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From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com 10-Sep-99 22:44:22
To: All 11-Sep-99 04:50:25
Subj: Re: Microsoft Web Page?
From: tjb@starbase.neosoft.com (Timothy J. Bogart)
In article <37d92301$2$yvsrqngn$mr2ice@news.vol.com>,
<lifedata@xxvol.com> wrote:
>falbof@theref.aquascape.com (F. Robert Falbo) said:
>
>>if they make it difficult/impossible for non-WinXX users to use
>>> their site, it is likely to discourage those users ever switching 'cos
>>> they'll never find out how good everything is that they are missing
>
>>With a 90% market share, do you really think they care?
>
>I think they figure that market coercion will eventually get everyone. Jim L
>Remove XX from address to Email
>More gun laws will cure the nations ills - just like drug laws do.
>
FWIW, I tried it with netscape on an Win98 installation and got
yet a different errror - server not responding.
8-)
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From: hpholm@post1.tele.dk 11-Sep-99 08:45:03
To: All 11-Sep-99 10:18:23
Subj: Re: verdana + italic + bold
From: hpholm@post1.tele.dk (Hans Peter Holm)
Jens wrote:
>
>If a html-pages uses verdana-font with <i> and <b>, the result are
>strange unreadable characters !
I can't provoke anything like that with my home made html, and I
can't find it on the 'net. - URL, please?
--
Hans
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From: phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com 11-Sep-99 11:31:14
To: All 11-Sep-99 20:32:13
Subj: Re: Microsoft Web Page?
From: Phillip Davenport <phillipd@antares.cloudnet.com>
Buddy Donnelly <donnelly@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
[...]
> The URL that they should be shunting us to is:
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/search/z.asp
> if you really want to use Micro$oft's "Knowledge Base".
404 on 11/9/99 ~11.30am GMT
p
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From: flywheel@image.dk 11-Sep-99 18:26:00
To: All 11-Sep-99 20:32:15
Subj: Re: Microsoft Web Page?
From: Peter Jespersen <flywheel@image.dk>
"F. Robert Falbo" wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:49:24, "Graham" <norrisg@nospamlinkline.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Curious isn't it that M$ can't see the marketing downside of this
> > nonsense: if they make it difficult/impossible for non-WinXX users to use
> > their site, it is likely to discourage those users ever switching 'cos
> > they'll never find out how good everything is that they are missing
>
> With a 90% market share, do you really think they care?
Nope!
But they should!
All Empires fall!
Acts like this will summon the voltures, ahead of time!
Actually you can already hear them in the distant!
--
Live long and prosper...
_________________________________________________________________
Peter Jespersen
flywheel@image.dk
http://www.image.dk/~flywheel/
We are born naked, wet and hungry. Then things get worse.
_________________________________________________________________
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From: crussell4@earthlink.net 11-Sep-99 18:33:11
To: tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com 12-Sep-99 04:17:17
Subj: Re: Microsoft Web Page?
To: Timothy Sipples <tsipple@us.iNoSPAMbm.com>
From: Chuck Russell <crussell4@earthlink.net>
Yes, I get a "Page not found". I wonder if that would be the case if I had
booted Win 9x?
Timothy Sipples wrote:
> Here's a weird one:
>
> Try visiting http://support.microsoft.com/support/default.asp, then click on
> "Search the KB."
>
> Anybody else getting an error message?
>
> --
> Timothy Sipples
> IBM Network Computing Software
> Chicago, Illinois
> Web: http://www.satdirect.com/aviation
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From: tjerick@ibm.net 12-Sep-99 03:48:00
To: All 12-Sep-99 05:23:09
Subj: Re: Microsoft Web Page?
From: tjerick@ibm.net (Tim Erickson)
On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:33:22, Chuck Russell <crussell4@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> Yes, I get a "Page not found". I wonder if that would be the case if I had
> booted Win 9x?
>
> Timothy Sipples wrote:
>
> > Here's a weird one:
> >
> > Try visiting http://support.microsoft.com/support/default.asp, then click
on
> > "Search the KB."
> >
I went for a visit. This is the result:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/error/404.htm?404;http://support.
microsoft.com/support/misc/unsupported.asp
That is copied verbatim from the browser's GoTo box. Note the last
URL.
hmmmm...
Tim
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From: ricard@gmc.ulaval.ca 15-Sep-99 19:40:05
To: All 15-Sep-99 20:07:16
Subj: NS 4.61B2 and java 1.1.8
From: Remi Ricard <ricard@gmc.ulaval.ca>
Does someone konws of NS and java 1.1.8 are working together ???
The ibm site says java 1.1.7 not below but they don't say anything about
1.1.8.
On my system I have NS 4.61B2 and java 1.1.8 and NS says not the good
java version ??
--
Remi Ricard
Directeur Technique CVU
Championnat Virtuel Universel
http://grandprix.cedep.net
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From: jmprice@calweb.com 15-Sep-99 12:51:10
To: All 15-Sep-99 21:36:07
Subj: Re: NS4.61b2 & Printing
From: John M Price PhD <jmprice@calweb.com>
In comp.os.os2.beta article <37D31127.2C9F2D5F@yahoo.com> Michael Kaply
<pspmikek@yahoo.com> wrote:
: John M Price PhD wrote:
:> IIt does not seem to happen in mostly text pages - I say mostly as in fact
:> there are ads everywhere.
: Very correct statement. It actually relates to printing a page with a lot of
animated GIFs on it (Or
: possibly even just one
: We did put a fix for this in the product and it has fixed all the "random"
problems the print test team
: was seeing.
Excellent! Thanks.
--
John M. Price, PhD jmprice@calweb.com
Life: Chemistry, but with feeling! | PGP Key on request or FTP!
Email responses to my Usenet articles will be posted at my discretion.
Comoderator: sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated Atheist# 683
Syndicate Section III - Number 1
Hey, Mom -- they said on the radio that tourist
season opened. Does that mean that we can shoot
them??
- Justin Packer-Hopke, then 14, the visitor
from another planet.
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From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca 16-Sep-99 03:04:08
To: All 16-Sep-99 04:30:10
Subj: Re: NS 4.61B2 and java 1.1.8
From: lsunley@mb.sympatico.ca (Lorne Sunley)
On Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:40:11, Remi Ricard <ricard@gmc.ulaval.ca>
wrote:
>
> Does someone konws of NS and java 1.1.8 are working together ???
>
> The ibm site says java 1.1.7 not below but they don't say anything about
> 1.1.8.
>
> On my system I have NS 4.61B2 and java 1.1.8 and NS says not the good
> java version ??
>
I've been running NS 4.04 and 4.61B2 with both the Java 1.1.8 beta and
the 1.1.8 GA without any problems.
Check the CLASSPATH and PATH and LIBPATH pointers to make
sure that the Java 1.1.8 occurs prior to any reference to the Java
1.02
directories. (or better still make sure there are NO references to
the 1.02 Java, you can use the "Installed Features" object in the
"OS/2" -> "Install" folder to remove Java 1.02).
Lorne Sunley
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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com 16-Sep-99 03:39:21
To: All 16-Sep-99 04:30:10
Subj: Re: Netscape 416 Beta2 wrecks Zip association...How to revert D'n'D?
From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>
"David T. Anderson" wrote:
> First off, can anyone tell me how to make the Drag'n'Drop functions of
> the latest NS461 beta revert to the old NS404 version? There's a
> Netscape DLL that has to be renamed and/or replaced, but I don't
> recall exactly how it's supposed to be done...
You can rename NS46DRAG.DLL to disable the new Drag/Drop in
Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 .
> I'd like to revert the D'n'D capabilities and see if it's the 'new'
> drag and drop capabilities in the latest Netscape beta causing these
> problems...if so, I think this is a genuine and rather serious bug.
> Given the limitations of D'n'D in the latest Netscape, I'd rather do
> without it than see it affect the way I manage my zipfiles...
We've since completely re-vamped the way the drag stuff works,
so hopefully the final release doesn't cause you so much grief.
Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team
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From: dtander@agts.net 16-Sep-99 13:08:06
To: All 16-Sep-99 21:19:11
Subj: Re: Netscape 416 Beta2 wrecks Zip association...How to revert D'n'D?
From: dtander@agts.net (David T. Anderson)
On Thu, 16 Sep 1999 03:39:43, "Jeffrey S. Kobal"
<murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> wrote:
>
> "David T. Anderson" wrote:
>
> > First off, can anyone tell me how to make the Drag'n'Drop functions of
> > the latest NS461 beta revert to the old NS404 version?
>
> You can rename NS46DRAG.DLL to disable the new Drag/Drop in
> Netscape Communicator 4.61 for OS/2 .
Right...I knew that...once,,,,
>
> > Given the limitations of D'n'D in the latest Netscape, I'd rather do
> > without it than see it affect the way I manage my zipfiles...
>
> We've since completely re-vamped the way the drag stuff works,
> so hopefully the final release doesn't cause you so much grief.
This is something I was hoping to hear... I have missed the D'n'D
capabilitiies of the earliest Netscape versions, and I'll be pleased
if they return...
Please don't get the idea I was sore about it...I like the current
version of Netscape for OS/2 very much, and can endure having to
right-click to save graphics and text...
David T. Anderson
Calgary, Alberta
http://www.agt.net/public/dtander/
Using ProNews/2 for OS/2 Warp
**NOSPAM** To email me, remove the 's' from my address...
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From: murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com 17-Sep-99 06:56:04
To: All 17-Sep-99 11:01:02
Subj: Re: Netscape 416 Beta2 wrecks Zip association...How to revert D'n'D?
From: "Jeffrey S. Kobal" <murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com>
Andreas Ludwig wrote:
> Oh please tell us more about that. Did you contact Rich Walsh (pretty expert
> on WPS drag and drop ;-) on 'normal' behaviour? (cooperation with DragText
> would be VERY MUCH appreciated!) According to Peter Nielsen also PMView
could
> handle images directly dropped into it, if drag and drop was implemented in
> Netscape 'the standard way' (whatever that means...)
>
> Any chance of seeing good news regarding any of this points?
I'm afraid that the Drag/Drop still won't "play nice" with other
applications like that, since Netscape wants to be able to use
drag functions to do things within the browser, and using a "real"
WPS drag/drop would not allow other behaviors to occur. So,
we query the drag location from the WPS and do the work
ourselves (meaning that anything that ISN'T part of the WPS
won't be a valid drag target from Netscape).
When I said we "re-vamped" the way it worked, I meant the
way the drag code interfaces with the WPS. Before, we were
creating a SOM class and object, but now we're doing it all with
a message hook and a window created on the WPS process. I
was only mentioning this in case what we were doing before
was causing Mr. Anderson's problems with his ZIP files, in the
hopes that how we've changed it will alleviate that problem.
Jeffrey S. Kobal
IBM Corporation
Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com 17-Sep-99 09:08:15
To: All 17-Sep-99 11:01:03
Subj: Re: Netscape 416 Beta2 wrecks Zip association...How to revert D'n'D?
From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 06:56:08, "Jeffrey S. Kobal"
<murdoctor@ausNOSPAMtin.rr.com> a ┌crit dans un message:
>
> Andreas Ludwig wrote:
>
> > Oh please tell us more about that. Did you contact Rich Walsh (pretty
expert
> > on WPS drag and drop ;-) on 'normal' behaviour? (cooperation with DragText
> > would be VERY MUCH appreciated!) According to Peter Nielsen also PMView
could
> > handle images directly dropped into it, if drag and drop was implemented
in
> > Netscape 'the standard way' (whatever that means...)
> >
> > Any chance of seeing good news regarding any of this points?
>
> I'm afraid that the Drag/Drop still won't "play nice" with other
> applications like that, since Netscape wants to be able to use
> drag functions to do things within the browser, and using a "real"
> WPS drag/drop would not allow other behaviors to occur.
Are we saying that Netscape requirements will be allowed to violate IBM's
longstanding rules for WPS programming? Isn't that putting the cart before
the horse?
And a rickety cart, before a strong workhorse, at that. OS/2 already has
"real" WPS drag/drop. Netscape has minimal intelligence about this, on
*any* platform. Someone should speak up to protect OS/2 in this regard.
It seems to me that Netscape should be improved to the point where it
doesn't crash itself, or OS/2. The less it does to step on standard OS/2
programming, in any way, the better it will serve to bring decent browsing
to OS/2 desktops. And for my money, they don't need to develop News or Mail
with new "features", since OS/2 already has these applications.
We DON'T have a well-programmed browser, and we DON'T have somebody going
out and getting plugins for it. That's what we need.
> So,
> we query the drag location from the WPS and do the work
> ourselves (meaning that anything that ISN'T part of the WPS
> won't be a valid drag target from Netscape).
>
> When I said we "re-vamped" the way it worked, I meant the
> way the drag code interfaces with the WPS. Before, we were
> creating a SOM class and object, but now we're doing it all with
> a message hook and a window created on the WPS process. I
> was only mentioning this in case what we were doing before
> was causing Mr. Anderson's problems with his ZIP files, in the
> hopes that how we've changed it will alleviate that problem.
>
> Jeffrey S. Kobal
> IBM Corporation
> Netscape Communicator for OS/2 - Development Team
>
>
Good luck,
Buddy
Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
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From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com 17-Sep-99 21:01:22
To: All 17-Sep-99 20:04:19
Subj: Re: ns461 download problem update
From: donnelly@tampabay.rr.com (Buddy Donnelly)
On Fri, 17 Sep 1999 14:21:50, Skip Nizinski <snizinsk@us.ibm.com> a ┌crit
dans un message:
> Various beta users have been very gracious in providing traces to us
> thus far to try to determine what is causing downloads to terminate
> prematurely (without an error indication). Among them, Jim LaLone, Frank
> Schmittroth, Jerry Barrington, and Gene Alexander. I would like to
> publicly thank them all for their assistance,
>
> Thus far we have learned:
>
> * the problem seems to be timing-sensitive
> * the Injoy dialer is typically involved
Not surprising, given the possibility that anybody using dialup Internet
connections is likely to gravitate towards using this superior dialer
program.
(I don't believe I have to ask, to find out that Bjarne Jensen has not been
receiving much IBM support for his development. IBM seems to have given up
entirely the responsibility for encouraging and helping ISVs.)
> * the Injoy port speed setting affects the results
>
> While the above is not necessarily true in all cases, it has been the
> majority of cases.
That's heartening. Anytime something can be chopped down like this, it has
got to feel good.
>
> What we have seen in the traces is that the server side of the socket is
> reporting back a return code indicating that the download has completed
> and Communicator sees no error indication, despite the fact that we only
> have a partial file.
>
> We have further engaged our TCP/IP service team to try to get to the
> root cause of this problem.
And maybe engage the TCP/IP service team, as well as y'all, to be using
In-Joy and dialup connections for your daily work, so as to be catching
this stuff on your local boxes instead of waiting for us to mail you traces
you can never be totally sure of?
>
> We will continue pursuing this problem, but it is very unlikely that any
> changes to Communicator will be made before we ship.
That sounds sad. Why the rush to ship a buggy product? Wait until y'all get
it right, is my suggestion. I'm oh so tired of having to work out bugs that
never should have made it out the door.
Good luck,
Buddy
Buddy Donnelly
donnelly@tampabay.rr.com
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From: will.honea@wcom.com 17-Sep-99 23:28:22
To: All 17-Sep-99 21:30:15
Subj: Re: ns461 download problem update
From: Will Honea <will.honea@wcom.com>
Thanks, Skip. Even negative news makes a problem a lot easier to cope
with since it's a sign of an effort to fix it. FYI, I have fewer
problems with Injoy than the PPP dialer and I see little difference with
port speed changes - I keep mine locked by the system at 115k normally
regardless of the dialer used. I have very sporadic dropouts - maybe 1
in 20 downloads worst case - so I am probably an atypical case.
Skip Nizinski wrote:
>
> Various beta users have been very gracious in providing traces to us
> thus far to try to determine what is causing downloads to terminate
> prematurely (without an error indication). Among them, Jim LaLone, Frank
> Schmittroth, Jerry Barrington, and Gene Alexander. I would like to
> publicly thank them all for their assistance,
>
> Thus far we have learned:
>
> * the problem seems to be timing-sensitive
> * the Injoy dialer is typically involved
> * the Injoy port speed setting affects the results
>
> While the above is not necessarily true in all cases, it has been the
> majority of cases.
>
> What we have seen in the traces is that the server side of the socket is
> reporting back a return code indicating that the download has completed
> and Communicator sees no error indication, despite the fact that we only
> have a partial file.
>
> We have further engaged our TCP/IP service team to try to get to the
> root cause of this problem.
>
> We will continue pursuing this problem, but it is very unlikely that any
> changes to Communicator will be made before we ship.
>
> Skip Nizinski
>
> IBM Austin - Netscape Communicator for OS/2 Development
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From: alexie@ibm.net 17-Sep-99 19:07:05
To: All 17-Sep-99 21:30:15
Subj: Re: Microsoft Web Page?
From: Marian Alexie <alexie@ibm.net>
Hi,
You'll find microsoft technical support at
http://www.microsoft.com/support
I got connected to the above web page
and was able to see it with both
OS/2 Warp 4 (FP10) and Caldera OpenLInux 2.3.
Tim Erickson wrote:
>
> On Sat, 11 Sep 1999 22:33:22, Chuck Russell <crussell4@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I get a "Page not found". I wonder if that would be the case if I had
> > booted Win 9x?
> >
> > Timothy Sipples wrote:
> >
> > > Here's a weird one:
> > >
> > > Try visiting http://support.microsoft.com/support/default.asp, then
click on
> > > "Search the KB."
> > >
>
> I went for a visit. This is the result:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/support/error/404.htm?404;http://support.
> microsoft.com/support/misc/unsupported.asp
>
> That is copied verbatim from the browser's GoTo box. Note the last
> URL.
>
> hmmmm...
>
> Tim
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