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From: [e-mail]                     03-Sep-99 19:51:01
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 05:58:09
Subj: Re: Sysinstx for v4 urgently required

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <[e-mail]>

On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:53:56 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

->(The alternative to this potential virus risk is to download all
->sixteen diskette images for fixpack 11 - it is on ONE of those disks,
->but does the documentation say where?  You bet it doesn't.)

Read it more slowly ;-)

specifically it's in readme.1st in the list of files and you'll see that
the files have diskette numbers alongside them.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
([e-mail] or [e-mail])



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From: [e-mail]                                         03-Sep-99 17:58:20
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 05:58:10
Subj: Re: CDRecord/2...

From: Anssi Saari <[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (John Hong) writes:

>     Slight problem I'm having with CDRecord 1.8.24, I can't get this
> sucker to go up to speed=4.  I have a Ricoh 7040S, it is 4x write, 4x
> re-write.  Anyway I can get CDRecord to go at full speed or am I stuck
> with 2x?

Well, I bought some very cheap CDRW discs that I can't write on faster
than 2x and cdrecord -atip says this, among other things:

speed low: 0 speed high: 2

And Windows software won't write faster than 2x on those discs
either. Other than that, I don't know what the problem could be.

And what's with the crossposting to .misc?

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From: [e-mail]                              04-Sep-99 13:48:09
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 16:39:01
Subj: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: [e-mail]

I have an older machine (486) with warp 4.
I thought I would test hpfs386 against the hpfs driver.

Using sysbench, I ran the file i/o and disk i/o both with the
same cache size (1024).

Here are the overall results:

    hpfs        hpfs386
file io    1422.57        1249.24
Disk io    13.919        13.863
simul    2.062        2.003

The results indicate that the slight edge goes to the hpfs
driver. So what is the advantage of hpfs386? Is it only the
cache boundary?

Keith Cotroneo
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                     04-Sep-99 16:54:16
  To: All                                               04-Sep-99 16:39:02
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:48:19 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

->Here are the overall results:
->
->    hpfs        hpfs386
->file io    1422.57        1249.24
->Disk io    13.919        13.863
->simul    2.062        2.003
->
->The results indicate that the slight edge goes to the hpfs
->driver. So what is the advantage of hpfs386? Is it only the
->cache boundary?

The only advantage is the cache size. With HPFS you're limited to 2MB
which might be a bit small given that the average machine now has 128MB
when you buy it!


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
([e-mail] or [e-mail])



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From: {R}@sunshine.tm                                   04-Sep-99 17:36:13
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 04:16:02
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: {R}@sunshine.tm (Richard Ashton)

In article <[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Trevor Hemsley" writes:

>On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:48:19 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>->Here are the overall results:
>->
>->      hpfs            hpfs386
>->file io       1422.57         1249.24
>->Disk io       13.919          13.863
>->simul 2.062           2.003
>->
>->The results indicate that the slight edge goes to the hpfs
>->driver. So what is the advantage of hpfs386? Is it only the
>->cache boundary?
>
>The only advantage is the cache size. With HPFS you're limited to 2MB
>which might be a bit small given that the average machine now has 128MB
>when you buy it!

Bullshit.

HPFS386.IFS has a full SMB server included. If you are using HPFS386
and LAN software then you will have problems. HPFS386 is a licenced
product of IBM and its use outside a Server licence is illegal,
fortunately it will probably fuck over your file system before IBM
bother to prosecute you.

Not to mention the fact you are missing cache386 so all benefits are
illusiory

{R}

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From: [e-mail]                     04-Sep-99 21:45:27
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 04:16:02
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 04 Sep 99 17:36:26 GMT, Richard Ashton wrote:

->Bullshit.

Thank you for your most polite intervention in this conversation, for your
information I have a valid license for Warp Server Advanced SMP. Now go
fuck yourself.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
([e-mail] or [e-mail])



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From: [e-mail]                              04-Sep-99 21:06:00
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 04:16:02
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, "Trevor
Hemsley" <[e-mail]> writes:
>On Sat, 04 Sep 99 17:36:26 GMT, Richard Ashton wrote:
>
>->Bullshit.
>
>Thank you for your most polite intervention in this conversation, for your
>information I have a valid license for Warp Server Advanced SMP. Now go
>fuck yourself.
>
>
>Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
>([e-mail] or [e-mail])
>
>
>

My test included cache386. It appears to me that at a limited cache
size, hpfs is slightly faster.

Keith Cotroneo
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                    04-Sep-99 21:53:14
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 04:16:02
Subj: ZIP 250 ATAPI?

From: [e-mail] (John Hong)

    I saw a message here sometime ago about the ZIP 250 ATAPI not
working with the IBMATAPI.FLT, is this true?  Has this been fixed yet?


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From: gbritton@!britton.dhs.org                         04-Sep-99 23:18:04
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 04:16:02
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org>

On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 21:06:01 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

>>
>
>My test included cache386. It appears to me that at a limited cache
>size, hpfs is slightly faster.

Keith, bump the cache up above 8megs, and the performance under cache386
zooms.


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From: [e-mail]                    05-Sep-99 02:34:12
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:07
Subj: Re: Install Problem- Warp 3 and 10gig Drive

From: [e-mail]

In <7puh0v$54j$[e-mail]>, on 08/24/99
   at 12:25 PM, "M Lombana" <m_lombana<delete_me_to_reply>@yahoo.com>
said:

>If this has been covered before, I'm sorry, however this one has got me
>beat and I need a solution fast. I've been attempting to install Os2 Warp
>for 2 days now in the following configuration.

>Abit Motherboard - 128MB - Pii 400mHz - Diamond Viper 550 video IBM 10
>Gig drive and 4 partitions setup as follows:

>Primary P1- DOS 500 Meg (Intended for Dos 6 and Os2)
>Primary P2- NTFS 1g (Intended for NT)
>Primary P3- Fat32 1g (Intended for 98)
>P4 (Extended) Not formatted at this time will be for various uses.

>During install here is the situation. I load the 1st Os2 disk and the
>install begins, when asked for the 2nd disk the system gets to FDISK and
>reports that the drives are un-usable and cannot be created or installed
>to. I'm sure this is familiar to some.

>The next step was to download the IBM1s506 updates. It calls for 3 files
>to be copied to disk 1 however there is not enough room for this
>operation. In an attempt to get these files to load I was forced to
>remove the OS2LOGO file and the TEDIT Help file. This gave me the room on
>the disk and I was able to get to the FDISK program with success and
>proper drive sizes.

>Finally the system attempted to install to the 1st partition however this
>time rather than start the CD rom drive into gear, it continues to ask me
>for Floppys. I did change the Config.sys statement to set
>COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 as well as try =0 and remove it all together. In no case
>has this worked.

>Can someone please tell me what to do. I need to get this OS on the drive
>to run some software that will only run in the OS 2 environment.

>Please advise.
>Thanks, Miguel

>

=The classic pc bios limit for primary partitions if 4.
=Here extended partition is counted as one. And also OS/2
=bootmanager partition is counted for one. This partition
=plan will count for five. A working idea would be to
=install nt4 to logical drive in the extended partition
=instead of primary partition.
=
=Naturally, there are some 'advanced' bootmanagers,
=
=Osmo



Try  System Commander, It does not require a primary partition and works
well.  I've not upgraded my version sice I don't need FAT32 support.

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From: [e-mail]                                05-Sep-99 03:17:16
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:08
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: [e-mail]   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <Dq9A3.4970$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>I have an older machine (486) with warp 4.
>I thought I would test hpfs386 against the hpfs driver.
>
>Using sysbench, I ran the file i/o and disk i/o both with the
>same cache size (1024).
>
>Here are the overall results:
>
>    hpfs        hpfs386
>file io    1422.57        1249.24
>Disk io    13.919        13.863
>simul    2.062        2.003
>
>The results indicate that the slight edge goes to the hpfs
>driver. So what is the advantage of hpfs386? Is it only the
>cache boundary?
>
>Keith Cotroneo
>[e-mail]
>

   I added HPFS386 only (without cache386.exe) with a 4 MB cache
on a 64 MB system, and here are my results:
                        HPFS        HPFS386
File I/O-marks          2564.406    23934.928
Simultaneous I/O-marks  3.372       3.351
Disk I/O-marks          24.928      23.753

   AFAIK, "cache386.exe" is only a configuration program for
HPFS386.

baden

[e-mail]
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: [e-mail]                                 05-Sep-99 00:18:02
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:08
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: "dinkmeister" <[e-mail]>

even using just a 2meg cache on hpfs386 is faster than
hpfs.ifs with the same sized cache, on my system (pii450)

I'm using warp4 w/ultrawide scsi drives..  'been using it for
the last 2 years and havn't had a single problem whatsoever!






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From: gbritton@!britton.dhs.org                         05-Sep-99 05:04:15
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 05:27:08
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org>

On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 03:17:33 GMT, Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

>File I/O-marks          2564.406    23934.928
>Simultaneous I/O-marks  3.372       3.351
>Disk I/O-marks          24.928      23.753
>
>   AFAIK, "cache386.exe" is only a configuration program for
>HPFS386.

Nope, it's the cache-ing parameters proggie. You can change stuff on the fly,
and it runs like a daemon.




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From: [e-mail]                           05-Sep-99 03:15:16
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 10:23:20
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: Bob Germer <[e-mail]>

On <[e-mail]>, on
09/04/99 at 09:45 PM,
   "Trevor Hemsley" <[e-mail]> said:

> On Sat, 04 Sep 99 17:36:26 GMT, Richard Ashton wrote:

> ->Bullshit.

> Thank you for your most polite intervention in this conversation, for
> your information I have a valid license for Warp Server Advanced SMP.
> Now go fuck yourself.

Dear Heavens, my good chap. Whatever happened to your stiff upper lip?
<GRIN>

Really, Trevor, you shouldn't repress your true feelings and tell Mr.
Ashton what you really think. <ROFLMGOAHAVGT>

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From: [e-mail]                     05-Sep-99 09:05:04
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 10:23:20
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <[e-mail]>

On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 03:17:33 GMT, Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

->   I added HPFS386 only (without cache386.exe) with a 4 MB cache
->on a 64 MB system, and here are my results:
->                        HPFS        HPFS386
->File I/O-marks          2564.406    23934.928
->Simultaneous I/O-marks  3.372       3.351
->Disk I/O-marks          24.928      23.753

This is really an invalid test as it exposes a problem in Sysbench. The
File i/o tests use a file of size 4MB. This is done to saturate the cache
on HPFS. If you use a cache of 4MB or greater then the entire file fits
into cache and you get stupid figures like this from the File i/o test. I
shoud really detect the file system in use and the size of cache it uses
and double that and read/write a file of that size to circumvent this.

Neither Simultaneous I/O nor Disk I/O tests use any sort of software cache
so the results should be unaffected.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
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From: [e-mail]                         05-Sep-99 09:37:05
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:26
Subj: Re: Mkisofs tips...

From: [e-mail] (Peter McMorran)

[courtesy copy mailed to poster]

In <7qnuad$vr8$[e-mail]>, on 09/03/99
   at 07:45 AM, [e-mail] (John Hong) said:

>Peter McMorran ([e-mail]) wrote:

>: When you give mkisofs a directory, it puts the files (and
>: directories) from that directory in the root directory of the CD.

>    I believe that is what happened to me just now.  My D: is a fat
> partition (674 MB).  This is where I stick the files that I am
>preparing  to make an image with.  I had the directories broken
>down to this:

>D:\OS2
>D:\DOS
>D:\WINDOWS

>    In each directory I had other directoires like \APPS\ and
>\UTILS\. Now I prepared the image with this:

>mkisofs -R -o C:/CDIMAGE.IMG D:/*

>    What I got after burning was:

>X:\APPS
>X:\UTILS

>    Basically it just skipped the D:\OS2\ part and only preserved
>the  D:\OS2\APPS directory name (as X:\APPS).  Thing is I wanted
>X:\OS2\APPS  and X:\OS2\UTILS, etc.

>: To make that directory itself appear in the CD root, use
>: dirname/=dirname, where the dirname on the right is whatever the
>: path to the directory is. I've even used DiskC/=c:/ to copy a
>: partition to a directory on the CD. Not sure if this answers your
>: question; if not, please clarify your problem.

>    Could you give me an example of this?  I think this maybe what
>I'm looking for.

(I just did...) If you simply use D:/, without the *, you'll get
an image of your partition on the cd -- the files and directories
in the root directory will appear in the root on the cd. If you
want to step them down one more level, use DiskD/=D:/, then only
DiskD will appear in the root on the cd, and when you open it,
you'll find everything from the original partition.

Cheers,
Peter

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From: askbill*AT*ibm.net                                05-Sep-99 23:16:01
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 14:48:27
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: askbill*AT*ibm.net

In <[e-mail]>, on
09/05/99
   at 09:05 AM, "Trevor Hemsley" <[e-mail]> said:

>On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 03:17:33 GMT, Baden Kudrenecky wrote:

>->   I added HPFS386 only (without cache386.exe) with a 4 MB cache ->on a
>64 MB system, and here are my results:
>->                        HPFS        HPFS386
>->File I/O-marks          2564.406    23934.928
>->Simultaneous I/O-marks  3.372       3.351
>->Disk I/O-marks          24.928      23.753

>This is really an invalid test as it exposes a problem in Sysbench. The
>File i/o tests use a file of size 4MB. This is done to saturate the cache
>on HPFS. If you use a cache of 4MB or greater then the entire file fits
>into cache and you get stupid figures like this from the File i/o test. I
>shoud really detect the file system in use and the size of cache it uses
>and double that and read/write a file of that size to circumvent this.

>Neither Simultaneous I/O nor Disk I/O tests use any sort of software
>cache so the results should be unaffected.

Trevor,

I thought you HAD fixed that - from back when I reported "very impressive"
results with HPFS386 + the 32 MB and 64 MB hardware cache on the ASUS RAID
controller?

IIRC, the ASUS with HPFS-386 even gives dynamite figures for about a 20 MB
drive capacity on things like ZIP -100, Syquest Puma 88 etc. -
 -  so long as there is no media in the drive!

With media, the drives get a bit slower <G>.

Caching can be a bit of a wild card!

Bill Hacker

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From: [e-mail]                                04-Sep-99 22:55:04
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 21:13:20
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: [e-mail] (Jerry McBride)

In article <Dq9A3.4970$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:
>I have an older machine (486) with warp 4.
>I thought I would test hpfs386 against the hpfs driver.
>
>Using sysbench, I ran the file i/o and disk i/o both with the
>same cache size (1024).
>
>Here are the overall results:
>
>       hpfs            hpfs386
>file io        1422.57         1249.24
>Disk io        13.919          13.863
>simul  2.062           2.003
>
>The results indicate that the slight edge goes to the hpfs
>driver. So what is the advantage of hpfs386? Is it only the
>cache boundary?
>

If you'd up the cache size to soemething a bit more room-ish... like 12meg,
you see tremendous improvments.


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From: [e-mail]                                04-Sep-99 22:56:12
  To: All                                               05-Sep-99 21:13:20
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: [e-mail] (Jerry McBride)

In article <[e-mail]>,
{R}@sunshine.tm (Richard Ashton) wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>
>           [e-mail] "Trevor Hemsley" writes:
>
>>On Sat, 04 Sep 1999 13:48:19 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
>>
>>->Here are the overall results:
>>->
>>->      hpfs            hpfs386
>>->file io       1422.57         1249.24
>>->Disk io       13.919          13.863
>>->simul 2.062           2.003
>>->
>>->The results indicate that the slight edge goes to the hpfs
>>->driver. So what is the advantage of hpfs386? Is it only the
>>->cache boundary?
>>
>>The only advantage is the cache size. With HPFS you're limited to 2MB
>>which might be a bit small given that the average machine now has 128MB
>>when you buy it!
>
>Bullshit.
>
>HPFS386.IFS has a full SMB server included. If you are using HPFS386
>and LAN software then you will have problems. HPFS386 is a licenced
>product of IBM and its use outside a Server licence is illegal,
>fortunately it will probably fuck over your file system before IBM
>bother to prosecute you.
>
>Not to mention the fact you are missing cache386 so all benefits are
>illusiory
>

What are you, the Internet Police? How about you go find some kid to shove
around? You'd get more pleasure from do that...

Asshole...


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From: askbill*AT*ibm.net                                06-Sep-99 09:56:14
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 05:58:22
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: askbill*AT*ibm.net

In <hhlA3.9247$[e-mail]>, on 09/05/99
   at 03:17 AM, [e-mail]   (Baden Kudrenecky) said:

>In <Dq9A3.4970$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>writes:

*SNIP*
>>The results indicate that the slight edge goes to the hpfs
>>driver. So what is the advantage of hpfs386? Is it only the
>>cache boundary?

*SNIP*

By no means!   Aside from more flexible (and larger if you wish) caching,
one of the major differences was that HPFS386 moved most of the code into
Ring 0.  Not only is this the highest priority, it means fewer  crossings
of the Ring 0 / Ring 3 boundary - hence fewer cycles required to prep for
and recover from steps required to make that crossing.

Naturally, this is most beneficial on a server with heavy file system I/O
for multiple users - or, in my case, more than the average number of
disk-intensive processes. (multiple browsers)

NT 4.0, OTOH, differed from NT 3.51 in (among other things) moving the
video into Ring 0.  Optimized for GUI I/O, but of no advantage on a file
server.  FWIW, NT 3.51 was and is a generally more stable as a file &
print server than 4.0, where even an "almost perfect" SVGA card could kill
the exec.

HPFS386 would extract a bit of a penalty in a resource-constrained system
if the user was RAM or CPU-speed bound.  If I/O bound, it shows a positive
advantage, just as it (nearly always) does on a multi-user server with
adequate RAM - even with  a less-than-steller CPU.

EDM/2 had a full description about 2 years or more ago.  Superb article,
and worth digging out if you are really wanting the full story on HPFS386,
and/or HPFS.

And I am not mad at anybody (but it is still early in the day....!)

YOMD!

Bill Hacker
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From: [e-mail]                                       06-Sep-99 14:00:19
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 14:34:07
Subj: Can't see long filenames on CD-ROM

From: Gilbert Saint-flour <[e-mail]>

Hello:

I'm trying to read a recent Linux CD-ROM on OS/2 (Warp 4 FP9) and, when I
do s DIR, it only shows 8.3 file names.  If I boot Linux on the same PC
and try to read the same CD-ROM, I can see long names.

Is there anything I can do to see long names in OS/2 also?  I'd like to be
able to read the Linux Docs using Netscape while I'm on OS/2.

Thanks.

Gilbert Saint-flour


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From: [e-mail]                              06-Sep-99 14:28:19
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 14:34:07
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: [e-mail]

In <37d3cb40$1$nfxovyy$[e-mail]>, askbill*AT*ibm.net writes:
>In <hhlA3.9247$[e-mail]>, on 09/05/99
>   at 03:17 AM, [e-mail]   (Baden Kudrenecky) said:
>
>>In <Dq9A3.4970$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>>writes:
>
>*SNIP*
>>>The results indicate that the slight edge goes to the hpfs
>>>driver. So what is the advantage of hpfs386? Is it only the
>>>cache boundary?
>
>*SNIP*
>
>By no means!   Aside from more flexible (and larger if you wish) caching,
>one of the major differences was that HPFS386 moved most of the code into
>Ring 0.  Not only is this the highest priority, it means fewer  crossings
>of the Ring 0 / Ring 3 boundary - hence fewer cycles required to prep for
>and recover from steps required to make that crossing.
>
>Naturally, this is most beneficial on a server with heavy file system I/O
>for multiple users - or, in my case, more than the average number of
>disk-intensive processes. (multiple browsers)
>
>NT 4.0, OTOH, differed from NT 3.51 in (among other things) moving the
>video into Ring 0.  Optimized for GUI I/O, but of no advantage on a file
>server.  FWIW, NT 3.51 was and is a generally more stable as a file &
>print server than 4.0, where even an "almost perfect" SVGA card could kill
>the exec.
>
>HPFS386 would extract a bit of a penalty in a resource-constrained system
>if the user was RAM or CPU-speed bound.  If I/O bound, it shows a positive
>advantage, just as it (nearly always) does on a multi-user server with
>adequate RAM - even with  a less-than-steller CPU.
>
>EDM/2 had a full description about 2 years or more ago.  Superb article,
>and worth digging out if you are really wanting the full story on HPFS386,
>and/or HPFS.
>
>And I am not mad at anybody (but it is still early in the day....!)
>
>YOMD!
>
>Bill Hacker
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>
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>-----------------------------------------------------------
>

Bill, I would be interested in reading that article if you can find it.

Keith


Keith Cotroneo
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From: [e-mail]                              06-Sep-99 14:35:28
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 14:34:07
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, "Trevor
Hemsley" <[e-mail]> writes:
>On Sun, 05 Sep 1999 03:17:33 GMT, Baden Kudrenecky wrote:
>
>->   I added HPFS386 only (without cache386.exe) with a 4 MB cache
>->on a 64 MB system, and here are my results:
>->                        HPFS        HPFS386
>->File I/O-marks          2564.406    23934.928
>->Simultaneous I/O-marks  3.372       3.351
>->Disk I/O-marks          24.928      23.753
>
>This is really an invalid test as it exposes a problem in Sysbench. The
>File i/o tests use a file of size 4MB. This is done to saturate the cache
>on HPFS. If you use a cache of 4MB or greater then the entire file fits
>into cache and you get stupid figures like this from the File i/o test. I
>shoud really detect the file system in use and the size of cache it uses
>and double that and read/write a file of that size to circumvent this.
>
>Neither Simultaneous I/O nor Disk I/O tests use any sort of software cache
>so the results should be unaffected.
>
>
>Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
>([e-mail] or [e-mail])
>
>
>

OK, well since you wrote the benchmark program you should know.
So in the test above, excluding the invalid file io test, hpfs.ifs is
slightly faster.

One of the postees has suggested that under heavy server load, hpfs386
would perform better than hpfs.ifs. But doesn't the sysbench program
mimic server load? Shouldn't the simultaneous and disk i/o tests show
differences here if hpfs386 really is superior?

Keith Cotroneo
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                     06-Sep-99 19:36:20
  To: All                                               06-Sep-99 16:46:14
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 14:35:57 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

->One of the postees has suggested that under heavy server load, hpfs386
->would perform better than hpfs.ifs. But doesn't the sysbench program
->mimic server load? Shouldn't the simultaneous and disk i/o tests show
->differences here if hpfs386 really is superior?

There are several tests in Sysbench that hit disks but they do it in
different ways.

First there's the Disk I/O test. This bypasses all o/s file systems and
accesses the disk directly and works even on disks that are formatted
using unknown file systems (eg, Linux or NTFS) and even on unformatted
disks.

Second there's the simulaneous I/O test that basically starts as many Disk
I/O tests (see above) as you have disks and adds together the results.
Again this bypasses the file system and accesses the disks directly.

The third test is the File I/O test and this is the only one that uses the
file system management of the operating system. This is the only one that
should show any difference if you change the file system driver used by
the o/s. I don't believe the File I/O test really mimics server type
loads... in fact I'm not even sure I know what that _is_ let alone how to
mimic it ;-)

I do have a fourth test that isn't integrated into Sysbench yet (nor am I
sure that it will be). This is a multi-I/O test. It currently exists in a
command line only version. You point it at a disk and it traverses the
directory getting a complete list of files. It has 4 threads that then
open each file in turn and read each filename that it's passed. I'd guess
this is the nearest I can think of to a server type load where you have
multiple things happening on different parts of the disk at any one time.
For example....

Reading F:\*...
Thread[0]: read 792708816 bytes from 11391 files in 410.656 secs
(1885.11Kb/sec)
Thread[1]: read 777324791 bytes from 10800 files in 411.417 secs
(1845.10Kb/sec)
Thread[2]: read 799719399 bytes from 11201 files in 406.270 secs
(1922.31Kb/sec)
Thread[3]: read 785642366 bytes from 10966 files in 406.164 secs
(1888.96Kb/sec)
Done.... 44358 files counted and 3009.22Mb read: 7540.97Kb/sec
Read ahead 2280 times out of 2283 directory reads


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
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From: [e-mail]                         06-Sep-99 17:08:00
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 05:46:02
Subj: Re: Can't see long filenames on CD-ROM

From: [e-mail] (Peter McMorran)

In <37d3c905$1$tfs$mr2ice@news>, on 09/06/99
   at 02:00 PM, Gilbert Saint-flour <[e-mail]> said:

>Hello:

>I'm trying to read a recent Linux CD-ROM on OS/2 (Warp 4 FP9)
>and, when I do s DIR, it only shows 8.3 file names.  If I boot
>Linux on the same PC and try to read the same CD-ROM, I can see
>long names.

>Is there anything I can do to see long names in OS/2 also?  I'd
>like to be able to read the Linux Docs using Netscape while I'm
>on OS/2.

>Thanks.

>Gilbert Saint-flour

Hi, Gilbert,

If the files are formatted with Joliet version 3, you might try
newcrdom.zip from Hobbes. It's IBM's latest version of
os2cdrom.dmd. Not sure which directory it was in -- just do a
search and it'll pop up.

Cheers,
Peter

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From: [e-mail]                              06-Sep-99 22:28:02
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 05:46:03
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: [e-mail]

In <[e-mail]>, "Trevor
Hemsley" <[e-mail]> writes:
>On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 14:35:57 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>I do have a fourth test that isn't integrated into Sysbench yet (nor am I
>sure that it will be). This is a multi-I/O test. It currently exists in a
>command line only version. You point it at a disk and it traverses the
>directory getting a complete list of files. It has 4 threads that then
>open each file in turn and read each filename that it's passed. I'd guess
>this is the nearest I can think of to a server type load where you have
>multiple things happening on different parts of the disk at any one time.
>
>Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
>([e-mail] or [e-mail])
>

Is this test posted out there anywhere?

Keith

Keith Cotroneo
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                     07-Sep-99 00:44:08
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 05:46:03
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: "Trevor Hemsley" <[e-mail]>

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:28:04 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:

->Is this test posted out there anywhere?

No ;-)

It's not really complete, so not yet.


Trevor Hemsley, London, UK
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From: [e-mail]                                06-Sep-99 22:38:09
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:23
Subj: newer removable os/2 web site than rheooptik.fmf.uni-freiburg.de?

From: Mark Schlegel <[e-mail]>

I have a optical drive I want to use in os/2 but
the only web site that explains optical and
removables that I know of is
http://rheooptik.fmf.uni-freiburg.de/www/faq/remmedia.htm

and it hasn't been updated in over a year, is there a newer
one somewhere?

thanks
Mark

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From: [e-mail]                    07-Sep-99 03:16:16
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:24
Subj: (1/2) Backup & Defragmentation 3.1 (Sept. 7, 1999)

From: [e-mail] (John Hong)

                  Backup & Defragmentation 3.1

     This is just a little primer drawn up in order to help OS/2
users to use common compression utilities such as PkZip for
backing up their OS/2 drives.
     Another use for this is also to fight against fragmentation.
OS/2's HPFS file system does not fragment like the way FAT drives
do, but it does become susceptible to it when the drive is almost
full.  So, the best remedy is to backup the data, format the
partition, then unarchive the backup back to the original
partition and you are back in business.
     Prior to doing this, be sure to create boot disks in order
to compress/uncompress the backup files.  You can use either the
Create Utility Diskettes option in OS/2's System Folder or (a
better option) use BootOS/2 in order to make them.  BootOS/2 in
particular is more advantageous since it would only need two 3.5"
1.44 MB diskettes over the three needed by OS/2 Warp 3 & Connect
and the four for OS/2 Warp 4.  Plus, one can also use LxLite
compression with BootOS/2 in order to save that little extra bit
of disk space necessary.  As well, you can probably use it for an
LS-120 or ZIP disk whereas the Utility Diskettes option would not
support it.  BootOS/2 can be found at the Hobbes OS/2 Archive
(http://hobbes.nmsu.edu).  LxLite can be found at LEO
(http://www.leo.org).
     EXTRA: It is a good idea to make your backups booting
through your bootdisks since there maybe locked files that won't
be compressed.  Locked files are files that are currently in use
by OS/2 and will not allow any kind of manipulation from the user
to take place.
     EXTRA EXTRA: Before making a backup, it maybe a good idea to
run CHKDSK from the bootable floppies first.  Another thing, make
sure you run CHKDSK (CHKDSK X: /F:2) twice in a row.  I picked up
this little tidbit from the "OS/2 Warp Unleashed" book by SAMS
Publishing (fine book, BTW).  It is found in Chapter 18, dealing
with troubleshooting on page 941:

     "Note that if you running HPFS, then you should
     periodically run CHKDSK C: /F:2 twice.  The first pass
     checks and cleans the primary HPFS structures, and the
     second pass checks and clears the secondary HPFS
     structures."

     BTW: When I say it was tested personally under an OS/2
system, it means that I had tested it under a bootable OS/2
partition and not just a partition with data on it.

     Updates:

     * Warp for e-Business
     * Windows 95 - FAT32

     To Do List:

     * Testing ARJ/2 2.6x once it gets out of beta



      *NEW*UPDATE* Warp for e-Business *UPDATE*NEW*

     Okay, now that you've seent this, I have read of a user
on Usenet trying to use RAR/2 2.50 in order to backup their
Warp for e-Business partition.  It didn't work, apparently
the EA's were trashed.  Possibly this may have something to
do with the new LVM and JFS.  I don't know since I do not have
Warp for e-Business, and thus have no way of verifying.  So at
this point in time it is best not to try using any of these
methods for backing up Warp for e-Business.


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Overall
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Compression    | Disk Spanning | Requires PM |  Recovery | EA's |
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PkZip/2 2.50   |      Yes      |     Yes     |    Yes    |  Yes |
Info-Zip 2.22  |       No      |      No     |    Yes    |  Yes |
RAR/2 2.50     |      Yes      |      No     |    Yes    |  Yes |
ARJ/2 2.62 Beta|      Yes      |      No     |    Yes    |   No |
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Disk Spanning: Ability to support multiple archives.  Basically
     once the disk or cartridge is full, it can ask the user to
     insert another disk or cartridge in order for it continue.
     A Yes is good.
Requires PM: Does the compression program require the PM,
     Presentation Manager.  This is OS/2's GUI.  A no is a good
     answer since it would be impossible to boot OS/2 up with
     regular floppies with the PM (unless it was a ZIP/LS-120
     booting with A: drive).
Recovery: Ability to recover/fix a corrupt archive, ie. PkZipFix.
     A yes here is a good answer.  If the file is corrupt you can
     at least salvage something from it.
EA's: Ability to save OS/2's Extended Attributes.  A yes here is
     a must for OS/2.
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Info-Zip for OS/2 (v2.22)
http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/

     Works very well under OS/2.  Use the following switches:

zip -rS$ (destination/name of backup) *

example:

zip -rS$ F:\BACKUP.ZIP *

     Stick unzip.exe onto your OS/2 bootdisks, to restore the
drive simply:

unzip (name of backup)

example:

C: (being where I want it unzipped)
unzip F:\BACKUP.ZIP

     Info-Zip is fine if you are just going to back it up to
another partition or have a removable media drive large enough to
fit it.  Currently, Info-Zip is not able to handle disk spanning.
It is a future feature to be added according to their home
webpage when 3.0 comes out.

Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's).

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PkZip for OS/2 (v2.50)
http://www.pkware.com

     Another that works well under OS/2.  Perhaps a little better
than Info-Zip since PkZip does handle disk spanning.  Use the
following switch:

pkzip /add /attr=all /dir=full /rec /volume=(drive letter)
     (destination/name of backup) *

example:

pkzip /add /attr=all /dir=full /rec /volume=C F:\BACKUP.ZIP *

     To enable disk spanning, add the /span switch before the
/volume one.
     Take note, use pkzip.exe, do not use pkzip2.cmd or else it
will simply fail and just zip up the volume label in a file
called "all.zip".

     Now to uncompress the archive, simply go:

pkzip /attr=all /dir=full /extract /mask=none /rec /volume=C
     (destination/name of backup)

example:

pkzip /attr=all /dir=full /extract /mask=none /rec /volume=C
F:\BACKUP.ZIP C:

Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's).

     Extra Note: Apparently the geniuses at PkWare designed PkZip
for OS/2 needing the Presentation Manager.  So, using the boot
disks from the Create Utility Disks function will not work.  The
only way for BootOS/2 to get this to work is with the TYPE=PM
option.  This of course will require a bootable device large
enough to handle the extra data.  So really you are going to need
a bootable ZIP or LS-120 device in order to get this working.
With that said, you can use unzip.exe in order to uncompress the
pkzipped files.  But, that has a problem too.  Currently UnZip
5.40 will not be able to unzip multiple archives (like Zip 2.22).
This is slated for the next major release (UnZip 6.00).

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RAR for OS/2 (v2.50)
http://www.rarsoft.com

     Easiest one to use due to its Norton Commander-like
interface.  Go into RAR's configuration (press F9, it is the
first item on the menu) and make sure the following are checked
on:

     X - Always Solid Archiving
     X - Put Recovery Record

     X - Read Only
     X - Hidden
     X - System
     X - Archive

     X - Save extended attributes

     It could also be a good idea to check on multimedia
compression in order to get better compression.  The rest is
merely of choice, especially the compression (six methods to
choose) whether to be for the best compression (slowest) or no
compression at all in simply storing the files (fastest).
     In order to backup your OS/2 drive, simply hit the "+" key
and push enter in order to highlight all the directories (or
select whichever one's you intend to backup).  Push F5 in order
to compress onto a disk/cart and use Autodetect method in order
to ensure spanning across disks/carts (or you can specify exactly
what size you want).  Very easy.

     Take Note: Do not use "UNRAR.EXE" to restore!
     Otherwise you will get a "Desktop can not be found in
     OS2.INI file, attempting to create Temporary Desktop"
     error message, where the Temperary Desktop will also
     fail, leaving you sitting at the PM with one OS/2
     Window session.

     In order to restore, place RAR.EXE onto the OS/2 bootable
diskettes.  Start RAR.EXE up, now go to wherever you have the
file backed up to, enter it, this will allow you view the files
that are compressed inside the archived file.  Once that is done,
hit the "+" key and press enter in order to highlight all the
files.  Now, press ALT-F4 in order to restore by choosing the
destination.  Simply put in "C:" or wherever your original boot
partition was.  Once all of it extracted, there you go.  I think
we have a winner.

Personally tested under a Warp 4 system (no FP's) and a Warp 3
system (FP40 applied).


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ARJ/2 (v2.62)
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu

     I confess that I have not yet tested ARJ/2, but I wouldn't
recommend using it just yet since it is still in a beta stage,
and does not save EA's.  But you could use EAUTIL in order to do
this for you, but that is a bit of a chore especially since the
other compression utilities here can do this automatically.  So
what would be the point?
     To enable disk spanning for ARJ/2, use:

arj a -vxxxx

     xxxx = denotes the specific size you want it to be

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     Note: I only intend to write about currently supported
     compression utilities.  In otherwords, LHA and ZOO for
     instance I simply will ignore.  Neither one has been
     updated since 1989-1993, and are relatively old and
     obsolete given the others listed here.


Windows 95 - FAT32 (http://www.microsoft.com) - *NEW*

     So, you want to just dump OS/2 forever and head off into
merry merry Windows 95 land?  Well, I have not had the
opportunity to try this using Windows 95 on a VFAT partition,
but under FAT32, there is simply no way you can backup a
Windows 95 partition using stuff like PkZip for Windows or
WinRAR.  The problem is that there are certain locked files
at play.  PkZip for Windows did complete, but now you have the
even bigger problem of trying to restore it from a bootdisk.
Won't happen, I'm afraid.  When I tried this booting off of a
Windows 95 boot disk, running PkZip 2.50's PkUnZip utility, it
would not work because it complained of a lack of memory
(apparently the FAT32 support on the bootdisk takes up a lot
of memory as I'm always stuck with 542k conventional RAM).
The last hope was RAR for DOS, but that too also complained of
a lack of memory.  So, what's the point of using a Windows
compression utility in order to backup the entire Windows 95
partition if there is absolutely *NO* way of restoring it?
     Now, where exactly am I going with all this?  Simple,
thanks to the great FAT32 driver written by Henk Kelder, one
can actually follow the exact methods listed here with the
various compression utilities in order for OS/2 to backup
Windows 95 through OS/2!  Using RAR/2 in the identical manner
listed earlier will allow you to backup a Windows 95 partition.
Once backed up, you can boot up with the Windows 95 bootdisk
and then format the partition, re-boot back into OS/2 and use
RAR/2 in order to restore the Windows 95 partition back to
its previous state.  Now when you look at the disk with Norton
Speedisk or booting Windows 95 up with a bootdisk in order to
use ScanDisk (to see the entire disk information) you will see
all the clusters neatly arranged in perfect order.  No
fragmentation!  The advantage to using this method over using
programs like Microsoft Defrag or Norton Speedisk is that they
are not always perfect and can in fact at some times break
files.  My motivation in going to all of this trouble was
because after using Defrag, I found that one of my .WAV files
in my Multimedia Themes was broken and could not be accessible.
Imagine what else could break.
     I have not tried using Info-ZIP or PkZip for OS/2, but
I figure they would work with the same restrictions applied
(ie. Info-Zip no disk spanning, PkZip needing the Presentation
Manager).  In order to install Henk's FAT32 driver, I simply
followed the quicky instructions he had listed in the FAT32.TXT
file, using PARTFLT.FLT and not the OS2DASD.DMD file he had
modifyed (on my OS/2 box it trapped as a result).  On the
IFS=FAT32 line I did not have /EAS on (enabling Extended
Attribute support).
     So, do you *really* want to dump OS/2?  Didn't think
so.  A question...could this method work with Linux?  There
is a ext2 driver available for OS/2, that I know of.  Perhaps
that is something else for me to try and play with! ;-)


CONCLUSION

     The best compression program for backing up OS/2 with is
RAR/2, hands down.  Not only does it support disk spanning,
EA's, doesn't require the Presentation Manager, and can recover
from corrupt archives, but it is also easy to use due to the
text-based Norton Commander-like interface, so no messy command
line switches to are necessary.  A great piece of work, indeed!
Capable of backing up OS/2 onto another partition or onto
multiple disks/cartridges making it right now, the emergency
disaster recovery solution of choice out of the current crop of
common compression utilities.
     There are a few more coming, the next major release of
Info-Zip (Zip 3.00 & UnZip 6.00) are being planned to support
multiple archives.  ARJ/2 2.6x, currently in beta, is another
possible choice to look at since it doesn't need the PM and
supports disk spanning and recovery from corrupt archives.


BOOTOS/2 Notes:
http://hobbes.nmsu.edu - latest version is 9.17

     There seems to be a problem with Warp Connect & FP39 when
trying to make a BootOS/2 TARGET=x TYPE=PM partition.  It creates
it fine, but when I boot it up, it freezes at the "OS/2" box that
appears on the top left-hand corner.  Weird.  I could not boot
to a PM partition (BOOTOS2 TARGET=x TYPE=PM) even when I was back
down in FP26!  Same symptom occurs, during bootup it just freezes
at the "OS/2" box on the top left-hand corner.  The samething
also occurs in FP40, BTW.
     Even making just the floppies seems to cause a small error

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From: [e-mail]                    07-Sep-99 03:16:16
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:24
Subj: (2/2) Backup & Defragmentation 3.1 (Sept. 7, 1999)

with Warp 3 & Connect.  Under FP40, for instance, upon making the
two disk system (BOOTOS2 2DISK=A) after loading up the first disk
it would give me a blank screen and stop dead in its tracks,
going no further.  The solution, copy SESMGR.DLL from your
x:\OS2\DLL onto your BOOTOS2 disk 1 (A:\OS2\DLL).  This also
happened under FP39, BTW.  If you do run into any other kind of
problem with the BOOTOS2 floppies, press ALT-F2 upon booting up
the diskettes just to see what happens.  On this occasion for
example, upon pressing ALT-F2, the screen said that SESMGR.DLL
was not installed in any of the LIBPATH directory statements on
the diskette.
     Warp 4 seems to have absolutely no issues whatsoever, either
a TYPE=PM or 2DISK=A under any of the FP's I have used (FP1, FP6,
& FP10).


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From: [e-mail]                                06-Sep-99 20:34:05
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:24
Subj: Re: Internal IDE Orb drive

From: Sandy Noyes <[e-mail]>

I have an ORB parallel drive.  The company will not respond to any queries I
have
made about when a driver will be ready for OS/2.  Nevertheless, the advertise
that the Orb is comaptible with OS2 WARP4.  They are full of sticky brown
stuff.
It seems a great package, but I cannot use it with OS/2.

Bob Stan wrote:

> There was a recent posting that stated that even Orb IDE drives were
> incompatable with OS2.  All I know is that I am using one with the latest
> idedasd package and the Danis506.ADD driver with no real problems.
>
> I don't know how a removable drive is supposed to work, but this one does
> fine.  The "eject" command ejects the cartridge and I can put in another.
> The only quirk seems to be that a cartridge must be installed at boot for
OS2
> to recognize the drive.



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From: [e-mail]                             07-Sep-99 04:03:06
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:24
Subj: Re: newer removable os/2 web site than rheooptik.fmf.uni-freiburg.de?

From: [e-mail] (Dominique Pivard)

On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 02:38:18, Mark Schlegel <[e-mail]> wrote:

> I have a optical drive I want to use in os/2 but
> the only web site that explains optical and
> removables that I know of is
> http://rheooptik.fmf.uni-freiburg.de/www/faq/remmedia.htm
>
> and it hasn't been updated in over a year, is there a newer
> one somewhere?

If you have an IDE-based system, you may want to have a look at the
DOC included in
ftp://hobbes.nmsu.edu/pub/os2/system/drivers/storage/danis506.zip
This enhanced driver has several features related to removable drives.

There's also README.RMS, included in the latest driver fixpak.

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From: [e-mail]                                07-Sep-99 10:09:14
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:24
Subj: Best storage for OS/2 (and a few other things)

From: Paul FLOYD <[e-mail]>

Hi,

I'm about to put together a new PC. I'd like to get any feedback,
particularly on the question of storage. I'm aiming for a fairly top end
machine, equipped with DVD and CR-R(W). I'm not so interested in
Multimedia, but might add it later. I have an old Dell, and will
scavenge some of the components from it (the ones that are not
hopelessly obsolete). [I might have bought a new Dell if their sales
support in France ever bothered to reply to emails - quick dig].


Here's my current shopping list:

Asus P3B-F
Adaptec 2940UW
Plextor PlexWriter RW 4/2/20
Toshiba SD-M1201 5x/32x DVD/CD-ROM
2x Seagate Quantum 9.1G

Other things:
Sound card? I've no idea, but I'd like a cheap, reasonably good one. I
might use the Warp 4 voice recognition a bit.

I have an old IBM 2G SCSI disk (Fast SCSI II if I remember correctly).
At the moment it is in an external box. I'd like to be able to reuse it
if I can.

For the SCSI controller, the Asus web page indicates the P3B-F has some
support for Symbios. I've always thought that Adaptec were good but a
bit pricey. What's the deal with Symbios?

Teac do a DVD/CD-RW combo, but it is only available in ATAPI format, and
I'd prefer to stick to SCSI if I can. It'd be nice to have 40X CD read,
but not worth having a 3rd drive to get it, I think.

Any comments welcome.

TIA
Paul
--
Paul Floyd    Focal Ingenierie Sud
Mail: paul underscore floyd at focal dot fr
Sig tagline under contemplation.

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From: [e-mail]                               07-Sep-99 08:48:17
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 15:25:24
Subj: Re: Best storage for OS/2 (and a few other things)

From: "∙g╧H" <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 09/07/99
   at 10:09 AM, Paul FLOYD <[e-mail]> said:

>For the SCSI controller, the Asus web page indicates the P3B-F has some
>support for Symbios.

That's Symbios SCSI BIOS included in system BIOS.

>I've always thought that Adaptec were good but a bit
>pricey. What's the deal with Symbios?

As good or BETTER performance, for 1/2 the price... I've been using Symbios
stuff for years... they worked wonderfully, and do not have the confusing
Adaptec driver problem (where a bunch of driver are floating around, some
are good, some are bad, and all with the same name...)... Just go to
ftp.symbios.com and download their latest offical SCSI driver... They've
always been very nice at OS/2 support.

--
===Team OS/2, Team OS/2 at Taiwan, ICE News Beta Tester. Bovine Team===
======Warped Key Crucher, And OS/2 ISP CD Project Member. TBA  #3======

     Owner of PC End User Web Site       http://www.pcenduser.com/

      Java 1.1.7 - MR/2 ICE REG#:10510 - OS/2 T-Warp Connect 4.0
                            ICQ# = 8943567

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From: [e-mail]                                   07-Sep-99 10:43:10
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 18:14:23
Subj: Backup Software for OS/2

From: "Duane Hay" <[e-mail]>

Up until now, we have been using ArcSolo, a quick and easy product from
Cheyenne that has long since been discontinued.  I'm wondering what other
backup software exists for OS/2.

For any and all help I thank you in advance...


Duane Hay
Network Analyst - TCS (Canada) Ltd.
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]                          07-Sep-99 10:15:13
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 18:14:23
Subj: Seagate backup exec for 0s/2 Warp V. 3.0

From: "JasonT2000" <[e-mail]>

Installing on a parallel port external tape drive.

I am trying to get Seagate backup exec for Os/2 Warp working on another
computer.  The software installs fine and it will detect the drive but it
then says the resources are busy.

If you go back and check the setup of the drive,  it defaults to an IRQ of
128.  You can change it back to IRQ7 but it will switch it back to IRQ128.

BTW: it works fine on another Os/2 machine.

I have tried to find where this software is supported, to no avail.  Seagate
has nothing on their web site, same for Veritas.

Any help is appreciated.

Jason T.





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From: [e-mail]-...               07-Sep-99 15:58:18
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:10
Subj: Yamaha CDR-100/WORM driver

Message sender: [e-mail]

From: Tobias Dussa <[e-mail]>

Hi everyone!

I am trying to set up my Yamaha CDR-100 CD writer to be used as a regular
CD-ROM drive also. I found out that this is not possible with normal OS/2
SCSI CDROM drivers because the CDR-100 identifies itself as a 0x04 or WORM
device, but the OS/2 driver accepts only 0x05 or CDROM devices.
The Yamaha support homepage says there are software workarounds for this
problem available, but so far I have not found anything useful.

Any ideas?

TIA.
Cheers,
Toby.
--
Tobias Dussa *** [e-mail]

The wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn.

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From: [e-mail]                                 07-Sep-99 16:47:12
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:10
Subj: Re: Backup Software for OS/2

From: [e-mail] (Mooo)

"Duane Hay" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Up until now, we have been using ArcSolo, a quick and easy product from
>Cheyenne that has long since been discontinued.  I'm wondering what other
>backup software exists for OS/2.
>
>For any and all help I thank you in advance...

Take a close look at PC-Bax from cristie.  Best I've so far seen, and
I've tested nearly all of em :)

Cheers,
Craig


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From: [e-mail]                                 07-Sep-99 16:47:13
  To: All                                               07-Sep-99 20:34:10
Subj: Re: Seagate backup exec for 0s/2 Warp V. 3.0

From: [e-mail] (Mooo)

"JasonT2000" <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am trying to get Seagate backup exec for Os/2 Warp working on another
>computer.  The software installs fine and it will detect the drive but it
>then says the resources are busy.
>
>If you go back and check the setup of the drive,  it defaults to an IRQ of
>128.  You can change it back to IRQ7 but it will switch it back to IRQ128.
>
>BTW: it works fine on another Os/2 machine.
>
>I have tried to find where this software is supported, to no avail.  Seagate
>has nothing on their web site, same for Veritas.
>
>Any help is appreciated.

Try something else.  This product is now years out of support, has Y2K
issues, and >4GB issues also.

Cheers,
Craig

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From: [e-mail]                                    07-Sep-99 14:19:21
  To: [e-mail]                                       07-Sep-99 20:34:11
Subj: Re: Can't see long filenames on CD-ROM

To: Gilbert Saint-flour <[e-mail]>
From: "Hans Andrießen" <[e-mail]>

Gilbert Saint-flour schrieb:


> Is there anything I can do to see long names in OS/2 also?  I'd like to be
> able to read the Linux Docs using Netscape while I'm on OS/2.

Try this:
DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OS2CDROM.DMD /Q
ifs=c:\os2\boot\cdfs.ifs /Q /W

Bye/2
Hans

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From: [e-mail]                         07-Sep-99 22:01:05
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 03:37:12
Subj: New FDISK without limitations ?

From: Andreas Grosche <[e-mail]>

I've just had to spend several hours again trying to install OS/2 Warp 4
on a 635 MB IDE hard disk. The contents of IBM's latest IDEDASD.EXE archive
(updated IBM1S506) of 1999-07-26 have been copied to my "Install Disk 1".
However, even though loading these new drivers (which BTW are not hassle-free
either, as on one machine they caused an endless loop of rebooting over the
three floppy disks while they tried to patch a partition table written by
a previous OS/2 install), I could not get FDISK to allow partitions beyond
the 504MB boundary to have names assigned to them and to be made bootable.

This is an over-cautious limitation, probably a legacy from an early version
where the INT13 drivers couldn't handle a such situation, however now I have
been able to demonstrate that despite the restricted capacities of some old
BIOSes, partitions can be started by the BootManager as long as they are
below the Int((heads*sectors)/2) boundary of "1024 cylinders", which is *not*
equal to the Cylinder value from the C/H/S mapping (in fact IBM's README file
from
IDEDAS

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From: nospam@null                                       08-Sep-99 02:32:04
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 05:26:21
Subj: Fastback Plus for os/2 and CDRW's Long story

From: nospam@null (Richard Crane)

I have a P75 Mhz Award Bios computer with WARP 4 (at FP 9 I think- 10 does not

seem to have installed successfully) installed and currently running on it as
follows:
Hard Disc1Quantum 1 Gb IDE- master
Primary Part     1 Mb     Boot Manager with DOSos(C Drive), Win95(CDrive) and OS/2
(F
Drive)options
Primary Part     350Mb    For DOS and OS/2 (FAT)
Primary Part    685Mb    For Win95 (FAT)

Hard Disc 2 Maxtor 1Gb IDE- slave

Primary Part    505    D Drive FAT DATA
Logical Part        527             E Drive FAT DATA

CD ROM Matshita CR 585 on IDE Master

Hard Disc 3 SCSI Quantum 3.2 GB SCSI ID 0

Primary Part?    7Mb    Free Space- never created I just end up with this if I only
logically partion this drive
Logical Partition    400Mb    F Drive HPFS OS2 system bootable
Logical Partition    760Mb    G Drive HPFS programs
Logical Partition    1898Mb    H Drive HPFS data and programs

TAPE UNIT Seagate TapeStor 4/8Gb SCSI ID 4

Remainder of System

PCI Flashpoint LW SCSI card (ID's at 7)
PCI S3 864 2Mb video
ISA Soundblaster Vibra16 soundcard
ISA Modem can't remember brand 28K
ISA SCSI card (or pseudo SCSI?) came with  ARTEC AT3 scanner

Part 1 The Problem with Floppies
======================
Currently the heat wet and dirt of Darwin has me go through 1 or 2 floppy
drives
per year also it is not unusual to find that 8 or 9 out a box of10 floppies
you
have stored generate CRC errors with fatal results for getting what was on
them
back off.
Eg in the last month both my original and backup disc's for FASTBACK PLUS for
OS/2 (stored in slightly different locations) showed they were now only
usefull
as drink coasters, I'd pulled them and the Version 1.0 update disc out after
reading about Brad Barclay still using Fastback successfully now (I don't
think
I'd ever had it on Warp 4 and maybe not even Warp 3 Connect - memory goes as
to
exactly when I used it either the days of 2.11 or non Connect 3).
That dreadful squeal that tells you your next thing to do is buy a new floppy
drive greeted me on inserting my last floppy copy of BackAgain ver
2.01(despite
what Roland says for me it has successfully restored my system from major
operator errors made when installing  Linux ) ironically enough I had put it
in
to do a disc copy.

So now I have no floppy based way to reinstall my back up software.

Part 2 The part 1 Problem work around
===========================

Simple I thought, as seen from the above drive table install OS/2 to another
drive copy over the BA/2 drivers and files, manually add the entries to
config.sys that you need. Check it works? Yep, pat self on back.
Getting even smarter putting it on a fat drive means that DOS can see it so if

something happens that takes out my os/2 on both drives (like my stupid error)
I
can restore my restoration software from my DOS eg I have one tape for using
seagates DOS backup software and many floppies with enough to get dos and the
seagate software running again. Further if any thing takes out the DOS it
probably wont touch my main os/2 (f drive) and I can restore the C drive dos
stuff from my os/2 back ups.

Part 3 The Second Problem
===================
Stupidity would be the short summary of it. No, not putting in the Win95
install
disc (as many would say)! But forgetting which C was active and which hidden
and
destroying the system files in the root of the DOS/OS2 partition somehow as I
recall, this was just after some Partition Magic sessions to eliminate the
linux
partitions change partition sizes and locations etc etc. All this done so that
I
would be able to "Solve" a  Win95 problem in the time honoured fashion
(reinstall it ) and with an eye to future likely system changes.
Hey thats what backups are for right? Restore drive from backup and off we go.
Wrong!  Vaguely I recalled something about  being able systx for OS/2 on FAT
drives and sys for DOS before they were bootable again so I think that maybe
that's it but without thinking it through properly went to a command line and
issued C:\os2\boot /dos. thinking I'll just check Dos Works while I'm here -
wrong somehow about now I manged to get my config and autoexec's swapped eg
Dos
tried to boot using OS/2's config.sys file. In short stuffed up the dual boot.
Ok this is no major crisis I can just format the disc and restore either from
DOS or OS/2, a little nervous though as some of you will have noticed a level
of
redundancy is now missing in all this.

Part 4 The Next "Great" Idea
 ===================
Instead of just doing that I now say to myself "Well I've had a problem with
applying the last fixpack, the motherboard isn't 2K compliant so I'll be
changing it soon, I'll upgrade the video to AGP then and (finances depending)
maybe a new "big" drive or two. So maybe I should do a clean Warp 4 install
now
and check that I'll have the appropriately updated drivers available and
working
on floppies for then and I know I've just replaced the floppy drive so it
should
be up to making a number of copies without s----ing itself." Usuall problems
with floppies - throw away about 8 floppies before finally getting 3 good ones

ready to go.

Part 6 How ?
=========
Inital plan: shutdown, insert CD reboot from floppies install small system in
FAt with dual boot (memory check of what to select: TCPIP yes, VGA only
Desktop,
Faxworks, IBM's DOIP and IC should do from the CD - idea is that when I stuff
something up it puts me in a position to email someone or fax them for help if
I
need to - nothing more frustrating than remembering the solution to the
problem
was in an newsgroup last week if you can't access the net).
Shutdown, reboot disc 2 no good. OK boot to main partition and make some new
install discs by running cdinst.cmd off the CD.
Done, Shutdown, reboot, feed discs - install disc two eg the third in the
process trundles away for a while then returns an error That the sytem can't
operate the floppy or the hard drive and is stopped in that usual IBM speak
that
means that you don't know anything eg is it both the floppy and the HD it
can't
run?
Reboot to main system recreate a new disc 2 shutdown reboot with discs feeding

as necessary install starts OK chose Advanced selected the partition I wanted
get reminded that although DOS isn't necessary for installing dual boot its
easier that way- interupt install to put DOS on.

Part 7
OK I'll restore from tape
=================
Lastest backup in and away we go - noises of "shoeshining" from tape unit -
how
long do I let it go? Dilemma solved in 35 minutes or there abouts Backagain
returns an error about tape device.
Second try. Reboot from floppy to minimal  based DOS system and run Seagates
DOS
backup I'll restore from there. Whoops! The program isn't there any more. More

DOS fooling around to get CD working so I can reinstall it. Then "Not enough
memory to run program" - I'd forgotten those EMS/HIMEM games we used to all
play
with DOS. Spend time fiddling DOS drivers. Then have Seagates Backup tell me
that there is a problem with the drive!
Bugger!
Search office for purchase record - experience delight of finding it and
finding
that the unit is still under warranty. Contact retailer "flicked" to importer
(ACA Pacific - I'll mention them by name as they were helpful). Shipped unit
back received new replacement. In the meantime look very closely at adds for
CDRW's - for the general compatability issue it seems that the Yamaha 1644S is

the go.

Part 8
Conclusion
========
At last you say. So why am I boring this group with all this? Well apart from
the cartharsis that writing it has given me, I'd like to know is anyone using
Fastback Plus with the Yamaha 1644S? Any setting up traps/tricks? Can anyone
email me the Fastback Plus install disk files and the 1.0 update - Symantec in

Australia doesn't want to help, seems rough when you've bought the license to
use it ?
If i can't get that going what files do I need to have (and where) for
Cdrecord
for OS/2 to work - can it be setup for "stand alone" (booting from floppy)
restores (given the record I have with tapes, tape units and floppies and
floppy
drives I am expecting a hard drive will fail :(  sometime)?


Richard A Crane    cc emailed replies to rcraneAT ibmDOT net

Foolproof is not good enough ..... we're not dealing with fools

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From: [e-mail]                           08-Sep-99 06:43:21
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:00
Subj: Re: Backup Software for OS/2

From: Bob Germer <[e-mail]>

On <[e-mail]>, on 09/07/99 at 04:47 PM,
   [e-mail] (Mooo) said:

> "Duane Hay" <[e-mail]> wrote:

> >Up until now, we have been using ArcSolo, a quick and easy product from
> >Cheyenne that has long since been discontinued.  I'm wondering what other
> >backup software exists for OS/2.
> >
> >For any and all help I thank you in advance...

> Take a close look at PC-Bax from cristie.  Best I've so far seen, and
> I've tested nearly all of em :)

FWIW, I couldn't get it to run on my SCSI based systems. I am using
BackAgain2 Professional Edition without problems on several machines.
Their technical support is excellent, upgrades are free for the
downloading, and I have yet to have it fail when needed.



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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: [e-mail]                                   08-Sep-99 09:54:01
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 14:43:01
Subj: Re: Backup Software for OS/2

From: "Duane Hay" <[e-mail]>

Thanks, now where can i find BackAgain2?  A website or company name would be
very useful.

I've already downloaded the PC-BaX trial version.


Thanks again everyone.



Bob Germer wrote in message <37d63e28$4$obot$[e-mail]>...
>On <[e-mail]>, on 09/07/99 at 04:47 PM,
>   [e-mail] (Mooo) said:
>
>> "Duane Hay" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> >Up until now, we have been using ArcSolo, a quick and easy product from
>> >Cheyenne that has long since been discontinued.  I'm wondering what
other
>> >backup software exists for OS/2.
>> >
>> >For any and all help I thank you in advance...
>
>> Take a close look at PC-Bax from cristie.  Best I've so far seen, and
>> I've tested nearly all of em :)
>
>FWIW, I couldn't get it to run on my SCSI based systems. I am using
>BackAgain2 Professional Edition without problems on several machines.
>Their technical support is excellent, upgrades are free for the
>downloading, and I have yet to have it fail when needed.
>
>
>
>--
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------
>Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [e-mail]
>Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
>MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
>Aut Pax Aut Bellum
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From: [e-mail]                                       08-Sep-99 16:09:21
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Re: Can't see long filenames on CD-ROM

From: Gilbert Saint-flour <[e-mail]>

In <[e-mail]>, on 07 Sep 1999 at 14:19, "Hans Andrie en"
<[e-mail]> said:

>> Is there anything I can do to see long names in OS/2 also?  I'd like to be
>> able to read the Linux Docs using Netscape while I'm on OS/2.

>Try this:
>DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\OS2CDROM.DMD /Q
>ifs=c:\os2\boot\cdfs.ifs /Q /W

Thanks, Hans, it helped.

Gilbert Saint-flour


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From: [e-mail]                                08-Sep-99 13:37:05
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Re: printing through SCSI

From: Stephen Eickhoff <[e-mail]>

I've crossposted your message to two OS/2 groups. Hopefully no one gets
annoyed, but there's really not a specific forum for this topic and I was
hoping maybe a warped guru could help out here.

I'm wondering if maybe a port could be added from the output ports tab? I
don't know what the device name would be, however. I'm guessing /pipe/scsi0
or /pipe/aspi0. IBM certainly does have a device driver but it doesn't
mention the SCSI interface.

Wim Wauters wrote:

> I hope you can help !
>
> I got this trusty Apple LaserWriter. It works fine on this Apple IIcx I
> got with it.
> The IIcx did not come with a network card though ! So I want to run it
> on a x86 system (OS/2 workstation or server, Linux , Windows95/98, NT
> workstation or server).
> The printer is SCSI and likes my SCSI controllers.
> The printer shows up in the hardware manager.
> I can install the postcript driver for it.
>
> But... how do I enable a SCSI device or port in the port settings ??
>
> Do I...
> need a SCSI printer-port driver ?
> a special SCSI card which mimics an LPT port ?
> some nifty program that allows me to send PS files to a SCSI-device ?
>
> Help appreciated !

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From: [e-mail]                  08-Sep-99 18:28:07
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: SCSI and IDE

From: Klaus Kreiner <[e-mail]>

Hi!

I have the following problem:
I installed OS/2 on a SCSI disk. Now I added an IDE disk.
When I now boot the installed OS/2 from the SCSI disk with
the IDE driver (basedev=ibm1s506.add) added the IDE drive
becomes drive C: and OS/2 can't find the the system files
which are on the SCSI disk which is now drive D:.
If I remove the IDE driver, OS/2 boots normal but I cannot access
the IDE disk
Is there any way to change the order in which OS/2 assigns the
drive letters to the disks (C: to SCSI disk and D: to IDE disk)?

Thanks for your help
Klaus


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From: gbritton@!britton.dhs.org                         08-Sep-99 18:54:10
  To: All                                               08-Sep-99 20:57:23
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org>

On 8 Sep 1999 18:28:15 GMT, Klaus Kreiner wrote:

> have the following problem:
>I installed OS/2 on a SCSI disk. Now I added an IDE disk.
>When I now boot the installed OS/2 from the SCSI disk with
>the IDE driver (basedev=ibm1s506.add) added the IDE drive
>becomes drive C: and OS/2 can't find the the system files
>which are on the SCSI disk which is now drive D:.

Put the IDE driver at the end  of config.sys




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From: [e-mail]                                08-Sep-99 21:13:14
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 03:51:07
Subj: Re: Fastback Plus for os/2 and CDRW's Long story

From: [e-mail] (Gideon Singer)

On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:32:09, nospam@null (Richard Crane) wrote:

-> Can anyone
-> email me the Fastback Plus install disk files and the 1.0 update - Symantec
in
-> Australia doesn't want to help, seems rough when you've bought the license
to
-> use it ?
->

Wish I could help with the Fastback Plus install disk, but I am
looking for that one as well. I put mine somewhere and have not been
able to find it. The Fastback 1.0 update is on hobbes. As for Symantec
they will not help even here in NA. The software is no longer
supported at any level. So If anyone sees this message and has a copy
of Fastback Plus for OS2 install disk please zip it up and mail it to
both of us and then put it on Hobbes as well. I use Fastback with a
zip drive and find that it works well.

---
Gideon Singer
"It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring !"
Calvin's Last Words 12/31/95
Where do you want to Warp today?
Remove the Z to email.
Webpage: members.home.net:80/gsinger

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From: [e-mail]                                   08-Sep-99 19:45:14
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 05:38:02
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: "Charles H. Strom" <[e-mail]>

Is there an easy way to integrate HPFS386 into a running Warp4 system? Is
the process documented anywhere?

dinkmeister <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:[e-mail]...
> even using just a 2meg cache on hpfs386 is faster than
> hpfs.ifs with the same sized cache, on my system (pii450)
>
> I'm using warp4 w/ultrawide scsi drives..  'been using it for
> the last 2 years and havn't had a single problem whatsoever!
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: [e-mail]                08-Sep-99 21:34:25
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 10:27:18
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: "Billy Ko" <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:54:21 GMT, Gerry Britton wrote:

:>Put the IDE driver at the end  of config.sys
:>
No, I am not so sure that will work.

It's a sticky situation when you mix IDE and SCSI drives.  If your BIOS
allows it, try setting it to boot from the SCSI board.  Also, set your SCSI
board bootable.  I don't know if this will change the drive lettering,
though.

Bill
Bill
Team OS/2

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From: [e-mail]                          09-Sep-99 02:06:14
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 12:44:11
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly)

On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:34:51, "Billy Ko"
<[e-mail]> a ┌crit dans un message:

> On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:54:21 GMT, Gerry Britton wrote:
>
> :>Put the IDE driver at the end  of config.sys
> :>
> No, I am not so sure that will work.
>
> It's a sticky situation when you mix IDE and SCSI drives.  If your BIOS
> allows it, try setting it to boot from the SCSI board.  Also, set your SCSI
> board bootable.  I don't know if this will change the drive lettering,
> though.

Just move it beneath the driver for your SCSI card. On my system, if I have
this order:

BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD
BASEDEV=AIC7870.ADD

My SCSI harddrive primaries get drive letters *after* all my IDE harddrive
primaries. If I reverse them, the all my SCSI harddrives get the earlier
drive letters.

However, even with SCSI boot options turned on in my MB BIOS and Adaptec
BIOS, I still have never been able to get it to start from or install to a
SCSI drive.

BASEDEVs are loaded very early in the CONFIG.SYS process, and loaded in the
order they occur within the entire file.

Good luck,

Buddy

Buddy Donnelly
[e-mail]


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From: askbill*AT*ibm.net                                09-Sep-99 11:14:15
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 12:44:11
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: askbill*AT*ibm.net

In <7r69rv$1utk$[e-mail]>, on 09/08/99
   at 06:28 PM, Klaus Kreiner <[e-mail]> said:

>Hi!

>I have the following problem:
>I installed OS/2 on a SCSI disk. Now I added an IDE disk.
>When I now boot the installed OS/2 from the SCSI disk with
>the IDE driver (basedev=ibm1s506.add) added the IDE drive
>becomes drive C: and OS/2 can't find the the system files
>which are on the SCSI disk which is now drive D:.
>If I remove the IDE driver, OS/2 boots normal but I cannot access the IDE
>disk
>Is there any way to change the order in which OS/2 assigns the drive
>letters to the disks (C: to SCSI disk and D: to IDE disk)?

Just TWO simple steps:

1) Leave the IDE controller (usually on the MB) enabled, but tell the BIOS
that  ***THERE IS NO*** IDE HDD.  Do not allow "autodetect".  Just tell it
there is "NONE" (also set "Boot from SCSI" won't hurt if you have it, but
"NONE' is more important).

2) Insure that the IDE driver (usually IBM1S506.ADD) comes AFTER the SCSI
driver in CONFIG.SYS.  The BASEDEV for IBMINT13 should be REMMED if it has
made it this far.

OS/2 IDE drivers do their own search for and identification of, IDE drives
- they ignore the BIOS anyway.  But if the BIOS is aware of an IDE, it
branches to the INT13 routinns to boot from it.  While it may later
install the SCSI BOOT ROM code, it has already decided where it will boot
from.

These settings work for SCSI controllers with a BIOS either on the card or
on the MB (older NCR/Symbios & several Adaptecs).

Regards,

Bill Hacker
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From: [e-mail]                             09-Sep-99 00:03:15
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 12:44:11
Subj: Re: Fastback Plus for os/2 and CDRW's Long story

From: Alan Beagley <[e-mail]>

Would it be "kosher" to put FastBack Plus on Hobbes? I think I have the
program
somewhere.

Alan


Gideon Singer wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:32:09, nospam@null (Richard Crane) wrote:
>
> -> Can anyone
> -> email me the Fastback Plus install disk files and the 1.0 update -
Symantec in
> -> Australia doesn't want to help, seems rough when you've bought the
license to
> -> use it ?
> ->
>
> Wish I could help with the Fastback Plus install disk, but I am
> looking for that one as well. I put mine somewhere and have not been
> able to find it. The Fastback 1.0 update is on hobbes. As for Symantec
> they will not help even here in NA. The software is no longer
> supported at any level. So If anyone sees this message and has a copy
> of Fastback Plus for OS2 install disk please zip it up and mail it to
> both of us and then put it on Hobbes as well. I use Fastback with a
> zip drive and find that it works well.
>
> ---
> Gideon Singer
> "It's A Magical World, Hobbes, Ol' Buddy... ...Let's Go Exploring !"
> Calvin's Last Words 12/31/95
> Where do you want to Warp today?
> Remove the Z to email.
> Webpage: members.home.net:80/gsinger

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From: [e-mail]                                09-Sep-99 04:49:26
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 12:44:11
Subj: Re: Fastback Plus for os/2 and CDRW's Long story

From: [e-mail]   (Baden Kudrenecky)

In <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Gideon Singer) writes:
>On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:32:09, nospam@null (Richard Crane) wrote:
>
>-> Can anyone
>-> email me the Fastback Plus install disk files and the 1.0 update -
Symantec in
>-> Australia doesn't want to help, seems rough when you've bought the license
to
>-> use it ?
>->
>
>Wish I could help with the Fastback Plus install disk, but I am
>looking for that one as well. I put mine somewhere and have not been
>able to find it. The Fastback 1.0 update is on hobbes. As for Symantec
>they will not help even here in NA. The software is no longer
>supported at any level. So If anyone sees this message and has a copy
>of Fastback Plus for OS2 install disk please zip it up and mail it to
>both of us and then put it on Hobbes as well. I use Fastback with a
>zip drive and find that it works well.

   I cannot see it being released to the public domain (Hobbes),
as Symantec owns it, and I doubt that they would release it.
The developers do not have the rights to it.  That being said, I
have a (hidden) copy on my WWW site, so if you can let me
believe that you own a licence, I'll send you the URL.

baden

[e-mail]
http://baden.nu/
OS/2, Solaris & Linux

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From: gbritton@!britton.dhs.org                         09-Sep-99 05:23:24
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 12:44:11
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: "Gerry Britton" <gbritton@!britton.dhs.org>

On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:34:51 -0400 (EDT), Billy Ko wrote:

>No, I am not so sure that will work.
>
>It's a sticky situation when you mix IDE and SCSI drives.  If your BIOS
>allows it, try setting it to boot from the SCSI board.  Also, set your SCSI
>board bootable.  I don't know if this will change the drive let

I've been doing it here for years.




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From: [e-mail]                                   09-Sep-99 06:41:01
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 12:44:12
Subj: Re: New FDISK without limitations ?

From: [e-mail] (Melvin Klassen)

On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:01:10, Andreas Grosche
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I've just had to spend several hours again trying to install OS/2 Warp 4
> on a 635 MB IDE hard disk. The contents of IBM's latest IDEDASD.EXE archive
> (updated IBM1S506) of 1999-07-26 have been copied to my "Install Disk 1".
> However, even though loading these new drivers (which BTW are not
hassle-free
> either, as on one machine they caused an endless loop of rebooting over the
> three floppy disks while they tried to patch a partition table written by
> a previous OS/2 install), I could not get FDISK to allow partitions beyond
> the 504MB boundary to have names assigned to them and to be made bootable.

504MB == 1024 cylinders * 16 heads/cylinder * 63 sectors/heads * 512
bytes/sector.

Backup all the data on your hard-drive.
Delete all the partitions from your hard-drive.
Reboot, and enter BIOS-setup.
Select "auto-detect IDE hard-drives".
You'll get a choice of something like:
NORMAL: 1290 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors
LBA: 645 cylinders, 32 heads, 63 sectors.

Notice the offseting "divide-by-N" and "multiply-by-N" operations.

Select the 'LBA' option.
Save the updated BIOS-settings.
Reboot, using the original OS/2 Installation Diskettes,
not a modified/updated copy.

When FDISK is invoked, notice the difference.
Instead of the first 1024 cylinders being mapped to the first 79% of
the disk,
the 645 (larger) cylinders will map to *ALL* of the disk, namely your
635MB.
Create a partition, and mark it "installable".

> In all of these cases, FDISK is a limiting factor that does not seem to
> have evolved with the other components of OS/2 Warp, so does anyone
> know where to get an FDISK without these unnecessary limitations ?

The FDISK shipped with OS/2 Warp 3,
along with the IDEDASD.EXE shipped with OS/2 Warp 3,
will work on any IDE hard-drive, up to 2GB in size,
*BUT* you need a BIOS which supports LBA-mode.
No software-updates are required.

Note: OS/2 Warp 3 will install onto a less-than-4GB disk,
but it won't boot, if the OS/2 partition extends beyond
the first 2GB of the hard-drive.  OS/2 Warp 4 fixed this bug.

((posted and mailed))

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From: [e-mail]                09-Sep-99 11:34:16
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:49:21
Subj: Re: printing through SCSI

From: Wim Wauters <[e-mail]>


Stephen Eickhoff wrote:

> I've crossposted your message to two OS/2 groups. Hopefully no one gets
> annoyed, but there's really not a specific forum for this topic and I was
> hoping maybe a warped guru could help out here.

Thanks !

> I'm wondering if maybe a port could be added from the output ports tab? I
> don't know what the device name would be, however. I'm guessing /pipe/scsi0

Looking into this. I'm using LPDeamon already. I guess I should look for some
config file. However, the online OS/2 help only mentiones printing from
LPT/COM/Infrared

> or /pipe/aspi0. IBM certainly does have a device driver but it doesn't
> mention the SCSI interface.

Indeed :-(
I think I need to get my paws on a SCSI-to-LPT adapter. It seems only Adaptec
produced these.

>
> Wim Wauters wrote:
>
> > I hope you can help !
> >
> > I got this trusty Apple LaserWriter. It works fine on this Apple IIcx I
> > got with it.
> > The IIcx did not come with a network card though ! So I want to run it
> > on a x86 system (OS/2 workstation or server, Linux , Windows95/98, NT
> > workstation or server).
> > The printer is SCSI and likes my SCSI controllers.
> > The printer shows up in the hardware manager.
> > I can install the postcript driver for it.
> >
> > But... how do I enable a SCSI device or port in the port settings ??
> >
> > Do I...
> > need a SCSI printer-port driver ?
> > a special SCSI card which mimics an LPT port ?
> > some nifty program that allows me to send PS files to a SCSI-device ?
> >
> > Help appreciated !

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From: [e-mail]                                09-Sep-99 07:13:16
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:49:21
Subj: Re: hpfs beats hpfs386

From: [e-mail] (Jerry McBride)

In article <OXrBzQl##GA.303@cpmsnbbsa02>,
"Charles H. Strom" <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there an easy way to integrate HPFS386 into a running Warp4 system? Is
>the process documented anywhere?
>

Look for:

http://x9.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=297360905.1&CONTEXT=909877913.370868500&hit
num=62

This used to point to an article that explained the whole mess. If you need
further help, then by all means email me at the address below. Watch for
word wrap in the above URL... :')


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From: [e-mail]                           09-Sep-99 06:38:27
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:49:21
Subj: Re: Backup Software for OS/2

From: Bob Germer <[e-mail]>

On <rQtB3.126129$[e-mail]>, on 09/08/99 at 09:54 AM,
   "Duane Hay" <[e-mail]> said:

> Thanks, now where can i find BackAgain2?  A website or company name
> would be very useful.

www.cds-inc.com


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Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 8
MR/2 Ice Registration Number 67
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From: [e-mail]                           09-Sep-99 06:42:07
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:49:21
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: Bob Germer <[e-mail]>

On
<[e-mail]>,
on 09/08/99 at 09:34 PM,
   "Billy Ko" <[e-mail]> said:

> On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:54:21 GMT, Gerry Britton wrote:

> :>Put the IDE driver at the end  of config.sys
> :>
> No, I am not so sure that will work.

Sure it will. I have done it on many occasions.

On the machine from which I write,  I installed an ATAPI CDRW. I had to
move the IDE drivers to after the SCSI drivers to get the SCSI CDROM to be
seen first and assigned the desired drive letter.


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From: [e-mail]                           09-Sep-99 06:46:10
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:49:21
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: Bob Germer <[e-mail]>

On <[e-mail]>, on
09/09/99 at 02:06 AM,
   [e-mail] (Buddy Donnelly) said:

> >
> > It's a sticky situation when you mix IDE and SCSI drives.  If your BIOS
> > allows it, try setting it to boot from the SCSI board.  Also, set your
SCSI
> > board bootable.  I don't know if this will change the drive lettering,
> > though.

> Just move it beneath the driver for your SCSI card. On my system, if I
> have this order:

> BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD
> BASEDEV=AIC7870.ADD

> My SCSI harddrive primaries get drive letters *after* all my IDE
> harddrive  primaries. If I reverse them, the all my SCSI harddrives get
> the earlier  drive letters.

> However, even with SCSI boot options turned on in my MB BIOS and Adaptec
>  BIOS, I still have never been able to get it to start from or install
> to a  SCSI drive.

That's because you have a primary partition on an IDE device. That device
is loaded into the BIOS before the Adaptec BIOS. Once the BIOS sees a
primary partition on the first IDE drive, it will go there. Remove the
primary partition from the IDE drive and it will keep searching for a
primary partion.



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From: [e-mail]                              09-Sep-99 13:12:19
  To: All                                               09-Sep-99 15:49:21
Subj: Re: Fastback Plus for os/2 and CDRW's Long story

From: luistino <[e-mail]>

Baden Kudrenecky wrote:
>
> In <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Gideon Singer) writes:
> >On Wed, 8 Sep 1999 02:32:09, nospam@null (Richard Crane) wrote:
> >
> >-> Can anyone
> >-> email me the Fastback Plus install disk files and the 1.0 update -
Symantec
>
>    I cannot see it being released to the public domain (Hobbes),
> as Symantec owns it, and I doubt that they would release it.
> The developers do not have the rights to it.  That being said, I
> have a (hidden) copy on my WWW site, so if you can let me
> believe that you own a licence, I'll send you the URL.
>
> baden
>
> [e-mail]
> http://baden.nu/
> OS/2, Solaris & Linux
Hi Baden

I own a company which did licence it. Now I can't find the box.I have a
whole bunch of fastback backed up manuals and no software to read them.
System crashed and that's all she wrote. A copy of the prog would be
great.

Thanks

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From: [e-mail]                         09-Sep-99 18:31:12
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 04:48:06
Subj: Re: New FDISK without limitations ?

From: Andreas Grosche <[e-mail]>

On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Melvin Klassen <[e-mail]> wrote:

> On Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:01:10, Andreas Grosche
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>> I could not get FDISK to allow partitions beyond the 504MB boundary to have
>> names assigned to them and to be made bootable.
>> This is an over-cautious limitation, probably a legacy from an early
>> version where the INT13 drivers couldn't handle a such situation, however
>> now I have been able to demonstrate that despite the restricted capacities
>> of some old BIOSes, partitions can be started by the BootManager as long as
>> they are below the Int((heads*sectors)/2) boundary of "1024 cylinders"[...]

Thanks for your replies. Since I've managed to solve the problem now, but
there are several threads indicating it is rather widespread, I'll simply
post what I found out, as it will hopefully help some other people as well:

First of all: DISCLAIMER: The following is based on my own experience and
certain assumptions that may be inaccurate, so if you are using any of this
information, you have been warned that it is entirely at your own risk and
involves a good chance of screwing up the system beyond recognition. ;->

> 504MB == 1024 cylinders * 16 heads/cylinder * 63 sectors/heads * 512
> bytes/sector.

Sure, this is the limit which OS/2 FDISK erroneously imposes.
However, the so-called "1024 cylinder boundary" has a misleading denomination,
for in fact it is *not* the C value from the C/H/S mapping, but the result
of Int((Heads*Sectors)/2) that has to be below 1024 in order for a partition
to become bootable (and thus installable). Actually IBM's README file from
IDEDASD.EXE is one of the few places to correctly document this issue.
Unfortunately the implementation in OS/2 FDISK has a bug there nonetheless.

> NORMAL: 1290 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors
> LBA: 645 cylinders, 32 heads, 63 sectors. [...]
> Select the 'LBA' option. [...]
> When FDISK is invoked, notice the difference.

Where there is LBA, of course one can use it to avoid this problem.
The machine I was installing on did not have LBA in its BIOS, though.

> The FDISK shipped with OS/2 Warp 3,
> along with the IDEDASD.EXE shipped with OS/2 Warp 3,
> will work on any IDE hard-drive, up to 2GB in size,
> *BUT* you need a BIOS which supports LBA-mode.

Actually you don't really need it, as it is the OS/2 FDISK which is at fault.

While there are some inherent limitations of certain operation systems
(e.g. MSDOS requiring a primary partition, for its second-stage boot loader
is not able to launch from a logical drive in an extended partition),
BootManager itself can indeed start the boot records of all partitions if
they are just within the boundary of Int((Heads*Sectors)/2)<1024.

So for anyone ever running into similar problems, here's the way to do it:

On the "blank" hard disk, use OS/2 FDISK only to install the BootManager
and partition the drive, do *not* assign any partition names/menu entries.
Quit and save ignoring the warnings. Boot e.g. from a DOS disk and start
DFsee (from http://www.fsys.demon.nl), enter the FDISK menu and now assign
the partition names for BootManager here using "SETNAME nn Name", exit and
reboot to the OS/2 install disks. Interrupt at the earliest point using F3,
prepare the installation partition manually by "FORMAT D: /FS:HPFS /L",
then EXIT and continue the OS/2 install, confirming the selected partition.

Of course now these last 8 lines look pretty simple, once that I have found
out what will do the trick, however it took a lot of work to get there, so
if it helps, please eMail me at <[e-mail]> to let me know.

Greetinx/2

Andreas Grosche <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                             10-Sep-99 02:29:01
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 04:48:07
Subj: Slow SCSI ZIP drive under Warp 4 only (Warp 3 works fine!)

From: Hugh Campbell <[e-mail]>

Can any one suggest why my internal SCSI drive which has always worked
fine (ie quickly) under Warp Connect  now works very slowly on the
identical machine when booted under Warp 4?

The machine is a Pentium 350 with tons of memory (256 Meg/20 Gig).  I'm
using an Adaptec 1520 SCSI controller to control the ZIP drive - nothing
else on the SCSI bus, and properly terminated both ends.  The ZIP has
been installed using the latest IDEDASD or whatever it is called on the
IBM device driver page.

The ZIP drive runs fine under Windows 95, WIndows 98, and Warp 3 on the
same machine using the same hardware.

Booting under Warp Connect, the ZIP reads and transfers files to HPFS
formatted ZIP-100's very quickly.  When I boot under Warp 4 (Fixpack 9 I
think - I'm not in front of it right now), the ZIP drive is as slow as
molasses, the drive light flickers continuously (and slowly) and the
whole machine bogs down while any long file transfer takes place.  The
CPU is clearly busy!

For example, a 35 megabyte file transfer takes about a minute and a
half, maybe less, under Warp 3, but takes up to a half an hour under
Warp 4.

All WPS objects for the ZIP work correctly under both Warp 3 and Warp 4.
It is just the transfer speed that is the problem.

I'm stumped - any and all suggestions received with gratitude.


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From: [e-mail]                                         09-Sep-99 19:03:22
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 04:48:07
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: Anssi Saari <[e-mail]>

Klaus Kreiner <[e-mail]> writes:
> Is there any way to change the order in which OS/2 assigns the
> drive letters to the disks (C: to SCSI disk and D: to IDE disk)?

It should work if you put the SCSI adapter driver before ibm1s506.add
in config.sys. If not, using partfilt.flt from the fat32 support
package might work.

--
Anssi Saari - [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]                                10-Sep-99 00:14:06
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 04:48:07
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: [e-mail] (Will Honea)

On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:42:15, Bob Germer <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> > :>Put the IDE driver at the end  of config.sys
> > :>
> > No, I am not so sure that will work.
>
> Sure it will. I have done it on many occasions.
>
> On the machine from which I write,  I installed an ATAPI CDRW. I had to
> move the IDE drivers to after the SCSI drivers to get the SCSI CDROM to be
> seen first and assigned the desired drive letter.

Minor gotcha I've run into several times:  If your hard disks are SCSI
and the CDROM is ATAPI (as is the case with a bunch of Compaqs at work
) a full install will usually try and assign your CDROM as a SCSI
device.  Just check the first install configuration screen to make
sure that either the appropriate CDROM was selected and choose the
generic 'unlisted IDE CDROM' if it isn't.

Will Honea <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail]                         10-Sep-99 11:01:12
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 10:22:08
Subj: Adding disks to a RAID array under OS/2

From: simon crute <[e-mail]>

Hi,

  I'm wondering if anyone out there can help me at all.

I want to add extra disks into an existing RAID array on an IBM
Netfinity 5500 (Server raid 2). It's possable (but very long winded)
under NT, but I can't seem to find a way of doing it under OS/2.

My current idea is like this.

add disk to server
add disks to array (how ?)
add space from array to logical drive (how ?)
increase OS/2 drive from E: (via Partition magic)

Just hoping someone out there knows if this is possable. Thanks.


--
Simon Crute
[e-mail]
www.geordie.demon.co.uk


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From: [e-mail]                                  10-Sep-99 07:27:03
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 10:22:08
Subj: Re: SCSI and IDE

From: Tony Wright <[e-mail]>

Buddy Donnelly wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 01:34:51, "Billy Ko"
> <[e-mail]> a  crit dans un message:
>
> > On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:54:21 GMT, Gerry Britton wrote:
> >

> BASEDEV=IBM1S506.ADD
> BASEDEV=AIC7870.ADD
>
> ......
>
> BASEDEVs are loaded very early in the CONFIG.SYS process,

"very early" as in BASEDEVS loaded before Device,LibPath,IFS's even?
But seriously I'm intriqued by the implied inference that something else
is possibly loaded before the basedevs?Of course it could be my lack of
comprehension again and "very early" is synonymous with
"the first thing loaded" or "at the start".....

> and loaded in the
> order they occur within the entire file.

Hate to be *picky*(again<vbg>) but slightly ambiguous statement(unless
you read it in context with the two *.ADD basedevs) although I'm sure
you intended the meaning of -
"...basedevs loaded in following order:
.SYS
.BIO
.VSD
.TSD
.ADD
.I13
.FLT
.DMD
and those with same extensions possibly loaded in the relative order in
which they appear in config.sys..." ...perhaps?

How many parses  thru config do we have for following groups?:
1 - Load BASEDEVS  (OS/2 has minimal "cutdown" IFS awareness to locate
these only in certain limited location prior to loading IFS)
2. LibPath and Set to initialise global environment
3. Codepage,Country,Devinfo
4 - Load IFS's so all remaining statements can now be fully located with
path...
   - DEVICE statements.   (this implies IFS statements have to precede
DEVICE as eg loading IFS HPFS before MPTS locked list processor)
5. SwapPath
6. Break,Device(Dos),FCBs,Files,LastDrive,ProtectOnly,RMSize,Shell
7.Call/Run
8.Protshell - initialise Protect Mode shell
The statements within each "group" are processed in order that they are
specified in config.sys.
Eg say 7. All Calls are not all processed before all Run statements
but are *ALL* processed  before 8. and after 6 has completely finished.
That statement does however raise some interesting anomolies/
ambiguities such as why therefore do you have to specify a Virtual
Device Driver after a Physical Device Driver if you'd expect the
"parsing" of the groups to sort it out anyway? :-(
Together with exceptions like OS2 kernel getting it's hooks in Hardware
Resource manager etc.
But I guess that's too off topic to explore here?

> Good luck,
>
> Buddy
>
> Buddy Donnelly
> [e-mail]

Strange how you always manage to inadvertently (indirectly) pose more
interesting
questions when you answer a simple one(no offence).....<vbg> --
Rgds Tony W   Email: [e-mail]

Still struggling with the conundrum of how many pips on average are
there in a
seedless grape?


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From: [e-mail]                                    10-Sep-99 07:16:01
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 14:32:04
Subj: Re: Slow SCSI ZIP drive under Warp 4 only (Warp 3 works fine!)

From: [e-mail] (Dan Casey)

Check the filesize and date on the Adaptec drivers you are loading in
Warp 3 and Warp 4. If different, try using the driver from Warp 3 on
the Warp 4 system (AHA152X.ADD).

Also, check to see if there are differences in the config.sys file of
both systems with regards to the OS2SCSI.DMD and OS2DASD.DMD ... check
for parameters and/or switches in Warp 3 that are  or are not present
in Warp  4.

In article <[e-mail]>,
Hugh Campbell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can any one suggest why my internal SCSI drive which has always worked
>fine (ie quickly) under Warp Connect  now works very slowly on the
>identical machine when booted under Warp 4?
>
>The machine is a Pentium 350 with tons of memory (256 Meg/20 Gig).  I'm
>using an Adaptec 1520 SCSI controller to control the ZIP drive - nothing
>else on the SCSI bus, and properly terminated both ends.  The ZIP has
>been installed using the latest IDEDASD or whatever it is called on the
>IBM device driver page.
>
>The ZIP drive runs fine under Windows 95, WIndows 98, and Warp 3 on the
>same machine using the same hardware.
>
>Booting under Warp Connect, the ZIP reads and transfers files to HPFS
>formatted ZIP-100's very quickly.  When I boot under Warp 4 (Fixpack 9 I
>think - I'm not in front of it right now), the ZIP drive is as slow as
>molasses, the drive light flickers continuously (and slowly) and the
>whole machine bogs down while any long file transfer takes place.  The
>CPU is clearly busy!
>
>For example, a 35 megabyte file transfer takes about a minute and a
>half, maybe less, under Warp 3, but takes up to a half an hour under
>Warp 4.
>
>All WPS objects for the ZIP work correctly under both Warp 3 and Warp 4.
>It is just the transfer speed that is the problem.
>
>I'm stumped - any and all suggestions received with gratitude.
>
>

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From: [e-mail]                  10-Sep-99 14:18:10
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 14:32:05
Subj: Problem Solved

From: Klaus Kreiner <[e-mail]>

Hi

I tried to change the order of the device drivers
in config.sys but it didn't work until I discovered why:
OS/2 always looks for primary partitions first, no matter on which
disk they are and then for logical partitions. As my SCSI partition
was logical and my IDE partition was primary changing the order didn't
help. I made a primary OS/2 partition on my SCSI drive and now it
works

Thanks for your help
Klaus

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From: [e-mail]                                     10-Sep-99 16:25:13
  To: All                                               10-Sep-99 19:59:23
Subj: Re: Slow SCSI ZIP drive under Warp 4 only (Warp 3 works fine!)

From: Finlayson & Singlehurst <[e-mail]>

Many thanks for your comments Dan.

That is the truly puzzling thing:
Both my Warp 3 and Warp 4 partitions are using identical copies of all
relevant files as far as I can see:

G:\OS2\BOOT: (my fast Warp 3 partition)     H:\OS2\BOOT: (my slow Warp 4
partition)
AHA152X .ADD   44,208  09-02-98 11:38a      AHA152X .ADD   44,208
09-02-98 11:38a
OS2DASD .DMD   40,808  22-04-98 04:38p      OS2DASD .DMD   40,808
22-04-98 04:38p
OS2SCSI .DMD   11,606  07-08-98 12:20p      OS2SCSI .DMD   11,606
07-08-98 12:20p

Both config.sys files simply state the following without parameters:
BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD
BASEDEV=OS2SCSI.DMD
BASEDEV=AHA152X.ADD


In addition, G:'s config.sys has the following which H: does not, though
it surely isn't relevant:
BASEDEV=IBMATAPI.FLT

It occurs to me that this may be a PM Shell thingydo, particularly since
the rest of the system seems to bog down so much while the ZIP is being
accessed.  I think a good experiment would be to load the driver
statements into the config.sys that loads the system up from F2 at the
blue recovery screen (I think it is \boot\config.x) and test the speed
without the benefit (?) of the deskop.  Ie boot the Warp4 partition to a
command line only, then test the speed.  (I have to amend the command
line boot config since the drive was added after installation)

I will give that a try, though if that doesn't point to the shell, then
I am totally at a loss.



Dan Casey wrote:
>
> Check the filesize and date on the Adaptec drivers you are loading in
> Warp 3 and Warp 4. If different, try using the driver from Warp 3 on
> the Warp 4 system (AHA152X.ADD).
>
> Also, check to see if there are differences in the config.sys file of
> both systems with regards to the OS2SCSI.DMD and OS2DASD.DMD ... check
> for parameters and/or switches in Warp 3 that are  or are not present
> in Warp  4.
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Hugh Campbell <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Can any one suggest why my internal SCSI drive which has always worked
> >fine (ie quickly) under Warp Connect  now works very slowly on the
> >identical machine when booted under Warp 4?

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