17-Nov-99 18:28:22
To: Dave Davidson 18-Nov-99 00:27:04
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
Dave Davidson wrote in a message to All:
DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains....
DD> Will DOS Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a
DD> ScreenSaver active as they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've
DD> been using WIN9x for a few years and it may take a while to
DD> get over the "WIN think" as well. <g> Specifically,
DD> Terminate! Under WIN9x, it will #NOT# answer the phone when a
DD> screen saver is active. To get around this, I use the Power
DD> Management to turn off the Monitor after 30 minutes. Will I
DD> have to do the same with OS/2? Is there a "Power Management"
DD> feature easily assessable under OS/2?
I use Warp 3 rather than 4, but BLANKER doesn't cause problems with DOS comm
programs. I can't comment on other screen saver programs because I haven't
tried them, but OS/2 handles DOS programs much better than WIN9x, so I don't
believe you'll have a problem.
... Won't Nuclear Winter cancel out the Greenhouse Effect?
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From: Will Honea 17-Nov-99 20:14:00
To: Stephen Haffly 17-Nov-99 20:14:00
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
Stephen Haffly wrote to Will Honea on 11-16-1999
SH> On (15 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Dave Davidson...
SH>
SH> Hi Will,
SH>
SH> WH> Odds on, you have com3 sharing an IRQ (4) with Com1 and com4 sharing
SH> WH> an IRQ (3) with com2. OS/2 will not allow this - gotta have unique
SH> WH> IRQ's or one of the boards supported by SIO to share IRQ's. If there
SH> WH> is no mouse on com1/com2, you might sneak by if you tell SIO what IRQ
SH> WH> to use (com3,3e8,4) (com4,2e8,3). That used to work at lower speeds
SH> WH> but I haven't tried it in a while.
SH>
SH> OK, this leads to a question that most probably belongs in OS2HW,
SH> but I'll keep it brief here.
SH>
SH> How come I can't seem to get the motherboard com ports working
SH> with OS/2 Warp 4? I always have to disable them and put in a serial
SH> card. Meanwhile, DOS and the dominant OS seem to see and work with
SH> them just fine.
SH>
SH> This has been the case with more than one motherboard, anything
SH> from a 486VIP to my current VA-503+. Is there a secret that I don't
SH> know about?
TO be succinct: beats the hell out of me! Obvious questions: do you
have the comm ports enabled as COM1, COM2 in the bios setup? Did you
ever run 'full hardware detect' on boot? I'd ask if you had comm.sys
loaded, but since you see the addin board that would be insulting<g>.
My 503 works like a champ - external modem on com2 - with the only
differnce being the use of SIO.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 17-Nov-99 20:37:01
To: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 20:37:01
Subj: Ftp
Ron Nicholls wrote to All on 11-17-1999
RN>
RN> Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com'
RN> recently. I get a strangely broken up root list
RN> with no access to any dir even with full
RN> drwx permission.
RN> Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered
RN> if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub .
RN>
RN> Other sites behave normaly, very strange.
RN>
RN> I am using ftp-pm and this started when I went
RN> looking for java 118 having seen fixes for
RN> same but informed by soft ware choice that it
RN> is not released yet.
As of 20:36 MST 11/17/1999 I can go from the root all the way to
ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118/ without a stammer
with Comm/2 4.61 and wget.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 00:37:00
To: Stephen Haffly 18-Nov-99 00:37:00
Subj: Missing Window control..
Stephen Haffly wrote to Will Honea on 11-17-1999
SH> On (16 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Mike Ruskai...
SH>
SH> Hi Will,
SH>
SH> MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison
SH> MR> with FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field
SH> MR> (my preference), etc.
SH> WH> MR>
SH> MR> Pretty stupid.
SH>
SH> WH> I traced the Post Road code and that's exactly what they did. I've
SH> WH> got several years worth of this kind of crap collected in one of my
SH> WH> YGBSM files - amazing what 'professional' programmers will do at
SH> WH> times.
SH>
SH> Is there any way to patch the PostRoad code so that it works
SH> properly then?
I did a quick and dirty that seemed to work for the simple tests I
tried, but that code is NOT well organized so I would hesitate to put
it out.
Actually, there are 2 very simple solutions: revert to FP10 or
earlier or update to FP12.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 00:43:01
To: Mike Ruskai 18-Nov-99 00:43:01
Subj: fdisk /query
MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD on 11-17-1999
MR>
MR> of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive
MR> defined. FDISK did it, not me.
MR>
MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely
MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024
MR> cylinders.
You will find that there is a 1 cylinder 'hole' on any drive with only
an extended partition. Essentially, it stems from having the partition
table on the first cylinder and the convention of starting all
partitions (not logical drive, partitions) on a cylinder boundary.
Since the extended partition can't use the first sector of the first
cylinder, it gets pushed to the second cylinder in order to start on
the desired boundary. Waste of space, but that's what happens when you
cobble a kludge on top of a kludge to maintain legacy compatibility.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: George White 16-Nov-99 08:29:07
To: James Mckenzie 18-Nov-99 06:15:01
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hi James,
On 14-Nov-99, James Mckenzie wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
LP>>> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp
LP>>> unleashed the minimum date is somewhere in 1990.
ET>> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd
ET>> edition) publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ISBN 0-672-30545-3
ET>> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must
ET>> have a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book.
ET>> Please tell where I can find it in this book if it's in there.
ET>> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2
ET>> Warp 3" or in the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book.
JM> It was not in any of those publications, but it was on both AMI's
JM> and IBM's "informational" FTP sites, that the BIOS date must be
JM> after 6/1/1991 in order for OS/2 to "see" all of the system's
JM> memory correctly. Of course, this only applies if you install
JM> 16MB or more. It had to do with the memory address bus
JM> configuration. You could install more memory, OS/2 (and amazingly
JM> Windows) could not "see" all of it
Oh yes it was! (Sorry, couldn't resist. The pantomine season is
rapidly approaching. <g>) It's in the Warp Connect Red Users Guide
chapter 20 (page 300 et sequa in my copy). They document a 9/90 cutoff
date for AMI BIOSs due to a problem with IDE timings.
George
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 09:32:29
To: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 06:15:01
Subj: Multiple visible primary partitions
JP>> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify
JP>> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-:
JP>>
JP>> By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source), Process_Partition()
JP>> takes the first recognisable partition in the MBR that it finds, and
JP>> Build_Next_VolCB() only calls it once per MBR.
JP>>
JP>> The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to
JP>> take the for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move
JP>> it into both Build_Next_VolCB() and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it
JP>> along the way so that it doesn't exit prematurely any more by
JP>> removing the `found' logic, and make Process_Partition() take the
JP>> current loop index as an extra parameter instead.
JP>>
JP>> Daniela ?
WH> I did something similar when I wrote a DOS driver to support more than
WH> 2 drives and I seem to recall some nasty problems with it. It's been
WH> several years so I don't remember the details but a glance back at
WH> the code shows I pulled it out.
The only problems would have been if you had coded it the way that linux does
in the `extended_partition' function in drivers\block\genhd.c . (-:
linux does completely the wrong check for a valid partition table entry (It
*should* check the type byte to see whether it is non-zero, but instead it
checks the sector count and offset fields for sanity.) and then has the gall
to complain in comments that "sometimes the entry is full of garbage". Well
no wonder! It should be filtering out all of the type 00 entries.
Both FreeDOS and OpenDOS (a.k.a. DR-DOS) do the checks properly
(`processtable' in SOURCE\DOS-C\SRC\KERNEL\DSK.C in the former, `hard_init' in
IBMBIO\DISK.ASM in the latter), checking the partition type *first*.
All three support multiple visible primary partitions without incident,
however.
As does Windows NT.
And as, as I mentioned in a previous message, I suspect also does PC/MS-DOS,
given that in its earliest days it *only* supported primary partitions.
OS/2 Warp is very much on its own, here. OS2DASD.DMD should be fixed.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 10:50:18
To: Dave Davidson 18-Nov-99 06:15:01
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
DD> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 only
DD> see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted.
I have a 8.49GiB (9.1GB) drive and OS/2 sees all of it just fine.
The issue with drive sizes is a complex one, and I don't really have the time
to type in a full explanation here. But here are two points that should start
you going in the right direction:
■ The size limits on bootable partitions are imposed by the antiquated BIOS
API for accessing hard discs (which is, of course, the only way to access hard
discs before an operating system has booted). The absolute maximum size of
disc that is "visible" via the BIOS API is 1024 cylinders * 255 tracks * 63
sectors, which is around 7.84GiB (8.42GB). All boot files and partitions for
all operating systems, or at least the portions of those operating systems
that are read before the operating system's own disc device drivers kick in,
must fit within the first 1024 cylinders.
■ The consequence of the above is that one cannot partition a drive greater
than 7.84GiB into one big bootable partition. One *has* to have a boot
partition, 7.84GiB in size, and at least one other partition consuming the
rest of the space. The latter partition(s) will not be visible from DOS or at
boot time (since they both use the BIOS API to access hard discs). And this
is indeed pretty much how I have my drive set up (with the exception that I
have a 1 cylinder wide FAT boot partition, for reasons that I won't go into):
[C:\]partlist 1
Physical disc 1 (1109 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors per track)
Contents of partition records in MBR at block 00000000
------------------------------------------------------
Type Start Length start chs end chs
-- ---------------------- -------- -------- ------------- -------------
*0a Boot Manager 0000003f 00003e82 ( 0, 1, 1) ( 0,254,63)
07 OS/2 IFS (e.g. HPFS) 00003ec1 00fa867e ( 1, 0, 1) (1022,254,63)
05 Secondary MBR 00fac53f 001514d6 (1023, 0, 1) (1023,254,63)
>> Only those cylinders up to 1023 are accessible to the BIOS
>> End CHS values (1108,254,63) truncated at 1024th cylinder
00 (Free) 00000000 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0)
Contents of partition records in MBR at block 00fac53f
------------------------------------------------------
Type Start Length start chs end chs
-- ---------------------- -------- -------- ------------- -------------
*01 12-bit FAT 00fac57e 00003e82 (1023, 1, 1) (1023,254,63)
05 Secondary MBR 00fb0400 0014d615 (1023,254,63) (1023,254,63)
>> Inaccessible at boot time because of BIOS 1023 cylinder limit
>> Start CHS values (1024, 0, 1) truncated at 1024th cylinder
>> End CHS values (1108,254,63) truncated at 1024th cylinder
>> Does not begin on a track boundary
00 (Free) 00fac53f 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0)
00 (Free) 00fac53f 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0)
Contents of partition records in MBR at block 00fb0400
------------------------------------------------------
Type Start Length start chs end chs
-- ---------------------- -------- -------- ------------- -------------
*07 OS/2 IFS (e.g. HPFS) 00fb043f 0014d5d6 (1023,254,63) (1023,254,63)
>> Inaccessible at boot time because of BIOS 1023 cylinder limit
>> Start CHS values (1024, 1, 1) truncated at 1024th cylinder
>> End CHS values (1108,254,63) truncated at 1024th cylinder
>> Does not begin on a track boundary
00 (Free) 00fb0400 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0)
00 (Free) 00fb0400 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0)
00 (Free) 00fb0400 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0)
[C:\]
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 11:21:11
To: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 06:15:01
Subj: Missing Window control..
WH> It was enough of a nuisance that I ran a script every few days to
WH> reset all the archive bits on all directories since I could never
WH> tell what program would mess up next.
A one-line script:
attrib /s /a:d -a c:\*
WH> FP 12 reverted to the early behavior.
That's a shame.
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From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 11:25:07
To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 06:15:01
Subj: Multiple visible primary partitions
ML> See a recent post from JdeBP to me for an explanation of how this
ML> may be done. I assume that he agrees with me that it is very poor
ML> practice to play this game. In any case, "someone else" was not
ML> running OS/2 Boot Manager :-). According to a post to Linda from
ML> John Thompson, recent versions of Windows can also see all primary
ML> partitions. (He doesn't know whether this is "a good thing,"
ML> either.) But there goes Microsoft again, making up its own rules as
ML> it goes along :-).
Let me put it this way: I can see no valid reason, from what has been posted
so far, to use the scheme that Linda's guru has used.
However, I should point out, in all fairness, that Microsoft *isn't* making up
the rules as it goes along and changing the goalposts with new releases of
Windows, at least not in this case. This particular rule has a very long
pedigree.
As you will no doubt remember, Murray, back in the mists of time, MS/PC-DOS
didn't actually support extended partitions originally. There was no such
thing as primary partitions. They were just "partitions", and there was a
maximum of four of them. And they could only hold up to 32MeB each. So if
one was rich enough to have a hard disc bigger than 32MeB, one had to have a
second, third, or even a fourth "visible" partition. The idea of having an
"extended partition", type 05, came along when this scheme proved to be
inadequate.
The whole notion of extended partitions is an ugly kludge, and also somewhat
wasteful of disc space since because of cylinder alignment requirements the
secondary MBRs that form the linked list of partition "subtables" waste a
whole track each. It's certainly *not* how one would design a hard disc
partitioning scheme if one were designing it from scratch (rather than trying
to retrofit something decent on top of the old "four partitions" scheme and
retain backwards compatibility).
Given this, I suspect that the concept of having four *visible* (/i.e./ type
0X) primary partitions is a very old one in the DOS world. It would certainly
explain why almost all PC operating systems, apart from OS/2, support it.
I still would like to see Daniela Engert, or someone else with a history of
mucking about with the DASD drivers in OS/2 (such as the developer of the
FAT32 installable filesystem driver), fix this problem in OS2DASD.DMD .
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From: Murray Lesser 17-Nov-99 19:31:00
To: Jack Stein 17-Nov-99 19:31:00
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-15-99, Jack Stein to Albert Sodyl)
Hi Jack--
JS>Not certain what you are running, but I ran OS/2 2.1 for a couple of
>years on a 486/33 with 8 megs. It ran great, never crashed on me.
>I switched to WARP 3 ONLY because IBM gave me a free copy, and it
>has TCP/IP so works great with the internet. WARP 3 ran great on 8
>megs also. Still run it on the same machine, but now have 20 megs
>ram, still runs great. I have WARP 3 BLUE, WARP 3 CONNECT and WIN95
>installed on this machine. I never use WARP connect, and am thinking
>of installing WARP 4 on that partition, but, most people seem to
>think WARP 4 would be a bit of a pig on this vintage machine. They
>also said that about WARP 3, but were wrong about that. My 486 with
>WARP 3 blue is faster for many things than my P133 at work with WIN95
>on it, and works a hell of a lot better.
For what it is worth, my wife is running Warp 4 FixPak 5 on my old
PS/VP 433DX (32 MB RAM) with no complaints. Of course, she runs only
text-mode programs, most of them written for DOS and running under a
VDM. I notice the difference when I am running some OS/2 diagnostics
with her machine, as compared to running them on my vintage-1997
ThinkPad 365XD (P120 when plugged into the wall - P60 when on battery).
But she thinks her "new machine" is great when compared to running many
of the same programs on to her previous 16 MHz, PS/2 model 80 under
IBM-DOS 5 revision 1. Guess it depends on what you are used to :-).
According to the books, it takes more (minimum) RAM to run Warp 4
than it did to run Warp 3 (but 20 MB should be more than sufficient) and
at least a 80486 chip (which you have), and somewhat larger boot drive
(I have 205 MB, but the network stuff that I use is in another
partition). There are also some add-ons that came with Warp 4 (such as
voice recognition--one of the many options I never bothered to install)
that require a more-powerful CPU chip than either you or I have. But I
can't see why Warp 4 would run any slower than Warp 3 on your machine if
you stick to the same class of applications. I replaced the
preinstalled Win95 with Warp 4 (instead of with Warp 3) on my ThinkPad
only because: 1) I had a DevCon freebie, and 2) there was more device
support right off of the CD-ROM for some of the ThinkPad goodies. Now
that I have been running Warp 4 for a couple of years, I wouldn't go
back (because I am used to it!). For troubleshooting convenience, and
because I had a second Warp 4 CD-ROM, I replaced Warp 3 with Warp 4 in
my wife's "new" machine when I reconfigured it for her set of
applications. But if you are happy with what you have, why switch?
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser 17-Nov-99 21:40:01
To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 21:40:01
Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-16-99, Peter Knapper to Linda Proulx)
Hi Peter--
PK>No, you are getting distracted again. Once the OS/2 Desktop is
>visible, then the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture and has
>absolutely NO AFFECT on the Keyboard/Mouse. The "stop working"
>referred to above refers to when the BIOS is in control of the
>Keyboard/Mouse during the initial boot process.
Not entirely true when running in a VDM. According to the IBM
manual "OS/2 V3 Virtual Device Driver Reference," most VDM keyboard
support (particularly INT 16H) still uses the BIOS. From the CD-ROM
Online Library - OS/2 Collection for January 1996:
"Since the BIOS INT 16h service only references the BIOS data area for
keystrokes, the BIOS continues to provide this service."
If you scan the tables in the front of the reference manual, you
will find several other BIOS software interrupts that are handled by the
hardware-supplied BIOS, rather than by the VDD software. Among these
are the diskette drive motors. However, as near as I can tell, the
VMOUSE driver is not one of them.
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Lee Aroner 15-Nov-99 17:40:00
To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: Install 1/
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> Lee Aroner wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LA> A few suggested changes:
LP> IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C
LA> Try 512 or 1024 ^^ ^ Try 16 or 32
LA> (f you have more than 16 megs of memory and are using HPFS)
LP> Have 6.
Eeeeek! It's gonna be slow.
> SET PROMPT=$i[$p]
LA> Try this as : $p$g and add a line like:
LA> SET DIRCMD=/A/O:GN/P/V
LP> Why.
This removes the help prompt and the DirCmd gives you control
over how files and dirs are presented. Do a HELP DIRCMD to see
what your options are.
> FILES=20 (Change to 60 or 80)
LA> Change this immediately...20 is too low for win apps and some dos
LA> apps will also choke...
LP> Ok.
> MAXWAIT=3
LA> On a fast machine you can change this to "2"
LP> Speed 25. What is considered fast 75/100? Less, more?
25 Pentium, or 486? Leave it at 3 if 486. This param determines
how often the system looks at things...on a slow machine it means
CPU cycles will be spent that could be better used on apps.
> BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD
LA> Unless you have a Microchannel machine, REM this out
LP> Ok.
> BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT
LA> You only need this for reading compressed install type disks,
LA> REM it out if you are done with the installs.
LP> Ok. Only OS/2 compressed?
Yup.
> FCBS=16,8
LA> Set this to "8,4"
LP> Again, why?
Waste of resources. Most DOS apps don't use FCBs and the ones
that do don't, as a rule, need this many. The only ones that
might would be really, really old stuff, like DOS version 2.
> DOS=LOW,NOUMB
LA> You can experiment with "DOS=HIGH,UMB" when everything else is
LA> working properly and if you have DOS apps that need more memory
LA> or if you want to experiment with loading DOS drivers high...
LA> this can also sometimes help with Win apps.
LP> According to the book, my hardware memory needed this. Only 6 remember.
This has nada to do with hardware...it's only a setting for
whether the non-transient portion of command.com (and other parts
of the DOS base code) will be loaded high, and whether drivers
will be allowed to load into UMBs. On a memory constrained
machine, it may (will almost certainly in your case) actually
hurt more than help. Leave it at low for now and revisit it when
you get some more memory.
LA> The rest of it looks ok.
LP> Good.
LP> Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general data
> directory for all the program. But then haven't had a chance to do a
> lot of playing yet.
LA> Settings for individual applications are on the properties
LA> notebook for the object, accessable by right clicking.
LP> All applications, no matter what?
. [ Continued In Next Message... ]
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To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: Install 2/
. [ ...Continued From Previous Message ]
DOS and Win apps mostly. OS/2 apps have some settings you can
access, but don't need memory settings, since that is built into
the program and the OS.
LA> Good luck...
LP> Thanks, but I think that the beloved clunker just won't cut it. I trust
> you've seen my posts about the hang.
Yes, but that is probably a solvable issue. It may take more
effort than you are willing to expend though...
LRA
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From: Lee Aroner 16-Nov-99 21:26:00
To: Dave Davidson 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
DD> Now that I have OS/2 loaded and "running", the questions are
mounting.....
DD> I know Andy's gonna be "pi**ed" at me for what I did, but here's the way
> I have the system's setup at present. Warp 4 on both.
DD> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 only see's
> 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted. Haven't really done much
> with that machine as I'm waiting to finish the P120 which will be
> dedicated to OS/2 with the 10.3GB and a new 8.3GB HD's and 96MB Ram.
IIRC, the latest IDE driver package and a reboot will give you
all of that drive...
DD> Most of these questions are probably relatively simple for old OS/2
user's
> but remember, I'm a _newbie_ with a lot of "DOS think" to get rid of. <g>
DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available drives, how
> can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE A not ready, simply
> because there isn't a disk in the drive?
Hmm...that's odd. No matter what I try, I can't duplicate that
behaviour. Have you tried opening the drives folder and selecting
another drive, then close the folder?
DD> (2) I have two Internal USR/3Com Sportster 56k modems on COM3 and COM4,
> neither of which, is a "WINModem". SIO only registers COM1 and COM2
> when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, neither modem is available under
> OS/2. I _did_ add the line <COM3:115200,3E8> <COM4:115200,2E8> to the
> DEVICE=SIO line in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I need
> to do?
Try specifying the IRQ to use. The SIO docs tell how.
DD> (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the OS/2 WARP
> Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally black background with
> just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., displayed. Is this possible and
if
> so, how?
Right click on the desktop, select "Properties" and the
"Background" tab. Pick what ya want.
DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... Will DOS
> Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a ScreenSaver active as
> they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few
years
> and it may take a while to get over the "WIN think" as well. <g>
> Specifically, Terminate! Under WIN9x, it will #NOT# answer the phone
> when a screen saver is active. To get around this, I use the Power
> Management to turn off the Monitor after 30 minutes. Will I have to
do
> the same with OS/2? Is there a "Power Management" feature easily
> assessable under OS/2?
Don't be silly, this is OS/2. Your DOS com program won't know
whether there is a screen saver or not. Note that you will have
do some fiddling with the DOS properties to get things perfect,
but hey, that's half the fun!
DD> As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up & running, I'm
> full of questions that I either couldn't find answers to in the manual or
> simply didn't understand. I have a feeling this is just the beginning.<g>
DD> Thanks...
>
> Have a GREAT one!
I did !
LRA
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From: Lee Aroner 16-Nov-99 21:28:01
To: Sean Dennis 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: SIO/VModem FAQ?
SD> To get it via email FREQ:
SD> 1) Send a message to ah2@softhome.net with the subject of FREQ.
> 2) In the message, use FREQ SIOFAQ.
> 3) To request an ALLFILE listing, use FREQ ALLFILES.
> 4) For help, use FREQ HELP.
Interesting utility.
What is it?
Are you running Adept?
<Thinking about converting from TriBBS to Adept or PCB>...
LRA
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From: Lee Aroner 16-Nov-99 21:24:02
To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: Deskarc List
JdBP> [ This is a pr cis of a message in the TAUCMD echo. ]
SW> DESKARC LIST produces no output here.
JdBP> About three months ago, I posted a question asking if
> anyone knew the internal structure of
> \OS2\ARCHIVES\ARCHIVES.$$$ . Once I know that, I can add
> code to DESKARC to pretty-print the information contained
> in it when the LIST option is used.
JdBP> Unfortunately, I've had no replies, and I don't have the time to sit
down
> with a hex viewer and work out the structure of the file
> myself. If anyone reading this wants to do so, I'd be
> grateful. I gather that there are several people who are
> interested in the tools when they are finished but who
> don't have enough spare time to cope with the full cycle of
> installing and using pre-releases as I shovel them out,
> even though they would like to contribute something if they
> could. This is their chance. If they want to make a more
> modest contribution, one which won't be as demanding of
> their time, figuring out the structure of ARCHIVES.$$$ can
> be it.
JdBP> Let me know what it is, and I'll implement the LIST option
> of the DESKARC command.
Hmmm...you might as well have put my name on that message <g>
Looking at it right now, seems like a simple enough structure.
> (Note added later...there really isn't much in the way of usefull
> information here, might want to consider if it's actually worth
> the code? Read on for the gory details).
Basic Structure:
21 bytes of unknown data, followed by a text label at offset
21d/15h, the label is: "Originally installed Archive", followed
by 53 bytes of nulls, a two byte numbering label at offset
102d/66h, followed by 246 bytes of nulls, followed by a 10 byte
string ("<drive>:\Desktop" at offset 358d/166h, followed by 246
nulls, followed by a restart of the above sequence to a total of
four such entries.
The text string at 21d into each section *other* than the first,
is always: "Complete Archive", (There ain't much actual data
here...)
Note: All offsets are zero based.
Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246 nulls.
Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and
you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs.
Note: The "numbering label" mentioned above is not sequential,
the four labels are: (in order of appearance) "0X", "02", "01",
and "03". On my maintenance partition, the order is: "0X", "01",
"03", and "02". My guess is this is more of a type label than a
sequence number, but what it indicates, I have no idea. Haven't
found any clues in my old DD kit, nor inside any executable on
disk, which seems reasonable considering they are compressed...
I'm guessing that the 21 byte section header contains a date and
time, and undoubtedly something else, but what? I'll have a go
at decoding the date/time part tomorro.
I'll also post a structure tomorrow.
LRA
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To: Lee Aroner 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: Deskarc List
* CARBON COPY:
* Original was to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD in 1:OS2 on the TOPHAT BBS.
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JdBP> [ This is a pr cis of a message in the TAUCMD echo. ]
SW> DESKARC LIST produces no output here.
JdBP> About three months ago, I posted a question asking if
> anyone knew the internal structure of
> \OS2\ARCHIVES\ARCHIVES.$$$ . Once I know that, I can add
> code to DESKARC to pretty-print the information contained
> in it when the LIST option is used.
JdBP> Unfortunately, I've had no replies, and I don't have the time to sit
down
> with a hex viewer and work out the structure of the file
> myself. If anyone reading this wants to do so, I'd be
> grateful. I gather that there are several people who are
> interested in the tools when they are finished but who
> don't have enough spare time to cope with the full cycle of
> installing and using pre-releases as I shovel them out,
> even though they would like to contribute something if they
> could. This is their chance. If they want to make a more
> modest contribution, one which won't be as demanding of
> their time, figuring out the structure of ARCHIVES.$$$ can
> be it.
JdBP> Let me know what it is, and I'll implement the LIST option
> of the DESKARC command.
Hmmm...you might as well have put my name on that message <g>
Looking at it right now, seems like a simple enough structure.
> (Note added later...there really isn't much in the way of usefull
> information here, might want to consider if it's actually worth
> the code? Read on for the gory details).
Basic Structure:
21 bytes of unknown data, followed by a text label at offset
21d/15h, the label is: "Originally installed Archive", followed
by 53 bytes of nulls, a two byte numbering label at offset
102d/66h, followed by 246 bytes of nulls, followed by a 10 byte
string ("<drive>:\Desktop" at offset 358d/166h, followed by 246
nulls, followed by a restart of the above sequence to a total of
four such entries.
The text string at 21d into each section *other* than the first,
is always: "Complete Archive", (There ain't much actual data
here...)
Note: All offsets are zero based.
Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246 nulls.
Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and
you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs.
Note: The "numbering label" mentioned above is not sequential,
the four labels are: (in order of appearance) "0X", "02", "01",
and "03". On my maintenance partition, the order is: "0X", "01",
"03", and "02". My guess is this is more of a type label than a
sequence number, but what it indicates, I have no idea. Haven't
found any clues in my old DD kit, nor inside any executable on
disk, which seems reasonable considering they are compressed...
I'm guessing that the 21 byte section header contains a date and
time, and undoubtedly something else, but what? I'll have a go
at decoding the date/time part tomorro.
I'll also post a structure tomorrow.
LRA
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From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 20:19:01
To: All 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: Partlist
Greetings,
Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran Partlist.
Error statement - could not find file PMGPI.
Sorry folks. It won't work.
There was also statements about not finding ibm2floppy & another file.
I trust that they will be in the CDROM?
Anon,
Linda
... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841!
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From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 20:22:07
To: Andy Roberts 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
AR> Compromise. Look very carefully on the IBM Device Drive Pak site for
AR> drivers BEFORE you buy. Try to find a slightly older printer at an
Good thought.
AR> 1400DPI. The best thing I can say about that printer is that it can be
AR> had for under $200.
Not a great fan of BJ type printers. Maintenance too high.
AR> Just a few days ago I saw an auction for the Epson Stylus Photo 700,
AR> which also has 1400DPI. There were about 40 of them that had been
AR> refurbished. I did find OS/2 drivers for it. A few hours before the
Interesting.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 20:39:25
To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: Re: OS2 Install/uninstall
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
LP>Anon,
LP>Linda
LP>Anon,
LP>Linda
ML> Recently, you have doubled your signature :-). Are there two of
ML> you, these days?
Forgot t typed it in. <G>
Anon,
Linda
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From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 22:34:20
To: All 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: Win programs
Greetings,
Upon seeing briefly the drive tree, it looks like the Win-Os2 looks much
the same as normal Windows. I still don't see how just deleting a
windows program will delete all references to it in the win setup.
Please clarify.
Anon,
Linda
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From: Nick Andre 18-Nov-99 02:40:22
To: All 18-Nov-99 10:05:03
Subj: MP3
Hi!
Does anyone have a simple utility to update the ID3 descriptions in MP3's? Or
an MP3 player that does NOT require the MMOS2 overhead? :)
I don't have Internet access at the moment, but am willing to FREQ...
*Lord British*
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From: Tony Pater 13-Nov-99 23:58:04
To: Roy J. Tellason 18-Nov-99 16:29:26
Subj: FTP & Telenet
-=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Linda Proulx <=-
RJT> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All:
LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If
LP> not what kind of programs would I need?
RJT> Netscape will do ftp, but not as well as several of the ftp packages
RJT> out there. A while earlier this year I had the use of a borrowed
RJT> acccount and found that I had three different ftp packages for OS/2 in
RJT> the files section here. I never did get around to trying them all
RJT> out, though.
Being a klutz I too never got around to using an FTP client until
exasperation with Netscape set in.
Had a look at at several, purchased one (Shareware FTPbrowser),
and went looking for one that used the KISS principle.... settled
on 'NFTP' .... works effortlessly/flawlessly and faster than Netscape
(not to mention those non-recovery feature should the lines break
which happens frequently here).
Dumped FTPbrowser as I never could get it to work, even though
I had registered it.
It's on Hobbes, but if you don't have web access then someone
here I'm sure could get it (or whatever) to Linda.
(We can't do file attachments from this BBS).
Regards
Tony
Sydney, Oz
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From: Tony Pater 14-Nov-99 00:06:14
To: All 18-Nov-99 16:29:26
Subj: Ispell ?
Curious and curiouser ......
A few years back I stumbled across 'Ispell', the
free spell checking programme and after a lot of
reading (I'd never compiled a file before - or since :-)),
I installed it with a view to doing spell checking
..... the reason I plonked on Ispell was that it
is fast (non-GUI) and large (2.4megs dictionary).
It worked fine and I adjusted the 'Termcap.Dat' to
suit this worked fine.
Anyways ..... something has broken it ?
I've done re-installs, using defaults etcetera but
to no avail ... it keeps flashing up an error message
when invoked to the effect that 'a non-recognised
command in 'Termcap.Dat'.
So ...... ever curious, I did an install of OS/2 on
a Uni students new PC and installed 'Ispell' from
my system without any changes to the setup parms,
(Ispell.Cfg/Termcap.Dat/Environment setup in the OS/2
Config.Sys) ... It worked correctly.
Yet on my OS/2 machine ..... it won't ?
I did a search for 'Termcap' across all drives
(using Jonathan DeBoyne Pollard's 'OS2clu' tools),
seeking to find a bad/corrupted/incorrect version of
'Termcap.Dat' in the OS/2 Paths, though as per Ispell
docs, I have it set in the environment.
I've done a compare using 'PM-Difference' of the
two OS/2 'Config.Sys' between my OS/2 setup and
the recently installed OS/2 on the Uni students'
PC ..... and can't spot anything that might be
causing this problem with 'Ispell' on my OS/2 PC.
I'm wondering if it's got anything to do with the
'Country' (ie US/Aus/UK) setups for keyboard/Country ?
Has anyone encountered this before or any suggestions ?
Thanks ...... it's really bugging me.
Tony
Sydney, Oz
Sun 11-14-1999 10:30:17 am
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From: Fred Springfield 18-Nov-99 01:43:05
To: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 17:36:09
Subj: PM Sessions
JA> On 12/11/1999, Fred Springfield said to All about PM Sessions:
JA>
JA> Howdy Fred.
JA>
JA> FS>
JA> FS> Unfortunately, Post Road Mailer did not honor the requests from either
JA> FS> of these methods, so nothing will work for PRM. Also unfortunately,
JA> FS> PMMail is not a candidate for this project, because there is no way to
JA> FS> get it to do anything automatically upon opening, such as send, or
JA> FS> fetch, the mail.
JA>
JA> Sorry to have to unsettle you but my PMMail/2 v2.10.1999 does
JA> EXACTLY that and has done since umm v1.53 I think.
JA>
JA> It's an Account setting not a Program setting ie each account (you
JA> can have multiples in PMM/2 - another reason use it) can be
JA> specified as Fetch on Open, Send After Fetch AND action on a timer
JA> (mine is set to 300 seconds = 5 mins to prevent my dialup account
JA> from throwing me off through inactivity).
JA>
JA> THEN you can have REXX pre- and post- actions (on prog open and
JA> close) plus ... I could consume a heap of bandwith extolling PMM/2.
JA>
JA> I suggest that you check it out again.
Hi John-
Yes, this was called to my attention, and indeed it does have account
settings to do what you say. However, it's a little more complicated
than that.
For, you see, what I want to do is control PMMail with a rexx program,
whereas what you are talking about are scripts to be run from PMMail
while it is the controlling program.
Right now, the only way I see to do be able to open PMMail as a
controlled program, in either the send-on-opening mode, or in the
fetch-on-opening mode is to develop an accounr .ini file for each mode,
and then switch them before opening the program. It would have been a
lot easier if there were command line switches to do the same thing, and
then I could develop an object for each one.
Your point is well noted, though, and I am looking at PMMail further
for this purpose.
Regards,
Fred Springfield
Plymouth, MN
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From: Fred Springfield 18-Nov-99 01:43:05
To: Ron Nicholls 18-Nov-99 17:36:09
Subj: Ftp
Ron Nichols said to all:
RN> Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com'
RN> recently. I get a strangely broken up root list
RN> with no access to any dir even with full
RN> drwx permission.
RN> Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered
RN> if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub .
RN>
RN> Other sites behave normaly, very strange.
RN>
RN> I am using ftp-pm and this started when I went
RN> looking for java 118 having seen fixes for
RN> same but informed by soft ware choice that it
RN> is not released yet.
RN>
Yes, I had that problem, and went to ftp.software.ibm.com in the US
for my updates.
Fred Springfield
Plymouth, MN
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From: Andy Roberts 18-Nov-99 10:45:13
To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 17:36:09
Subj: Partlist
Linda Proulx,
17-Nov-99 20:19:03, Linda Proulx wrote to All
Subject: Partlist
LP> Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran Partlist.
LP> Error statement - could not find file PMGPI.
LP> Sorry folks. It won't work.
You probably forgot OS2CLU02.DLL
15-Nov-99 13:18:16, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Linda Proulx
Subject: Get Going
JdP>>> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST [...]
JdBP> Unpack PARTLIST.EXE and OS2CLU02.DLL with UNZIP (or RAR), placing them
JdBP> somewhere accessible (such as a FAT partition on the hard disc). Boot
JdBP> OS/2 (if you aren't actually doing this from within OS/2). If you are
JdBP> booting from the installation floppies, shell out to the command line
JdBP> with F3 when prompted to do so. Run PARTLIST, redirecting the output
JdBP> to file.
Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts
andy@shentel.net
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From: John Angelico 17-Nov-99 22:30:00
To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 17:36:09
Subj: FTP & Telenet
On 13/11/1999, Linda Proulx said to Albert Sodyl about FTP & Telenet:
LP> AS> Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest version of
LP> AS> ZOC and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better in my opinion.
LP>
LP> Is it Y2Ked? Wonder what the newest version is.
LP>
Linda & Albert & All
AFAIK ZOC is Y2K OK. Current version is 3.13
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au
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From: John Angelico 17-Nov-99 22:36:01
To: Mike Ruskai 18-Nov-99 17:36:09
Subj: FTP & Telenet
On 14/11/1999, MIKE RUSKAI said to LINDA PROULX about FTP & Telenet:
MR>
MR> JM> Should be Y2K compliant. The latest version is 3.12 here. I don't
use
MR> JM> the program and cannot due to the authors "anti-combat" clause.
MR> LP> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^??????
MR> LP> This sounds very interesting.^.^
MR>
MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military
MR> may use his program. Call it misguided pacifism.
MR>
MR> Mike Ruskai
MR> thannymeister@yahoo.com
MR>
Mike, to quote from the non-German Licence.Doc
"Use of the Software for any
military- or arms production related purpose, whether direct or
indirect, is strictly prohibited and will constitute a breach
of the license granted under this Agreement."
I don't think it's as sweeping as you might have thought. Military
*purpose* not *personnel* (although I hate that word "personnel" it makes
the point by a pun)
John Angelico
Co-convener, OS/2 SIG
Melbourne PC User Group
also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au
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From: Herbert Rosenau 17-Nov-99 21:46:21
To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 17:36:09
Subj: Dos C drive
LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable
Why would you do that?
LP> in stead of bootable would OS/2 see it then.
No, the only thing to set a drive tio installable ist to allow the OS/2
install to find the drive where OS/2 has to be installed - not to boot from.
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From: Mike Roark 17-Nov-99 18:12:28
To: Dave Davidson 18-Nov-99 17:36:09
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
Hello Dave!
Sunday November 14 1999 14:52, Dave Davidson wrote to All:
DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available drives,
DD> how
DD> can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE A not ready,
DD> simply
DD> because there isn't a disk in the drive?
Doesn't happen here.. Not sure what the problem is.
DD> when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, neither modem is available
DD> under
DD> OS/2. I _did_ add the line <COM3:115200,3E8> <COM4:115200,2E8> to
DD> the
DD> DEVICE=SIO line in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I
DD> need
DD> to do?
Yes, It should have all the information about the comport. Something like
device=c:\sio\sio.sys (com3:115200,3,3e8,,).
DD> (3) With FP9, my Internal ATAPI ZIP Drive _IS_ recognized and used
DD> by
DD> OS/2
DD> however, the ONLY way I can eject a ZIP disk is to exit OS/2! I
DD> can't
DD> swap disks while in OS/2, even if I'm not using it. Is this
DD> normal or
DD> am I missing something here as well?
Yep you missed the little program called eject. Or when you right click on the
icon for the drive, it should have a listing for eject. Best bet though is to
create an object with the parameters of Eject x: and put it on the desktop.
That's what I did..
Alternately you can open an OS/2 window and type Eject x:..
DD> (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the OS/2
DD> WARP
DD> Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally black background
DD> with
DD> just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., displayed. Is this possible
DD> and if
DD> so, how?
Yep. go into the setup folder and hit Scheme palette. Click on one of the
palettes, and edit to your heart's content. Drag the palette to your desktop,
and it is changed. Or you can just right click on the desktop, and select
properties. Change the background color and exit.
DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... Will
DD> DOS
DD> Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a ScreenSaver active
DD> as
DD> they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few
DD> years
No.. Not to my knowledge. Although there aren't a lot of screensavers for
OS/2. Not like the ones for WinXX. But OS/2 can handle things like this a
whole lot better than WinXX ever could..
DD> As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up & running,
DD> I'm full of questions that I either couldn't find answers to in the
DD> manual or simply didn't understand. I have a feeling this is just the
DD> beginning.<g>
Play with it. Work with it. Unless you do something really silly like start
deleting files, it will run for what seems forever. Mine has only been up for
20 hours right now, but I was playing with linux last night.. ;-) Before that
it was a couple of weeks since I had to re-boot. I keep two BBS lines up, an
outbound manager, Seti@home, a small Peer to peer network, and Warp just keeps
running.
Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 20h 14m 03s 62ms (en).
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From: Peter Knapper 19-Nov-99 10:19:08
To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 21:08:00
Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall
Hi Murray,
ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 11-16-99, Peter Knapper to Linda Proulx)
ML> Hi Peter--
PK>No, you are getting distracted again. Once the OS/2 Desktop is
>visible, then the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture and has
>absolutely NO AFFECT on the Keyboard/Mouse. The "stop working"
>referred to above refers to when the BIOS is in control of the
>Keyboard/Mouse during the initial boot process.
ML> Not entirely true when running in a VDM.
Actually in this case I was working on the basis that it was a PM app
(Solitare I think) that was "locking the system up" and trying to isolate the
VDM/BIOS issues out of the picture. I guess that if there was also a VDM
session running in the background then THAT may have caused the problem to
appear as a PM problem, but I was trying to eliminate the subtleties.....;-)
Cheers.............pk.
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From: Rob Basler 18-Nov-99 11:03:00
To: Mike Ruskai 18-Nov-99 21:08:00
Subj: Software question
MR> LP> Wonder if there was anything that runs on Warp that will either
MR> LP> receive a fax or transfer the call to voice mail. Another potential
MR> LP> option is to answer if a fax & not answer if not a fax.
MR>Warp comes with FaxWorks, which you can tell to answer the phone for a fax.
MR>And finally, the only way to discern a fax call from a voice call is with
MR>multiring, which must be supported by your phone company. I don't know if
MR>FaxWorks can recognize different rings.
It supports multiring. I use this capability on my company's business
line to discern between our 888 number, our fax, and plain number which
all ring on the same phone with different rings. I am running the
registered version however. You need a modem that supports detecting
multiple rings, my Motorola Voice Surfr 56K does this. It also supports
caller-id.
If you don't want multiple rings, Faxworks can do your voice mail and if
it is a fax call, take the fax for you so you end up saving money since
you don't have to pay for voice mail every month.
The program supports your own voicemail system with multiple
mailboxes if that is what you need.
The registered program comes with a bunch of scripts that allow you to
do multiple mailboxes etc. I haven't tried the Lite version.
Rob.
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From: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 12:13:29
To: Stephen Haffly 18-Nov-99 21:08:00
Subj: Re: Get Going
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> Stephen Haffly wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
SH> That's because you've been using Geoworks Ensemble. Both that and OS/2
Trying to remember if I ever asked about the OS/2 settings for GE & if I
did, I do have them saved.
SH> use a Motif style interface, although the one on OS/2 is much more
SH> powerful (right mouse button does so much more). OS/2 felt quite
SH> natural to me too when I first started using it.
SH> I think you will be quite pleased.
So do I.
Anon,
Linda
... When the need arises, any tool closest to you becomes a hammer.
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From: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 12:33:06
To: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 21:08:00
Subj: Re: fdisk /query
Greetings and Salutations,
-=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD <=-
LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size
LP>>
LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511
LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511
LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397
LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023
LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023
LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023
LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259
LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5
LP>> **BIOS: 504MB
MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely
MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024
MR> cylinders.
In what way? I have stuff on all the drives/partitions & use them.
Anon,
Linda
... I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code.
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From: Holger Granholm 17-Nov-99 21:01:00
To: Stewart Honsberger 18-Nov-99 23:18:15
Subj: Get Going
In a message dated 11-16-99, Stewart Honsberger said to Jack Stein:
Hi Stewart,
SH>I've also had Warp4 installed on a 270 meg drive, with space left
SH>over for other applications. Just don't select such frivolous things
SH>as extra backgrounds, the games, etc..
At the moment I have Warp 4 installed on a 170 Mb partition in this BBS
machine without the bonus pack and Voice Type. However I do have NS 2.02
and most of the OS/2 applications installed on the same partition. Still
about 15 Mb free.
The swap file and some aplications under test are installed on other
partitions.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 17-Nov-99 21:01:00
To: Sean Dennis 18-Nov-99 23:18:15
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ
In a message dated 11-12-99, Sean Dennis said to Holger Granholm:
Hi Sean,
SD>It does mention that infamous - parameter that seems to be buried in
SD>the docs. Basically, it shows what I've done on my system and
SD>explains a little from my own experience. A lot of people have
SD>asked me for it... I wrote it simply for people that are setting up
SD>SIO/VModem for the first time and are unsure how to go about it.
SD>I'll post a small message in here with instructions on how to email
SD>FREQ it from my system.
OK, I might freq it although I may not need it anymore. Just received
mtel from Jack Stein and as I see it I won't need VMODEM anymore even
though I do have it in the SIO package.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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To: Sean Dennis 18-Nov-99 23:18:15
Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ
SD> If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... explains how
SD> to set it up. Let me know.
une) Pay da guy da monny
too) Inset da line in ya config
DEVICE=C:\UTILS\SIO\SIO.SYS
Dune!
:-)
/M
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 19:29:00
To: WILL HONEA 18-Nov-99 23:18:15
Subj: Missing Window control..
Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai
on 11-16-99 23:48 about Missing Window control.....
WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to WILL HONEA on 11-16-1999
MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison
MR> with FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field
MR> (my preference), etc.
MR>
MR> Pretty stupid.
WH> I traced the Post Road code and that's exactly what they did. I've
WH> got several years worth of this kind of crap collected in one of my
WH> YGBSM files - amazing what 'professional' programmers will do at
WH> times.
WH> My favorite was a set of utilities by a well known and respected
WH> software house. In C code, they were returning a pointer to an
WH> automatic variable which pointed to a memory location on the stack.
WH> char *routine(struct TIME *local_time)
WH> {
WH> char day_of_week[9];
WH> ( some code )
WH> return day_of_week;
WH> }
WH> When we reported it as a bug, their reply was:
WH> 'This routine is designed to be used only as a calling argument so the
WH> stack is not modified before the value is copied. for example:
WH> printf(file,"%s", routine( local_time)).'
WH> There were at least 30 of these little goodies in their commercial
WH> library and they absolutely refused to correct it - all the while
WH> admitting that the return pointed to out-of-scope non-allocated
WH> memory!
WH> So much for that vendor!
Did it work at all? I can see where it might, as a fluke, with nothing
overwriting the address in question.
All it'd take to get rid of the bug is to add a "static", too. They didn't
even want to make that effort?
Mike Ruskai
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From: George White 17-Nov-99 09:24:04
To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 23:18:15
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hi Murray,
On 14-Nov-99, Murray Lesser wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
<snip>
ML> posts!). IIRC, the prohibition against early AMI (and some other)
ML> BIOSes was never mentioned in the documentation for Warp 3 (and
ML> later). The following is an edited excerpt (via clipboard) from
ML> Appendix G of the OS/2 2.1 "Installation Guide" as it appears on
ML> the 1993 CD-ROM edition of the "OS/2 Online Book Collection":
ML> ..... G.2 AMI BIOS
ML> The later BIOS versions from American Megatrends, Inc. (AMI)
ML> provide a screen ID code, which is visible at the lower-left
ML> corner of the screen during the initial random-access-memory (RAM)
ML> count... On an AMI BIOS or AMI BIOS Plus, the message will be in
ML> the form:
ML> aaaa-bbbb-mmddyy-Kc
ML> On an AMI HI-Flex BIOS, the message will be in the form:
ML> ee-ffff-bbbbbb-gggggggg-mmddyy-hhhhhhhh-c
ML> 1. If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should
ML> be 040990 or later for use with any operating system, including
ML> DOS. This is because of the special timing requirements of IDE
ML> drives, which were accommodated on the date noted. .....
ML> Since I cnnot find this information in the reference material I
ML> have for any later versions of OS/2, I cam make one of two
ML> assumptions: 1).
Exactly the same information as you quoted is in the printed Users
Guide for Warp 3 red, first edition, page 300 et sequa.
ML> The restriction is no longer in existence for later versions of
ML> OS/2; or 2) By the time later versions of OS/2 came out, the
ML> people compiling the documentation had forgotten that there were
ML> any old machines still in use.
It is for Warp 3 red Connect, just hidden away :-(
George
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From: George White 17-Nov-99 09:35:08
To: Zdravko Blagdan 18-Nov-99 23:18:15
Subj: OS/2 3 fixpack
Hi Zdravko,
On 15-Nov-99, Zdravko Blagdan wrote to all:
ZB> Trying to apply y2k fix to OS/2 v 3 (pure out of box) I dowloaded
ZB> a few XR_W042.* text files. This is from XR_W042.RM1
ZB> 3.0.1 DEVICE DRIVERS REMOVED FROM FIXPAK
ZB> Beginning with Warp 4 FixPak XR_M011 and Warp 3 FixPak XR_W041,
<snip>
ZB> It seems like I have to first download some older fixpack, and
ZB> then a newest one. Can that be avoided or which one fixpack is
ZB> 'enough' good for solving Y2K and can be applied to the 'out of
ZB> box' Warp
The _last_ official fixpak for Warp 3 is fixpak 40. All subsequent
ones are for Warp Server, and can only be applied to Warp 3 by
trickery. They are not in any way supported by IBM when applied to
Warp 3 so if there are problems you're on your own.
Warp 3 fixpaks 36 and after are Y2K compliant.
George
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From: Andrew Belov 18-Nov-99 22:57:25
To: All 18-Nov-99 23:18:15
Subj: odin-19991112
Hello All!
Did anyone here get Project Odin working with Warp 3? The November, 12th
snapshot fails to run GUI applications, specifically those that create frame
windows. Simple message boxes are displayed correctly.
The error message is always SYS0182 referencing USER32->PMWINX.1022,
regardless of application type and conversion method used (I tried PE2LX and
PE.EXE). The Win32-OS/2 v 0.04 package worked perfectly.
Bye.
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:03:00
To: LINDA PROULX 19-Nov-99 00:28:10
Subj: Re: Dos C drive
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai
on 11-17-99 12:07 about Re: Dos C drive...
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would
LP> OS/2 see it then.
MR> No.
MR> There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a word
MR> used by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact happening when
LP> Doing this allowed Warp to see the 3rd partition as D where it hadn't
LP> seen it before I did that.
MR> you set a partition as "installable" is nothing. No changes to the
MR> partition are made. Nothing is written to disk. All that takes place
MR> is that FDISK exits with an errorlevel of eight times the drive number,
MR> where A=1, B=2, etc.
LP> Didn't.
MR> This errorlevel is used by the installation program to determine which
MR> drive should be installed to.
LP> Which it did on the original install by making D partition drive C
You're confused about what it is you did. When you set the given partition
installable, you change it from hidden to visible, and all other primary
partitions on the drive to hidden.
You'll never get OS/2 to see all of your drives so long as you use Boot
Manager, because of the reasons that have been explained countless times by
myself and others in this echo.
If you repartitioned to use an extended partition and logical drives, you
won't have any problems with seeing all drives.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:07:00
To: WILL HONEA 19-Nov-99 00:28:10
Subj: fdisk /query
Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai
on 11-18-99 00:43 about fdisk /query...
WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD on 11-17-1999
MR>
MR> of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive
MR> defined. FDISK did it, not me.
MR>
MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely
MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024
MR> cylinders.
WH> You will find that there is a 1 cylinder 'hole' on any drive with only
WH> an extended partition. Essentially, it stems from having the
WH> partition table on the first cylinder and the convention of starting
WH> all partitions (not logical drive, partitions) on a cylinder boundary.
WH> Since the extended partition can't use the first sector of the first
WH> cylinder, it gets pushed to the second cylinder in order to start on
WH> the desired boundary. Waste of space, but that's what happens when
WH> you cobble a kludge on top of a kludge to maintain legacy
WH> compatibility.
I figured something along those lines. It's not noticeable on another
drive with only an extended partition, because there's no translation, and
one cylinder is only 1008 sectors (too small for FDISK to report it as free
space).
Now, if we could kill the convention of assigning letters to primary
partitions first, things could be a lot easier.
Mike Ruskai
thannymeister@yahoo.com
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:12:00
To: LINDA PROULX 19-Nov-99 00:28:10
Subj: Re: file /query
Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai
on 11-17-99 12:14 about Re: file /query...
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=-
MR> What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of
MR> the partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can
MR> be booted from.
LP> I haven't loaded Warp yet. Each hard drive can be booted from if
LP> necessary (in DOS) from their C partitions.
MR> No, that's not the case at all. The **BIOS: 504MB message up there
MR> means that your BIOS is not doing any translation for the second
LP> That is a DOS doublespace drive partiton.
There's no such thing as a DoubleSpace partition. A DoubleSpace "drive" is
just a big file on an actual drive, which a device driver tricks the BIOS
into treating as a volume.
MR> physical drive. There is also no disk manager program present. Because
MR> of that, no partition beyond the first 504MB of the disk can be read by
MR> the BIOS at all. Since the first partition on that drive is 1GB,
MR> neither it nor any after it can be booted at all, without turning on
MR> translation, and repartitioning the drive entirely.
LP> If hard disk 1 died, the C partiton of hard disk 2 is formated with /s
LP> & I can boot from it if I needed to by making hard drive 2 my boot up
LP> drive.
I don't see how, since all partitions on your second drive are beyond 1024
cylinders, which is all the BIOS is capable of booting from.
MR> installing OS/2 will result in only one partition of drive 1 being
MR> visible.
LP> But I haven't installed it yet.
I'm telling you what will happen when you do install it.
MR> type 0x16, which is an invalid type, making the partitions hidden to
MR> OS/2 (and anything else, until the type is changed back to 0x06).
LP> But I made it see the 3 rd partition.
If all of your partitions are primary, booting one of them from Boot
Manager will make all others hidden. Unless you rewrite BM, that's not
going to change.
If you were to just partition the drive as you've been advised by people
much closer to guru status with OS/2 than your friend, you wouldn't be
trading messages about why installing OS/2 is going to give you trouble
because of your drive layout.
Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:19:00
To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 19-Nov-99 00:28:10
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Dave Davidson
on 11-17-99 10:50 about More OS/2 Questions........
DD> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 only
DD> see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted.
JDBP> I have a 8.49GiB (9.1GB) drive and OS/2 sees all of it just fine.
JDBP> The issue with drive sizes is a complex one, and I don't really have
JDBP> the time to type in a full explanation here. But here are two points
JDBP> that should start you going in the right direction:
JDBP> ■ The size limits on bootable partitions are imposed by the antiquated
JDBP> BIOS API for accessing hard discs (which is, of course, the only way to
JDBP> access hard discs before an operating system has booted). The absolute
JDBP> maximum size of disc that is "visible" via the BIOS API is 1024
JDBP> cylinders * 255 tracks * 63 sectors, which is around 7.84GiB (8.42GB).
JDBP> All boot files and partitions for all operating systems, or at least
JDBP> the portions of those operating systems that are read before the
JDBP> operating system's own disc device drivers kick in, must fit within the
JDBP> first 1024 cylinders.
Is there some reason that 0 is an invalid number for heads (AKA
tracks/cylinder) and sectors/track? If there isn't, then that should be
1024*256*64, which comes out to exactly 8GiB (trying them on for size),
provided the drive uses 512-byte sectors (as almost all do these days).
Of course, that doesn't address the issue of drives larger than 8GB.
The BIOS's which are capable of supporting such drives actually support the
entire drive, through a translation scheme I have yet to find any
information about.
The normal scheme is to double the heads and half the cylinders, but that
stops working at 8GB (as it obvious).
The new BIOS's can see the entire drive as one volume. I just don't know
how they do it.
Mike Ruskai
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From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:26:00
To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 19-Nov-99 00:28:10
Subj: Multiple visible primary
Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Will Honea
on 11-17-99 09:32 about Multiple visible primary...
[snip]
JDBP> All three support multiple visible primary partitions without
JDBP> incident, however.
JDBP> As does Windows NT.
JDBP> And as, as I mentioned in a previous message, I suspect also does
JDBP> PC/MS-DOS, given that in its earliest days it *only* supported primary
JDBP> partitions.
JDBP> OS/2 Warp is very much on its own, here. OS2DASD.DMD should be fixed.
I don't think that's where the problem lay, though.
Recall Linda Proulx's posting of her FDISK /QUERY output, from booting with
floppy disks on a system which doesn't have OS/2 installed yet.
All of the primary partitions were seen and assigned drive letters, in
order.
While I can't verify it absolutely without running a test that I'm not keen
to spend the time on, I'd say Boot Manager is the only thing standing in
the way of OS/2 always recognizing primary partitions in that manner.
Specifically, when a partition is chosen to boot from on a given drive, all
other primary partitions are set to invalid types, to hide them.
If OS/2 were installed on the first primary partition, with no Boot
Manager, it'd probably boot and see all drives normally.
The other source of problems would be the installation program, which also
probably sets all other primary partitions hidden.
Mike Ruskai
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From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 21:46:00
To: Lee Aroner 18-Nov-99 21:46:00
Subj: Deskarc List
Lee Aroner wrote to Jonathan De Boyne Pollar on 11-16-1999
LA> Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246
LA> nulls.
LA> Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and
LA> you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs.
Which just happens to be the value of _MAXPATH in the toolkit headers,
for one thing.
In another msg. you refer to the X, 1, 2, 3 sequences. If you make
several archives you will find that the 1 -3 entries appear to be a
used to refer to 3 'buckets' where a new archive replaces the oldest
(3) one and becomes 1 while the remaining 'buckets' (1 and 2) are
incremented. Sort of a first-in/first-out stack of 3. Note: I may be
bass-ackwards on the order. I say 1 is the newest but it may really be
3; I haven't messed with this in a LONG time.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 21:58:01
To: Tony Pater 18-Nov-99 21:58:01
Subj: Ispell ?
Tony Pater wrote to All on 11-14-1999
TP> It worked fine and I adjusted the 'Termcap.Dat' to
TP> suit this worked fine.
TP>
TP> Anyways ..... something has broken it ?
TP>
TP> I've done re-installs, using defaults etcetera but
TP> to no avail ... it keeps flashing up an error message
TP> when invoked to the effect that 'a non-recognised
TP> command in 'Termcap.Dat'.
Are you per chance using FP11? It's possible that the way the code is
written it just plain can't see the directory that it needs at that
line. JDBP early in this batch post a command line string to clear
directory attributes:
attrib /s /a:d -a c:\*
Try that on your drives and see if it revives
the program. Long shot but...
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 22:15:02
To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 22:15:02
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
Murray Lesser wrote to Jack Stein on 11-17-1999
ML> According to the books, it takes more (minimum) RAM to run
ML> Warp 4 than it did to run Warp 3 (but 20 MB should be more than
ML> sufficient) and at least a 80486 chip (which you have), and somewhat
ML> larger boot drive (I have 205 MB, but the network stuff that I use
ML> is in another partition). There are also some add-ons that came
ML> with Warp 4 (such as voice recognition--one of the many options I
ML> never bothered to install) that require a more-powerful CPU chip
ML> than either you or I have. But I can't see why Warp 4 would run any
ML> slower than Warp 3 on your machine if you stick to the same class of
ML> applications. I replaced the preinstalled Win95 with Warp 4
ML> (instead of with Warp 3) on my ThinkPad only because: 1) I had a
ML> DevCon freebie, and 2) there was more device support right off of
ML> the CD-ROM for some of the ThinkPad goodies. Now that I have been
ML> running Warp 4 for a couple of years, I wouldn't go back (because I
ML> am used to it!). For troubleshooting convenience, and because I had
ML> a second Warp 4 CD-ROM, I replaced Warp 3 with Warp 4 in my wife's
ML> "new" machine when I reconfigured it for her set of applications.
ML> But if you are happy with what you have, why switch?
There are a couple of differences in the default processes with Warp 4
- which you have complete control over - that would make a more visible
difference with slower machines. One is the is SSMART or something
like that which is part of the cut down nefinity software that comes
with Warp 4. Warp 4 also runs more LAN processes (many not needed!)
than Warp 3 did, especially if you don't have a LAN configured and use
only TCP/IP for INET access. There are several of these trivialities
that would probably show up pretty plainly on a constrained system. A
careful study of some of the info about config.sys that has been
compiled could allow you to trim the configuration and make a
significant difference.
Will Honea <whonea@codenet.net>
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From: Rolf Behringer 18-Nov-99 19:01:00
To: Rachel Veraa 19-Nov-99 06:08:13
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
Hallo Rachel,
RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames
RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files?
Info-ZIP.
A transfer from Win95 to OS/2 via peer network will fail, because Win95 always
sends long filenames in the 6~1.3 pattern. :-(
bye, Rolf
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From: Herbert Rosenau 18-Nov-99 21:01:06
To: Paul Sanders 19-Nov-99 06:08:13
Subj: Warp3 to Win98 lan
PS> we have just bought a new system, running Win98SE.
PS> In the win95 system we had two 6.5gig hard drives which we have
PS> now installed into the new Win98 system.
PS> The problem now is that my OS/2 system reports that there is no
PS> free space on these two drives (each drive is a single fat32
PS> partition)
FAT32 isn't FAT16. So you have either format the drive with FAT16 or install
one of the FAT32 OS/2 drivers. Or you have to networking to become acces from
another computer to that drive.
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From: Mike Roark 17-Nov-99 20:39:09
To: Murray Lesser 19-Nov-99 06:08:13
Subj: Get Going
Hello Murray!
Saturday November 13 1999 20:08, Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx:
ML> When I finally switched to OS/2 v 2.0 (in March, 1993), I
ML> discovered that the only DOS programs I had that wouldn't run under
ML> OS/2 were the ones that I had written using those "pedal to the metal"
ML> constructs. So, I rewrote those DOS programs to get rid of that
ML> nonsense, and all work fine today under Warp 4 FixPak 5.
ML> I am no longer a hardware guru, but I am certainly better off.
ML> There is a moral in this, somewhere :-).
I wouldn't say that. You know how to get what you need from the hardware. I
don't know about the moral of it either, but I'll bet your blood pressure
dropped quite a bit.. ;-)
Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 1h 20m 41s 812ms (en).
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From: Mike Roark 17-Nov-99 20:45:08
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 06:08:13
Subj: Thank you
Hello Linda!
Tuesday November 16 1999 00:50, Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark:
MR>> The machine you are running Os/2 on will probably handle linux
MR>> quite nicely.
LP> True. But not the way I want to. Will need a PIII for the dream
LP> machine. It only took ten years to get this one.
Heck, at that rate it will probably be a PIIIIIIIIIIIII ;-)) And from what
I've been reading, the AMD Athlon chip is pretty fast too. I finally got away
from the Wintel systems, and have never regretted it.
LP>> And still am looking for a software sound driver. Don't want a
LP>> sound card just want the sounds <G>.
MR>> What type of sound card?
LP> Don't have a sound card. Just want a sound driver like winspeaker to
LP> run sounds out of the computer speaker.
Ahh, Ok. Didn't quite understand that. I don't think I've seem one, but that
isn't to say there isn't one out there.
Have a good day!!
Mike
Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de
This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 1h 20m 41s 812ms (en).
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From: Herbert Rosenau 18-Nov-99 13:04:05
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 06:08:13
Subj: Clunker update
JdBP> "Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has
JdBP> been, and has always
JdBP> had multiple input queues, one per application thread.
Yeah! But it has a *single* System Message Queue. This one is that accepts
events from keyboard and mouse. The multiple application message queues are
the other side.
If you PM application is in thread 1 working on a message received from PM no
other system message can and will be processed until this application thread
returns to PM. Therfore the single system message queue is blocked. No event
can go to any other application or thread from there.
Since WARP4 (WARP 3 Fixpack 10) there will be a timer that wakes up the PM if
- and only if you hit Strg+Esc. Then this timer will check the system message
queue for forthgoing messages. Fi in an given time no message is released the
blocking thread is (temporary) removed from the receiver list and the message
flow goes on.
JdBP> It's the fact that raw input is taken synchronously from the
JdBP> mouse and keyboard into
the single system message queue.
A little bit technique:
At systemstart the PM (first instance of PMSHELL.EXE) ist starting up.
This one will syncronise the keyboard and mouse events into single message
queue.
Then a PM application is started. This application has the flow:
Init PM -> create private message queue -> call PM. The PM will set this
application sleeping until it receives an event for it.
If the PM receives an event foran PM application it will search in its list to
find which application ownes the focus. Then this event is put (from system
message queue) into the applications message queue. After that the PM calls
itself the application to handle that message. Now the application controls
the PM until it returns. After return the PM showns into the system message
queue for the next message it received from keyboard/mouse to call the same or
another application with that message.
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>---->system message queue---<>+<--->application 1 ------------->+
+<--->application 2-------------->+
+<--->application n-------------->+
Until the application returns from that message the PM can't send another from
system message queue.
If an application sends itsel a message to itself or another application it is
done like a fuction call. Therfore the PM can't return until this message is
finally handled.
If an application posts a message to itself or another application the message
is stored into the message queue of the receiving application and the work is
forthcoming on the current message. If the receiver of the posted message is
another application or thread that one can be waked up an run concurrently.
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From: Herbert Rosenau 18-Nov-99 13:21:18
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 06:08:13
Subj: DETACH
JdBP> To be honest, I don't see any reason for keeping this check in
JdBP> PM, and I wish that IBM would remove it. It's a kludge that
JdBP> tries to create, with smoke and mirrors, the effect that there
JdBP> are different "types" of sessions when in fact there aren't.
JdBP> OS/2 Warp would be much more useful *without* this kludge,
JdBP> because programs could then use a combination of PM and
JdBP> text-mode if they wanted to.
They can!
The only thing a programmer has to do is to
- write a multithreaded VIO program
- link with a PM DLL
then if he would any PM ineraction he starts a thread that calls the DLL and
this can interact with PM as it likes. It is a little bit tricky but works
well.
JdBP> If Presentation Manager didn't have this check in it, PMCMD
JdBP> would actually be able to display graphical windows as normal,
JdBP> *as well as* be able to print messages to its standard output
JdBP> and have them displayed on the session's console. There
JdBP> wouldn't be this artificial distinction between "text mode
JdBP> programs" and "graphical programs". There would just be
JdBP> programs, which could choose to use the session's console to
JdBP> display a textual user interface or choose to use the
JdBP> Presentation Manager graphics library to display a graphical
JdBP> windowing user interface, or even choose to do both.
It is a problem of PM (pmshell.exe) to hold full control over screen, mouse,
keyboard not of OS/2.
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From: John Thompson 18-Nov-99 16:18:00
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 06:31:10
Subj: FTP & Telenet
In a message to MIKE RUSKAI, Linda Proulx wrote re: FTP & Telenet
MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military may
MR> use his program. Call it misguided pacifism.
LP> His right. And I have a feeling that this has been dealt with already.
Yep. If he was concerned about loss of revenue from potential
military users he wouldn't have put that restriction in the
license. His choice; his loss.
* KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net
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From: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 09:47:00
To: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 09:47:00
Subj: Small programs
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-15-99, John Angelico to Holger
Granholm: original topic: Warp 3 Install)
HG> JS>gawk2156.exe | 126484| 3/17/95|12:3
HG>
HG> JS>12k is not what I would call a space filler for a hard drive. One
HG> JS>reason it is so small, yet so powerful is it also uses EMX, like all
HG> JS>good UNIX ports.
HG>
HG> If I read the above number correctly it is ca. 123.5 kb, not 12 k.
HG> However, I agree that even 123.5 kb isn't too bad.
HG>
JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was
>that program I wrote way back when...." <g>
I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function" for OS/2
REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file is 619 bytes.
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 22:44:01
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 18-Nov-99 22:44:01
Subj: Multiple visible primary
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-17-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to
Murray Lesser)
Hi Jonathan--
Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
JP>As you will no doubt remember, Murray, back in the mists of time,
>MS/PC-DOS didn't actually support extended partitions originally.
>There was no such thing as primary partitions. They were just
>"partitions", and there was a maximum of four of them.
> And they could only hold up to 32MeB each. So if one was rich
>enough to have a hard disc bigger than 32MeB, one had to have a
>second, third, or even a fourth "visible" partition. The idea of
>having an "extended partition", type 05, came along when this scheme
>proved to be inadequate.
I don't really remember when extended partitions were added to
MS/PC-DOS, perhaps because I skipped the 80286 generation, moving from a
PC/XT to an 80386-powered PS/2 model 80. But, IIRC, there weren't any
hard drives for desktop machines having more than 32 MB capacity before
the PS/2 came along.
JP>The whole notion of extended partitions is an ugly kludge, and also
>somewhat wasteful of disc space since because of cylinder alignment
>requirements the secondary MBRs that form the linked list of
>partition "subtables" waste a whole track each...
With today's large-capacity cheap hard drives, losing a track's
capacity for each extended partition is most certainly not an important
criterion. With the old, expensive, low-capacity drives, losing a track
didn't lose much capacity! That "wasted space" argument is the same
meaningless red herring as is the "cluster size" argument when
discussing the choice between FAT and HPFS formats!
JP> ... It's certainly *not* how one would design a hard disc
>partitioning scheme if one were designing it from scratch (rather
>than trying to retrofit something decent on top of the old "four
>partitions" scheme and retain backwards compatibility).
JP>Given this, I suspect that the concept of having FOUR
>*visible* (/i.e./ type 0X) primary partitions is a very old one in
>the DOS world. It would certainly explain why almost all PC
>operating systems, apart from OS/2, support it.
I really wouldn't know from direct experience, never having owned a
PC-type machine that had more than one primary partition on its hard
drive(s). My PS/2 had one primary partition and three "logical drives"
in a secondary partition, for ease in system maintenance. My current
ThinkPad 365XD has a total of seven "drives" on one physical drive, only
one of which is a primary partition, again for ease in system
maintenance.
But, I spent several years in one of my prior conditions of
servitude as a system architect for a large computer company that was/is
a firm believer in backwards compatibility (having learned it the hard
way a couple of times when "the dogs wouldn't eat" new products that
were were much better designs than, but breaks with, their
predecessors). So I am still a follower of the first law of systems
architecture, as written by Euripides in the 5th century BCE: "The gods
visit the sins of the fathers upon the children." Fortunately, unlike
some of those other PC operating systems, OS/2 (Warp 4) still contains
enough backwards compatibility to allow me to be writing this post using
my favorite vintage-1988 DOS text editor :-).
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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From: Holger Granholm 18-Nov-99 18:16:00
To: Mike Ruskai 19-Nov-99 07:15:08
Subj: Re: file /query
In a message dated 11-16-99, Mike Ruskai said to Linda Proulx:
MR>Which means that you once again ignored the competent advice given
MR>to you in this echo, and have places yourself in a position where
MR>installing OS/2 will result in only one partition of drive 1 being
MR>visible.
As I said before, totally wasted time :-(
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Holger Granholm 18-Nov-99 18:16:00
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 07:15:08
Subj: Re: Margin example
In a message dated 11-16-99, Linda Proulx said to Holger Granholm:
Hello Linda,
HG> As you can see, I have it wrapping at 72 columns.
HG> I have the same setting in my editor, QEdit for OS/2 and TSE for DOS.
LP>To be honest I don't know who's example I sent about the wrapping.
LP>This is my line wrap:
LP>------------------------------------------------------------------------
LP>------------------------------------------------------------------------
LP>--
Seems OK to me. With the addition of "LP>" they come out as 75
characters which means 72+3=75. Still well inside 79 characters and
allowing for another set of "HG>" before the 80 character limit.
Actually I've found that 79 is the maximum in most cases when the screen
width is 80 characters.
Have a nice day,
Holger
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From: Ron Nicholls 19-Nov-99 00:00:00
To: All 19-Nov-99 00:00:00
Subj: Ftp
Using FTP-PM
Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com'
recently. I get a strangely broken up root list
with no access to any dir even with full
drwx permission.
Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered
if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub .
Other sites behave normaly, very strange.
This started when I went looking for java 118
having seen fixes for same but informed by
soft ware choice that it is not released yet.
-
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Regards RonN
-
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From: Ron Nicholls 19-Nov-99 00:00:01
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 00:00:01
Subj: Re: Get Going
LP> AR> easier to learn OS/2 if you don't have to UNlearn M$ first.
LP>
LP> Haven't learned it yet. Honest. And Warp feels very natural to
LP> me. Just a few mouse habits from 3.1 to unlearn, but no problem with
LP> it.
Whoa ! That brings back memories. The two button drive fascinated me
for some time.
In fact recently I reinstalled DOS/WIN3 ( for a laugh - cries of
"UNKIND" ) and kept hitting the right mouse button all the time. :-)
Could NOT unlearn OS2
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-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 22:12:02
To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 22:12:02
Subj: Tutorial
PK> For Warp 4, start at WarpCentre ==> Information ==> Tutorial.
PK> Also try OS/2 System ==> Warpcentre ==> Information ==>Tutorial,
PK> and OS/2 System ==> Welcome
PK>
Seems I failed to include it in the last install.
-
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Regards RonN
-
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From: Ron Nicholls 19-Nov-99 00:00:03
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 00:00:03
Subj: Re: OS2 Install/uninstal
LP> Relax. It's the clunker's bios. May be getting the loan of a 486
LP> board & will transfer everything over & check the difference.
If by transfer, you mean switching the hard drive over to the new
board, people have done this successfully, but it can cause odd
problems.
It is best to re-install from scratch on a new motherboard.
-
-
Regards RonN
-
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From: Stewart Buckingham 19-Nov-99 07:04:19
To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 09:27:16
Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM
Hi Jonathan,
>>> Could the above also be used to make PCBoard listings?
>>> From what ? From the 00GLOBAL.TXT file ? The answer is "yes" as
>>> long as PC-Board understands and processes the FILES.BBS format.
>> That's the problem, it doesn't.
> What does it use, then ?
>( I sense an impending challenge to the inhabitants of the OS2REXX echo. (-:
Hehe. Right, Holger could use REXX or he could use those unix file utils to
convert it to PCBOARD format. I think I used both when I converted my PCBOARD
format to FILES.BBS, although it might be a bit more tricky going the other
way to wrap the description and inserting a "|" in the appropriate spot on
each line of the wrapped description. Something in REXX would certainly be a
bonus for all OS/2 PCBOARD sysops, not just Holger.
Stu/2
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From: Leonard Erickson 18-Nov-99 19:18:00
To: Wes Newell 19-Nov-99 11:34:21
Subj: Processors, experience, etc
-=> Quoting Wes Newell to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=-
LE> A CSU/DSU isn't a modem. It's *digital*
LE> interface, not an analog one.
LE> These are old and fairly obsolete. They're intended for leased lines
LE> or possibly the old "switched 56k" service.
RCB> Neat. Others options?
WN> Missed the original, but CSU/DSU's are far from obsolete. CSU is a
WN> Channel Service Unit & DSU is a Data Service Unit. They can be just a
WN> CSU, just a DSU, or a combo, which are usually refered to as add/drop
WN> units. Most are used with a T1 line (24 64K channels). The CSU is
WN> general used in voice applications while the DSU is used for data. The
WN> csu/dsu (add/drops) is used when the 24 channels are split between
WN> voice and data.
The ones I've got are obsolete, not CSU/DSUs in general.
As I noted, mine only run up to 56k on a 4 wire leased line.
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From: Leonard Erickson 18-Nov-99 20:25:02
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 11:34:21
Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet
-=> Quoting Linda Proulx to David Randall <=-
LP> Greetings and Salutations,
LP> -=> David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx <=-
DR> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can choose
DR> to use either or both.
LP> But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS?
Quite easily. You just need a FOSSIL (for DOS systems) or SIO (for OS/2
systems. Install FD and run it with the /TERM command line option. Or
you can configure FD to default to terminal mode.
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From: Leonard Erickson 18-Nov-99 21:06:03
To: Rachel Veraa 19-Nov-99 11:34:21
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
-=> Quoting Rachel Veraa to All <=-
RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames
RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files?
Have you considered using PKZIP to archive the files, and then
unarchive them on the destination system? That should preserve the long
file names.
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From: Leonard Erickson 18-Nov-99 21:13:03
To: Dave Davidson 19-Nov-99 11:34:21
Subj: More OS/2 Questions.....
-=> Quoting Dave Davidson to All <=-
DD> (3) With FP9, my Internal ATAPI ZIP Drive _IS_ recognized and used by
DD> OS/2 however, the ONLY way I can eject a ZIP disk is to exit OS/2!
DD> I can't swap disks while in OS/2, even if I'm not using it. Is
DD> this normal or am I missing something here as well?
Open an OS/2 window and type EJECT <drive letter>.
The OS2 drivers *deliberately* disable the eject button on the ZIP
drive. You have to give a *software* EJECT command. The one from the
OS/2 commandline should always work. Clicking the drive icon and
selecting eject from the menu may or may not work (It seems to be
version dependent).
To make things even sillier, some of the IOMEGA utilities can mess this
up.
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From: Coridon Henshaw 18-Nov-99 16:34:26
To: Andy Roberts 19-Nov-99 11:34:21
Subj: Get Going
On Tuesday November 16 1999 at 18:52, Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx:
AR> I also have a HP DeskJet 340, which is color but only 300DPI, which
AR> makes photos look like newspaper print. I don't use this at all
AR> anymore. The little liquid ink cartridge (typical size of many new
AR> printers) will only do about 200 pages maximum if used very quickly.
AR> If it is only used once in a couple of weeks, then it will dry out or
AR> clog up long before you get 50 pages out of it. That works out to
AR> about $1 per page.
For comparison, the toner cartridge in a Xerox DocuPrint P8e will print 5,000
pages and costs about $200 (CDN) to replace. This works out to 4 cents (CDN)
a page.
If you can afford the initial capital for a laser printer, don't waste money
on an inkjet.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 08:47:20
To: Holger Granholm 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: An Inquiring Mind
Hello Holger,
13 Nov 99 20:47, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
HG> Yes I know. I have tried to find some text on the use of it in ZOC but
HG> the only thing I found was optional parameter /DEV:TELNET.
That's the command line parameter that tells ZOC that a telnet session is
requested.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... "3 Hail Marys beats 2 of a kind." -- Hawkeye to Mulcahy
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 08:51:04
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hello Linda,
13 Nov 99 22:38, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET>> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd
ET>> edition) publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ISBN 0-672-30545-3
LP> See Page 46.
I see.
The alinea titled "ROM BIOS Problems" says "in general" (2nd line), that means
you have to try to know if it runs (or at least boots) OS/2, just like you
tried and found your system OK with OS/2. :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... Tagline sponsored by Ginger's Port Limited 614-523-2307
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 08:56:15
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: File Systems
Hello Linda,
13 Nov 99 23:00, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET>> paid) internet account. These days, you can get a free internet
ET>> account (commercials are paying your account).
LP> And how to get that in Winnipeg?
Obviously, you have to check what's offered in your neighboorhoud (or
reachable from your area), I can't do that for you. Free internet account with
toll-free lines to that account would ofcourse be the first choice, 2nd choice
would be a free account with telephone lines to that account with the
telephone lines not toll-free.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... "Today's Monday. What are you going to do?" "Sleep till Tuesday."
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:19:20
To: James Mckenzie 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hello James,
14 Nov 99 08:09, James Mckenzie wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
....snipped....
JM> It had to do with the memory address bus configuration. You could
JM> install more memory, OS/2 (and amazingly Windows) could not "see" all
JM> of it.
I see.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... The USA was founded by armed sepratist religious "cults!"
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:21:02
To: Sean Dennis 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: Mail reader
Hello Sean,
14 Nov 99 11:45, Sean Dennis wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
SD> Let's not forget FleetStreet, which is now open source. I'm running
Fleetstreet is a QWK-message reader/editor?
Golded is now open source too. :)
Sqed/2 is a GUI (PM-based) message reader/editor. I've used Sqed for a little
while, then tried Golded and found Golded more usefull for me. :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... I've added WIN*.* to my Virus Scanning Software's list.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:25:14
To: Holger Granholm 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: An Inquiring Mind
Hello Holger,
14 Nov 99 16:53, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET>> what about its file_id.diz file (it mentions telnet on the 1st
ET>> line):
HG> Of course I know that!!! But I don't call a file_id.diz for doc's!
I don't discount the little info in a file_id.diz file which is the first I
read in a new archive if an archive comes with one. You didn't say you wanted
to look in real DOC files. But you can look in there yourself.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... It's a fact...the programmers who made Windows are INSANE!
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:34:00
To: Holger Granholm 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hello Holger,
14 Nov 99 16:53, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET>> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have
ET>> a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell
ET>> where I can find it in this book if it's in there.
ET>> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2
ET>> Warp 3" ..........
HG> Look in the Index for "AMI BIOS", it's there in the Warp 3 book.
on page 353 I found "AMI BIOS" in the index, it says page 198, so I look at
page 198 and read:
-------- begin quote --------------
Mouse and Keyboard Stop Working
If you have AMI BIOS, you might have an old version. Contact your computer
manufacturer for an updated BIOS level.
-------- end quote ----------------
Note the absence of a year, it just says "if you have an old version".
In the "Summary of Contents" I read on page xi:
Chapter 20. Special Hardware Considerations . . . . . . . . 299
........
Using Phoenix, AMI, or Micronics BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . 300
Phoenix BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300
AMI BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300
...etc...
on page 300 from "AMI BIOS" reading.....aha....the 1st alinea under "General
Rules" on page 301:
--------- begin quote ----------
If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should be 040990 or
later for use with any operating system, including DOS. Special timing
requirements of IDE drives were accommodated on the date noted.
--------- end quote ------------
HG> I won't give the page numbers because mine is printed in Denmark
HG> (in english) and who knows where your book is printed.
The back of my copy of the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp" (about Warp 3 ofcourse)
says "Printed in Denmark by Scanprint as, Viby J." so the page numbers in your
copy should be the same as in my copy.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... If it ain't broke, don't FixPak it.
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:58:29
To: Murray Lesser 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: AMI BIOS date
Hello Murray,
14 Nov 99 10:50, Murray Lesser wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ML> I have a suspicion that Linda has the original edition of "OS/2
ML> Unleashed" rather than the later "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" (especially
ML> since she has never given the latter book title in any of her posts!).
This thread must have struck some nerves. ;-))
ML> 1. If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should
....snipped.....
I found it in the Warp 3 user's guide.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
... New from Microsoft....EDLIN for Windows!!!
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 10:03:23
To: Murray Lesser 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: Get an OS/2 guru
Hello Murray,
14 Nov 99 15:17, Murray Lesser wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ML> I assume that he agrees with me that it is very poor practice to play
ML> this game.
I don't see advantages to this setup myself.
ML> According to a post to Linda from John Thompson, recent versions of
ML> Windows can also see all primary partitions. (He doesn't know
ML> whether this is "a good thing," either.)
I don't know too, but my thought is that general rules which everyone has
always used shouldn't be abanboned because most will still these rules and
thus it leads to utterly confusion.
ML> But there goes Microsoft again, making up its own rules as it goes
ML> along :-).
Not for the first time.
ML> On more mature thought, I believe that the above statement is
ML> incorrect. As noted in other posts (not from me), there are several
ML> other exceptions to the "see all primary partitions" assertion.
I never tried it.
ET>> DOS and any winxx version don't recognize and so can't use HPFS
>> partitions, but not because they can't see them. :)
ML> They don't assign drive letters to them, either! Can you tell me the
ML> practical difference between "don't recognize" and "can't see?"
well, on second thought, not really.
ML> FAT is best suited for disk partitions that are 80 MB or less in size
ML> _or_ that have a limited number of files installed. Usually, 256
ML> files is a good target, with up to 500 acceptable. [emphasis added]
I didn't know that, I thought it was per directory.
ML> To quote from another message from you to me in the same packet:
ET>> Please at least _read_ the messages you are replying to. :)
Well, we can't read each other's minds, so we don't know what others are
thinking. We can only read what was written. I will try better next time. :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 10:14:24
To: Fred Springfield 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: PM Sessions
Hello Fred,
16 Nov 99 03:29, Fred Springfield wrote to Eddy Thilleman:
ET>> PMMail settings under the REXX tab "Program Open Exit" and
ET>> "Program Close Exit";
I tried to use this, but it doesn't work right now. Maybe I made a mistake
(?), I'll look into this later.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 10:23:14
To: Rachel Veraa 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows?
Hello Rachel,
09 Nov 99 21:27, Rachel Veraa wrote to All:
RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames
RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files?
This is an OS/2 FAT32 driver:
www.os2ss.com\information\kelder\os2fat32.zip
it looks like this driver also supports vfat. Be sure to read the accompanying
text files.
I don't use it because I don't have FAT32 partitions.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 12:01:09
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall
Hello Linda,
14 Nov 99 13:27, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
LP> Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the
LP> manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard
LP> stop working needs an updated bios.
LP> How to uninstall now?
you can remove the OS/2 boot partitions and any additional HPFS partition (if
any). Don't forget to delete the OS/2 swap file on the FAT partition you said
you placed it there.
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 12:21:03
To: Ron Nicholls 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: Missing Window control..
Hello Ron,
14 Nov 99 18:22, Ron Nicholls wrote to George White:
GW>> The latest versions of Henk Kelders WPTOOLS package CHECKINI will
GW>> force a restart of the WPS at the end of a run with correction
GW>> enabled
RN> He's no longer at hobbes.
RN> Do you have an address.
http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 12:40:11
To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: SETUP
Hello Linda,
13 Nov 99 22:11, Linda Proulx wrote to All:
LP> Have an install question. (I know your thinking here we go again <G>)
LP> I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other stuff
You can place the swap file in any path you want:
SWAPPATH=path minfree initial
be sure to delete the previous swap file after rebooting after you changed the
swappath statement with a new path
the initial number is the initial size of the swap file on boottime
the swap file can grow, but when the free disk space on the partition with the
swap file gets less then the minfree number (in kilobytes) the system warns
you
look in the online command reference, it contains explanation for swappath and
other commands and statements
LP> on another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work around to
LP> do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to wait until
LP> after I do all the jury rig? Would love to do it during the original
LP> install & didn't see anything on the advance install.
IIRC: Selective Install (this setup dialog for the hardware and the software
is used during the first installation), push the "Next" button until you come
on the page with the optional components to install (like fonts, optional
system utilities, bonuspak, etc - this page is larger than the previous ones)
at the top of this page the main menu line reads "Options", "Software
Configuration", "Help". Under "Software Configuration", choose "Change OS/2
parameters" and if I remember correctly, the page you get at that point is the
page where you can fill in such things (I can't do that myself because the
"Change OS/2 parameters" option is greyed out here), what's put in here will
be placed in the config.sys. If I want to change something in config.sys, I
load config.sys in a text editor and I do the change myself. :)
Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl
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From: Bat Lang 19-Nov-99 02:28:23
To: Tony Pater 19-Nov-99 14:48:11
Subj: Ispell ?
-=> Quoting Tony Pater to All, [14 Nov 99 00:06:28] <=-
TP> I've done re-installs, using defaults etcetera but
TP> to no avail ... it keeps flashing up an error message
TP> when invoked to the effect that 'a non-recognised
TP> command in 'Termcap.Dat'.
[... text deleted for brevity ...]
TP> Has anyone encountered this before or any suggestions ?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi, Tony!
I really don't have any suggestions, but I use ISpell in Warp 4 in
almost identical fashion to JSpell in DOS, with a slight difference due
to the GNU parentage.
CFSys envars:
SET ISPELL=D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\
SET TERMCAP=D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\
Implementation: (via the batch file calling my editor--Boxer/2).
---------------< cut here >-
/* BOX.CMD */
/* Rexx Script to launch Boxer then ISpell */
/* Enter in config.sys: SET ISPELL=D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\ */
/* Install Ispell in the above path */
/* For a different editor, replace the first filespec/arguments */
/* with that of your editor. */
/* You must reboot for the config.sys addition to be in effect, */
/* Place BOX.CMD in a dir in your path */
/* Config your e-mail client to use Editor: BOX.CMD */
/* PRIVDICT (your Private Dictionary) will be created in %ISPELL% */
/* Pressing 'I' will Insert (append) any 'questioned' words to PRIVDICT */
Parse arg filename
'd:\box2\b2.exe -i -a10 -w72 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 '||filename <<====<<< 1
'%ISPELL%\Ispell.exe -p %ISPELL%\privdict '||filename <<====<<< 2
exit
---------------< cut here >-
My email client is MR2 ICE. As soon as I hit R)eply, the email is loaded
into my editor by the line marked 1 above (those arrows are only there
as pointers), after composing my reply in Boxer, as soon as I save and
exit Boxer, line 2 executes Ispell against my reply. When thru spell
checking, I am returned to my email client, ready to S)end.
I suggest that you may have replaced an earlier TERMCAP.DAT with a newer
one, which has an unrecognized (by Ispell) term therein. On my system, I
have two versions of that file. The earlier one is in my %ISPELL% path,
whilst a later one is in my EMX area. The earlier one is:
4955 07/13/92 18:14:38 ---- TERMCAP DAT D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\
If you will give me your email address, I'll file atch a cy of this
earlier TERMCAP.DAT.
NOTE: My ISPELL.EXE filedate is 01/31/94, which predates the later
TERMCAP.DAT in EMX by about a year.
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From: Murray Lesser 19-Nov-99 08:55:00
To: Will Honea 19-Nov-99 08:55:00
Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead.
(Excerpts from a message dated 11-18-99, Will Honea to Murray Lesser)
Hi Will--
WH>There are a couple of differences in the default processes with Warp
>4 - which you have complete control over - that would make a more
>visible difference with slower machines. One is the is SSMART or
>something like that which is part of the cut down nefinity software
>that comes with Warp 4. Warp 4 also runs more LAN processes (many
>not needed!) than Warp 3 did, especially if you don't have a LAN
>configured and use only TCP/IP for INET access. There are several of
>these trivialities that would probably show up pretty plainly on a
>constrained system. A careful study of some of the info about
>config.sys that has been compiled could allow you to trim the
>configuration and make a significant difference.
Thanks. But neither machine is connected to a LAN (sneaker-net
doesn't count!), and only I have dial-up modem connection. So I have
removed much of the LAN-only (and VDM tcp/ip) material from both
systems, which is why I can backup each of the two boot drives to a 100
MB Iomega Zip diskette. I figured out much of this for myself, and got
the rest from Dennis (and others) on this echo.
Anyway, thanks for reminding me that, in my post to Jack, I again
fell into the common trap of generalizing on my experience with my
specific configurations :-(.
Regards,
--Murray
<Team PL/I>
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