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From: [e-mail]                         22-Oct-99 18:26:10
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 04:42:00
Subj: Re: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free!

From: "Dave {Reply Address in.sig}" <[e-mail]>

On 22 Oct 1999 14:19:28 GMT, Annie K. wrote:
>
> You can forward them to [e-mail]
>
I tried that and got this:

"we're investigating about this *strange* case of spam; there are too
many
different nntp posting host (from north to the south of italy).
We belive it's a virus that send messages on usenet in *stealth* mode.
Anyway it's just an assumption."


An interesting sort of virus if so, and very clever - if it fires off
when the recipient reads something with a particular string in it which
isn't too common then most people probably wouldn't know they had the
virus and the number of messages, while annoying, would be below the
threshold of most people to really hunt it down. If it really is a
random low number of messages appearing seemingly from random users
then it would be very difficult to eradicate.


Dave
--
mail dav [e-mail]
http://www.llondel.demon.co.uk
Give blood... Play Rugby!


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From: [e-mail]                              22-Oct-99 22:03:22
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 04:42:02
Subj: Re: PMMail, Attachments, and application calling

From: [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)

In article
<[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Dave Parsons) wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:35:22, [e-mail] (Mooo) wrote:
>
>> I have the same problem.  Have yet to be able to work it out :(  My
>> associations are correct, because if I drag the attachment to the
>> desktop, then double click on it, it opens with the application I
>> want.
>>
>> sigh..
>> Craig
>>
>
>I had a similar problem here a few days ago.
>It seems that PMMail/2 V2.0 has a very short buffer that it uses to pass
>the commands to the helper program, probably 64 bytes.
>If the combined length of the 'Program to Execute' + 'Arguments' is too
>long the WinOS/2 program just sees rubbish after the 64th? character.
>
>The file that I was trying to read was:-
>  'g:\mailnews\pmmail\pmmail\temp\filename.doc'
>and the helper was:-
>  'c:\winapps\wordview\wordview.exe'
>
>To get round the problem I had to move both the pmmail directory to the
>root of its partition and also the helper program to the root of its
partition.
>This reduced the complete string to 59 characters and then it worked.
>
>I haven't checked to see if it is the same in v2.1, but if it is, then that
is
>something to be fixed in v2.2.
>
>Another thing to watch out for is that if the helper is a Windows program
>then the path and filename must conform to the 8.3 convention.

I don't think that's the same problem.  I get the Winos2 phantom error on more
than one filetype even though the helper defined is a valid OS/2 application
with a relatively short path, and PMMail sits in \southsde\pmmail.  For file
types that have a defined OS/2 application, and no Winos2 applications defined
for WPS associations, there's no rational reason why it should be happening.

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From: [e-mail]                              22-Oct-99 22:36:10
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 04:42:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)

In article <3809f19b$1$avpx$[e-mail]>, Nick Knight
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <[e-mail]>, on 10/17/99
>   at 12:30 PM, [e-mail] (Mooo) said:
>
>>>upgrade.  Exactly what it upgrades I'm not sure about...there didn't
>>>seem to anything in the readme file to indicate new or improved
>>>features
>
>>There is at least one improvement.  You no longer get black 'blobs' at
>>the end of every line when you print an email on an HP LJ :)
>
>That's a relief!  At first I though this might be just some marketing ploy
>to try to convince people there is life in the product simply by upping a
>version number a full point.

No, I'm afraid that a "marketing ploy" is all it ever was.  Two of the most
serious bugs still haven't been addressed:

1. Infinite timeout on TCP/IP connections, resulting in PMMail waiting an
infinitely long time for responses on an active TCP/IP session.

2. PMMail loses it's registration key and reverts back to "demo" mode, halting
systems that run it in batch mode.

3. Filters intermittently won't function.

4. Messages intermittently won't display.

>Now, it's completely obvious to me that this was a full maintenance
>release :)

Well, is sure isn't obvious to me. ;(  I think it's interesting that although
BMT Micro knew that Southsoft was not supporting their customers who purchased
PMMail from them, and a BMT Micro person who knew about the problem with
Southsoft took over the product, yet the new software producers still ignored
former (and present) customers and continued to produce the product with
serious bugs that often prevent it's use.

I'm not impressed with the way the "new owners" do business.  I hope they do
something in the near future that may change that opinion.  Or perhaps someone
needs to do something to make it much more difficult for companies like BMT
Micro to sell ALL of it's products without backing up the implied warranty
when the producer won't?

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From: [e-mail]                            22-Oct-99 10:00:00
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 04:42:02
Subj: FAQ: pointer to alt.usenet.offline-reader FAQs

From: [e-mail] (a.u.o FAQ)

Archive-name: offline-reader/usenet/pointer
Alt-usenet-offline-reader-archive-name: pointer
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998-Jul-12
Intro-Last-modified: 1998-Nov-21
Software-Last-modified: 1999-Jul-13

[
  Please note that this message has a Followup-To: alt.usenet.offline-reader
  which directs all followups to that one group only.  If you see a response
  directly to this post which spams all the groups on the list, that user is
  either extremely rude or using very broken software.  In either case, they
  might benefit from you mailing them, and asking them to correct it.

  Also note that there are no opinions in this pointer -- it merely contains
  unrefutable facts about the *.answers newsgroups.
]

Alt.Usenet.Offline-Reader is about reading mail and news available to
your normal login account, but while you're not actually logged in.

The alt.usenet.offline-reader FAQ lists can be obtained via all
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``
            Where are *.answers archived?

  All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting
archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24].  Postings are located in the
anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers,
/pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name".
Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may
not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings),
saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name.

  If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives
by mail server as well.  Send an E-mail message to
[e-mail] with "help" and "index" in the body on
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The FAQ lists for alt.usenet.offline-reader can be found on the Internet:
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  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/off-line-readers/usenet/software/>

Note that, despite the name including `usenet' and not `mail', discussion of
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From: [e-mail]                              22-Oct-99 22:09:28
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 04:42:02
Subj: Re: Starting Post Road Mailer

From: [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)

In article <c1.2c.2SXQmr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>Is there a switch or other method to start PRM so that on startup
>it will automatically do something--like look for new messages,
>or send queued up ones waiting to go out?

Start it as:

postroad account_name /s /q

Substitute the account name you want to use that's defined (you can select
one of several rather than all at once).  That will force it to send all
outbound messages and then quit.  To receive only and quit use:

postroad account_name /r /q

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From: [e-mail]                                   23-Oct-99 00:13:20
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 04:42:02
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: Nick Knight <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 10/22/99
   at 10:36 PM, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz) said:

>>Now, it's completely obvious to me that this was a full maintenance
>>release :)

>Well, is sure isn't obvious to me. ;(  I think it's interesting that

I was being quite a bit sarcastic.  You couldn't tell? :)  Or maybe you
could ... whatever the case, I think you're still more impressed than I am
:) :).

Nick
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <[e-mail]>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
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From: [e-mail]                            23-Oct-99 04:39:29
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 04:42:02
Subj: Re: Starting Post Road Mailer

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)
writes:
>In article <c1.2c.2SXQmr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>>Is there a switch or other method to start PRM so that on startup
>>it will automatically do something--like look for new messages,
>>or send queued up ones waiting to go out?
>
>Start it as:
>
>postroad account_name /s /q
>
>Substitute the account name you want to use that's defined (you can select
>one of several rather than all at once).  That will force it to send all
>outbound messages and then quit.  To receive only and quit use:
>
>postroad account_name /r /q

That's good to know.  Are there any other switches or docs which
describe them?  I have the new free version, and no docs.

-----------------------------------------------------------
Fred Springfield                       for e-mail remove 'xxx'
Plymouth, MN
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From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net                     23-Oct-99 09:30:17
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 10:32:22
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)

On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:36:21, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)
wrote:

> No, I'm afraid that a "marketing ploy" is all it ever was.  Two of the most
> serious bugs still haven't been addressed:
>
> 1. Infinite timeout on TCP/IP connections, resulting in PMMail waiting an
> infinitely long time for responses on an active TCP/IP session.
>
> 2. PMMail loses it's registration key and reverts back to "demo" mode,
halting
> systems that run it in batch mode.
>
> 3. Filters intermittently won't function.
>
> 4. Messages intermittently won't display.
>
> >Now, it's completely obvious to me that this was a full maintenance
> >release :)
>
> Well, is sure isn't obvious to me. ;(  I think it's interesting that
although
> BMT Micro knew that Southsoft was not supporting their customers who
purchased
> PMMail from them, and a BMT Micro person who knew about the problem with
> Southsoft took over the product, yet the new software producers still
ignored
> former (and present) customers and continued to produce the product with
> serious bugs that often prevent it's use.
>
> I'm not impressed with the way the "new owners" do business.  I hope they do
> something in the near future that may change that opinion.  Or perhaps
someone
> needs to do something to make it much more difficult for companies like BMT
> Micro to sell ALL of it's products without backing up the implied warranty
> when the producer won't?
>  u

As I indicated to you, some time ago, I believe that you are not
running the program from the proper (same) directory all the time.
That is the only resonable explaination for what you are seeing. If,
in fact, you are running it from the proper directory, there is a
problem, that nobody else has ever reported, to my knowledge. On the
other hand, if you are not running it ffrom the same directory all of
the time, you will get the results that you indicate, and that is a
user error, not a program bug (although the program could be changed
to prevent the user from doing silly things).

Just my C$.03 ($.02 US)...
******************************
From the PC of Doug Bissett
doug.bissett at attglobal.net
The " at " must be changed to "@"
******************************

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From: [e-mail]                             23-Oct-99 11:43:19
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 10:32:22
Subj: Re: PMMail, Attachments, and application calling

From: [e-mail] (Dave Parsons)

On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:03:45, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz) wrote:

> I don't think that's the same problem.  I get the Winos2 phantom error on
more
> than one filetype even though the helper defined is a valid OS/2 application
> with a relatively short path, and PMMail sits in \southsde\pmmail.  For file
> types that have a defined OS/2 application, and no Winos2 applications
defined
> for WPS associations, there's no rational reason why it should be happening.

All I can suggest is that you follow Peter's advice in this thread first and
ensure that you have not got any unexpected associations.
If you are getting a Winos2 error, then there must be a link to a windows
program somewhere that it is trying to use in preference to the helper which
you have defined.

--
Dave

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From: [e-mail]                                   23-Oct-99 11:17:08
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 10:32:22
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: [e-mail] (David Kunz)

Alan Boritz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: 1. Infinite timeout on TCP/IP connections, resulting in PMMail
: waiting an infinitely long time for responses on an active TCP/IP
: session.

I repeatedly have this problem.  Especially when I'm really
multitasking the net (lots of connections competing for the slim 56k
that's available).  I have to close and reopen pmmail. Seems that
pmmail doesn't handle time-outs or missed packets very well.  This is
most annoying.

: 2. PMMail loses it's registration key and reverts back to "demo"
: mode, halting systems that run it in batch mode.
: 3. Filters intermittently won't function.
: 4. Messages intermittently won't display.

Never had these problems and I've been using pmmail since it's inital
release -- but some OS/2 problems seem to be system/intallation
specific.

: I'm not impressed with the way the "new owners" do business.  I
: hope they do something in the near future that may change that
: opinion.  Or perhaps someone needs to do something to make it much
: more difficult for companies like BMT Micro to sell ALL of it's
: products without backing up the implied warranty when the producer
: won't?

I've had nothing but good interactions with BMT Micro when purchasing
shareware.  If asked, I highly recommend them.

--
David Kunz
Operator error.  Replace operator and strike any key to continue...

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From: [e-mail]                                         23-Oct-99 15:03:17
  To: All                                               23-Oct-99 14:34:06
Subj: Junk Spy installed: so far, so good

From: Colin Brace <[e-mail]>

Hello all,

Just downloaded the open prerelease from JunkSpy from Sundial.

The install routine isn't entirely bulletproof yet: It didn't like the
arbitrary host setting in my config.sys and said so, but didn't prompt me
to enter it manually. But when I changed this setting to the actual host
name supplied by my cable modem ISP, the picturesque and memorable string
of <node1e4b.a2000.nl>,  and rebooted, it started up fine.

This program looks VERY promising...

--
  Colin Brace <[e-mail]>
  Amsterdam
  http://www.lim.nl


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From: [e-mail]                              24-Oct-99 02:00:27
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 05:23:24
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)

On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 09:30:34, doug.bissett"at"attglobal.net (Doug Bissett)
wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:36:21, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)
> wrote:
>
> > No, I'm afraid that a "marketing ploy" is all it ever was.  Two of the
most
> > serious bugs still haven't been addressed:
> >
> > 1. Infinite timeout on TCP/IP connections, resulting in PMMail waiting an
> > infinitely long time for responses on an active TCP/IP session.
> >
> > 2. PMMail loses it's registration key and reverts back to "demo" mode,
halting
> > systems that run it in batch mode.
> >
> > 3. Filters intermittently won't function.
> >
> > 4. Messages intermittently won't display.
> >
> > >Now, it's completely obvious to me that this was a full maintenance
> > >release :)
> >
> > Well, is sure isn't obvious to me. ;(  I think it's interesting that
although
> > BMT Micro knew that Southsoft was not supporting their customers who
purchased
> > PMMail from them, and a BMT Micro person who knew about the problem with
> > Southsoft took over the product, yet the new software producers still
ignored
> > former (and present) customers and continued to produce the product with
> > serious bugs that often prevent it's use.
> >
> > I'm not impressed with the way the "new owners" do business.  I hope they
do
> > something in the near future that may change that opinion.  Or perhaps
someone
> > needs to do something to make it much more difficult for companies like
BMT
> > Micro to sell ALL of it's products without backing up the implied warranty
> > when the producer won't?
> >  u
>
> As I indicated to you, some time ago, I believe that you are not
> running the program from the proper (same) directory all the time.
> That is the only resonable explaination for what you are seeing.

I don't recall seeing a message from you previously on this topic, but that's
not the case here.  It's always run from the same WPS icon, and always
pointing
to the same directory.

> If,
> in fact, you are running it from the proper directory, there is a
> problem, that nobody else has ever reported, to my knowledge.

Then your knowledge is faulty. ;)  I've picked up many older messages in this
and other newsgroups complaining of EXACTLY the same problems, some two or
more
major versions back. The one common thread through the descriptions is the
customer getting a response back from "technical support" that they've never
seen it before.  Yeah, right.

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From: [e-mail]                              24-Oct-99 02:09:17
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 05:23:24
Subj: Re: Upgrade PMMail from v2.0 to v2.1?

From: [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)

On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 04:13:40, Nick Knight <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>, on 10/22/99
>    at 10:36 PM, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz) said:
>
> >>Now, it's completely obvious to me that this was a full maintenance
> >>release :)
>
> >Well, is sure isn't obvious to me. ;(  I think it's interesting that
>
> I was being quite a bit sarcastic.  You couldn't tell? :)

It's difficult to tell, Nick. ;)

> I think you're still more impressed than I am
> :) :).

Actually, I'm not impressed, at all.

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From: james.arnold@!!!usa.net                           24-Oct-99 00:20:26
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 05:23:24
Subj: Re: Starting Post Road Mailer

From: james.arnold@!!!usa.net

In <c1.2c.2Sdtpp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>In <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Alan Boritz)
writes:
>>In article <c1.2c.2SXQmr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:
>>

..[snip]...

>That's good to know.  Are there any other switches or docs which
>describe them?  I have the new free version, and no docs.

        The docs are in fact there! Help - contents - command line parameters.
There should also be a postroad.inf file in your Postroad directory.

        Jim


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From: rsanford@.REMOVEFIRST.telusplane...               24-Oct-99 01:05:02
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 05:23:24
Subj: Re: PMMail Mailing List

Message sender: rsanford@.REMOVEFIRST.telusplanet.net

From: rsanford@.REMOVEFIRST.telusplanet.net (Ralph Sanford)

In message <[e-mail]> -
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:>
:>Where did it go????
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From: [e-mail]                                    23-Oct-99 22:02:12
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 05:23:24
Subj: Re: Junk Spy installed: so far, so good

From: Terry Norton <[e-mail]>

I installed JunkSpy, it was smooth as silk for me.  The first four
times I used it to retrieve my mail it worked flawlessly.  However,
now it takes about 5 minutes to retrieve each and every message.
Other times InJoy times out (5 minutes), or I get a "Sock error
10032 from send".  I have no idea what this means.  Nor what
happened to cause the HUGE slowdown.


Colin Brace wrote:
>
>
> This program looks VERY promising...
>


--

Terry Norton
Warped with OS/2

I started out with nothing & still have most of it left.

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From: [e-mail]                          24-Oct-99 00:00:00
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 05:23:24
Subj: FAQ: News and Mail: pointer to comp.os.msdos.mail-news FAQs

From: [e-mail]

Archive-name: msdos-mail-news/pointer
Comp-os-msdos-mail-news-archive-name: pointer
Posting-Frequency: weekly
Last-modified: 1998-Jul-12
Intro-Last-modified: 1998-Sep-27
Software-Last-modified: 1999-Jul-13

Comp.Os.Msdos.MAil-news == c.o.m.ma == comma
FAQ == Frequently Asked Questions

comma is about uucp, mail, and news for msdos or ms-windows or os2.

The comp.os.msdos.mail-news FAQ lists can be obtained via all
news.answers access methods:

quoting the news.answers FAQ:

``
            Where are *.answers archived?

  All of the *.answers newsgroups are archived in the periodic posting
archive on rtfm.mit.edu [18.181.0.24].  Postings are located in the
anonymous ftp directories /pub/usenet/alt.answers,
/pub/usenet/comp.answers, etc., and are archived by "Archive-name".
Other subdirectories of /pub/usenet contain periodic postings that may
not appear in *.answers (as well as most of the *.answers postings),
saved by Subject line rather than by Archive-name.

  If you do not have anonymous ftp access, you can access the archives
by mail server as well.  Send an E-mail message to
[e-mail] with "help" and "index" in the body on
separate lines for more information.
''

The FAQ lists for comp.os.msdos.mail-news can be found on the Internet:
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.msdos.mail-news/intro>
  <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/comp.os.msdos.mail-news/software>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-mail-news/intro/>
  <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/msdos-mail-news/software/>

Note that the charter of comp.os.msdos.mail-news _explicitly_ covers
mail, news, and uucp under msdos and compatibles, and used to cover
ms-windows and os2 until they got their own groups (although uucp
under ms-windows didn't, so it can stay).  the FAQs still list
information for os2 users and ms-windows users.

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From: [e-mail]                          24-Oct-99 16:24:05
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 16:44:17
Subj: Re: Download Ia.n.i.!!! It's free!

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, "Dave
{Reply Address in.sig}" <[e-mail]> writes:
>On 22 Oct 1999 14:19:28 GMT, Annie K. wrote:
>>
>
>An interesting sort of virus if so, and very clever - if it fires off
>when the recipient reads something with a particular string in it which
>isn't too common then most people probably wouldn't know they had the
>virus and the number of messages, while annoying, would be below the
>threshold of most people to really hunt it down. If it really is a
>random low number of messages appearing seemingly from random users
>then it would be very difficult to eradicate.
>

There's some good discussion in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet if anyone is
interested.  It appears that as an added bonus if you happen to get to
the download site before they close shop you can download your very own
copy of happy99 as well ;-)

j.

J. Pedone
[e-mail]
http://www.flash.net/~jpedone

It's OS/2 Jim, but not OS/2 as we know it.
A)bort, R)etry, I)nfluence with large hammer.

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From: [e-mail]                          24-Oct-99 14:34:25
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 16:44:17
Subj: Tin

From: [e-mail] (Annie K.)

 Anyone know of a tin binary more recent than the one on Hobbes
(tin122.zip)?

--
Klaatu barada nikto

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From: alessandro.carini@don't.spam.here                 24-Oct-99 18:50:09
  To: All                                               24-Oct-99 16:44:17
Subj: www.warpstock.de

From: "Alessandro Carini" <alessandro.carini@don't.spam.here>

Anybody knows how to contact the warpstock.de webmaster to inform him that
the link in the page
Qualcuno sa come contattare il webmaster di warpstock per segnalare che alla
loro pagina

    http://www.warpstock.de/sessions99.en.html

Nella sezione
In section

    Sessions and Workshops

Lead to a phisical drive Z instead of an url.
Puntano ad un drive fisico

[e-mail] -  http://users.iol.it/alessandro.carini/
pgp key available



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From: [e-mail]                                   25-Oct-99 07:40:11
  To: All                                               25-Oct-99 10:31:28
Subj: Re: Spamming the Spammers!

From: Nick Knight <[e-mail]>

In <380c23f5$1$avgroveq$[e-mail]>, on 10/19/99
   at 03:28 AM, [e-mail] (Barry Mann) said:

>Every so often I'll get a message that will cause trouble. There is a
>stray character somewhere that bugs my mail client and the message is not
>completely read because the mail client stalls on the bad character. Next
>time messages are fetched we repeat the above. I can also imagine that a
>bad character in the message file name will cause trouble.

If this is MR/2 you're talking about (I think it's a safe guess :), then
you should know that in v1.61 I added some code that, AFAICT, eliminates
this problem.  Basically, I found some Netscape-originating emails with
embedded NULL characters, which caused much trouble when using C++-based
string calls.  These are now handled.

I see you're using v1.60 now.  v1.62 is available on the MR/2 ICE web
page:

    http://nick.secant.com/mr2ice.htm

This had a few minor bug fixes above-and-beyond what you're using now,
including a little patch to accomodate a new FP10/11 problem.

Later versions are beta's, still, but there are some HUGE performance
enhancements in the current versions.

Nick
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <[e-mail]>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
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From: [e-mail]                        25-Oct-99 12:35:05
  To: All                                               25-Oct-99 16:44:04
Subj: Re: PMMail, Attachments, and application calling

From: [e-mail] (Kim A. Sommer)

In article <[e-mail]>,
John M Price PhD  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I have a strange problem with attachments.  Some work, others don't, and
>I can't see why.  For instance,  I have one with a .txt extension,
>properly opened by E.EXE, as noted in the settings.  However, I can't
>open the attachment, and I get a WinOS2 error message (!) about invalid
>path.
>
>I then typed the full path to the program, F:\EEE\E.EXE (which is on the
>path in config.sys) and still, a WinOS2 error.  I moved the %s to the
>program line, and I get, yep, a WinOS2 error.
>



I have the same problem with BMPS and it seems PCX files.  And I had no
asscoiatoins in PMMail for PCX.  I would get a win-os2 error when trying
to open BMP files.  PMJPEG (and now PMView) was the program I was trying
to use.

I did have assocations for word procesing and spreadsheet files to MS Word
and Excel (Office 4.2 - win16) which I had removed a little bit ago.

When I changed those associatons for (DOC, WPD< SAM, XLS etc) to
StarOffice, guess what happened when I tried to open a BMP?  You got it.
Star Office opened.  THe same thing happens to me with PCX files too.

If I remove the spreadsheet and word processing associtaions compeltely,
then I get and error that PMMail tried to open a program in the foreground
but that it got opened in the background instead.  And what does CTRL-ESC
bring up?  PMView with the BMP I was trying to view.

The only clue I have is that BMP is an octet-stream mime type like word
processing and spreadsheet.

The only other thing, I just thought of it, is that I haven't tried
disabling Object Desktop.  IT always bugged me that OD has file viewer
built in and it seemed PMMAil should jsut be able to latch into those if
nothing else is specified.

How many folks with this problem are running OD 2.0?


I don't know if this ehelps anyone but it is definetely a bug somewhere
and it seems nothing you do with the associations wil change it much.  If
OD is the culprit, then is there anything for OS/2 that gives me quick
Word file viewers and virtual desktops?  I've not always been happy with
the speed decrease OD brings with it for it's usability but that's for
another thread.



Regards,
Kim


--
-------
Kim A. Sommer
Humans do it Better!  The Open Directory Project - http://dmoz.org

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From: [e-mail]                              25-Oct-99 23:20:22
  To: All                                               25-Oct-99 19:06:15
Subj: Re: Sendmail 8.9.3

From: Adam =?iso-8859-2?Q?P=B3aszczyca?= <[e-mail]>

John Poltorak napisaⁿ(a):

> I have been trying to get sendmail set up myself, but find it traps with a
> Sys3173 in TCPIP32.DLL while receiving mail. This is with MPTS 8620.
>
> Have you had it working at all?

Yes, it working with no traps.
I have OS/2 v.4 Polish with 11 fixpak, MPTS is 8600.


--
     ___________ (R)
    /_  _______      Adam Pⁿaszczyca ([phone]
  ___/ /_  ___      ul. Jagielloñska 62 m 120, 03-468 Warszawa
 _______/ /_     IRC: _555, http://www.waw.pdi.net/~trzypion/
___________/     mail: [e-mail] UIN: 4098313

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From: [e-mail]                             26-Oct-99 15:09:24
  To: All                                               26-Oct-99 20:25:01
Subj: Re: email tracking problem

From: "Ptah" <[e-mail]>

often when people get a message where the sender has asked for a read
receipt, the receiver gets prompted before the receipt is sent ....  I can
tell you that in my case I always refuse to send the receipt, for two
reasons:
- I am not keen to let people know if I have read their email :-)
- The network is already submerged with trashmail en spam, no need to add to
this.......

hopes this provides some help......


Melanie Mathewson wrote in message <7uhq25$or4$[e-mail]>...
>I'm trying to set my email gadget so that I can request a read receipt
>everytime I send someone an email. (I am always keen to know whether
someone
>has not yet read my messages, or whether they are just too darn slack to
>reply).
>
>I've got outlook2000 and when I do a 'new message' I select options,
>tracking options, and the 'request a read receipt for this message' box is
>always already checked.  But I have only ever received one 'read receipt'.
>
>Does this mean that my recipients have switched off the thing that sends me
>a receipt?  Or am I doing something wrong?
>thanks,
>Melanie
>*** Remove the NOSPAMs to e-mail me ***
>
>
>


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From: melaniemNOSPAM@tNOSPAMtartarus.u...               27-Oct-99 10:18:29
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 10:23:14
Subj: Re: email tracking problem

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: "Melanie Mathewson" <[e-mail]>

ok, thanks everyone, that has answered my questions.
bye,
melanie
-
Melanie
*** Remove the NOSPAMs to e-mail me ***


Ptah <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:7v496v$[e-mail]...
> often when people get a message where the sender has asked for a read
> receipt, the receiver gets prompted before the receipt is sent
snip
>
> Melanie Mathewson wrote in message <7uhq25$or4$[e-mail]>...
> >I'm trying to set my email gadget so that I can request a read receipt
> >everytime I send someone an email. (I am always keen to know whether
> someone
> >has not yet read my messages, or whether they are just too darn slack to
> >reply).
snip> >



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From: [e-mail]                                    26-Oct-99 22:32:24
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 10:23:14
Subj: Re: Junk Spy installed: so far, so good

From: Terry Norton <[e-mail]>

No help.  I have no idea what happened to cause this.  I just tried
with your suggestion.  The "Retrieving message 1 of 2" just stays
and there's no TCP/IP activity at all.  The little yellow envelope
on JunkSpy is as far as it gets before the activity stops.  Also, it
usually takes a very long time to log into the news server as well.
When I go back to non-JunkSpy operation everything zips right along.


Bill Clark wrote:
>
> Terry Norton <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > I installed JunkSpy, it was smooth as silk for me.  The first four
> > times I used it to retrieve my mail it worked flawlessly.  However,
> > now it takes about 5 minutes to retrieve each and every message.
> > Other times InJoy times out (5 minutes), or I get a "Sock error
> > 10032 from send".  I have no idea what this means.  Nor what
> > happened to cause the HUGE slowdown.
>
> Try going to Settings > Detector and turning off the blackhole list
> support option...
>


--

Terry Norton
Warped with OS/2

I started out with nothing & still have most of it left.

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From: [e-mail]                                    26-Oct-99 22:35:05
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 10:23:14
Subj: Re: Junk Spy installed: so far, so good

From: Terry Norton <[e-mail]>

I mean mail server.

>>Also, it usually takes a very long time to log into the news server as well.
When I go back to non-JunkSpy operation everything zips right along.


--

Terry Norton
Warped with OS/2

I started out with nothing & still have most of it left.

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From: [e-mail]                                   27-Oct-99 12:01:06
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 10:23:17
Subj: MR/2 ICE's Sig Support

From: Nick Knight <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 10/26/99
   at 01:22 AM, "J. Moreno" <[e-mail]> said:

>In article <381442c7$1$avpx$[e-mail]>, Nick Knight
><[e-mail]> wrote:

>>     http://nick.secant.com/mr2ice.htm

>Nick (or any other MR/2 ICE user) what sort of sig support does it
>have?  Does it exclude the sig when quoting?  Starting from the top or
>the bottom?

I'm not sure if you're asking about the source sig or outgoing sig, so
I'll just ramble some and hopefully answer your question.

When preparing to quote a full email/news article, MR/2 will truncate the
quote at the "-- " line and not quote past this.  Of course, it's
sensitive to maked text and won't even bother with the sig block if a
specific text area has been marked for quoting.  (And, MR/2 makes it easy
to move back and forth between source message and reply, so multiple
selected quote blocks are easy).

As far as placing a new sig on the tail of your reply, MR/2 can accomodate
complex setups.  However, as a default, it just inserts a SIG block that
the user can edit from the main Utilities menu.

The reply system of MR/2 is template based.    There are default templates
that you can edit, but you are free to create as many as you like.  When
replying, you can opt to use the default template, or select from any
other template.  Templates can be as as simple as to select a different
sig block, but they can do more than that, including quoting options,
modify attribution lines and even modify header lines.  Templates make use
of reply-time variables that will insert text values when the template is
converted to the reply.

It's possible to even call REXX scripts inside a template.  This is handy,
for example, to create heading lines or a sig with some external utility
program (or rexx itself) and then have MR/2 "include" a resulting file's
contents in the template expansion.

I hope this answers the original question :)

Nick
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <[e-mail]>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail]                             27-Oct-99 20:39:06
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 10:23:18
Subj: Re: MR/2 ICE's Sig Support

From: "J. Moreno" <[e-mail]>

Nick Knight <[e-mail]> wrote:

>"J. Moreno" <[e-mail]> said:
>
> >Nick (or any other MR/2 ICE user) what sort of sig support does it
> >have?  Does it exclude the sig when quoting?  Starting from the top
> >or the bottom?
>
> I'm not sure if you're asking about the source sig or outgoing sig, so
> I'll just ramble some and hopefully answer your question.

I was asking about the source sig, but I should have asked a question
about the outgoing sig -- given the quality of the rest of the sig
support, it undoubtably inserts a correct sigdash by default on
outgoing messages, does it always do that or is it optional?

> When preparing to quote a full email/news article, MR/2 will truncate
> the quote at the "-- " line and not quote past this.  Of course, it's
> sensitive to maked text and won't even bother with the sig block if a
> specific text area has been marked for quoting.  (And, MR/2 makes it
> easy to move back and forth between source message and reply, so
> multiple selected quote blocks are easy).
-snip-
> I hope this answers the original question :)

Well, it answer most of it (it's got great sig support, particularly
for outgoing), but there's still the question of whether it looks (by
default, given the snipped description I think the user can probably
switch it around) from top to bottom or from bottom to top.

i.e.

(I hope you don't mind the questions, I'm fishing for information for
two different projects).


--
John "Does the sig start here" Moreno

--
John "Or does it start here?" Moreno
January 1, 2000: 66 days away

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From: [e-mail]                                   27-Oct-99 21:41:06
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 10:23:18
Subj: Re: MR/2 ICE's Sig Support

From: Nick Knight <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 10/27/99
   at 08:39 PM, "J. Moreno" <[e-mail]> said:

>I was asking about the source sig, but I should have asked a question
>about the outgoing sig -- given the quality of the rest of the sig
>support, it undoubtably inserts a correct sigdash by default on outgoing
>messages, does it always do that or is it optional?

Ah, I see.  On outgoing sig's, the default has the "-- " line.  However,
the user is free to edit this out ... they have complete control over the
sig block.  In addition, the sig is inserted into the message before
editing, so adjustments can be made at that time.

>Well, it answer most of it (it's got great sig support, particularly for
>outgoing), but there's still the question of whether it looks (by
>default, given the snipped description I think the user can probably
>switch it around) from top to bottom or from bottom to top.

Now I understand.  I didn't really know, so first I looked at the source
code and see that it searches from the top down.  I confirmed this with
your test, and it chopped your test text.  I've never considered that
possibility; I'll see if I can't adjust this :)

Nick
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <[e-mail]>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
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From: [e-mail]                                   28-Oct-99 09:32:09
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 14:45:06
Subj: Re: MR/2 ICE's Sig Support

From: Nick Knight <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 10/27/99
   at 08:39 PM, "J. Moreno" <[e-mail]> said:

>Well, it answer most of it (it's got great sig support, particularly for
>outgoing), but there's still the question of whether it looks (by
>default, given the snipped description I think the user can probably
>switch it around) from top to bottom or from bottom to top.

I thought about this some overnight.  I'm not sure which behavior would be
"proper" now.  I guess, if a previous mailer/user somehow included text
after a sig marker but before their own, it would be prudent to preserve
this.  OTOH, stacked sigs are still just that, sigs.

What's your take on the proper behaviour?

Nick
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Nick Knight  <[e-mail]>       http://nick.secant.com
Senior Software Engineer
Secant Technologies, Inc.             http://www.secant.com
-----------------------------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail]                             28-Oct-99 12:10:01
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 14:45:07
Subj: Re: MR/2 ICE's Sig Support

From: "J. Moreno" <[e-mail]>

Nick Knight <[e-mail]> wrote:

> "J. Moreno" <[e-mail]> said:
>
> >it undoubtably inserts a correct sigdash by default on outgoing
> >messages, does it always do that or is it optional?
>
> Ah, I see.  On outgoing sig's, the default has the "-- " line.  However,
> the user is free to edit this out ... they have complete control over the
> sig block.  In addition, the sig is inserted into the message before
> editing, so adjustments can be made at that time.

OK, that makes it clear.  Thanks for the info.

> >Well, it answer most of it (it's got great sig support, particularly
> >for outgoing), but there's still the question of whether it looks
> >(by default, given the snipped description I think the user can
> >probably switch it around) from top to bottom or from bottom to top.
>
> Now I understand.  I didn't really know, so first I looked at the source
> code and see that it searches from the top down.  I confirmed this with
> your test, and it chopped your test text.  I've never considered that
> possibility; I'll see if I can't adjust this :)

It doesn't happen very often, and except for my little test posts I
can't recall it actually being on purpose, but when it was being
discussed on USEFOR some months ago, the issue of whether it should be
the first sigdash from the top or the first from the bottom came up
(i.e. what to do about false positives), so I went looking to see what
various programs did (that's one project and it lead to the other,
after looking into what was being done I made the mistake of saying I
could name 20+ programs, mainly newsreaders, that at the very least,
didn't quote the sig, and Sven Guckes called me on it for use as a seed
to an addition to his alt.fan.warlord page [1], I thought it was about
time I added another entry [30+ at the moment]).

[1] <http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/afw/#sigsupport>.

--
John Moreno
January 1, 2000: 66 days away

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From: [e-mail]                             28-Oct-99 13:07:12
  To: All                                               28-Oct-99 16:44:09
Subj: Re: MR/2 ICE's Sig Support

From: "J. Moreno" <[e-mail]>

Nick Knight <[e-mail]> wrote:

> In <[e-mail]>, on 10/27/99
>    at 08:39 PM, "J. Moreno" <[e-mail]> said:
>
> >Well, it answer most of it (it's got great sig support, particularly for
> >outgoing), but there's still the question of whether it looks (by
> >default, given the snipped description I think the user can probably
> >switch it around) from top to bottom or from bottom to top.
>
> I thought about this some overnight.  I'm not sure which behavior would be
> "proper" now.  I guess, if a previous mailer/user somehow included text
> after a sig marker but before their own, it would be prudent to preserve
> this.  OTOH, stacked sigs are still just that, sigs.
>
> What's your take on the proper behaviour?

First that the sigdash is a line with just the two dashes and the
space, so if it's quoted (for instance when you want to talk about the
sig itself), then it's no longer a sigdash and it's not a problem.

Having more than one sigdash (where it's not been quoted, but rather
occurred in the text either accidentally or on purpose) is a problem,
but a rather small one -- it just doesn't happen that frequently even
given the million plus messages each day (the exception being services
like newsfeed.com or deja.com that append their own).  As I said in
another post this came up for USEFOR and I went looking to see what
people do (and from talking to them, the reason that some do it from
the top and some from the bottom generally has more to do with speed
and/or program design than any consideration for duplicate sigdashes).

My opinion was that you should use the first -- it makes sense to me to
scan for it when copying the text over for quoting and so that would be
the fastest for most people.  I forget the exact percent but something
like 60-75% of the 20 or so programs we looked at, stopped at the first
sigdash, and the most likely reason you are going to encounter multiple
sigs is because some posting service thinks in body messages are
profitable.

--
John Moreno
January 1, 2000: 66 days away

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From: ![e-mail]                            28-Oct-99 19:53:03
  To: All                                               29-Oct-99 11:30:18
Subj: Re: Junk Spy installed: so far, so good

From: ![e-mail] (Bill Clark)

rTerry Norton <[e-mail]> wrote:

> No help.  I have no idea what happened to cause this.  I just tried
> with your suggestion.  The "Retrieving message 1 of 2" just stays
> and there's no TCP/IP activity at all.  The little yellow envelope
> on JunkSpy is as far as it gets before the activity stops.  Also, it
> usually takes a very long time to log into the news server as well.
> When I go back to non-JunkSpy operation everything zips right along.

Yup... There seems to be certain message configurations that just
plain hang it up...

-bc-

User Friendly Software:
  That which makes friends among those trying to use it


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