General OS/2 Discussion (Fidonet) Saturday, 13-Nov-1999 to Friday, 19-Nov-1999 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 11-Nov-99 23:21:00 To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: Get Going MR> Be sure to read Murray Lesser's message to you on this topic. He brings up > several valid points. MR> Your guru has made some fundamental errors, which should be a warning flag. This guy sounds like the dork that must have rigged up the most ridiculous, hacked up mess of a Win 3.x network installation I have ever seen (couple of years ago)...some dingleberry had used the ability to move most of the Win files off to a network drive, using some really bizarre directory scheme to get around the common files problem, leaving only the basic startup stuff on the mostly empty user's drives. Took me most of a day to figure out what he had done and why it stopped working, and about an hour and a half to completely disable the mess. The silly schemes some win weenies will come up with... LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: Disregard anything I said about last night. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 11-Nov-99 09:14:11 To: Peter Knapper 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: dos games under Warp 4 Hello Peter, 09 Nov 99 22:37, Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx: PK> Actually its even more intelligent than that, if the memory being PK> swapped out is part of an EXE file that never actually changes while PK> it is in memory, it doesn't really swap it out, it marks the PAGE as PK> being swapped and then continues, but when it needs that PAGE in PK> again, it just loads it directly from the image it stored in the SWAP PK> file that it wrote when the application was initially loaded! So you say that it loads pages from the swap file wich aren't being swapped out before?? OS/2 v2.x does swap pages from an executable (.EXE-, DLL-files) file out to the swap file and reloads them from the swap page. I don't remember how OS/2 Warp 3 does it. IIRC, OS/2 (at least Warp 4) reloads pages from an executable file (such as .EXE-, .DLL-files) from that executable file where it is loaded from again (and not from the swap file) when it's needed again. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Chernobyl used Windows NT, shouldn't you? --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 11-Nov-99 09:25:11 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: dos games under Warp 4 Hello Linda, 09 Nov 99 22:37, Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx: PK> Actually its even more intelligent than that, if the memory being PK> swapped out is part of an EXE file that never actually changes while PK> it is in memory, it doesn't really swap it out, it marks the PAGE as PK> being swapped and then continues, but when it needs that PAGE in PK> again, it just loads it directly from the image it stored in the SWAP PK> file that it wrote when the application was initially loaded! IIRC, OS/2 (at least Warp 4) reloads pages from an executable file (such as .EXE-, .DLL-files) from that executable file where it is loaded from again (and not from the swap file) when it's needed again. This is the reason why executable files (.EXE-, .DLL-files) which are in use are locked by OS/2: to make *sure* that file can't be changed while it is running, the same is true for those memory pages: they are marked as executable code and they are write protected. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... A social life? What board do I download THAT from? --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 11-Nov-99 09:45:10 To: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: An Inquiring Mind Hello Holger, 08 Nov 99 20:38, Holger Granholm wrote to Herbert Bushong: HG> I don't doubt that Telix works under OS/2 but I wanted an OS/2 HG> terminal program. That's why I tested and then registered ZOC. ZOC doesn't need Vmodem for telnetting as client because ZOC has its own built-in telnet client. If you need a telnet server, I don't know about ZOC. Vmodem is a telnet client and a telnet server (it works both ways). Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... OS/2 VirusScan -- "Windows found: Remove it? [Y,n]" --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 11-Nov-99 10:52:17 To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: Win9XX Question Hello Mike, 09 Nov 99 17:32, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX: MR> So, to install Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need to give up DOS, since MR> it'll overwrite it when installing. Have you never heard of different boot partitions?? MR> The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like MR> System Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files of MR> the operating systems it supports. It allows you to install any MR> number of OS's on the same partition, and choose which to boot at MR> startup. So System Commander does something like OS/2 Warp 4 does with dual boot when a DOS version and OS/2 Warp 4 are both installed on the same primary C: FAT-partition? Can't System Commander use different boot partitions (or you didn't mention that)? IMHO, OS/2 should be installed only on a HPFS partition. Leave FAT partitions to real plain DOS. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Windows: Try it, you'll like it! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 07:46:26 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: dos games under Warp 4 Hello Linda, To load your memory further ;-)) and I hadn't thought of this before: 06 Nov 99 12:31, Linda Proulx wrote to Peter Knapper: LP> I guess what I want to do is maximise the 32 Mb of memory I have. OS/2 is perfect for this. :) You can have multiple VDM's and/or multiple VMB's running at the same time under OS/2 (both VDM's and VMB's are DOS sessions). VDM = Virtual DOS Machine : this is OS/2's own DOS support VMB = Virtual Machine Boot: to run any plain DOS version under OS/2 (for example PC-DOS, MS-DOS, DR-DOS/Novell DOS/Caldera DOS) Both VDM's and VMB's can be windowed or full-screen. LP> I use to run DV & I would load some program specific drivers for that LP> session if they weren't needed in the general boot up. That way I LP> could run more DV windows. I guess that's what I'm trying to do here. Under OS/2, each DOS session has its own memory and each DOS session is not taking away memory from other DOS sessions. Each DOS session can have its own set of DOS drivers loaded (DOS_DEVICE in the DOS settings, such drivers are only loaded when that DOS session is running). No loaded driver does take memory away from other DOS sessions. LP> In order to have more virtual sessions available to me generally I LP> don't want to take away anything from the original OS startup that may LP> lose me 1 or 2 available sessions later that a specific need driver LP> would take away from my total available memory. The last sentence makes no sense to me. :) The only answer is that this doesn't happen under OS/2. OS/2 doesn't have these silly limitations. :) You need to do away with that DOS-thinking. :-) If plain DOS is like transport by hand without basket, without equipment and without vehicles, OS/2 is a full-sized truck with air-conditioning and a very comfortable drivers seat, and with all the equipment to automatically load and unload that truck. :-)) In other words: DOS is very limited and DOS can't get far and DOS can do just one thing at a time (with TSR's DOS can do 1 and 1/10 thing at a time), while with OS/2 all you ever want to do is possible (and automated and at the same time if you desire). BTW, that rings a bell: if operating systems were like transport systems, DOS would be transport by hand without basket, without equipment and without vehicles Desqview would be a cart pulled by you walking forwards win3.x would be a cart pulled by you walking backwards win32 would be a tram pulled by a horse with the horse walking backwards win9x would be a wagon pulled by a horse with the horse walking backwards win nt would be a truck pulled by a horse with the horse walking backwards OS/2 would be a full-sized truck with air-conditioning and a very comfortable drivers seat, and with all the equipment to automatically load and unload that truck Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... WindowError:016 Door locked. Try control-alt-delete --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 11-Nov-99 21:01:00 To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: Re: Manual? In a message dated 11-09-99, Mike Ruskai said to Holger Granholm: Hi Mike, LP>So do I, but the OS/2 one ptreety bare. HG> Sorry Linda, I don't understand the above. HG> Do you? MR>An odd typo. The first t should be adjacent to the second one, and MR>one e removed making it: MR>"pretty bare" OK, thanks for the explanation. I thought that Linda would have explained it herself. Maybe she didn't understand it herself ;-) MR>In other words, she's saying that the OS/2 manual is sparse on MR>information. MR>I'd agree with Warp 4, but the Warp 3 manual is fairly thick. Yeah, it is the Warp 3 manual she's got. MR>Though it's still no match for what OS/2 2.1 came with. I actually MR>read that sucker before installing. So did I and I also still have it. Who'd install v2.1 today . Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * Get OS/2 - the best Windows tip around! --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 11-Nov-99 21:01:00 To: John Thompson 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: PM Sessions In a message dated 11-09-99, John Thompson said to Mike Ruskai: FS> How can I start a PM type of program so that it is minimized? MR> The short answer is that you can't. JT>Well, you can "trick" the system into allowing you to set the JT>"Start minimized" button on a PM executable. All you have to do JT>is mis-spell the executable name in the "path and filename" JT>section of the settings. While the name is mis-spelled, go to JT>the "Session" page and you will find the "Start minimized" button JT>is now selectable. Select it, go back to the "Program" page and JT>correct the spelling on the executable name. If you go nback to JT>the "session" page, you will see that the "Start minimized" JT>section is once again greyed out, but that "Start minimized" is JT>still selected. If the PM exectuable honors the "Start JT>minimized" request, it will start minimized. But not all PM JT>executable honor this. Neat trick! Thanks John. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * Ultimate memory manager: Windows 95. It manages to use it all. --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 12-Nov-99 10:22:05 To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers Greetings and Salutations, -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=- WH> Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 11-10-1999 WH> As I said, you won't know for sure until you try it! The first True. Will do the main one first. Than will try out the other. WH> command line'. If it gets that far, it will probably install. As for WH> the CDROM, Warp and Warp Connect come with a remote install program WH> which will build boot diskettes that bring up a mini-lan session that Nice to know. WH> allows you to install over a LAN connection - and you obviously have a WH> NIC in the clunker. NIC? Never heard that before. Now be nice the the poor thing. It's done good service for many years. Unfortunately, technology has passed it by. WH> know of that was written in stone so invest 15 minutes and see what WH> does or does not work in your machine. I thought I would get this out Will do. WH> Friday but the stuff hit the fan at work today and I doubt I'll get to WH> DHL before Monday. That's OK. Understand. Sorry about work. Y2K stuff? Anon, Linda ... OS/2 VirusScan: WINDOWS detected. Delete? (Y/Y) --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 12-Nov-99 10:52:06 To: All 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: Note about messages Greetings and Salutations, Thought let folk know that some messages get very badly wrapped when opened. And get very difficult to read. Could folk perhaps check their right margin settings? Maybe it's the email thing but I noticed that more folk have their right margins set smaller than before. Anon, Linda ... OS/2 VirusScan: WINDOWS detected. Delete? (Y/Y) --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 12-Nov-99 10:52:25 To: All 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: Margin example Greetings, Thought would send an example for my previous post. > And this line means - > 1. The SWAP file will be SWAPPER.DAT (the standard name for the file) and it > 2. Allow the SWAP file to grow to whatever size it needs until there is NO LE > 3. At system boot up, DELETE ANY EXISTING SWAPPER.DAT and allocate an initial > > I saw it, but laying out partitions and drives is not a simple task, you need t > Whats probably more important, once you "undo" all the DOS think, you will find > As human beings we all like to feel comfortable with things we know and underst > Linda --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 11-Nov-99 18:19:00 To: IAN MOOTE 13-Nov-99 01:05:25 Subj: Get Going Some senseless babbling from Ian Moote to Mike Ruskai on 11-11-99 14:06 about Get Going... MR> This should be taken by you as a big warning flag. How can he be a MR> guru if he has little experience with OS/2? MR> MR> That he's given you fundamentally incorrect information about DOS MR> should be leading you on a path towards parting company with his MR> advice, if not his person. IM> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ IM> I've been kind-of following this thread and have been getting a pretty IM> good laugh at a lot of the "advice" that Linda has been getting. This, IM> however, seems to be a bit on the drastic side. Could you clarify this IM> for me? It's a slightly humorous way of saying that while his bad advice should hardly warrant never talking to him again, it should definitely warrant not taking his advice again. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I blow my nose at you! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 00:23:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 00:23:00 Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 11-12-1999 LP> NIC? Never heard that before. Now be nice the the poor thing. LP> It's done good service for many years. Unfortunately, technology LP> has passed it by. Network Interface Card/Circuit/Connection - the gizmo that hooks onto the network cable. LP> WH> Friday but the stuff hit the fan at work today and I doubt I'll get to LP> WH> DHL before Monday. LP> LP> That's OK. Understand. Sorry about work. Y2K stuff? LP> No, more of a combination of fat fingers, fat heads, and users who think manuals are devices to increase the height of their chairs. Couple that with type-A managers and they send me in figuring at my age I can get by with the curmudgeon act without risking their own 'ca-rears'. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 13-Nov-99 00:00:00 To: All 13-Nov-99 00:00:00 Subj: Tutorial I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this weekend. Just where is it kept ???? - - Regards RonN - ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 13-Nov-99 00:00:01 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 13-Nov-99 00:00:01 Subj: 2.1 JP> RN> After disk 4 you reinsert the disks installation and one JP> RN> before continuing with the rest. JP> RN> I wondered why the disk images weren't stored in a temp directory to JP> RN> avoid this? JP> JP> Because OS/2 only reaches the stage where it is executing JP> user-mode programs, such as SYSINST*.EXE, several floppy JP> discs into the whole process. JP> JP> JP> and that there JP> may not even *be* a destination disc drive at all since the JP> hard disc may be blank, requiring FDISK to be run first and JP> the installation procedure to then be restarted from the JP> beginning. JP> Understood all of that, thanks - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 13-Nov-99 00:00:02 To: Lee Aroner 13-Nov-99 00:00:02 Subj: StarOffice LA> LA> Apparently it changed the assoc for text/html to "Starwriter LA> LA> HTML LA> LA> Document", which means that you have to individually change each LA> LA> and every object, by hand, back to it's desired type. What a LA> LA> PITA! LA> LA> LA> LA> You'd think the developers of a program would want to foster LA> In W4 A rexx program in "X:\OS2\setdefv.cmd" may do what you want. - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 13-Nov-99 14:59:05 To: Eddy Thilleman 13-Nov-99 03:49:18 Subj: dos games under Warp 4 Hi Eddy, PK> Actually its even more intelligent than that, if the memory being PK> swapped out is part of an EXE file that never actually changes while PK> it is in memory, it doesn't really swap it out, it marks the PAGE as PK> being swapped and then continues, but when it needs that PAGE in PK> again, it just loads it directly from the image it stored in the SWAP PK> file that it wrote when the application was initially loaded! ET> So you say that it loads pages from the swap file wich ET> aren't being swapped out before?? There was a fundamental change in the logic of the USE of SWAPPER.DAT somewhere between V2.0 and V2.11 but I can't remember enough of the details (it was too long ago) of when all this changed. The main change was that a PAGE in memory that was from the EXECUTABLE part of a program that NEVER altered, was written to the SWAP file just ONCE, and subsequently was never written again. This provided a small performance improvement on systems that were doing a lot of swapping. ET> IIRC, OS/2 (at least Warp 4) reloads pages from an ET> executable file (such as .EXE-, .DLL-files) from that ET> executable file where it is loaded from again (and not ET> from the swap file) when it's needed again. No, you can't load pages DIRECTLY from the .EXE file itself, the .EXE file format does not contain an EXACT memory print of what that application looks like once it is loaded into memory. The only place such a print could be taken is directly from memory AFTER the .EXE is loaded. Interestingly, I have been doing a bit of work with NT lately, and of course I started making comparisons.........;-) One of the first things I noticed is that NT DEFINATELY bogs down on swap file performance once your memory is over-committed, even if its only by a small amount. On the other hand, the OS/2 SWAP file can be quite large and yet performance seems to be excellent by comparison, barely noticeable. Cheers.............pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 09:03:12 To: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 03:49:18 Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM HG>> Could the above also be used to make PCBoard listings? JP>> From what ? From the 00GLOBAL.TXT file ? The answer is "yes" as JP>> long as PC-Board understands and processes the FILES.BBS format. HG> That's the problem, it doesn't. What does it use, then ? ( I sense an impending challenge to the inhabitants of the OS2REXX echo. (-: ) ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 10:09:19 To: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 03:49:18 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru ML> I think that if you follow the advice of a "guru" who doesn't seem to ML> know much about OS/2, you are going to be very disappointed with your ML> OS/2 experience. [...] HS>> If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and HS>> possibly why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive, HS>> since FDISK will refuse to directly do this. The answer to "how" is HS>> that I used my bag of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton HS>> Utilities. "Why" is a much longer story. I think that this is an important point that everybody has missed, and as a result several people are talking at cross-purposes. From what he says, it appears that "Linda's guru" has partitioned her disc by editing the partition table directly, in order to create four type 0X primary partitions. (The output of PARTLIST, which I am hoping Linda will post, will confirm whether or not this is actually the case.) This is a *very* unusual setup, and one that is incompatible with several operating systems. It is possible to create it using ordinary system tools on some operating systems. Windows NT 4's Disk Administrator, for example, allows one to create multiple primary partitions. However, when one tries to do so Disk Administrator will present a large warning message before allowing one to proceed to the effect that this is incompatible with several operating systems (It actually mentions MS-DOS specifically.), and will cause the second and subsequent primary partitions to be invisible when those operating systems are running. The conventional setup with multiple primary partitions, for comparison, is to have only one of the four primary partitions given an 0X type at any one time, and all of the rest given an unrecognisable type (such as 1X), so that whilst they are recognised as primary partitions, they are skipped by all operating systems because they don't have a recognised type. A multiboot utility, such as IBM's Boot Manager, changes the partition types on the fly so that the correct primary partition is "visible" (i.e. the operating system will see an 0X type and recognise it) according to which partition is selected from the boot menu. My first reaction, as Linda's guru predicted, is to ask "Why?". As you rightly pointed out, there is very little reason to do what he has done. The normal way to have multiple operating systems on a single drive is to have three entries in the primary MBR: Boot Manager (a type 0A entry) to allow booting from any primary *or extended* partition, a single FATxx or type 07 primary partition (which is used to boot all Microsoft operating systems such as DOS, DOS-Windows 3.x, DOS-Windows 9x, and Windows NT, using the "play musical chairs with the config files" facility that Microsoft provides in lieu of making its operating systems bootable from non-primary partitions), and the extended partition (a type 05 or 0F entry). Operating systems such as OS/2 Warp, linux, and the various PC unices, which don't *need* to have any presence on a primary partition *at all* in order to boot (in contrast with DOS, DOS-Windows 3.x, DOS-Windows 9x, and Windows NT), can then be placed in logical drives in the extended partition. I fail to see any reason why one would choose to use the scheme that Linda's guru has had to craft by hand using a partition table editor. The only possibility that I can think of is that he is motived by (a) wanting all operating systems to see all data on the drive and (b) not knowing about Boot Manager and wants to be able to use the DOS FDISK to switch between partitions by changing the "active" flag around. The former point, that he might want all operating systems to see all data on the drive, I can understand, because with the "usual" scheme for multiple primary partitions, as many people have rightly pointed out, the space on the other three primary partitions is always unusuable, since they aren't "visible". This has to be the case, in order for the correct partition to be recognised as the primary boot partition (and given the same drive letter, C, where applicable) by *all* operating systems. But I think that (if this is the case) he is either unaware, or has forgotten, that not all operating systems can recognise one another's volume formats *anyway*. Even if he has all four primary partitions set to type 0x, for example, the *highly recommended* setup is for OS/2 Warp to have an HPFS volume for its boot volume, not FAT. In which case other operating systems, such as MS/PC/DR-DOS, which do not natively understand type 07 partitions at all, will still not be able to access and use the space. So he hasn't actually gained what he wanted. The same would be true if, for another example, Linda had chosen to install linux on one of those primary partitions, since DOS cannot understand EXT2 either. So I think that the idea that one can keep all space usable by the mechanism of having multiple "visible" primary partitions simultaneously is based upon a misconception. The latter point, that he might want to use the DOS FDISK to multi-boot by changing the "active" flag around, is countered by the fact that Boot Manager is a *much* better way of achieving the desired end, of booting from different partitions, and one that can be used *without* having to hand-craft such a non-standard partition table. Once Boot Manager is installed, *it* is the active partition, and stays the active partition all of the time. It then presents a menu, and allows one to boot from any other partition. Boot Manager will arrange to modify the partition types in the primary MBR on the fly to keep the correct primary partition "visible" if one has more than one primary partition; but generally one doesn't, since Boot Manager has the very welcome bonus that it can boot from *any* partition, primary or extended, on *any* disc that is accessible via the BIOS. One doesn't actually *need*, therefore, multiple primary partitions in the first place, since one can place OS/2 Warp (or, say, linux) entirely within an extended partition -- on a secondary or tertiary disc, even -- and have Boot Manager boot it from there. This also quite neatly addresses the problem of allowing as much space as possible to be available at any time, too, since if there is only one primary partition (for DOS, DOS-Windows 3.x, DOS-Windows 9x, and the boot files for Windows NT) it is always "visible" and there is no need to have "hidden" primary partitions that cannot be seen. The only space that will be unavailable is the space in volumes whose filesystem types the currently booted operating system cannot understand. I'm hoping that Linda's guru will explain the answer to "Why?". ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 10:29:07 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 03:49:18 Subj: Get Going AR>> I am curious as to why. What advantage does that have over using AR>> Logical partitions? LP> You'll have to ask him. if you really want to know I can give you his LP> email address. I knew. It has something to do about the weaknesses LP> inherent in logical partitions vs primarys. But I can't remember LP> right at the moment. It seems that several people are asking "Why?". Hand-editing the partition table into a non-standard form using Norton Utilities isn't necessary at all for the sort of setup that you appear to be wanting (DOS, OS/2, and possibly DOS-Windows 9x on a single drive). The standard configuration, which many people have been using for many years (and which I have even used myself in the early 1990s), is to have: Boot Manager, a single primary partition holding DOS, and OS/2 Warp in a logical drive in an extended partition. If one wants DOS-Windows 9x later, one installs it on the single primary partition alongside DOS, since that is the way that it will *try* to install itself, using the standard Microsoft mechanism of playing musical chairs with the config files on that partition once one has booted from it. The one "weakness" of logical drives that most people worry about is that their drive letters can alter if one adds extra discs with primary partitions on them. *However*, it is actually very unusual to need to have a secondary or tertiary disc with a primary partition on it. One won't be able to boot such a primary partition *without* Boot Manager, since the BIOS only boots from the first physical disc. And if one *were* using Boot Manager, it wouldn't need to be a primary partition *anyway*, since Boot Manager can quite happily boot extended partitions. The consequence of this is that secondary and tertiary physical discs don't need to contain *any* primary partitions, and *all* partitions can be logical drives on such discs. As such, the worry about drive letters of extended partitions on the first physical disc changing when one installs another physical disc is removed, since it is only *primary* partitions on such discs that affect the order of drive letter assignments for logical drives on the first physical disc. Logical drives on secondary and tertiary physical discs will not affect the drive letter that is assigned to logical drives on the primary physical disc. What other "weaknesses" did he have in mind ? ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 10:55:20 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 03:49:18 Subj: FTP & Telenet LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not what LP> kind of programs would I need? The ones supplied as standard with OS/2 Warp 3 Connect and OS/2 Warp 4: [C:\]which telnet telnetpm ftp ftppm 01-08-1996 06:40:58 pm 183808 0 _____A C:\TCPIP\BIN\telnet.exe 06-08-1996 02:17:58 pm 199680 0 _____A C:\TCPIP\BIN\telnetpm.exe 22-07-1996 08:37:58 am 126976 0 _____A C:\TCPIP\BIN\ftp.exe 22-07-1996 08:41:58 am 108060 0 _____A C:\TCPIP\BIN\ftppm.exe [C:\] ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 11:01:00 To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 03:49:18 Subj: Get Going AR>> I am curious as to why. What advantage does that have over using AR>> Logical partitions? WH> That makes (at least) two of us! You, I, and Andy have all asked, as predicted, "Why?". WH> I'd like to see that partition table before I accept 'smoke and mirrors' WH> after having written both boot code and disk drivers for DOS 6 lo these WH> many moons past. I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from the command prompt when booted from the install discs). I'm curious as to whether he really has, as implied, hand-edited the partition table to contain multiple visible primary partitions. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 11-Nov-99 11:22:14 To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 03:49:18 Subj: Get Going WH> I'm at least curious as to how OS/2 is gonna react ;-} I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-: By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source), Process_Partition() takes the first recognisable partition in the MBR that it finds, and Build_Next_VolCB() only calls it once per MBR. The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to take the for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move it into both Build_Next_VolCB() and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it along the way so that it doesn't exit prematurely any more by removing the `found' logic, and make Process_Partition() take the current loop index as an extra parameter instead. Daniela ? ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Win9XX Question In a message to John Thompson, Linda Proulx wrote re: Win9XX Question JT> Note that Win98 does not allow you to keep a previous version of JT> DOS or Windows on the drive. LP> Why am I not surprised? If you haven't read Judge Jackson's "Findings of Fact" in the MS vs DOJ trial, it gives a quite lucid analysis of why MS made the design and marketing decisions they did with Win95 and Win98. Basically, MS wanted people to migrate to the latest version of Windows and IE to maintain the "applications barrier to entry" in the PC software market and thereby maintain their monopoly position. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: FTP & Telenet In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: FTP & Telenet LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not what LP> kind of programs would I need? OS/2 comes with stand-alone telnet and ftp clients (also servers, if you have "Connect" or Warp v4). Netscape can handle ftp on its own, and will spawn a telnet session if it needs to do so. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00 To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Manual? In a message to HOLGER GRANHOLM, MIKE RUSKAI wrote re: Manual? MR> I'd agree with Warp 4, but the Warp 3 manual is fairly thick. MR> MR> Though it's still no match for what OS/2 2.1 came with. I actually read MR> that sucker before installing. Heh. I remember when I got Warp v3 I opened the box and thought "where's the manual?" But it's still better than the docs that came with Win98: belaboring the obvious, and then saying if you run into any problems, don't call Microsoft, call whoever sold you the PC. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Peer to Peer In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Peer to Peer LP> Just to confirm that no peer-to-peer was really created for Warp LP> Connect. Warp v3 "Connect" includes IBM Peer Services for OS/2, which will allow OS/2 to work on a Windows peer network. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Vmodem In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Vmodem LP> Been following the posts & hoped to catch up on what Vmodem was but LP> haven't been able to. Is it a protocol, etc, or something like a LP> fossil? It's a virtual modem driver that lets serial communication programs (ie terminal programs, BBS's, etc.) function on a tcp/ip network. It's not a fossil but the package does include a special DOS fossil driver that can work with the SIO.SYS comm driver if your DOS BBS program expects to use a fossil. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Network In a message to John Thompson, Linda Proulx wrote re: Network LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed the LP> minimum date is somewhere in 1990. Do you see the "SYS2025" or "SYS2027" errors when you boot from the install diskettes or try to install? * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru In a message to Linda Proulx, Murray Lesser wrote re: Get an OS/2 guru HS>This is a common belief, but wrong, at least for DOS and Win95. >These 2 OS's do see all the primary partitions on a single hard >drive. Your machine is living proof (at least for DOS). I can't >swear to it, but I'm almost sure that OS/2 would also see them all. ML> Taken in context, the unattributed paragraph is entirely correct. As ML> I remember the original, the topic being discussed was Boot Manager. If ML> all your bootable partitions are primary partitions on the same drive, ML> they all have the same partition letter (usually C: on the first HD, ML> since neither DOS nor Windows can boot from any other partition). As a ML> consequence, none of the booted systems can see any other bootable ML> partition because you can have only one active C: drive on a system at a ML> time. (Your guru should have known this!) With this exception, in ML> general, OS/2 can see all primary partitions and extended partitions, ML> but may not be able to read them. OTOH, neither DOS nor Win95 can see ML> partitions formatted HPFS, whether primary or extended. This is not a ML> valid reason not to use HPFS for big partitions; perhaps it is a valid ML> reason not to boot DOS nor Win95 :-). IIRC, newer versions of Windows (including NT) disregard the PC standard of only allowing one primary partition to be visible at a time. Therefore Windows can see multiple primaries on a single device. Whether or not this is a good depends on your point of view, I guess. OS/2 has held to the standard of not seeing primary partitions that are not marked as active, so OS/2 will not see your inactive primary partitions. I believe the PARTFLT driver can be used to work around this, if you really want to do so. HS>If you explain this to him, he'll no doubt ask how the heck (and >possibly why the heck) you created 4 primary partitions on one drive, >since FDISK will refuse to directly do this. The answer to "how" is >that I used my bag of tricks - a combination of FDISK and Norton >Utilities. "Why" is a much longer story. ML> Do not ever, ever, ever, use Norton Utilities (or any other ML> DOS/Windows disk-fixer utility) on a partition (or drive) containing ML> OS/2 files, UNLESS you are really an expert on the OS/2 internal file ML> structures and know exactly what you are doing!!! ML> ML> At the worst, you will lose your desktop, which is mainly stored as ML> OS/2 Extended Attributes. The FAT file system used by OS/2 is "backward ML> compatible" to that used by DOS/Windows to the extent that it can read ML> DOS FAT files, but the reverse is not quite true. OS/2 FAT uses two ML> "reserved" bytes in the DOS FAT directory structure to point to the ML> "attached" file that contains the Extended Attributes belonging to that ML> "owning" file. OS/2 also has a "dummy" file (EA DATA. FS) in the root ML> directory of any FAT partition containing EAs, that is used to keep ML> track of which portions of the physical file space on that partition ML> hold EAs (this file is not normally displayed by an OS/2 FAT "DIR" ML> command; "DIR /A" will display it). DOS has no provisions to see this ML> file (note the "illegal" file name). A DOS "drive fixer" utility may ML> wipe out all your EAs while "fixing" what it found to be a "corrupted" ML> directory :-(. At best, some DOS "defragger" utilities (that recognize ML> OS/2's existence) don't wipe out the EA "files" but leave them where ML> they were, rather than moving them to follow their "owner" files in ML> physical sequence; thereby reducing performance when reading files ML> containing EAs. This would be especially noticeable when the system is ML> loading a large REXX program. And yet another reason *NOT* to install OS/2 to a FAT partition. HPFS has no need for cobble-jobs like "EA DATA. SF" to handle extended attributes. ML> Incidentally, IMO, it is very poor practice to install more primary ML> partitions than are needed, because this unnecessarily limits ML> flexibility for future changes. Yes, save the primary partitions for those inflexible systems that absolutely require them; ie, Microsoft operating systems and IBM's Boot Manager. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 12-Nov-99 20:23:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: OS/2 on old clunkers In a message to Will Honea, Linda Proulx wrote re: OS/2 on old clunkers WH> Linda, I mentioned in another post about booting from floppy to test WH> drive configuration. If you have at least EGA (preferably VGA) video WH> on the '89 vintage machine try booting it from the Warp 3 install WH> floppies. I had several 85 - 90 motherboards which were quite happy WH> with Warp 3 despite rumors to the contrary. LP> 'Unleashed' says no. Something about the AMI bios. And the Laser has LP> some odd engineering. Well, like Will says, boot from the Install diskettes and see what happens. You can abort the installation after you've booted if you don't want to install right away, but at least you'll know if you have this purported BIOS problem. I'm afraid there's no other way, and you're just wasting your time worrying until then. LP> If I do, will have to use the Red because the old LP> unit has no CDROM. And will lose the Connect feature. The CD's have a utility that can create diskettes you can install form. This utility works in both DOS and OS/2, so if you have another machine with a CD drive you can make the diskettes on that machine and install them on the other machine. That's how I installed OS/2 on my laptop, which lacks a CD drive. Even the Connect network and tcp/ip support packages can be installed from diskettes in this way. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 12-Nov-99 18:06:00 To: WILL HONEA 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Missing Window control.. Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai on 11-11-99 21:10 about Missing Window control..... WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to PETER KNAPPER on 11-10-1999 MR> I am using FP10 right now, with no such problems (or any others). WH> Mike, was the screwed-up directory attribute in fp10 and 11 or was it WH> unique to 11? That's the one that made updated directories invisible WH> to some programs (like Post Road Mailer). I haven't run into anything like what you describe, but since I'm not entirely certain what you're asking, I can't say whether or not the problem exists. I haven't had any programs have trouble seeing directories which have had their contents changed, if that's close to what you're getting at. I've also not used PRM for quite some time, due to a problem that no other program experienced, which they couldn't duplicate, much less fix. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 12-Nov-99 18:11:00 To: WILL HONEA 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Vmodem Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai on 11-11-99 21:55 about Vmodem... WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX on 11-11-1999 MR> Vmodem stands for Virtual modem. WH> That line popped up an interesting thought: what would happen if you WH> pointed a DOS program (specifically TurboTax) to Vmodem and told it to WH> use a dialup connection instead of an existing inet connection??? WH> I never did get the TT online stuff to work right - kept giving me all WH> sorts of socket-related errors - but I never thought to try this WH> little trick. Anybody tried it? If not, maybe I'll give it a shot WH> come tax time this year. This could be interesting... Having never used TurboTax, I can only suggest that based on what you're saying, it'd depend entirely on whether or not the connection process is different from dial-up or explicitly using the Internet. If it does everything the same, and considers the telephone line or TCP/IP stack as an abstraction layer, then it should work. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Cats know how we feel ... They just don't give a damn. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 12-Nov-99 18:13:00 To: LINDA PROULX 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Re: Vmodem Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to David Randall on 11-12-99 01:41 about Re: Vmodem... LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx <=- DR> It's part of the SIO comm driver package. It allows you to setup a DR> virtual modem. This tricks DOS comm programs into thinking that DR> they're using a real modem on a dial-up line even tho they're being DR> used over the internet. This enables me to use Telix for a telnet DR> client and to use a mailer to connect with another mailer over the net DR> for my echomail feed. LP> Sound like fun. So that it looks like I just dialed up a board here LP> but instead is connecting to another over the I net. If I ever Inet, LP> how does one get the driver? The shareware version of SIO is available all over. There's also a beta for a new version, which hasn't been updated in some time, unfortunately. To register, you can call Ray Gwinn's BBS (the author), via phone or telnet, and use a credit card. Without registering, the released version is limited to 4 ports, including Vmodem ports. Registration cost varies by the number of ports. The beta version has no set limit on the number of Vmodem ports, but it may still have a limit on physical ports. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... But how do we know your the REAL Angel of Death? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara 13-Nov-99 04:55:23 To: All 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: MsgReader Hi! I want to know the urls to get all these cool msgreaders. I may convert from bw pkt for anything of it? These msgreaders accept bw pkt for reading? I dont like qwk pkts. == Rodrigo Cesar Banhara == rcb@iconet.com.br == --- * Origin: HidraSoft BBS * Aruja', SP, Brasil * 55-11-4654-2024 * (4:801/161) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 12-Nov-99 11:26:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Family Tree Linda Proulx, 11-Nov-99 20:37:53, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=- Subject: Re: Get Going AR>> Family Tree for OS/2 which she saw I had. LP> Hmm. Is it shareware? Thinking of doing that kind of project LP> actually. Didn't know there was an OS/2 version. --- Ftree12F.Zip 08-06-98 1,242,593 FamilyTree v1.2f, 32-bit genealogy program for OS/2, PM graphical application, multithreaded, Drap&Drop, Rexx. Put all related persons in one family tree and work with your data by using the mouse and opening context menus. Shareware DM 20,-- / US $ 15, Author Nils Meier Internet: nmeier@vossnet.de --- The author has shifted his efforts toward a Java version. --- Ftree-Java-0_0_20.Zip 08-16-99 426,217 Family Tree 0.0.20 for Java http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Program/2225/ Ftree-Java-Manual.Zip 03-31-98 205,880 Family Tree Manual for Java Swing11.Zip 08-02-99 1,621,146 Java Foundation Classes (Swing) Until lately Java only provided AWT (that's Abstract Windowing Toolkit) - a class library that enables the devloper to design forms and window-elements. The visible components are handled by the underlying platform but are very simple and not sufficient for serious application programming. That's why Sun has written a new class-library, which codename is Swing. It is provided here as a single .zip-file (containing swing.jar). Required for Family Tree for Java ftree-java-0_0_20.zip http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Program/2225/ --- Those are all that is needed to run Family Tree for Java on OS/2 or Linux or WinXX or MAC. --- Ftree-Api-0_0_8.Zip 08-16-98 171,439 Family Tree 0.0.8 API for Java (All classes of Family Tree are described here) Ftree-Applet.Zip 03-26-99 196,784 Family Tree Applet Archive for Java Ftree-Src-0_0_20.Zip 08-15-99 392,915 Family Tree 0.0.20 Source for Java Ftree_En.Zip 12-14-98 7,100 English Resources for Java (Download this if you want to create your own localized version) Resedit-1_0_0.Zip 08-28-99 19,010 ResEdit 1.0.0 Resources Editor for ftree-java-0_0_20.zip --- All those will be on the CD I make. There is also a very slow Mailing List: --- Please consider joining that mailing list so all of us can join the ideas and contribution of other interested in Family Tree for Java. To join simply send a message to steward@celtes.com and in the body of the message put the following two words : subscribe ftree --- Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 12-Nov-99 13:19:09 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Re: Get Going Linda Proulx, 11-Nov-99 20:37:53, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=- Subject: Re: Get Going LP> I remember overhearing a word processing student wondering why in LP> the H she had to learn about directories, subdirectories & basic LP> DOS. All she wants to know is how to use the wordprocessing LP> program. Sigh. I exposed my wife to computers a couple of decades ago with an Epson QX-10 and ValDocs which had a GUI (better than WinXX has now) and allowed long file names, which she got addicted to. And she uses MAC and WinXX as a secretary for the school where she has been working almost that long. To this day she doesn't have the slightest idea what a subdirectory, file extension, or command line is. I have setup all the apps she uses (even in her office) to default to looking for and saving files in her personal subdirectories. And in some cases default to opening the last file she used automatically or at least make that the default selection, so that she doesn't get confused by all the other files that may appear. She gets along pretty well with Quicken and her MAC word processor on a daily basis. And she no longer calls for help with the monthly reports although yearly reports are another matter. If a new procedure requires more than 3 steps or 50 words to describe, then I type it out and send it to her via Fax, so she can read it while we talk on the phone. If the new procedure requires more than 6 steps, then I might as well go into her office and do it for her, or she asks the school's computer coordinator to do it for her. She doesn't like PCs. She rarely if ever uses the F1-key online help. And she despises software upgrades that change the appearance or location of features she did know how to find and use. Here at home if I make the mistake of leaving a window open with 1 of my apps, then she will slam it closed without saving nor exiting politely. Which considering how I string several prgms together to toss/read/pack msgs, does once in a while annoy me. But we rarely ever get into any argument about computers. We are not at all alike, we complement each other, in that I do the things she doesn't and she does many things I don't like to do. She is great in the kitchen and takes care of her herb garden and the grand children love her. And of course I love her in spite of or maybe even because of her lack of technical awareness. Obviously I have written a lot of prgms to automate things and make them very simple for her to interact with. That includes an computerized X-10 home automation and security system with about 100 devices, including an automatic entrance gate, all of which she controls with an RF remote control with 8 buttons. Actually she doesn't need the RF remote control for many features, since the computer system would watch her and do things like turn the lights on before she needed them and turn them off again after she left and even open the gate before she got to it, wait for her to drive through, then close it again, without her ever pressing any button. This X-10 system has a fairly high level of AI due to extensive If-Then-Else programming. It has it's own monitor which is dark most of the time, yet automatically pops up many different displays of layouts of our property and buildings with different colors etc, depending on exactly what the system detected or is doing. That's fine for seeing even across the living room. But I also tied the system into a PA so it would let me know what was happening while I am in another room or outside. Just for the fun of it I programmed it to talk by turning on the stereo and playing WAV files that I pre-recorded. Actually it has a pretty good vocabulary since it can combine words from many different files and string them together into a sentence. I had it doing things like turning on the lights and raising the dimmer and telling her what time it was (repeatedly in 2-5 minute intervals if she didn't get up) as an alarm clock in the morning. It would even tell her good-bye as she left for work while I continued to sleep. And of course it automatically re-arms the alarm system after the gate is closed and she should be long gone. Now if the motion detectors thinks there is an intruder, the lights and some other stuff start to do some rather strange things, that are intended to scare off the intruder before they get a chance to get near enough to do any damage. And it has many different stages of alarm and reaction depending on if the intruder is on the perimeter or continues to get nearer or tries to enter the house or other buildings or actually gets inside the house. This alarm system covers an area of almost 1/2 a mile, so I get about 2 to 5 minutes warning in most cases. Rather fancy door bell most of the time. Our cats like it. But 1 day my wife forgot something and decided to come back to get it after she left for work, and she forgot to dis-arm the alarm system. So the computer had some rather "choice words" for her and kept flashing the lights on and off so that she could hardly see to get back into the house. Plus since the alarm system knew it was not just our cats, it triggered a 125dB siren, which is at or above the human threshold of pain and located right at the front door, where my wife was fiddling with her keys in the dark. Well at least it didn't turn on the sprinklers, so my wife was not all wet when she finally did get in. But she was steaming! And wouldn't you know it, the computer didn't even say it was sorry. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: Mr Gates, if that's a feature, I dread to see the bugs (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Larry Snider 12-Nov-99 19:22:12 To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Vmodem Hi Will, 11-Nov-99 21:55:00, Will Honea wrote to Mike Ruskai Subject: Vmodem wh> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX on 11-11-1999 MR>> Vmodem stands for Virtual modem. wh> That line popped up an interesting thought: what would happen if wh> you pointed a DOS program (specifically TurboTax) to Vmodem and wh> told it to use a dialup connection instead of an existing inet wh> connection??? From VMODEM.TXT: ==================================== WHAT IS VMODEM Vmodem is a software implementation of a modem, referred to as a Virtual Modem. Basically, it attempts to fake out other software (like terminal programs) into believing they are accessing a real modem. Vmodem will turn any Terminal into a Telnet Client, and any BBS into a Telnet Server. ==================================== So, if you need a program to access a web site - no good. If you're trying to access a dial-up connection - no good. But, if TT has a telnet server...can do. Larry Snider Larry.Snider@attglobal.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro [OS/2] * Origin: OS/2: The Power of Network Computing (1:109/921.52) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Larry Snider 12-Nov-99 19:36:15 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Hi Linda, 12-Nov-99 01:38:53, Linda Proulx wrote to David Randall Subject: Re: FTP & Telenet lp> Greetings and Salutations, LP>> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not LP>> what kind of programs would I need? DR>> If you use the SIO comm drivers, you can setup a virtual modem DR>> and use any DOS terminal program for a telnet client. I've used DR>> Telix and Front Door in this manner. Or get a copy of the OS/2 DR>> version of ZOC. lp> SIO means? Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number? How lp> does one use a Front Door without being a BBS? SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years. Larry Snider Larry.Snider@attglobal.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro [OS/2] * Origin: Best way to accelerate Windows is at escape velocity. (1:109/921.52) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 12-Nov-99 21:10:29 To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru Jack Stein, 11-Nov-99 11:56:14, Jack Stein wrote to Andy Roberts JS> Andy Roberts wrote in a message to Linda Proulx: Subject: Get an OS/2 guru ML>> I am breaking in to what is really none of my business, AR>> That's fine with me. Funny how this thread has suddenly inspired AR>> that response. I was just telling my sister-in-law that I'm AR>> going to learn not to stick my nose in other people's bee's wax. JS> Knock that off Andy, we demand you stick your nose in as often as JS> possible. We all have to, thats how we learn, and teach, and learn JS> some more... Then you better keep your mind open to a Y2K solution for your Fidonet setup. Or we will all have to gang up on you and send you E-Mail File Attaches of alternative software. JS> Your input, along with the rest of us is what makes OS/2 useable. Just remember that "us" includes you. So if you drop out, then we will drag you back in here. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 12-Nov-99 21:21:17 To: All 13-Nov-99 07:09:18 Subj: Guess What Greetings Everyone, Guess what. Decided to install on the clunker. If it hadn't been for a bad disk 6 would be doing the tutorial right now. Went through all the startable, installable, etc. Finally figured it out. By the way, guys, OS/2 sees everything. Had no problem with the partitions. The clunker is set up the same way as the Big One. We will see how long the clunker works on Warp but it went throught the install process until the bad disk. Big sigh. Linda Anon, Linda ... 2000 years ago, Egyptians worshipped cats. The cats never forgot it. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:16:00 To: HERBERT ROSENAU 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. Hey HERBERT ROSENAU, what's up? HERBERT ROSENAU was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS dead.! HR>>> Go to ebay.com. There you can find OS/2 WARP 4 for less than $50. AS>> I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website AS>> you're talkign about, is that used or not? I'd rather prefer not AS>> used. HR> It's used. It is an auction side. You my find some interesting things - HR> and HR> OS/2 WARP is there highly interesting! Hmm... I was looking on there, but I could only find Warp 3, never saw Warp 4 on there :( HR> To become internet connectivity you have to buy at least WARP 3 Conncet. HR> Because WARP 3 red/blue has only a stripped tcp/ip 2.0 - and will never HR> WARP Connect and WARP 4 has tcp/ip 4.0 and there are Fixpacks to make it Hmm, my choice was the latest version of OS/2, right now Warp 4, you know if there'll be any other ones out later on? HR> So if you'll have actual Fixpacks, modern tcp/ip with fixes..... you HR> would buy HR> a (used) OS/2 WARP 4. AS>> And I don't have a CD rom drive either. HR> Do you like to handle with more than 30 diskettes to install an OS?. Plus HR> approximate 20 diskettes for a Fixpack + .....? Not really, but do I have a choice? HR> On ebay you my find a used CDR for a few $. It's still expensive, plus the shipping and all that stuff, trust me, I'm not rich enough. HR> On other hand if you have got a friend with a CDR you my copy all needed HR> diskettes from CD to diskettes. On each WARP CD is a .cmd (startable HR> under HR> OS/2) and a .bat (for DOS systems) for copying the dikette images to HR> diskettes. That could be an alternative. HR> Hardware requirement for HR> WARP 3 WARP 4 HR> CPU I386 I486 (creeps on 386 too) HR> Memory 12 MB 16 MB (with Voice Type 24 or more) HR> Disk 250 MB 400 MB (including swapper.dat) That's it, now I can forget about getting Warp 3 or Warp 4. I'll stay with the ever crashing OS/2 2.1 :( ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>---- þ TerMail/QWK þ Kewlness Sir.Al@Milkyway.canbbs.net :P BC --- EzyQwk V1.48g0 01fd0192 * Origin: Milky Way, Langley, BC [604] 532-4367 (1:153/307) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:21:00 To: EDDY THILLEMAN 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. Hey EDDY THILLEMAN, what's up? EDDY THILLEMAN was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS dead.! ET> Hello Albert, ET> 04 Nov 99 16:33, Albert Sodyl wrote to HERBERT ROSENAU: AS>> I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website AS>> you're talkign about, is that used or not? I'd rather prefer not AS>> used. And I don't have a CD rom drive either. ET> A cdrom drive and a cdrom makes it far easier and faster to ET> install OS/2. I understand, but it's not like I have a choice, I'd love to have a CD-ROM drive. ET> Warp 3 can be made Y2000 proof with a recent fixpack, the latest ET> fixpack for Warp 3 is fp 40 or 41 (I think). Warp 4 lives longer. I'll try to get Warp 4 if I can :) ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>---- þ TerMail/QWK þ What am I supposed to do with shareware? BC --- EzyQwk V1.48g0 01fd0192 * Origin: Milky Way, Langley, BC [604] 532-4367 (1:153/307) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:23:00 To: GREGORY URBAN 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. Hey GREGORY URBAN, what's up? GREGORY URBAN was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS dead.! GU>> How does $35 + shipping sound for Warp 3 Connect on CD-ROM, used GU>> but with all documentation? AS>> I can get Warp 3 red box for $30 CAN (canadian). Is yours in CAN AS>> or US dollars? GU> Um...US dollars. Mine is blue box... Ahh, thanks, but after checking on OS/2, I've decided to stay with 2.1 for now, until I get a better computer and then I'll upgrade to Warp 4, so I won't need Warp 3, but thanks anyhow! GU>> If interested drop me an email at kragmeiser@fast.net AS>> I don't have the internet... :( GU> Ahh... I might be able to send internet e-mail though. ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>---- þ TerMail/QWK þ So how old where you again? :P BC --- EzyQwk V1.48g0 01fd0192 * Origin: Milky Way, Langley, BC [604] 532-4367 (1:153/307) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:26:00 To: LINDA PROULX 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: FTP & Telenet Hey LINDA PROULX, what's up? LINDA PROULX was heard grumbling this to ALL about FTP & Telenet! LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not LP> what kind of programs would I need? Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest version of ZOC and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better in my opinion. ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>---- þ TerMail/QWK þ .../----\... II.?.II ~~`~~ ..''`` :) (: BC --- EzyQwk V1.48g0 01fd0192 * Origin: Milky Way, Langley, BC [604] 532-4367 (1:153/307) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Albert Sodyl 11-Nov-99 16:29:00 To: DAITENGU 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. Hey DAITENGU , what's up? DAITENGU was heard grumbling this to ALBERT SODYL about OS/2 2.1 IS dead.! AS>> I was thinking of getting the Warp 3 red box.... and this website AS>> you're talkign about, is that used or not? I'd rather prefer not AS>> used. And I don't have a CD rom drive either. D> Son, you need a new computer :) .. E-bay (http://www.ebay.com) is D> an online auction ... most likely the product is used, but D> sometimes you can find it new... I know I do, but I'm not exactly rich. I could hardly afford this 486 a while back... much better compared to my last 286. I'd rather buy something local, I don't like used stuff :( Like this used computer, a piece of junk :( ----<<<< I am Albert Sodyl >>>>---- þ TerMail/QWK þ ---<<<<*((((((YOU ARE FEELING SLEEPY)))))*>>>>--- BC --- EzyQwk V1.48g0 01fd0192 * Origin: Milky Way, Langley, BC [604] 532-4367 (1:153/307) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:11:08 To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=- JS> I feel semi-confidant that FIDO will take a BIG hit, but if it stays JS> around a while, it will start to grow after Y2K, it won't continue to JS> shrink if it survives. Thats my biggest motivation to get things JS> working, mainly to help keep it alive, rather than help kill it:-) And I applaud that. Anon, Linda ... Not tonight, dear. I have a modem. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:16:04 To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: Re: Installation problem Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=- JS> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Nick Andre: LP> I just read somthing that said the installer may have to LP> delete or rename autoexec.bak files. Is that there? Check LP> for the backups of autoexec/config files. JS> Autoexec.bat is a DOS file, not an OS/2 file. OS/2 does not create an JS> automatic executable file on install. If one is needed later, it uses JS> it's own auto executable called STARTUP.CMD. True. But according to 'Unleashed' if there is a .bak or config backup dos file, it can stop the original install. That's what it says. Anon, Linda ... Not tonight, dear. I have a modem. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:21:04 To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: Re: Get an OS/2 guru Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jack Stein wrote to Andy Roberts <=- JS> Your input, along with the rest of us is what makes OS/2 useable. Even JS> Linda helps us, as her questions prompt others to speak their mind, and JS> everyone can learn from that stuff, including those doing the talking. Well thank you for the appreciation 8-) Anon, Linda ... 2000 years ago, Egyptians worshipped cats. The cats never forgot it. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:25:09 To: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jack Stein wrote to Andy Roberts <=- JS> I'm also curious as to how he gets DOS DOS/WIN to see more than one JS> primary partition at a time? This would _seem_ impossible if all on JS> the same drive with or without Norton Utilities. Then I'd also want to JS> know the _why_ he did it that way to beging with. Very curious, and JS> interesting. I hope she shares the info with us. He's got a heavy work load at the moment, but he said he was going to put a post together about it. Will probably send it to me & I will post it. But will be longer than a couple of days, folks. JS> From her questions, I'd think she should be able to do it herself, with JS> a little advice here and there that we all need from time to time. JS> Most of it is pretty simple, since I've been successful. Thanks for the confidence. Anon, Linda ... 2000 years ago, Egyptians worshipped cats. The cats never forgot it. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 01:31:00 To: All 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: Clunker update Greetings, Got it installed on the clunker. Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, and won't read the DOS C drive but has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install). Lost my inport mouse & hung playing a game. And want to see the DOS C. And it doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver. But then it only has 6 MB & I admit I did not try to make the swap file on the 3rd partition. And it has the old bios. Multiboot works fine, though. Anon, Linda ... Be vewy, vewy quiet. I'm hunting Vedeks... --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: James Mckenzie 12-Nov-99 19:12:14 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:21:18 Subj: FTP & Telenet Hello Linda! 12 Nov 99 01:38, Linda Proulx wrote to David Randall: LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP>> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If LP>> not what kind of programs would I need? DR>> If you use the SIO comm drivers, you can setup a virtual modem DR>> and use any DOS terminal program for a telnet client. I've used DR>> Telix and Front Door in this manner. Or get a copy of the OS/2 DR>> version of ZOC. LP> SIO means? Serial Input/Output. They are replacement drivers created by Ray Guinn for the COMM.SYS AND VCOMM.SYS drivers included with OS/2. The original drivers were MUCH better than those included with OS/2. The SIO package includes several programs, one being VMODEM which can create a virtual modem connection for programs such as FrontDoor or Zap-O-Comm (ZOC). LP> Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number? Should be Y2K compliant. The latest version is 3.12 here. I don't use the program and cannot due to the authors "anti-combat" clause. LP> How does one use a Front Door without being a BBS? Don't know the answer to this one, but I suspect that FrontDoor has a terminal mode, much like LORA (the BBS software used here) does. James ... "Win95" is a WARNING label! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: OS/2 Support * Your place for OS/2 information and Files (1:15/64) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: David Randall 13-Nov-99 09:02:23 To: James Mckenzie 13-Nov-99 16:28:03 Subj: FTP & Telenet James Mckenzie wrote in a message to David Randall: DR> Netscape will connect to most ftp sites, but I prefer to use DR> the Win3.1 version of CuteFTP. JM> Why? There are a couple of good OS/2 graphical FTP programs, JM> and a couple of command line programs. I prefer ncftp, which JM> is a port of a UNIX program of the same name. Saves the sites JM> and directories I've visited. I haven't tried ncftp, but I have tried several of the graphical OS/2 ftp programs. CuteFTP is still my first choice. It's also the only Windows program I ever use on my home computers. ... Coming soon: EDLIN for Windows 98 and OS/2 --- timEd 1.10.y2k * Origin: Cross your feet...we only have three nails (1:319/10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: David Randall 13-Nov-99 09:11:26 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 16:28:03 Subj: FTP & Telenet Linda Proulx wrote in a message to David Randall: LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If LP> not what kind of programs would I need? DR> If you use the SIO comm drivers, you can setup a virtual modem DR> and use any DOS terminal program for a telnet client. I've DR> used Telix and Front Door in this manner. Or get a copy of DR> the OS/2 version of ZOC. LP> SIO means? From the FILE_ID.DIZ: Ray Gwinn's comm drivers for OS/2, SIO.SYS and VSIO.SYS are replacements of the OS2 communications drivers COM.SYS and VCOM.SYS which come with OS/2. VX00.SYS provides FOSSIL and virtual 16550 support for DOS programs SIO can be ordered to supporting any number of ports. Vmodem now has both inbound and outbound Telnet. Highly recommended, the first OS/2 shareware that I registered. LP> Is Zoc Y2Ked? I'm not sure, perhaps someone else in here knows. LP> How does one use a Front Door without being a BBS? Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can choose to use either or both. ... Support your Post Office; waste 33 cents on a letter to Congress. --- timEd 1.10.y2k * Origin: Cross your feet...we only have three nails (1:319/10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: David Randall 13-Nov-99 09:26:13 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 16:28:03 Subj: Vmodem Linda Proulx wrote in a message to David Randall: DR> It's part of the SIO comm driver package. It allows you to DR> setup a virtual modem. This tricks DOS comm programs into DR> thinking that they're using a real modem on a dial-up line DR> even tho they're being used over the internet. This enables DR> me to use Telix for a telnet client and to use a mailer to DR> connect with another mailer over the net for my echomail feed. LP> Sound like fun. So that it looks like I just dialed up a LP> board here but instead is connecting to another over the I LP> net. If I ever Inet, how does one get the driver? It should be on any bbs with an OS/2 file area. On the internet, any of the OS/2 file depositories like Hobbes will have it. Search for SIO*.*. I believe the latest version is 1.60. Most folks find that it's worth getting even without using vmodem. ... Support OS/2 - Show Windows 95 to your friends! --- timEd 1.10.y2k * Origin: Cross your feet...we only have three nails (1:319/10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Roy J. Tellason 13-Nov-99 11:54:12 To: Larry Snider 13-Nov-99 16:28:03 Subj: DAT Larry Snider wrote in a message to Francois Thunus: LS> SCSI tape support is the only type of tape support that tar LS> supports under OS/2. I assume that it's that way on all OS's. Nope. I've got QIC-02 support under Linux working here... --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-838-8539 (1:270/615) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 13-Nov-99 00:18:00 To: EDDY THILLEMAN 13-Nov-99 16:28:03 Subj: Win9XX Question Some senseless babbling from Eddy Thilleman to Mike Ruskai on 11-11-99 10:52 about Win9XX Question... ET> Hello Mike, ET> 09 Nov 99 17:32, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX: MR> So, to install Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need to give up DOS, since MR> it'll overwrite it when installing. ET> Have you never heard of different boot partitions?? That'd require a different primary partition on the boot drive, which means shifting drive C:'s, something I never recommend. MR> The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like MR> System Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files of MR> the operating systems it supports. It allows you to install any MR> number of OS's on the same partition, and choose which to boot at MR> startup. ET> So System Commander does something like OS/2 Warp 4 does with dual ET> boot when a DOS version and OS/2 Warp 4 are both installed on the same ET> primary C: FAT-partition? Can't System Commander use different boot ET> partitions (or you didn't mention that)? Yes, and yes. However, I'm trying not to complicate the issue by introducing a bad partitioning scheme. ET> IMHO, OS/2 should be installed only on a HPFS partition. Leave FAT ET> partitions to real plain DOS. I won't argue with that. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Freud thought women envied the thing he valued most. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 14:00:00 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 13-Nov-99 14:00:00 Subj: Get Going Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea on 11-11-1999 JP> WH> I'm at least curious as to how OS/2 is gonna react ;-} JP> JP> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify JP> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . JP> (-: JP> JP> By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source), JP> Process_Partition() takes the first recognisable partition JP> in the MBR that it finds, and Build_Next_VolCB() only calls JP> it once per MBR. JP> JP> The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to JP> take the for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move JP> it into both Build_Next_VolCB() and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it JP> along the way so that it doesn't exit prematurely any more by JP> removing the `found' logic, and make Process_Partition() take the JP> current loop index as an extra parameter instead. JP> JP> Daniela ? I did something similar when I wrote a DOS driver to support more than 2 drives and I seem to recall some nasty problems with it. It's been several years so I don't remember the details but a glance back at the code shows I pulled it out. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 14:06:01 To: Mike Ruskai 13-Nov-99 14:06:01 Subj: Missing Window control.. MIKE RUSKAI wrote to WILL HONEA on 11-12-1999 MR> I haven't run into anything like what you describe, but since I'm MR> not entirely certain what you're asking, I can't say whether or not MR> the problem exists. I haven't had any programs have trouble seeing MR> directories which have had their contents changed, if that's close MR> to what you're getting at. MR> MR> I've also not used PRM for quite some time, due to a problem that MR> no other program experienced, which they couldn't duplicate, much MR> less fix. This got several programs. Basically, when IBM started to maintain the archive bit on directory entries programs that didn't properly account for the archive bit would not see directories where the archive bit was set. It wasn't an IBM error per se, just laziness and sloppy coding on the part of some programmers but the result was reasonably wide spread. It was enough of a nuisance that I ran a script every few days to reset all the archive bits on all directories since I could never tell what program would mess up next. FP 12 reverted to the early behavior. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 14:18:02 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 14:18:02 Subj: Clunker update Linda Proulx wrote to All on 11-13-1999 LP> Greetings, LP> LP> Got it installed on the clunker. LP> LP> Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, and won't read the DOS C LP> drive but has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install). LP> Lost my inport mouse & hung playing a game. And want to see the DOS LP> C. And it doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver. You're gonna hear this a lot: One visible primary partition per drive is visible (I told you so!). As for the printer, it will work as Epson Generic 9-pin, Epson MX80 9-pin, Epson Generic pass-thru, or even the IBM NULL printer. LP> But then it only has 6 MB & I admit I did not try to make the swap LP> file on the 3rd partition. And it has the old bios. LP> LP> Multiboot works fine, though. Sounds like your in business - despite what Unleashed says about the BIOS. You'll have to select the right driver for your brand of inport mouse in all likelihood. 6 meg will be slow, tortuously so with networking installed. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 14:39:03 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 14:39:03 Subj: Guess What Linda Proulx wrote to All on 11-12-1999 LP> Greetings Everyone, LP> LP> Guess what. Decided to install on the clunker. If it hadn't been LP> for a bad disk 6 would be doing the tutorial right now. LP> LP> Went through all the startable, installable, etc. Finally figured LP> it out. LP> LP> By the way, guys, OS/2 sees everything. Had no problem with the LP> partitions. The clunker is set up the same way as the Big One. I thought your earlier message said it couldn't see the DOS partition??? BootManager will see everything, so will FDISK. The usual meaning of 'seeing' a drive means that you can access data on the drive - can you do a DIR of the DOS drive now? LP> We will see how long the clunker works on Warp but it went LP> throught the install process until the bad disk. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 12-Nov-99 23:39:01 To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: Re: Missing Window control.. -=> On 11 Nov 99 21:10:04, Will Honea wrote to Mike Ruskai <=- MR> I am using FP10 right now, with no such problems (or any others). WH> Mike, was the screwed-up directory attribute in fp10 and 11 or was it WH> unique to 11? That's the one that made updated directories invisible WH> to some programs (like Post Road Mailer). The problem with the archive attribute being set on directories was not present in 10, introduced in 11, and fixed in 12. Scott (staying away from odd-numbered FP's) Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... A cheap dominatrix offers bargain debasement --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.32 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 13-Nov-99 00:11:26 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: Re: Win Program setup -=> On 11 Nov 99 16:05:37, Linda Proulx wrote to All <=- LP> Wanting feedback on setting up Win programs as a single session or as LP> seperate sessions. Personally, I prefer seperate WinOS/2 sessions for what few Win apps I still run (actually, my wife does, mostly WordPerfect and TurboTax). For example, if she's working on a client's tax forms in TT while doing up her bill to them in WP and one of them goes belly-up, it only takes out it's own Win session, leaving the other still standing. LP> Wondering what your experiences are. Can one have both set up? Thinking back now, I haven't run a Win app since I installed TurboTax for my wife back in January, but IIRC, yes, you can do both. Scott Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... Having another excellent OS/2 Warp day. --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.32 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 14-Nov-99 08:21:27 To: Ron Nicholls 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: Tutorial Hi Ron, RN> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this RN> weekend. RN> Just where is it kept ???? It depends if you have moved things around, left them at their default location, or if you left them out of the install. Assuming the default - For Warp 3, start looking in OS/2 Sysytem ==> Information ==> Tutorial. For Warp 4, start at WarpCentre ==> Information ==> Tutorial. Also try OS/2 System ==> Warpcentre ==> Information ==>Tutorial, and OS/2 System ==> Welcome I hope that helps...........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 10:36:25 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hello Linda, 09 Nov 99 17:40, Linda Proulx wrote to John Thompson: JT>> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only JT>> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to JT>> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the JT>> picture completely at that point. LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed LP> the minimum date is somewhere in 1990. I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition) publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ISBN 0-672-30545-3 I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell where I can find it in this book if it's in there. Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp 3" or in the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Sects! Sects! Is that all religious folks think about? --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 11:34:17 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: File Systems Hello Linda, 09 Nov 99 17:42, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ET>> Don't you have internet access? I do have internet access under ET>> OS/2. LP> Nope. No $ for it. While I haven't any US dollars here ;-), I have a (not expensive but paid) internet account. These days, you can get a free internet account (commercials are paying your account). There is so much (also for OS/2) on internet. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... 2.0 VirusScan. Windows 95 found: Remove it? (Y/n). --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 11:52:08 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: Mail reader Hello Linda, 09 Nov 99 20:24, Linda Proulx wrote to All: LP> Know about MultiMail but what other y2k Os2 readers are there? Golded/2 (free, I'm using it) textmode, fast, is very flexible and can be made to do anything, but that takes a lot of reading, learning and text file configurations of Golded Sqed/2 (free) GUI, I have it installed here and have used it a short while, after I installed Golded and still prefer Golded Timed (free) it can be made Y2000 proof (I saw files to do this coming by), fast but somewhat crude Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Windows 95 & Bill Wolff: No Brainpower Required & None Provided --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 12:05:18 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: Vmodem Hello Linda, 10 Nov 99 11:40, Linda Proulx wrote to All: LP> Been following the posts & hoped to catch up on what Vmodem was but LP> haven't been able to. Is it a protocol, etc, or something like a LP> fossil? no, vmodem is a virtual modem, a piece of software that provides the interface of a virtual comport, any application that communicates via a modem thinks it's a real modem and because vmodem is also a telnet client this makes it possible to use any telecommunication program to connect to a bbs on the internet that runs a telnet server (vmodem has also a telnet server). Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Windows the simple point & click system w/650 page manual --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 12:55:02 To: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru Hello Murray, 09 Nov 99 19:28, Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx: ML> As I remember the original, the topic being discussed was Boot ML> Manager. If all your bootable partitions are primary partitions on ML> the same drive, they all have the same partition letter (usually C: ML> on the first HD, since neither DOS nor Windows can boot from any ML> other partition). Drive letters are assigned at boot time by the booting operating system. The first primary partition will gets drive letter C: (regardless of which partition is booted) and all other primary partitions on the same disk with the recognized true partition type will get subsequent drive letters (in the order they are laid out on the harddisk). ML> As a consequence, none of the booted systems can see any other ML> bootable partition because you can have only one active C: drive on a ML> system at a time. This is not true. I know DOS can see them all because I've seen that on someone else' system with this setup. ML> With this exception, in general, OS/2 can see all primary partitions ML> and extended partitions, but may not be able to read them. I haven't tried OS/2 with this setup, so I don't know if OS/2 will run OK with this setup. I have no reason to believe OS/2 wouldn't run OK, but I don't know. Nor would I try. ML> OTOH, neither DOS nor Win95 can see partitions formatted HPFS, whether ML> primary or extended. This is not a valid reason not to use HPFS for ML> big partitions; perhaps it is a valid reason not to boot DOS nor Win95 ML> :-). DOS and any winxx version don't recognize and so can't use HPFS partitions, but not because they can't see them. :) ML> Do not ever, ever, ever, use Norton Utilities (or any other ML> DOS/Windows disk-fixer utility) on a partition (or drive) containing ML> OS/2 files, UNLESS you are really an expert on the OS/2 internal file ML> structures and know exactly what you are doing!!! You don't have to be an expert on the OS/2 internal file structures (do you mean HPFS structures here?), but one has to know exactly what he/she is doing when using a disk editor, including Disk Editor from the Norton Utilities. ML> At the worst, you will lose your desktop, which is mainly stored as ML> OS/2 Extended Attributes. If OS/2 is installed on a FAT partition. If OS/2 is installed on a HPFS partition, plain DOS can't access it because it doesn't know HPFS. ML> that one never use FAT partitions (of any size) containing more than ML> 500 files. On a FAT partition: if there are more than 500 files in the same directory and only when that directory is accessed. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... See the Future; See OS/2. Be the Future; Run OS/2. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 13:00:18 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: Confirmation Needed Hello Linda, 06 Nov 99 12:18, Linda Proulx wrote to Albert Sodyl: LP> Still stuff to do in pre setup. After all don't want to reinstall. my strong advice: install bootmanager and install OS/2 on a HPFS partition, use the advanced install for this! :) This OS/2 boot HPFS partition can be a primary or a logical partition, a logical boot partition is more flexible because it can access also the primary partitions on the same harddisk without tricks. I don't know how fdisk will behave with your primary partitions because of how they are setup. I still see no reason why 'your' guru has your primary partitions setup the way they are. In any way, you should only use OS/2 fdisk because that works with a nice interface and you don't have to punch those stupid numbers like in the DOS fdisk. Also, DOS fdisk is very limited how it can handle partitions: DOS fdisk can't see partitions what DOS can't see (on big harddisks), DOS and DOS fdisk rely on the BIOS (SCSI BIOS for SCSI harddisks and the mainboard BIOS for MFM/IDE harddisks) possibly resulting (not necessarily but possible) in translation harddisk geometry problems if this happens it can/will screw up the partitions big time, and DOS and DOS fdisk can't see the whole harddisk if it's a big harddisk, IIRC some DOS fdisk versions won't let you create multiple primary partitions but I'm not sure about this (it's too long ago I used DOS fdisk). DOS fdisk can't also handle HPFS partitions. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... OS/2: Windows done RIGHT! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 13:10:17 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: FTP & Telnet Hello Linda, 09 Nov 99 20:05, Linda Proulx wrote to All: LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If not what LP> kind of programs would I need? Netscape can FTP but not telnet. OS/2 Warp comes with a telnet client in the bonuspack. Netscape is a pig, and I think it would run less or more jerky on a slow system (especially with less than 16 MB RAM). There are many other programs that do FTP or telnet: FTP: various programs, including some mirror programs (like wget, which is I'm using, I've written batch .cmd files and REXX files to run wget automatically when a connection to internet is made, wget is free) telnet client: ZOC (telecommunications program), vmodem (part of the SIO package, SIO is a high performance replacement to the standard OS/2 COM drivers, is higly recommended and is shareware). I'm curius, why bother with FTP and telnet if you don't have internet access? Or do you plan to have internet access? FTP and telnet were originally written for Unix to connect and/or retrieve information and/or files from other Unix systems connected in a network. Because internet is a big worldwide network, FTP and telnet will work via internet. Only if you are connected to internet you can use FTP and/or telnet (or use the local loop, but if it's only for yourself then that's most of the time not usefull). FTP = File Transport Protocol telnet looks like an contraction to telenetwork, but I'm just guessing this and I don't know this. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Warp 4 Scotty, and close those damned Windows! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 13:24:15 To: Andy Roberts 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru Hello Andy, 10 Nov 99 11:49, Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx: AR> An advantage of having many users say essentially the same thing is AR> that it comes out in different words, which delivers different views on the subject, meaning different angles on how to look at the subject, different angles of view doesn't mean they disagree with other views or contradict each other, and learn more in the process. so many users, so many views. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Boost system speed by 200% - DEL C:\WINDOWS\*.* --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 13:25:03 To: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: An Inquiring Mind Hello Holger, 10 Nov 99 20:42, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ET>> ZOC has its own telnet client, it doesn't need Vmodem. I don't know ET>> if ZOC has also a telnet server, if not and you want to run a ET>> telnet server, vmodem is also a telnet server. HG> Thanks for the info. That's what was buried deep down in the grey HG> cells. Yesterday I checked my filed docs but found very little on ZOC. HG> Mostly evolution history. what about its file_id.diz file (it mentions telnet on the 1st line): ZOC 3.12 - 32bit Modem, Telnet/SSH and ISDN comm. application for OS/2 and Windows 95/98/NT. Outstanding GUI, solid VT220 and Zmodem, count- less options and features including CIS-B, Kermit, online JPG/GIF viewer, REXX scripting. Not crippled (just a registration reminder after file transfer). Filenames: ZOC*.ZIP=OS/2 Version, ZOW*.ZIP=Win-95/98/NT-Version Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... "Brace for impact", Picard said parenthetically. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 17:37:16 To: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: Installation problem Hello Murray, 11 Nov 99 06:28, Murray Lesser wrote to Mike Ruskai: ML> HPFS to FAT, preserving the long name. I was merely telling Eddy ML> Thilleman how to do it, in response to his posted query. That was a reply to someone else who asked about it, I am not bothered with it, nor could I care about it. Please at least _read_ the messages you are replying to. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Don't Marry Microsoft -- Engage Warp --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 12-Nov-99 17:37:22 To: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 20:13:20 Subj: File Systems Hello Holger, 10 Nov 99 20:42, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ET>> Don't you have internet access? I do have internet access under ET>> OS/2. HG> She hasn't even installed OS/2 yet! I didn't ask if she had internet access under OS/2! I only asked if she had internet access. I said _I_ have internet access under OS/2! It looks like good reading is not the most used skill. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Windows95 multitasks! You can have both the monitor AND printer on --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 14-Nov-99 08:42:12 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: Installation problem Hi Linda, LP> I just read somthing that said the installer may have to LP> delete or rename autoexec.bak files. Is that there? Check LP> for the backups of autoexec/config files. JS> Autoexec.bat is a DOS file, not an OS/2 file. JS> OS/2 does not create an JS> automatic executable file on install. If one is JS> needed later, it uses JS> it's own auto executable called STARTUP.CMD. LP> True. But according to 'Unleashed' if there is a .bak or config LP> backup dos file, it can stop the original install. That's what it says. Now this drags up old memories... If I remember correctly - the VERY FIRST release of OS/2 Warp 3 (non-connect) RED BOX, came out with an install bug if there was a DOS CONFIG.SYS and CONFIG.BAK on drive C:, and you were installing to a DUAL BOOT system on a FAT drive. This was found and fixed BEFORE the release of Warp 3, and about 2 days into first diskette production run and only affected a very small number of packages. I have not heard of anyone ever running into a set of these disks, however it was very easy to fix this problem. Warp 3 Connect and BLUE spine boxes did not have this problem, they were released later. Cheers.........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 14-Nov-99 09:48:25 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Clunker update Hi Linda, LP> Got it installed on the clunker. See... the earth isn't falling.......;-) LP> Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, First, to make sure we are all talking the same language, what version of OS/2 are you installing, EG: Warp 3 Connect RED spine... Ok, some questions before we start on this - - In what way "it wont do" DOS (we need some more details)? - Do you have a "DOS Window" Icon in the COMMAND PROMPTS folder? - What happens when you double click/select & ENTER it? - What is the size of the partition that OS/2 installed to? - Is it FAT or HPFS? - How much FREE disk space does it have? - If you are really game, try posting the contents of your CONFIG.SYS here so we can see what your installation looks like, it may provide some very useful clues for any issues you have. JP> and won't read the DOS C drive If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not surprising. LP> but has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install). This is the "protective" mode of OS/2, it only tries to work with what it knows or the user confirms can be done, it does not try and mussle its way in unlike some other OS's. LP> Lost my inport mouse It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into System Setup ==> Selective Install and manually configure the type of mouse. I had the same problem here with a Logitec BUS mouse, it did not autodetect, but I was able to manually configure it from a list of possible types of mouse that it could not detect it and it worked great. LP> & hung playing a game. What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not respond to keystrokes immediately has not "hung", it could be running fine, its just the user keyboard interface is being locked by a badly behaving application. The WORST thing to do at this time is to pound the keyboard! All that does is fill up the keyboard buffer. While it is not impossible to "hang" OS/2 from a DOS session, OS/2 often manages to grab control back from something that tries to take liberties with the system, but this can take _T_I_M_E_ and a response is not always immediate. Also try CTRL-ESC and ALT-ESC, but after pressing either of these WAIT for 20 seconds for a response. A later fixpak for Warp 3 added a facilty to better manage what is called "Single Input Queue" lockups. While not essential, it became a standard feature in Warp 4. There are many special DOS Settings that can be used to try and "tame" a rampant DOS application, the default settings are normally ok to get things working, however I normally modify either the standard "DOS Window" settings to add specific settings I want or create a new Icon and use that Icon as the mould for all subsequent DOS sessions that I need. LP> And want to see the DOS C. I suspect your partitions are configured in a manner that will not allow this under OS/2. I am picking that if you really do have multiple primary partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek without a paddle, however some of the other folks here may be able to provide a few tricks to resolve this. LP> And it doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver. While not specifically for the FX-80, there is another Epson printer which is almost identical to the FX-80 that is there, but I can't remember which one it is. Its been MANY years since I used a Dot Matrix. Start with the "Epson Generic 9 pin" driver for the FX-80 and checkout the other Epson printers, the FX-80 was rebadged under another name for other parts of the world. If you do not have a printer object, go into System setup ==> Selective install, and check out the list of Epson printers, and am sure you willfind one that will work, dot matrix printers generally have a generic mode of operating so something should work fine. LP> But then it only has 6 MB That should have no affect on the issues you have seen. It will inhibit some things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)). LP> & I admit I did not try to make the swap file on the 3rd partition. Provided the OS/2 install partition has enough space to expand the swap file to whatever size it needs, this should not cause any of these problems. Moving the swap file for performance reasons should be a minor issue... TIP: If you change the location of the SWAP file, make sure that after re-booting using the NEW loaction, you DELETE the OLD swap file to regain the disk space it used! LP> And it has the old bios. And that is TOTALLY out of the picture now that OS/2 has booted. Forget it! LP> Multiboot works fine, though. At least thats ONE positive sign......;-) I hope some of this helps........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 09:59:29 To: Larry Snider 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Greetings and Salutations, -=> Larry Snider wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years. isn't he the author of X00 ? Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 10:01:00 To: Albert Sodyl 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Greetings and Salutations, -=> Albert Sodyl wrote to LINDA PROULX <=- AS> Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest version of AS> ZOC and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better in my opinion. Is it Y2Ked? Wonder what the newest version is. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 10:04:07 To: James Mckenzie 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Greetings and Salutations, -=> James Mckenzie wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP> Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number? JM> Should be Y2K compliant. The latest version is 3.12 here. I don't use JM> the program and cannot due to the authors "anti-combat" clause. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^?????? This sounds very interesting.^.^ Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:16:16 To: All 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: file /query Hello! Did the fdisk /query. Here is what it said. DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 **BIOS: 504MB Does this answer anything? Linda Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:19:24 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: Get an OS/2 guru Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Murray Lesser <=- JdP> type 0X primary partitions. (The output of PARTLIST, which I am hoping Have a post. JdP> I'm hoping that Linda's guru will explain the answer to "Why?". he is planning a post, just can't do it immediately. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:23:25 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Linda Proulx <=- JdP> What other "weaknesses" did he have in mind ? Like I said. I forgot. His post is being planned. Honest. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:37:29 To: John Thompson 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: Win9XX Question Greetings and Salutations, -=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=- JT> If you haven't read Judge Jackson's "Findings of Fact" in the MS Not available. Just get what's on the news. JT> the PC software market and thereby maintain their monopoly JT> position. Of course. they've always been heavy handed. Just ask the folks who developed Geoworks. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:41:18 To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: Red & Blue Greetings and Salutations, -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=- WH> Easy ones tonite. No, partly because the source files are compressed, I guess it is considering what I started. LP> Also, is there an OS/2 driver for a parallel to SCSI adapter. WH> Not to the best of my knowlege. That's too bad. I was hoping. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:48:18 To: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers Greetings and Salutations, -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=- WH> No, more of a combination of fat fingers, fat heads, and users who WH> think manuals are devices to increase the height of their chairs. To be somewhat fair manuals are not an easy read. Took me a year of using DOS to understand what the manual was telling me. And you wouldn't believe what I did with my first spreadsheet program after using the manual. Also had a client who read the manual so well she formated her C: drive. But I do agree with the concept of look first ask later. WH> Couple that with type-A managers and they send me in figuring at my age WH> I can get by with the curmudgeon act without risking their own WH> 'ca-rears'. There are advantages to being part of an archane department..... Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:51:22 To: Albert Sodyl 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. Greetings and Salutations, -=> Albert Sodyl wrote to DAITENGU <=- AS> I know I do, but I'm not exactly rich. I could hardly afford this 486 AS> a while back... much better compared to my last 286. I'd rather buy AS> something local, I don't like used stuff :( I actually saw a red spine in a used stuff type store. But post a wanted in the for sale area on your local board & you never know what will happen. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 11:53:20 To: John Thompson 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: Network Greetings and Salutations, -=> John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx <=- JT> Do you see the "SYS2025" or "SYS2027" errors when you boot from JT> the install diskettes or try to install? Check out the newer posting(s) Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 12:12:00 To: Andy Roberts 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP> I remember overhearing a word processing student wondering why in LP> the H she had to learn about directories, subdirectories & basic LP> DOS. All she wants to know is how to use the wordprocessing LP> program. Sigh. AR> almost that long. To this day she doesn't have the slightest idea what AR> a subdirectory, file extension, or command line is. I have setup all But remember that folk had to know where to save their data once upon a time. Trainers can not guarantee that the 'home' computer was as automated. AR> I love her in spite of or maybe even because of her lack of technical AR> awareness. Somehow I knew that she was not inclined to things mechanical. But it would be really dull if everyone was the same, wouldn't it. Have a friend like that. Setup her windows to do her stuff. AR> close it again, without her ever pressing any button. This X-10 system AR> has a fairly high level of AI due to extensive If-Then-Else AR> programming. It has it's own monitor which is dark most of the time, This sounds like it was a lot of fun to set up. Would love to see how your house is wired. AR> should be long gone. Now if the motion detectors thinks there is an AR> intruder, the lights and some other stuff start to do some rather Isn't it sad thought that this is neccessary. AR> at least it didn't turn on the sprinklers, so my wife was not all wet AR> when she finally did get in. But she was steaming! And wouldn't you AR> know it, the computer didn't even say it was sorry. Now, not the computers fault..... Anon, Linda ... I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 12:14:09 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea <=- JdP> You, I, and Andy have all asked, as predicted, "Why?". It's coming. Honest. JdP> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from the See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried. Anon, Linda ... I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 12:52:01 To: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 20:30:14 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP>How about a 10 year old? ML> The longest that I have had a hardware system live is almost 12 ML> years between birth and death. And it was a top-of-the-line system Ah! So was mine. I had to insure it for $15,000 whan it walked into the house (that of course included the software). ML> I read somewhere (I think it was "Science" magazine, but I am not ML> sure) that CMOS circuits slowly deteriorate with usage, and most ML> desktop computers have a 10-year design life. So have an escape path Now that is interesting. ML> set up for when your ancient machine gives you the "replace system ML> unit" warning during POST and refuses to boot :-(. I was working on trying to be able to add some stuff to the 386 when it finally hit me in the face that that was an exercise in futility. Which is why I now have this P unit. (which will take me forever to pay for) ML> Are you really sure that you need Boot Manager and more than one ML> primary partition? If the only reason you want to boot real DOS is to The administrator in me wants me to keep my options open until everything comes together. And I think it will take a while for that to happen. Also considering future hardware I may have haved to have win95 ML> play some DOS games that violate the OS/2 system-integrity rules, Not a gamer other than hearts or solitare.. ML> OS/2. I suggest that you try this before allowing DOS a permanent ML> berth, with all the grief that entails. If it works, it would be a ML> much better solution than being forced to live with 1 GB FAT ML> partitions!! Working on that. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 13-Nov-99 19:30:00 To: Eddy Thilleman 13-Nov-99 19:30:00 Subj: AMI BIOS date Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx on 11-12-1999 ET> LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed ET> LP> the minimum date is somewhere in 1990. ET> ET> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd ET> edition) publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ISBN 0-672-30545-3 ET> ET> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS ET> must have a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this ET> book. Please tell where I can find it in this book if it's ET> in there. In all fairness, there was a significant problem with the AMD (not AMI) BIOS on their keyboard controller chips back in the 2.0/2.1 days. Prior to something like rev F were problems. Also, early versions of the Phoenix BIOS as well as certain levels of the AWARD BIOS set were noted in readme's and install instructions (as well as here) as being problems. All this was pre-Warp, tho, as best as I can recall. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 14-Nov-99 02:04:01 To: Linda Proulx 14-Nov-99 02:04:01 Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea on 11-13-1999 LP> To be somewhat fair manuals are not an easy read. Took me a year LP> of using DOS to understand what the manual was telling me. And you LP> wouldn't believe what I did with my first spreadsheet program after LP> using the manual. Also had a client who read the manual so well she LP> formated her C: drive. LP> LP> But I do agree with the concept of look first ask later. Ah, Linda. I built my first microprocessor based system with a then-new Intel 4004 processor. I maintain two rather sizable files that I call my YGBSM files to document the amazing things I've come across over the years. One is for what users have tried to do with computers, the other is for the simply astounding crap I find in supposedly professional code. CD is built, will try and get it on the pony Monday. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 13-Nov-99 20:08:00 To: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 20:08:00 Subj: Get Going (Excerpts from a message dated 11-11-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Linda Proulx): LP> You'll have to ask him. if you really want to know I can give you his LP> email address. I knew. It has something to do about the weaknesses LP> inherent in logical partitions vs primarys. But I can't remember LP> right at the moment. JP>It seems that several people are asking "Why?". Hand-editing the >partition table into a non-standard form using Norton Utilities >isn't necessary at all for the sort of setup that you appear to be >wanting (DOS, OS/2, and possibly DOS-Windows 9x on a single drive). JP>The standard configuration, which many people have been using for >many years (and which I have even used myself in the early 1990s), >is to have: Boot Manager, a single primary partition holding DOS, >and OS/2 Warp in a logical drive in an extended partition. If one >wants DOS-Windows 9x later, one installs it on the single primary >partition alongside DOS, since that is the way that it will *try* to >install itself, using the standard Microsoft mechanism of playing >musical chairs with the config files on that partition once one has >booted from it. Back in the old days from 1988 - 1992, many of my friends who worked at IBM Research were telling me that I should drop DOS (PC-DOS, not MS-DOS, since I had IBM-built computers) in favor of OS/2 (v 1.x). I resisted because I took great pride in understanding the underlying hardware interfaces, so used direct assembly-language calls in my programming to reach that hardware instead of using the legitimate DOS "API" calls. I didn't want to lose my "guru" status by going to an operating system that prevented me from using such nonsense :-). When I finally switched to OS/2 v 2.0 (in March, 1993), I discovered that the only DOS programs I had that wouldn't run under OS/2 were the ones that I had written using those "pedal to the metal" constructs. So, I rewrote those DOS programs to get rid of that nonsense, and all work fine today under Warp 4 FixPak 5. I am no longer a hardware guru, but I am certainly better off. There is a moral in this, somewhere :-). Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * You can lead a user to Docs, but you can't make 'em read. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 14-Nov-99 10:50:00 To: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 10:50:00 Subj: AMI BIOS date (Excerpts from a message dated 11-12-99, Eddy Thilleman to Linda Proulx) Hi Eddy-- PMFJI. I believe that I have quoted you correctly, this time :-). ET>09 Nov 99 17:40, Linda Proulx wrote to John Thompson: JT>> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only JT>> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to JT>> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the JT>> picture completely at that point. LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed LP> the minimum date is somewhere in 1990. ET>I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition) >publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ISBN 0-672-30545-3 ET>I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have >a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell >where I can find it in this book if it's in there. I have a suspicion that Linda has the original edition of "OS/2 Unleashed" rather than the later "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" (especially since she has never given the latter book title in any of her posts!). IIRC, the prohibition against early AMI (and some other) BIOSes was never mentioned in the documentation for Warp 3 (and later). The following is an edited excerpt (via clipboard) from Appendix G of the OS/2 2.1 "Installation Guide" as it appears on the 1993 CD-ROM edition of the "OS/2 Online Book Collection": ..... G.2 AMI BIOS The later BIOS versions from American Megatrends, Inc. (AMI) provide a screen ID code, which is visible at the lower-left corner of the screen during the initial random-access-memory (RAM) count... On an AMI BIOS or AMI BIOS Plus, the message will be in the form: aaaa-bbbb-mmddyy-Kc On an AMI HI-Flex BIOS, the message will be in the form: ee-ffff-bbbbbb-gggggggg-mmddyy-hhhhhhhh-c 1. If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should be 040990 or later for use with any operating system, including DOS. This is because of the special timing requirements of IDE drives, which were accommodated on the date noted. ..... Since I cnnot find this information in the reference material I have for any later versions of OS/2, I cam make one of two assumptions: 1). The restriction is no longer in existence for later versions of OS/2; or 2) By the time later versions of OS/2 came out, the people compiling the documentation had forgotten that there were any old machines still in use. You pays your money and takes your choice! However, I see by later posts that Linda has taken John's advice to ignore it, which seems to have worked out OK. One of the troubles with third-party textbooks is that the authors tend to believe what they read in the official documentation without trying it first, especially when the book comes out too early after the software GA release for any serious testing to have taken place. The "Unleashed" authors were pretty conscientious in this regard, but even they had occasional lapses. Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Watching for speed bumps on the Information Highwy --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 14-Nov-99 15:17:01 To: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 15:17:01 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru (Excerpts from a message dated 11-12-99, Eddy Thilleman to Murray Lesser) Hi Eddy-- ET>Drive letters are assigned at boot time by the booting operating >system. The first primary partition will gets drive letter C: >(regardless of which partition is booted) and all other primary >partitions on the same disk with the recognized true partition type >will get subsequent drive letters (in the order they are laid out on >the harddisk). Almost every other OS/2 user agrees that your above assertion is not true under boot manager (all the bootable primary partitions on the first hard drive that boot manager knows about, except the one it is in, will have the drive letter C:. Also, if you have one primary partition on the first hard drive, with or without boot manager installed, and a primary partition on the second hard drive, the primary partition on the second hard drive will be assigned the drive letter D: by any operating system that I have used. That is why I have only one primary portion on my wife's OS/2 system, which has two hard drives installed. ML> As a consequence, none of the booted systems can see any other ML> bootable partition because you can have only one active C: drive on a ML> system at a time. ET>This is not true. I know DOS can see them all because I've seen that >on someone else' system with this setup. See a recent post from JdeBP to me for an explanation of how this may be done. I assume that he agrees with me that it is very poor practice to play this game. In any case, "someone else" was not running OS/2 Boot Manager :-). According to a post to Linda from John Thompson, recent versions of Windows can also see all primary partitions. (He doesn't know whether this is "a good thing," either.) But there goes Microsoft again, making up its own rules as it goes along :-). ML> With this exception, in general, OS/2 can see all primary partitions ML> and extended partitions, but may not be able to read them. On more mature thought, I believe that the above statement is incorrect. As noted in other posts (not from me), there are several other exceptions to the "see all primary partitions" assertion. ML> OTOH, neither DOS nor Win95 can see partitions formatted HPFS, whether ML> primary or extended. This is not a valid reason not to use HPFS for ML> big partitions; perhaps it is a valid reason not to boot DOS nor Win95 ML> :-). ET>DOS and any winxx version don't recognize and so can't use HPFS >partitions, but not because they can't see them. :) They don't assign drive letters to them, either! Can you tell me the practical difference between "don't recognize" and "can't see?" ML> that one never use FAT partitions (of any size) containing more than ML> 500 files. ET>On a FAT partition: if there are more than 500 files in the same >directory and only when that directory is accessed. According to the IBM white paper I mentioned in the message to Linda that you replied to, it was 500 files in a FAT _partition_, and 5000 files in an HPFS _directory_. If you are interested in reading the paper for yourself, the file is WARPPERF.ASC and is available to guests for download from the DevCon Web site, as well as being on all recent DevCon CD-ROMs. If you don't want to look it up for yourself, here is the relevant excerpt: FAT is best suited for disk partitions that are 80 MB or less in size _or_ that have a limited number of files installed. Usually, 256 files is a good target, with up to 500 acceptable. [emphasis added] To quote from another message from you to me in the same packet: ET> Please at least _read_ the messages you are replying to. :) Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Nothing is so uncommon as common sense --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 11-Nov-99 07:47:25 To: Roy J. Tellason 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Win9XX Question Hi Roy, On 07-Nov-99, Roy J. Tellason wrote to MIKE RUSKAI: RJT> MIKE RUSKAI wrote in a message to LINDA PROULX: MR>> Win95 is basically Win 3.x, with the only primary difference that MR>> you can install the bulk of its data on a drive other than C:. RJT> Oh really? That "everything on drive c:" stuff sure seems to be RJT> built into a lot of what's out there, both applications and the RJT> OS.. And into the magazine advice pages. In a recent UK magazine someone asked about splitting their Win 98 8.4 Gig HD into two partitions. The basic advice was "don't do it", but if you must it'll be lots of hassle and require reinstallation of all the software as it'll require deleting the partition and starting over. They did give instructions, including the advice to back stuff up. Their preferred option was a second HD. Ignorant authors (they also operate under the smartass names of "Ivan Iwannado" and "Nigel Knowitall"), Partition magic will do it without loss of data... MR>> It does, however, still require drive C: to boot from (even MR>> Windows NT does). So, to install Win95 (or WinNT), you'll need MR>> to give up DOS, since it'll overwrite it when installing. Actually NT can be installed to allow access to DOS on the same partition if installed over an existing DOS setup - although I wouldn't recommend it. MR>> The only way to avoid that is to use a third-party program like MR>> System Commander, which does a juggling act with the boot files MR>> of the operating systems it supports. It allows you to install MR>> any number of OS's on the same partition, and choose which to MR>> boot at startup. RJT> Or set up separate dos and w9x partitions, that don't "see" each RJT> other... The best way in my opinion. MR>> ... Are there any lawyers here? Any more? RJT> :-) Too. My sister collects lawer jokes... George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 11-Nov-99 16:49:19 To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: Network Hi Peter, On 06-Nov-99, Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx: GW>> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated? LP>> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6 LP>> months too old. And I don't think Warp would change that. PK> I have never seen any statement that suggests "Your BIOS must be PK> dated after xxx to load/run OS/2", so I will repeat the above PK> question - What date is your BIOS I've just dug out the Warp Connect V3 (Red) Users Guide. Starting on page 300 there is a section on AMI BIOS. Page 301, General Rules: "If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should be 040990 or later for use with any operating system, including DOS. Special timing requirements of IDE drives were accomodated on the date noted. If you use any other drive type, such as MFM, RLL, EDSI, or SCSI, the OS/2 operating system might install and operate correctly if mmddyy is 092588 or later, provided that the Keyboard Comtroller revision level is suitable for the OS/2 version being used."... The next paragraph states that Keyboard Controller revision level F is "expected" to provide correct operation for OS/2 Warp, and gives older revisions for OS/2 1.x versions. PK> OS/2 1.x used to load on 286 machines manufactured in 1988, and I PK> have loaded Warp 3 on machines with a BIOS dated 1990, and I am PK> not aware of any specific BIOS date restrictions in this respect. PK> There were (and still are) some documented issues relating to PK> known problems on some vendors equipment, but these were NOT PK> general date related installation issues............pk As noted in the quotes above, AMI BIOSs do have specific BIOS release date related issues. George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 11-Nov-99 17:02:04 To: Roy J. Tellason 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Network Hi Roy, On 07-Nov-99, Roy J. Tellason wrote to Linda Proulx: GW>> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated? LP>> It's an AMI 386 dated 04/30/89. LP>> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6 LP>> months too old. And I don't think Warp would change that. LP>> The AMI bios had to be after a certain date & this bios date was LP>> not. At least that was the info given to the User Group. RJT> The only problem you're likely to run into with this is that it RJT> won't have direct support built into the BIOS for newer, larger RJT> drives. That usually takes the form of more choices in drive RJT> mappings, particularly LBA. As long as you can set up a RJT> smallish partition to _boot_ from, then once OS/2 boots it takes RJT> control of things and the BIOS is out of the picture According to the OS/2 User Guide, page 300 et sequa, with AMI BIOSs there are IDE timing problems with BIOSs before 040990 which affect all OSs. See my post to Peter Knapper for quotes. RJT> The only constraint is that the boot partition needs to be within RJT> the first 1023 cylinders on the disk Always a problem in those days... George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 11-Nov-99 17:05:18 To: Holger Granholm 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: Network Hi Holger, On 08-Nov-99, Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx: HG> LP>The AMI bios had to be after a certain date & this bios date HG> was LP>not. At least that was the info given to the User Group. HG> Stareting on page 317 in the manual you get the low-down for AMI HG> BIOS. Or page 300, depending on manual edition :-) However Linda's BIOS _is_ before the specified date :-(. George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 11-Nov-99 17:07:12 To: John Thompson 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Network Hi John, On 08-Nov-99, John Thompson wrote to Linda Proulx: JT> In a message to George White, Linda Proulx wrote re: Network GW>> ???? What do you mean "The BIOS is too old"? When is it dated? LP>> When OS/2 came out it gave the minimum bios date & mine was 6 LP>> months too old. And I don't think Warp would change that. JT> ??? It won't :-( JT> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only JT> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to JT> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the JT> picture completely at that point. IBM _do_ document specific requirements for AMI BIOSs. See post to Peter Knapper. JT> In any case, how old is your BIOS? This machine has an AMI BIOS JT> dated 11/11/92 and it works just fine with Warp. Nor can I find JT> any mention in my Warp documentation of any restrictions due to JT> BIOS date. That is _well_ after the specified date of 040990. Page 300 in the User guide, red, First Edition dated October 94... George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jeffrey J. Counsil 13-Nov-99 18:36:24 To: Garth Ramsay 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: M$ "screw you" FAT32 On Stardate 01 Nov 99 19:10:25, Garth Ramsay Communicated the Following To Dave Davidson, Regarding M$ "screw you" FAT32... GR> 31-Oct-99 14:46:41, Dave Davidson wrote to Ian Moote GR> Subject: M$ "screw you" FAT32 GR> GR> GR> GR> DD> Well, maybe.... The machine I'm attempting to install OS/2 on is GR> DD> an AMD K6/2-350, PC-100 MB, Award PnP Bios (with the latest flash GR> GR> Dave... GR> GR> Friends don't let friends use AMD K6/2's.... GR> GR> HA HA, HA HA HA, HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! GR> GR> OOP's.... GR> GR> Did I say that out loud????? They work just great here.... Both a 350MHz and a 400MHz.... --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Way Out There!...The StarPort 1-717-753-8120 (1:268/402) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 14-Nov-99 13:57:07 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Hi Linda, LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years. LP> isn't he the author of X00 ? Yep. thats the one.......;-) --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rich Wonneberger 13-Nov-99 08:59:11 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet *** Quoting Linda Proulx to David Randall dated 11-12-99 *** > SIO means? Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number? How does > one > use a Front Door without being a BBS? Linda, SIO is a communication driver to -replace- IBM's driver. SIO works better. Havent used ZOC in a few years. For me it was an over kill. You can have FD2 running as a mail/file request system w/o running a BBS. Theres an setting for NO BBS in it. Before I joined Fido, I picked a node number in it for a BBS in my area and used it just to get files. Probably not approved, but I didnt do anything destructive so what the hill.. :} FD can also be used to receive faxes if you have a fax modem & a program like BGFAX. Rich I-Net turtil@frontiernet.net ... ...ooops!...Got my floppy caught in my PKZipper... --- * Origin: Turtil's Pond BBS. Monroe NY 914 783-2106 (1:2625/50) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Buckingham 13-Nov-99 05:22:12 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error Hi, I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7. Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how to remedy this error? Stu/2 --- BBBS/2 v3.50 Flag-A * Origin: The Chili Channel * OS/2 - Java - Linux * chilies.com * (6:751/222) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Buckingham 13-Nov-99 05:36:19 To: Murray Lesser 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: FixPak Follies Hi Murray, >> My advice now would be to get to the current version of OS/2. >> I second that advice. FP12 serves me as well as it does RH. > Nonsense! Even assuming that FixPak 12 is bug free (which I doubt), > there is no value to me in applying a FixPak to a system that isn't > broken (as far as my usage is concerned) unless it adds new function > that I would find to be useful (which none since Warp 4 FixPak 5 have > done). You and RH may get pleasure from being able to brag that you are > operating at the highest Warp level. But I spent too many years being > paid to live on computing's bleeding edge to do it for fun. AFAIAC, the > tagline is still valid. My memory may be failing, but I thought it was FP6 which made Warp4 Y2K compliant. (However, it may have been FP5... in which case you are alright). I think this may have been the concern of some of the mail you have received. Other than that, I'm a firm believer in the old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (I've done it too many times myself). Stu/2 --- BBBS/2 v3.50 Flag-A * Origin: The Chili Channel * OS/2 - Java - Linux * chilies.com * (6:751/222) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 19:25:10 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Install Greetings, Well got the Os2 dos to load & got the windows programs to load. But boy does it ever hang. Had the tutorial running, & stalled in third page. Can't open too much. Could be the bios. Could be not enough hard drive space. @250 Mb on the HPFS drive & @ 200 Mb on d with fat 16 Here's the config.sys ---------------- IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C PROTSHELL=C:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE SET USER_INI=C:\OS2\OS2.INI SET SYSTEM_INI=C:\OS2\OS2SYS.INI SET OS2_SHELL=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE SET AUTOSTART=PROGRAMS,TASKLIST,FOLDERS,CONNECTIONS,LAUNCHPAD SET RUNWORKPLACE=C:\OS2\PMSHELL.EXE SET COMSPEC=C:\OS2\CMD.EXE LIBPATH=.;C:\OS2\DLL;C:\OS2\MDOS;C:\;C:\OS2\APPS\DLL;C:\MMOS2\DLL;C:\IBMWORKS SET PATH=C:\OS2;C:\OS2\SYSTEM;C:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;C:\OS2\INSTALL;C:\;C:\OS2\MDOS SET DPATH=C:\OS2;C:\OS2\SYSTEM;C:\OS2\MDOS\WINOS2;C:\OS2\INSTALL;C:\;C:\OS2\BIT SET PROMPT=$i[$p] SET HELP=C:\OS2\HELP;C:\OS2\HELP\TUTORIAL;C:\MMOS2\HELP;C:\IBMWORKS SET GLOSSARY=C:\OS2\HELP\GLOSS; SET IPF_KEYS=SBCS PRIORITY_DISK_IO=YES FILES=20 BASEDEV=IBMKBD.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\TESTCFG.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\DOS.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\PMDD.SYS BUFFERS=90 IOPL=YES DISKCACHE=D,LW MAXWAIT=3 MEMMAN=SWAP,PROTECT SWAPPATH=d:\ 4096 10240 BREAK=OFF THREADS=256 PRINTMONBUFSIZE=134,134,134 COUNTRY=001,C:\OS2\SYSTEM\COUNTRY.SYS SET KEYS=ON SET BOOKSHELF=C:\OS2\BOOK;C:\MMOS2; SET SOMIR=C:\OS2\ETC\SOM.IR;C:\OS2\ETC\WPSH.IR;C:\OS2\ETC\WPDSERV.IR SET SOMDDIR=C:\OS2\ETC\DSOM REM SET DELDIR=C:\DELETE,512;D:\DELETE,512; BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS BASEDEV=IBM1FLPY.ADD BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD SET EPMPATH=C:\OS2\APPS; PROTECTONLY=NO SHELL=C:\OS2\MDOS\COMMAND.COM C:\OS2\MDOS FCBS=16,8 RMSIZE=640 DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VEMM.SYS DOS=LOW,NOUMB DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VXMS.SYS /UMB DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VDPMI.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VDPX.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VWIN.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VW32S.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VMOUSE.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\POINTDD.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\MOUSE.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\COM.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VCOM.SYS CODEPAGE=437,850 DEVINFO=KBD,US,C:\OS2\KEYBOARD.DCP DEVINFO=SCR,VGA,C:\OS2\BOOT\VIOTBL.DCP SET VIDEO_DEVICES=VIO_VGA SET VIO_VGA=DEVICE(BVHVGA) DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VVGA.SYS SET IBMWORKS_INI=C:\IBMWORKS DEVICE=C:\OS2\APPS\SYSIOS2.SYS REM FaxFaxFaxFaxFax -- Please do not modify this group of lines IOPL=FxPrint DEVICE=C:\FaxWorks\Fmd.sys L REM FaxFaxFaxFaxFax -- FaxWorks for OS/2 ----------- Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general data directory for all the program. But then haven't had a chance to do a lot of playing yet. Still iffy on the fdisk meanings though. Anon, Linda Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 19:33:13 To: David Randall 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Greetings and Salutations, -=> David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx <=- DR> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can choose DR> to use either or both. But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS? Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 19:35:28 To: Scott Jones 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: Win Program setup Greetings and Salutations, -=> Scott Jones wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP> Wondering what your experiences are. Can one have both set up? SJ> Thinking back now, I haven't run a Win app since I installed TurboTax SJ> for my wife back in January, but IIRC, yes, you can do both. How is it done? Are the programs set for single session but others set for same session? Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 13-Nov-99 20:27:00 To: Larry Snider 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: DAT In a message to Francois Thunus, Larry Snider wrote re: DAT LS> SCSI tape support is the only type of tape support that tar supports under LS> OS/2. I assume that it's that way on all OS's. No. I have an HP-Colorado IDE tape drive on my linux machine that works fine with tar in linux. I haven't tried it with OS/2 though. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 22:11:26 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: SETUP Greetings and Salutations, Have an install question. (I know your thinking here we go again ) I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other stuff on another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work around to do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to wait until after I do all the jury rig? Would love to do it during the original install & didn't see anything on the advance install. Anon, Linda Anon, Linda ... A cheap dominatrix offers bargain debasement --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 22:38:12 To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: AMI BIOS date Greetings and Salutations, -=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=- ET> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition) ET> publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ET> ISBN 0-672-30545-3 See Page 46. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 22:58:21 To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: Clunker update Greetings and Salutations, -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP> Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, PK> First, to make sure we are all talking the same language, what version PK> of OS/2 are you installing, EG: Warp 3 Connect RED spine... Blue. Borrowed a CDROM & created the disks. Thought I'd better do a test on a system that would be easy to put back if I had to. (And everything is backed up...) Wouldn't load DOS at all & therfore no Win. Put the VVGA.SYS as a device line. DOS but no WIn. Reinstalled the WIN. Voila working. PK> Ok, some questions before we start on this - PK> - In what way "it wont do" DOS (we need some more details)? See above PK> - Do you have a "DOS Window" Icon in the COMMAND PROMPTS folder? Had Icon but no loading. PK> - What is the size of the partition that OS/2 installed to? @250 MB PK> - Is it FAT or HPFS? HPFS. Put the swap on D FAT 16. PK> - How much FREE disk space does it have? Sorry forgot. PK> - If you are really game, try posting the contents of your CONFIG.SYS Already posted. JP> and won't read the DOS C drive PK> If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not PK> surprising. In multiboot says it's hidden. How do I change this with the Fdisk. D is fine. LP> Lost my inport mouse PK> It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into It auto detected but it keeps disappearing & had to use the keyboard to load down. That is a real oucher. Mine is an MS Buss mouse. LP> & hung playing a game. PK> What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not respond to keystrokes Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time. PK> Also try CTRL-ESC and ALT-ESC, but after pressing either of these WAIT Nada LP> And want to see the DOS C. During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment. PK> primary partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek PK> without a paddle, however some of the other folks here may be able to PK> provide a few tricks to resolve this. I think Fdisk will fix this. After all I'm using Drive D. Just ansy about playing with the DOS partition at the moment. LP> And it doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver. PK> While not specifically for the FX-80, there is another Epson printer PK> which is almost identical to the FX-80 that is there, but I can't PK> remember which one it is. Its been MANY years since I used a Dot PK> Matrix. It has an FX-850 which I picked but my RolandDG PR-1012 is officially classified as an Epson FX-80. PK> Start with the "Epson Generic 9 pin" driver for the FX-80 and checkout Never thought of that one. PK> the other Epson printers, the FX-80 was rebadged under another name for Also a Panasonic but I couldn't remember which one. After all it is a panasonic OEM. LP> But then it only has 6 MB PK> That should have no affect on the issues you have seen. It will inhibit PK> some things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)). Stutter? PK> TIP: If you change the location of the SWAP file, make sure that after PK> re-booting using the NEW loaction, you DELETE the OLD swap file to PK> regain the disk space it used! Did. PK> And that is TOTALLY out of the picture now that OS/2 has booted. Forget PK> it! If you say so . PK> I hope some of this helps........pk. Oh yeah. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 23:00:26 To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: File Systems Greetings and Salutations, -=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=- ET> paid) internet account. These days, you can get a free internet account ET> (commercials are paying your account). And how to get that in Winnipeg? Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 13-Nov-99 23:07:16 To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: FTP & Telnet Greetings and Salutations, -=> Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx <=- ET> I'm curius, why bother with FTP and telnet if you don't have internet ET> access? Or do you plan to have internet access? When & if I'll know what to look for. Anon, Linda ... Computer Lie #1: You'll never use all that disk space. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 14-Nov-99 07:44:01 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: Get Going Linda Proulx, 13-Nov-99 12:14:19, Linda Proulx wrote to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard LP> -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea <=- Subject: Re: Get Going JdP>> You, I, and Andy have all asked, as predicted, "Why?". LP> It's coming. Honest. JdP>> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from JdP>> the LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried. Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some other dearchiver to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you. PartList.exe is in there. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 14-Nov-99 07:49:04 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: Get Going Linda Proulx, 13-Nov-99 12:52:02, Linda Proulx wrote to Murray Lesser LP> -=> Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=- Subject: Re: Get Going LP> Which is why I now have this P unit. Details please? LP> Also considering future hardware I may have haved to have win95 99% of the time hardware is not a good reason to use M$, especially if you read the OS2HW echo and make careful selections before buying new HW. Often the difference in price between the very cheapest M$ only HW that is usually slow and unreliable, is not enough savings in $ compared to buying average or better HW that will run under OS/2 and M$. If your time and data are worth anything at all, then paying a little extra for reliable HW for OS/2 will be worth it. The extra time and frustration recovering from problems using the cheapest M$ HW (even when using it only under M$) is enormous. Only those who have never been exposed to the reliability of OS/2 can "forgive & forget" those problems M$ and the cheap HW designed only for M$ cause. OTOH some new software (due to M$ cut throat contacts) is designed to only run on M$. But that is mostly games and updated versions of some other software like DeLorme's map stuff etc. Fortunately TaxCut (as of last year's version) will still run under Win-OS/2. 99% of the time there is native OS/2 alternative software to perform whatever task M$ does. Do yourself a BIG favor: don't buy nor even install a free gift of WinXX, until long after you have been using OS/2 on a regular basis. Give yourself at least 6 months to a year of regular (every day all day) use of OS/2 so that you will learn how to do things the right way FIRST. That will build up your immunity to becoming addicted to the M$ virus. Then if you absolutely must have some M$ only software, at least you will understand that you can Boot Manager to WinXX to run that and then go back to OS/2 to get some work done. And you will understand to only use M$ on extremely rare occasions. If you have any thoughts of doing a comparison of M$ before you get a very good handle on OS/2, then you will become so confused that it will cause you to need many years to learn as much about OS/2, as what you could learn in a few months without M$. In other words it is much easier to learn OS/2 if you don't have to UNlearn M$ first. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Honsberger 14-Nov-99 11:39:26 To: Andy Roberts 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Get Going 12 Nov 99 07:24, Andy Roberts wrote to Stewart Honsberger: SH>> Just re-install the OS, and re-create icons for the neccesary SH>> applications. AR> You would not have to manually re-create the Icons nor even edit your AR> config.sys etc, (and maybe not even reinstall at all) if you used: The problem with a utility to save my WPS is the fact that the WPS is typically the reason I'm forced to re-install. Restore the old WPS, get the problems back. Stewart Honsberger, blackdeath@tinys.oix.com ... Real knowledge is knowing the extent of one's ignorance. -!- GOPGP/2 v1.23 --- Msged/2 TE 05 * Origin: Blackdeath BBS - Private (1:229/604) 266/12 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Mike Roark 13-Nov-99 09:11:20 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Thank you Hello Linda! Thursday November 11 1999 12:24, Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark: MR>> DOS for so long. LP> It wasn't that I stuck with it, it was I was stuck with it. I've LP> been running DOS 3.3 until I finally got this new(er) unit (thanks I can understand that.. Although the first OS/2 install I did was on a 386sx/20 with 8meg. I found out quickly that I needed more power.. LP> to my longsuffering hardware guru, by the way.) I've always wanted LP> to LP> run OS/2. Finally got a system that could run OS/2 and hate the LP> thought of Win9X. (But wait until I get my dream machine 8->. Linux LP> with EVERYTHING.) Can even think about the possibility of Ineting The machine you are running Os/2 on will probably handle linux quite nicely. LP> I really am looking forward to running a system the way I've always LP> wanted to run it. LP> And still am looking for a software sound driver. Don't want a sound LP> card just want the sounds . What type of sound card? Have a good day!! Mike Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 15h 11m 28s 281ms (en). --- * Origin: Finally Warped! (2:2490/8016) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 12-Nov-99 18:56:05 To: George Fliger 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: Suppressing popups? Hi George! Thus quoth George Fliger to Daniela Engert: GF> Adding a colon after the "C" will, again, make the statement GF> invalid. All of my different Warp installations have nothing to complain about the colon after the drive letter and behave accordingly. bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 14-Nov-99 13:27:02 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall Greetings and Salutations, Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard stop working needs an updated bios. How to uninstall now? Anon, Linda Anon, Linda ... Multitask: make twice the mistakes in 1/2 the time. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 13-Nov-99 20:47:00 To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: An Inquiring Mind In a message dated 11-11-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Holger Granholm: Hi Eddy, ET>ZOC doesn't need Vmodem for telnetting as client because ZOC has its ET>own built-in telnet client. If you need a telnet server, I don't ET>know about ZOC. Vmodem is a telnet client and a telnet server (it ET>works both ways). Yes I know. I have tried to find some text on the use of it in ZOC but the only thing I found was optional parameter /DEV:TELNET. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * Windows? WINDOWS?!? Hahahahahehehehehohohoho... --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 13-Nov-99 16:16:00 To: Ron Nicholls 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: StarOffice LA> LA> Apparently it changed the assoc for text/html to "Starwriter LA> LA> HTML LA> LA> Document", which means that you have to individually change each RN> In W4 RN> A rexx program in "X:\OS2\setdefv.cmd" may do what you want. Hmmm....never seen that little puppy before. Notice the file date too, 6/23/98....hadta come out of a fixpak. Thanks for the tip Ron... LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: Do not remove this tag under penalty of law. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 14-Nov-99 08:15:00 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: FTP & Telenet LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> Larry Snider wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years. LP> isn't he the author of X00 ? Yes, he is. LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: I am deeply saddened by this news. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 14-Nov-99 08:17:01 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: FTP & Telenet LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> Albert Sodyl wrote to LINDA PROULX <=- AS> Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest version of AS> ZOC and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better in my opinion. LP> Is it Y2Ked? Wonder what the newest version is. v3.13 for OS/2. There is also a Win version and both will operate from the same support files (phone books, etc). ZOC is highly recommended. LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: "I'll be Bach." - Johann Sebastian Schwarzenegger --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 14-Nov-99 08:54:02 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Install A few suggested changes: LP> IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C Try 512 or 1024 ^^ ^ Try 16 or 32 (f you have more than 16 megs of memory and are using HPFS) > SET PROMPT=$i[$p] Try this as : $p$g and add a line like: SET DIRCMD=/A/O:GN/P/V > FILES=20 (Change to 60 or 80) Change this immediately...20 is too low for win apps and some dos apps will also choke... > MAXWAIT=3 On a fast machine you can change this to "2" > BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS You may try adding a "/IRQ" after this...don't recall but I thought that was the default in v3 > BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD Unless you have a Microchannel machine, REM this out > BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT You only need this for reading compressed install type disks, REM it out if you are done with the installs. > FCBS=16,8 Set this to "8,4" > DOS=LOW,NOUMB You can experiment with "DOS=HIGH,UMB" when everything else is working properly and if you have DOS apps that need more memory or if you want to experiment with loading DOS drivers high... this can also sometimes help with Win apps. The rest of it looks ok. LP> Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general data > directory for all the program. But then haven't had a chance to do a > lot of playing yet. Settings for individual applications are on the properties notebook for the object, accessable by right clicking. Good luck... LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: "Curiouser and curiouser!" cried Alice. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Dave Davidson 14-Nov-99 14:52:18 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... Now that I have OS/2 loaded and "running", the questions are mounting..... I know Andy's gonna be "pi**ed" at me for what I did, but here's the way I have the system's setup at present. Warp 4 on both. AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 only see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted. Haven't really done much with that machine as I'm waiting to finish the P120 which will be dedicated to OS/2 with the 10.3GB and a new 8.3GB HD's and 96MB Ram. AMD K6/2-450 8.3GB Seagate 4.3GB WD Caviar, both IDE drives, with 128MB Memory. Dual Boot with WIN98 & OS/2. OS/2 has ALL the WD 4.3GB drive and "shares" two (2GB) logical drives with WIN98 using FAT16. The "shared" drives are for primarily for compressed files used by the BBS plus for data to be burned to CD under WIN98. I also have Terminate on one of those "shared" drives, so both OS's can use the same copy. So far, each OS _seems_ to be working OK, with a few OS/2 exceptions noted below... Most of these questions are probably relatively simple for old OS/2 user's but remember, I'm a _newbie_ with a lot of "DOS think" to get rid of. (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available drives, how can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE A not ready, simply because there isn't a disk in the drive? (2) I have two Internal USR/3Com Sportster 56k modems on COM3 and COM4, neither of which, is a "WINModem". SIO only registers COM1 and COM2 when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, neither modem is available under OS/2. I _did_ add the line to the DEVICE=SIO line in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I need to do? (3) With FP9, my Internal ATAPI ZIP Drive _IS_ recognized and used by OS/2 however, the ONLY way I can eject a ZIP disk is to exit OS/2! I can't swap disks while in OS/2, even if I'm not using it. Is this normal or am I missing something here as well? (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the OS/2 WARP Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally black background with just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., displayed. Is this possible and if so, how? (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... Will DOS Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a ScreenSaver active as they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few years and it may take a while to get over the "WIN think" as well. Specifically, Terminate! Under WIN9x, it will #NOT# answer the phone when a screen saver is active. To get around this, I use the Power Management to turn off the Monitor after 30 minutes. Will I have to do the same with OS/2? Is there a "Power Management" feature easily assessable under OS/2? As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up & running, I'm full of questions that I either couldn't find answers to in the manual or simply didn't understand. I have a feeling this is just the beginning. Thanks... Have a GREAT one! __ Warped in more ways than one! Dave Davidson dad50@primary.net ICQ: 37076334 dad500@aol.com --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at : _Registered_ _User_ : since 03/93! * Origin: TerHOST + TerMAIL + Allfix = A Great SUPPORT System! (1:109/921.29) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 12-Nov-99 22:14:29 To: Stewart Honsberger 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Get Going Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein: JS> The important thing is to install your operating systems on small JS> partitions. No need to backup up much of your operating system, as JS> it is already backed up on your install disks. SH> That's what I've got setup here. I learned my lesson when I SH> had to re-install everything after my single partition SH> puked. SH> OS/2 resides on a 300MeB partition right now, with apps, SH> etc.. on seperate partitions. I've already had to re-install SH> OS/2 once, and it was relatively quick and painless. Are you running WARP 4? I was wondering how much disk space that would require? I guess it depends a lot on what all you install, and where your put some of the things. SH> Just re-install the OS, and re-create icons for the neccesary SH> applications. I never did a re-install of OS/2. Most I ever did was overwrite my .ini files once when I first started using OS/2. I was playing with some goofy thing that would rebuild them, and it did, right back to the original stuff on first install. I enjoyed rebuilding things though. I still don't think it would talk all that much to rebuild my desktop to where it is now, and, I likely would "lose" some stuff I never use. Thats always a bonus I guess. I do back up all my ini files now, daily. It would be interesting to see if I could actually get them reinstalled just by copying them into a new system. I'll wait until I'm forced to do that though, so far, 9 years later, I still never had to bother with it. I have them though, just in case:-) Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 140/1 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 12-Nov-99 22:22:18 To: Stewart Honsberger 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Weird windows... Stewart Honsberger wrote in a message to Jack Stein: SH> 04 Nov 99 00:12, Jack Stein wrote to Sean Dennis: SD>> --- tty1@afterhours/2 (GoldED/2) JS>> I assume that is where you want it sent? JS> No luck there Sean: JS> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- JS> 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: afterhours/2: JS> host not found) SH> Obviously "afterhours/2" isn't a hostname. SH> I don't have the RFC handy at the moment, but I do believe SH> that "/" is not a valid character in a hostname, as it SH> implies a path/directory off of said hostname. Sure didn't look right to me either, but, thats all I had to go by. I didn't think it would work, and it didn't. I don't recall what he even wanted now, for all I know, I might have sent it to him already, if he sent me an email with a good address on it. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 140/1 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 14-Nov-99 20:11:12 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Software question Greetings, Wonder if there was anything that runs on Warp that will either receive a fax or transfer the call to voice mail. Another potential option is to answer if a fax & not answer if not a fax. Soon, Linda Anon, Linda ... Real knowledge is knowing the extent of one's ignorance. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 14-Nov-99 15:06:04 To: Albert Sodyl 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. AS> Hmm... I was looking on there, but I could only find Warp 3, AS> never saw Warp 4 on there :( Ups! I'm very seldom on ebay.com. Because here in germany we have ebay.de - ist's german speeking. I'd found there 2 copies of WARP4 (with microphone) for 40 DM (20$). But most of WARP userers are selling thiyr old WARP3 and use WARP4 self. I'm own 4 computers so I'd had to find more licenses - but NEW ones are to expensive for me. Go to altavista and try a search for WARP4. You'll find it somewhere. Go into OS/2 newsgroups or market news. Look there. AS> Hmm, my choice was the latest version of OS/2, right now Warp 4, AS> you know if there'll be any other ones out later on? No there is no newer OS/2 client. You can buy a new server, but that is to prohibitive for private usage. AS>>> And I don't have a CD rom drive either. HR>> Do you like to handle with more than 30 diskettes to install an HR>> OS?. Plus approximate 20 diskettes for a Fixpack + .....? AS> Not really, but do I have a choice? Yes. You can buy a CDR drive. :-) HR>> On ebay you my find a used CDR for a few $. AS> It's still expensive, plus the shipping and all that stuff, trust AS> me, I'm not rich enough. HR>> On other hand if you have got a friend with a CDR you my copy HR>> all needed diskettes from CD to diskettes. On each WARP CD is a HR>> .cmd (startable under OS/2) and a .bat (for DOS systems) for HR>> copying the dikette images to diskettes. AS> That could be an alternative. HR>> Hardware requirement for HR>> WARP 3 WARP 4 HR>> CPU I386 I486 (creeps on 386 too) HR>> Memory 12 MB 16 MB (with Voice Type 24 or HR>> more) HR>> Disk 250 MB 400 MB (including HR>> swapper.dat) AS> That's it, now I can forget about getting Warp 3 or Warp 4. Why? You can buy 8 MB used EDO RAM now for less than $20. You should own all other you'll ever need for WARP. AS> I'll stay with the ever crashing OS/2 2.1 :( Christmas is coming soon. Let your parents, wive and childs make the right present to you. :-) --- Sqed/32 1.14/development * Origin: Schont die Umwelt: Vermeidet DOSen (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 14-Nov-99 15:19:00 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: [WarpCast] OS/2 eBay Report @MSGID: 81:497/835 381eaac4 @CHRS: LATIN-1 2 @TID: FastEcho 1.45a 41347 Source: (Timur_Tabi@Dell.com) Moderator: Christopher B. Wright (wrightc@dtcweb.com) Every Monday, I'll be reporting on OS/2-related items for sale on http://www.ebay.com and the comp.os.os2.marketplace newsgroup. Even if you're not thinking about buying anything OS/2 related, you might find something that catches your interest. On eBay, there are several copies of OS/2 2.x, Warp 3, Warp 4, and Lotus applications available for sale, as well as several OS/2 books, mostly for OS/2 2.x or Warp 3. Recently, I've seen a lot of people try to sell user manuals and "license packs" for various older versions of OS/2. Starting this week, I won't be reporting on auctions for Drive Image or Borland C++ books, since these items seem to be always for auction. There's not much this week: Comm Manager/2, IBM and McAfee anti-virus, DB2/2 1.0, Lantastic, and Colorworks 1.0. There's a package deal of several versions of OS/2, FaxWorks Pro, DeScribe Voyager, GalCiv 2, SmartSuite, and some CD-ROM's. Someone is also selling an "Orange386 OS/2 Coprocessor 1MB", which is either a 1MB RAM upgrade for some really old computers or it's a co-processor with OS/2 support. Unfortunately, the seller doesn't respond to emails, so if anyone knows what it is, please tell me. Considering the seller has over 6,300 responses and 100+ items for sale at any given time, I suspect that the seller has no idea what it is. Caveat emptor. For collectors we have an OS/2 jacket, just in time for Winter. For programmers, we have: Borland C++ 2.0 for OS/2 (yes, the software, not just the books) and Brief 3.1. On comp.os.os2.marketplace, we have: Borland C++ 2.0 (software?), DUX American dictionary, Links/2, some Lotus software, some Warp 3 CD's. We finally have something worthwhile on Yahoo. Last week we had some version of FaxWorks, and this week we have a book on PM programming. Those of you looking to sell your OS/2 related stuff, I strongly recommend you put it on eBay and post an announcement on comp.os.os2.marketplace. If you include the word "OS/2" in the title of your description, I'll see it and include it in the next report. If you're looking for OS/2 items on eBay, search on the phrase ("OS/2",OS2), including the parentheses. ------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe, unsubscribe, or for more information on WarpCast, visit: http://www.warpcast.com/ ------------------------------------------------------- -!- FIDOGATE 4.3.5 -!- MPost/386 v1.2 ! Origin: Infos zu Warpcast: http://www.warpcast.com (81:497/835) SEEN!BY: 497/0 600 800 820 830 835 840 850 860 870 880 890 @PATH: 497/835 800 --- Sqed/32 1.14/development * Origin: Schont die Umwelt: Vermeidet DOSen (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 08:45:26 To: Fred Springfield 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: PM Sessions Fred Springfield wrote in a message to All: FS> I am running Warp 4 + FP10, here, and run all my rexx FS> programs under Object Rexx. BTW, Object Rexx only works for FS> me under Warp 4. The add-on version which IBM released for FS> Warp 3, was never fixed to process dynamic data with the FS> charin and linein commands, so I can not use it for FS> communications input to my stock market data reteival FS> programs. Fred, could you expand on this problem with Warp 3 and Orexx a bit? I run OREXX under WARP 3 and everything seems to work with it, although I don't really use much OREXX specific code. I did find one problem with Lines function not working with Piped data (do while lines()) but that was overcome using the streams() function. Is this the issue you speak of, or is there something else that doesn't work? This was the only problem I found with OREXX running all my old CREXX code. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 140/1 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 13-Nov-99 09:10:26 To: Murray Lesser 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru Murray Lesser wrote in a message to Andy Roberts: ML> also. But I have the bad habit of sticking my oar in when I ML> see that some newbie is getting [what I think is] erroneous ML> advice. Perhaps we all would be better off if I could just ML> let it go by :-). First Andy, now you. If all you guys stop " sticking in your oars" then people like Linda will be getting all their advice from ME.... have mercy on their souls... BTW, I still find it hard to believe someone like you does not use 4OS2/4DOS. I read your message where you mentioned that, and had to sit on my hands for 10 minutes now... not long enough I guess.... Well, it was designed by, and for, command line finatics... On the other hand, it's usefulness in OS/2 is not near what it was in DOS, and it is expensive, and, it is no longer nice shareware, but "crippleware", so I won't badger you about it, not that I think for one moment I could talk you into it anyway:-) Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 140/1 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 14-Nov-99 22:35:04 To: Lee Aroner 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: Install Greetings and Salutations, -=> Lee Aroner wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LA> A few suggested changes: LP> IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C LA> Try 512 or 1024 ^^ ^ Try 16 or 32 LA> (f you have more than 16 megs of memory and are using HPFS) Have 6. > SET PROMPT=$i[$p] LA> Try this as : $p$g and add a line like: LA> SET DIRCMD=/A/O:GN/P/V Why. > FILES=20 (Change to 60 or 80) LA> Change this immediately...20 is too low for win apps and some dos LA> apps will also choke... Ok. > MAXWAIT=3 LA> On a fast machine you can change this to "2" Speed 25. What is considered fast 75/100? Less, more? > BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD LA> Unless you have a Microchannel machine, REM this out Ok. > BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT LA> You only need this for reading compressed install type disks, LA> REM it out if you are done with the installs. Ok. Only OS/2 compressed? > FCBS=16,8 LA> Set this to "8,4" Again, why? > DOS=LOW,NOUMB LA> You can experiment with "DOS=HIGH,UMB" when everything else is LA> working properly and if you have DOS apps that need more memory LA> or if you want to experiment with loading DOS drivers high... LA> this can also sometimes help with Win apps. According to the book, my hardware memory needed this. Only 6 remember. LA> The rest of it looks ok. Good. LP> Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general data > directory for all the program. But then haven't had a chance to do a > lot of playing yet. LA> Settings for individual applications are on the properties LA> notebook for the object, accessable by right clicking. All applications, no matter what? LA> Good luck... Thanks, but I think that the beloved clunker just won't cut it. I trust you've seen my posts about the hang. Anon, Linda ... When the need arises, any tool closest to you becomes a hammer. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 13-Nov-99 14:00:02 To: Fred Springfield 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: PM Sessions Hello Fred, 12 Nov 99 02:31, Fred Springfield wrote to All: FS> Also unfortunately, PMMail is not a candidate for this project, FS> because there is no way to get it to do anything automatically upon FS> opening, such as send, or fetch, the mail. PMMail does that just fine, it's in the "Account settings" under the tab "Preferences". And PMMail honores the requested start minimized: yes it starts minimized if you ask. PMMail has a fine filter system to automate the handling of messages, PMMail can also call external programs for this and this includes REXX files. PMMail has also (in the account settings) fields (hooks) for REXX files to call for "Message Send Exit", "Message Receive Exit", "Custom REXX Send", "Custom REXX Receive"; and in the PMMail settings under the REXX tab "Program Open Exit" and "Program Close Exit"; all of which can be set to run in the foreground or in the background. I use the OS/2 TCP/IP stack on OS/2 Warp 4 fixpack 9, works great! :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... WinErr #009: Windows loading. Come back tomorrow. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 10:15:24 To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: dos games under Warp 4 Hello Peter, 13 Nov 99 14:59, Peter Knapper wrote to Eddy Thilleman: PK> There was a fundamental change in the logic of the USE of SWAPPER.DAT PK> somewhere between V2.0 and V2.11 but I can't remember enough of the PK> details (it was too long ago) of when all this changed. I remember a change in swapping pages from .DLL files used by the system (swapping when previously those pages where not swapt but kept in memory, most noticeable on systems with 6 MB RAM for example, barely enough memory to run OS/2). PK> The main change was that a PAGE in memory that was from the EXECUTABLE PK> part of a program that NEVER altered, was written to the SWAP file PK> just ONCE, and subsequently was never written again. This provided a PK> small performance improvement on systems that were doing a lot of PK> swapping. I don't remember that. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I don't remember this. :) PK> No, you can't load pages DIRECTLY from the .EXE file itself, the .EXE PK> file format does not contain an EXACT memory print of what that PK> application looks like once it is loaded into memory. The only place PK> such a print could be taken is directly from memory AFTER the .EXE is PK> loaded. OK, I forgot about that. PK> Interestingly, I have been doing a bit of work with NT lately, and of PK> course I started making comparisons.........;-) One of the first PK> things I noticed is that NT DEFINATELY bogs down on swap file PK> performance once your memory is over-committed, even if its only by a PK> small amount. On the other hand, the OS/2 SWAP file can be quite large PK> and yet performance seems to be excellent by comparison, barely PK> noticeable. This shows how good OS/2 is. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Forget love. I'd rather fall into chocolate. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 10:22:14 To: Albert Sodyl 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. Hello Albert, 11 Nov 99 16:21, Albert Sodyl wrote to EDDY THILLEMAN: AS> I understand, but it's not like I have a choice, I'd love to have a AS> CD-ROM drive. What system do you have? ET>> Warp 3 can be made Y2000 proof with a recent fixpack, the latest ET>> fixpack for Warp 3 is fp 40 or 41 (I think). Warp 4 lives longer. AS> I'll try to get Warp 4 if I can :) IIRC, Warp 4 requires a cdrom drive because IIRC Warp 4 isn't available on floppies. OTOH, IIRC, on the Warp 4 cdrom there are floppy disk images so you could go to someone who has a cdrom drive and a stack of floppies - I don't know how many, but it's *many* (>30 in total), it takes a *lot* of time to copy the floppy disk images to floppies, and installation from floppies takes also a *lot* of time. I would not recommend that. Also, I would not recommend to run Warp 4 on a 386: very slow if it runs at all - but I haven't tried that, just that I gathered from reading here and the Warp 4 installation manual says Warp 4 requires a 486. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Window Error:01B Illegal error. Do not get this error. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 11:45:06 To: James Mckenzie 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: FTP & Telenet Hello James, 12 Nov 99 19:12, James Mckenzie wrote to Linda Proulx: JM> SIO package includes several programs, one being VMODEM which can JM> create a virtual modem connection for programs such as FrontDoor or JM> Zap-O-Comm (ZOC). ZOC doesn't need vmodem, it has its own built-in telnet client. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... WinErr #103: Windows detected running on system. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 12:11:27 To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: MsgReader Hello Rodrigo, 13 Nov 99 04:55, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote to All: RB> I want to know the urls to get all these cool msgreaders. you could problably find a lot on hobbes or on os2bbs (telnet via internet). :) Have you checked bbs's in your neighbourhood? RB> I may convert from bw pkt for anything of it? RB> These msgreaders accept bw pkt for reading? I haven't tried, but the docs of Golded mention specifically working with QWK packets: GoldED supports import and export of the QWK offline packet format for BBS conferences and Internet e-mail and newsgroups. Using this feature, you can use GoldED as QWK offline reader. and more specific instructions. This should make it a snap to convert QWK packets to a messagebase. I don't know if Bluewave packets are different from QWK packets. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... OS/2: A door to the future with a free peep hole! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 14-Nov-99 12:15:00 To: Ron Nicholls 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Tutorial Hello Ron, 13 Nov 99 00:00, Ron Nicholls wrote to All: RN> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this weekend. RN> Just where is it kept ???? You have it installed?? If not, install it. :) If you have OS/2 Warp 4, it's in the "Assistance Center" folder. IIRC for Warp 3, open the "Bookshelf" icon (I don't remember its name). Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Discover proper respect for authority! Twit your Sysop. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00 To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: An Inquiring Mind In a message dated 11-12-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Holger Granholm: Hello Eddy, HG> Thanks for the info. That's what was buried deep down in the grey HG> cells. Yesterday I checked my filed docs but found very little on ZOC. HG> Mostly evolution history. ET>what about its file_id.diz file (it mentions telnet on the 1st ET>line): Of course I know that!!! But I don't call a file_id.diz for doc's! It looks as if good reading isn't the most used skill! ;-) Regards, Holger --- þ MR/2 2.26 þ If speed kills, Windows users may live forever. * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM In a message dated 11-11-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard said to Holger Granholm: Hello Jonathan, JP>> From what ? From the 00GLOBAL.TXT file ? The answer is "yes" as JP>> long as PC-Board understands and processes the FILES.BBS format. HG> That's the problem, it doesn't. JP>What does it use, then ? Actually the 00GLOBAL.TXT file is in the correct format for PCBoard on the Walnut Creek CD's but that cannot be said for other CD's. JP>( I sense an impending challenge to the inhabitants of the OS2REXX JP>echo. (-: ) Well, the point is that PCBoard wants a separate listing for each directory on the CD that contains downloadable files. Previously the "conversion" program was included on the CD as was also listings in the various BBS formats. But not anymore. I tried to make use of the previously included programs for the latest CD I received but for some reason failed several attempts to create the necessary files. Reason: I am apparently a bad programmer. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * - Hiroshima '45 Chernobyl '86 Windows '95 - --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Margin example In a message dated 11-12-99, Linda Proulx said to All: Hello Linda, > And this line means - > 1. The SWAP file will be SWAPPER.DAT (the standard name for the file) LP>and it > 2. Allow the SWAP file to grow to whatever size it needs until there is LP>NO LE > 3. At system boot up, DELETE ANY EXISTING SWAPPER.DAT and allocate an LP>initial ------------------ cut ---------------- There are lines in the mmail.rc that says: # Wrap quoted text at this column width (including quote marks) QuoteWrapCols: 72 As you can see, I have it wrapping at 72 columns. I have the same setting in my editor, QEdit for OS/2 and TSE for DOS. QEdit/2 is not shareware but TSE2JR4.ZIP is. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * Windows NT? New Technology? I don't think so... * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00 To: Mike Ruskai 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Missing Window control.. In a message dated 11-12-99, Mike Ruskai said to Will Honea: Hi Mike, WH> Mike, was the screwed-up directory attribute in fp10 and 11 or was it WH> unique to 11? That's the one that made updated directories invisible WH> to some programs (like Post Road Mailer). MR>I haven't run into anything like what you describe, but since I'm MR>not entirely certain what you're asking, I can't say whether or not MR>the problem exists. I haven't had any programs have trouble seeing MR>directories which have had their contents changed, if that's close MR>to what you're getting at. It was unique to FP11. FP12 corrected that. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * I love standards! Such a variety to choose from! --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Clunker update In a message dated 11-13-99, Linda Proulx said to All: Hello Linda, LP>Got it installed on the clunker. LP>Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, and won't read the DOS C drive LP>but has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install). Lost my LP>inport mouse & hung playing a game. And want to see the DOS C. And LP>it doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver. Oh gosh, why did we talk at length about installing it on an extended logical partition and using advanced installation and Boot Manager? Totally wasted time! Have a nice day, Holger --- þ MR/2 2.26 þ Join a proud minority. Read the manual. * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 14-Nov-99 16:53:00 To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: AMI BIOS date In a message dated 11-12-99, Eddy Thilleman said to Linda Proulx: ET>I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have ET>a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell ET>where I can find it in this book if it's in there. ET>Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 ET>Warp 3" .......... Look in the Index for "AMI BIOS", it's there in the Warp 3 book. I won't give the page numbers because mine is printed in Denmark (in english) and who knows where your book is printed. Regards, Holger --- þ MR/2 2.26 þ Cure for Windows: Type `FORMAT C: /S /U' at DOS prompt. * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Zdravko Blagdan 15-Nov-99 16:06:21 To: all 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: OS/2 3 fixpack Hi! Trying to apply y2k fix to OS/2 v 3 (pure out of box) I dowloaded a few XR_W042.* text files. This is from XR_W042.RM1: 3.0.1 DEVICE DRIVERS REMOVED FROM FIXPAK Beginning with Warp 4 FixPak XR_M011 and Warp 3 FixPak XR_W041, most OS/2 Device Drivers have been moved to a separate Device Driver FixPak. The first Device Driver, XR_D001, is now available where this FixPak is available. To avoid potential Device Driver problems with the installation of Warp 4 FixPak XR_M011 and Warp 3 FixPak XR_W041, your system should be at FixPak level XR_M005 or higher for Warp 4 and XR_W032 or higher for Warp 3. It seems like I have to first download some older fixpack, and then a newest one. Can that be avoided or which one fixpack is 'enough' good for solving Y2K and can be applied to the 'out of box' Warp? Blagi --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k * Origin: Alt::BBS -=- Split, Croatia -=- +385 21 320 444 (2:381/100) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Tony Pater 12-Nov-99 14:38:22 To: Dan Egli 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: ICQ 2 for OS/2 ? -=> Quoting Dan Egli to Tony Pater <=- -=> Quoting Tony Pater to All <=- TP> Excuse me, know this may sound like a daft question. TP> I'm trying to use a beta of ICQ for OS/2 (icq153beta) TP> How does one obtain an ID ? DE> through the program itself. When you set it up and load for the 1st DE> time, it asks for your ID. You tell it you don't have one and it starts DE> to regsiter you. Thanks a lot Dan ..... TP> Does one need to register with ICQ homepage in order TP> to 'use' ICQ programmes (of whatever OS) ? DE> Homepage? No. Network? Yes. I did go to the homepage using Communicator 4.61 whilst having the beta ICQ programme loaded. The clincher in your comment above was to be actually on the WWW prior to telling ICQ beta "NO" to having an ID. A minute or so later a message appeared on the screen informing me of my ICQ ID number. Regards Tony Sydney, Oz Sat 11-13-1999 12:44:38 am ... 4dos/4os2.. under Warp 4 --- FMail/2 1.48+ * Origin: Cyberia: Come get some [02-9596-0284] (3:712/848) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Tony Pater 13-Nov-99 00:03:14 To: George Fliger 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: ICQ 2 for OS/2 ? -=> Quoting George Fliger to Tony Pater <=- GF> On 31 Oct 99 12:51pm, Tony Pater wrote to All: TP> Excuse me, know this may sound like a daft question. TP> I'm trying to use a beta of ICQ for OS/2 (icq153beta) GF> You need to go over to www.mirabilis.com (I believe I spelled that GF> right) and register with them to get an ICQ ID. Once you have that GF> you should be able to run your ICQ client and fill in your ID GF> information from what mirabilis.com gave you when you registered. GF> After that, you're home free. GF> George Did go to the http address George (thanks), however, the procedure is different (It may be true for Windows/Macs, but it's simpler with this prog). Basically I had to tell ICQ that I didn't have an ID whilst on the Web. A minute or so later a pop-up message appeared on the screen advising my ICQ ID number. There was nothing to indicate that this ICQ beta as doing this, so I was rummaging around Mirabilis.com with the java enabled browser. Mirabelis doesn't have a specific script to get an ID number which is what threw me before. Apparently the Windows version of ICQ which comes on a CDrom does all this automatically. This OS/2 beta doesn't go into an explanation of how to get an ID ...... it's a background process and nothing to indicate it's handshaking with Mirabelis to obtain an ID for a new user. Thanks for helping me out here ..... it was a real puzzler and the Mirabelis web pages (being Windows centric) ... no help. GF> ... Party at Chez Tony! Hey .... I'm a real killjoy Zaijian Tony Sydney, Oz Sat 11-13-1999 1:07:27 am ... 4dos/4os2.. under Warp 4 --- FMail/2 1.48+ * Origin: Cyberia: Come get some [02-9596-0284] (3:712/848) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: James Mckenzie 14-Nov-99 08:09:19 To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hello Eddy! 12 Nov 99 10:36, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx: ET> Hello Linda, ET> 09 Nov 99 17:40, Linda Proulx wrote to John Thompson: JT>>> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only JT>>> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to JT>>> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of the JT>>> picture completely at that point. LP>> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp LP>> unleashed the minimum date is somewhere in 1990. ET> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition) ET> publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ET> ISBN 0-672-30545-3 ET> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have a ET> date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell ET> where I can find it in this book if it's in there. ET> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp ET> 3" or in the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book. It was not in any of those publications, but it was on both AMI's and IBM's "informational" FTP sites, that the BIOS date must be after 6/1/1991 in order for OS/2 to "see" all of the system's memory correctly. Of course, this only applies if you install 16MB or more. It had to do with the memory address bus configuration. You could install more memory, OS/2 (and amazingly Windows) could not "see" all of it. James ... ERROR #0005: Windows loading...come back tomorrow... --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: OS/2 Support * Your place for OS/2 information and Files (1:15/64) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:22:00 To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: file /query Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All on 11-13-99 11:16 about file /query... LP> Hello! LP> Did the fdisk /query. Here is what it said. LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP> **BIOS: 504MB LP> Does this answer anything? What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of the partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can be booted from. What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Humor is the ability to laugh at ourselves. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:27:00 To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Larry Snider on 11-13-99 09:59 about Re: FTP & Telenet... LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> Larry Snider wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years. LP> isn't he the author of X00 ? Yes, he is. SIO includes a virtual FOSSIL called VX00.SYS, too. Real DOS FOSSILs will run in a VDM, but VX00.SYS has much better performance. Unfortunately, VX00.SYS in the SIO v2 beta is somewhat broken. Some DOS programs (that require a FOSSIL) don't recognize it. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... HAL 9000: Dave. Put down those Windows disks. Dave. DAVE! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:29:00 To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to James Mckenzie on 11-13-99 10:04 about Re: FTP & Telenet... LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> James Mckenzie wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP> Is Zoc Y2Ked? What's the last version number? JM> Should be Y2K compliant. The latest version is 3.12 here. I don't use JM> the program and cannot due to the authors "anti-combat" clause. LP> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^?????? LP> This sounds very interesting.^.^ The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military may use his program. Call it misguided pacifism. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... BASIC programmers never die, they just GOSUB and never RETURN. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:32:00 To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Re: Get Going Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Jonathan De Boyne Pollard on 11-13-99 12:14 about Re: Get Going... [snip] LP> -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Will Honea <=- JdP> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from the LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried. Since Jonathan reads/posts sporadically, I'll answer that one for him. PARTLIST is a program that he wrote, which is in an archive at this location: ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/util/misc/os2clu02.zip It'll not only list the drives, but the entire partition tree. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... "It compiled? The first screen came up? Ship it!" -- Bill Gates ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 14-Nov-99 15:38:00 To: RACHEL VERAA 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows Some senseless babbling from Rachel Veraa to All on 11-09-99 21:27 about HPFS Filenames to Windows... RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files? Somewhere at hobbes.nmsu.edu there is an IFS for VFAT, which will allow you to see such drives as long-name capable. They're based on the Linux EXT2-FS drivers, so they are case-sensitive. Keep in mind also that the DOS names for the files won't be visible. It'll only see and deal with the long names. When I tried them, the WPS didn't know quite how to deal with them, so be aware that there may be problems. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Ever get the feeling that the Sysop is watching your every move? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara 14-Nov-99 06:27:13 To: Ray Geneburn 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: MsgReader RCB> I want to know the urls to get all these cool msgreaders. RG> http://www.juge.com Oh, nice! Thanks. == Rodrigo Cesar Banhara - rcb@iconet.com.br - icq:37216882 == --- * Origin: HidraSoft BBS * Aruja', SP, Brasil * 55-11-4654-2024 * (4:801/161) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 20:52:27 To: Ron Nicholls 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Tutorial RN> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this weekend. RN> RN> Just where is it kept ???? [C:\]which tutorial 15-08-1996 02:58:58 pm 62946 8136 _____A C:\OS2\TUTORIAL.EXE [C:\]ver 4OS2 3.01A OS/2 Version is 4.00 [C:\] ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 21:19:16 To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: "Paging Peter Knapper! ..." PK> There was a fundamental change in the logic of the USE of SWAPPER.DAT PK> somewhere between V2.0 and V2.11 but I can't remember enough of the PK> details (it was too long ago) of when all this changed. The main PK> change was that a PAGE in memory that was from the EXECUTABLE part of PK> a program that NEVER altered, was written to the SWAP file just ONCE, PK> and subsequently was never written again. This provided a small PK> performance improvement on systems that were doing a lot of swapping. In other words: discardable pages, aren't. I believe (from memory) that the change was that discardable pages were not discarded when paged out, but instead were written to the swap file. Discardable pages were, prior to that, re-created from the compressed page image in the executable file afresh every time that they were demand paged in. But uncompressing page images could have a significant performance impact on systems where paging rates were high, as would usually be the case with (say) 6MeB machines, since it would be done for each page-in of a discardable page. Changing OS/2 so that it only had to uncompress the image of such a page once, the first time that it was demand paged in, removed this overhead. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 13-Nov-99 22:12:26 To: Peter Knapper 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: "Paging Peter Knapper! ..." PK> No, you can't load pages DIRECTLY from the .EXE file itself, the .EXE PK> file format does not contain an EXACT memory print of what that PK> application looks like once it is loaded into memory. The only place PK> such a print could be taken is directly from memory AFTER the .EXE is PK> loaded. PK> PK> Interestingly, I have been doing a bit of work with NT lately, and of PK> course I started making comparisons.........;-) One of the first PK> things I noticed is that NT DEFINATELY bogs down on swap file PK> performance once your memory is over-committed, even if its only by a PK> small amount. On the other hand, the OS/2 SWAP file can be quite PK> large and yet performance seems to be excellent by comparison, barely PK> noticeable. It's worth noting some interesting things about Windows NT when compared to OS/2 Warp in this respect. The "portable executable", PE, format for executable files used in Win32 *does* contain an exact image in the file of the page as it is to be loaded into memory. When Windows NT demand loads a page, it doesn't need to uncompress its contents. Indeed, in most cases it doesn't need to perform relocation fixups either, because of a trick used when creating Win32 import libraries that means that all of the fixups to references imported from other modules are concentrated in a single place. (This trick is actually not specific to the PE executable format, and can be duplicated on OS/2 with the LX executable format as well. I have a replacement OS2386.LIB that does it for fixups to the various system API DLLs, if anyone is interested.) The disadvantage, of course, is that reading in a page from DASD is more expensive on Windows NT than it usually is on OS/2. In the 32-bit LX executable format used by OS/2, the compression scheme will shrink the size of page images in the file quite noticably. Picking the file \OS2\CMD.EXE at random, we notice that in memory object 1 all of the page sizes are between 3584 and 3072 bytes, a reduction in size by between 12% and 25%. Because of the compression used in the LX executable format, to demand page in a 4KiB page the program loader in the OS/2 kernel often doesn't actually need to read 4KiB of data from disc. On Windows NT, however, pages are the same size when stored on disc as they are in memory, because the PE executable file format doesn't have compression. So for every 4KiB page to be demand loaded, Windows NT has to read an entire 4KiB of data from disc. It's worth noting that Windows NT attempts to compensate for this fact by the fact that NTFS has a minimum cluster size of 4KiB. With HPFS on OS/2, the smallest I/O transaction can be as small as a single 512 byte (0.5KiB) sector, since that is the allocation unit size. Reading in a 3072-byte compressed page image thus only need involve reading six or seven sectors, not eight. With NTFS on Windows NT, since the smallest allocation unit size for the filesystem is 4KiB *anyway*, it doesn't make any difference that the program loader needs to read a full eight sectors for each 4KiB page (or even 9 or 10 sectors if the developer hasn't page-aligned the executable properly, which is possible if he has played around with the linker flags). It couldn't read less even if it wanted to. The most obvious effect of this design is that PE executables are much larger than LX executables. A page containing repeated data (such as an initialised data page that is mostly zeroes, for example) compresses very well in an LX executable. By contrast, a PE executable file contains a whole page's worth of bytes for such a page. Viewing PE and LX executables with a hex file viewer is most instructive. PE executables often have large runs of repeated data, most often large runs of zero bytes. LX executables generally do not. (I say "generally", because if they use Watcom C/C++ the linker doesn't support compression, alas. This is a deficiency in Watcom's linker, and an unfortunate example of the "jack of all trades, master of none" adage.) This is, of course, visible in the comparative sizes of Win32 and 32-bit OS/2 executables. One particular irony of the "uncompressing pages during a page-in is expensive, so we don't do it" philosophy embodied in the PE executable file format design is that NTFS can compress file data behind the scenes on the disc. So if an executable file is on an NTFS volume and NTFS has compressed it when storing it on disc, the overhead of uncompressing data each time that there is a page in operation won't have been avoided. All that has changed in reality is the portion of the system that actually performs it. Rather than having the uncompression done by the process loader, it is done by the filesystem driver. It is still done. Another further irony is that making the executable file format uncompressable, but having compression in the filesystem itself, means that the page data in the in-memory file cache are uncompressed, because of course that is how they are in the file itself. In contrast, when an LX executable file is cached on OS/2 the page data *are* compressed, and less RAM is required to cache the file contents as a result. This is one contributory factor (of many, alas) to the greater physical memory needs that Windows NT has when compared to 32-bit OS/2. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 14-Nov-99 11:45:23 To: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Mail reader Hello, Eddy. -=> Replying to a message of Eddy Thilleman to Linda Proulx: LP>> Know about MultiMail but what other y2k Os2 readers are there? Let's not forget FleetStreet, which is now open source. I'm running the latest version of it (1.25, I do believe). It's PM-based and quite nice; I used GoldEd/2 for the longest time but found FleetStreet to be much easier to use. You can get FleetStreet from the author's page (http://www.kaneff.de/~mike/fleetstreet) or you can email FREQ it from me as FLEET125.ZIP. Later, Sean --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: The heart of Central Texas - AfterHours/2 BBS (1:395/610) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 14-Nov-99 11:50:03 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Email FREQs... Hello, All. Just a short note-I have seen some of the people in here FREQ stuff from my system... Please note that there are NO periods after the filenames on my systems... when you write a sentence, you usually end it with a period... ;) For example, I saw one roll in this morning with: FREQ SIOFAQ. Internet Rex promptly send a help file. :) It's FREQ SIOFAQ if you want the file. Just thought all of you should know who want to get files from my system. ;) Later, Sean --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: The heart of Central Texas - AfterHours/2 BBS (1:395/610) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 13-Nov-99 12:19:00 To: LINDA PROULX 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Clunker update Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All on 11-13-99 01:31 about Clunker update... LP> Greetings, LP> Got it installed on the clunker. LP> Well won't do anything DOS or Win-OS, and won't read the DOS C drive LP> but has assigned it's own drive as C (in order to install). Lost my LP> inport mouse & hung playing a game. And want to see the DOS C. And it LP> doesn't have an Epson FX-80 printer driver. LP> But then it only has 6 MB & I admit I did not try to make the swap LP> file on the 3rd partition. And it has the old bios. LP> Multiboot works fine, though. You're not seeing drive C because you installed OS/2 on a primary partition, which every piece of advice you've had argued against. Only one primary partition per drive can be visible during any one boot. 6MB is pretty tight for something like OS/2. I did install Warp 3 on a PS/2 Model 70 with 6MB of RAM a while back, but I wouldn't even try networking. That's just not enough RAM. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... MS isn't the answer. It's the question. HELL NO is the answer. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 13-Nov-99 12:29:00 To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Get Going Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Will Honea on 11-11-99 11:22 about Get Going... WH> I'm at least curious as to how OS/2 is gonna react ;-} JDBP> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify JDBP> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-: JDBP> By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source), Process_Partition() JDBP> takes the first recognisable partition in the MBR that it finds, and JDBP> Build_Next_VolCB() only calls it once per MBR. JDBP> The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to JDBP> take the for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move it JDBP> into both Build_Next_VolCB() and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it along JDBP> the way so that it doesn't exit prematurely any more by removing the JDBP> `found' logic, and make Process_Partition() take the current loop index JDBP> as an extra parameter instead. JDBP> Daniela ? Ironically, such a change could make OS/2 bootable from a primary partition that isn't the first, while you still couldn't boot DOS or WinXX from such a setup on any but the first primary partition, given their requirement of booting from C:. But I still don't see why it should be done. If DOS (i.e. Win95) could boot from a logical drive, I wouldn't have any primary partitions (Win95 is used only for games, needless to say). Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rachel Veraa 09-Nov-99 21:27:04 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files? Cheers, Rachel http://www.netside.net/~rveraa/ * Origin: Birdsoft - North Miami (1:135/907) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 12-Nov-99 08:00:19 To: Holger Granholm 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Suppressing popups? Hello, Holger. -=> Replying to a message of Holger Granholm to Sean Dennis: SD>> I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error SD>> messages in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an SD>> "invalid statement" error upon bootup concerning that. Any ideas SD>> how or why that isn't working anymore? HG> Please read the docs for FP11. Everything you should have to know HG> about suppresspopups is there. OK. Will do. Thanks for the info! (That'll teach ME to listen to my own advice of RTFM... ;) Later, Sean --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: The heart of Central Texas - AfterHours/2 BBS (1:395/610) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 12-Nov-99 08:01:10 To: Gene Tucker 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: Vmodem/Sio Faq Hello, Gene. -=> Replying to a message of Gene Tucker to Sean Dennis: GT> For whcih version of SIO? 1.60d or the new old beta? 1.60d. I haven't tried the new beta as some of my other friends have tried it and have told me it's buggy and cantankerous. I simply haven't had time to investigate it. :) Later, Sean --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: The heart of Central Texas - AfterHours/2 BBS (1:395/610) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 12-Nov-99 08:02:09 To: Holger Granholm 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ Hello, Holger. -=> Replying to a message of Holger Granholm to Sean Dennis: SD>> If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... explains how to SD>> set it up. Let me know. HG> If it brings anything new in addition to the docs, I'd be interested. It does mention that infamous - parameter that seems to be buried in the docs. Basically, it shows what I've done on my system and explains a little from my own experience. A lot of people have asked me for it... I wrote it simply for people that are setting up SIO/VModem for the first time and are unsure how to go about it. It was written to make it easier for neobyte(!) OS/2 sysops to get their boards up 'n runnin' correctly with SIO/VModem. I was going to post it in here, but I didn't think that was appropriate. I'll post a small message in here with instructions on how to email FREQ it from my system. Later, Sean --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: The heart of Central Texas - AfterHours/2 BBS (1:395/610) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 12-Nov-99 08:06:27 To: ALL 15-Nov-99 21:24:16 Subj: SIO/VModem FAQ? Hello, ALL. If any of you are interested in the SIO/VModem FAQ I wrote: To get it via email FREQ: 1) Send a message to ah2@softhome.net with the subject of FREQ. 2) In the message, use FREQ SIOFAQ. 3) To request an ALLFILE listing, use FREQ ALLFILES. 4) For help, use FREQ HELP. My system normally does auto-maintanence at 0400 CST and your files will be sent off then, unless I do it manually. All files are attached via MIME attachments. Or, if you can't do that, netmail me and I'll be happy to send it to you! If you have any suggestions, corrections or comments about it, those are also welcome. Later, Sean --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: The heart of Central Texas - AfterHours/2 BBS (1:395/610) 114/477 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ray Geneburn 13-Nov-99 08:24:01 To: Rodrigo Cesar Banhara 15-Nov-99 21:47:06 Subj: MsgReader Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote in a message to All: RCB> I want to know the urls to get all these cool msgreaders. http://www.juge.com Regards, Ray --- timEd/386 1.10.y2k+ * Origin: NCS BBS - Mandeville, LA - (504) 892-5839 (1:3828/7) 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Pfisterer 13-Nov-99 17:33:00 To: All 15-Nov-99 21:47:06 Subj: Another leaky fixpak? Pressured by my bank to upgrade Netscape, I finally got around to ordering WarpUp! from Indelible Blue, and installed Netscape 4.61, Java 1.1.8, FixPak 12 and other goodies from it. WarpUp! is a neat package, worth a lot more than what Indelible Blue charges for it (but don't quote me)! Not so some of its contents. Not only does my new and improved system demand more memory, there's a memory leak. Before the upgrades, my swap file was set at two megs and was never detected exceeding it. No longer. I'm seeing swap files of 20 megs or more. I presume that the new and improved Netscape and Java want more memory up front; but I just left the system unattended for a few hours, and during that time the swap file grew from 9 megs to 19 megs with no real activity. With that, attempts to start programs produce a "not enough memory to run" error messages, even though there is ample disk space for expansion of the swap file. Thus, there may be a bug in the overall memory-management/swap-file-management function. Suggestions would be appreciated. (BTW, I've already installed pmmerge.dll from pmr00052. I think it improved things a bit; but obviously not enough.) Jack P. ~~~ Blue Wave/QuickBBS * Origin: Hooray For Hollywood * Los Angeles,CA -=- 213-653-7508 (1:102/749) 147/2021 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 15-Nov-99 20:17:00 To: Dave Davidson 15-Nov-99 20:17:00 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... Dave Davidson wrote to All on 11-14-1999 DD> (2) I have two Internal USR/3Com Sportster 56k modems on COM3 and COM4, DD> neither of which, is a "WINModem". SIO only registers COM1 and COM2 DD> when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, neither modem is available under DD> OS/2. I _did_ add the line to the DD> DEVICE=SIO line in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I need DD> to do? Two things to try (both accomplish the same thing - pick 1) Open the System->Hardware Manager, click on the button at the upper left corner and select properties. On the first page, select to do a Full Hardware detection on the next boot. The other way to do this is to hit ALT-F1 when the 'boot blob' (white square followed by 'OS/2') appears in the upper left corner of the screen during boot. Select full hardware detect from the full screen menu this gets you. Odds on, you have com3 sharing an IRQ (4) with Com1 and com4 sharing an IRQ (3) with com2. OS/2 will not allow this - gotta have unique IRQ's or one of the boards supported by SIO to share IRQ's. If there is no mouse on com1/com2, you might sneak by if you tell SIO what IRQ to use (com3,3e8,4) (com4,2e8,3). That used to work at lower speeds but I haven't tried it in a while. DD> (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the OS/2 WARP DD> Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally black background with DD> just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., displayed. Is this possible and if DD> so, how? RMB on the open desktop, properties->background and set what ever you want. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 15-Nov-99 20:25:01 To: George White 15-Nov-99 20:25:01 Subj: Re: Network George White wrote to Peter Knapper on 11-11-1999 GW> page 300 there is a section on AMI BIOS. Page 301, General Rules: GW> GW> "If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should be GW> 040990 or later for use with any operating system, including DOS. GW> Special timing requirements of IDE drives were accomodated on the GW> date noted. George, you miss a very large point here: if the BIOS will support the IDE drive enough to get far enough into the boot to load IBM1S506.ADD it doesn't matter WHAT the BIOS timings are - they are totally irrelevant from that point on. Hence the advice: boot the system and try it. If you can install, press on and don't look back. She's been running DOS/WIN on the machine so unless the drives are changed out it can obviously read the disk and probably hasn't read the IBM docs so it doesn't know any better. The same goes for the keyboard bios problems. I had one of who knows how many boards with out-of-date keyboard micros that failed. The rest chugged on. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 15-Nov-99 20:35:02 To: Zdravko Blagdan 15-Nov-99 20:35:02 Subj: OS/2 3 fixpack Zdravko Blagdan wrote to all on 11-15-1999 ZB> Trying to apply y2k fix to OS/2 v 3 (pure out of box) I ZB> dowloaded a few XR_W042.* text files. This is from ZB> XR_W042.RM1: ZB> ZB> 3.0.1 DEVICE DRIVERS REMOVED FROM FIXPAK FP40 is the last fixpak that will apply to Warp 3 unless you have a support contract from IBM and get special versions of the later fixpaks from IBM support (expen$ive!) or cheat and modify syslevel.os2. FP 41 an up are intended for Warp Server 4 ONLY. That said, FP40 has device driver updates and is rock solid. I would suggest that as the one and only you need to apply. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 15-Nov-99 20:43:03 To: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 20:43:03 Subj: Setup Linda Proulx wrote to All on 11-13-1999 LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> LP> Have an install question. (I know your thinking here we go again LP> ) LP> LP> I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other LP> stuff on another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work LP> around to do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to LP> wait until after I do all the jury rig? Would love to do it during LP> the original install & didn't see anything on the advance install. Assuming the alternate drive is formatted and accessible during install, continue the install to the point that you are instructed to reboot (or remove the floppy from drive A, etc) then hit F3 and go to the command line. Use TEDIT to edit config.sys to read like you want then reboot. If you can't catch it there, then hit ALT-F1 when the 'boot blob' (white square in the upper left of the screen during boot). Select the option to go to the command line and do the changes as above. It's less grief to just wait til the install is done then make all the changes at once with a subsequent reboot. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 14-Nov-99 12:08:00 To: All 14-Nov-99 12:08:00 Subj: Netscape416 I stumbled across this accidently. If one holds the mouse button down on the back/forward icons a popup history menu appears - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 14-Nov-99 18:22:01 To: George White 14-Nov-99 18:22:01 Subj: Missing Window control.. GW> The latest versions of Henk Kelders WPTOOLS package CHECKINI will GW> force a restart of the WPS at the end of a run with correction GW> enabled He's no longer at hobbes. Do you have an address. - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 17:37:10 To: All 16-Nov-99 03:46:08 Subj: Dos C drive Greetings, If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would OS/2 see it then. Anon, Linda ... 586, 32Mb 40ns RAM, 4Gb 2ms HD. Now Windows will beat DOS! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 09:41:14 To: Steve Wendt 16-Nov-99 03:46:08 Subj: DESKARC LIST [ This is a pr‚cis of a message in the TAUCMD echo. ] SW> DESKARC LIST produces no output here. About three months ago, I posted a question asking if anyone knew the internal structure of \OS2\ARCHIVES\ARCHIVES.$$$ . Once I know that, I can add code to DESKARC to pretty-print the information contained in it when the LIST option is used. Unfortunately, I've had no replies, and I don't have the time to sit down with a hex viewer and work out the structure of the file myself. If anyone reading this wants to do so, I'd be grateful. I gather that there are several people who are interested in the tools when they are finished but who don't have enough spare time to cope with the full cycle of installing and using pre-releases as I shovel them out, even though they would like to contribute something if they could. This is their chance. If they want to make a more modest contribution, one which won't be as demanding of their time, figuring out the structure of ARCHIVES.$$$ can be it. Let me know what it is, and I'll implement the LIST option of the DESKARC command. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 16-Nov-99 06:42:01 To: Stewart Buckingham 16-Nov-99 06:42:01 Subj: FixPak Follies (Excerpts from a message dated 11-13-99, Stewart Buckingham to Murray Lesser) Hi Stewart-- > Nonsense! Even assuming that FixPak 12 is bug free (which I doubt), > there is no value to me in applying a FixPak to a system that isn't > broken (as far as my usage is concerned) unless it adds new function > that I would find to be useful (which none since Warp 4 FixPak 5 have > done). You and RH may get pleasure from being able to brag that you are > operating at the highest Warp level. But I spent too many years being > paid to live on computing's bleeding edge to do it for fun. AFAIAC, the > tagline is still valid. SB>My memory may be failing, but I thought it was FP6 which made Warp4 >Y2K compliant. (However, it may have been FP5... in which case you >are alright). I think this may have been the concern of some of the >mail you have received. Other than that, I'm a firm believer in the >old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" (I've done it too many >times myself). IIRC, FixPak 6 added the Euro, and a few additional Y2k things. Mostly (AFAIK) two additional REXX functions to return 4-digit years when returning file dates. These are totally unnecessary, because there is a simple workaround to make 4-digit years out of the "standard" returned 2-digit years, that will work with both REXX pre-FixPak 5 and the later version. (It was easier with the pre-FixPak 5 version of REXX.DLL, but you know how FixPaks are.) In any case, the Y2K fixes were all for the OS/2 add-ons. Whether or not you need them, depends on how much of the OS/2 extra goodies you have installed. There is no problem with the OS/2 system clock; there wasn't any with Warp 3, either, even if you have the buggy BIOS. As the gurus say: OS/2 is not DOS! Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * If you don't know what you are doing, don't. --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 16-Nov-99 06:45:02 To: Jack Stein 16-Nov-99 06:45:02 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru (Excerpts from a message dated 11-13-99, Jack Stein to Murray Lesser) Hi Jack-- JS>BTW, I still find it hard to believe someone like you does not use >4OS2/4DOS. I read your message where you mentioned that, and had to >sit on my hands for 10 minutes now... not long enough I guess.... JS>Well, it was designed by, and for, command line finatics... > On the other hand, it's usefulness in OS/2 is not near what it was >in DOS, and it is expensive, and, it is no longer nice shareware, >but "crippleware", so I won't badger you about it, not that I think >for one moment I could talk you into it anyway:-) I guess I am just a software Luddite at heart; after all, I don't believe in Object Rexx, either :-). I thought I was explicit enough in my reply to Mike on why I don't use, nor like, third-party substitutes for CMD.EXE. As I said, if I want such "conveniences" I write them myself. I prefer dealing with my idiosyncrasies to dealing with someone else's. Too hard to remember the command language, otherwise. I don't believe in Partition Magic, or any of the WPS enhancers, either. But, you pays your money and takes your choice :-). Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Fidonet is almost like having a social life --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 19:30:20 To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06 Subj: Re: Clunker update Hi Linda, LP> Reinstalled the WIN. Voila working. Ok, will ignore any DOS/Win issues then... PK> - Is it FAT or HPFS? LP> HPFS. Put the swap on D FAT 16. Uhg....FAT!..;-( You have possibly just destroyed any gain you had by placing it on another drive. The Swap file performs best when - - It can be QUICKLY accessed! - It is written as ONE CONTIGUOUS AREA of disk. HPFS is excellent for a SWAP file, FAT is just about the worst place to store it. Put it back on the C: drive.... NOW!.......;-) PK> - How much FREE disk space does it have? LP> Sorry forgot. As long as your C: drive has plenty of room (say 100Mb BEFORE your SWAP file is placed there) you shuld be fine. JP> and won't read the DOS C drive PK> If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not PK> surprising. LP> In multiboot says it's hidden. How do I change this with the Fdisk. D LP> is fine. I dont know Multi-boot so others can probably handle this better. I suspect you may have to turn some of those Primary partitions back into Logical drives........;-( LP> Lost my inport mouse PK> It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into LP> It auto detected but it keeps disappearing & had to use the keyboard LP> to load down. That is a real oucher. Mine is an MS Buss mouse. If its disappearing after/while running a DOS/Win session, then you may need to investigate the DOS settings that relate to the MOUSE for the application that is having the problem. Sometimes DOS programs have the mouse driver built-in because a MOUSE is not always standard under DOS. When those applications run in a DOS box under OS/2, they are prevented from talking directly to the mouse, so you may need to "tweak" a setting to allow that specific application direct access. Caution: Sometimes this can be a rocky ride if the application fiddles with the mouse settings that then take affect in OS/2 (or other DOS) windows... You may need to play with this a bit to get it working ok, it really depends on WHAT the DOS S/W does to the mouse. LP> & hung playing a game. PK> What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not LP> respond to keystrokes LP> Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time. If this is also a DOS application, then you need to investigate the DOS settings. This one is tricky, there are a LOT of options and a slight change on one of them is all that may be needed to resolve this problem. Post details of the specific application and someone may be able to suggest some known settings. LP> And want to see the DOS C. LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment. PK> primary partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek PK> without a paddle, however some of the other folks here may be able to PK> provide a few tricks to resolve this. LP> I think Fdisk will fix this. After all I'm using Drive D. Just ansy LP> about playing with the DOS partition at the moment. I am now confused, I though OS/2 installed to drive C!!! If not, what partition is it seeing as C: ??? LP> But then it only has 6 MB PK> That should have no affect on the issues you have seen. PK> It will inhibit some things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)). LP> Stutter? Only if you run too much.......;-) At least you have a road to head down now, just watch out for the pot-holes BTW: What is the processor in that machine? Cheers..........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 20:28:13 To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06 Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall Hi Linda, LP> Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the LP> manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard LP> stop working needs an updated bios. Nope, once the OS/2 Desktop is visible, the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture and NO AFFECT on the Keyboard/Mouse. Your "problems" are nothing to do with the BIOS, they are just settings that need some tweaking for the offending applications! LP> How to uninstall now? You are making a big mistake if you uninstall on the incorrect assumption you have just made. In your case, the OS/2 partition is formatted HPFS, which is of no use to you now so you may as well just format it FAT. You will need to boot to DOS or OS/2 floppy to Format a partition that is "active" under OS/2 (EG the OS/2 boot partition). No Linda please dont do it, don't jump!.........;-) --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 21:53:29 To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06 Subj: Re: Clunker update Hi Linda, LP> Reinstalled the WIN. Voila working. Ok, will ignore any DOS/Win issues then... PK> - Is it FAT or HPFS? LP> HPFS. Put the swap on D FAT 16. Uhg....FAT!..;-( You have possibly just destroyed any gain you had by placing it on another drive. The Swap file performs best when - - It can be QUICKLY accessed! - It is written as ONE CONTIGUOUS AREA of disk. HPFS is excellent for a SWAP file, FAT is just about the worst place to store it. Put it back on the C: drive.... NOW!.......;-) PK> - How much FREE disk space does it have? LP> Sorry forgot. As long as your C: drive has plenty of room (say 100Mb BEFORE your SWAP file is placed there) you should be fine. JP> and won't read the DOS C drive PK> If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not PK> surprising. LP> In multiboot says it's hidden. How do I change this with the Fdisk. D LP> is fine. I dont know Multi-boot so others can probably handle this better. I suspect you may have to turn some of those Primary partitions back into Logical drives........;-( LP> Lost my inport mouse PK> It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into LP> It auto detected but it keeps disappearing & had to use the keyboard LP> to load down. That is a real oucher. Mine is an MS Buss mouse. If the MOUSE disappearing after/while running a DOS/Win session, then you may need to investigate the DOS settings that relate to the MOUSE for the application that is having the problem. Sometimes DOS programs have the mouse driver built-in because a MOUSE is not always standard under DOS. When those applications run in a DOS box under OS/2, they are prevented from talking directly to the mouse, so you may need to "tweak" a DOS setting to allow that specific application direct access. Caution: Sometimes this can be a rocky ride if the application fiddles with the mouse settings that then take affect in ALL other OS/2 (or other DOS) windows... You may need to play with this a bit to get it working ok, it really depends on WHAT the DOS S/W does to the mouse. Either way you should be able to get something working. LP> & hung playing a game. PK> What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not PK> respond to keystrokes LP> Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time. If this is also a DOS application, then you need to investigate the DOS settings. This one is tricky, there are a LOT of options and a slight change on one of them is all that may be needed to resolve this problem. Post details of the specific application and someone may be able to suggest some known settings. Have a browse around the DOS Settings, you will find a LOT of options availabe. Many of these allows you to tweak that specific application and these often can work wonders. If you need more help, then it would cetainly pay to indicate what the application name is (IE what the executable filename is). LP> And want to see the DOS C. LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment. PK> primary partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek PK> without a paddle, however some of the other folks here may be able to PK> provide a few tricks to resolve this. LP> I think Fdisk will fix this. After all I'm using Drive D. Just ansy LP> about playing with the DOS partition at the moment. I am now confused, I though you had OS/2 installed to drive C!!! If OS/2 is on D:, then what partition is OS/2 seeing as C: ??? Remember, if you quote drive letters, make sure everyone understands what OS you have booted that sees them as those letters, and relevant, also indicate how OS/2 sees them when its running... LP> But then it only has 6 MB PK> That should have no affect on the issues you have seen. PK> It will inhibit some things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)). LP> Stutter? Only if you try and run too much.......;-) At least you have a road to head down now, just watch out for the pot-holes. 6MB is not a lot of memory, so things will not be fast. BTW: What is the processor in that machine anyway? Cheers..........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 22:08:25 To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06 Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall Hi Linda, LP> Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the LP> manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard LP> stop working needs an updated bios. No, you are getting distracted again. Once the OS/2 Desktop is visible, then the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture and has absolutely NO AFFECT on the Keyboard/Mouse. The "stop working" referred to above refers to when the BIOS is in control of the Keyboard/Mouse during the initial boot process. Your "MOUSE problems" are nothing to do with the BIOS at all, they are just settings that need some tweaking for the offending applications! LP> How to uninstall now? You are making a big mistake if you uninstall on the incorrect assumption you have just made. If you still wish to remove OS/2, then OS/2 partition is formatted HPFS, which is of no use to you now so you may as well just format that partition as FAT. You will need to boot to DOS or OS/2 floppy to be able to Format a partition that is "active" under OS/2 (EG the OS/2 boot partition). No Linda, please dont do it, don't jump!.........;-) --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 16-Nov-99 22:26:03 To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 09:08:06 Subj: Re: Clunker update Hi Linda, LP> Reinstalled the WIN. Voila working. Great... PK> - Is it FAT or HPFS? LP> HPFS. Put the swap on D FAT 16. Uhg....FAT!..;-( You have possibly just destroyed any gain you had by placing it on another drive. The Swap file performs best when - - It can be QUICKLY accessed! - It is written as ONE CONTIGUOUS AREA of disk. HPFS is excellent for a SWAP file because space is allocated in bands, so files that expand in size are nearly always contiguous. FAT is just about the worst place to store a Swap file, because FAT fragments so easily (unless you force a pre-allocated Swap file of a fixed size on a recently compressed partition). Put it back on the C: (HPFS) drive.... NOW!.......;-) PK> - How much FREE disk space does it have? LP> Sorry forgot. As long as your C: drive has plenty of room (say 100Mb BEFORE your SWAP file is placed there) you should be fine. JP> and won't read the DOS C drive PK> If you are using multiple primary partitions then that is not PK> surprising. LP> In multiboot says it's hidden. How do I change this with the Fdisk. D LP> is fine. I dont know Multi-boot so others can probably handle this better. I suspect you may have to turn some of those Primary partitions back into Logical drives to do what you want........;-( LP> Lost my inport mouse PK> It probably can't autodetect one of those, you may need to go into LP> It auto detected but it keeps disappearing & had to use the keyboard LP> to load down. That is a real oucher. Mine is an MS Buss mouse. Ahaaaa. If the MOUSE is disappearing after/while running a DOS/Win session, then you may need to investigate the DOS settings for that session and check out the settings that relate to the MOUSE. Sometimes DOS programs have the mouse driver code built-in, because a MOUSE is not always standard under DOS. When those applications run in a DOS box under OS/2, they are prevented from talking directly to the mouse, so you may need to "tweak" a DOS setting to allow that specific application direct access. Caution: Sometimes this can be a rocky ride if the application fiddles with the mouse settings that then take affect in ALL other OS/2 (or other DOS) windows... You may need to play with this a bit to get it working ok, it really depends on WHAT the DOS S/W does to the mouse. Either way you should be able to get something working. LP> & hung playing a game. PK> What "hung"? In many cases a system that does not PK> respond to keystrokes LP> Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time. If this is also a DOS application, then you need to investigate the DOS settings. This one is tricky, there are a LOT of options and a slight change on one of them is all that may be needed to resolve this problem. Post details of the specific application and someone may be able to suggest some known settings. Have a browse around the DOS Settings, you will find a LOT of options availabe. Many of these allows you to tweak that specific application and these often can work wonders. If you need more help, then it would cetainly pay to indicate what the application name is (IE what the executable filename is). LP> And want to see the DOS C. LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment. PK> primary partitions on that drive, then you really are up the creek PK> without a paddle, however some of the other folks here may be able to PK> provide a few tricks to resolve this. LP> I think Fdisk will fix this. After all I'm using Drive D. Just ansy LP> about playing with the DOS partition at the moment. I am now confused, I though you had OS/2 installed to drive C!!! If OS/2 is on D:, then what partition is OS/2 seeing as C: ??? Remember, if you quote drive letters, make sure everyone understands what OS you have booted that sees them as those letters, and if relevant, also indicate how OS/2 sees them when its running... LP> But then it only has 6 MB PK> That should have no affect on the issues you have seen. PK> It will inhibit some things, but it should still run (walk.....;-)). LP> Stutter? Only if you try and run too fast.......;-) At least you have a road to head down now, just watch out for the pot-holes. 6MB is not a lot of memory, so things will not be fast, and dont open up too many windows just yet. Once you get a better feeling for how things are running you can tweak these and can end up with better settings for each of your DOS sessions, but it will take time and understanding to work it all out. BTW: What is the processor in that machine anyway? Cheers..........pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 15-Nov-99 19:13:00 To: ALL 16-Nov-99 09:08:06 Subj: "Paging Peter Knapper! .. Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Peter Knapper on 11-13-99 22:12 about "Paging Peter Knapper! ..... [snip] JDBP> runs of zero bytes. LX executables generally do not. (I say JDBP> "generally", because if they use Watcom C/C++ the linker doesn't JDBP> support compression, alas. This is a deficiency in Watcom's linker, JDBP> and an unfortunate example of the "jack of all trades, master of none" JDBP> adage.) This is, of course, visible in the comparative sizes of Win32 JDBP> and 32-bit OS/2 executables. [snip] FYI, folks, one needn't rely on the compression abilities of a linker in OS/2 to compress an executable. There's a utility called LxLite which you can use to compress or recompress an executable. It's important to note that there are two levels of compression in the LX format - code and data. OS/2 2.x only supports data compression, but Warp 3 and later supports both code and data compression. LxLite can be configured to do both or either. The best part is that it does a better job of compressing than any linker I've seen, including IBM's LINK386. It will also strip debug information from an executable, unless you tell it otherwise. Useful for released programs which the distributor neglected to link without the debugging info, usually increases the size of the executable by over 100%. One can be surprised by how much space is regained after running LxLite on every executable on a large drive. When I did it to my primary data drive, which is about 1.3GB of stuff in 50,000 files or so, I gained over 60MB. In general, LxLite decreases the executable size by 25% if it wasn't compressed at all (but doesn't contain debugging info - stripping debug info usually more than halves the size), and by around 10% over what's already been compressed by LINK386 with the /EXEPACK:2 switch. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Alzheimer's advantage - new friends every day. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 23:52:16 To: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 12:15:03 Subj: Re: Clunker update Greetings and Salutations, -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=- WH> You're gonna hear this a lot: One visible primary partition per drive WH> is visible (I told you so!). As for the printer, it will work as Epson WH> Generic 9-pin, Epson MX80 9-pin, Epson Generic pass-thru, or even the WH> IBM NULL printer. It sees the DOS C drive in fdisk. Wondering if I changed it from bootable to installable like I did with the E partition if it could be seen. Just a little afraid with that partition. E partition shows up as D on both OSes now. WH> Sounds like your in business - despite what Unleashed says about the WH> BIOS. You'll have to select the right driver for your brand of inport WH> mouse in all likelihood. 6 meg will be slow, tortuously so with WH> networking installed. By now you will have seen the later posts about AMI bios & my prob. Sigh. Anon, Linda ... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 15-Nov-99 23:55:24 To: Holger Granholm 16-Nov-99 12:15:03 Subj: Re: Clunker update Greetings and Salutations, -=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=- HG> Oh gosh, why did we talk at length about installing it on an extended HG> logical partition and using advanced installation and Boot Manager? HG> Totally wasted time! No it's not. The clunker was the test bed & I used all the info everyone posted. And it's not the good unit, just the old one. The total drive space at most is only 800 mb. And by now you will have read my "How do I ununstall it" post. Anon, Linda ... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:01:10 To: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 12:15:03 Subj: Re: file /query Greetings and Salutations, -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=- LP> Did the fdisk /query. Here is what it said. LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP> **BIOS: 504MB LP> Does this answer anything? MR> What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of MR> the partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can MR> be booted from. I haven't loaded Warp yet. Each hard drive can be booted from if necessary (in DOS) from their C partitions. MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't. Other that the double space drive, all are. Anon, Linda ... Forget love. I'd rather fall into chocolate. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:06:26 To: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 12:15:03 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Greetings and Salutations, -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=- MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military may MR> use his program. Call it misguided pacifism. His right. And I have a feeling that this has been dealt with already. Thanks for the answer, though. Anon, Linda ... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:16:03 To: Andy Roberts 16-Nov-99 12:15:03 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried. AR> Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some other AR> dearchiver to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you. PartList.exe is AR> in there. Oh................ It will work in DOS? Anon, Linda ... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:39:21 To: Dave Davidson 16-Nov-99 12:15:03 Subj: Re: More OS/2 Questions..... Greetings and Salutations, -=> Dave Davidson wrote to All <=- DD> As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up & running, DD> I'm DD> full of questions that I either couldn't find answers to in the manual DD> or DD> simply didn't understand. I have a feeling this is just the DD> beginning. We're both at the same place . Anon, Linda ... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 00:50:26 To: Mike Roark 16-Nov-99 12:15:03 Subj: Re: Thank you Greetings and Salutations, -=> Mike Roark wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP> run OS/2. Finally got a system that could run OS/2 and hate the LP> thought of Win9X. (But wait until I get my dream machine 8->. Linux LP> with EVERYTHING.) Can even think about the possibility of Ineting MR> The machine you are running Os/2 on will probably handle linux quite MR> nicely. True. But not the way I want to. Will need a PIII for the dream machine. It only took ten years to get this one. LP> And still am looking for a software sound driver. Don't want a sound LP> card just want the sounds . MR> What type of sound card? Don't have a sound card. Just want a sound driver like winspeaker to run sounds out of the computer speaker. Anon, Linda ... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 01:03:16 To: Andy Roberts 16-Nov-99 12:15:03 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=- AR> 99% of the time hardware is not a good reason to use M$, especially if AR> you read the OS2HW echo and make careful selections before buying new AR> HW. Often the difference in price between the very cheapest M$ only HW AR> that is usually slow and unreliable, is not enough savings in $ Just discovered a mess of new printers are Win9X only. P.O.ed me all to..... And in order to get anything comperable would have to pay $800.00 for Warp use. Sheesh. AR> Do yourself a BIG favor: don't buy nor even install a free gift of AR> WinXX, until long after you have been using OS/2 on a regular basis. I don't intend to actually. Even the short time I've used Warp am impressed and actually found easy to use (at the moment). Haven't hit the big stuff yet, though. And can see how well it will fit into the way I want to work. Just leaving options open at the moment. AR> FIRST. That will build up your immunity to becoming addicted to the M$ AR> virus. Then if you absolutely must have some M$ only software, at Have been immune from the first time I ever saw Windows. AR> If you have any thoughts of doing a comparison of M$ before you get a AR> very good handle on OS/2, then you will become so confused that it will Nah. I just see that there may be a possibility of needing it for a specific need occasionally. AR> could learn in a few months without M$. In other words it is much AR> easier to learn OS/2 if you don't have to UNlearn M$ first. Haven't learned it yet. Honest. And Warp feels very natural to me. Just a few mouse habits from 3.1 to unlearn, but no problem with it. Look forward to doing some serious stuff with Warp. Anon, Linda ... Been there, done that, too tired to look for the T-shirt. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 15-Nov-99 13:44:11 To: Daniela Engert 16-Nov-99 13:28:12 Subj: Suppressing popups? Hello, Daniela. -=> Replying to a message of Daniela Engert to Sean Dennis: SD>> I was using SUPRESSPOPUPS=C in my CONFIG.SYS to supress popup error SD>> messages in my system until I installed FP11 and now I get an SD>> "invalid statement" error upon bootup concerning that. Any ideas SD>> how or why that isn't working anymore? DE> It should read 'SUPPRESSPOPUPS=C:' I finally had the time to check that... I made that correction and also noticed that I didn't spell it correctly either... helps if I _SPELL_ the command correctly. :) Later, Sean --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: He who laughs last didn't get the joke. -=[ AH/2 ]=- (1:395/610) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jeffrey J. Counsil 16-Nov-99 00:34:09 To: Mike Ruskai 16-Nov-99 15:21:04 Subj: Re: file /query On Stardate 14 Nov 99 15:22:00, Mike Ruskai Communicated the Following To Linda Proulx, Regarding file /query... MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't. Sure it does.. Look at the starting cylinder.. ;-) MR> LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size MR> MR> LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 MR> LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 Looks like c: and g: to me are primary.. --- Renegade v10-05 Exp * Origin: Way Out There!...The StarPort 1-717-753-8120 (1:268/402) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 15-Nov-99 08:08:23 To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 15:21:04 Subj: Re: Installation problem Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Jack Stein: LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> Jack Stein wrote to Linda Proulx <=- JS> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Nick Andre: LP> I just read somthing that said the installer may have to LP> delete or rename autoexec.bak files. Is that there? Check LP> for the backups of autoexec/config files. JS> Autoexec.bat is a DOS file, not an OS/2 file. OS/2 does not create an JS> automatic executable file on install. If one is needed later, it uses JS> it's own auto executable called STARTUP.CMD. LP> True. But according to 'Unleashed' if there is a .bak or LP> config backup dos file, it can stop the original install. LP> That's what it says. That was a bug in WARP 3 that was there for one day, on the day of it's intial release. You could not buy, or it was difficult to find a copy of that, as they pulled it and fixed that on the first day. Don't believe everything you read in Unleashed. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 140/1 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jack Stein 15-Nov-99 08:50:28 To: Albert Sodyl 16-Nov-99 15:21:04 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. Albert Sodyl wrote in a message to Herbert Rosenau: HR> Hardware requirement for HR> WARP 3 WARP 4 HR> CPU I386 I486 (creeps on 386 too) HR> Memory 12 MB 16 MB (with Voice Type 24 or more) HR> Disk 250 MB 400 MB (including swapper.dat) AS> That's it, now I can forget about getting Warp 3 or Warp 4. AS> I'll stay with the ever crashing OS/2 2.1 :( Not certain what you are running, but I ran OS/2 2.1 for a couple of years on a 486/33 with 8 megs. It ran great, never crashed on me. I switched to WARP 3 ONLY because IBM gave me a free copy, and it has TCP/IP so works great with the internet. WARP 3 ran great on 8 megs also. Still run it on the same machine, but now have 20 megs ram, still runs great. I have WARP 3 BLUE, WARP 3 CONNECT and WIN95 installed on this machine. I never use WARP connect, and am thinking of installing WARP 4 on that partition, but, most people seem to think WARP 4 would be a bit of a pig on this vintage machine. They also said that about WARP 3, but were wrong about that. My 486 with WARP 3 blue is faster for many things than my P133 at work with WIN95 on it, and works a hell of a lot better. Anyway, I would not hesitate to put WARP 3 on a 486/33 with 8 megs. The memory is a bit small for real PIG gui apps like Netscape, MR/2 ICE and the like. Those monsters need as much ram, video and CPU as you can throw at them. 128 megs might be enough, a CRAY super computer would be more to there liking I suspect, but even then, they would stress the system I imagine. Jack --- timEd/2-B11 * Origin: Jack's Free Lunch 4OS2 USR 56k Pgh Pa (412)492-0822 (1:129/171) 140/1 278/111 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Fred Springfield 16-Nov-99 03:29:02 To: Jack Stein 16-Nov-99 15:21:04 Subj: PM Sessions JS> Fred Springfield wrote in a message to All: JS> JS> FS> I am running Warp 4 + FP10, here, and run all my rexx JS> FS> programs under Object Rexx. BTW, Object Rexx only works for JS> FS> me under Warp 4. The add-on version which IBM released for JS> FS> Warp 3, was never fixed to process dynamic data with the JS> FS> charin and linein commands, so I can not use it for JS> FS> communications input to my stock market data reteival JS> FS> programs. JS> JS> Fred, could you expand on this problem with Warp 3 and Orexx a JS> bit? I run OREXX under WARP 3 and everything seems to work with JS> it, although I don't really use much OREXX specific code. I did JS> find one problem with Lines function not working with Piped data JS> (do while lines()) but that was overcome using the streams() JS> function. Is this the issue you speak of, or is there something JS> else that doesn't work? This was the only problem I found with JS> OREXX running all my old CREXX code. Yes, that's the problem. I guess I need to be more precise in my terminology. I used the term dynamic data, but it really is referred to as transient data. And the problem whereof you speak also includes the chars() function which I was using to test for keypress activity. This was fixed in Warp 4 somewhere around FP6 or 7, but never in the add-on Orexx which was released for Warp 3. I was happy to see the Warp 4 get the fix, because I sent several e-mails to the IBM Orexx group in Germany before I got an acknowledgement of the problem, and then it took 1 1/2 yrs for the fix to finally come out. In the meantime, I had to use the standard Rexx to run my program. Fred þ KWQ/2 1.2i þ It only takes one success to make you a winner. --- ProBoard v2.16 [Reg] * Origin: RiverWorks * ProBoard Beta Site * V34+ * (1:282/4093) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Fred Springfield 16-Nov-99 03:29:02 To: Eddy Thilleman 16-Nov-99 15:21:04 Subj: PM Sessions ET> Hello Fred, ET> ET> 12 Nov 99 02:31, Fred Springfield wrote to All: ET> ET> FS> Also unfortunately, PMMail is not a candidate for this project, ET> FS> because there is no way to get it to do anything automatically upon ET> FS> opening, such as send, or fetch, the mail. ET> ET> PMMail does that just fine, it's in the "Account settings" under ET> the tab "Preferences". And PMMail honores the requested start ET> minimized: yes it starts minimized if you ask. PMMail has a fine ET> filter system to automate the handling of messages, PMMail can also ET> call external programs for this and this includes REXX files. ET> PMMail has also (in the account settings) fields (hooks) for REXX ET> files to call for "Message Send Exit", "Message Receive Exit", ET> "Custom REXX Send", "Custom REXX Receive"; and in the PMMail ET> settings under the REXX tab "Program Open Exit" and "Program Close ET> Exit"; all of which can be set to run in the foreground or in the ET> background. ET> ET> I use the OS/2 TCP/IP stack on OS/2 Warp 4 fixpack 9, works great! ET> :) ET> ET> Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ET> Thanks, Eddy. I guess I didn't look hard enough. I'll have to revisit this situation and re-evaluate the possibilities. Fred --- ProBoard v2.16 [Reg] * Origin: RiverWorks * ProBoard Beta Site * V34+ * (1:282/4093) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Roy J. Tellason 16-Nov-99 11:04:05 To: Rachel Veraa 16-Nov-99 18:26:17 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? Rachel Veraa wrote in a message to All: RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long RV> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files? Are you talking about going between machines, or what? Seems to me that if so, using ftp would be one way to do it. --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-838-8539 (1:270/615) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 15-Nov-99 23:45:02 To: Stewart Honsberger 16-Nov-99 18:26:17 Subj: Get Going Stewart Honsberger, 14-Nov-99 11:39:53, Stewart Honsberger wrote to Andy Roberts SH> 12 Nov 99 07:24, Andy Roberts wrote to Stewart Honsberger: Subject: Get Going SH>>> Just re-install the OS, and re-create icons for the neccesary SH>>> applications. AR>> You would not have to manually re-create the Icons nor even edit AR>> your config.sys etc, (and maybe not even reinstall at all) if you AR>> used: SH> The problem with a utility to save my WPS is the fact that the WPS SH> is typically the reason I'm forced to re-install. Exactly, that's why I suggested RoboSave and ShiftRun. Furthermore it backs up more than just the WPS. My last run saved 168 files or actually 302 files including the 134 EAs, which it also restores and attaches perfectly. SH> Restore the old WPS, get the problems back. If you have a problem with WPS, then there is no point is saving that as a backup, so it won't get restored. I only use RoboSave's Restore to put back a known good previous setup. Just before I run RoboSave again I copy my last previous 'save' to another dir: \Tools\RoboSave\ <=- Active for use with ShiftRun \Tools\rs-4Jul99\ <=- Previously was in RoboSave dir \Tools\rs-6Oct99\ <=- Previously was in RoboSave dir \Tools\rs-9Oct99\ <=- Previously was in RoboSave dir So if for any reason my active RoboSave 'saved' files are a problem, then I can simply copy a previously 'saved' version into the RoboSave dir again. Then reboot and use ShiftRun again. Furthermore by looking in the ROBOSAVE.LOG file I can see the file names of each individual file and it's new name, so I can manually copy/rename any particular file back to the way it was before. I doubt that I will ever have to reinstall or recreate an Icon again, no matter how bad things get. And even if I do reinstall to solve some problem that RoboSave/ShiftRun can not cure (which I've never found yet), then I can still use ShiftRun to recreate my previous setup with the new installation. This paragraph is getting a little off of the topic but it does show the power of RoboSave/ShiftRun along with with some other tricks. I had Warp4 installed on a primary C partition with about 50 custom Icons for my CMD files on my DeskTop. I made a Extended partition D and installed Warp4 from scratch just to have a quick backup if an emergency did occur. Of course that new installation did not have any of my Icons etc. So I made a copy of my entire \Tools\RoboSave\ directory that worked with C drive and manually edited the ROBOREST.CMD file to restore to the D drive instead. What that accomplished was to attach all the EAs as well as replace all the INI and RS and Config files. Then I manually edited all the INI and RS and Config files to change every instance of "C" drive/path to "D" drive/path. Some of that editing requires a HEX editor, so I don't recommend that for a novice. That editing sounds worse than it really is, since in most cases a sequential "Find and Replace" searching for " C " or " C:" and replacing with " D " or " D:" respectively, will catch almost every reference to the installation drive/path. In the end I had an exact duplicate of Warp4 working on C drive only this was working on D drive and had no reference to any file on C drive, yet worked with all my apps on all other partitions. Eventually I deleted my original Warp4 from C drive, since the duplicate on D drive had all my Icons and everything working. Needless to say I didn't have to mess with any obscure Config parameters nor reinstall any apps nor recreate any Icons to do all that, thanks to RoboSave/ShiftRun. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Daniela Engert 14-Nov-99 18:57:14 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 18:26:17 Subj: Get Going Hi Jonathan! Thus quoth Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Will Honea: JdBP> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify Build_Next_VolCB() and JdBP> Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-: JdBP> By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source), Process_Partition() takes the first JdBP> recognisable partition in the MBR that it finds, and Build_Next_VolCB() only calls it once JdBP> per MBR. JdBP> The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to take the JdBP> for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move it into both Build_Next_VolCB() JdBP> and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it along the way so that it doesn't exit prematurely any JdBP> more by removing the `found' logic, and make Process_Partition() take the current loop JdBP> index as an extra parameter instead. JdBP> Daniela ? What's wrong with the current logic? And - assuming you have both the tools and the sources available - why don't you just go ahead and try it yourself? Thinking about improving OS2DASD I'd rather like to support type 0F extended partitions to remove the hassles of the MICROS~1 idiosyncrasies. And, instead of changing the sources, finding a patch to do that is better IMHO because it most likely will work with future fixpacks as well. This is why I created a patch tool to overcome the over-64MB memory detection defect with new BIOSes instead of compiling a private version of OS2LDR: the patch works from old Warp3 fixpack levels up to Warp Server for e-Business regardless of the multitude of OS2LDR versions they use. bye, Dani --- Sqed/32 1.14/r01354 * Origin: Nachtigall/2,Nuernberg/Ger,+49-911-861319,Z19+ISDN (2:2490/2576) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Honsberger 16-Nov-99 12:32:04 To: Jack Stein 16-Nov-99 18:26:17 Subj: Get Going 12 Nov 99 22:14, Jack Stein wrote to Stewart Honsberger: SH>> OS/2 resides on a 300MeB partition right now, with apps, SH>> etc.. on seperate partitions. I've already had to re-install SH>> OS/2 once, and it was relatively quick and painless. JS> Are you running WARP 4? I was wondering how much disk space that JS> would require? I guess it depends a lot on what all you install, and JS> where your put some of the things. Pardon me - OS/2 is on a 400MeB partition, with 119MeB's free. That partition includes such extras as TCP/IP 4.1, HPFS386, and Fixpack 12 (which appears to add a few megs to your installation), and a 32MeB swapfile. The partition started out as 500MeB's, but when I saw that I had well over 200 free, I reduced it to give my apps more space. I've also had Warp4 installed on a 270 meg drive, with space left over for other applications. Just don't select such frivolous things as extra backgrounds, the games, etc.. Stewart Honsberger, blackdeath@tinys.oix.com ... Why do they call it a TV set when you only get one? -!- GOPGP/2 v1.23 --- Msged/2 TE 05 * Origin: Blackdeath BBS - Private (1:229/604) 266/12 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 03:54:00 To: STEWART BUCKINGHAM 17-Nov-99 00:27:02 Subj: Communicator Fatal Error Some senseless babbling from Stewart Buckingham to All on 11-13-99 05:22 about Communicator Fatal Error... SB> Hi, SB> I'm using Netscape Communicator 4.04 with Warp4 FP9 and Java 1.1.7. SB> Communicator was working fine but it is now failing to load with a SB> Fatal Error box "Unable to parse OS2PREF.JS. Exiting". Any ideas how SB> to remedy this error? The only time I've seen this problem is when Netscape doesn't know where it's located. It determines that from an INI entry in the OS2.INI file, which won't be there if you go back to an archive from before Netscape was installed, or re-install OS/2. If that's your problem, the following should solve it for you: /* Create Netscape entry in OS2.INI */ call RxFuncAdd 'SysLoadFuncs','RexxUtil','SysLoadFuncs' call SysLoadFuncs cdir=directory() parse arg dirname if dirname='' then do say '' say 'Usage: nsini.cmd ' say '' say 'dirname - location of Netscape' signal prgexit end check=directory(dirname) if check='' then do say '' say 'Directory '||dirname||' not found.' signal prgexit end if stream('ns.pkg','c','query exists')\='' then nsver='2.02' else if stream('ns40.pkg','c','query exists')\='' then nsver='4.0' else if stream('ns46.pkg','c','query exists')\='' then nsver='4.6' else do say '' say 'Directory = '||dirname say '' say 'The above directory does not appear to be where any version of' call charout ,'Netscape is located. Continue (Y/N)? ' ans=SysGetKey('noecho') ans=translate(ans) if ans='Y' then nop else do say '' say 'Aborting.' signal prgexit end say '' say '' say 'Unable to automatically determine the Netscape version.' say '' say 'Which version of netscape is installed?' say '' say ' 1) 2.02' say ' 2) 4.04' say ' 3) 4.61' say '' call charout ,'Press 1-3 for appropriate version: ' ok=0 do until ok ans=SysGetKey('noecho') if ans\=1 & ans\=2 & ans\=3 then nop else do ok=1 select when ans=1 then nsver='2.02' when ans=2 then nsver='4.0' when ans=3 then nsver='4.6' otherwise nop end end end end appname='Netscape' keyname=nsver keyvalue=dirname check=SysIni('USER',appname,keyname,keyvalue) if check\='' then do say '' say 'An error was encountered adding the Netscape INI entry.' end else do say '' say 'Netscape INI entry successfully added.' end prgexit: call directory cdir exit Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... But how do we know your the REAL Angel of Death? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 04:01:00 To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 00:27:02 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to David Randall on 11-13-99 19:33 about Re: FTP & Telenet... LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx <=- DR> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can choose DR> to use either or both. LP> But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS? Most BBS programs today seem to have the mailer built-in, but it wasn't always that way, and still isn't for some up-to-date BBS programs. That is, the front door is a separate program, which doesn't rely on a BBS at all. The most popular example is a program called FrontDoor, which I used to run a DOS-based BBS for about 6 years. There's a switch in the program for whether or not a BBS is being used, which just tells the program whether or not it should exit with an errorlevel upon receiving a call that ends up not being another mailer program. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... "Warp 3, Scotty... and close those damn Windows!" ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 04:11:00 To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 00:27:02 Subj: Install Some senseless babbling from Lee Aroner to Linda Proulx on 11-14-99 08:54 about Install... LA> A few suggested changes: > MAXWAIT=3 LA> On a fast machine you can change this to "2" Your machine isn't fast, so a maxwait of 3 is appropriate. That's the number of seconds before OS/2 looks for CPU-starved programs to increase their priority, so that they get a timeslice (eventually). > BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS LA> You may try adding a "/IRQ" after this...don't recall but I LA> thought that was the default in v3 /IRQ means to use IRQ-driven printing, rather than polled printing. Better performance, but useless if you 1) have allocated the IRQ elsewhere, or 2) are using a printer cable which doesn't have the ACK lines running through it (i.e. a cheap one). > BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD LA> Unless you have a Microchannel machine, REM this out Not necessarily. This driver supports more than just MCA floppy drives, including tape drives. You *probably* don't need it, but be wary. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... HAL 9000: Dave. Put down those Windows disks. Dave. DAVE! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 04:20:00 To: WILL HONEA 17-Nov-99 00:27:02 Subj: Missing Window control.. Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai on 11-13-99 14:06 about Missing Window control..... WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to WILL HONEA on 11-12-1999 MR> I haven't run into anything like what you describe, but since I'm MR> not entirely certain what you're asking, I can't say whether or not MR> the problem exists. I haven't had any programs have trouble seeing MR> directories which have had their contents changed, if that's close MR> to what you're getting at. MR> MR> I've also not used PRM for quite some time, due to a problem that MR> no other program experienced, which they couldn't duplicate, much MR> less fix. WH> This got several programs. Basically, when IBM started to maintain WH> the archive bit on directory entries programs that didn't properly WH> account for the archive bit would not see directories where the WH> archive bit was set. It wasn't an IBM error per se, just laziness and WH> sloppy coding on the part of some programmers but the result was WH> reasonably wide spread. It was enough of a nuisance that I ran a WH> script every few days to reset all the archive bits on all directories WH> since I could never tell what program would mess up next. FP 12 WH> reverted to the early behavior. Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison with FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field (my preference), etc. Pretty stupid. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit drinking. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 04:31:00 To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 00:27:02 Subj: Software question Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All on 11-14-99 20:11 about Software question... LP> Greetings, LP> Wonder if there was anything that runs on Warp that will either LP> receive a fax or transfer the call to voice mail. Another potential LP> option is to answer if a fax & not answer if not a fax. Warp comes with FaxWorks, which you can tell to answer the phone for a fax. As for transferring a call to voice mail, that's a very atypical use. A lot of companies do in fact use OS/2 for handling telephone traffic, but it's using specialized hardware, with OS/2 just controlling it. And finally, the only way to discern a fax call from a voice call is with multiring, which must be supported by your phone company. I don't know if FaxWorks can recognize different rings. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I jumped to a conclusion but hit a wall of fact on the way. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Sean Dennis 16-Nov-99 10:10:19 To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 01:00:19 Subj: FTP & Telenet Hello, MIKE. -=> Replying to a message of MIKE RUSKAI to LINDA PROULX: MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military MR> may use his program. Call it misguided pacifism. Then the author deserves what he gets then if he loses money to people not using it or running it cracked, IMNSHO. That has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. To everyone else reading this, please don't preach to me about my views. You won't get anywhere. Later, Sean --- FleetStreet 1.25 * Origin: It's a different party afterhours. .oO{ AH/2 }Oo. (1:395/610) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 14:58:06 To: Andy Roberts 17-Nov-99 01:00:19 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=- AR> Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some other AR> dearchiver to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you. PartList.exe is AR> in there. I went looking for the file. I copy all files dled to storage & I apologise but I can't find it. We had some mail problems here & I wonder if that got lost in that process. Anon, Linda ... Standard deviation?? Just who is the standard deviant?? --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 15:04:02 To: Holger Granholm 17-Nov-99 01:00:19 Subj: Re: Margin example Greetings and Salutations, -=> Holger Granholm wrote to Linda Proulx <=- HG> As you can see, I have it wrapping at 72 columns. HG> I have the same setting in my editor, QEdit for OS/2 and TSE for DOS. To be honest I don't know who's example I sent about the wrapping. This is my line wrap: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- If I get a message with lines longer I get the odd wrap. Just saying. I've received Emails that were almost unreadable because of the wrapping problem & massive code stuff. Anon, Linda ... Standard deviation?? Just who is the standard deviant?? --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 19:07:00 To: Mike Ruskai 16-Nov-99 19:07:00 Subj: "Paging Peter Knapper! . MIKE RUSKAI wrote to ALL on 11-15-1999 MR> FYI, folks, one needn't rely on the compression abilities of a MR> linker in OS/2 to compress an executable. MR> MR> There's a utility called LxLite which you can use to compress or MR> recompress an executable. Mike, there is one caveat that needs making: if an executable modifies itself in the process of registration you may or may not be able to apply updates to the program - depending on how the author has written the code. Peter Nielsen has just recently changed PMVIEW, for example, to allow updating over the compressed executable. Simple workaround is to un-compress before updating, but folks should be aware of the potential problem. The best use I've found for LXLITE is the boot disks made by BOOTOS2. You can almost get everything on. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 19:17:01 To: Ron Nicholls 16-Nov-99 19:17:01 Subj: Missing Window control.. Ron Nicholls wrote to George White on 11-14-1999 RN> He's no longer at hobbes. RN> Do you have an address. Hobbes has everything but the last revision. Try Kelder's home page: http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/ Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 19:23:02 To: Jack Stein 16-Nov-99 19:23:02 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. Jack Stein wrote to Albert Sodyl on 11-15-1999 JS> Anyway, I would not hesitate to put WARP 3 on a 486/33 with JS> 8 megs. The memory is a bit small for real PIG gui apps JS> like Netscape, MR/2 ICE and the like. Those monsters need JS> as much ram, video and CPU as you can throw at them. 128 JS> megs might be enough, a CRAY super computer would be more JS> to there liking I suspect, but even then, they would stress JS> the system I imagine. Just to carry this a little further, you would be amazed what plugging in a DX/2-66 does. If you make sure to get the 5 volt version, they can be had for a few bucks - I see them new for $5 or so. Plug and play - it's a really effective tweek. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 16-Nov-99 23:48:03 To: Mike Ruskai 16-Nov-99 23:48:03 Subj: Missing Window control.. MIKE RUSKAI wrote to WILL HONEA on 11-16-1999 MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison MR> with FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field MR> (my preference), etc. MR> MR> Pretty stupid. I traced the Post Road code and that's exactly what they did. I've got several years worth of this kind of crap collected in one of my YGBSM files - amazing what 'professional' programmers will do at times. My favorite was a set of utilities by a well known and respected software house. In C code, they were returning a pointer to an automatic variable which pointed to a memory location on the stack. char *routine(struct TIME *local_time) { char day_of_week[9]; ( some code ) return day_of_week; } When we reported it as a bug, their reply was: 'This routine is designed to be used only as a calling argument so the stack is not modified before the value is copied. for example: printf(file,"%s", routine( local_time)).' There were at least 30 of these little goodies in their commercial library and they absolutely refused to correct it - all the while admitting that the return pointed to out-of-scope non-allocated memory! So much for that vendor! Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 16-Nov-99 12:02:07 To: Will Honea 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... On (15 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Dave Davidson... Hi Will, WH> Odds on, you have com3 sharing an IRQ (4) with Com1 and com4 sharing WH> an IRQ (3) with com2. OS/2 will not allow this - gotta have unique WH> IRQ's or one of the boards supported by SIO to share IRQ's. If there WH> is no mouse on com1/com2, you might sneak by if you tell SIO what IRQ WH> to use (com3,3e8,4) (com4,2e8,3). That used to work at lower speeds WH> but I haven't tried it in a while. OK, this leads to a question that most probably belongs in OS2HW, but I'll keep it brief here. How come I can't seem to get the motherboard com ports working with OS/2 Warp 4? I always have to disable them and put in a serial card. Meanwhile, DOS and the dominant OS seem to see and work with them just fine. This has been the case with more than one motherboard, anything from a 486VIP to my current VA-503+. Is there a secret that I don't know about? Thanks, TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at. --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:15/64.4) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 20:30:00 To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Re: Clunker update Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Will Honea on 11-15-99 23:52 about Re: Clunker update... LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=- WH> You're gonna hear this a lot: One visible primary partition per drive WH> is visible (I told you so!). As for the printer, it will work as Epson WH> Generic 9-pin, Epson MX80 9-pin, Epson Generic pass-thru, or even the WH> IBM NULL printer. LP> It sees the DOS C drive in fdisk. Wondering if I changed it from LP> bootable to installable like I did with the E partition if it could be LP> seen. Just a little afraid with that partition. E partition shows up LP> as D on both OSes now. You seem to be missing the fundamental premise here. The way PCs were designed to function, only one primary partition per physical drive can be visible during any specific machine boot. OS/2 conforms to this design, so you can see one and only one primary partition per physical drive. Any other primary partitions on the drive will be hidden, and not accessible. The reason you're in the situation you're in is because you ignored all of the partitioning advice you received here, and instead let your "guru" do something that's not supposed to be done. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Never attribute to malice what can be explained by simple stupidity. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 20:33:00 To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Dos C drive Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to All on 11-15-99 17:37 about Dos C drive... LP> Greetings, LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would LP> OS/2 see it then. No. There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a word used by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact happening when you set a partition as "installable" is nothing. No changes to the partition are made. Nothing is written to disk. All that takes place is that FDISK exits with an errorlevel of eight times the drive number, where A=1, B=2, etc. This errorlevel is used by the installation program to determine which drive should be installed to. That's it. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I used to have a life, but I liked mail-reading so much better. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 20:36:00 To: LINDA PROULX 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Re: file /query Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai on 11-16-99 00:01 about Re: file /query... LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=- LP> Did the fdisk /query. Here is what it said. LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP> **BIOS: 504MB LP> Does this answer anything? MR> What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of MR> the partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can MR> be booted from. LP> I haven't loaded Warp yet. Each hard drive can be booted from if LP> necessary (in DOS) from their C partitions. No, that's not the case at all. The **BIOS: 504MB message up there means that your BIOS is not doing any translation for the second physical drive. There is also no disk manager program present. Because of that, no partition beyond the first 504MB of the disk can be read by the BIOS at all. Since the first partition on that drive is 1GB, neither it nor any after it can be booted at all, without turning on translation, and repartitioning the drive entirely. MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't. LP> Other that the double space drive, all are. Which means that you once again ignored the competent advice given to you in this echo, and have places yourself in a position where installing OS/2 will result in only one partition of drive 1 being visible. OS/2 may see all of the drives now, booted from floppy, but it will not work when you install Boot Manager. Why? Because Boot Manager will let you choose one and only one drive to boot from. If that drive is a primary partition, it will be given an appropriate type (type 0x06 in this case, indicating that it is a FAT16 partition greater than 32MB in size). All other primary partitions on the drive will be given the type 0x16, which is an invalid type, making the partitions hidden to OS/2 (and anything else, until the type is changed back to 0x06). So, until you partition the drives correctly, per the advice you've received several times over in this very echo, you will not be able to use OS/2 and see more than one partition on the first drive. The only possible exception is if you don't install Boot Manager at all, and install OS/2 on the first primary partition, leaving all other partitions as type 0x06. OS/2 may then see and use all drives, but you will be able to use only OS/2 and DOS on this machine, in a Dual Boot configuration. DOS, however, will not be able to see drives G: through J:, because they are all outside of the BIOS's ability to read. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... But how do we know your the REAL Angel of Death? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 16-Nov-99 20:45:00 To: JEFFREY J. COUNSIL 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Re: file /query Some senseless babbling from Jeffrey J. Counsil to Mike Ruskai on 11-16-99 00:34 about Re: file /query... JJC> On Stardate 14 Nov 99 15:22:00, Mike Ruskai Communicated the JJC> Following To Linda Proulx, Regarding file /query... MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't. JJC> Sure it does.. Look at the starting cylinder.. ;-) There is no cylinder information contained in the display. MR> LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size MR> MR> LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 MR> LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 JJC> Looks like c: and g: to me are primary.. That's not necessarily so at all. Consider this: 3 0000042f H: 2 07 0 0 2046 3 003ff84f I: 2 07 0 2047 973 **BIOS: 504MB This is what FDISK /QUERY says about my third physical drive. Both H: and I: are logical drives in the extended partition. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Be vewy vewy quiet. I'm huntin' WABBITS! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 16:46:05 To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Re: Clunker update Greetings and Salutations, -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=- PK> Uhg....FAT!..;-( You have possibly just destroyed any gain you had by E partition was not being used much & thought that the swap file might be overloading the OS partition. Both sizes are @ 200 Mb only. I don't know how much space the OS actually take or the space the bonus pack takes. PK> As long as your C: drive has plenty of room (say 100Mb BEFORE your SWAP PK> file is placed there) you shuld be fine. LP> Oh, it hangs. C-A-D won't even work. Little reboot button time. PK> If this is also a DOS application, then you need to investigate the DOS Os/2s mahjongg. LP> And want to see the DOS C. LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment. PK> I am now confused, I though OS/2 installed to drive C!!! If not, what PK> partition is it seeing as C: ??? When installing Fdisk made D partition drive C for OS/2. Dos Drive C partiton is considered hidden by multi boot but I made it as bootable in the setup & partition E as installable. Both OSes see E as D partition. PK> BTW: What is the processor in that machine? 386-25 Anon, Linda ... Forget love. I'd rather fall into chocolate. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 16:57:03 To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Re: OS2 Install/uninstall Greetings and Salutations, -=> Peter Knapper wrote to Linda Proulx <=- PK> No Linda please dont do it, don't jump!.........;-) Relax. It's the clunker's bios. May be getting the loan of a 486 board & will transfer everything over & check the difference. Anon, Linda ... Forget love. I'd rather fall into chocolate. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 17:00:21 To: Will Honea 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Re: OS/2 on old clunkers Greetings and Salutations, -=> Will Honea wrote to Linda Proulx <=- WH> across over the years. One is for what users have tried to do with WH> computers, the other is for the simply astounding crap I find in WH> supposedly professional code. I think that tight code has become a lost art. There were some benefits to not having massive amounts of memory handy. Anon, Linda ... Forget love. I'd rather fall into chocolate. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Charles Gaefke 13-Nov-99 22:21:14 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Re: win32 LP> Wondering if anyone has the latest copy of the win32 for the Win/os & LP> can send it to me. I hate to tell you this, but Win32 apps do not run under OS/2. The win32 "plugin" by the third party group works somewhat for some apps, but I really don't consider it to be win32 support. C. Gaefke cdgaefke@earthlink.net ... Have your dreams come true? --- Renegade 98-310 Dos/CDRMail v1.23.b1.1 * Origin: LOTL/2 * www.icubed.com/~cdgaefke (1:129/230) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 15-Nov-99 09:53:14 To: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hi Eddy, On 12-Nov-99, Eddy Thilleman wrote to Linda Proulx: JT>>> I doubt it will make a great deal of difference since OS/2 only JT>>> uses the BIOS for the initial system startup. It switches to JT>>> protected mode within a few seconds and the BIOS drops out of JT>>> the picture completely at that point. LP>> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp LP>> unleashed the minimum date is somewhere in 1990. ET> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 ET> Warp 3" or in the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book Page 300 in my edition, Warp 3 red, it's in chapter 20 "Special Hardware Considerations". George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 12:59:24 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru JdP>> (The output of PARTLIST, which I am hoping [...] LP> Have a post. Where is it ? ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 13:17:10 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: file /query LP> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP> LP> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP> **BIOS: 504MB LP> LP> Does this answer anything? It confirms my guess. Your guru has, for some bizarre reason, configured four type 06 primary partitions, which are thus all "visible" simultaneously. As I mentioned in a previous message, this scheme is incompatible with various operating systems (as Disc Administrator in Windows NT, which also lets one configure a disc this way, goes to great pains to point out). I'm giving your guru the benefit of the doubt by assuming that there is a valid reason for this arrangement, until I see his rationale. But I should point out that people have been combining multiple operating systems on a single PC over a decade now, and have certainly been doing what you want to do, which is to have OS/2, DOS, and possibly DOS-Windows on a single PC, for at least 8 years, and of the various FAQs, FGAs, HOW-TOs, and messages I have seen on the subject over the years, no-one has *ever* needed to have multiple *visible* primary partitions to get the job done. If there is a reason for what your guru has done, it must be a highly unusual one. But nothing you have said so far has indicated anything unusual enough to warrant this in your requirements. For what it's worth, I'll repeat the common solution (which one can find in many places, including the linux HOW-TO on this very subject): Have two primary partitions and one logical drive in an extended partition. The first primary partition is Boot Manager, and the second primary partition is a FAT volume holding DOS which will be given the drive letter C:. The logical drive in the extended partition is an HPFS volume holding OS/2, which will be given the drive letter D:. Boot Manager can then be configured to boot either one. If adding DOS-Windows 9x to this system, note that as standard DOS-Windows 9x installs in the same drive as DOS, the primary FAT partition, and uses a "musical chairs with the configuration files" scheme to allow one to select which of the two to boot. So one has a two-level boot. One chooses either C: or D: from Boot Manager, and if one chooses C: one then chooses either DOS or DOS-Windows 9x. If adding Windows NT to this system, note that even though the main body of Windows NT can be installed to any drive, and indeed should be installed to another logical drive in an extended partition that has been formatted as an NTFS volume, its boot sector and various boot files (NTLDR, NTDETECT.COM, BOOT.INI, NTBOOTDD.SYS) are, like those of DOS and DOS-Windows, located in the primary FAT partition, and it too uses a "musical chairs" scheme (albeit an entirely different one -- the joys of Microsoft "standards") to select which operating system to boot once one has chosen to boot from drive C: in Boot Manager. Because of the different "musical chairs" schemes, this results in a tri-level boot if one has installed DOS and DOS-Windows 9x as well. One chooses either C: or D: in Boot Manager, if one chooses C: one then chooses either Windows NT or the other two in NT's multiboot scheme, and finally if one chooses the other two one then chooses either DOS-Windows or DOS in DOS-Windows' multiboot scheme. (One can hand-edit this into a two-level scheme, by manually moving the last choice into NT's multiboot scheme. This doesn't happen as standard, though.) If adding linux to this system, simply create another logical drive in an extended partition and format it as an EXT2 volume and add it to the Boot Manager menu. Then install LILO in "partition boot sector" mode rather than "master boot record" mode. One then has three choices on Boot Manager: C: for the Microsoft operating systems (all of them), D: for OS/2 Warp, and E: (or F:, G:, or whatever, depending from how one has configured Windows NT and any additional non-boot data partitions) for linux. The important points here are that (a) there is never more than *1* primary FAT partition, (b) it is visible in *all* operating systems and given the same drive letter, and (c) OS/2 Warp, linux, and (most of) Windows NT don't need to be on the first physical disc at all, if needs be. Even drive lettering isn't a problem (as long as one doesn't use any other primary partitions anywhere else). DOS and DOS-Windows use the same lettering because they are both in fact the same operating system in essence, Windows NT can be told manually to assign individual letters to drives using Disc Administrator, OS/2 Warp has a third party utility that allows one to do the same, and linux ... doesn't use drive letters in the first place. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 13:18:08 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Get Going JdP>> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST [...] LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried. Download OS2CLU02.ZIP (or OS2CLU02.RAR) from your favourite files site (Andy Roberts also has it on his system). Unpack PARTLIST.EXE and OS2CLU02.DLL with UNZIP (or RAR), placing them somewhere accessible (such as a FAT partition on the hard disc). Boot OS/2 (if you aren't actually doing this from within OS/2). If you are booting from the installation floppies, shell out to the command line with F3 when prompted to do so. Run PARTLIST, redirecting the output to file. It was my guess that in the first MBR listed in PARTLIST's output, the primary MBR, you will have four FAT12/FAT16 entries. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 15-Nov-99 13:23:19 To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Clunker update PK> A later fixpak for Warp 3 added a facilty to better manage what is PK> called "Single Input Queue" lockups. *Synchronous* Input Queue. Repeat after me: "Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has been, and has always had multiple input queues, one per application thread. Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has been, and has always had multiple input queues, one per application thread. Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has been, and has always had multiple input queues, one per application thread ..." It's the fact that raw input is taken synchronously from the mouse and keyboard into the various *multiple* application message queues that is the problem. If it were taken asynchronously, there wouldn't be a problem. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 10:11:18 To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Multiple type 0X primary partitions JDBP>> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify JDBP>> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-: MR> [...] But I still don't see why it should be done. [...] The simplest reason is compatibility. Windows NT, linux, OpenDOS (a.k.a. DR-DOS), FreeDOS, and at least one other operating system can all recognise (and assign drive letters to) multiple visible (type 0X) primary partitions. In this respect, OS/2 Warp is less flexible than these other five operating systems. If it were just FreeDOS, say, that did this, one might argue that OS/2 need not be compatible with something that is clearly non-standard and specific to a minority operating system. But the fact that mainstream commercial operating systems such as DR-DOS and Windows NT *also* work this way tends to indicate that it is OS/2 Warp that is non-standard here. Indeed, based upon the fact that DR-DOS and Windows NT both work this way, and the fact that originally PC/MS-DOS didn't support extended partitions and *everything* had to be a primary partition, there are strong grounds for believing that MS/PC-DOS *also* accepts and recognises multiple visible primary partitions. It certainly would have had to do so in the past, before extended partitions were invented and people with large hard discs had to use multiple visible primary partitions to cover discs larger than 32MeB. I didn't include PC-DOS and MS-DOS in the list *only* because I don't have hard evidence, either from experimentation or from inspection of the source code, that it does support this. I suspect that PC-DOS and MS-DOS probably should be included in the list. This would make OS/2 Warp almost the only operating system that didn't support this feature, with all of the mainstream commercial PC operating systems in the other camp. It's certainly the logical thing to do. If I were writing an operating system, it would be how I would scan and process the partition table in my code. The primary MBR frequently has more than one non-zero entry in its partition table, often more than two non-zero entries. Having multiple entries is in no way unusual. There's really no reason why code that processes it *should* stop at any point short of examining all four entries in the table. (It is only by convention that secondary MBRs have only two non-zero entries. For maximum compatibility one would examine all four entries in secondary MBRs, too.) I think that there's actually a very strong case for this being a bug in OS2DASD.DMD that should be fixed. Daniela ? ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 10:12:20 To: James Mckenzie 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: AMI BIOS date JM> You could install more memory, OS/2 (and amazingly Windows) could JM> not "see" all of it. It's not that amazing. All operating systems, OS/2 and DOS-Windows included, make one or more calls to BIOS routines to query the amount of available physical RAM. DOS-Windows calls the EMS and XMS DOS drivers for the information, but they, in their turn, will have called the BIOS when they first initialised. Technically, the calls to supply information about memory over the 16MeB line are still, even today, classed as extensions to the standard BIOS API. It's unsurprising that an AMI BIOS dated 1989, which is around the time when such machines were becoming popular, might not have been updated yet to include the new (at the time) extensions. It's equally unsurprising that if those extensions weren't present in the BIOS, operating systems wouldn't "see" any more than 16MeB of RAM. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 10:13:29 To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: fdisk /query LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP>> LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP>> **BIOS: 504MB LP>> Does this answer anything? MR> [...] MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't. Er, Mike ? See all the "1"s in the Vtype column ? ... (-: The output of PARTLIST, when Linda posts it, will give the raw MBR contents, which should demonstrate even more clearly how many visible primary partitions she has. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 13:10:11 To: George White 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: DETACH GW> The IBM documentation says that DETACH should only be used for GW> programs that don't use the keyboard or the screen. As you've noticed GW> both EPM and VIEW both break this rule and both run happily... I suspect that *all* PM programs break this rule. The problem is that in reality there is no such thing as a "PM session", a "full screen text-mode session" or a "windowed text-mode session" in OS/2. The documentation speaks of them, and many books over the years, even going back to the days of OS/2 1.1, have discussed them. But this description is simply false. Sessions don't actually have types in OS/2. What sessions have are consoles. They either have a console, or they do not. Run [c:\]pstat /m | grep BVS These shared memory areas are the LVBs of the consoles for the various sessions that have them. Write a program to dump the contents of one of these shared memory areas, and you will be able to see what is being displayed on a particular console. Individual processes are what have the types. More importantly, the OS/2 kernel itself makes no distinction between different types of process (except to tell a process what its parent said that its type is when it is started up). The type of a process, whether it is a PM process, a full-screen text mode process, or a windowed process, is stored in the PIB in user space. The type is controlled by the parent process, and how it chooses to start the child process. Individual processes inherit the same type as their parent process (and are made a member of the same session) if started by DosExecPgm, or are given a new type (and made a member of a new session) if started by DosStartSession. The one exception to the rule is the EXEC_BACKGROUND flag to DosExecPgm. If this is used, the process inherits type 4 (which, strictly speaking, means that it is a Virtual DOS Machine!) rather than the same type as its parent. It is still made a member of the same session, however. What happens with Presentation Manager is that the PM DLLs, when they first initialise, look in the PIB. If they see a process type that they *like*, they return success from functions such as WinCreateMsgQueue. In the OS/2 architecture there is, in fact, no underlying reason why processes in any session cannot link to Presentation Manager and use it to display graphics. It is simply the case that Presentation Manager *refuses to work* if it finds itself running in a process whose type it doesn't like. And it turns out that the check that Presentation Manager uses is not "if pib->pib_ultype == PM", but rather "if pib->pib_ultype != VIO_FS && pib->pib_ultype != VIO_WINDOWED". So, ironically, a process started with DETACH, (whose type is set to "VDM", remember) can quite happily use Presentation Manager because of a bug in the code in PM that checks for the process type! To be honest, I don't see any reason for keeping this check in PM, and I wish that IBM would remove it. It's a kludge that tries to create, with smoke and mirrors, the effect that there are different "types" of sessions when in fact there aren't. OS/2 Warp would be much more useful *without* this kludge, because programs could then use a combination of PM and text-mode if they wanted to. A PM program started from the command line could write messages to its standard output and have them appear in the text-mode window that it was started from, rather than have them simply disappear into the ether as is the case right now. Indeed, you can see this in action with the 32-bit CMD. The 32-bit CMD always uses DosExecPgm to run programs, which means that they inherit the same program type as the command interpreter itself and are started in the same session attached to the same console. (To run a program with a *different* type, one uses the START command, which is a wrapper around the DosStartSession system API function.) If you start up VIOCMD as a text-mode program, and then run PMCMD directly by just typing its name in, PMCMD will inherit the process type "text" from VIOCMD. PMCMD tries to initialise Presentation Manager, sees the error code when PM refuses to initialise because it objects to programs with the "text" type, and prints a message to standard output and exits: [C:\]ver VIOCMD 0.0.3 CMDAPI 0.1.24 OS/2 2.40.0 [C:\]pmcmd CMD0030: The main application window could not be loaded [C:\] If Presentation Manager didn't have this check in it, PMCMD would actually be able to display graphical windows as normal, *as well as* be able to print messages to its standard output and have them displayed on the session's console. There wouldn't be this artificial distinction between "text mode programs" and "graphical programs". There would just be programs, which could choose to use the session's console to display a textual user interface or choose to use the Presentation Manager graphics library to display a graphical windowing user interface, or even choose to do both. Ironically, the fact that there's no difference between "text mode" and "graphical" programs on UNIX is touted as one of its advantages over OS/2. Behind the scenes, we find that this is in fact true of OS/2 Warp as well, but that a stupid kludge in the initialisation of Presentation Manager where it explicitly refuses to work if it doesn't like the program type stored in the PIB is hiding this fact from us. The kludge should be removed, in my view. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: TAU ain't Unix (1:109/921.70) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 13:15:26 To: George White 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: DETACH JdBP> OS/2 Warp would be much more useful *without* this kludge, JdBP> because programs could then use a combination of PM and text-mode JdBP> if they wanted to. Of course, when one remembers that Presentation Manager was originally co-written by Microsoft in OS/2 version 1.2, and that (a) there was a big push for programs to be *solely* graphical when PM first appeared, and (b) Microsoft Windows didn't (because of massive architectural problems in the design) allow programs to use both textual and graphical user interfaces, one wonders how much this kludge was implemented *solely and specifically* in order to prevent programmers from doing exactly this on OS/2. After all, it nannys the OS/2 programmers into not writing combined textual/graphical programs, and it prevents an embarrassing deficiency in DOS-Windows from being shown up by OS/2 by artificially making OS/2 have the same deficiency. One wonders. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 16-Nov-99 13:26:18 To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: fdisk /query LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP>> LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP>> **BIOS: 504MB It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK. This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical drive that aren't assigned to any partition. The irony is that with the scheme chosen by Linda's guru, this space is completely unusable, since no more partitions can be created on the disc. (Although one wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short like this. Perhaps a side effect of creating the partition using a hex editor on the partition table and doing the arithmetic incorrectly ? (-:) ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 16-Nov-99 20:29:10 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Install LP> IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C /CACHE depends on your RAM size. If you have 16 or more MB RAM set it to 2048 12 1024 8 512 Make your D: to HPFS too and then change the /AUTOCHECK:CD LP> FILES=20 Should at least 90 LP> SWAPPATH=d:\ 4096 10240 20480 10240 LP> THREADS=256 512 LP> BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS BASEDEV=PRINT01.SYS /IRQ REM BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD DOS=HIGH,UMB LP> Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general LP> data directory for all the program. set DPATH=.......... LP> But then haven't had a chance to do a lot of playing yet. On WPS a program searches itself (and its DLLs on ints start path or if you set Working directory to another then it looks there. --- Sqed/32 1.15/development 3: * Origin: TITANIC .. HINDENBURG .. CHALLENGER .. WIN95 (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 08:42:18 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: FTP & Telenet Hello Linda, 13 Nov 99 10:01, Linda Proulx wrote to Albert Sodyl: AS>> Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest AS>> version of ZOC and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better AS>> in my opinion. LP> Is it Y2Ked? Wonder what the newest version is. I would think so, but I'm not sure. I've v3.12 here, I don't know if this is the newest version, I'll have a look sometime. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... I've argued before many judges of this state. Often as a lawyer! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 09:34:07 To: Mike Ruskai 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: Win9XX Question Hello Mike, 13 Nov 99 00:18, MIKE RUSKAI wrote to EDDY THILLEMAN: MR> That'd require a different primary partition on the boot drive, which MR> means shifting drive C:'s, something I never recommend. If all the operating systems were placed on their own primary partition, all on the first harddisk, the C: drive letter only shifts to the operating system which is booted, other partitions have their same drive letters if all operating systems recognize and can use all logical partitions, but if all the logical partitions which are recognized by all operating systems are placed as first logical partitions (behind all the primary partitions) followed by the logical partitions which are recognized and usable in some but not all operating systems. For example if one has only one harddisk (note: this is not my own setup, it's just an example): 1st primary partition: Boot manager 2nd primary partition: DOS (FAT) 3rd primary partition: win98 (FAT or FAT32) 4th primary partition: is in use as extended partition for 1st logical partition: FAT partition (for data, for exchange of data between the operating systems) 2nd logical partition: FAT32 partition (only usable in win98) 3rd logical partition: HPFS OS/2 boot partition 4th logical partition: HPFS partition (only usable in OS/2) Ofcourse, multiple harddisks gives much more possibilities. But for beginners that can be confusing. ET>> So System Commander does something like OS/2 Warp 4 does with ET>> dual boot when a DOS version and OS/2 Warp 4 are both installed ET>> on the same primary C: FAT-partition? Can't System Commander use ET>> different boot partitions (or you didn't mention that)? MR> Yes, and yes. So System Commander can also boot each operating system from its own boot partition without reshuffling boot files around? Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... OS/2: Windows with bullet-proof glass. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 15-Nov-99 09:37:06 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 03:41:04 Subj: OS/2 on old clunkers Hello Linda, 13 Nov 99 11:48, Linda Proulx wrote to Will Honea: LP> There are advantages to being part of an archane department..... Something like "you're the only one-eye-king in the land of blind" ? ;-) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Impossible: (verb) Having sex standing up in a hammock. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 00:00:00 To: All 17-Nov-99 00:00:00 Subj: Ftp Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com' recently. I get a strangely broken up root list with no access to any dir even with full drwx permission. Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub . Other sites behave normaly, very strange. I am using ftp-pm and this started when I went looking for java 118 having seen fixes for same but informed by soft ware choice that it is not released yet. - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 00:00:01 To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 00:00:01 Subj: Tutorial PK> For Warp 4, start at WarpCentre ==> Information ==> Tutorial. PK> Also try OS/2 System ==> Warpcentre ==> Information ==>Tutorial, PK> and OS/2 System ==> Welcome PK> Seems I failed to include it in the last install. - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 16-Nov-99 16:11:00 To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 16:11:00 Subj: Setup (Excerpts from a message dated 11-13-99, Linda Proulx to All) Hi Linda-- LP>Have an install question. (I know your thinking here we go again ) LP>I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other stuff >on another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work around >to do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to wait until >after I do all the jury rig? Would love to do it during the original >install & didn't see anything on the advance install. The swap file and the TMP file locations are assigned in CONFIG.SYS. AFAIK, you have to install first, and then modify CONFIG.SYS to meet your needs. Do not forget to delete the corresponding files from their default locations, as OS/2 will leave them sitting there, unused but taking up directory space (the unused SWAPPER.DAT will take up real file space!). Since the TMP file is mainly a data file, it is better not to have it on the boot drive. The rule of thumb is that SWAPPER.DAT should be in the most-used partition of the least-used physical drive, for minimum "seek" time. It is probably best to put the print spooler file in the same partition, but remember that they both may grow and contract. (To move the default Spooler location, see page 632 of your "OS/2 Warp Unleashed.") When "empty," the SPOOL directory contains only EAs. If you do have the two files in the same partition, be sure and have enough empty space on that partition to allow for them both growing at the same time! (IIRC, you have very large partitions. If you follow the performance rule of never having a write-active partition more than about 80% full, you shouldn't have any trouble.) By all means, if you have HPFS partitions, do not put SWAPPER.DAT nor the Spooler in a FAT partition. LP>Anon, LP>Linda LP>Anon, LP>Linda There you go again, doubling up :-). Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Fidonet is almost like having a social life --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 16-Nov-99 19:45:02 To: Linda Proulx 16-Nov-99 19:45:02 Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall (Excerpts from a message dated 11-14-99, Linda Proulx to All) Hi Linda-- LP>Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the >manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard >stop working needs an updated bios. LP>How to uninstall now? The easy way is to reformat the boot drive. Of course, if you've got anything in the boot drive other than what the installation program put in it, this isn't a very useful solution :-( (There's a moral in here, somewhere!) I don't know about Warp 3, but in the Warp 4 boot-drive directory \os2\install\bootdisk\ there is a file OSDELETE.EXE. I've never tried it (I suppose that I could, because I have a recent backup of my boot drive, but I won't), but if you can find it and are desperate, you might see what it will do for you. LP>Anon, LP>Linda LP>Anon, LP>Linda Recently, you have doubled your signature :-). Are there two of you, these days? Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Watching for speed bumps on the Information Highwy --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Roy J. Tellason 17-Nov-99 00:17:17 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14 Subj: Thank you Linda Proulx wrote in a message to Mike Roark: MR> What type of sound card? LP> Don't have a sound card. Just want a sound driver like LP> winspeaker to run sounds out of the computer speaker. This is a _bad thing_. I used to run that win-thingy under 3.1, and they warn you in the docs that when it's running, when it's generating a sound out of the pc speaker, _all other interrupts are disabled_. This really isn't something you want to do under a multitasking operating system. It can screw up all sorts of stuff. Sound cards used to be a big deal, but these days you can pick up a generic cheap unit for around $10-15, I think I paid $15 for one this past spring, and it works fine under OS/2. You should either consider making that minimal investment (or look into picking up a used one from somebody who's upgrading their system), or forget about sounds other than simple beeps coming from the speaker. --- * Origin: TANSTAAFL BBS 717-838-8539 (1:270/615) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Claie Danes 17-Nov-99 16:27:00 To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 07:57:14 Subj: dos games under Warp 4 WELL MAYBE YOU SHOULD MAKE THEM NOTICEABLE --- * Origin: RemoteAccess (64-3-3493236) V32B V42B CHCH,New Zealand (3:770/116) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Claie Danes 17-Nov-99 16:41:00 To: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 07:57:14 Subj: Tutorial HAVE YOU TRYED LOOKING YOUR HARD DRIVE --- * Origin: RemoteAccess (64-3-3493236) V32B V42B CHCH,New Zealand (3:770/116) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00 To: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 07:57:14 Subj: AMI BIOS date In a message to Linda Proulx, Eddy Thilleman wrote re: AMI BIOS date LP> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp unleashed LP> the minimum date is somewhere in 1990. ET> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd edition) ET> publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ET> ISBN 0-672-30545-3 ET> ET> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have a date ET> somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell where I can find ET> it in this book if it's in there. I found it in my copy of Warp Unleashed Deluxe Edition on page 46: ROM BIOS Problems: If you see either a SYS2025 or SYS2027 error message and your computer has an AMI BIOS, check the BIOS date. In general, the BIOS should have been manufactured in 1990 or later [...] ET> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp 3" or in ET> the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book. I found a little on this problem in the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp [v3]" in Chapter 19 (Troubleshooting), starting on page 315 in my manual. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14 Subj: FTP & Telenet In a message to Larry Snider, Linda Proulx wrote re: FTP & Telenet LS> SIO is a Serial Input/Output communication driver for OS/2 created by LS> Ray Gwinn. His web site is gwinn.com. I've been using it for years. LP> isn't he the author of X00 ? Yes. So he knows what he's talking about when writing comm drivers and fossils. SIO was pretty much a necessity for high-speed (ie 9600 baud or higher) serial communications when using OS/2 v2.x. Warp v3 and v4 addressed many of the deficiencies in the v2 stock comm driver, but SIO still has many features that make it worthwhile, including a "virtual fossil" for those who need to run DOS BBS software under OS/2. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14 Subj: Get Going In a message to Jonathan de Boyne Pollard, Linda Proulx wrote re: Get Going JdP> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST (which can be run from the LP> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried. It's part of Jonathan's excellent "OS/2 command line utilities" package, available from hobbes.nmsu.edu * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00 To: Andy Roberts 17-Nov-99 07:57:14 Subj: Get Going In a message to Linda Proulx, Andy Roberts wrote re: Get Going AR> I exposed my wife to computers a couple of decades ago with an Epson QX-10 AR> and ValDocs which had a GUI (better than WinXX has now) and allowed long file AR> names, which she got addicted to. Good grief! Another Ex-QX user! I just retired my last QX-16 this past July, not because of any problems (it still works fine) but just because my son needed something a little more modern for his school work. But a couple little nit-picks. The Valdocs environment wasn't a GUI, it was text-based (except Valpaint). But it was still quite unusual, especially for a Z80-based system, in that it used multiple text windows on the screen. Ie, when you popped up a menu, it actually appeared in a separate text window that scrolled up from the bottom of the screen. And it was probably the first truly integrated environment, with word processing, spreadsheet, paint, graphs, mail, etc. all transparently integrated with each other. It's a shame it died so soon. And the "long file names" weren't really. They were descriptive pointers that used the Valdocs indexing system to refer to the real file names, which were typical CP/M 8.3 file names of the form 881031A1.VAL * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 16-Nov-99 19:58:00 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14 Subj: Internet (was File System In a message to Eddy Thilleman, Linda Proulx wrote re: File Systems ET> paid) internet account. These days, you can get a free internet account ET> (commercials are paying your account). LP> And how to get that in Winnipeg? Warp v3 comes with 30 days free access to the IBM Global Network (now called "ATT Globalnet"). My phone list shows an access number in Winnipeg: (204)934-6301 Canada MB Winnipeg (V.34) * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Paul Hildebrandt 15-Nov-99 16:16:26 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 07:57:14 Subj: Software question Hello Linda! 14 Nov 99 20:11, Linda Proulx wrote to All: LP> Wonder if there was anything that runs on Warp that will either LP> receive a fax or transfer the call to voice mail. Another LP> potential option is to answer if a fax & not answer if not a fax. Binkleyterm has adaptive answering capabilities. You need to get BGFAX to take your fax calls and some sort of answering machine program to record voice. Paul --- GoldED/2 2.42.G1219+ * Origin: The Paintballers' BBS ----* (1:153/870) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 22:20:27 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 08:21:07 Subj: Re: Clunker update Hi Linda, LP> Os/2s mahjongg. Ouch... that is VERY unusual... Is anything else running when this happens? LP> And want to see the DOS C. LP> During the Fdisk I didn't want to play with the DOS C. I think I LP> assigned it as bootable but can't remember at the moment. Ok, now I see how that is happening there is no easy solution for that situation. I would recommend that you re-partition into 2 primary and the rest logical. 1 Primary is for Boot Manager, the other for DOS/Win. Once Boot Manager has passed control to the OS you are starting the Boot Manager partition is out of the picture. Cheers............pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: === NZCC Maxie BBS. Ak, NZ +64 9 444-0989 === (3:772/1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 16-Nov-99 18:47:09 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 14:25:12 Subj: Re: Get Going Linda Proulx, 16-Nov-99 00:16:06, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts Subject: Re: Get Going LP>> See my post. But PARTLIST is not a command. I tried. AR>> Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some AR>> other dearchiver to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you. AR>> PartList.exe is in there. LP> Oh................ It will work in DOS? No. Native OS/2 only. Either from what you installed or from the floppy boot command line. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 16-Nov-99 18:52:05 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 14:25:12 Subj: Re: Get Going Linda Proulx, 16-Nov-99 01:03:33, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=- Subject: Re: Get Going AR>> 99% of the time hardware is not a good reason to use M$, AR>> especially if you read the OS2HW echo and make careful selections AR>> before buying new HW. Often the difference in price between the AR>> very cheapest M$ only HW that is usually slow and unreliable, is AR>> not enough savings in $ LP> Just discovered a mess of new printers are Win9X only. P.O.ed me LP> all to..... It's been that way all this year. Very sad situation. LP> And in order to get anything comperable would have to pay $800.00 for LP> Warp use. Sheesh. Compromise. Look very carefully on the IBM Device Drive Pak site for drivers BEFORE you buy. Try to find a slightly older printer at an auction. Many of the older Epsons printers do have OS/2 drivers. Actually there are over 1300 printers that have OS/2 drivers. Just not the new WinPrinters. AFAIK there is only 1 WinPrinter that has OS/2 drivers. That is the Lexmark 5700 Color InkJet (or it's newer replacement). From experience, it can be forced to work under OS/2, but the driver has many bugs and the printer is very slow. The Lexmark false advertisement boasts speeds it could only get if it only printed 1 character on an otherwise blank page. 1 full size color page could easily take over 20 minutes to print with a lot of CPU and RAM power. I bought that printer for my sister-in-law mostly because it has 1400DPI. The best thing I can say about that printer is that it can be had for under $200. Personally I can do without color, so my HP4L is very satisfactory. Those are old now, but they were commercial quality, so they will last a long time. The print quality and speed are great. The large powered ink cartridge will last about 2-3 years or a full case or more of paper. I also have a HP DeskJet 340, which is color but only 300DPI, which makes photos look like newspaper print. I don't use this at all anymore. The little liquid ink cartridge (typical size of many new printers) will only do about 200 pages maximum if used very quickly. If it is only used once in a couple of weeks, then it will dry out or clog up long before you get 50 pages out of it. That works out to about $1 per page. Just a few days ago I saw an auction for the Epson Stylus Photo 700, which also has 1400DPI. There were about 40 of them that had been refurbished. I did find OS/2 drivers for it. A few hours before the end of the auction they were still going for a lot less than $100. Unfortunately I did not get back right before the auction ended, so I don't know what they finally went for. From my experience this year, Printers are by far the hardest component to find top quality, new, OS/2 drivers, and a reasonable price. You can leave out any 1 of those 4 specs, and find something. But IMO the printer industry at large has opted to make very poor quality WinPrinters in such large quantities as to overwhelm the market. I spent months searching the web and weeks on the phone to many suppliers and a whole day just talking with Epson and HP. In the end I had to compromise. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 17-Nov-99 07:52:29 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 15:39:14 Subj: Re: Get Going Linda Proulx, 16-Nov-99 14:58:12, Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts LP> -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=- Subject: Re: Get Going AR>> Use Info-Zip UnZip or the -d (subdirectory) option with some AR>> other dearchiver to install OS2CLU02.ZIP that I sent to you. AR>> PartList.exe is in there. LP> I went looking for the file. I copy all files dled to storage & I LP> apologise but I can't find it. We had some mail problems here & I LP> wonder if that got lost in that process. I'll send you both Info-Zip and OS2CLU02.ZIP right now. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: OS/2: penthouse. DOS: poorhouse. Windows: outhouse. (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Angelico 15-Nov-99 22:58:00 To: Holger Granholm 17-Nov-99 19:18:20 Subj: Warp 3 install On 09/11/1999, Holger Granholm said to Jack Stein about Warp 3 install: HG> HG> JS>gawk2156.exe | 126484| 3/17/95|12:3 HG> HG> JS>12k is not what I would call a space filler for a hard drive. One HG> JS>reason it is so small, yet so powerful is it also uses EMX, like all HG> JS>good UNIX ports. HG> HG> If I read the above number correctly it is ca. 123.5 kb, not 12 k. HG> However, I agree that even 123.5 kb isn't too bad. HG> Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was that program I wrote way back when...." John Angelico Co-convener, OS/2 SIG Melbourne PC User Group also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Desk: A very large wastebasket with drawers. --- * Origin: Melbourne PC User Group BBS (3:633/309) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Angelico 15-Nov-99 23:19:01 To: Fred Springfield 17-Nov-99 19:18:20 Subj: PM Sessions On 12/11/1999, Fred Springfield said to All about PM Sessions: Howdy Fred. FS> FS> Unfortunately, Post Road Mailer did not honor the requests from either FS> of these methods, so nothing will work for PRM. Also unfortunately, FS> PMMail is not a candidate for this project, because there is no way to FS> get it to do anything automatically upon opening, such as send, or FS> fetch, the mail. Sorry to have to unsettle you but my PMMail/2 v2.10.1999 does EXACTLY that and has done since umm v1.53 I think. It's an Account setting not a Program setting ie each account (you can have multiples in PMM/2 - another reason use it) can be specified as Fetch on Open, Send After Fetch AND action on a timer (mine is set to 300 seconds = 5 mins to prevent my dialup account from throwing me off through inactivity). THEN you can have REXX pre- and post- actions (on prog open and close) plus ... I could consume a heap of bandwith extolling PMM/2. I suggest that you check it out again. FS> FS> John Angelico Co-convener, OS/2 SIG Melbourne PC User Group also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X COBOL: "Compiles Only Because Of Luck." --- * Origin: Melbourne PC User Group BBS (3:633/309) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Paul Sanders 17-Nov-99 21:45:14 To: All 17-Nov-99 19:18:20 Subj: Warp3 to Win98 lan Hi All, I have an OS/2, warp 3.0 connect system, my wife has a Win95 system. we have just bought a new system, running Win98SE. In the win95 system we had two 6.5gig hard drives which we have now installed into the new Win98 system. The problem now is that my OS/2 system reports that there is no free space on these two drives (each drive is a single fat32 partition) While the drives were in the Win95 system, OS/2 reported the amount of free space remaining, and both drives still have at least 1.5gig free. How can we once again have my OS/2 system see that there is still free space on the drives ? cya later, Paul ... Stupidity is NOT a handicap. You'll have to park elsewhere. --- Ezycom V1.49b2 00F90034 * Origin: Afraid of the competition? We ARE the Competition! (3:633/104) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 16-Nov-99 22:18:18 To: Dave Davidson 17-Nov-99 19:18:20 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... DD> I know Andy's gonna be "pi**ed" at me for what I did, but here's DD> the way I have the system's setup at present. Warp 4 on both. Which Fixpack? Try FP11. DD> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 DD> only see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted. DD> Haven't really done much with that machine as I'm waiting to DD> finish the P120 which will be dedicated to OS/2 with the 10.3GB DD> and a new 8.3GB HD's and 96MB Ram. A newer IDEDASD.DMD (Fixpack 11) should help. DD> AMD K6/2-450 8.3GB Seagate 4.3GB WD Caviar, both IDE drives, DD> with 128MB Memory. Dual Boot with WIN98 & OS/2. OS/2 has ALL the DD> WD 4.3GB drive and "shares" two (2GB) logical drives with WIN98 DD> using FAT16. The "shared" drives are for primarily for DD> compressed files used by the BBS plus for data to be burned to DD> CD under WIN98. I also have Terminate on one of those "shared" DD> drives, so both OS's can use the same copy. So far, each OS DD> _seems_ to be working OK, with a few OS/2 exceptions noted DD> below... Oh, don#t use Dual Boot in production environment! Use Bootmanager and spen OS/2 its own HPFS partition(s). With Bootmanager you can boot OS/2 from each partition DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available DD> drives, how can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE DD> A not ready, simply because there isn't a disk in the drive? Insert a disk, open the drive, close it and then remove the disk. Make a shutdown. After reboot the WPS knows that nothing is in the drive. Then you should always close any view of a removeable drive if you would remove the medium and NOT insert another. After changing the volume you should make a refresh for one open view to see the change. DD> (2) I have two Internal USR/3Com Sportster 56k modems on COM3 DD> and COM4, neither of which, is a "WINModem". SIO only DD> registers COM1 and COM2 when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, DD> neither modem is available under OS/2. I _did_ add the line DD> to the DEVICE=SIO line DD> in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I need to do? No. But you don't need SIO. Since years the com.sys is changed to fix some speed problems. DD> (3) With FP9, my Internal ATAPI ZIP Drive _IS_ recognized and DD> used by OS/2 however, the ONLY way I can eject a ZIP disk is DD> to exit OS/2! I can't swap disks while in OS/2, even if I'm DD> not using it. Is this normal Yes and no. If you#re using HPFS it is normal. DD> or am I missing something here as well? Yes, but I can't say what for now. Because I does not own that. Read the readmes coming with each fixpack. I think there is a hint to change the behavior. DD> (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the DD> OS/2 WARP Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally DD> black background with just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., DD> displayed. Is this possible and if so, how? Klick right on an empty area on your Desktop -> Settings -> background. This is the same as for each other folder. The desktop is a folder like any other on your desktop. DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... DD> Will DOS Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a DD> ScreenSaver active as they do with WIN9x? No. But why would you use DOS? Native OS/2 programs are more powerfull. DD> Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few years and it DD> may take a while to get over the "WIN think" as well. DD> DD> Specifically, Terminate! Urgs. Try to find ZOC. Then you'll never start terminate. DD> Under WIN9x, it will #NOT# answer the phone when a screen DD> saver is active. To get around this, I use the Power DD> Management to turn off the Monitor after 30 minutes. Will I have DD> to do the same with OS/2? No. DD> Is there a "Power Management" feature easily assessable DD> under OS/2? I know nothing about Power Management. Because if my computer has to sleep I will ever shutdown. It will save more power than each power management can do. DD> As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up & DD> running, I'm full of questions that I either couldn't find DD> answers to in the manual or simply didn't understand. I have a DD> feeling this is just the beginning. Then ask us. --- Sqed/32 1.15/development 160: * Origin: Der Manager - die Krone der Erschoepfung. (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 11:46:10 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 21:37:16 Subj: Re: fdisk /query Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to MIKE RUSKAI <=- JdP> The output of PARTLIST, when Linda posts it, will give the raw MBR JdP> contents, which should demonstrate even more clearly how many visible JdP> primary partitions she has. Feel silly but can't find the program with Partlist in it. Sigh. Anon, Linda ... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 11:49:15 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 21:37:16 Subj: Re: fdisk /query Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to MIKE RUSKAI <=- LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP>> LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP>> **BIOS: 504MB JdP> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK. JdP> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical O is a DOS double space drive. JdP> wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short like It was what was left over. That's all. Anon, Linda ... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 11:57:07 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 21:37:16 Subj: Re: Get an OS/2 guru Greetings and Salutations, -=> Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP> Have a post. JdP> Where is it ? Thought the /query was the part list. Sorry. Anon, Linda ... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 12:07:04 To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 21:37:16 Subj: Re: Dos C drive Greetings and Salutations, -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=- LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would LP> OS/2 see it then. MR> No. MR> There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a word MR> used by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact happening when Doing this allowed Warp to see the 3rd partition as D where it hadn't seen it before I did that. MR> you set a partition as "installable" is nothing. No changes to the MR> partition are made. Nothing is written to disk. All that takes place MR> is that FDISK exits with an errorlevel of eight times the drive number, MR> where A=1, B=2, etc. Didn't. MR> This errorlevel is used by the installation program to determine which MR> drive should be installed to. Which it did on the original install by making D partition drive C Anon, Linda ... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 12:14:06 To: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 21:37:16 Subj: Re: file /query Greetings and Salutations, -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=- MR> What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of MR> the partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can MR> be booted from. LP> I haven't loaded Warp yet. Each hard drive can be booted from if LP> necessary (in DOS) from their C partitions. MR> No, that's not the case at all. The **BIOS: 504MB message up there MR> means that your BIOS is not doing any translation for the second That is a DOS doublespace drive partiton. MR> physical drive. There is also no disk manager program present. Because MR> of that, no partition beyond the first 504MB of the disk can be read by MR> the BIOS at all. Since the first partition on that drive is 1GB, MR> neither it nor any after it can be booted at all, without turning on MR> translation, and repartitioning the drive entirely. If hard disk 1 died, the C partiton of hard disk 2 is formated with /s & I can boot from it if I needed to by making hard drive 2 my boot up drive. MR> installing OS/2 will result in only one partition of drive 1 being MR> visible. But I haven't installed it yet. MR> type 0x16, which is an invalid type, making the partitions hidden to MR> OS/2 (and anything else, until the type is changed back to 0x06). But I made it see the 3 rd partition. Anon, Linda ... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 16-Nov-99 22:12:25 To: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 21:37:16 Subj: Re: Missing Window control.. -=> On 14 Nov 99 18:22:02, Ron Nicholls wrote to George White <=- GW> The latest versions of Henk Kelders WPTOOLS package CHECKINI will GW> force a restart of the WPS at the end of a run with correction GW> enabled RN> He's no longer at hobbes. RN> Do you have an address. http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/ Scott Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... Those who live by the sword are shot by those who don't. --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.32 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Scott Jones 17-Nov-99 00:39:12 To: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 21:37:16 Subj: Re: Win Program setup -=> On 13 Nov 99 19:35:57, Linda Proulx wrote to Scott Jones <=- LP> Wondering what your experiences are. Can one have both set up? SJ> Thinking back now, I haven't run a Win app since I installed TurboTax SJ> for my wife back in January, but IIRC, yes, you can do both. LP> How is it done? Are the programs set for single session but others set LP> for same session? Basically, yes. As I mentioned, on my machine Win apps are normally run in separate sessions, but I've also done a mix of the two on occasion. It just depends on what I (or my wife) happen to be doing at the time. For her, data integrity is important. She doesn't need for a GPF in WordPerfect to kill a client's income tax return that she's been working on for several hours, so I have her apps set up to run in different sessions. Since my usage of Win apps is very intermittent, I tend to run them in one session. This is also covered in detail in "Unleashed" (WinOS/2 in general starting on p.453, separate sessions starting on p.461) much better than I could hope to explain it. Scott Jones (sjones@crosswinds.net) ... Failure is not an option -- it comes bundled with Windows. --- MultiMail/OS/2 v0.32 * Origin: COMM Port OS/2 juge.com 204.89.247.1 (281) 980-9671 (1:106/2000) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 17-Nov-99 15:51:00 To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: Dos C drive In a message to All, Linda Proulx wrote re: Dos C drive LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would LP> OS/2 see it then. Not if you installed OS/2 on its own primary partition. You need to install OS/2 on a logical partition ("D:") and then it will be able to see your DOS installation on C:. You need to choose the "advanced" installation to do this, IIRC. --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 17-Nov-99 15:51:00 To: Jack Stein 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru In a message to Murray Lesser, Jack Stein wrote re: Get an OS/2 guru JS> Well, it was designed by, and for, command line finatics... On the other hand, JS> it's usefulness in OS/2 is not near what it was in DOS, and it is expensive, JS> and, it is no longer nice shareware, but "crippleware", so I won't badger you JS> about it, not that I think for one moment I could talk you into it anyway:-) I find 4OS2 just as useful as 4DOS was in DOS. But if the money is a concern, many (but by no means all) 4OS2 features can be had for free with YAOS. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 17-Nov-99 11:52:09 To: John Thompson 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: Get Going John Thompson, 16-Nov-99 19:58:00, John Thompson wrote to Andy Roberts JT> In a message to Linda Proulx, Andy Roberts wrote re: Get Going Subject: Get Going AR>> I exposed my wife to computers a couple of decades ago with an AR>> Epson QX-10 and ValDocs which had a GUI (better than WinXX has AR>> now) and allowed long file names, which she got addicted to. JT> Good grief! Another Ex-QX user! I just retired my last QX-16 this JT> past July, not because of any problems (it still works fine) but JT> just because my son needed something a little more modern for his JT> school work. One thing about Epson back then, they didn't slight quality. Of course we had to pay $3-5000 for it. My 2 Epson QX-10 systems were both still working when I put them in storage a few years ago. JT> But a couple little nit-picks. The Valdocs environment wasn't a JT> GUI, it was text-based (except Valpaint). But it was still quite JT> unusual, especially for a Z80-based system, in that it used JT> multiple text windows on the screen. Ie, when you popped up a JT> menu, it actually appeared in a separate text window that scrolled JT> up from the bottom of the screen. Technically you are right in that ValDocs was not a GUI in the sense that it did not have Icons for loading apps. OTOH is did shield the user from the command line with it's menu system and integration of 10 apps. And the menus allowed mouse selection. JT> And it was probably the first truly integrated environment, with word JT> processing, spreadsheet, paint, graphs, mail, etc. all transparently JT> integrated with each other. IIRC the word processor was even WYSIWYG. Amazing what they could fit on a 360K floppy. JT> It's a shame it died so soon. I think I got about 12+ years of use out of mine. Actually I probably got more years than that out of it, since I kept it beside my newer PCs, until I could find a reasonable replacement for ValDraw, which was the Grand Daddy of CAD. Even AutoCAD and BlueCAD have yet to catch up with all the easy to use features of ValDraw. ValDocs certainly was a foundation post which many other software developers tried to emulate. And it took them way over 10 years to begin to catch up. Epson OTOH decided they were better at hardware and primarily printers, so without the financial backing of Epson, ValDocs had to become a unique but obsolete package. JT> And the "long file names" weren't really. They were descriptive JT> pointers that used the Valdocs indexing system to refer to the JT> real file names, which were typical CP/M 8.3 file names of the JT> form 881031A1.VAL I agree about that too. But again ValDocs completely shielded the user from knowing or having to use 8.3 file names for the most part. The default option allowed the user to enter almost any long file name. And the user did not have to type that long file name again, but rather select it from a menu with a mouse to open it again. And as far as an index with pointers is concerned, that is not so different than what WinXX does. And very likely where M$ got that idea. Granted it is not real long file names in the way OS/2 does it. But to the user who knew nothing about the technical details, for all practical purposes it was the same. And to my wife who wanted to make her file names the full description of it's contents, it was addictive. And raw DOS provided no good alternative to her. I remember writing long Batch files with error level menus and popup ANSI screens for DOS in an effort to make a semi-GUI for her to use. I even made some of the menus mouse aware. While that is not GUI in the sense of Icons, it was a necessity to fill the gap in software development between the time of ValDocs and OS/2. I'm certainly not trying to say ValDocs was better than OS/2, provided the OS/2 user carefully select a good suite of apps and use a lot of REXX to glue the pieces together. But ValDocs development ended before M$ and OS/2 were even imagined in the minds of developers. In a way ValDocs was the "cream of the crop" of a very well established CP/M system (with the TPM variant), which eventually led to DOS which eventually led to OS/2 which eventually sidetracked to WinXX. I regard the Epson QX-10 and ValDocs with the same admiration I give to a vintage "top of the line" antique car. They just don't make them like that anymore. And present developers would do well to take a lesson from those long gone masters. There was a time when bloated code and massive CPU power was not necessary to get the job done. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: Warp 4 engage.....----------=============>>>>>>>>>>> (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Larry Snider 16-Nov-99 20:24:27 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: Tutorial Hi Jonathan, 13-Nov-99 20:52:54, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Ron Nicholls Subject: Tutorial RN>> I went looking for the OS2 tutorial this weekend. jdbp> RN> RN>> Just where is it kept ???? jdbp> [C:\]which tutorial 15-08-1996 02:58:58 pm 62946 8136 jdbp> _____A C:\OS2\TUTORIAL.EXE jdbp> [C:\]ver jdbp> 4OS2 3.01A OS/2 Version is 4.00 jdbp> [C:\] Is which a 4OS2 ver 3 command? I don't have it in ver 2.50. Larry Snider Larry.Snider@attglobal.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro [OS/2] * Origin: OS/2: Not just another pretty program loader! (1:109/921.52) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Larry Snider 16-Nov-99 20:26:29 To: Rachel Veraa 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? Hi Rachel, 09-Nov-99 21:27:09, Rachel Veraa wrote to All Subject: HPFS Filenames to Windows? rv> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long rv> filenames between HPFS and Windows 95 files Transfer over what kind medium? Larry Snider Larry.Snider@attglobal.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro [OS/2] * Origin: Get OS/2 WARP - the best Windows tip around! (1:109/921.52) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 04:00:00 To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: Clunker update Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Peter Knapper on 11-15-99 13:23 about Clunker update... PK> A later fixpak for Warp 3 added a facilty to better manage what is PK> called "Single Input Queue" lockups. JDBP> *Synchronous* Input Queue. JDBP> Repeat after me: JDBP> "Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has been, and JDBP> has always had multiple input queues, one per application JDBP> thread. Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has JDBP> been, and has always had multiple input queues, one per JDBP> application thread. Presentation Manager is multithreaded, JDBP> always has been, and has always had multiple input queues, one JDBP> per application thread ..." JDBP> It's the fact that raw input is taken synchronously from the mouse and JDBP> keyboard into the various *multiple* application message queues that is JDBP> the problem. If it were taken asynchronously, there wouldn't be a JDBP> problem. That seems an odd, if not somewhat incorrect, way of putting it. The root of the problem is the different between WinSendMsg() and WinPostMsg(). The former blocks while awaiting a response. The latter returns only an indicator of whether or not the message was successfully stuffed into the message queue in question (which, incidentally, has a default size of 10 messages). The reason PM is synchronous is because it uses WinSendMsg() for *all* messages that it sends to applications, regardless of whether or not a meaningful response is required. The consequence is that the registered window procedure must return before PM is free to send messages to other queues. This was a design decision to make it easier for Windows programmers to migrate to OS/2, without nuking themselves with the new multiple-thread possibilities. With an asynchronous model, having multiple threads with multiple queues requires a certain amount of logic to make sure that messages are processed in the correct order (since there's no necessary connection between the chronology of messages, and the chronology of thread scheduling). Win9x/NT have an asynchronous model, and most Win32 are poorly written, from an interface standpoint, because of it. The "fix" in OS/2 that was added with a Warp 3 fixpack just waits the specified amount of time before deciding that a thread which hasn't answered the message yet won't answer it at all, after which the application is taken out of the loop until it responds to future messages. I'm not sure exactly how it's done, but there's probably a proxy put in to respond to messages on behalf of the application (returning a safe but meaningless return), which in turn waits for the application to provide an actual response, after which it should take itself out of the proxy position. I've been looking at the possibility of kludging the PM to make it asynchronous (since most applications wouldn't break if it were), but it's not a simple matter. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I never miss Rush Limbaugh! He's far too big a target! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 04:20:00 To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: fdisk /query Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai on 11-16-99 10:13 about fdisk /query... LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP>> LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP>> **BIOS: 504MB LP>> Does this answer anything? MR> [...] MR> What it doesn't say is which drives are primary, and which aren't. JDBP> Er, Mike ? See all the "1"s in the Vtype column ? ... JDBP> (-: Honestly, I didn't :) JDBP> The output of PARTLIST, when Linda posts it, will give the raw MBR JDBP> contents, which should demonstrate even more clearly how many visible JDBP> primary partitions she has. The problem, it would seem, is more complicated than that. OS/2 apparently has no trouble assigning letters to multiple primary partitions on one drive, but Boot Manager stops the show if it's told to boot a primary partition, by way of making that partition visible, and all other primary partitions not visible. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... And if she weighs as much as a duck? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 04:24:00 To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: fdisk /query Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Mike Ruskai on 11-16-99 13:26 about fdisk /query... LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP>> LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP>> **BIOS: 504MB JDBP> It's worth noting, by the way, the very last entry given by FDISK. JDBP> This indicates that there are 5MeB of space on her second physical JDBP> drive that aren't assigned to any partition. The irony is that with JDBP> the scheme chosen by Linda's guru, this space is completely unusable, JDBP> since no more partitions can be created on the disc. (Although one JDBP> wonders why the fourth primary partition "J:" was created short like JDBP> this. Perhaps a side effect of creating the partition using a hex JDBP> editor on the partition table and doing the arithmetic incorrectly ? JDBP> (-:) It might have been FDISK that did the bad math. One of my drives has 7MB of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive defined. FDISK did it, not me. What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024 cylinders. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... A little testy today, aren't we? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 17-Nov-99 11:40:23 To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: Get Going On (16 Nov 99) Linda Proulx wrote to Andy Roberts... LP> Haven't learned it yet. Honest. And Warp feels very natural to me. LP> Just a few mouse habits from 3.1 to unlearn, but no problem with it. That's because you've been using Geoworks Ensemble. Both that and OS/2 use a Motif style interface, although the one on OS/2 is much more powerful (right mouse button does so much more). OS/2 felt quite natural to me too when I first started using it. LP> Look forward to doing some serious stuff with Warp. I think you will be quite pleased. TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... If you're not GeoWorking, you're working too hard! --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:15/64.4) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stephen Haffly 17-Nov-99 12:11:29 To: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: Missing Window control.. On (16 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Mike Ruskai... Hi Will, MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison MR> with FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field MR> (my preference), etc. WH> MR> MR> Pretty stupid. WH> I traced the Post Road code and that's exactly what they did. I've WH> got several years worth of this kind of crap collected in one of my WH> YGBSM files - amazing what 'professional' programmers will do at WH> times. Is there any way to patch the PostRoad code so that it works properly then? TTYL, Stephen Team OS/2, Team GEOS OS/2 & New Deal Office 98 - A great combination. ... Windows 95 is plug 'n play. OS/2 Warp is install and work! --- PPoint 3.00 * Origin: Thunder Mountains Point (1:15/64.4) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: David Randall 17-Nov-99 18:20:13 To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: FTP & Telenet Linda Proulx wrote in a message to David Randall: DR> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You DR> can choose to use either or both. LP> But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS? You just set FrontDoor up to run without a bbs. There are many mail only nodes. Alternately, you can just use the terminal part of FD instead of say Telix or ProComm. ... Friends don't let friends use Windows --- timEd 1.10.y2k * Origin: Cross your feet...we only have three nails (1:319/10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: David Randall 17-Nov-99 18:28:22 To: Dave Davidson 18-Nov-99 00:27:04 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... Dave Davidson wrote in a message to All: DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... DD> Will DOS Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a DD> ScreenSaver active as they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've DD> been using WIN9x for a few years and it may take a while to DD> get over the "WIN think" as well. Specifically, DD> Terminate! Under WIN9x, it will #NOT# answer the phone when a DD> screen saver is active. To get around this, I use the Power DD> Management to turn off the Monitor after 30 minutes. Will I DD> have to do the same with OS/2? Is there a "Power Management" DD> feature easily assessable under OS/2? I use Warp 3 rather than 4, but BLANKER doesn't cause problems with DOS comm programs. I can't comment on other screen saver programs because I haven't tried them, but OS/2 handles DOS programs much better than WIN9x, so I don't believe you'll have a problem. ... Won't Nuclear Winter cancel out the Greenhouse Effect? --- timEd 1.10.y2k * Origin: Cross your feet...we only have three nails (1:319/10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 17-Nov-99 20:14:00 To: Stephen Haffly 17-Nov-99 20:14:00 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... Stephen Haffly wrote to Will Honea on 11-16-1999 SH> On (15 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Dave Davidson... SH> SH> Hi Will, SH> SH> WH> Odds on, you have com3 sharing an IRQ (4) with Com1 and com4 sharing SH> WH> an IRQ (3) with com2. OS/2 will not allow this - gotta have unique SH> WH> IRQ's or one of the boards supported by SIO to share IRQ's. If there SH> WH> is no mouse on com1/com2, you might sneak by if you tell SIO what IRQ SH> WH> to use (com3,3e8,4) (com4,2e8,3). That used to work at lower speeds SH> WH> but I haven't tried it in a while. SH> SH> OK, this leads to a question that most probably belongs in OS2HW, SH> but I'll keep it brief here. SH> SH> How come I can't seem to get the motherboard com ports working SH> with OS/2 Warp 4? I always have to disable them and put in a serial SH> card. Meanwhile, DOS and the dominant OS seem to see and work with SH> them just fine. SH> SH> This has been the case with more than one motherboard, anything SH> from a 486VIP to my current VA-503+. Is there a secret that I don't SH> know about? TO be succinct: beats the hell out of me! Obvious questions: do you have the comm ports enabled as COM1, COM2 in the bios setup? Did you ever run 'full hardware detect' on boot? I'd ask if you had comm.sys loaded, but since you see the addin board that would be insulting. My 503 works like a champ - external modem on com2 - with the only differnce being the use of SIO. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 17-Nov-99 20:37:01 To: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 20:37:01 Subj: Ftp Ron Nicholls wrote to All on 11-17-1999 RN> RN> Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com' RN> recently. I get a strangely broken up root list RN> with no access to any dir even with full RN> drwx permission. RN> Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered RN> if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub . RN> RN> Other sites behave normaly, very strange. RN> RN> I am using ftp-pm and this started when I went RN> looking for java 118 having seen fixes for RN> same but informed by soft ware choice that it RN> is not released yet. As of 20:36 MST 11/17/1999 I can go from the root all the way to ftp://ftp.hursley.ibm.com/pub/java/fixes/os2/11/118/ without a stammer with Comm/2 4.61 and wget. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 00:37:00 To: Stephen Haffly 18-Nov-99 00:37:00 Subj: Missing Window control.. Stephen Haffly wrote to Will Honea on 11-17-1999 SH> On (16 Nov 99) Will Honea wrote to Mike Ruskai... SH> SH> Hi Will, SH> SH> MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison SH> MR> with FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field SH> MR> (my preference), etc. SH> WH> MR> SH> MR> Pretty stupid. SH> SH> WH> I traced the Post Road code and that's exactly what they did. I've SH> WH> got several years worth of this kind of crap collected in one of my SH> WH> YGBSM files - amazing what 'professional' programmers will do at SH> WH> times. SH> SH> Is there any way to patch the PostRoad code so that it works SH> properly then? I did a quick and dirty that seemed to work for the simple tests I tried, but that code is NOT well organized so I would hesitate to put it out. Actually, there are 2 very simple solutions: revert to FP10 or earlier or update to FP12. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 00:43:01 To: Mike Ruskai 18-Nov-99 00:43:01 Subj: fdisk /query MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD on 11-17-1999 MR> MR> of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive MR> defined. FDISK did it, not me. MR> MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024 MR> cylinders. You will find that there is a 1 cylinder 'hole' on any drive with only an extended partition. Essentially, it stems from having the partition table on the first cylinder and the convention of starting all partitions (not logical drive, partitions) on a cylinder boundary. Since the extended partition can't use the first sector of the first cylinder, it gets pushed to the second cylinder in order to start on the desired boundary. Waste of space, but that's what happens when you cobble a kludge on top of a kludge to maintain legacy compatibility. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 16-Nov-99 08:29:07 To: James Mckenzie 18-Nov-99 06:15:01 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hi James, On 14-Nov-99, James Mckenzie wrote to Eddy Thilleman: LP>>> Yes it does. The DOS unit is AMI 1989 & according to Warp LP>>> unleashed the minimum date is somewhere in 1990. ET>> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd ET>> edition) publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ISBN 0-672-30545-3 ET>> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must ET>> have a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. ET>> Please tell where I can find it in this book if it's in there. ET>> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 ET>> Warp 3" or in the "OS/2 Warp 4, Up and Running" book. JM> It was not in any of those publications, but it was on both AMI's JM> and IBM's "informational" FTP sites, that the BIOS date must be JM> after 6/1/1991 in order for OS/2 to "see" all of the system's JM> memory correctly. Of course, this only applies if you install JM> 16MB or more. It had to do with the memory address bus JM> configuration. You could install more memory, OS/2 (and amazingly JM> Windows) could not "see" all of it Oh yes it was! (Sorry, couldn't resist. The pantomine season is rapidly approaching. ) It's in the Warp Connect Red Users Guide chapter 20 (page 300 et sequa in my copy). They document a 9/90 cutoff date for AMI BIOSs due to a problem with IDE timings. George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 09:32:29 To: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 06:15:01 Subj: Multiple visible primary partitions JP>> I suspect that we might be begging Daniela to modify JP>> Build_Next_VolCB() and Process_Partition() in OS2DASD.DMD . (-: JP>> JP>> By the looks of it (i.e. from reading the source), Process_Partition() JP>> takes the first recognisable partition in the MBR that it finds, and JP>> Build_Next_VolCB() only calls it once per MBR. JP>> JP>> The modification should be relatively simple. One simply needs to JP>> take the for(i=0;i<4;++i) loop out of Process_Partition() and move JP>> it into both Build_Next_VolCB() and BPBFromScratch(), modifying it JP>> along the way so that it doesn't exit prematurely any more by JP>> removing the `found' logic, and make Process_Partition() take the JP>> current loop index as an extra parameter instead. JP>> JP>> Daniela ? WH> I did something similar when I wrote a DOS driver to support more than WH> 2 drives and I seem to recall some nasty problems with it. It's been WH> several years so I don't remember the details but a glance back at WH> the code shows I pulled it out. The only problems would have been if you had coded it the way that linux does in the `extended_partition' function in drivers\block\genhd.c . (-: linux does completely the wrong check for a valid partition table entry (It *should* check the type byte to see whether it is non-zero, but instead it checks the sector count and offset fields for sanity.) and then has the gall to complain in comments that "sometimes the entry is full of garbage". Well no wonder! It should be filtering out all of the type 00 entries. Both FreeDOS and OpenDOS (a.k.a. DR-DOS) do the checks properly (`processtable' in SOURCE\DOS-C\SRC\KERNEL\DSK.C in the former, `hard_init' in IBMBIO\DISK.ASM in the latter), checking the partition type *first*. All three support multiple visible primary partitions without incident, however. As does Windows NT. And as, as I mentioned in a previous message, I suspect also does PC/MS-DOS, given that in its earliest days it *only* supported primary partitions. OS/2 Warp is very much on its own, here. OS2DASD.DMD should be fixed. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 10:50:18 To: Dave Davidson 18-Nov-99 06:15:01 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... DD> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 only DD> see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted. I have a 8.49GiB (9.1GB) drive and OS/2 sees all of it just fine. The issue with drive sizes is a complex one, and I don't really have the time to type in a full explanation here. But here are two points that should start you going in the right direction: þ The size limits on bootable partitions are imposed by the antiquated BIOS API for accessing hard discs (which is, of course, the only way to access hard discs before an operating system has booted). The absolute maximum size of disc that is "visible" via the BIOS API is 1024 cylinders * 255 tracks * 63 sectors, which is around 7.84GiB (8.42GB). All boot files and partitions for all operating systems, or at least the portions of those operating systems that are read before the operating system's own disc device drivers kick in, must fit within the first 1024 cylinders. þ The consequence of the above is that one cannot partition a drive greater than 7.84GiB into one big bootable partition. One *has* to have a boot partition, 7.84GiB in size, and at least one other partition consuming the rest of the space. The latter partition(s) will not be visible from DOS or at boot time (since they both use the BIOS API to access hard discs). And this is indeed pretty much how I have my drive set up (with the exception that I have a 1 cylinder wide FAT boot partition, for reasons that I won't go into): [C:\]partlist 1 Physical disc 1 (1109 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors per track) Contents of partition records in MBR at block 00000000 ------------------------------------------------------ Type Start Length start chs end chs -- ---------------------- -------- -------- ------------- ------------- *0a Boot Manager 0000003f 00003e82 ( 0, 1, 1) ( 0,254,63) 07 OS/2 IFS (e.g. HPFS) 00003ec1 00fa867e ( 1, 0, 1) (1022,254,63) 05 Secondary MBR 00fac53f 001514d6 (1023, 0, 1) (1023,254,63) >> Only those cylinders up to 1023 are accessible to the BIOS >> End CHS values (1108,254,63) truncated at 1024th cylinder 00 (Free) 00000000 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0) Contents of partition records in MBR at block 00fac53f ------------------------------------------------------ Type Start Length start chs end chs -- ---------------------- -------- -------- ------------- ------------- *01 12-bit FAT 00fac57e 00003e82 (1023, 1, 1) (1023,254,63) 05 Secondary MBR 00fb0400 0014d615 (1023,254,63) (1023,254,63) >> Inaccessible at boot time because of BIOS 1023 cylinder limit >> Start CHS values (1024, 0, 1) truncated at 1024th cylinder >> End CHS values (1108,254,63) truncated at 1024th cylinder >> Does not begin on a track boundary 00 (Free) 00fac53f 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0) 00 (Free) 00fac53f 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0) Contents of partition records in MBR at block 00fb0400 ------------------------------------------------------ Type Start Length start chs end chs -- ---------------------- -------- -------- ------------- ------------- *07 OS/2 IFS (e.g. HPFS) 00fb043f 0014d5d6 (1023,254,63) (1023,254,63) >> Inaccessible at boot time because of BIOS 1023 cylinder limit >> Start CHS values (1024, 1, 1) truncated at 1024th cylinder >> End CHS values (1108,254,63) truncated at 1024th cylinder >> Does not begin on a track boundary 00 (Free) 00fb0400 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0) 00 (Free) 00fb0400 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0) 00 (Free) 00fb0400 00000000 ( 0, 0, 0) ( 0, 0, 0) [C:\] ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 11:21:11 To: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 06:15:01 Subj: Missing Window control.. WH> It was enough of a nuisance that I ran a script every few days to WH> reset all the archive bits on all directories since I could never WH> tell what program would mess up next. A one-line script: attrib /s /a:d -a c:\* WH> FP 12 reverted to the early behavior. That's a shame. ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 17-Nov-99 11:25:07 To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 06:15:01 Subj: Multiple visible primary partitions ML> See a recent post from JdeBP to me for an explanation of how this ML> may be done. I assume that he agrees with me that it is very poor ML> practice to play this game. In any case, "someone else" was not ML> running OS/2 Boot Manager :-). According to a post to Linda from ML> John Thompson, recent versions of Windows can also see all primary ML> partitions. (He doesn't know whether this is "a good thing," ML> either.) But there goes Microsoft again, making up its own rules as ML> it goes along :-). Let me put it this way: I can see no valid reason, from what has been posted so far, to use the scheme that Linda's guru has used. However, I should point out, in all fairness, that Microsoft *isn't* making up the rules as it goes along and changing the goalposts with new releases of Windows, at least not in this case. This particular rule has a very long pedigree. As you will no doubt remember, Murray, back in the mists of time, MS/PC-DOS didn't actually support extended partitions originally. There was no such thing as primary partitions. They were just "partitions", and there was a maximum of four of them. And they could only hold up to 32MeB each. So if one was rich enough to have a hard disc bigger than 32MeB, one had to have a second, third, or even a fourth "visible" partition. The idea of having an "extended partition", type 05, came along when this scheme proved to be inadequate. The whole notion of extended partitions is an ugly kludge, and also somewhat wasteful of disc space since because of cylinder alignment requirements the secondary MBRs that form the linked list of partition "subtables" waste a whole track each. It's certainly *not* how one would design a hard disc partitioning scheme if one were designing it from scratch (rather than trying to retrofit something decent on top of the old "four partitions" scheme and retain backwards compatibility). Given this, I suspect that the concept of having four *visible* (/i.e./ type 0X) primary partitions is a very old one in the DOS world. It would certainly explain why almost all PC operating systems, apart from OS/2, support it. I still would like to see Daniela Engert, or someone else with a history of mucking about with the DASD drivers in OS/2 (such as the developer of the FAT32 installable filesystem driver), fix this problem in OS2DASD.DMD . ¯ JdeBP ® --- FleetStreet 1.22 NR * Origin: JdeBP's point, using Squish (2:257/609.3) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 17-Nov-99 19:31:00 To: Jack Stein 17-Nov-99 19:31:00 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. (Excerpts from a message dated 11-15-99, Jack Stein to Albert Sodyl) Hi Jack-- JS>Not certain what you are running, but I ran OS/2 2.1 for a couple of >years on a 486/33 with 8 megs. It ran great, never crashed on me. >I switched to WARP 3 ONLY because IBM gave me a free copy, and it >has TCP/IP so works great with the internet. WARP 3 ran great on 8 >megs also. Still run it on the same machine, but now have 20 megs >ram, still runs great. I have WARP 3 BLUE, WARP 3 CONNECT and WIN95 >installed on this machine. I never use WARP connect, and am thinking >of installing WARP 4 on that partition, but, most people seem to >think WARP 4 would be a bit of a pig on this vintage machine. They >also said that about WARP 3, but were wrong about that. My 486 with >WARP 3 blue is faster for many things than my P133 at work with WIN95 >on it, and works a hell of a lot better. For what it is worth, my wife is running Warp 4 FixPak 5 on my old PS/VP 433DX (32 MB RAM) with no complaints. Of course, she runs only text-mode programs, most of them written for DOS and running under a VDM. I notice the difference when I am running some OS/2 diagnostics with her machine, as compared to running them on my vintage-1997 ThinkPad 365XD (P120 when plugged into the wall - P60 when on battery). But she thinks her "new machine" is great when compared to running many of the same programs on to her previous 16 MHz, PS/2 model 80 under IBM-DOS 5 revision 1. Guess it depends on what you are used to :-). According to the books, it takes more (minimum) RAM to run Warp 4 than it did to run Warp 3 (but 20 MB should be more than sufficient) and at least a 80486 chip (which you have), and somewhat larger boot drive (I have 205 MB, but the network stuff that I use is in another partition). There are also some add-ons that came with Warp 4 (such as voice recognition--one of the many options I never bothered to install) that require a more-powerful CPU chip than either you or I have. But I can't see why Warp 4 would run any slower than Warp 3 on your machine if you stick to the same class of applications. I replaced the preinstalled Win95 with Warp 4 (instead of with Warp 3) on my ThinkPad only because: 1) I had a DevCon freebie, and 2) there was more device support right off of the CD-ROM for some of the ThinkPad goodies. Now that I have been running Warp 4 for a couple of years, I wouldn't go back (because I am used to it!). For troubleshooting convenience, and because I had a second Warp 4 CD-ROM, I replaced Warp 3 with Warp 4 in my wife's "new" machine when I reconfigured it for her set of applications. But if you are happy with what you have, why switch? Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * If it can happen, it will (Murphy) --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 17-Nov-99 21:40:01 To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 21:40:01 Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall (Excerpts from a message dated 11-16-99, Peter Knapper to Linda Proulx) Hi Peter-- PK>No, you are getting distracted again. Once the OS/2 Desktop is >visible, then the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture and has >absolutely NO AFFECT on the Keyboard/Mouse. The "stop working" >referred to above refers to when the BIOS is in control of the >Keyboard/Mouse during the initial boot process. Not entirely true when running in a VDM. According to the IBM manual "OS/2 V3 Virtual Device Driver Reference," most VDM keyboard support (particularly INT 16H) still uses the BIOS. From the CD-ROM Online Library - OS/2 Collection for January 1996: "Since the BIOS INT 16h service only references the BIOS data area for keystrokes, the BIOS continues to provide this service." If you scan the tables in the front of the reference manual, you will find several other BIOS software interrupts that are handled by the hardware-supplied BIOS, rather than by the VDD software. Among these are the diskette drive motors. However, as near as I can tell, the VMOUSE driver is not one of them. Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * If it can happen, it will (Murphy) --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 15-Nov-99 17:40:00 To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: Install 1/ LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> Lee Aroner wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LA> A few suggested changes: LP> IFS=C:\OS2\HPFS.IFS /CACHE:256 /CRECL:4 /AUTOCHECK:C LA> Try 512 or 1024 ^^ ^ Try 16 or 32 LA> (f you have more than 16 megs of memory and are using HPFS) LP> Have 6. Eeeeek! It's gonna be slow. > SET PROMPT=$i[$p] LA> Try this as : $p$g and add a line like: LA> SET DIRCMD=/A/O:GN/P/V LP> Why. This removes the help prompt and the DirCmd gives you control over how files and dirs are presented. Do a HELP DIRCMD to see what your options are. > FILES=20 (Change to 60 or 80) LA> Change this immediately...20 is too low for win apps and some dos LA> apps will also choke... LP> Ok. > MAXWAIT=3 LA> On a fast machine you can change this to "2" LP> Speed 25. What is considered fast 75/100? Less, more? 25 Pentium, or 486? Leave it at 3 if 486. This param determines how often the system looks at things...on a slow machine it means CPU cycles will be spent that could be better used on apps. > BASEDEV=IBM2FLPY.ADD LA> Unless you have a Microchannel machine, REM this out LP> Ok. > BASEDEV=XDFLOPPY.FLT LA> You only need this for reading compressed install type disks, LA> REM it out if you are done with the installs. LP> Ok. Only OS/2 compressed? Yup. > FCBS=16,8 LA> Set this to "8,4" LP> Again, why? Waste of resources. Most DOS apps don't use FCBs and the ones that do don't, as a rule, need this many. The only ones that might would be really, really old stuff, like DOS version 2. > DOS=LOW,NOUMB LA> You can experiment with "DOS=HIGH,UMB" when everything else is LA> working properly and if you have DOS apps that need more memory LA> or if you want to experiment with loading DOS drivers high... LA> this can also sometimes help with Win apps. LP> According to the book, my hardware memory needed this. Only 6 remember. This has nada to do with hardware...it's only a setting for whether the non-transient portion of command.com (and other parts of the DOS base code) will be loaded high, and whether drivers will be allowed to load into UMBs. On a memory constrained machine, it may (will almost certainly in your case) actually hurt more than help. Leave it at low for now and revisit it when you get some more memory. LA> The rest of it looks ok. LP> Good. LP> Still haven't found anything that tells me how to set a general data > directory for all the program. But then haven't had a chance to do a > lot of playing yet. LA> Settings for individual applications are on the properties LA> notebook for the object, accessable by right clicking. LP> All applications, no matter what? . [ Continued In Next Message... ] ___ X SPEED 2.01 #2720 X * If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 15-Nov-99 17:40:01 To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: Install 2/ . [ ...Continued From Previous Message ] DOS and Win apps mostly. OS/2 apps have some settings you can access, but don't need memory settings, since that is built into the program and the OS. LA> Good luck... LP> Thanks, but I think that the beloved clunker just won't cut it. I trust > you've seen my posts about the hang. Yes, but that is probably a solvable issue. It may take more effort than you are willing to expend though... LRA ___ X SPEED 2.01 #2720 X * If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy? --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 16-Nov-99 21:26:00 To: Dave Davidson 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... DD> Now that I have OS/2 loaded and "running", the questions are mounting..... DD> I know Andy's gonna be "pi**ed" at me for what I did, but here's the way > I have the system's setup at present. Warp 4 on both. DD> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 only see's > 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted. Haven't really done much > with that machine as I'm waiting to finish the P120 which will be > dedicated to OS/2 with the 10.3GB and a new 8.3GB HD's and 96MB Ram. IIRC, the latest IDE driver package and a reboot will give you all of that drive... DD> Most of these questions are probably relatively simple for old OS/2 user's > but remember, I'm a _newbie_ with a lot of "DOS think" to get rid of. DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available drives, how > can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE A not ready, simply > because there isn't a disk in the drive? Hmm...that's odd. No matter what I try, I can't duplicate that behaviour. Have you tried opening the drives folder and selecting another drive, then close the folder? DD> (2) I have two Internal USR/3Com Sportster 56k modems on COM3 and COM4, > neither of which, is a "WINModem". SIO only registers COM1 and COM2 > when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, neither modem is available under > OS/2. I _did_ add the line to the > DEVICE=SIO line in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I need > to do? Try specifying the IRQ to use. The SIO docs tell how. DD> (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the OS/2 WARP > Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally black background with > just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., displayed. Is this possible and if > so, how? Right click on the desktop, select "Properties" and the "Background" tab. Pick what ya want. DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... Will DOS > Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a ScreenSaver active as > they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few years > and it may take a while to get over the "WIN think" as well. > Specifically, Terminate! Under WIN9x, it will #NOT# answer the phone > when a screen saver is active. To get around this, I use the Power > Management to turn off the Monitor after 30 minutes. Will I have to do > the same with OS/2? Is there a "Power Management" feature easily > assessable under OS/2? Don't be silly, this is OS/2. Your DOS com program won't know whether there is a screen saver or not. Note that you will have do some fiddling with the DOS properties to get things perfect, but hey, that's half the fun! DD> As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up & running, I'm > full of questions that I either couldn't find answers to in the manual or > simply didn't understand. I have a feeling this is just the beginning. DD> Thanks... > > Have a GREAT one! I did ! LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: ... Perforation is a rip off. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 16-Nov-99 21:28:01 To: Sean Dennis 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: SIO/VModem FAQ? SD> To get it via email FREQ: SD> 1) Send a message to ah2@softhome.net with the subject of FREQ. > 2) In the message, use FREQ SIOFAQ. > 3) To request an ALLFILE listing, use FREQ ALLFILES. > 4) For help, use FREQ HELP. Interesting utility. What is it? Are you running Adept? ... LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: Oh NO! Not another "Learning Experience"! --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 16-Nov-99 21:24:02 To: Jonathan De Boyne Pollar 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: Deskarc List JdBP> [ This is a pr cis of a message in the TAUCMD echo. ] SW> DESKARC LIST produces no output here. JdBP> About three months ago, I posted a question asking if > anyone knew the internal structure of > \OS2\ARCHIVES\ARCHIVES.$$$ . Once I know that, I can add > code to DESKARC to pretty-print the information contained > in it when the LIST option is used. JdBP> Unfortunately, I've had no replies, and I don't have the time to sit down > with a hex viewer and work out the structure of the file > myself. If anyone reading this wants to do so, I'd be > grateful. I gather that there are several people who are > interested in the tools when they are finished but who > don't have enough spare time to cope with the full cycle of > installing and using pre-releases as I shovel them out, > even though they would like to contribute something if they > could. This is their chance. If they want to make a more > modest contribution, one which won't be as demanding of > their time, figuring out the structure of ARCHIVES.$$$ can > be it. JdBP> Let me know what it is, and I'll implement the LIST option > of the DESKARC command. Hmmm...you might as well have put my name on that message Looking at it right now, seems like a simple enough structure. > (Note added later...there really isn't much in the way of usefull > information here, might want to consider if it's actually worth > the code? Read on for the gory details). Basic Structure: 21 bytes of unknown data, followed by a text label at offset 21d/15h, the label is: "Originally installed Archive", followed by 53 bytes of nulls, a two byte numbering label at offset 102d/66h, followed by 246 bytes of nulls, followed by a 10 byte string (":\Desktop" at offset 358d/166h, followed by 246 nulls, followed by a restart of the above sequence to a total of four such entries. The text string at 21d into each section *other* than the first, is always: "Complete Archive", (There ain't much actual data here...) Note: All offsets are zero based. Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246 nulls. Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs. Note: The "numbering label" mentioned above is not sequential, the four labels are: (in order of appearance) "0X", "02", "01", and "03". On my maintenance partition, the order is: "0X", "01", "03", and "02". My guess is this is more of a type label than a sequence number, but what it indicates, I have no idea. Haven't found any clues in my old DD kit, nor inside any executable on disk, which seems reasonable considering they are compressed... I'm guessing that the 21 byte section header contains a date and time, and undoubtedly something else, but what? I'll have a go at decoding the date/time part tomorro. I'll also post a structure tomorrow. LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: I think, therefore I'm overqualified. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Lee Aroner 16-Nov-99 21:24:03 To: Lee Aroner 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: Deskarc List * CARBON COPY: * Original was to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD in 1:OS2 on the TOPHAT BBS. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- JdBP> [ This is a pr cis of a message in the TAUCMD echo. ] SW> DESKARC LIST produces no output here. JdBP> About three months ago, I posted a question asking if > anyone knew the internal structure of > \OS2\ARCHIVES\ARCHIVES.$$$ . Once I know that, I can add > code to DESKARC to pretty-print the information contained > in it when the LIST option is used. JdBP> Unfortunately, I've had no replies, and I don't have the time to sit down > with a hex viewer and work out the structure of the file > myself. If anyone reading this wants to do so, I'd be > grateful. I gather that there are several people who are > interested in the tools when they are finished but who > don't have enough spare time to cope with the full cycle of > installing and using pre-releases as I shovel them out, > even though they would like to contribute something if they > could. This is their chance. If they want to make a more > modest contribution, one which won't be as demanding of > their time, figuring out the structure of ARCHIVES.$$$ can > be it. JdBP> Let me know what it is, and I'll implement the LIST option > of the DESKARC command. Hmmm...you might as well have put my name on that message Looking at it right now, seems like a simple enough structure. > (Note added later...there really isn't much in the way of usefull > information here, might want to consider if it's actually worth > the code? Read on for the gory details). Basic Structure: 21 bytes of unknown data, followed by a text label at offset 21d/15h, the label is: "Originally installed Archive", followed by 53 bytes of nulls, a two byte numbering label at offset 102d/66h, followed by 246 bytes of nulls, followed by a 10 byte string (":\Desktop" at offset 358d/166h, followed by 246 nulls, followed by a restart of the above sequence to a total of four such entries. The text string at 21d into each section *other* than the first, is always: "Complete Archive", (There ain't much actual data here...) Note: All offsets are zero based. Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246 nulls. Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs. Note: The "numbering label" mentioned above is not sequential, the four labels are: (in order of appearance) "0X", "02", "01", and "03". On my maintenance partition, the order is: "0X", "01", "03", and "02". My guess is this is more of a type label than a sequence number, but what it indicates, I have no idea. Haven't found any clues in my old DD kit, nor inside any executable on disk, which seems reasonable considering they are compressed... I'm guessing that the 21 byte section header contains a date and time, and undoubtedly something else, but what? I'll have a go at decoding the date/time part tomorro. I'll also post a structure tomorrow. LRA -- SPEED 2.01 #2720: I think, therefore I'm overqualified. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Top Hat BBS (1:343/40) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 20:19:01 To: All 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: Partlist Greetings, Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran Partlist. Error statement - could not find file PMGPI. Sorry folks. It won't work. There was also statements about not finding ibm2floppy & another file. I trust that they will be in the CDROM? Anon, Linda ... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 20:22:07 To: Andy Roberts 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx <=- AR> Compromise. Look very carefully on the IBM Device Drive Pak site for AR> drivers BEFORE you buy. Try to find a slightly older printer at an Good thought. AR> 1400DPI. The best thing I can say about that printer is that it can be AR> had for under $200. Not a great fan of BJ type printers. Maintenance too high. AR> Just a few days ago I saw an auction for the Epson Stylus Photo 700, AR> which also has 1400DPI. There were about 40 of them that had been AR> refurbished. I did find OS/2 drivers for it. A few hours before the Interesting. Anon, Linda ... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 20:39:25 To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: Re: OS2 Install/uninstall Greetings and Salutations, -=> Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx <=- LP>Anon, LP>Linda LP>Anon, LP>Linda ML> Recently, you have doubled your signature :-). Are there two of ML> you, these days? Forgot t typed it in. Anon, Linda ... It's as easy as 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841! --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 17-Nov-99 22:34:20 To: All 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: Win programs Greetings, Upon seeing briefly the drive tree, it looks like the Win-Os2 looks much the same as normal Windows. I still don't see how just deleting a windows program will delete all references to it in the win setup. Please clarify. Anon, Linda ... Famous Last Words: "Watch me goose that sleeping dragon" --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Nick Andre 18-Nov-99 02:40:22 To: All 18-Nov-99 10:05:03 Subj: MP3 Hi! Does anyone have a simple utility to update the ID3 descriptions in MP3's? Or an MP3 player that does NOT require the MMOS2 overhead? :) I don't have Internet access at the moment, but am willing to FREQ... *Lord British* --- Renegade v98-101s Dos * Origin: Hidden Obsessions (1:252/501) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Tony Pater 13-Nov-99 23:58:04 To: Roy J. Tellason 18-Nov-99 16:29:26 Subj: FTP & Telenet -=> Quoting Roy J. Tellason to Linda Proulx <=- RJT> Linda Proulx wrote in a message to All: LP> If I wanted to Telent or FTP would Netscape do it for me? If LP> not what kind of programs would I need? RJT> Netscape will do ftp, but not as well as several of the ftp packages RJT> out there. A while earlier this year I had the use of a borrowed RJT> acccount and found that I had three different ftp packages for OS/2 in RJT> the files section here. I never did get around to trying them all RJT> out, though. Being a klutz I too never got around to using an FTP client until exasperation with Netscape set in. Had a look at at several, purchased one (Shareware FTPbrowser), and went looking for one that used the KISS principle.... settled on 'NFTP' .... works effortlessly/flawlessly and faster than Netscape (not to mention those non-recovery feature should the lines break which happens frequently here). Dumped FTPbrowser as I never could get it to work, even though I had registered it. It's on Hobbes, but if you don't have web access then someone here I'm sure could get it (or whatever) to Linda. (We can't do file attachments from this BBS). Regards Tony Sydney, Oz Sun 11-14-1999 10:03:50 am ... 4dos/4os2.. under Warp 4 --- FMail/2 1.48+ * Origin: Cyberia: Come get some [02-9596-0284] (3:712/848) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Tony Pater 14-Nov-99 00:06:14 To: All 18-Nov-99 16:29:26 Subj: Ispell ? Curious and curiouser ...... A few years back I stumbled across 'Ispell', the free spell checking programme and after a lot of reading (I'd never compiled a file before - or since :-)), I installed it with a view to doing spell checking ..... the reason I plonked on Ispell was that it is fast (non-GUI) and large (2.4megs dictionary). It worked fine and I adjusted the 'Termcap.Dat' to suit this worked fine. Anyways ..... something has broken it ? I've done re-installs, using defaults etcetera but to no avail ... it keeps flashing up an error message when invoked to the effect that 'a non-recognised command in 'Termcap.Dat'. So ...... ever curious, I did an install of OS/2 on a Uni students new PC and installed 'Ispell' from my system without any changes to the setup parms, (Ispell.Cfg/Termcap.Dat/Environment setup in the OS/2 Config.Sys) ... It worked correctly. Yet on my OS/2 machine ..... it won't ? I did a search for 'Termcap' across all drives (using Jonathan DeBoyne Pollard's 'OS2clu' tools), seeking to find a bad/corrupted/incorrect version of 'Termcap.Dat' in the OS/2 Paths, though as per Ispell docs, I have it set in the environment. I've done a compare using 'PM-Difference' of the two OS/2 'Config.Sys' between my OS/2 setup and the recently installed OS/2 on the Uni students' PC ..... and can't spot anything that might be causing this problem with 'Ispell' on my OS/2 PC. I'm wondering if it's got anything to do with the 'Country' (ie US/Aus/UK) setups for keyboard/Country ? Has anyone encountered this before or any suggestions ? Thanks ...... it's really bugging me. Tony Sydney, Oz Sun 11-14-1999 10:30:17 am ... 4dos/4os2.. under Warp 4 --- FMail/2 1.48+ * Origin: Cyberia: Come get some [02-9596-0284] (3:712/848) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Fred Springfield 18-Nov-99 01:43:05 To: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 17:36:09 Subj: PM Sessions JA> On 12/11/1999, Fred Springfield said to All about PM Sessions: JA> JA> Howdy Fred. JA> JA> FS> JA> FS> Unfortunately, Post Road Mailer did not honor the requests from either JA> FS> of these methods, so nothing will work for PRM. Also unfortunately, JA> FS> PMMail is not a candidate for this project, because there is no way to JA> FS> get it to do anything automatically upon opening, such as send, or JA> FS> fetch, the mail. JA> JA> Sorry to have to unsettle you but my PMMail/2 v2.10.1999 does JA> EXACTLY that and has done since umm v1.53 I think. JA> JA> It's an Account setting not a Program setting ie each account (you JA> can have multiples in PMM/2 - another reason use it) can be JA> specified as Fetch on Open, Send After Fetch AND action on a timer JA> (mine is set to 300 seconds = 5 mins to prevent my dialup account JA> from throwing me off through inactivity). JA> JA> THEN you can have REXX pre- and post- actions (on prog open and JA> close) plus ... I could consume a heap of bandwith extolling PMM/2. JA> JA> I suggest that you check it out again. Hi John- Yes, this was called to my attention, and indeed it does have account settings to do what you say. However, it's a little more complicated than that. For, you see, what I want to do is control PMMail with a rexx program, whereas what you are talking about are scripts to be run from PMMail while it is the controlling program. Right now, the only way I see to do be able to open PMMail as a controlled program, in either the send-on-opening mode, or in the fetch-on-opening mode is to develop an accounr .ini file for each mode, and then switch them before opening the program. It would have been a lot easier if there were command line switches to do the same thing, and then I could develop an object for each one. Your point is well noted, though, and I am looking at PMMail further for this purpose. Regards, Fred Springfield Plymouth, MN þ KWQ/2 1.2i þ It only takes one success to make you a winner. --- ProBoard v2.16 [Reg] * Origin: RiverWorks * ProBoard Beta Site * V34+ * (1:282/4093) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Fred Springfield 18-Nov-99 01:43:05 To: Ron Nicholls 18-Nov-99 17:36:09 Subj: Ftp Ron Nichols said to all: RN> Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com' RN> recently. I get a strangely broken up root list RN> with no access to any dir even with full RN> drwx permission. RN> Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered RN> if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub . RN> RN> Other sites behave normaly, very strange. RN> RN> I am using ftp-pm and this started when I went RN> looking for java 118 having seen fixes for RN> same but informed by soft ware choice that it RN> is not released yet. RN> Yes, I had that problem, and went to ftp.software.ibm.com in the US for my updates. Fred Springfield Plymouth, MN þ KWQ/2 1.2i þ If it isn't broken and you try to fix it--it soon will be. --- ProBoard v2.16 [Reg] * Origin: RiverWorks * ProBoard Beta Site * V34+ * (1:282/4093) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andy Roberts 18-Nov-99 10:45:13 To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 17:36:09 Subj: Partlist Linda Proulx, 17-Nov-99 20:19:03, Linda Proulx wrote to All Subject: Partlist LP> Used the install disks to boot OS/2 on the Pentium & ran Partlist. LP> Error statement - could not find file PMGPI. LP> Sorry folks. It won't work. You probably forgot OS2CLU02.DLL 15-Nov-99 13:18:16, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote to Linda Proulx Subject: Get Going JdP>>> I'd like to see the output of PARTLIST [...] JdBP> Unpack PARTLIST.EXE and OS2CLU02.DLL with UNZIP (or RAR), placing them JdBP> somewhere accessible (such as a FAT partition on the hard disc). Boot JdBP> OS/2 (if you aren't actually doing this from within OS/2). If you are JdBP> booting from the installation floppies, shell out to the command line JdBP> with F3 when prompted to do so. Run PARTLIST, redirecting the output JdBP> to file. Thanks and Good Luck, Andy Roberts andy@shentel.net --- Terminate 5.00/Pro*at * Origin: Warp 4 engage.....----------=============>>>>>>>>>>> (1:109/921.1) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Angelico 17-Nov-99 22:30:00 To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 17:36:09 Subj: FTP & Telenet On 13/11/1999, Linda Proulx said to Albert Sodyl about FTP & Telenet: LP> AS> Netscape is alright at Telnet, but I'd download the latest version of LP> AS> ZOC and use that as a Telnet program, it's much better in my opinion. LP> LP> Is it Y2Ked? Wonder what the newest version is. LP> Linda & Albert & All AFAIK ZOC is Y2K OK. Current version is 3.13 John Angelico Co-convener, OS/2 SIG Melbourne PC User Group also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X W Gates: According to my best recollection, I don't remember. --- * Origin: Melbourne PC User Group BBS (3:633/309) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Angelico 17-Nov-99 22:36:01 To: Mike Ruskai 18-Nov-99 17:36:09 Subj: FTP & Telenet On 14/11/1999, MIKE RUSKAI said to LINDA PROULX about FTP & Telenet: MR> MR> JM> Should be Y2K compliant. The latest version is 3.12 here. I don't use MR> JM> the program and cannot due to the authors "anti-combat" clause. MR> LP> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^?????? MR> LP> This sounds very interesting.^.^ MR> MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military MR> may use his program. Call it misguided pacifism. MR> MR> Mike Ruskai MR> thannymeister@yahoo.com MR> Mike, to quote from the non-German Licence.Doc "Use of the Software for any military- or arms production related purpose, whether direct or indirect, is strictly prohibited and will constitute a breach of the license granted under this Agreement." I don't think it's as sweeping as you might have thought. Military *purpose* not *personnel* (although I hate that word "personnel" it makes the point by a pun) John Angelico Co-convener, OS/2 SIG Melbourne PC User Group also known as: talldad@kepl.com.au ___ X KWQ/2 1.2i X Where do you want to crash your Windows today? --- * Origin: Melbourne PC User Group BBS (3:633/309) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 17-Nov-99 21:46:21 To: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 17:36:09 Subj: Dos C drive LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable Why would you do that? LP> in stead of bootable would OS/2 see it then. No, the only thing to set a drive tio installable ist to allow the OS/2 install to find the drive where OS/2 has to be installed - not to boot from. --- Sqed/32 1.15/development 164: * Origin: Der raffinierteste Druck ist manchmal der Haendedruck. (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Mike Roark 17-Nov-99 18:12:28 To: Dave Davidson 18-Nov-99 17:36:09 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... Hello Dave! Sunday November 14 1999 14:52, Dave Davidson wrote to All: DD> (1) When I open the DRIVE Icon to see the list of available drives, DD> how DD> can I prevent the error message regarding DRIVE A not ready, DD> simply DD> because there isn't a disk in the drive? Doesn't happen here.. Not sure what the problem is. DD> when OS/2 is loaded and as a result, neither modem is available DD> under DD> OS/2. I _did_ add the line to DD> the DD> DEVICE=SIO line in the config.sys file. Is there anything else I DD> need DD> to do? Yes, It should have all the information about the comport. Something like device=c:\sio\sio.sys (com3:115200,3,3e8,,). DD> (3) With FP9, my Internal ATAPI ZIP Drive _IS_ recognized and used DD> by DD> OS/2 DD> however, the ONLY way I can eject a ZIP disk is to exit OS/2! I DD> can't DD> swap disks while in OS/2, even if I'm not using it. Is this DD> normal or DD> am I missing something here as well? Yep you missed the little program called eject. Or when you right click on the icon for the drive, it should have a listing for eject. Best bet though is to create an object with the parameters of Eject x: and put it on the desktop. That's what I did.. Alternately you can open an OS/2 window and type Eject x:.. DD> (4) Is there any way to get rid of the Blue background with the OS/2 DD> WARP DD> Logo on the desktop? I would prefer a totally black background DD> with DD> just the Icon's and tool bar, etc., displayed. Is this possible DD> and if DD> so, how? Yep. go into the setup folder and hit Scheme palette. Click on one of the palettes, and edit to your heart's content. Drag the palette to your desktop, and it is changed. Or you can just right click on the desktop, and select properties. Change the background color and exit. DD> (5) I haven't tried it yet, but the question still remains.... Will DD> DOS DD> Communications programs bomb under OS/2 with a ScreenSaver active DD> as DD> they do with WIN9x? Keep in mine I've been using WIN9x for a few DD> years No.. Not to my knowledge. Although there aren't a lot of screensavers for OS/2. Not like the ones for WinXX. But OS/2 can handle things like this a whole lot better than WinXX ever could.. DD> As I mentioned in previous posts, now that I have OS/2 up & running, DD> I'm full of questions that I either couldn't find answers to in the DD> manual or simply didn't understand. I have a feeling this is just the DD> beginning. Play with it. Work with it. Unless you do something really silly like start deleting files, it will run for what seems forever. Mine has only been up for 20 hours right now, but I was playing with linux last night.. ;-) Before that it was a couple of weeks since I had to re-boot. I keep two BBS lines up, an outbound manager, Seti@home, a small Peer to peer network, and Warp just keeps running. Have a good day!! Mike Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 20h 14m 03s 62ms (en). --- * Origin: Finally Warped! (2:2490/8016) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Peter Knapper 19-Nov-99 10:19:08 To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 21:08:00 Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall Hi Murray, ML> (Excerpts from a message dated 11-16-99, Peter Knapper to Linda Proulx) ML> Hi Peter-- PK>No, you are getting distracted again. Once the OS/2 Desktop is >visible, then the BIOS is TOTALLY out of the picture and has >absolutely NO AFFECT on the Keyboard/Mouse. The "stop working" >referred to above refers to when the BIOS is in control of the >Keyboard/Mouse during the initial boot process. ML> Not entirely true when running in a VDM. Actually in this case I was working on the basis that it was a PM app (Solitare I think) that was "locking the system up" and trying to isolate the VDM/BIOS issues out of the picture. I guess that if there was also a VDM session running in the background then THAT may have caused the problem to appear as a PM problem, but I was trying to eliminate the subtleties.....;-) Cheers.............pk. --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Another Good Point About OS/2 (3:772/1.10) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rob Basler 18-Nov-99 11:03:00 To: Mike Ruskai 18-Nov-99 21:08:00 Subj: Software question MR> LP> Wonder if there was anything that runs on Warp that will either MR> LP> receive a fax or transfer the call to voice mail. Another potential MR> LP> option is to answer if a fax & not answer if not a fax. MR>Warp comes with FaxWorks, which you can tell to answer the phone for a fax. MR>And finally, the only way to discern a fax call from a voice call is with MR>multiring, which must be supported by your phone company. I don't know if MR>FaxWorks can recognize different rings. It supports multiring. I use this capability on my company's business line to discern between our 888 number, our fax, and plain number which all ring on the same phone with different rings. I am running the registered version however. You need a modem that supports detecting multiple rings, my Motorola Voice Surfr 56K does this. It also supports caller-id. If you don't want multiple rings, Faxworks can do your voice mail and if it is a fax call, take the fax for you so you end up saving money since you don't have to pay for voice mail every month. The program supports your own voicemail system with multiple mailboxes if that is what you need. The registered program comes with a bunch of scripts that allow you to do multiple mailboxes etc. I haven't tried the Lite version. Rob. ___ X SLMR 2.1a X Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! --- Maximus/2 3.01 * Origin: Frog Hollow Port Moody BC 604-469-0264/0284 (1:153/290) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 12:13:29 To: Stephen Haffly 18-Nov-99 21:08:00 Subj: Re: Get Going Greetings and Salutations, -=> Stephen Haffly wrote to Linda Proulx <=- SH> That's because you've been using Geoworks Ensemble. Both that and OS/2 Trying to remember if I ever asked about the OS/2 settings for GE & if I did, I do have them saved. SH> use a Motif style interface, although the one on OS/2 is much more SH> powerful (right mouse button does so much more). OS/2 felt quite SH> natural to me too when I first started using it. SH> I think you will be quite pleased. So do I. Anon, Linda ... When the need arises, any tool closest to you becomes a hammer. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Linda Proulx 18-Nov-99 12:33:06 To: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 21:08:00 Subj: Re: fdisk /query Greetings and Salutations, -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD <=- LP>> DriveName Partition Vtype FStype Status Start Size LP>> LP>> 1 0000003f c: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 1 001ffe00 d: 1 06 0 1023 511 LP>> 1 002ffd00 e: 1 06 0 1535 511 LP>> 1 003ffc00 f: 1 06 0 2047 397 LP>> 2 0000003f g: 1 06 2 0 1023 LP>> 2 001ffe00 h: 1 06 0 1023 1023 LP>> 2 003ffc00 i: 1 06 0 2047 1023 LP>> 2 005ffa00 j: 1 06 0 3071 259 LP>> 2 00681900 : 0 00 0 3331 5 LP>> **BIOS: 504MB MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024 MR> cylinders. In what way? I have stuff on all the drives/partitions & use them. Anon, Linda ... I'd like to change the world, but they won't give me the source code. --- MultiMail/MS-DOS v0.32 * Origin: Robin's Universe BBS - Winnipeg MB (1:348/807) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 17-Nov-99 21:01:00 To: Stewart Honsberger 18-Nov-99 23:18:15 Subj: Get Going In a message dated 11-16-99, Stewart Honsberger said to Jack Stein: Hi Stewart, SH>I've also had Warp4 installed on a 270 meg drive, with space left SH>over for other applications. Just don't select such frivolous things SH>as extra backgrounds, the games, etc.. At the moment I have Warp 4 installed on a 170 Mb partition in this BBS machine without the bonus pack and Voice Type. However I do have NS 2.02 and most of the OS/2 applications installed on the same partition. Still about 15 Mb free. The swap file and some aplications under test are installed on other partitions. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * I love standards! Such a variety to choose from! --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 17-Nov-99 21:01:00 To: Sean Dennis 18-Nov-99 23:18:15 Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ In a message dated 11-12-99, Sean Dennis said to Holger Granholm: Hi Sean, SD>It does mention that infamous - parameter that seems to be buried in SD>the docs. Basically, it shows what I've done on my system and SD>explains a little from my own experience. A lot of people have SD>asked me for it... I wrote it simply for people that are setting up SD>SIO/VModem for the first time and are unsure how to go about it. SD>I'll post a small message in here with instructions on how to email SD>FREQ it from my system. OK, I might freq it although I may not need it anymore. Just received mtel from Jack Stein and as I see it I won't need VMODEM anymore even though I do have it in the SIO package. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * DOOR (n.) - The way to throw Windows out. --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Matti Palmstr”m 17-Nov-99 11:51:25 To: Sean Dennis 18-Nov-99 23:18:15 Subj: VModem/SIO FAQ SD> If anyone is interested, I wrote a VModem/SIO FAQ... explains how SD> to set it up. Let me know. une) Pay da guy da monny too) Inset da line in ya config DEVICE=C:\UTILS\SIO\SIO.SYS Dune! :-) /M --- FMail/2 1.46 * Origin: Lyktmakargr„nd/2 (2:205/454.451) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 17-Nov-99 19:29:00 To: WILL HONEA 18-Nov-99 23:18:15 Subj: Missing Window control.. Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai on 11-16-99 23:48 about Missing Window control..... WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to WILL HONEA on 11-16-1999 MR> Cripes. I guess that means they just did an equality comparison MR> with FILE_DIRECTORY, rather than a bitwise AND, or using a bit field MR> (my preference), etc. MR> MR> Pretty stupid. WH> I traced the Post Road code and that's exactly what they did. I've WH> got several years worth of this kind of crap collected in one of my WH> YGBSM files - amazing what 'professional' programmers will do at WH> times. WH> My favorite was a set of utilities by a well known and respected WH> software house. In C code, they were returning a pointer to an WH> automatic variable which pointed to a memory location on the stack. WH> char *routine(struct TIME *local_time) WH> { WH> char day_of_week[9]; WH> ( some code ) WH> return day_of_week; WH> } WH> When we reported it as a bug, their reply was: WH> 'This routine is designed to be used only as a calling argument so the WH> stack is not modified before the value is copied. for example: WH> printf(file,"%s", routine( local_time)).' WH> There were at least 30 of these little goodies in their commercial WH> library and they absolutely refused to correct it - all the while WH> admitting that the return pointed to out-of-scope non-allocated WH> memory! WH> So much for that vendor! Did it work at all? I can see where it might, as a fluke, with nothing overwriting the address in question. All it'd take to get rid of the bug is to add a "static", too. They didn't even want to make that effort? Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I am not an idiot, but I play one on FidoNet! ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 17-Nov-99 09:24:04 To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 23:18:15 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hi Murray, On 14-Nov-99, Murray Lesser wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ML> posts!). IIRC, the prohibition against early AMI (and some other) ML> BIOSes was never mentioned in the documentation for Warp 3 (and ML> later). The following is an edited excerpt (via clipboard) from ML> Appendix G of the OS/2 2.1 "Installation Guide" as it appears on ML> the 1993 CD-ROM edition of the "OS/2 Online Book Collection": ML> ..... G.2 AMI BIOS ML> The later BIOS versions from American Megatrends, Inc. (AMI) ML> provide a screen ID code, which is visible at the lower-left ML> corner of the screen during the initial random-access-memory (RAM) ML> count... On an AMI BIOS or AMI BIOS Plus, the message will be in ML> the form: ML> aaaa-bbbb-mmddyy-Kc ML> On an AMI HI-Flex BIOS, the message will be in the form: ML> ee-ffff-bbbbbb-gggggggg-mmddyy-hhhhhhhh-c ML> 1. If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should ML> be 040990 or later for use with any operating system, including ML> DOS. This is because of the special timing requirements of IDE ML> drives, which were accommodated on the date noted. ..... ML> Since I cnnot find this information in the reference material I ML> have for any later versions of OS/2, I cam make one of two ML> assumptions: 1). Exactly the same information as you quoted is in the printed Users Guide for Warp 3 red, first edition, page 300 et sequa. ML> The restriction is no longer in existence for later versions of ML> OS/2; or 2) By the time later versions of OS/2 came out, the ML> people compiling the documentation had forgotten that there were ML> any old machines still in use. It is for Warp 3 red Connect, just hidden away :-( George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: George White 17-Nov-99 09:35:08 To: Zdravko Blagdan 18-Nov-99 23:18:15 Subj: OS/2 3 fixpack Hi Zdravko, On 15-Nov-99, Zdravko Blagdan wrote to all: ZB> Trying to apply y2k fix to OS/2 v 3 (pure out of box) I dowloaded ZB> a few XR_W042.* text files. This is from XR_W042.RM1 ZB> 3.0.1 DEVICE DRIVERS REMOVED FROM FIXPAK ZB> Beginning with Warp 4 FixPak XR_M011 and Warp 3 FixPak XR_W041, ZB> It seems like I have to first download some older fixpack, and ZB> then a newest one. Can that be avoided or which one fixpack is ZB> 'enough' good for solving Y2K and can be applied to the 'out of ZB> box' Warp The _last_ official fixpak for Warp 3 is fixpak 40. All subsequent ones are for Warp Server, and can only be applied to Warp 3 by trickery. They are not in any way supported by IBM when applied to Warp 3 so if there are problems you're on your own. Warp 3 fixpaks 36 and after are Y2K compliant. George --- Terminate 5.00/Pro * Origin: A country point under OS/2 (2:257/609.6) 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Andrew Belov 18-Nov-99 22:57:25 To: All 18-Nov-99 23:18:15 Subj: odin-19991112 Hello All! Did anyone here get Project Odin working with Warp 3? The November, 12th snapshot fails to run GUI applications, specifically those that create frame windows. Simple message boxes are displayed correctly. The error message is always SYS0182 referencing USER32->PMWINX.1022, regardless of application type and conversion method used (I tried PE2LX and PE.EXE). The Win32-OS/2 v 0.04 package worked perfectly. Bye. --- * Origin: Conea Software Mail system - Moscow, Russia (2:5020/181.2) 270/101 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:03:00 To: LINDA PROULX 19-Nov-99 00:28:10 Subj: Re: Dos C drive Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai on 11-17-99 12:07 about Re: Dos C drive... LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=- LP> If I changes my DOS C drive to installable in stead of bootable would LP> OS/2 see it then. MR> No. MR> There's no such partition status as "installable". That's just a word MR> used by the OS/2 installation program. What is in fact happening when LP> Doing this allowed Warp to see the 3rd partition as D where it hadn't LP> seen it before I did that. MR> you set a partition as "installable" is nothing. No changes to the MR> partition are made. Nothing is written to disk. All that takes place MR> is that FDISK exits with an errorlevel of eight times the drive number, MR> where A=1, B=2, etc. LP> Didn't. MR> This errorlevel is used by the installation program to determine which MR> drive should be installed to. LP> Which it did on the original install by making D partition drive C You're confused about what it is you did. When you set the given partition installable, you change it from hidden to visible, and all other primary partitions on the drive to hidden. You'll never get OS/2 to see all of your drives so long as you use Boot Manager, because of the reasons that have been explained countless times by myself and others in this echo. If you repartitioned to use an extended partition and logical drives, you won't have any problems with seeing all drives. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... And those who lack the courage say its dangerous to try. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:07:00 To: WILL HONEA 19-Nov-99 00:28:10 Subj: fdisk /query Some senseless babbling from Will Honea to Mike Ruskai on 11-18-99 00:43 about fdisk /query... WH> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD on 11-17-1999 MR> MR> of empty space at the beginning, and just a single logical drive MR> defined. FDISK did it, not me. MR> MR> What I find most silly in the above is that drive 2 is entirely MR> invisible to DOS, because all of the partitions are beyond 1024 MR> cylinders. WH> You will find that there is a 1 cylinder 'hole' on any drive with only WH> an extended partition. Essentially, it stems from having the WH> partition table on the first cylinder and the convention of starting WH> all partitions (not logical drive, partitions) on a cylinder boundary. WH> Since the extended partition can't use the first sector of the first WH> cylinder, it gets pushed to the second cylinder in order to start on WH> the desired boundary. Waste of space, but that's what happens when WH> you cobble a kludge on top of a kludge to maintain legacy WH> compatibility. I figured something along those lines. It's not noticeable on another drive with only an extended partition, because there's no translation, and one cylinder is only 1008 sectors (too small for FDISK to report it as free space). Now, if we could kill the convention of assigning letters to primary partitions first, things could be a lot easier. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... I've tasted love and I want more. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:12:00 To: LINDA PROULX 19-Nov-99 00:28:10 Subj: Re: file /query Some senseless babbling from Linda Proulx to Mike Ruskai on 11-17-99 12:14 about Re: file /query... LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> MIKE RUSKAI wrote to LINDA PROULX <=- MR> What that tells us is that all of your drives are FAT, and that none of MR> the partitions on drive 2 can be booted from, while any on drive 1 can MR> be booted from. LP> I haven't loaded Warp yet. Each hard drive can be booted from if LP> necessary (in DOS) from their C partitions. MR> No, that's not the case at all. The **BIOS: 504MB message up there MR> means that your BIOS is not doing any translation for the second LP> That is a DOS doublespace drive partiton. There's no such thing as a DoubleSpace partition. A DoubleSpace "drive" is just a big file on an actual drive, which a device driver tricks the BIOS into treating as a volume. MR> physical drive. There is also no disk manager program present. Because MR> of that, no partition beyond the first 504MB of the disk can be read by MR> the BIOS at all. Since the first partition on that drive is 1GB, MR> neither it nor any after it can be booted at all, without turning on MR> translation, and repartitioning the drive entirely. LP> If hard disk 1 died, the C partiton of hard disk 2 is formated with /s LP> & I can boot from it if I needed to by making hard drive 2 my boot up LP> drive. I don't see how, since all partitions on your second drive are beyond 1024 cylinders, which is all the BIOS is capable of booting from. MR> installing OS/2 will result in only one partition of drive 1 being MR> visible. LP> But I haven't installed it yet. I'm telling you what will happen when you do install it. MR> type 0x16, which is an invalid type, making the partitions hidden to MR> OS/2 (and anything else, until the type is changed back to 0x06). LP> But I made it see the 3 rd partition. If all of your partitions are primary, booting one of them from Boot Manager will make all others hidden. Unless you rewrite BM, that's not going to change. If you were to just partition the drive as you've been advised by people much closer to guru status with OS/2 than your friend, you wouldn't be trading messages about why installing OS/2 is going to give you trouble because of your drive layout. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Freud thought women envied the thing he valued most. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:19:00 To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 19-Nov-99 00:28:10 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Dave Davidson on 11-17-99 10:50 about More OS/2 Questions........ DD> AMD K6/2-350 10.3GB Seagate, all OS/2, with 96MB memory. OS/2 only DD> see's 8.3GB of the drive so the other 2GB is wasted. JDBP> I have a 8.49GiB (9.1GB) drive and OS/2 sees all of it just fine. JDBP> The issue with drive sizes is a complex one, and I don't really have JDBP> the time to type in a full explanation here. But here are two points JDBP> that should start you going in the right direction: JDBP> þ The size limits on bootable partitions are imposed by the antiquated JDBP> BIOS API for accessing hard discs (which is, of course, the only way to JDBP> access hard discs before an operating system has booted). The absolute JDBP> maximum size of disc that is "visible" via the BIOS API is 1024 JDBP> cylinders * 255 tracks * 63 sectors, which is around 7.84GiB (8.42GB). JDBP> All boot files and partitions for all operating systems, or at least JDBP> the portions of those operating systems that are read before the JDBP> operating system's own disc device drivers kick in, must fit within the JDBP> first 1024 cylinders. Is there some reason that 0 is an invalid number for heads (AKA tracks/cylinder) and sectors/track? If there isn't, then that should be 1024*256*64, which comes out to exactly 8GiB (trying them on for size), provided the drive uses 512-byte sectors (as almost all do these days). Of course, that doesn't address the issue of drives larger than 8GB. The BIOS's which are capable of supporting such drives actually support the entire drive, through a translation scheme I have yet to find any information about. The normal scheme is to double the heads and half the cylinders, but that stops working at 8GB (as it obvious). The new BIOS's can see the entire drive as one volume. I just don't know how they do it. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... Arguing logic with a programmer can get you hexed. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: MIKE RUSKAI 18-Nov-99 18:26:00 To: JONATHAN DE BOYNE POLLARD 19-Nov-99 00:28:10 Subj: Multiple visible primary Some senseless babbling from Jonathan De Boyne Pollard to Will Honea on 11-17-99 09:32 about Multiple visible primary... [snip] JDBP> All three support multiple visible primary partitions without JDBP> incident, however. JDBP> As does Windows NT. JDBP> And as, as I mentioned in a previous message, I suspect also does JDBP> PC/MS-DOS, given that in its earliest days it *only* supported primary JDBP> partitions. JDBP> OS/2 Warp is very much on its own, here. OS2DASD.DMD should be fixed. I don't think that's where the problem lay, though. Recall Linda Proulx's posting of her FDISK /QUERY output, from booting with floppy disks on a system which doesn't have OS/2 installed yet. All of the primary partitions were seen and assigned drive letters, in order. While I can't verify it absolutely without running a test that I'm not keen to spend the time on, I'd say Boot Manager is the only thing standing in the way of OS/2 always recognizing primary partitions in that manner. Specifically, when a partition is chosen to boot from on a given drive, all other primary partitions are set to invalid types, to hide them. If OS/2 were installed on the first primary partition, with no Boot Manager, it'd probably boot and see all drives normally. The other source of problems would be the installation program, which also probably sets all other primary partitions hidden. Mike Ruskai thannymeister@yahoo.com ... And the sound we make together is the music to the story in your eyes. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.20 --- Platinum Xpress/Win/Wildcat5! v3.0pr2 * Origin: FIDO QWK MAIL & MORE! WWW.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:3603/140) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 21:46:00 To: Lee Aroner 18-Nov-99 21:46:00 Subj: Deskarc List Lee Aroner wrote to Jonathan De Boyne Pollar on 11-16-1999 LA> Note: All of the "G:\Desktop" entries are followed by 246 LA> nulls. LA> Add the 10 bytes of the string that preceeds those 246 nulls and LA> you get 256 bytes, or 16 paragraphs. Which just happens to be the value of _MAXPATH in the toolkit headers, for one thing. In another msg. you refer to the X, 1, 2, 3 sequences. If you make several archives you will find that the 1 -3 entries appear to be a used to refer to 3 'buckets' where a new archive replaces the oldest (3) one and becomes 1 while the remaining 'buckets' (1 and 2) are incremented. Sort of a first-in/first-out stack of 3. Note: I may be bass-ackwards on the order. I say 1 is the newest but it may really be 3; I haven't messed with this in a LONG time. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 21:58:01 To: Tony Pater 18-Nov-99 21:58:01 Subj: Ispell ? Tony Pater wrote to All on 11-14-1999 TP> It worked fine and I adjusted the 'Termcap.Dat' to TP> suit this worked fine. TP> TP> Anyways ..... something has broken it ? TP> TP> I've done re-installs, using defaults etcetera but TP> to no avail ... it keeps flashing up an error message TP> when invoked to the effect that 'a non-recognised TP> command in 'Termcap.Dat'. Are you per chance using FP11? It's possible that the way the code is written it just plain can't see the directory that it needs at that line. JDBP early in this batch post a command line string to clear directory attributes: attrib /s /a:d -a c:\* Try that on your drives and see if it revives the program. Long shot but... Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Will Honea 18-Nov-99 22:15:02 To: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 22:15:02 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. Murray Lesser wrote to Jack Stein on 11-17-1999 ML> According to the books, it takes more (minimum) RAM to run ML> Warp 4 than it did to run Warp 3 (but 20 MB should be more than ML> sufficient) and at least a 80486 chip (which you have), and somewhat ML> larger boot drive (I have 205 MB, but the network stuff that I use ML> is in another partition). There are also some add-ons that came ML> with Warp 4 (such as voice recognition--one of the many options I ML> never bothered to install) that require a more-powerful CPU chip ML> than either you or I have. But I can't see why Warp 4 would run any ML> slower than Warp 3 on your machine if you stick to the same class of ML> applications. I replaced the preinstalled Win95 with Warp 4 ML> (instead of with Warp 3) on my ThinkPad only because: 1) I had a ML> DevCon freebie, and 2) there was more device support right off of ML> the CD-ROM for some of the ThinkPad goodies. Now that I have been ML> running Warp 4 for a couple of years, I wouldn't go back (because I ML> am used to it!). For troubleshooting convenience, and because I had ML> a second Warp 4 CD-ROM, I replaced Warp 3 with Warp 4 in my wife's ML> "new" machine when I reconfigured it for her set of applications. ML> But if you are happy with what you have, why switch? There are a couple of differences in the default processes with Warp 4 - which you have complete control over - that would make a more visible difference with slower machines. One is the is SSMART or something like that which is part of the cut down nefinity software that comes with Warp 4. Warp 4 also runs more LAN processes (many not needed!) than Warp 3 did, especially if you don't have a LAN configured and use only TCP/IP for INET access. There are several of these trivialities that would probably show up pretty plainly on a constrained system. A careful study of some of the info about config.sys that has been compiled could allow you to trim the configuration and make a significant difference. Will Honea --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Rolf Behringer 18-Nov-99 19:01:00 To: Rachel Veraa 19-Nov-99 06:08:13 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? Hallo Rachel, RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files? Info-ZIP. A transfer from Win95 to OS/2 via peer network will fail, because Win95 always sends long filenames in the 6~1.3 pattern. :-( bye, Rolf --- * Origin: It's (2:2476/812) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 18-Nov-99 21:01:06 To: Paul Sanders 19-Nov-99 06:08:13 Subj: Warp3 to Win98 lan PS> we have just bought a new system, running Win98SE. PS> In the win95 system we had two 6.5gig hard drives which we have PS> now installed into the new Win98 system. PS> The problem now is that my OS/2 system reports that there is no PS> free space on these two drives (each drive is a single fat32 PS> partition) FAT32 isn't FAT16. So you have either format the drive with FAT16 or install one of the FAT32 OS/2 drivers. Or you have to networking to become acces from another computer to that drive. --- Sqed/32 1.15/development 167: * Origin: An MITGIFT ist noch keiner gestorben. (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Mike Roark 17-Nov-99 20:39:09 To: Murray Lesser 19-Nov-99 06:08:13 Subj: Get Going Hello Murray! Saturday November 13 1999 20:08, Murray Lesser wrote to Linda Proulx: ML> When I finally switched to OS/2 v 2.0 (in March, 1993), I ML> discovered that the only DOS programs I had that wouldn't run under ML> OS/2 were the ones that I had written using those "pedal to the metal" ML> constructs. So, I rewrote those DOS programs to get rid of that ML> nonsense, and all work fine today under Warp 4 FixPak 5. ML> I am no longer a hardware guru, but I am certainly better off. ML> There is a moral in this, somewhere :-). I wouldn't say that. You know how to get what you need from the hardware. I don't know about the moral of it either, but I'll bet your blood pressure dropped quite a bit.. ;-) Have a good day!! Mike Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 1h 20m 41s 812ms (en). --- * Origin: Finally Warped! (2:2490/8016) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Mike Roark 17-Nov-99 20:45:08 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 06:08:13 Subj: Thank you Hello Linda! Tuesday November 16 1999 00:50, Linda Proulx wrote to Mike Roark: MR>> The machine you are running Os/2 on will probably handle linux MR>> quite nicely. LP> True. But not the way I want to. Will need a PIII for the dream LP> machine. It only took ten years to get this one. Heck, at that rate it will probably be a PIIIIIIIIIIIII ;-)) And from what I've been reading, the AMD Athlon chip is pretty fast too. I finally got away from the Wintel systems, and have never regretted it. LP>> And still am looking for a software sound driver. Don't want a LP>> sound card just want the sounds . MR>> What type of sound card? LP> Don't have a sound card. Just want a sound driver like winspeaker to LP> run sounds out of the computer speaker. Ahh, Ok. Didn't quite understand that. I don't think I've seem one, but that isn't to say there isn't one out there. Have a good day!! Mike Internet bcomber@cave.fido.de This OS/2 system uptime is 0d 1h 20m 41s 812ms (en). --- * Origin: Finally Warped! (2:2490/8016) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 18-Nov-99 13:04:05 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 06:08:13 Subj: Clunker update JdBP> "Presentation Manager is multithreaded, always has JdBP> been, and has always JdBP> had multiple input queues, one per application thread. Yeah! But it has a *single* System Message Queue. This one is that accepts events from keyboard and mouse. The multiple application message queues are the other side. If you PM application is in thread 1 working on a message received from PM no other system message can and will be processed until this application thread returns to PM. Therfore the single system message queue is blocked. No event can go to any other application or thread from there. Since WARP4 (WARP 3 Fixpack 10) there will be a timer that wakes up the PM if - and only if you hit Strg+Esc. Then this timer will check the system message queue for forthgoing messages. Fi in an given time no message is released the blocking thread is (temporary) removed from the receiver list and the message flow goes on. JdBP> It's the fact that raw input is taken synchronously from the JdBP> mouse and keyboard into the single system message queue. A little bit technique: At systemstart the PM (first instance of PMSHELL.EXE) ist starting up. This one will syncronise the keyboard and mouse events into single message queue. Then a PM application is started. This application has the flow: Init PM -> create private message queue -> call PM. The PM will set this application sleeping until it receives an event for it. If the PM receives an event foran PM application it will search in its list to find which application ownes the focus. Then this event is put (from system message queue) into the applications message queue. After that the PM calls itself the application to handle that message. Now the application controls the PM until it returns. After return the PM showns into the system message queue for the next message it received from keyboard/mouse to call the same or another application with that message. +---------------------------------+ | A v | >---->system message queue---<>+<--->application 1 ------------->+ +<--->application 2-------------->+ +<--->application n-------------->+ Until the application returns from that message the PM can't send another from system message queue. If an application sends itsel a message to itself or another application it is done like a fuction call. Therfore the PM can't return until this message is finally handled. If an application posts a message to itself or another application the message is stored into the message queue of the receiving application and the work is forthcoming on the current message. If the receiver of the posted message is another application or thread that one can be waked up an run concurrently. --- Sqed/32 1.15/development 163: * Origin: Alles Gute kommt nach oben. (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Herbert Rosenau 18-Nov-99 13:21:18 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 06:08:13 Subj: DETACH JdBP> To be honest, I don't see any reason for keeping this check in JdBP> PM, and I wish that IBM would remove it. It's a kludge that JdBP> tries to create, with smoke and mirrors, the effect that there JdBP> are different "types" of sessions when in fact there aren't. JdBP> OS/2 Warp would be much more useful *without* this kludge, JdBP> because programs could then use a combination of PM and JdBP> text-mode if they wanted to. They can! The only thing a programmer has to do is to - write a multithreaded VIO program - link with a PM DLL then if he would any PM ineraction he starts a thread that calls the DLL and this can interact with PM as it likes. It is a little bit tricky but works well. JdBP> If Presentation Manager didn't have this check in it, PMCMD JdBP> would actually be able to display graphical windows as normal, JdBP> *as well as* be able to print messages to its standard output JdBP> and have them displayed on the session's console. There JdBP> wouldn't be this artificial distinction between "text mode JdBP> programs" and "graphical programs". There would just be JdBP> programs, which could choose to use the session's console to JdBP> display a textual user interface or choose to use the JdBP> Presentation Manager graphics library to display a graphical JdBP> windowing user interface, or even choose to do both. It is a problem of PM (pmshell.exe) to hold full control over screen, mouse, keyboard not of OS/2. --- Sqed/32 1.15/development 27: * Origin: "Windows Error: 004 Erroneous error. Nothing wrong." (2:2476/493) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: John Thompson 18-Nov-99 16:18:00 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 06:31:10 Subj: FTP & Telenet In a message to MIKE RUSKAI, Linda Proulx wrote re: FTP & Telenet MR> The author of ZOC has it in the license that no one in the military may MR> use his program. Call it misguided pacifism. LP> His right. And I have a feeling that this has been dealt with already. Yep. If he was concerned about loss of revenue from potential military users he wouldn't have put that restriction in the license. His choice; his loss. * KWQ/2 1.2i * Internet: John.Thompson@attglobal.net --- PCBoard (R) v15.3/M 10 * Origin: Spare Parts BBS - Appleton WI (920-731-7697) (1:139/0) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 09:47:00 To: John Angelico 18-Nov-99 09:47:00 Subj: Small programs (Excerpts from a message dated 11-15-99, John Angelico to Holger Granholm: original topic: Warp 3 Install) HG> JS>gawk2156.exe | 126484| 3/17/95|12:3 HG> HG> JS>12k is not what I would call a space filler for a hard drive. One HG> JS>reason it is so small, yet so powerful is it also uses EMX, like all HG> JS>good UNIX ports. HG> HG> If I read the above number correctly it is ca. 123.5 kb, not 12 k. HG> However, I agree that even 123.5 kb isn't too bad. HG> JA>Now Jack, you'll have someone start a thread about "how small was >that program I wrote way back when...." I vote for David Noon's 1998 TELLBOOT "external function" for OS/2 REXX, written in assembly language. The DLL file is 619 bytes. Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Happily hitchhiking on the Information Highway --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 18-Nov-99 22:44:01 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollar 18-Nov-99 22:44:01 Subj: Multiple visible primary (Excerpts from a message dated 11-17-99, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard to Murray Lesser) Hi Jonathan-- Thank you for your thoughtful comments. JP>As you will no doubt remember, Murray, back in the mists of time, >MS/PC-DOS didn't actually support extended partitions originally. >There was no such thing as primary partitions. They were just >"partitions", and there was a maximum of four of them. > And they could only hold up to 32MeB each. So if one was rich >enough to have a hard disc bigger than 32MeB, one had to have a >second, third, or even a fourth "visible" partition. The idea of >having an "extended partition", type 05, came along when this scheme >proved to be inadequate. I don't really remember when extended partitions were added to MS/PC-DOS, perhaps because I skipped the 80286 generation, moving from a PC/XT to an 80386-powered PS/2 model 80. But, IIRC, there weren't any hard drives for desktop machines having more than 32 MB capacity before the PS/2 came along. JP>The whole notion of extended partitions is an ugly kludge, and also >somewhat wasteful of disc space since because of cylinder alignment >requirements the secondary MBRs that form the linked list of >partition "subtables" waste a whole track each... With today's large-capacity cheap hard drives, losing a track's capacity for each extended partition is most certainly not an important criterion. With the old, expensive, low-capacity drives, losing a track didn't lose much capacity! That "wasted space" argument is the same meaningless red herring as is the "cluster size" argument when discussing the choice between FAT and HPFS formats! JP> ... It's certainly *not* how one would design a hard disc >partitioning scheme if one were designing it from scratch (rather >than trying to retrofit something decent on top of the old "four >partitions" scheme and retain backwards compatibility). JP>Given this, I suspect that the concept of having FOUR >*visible* (/i.e./ type 0X) primary partitions is a very old one in >the DOS world. It would certainly explain why almost all PC >operating systems, apart from OS/2, support it. I really wouldn't know from direct experience, never having owned a PC-type machine that had more than one primary partition on its hard drive(s). My PS/2 had one primary partition and three "logical drives" in a secondary partition, for ease in system maintenance. My current ThinkPad 365XD has a total of seven "drives" on one physical drive, only one of which is a primary partition, again for ease in system maintenance. But, I spent several years in one of my prior conditions of servitude as a system architect for a large computer company that was/is a firm believer in backwards compatibility (having learned it the hard way a couple of times when "the dogs wouldn't eat" new products that were were much better designs than, but breaks with, their predecessors). So I am still a follower of the first law of systems architecture, as written by Euripides in the 5th century BCE: "The gods visit the sins of the fathers upon the children." Fortunately, unlike some of those other PC operating systems, OS/2 (Warp 4) still contains enough backwards compatibility to allow me to be writing this post using my favorite vintage-1988 DOS text editor :-). Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Have a frabjous day." he chortled in his joy --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 18-Nov-99 18:16:00 To: Mike Ruskai 19-Nov-99 07:15:08 Subj: Re: file /query In a message dated 11-16-99, Mike Ruskai said to Linda Proulx: MR>Which means that you once again ignored the competent advice given MR>to you in this echo, and have places yourself in a position where MR>installing OS/2 will result in only one partition of drive 1 being MR>visible. As I said before, totally wasted time :-( Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * If cows have HORNS, why do they MOO rather than HONK? --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Holger Granholm 18-Nov-99 18:16:00 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 07:15:08 Subj: Re: Margin example In a message dated 11-16-99, Linda Proulx said to Holger Granholm: Hello Linda, HG> As you can see, I have it wrapping at 72 columns. HG> I have the same setting in my editor, QEdit for OS/2 and TSE for DOS. LP>To be honest I don't know who's example I sent about the wrapping. LP>This is my line wrap: LP>------------------------------------------------------------------------ LP>------------------------------------------------------------------------ LP>-- Seems OK to me. With the addition of "LP>" they come out as 75 characters which means 72+3=75. Still well inside 79 characters and allowing for another set of "HG>" before the 80 character limit. Actually I've found that 79 is the maximum in most cases when the screen width is 80 characters. Have a nice day, Holger ___ * MR/2 2.26 * Speed Kills - Use Windows! --- PCBoard (R) v15.22 (OS/2) 2 * Origin: Coming to you from the Sunny Aland Islands. (2:20/228) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 19-Nov-99 00:00:00 To: All 19-Nov-99 00:00:00 Subj: Ftp Using FTP-PM Has anyone tried to ftp 'hursley.ibm.com' recently. I get a strangely broken up root list with no access to any dir even with full drwx permission. Also no pub dir is listed but it can be entered if typed in the current dir window eg ; /pub . Other sites behave normaly, very strange. This started when I went looking for java 118 having seen fixes for same but informed by soft ware choice that it is not released yet. - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 19-Nov-99 00:00:01 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 00:00:01 Subj: Re: Get Going LP> AR> easier to learn OS/2 if you don't have to UNlearn M$ first. LP> LP> Haven't learned it yet. Honest. And Warp feels very natural to LP> me. Just a few mouse habits from 3.1 to unlearn, but no problem with LP> it. Whoa ! That brings back memories. The two button drive fascinated me for some time. In fact recently I reinstalled DOS/WIN3 ( for a laugh - cries of "UNKIND" ) and kept hitting the right mouse button all the time. :-) Could NOT unlearn OS2 - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 17-Nov-99 22:12:02 To: Peter Knapper 17-Nov-99 22:12:02 Subj: Tutorial PK> For Warp 4, start at WarpCentre ==> Information ==> Tutorial. PK> Also try OS/2 System ==> Warpcentre ==> Information ==>Tutorial, PK> and OS/2 System ==> Welcome PK> Seems I failed to include it in the last install. - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Ron Nicholls 19-Nov-99 00:00:03 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 00:00:03 Subj: Re: OS2 Install/uninstal LP> Relax. It's the clunker's bios. May be getting the loan of a 486 LP> board & will transfer everything over & check the difference. If by transfer, you mean switching the hard drive over to the new board, people have done this successfully, but it can cause odd problems. It is best to re-install from scratch on a new motherboard. - - Regards RonN - --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Stewart Buckingham 19-Nov-99 07:04:19 To: Jonathan de Boyne Pollard 19-Nov-99 09:27:16 Subj: Hobbes CD-ROM Hi Jonathan, >>> Could the above also be used to make PCBoard listings? >>> From what ? From the 00GLOBAL.TXT file ? The answer is "yes" as >>> long as PC-Board understands and processes the FILES.BBS format. >> That's the problem, it doesn't. > What does it use, then ? >( I sense an impending challenge to the inhabitants of the OS2REXX echo. (-: Hehe. Right, Holger could use REXX or he could use those unix file utils to convert it to PCBOARD format. I think I used both when I converted my PCBOARD format to FILES.BBS, although it might be a bit more tricky going the other way to wrap the description and inserting a "|" in the appropriate spot on each line of the wrapped description. Something in REXX would certainly be a bonus for all OS/2 PCBOARD sysops, not just Holger. Stu/2 --- BBBS/2 v3.50 Flag-A * Origin: The Chili Channel * OS/2 - Java - Linux * chilies.com * (6:751/222) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Leonard Erickson 18-Nov-99 19:18:00 To: Wes Newell 19-Nov-99 11:34:21 Subj: Processors, experience, etc -=> Quoting Wes Newell to Rodrigo Cesar Banhara <=- LE> A CSU/DSU isn't a modem. It's *digital* LE> interface, not an analog one. LE> These are old and fairly obsolete. They're intended for leased lines LE> or possibly the old "switched 56k" service. RCB> Neat. Others options? WN> Missed the original, but CSU/DSU's are far from obsolete. CSU is a WN> Channel Service Unit & DSU is a Data Service Unit. They can be just a WN> CSU, just a DSU, or a combo, which are usually refered to as add/drop WN> units. Most are used with a T1 line (24 64K channels). The CSU is WN> general used in voice applications while the DSU is used for data. The WN> csu/dsu (add/drops) is used when the 24 channels are split between WN> voice and data. The ones I've got are obsolete, not CSU/DSUs in general. As I noted, mine only run up to 56k on a 4 wire leased line. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Shadowshack (1:105/51) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Leonard Erickson 18-Nov-99 20:25:02 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 11:34:21 Subj: Re: FTP & Telenet -=> Quoting Linda Proulx to David Randall <=- LP> Greetings and Salutations, LP> -=> David Randall wrote to Linda Proulx <=- DR> Front Door has both a mailer component and a terminal. You can choose DR> to use either or both. LP> But how can one run a fr5ont door without a BBS? Quite easily. You just need a FOSSIL (for DOS systems) or SIO (for OS/2 systems. Install FD and run it with the /TERM command line option. Or you can configure FD to default to terminal mode. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Shadowshack (1:105/51) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Leonard Erickson 18-Nov-99 21:06:03 To: Rachel Veraa 19-Nov-99 11:34:21 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? -=> Quoting Rachel Veraa to All <=- RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files? Have you considered using PKZIP to archive the files, and then unarchive them on the destination system? That should preserve the long file names. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Shadowshack (1:105/51) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Leonard Erickson 18-Nov-99 21:13:03 To: Dave Davidson 19-Nov-99 11:34:21 Subj: More OS/2 Questions..... -=> Quoting Dave Davidson to All <=- DD> (3) With FP9, my Internal ATAPI ZIP Drive _IS_ recognized and used by DD> OS/2 however, the ONLY way I can eject a ZIP disk is to exit OS/2! DD> I can't swap disks while in OS/2, even if I'm not using it. Is DD> this normal or am I missing something here as well? Open an OS/2 window and type EJECT . The OS2 drivers *deliberately* disable the eject button on the ZIP drive. You have to give a *software* EJECT command. The one from the OS/2 commandline should always work. Clicking the drive icon and selecting eject from the menu may or may not work (It seems to be version dependent). To make things even sillier, some of the IOMEGA utilities can mess this up. --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Shadowshack (1:105/51) 7102/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Coridon Henshaw 18-Nov-99 16:34:26 To: Andy Roberts 19-Nov-99 11:34:21 Subj: Get Going On Tuesday November 16 1999 at 18:52, Andy Roberts wrote to Linda Proulx: AR> I also have a HP DeskJet 340, which is color but only 300DPI, which AR> makes photos look like newspaper print. I don't use this at all AR> anymore. The little liquid ink cartridge (typical size of many new AR> printers) will only do about 200 pages maximum if used very quickly. AR> If it is only used once in a couple of weeks, then it will dry out or AR> clog up long before you get 50 pages out of it. That works out to AR> about $1 per page. For comparison, the toner cartridge in a Xerox DocuPrint P8e will print 5,000 pages and costs about $200 (CDN) to replace. This works out to 4 cents (CDN) a page. If you can afford the initial capital for a laser printer, don't waste money on an inkjet. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Life sucks and then you croak. (1:250/820) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 08:47:20 To: Holger Granholm 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: An Inquiring Mind Hello Holger, 13 Nov 99 20:47, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman: HG> Yes I know. I have tried to find some text on the use of it in ZOC but HG> the only thing I found was optional parameter /DEV:TELNET. That's the command line parameter that tells ZOC that a telnet session is requested. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... "3 Hail Marys beats 2 of a kind." -- Hawkeye to Mulcahy --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 08:51:04 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hello Linda, 13 Nov 99 22:38, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ET>> I've here the book "OS/2 Warp Unleashed DeLuxe Edition" (3rd ET>> edition) publisher SAMS PUBLISHING ISBN 0-672-30545-3 LP> See Page 46. I see. The alinea titled "ROM BIOS Problems" says "in general" (2nd line), that means you have to try to know if it runs (or at least boots) OS/2, just like you tried and found your system OK with OS/2. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Tagline sponsored by Ginger's Port Limited 614-523-2307 --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 08:56:15 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: File Systems Hello Linda, 13 Nov 99 23:00, Linda Proulx wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ET>> paid) internet account. These days, you can get a free internet ET>> account (commercials are paying your account). LP> And how to get that in Winnipeg? Obviously, you have to check what's offered in your neighboorhoud (or reachable from your area), I can't do that for you. Free internet account with toll-free lines to that account would ofcourse be the first choice, 2nd choice would be a free account with telephone lines to that account with the telephone lines not toll-free. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... "Today's Monday. What are you going to do?" "Sleep till Tuesday." --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:19:20 To: James Mckenzie 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hello James, 14 Nov 99 08:09, James Mckenzie wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ....snipped.... JM> It had to do with the memory address bus configuration. You could JM> install more memory, OS/2 (and amazingly Windows) could not "see" all JM> of it. I see. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... The USA was founded by armed sepratist religious "cults!" --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:21:02 To: Sean Dennis 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: Mail reader Hello Sean, 14 Nov 99 11:45, Sean Dennis wrote to Eddy Thilleman: SD> Let's not forget FleetStreet, which is now open source. I'm running Fleetstreet is a QWK-message reader/editor? Golded is now open source too. :) Sqed/2 is a GUI (PM-based) message reader/editor. I've used Sqed for a little while, then tried Golded and found Golded more usefull for me. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... I've added WIN*.* to my Virus Scanning Software's list. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:25:14 To: Holger Granholm 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: An Inquiring Mind Hello Holger, 14 Nov 99 16:53, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ET>> what about its file_id.diz file (it mentions telnet on the 1st ET>> line): HG> Of course I know that!!! But I don't call a file_id.diz for doc's! I don't discount the little info in a file_id.diz file which is the first I read in a new archive if an archive comes with one. You didn't say you wanted to look in real DOC files. But you can look in there yourself. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... It's a fact...the programmers who made Windows are INSANE! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:34:00 To: Holger Granholm 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hello Holger, 14 Nov 99 16:53, Holger Granholm wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ET>> I can't find any notion of a statement like "the AMI BIOS must have ET>> a date somewhere in 1990 to support OS/2" in this book. Please tell ET>> where I can find it in this book if it's in there. ET>> Neither can I find such a statement in the "User's Guide to OS/2 ET>> Warp 3" .......... HG> Look in the Index for "AMI BIOS", it's there in the Warp 3 book. on page 353 I found "AMI BIOS" in the index, it says page 198, so I look at page 198 and read: -------- begin quote -------------- Mouse and Keyboard Stop Working If you have AMI BIOS, you might have an old version. Contact your computer manufacturer for an updated BIOS level. -------- end quote ---------------- Note the absence of a year, it just says "if you have an old version". In the "Summary of Contents" I read on page xi: Chapter 20. Special Hardware Considerations . . . . . . . . 299 ........ Using Phoenix, AMI, or Micronics BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . 300 Phoenix BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300 AMI BIOS . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 300 ...etc... on page 300 from "AMI BIOS" reading.....aha....the 1st alinea under "General Rules" on page 301: --------- begin quote ---------- If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should be 040990 or later for use with any operating system, including DOS. Special timing requirements of IDE drives were accommodated on the date noted. --------- end quote ------------ HG> I won't give the page numbers because mine is printed in Denmark HG> (in english) and who knows where your book is printed. The back of my copy of the "User's Guide to OS/2 Warp" (about Warp 3 ofcourse) says "Printed in Denmark by Scanprint as, Viby J." so the page numbers in your copy should be the same as in my copy. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... If it ain't broke, don't FixPak it. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 09:58:29 To: Murray Lesser 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: AMI BIOS date Hello Murray, 14 Nov 99 10:50, Murray Lesser wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ML> I have a suspicion that Linda has the original edition of "OS/2 ML> Unleashed" rather than the later "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" (especially ML> since she has never given the latter book title in any of her posts!). This thread must have struck some nerves. ;-)) ML> 1. If an IDE-type hard drive is installed, the date mmddyy should ....snipped..... I found it in the Warp 3 user's guide. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... New from Microsoft....EDLIN for Windows!!! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 10:03:23 To: Murray Lesser 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: Get an OS/2 guru Hello Murray, 14 Nov 99 15:17, Murray Lesser wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ML> I assume that he agrees with me that it is very poor practice to play ML> this game. I don't see advantages to this setup myself. ML> According to a post to Linda from John Thompson, recent versions of ML> Windows can also see all primary partitions. (He doesn't know ML> whether this is "a good thing," either.) I don't know too, but my thought is that general rules which everyone has always used shouldn't be abanboned because most will still these rules and thus it leads to utterly confusion. ML> But there goes Microsoft again, making up its own rules as it goes ML> along :-). Not for the first time. ML> On more mature thought, I believe that the above statement is ML> incorrect. As noted in other posts (not from me), there are several ML> other exceptions to the "see all primary partitions" assertion. I never tried it. ET>> DOS and any winxx version don't recognize and so can't use HPFS >> partitions, but not because they can't see them. :) ML> They don't assign drive letters to them, either! Can you tell me the ML> practical difference between "don't recognize" and "can't see?" well, on second thought, not really. ML> FAT is best suited for disk partitions that are 80 MB or less in size ML> _or_ that have a limited number of files installed. Usually, 256 ML> files is a good target, with up to 500 acceptable. [emphasis added] I didn't know that, I thought it was per directory. ML> To quote from another message from you to me in the same packet: ET>> Please at least _read_ the messages you are replying to. :) Well, we can't read each other's minds, so we don't know what others are thinking. We can only read what was written. I will try better next time. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... WindowError:008 Broken window. Watch for glass fragments. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 10:14:24 To: Fred Springfield 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: PM Sessions Hello Fred, 16 Nov 99 03:29, Fred Springfield wrote to Eddy Thilleman: ET>> PMMail settings under the REXX tab "Program Open Exit" and ET>> "Program Close Exit"; I tried to use this, but it doesn't work right now. Maybe I made a mistake (?), I'll look into this later. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... Windows is weenieware.... --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 10:23:14 To: Rachel Veraa 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: HPFS Filenames to Windows? Hello Rachel, 09 Nov 99 21:27, Rachel Veraa wrote to All: RV> Does anybody know of some sort of utility to transfer long filenames RV> between HPFS and Windows 95 files? This is an OS/2 FAT32 driver: www.os2ss.com\information\kelder\os2fat32.zip it looks like this driver also supports vfat. Be sure to read the accompanying text files. I don't use it because I don't have FAT32 partitions. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... If speed kills, then Windows users must live for ever. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows98 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 12:01:09 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: OS2 Install/uninstall Hello Linda, 14 Nov 99 13:27, Linda Proulx wrote to All: LP> Think I found out why I have the 'hang' problem. According to the LP> manual Page 207 my bios is hitting. It says if the mouse & keyboard LP> stop working needs an updated bios. LP> How to uninstall now? you can remove the OS/2 boot partitions and any additional HPFS partition (if any). Don't forget to delete the OS/2 swap file on the FAT partition you said you placed it there. Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... And the only thing the Borg left was this copy of Windows. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 12:21:03 To: Ron Nicholls 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: Missing Window control.. Hello Ron, 14 Nov 99 18:22, Ron Nicholls wrote to George White: GW>> The latest versions of Henk Kelders WPTOOLS package CHECKINI will GW>> force a restart of the WPS at the end of a run with correction GW>> enabled RN> He's no longer at hobbes. RN> Do you have an address. http://www.os2ss.com/information/kelder/index.html Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... WindowError:020 Error recording error codes. Remaining errors lost. --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Eddy Thilleman 17-Nov-99 12:40:11 To: Linda Proulx 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: SETUP Hello Linda, 13 Nov 99 22:11, Linda Proulx wrote to All: LP> Have an install question. (I know your thinking here we go again ) LP> I want to put the swap & temp directory and possibly some other stuff You can place the swap file in any path you want: SWAPPATH=path minfree initial be sure to delete the previous swap file after rebooting after you changed the swappath statement with a new path the initial number is the initial size of the swap file on boottime the swap file can grow, but when the free disk space on the partition with the swap file gets less then the minfree number (in kilobytes) the system warns you look in the online command reference, it contains explanation for swappath and other commands and statements LP> on another partition other than the OS one. Is there a work around to LP> do this before everything gets loaded, or do I have to wait until LP> after I do all the jury rig? Would love to do it during the original LP> install & didn't see anything on the advance install. IIRC: Selective Install (this setup dialog for the hardware and the software is used during the first installation), push the "Next" button until you come on the page with the optional components to install (like fonts, optional system utilities, bonuspak, etc - this page is larger than the previous ones) at the top of this page the main menu line reads "Options", "Software Configuration", "Help". Under "Software Configuration", choose "Change OS/2 parameters" and if I remember correctly, the page you get at that point is the page where you can fill in such things (I can't do that myself because the "Change OS/2 parameters" option is greyed out here), what's put in here will be placed in the config.sys. If I want to change something in config.sys, I load config.sys in a text editor and I do the change myself. :) Greetings -=Eddy=- email: eddy.thilleman@net.hcc.nl ... WindowError:019 User error. It's not our fault. Is not! Is not! --- GoldED/2 3.0.1 * Origin: Windows95 is a graphic DOS extender (2:500/143.7) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Bat Lang 19-Nov-99 02:28:23 To: Tony Pater 19-Nov-99 14:48:11 Subj: Ispell ? -=> Quoting Tony Pater to All, [14 Nov 99 00:06:28] <=- TP> I've done re-installs, using defaults etcetera but TP> to no avail ... it keeps flashing up an error message TP> when invoked to the effect that 'a non-recognised TP> command in 'Termcap.Dat'. [... text deleted for brevity ...] TP> Has anyone encountered this before or any suggestions ? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi, Tony! I really don't have any suggestions, but I use ISpell in Warp 4 in almost identical fashion to JSpell in DOS, with a slight difference due to the GNU parentage. CFSys envars: SET ISPELL=D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\ SET TERMCAP=D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\ Implementation: (via the batch file calling my editor--Boxer/2). ---------------< cut here >- /* BOX.CMD */ /* Rexx Script to launch Boxer then ISpell */ /* Enter in config.sys: SET ISPELL=D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\ */ /* Install Ispell in the above path */ /* For a different editor, replace the first filespec/arguments */ /* with that of your editor. */ /* You must reboot for the config.sys addition to be in effect, */ /* Place BOX.CMD in a dir in your path */ /* Config your e-mail client to use Editor: BOX.CMD */ /* PRIVDICT (your Private Dictionary) will be created in %ISPELL% */ /* Pressing 'I' will Insert (append) any 'questioned' words to PRIVDICT */ Parse arg filename 'd:\box2\b2.exe -i -a10 -w72 %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 '||filename <<====<<< 1 '%ISPELL%\Ispell.exe -p %ISPELL%\privdict '||filename <<====<<< 2 exit ---------------< cut here >- My email client is MR2 ICE. As soon as I hit R)eply, the email is loaded into my editor by the line marked 1 above (those arrows are only there as pointers), after composing my reply in Boxer, as soon as I save and exit Boxer, line 2 executes Ispell against my reply. When thru spell checking, I am returned to my email client, ready to S)end. I suggest that you may have replaced an earlier TERMCAP.DAT with a newer one, which has an unrecognized (by Ispell) term therein. On my system, I have two versions of that file. The earlier one is in my %ISPELL% path, whilst a later one is in my EMX area. The earlier one is: 4955 07/13/92 18:14:38 ---- TERMCAP DAT D:\GNU\LIB\ISPELL\ If you will give me your email address, I'll file atch a cy of this earlier TERMCAP.DAT. NOTE: My ISPELL.EXE filedate is 01/31/94, which predates the later TERMCAP.DAT in EMX by about a year. ... FidoNet-Mail: 1:382/92 or E-mail: Bat.Lang@92.ima.infomail.com --- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 * Origin: Rendezvous!! 8gigs_20000files_500echoareas 512-303-1324 (1:382/92) 114/477 143/1 +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From: Murray Lesser 19-Nov-99 08:55:00 To: Will Honea 19-Nov-99 08:55:00 Subj: OS/2 2.1 IS dead. (Excerpts from a message dated 11-18-99, Will Honea to Murray Lesser) Hi Will-- WH>There are a couple of differences in the default processes with Warp >4 - which you have complete control over - that would make a more >visible difference with slower machines. One is the is SSMART or >something like that which is part of the cut down nefinity software >that comes with Warp 4. Warp 4 also runs more LAN processes (many >not needed!) than Warp 3 did, especially if you don't have a LAN >configured and use only TCP/IP for INET access. There are several of >these trivialities that would probably show up pretty plainly on a >constrained system. A careful study of some of the info about >config.sys that has been compiled could allow you to trim the >configuration and make a significant difference. Thanks. But neither machine is connected to a LAN (sneaker-net doesn't count!), and only I have dial-up modem connection. So I have removed much of the LAN-only (and VDM tcp/ip) material from both systems, which is why I can backup each of the two boot drives to a 100 MB Iomega Zip diskette. I figured out much of this for myself, and got the rest from Dennis (and others) on this echo. Anyway, thanks for reminding me that, in my post to Jack, I again fell into the common trap of generalizing on my experience with my specific configurations :-(. Regards, --Murray ___ * MR/2 2.25 #120 * Watching for speed bumps on the Information Highwy --- Maximus/2 2.02 * Origin: OS/2 Shareware BBS, telnet://bbs.os2bbs.com (1:109/347) +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +============================================================================+