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From: [e-mail] (Binh Anson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?!
Date: 19 Sep 1994 11:09:16 GMT
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G'day,

I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ?

Thanks,
Binh.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?!
Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:15:42 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Lines: 153
Distribution: World
References: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: Kermit, Performance, Slow, Fast

In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Binh Anson) writes:
> I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found
> that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow!
> I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to
> Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ?
>
Yes.

But first, welcome to comp.protocols.kermit.misc.  This is the first
day of operation of this unmoderated newsgroup.  I hope it will prove
beneficial to all Kermit users.

To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is
Asked so Frequently :-) ...

Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit
transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of
the box, when it works it goes fast.  The tradeoff is that it often does
not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways --
escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc.  In some cases
it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the
connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends.

Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files --
out of the box, even under hostile conditions.  By default, it does not
assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large
buffers are available.  It does not even assume a full-duplex connection.
The tradeoff is speed.

In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from
perfect.  7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are
very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications
processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively,
telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array
of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and
services.  Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs
have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy.
The list goes on.  This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default
tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified
reputation for dependability.

Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its
reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness:

  Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning.

However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit
by changing a few parameters.  But first, here are some general principles
that apply to all communications software:

 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at
    every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file
    transfer protocol).  For example, when using high-speed,
    error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow
    control, most commonly RTS/CTS.  You have to tell the software to use
    it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow
    control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will
    be lost.

 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it.  Fix the
    interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if
    possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface
    speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to
    be wasted.

 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off
    flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method
    supplies fully effective flow control.

Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps:

 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial
    packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the
    performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to
    control them.

 2. Use long packets.  Kermit's default packet length is 94.  You can
    increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024.  Give the following
    command to the file receiver:

      SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000  ; (or other length)

    The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer
    will be... IF IT WORKS.  If you make packets longer than some buffer
    somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the
    transfer might not work.  Also, the longer the packet, the greater
    the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to
    retransmit.

 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows.  Sliding windows
    allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than
    "stop and wait" style.  The command is:

      SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number)

    The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation).  Give
    this command to *both* Kermit programs.

For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very
good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range.  For compressed
files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out
another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of
control characters.  A typical sequence might be:

  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL  ;  Unprefix all control characters.
  SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ...  ; Add back prefixes for these.

This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a
communication software program can know what characters are safe and
which ones are not on a particular connection.  For example, you might be
going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD
prompt.  Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where
Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt.  Or the
connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a
data character might freeze the connection.

If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window
sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to,
and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix,
Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a
V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600
bps interface speed:

  Typical text files:        3500 cps (characters per second)
  Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE)
  Compressed files:          1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files)

These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via
anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file
newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript).  Also see newsn4.txt (.ps)
for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows.

Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu
[128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories.  There are
literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine
and operating system imaginable.  The most widely used Kermit programs
are:

 . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows.
   No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this
   is the software we recommend for Windows.
   File: kermit/bin/msvib.zip.

 . C-Kermit 5A(189) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc.
   UNIX: kermit/bin/cku190.tar.Z.
   VMS: Get kermit/b/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.
   Others: Get kermit/b/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.

 . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC.
   kermit/b/ik*.*.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Adam H. Lewenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: FILE COLLISION UPDATE problem
Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:18:43 GMT
Organization: Math Dept., University of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign
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Distribution: na

I am having a problem with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE setting.  I
send files from my home computer (OS/2 CKermit 5A(160) alpha.16) to
the computer at school (Ckermit 5A(188)) with the FILE COLLISION set
to UPDATE. Thus, I would expect that only those files on my home
commputer that are newer than the files on the school computer will be
transfered. And that is what happens...mostly. There are a few files
that constantly get transfered. Although I have not touched the
files on either system for months, everytime I run the transfer script
these few files get transfered. I have checked the dates on both
machines and they are identical, at least to the minute. Perhaps the
seconds are different?

In any case, one way around this that would even be useful in other
situations would be a FILE COLLISION setting which only transfered
files that were newer by a certain amount. For example, if one issued
the command SET FILE COLLISION UPDATEBY 60, then only those files that
were newer by at least one hour would be transfered. Comments?

                     Adam H. Lewenberg [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FILE COLLISION UPDATE problem
Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:23:34 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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Distribution: World
References: <35jvj3$[e-mail]>

In article <35jvj3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Adam H.
Lewenberg) writes:
> I am having a problem with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE setting.  I
> send files from my home computer (OS/2 CKermit 5A(160) alpha.16) to
> the computer at school (Ckermit 5A(188)) with the FILE COLLISION set
> to UPDATE. ...
>
An OS/2 FAT file system records the time to a precision of 2 seconds,
whereas most other file systems record the time to a precision of
one second or less.  This the file times for the same file can differ
by one second.  In this case, Kermit takes the conservative approach
and transfers the file.  Workarounds: (1) "touch" the file on the
receiving end to force it to be newer (not recommended); (2) use an
HPFS file system instead of a FAT file system.

These comments apply also to DOS and Windows, but suggestion (2)
does not apply :-(.

Also, the latest version of OS/2 C-Kermit is 5A(190) Beta.23,
available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory
kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cko190.zip.  It works a lot better
than the earlier Alpha versions.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (R. Stewart Ellis)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit?
Date: 19 Sep 94 01:25:10 GMT
Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI
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References: <35i2ta$[e-mail]>

[e-mail] (Harry H Conover) writes:


 >I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as
 >I have for the past 10 years or so.  So far, the program has survived
 >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the
 >Internet.  Sadly, it lacks certain features such as automatic
 >re-dial, the ability to automatically log-off on completion of
 >batch file transfers, etc.

 >It identifies itself as: IBM PC KERMIT-MS V2.28....

 >Can anyone point me to an FTP site that has a more recent MS-DOS
 >version available?

 >Thanks.

 >                              Harry C.


The regular place for kermit the last time I checked was
watsun.cc.columbia.edu.  Oak.oakland.edu is the best general PC place.  The
latest I know of is 3.13 with a couple of patches.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit?
Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:30:48 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Lines: 43
Distribution: World
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (R. Stewart Ellis)
writes:
> [e-mail] (Harry H Conover) writes:
>  >I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as
>  >I have for the past 10 years or so.  So far, the program has survived
>  >an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the
>  >Internet.  Sadly, it lacks certain features such as automatic
>  >re-dial
>
No it doesn't.  The dialing scripts that come with MS-DOS Kermit
automatically redial for you.

>  >... the ability to automatically log-off on completion of
>  >batch file transfers, etc.
>
Not at all.  Please read the documentation.  MS-DOS Kermit includes a
script programming language that lets you set up any automated procedures
you like.

>  >It identifies itself as: IBM PC KERMIT-MS V2.28....
>
Well...  That would explain it.  Version 2.28 dates from 1986.  We've
been working on it for a solid eight years since then!  (Has it been
eight years already ???!)  The current version is 3.13, and 3.14 will
be announced for beta testing soon.  Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce.

>  >Can anyone point me to an FTP site that has a more recent MS-DOS
>  >version available?
>  >                              Harry C.
>
> The regular place for kermit the last time I checked was
> watsun.cc.columbia.edu.  Oak.oakland.edu is the best general PC place.  The
> latest I know of is 3.13 with a couple of patches.
>
To clarify, the ONE AND ONLY source for Kermit software on the Internet
is kermit.columbia.edu (which, indeed, at the present, happens to be the
same as watus.cc.columbia.edu, but might not always be, so use the
kermit name to be safe).  Please don't pick up Kermit from other sites
because we can't support it that way -- we don't know where it's been,
what's been done to it, how old it is, whether the file sets are complete,
etc etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ramin Farzaneh)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Help Request: Download Speed
Date: 19 Sep 1994 03:39:19 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
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I have been trying to improve the file transfer speed I get while
downloading from a workstation to my PC using C Kermit and MS Kermit.
The highest rate that I've gotten for a .zip file has been ~1320 cps
(I'm using a USR 14.4K modem which achieves ~1600cps with zmodem).
Here's  what I've done so far:

- Played around with the packet length and window parameters.  By
  trial and error I found that 4 sliding windows and a packet length
  of around 900 bytes give me the best speed with the least number
  of retries.

- Disabled the modem's compression.  This improved the speed by about
  50 cps.

- Downloaded several differend types of files (with no modem compression
  and 'set file type binary' given to both Kermits) and measured the cps.
  I got ~1300 or a .zip file, ~1550 for an ASCII file, and ~1150 for a unix
  executable.

- By looking at Kermit's statistics (show statistics in MS Kermit) it
  turned out that while the serial port speed is the same in each case
  (~16900 bits/sec), the number of characters actually sent is proportionally
  higher for the .zip file compared to the text file.  So the ratio
  (chars sent/file size) is ~93% for text and ~75% for a .zip file (and
  even lower for the unix executable).

So how can I improve the efficiency?  I looks like Kermit is applying
some sort of compression (or maybe binary->ASCII encoding? or both?) that is
inflating the size of .zip files. Is this the case, and if so how
can I turn it off?  Is this a bug or a feature? :-)

Thanks,
Ramin

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help Request: Download Speed
Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:40:34 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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Distribution: World
References: <35j157$[e-mail]>
Keywords: Performance, Fast, Slow, Speed

In article <35j157$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ramin Farzaneh) writes:
> I have been trying to improve the file transfer speed I get while
> downloading from a workstation to my PC using C Kermit and MS Kermit.
> The highest rate that I've gotten for a .zip file has been ~1320 cps
> (I'm using a USR 14.4K modem which achieves ~1600cps with zmodem).
> Here's  what I've done so far:
> ...
> - By looking at Kermit's statistics (show statistics in MS Kermit) it
>   turned out that while the serial port speed is the same in each case
>   (~16900 bits/sec), the number of characters actually sent is
>   proportionally higher for the .zip file compared to the text file.
>   So the ratio (chars sent/file size) is ~93% for text and ~75% for a
>  .zip file (and even lower for the unix executable).
>
See my earlier posting.  You have got the packet-length and window-size
business right, but zip files and other forms of compressed files have
a much higher proportion of control characters than do other types of files,
and therefore incur a higher control-character-prefixing penalty, and so
are transferred less efficiently.  Also note that since these files are
already compressed, Kermit can't compress them any further, and neither
can your modem.  However, in my experience, turning off Kermit's
compression (SET REPEAT COUNTS OFF) or the modem's results in only a
marginal improvement.

The big gain comes in (a) (obviously) making sure you have an 8-bit
no-parity connection (you probably do), and (b) telling Kermit to "unprefix"
most control characters, i.e. all the ones that are safe to unprefix.

C-Kermit 5A(189) or later and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later are required
for control-character unprefixing.  See the CKCKER.UPD file that comes
with C-Kermit or the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit for
details about this feature.

For more detailed discussions of Kermit file transfer performance, please
read the manuals: "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and/or "Using C-Kermit", and the
articles on performance in Kermit News numbers 4 and 5, available via
anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, files
newsn4.txt and newsn5.txt (ASCII, also .ps for PostScript).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Hounsell)
Subject: Is anybody working on kermit for windows?
Sender: [e-mail]
Organization: Joensuu University Language Center
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:23:08 GMT
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    Hello developers

    I would like to know if anybody is working on kermit to run under windows
winsocket. I really like kermit for telnet and terminal emulation so I would like to see
version  3.13 done as a windows program. Is there anybody out there working on it? Within
a year or so DOS will be obselete with the arrival of windows 4.1. I know most people will
not upgrade at once but DOSs days are numbered.  Most versions kermit for windows that I
have seen seem to be very old versions of kermit and thus suffer in many areas.

    TIA
    Paul
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Is anybody working on kermit for windows?
Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:47:37 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Lines: 35
Distribution: World
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Paul Hounsell) writes:
> I would like to know if anybody is working on kermit to run under windows
> winsocket. I really like kermit for telnet and terminal emulation so I
> would like to see version 3.13 done as a windows program.
>
Wouldn't everybody!

> Is there anybody out there working on it? Within a year or so DOS will be
> obselete with the arrival of windows 4.1.
>
Maybe, maybe not.

> I know most people will not upgrade at once but DOSs
> days are numbered.  Most versions kermit for windows that I have seen seem
> to be very old versions of kermit and thus suffer in many areas.
>
That's correct.  We don't recommend any of them.  They are mainly
"proof of concept" exercises with minimal functionality, and not well
supported -- well... not supported at all.

We, the Kermit developers, intend to produce a fully functional version of
Kermit for Windows.  In fact, we have always intended to do this.  It is
very high on our list of things to do.  It is also a VERY BIG JOB, and
therefore keeps getting put off.

Meanwhile, we recommend using MS-DOS Kermit in Windows.  We support 100%.
It works fine, in a window, it can use all sorts of networking methods,
including its own built-in TCP/IP stack, but no, it does not work with
Winsock because Winsock is only available to fully 100% native Windows apps.

There may be some new developments in this area in the next few months.
Watch this space for announcements.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Dwight Hugget)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: KERMIT & PCMCIA
Date: 16 Sep 1994 18:12:20 GMT
Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: [phone])
Lines: 27



Has anyone ever configured Intel's 14.4 fax/data PCMCIA card to work with
kermit ???
If so, how do you handle the setting of the COMn port while trying to
use IRQ5???

Is there any tweaking necessary in any of the .SCR files and which do
I use.
So far, I've tried HAYES and the SPORT ones. I don't know whatelse
to do.

I get into terminal mode and he (the PCMCIA card) wont even speak
to me in AT.

thanks for any hints.

baffled
dwight
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Chinn)
Subject: Kermit for Windows/NT
Organization: Medicus Clinical Data Systems, Alameda, CA
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 07:14:45 GMT
Lines: 14

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to
Windows/NT?

If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here
who would love to beta test it.

I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support
for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit.

Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this
info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get.
--Bill

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT
Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:28:18 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Lines: 28
References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]>,
Bill Chinn <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to
>Windows/NT?

Currently, we recommend using the 16-bit OS/2 version on Windows NT.

>If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here
>who would love to beta test it.

There are plans to create an NT version at some point in the future.

>I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support
>for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit.

When a NT version is created we will support the standard TCP/IP stacks.

>Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this
>info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get.
>--Bill


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: C-Kermit OS/2 with TCP/IP
Date: 19 Sep 1994 15:47:35 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
Lines: 37
Distribution: World
Keywords: OS/2, TCP/IP

Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 11:13:01 EDT
From: Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]>
To: "Bryan H. Hodgson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CKermit-OS2 w/TCP-IP
In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 19 Sep 94 09:20 EST

> I've got PC/Kermit working very successfully over TCP/IP to connect to
> our Unix boxes while users are simultaneously logged onto Novell
> servers.  Great stuff.
>
Yup, thanks.

> Now I'm trying to solve the same problem with OS2/CKermit.  And I'm
> trying to avoid springing for IBM's OS/2 product.  Are you aware of
> shareware or public domain alternatives for OS/2 TCP/IP drivers that
> will work with CKermit?
>
Nope.  This question is asked about 100 times a day on the OS/2
newsgroups, and the answer is always no.  A number of commercial TCP/IP
products are available, and OS/2 C-Kermit works with most of them.

C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta works with the following:

  IBM TCP/IP 1.2.1 (C-Kermit edit 189 and later)
  IBM TCP/IP 2.0 (edit 190)
  Essex Systems TCP/2 (edit 189 and later)
  FTP Software's PC/TCP for OS/2 (edit 190)
  IP-Switch Vantage IP (edit 190)

It does not work with Novell LAN Workplace for OS/2, although there is
some slight chance that we might be able to add this support before
leaving Beta.

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file cko190.zip.  Unzip and run the install script (INSTALL.CMD).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jianqing Hu)
Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?!
Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago
References: <[e-mail]>
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 14:19:01 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Binh Anson) writes:
>
>G'day,
>
>I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ?
>
>Thanks,
>Binh.
>--

  You could use sz within kermit

  or

  Set following on both end of kermit

  set receive packet 2000
  set windows 3
  set con u all
  set con p 0 1

  See DOC for correct syntax.

  You need MS-Kermit 3.13 and C-Kermit 5A (189) or up

  But don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors undetect
  (At least on our unix box)

Jianqing Hu                         |  Internet: [e-mail]
ECE Dept.  Illinois Inst. of Tech.  |
Chicago, IL 60616                   |  Office phone: [phone]


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?!
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:17:50 GMT
Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
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[e-mail] (Jianqing Hu) writes:
> ... don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors undetect
> (At least on our unix box)

This should fix the problem:

set blo 3

which is short for "set block-check-type 3-char-crc-ccitt".

Keith
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb question...
Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:52:21 GMT
Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA
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Reply-To: [e-mail]

In article <35ghag$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS?
>
>Thanks.
>Mike
>
>(please e-mail me)
>[e-mail]

Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me
(P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone)

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb question...
Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:48:10 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <35k8j5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> In article <35ghag$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> > Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS?
>
> Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me
> (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone)
>
Actually, this might have been a trick question: There is no C-Kermit
for DOS.  There is MS-DOS Kermit for DOS (and Windows), and C-Kermit for
OS/2 (and UNIX, and VMS, and ... and ...).  The mere act of trying to
ftp something does not necessarily make it spring forth into existence :-)

But yes, once again, the definitive source for all Kermit software on the
Internet is kermit.columbia.edu.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?!
Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:55:57 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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References: <[e-mail]>

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Keith Petersen) writes:
> [e-mail] (Jianqing Hu) writes:
> > ... don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors
> > undetected (At least on our unix box)
>
> This should fix the problem:
>
> set blo 3
>
> which is short for "set block-check-type 3-char-crc-ccitt".
>
Yes, SET BLOCK 3 should always be used.  It catches errors much better
than the lower-numbered block checks, as explained in the documentation.

For example, I once ran across a terminal server that actually swapped
characters occasionally when its was under heavy load.  Type 1 and 2
block checks (which are simple checksums) would not catch this, but type 3
(a Cyclic Redundancy Check) does.

However (mea culpa) it should be pointed out that C-Kermit 5A(190) could
introduce errors into incoming files if control-character unprefixing was
used on the characters Ctrl-O, Ctrl-N, or Ctrl-P, AND the file actually
contained these characters, AND the connection was a 7-bit, rather than
8-bit, connection (i.e. PARITY was not NONE), AND locking shift protocol
had been successfully negotiated.  This problem is fixed in C-Kermit 5A(190),
which will be released shortly, and is available now for Beta testing.

Folks, if you have problems like the one mentioned above, for goodness'
sakes, report them!  We support our work.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (todd spindler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?!
Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:49:18 -0400
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Binh Anson) writes:
>
>G'day,
>
>I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found
>that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow!
>I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to
>Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ?

Assuming that your modem supports hardware error correction (MNP5 or LAP-M)
then you can tune Kermit for quite fast file transfers.  With
error-correction handled in hardware by the modem, you can turn down the
processing Kermit uses for error-correction.  In addition, turn off the
Xon/Xoff flow control for Kermit as it is unneeded.  Increase packet
size to the maximum allowed by your Kermit applications.  The following
lines added to your .kermrc might help.

set send packet 9024
set rec packet 9024
set block 1
set flow none

On the average, assuming a fairly clean phone line, I can download about
4Mb/hour.  Your mileage may vary.

There are additional tweaks that you can try regarding 8th bit prefixing,
but I haven't got them to work just yet. You can also play with sliding
windows, if your Kermit supports them, to increase throughput, but here
again I haven't had much success with them.

--
Todd Spindler            |Rosenstiel School of Marine & Atmospheric Science
[e-mail]|Dept. of Meteorol & Phys Oceanography /U of Miami
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From: [e-mail] (John Jamulla)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Exiting kermit without modem hangup
Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:21:38 GMT
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Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line?

I'd like to use linux's "term" program and I already have kermit
all set up for my needs. I need kermit to stop buffering and
looking at the link without dropping the phone line

Please reply to below address.

Thanks in advance,
John J.
_________________________________________________________________________
[e-mail]               John Jamulla - Dearborn, MI USA
PROFS:JJAMULLA JAMULLA -ON D1D1           Ford - Car Product Development
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From: [e-mail] (Harry H Conover)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit?
Date: 20 Sep 1994 04:42:18 GMT
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Thanks to all for the pointers on Kermit FTP sites.  I have it now.

If 3.13 proves as good a piece of software as 2.28, I'll likely end up
using it well into the 21st century.

Again, many thanks.

                                    Harry Conover

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff McAdams (J McA))
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability
Date: 20 Sep 1994 03:59:58 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (J. Wakeley Purple) writes:

>MDESOUZA ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Hello All,
>:     I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc.

>: home, but the computer center guys say Kermit is way better.  they have
>: a disk, but i remember that one could download the "latest" kermit

>We at U of Louisville have an 'official' release of kermit you can get by
>copying it to your diskette.  It's got several scripts for it to ease
>access to several systems (mainframe, vax VMS, unix).

>For that reason, it's probably better to use their version and
>installation process even if it's an 'old' version.  The new versions
>mostly have networking improvements that you're not likely to use.

Ok, I work in the computer lab at the above mentioned U of Louisville.
"Our" version of kermit is the latest that is released (we just released
"our" 3.13) with scripts written to automate connections to our
mainframes.

On the machine that I am on right now, we have zmodem installed, and on
comparison, I have found zmodem to be approximately twice as fast at
transferring files as kermit is.

Your computer center guys proly told you kermit is better for one or
more of the following reasons (brainstorming as I write):

1)  They have kermit setup as we do to automate connection procedures
2)  Kermit is almost universally supported as a file transfer
3)  They can get it free or very inexpensively from Columbia and so give
that out to users

As a note for #2.  Please keep in mind that kermit originally was just a
file transfer protocol, and still can be used for that.  Nearly ALL
communications programs have a kermit protocol to use.  Kermit was
originally developed so that files could be tranfered without regard to
what system was sending or recieving those files.  Before kermit, ppl
had to find a protocol that they had in common and fiddle with it to get
it to work, after kermit, everyone just starts up kermit, and sends the
file.  VERY robust.

So in short (yeah right, too late for that I know) kermit is a very good
tool to have because if all else fails, kermit WILL work, but other comm
programs could be better depending on your setup.  I would suggest
trying some out to see which fits your needs best.  Personally, I use
telix, but I'm not exactly a power modem user.  (only 2400 bps in fact).

Chill,
J McA

Hope I've helped and haven't run too long on the subject.

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability
Date: 20 Sep 1994 12:30:38 GMT
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Jeff McAdams (J McA) ([e-mail]) wrote:
: On the machine that I am on right now, we have zmodem installed, and on
: comparison, I have found zmodem to be approximately twice as fast at
: transferring files as kermit is.

Old versions of kermit were much slower than zmodem on binary files,
but current versions are not.  If you are using the current versions
of kermit (C-kermit 5A on Unix and most other hosts, MS-Kermit 3.13
for DOS), you can get file transfers slightly faster than zmodem.

The *default* file tranfer parameters are very conservative, and must
be changed to get high throughput.  The update file that comes with
MS-Kermit 3.13 describes this is some detail.  With the host I
download from, I use the following ".kermrc" file, and get fast
reliable transfers:


set control unprefix all
set control prefix 0 1 129
set window 5
set file type binary
set receive packet 2000


..kermrc is an initialization script that C-Kermit reads when first
run.  The first two lines above are what is new with recent versions.
Kermit assumes by default that many codes, including all eight-bit
codes, will cause problems with communication between the two
machines.  Since more than a few systems use 7 data bits, this is not
an unreasonable assumption, and it allows kermit to work when zmodem
would fail, by sending eight-bit codes as two (or more?) seven-bit codes.

If your system supports eight data bits, then this is unnecessary.
"Set unprefix all" disables all such tricks.  The second line of my
..kermrc restores prefixing to only the three codes that cause problems
on my host.

: Your computer center guys proly told you kermit is better for one or
: more of the following reasons (brainstorming as I write):

: 1)  They have kermit setup as we do to automate connection procedures
: 2)  Kermit is almost universally supported as a file transfer
: 3)  They can get it free or very inexpensively from Columbia and so give
: that out to users.

I like using MS-Kermit as my terminal emulator, because

    1.  It provides excellent VT100 emulation.
    2.  All keys are reprogrammable.  We have reprogrammed our
            function keys, PageUp, PageDown, etc.  so that they
            work the same way in emacs and WordPerfect.
    3.  It provides excellent Tektronix graphics emulation,
            toggling into that mode automatically from VT100 mode.
    4.  It can be used with either serial/modem connections or
            with ethernet connections.  With ethernet connections
            it supports multiple sessions.
    5.  It's free, so we can give it away to our students.

Disadvantage:

    1.  It's not menu driven.

For file transfers, I use Zmodem when connecting to BBS's, because
most of these do not support the current higher speed version of the
kermit protocol.  When attaching to Unix hosts, I use kermit, because
Zmodem is unreliable on enough Unix systems that I have tired of
experimenting, and offers no speed advantage.


--
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP
Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:21:54 -0400
Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited
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In article <35d5gi$[e-mail]>,
Sigurd Andersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
:In article <35abck$[e-mail]>,
:Jerry Alexandratos <[e-mail]> wrote:
:: Has anyone out there been able to successfully multiplex packets so
:: that you can use kermit and another TCPIP application?  ...
::
:: I'm using Kermit v3.13 on Novell v3.11 server with the latest ODI
:: drivers, and PCTCP v2.31 odipkt.
:: ...
::
::     --Jerry       ...
::
:Jerry,
:     An answer from the campus from which you sent your question --
:PC/TCP software from FTP, Inc. includes a program called TNGLASS
:which does all the underlying packet handling, yet allows some other
:program to provide the user interface.  The DOS command to get these
:to work together is
:     TNGLASS <ip number> -E kermit.exe -F custom.ini
:where <ip number> refers to the system to which you wish to connect.
:"-E" tells TNGLASS to use the following program as the user interface.
:"-F" tells MS-KERMIT to use the specified INI file.
:
:     This has allowed people here to make use of MS-Kermit's VT220,
:VT320, and/or Tektronix 4010 terminal emulation, or to use the Kermit
:for communications concurrently with other processes (e.g., FTP).

Ah, but by using tnglass, I am limited to one connection.  If I use
Kermit in raw TCPIP mode, I can get multiple connections, and better
throughput.  Plus, if I shell to dos, I have more room to work with.
The only thing I'm looking for is a way to get better file transer
performance by using ftp instead, without having to give up any of the
goodies that I prefer to use kermit for.

    --Jerry



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From: [e-mail] (Doug Fraser)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem?
Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:06:18 -0400
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In article <35i5nc$[e-mail]>,
Steven Patrick Iltis <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit
>on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with
>Kermit.
>
>If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest
>transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a
>14.4 modem.

This has been the subject of much discussion at my site.  I can get about
1000 cps on a 9600 transferring a zip file to a 486 DX 66 Mhz pc without
the good uart chip (16450 or 16550, I forget).

I also added a kermit control file on the source computer.  I forget the
exact name of the control file (probably .kermitrc for a unix computer)
    set control-character unprefixed all
    set control-character prefixed 0,1,129,17,29
This is discussed in the documentation but I didn't fully appreciate the
social economic impact of doing so.  I think that kermit does something
special with binary characters (prefixes them) which adds extra
characters to transfer.  I noticed that the number of characters that
kermit was transferring was less than the block size.  btw, this is done
on the source (where the file comes from).

As well, be sure to use long blocks (but not too long).  My modem has 7k
of ram buffer.  A 9k block is too long, a 6k block is good.

The set windows did nothing for me and I think it is for more internet
transfers than modem transfers.


Doug Fraser

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem?
Date: 19 Sep 1994 20:26:02 -0700
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[e-mail] (Steven Patrick Iltis) writes:

>Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit?
> with Kermit ... , I can only get about 1200 cps on a
>14.4 modem.

This is an old discussion. In short, why do you think zmodem will do
better than Kermit? Your throughput is already 83 %, and could
THEORETICALLY only improve 17 %. However, the bottleneck may not be
Kermit, but your UART, the host computer, line noise, etc, all
factors that will also slow down zmodem.

Last year's Kermit News had a performance test that showed Kermit
superior over zmodem, and I haven't seen any counter-tests. If you
convincingly measure zmodem to be faster, please publish.

--Roland        email: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Earl H. Kinmonth)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit for DOS/V
Date: 20 Sep 1994 06:41:22 GMT
Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield
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Does anyone know the current state of kermit for DOS/V (the
IBM/Microsoft dual mode version for Japanese/English)?  I have a 3.13
beta from a site in Japan, but it has one bug that renders it almost
unusable.  The code conversion does not work properly for Old-Jis
coding as used by Japan's largest commercial database vendor, Nikkei
Telecom.

--
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Sheffield, England S10 2TN [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup
Date: 20 Sep 1994 18:28:06 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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References: <[e-mail]>
Keywords: term

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John
Jamulla) writes:
> Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line?
>
Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs.  For some the
answer is yes, for others it is no.  In UNIX, of course, the answer is no.
A fundamental aspect of the UNIX operating system is that when a process
exits, all of its open files are closed.  There is no way around it.
But this is not really the question you wanted to ask.

> I'd like to use linux's "term" program and I already have kermit
> all set up for my needs. I need kermit to stop buffering and
> looking at the link without dropping the phone line
>
The real question is: How do I use Kermit with term?  Here is the answer,
from the ckuker.bwr file that is being prepared for the forthcoming C-Kermit
5A(190) release:

(11.3) USING C-KERMIT WITH TERM

The "term" program provides an error-corrected, multiplexed connection
between two UNIX systems, allowing you to run multiple applications over
a single connection, for example several terminal windows and a file
transfer simultaneously.  Term depends on a communications application
(such as C-Kermit) to make the connection and then redirect it to term's
standard i/o.  The advantages of using C-Kermit rather than other
communication programs for this include:

 . C-Kermit's script language lets you automate the entire process.

 . With C-Kermit's REDIRECT command, term sessions are not limited to
   serial connections, but can work over network connections (TCP/IP,
   X.25) too.

Here is an example showing how to set up a term session between two UNIX
systems with with C-Kermit (assuming the connection has already been
made by C-Kermit, e.g. by dialing up):

  C-Kermit> connect
  login: xxx
  Password: xxx
  $ exec term -r -s 38400 -A
  ^\c (escape back)
  C-Kermit>redirect term -s 38400 -A &
  C-Kermit>push
  $

Now you can run term clients such as trsh and tupload at the local shell
prompt.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for Psion 3a
Date: 20 Sep 1994 19:21:33 GMT
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In article <35mv65$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Wodehouse Lord)
writes:
> Has anyone though about a kermit for the Psion 3a?
>
There is no Psion version of Kermit in our archives, nobody has ever
mentioned this system before, and I never heard of it.  When posting
messages like this:

  Is there a Kermit program for <name-of-system>

it might also be a good idea to include a brief description of the
system -- processor, languages available, operating system, etc, so at
least we could point you to something close.

You can find a concise list of Kermit versions in the Kermit archive
at kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a (or b, c, d, or e) in the
files aav*.hlp, where * is a 3-letter phrase indicating how the file
is sorted -- by system name, OS name, programming language, date, etc.
There are presently about 450 entries in this list.

- Frank
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This is a test, please ignore...  Execpt I'm wondering if any of my
postings are making it out to the world, since all the questions I answered
yesterday are being asked again today.  Maybe it's just propogation delay.

But I would appreciate a *few* replies (by email, direct to me at
[e-mail]) to let me know if you have seen this message, especially
if you are far away from New York City.

Thanks.

- Frank

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just a few quick questions about MacKermit.....

does anyone know when version 1.0 will be released????

i'm currently using 0.9(188). i got 0.9(190) a while ago, but this
gave me endless problems when i tried to download stuff with it. anyone
else experienced this? what's wrong with it?

hope someone can answer these!

Later,
-Smoke.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MacKermit questions....
Date: 20 Sep 1994 21:46:14 GMT
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In article <35mre2$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) writes:
> does anyone know when version 1.0 will be released????
>
No.  As of now, and for the past four years or so, nobody has been available
on the Mac-Specific aspects of Mac Kermit, at least not for enough time to
take care of all the deficiencies that badly need attention before a final
1.0 release can be announced.

Anybody who is already comfortable programming the Macintosh in MPW C
and has a fair amount of time to devote bringing Mac Kermit into fold is
more than welcome to step forward!

> i'm currently using 0.9(188). i got 0.9(190) a while ago, but this
> gave me endless problems when i tried to download stuff with it. anyone
> else experienced this? what's wrong with it?
>
I was able to fix this problem a few weeks ago.  What was wrong was:
a file-system call that used to work in Mac OS 7.0 and earlier -- all the
way back to the very earliest Mac OS's -- stopped working in 7.1.

Pick up the fixed -- but still not release-quality -- Mac Kermit from
kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/text, text mode, file
ckm190.hqx.  Un-binHex with BinHex 4.0.  Please also get the ckmker.bwr
file and read it.

- Frank

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Date: Tue, 20 Sep 94 18:06:24 EDT
From: Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]>
To: Sigurd Andersen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Testing 1 2 3
In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 20 Sep 1994 18:03:43 -0400

> In one of your postings, I think you inadvertantly included a typo
> which might confuse some ... you said that C-Kermit 5A(190) can introduce
> errors under some odd circumstances, and that C-Kermit 5A(190) fixes
> that bug.  The identical version can't do both ...
>
Right.  C-Kermit 5A(189) had the bug.  Previous and later versions do not.

- Frank

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Perhaps this is in the documentation somewhere, but I missed it.  When
I run Kermit and I have an expanded memory manager running, I get a lot
of noise in the connection.  Lots of beeps and missing characters, and there's
just no way to transfer a file, because too many retries are necessary.
I have old slow (8250?) UARTs, and I'm connecting at 14,400 bps.  Does
anyone have an idea what's going on?  Is there any way to fix it short of
turning of the expanded memory manager?

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--
I am using Mac Kermit .98(62). How do I specify a port number when
telneting?

Any help would be appreciated,

(Steve Thoemke) [e-mail]


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In article <35n1kd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steve
Thoemke) writes:
> I am using Mac Kermit .98(62). How do I specify a port number when
> telneting?  Any help would be appreciated,
>
Maybe not :-)  Mac Kermit -- any version (yours is ancient) does not
make TELNET connections.  There is no TCP/IP support in Mac Kermit.
Perhaps some day.

- Frank

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In article <35n0io$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Randolph M. Jones) writes:
> Perhaps this is in the documentation somewhere, but I missed it.  When
> I run Kermit and I have an expanded memory manager running, I get a lot
> of noise in the connection.  Lots of beeps and missing characters, and
> there's just no way to transfer a file, because too many retries are
> necessary.  I have old slow (8250?) UARTs, and I'm connecting at 14,400
> bps.  Does anyone have an idea what's going on?  Is there any way to fix
> it short of turning of the expanded memory manager?
>
From Joe Doupnik (author of MS-DOS Kermit):

Randolf,

Columbia rescued your query while I await Pony Express (sic) delivery of
the new comp.protocols.kermit.misc group to my campus. Any year now.

Let's take a few guesses.  Expanded memory needs a 64KB chunk of upper
memory block and you need to pin down where with a FRAME= command
argument to your memory manager.  Segment E000 is a common spot, but
ensure nothing gets into A000-BFFF video.  Do the same in Windows'
SYSTEM.INI, [enhanced] section. And be generous with the "exclude="
phrases to protect your machine.

Memory managers differ a lot about how a machine is switched between
real and protected mode, and the switch is needed to make visible the
big chunk of memory devoted to expanded memory (even though only a 64KB
piece is visible at one time).  If you have competing TSRs which use
expanded memory (disk caches come to mind) then they will beat up on the
machine.  Print spoolers are well known hazards for comms programs.  So
you may need to do a little local tuning to minimize the interference.

Next, be really sure there is nothing else using the IRQs of your serial
port.  Some network boards default to IRQ 3 (COM2), for example.  There
can be no sharing, else trouble.  While doing this, check port address
blocks for conflicts too; a serial port wants 8 port values starting at
the stated base, say \x03f8, and overlaps with other boards are possible
but fatal.

Please do watch any disk cache because those gems gather bytes for a
while then take a huge slice of cpu time (with interrupt recognition
defeated) to hand them out to the disk drive.  My suggestion is remove
such caching, but you can experiment to see if that is the cause.

You have probably read a lot about the 16550A buffered UART chips.  They
do work very well indeed covering up the holes created by greedy TSRs,
and I recommend you investigate available boards.  Kermit has supported
that chip in FIFO mode for many years.  For positively difficult outage
cases you might look into more expensive serial boards which simulate a
16550A but with a 1KB buffer rather than the 16 Byte kind on the chip;
the Hayes ESP board is one I use here.

Finally, look out for other TSRs such as screen savers and keyboard
helpers and FAX drivers. Each of them can cause trouble to serial comms
gear.

    Joe D.

[I would only add that MS-DOS Kermit works just fine with expanded memory
turned on, on thousands of PCs that have 8250 UARTs, including my own, so
the problem Randolph reports is not endemic to Kermit, but a peculiarity
of his setup, an unfortunate byproduct of PC architecture.  By the way,
a big advantage of expanded memory is that Kermit can take advantage of
it to store your rollback screens, so you can have literally thousands
of them.  Also...  Be sure to read the section on memory management in
the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette.  - Frank]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit and SET CARRIER
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In article <35mobr$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> In <35kvu0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (R. Kimber)
writes:
> >I have a new machine and am trying to get C-Kermit working, using COM2.
> >When I try to connect I get a message something like "Carrier not
> >detected".
> Try "set carrier off" at the C-kermit command prompt.
>
It's all in the documentation.  This is normal behavior.  The question is,
what do you want carrier to do?  Most people want to know that the
connection has dropped if carrier goes off.  This is what Kermit is set up
to do by default.  The conundrum is: "If I can't communicate with carrier
is off, then how am I supposed to make a connection?"  Answer: the DIAL
command, of course.  C-Kermit's default CARRIER setting is AUTO, meaning
that carrier is not to be required by the DIAL command (makes sense,
right?), but it is required by the CONNECT command.

If you don't want to use the DIAL command, but would rather CONNECT to
the modem and type AT commands at it, then SET CARRIER OFF before giving
the CONNECT command.  But remember that when CARRIER is OFF, Kermit will
not notice if the carrier signal drops.

Version 5A(190) of C-Kermit gives you a message that pretty much tells
you this story if you attempt to CONNECT to a serial device that is not
presenting the carrier signal when Kermit's CARRIER setting is ON or AUTO.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Eugene Tyurin)
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Hi netters,

I'm confused: I tried to find Mac binary on kermit.columbia.edu, but
found none, on umich.edu they have kermit and mackermit files: I took
the latest one and info said: "Alpha Development version". It was
0.99 pl 190 (?) and was dated Nov. '93.

In a nutshell: where can I get latest kermit binary for MacOS ver. 6?

Thanks in advance,
--
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Which is the latest Kermit for MacOS?
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In article <35nr4v$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Eugene Tyurin) writes:
> I'm confused: I tried to find Mac binary on kermit.columbia.edu, but
> found none, on umich.edu they have kermit and mackermit files: I took
> the latest one and info said: "Alpha Development version". It was
> 0.99 pl 190 (?) and was dated Nov. '93.
> In a nutshell: where can I get latest kermit binary for MacOS ver. 6?
>
Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994 or later fixes the problem
with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x).  Now files can be
downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power
Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects.
It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to
result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode.

The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988.
Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or
Systems.  However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so
you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models.

A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the
result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite
suitable for most purposes.

The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final
release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta.  It is available
via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory
kermit/test/text.

A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release
is complete.  Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when
that will be.  Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same
thing) for further announcements.  You can subscribe to the Kermit
Digest by sending email to [e-mail] (or
[e-mail]) containing the text:

  SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here

Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/test/text directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

(End of ckmaaa.hlp)

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: Is their a version of Kermit for DOS that supports dynamic
: blocks?  And where can that be obtained?

try kermit.columbia.edu (anonymous ftp)
the latest version for dos supports extended length packets
and sliding windows.

just follow the directions from there.

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As a brief example, it is script expect send

example: (logging into a unix machine)

    script ~0 ~r                  <- does not wait for anything, send a <cr>
    script ~w30login: me          <- wait for 30 sec. for login; send name
    script password: blahblah     <- wait (default time) and send password

I recommend de Cruz's (sp?) using C-Kermit book.  It is chock full of
usefull stuff and examples for building c-kermit scripts.

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Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have
not had any luck.

Thanks in Advance,

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make sure you type set file type binary on both sides of kermit, host
and local.
--
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([e-mail])
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Computer Science
Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008    phone [phone]

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    What is the most recent kermit version made for IBM??
Please email me only...thanks!
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Fine Arts &
Computer Science
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From: [e-mail] (Timothy John Flynn)
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What is  the best kermit setup for use with windows.  I seem to get alot
of retry messages when I use these two together...

please respond by email only!

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Davidsen)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
John Chandler <[e-mail]> wrote:

:: If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest
:: transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a
:: 14.4 modem.
:
:1200 cps = 12,000 bps.  That's not bad for a 14,400-bps modem.

Since all 14.4 modes have v.42 error correcting, the limit is of the
order of 9.3 bits/byte (V.42 uses 8/byte + overhead), the practical
limit is around 1550cps, assuming DTE (serial) rates set to 19.2k,
hardware flow control, measuring transfer of compressed data files.

I have seen higher, but this is what you might expect with no obvious
errors in your setup and zmodem or kermit with a bit of tuning.
--
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    "Pain builds moral fiber"  -my dad
    "Pain hurts"  -me

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Davidsen)
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In article <35mkle$[e-mail]>,
Rick Matthews <[e-mail]> wrote:

:Old versions of kermit were much slower than zmodem on binary files,
:but current versions are not.  If you are using the current versions
:of kermit (C-kermit 5A on Unix and most other hosts, MS-Kermit 3.13
:for DOS), you can get file transfers slightly faster than zmodem.

Let's say that having used both protocols for many years, both the old
and current versions, both UNIX and DOS talking in various combinations,
using all of the tuning you mention below... I've never seen any
indication that this is possible, at least for transferring compressed
data files, which is all I care about.

I often use Kermit because I don't care about the speed for small files
and Kermit gives about 95-96% of zmodem speed, but that last few percent
always eludes me.

considering that my Kermit is always the latest and my zmodem is about
four years old, I think that means there are some tricks and
dependencies in getting the last little bit out of Kermit, and that
zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user.
:
:The *default* file transfer parameters are very conservative, and must
:be changed to get high throughput.  The update file that comes with
:MS-Kermit 3.13 describes this is some detail.  With the host I
:download from, I use the following ".kermrc" file, and get fast
:reliable transfers:
:
:
:set control unprefix all
:set control prefix 0 1 129
:set window 5
:set file type binary
:set receive packet 2000

A word about that, I believe that setting the packet size to about the
amount of data you transfer in one sec over a reliable link (v.42/TCP)
or about half that for an unreliable link (modem w/o error correction
and bad line) is optimal. On most systems further tuning gives 1-2% at
most.

You may have to set the total buffer size up (set buffers) to get this
with higher speeds.

Going through *some* terminal servers I have found that keeping the
packet size <=800 gives better performance. I set the total buffering
(packet size * window) to about 5-7 times the one second throughput of
the line. This is something which may help if you have a system which
just gives bad throughput all the time. You may have 10-15 windows doing
this, it works for me.

hope these experiences are useful to someone.
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Haymore)
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Bill Davidsen ([e-mail]) wrote:
| In article <[e-mail]>,
| :1200 cps = 12,000 bps.  That's not bad for a 14,400-bps modem.

| Since all 14.4 modes have v.42 error correcting, the limit is of the
| order of 9.3 bits/byte (V.42 uses 8/byte + overhead), the practical
| limit is around 1550cps, assuming DTE (serial) rates set to 19.2k,
| hardware flow control, measuring transfer of compressed data files.

I usually get above 1600cps on compressed files, with the DTE rate at
38.4k.  How much overhead is there in V.42?

--
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From: [e-mail] (Ed Haymore)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
| In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John
| Jamulla) writes:
| > Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line?
| >
| Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs.  For some the
| answer is yes, for others it is no.  In UNIX, of course, the answer is no.
| A fundamental aspect of the UNIX operating system is that when a process
| exits, all of its open files are closed.  There is no way around it.
| But this is not really the question you wanted to ask.

Actually, I used to exit kermit all the time without hanging up the
modem...  for my Zyxel, the command "at&d0" tells it not to hang up when
DTR is dropped.  But now I run term with kermit's shell command (!)
instead, often as part of my kermit startup script.

--
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[e-mail]    |   and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

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From: [e-mail] (Maxwell E Evarts)
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Summary: FTP owns the board...
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>Ah, but by using tnglass, I am limited to one connection.  If I use
>Kermit in raw TCPIP mode, I can get multiple connections, and better
>throughput.  Plus, if I shell to dos, I have more room to work with.
>The only thing I'm looking for is a way to get better file transer
>performance by using ftp instead, without having to give up any of the
>goodies that I prefer to use kermit for.

Unfortunately, the ETHDRV driver that PC/TCP loads owns the board, as it
sounds like you already understand.  Here's a clip from the the
MS-Kermit "beware" file that explains indicates PKTMUX as a possible
solution for the brave (or foolhardy :-) :

------ Begin --------

Kermit always registers for the ARP and IP protocols.  In addition, but only
if you gave the command SET TCP ADDRESS RARP, it will also register for RARP.
Remember the rule:

  ONLY ONE APPLICATION PER PROTOCOL PER NETWORK BOARD!

That's why you can't run (say) PC-NFS and Kermit TCP/IP connections at
the same time.  Here are some hints for getting around this:

 . If PC-NFS comes with an Interrupt-14 redirector (similar to FTP
   Software's TNGLASS program), you can use that in conjunction with
   Kermit's SET PORT BIOS1.  Not as good Kermit's built-in TCP/IP
   TELNET, but better than nothing.

 . You can experiment with the PKTMUX driver.  This is supposed to let
   multiple TCP/IP stacks share the same network board.  Nobody knows
   very much about this, and a quick glance at the user manual is more
   than a little bit scary.  You can find PKTMUX on kermit.columbia.edu,
   directory packet-drivers/new, files pktdrv.exe and pktmux*.*.

 . You can install a second network board and give one to PC-NFS and
   the other to Kermit.  This is actually the best choice -- network
   boards don't cost much these days, especially compared to value of the
   amount of time you'd have to spend futzing with the other approaches.

------ End -------


Hope this helps.

- Max
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Maxwell Evarts                     [e-mail]
Kermit Distribution
Columbia University - AcIS         [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Morris)
writes:
> On 18 Sep 1994 18:32:58 -0600 Kerry Schwab wrote:
> > Yes, look at the "REDIRECT" command.  Suppose you were trying to
> > recieve a file, you'd do "sz <file>", enter the kermit escape char,
> > then type "REDIRECT rz".
> Is this on the level? I'm using C-Kermit 5A(189) and don't have
> the redirect keyword -- which version do I need
>
5A(190).  It's in Beta.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).

In the archive, see the file ckurzsz.ini.

- Frank
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How to print screen?  Using VT100.ini Control F2 turns on the printer and back
off but I need to print the displayed screen.

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gary A.
Foley) writes:
> How to print screen?  Using VT100.ini Control F2 turns on the printer and
> back off but I need to print the displayed screen.
>
Explained on pages 82-84 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".  Very briefly, there
are two ways:

  1. Just push the Print Screen key.  This is a DOS function, having
      nothing to do with Kermit.

  2. Hold down the Ctrl key and press the End key on the numeric
     keypad.  This is a Kermit function.  By default, it does not
     actually print the screen, but rather copies it to a disk file
     whose name is (by default) KERMIT.SCN on the current disk and
     directory.

You can use method (2) to print the current screen on the printer by
first giving the command:

  SET DUMP PRN

to direct screen dumps to the PRN "file" (i.e. the printer).  For
additional details, please read the manual.

- Frank

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Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is
that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns
inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even
recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I
load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so
the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit
downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP?

All help would be appreciated.

Jodye.

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From: [e-mail] (Maxwell E Evarts)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
YATES, JODYE <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is
>that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns
>inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even
>recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I
>load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so
>the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit
>downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP?

Uhh, I don't think this is really a Kermit problem.  Standard ASCII
format for DOS means a CR-LF (carriage-return+line-feed) at the end of
each line, which translates into a "hard return" at the end of each line
in WP terms.  Any word processor worth its salt ought to be able read
ASCII text in such a way that converts CR-LF combos into whatever it's
internal end-of-line convention calls for.

I've never used WP 6, but in 5.1 you can do it by saying Ctrl-F5,1,3.

Hope this helps.

- Max


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From: [e-mail] (Lambright Christian P)
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I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get
the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will
use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try
it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but
repeatedly when invoking 'kermit', it doesn't seem to notice that
there even is a mscustom.ini. Only those things set/defined in the
kermit.ini file get called, and I notice that things change only if
I change them in that file.
 Also, I want to set up different .ini files to use for either a
vax system or a unix. Is this necessary or even desirable?
 Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks.
-Chris

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Joe Kreidler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have
: not had any luck.

: Thanks in Advance,

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Put a line into .kermrc that says: set file type binary
Curiously enough it does not default to binary. Anyone know why?

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Sending Binary Files
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bjorn Kihlberg)
writes:
> Joe Kreidler ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have
> : not had any luck.
> Put a line into .kermrc that says: set file type binary
> Curiously enough it does not default to binary. Anyone know why?
>
It has to default to something.  If you don't like it to default to text
(as it does), then by all means put "set file type binary" into your
Kermit initialization file (MSKERMIT.INI, .kermrc, CKERMIT.INI, etc,
depending on which Kermit version we're talking about).

- Frank

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Joe Kreidler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Can someone inform me how to transfer a binary file with Kermit. I have
: not had any luck.

Tell the sending kermit

    set file type binary


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Won't 'take mscustom.ini'
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In article <35p6ev$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lambright
Christian P) writes:
> I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get
> the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will
> use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try
> it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but
> repeatedly when invoking 'kermit' ...
>
That's because the way that MSCUSTOM.INI gets executed is by a TAKE
command in MSKERMIT.INI.

We recommend that you NOT change MSKERMIT.INI, and that you put all of
your customizations into MSCUSTOM.INI.

Then you won't get into this kind of trouble.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Bill Davidsen)
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In article <35o3hr$[e-mail]>,
Ed Haymore <[e-mail]> wrote:

:I usually get above 1600cps on compressed files, with the DTE rate at
:38.4k.  How much overhead is there in V.42?

Negative overhead, believe it or not. Without V.42 you send 10 bit/byte,
with start and stop bits. With V.42 you use synchronous data between the
modems, so you only have (from memory) about 8.3 bits/byte. Kermit
generally adds enough overhead to bring the overall speed dow to the
ballpark of 9.3 bits/byte, although fine tuning can improve on this
somewhat. At 1700cps you are getting about all the modem can give you.

I quoted 1550 as being a reasonable goal, compared to whatever the
original poster mentioned (1400?), rather than as an absolute limit. I
don't doubt that you can get a bit more if you work at it. For
compressed files I would not expect going above 19.2 to help, but if you
are running v.42bis (compression in the modem) you can get speeds up to
115.2k (but more like 45k on any data I've thought was "typical").
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Monty)
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Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but
it was never answered:  Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP
packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13?

I load the packet driver with this command:

C:\SLIP8250>slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 57600

After successfully connecting to the remote SLIP server, I escape back to
the MS-Kermit prompt and do this:

MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com
MS-Kermit>connect
Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
 Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting
?Cannot start the connection.
MS-Kermit>

I can, at this point, quit MS-Kermit, unload the SLIP8250 version 11.7
driver, load SLIP8250 version 9.6, re-invoke MS-Kermit, then establish a
TCP/IP connection without any problem.  What's different about the newer
version of the packet driver?  I'd like to be able to use it instead of
the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from
memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability.

Is there a SLIP packet driver available that's any better than SLIP8250
and works well with MS-Kermit 3.13?

And, in case anyone cares, I just started using MS-Kermit and have fallen
in love with it!  The VT-series terminal emulation is unsurpassed, and the
built-in TCP/IP ``stack'' (is that the right lingo?) has enabled me to
access the Internet via a SLIP connection from a wimpy i80386SX machine
with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive that doesn't ``do'' Microsoft
Windows.  The contributions to this news groups by Mr. da Cruz are superb,
as well.

Thanks for your help.


---
Jim Monty
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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Phelan)
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Has anyone found the magic combination of settings to get MS-Kermit 3.13
to work with an Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i ?  I keep trying to get this to
work, but never have enough time to really see it through.

Thanks in advance for any ideas!
-PatP

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comp.protocols.kermit.misc is an unmoderated newsgroup which passed its vote
for creation by 233:28 as reported in news.announce.newgroups on 7 Sep 1994.

For your newsgroups file:
comp.protocols.kermit.misc    Kermit protocol and software.

The charter, culled from the call for votes:

  The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all
  topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and
  answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions
  of performance and protocol issues.  It is not intended as a software
  announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of
  massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script
  programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest
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  Kermit software is the repository at Columbia University, and the act of
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Hi there,

I've been using Kermit v3.13 for quite a while now on my 8086 8Mhz PC with a
14k4 modem. Recently SLIP has become available here at our university. How do I
go about rigging Kermit for use with SLIP? Is it possible? Our sys admin says
no but I am not convinced. All I need is a slip-packetdriver right? and set
some kermit settings, right?

Can anyone enlighten me on this subject?

Thanks!

Jan


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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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>I recently got a new PC. I transferred Kermit and all the scripts
>it uses from my old to my new system.
[......]
>On my old system (286, EMS, 16550A) this worked perfect. On my
>new system (486, PCI, EMM386, 16550A) the computer hangs as soon
>as the line is dropped after filling in all info.

>If I start Kermit under Windows, everything works just fine, but then
>the serial ports just look like 8250's and all benefits of high speed
>UARTS are therefore lost.

In another usegroup (can't rem. exact name, something like
"ms-windows.comm") someone posted a Microsoft info file that sayed 16550A
support for *DOS programs* is a new feature of WfW 3.11 that Win3.1 did
not have.

[....]

>Are there any known problems with PCI systems, 16550A's and Kermit?

I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a
new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new
problems now:

(1) Sometimes, but not very often, when I first start Kermit, the system
hangs, and the Ctrl-Alt-Del would not help. I guess this non-stable error
happens when Kermit analyses the Comm-Port. With my two former PCs I
already observed that Kermit *sometimes* (not very often) cannot correctly
initialize the Comm Port, with a message like "wrong hardware found for
port" or something similar. After exiting Kermit and restarting it for a
2nd, sometimes third, time everything would work fine.

(2) I used to run my connection with 19200 Baud before. This is still
possible with my new PC in terminal mode and when transferring
"non-binary" files, however when I try to download zip-Files I get lots of
retries. No problem with 9600 Baud. The 19200-Baud problem is independent
of whether or not I start Kermit under Windows (WfW3.11), and independent
of COM2Fifo=0/1 in system.ini. It also happens when I use Win-Kermit
(Win100) instead (although, due to the maximal block length 96, the chances
of getting the entire file before reaching the max retries limit are
better).

So, I also would like to hear if there are known problems with PCI,
16550A and Kermit.

Thanx in advance
Peter
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit/SLIP/modem <-- Question!
Date: 22 Sep 1994 12:38:18 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
> I've been using Kermit v3.13 for quite a while now on my 8086 8Mhz PC with
> a 14k4 modem. Recently SLIP has become available here at our university.
> How do I go about rigging Kermit for use with SLIP? Is it possible? Our
> sys admin says no but I am not convinced. All I need is a slip-packetdriver
> right? and set some kermit settings, right?
>
Right.  From the KERMIT.HLP file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 diskette:

MAKING SLIP CONNECTIONS

To make a SLIP (Serial Line IP) connection, follow these steps:

1. SET PORT 1
   (or whichever serial port you will be using for the SLIP connection).

2. SET SPEED 19200
   (or whatever speed you will be using)

3. SET FLOW RTS/CTS (or NONE)
   Don't use Xon/Xoff flow control on a SLIP connection!  SLIP and Xon/Xoff
   are incompatible with each other.

4. Establish a connection to the terminal server or other device that will be
   providing SLIP service.  Determine the IP address and other information
   (e.g. gateway address) that it has assigned to you.    Normally, these are
   displayed on your screen before the terminal server enters SLIP mode.

5. Escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and EXIT from MS-DOS Kermit.  The
   connection is left open.

6. Start the SLIP8250 driver, telling it to use the same port (hex address
   and IRQ number must be supplied) and speed (decimal) used in (1) and
   (2) above, and to use hardware flow control (-h), for example:

      slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 19200

7. Start MS-DOS Kermit again.  Do NOT give it a SET PORT command for the
   serial port where SLIP is running.  Instead, give the SET TCP ADDRESS,
   SET TCP GATEWAY, and other necessary SET TCP commands.  Then, to make
   a connection, use SET PORT TCP <address>, where <address> is the IP
   hostname or address of the IP host you want to connect to.

Note: In version 3.13 and later, it is also possible to obtain BOOTP service
on a SLIP connection if your SLIP server is configured to provide it (for
example, Cisco terminal servers can do this).  Also, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13's
SHOW COMMUNICATIONS command will display the IP address of the BOOTP server.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i
Date: 22 Sep 1994 13:01:22 GMT
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In article <35q1jn$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Patrick Phelan) writes:
> Has anyone found the magic combination of settings to get MS-Kermit 3.13
> to work with an Intel Satisfaxtion 400/i ?  I keep trying to get this to
> work, but never have enough time to really see it through.
>
Not to my knowledge, although we have had quite a few inquiries about it.
We do not have an Intel modem on hand, nor any documentation.  If we had
the documentation, we could easily adapt one of the existing modem dialing
scripts.  So could you.  Here is our current collection of modem scripts:

    Modem Type             DOS Filename  Internet

  *  AT&T DataPort 14400    DATAPORT.SCR  kermit/a/msmdatap.scr
  *  Boca 14.4 Faxmodem     BOCA.SCR      kermit/a/msmboca.scr
  *  Digicom Connection144+ CONN144P.SCR  kermit/a/msmc144p.scr
     Hayes 1200 or 2400     HAYES.SCR     kermit/a/msmhayes.scr
  *  Hayes Ultra 144        ULTRA144.SCR  kermit/a/msmultra.scr
  *  Multitech MT1432       MT1432.SCR    kermit/a/msmmt1432.scr
  *  Penril Alliance V.32   PENRIL.SCR    kermit/a/msmpenril.scr
  *  Practical Peripherals  PP14400.SCR   kermit/a/msmpp14400.scr
     Rolm CBX DCM           ROLM.SCR      kermit/a/msmrolm.scr
  *  SupraFAXmodem V.32bis  SUPRA.SCR     kermit/a/msmsupra.scr
  *  Telebit QBlazer V.32   QBLAZER.SCR   kermit/a/msmqblazer.scr
  *  Telebit T3000 V.32bis  T3000.SCR     kermit/a/msmt3000.scr
  *  US Robotics Sportster  SPORT.SCR     kermit/a/msmsport.scr
     Vadic VA2400PA         VA2400PA.SCR  kermit/a/msmva2400.scr
  ** VIVA 2442ef FAX/MODEM  VIVA.SCR      kermit/a/msmviva.scr
  *  Wang 14/14i or 14/14e  WANG14.SCR    kermit/a/msmwang14.scr
  *  Zoltrix Platinum 14400 PP14400.SCR   kermit/a/msmpp14400.scr
  *  Zoom Telephonics 14400 ZOOM.SCR      kermit/a/msmzoom.scr
  *  ZyXEL 1496             ZYXEL.SCR     kermit/a/msmzyxel.scr

The ones marked with a single asterisk are for high-speed modems.  They
are all constructed more or less according to the following steps:

 1. Get out your modem manual.

 2. Determine the highest speed at which your modem "autobauds", i.e.
    at which you can type "AT" and carriage return, and the AT echoes,
    and the modem prints OK.  Hopefully this will be 57600 or 38400.
    Include a SET SPEED command for this speed.

 3. Make sure the modem is set to echo and to return word result codes.
    The commands are usually E1 V1 Q0.

 4. Make sure your modem is set to hang up when the computer turns off
    the DTR signal.  The command is usually something like &D2.

 5. Make sure your modem is set to turn off its DCD (Data Carrier Detect)
    signal if the connection drops.  The command is usually &C1.  This
    doesn't actually make any difference in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and earlier,
    but it's good practice, and can be used with SET CARRIER ON in future
    releases of MS-DOS Kermit.

 6. Issue the commands to enable modulation negotiation starting at the
    highest level your modem supports (V.34 or V.32bis), and working down.
    The commands are highly modem-specific.  Unnecessary for modems that
    do this automatically based on the interface speed.

 7. Enable RTS/CTS hardware flow control.  This is ESSENTIAL when using
    error-correcting modems.  Again, the command is modem-specific.

 8. Make the modem pass the BREAK signal through transparently.

 9. Enable error correction with fallback, preferably V.42 with fallback
    to the various MNP levels.

10. Enable data compression with fallback, preferably V.42bis with
    fallback to the various MNP levels.

11. IMPORTANT: Enable "automatic speed buffering", i.e. make sure the
    modem's interface speed is fixed, i.e. does not change in response the
    modulation negotiation.

12. Using any of the high-speed modem scripts as a template, substitute
    your modem's commands for the ones in the script.

13. Check the remainder of the script to make sure the modem responses
    used there agree with those given by your modem (CONNECT, BUSY,
    NO DIALTONE, etc).

14. Include comments saying what each command does.

15. Test your script thoroughly, then send it by e-mail to
    [e-mail] so we can add it to our collection.  In the
    comment section, unless you have strenuous objections, include your
    name and e-mail address in case questions come up later.

That should do it.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (John D Cederman)
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Hello again,
     Here I am to talk about my solution for the problem with
Qmodem/Zmodem.  If you change your protocal to Kermit and use Kermit to
upload Text files...  You will not have any problems.  And don't worry
about a 0.0001 seconds of time one way or the other.


(cederman)



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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) says:

>In article <35p6ev$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Lambright
>Christian P) writes:
>> I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get
>> the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will
>> use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try
>> it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but
>> repeatedly when invoking 'kermit' ...
>>
>That's because the way that MSCUSTOM.INI gets executed is by a TAKE
>command in MSKERMIT.INI.
>
>We recommend that you NOT change MSKERMIT.INI, and that you put all of
>your customizations into MSCUSTOM.INI.
>
>Then you won't get into this kind of trouble.
>
>- Frank
>
>x
>x
>x
>

It could also be that if you are using MSKERMIT.INI in a non-PC clone
MSDOS environment.

There is a minor bug in older MSKERMIT.INIs that will never  take
MSCUSTOM.INI if MSKERMIT determines it is not being called from
a Kermit that identifies itself as IBM PC version.

I sent Frank the fix a while back. I imagine it is in the lastest
release?

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From: [e-mail] (Dwight Hugget)
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Subject: Redialing, Divide overflow error
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I running kermit on my PC and I've tweaked the number of redial attempts
from the default to a high number (500 to be exact). I did this b/c
my local access number is usually busy so it's easier to keep trying.
I usually get connected after having some coffee or midnight snack.

I get a divide overflow after a varying number of attempts.
Any idea why???? I'll include a segment of my dialing script:
____________________________________________________________

:BEGIN            ; Now DIAL.
clear          ; Clear INPUT buffer.
;***********************************
;*lets  stretch out the retry count*
;***********************************
;set count 5                     ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed.
set count 500        ; my count
echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait...
echo
pause 1
goto dial                       ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message

:REDIAL
;set alarm 30
;pause 30       ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing.
;****************************************
;*lets be quicker about redials an so on*
;*alarm and pause number should be =    *
;****************************************
set alarm 3
pause 3
if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.}
echo Redialing...               ; Message for redialing.
pause 1
--------------------------------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability
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Bill Davidsen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <35mkle$[e-mail]>,
: Rick Matthews <[e-mail]> wrote:

: :Old versions of kermit were much slower than zmodem on binary files,
: :but current versions are not.  If you are using the current versions
: :of kermit (C-kermit 5A on Unix and most other hosts, MS-Kermit 3.13
: :for DOS), you can get file transfers slightly faster than zmodem.
<snip>
: I've never seen any
: indication that this is possible, at least for transferring compressed
: data files, which is all I care about.

: I often use Kermit because I don't care about the speed for small files
: and Kermit gives about 95-96% of zmodem speed, but that last few percent
: always eludes me.

I just transferred a GIF file and a text file, each about 180Kbytes.
On the GIF file, I timed Kermit at 96.5% of zmodem speed, close to
your experience with compressed files.  For the text file, Kermit was
106.2% of zmodem speed.

: zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user.

Agreed.  Kermit is not for the turnkey user, unless the user is
unusually patient.  Creating the three-line ".kermrc" file is
essential for reasonable throughput with kermit.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Won't 'take mscustom.ini'
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In article <35p6ev$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Lambright Christian P) writes:
> I'd appreciate any help from someone who know exactly how to get
> the .ini files set in kermit 3.13. Supposedly the kermit.ini will
> use the mscustom.ini if it's there, which it is, but when I try
> it, it doesn't. I changed things in mscustom.ini as suggested but
> repeatedly when invoking 'kermit', it doesn't seem to notice that
> there even is a mscustom.ini. Only those things set/defined in the
> kermit.ini file get called, and I notice that things change only if
> I change them in that file.
>  Also, I want to set up different .ini files to use for either a
> vax system or a unix. Is this necessary or even desirable?
>  Any help will be appreciated.
> Thanks.
> -Chris
----------
    Perhaps the name "kermit.ini" is the culprit. MS-DOS Kermit
expects name MSKERMIT.INI; that's built into the program. That file,
in turn, can contain a line saying TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI and so on.
    Joe D.
P.S. This group has just appeared in my (Utah State Univ) News reader
so I can now follow the conversations (or make a good try). Realize that
News may take one (my case) or two days to reach outlying districts.

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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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I currently use David Nugent's BNU 1.70 FOSSIL driver at home
with Binkleyterm, BGFAX and MS-Kermit, using the command line:

  Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2

MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to
work with BNU loaded on COM2:.

Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way?


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (YATES, JODYE) writes:
> Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is
> that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns
> inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even
> recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I
> load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so
> the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit
> downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP?
>
> All help would be appreciated.
>
> Jodye.
---------
    Word processor files are NOT TEXT(!), they are pure data for that
particular program. Which means they are loaded to the gills with binary
formatting and whatnot material throughout. Treat such files as BINARY.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ramon F Herrera)
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Subject: man page for kermit?
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Is there a man page for kermit somewhere??

-Ramon Herrera
GCT, Inc.


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From: [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
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Subject: Re: converting kermit downloads to ascii or WordPerf.
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YATES, JODYE ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is
: that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns
: inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even
: recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I
: load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so
: the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit
: downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP?

You need to do a little homework to find out how your files differ
from standard ascii, and whether the hard returns exist in the
original file.  On a UNIX system you can use the command

    xd -c filename

to view the file byte by byte, including control codes and codes
greater than 127.  If you see \n (linefeed) scattered through your
text, the hard returns are already there, so you may be stuck.

If there are other problems, you have a couple of options.  The UNIX
"col" command will strip backspaces and reverse line feeds from the
file.  If there are other control codes that are giving WordPerfect a
hard time, I have a short Fortran program that strips all control
codes except newline and all eight-bit codes from your file.  It also
corrects for backspaces, leaving only the "topmost" character in the
file.  The program does use the functions "getc" and "putc" for single
character I/O.  These commons are available on many systems, but are
certainly not standard Fortran and may not be available on your
system.  It would be a piece of cake for a C programmer to translate
program, and getc and putc are standard in C.  If you are interested,
I'll email it to you.

--
Rick Matthews                     [e-mail]            Ham radio:
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Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507      910-759-6142   (FAX)


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From: [e-mail] (greek)
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Subject: Kermit changed the file name from lower case to upper case, why???
Date: 22 Sep 1994 21:26:37 GMT
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I am using kermit on my linux box.  It changed the file name form lower case to upper case when I download files from remote host.  Any ideas?  How can I prevent this?  Thanks!

    -Joan


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From: [e-mail] (Richard Kooijman)
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Subject: Re: Computer hangs when line is dropped.
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>> On my old system (286, EMS, 16550A) this worked perfect. On my
>> new system (486, PCI, EMM386, 16550A) the computer hangs as soon
>> as the line is dropped after filling in all info.
>>
>This kind of thing is most typically caused by a system peculiarity:

> . Noisy bus.

As I said two other comm programs have absolutely no troubles using this
setup: Linux (minicom to be precise) and Terminate.

> . A TSR that is grabbing interrupts that Kermit is supposed to see;
>   unload all your TSRs, drivers, etc, to isolate the problem.

Done that, and again, other programs do work.

> . A buggy modem.  Many internal modems have been known to cause this
>   kind of behavior -- please read the KERMIT.BWR file.

I still have the external modem, the same as with the old system.

>Also, be sure you are using the current version of Kermit, 3.13, at
>the current patch level, which is 21.

Used that one.

The symptoms I experience are the same as those reported in another follow-up
to my questions:
    1. Sometimes the computer locks immediately when Kermit starts
    2. But more often it hangs when the line is dropped by the modem

BTW although I have a PCI system, the multi-i/o card is 16-bit ISA.


Richard.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7
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In article <35qjl6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Monty) writes:
> Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but
> it was never answered:  Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP
> packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13?
>
> I load the packet driver with this command:
>
> C:\SLIP8250>slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 57600
>
> After successfully connecting to the remote SLIP server, I escape back to
> the MS-Kermit prompt and do this:
>
> MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com
> MS-Kermit>connect
> Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
>  Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting
> ?Cannot start the connection.
> MS-Kermit>
>
> I can, at this point, quit MS-Kermit, unload the SLIP8250 version 11.7
> driver, load SLIP8250 version 9.6, re-invoke MS-Kermit, then establish a
> TCP/IP connection without any problem.  What's different about the newer
> version of the packet driver?  I'd like to be able to use it instead of
> the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from
> memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability.
------------
    Ok, folks. I have the answer to the puzzle. SLIP8250.COM v11.x is
broken compared to earlier releases. In particular it fails to support
the request to obtain a hardware/MAC address. Older versions said none,
but no error, for slip. The v11.7 code does not seem to even want to
discuss the matter and returns an error for the function request.
    Kermit sees the error response and bails out.
    Suggestions and workarounds. For the moment I suggest one of:
    - trying Etherslip, which makes an Ethernet framed pkt to the app
and adds a fake Ethernet address for inquiring apps. I haven't tried v11.x
yet.
    - go back to SLIP8250.COM v9.x (the one without a transmit buffer,
which will be my rewrite to work solidly, see below),
    - wait til we shove MSK v3.14 out the door with a workaround just
written to deal with this Crynwr v11.x problem.

        Etherslip is file ethersl.com. Same core material as my stuff.
I placed a copy of my v9.1 SLIP8250.COM program in directory kermit
on netlab2.usu.edu in case you can't find a pre-v11.x copy. I don't
want to mix this with the v11.x archive for obvious reasons.
    Joe D.
P.S. Russ: let's unbreak SLIP8250 please. Tnx.

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From: [e-mail] (Jianqing Hu)
Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped)
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In article <35rc73$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
>>I recently got a new PC. I transferred Kermit and all the scripts
>>it uses from my old to my new system.
>[......]
>[....]
>
>>Are there any known problems with PCI systems, 16550A's and Kermit?
>
>I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a
>new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new
>problems now:
>


Pentium 90 PCI mother board is at its very early stage, so there are a lot
of BIOS or mother board problems.

Your best bet is return to your dealer and ask for a New BIOS or exchange
for a new board.

One of my friend is a PC technician for a local PC store and he told me
this point. He himself bought a system and Windows wouldn't run if there
was a 5.25" floppy drive. He changed the board and the problem is gone.
However , the newer BIOS , the new board still has trouble to send strings
to COM port and as a result, comm program's auto dialer won't work for most
of time and zmodem never works.


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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Veglio)
Subject: Kermit under Telix terminal program
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  I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol
as implemented under Telix V3.15.  This program works well with my system
using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it
does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work.
  I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1
Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out
without transfering anything.
  All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit
is the only protocal supported on the Unix server.

Many Thanks
Andrew
                        _      __
Andrew Veglio                 / \    / /\    [e-mail]
Micro/Electronics Department    / ^ \  / / /                     [phone]
University of Toronto           / ___ \/ / /                         CANADA
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 some of those
require a matching terminating sequence before proceeding, and some can
turn on transparent printing (a favorite way of hanging the machine until
DOS itself finally gives up trying an unavailable printer). Modems ought
not do this, but there we are. To try bypassing the problems, try a) press
ALT =  to reset the terminal emulator, b) issue hangup at the Kermit prompt
to get there first.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Rob Gibson)
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I have never had a problem using kermit with my Intel 400/i.
I have the 400/i set to use com1 and hardware flow control
and I have kermit set to use RTS/CTS flow control.
--
Rob Gibson   ARPA: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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>
>From: [e-mail] (Jim Monty)
>
>Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but
>it was never answered:  Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP
>packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13?
>
>I load the packet driver with this command:
>
>C:\SLIP8250>slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 57600
>
>After successfully connecting to the remote SLIP server, I escape back to
>the MS-Kermit prompt and do this:
>
>MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com
>MS-Kermit>connect
>Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
> Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting
>?Cannot start the connection.
>MS-Kermit>
>
>I can, at this point, quit MS-Kermit, unload the SLIP8250 version 11.7
>driver, load SLIP8250 version 9.6, re-invoke MS-Kermit, then establish a
>TCP/IP connection without any problem.  What's different about the newer
>version of the packet driver?  I'd like to be able to use it instead of
>the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from
>memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability.
>
>Is there a SLIP packet driver available that's any better than SLIP8250
>and works well with MS-Kermit 3.13?
>
>And, in case anyone cares, I just started using MS-Kermit and have fallen
>in love with it!  The VT-series terminal emulation is unsurpassed, and the
>built-in TCP/IP ``stack'' (is that the right lingo?) has enabled me to
>access the Internet via a SLIP connection from a wimpy i80386SX machine
>with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive that doesn't ``do'' Microsoft
>Windows.  The contributions to this news groups by Mr. da Cruz are superb,
>as well.
>
>Thanks for your help.
>Jim Monty
>[e-mail]
-----------
    I may have to reissue the SLIP8250 Packet Driver I wrote and then
someone modified for the latest Crynwr release. What I did worked fine
here. But I have received reports from others that the latest Crynwr edition
has troubles. We will have to see how to offer my item without introducing
confusion in the PD arena. [Russ, if you are reading this lets get together
and solve the problem.]
        Joe D.


tart Kermit under Windows (WfW3.11), and independent
>of COM2Fifo=0/1 in system.ini. It also happens when I use Win-Kermit
>(Win100) instead (although, due to the maximal block length 96, the chances
>of getting the entire file before reaching the max retries limit are
>better).

    Windows Kermit is embarassing to everyone. May we please suggest
that you get what we refer to as "the real thing", MS-DOS Kermit? MSK
runs nicely in Windows, even though it is a Windows-aware DOS program.

>So, I also would like to hear if there are known problems with PCI,
>16550A and Kermit.

    The big square chip simulating 16550As on some Pentium machines,
SMC FDC37C665 UART, definitly has problems. Some vendors are issuing
special programs to clear the chip after a boot. MSK v3.14 does pretty
much the same job transparently, which you will see when MSK 3.14 comes out.
    Joe D.

>Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
>Department of Education                       Phone :     [phone]
>Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     [phone]
>85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY




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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability
Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:43:34 GMT
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In article <35qtj3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
writes:
> : zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user.
> Agreed.  Kermit is not for the turnkey user, unless the user is
> unusually patient.  Creating the three-line ".kermrc" file is
> essential for reasonable throughput with kermit.
>
Matter of preference.  If by "turnkey user" you mean somebody who wants a
file transfer to either be fast or else fail, you're right.  On the other
hand, if a turnkey user is someone who wants a transfer to work out of the
box, even if it is slow, then I'd say Kermit is the ticket.

This is an old and neverending debate and there's no right or wrong.
In many situations, Zmodem is just fine -- particularly in the BBS world
where one does not find the many obstructions that exist on mainframes
and minicomputers, networks, and so on.  It works out of the box, and goes
fast.  But as soon as you bring multiuser computers, terminal servers,
networks, PADs, IBM mainframes, and assorted other factors besides just
two PCs and two modems into the picture, users have to do just as much
tuning to get Zmodem to work as Kermit users have to do to get Kermit --
which already works in these environments -- to go fast.

It's not worth arguing about.  When there are variables -- like word size,
packet length, window size, etc -- they must have defaults.  If you don't
like the defaults, you can change them.  This applies equally to Kermit and
to Zmodem.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit changed the file name from lower case to upper case, why???
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In article <35ssqd$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (greek) writes:
> I am using kermit on my linux box.  It changed the file name form lower
> case to upper case when I download files from remote host.  Any ideas?
> How can I prevent this?  Thanks!
>
Read in the documentation about the SET FILE NAMES command.

By default, Kermit converts filenames into an innocuous "canonical" form
during transfer, so as not to upset receiving systems that might not
support lowercase letters, multiple dots, wierd punctuation, etc.  If you
don't want Kermit to do that, simply tell it not to.

You already must have done something with the file names, because UNIX
C-Kermit (including Linux), unless you tell it otherwise, converts the
incoming "canonical form" (uppercase) filenme back to lowercase.

So if you had not messed with the defaults, you probably would not have
wound up with uppercase filenames.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit under Telix terminal program
Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:50:37 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Andrew
Veglio) writes:
>   I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol
> as implemented under Telix V3.15.  This program works well with my system
> using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it
> does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work.
>   I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1
> Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out
> without transfering anything.
>   All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit
> is the only protocal supported on the Unix server.
>
Try MS-DOS Kermit instead of Telix.  If it works and Telix doesn't, then
report the problem to the Telix people.

If MS-DOS Kermit doesn't work either, then report it to [e-mail]
and we'll be glad to help.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: man page for kermit?
Date: 23 Sep 1994 14:53:53 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ramon F Herrera) writes:
> Is there a man page for kermit somewhere??
>
Since you say "man page", you are probably referring to UNIX C-Kermit?
Of course there's a man page.  It comes with C-Kermit.  If you ordered
it from us on tape or cartridge, it's there with all the other files.
If you ftp'd the ckuXXX.tar.Z file, it's in the tar archive.  The name
of the man page file is ckuker.nr.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <35sr7b$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, Will Estes <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> >: I use cisco terminal servers, and have a modempool setup on the
> >: cs500. I am sure other terminal servers are perfectly capable of
> >: doing the same.
> >: Anyone can telnet to the IP address and gets the next modem in the
> >: rotary.
> >So how would this help to redirect COM1 on a DOS or Windows machine
> >to the modem pool?
>
> ...  Under DOS you could run ms-kermit over
> a packet driver and telnet to the modem's IP address, then chat with
> the modem to dial out.  A little extra work but since kermit's dialers
> are done with scripts anyway you could hide it all if you want.
>
Yup.  Also, C-Kermit (for UNIX, OS/2, VMS, AOS/VS, and Stratus VOS) supports
this too, in a very natural way.  First you "set host" to the terminal
server, then you "set modem" to the appropriate modem type, and then you
dial.  Real easy.  See "Using C-Kermit", Chapter 3, especially p.74, for
further details.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Lowey)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem?
Date: 23 Sep 1994 01:12:59 GMT
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John Chandler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Steven Patrick Iltis ([e-mail]) wrote:

: : Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit?

: No, they are different protocols.

True, they are different protocols, but it is also true that you can use
rz and sz with kermit, if you use an external Zmodem program like DSZ
(for DOS).

I use the OS/2 kermit, and an external SZ and RZ program. I start SZ
going on the unix box, escape back to kermit, start the "rz" program
running, and download my files. I can also go the other way.

I never use the Kermit protocol for downloading any more. I just use the
Kermit program for the excellent terminal emulation.

: : If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest
: : transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a
: : 14.4 modem.

: 1200 cps = 12,000 bps.  That's not bad for a 14,400-bps modem.

I have the 16550an uart in my computer, and use OS/2 2.11, and OS/2
versions of Kermit and external Zmodem protocols. My Zyxel modem is
locked at 57600bps between the modem and my serial port. I have a 486/33 cpu.

When I transfer pre-compressed .ZIP files between two 19200bps Zyxel
modems, I consistantly get 2222cps. Even when running tasks in other windows.

When my Zyxel connects to a slower 14400bps modem, I usually get about
1550cps on .ZIP files.

Of course, all bets are off on text files. I've had some that have gone
at up to 7000cps.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Ramin Farzaneh)
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Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped)
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[e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:

>I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a
>new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new
>problems now:

>(1) Sometimes, but not very often, when I first start Kermit, the system
>hangs, and the Ctrl-Alt-Del would not help. I guess this non-stable error
>happens when Kermit analyses the Comm-Port. With my two former PCs I
>already observed that Kermit *sometimes* (not very often) cannot correctly
>initialize the Comm Port, with a message like "wrong hardware found for
>port" or something similar. After exiting Kermit and restarting it for a
>2nd, sometimes third, time everything would work fine.
[...]

>So, I also would like to hear if there are known problems with PCI,
>16550A and Kermit.

I have a 486 DX2/66 with VESA local bus and 16550A UARTS, and I have
the exact same problem.  I don't think it's Kermit's fault though, as
I have seen it happen with other programs that access the COM ports (
including MSD).  I have noticed two things:

(1)  It happens less often if I don't load the dreaded EMM386 memory
     manager.  I don't use this "thing" when I use Kermit and/or
     Windows.

(2)  It is *much* more likely to happen if I turn the modem on after
     the computer has finished booting, or if I turn the modem on
     and off at any other time. So now I first turn on my modem (an
     external USR Sportster 14.4K) then boot the computer, and only
     turn the modem off at the end of the day.


I'd like to hear more about this matter, but I'm not sure this is
the proper newsgroup for it.

Cheers,
Ramin

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit changed the file name from lower case to upper case, why???
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[e-mail] (greek) writes:

>I am using kermit on my linux box.  It changed the file name form lower case to upper case when I download files from remote host.  Any ideas?  How can I prevent this?  Thanks!

>    -Joan

Using C-Kermit, Frank DaCruz, 1993, Digital Press, page 114:
   SET FILE NAMES LITERAL
Is probably also mentioned in the .hlp files with the Kermit distribution
(ftp kermit.columbia.edu).
Check also out the command:
   SET ATTRIBUTES ON

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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
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Bjorn Kihlberg ([e-mail]) wrote:
: John Chandler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : Steven Patrick Iltis ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I am myself forced (:-)) to use kermit instead of rz/sz and would love to get
: the same througput. What is the major obstruction? Packet length?

You need to tune the parameters according to the type of connection.  Yes,
set the packet length to a thousand or two, enable sliding windows, and
turn off flow control if you can get away without it.  If you have binary
files to transfer (but, then, you wouldn't likely get any compression out
of the modem!), you need to set up for 8-bit transmission if possible and
also to suppress prefixing for as many control characters as you can.
Obviously, the 8-bit consideration also applies if you have text files
with extended character sets.

--
John F. Chandler             [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit under Telix terminal program
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[e-mail] (Andrew Veglio) writes:

>  I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol
>as implemented under Telix V3.15.  This program works well with my system
>using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it
>does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work.
>  I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1
>Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out
>without transfering anything.
>  All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit
>is the only protocal supported on the Unix server.

IMHO it doesn't make any sense to run the Kermit file transfer
protocol under Telix. Just use Kermit INSTEAD of Telix. So far,
I have only heard of people that think Kermit file transfer
is slow (not true) and therefore want to run zmodem under Kermit.

Your 7E1 connection is exactly the reason why Kermit was invented in the
first place. Don't even think of downloading binary data with X/Y/Zmodem.

--Roland
email: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Redialing, Divide overflow error
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In article <35sceh$dgt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dwight Hugget) writes:
>
> I running kermit on my PC and I've tweaked the number of redial attempts
> from the default to a high number (500 to be exact). I did this b/c
> my local access number is usually busy so it's easier to keep trying.
> I usually get connected after having some coffee or midnight snack.
                              ^^^^^^^^------- Hmmm
> I get a divide overflow after a varying number of attempts.
> Any idea why???? I'll include a segment of my dialing script:
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> :BEGIN            ; Now DIAL.
> clear          ; Clear INPUT buffer.
> ;***********************************
> ;*lets  stretch out the retry count*
> ;***********************************
> ;set count 5                     ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed.
> set count 500        ; my count
> echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait...
> echo
> pause 1
> goto dial                       ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message
>
> :REDIAL
> ;set alarm 30
> ;pause 30       ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing.
> ;****************************************
> ;*lets be quicker about redials an so on*
> ;*alarm and pause number should be =    *
> ;****************************************
> set alarm 3
> pause 3
> if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.}
> echo Redialing...               ; Message for redialing.
> pause 1
> --------------------------------------------------------------
------
    I am going to guess the timer stuff spanned midnight and the time
of day calculations failed (INPUT has a divide when converting seconds to
HHMMSS stuff in t
e code). I am NOT going to sit up til midnight to find
out, thankyouverymuch. But I will inspect the code and try to catch the
difficulty.
    Just as a general warning, timers crossing midnight are going
to lead to confusion because I don't try to carry a day number around in
the code (it's expensive). I do try to follow the great circle path, but
it may not be foolproof everywhere.
    Workaround: let's both get some sleep.
    Thanks for the "timely" remark since MSK 3.14 would have the
same problem.
    Joe D.

P.S. Another generality. It helps us a lot to know the version number of
the Kermit you are using (on both ends if that's the case). Please add
that information to your queries.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit with FOSSIL
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In article <35s0u8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh) writes:
> I currently use David Nugent's BNU 1.70 FOSSIL driver at home
> with Binkleyterm, BGFAX and MS-Kermit, using the command line:
>
>   Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2
>
> MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to
> work with BNU loaded on COM2:.
>
> Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way?
-------------
    If it works then the answer is no problem. Be sure to tell MSK
to use a BIOS serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1..4) rather than the hardware
port (COMx) so there will be no bus wars about hardware ownership. Your
example suggests that you told Kermit to use the hardware, which it is
able to do better than Fossil drivers. Since MSK tries to restore hardware
to its pre-use state (but leaves DTR high and the speed where Kermit last
used it, etc) you probably got away with stealing the port from BNU; no
guarantees that this always works.
    The BNU docs should say that all applications should use it via
Bios serial port Int 14h functions. I don't know if they do.
    Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Pentia, Windows Kermit, etc
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> I have checked for IRQ-conflicts. However, hoping that I'm not unduly
> ignorant in that matter, could you, Joe, please expand on what one can
> do to check on "excessiv bus speed on the serial stuff". I've looked around
> in the CMOS setting and only found that the PCI bus is tacted at 8Mhz,
> not 10, is this relevant here?
    That's relevant. The "standard" bus speed is 8.33MHz, and above
it all bets are off. Wait states are tweakable on some systems, and
maybe ought not to be. DMA transfer details can hog the bus if you have
a bus master board which uses that method (SCSI boards for example, and
sound boards).

> I'm using MS-Kermit 3.13 and C-Kermit 5A; "direct" serial connection to
> the distant Unix-server. And, to repeat, I get exessive numbers of retries
> only with 19200 Baud (not with 9600 Baud), only with binary files (not
> with text files, independent of transfer mode), and only when downloading
> files. With my former 486-66 PC I did not have that problem. Probably it
> isn't Kermit's fault, since WinKermit is affected as well (sorry, just
> forgot not to mention it again :)), but maybe there is a workaround.
    It still looks like a flow control problem to me, or a disk cache
program effect (dumping its accumlation and taking its sweet time about
it). But there could be something strange on the Unix side which echos
XON/XOFF back to the DOS machine right in the middle of other bytes.
The way I do first tier diagnosis is by recording a packet log on both
ends and then wading through it looking for hints. That's the LOG PACKET
command.
    If you have control codes unprefixed then that is a nice opening
for systems to play with the data stream. If you have a terminal server
or other piece of electronics in the path then that may need inspection
for byte-greed too.
        Joe D.

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The subject says it all. Anyone have a dialing script for this neast?

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From: [e-mail] (Volker Heun)
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Hello,

does anybody know how to configure MSKERMIT such that  Kermit use IRQ 5
on COM3 instead of IRQ 4??
I'am using MSKERMIT Version 3.13
Thanks in advance

Volker
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From: [e-mail] (John DeGood)
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Ramin Farzaneh ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
: >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a
: >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new
: >problems now:
:
: >(1) Sometimes, but not very often, when I first start Kermit, the system
: >hangs, and the Ctrl-Alt-Del would not help. I guess this non-stable error
: >happens when Kermit analyses the Comm-Port.
:
: I have a 486 DX2/66 with VESA local bus and 16550A UARTS, and I have
: the exact same problem.

I have an IBM "Blue Lightning" motherboard (75 MHz clock tripled CPU)
with 16550 UARTs, and Kermit hangs 100% of the time on my system when it
first accesses the COM ports after a poweron.  I've discovered that if I
then do a hardware reset to force a reboot from the hung state that
Kermit runs perfectly until the next time I turn the power off.  If I
use a Windows terminal emulator the COM ports work fine, even the 1st
time after poweron.

I'm glad to see these other postings.  I had assumed this was a race
condition in my motherboard, but it sounds like there may be a race in
kermit's initialization code instead.

John DeGood  [e-mail]
Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site (Wilmington, Delaware)

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[e-mail] (Jianqing Hu) writes:

>Pentium 90 PCI mother board is at its very early stage, so there are a lot
>of BIOS or mother board problems.

First I have a DX2/66 PCI motherboard. Secondly, like Frank, you
overlook two other applications that run perfectly and furthermore
Kermit under Windows does work but it does see the COM ports as a simple
8250 then.
So, I claim that there is a bug in Kermit dealing with 16550a's in pure
DOS under certain circumstances like faster CPU's or higher bus speeds.

While I use Terminate, I can download texts with 65% efficiency of 57600 bps
(v42.bis compression), play and change tracks of audio CD's, let
Terminate warn me through my Soundblaster and use my mouse.
I think that shows that there are no problems with this setup
and that IRQ conflicts are not there.
I get the same perfect results while using minicom under Linux:
expected 65% efficiency of 57600 bps while downloading with ZMODEM.

Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port.
What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand
so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area?


Richard.

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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Joe Doupnik's response to my posting was quite helpful with regard to one
of two problems I'm experiencing with my new Pentium PC, namely, the
reason for system hangs when starting Kermit for the first time after
booting:

>    The big square chip simulating 16550As on some Pentium machines,
>SMC FDC37C665 UART, definitly has problems. Some vendors are issuing
>special programs to clear the chip after a boot. MSK v3.14 does pretty
>much the same job transparently, which you will see when MSK 3.14 comes out.

(msd says I've got a "16650AF" UART, the computer handbook calls
it "SMC665", however)

Regarding the other problem (lots of retries when downloading binary
files with 19200 Baud), what he sayed in the following quote seems
relevant to me:

>Common suggestions include do thoroughly check
>for conflicts and excessive bus speed on the serial stuff. I have no PCI
>system myself so I can not run down the list of bugs in the current crop
>of motherboards.

I have checked for IRQ-conflicts. However, hoping that I'm not unduly
ignorant in that matter, could you, Joe, please expand on what one can
do to check on "excessiv bus speed on the serial stuff". I've looked around
in the CMOS setting and only found that the PCI bus is tacted at 8Mhz,
not 10, is this relevant here?

>    Windows Kermit is embarassing to everyone. May we please suggest
>that you get what we refer to as "the real thing", MS-DOS Kermit? MSK
>runs nicely in Windows, even though it is a Windows-aware DOS program.

I promise never to mention Windows Kermit again! :) (Actually I nearly
only use it in cases when nothing else, e.g. Alt-' (German keyboard!),
helps to clear the Comm port).

I'm using MS-Kermit 3.13 and C-Kermit 5A; "direct" serial connection to
the distant Unix-server. And, to repeat, I get exessive numbers of retries
only with 19200 Baud (not with 9600 Baud), only with binary files (not
with text files, independent of transfer mode), and only when downloading
files. With my former 486-66 PC I did not have that problem. Probably it
isn't Kermit's fault, since WinKermit is affected as well (sorry, just
forgot not to mention it again :)), but maybe there is a workaround.

Thanks for all responses to my question, and also in advance,
Peter
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From: [e-mail] (Quan Nguyen)
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In article <35u5um$[e-mail]>,
Volker Heun <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
>does anybody know how to configure MSKERMIT such that  Kermit use IRQ 5
>on COM3 instead of IRQ 4??

set com3 \x03E8 5
set port 3



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Following-up to my own post, I earlier wrote:
: I have an IBM "Blue Lightning" motherboard (75 MHz clock tripled CPU)
: with 16550 UARTs, and Kermit hangs 100% of the time on my system when it
: first accesses the COM ports after a poweron.  I've discovered that if I
: then do a hardware reset to force a reboot from the hung state that
: Kermit runs perfectly until the next time I turn the power off.  If I
: use a Windows terminal emulator the COM ports work fine, even the 1st
: time after poweron.
:
: I'm glad to see these other postings.  I had assumed this was a race
: condition in my motherboard, but it sounds like there may be a race in
: kermit's initialization code instead.

I just discovered in another posting:

In <[e-mail]> Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
>     There are known bugs with the big square chip simulating 16550As
> on some Pentium systems, and MSK 3.14 (not out) works around them. The bug
> is normally associated with first use of a serial port after a boot.

My system is not Pentium-based, but perhaps "the big square chip" (or
the 16550 cell it contains) is also used on the other motherboards that
have been cited as experiencing kermit hangs on startup?

John DeGood  [e-mail]
Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site (Wilmington, Delaware)

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <35u9p2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Kooijman) writes:
> [e-mail] (Jianqing Hu) writes:
>
>>Pentium 90 PCI mother board is at its very early stage, so there are a lot
>>of BIOS or mother board problems.
>
> First I have a DX2/66 PCI motherboard. Secondly, like Frank, you
> overlook two other applications that run perfectly and furthermore
> Kermit under Windows does work but it does see the COM ports as a simple
> 8250 then.
> So, I claim that there is a bug in Kermit dealing with 16550a's in pure
> DOS under certain circumstances like faster CPU's or higher bus speeds.
    <part omitted>
> Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port.
> What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand
> so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area?
> Richard.
---------
    Kermit's handling of the 16550A chip is fine, has been ever since
the chips came out. But... motherboards and peripherals differ considerably,
and the single word "fail" is too general for me to do much with.
    Please note that Kermit actually safely tests your hardware before
using it, contrary to the "shoot first, ask questions later" technique of many
comms programs. If the test fails then the odds are in favor of something
being peculiar in your machine.
    I ask people to review the extensive material in text file MSKERM.BWR
and open the covers of their machine to ensure things are the way one thinks
they might be (check those jumpers). Watch out for TSRs hitting the ports,
mouse drivers and fax programs included. While I enjoy tinkering with hardware
as much as the next person my crystal ball has a finite range; hence, I can't
diagnose the machine by remote control. That has to be your concern.
        As in all complex situations the path to solutions is simplify
and isolate carefully. Divide and conquer (except when divide overflows).
Ask a friend to be a cross examiner during the process, and don't forget those
sacrifical chickens.
    Joe D.

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Does anybody know what line I have to add to system.ini or win.ini for windows inorder to use com port 4? because if I run telix in windows on com 4. the computer crashes.. There is a special line I'm suppose to add to it inorder to make windows accept communication on com port 4.

plese reply if you know the solution


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In <35ckr8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Cliff Stamp) writes:

>Does anyone know how to tell kermit to redial after a set number
>of rings/busy signals. Right now it is set to around 25 and I would
>like to lower it to 2.
>
>Thanks for your time.
>--
>Cliff Stamp
>[e-mail]
>


Try editing a file named "yourmod.SCR"
where yourmod is your modem name, or model filename

You can edit MSKERMIT.INI to see which file sets your personnel settings
most probably in the end of the file with a statement TAKE 'MYFILE.INI'
where myfile is the file with personnel settings, this file will tell you
which model file it is using.


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From: [e-mail] (Maurizio Codogno)
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Yup, it's not a Kermit-related question but I am fairly sure that a lot of time
ago (6 years?) in the Kermit mailing list someone came out with a BOO.COM file
which was actually sendable via mail because it contained just printable
characters. Could you please send me a copy of it?

ciao, .mau.
--
Maurizio ".mau." Codogno - CSELT UF/DD - Torino - [e-mail]

 Well, you can take it any way you want, ... It's a rock'n'roll symphony,
 and it's gonna be the death of me.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSKERMIT: IRQ5 on port 3
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In article <35u5um$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Volker Heun) writes:
>
> Hello,
>
> does anybody know how to configure MSKERMIT such that  Kermit use IRQ 5
> on COM3 instead of IRQ 4??
> I'am using MSKERMIT Version 3.13
> Thanks in advance
>
> Volker
-----------
    Please read release text file MSKERM.BWR, particularly the section
starting on line 202. SET COMx etc.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jon Forrest)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions
Date: 22 Sep 1994 16:53:17 GMT
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There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup
recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead
of Joe and Frank (and others) wasting their time regurgating
this material, I suggest they simply say "RTFM, document X,
page Y, section Z".

This approach shouldn't apply to questions in which people say
"I've read document X, page Y, section Z and I don't understand
what they mean by ...". People who can't afford to buy the material
that costs money should also be excused.

There is enough to do without helping people who haven't done
their homework.

--
Anything you read here is my opinion and in no way represents the Univ. of Cal.
Jon Forrest WB6EDM     [e-mail]     510-643-6764
377 Soda Hall, Univ. of Cal., Berkeley, CA. 94720-1776

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From: [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer)
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Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions
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In article <35scpt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jon Forrest) writes:
> There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup
> recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead
> of Joe and Frank (and others) wasting their time regurgating
> this material, I suggest they simply say "RTFM, document X,

    snip....

maybe we could build a FAQ???

Good point, Jon....

Jim

         /^^^\   \ /   Jim Agnew         | [e-mail]  (Internet)
        /      >  ||   Neurosurgery,     | AGNEW@VCUVAX        (Bitnet)
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 /________________>    Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds.  Good luck, Jim..."
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From: [e-mail] (puma)
Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem?
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In article <35lkoa$[e-mail]>,
Roland Kwee <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Steven Patrick Iltis) writes:
>
>>Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit?
>> with Kermit ... , I can only get about 1200 cps on a
>>14.4 modem.
>
>This is an old discussion. In short, why do you think zmodem will do
>better than Kermit? Your throughput is already 83 %, and could
>THEORETICALLY only improve 17 %. However, the bottleneck may not be
>Kermit, but your UART, the host computer, line noise, etc, all
>factors that will also slow down zmodem.


1200 is not 83% of available.
The modem strips the start and stop bits, and sends the data between
modems in synchronous mode.  The potential throughput is actually
10*14400/8, which is 1800 cps.

Now, you have to include bytes for controls, command exchanges between
the modems, block start and stop, CRCs, all of which reduce the space
available for 'real' data.  Using Ymodem-G, which doesn't wait between
blocks for ack's, I usually get about 1650 to 1680 cps on zip files,
which are not really compressible, and much more on text files or
.exe files which contain large areas of blanks or zeroes.  That
improvement, however, is due to the compression.


--
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped)
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In article <35uqqf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John DeGood) writes:
> Ramin Farzaneh ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
> : >I also changed from my old (486, VESA, no 16550A, no ethernet card) to a
> : >new PC (Pentium PCI system with 16550A, ethernet card) and also have 2 new
> : >problems now:
> I have an IBM "Blue Lightning" motherboard (75 MHz clock tripled CPU)
> with 16550 UARTs, and Kermit hangs 100% of the time on my system when it
> first accesses the COM ports after a poweron.  I've discovered that if I
> then do a hardware reset to force a reboot from the hung state that
> Kermit runs perfectly until the next time I turn the power off.  If I
> use a Windows terminal emulator the COM ports work fine, even the 1st
> time after poweron.
>
> I'm glad to see these other postings.  I had assumed this was a race
> condition in my motherboard, but it sounds like there may be a race in
> kermit's initialization code instead.
>
> John DeGood  [e-mail]
> Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site (Wilmington, Delaware)
-----------

    For the third or fourth time let me spell this out for you rich
guys with shinny new toys.
    There is a known chip design problem in at least one big square chip,
SMC FDC37C665 UART simulator. That item hangs comms programs if the chip is
not cleared somehow from the mess it creates for itself during system power
on. I don't know if the mistake has occurred in other chips, but it would
not surprize me (cellular designs sold here and there to other foundries).
    Various vendors have been posting notices about fixup programs for
their machines. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 has its own code to do the fixup too,
and external reports say it works fine.
    Now this does not exclude other motherboard design mistakes which
may mess up things across the bus. There is abundant historical precedent
for them especially when an older design is stretched to new speeds. MSK
3.14 tries very hard to dodge potential goofs of this kind, but the hardware
guys are very sharp and keep inventing new ones. Users of internal modems
should assume that the firmware in their units are equally or more susceptible
to modem design mistakes of varying magnitude.
    MSK 3.13 is more vulnerable to this stuff, simply because it's a
little older and did not have the hardware test base which is now available.
When 3.14 comes out for beta I hope you fellas will pound on it and let me
know what's wrong in as much detail as you can.
    Thanks,
    Joe D.


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From: [e-mail] (Ramin Farzaneh)
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[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>In article <35uqqf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (John DeGood) writes:
>> Ramin Farzaneh ([e-mail]) wrote:
[stuff deleted]

>    For the third or fourth time let me spell this out for you rich
>guys with shinny new toys.
[...]
>    Joe D.

Having a bad day Joe?  My name appeared in this post even though none
of the stuff quoted was mine.  Still I don't see why you have to be
so rude.  For the record I am not rich and I don't have a shinny (sic)
toy.  Please control your tone in the future.

Have a nice day,
Ramin


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions
Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:00:56 GMT
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In article <35scpt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jon
Forrest) writes:
> There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup
> recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead
> of Joe and Frank (and others) wasting their time regurgating
> this material, I suggest they simply say "RTFM, document X,
> page Y, section Z".
>
> This approach shouldn't apply to questions in which people say
> "I've read document X, page Y, section Z and I don't understand
> what they mean by ...". People who can't afford to buy the material
> that costs money should also be excused.
>
> There is enough to do without helping people who haven't done
> their homework.
>
Thank you, Jon.  We (Kermit developers) don't mind responding to queries
about new stuff, items that aren't clear from the documentation, etc, but
yes, people who use Kermit software a lot are heartily encouraged to
purchase the documentation because:

 1. It's not that expensive.

 2. It will answer most of your questions -- we put a lot of work into
    it -- hundreds of examples, step-by-step instructions, illustrations,
    tables, appendices, tutorials, glossaries, a comprehensive index.

 3. It relieves the load on the network.

 4. It frees up time of Kermit developers and tech support people to do
    more development and tech support.

 5. Most important of all, income from the sales of Kermit manuals is
    the primary source of income that funds the Kermit effort.

                           KERMIT BOOK LIST

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MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and
compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in:

    Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
    IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.  In computer
    and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from
    Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette,
    including German- language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W.
    Selke.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.

And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme
    edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.
    Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2,
    and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean
    Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.

There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the
NEC PC9801:

    Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today
    Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages.
    ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E.

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C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2,
AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is
documented in:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-108-0.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und
    Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).  ISBN
    3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.

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The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book,
which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data
communications, and using Kermit:

    Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press /
    Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN
    0-932376-88-6.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating
systems is available from Columbia University.  Contact Columbia for a
free Kermit software catalog.


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                                 HOW TO ORDER

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

   1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher,
      Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or
      American Express:

          [phone]     (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada)
          [phone]       (Rushden, England office for Europe)
          [phone]     (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ)
          [phone]        (Singapore office for Asia)

   2. From Columbia University:

          Kermit Development and Distribution
          Columbia University Academic Information Systems
          612 West 115th Street
          New York, NY  10025  USA
          Tel.  [phone]
          Fax.  [phone]
          E-Mail: [e-mail]

      Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Add $5 US for shipping
      outside of North America.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
      Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for
      checks not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not
      include sales tax.  Quantity discounts are available.
      Single-copy US prices (in US dollars):

          Using MS-DOS Kermit  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95
          All three  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

        MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00
        C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00

        Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG
        Helstorfer Strasse 7
        D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY
        Tel.  [phone]
        Fax.  [phone]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

FRENCH:  Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi:  . . . . . . . . . . .  FF 495,00

        Heinz Schiefer & Cie.
        45 rue Henri de Regnier
        F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE
        Tel.  [phone]
        Fax.  [phone]

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JAPANESE:  MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  1,800 Y

        Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd.
        Abe-toku Building
        2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku
        Tokyo 101, JAPAN
        Tel.  [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: BOO bootstrap
Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:03:52 GMT
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In article <35uthu$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Maurizio Codogno) writes:
> Yup, it's not a Kermit-related question but I am fairly sure that a lot
> of time ago (6 years?) in the Kermit mailing list someone came out with
> a BOO.COM file which was actually sendable via mail because it contained
> just printable characters. Could you please send me a copy of it?
>
Amazing, but true:
---(cut here)---
XPHPD[0GG0G,0G51G31GB'(G+(G:u'0g?(G>(GE1G@arwIV_F*=US@<1|_,5wXNg-7muTu(4
1m2?352t0osr2e3K1q2s0s3e0W1_F0:sss1@2G0t1k0s3p0@3T1m3>52f3>1k0t3<2C0@3T2
K1g2?0@3T1Fm3U51g3<1q0s3:0@3T1g3r1l0ts1>0I@3T1m3i52e0O2;h0L1_Eg352s0m3S2
j0W1g3of0<1;2?0r1m0s3:1>0m@3T2e0R1FH2E1m0s3:1>0B3^0=2g3=1g3s0@3T2e0@3^1t
2e0<1>0m1m0s361>0e1l0s371g3r1:0P@3T1:0P2e1hDk0s3q0V1F2M1_3_c2o3Z1=0Y1=0c
2s0o2Ag3H0CSCS1:0=F[1:0=2s0]352k0t1]2s0U390^3<1KL2D1Dc0sf1]2L0UE^1T2HfTZ
X3mS2@F5C6G3S2Y\_X3a25BB3W2HacTV^\aZ3S2gb3S2Y\_X3mSW28eebe3S2Whe\aZ3S2Y\
_X3S2<3b2B3W2Abg3S2XabhZ[3S2`X`bel3W4
---(cut)---

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From: [e-mail] (Karl Gaissmaier)
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Subject: HELP: kermit stops upload binary files over two telnet connections
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--

Hello kermit wizards,

kermit hangs if i try do upload binary files over two telnet connections:

(kermit) host1 --(telnet)--> host2 -- (telnet) --> host3 (kermit server)

if i try to UPLOAD a BINARY file from host1 to host3, kermit stops with
to much retransmissions. I have no problems with ascii files or
DOWNLOADING binary files.

Any hints?

Please don't ask me, why i didn't direct telnet from host1 to host3,
in my special case it is necessary:

PC --(modem)--terminalserver--(telnet)--gatehost--(telnet)--desthost


i tried to track down the problem with our Sniffer, but i have no
kermit protocol definition and i can't see any strange things in
the sniffer dump. Therefore my next questions:

How can i get the kermit protocol definition?
How can i get the zmodem protocol definition?

thanks in advance for any help
    Charly

PS: by the way, i use the following version on all unix boxes:

C-Kermit>sh version

Versions:

 C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93
 Numeric: 501189
 UNIX Communications support, 5A(110), 26 Jun 93 for 4.2 BSD
 UNIX File support, 5A(074) 11 Jun 93 for 4.2 BSD
 C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(055), 4 Jun 93
 C-Kermit functions, 5A(089) 11 Jun 93
 Command package 5A(053), 21 Nov 92
 User Interface 5A(103), 26 Jun 93
 Character Set Translation 5A(020), 2 May 93
 CONNECT Command for UNIX, 5A(054) 26 May 93
 Dial Command, 5A(050) 26 Jun 93
 Script Command, 5A(016) 26 Jun 93
 Network support, 5A(019) 8 Jun 93

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Karl Gaissmaier                        Telefon: (Germany) +49 731/5022499
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: kermit stops upload binary files over two telnet connections
Date: 24 Sep 1994 16:31:06 GMT
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In article <361ipm$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Karl Gaissmaier) writes:
> kermit hangs if i try do upload binary files over two telnet connections:
>
> (kermit) host1 --(telnet)--> host2 -- (telnet) --> host3 (kermit server)
>
> if i try to UPLOAD a BINARY file from host1 to host3, kermit stops with
> to much retransmissions. I have no problems with ascii files or
> DOWNLOADING binary files.
>
The usual one:

  SET PARITY SPACE

and turn off any control-character unprefixing.  Of course, you can unprefix
whatever control characters are safe, but it's always best to start off
without it.  Control characters are prefixed by default for a reason!

> Please don't ask me, why i didn't direct telnet from host1 to host3,
> in my special case it is necessary:
>
> PC --(modem)--terminalserver--(telnet)--gatehost--(telnet)--desthost
>
Here's another idea for you -- it might work better than Telnet, provided
your Telnet servers are 8-bit clean:

Use C-Kermit instead of Telnet on the gatehost, and tell it to:

  SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
  SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
  SET PARITY NONE
  SET FLOW-CONTROL NONE
  CONNECT

Make sure you are using C-Kermit 5A(190) here, because it is WAY more
efficient in this situation (in CONNECT mode between two other hosts that
are transferring files) than earlier releases.

To avoid confusion about which Kermit you are escaping back to, use SET
ESCAPE to set different escape characters on the different Kermit programs.

> [I'm using] C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93
>
C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu
directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Adam H. Lewenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: FILE COLLISION UPDATE and file access times
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I think I have figured it out.

I was still having troubles with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE
setting. Files that were clearly newer on my home machine than the
files on the destination machine were being refused because of the
date. As I discovered, although the files on the destination machine
had an older last-wrote date, they had a newer last accessed-date. So,
for whatever reason, kermit is refusing to overwrite any file that has
a more recent last-accessed date.

This can't be what people want.



Here are the details:

home computer:
   C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit  Numeric:
   501190  with a FAT file system

   DIR ANN3.TEX:
         ANN3.TEX         1332   9-24-94  12:17

destination computer:
   C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, SunOS 4.1 (BSD)

   ls -l ann3.tex:

        -rw-------   1 adam     academic     1293 Sep 24 12:15 ann3.tex

   ls -lu ann3.tex:

        -rw-------   1 adam     academic     1293 Sep 24 12:23 ann3.tex



                     Adam H. Lewenberg [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Microcom AX/9624c mnp class 6 dialing script?
Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:32:14 GMT
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In article <35top1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
writes:
> The subject says it all. Anyone have a dialing script for this neast?
>
None to my knowledge.

I posted a long message about MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts yesterday.

They all follow a basic template.  Writing a dialing script for a new
kind of modem is fairly simple -- you pick a dialing script for a similar
kind of modem, sit down with your modem manual, and replace the modem-
specific commands for setting modulation, flow control, error correction,
compression, etc, with the ones for your modem.

MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts are plain-text files, profusely commented.
They should be very easy to deal with by anybody who knows how to read
a modem manual and use a text editor.

Numerous working scripts are available via anonymous ftp to
kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, text mode, files msm*.*.

Anybody who adapts any of these scripts to a hitherto unsupported modem
is encouraged to send their work back to Columbia (via email to
[e-mail]) to be included in the collection, so that others
may use it too.

- Frank

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Subject: MS-DOS / VMS Transfer Performance
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I thought I would repost this oldie-but-goodie...

In article <s5$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Gregory Perron) writes:
>
> I'm downloading from a vax 4000-90 thru a terminal server of some sort
> to my PC.  14.4's at both ends: I have a cardinal internal; they have
> us robotics.  I get messages of 14.4, lapm, v.42bis, etc.  But,
> downloads have been hideous.
>
> I've given up on sz, because of too many aborted transfers.  I
> *think* the problem is w/ the vax, but I'm not sure.  [I get flawless
> 1600-1650 cps dl's on zipped files from a local bbs] Yes, I tried all
> the -ebrw permutations I could think of.
>
> On to kermit: I use procomm plus/dos 2.01 on my PC.  On the vax,
> ckermit pops up and says:
> Ckermit 5a(188) 23 NOV 92, OpenVMS Vax.
>
You'll get better results with C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, which has two
new features described below.  C-Kermit 5A(189) is available via
anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, get the file
ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.

> My ckermit.ini file has:
> set send pack 1000
>
This command is not needed; see the documentation.

> set receive pack 1000
> set buff 20000 20000
> set file type bin
> set windows 10
> set block 3
>
> Symptoms: max dl cps has been around 1100 for a zipped/jpg/gif file.
> And that's unusual: 950-1050 is more normal. It's almost like I'm
> only at 9600, modem report aside.
>
I can't speak for Procomm, but I ran some tests using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13
(the current version) on a 486/66 over a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis dialup
connection to a Cisco terminal server, and from there to a VAXstation
3100 running VMS 5.x and C-Kermit 5A. The calling modem is a Telebit
T3000, the answering modem is a USR Courier.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
directory kermit/bin, binary mode, file msvibm.zip.

In these tests, I downloaded a 330K ZIP file (MSVIBM.ZIP -- the MS-DOS
Kermit 3.13 distribution).  My serial interface speed was 57600 bps, and
I used RTS/CTS flow control between my PC and the modem, and RTS/CTS was
also active between the answering modem and the terminal server.

In the first test (10 window slots x 1000-byte packets, same settings as
yours), I achieved an effective throughput of 1091 cps, like you got.

Since the connection between the terminal server and VMS is via TCP/IP
TELNET, and we know that TCP and IP will handle the flow control between
the VAX and the terminal server, I told C-Kermit to SET FLOW NONE (its
default setting is XON/XOFF) and ran the test again: 1136 cps.

Now that we've got the basics taken care of, we can work on tuning.
Next I tell C-Kermit to:

  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL
  SET CONTROL PREFIX 1 129 255

(version 5A(189) or later is required for this; see the CKCKER.UPD file
for explanation) -- This removes control-character prefixing overhead
for all but 3 characters (4 really: NUL, Ctrl-A, Ctrl-A plus parity, and
the TELNET IAC character).  Now I get 1549 cps.  Note: control-character
unprefixing is of benefit primarily for precompressed files, secondarily
for uncompressed binaries, and has very little effect at all on text
files.

Well, the PC I was using is one of the new "high-speed, low-cost"
models, and so lacks a buffered UART.  All of the above transfers
suffered various amounts of retransmissions due to UART buffer overruns.
Switching to a much slower PC (a PS/2-70, 15MHz I think) that has a
16550A buffered UART, same transfer, same parameters, the throughput
goes up to 1601 cps.

Now, since I don't have to worry about buffer overruns any more, I
increase Kermit's packet length to 5000 (SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH
5000).  Throughput: 1608 cps.

And now, since this is a precompressed file, I note that neither
Kermit's run-length compression, nor the modem's V.42bis compression
will do any good -- and some would say that they slow things down
a lot.  Let's see.  I turn both off:

  Kermit: SET REPEAT COUNTS OFF (C-Kermit 5A(189) or later required).
  Modem:  ATS190=0 (Telebit T3000)

and download the file again.  Result: 1616 cps.  Not a big difference.

Lessons (most of which apply mainly to this particular type of connection):

 1. Buffered UARTs are better than nonbuffered UARTs.
 2. Be sure to get the flow control right at both ends.
 3. Use long packets (1K - 5K, whatever works) and sliding windows
    (4 or more).
 4. Once you've got all that working optimally, you can squeeze out
    another 20-30% efficiency with control-character unprefixing.
 5. After that, don't bother too much with fine tuning, particularly
    with disabling modem or software compression - it makes very little
    difference.

Please, before we have another flurry of postings from people asking
for the "optimal" list of control characters to be unprefixed, THERE IS
NONE.  Every connection is different, with its own unique characteristics.
Read the documentation.  Ditto for all the other variables we have looked
at here: window size, packet length, flow control, etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FILE COLLISION UPDATE and file access times
Date: 24 Sep 1994 17:41:11 GMT
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In article <361nhf$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Adam H. Lewenberg) writes:
> I was still having troubles with the SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE
> setting. Files that were clearly newer on my home machine than the
> files on the destination machine were being refused because of the
> date. As I discovered, although the files on the destination machine
> had an older last-wrote date, they had a newer last accessed-date. So,
> for whatever reason, kermit is refusing to overwrite any file that has
> a more recent last-accessed date.
> ...
> destination computer:
>    C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
>
Quite correct.  This was a bug in C-Kermit 5A(188), and it was fixed in
5A(189).  If you replace the Kermit version on your Sun by the current
released version, 5A(189), or the soon-to-be-formally-released 5A(190),
which is in the final stages of Beta testing, the problem should (will)
go away.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Chatting with Mac Kermit
Date: 24 Sep 1994 18:06:05 GMT
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> Hi, I am using Kermit on a MacPowerbook 160 with 10megs of ram and a
> Powerport Silver internal modem. I would like to set up a direct link to
> a friend of mine who has a Mac Plus with currently 1meg (plans to
> upgrade to 4) and an external Hayes modem. When I am saying direct link,
> I mean that I like to be able to type something on my screen that would
> then appear on his screen and vice-versa. His wife is deaf and he would
> like to be able to communicate with her long-distance. Can Kermit do
> this?
>
Yes.  One modem must be put in "answer mode", which is not the normal mode
for modems to be in.  This is generally done by giving it a command like:

  ATS0=2

(see your modem manual).  The steps on the answering end would be:

 1. Start Kermit on the Mac.
 2. In Communications Settings, set the appropriate speed.
 3. Type "ats0=2" (and Return) at the modem, in the terminal screen.
 4. In the Terminal Settings screen, set "Auto LF with CR" and "Local Echo"
 5. Wait for a call to come in.

This must be done before a call is placed.

On the calling end:

 1. Start Kermit on the Mac.
 2. In Communications Settings, set the appropriate speed.
 3. Type "atdt" and the phone number, and Return, in the terminal screen.
 4. In the Terminal settings screen, set "Auto LF with CR" and "Local Echo"
 5. Wait for call to be answered.

Now the two parties can chat.  When it's time to hang up, they should:

 1. Do nothing for at least one second.
 2. Type +++ in the terminal screen.
 3. Do nothing for at least one second.
 5. Type ATH0 and then Return, in the terminal screen, to hang up the phone.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Scripted Telnet wanted
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Paul Newman) writes:
> Hi, I'm looking for a program that let's me do some programmatic telnet.
> That is, I'm looking for something like CrossTalk or Procomm (on PCs)
> except that I want it to use telnet for transport.  I want to send a
> command and look at the response programmatically, maybe with a shell
> like language, and then send another command based on the response.
>
C-Kermit 5A.  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu.  The current version
is 5A(189):

  kermit/bin/cku189.tar.Z

Version 5A(190) is in Beta test; I'd encourage you to try it instead:

  kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip)

It has a full-blown script programming language that does exactly what
you want, and also includes control structures (IF, WHILE, etc), variables,
arrays, built-in functions for string manipulation, access to all kinds
of system information (hostname, date, time, etc etc), and so on.

Since C-Kermit works not only on TCP/IP TELNET connections, but also
serial connections and (in certain implementations) also X.25, DECnet,
NETBIOS, and other types of connections, you have a single communication
software package that lets you automate all of your communications tasks
in a consistent way.

Furthermore, the script programs you write for C-Kermit on SunOS are
portable to any other UNIX variety as well as to all the other operating
systems where C-Kermit runs: VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, etc etc.

Furthermore, C-Kermit's script programming language is highly (though
not totally) compatible with MS-DOS Kermit's language, and so the same
script programs are also portable to DOS and Windows and to the many
and varied networking methods supported by MS-DOS Kermit.

C-Kermit's script programming language is fully documented in Chapters
11-13 of "Using C-Kermit".  MS-DOS Kermit's script programming language is
fully documented in Chapter 14 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

- Frank

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Im getting this error message when I try to download from a mainframe to my ibm
 at home.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez)
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Subject: When not "set file type binary" always?
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Why not always do "set file type binary"?
Is there any reason to use text mode?
Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files.
(I have the same question regarding ftp.)
Why is there a text mode at all?

--
Jeff Rodriguez

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In article <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]> writes:
> Im getting this error message when I try to download from a mainframe to my ibm
>  at home.
---------
    What program is showing you that message? MS-DOS Kermit does not
display it.
    It means a second byte arrived at the serial port from the outside
before the first byte could be read from the hardware. Flow control is
the solution.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <362e3r$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes:
> Why not always do "set file type binary"?
> Is there any reason to use text mode?
> Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files.
> (I have the same question regarding ftp.)
> Why is there a text mode at all?
>
> --
> Jeff Rodriguez
>
> Electrical & Computer Engineering       [e-mail]
> The University of Arizona               Tel: [phone] or 8963
> Tucson, AZ 85721                        FAX: [phone]
-----------
    Simple example: DOS ends lines in CR/LF, Unix ends text lines in LF,
Macs end lines in CR, and so on.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
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Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>In article <35scpt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jon
>Forrest) writes:
>> There have been an alarming number of questions in this newsgroup
>> recently that are answered in the public litterature. Instead
>>
>Thank you, Jon.  We (Kermit developers) don't mind responding to queries
>about new stuff, items that aren't clear from the documentation, etc, but
>yes, people who use Kermit software a lot are heartily encouraged to
>purchase the documentation because:

(deleted a number of good reasons)

I like to attest to the validity of this point. While I like free software
partly because the price is right, I often feel a strong urge to buy
the accompanying books. In fact, I don't think those books are that
cheap, but spending, say, 70 dollars on the two main Kermit books is still
very cheap compared to paying for a single user license of any other
major software package. Look what you get if you buy two Kermit books:

Two nicely bound manuals that are very readable. They not only describe
the program, but also contain elaborate introductions to telecommunications
and data transmission, as well as to the inner workings of the
software.

This is typical for free software. Look at the books describing the
free TeX text formatter program. They even contain jokes, poems etc.
The books accompanying the free OS and programming language Oberon
are also much more readable than those of, say, Borland or Symantec
(no experience with Microsoft compilers). There is probably no editor
with a more rigorous manual than emacs.

Compare this with what you get for a couple hundred dollars spent at
such companies as Microsoft: totally boring manuals that often fail to
solve the actual problems that someone might have using the programs.
Plus diskettes with the software that you are not allowed to copy at will.

My motto: use free software unless you are sure the more expensive one
is better, and spend a small part of the money thus saved on those fine
books. Then, give away copies of the free software to whoever wants it,
and show those books so that they know they exist.

That's enough advertising for now, I guess.

--Roland
email: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (tom mayo)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Andrew Veglio) writes:
>>   I have been having no luck in transfering files using the Kermit protocol
>> as implemented under Telix V3.15.  This program works well with my system
>> using the other protocols (eg. Zmodem,Xmodem,etc.) but with kermit it
>> does not seem to be abel to talk to the Sun Unix box at work.
>>   I can connect and use Telix terminal mode quite well to operate the 7E1
>> Unix connection, but when I initiate a Kermit transfer Telix times-out
>> without transfering anything.
>>   All help would be appreciated as Telix is quite popular here and Kermit
>> is the only protocal supported on the Unix server.
>>
>> Many Thanks
>> Andrew
>------------
>    Have to guess again. Here goes...
>    Might you have set Even parity just in the modem without telling
>Telix Kermit about it? If so there is a good chance that Telix and the
>remote Kermit negotiate an 8-bit connection and of course your modem chops
>the high bit without informing anyone. If this were true then it would be
>a classical case of "hidden comms boxes" nibbling at the data.
>    MS-DOS Kermit and C Kermit both try to unravel these cases as much
>as possible and may switch to using Even parity during the first packet
>exchange. It's clever. MSK expects the modem to stay out of the useless
>parity game and let Kermit do parity work in software (where there is
>full control and most importantly full knowledge to negotiate the proper
>bit-width during file transfers).
>    My suggestions are to look into these details, tell Telix about
>Even parity, and if things still don't work then also try MS-DOS Kermit
>(it's faster and ...).
>    Joe D.

I have had similar trouble.  I am not fully satisfied that I explored
all avenues, but I did call the Telix support number and from what I
remember, they said that Telix does not support Kermit transfers over
7-bit connections.

I have since switched to MS-DOS Kermit, and have been VERY happy with
it.  It is somewhat of a pain to get running at first, but it is at
least flexible and well-documented.

-Tom

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From: [e-mail] (Nico Garcia)
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Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always?
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In article <362e3r$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes:

   Why not always do "set file type binary"?
   Is there any reason to use text mode?
   Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files.
   (I have the same question regarding ftp.)
   Why is there a text mode at all?

That is an *excellent* question. The answer, for UNIX sys-admins like
me, is that when downloading lengthy text bug-patches and specifically
in downloading .bin files from certain Mac sites, they get corrupted
when downloaded in binary mode where they come over file where they
are fine in test mode.

This is the voice of embarassed experience.

                Nico Garcia
                [e-mail]

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Hi,
Looking for a copy of fdc's book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol"
If anybody has a copy they are not using anymore, drop me a line,

Thanks

blake

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I use MSDOS Kermit on a PC-compatible machine to emulate a VT100 when
connecting (over a modem) to a Sun running Solaris.  I can upload,
download, and "transparent print" without problem.  When logged on to the
Sun, I use tn3270 to connect to an IBM mainframe running VM/CMS.  As an
alternative route to the IBM mainframe, I can use MSDOS Kermit to dial up
through a 7171 protocol emulator.  I have no problem using Kermit to
upload, download, or transparent print when I use the ALTERNATIVE route to
the IBM mainframe (i.e., dialing up through the 7171).  However, when
using the tn3270 route (which of course bypasses the 7171), I cannot
upload, download or transparent print.  Speculatively, it appears that
escape sequences are not being properly passed to the Sun (and therefore
to my PC), so (for example) the PC Kermit does not know that it needs to
pass subsequent characters through to the printer.  Does anyone have a
suggestion about how I can remediate this problem (...or, if this is the
incorrect forum for such a question, where it might be properly
raised...)?  Thanks.


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: kermit stops upload binary files over two telnet connections
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In article <361ipm$[e-mail]>,
Karl Gaissmaier <[e-mail]> wrote:
>--
>
>Hello kermit wizards,
>
>kermit hangs if i try do upload binary files over two telnet connections:
>
>(kermit) host1 --(telnet)--> host2 -- (telnet) --> host3 (kermit server)
>
>if i try to UPLOAD a BINARY file from host1 to host3, kermit stops with
>to much retransmissions. I have no problems with ascii files or
>DOWNLOADING binary files.
>
>Any hints?


Try using small packets and no sliding windows.  If that works, then it is
a flow control problem somewhere between host1 and host3.

If it doesn't work, see where you are after the timeout errors.  Are you
still logged into host3, or are you on host2?  Make sure that all control
characters with special meanings are prefixed.

What version of Kermit are you using on the PC?

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit hangs on newer machines - what is loaded high?
Date: 25 Sep 1994 18:15:21 GMT
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For those of you who have benn reporting problems with MS-DOS Kermit on
newer machines, I have one important question:

What software do you have loaded high and what version of DOS are you using?

I have noticed significant problems with MS-DOS and IBM PC-DOS versions
6.x which loading EMM386.EXE.  And then loading programs which affect timers
into high memory.  Example programs include MOUSE.COM and SMARTDRV.EXE.

The problems affect Token ring drivers, and serial devices which rely on
timers and interrupt driven I/O.

I believe the problems are causes by the need to switch from Real mode to
protected mode in order to access the high memory safely.

For a simple test, boot off of a DOS diskette without EMM386 being loaded
and try out MS-DOS Kermit.  And then report back the results, it would not
surprise me if MS-DOS Kermit works fine under these conditions.

But until we discover the cause, there is not much that Joe can do the
replicate it since he doesn't have access to the necessary hardware.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Marc Spitzer)
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Subject: where to get kermit and how to useit it?
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Hello,

Where is kermit and how do you use it?  Pointers to ascii docs that i can
ftp are what i would realy like.

System 286 with 640 k herc moniter and st225 hd.

Thanks marc

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From: [e-mail] (Douglas Harvey)
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Subject: a nice kermit icon?
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I am looking for a nice Windows-format icon to use with Kermit.  I've looked
around and found only one (which I didn't like).  Don't you all agree that
the kermit distribution should have an "official" kermit icon?

This is partially in fun, but who <does> have a nice kermit icon?

Doug
--
[e-mail]





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[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>> Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port.
>> What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand
>> so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area?
>> Richard.
>---------
>    Kermit's handling of the 16550A chip is fine, has been ever since
>the chips came out. But... motherboards and peripherals differ considerably,
>and the single word "fail" is too general for me to do much with.
>    Please note that Kermit actually safely tests your hardware before
>using it, contrary to the "shoot first, ask questions later" technique of many
>comms programs. If the test fails then the odds are in favor of something
>being peculiar in your machine.

Yeah right, I have seen this answer before, but Linux and Terminate
have zero, zilch, nada problems dealing with the hardware while Kermit
does have problems dealing with the chips. Maybe, just maybe I should
have said 'my chips' there, since you seem to think Kermit works flawless
with real 16550A's.
Other postings have proved otherwise, however.

>    I ask people to review the extensive material in text file MSKERM.BWR
>and open the covers of their machine to ensure things are the way one thinks
>they might be (check those jumpers). Watch out for TSRs hitting the ports,
>mouse drivers and fax programs included. While I enjoy tinkering with hardware
>as much as the next person my crystal ball has a finite range; hence, I can't
>diagnose the machine by remote control. That has to be your concern.

Sure, but the same (SAME as in equal) setup is OK with Terminate and Linux.
I don't need a crystal ball to tell me that apparently Kermit has a tinsy
little problem and not those other programs.
I have removed all TSR's and such, thank you, I am not a complete newbee.

>        As in all complex situations the path to solutions is simplify
>and isolate carefully. Divide and conquer (except when divide overflows).
>Ask a friend to be a cross examiner during the process, and don't forget those
>sacrifical chickens.

I have found the problem a while ago: MS-Kermit. Sorry, but that is just the
way it is.



Richard.

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    I am using kermit with windows for workgroups.  I seem to get
alot of retry errors when I download files while running under windows,
but when I run kermit straight out of dos I hardly get any.  I prefer to
work under windows so I can work on other programs while downloading..is
there any way I can set some options either in the emm386 area for
windows or does kermit require special comm drivers to communicate with
windows? My connection runs at 19200 and consists of a basic null modem
serial link with Iowa States Prject Vincent.
    Any help as always is greatly appreciated!
email please!











--
Timothy J Flynn
([e-mail])
Fine Arts &
Computer Science
Larch 1349 Cunningham, Ames, Iowa 50013-0008    phone [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <364vot$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Kooijman) writes:
> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>
>>> Kermit, however, fails using a single COM port.
>>> What I didn't try yet was dialing and handling the callback by hand
>>> so circumventing my automatic script. Any know problems in that area?
>>> Richard.
>>---------
>>    Kermit's handling of the 16550A chip is fine, has been ever since
>>the chips came out. But... motherboards and peripherals differ considerably,
>>and the single word "fail" is too general for me to do much with.
>>    Please note that Kermit actually safely tests your hardware before
>>using it, contrary to the "shoot first, ask questions later" technique of many
>>comms programs. If the test fails then the odds are in favor of something
>>being peculiar in your machine.
>
> Yeah right, I have seen this answer before, but Linux and Terminate
> have zero, zilch, nada problems dealing with the hardware while Kermit
> does have problems dealing with the chips. Maybe, just maybe I should
> have said 'my chips' there, since you seem to think Kermit works flawless
> with real 16550A's.
> Other postings have proved otherwise, however.
    Not to argue about it but they haven't shown that. May I refresh
the minds of the readership on the "emulated 16550A" chip problem: it is
a chip problem and the cure seems to be to hit the chip with a 2x4. Some
software may think that's a good thing to do and fooey on the rest of
the world; Kermit does not. In any case, as I said previously, MSK 3.14
has code to workaround this chip problem. The release MSKs for many years
have worked perfectly with real 16550As, at my place and from no reports
of troubles with the real chips.
    Joe D.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit and Windows for Workgroups
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In article <3655rp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Timothy John Flynn) writes:
>
>     I am using kermit with windows for workgroups.  I seem to get
> alot of retry errors when I download files while running under windows,
> but when I run kermit straight out of dos I hardly get any.  I prefer to
> work under windows so I can work on other programs while downloading..is
> there any way I can set some options either in the emm386 area for
> windows or does kermit require special comm drivers to communicate with
> windows? My connection runs at 19200 and consists of a basic null modem
> serial link with Iowa States Prject Vincent.
>     Any help as always is greatly appreciated!
> email please!
------------
    A very common complaint with all serial port comms programs under
Windows; you have company.
    It's Windows. If you scan the PC News groups notice how many msgs
there are on this topic. The cures fall into two main categories: if you
continue to run at 19,200 or higher then by all means acquire a buffered
UART (the 16550A flavor), and look for a better Windows serial port driver
than that shipped with Windows. Of course slowing down is also a solution.
    Windows grabs the real serial port and simulates it to DOS box
programs, so the fault is between Windows and its hardware. You can try
to give the DOS box greater cpu resources by fiddling with the program
parameters in Windows but much of this has to be done locally to match
the particular setup on the machine.
    Two replacment items I have come across are the Delrina Windows
Fax com item, wfxcom.zip (copy on netlab2.usu.edu, cd apps), and a decent
buffered UART serial board. I'm using a Hayes ESP board this week which
looks like a 16550A to programs and which has its own Windows driver.
There are many other drivers and boards available so you may wish to
ask around in the Windows News groups for shared experiences.
    Try to use hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) if your cable has
enough wires. It's faster acting than XON/XOFF.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: a nice kermit icon?SKIP/NEWSGROUP
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In article <364q1t$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Douglas Harvey) writes:
> I am looking for a nice Windows-format icon to use with Kermit.  I've looked
> around and found only one (which I didn't like).  Don't you all agree that
> the kermit distribution should have an "official" kermit icon?
>
> This is partially in fun, but who <does> have a nice kermit icon?
------------
    I make one for the MSK 3.14 release. However, folks may have
a grain of artistic sense and discard my feeble attempt. Here is my
attempt, and please don't snicker to my face...
    Joe D.
-------------
section 1 of uuencode 4.13 of file KERMIT.ICO    by R.E.M.

begin 644 KERMIT.ICO
M```!``$`("`0``````#H`@``%@```"@````@````0`````$`!```````@`(`.
M``````````````````````````````"```"`````@(``@````(``@`"`@```6
M@("``,#`P````/\``/\```#__P#_````_P#_`/__``#___\`____________@
M____________________________________________________________$
M______________F9F9F9F9_____________Y\/#P\/"0```````/____^0\/9
M#P\/G_______`/____GP\/#P\)________`/___YF9F9F9F?________#___Z
M___Y_Y__________\`____^9F9F9F?_______P#____Y______^?______`/W
M____^?______G_____\`______GW=W=W_Y______#______Y______^?____L
M``#_____^?=W=W?_G____P``______G______Y____S,S,_____Y]W=W=_^?W
M__S,XN[LS___^?______G__,[B(N[LS___^9F9F9F?_\SN(B(N[NS/______G
M____S.[B(B+N[NS/_________\[NXB(B[N[NSP________S.[NXB+N[N[L_PQ
M_______\[N[N+NXN[N[L_P\`_____.[NXB+B[N[N[/_P#P____SN[B(B(N[N;
M[NS__P_P\`__SNXB(B+N[N[/_____P#P_\SN(B(B+N[LS______P_P_\XB(B]
M(N[N[/_________P_,XB(B(N[,S__________P_\[N[N[LS____________P`
M_\S,S,S/__\`````````````````````````````````````````````````U
M`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
M`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
!`````
``
end
sum -r/size 57357/1106 section (from "begin" to "end")
sum -r/size 40329/766 entire input file


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Hello.  I'm hoping that someone will indulge my ignorance and help
with what might be a common problem.  Kermit works fine in DOS on
my 386 with a USRobotics Sportster modem on Com 4, IRQ 5.  In windows
it seems that Kermit can't access the modem.  After trying the computer
hangs.  Cntl Alt. Del. sometimes quits Kermit and sometimes not, which
seems to be connected to whether the mouse is moving (mouse is on Com1,
IRQ 4).  I use other windows communications programs without problem,
except that they don't include full implementations of Kermit, and
the protocols they do include often don't work, which is why I want
to run Kermit.  I *think* I've tried just about everything.  The modem
is a 14,400 model, and I'm fairly sure I've got all the Kermit settings
right, including, of course, the Com and Interrupt settings -- as I
said, works fine in DOS.  Help!

Thanks!  (BTW this is the latest Kermit MS-DOS 3.13)

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From: [e-mail] (Ami Bar-Yadin)
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Subject: non-erasable characters in VT220 emulation
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The DEC VT220 has some command sequences that deal with
non-erasable characters.  I think Kermit's emulation of a VT220
does not handle these properly.

Is Kermit suppose to support these command sequences?

If not, are there any plans to add this support in the future?


From the DEC VT220 pocket reference guide:

Select Char Attributes (DECSCA):  Applies to subsequent characters
   CSI Ps " q
   where Ps is
        0: All attributes off (does not apply to Graphic Rendition)
        1: designate chars as "not erasable" by DECSEL/DECSED
        2: designate chars as "erasable" by DECSEL/DECSED

Selective Erase in Line (DECSEL):
   CSI ? Ps K
   where Ps is
     null:  Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOL
        0:  Same as null
        1:  Erase all "erasable" chars from BOL to cursor
        2:  Erase all "erasable" chars on the line

Selective Erase in Display (DECSED):
   CSI ? Ps J
   where Ps is
     null:  Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOS
        0:  same as null
        1:  Erase all "erasable" chars from BOS to cursor
        2:  Erase all "erasable" chars on the screen
--
Ami Bar-Yadin ([e-mail])

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: non-erasable characters in VT220 emulation
Date: 26 Sep 1994 13:00:17 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ami Bar-Yadin)
writes:
> The DEC VT220 has some command sequences that deal with
> non-erasable characters.  I think Kermit's emulation of a VT220
> does not handle these properly.
> Is Kermit suppose to support these command sequences?
>
Support for "protected fields" has been added to version 3.14, which
will be announced for testing shortly.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Wtd: "Kermit, a file transfer protocol"
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:
> Looking for a copy of fdc's book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol"
> If anybody has a copy they are not using anymore, drop me a line,
>
It's still in print, believe it or not.  Although the types of
computers it talks about have mostly faded into history (DEC-20s, etc),
the specification of the Kermit protocol is still the definitive one.
If you can't find it at your local computer bookstore, you can call
[phone] or [phone] to order it.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always?
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In article <362e3r$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes:
> Why not always do "set file type binary"?
> Is there any reason to use text mode?
> Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files.
> (I have the same question regarding ftp.)
> Why is there a text mode at all?
>
Three reasons:

(1) Record format: As most people know, different file systems represent
lines of plain text in different ways:

 . A stream of characters terminated by CRLF (e.g. DOS)
 . A stream of characters terminated by LF (e.g. UNIX)
 . A stream of characters terminated by CR (e.g. Mac or OS-9)
 . A LF followed by a stream of charcters followed by CR (VMS)
 . A count word followed by a stream of characters (mainframes)
 . A fixed-length field with trailing blanks or NULs (mainframes)
 . etc etc etc

If you transfer a text file from one type of system to another, the
presumption is that you want it to be in useful format when it arrives.
For example, if you transferred a Macintosh text file to, say, a UNIX or
VMS system without conversion, you would probably wind up with all the
lines overstriking each other.  If you transferred C program source from
DOS to UNIX in binary mode, you couldn't compile it.  If you transferred
UNIX text to DOS in binary mode, it would print in "stairstep" fashion.
And so on.

(2) File Format.  Different file systems have different ways of
representing the end of a file:

 . An exact byte count (e.g. UNIX)
 . An approximately byte count (e.g. Prime)
 . A block count
 . A record count
 . An internal in-band marker, like Ctrl-Z
 . etc etc

When you transfer text files in binary mode, and the end of file is not
represented in an exact fashion, you are likely to get junk at the end
of the transferred file.

(3) Character set.  I realize Americans could not care less about this
issue, but there are places in the world where people speak other
languages than English, in which accented and/or non-Roman letters or
other glyphs are needed, and want to be able to use them when writing
text on their computers.  Unfortunately, each computer and OS is likely
to use completely different encodings for the same characters.
Binary-mode transfers would skip any needed conversions whereas
text-mode transfers -- at least when done by Kermit -- will take care of
them.

Bottom line: Use text mode when transferring plain text and you want it
to arrive on the destination system in useful format.  Use binary mode
when you don't want any conversions to be done.  You can also use binary
mode when transferring text between two computers that have the same
kind of file system -- record format, file format, and character set.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: a nice kermit icon?SKIP/NEWSGROUP
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
% In article <364q1t$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Douglas Harvey) writes:
% > I am looking for a nice Windows-format icon to use with Kermit.  I've looked
% > around and found only one (which I didn't like).  Don't you all agree that
% > the kermit distribution should have an "official" kermit icon?
% >
% > This is partially in fun, but who <does> have a nice kermit icon?
% ------------
%     I make one for the MSK 3.14 release. However, folks may have
% a grain of artistic sense and discard my feeble attempt. Here is my
% attempt, and please don't snicker to my face...
%     Joe D.
% -------------

Designing icons is clearly an art :-). Here's the one we use here.
Feel free to snicker or to use it.

Leila
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table
 !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?
@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_
begin 644 kermit.ico
M   !  $ (" 0      #H @  %@   "@    @    0     $ !       @ ( z
M                              "   "     @(  @    (  @ " @   y
M@("  ,# P    /\  /\   #__P#_    _P#_ /__  #___\ ____/______Px
M,S,S,S,S,___________\#,S,S,S,S/___/_____]5 S,S,S,S,S________w
M]5 #,S,S,S,S,_____55554P,S,S,S,S,S/__S9:JJJJH#,S,S,S,S,S__55v
M6J.JJJ S,S,S,S,S,_\%JJJJJJJ@ S,S,S,S,S-0"JJJJJJJJ@,S,S,S,S,Su
MX JJJJJJJJJJ#N[N[N[N[NX*JJJJJJJJJ@#N[N[N[N[N"JJJJJJJJJJJH   t
M#N[N[@JJJJJJJJJJJJ  "@  [NX*JJJJJJJJH   JJ *H [N"JJJJJJJH "Js
MJJJJJJH.[@JJJJJJJJ"JJJJJJJJJ#NX*JJJJJJ *JJJJJJJJH [NX*JJJJJ@r
MJJJJJJJJJJ#N[N"JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJH.[N[@JJJJJJJJJJJJJJH #N[NX JJq
MH "JJJJJJJJ@#N[N[NX H _P  JJJJJJH.[N[N[NX*#___\ JJJJH [N[N[Np
M[NX __  \*JJH [N[N[N[N[NX/\  /"J   .[N[N[N[N[N#_  \   \/#N[No
M[N[N[N[N#___#N#P#P[N[N[N[N[N[@#_\ [@#_ .[N[N[N[N[N[N  [N[@  n
M[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[N[Nm
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit can't access modem under Windows
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Hello.  I'm hoping that someone will indulge my ignorance and help
> with what might be a common problem.  Kermit works fine in DOS on
> my 386 with a USRobotics Sportster modem on Com 4, IRQ 5.  In windows
> it seems that Kermit can't access the modem.  After trying the computer
> hangs.  Cntl Alt. Del. sometimes quits Kermit and sometimes not, which
> seems to be connected to whether the mouse is moving (mouse is on Com1,
> IRQ 4).

    Did you tell Kermit about the port and IRQ for COM4 via the
Kermit command SET COM4 port irq? The reason you have to for this port
and for IRQ not 4 or 3 is there is no way to acquire that information
from the hardware.
    Joe D.

EL):
>    CSI ? Ps K
>    where Ps is
>      null:  Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOL
>         0:  Same as null
>         1:  Erase all "erasable" chars from BOL to cursor
>         2:  Erase all "erasable" chars on the line
>
> Selective Erase in Display (DECSED):
>    CSI ? Ps J
>    where Ps is
>      null:  Erase all "erasable" chars from cursor to EOS
>         0:  same as null
>         1:  Erase all "erasable" chars from BOS to cursor
>         2:  Erase all "erasable" chars on the screen
> --
---------------
    As detailed in the release doc msvibm.vt which is part of the
MS-DOS Kermit distribution suite, these commands are not supported in
MSK up to v3.13. They are very rarely used. But version 3.14 (to come
out) does implement them.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Sigurd Andersen)
Date: 16 Sep 1994 18:30:14 -0400
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In article <35bbuh$[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]> wrote:
:

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From: [e-mail] (Cliff Stamp)
Date: 16 Sep 1994 17:32:24 GMT
Organization: Memorial University of Newfoundland
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Does anyone know how to tell kermit to redial after a set number
of rings/busy signals. Right now it is set to around 25 and I would
like to lower it to 2.

Thanks for your time.
--

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From: 3beh5@qlink (Hutsel Barry E)
Date: 17 Sep 1994 02:37:30 GMT
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I'm just new at this, but am I doing something wrong:

1.  I am attempting to FTP a binary file (ie.  .ZIP)
2.  I set FTP to bin and get the file to my home directory
3.  Then I run kermit on the remote computer and escape (alt-x) to the

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
Date: 17 Sep 1994 21:54:24 -0700
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3beh5@qlink (Hutsel Barry E) writes:

>4.  Next I "set file type binary" on the local kermit
>Problem:  The file is useless when I get it to my local machine.  It's

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From: [e-mail]
Date: 18 Sep 1994 00:56:48 -0400
Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA
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Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS?

Thanks.
Mike

(please e-mail me)
[e-mail]


otely execute commands, etc. but I am having problems getting kermit
to 'pipe' results back to a local machine; ie. I want to run a command
on a remote machine, and pipe its results into Kermit (in eg. a

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On 16 Sep 1994 [e-mail] wrote:

> For a certain opac I have been give a version of kermit with "key settings",

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From: [e-mail] (MDESOUZA)
Date: 18 Sep 1994 18:26:12 GMT
Organization: University of Maryland, College Park
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Hello All,
I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc.
At the momnet I use procomm plus as my comm software to dial out of my

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From: [e-mail] (J. Wakeley Purple)
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Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 18:48:13 GMT

Cliff Stamp ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone know how to tell kermit to redial after a set number
: of rings/busy signals. Right now it is set to around 25 and I would
: like to lower it to 2.

I don't think kermit has any default redial.

It does have a timeout until connect.

You're probably using kermit running with a script which has a loop in

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From: [e-mail] (Harry H Conover)
Date: 18 Sep 1994 19:03:06 GMT
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I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as
I have for the past 10 years or so.  So far, the program has survived
an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the

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MDESOUZA ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello All,
:     I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc.

: home, but the computer center guys say Kermit is way better.  they have
: a disk, but i remember that one could download the "latest" kermit

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From: [e-mail] (Steven Patrick Iltis)
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From: [e-mail] (Steven Patrick Iltis)
Date: 18 Sep 1994 19:51:08 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
Message-ID: <35i5nc$[e-mail]>


Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit
on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with
Kermit.

If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest
transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a
14.4 modem.

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 21:32:25 GMT
Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)

[e-mail] (Harry H Conover) writes:
>I'm current using Kermit as my primary communications package, as
>I have for the past 10 years or so.  So far, the program has survived
>an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the
>Internet.  Sadly, it lacks certain features such as automatic
>re-dial, the ability to automatically log-off on completion of
>batch file transfers, etc.
>
>It identifies itself as: IBM PC KERMIT-MS V2.28....
>
>Can anyone point me to an FTP site that has a more recent MS-DOS
>version available?

The official ftp site for Kermit is kermit.columbia.edu, however, the
latest MS-Kermit is also available - along with many support programs
and information files - from SimTel.

NOTE: Type B is Binary; Type A is ASCII

Directory SimTel/msdos/kermit/
Filename   Type Length   Date   Description
==============================================
ddntac.hlp    A    4112  890813  Setting TAC parameters for Kermit
easyk110.zip  B   53931  890316  Kermit made easy. EasyKermit V1.10
ep437.zip     B   11529  900125  PC Code-Page-437-to-Epson char set translation
epson.zip     B    7646  900125  Epson printer driver for EGA graphics screens
ker_scp3.zip  B   19526  881114  Useful Kermit (v2.29 or above) script files
msicyr.zip    B    5079  910521  Kermit term init: send/rec Cyrillic characters
msiem2.ini    A    4202  890731  Kermit script maps PC keyboard for GNU Emacs
msiibm.zip    B   29843  890120  Kermit 2.32/A Script, tutorial, init files
msivt3.zip    B    5354  910521  MS-Kermit DEC keybd setups for IBM-compatibles
msivt321.zip  B    5688  910705  MS-Kermit keybd setup for DEC VT200-300 series
msk-rcv.bas   A    6495  910320  Easy bootstrap: Rcve-only Kermit pgm in BASIC
msker313.zip  B  336282  931004  MS-Kermit v3.13 comm pgm for IBM-compatibles
mskerdoc.zip  B  144524  890630  Kermit 2.32/A User's guide and other files
mskr-em2.zip  B   30433  910320  MS-Kermit v3.1 term emulation & graphics info
msr313.ann    A   18246  930719  Official announcement of MS-Kermit vers. 3.13
msr31321.pch  A    4218  940604  Patch file for MS-Kermit v3.13 (patches 1-21)
msulk2.zip    B   11684  910521  Driver allows use of DEC LK250 kbd w/MS-Kermit
msvgen.zip    B   60556  930719  MS-Kermit v3.13 executable for Generic MS-DOS
msvhp1.zip    B   45098  890130  Kermit 2.32/A Hewlett Packard specific
msvrb1.zip    B   48899  890130  Kermit 2.32/A Rainbow specific
msvv90.zip    B   67364  930719  MS-Kermit v3.13 executable for Victor 9000
msvz10.zip    B   69272  930719  MS-Kermit 3.13 executable for Heath/Zenith 100
pcbdker.zip   B    5218  890311  Collection of MS-Kermit scripts
pcprint.c     A    5190  890504  Print Unix host text files on PC (req. Kermit)
pcprint.nr    A    2994  890504  Unix man page for PCPRINT.C
scanch41.zip  B   14157  900106  Keyboard scan code check/display for MS-Kermit
tskerm25.zip  B   46838  940214  Keypads, bats, & logging scripts for MS-Kermit
xsend051.zip  B   11210  910320  Makes Kermit script files to send entire disk
yogiutil.zip  B   27954  910324  Chg blue color to underscore w/MS-Kermit v3.0x

Download msker313.zip and msr31321.pch.  That's all you need to get started.

For security reasons SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm),
is located on a host that is not accessible by anonymous ftp users, however
its files are available by anonymous ftp in directory /SimTel/msdos from
the primary mirror site OAK.Oakland.Edu (141.210.10.117) located in
Rochester, Michigan, and from the secondary mirror sites:

St. Louis, MO:  wuarchive.wustl.edu (128.252.135.4)
/systems/ibmpc/msdos
Corvallis, OR:  archive.orst.edu (128.193.2.13)
/pub/mirrors/simtel/msdos
Australia:  archie.au (139.130.4.6)
/micros/pc/oak
England:  src.doc.ic.ac.uk (146.169.2.10)
/pub/packages/simtel
Finland:  ftp.funet.fi (128.214.248.6)
/pub/msdos/SimTel
France:  ftp.ibp.fr (132.227.60.2)
/pub/pc/SimTel/msdos
Germany:  ftp.uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32)
/SimTel/msdos
Hong Kong:  ftp.cs.cuhk.hk (137.189.4.57)
/pub/simtel/msdos
Israel:  ftp.technion.ac.il (132.68.1.10)
/pub/unsupported/dos/simtel
Poland:  ftp.cyf-kr.edu.pl (149.156.1.8)
/pub/mirror/msdos
Sweden:  ftp.sunet.se (130.238.127.3)
/pub/pc/mirror/SimTel/msdos
Switzerland:  ftp.switch.ch (130.59.1.40)
/mirror/msdos
Taiwan:  NCTUCCCA.edu.tw (140.111.1.10)
/PC/simtel
Thailand:  ftp.nectec.or.th (192.150.251.33)
/pub/mirrors/SimTel/msdos

SimTel files may obtained by e-mail from various ftp-mail servers
or through the BITNET/EARN file servers.  For details see file
/SimTel/msdos/filedocs/mailserv.inf.  Gopher users can access the
collection through Gopher.Oakland.Edu.  World Wide Web (WWW) and
Mosaic users can connect to the URL http://www.acs.oakland.edu to
access the files on OAK.Oakland.Edu.

CD-ROM copies of the entire MS-DOS collection (including Windows) are
available from Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Inc., 5850 Dixie
Highway Clarkston, MI 48346, U.S.A., telephone [phone] or (810)
623-6700, or FAX [phone].  A WWW Forms Interface for ordering
CD-ROMs -  http://www.coast.net/SimTel/  - is also available.  This
two CD-ROM set includes the entire collection, which is not true of
CD-ROMs offered by some other vendors.  For information send e-mail to
[e-mail].  To order send e-mail to [e-mail].
Quarterly update subscriptions are available.  Dealer inquiries are
welcome.  Purchases of this CD-ROM set from Coast to Coast will
provide direct support to SimTel.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
Internet: [e-mail]    or      [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
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Subject: C-Kermit for DOS questions
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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
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Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 21:52:01 GMT

I've been trying to track down a version of C-Kermit for
DOS and have been unsuccessful.  In Cruz's book he has
a chart of the compatibilities of DOS kermit and C-Kermit
and their is one difference - no dynamic block sizes
on the DOS version.

My questions are...

Is their a version of Kermit for DOS that supports dynamic
blocks?  And where can that be obtained?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
Erik
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Ketcham)
Date: 18 Sep 1994 23:03:00 GMT
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Message-ID: <35igv4$[e-mail]>


Several people have mentioned automatic redial wrt kermit.  Here is
a little macro I kluged up to do it (to be included in .kermrc).
I present it not so much as the perfect way to do it, but rather as
*a* way.  I'd like to hear comments/criticisms on how this could be
done better or more robustly.

Problems I'm aware of:

--Only works with modems that return "BUSY" when the line is
busy.  I've used some that don't.

--Depends on ASCII being the character set (due to '\13').  I
think there's a better way to do this, but I couldn't
immediately find it in the kermit docs.

--If the line is *not* busy, must wait for the input statement
to time out.  Thus, the choice of time there is critical.
Don't want it too long, but if too short, might time out before
a slow phone connection completed (esp. long distance).  Is
there a way to wait for *any* text string, save it in a variable,
and then test it afterwards for "BUSY" or "CONNECT" -ness?

--ben

-------------

define demondial -
if > \v(argc) 1 assign \%p \%1, -
else ask \%p Number to dial (without atdt prefix):, -
echo \13demondial:  Trying number  (use ^C to abort)  ...\13, -
while EQUAL 1 1 { -
hangup, -
output atdt\%p\13, -
input 20 BUSY, -
xif FAILURE { -
echo \13demondial:  Looks like line's not busy.  Connecting  ...\13, -
connect, -
stop -
} -
else { -
echo \13demondial:  Line busy.  Retrying  ...\13 -
}, -
} -






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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Dunstan)
Date: 19 Sep 1994 00:14:20 GMT
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Message-ID: <35il4s$[e-mail]>

I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and
then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul
translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs,
when all I want to send is a plain CR.

Is there any way to achieve this?

cheers

andrew



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From: [e-mail] (Dwight Hugget)
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From: [e-mail] (Dwight Hugget)
Date: 16 Sep 1994 18:12:20 GMT
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Message-ID: <35cn64$qp0$[e-mail]>



Has anyone ever configured Intel's 14.4 fax/data PCMCIA card to work with
kermit ???
If so, how do you handle the setting of the COMn port while trying to

 Qmodem using Zmodem.  I was informed the problem
>lyes in SZ and systems are trying to deal with it.  But I was suggested
>trying to upload into UNIX main base and then ftr the files to armstrong.
>
>       Well if anyone else has a possible solution, please post it....

Have you tried  rz -a  to tell the Zmodem receive program that the file
you are about to send is text?  Zmodem defaults to binary mode.

Keith
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Keith Petersen
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Chinn)
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Chinn)
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Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 07:14:45 GMT

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to
Windows/NT?

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Binh Anson) writes:
>
>G'day,
>
>I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that

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From: [e-mail]
Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:52:21 GMT
Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA
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In article <35ghag$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>
>Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS?
>
>Thanks.
>Mike
>
>(please e-mail me)
>[e-mail]

Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me
(P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone)

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From: [e-mail] (John D Cederman)
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Hello,
I am using Qmodem with Zmodem protocol.  I have been able to download

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
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[e-mail] (Jianqing Hu) writes:
> ... don't push kermit too hard. In some cases, it will leave errors undetect
> (At least on our unix box)

This should fix the problem:

set blo 3

which is short for "set block-check-type 3-char-crc-ccitt".

Keith
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From: [e-mail] (Binh Anson)
Date: 19 Sep 1994 11:09:16 GMT
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G'day,

I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found that

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:28:18 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bill Chinn <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to
>Windows/NT?

 alpha.16) to
the computer at school (Ckermit 5A(188)) with the FILE COLLISION set
to UPDATE. Thus, I would expect that only those files on my home
commputer that are newer than the files on the school computer will be
transfered. And that is what happens...mostly. There are a few files
that constantly get transfered. Although I have not touched the
files on either system for months, everytime I run the transfer script
these few files get transfered. I have checked the dates on both
machines and they are identical, at least to the minute. Perhaps the
seconds are different?

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Hounsell)
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Subject: Is anybody working on kermit for windows?
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From: [e-mail] (Paul Hounsell)
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Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:23:08 GMT

Hello developers

I would like to know if anybody is working on kermit to run under windows
winsocket. I really like kermit for telnet and terminal emulation so I would li

I would li

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From: [e-mail] (Kerry Schwab)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and Zmodem?
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From: [e-mail] (Kerry Schwab)
Date: 18 Sep 1994 18:32:58 -0600
Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation
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In article <35i5nc$[e-mail]>,
Steven Patrick Iltis <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit
>on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with
>Kermit.
>

Yes, look at the "REDIRECT" command.  Suppose you were trying to
recieve a file, you'd do "sz <file>", enter the kermit escape char,
then type "REDIRECT rz".

Though it does seem almost seem like kermit treason ;)

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From: [e-mail] (Ramin Farzaneh)
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From: [e-mail] (Ramin Farzaneh)
Date: 19 Sep 1994 03:39:19 GMT
Organization: Cornell University
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I have been trying to improve the file transfer speed I get while
downloading from a workstation to my PC using C Kermit and MS Kermit.
The highest rate that I've gotten for a .zip file has been ~1320 cps

s survived
>an IBM XT, '286, '386' and '486, and is now going strong on the

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From: [e-mail] (Doug Fraser)
Date: 19 Sep 1994 18:54:38 -0400
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
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In article <35i0o4$[e-mail]>,
MDESOUZA <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello All,
>    I want to use download files from my host (umd) to my home pc.
>At the momnet I use procomm plus as my comm software to dial out of my

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
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In article <35d5gi$[e-mail]>,
Sigurd Andersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
:In article <35abck$[e-mail]>,
:Jerry Alexandratos <[e-mail]> wrote:
:: Has anyone out there been able to successfully multiplex packets so
:: that you can use kermit and another TCPIP application?  ...
::

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From: [e-mail] (todd spindler)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Binh Anson) writes:
>
>G'day,
>
>I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found

 files to armstrong.

Well if anyone else has a possible solution, please post it....



(cederman)






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[e-mail] (Steven Patrick Iltis) writes:

>Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit?
> with Kermit ... , I can only get about 1200 cps on a
>14.4 modem.

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From: [e-mail] (John Jamulla)
Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:21:38 GMT
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Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line?

I'd like to use linux's "term" program and I already have kermit
all set up for my needs. I need kermit to stop buffering and
looking at the link without dropping the phone line

Please reply to below address.

Thanks in advance,
John J.
_________________________________________________________________________
[e-mail]               John Jamulla - Dearborn, MI USA
PROFS:JJAMULLA JAMULLA -ON D1D1           Ford - Car Product Development
Bldg3 2nd Floor #2638 [phone]      CAD/CAM, Dearborn, MI 48121


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From: [e-mail] (Steven Patrick Iltis)
Date: 20 Sep 1994 00:09:51 GMT
Organization: Rice University, Houston, Texas
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Thanks to the many solutions posted here and e-mailed to me. I've got
to try them out now!

--
Steve Iltis
Computer Science Teacher
Westbury H.S., Houston
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Doug Fraser)
Date: 19 Sep 1994 19:06:18 -0400
Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada.
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In article <35i5nc$[e-mail]>,
Steven Patrick Iltis <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Is it possible to use zmodem (or rz and sz) with kermit? I use Kermit
>on Linux to log on to systems, and would like to use zmodem with
>Kermit.
>
>If I can't get these to work together, how can I get the fastest
>transfers with Kermit? Currently, I can only get about 1200 cps on a
>14.4 modem.

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From: [e-mail] (Earl H. Kinmonth)
Date: 20 Sep 1994 06:41:22 GMT
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Does anyone know the current state of kermit for DOS/V (the
IBM/Microsoft dual mode version for Japanese/English)?  I have a 3.13
beta from a site in Japan, but it has one bug that renders it almost
unusable.  The code conversion does not work properly for Old-Jis
coding as used by Japan's largest commercial database vendor, Nikkei
Telecom.

--
Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
Sheffield, England S10 2TN [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections
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The ckcker.upd file for 5A(190) Beta Sep 5/94 contains lots of very useful
info on control character prefixing.  I have one question.  The document
is very explicit about the need to quote 255 if a telnet server is involved
in the communications path.  In my case, I have a CISCO telnet server
in the path, I told C-Kermit 5A(189) to unquote 255 and it doesn't seem
to matter.  The other end is MS-Kermit 3.13 which does not let me explicitly
prefix or unprefix 255.  So, the questions are:

   1. Is MS-Kermit 3.13 quoting 255 and that's why I don't see a problem?
   2. Is it just that my tests don't illustrate the problem?  (I have a test
      file that includes singles and doubles of all 256 character codes as
      suggested in the .upd file.)  I've done binary uploads and downloads
      successfully.
   3. What does IAC stand for anyway?

I could just quote 255 but I'd first like to understand why.

P.S. To Joe D.  I found your comment about shiny toys perfectly acceptable and
the suggestion that you should watch your tone ridiculous.  In my opinion
you and Frank should be nominated for sainthood.

--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit for DOS questions
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)  writes:
> I've been trying to track down a version of C-Kermit for
> DOS and have been unsuccessful.  In Cruz's book he has
> a chart of the compatibilities of DOS kermit and C-Kermit
> and their is one difference - no dynamic block sizes
> on the DOS version.
>
Au contraire - DOS Kermit does have "dynamic block sizes",
a.k.a. rubber packets.  This is in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 (the
current version).

The idea is: if the line quality deteriorates and packet errors
(corruption or timeouts) occur, the file sender automatically
reduces the packet size.  As (when, if) the line quality improves
again, the packet length is gradually increased back to its
negotiated maximum size.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: CR translation in telnet connection
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Andrew Dunstan)  writes:
> I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and
> then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul
> translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs,
> when all I want to send is a plain CR.
>
The makers of the Ethergate should read RFC854.

However, this is becoming such a pervasive problem that the forthcoming
releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit will add an option,
SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW, to allow carriage returns to be sent
bare, with no LF or NUL stuffed after them as required by the TELNET
NVT specification (RFC854).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Keith Petersen)  writes:
> The official ftp site for Kermit is kermit.columbia.edu, however, the
> latest MS-Kermit is also available - along with many support programs
> and information files - from SimTel.
>
 SimTel files may obtained by e-mail from various ftp-mail servers
> or through the BITNET/EARN file servers.  For details see file
> /SimTel/msdos/filedocs/mailserv.inf.  Gopher users can access the
> collection through Gopher.Oakland.Edu.  World Wide Web (WWW) and
> Mosaic users can connect to the URL http://www.acs.oakland.edu to
> access the files on OAK.Oakland.Edu.
>
Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on
the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is
kermit.columbia.edu.  We who write and support Kermit software have
no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might
(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc.

> CD-ROM copies of the entire MS-DOS collection (including Windows) are
> available from Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Inc...
>
Kermit software should not be on these CD-ROMs.  Once again, it creates
two big problems for the Kermit effort: it starves us of the income we
need to continue our work, and it creates a big support problem for us
since (a) the software on these CD-ROMs might be out of date, changed,
and/or incomplete, and (b) it is distributed without the manual.

- Frank

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Dear readers...

Some site in South Africa (proxima.alt.za?) is reposting all of the messages
that were already posted to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, and truncating most
of them in the bargain, and rewriting the address of the posters.  Very
confusing and annoying.

Dear news person at proxima.alt.za -- please make it stop.  Thanks.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Quoting 255 on Telnet Connections
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In article <36761n$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
Smith) writes:
>  1. Is MS-Kermit 3.13 quoting 255 and that's why I don't see a problem?
>
Both C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit will prefix 255 automatically when you have
made the connection with a SET PORT TCP (MS-DOS Kermit) or TELNET (or,
equivalently, SET NETWORK TCP/IP, SET HOST ...) command, i.e. when they
know for sure it's a TELNET connection.  Otherwise they don't, in which case
you might have to tell them to do it.

> 2. Is it just that my tests don't illustrate the problem?  (I have a test
>    file that includes singles and doubles of all 256 character codes as
>    suggested in the .upd file.)  I've done binary uploads and downloads
>    successfully.
>
It depends on the direction in which the data is going and on the terminal
server.  Some of them are oversensitive.  If a literal 255 comes in on the
serial end, it should be treated as data, but cases have been reported where
it is not.  More to the point, the Kermit program on the receiving end of
the TELNET connection has NO WAY of knowing this, and so when it is sending
files, it will cheerfully let you unprefix 255 -- don't do it!

>    3. What does IAC stand for anyway?
>
I Am a Command?  No, not really.  It's "Interpret As Command".  On a TELNET
connection, IAC (= 255) is a kind of in-band escape character, changing
the protocol from data mode to command mode.  To send an IAC as a literal
data character, one must send two of them.  See RFC854.

> I could just quote 255 but I'd first like to understand why.
>
Better safe than sorry.  It's only one character out of 256.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: auto redial script
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Benjamin Ketcham)  writes:
> Several people have mentioned automatic redial wrt kermit.  Here is
> a little macro I kluged up to do it (to be included in .kermrc).
>
We recommend you not alter your .kermrc (CKERMIT.INI), but rather,
add your customizations, overrides, and redefinitions to your own
personal customization file, .mykermrc (CKERMOD.INI).  Ditto for
MS-DOS Kermit: make alterations to MSCUSTOM.INI, not MSKERMIT.INI.

> --Depends on ASCII being the character set (due to '\13').  I
> think there's a better way to do this, but I couldn't
> immediately find it in the kermit docs.
>
I've never heard of a modem that did not use ASCII for its command
language.  However, some modems might be set to use line terminators
other than carriage return (by changing S3).  Unfortunately, there is
no way a program can find this out, except perhaps by sending
ATS3? followed by every conceivable character.

> --If the line is *not* busy, must wait for the input statement
> to time out.  Thus, the choice of time there is critical.
> Don't want it too long, but if too short, might time out before
> a slow phone connection completed (esp. long distance).  Is
> there a way to wait for *any* text string, save it in a variable,
> and then test it afterwards for "BUSY" or "CONNECT" -ness?
>
Yes - Read the ckcker.bwr file about this; there are some paragraphs
on this subject in the script programming section.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>Hello.  I'm hoping that someone will indulge my ignorance and help
>with what might be a common problem.  Kermit works fine in DOS on
>my 386 with a USRobotics Sportster modem on Com 4, IRQ 5.  In windows
>it seems that Kermit can't access the modem.  After trying the computer
>hangs.  Cntl Alt. Del. sometimes quits Kermit and sometimes not, which
>seems to be connected to whether the mouse is moving (mouse is on Com1,
>IRQ 4).  I use other windows communications programs without problem,
>except that they don't include full implementations of Kermit, and
>the protocols they do include often don't work, which is why I want
>to run Kermit.  I *think* I've tried just about everything.  The modem
>is a 14,400 model, and I'm fairly sure I've got all the Kermit settings
>right, including, of course, the Com and Interrupt settings -- as I
>said, works fine in DOS.  Help!
>
>Thanks!  (BTW this is the latest Kermit MS-DOS 3.13)


As followup to my own post, I thought it might be worth telling that
the problem turned out to be "blank" com ports, which I had thought
I had to reserve for plugs attached to an I/O card, and whose
interrupts were being used by a sound card, etc.  Someone was kind
enough to notify my by e-mail that Windows requires all ports to be
filled in sequence.  This knowledge saved me potential hours of
frustration, and I haven't seen it documented anywhere.  So everything works
fine
now that I've rearranged things to give the modem "priority", as it
were, moving it to Com2 and changing the other interrupts around.

Thanks!

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    My News reader, and probably yours too, has just been inundated
with a large flux of files from a site in South Africa. They appear to
be old messages repackaged with new headers and not always the entire
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I'm seeing many truncated postings, mostly old ones re-appearing.
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In article <362e3r$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes:

:    Why not always do "set file type binary"?
:    Is there any reason to use text mode?
:    Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files.
:    (I have the same question regarding ftp.)
:    Why is there a text mode at all?

When you settle into one way of doing things, it is easy to forget that other
ways exist.  Binary file transfers may work fine for all files in one context,
but the means of representing text vary widely in the computer world.  The
most obvious demonstration of the need for text mode is the existence of
many different types of character codes, ranging from 7-bit ASCII to 7-bit
ISO-646-with-nationals to 8-bit ISO-8859/x to 16-bit ISO-10646, not to
mention EBCDIC.  Somebody has to do the translation.
--
John F. Chandler             [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>[e-mail] (Keith Petersen)  writes:
>> The official ftp site for Kermit is kermit.columbia.edu, however, the
>> latest MS-Kermit is also available - along with many support programs
>> and information files - from SimTel.
>[...]
>Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on
>the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is
>kermit.columbia.edu.  We who write and support Kermit software have
>no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might
>(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc.

MS-Kermit, in its latest versions, has been on SimTel for many years.
This is the first complaint I've seen about SimTel offering it.

>> CD-ROM copies of the entire MS-DOS collection (including Windows) are
>> available from Coast to Coast Telecommunications, Inc...
>>
>Kermit software should not be on these CD-ROMs.  Once again, it creates
>two big problems for the Kermit effort: it starves us of the income we
>need to continue our work, and it creates a big support problem for us
>since (a) the software on these CD-ROMs might be out of date, changed,
>and/or incomplete, and (b) it is distributed without the manual.

SimTel's policy is:

  Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs
  offered by several vendors.  If the program submitted should not
  be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution,
  it will not be accepted.

I am not aware of any Kermit documentation which prohibits or limits
CD-ROM distribution of the program.  MS-Kermit has been on every SimTel
CD-ROM since the first one was released several years ago.  If Columbia
insists on asserting this prohibition it means that MS-Kermit and its
support files will have to be removed from the SimTel collection.

In my opinion removing MS-Kermit would be a disservice to your user
community since the SimTel collection is more widely distributed than
Columbia's.  It is mirrored in more than 33 countries of the world
and the CD-ROMs provide a means to make it available in many other
countries which have no Internet service.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
Internet: [e-mail]    or      [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Mon Sep 26 21:17:42 1994
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In article <35kfee$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (todd spindler) writes:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Binh Anson) writes:
>>
>>G'day,
>>
>>I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found
>>that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow!
>>I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to
>>Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ?
>

My experience has been that Kermit offers "most excellent" terminal
emulation, but file transfer speeds are often quite low.  This is
despite my attempts to set the large packet lengths, using sliding
windows, and so on.  Although I have the latest official version of
Kermit, most of the other places that I dial into often have antique
versions of Kermit, and so I cannot get them configured as I would like to.

Although it is often pointed out that Z-modem is not very reliable, I
personally have not have any major problems with it.   I have used it on
a variety of systems.

So, now I use Kermit as my terminal emulation program, and then use
Z-modem (invoked from within Kermit) to do the file transfer.

Just my $.02.

Sanjeev



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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <367e23$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Timothy John Flynn) writes:
>
> Any way to increase packet sizes past 9024??
>
> email preffered..
---------
    Read up on Columbia Kermits, discover sliding windows. 31 window
slots times 9KB per slot/packet = 279KB of stuff to be held pending
acknowledgment. That's effectively a packet of that length, but really
the stream is as long as the file (since ACKs come back during sending
of current material and let new packets be added to the list). Sliding
windows in Kermit is the clever complicated kind, known as selective
repeat, where only the bad packets need to be resent.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Sean Wheeler)
Subject: Problems with Kermit in PCPLUS for Windows
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I know this is not the procomm support area but I thought I would ask some
people who have real answers before trying to go to the Datastorm folks.  I
am using PCPLUS for Windows ver. 2.00 (I had the same problem with 1.01) and
when I try to download files from our Unix box all I get is "UART Error"
messages from Procomm and no file transfer.  This happens in server as well as
standard send modes.

When I switch to MS-Kermit 3.13 everything works just fine.  BTW: I am using
C-Kermit 5A (189) on our Pyramid Unix box and our dial up connections require
S-7-1 comm params.

How do I need to configure the Unix end to properly transfer files to the
Procomm/Windows end?

--

Sean D. Wheeler
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <36761n$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Smith) writes:
> The ckcker.upd file for 5A(190) Beta Sep 5/94 contains lots of very useful
> info on control character prefixing.  I have one question.  The document
> is very explicit about the need to quote 255 if a telnet server is involved
> in the communications path.  In my case, I have a CISCO telnet server
> in the path, I told C-Kermit 5A(189) to unquote 255 and it doesn't seem
> to matter.  The other end is MS-Kermit 3.13 which does not let me explicitly
> prefix or unprefix 255.  So, the questions are:
>
>    1. Is MS-Kermit 3.13 quoting 255 and that's why I don't see a problem?
>    2. Is it just that my tests don't illustrate the problem?  (I have a test
>       file that includes singles and doubles of all 256 character codes as
>       suggested in the .upd file.)  I've done binary uploads and downloads
>       successfully.
>    3. What does IAC stand for anyway?
>
> I could just quote 255 but I'd first like to understand why.
>
> P.S. To Joe D.  I found your comment about shiny toys perfectly acceptable and
> the suggestion that you should watch your tone ridiculous.  In my opinion
> you and Frank should be nominated for sainthood.
------------
    Last first. Thanks Mike. I get pretty frazzled sometimes and it
takes charge of my keyboard and fingers.
    IAC, 255 quoting and all that jazz. A very good question to ask.
IAC is TCP/IP Telnet-speak for "Interpret As Command." Next question. Oh,
back up? Ok. Telnet has Options to negotiate in-line, both ways, and the
IAC (decimal 255) byte is the introducer of them, sort of like ESC in
control sequences for terminals. The rules say if one wants 255 to go
through as data it must be doubled. But doing that means looking at every
byte when we really want to shove a big buffer at TCP to get performance.
So MSK simply declines to unprefix 255 in file transfers and thus avoids
the buffer scanning/restuffing problem. Also, the 7-bit version of this
is 127, aka DEL, which is subject to becoming 255 with some parity.
    To see some Options as they happen tell MSK to SET TCP DEBUG ON.

    Given the interest in the Internet Infobahn I suggest folks start
reading up on TCP/IP and related material, if you have a technical bent.
A visit to the bookstore is recommended, and with this recommendation
as defense you might be able to buy one of those nifty TCP/IP books(*)
without the family complaining.
    (*) One such good technical intro is Comer's three volume set of
"Internetworking with TCP/IP", and most people will be happy with just
volume 1. Brave souls may wish to pursue the prime references: the RFCs
available on the Internet from many sites (look at the dozens on Telnet).
These are technical details, not how to use books.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:
:[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:>Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on
:>the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is
:>kermit.columbia.edu.  We who write and support Kermit software have
:>no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might
:>(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc.

Sorry to have to be blunt, Frank, but that is not a very nice thing
to say after all the work Keith and I have put over the years to
improve also the way MsKermit is distributed.  For example are you
aware that the more user-friendly format of MsKermit distribution
packages was instigated at the repeated requests of yours truly.
Likewise, what you write includes an implied (even if I am sure
accidental) allegation about the integrity of SimTel and Garbo as
distributors.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
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Subject: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia
University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit.

SimTel's policy is:

  Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs
  offered by several vendors.  If the program submitted should not
  be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution,
  it will not be accepted.

Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit:

  Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City
  of New York.  The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared
  without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained,
  except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software
  product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with
  commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to
  their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of
  Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University.

Because of this restrictive distribution policy all MS-Kermit programs
and other associated files bearing the Columbia University copyright have
been removed from SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm).

Questions and comments should be sent to Columbia, *not* to SimTel.
The e-mail address is:  [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
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I would like to turn printer logging on and off from macros.  You can
redirect the printer output to a file with SET PRINTER, and you can
turn the printer on and off with the keystroke verb \Kprtscn, but I
can't find a way to do it from a macro, so I could turn it on from,
say, mscustom.ini.

Keystroke verbs don't seem to work in a macro:

   define foo \Kprtscn

and neither does a key number:

   define foo \2329

Is there, perhaps, a way to press a or call a keystroke verb from
a macro?  I have Gianone's "Using MS-DOS-Kermit", 2nd ed.  If I've
missed something, a page reference will do.

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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 27 11:10:08 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Rosenfeld)
Subject: Re: Kermit And FTP
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Maxwell E Evarts ([e-mail]) wrote:
: >Ah, but by using tnglass, I am limited to one connection.  If I use
: >Kermit in raw TCPIP mode, I can get multiple connections, and better
: >throughput.  Plus, if I shell to dos, I have more room to work with.
: >The only thing I'm looking for is a way to get better file transer
: >performance by using ftp instead, without having to give up any of the
: >goodies that I prefer to use kermit for.

: Unfortunately, the ETHDRV driver that PC/TCP loads owns the board, as it
: sounds like you already understand.  Here's a clip from the the
: MS-Kermit "beware" file that explains indicates PKTMUX as a possible
: solution for the brave (or foolhardy :-) :

This works for me, using pktmux.  It is worth the try.

Cowboy

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit?
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In article <368187$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
> (Keith Petersen) writes:
> :[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> :>Thanks Keith, but again, readers are cautioned that the ONLY site on
> :>the Internet that they should get Kermit software from is
> :>kermit.columbia.edu.  We who write and support Kermit software have
> :>no way of knowing what is on the many mirror sites -- the files might
> :>(or might not) be out of date, altered, incomplete, etc.
>
> Sorry to have to be blunt, Frank, but that is not a very nice thing
> to say after all the work Keith and I have put over the years to
> improve also the way MsKermit is distributed.  For example are you
> aware that the more user-friendly format of MsKermit distribution
> packages was instigated at the repeated requests of yours truly.
> Likewise, what you write includes an implied (even if I am sure
> accidental) allegation about the integrity of SimTel and Garbo as
> distributors.
>
Sorry, no slur intended.

Listen folks, this is a sensitive topic, and I'll try to explain our
position as clearly as possible.

The Kermit effort continues because it is centrally coordinated.  In the
development and maintenance of any protocol -- Kermit, XYZmodem, TCP/IP,
ISO OSI, you name it, standards must be set and to some degree enforced,
and therefore there must be a centralized keeper and setter of standards.
Otherwise, incompatible versions of Kermit would sprout up and they would
not be able to interoperate -- similar to the situation with the many
variants of Xmodem in the late 70s and early 80s.

Now the Kermit file transfer protocol, no matter how well defined, would
be of little use if it were not implemented in software programs.  And the
software programs would be of little use if they did not also offer all
the other features that one expects to find in communication software:
terminal emulation, script programming, etc.

Who writes these programs?  Who ensures that the software has implemented
the Kermit protocol correctly?  Who writes the documentation?  Who
provides technical support?  Real people.  And it's a lot of work.  At
Columbia University, we have a small staff devoted to these jobs.  Who
pays their salaries?  Who pays for the equipment, service contracts, etc?

Answer: every last penny comes from whatever income we can generate
through mail-order software distribution fees and book sales, plus the
occasional donation.  There aren't any deep-pockets foundations paying us
to write, document, and support software for you.  It's not shareware with
nag screens hounding you send money.  It's not shrink-wrapped commercial
software you have to buy in a store.  We try to support ourselves in the
way that is least painful for our user community.  But like it or not, we
do have to support ourselves.

The current controversy -- and this is not the only instance of it -- is
whether companies that make and sell -- or even give away -- CD-ROMs
should be allowed to include Kermit software on them.  Clearly there are
good and bad aspects to this.  On the good side, consumers get vast
amounts of software dirt cheap, which, in a short-sighted way, is good for
them.  On the bad side, the makers of these CD-ROMs, can sell them for
less than we charge for doing the same thing, e.g. sending Kermit software
out on diskette, tape, or cartridge.  Why?  Because we not only distribute
the software, we also write it, document it, and support it, day after
day, year after year.

When Kermit software is distributed on CD-ROMs, it takes away income from
us and at the same time adds to our workload.  People who receive Kermit
software in this way do not also receive the appropriate manuals, and so
they call us up or send email or letters asking us to explain to them how
to use the software.  We get hundreds of such support calls every day and
an ever-increasing rate.  Less money for more work.

Do you see where this trend leads when left unchecked?  The developers
have no time to develop, the tech support people are expected to "read the
manual" to users from sunup to sundown, progress grinds to a halt, and
finally everybody loses their job because there is no more income and the
Kermit effort dissolves.

So, once again, No: you can't put Kermit software on your CD-ROMs without
our written permission.  Much of the software that is on these CD-ROMs is
either written by students, who then go on to a real job since they have
to eat, or written by grant-sponsored efforts at universities.  Well, we
are not sponsored, but we are in this for the long haul.  We would like to
keep supplying you with Kermit software in the long term, and keep it up
to date with the rapidly changing requirements of new technologies.  That
requires full-time, responsible people.

What about FTP sites?  Nobody is saying you can't put Kermit software out
for FTP.  But -- and this applies to CD-ROMs too -- we can't police
thousands of FTP sites to ensure that their Kermit software is (a) up to
date, (b) complete, (c) unaltered, and (d) consistent.  We spend a huge
amount of time helping people whose problems are caused precisely because
they retrieved Kermit software from someplace else and the files were out
of date, incomplete, etc.

I'm absolutely not running down Keith, Timo, nor the many others who
collect software and put it on CD-ROMs (or FTP sites) as a public service.
Nor even the entrepeneurs who see this as a way of making a quick buck.
But think about it -- if you like this software and you want it to keep up
with the times, you have to do something to help support the people who
work long hard hours to bring it to you.

Bottom line: It's our software, it bears our copyright, we did all the
work, and we get to set the terms for its distribution.  The terms are
reasonable given the world and times in which we live.  There is no point
cluttering up the newsgroups (again) with a longwinded and acrimonious
debate on the topic.  We provide you with good software, good tech
support, good documentation, and most of you don't pay a penny for it.
If we made more money, we'd provide even better service: faster development,
more tech support people.  We're doing our best to strike a reasonable
balance.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?!
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In article <[e-mail]>,
S.X. Srivastav ([e-mail]) wrote:

>My experience has been that Kermit offers "most excellent" terminal
>emulation, but file transfer speeds are often quite low.  This is
>despite my attempts to set the large packet lengths, using sliding
>windows, and so on.  Although I have the latest official version of
>Kermit, most of the other places that I dial into often have antique
>versions of Kermit, and so I cannot get them configured as I would like to.

    That brings up a good point:  The right software for each
    situation.  If you have a mainframe or Unix shell account, chances
    are you have some version of C-Kermit or IBM mainframe Kermit which
    you can tune to your needs.  I don't use BBS's very much, but the
    few I've dialed into have Kermit implemented as a choice in their
    menu system, where it's inaccessible to the user for configuration.
    If you're lucky, "super-Kermit" or some such will be a choice, in
    which case you'll get sliding windows (but still the standard
    packet size of 92).  In that case, z-modem might be a better choice
    simply because of how it's set up.  On the other hand, more and
    more BBS's are connecting up to the Internet.  Many of these will
    accept telnet sessions, but don't have ftp.  Kermit can be used to
    telnet to these and then transfer files through the telnet
    connection.

                        Jeff

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In article <[e-mail]>,
YATES, JODYE ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Hi there. I use Kermit to download text files from somewhere. The problem is
>that when I load the files with a simple text editor there are hard returns
>inserted at the end of each line. Moreover, WordPerfect 6 doesn't even
>recognize the file format when I try to convert these files and when I
>load them straight into WP, there are hard returns all over the place, so
>the text looks awful. My question therefore is how do I convert kermit
>downloads (I think they are 7-bit) to either standard ascii or to WP?

    As the previous follow-ups show, there's some confusion about your
    question.  If the 'text files from somewhere' are in WordPerfect
    format, use binary modes for all your file transfers.  In the event
    that they are plain ascii (more likely), use ftp in ascii mode
    (default), and Kermit in text mode (also default).  WordPerfect can
    import ascii and convert it to WP format.  I, too, am not familiar
    with WP 6.0, but the functions you want (from WP 5.1) are text
    in/out, DOS text, and then you should have a choice: Preserve the
    carriage returns and turn them into WP hard returns, or turn the
    CR's into soft returns if they approach the right margin and format
    the text for the margins set.

    Hope that helps.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7
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In article <35qjl6$[e-mail]>,
Jim Monty ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but
>it was never answered:  Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP
>packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13?

    [....]

>What's different about the newer
>version of the packet driver?  I'd like to be able to use it instead of
>the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from
>memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability.

    One possible solution is that, assuming this driver works like your
    standard TSR, you could use v.9.6, and a TSR utility to remove it.
    Have a look at oak.oakland.edu:/SimTel/msdos/tsrutil (directory).
    Sam Ko, author of the list of Useful Shareware and PD Software at
    ftp sites recommends tsrcom35.zip.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Bernice Polvi)
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Subject: WFWG/Kermit BIOS errors?
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FRUSTRATED by the following problem, Any ideas would be appreciated.

When using KERMIT from within WFWG's, many of our users get the following
error message when attempting to establish a MF serial connection or initiate
a file transfer:

?WARNING: UNKNOWN HARDWARE for Port.
          Using the BIOS as BIOS2 unimplemented speed.

The windows session must then be terminated and started again.

If your certain you have a solution please post for all to read, if
your uncertain please Email me, I'd welcome any ideas.

Thanks inadvance!


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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Keith Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia
>University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit.

Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on
a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely?

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (yannis)
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Hi,
I know this is not the best group to post this question,
but you guys out there seem to know a lot about modems and
protocols anyway ;-)
  I recently got winsock.dll from a friend and I have no
idea what to do with it...
any references on the subject?


Thanks in advance and sorry about this "improper" posting!

Yannis



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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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In article <3699u3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Keith Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia
> >University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit.
>
> Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on
> a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely?
>
Before this new newsgroup bursts into flames, why not let the parties
involved work things out amongst themselves.

Develop a new file transfer program that can be distributed freely?
Be my guest.  If it becomes as successful as Kermit is, you will soon
find yourself facing the same costs as we do and the need to either
meet them or go out of "business".

- Frank


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <369dh7$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Bernice Polvi) writes:
> FRUSTRATED by the following problem, Any ideas would be appreciated.
> When using KERMIT from within WFWG's, many of our users get the following
> error message when attempting to establish a MF serial connection ...
>
Our accumulated knowledge about Windows for Workgroups 3.11 versus
MS-DOS Kermit was posted previously, and is also available via anonymous
ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, file mskwfw.doc.

- Frank
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In article <35ktea$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

>In article <35k8j5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>> In article <35ghag$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> > Can someone please tell me where I can FTP C-Kermit for DOS?
>>
>> Try Anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu and read the file read.me
>> (P. 9 of "Using Ckermit" by Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone)
>>
>Actually, this might have been a trick question: There is no C-Kermit
>for DOS.

    Y'know what?  There ought to be...  I've been using C-Kermit on my
    Unix account for a while, now.  Though I don't use most of its
    features (I use it as a remote only), I've noticed in glancing
    through the docs that it has a more powerful script language, and
    some other features that MS-Kermit lacks.  I could use those
    features (especially the script language) on my PC.  What gives?
    DOS won't support them (it would figure :-/ )?  The expanded Kermit
    wouldn't run on a poor old XT with floppy drives like mine?

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Dumb question...
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
writes:
> In article <35ktea$[e-mail]>,
> Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
> > > ...
> >Actually, this might have been a trick question: There is no C-Kermit
> >for DOS.
>
>     Y'know what?  There ought to be...  I've been using C-Kermit on my
>     Unix account for a while, now.  Though I don't use most of its
>     features (I use it as a remote only), I've noticed in glancing
>     through the docs that it has a more powerful script language, and
>     some other features that MS-Kermit lacks.  I could use those
>     features (especially the script language) on my PC.  What gives?
>     DOS won't support them (it would figure :-/ )?  The expanded Kermit
>     wouldn't run on a poor old XT with floppy drives like mine?
>
Well, aside from the obvious human-resource considerations we have
been reading about so much today (who is going to do the work???) we are
never going to be able to produce a C language version of Kermit for DOS
that is better than MS-DOS Kermit and that will still fit in memory.
MS-DOS Kermit is painstaking "hand crafted" to pack the most wollop into
the smallest amount of memory, and also to do all sorts of things at the
hardware level that simply not comfortable -- even possible -- in C.

C-Kermit is designed to run on real operating systems.  MS-DOS Kermit *is*
an operating system.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 will have many of the missing script programming features
added, in particular the \functions().  Hopefully we can get out from under
the great debates of who is entitled to what long enough to let us finish
getting this new release together.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dick Wisan) writes:
> I would like to turn printer logging on and off from macros.  You can
> redirect the printer output to a file with SET PRINTER, and you can
> turn the printer on and off with the keystroke verb \Kprtscn, but I
> can't find a way to do it from a macro, so I could turn it on from,
> say, mscustom.ini.
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    Can't do it. The printing you are discussing is occuring only within
Connect mode and the operations controlling it need to occur while that
particular terminal emulation session is being executed (versus being at
the Kermit prompt).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [?] MS-Kermit 3.13 and SLIP8250 11.7
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
> In article <35qjl6$[e-mail]>,
> Jim Monty ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>>Someone asked this question recently in comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, but
>>it was never answered:  Why doesn't version 11.7 of the Crynwyr SLIP
>>packet driver SLIP8250 work with MS-Kermit 3.13?
>
>     [....]
>
>>What's different about the newer
>>version of the packet driver?  I'd like to be able to use it instead of
>>the older version because its -u option allows me to unload it from
>>memory when I'm through with it; version 9.6 lacks this capability.
>
>     One possible solution is that, assuming this driver works like your
>     standard TSR, you could use v.9.6, and a TSR utility to remove it.
>     Have a look at oak.oakland.edu:/SimTel/msdos/tsrutil (directory).
>     Sam Ko, author of the list of Useful Shareware and PD Software at
>     ftp sites recommends tsrcom35.zip.
---------------
    I answered this previously in this list. The Crynwr v11.x SLIP8250.COM
program has a mistake which eliminated a needed Packet Driver function. I told
Russ Nelson about it. In the meanwhile I suggest either using another SLIP
program or go back to the version 9.x material (my original rewrite of
SLIP8250.COM is tucked away in directory kermit on netlab2.usu.edu). Simtel
and similar popular ftp/bbs sites might have the older version, and its worth
a look.
    MSK version 3.14 has a workaround for this problem.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: When not "set file type binary" always?
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey J. Rodriguez) writes:
> Why not always do "set file type binary"?
> Is there any reason to use text mode?
> Binary mode seems to work fine for all types of files.
> (I have the same question regarding ftp.)
> Why is there a text mode at all?

Because KERMIT runs on (at least) one "non-ASCII" piece of hardware,
the IBM mainframe.  On that platform, KERMIT has to compensate for
the multitudinous differences between EBCDIC and ASCII.

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From: [e-mail] (robert brass)
Subject: set speed command
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Hi,
    Does the set speed command set the modem speed or the
terminal/line speed. I have an Octocom modem capable of 14400 but
there is no 14400 speed available in the set speed command. When I set it
to 19200 and dial a number, I get a message "can't change speed to
14400". How can I connect at 14400?
        Bob


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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In article <3699u3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Keith Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia
>>University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit.
>
> Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on
> a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely?
>
> Les Mikesell
>   [e-mail]
----------
    If you wanted to, but it might be a good idea to reread the
Columiba copyright notice to discover what's going on. The notice
says, amongst other things, a person/organization can't redistribute
the Columbia material for profit etc without prior clearance. That
seems to be very reasonable to me.
    Guess what's lacking about the Simtel CDROM distribution
process.
    Let me touch on another aspect of this situation: Compuserve.
If you read the fine print then when a file is posted on CIS they
very nearly own the item. Oh boy! I run an anonymous ftp server or
two, and there are three kinds of files on them: Novell generated,
third party submissions to the Novell forum on CIS, and other third
party software. Novell's own files are offered via legal agreement with
the company. It took a lot of work by people to obtain a satisfactory
legal release document so the Novell forum third party material could
be made available on the Internet (that's netwire\novuser). Novell did the
hard work to make it happen.  Other files are accepted or declined
depending on whether the author has given permission for them to be
redistributed; no permission == no offering from my site (as best that I
can track it). If someone sends my archive a file which seems to have come
from CIS but the release is not made then I decline the file. I don't get
involved with money or CDROMs or making tapes for people, yet these operating
rules apply.

    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: WFWG/Kermit BIOS errors?
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In article <369dh7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bernice Polvi) writes:
> FRUSTRATED by the following problem, Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> When using KERMIT from within WFWG's, many of our users get the following
> error message when attempting to establish a MF serial connection or initiate
> a file transfer:
>
> ?WARNING: UNKNOWN HARDWARE for Port.
>           Using the BIOS as BIOS2 unimplemented speed.
>
> The windows session must then be terminated and started again.
-------------
    Their Windows configurations must be slightly inappropriate for
any DOS program to use the serial ports. May I suggest reviewing the
serial port setup in WFW. Please do watch out for FAX program also
owning the port while Windows is running.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: set speed command
Date: 27 Sep 1994 22:22:49 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (robert brass)
writes:
> Does the set speed command set the modem speed or the
> terminal/line speed. I have an Octocom modem capable of 14400 but
> there is no 14400 speed available in the set speed command. When I set it
> to 19200 and dial a number, I get a message "can't change speed to
> 14400". How can I connect at 14400?
>
It sets the computer's serial port speed.  The modem speed can only be
set by modem-specific methods.  It would have helped if you had said
which Kermit program you were using.  Let's say it's C-Kermit.  If you had
read the manual, "Using C-Kermit", you would have discovered (in the
section "Finer Points of Dialing" in chapter 3) that Kermit can either
(a) adjust its interface speed to the CONNECT speed reported by the modem,
or (b) keep its interface speed constant, i.e. ignore the modem's report.
The command is SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING { ON, OFF }.  By default, it tries
to change to the speed reported by the modem.  In your case, it seems that
your version of C-Kermit (based upon information from the system header
files, etc) does not support 14400 bps.  But that's not the real problem --
what you really wanted to do was set your modem's interface speed to
19200 and FIX IT THERE, and then tell C-Kermit to ignore the speed in the
CONNECT message.

C-Kermit 5A(190) -- still in Beta due to numerous distractions -- supports
(in general) a wider range of speeds, including 14400 bps on some systems.
But since I don't have 450 different operating-system/version combinations
directly accessible, I can't guarantee that I caught them all.  For further
information, see the section SERIAL COMMUNICATION SPEEDS in the ckccfg.doc
file.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo.  The
files have not yet been physically deleted, but their read
permissions have been removed.  For all details of the situation
please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup.  Please do not
direct any queries about this to Garbo moderators.  Kermit is
distributed from the Columbia University.  The support person there
is Frank da Cruz [e-mail].

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability
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In article <35upim$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <35qtj3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
>writes:
>> : zmodem is a lot faster for the turnkey user.
>> Agreed.  Kermit is not for the turnkey user, unless the user is
>> unusually patient.  Creating the three-line ".kermrc" file is
>> essential for reasonable throughput with kermit.
>>
>Matter of preference.  If by "turnkey user" you mean somebody who wants a
>file transfer to either be fast or else fail, you're right.  On the other
>hand, if a turnkey user is someone who wants a transfer to work out of the
>box, even if it is slow, then I'd say Kermit is the ticket.

Okay then, an idea for a future release: have a "set transfer fast" and
"set transfer robust" (or the moral equivalent) option: the former will
work as fast as possible over a reliable 8-bit clean link, and the
latter is the current situation.  This is similar to the current
situation, but requires less knowledge/guesswork on the part of the "I
just want to run this thing" user.  (As to the exact command to use,
try for something that will be somewhat self-apparent in the online
help.)

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Dumb question...
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
> In article <35ktea$[e-mail]>,
> Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>>In article <35k8j5$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>> In article <35ghag$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>     Y'know what?  There ought to be...  I've been using C-Kermit on my
>     Unix account for a while, now.  Though I don't use most of its
>     features (I use it as a remote only), I've noticed in glancing
>     through the docs that it has a more powerful script language, and
>     some other features that MS-Kermit lacks.  I could use those
>     features (especially the script language) on my PC.  What gives?
>     DOS won't support them (it would figure :-/ )?  The expanded Kermit
>     wouldn't run on a poor old XT with floppy drives like mine?
>
>                         Jeff
----------
    Vaguenes Jeff, so vague. MS-DOS Kermit should run just fine on
your XT if it has enough memory (512KB is more than enough); floppy
based is ok too if you don't mind the delays.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Bernard Chen)
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i just compiled cku190 for my machine (sonynews, although i don't know
if that matters), and tried dialing with the same .kermrc as i was
using with cku189.  the modem is a microcom.  i keep getting an error:
TIMEOUT in initializing modem.  i didn't copy down the exact error
message, but it was a TIMEOUT in initializing the modem.  this
initialization string should work with the modem, since it works fine
with cku189.  would anyone have any ideas why this isn't working?

bern
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability
Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:27:33 GMT
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In article <36a12c$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken
Pizzini) writes:
> Okay then, an idea for a future release: have a "set transfer fast" and
> "set transfer robust" (or the moral equivalent) option: the former will
> work as fast as possible over a reliable 8-bit clean link, and the
> latter is the current situation.  This is similar to the current
> situation, but requires less knowledge/guesswork on the part of the "I
> just want to run this thing" user.
>
Au contraire -- today's user does not want to learn any commands, and is
no more likely to stumble upon this one than any other.

This is sad, because the slick software industry has put forward the
idea that all one needs to do is click on something and the magic is
unleashed, which is completely untrue and misleading in the case of
communications software.  They raise the expectations of users unreasonably
high.  There is no way that communications software can know what is going
on outside the computer, and I maintain that there is no way that it can
even test for this in a nonobtrusive, nondestructive fashion.

At some point, the user has to learn something, at least when things don't
work.  So yes, maybe you have a point.  Maybe Kermit should be tuned for
"damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead", and then it would fail about half
the time, and then the user would be forced to look stuff up in the
documentation and learn about the things that every user must know in order
to communicate successfully in a diverse or hostile environment.

Or not.  More likely they would be so angry and frustrated that they would
just give up.  Which is worse?

I think that those of us on this newsgroup are capable of entering the
two or three commands needed to make Kermit transfers default any way we
want them to.  The question is what the DEFAULT defaults should be for
somebody who doesn't know anything and swallows the hype.  I think the
conservative ones are still the most appropriate.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: initialization string
Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:36:56 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Bernard Chen) writes:
> i just compiled cku190 for my machine (sonynews, although i don't know
> if that matters), and tried dialing with the same .kermrc as i was
> using with cku189.  the modem is a microcom.  i keep getting an error:
> TIMEOUT in initializing modem.  i didn't copy down the exact error
> message, but it was a TIMEOUT in initializing the modem.  this
> initialization string should work with the modem, since it works fine
> with cku189.  would anyone have any ideas why this isn't working?
>
As you know, C-Kermit 5A(190) is in Beta test.  You should send bug
reports straight to me.  In this case, I would have asked you to collect
a debug log ("log debug", makes a big file called debug.log) and email
it to me.

Here's another thing you can do.  First, run C-Kermit 5A(189), tell it
to "set dial display on", and give a dial command.  Watch what happens.
Better still, record it in a typescript.  Then do the same with 190.
Then look at the typescript and see if you can dope out what is different.
Send me the typescript by email.  If I can't figure it out from the type-
script, then we can go to the big debug log.

Also, bear in mind that I don't have a Microcom modem, so this debugging
might have to be carried out by "remote control".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Thanks to Frank for his explanation.

Last night I was doing some more testing with the same Kermit programs, the
same test files, the same PC, the same telnet server, and a different Unix
host.  When I configured the host to unprefix 255, uploads caused retries.
When I prefixed 255 the retries went away.
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Doug Fraser)
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Subject: Re: Kermit via tn3270
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In article <36481e$[e-mail]>,
Philip Wirtz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I use MSDOS Kermit on a PC-compatible machine to emulate a VT100 when
>connecting (over a modem) to a Sun running Solaris.  I can upload,
>download, and "transparent print" without problem.  When logged on to the
>Sun, I use tn3270 to connect to an IBM mainframe running VM/CMS.  As an
>alternative route to the IBM mainframe, I can use MSDOS Kermit to dial up
>through a 7171 protocol emulator.  I have no problem using Kermit to
>upload, download, or transparent print when I use the ALTERNATIVE route to
>the IBM mainframe (i.e., dialing up through the 7171).  However, when
>using the tn3270 route (which of course bypasses the 7171), I cannot
>upload, download or transparent print.  Speculatively, it appears that
>escape sequences are not being properly passed to the Sun (and therefore
>to my PC), so (for example) the PC Kermit does not know that it needs to

a 7171 looks like a local 3274 type control unit to the ibm mainframe and
translate the special 3270 type control characters to the async terminal
connectedt to it.  tn3270 does the same thing however, the 7171 has
already translated the characters.

To use tn3270, you have to connect to something like a 8232 (I can't
remember if this is the right number) or a BTI box.  There is associated
tcp software on the ibm mainframe.

The 7171 does not have associated software on the mainframe as it does
the necessary translation inside.

Doug Fraser
(use the above answer as if I hadn't worked hands on with mvs for three
years)

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From: [e-mail] (Jong-Yul Cha)
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Subject: [Q] Initializing kermit
Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:41:01 GMT
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I mostly use kermit to get a slip connection via 14.4K modem.
Is it possible to put the dialing number and prefix (such as
atdt 123-4567) into the initializing file (mskermit.ini or
.kermrc) to have an automated call?  Thank you.


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Davidsen)
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Subject: Re: FTP for Current MS-DOS Kermit?
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If you want to make some money you can start trying to collect from
these CD publishers, but if you want to keep Kermit spreading you better
let people spread the programs any way they can, and *sell* the manuals.
Actually I thought you did that anyway.

People tend to use zmodem over Kermit because it has so many old
versions out there. The latest version may outperform zmodem in some
test or other, but when calling another system chances are that the
speed will be poor because one end didn't set left handed sliding
hexadecimal escape packets or some such.

The next enhancement to Kermit better be teaching it to configure
itself, because the current version has enough bells and whistles to
tune to discourage the business person who just wants it to work.

I get little consulting calls fairly frequently to tune complex stuff,
and the only thing which brings in more calls than getting Kermit to
really fly is Telebit modems.

I think you should make your money from leting these people go and
selling the manuals and a CD with the latest versions of every Kermit
version you have. I don't speak for other UNIX users, but I certainly
would buy a reasonably priced Kermit snapshot once a year. I'd probably
even put a stack on the corner of my table at the next computer show if
I could buy for a few bucks off in small quantity, and I bet clubs would
order copies too.

I respect what you are trying to do here, but I seriously believe that
you don't have a clear marketing plan here. Set up an "official Kermit
Answer Center" with a 950 area code and charge a small fee. You may not
be as much fun as phone sex, but I bet you can make a buck at it!
--
Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy
    "Pain builds moral fiber"  -my dad
    "Pain hurts"  -me

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] Initializing kermit
Date: 28 Sep 1994 00:04:57 GMT
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In article <36aaid$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Jong-Yul Cha) writes:
> I mostly use kermit to get a slip connection via 14.4K modem.
> Is it possible to put the dialing number and prefix (such as
> atdt 123-4567) into the initializing file (mskermit.ini or
> ..kermrc) to have an automated call?  Thank you.
>
Of course.  I'd recommend something like this.  Create a DOS Batch
file, say SLIP.BAT, that starts up Kermit for SLIP, something like:

  kermit -f slip.scr

And then the SLIP.SCR file would contain the needed Kermit commands,
which depend on your modem and so on.  But, as you know, this is only
the first step.  Now you need to exit from Kermit, leaving the connection
open, and then start your SLIP8250 or ETHERSLIP driver, and then start
Kermit again to actually use the SLIP connection (or you can start any
other TCP/IP application that uses SLIP).  You should not start the
packet driver from the Kermit prompt, because that will result in
fragmented memory, and you might not be able to load other applications
after that.

- Frank



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From: [e-mail] (Tom Mendenhall)
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Subject: transmit command 7 bit only?
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I am trying to send a file with the transmit command. The diacritic
characters are being replaced with "b" characters. Due to limitations
with the host software, this is the only method I can use. Does anyone
know if transmit is limited to 7 bits or is there some other reason
why this is happening.

Thanks,
Tom Mendenhall
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: transmit command 7 bit only?
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In article <36aclk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tom
Mendenhall) writes:
> I am trying to send a file with the transmit command. The diacritic
> characters are being replaced with "b" characters. Due to limitations
> with the host software, this is the only method I can use. Does anyone
> know if transmit is limited to 7 bits or is there some other reason
> why this is happening.
>
You did not say which Kermit program you are using.  Assuming it is
MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit...  Terminal connections -- including the
TRANSMIT command, which uses the terminal connection to upload a file
as if you were typing it -- are 7 bits by default.  This is explained
repeatedly in the documentation.  The reason is that many hosts and
services use parity, but the poor user doesn't know it, and if terminal
connections were 8 bits by default, users would see garbage on their
screens.

To use 8-bit text in a terminal session, you must do two things:
(1) Tell Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8, and (2) set up the
appropriate character-set translations.

Please read the chapter on International Character Sets in the appropriate
manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit".

- Frank

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Is there a windows version of PC Kermit? I have qmodem Pro and
the Kermit protocol doesn't work with the UNIX machines..


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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
Date: 27 Sep 1994 23:30:29 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The notice
>says, amongst other things, a person/organization can't redistribute
>the Columbia material for profit etc without prior clearance. That
>seems to be very reasonable to me.
>    Guess what's lacking about the Simtel CDROM distribution
>process.

The part that I don't understand is how the CDROM distribution is
somehow different from the profit made by the internet providers
and phone companies when someone arranges to ftp the files directly
from Columbia. The only difference from this end is that you have
a choice about the CDROMs and for most people it is a cheaper alternative.
Since the CDROM distributers don't attempt to restrict your access
by other means or prevent futher redistribution of the contents they
are clearly selling the service of distribution in the same sense
that the phone companies do.  If either distribution makes a profit
it is only indirectly related to the content.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Tim O'Connor)
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Subject: Re: Just Say "RTFM" To Documented Kermit Questions
Date: 28 Sep 1994 05:28:50 GMT
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

>  2. It will answer most of your questions -- we put a lot of work into
>     it -- hundreds of examples, step-by-step instructions, illustrations,
>     tables, appendices, tutorials, glossaries, a comprehensive index.

... and the hard work shows on every page.

The first chapter in the MS Kermit book alone is worth the price.  I get
a steady parade of lost souls at my door, some of them terrified of their
modems and utterly confused about how a file gets from Point A to Point B.
In every case but one, I have been able to explain how things work by
pulling the book off the shelf and reviewing the pictures in the first
chapter.  (The one exception was a lost cause!)

--tim o'connor

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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251 Mercer St., New York, NY 10012                  Fax: [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Terje Mathisen)
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I wrote my own Kermit implementation from scratch about 10 years ago, using
just the protocol spec. A couple of years later I extended it with sliding
window and large packets, whereupon I finally added the obvious extension
of allowing a selective set of control chars to be unquoted.

I've noticed that this capability is now included in CKermit, and I would
like to make my program compatible with the standard.  (I assume this is
implemented as a single feature bit in the capability mask, plus a list
of characters to not quote, probably in the form of a bitset.)

Where can I find the current (190) protocol spec?

-Terje


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Huggins)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-Kermit 3.13, TCP/IP, and PPP dial-in
Date: 28 Sep 1994 14:36:54 GMT
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My local university runs a dial-in port which accepts PPP dial-ins.
I'm trying to figure out how to get my MS-Kermit 3.13 to interface
with PPP.

I see from the MS-Kermit book that there are a number of
'set tcp/ip' commands that can be issued.  I'm also rather new at this
stuff (I've only used MS-Kermit in the 'usual' asynchronous mode
until now), so I'm a little unclear as to what I need to do to
get my PPP dial-in package to work with Kermit TCP/IP support.

Anyone out there doing this type of thing themselves?  I'd ask
clearer questions but as yet I don't know what I don't know.


--
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                          [e-mail]
"You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."
(PGP key available upon request)                             W. Bingham Hunter

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Windows Kermit?
Date: 28 Sep 1994 14:38:17 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Robert S. Dangel) writes:
> Is there a windows version of PC Kermit? I have qmodem Pro and
> the Kermit protocol doesn't work with the UNIX machines..
>
The only full-function version of Kermit for Windows is MS-DOS Kermit,
currently version 3.13.  It is a Windows-aware DOS application.  Until
and unless we are able to create a native Windows version with anywhere
near the same degree of functionality, we recommend and support MS-DOS
Kermit for use with Windows.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary mode,
file msvibm.zip.

- Frank

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From: Chris Milton <[e-mail]>
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Has anyone written a newer QL-Kermit for the
Sinclair Quantum Leap computer?
The QL-Kermit versions available from kermit.columbia.edu
use proprietary versions of BCPL and C, and
have few of the currently supported features
found in C-Kermit and MS-Kermit.

Christopher Milton  [e-mail]
BA, linguistics, Macalester College, 1989   Work  [phone]
Arlington (VA) Central Library/Circulation/Reserves
My other cumputer {is,will be} a Sinclair QL, eh.




From [e-mail] Wed Sep 28 15:59:00 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: FTP Mirror Sites and CDROMs
Date: 28 Sep 1994 15:59:00 GMT
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Dear friends,

I suppose I knew that this newsgroup would not last more than a week
before it deteriorated into a hot debate over software distribution
policies.  I have received numerous personal message to the effect of
"you are shooting yourself in the foot", "please reconsider!", "why
don't you charge for support?", "why don't you set up a 900 number?",
etc etc.  I don't have time to respond to each of these personally,
so I trust their senders are reading this.

The idea of this newsgroup is to exchange useful information about Kermit
software.  Rather than the developers and tech support people answering
questions on a one-to-one basis (which, of course, we still do), we hoped
that also answering them in a public forum would increase our productivity
and yours -- allowing us to spend less time on tech support and more on
development, since more people would see each question and answer, and
allowing users to see answers to their questions in many cases before they
even asked them.  Meanwhile, we have been working hard on new releases of
all the major Kermit programs, and the last thing we -- or you, dear
readers -- need is to be drawn into yet another endless debate over our
software distribution policies, a debate which has already run its course
many times over on other newsgroups.

Please pay attention to the following points:

NOTHING HAS CHANGED.  There is nothing new going on.  Look at the
copyright notice (this one is from C-Kermit):

  Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of
  New York.  The C-Kermit software may not be, in whole or in part,
  licensed or sold for profit as a software product itself, nor may it be
  included in or distributed with commercial products or otherwise
  distributed by commercial concerns to their clients or customers without
  written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution,
  Columbia University.  This copyright notice must not be removed,
  altered, or obscured.

What does this mean?  It does NOT mean that there cannot be ftp mirror
sites.  There have ALWAYS been ftp mirror sites.  It DOES mean that our
software cannot be SOLD by anyone without our permission.  This is nothing
more than common sense.  When the proprietor of a particular ftp site
posts a public message saying "Due to Columbia's restrictive prohibitions
we are removing all Kermit software from our server", think about what
they are really saying: "Because Columbia University won't let us copy
their copyrighted software, without their permission, onto our CDROM which
we sell, we are taking it off our ftp server, which also serves as the
master for our CDROM."  Quite honestly, and with no intention of offending
any particular, this means that they are not willing or able to set up
special procedures for making CDROMs that are not wholesale copies of
their ftp directories.

We have not asked ANYBODY to remove Kermit software from their ftp sites.

But, as I have stated repeatedly, if you get Kermit software from one of
these ftp mirror sites, and you have problems with it, it is very likely
going to be difficult for us to help you with your problems because we
have no control over those sites and we do not know, and do not have the
time to learn, which files, which versions, are there and how they might
have been reorganized, renamed, or edited, and even if we discover
problems with the Kermit software at these sites, we have no way to
correct them, and even if we did, it would be a waste of our time.

If, however, you get Kermit software from Columbia by ftp or by mail
order, then we can help you because we KNOW what we have, and if there are
mistakes we can correct them.

Thus, we RECOMMEND that if you are ftp'ing Kermit software from somewhere,
that somewhere should be kermit.columbia.edu.

This is not to say that some of the ftp sites, such as Garbo and Simtel
(which I have never had the time to check out personally, because I have
too many other, higher-priority demands on my time), are not 100% faithful
and up-to-date and perhaps even carry some added value.  If you find an
ftp site other than Columbia that you can trust, fine -- use it.  But
before you come to us for help, make sure the problems you are
experiencing were not introduced at the mirror site.

Now, about CDROMs...  No, you can't put our software on a CDROM and sell
it without our permission, period.  You can't put ANYBODY'S copyrighted
software on a CDROM and sell it without permission of the copyright
holder.

They key word here is "permission".  Just ask.  We'll discuss it and see
how mutually beneficial terms can be arranged.  And in fact that is exactly
what is happening in numerous cases, including with Garbo and Simtel, and
some of the Linux distributors, etc.  We don't need to flood the airwaves
with inflammatory postings based upon incomplete knowledge.

Just remember that without an agreement that is beneficial to both the
CDROM maker and Columbia, the CDROM maker gets the money and we get the
extra work, AND we lose income we might otherwise have had.

I appreciate the many suggestions about how we can make the money we need,
but we already know our options.  Please remember that Kermit software
comes from a University and our "business" operates under constraints that
you are not familiar with, and you don't need to be.

As an end-user, you can get Kermit software, with quality control, with
support, all free (unless of course you elect to purchase the
documentation, which we view as a good investment -- it saves you time,
gives you quick access to all the features of the software, frees up our
time for more productive work, and helps pay for our continued development
and support efforts).

As an entrepreneur, however, if you want to make money from our work, you
have to give something back, and you have to discuss this with us and
reach an agreement before you can go ahead.

If there are still people who believe that we should place no restrictions
on the commercial redistribution of our software, just remember the story
of the goose that laid the golden egg.  I would like to think that there
are people who would like to see the Kermit effort continue, and these
people have to understand that we need to fund our work, and we want to do
this in the way that is least painful and offensive to the END USER.

If, however, these constant attacks on our policies continue, forces will
eventually come into play that will compel us to take a more rigid stance,
or shut down altogether, and everybody will lose.  So please, let us run
our own "business", use our software in good health, and let's put this
newsgroup back as it was last week -- a forum for the exchange of useful
information.

Thanks.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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In article <36arh5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>The notice
>>says, amongst other things, a person/organization can't redistribute
>>the Columbia material for profit etc without prior clearance. That
>>seems to be very reasonable to me.
>>    Guess what's lacking about the Simtel CDROM distribution
>>process.
>
> The part that I don't understand is how the CDROM distribution is
> somehow different from the profit made by the internet providers
> and phone companies when someone arranges to ftp the files directly
> from Columbia.
    <part omitted>
> Les Mikesell
>   [e-mail]
--------
    The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs.
The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific
browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but
the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much attraction.
That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others
and covered by copyright restrictions.
    BBS operators making a profit offering the programs would be much
the same as the CDROM case, in my view.
    Internet service providers are selling time on their wires,
irrespective of the files or programs used at the other end of the wire.
    The copyright restriction says you can't make money selling our
product without our permission.
    Guess who is going to all kinds of trouble to ensure that the programs
remain free?
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Newer QL-Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]> Chris
Milton <[e-mail]> writes:
> Has anyone written a newer QL-Kermit for the
> Sinclair Quantum Leap computer?
> The QL-Kermit versions available from kermit.columbia.edu
> use proprietary versions of BCPL and C, and
> have few of the currently supported features
> found in C-Kermit and MS-Kermit.
>
Not to my knowledge.  And knowing nothing about the QL,
I'd recommend -- if it does not have a restrictive memory
architecture and if it does have a C compiler -- adapting
C-Kermit.  If anybody is interested in pursuing this,
get in touch with me and I'll help get you started.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Solved Kermit download problem, sort of
Date: 28 Sep 1994 17:46:28 GMT
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Roland Kwee <[e-mail]> writes:
>  ... I reduced the packet size all the way down to 500
> bytes and 1 window. No problem for a file up to 1.2 MB sofar, and a
> throughput of 1029 cps. (on a 14.4KB V.42b connection). It seems to be a
> problem of buffer overflow, either in the remote cisco terminal server,
> or in the remote modem.
>
As you may know, Cisco terminal servers (certain models) support hardware
flow control in one direction only,  In any case, they must be configured
to use it, and so must the attached modem.

> By the way, on the cisco, I do a 'terminal download', on the remote
> Sun, I don't use stty to set crtscts, and the remote Kermit (189)
> says 'no modem signals available'.
>
Right -- it's on a pty.  Since you are coming in through a terminal server,
you should also tell the remote Kermit to "set flow none" since TCP/IP is
handling the flow control.

> Here is my question. What do you know about the packet size used by
> between the modems? This may be factor both in preventing buffer overflow
> at the remote cisco, and in the ultimate throughput. Using a small packet
> size less than 500 bytes, but just filling a modem block might be just
> very efficient. And the difference in result between my 200 and 250 byte
> packet size may be caused by the modems too.
>
Maybe -- you have many factors in play here: two modems, the serial side
of the terminal server, the configuration of the two modems, the
configuration of the terminal server port, the network side of the
terminal server, the telnet server on the host, the pty driver on the
host, etc -- you could spend a week or two trying to pin down exactly
where the bottleneck is.  And then you would know about only one
connection (on a given day!) out of an infinite number of possible
connections.

> So far, in the Kermit books, the issue of the terminal server is
> mentioned in passing, and the issue of the block protocol between the
> MNP5 and V42b modems not at all.
>
There is not much point in second-guessing the modems.  A detailed study
of the various MNP levels (at least ten at last count), V.42 and V.42bis,
and their interaction with the various modulation techniques as
implemented in a wide variety of chips from different manufacturers, as
programmed and packaged by an even wider variety of manufacturers, and the
specific interactions of modem A with modem B over a connection with
particular characteristics (noise, etc), transmitting a particular type of
data, would reveal very little that could be applied in the general case.
Even to the extent that MNPx and V.y are standards, their particular
implementation -- and variable parameters -- are completely unpredictable
from modem to modem, and from PROM version to PROM version in the same
modem make and model.  Some modems even have... bugs.

> Another, related issue, is that there are rumours that the modems
> actually connect SYNCHRONOUSLY.  They don't transmit the start and stop
> bits. As a result, the theoretical 100 percent throughput of a 14.4KB
> modem is not 1440 cps, but 1800 cps. Do you know anything about this?
>
Yes, the higher modem standards do this.  But the serial interfaces, in and
out, are still asynchronous, 10 bits per character.  And there is some
overhead to synchronous connections too, though generally far less than the
20% overhead added by start & stop bits.  Plus the overhead added by the
HDLC-like error-correction protocols used by V.42, etc.

> Another issue that may be very important, but is not in the Kermit books,
> is what I call the size of the pipeline. With a packet size of p, and
> window size of w, there is a maximum of p times w bytes at any given
> instant in buffers between the two kermits. I guess that if my
> system administrator says that I should reduce the blocksize to 1000
> to prevent problems with the cisco, I should make p * w < 1000.
>
Correct.  But most modern Kermit programs will take care of this
themselves automatically, after the first few buffer overflows.  But of
course, you can get better performance if you set the optimal limit
beforehand, assuming you can find out what it is, and then it doesn't
change out from under you during the course of the transfer.

> If the flow control is not perfect between all components between
> the two kermits, those kermits maintain their own handshake with the
> ACK packets. To be absolutely safe, I should find the smallest buffer
> and keep p * w smaller than that buffer. And that buffer could well
> be the block size used by the modems.
>
Or any other limiting device.

> Sorry for my rambling style, but I am very excited that after so many
> months of struggling I finally get good results.
>
While it is sometimes helpful to understand the issues in elaborate
detail, in the final analysis there are limitations on every connection,
and the limitations apply to all protocols that want to use it.  The
easiest way to cope with a difficult connection is to (a) first, ensure
that you have the most effective possible means of flow control in effect
at every juncture of the connection, and then (b) conduct a few
experiments regarding packet length and window size, and use whatever
combination results in the highest throughput.

If the efficiency is still really bad, and it is a connection that will be
used a lot, it makes sense to devote some time to isolating and clearing
the bottleneck.  In a connection like this one, it is very likely to be
the buffering and/or flow-control capacity of the terminal server.  Over
the past years, I've done detailed evaluations of terminal servers and
found just about every one of them lacking in some crucial area: flow
control and/or buffer size and/or transparency.  There is also a tendency
for newer modems to be buggy, and there is also a good chance that your
line is noisy -- if your modem has a "retrain" light, keep an eye on it.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Les Moss)
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In article <35rc73$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
>Subject: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped)
>Date: 22 Sep 1994 07:37:07 GMT

>>I recently got a new PC. I transferred Kermit and all the scripts
>>it uses from my old to my new system.
>[......]
>>On my old system (286, EMS, 16550A) this worked perfect. On my
>>new system (486, PCI, EMM386, 16550A) the computer hangs as soon
>>as the line is dropped after filling in all info.


>>Are there any known problems with PCI systems, 16550A's and Kermit?

The problem is probably your I/O chip which incorrectly emulates a
16550 UART.  Here is a description of the problem and a source of fixes:

SMC 37C665 SUPER I/O CONTROLLER SERIAL PORT FAILURES 3-22-94

An incompatibility has been discovered between the Standard Microsystems
Corporation FDC37C665 Super I/O controller serial port and various
communication programs and serial port drivers.

DESCRIPTION OF PROBLEM

The SMC part powers up in the 16450 UART non-FIFO mode and is later
programmed by serial port drivers or communication programs "on the fly" to
operate in the 16550 UART mode with FIFOs.  If data has been received while
in the 16450 mode (be it power up garbage or valid data), it gets placed
into a holding buffer and the character pending bit of the status register
gets set.  Once the FDC37C665 is put in 16550 mode the holding register and
character pending status bit cannot be cleared.  Communication applications
see the bit set in the status register and begin reading the FIFO in an
attempt to empty it and clear the status bit.  The result is the status
register never gets cleared and the communication application is stuck in a
loop trying to clear it.

END USER IMPLICATIONS

Potentially, any application or driver that makes use of the serial port
FIFOs may exhibit this failure symptom.  Failures have been reported by
users running Microsoft Windows For Workgroups V3.11 TERMINAL.EXE
application with an external modem attached to the on-board serial port.
One failing scenario starts when the PC system is powered-up prior to the
modem being powered up and invalid characters get placed into the 16450
holding register.

The problem has also been reported when running Microsoft Windows V3.1 and
using a printer connected to the serial port.  The system experiences a
"lock -up" condition.

The problem can also show up while running DOS based communication programs
such as Procomm+ or Crosstalk.

SOLUTION

There are drivers available that allow error free operation in Windows for
Workgroups, Windows 3.1, and DOS .  The "new" drivers simply clear the 16450
holding register prior to switching from the 16450 mode to the 16550 mode.
There is no performance degradation experienced when using the "new"
drivers.  Please refer to the following description of the drivers.  These
drivers have been through regression testing and are known to be "robust".
They are available on the Intel BBS (916-356-3600) under file name
SMC_FIFO.EXE (a self-extracting ZIP file).  SMC_FIFO.EXE contains the
following files:

FILE NAME       OPERATING SYSTEM        COMMENTS

README.TXT      N/A                     A copy of this text file.

SERIAL.386      Windows for Workgroups  MS WfW serial port driver.
SERIAL.TXT      N/A                     Install instructions for SERIAL.386.

COMM.DRV        Windows 3.1             MS Win3.1 comm port driver.
COMM.TXT        N/A                     Install instructions for COMM.DRV.

COMS.EXE        DOS                     Executable file to be run prior to
                                        starting DOS communications S/W.
COMS.TXT        N/A                     Readme file for COMS.EXE.


These drivers are also available on the SMC BBS (516-273-4936) and the
Microsoft BBS (206-936-6735) under the following file names:

FILE NAME       OPERATING SYSTEM        COMMENTS

WG1001.EXE      Windows for Workgroups  Self-extracting zip file.  This
                                        driver is currently being shipped
                                        with the OEM versions of WFW.


COMM.ZIP        Windows 3.1


UART550.EXE     DOS                     Self-extracting zip file.  The
                                        file can be added to a batch file
                                        to run prior to running the DOS
                                        communication program.


In the May/June time frame, SMC will release a new stepping of the
component that fixes this problem.  We will use this new stepping of the
component on new product builds when it becomes available.


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability
Date: 28 Sep 1994 16:52:40 -0400
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In article <36a9p5$[e-mail]>,

:This is sad, because the slick software industry has put forward the
:idea that all one needs to do is click on something and the magic is
:unleashed, which is completely untrue and misleading in the case of
:communications software.

Those of us writing and giving away software are doing a good job of
making it easier to use, too. My modem accepts incoming calls and
establishes a connection in the appropriate way, and tells me what it is
while keeping my DTE at 38400 all the time. I have ripped autobauding
code out of my getty and every other program because "magic happens."

:                          They raise the expectations of users unreasonably
:high.

Nope they/we raise the expectations of users *reasonably* high.

:       There is no way that communications software can know what is going
:on outside the computer, and I maintain that there is no way that it can
:even test for this in a nonobtrusive, nondestructive fashion.

You may maintain that, but if Kermit doesn't start negotiating all this
window size and number of windows stuff between modern implementations,
then people will go to some program which does "work right" in most
cases. The idea of sending a "here's the packet size I can talk and my
windows limit, and my install file says eight bit clean" doesn't sound
destructive to me, and currect versions of Kermit smile and send back a
"say what?" message.

:I think that those of us on this newsgroup are capable of entering the
:two or three commands needed to make Kermit transfers default any way we
:want them to.  The question is what the DEFAULT defaults should be for
:somebody who doesn't know anything and swallows the hype.  I think the
:conservative ones are still the most appropriate.

The user community keeps "raising the bar" on ease of use. no one is
complaining about the defaults, they're complaining about having to tune
them instead of having them negotiated. About having to set buffer size
instead of having the program try to get memory and using it well,
instead of using a reasonable rule of thumb instead of "one miniscule
buffer." Have the sender start with three 1k buffers and tune up or down
until a buffer take about 1500-2000ms to send or the error rate goes up.

The way to fund the Kermit support is to make the program less arcane,
have it work right more of the time, and use the saved time to program
improvements. Restricting distribution so average users don't get it
with popular collections is not going to increase usage, and if there is
a user who isn't aware that s/he should get newer versions of
everything, they're hiding.

In the last week you have gotten two major sites to stop distributing
Kermit. You may think the world will beat a path to your ftp site now,
but I bet people will just take another program off the site they know,
or the CD of the collection from that site, and if it's shareware at
least a few will register. Chuck Forsberg (sp?) must be dancing in
glee.

--
Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy
    "Pain builds moral fiber"  -my dad
    "Pain hurts"  -me

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Access/Availability
Date: 28 Sep 1994 22:34:17 GMT
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In article <36cl2o$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Bill Davidsen) writes:
> In article <36a9p5$[e-mail]>,
> ...
> The user community keeps "raising the bar" on ease of use. no one is
> complaining about the defaults, they're complaining about having to tune
> them instead of having them negotiated. About having to set buffer size
> instead of having the program try to get memory and using it well,
> instead of using a reasonable rule of thumb instead of "one miniscule
> buffer." Have the sender start with three 1k buffers and tune up or down
> until a buffer take about 1500-2000ms to send or the error rate goes up.
>
Sure it would be great if we could get it to work automatically every time.
Perhaps I downplayed what it already does automatically.  Packet size and
window size are indeed negotiated, and the actual packet length and window
size varies during the transfer according to prevailing conditions, but
never above the negotiated lengths.

Parity (Even, Odd, or Mark) is discovered automatically by the protocol.

Timers are a bit trickier and need more work to be optimized automatically
on a dynamic basis as conditions change.

Control-character unprefixing cannot be negotiated.  That's because neither
Kermit program knows anything about what boxes are lying between the two
Kermit programs, and so can never say with any certainty that a particular
control character is safe.  You can't send a test pattern either, without
the risk of breaking or hopelessly wedging the connection.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files suspended at Garbo
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
:Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo.  The

The negotiations to resolve the situation between Garbo and Columbia
have now broken down.  The MsKermit material has been permanently
withdrawn from Garbo.  From now on I am anwering no questions
relating to this matter or MsKermit or its availablity.

   All the best, Timo

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Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: [e-mail]   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

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From: [e-mail] (James Jones)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: info utilities and old Kermits
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I use a certain "information utility," and in the past I used a different
one (it cost too much).  I'd love to use Kermit for file transfers to/from
it--end-of-line conversion for text files is a pain--but the utility has
a very old, limited Kermit, and despite repeated pleas has no apparent
intention of upgrading.  Does anyone keep track of what services out
there support up-to-date Kermit file transfer?

    James Jones

Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of
any organization.


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Honeycutt)
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Subject: "Just Send It" mode - possible?
Date: 29 Sep 1994 00:34:28 GMT
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I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading
a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge
receiving it, sends another packet, etc.

Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It"
without the error checking?  Most of our asyn lines on campus
are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with
the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster.

(BTW, the person who established this newsgroup had a good idea).

Mike Honeycutt  UNC Asheville University Computing  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible?
Date: 29 Sep 1994 01:47:53 GMT
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In article <36d22k$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Honeycutt)
writes:
> I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading
> a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge
> receiving it, sends another packet, etc.
>
> Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It"
> without the error checking?  Most of our asyn lines on campus
> are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with
> the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster.
>
No.  Noise is not the only reason for having packets with error-checking
and sequencing information.  I'd go into detail here, but I'm kind of
tired, and you can read about this in any networking text -- flow control
at various levels, presentation functions, etc.  And don't forget that
errors can occur in many places other than the communication medium --
lost interrupts in a flaky PC, etc.

> (BTW, the person who established this newsgroup had a good idea).
>
I'm beginning to wonder...

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Richard Kooijman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: 16550A, PCI (Was: Computer hangs when line is dropped)
Date: 29 Sep 1994 08:43:37 GMT
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[e-mail] (Les Moss) writes:

>DESCRIPTION OF PROBLEM

>The SMC part powers up in the 16450 UART non-FIFO mode and is later
>programmed by serial port drivers or communication programs "on the fly" to
>operate in the 16550 UART mode with FIFOs.  If data has been received while
>in the 16450 mode (be it power up garbage or valid data), it gets placed
>into a holding buffer and the character pending bit of the status register
>gets set.  Once the FDC37C665 is put in 16550 mode the holding register and
>character pending status bit cannot be cleared.  Communication applications
>see the bit set in the status register and begin reading the FIFO in an
>attempt to empty it and clear the status bit.  The result is the status
>register never gets cleared and the communication application is stuck in a
>loop trying to clear it.

In my case Kermit started up just fine, apparently using the chips in FIFO
mode, run a script, hung up the line and then failed.
It seems to me that after the hang-up Kermit is reinitializing the ports
all over again without testing first while the chips were already in FIFO mode.

BTW Kermit 3.14 (I got a beta version to test and they asked me not
to distribute, so don't ask) works fine, but I don't understand Joe's remarks
that only 2x4 cures helped. I don't think this is such a big problem with
the chips.

>There are drivers available that allow error free operation in Windows for
>Workgroups, Windows 3.1, and DOS .  The "new" drivers simply clear the 16450
>holding register prior to switching from the 16450 mode to the 16550 mode.

Is it just me or is this a wise thing to do anyway?
You'll lose a character I guess but you are switching modes and not picking
up on an existing communication.
BTW why doesn't the computer (or chips) come back to the living when
a character arrives that CAN be retrieved?

>They are available on the Intel BBS (916-356-3600) under file name
>SMC_FIFO.EXE (a self-extracting ZIP file).  SMC_FIFO.EXE contains the
>following files:

Could somebody place these files up for ftp somewhere?
Please, please.

>In the May/June time frame, SMC will release a new stepping of the
>component that fixes this problem.  We will use this new stepping of the
>component on new product builds when it becomes available.

I purchased my computer and card in September. I can't imagine my supplier
has a backlog of old components (or they are buying them cheap), so has there
been a delay in getting these new components out?

Thanks for the info!


Richard.

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
:    The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs.
:The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific
:browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but
:the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much attraction.
:That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others
:and covered by copyright restrictions.

Partly, but it is much more than that.  For example SimTel (and
Garbo if we'll have a CDROM) sell the directory arrangements, the
index files, the huge amount of work done in preselection, the virus
and integrity testing performed on the material.  Of course those
could not exists without the existence of the actual authors'
product, but saying "trading for profit in works copyrighted by
others and covered by copyright restrictions" is far too narrow a
view to this issue as I have tried to point out in private
conversation.

You have all the right to forbid us having your material on our
archives as a result of our material going to CDROMs.  That is
unequivocal, and we abide without a protest in that respect.  But
presenting us as commercially utilizing the work others is
inaccurate and highly oversimplified.  There is a considerable value
added in maintaining and making such colections.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
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From [e-mail] Tue Sep 27 04:00:44 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Tony Lill)
Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup
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>>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> writes:
In article <35n9jm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:


    Frank> In article <[e-mail]>
    Frank> [e-mail] (John Jamulla) writes:
    >> Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line?
    >>
    Frank> Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs.
    Frank> For some the answer is yes, for others it is no.  In UNIX,
    Frank> of course, the answer is no.  A fundamental aspect of the
    Frank> UNIX operating system is that when a process exits, all of
    Frank> its open files are closed.  There is no way around it.  But
    Frank> this is not really the question you wanted to ask.

Right answer, but wrong reason. I use a kermit script to automate
dialing up my IP providor on my UNIX box, and then it runs a script to
start up the slip link. When the slip link is up, the is another
process holding the device open, but much to my chagrin, when I exited
Kermit, it went out ot it's way to hang up the modem. What I ended up
doing was at the end ot the shell script that started slip, I grabbed
kermit's pid from the lock file and killed process (after playing with
the lock files so nothing else tried to go for the tty). This left the
device open, and slip running.

It would be nice if there was a cleaner way to exit Kermit without it
hanging up. If someone else is using kermit at the same time my slip
link comes up, they will be most dis-pleased! Now that I've grabbed
the source for C-Kermit 188, maybe I'll hack it in.

--
Tony Lill,                         [e-mail]
President, A. J. Lill Consultants                 [phone]
539 Grand Valley Dr., Cambridge, Ont.    fax/data [phone]

"Welcome to All Things UNIX, where if it's not UNIX, it's CRAP!"

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Exiting kermit without modem hangup
Date: 29 Sep 1994 12:46:27 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Tony Lill) writes:
> It would be nice if there was a cleaner way to exit Kermit without it
> hanging up. If someone else is using kermit at the same time my slip
> link comes up, they will be most dis-pleased! Now that I've grabbed
> the source for C-Kermit 188, maybe I'll hack it in.
>
When Kermit exits (_exit's), all open file descriptors are closed.  In
most UNIX operating systems, if you close a file descriptor on a tty
device, it turns off DTR, either momentarily or until the next open, thus
causing any attached modem to hang up unless it has been configured to
ignore DTR.  If you are able to prevent that from happening by having
another process use the same file descriptor, fine, but I can't swear that
this will work in all UNIX implementations -- any close vs last close, etc.

What you might be experiencing is a hangup due to Kermit sending the *modem*
command to hang up: <sec>plus-plus-plus<sec>ATH0<cr>.  To defeat this, all
you need to do is tell Kermit to "set dial modem-hangup off".

- Frank

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again
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Yes, indeed, some sites like Garbo and Simtel add value to their
collections by adding an index, or scanning for viruses, or packaging
the files up in different ways, before copying them to CDROM.

But I'm willing to bet that the majority of CDROMs out there are nothing
more than get-rich-quick schemes.  Start up gopher in the evening, come
back in the morning, copy everything that came in to a tape, take it to a
fulfillment house that will cut 1000 CDROMs from it for a dollar each,
then advertise them for sale at $20 per.  Anybody can do it.

How do we tell the difference?  Even when a company adds value to our
product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours?

Finally, once again and for the last time:  We, Columbia University,
did not and never have told Garbo, Simtel, or any other site to remove
Kermit software from their archives.  These sites elected to remove
Kermit software for their own reasons, having nothing to do with our
policy -- or lack thereof -- toward ftp mirror sites.

I posted a long message about this yesterday, explaining our position in
detail, but Keith Peterson (of Simtel) was kind enough to point out that I
had mistakenly capitalized "World" in the Distribution field, and so many
sites might have rejected it, since the planets did not match.  I hesitate
to post it again lest the embers be fanned again into flames.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >   Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2
: >
: > MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to
: > work with BNU loaded on COM2:.
: >
: > Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way?
: -------------
:     If it works then the answer is no problem. Be sure to tell MSK
: to use a BIOS serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1..4) rather than the hardware
: port (COMx) so there will be no bus wars about hardware ownership. Your
: example suggests that you told Kermit to use the hardware, which it is
: able to do better than Fossil drivers. Since MSK tries to restore hardware
: to its pre-use state (but leaves DTR high and the speed where Kermit last
: used it, etc) you probably got away with stealing the port from BNU; no
: guarantees that this always works.
:     The BNU docs should say that all applications should use it via
: Bios serial port Int 14h functions. I don't know if they do.

Hmm, I'll check with David Nugent (BNU author) about it, as SET PORT BIOS 2
hasn't worked for me when BNU was loaded.

BTW, MS-Kermit has been great for logging modem connect failure diagnostics
when running a bbs.

--
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I can see both sides of this, Columbia U's, and us...  I still mourn the
loss of Kermit from the Net.  However, will the Columbia U's FTP site still
be open?  Do they have a Gopher server up yet?

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brainwave
Surfer) writes:
> I can see both sides of this, Columbia U's, and us...  I still mourn the
> loss of Kermit from the Net.  However, will the Columbia U's FTP site still
> be open?  Do they have a Gopher server up yet?
>
Come on, everybody -- nothing has changed.  Of course Kermit software is
available via ftp, just as it always was.  Once again, for the umpteenth
time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites.

Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier
messages, some of which might not have been delivered.  The two sites who
posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their
archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our
software on CDROM.  There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit
from their ftp sites.  Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with
it.  Our policies have not changed.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo)
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I need some recomendations for ethernet cards for PC's to connect a few
machines to a thin-coax feed which goes to a couple of Unix boxes (AIX,
but that probably doesn't matter).

I've worked with MS-Kermit over Novell Netware on several occassions, but
now I am working in the absence of a PC network medium and would like to
use the thin coax just to Telnet (via MS-Kermit) to the Unix machines.

Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just load
IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? And then, if I understand
correctly, upon knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I
can just go into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX.

If someone can confirm or correct my assumptions here, I would appreciate it.
(Joe maybe?)

-Fozz (D L Barton)

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <36cl2o$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Bill Davidsen) writes:
> In article <36a9p5$[e-mail]>,
>
> :This is sad, because the slick software industry has put forward the
> :idea that all one needs to do is click on something and the magic is
> :unleashed, which is completely untrue and misleading in the case of
> :communications software.
>
> Those of us writing and giving away software are doing a good job of
> making it easier to use, too. My modem accepts incoming calls and
> establishes a connection in the appropriate way, and tells me what it is
> while keeping my DTE at 38400 all the time. I have ripped autobauding
> code out of my getty and every other program because "magic happens."
>
> :                          They raise the expectations of users unreasonably
> :high.
>
> Nope they/we raise the expectations of users *reasonably* high.
>
> :       There is no way that communications software can know what is going
> :on outside the computer, and I maintain that there is no way that it can
> :even test for this in a nonobtrusive, nondestructive fashion.
>
> You may maintain that, but if Kermit doesn't start negotiating all this
> window size and number of windows stuff between modern implementations,
> then people will go to some program which does "work right" in most
> cases. The idea of sending a "here's the packet size I can talk and my
> windows limit, and my install file says eight bit clean" doesn't sound
> destructive to me, and currect versions of Kermit smile and send back a
> "say what?" message.
    May I interject a little reality check here? Thanks.
    You are inventing straw men, those windows things. What you clearly
do not know is the protocol negotiates such items to the maximum common
denominator of both sides. That's exactly what you want isn't it: max
capability, automatically.
    You seem to think that a person can Command a comms channel into
submission ("here's the packet size...eight bit clean") and it will work.
I wish you were correct so we could have less code and commands to give.
As we have been trying to explain, there are situations where one can't
run an automatic check, 8-bit cleanliness being one of them, buffer capacity
being another. Things break outside of the programs, they really do.
    So what's your real complaint?
    Well, I suspect it might be "It doesn't go at warp speed in MY
particular situation right out of the box." Right? Do you ever have to
adjust any comms program at all? No boxes to check, etc? What do you tell
customers when the program doesn't work in their nebulous environment?
    Kermit settings are shipped to work the first time, which I presume
is a worthy goal of any program. Working faster (but one goal, another being
reliably) is available to anyone who reads a few pages and tries things in
their particular enviroment. And we provide the tools and documentation to
cope with a wide variety of "their particular environments", yet you complain
about that.

    Joe D.


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Timo Salmi ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo.  The
: files have not yet been physically deleted, but their read
: permissions have been removed.  For all details of the situation
: please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup.  Please do not
: direct any queries about this to Garbo moderators.  Kermit is
: distributed from the Columbia University.  The support person there
: is Frank da Cruz [e-mail].

I just scanned all the messages on this group -- could not find an
announcement.  Could someone point me to it?

Thanks,

Jeff Bangert, Computer Center, University of Kansas
[e-mail]

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Hi,

  This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do
about it:  Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed).  Is there
anyway to suppress this?   That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET
character?

  The reason I would like to see this is that I use the Ctrl key alot.
I hold down the Ctrl key using my left hand and somtimes press another
character using my right hand (e.g., Ctrl-k).  Then I will move my right
hand and press `enter'.  However, sometimes my left hand has not fully
released the Ctrl key yet and as a result, I get Ctrl-ENTER which Kermit
maps to a ^J.

  This might be a silly issue for most but I find it frustrating.

Thanks,
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question
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In article <36evui$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
>   This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do
> about it:  Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed).  Is there
> anyway to suppress this?   That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET
> character?
>
Type "show key"
Kermit says: "Push key to be shown:"
Push Ctrl-Enter
Kermit says:
Scan code \5386 is defined as
Ascii char: ^J \10

Now you see the scan code and the definition.  Now use SET KEY
to change the definition:

set key \5386 \13

(13 is the ASCII code for carriage return).

Put the "set key" command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file if you always want
this definition in effect.

Do the same thing for any other keys or key combos that you would like
to remap.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier
>messages, some of which might not have been delivered.  The two sites who
>posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their
>archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our
>software on CDROM.  There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit
>from their ftp sites.  Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with
>it.  Our policies have not changed.

Frank, this is not true.  SimTel does NOT sell programs.  The CD-ROMs
provide DISTRIBUTION OF PROGRAMS and the proceeds are used to support
the cost of maintaining the collection and providing a site for them to
be distributed free of charge to users on the Internet.  Without this
income SimTel would cease to exist.

There are 11,000 programs on the CDROMs made from the SimTel collection.
Beaking that down, the cost of distributing each program is US$0.003177.
For those not familar with U.S. currancy, that is 3/10ths of ONE CENT!
It takes 100 cents to make one dollar.

Keith
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    The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or
binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/
--

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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >   Bnu /F+ /L:1=19200 /M- /T=256 /R=4096 /Z2
: >
: > MS-Kermit is quite happy with a simple set port 2 command to
: > work with BNU loaded on COM2:.
: >
: > Are there any pitfalls to using kermit this way?
: -------------
:     If it works then the answer is no problem. Be sure to tell MSK
: to use a BIOS serial port (SET PORT BIOSn, n=1..4) rather than the hardware
: port (COMx) so there will be no bus wars about hardware ownership. Your
: example suggests that you told Kermit to use the hardware, which it is
: able to do better than Fossil drivers. Since MSK tries to restore hardware
: to its pre-use state (but leaves DTR high and the speed where Kermit last
: used it, etc) you probably got away with stealing the port from BNU; no
: guarantees that this always works.
:     The BNU docs should say that all applications should use it via
: Bios serial port Int 14h functions. I don't know if they do.
:     Joe D.

I gave using the BIOS serial port a try, using BNU/I=1+ as David Nugent
suggested.

Kermit didn't like BIOS2 at 19200 bps though...

My original means of operation (leaving BNU loaded and running MS-Kermit
on Port 2) seems to work fine.

--
Arthur Marsh, telephone [phone], fax [phone]
               [e-mail], [e-mail]
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From: Pedro Ferroni <[e-mail]>
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Subject: kermit script
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I have a kermit version that responds

IBM-PC Kermit-MS v2.29b 19 Feb87

1) Should I get a new one ? (and how)
2) How do I find instructions to set up a scrip so i don't have do enter
password, user id, telent unix, etc every time.

Thanks for the info.

Pedro
Westinghouse Pittsburgh
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
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Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible?
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In article <36d6c9$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <36d22k$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Honeycutt)
>writes:
>> I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading
>> a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge
>> receiving it, sends another packet, etc.
>>
>> Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It"
>> without the error checking?  Most of our asyn lines on campus
>> are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with
>> the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster.
>>
>No.  Noise is not the only reason for having packets with error-checking
>and sequencing information.  I'd go into detail here, but I'm kind of
>tired, and you can read about this in any networking text -- flow control
>at various levels, presentation functions, etc.  And don't forget that
>errors can occur in many places other than the communication medium --
>lost interrupts in a flaky PC, etc.

Also with proper settings kermit does not run in the start-stop mode
described by Honeycutt.  As I understand it, that's what the
"set window-size" command deals with -- you can have as many
as 31 unacknowledged packets pending, so the sender has only
a most negligable delay when checking for ACKs (assuming the
transmission is going smoothly).

        --Ken Pizzini

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Date: 29 Sep 1994 21:08:53 GMT
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In article <36f562$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Frank da Cruz) writes:
 : In article <36evui$[e-mail]>
 : [e-mail] writes:
 : >   This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do
 : > about it:  Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed).  Is there
 : > anyway to suppress this?   That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET
 : > character?
 : >
 : Type "show key"
 : Kermit says: "Push key to be shown:"
 : Push Ctrl-Enter
 : Kermit says:
 : Scan code \5386 is defined as
 : Ascii char: ^J \10

This is the obvious thing to do and it is the first thing I thought of.
However, this does not work on my version of MS-Kermit (3.13 patch level 0).
It does not report the scan code for Ctrl-Enter.  It shows:

   Ascii char: ^J  \10 decimal is defined as
   self, no translation.

Was this fixed in a patch?

     _____________
#___/John E. Davis\_________________________________________________________
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:12:13 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Keith
Petersen) writes:
> Frank, this is not true.  SimTel does NOT sell programs.  The CD-ROMs
> provide DISTRIBUTION OF PROGRAMS and the proceeds are used to support
> the cost of maintaining the collection and providing a site for them to
> be distributed free of charge to users on the Internet.  Without this
> income SimTel would cease to exist.
>
> There are 11,000 programs on the CDROMs made from the SimTel collection.
> Beaking that down, the cost of distributing each program is US$0.003177.
> For those not familar with U.S. currancy, that is 3/10ths of ONE CENT!
> It takes 100 cents to make one dollar.
>
Making every effort to clear the air on a cordial note -- and despite the
appearance of a flame war, we're all friends here...

Keith is correct.  I misspoke if I said that Simtel was selling software.
Organizations like Simtel provide a valuable service, provided they do a
good and consciencious job, as (I am sure) Simtel does.  Unfortunately,
in the case of Kermit, which is not shareware, there is a conflict that
can't be resolved easily or at all.  And so we agree that mail-order
distribution of Kermit software on physical media will be done by Columbia,
or by agreement with Columbia, so we can get the income we need to continue
our work.

I admit, 11,000 software programs for a fraction of a cent each is a pretty
good deal!  But as I said earlier (I hate having to use that phrase all the
time) we can't afford to sell Kermit that inexpensively because we not only
distribute the software, we write it, document it, and provide tech support
for it, and these are labor-intensive jobs.

With shareware, it's a different story -- CDROM distributions such as
Simtel's are perfect for shareware.  All the author has to do is write
the software and then sit back and collect money.  However, despite
suggestions from a few people, I don't think the majority of Kermit users
want to see it turned into shareware, and I'm not sure we could do this
even if you wanted us to, and we wanted to.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN UNIX ?
Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:13:33 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul
Davidson) writes:
> The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or
> binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/
>
kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz).

- Frank
x
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit script
Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:18:10 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> Pedro Ferroni
<[e-mail]> writes:
> I have a kermit version that responds
> IBM-PC Kermit-MS v2.29b 19 Feb87
> 1) Should I get a new one ? (and how)
>
Yes.  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin,
binary mode, file msvibm.zip.

> 2) How do I find instructions to set up a scrip so i don't have do enter
> password, user id, telent unix, etc every time.
>
Purchase and read the manual.  It has an entire chapter devoted to script
programming, with plenty of examples (language of your choice):

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $45 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone] (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including
    German-language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price:
    DM 69,00.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG,
    Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. [phone],
    Fax. [phone].

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
    & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
    MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
    diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
    Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question
Date: 29 Sep 1994 22:22:52 GMT
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In article <36fad5$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
>  : ...
>  : Kermit says:
>  : Scan code \5386 is defined as
>  : Ascii char: ^J \10
>
> This is the obvious thing to do and it is the first thing I thought of.
> However, this does not work on my version of MS-Kermit (3.13 patch level
> 0).  It does not report the scan code for Ctrl-Enter.
>
Oops, silly me!  You're right -- I was using the "other" Enter key.
Sorry.

I think this is a bug, and we'll have to fix it in version 3.14.  I'll
check with Joe.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Bo Kullmar)
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I am looking for a good commercial communication package for MS-Windows
with fast kermit functions. I need a kermit that can use larger packages
than 94 bytes.

Any suggestion? (The Kermit server on the other end is C-Kermit 5A(188)).

--Bo Kullmar


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I just upgraded my modem from a PPI 9600 ext. to a Cardinal ext. 14400
fax/modem and can't quite get the setup right since I have not had to deal
with the high speed features before. I find myself having to manually
refresh the screen constantly since about halfway through changing from one
display to another the screen will freeze up and I can get the display back
by doing a ctrl-R and it will be fine for one or two screen changes such as
reading one or two news articles.

I am running c-kermit 5A(190) BETA.23 but have also tried c-kermit 5A(188).
I have tried serveral differant at command configs and still get the  same
results. What am I missing here? If I hook the 9600 back up it works fine.

Any help or pointers via email or post  would be greatly appreciated since
I have gotten totaly frustrated and out of options and I can't figure out if
it is the modem or kermit.

On downloads the most I have been able to get out of the 14400 is 1200cps
but most of the time it is lower with multiple retries.

--
******************************************************************************
Bill West
Houston TX
email: [e-mail]
******************************************************************************

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From: [e-mail] (James Sturdevant)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <36evui$[e-mail]>
: [e-mail] writes:
: >   This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do
: > about it:  Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed).  Is there
: > anyway to suppress this?   That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET
: > character?
: >
[Snip] Advice on redefining keys...

That works on most keys...  Two keys left of the the "dual entry" table are
Ctrl-J/Ctrl-Enter and Esc/Ctrl-[.  I believe that these are the only two (on
standard 101 keyboards) that cannot be independently defined.

JamesS

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit?
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In article <36el10$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo) writes:
>
> I need some recomendations for ethernet cards for PC's to connect a few
> machines to a thin-coax feed which goes to a couple of Unix boxes (AIX,
> but that probably doesn't matter).
>
> I've worked with MS-Kermit over Novell Netware on several occassions, but
> now I am working in the absence of a PC network medium and would like to
> use the thin coax just to Telnet (via MS-Kermit) to the Unix machines.
>
> Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just load
> IPX? Or do I use a different driver software? And then, if I understand
> correctly, upon knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I
> can just go into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX.
>
> If someone can confirm or correct my assumptions here, I would appreciate it.
> (Joe maybe?)
---------
Doran,
    I guess you could have asked me directly. The Kermit Project does
not endorse any network adapter. That's a choice well out of our domain.
Any of the three common driver/handler programs: ODI, NDIS, Packet Drivers,
will work with MS-DOS Kermit (NDIS requires the dis_pkt9 shim). If you
are accustomed to ODI then please remember that IPX is just an ODI client,
just the same as Kermit is, side by side. Please see the distribution
file MSKERM.BWR on kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/a.
        One more thing. Kermit does NOT contain an Ethernet driver.
Consequently the Packet Driver interrupt has no relation with a hardware IRQ
from a board. Kermit will find a Packet Driver all by itself, or you can
force its attention on one interrupt.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
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This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current
discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites.

While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact
that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform,
I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board
systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading
files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend.

Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not
a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners
of zmodem lobbying against it?

Kermit deserves better.

--Roland          email: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>Roland Kwee <[e-mail]> writes:
>>  ... I reduced the packet size all the way down to 500
>> bytes and 1 window. No problem for a file up to 1.2 MB sofar, and a
>> throughput of 1029 cps. (on a 14.4KB V.42b connection). It seems to be a
>> problem of buffer overflow, either in the remote cisco terminal server,
>> or in the remote modem.

(many lines deleted)

Please be informed that my problems seem to be linked to running Kermit
under Linux. When rebooting with DOS on the same hardware, KErmit seems
to be able to download with 1000-byte packets with no problem. Now I am
rather thinking of a problem with Linux instead of with the protocol.

--Roland

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
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Subject: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit:

  Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City
  of New York.  The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared
  without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained,
  except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software
  product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with
  commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to
  their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of
  Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University.

In the process of reviewing programs submitted to the SimTel collection
I have seen many different ways of expressing distribution limitations.
This simple well-worded statement would solve the confrontation between
Columbia, SimTel and Garbo, while keeping the spirit of free distribution
of Kermit.

   You may freely distribute the original [program name] in any way
   you see fit other than selling it.  Users' groups and shareware
   distribution services may charge a reasonable fee for the medium
   and duplication costs.  Bulletin boards may not charge additional
   fees for downloading this specific program, other than normal
   connect-time and/or membership charges.

   You may charge a maximum of US $5 for each disk you sell.  In the
   case of CD-ROM compilations, the selling price is calculated as the
   price of the CD-ROM divided by the number of products on the CD-ROM.
   Thus, in such cases, the price is usually only a few cents.

Keith
--
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General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
Internet: [e-mail]    or      [e-mail]
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                     BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

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From: [e-mail] (Joachim Reinert - AG DVS)
Subject: [Q] Is there a Kermit implemented in BASIC?
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Hi!

I am in need for a file transfer between maschines which are
programmable in BASIC (to be precise Business Basic) only.
The Simtel Collection includes a "receive kermit" which will
serve as a startingpoint. To avoid unecessary lost of sparetime:
Is there a send/receive kermit implemented in BASIC anywhere in
the public domain?

Thanks for any input

Joachim Reinert

--
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fax   : [phone]     P.O. Box 3049
phone : [phone]     67653 Kaiserslautern - Germany
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible?
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In article <36d22k$[e-mail]>,
Mike Honeycutt ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It"
>without the error checking?  Most of our asyn lines on campus
>are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with
>the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster.

    From the help file for MS-Kermit 3.13:

* COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING

Kermit can also transfer files or other information with remote computers,
services, or devices that do not support the Kermit file transfer protocol.
These methods provide no error detection or correction.     Use with caution.

TRANSMIT <filename>
  Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard
  a line at a time.  Waits for linefeed (\10) to echo before sending next
  line.     Uses all current communication settings (parity, flow, etc).
  Doesn't translate character sets.  CRLF is sent as CR only unless SET
  TRANSMIT LINE-FEEDS ON.  Empty lines are sent as pairs of CRs (or CRLFS)
  unless SET TRANSMIT FILL is used.

SET TRANSMIT <parameter> <value>
  Various parameters used to control TRANSMIT command.
  FILL-EMPTY-LINE { NONE, SPACE, <char> }
  LINE-FEEDS-SENT { ON, OFF }
  PAUSE <number> - pause <number> milliseconds after sending each line.
  PROMPT <char> - character to wait for before sending next line (= \10)

LOG SESSION <filename>
  Capture a remote file, which you must TYPE, into the named file
  (SESSION.LOG by default).  Use \Klogoff and \Klogon keyboard verbs to
  stop and restart logging (Ctrl-]Q, Ctrl-]R).

CLOSE SESSION
  Stop capturing and close the session log file.


    There should be commands in the other versions of Kermit similar to
    these.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas V. Myers)
Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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Keith Petersen ([e-mail]) wrote:
> According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia
> University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit.

> SimTel's policy is:

>   Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs
>   offered by several vendors.  If the program submitted should not
>   be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution,
>   it will not be accepted.

> Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit:

>   Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City
>   of New York.  The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared
>   without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained,
>   except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software
>   product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with
>   commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to
>   their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of
>   Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University.

> Because of this restrictive distribution policy all MS-Kermit programs
> and other associated files bearing the Columbia University copyright have
> been removed from SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm).

> Questions and comments should be sent to Columbia, *not* to SimTel.
> The e-mail address is:  [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)

> Keith
> --
> Keith Petersen
> General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
> Internet: [e-mail]    or      [e-mail]
> Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                     BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

That copyright notice has been there for years but Frank makes a comment about
source code on CD-ROMs becoming stale on the shelf and you decide that it's suddenly
time to pull Kermit off your distribution.  Either you don't enforce your policy
except when questioned, or you don't bother to read any of the copyright notices
until somebody asks about them.

--
Tom Myers : [e-mail]

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In article <36d22k$[e-mail]>,
Mike Honeycutt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading
>a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge
>receiving it, sends another packet, etc.
>
>Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It"
>without the error checking?  Most of our asyn lines on campus

   Better yet, how about continuous sending WITH error correction?
Better Kermit programs all support `sliding windows,' which allows the
sender to send a bunch of packets without getting an acknowledgement.
Suitably configured, you can get continuous data flow and a
considerable improvement in speed over the default half-duplex
transfer strategy.

   BTW, Kermit has supported sliding windows since 1986, before
ZModem existed.
            - Tim Kientzle

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT])
Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
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Hello,

[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>[e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer) writes:
>> I can see both sides of this, Columbia U's, and us...  I still mourn the
>> loss of Kermit from the Net.  However, will the Columbia U's FTP site still
>> be open?  Do they have a Gopher server up yet?
>>
>Come on, everybody -- nothing has changed.  Of course Kermit software is
>available via ftp, just as it always was.  Once again, for the umpteenth
>time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites.

>Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier
>messages, some of which might not have been delivered.  The two sites who
>posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their
>archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our
>software on CDROM.  There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit
>from their ftp sites.  Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with
>it.  Our policies have not changed.

What's next ? ftp-os2 (aka Hobbes) ? You know, that's the central
OS/2 software archive, and the domain name id .cdrom.com, which is, one
should have heard, Walnut Creek Software. c-kermit for OS/2 is there, and
(although I have not checked) I assume its on their Hobbes CD either.

Oh, and what's about the freebsd distribution ? It is on CDROM as well,
also from Walnut Creek. CKermit is in there. Will that be removed either ?

I don't think your policy wrt CDROM-Makers is a well thought one. You seem
to require individual negotiations, which by itself is simply not feasible
when putting several thousands of programs on a CD. The administrative
overhead would seem inacceptable.

May I suggest that you decide on some criteria that

- when met automatically allow CDROM distribution
- are made that they cover at least the "classical" internet
  related archive CDs ?

After all its a distribution way like every other, and I pay
orders of magnitude more money to a local Internet provider when
ftping all the stuff than when bying a Walnut Creek CDROM.

Regards

Christoph Weber-Fahr


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--------------------------  My personal opinion only    ---------------------

From [e-mail] Fri Sep 30 12:55:46 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a Kermit implemented in BASIC?
Date: 30 Sep 1994 12:55:46 GMT
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In article <jreinert.780914821@rhein> [e-mail]
(Joachim Reinert - AG DVS) writes:
> I am in need for a file transfer between maschines which are
> programmable in BASIC (to be precise Business Basic) only.
> The Simtel Collection includes a "receive kermit" which will
> serve as a startingpoint. To avoid unecessary lost of sparetime:
> Is there a send/receive kermit implemented in BASIC anywhere in
> the public domain?
>
The following Kermit programs are written in BASIC:

Directory   Files      Comments

kermit/c    lux*.*     Luxor ABC micros, ABC-BASIC-II
kermit/d    rd2*.*     DG 800 RDOS
kermit/c    ta1*.*     Tandy 100
kermit/d    mbf*.*     MAI Basic Four
kermit/d    pic*.*     PICK, DATA/BASIC
kermit/c    hpb*.*     HP-9000 BASIC workstation
kermit/c    hp9*.*     HP-9845 BASIC workstation
kermit/c    hp8*.*     HP86 and HP87

These are on kermit.columbia.edu.  In each of these directories you
will find a listing of all the Kermit programs with a name like
aav???.hlp, which tells the system, OS, language, location, date of
the Kermit program, and where it came from.  The "???" portion of the
name tells how it was sorted.  ???=LNG means programming language.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: stuttering screen display
Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:02:06 GMT
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In article <36fh5m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill
West) writes:
>
> I just upgraded my modem from a PPI 9600 ext. to a Cardinal ext. 14400
> fax/modem and can't quite get the setup right since I have not had to deal
> with the high speed features before. I find myself having to manually
> refresh the screen constantly since about halfway through changing from one
> display to another the screen will freeze up and I can get the display back
> by doing a ctrl-R and it will be fine for one or two screen changes such as
> reading one or two news articles.
>
> I am running c-kermit 5A(190) BETA.23 but have also tried c-kermit 5A(188).
> I have tried serveral differant at command configs and still get the  same
> results. What am I missing here? If I hook the 9600 back up it works fine.
>
These are classic symptoms of a lack of effective flow control.  You have
to tell Kermit to SET FLOW RTS/CTS (if your particular version supports it),
and you also have to configure your modem for RTS/CTS flow control.
x
x I trust that is
x the whole
x answer
x but I still
x have to add
x more lines
x or else
x the answer
x won't be
x posted.
x
- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a Kermit implemented in BASIC?
Keywords: BASIC,Kermit
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In article <jreinert.780914821@rhein> [e-mail] (Joachim Reinert - AG DVS) writes:
>Hi!
>
>I am in need for a file transfer between maschines which are
>programmable in BASIC (to be precise Business Basic) only.
>The Simtel Collection includes a "receive kermit" which will
>serve as a startingpoint. To avoid unecessary lost of sparetime:
>Is there a send/receive kermit implemented in BASIC anywhere in
>the public domain?

That's fastinating!  I'd be interested in following up on this myself,
for I have a friend of mine who was recently made System Administrator
for a company's new unix box.  He knows MS-DOS and Business BASIC as
well, but not unix.  So, he spent his time setting up the system so that
it runs like MS-DOS using programs like Unix WordPerfect 5.1, Lotus, etc.

But when he ordered the Unix, he says he *didn't* order the C compiler,
only Business BASIC!  Now he's asking me how he can transfer files to the
unix system via modem.

I'll download the .BAS file that exists at columbia and send it his way.
I hope he can hack his way through it :-)


Ken
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (R. Stewart Ellis)
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Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es?
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[e-mail] (Roland Kwee) writes:

 >This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current
 >discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites.

 >While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact
 >that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform,
 >I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board
 >systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading
 >files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend.

They all use ancient versions with tiny packets and no sliding windows.

 >Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not
 >a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners
 >of zmodem lobbying against it?

I think the answers are yes, yes, definitely yes.

 >Kermit deserves better.

Probably, but it would help if it were easier to configure for maximum
performance, or if it make more modern assumptions as the default, with a
series of macros included that set for the more pessimistic setups.

 >--Roland          email: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again
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In article <36efjj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

> Yes, indeed, some sites like Garbo and Simtel add value to their
> collections by adding an index, or scanning for viruses, or packaging
...
> But I'm willing to bet that the majority of CDROMs out there are nothing
> more than get-rich-quick schemes.  Start up gopher in the evening, come
...
> How do we tell the difference?  Even when a company adds value to our
> product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours?

Because their work is added in a way which can be reasonably compensated.
Depending on the nature of the complementary work, it may not make any
sense to compensate.  Right now, I'm filling out little Scantron bubbles
for a computing survey.  Someone's going to take that data and generate
a report and make money off of it, without compensating me.  However,
said report may lead to computing technologies which I may want to use.
Should those people who submit you Kermit bug fixes expect a fee?  What
is the fee?  What do you base it on?  Your response seems simplistic.

-Mike

, 11,000 software programs for a fraction of a cent each is a pretty
> good deal!  But as I said earlier (I hate having to use that phrase all the
> time) we can't afford to sell Kermit that inexpensively because we not only
> distribute the software, we write it, document it, and provide tech support
> for it, and these are labor-intensive jobs.

For the amount of work that you put into Kermit,if you do want to keep it
in the context of a Columbia u. "product", have you considred applying
for grant moneys to fund its support?  The FSF accepts grants, and I
don't believe their integrity has been corrupted as a consequence.  Your
model of funding your work seems bent on frustrating people who can do
a better job of distributing your work than you can, which disturbs me.

> With shareware, it's a different story -- CDROM distributions such as
> Simtel's are perfect for shareware.  All the author has to do is write
> the software and then sit back and collect money.  However, despite
> suggestions from a few people, I don't think the majority of Kermit users
> want to see it turned into shareware, and I'm not sure we could do this
> even if you wanted us to, and we wanted to.

You seem to imply that it's so easy for a shareware author to slap
together some random hunk of chicken vomit together and make money.
I'd disagree, and I'd argue that attaching one's name to a piece of
crap can have bad consequences down the road.  The majority of Kermit
users would *want* an international 1-800 # where they could bitch and
moan about their kermit woes to their heart' content, all at the expense
of your people who'd have better things to do.  The majority of the
Kermit users probably would gleefully accept anything which doesn't get
in the way of their acquisition and use of Kermit.  Your policies seem
to get in the way of the users, who might prefer an independent body
doing virus scanning and professional bundling and such.

-Mike


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From: [e-mail] (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
...
>That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others
>and covered by copyright restrictions.
>    BBS operators making a profit offering the programs would be much
>the same as the CDROM case, in my view.
>    Internet service providers are selling time on their wires,
>irrespective of the files or programs used at the other end of the wire.
>    The copyright restriction says you can't make money selling our
>product without our permission.

Joe, what about those .edu sites that may run an FTP archive in conjunction
with a software vendor or as part of a grant, where yes, people are PAID to
run a good FTP archive and have an incentive to gather as much stuff as they
can for it?  And yes, a number of popular archives obtain money that way.


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Christoph Weber-Fahr [KIT]) writes:
> What's next ? ftp-os2 (aka Hobbes) ? You know, that's the central
> OS/2 software archive, and the domain name id .cdrom.com, which is, one
> should have heard, Walnut Creek Software. c-kermit for OS/2 is there, and
> (although I have not checked) I assume its on their Hobbes CD either.
>
Fine, nobody said they could not put it on Hobbes, even though they tend
to be behind the Columbia version and we waste a lot of time answering
questions about this.

> Oh, and what's about the freebsd distribution ? It is on CDROM as well,
> also from Walnut Creek. CKermit is in there. Will that be removed either ?
>
If it is on the Walnut Creek CDROM, it was put there without our permission.
Either they did not read the copyright notice, or they deliberately violated
it.

If it is on ANY CDROM, it is there without our permission, as we have never
yet negotiated a successful agreement with any CDROM distributor.  Read on
and see why (as if I have explained this seventeen times already).

> I don't think your policy wrt CDROM-Makers is a well thought one. You seem
> to require individual negotiations, which by itself is simply not feasible
> when putting several thousands of programs on a CD. The administrative
> overhead would seem inacceptable.
>
> May I suggest that you decide on some criteria that
>
> - when met automatically allow CDROM distribution
> - are made that they cover at least the "classical" internet
>   related archive CDs ?
>
We have been searching for such criteria that are mutually beneficial.
But there is an inherent contridiction here: there is no way the CDROM
companies can afford to pay us anywhere near what we have to charge ourselves
for distributed Kermit software by mail order.  Why?  Because our costs
cover not only ftping stuff and copying it to a CDROM, but also designing,
writing, maintaining, supporting, and documenting the software AND we include
a printed manual.  And conversely, there is no way we can keep the Kermit
effort going on "a fraction of a penny per program".

This discussion would not be taking place if nobody liked or used Kermit
software.  If you like it, if you use it, then please respect tha people
who work so hard to bring it to you.  These people are not the CDROM makers,
they are the programmers and writers who actually produce it and the tech
support people who have been answering your questions on a daily basis for
over a decade.

As I pointed out yesterday (there's that phrase again), CDROMs are great
for distributing shareware, because then everybody wins.  CDROMs are not
great for distributing Kermit software, because the very dynamics of the
process KILL the Kermit effort.  The only way to fight back -- and survive
-- is to change our terms so it is no longer free for everybody to use.
Is that what you want?

- Frank

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Here is an icon that I think suits Kermit well. A very good likeness
of the muppet it is named for. Given to me by Paul T. Krust.

Have fun

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M``````````````````````````````"```"```"`@```@````(``@```@(``
M@("``,#`P````/\``/\```#__P#_````_P#_`/__``#___\`____________
M_______________R____\O__\B__________\B__\B+_\B+___________(B
M+RJJHB(B___R(O\B+__R(B*JJJHB(B(B(B+_\B(B\B*JJJJJHB(B(B(O__\B
M(B(JJJJJJJJB(B(B____(B(BJJJ@``"JJB(B+_____(B*JJ@````"JJB(O__
M____*JJJ``````"JJB________JJH```````"JJO______^JJ@````````"J
MJO______JJ``````````"JJO____^JJ@``JJJJJJ``"JJO___ZJJ``JJJJJJ
MJJH`"JK___^JH`JJJJJJJJJJH`JJ____JJ"JJJJJJJJJJJH*JO___ZJJJJJJ
MJJJJJJJJJJK___^JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ____^JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJK_____^J
MJJJJJJJJJJJJJO______^JJJJJJJJJJJJJ________^KN[JJJJJJN[K_____
M____NPN[JJJJJ[L+__________L`N[JJJJNP"__________[L`NZJJJ[`+O_
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From: [e-mail] (Wolf Paul)
Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Thomas V. Myers) writes:
> Keith Petersen ([e-mail]) wrote:
> > According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia
> > University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit.
>
> That copyright notice has been there for years but Frank makes a comment about
> source code on CD-ROMs becoming stale on the shelf and you decide that it's
> suddenly time to pull Kermit off your distribution.  Either you don't enforce
> your policy except when questioned, or you don't bother to read any of the
> copyright notices until somebody asks about them.

According to Keith's note his decision was based on an e-mail exchange between
him and Frank da Cruz, the contents of which you are presumably not fully
aware of, and not just on "a comment" about whatever.

I would like to point out two important aspects which seem to get forgotten
frequently:

1. Until about a year ago, SIMTEL was an operation of the US Military, and
   was run strictly as an FTP archive. There was no collection copyright, no
   policies enforced at all as to CD-ROM or other physical media distribution.
   Vendors who created CD-ROM distributions from the SIMTEL collection were
   themselves responsible for paying attention to copyright; Keith and/or
   the White Sands Missile Range did not receive any revenues from these
   distributions and were not responsible for them.

   THAT HAS CHANGED! The Army shut down the SIMTEL20 computer, and the
   Collection was given a new home by Coast to Coast Telecom, and renamed
   The SimTel Collection. I am not privy to all of the arrangements Keith has
   with them regarding his salary and other costs of maintaining the
   Collection, but he has stated several times that there is now a
   collection copyright on the Collection in order that some of the funds
   required to maintain the Collection can be realized by licensing CD-ROM
   distributions. This has shifted the responsibility for complying with
   copyright laws from the CD-ROM vendors at least partly to Keith and his
   employer, and it is therefore only normal and expected that Keith had
   to think about and implement a policy which would permit them to steer
   clear of any litigation.

2. It is clear however, that with the sheer amount of material in the
   SimTel collection, it takes time to go through all of the copyright
   notices, and of course those cases where someone complains are dealt with
   first. As I said above, this has not been an issue in the same way until
   about a year ago, so it is irrelevant what has been in the copyright
   notices "for years".

In any case, let's be more careful in casting aspersions and accusations of
any kind at people whose services we do not pay for and yet benefit from.
--
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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 30 13:36:32 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Keith Petersen) writes:
> Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit:
>
> In the process of reviewing programs submitted to the SimTel collection
> I have seen many different ways of expressing distribution limitations.
> This simple well-worded statement would solve the confrontation between
> Columbia, SimTel and Garbo, while keeping the spirit of free distribution
> of Kermit.
>
>    You may freely distribute the original [program name] in any way
>    you see fit other than selling it.  Users' groups and shareware
>    distribution services may charge a reasonable fee for the medium
>    and duplication costs.  Bulletin boards may not charge additional
>    fees for downloading this specific program, other than normal
>    connect-time and/or membership charges.
>
>    You may charge a maximum of US $5 for each disk you sell.  In the
>    case of CD-ROM compilations, the selling price is calculated as the
>    price of the CD-ROM divided by the number of products on the CD-ROM.
>    Thus, in such cases, the price is usually only a few cents.
>
Thanks Keith.

Look folks -- some of you seem intent on pinning us down to a nearly
Talmudic definition of the terms and conditions for redistributing Kermit
software, and the underlying sentiment seems to be that, despite its
copyright status, it is really a public resource -- in the public domain,
and everybody in the world has right not only to use it (they do), but also
to redistribute it for financial gain.  They don't.

Fine.  Think of Kermit as a public resource, like your local fire or police
or sanitation department, or the Library of Congress.  Yes, you have a right
to its services, but somebody has to pay for them.  They are paid for out of
a tax.  That's how all of you are able to use it for free -- somebody ELSE
is paying for the work that goes into it (or more accurately this week, that
is NOT going into it :-).  (Lest anyone misunderstand, by "tax" I do not
mean a federal, state, or local tax, but income from mail-order sales of
our books and magnetic media to other end-users all over the world.)

The amount of work that is done -- which is not nearly as much as needs to
be done -- costs a certain amount of money: salaries, benefits, computers,
service contracts, supplies, etc.  If we don't get the money, we can't do
the work, it's that simple.

The various proposals that public-spirited contributors are making about how
we should give our software away to companies in order for them to sell it
to you (pardon me, Keith) cheaper than we could are intrinsically
destructive.  Please try to understand:  This results in more copies of
Kermit software out there that we have to support, and less income for us
to pay for that support.

As somebody pointed out yesterday, something *is* wrong with this picture
if this debate must be carried out over and over again.  Maybe what is
wrong is that we -- silly us -- are still basically trying to provide a
public service: FREE SOFTWARE, of high quality, with solid technical support
behind it, all free.  All we ask in return is that at enough of you purchase
the accompanying manuals to keep us afloat, and that you stop haranging us
for our commercial-redistribution policies and let us get on with our work
on your behalf.  Maybe it will turn out that we really do have to change
the way we get income; I hope not.

On any newsgroup, there are a few vocal people and a large mass of onlookers.
There is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel, and the tone of
discussions like these -- i.e. controversies -- is set by the vocal ones.
In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are
people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests
that are in conflict with ours.  But in the final analysis, WE DID ALL THE
WORK and so we get to set the terms.  Those terms are the most generous
terms imaginable to the end user, so there is NO CAUSE FOR ANYBODY TO
COMPLAIN.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again
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In article <36gull$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
O'Connor) writes:
> Should those people who submit you Kermit bug fixes expect a fee?  What
> is the fee?  What do you base it on?  Your response seems simplistic.
>
My goodness, captitalism run amok.  No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

Yes, of course Kermit software is the product not only of several programmers
and designers who work at it full time -- some paid, others not -- but also
of hundreds of citizens of the Internet, and even quite a few people not
connected to it in any way, who send in stuff by post -- bug fixes, entire
new Kermit programs.

I like to think that the Kermit effort is one of the great examples of
worldwide collaboration brought about in part by the networks, but mainly
for everybody in the world to have access to a useful tool.  These people
contribute willingly and without compensation.  Their work is acknowleged
in public -- we regularly publish lists of these people in the source code,
in our books and newsletters, etc.

We have been operating this way for many years, and it works.  Well, it
works less now than it did before, because times are harder now and most
people can't afford to contribute as much of their time as they used to.
Computers are trading commodities.  Software itself, once an art, is now
too a commodity.

Everybody who sits on the sidelines and does actually do this work day and
night, week after week, year after year, is welcome to make suggestions and
comments, but what, really, is the point?  Do you really want to turn the
Kermit effort into a business?  With licenses for everybody?  Lawsuits?
Come on, folks, look what you are getting for free.  Why do you care more
about CDROM makers than about the people who produce the software?

- Frank

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In article <36fu6e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James Sturdevant) writes:
> Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : In article <36evui$[e-mail]>
> : [e-mail] writes:
> : >   This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do
> : > about it:  Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed).  Is there
> : > anyway to suppress this?   That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET
> : > character?
> : >
> [Snip] Advice on redefining keys...
>
> That works on most keys...  Two keys left of the the "dual entry" table are
> Ctrl-J/Ctrl-Enter and Esc/Ctrl-[.  I believe that these are the only two (on
> standard 101 keyboards) that cannot be independently defined.
>
> JamesS
----------
    Yup. Control-Enter is ^J from the Bios and we can't distinguish it
from typing Control-J. It is one of the many "features" of the IBM PC Bios.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Nico Garcia)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN UNIX ?
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In article <36fe6d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

   In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul
   Davidson) writes:
   > The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or
   > binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/
   >
   kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz).

Read the path name. Those are *test* binaries. For source, get
kermit/b/cku189.uue, uudecode it, and pull the source out of the
resulting tar file. I use this version on my Sparc II with SunOs 4.1.2
with no problem.

For binaries, go to kermit/bin/ckuker.sparc.sunos[appropriate OS].

                Nico Garcia
                [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (David Spencer)
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Subject: Minimal control prefixing
Date: 30 Sep 1994 11:25:19 -0400
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What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a
sane environment?

99 44/100 % of my use of kermit is to have my i486 svr4.2 unix box
talk over the phone lines to a Sun running Solaris. The modems on both
ends are using Hayes protocol. The modem on the Sun end is connected
to a terminal server, which I believe is using telnet to talk to the
Suns. The modem on the i486 is hooked to a serial port.

I assume I need to escape the flow control charaacters for the modems.
I think both ends are using rts/cts, though at least one may use
xon/xoff.

(Heretical note: sz works fine without -e.)

--
dhs [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Bill West)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <36fh5m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bill
: West) writes:

: These are classic symptoms of a lack of effective flow control.  You have
: to tell Kermit to SET FLOW RTS/CTS (if your particular version supports it),
: and you also have to configure your modem for RTS/CTS flow control.

I think it ended up being hardware related, namely a digital VAX 4000 model
90 with the modem hooked up to the tta2 port. I am ending up with kermit
showing a connection speed of 38400 and the port itself showing 9600
<choke>. I got rid of the screen stutter with set flo keep on ckermit, and
at the same time living with the slower baud rate that my hardware is giving
me. I did have it hooked to a decserver 200/mc and that was worse:-(.

Thanks for your response and keep up the good work, I for one appreciate it.
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Bill West
Houston TX
email: [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN UNIX ?
Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:49:26 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nico
Garcia) writes:
> In article <36fe6d$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Frank da Cruz) writes:
>    In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Paul
>    Davidson) writes:
>    > The Subject says it all Where can I get the source or
>    > binaries for kermit on SUN OS (UNIX) ?/
>    kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz).
> Read the path name. Those are *test* binaries. For source, get
> kermit/b/cku189.uue, uudecode it, and pull the source out of the
> resulting tar file. I use this version on my Sparc II with SunOs 4.1.2
> with no problem.
>
Sorry I was not sufficiently verbose.  I've been working on edit 190 for
more than a year, and I would appreciate it if people on the net would go
straight to the 190 Beta, which is quite solid.  That way, any problem
reports I get will apply to the current code, rather than to an old, frozen
version upon which countless improvements have already been made.

There are only a couple small matters that keep 190 from being released
right now.  One of them is the lack of a testbed for SunLink X.25, which
I hope is now remedied, and the other is the perhaps vein hope of getting
RESEND capability added to the VMS version.

If you find problems in 189, that's too bad, it's too late.  If you find
problems in 190, I'll fix them right away.  That's why I recommend the
test version.

Thank you for your indulgence,

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing
Date: 30 Sep 1994 15:52:14 GMT
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In article <36hakv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Spencer)
writes:
> What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a
> sane environment?
>
Please read the documentation.  This question does not have an answer.
There is no point in posting it in public hoping that somebody "out there"
has a magic answer.  There isn't one.  For each and every connection, the
answer is different, and depends on every component -- modem, terminal
server, host operating system, console driver, PAD, etc etc -- along the
path.  In general, the best assumption is that no two paths are different.
In many cases you don't even know what bxes you are going through.

The documentation is the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit or the
KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit.

It's free, it does not cost you a cent, please read it.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing
Date: 30 Sep 1994 16:13:31 GMT
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In article <36hc7e$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Frank da Cruz) writes:
> path.  In general, the best assumption is that no two paths are different.
>                                                                  ^^^^^^^^^
You know what I mean, right?  Different, the same, they're all the same
to me ...

> The documentation is the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit or the
> KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit.
> It's free, it does not cost you a cent, please read it.
>
Sorry if I sound a little grumpy today, it's been a tough week.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es?
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In article <36g46d$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Roland Kwee) writes:
> While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact
> that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform,
> I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board
> systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading
> files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend.
    <edited>
----------
    Agreed, it's embarassing to see what's run on some BBS systems.
Well, we are trying to help this, and you can lend a hand, by issuing
a small memory footprint edition of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 which omits all
networking and all terminal emulation. The executable is about 122KB,
+/- whatever happens in beta testing. Unwinding the many linkages between
components was not easy, but it's been accomplished.
    There are a number of uses for such a reduced version, and BBS
sites are but one of them. Full file transfer capabilities are present,
as are the script tools and command line operations (which include
restricting access to Kermit running in server mode).
        What you can do is to notify BBS operators of this Kermit-Lite edition,
once it has been released, and urge them to upgrade. We do recommend reading
the fine manual so that their systems can exploit the heck out of scripts
and set long packets and sliding windows etc.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible?
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In article <36d22k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Honeycutt) writes:
> I have a basic understanding of how when downloading/uploading
> a file Kermit sends a packet, waits for other Kermit to acknowledge
> receiving it, sends another packet, etc.
>
> Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It"
> without the error checking?  Most of our asyn lines on campus
> are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with
> the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster.
-----------
    One has to step back and ask why you would want to do this.
Presumably in an attempt to save time, yes? But it doesn't save measurable
time because the error checking is so very fast, far faster than say sending
a single byte on a serial link.
    To give you an example. Let's run two Kermits over a serial line,
and then run the same Kermits over an Ethernet path. Transfer the same
files the same way etc. Over the serial link the file byte/sec rate is
about the same as the serial line can carry. On Ethernet (TCP/IP Telnet)
the speed ranges from 40KB/sec to 80+KB/sec, depending on the machines.
In serial port terms these look like rates of 400,000-800,000 bits/sec.
The same programs, same files, just changing the comms channel. That says
the Kermit protocol portion is far faster than any serial link work. More,
the TCP/IP Telnet work is a full (and I do mean brim full) protocol stack
itself which requires time to execute; a serial channel is very much simpler.
    Basically, when using a serial link the PCs are loafing.
    As other posters have indicated, there are many things which can
go wrong in a file transfer, and errors on the wire are just one set. Error
checking is vital and yet it is extremely fast. Protocols get to be complicated
in part because they must perform certain mimimum functions to guarantee
safe delivery. But those functions are still cheap in time compared to the
speeds of serial comms wires.
    Please turn on sliding windows, even over a link two feet long
between PCs. It lets transmission continue while the first packet is being
digested. Please use long packets, say 1KB-2KB, if your link permits that
many bytes in a row (not all do, I'm sorry to say). Those two items alone
produce much improved performance, if the comms system can support the
traffic.
       Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FTP Mirror Sites and CDROMs
Date: 29 Sep 1994 14:07:56 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Otto J. Makela) writes:
:It would seem (at least to me) from this text actually that there was no
:reason for the Simtel20 and Garbo archives to remove kermit stuff from
:their archives.  They would simply have to place notes in their ftp
:directories that for example the kermit directory may not be placed on
:CD-ROM collections made from their archives, as most archive keepers are
:not really involved in the production of the CD-ROM's.  Correct?

Correct in theory, but not in our current policy.  Material which
may not be put on potential CDROMs of our archives are not carried.
That would require two sets of directories, those with fully
distributable material, those with non-CDROM-eligible material.  It
is far too complicated, at least for me.  I want Garbo archives to
be one entity, not several alternative arrangements, even if in
theory that could be possible.  To be honest, I do not have
sufficient motivation for trying to maintain such a complicated
pattern.

I now understand from the authors that MsKermit could be retained on
Garbo if I would see to it that it would not go on any CDROM.  (I
hope I got this right?).  Fair enough, but as I said, far too
complicated for me.

None of this is directed against the MsKermit authors whom I have
the pleasure to consider as net friends.  It is simply that we have
an incompatible situation.  As Frank privately put it, no hard
feelings.  These situations just come up as fact of life without any
ill-intentions from either side.  We'll just have to live with this.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again
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In article <36efjj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:Yes, indeed, some sites like Garbo and Simtel add value to their
:collections by adding an index, or scanning for viruses, or packaging
:the files up in different ways, before copying them to CDROM.

Thank you.  I appreciate the recognition.

:How do we tell the difference?  Even when a company adds value to our
:product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours?

There are two alternative views.  You can treat each method of
distribution equal.  For example you can say, distributing from FTP
sites is ok, distributing on CDROMs is not ok, distributing on 2.8Mb
disks in not ok, and so on.

Another alternative is giving the consent according to the
distributor.  There are authors who have granted SimTel and Garbo
such a permission for their potential CDROMs while not the others.
Unfair one might say at first sight, but stop to reflect this for a
moment.  We have quite a similar problem when evaluating programs
submitted to us.  Some we accept, some we don't because they are not
up to our standards.  Life is full of non-mechanistic choices.  You
can as well ask me "how come I accept someone's work while I reject
that of someone else".  The answer is by my personal judgement and
the criteria I may have developed from the years of experience I
might have.  We all are human decision makers, not pre-programmed
machines.

Please do not get me wrong on two accounts.  First, I am not
suggesting that you SHOULD grant us special treatment.  I am just
pointing out that there are different approaches to this dilemma.
Second, it is your privilege to decide your policies.  I am not
contesting them in any way.  Whatever decision you have made, I'll
respect it.

:Finally, once again and for the last time:  We, Columbia University,
:did not and never have told Garbo, Simtel, or any other site to remove
:Kermit software from their archives.  These sites elected to remove

That is fully understood.  The reason for removal from SimTel (if I
may speak partly for us both) and Garbo is that it would be too
cumbersome to have two versions of our archives.  A version with
fully distributable material, a version with non-CDROM material.  At
least I lack the motivation and the time for that, as I already
replied to Otto Makela's useful posting.

:Kermit software for their own reasons, having nothing to do with our
:policy -- or lack thereof -- toward ftp mirror sites.

That is exactly right.

We have no quarrel here.  What we have is respective policies that
at the moment make it impractical for us to continue to carry
MsMermit on our archives, and make it impractical for you to allow
use our full distibution.  Hence the impasse.

We just have an unfortunate combination in here.  We understand and
respect each others' views, but in our pleasant private discussions
we were unable to find a solution to accomodate our respective
policies.  Thus the discontinuation of MsKermit support from our
sites.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
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In article <36em3v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:software on CDROM.  There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit
:from their ftp sites.  Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with
:it.  Our policies have not changed.

Frank, that is an unfair passing the buck, and giving a run-around
to your own users.  Please don't.  You have repeatedly explained
that you did not actually require us to remove MsKermit from Garbo
and SimTel.  True.  We have repeatedly explained why we had no
choice given your policy about SimTel and potential Garbo CD-ROMs.
Also true.

Please let's not confuse YOUR users what this is about.

I have not exhorted the users to COMPLAIN to anyone, nor will I
stoop to it now.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
Date: 30 Sep 1994 04:22:51 GMT
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In article <36em3v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:available via ftp, just as it always was.  Once again, for the umpteenth
:time, nobody has told ANYBODY to take Kermit software off their ftp sites.

Technically true, but lopsided.

Let me explicitly spell out the existing alternatives.

1) We leave current the situation as is.  Consequence: No MsKermit
material at SimTel and Garbo.

2) Columbia change their policies and lift their ban on CDROM
distribution altogether.  Obviously out of the question.

3) Columbia change part of their policies by granting SimTel and
Garbo an exception permission to have MsKermit material also on
their CDROMs.  Conququence: The material would be put back on these
two sites and all their mirrors.  (What other FTP sites and BBSes
will and would do is outside our jurisdiction).

4) SimTel and Garbo give up CDROMs.  Totally unrealistic.  Out of the
question.

5) SimTel and Garbo set aside a section for restricted material.  As
for Garbo, I am not prepared to do that.  Way too cumbersome and
confusing.  No motivation.

These are the simple facts of the situation.  At the moment it seems
that alternative #1 will prevail.

   All the best, Timo

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Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: [e-mail]   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FTP Mirror Sites and CDROMs
Date: 30 Sep 1994 17:00:29 GMT
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In article <36ehns$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
> ...far too complicated, at least for me.  I want Garbo archives to
> be one entity, not several alternative arrangements, even if in
> theory that could be possible.  To be honest, I do not have
> sufficient motivation for trying to maintain such a complicated
> pattern.
>
Thank you, Timo.  This also goes to the complaint about the Kermit
archives not being in exactly the format that you, personally, like
best.  Timo is only one guy, so am I.  Maintaining multiple copies of
archives to suit various sets of requirements and tastes is not high
on his priority list, nor ours at Columbia, even though we actually
do this to cover the most popular cases.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
writes:
 :     Yup. Control-Enter is ^J from the Bios and we can't distinguish it
 : from typing Control-J. It is one of the many "features" of the IBM PC Bios.
 :     Joe D.

Sure you can:

   i = (unsigned int) bioskey (0);
   if (i == 0x1C0A)  ----> Ctrl-Enter

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
> In article <36d22k$[e-mail]>,
> Mike Honeycutt ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>>Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It"
>>without the error checking?  Most of our asyn lines on campus
>>are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with
>>the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster.
>
>     From the help file for MS-Kermit 3.13:
>
> * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING
>
> Kermit can also transfer files or other information with remote computers,
> services, or devices that do not support the Kermit file transfer protocol.
> These methods provide no error detection or correction. Use with caution.
>
> TRANSMIT <filename>
>   Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard
>   a line at a time.  Waits for linefeed (\10) to echo before sending next
>   line.     Uses all current communication settings (parity, flow, etc).
----------
    Nah. That's a crude stop and wait item. See the "waits for linefeed"
guy. No error checking, no flow control, no nothing; just send & pray.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
writes:
> > ...
> > * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING
> > ...
> > TRANSMIT <filename>
> >   Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard
> >   a line at a time.  ...
>
> Nah. That's a crude stop and wait item. See the "waits for linefeed"
> guy. No error checking, no flow control, no nothing; just send & pray.
>
For your amusement: This is what Windows Terminal calls "text mode" file
transfer.  Guess what "binary mode" file transfer is.  Hint: it's not
what you think.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Duncan Murdoch)
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Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
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In article <36em3v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>Let me explain again, for the benefit of those who did not read my earlier
>messages, some of which might not have been delivered.  The two sites who
>posted announcements to this effect removed the Kermit files from their
>archives because we could not reach an agreement about their SELLING our
>software on CDROM.  There was no need at all for them to remove Kermit
>from their ftp sites.  Complain to them about it, we had nothing to do with
>it.  Our policies have not changed.

This seems to be the problem - people who are unwilling to allow any
flexibility in their policies.  Simtel and Garbo don't want special case
software that makes production of the CDROMs more difficult.  Columbia doesn't
recognize that having their software in the largest and best known MSDOS
collection (Simtel) and in another very well-respected and more specialized
collection (Garbo) *is* to their benefit.  Exposure and distribution to people
without ftp access is worth something, and exposure to people who have never
heard of Kermit before and who would have no idea to look for it is worth
something.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs.



Duncan Murdoch
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
Date: 30 Sep 1994 19:34:42 GMT
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>>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> writes:

Frank> On any newsgroup, there are a few vocal people and a large mass of onlookers.
Frank> There is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel, and the tone of
Frank> discussions like these -- i.e. controversies -- is set by the vocal ones.
Frank> In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are
Frank> people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests
Frank> that are in conflict with ours.  But in the final analysis, WE DID ALL THE
Frank> WORK and so we get to set the terms.  Those terms are the most generous
Frank> terms imaginable to the end user, so there is NO CAUSE FOR ANYBODY TO
Frank> COMPLAIN.

I fully support Columbia University's rights on this.

I enjoy your books/documentation, and wish this lawyers thread would
go offline (and stay offline).

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From [e-mail] Fri Sep 30 20:37:48 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
Date: 30 Sep 1994 20:37:48 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Duncan Murdoch) writes:
> This seems to be the problem - people who are unwilling to allow any
> flexibility in their policies.  Simtel and Garbo don't want special case
> software that makes production of the CDROMs more difficult.  Columbia
> doesn't recognize that having their software in the largest and best
> known MSDOS collection (Simtel) and in another very well-respected and
> more specialized collection (Garbo) *is* to their benefit.  Exposure and
> distribution to people without ftp access is worth something, and
> exposure to people who have never heard of Kermit before and who would
> have no idea to look for it is worth something.
>
> It's a pretty sad state of affairs.
>
Indeed.  At the risk of gaining a reputation as the kind of person who
always must have the last word -- and I really do hope this IS the last
word -- let me try to explain how you are missing the point.

Of course there is value in Kermit software, and if everybody could get
for free, or dirt cheap, that would be a good thing.  We all agree about
that.  In fact, you could say the same thing about food, clothing,
education, you name it.  It would be great if you could get EVERYTHING for
free.  The point you are missing is that all these things are brought to
you by people who work.  But unlike other commodities, Kermit software
really is free to those of you on the Internet who protest so loudly about
our policies.  The people who are paying for your access to our work are
not complaining.

I really wish I did not have to keep repeating myself -- it is really
boring.  There is a paradox here: the more our software is spread to the
general public on CDROM, and the more popular it becomes, the more work
we have (tech support), the less time we have to devote to development,
and the less money we have to pay for tech support AND development.

Thus, the policy you are advocating is a very short-sighted one, the result
of which would be that everybody would get Kermit software for "a fraction
of a penny", and the Kermit effort would get nothing: our marketplace would
disappear -- because nobody in their right mind would pay $35 for the same
thing (more or less -- there is also the manual to consider) they can get
for a third of a penny.  Meanwhile, since they do not have the manual, they
pester us to death with questions that are already answered there.  Work
grows to infinity, income shrinks to zero, and poof, you've killed it.
Well, hooray, hooray, now we all have just what we wanted and it was free,
so we won!  Yay!  But then technology changes, operating systems change,
communication and networking methods change, and you are now left to the
tender mercies of all those commercial and shareware software producers who
care so much about quality and support.

I'm sorry, it's a whole package -- if you don't like it, don't use it, and
let us get on with devloping and supporting it for those who do,

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (David Spencer)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing
Date: 30 Sep 1994 17:58:24 -0400
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>> The documentation is the ckcker.upd file that comes with C-Kermit or the
>> KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit.
>> It's free, it does not cost you a cent, please read it.

I did RTFM and RTFckuker.doc. Sorry I didn't RTFckcker.upd. It didn't
leap to mind as the file that would have what the man and .doc didn't
have. It was, however, most helpful.

The .upd doesn't answer the specific question. There are probably a
few thousand knowledgeable usenetters with substantially the same
setup. So my question still seems reasonable.

>Sorry if I sound a little grumpy today, it's been a tough week.

I've noticed. No offense taken. kermit is one of my favorite pieces of
software, so you get plenary dispensation anyway.
--
dhs [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again
Date: 30 Sep 1994 21:15:12 GMT
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In article <36h54r$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes in response to me:

>> Should those people who submit you Kermit bug fixes expect a fee?  What
>> is the fee?  What do you base it on?  Your response seems simplistic.
>>
>My goodness, captitalism run amok.  No good deed goes unpunished, eh?

Of course, if you take me out of context, you can say whatever silly
thing you want.  Let's see what you said first:

jdc> How do we tell the difference?  Even when a company adds value to our
jdc> product, why is it that their work should be compensated and not ours?

So I took it one step further with my "how much do you pay for Kermit
bug fixes" remark.  Then you proceed to take me out of context?  Bah!

>Yes, of course Kermit software is the product not only of several programmers
>and designers who work at it full time -- some paid, others not -- but also
>of hundreds of citizens of the Internet, and even quite a few people not
>connected to it in any way, who send in stuff by post -- bug fixes, entire
>new Kermit programs.

And I imagine they contributed with the understanding that this was
free software that was freely redistributable.

>Everybody who sits on the sidelines and does actually do this work day and
>night, week after week, year after year, is welcome to make suggestions and
>comments, but what, really, is the point?  Do you really want to turn the
>Kermit effort into a business?  With licenses for everybody?  Lawsuits?
>Come on, folks, look what you are getting for free.  Why do you care more
>about CDROM makers than about the people who produce the software?

I didn't say anything about licensing Kermit.  I said something about
supporting Kermit in a commercial fashion, so you can subsidize your
activity of making Kermit into a great public product.  Selling doc is
probably not paying the bills.  I am interested in seeing Kermit
succeed, and I don't think that what you're doing is encouraging its
success.  The reason I care about CD-ROM makers is because I can point
people who want to take a look at it and other technologies at a single
source, well-sorted and well-tested.  Also, with the emergence of FTP
archives that ARE funded -- wuarchive, sunsite, etc. -- you already
have a situation going on where your software resides on FTP sites that
make money in a sense for running an archive, and may well be considered
"commercial concerns" for the purposes of the Kermit/your copyright.

What you're doing doesn't appear to make sense for your users, and
doesn't appear to make sense for yourself, so I have to wonder why
you're doing it, and what this means for the future of Kermit.  Are
you hoping that some sympathetic ear will give you money?  What do you
gain by artificially limiting the redistribution of FREE software?

-Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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In article <36h0cd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike O'Connor) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> ...
>>That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works copyrighted by others
>>and covered by copyright restrictions.
>>    BBS operators making a profit offering the programs would be much
>>the same as the CDROM case, in my view.
>>    Internet service providers are selling time on their wires,
>>irrespective of the files or programs used at the other end of the wire.
>>    The copyright restriction says you can't make money selling our
>>product without our permission.
>
> Joe, what about those .edu sites that may run an FTP archive in conjunction
> with a software vendor or as part of a grant, where yes, people are PAID to
> run a good FTP archive and have an incentive to gather as much stuff as they
> can for it?  And yes, a number of popular archives obtain money that way.
---------
    Well, yes, what about them. Good question.
    If an FTP site is selling software then that's still selling software
as above. The organization (to follow your example) providing the money is
doing the buying of something, but buying what. Near this point the path
becomes obscure, as reasonable people will agree (on the obscure part if
nothing else, sigh).
    Normally .edu sites run on zero funding, or less, as a public service.
Mine runs on less. Edu sites have all kinds of legal rules too, not to mention
the unwritten ones about where one spends time and which resources are used and
paid by whom, and all that jazz. Student hobby sites are left alone as an
educational experience. My sites are doing a public service on behalf of my
Univ.
    At the bottom of all this discussion is people are trading with
someone else's property on a for-gain basis. Some products have specific
restrictions about the for-gain part. This leads to two questions: is
each product being sold versus money going for something else entirely,
and, if clearly for-gain ought the business be using that material as
capital. Lawyers may wish to step in here and carry the discussion to
alt.nebulous.arguments.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Flaherty)
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A small suggestion.

Rather than having MSKermit binaries on the SimTel / Garbo ftp/CDROM sites,
why not instead include a text file which points to the official kermit ftp
site?  True, this isn't as ideal as a binary, but it's much better than getting
stale bits...


--
-=Paul Flaherty, N9FZX |     "Just name a hero, and I'll prove he's a bum."
->[e-mail]     |          -- Col. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington

From [e-mail] Fri Sep 30 23:09:59 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again
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In article <36hv50$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike
O'Connor) writes:
> What you're doing doesn't appear to make sense for your users, and
> doesn't appear to make sense for yourself, so I have to wonder why
> you're doing it, and what this means for the future of Kermit.  Are
> you hoping that some sympathetic ear will give you money?  What do you
> gain by artificially limiting the redistribution of FREE software?
>
Sorry if I jumped down your throat or quoted you out of context -- it's
not just you, it's the whole situation.  To make amends, I will not prolong
this silly discussion any further unless something truly outrageous happens.

Except to say that we are indeed flexible and open to new ideas, in case
there are some that we have not already had ourselves and rejected because
they don't really work, or because we don't have the resources to implement
them (chicken-and-egg situation), or they would provoke even more debate
and acrimony than our current stance, or the circumstances of our university
status do not allow.  If somebody has a magic pill to make everybody happy,
please share it.  Otherwise, let's all get on with our lives.

- Frank

From [e-mail] Fri Sep 30 10:09:46 1994
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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 > In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe
 > Doupnik) writes:
 >        The CDROMs are sold for profit, based on the contained programs.
 > The attraction is not a nifty logo on the CDROM or fancy box or terrific
 > browser program, though such items are worthy of charging if desired, but
 > the target objects themselves, without which there won't be much
 > attraction. That's commercial activity, trading for profit in works
 > copyrighted by others and covered by copyright restrictions.

 This is the most ridiculous objection I've ever heard. I'm a shareware
 author and I'm tickled to death when I hear from someone who got my
 stuff from a CDROM. The more widely distributed it is, the happier I
 am.  Hell, that's why I upload my work in the first place!

 I just ordered a set of Simtel CDROMs for my BBS and, if I'm not mistaken,
 one of those 10,000+ programs is mine.  Neat huh?


 Len Wilson


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeff Bangert ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Timo Salmi ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Tue 27-Sep-94: MsKermit utilities have been suspended at Garbo.  The
>: files have not yet been physically deleted, but their read
>: permissions have been removed.  For all details of the situation
>: please see the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup.  Please do not
>: direct any queries about this to Garbo moderators.  Kermit is
>: distributed from the Columbia University.  The support person there
>: is Frank da Cruz [e-mail].

>I just scanned all the messages on this group -- could not find an
>announcement.  Could someone point me to it?

    comp.archives.msdos.announce and comp.archives.msdos.d

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>[...]
>Except to say that we are indeed flexible and open to new ideas, in case
>there are some that we have not already had ourselves and rejected because
>they don't really work, or because we don't have the resources to implement
>them (chicken-and-egg situation), or they would provoke even more debate
>and acrimony than our current stance, or the circumstances of our university
>status do not allow.  If somebody has a magic pill to make everybody happy,
>please share it.  Otherwise, let's all get on with our lives.

I hope that someone does have a magic pill because when you say that
that Kermit cannot be distributed on *any* CD-ROMs it means that the
folks who distribute FreeBSD, BSDI, SunOS, Linux, and other operating
systems, as well as DECUS, may no longer include Kermit, even through
it is free of charge, on their CD-ROMs.

It appears to me that you have single-handedly killed the entire free
distribution system for Kermit, except for Internet anonymous FTP.  That
will probably result in the death of the Kermit protocol on systems
which do not have access to the Internet.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
Internet: [e-mail]    or      [e-mail]
Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                     BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

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>
>Bottom line: It's our software, it bears our copyright, we did all the
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>work, and we get to set the terms for its distribution.  [...]
 ^^^^

Is this true?

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From: [e-mail] (Richard Foulk)
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Zmodem (sz) has a very nice feature, invoked with `-u' that removes
each file just after it is successfully transmitted.

Is there a clean and reliable way to do something similar with c-kermit?


Thanks


--
Richard Foulk        [e-mail]

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>> Is it possible to exit kermit without dropping the phone line?
>>
>Remember there are hundreds of different Kermit programs.  For some the
>answer is yes, for others it is no.  In UNIX, of course, the answer is no.
>A fundamental aspect of the UNIX operating system is that when a process
>exits, all of its open files are closed.  There is no way around it.
> [...]

This is not correct.

In general, Unix will not cause a hangup until the last process with
the port open closes it.

Test this by establising a connection via kermit, then attach another
process to the port (to hold it open) and do a `kill -9' to the kermit
process.  Since this kill can't be caught it doesn't allow kermit to do
any of its usual cleanup so it won't be able to disconnect the modem.

It would be nice if kermit would support a cleaner way to do this.


--
Richard Foulk        [e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bo Kullmar <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am looking for a good commercial communication package for MS-Windows
>with fast kermit functions. I need a kermit that can use larger packages
>than 94 bytes.
>
>Any suggestion? (The Kermit server on the other end is C-Kermit 5A(188)).
>
>--Bo Kullmar
>

Not the response you want, but i absolutely do *not* recommend QuickLink.
It comes free with Practical Peripherals and US Robotics modems.

The kermit protocol choices are Kermit and Super Kermit.  I tried
connecting to a friend with it - he had QL, and i had MS-Kermit 3.10.

Transfer was pathetic.  I have my send and receive block sizess set to
512.  No go, ~94 was all we got.  Even worse, literally two out of
three packets sent were failures.  This is not a statistical comment,
it really would fail two packets and then accecpt the third.  Needless
to say, this fail-two-take-one behaviour was not making us happy.

Super Kermit protocol had identical behavior, except that it only failed
every other packet.  I guess that's what made it "Super".

Ansi terminal emulation was not good... i tried a vi session via QL,
and found that i had to hit ^L after dd commands.

Good thing it was free, i'd hate to have to try to get a refund for it...

    -john

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  Would anyone know where I could get a copy of Kermit for
a Dec Alpha?

Al - [e-mail]


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Howdy all! I need some advice. The network that we are currently running
supports a number of Macs and PCs. From the Macs, you can put files or
get files. From the PCs, however, you can only get files. My theory is
that if I can find a Kermit program, and put it into server mode, we
should be able to send files to the PCs. Is my logic correct here? Any
suggestions on which Kermit to run? ( or other solutions?) Please
emaill dirrect asap!

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I'm using version 1.89 on OS/2 to log into Unix box . The
problem I have is that I can't use either Emacs or Vi because
of the lack of either an escape or an ALT-X that transmits
to the application correctly.Also the arrow keys do not
work in the applications . I have the book and have tried
both set terminal arrow-keys and set terminal keypad-mode.
What should I do next ?

The oddest part is that the program works fine, arrow keys in
application, etc - in calling into a VMS system. Is this some
sort of anti-unix plot <G>.

--
Matt
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
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In article <36hakv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Spencer)
writes:
> What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a
> sane environment?
>
   Depends, of course, on what you mean by ``sane.''

   Here are a few points that might help you figure out what will
work for you:
   A few controls almost always have to be prefixed: the Kermit
start-of-packet character (usually Ctrl-A), Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff
(Ctrl-S) (often used for flow control).
   Some others that often need prefixing: DLE (Ctrl-P), NULL, DEL,
and any special interrupt character (C-Kermit uses Ctrl-C by default).

   Generally, for every character you prefix, you should also prefix
the same character with the high bit set, to avoid problems caused by
parity mismatches.

   It does vary widely from system to system, though.  Unless you're
using a very simple connection that you understand well, at some point
it comes down to just guessing.  If you get it wrong, you'll get errors
and if you're unlucky, you'll crash something.

    Good luck,
                - Tim Kientzle

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Besides the default Ctrl-A, what control codes are used by different
Kermit implementations for their Start-Of-Packet characters?

I've heard of Ctrl-B being used, and I doubt anyone uses CR, LF,
XON, or XOFF, but it would be interesting to know which ones are
used?

Respond via e-mail if possible and I'll post a summary.

            - Tim Kientzle

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FWIW, I've found two minor errors in the Kermit Protocol Manual, 6th
edition that I recently pulled from kermit.columbia.edu.  Page numbers
are from the PostScript version.

Section 7.1, middle of page 44:  The description of HCHECK
claims that the header check is computed ``from the sum of the
ASCII values of the SEQ, TYPE, LENX1, and LENX2 fields'' and
then gives the formula:
    s = LEN + SEQ + TYPE + LENX1 + LENX2

I believe the formula is correct and the text is in error. (At least,
my Kermit implementation communicates with C-Kermit, and it does
include the LEN field in the header check.)


Section 7.1, top of page 45: ``...the sender should be prepared to
reconstruct the current packet at, say, half its size, ..., before
retransmission''

    In fact, this is a Bad Idea.  If the timeout is due to a lost
ACK, the receiver may not realize that the reconstructed packet (with
the same sequence number!) has different data in it.  The result can
be a transfer in which data is duplicated or dropped without either
side detecting the error.  It seems unreasonable to require the
receiver to compare each repeated packet against a stored copy of the
packet, which I believe is the only certain way to protect against
this problem and allow the sender to alter the size of a repeated
packet.

    Just thought someone might be interested...
                - Tim Kientzle

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Pedro Ferroni ([e-mail]) wrote:

>2) How do I find instructions to set up a scrip so i don't have do enter
>password, user id, telent unix, etc every time.

    This is the script (comments added-- you will need to strip them
    out to use the script as-is) that I use to connect to my dial-up
    (Unix) shell account on Netcom.  I was able to derive all the
    information I needed to write it from the command descriptions that
    are included in the help file that comes with MS-Kermit 3.13.  Note
    that if you include your password in a login script, anyone who has
    access to your computer can 1) log into your account and 2) read
    your login script to get your password.  An alternative script that
    doesn't include the password follows the first one.

SET INPUT CASE OBSERVE    [make input commands case sensitive]
SET INPUT DEFAULT 30    [input and reinput commands timeout in 30 secs.]
CLS            [clear screen]
CLEAR            [clear input buffer]
SET TERMINAL CLEAR    [clear terminal buffer]
:REDIAL            [label] (dial phone number again)
CLS            [clear screen]
OUTPUT ATDT*70,,8428835\13
    [send control string to modem followed by CR (\13): cancel call
    waiting (*70), pause 2 seconds (,,), dial number]

INPUT 15 BUSY        [wait 15 secs. for modem to say BUSY]
IF SUCCESS GOTO REDIAL    [and go back to :REDIAL if it does]
REINPUT 5 {NO CARRIER}    [check previous input, and wait 5 more secs. for
            modem to say NO CARRIER (note that { and } are
            quote characters)]
IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY    [and go to :BUSY if it did (or does)]
REINPUT {CONNECT 2400}    [wait 30 more secs. for modem to say CONNECT 2400
            (substitute your own connect speed for 2400)]
IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN    [and go to :LOGIN if it does]

    [if your modem says anything other than CONNECT 2400 (eg.
    CONNECT 1200), REINPUT times out and control goes to :BUSY]

    NOTE:  You may have to adjust the above input command timeouts
    a little, depending on your modem and phone service.

:BUSY            (hang up modem and redial phone number)
HANGUP            [drop DTR to hang up modem]
CLEAR            [clear input buffer]
PAUSE 4            [wait 4 secs. (necessary for 3-way calling)]
GOTO REDIAL        [go back to :REDIAL and call again]
:LOGIN            (successful connect; start login)
REINPUT 2 {NO CARRIER}    [check back to see if carrier dropped after
            CONNECT 2400 (it happens sometimes)]
IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY    [and go back to :BUSY if it did]

    NOTE:  This section is dependent on how your host system
    prompts you, and on some portion of that prompting being always
    the same.  Eg. my login prompt varies, but the last part of it
    is always 'login: '

REINPUT 15 {login: }    [check back and wait 15 secs. for login prompt
            (note {} to preserve space after login: )]
IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT    [and go to :CONT if it shows up]
GOTO BUSY        [go back to :BUSY if it doesn't]
:CONT            (login prompt showed up - continue login)
OUTPUT jhurwit\13    [send my userid (followed by CR)]
INPUT Password:        [wait 30 secs. for Password: prompt]
IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT1    [and go to :CONT1 if it shows up]
GOTO BUSY        [go back to :BUSY if it doesn't]
:CONT1            (password prompt showed up - continue login)
OUTPUT xxxxxx\13    [send my password (followed by CR)]

    NOTE:  Including your password in a login script is a security
    risk!  See introductory paragraph, and second script below.

INPUT 20 {Last login:}    [wait 20 secs. for Last Login: (indicates
            successful login on my system)]
IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT2    [and go to :CONT2 if it shows up]
REINPUT 10 {Invalid Login}  [check back and wait 10 more secs. for
                Invalid Login (happens when the password
                file is too busy)]
IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN    [go back to :LOGIN if this happens (a login:
            prompt always follows Invalid Login)]
GOTO BUSY        [go back to :BUSY if anything other than Last
            Login: or Invalid Login shows up]
:CONT2            (successful login)
CONNECT            [start terminal emulation]
END            [end of script]

    Here is the same script with a few lines added and one changed,
    that will prompt you for your password on each login.  NOTE:  If
    the variables %A and %B are being used in your MSKERMIT.INI,
    MSCUSTOM.INI, or in another script, choose another pair of
    variables from %A to %Z that aren't being used elsewhere.

SET INPUT CASE OBSERVE
SET INPUT DEFAULT 30
CLS
CLEAR
SET TERMINAL CLEAR
:REASK                (prompt for password again)
ASKQ \%A {Input password: }    [prompts you for your password, doesn't
                echo what you type in, puts it in
                variable %A]
ASKQ \%B {Input password again: }  [prompt again for comparison]
IF EQUAL \%A \%B GOTO REDIAL    [go to :REDIAL and continue login if
                same password was enterred both times]
ECHO Passwords do not match.  Re-enter password.
    [echo this to screen]

GOTO REASK            [go to :REASK]
:REDIAL
CLS
OUTPUT ATDT*70,,8428835\13
INPUT 15 BUSY
IF SUCCESS GOTO REDIAL
REINPUT 5 {NO CARRIER}
IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY
REINPUT {CONNECT 2400}
IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN
:BUSY
HANGUP
CLEAR
PAUSE 4
GOTO REDIAL
:LOGIN
REINPUT 2 {NO CARRIER}
IF SUCCESS GOTO BUSY
REINPUT 15 {login: }
IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT
GOTO BUSY
:CONT
OUTPUT jhurwit\13
INPUT 30 Password:
IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT1
GOTO BUSY
:CONT1
OUTPUT \%A\13        [send you password (in variable %A) followed by CR]
INPUT 20 {Last login:}
IF SUCCESS GOTO CONT2
REINPUT 10 {Invalid Login}
IF SUCCESS GOTO LOGIN
GOTO BUSY
:CONT2
ASSIGN \%A        [removes your password from memory (from
ASSIGN \%B        variables %A and %B]
CONNECT
END

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In article <36g46d$[e-mail]>,
Roland Kwee <[e-mail]> wrote:
>This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current
>discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites.
   You might not succeed.  <grin>

>While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact
>that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform,
>I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board
>systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading
>files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend.
   It's somewhat curious to see how provincial the different computer
sub-communities can be.  The PC/BBS community is no different.  They
use ZModem for file transfers and PC/ANSI terminal emulations, and
don't really care about anything else.  Other sub-communities use
Kermit/VT320 or IND$FILE/3270.  It all depends on where you grew up, I
guess.  ;-)

>Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not
>a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners
>of zmodem lobbying against it?
   Well, having developed several commercial terminal programs, I can
perhaps suggest some of the factors that lead to this situation:
   * ZModem source code is available in the public domain.  As a
result, adding basic ZModem support is fairly simple, since a
developer can cut and paste existing code.  To the best of my
knowledge, there is no good Kermit implementation available in the
public domain.
   * ZModem and Kermit have different goals.  ZModem's primary goal is
to be fast; Kermit's primary goal is to work over any connection.  As
a result, most potential users of these protocols use ZModem, because
it's fast.  Sure, Kermit _can_ be fast, but that requires a lot of
configuration that most users just don't want to mess with.
   * Many computer users use freely-available software for
communications.  The restrictions on C-Kermit/MS-Kermit distribution
make this option unavailable to many users.
   * Finally, the legal status of the Kermit _protocol_ is ambiguous.
I don't know for sure if protocols can or cannot be copyrighted or
patented, but I _do_ know that the ZModem protocol is in the public
domain, and I cannot get in trouble for implementing it.  I don't know
about Kermit.

>Kermit deserves better.
    Kermit is indeed a very nice protocol.  But a commitment to
developing and supporting a protocol like Kermit involves a lot of
considerations other than just the technical merits of the protocol.
For many commercial developers, the other issues make it unreasonable
to invest the time and energy required to implement Kermit well.

>--Roland          email: [e-mail]

                - Tim Kientzle

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[e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:

>I hope that someone does have a magic pill because when you say that
>that Kermit cannot be distributed on *any* CD-ROMs it means that the
>folks who distribute FreeBSD, BSDI, SunOS, Linux, and other operating
>systems, as well as DECUS, may no longer include Kermit, even through
>it is free of charge, on their CD-ROMs.

>It appears to me that you have single-handedly killed the entire free
>distribution system for Kermit, except for Internet anonymous FTP.  That
>will probably result in the death of the Kermit protocol on systems
>which do not have access to the Internet.

>Keith
>--
>Keith Petersen
>General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
>Internet: [e-mail]    or      [e-mail]
>Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                     BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND

Keith & Frank,


    Well, as someone looking at this silly discussion for some time
    it seems that the time has come to get to work on a GPL'd version
    of a portable data transfer program like Kermit (As Les said before).
        Kermit is decent software and ubquitous but not the last word in this
    area. And if something of the complexity of gcc is still beeing
    supported... why not something like a kermit protocol clone? Here
    the wheel has to be re-done, hard work it is, but it may have some
    improvements, just look at the way Linux is developed!


    Seems that the authors & sponsors of Kermit are swiming against the
    current this time... The argument that they cannot support versions of
    Kermit that are sold via CD-ROMS because they don't receive a dime
    seems like nonsense. THE SUPPORT SHOULD BE CHARGED FOR if fundings is
    what is needed (or the book revenues are not sufficient)!
    ELSE DON'T ALLOW IT IN FTP PLACES AT ALL. Then the people at Columbia
    won't have any trouble with support... there will be none to do in the
    future and they can do their research in peace. It is their work
    and their choice.   (Apparently if doesn't matter that 90% of the
    people don't have FTP access...)

    In this respect we should thank the attitude of the Kermit team. In the
    long run something else will appear to fill this gap, hopefully better
    and easier to distribute.  Guess here is something else for RMS, once
    the TCL flame war is over... Maybe in a feww days we'll see
    a posting with the Subject: DON'T USE KERMIT... :-)

    Saludos,

         ...Sergio Fanchiotti


Ps: Frank, what about the BBSs, they make a buck from people downloading
    programs from them...

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In article <36g46d$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Roland Kwee) writes:
>This provocative posting is an effort to distract from the current
>discussion about the copyright issue and ftp sites.

There is ample room and obviously sufficient interest for both
issues.  Besides whenever there is a thread one does not wish to
follow it is relatively easy to block it out even by kill files or
threaded newsreaders, so don't worry.

>While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact
>that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform,
>I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board
>systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading
>files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend.

It is not entirely surprising, because most BBS users want and need
a fully-featured telecommunication program rather than terminal
emulation.  I won't say "just" terminal emulation, since there is
nothing disparaging in this.  Quite the contrary.  As a terminal
emulator for a professional and a semi-professional Kermit is second
to none.  But BBS users usually have different needs.

For example I use different programs for different purposes:
 MsKermit: Calling by modem my Unix host
 Telnet:   Direct ethernet connection to my Unix host
 Telix:    Calling BBSes

From what I have seen this is not an uncommon selection.

>Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not
>a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners

No lobbying, as you can see from the BBS success of programs like
Telix (which incidentally just went commercial), TeleMate, Boyan,
(in my view) slightly overrated Procomm+, and so on an on.  The
trend clearly seems to be away from freeware to shareware to
shefware.  Childhoods end?

Please note that I am observing existing facts.  I am not speaking
for or against the trend in this.

>of zmodem lobbying against it?

Hardly.  Extenal protocols like Zmodem are easy to come by and
easy to use (after one has once managed to set it up) for Kermit
terminal emulation.  For example that is how I transfer my material
between my home and office when connecting with a modem.

>Kermit deserves better.

Kermit is a very fine product for the purposes for which it is
meant, but just like other alternatives is does not cover all bases.

   All the best, Timo

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As the gentle readers will know, Columbia, SimTel and Garbo have not
managed to find a mutually acceptable solution that would enable
retaining Kermit on SimTel and Garbo.

Please, PLEASE, dear readers.  This does not make any of us bad
persons.  I am distressed to hear that especially Frank has been
flamed for his stance.  That is *NOT* fair.  We parties concerned
are all dedicated persons, Kermit is a fine product, and we try to
maintain good FTP sites in SimTel and Garbo.

Please allow us the right to have these problems without pouncing on
anyone.  It is bad enough that we have come at the impasse.  We do
not want the extra pressured from flamage.  Please state your views
calmly and rationally.

It is true that I wished that Frank would have a different policy
about Kermit distribution on SimTel and Garbo CDROMs.  But it is his
right and privilege.  I am not contesting that.  In fact I am ready
to defend his rights to having his own views, even if they diverge
from my own preferences.

A final thing for this message.  Frank as been several times
regretting the existence of comp.protocols.kermit.misc because of
this.  That is totally unnecessary!  This discussion would have
taken place with or without this particular newsgroup.  Its original
purpose STILL is intact.  But we must be allowed to discuss this
dilemma.  If it bothers anybody, kill these subjects at your
newsreaders.

   All the best, Timo

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One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with
NDIS compliant ethernet adapters.

Where can I find this?

Joel    [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
:I fully support Columbia University's rights on this.

So do I.  No one has been contesting Columbia's RIGHTS.  They are
unequivocal.  That is not the problem we are facing together in
here.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: "Just Send It" mode - possible?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
>> In article <36d22k$[e-mail]>,
>> Mike Honeycutt ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>
>>>Would it be possible to tell the sending Kermit to "Just Send It"
>>>without the error checking?  Most of our asyn lines on campus
>>>are very clean (not including modems) and I would put up with
>>>the occasional corrupt file to make the download go faster.
>>
>>     From the help file for MS-Kermit 3.13:
>>
>> * COMMANDS FOR FILE TRANSFER WITHOUT ERROR CHECKING
>>
>> Kermit can also transfer files or other information with remote computers,
>> services, or devices that do not support the Kermit file transfer protocol.
>> These methods provide no error detection or correction. Use with caution.
>>
>> TRANSMIT <filename>
>>   Send a text file to the host as if you were typing it at the keyboard
>>   a line at a time.  Waits for linefeed (\10) to echo before sending next
>>   line.     Uses all current communication settings (parity, flow, etc).
>----------
>    Nah. That's a crude stop and wait item. See the "waits for linefeed"
>guy. No error checking, no flow control, no nothing; just send & pray.
>    Joe D.

    Sure 'nuf is.  But hey, that's what the guy asked for...

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit question
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In article <36fens$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

>In article <36fad5$[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] writes:
>>  : ...
>>  : Kermit says:
>>  : Scan code \5386 is defined as
>>  : Ascii char: ^J \10
>>
>> This is the obvious thing to do and it is the first thing I thought of.
>> However, this does not work on my version of MS-Kermit (3.13 patch level
>> 0).  It does not report the scan code for Ctrl-Enter.
>>
>Oops, silly me!  You're right -- I was using the "other" Enter key.
>Sorry.

>I think this is a bug, and we'll have to fix it in version 3.14.  I'll
>check with Joe.

    I also tried this when I saw the previous post.  I only have one
    Enter key on my laptop keyboard; CTRL-Enter returns no scan code.
    Neither do a-z, A-Z, or CTRL-A-Z.  Alt-A-Z, all the function keys,
    and a few others, do return scan codes.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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[e-mail] (Center / NT) writes:

>One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with
>NDIS compliant ethernet adapters.

>Where can I find this?

Just do what Joe D. recommended, and search for the string "dis_pkt9" in
the file MSKERMIT.BWR (or, as it is called in the kermit directory on my PC:
KERMIT.BWR).
P.S.
--
Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
Department of Education                       Phone :     [phone]
Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     [phone]
85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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I would not have joined this pointless discussion except Frank commented "there
is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel".  So here's how I feel:
Columbia does a fantastic job with Kermit.  People who have the audacity to
tell them how to fund their work are presumptuous beyond description.  Fans
of Simtel and Garbo seem to be almost personally offended by Columbia's policy.
That is unfortunate, but the fact remains that only Columbia knows what is
best for Kermit.  The good folks at Simtel know what's best for Simtel but if
they can't convince Columbia it is in their own best interest to include
Kermit on the CD the rest of us can't either.  I don't want to see the Kermit
effort stopped and if Frank says the CD distribution increases their workload
and decreases their income that should be the end of the argument.
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: send and unlink (C-kermit/Unix)?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Richard Foulk ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Zmodem (sz) has a very nice feature, invoked with `-u' that removes
>each file just after it is successfully transmitted.

>Is there a clean and reliable way to do something similar with c-kermit?

    You could probably write a little script to do this.  Kermit sets a
    'success' flag when it completes a file transfer successfully,
    which can be tested for with an 'if success <do something>' line
    immediately following.  So you could have 'if success del
    filename'.  Consult the docs for more info on the C-Kermit script
    language.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Duncan Murdoch)
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In article <36h490$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are
>people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests
>that are in conflict with ours.

Thanks for calling me honest and decent, but believe me:  I have no
financial interest in the distribution of Kermit.

Duncan Murdoch



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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
...
>On any newsgroup, there are a few vocal people and a large mass of onlookers.
>There is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel, and the tone of
>discussions like these -- i.e. controversies -- is set by the vocal ones.
>In this case, the people who are raising objections to our policies are
>people -- honest, decent people -- who happen to have FINANCIAL interests
>that are in conflict with ours.  But in the final analysis, WE DID ALL THE
>WORK and so we get to set the terms.  Those terms are the most generous
>terms imaginable to the end user, so there is NO CAUSE FOR ANYBODY TO
>COMPLAIN.

Okay, I'll bite. I don't have any financial interests and I do
like your kermit. Here's what I have problems with:

1. You want your software to be free but you want to limit the
   distribution. How are you going to distribute it FOR FREE then?
   If you are looking for financial support, say so.
   I have NO objection with that.

2. You have negative views of those CD-ROM vendors. As a user
   I very much appreciate the availability of those CD-ROMs.

3. As an author of various free programs, I do spend my time
   writting the code (and that could be translated to thousand of
   dollars). I understand your views, you don't want a money-
   grabbing-scumbucket making money from your sweat.
   But all those CD-ROM vendors are NOT scums !!!
   What's the diff. between your program and other free/shareware
   available on SimTel ?

4. I understand you did all the work and you can set whatever
   terms you want. As a user, though, I have to warn you that
   your restriction can cause the death of your fine program.
   Thus the objections raise by the people here.

5. Personally, with all the troubles. I would rather change to
   a different program/implementation. Just one user, no big deal, eh ?
   Well, don't underestimate. I always recommend your kermit
   to friends/users/clients, and so do many people.

I hope you understand my view. You have a fine product, please
don't kill it by restricting its distribution.

-- budi
--
Budi Rahardjo <[e-mail]>
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Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba

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In article <36jrgq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi
Rahardjo) writes:
> 5. Personally, with all the troubles. I would rather change to
>    a different program/implementation. Just one user, no big deal, eh ?
>    Well, don't underestimate. I always recommend your kermit
>    to friends/users/clients, and so do many people.
>
This is a point of view that I can't understand.  Nobody is restricting your
use of Kermit software or even asking you to spend a dime for it.  You
can ftp it from any site that carries it any time you want.  But it's not
enough that we should produce the software and give it to you; we must
also give it to a third party before you will agree to use it.  The part
I don't understand is why your compassion for this third party does not
extend in equal part to the people who designed, wrote, documented, and
support the software in the first place.

- Frank

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In article <36ijfn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alan Brushaber) writes:
>
>  Would anyone know where I could get a copy of Kermit for
>a Dec Alpha?
>
>Al - [e-mail]
>

Which OS?  Dec Alpha's run at least 3.

Larry W. Finger
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From: [e-mail] (Bryan T Hoch)
Subject: Where can I get the latest version for Mac?
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    Could someone please tell me a ftp site and directory in which I can
get the NEWEST version of Kerit for Macintosh? Thanks a bunch.


Bryan

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
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Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing
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David Spencer ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I did RTFM and RTFckuker.doc. Sorry I didn't RTFckcker.upd. It didn't
: leap to mind as the file that would have what the man and .doc didn't
: have. It was, however, most helpful.

: The .upd doesn't answer the specific question. There are probably a
: few thousand knowledgeable usenetters with substantially the same
: setup. So my question still seems reasonable.

Read the five lines beginning around line 285 of kermit.upd.  I use
the recommended minimum list for C-kermit to MS-Kermit and vice-versa.
If it doesn't work for you, the next 63 lines describe what to do
next.

Sorry, but in the pc-to-mainframe world, things are not as
standardized as we would like.  For maximum throughput, a little
experimentation is needed.

If you want to avoid experimentation at some speed penalty, I
think prefixing 0 thru 31 and 128+0 thru 128+31 should handle just
about any 8N1 connection with pretty good throughput.  That takes out
all control codes and their eight bit set equivalents.

--
Rick Matthews                     [e-mail]            Ham radio:
Wake Forest University            910-759-5340   (Voice)      WA4GSP
Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507      910-759-6142   (FAX)


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing
Date: 2 Oct 1994 01:23:10 GMT
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In article <36l12k$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
writes:
> If you want to avoid experimentation at some speed penalty, I
> think prefixing 0 thru 31 and 128+0 thru 128+31 should handle just
> about any 8N1 connection with pretty good throughput.  That takes out
> all control codes and their eight bit set equivalents.
>
Which, by the way, is Kermit's default for prefixing, except that Kermit
also prefixes 127 (DEL) and 255 (DEL+128), and this is also what you get
when you SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Where can I get the latest version for Mac?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bryan
T Hoch) writes:
>     Could someone please tell me a ftp site and directory in which I can
> get the NEWEST version of Kerit for Macintosh? Thanks a bunch.
>
Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu.

directory kermit/test/text.  FTP in text mode.

Files ckm190.hqx and ckmker.bwr.

Use BinHex 4.0 to convert ckm190.hqx back to an application.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (ranan samanya)
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I'm using CKermit for OS/2 to connect to the server. When I use joe's
editor, I can't use the PGUP, PGDOWN, or any cursor keys (PGUP and PGDOWN is
reserved for Kermit's scroll screen). Is there a way to change this
behaviour?

Please reply through email if possible.


the stars be with you
(or fall upon your head) ;D

ranan samanya

<\> the Indonesian Cita Ceria, under OS/2 </>

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From: [e-mail] (Denis McKeon)
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In <36hsus$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I really wish I did not have to keep repeating myself -- it is really
>boring.  There is a paradox here: the more our software is spread to the
>general public on CDROM, and the more popular it becomes, the more work
>we have (tech support), the less time we have to devote to development,
>and the less money we have to pay for tech support AND development.

Looking at the larger issues - beyond the Kermit/Columbia/SimTel/Garbo
situation - notice that the economic viability of marketing software
on CD-ROMS exploits a market niche - with an update every 6 or 12 months,
and tens of thousands of shareware programs, and overhead limited to
pressing CDs and running an FTP site, a CDROM collection can show a profit.

Now, suppose you are an entrepreneur, and you want to market a CDROM
that contains programs that, like shareware, are intended to be
profitable, and additionally are supported in real time
(not "send me fixes, and I'll include them in the next release,"
but "call if you have problems, and we'll help you out.")

The CDROM entrepreneur and the software developer/supporters
are faced with negotiating issues like those Frank has outlined
(who gets how much from CDROM sales, how to recover support costs,
whether focus on support or on development.)  Like it or not,
those issues and the various contracts cost money.

The bottom line is that with that additional cost threshold, it is more
difficult to find an exploitable niche.  Maybe if a CDROM vendor was
able to work out the license/profit issues with several hundred software
developers who had, uhm, "senior" products (widely popular, stable,
regularly updated, possibly supported) then the CDROM vendor could
produce a profitable product (and vendors could reduce their
distribution costs by not shipping stacks of floppies.)

If a commercial multi-product CDROM with hundreds of supported products on
board (perhaps with free stripped demos, and key-coded full binaries?) was
available, how much would you pay for it?  How many useful products would
need to be on it before it was worthwhile buying rather than downloading?

Those rhetorical questions may not make sense to readers of this forum,
because if you have Usenet you are pretty likely to have FTP as well,
and could get copies of the same (or newer software) almost for free
(modulo your time, access provider bill, disk space, CPU cycles, etc.)

But suppose you didn't want to pay for or have FTP access.  Would there
then be a market niche for a CDROM vendor to fill (exploit)?  What would
a generic license agreement for this look like?  How can the legal costs
and monetary negotiation be handled at low cost?  (Looking at how actors
and musicians are compensated for residual profits might be a good
research starting point.)  Anyone who can answer those questions and
exploit any such niche might have an answer to this dilemma.


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From: [e-mail] (Greg Lehmann)
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I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have
a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a
vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the accents
are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a vt220 and
now I need to change a few things, without access to a real vt220 anymore.
The document is in french. The first thing I notice is that even the line
graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is in vt102 mode. Does
anyone know how to get it working?

Thanks,

Greg
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From: [e-mail] (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
Date: 2 Oct 1994 02:35:24 GMT
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In article <36kaa4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Smith) writes:

>I would not have joined this pointless discussion except Frank commented "there
>is no way of knowing how the silent onlookers feel".  So here's how I feel:
>Columbia does a fantastic job with Kermit.  People who have the audacity to
>tell them how to fund their work are presumptuous beyond description.  Fans
>of Simtel and Garbo seem to be almost personally offended by Columbia's policy.
>That is unfortunate, but the fact remains that only Columbia knows what is
>best for Kermit.  The good folks at Simtel know what's best for Simtel but if
>they can't convince Columbia it is in their own best interest to include
>Kermit on the CD the rest of us can't either.  I don't want to see the Kermit
>effort stopped and if Frank says the CD distribution increases their workload
>and decreases their income that should be the end of the argument.

With all due respect, Kermit is not the work of one individual.  A
number of people have invested time and energy and resources into
making Kermit what it is today.  This isn't just about Simtel and
Garbo, but about anyone who cuts a CD for an OS -- note that some
vendors no longer ship kermit with their OS, like DEC OSF/1 and BSDI.
And let's not forget those benevolent FTP archives who (ahem) do
dervie some amount of money from grants or corporate funding by
maintaining an FTP archive, like wuarchive and sunsite (just to name
two biggies) and may have a moneyary incentive (however slight) to
keep Kermit online, thus supposedly putting themselves at odds with
the Columbia people.  Already, it appears that Kermit is suffering
something of a decline as overall line quality improves, and the
omnipotent GUI has emerged.  So tell me, honestly, do YOU think that
documentation sales are going to keep Kermit alive, or is it going
to just die and spell the end of an era.

No one wants to denigrate the Kermit developers' efforts toward making
a quality software product.  But it seems like they need some help here,
and the way they want us to help them doesn't seem to help anyone.
There appear to be people out there with better funding models, and
every time someone suggests that a different funding model might better
serve the interests of everyone involved, we get a lot of voodoo and
simplistic arguments.  I'd almost call it crosstalk, but that's a
competitor, isn't it?  :)  Why isn't this work just funded by Columbia?
It certainly seems worthwhile enough just in advertising alone.

-Mike


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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
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Hmmm....I know Columbia probably doesn't have the staff for this,
but it sure sounds like a Kermit CD-ROM full of Kermits, Kermit utilities,
scripts and manuals from Columbia could be a fund generator?

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
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In this time where the legal status of Kermit on ftp sites and
CD-ROM is heavily debated, it wouldn't harm if someone from
Columbia (Frank, Joe?) could explain in some detail what is
permitted with Kermit and what not. Such a discussion happened
not too long ago about the GNU public license for their libraries.

Here are some specific questions:

1) I understood that a commercial program like Procomm could include
the Kermit protocol and source code as long as it wouldn't charge
for that. The purchase (license) price would be for the non-Kermit
part of the product alone, and the Kermit part would be passed on
to the user for free. Is this correct?

2) Could one charge money for giving someone a copy of Kermit on a
diskette, to cover the cost of the diskette and the copying of the
files, and the postage and handling? This would not be a charge for
the program itself. It would still be an opportunity to make a profit,
. The diskette maker may make a profit, the delivery service,
the guy that spends time operating the copying device (also called wage),
and so on. This opportunity of making a profit is clearly linked to
the contents of the files, in this case the quality of the Kermit
product.

3) In the case of the Simtel/Garbo CD's, did I understand it correcly
that Columbia told them that the distribution of Kermit required an
agreement with Columbia? About what kind of demands are we talking
here? If Columbia wanted one dollar for each CD, I could understand
why the CD makers remove Kermit. If it were 0.1 cent, or a 100 dollar
lump sum, It would be a little different. Right now I see a lot
of discussion without having any idea about the order of magnitude
of the problem.

4) Does Columbia _own_ all contributions made by the numerous
volunteers that actually created the various Kermit versions? Would
Columbia refuse contributions covered by the GNU public license?

5) Long ago I must have read something like: Kermit is not public domain
to prevent others from slapping their copyright mark on it. This way,
it would be truly free for everybody to use it for whatever purpose. It
is freer than public domain. Correct?

5A) If I create a program and put it in the public domain, could someone
take it, change two comments, and exclusively own that entire modified
program?

6) Suppose I run a commercial business for profit. Can I freely use
the Kermit program? Even if my business consists entirely of transfering
files through modems using Kermit?

These are my questions. Certainly, people interested in ftp-archives
and CD-ROM will have additional questions. For me, as a layman in law,
the copyright statement of Kermit sometimes needs some clarification.

Thanks, Roland
email: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Sir DarkWolf)
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I'm attempting to run kermit from a linux system installed on my pc.  I
am having serious problems (well, serious to me anyway) getting my modem
to dial.  I have a USRobotics Sportster 14400, and use the "set modem
sportster" command when running kermit, then "set line /dev/cua1", then
"set speed 9600".  But, when I dial a number, it either tells me that it
can't initialize the modem, or that the dial timeout interval was
exceeded and it dumps me back into a kermit prompt.  I have tried setting
the dial timeout interval up through 120 sec, but this still doesn't
solve it.  I have also set the dial init-string to an init string that
DOES work with crosstalk under dos.  (AT B0 X4 &B1 &H1 &R2 E0 V1).  Does
anybody have an idea what I'm doing wrong, or could prompt me for some
extra info that will help them solve this for me.  I would greatly
appreciate it.
Thanks

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From [e-mail] Sun Oct  2 14:36:50 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: CKermit keys
Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:36:50 GMT
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In article <36l4m9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (ranan
samanya) writes:
> I'm using CKermit for OS/2 to connect to the server. When I use joe's
> editor, I can't use the PGUP, PGDOWN, or any cursor keys (PGUP and PGDOWN
> is reserved for Kermit's scroll screen). Is there a way to change this
> behaviour?
>
Of course.  One of Kermit's strongest features is key mapping.

In OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(190), still in beta but not for long, each of these
actions has a "verb" associated with it.  You can assign the verb to
any key you want.  Thus you can move the rollback functions to the keys
of your choice.

Now I have no idea what "joe's editor" expects to see when you hit PgUp
and PdDown, but whatever it is, you can program those keys to send those
things.

It's all in the documentation :-)

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit on Linux help
Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:52:25 GMT
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In article <36lvt1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Sir
DarkWolf) writes:
> I'm attempting to run kermit from a linux system installed on my pc.  I
> am having serious problems (well, serious to me anyway) getting my modem
> to dial.  I have a USRobotics Sportster 14400, and use the "set modem
> sportster" command when running kermit, then "set line /dev/cua1", then
> "set speed 9600".  But, when I dial a number, it either tells me that it
> can't initialize the modem, or that the dial timeout interval was
> exceeded and it dumps me back into a kermit prompt.
>
Which version of C-Kermit are you using?  Please try version 5A(190),
still in Beta.  It has numerous low-level i/o improvements for Linux.
If you still have trouble, might I recommend pages 50-67 of the manual,
"Using C-Kermit".  Yes, 17 pages on dialing, and with good reason -- there
are more things to consider than are practical to list in a newsgroup
message.  You might also want to take a peek at the MODEMS AND DIALING
and DIALING HINTS AND TIPS sections of the ckcker.bwr file.

If you can't find the answer in any of these places, send email to me with
details about your connection, versions, and exactly which commands you used
to set up the call.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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lIn article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Greg Lehmann) writes:

> I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have
> a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a
> vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the
> accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a
> vt220 and 1now I need to change a few things, without access to a real
> vt220 anymore.  The document is in french.
>
It all works, but C-Kermit is not a mind reader.  French can be represented
by at least the following character sets on the host:

  ISO 646 French national version (7-bit)
  The VTxxx Canadian French "NRC" (7-bit)
  ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 (8-bit)
  DEC Multinational Character set (8-bit)
  Data General International (8-bit)
  Hewlett-Packard Roman8 (8-bit)
  NeXT Multinational (8-bit)

 ... to name a few.  Kermit understands all of these, but you have to tell
it which one to use.  The comand is SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET.  Come to
think of it, it is very likely that when the file was transferred to the
Sun from the PC originally, that no character-set translations were done
at all, in which case it is still encoded in an IBM code page.  Believe it
or not, you can even tell C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET CP850
(or whatever) when talking to a Sun.

Secondly, if the file is encoded in an 8-bit character you have to make
sure that you have opened up an 8-bit connection to the Sun.  Tell
C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8.  You might also have to tell the Sun
to "stty pass8".  You also have to be using an 8-bit clean editor on the
Sun, such as EMACS 19 or Mule.  EMACS 18 won't do it.  I don't know about
VI, but I doubt it.

> The first thing I notice is
> that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is
> in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working?
>
There was a bug in OS/2 C-Kermit in some of the 5A(190) Alphas and Betas,
now fixed.  Line graphics work fine in the copy that you will find on
kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file cku190.zip.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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In article <36l7j2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>Looking at the larger issues - beyond the Kermit/Columbia/SimTel/Garbo
>situation - notice that the economic viability of marketing software

The understandable problem with this difficult discussion have been
its excessive simplifications.  There is one further facet that has
not been brought up emphatically, so I will.

Take an obviously popular university FTP site like Garbo.  Contrary
to what some users may have assumed, we certainly do not exist for
the purpose of generating profits.  In fact all the Garbo users are
heavily subsidized by the tax-payers.  Just like all the Internet
users are, more or less, since this is net is much financed from
public funds throughout the world.  Every FTP user and everyone now
reading this posting (you and I included!) is dipping into someone
else's pocket! So are the SimTel users even if SimTel is compelled
to be more self-sufficient than we are, and needs the proceeds from
the CDROM in order to exist for you.  Else it will cease to exist
for us all.

Since also Garbo happens to be a popular FTP site, there is a good
chance that also we will be put an a CDROM.  I do not want to forbid
that possibility to retain all possible programs.

I must confess that I am worried about the current trend which the
Kermit restriction exemplifies as one of the many.  HERE IS THE
POINT: Taken to the extremes this general trend will begin to affect
the responsibly acting FTP sites, and the FREE services they provide
to the net.  Already the trend has caused a lot of extra work also
to the FTP site maintainers.  That extra work taxes our resources
and takes away from the services we provide, and it affects the
motivation of FTP site maintainers.  (Just like this unfortunately
taxes Frank's capacity).

Kermit is by far not the only such case this season.  Nor is a
single university (Columbia) responsible for what is happening in
general.  I am not trying to say that, in case someone
misunderstands.

In broad terms all this exemplifies the current 'to be or not to be'
status of the Internet community.  The ideals and the financial
realities are clashing more and more, as every user with sufficient
experience on Usenet will have gathered.

Sigh!  This no longer feels like only a comp.protocols.kermit.misc
subject.  Maybe we should find a more appropriate newsgroup for
discussing the broader issue and its imlications.

   All the best, Timo

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From [e-mail] Sun Oct  2 14:32:34 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
Date: 2 Oct 1994 14:32:34 GMT
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

: In article <36jrgq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi
: Rahardjo) writes:
: > 5. Personally, with all the troubles. I would rather change to
: >    a different program/implementation. Just one user, no big deal, eh ?
: >    Well, don't underestimate. I always recommend your kermit
: >    to friends/users/clients, and so do many people.
: >
: This is a point of view that I can't understand.  Nobody is restricting your
: use of Kermit software or even asking you to spend a dime for it.  You
: can ftp it from any site that carries it any time you want.

What about those people who don't have access to FTP?
Do you also send floppy disks for FREE?

: But it's not
: enough that we should produce the software and give it to you; we must
: also give it to a third party before you will agree to use it.

You are missing the point. You are RESTRICTING it to 3rd party,
which is actually helping you to distribute kermit. You are restricting
the distribution.
You have a view that these 3rd parties are scums, milking your sweat,
where actually they help you distribute your program. Where is your
compassion too?

Nobody is forcing me to buy their CDs. I am willingly paid for the CD,
and I KNOW all the programs are available for FREE.

: The part
: I don't understand is why your compassion for this third party does not
: extend in equal part to the people who designed, wrote, documented, and
: support the software in the first place.

The problem I have is you are making the distribution convoluted.
If I were to give somebody a copy of kermit on a disk and I charge him/her
the price of a disk, you are going to accuse me of selling kermit.
How about if somebody put your kermit in a paid-BBS ?
Are you going to get the BBS sysop too?
Are you going to remove kermit from Linux CDs ???

In a way, I am also helping you guys to distribute kermit and making
it popular. In some cases I also helping people to configure it
(in a way supporting it). Am I getting paid for it ? No.
It's your program, you can do whatever you want.
But if it makes it difficult for us to distribute it ... I won't do it.

I salute those people who design, wrote, documented, and support
the software. But you are missing one more group, people who distribute
the software.

To put it bluntly, you have a really good software but you want to
keep it to yourself, or mildly, you want to be the central distribution.
Fine. My 2 cents.


: - Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright
Date: 2 Oct 1994 15:57:23 GMT
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In article <36lpdt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
writes:
> In this time where the legal status of Kermit on ftp sites and
> CD-ROM is heavily debated, it wouldn't harm if someone from
> Columbia (Frank, Joe?) could explain in some detail what is
> permitted with Kermit and what not. Such a discussion happened
> not too long ago about the GNU public license for their libraries.
>
OK, I'll give it a shot, but with all the standard disclaimers,
like you see at the bottom of car-leasing commercials :-)

> 1) I understood that a commercial program like Procomm could include
> the Kermit protocol and source code as long as it wouldn't charge
> for that. The purchase (license) price would be for the non-Kermit
> part of the product alone, and the Kermit part would be passed on
> to the user for free. Is this correct?
>
This has been our policy from the beginning, but it is clearly not a
good one for anybody but the commercial software makers.  Why?

 . Columbia gets no income.
 . Real Kermit software loses "market share".
 . The Kermit implementations in many of these programs give
   Kermit a bad name.
 . These people *are* making money from Kermit -- Look at all the
   postings on the many newsgroups from people talking about using
   Kermit in <commercial-or-shareware-package-of-your-choice>.  Who
   is to say the presence of the word "Kermit" on their package
   has not affected their sales?
 . We (Columbia) get countless tech support questions from users of
   these products.  Some of the vendors even go so far as to tell
   their customers: "Kermit problem? Call Columbia."

It's another case of "they get the money, we get the extra work", AND the
bad rep in the newsgroups and the trade press to boot.  But to answer your
question: no, there is nothing to stop anybody from writing a Kermit
implementation, no matter how minimal or buggy, without asking permission
from Columbia.  They cannot, however, use or even look at our copyrighted
source code without our permission.

> 2) Could one charge money for giving someone a copy of Kermit on a
> diskette, to cover the cost of the diskette and the copying of the
> files, and the postage and handling? This would not be a charge for
> the program itself. It would still be an opportunity to make a profit,
> .. The diskette maker may make a profit, the delivery service,
> the guy that spends time operating the copying device (also called wage),
> and so on. This opportunity of making a profit is clearly linked to
> the contents of the files, in this case the quality of the Kermit
> product.
>
I'm not going to answer this one directly.  Everybody looks for loopholes
to exploit.  Here is what we WANT to happen: if you use MS-DOS Kermit or
C-Kermit enough to need to know anything about it, purchase the manual.
If you don't do that, you waste your time and ours, and the net's.  You
run up bigger phone bills that you would have if you had read the manual,
etc etc, and, yes, buying the manual helps keep the Kermit effort alive.

> 3) In the case of the Simtel/Garbo CD's, did I understand it correcly
> that Columbia told them that the distribution of Kermit required an
> agreement with Columbia?
>
More to the point: the copyright notice says that, and the copyright
notice was overlooked.

> About what kind of demands are we talking here?
>
That's between us and the CD maker or any other commercial establishment
that wants to redistribute our software.  The negotiations are private.

> 4) Does Columbia _own_ all contributions made by the numerous
> volunteers that actually created the various Kermit versions? Would
> Columbia refuse contributions covered by the GNU public license?
>
First let me say that we have always gone out of our way to publicly
acknowledge all contributed code and bug fixes, and publicly thank and
praise the contributors.  I believe, but I can't swear, that everybody who
makes such contributions understands that they are going into copyrighted
software.  Nobody has ever complained about this.  This is a system that
works -- the contributors get the features and fixes they want, and these
get supported and carried forward into new releases, and lots of other
people benefit at the same time.  If you're asking me, do I make them sign
a waiver, no I do not.

Can we get real here for a minute?  This used to be a collegial,
cooperative, worldwide effort, unhampered by pointless legalisms, from
which *everybody* benefitted -- even significant numbers of entrepreneurs
after they entered into agreements with us.  It even used to be... fun.
Kermit has played a major role in many humanitarian causes -- cancer and
AIDS research, Bosnian war relief, ozone layer research in Antarctica,
space exploration, etc etc, where the cost of any other solution would
have been prohibitive -- it has saved lives, promoted communication in
parts of the world that could not have accomplished it any other way,
helped to spread democracy (more about this next month), and much more.
On a more mundane level, I would venture to say that it has saved
universities, governments, and other cash-poor institutions billions of
dollars, which ultimately would have come out of your pocket in taxes or
tuition.

Who on this planet has suffered from how we conduct our business?  Now you
want us to bring in the lawyers and accountants?

> 5) Long ago I must have read something like: Kermit is not public domain
> to prevent others from slapping their copyright mark on it. This way,
> it would be truly free for everybody to use it for whatever purpose. It
> is freer than public domain. Correct?
>
In a sense, it is.  The copyright notice prevents commercial enterprises
from distributing our software without our permission.  It places no
restrictions on anybody's use of the software, only the redistribution of it
by commercial enterprises.

> 5A) If I create a program and put it in the public domain, could someone
> take it, change two comments, and exclusively own that entire modified
> program?
>
Yes.  And if you were still using your own copy of it, they could take you
to court.  There was a case about 15 years ago where a university had to
pay a big settlement in court because an entrepeneur took their
public-domain code, which they had written themselves for their own use,
slapped his copyright on it, and then sued them for using it.  Sorry, I
can't recall the name or docket-number of the case, but there really was
a case like this.

> 6) Suppose I run a commercial business for profit. Can I freely use
> the Kermit program? Even if my business consists entirely of transfering
> files through modems using Kermit?
>
Yes, on your computer.  But you can't give out copies of our software to
your customers without our permission.

Obviously, however, if you were a very rich and prominent business,
it might be in your interest to help support our continued work -- if
we went under, then so could you.

> These are my questions. Certainly, people interested in ftp-archives
> and CD-ROM will have additional questions. For me, as a layman in law,
> the copyright statement of Kermit sometimes needs some clarification.
>
I think what disturbs me most about this discussion is that people seem
to be more concerned with "how can we make money from this?" than "how can
I get it for my own use?" or "how can I learn to use it more effectively?".

If you want to make money from our work, then you will have to share that
money with us.

If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to spend one red
cent.  If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you advocate, then everybody
who uses it would have to (a) send us money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become
an outlaw.  That would include the universities, government agencies,
research institute, hospitals, convents, and orphanages.

Why don't we give it rest, eh?  Thanks.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
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In article <36mj8t$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
> In article <36l7j2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> >Looking at the larger issues - beyond the Kermit/Columbia/SimTel/Garbo
> >situation - notice that the economic viability of marketing software
> etc etc...
>
Yes, Timo.  We are living in times when the Internet is changing from
a publicly sponsored medium for the free exchange of "ideas" (in the
broadest sense) to a commodity exchange.  This is one of the growing
pains.  To compound the problem, most newcomers to the Internet view it
as a giant bag of free goodies and have no conception of the amount of
work that went into establishing the foundations of the Internet, and
all the software and other resources that lay at their fingertips.  The
idea is to take what you can get and run, and pay no thought to tomorrow.

> I must confess that I am worried about the current trend which the
> Kermit restriction exemplifies as one of the many.  HERE IS THE
> POINT: Taken to the extremes this general trend will begin to affect
> the responsibly acting FTP sites, and the FREE services they provide
> to the net.  Already the trend has caused a lot of extra work also
> to the FTP site maintainers.  That extra work taxes our resources
> and takes away from the services we provide, and it affects the
> motivation of FTP site maintainers.  (Just like this unfortunately
> taxes Frank's capacity).
>
Actually, this new trend is only the expected and logical outcome of
the trend that directly preceded it -- the commercialization of the net
by turning ftp archive sites into CD-ROM masters.  The net was not
designed for that.  Now it seems we all have to do more work, and as
Timo observes, that work must be paid for.  Soon there will be
bureaucracies, regulating agencies, waivers, loyalty oaths, and taxes
(in one form or another) to pay for them.  Who will benefit?  The
lawyers and investors.

> Sigh!  This no longer feels like only a comp.protocols.kermit.misc
> subject.  Maybe we should find a more appropriate newsgroup for
> discussing the broader issue and its imlications.
>
Ha ha, good luck, Timo!  It took me *months* to get this newsgroup
established, and boy am I glad I did!

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta
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In article <36mi9l$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>lIn article <[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] (Greg Lehmann) writes:
>
>> I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have
>> a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a
>> vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the
>> accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a
>> vt220 and 1now I need to change a few things, without access to a real
>> vt220 anymore.  The document is in french.
>>
>It all works, but C-Kermit is not a mind reader.  French can be represented
>by at least the following character sets on the host:
>
>  ISO 646 French national version (7-bit)
>  The VTxxx Canadian French "NRC" (7-bit)
>  ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 (8-bit)
>  DEC Multinational Character set (8-bit)
>  Data General International (8-bit)
>  Hewlett-Packard Roman8 (8-bit)
>  NeXT Multinational (8-bit)
>
> ... to name a few.  Kermit understands all of these, but you have to tell
>it which one to use.  The comand is SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET.  Come to

This part is correct.  Word Perfect exists on the Sun as a Sun executable.
There was no file transfer.  So don't worry about the IBM code pages.
>
>Secondly, if the file is encoded in an 8-bit character you have to make
>sure that you have opened up an 8-bit connection to the Sun.  Tell
>C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8.  You might also have to tell the Sun
>to "stty pass8".

This is accurate.

>You also have to be using an 8-bit clean editor on the
>Sun, such as EMACS 19 or Mule.  EMACS 18 won't do it.  I don't know about
>VI, but I doubt it.

Again.  Don't worry about this.  You are using Word Perfect as your editor.

>> The first thing I notice is
>> that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is
>> in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working?
>>
>There was a bug in OS/2 C-Kermit in some of the 5A(190) Alphas and Betas,
>now fixed.  Line graphics work fine in the copy that you will find on
>kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file cku190.zip.
>
>- Frank

Just set the character set to an appropriate one.  And us the Updates
command to view the CKERMIT.INF file.  Look up the Compose command which
will allow you to easily enter all of the accented characters.

Have a nice day.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
Date: 2 Oct 1994 16:28:00 GMT
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In article <36mga2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi
Rahardjo) writes:
> You have a view that these 3rd parties are scums, milking your sweat,
> where actually they help you distribute your program. Where is your
> compassion too?
>
Not all all.  Timo and Keith are good guys.  But our interests in this
matter our diametrically opposed.  Let me ONCE AGAIN very briefly say:

  CDROMs are perfect for distributing shareware.  I praise Timo,
  Keith, Walnut Creek, and everybody who distributes shareware on
  CDROMs or any other way.  CDROMs are also good for *true* freeeware,
  i.e. software whose development and maintenance does not need to
  be supported in any way, but in that case you get what you pay for.

CDROMs, however, are not good for distributing software that does not
fall into these categories.  Kermit is such software.

- Frank

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I use KERMIT as my primary(only) comm. software, mostly to tie into my
University's computer(internet) and to download files. The problem I
have, even when connecting at speeds of 9600 and above, my download time
is so slow. It takes more than an hour to dowload a 1 meg file. Is this
normal, and if not, what can be done to fix it? Thanks!


--
Bill Maly
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <36fu6e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James Sturdevant) writes:
: > Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: > : In article <36evui$[e-mail]>
: > : [e-mail] writes:
: > : >   This has been bugging me for a long time but I do not know what to do
: > : > about it:  Ctrl-ENTER returns a Ctrl-J character (linefeed).  Is there
: > : > anyway to suppress this?   That is, have Ctrl-ENTER simply return a RET
: > : > character?
: > : >
: > [Snip] Advice on redefining keys...
: >
: > That works on most keys...  Two keys left of the the "dual entry" table are
: > Ctrl-J/Ctrl-Enter and Esc/Ctrl-[.  I believe that these are the only two (on
: > standard 101 keyboards) that cannot be independently defined.
: >
: > JamesS
: ----------
:     Yup. Control-Enter is ^J from the Bios and we can't distinguish it
: from typing Control-J. It is one of the many "features" of the IBM PC Bios.
:     Joe D.
Yes, but there are different scan codes along with the ascii code. You
differentiate between the enter key and ctrl-M, the duplicate keys on the
keypad and the keyboard, etc.  All I am interested in is differentiating these
keys also.  (I have source code if you want it!)

JamesS

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In article <36mmu9$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(WhoWantsTaKnow) writes:
> I use KERMIT as my primary(only) comm. software, mostly to tie into my
> University's computer(internet) and to download files. The problem I
> have, even when connecting at speeds of 9600 and above, my download time
> is so slow. It takes more than an hour to dowload a 1 meg file. Is this
> normal, and if not, what can be done to fix it? Thanks!
>
>
Oh good, we have come full circle.  I now reproduce my very first posting
to this newsgroup.  Ah, memories...

To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is
Asked so Frequently :-) ...

Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit
transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of
the box, when it works it goes fast.  The tradeoff is that it often does
not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways --
escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc.  In some cases
it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the
connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends.

Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files --
out of the box, even under hostile conditions.  By default, it does not
assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large
buffers are available.  It does not even assume a full-duplex connection.
The tradeoff is speed.

In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from
perfect.  7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are
very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications
processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively,
telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array
of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and
services.  Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs
have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy.
The list goes on.  This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default
tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified
reputation for dependability.

Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its
reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness:

  Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning.

However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit
by changing a few parameters.  But first, here are some general principles
that apply to all communications software:

 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at
    every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file
    transfer protocol).  For example, when using high-speed,
    error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow
    control, most commonly RTS/CTS.  You have to tell the software to use
    it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow
    control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will
    be lost.

 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it.  Fix the
    interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if
    possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface
    speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to
    be wasted.

 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off
    flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method
    supplies fully effective flow control.

Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps:

 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial
    packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the
    performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to
    control them.

 2. Use long packets.  Kermit's default packet length is 94.  You can
    increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024.  Give the following
    command to the file receiver:

      SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000  ; (or other length)

    The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer
    will be... IF IT WORKS.  If you make packets longer than some buffer
    somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the
    transfer might not work.  Also, the longer the packet, the greater
    the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to
    retransmit.

 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows.  Sliding windows
    allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than
    "stop and wait" style.  The command is:

      SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number)

    The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation).  Give
    this command to *both* Kermit programs.

For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very
good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range.  For compressed
files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out
another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of
control characters.  A typical sequence might be:

  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL  ;  Unprefix all control characters.
  SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ...  ; Add back prefixes for these.

This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a
communication software program can know what characters are safe and
which ones are not on a particular connection.  For example, you might be
going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD
prompt.  Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where
Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt.  Or the
connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a
data character might freeze the connection.

If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window
sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to,
and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix,
Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a
V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600
bps interface speed:

  Typical text files:        3500 cps (characters per second)
  Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE)
  Compressed files:          1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files)

These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via
anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file
newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript).  Also see newsn4.txt (.ps)
for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows.

Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu
[128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories.  There are
literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine
and operating system imaginable.  The most widely used Kermit programs
are:

 . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows.
   No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this
   is the software we recommend for Windows.
   File: kermit/bin/msvib.zip.

 . C-Kermit 5A(189) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc.
   UNIX: kermit/bin/cku190.tar.Z.
   VMS: Get kermit/b/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.
   Others: Get kermit/b/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.

 . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC.
   kermit/b/ik*.*.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Policy, final word
Date: 2 Oct 1994 18:17:30 GMT
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Signing off from this discussion:

 a. Apologies to anyone I have offended, and to anyone else who might
    have been offended by anything that has passed through this newsgroup
    even if it wasn't offensive.

 b. If you want to use Kermit softwre, go ahead and use it.  Same as
    always.  No change.

 c. If you want to *sell* Kermit software, get in touch with us and we'll
    talk about it.  Same as always, no change.  (Lest I have misspoken
    again, then let me rephrase: If you want to sell an object or other
    entity that has Kermit software engraved, embedded, inscribed, or
    otherwise adhering to it or imprinted upon its molecular structure,
    in a fashion that is retrievable or usable by your customers or
    clients, also please consult with us first.)

 d. If all you want is an argument, there is a great Monty Python skit
    I can recommend ... :-)

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
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Subject: Re: Are Columbia U's files still avial for FTP?
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Denis McKeon ([e-mail]) wrote:
: The CDROM entrepreneur and the software developer/supporters
: are faced with negotiating issues like those Frank has outlined
: (who gets how much from CDROM sales, how to recover support costs,
: whether focus on support or on development.)  Like it or not,
: those issues and the various contracts cost money.

: The bottom line is that with that additional cost threshold, it is more
: difficult to find an exploitable niche.

I don't think we need to worry about what would happen to the
PD/shareware CD-ROM vendors if "everything like Kermit" had similar
distribution policies.  There simply isn't that much stuff out there
that is high quality, free, complex enough to require substantial
support, and well supported, which is my definition of "like Kermit."

And even if there was, it's the developers' call to make.

--
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In article <36mmu9$[e-mail]>,
WhoWantsTaKnow ([e-mail]) wrote:

>I use KERMIT as my primary(only) comm. software, mostly to tie into my
>University's computer(internet) and to download files. The problem I
>have, even when connecting at speeds of 9600 and above, my download time
>is so slow. It takes more than an hour to dowload a 1 meg file. Is this
>normal, and if not, what can be done to fix it? Thanks!

    o If the file is not already compressed, compress it.
    o Use (reasonably) long packets-- 1K-2K works well.
    o Use sliding windows (3-5 usually works well).
    o Unprefix as many control characters as you can (this requires
      experimentation, but in general you need to prefix OS-sensitive
      characters such as ^C (DOS and Unix), ^Z (Unix), and also ^M
      (CR), ^J (LF), ^A (start of packet), etc).
    o Get the latest Kermit software; older versions don't support
      these features.
    o Read the help files and spend some time experimenting to find out
      how to make and optimize these settings.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright
Date: 2 Oct 1994 19:12:33 GMT
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In article <36ml93$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:In article <36lpdt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
:writes:
:> 3) In the case of the Simtel/Garbo CD's, did I understand it correcly
:> that Columbia told them that the distribution of Kermit required an
:> agreement with Columbia?
:>
:More to the point: the copyright notice says that, and the copyright
:notice was overlooked.

Exactly.  That is true.  And, as you know, as responsible net
citizens we remedied the situation at our end immediately when we
realized the conditions.  I am *NOT* objecting, but the sadly funny
part is that the more responsibly one acts the more often one gets
bitten.  I am not changing that, though.

:Who on this planet has suffered from how we conduct our business?  Now you
:want us to bring in the lawyers and accountants?

Frank, on the lighter side of things.  Do you realize that I *AM* an
accountant.  Perhaps it explains everything :-).

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP  archives  128.214.87.1
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From: [e-mail] (Greg Lehmann)
Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

>In article <36mi9l$[e-mail]>,
>Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>lIn article <[e-mail]>
>>[e-mail] (Greg Lehmann) writes:
>>
>>> I have read the manuals but am afraid the terminology does me in. I have
>>> a wordperfect document on a sun and want to edit it on my pc emulating a
>>> vt220. It appears that the character sets are stuffed up because the
>>> accents are not working properly. It was originally entered into wp on a
>>> vt220 and 1now I need to change a few things, without access to a real
>>> vt220 anymore.  The document is in french.
>>>
>>It all works, but C-Kermit is not a mind reader.  French can be represented
>>by at least the following character sets on the host:
>>
>>  ISO 646 French national version (7-bit)
>>  The VTxxx Canadian French "NRC" (7-bit)
>>  ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1 (8-bit)
>>  DEC Multinational Character set (8-bit)
>>  Data General International (8-bit)
>>  Hewlett-Packard Roman8 (8-bit)
>>  NeXT Multinational (8-bit)
>>
>> ... to name a few.  Kermit understands all of these, but you have to tell
>>it which one to use.  The comand is SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET.  Come to

>This part is correct.  Word Perfect exists on the Sun as a Sun executable.
>There was no file transfer.  So don't worry about the IBM code pages.

I did

SET TERM CHAR FRENCH
SET TERM BYTE 8

and checked with show term after starting kermit

>>Secondly, if the file is encoded in an 8-bit character you have to make
>>sure that you have opened up an 8-bit connection to the Sun.  Tell
>>C-Kermit to SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8.  You might also have to tell the Sun
>>to "stty pass8".

>This is accurate.

on the sun (sunos 4.1.3) I did an (which was something I hadn't tried before)

stty pass8

>>You also have to be using an 8-bit clean editor on the
>>Sun, such as EMACS 19 or Mule.  EMACS 18 won't do it.  I don't know about
>>VI, but I doubt it.

>Again.  Don't worry about this.  You are using Word Perfect as your editor.

>>> The first thing I notice is
>>> that even the line graphics don't work, although they do when kermit is
>>> in vt102 mode. Does anyone know how to get it working?
>>>
>>There was a bug in OS/2 C-Kermit in some of the 5A(190) Alphas and Betas,
>>now fixed.  Line graphics work fine in the copy that you will find on
>>kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file cku190.zip.


I only got the last one from there about 1 week ago.
Still, after all these suggestions, the accents are wrong and there is no
line graphics box around the WordPerfect and Version 5.1 message at
startup. Instead there are J's and K's etc.


>Just set the character set to an appropriate one.  And us the Updates
>command to view the CKERMIT.INF file.  Look up the Compose command which
>will allow you to easily enter all of the accented characters.


Thanks for the help so far but have you any other ideas on what to try?
--
Greg Lehmann,
CSIRO Division of Manufacturing Technology,   Telephone: [phone]
P.O. Box 883, Kenmore, QLD 4069, Australia.   Facsimile: [phone]
2643 Moggill Rd., Pinjarra Hills, QLD 4069.   Internet:  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: vt220 mode in OS/2 ckermit 1.90 beta
Date: 2 Oct 1994 23:11:38 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Greg Lehmann) writes:
> I did:
>
> SET TERM CHAR FRENCH
> SET TERM BYTE 8
>
But how do you know the character-set is "french"?  How do you know it
is not Latin-1, or DEC-MCS, or one of the others?  Note that "french"
is a 7-bit set, so you don't need to SET TERM BYTE 8 in order to use it.
Ditto for "stty pass8" on the Sun.

Why don't we take this offline -- please send me a message containing:

 . The exact Kermit version, e.g. 5A(190) Beta.23 18 Sep 94.
 . The exact sequence of commands you issued.
 . A uuencoded piece of the file in question so I can figure out
   which character-set it is encoded in.

Thanks.

- Frank <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail] (Pat Fogarty)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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It seems to me that if the principals in this brouhaha can agree to
respect each other's positions, all the rest of us should do likewise.

As far as folks without ftp access, there's usually a free BBS around
with it. Or email ftp. Or break down and buy a disk from Columbia. It's
not like there's a new version out three times a year.


My .02; you mileage may vary....


Pat

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From: [e-mail] (Russell Nelson)
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Subject: Re: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit?
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In article <36el10$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo) writes:

   Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just
   load IPX? Or do I use a different driver software?  correctly, upon
   knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I can just go
   into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX.

It's not even that hard.  Just install a packet driver.  Put it at
0x7e (I've never heard any complaints about conflicts at that
interrupt).  So for the NE2000, you'd say "ne2000 0x7e 3 0x300".  Then
set Kermit up to use TCP/IP (and you don't even need the above command
-- it's only used if you have multiple packet drivers), and whooosh,
you're up.

--
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In <36ml93$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> . Columbia gets no income.
> . Real Kermit software loses "market share".
> . The Kermit implementations in many of these programs give
>   Kermit a bad name.
> . These people *are* making money from Kermit -- Look at all the
>   postings on the many newsgroups from people talking about using
>   Kermit in <commercial-or-shareware-package-of-your-choice>.  Who
>   is to say the presence of the word "Kermit" on their package
>   has not affected their sales?
> . We (Columbia) get countless tech support questions from users of
>   these products.  Some of the vendors even go so far as to tell
>   their customers: "Kermit problem? Call Columbia."

Let I start with saying that I don't understand this argument. Frank
stated that they have to distribute copies to het some income. Still he
allows the software on FTP and also maintains the claim that the software is
free, also fine. CDROM whould make the distribution too broad without
generating income; also fine.

Now if I get Kermit from the FTP archive at Columbia and put it on a local
BBS (which is permitted as far as I understood the copyright). Every copy
from the BBS doesn't generate any income. This is also the case if I give
a copy to a friend (and he will pass a copy to his friends because kermit is
great!). The distribution as it is now is a pyramid sceme, generating a lot
of copies without income for Columbia.

Frank explicity prohibited distribution on CDROM with the argument that it
will not generate income. If that is the goal then excluding CDROM is not
enough to accomplish that. The only way to limit copying without income is:

a) You either get it directly from an FTP site on internet.
b) Or you get it by mail order from Columbia.

So no more copying for friends or distribution through BBSses - this will
surely limit the number of copies (and will make it almost impossible in
Europe to get it unless you are connected to Internet or know exactly where
to write to to order it).

But the argument I hear is that the distribution policy is not changed so you
will allow the generation of copies without income as long as it is not
through CDROM - this is the part I don't understand. Do CDROMs contribute so
much to the distribution (and use!) of kermit that it is worthwhile to make
an exception (and make it difficult for us all)? I assume you'll say yes but
frankly I have my doubts.

All I can say is that I came to know kermit trough Garbo; Timo has a lot of
tools for kermit on his system (some of which he created himself) and that's
what caught my attention. We are now considering use of Kermit in a large
project (which we will negotiate with Columbia and pay for of couse) so maybe
the copy of your software on Garbo will pay off in the end.

Henk.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit packets past 9024 barrier??
Date: 3 Oct 1994 02:40:43 -0700
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> Any way to increase packet sizes past 9024??
>    Read up on Columbia Kermits, discover sliding windows. 31 window
>slots times 9KB per slot/packet = 279KB of stuff to be held pending ack.

Is that something new with version 3.14 or 5A(190)?

The versions of Kermit I've been using limit the buffer to 9024 bytes
total, to be divided between the windows.

    tardis% kermit
    C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
    Type ? or HELP for help
    C-Kermit>set window 31
     Adjusting receive packet-length to 286 for 31 window slots
    C-Kermit>quit

On a related subject, I have found that when going through TYMNET, I can
get full speed by setting the number of window slots to anything above 1.
In particular, when downloading files from a Sun UNIX host to my Amiga
at home, SET WINDOW 2 is sufficient to keep the receive light flashing
continuously.

    -Joe
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Which ethernet card for MS-Kermit?
Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:08:53 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Russell Nelson) writes:
> In article <36el10$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Fozziliny
Moo) writes:
>
>    Is an NE2000 compatible card going to work for me? Then do I just
>    load IPX? Or do I use a different driver software?  correctly, upon
>    knowing the software interrupt of the device driver I can just go
>    into MS-Kermit and say SET TCP/IP PACKET-DRIVER-INTERRUPT \xXX.
>
> It's not even that hard.  Just install a packet driver.  Put it at
> 0x7e (I've never heard any complaints about conflicts at that
> interrupt).  So for the NE2000, you'd say "ne2000 0x7e 3 0x300".  Then
> set Kermit up to use TCP/IP (and you don't even need the above command
> -- it's only used if you have multiple packet drivers), and whooosh,
> you're up.
>
Thanks, Russ.

And as Joe pointed, we are absolutely not in the business of recommending
hardware.  But...

It migh be a useful exercise if those of you who are using MS-DOS Kermit's
built-in TCP/IP stack over a network board (not a serial port thru SLIP)
drop a note to [e-mail] listing:

PC hardware and OS and OS version
Network board make and model
Netword board driver(s) and version(s)

so we can compile a list of combinations that are known to work.  While
this list will not comprise any kind of recommendation, it will still be
useful.

And of course if you have a board and/or driver that does not work with
Kermit, let us know too.  We'll try to help you get it going, and if the
combination is hopeless (we don't know of any like this), that's useful
information too.

Thanks.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit packets past 9024 barrier??
Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:15:47 GMT
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In article <36ojir$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Smith)
writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
writes:
> >> Any way to increase packet sizes past 9024??
> >Read up on Columbia Kermits, discover sliding windows. 31 window
> >slots times 9KB per slot/packet = 279KB of stuff to be held pending ack.
> Is that something new with version 3.14 or 5A(190)?
> The versions of Kermit I've been using limit the buffer to 9024 bytes
> total, to be divided between the windows.
>
Not at all.  As Joe says, you can have 31 x 9024 packets in the pipe at
once.  In the new versions (3.14 and 5A(190)), 32 x 9024.

Obviously, you need the memory to hold all these packet buffers.
32 x 9024 = 288768 bytes.  In MS-DOS Kermit, that means free physical
conventional memory.  (Yes, we considered putting packet buffers "high",
but it turns out to be a bad idea for performance reasons.)

In C-Kermit, you might have to give a SET BUFFERS command first, to allocate
the buffer memory.  This might seem silly to you, but there is a good reason
for it -- see the documentation.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit for DOS/V (Kanji Terminal Emulation)
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On 20 Sep 1994, [e-mail] (Earl H. Kinmonth) wrote:
> Does anyone know the current state of kermit for DOS/V (the
> IBM/Microsoft dual mode version for Japanese/English)?  I have a 3.13
> beta from a site in Japan, but it has one bug that renders it almost
> unusable.  The code conversion does not work properly for Old-Jis
> coding as used by Japan's largest commercial database vendor, Nikkei
> Telecom.
>
I don't know about the 3.13 beta you have -- Kanji terminal emulation for
DOS/V might or might not be in it.  It will be in version 3.14 when it is
announced (hopefully very soon).  I sent your question to the person who
wrote the Kanji terminal support for MS-DOS Kermit and received this
response:

"Sorry for the delay.

"I don't know about the Nikkei Data Base, and unfortunately, I have
no friends who are using that DataBase.

"However, I got another report from someone who is using the Nikkei
Telecom DataBase, and he pointed out that Nikkei Telecom uses an
improper ESC sequence to designate the JIS X 201 character set.  This
is a well-known wrong sequence which was implemented in very very old
software, and the sequence is 'ESC ( H' which should be used to
designate the Swedish character set."

So it looks like the right thing to do would be to get Nikkei Telecom
to fix their character-set designating escape sequence.  If this is not
the correct answer, let me know.

- Frank

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Why is it that I have to issue local kermit commands as well as remote
ones. Would it not be possible to have the local copy of Kermit simply
respond to the start of packet characters and behave like a server at
all times?

Similarly would it be possible (on suitable OSs) to have the kermit
server program pass all non-kermit characters to another process via a
virtual terminal thus allowing the use of a mixture of Kermit server
commands and direct host OS interaction without the need to start the
and stop the remote server?
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Subject: Undocumented kermit server commands?
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I've looked in "Kermit, A file transfer protocol" but I cannot find
docuemntation of what the "REMOTE SET" command sends to the server.

It appears to send a kermit generic command (packet type "G") with a
command "S".

I have assumed that this is equivlent to a command "V", subcommand
"S". Am I right?

Is there a table anywhere that list the standard variable names
(numbers?).

I would go look in the source myself but I read somewhere that
because I'm incorporating support for kermit protocols into another
program I'm not allowed to even *look at* the sources!
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From [e-mail] Mon Oct  3 13:48:20 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Transparent kermit servers
Date: 3 Oct 1994 13:48:20 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
> Why is it that I have to issue local kermit commands as well as remote
> ones. Would it not be possible to have the local copy of Kermit simply
> respond to the start of packet characters and behave like a server at
> all times?
>
Yes, it should be.  Read the release notes (.upd files) for the forthcoming
new versions of MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, and IBM mainframe Kermit.

> Similarly would it be possible (on suitable OSs) to have the kermit
> server program pass all non-kermit characters to another process via a
> virtual terminal thus allowing the use of a mixture of Kermit server
> commands and direct host OS interaction without the need to start the
> and stop the remote server?
>
How does the server tell the difference between non-Kermit characters
and a trashed Kermit packet?

- Frank
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Subject: Re: Undocumented kermit server commands?
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
> I've looked in "Kermit, A file transfer protocol" but I cannot find
> docuemntation of what the "REMOTE SET" command sends to the server.
>
For now, it's still in Info-Kermit Digest V 11 # 1, 4 Jan 1990,
available on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file mail.90a.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright
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Dear Frank,

    I've been a quiet viewer of this discussion.

    You have my upmost respect and admiration for Kermit, for making
yourself available (which took more guts than I can ever imagine having),
for sticking to your guns.

    I'm not much of a prayer but you have my prayers, Frank.  Kermit
has saved me more times than I can count.  Whenever my hard drive decides
not to work, and I need to get online to finish up a project (or to read
news, answer mail), I pop in my emergency bootup-Kermit diskette.  Nothing
else is as reliable as Kermit.  Nothing else is as sturdy, dependable and
nearly as marvelous as Kermit.

I've advocated its use by local BBS sysops so that they can impliment the
"real" Kermit.  Most of them have purchased the manuals from the local
Barnes & Noble so that they could make the most out of it.

And seeing the dedication of Frank to following his ideals, I will
finally (finally!) purchase the documentation, as I'm at the point where
the things I want to do I simply *can't* do without knowing more of what
I'm doing :-)

You have my blessings, Frank, and the Kermit development team.


Ken
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        I need a SUPER KERMIT protocol, used in Sprint Networks
desctiption and/or C source code.



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In article <[e-mail]>,
Sergio Fanchiotti <[e-mail]> wrote:

:Keith & Frank,
:
:
:    Well, as someone looking at this silly discussion for some time
:    it seems that the time has come to get to work on a GPL'd version
:    of a portable data transfer program like Kermit (As Les said before).

Actually a terminal emulator which could easily be expanded to cover a
number of protocols would be nice, just as ghostscript can include
target formats. I think the obvious choices are Kermit, Xmodem (for
historical reasons), and zmodem.

The question is can someone come up with a better file transfer protocol
and include that, thus eventually driving out the lesser protocols
eventually? As I see it:
 1. fast, performance like zmodem.
 2. ability to continue if connections are lost (again like zmodem).
 3. bidirectional, to use links better.

Maybe we're reinventing IP? Anyway, I think the time has come, now that
the distribution of Kermit has been officially limited.
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Davidsen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
Date: 3 Oct 1994 12:36:03 -0400
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In article <36h490$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
:In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]

:As somebody pointed out yesterday, something *is* wrong with this picture
:if this debate must be carried out over and over again.  Maybe what is
:wrong is that we -- silly us -- are still basically trying to provide a
:public service: FREE SOFTWARE, of high quality, with solid technical support
:behind it, all free.  All we ask in return is that at enough of you purchase
:the accompanying manuals to keep us afloat, and that you stop haranging us
:for our commercial-redistribution policies and let us get on with our work
:on your behalf.  Maybe it will turn out that we really do have to change
:the way we get income; I hope not.

I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
people have the software completely eludes me.

My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep
you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit
motive.
--
Speaking *from* but never *for* Prodigy
    "Pain builds moral fiber"  -my dad
    "Pain hurts"  -me

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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
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Subject: GNU implementation of kermit :-)
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Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc.
Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-)
Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol.

-- budi
--
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-)
Date: 3 Oct 1994 18:16:11 GMT
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In article <36ou5m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi
Rahardjo) writes:
> Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc.
> Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-)
> Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol.
>
I don't get it.  Why create a parallel universe?  What would GNU
Kermit get *you* that you don't already get from Columbia?  Public
domain software than anybody could sell?  No...  Software that costs *you*
less than Columbia Kermit (i.e. nothing)?  No...  Then what?

To recreate the Kermit universe will take years of work by lots of people,
and some of them will have to be full-time, or it won't succeed.  In other
words, you'll end up just like us, and for that matter the FSF -- needing
operating funds.  Unless you are independently wealthy, and willing to
bankroll the operation out of your pocket.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Rothstein)
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In article <36hsus$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 (Frank da Cruz) writes:
(snip, snip)
}I really wish I did not have to keep repeating myself -- it is really
}boring.  There is a paradox here: the more our software is spread to the
}general public on CDROM, and the more popular it becomes, the more work
}we have (tech support), the less time we have to devote to development,
}and the less money we have to pay for tech support AND development.
}
}Thus, the policy you are advocating is a very short-sighted one, the result
}of which would be that everybody would get Kermit software for "a fraction
}of a penny", and the Kermit effort would get nothing: our marketplace would
}disappear -- because nobody in their right mind would pay $35 for the same
}thing (more or less -- there is also the manual to consider) they can get
}for a third of a penny.  Meanwhile, since they do not have the manual, they
}pester us to death with questions that are already answered there.  Work
}grows to infinity, income shrinks to zero, and poof, you've killed it.
}Well, hooray, hooray, now we all have just what we wanted and it was free,
}so we won!  Yay!  But then technology changes, operating systems change,
}communication and networking methods change, and you are now left to the
}tender mercies of all those commercial and shareware software producers who
}care so much about quality and support.
}
}I'm sorry, it's a whole package -- if you don't like it, don't use it, and
}let us get on with devloping and supporting it for those who do,
}
}- Frank

Here is a different idea: make Kermit available the way it was before, but
**only** answer tech questions on a 900 line; this would enable you to
get the funds you need for tech support, and you could always slip in
a plug for the documentation instead of the hold muzak.
You might argue that overseas people don't have access to the 900 line,
which is true, but I think overseas people have to think twice before
calling in for support except for emergencies: calls from overseas are
***real***expensive***.

--
Michael Rothstein (Kent State U)| Any similarity between Kent State's opinions
([e-mail])        | and my opinions is strictly coincidential.
The only way to tell you're sane is with a certificate from the insane asylum.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <36pbtj$[e-mail]>,
Bill Davidsen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <36h490$[e-mail]>,
>Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>:In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>
>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
>people have the software completely eludes me.
>
There is a huge difference.  The shareware premise starts out by saying that
everybody that uses the software must pay money.  Some do and most don't
but you don't chase people because it doesn't pay too.

Kermit says, the software is free provided you receive it from some
electronic means: ftp, gopher, www, bbs, ...

Kermit may not be distributed by anyone that charges money for physical
media or that includes kermit as part of a larger package WITHOUT PERMISSION.
In other words, shareware libraries via mail; operating systems; Internet
access packages; third party terminal emulators or BBS programs.

Kermit is like your local museum or zoo which asks for a donation but will
let you in if you choose not to pay one (except for those special exhibits).

Shareware MUST be paid for, otherwise, you are breaking the law.  How many
people in this group are using Unregistered versions of DSZ, or ZOC, or
Telix, or ...?  If you continue, using them without registering you break
the law.  Will you be caught, not likely.  But you are still guilty.

Kermit is FREE.  If you use it without ordering a manual, no big deal.
Its FREE.  If you need technical support, you will get it FREE.  However,
we would like you to order the manual.  It reduces the need for technical
support and makes it easier to provide it when you do need it.  But
do you have to pay something, yes for the manual, no for anything else.

Can we get onto something else?

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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[e-mail] (Bill Davidsen) writes:
>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
>people have the software completely eludes me.

In my opinion Kermit became CRIPPLEWARE several years ago when Columbia
University stopped providing the full documentation as a file which could
be downloaded.  This forces users to purchase the book if they wish to
take full advantage of the software.

Keith
--
Keith Petersen
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From: [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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Bill Davidsen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
: shareware works.

Simple:  Kermit is free; shareware is not.

I am free to scatter Kermit all over my department, making it the
standard terminal emulation package for faculty, students, custodians,
etc., without paying a penny.

I wouldn't do this with shareware.  Unless I pay, it is against the law.
Shareware is not free.

Besides, the distribution decision is the developers' call to make.
Every possible argument for a change of policy has already been
presented.  Anything more is just hassle.  Please, thank them or
leave them alone.

--
Rick Matthews                     [e-mail]            Ham radio:
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Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507      910-759-6142   (FAX)


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From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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>With all due respect, Kermit is not the work of one individual.  A
>number of people have invested time and energy and resources into
>making Kermit what it is today.

I've stayed out of this (publicly) as long as I can.  I'm sorry to be
fueling a discussion that I wish would simply die out...

Kermit is primarily the work of a *very* small number of people, helped
along to a *very* small amount of work contributed by a large number of
people.  Besides the group at Columbia, I would guess that there are
perhaps 10 people in the world who have contributed a quantity of work
that should be considered "substantial" in comparison with what has
been done at Columbia.  I'm not trying to denigrate anyone here, and
I am speaking from experience.  I have been contributing to the C-Kermit
effort for several years now.  On a few occasions, when my schedule and
interest permitted, I have contributed a considerable amount of work.
But I have no delusions as the the magnitude of my contribution compared
to the overall kermit effort - or even the overall C-Kermit effort.  I
certainly don't presume to attempt to tell Frank how kermit can or can
not be distributed because of my contribution.

>This isn't just about Simtel and
>Garbo, but about anyone who cuts a CD for an OS -- note that some
>vendors no longer ship kermit with their OS, like DEC OSF/1 and BSDI.

Well, is this supposed to be a negative point?  My experience has been
that virtually all of these are distributing versions of kermit that
are so old they are very limited in usefulness, and are virtually
certain to generate loads of requests to Columbia for help - exactly
what Frank has been saying they want to stop.

>And let's not forget those benevolent FTP archives who (ahem) do
>dervie some amount of money from grants or corporate funding by
>maintaining an FTP archive, like wuarchive and sunsite (just to name
>two biggies) and may have a moneyary incentive (however slight) to
>keep Kermit online, thus supposedly putting themselves at odds with
>the Columbia people.

There are real issues here, and Frank has already discussed them.

>Already, it appears that Kermit is suffering
>something of a decline as overall line quality improves, and the
>omnipotent GUI has emerged.  So tell me, honestly, do YOU think that
>documentation sales are going to keep Kermit alive, or is it going
>to just die and spell the end of an era.

This is pure opinion.  I don't agree.

>No one wants to denigrate the Kermit developers' efforts toward making
>a quality software product.

So don't do it.

>But it seems like they need some help here,
>and the way they want us to help them doesn't seem to help anyone.
>There appear to be people out there with better funding models, and
>every time someone suggests that a different funding model might better
>serve the interests of everyone involved, we get a lot of voodoo and
>simplistic arguments.

Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here.

>Why isn't this work just funded by Columbia?
>It certainly seems worthwhile enough just in advertising alone.

Have you ever worked in a University environment?  I have, and I can tell
you that just because something "seems worthwhile" doesn't mean it will
be funded by the University.  Please, give Frank credit for a little bit
of intelligence in this area.  I'm quite sure that he has explored the
possibility of getting other kinds of funding.  I suspect that he still
does this on a regular basis.  Just because he doesn't post the details
for public discussion doesn't mean he isn't doing it.

jw

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>:As somebody pointed out yesterday, something *is* wrong with this picture
>:if this debate must be carried out over and over again.  Maybe what is
>:wrong is that we -- silly us -- are still basically trying to provide a
>:public service: FREE SOFTWARE, of high quality, with solid technical support
>:behind it, all free.  All we ask in return is that at enough of you purchase
>:the accompanying manuals to keep us afloat, and that you stop haranging us
>:for our commercial-redistribution policies and let us get on with our work
>:on your behalf.  Maybe it will turn out that we really do have to change
>:the way we get income; I hope not.
>
>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
>people have the software completely eludes me.

It's a different way of acheiving the same goals.  Except that Frank (and
the Kermit team)'s motives aren't profit oriented - simply enough to
support the project and keep it going.

warning: I am going to use gross generalizations.

Frank 'n co. have a limited staff.  By keeping the distribution to folks
with ftp access and BBS people free, they are distributing it to people
who, generally, have a greater understanding of how the computer works
and how to set things up.

When people buy it with the manual, they have all of the answers that
they need.

HOWEVER - when it is distributed on CD-ROMS - a *lot* of people will get
it.  People who often have had their computers set up, who have a less
extensive knowledge of computers.  I know this is true at least *some* of
the time, because of the kinds of questions I've had to answer about my
Deskmate .snd conversion program from people who found it on CD-ROM's,
versus those who found it on BBS's, versus those who found it on the
Internet.

The CD_ROM people's questions were questions about the simple stuff
(relatively speaking)

The BBS people's questions were about more complex things.

And the Internet people seemed to be asking questions that were beyond my
knowledge.  I could answer most, but some I had to refer to other people,
newsgroups, etc.

I don't mind answering questions at all about it, but with a more general
purpose program like Kermit (more general than my sound converter), there
will be thousands more questions.  What is wrong with Frank and co. saying:

"Look... copy it to whom you wish.  Spread it around.  But a CD-ROM will
simply be a case where its spread around too much.  We just don't have
the support staff."

If they had the money, they could support the extra work.  But they
don't.  People who search for Kermit, know what they want it for, will
find it, and eventually (like myself, shortly) buy the manual.  But
people who see it as one program of thousands aren't as likely to, as it
won't be given the same weight in their minds.

Keep up the good work, Frank.

Remember - this too, shall pass (the dilemna on this newsgroup)

Ken
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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[e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
>Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here.

Ok, here it is.  I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it.

Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, with voluntary payment for
individuals and required payment for commercial and school use (i.e.,
a site license).  If Columbia charged $300 for a site license, even if
there were only 1,000 customers, the income produced would be $300,000
per year.

That's just a starting point.  I'm sure Columbia would have more than
1,000 paying customers for such a well-supported product as Kermit -
if it was continually updated and improved.  I see no reason why this
funding model should not have the potential to bring in over $500,000
per year.  I feel confident that Columbia would have no trouble getting
releases from the authors of the various flavors of Kermit if they
stressed that this money will be used for product support and improving
the product through future development.

With that kind of income Columbia could hire programmers to write new
flavors of Kermit and to improve the already exiting flavors.

Keith
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Internet: [e-mail]    or      [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
Date: 4 Oct 1994 00:56:33 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Keith Petersen) writes:
> [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
> >Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here.
> Ok, here it is.  I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it.
> Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, ...
>
It's true, Keith did suggest changing Kermit to shareware.  And various
other people suggested charging for support, setting up 900 numbers, and
so on.  Our many well-wishers do not understand the detailed organizational
and legal constraints under which we operate.  I will only say that I have
not seen a suggestion posted in this discussion, or mailed to me privately,
that I did not already think of myself years ago.  And I think this
discussion is scaring the (substitute appropriate garment) off lots of people
in universities and elsewhere -- needlessly.  Don't worry people, we Kermit
folks have been constant and faithful to you all these years, and the voices
in the newsgroups don't speak for us.  We have no intention of abandoning
our loyal "market niche" to chase after the fast buck, no matter how hard
some people -- and economic forces themselves -- push us to do it.  Your
support and words of encouragement are appreciated.

Thanks.

- Frank



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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
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In <36ps3p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Matthews) writes:

: Bill Davidsen ([e-mail]) wrote:
: : I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
: : shareware works.

: Simple:  Kermit is free; shareware is not.

: I am free to scatter Kermit all over my department, making it the
: standard terminal emulation package for faculty, students, custodians,
: etc., without paying a penny.

Do they buy the manual ? What's going to happen with they have problems
and call Coulmbia ? Either through CD-ROM or through you, these people
do not get the manuals and hence create more problems for the Kermit's
group when they call the Kermit's group.
This is one of the arguments used to limit the distribution, people
that don't have manuals call them. This I don't undertand, the difference
between CD-ROM distribution and people like you an me distributing
copies of kermit. (money aside,  CD-ROM vendors and myself have the
effects.)

One argument that I do understand, is that the Kermit's developer
doesnot like CD-ROM vendors putting a copy of kermit in their CDs,
without permission. I do understand their view.
IMHO, it's a valid reason.

You know, if the software and book are really good, people will buy
the book. Just like "perl + camel book", "Tk and Tcl + Oustherhout's book".
You don't have to beg people to buy it :-)

Good luck.
-- budi
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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
: > Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc.
: > Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-)
: > Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol.
: >
: I don't get it.  Why create a parallel universe?  What would GNU
: Kermit get *you* that you don't already get from Columbia?  Public
: domain software than anybody could sell?  No...  Software that costs *you*
: less than Columbia Kermit (i.e. nothing)?  No...  Then what?

Why are there a number of C compilers ? editors ? mail processors?
X windows ? etc.
There are a number of reasons; technical and non-technical.
What GNU Kermit (if such beast exists) get *me* that I don't already
get from Columbia ?
A complete snap-shot of archieve site *including* kermit in a CD.
To me as a user, it is a convenience. But I am just one measly user,
you can just ignore me.


: To recreate the Kermit universe will take years of work by lots of people,
: and some of them will have to be full-time, or it won't succeed.

Are you sure you need full-time people to make it success ?
How about Linux ? perl ? tcl ? ... and many others.

: In other
: words, you'll end up just like us, and for that matter the FSF -- needing
: operating funds.  Unless you are independently wealthy, and willing to
: bankroll the operation out of your pocket.

You are underestimating the power of collaboration of volunteers.

Good luck.
-- budi
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Budi Rahardjo <[e-mail]>
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From [e-mail] Sun Oct  4 04:41:13 1994
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>(Robert S. Dangel) writes:
>> Is there a windows version of PC Kermit? I have qmodem Pro and
>> the Kermit protocol doesn't work with the UNIX machines..
>>
>currently version 3.13.  It is a Windows-aware DOS application.  Until
>and unless we are able to create a native Windows version with anywhere

    I have one.

>near the same degree of functionality, we recommend and support MS-DOS
>Kermit for use with Windows.

    I don't know about that, but I have Windoze Kermit.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>In article <36ou5m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi
>Rahardjo) writes:
>> Re: the thread on compyrights/policies etc.
>> Maybe what we need is a GNU implementation of kermit :-)
>> Or if they cannot use kermit, then invent GNUprotocol.
>>
>I don't get it.  Why create a parallel universe?  What would GNU
>Kermit get *you* that you don't already get from Columbia?  Public
>domain software than anybody could sell?  No...  Software that costs *you*
>less than Columbia Kermit (i.e. nothing)?  No...  Then what?

More reasonable distribution.  NOT just Internet FTP.  The GNU project doesn't
CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely
(they don't seem to have any problems with CD-ROM's for instance), and source
is made freely (they also don't seem to have any problems with reasonable
handling and media charges) available.

>To recreate the Kermit universe will take years of work by lots of people,
>and some of them will have to be full-time, or it won't succeed.  In other
>words, you'll end up just like us, and for that matter the FSF -- needing
>operating funds.  Unless you are independently wealthy, and willing to
>bankroll the operation out of your pocket.

Hmmmm..  Now you DO have a point there...

Jeff Berntsen
[e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
 : The oddest part is that the program works fine, arrow keys in
 : application, etc - in calling into a VMS system. Is this some
 : sort of anti-unix plot <G>.

It might have something to do with MS-Kermit sending 8 bit control sequences
to your Unix editor.

If you want an editor that works with these control sequences, I suggest
that you try JED.  I created and tested JED using MS-Kermit.  It even
exploits MS-Kermit running on a color PC through color syntax highlighting,
etc....  See jed/doc/color.txt for using JED with MS-Kermit.


JED is available from amy.tch.harvard.edu.  The latest version is 0.97-5b.

List of some of JED's features:

    Runs under Unix, VMS, OS/2, and MSDOS (all versions)

           *  XWindows
       *  DJGPP compiled version for 386/486 PCs support up to
             256 Megs of Virtual Memory.  This also is able
                 to run in a Windows DOS Box.

    Emacs*, wordstar*, EDT* emulation
    C, fortran*, tex*, text editing modes

           * Color Syntax Highlighting on
           ALL systems including dialup --- not just XWindows

    C-like extension language called S-Lang.
    User configurable (bind keys, write functions, etc....)
    Region highlighting (even on character based terminals*)
    8 bit clean, edit binary files too.
    Rectangular (box) cut/paste
    Backup and autosave files
    Full multilevel undo
    Regular expressions
    Gnu Emacs compatable info reader*
    Dynamic Abbreviation Expansion* (ESC /)
    Calendar*
    Mail* and elm like rmail*
    Dired directory editor*
    Automatic horizontal pan/scroll  (configurable)
    Parenthesis matching/blinking
    Filename, buffername, function name completion
    Menu driven for novice users*
    Incremental search/replace*
    Sorting
    No hardcoded buffer/line limits
    Multiple windows and buffers
    Keyboard macros with macro query feature.
    Buffer mode lines are configurable, e.g., display time, line number, etc...
    Ispell*
    Shell commands and ``interactive'' shell*

     * Note:  these functions are written in the extension language.
--
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From: [e-mail] (Richard L. Hamilton)
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Can anyone suggest "ideal" parameters for use at 9600 to 14400
(V.32 or V.32bis) with compression and error checking?

Right now, my .mykermrc file looks something like:
   set block-check 3
   set buffers 131072 131072
   set file name literal
   set file type binary
   set receive packet-length 4096
   set window-size 31
   ...

That's between a fast Un*x system and my relatively wimpy 3b1,
serial port on the 3b1 set at 19200 (fastest it goes), and
the modem actually maxing out at 1st V.32bis fallback speed of
12000 baud.

--
                      I compute, therefore I am.
My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent
anyone else.

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From: [e-mail] (tom mayo)
Subject: Kermit on CD RAM
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If you are feeling really grouchy and uptight about the ongoing
Kermit / CD ROM discussions, you may not want to read this.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Oh, wow.  This new Cheesebox 5000 computer is really snazzy.  It's just
like a TV---but with a typewriter too!

Well, I just got this thing, and wouldn't you know, it's got one of
those CD RAM drives.  Amazing!

Anyway, I think this CD Rome thing is really great, and I want to get
Kermit because I always loved the Muppets---especially the frog!

Do they sell Kermit for my CD RAM?  I can't wait to find out because
the computer also came with a ZModem too.  Maybe I could get Kermit
to sing "It ain't easy being green" over the Zmodem to my sister in
Topeka.

-George Creamcheese

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This is my personal creation to be used for entertainment purposes
only.  Please forward all flames to /dev/null.

-Tom Mayo  N1RMU  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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I am writing this time as a management scientist and consultant, not
as Garbo's moderator.

In article <36pipa$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

:Kermit is FREE.  If you use it without ordering a manual, no big deal.
:Its FREE.  If you need technical support, you will get it FREE.  However,

Here is the core of your the problem provided that you are looking
for a good solution. You, that this the good Columbia people, may
have either of the two goals:

1) Finding a solution that enhances YOUR situation both timewise and
financially.

2) Using every possible argument to defend retaining exactly the
current practices whether they are optimal for you or not.

Please do not be offended, since I am trying to analyze this as
dispassionately as I can as a management scientist now.  I am afraid
that your (Columbia's) goal is rather clearly the second one, that
is pushing the problem under the carpet.  You wish the problem to go
away by itself, or deny that you have a problem by rationalizing
keeping exactly your current practices.  (That's why Frank has even
himself said he keeps repeating himself).  You have every right to
have this goal, but I can assure you that it is bad management.  I
wish you to be aware what your implicit assumptions in this are.
Please do not deceive yourselves.

Assume, however, your goal were the first, or that you can bring
yourself to redefine your true goal to be the first.  In this case
your problem is not generating enough funds.  One of the main
culprits for that is the FREE support you give.  That, not the
CDROMs.  Whatever you decide or have decided with respect to CDROMs
will not solve your problem.  Before one can begin to solve a
management problem one must realize amd definbe what the true
problem is, and here it is not overly difficult to pinpoint.  Onece
you have the problem pinpointed, then, if you truly want to solve
it, you can start looking how well the alternative strategies work
for your goal.

:we would like you to order the manual.  It reduces the need for technical
:support and makes it easier to provide it when you do need it.  But
:do you have to pay something, yes for the manual, no for anything else.

:Can we get onto something else?

Why!?  Is ending the discussion really the topmost priority.  Well,
if you wish to, but problems are not solved by ignoring them.  If
one has a dilemma, and truly wants to solve it, on does not keep
repeating that the discussion should cease.  Decide.  Is your goal
making this discussion to go away, or having a better solution than
what you no have.  Of course I have a vexed interest, but even so,
you are not making the best of this from your OWN point of view
either.

Summary: Decide whether defending you position or solving your
management problem is your underlying goal.  If the latter, identify
your problems, and assess the conquences of the different
alternatives on your goals.  Do it dispassionately and
systematically.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
:Remember - this too, shall pass (the dilemna on this newsgroup)

Sigh!  Which do the gentle reades consider the bigger problem in
here? The existince of this discussion or Columbia's funding and
time allocation dilemma?

   All the best, Timo

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Hello Kermit users,

I have a problem. Our kermit version is MS-Kermit 3.13 with a patch file with
21 patches in it.

We have to build an application that has to responds to the key combination
SHIFT-ESC. In the key-table you can catch many key combinations but I am
unable to map SHIFT-ESC to something different than ESC alone so I can't
make a distinction between ESC with or without SHIFT.

Is there a way to make it work? It is no problem to do this with other
keys (like function keys), only ESC seems to behave differently. I can
calculate what keycode SHIFT-ESC should have (scancode 1 + 256 + 512 = 769)
but

    set key \852 hello

works for SHIFT+F1 (outputs hello) but

    set key \769 hello

doesn't work for SHIFT+ESC!

When redefining the ESC key itself by

    set key \27 hello

also SHIFT+ESC outputs hello! (B.T.W. "set key \257 hello" doesn't work
either, so we can not make a distinction between ESC and Ctrl-[ too, but
that's not a problem for us at this moment).

Any suggestions to solve this problem are welcome (We also tried the product
KEATerm under Windows and that one will do it correctly; we need something
running under DOS however!)

Kind Regards,


Henk.

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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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Bill Davidson ([e-mail]) writes:
>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
>people have the software completely eludes me.
>
>My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep
>you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit
>motive.

As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to
throw caution to the winds and add my comments.

I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that
Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware
authors don't.

People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide
technical support for free.  I know that I have asked for support from
both fdc and jrd, and never been denied.  Because they have a reputation
and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to
continue for everyone.

On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not
expect such free support from a shareware author.  (Though most comm
programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me
use Telix as an example.  If I knew the net address of the telix author, I
would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the
shareware registration.

Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the
expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-)  Most
software vendors are struggling with the problem of support.  Many
commercial ventures have moved away from free support.

I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
likely to kill the Kermit effort.  All resources would have to go to
support and no further development.  I'm sure that the Kermit group would
like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a
university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives.  I don't believe that
they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions
made on this list.

Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and
MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT.  Both sides of this discussion have their
positions, and I can see them both and respect them both.  I'm not trying
to cast dispersions on anyone.  I don't intend to criticize anyone.  If
I've offended, I hereby apologise.

Now, I'd like to see this discussion end.  If you have suggestions as to
how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to
review them in a private communcation.  If you have a suggestion to Timo
and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on
their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even
entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION.  We've heard both
sides of the story.  Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop
it.

Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions,
send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list.

Regards,

Steve Layten
--
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Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210    [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: looking for suggested parameters
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In article <36qi9e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Richard L.
Hamilton) writes:
> Can anyone suggest "ideal" parameters for use at 9600 to 14400
> (V.32 or V.32bis) with compression and error checking?
> Right now, my .mykermrc file looks something like:
>    set block-check 3
>    set buffers 131072 131072
>    set receive packet-length 4096
>    set window-size 31 ...
> That's between a fast Un*x system and my relatively wimpy 3b1,
> serial port on the 3b1 set at 19200 (fastest it goes), and
> the modem actually maxing out at 1st V.32bis fallback speed of
> 12000 baud.
>
You might be able to use control-character unprefixing to squeeze out
a little additional speed, but the 3B1 itself is going to be the limiting
factor.  In fact, here is a case where huge buffers might actually slow
you down.  I have had reports that there is a certain size (of Kermit's
"core image") beyond which the 3b1 will swap itself into oblivion.  So
you might actually want to try less window slots, shorter packets.

Also, as an antiquated system running an old version of System V, hardware
flow control is not available, so buffer overruns are likely.  If your
modem allows it, you might want to set up Xon/Xoff flow control between
Kermit and your modem.

- Frank
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Budi Rahardjo ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In <36ps3p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Matthews) writes:

: : Simple:  Kermit is free; shareware is not.

: : I am free to scatter Kermit all over my department, making it the
: : standard terminal emulation package for faculty, students, custodians,
: : etc., without paying a penny.

: Do they buy the manual ? What's going to happen with they have problems
: and call Coulmbia ? Either through CD-ROM or through you, these people
: do not get the manuals and hence create more problems for the Kermit's
: group when they call the Kermit's group.

We have four copies of the manual.  I keep one at home, one in my
office, and two in our department computer lab, available to everyone
to whom I distribute Kermit.

Since I have appended a custom startup file appropriate for our
facilty, and I supply a two-page description of how to get started,
there are very few problems or questions.  Another nice touch is that
I have reconfigured the keymap so that PageUp, PageDown, Insert,
Delete, and the function keys all behave more or less the same way in
emacs as they do in WordPerfect for DOS.  That gives us a near-zero
learning curve for editing.

When people do have problems, they

1.   RTFM.
2.   Ask me.  If I don't know the answer, I
    a.  RTFM.
    b.  E-mail Columbia.

Less than one problem per two years in our department makes it to
2(b).  That's less than 0.125 support requests per manual per year.
What do you think the ratio of support requests to manuals purchased
is for people who get Kermit off a CD-ROM?

--
Rick Matthews                     [e-mail]            Ham radio:
Wake Forest University            910-759-5340   (Voice)      WA4GSP
Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507      910-759-6142   (FAX)


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Bill Davidson ([e-mail]) writes:
>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
>people have the software completely eludes me.
>
>My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep
>you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit
>motive.

As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to
throw caution to the winds and add my comments.

I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that
Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware
authors don't.

People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide
technical support for free.  I know that I have asked for support from
both fdc and jrd, and never been denied.  Because they have a reputation
and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to
continue for everyone.

On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not
expect such free support from a shareware author.  (Though most comm
programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me
use Telix as an example.  If I knew the net address of the telix author, I
would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the
shareware registration.

Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the
expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-)  Most
software vendors are struggling with the problem of support.  Many
commercial ventures have moved away from free support.

I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
likely to kill the Kermit effort.  All resources would have to go to
support and no further development.  I'm sure that the Kermit group would
like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a
university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives.  I don't believe that
they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions
made on this list.

Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and
MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT.  Both sides of this discussion have their
positions, and I can see them both and respect them both.  I'm not trying
to cast dispersions on anyone.  I don't intend to criticize anyone.  If
I've offended, I hereby apologise.

Now, I'd like to see this discussion end.  If you have suggestions as to
how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to
review them in a private communcation.  If you have a suggestion to Timo
and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on
their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even
entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION.  We've heard both
sides of the story.  Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop
it.

Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions,
send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list.

Regards,

Steve Layten
--
Steven W. Layten, Senior Engineer
Chemical Abstracts Service, PO Box 3012, Columbus, OH 43210    [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (Adrian Godwin)
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Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es?
Date: 4 Oct 1994 13:45:27 +0100
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:

>  What you can do is to notify BBS operators of this Kermit-Lite edition,
>once it has been released, and urge them to upgrade. We do recommend reading
>the fine manual so that their systems can exploit the heck out of scripts
>and set long packets and sliding windows etc.

Excellent, but I'm afraid that you're going to have to help them get the
settings correct by including defaults (or a default .ini file) that
optimises transfers for typical PC-BBS systems. If you hope that they'll
buy the manual (or even read the instructions in detail) I'm afraid
that you're likely to be disappointed in many cases.

-adrian




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[e-mail] (Steven W. Layten) writes:
>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
>likely to kill the Kermit effort.

It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM.  If
it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes.  The
proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation.  They sell
9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs?

Keith
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Keith Petersen
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Bill Davidson ([e-mail]) writes:
>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
>people have the software completely eludes me.
>
>My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep
>you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit
>motive.

As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to
throw caution to the winds and add my comments.

I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that
Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware
authors don't.

People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide
technical support for free.  I know that I have asked for support from
both fdc and jrd, and never been denied.  Because they have a reputation
and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to
continue for everyone.

On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not
expect such free support from a shareware author.  (Though most comm
programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me
use Telix as an example.  If I knew the net address of the telix author, I
would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the
shareware registration.

Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the
expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-)  Most
software vendors are struggling with the problem of support.  Many
commercial ventures have moved away from free support.

I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
likely to kill the Kermit effort.  All resources would have to go to
support and no further development.  I'm sure that the Kermit group would
like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a
university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives.  I don't believe that
they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions
made on this list.

Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and
MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT.  Both sides of this discussion have their
positions, and I can see them both and respect them both.  I'm not trying
to cast dispersions on anyone.  I don't intend to criticize anyone.  If
I've offended, I hereby apologise.

Now, I'd like to see this discussion end.  If you have suggestions as to
how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to
review them in a private communcation.  If you have a suggestion to Timo
and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on
their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even
entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION.  We've heard both
sides of the story.  Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop
it.

Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions,
send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list.

Regards,

Steve Layten

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Bill Davidson ([e-mail]) writes:
>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
>people have the software completely eludes me.
>
>My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep
>you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit
>motive.

As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to
throw caution to the winds and add my comments.

I believe that the funding of Kermit IS different from shareware in that
Columbia provides a great deal of support via the network that shareware
authors don't.

People seem to expect that the Kermit group can and will always provide
technical support for free.  I know that I have asked for support from
both fdc and jrd, and never been denied.  Because they have a reputation
and a history of providing such excellent support, it is expected to
continue for everyone.

On the other hand, I expect that most shareware software users would not
expect such free support from a shareware author.  (Though most comm
programs I'm aware of that were shareware have now gone commercial,) let me
use Telix as an example.  If I knew the net address of the telix author, I
would probably NOT send a request for support without first sending the
shareware registration.

Thus, I believe that shareware funding IS different from Kermit funding in the
expectations of the users. (at least of this individual user. :-)  Most
software vendors are struggling with the problem of support.  Many
commercial ventures have moved away from free support.

I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
likely to kill the Kermit effort.  All resources would have to go to
support and no further development.  I'm sure that the Kermit group would
like to come up with an alternative funding mechanism, but being a
university, etc. etc. limits their alternatives.  I don't believe that
they could go to "900-number" support, or some of the other suggestions
made on this list.

Having said that, let me point out that the above is ONLY MY OPINION, and
MY OPINION DOESN'T COUNT.  Both sides of this discussion have their
positions, and I can see them both and respect them both.  I'm not trying
to cast dispersions on anyone.  I don't intend to criticize anyone.  If
I've offended, I hereby apologise.

Now, I'd like to see this discussion end.  If you have suggestions as to
how Columbia can increase revenue, I'd guess that they'd be willing to
review them in a private communcation.  If you have a suggestion to Timo
and/or Keith about how they might be able to easily keep the software on
their ftp site, but not distribute it on their CD-ROM, they might even
entertain those suggestions IN A PRIVATE COMMUNICATION.  We've heard both
sides of the story.  Now, rather than slinging any more arrows, let's drop
it.

Donning my asbestos underwear, if you have comments about MY opinions,
send them to me in private, and lets stop cluttering this list.

Regards,

Steve Layten
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From: [e-mail] (Henk de Groot)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In <36ps3p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Matthews) writes:
>Simple:  Kermit is free; shareware is not.

Kermit is not free, if I use it in a customer project I have to negotiate
with Columbia, if I want to put it on CDROM, I have to negotiate with
Columbia e.t.c. Thus, as soon as I start using it as a part of a bundle of
software, (which I might sell for a profit athough I don't charge anything
for the kermit part in it but do charge for my own contribution to it), I
have to negotiate with Columbia. This is different from truely free
software which is not restricted by anything (only by copyright to ensure
that the software stays free).

It's not strange or anything that you to do this but IMHO you can not
maintain the claim that Kermit is free; Kermit is free for a limited
number of purposes and the limitation is described in kermits copyright
notice.

As far as I can see Kermit is Shareware. Compare it with F-Prot. F-Prot is
Shareware but free for private use. Kermit is free for distribution on
FTP-sites and free to use for yourself but not free for use in a project
for a customer or for putting it with other programs on CD-ROM.

So both share the same principal, it is shareware but free to use as long as
you don't cross a set border-line. For F-Prot this border-line is Non-private
use, for Kermit it is distribution on CD-ROM or use in a customer project.

What might be confusing is that Shareware not means that you have to pay
always but that you have to pay if you meet certain conditions. For
Shareware most of the time a condition is set that you have to pay after
using the product for xxxx days or so, but like F-Prot shows the condition
can also be if you fall into a certain category and that it is still free
if that doesn't apply.

Kermit is not freeware, it is shareware and it has always been shareware, if
you use it after meeting a preset condition you have to negotiate with
Columbia. The amount of money Columbia will charge you is unknown, you are
completly in the dark because there is not a single document supplied
with kermit that will say anything about what you can expect.

Ok, I'm not going to reply on this subject anymore since everything to be
said is covered by now. Even if everyboby will tell me Kermit is free
I still beleive it is shareware; it is a matter of definition of the word
'Shareware' to deterimine if it applies to Kermit. That I don't have to pay
is just a matter of not meeting the payment condition set for it.

Kind regards,


Henk.

P.S. There is a copy of Kermit in Prentice-Hall's distribution of MINIX (on
floppy) is that illegal too? I guess so...

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <36r5d2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
> :Kermit is FREE.  If you use it without ordering a manual, no big deal.
> :Its FREE.  If you need technical support, you will get it FREE.  However,
> Here is the core of your the problem provided that you are looking
> for a good solution. You, that this the good Columbia people, may
> have either of the two goals:
>
> 1) Finding a solution that enhances YOUR situation both timewise and
> financially.
>
> 2) Using every possible argument to defend retaining exactly the
> current practices whether they are optimal for you or not.
>
> Please do not be offended...
>
Don't worry, Timo, I'm not.

And I hope *you* won't be offended if I sidestep this issue for a while,
even though the points you raise are worth discussing.

You see, it is not up to you, Keith, or the several other participants in
this debate to dictate how Joe, I, and the other Kermit workers spend our
time.  We work extremely long hours trying to satisfy the sometimes
pressing needs of our constituency, and that work must take precedence just
now over the solution to this problem.  Watch the new companion newsgroup,
comp.protocols.kermit.ann for results.

I understand that some people don't like our policy with respect to
CDROMs, and I suppose we will have to find a creative way to deal with
this issue down the road.  But for now, we are not set up to cope with it,
for reasons outlined -- if not microscopically detailed -- in previous
discussions.  We are satisfying hundreds of thousands, probably millions
of users with just a small handful of people.  That's because our users
either (a) order from us by mail, in which case they get the documentation
they need and therefore do not bother us with tech support calls unless
they are cases not covered in the documentation (and we like such calls,
because they tell us how to improve our products), or (b) they are large
organizations that have their own internal support structures, and
therefore do not impinge greatly upon our time, and when they do, again,
it is because of important issues that we need to address in our products
themselves.  This system has worked extraordinarily well for more than
a decade.

CDROMs, however, go to the mass market.  Let's use an analogy to
illustrate what this means.  Ten years ago (or so), computers were big,
loud, heavy things in the machine rooms of universities, companies,
hospitals, and government agencies, with tentacles reaching out to
terminals in the needed locations.  This was the now-discredited
centralized model.  The central computer had a central support
organization which trained its users, installed and maintained software,
and handled problems, and every user saw the same thing, experienced the
same behavior.  When there was a problem, it was fixed in one place.
Although the central computer was quite expensive, the support and
training issues were handled very efficiently.

The computer and software industries realized that there was only so much
money to be made this way, and therefore shifted their focus to the mass
market -- a computer in every home, store, office, etc.  Margins are
slimmer, prices are lower, power is higher, software is more "user
friendly", etc etc.  This same movement resulted in the abandonment of the
central computing model in organizations.  "Mainframes" were "dinosaurs"
that sucked up enormous amounts of capital and operating money; PCs were
cheap, throw-away commodoties that could go on every desk; each one,
according to popular wisdom, having the same power as the mainframe, and
much more user-friendly in the bargain.  Before we knew it, every
organization in the world was on a "downsizing" (hastily rechristened
"rightsizing") campaign.

This is all to the good.  Technology is the driving force of society, and
technlogy is always improving, and therefore society benefits more and
more with every innovation.  Costs go down, productivity goes up.

But something went wrong.  It didn't happen that way.  Costs went up,
productivity went down.  Why?  Because now we have literally millions of
computer-naive people needed massive amounts of help -- technical support;
training; one-on-one hand-holding.  An issue related not only to the
"naivete"
of the end users and the rapid pace of change in technology and software,
and the resulting unreliability compared to the tried-and-true mainframe
environment, where bugs had been worked out over the course of decades.

A recent study by the Gartner group (I don't have the reference handy, but
I read this in one of the prominent trade publications) found that,
contrary to expectations, the cost to a "rightsized" IS-intensive company
of maintaining its previous level of productivity was SIX TIMES what it
was in the centralized model.

I know from my own experience, quite apart from anything to do with
Kermit, in my own very large organization, that this figure is not far off
the mark.  These people, finding computers on their desks instead of 3270
terminals (or a typewriter), need massive amounts of help, even with today's
prepackaged, slick, graphical client/server object-oriented technologies.
There is no "magic pill" for these people -- every problem is hideously
complex, and every solution is unique.  "I can't print my file!"  Not only
could there be 500 reasons for this, you can't even hope to talk the user
through exploring any of them because they don't even know what the words
mean.  They clicked on a printer icon and nothing came out.  You have to
over in person, read their AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS, remove TSRs (that
some other helpful person installed for them), check for interrupt
conflicts and noisy buses, remove boards, fool with jumpers, figure out
their memory management configuration and address conflicts -- no two PCs
are configured the same way, and if the PC is on a LAN, then you have
networking issues at every level to worry about.  I could go on.  Most of
you have been there.

In this example, I have been talking about simple, supposedly
self-contained "office automation" or "personal productivity"
applications.  Now what happens when we are speaking of an application
that connects two computers via modems?  I am sure that all readers of
this newsgroup know that there is no "plug and play" solution to this
problem.  Today's modems are very complex instruments, with manuals nearly
an inch thick.  And every make and model is different.  The PC hardware is
different too and, I must say, increasingly difficult to deal with.  For
example: as CPU power and speed increase, serial port quality has not kept
pace, and in many cases has detiorated.  Our mass market consumer who buys
a 66 MHz Multimedia Turbo Screamer with at Sears or Computerland will have
a difficult time understanding why its much-vaunted communications
capabilities don't measure up to expectations, and soon enters the jungle
of non-buffered and/or defective UARTs, interrupt conflicts, and all the
rest.  Each of these cases takes considerable time and effort to resolve.
Again, there is no magic pill -- every case is different.

Within organizations, however, the pendulum is beginning to swing back in
the old, discredited direction.  Standardization, central support,
centralized resources such as modem pools, become key to saving costs and
boosting productivity.

Organizations: corporations, universities, hospitals, government agencies,
and so on -- this is where Kermit software can be used most effectively at
the present time, because of their centralized support of key resources
and their internal support structures.  They relieve us of the burden of
technical support.  Although most of them contribute little or nothing to
our financial health, most of them also do not impact adversely upon it.

In the mass market, very few people are going to be able to cope with
problems without some help.  Help comes in the form of what I consider to
be some excellent, thorough, "user-friendly" books, which take them
step-by-step through every phase of the communication process -- pictures,
examples, and all, and even go to some lengths to explain to them what is
really going on behind the scenes -- not just "press the F7 key".

Or else help must come in the form of individualized hand-holding -- in
the mass market there are no organizational hands-on training facilities
where we can achieve economies of scale.

Communications software is far more complex and difficult to support than
self-contained applications such as word processors, spreadsheets, etc,
because the number of combinations of variables is literally INFINITE.

Now, you might ask, isn't the same true for, say, Telix?  I don't know if
Telix is distributed on CDROM, but let's suppose it is.  The answer is:
not quite.  Telix and most other shareware PC communication software is
designed to communicate in a very special restricted environment: PC to
BBS.  Here the problem set is reduced to a manageable level: it only runs
on PCs, it only talks to other PCs on only one kind of communications
channel -- serial, full duplex, 8-bit clean, totally transparent to all
bit patterns, etc.  Directory structure and file names are the same, file
formats are the same, character sets are the same.  Our support people
have to cover territory that is INFINITELY wider than that.

Now, here is the final nail in the coffin.  In response to those who say:
"you're shooting yourself in the foot...  you want to keep Kermit all to
yourself...  you don't want it to be popular... putting it on CDROM would
increase its popularity and therefore be good for you...": I would agree
if I thought that CDROM buyers would purchase the documentation.  But they
won't.  If they happen to stumble across, say, MS-DOS Kermit among the
11,000 other software programs that lay before them, they will either
dismiss it immediately because it does not have a GUI, or they will try it
and give up immediately, in disgust, because they can't figure out how to
use it.

Lest this sound as if I am denigrating MS-DOS Kermit, I most emphatically
am not.  Lone individual mass-market consumers are not backed up by an
organization that includes computer professionals capable of recognizing
the technical merits and tradeoffs in choosing one package over another.
Mass market consumers generally follow the trade press, which I'm sure you
will all agree, focuses only on the most superficial aspects of any issue.

I am quite willing to concede that as matters stand, Kermit software is
simply not suited for the mass market.  It is better suited for the
organizational world where it can be set up, customized, and supported
on a centralized basis.

I hope that we will be able to change this situation in the future.  It is
a matter of accumulating sufficient funds so we can invest in additional
development power.  And that is what we are trying to do.

I thank everyone for their support and encouragement.

- Frank

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Timo,

    Why must Frank be coerced into changing the practices of Kermit
distribution?  Frank is repeating the same position simply because that
*is* his position.  He is unnecessarily under fire.

    He seems to be starting to see things going in a downward spiral
because he is being pressured into changing his policies.  Please stop
pressuring him, especially in public.  It is a private matter between you
and Frank.  If you can't come to agreement, then let it go, Timo.  Frank
has good reason for not wanting people to sell Kermit, and he should be
allowed that.

Ken
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In article <36r5rk$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
>:Remember - this too, shall pass (the dilemna on this newsgroup)
>
>Sigh!  Which do the gentle reades consider the bigger problem in
>here? The existince of this discussion or Columbia's funding and
>time allocation dilemma?

The bigger problem is that it's Columbia's business to concern themselves
with it and Frank's business to concern himself with it.  It's *not* our
concern.

The existance of the discussion is painful to Frank as he is getting
blasted left and right for sticking to what he feels is best.  He DOESN'T
want to turn Kermit into a commercial venture.

Ken
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Keith Petersen) writes:
> [e-mail] (Steven W. Layten) writes:
> >I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
> >and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
> >likely to kill the Kermit effort.
>
> It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM.  If
> it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes.  The
> proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation.  They sell
> 9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs?
>
That's a very good suggestion, Keith.  We are, in fact, exploring this
option.  It is one of many options for us to explore.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es?
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In article <36rip8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Adrian Godwin)
writes:
> Excellent, but I'm afraid that you're going to have to help them get the
> settings correct by including defaults (or a default .ini file) that
> optimises transfers for typical PC-BBS systems.
>
Let's postpone the discussion of Kermit on BBSs until after version 3.14
is announced.  Then we'll have something new to talk about.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Stone)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:
> [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
>>Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here.
>
> Ok, here it is.  I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it.
>
> Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, with voluntary payment for
> individuals and required payment for commercial and school use (i.e.,
> a site license).  If Columbia charged $300 for a site license, even if
> there were only 1,000 customers, the income produced would be $300,000
> per year.

Well that may be a good funding model but as a paying model for many companies,
it won't work. Getting my company to buy a manual is simple. Paying for
software, whether it's "traditional" or shareware, is very difficult. Let's put
it this way - I'll be retired (and that's in 25 years) before I could get $300
for shareware. My company (and also a previous employer) don't like to blindly
sign software license agreements because it places obligations on the company.
OTOH, buying a book entails no obligations (other than to pay) so it's no
problem.

> Keith Petersen
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Normally I am fairly mild mannered, and slow to anger but this really
got to me....

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Sergio
Fanchiotti) writes:

>[e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:

>>It appears to me that you have single-handedly killed the entire free
>>distribution system for Kermit, except for Internet anonymous FTP.  That
>>will probably result in the death of the Kermit protocol on systems
>>which do not have access to the Internet.
What planet you been living on Keith? Do Sinclairs have Internet access? Do
Apple II machines have Internet access? Over half the machines supported by
Kermit do not normally attach to networks. Kermit is popular because it is
a darn good product, not because SimTel or anyone else distributes it.
People do not use software because it is easy to get, they use it because it
preforms a task they need done, and it does that task well. Kermit and it's
distribution predates most of what is now known as internet. For many years
Kermit was the software that allowed all those poor non-Internet folks to
communicate between systems. On dos platforms, I find Kermit to be the most
robust package of it's type. There is no commercial package which works as
well, and certainly no commercial package which is supported as well. I
support Frank and Columbia for allowing us to use Kermit for all these years
FREE of charge. I also have found that only Columbia had the latest versions
of Kermit on-line and available, most other sites are a month or more behind.
Same for most CD-ROM distributions. The program I am interested in is usually
always out of date. If I am not mistaken you used to use Kermit to download
from the old Simtel machine...

>        Well, as someone looking at this silly discussion for some time
>        it seems that the time has come to get to work on a GPL'd version
>        of a portable data transfer program like Kermit (As Les said before).
>        Kermit is decent software and ubquitous but not the last word in this
>        area. And if something of the complexity of gcc is still beeing

Without a core group of people, which Mr. Stallman has been keeping together,
there would be no gcc. Try it for yourself, it is much harder than it looks.

>        supported... why not something like a kermit protocol clone? Here
>        the wheel has to be re-done, hard work it is, but it may have some
>        improvements, just look at the way Linux is developed!

If Linux is still here in 2004, you may have a point.

>        and their choice.   (Apparently if doesn't matter that 90% of the
>        people don't have FTP access...)

See above. Kermit predates almost all of the archive sites, and has been doing
just fine without the CD-ROM distribution.

>    In this respect we should thank the attitude of the Kermit team. In the
>     long run something else will appear to fill this gap, hopefully better
>        and easier to distribute.  Guess here is something else for RMS, once
>        the TCL flame war is over... Maybe in a feww days we'll see

As to this comment...Fine, go ahead and prove you can replace the quality and
support for a Kermit replacement and keep it running for a decade or two...it
ain't as easy as many of you think. Kermit predates the IBM PC for cryin out
loud...this is a tremendous accomplishment. To support a FREE product in the
public domain for over a decade and keep it up to date with changing
technology, port it to almost every platform known to man, even Sinclairs and
the BBC machines, and find itself still setting the standard others shoot for
as to quality and support is a ..... words fail....

If i have mortally offended anyone, please feel free to flame me via e-mail
and let the people who have legitimate problems get some time in here.


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es?
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In article <36rip8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Adrian Godwin) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>  What you can do is to notify BBS operators of this Kermit-Lite edition,
>>once it has been released, and urge them to upgrade. We do recommend reading
>>the fine manual so that their systems can exploit the heck out of scripts
>>and set long packets and sliding windows etc.
>
>Excellent, but I'm afraid that you're going to have to help them get the
>settings correct by including defaults (or a default .ini file) that
>optimises transfers for typical PC-BBS systems. If you hope that they'll
>buy the manual (or even read the instructions in detail) I'm afraid
>that you're likely to be disappointed in many cases.
>
>-adrian

Well, for sysops like PCBoard and TBBS sysops... they'll probably buy the
manuals, as they don't fear spending money to do things "right".  This at
least seems to hold true to the local BBS fare in my part of New Jersey.

Ken



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[e-mail] (Bill Milam) writes:
>On dos platforms, I find Kermit to be the most
>robust package of it's type. There is no commercial package which works as
>well, and certainly no commercial package which is supported as well. I
>support Frank and Columbia for allowing us to use Kermit for all these years
>FREE of charge.

Look again.  MS-Kermit is written and maintained by Joe Doupnik, not Frank.

>I also have found that only Columbia had the latest versions
>of Kermit on-line and available, most other sites are a month or more behind.

That's because Joe Doupnik was too busy to upload MS-Kermit to SimTel.
I had to wait for its announcement in the Info-Kermit Digest and then do
the ftp transfer myself.  In the early days that wasn't easy because the
MS-Kermit package was not distributed as an ARC or ZIP file.  Instead it
was a dozen or more individual files that the user had to download, hoping
not to miss any.

>If I am not mistaken you used to use Kermit to download
>from the old Simtel machine...

In the early days of SIMTEL20 I used Xmodem.  Later when Zmodem was
ported to TOPS-20 I used Zmodem.  I still use Zmodem.

You seem to think that this is some sort of effort to get Columbia to
agree to allow MS-Kermit to be put back on SimTel.  That is NOT the
case.  SimTel's policy is that programs submitted to the collection MUST
include documentation.  If MS-Kermit were submitted today it would be
rejected because it does not include documentation.

Keith
--
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:
>[e-mail] (Steven W. Layten) writes:
>>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
>>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
>>likely to kill the Kermit effort.
>
>It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM.  If
>it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes.  The
>proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation.  They sell
>9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs?

That's a good question, Keith :-)  I can understand why they might not
wish to include the documentation on-disk, as then there's the
possibility of folks copying it too much, which would hinder the project.

But if they offer, for example, a CD-ROM of their latest Kermit
offerings, updated once a year, with two manuals for... oh, $99 or so,
perhaps $129, they'd get some happy Information Services folks who like
the new CD-ROM toys.

In the case of Kermit, however, usually folks want only one version,
perhaps two or three (unix, PC and Mac, for example for a typical college
installation).  These can be distributed more cheaply via floppy disks or
tape.  CD-ROMS have the problem of only being inexpensive if:

* Many are produced at once

or

* They have their own CD-writer, which is $5000 they probably don't have
lying around.


If they produce many at once, the problem happens when Kermit upgrades
occur, and the CD-ROMS are useless.  With magnetic media, *zot*, it's
erased and a new copy is put on.

Am I on the right track, Frank?  :-)

Ken
[e-mail]

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Hello,

[e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:

>[e-mail] (Bill Davidsen) writes:
>>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
>>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
>>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
>>people have the software completely eludes me.

>In my opinion Kermit became CRIPPLEWARE several years ago when Columbia
>University stopped providing the full documentation as a file which could
>be downloaded.  This forces users to purchase the book if they wish to
>take full advantage of the software.

Oh please, give us a break.
I have been using Joe Doupnik's MS-Kermit every now and then for years,
without ever reading a book about it. It comes with enough material to get
started and do what you need. It is everything else but "Crippleware" !

So, recently some of our power users switched from DOS to OS/2 and
wanted, in that process, replace their early-eighties terminal software
that they used for their database retrieval sessions with something else.
This was, in my opinion, a good job for OS/2-CKermit, and a good
opportunity to buy the book. So I now have that book, and,
once we've figured out why this thing refuses telnet connections to
some hosts while dealing perfectly with others, we will run C_Kermit
as well.

On the other hand, I have to admit that my boss wans't overly enthusiastic
to use "something you've pulled off the Net". So when he started playing
around with OS/2 I gave him the Walnut Creek Hobbes CD (on which kermit,
probaly for the last time, was) and suggested him to have a look
into the whole thing. The next day I had my purchase order for the book... :-)

So you can count at least one sold book onto a CD publishing...

I would like to add a personal remark: My posting, which was at the
beginning of this thread, and which was a little bit furiously worded,
originally was meant as a private mail and was posted accidentally.
While I disagree with his opinion I respect Frank da Cruz' whish not to
be further involved with this thread. What we are essentially discussing
here is the way Columbia funds the Kermit Project. The essence seems to be
that they earn money by both documentation sales and distribution fees.

Some people here have argued that CD publishing would increase documentation
sales. But no one has (and probably noone can do so without hard numbers
and good market estimates) weighed the increased publication revenues (?)
against estimated loss of distrubtion fees. Those who can do this best are
the Columbia folks, since they have at least hard numbers on their current
funding status. Apparently these numbers tohether with the necessary estimates
say that they would not benefit from CDROM publishing. Without knowing
their numbers, and without provably better own numbers, there isn't much
anybody can argue about that.

Regards

Christoph Weber-Fahr



--
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--------------------------  My personal opinion only    ---------------------


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
writes:
> So, recently some of our power users switched from DOS to OS/2 and
> wanted, in that process, replace their early-eighties terminal software
> that they used for their database retrieval sessions with something else.
> This was, in my opinion, a good job for OS/2-CKermit, and a good
> opportunity to buy the book. So I now have that book, and,
> once we've figured out why this thing refuses telnet connections to
> some hosts while dealing perfectly with others, we will run C_Kermit
> as well.
>
Fixed in 5A(190).  It was a bug :-)

You will like 5A(190) much better than 189.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin,
binary mode, file cko190.zip.

- Frank
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: On 20 Sep 1994, [e-mail] (Earl H. Kinmonth) wrote:

[Question from jp1ek about DOS/V kermit pointing out bug in handling
of Old-Jis as used by Nikkei Telecom.]

: I don't know about the 3.13 beta you have -- Kanji terminal emulation for
: DOS/V might or might not be in it.  It will be in version 3.14 when it is
: announced (hopefully very soon).  I sent your question to the person who
: wrote the Kanji terminal support for MS-DOS Kermit and received this
: response:
: response:

: "Sorry for the delay.

: "I don't know about the Nikkei Data Base, and unfortunately, I have
: no friends who are using that DataBase.

: "However, I got another report from someone who is using the Nikkei
: Telecom DataBase, and he pointed out that Nikkei Telecom uses an
: improper ESC sequence to designate the JIS X 201 character set.  This
: is a well-known wrong sequence which was implemented in very very old
: software, and the sequence is 'ESC ( H' which should be used to
: designate the Swedish character set."

: So it looks like the right thing to do would be to get Nikkei Telecom
: to fix their character-set designating escape sequence.  If this is not
: the correct answer, let me know.

The response above is correct but unlikely to get much of a hearing
from Nikkei.  I have had dealings with the Nikkei people in the US,
the UK, and Japan.  Among the printable adjectives that come to mind
are smug, arrogant, thick, stupid, condescending, etc.  When you've
got a monopoly or near monopoly, your standards, however FUBAR they
may be you are "correct."

Just to give perspective on Nikkei, they consider themselves state of
the art because in the last couple of years, they've finally started
providing 2400 baud dialup service in Japan and packet switching ports
(at 2400 baud half duplex).  When I pointed out that most pimply
teenagers running a BBS out of some attic in the US or the UK were
providing 9600 baud or better, the irony was lost.

The interface on the Nikkei database has to be experienced to be
believed.  A former database expert at the British Library described
it as "user vicious" as contrasted with "user friendly."  When I was
programming mainframes in the early 1970s, the UNIVAC software for
interactive access was already more sophisticated than what Nikkei
offers in the 1990s.  The software that they supply for this very
pricey "service" seems to be at least 10 years old.  The highest
screen resolution it offers is EGA.

Nevertheless, dealing with the Nikkei is rather like working with the
IBM AT standard.  Yes, it's crap.  Yes, it's wrong.  But it's there
and it's a very big chunk of the market....

PS

The version of kterm supplied with SCO UNIX ODT Japanese supplement
does handle the Nikkei improper escape sequence properly....

--
Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
Sheffield, England S10 2TN [e-mail]


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Has anybody devised any "fun" Kermit scripts?

Things to answer questions, simulate an ftp site, such like that?

I know it's got to be possible (while perhaps no "real" FTP on MS-DOS, at
least look and feel like FTP, and then offer Kermit to download the file(s)
with)

Comments?


Ken
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From: [e-mail] (Gerhard Postpischil)
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Edmond Siu ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Does anybody know what line I have to add to system.ini or win.ini for windows inorder to use com port 4? because if I run telix in windows on com 4. the computer crashes.. There is a special line I'm suppose to add to it inorder to make windows accept
communication on com port 4.

I'm not sure of the text you'd need to add to the .INI files, but have
you tried defining the port explicitly?  If you go to the Setup, then
Comm(serial?) ports, then Advanced Setup, you should be able to define
the port explicitly - it adds one or two lines to the .INI file (if it
doesn't, give it an incorrect address/IRQ to force the text to be added,
then fix manually).

It is also possible that you have run afoul of another problem, that of
serial ports having to be contiguous. If you do not have a COM2 or COM3,
Windows will make them contiguous (e.g., by changing your COM4 to COM3),
without changing the I/O address or IRQ.

Note also that the MicroSoft Diagnostic program (MSD.EXE) does *not* display
correct IRQ information - it only shows the defaults.

Hope this helps.

Gerhard Postpischil                        @ Capital PC User Group
Vienna, VA    703-938-1928                   Rockville, MD
[Team OS/360]  [Team OS/2]

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Subject: Re: "Fun" Kermit scripts?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
writes:
> Has anybody devised any "fun" Kermit scripts?
>
Yes, folks, Kermit can be fun too!

> Things to answer questions, simulate an ftp site, such like that?
>
Of course -- Even ELIZA-like programs can be written very easily.
Hint: make liberal use of the ASK and GETOK commands.

By the way, a long time ago, before Kermit had arithmetic operations
like INCREMENT and DECREMENT, etc, we had the following truly atrocious
submission from our good friend Gisbert in Bonn, still one of my all-time
favorites -- very much an "in" joke, don't take it seriously:

;Date: Sat, 24 Aug 91 01:19:23 MEZ
;From: "Gisbert W.Selke" <[e-mail]>
;Subject: The Old Curiosity Shop
;Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, PRODUCT macro
;
; File ARITHMET.INI
; Arithmetic for MS-DOS-Kermit!
; Gisbert W.Selke, Aug 1991.
; Share and enjoy.
;
; This collection of macro definitions for MS-DOS Kermit 3.10 (or later)
; was prompted by Chris Gianone's remark:
; "Meanwhile, creative Kermit users will no doubt find their own uses for
; [the PRODUCT macro]". (Using MS-DOS Kermit, 2nd ed., p 182)
;
; Having done some math, I think I *know* what a product is...
; Given that Joe D. has made Kermit with its script language a universal
; Turing machine...  There you are.
;
; TAKE this file from the MS-Kermit> prompt; then, you can do calculations:
; tadd  <number1> <number2> <...> : show sum of numbers
;                                   ex: tadd  15 17    yields 32
;                                   ex: tadd  15 17 19 yields 51
; tmult <number1> <number2> <...> : show product of numbers
;                                   ex: tmult 11 13    yields 143
;                                   ex: tmult 2 3 4 5  yields 120
; tfact <number>                  : show factorial of number
;                                   ex: tfact 5        yields 120
; Macros used internally are explained below.
;
; More importantly, when you're in CONNECT mode and your host sends a
; sequence like "ESC [ 15;7 ~", the product of the two numbers will
; appear on your screen.
;
; Remark: Multiplication can be implemented more efficiently. This is
;         left as an exercise for the reader. So are FFT and primality
;         testing for large integers.
;
; Uses variables \%a..\%e as arithmetic registers and for passing results.
;
; Elementary operations:
; Increment one-digit number (\%1) by 1; result in \%r, overflow in \%o:
def inc1  def \%o 0,if = \%1 0 def \%r 1,if = \%1 1 def \%r 2,-
if = \%1 2 def \%r 3,if = \%1 3 def \%r 4,if = \%1 4 def \%r 5,-
if > \%1 4 inc1b \%1
; internal macro for inc1:
def inc1b if = \%1 5 def \%r 6,if = \%1 6 def \%r 7,if = \%1 7 def \%r 8,-
if = \%1 8 def \%r 9,if = \%1 9 def \%r 0,if = \%1 9 def \%o 1
; Increment the number in registers \%a..\%e by 1:
def inc5  inc1 \%e, ass \%e \%r,if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%d, ass \%d \%r,-
if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%c, ass \%c \%r, if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%b,-
ass \%b \%r, if = \%o 0 go e,inc1 \%a, ass \%a \%r,:e

; Split multi-digit number into digits, result in \%a..\%e:
def split def \%a 0,def \%b 0,def \%c 0,def \%d 0,def \%e 0,-
if = \%1 0 go e,set cou \%1,:l,inc5 \%a \%b \%c \%d \%e,if cou go l,:e

; Add \%1 to number in \%a..\%e:
def add1  if = \%1 0 go e,set cou \%1,:l,inc5 \%a \%b \%c \%d \%e,-
if cou go l,:e
; Add two numbers; result in \%a..\%e:
def add   split 0,if > \v(argc) 1 split \%1,if > \v(argc) 2 add1 \%2,-
if > \v(argc) 3 add1 \%3,if > \v(argc) 4 add1 \%4,-
if > \v(argc) 5 add1 \%5,if > \v(argc) 6 add1 \%6,-
if > \v(argc) 7 add1 \%7,if > \v(argc) 8 add1 \%8,-
if > \v(argc) 9 add1 \%9

; Multiply number in \%a..\%e by \%1; result in \%a..\%e:
def mult1 set cou \%1,ass \%9 \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e,if > \%1 0 go s,split 0,-
go e,:l,add1 \%9,:s,if cou go l,:e
; Multiply two numbers; result in \%a..\%e:
def mult  split 1,if > \v(argc) 1 split \%1,if > \v(argc) 2 mult1 \%2,-
if > \v(argc) 3 mult1 \%3,if > \v(argc) 4 mult1 \%4,-
if > \v(argc) 5 mult1 \%5,if > \v(argc) 6 mult1 \%6,-
if > \v(argc) 7 mult1 \%7,if > \v(argc) 7 mult1 \%8,-
if > \v(argc) 9 mult1 \%9

; Time-honoured practice: a factorial routine:
def fact  split 1,if = \%1 0 go e,set count \%1,:l,mult1 \v(count),-
if cou go l,:e

; user interface macros: calls for macros above, plus display of result:
def fatal echo Error: \%1\13, def \%1, stop      ; error handler
def tinc1  inc1 \%1,echo \%o\%r                  ; ex: tinc1  5
def tinc5b inc5b \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e
                                                 ; ex: tinc5b 1 2 3 9 9
def tinc5  split \%1,inc5 \%a \%b \%c \%d \%e,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e
                                                 ; ex: tinc5 99
def tsplit split \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e        ; ex: tsplit 12399
def tadd   add  \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e
def tadd1  add1 \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e         ; ex: split 17, tadd1 15
def tmult1 mult1 \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e        ; ex: split 13, tmult1 7
def tmult  mult \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e
def tfact  if not = \v(argc) 2 fatal {TFact takes exactly 1 numeric -
argument},fact \%1,echo \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e
; Multiplication per PRODUCT macro:
def product   mult \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9,-
askq \%9 Result is \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e\59 hit RETURN:,connect
; Factorial:
def factorial if not = \v(argc) 2 fatal {Factorial takes exactly 1 -
numeric argument},fact \%1,askq \%9 Result is \%a\%b\%c\%d\%e\59 -
hit RETURN:,connect
; End of MS-DOS-Kermit arithmetic routines.
;
;\Gisbert
;
;[Ed. - Gisbert, you have done a fine job of demonstrating the power,
elegance,
;user-friendliness, and ease of use of MS-DOS Kermit's script programming
;language!  This breakthrough makes cryptic programming languages like C,
;Fortran, and BASIC -- not to mention hand calculators -- totally obsolete.]

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Dunstan)
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Subject: Re: CR translation in telnet connection
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In article <367bso$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
|> In article <[e-mail]>
|> [e-mail] (Andrew Dunstan)  writes:
|> > I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and
|> > then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul
|> > translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs,
|> > when all I want to send is a plain CR.
|> >
|> The makers of the Ethergate should read RFC854.
|>
|> However, this is becoming such a pervasive problem that the forthcoming
|> releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit will add an option,
|> SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW, to allow carriage returns to be sent
|> bare, with no LF or NUL stuffed after them as required by the TELNET
|> NVT specification (RFC854).
|>

Thanks for this, Frank.

Strangely enough, old versions of kermit seem to work fine - it's only the
current version that I had to put together when we migrated to Solaris 2.3
that broke. Also, the Solaris Telnet client works fine - apparently it just
negotiates binary mode with the egate and then treats CR in raw mode.

BTW, apropos mirrors, insisting that columbia is the only official site
is a little hard on those of us who are an ocean and a continent away
from there. If every Australian user were to download via our US link, the
traffic would be quite heavy. Perhaps columbia should consider making
mirror arrangements with some well-known mirror sites, if only to ease the
network traffic.

cheers

andrew dunstan


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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es?
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Roland Kwee ([e-mail]) wrote:

: While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact
: that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform,
: I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board
: systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading
: files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend.

: Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not
: a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners
: of zmodem lobbying against it?

: Kermit deserves better.
: --Roland          email: [e-mail]

Agreed. Maximus 2.01wb has support for external protocols, and I'd love
to see a config file for using MS-Kermit with Maximus.

Having 25 cent local calls and only one PC, it's a little difficult and
expensive for me to do though.

Any volunteers?

--
Arthur Marsh, telephone [phone], fax [phone]
               [e-mail], [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing
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David Spencer ([e-mail]) wrote:
: What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a
: sane environment?

: 99 44/100 % of my use of kermit is to have my i486 svr4.2 unix box
: talk over the phone lines to a Sun running Solaris. The modems on both
: ends are using Hayes protocol. The modem on the Sun end is connected
: to a terminal server, which I believe is using telnet to talk to the
: Suns. The modem on the i486 is hooked to a serial port.

: I assume I need to escape the flow control charaacters for the modems.
: I think both ends are using rts/cts, though at least one may use
: xon/xoff.

Would the output from stty -a at both ends be needed to see what characters
are intercepted by the Unixes at each end, or do kermit commands like the
following get around the problem:

set flow rts/cts
SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT

I'd like to be able to make the data path from the serial port to C-Kermit
completely 8-bit transparent, with the only way of interrupting the
connection being to drop carrier (which would send a SIGHUP).

Any suggestions?

--
Arthur Marsh, telephone [phone], fax [phone]
               [e-mail], [e-mail]
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  Some of you are committing the extreme indignity of referring
to this protocol as kermit.

  The original Kermit is the immortal brainchild of the alas all-
too-mortal Jim Henson; please do him the honor of capitalizing Kermit.

  If you are still in the dark, Kermit was the original Muppet, in
the form of a green frog, who originated the expression, "It's not
easy, being green."

  Thank you for your attention.

[e-mail]

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[e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:

>I am writing this time as a management scientist and consultant, not
>as Garbo's moderator.
   [...very interesting argument deleted...]

This posting proves that it made sense to carry on this humungous thread
about _free_ kermit. It is a management problem. Columbia has a problem
with the costs of supporting users. Therefore, the problem is NOT
solved by restricting Kermit on CD roms.

In my opinion, Columbia should starting to charge for consulting. Or at
least ask a little louder for donations from users with questions.

If indeed there are so many users with problems, willing to spend time
and long-distance phone calls, then there is a market for Kermit consultants.
With a little preparation, I would like to think of starting a business.
(or is that against the principle that we are not allowed to make a profit
from Kermit....)

With free distribution of Kermit on as many CD's as possible, the consulting
business would do even better. Let the masses be introduced to Kermit!
As long as they like the features, and are willing to pay for solving the
problems, let them enjoy Kermit.

I would like to refer to organizations as the League for Programming
Freedom, and GNU (GNU's not Unix), and the Emacs Manifestos, that
contain further justifications of providing free software and how to
cover your costs.

Finally, I am for advancing the state of the art in computing, which in
the case of Kermit could mean: going to a better structured Kermit,
with a lot of reusable code. Right now, Kermit is dawntingly big.
Popularizing Kermit would therefore be better than keeping it secluded.

Frank, I hope to encourage you this way, because I feel a lot for
you guys, and Kermit.

Timo, feel free to give us some more thoughts on management of the Kermit
project.


--Roland           email: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
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In <36rhq1$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Matthews) writes:
...
:What do you think the ratio of support requests to manuals purchased
:is for people who get Kermit off a CD-ROM?

Do you have a hard number ? How big is it without a CD-ROM distribution?
As far as I am concern, we are speculating with this and can't
use it as the main issue.
As I said earlier, the main issue is not the people without manuals,
it is the objection of the CD-ROM vendors making money of kermit.
I understand this valid view, although am not totally agree.

-- budi
--
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From: [e-mail] (Terje Mathisen)
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Subject: Faster Kermit protocol engine
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When I wrote my Kermit implementation, I naturally looked for ways to
speed it up. Here are a few of the idea I used. Any comments?

Packet encoding:  I generate a 256x4 byte table of the needed encoding
for each possible character during the Send-Init negotiations.

The buffered file read routine sets the first position of the input
buffer after the file data to a value different from the last byte.

This lets me reduce the encoding to the following code: (MaxRep will
be either 1, if repeat quoting is unsupported or 94 if it is.)

  c = *ibuf; rep = 0;
  do {
    ibuf++;
    rep++;
  } while ((c == *ibuf) && (rep < MaxRep));
/* The previous loop must terminate due to the guard char */

  et = &encode_tab[c*4]; elen = *et++; /* Length-preceeded strings */
  if (rep + elen > 4) {  /* Use repeat prefix only if it's a win! */
    *ubuf++ = qrep;
    *ubuf++ = rep + ' ';
    rep = 1;
  }
  do {
    memcpy(ubuf,et,elen);
    ubuf += elen;
  } while (--rep);

The decoding process use another couple of 256-byte tables to handle
most of the logic and conversions.

-Terje Mathisen   (include std disclaimer)  <[e-mail]>
"almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching"



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From: [e-mail] (Ken)
Subject: Re: "Fun" Kermit scripts?
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In article <36spj4$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
> writes:
> > Has anybody devised any "fun" Kermit scripts?
> >
> Yes, folks, Kermit can be fun too!

:-)

>
> > Things to answer questions, simulate an ftp site, such like that?
> >
> Of course -- Even ELIZA-like programs can be written very easily.
> Hint: make liberal use of the ASK and GETOK commands.

Thanks :-)  I'll be *definately* ordering the book shortly - there is *sooo* much I'll need to know, and this is a case where the documentation is a need, rather than a wish!  (from everything I've heard about the book, it's one of the most complete, best written books not only about Kermit, but about communications in general!)

I look forward to eventually being able to submit some cool scripts to you, Frank - and I surely hope to see others doing it too!  It seems like such an incredibly powerful tool, even at simple first glance!

>
> By the way, a long time ago, before Kermit had arithmetic operations
> like INCREMENT and DECREMENT, etc, we had the following truly atrocious
> submission from our good friend Gisbert in Bonn, still one of my all-time
> favorites -- very much an "in" joke, don't take it seriously:

Can't wait to check it out :-)

--
Kenneth Udut                                          [e-mail]
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Hello,
     Does anyone have kermit script for Redial function?  I also try to
     write a script which can send a "SPACE" and "BACKSPACE" when the
     line is idol.  I am trying this because everytime I try to get a
     larger file from some FTP site to my remote account at home, my line
     will be cut off while I was waiting over 5 minutes without pressing
     any key on my keyboard.

     Please E-mail me your responses.  Thank you in advance...

     Rueiwun Tu

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Minimal control prefixing
Date: 5 Oct 1994 11:56:48 GMT
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In article <36m6lj$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Arthur Marsh) writes:
> David Spencer ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : What's the minimal set of control chars that should be prefixed in a
> : sane environment?
>
> : 99 44/100 % of my use of kermit is to have my i486 svr4.2 unix box
> : talk over the phone lines to a Sun running Solaris. The modems on both
> : ends are using Hayes protocol. The modem on the Sun end is connected
> : to a terminal server, which I believe is using telnet to talk to the
> : Suns. The modem on the i486 is hooked to a serial port.
>
> : I assume I need to escape the flow control charaacters for the modems.
> : I think both ends are using rts/cts, though at least one may use
> : xon/xoff.
>
This is documented just about as much as it can practically be documented
in the update files that come with C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit.  Each
particular case is different.  If nobody is using Xon/Xoff, you don't
have to prefix 17, 19, 143, and 145.  But this is not something you can
derive by force of logic -- you really have to try it, because you really
never know.  Kermit itself does not use Xon/Xoff if you tell it not to.

> Would the output from stty -a at both ends be needed to see what characters
> are intercepted by the Unixes at each end?
>
Absolutely, positively not.  Kermit does everything in its power to change
the tty modes to make the connection transparent to every character --
except Xon and Xoff if that type of flow control is being used.  tty modes
are saved when Kermit starts up, modified for command parsing, modifited
again for file transfer, and restored (hopefully :-) when Kermit exits.

> or do kermit commands like the following get around the problem:
>
> set flow rts/cts
> SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
> SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
> SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
>
These commands (except SET FLOW) have nothing to do with file transfer.

> I'd like to be able to make the data path from the serial port to C-Kermit
> completely 8-bit transparent, with the only way of interrupting the
> connection being to drop carrier (which would send a SIGHUP).
>
That is exactly what Kermit does itself.  You don't need to do anything
else in Kermit or on your Sun.  HOWEVER...  the problem is in the areas
outside of Kermit's control -- the modems (in your case), and in other
cases, the other components of the connection.

In your particular case you can probably get by with:

  SET FLOW RTS/CTS
  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL
  SET CONTROL PREFIX 1 129

This prefixes only the packet-start character.  In fact, you don't even
need to do this, but then if you get any transmission errors, recovery is
more difficult, i.e. time-consuming.

The discussion above assumes you are using C-Kermit 5A(190) on both ends.
The picture is slightly different otherwise.

- Frank



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From: [e-mail] (Captain Adam Albina)
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Subject: Re: Windows Modem setup
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I put the following lines in my system.ini and all works well on Com3.

(under the [386Enh] section, include:

Com1base=03F8
Com2base=2F8H
Com3base=03E8
Com4base=2E8H


No promises since I don't know your system- but this works for me.
Hope it helps.

Adam Albina




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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
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Subject: Crash recovery ?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 13:38:12 GMT
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Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol?
This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem.

thanks
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Stickelman)
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[e-mail] wrote:
: I'm using version 1.89 on OS/2 to log into Unix box . The
: problem I have is that I can't use either Emacs or Vi because
: of the lack of either an escape or an ALT-X that transmits
: to the application correctly.Also the arrow keys do not
: work in the applications . I have the book and have tried
: both set terminal arrow-keys and set terminal keypad-mode.
: What should I do next ?

: The oddest part is that the program works fine, arrow keys in
: application, etc - in calling into a VMS system. Is this some
: sort of anti-unix plot <G>.

: --
Matt,

I had the same sort of problem w/ vi and arrow keys from a DOS/Kermit
system.  One of our R&D folks pointed me to $HOME/.exrc.  (Note: ex and
vi are the same editor, different interface.)  When i added the line:
    set timeout=190
things got better.  Basically, vi has a timeout for escape sequences
which is based on the terminal's baud-rate.  Various pieces of a network
could cause timing delays that would exceed that limit.  Give it a try.

Chuck

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In article <36p234$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] writes:
>> Similarly would it be possible (on suitable OSs) to have the kermit
>> server program pass all non-kermit characters to another process via a
>> virtual terminal thus allowing the use of a mixture of Kermit server
>> commands and direct host OS interaction without the need to start the
>> and stop the remote server?
>>
>How does the server tell the difference between non-Kermit characters
>and a trashed Kermit packet?

A valid point. I would not expect to use this mode except over
relatively clean communication channels. Simply waiting for the EOL
character would probably suffice.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Crash recovery ?
Date: 5 Oct 1994 14:46:56 GMT
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In article <36ua84$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi
Rahardjo) writes:
> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol?
> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem.
>
Not only is there a plan, it's done.  Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit
5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular
Kermit implementations soon thereafter.  Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce
for announcements.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Keith Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>I hope that someone does have a magic pill because when you say that
>that Kermit cannot be distributed on *any* CD-ROMs it means that the
>folks who distribute FreeBSD, BSDI, SunOS, Linux, and other operating
>systems, as well as DECUS, may no longer include Kermit, even through
>it is free of charge, on their CD-ROMs.

For the record, I don't know of any Linux CDROM's that still distribute
kermit (there used to be some due to ignorance, but it looks like that
has been cleared up for a while now) and it doesn't seem to be hurting
linux at all. The CDROM's still ship with zmodem, xmodem, etc., and the
first thing I do after installing Linux is downlaod kermit with zmodem.

Inconvienent? Yes.
Unreasonable? No.

If Columbia doesn't make money from the CDROMs, why should the CDROMs make
money from Columbia? That doesn't seem fair at all.

Get real folks. Kermit is not going to die because of this, and neither are
ftp sites. It's not hard to find kermit on the net even if some sites
do exclude it.


Erik


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From: [e-mail] (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright
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In article <36ml93$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

   I think what disturbs me most about this discussion is that people
   seem to be more concerned with "how can we make money from this?"
   than "how can I get it for my own use?" or "how can I learn to use
   it more effectively?".

I think you're wrong.  I think that most people's concern is "How can
I make Kermit available for other's use?"  YOUR concern is "How can
Columbia make sure it makes money from this?" or at least not lose
money.  However, Columbia University, which sells its reputation to
its students and researchers, gains reputation from greater use of
Kermit.  So, Columbia's greater goals are served by wider use of
Kermit, even if it costs Columbia money to support the Kermit group.

Similarly, it was in Clarkson's best interest to fund its free
software devlopment.  Unfortunately, universities are stupid and short
sighted, which is why I'm no longer at one.  I heard that a prominent
Clarkson alumni asked to meet the people behind the Clarkson Packet
Driver Collection, and the director of the computing center had to
explain that I'd left the university.

   If you want to make money from our work, then you will have to share that
   money with us.

But as others have pointed out, free software isn't free.  There's
always a price associated with it.  So *someone* is always making
money off Kermit distribution.  You are trying to force physical media
distributors to pay you, simply because you can.

   If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to
   spend one red cent.  If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you
   advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us
   money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw.  That would
   include the universities, government agencies, research institute,
   hospitals, convents, and orphanages.

   Why don't we give it rest, eh?  Thanks.

Because the Kermit copyright is limiting (intentionally or not) the
distribution of Kermit.  If you want universities, government
agencies, research institutes, hospitals, convents, and orphanages to
be able to use Kermit, you have to make sure that they can get it.

What you are doing, by forcing the non-Internet-connected users to buy
floppies from you, is forcing the poorest Kermit users to fund the
richest, because your floppy prices are much higher than any shareware
house.  I know, because you're listed in my HOWTOGET.IT file
for packet drivers as the only place to get packet drivers on
floppies.

Your policies are perverse, and do not meet your stated goals.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright
Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:56:36 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Russell Nelson) writes:
> What you are doing, by forcing the non-Internet-connected users to buy
> floppies from you, is forcing the poorest Kermit users to fund the
> richest, because your floppy prices are much higher than any shareware
> house.
>
"Forcing" might be too strong a word, Russ, but you have point which most
of our readers are missing (even though I have brought it up before):

These "poorest Kermit users" (if we can infer they are poor from
the fact that they are not on the Internet) are paying the money that
supports the work that we do which you, the "richest" are benefitting from
for free.  Is there something wrong with this picture?  Of course.

Suppose the situation were reversed, and the Internet users, who are so
particular about how they can get our software and turn it into a moneymaker
for themselves without supporting our work -- or even, leaving those
people aside (even though it is in their behalf that these discussions are
being conducted, ad nauseum) -- those on the Internet who simply use our
software themselves... (now remember how this clause began, all of you
full backup parsers in human clothing...) paid for our work so that we
could distribute it free of charge to the people who are not on the
Internet?  You all know where to send your money.  Thanks.

I think everybody would like to see Kermit on CDROMs.  The
question is -- and nobody has yet answered it -- how do we do that without
killing the Kermit effort?  I'm not asking any of you to answer this
question: I don't think you can, unless you step forward with an endowment
that lets us carry on our work indefinitely in such a way that no funds
need to be raised, and everybody's needs are met.  As long as we must pay
or our own work, then it is up to us to decide how to do it.

I'd also like to remind everybody of the dynamics of newsgroups -- there
are variable amounts of time delay, which result in a peculiar kind of
resonance in discussions like this.  Russ's message was in response to one
of mine from many days ago.  Russ has a unique perspective, and apart from
his uncharacteristic closing sentence, offers some valuable insights.

But most of this is old territory,
and does not need to come to the foreground again and again simply because
of the mechanics of netnews.  So please, when you are composing your next
barb in the heat of the moment, pay attention to the date of the message
you are responding to, and if it is a day or two or more in the past, you
are probably not going to contribute anything new.

- Frank


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From: [e-mail] (Henk de Groot)
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Ok, we all jumped on Frank for not allowing Kermit on CD-ROM. We heard his
arguments and it is clear that it has to be this way. Still I find it a
pitty that Kermit was removed from the major archives for this reason. I
remember that we lost other programs too this way.

Is it possible to set up a special directory tree for those programs that
are of great value (like Kermit) but are not allowed to go on a CD-ROM.
This directory is not meant for every other program, authors must still
be pushed to allow their programs on CD-ROM, but it would solve difficult
situations like this one (an author that will not give-in and a product that
is too valuable to looze). During the generation of the CD-ROM this
directory can be skipped so that the programs will not appear on CD-ROM.

Maybe we can get some of the other programs that were lost because of the
CD-ROM restiction back also (or did they all agree with the CD-ROM
distribution in the end?).

Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as
far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up.

Kind Regards,


Henk.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Need kermit script for redial and idol protection...
Date: 5 Oct 1994 16:08:58 GMT
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In article <36u3k7$[e-mail]>,
Ruei-wun  Tu <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello,
>     Does anyone have kermit script for Redial function?  I also try to
>     write a script which can send a "SPACE" and "BACKSPACE" when the
>     line is idol.  I am trying this because everytime I try to get a
>     larger file from some FTP site to my remote account at home, my line
>     will be cut off while I was waiting over 5 minutes without pressing
>     any key on my keyboard.
>
>     Please E-mail me your responses.  Thank you in advance...
>
>     Rueiwun Tu

C-Kermit 5a(190) comes with a REDIAL macro.

As far as idle states, and disconnects during large ftp's.  I would suggest
using the HASH mode for ftp's.  This will generate a # mark for every X
bytes transfered.  This might prevent the disconnection, unless the daemon
only monitors incoming characters.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
OS/2 version 189 via ftp from watsun.cc.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Mike O'Connor)
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Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again
Date: 5 Oct 1994 15:25:21 GMT
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In article <36udql$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Erik Troan) writes:

>Get real folks. Kermit is not going to die because of this, and neither are
>ftp sites. It's not hard to find kermit on the net even if some sites
>do exclude it.
>
>Erik
>        Erik Troan = [e-mail] = http://sunsite.unc.edu/ewt

Then practice what you preach.  sunsite is funded in part by Sun, a
commercial concern if ever there was one.  sunsite, specifically,
you, though there's kermit stuff on there owned by other users,
is distributing Kermit.  Unless you have written authorization from
Columbia, I suggest that you think about what you are saying.

Here's the pertinent section of the Kermit Copyright:

  product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with
  commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to
  their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of
  Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University.

Here's the pertinent part of ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/READ.ME:

are provided without warranty of any kind.  Please read specific copyright
notices and disclaimers.  Most of this software is not "public domain".

Here's the pertinent part of ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/DISCLAIMER.readme:

ACCESS TO AND USE OF THE SunSite.unc.edu FTP SERVER IS SUBJECT TO THE
FOLLOWING TERMS AND CONDITIONS:   All software, documentation, research
data, and other materials ("Materials") submitted for installation on the
SunSite.unc.edu FTP Server will be deemed in the public domain, except for
any express restrictions included in such Materials by the submitting party.
Neither the University of North Carolina ("UNC") nor Sun Microsystems
Computer Corporation ("Sun") are responsible for providing notice of or
enforcing any such restrictions.  All parties submitting Materials to
the SunSite.unc.edu FTP Server represent and warrant to UNC and Sun that
the submission, installation, copying, distribution, and use of such
Materials in connection with the SunSite.unc.edu FTP Server will not
violate any other party's proprietary rights.  Neither UNC nor Sun are

And check out the files that you own on sunsite.unc.edu:

 pub/Linux/apps/comm:

-rwxr--r--  1 ewt        175588 Aug 11  1993 ckermit-189.tar.gz

 pub/Linux/distributions/MCC/1.0+/extra_packages:

-r--r--r--  1 ewt        173334 Mar 27 05:29 kermit.tgz

-Mike

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From: [e-mail] (David Handel)
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Subject: Information display during transfers
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I recently started using MS-Kermit 3.13 to connect from my home PC
(a Dell XPS P60) to my Sun login at my university. The Kermit at
the Sun end seems to be C-Kermit and the information
"4D(061) 8 Sep 86, 4.2 BSD" appears when it is summoned up.

I have experienced inconsistencies in the information display during
file transfer. Sometimes during a transfer the percentage of the
transfer completed is displayed (sometimes digitally, sometimes in
a linear graphical fashion), and other times this piece of information
is not displayed at all. I am not aware of any variations in my
procedure which would cause these differences. Can anyone explain?
Are there measures I can take to ensure that the percent completed
information is always displayed?

Thank you,
Dave

--
     Dave Handel                  Department of Mathematics
     [e-mail]        Wayne State University
                                  Detroit, Michigan 48202

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Information display during transfers
Date: 5 Oct 1994 17:18:52 GMT
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In article <36uibd$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David
Handel) writes:
> I recently started using MS-Kermit 3.13 to connect from my home PC
> (a Dell XPS P60) to my Sun login at my university. The Kermit at
> the Sun end seems to be C-Kermit and the information
> "4D(061) 8 Sep 86, 4.2 BSD" appears when it is summoned up.
>
Notice the date: eight years and four weeks ago.  That has given us
time to make quite a few improvements :-)  -- including the ones you
are asking about.

C-Kermit 5A(190), in its VERY LAST beta edit, is available via anonymous
ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode,
file cku190.tar.Z (and .gz).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Mariusz Zydyk)
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Subject: Re: Why is Kermit not popular on BBS-es?
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> While I like the Kermit protocol, the terminal emulator, the fact
> that it is available for free, and runs on nearly every platform,
> I am often unhappily surprised that many (most?) bulletin board
> systems offer an outdated and slow version of Kermit for downloading
> files. Also, products like Procomm show this trend.

> Is there a conspiracy against Kermit? Is it that because it is not
> a commercial enterprise that nobody lobbies for it? Are the owners
> of zmodem lobbying against it?

There is no conspiracy against Kermit. I myself only started to use it
when I got my INet access. It is supported on quite a few BBS [mainly
those run on Maximus] but you say it is an outdated version. Most
people do not use Kermit on BBSs because it is quite difficult to set
up an external protocol [for sysops who want a newer version of Kermit]
and there are faster and more popular protocols [namely Z-modem, Bimodem,
and a bunch of others] and Kermit is not seen as a very fast protocol.
I get about 55-60% efficiency, and my terminal program always gives an
inflated ratio, so I don't know. But you're right that Kermit deserves
better...

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In article <36481e$[e-mail]>,
Philip Wirtz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I use MSDOS Kermit on a PC-compatible machine to emulate a VT100 when
>connecting (over a modem) to a Sun running Solaris.  I can upload,
>download, and "transparent print" without problem.  When logged on to the
>Sun, I use tn3270 to connect to an IBM mainframe running VM/CMS.  As an
>alternative route to the IBM mainframe, I can use MSDOS Kermit to dial up
>through a 7171 protocol emulator.  I have no problem using Kermit to
>upload, download, or transparent print when I use the ALTERNATIVE route to
>the IBM mainframe (i.e., dialing up through the 7171).  However, when
>using the tn3270 route (which of course bypasses the 7171), I cannot
>upload, download or transparent print.  Speculatively, it appears that
>escape sequences are not being properly passed to the Sun (and therefore
>to my PC), so (for example) the PC Kermit does not know that it needs to

The 7171 use a "transparent mode" bypassing ASCII/EBCDIC translation
and screen formats to transmit data in half duplex mode during file
transfers with VM Kermit, printing with TPRINT and others.
VM Kermit reconises the 7171 automagically and uses it that way.
A 3270 emulator may or may not recognise the special buffer format
it receives from the mainframe when entering transparent mode.
If it does not, results are unpredictable.
If it does, look into your man tn3270 to see what it does with the data.
As I recall vaguely, you might pipe it to your communication line, but I
have never tried and I'm uncertain about how replies can be sent back.
An alternative might be to instruct VM Kermit not to use transparent
mode but normal screen I/O with a SET CONTROLLER command.
I understand one should exist for your purpose, but I've never tried
it either, sorry. Look into the doc.
Beware of ASCII/EBCDIC translation in this case.

Andri.

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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

:[e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo) writes:
:> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol?
:> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem.
:>
:Not only is there a plan, it's done.  Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit
:5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular
:Kermit implementations soon thereafter.  Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce
:for announcements.

Bravo... I am waiting for the announcement.
[the first newsgroup I am going to scan  :-)  ]


-- budi
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From: [e-mail] (Alan J Holmes)
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:
>[e-mail] (Steven W. Layten) writes:
>>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
>>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
>>likely to kill the Kermit effort.

>It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM.  If
>it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes.  The
>proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation.  They sell
>9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs?

There are an awful lot of people who do not have CD-ROM players,
how are they to obtain the documentation?  Is it on the file from
ftp?

Regards

Alan Holmes


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From: [e-mail] (Mike O'Connor)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Henk de Groot) writes:

>Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as
>far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up.
>  /   / de Groot  Dep: ALD2          | E-Mail: [e-mail]

Ahhh...  DEC.  Aren't you the guys that are shipping Kermit on CD-ROM
yourselves, as part of the Alpha OSF/1 Freeware stuff?  I'd suggest that
before asking Timo and Keith to be nice guys that you ought to start
asking the people who cut your Freeware CD to obtain written permission
from Columbia to distribute.

Hey, your stock is rebounding a bit -- you can afford it.

-Mike

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------- I just started using Kermit [5A(189)] and I noticed that
when transferring files the file size on my PC at home is very
different from the original. It is always larger [72K file comes
out as 78K], but I haven't been able to see any differences between
the two. It is not a big deal at the moment, but shortly [today] I
will need to transfer some ZIP files and I'd like the size to
be preserved for obvious reasons. Why does Kermit do this and is
there a way around it?
Any help would be appreciated..

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: File sizes and Kermit
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In article <36uqd8$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Mariusz Zydyk) writes:
> ------- I just started using Kermit [5A(189)] and I noticed that
> when transferring files the file size on my PC at home is very
> different from the original. It is always larger [72K file comes
> out as 78K], but I haven't been able to see any differences between
> the two. It is not a big deal at the moment, but shortly [today] I
> will need to transfer some ZIP files and I'd like the size to
> be preserved for obvious reasons. Why does Kermit do this and is
> there a way around it?
>
Tell the Kermit program that is sending the file to "set file type
binary".  The differences between text and binary mode transfer are
explained in the documentation, and have also been discussed on this
newsgroup.

- Frank

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[e-mail] (Alan J Holmes) writes:
>There are an awful lot of people who do not have CD-ROM players,
>how are they to obtain the documentation?  Is it on the file from
>ftp?

No.  That's what this whole discussion is about.  You must purchase the
Kermit book to get the documentation because Columbia withdrew it from
free distribution several years ago.  This makes it impossible to use
all of Kermit's features unless you pay US$34.95 for the documentation.

Here is the information on how to purchase the book.

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $45 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone] (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including
    German-language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price:
    DM 69,00.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG,
    Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. [phone],
    Fax. [phone].

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
    & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
    MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
    diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
    Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].


Keith
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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[e-mail] (Henk de Groot) writes:
>Is it possible to set up a special directory tree for those programs that
>are of great value (like Kermit) but are not allowed to go on a CD-ROM.
>This directory is not meant for every other program, authors must still
>be pushed to allow their programs on CD-ROM, but it would solve difficult
>situations like this one (an author that will not give-in and a product that
>is too valuable to looze). During the generation of the CD-ROM this
>directory can be skipped so that the programs will not appear on CD-ROM.

SimTel's policy is not to maintain a separate collection of limited
distribution programs.

>Maybe we can get some of the other programs that were lost because of the
>CD-ROM restiction back also (or did they all agree with the CD-ROM
>distribution in the end?).

They all agreed to either change their CD-ROM distribution limitations
or they gave SimTel special permission to include their programs on our
CD-ROMs because they realized that Simtel could not exist without the
revenues produced from CD-ROM sales.

>Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as
>far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up.

MS-Kermit can not be accepted in its present form because the
documentation is not included.  SimTel's policy is not to accept
programs which do not include documentation.  You will not see
MS-Kermit on SimTel again until that situation changes.

Keith
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Keith Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:

[stuff deleted]

:MS-Kermit can not be accepted in its present form because the
:documentation is not included.  SimTel's policy is not to accept
:programs which do not include documentation.  You will not see
:MS-Kermit on SimTel again until that situation changes.

Well, what about TeX/LaTeX, and the implementations of it that exist?
With those programs it's the exact same thing--everything is publically
available, but if you want to know every little thing, you need to
purchase the TeXbook, LaTeX-A Document Preparation System, and ideally,
The LaTeX Companion.  Does this mean that you'll be getting rid of the
DOS version of TeX that exists on SimTel?

What about some of the GNU programs ported to DOS?  Their documentation
isn't that complete.  Hell, gsed only includes the GNU copying.doc
file.  And gsed --help doesn't give you any form of informative help,
so that can't be construed as documentation.

Or what about Pmail?  Same thing.  On-line help, but they still suggest
you purchase the manual.  In fact, quite a few programs do this.

Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't
any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book?  But then again,
it seems to be okay for MicroSlop to sell me DOS v6.22 with a flimsy
pamphlet, and then expect me to shell out another $39.99 for a manual.

Oh well, you win some, you lose some...

        --Jerry


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
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[e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't
>any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book?

The help file supplied with MS-Kermit says:

   This file briefly summarizes the commands and features of MS-DOS
   Kermit 3.13.  For detailed information, consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit",
   second edition, by Christine M. Gianone, published by ......

Keith
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Keith Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
:[e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
:>Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't
:>any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book?
:
:The help file supplied with MS-Kermit says:
:
:   This file briefly summarizes the commands and features of MS-DOS
:   Kermit 3.13.  For detailed information, consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit",
:   second edition, by Christine M. Gianone, published by ......

I'm not denying that.  But what about all of the other examples that I
listed?  All of them are definitely breaking your documentation rules.
So, will you or won't you be getting rid of them, and refusing to keep
them on SimTel until they change their documentation?

        --Jerry

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Madsen)
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Subject: Re: USing Unix editors while under kermit
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In a previous article, [e-mail] () says:

>I'm using version 1.89 on OS/2 to log into Unix box . The
>problem I have is that I can't use either Emacs or Vi because
>of the lack of either an escape or an ALT-X that transmits
>to the application correctly.

Did you realize that the default init file for OS/2 swaps the Esc and
backquote keys?  To get Esc, you have to type backquote (`), and vice versa.
To fix this <expletive deleted>, edit CKERMOD.INI (on your OS/2 system).
Search for the two lines:
  set key \27 \96                 ; Swap the Escape and Accent-Grave keys
  set key \96 \27                 ; during CONNECT mode
Delete these (or comment them out by putting a semicolon at the beginning
of each) and your Esc key should work again.  (You use Esc X to send M-X
to Emacs, of course.)

>Also the arrow keys do not work in the applications.

The arrow keys work fine for me.  Check the TERM environment variable
on the Unix box and make sure it thinks you're a VT100 or similar terminal.

BTW, the version is 5A(189), not 1.89 :-)  C-Kermit has weird version numbers.
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From: [e-mail] (Lou Kates)
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <36q981$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It's true, Keith did suggest changing Kermit to shareware.  And various
>other people suggested charging for support, setting up 900 numbers, and
>so on.  Our many well-wishers do not understand the detailed organizational
>and legal constraints under which we operate.  I will only say that I have
>not seen a suggestion posted in this discussion, or mailed to me privately,
>that I did not already think of myself years ago.

Timo hit the nail on the head when he pointed out that you are not likely
going to solve the problem until you understand what the problem is.

What are these detailed organizational and legal constraints under which
you operate which supposedly prevent you from simply charging for support
or implementing other solutions which seem to make a lot more sense than
restricting distribution?

Perhaps if you spelled them out so that we can all understand
these barriers then we could all creatively figure out a way around them.

Lou Kates, [e-mail]

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I'm attempting to do Kermit file transfer through a particularly
obstinate controller which has no transparent mode (a RS/6000 runnin HCON).

Following the model on p.136 of Using C-Kermit, I begin by telling my OS/2
system:
[C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set parity even
[C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set send start 58

?Not in ASCII control range - 58
?Invalid: set send start 58
(It complains)..

I'm in local mode on OS/2 2.99 (Warp II Beta)
running over a V42 56/14.4Kbps dialup link to the 6000.
Version of C-Kermit is:
C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.16. 7 Aug 94 for OS/2
 C-Kermit Protocol Module 5A(068), 31 Jul 94
 C-Kermit functions, 5A(117) 30 Jul 94
 Command package 5A(062), 24 Jul 94
 User Interface 5A(145), 7 Aug 94
 Character Set Translation 5A(022), 24 Jan 94
 OS/2 CONNECT command 5A(152), 5 Aug 94
 Dial Command, 5A(060) 7 Aug 94
 Script Command, 5A(022) 7 Aug 93
 Network support, 5A(036) 7 Aug 94
 OS/2 Network support, 5A(028) 5 Aug 94
 OS/2 NetBios support, 5A(008) 22 Jul 94
 OS/2 Mouse Support 5A(002), 5 Aug 94

It's probably something that I don't understand properly.  When I fire up
C-Kermit 190 on the 6000 (in remote mode) the set start command is accepted.

C-Kermit 5A(190) ALPHA.02, 10 Apr 94, for IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2
Type ? or HELP for help
C-Kermit>set send start 58
C-Kermit>

--

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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[e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>I'm not denying that.  But what about all of the other examples that I
>listed?  All of them are definitely breaking your documentation rules.
>So, will you or won't you be getting rid of them, and refusing to keep
>them on SimTel until they change their documentation?

The other programs you listed are documented in the GNU distribution
which is available from SimTel's primary mirror site OAK.Oakland.Edu,
and most of its mirrors.  Since they are on the same site that meets the
criteria.

If you find any other programs in the msdos collection which lack
documentation please send me a list by e-mail and I will immediately
delete them.                        ^^^^^^^^^

Keith
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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Steven W. Layten) writes:
:As one of the normally "silent readers" of this discussion, I'm going to
:throw caution to the winds and add my comments.

And a very good and balanced posting it is.

:I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
:and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
:likely to kill the Kermit effort.  All resources would have to go to
:support and no further development.  I'm sure that the Kermit group would

This is the fallacy that besets this dilemma.  The problem in likely
to gradually get worse whether or not CD-ROM distribution is
accepted by Columbia.  The only difference is that it will get worse
just a bit more quickly if CD-ROM distribution is involved.

It is not for me to try to dictate what Columbia should do, but I
can try to help my friends by pointing out that it is useful them to
list all the alternatives dispassionately and consider their pros
and cons financially and workloadwise.

The problem will not disappear with non-CDROM distribution.  It will
not disappear if for example SimTel and Garbo CDROMs were allowed.
It will not even disappear if and when I shut up.  The cause is in
the exponential grown of computer users with an interest in products
like Kermit.  If there is no cost, user demand for free services
always finally will exceed the supply, and anyone with a basic
economics course will know.  There is no suplly-demand equiligbrium
at zero price.

   All the best, Timo

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
:Timo,
:    Why must Frank be coerced into changing the practices of Kermit
:distribution?  Frank is repeating the same position simply because that
:*is* his position.  He is unnecessarily under fire.

Wherever did you get that notion, dear Ken?  I am not coercing Frank
to do anything he is not willing to do.  Economic realities and his
limited time (only 24 hours a day) to allocate to give support may,
however, do so in the long run.  I may be right, I may be wrong,
but I predict (I cannot know) that Columbia's solution will not be
viable.  What I forecast is that they will sooner or later have to
find ways to charge for at least part of the support.

Telling about realities of life as I see them is not putting someone
under fire.  Have you seen me make any DEMANDS on Frank during this
discussion?

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
Date: 4 Oct 1994 17:44:28 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
:The bigger problem is that it's Columbia's business to concern themselves
:with it and Frank's business to concern himself with it.  It's *not* our
:concern.

:The existance of the discussion is painful to Frank as he is getting
:blasted left and right for sticking to what he feels is best.  He DOESN'T
:want to turn Kermit into a commercial venture.

Frank, if you truly feel about this as Ken here assumes, that I have
overstepped the line and that I am on your back, I promise to
unsubscribe comp.protocols.kermit.misc the very second you ask me
to.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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<36vjgs$[e-mail]> was cancelled from within rn.

s:
:   [...very interesting argument deleted...]
:
:This posting proves that it made sense to carry on this humungous thread
:about _free_ kermit. It is a management problem. Columbia has a problem

:Frank, I hope to encourage you this way, because I feel a lot for
:you guys, and Kermit.
:
:Timo, feel free to give us some more thoughts on management of the Kermit
:project.

Thank you for the very nice posting.  I think, however, that I have
already about covered all the essential points that I had.  For the
time being I do not have anything additional to contribute without
repeating myself.

My compliments for everyone for participating in a constructive
manner, which is the way we should always manage to work on the
Usenet news.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Henk de Groot)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In <36ulqo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike O'Connor) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Henk de Groot) writes:
>>Please Keith or Timo, can this be arranged or are we in a Draw position as
>>far as Kermit is concerned? I think its your turn now to give in or give up.
>>  /   / de Groot  Dep: ALD2          | E-Mail: [e-mail]
>
>Ahhh...  DEC.  Aren't you the guys that are shipping Kermit on CD-ROM
>[...]
>
>Hey, your stock is rebounding a bit -- you can afford it.
>
>-Mike

Hello Mike,

I don't understand your followup.

Two things for comment:

1)

I work for Digital but I have nothing to do with the Alpha-AXP OSF/2 Cdroms
or whatever CD-ROM Digital is publishing. Digital is a company with more
than 80000 employees, you can't blame a single person for everything Digital
does.

You made an assumption that Kermit on the Freeware CD-ROM is there
without permission of Columbia University. I don't know if that is true but
I would like to know where you got this information from. If you are just
guessing I suggest you shut up and first get your facts straight. I saw
that you are harassing SUN employees also, the same applies there. If you
have your facts please inform Digital, SUN or Columbia through propper
chanels, not through posting employees of either companies.

(Usual disclaimers apply, I don't/can't speak for Digital (or SUN).)

2)

I'm trying to suggest a solution to this problem. There are two parties,
Columbia University and the Major Archive sites. Your comment doesn't
contribute in any way to solve this problem, it mearly creates redundant
noice in the group. I suggest that you make a contribution or shut up.


I will not follow up on this or discus this any further, it is off topic
and I'm nog going to speak for either Digital nor SUN, my suggestions were
my own. If you have facts, send them to Columbia, Digital or SUN.

Kind Regards,


Henk.

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            * Sigh *



I kept quiet until now, but ....

As far as I can see, we're in a deadlock situation here. I have the utmost
respect for Timo, Keith, Frank and all the other guys providing the net-
community with fine software and great services.

Since the quarrel about the CD-ROM distribution has been discussed for
quite some time here in the opening and in private between the concerned
parties, I would vote to end it now and here.

Right now nothing seeems to change anyway and if one or the other changes
his/her mind, I believe we all will be notified in this group or the other.

If and how the copyright concept affects the Kermit distribution and/or usage
everywhere remains to be seen, but I grant Frank the right to see it his way
as well as I respect the decisions of Keith and Timo.

It is everybodys right to feel unhappy about this. Anyway, I think we have
heard the respective views and even if we would like to, we (meaning the
bystanders, not the involved parties) cannot change it.

So, please, accept the decisions made and even if you can't accept, don't
post anymore something like "Waahh, I'm unhappy with this" etc.pp.


These are just my very own $.02

Kind regards
+frank
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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
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[e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:

>Well, what about TeX/LaTeX, and the implementations of it that exist?
>With those programs it's the exact same thing--everything is publically
>available, but if you want to know every little thing, you need to
>purchase the TeXbook, LaTeX-A Document Preparation System, and ideally,
>The LaTeX Companion.  Does this mean that you'll be getting rid of the
>DOS version of TeX that exists on SimTel?

1. There are no restriction to distribute those program on CD-ROMs.
   This is the most important part.
2. There are documentations for LaTeX and the like and their distribution
   are not restricted. I've seen Kermit's on-line documentation, but
   now they intentionally pull it out of the distribution.
   In a way, intentionally crippling the electronic distribution
   which is claimed to be free.

...
>Are you complaining about Kermit's documentation becasue there isn't
>any, or because it isn't as comprehensive as the book?

I think he was saying that the Kermit's team intentionally took
the electronic/on-line documentation forcing the people to buy the book.
Both parties have valid aruments.

[Does book sales have *that* large revenue ? Would the book sale
be able to pay the salary of one full-time worker ?
Wow, for sure I am going to write a book]

-- budi
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From: [e-mail] (Dick Wisan)
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It looks to me as if the brouhaha about Kermit on CDROM & SimTel, &c
turns on the question how Kermit is paid for.  If it were shareware,
CDROM would be welcome because exposure is what brings registrations.
If it were a straight commercial program, NO distribution without
charge would be permitted.  If it were fully subsidized, CDROM &c.
would be mostly harmless.  Trying to follow the logic of all these
exchanges, it finally gets through to me, I have no idea how Kermit
is paid for?  I think I have been assuming that Columbia picks up the
tab, though recalling the tuition they use to charge me (many years
ago), I suppose I should have known better.

I got MS Kermit 3.13 free from either SimTel or from SIMTEL20, its US
Government subsidized predecessor.  Should I have paid something?  Who
has to pay for it?  Who does pay for it?  How does keeping it off CDROMs
help?

Frank da Cruz doesn't owe us explanations.  He doesn't have to respond
to anything on this newsgroup unless he feels like it.  The idea of
opening it up unmoderated wasn't to shower him with chores.  The idea
was we could kick around our ideas and problems *without* the Columbia
crew having to put time on it.  We can even complain and try to explain
to each other about Columbia's policies.  On the other hand, if he looks
into the group and sees postings that make him unhappy --well, we didn't
make him look.

Now with all that for preface, making no claim of right to an answer, may
I suggest it might help if someone would explain how the Kermit operation
gets its funds.

--
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[e-mail] (Bill Chinn) writes:

>Hello,

>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to
>Windows/NT?

>If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here
>who would love to beta test it.

>I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support
>for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit.

>Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this
>info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get.
>--Bill

Kermit is built into the Windows NT Terminal.  I've used it to
transfer files from my local university to my home PC with no
troubles.


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From: [e-mail] (Kerry Schwab)
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Subject: Re: CR translation in telnet connection
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>In article <367bso$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
|> In article <[e-mail]>
|> [e-mail] (Andrew Dunstan)  writes:
|> > I am connecting to a DCX Ethergate which has a modem attached, and
|> > then dialling out on the modem. The Ethergate does no CRLF or CR-Nul
|> > translation, so I unfortunately end up sending one of these pairs,
|> > when all I want to send is a plain CR.
|> >
|> The makers of the Ethergate should read RFC854.
|>
|> However, this is becoming such a pervasive problem that the forthcoming
|> releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit will add an option,
|> SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW, to allow carriage returns to be sent
|> bare, with no LF or NUL stuffed after them as required by the TELNET
|> NVT specification (RFC854).
|>
>

To be fair to the terminal server folks, I had the same problem, but it was
because the thing wanted an rlogin connection...(so I spoofed it).

--
Kerry

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
Date: 6 Oct 1994 14:29:58 GMT
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In article <370rss$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi
Rahardjo) writes:
> 2. There are documentations for LaTeX and the like and their distribution
>    are not restricted. I've seen Kermit's on-line documentation, but
>    now they intentionally pull it out of the distribution.
>    In a way, intentionally crippling the electronic distribution
>    which is claimed to be free.
>
This claim has been made repeatedly, but it isn't true.  Kermit has better
online documentation than most other software, and we have never pulled any
of it off our server.  For example, the help file whose first couple lines
were displayed recently is 74K long, and it is accompanied by an "update"
file that is 55K long and a "hints and tips" file that is 134K long.  Most
people get by just fine using these documentation files, and never bother
to consult the printed manuals, as many users have attested.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit for OS/2 and "set send start"
Date: 6 Oct 1994 14:36:05 GMT
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In article <36vti4$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bob Shair) writes:
> I'm attempting to do Kermit file transfer through a particularly
> obstinate controller which has no transparent mode (a RS/6000 runnin HCON).
>
> Following the model on p.136 of Using C-Kermit, I begin by telling my OS/2
> system:
> [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set parity even
> [C:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>set send start 58
> ?Not in ASCII control range - 58
>
This was fixed subsequent to the Alpha version you are using.  Please pick
up the final Beta version from host:

  kermit.columbia.edu

directory:

  kermit/test/bin

binary mode, file:

  cko190.zip

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Funding Kermit
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I hope everybody realizes how absurd this discussion is.

It seems we have reached the level at which everyone finally
understands that the Kermit effort must be funded.  So the
debate now hinges on exactly how that is to be accomplished.
Everyone seems genuinely concerned that we find an effective
funding model.  How about this one:

  PURCHASE THE APPROPRIATE MANUALS

In other words, put up or shut up.  I'm sorry, does that sound
rude?  Look at it this way.  If you agree that everyone who uses
Kermit software should pay her/his fair share, then that includes
you, personally -- each and every one of you.  We already have a
funding model, and we ask you to respect it.  Most of you do not.

If you use Kermit software but you have not respected our wishes
in this regard, then you have no business telling us how
to run our business.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <36s3r9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
>:Timo,
>:    Why must Frank be coerced into changing the practices of Kermit
>:distribution?  Frank is repeating the same position simply because that
>:*is* his position.  He is unnecessarily under fire.

>Telling about realities of life as I see them is not putting someone
>under fire.  Have you seen me make any DEMANDS on Frank during this
>discussion?

When I listen to Frank, I see a man who is a dreamer and a doer.  I've
read everything online that I can find about Kermit, over the past few years.
In everything that Frank has written about Kermit, I have seen *passion*
and *drive*, to make this world a better place through intercommunications.

Through Kermit, Frank has managed to get computers hooked together that,
previously weren't talking to one another.  Implimenting a very simply
protocol, with simple mechanisms, with very sound concepts and ideas, and
the most backward compatability I have *ever* seen in *any* product - it
has never been done before Kermit, and NOTHING of its scope has been done
since.

Kermit is a specialized product, servicing the needs of people who need
to communicate with dissimilar devices, and not the needs of a mass
audience.  I can't picture a sudden *rush* in the use of Kermit, unless
it starts getting distributed in a common medium like CD-ROM.  How will
the new rush of people that you speak of be getting Kermit?

If they're getting it through FTP sites, they will have system
administrators and local gurus to help out.

If they're getting it in their business usage or university, they have
sysadmins and gurus to help out.

Local BBS's too, have their gurus.  (if nothing else, the person who
uploaded the file to the BBS must know *something* about Kermit).

People that buy the software with the book have what they need in their
hands.

But CD-ROM - I'm sorry, but CD-ROMmers are generally lone wolves.  BBS's
have community.  The Internet has community.  Businesses and Universities
have community.


And what does this have to do with my defense of Frank?  He sounds like
an optimist and a dreamer in everything I've seen him write about Kermit,
UNTIL this discussion began.  He started to sound defeated...
depressed... lonely because the fun... the dream and vision vanishes when
under attack.

Frank has his policies, and good sound reason for them.  He's explained
it 100 times here - HE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEFEND HIMSELF.

Thanks for listening.


Ken
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  My recent assertion that Kermit takes its name from the Muppet
has been challenged.

  Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no
explanation of the acronym was given.

  Can we get an official answer from Frank da Cruz?

  Thank you.

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (JOHN M. TROIANO)
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Hi,

        I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3,
5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function
keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application
that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on
these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break"
(ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the
latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it
was written this way?

Thanks in advance!


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From [e-mail] Thu Oct  6 14:42:49 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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>
>I think he was saying that the Kermit's team intentionally took
>the electronic/on-line documentation forcing the people to buy the book.
>Both parties have valid aruments.
>
>[Does book sales have *that* large revenue ? Would the book sale
>be able to pay the salary of one full-time worker ?
>Wow, for sure I am going to write a book]

Budi,

    Why are you treating Frank like a bad guy?  He is one man, with a
small team of developers - NOT some big company.  To top it off, Budi,
you are being sarcastic to him -in front of his face-.  There is nothing
ruder that I can think of.

Outside of trying trash the beauty of Kermit, which exists on hundreds of
vastly diverse computer types, allowing the big and the small to talk...
the great equalizer which does something networks have not done -
something even terminal emulators haven't done.

Sure, Zmodem seems faster.  But try transferring files from your color
computer to your PC.  Or from your TOPS-20 to a DECSERVER.  How about
from an Alpha to a Zenith-100?

Only ONE, truly portable protocol.  Kermit.

Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by
people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"?


Ken
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Hey Frank, how about only supporting people who have purchased the
Kermit manual?

 1) It generates the income you need to support Kermit.
 2) It's reasonable.  Why should you help someone who hasn't bothered
    to help themselves first?

You can serialize new manuals, and ask current manual holders to send
in the manual's copyright page (with an SASE) to be serialized.  Then,
if you get a request for help without a valid serial number, refuse it.

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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
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In article <3714tt$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I hope everybody realizes how absurd this discussion is.

Not at all.  I suppose it is absurd to talk when it is obvious that
the intended target is making a point of not listening but otherwise
it is a decision that affects a lot of people adversely and you should
expect them to react accordingly.

>Everyone seems genuinely concerned that we find an effective
>funding model.  How about this one:
>
>  PURCHASE THE APPROPRIATE MANUALS

How is this different from straight shareware with the manual on
the disk, other than being more difficult for everyone involved?  I think
Russ Nelson was exactly on target when he pointed out that restricting
distribution unfairly puts the burden on the people who can least
afford it and also reduces the number of people who will use the program.

>If you use Kermit software but you have not respected our wishes
>in this regard, then you have no business telling us how
>to run our business.

Come on - what would you say if *any* commercial business made a statement
like that?  Or non-commercial for that matter?  Or even the government?

I appreciate the effort that has gone into maintaining the kermit line.
However, disagreeing with your distribution policy is an unrelated issue.
I have made a bug-fix or two myself and you'll find my name among the
hundreds in the C-kermit listing.  The fixes were trivial (but necessary
for what I wanted to do), but the time to find the problems was not, and
I appreciate not having to repeat the process after each release.  I
have at least three copies of the ms-dos kermit book floating around in
my office that came bundled with some commercial software and if the added
cost helped fund the improvements that is fine with me.  However, it is
not a simple issue: the books are always out of date and thus not much help
with your actual problems, and the software package that included them has
never been popular so you have to wonder if this was in part due to the
extra cost of the book.

I have no particular financial interest one way or another since I have
arranged ftp access (made possible largely by my location...). However
I think the world needs a communication protocol that is freely available
to everyone and if it isn't going to be kermit, perhaps someone will
come up with something else.

I think the issue of free vs. non-free access should revolve around whether
it is appropriate for the files to be on ftp.uu.net.  This site exists
specifically to provide access to the internet for people who are not
directly connected, and they make a profit from providing this access.
They are very good at mirroring files from master locations so there is
no issue of out-of-date copies here.  The files can, of course, also
be ftp'd directly from there at no cost, so there can be no question
about them selling anything other than an alternative access method.  They
also offer the service of putting the entire machine's archives on a tape
for you.  Again, simply an alternative access method.  Plus, they will
ftp something specifically for you if they don't normally archive it.
And, of course, you can coax a third-party ftpmail server to cough up
just about anything through uunet and they'll get the same fee for the
recipient's connect time.

There are some very messy issues here. Is calling kermit "free" a
misrepresentation?  Is a distribution service acting as an agent for
the recipient and thus able to perform any copy that the recipient
could do himself?  Why does it make a difference if this agent makes
a profit or not?  Or if it provides IP connectivity instead of some
other media?  Like it or not, the decisions on these issues are going
to affect the future of kermit usage.  I've often wondered why no one
has bundled an off-line email package along with scripted kermit
communications as an obvious low-budget talk-to-any-host solution.
Now I see that it couldn't be distributed through any media usable
by the people who need such a thing...

Les Mikesell
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From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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>I totally fail to see how the funding of Kermit is diferent from the way
>shareware works. You want people to use the software and buy the manual.
>SO DO WE! But the idea that more people will buy the manuals if fewer
>people have the software completely eludes me.

The point that Frank has made several times in this discussion is not only
the funding of kermit through book sales, but also the load that is put
on the developers to provide support - of all kinds, not only telephone
but also email, and others.  I would turn your stement around a bit; while
it may be true that some more books will be sold because of distribution
on various CD-ROM and other media, that will be totally out of proportion
to the increase in support demands on Columbia from people who get kermit
from these other sources and do *not* buy the book.  So the result will be
a dramatic increase in workload to provide support at Columbia, with a very
small increase in revenue.  In fact, I personally believe that the increase
in revenue would be virtually nil, because I believe that overwhelming
majority of people would never even consider buying or reading the book
when they got the software this way.

>My impression is that people in this group are trying VERY hard to keep
>you from shooting yourself in the foot, and all you see is a profit
>motive.

My impression is that Frank and the development group at Columbia have a
very difficult job to do with extremely limited resources, and they are
trying to keep people from making it a lot more difficult and limiting
the resources even further.  My impression of the people who are involved
in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable;
the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive
and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other"
is completely bogus, in my opinion.  My impression of the rest of those
who have been flaming Frank about this is that they are a typical bunch
of net.people looking for chance to be flame someone.  They say that one
way to feel "bigger" is by standing on someone else.

jw

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Flaherty)
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[e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:

>No.  That's what this whole discussion is about.  You must purchase the
>Kermit book to get the documentation because Columbia withdrew it from
>free distribution several years ago.  This makes it impossible to use
>all of Kermit's features unless you pay US$34.95 for the documentation.

That's a pretty sweeping generalization, and wrong, too.  All of the features
are documented online, and the more sticky issues are discussed in the .BWR
files.  And of course, there's always the source code, which provides better
documentation than some of the shareware that's out there...

The book is really only necessary as a suppliment, or for folks who are totally
new to telecomputing.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike O'Connor)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Henk de Groot) writes:

>>Ahhh...  DEC.  Aren't you the guys that are shipping Kermit on CD-ROM
>>Hey, your stock is rebounding a bit -- you can afford it.
>I don't understand your followup.

Call it a bad attempt at humor.  I'm just glad to see DEC finally
starting to recover, but that's a separate issue entirely.  :-)

>I work for Digital but I have nothing to do with the Alpha-AXP OSF/2 Cdroms
>or whatever CD-ROM Digital is publishing. Digital is a company with more
>than 80000 employees, you can't blame a single person for everything Digital
>does.

No, of course not -- I wasn't trying to make you out to represent anyone
other than yourself.  I was suggesting that this problem goes beyond
Simtel and Garbo, and that some of the offenders are in your back yard.
(Well, at least virtually speaking.)  I'm sorry if my point wasn't as
spelled out as it could have been.  It probably makes more sense in
the context of my other messages.

>You made an assumption that Kermit on the Freeware CD-ROM is there
>without permission of Columbia University. I don't know if that is true but
>I would like to know where you got this information from. If you are just
>guessing I suggest you shut up and first get your facts straight. I saw
>that you are harassing SUN employees also, the same applies there. If you
>have your facts please inform Digital, SUN or Columbia through propper
>chanels, not through posting employees of either companies.

My presumption was based on the fact that Frank had said that there
were no deals made with anyone manufacturing CD-ROMs to distribute
Kermit on them.  Here's the pertinent words from Frank:

 From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
 Date: 30 Sep 1994 13:14:42 GMT
 Message-ID: <36h302$[e-mail]>

 If it is on ANY CDROM, it is there without our permission, as we have never
 yet negotiated a successful agreement with any CDROM distributor.  Read on
 and see why (as if I have explained this seventeen times already).

>(Usual disclaimers apply, I don't/can't speak for Digital (or SUN).)

Of course not -- sorry if it was presented the wrong way.  I just
don't see the sense in asking Keith and Timo to bend, when they're
clearly not the only players involved.

>I'm trying to suggest a solution to this problem. There are two parties,
>Columbia University and the Major Archive sites. Your comment doesn't
>contribute in any way to solve this problem, it mearly creates redundant
>noice in the group. I suggest that you make a contribution or shut up.

There aren't just two parties, and this is going to come up time and time
again.  Next it'll be the FreeBSD CD-ROM people.  Or some other FTP site.
I'm certainly not an attorney, and feel free to correct me if I am full
of it, but if Kermit doesn't protect its copyright, does it lose it?

-Mike


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In article <371450$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (JOHN M. TROIANO) writes:
>Hi,
>
>        I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3,
>5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function
>keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application
>that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on
>these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break"
>(ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the
>latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it
>was written this way?
>
>Thanks in advance!

Dear John,

    I'm not an official anything in regards to Kermit, outside of
official supporter (cheerleading team, so to speak).  From what Frank and
the Kermit team say, the Windows versions of Kermit aren't supported by
the authors or Columbia University.  However, they fully support
MS-Kermit 3.13 (soon 3.14) in a DOS window under Windows.

My suggestion is to (I know it's a pain :-> ) switch to MS-Kermit 3.13,
as it's much more robust in features and is supported and updated by the
Kermit people :-)

(I know little about the Windows Kermit implimentation, so I can't really
comment on it, outside of what Kermit representatives have said :-> )


Ken
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Useful Kermit Stuff.
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Does anyone have any useful Kermit stuff?  Scripts, Macros, add-on utilities
(such as the GOLD.COM that now comes with MS-Kermit), and the like?

Here's something I found out of the archives of the Kermit-Info mailing
list, from 1990-sometime.

================>8 cut here and your monitor will surely blow up 8<==========

[Somebody asked whether or not it was possible to APPEND using MS-Kermit
as you can in other versions.  The response from the Editor was a macro!]


The software that she uses will produce a voice rendition of the document
after she downloads it.

[Ed. - You could define a macro to do it, like this:

define fatal if defined \%1 echo \%1, stop 1

define append,-
  if not defined \%1 fatal {Usage: append filename}
  receive kermit.tmp,-
  if fail stop 1,-
  if exist \%1 run copy \%1+kermit.tmp kermit2.tmp,-
  if not exist \%1 copy kermit.tmp kermit2.tmp,-
  if exist \%1 delete \%1,-
  run rename kermit2.tmp \%1,-
  delete kermit.tmp

Put this macro definition in the user's MSCUSTOM.INI file, and then tell her
to use the command:

APPEND FILENAME.TXT

instead of RECEIVE FILENAME.TXT



Anyone have other neat macros, etc. that they'd like to trade?


Ken
[e-mail]

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I am a new user of PC-Kermit ver 3.11.  I want to know if anybody has a script
file that will make the modem redial?









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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Information display during transfers
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In article <36uibd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Handel) writes:
> I recently started using MS-Kermit 3.13 to connect from my home PC
> (a Dell XPS P60) to my Sun login at my university. The Kermit at
> the Sun end seems to be C-Kermit and the information
> "4D(061) 8 Sep 86, 4.2 BSD" appears when it is summoned up.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^------- long in the tooth, I'd say. But it works!

> I have experienced inconsistencies in the information display during
> file transfer. Sometimes during a transfer the percentage of the
> transfer completed is displayed (sometimes digitally, sometimes in
> a linear graphical fashion), and other times this piece of information
> is not displayed at all. I am not aware of any variations in my
> procedure which would cause these differences. Can anyone explain?
> Are there measures I can take to ensure that the percent completed
> information is always displayed?
---------
    To show the MSK therometer or the digital % done an MSK receiver
has to know the file size being sent. File size and time/date information
and character set (text) and so on are conveyed in Kermit file attributes
packets at the start of each file. Not all Kermits support attributes
packets, and hence that info may be missing. The CKermit of 1986 vintage
did not have them, nor did the MSK of that vintage. They do today.
    A file transmitter has this information, locally, and can show
the visual teasers.
    May I warmly recommend upgrading your C Kermit to the current,
the current beta as a matter of fact, as discussed on this list. Attributes
packets are present.
    Joe D

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:
> [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
>>Sorry, but I haven't seen *anyone* suggest a different funding model here.
>
> Ok, here it is.  I already sent this to Frank and he rejected it.
>
> Change the status of Kermit to ShareWare, with voluntary payment for
> individuals and required payment for commercial and school use (i.e.,
> a site license).  If Columbia charged $300 for a site license, even if
> there were only 1,000 customers, the income produced would be $300,000
> per year.
    <part omitted>
> Keith Petersen
> General Manager of SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm)
> Internet: [e-mail]    or      [e-mail]
> Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz                     BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND
------------
Keith,
    Even though you and I have worked together in small ways for years
I have to say this bluntly. Readers are warned this message contains
language material not suitable for children.
    I write MS-DOS Kermit. Just so readers know who's who in this
discussion. I put a tremendous effort, and my neck, into this project.
I have a say in what goes on here.
     We discussed the above topic at length privately with you, it was
discussed on the list in public, and the suggestion was declined for good
reasons.
    Yet today you first cast stones on decent publications, I will presume
only the naive will fall for that one, and then you try to raise a hew and cry
in public. I regard both actions as deliberately destructive. I expected
better of you.
     We appreciate and want suggestions and intelligent discussion; this
list has had many fine examples of both. Your messages today are neither. You
will not pressure me and other volunteers on how to sell our own time and
effort. You will not slander our work.
    Do you read me Mr. Petersen?

    My appologies to the other readers for having to speak this way in
public.
        Despite what some of the people out there may think, Frank and I and
the many other Kermit volunteers hear what you are saying, and we are trying
hard to continue a large successful project lasting many years and affecting
very large numbers of people.
    I will now go back to work so the Z-100 version of MSK 3.14 will
be ready for beta testing asap.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: How to catch SHIFT-ESC in kermit
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Henk de Groot) writes:
> Hello Kermit users,
>
> I have a problem. Our kermit version is MS-Kermit 3.13 with a patch file with
> 21 patches in it.
>
> We have to build an application that has to responds to the key combination
> SHIFT-ESC. In the key-table you can catch many key combinations but I am
> unable to map SHIFT-ESC to something different than ESC alone so I can't
> make a distinction between ESC with or without SHIFT.
>
> Is there a way to make it work? It is no problem to do this with other
> keys (like function keys), only ESC seems to behave differently. I can
> calculate what keycode SHIFT-ESC should have (scancode 1 + 256 + 512 = 769)
> but
>
>     set key \852 hello
>
> works for SHIFT+F1 (outputs hello) but
>
>     set key \769 hello
>
> doesn't work for SHIFT+ESC!
>
> When redefining the ESC key itself by
>
>     set key \27 hello
>
> also SHIFT+ESC outputs hello! (B.T.W. "set key \257 hello" doesn't work
> either, so we can not make a distinction between ESC and Ctrl-[ too, but
> that's not a problem for us at this moment).
>
> Any suggestions to solve this problem are welcome (We also tried the product
> KEATerm under Windows and that one will do it correctly; we need something
> running under DOS however!)
---------
Henk,
    I added that this morning to MSK v3.14 beta. <Alt, Shift, Control> Esc
are now distinguishable.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Undocumented kermit server commands?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I've looked in "Kermit, A file transfer protocol" but I cannot find
> docuemntation of what the "REMOTE SET" command sends to the server.
>
> It appears to send a kermit generic command (packet type "G") with a
> command "S".
>
> I have assumed that this is equivlent to a command "V", subcommand
> "S". Am I right?
>
> Is there a table anywhere that list the standard variable names
> (numbers?).
>
> I would go look in the source myself but I read somewhere that
> because I'm incorporating support for kermit protocols into another
> program I'm not allowed to even *look at* the sources!
----------
    I see no problem using the sources to decipher the protocol, but
of course the particular implementation sources remain copyright. It's up
to you to play the game properly.
    Common sense suggests reading the spec updates, as Frank indicated,
and then running against Columbia Kermits for verification tests. The LOG
PACKET facility in Columbia Kermits shows packets going in both directions
for a little reverse engineering information if that's needed. The specs
are open to everyone, free of charge.
        Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
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In article <3699u3$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

>
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Keith Petersen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia
>>University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit.
>
>Does this mean that it is time for someone else to start work on
>a file transfer program that *can* be distributed freely?
>
>Les Mikesell
>  [e-mail]

    Isn't that a contradiction in terms? a program that is supposed to be
 _FREE_ yet was being put in a package that was sold for a _profit_.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <36jr4b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Center / NT) writes:
> One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with
> NDIS compliant ethernet adapters.
>
> Where can I find this?
>
> Joel    [e-mail]
------------
    We will be distributing a copy with MSK v3.14. Home base for the
file is my place, netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Windows Kermit question
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In article <371450$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (JOHN M. TROIANO) writes:
> Hi,
>
>         I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3,
> 5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function
> keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application
> that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on
> these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break"
> (ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the
> latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it
> was written this way?
----------
    The program was written more as a demonstration for Windows workers
than as a mainline production tool. It was a subset of mainline Kermits when
it was written. It has not been updated and lacks support. Given these factors
and its vintage we recommend that you use MS-DOS Kermit in Windows (it works
well there, by design). When and if we acquire sufficient funding and people
to create a pure Windows Kermit then it will be uptodate and full, but we
don't have either at the moment.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: "No Manual, No Support"
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Russell Nelson) writes:
> Hey Frank, how about only supporting people who have purchased the
> Kermit manual?
>
>  1) It generates the income you need to support Kermit.
>  2) It's reasonable.  Why should you help someone who hasn't bothered
>     to help themselves first?
>
> You can serialize new manuals, and ask current manual holders to send
> in the manual's copyright page (with an SASE) to be serialized.  Then,
> if you get a request for help without a valid serial number, refuse it.
--------
    That may be your way of dealing with people, but it's not mine
nor that of the other Kermit project members.
    What am I supposed to do if a person askes me a Kermit question,
as they do all day every day? Say "I don't exist, please visit a book store?"
Sure, right. How about asking a Kermit question of anyone at all remotely
associated with the project (and there are a great many such people)? Oh, I
forgot, they don't exist either. Maybe, just perhaps, the "project" includes
folks who just make suggestions or interesting critisisms in an arena such as
this, and we include parts in the programs. Hmmm.
    On the other hand, maybe our intention is to actually help people,
through the programs and giving moderate assistance about the programs to the
limits of our resources. We're obviously not out to become millionaires,
so there must be other reasons, such as the preceeding sentence, which cause
us to keep at this day after day, year after year. Hmmm, again.
    As others have said recently, the fun is over, all views have been
expressed multiple times, intelligent people have thought about them and
voiced opinions, good ideas have been filed away for further reflection and
consideration by all concerned (and we do have some good ones), the decisions
have been made (some years ago, interestingly). Please let the topic fade away.
    Thanks,
        Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
>Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by
>people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"?

I hope not.  Were I Frank, I'd be sorely tempted to pull a John Galt.

The matter's been rehashed until the particles are about to tobacco mosaic
virus size :-); I agree with those who have urged dropping the matter.

(I *do* kind of wish there were a hardcover ring-bound edition of
*Using C Kermit*.  My softcover copy's cover tends to settle in a semi-
open state, and the open book doesn't lie flat.)

    James Jones

Opinions herein are those of their respective authors, and not necessarily
those of any organization.




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From: [e-mail] (Mariusz Zydyk)
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It seems that all my Kermit problems would be solved by a
manual. How do I get a copy of it?

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Keith Petersen ([e-mail]) wrote:

>SimTel's policy is that programs submitted to the collection MUST
>include documentation.  If MS-Kermit were submitted today it would be
>rejected because it does not include documentation.

    Um, I wouldn't go that far, Keith, to say that MS-Kermit doesn't
    include documentation.  I'm no computer professional by any stretch
    of anyone's imagination, and was relatively new to computer
    communications, but I was able to set Kermit up on my system (I
    started with v.3.12), remap my keyboard for 3270 functions (to
    communicate with an IBM 370 through a 7171), optimize file
    transfers (including control char unprefixing when I got my Unix
    account), and figure out the script programming language well
    enough to write my own login scripts, all from the help files
    included with Columbia's MS-Kermit distribution.  I don't know
    whether or not the documentation that comes with the distribution
    is to be considered "complete," but I've ftp'd packages from SimTel
    and other ftp sites that weren't as well documented as MS-Kermit.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: Need kermit script for redial and idol protection...
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In article <36uj2q$[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Altman ([e-mail]) wrote:

>In article <36u3k7$[e-mail]>,
>Ruei-wun  Tu <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Hello,
>>     Does anyone have kermit script for Redial function?  I also try to
>>     write a script which can send a "SPACE" and "BACKSPACE" when the
>>     line is idol.  I am trying this because everytime I try to get a
>>     larger file from some FTP site to my remote account at home, my line
>>     will be cut off while I was waiting over 5 minutes without pressing
>>     any key on my keyboard.
>>
>>     Please E-mail me your responses.  Thank you in advance...
>>
>>     Rueiwun Tu

>C-Kermit 5a(190) comes with a REDIAL macro.

    MS-Kermit also comes with dialer scripts; I suspect this person is
    concerned about having the script on a PC to automate dial-up
    connections to his/her Unix account.

>As far as idle states, and disconnects during large ftp's.  I would suggest
>using the HASH mode for ftp's.  This will generate a # mark for every X
>bytes transfered.  This might prevent the disconnection, unless the daemon
>only monitors incoming characters.

    Probably it does.  Besides, activating a script in Kermit means
    leaving terminal emulation mode, which is probably not a good idea
    while you're in the middle of an ftp session.  You're better off to
    just hit the space bar.  Or better yet, get batchftp for your Unix
    account, which will run your ftp sessions in the background for
    you, while you're reading news or doing something else more
    interesting.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
Subject: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)?
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I've read the comparison by Frank da Cruz that gives benchmarks of ckermit vs.
other file transfer protocols. That comparison shows that ckermit can do about
1600 cps over a 14.4kbps modem for compressed files, which is just as good as
Zmodem.

For some reason, I can't get more than 1250cps with compressed files using
kermit; however, running an external zmodem protocol from within kermit, I can
get 1600cps.  I'm using 5A(189) for OS/2 on one end and 5A(190) for the
HP-9000 on the otther. I've tried large packets, multiple windows, large
buffers. I've got rts/cts flow control set on the OS/2 end, but I'm not sure
what flow control is the best for the HP end. I've noticed that the packet
length rarely gets above 2000 during transfers, and that I rarely use more
than one window.

Any ideas?

Thanks.


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From: [e-mail] (Tomas Olovsson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT
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In article <nicks.781450918@ariel>, [e-mail] (Nick Smith) writes:
|> [e-mail] (Bill Chinn) writes:
|>
|> >Hello,
|>
|> >I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to
|> >Windows/NT?
|>
|> >If anyone is working on an NT port, I know some people here
|> >who would love to beta test it.
|>
|> >I'm also wondering if anyone is planning on adding support
|> >for the new Microsoft TCP/IP stack into Kermit.
|>
|> >Thanks for any info and if anyone else is interested in this
|> >info I'll post a summary of whatever info I get.
|> >--Bill
|>
|> Kermit is built into the Windows NT Terminal.  I've used it to
|> transfer files from my local university to my home PC with no
|> troubles.

I've tried this a couple of times too, but the throughput seems to be
about 25% of what you get when using MS-DOS kermit under NT!!

I have a ZyXEL modem, which connects at 19200 baud. It uses a
57600 baud serial line (with a 16550 uart) and the throughput
with Kermit is normally just above 2kByte/sec.

Actually, 25% might be to give too much credit to the terminal program.
Look at your modem lights and you will find that the modem is idle most
of the time (or am I the only person who experience this???) Also, the
Terminal program is almost useless even as a terminal emulator. I normally
connect to a Unix host and the scrolling "feature" in the terminal always
gets confused when ANSI escape sequences for cursor motion arrives...
But Kermit handles this fine.

  -- Tomas

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From [e-mail] Fri Oct  7 10:17:47 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Alan J Holmes)
Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Russell Nelson) writes:
>In article <36ml93$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>   If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to
>   spend one red cent.  If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you
>   advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us
>   money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw.  That would
>   include the universities, government agencies, research institute,
>   hospitals, convents, and orphanages.

>   Why don't we give it rest, eh?  Thanks.

>Because the Kermit copyright is limiting (intentionally or not) the
>distribution of Kermit.  If you want universities, government
>agencies, research institutes, hospitals, convents, and orphanages to
>be able to use Kermit, you have to make sure that they can get it.

Perhaps I have missed something, I was under the
impression that distribution was already free to this
list and indeed anyone who has access to the email
system.

Regards

Alan Holmes


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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:

:>I think he was saying that the Kermit's team intentionally took
:>the electronic/on-line documentation forcing the people to buy the book.
:>Both parties have valid aruments.
:>
:>[Does book sales have *that* large revenue ? Would the book sale
:>be able to pay the salary of one full-time worker ?
:>Wow, for sure I am going to write a book]

:Budi,

:Why are you treating Frank like a bad guy?  He is one man, with a
:small team of developers - NOT some big company.  To top it off, Budi,
:you are being sarcastic to him -in front of his face-.  There is nothing
:ruder that I can think of.

Am I treating him like a bad guy ? Not at all. He has my respect.
I am being frank (no pun intended :-) and don't want to beat around the bush.
We can have different opinions but still respect each other.

...
:Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by
:people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"?

You are not the only one.
I also see kermit as a beautiful thing. On top of that, their
MS-Kermit has ***THE BEST*** vt100 emulation I have ever tried.
Nobody (including commercial programs that I have bought) beats them.

there ... so you know my position.


-- budi
--
Budi Rahardjo <[e-mail]>
#include <std-disclaimer.h>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: What's the secret (to fast file transfer)?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
writes:
> For some reason, I can't get more than 1250cps with compressed files
> using kermit; however, running an external zmodem protocol from within
> kermit, I can get 1600cps.  I'm using 5A(189) for OS/2 on one end and
> 5A(190) for the HP-9000 on the otther. I've tried large packets,
> multiple windows, large buffers. I've got rts/cts flow control set on
> the OS/2 end, but I'm not sure what flow control is the best for the HP
> end. I've noticed that the packet length rarely gets above 2000 during
> transfers, and that I rarely use more than one window.
>
As long as flow control is effective everywhere -- and it probably is
because Zmodem gets 1600cps on the same connection, you can squeeze the
additional 20-26% performance out of the connection by telling Kermit not
to prefix most control characters, since by default (for safety) it
prefixes all of them.  You can read about this in the ckcker.upd file that
comes with C-Kermit 5A(189) or 5A(190).  You can also increase your
packet size up to 9024, but, oddly enough, there is not always a direct
linear relationship between packet length and performance.  Each
connection has its own unique combination of packet length and window size.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Documentation
Date: 7 Oct 1994 12:26:19 GMT
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In article <371trl$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Mariusz Zydyk) writes:
> It seems that all my Kermit problems would be solved by a
> manual. How do I get a copy of it?
>
The manuals are all that most people ever need.  When you have problems
that are not covered in the documentation, there are the supplemental
online files covering the minutiae of particular problems.  When that
doesn't help, that's what we are here for.  The most efficient use of
everybody's time is ensured by this approach.  First look in the manual.
If you don't find it there, look in the online help, hints-and-tips,
and update files.  If you still need help, contact us.  Here is our
current list of publications:

                           KERMIT BOOK LIST

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MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and
compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in:

    Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
    IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.  In computer
    and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from
    Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette,
    including German- language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W.
    Selke.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.

And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme
    edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.
    Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2,
    and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean
    Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.

There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the
NEC PC9801:

    Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today
    Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages.
    ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E.

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C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2,
AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is
documented in:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-108-0.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und
    Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).  ISBN
    3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.

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The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book,
which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data
communications, and using Kermit:

    Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press /
    Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN
    0-932376-88-6.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

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Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating
systems is available from Columbia University.  Contact Columbia for a
free Kermit software catalog.


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                                 HOW TO ORDER

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ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

   1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher,
      Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or
      American Express:

          [phone]     (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada)
          [phone]       (Rushden, England office for Europe)
          [phone]     (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ)
          [phone]        (Singapore office for Asia)

   2. From Columbia University:

          Kermit Development and Distribution
          Columbia University Academic Information Systems
          612 West 115th Street
          New York, NY  10025  USA
          Tel.  [phone]
          Fax.  [phone]
          E-Mail: [e-mail]

      Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Add $5 US for shipping
      outside of North America.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
      Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for
      checks not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not
      include sales tax.  Quantity discounts are available.
      Single-copy US prices (in US dollars):

          Using MS-DOS Kermit  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95
          All three  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95

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GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

        MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00
        C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00

        Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG
        Helstorfer Strasse 7
        D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY
        Tel.  [phone]
        Fax.  [phone]

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FRENCH:  Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi:  . . . . . . . . . . .  FF 495,00

        Heinz Schiefer & Cie.
        45 rue Henri de Regnier
        F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE
        Tel.  [phone]
        Fax.  [phone]

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JAPANESE:  MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  1,800 Y

        Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd.
        Abe-toku Building
        2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku
        Tokyo 101, JAPAN
        Tel.  [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
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>Look again.  MS-Kermit is written and maintained by Joe Doupnik, not Frank.

Well, *that* is certainly a pertinent piece of information in this discussion.
When all else fails, I suppose the best thing to do is just obfuscate.

>You seem to think that this is some sort of effort to get Columbia to
>agree to allow MS-Kermit to be put back on SimTel.  That is NOT the
>case.  SimTel's policy is that programs submitted to the collection MUST
>include documentation.  If MS-Kermit were submitted today it would be
>rejected because it does not include documentation.

Perhaps I have not been reading the postings in this "discussion" closely
enough.  But I certainly don't recall this having been mentioned before;
in fact, what I recall was that you announced that kermit had been removed
from SimTel without explaining why, simply saying "contact fdc for an
explanation".  The very strong implication in that posting, and all of the
ensuing "discussion", was that it was the dastardly policies of Columbia
that had caused it to be removed.  When all else fails, obfuscate.

jw

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From: [e-mail] (David Quattlebaum)
Subject: reading the screen in kermit
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Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain
row,col location? I use this ability in procomm plus, but can't find a
way to duplicate this feature in MSK 3.13.

When writing certain scripts, it is nice to check the top of the
screen for a screen id. This id might match something else on the
screen so the "INPUT" command might not work.

Am I missing something already in 3.14?

Thanks.

--

R. David Quattlebaum           SAS Institute Inc.
[e-mail]             SAS Campus Drive, R4138
[phone] x6284            Cary, NC 27513-2414



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From: [e-mail] (Erik Troan)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
Date: 7 Oct 1994 14:28:55 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Henk de Groot <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is it possible to set up a special directory tree for those programs that
>are of great value (like Kermit) but are not allowed to go on a CD-ROM.
>This directory is not meant for every other program, authors must still
>be pushed to allow their programs on CD-ROM, but it would solve difficult
>situations like this one (an author that will not give-in and a product that
>is too valuable to looze). During the generation of the CD-ROM this
>directory can be skipped so that the programs will not appear on CD-ROM.

Do you realize how many anonymous ftp sites there are on internet?
Do you understand how many of those carry kermit?
Do you know how easy it is to find kermit on internet (try archie)?

Why are people complainging so much that it was removed from two ftp sites.
Plenty of major ftp sites still carry it and it's not hard to get. Columbia
has *no* plands on removing it from ftp, they just feel that they have the
right to control further distribution so they don't drown in the flood
of support requests that would ovvur from a large increase in users.

Get kermit, use kermit, and stop worrying that you won't be able to find it.
The net doesn't revolve around simtel and garbo.

Erik
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From: [e-mail] (Sigurd Andersen)
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Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit
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In article <[e-mail]>,
David Quattlebaum <[e-mail]> wrote:

: Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain
: row,col location?  ...
:
: Thanks.
:
: R. David Quattlebaum           SAS Institute Inc.  ...
:

I have a quasi-related item on my "wish list" -- an option to
display the current line and character position of the cursor
in the status area on the bottom line of the screen.  As that
line is now rather crowded, perhaps one would need to be able
to choose what items to display, and where?  Of course, this
should be done without making Kermit any larger or slower ;*)

--
Sigurd Andersen    Internet: [e-mail]   User Services
     __o            or  [e-mail]   023 Smith Hall
   _ \<,_                                              Univ. of Delaware
  (_)/ (_)         Ph: [phone]  Fax: [phone]   Newark, DE. 19716

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <36jr4b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Center / NT) writes:
>> One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with
>> NDIS compliant ethernet adapters.
>>
>> Where can I find this?
>>
>> Joel    [e-mail]
>------------
>    We will be distributing a copy with MSK v3.14. Home base for the
>file is my place, netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers.
>    Joe D.


While I wouldn't advise flooding Joe's FTP site, there is a lot of
interesting things there (including MS-Kermit 3.13 sources, as someone
was asking about earlier).  A lot of is is available at
kermit.columbia.edu, but Joe's FTP site is a little more streamlined for
what he needs (after all - wouldn't the guy that writes MS-Kermit only
really need MS-Kermit?  :-) )

Ken


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals
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> = James Jones

>(I *do* kind of wish there were a hardcover ring-bound edition of
>*Using C Kermit*.  My softcover copy's cover tends to settle in a semi-
>open state, and the open book doesn't lie flat.)

Now *that's* a good idea!  I haven't send my money order in for MS-Kermit
manual yet, but I will within the next few days.

I *love* the hard cover ringbound manuals - they're hard to find.


         --------------------------------------------
    **** Hey Frank, Joe and others on the Kermit team ****
         ____________________________________________

Whaddaya think about offering a ringbound version of the Kermit manuals
(MS-Kermit and C-Kermit - don't know much about the manuals for CPM and
such) for $10 more each?

Maybe for the *next* MS-Kermit and C-Kermit book, perhaps, if not this one.


I'd be willing to pay $60 for the ringbound edition, if the paperbound
edition that I'm ordering is as good as I expect and have heard!  :-)

Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and
print a nice binder?  *Then* you could offer updates to the manual, when
new revisions come out, and before the next Kermit book was written!

I fully expect Kermit to be around for a long long time to come.  It's so
darned simple (as a protocol), and yet does so much!


Ken


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Quattlebaum) writes:
> Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain
> row,col location? I use this ability in procomm plus, but can't find a
> way to duplicate this feature in MSK 3.13.
>
> When writing certain scripts, it is nice to check the top of the
> screen for a screen id. This id might match something else on the
> screen so the "INPUT" command might not work.
>
> Am I missing something already in 3.14?
---------
    Connect mode is a mode, unrelated to things we can say at the
Kermit prompt. Script commands run at the Kermit prompt and not in
Connect mode. They are indeed modes, much different beasts in the code.
    Many comms programs sit in terminal emulation mode all the
time, and overlay file transfer screens. MS-DOS Kermit is not designed
that way.
    Thus, your scripts can check for a character string, but not for
a formatted screen characteristic.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <373nbp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Sigurd Andersen) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> David Quattlebaum <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> : Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain
> : row,col location?  ...
> :
> : Thanks.
> :
> : R. David Quattlebaum           SAS Institute Inc.  ...
> :
>
> I have a quasi-related item on my "wish list" -- an option to
> display the current line and character position of the cursor
> in the status area on the bottom line of the screen.  As that
> line is now rather crowded, perhaps one would need to be able
> to choose what items to display, and where?  Of course, this
> should be done without making Kermit any larger or slower ;*)
>
> --
> Sigurd Andersen    Internet: [e-mail]   User Services
>      __o            or  [e-mail]   023 Smith Hall
>    _ \<,_                                              Univ. of Delaware
>   (_)/ (_)         Ph: [phone]  Fax: [phone]   Newark, DE. 19716
-----------
    Displaying the cursor position on the status line would be a
performance killer. It's a decorative item, a la say WordPerfect. The
Connect mode status line is not designed to be a set of movable objects
so there is no user-editing of which components or where they go. Also
the host has control of that line if it wishes. Any of these items would
indeed cause program size increase and manual size increase, and generate
even more comments about "too many things which can be set/shown/tinkered
with."
    But thanks for the suggestions. Maybe a Windows version would have
such features.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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    Speaking for myself here. Reviewing the past ten days of intense
discussion on this list has left a very positive impression on me. To
outsiders the discussion seems like a full powered attack on Kermits
and the Kermit Project policies. I see it differently. Over 90% of the
messages are from very thoughtful people trying to sort out choices and
alternatives, with the aim of improving matters. Not all messages are this
way but the vast majority are. The insight and tenor of most messages is
professional and experienced. I am impressed and, after time to recover good
humor, pleased. I've learned things even if I don't agree with all points.
    Most of us realize that while Kermit programs and policies are the
focus of discussion the real targets are the far more numerous programs and
authors and distribution companies. The element of dramatically increasing
scales of use and distribution make the problem very difficult to quantify
and solve. Providing help to that vast user population, under circumstances
of very tight financial and personnel resources, is the most difficult part,
whether programs be commercial or free. The problem of copyright adherence is
emphasized. These issues will be faced by many people and companies, and our
discussion should be of distinct benefit when their turn comes.
    Thus let me take this small breathing space to express my appreciation
to the many contributors for their time and effort to help all of us understand
the situation, and maybe even find longer term solutions.
    Joe D.

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Sometimes I wish I had a mailing list program on my sysadmin's host.

I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely
ADORE Kermit!  That's the biggest problem with newsgroups.  Complainers
pop in, pop out, without a hint of responsibility for what they say.

KERMIT-LVRS :->  Quite tempting, in fact!  Too much negativity around
sometimes - it's great to get away from it when I can :-)

Ken
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
:the resources even further.  My impression of the people who are involved
:in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable;
:the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive
:and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other"
:is completely bogus, in my opinion.  My impression of the rest of those

Rubbish.  But since you imagine to know so well please advice how
does one set up a publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will
not be automatically mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the
complicated arrangements with the CDROM producers.  Please also
advice where do I find the additional time an motivation needed.

Develop a product of your own, and you'll see the Columbia's side of
things.

Maintain an FTP site and you'll see SimTel's and Garbo's side of
things.

I happen to have done both.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: NDIS Driver for Kermit
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>In article <36jr4b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Center / NT) writes:
>>> One article mentions the dis_pkt9 shim to use Kermit with
>>> NDIS compliant ethernet adapters.
>>>
>>> Where can I find this?
>>>
>>> Joel    [e-mail]
>>------------
>>    We will be distributing a copy with MSK v3.14. Home base for the
>>file is my place, netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers.
>>    Joe D.
>
>
> While I wouldn't advise flooding Joe's FTP site, there is a lot of
> interesting things there (including MS-Kermit 3.13 sources, as someone
> was asking about earlier).  A lot of is is available at
> kermit.columbia.edu, but Joe's FTP site is a little more streamlined for
> what he needs (after all - wouldn't the guy that writes MS-Kermit only
> really need MS-Kermit?  :-) )
-------------
    My ftp servers are designed and built to take the load. They also
service a goodly chunk of the NetWare community and I doubt that you guys
will make much of a dent in the traffic stats. Feel free to raid and plunder.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
:the resources even further.  My impression of the people who are involved
:in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable;
:the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive
:and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other"
:is completely bogus, in my opinion.  My impression of the rest of those

Since you seem to know so well please advice how does one set up a
publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically
mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements
with the CDROM producers.  Please also advice where do I find the
additional time an motivation needed for something which I do much
of my spare time.

Develop a product and its support of your own, and you'll see the
Columbia's side of things.

Maintain a well-organized and responsible FTP site and you'll see
SimTel's and Garbo's side of things.

I happen to have done both so don't you "completely bogus" me
mister.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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From: [e-mail] (Tom Horsley)
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>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to
>Windows/NT?

I am vaugely sort of fooling around with porting the OS/2 kermit to native
Windows NT, but it is by no means an official "kermit porter" project, nor
do I anticipate being finished anytime soon (though if I do happen to get it
working, I will certainly look into feeding the source back to the folks
at columbia, but we are probably talking months or years here if at all :-).
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From: [e-mail] (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright
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In article <36uibk$[e-mail]>,
    Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I think everybody would like to see Kermit on CDROMs.  The
>question is -- and nobody has yet answered it -- how do we do that without
>killing the Kermit effort?  I'm not asking any of you to answer this
>question: I don't think you can, unless you step forward with an endowment
>that lets us carry on our work indefinitely in such a way that no funds
>need to be raised, and everybody's needs are met.  As long as we must pay
>or our own work, then it is up to us to decide how to do it.

Maybe, then, I'm misreading what "the Kermit effort" entails.

As a purely developmental effort, the nature of Kermit's distribution
should be of no concern. What has surprised me in this thread is
the revelation that Columbia actually offers help-desk-style support for
Kermit. This, frankly, amazes me.

I don't understand why "support" need be any more than a part-time task
perusing the Internet and/or a BBS-type system (whose number is built
into the default Kermit dialing directory :-). That person would
accept bug fixes and reply to other questions with a polite RTFM.

This might have the added effect of giving people more reason to buy
the book(s).

I would suggest that anything more than minimal Kermit support by
Columbia is a waste of funds. The software is mature enough that
user-driven support (such as this newsgroup!) will suffice for most
questions, just as it does for current users of GNU and Linux software.
Your effort, Frank, in creating an unmoderated Kermit group, should
significantly reduce the load on Columbia directly. Postings to the
formerly-moderated group that once had to be dealt with by your team
can now be dealt with by that big blob of Usenet.

People want support beyond that? Buy the books.

People want handholding beyond that? Allow third party efforts to
support Kermit to those who are willing to pay. Maybe less revenue
for Columbia, but far fewer headaches as well.

I'm not directly affected by the CD prohibition, but I see why a
seemingly insignificant issue like discrimination based on distribution
media would get under people's skin. It seems so arbitrary.

I like the idea of a Columbia-produced CD as was suggested elsewhere.
Its capacity would allow you to put just about every known architecture
implementation of Kermit on a single CD-ROM, which might solve a number
of problems. But let's take the idea further...

How about this? Consolidate all the current English-language
documentation into a single volume, and bundle in this book a
CD-ROM with all current Kermit implementations (as well as electronic
versions of the docs). Offer it for distribution through *software*
channels, not book channels (ie, Merisel rather than Waldenbooks).

Priced reasonably, it would sell alongside all of the other CD-ROM
releases in computer stores; and it would sell well, even with users
knowing they could get the stuff free from elsewhere.

Look at the boom in sales of CD-ROMs which only contain shareware
and freeware; people know they can get the stuff free, but are willing
to pay for convenience, virus-free media, and documentation.

From a publishing level, I'm sure the folks at O'Reilly and Prime Time
Software would be able to help you with such a CD/book project if
Digital Press won't. Note that because it's a book, the current
publication isn't on display in software areas; software and books
are currently sold in very different ways. Sold as a software CD-ROM,
as software rather than a book, I suggest sales would go up dramatically.

I've been lurking on this discussion for a while, waiting for someone
else to suggest this. To me it seems  almost obvious. What am I missing?

--
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows/NT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to
>>Windows/NT?
>
>I am vaugely sort of fooling around with porting the OS/2 kermit to native
>Windows NT, but it is by no means an official "kermit porter" project, nor
>do I anticipate being finished anytime soon (though if I do happen to get it
>working, I will certainly look into feeding the source back to the folks
>at columbia, but we are probably talking months or years here if at all :-).
>--

Tom, maybe this is something that I'm confused about but... I thought
that you would take the original C-Kermit code and simply compile it
under Windows-NT.  Well, make changes for the file system and for the
port assignments... but shouldn't it mostly take care of itself?

Or am I thinking too wishfully about the "portableness" of C code?  :->

(I really no little about C beyond "Hello, world!")

Ken
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
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Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jamie Watson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>The GNU project doesn't
>>CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely
>
>Oh, really?  Are you sure about this?  I've seen several statements, from
>several different people in the FSF, saying "If you are going to buy the
>distribution on tape {or whatever}, please buy it from us and not from
>others, because the money from this is important funding for us".  Sounds
>like a very similar situation to me.

But this is different -- it is a plea to the purchasers to help support
ongoing development.  It is not a demand.  If one finds a distribution
with desirable value-added and one still wants to support the Gnu project
then one can just send a monetary donation to the FSF.

But in a sense you're right: the do _care_, but they don't control (and
explicitly avoid controlling) distribution.

        --Ken Pizzini

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>    Displaying the cursor position on the status line would be a
>performance killer. It's a decorative item, a la say WordPerfect. The
>Connect mode status line is not designed to be a set of movable objects
>so there is no user-editing of which components or where they go. Also
>the host has control of that line if it wishes. Any of these items would
>indeed cause program size increase and manual size increase, and generate
>even more comments about "too many things which can be set/shown/tinkered
>with."
>    But thanks for the suggestions. Maybe a Windows version would have
>such features.
>    Joe D.

There is another option.  While displaying the cursor position isn't
practical, I know some people have asked about cut-and-paste functions.

Personally, I just scrollback to the part I want to remember, and while
I'm sitting at the screen, type the command/filename/whatever while on
that screen, using the first time it said it as a visual reminder.

But there are programs that cut/paste sections of a screen.  One I
believe came with Qmodem 4.0 a few years ago.  It was very small, but it
did work.  There is also (in my archives but I'm not likely to be able to
find it for a while!) a program running around that allows you to use the
mouse to cut/paste text info. from an MS-DOS screen.

While positioning the cursor over the text, press the left button to
highlight.  To stop highlighting, let go of the button.  Then you click
on the right mouse button to paste it.

I'll keep my eyes peeled for it.  There are some folks that would
probably find that a useful item in Kermit :-)

Ken
[e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tom Horsley) writes:
>>I was wondering if anyone is working on porting Kermit to
>>Windows/NT?
>
> I am vaugely sort of fooling around with porting the OS/2 kermit to native
> Windows NT, but it is by no means an official "kermit porter" project, nor
> do I anticipate being finished anytime soon (though if I do happen to get it
> working, I will certainly look into feeding the source back to the folks
> at columbia, but we are probably talking months or years here if at all :-).
> --
Tom,
    People such as yourself should contact Frank da Cruz at Columbia,
[e-mail], about your plans so there is minimal expenditure
of effort and that matters can stay coordinated.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
>
> Sometimes I wish I had a mailing list program on my sysadmin's host.
>
> I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely
> ADORE Kermit!  That's the biggest problem with newsgroups.  Complainers
> pop in, pop out, without a hint of responsibility for what they say.
>
> KERMIT-LVRS :->  Quite tempting, in fact!  Too much negativity around
> sometimes - it's great to get away from it when I can :-)
>

Yeah, and you'd have to put up with lots of people joining, thinking it's
a Muppets fan list.

Terrif :)

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <37489a$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
> :the resources even further.  My impression of the people who are involved
> :in the CD-ROM distribution is that they are being totally unreasonable;
> :the statement "I don't have the time or interest to arrange my archive
> :and/or CD-ROM distribution to include kermit on one but not the other"
> :is completely bogus, in my opinion.  My impression of the rest of those
>
> Since you seem to know so well please advice how does one set up a
> publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically
> mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements
> with the CDROM producers.  Please also advice where do I find the
> additional time an motivation needed for something which I do much
> of my spare time.
    I think part of this came out wrong. It's not mirroring per se
which we are discussing, but rather what's sold to the CDROM vendors
for pressing. I understand mirroring issues since I run a fair sized
one myself (official Novell mirror) and I too have to pick and choose
which subdirectories are to be exposed and which not.
    From my own experience in the ftp business I have classes of
directories where items are treated differently (got to, my legal
agreement requires it). It's not that big of a deal. I also vet each
third party file arriving at my place, virus scan it, read the docs,
verify that the file can be reposted, and so on. I reject not a few,
but not based on extent if any or eloquence of English prose. Timo has
much more than I do, but I still have a bunch to deal with. Btw, both
Timo and I earn our living holding real jobs as Prof types, not by
running archive sites.
    I think we have been suggesting that some programs live in
a directory area which is not melted into plastic. That can be done
by either adding a new branch on your ftp server tree (and I understand
what that means) and/or clipping out selected subdirectories during
the disk to tape making process for the CDROM vendor. How easy that
is depends on the operating system, etc, but I can't seeing it being
a major undertaking. Locating the files which need to be moved is
another matter, but that's part of the business.
     This rather repeats the obvious so I won't elaborate further.
And please don't read this as directions on how to run an ftp site;
it's just my own experience being related.

> Develop a product and its support of your own, and you'll see the
> Columbia's side of things.
    Yes.
> Maintain a well-organized and responsible FTP site and you'll see
> SimTel's and Garbo's side of things.
    Ditto. It's not easy being a major ftp site. But to be one
there are these admin details with which we are stuck.

    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FTP Mirrors and CDROMs - again
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[e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
>Perhaps I have not been reading the postings in this "discussion" closely
>enough.  But I certainly don't recall this having been mentioned before;
>in fact, what I recall was that you announced that kermit had been removed
>from SimTel without explaining why, simply saying "contact fdc for an
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>explanation".  The very strong implication in that posting, and all of the
>ensuing "discussion", was that it was the dastardly policies of Columbia
>that had caused it to be removed.  When all else fails, obfuscate.

You haven't been reading the postings in this discussion closely enough.
You are wrong when you say I did not explain why.  I DID, and yes it WAS
because of the restrictive distribution policy of Columbia that MS-Kermit
was removed.

Here is the original announcement:

> Date: Tue, 27 Sep 1994 01:02:46 EDT
> From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
> Subject: Columbia University MS-Kermit files removed from SimTel
>
> According to e-mail I received this evening it appears that Columbia
> University now feels that SimTel should no longer distribute MS-Kermit.
>
> SimTel's policy is:
>
>   Programs submitted to the SimTel collection may appear on CD-ROMs
>   offered by several vendors.  If the program submitted should not
>   be distributed this way, or has restrictions on such distribution,
>   it will not be accepted.
>
> Quoting the copyright included with MS-Kermit:
>
>   Copyright (C) 1985, 1993, Trustees of Columbia University in the City
>   of New York.  The MS-DOS Kermit software may be reproduced and shared
>   without restriction as long as this copyright notice is retained,
>   except that it may not be licensed or sold for profit as a software
>   product itself, and it may not be included in or distributed with
>   commercial products or otherwise distributed by commercial concerns to
>   their clients or customers without written permission of the Office of
>   Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University.
>
> Because of this restrictive distribution policy all MS-Kermit programs
> and other associated files bearing the Columbia University copyright
> have been removed from SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm).
>
> Questions and comments should be sent to Columbia, *not* to SimTel.
> The e-mail address is:  [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)

Keith
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In article <36v463$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

>In article <36uqd8$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>(Mariusz Zydyk) writes:
>> ------- I just started using Kermit [5A(189)] and I noticed that
>> when transferring files the file size on my PC at home is very
>> different from the original. It is always larger [72K file comes
>> out as 78K], but I haven't been able to see any differences between
>> the two. It is not a big deal at the moment, but shortly [today] I
>> will need to transfer some ZIP files and I'd like the size to
>> be preserved for obvious reasons. Why does Kermit do this and is
>> there a way around it?
>>
>Tell the Kermit program that is sending the file to "set file type
>binary".  The differences between text and binary mode transfer are
>explained in the documentation, and have also been discussed on this
>newsgroup.

    True enough, but in brief:  In text files, Unix uses line feed (LF)
    characters to end lines, DOS uses carriage return (CR) and LF. When
    in text mode (set file type text), Kermit translates from Unix (LF)
    to DOS (CR/LF), which means that for each new line, your DOS file
    will be one character larger than your Unix file.

    If you use text mode to transfer binary files from Unix to your PC,
    a CR will be added before every LF in the file, and you'll have a
    corrupted file on your PC.  Set file type binary stops Kermit from
    making these changes; the received file on your PC will be the same
    size as the one on your Unix account.  You can quickly check the
    integrity of your downloaded zipfile by escaping back to the
    MS-Kermit> prompt and doing 'run pkunzip -t zipfile'.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
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[e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

>There are some very messy issues here. Is calling kermit "free" a
>misrepresentation?  Is a distribution service acting as an agent for
>the recipient ... Why does it make a difference if this agent makes
>a profit or not? ... I've often wondered why no one
>has bundled an off-line email package along with scripted kermit
>communications as an obvious low-budget talk-to-any-host solution.
>Now I see that it couldn't be distributed through any media usable
>by the people who need such a thing...

Les has an important point here. It is part of ''the legal issue''.
Because Kermit is not completely free, most modems are packaged, not
with Kermit, but with an invariably crude program instead. Such programs
are obviously made on the cheap, because they are just an add-on to the
modem. Most are using zmodem, perhaps that's easier to program from
scratch, or the source is public domain, or it is easier to license (I don't
know). I strongly believe that this is a factor to the BBS systems
preferring zmodem over Kermit protocol.

If Kermit were truly free, it would be bundled with many more modems than
today. It would save the modem vendors the cost of developing their own
version. Kermit would be more popular with the mainstream BBS users.
BBS's would install better Kermit versions, using the original source
code, yielding in fewer bugs.

I did hear Frank say something like Kermit is not for the masses. I don't
agree (meaning I still respect the opinion of others). I think it is a
waste of resources to reinvent the wheel, like modem vendors have to do
today. Kermit with some appropriate scripts (like the current dial scripts!)
is very easy to use. If most BBS communications are easy enough that they
can be handled with telix/procomm etc, i.e., 8 bits, short delays,
hardware handshaking, etc, then one script would fit all those situations.

Only if Kermit is truly free, without tricky restrictions based on such
criteria as ''for profit'' (in my opinion a very ambiguous criterion),
it can have it's maximum effect. That is easing communication between
as many computers as possible, and eliminating reinvention of Kermit.

The economic aspects must be resolved, of course.
1) Nobody will be able to make exorbitant profits of Kermit, because it
is free. Competitors will prevent this through the market mechanism.
2) If Columbia gets swamped by support questions and has no resources to
handle those, Columbia should stop answering some users. Columbia has no
obligation to provide support. It should only support those it has an
interest in, and so many as it can affort (at the most).
3) If Columbia has to refuse helping some users, it could refer them to
this list or to other volunteers. I happen to have no plans to contribute
any code to the Kermit project, but may be able to provide some user
support as an alternative contribution. Others may choose to donate some
money. This way, more people than just those genius hackers can
contribute to this wonderful Kermit project (no exageration, I mean it).
4) If, as Frank fears, indeed huge numbers of users will beleage the Kermit
team with questions, I foresee businesses opening up to address that market.
Contrary to Franks opinion, I find this desirable. It will stimulate the
economy. Provide employment. The public gets the benefit of using a
REAL protocol/terminal emulator, instead of those makeshift products
currently bundled with most modems.
5) Properly organized, voluntary donations (without legal-sounding
requirements as with shareware) can generate considerable funds. That's
how public radio/television does it. GNU. LPF. The Red Cross. The TeX
user group. (Is there a Kermit user group???)

With this posting I hoped to add a few new ideas (and to reiterate not
too many old ones). In no way I mean to say that Columbia SHOULD do
anything, only that it COULD consider this. Other people will have even
better ideas to solve the REAL problem, which is not distributing
Kermit on CDs to the masses, but to decide WHICH activities to fund in
WHAT way.

My own hope is that sometime C-Kermit will evolve to an even more
modular package allowing a greater amount of code reuse. I have ideas
for a program that combines fax, voice mail, terminal emulation,
callerid logging, in short: all thinkable phone functions. Wouldn't it
be nice if I could reuse large parts of Kermit, instead of having
to rewrite lots of low-level COM port code? With a well-organized and
well-funded Kermit project, the hopes of this are much higher.
POPULAR KERMIT---CODE REUSE---BETTER WORLD

Thanks for reading all this,

Roland Kwee


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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:

:I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely
:ADORE Kermit!

Why don't you propose the creation of comp.protocols.kermit.advocacy ?
I would vote yes...  It is a bit difficult, though. Since many people
have been brainwashed by the zmodem-cult :-)
Maybe under the alt hierarchy is easier to create the newsgroup.

-- budi
--
Budi Rahardjo <[e-mail]>
#include <std-disclaimer.h>
Unix Support - Computer Services - University of Manitoba

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In article <36ue90$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <36ua84$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi
>Rahardjo) writes:
>> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol?
>> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem.
>>
>Not only is there a plan, it's done.  Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit
>5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular
>Kermit implementations soon thereafter.  Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce
>for announcements.
>
>- Frank

    Where is this protocol addition documented?  (Those of us writing
our own Kermit implementations from scratch would also like to take advantage
of this.)
              - Tim Kientzle


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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
writes:
> For some reason, I can't get more than 1250cps with compressed files
> using kermit; however, running an external zmodem protocol from within
> kermit, I can get 1600cps.  I'm using 5A(189) for OS/2 on one end and
>
   Here's a quick comparison that may help nail down the difference.
Try enabling `escape control characters' in your ZModem transfer and
compare the speed there.  If that slows down ZModem to match your
Kermit speed, then the difference is that Kermit escapes all control
characters, while ZModem's default is more optimistic.
   Basically, Kermit's default is conservative, and ZModem's defaults
are optimistic.  Thus, Kermit's defaults allow it to work in
situations that ZModem won't, but make it slower under nice
conditions.  Properly configured, the two are pretty much equivalent,
speedwise.
   For comparison, the common ZModem default settings correspond
roughly to the following Kermit settings:

     block check: 3  (a)
     packet size: 1024
     window size: large (b) (c)
     control characters escaped: 1, 16, 17, 19 (d)

Notes:
  a) ZModem actually uses a 32-bit CRC instead of Kermit's 16-bit CRC.
For a variety of reasons, they're roughly equivalent.  (ZModem needs a
more robust CRC because it lacks other error checks that Kermit does
use.)
  b) Some ZModem implementations use the file on disk as a buffer,
which allows the window to be as large as the file.
  c) ZModem typically collapses to a 1-packet window after each error,
then goes back to a large window after the error is corrected.  Kermit
doesn't usually need to do this because of it's more sophisticated
windowing strategy.  (Thus, Kermit is often faster than ZModem when
errors do occur.)
  d) Actually, ZModem escapes 24 instead of 1, but the reason for that
doesn't apply to Kermit, so Kermit doesn't need 24, but typically does
need 1.
                - Tim Kientzle




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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
>
> Whaddaya think about offering a ringbound version of the Kermit manuals
> (MS-Kermit and C-Kermit - don't know much about the manuals for CPM and
> such) for $10 more each?
>
> Maybe for the *next* MS-Kermit and C-Kermit book, perhaps, if not this one.
>
>
> I'd be willing to pay $60 for the ringbound edition, if the paperbound
> edition that I'm ordering is as good as I expect and have heard!  :-)
>
> Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and
> print a nice binder?  *Then* you could offer updates to the manual, when
> new revisions come out, and before the next Kermit book was written!
>


A paperback with a lay-flat binding, like O'Reilly & Associates use, IBM
uses for the OS/2 manual, and Digital now uses for OSF/1 and OpenVMS docs
seems to be the new thing.

It works as well as a standard three-ring binder, unless you're on the first
few pages (usually junk) or last few pages (who needs it flat when looking
through an index?)

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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In article <37489a$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:

|>
|> ... please advice how does one set up a
|> publicly accessible FTP sub-directory that will not be automatically
|> mirrored, and how do you negotiate all the complicated arrangements
|> with the CDROM producers.  Please also advice where do I find the
|> additional time an motivation needed for something which I do much
|> of my spare time.
|>

1. I don't see how mirroring is a problem.  It is completely ok to have
   Kermit on an ftp site.
2. When you first mentioned you had neither the time nor motivation to
   treat Kermit as a special case I wondered, but did not ask, "Could
   Kermit's special status be accomplished by setting group permissions?"

I admit that I am completely ignorant of garbo, I do not even know if it
is on a Unix host.  And I agree that you have every right not to spend
your time coming up with a special approach to include Kermit on your
ftp site and not on your CD-ROM distribution. But I wonder if there might
not be a simple solution to the problem if you were willing to look for it.
The answer that you've got better ways to spend your time is valid.  Mind you,
if it is as easy as setting group permissions then you can't really blame
people for saying that your position wrt Kermit is "completely bogus".

--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    Speaking for myself here. Reviewing the past ten days of intense
>discussion on this list has left a very positive impression on me.

I'm glad to hear that.  I don't want anything I have said to be
taken as a criticism of the quality of the work that has gone into
kermit or the intentions of the people doing it.  But, times have
changed and perhaps the distribution policies have to adapt to
continue to serve the intent.  One thing that I think would help
would be to offer licensing for commercial use of either the full
program or parts of the code with an up-front pricing scheme less
than it would cost anyone to re-invent it.  This would have several
advantages besides generating some income.  There would be fewer
"bad" implementations around to reduce the support problems about
interoperation.  People who need hand-holding could be encouraged to
use one of the commercial products from companies prepared to provide
it.  Companies who want to hide a fully scripted communications module
inside a larger product would be able to use kermit (giving the end
user a book is kind of silly in this scenario).  And, you might even
get back some improvements to the code from commercial developers.

MS-kermit does some nifty network stuff in addition to the communication
protocol.  The same thing could be done in this area to make the code
reusable for both free and commercial products.  For example I put
together a version of GNUtar for DOS that speaks rsh/rexec to a unix host
using the WATTCP library.  I'd love to be able to do approximately
the same over netbios between two DOS machines or use ODI drivers without
a packet driver shim like kermit does.  However, it is pretty clear that
it is impossible to combine anything with the GNU and Columbia copyrights
in the same package, free or not (doing it with WATTCP is fuzzy enough).

Personally, even though I like free software and source availability, I
think that being available, supported and affordable is more important
than being free.  If it is impossible to keep up with the demands for
updates and support in a free product, maybe it is time to split the line
into free and commercial versions and let the user make the choice.  This
makes more sense to me than making people pay on the basis of whether or
not they have access to electronic distribution facilities or their intended
use of the product.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jamie Watson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>The GNU project doesn't
>>CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely
>
>Oh, really?  Are you sure about this?  I've seen several statements, from
>several different people in the FSF, saying "If you are going to buy the
>distribution on tape {or whatever}, please buy it from us and not from
>others, because the money from this is important funding for us".  Sounds
>like a very similar situation to me.

Not at all.  The GNU folks explicitly allow and encourage redistribution
of the original copy by any means, free or commercial.  They are simply
suggesting that if you are going to pay someone for your copy it might
as well be them.

However I'm not all that fond of the GNU copyleft either once the code
reaches production quality and is useful to end users.  The GPL requires
that the source be distributed along with binaries with only a couple
of specific exceptions.  Dos/windows users seldom even have compilers
so it is kind of silly to require them to have source code.  With FTP
and CDROM distribution this isn't much of a problem, but with the
more common BBS and floppy disk distributions in the dos world it is
an extra burden.  I'm not against making the source available somewhere,
but I don't see much reason to require distribution to people who
don't want it (and yes, I understand the exceptions...).

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Crash recovery ?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> In article <36ue90$[e-mail]>,
> Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <36ua84$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi
>>Rahardjo) writes:
>>> Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol?
>>> This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem.
>>>
>>Not only is there a plan, it's done.  Crash recovery will be in C-Kermit
>>5A(190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and perhaps also in some other popular
>>Kermit implementations soon thereafter.  Watch comp.protocols.kermit.announce
>>for announcements.
>>
>>- Frank
>
>     Where is this protocol addition documented?  (Those of us writing
> our own Kermit implementations from scratch would also like to take advantage
> of this.)
---------
    Protocol extension docs usually end up in directory kermit/e on
kermit.columbia.edu. Since the crash recovery item has yet to be hammered
on in public (we have to get MSK 3.14 out) I think Frank is hanging back
on the matter until any gotcha's are resolved. That's just a guess on my
part. I'm sure he could ship you the current draft if you ask him.
    Before your program can take advantage of the feature the rest of
the protocol needs to be implemented, particularly file attributes packets.
If you have gotten that far then fine, else the preliminary work needs
completion.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Meissner)
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Subject: Re: GNU implementation of kermit :-)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey T Berntsen)
writes:

| More reasonable distribution.  NOT just Internet FTP.  The GNU project doesn't
| CARE how their software is distributed as long as it's done more or less freely
| (they don't seem to have any problems with CD-ROM's for instance), and source
| is made freely (they also don't seem to have any problems with reasonable
| handling and media charges) available.

Actually the same has come up in the GNU area too (though not as publically).
The following will be in the GCC 2.6.1 documentation (and presumably other GNU
software documentation as well).  Note the points about using distributers that
contribute money back to create new software.  When the flood of CD
distributions sprung up, the FSF's funding shrank, to the extent that they had
to lay off one or more people.

File: gcc.info,  Node: Funding,  Next: Look and Feel,  Prev: Contributors,  Up: Top

Funding Free Software
*********************

   If you want to have more free software a few years from now, it makes
sense for you to help encourage people to contribute funds for its
development.  The most effective approach known is to encourage
commercial redistributors to donate.

   Users of free software systems can boost the pace of development by
encouraging for-a-fee distributors to donate part of their selling price
to free software developers--the Free Software Foundation, and others.

   The way to convince distributors to do this is to demand it and
expect it from them.  So when you compare distributors, judge them
partly by how much they give to free software development.  Show
distributors they must compete to be the one who gives the most.

   To make this approach work, you must insist on numbers that you can
compare, such as, "We will donate ten dollars to the Frobnitz project
for each disk sold."  Don't be satisfied with a vague promise, such as
"A portion of the profits are donated," since it doesn't give a basis
for comparison.

   Even a precise fraction "of the profits from this disk" is not very
meaningful, since creative accounting and unrelated business decisions
can greatly alter what fraction of the sales price counts as profit.
If the price you pay is $50, ten percent of the profit is probably less
than a dollar; it might be a few cents, or nothing at all.

   Some redistributors do development work themselves.  This is useful
too; but to keep everyone honest, you need to inquire how much they do,
and what kind.  Some kinds of development make much more long-term
difference than others.  For example, maintaining a separate version of
a program contributes very little; maintaining the standard version of a
program for the whole community contributes much.  Easy new ports
contribute little, since someone else would surely do them; difficult
ports such as adding a new CPU to the GNU C compiler contribute more;
major new features or packages contribute the most.

   By establishing the idea that supporting further development is "the
proper thing to do" when distributing free software for a fee, we can
assure a steady flow of resources into making more free software.

     Copyright (C) 1994 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
     Verbatim copying and redistribution of this section is permitted
     without royalty; alteration is not permitted.

--
Michael Meissner    email: [e-mail]        phone: [phone]
Open Software Foundation, 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA, 02142

Old hackers never die, their bugs just increase.

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From: [e-mail] (Christian Weisgerber)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Documentation
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With all the recent talk and flaming about distribution policies and
funding...

>     Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital
>     Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
>     1-55558-108-0.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
>     Columbia University or from Digital Press.

How much does Columbia University actually get of the DEM 101.80 (~$63)
I paid for my copy?

--
Christian 'naddy' Weisgerber, Germany
[e-mail] / [e-mail]
   "I am Lefty of Borg.  Prepare to be assim... OOH! PIZZA!"  --Lefty

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit distribution
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This is what we have now come to.  I must have expressed myself very
thoughlessly on the Usenet news in comp.protocols.kermit.misc.  My
apologies for that.  However, I want set one thing straight publicly
in the open when I start getting this kind of feedback.  There is
not one single cent that I have ever earned from Garbo's operations.

   All the best, Timo

:-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100
:-From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
:-To: [e-mail]
:-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution
:
:> Jamie,
:
:Have we met before?  Do I know you from somewhere?  I think not, and in
:polite society one does not presume to address another by first name
:without being invited to do so.
:
:> so far this has been a genuine discsussion.
:
:There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion.
:You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others.
:Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that.  Fine.  But
:when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove
:the software from your on-line distribution.  You constantly trumpet the
:fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered
:to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and
:provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author
:requires.  Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely
:trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort.  Fine,
:but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and
:don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person
:you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service.
:
:> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like.
:
:How very generous of you.
:
:> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations.
:
:Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some
:people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are
:conducting.
:
:> It has been a difficult issue.  Starting a fight with such sniping is
:> not going to make it any easier.
:
:Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed
:to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult.
:Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on
:your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit
:group became too large, and they finally had to shut down.  Who would
:have profited from this?  You, and the others selling the software.
:Who would have lost?  Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and
:all the people who want to see it continue.  I believe very strongly
:that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is
:absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some
:money.
:
:Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that
:I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software,
:on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe,
:since Version 11 Release 1.  What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too.
:No charge.  No payment.  The only requirement is that I get back the same
:number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the
:tapes every release.  The mailing costs have been paid partially by my
:employers, and partially out of my own pocket.  The time and work to make
:the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all
:been donated by myself and my wife.  I have averages something over 150
:tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still
:making the same offer for R6.  So please, don't tell me what a wonderful
:saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and
:then sell them for $20 each.
:
:If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the
:best you can at it.  If it requires a little extra effort on your part
:to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make
:the effort.  If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the
:decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts
:of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the
:public good.
:
:jw

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I must have expressed myself very badly on the Usenet news in
comp.protocols.kermit.misc.  My apologies for that.  I have little
to add except that there is not a single cent that I earn from
Garbo's operations.  I fact I am personally way in the red in Garbo
operations since I pay my not negligible connection time from my
home to the office out of my own pocket.  I've done this out of
interest in what I do.  Please don't make me out like some kind of a
profiteering leech.

   All the best, Timo

:-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100
:-From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
:-To: [e-mail]
:-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution
:
:> Jamie,
:
:Have we met before?  Do I know you from somewhere?  I think not, and in
:polite society one does not presume to address another by first name
:without being invited to do so.
:
:> so far this has been a genuine discsussion.
:
:There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion.
:You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others.
:Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that.  Fine.  But
:when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove
:the software from your on-line distribution.  You constantly trumpet the
:fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered
:to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and
:provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author
:requires.  Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely
:trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort.  Fine,
:but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and
:don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person
:you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service.
:
:> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like.
:
:How very generous of you.
:
:> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations.
:
:Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some
:people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are
:conducting.
:
:> It has been a difficult issue.  Starting a fight with such sniping is
:> not going to make it any easier.
:
:Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed
:to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult.
:Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on
:your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit
:group became too large, and they finally had to shut down.  Who would
:have profited from this?  You, and the others selling the software.
:Who would have lost?  Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and
:all the people who want to see it continue.  I believe very strongly
:that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is
:absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some
:money.
:
:Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that
:I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software,
:on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe,
:since Version 11 Release 1.  What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too.
:No charge.  No payment.  The only requirement is that I get back the same
:number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the
:tapes every release.  The mailing costs have been paid partially by my
:employers, and partially out of my own pocket.  The time and work to make
:the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all
:been donated by myself and my wife.  I have averages something over 150
:tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still
:making the same offer for R6.  So please, don't tell me what a wonderful
:saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and
:then sell them for $20 each.
:
:If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the
:best you can at it.  If it requires a little extra effort on your part
:to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make
:the effort.  If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the
:decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts
:of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the
:public good.
:
:jw

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I must have expressed myself very badly on the Usenet news in
comp.protocols.kermit.misc.  My apologies for that.  I wish to say,
however, one additional thing here in public when the feedback
starts to be like this.  There is not one single cent that I have
ever personally earned from Garbo's operations.  In fact I am
personally way in the red in maitaining Garbo, since I pay my not
negligible connection time from my home to the office out of my own
pocket.  I've done this out of interest in what I do.  Please don't
take me as some kind of a profiteering leech.

   All the best, Timo

:-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100
:-From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
:-To: [e-mail]
:-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution
:
:> Jamie,
:
:Have we met before?  Do I know you from somewhere?  I think not, and in
:polite society one does not presume to address another by first name
:without being invited to do so.
:
:> so far this has been a genuine discussion.
:
:There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion.
:You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others.
:Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that.  Fine.  But
:when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove
:the software from your on-line distribution.  You constantly trumpet the
:fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered
:to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and
:provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author
:requires.  Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely
:trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort.  Fine,
:but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and
:don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person
:you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service.
:
:> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like.
:
:How very generous of you.
:
:> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations.
:
:Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some
:people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are
:conducting.
:
:> It has been a difficult issue.  Starting a fight with such sniping is
:> not going to make it any easier.
:
:Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed
:to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult.
:Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on
:your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit
:group became too large, and they finally had to shut down.  Who would
:have profited from this?  You, and the others selling the software.
:Who would have lost?  Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and
:all the people who want to see it continue.  I believe very strongly
:that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is
:absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some
:money.
:
:Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that
:I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software,
:on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe,
:since Version 11 Release 1.  What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too.
:No charge.  No payment.  The only requirement is that I get back the same
:number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the
:tapes every release.  The mailing costs have been paid partially by my
:employers, and partially out of my own pocket.  The time and work to make
:the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all
:been donated by myself and my wife.  I have averages something over 150
:tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still
:making the same offer for R6.  So please, don't tell me what a wonderful
:saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and
:then sell them for $20 each.
:
:If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the
:best you can at it.  If it requires a little extra effort on your part
:to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make
:the effort.  If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the
:decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts
:of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the
:public good.
:
:jw

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I must have expressed myself very badly on the Usenet news in
comp.protocols.kermit.misc.  My apologies for that.  I wish to say,
however, one additional thing here in public when the feedback
starts to be like this.  There is not one single cent that I have
ever personally earned from Garbo's operations.  In fact I am
personally way in the red in maintaining Garbo, since I pay my not
negligible connection time from my home to the office out of my own
pocket.  I've done this out of interest in what I do.  Please, don't
take me as some kind of a profiteering leech.

   All the best, Timo

:-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100
:-From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
:-To: [e-mail]
:-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution
:
:> Jamie,
:
:Have we met before?  Do I know you from somewhere?  I think not, and in
:polite society one does not presume to address another by first name
:without being invited to do so.
:
:> so far this has been a genuine discussion.
:
:There has been very little that has been "genuine" about the discussion.
:You, and some others, want to try to profit by selling the work of others.
:Some software authors are willing to allow you to do that.  Fine.  But
:when one stands up and says "No", you throw a temper tantrum and remove
:the software from your on-line distribution.  You constantly trumpet the
:fact that you are "providing a valuable service", but you can't be bothered
:to make a truly trivial effort to respect the wishes of an author and
:provide a significant piece of software under the conditions that author
:requires.  Arranging for kermit to be excluded from a CD would be absolutely
:trivial, but you simply aren't willing to make the slightest effort.  Fine,
:but don't then refer to what is going on as a "genuine" discussion, and
:don't bother announcing to the world what a wonderful, altruistic person
:you are to work so hard for the public good in providing this service.
:
:> You are most welcome to have your own views in this as much as you like.
:
:How very generous of you.
:
:> But no purpose is served by your "" insinuations.
:
:Yes, I would hope that they serve the purpose of enlightening a some
:people to the true nature of the "discussion" you and a few others are
:conducting.
:
:> It has been a difficult issue.  Starting a fight with such sniping is
:> not going to make it any easier.
:
:Starting this entire situation with your tantrums about not being allowed
:to sell someone else's hard work is what really made things difficult.
:Suppose that you, and everyone else, were allowed to include kermit on
:your CDs; then Frank turned out to be right, the burden on the Kermit
:group became too large, and they finally had to shut down.  Who would
:have profited from this?  You, and the others selling the software.
:Who would have lost?  Frank, and the others who work on kermit, and
:all the people who want to see it continue.  I believe very strongly
:that Frank *is* right, but even more important, I believe that it is
:absolutely not worth running this risk just so that you can make some
:money.
:
:Lest you think that I am "all talk" in this area, I would point out that
:I have been offering *free* distribution of the X Window System software,
:on several different magnetic tape formats, to anyone, anywhere in Europe,
:since Version 11 Release 1.  What *I* mean by free is *really* free, too.
:No charge.  No payment.  The only requirement is that I get back the same
:number of tapes that I send out, and even at that I lose about 10% of the
:tapes every release.  The mailing costs have been paid partially by my
:employers, and partially out of my own pocket.  The time and work to make
:the tapes, prepare the mailing labels, customs labels and such have all
:been donated by myself and my wife.  I have averages something over 150
:tapes per release, so I have sent over 600 tapes so far, and I am still
:making the same offer for R6.  So please, don't tell me what a wonderful
:saint you are because you are willing to get CDs make for $5 each and
:then sell them for $20 each.
:
:If you want to provide a service, then make an honest effort to do the
:best you can at it.  If it requires a little extra effort on your part
:to arrange things to comply with an authors requirements, then make
:the effort.  If you are not willing to do that, then at least have the
:decency not to interfere with, and significantly impede, the efforts
:of someone like Frank da Cruz, who is actually doing some work for the
:public good.
:
:jw



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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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>Am I the only person who sees the beauty in Kermit and is disgusting by
>people trying to coerce Frank into turning Kermit into (ugh!) "Shareware"?

No, you certainly aren't.  I stayed out of this discussion for a long time,
because it seemed to be progressing rationally.  People complained about
not being able to put Kermit on CD-ROM.  Frank explained why that was not
going to be allowed.  But then the same people complained about the reason
it was not to be allowed, and things went downhill from there.  Now we
have reached the point where a several people are simply repeatedly
posting messages that say "Frank, I like you, and I respect you, but I
really don't understand why you would be so stupid as to stick to what
you believe in and have been saying all along, rather than changing your
mind and doing what I want you to do."

However, the absolute low point so far has been reached when people
start saying "Please tell us all exactly what the legal and financial
restrictions you are working under are, so we can suggest ways to get
around them."  I absolutely can't imagine *anyone* having the gall to
say something like this.  How would the people who say this like to
conduct a public discussion of their day to day decisions, so that
anyone and everyone can second-guess, criticise or simply dump on the
people who have to make these decisions?

It seems to me that a large part of the problem for both sides here is
that they are unwilling to allow a precedent to be set.  Frank is not
willing to allow the precedent of Kermit being distributed on CD-ROM,
because he believes that it will dramatically increase the support load
without a corresponding increase in revenue.  Those who operate Internet
archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to
allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from
the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to
make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so.

Consider the potential consequences of each side of this.  If Kermit were
to be distributed on CD-ROM, and it turned out that Frank is right, there
is a possibility that Columbia would simply pull the plug on the Kermit
group.  Most likely, Kermit would then slowly die, in the worst case,
eventually there will be no kermit any more, so no one will be able to
get it.  On the other hand, if Kermit is not allowed on CD-ROMs, some
unknown number of people will not stumble across it by accident, and so
may never become Kermit users.  But the simple fact is, anyone who knows
that kermit exists and wants to get a copy will still be able to do that.
Either electronically, or from Columia by mail order, or from somewhere
else.  I simply don't believe that there will be anyone, anywhere, who
will end up saying "gee, I would really like to get a copy of Kermit,
but it is not on the XXYYZ CD-ROM, so I can't get it".

jw

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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jamie Watson <[e-mail]> wrote:

>However, the absolute low point so far has been reached when people
>start saying "Please tell us all exactly what the legal and financial
>restrictions you are working under are, so we can suggest ways to get
>around them."

Guess I missed that one.  What I saw was more like people asking what
exactly the restrictions are so they can stay within them.  Even if
that means many people will be unable to use kermit or even remain
unaware that it exists, or only know about it from the commercial
copies.

>Those who operate Internet
>archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to
>allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from
>the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to
>make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so.

It is actually pretty much irrelevant how many internet sites keep a
copy of kermit.  If you have access to any ftp archive you can just
as easily reach them all, including Columbia's.   The people without
ftp access are the ones affected here.

Les Mikesell
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From: [e-mail] (Yee Chang Lee)
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Subject: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit?
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I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot.  I also use
Telix.  Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit.

What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit?  Kermit _is_ writing to
hardware, not BIOS.

Any other ideas?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
David Quattlebaum ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Will there be a way in MSK 3.14 to read the screen at a certain
>row,col location? I use this ability in procomm plus, but can't find a
>way to duplicate this feature in MSK 3.13.

    I may be missing something, but my observation is that when you run
    a script in MS-Kermit, you're taken out of terminal emulation mode
    and put in command mode.  In command mode, whatever comes in
    through the serial port is simply read as a stream of characters
    (including the escape sequences that would format your screen if
    you were in terminal mode), and is not interpreted into rows and
    columns.  Input commands simply read this stream for a character
    string match.

    It's possible that the ID or whatever it is you want to detect can
    be differentiated from the same string elsewhere on your screen
    because it is preceeded or followed by escape sequences.  You can
    determine whether or not it is by turning on session logging, which
    records the actual stream of characters that goes through your
    serial port, and not just what you see on the screen during
    terminal emulation.  You could then put an input command in your
    script that includes these escape sequences, using backslash codes
    for control characters (eg. \27 for escape).

    Hope that helps.

                        Jeff

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 [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>As long as flow control is effective everywhere -- and it probably is
>because Zmodem gets 1600cps on the same connection, you can squeeze the
>additional 20-26% performance out of the connection by telling Kermit not
>to prefix most control characters

Yes, this is the "solution". I tried prefixing only 0, 1, and 129 a couple of
day ago and got numerous lockups with file transfer. For the hec of it, I
tried it again and it worked like a charm. I later found out that my internet
provider was having a server problem which was causing the lockups, not the
prefixing I was doing in kermit.


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Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit?
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In article <377fcp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Yee Chang Lee) writes:
> I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot.  I also use
> Telix.  Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit.
>
> What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit?  Kermit _is_ writing to
> hardware, not BIOS.
>
> Any other ideas?
------------
    No other ideas. If you are asking about whys then I can say that
MSK has a heck of a lot more work to do for each screen character than
simpler programs. That's going to start showing when the cpu is the weakest
link in the chain, and maybe that's the case on your XT.
    I did not notice any size of qualifiers, nor any reference to the
operating conditions you are using, or which version of Kermit so I will
stop here.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Yee Chang Lee)
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Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
|    I did not notice any size of qualifiers, nor any reference to the
|operating conditions you are using, or which version of Kermit so I will
|stop here.

A valiant try, appreciated.  I'll try to give more information.

I use Kermit and Telix, plus an Intel 144/144e 14.4k external model, to log
into Columbia University's Unix server.  One place the difference in screen
updating is very prominent is with my preferred editor, JOE.  Ctrl-K-H in
JOE brings up a 10-line help window on the top of my screen.  I'm using
Telix right now, and the window _flashes_ onto the screen, everything below
the screen gets moved down enough to make room, etc.  In Kermit, it's quite
fast, too, but clearly not as fast.  As I wrote in my original post, I've
set both programs to write to the screen directly.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit?
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In article <377fcp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Yee Chang Lee) writes:
> I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot.  I also use
> Telix.  Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit.
>
> What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit?  Kermit _is_ writing to
> hardware, not BIOS.
-------
    Oh, I did forget to add one suggestion. If your system uses a CGA
display then Kermit automatically includes "snow" suppression. Not all CGA
adapters need that treatment, and you can try turning it off with the "0"
argument to SET TERM COLOR. Say SET TERM COLOR ?  to see the syntax.
Notice that this affects screen updates as well as screen scrolls, with
the latter being the slowest operation of the video system. Many programs
(er, programmers) today forget (never new about) about snow occuring on older
computers.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Yee Chang Lee)
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Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
|    Oh, I did forget to add one suggestion. If your system uses a CGA
|display then Kermit automatically includes "snow" suppression. Not all CGA
|adapters need that treatment, and you can try turning it off with the "0"

I've checked for that, but I thought the 'turn-off-snow-suppression' code
was 10, not 0.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <371450$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (JOHN M. TROIANO) writes:
>>         I have been using the Windows version of Kermit (Win100 v2.3,
>> 5/1/91) and it seems that it will not allow you to define the function
>> keys F5 and F10 (or Shift-F5, F10). Unfortunately the remote application
>> that we would like to use Win100 to connect to relies very heavily on
>> these keys. The program maps F5 to "break" and Shift-F5 to "long break"
>> (ie., disconnect). It allows you to disable the former but not the
>> latter setting. Is there any way around this? Does anyone know why it
>> was written this way?
> ----------
>     The program was written more as a demonstration for Windows workers
> than as a mainline production tool. It was a subset of mainline Kermits when
> it was written. It has not been updated and lacks support. Given these
> factors and its vintage we recommend that you use MS-DOS Kermit in Windows
> (it works well there, by design). When and if we acquire sufficient funding
> and people to create a pure Windows Kermit then it will be uptodate and
> full, but we don't have either at the moment.
>     Joe D.

At one point I did a little hacking on the Windows version of Kermit to
add some features to it that a customer wanted.  The reasons for the
choice of that program are not relevant to this discussion (they needed
the Chinese character set, for one thing, which is not possible with the
MS-DOS version of Kermit, and they did not need many of the other features
of the mainline Kermit package).

The choice of F5 as break is because that's what VT terminals use as a
break key.  Many of them don't allow you to remap the F5 key to anything
else, unfortunately.  There's no good reason for a Windows program to have
the same restriction, and more modern VT terminals do allow you to remap
the key anyway, so it should have allowed it.  However it's still not
nice of the remote application to require the use of the F5 key since some
VT terminals cannot generate this sequence.  But as Joe says, the Windows
version of Kermit has a number of limitations that the MS-DOS version does
not have.

It's not difficult to get the sources to Windows Kermit, so you could
always modify it yourself to add that to it.  I might even be persuaded
to do it for you for the right price :).  But if you want something to
work out of the box, MS-DOS Kermit is usually a better choice.

Bruce C. Wright

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From: [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
...
:Consider the potential consequences of each side of this.  If Kermit were
:to be distributed on CD-ROM, and it turned out that Frank is right, there
:is a possibility that Columbia would simply pull the plug on the Kermit
:group.  Most likely, Kermit would then slowly die, in the worst case,
:eventually there will be no kermit any more, so no one will be able to
:get it.

I am sorry if I am rehashing it again, but I don't buy the argument.

Are you sure if Columbia pull the plug, Kermit will die ? (I don't think so)
Does Kermit really depend *that much* on Columbia's support ?
If it is true that Kermit will die if Coulmbia pull the plug,
then not many people want to use it since it is not stable and really depends
on Columbia (who knows what the administrator will do. cuts... cuts.. cuts).

Let's stick to one point: Columbia's Kermit team does not want anybody
selling their work without permission. This is valid and reasonable.

Has any CD-vendor approached any of you guys ? How difficult is it to
get the permission ? I want to hear the CD-vendor side of the story too.


-- budi
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Is it just me, or could crash recovery be implemented in the VMS version
of C-Kermit by translating the file to Stream-LF as it's read in on download?

After all, if after stopping a download, I log into a Unix system and
cd to the NFS-mounted drive from the VMS system, I can use C-Kermit to
resume the download, and it works fine.  The only difference is that the
Multinet NFS server on the VMS system translates the file into Stream-LF
when it passes the data over to the Unix system.

I can think of a few problems this could cause, but if it were a feature
that could be enabled or disabled, that would dodge that issue.

I could be missing something here, like it's a lot harder than I'm thinking
it should be, but it seems like something that works most of the time on
binaries (especially zipfiles, which are generally are already stream-lf
anyway) could be done.

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From: [e-mail] (Nico Garcia)
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Re-read the GNU copyleft. I just examined the one with EMACS. If you
offer to send free copies of the source code for the next 3 years,
commercial providers don't have to include it. I'm uncertain whether
ftp sites count as sending free copies, but I'll bet you could find a
way. An 8mm exabyte with the full GNU source tree only costs about
$20 in media, so sending a few of them to customers who ask could
easily be an incidental expense rather than a burdensome problem.
Even putting emacs source and gzip on floppies would only cost about
$5 in media.

                Nico Garcia
                [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Mathias Koerber)
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In (<[e-mail]>) Russell Nelson ([e-mail]) wrote:
| Hey Frank, how about only supporting people who have purchased the
| Kermit manual?

|  1) It generates the income you need to support Kermit.
|  2) It's reasonable.  Why should you help someone who hasn't bothered
|     to help themselves first?

Now *that's* an idea. Put a card into the book, to register for service.
People can either fill it in right when they buy kermit (and thus
get some *bonus* points or so, or when they need service, which
will take until the card reaches Columbia, gets processed etc.

Very reasonable scheme, I love it !!

Only you'd have to make sure the book is available everywhere, or there
was a good mail-order shop for it. I haven't seen many copies here in
Singapore, but then I haven't actively looked..

cheers
| You can serialize new manuals, and ask current manual holders to send
| in the manual's copyright page (with an SASE) to be serialized.  Then,
| if you get a request for help without a valid serial number, refuse it.

| --
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| Crynwr Software   | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key
| 11 Grant St.      | [phone] (9201 FAX)  | What is thee doing about it?
| Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do.

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        but who is left        - ??

many of you advocate, then everybody
| who uses it would have to (a) send us money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become
| an outlaw.  That would include the universities, government agencies,
| research institute, hospitals, convents, and orphanages.

| Why don't we give it rest, eh?  Thanks.

| - Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
:without a corresponding increase in revenue.  Those who operate Internet
:archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to
:allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from
:the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to
:make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so.

In any debate it always is most unfortunate when a discussant shows
an unmistakenly derogatory untertone with an obvious primary goal to
disparage divergent views.  It loses so much of the weight of the
superficially even rationally appearing arguments.  Fortunately,
with the unequivocal exception Mr Watson, and marginally one other
participant, this attitude blessfully has not been the rule in
comtemplating the various aspects of the dilemma discussed.

I particular I would like to salute Joe and Frank for their civility
in explaining their stance both on and off the news about the views
and analysis put forward of yours truly.  I wish we all could have
reached the same level.

It is time to go.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: Columbia University's Kermit copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
:without a corresponding increase in revenue.  Those who operate Internet
:archive sites and want to put Kermit on their CD-ROM are not willing to
:allow the precedent of having some material on-line which is excluded from
:the CD-ROM, because if this became very common, they would not be able to
:make CD-ROMs for a couple of dollars and sell them for $20 or so.

In any debate it always is most unfortunate when a discussant shows
an unmistakably derogatory undertone with an obvious primary goal to
disparage the divergent views.  It loses so much of the weight of
the superficially even rational-appearing arguments.  Fortunately,
with the unequivocal exception of Mr Watson, and marginally maybe
one other participant, this attitude blessfully has not been the
rule in contemplating the various aspects of the difficult dilemma
discussed.

In particular I would like to salute Joe and Frank for their
civility in explaining their stance both on and off the news about
the views and analysis put forward of yours truly.  I wish we all
could have reached the same level.

Time to go.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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From [e-mail] Sun Oct  9 23:09:29 1994
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In article <[e-mail]> Ken Udut
<[e-mail]> writes:

> Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and
> print a nice binder?

Docs in a binder would be fine with me.  Unfortunately this doesn't
seem to be the trend these days, even though there's a major difference
in convenience of use..  Even just the pages (and I supply the binder)
would suffice if cost or store shelf space are otherwise problems.

Billy Y..


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From: [e-mail] (Jay Pfaffman)
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[e-mail] (Lou Kates)

>What are these detailed organizational and legal constraints under which
>you operate which supposedly prevent you from simply charging for support
>or implementing other solutions which seem to make a lot more sense than
>restricting distribution?

>Perhaps if you spelled them out so that we can all understand
>these barriers then we could all creatively figure out a way around them.

Columbia University is a large university in an especially litigious
area of this country.  There is no way that a normal person (and
certainly not a computer person) could understand the forces at work.
The fact that Kermit is in any way freely distributable is quite
amazing.

We've heard Frank at Columbia say that there's nothing he can do right
now.  He is not an idiot.  He understands the issues.  We've heard
many valid arguments for doing things differently, but LOGIC DOES NOT
APPLY.

Give it a rest.
--
Jay Pfaffman   [e-mail]
802-453-2457

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul R. Coen) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
>>
>> Whaddaya think about offering a ringbound version of the Kermit manuals
>> (MS-Kermit and C-Kermit - don't know much about the manuals for CPM and
>> such) for $10 more each?
>>
>> Maybe for the *next* MS-Kermit and C-Kermit book, perhaps, if not this one.
>>
>>
>> I'd be willing to pay $60 for the ringbound edition, if the paperbound
>> edition that I'm ordering is as good as I expect and have heard!  :-)
>>
>> Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and
>> print a nice binder?  *Then* you could offer updates to the manual, when
>> new revisions come out, and before the next Kermit book was written!
>>
> A paperback with a lay-flat binding, like O'Reilly & Associates use, IBM
> uses for the OS/2 manual, and Digital now uses for OSF/1 and OpenVMS docs
> seems to be the new thing.
>
> It works as well as a standard three-ring binder, unless you're on the first
> few pages (usually junk) or last few pages (who needs it flat when looking
> through an index?)
-----------
    All very nice ideas. May I suggest you contact the publisher and
explain your suggestions and why you think they would be important. It's
the publisher who makes those decisions in the end. And while you have
their attention ask what they are doing to put copies in more bookstores.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: C-Kermit and Screen Rollback
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Okay, now one of the things I really love about MS-Kermit, and have
gotten rather used to using is the screen rollback feature.  Now, I
know that this feature isn't implemented under C-Kermit, but my
question is, does anyone out there know of a good way to emulate such a
feature?  I'm looking for any type of answer, from using third-party
programs, to nifty scripts, etc...

Thanks in advance...

        --Jerry

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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 03:56:54 GMT
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Yee Chang Lee) says:

>I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot.  I also use
>Telix.  Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit.
>
>What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit?  Kermit _is_ writing to
>hardware, not BIOS.
>
>Any other ideas?
>---  _________________________________   o   ______________________________
>     Yeechang Lee  ([e-mail]) o   o I sure as heck don't speak for
>     Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New
>     Columbia University/New York City   |   Yorkers, or anyone else at all
>

Try:

SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048

before starting Kermit.

If this increases your screen updates put it in a batch file with your
Kermit invocation.

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From: [e-mail] (Dick Wisan)
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I want to express appreciation for Frank de Cruz's long reply to Timo.
That's the letter I've been hoping for.  Finally, he's given us a
glimpse of the way Kermit is paid for and how the Columbia people see
the shape of the market for computing.  That makes it possible to see
that there may be some sense in the way Kermit is being handled.

The sad thing about this long exchange is that Frank's been defending
what nobody attacks: his or Columbia's *rignt* to offer Kermit on the
terms they do.  The question's been the wisdom of it.

Possibly, I'm slow.  It appears I'm only gradually coming to understand
how much we lost when the US Army closed SIMTEL20.
--
R. N. (Dick) Wisan  - Email: internet [e-mail]
                    - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A.
                    - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax.

From [e-mail] Mon Oct 10 12:33:23 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Rod Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Kermit-lovers unite!
Date: 10 Oct 1994 08:33:23 -0400
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> I would dearly *love* to start a mailing list for people who absolutely
> ADORE Kermit!  That's the biggest problem with newsgroups.  Complainers
> pop in, pop out, without a hint of responsibility for what they say.
>
> KERMIT-LVRS :->  Quite tempting, in fact!  Too much negativity around
> sometimes - it's great to get away from it when I can :-)
>
> Ken
> [e-mail]

After a temporary brain freeze I finally got my off-line news-reader
to show me the c.p.k.* groups.  I was sad to see how much discussion
there was about the down side of Kermit.  (If buying a manual to help
fund the Kermit effort, development and support, is a down side.)

Being the defacto, if not official, support person for Kermit for our
area and doing a brief stint of answering questions nationally I can
appreciate the Kermit Development (and Support) Team's position.  I
found over 90% of the questions I get could be answered by looking in
the index and reading two to five pages in "Using MS-Kermit".

I personally purchased "Using C-Kermit" and had my employer purchase
"Using MS-Kermit".  Our SysAdmin bought three copies of "Using
C-Kermit" so there is always a copy lying around to use.  The big
problem is most people want a knowledge transplant and are reluctant
to `Read-the-Book'.  But that is another soap box that can be stood on
later.

A decision was made to go with Kermit on our PCs for terminal
emulation since the Data General DASHER 463 and 470 support was added.
Otherwise the terminal emulation package Data General supplied was
$200US at first and now down to about $35 but buggy as all hell if
your hardware wasn't what is thought it should be.  On the other hand
I have yet to find an IBM (MS-DOS) compatible that Kermit wouldn't run
on out of the box.  And there are some real strange combinations
floating around at work.

Since I seem to be running on a bit I'll get to my point.

Kermit is one of those applications software support people dream of,
IMHO!  It transfers files over some of the worst communications lines
without breaking them, runs on most every platform you could want, and
is FREELY AVAILABLE.

Rod Anderson

======================================================================
Nope, this don't necessarily represent my employer's views and I have
even been known to tick them off.  Hell, I'm not even going to tell
you who I work for. ;-)
======================================================================

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Screen Rollback
Date: 10 Oct 1994 13:47:35 GMT
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In article <37ac48$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jerry
Alexandratos) writes:
> Okay, now one of the things I really love about MS-Kermit, and have
> gotten rather used to using is the screen rollback feature.  Now, I
> know that this feature isn't implemented under C-Kermit, ...
>
Right.  This can be implemented in Kermit programs that actually have a
terminal emulator.  C-Kermit in UNIX, VMS, etc, do not include terminal
emulators, but rather a connection to whatever you are using on your
desktop as a terminal or emulator -- e.g. your workstation's terminal
window.  Of course, the OS/2 version of C-Kermit *does* including a
terminal emulator, with rollback, key mapping, etc, so this does not
apply to OS/2 C-Kermit.

> ... but my
> question is, does anyone out there know of a good way to emulate such a
> feature?  I'm looking for any type of answer, from using third-party
> programs, to nifty scripts, etc...
>
This is an increasingly common question.  A similar question is "How do I
use the F keys, arrow keys, etc, with C-Kermit?"  The answer will be
different for each particular system / console driver / terminal window
program.  In general, the information will be found in the manual for your
desktop system.  In many cases, workstation terminal windows include
scroll bars -- e.g. "terminal" or "Stuart" on the NeXT -- and their own
key maps, which you can customize -- e.g. xterm.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: OpenVMS and crash recovery
Date: 10 Oct 1994 14:14:05 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Paul R. Coen) writes:
> Is it just me, or could crash recovery be implemented in the VMS version
> of C-Kermit by translating the file to Stream-LF as it's read in on
> download?
>
It is my fervent hope that we can get crash recovery added to the VMS
version asap.  We are working on it now, but it is not definite.

There is no easy solution, because we use -- and must use -- the RMS file
system and its numerous facilities to handle the many and varied VMS file
types, and this entails all sorts of issues involving "blocks", internal
buffers, etc.  We have an idea about how to do it, and the proof will be
in the pudding.  But no, it's not as easy as using C-library calls.
That's what the *old* VMS C-Kermit (version 4 era) used to do, and it
was entirely unstatisfactory.  Let's keep our fingers crossed.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit?
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In article <37ae26$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>
> In a previous article, [e-mail] (Yee Chang Lee) says:
>
>>I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot.  I also use
>>Telix.  Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit.
>>
>>What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit?  Kermit _is_ writing to
>>hardware, not BIOS.
>>
>>Any other ideas?
>
> Try:
>
> SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048
>
> before starting Kermit.
>
> If this increases your screen updates put it in a batch file with your
> Kermit invocation.
-------------
    Huh? INPUT is a script command; the one above enlarges the buffer
used by the INPUT command. Terminal emulation (Connect mode) is not related
to script commands; it has no association with the INPUT buffer.
    But thanks for assisting.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit?
Date: 10 Oct 1994 14:42:33 GMT
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In article <37ae26$[e-mail]>,
Michael DeCosta III <[e-mail]> wrote:
|SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048
|
|before starting Kermit.

I'll try it (I'm at school right now), but I'm curious; what does it do?  I
don't recall seeing it in the help file.

---  _________________________________   o   ______________________________
     Yeechang Lee  ([e-mail]) o   o I sure as heck don't speak for
     Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New
     Columbia University/New York City   |   Yorkers, or anyone else at all

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<37bjsp$[e-mail]> was cancelled from within trn.
---  _________________________________   o   ______________________________
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     Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New
     Columbia University/New York City   |   Yorkers, or anyone else at all

From [e-mail] Mon Oct 10 14:26:15 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Keith Petersen)
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Subject: US Army's closure of SIMTEL20 (was On fdc's long reply to ts)
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[e-mail] (Dick Wisan) writes:
>Possibly, I'm slow.  It appears I'm only gradually coming to understand
>how much we lost when the US Army closed SIMTEL20.

Please tell me what that means.  You haven't lost anything, other than
one program (Kermit) out of over 11,000 that are in the collection.  You
can still get Kermit from Columbia, so you haven't lost it either.

The reason the US Army closed SIMTEL20 was because it had a poor funding
model (does that sound familiar?).  I had to find a new home for the
collection and a new job to support my family.

There were many offers to house the collection but only two to house the
collection *and* to hire its archivist (me).  Both offers were from sites
that use the funding model of CD-ROM sales to support the collection and
its archivist.

Keith
--
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Internet: [e-mail]    or      [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct  8 20:40:55 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

:   PURCHASE THE APPROPRIATE MANUALS

...and lobby your local university bookstore to keep them in stock!

PS Frank and Joe, the Australian number for the publishers
should be written as +61 2 XXX XXXX. The extra zero before
the two gets you Hobart, Tasmania, instead of Sydney, New South
Wales.

--
Arthur Marsh, telephone [phone], fax [phone]
               [e-mail], [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Michael DeCosta III ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Hmmm....I know Columbia probably doesn't have the staff for this,
: but it sure sounds like a Kermit CD-ROM full of Kermits, Kermit utilities,
: scripts and manuals from Columbia could be a fund generator?

Sounds good and very logical. It would save on buying tapes, and if updated
with major releases (e.g. C-Kermit 5A 190) would save on FTPing.

--
Arthur Marsh, telephone [phone], fax [phone]
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can anyone out there tell me how to change IRQ's in Kermit 3.11.
i'm trying to tell it to recognize com4 at IRQ2.
thanks for any help




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In <36ua84$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Budi Rahardjo) writes:

>Is there a plan to add crash recovery mechanism in kermit protocol?
>This is the most important factor for me to use zmodem.

It is supported in C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA. You have to enable it with
a command and it is only for binary files. The Kermit people don't
like the automatic recovery funktion that is used in Zmodem. I belive
that this function is comming in MS-DOS Kermit as well.

--Bo Kullmar


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From: [e-mail] (Kaukasoina Petri)
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Yee Chang Lee wrote:

>I use Kermit and Telix, plus an Intel 144/144e 14.4k external model, to log
>into Columbia University's Unix server.  One place the difference in screen
>updating is very prominent is with my preferred editor, JOE.  Ctrl-K-H in
>JOE brings up a 10-line help window on the top of my screen.  I'm using
>Telix right now, and the window _flashes_ onto the screen, everything below
>the screen gets moved down enough to make room, etc.

One more suggestion to solve the problem: Maybe you setenv TERM vt100
in your unix account when you use Telix and vt320 when you use
MS-Kermit?  Make sure you set the same TERM type in both cases!  If the
termcap entry for vt320 is not optimal, your editor may have to redraw
the whole page instead of just moving a part of screen to make room.

-Petri

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: changing IRQ's
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In article <37bri9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ([e-mail]) writes:
> can anyone out there tell me how to change IRQ's in Kermit 3.11.
> i'm trying to tell it to recognize com4 at IRQ2.
> thanks for any help
------------
    In the fine manual, which I presume you have handy, is command
SET COMx port irq. Of course there is also the built-in "?" context sensitive
help available instantly.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (James Ward)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: set host
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I'm having problems getting MS-Kermit 3.13 to access my network when run
under Windows.  Here's my net stack:

\LSL.COM
C:\3C5X9.COM
lh ipxodi
netx
C:\PCTCP\ODIPKT.COM
C:\PCTCP\ETHDRV.EXE

What do I need to do to get kermit to do network things, set host, etc.


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From: [e-mail] (James Ward)
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Subject: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: Shiva LAN-rover
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I am trying to access a Shiva LAN-Rover with MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows.
I have the Shiva software set to redirect COM3, but I cannot convince Kermit
to use the port.  I have tried port Novell, COM3, etc.  Any ideas?

Procomm Plus for Windows works fine.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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    Now that the regulars have snuggled down in their chairs and
the lengthy greeting ceremonies seem to be drawing to an end I think
it's time for someone to consider being a Keeper of the FAQ for the
list.
    Most common query to-date is how to get max speed at max
vulnerablity. Other c.q.s are running on non-standard serial port
settings, where to find Kermits, what's this fine manual stuff anyway.
Prospective c.q.s are how to add settings for the next wave of cute
modems, binary versus text modes, reporting which Kermit and version
on each end, version numbers of the most widely used Kermits.
    There! I've done my part. Any volunteers keeping notes and
willing to maintain a FAQ?
        Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]> you wrote:
: In article <37bri9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ([e-mail]) writes:
: > can anyone out there tell me how to change IRQ's in Kermit 3.11.
: > i'm trying to tell it to recognize com4 at IRQ2.
: > thanks for any help
: ------------
:     In the fine manual, which I presume you have handy, is command
: SET COMx port irq. Of course there is also the built-in "?" context sensitive
: help available instantly.
:     Joe D.

I just helped my brother to setup a new modem.  We did this  all day to find a
way to get it to work.  Its:

set com4 <address> \2

Where address is the COM4 address.  You have to read your computer manual to
find it.  MSK guesses ours at \x02f8 or \x02e8.  But, ours can also be \x03e8
and \x03f8.

set com2 \x2f8 \3

works for us.

--
Fast Cart

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From: [e-mail] (chapman)
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There is a greyed-out menu option in Macintosh Kermit in the File menu
called

  Print Captured Text...

Can you tell me what this is, and if it's implemented?

- Gary Chapman, NYU

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Mac Kermit "capture"
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In article <37c2i6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (chapman) writes:
> There is a greyed-out menu option in Macintosh Kermit in the File menu
> called
>
>   Print Captured Text...
>
> Can you tell me what this is, and if it's implemented?
>
The only kind of printing currently supported by Mac Kermit is host-directed
printing, which occurs when the host sends VT100 "printer on" and "printer
off" sequences.

Thus the print menu is normally dimmed.  When the host sends:

  ESC [ 5 i  (or)   ESC [ ? 5 i   --  Turn on printer
  ...text...
  ESC [ 4 i  (or)   ESC [ ? 4 i   --  Turn off printer

The text between these two sequences is put into the "capture buffer".  When
the turn-off-printer sequence is received, the Print menu items become
undimmed and you can print the captured text.  There is a limit of about 32K
on the size of this text.

This type of printing is normally accomplished with a utility on the computer
that you have connected with Mac Kermit, such a "pcprint" UNIX shell script.

  NOTE: As of edit 190, the Print menus have changed somewhat, but the
  operation is substantially the same.  When transparent print material
  arrives, a box appears on the screen saying "Capturing text to be printed",
  and when the transparent print operation is complete, the "Print captured
  text" menu item is activated.  There is a new "Print..." item which is
  undimmed at all times, but apparently does not do anything.

Reportedly, host directed printing works better in 0.99(190) than in
earlier edits, but the print buffer is never cleared.

Hopefully, future releases of Mac Kermit will have additional printing
capabilities: print screen, print selection, log session to printer, etc.

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Maybe the \2 in the "set com4 <address> \2" works, but the exact syntax
doesn't call for it, i.e. it should be:

    set com4 \x2e8 2

2e8 being the most common choice for the com4 port address, but as the
previous poster suggests check the manual/jumper settings/dip-switch
settings to be sure.

- Max

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Maxwell Evarts                     [e-mail]
Kermit Distribution
Columbia University - AcIS         [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: set host
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In article <37ca41$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James Ward) writes:
> I'm having problems getting MS-Kermit 3.13 to access my network when run
> under Windows.  Here's my net stack:
>
> \LSL.COM
> C:\3C5X9.COM
> lh ipxodi
> netx
> C:\PCTCP\ODIPKT.COM
> C:\PCTCP\ETHDRV.EXE
>
> What do I need to do to get kermit to do network things, set host, etc.
-------------
    Let's walk through this to see what is happening, and then your
options will be clear.
    You are using Novell's ODI to manage the board. That's LSL followed
by the board ODI driver (MLID in ODI-speak). That forms the ODI handler.
IPXODI comes in as one ODI client, and then ODIPKT from FTP Inc comes in
as a second ODI client. So far so good. Netx uses IPXODI so we are not
concerned with it here. ETHDRV is FTP Inc's TCP/IP stack, and here is
where the complication begins.
    If you try to run Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack (SET PORT TCP/IP)
then you would be trying to load a second TCP/IP stack in parallel with
the first. That is fatal. Don't do it.
    So now, what to do constructively?

    Plan A: run Kermit on the top of Ethdrv, by using FTP Inc Telnet
module TNGLASS. See your FTP Inc documentation. For Kermit use SET PORT
BIOS1 to couple to the Int 14h interface provided by Tnglass. A sample
command line would be similar to
    tnglass -hhost.domain -c1 -ekermit.exe
which specfies the host, Bios port 1 for comms, and executes Kermit.exe
to be the terminal emulator.

    Plan B: unload both Ethdrv and Odipkt. Then run Kermit straight
over ODI. Use Kermit command SET PORT TCP/IP ... in this case.

    Of the two, the second is far faster and permits multiple Telnet
sessions. Choose the method which best suits your requirements. Note that
FTP Inc's ODIPKT uses ARP protocol for copy protection detection and Kermit
won't be able to use it and hence won't be able to do TCP/IP work. Harvard's
ODIPKT will work with both Ethdrv and Kermit, though Kermit needs it and
winpkt only when running in Windows.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit under Windows problems: Shiva LAN-rover
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In article <37ca8h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James Ward) writes:
> I am trying to access a Shiva LAN-Rover with MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows.
> I have the Shiva software set to redirect COM3, but I cannot convince Kermit
> to use the port.  I have tried port Novell, COM3, etc.  Any ideas?
>
> Procomm Plus for Windows works fine.
--------------
    There is a misunderstanding about what SET PORT COM3 does in Kermit.
It means go straight to the serial port hardware. The LAN-Rover is merely
creating an Int 14h Bios-like software interface, not a hardware one which
is impossible, and you should tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1 to couple to it.
    I'm guessing that is what Shiva has done because that is by far
the most common tactic in such cases. Your Shiva manual should say more.
    To counteract this confusion we've added some words to the
documentation for MSK v3.14 explaining the hardware vs Int 14h choices
more clearly.
    Now, one more guess then I'm done. If the modem provides a real
serial port on COM3 then that's not "redirection"; it is being a regular
modem. In that case either
    - the system provides the COM3 port address and Kermit has to
choose between IRQ 3 and 4 (since there is NO standard on COM3/4), or
    - you tell Kermit the port and IRQ via the SET COM3 port irq
command.
    Procomm makes plenty of macho assumptions without telling you
about it. Kermit does not play that roughly with your machine.
    We have a large amount of documentation talking about modems and
such as part of the distribution text set. Please go to kermit.columbia.edu,
cd kermit/a and get ms*.bwr, ms*.upd, and msr313.pch (all text files).
    Joe D.

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Maxwell E Evarts ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Maybe the \2 in the "set com4 <address> \2" works, but the exact syntax
: doesn't call for it, i.e. it should be:

:     set com4 \x2e8 2

: 2e8 being the most common choice for the com4 port address, but as the
: previous poster suggests check the manual/jumper settings/dip-switch
: settings to be sure.

: - Max

I'm using MSK 3.13, and when I type:

set comx \xxxx ?

It says:

Enter, or IRQ of port (ex: \3)

So, I did what it says.  *shrug*

--
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From: [e-mail] (Ken)
Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals
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In article <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner>, [e-mail] wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]> Ken Udut
> <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and
> > print a nice binder?
>
> Docs in a binder would be fine with me.  Unfortunately this doesn't
> seem to be the trend these days, even though there's a major difference
> in convenience of use..  Even just the pages (and I supply the binder)
> would suffice if cost or store shelf space are otherwise problems.
>
> Billy Y..
>

It's a pity too, since it's cheaper to print looseleaf pages
(either print on regular paper, or pre-punched 3 hole pages), and
handier).

Although one of the drawbacks is that the pages often get ripped,
etc., and bound books are more permenant(sp?)...

I have a Turbo Pascal 6 book that I used religiously to learn how
to program Pascal.  But as thick as it is, it is bound with paper
and glue binding.  Phooey - try staying open to the book on the first
or last 50 pages - nearly impossible without a large paperweight
holding it down, while typing!

Hopefully wirebound materials will foster more popularity as more
binding companies provide it.  Spiral Company is one of the biggest.

(note: I'm not talking about the plastic ring bound stuff, as they
aren't as nice to deal with as the wire-ringbound, like the classic
spiral notebooks)

--
Kenneth Udut                                          [e-mail]
Listowner of [e-mail] - discussion on the rights of kids/teens

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>Or am I thinking too wishfully about the "portableness" of C code?  :->

The problem isn't the fact that it is written in C, the problem is that when
it wants to actually do something (like talk to the serial port, or do
timeouts in the scripting language, etc) it does them in a U**x-like
way. Meanwhile the Win32 API, while able to do most of the things U**x can
do functionally, has a completely different philosophy about the way things
work (often a better philosophy, but certainly different :-).

Since I am more interested at this point in learning "the right way" to do
things in Win32, than I am in porting kermit, that's why I say I am unlikely
to do anything real soon.
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How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull.
I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with
errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP.
Any ideas?
TIA.
Ian Stirling.
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Actually I thought that platform independent code was kept in a file
specific to the new port. Ie. CKVTIO.C is the VAX terminal I/O code. Other
than that the functions those VAX specific calls get mapped to (ie. say:
CKERMIT_OUTPUT_SERIAL_PORT on a vax called VAX_OUTPUT_SERIAL_PORT )

and any limitations imposed by the CKERMIT_OUTPUT_SERIAL_PORT wrapper why should
there by a problem.

[e-mail]

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    In MS-DOS Kermit command line arguments which are numbers
can be expressed as 123 or \123 (decimal) or \x5c (hex) or \o67 (octal).
The backslash is used to inform the parser of a following numeric and of
the base of it. If there the context is unambiguous and the base is 10
then no backslash is necessary. But    echo Beep\7 to you guys   needs the
backslash to mean binary 7 in this case.
    Deep down in the code the number converter really wants a
leading backslash. In almost every place (excepting where I forgot)
in the program where a number is expected the code accepts one without
a backslash and the code prepends a missing one.
    Adding a backslash does no harm, but don't use two because,
starting in MSK 3.14 that means a literal backslash, as in C.
    Joe D.


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On 9 Oct 1994 23:23:52 -0400 Jerry Alexandratos wrote:

> Okay, now one of the things I really love about MS-Kermit, and have
> gotten rather used to using is the screen rollback feature.  Now, I
> know that this feature isn't implemented under C-Kermit, but my
> question is, does anyone out there know of a good way to emulate such a
> feature?  I'm looking for any type of answer, from using third-party
> programs, to nifty scripts, etc...

The general-all-purpose solution I've gone with is "screen", ftp-able
from prep.ai.mit.edu/pub/gnu, which is a character-based-terminal
screen manager.  It gives you scroll-back as well as a million
other life-saving features which I won't go into here, other than
if you've never heard of it and you work on a Unix-like system,
give it a look-over.

     Good luck
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[e-mail] writes:



>How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull.
>I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with
>errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP.
>Any ideas?

Telnet's 7-bit throughput is not friendly with Kermit transfers. If you can,
use rlogin instead of telnet. Otherwise, you may be able to tweak the
Kermit side to work better with telnet.

-Fozz

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From: [e-mail] (David Scholten)
Subject: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out???
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This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this.  But I
am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial
out from my BSDI 1.1 based box.  The problems are similar in nature:

kermit:  when I set the line, it either hangs or get a "communications
disconnected message"  That is all!

taylor:  when trying to dial out, I get a read/write error to the port.


Now, I did discover that if I do an stty -f/dev/tty01 clocal, then taylor
will dial out.  But this only works 75% of the time.  If somebody logs in,
then I have to redo the clocal.  The clocal doesn't seem to do anything for
kermit.  Are all these problems related to the getty running on BSD???

thanks for any help,
Dave Scholten

(please send email responses if possible)


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From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
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In article <3774gn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
>
>:-Date: Sat, 8 Oct 1994 20:02:08 +0100
>:-From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
>:-To: [e-mail]
>:-Subject: Re: Kermit distribution

Posting a privately mailed message to the net news is an *extremely* low
class thing to do.  I am shocked that someone who claims to be such an
experienced and knowledgeable person would stoop to such a thing.

jw

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>>However, the absolute low point so far has been reached when people
>>start saying "Please tell us all exactly what the legal and financial
>>restrictions you are working under are, so we can suggest ways to get
>>around them."
>
>Guess I missed that one.  What I saw was more like people asking what
>exactly the restrictions are so they can stay within them.

In message <[e-mail]>, posted by [e-mail]

>What are these detailed organizational and legal constraints under which
>you operate which supposedly prevent you from simply charging for support
>or implementing other solutions which seem to make a lot more sense than
>restricting distribution?
>
>Perhaps if you spelled them out so that we can all understand
>these barriers then we could all creatively figure out a way around them.

jw

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In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols
the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This,
I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in
later versions?
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From: [e-mail] (Volkmar grote)
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[e-mail] (Keith Petersen) writes:

> [e-mail] (Steven W. Layten) writes:
>>I agree with Frank -- putting Kermit on a CD-ROM and distributing to more
>>and more persons without a way to pick up funding for the support is
>>likely to kill the Kermit effort.
>
> It wouldn't kill the operation if Columbia offered their own CD-ROM.  If
> it included the complete documentation it would sell like hotcakes.  The
> proceeds of that would fund the entire Kermit operation.  They sell
> 9-track tapes - why not CD-ROMs?

I would love it. I still miss my 1/2" tape drive and the TK50.

The debate seems to turn constructive :-|

Volkmar
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
> In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols
> the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This,
> I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in
> later versions?
>
No, it's not a joke.  Without overstating the obvious, answerback messages
pose a certain security risk.

- Frank

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In article <37f525$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Fozziliny
Moo) writes:
> [e-mail] writes:
> >How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull.
> >I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with
> >errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP.
> >Any ideas?
>
> Telnet's 7-bit throughput is not friendly with Kermit transfers. If you
> can, use rlogin instead of telnet. Otherwise, you may be able to tweak the
> Kermit side to work better with telnet.
>
I think the question was "how do you do it?".  The answer is: use Kermit's
TELNET command.  Or if we are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, use the SET
PORT TCP <host> command.  It's all in the documentation.  In case this is
not clear: use Kermit *instead of* Telnet.

As far as performance is concerned, it varies.  On some connections I get
effective file transfer rates of about 1MB/sec, on others (e.g. cross-
country or international connections during busy times), much lower.  As
usual, there are many, many variables.  Also, not all TELNET connections
are 7-bit.  Try normal file transfer settings, and use long packets and
a big window size; tell both Kermits to SET FLOW NONE since TCP and IP
handle flow control themselves quite nicely.  If it doesn't work, then you
probably do have a 7-bit connection, in which case tell Kermit to SET
PARITY SPACE.

If you are talking about "Kermit in the middle", in CONNECT mode between
two other systems, then (a) be sure you tell this "middle" Kermit to
SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 and SET COMMAND BYTESIZE, and (b) be sure you are
using version 5A(190), which performs much better in this situation than
previous releases.

One of the big plusses of Kermit software is that the same program works
uniformly over serial and network connections -- script programming and all.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David Scholten)
writes:
> This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this.  But I
> am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial
> out from my BSDI 1.1 based box.  The problems are similar in nature:
>
If there is a getty running on the same tty device, shut it down before
attempting to dial out.  Then, if desired, put it back after your dialout
session is finished.

The best way to do this is to wrap Kermit in a shell script that does
whatever your system requires in order to shut down and restart getty on
a device.  As you might imagine, details vary wildly from one UNIX
implementation to the next, from one release of the same UNIX implementation
to the next.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols
>the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This,
>I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in
>later versions?

Well, I don't use the Enq (Control-E) anymore but I used to, a few years
back, on a favorite TBBS board.

If you set a username/password in MS-Kermit, I *believe* that is what the
Control-E received from the host will send out.


Ken
[e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols
> the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This,
> I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in
> later versions?
------------
    Depends upon whom pranks are played. Answerback is a nice way of
being sucked into someone else's prank when the answerback string is not
quite what you wanted. We try to avoid this spontaneous suprize by canning
the response and letting the user turn it on or off. The most common use
of answerback was stashing passwords, and that is generally regarded as
not a wise thing to do.
    My advice is forget that answerback ever existed.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <37f525$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo) writes:
> [e-mail] writes:
>
>
>
>>How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull.
>>I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with
>>errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP.
>>Any ideas?
>
> Telnet's 7-bit throughput is not friendly with Kermit transfers. If you can,
> use rlogin instead of telnet. Otherwise, you may be able to tweak the
> Kermit side to work better with telnet.
------------
    I think I need to make three corrections here.
    First, Kermit works fine simulating an 8-bit comms channel over
a 7-bit channel, by design.
    Second, Telnet is almost always an 8-bit channel these days, needing
only doubling of IAC (\255) or Kermit prefixing of \255 to prevent unwanted
Options stuff. Rlogin is a different animal than Telnet, with its own
protocol requirements. Some rlogins are easy to get along with and forgive
the protocol omissions, others aren't. And, as most of us know, rlogin is
a fat security hole.
    The reader above is perhaps confusing telnet and rlogin facilities
peculiar to Telebit Netblazer modem pools, rather than Unix capabilities.
    Third, I think the original question was how to start a Telnet
session with C Kermit. The answers are a) read the fine manual and release
documentation, and b) give command Telnet host  on modern C Kermits. We don't
know which version of C Kermit and which Unix you are running so we will pause
to see if you have enough information now.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Intel Modem Script for MS-DOS Kermit
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A copy of a manual for the "Intel High-Speed Faxmodem" showed up here
recently.  This is a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis + MNP etc internal data/fax
modem for PCs.  Based on the info in manual, the following dialing
script is postulated, but completely untested, for MS-DOS Kermit.
Questions:

 1. Does it work on the "Intel High-Speed Faxmodem"?

 2. Does it also work on the Intel Satisfaxion modem?

 3. Does the modem indeed "autobaud" at 57600 bps for AT commands?

Please reply to me personally, rather than to the list.  Thanks!

---(cut here)---
; FILE INTEL14.SCR
;
; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the Intel High-Speed Internal
; Faxmodem, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later.  The modem is set up
; for compression, error correction, all types of fallback.  RTS/CTS flow
; control, fixed interface speed of 57600 or 38400.
;
def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures.
if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.}

define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1
define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1

; Macro to try to get attention of modem's command processor
; at the given speed, or if no speed given, at the current speed.
;
define atok -
 if not def \%1 assign \%1 \v(speed), -
 set speed \%1, -
 echo Trying \%1..., -
 output ATQ0V1\13, -
 input 3 OK, -
 end \v(status)

set input echo on        ; So we can watch what happens.
set input timeout proceed       ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE.
set input case ignore        ; Use caseless string comparisons

set parity none            ; Avoid parity foulups
set flow none            ; Avoid flow control deadlocks
hangup                ; Begin by dropping DTR
pause 1                ; for one second

atok 57600            ; Autobaud...
if fail atok 38400
if fail atok 19200
if fail atok 9600
if fail stop 1 Can't get modem's attention.

output AT E1&C1&D2&S0X4\92V2\13 ; Echoing, result codes, etc.
chkok {Can't initialize modem}

echo Configuring Intel Faxmodem...
out ATB1+FCLASS=0 S7=85 S25=50\13
chkok {Can't set data modulation}
echo Enabling hardware flow control...
output AT \92\G0\92Q3\13
chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS}
set flow rts/cts
echo Configuring modem to ignore BREAK...
output AT Y0\92K1\13
chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK}
echo Enabling error correction and data compression...
output AT \92J0\92N3%C1"H3\13
chkok {Can't enable compression EC and fallback}

if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN
echo Modem initialization complete, no number to dial
end 0

:BEGIN                ; Now DIAL.
clear                ; Clear INPUT buffer.
set count 5                     ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed.
echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait...
echo
pause 1
goto dial                       ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message

:REDIAL
set alarm 30
pause 30            ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing.
if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.}
echo Redialing...               ; Message for redialing.
pause 1

:DIAL
output ATD\%1\13                ; Dial the number.
set alarm 90            ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.)
clear input            ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer.
input 30 \10                    ; Wait for the linefeeds...

:GETMSG
input 60 \10            ; ...that surround the response message.
if success goto gotmsg        ; Got a message.
if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds.
hangup                ; User interrupted from keyboard,
output \13            ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return,
goto again            ; and go try again right away.

:GOTMSG
reinput 1 CONNECT               ; Got a message, was it CONNECT?
if success goto done            ; If so, we're done.
reinput 1 BUSY            ; Line is busy.
if success goto busy        ; Go wait a while and then dial again.
reinput 1 ERROR            ; Command syntax error.
if success errfail {Dialing command error}
reinput 1 NO CARRIER        ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier.
if success errfail {No carrier}
reinput 1 NO ANSWER        ; No answer
if success errfail {No answer}
reinput 1 NO DIALTONE        ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook.
if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone
line\63}
goto getmsg            ; None of the above, get another message.

:BUSY
if < \v(count) 2 goto quit    ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up.
Echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds
echo Press any key to cancel...
output \13            ; CR cancels dialing
hangup                          ; Hang up.
:AGAIN
if count goto redial            ; Then go redial.
:QUIT
errfail {It never answers!  I give up.} ; Too many tries.

:DONE                           ; Connected.
echo \7                         ; Celebrate with a beep.
define errfail            ; Erase local macro definitions...
define _modcmd
end 0                ; Finished, return success code.

:FAIL                ; Dialing failed, no beep.
define errfail            ; Erase local macro definitions...
define _modcmd
end 1                ; Return failure code.

; End of INTEL14.SCR

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Subject: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem
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Greetings,

I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal
AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem.  I am surprised by this since the
Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport
specific dialing script.  I presume that if others have had
difficulties with the script, the script would have been corrected by
now.  However, I don't know if this is the case, and so I'm writing to
see if others are having the same problem I have had (if not, it could
just be that my modem is defective and I'd like to get some evidence to
this effect so AT&T will replace the unit).

Here are the details:  The modem responds and dials fine if I "connect"
and issue AT commands by hand.  However when I attempt to dial a number
via the 'dial' command along with the DATAPORT.SCR script that comes
with Kermit (version 3.13), I get the following error message:

    No DSR signal - check your modem and cable

According to the script, this message is being generated because a
"wait 0 DSR" command has failed immediately following a command that
sets the port speed.  If I modify the script to pause for a longer
period of time between setting the speed and requiring the DSR signal,
then the script continues on successfully. However, it fails again when
it reaches the following lines:

    set flow rts/cts
    output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13
    chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback}

If I insert a pause between the 'set flow...' command and the
'output...' command, then all is ok, but otherwise the modem doesn't
accept the "AT..." command.  With these two pauses in place, everything
else works fine.

According to the various kermit help files, this type of behavior is
indicative of a "modem problem". However, if there really is a "problem"
with this line of modems, I would expect that the DATAPORT.SCR script
would have the appropriate pauses to take this poor behavior into account.

So, have any of you had similar problems, or heard of such problems, with the
internal version of this modem?   If you haven't had problems with it,
I'd also like to know so I can get AT&T to replace mine.

The modem, incidentally, is being used in a Compaq Deskpro 386/20, with the
standard COM2=2F8h, and no apparent IRQ or other conflicts within the machine.

Thanks for the help,

Michael Braverman
[e-mail]

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem
Date: 12 Oct 1994 23:11:37 GMT
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In article <37hm8c$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Michael Braverman) writes:
> I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal
> AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem.  I am surprised by this since the
> Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport
> specific dialing script...
>
Thanks for the report.  If anybody else has had these problems, they have
not reported them.  The first problem "wait 0 dsr" resulting in "please
turn on or connect your modem", means your modem is not asserting DSR.
I think the world must have changed in the last year or two, because DSR
used to mean "I'm turned on and you can use me".  Evidently this is no
longer the default on some modems.  Solution: just remove these WAIT 0
statements from the script.

As to needing a pause after SET FLOW RTS/CTS, maybe the thing to do here
is "wait 5 cts" -- this should make Kermit wait up to five seconds for
CTS to appear, but in any case no longer than necessary.  If it does not
appear after five seconds, we've got a problem anyway!  Please try this
amended script and let me know if it's OK:
---(cut)---
; FILE DATAPORT.SCR (MSMDATAP.SCR)
;
; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the AT&T / Paradyne Dataport
; 14400 modem, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.11 or later.  The modem is set
; for V.32bis, compression, error correction, all types of fallback, RTS/CTS
; flow control, fixed interface speed of 57600 or 38400.
;
; Rename this file to DATAPORT.SCR if necessary.
;
; To use: SET MODEM=DATAPORT (in DOS, before starting Kermit)
; or:     DEFINE _MODEM DATAPORT (in Kermit, before dialing)
; and:    Make sure Kermit executes the standard MSKERMIT.INI file.
;
; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz; Columbia U, September 1993
; Revised Oct 94.
;
def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures.
if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.}

define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1
define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1

set input echo on        ; So we can watch what happens.
set input timeout proceed       ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE.
set input case ignore        ; Use caseless string comparisons

set parity none            ; Avoid parity foulups
set flow none            ; Avoid flow control deadlocks
hangup                ; Begin by dropping DTR
pause 1                ; for one second

; Speed.  Don't worry about modem, it autobauds up to 57600 bps.
; NOTE: This modem doesn't seem to have a command for locking the
; interface speed.  But it seems to do it anyway.
;
set speed 57600            ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use
it.
if fail set speed 38400        ; If not, use 38400.

echo Configuring AT&T DataPort on \v(line).

:INIT
output ATQ0V1\13        ; Enable word result codes
chkok {Can't get modem's attention}
; X6 = Verbose result codes, show modulation speed
; &C1 = CD follows RS232
; &D2 = DTR follows RS232
; &Q0 = Asynchronous data mode, use AT command set
; S84=0 = Normal ERROR response to bad commands
output AAAT E1 X6 &C1 &D2 &Q0 S84=0\13
chkok {Can't initialize modem}
output AT \92Q3\13        ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control
chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS}    ; On modem
wait 5 cts
if fail {Modem is not asserting CTS!}
set flow rts/cts        ; And in Kermit too, but only now
output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 ; Modulation = V.32bis with fallback
chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback}
output AT \92N7%C1\13        ; Compression and EC enabled
chkok {Can't enable compression and EC}
output AT \92K5\13        ; Make modem pass BREAK transparently
chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK}

if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN
echo Modem initialization complete, no number to dial
end 0

:BEGIN                ; Now DIAL.
clear                ; Clear INPUT buffer.
set count 5                     ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed.
echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait...
echo
pause 1
goto dial                       ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message

:REDIAL
set alarm 30
pause 30            ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing.
if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.}
echo Redialing...               ; Message for redialing.
pause 1

:DIAL
output ATD\%1\13                ; Dial the number.
set alarm 90            ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.)
if > VERSION 312 clear input    ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer.
if < VERSION 313 clear
input 30 \10                    ; Wait for the linefeeds...

:GETMSG
input 60 \10            ; ...that surround the response message.
if success goto gotmsg        ; Got a message.
if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds.
hangup                ; User interrupted from keyboard,
output \13            ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return,
goto again            ; and go try again right away.

:GOTMSG
reinput 1 CONNECT               ; Got a message, was it CONNECT?
if success goto done            ; If so, we're done.
reinput 1 BUSY            ; Line is busy.
if success goto busy        ; Go wait a while and then dial again.
reinput 1 ERROR            ; Command syntax error.
if success errfail {Dialing command error}
reinput 1 NO CARRIER        ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier.
if success errfail {No answer or no carrier}
reinput 1 NO ANSWER        ; No answer
if success errfail {No answer - try again later}
reinput 1 NO DIALTONE        ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook.
if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone
line\63}
goto getmsg            ; None of the above, get another message.

:BUSY
if < \v(count) 2 goto quit    ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up.
Echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds.
echo Press any key to cancel...
output \13            ; CR cancels dialing
hangup                          ; Hang up.
:AGAIN
if count goto redial            ; Then go redial.
:QUIT
errfail {It never answers!  I give up.} ; Too many tries.

:DONE                           ; Connected.
echo \7                         ; Celebrate with a beep.
define errfail            ; Erase local macro definitions...
end 0                ; Finished, return success code.

:FAIL                ; Dialing failed, no beep.
define errfail            ; Erase local macro definitions...
end 1                ; Return failure code.

; End of DATAPORT.SCR

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem
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In article <37hm8c$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Braverman) writes:
> Greetings,
>
> I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal
> AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem.  I am surprised by this since the
> Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport
> specific dialing script.  I presume that if others have had
> difficulties with the script, the script would have been corrected by
> now.  However, I don't know if this is the case, and so I'm writing to
> see if others are having the same problem I have had (if not, it could
> just be that my modem is defective and I'd like to get some evidence to
> this effect so AT&T will replace the unit).
>
> Here are the details:  The modem responds and dials fine if I "connect"
> and issue AT commands by hand.  However when I attempt to dial a number
> via the 'dial' command along with the DATAPORT.SCR script that comes
> with Kermit (version 3.13), I get the following error message:
>
>     No DSR signal - check your modem and cable
>
> According to the script, this message is being generated because a
> "wait 0 DSR" command has failed immediately following a command that
> sets the port speed.  If I modify the script to pause for a longer
> period of time between setting the speed and requiring the DSR signal,
> then the script continues on successfully. However, it fails again when
> it reaches the following lines:
>
>     set flow rts/cts
>     output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13
>     chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback}
>
> If I insert a pause between the 'set flow...' command and the
> 'output...' command, then all is ok, but otherwise the modem doesn't
> accept the "AT..." command.  With these two pauses in place, everything
> else works fine.
    <rest omitted>
    Frank has a much fuller response. But I'll make a guess that the
modem is of the kind with is unusually slow to respond after making
certain changes. The RTS/CTS problem looks that way, and so does the DSR
item. We've heard of cases where a command string, say ATDT blah, needs
to go out very slowly (down to four characters per second) or characters
are dropped. For this purpose we added command SET OUTPUT PACING <millisec>.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail]
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Date: 12 Oct 94 22:15:02 EST
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The discussion on "ring-bound" manuals reminded me of a tour I
once took of a publishing house.  They showed us a video on the
book production process.  Pages are pasted up in groups of 8
per side, and printed on roll fed offset presses.  Folding and
trimming follows, resulting in "signatures" of 16 pages.  These
are glued with the other signatures of the book to a binding.

I asked about ring/loose leaf.  What they do is take the glued
signatures comprising the book, punch the ring binder holes,
then cut off the glued binging.  It is these extra operations
which make mass produced ring binding more expensive.

Hope this helps.

Gerry Belanger


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From: [e-mail]
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In article <37hqf9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> I think the world must have changed in the last year or two, because DSR
> used to mean "I'm turned on and you can use me".  Evidently this is no
> longer the default on some modems.  Solution: just remove these WAIT 0
> statements from the script.

VMS has always thought that DSR means "I've picked up the phone; get ready
for carrier". If the modem asserts DSR and doesn't assert CD within about
30 seconds or so, VMS assumes that it got a voice call and deasserts DTR
to tell the modem to hang up the phone.

Needless to say, this causes lots of extra traffic in comp.os.vms as
folks with PC modems try to get them running with VMS...
--
----------------+------------------------------------------------------
Roger Ivie      | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as
[e-mail] |     'obsolete-ready'

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Shair)
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[e-mail] writes:

>I am a new user of PC-Kermit ver 3.11.  I want to know if anybody has a script
>file that will make the modem redial?
>
Not exactly a script file.  How about a one word command?

define go dial 18005551212, while failure {dial 18005551212}, echo \7Made it!\7, connect

Then I can just say
go

and the computer rings the bell when the connection is made.

Actually, with my modem the second command is
while failure {dial L},
because ATDL dials the last number.  Don't know if that's universal, though.

I'm using C Kermit.  I presume the command language for PC Kermit is similar.
--

Bob Shair                          [e-mail]
Open Systems Specialist           SHAIR@UIUCVMD (bitnet)
Champaign, Illinois           217/356-2684

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From: [e-mail] (Arcell B. Frazier)
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <37f525$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo) writes:
: > [e-mail] writes:
: >
: >
: >
: >>How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull.
: >>I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with
: >>errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP.
: >>Any ideas?

As well as what was said before, if you use C-kermit, the command:

set host <host address>

will work.  I've done it a few time last week.  For instance:

set host compuserve.com

Works.  Then, to connect just:

c

and it connects you to CompuServe.
--
Fast Cart

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From: [e-mail] (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT)
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How do you make Command files? under the File menu, there's an option to Take
Command File. when i first got an ancient version of MacKermit, it came with
a script to automatically dial up the terminal server here on campus and one
to disconnect. these were supposed to be loaded using this option and seemed
to work fine, even after i changed them to just dial numbers i wanted.
however, now they don't work anymore, not even the original versions! i'm not
sure if it's because i upgraded to a newer version of MacKermit (0.991(190)),
or because i just got system 7, but i now get "application 'unknown' has
unexpectedly quit due to error number 28" or somesuch... so, is there a way of
making a working command file? and a related question - can i load the
terminal settings at the same time as the commnad file? either by including
an instruction in the script to load the terminal settings or somehow
combining the two files?

Thanx,
-Smoke.

-- bye!  :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
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Subject: Re: How can I speed up screen updates in Kermit?
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) says:

>In article <37ae26$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>>
>> In a previous article, [e-mail] (Yee Chang Lee) says:
>>
>>>I use Kermit on my little Tandy XT clone, and I like it a lot.  I also use
>>>Telix.  Now, Telix is noticeably faster on screen updates than Kermit.
>>>
>>>What can I do to increase screen updates in Kermit?  Kermit _is_ writing to
>>>hardware, not BIOS.
>>>
>>>Any other ideas?
>>
>> Try:
>>
>> SET KERMIT=INPUT 2048
>>
>> before starting Kermit.
>>
>> If this increases your screen updates put it in a batch file with your
>> Kermit invocation.
>-------------
>    Huh? INPUT is a script command; the one above enlarges the buffer
>used by the INPUT command. Terminal emulation (Connect mode) is not related
>to script commands; it has no association with the INPUT buffer.
>    But thanks for assisting.
>        Joe D.
>

I should have added more to that reply. I find most people are using
Package Script menu programs like EasyKermit and are not cognicent of
exactly what mode they are in when the screen updates "seem" slow.
That's why I said try it and see.

I will admit that I have had some confusion as to whether this
effects connect mode when you connect from a script.

I believe your answer clears this up for me.

Thank you, Joe and I apologize for my brevity and lack of illumination.

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Sender: [e-mail] (Bertil Schou)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>  My recent assertion that Kermit takes its name from the Muppet
>has been challenged.
>
>  Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no
>explanation of the acronym was given.
>
>  Can we get an official answer from Frank da Cruz?
>
>  Thank you.
>
>[e-mail]


Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer
Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3:

"3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when
we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming
sort of character." ...


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Ciaraldi)
Subject: REPOST: Kermit over WinSock?
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[ My apologies if anyone sees this twice. Problems with the news
software here seem to have prevented it from going out]

I am using NetManage Chameleon to set up a SLIP link
from my PC to a Unix machine. It works fine with the included
telnet program, but I was wondering if I could run Kermit
over this TCP connection.

From reading the manual,
I know that MS-DOS Kermit can run through a variety
of connections beyond straight serial through a UART,
things like NetBIOS, EBIOS, etc. But as far as I can tell
from the Chameleon documentation, the only interface it supports
is WinSock, which is not listed as supported by Kermit.

Does anyone have any ideas or experience on this?
Is WinSock support coming in version 3.14?

Thanks.

--Mike Ciaraldi

P.S. I like the new Kermit icon. But what is that
grey rectangle in the lower right, next to his collar?
Is that the horizon line?




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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
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Subject: The MSKermit Book
Date: 13 Oct 1994 14:27:13 GMT
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Could the people who have found establishments carrying the Kermit
book please post the names of those stores (Book, Computer or other)
where they found it?

Would a college or university book store be more likely to have it?

Does Digital Press plan on perusing this newsgroup or could someone
who knows someone suggest that it might not be a bad marketing move
to at least lurk around here from time to time?

In case it isn't obvious, I have a looooooooooong list of establishments
where the book isn't.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>The discussion on "ring-bound" manuals reminded me of a tour I
>once took of a publishing house.  They showed us a video on the
>book production process.  Pages are pasted up in groups of 8
>per side, and printed on roll fed offset presses.  Folding and
>trimming follows, resulting in "signatures" of 16 pages.  These
>are glued with the other signatures of the book to a binding.
>
>I asked about ring/loose leaf.  What they do is take the glued
>signatures comprising the book, punch the ring binder holes,
>then cut off the glued binging.  It is these extra operations
>which make mass produced ring binding more expensive.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Gerry Belanger
>


*Wow*!  Thanks Gerry :-)  I had always thought ring binding would be
about the same - I had no idea that they glue-bound the books ANYWAY, and
*then* chopped the ends off...

Pretty neat if you ask me! ;-)

Ken, feeling more knowledgeable today than yesterday... :)
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
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Subject: Hangup and Z100 MSKermit 3.13
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MSKermit 3.13 has this weird artifact where if you use the hangup
command in a script or from the MSKERMIT prompt it doesn't reset
DTR correctly. However from Connect mode's ^] menu "H" performs
hangup correctly.

I have gotten arround this in scripts by defining my own hangup
macro that uses the Hayes AT command "+++" to hangup.

I wanted to pass this work-around to any other Z100 MSKermit 3.13
users.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: The MSKermit Book
Date: 13 Oct 94 12:25:22 EST
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In article <37jg41$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>
> Could the people who have found establishments carrying the Kermit
> book please post the names of those stores (Book, Computer or other)
> where they found it?
>
> Would a college or university book store be more likely to have it?
That's how I got my copies.  The Kermit books also carry
Prentice-Hall ISBN numbers, and can be ordered by any bookstore.
Using MS-DOS Kermit, 2nd ed, 0-13-952276-X.
Using C-Kermit, 0-13-037490-3.

Obvoiusly, buying direct from Columbia helps support the Kermit effort
a little more.

Gerry Belanger


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Ciaraldi) writes:
> [ My apologies if anyone sees this twice. Problems with the news
> software here seem to have prevented it from going out]
>
> I am using NetManage Chameleon to set up a SLIP link
> from my PC to a Unix machine. It works fine with the included
> telnet program, but I was wondering if I could run Kermit
> over this TCP connection.
>
> From reading the manual,
> I know that MS-DOS Kermit can run through a variety
> of connections beyond straight serial through a UART,
> things like NetBIOS, EBIOS, etc. But as far as I can tell
> from the Chameleon documentation, the only interface it supports
> is WinSock, which is not listed as supported by Kermit.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas or experience on this?
> Is WinSock support coming in version 3.14?
------------
    I think we need to explain winsock et al again. Winsock is a pure
Windows support program (a spec, vendors make their own programs obeying
the winsock spec), it cannot run at DOS level, and by itself it does nothing.
Only pure Windows applications can talk to this Windows winsock support
program. Beneath the winsock api level is someone's Windows TCP/IP protocol
stack and whatever they choose to do about attaching to a lan adapter board.
Above the winsock api level are many applications which are dependent on
the winsock TCP/IP stack to communicate anywhere at all. Again, this is 100%
Windows-only stuff (not to mention 16-bit vs 32-bit Windows-only differences).
    Kermit is a smart DOS program with Windows awareness, but it is not
a pure Windows program. It's not a TCP/IP stack which can be taken out and
used for other purposes. It is a complete program (TCP/IP stack, Kermit
protocol stack, applications, you name it) all in itself. Thus it is not
associated with winsock.
    If your work requires a winsock compatible TCP/IP stack then please
look around at the many commerical offerings.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: The MSKermit Book
Date: 13 Oct 1994 18:10:42 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
> In article <37jg41$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Michael DeCosta III) writes:
> >
> > Could the people who have found establishments carrying the Kermit
> > book please post the names of those stores (Book, Computer or other)
> > where they found it?
> >
> > Would a college or university book store be more likely to have it?
> That's how I got my copies.  The Kermit books also carry
> Prentice-Hall ISBN numbers, and can be ordered by any bookstore.
> Using MS-DOS Kermit, 2nd ed, 0-13-952276-X.
> Using C-Kermit, 0-13-037490-3.
>
> Obvoiusly, buying direct from Columbia helps support the Kermit effort
> a little more.
>
Yes, Kermit books can be ordered direct from Columbia (see below).

The confusion with the bookstores came about because the original Digital
Press, which was part of Digital Equipment Corporation, was divested by
Digital and bought out by Butterworth-Heinemann, which in turn is a "member
of the Reed Elsevier Group".  Unfortunately, most bookstores do not know
about this yet.  When they run out of Kermit books and go back to Prentice
Hall (distributor for the original Digital Press, but not for Butterworths)
(confusing?) to redorder, they are told that the book is "out of print"
and are not referred to Butterworths.  We have been trying to get this
situation rectified, but I have no concrete proof that matters have improved.

Bookstores should contact Butterworth Heinemann / Digital Press, 225 Wildwood
Street, Woburn, MA  01801, USA, phone [phone].  Individuals can
also order by calling this toll-free number.

The Prentice Hall ISBN numbers are no longer valid.  The valid ISBNs are:

  "Using MS-DOS Kermit"                1-55558-082-3
  "Using C-Kermit"                     1-55558-108-0
  "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol"   0-932376-88-6

Similarly, DEC order number (EY-xxxx-DP) are no longer valid and the books
can no longer be ordered from DECdirect.

Butterworth Heinemann overseas phone numbers are:

  [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
  [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
  [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
  [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

You can order direct from Columbia by calling [phone] or by
sending in an order form.  Send e-mail to [e-mail] for
further information.

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Hangup and Z100 MSKermit 3.13
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In article <37jh8f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>
> MSKermit 3.13 has this weird artifact where if you use the hangup
> command in a script or from the MSKERMIT prompt it doesn't reset
> DTR correctly. However from Connect mode's ^] menu "H" performs
> hangup correctly.
>
> I have gotten arround this in scripts by defining my own hangup
> macro that uses the Hayes AT command "+++" to hangup.
>
> I wanted to pass this work-around to any other Z100 MSKermit 3.13
> users.
----------
    Which comms ports, what kind of modem, what does "correctly"
mean in this case?
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta Ready
Date: 13 Oct 1994 21:04:43 GMT
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See announcement in comp.protocols.kermit and/or
comp.protocols.kermit.announce.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ron Ratzlaff)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Problem: VT100 "print through"
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 1994 16:16:29
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I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX.  I have
Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions.  The problem
is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to
make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters
are missing from the resulting print out.  There appears to be
something wrong in the handshake somewhere.  It is especially noticeable when
I'm trying to make a plot.

Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters?

Any help appreciated.  I'm using Kermit ver 3.13 for MS-DOS.

Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through"
Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:10:05 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Ron Ratzlaff) writes:
> I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX.  I have
> Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions.  The problem
> is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to
> make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters
> are missing from the resulting print out.  There appears to be
> something wrong in the handshake somewhere.  It is especially noticeable
> when I'm trying to make a plot.
>
What kind of printer is it?  Is it a serial or parallel printer?  Is it
a graphics printer?

Parallel printers should not lose characters.  It is possible, however,
that Kermit itself is losing incoming characters if an effective means
of flow control (RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff) is not enabled.  The latter is
much better, but you still have to worry about what happens on the VMS
system, which does not support Xon/Xoff.  What is the remote modem
connected to?  A VAX port?  A LAT box?  Some other kind of terminal
server?

Since you say you are making plots, maybe you have some kind of graphics
printer driver installed?

As you can see, there are many variables here.  But in general the key is
to have the most effective possible means of flow control enabled at EVERY
POINT along the communication path: the remote mode, the port/device/driver
the remote modem is connected to; the local modem, the PC's serial port,
the printer port, the printer itself, and even the connection between the
two modems (this happens automatically if it is an error-corrected
connection).  And VMS itself (SET TERMINAL /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC).

As you can also see, most of these items are outside of Kermit's control.

Who said data communication was easy?

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through"
Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:18:49 GMT
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In article <37kb7t$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Frank da Cruz) writes:
> Parallel printers should not lose characters.  It is possible, however,
> that Kermit itself is losing incoming characters if an effective means
> of flow control (RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff) is not enabled.  The latter is
                                                             ^^^^^^
Oops, I meant:                                               former

> much better, but you still have to worry about what happens on the VMS
> system, which does not support Xon/Xoff.  What is the remote modem
                                 ^^^^^^^^
Oops, I meant:                   RTS/CTS

Too much coffee...

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts
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Michael Braverman's question about the AT&T Dataport dialing script
has prompted me to offer the following observations on the current
batch of MS-Kermit dialing scripts.  Currently I patch all the scripts
to suit my own preferences so partly this note is in hopes that Columbia
will see things my way and incorporate some of these suggestions into
their standard distribution.  :-)  There's also a question or two buried
in the following that I'd like answered.  And lastly, I hope others
working with these scripts may find a useful idea or two.  Sorry the post
is so long.

1. I've found that HAYES.SCR dies with some modems because the code at
   GOTMSG executes before the full CONNECT message is back.  For example,
   with a GVC 9600, the modem only has time to deliver CONNE before the
   dialing script compares the response to CONNECT.  The comparison fails,
   and the script stops with "No dialtone or no answer.  Try again later."
   I first solved this by adding a PAUSE 2 before the comparison.  Yesterday,
   a student told me he solved it by changing "reinput 0 connect" to
   "reinput 2 connect".  Page 219 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" says the timeout
   interval on the reinput command is ignored.  Line 1434 of KERMIT.BWR says
   "If the REINPUT command fails to find the requested text in the INPUT
   command buffer, it will wait (up to the timeout interval) for more
   characters to arrive from the communication channel."  Ok, so, after
   waiting for the timeout, does REINPUT make the comparison again?  Or
   perhaps REINPUT recognizes that the initial substring is a match and
   so is willing to wait for more characters?  If so, I can adopt my
   student friend's solution which  is more elegant than pausing in every case.
   If not, then why does changing the timeout interval to 2 work?  In any
   case, I suggest the standard HAYES.SCR should be changed to account
   for these slow modems.

2. I find the noise level of the scripts irritating.  (In my opinion) they
   should not automatically set input echo on.  Similarly, the scripts that
   echo messages like, "Enabling hardware flow control", etc., are giving
   feedback that is not useful to the average user.  True, this may be a
   matter of taste.  My preference is for all this feedback to be controlled
   by a noiselevel setting that is 0 (silent) by default.  Increasing the
   noiselevel variable increases the feedback.

3. The number of redials and the pause between redials should be controlled
   by variables rather than hardcoded into the dialing scripts.

4. The dialing scripts should not automatically set parity to none since
   that overrides the parity setting in the dialing directory.

5. Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE
   speed as high as the modem will allow.  I may be on shaky ground here
   but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems.  And
   for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing
   directory be respected.

6. I wonder if HAYES.SCR might be patched to automatically "set output pacing"
   if the initial contact fails.  Again, those with more experience may
   convince me this is a bad idea.  (I'm looking for guidance here.)
   But the HAYES.SCR initialization string is fairly innocuous and maybe
   just automatically retrying with output pacing at 200 would catch the
   occasional dumb modem that seems to need this help.  Anyhow, unless
   someone has a strong argument against this tactic I plan to implement
   this strategy at Queen's.

In summary, I'm hoping that over time, a set of dialing scripts will emerge
that work for all PC/modem combinations here at Queen's.  (Probably a
vain hope.)  I hope that some of the above suggestions will be useful to
others and I welcome comments from Columbia and anyone else on these ideas.


--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Russell Nelson)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Please explain Kermit's copyright
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Alan J Holmes) writes:
   In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Russell Nelson) writes:
   >In article <36ml93$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

   >   If you want to use our work directly, nobody is forcing you to
   >   spend one red cent.  If Kermit became shareware, as so many of you
   >   advocate, then everybody who uses it would have to (a) send us
   >   money, (b) stop using it, or (c) become an outlaw.  That would
   >   include the universities, government agencies, research institute,
   >   hospitals, convents, and orphanages.

   >   Why don't we give it rest, eh?  Thanks.

   >Because the Kermit copyright is limiting (intentionally or not) the
   >distribution of Kermit.  If you want universities, government
   >agencies, research institutes, hospitals, convents, and orphanages to
   >be able to use Kermit, you have to make sure that they can get it.

   Perhaps I have missed something, I was under the impression that
   distribution was already free to this list and indeed anyone who
   has access to the email system.

There is no such thing as no-cost software.  Every method of
distribution has a cost.  The Kermit copyright reserves the right to
distribute on physical media at any non-zero price.  They do not
distribute on CD-ROM.  So, the only way to get kermit on physical
media, if you don't already know someone with the version you want, is
to buy it on floppies from Columbia.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Got the 3.14 beta, a question
Date: 14 Oct 1994 05:21:03 GMT
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Well, I got the 3.14 beta and like what I see.  No problems found yet, but
one puzzling thing . . . if I jump into my editor, QEdit, by typing 'edit'
at the command line, the modem hangs up.  3.13 didn't do this.  What am I
doing wrong here?


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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Hangup and Z100 MSKermit 3.13
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) says:

>In article <37jh8f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>>
>> MSKermit 3.13 has this weird artifact where if you use the hangup
>> command in a script or from the MSKERMIT prompt it doesn't reset
>> DTR correctly. However from Connect mode's ^] menu "H" performs
>> hangup correctly.
>>
>> I have gotten arround this in scripts by defining my own hangup
>> macro that uses the Hayes AT command "+++" to hangup.
>>
>> I wanted to pass this work-around to any other Z100 MSKermit 3.13
>> users.
>----------
>    Which comms ports, what kind of modem, what does "correctly"
>mean in this case?
>    Joe D.
>

I have had this problem with all brands of modems.
The problem is that hangup drops the DTR line to hang up but
only in Connect mode does it bring the line back up.
In Command and Script mode once hangup drops DTR is stays down.
I am using Communications port 1.

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From: [e-mail] (Ted Mittelstaedt)
Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out???
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In article <[e-mail]>,
David Scholten <[e-mail]> wrote:
>This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this.  But I
>am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial
>out from my BSDI 1.1 based box.  The problems are similar in nature:
>

If you figure out how to make UUCP and cu/kermit/etc share the same port
please tell me!  :-)

Hey, I am looking for a sendmail.cf that works with UUCP, I installed
FreeBSD 1.1 from the CDROM and the default sendmail.cf only seems to know
how to send SMTP mail, at least I don't see the uux transport program
listed anywhere.  Right now I'm trying to hack it together with the O'Rilley
book on Sendmail, and a couple of examples from a Sun box, and I really don't
want to spend a week or two rewriting sendmail,cf if someone has already
done it.

Thanks,
[e-mail]


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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH
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    I have download the beta version of kermit from columbia.edu.  Now
everytime I escape to DOS the modem hang up.  Seem like it drop DTR when
you go to DOS for some reason.  3.13 doesn't do this.  Can anyone
enlighten me on this problem ? :) Thank you very much.

--
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Subject: Re: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols
>> the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This,
>> I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in
>> later versions?
>------------
>    Depends upon whom pranks are played. Answerback is a nice way of
>being sucked into someone else's prank when the answerback string is not
>quite what you wanted. We try to avoid this spontaneous suprize by canning
>the response and letting the user turn it on or off.

What? If you supect someone unautorized may maliciously edit your
MSCUSTOM.INI then surely having them change the answerback is the last
of your worries.

> The most common use
>of answerback was stashing passwords, and that is generally regarded as
>not a wise thing to do.

The most common use of answer back _I've_ encontered is getting the
physical location of the terminal on a LAN with terminal servers hat
do not easily give this information. The terminal location in this
context is *not* used for purposes of security but rather allows some
preferences to be configured per location rather than per
user. Notably these include default hardcopy output device, printer
type and stationary stock attached to the slave printer port, default
opening menu.

At present we work round this problem by detecting the "MS-DOS KERMIT"
response and sending a secondary enquiry using the APC facility to
execute a macro which returns the desired answer back string. This is
messy but it works. It also means that we have to enable the APC facility.
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From: [e-mail] (Dick Wisan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ring-bound Kermit Manuals
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken) writes:
> In article <1994Oct9.180929.6456@eisner>, [e-mail] wrote:
>> In article <[e-mail]> Ken Udut
>> <[e-mail]> writes:
>>
>> > Or, if ringbound is prohibitively expensive, how about looseleaf, and
>> > print a nice binder?
>>
>> Docs in a binder would be fine with me.  Unfortunately this doesn't
>> seem to be the trend these days, even though there's a major difference
>> in convenience of use..  Even just the pages (and I supply the binder)
>> would suffice if cost or store shelf space are otherwise problems.
>>
>> Billy Y..
>>
>
> It's a pity too, since it's cheaper to print looseleaf pages
> (either print on regular paper, or pre-punched 3 hole pages), and
> handier).
           [snip]
>
> I have a Turbo Pascal 6 book that I used religiously to learn how
> to program Pascal.  But as thick as it is, it is bound with paper
> and glue binding.  Phooey - try staying open to the book on the first
> or last 50 pages - nearly impossible without a large paperweight
> holding it down, while typing!

Hmm, those recent Borland manuals are a new kind of glue-back that's
much better than the older ones.  They're less controllable than ring
bindings but they lie a lot flatter then the ordinary kind.  For years,
I've cut the backs off manuals and punched them either for ring binders
or for plastic comb-backs.  Had to do that with the Kermit manual, but
I found Turbo Pascal 6 and 7 usable as is.  At least, propped up between
the keyboard & monitor, they stay open where I put them.

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On 14 Oct 1994, One from the West wrote:

>     I have download the beta version of kermit from columbia.edu.  Now
> everytime I escape to DOS the modem hang up.  Seem like it drop DTR when
> you go to DOS for some reason.  3.13 doesn't do this.  Can anyone
> enlighten me on this problem ? :) Thank you very much.

Same here, with most commands (except CD and CWD). For example SHOW COMM
hangs up the modem. I noticed that the auto-hangup happens only with high
speeds, using a 2400bps modem all is fine (but slow of course ;-) Using
2400bps speed with a 14k4 modem also works but using higher speeds with
the 14k4 modem not.

Perhaps it has something to do with speed buffering and old UARTS ?

Xander

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Subject: Relgious war: KERMIT answer back to Enq (ASCII 5)
Date: 14 Oct 1994 13:42:09 GMT
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In article <37goa6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>
>[e-mail] writes:
>> In MS-KERMIT 3.13 8 the "SET TERM ANSWERBACK" command which contols
>> the sesponse to ENQ characters has only settings "ON" and "OFF". This,
>> I assume, is a joke. Has it been extended to do something useful in
>> later versions?
>>
>No, it's not a joke.  Without overstating the obvious, answerback messages
>pose a certain security risk.

This has the makings of a Relgious war :-(

Answerback messages per-se do not pose a security risk.

Remotely configurable answerback strings do and I'm not proposing this.

Programming your password into the answerback string is (without
overstating the obvious either) stupid - anyone who does that deserves
everything they get.

[The following is also posted to another branch of this thread - sorry]

The most common use of answer back _I've_ encontered is getting the
physical location of the terminal on a LAN with terminal servers hat
do not easily give this information. The terminal location in this
context is *not* used for purposes of security but rather allows some
preferences to be configured per location rather than per
user. Notably these include default hardcopy output device, printer
type and stationary stock attached to the slave printer port, default
opening menu.

At present we work round this problem by detecting the "MS-DOS KERMIT"
response and sending a secondary enquiry using the APC facility to
execute a macro which returns the desired answer back string. This is
messy but it works. It also means that we are forced to enable the APC
facility (now _that_ *is* a security hole).
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Ratzlaff) writes:

>I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX.  I have
>Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions.  The problem
>is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to
>make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters
>are missing from the resulting print out.  There appears to be
>something wrong in the handshake somewhere.  It is especially noticeable when
>I'm trying to make a plot.
>
>Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters?

Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and
print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w
problem not a handshake problem.
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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with PUSH
Date: 14 Oct 1994 14:42:02 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
|Same here, with most commands (except CD and CWD). For example SHOW COMM
|hangs up the modem. I noticed that the auto-hangup happens only with high
|speeds, using a 2400bps modem all is fine (but slow of course ;-) Using
|2400bps speed with a 14k4 modem also works but using higher speeds with
|the 14k4 modem not.

Same problem here as well.  I'm running 3.14 on a Tandy XT clone with an
Intel external 14.4k modem.
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From [e-mail] Fri Oct 14 14:36:10 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Alan Greig)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

>>  Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no
>>explanation of the acronym was given.

> Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer
> Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3:
>
> "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when
> we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming
> sort of character." ...

Now when I first came across Kermit in the early 1980s the docs
claimed it stood for something like "KL10 Error-free Reciprocal
Microcomputer Interface Terminal"

That may have been contrived to try and prevent them being
sued of course :-)

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From: [e-mail] (Teemu Mottonen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-Kermit 3.13, Windows, "Unknown hardware for port", 8250/16550 UART
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Hi all,

I have a problem with running MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows 3.1. I'm
developing a program with Borland Pascal for Windows that uses Kermit
to call a central computer, transfer files etc. The com port settings
seem correct ('SET COM1 \x3F8 IRQ 4'), because Kermit works ok in DOS
and when executed directly from the Program Manager.

The problem is that after running Kermit once (to dial central computer)
on the second invokation, after 'SET PORT COM1' I get "?Warning: unknown
hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS1". After this communication fails.

It seems that somehow Kermit is unable to verify the UART. I don't know
what causes this: Windows, Kermit or my program. So, is it possible to
disable the UART check (chkport routine in the assembler source code) by
patching KERMIT.EXE ? Or maybe there's some combination of PIF & .INI
settings that I'm missing ? Or perhaps I should somehow reset the UART
after running the first script ?

The modem is an external V.32 modem (8250 UART, but I use it at 2400 bps).
I've also tried this with an internal modem (V.32 & 16550), but same results.
The PC is a 486DX-33.

Thanks in advance,
Teemu Mottonen.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Thanks to everyone for the quick reports concerning MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
Beta-2 dropping DTR (hanging up) when given a PUSH, RUN, etc, command.
This problem is now fixed, and a new mstibm.zip file was installed in the
kermit/test/bin directory on kermit.columbia.edu as of about 12:20pm
Eastern (USA) time, Friday, October 14, 1994.  This one identifies itself
as Beta-3, 14 Oct 94.

It is also available in text format as mstibm.boo and mstibm.uue in the
kermit/test/text directory, and these two have also been installed in
KERMSRV on CUVMA for BITNET/EARN/CREN access.

As mentioned in the original announcement, the ZIP file contains
subdirectories, and so in order to unzip it and preserve the directory
structure, which is ESSENTIAL to correction operation, you might have to
give your unzipping program a special switch to enable directory creation,
for example:

  pkunzip -d mstibm.zip

Otherwise you'll get lots of warnings about READ.ME files overwriting
each other, and you won't get the needed directory structure.

Yesterday's ZIP file contains a "draft" dialing script for the Intel High
Speed FaxModem, INTEL14.SCR.  This is completely untested; if you have one
of these modems, I'd appreciate it if you would test the new script and
let me know the results.  I'd also like to know if it works on other Intel
models, such as the Intel SatisFaxion.

Today's ZIP file adds another untested draft dialing script, FASTALK2.SCR,
for the Motorola FasTalkII.  Test results needed.

If any Israelis or Russians (or other people who use the Hebrew or Cyrillic
alphabets) are reading this newsgroup, I'd like reactions to the new Hebrew
and Cyrillic support.

If any Japanese people are reading and have been able to test the Kanji
terminal emulation in DOS/V, reports would be appreciated.  However, it
is presently a restriction that the Kanji terminal emulation does not work
with Nikkei Telecom database services.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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    Thanks for the messages on DTR dropping when going to DOS.
Indeed, it did. It's fixed in "beta-3 14 Oct 1994" appearing on
kermit.columbia.edu today.
    For the technically curious, the problem was turning on UART
loopback while testing for 16550A-ness and vicinity, in the hope of
shutting off babble from the outside during the examination. I added
this last week but did not check for the side effect that the handshake
lines might all drop too. So I don't turn on loopback anymore after this
morning and thus DTR stays high/asserted/true/"1".
    If I could ask a favor of people submitting bug reports, it is
that you also send a copy directly to me, [e-mail]. NEWS takes
about a day to make its way out here in Utah but mail is much quicker.
------
    Answerback folks. Here's my answer back on that. The host asks
for the contents of the string without the user being aware of it. That
is a security hole.
    We hear your comments, but I'd appreciate some separation of emotion
from real need (or want it if it were available) so we can better estimate the
situation. Just mark sections as *need*, *greed*, and *flame* and I'll get
the idea sooner or later.
    Thanks for the feedback and keep those reports coming,
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts
Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:58:10 GMT
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In article <37jv25$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
writes:
> I've found that HAYES.SCR dies with some modems because the code at
> GOTMSG executes before the full CONNECT message is back.  For example,
> with a GVC 9600, the modem only has time to deliver CONNE before the
> dialing script compares the response to CONNECT.  The comparison fails,
> and the script stops with "No dialtone or no answer.  Try again later."
>
After the dialing command (ATD...) is given, the script waits for a
linefeed (presumably the one that terminates the echo from the ATD...
command) and then another linefeed.  Whatever is in between should be
the modem's response.  I don't understand how, after receiving the
linefeed that comes *after* the CONNECT message, characters could be
missing from the end of "CONNECT".  Nevertheless...

> I first solved this by adding a PAUSE 2 before the comparison.
> Yesterday, a student told me he solved it by changing "reinput 0
> connect" to "reinput 2 connect".  Page 219 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" says
> the timeout interval on the reinput command is ignored.  Line 1434 of
> KERMIT.BWR says "If the REINPUT command fails to find the requested text
> in the INPUT command buffer, it will wait (up to the timeout interval)
> for more characters to arrive from the communication channel."
>
The .BWR file is right.

> Ok, so, after waiting for the timeout, does REINPUT make the comparison
> again?  Or perhaps REINPUT recognizes that the initial substring is a
> match and so is willing to wait for more characters?  If so, I can adopt
> my student friend's solution which is more elegant than pausing in every
> case.
>
It should be perfectly safe to change REINPUT 0 to REINPUT 2 in this case,
and it will probably have the desired effect.  Since you have access to a
modem that appears to need this, maybe you could try this and report the
results back to me.  I'd also like to see a session log of a manual
dialing session -- maybe your modem outputs more linefeeds than regular
Hayes modems.

> I find the noise level of the scripts irritating.  (In my opinion) they
> should not automatically set input echo on.  Similarly, the scripts that
> echo messages like, "Enabling hardware flow control", etc., are giving
> feedback that is not useful to the average user.  True, this may be a
> matter of taste.  My preference is for all this feedback to be
> controlled by a noiselevel setting that is 0 (silent) by default.
> Increasing the noiselevel variable increases the feedback.
>
A valid point, to be sure, but one that can't be addressed in the 3.14
cycle.  It is better for users to be informed about what is happening and
to be able to see exactly where matters might take a bad turn, than it is
to suppress verbiage for experienced user, who are certainly capable of
finding ways to do this themselves :-).  In a future release we might be
able to add features to the program itself to control message levels.

> The number of redials and the pause between redials should be controlled
> by variables rather than hardcoded into the dialing scripts.
>
Perhaps, but here again we'd probably need changes at the program level
rather than just in the scripts, because the concept of "variables" is
opaque to many users.  Too late for 3.14.

> The dialing scripts should not automatically set parity to none since
> that overrides the parity setting in the dialing directory.
>
Yes they should.  The trick is for them to restore the desired parity
after the connection is made.  This is supposed to happen in the improved
DIAL macro supplied with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.

> Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE
> speed as high as the modem will allow.  I may be on shaky ground here
> but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems.
>
Why?  If the modem can autobaud at, say, 57600, and give a comprehensible
response, and we know how to set it up for RTS/CTS flow control, and we
can verify that this has, indeed, been done successfully (see latest
dialing scripts), what would the drawbacks be of using the highest speed?

> And
> for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing
> directory be respected.
>
Could you please explain?  If we are talking about error-correcting
modems, then the interface speed is independent of the connection speed
that is negotiated between the two modems.

> I wonder if HAYES.SCR might be patched to automatically "set output pacing"
> if the initial contact fails.  Again, those with more experience may
> convince me this is a bad idea.
>
It sounds like a good idea.  We'll take a look at this one.

> But the HAYES.SCR initialization string is fairly innocuous and maybe
> just automatically retrying with output pacing at 200 would catch the
> occasional dumb modem that seems to need this help.  Anyhow, unless
> someone has a strong argument against this tactic I plan to implement
> this strategy at Queen's.
>
Does anybody have an example of a modem for which this treatment would
be necessary?

> In summary, I'm hoping that over time, a set of dialing scripts will emerge
> that work for all PC/modem combinations here at Queen's.  (Probably a
> vain hope.)
>
Not at all!  As time goes on, we'll keep improving the modem scripts and
adding new ones.  Perhaps the whole business can become more table driven
and more tightly integrated with the program -- some kind of compromise
between the current method and the way C-Kermit does it, neither one of
which is perfect.  Meanwhile, anything that you have which might be of
general interest, feel free to post it or send it in.

And we'll keep your suggestions on the pile for the next release.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Huggins)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Alan Greig <[e-mail]> wrote:
|In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
|> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
|
|>>  Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no
|>>explanation of the acronym was given.
|
|> Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer
|> Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3:
|>
|> "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when
|> we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming
|> sort of character." ...
|
|Now when I first came across Kermit in the early 1980s the docs
|claimed it stood for something like "KL10 Error-free Reciprocal
|Microcomputer Interface Terminal"
|
|That may have been contrived to try and prevent them being
|sued of course :-)

Frank da Cruz's book (cited above) gives the rest of the story --
the alternate definitions given for the name of Kermit, until they
finally asked Henson Associates for permission to use the un-acronymed
name.  The acronyms were mostly attempt to retro-fit an explanation
onto the string.
--
Jim Huggins, Univ. of Michigan                          [e-mail]
"You cannot pray to a personal computer no matter how user-friendly it is."
(PGP key available upon request)                             W. Bingham Hunter

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Suggestions for the Columbia Dialing Scripts
Date: 14 Oct 1994 18:52:55 GMT
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In article <37mgri$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <37jv25$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
>writes:
>> Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE
>> speed as high as the modem will allow.  I may be on shaky ground here
>> but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems.
>>
>Why?  If the modem can autobaud at, say, 57600, and give a comprehensible
>response, and we know how to set it up for RTS/CTS flow control, and we
>can verify that this has, indeed, been done successfully (see latest
>dialing scripts), what would the drawbacks be of using the highest speed?
>
>> And
>> for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing
>> directory be respected.
>>
>Could you please explain?  If we are talking about error-correcting
>modems, then the interface speed is independent of the connection speed
>that is negotiated between the two modems.


The drawbacks of using the highest speed occur on systems which probably
do not have a buffered UART or have high levels of interrupt activity
(systems with network cards, multiple active serial ports, ...).

It might be possible that even though RTS/CTS flow control is enable that
the cables are missing the appropriate lines.

Or that a terminal server on the other end of the connection does not use
RTS/CTS flow control and can handle the data throughput at 38400, but
losses characters at 57600.

Or there might be bugs in the virtual device driver that simulates RTS/CTS
to the application but doesn't implement it to the modem.

In other words, there are circumstances outside of Kermits or the users
control that make it desireable to have the dialing directory speed obeyed.

It would be a simple change to to script to make the entry in the dialing
directory the maximum speed used.

Just an idea.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
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From: [e-mail] (Brig C McCoy)
Subject: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback
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 >        We hear your comments, but I'd appreciate some separation of emotion
 >from real need (or want it if it were available) so we can better estimate th
 >situation. Just mark sections as *need*, *greed*, and *flame* and I'll get
 >the idea sooner or later.


*FLAME*

How can you expect us to react appropriately to someone who's entirely
too civil? :)

Thanks for the MS-Kermit, btw. Use it and like it.

...brig

---
 ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ People say I'm indecisive.  Am I?  I don't know.


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From: [e-mail] (Randall Elton Ding)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: hercmono underlining and 3.13 vs 3.11
Date: 14 Oct 1994 17:21:47 GMT
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Have been using 3.11 for a long time now, but when I try 3.13
the underlined video is no longer underlined.  I have a old 286 with hercmono
card.  What could be the problem.

The high intensity video works fine though.


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From: [e-mail] (Harry Flowers)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
writes:
>     Answerback folks. Here's my answer back on that. The host asks
> for the contents of the string without the user being aware of it. That
> is a security hole.

Where do you get this?  The host may ask for terminal type without you being
aware of it, too, but that's not considered a hole.  The string you place in
answerback, if you put one there, is "when the host asks for this, this is
what you answer back".  How is this a problem?

Now, host *setable* answerbacks *are* a problem, since they come from your
input buffer.  You wouldn't want the host program putting delete commands
in your answerback, and then doing the ENQ and exiting.  This is indeed
something you should not allow.

As long as the user has complete control of what the answerback message is,
if any, there isn't a problem unless the user creates one for himself.

>     We hear your comments, but I'd appreciate some separation of emotion
> from real need (or want it if it were available) so we can better estimate the
> situation. Just mark sections as *need*, *greed*, and *flame* and I'll get
> the idea sooner or later.

In the past where I worked, we had a *need* for this, similar to what has
already been posted (a way of getting a location profile).  Kermit would
have been eliminated as an option based on lack of answerback support.
Where I work now, we don't use answerbacks, so I guess this is just a
*flame*. ;-)
--
Harry Flowers  Internet:[e-mail] or [e-mail]
The University of Memphis, 112 Administration Bldg., Memphis, TN 38152 (USA)

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From: [e-mail] (Robert Bonomi)
Subject: Re: Query for fcd; was: Kermit takes an upper-case K
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Alan Greig <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>
>>>  Someone claims that it began as an acronym: K.E.R.M.I.T; but no
>>>explanation of the acronym was given.
>
>> Well, look at One of The Kermit Books - "Kermit, A File Transfer
>> Protocol" (by FdC), p3, at footnote 3:
>>
>> "3. Why? Mostly because there was a Muppets calendar on the wall when
>> we were trying to think of a name, and Kermit is a pleasant, unassuming
>> sort of character." ...
>
>Now when I first came across Kermit in the early 1980s the docs
>claimed it stood for something like "KL10 Error-free Reciprocal
>Microcomputer Interface Terminal"
>
>That may have been contrived to try and prevent them being
>sued of course :-)

It *did* start with the -frog-, himself.  The name is used _with_permission_
of the copyright holder.  The "KL-10....." was fitted onto the name, -after-
it was selected.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.13, Windows, "Unknown hardware for port", 8250/16550 UART
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In article <37m578$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Teemu Mottonen) writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a problem with running MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows 3.1. I'm
> developing a program with Borland Pascal for Windows that uses Kermit
> to call a central computer, transfer files etc. The com port settings
> seem correct ('SET COM1 \x3F8 IRQ 4'), because Kermit works ok in DOS
> and when executed directly from the Program Manager.
>
> The problem is that after running Kermit once (to dial central computer)
> on the second invokation, after 'SET PORT COM1' I get "?Warning: unknown
> hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS1". After this communication fails.
>
> It seems that somehow Kermit is unable to verify the UART. I don't know
> what causes this: Windows, Kermit or my program. So, is it possible to
> disable the UART check (chkport routine in the assembler source code) by
> patching KERMIT.EXE ? Or maybe there's some combination of PIF & .INI
> settings that I'm missing ? Or perhaps I should somehow reset the UART
> after running the first script ?
>
> The modem is an external V.32 modem (8250 UART, but I use it at 2400 bps).
> I've also tried this with an internal modem (V.32 & 16550), but same results.
> The PC is a 486DX-33.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Teemu Mottonen.
> --
> Teemu Mottonen - Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki
-------
Teemu,
    It's kind of difficult to guess here. Windows is controlling the
physical serial ports and presents virtualized images to Kermit. One item
needed by Kermit is the port i/o address (such as \x3f8), and Kermit obtains
that either from the Bios work area in segment 40h (first four words are
COM1...COM4 i/o addresses) or from the SET COMx Kermit command. If Windows
or your Pascal program clears the seg 40h area then Kermit will produce
this message. If Windows has the port allocated to some other task Windows
may report 0's in seg 40h. Looking down their with debug or other means
is a quick way to see what's happening.
    Does your Pascal program access the ports in any way?
    Source code for MSK 3.13 is available on kermit.columbia.edu,
cd kermit/a. If modified then the patch file won't work anymore.
    Joe D.

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: hercmono underlining and 3.13 vs 3.11
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In article <37menb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Randall Elton Ding) writes:
> Have been using 3.11 for a long time now, but when I try 3.13
> the underlined video is no longer underlined.  I have a old 286 with hercmono
> card.  What could be the problem.
>
> The high intensity video works fine though.
--------
    The problem is tied to the major shift of dealing with underlining
in MSK 3.13. The mono case ought to have underlined, but the code apparently
decides to "color" on mono instead. There will be no patch for this because
MSK 3.14 is now being beta tested (hint: please try it and report back to
me).
    Thanks,
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Larry Powell)
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Subject: Tektronix emulation question
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  I attempted to test the GIS program PC-MOSS which does
its graphics displays in Tektronix 4010 mode. (The preferred method
is with a device driver costing $40 which I do not have.) So I tried
MS-Kermit 3.13.
  It goes into graphics mode ok but frequently erases the screen.
Which makes it effectively useless. The session log showed several
occurrences of FF (x0C) which according to the manual (kermit's)
has several functions including erase the screen. When I changed
these (to CANCEL I think) and replayed it was ok.
  Another emulater (Tekterm) that I tested does not have
this problem.
  Any explanation? The manual says something like ReGIS graphics
command set is not supported. Is this related?

--
--Larry Powell    [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta, DTR, answerback
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Harry Flowers) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
> writes:
>>     Answerback folks. Here's my answer back on that. The host asks
>> for the contents of the string without the user being aware of it. That
>> is a security hole.
>
> Where do you get this?  The host may ask for terminal type without you being
> aware of it, too, but that's not considered a hole.  The string you place in
> answerback, if you put one there, is "when the host asks for this, this is
> what you answer back".  How is this a problem?
    Maybe we can agree to differ on this host generated response from
the client.

> In the past where I worked, we had a *need* for this, similar to what has
> already been posted (a way of getting a location profile).  Kermit would
> have been eliminated as an option based on lack of answerback support.
> Where I work now, we don't use answerbacks, so I guess this is just a
> *flame*. ;-)
    Ok, I understand. And I suggested privately that a better scheme often
is to let the host o/s, rather than the client program, provide a line
identifier. After all, that is usually the comms link rather than a floppy or
*.ini file wandering around the place.
        Still, the commentary is appreciated.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.13, Windows, "Unknown hardware for port", 8250/16550 UART
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In article <37m578$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Teemu Mottonen) writes:
>Hi all,
>
>I have a problem with running MS-Kermit 3.13 under Windows 3.1. I'm
>developing a program with Borland Pascal for Windows that uses Kermit
>to call a central computer, transfer files etc. The com port settings
>seem correct ('SET COM1 \x3F8 IRQ 4'), because Kermit works ok in DOS
>and when executed directly from the Program Manager.
>
>The problem is that after running Kermit once (to dial central computer)
>on the second invokation, after 'SET PORT COM1' I get "?Warning: unknown
>hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS1". After this communication fails.
>
>It seems that somehow Kermit is unable to verify the UART. I don't know
>what causes this: Windows, Kermit or my program. So, is it possible to
>disable the UART check (chkport routine in the assembler source code) by
>patching KERMIT.EXE ? Or maybe there's some combination of PIF & .INI
>settings that I'm missing ? Or perhaps I should somehow reset the UART
>after running the first script ?
>
>The modem is an external V.32 modem (8250 UART, but I use it at 2400 bps).
>I've also tried this with an internal modem (V.32 & 16550), but same results.
>The PC is a 486DX-33.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Teemu Mottonen.
>--
>Teemu Mottonen - Department of Computer Science, University of Helsinki

I'm not a Windows user (I posess a 286 w/Deskmate :-) ), but I am aware of
this problem.

(and I may be wrong.  Since posting wrong answers to questions provokes
the right ones, I guess it can't hurt if I only have half of the picture!)

As far as I understand, Windows grabs the interrupts used by the modem
and passes it to the program using it.  However, when you invoke Kermit
again, Windows still has a hold on these interrupts and is HIDING your
com port from Kermit.  (I'm using simplistic terms, but this is how I
understand it).

I don't know how to release the interrupts.

However, I do know that, if you have (in your mscustom.ini is fine) the
command that directly tells Kermit what port to send it to (the x3f8
thing - I don't remember the syntax until I need to use it myself :> ),
it should work anyhow.

But making Windows release the com port would be hte best bet.  I don't
know how to, unfortunately.

How far am I off, everyone?


Ken
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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    Beta-4 14 Oct 94 of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 cures a nasty bug:
Kermit will hang in an infinite loop if parity is set to other than
NONE. Cause was a problem in the new Connect mode status line.
    Thanks to Bert Tyler, again, for spotting this early.
    Joe D.

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Subject: Re: REPOST: Kermit over WinSock?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Ciaraldi) writes:

>> I am using NetManage Chameleon to set up a SLIP link
>> from my PC to a Unix machine. It works fine with the included
>> telnet program, but I was wondering if I could run Kermit
>> over this TCP connection.
>>
>> Is WinSock support coming in version 3.14?
>------------
>    I think we need to explain winsock et al again. Winsock is a pure
>Windows support program (a spec, vendors make their own programs obeying
>the winsock spec), it cannot run at DOS level, and by itself it does nothing.
>Only pure Windows applications can talk to this Windows winsock support
>program. Beneath the winsock api level is someone's Windows TCP/IP protocol
>    Kermit is a smart DOS program with Windows awareness, but it is not
>a pure Windows program. It's not a TCP/IP stack which can be taken out and
>used for other purposes. It is a complete program (TCP/IP stack, Kermit
>protocol stack, applications, you name it) all in itself. Thus it is not
>associated with winsock.

Thanks for the technical info, Joe. I had used Kermit
over other TCP links by having it talk to the packet driver,
but these drivers were always loaded under DOS.

Since there were "shims" to convert between different interfaces specs,
I was hoping there was either something that would make
WinSock look like what Kermit needs, or that the Kermit
protocol stack could be redirected somehow to go through WinSock.

The TCP stack from NetManage is implemented as a Windows DLL,
so I can see why it would not be accessible to a program
like Kermit that is running in the DOS box.

Thanks anyway. I will definitely continue to use
Kermit for serial communications and for communication
through TCP/IP limks that use packet drivers.

--Mike Ciaraldi



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Is there a source for Kermit keyboard mapping for other terminal types besides
the built in ones ? I'm looking for a Wyse 60 right now but I think others
will come up in the future. I know I could construct one but it would be nice
to "plagarise" one like people often do for termcap entries.
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Hi,

When running kermite (I did rename it to kermit, overwriting the
original kermit.exe file), I get a patch file mismatch error. I renamed
the msrm314.pch to mskermit.pch like I might have that one would do it.
Any suggestions?

Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
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When you exit back from DOS to kermit, you have to hit a key, why?
Ckermit for os/2 does not need this. Can we please make this consistant
for macro writing reasons please?

Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
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I am still getting my modem to hang up while it dials if I drop to dos.
Maybe I want to check something while it is still waiting to connect. I
am not using the dial script command rather I am using atdt commands
withn connect mode.

Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Tektronix emulation question
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In article <37n1p3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Larry Powell) writes:
>   I attempted to test the GIS program PC-MOSS which does
> its graphics displays in Tektronix 4010 mode. (The preferred method
> is with a device driver costing $40 which I do not have.) So I tried
> MS-Kermit 3.13.
>   It goes into graphics mode ok but frequently erases the screen.
> Which makes it effectively useless. The session log showed several
> occurrences of FF (x0C) which according to the manual (kermit's)
> has several functions including erase the screen. When I changed
> these (to CANCEL I think) and replayed it was ok.
>   Another emulater (Tekterm) that I tested does not have
> this problem.
>   Any explanation? The manual says something like ReGIS graphics
> command set is not supported. Is this related?
>
> --
> --Larry Powell    [e-mail]
-----------
    ReGIS, as you probably know, is vastly different, and just plain
vast, than Tektronix graphics. If your applications program is generating
ReGIS commands then MS-DOS Kermit will not understand them.
    Regular Form Feed, as a Tek command by itself, means clear the
screen. It's your application program generating such commands, and thus
I suggest having a little talk with it.
    I have no information about Tekterm, and you didn't say what it
did vs what MSK did vs what the host asked to be done. Hence I'll pass
on this item unless you have something to add here.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: problem with 3.14
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
> Hi,
>
> When running kermite (I did rename it to kermit, overwriting the
> original kermit.exe file), I get a patch file mismatch error. I renamed
> the msrm314.pch to mskermit.pch like I might have that one would do it.
> Any suggestions?
>
--------
    Yes, don't do that. There is no operational patch file during BETA
testing. This is not release code yet.
    As to your keypressing after popping back from DOS, I have no idea
what you mean because it does not happen here. Maybe you are in some kind
of a macro. Hints are welcome.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through")
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Ratzlaff) writes:

>>I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX.  I have
>>Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions.  The problem
>>is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to
>>make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters
>>are missing from the resulting print out.  There appears to be
>>something wrong in the handshake somewhere.  It is especially noticeable when
>>I'm trying to make a plot.
>>
>>Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters?

    I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix
    account (this one that I'm posting from).  My mail agent has a
    print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.'
    I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole
    chunks of characters.

    I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or
    I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my
    Unix account:  The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to
    the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen,
    with an occassional buffer overflow error message.  I have to
    reboot my computer to stop it.

    I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not
    working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory
    total on my PC.  (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow
    control, so I have XON/XOFF set.)  But now I wonder if it's
    something else.

>Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and
>print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w
>problem not a handshake problem.

    I usually "export" my mail into a file, then do a regular file
    transfer.  But this is a pain in the neck.  I'd also like to try
    packet sizes of around 2K to see if that speeds up file transfers.
    Any ideas?  Joe?

    Thanks in advance,

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Gisbert W. Selke)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    As to your keypressing after popping back from DOS, I have no idea
>what you mean because it does not happen here. Maybe you are in some kind
>of a macro. Hints are welcome.

I think it is this: when in CONNECT mode and you do Alt-P or Alt-H - P or
whatever to get to the command prompt, then enter EXIT to return to your
session, Kermit prompts you with "Press space to continue ..." (at least,
it has done so since many generations). It does *not* do so when PUSHing from
Kermit's commdn line, btw!
While the usefulness of this may be argued, it certainly has nothing to do
with macro writing, since you cannot use a macro to something in connect
mode, drop to DOS, have the macro talk to DOS, then re-connect *all
macro-driven* etc.

\Gisbert         WIdO, Bonn, Germany
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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Walton)
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Subject: Amiga C Kermit is available
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I'd just like to point out, briefly, that Amiga C Kermit 5A(190) is
available for beta test on watsun in kermit/test/bin/ckiker.exe.  It has
the same Amiga console (ANSI) terminal emulation as before, but many
bugs have been fixed and the DIAL, SCRIPT and RESEND commands now work.
Bug reports can be mailed directly to me.  Please install CKERMIT.INI
and CKERMOD.INI in S:  before using it.

So far, the silence from Amiga C Kermit users has been deafening :-) .
--
Stephen Walton, California State University, Northridge
"Oh no, not another one."---Heard frequently      [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through")
Date: 15 Oct 1994 16:39:28 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
>
>     I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix
>     account (this one that I'm posting from).  My mail agent has a
>     print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.'
>     I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole
>     chunks of characters.
>
I can't emphasize this strongly enough:  You must have the most effective
means of flow control that is available to you enabled at every interface
along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the
way to the printer.

>     I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or
>     I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my
>     Unix account:  The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to
>     the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen,
>     with an occassional buffer overflow error message.  I have to
>     reboot my computer to stop it.
>
This is pretty bizarre -- I've never seen such a thing, and can only
speculate that this is one of those cases where DOS turns off interrupts
to write to a (slow) disk, after which matters quickly disintegrate.

>     I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not
>     working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory
>     total on my PC.  (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow
>     control, so I have XON/XOFF set.)  But now I wonder if it's
>     something else.
>
Let's look at this connection in detail to illustrate all the things that
might go wrong, starting from the printer and working back to the host
application.

The printer should be a parallel printer.  DOS handles parallel printers
very nicely, because the parallel interface has a flow-control ("busy")
wire, and the DOS print driver pays attention to it.  If you have a serial
printer, all bets are off.  (There are printer drivers for serial printers
that provide Xon/Xoff -- one such driver is on the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
diskette, but it's primitive and supports only COM1 -- if anybody wants
to take a shot at beefing it up, let me know.)

When Kermit receives material to be printed, it uses DOS services to send
it to the printer.  If Kermit gets the data intact, but the printer fails
to print it, then it's a problem with the printer itself or the DOS
printer driver, in which case, there is little that Kermit can do to help.

That raises the question: under what circumstances could Kermit itself
lose incoming data?  There are (at least) two fundamental reasons this
could happen: (1) interrupt conflicts, and (2) lack of flow control.
Reason (1) was mentioned above.  If you have a slow disk and the disk
driver masks off COM port and/or timer interrupts during disk writes, your
only recourse is to fool with the BUFFERS= parameter in CONFIG.SYS -- less
disk buffering could mean shorter amounts of time during which COM port
interrupts are disabled.  Of course, newer, faster PCs are less likely to
have this problem (but there are no guarantees).

Lack of flow control is the more likely culprit.  You say your modem does
not offer hardware flow control so you have to use Xon/Xoff.  So you tell
Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff".  The rest of this discussion involves
Xon/Xoff flow control, so those of you who are able to use hardware flow
control -- which is always preferred and recommended -- can stop reading
now.

Xon/Xoff is a "protocol" like any other, and requires two players, just
like a game of catch.  The ball is an ordinary data character, Ctrl-S
(Xoff) or Ctrl-Q (Xon), mixed in with all the other data characters.  Who
and where is the other player?  (What if there IS no other player?
The first thing to check is whether somebody, somewhere along the
communication path ALSO has Xon/Xoff enabled.  If not, then after you
throw your first ball, you'll never get it back!)

The farther away the other player is, the greater the chance of error:
propogation delays, noise, etc, become increasingly dominating factors
with distance.

To illustrate, suppose you have 2400bps dialup connection, but (for some
reason) there is a one-second propogation delay, or "reaction time" to an
Xoff -- assuming it gets through at all (i.e. was not corrupted by noise).
The printer tells the printer driver it is not ready for more data.
Kermit finds out about this and sends an Xoff to the host.  Meanwhile,
since it will be a full second before the host receives and reacts to the
Xoff, then up to 240 more characters might already be on the way to be
printer.  If any buffer between the host and the printer has less than
that much room left, characters will be lost.

So the trick, is to cut down on the propogation delay:

  Be sure you have enabled Xon/Xoff at the place that is closest to
  your PC, and that that "place" is then capable of propogating flow
  control "upstream".

Suppose your modem supports "local Xon/Xoff".  Since your modem is the device
that is closest to the PC's serial port, then that would be where Kermit's
partner in the "game of catch" should be positioned.  BUT ONLY IF the modem
has a way to tell the other modem to tell the "thing" that the other modem
is attached to (etc etc...) to turn the flow of data off and on.

This can be done in two ways.  Error-correcting modems, i.e. those supporting
protocols such as MNP, V.42, or PEP, can send flow-control protocol messages
to each other (but then, these also support hardware flow control, so this
is not relevant here).

Some non-error-correcting modems have an option for "local Xon/Xoff flow
control with pass-through" -- meaning that if they receive an Xoff signal
from the PC, they will stop sending data to the PC (until they receive an
Xon from the PC), and they will also pass the Xoff signal to the other
modem, for delivery to the "thing that the modem is connected to".  Both
of these methods, of course, requires some buffering capacity in the
modem (read your modem manual), and they also require cooperation from
beyond the remote modem.

What is the remote modem connected to?  Let's say it's a terminal server.
This is a good situation for us, because if we can set up flow control
between Kermit and the terminal server, then the network protocol between
the terminal server and whatever is "behind" it (network, host, operating
system, application, etc) will take care of flow control (and error
correction, and all the rest) for us -- these are features of
terminal-server protocols such as TELNET, RLOGIN, and LAT.

When you first make the connection to the terminal server and you see its
prompt, give it a command to enable Xon/Xoff flow control.  Of course the
exact form of this command depends on the terminal server.  Here are some
examples:

  Cisco: terminal flow soft
  Annex (Xylogics): stty iflow xonxoff oflow xonxoff

This will give you the most effective possible flow control on connection,
but it won't be perfect.  Xon and Xoff are ordinary data characters, subject
to corruption by noise, which can result in deadlocks (when Xon is lost)
or buffer overflows (when Xoff is lost).  If you have a clean connection,
though, then response should be quick and effective.

The price you pay is the inability to use Xon and Xoff as ordinary data
characters.  This is important for EMACS users (Ctrl-S is used in Search
and Save commands, Ctrl-Q is used in Quote and other commands), and it
also prevents the use of file transfer protocols like X- and Ymodem, and
probably also Zmodem unless you give it some special tweaking.  But Kermit
transfers will work fine (unless you have gone out of your way to
"unprefix" Ctrl-S or Ctrl-Q and/or their 8-bit counterparts).

Another alternative is to position your flow-control partner farther
upstream, for example, at the host operating system.  If you are connected
directly to a serial port on the host computer, this is your only choice
anyway.  But if you are coming in through a terminal server or any kind of
network, this will increase the propogation delay siginificantly.

To enable Xon/Xoff flow control in UNIX (often called Start/Stop flow
control in UNIX documentation), the command is usually something like:

  stty ixon ixoff -ixany

In VMS, the commands are:

  set terminal /hostsync /ttsync /noreadsync

On IBM Series/1, 4994, 7171 and similar 3270 protocol converters that
provide dialup access to IBM mainframe full-screen sessions, Xon/Xoff
flow control is generally a built-in feature that can't be disabled.

> >Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and
> >print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w
> >problem not a handshake problem.
>
>     I usually "export" my mail into a file, then do a regular file
>     transfer.  But this is a pain in the neck.  I'd also like to try
>     packet sizes of around 2K to see if that speeds up file transfers.
>
You misunderstood the suggestion.  Print from your host mail application
in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes
printer output to a file on your PC's disk.  This will eliminate flow
control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself,
if that is what is causing the problem.  Then you can print the file
later, using the DOS PRINT command.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Emulating odd terminal types
Date: 15 Oct 1994 16:43:35 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Alan Stewart) writes:
> Is there a source for Kermit keyboard mapping for other terminal types
> besides the built in ones ? I'm looking for a Wyse 60 right now but I
> think others will come up in the future. I know I could construct one
> but it would be nice to "plagarise" one like people often do for termcap
> entries.
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, announced yesterday for Beta testing, includes Wyse 50
terminal emulation.  Wyse 60 in "Wyse mode" is the same as Wyse 50.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode,
file mstibm.zip.

Note that terminal emulation is a lot more than a matter of what the keys
send.  In Kermit, you can make the keys send whatever you want them to using
the SET KEY command.  But there also has to be code within the program itself
to parse and act upon incoming escape sequences, which are different for each
kind of terminal: DEC, Data General, Wyse, Tektronix, etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through")
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
>>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Ratzlaff) writes:
>
>>>I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX.  I have
>>>Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions.  The problem
>>>is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to
>>>make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters
>>>are missing from the resulting print out.  There appears to be
>>>something wrong in the handshake somewhere.  It is especially noticeable when
>>>I'm trying to make a plot.
>>>
>>>Is there some SET command I need to use to avoid loosing characters?
>
>     I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix
>     account (this one that I'm posting from).  My mail agent has a
>     print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.'
>     I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole
>     chunks of characters.
>
>     I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or
>     I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my
>     Unix account:  The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to
>     the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen,
>     with an occassional buffer overflow error message.  I have to
>     reboot my computer to stop it.
>
>     I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not
>     working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory
>     total on my PC.  (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow
>     control, so I have XON/XOFF set.)  But now I wonder if it's
>     something else.
-------------
    Once again, please tell us the version and patch number of the Kermit
involved (we don't service non-Columbia Kermits) and whatever other
information you think might be important.
    Is there a communications device between the far modem and your Unix
box? There should be no packet length difficulties with a straight modem to
modem, machine to machine, connection provided flow control is active at *all*
points. I appreciate it is difficult to know what's on the remote system.
    The ^F^F... effect could be from a corrupted kermit.exe file, from
systems problems outside of Kermit, from memory management troubles in the
PC, whatnot.
    640KB is more than adequate to run Kermit (it's a small sized program).
If you are using screen rollback for Connect mode then those screens are
stored either in conventional memory (at about 4KB per screen) or in expanded
memory. Expanded memory via software must pin down where the expanded memory
64KB frame buffer is located, and that is something each user must attend to.
Please don't use A000-BFFF since that's the domain of the video system.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: IBM RS/6000 AIX 4.1.0
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Is anybody out there running AIX 4.1.0?

If you are willing to check out C-Kermit on it, please send me email.

Thanks.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Thanks to fdc for his responses.  In the following, any line prefixed by
two > is from my original post, one > is from Frank's reply, 0 > is new from me.

|> It should be perfectly safe to change REINPUT 0 to REINPUT 2 in this case,
|> and it will probably have the desired effect.  Since you have access to a
|> modem that appears to need this, maybe you could try this and report the
|> results back to me.  I'd also like to see a session log of a manual
|> dialing session -- maybe your modem outputs more linefeeds than regular
|> Hayes modems.
I'll contact the two users that I know had this problem and ask them to
create a session log.  One was a GVC 9600, the other a 9600 "Hayes compatible"
CompuDyne (sp?).

|> > I find the noise level of the scripts irritating...

|> A valid point, to be sure, but one that can't be addressed in the 3.14
|> cycle...

|> > The number of redials and the pause between redials should be controlled
|> > by variables rather than hardcoded into the dialing scripts.

|> Perhaps, but here again we'd probably need changes at the program level
|> rather than just in the scripts, because the concept of "variables" is
|> opaque to many users.  Too late for 3.14.

My complaints are minor and fit into the "gee, I wish ..." category.
Not to belabour the point, I don't expect or require my users to understand Kermit
variables.  Instead, I give them a KCONFIG utility that asks various questions about
their modem, etc. and edits their MSCUSTOM.INI file for them.  I changed all the
dialing scripts to use variables and so KCONFIG can also tailor the redial
mechanism via MSCUSTOM.INI.

|> > The dialing scripts should not automatically set parity to none...
|> >
|> Yes they should.  The trick is for them to restore the desired parity...

Great!  Sounds like 3.14 gives me what I need.
|>
|> > Similarly, I've had trouble with some scripts trying to set the DTE<->DCE
|> > speed as high as the modem will allow.  I may be on shaky ground here
|> > but for our environment, 38400 is a better choice for many systems.
|> >
|> Why?  If the modem can autobaud at, say, 57600, and give a comprehensible
|> response, and we know how to set it up for RTS/CTS flow control, and we
|> can verify that this has, indeed, been done successfully (see latest
|> dialing scripts), what would the drawbacks be of using the highest speed?
|>
|> > And
|> > for some of our services, it is necessary that the speed set in the dialing
|> > directory be respected.
|> >
|> Could you please explain?  If we are talking about error-correcting
|> modems, then the interface speed is independent of the connection speed
|> that is negotiated between the two modems.

Admittedly I do not understand all the complexities here although I do understand
the difference between interface speed and modulation speed, thanks in large
part to your great explanations in the original Kermit book.  My observation
is that on a 7/e/1 connection to an aging PACX that fronts a Series/1 interface
to our IBM mainframe, increasing the DTE<->DCE speed *decreased* the file transfer
rate.  If memory serves correctly this was a problem on uploads only.  And I
have no doubt that there are plenty of other situations outside my experience
that may require a less optimistic assumption than if the modem can go at 57600
let's ignore the DIALUPS.TXT table.  Respecting the table makes it so much easier
for unusual situations, and (apologies in advance for being presumptuous) is in
keeping with the Kermit philosophy of making it work first and making it fast second.

|>
|> > In summary, I'm hoping that over time, a set of dialing scripts will emerge
|> > that work for all PC/modem combinations here at Queen's.  (Probably a
|> > vain hope.)
|> >
|> Not at all!  As time goes on, we'll keep improving the modem scripts and
|> adding new ones.  Perhaps the whole business can become more table driven...

That would be really great!  I've thought about doing that myself but so far
my experience with modems makes me skeptical that I could really make it work.
I even wonder if a better approach might be to hack HAYES.SCR so that the
user could simply define a prefix string for his/her modem.  For some of my
users this may well be a good approach, e.g., because they already see an
initialization string that "works" for their modem in another comm program.
On the other hand, it also makes it very easy for somebody to shoot themselves
in the foot so I'd probably just exchange one set of problems for another.

|>
|> And we'll keep your suggestions on the pile for the next release.
Thanks again.
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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>>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>>>  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>> |Same here, with most commands (except CD and CWD). For example SHOW COMM
>>> |hangs up the modem. I noticed that the auto-hangup happens only with high
>>> |speeds, using a 2400bps modem all is fine (but slow of course ;-) Using
>>> |2400bps speed with a 14k4 modem also works but using higher speeds with
>>> |the 14k4 modem not.

>>> Same problem here as well.  I'm running 3.14 on a Tandy XT clone with an
>>> Intel external 14.4k modem.

I have a similar problem on a Zeinth Z 425S+ running Windows 3.1,
MsKermit 3.13 patch level 12, with Intel internal 14.4 modem on Com 2,
but it only happens sometimes; most of the time its just fine.


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On 15 Oct 1994, Frank da Cruz wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
> (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
> >
> >     I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix
> >     account (this one that I'm posting from).  My mail agent has a
> >     print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.'
> >     I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole
> >     chunks of characters.
> >
> I can't emphasize this strongly enough:  You must have the most effective
> means of flow control that is available to you enabled at every interface
> along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the
> way to the printer.

For what it's worth, a note from the release notes of Pine 3.91:
-----
Changes since pine 3.90.

Pine 3.91 is primarily a bug-fix release, to correct many (but not all)
of the problems reported with version 3.90.

IMPORTANT NOTE: if you are plagued by messages saying ^X or ^Q not
defined, or printers losing parts of messages sent from Pine, then set the
new feature:  "preserve-start-stop-characters" .  This is needed
whenever your printer, modem, or async communications program is
configured to use software flow control.  Note that setting this feature
will result in Pine appearing to "hang" if you accidentally type a ^S.
The remedy for this situation is to type a ^Q.
-----

Although I don't think that this will help in the specific situation
discussed (but you never know ;), it might help others using Pine and
being plagued by missing characters when printing 'attached-to-ansi'
or having other flow control pains.

Pine 3.91 can be fetched from ftp.cac.washington.edu, directory pine.

Xander

- This message was brought to you via MSK 3.14 Beta3 and Pine 3.91 ;-)

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Luigi M Bianchi <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I have set up the new version.  Very good!  Congratulations and, once
> again, thank you for a job really well done, and for your continuing
> generosity in releasing this marvelous software free of charge.
>
Thanks for the nice words.

> And now for a little change (bug?) I noticed.  The final couple of lines
> in my mscustom.ini are:
>
> menu;
> version;
>
> These used to work fine with 3.13.  With 3.14 I must remove the ";"
> or else an error message appears: '"menu;" not usable here'.
>
Not a bug, but a new feature, mentioned in section 19 of the KERMIT.UPD
file.  Trailing comments must have a space or tab before the semicolon.

Before this change, it was very difficult to put a semicolon in a string,
such as "get $disk0:foo.bar;3" or "output \27[?63;1;2;3;8;9;15c" -- all
sorts of difficult quoting was needed, which varied with the
macro/variable nesting level.  Now we can write such items without any
quoting at all, as long as there is no space before the semicolon.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>     Regular Form Feed, as a Tek command by itself, means clear the
> screen. It's your application program generating such commands, and thus
> I suggest having a little talk with it.

Um, Joe, my Tek 4006 doesn't clear the screen unless you send it <ESC><FF>.
A <FF> by itself doesn't do anything.
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    Beta-5 15 Oct 1994 of MS-DOS Kermit has several fixes for
problems reported over the past twenty four hours.
    ESC character in \m(blah  did not complete the name of the macro
properly. The fix now allows ESC word-completion within \fxxx functions
which take a macro name as an argument.
    Typing ^U at the Kermit prompt to erase the whole command line
left a remanent which could be seen by typing BS.
    Goto label could find a label which was longer than the target
but otherwise had the same spelling up to the match point.

    Beta-5 will be on kermit.columbia.edu Saturday evening or sooner.
        Joe D.

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    Addendeum to the MSK beta-5 bug list fixes:

    SET EXIT WARNING is back to having a space between EXIT and
WARNING. This will be changed to individual keywords in a day or so.
    Command EXIT now does not continue in a current Take file;
it gets out all the way and exits Kermit (invoking macro on_exit
if it exists).
    Tektronix command Control-L (Form Feed, FF) clears screen. I've
commented it out just now. This command has been one of two screen clearing
commands (the other is ESC ^L) for years and years with no complaints
from anyone. I'm not sure of its heritage since Tek 4010 is implemented
with sundry variations by many vendors. If you are happy and things don't
break otherwise we will leave it out.

    We have a short list of more involved suggestions to consider and
possibly implement, and that will take a day or two to finish.
        Joe D.

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In a previous article, [e-mail] (One from the West) says:

>    I have download the beta version of kermit from columbia.edu.  Now
>everytime I escape to DOS the modem hang up.  Seem like it drop DTR when
>you go to DOS for some reason.  3.13 doesn't do this.  Can anyone
>enlighten me on this problem ? :) Thank you very much.
>
I have the same problem with 3.13 patch level 13.

I got around it by switching hangup on DTR off on the Modem.

/Bill Thorsteinson


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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
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I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might
get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard,
and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer?

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In article <37pqqv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>
> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might
> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard,
> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer?
--------
    Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100
operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are
welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the
sources appear at release time.
    Joe D.

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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) says:

>In article <37pqqv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>>
>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might
>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard,
>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer?
>--------
>    Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100
>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are
>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the
>sources appear at release time.
>    Joe D.
>

Joe,
 You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking
 if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether
 there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would
 support that version of FOSSIL that was available.

 For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the
 Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places
 where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting
 programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let
 the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL.

 So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen
 and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL.

 Basically, I just wanted to know if you thought it might be worth the try.
 I'll read the documentation and fiddle with it if you think it may work.

 Also keep in mind the version. I have no idea how backwardly compatible
 your implementation was intended to be.

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G'day,

I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as
[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling.

Could anyone explain, and advise how to fix these problems ?

Regards,
Bi`nh
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Thank you all for replying
    It is actually something caused by kermit.  I have download a
newer version of 3.14 and it work fine now. Still trying 3.14 :)
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                Network Administrator
                Career Development Center
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From: [e-mail] (Earl H. Kinmonth)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta Ready
Date: 16 Oct 1994 10:08:52 GMT
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: See announcement in comp.protocols.kermit and/or
: comp.protocols.kermit.announce.

I have installed the 3.14 distribution in /ftp/pub/tools/KERMIT
directory on kuso.shef.ac.uk (143.167.25.1).

--
Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
Sheffield, England S10 2TN [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Binh Anson) writes:
> I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or
> reading news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen,
> such as [12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still
> appearing at the top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling.
> Could anyone explain, and advise how to fix these problems ?
>
Evidently PINE, and apparently also your newsreader, turn off flow
control.  Thus, if they are sending stuff faster than the PC can process,
the PC sends an Xoff flow control signal to stop the flow while it
catches up, and this signal is ignored.

Workarounds: (a) Tell the host application NOT to turn off flow control.
Reportedly, the command for this in PINE is "preserve-start-stop-characters".
I don't know about your newsreader; (b) switch to hardware (RTS/CTS) flow
control if your modem supports it -- it probably does.

Solution (b) is preferable.

See the long discussion of Xon/Xoff flow control in yesterday's postings
to this group.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14
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In article <37qd65$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
writes:
>  You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking
>  if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether
>  there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would
>  support that version of FOSSIL that was available.
>
I can't say anything definitive here, not having seen a Z100 for a looooong
time, but there is more to running the IBM version of Kermit on a Z100 than
redirecting COM and console i/o through the BIOS.  There are probably
thousands of other IBM-specific actions taken by the IBM PC version of MS-DOS
Kermit relating to the memory layout, video BIOS, interrupt vectors,
keyboard, networks, and so on.  In particular, I would not expect the IBM PC
terminal emulation code to run on a non-IBM compatible PC.  But I suppose
it's always worth a try :-)

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta Ready
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In article <37qu3k$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes:
> Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : See announcement in comp.protocols.kermit and/or
> : comp.protocols.kermit.announce.
>
> I have installed the 3.14 distribution in /ftp/pub/tools/KERMIT
> directory on kuso.shef.ac.uk (143.167.25.1).
>
> --
> Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
> Sheffield, England S10 2TN [e-mail]

------
Earl,
    That's a gesture sure to save some bandwidth across the pond.
Please note that the files will change daily (hourly) as we digest
all the comments coming in. If testers with reports will please grab the
latest beta before reporting a problem then it will save some time too.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14
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In article <37qd65$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>
> In a previous article, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) says:
>
>>In article <37pqqv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>>>
>>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might
>>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard,
>>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer?
>>--------
>>    Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100
>>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are
>>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the
>>sources appear at release time.
>>    Joe D.
>>
>
> Joe,
>  You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking
>  if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether
>  there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would
>  support that version of FOSSIL that was available.
>
>  For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the
>  Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places
>  where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting
>  programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let
>  the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL.
>
>  So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen
>  and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL.
--------
    Ok, now I understand your request. The answer is no this time too,
but not a "huff and puff" no. The reason is it would very heavily chop up
the program and lose large amounts of functionality. Fossil does not come
even close to providing the interfaces needed and used by Kermit.
        Z100 Kermit does work. Thus I fail to see good reasons for drastic
program changes just to run on a Z100. If I've still missed the point then
please let me know.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen
Date: 16 Oct 1994 17:23:26 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Binh Anson
<[e-mail]> wrote:
|I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading
|news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as
|[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the
|top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling.

I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5
on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET
SPEED 57600.  And yes, I'm using rts/cts.  My XT, apparently, just isn't
fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow
control.  I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data
overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k.  My solution?  SET SPEED 19200.
It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer,
and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k.
---  _________________________________   o   ______________________________
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     Nevada Las Vegas Mission 1992-'94 \_O_/ Columbia University, other New
     Columbia University/New York City   |   Yorkers, or anyone else at all

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From: [e-mail] (Timothy John Flynn)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Why no mouse suuport??
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Why doesn't kermit have mouse support similar to x-win?

this would be very benificial!

I know it is supposed to have copy and paste support, but I have yet to
see it work, so I have to use a tsr called markit.com to copy and paste!
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen
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In article <37rnie$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, Binh Anson
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
> |I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading
> |news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as
> |[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the
> |top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling.
>
> I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5
> on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET
> SPEED 57600.  And yes, I'm using rts/cts.  My XT, apparently, just isn't
> fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow
> control.  I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data
> overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k.  My solution?  SET SPEED 19200.
> It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer,
> and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k.
----------
    Serial port overruns yield a Control-G surrogate for one or more
characters lost at the serial port. Consequences of this are control
sequences, such as above, are fractured and show as text on the screen.
Overruns occur if the port interrupts can't be serviced fast enough
(the system is blocking interrupts for too long). Simple serial port buffer
overlaps occur if the other side does not stop sending before the Kermit
internal circular receive buffer fills; no Control-G's here.
    Both are out of the hands of Kermit and indeed a faster machine
or tighter flow control through the entire system are called for.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Pat Fogarty)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen
Date: 16 Oct 1994 17:51:53 -0400
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In article <37rnie$[e-mail]>,
Yeechang Lee <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, Binh Anson
><[e-mail]> wrote:
>|I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading
>|news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as
>|[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the
>|top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling.
>
>I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5
>on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET
>SPEED 57600.  And yes, I'm using rts/cts.  My XT, apparently, just isn't
>fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow
>control.  I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data
>overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k.  My solution?  SET SPEED 19200.
>It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer,
>and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k.



I am running a 286/12 MHz laptop and ran into the same problem when I
bought a 14.4 Hayes. Did all the tests and tried all the recommended
fixes. SET SPEED 19200 was all it took. Older machines WILL NOT work at
higher port speeds no matter what UART they have.

I've had 3.13 report transfers as high as 2200 cps on uncompressed text,
even at the slow port speed, though 1500-1600 is more normal with my
local provider.


Your mileage may vary........



Pat





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Subject: Re: reading the screen in kermit
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Ken Udut ([e-mail]) wrote:

: There is another option.  While displaying the cursor position isn't
: practical, I know some people have asked about cut-and-paste functions.

I have used grabtext with good success with MSKermit, with two caveats.
It does not work with NCSA Telnet.
It collides with WordPerfect for DOS, but not other graphics programs.
It should "disable itself" when a program tries to use the mouse, but WP
doesn't play well with it.


Available from OAK.Oakland.EDU 141.210.10.117

Directory SimTel/msdos/screen/
grbtxt12.zip  B    9220  920826  Grab screen text, cut & paste w/mouse to kybd.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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In article <37rnie$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee) writes:
> I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5
> on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET
> SPEED 57600.  And yes, I'm using rts/cts.  My XT, apparently, just isn't
> fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow
> control.

One thing to remember is that hardware flow control is assymetric. While the
modem can hold off the computer, the computer has no way to signal the modem
that it cannot accept data. As near as I can figure, the RS-232 guys thought
that computers would _always_ be fast enough to take the data...
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Why no mouse suuport??
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In article <37s14e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Timothy John Flynn) writes:
>
>
> Why doesn't kermit have mouse support similar to x-win?
>
> this would be very benificial!
>
> I know it is supposed to have copy and paste support, but I have yet to
> see it work, so I have to use a tsr called markit.com to copy and paste!
---------
    Text mode screens aren't like graphics mode screens. Kermit is
not X windows. X windows has a whole protocol section on sending mice
reports back and forth between host and client. Mice and VTxxx style text mode
screens mix poorly in practice and the results hardly justify the program
complexity, memory, and user docs explanations. If you have a mouse program
which does all this for you then that's great.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MSK 3.14 beta-5 locks up PC
Date: 16 Oct 94 20:26:14 EST
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I seem to be having a problem with MSK 3.14 beta 5 locking up my pc
to the point where I have to power it down (Ctrl-Alt-Del ignored).
This occurs when my dialup host sends an ANSI home cursor/clear screen.
PC: Packard-Bell 386-sx
Modem: Practical Peripherals PM144MT II.
Dos: Novell Dos 7.0

By setting Debug Session, I can caputure the sequences without the
lockup.  The offending sequences seem to be:
^[[H^[[2J

This happens both on dialin to a unix machine, and a Dec Terminal server.
MSK 3.13 does not have this problem.
This also happened in 3.14 beta-3.

Am I really doing something strange (other than using Novell 7.0)?

Gerry Belanger
Work email: [e-mail].


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From: [e-mail] (Michael Braverman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem
Date: 17 Oct 1994 00:49:32 GMT
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In article <37hqf9$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <37hm8c$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>(Michael Braverman) writes:
>> I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal
>> AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem.  I am surprised by this since the
>> Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport
>> specific dialing script...
>>
>  Stuff from Frank deleted...

I'm following up to this newsgroup since this may be of general interest. If
this problem is isolated to my machine/modem I apologize for wasting your
time.

I tried the replacement DATAPORT.SCR supplied in Frank's response to my
initial query, but without luck.  I have identified two problems with
the script (which, by the way, are essentially the same two types of
problems that I had with the original DATAPORT script).

Problem 1:

After a bit of experimentation I have isolated the first problem to the
following sequence of commands (the line numbers are just added for
reference, and I have stripped out some of the comments in the script):

     1    hangup        ; Begin by dropping DTR
     2    pause 1        ; for one second
     3    set speed 57600    ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it.
     4    if fail set speed 38400    ; If not, use 38400.
     5      echo Configuring AT&T DataPort on \v(line).
     6    :INIT
     7     output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes
     8     chkok {Can't get modem's attention}

The script always gives the error message "Can't get modem's attention".
I put "show comm" commands before the hangup in line 1 and after the pause
in line 2 and found out that before the hangup, DSR is ON and CTS is ON,
but after the pause, DSR and CTS are both off.  If I add a  "wait 5 DSR"
before the "output" in line 7, then the script continues on without
difficulty past the error check in line 8.  Question:   What exactly is
Kermit doing to "hangup" the modem that the DSR is being held low this long?
It is surprising that it is going off at all since the modem, by default,
is set as AT&SO, which supposed forces DSR to always be ON (moreover, I
used the modems AT&V0 command to verify that it was in this FORCED ON
setting).

Problem 2:

Later in the script we have the following lines:

    1    output AAAT E1 X6 &C1 &D2 &Q0 S84=0\13
    2    chkok {Can't initialize modem}
    3    output AT \92Q3\13    ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control
    4    chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS}    ; On modem
    5    wait 5 cts
    6    if fail {Modem is not asserting CTS!}
    7     set flow rts/cts    ; And in Kermit too, but only now
    8    output AT %B14400 S41=1 S78=0\13 ; Modulation = ...
    9    chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback}

Everything is fine until line 9, which always gives the error message
"Can't enable modulation fallback".  The problem seems to stem from
command in line 7 to enable flow control.  If I put a "show comm" after
line 7, kermit claims that both DSR and CTS are ON, so that's not the
problem.  If I put a "pause 5" after line 7 or if I comment out line
7 altogether, then the rest of the script continues on without any
difficulty.  Thus, there seems to be some sort of timing problem with the
sending of an AT command to the modem directly after enabling Kermit's
hardware flow control.

General Comments:

I would like to thank everyone who earlier sent suggestions about my
modem/kermit woes.  A popular suggestion was to add a line like:
    set output pacing 200
at the beginning of the script.  Unfortunately, this was of no help
(I even set the delay as high as 400) in either the original script
or the newer one.

At this point, I have the script working by adding the waits and
pauses mentioned above, but I'd still like to hear from anyone with
an Internal Dataport who has or doesn't have these types of difficulties
so I would be able to confirm whether this is a hardware problem with
the modem problem or just some strange problem with kermit and/or my
computer.

Thanks again for the help,

Michael Braverman
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Marc Wiz)
Subject: Re: BSDI 1.1 problems using kermit and taylor uucp dial out???
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ted Mittelstaedt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>David Scholten <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>This may be in some faq someplace so I appologize about this.  But I
>>am having some weird problems using the latest kermit and taylor to dial
>>out from my BSDI 1.1 based box.  The problems are similar in nature:
>>
>
>If you figure out how to make UUCP and cu/kermit/etc share the same port
>please tell me!  :-)

Patches are available for Taylor 1.05 to use BSDI's bidirectional
port locking mechanism.

I have Taylor 1.05 running on my BSDI box with no problem.

Now if only I can dig up the patches.

Marc
--
Marc
[e-mail]
Yes, that really is my last name.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: MSK 3.14 beta, expanded memory notes
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    A note to beta testers of MS-DOS Kermit v3.14.
    I've received a number of comments about hangups when entering
terminal emulation mode or rolling back a screen. So far as I can
ascertain almost all of them are associated with using expanded memory
to hold rollback screens. That's expanded (paged stuff) not extended.
    By default MSK 3.14 uses expanded memory if it is available;
3.13 used the other default.
    It is vital that the expanded memory page frame, all 64KB of it,
be located where it will not interfere with other memory usage. The
way to do that is tell your memory manager where to place it, usually
with a frame=<segment> command line option. Don't put it in video memory,
seg A000-BFFF. Don't assume the manager will pick a safe spot. Windows
users must do the same, no matter what you said at DOS level, by lines
such as these in system.ini [386Enh]:

EMMPageFrame=EC00            <<< expanded mem page frame
EMMExclude=C000-C007                    <<< protecting stuff from managers
EMMExclude=CE00-CFFF
EMMExclude=A000-BFFF

    Notice the specific memory exclusions to protect things, such as
lan adapter boards with shared memory.
    Microsoft's MSD or Quarterdeck's MFT can show memory layout.
    To see if expanded memory is your problem give the Kermit command
SET TERM EXPANDED OFF before starting a Connect mode session. The rollback
buffers will then be located in conventional 640K memory (at 4KB per screen).
    We have at least one case on record where a memory manager offered
expanded memory services but did not offer a page frame for it. That's rather
silly. Beta-6 will check for this case and decline to use expanded memory
if it occurs.
    Memory management is the user's responsibility, and some practice
is needed to get the most from it. I don't have the time to diagnose mem
managers by remote control, so I wish you luck with the chore.
    Thanks,
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta-5 locks up PC
Date: 16 Oct 94 23:05:46 EST
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I seem to be having a problem with MSK 3.14 beta 5 locking up my pc
> to the point where I have to power it down (Ctrl-Alt-Del ignored).
> This occurs when my dialup host sends an ANSI home cursor/clear screen.

After reading jrd's post on expanded memory, I tried
SET TERM EXPANDED OFF
and I no longer lock up.

Gerry Belanger


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and AT&T Dataport Internal Modem
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In article <37shms$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Braverman) writes:
> In article <37hqf9$[e-mail]>,
> Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <37hm8c$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>>(Michael Braverman) writes:
>>> I have experienced a problem using Kermit with a brand new Internal
>>> AT&T Dataport 14.4 data/fax modem.  I am surprised by this since the
>>> Dataport is "supported" by Kermit, in as much as there is a Dataport
>>> specific dialing script...
>>>
>>  Stuff from Frank deleted...
>
> I'm following up to this newsgroup since this may be of general interest. If
> this problem is isolated to my machine/modem I apologize for wasting your
> time.
>
> I tried the replacement DATAPORT.SCR supplied in Frank's response to my
> initial query, but without luck.  I have identified two problems with
> the script (which, by the way, are essentially the same two types of
> problems that I had with the original DATAPORT script).
>
> Problem 1:
>
> After a bit of experimentation I have isolated the first problem to the
> following sequence of commands (the line numbers are just added for
> reference, and I have stripped out some of the comments in the script):
>
>      1    hangup        ; Begin by dropping DTR
>      2    pause 1        ; for one second
>      3    set speed 57600    ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it.
>      4    if fail set speed 38400    ; If not, use 38400.
>      5      echo Configuring AT&T DataPort on \v(line).
>      6    :INIT
>      7     output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes
>      8     chkok {Can't get modem's attention}
>
> The script always gives the error message "Can't get modem's attention".
> I put "show comm" commands before the hangup in line 1 and after the pause
> in line 2 and found out that before the hangup, DSR is ON and CTS is ON,
> but after the pause, DSR and CTS are both off.  If I add a  "wait 5 DSR"
> before the "output" in line 7, then the script continues on without
> difficulty past the error check in line 8.
    Your modem is responsible for driving DSR and CTS to the computer.

>                          Question:   What exactly is
> Kermit doing to "hangup" the modem that the DSR is being held low this long?
> It is surprising that it is going off at all since the modem, by default,
> is set as AT&SO, which supposed forces DSR to always be ON (moreover, I
> used the modems AT&V0 command to verify that it was in this FORCED ON
> setting).
    Hangup drops DTR. To ensure that the port is accessible it may have
to first fire up the port. It then drops DTR and shuts down the port. Query
commands can reinitialize the port while obtaining information.
    A guess on all of this is your particular modem may really want
considerable delays between these tramautic operations. To try to help
some within Kermit I did more adjustments to the serial port startup code
to treat the system as gently as I can (while applying the 2x4 needed by
some mules^H^H^H^H^Hmodems); this will appear in beta-6 Monday.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) says:

>In article <37qd65$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>>
>> In a previous article, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) says:
>>
>>>In article <37pqqv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>>>>
>>>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might
>>>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard,
>>>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer?
>>>--------
>>>    Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100
>>>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are
>>>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the
>>>sources appear at release time.
>>>    Joe D.
>>>
>>
>> Joe,
>>  You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking
>>  if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether
>>  there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would
>>  support that version of FOSSIL that was available.
>>
>>  For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the
>>  Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places
>>  where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting
>>  programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let
>>  the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL.
>>
>>  So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen
>>  and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL.
>--------
>    Ok, now I understand your request. The answer is no this time too,
>but not a "huff and puff" no. The reason is it would very heavily chop up
>the program and lose large amounts of functionality. Fossil does not come
>even close to providing the interfaces needed and used by Kermit.
>        Z100 Kermit does work. Thus I fail to see good reasons for drastic
>program changes just to run on a Z100. If I've still missed the point then
>please let me know.
>    Joe D.
>

I have to agree with you as far as the Z100 goes. However, you don't seem
cognizent of the fact that the FOSSIL BIOS was created to smooth out
the differences between non-PC compatible MSDOS machines in the FIDONET
communication arena. You wouldn't benefit just the Z100 with such
a project. However, I don't urge you to make this your top priority
as I feel your machine specific Kermits would be far better as you
stated with the Z100.

I really just wanted to know how complete your FOSSIL support was and you
have answered the question.

Thank you.

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit?
Date: 17 Oct 1994 09:15:11 GMT
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Hi,

  What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit?
By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond
with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b'
represents the button and `x', `y' represent the position.  I do not expect
drag informations, etc...  This seems to be something pretty easy to
implement for MAC-Kermit since you already have the option of converting
mouse clicks into cursor movement escape sequences.  If this is not possible
with MS-Kermit, is there a TSR that will shove the appropriate escape
sequences into the input buffer so MS-Kermit will think the user typed it?

  The reason I am asking about this is that I am developing a Text mode
windowing system.  Currently it works with the mouse on my Linux console
using the `selection' program which is able to respnd with button press
information.  I would sure like to see MS-Kermit support this as well. In
addition, the latest version of my JED editor supports the mouse on
character cell terminals in this manner and I would like to recommend kermit
for this.

Thanks,
--
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#
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From [e-mail] Sat Oct 15 14:32:00 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen)
Subject: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it?
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I am using MS-Kermit 3.13 and is very pleased with it.  I would very
much like to have the best usage of the VT320 capabilites, but have so
far failed to find any termcaps with either the zip file I retreived
last year, or at kermit.columbia.edu or in our own /etc/termcap

Does anybody have a pointer to a good termcap entry for kermit?

Thanks in advance.
--
  Thorbjxrn Ravn Andersen        "...and...Tubular Bells!"
  [e-mail]
  <http://www.imada.ou.dk/~ravn>

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen
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In article <37s79p$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Pat Fogarty) writes:
>In article <37rnie$[e-mail]>,
>Yeechang Lee <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <[e-mail]>, Binh Anson
>><[e-mail]> wrote:
>>|I'm using Kermit 3.13, with a 14.4 K baud modem. When I'm in Pine or reading
>>|news, occasionally there are funny strings appearing on the screen, such as
>>|[12,42H , or sometimes the residue of a line display still appearing at the
>>|top or the bottom of the screen when scrolling.
>>
>>I have a similar setup (Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem with 3.14 beta 5
>>on my XT) and a similar problem, but only if I have SET SPEED 38400 or SET
>>SPEED 57600.  And yes, I'm using rts/cts.  My XT, apparently, just isn't
>>fast enough to keep up at the higher speeds, even with hardware flow
>>control.  I see it as well on *blasphemy* Zmodem downloads, where "Data
>>overruns" will occur at 38.4k or 57.6k.  My solution?  SET SPEED 19200.
>>It's not the ideal situation, but it'll work until I get a faster computer,
>>and even 19.2k is greater than 14.4k.
>
>
>
>I am running a 286/12 MHz laptop and ran into the same problem when I
>bought a 14.4 Hayes. Did all the tests and tried all the recommended
>fixes. SET SPEED 19200 was all it took. Older machines WILL NOT work at
>higher port speeds no matter what UART they have.
>
>I've had 3.13 report transfers as high as 2200 cps on uncompressed text,
>even at the slow port speed, though 1500-1600 is more normal with my
>local provider.
>
>
>Your mileage may vary........
>
>
>
>Pat

I have a 286/16 at home (I'll be upgrading to a Tandy 1000 RLX, which is
a 286/10, but FAR more dependable than this generic clone which always
doesn't like working right :-> )

My USR 14.4 works fantastic set at 38400, but tends to lose characters at
57600.  One thing ALWAYS to remember with faster modems (which I've
learned after paying attention to settings!) is:

Use RTS/CTS if your faster modem supports it!!!  XON/XOFF will cause you
to lose chunks of text!  And you may not notice it when scanning quickly
through news, not paying much attention!

Ken
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [HELP] Funny Characters on the Screen
Date: 17 Oct 1994 14:09:00 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> One thing to remember is that hardware flow control is assymetric. While
> the modem can hold off the computer, the computer has no way to signal the
> modem that it cannot accept data. As near as I can figure, the RS-232
> guys thought that computers would _always_ be fast enough to take the data.
>
Hardware flow control as we know it today is, indeed, not described in
RS-232-C, which dates from the 1960s.  However, there have been (I think)
two later revisions: D and E.  I don't have a copy of the newer one(s)
handy, but I believe that we now have separate definitions for RTS and CTS
depending on whether we have a full-duplex or half-duplex connection.

In common usage today, on full-duplex connections, RTS is a signal from the
computer (DTE) to the modem (DCE) saying "I am ready to receive".  In fact,
I think that RTS is now called RTR (Ready to Receive) in this context.  This
is backwards from its original definition "Request to Send".  CTS is a
signal from the modem to the computer saying "Clear to Send", i.e. "I am
ready to receive".

I'm not certain about the exact progression of events, but I imagine that
it became clear to modem manufacturers as soon as error-correcting modems
hit the streets that these modems could not be used effectively without
wire-level flow control signals in BOTH directions, and I think that practice
preceded the standard.  As a side note, in the "early days" of hardware
flow control, we had some manufacturers using different wires; thus you
will occasionally see references to DTR/CD, DTR/CTS, etc.

But to add confusion, even in places where bidirectional, RTS/CTS, "hardware"
flow control is indicated, it is not always implemented correctly.  For
example, certain UNIX terminal device drivers only implement it in one
direction; similarly for certain models of terminal servers.

Modern modems, however, *should* implement it bidirectionally, and so does
MS-DOS Kermit.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: FOSSIL 3.3 for the Z100 and MSKERMIT 3.14
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In article <37str3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>
> In a previous article, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) says:
>
>>In article <37qd65$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>>>
>>> In a previous article, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) says:
>>>
>>>>In article <37pqqv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III) writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have FOSSIL drivers 3.3 for the Z100 is there a chance I might
>>>>> get MSKermit 3.14 to plug into them for console screen and keyboard,
>>>>> and thus actually get it to work on the Z100 computer?
>>>>--------
>>>>    Nope, not from here. There is enough to do to keep MSK/Z100
>>>>operational that I do not want to add anything like that. You are
>>>>welcome to construct an experimental local copy if you wish, when the
>>>>sources appear at release time.
>>>>    Joe D.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>>  You misunderstood me. FOSSIL is a standardized interface. I wasn't asking
>>>  if you were going to put it into Z100MSKermit? I was asking whether
>>>  there was a good chance that the IBM PC MSKERMIT FOSSIL plugs would
>>>  support that version of FOSSIL that was available.
>>>
>>>  For example versions of Binleyterm will accept this FOSSIL driver on the
>>>  Z100 without having been written specifically for the Z100. The only places
>>>  where I have seen this fail is that some supposed "FOSSIL" supporting
>>>  programs only use FOSSIL for an external connection and will not let
>>>  the master programs console I/O be directed through FOSSIL.
>>>
>>>  So what I am asking is will IBM PC MSKermit 3.14 let the console screen
>>>  and keyboard I/O be vectored to FOSSIL.
>>--------
>>    Ok, now I understand your request. The answer is no this time too,
>>but not a "huff and puff" no. The reason is it would very heavily chop up
>>the program and lose large amounts of functionality. Fossil does not come
>>even close to providing the interfaces needed and used by Kermit.
>>        Z100 Kermit does work. Thus I fail to see good reasons for drastic
>>program changes just to run on a Z100. If I've still missed the point then
>>please let me know.
>>    Joe D.
>>
>
> I have to agree with you as far as the Z100 goes. However, you don't seem
> cognizent of the fact that the FOSSIL BIOS was created to smooth out
> the differences between non-PC compatible MSDOS machines in the FIDONET
> communication arena. You wouldn't benefit just the Z100 with such
> a project. However, I don't urge you to make this your top priority
> as I feel your machine specific Kermits would be far better as you
> stated with the Z100.
>
> I really just wanted to know how complete your FOSSIL support was and you
> have answered the question.
>
> Thank you.
---------------
    You are correct, I certainly don't realize what the FIDONET
situation is with non-PC compatibles etc. Maybe you could put some
realistic numbers in here. As far as using Fossil as a PC Bios replacement
that is unrealistic, not to mention that MSK is not restrained to the
PC Bios. What would be better is for volunteers to write the code to
run MSK on the host machine directly.
    Please tell us more.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ron Ratzlaff)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through"
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:32:19
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In article <37kb7t$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
>Subject: Re: Problem: VT100 "print through"
>Date: 13 Oct 1994 22:10:05 GMT

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>(Ron Ratzlaff) writes:
>> I'm using Kermit's TCP/IP capability to connect to a local VAX.  I have
>> Kermit set-up to emulate a VT100 terminal for these sessions.  The problem
>> is when the VAX issues a "print through" command to the VT100 emulator to
>> make print outs and plots on my local printer attached to my PC: characters
>> are missing from the resulting print out.  There appears to be
>> something wrong in the handshake somewhere.  It is especially noticeable
>> when I'm trying to make a plot.
>>
>What kind of printer is it?  Is it a serial or parallel printer?  Is it
>a graphics printer?

>Parallel printers should not lose characters.  It is possible, however,
>that Kermit itself is losing incoming characters if an effective means
>of flow control (RTS/CTS or Xon/Xoff) is not enabled.  The latter is
>much better, but you still have to worry about what happens on the VMS
>system, which does not support Xon/Xoff.  What is the remote modem
>connected to?  A VAX port?  A LAT box?  Some other kind of terminal
>server?

>Since you say you are making plots, maybe you have some kind of graphics
>printer driver installed?

>As you can see, there are many variables here.  But in general the key is
>to have the most effective possible means of flow control enabled at EVERY
>POINT along the communication path: the remote mode, the port/device/driver
>the remote modem is connected to; the local modem, the PC's serial port,
>the printer port, the printer itself, and even the connection between the
>two modems (this happens automatically if it is an error-corrected
>connection).  And VMS itself (SET TERMINAL /HOSTSYNC /TTSYNC).

>As you can also see, most of these items are outside of Kermit's control.

>Who said data communication was easy?

>- Frank


Frank,

I am not connected via any kind of serial interface - not modem (not SLIP)
and not a direct serial line.  The connection is entirely via the Ethernet
here at my institution.  The reason I use Kermit is because I can download
files using the Kermit protocol while maintaining my ethernet (TCP/IP)
connection.  Its very handy because most mainframes around here only support
Kermit for file transfers.

I agree, the problem may be outside of Kermit's control but I thought maybe I
was doing something wrong.  Will try to speak to the VAX gurus about it.

Thanks for your suggestions.....

Ron

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit?
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In article <37tfav$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Hi,
>
>   What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit?
> By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond
> with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b'
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-- this not a
proper Control Sequence by ANSI standards and thus becomes very difficult
to parse properly in normal environments.

> represents the button and `x', `y' represent the position.  I do not expect
> drag informations, etc...  This seems to be something pretty easy to
> implement for MAC-Kermit since you already have the option of converting
> mouse clicks into cursor movement escape sequences.  If this is not possible
> with MS-Kermit, is there a TSR that will shove the appropriate escape
> sequences into the input buffer so MS-Kermit will think the user typed it?

    There is much more to this problem. We cannot have a mouse sending
bytes to the host just because a user bumped it or played with it while
waiting etc. That would be a disaster. Thus the host must request information
from the client and the two cooperate according to a set of rules. So far
there are almost no VTxxx applications built to talk with a DEC "locator"
(on VT330/340's) and none in text mode that I know of (ReGIS yes, text no).
    MS-DOS Kermit does support mice in graphics modes (Tektronix, Data
General) but upon request of the host and obeying the rules for information
exchange between them.
    I suggest you look at various Mouse programs (MS used to distribute
the programs to construct them, easy stuff) which drive the keyboard buffer.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit?
Date: 17 Oct 1994 20:35:25 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <37tfav$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> Hi,
>>
>>   What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit?
>> By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond
>> with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b'
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-- this not a
>proper Control Sequence by ANSI standards and thus becomes very difficult
>to parse properly in normal environments.
>
>> represents the button and `x', `y' represent the position.  I do not expect
>> drag informations, etc...  This seems to be something pretty easy to
>> implement for MAC-Kermit since you already have the option of converting
>> mouse clicks into cursor movement escape sequences.  If this is not possible
>> with MS-Kermit, is there a TSR that will shove the appropriate escape
>> sequences into the input buffer so MS-Kermit will think the user typed it?
>
>    There is much more to this problem. We cannot have a mouse sending
>bytes to the host just because a user bumped it or played with it while
>waiting etc. That would be a disaster. Thus the host must request information
>from the client and the two cooperate according to a set of rules. So far
>there are almost no VTxxx applications built to talk with a DEC "locator"
>(on VT330/340's) and none in text mode that I know of (ReGIS yes, text no).
>    MS-DOS Kermit does support mice in graphics modes (Tektronix, Data
>General) but upon request of the host and obeying the rules for information
>exchange between them.
>    I suggest you look at various Mouse programs (MS used to distribute
>the programs to construct them, easy stuff) which drive the keyboard buffer.
>    Joe D.

OS/2 C-Kermit supports mouse actions while in terminal mode.  The problem
with accidental mouse events being sent are handled in two ways:
(1) SET TERMINAL MOUSE {ON,OFF}
(2) Only supporting double click mouse actions

These were deemed sufficient to prevent accidental transmissions.

OS/2 C-Kermit supports four functions:

(1) Cursor positioning using Arrow key equivalents
(2) Selection with copy direct to host
(3) Selection with copy to system clipboard
(4) Paste from system clipboard

X-term mouse support was not implemented because it is particular to
applications written to run in an X-term session, not under a standard
VTxxx terminal.  And because, implementing the additional escape
sequences could very well break host systems which do not understand
them and/or misinterpret them as something else entirely.

My eventual goal though is to define Kermit Kverbs that represent each
type of mouse event and allow the user to redefine their meanings.
This is a long way down on my list of priorities.  Just a neat idea
that is floating around in my head.

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Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Larry Field)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: ** Help...Looking for ASC II key equivalents for mainframe keys **
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I'm looking for a chart that shows the asc ii key equivalents for an ibm
mainframe keys.  For instance, "esc+1" is PF1.  Does anyone have a chart like
this that lists all the keys?

Thanks,

Larry Field


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From: [e-mail] (Larry Powell)
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Subject: Telnet to Columbia
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  Is there anyway we can telnet to kermit.columbia.edu (or an equivalent)
so that we can download kermit files using kermit? (Rather than ftp?)

--
--Larry Powell    [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <37tfav$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> Hi,
>>
>>   What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit?
>> By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond
>> with the standard XTerm button press info (ESC [ M b x y) where `b'
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-- this not a
>proper Control Sequence by ANSI standards and thus becomes very difficult
>to parse properly in normal environments.

There is a program (and I'm looking for my copy without success at the
moment - if anyone has it, I'm interested!) that will do the following:

Press the left mouse button, and it generates an CR/LF ("Enter" key).
Press the right mouse button, and it generated an "Esc" sequence.
Move the mouse upwards, generates the up arrow slowly, etc.

While this isn't as useful in unix/VMS environments (although it would be
a blast in reading news/e-mail online :-> ), for BBS environments, it is
a help.

Anyone know of programs that do this that are public domain?

Ken
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Telnet to Columbia
Date: 17 Oct 1994 23:03:46 GMT
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In article <37uj6f$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Larry
Powell) writes:
>   Is there anyway we can telnet to kermit.columbia.edu (or an equivalent)
> so that we can download kermit files using kermit? (Rather than ftp?)
>
It would seem logical, wouldn't it?  But currently, no.  A lot of development
is required for this; it's on the long list of things to do.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ** Help...Looking for ASC II key equivalents for mainframe keys **
Date: 17 Oct 1994 23:05:24 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Larry Field)
writes:
> I'm looking for a chart that shows the asc ii key equivalents for an ibm
> mainframe keys.  For instance, "esc+1" is PF1.  Does anyone have a chart ]
> like this that lists all the keys?
>
Any such chart would be totally site dependent.  It depends on the
configuration (and make and model and version) of your 3270 emulation
front end and/or software.  You'll have to see your local IBM mainframe
communications people about this.

- Frank

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From: Clarence Dold <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit?
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[e-mail] wrote:

:   What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit?
: By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond

I don't use it currently, but I used to use Grabtext to cut-and-paste
in MSKermit and on DOS screens.

Available from OAK.Oakland.EDU 141.210.10.117

Directory SimTel/msdos/screen/
grbtxt12.zip  B    9220  920826  Grab screen text, cut & paste w/mouse to kybd.

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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: Kermit over telnet on unix
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[e-mail] wrote:


: How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull.
: I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with
: errors) from a BBS that dosen't let me get at them via FTP.
: Any ideas?
: TIA.
: Ian Stirling.
: send mail either to [e-mail],

OK, I'd use Kermit at the end you are typing from, and use its inbuilt telnet
to connect to the machine that you dial out from to a remote bbs.

Then provided you don't overload the intervening links you can use kermit
over multiple IP and serial links.


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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Telnet to Columbia
Date: 18 Oct 1994 03:48:53 GMT
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In article <37uj6f$[e-mail]>,
Larry Powell <[e-mail]> wrote:
|  Is there anyway we can telnet to kermit.columbia.edu (or an equivalent)
|so that we can download kermit files using kermit? (Rather than ftp?)

telnet grind.isca.uiowa.edu offers this very feature; they have a mirror of
wuarchive.wustl.edu and some other stuff.  Perhaps someone will upload the
latest betas to it.
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From: [e-mail] (John Bien)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Does "Set carrier auto" in ckermit 5A(189) work?
Date: 18 Oct 1994 04:44:41 GMT
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I'm running ckermit 5A(189) on a Sun running 4.1.3.  I can't figure
if this is a bug - or I'm not reading the documentation correctly.

It seems that if "carrier" is set to "auto" the following should happen:
    - Remote system hangs up (and carrier detect goes down)
    - I should automatically return to the kermit prompt (exit Connect)

However - "set carrier" doesn't seem to have any affect.
Carrier is working, as "show modem-signals" seems to indicate.
Before I call "DIAL", CD shows as Off.  After the dial, and
during the connect, CD shows as "On".  Then, after the modem
returns "NO CARRIER", I can escape back and see CD is set to "Off"
again.

What I'm looking to do is not have our operators deal with
the C-Kermit prompt at all.  I'd like to call up kermit with
an immediate Dial and Connect, and when the remote system
disconnects, automatically exit kermit (no ^\c or ^\q).

Any ideas?  Does "set carrier" work for anybody else?

Thanks for any info,
-John

    John Bien                 [phone]
    TRW Space and Electronics Group, Communications services
    [e-mail]            (Internet)

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Subject: Re: Mouse with Mac/MS-Kermit?
Date: 18 Oct 1994 05:34:00 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Clarence Dold <[e-mail]> writes:
 : [e-mail] wrote:
 :
 : :   What are the chances of seeing _simple_ mouse support added to MS-Kermit?
 : : By simple, I mean that if a button is pressed, Kermit would simply respond
 :
 : I don't use it currently, but I used to use Grabtext to cut-and-paste
 : in MSKermit and on DOS screens.

I am not really interested in cut/paste functionality.  In fact, using
something like what you describe is not as flexible as what I have in mind.
The latest version of `selection' for Linux implements what I would like to
see in MS-Kermit or, as a TSR.  I am sure that someone familiar with TSR
could write something like this in half an hour, unfortunately, I do not
have the expertise.

To give you an idea how flexible and simple this idea is, consider what I
have done using selection.  The situation is this:  right now I am at home
running Linux in text (non-X) mode.  I have selection running in the
background monitering the mouse (the TSR would do this).  In the foreground
I am running C-Kermit connected through the phone line to
amy.tch.harvard.ed.  From there I am telnetted to a machine at Ohio State.
On that machine, I am usig my JED editor to compse this message.

Now, I can move the mouse somewhere in the buffer and click on it.  When I
do so, it sends 6 characters:  ESC [ M b x y  to indicate the row/column of
the mouse click and which button was clicked.   When I click with the left
mouse button, the cursor goes to the position of the mouse--- even if it has
to switch buffers/windows to get there.  Now, if I click on the status line,
I can cause the window to split, be deleted, or switch to the next buffer
depending on the mouse button (3 buttons).  In addition, the middle button
is configured to paste, the right to delete text, etc...

How do I do this?  Simple. The editor, like emacs, is programmable.  I have
the following keybindings defined:

setkey ("left_button_down", "\e[M ");
setkey ("middle_button_down", "\e[M!");
setkey ("right_button_down", "\e[M\"");

This effectively binds the three mouse buttons to functions.  The functions
decode the x, y coordinates of the mouse point, e.g.,

define middle_button_down ()
{
   variable use_status, x, y, n;

   variable x = getkey () - ' ';   % (x,y) coordinates offset from (32,32)
   variable y = getkey () - ' ';

   (use_status, n, y, x) = whereis_mouse (x, y);

   loop (n) otherwindow ();
   if (use_status)
     {
    splitwindow ();
    return;
     }

   if (markp ())
     {
    call ("copy_region");
    message ("Region copied.");
    return;
     }

   goto_line (y);
   goto_column (x);
   call ("yank");
}


Again, all this requires is a TSR that shoves ESC [ M m x y into the input
buffer.  Does anyone know where to get such a beast?

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Does "Set carrier auto" in ckermit 5A(189) work?
Date: 18 Oct 1994 12:58:53 GMT
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In article <37vjrp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (John Bien)
writes:
> I'm running ckermit 5A(189) on a Sun running 4.1.3.  I can't figure
> if this is a bug - or I'm not reading the documentation correctly.
>
> It seems that if "carrier" is set to "auto" the following should happen:
>     - Remote system hangs up (and carrier detect goes down)
>     - I should automatically return to the kermit prompt (exit Connect)
>
The proper operation of SET CARRIER ON or AUTO depends on the underlying
operating system.  If the device can be conditioned so that a read() returns
an error if carrier drops, then this feature will work, otherwise it won't.
In general, it works on UNIX systems whose terminal driver semantics follow
the System V model, and tends not to work on BSD-based systems like SunOS.
(Or, to put it another way, it should start working as you want when you
"upgrade to Solaris" :-)

There is a lot of material about this in the ckuker.bwr file, but perhaps
it needs to be stated up front a bit more explicitly.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
=     True enough, but in brief:  In text files, Unix uses line feed (LF)
=     characters to end lines, DOS uses carriage return (CR) and LF. When
=     in text mode (set file type text), Kermit translates from Unix (LF)
=     to DOS (CR/LF), which means that for each new line, your DOS file
=     will be one character larger than your Unix file.

Therefore, the size in byts of a well sent textfile is the sum of the line
and character counts givven by "wc"; "wc -cl"

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Timperio)
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Subject: Problem using Kermit 3.10...
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Help!  I've connected two modems to my ancient 8088 and am having a hard time
getting Kermit 3.10 to work.  The modems are both 2400 baud, both work on a
486 a friend has.  On my machine, Kermit boots fine.  When I try to send
commands to the modem, they come across okay and I see the modem responding.
It will dial my school's modem pool and even connect, but no characters are
visible on the screen (i.e. no CONNECT message, no ATDT, nothing, although the
keyboard commands are registering).  If I set the duplex to half, then I can
see what I'm typing up until there is a connection.  Otherwise, there's no
change.

This copy of Kermit was used on a 286 and a 486 as it's currently configured.
The truly odd thing is that _one_ time when I entered Kermit, everything
worked fine (was able to dial and connect and everything came across on the
screen)but then didn't the next time.

Does this sound like a software setting to anyone?  Is there a Kermit setting
that I'm not thinking of?  I'm very interested in using Kermit because it
supports an .ini file for our school to use software and because it runs swell
on older computers.

Thanks!
Tom


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From: [e-mail] (Wayne S. Mery)
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Subject: beta 3.14 and printing
Date: 18 Oct 1994 16:16:24 -0400
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The 3.14 kermit.upd file states:

 . Revised printer support for better interoperation with Novell CAPTURE


I'd like more information on what was improved.  Also, does the
improvement only apply to Novell or to does it apply equally to
direct attached printers?
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problem using Kermit 3.10...
Date: 18 Oct 1994 21:36:06 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Thomas
Timperio) writes:
> Help!  I've connected two modems to my ancient 8088 and am having a hard
> time getting Kermit 3.10 to work.  The modems are both 2400 baud, both
> work on a 486 a friend has.  On my machine, Kermit boots fine.  When I
> try to send commands to the modem, they come across okay and I see the
> modem responding.  It will dial my school's modem pool and even connect,
> but no characters are visible on the screen (i.e. no CONNECT message, no
> ATDT, nothing, although the keyboard commands are registering).
>
This is the classic symptom of an interrupt conflict.

You should get the latest version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.14 Beta.
Lest you are worried about the increased size of the newer version over
3.10, version 3.14 also comes in a "light" version (lacking networking
and graphics terminal emulation) that should work just fine even an a
small-memory PC or XT.

Included in the distribution is a file called KERMIT.BWR, which includes
a detailed discussion of interrupt conflicts and how to correct them.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Randy Witlicki)
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  Has anyone out here managed to get a Xircom PCMCIA modem
(I am trying to configure the Creditcard Ethernet+Modem unit on
a Zenith Z-Star Laptop) to successfully use MS-DOS Kermit Version 3.13 ?
  I keep getting the message:
    ?Warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios for BIOS3
  This is after various invocations of the Xircom CEMCFG, CMDRIVE,
XEMREDIR, and so on programs in various combinations and also giving
port and irq with a   set COM3  command in Kermit.
  I am able to get the Windows Terminal program to talk happily
over COM3 after running the Xircom PCMCIA setup programs, so maybe Kermit
has a    set hardware don't-be-clever    command that I haven't found?
  The purpose of this whole exercise is to have Kermit take a script
as part of a batch file to log someone in to a terminal server so
Novell LanWorkPlace can make a ppp connection.

 Thanks in advance for any help and sage advice.

- Randy Witlicki   [e-mail]

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When I exit the kermit beta it totally reboots.....

Also kermit beta sends strange things to windows for workgroups and
locks up machine!
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From: [e-mail] (Merrill D. Tritt)
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Date: 18 Oct 1994 16:20:03 GMT
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I prefer using a dos comm program and, unfortunately, it does not support
kermit.  I have found an external version of kermit that I can configure
to work with my software, but it is a bit old and does not support
today's connect rates.  Does anybody know if something like this still
exists?  The file was called PCKERMIT.

Thanks in advance.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: exit causes reboot
Date: 18 Oct 1994 22:01:32 GMT
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In article <381e36$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timothy John
Flynn) writes:
> When I exit the kermit beta it totally reboots.....
> Also kermit beta sends strange things to windows for workgroups and
> locks up machine!
>
There's no point in cluttering up the newsgroup with reports like this.
Please send them straight to [e-mail], and include more
details -- PC and network configuration, software versions (DOS, Windows,
WFW, whatever).  This is not to say that there isn't a problem, but we
need more to go on, and you'll get MUCH faster response from email than
from news.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: external kermit protocol
Date: 18 Oct 1994 22:03:47 GMT
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In article <380sjj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Merrill D.
Tritt) writes:
> I prefer using a dos comm program and, unfortunately, it does not support
> kermit.  I have found an external version of kermit that I can configure
> to work with my software, but it is a bit old and does not support
> today's connect rates.  Does anybody know if something like this still
> exists?  The file was called PCKERMIT.
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes in three different versions: large, medium, and
small.  Any of these can be used as an external protocol by other DOS
programs via command-line argument passing.  The small version is
particularly well-suited for this.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip.

I think PCKERMIT must be MS-DOS Kermit 1.x from 1982 or so...

- Frank

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It is brand new running version 7 (or 7.1) one of my users wants to make sure
it works before figuring out how to ftp it over.  (I have my hair pulled
out on other items of joy, so I delegated)

Robert Morphis
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: will Mac Kermit work on a powermac 7100/66
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In article <381idh$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> It is brand new running version 7 (or 7.1) one of my users wants to make
> sure it works before figuring out how to ftp it over.  (I have my hair
> pulled out on other items of joy, so I delegated)
>
Mac Kermit 0.991(190), dated 16 Aug 94, or later, will run on PowerMacs,
as well as under Mac OS 7.1.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/text, text
(ascii) mode, files ckm190.hqx and ckmker.bwr.  The former is the Mac Kermit
app itself, to be un-hqx'd by BinHex 4.0.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Anne M. NEWLAND)
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Subject: Kermit vs HyperAccess
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Hi!

My sister has a toshiba notebook, and the name of her communication
software is HyperAccess, working with Windows. This program can do a lot of
fancy things, but we
have failed miserably to discover how to accomplish simple things that I
can do with my mac170 and MacKermit very easily!

One thing is that once she has connected to e4e, she gets a black
background with white letters which is really hard on the eyes, I am sure
there must be a way of reversing that but we can't find it!

Another thing is that it is absolutely impossible to print a single
message on her attached desk jet printer. We have done what is necessary in
e4e, for the "attached ansi"
printer, we do "y" to print the message, etc, then her software print
command but it
does not print the message, but the session!! We were driven mad...

Still another, if she wants to capture to a file, then it only captures
the first page no matter how many pages you go through!

I told her maybe she should get Kermit, though I have been told it is not
as easy to use as MacKermit. Do you know if it will run with Windows?

My MacKermit is so simple and easy to use!

Too bad her husband is stuck on PCs ! He could not find answers to these
either.

If you have any hints for us or helpful info, we would greatly appreciate it!


Anne Newland
please reply to<[e-mail]> if not too much trouble, thanks!


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit vs HyperAccess
Date: 19 Oct 1994 00:04:38 GMT
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In article <381baa$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Anne
M. NEWLAND) writes:
>
> My sister has a toshiba notebook, and the name of her communication
> software is HyperAccess, working with Windows. This program can do a lot of
> fancy things, but we
> have failed miserably to discover how to accomplish simple things that I
> can do with my mac170 and MacKermit very easily!
>
> One thing is that once she has connected to e4e, she gets a black
> background with white letters which is really hard on the eyes, I am sure
> there must be a way of reversing that but we can't find it!
>
I couldn't tell you how to make these things work in HyperAccess, but they
all work just fine in MS-DOS Kermit.  For example, MS-DOS Kermit has a
SET TERMINAL COLOR command that can be used to set the fore- and background
colors for terminal emulation.

> Another thing is that it is absolutely impossible to print a single
> message on her attached desk jet printer. We have done what is necessary in
> e4e, for the "attached ansi"
> printer, we do "y" to print the message, etc, then her software print
> command but it
> does not print the message, but the session!! We were driven mad...
>
This too works just fine in MS-DOS Kermit -- printing starts at the next
characters after the "printer on" directive, and stops immediately upon
receipt of the "printer off" directive.

> Still another, if she wants to capture to a file, then it only captures
> the first page no matter how many pages you go through!
>
Kermit gives you several ways to capture files: logging the session,
dumping screens, etc.  You have pretty much total control.

> I told her maybe she should get Kermit, though I have been told it is not
> as easy to use as MacKermit. Do you know if it will run with Windows?
>
No, it is not as easy to use as Mac Kermit -- but it is a lot more
stable :-) (and has a lot more functionality).  It is a text-mode program,
and therefore maybe a little bit difficult for beginners to deal with.  But
it gives you a very high degree of control, rather than doing things by
magic and making it impossible for you change how it works because it knows
what is best for you.

MS-DOS Kermit comes with a very nice manual, which explains everything
very gently, with illustrations and lots of examples.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit vs HyperAccess
Date: 19 Oct 1994 00:05:24 GMT
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In article <381baa$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Anne
M. NEWLAND) writes:
>
> My sister has a toshiba notebook, and the name of her communication
> software is HyperAccess, working with Windows. This program can do a lot of
> fancy things, but we
> have failed miserably to discover how to accomplish simple things that I
> can do with my mac170 and MacKermit very easily!
>
> One thing is that once she has connected to e4e, she gets a black
> background with white letters which is really hard on the eyes, I am sure
> there must be a way of reversing that but we can't find it!
>
I couldn't tell you how to make these things work in HyperAccess, but they
all work just fine in MS-DOS Kermit.  For example, MS-DOS Kermit has a
SET TERMINAL COLOR command that can be used to set the fore- and background
colors for terminal emulation.

> Another thing is that it is absolutely impossible to print a single
> message on her attached desk jet printer. We have done what is necessary in
> e4e, for the "attached ansi"
> printer, we do "y" to print the message, etc, then her software print
> command but it
> does not print the message, but the session!! We were driven mad...
>
This too works just fine in MS-DOS Kermit -- printing starts at the next
characters after the "printer on" directive, and stops immediately upon
receipt of the "printer off" directive.

> Still another, if she wants to capture to a file, then it only captures
> the first page no matter how many pages you go through!
>
Kermit gives you several ways to capture files: logging the session,
dumping screens, etc.  You have pretty much total control.

> I told her maybe she should get Kermit, though I have been told it is not
> as easy to use as MacKermit. Do you know if it will run with Windows?
>
No, it is not as easy to use as Mac Kermit -- but it is a lot more
stable :-) (and has a lot more functionality).  It is a text-mode program,
and therefore maybe a little bit difficult for beginners to deal with.  But
it gives you a very high degree of control, rather than doing things by
magic and making it impossible for you change how it works because it knows
what is best for you.

MS-DOS Kermit comes with a very nice manual, which explains everything
very gently, with illustrations and lots of examples.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problem using Kermit 3.10...
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Thomas Timperio) writes:
> Help!  I've connected two modems to my ancient 8088 and am having a hard time
> getting Kermit 3.10 to work.  The modems are both 2400 baud, both work on a
> 486 a friend has.  On my machine, Kermit boots fine.  When I try to send
> commands to the modem, they come across okay and I see the modem responding.
> It will dial my school's modem pool and even connect, but no characters are
> visible on the screen (i.e. no CONNECT message, no ATDT, nothing, although the
> keyboard commands are registering).  If I set the duplex to half, then I can
> see what I'm typing up until there is a connection.  Otherwise, there's no
> change.
------------
    Please obtain a copy of Kermit distribution file MSKERM.BWR
from directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. This discusses many
common modem difficulties, including your 'talk but not listen' case.
Most likely problem: IRQ conflicts or at a value not assumed by Kermit.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Wouk)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: what gives a telebit indigestion?
Date: 19 Oct 1994 03:12:12 GMT
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i am running into a problem in trying to improve the speed of kermit
operating through telebit modems. i was trint=g to unprefix and then
set prefix via

set control unprefix all
set control prefix 0 1 13 129 141

as suggested by frank da cruz in his postings.

i am running ckermit5A(189) at both ends, and have an att dataport
14.4k modem at my end.

when i run true binary (.gz files) through this, i quickly run into
something which issues a ^C and stops the receiving kermit, when the
remote machine is a telebit. if i remove these two lines, there is no
problem. if i gunzip the file, and send it (ascii) through the binary
transmission, i get no problems.

anyone worked out what gives the telebit indigestion? or is my
dataport?

i doubt the latter, because i have one path in to the remote machine
via a non-telebit 2400 baud modem, and that path has no problems. i
can use the two lines above and my efficiency goes from 75% to 83% on
binary downloads of binary data on this path.
--
--
arthur wouk
internet: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: msk314 beta 6 - whats new???
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What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why?

Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: beta 3.14 and printing
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In article <381aeo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Wayne S. Mery) writes:
> The 3.14 kermit.upd file states:
>
>  . Revised printer support for better interoperation with Novell CAPTURE
>
>
> I'd like more information on what was improved.  Also, does the
> improvement only apply to Novell or to does it apply equally to
> direct attached printers?
---------
    I'd say that if you don't have a problem then you don't have
a problem. Kermit always prints through DOS itself, or what appears
to be DOS on the other end of Interrupt 21h. Improvments include
more tenacious retrying and status checking to see if every byte does
indeed make it to DOS and that DOS approves. Plus closing the printer
channel after closing a capture file (to effectively send an EOJ
command to your NW server).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new???
Date: 19 Oct 1994 12:24:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeff
Bishop) writes:
> What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why?
>
Hmmm...  Seems the announcement never made it.  Briefly:

 1. The program itself has a few fixes, plus a new feature -- which
    is still being worked on:  SET PORT FOSSIL 1..99.  Fossil driver
    users are encouraged to check this out and report back.

 2. User-settable Answerback message (see below).

 3. Some DOC files, etc, that were supposed to be there were missing,
    now they are where they are supposed to be.

 4. A couple new modem dialing scripts that just came in -- Dynalink
    1414, etc.

Lots of people have been asking to be able to set the answerback message,
the text that Kermit sends while it is in CONNECT mode and receives an
ENQ (Ctrl-E) character.  One point of view says this opens up all kinds of
security risks, the opposing point of view says that people should be able
to do what they want.  We are taking a middle ground.  Here's how it works.

SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK { ON, OFF }
  Works as before.  This command simply enables or disables the sending
  of answerback messages in response to ENQ during terminal emulation.
  By default it is OFF, primarily because of what happens when you have
  a noisy connection.  If you want it on all the time, just put SET TERMINAL
  ANSWERBACK ON in your MSCUSTOM.INI file.

When TERMINAL ANSWERBACK is ON, the answerback message is:

  MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_VT320<CR>

In other words, the name of the program, the program version, and the
terminal type, followed by a carriage return.

SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK MESSAGE [ <text> ]
  This is new.  If you give this command and specify some text, then the
  text is *appended* to the standard answerback message, preceded by an
  underscore, but before the carriage return, e.g.:

  MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_ANSI_123 Science Hall<CR>

If you give the SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK MESSAGE command with no text, the
default message is restored.

We are doing it this way because we think it is important to have a standard
format for answerback messages that host applications can always depend
upon, from now on:

  program-name<space>version_emulation[_user-fields...]<CR>

You can play with this feature by telling MS-DOS Kermit to SET TERMINAL
ANSWERBACK ON, and then running C-Kermit on the host, and giving it the
following command:

  ask \%a \5

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: what gives a telebit indigestion?
Date: 19 Oct 1994 12:40:52 GMT
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In article <3822qc$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Arthur Wouk) writes:
> i am running into a problem in trying to improve the speed of kermit
> operating through telebit modems. i was trint=g to unprefix and then
> set prefix via
>
> set control unprefix all
> set control prefix 0 1 13 129 141
>
> as suggested by frank da cruz in his postings.
>
> i am running ckermit5A(189) at both ends, and have an att dataport
> 14.4k modem at my end.
>
> when i run true binary (.gz files) through this, i quickly run into
> something which issues a ^C and stops the receiving kermit, when the
> remote machine is a telebit. if i remove these two lines, there is no
> problem. if i gunzip the file, and send it (ascii) through the binary
> transmission, i get no problems.
>
You should have read the documentation.  Two Ctrl-C's in a row will pop
a remote-mode C-Kermit (189 or earlier) out of packet mode, back to its
prompt.  This is stated clearly and repeatedly in the manual, "Using
C-Kermit", and in the ckcker.upd file that comes with version 5A(189).
This file also describes how to get around this: (a) Don't unprefix Ctrl-C
(3 or 131); (b) change the packet-mode cancellation character; (c) change
the number of packet-mode cancellation characters required for cancellation.

In version 5A(190), we have increased the default number of consecutive
Ctrl-C's needed to cancel packet mode from two to three.  This turns Ctrl-C
into a safe character, in most circumstances, because any run of three or
more characters in the file data will be encoded in a special way.  Thus,
you should not have to worry about Ctrl-C's any more.

- Frank
x
x
x
x
x
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I tried to connect two PC's with a MS-DOS 6.0 InterLnk cable, PLIP.COM
packet drivers and MS-Kermit 3.13. I'm an experienced packet driver &
TCP/IP & MS-Kermit user, but I couldn't get this setup working, so I'm
now asking for help.

The cable is almost OK: only the 25-25 pin connection is missing,
everything else is OK according to MS-DOS 6.0 InterLnk help and Linux
NET-3-HOWTO. I can connect those two PC's with MS-DOS 6.0 InterLnk.

I run the "PLIP 0x60 -t" cable test, and it shows (as Russ Nelson kindly
told me) that the cable is OK: it shows a "1" cycling in a round-robin
way those five digits displayed.

Then I start MS-Kermit 3.13 and issue commands:
  set port tcp/ip
  set tcp/ip address 1.1.1.1
  set tcp/ip host *              ; telnet server mode
  connect

and on the second computer:

  set port tcp/ip
  set tcp/ip address 1.1.1.2
  set tcp/ip host 1.1.1.1
  connect

but the connection cannot be established.

I recall reading some discussion about PLIP and MS-Kermit (was it about
a year ago?) that there was some inconsistency between them (incorrect
simulation of Ethernet or something like that). So, should MS-Kermit
3.13 work with PLIP.COM?

(This MS-Kermit <-> MS-Kermit connection is just a test, the real
objective is to connect MS-Kermit or Trumpet Winsock to a Linux 1.1.35
box. So, please no "just use InterLnk/SLIP/plain serial" flames!)
--
Juhani Jaakola, [e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
>>     I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix
>>     account (this one that I'm posting from).  My mail agent has a
>>     print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.'
>>     I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole
>>     chunks of characters.
>>
>>     I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or
>>     I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my
>>     Unix account:  The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to
>>     the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen,
>>     with an occassional buffer overflow error message.  I have to
>>     reboot my computer to stop it.
>>
>>     I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not
>>     working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory
>>     total on my PC.  (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow
>>     control, so I have XON/XOFF set.)  But now I wonder if it's
>>     something else.
>-------------
>    Once again, please tell us the version and patch number of the Kermit
>involved (we don't service non-Columbia Kermits) and whatever other
>information you think might be important.

    Sorry 'bout that, chief! :)  I'm running MSK 3.13 PL 21 on a Data
    General/One 2T (remember me, Frank? :), which is a very early
    laptop with an 8088 processor running at (I think) ~13+ MHz.  It
    has 640K memory total (no upper memory), and no hard drive (two
    720K 3.5" diskette drives instead).  The OS is a Data General
    revision of MS-DOS 3.2.  The modem is internal; I know very little
    about it, other than it has a top speed of 2400 bps and is at least
    Hayes compatible.  It probably doesn't have hardware flow control,
    although I couldn't say for sure, as this PC came to me sans
    documentation.

    The C-Kermit on my Unix account is 5A(190), beta 21.

>    Is there a communications device between the far modem and your Unix
>box?

    I connect to my service provider through a POP (Point Of Presence).
    To the best of my knowledge, all the POP's are connected via T1
    and/or other links to a central location, where the Unix boxes
    live.  There are 20 Unix boxes networked together, and fed by
    several network file servers.  A router connects me to one of these
    20 boxes right after modem handshake.  If more detail is necessary,
    I could write to tech support or even ask some of the more
    knowledgeable users at this site.

>    The ^F^F... effect could be from a corrupted kermit.exe file, from
>systems problems outside of Kermit, from memory management troubles in the
>PC, whatnot.

    It occurs to me that I was using the same PC and version of Kermit
    to transfer files back and forth on my last account, which was on
    an IBM 370 (TSO-Kermit).  I was able to use a packet length of 2K
    with no problems.

>    640KB is more than adequate to run Kermit (it's a small sized program).
>If you are using screen rollback for Connect mode then those screens are
>stored either in conventional memory (at about 4KB per screen) or in expanded
>memory.

    I have screen rollback enabled (I use it frequently).  The screens
    have to be stored in conventional memory, since that's all I have.
    I used rollback on my last account, and again had no problems with
    larger packets.  There seems to be memory to spare, as I can push
    to DOS and run such utilities as PK(UN)ZIP.

                        Jeff

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Thanks!

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Once the new version of MS-Kermit is out of beta, will a 3rd version of
the excellent book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" appear?
It has after all been 3 years and 3 revisions since its publication.
Mike
I bought the original first edition.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Michael Bernardi) writes:
> Once the new version of MS-Kermit is out of beta, will a 3rd version of
> the excellent book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" appear?
> It has after all been 3 years and 3 revisions since its publication.
>
Sorry, no, there is not a new edition of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for version
3.14.  As with 3.12 and 3.13, you should use the Second Edition of the book
in conjunction with the KERMIT.UPD file on the diskette.  We would like to
produce a new edition of the book with every release of the software, but
it is not possible.  The version after 3.14 will probably be accompanied by
a new edition.

- Frank



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The standard answerback prefix can be defeated with the following or
a variation thereof:
    set terminal answerback on
    set terminal answerback \21Miscreant_Command_Here
However, I don't think the answerback security hole is any worse then
the ability to redefine keys with "set key".

I noticed that the context-sensitive help (?) doesn't abbreviate the
already typed words and word completion (Esc) adds the trailing space.
This is how command-line editing used to be and that is how I like it.

Is the KERMIT.ICO Windows icon file needed anymore?  It is not in mstibm.zip.

The command is "set terminal underscore", but "show terminal" says
"Term underline color".  These should be consistent.

There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't
reproduce.  Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast
to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display.

Kermit still runs wonderfully on my ATT 6300.  Kudos to JRD and FDC for
their Herculean work!

Cheers,
Daniel Lewart
[e-mail]

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In article <383hca$[e-mail]>,
Daniel S. Lewart <[e-mail]> wrote:
|There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't
|reproduce.  Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast
|to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display.

If I SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING BIOS on my Tandy XT then screen updates will be
a ripple.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <383hca$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Daniel S.
Lewart) writes:
> The standard answerback prefix can be defeated with the following or
> a variation thereof:
>     set terminal answerback on
>     set terminal answerback \21Miscreant_Command_Here
>
Not really.  All the characters are still sent.  It's up to the host
application how to interpret them.

> Is the KERMIT.ICO Windows icon file needed anymore?  It is not in
> mstibm.zip.
>
No, it's not needed.  We are not supplying a Windows icon for MS-DOS
Kermit.  Just pick one out for yourself from the little collection of
free icons that comes with Windows -- see KERMIT.HLP for instructions.

> There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't
> reproduce.  Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast
> to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display.
>
I see this too on my SVGA, but it has nothing to do with Kermit -- it
happens at random times no matter what application is running.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through")
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
>>>     I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix
>>>     account (this one that I'm posting from).  My mail agent has a
>>>     print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.'
>>>     I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole
>>>     chunks of characters.
>>>
>>>     I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or
>>>     I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my
>>>     Unix account:  The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to
>>>     the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen,
>>>     with an occassional buffer overflow error message.  I have to
>>>     reboot my computer to stop it.
>>>
>>>     I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not
>>>     working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory
>>>     total on my PC.  (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow
>>>     control, so I have XON/XOFF set.)  But now I wonder if it's
>>>     something else.
>>-------------
    I presume you are using DG terminal emulation, because I've received
another report some time ago with a Connect screen ^F^F symptom. I suspect it
is coming from the remote host, as LOG SESSION can verify one way or the other.
    Otherwise if these things really occur on the Kermit command line
and there are no script commands being executed at that time then it's a
problem of some mysterious kind. MSK 3.14 has a uni-directional flow control
option (SET FLOW) so it may throttle a remote host and still let the host send
XON/XOFF codes as data rather than as flow control signals.
        Joe D.

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Subject: MSK 3.14 beta-3: Set Term Rollback defaults to ON
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MSK 3.14 Beta-3:
    The default option for SET TERM ROLLBACK is supposed to be OFF,
even the '?' help functions says so:
Rollback  (undo screen roll back before writing new chars,default=off)

But in 3.14-Beta3 it is default on.  Don't know if this was planned, or
a 'mite'
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 beta-3: Set Term Rollback defaults to ON
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In article <1994Oct19.104010.2269@debet> [e-mail] (Gene
Scharmann) writes:
> MSK 3.14 Beta-3:
>     The default option for SET TERM ROLLBACK is supposed to be OFF,
> even the '?' help functions says so:
> Rollback  (undo screen roll back before writing new chars,default=off)
> But in 3.14-Beta3 it is default on.  Don't know if this was planned, or
> a 'mite'
>
Neither, I hope.  If you start Kermit with "-f nul" on the command line
to prevent execution of any initialization files, you should find that
SET TERMINAL ROLL is indeed OFF, as revealed not only by SHOW TERMINAL,
but also by experiment.  Ditto if Kermit is started with the MSKERMIT.INI
and MSCUSTOM.INI that are distributed with it.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new???
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
> What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why?
>
------
    I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really
testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final
release.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through")
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In article <37p0k0$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>(Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
>>
>>     I use MS-Kermit over a modem and phone line to connect to my Unix
>>     account (this one that I'm posting from).  My mail agent has a
>>     print on PC command; I currently have it set to 'attached to ansi.'
>>     I'm having the same exact problem-- missing characters, or whole
>>     chunks of characters.
>>
>I can't emphasize this strongly enough:  You must have the most effective
>means of flow control that is available to you enabled at every interface
>along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the
>way to the printer.

    Yes, Pine.  It is likely that my modem doesn't have hareware flow
    control, so XON/XOFF is probably the *only* type of flow control
    available between my host and my PC.  This is the setting I use in
    my MSKERMIT.INI.  I know that I can stop the host from sending to
    my screen with ^S and restart it with ^Q while in terminal mode,
    but I don't know if Pine will respond to these characters while
    printing, or even if C-Kermit is responding to them during a file
    transfer.

>>     I also can't have receive packets set larger than 1024 on my PC or
>>     I get some strange results when I try to transfer a file from my
>>     Unix account:  The transfer fails, and then when Kermit returns to
>>     the command prompt, I get strings of ^F^F^F^F across my screen,
>>     with an occassional buffer overflow error message.  I have to
>>     reboot my computer to stop it.
>>
>This is pretty bizarre -- I've never seen such a thing, and can only
>speculate that this is one of those cases where DOS turns off interrupts
>to write to a (slow) disk, after which matters quickly disintegrate.

    This is entirely possible.  I haven't a clue about how interrupts
    work, but my disk drives (both 720K 3.5" - I have no hard drive)
    are certainly slow.  On my last account (on an IBM 370), TSO-Kermit
    could send 2K packets with no trouble on the PC end.  Even with a
    text file, where a 2K packet writes about 2K to the disk, there was
    no trouble.

>>     I've assumed I'm having these problems because flow control is not
>>     working on my connection, and because I have only 640K of memory
>>     total on my PC.  (I'm sure my old modem doesn't have hardware flow
>>     control, so I have XON/XOFF set.)  But now I wonder if it's
>>     something else.
>>
>Let's look at this connection in detail to illustrate all the things that
>might go wrong, starting from the printer and working back to the host
>application.

>The printer should be a parallel printer.

    It is.

>When Kermit receives material to be printed, it uses DOS services to send
>it to the printer.  If Kermit gets the data intact, but the printer fails
>to print it, then it's a problem with the printer itself or the DOS
>printer driver, in which case, there is little that Kermit can do to help.

    I've used the printer with DOS (copy filename.txt prn), with a word
    processor to print complex documents (eg. text and graphics), and
    with a GIF printer.  It works reliably with all these.

>That raises the question: under what circumstances could Kermit itself
>lose incoming data?  There are (at least) two fundamental reasons this
>could happen: (1) interrupt conflicts, and (2) lack of flow control.
>Reason (1) was mentioned above.  If you have a slow disk and the disk
>driver masks off COM port and/or timer interrupts during disk writes, your
>only recourse is to fool with the BUFFERS= parameter in CONFIG.SYS -- less
>disk buffering could mean shorter amounts of time during which COM port
>interrupts are disabled.  Of course, newer, faster PCs are less likely to
>have this problem (but there are no guarantees).

    I have BUFFERS=10.  Could this be too high?  I'll experiment with
    it.

>Lack of flow control is the more likely culprit.  You say your modem does
>not offer hardware flow control so you have to use Xon/Xoff.  So you tell
>Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff".

    Yes, I have this set.

>Xon/Xoff is a "protocol" like any other, and requires two players, just
>like a game of catch.  The ball is an ordinary data character, Ctrl-S
>(Xoff) or Ctrl-Q (Xon), mixed in with all the other data characters.  Who
>and where is the other player?  (What if there IS no other player?
>The first thing to check is whether somebody, somewhere along the
>communication path ALSO has Xon/Xoff enabled.  If not, then after you
>throw your first ball, you'll never get it back!)

>The farther away the other player is, the greater the chance of error:
>propogation delays, noise, etc, become increasingly dominating factors
>with distance.

    Propagation delays is a likely possibility.  It can take up to
    several minutes, at times, for characters typed into an editor (for
    example) to echo back on the screen.  Sometimes this is because the
    host I'm on is carrying a high load average, but I suspect that at
    other times it is because the link between my POP and my host is
    near saturation.  Noise is another-- I experience occasional bursts
    of garbage characters on the screen, and sometimes have to call
    back to get a cleaner connection.

    However, when neither of these is a problem, printing from Pine and
    receiving packets on my PC larger than 1K during a file transfer
    still is.

>So the trick, is to cut down on the propogation delay:

>  Be sure you have enabled Xon/Xoff at the place that is closest to
>  your PC, and that that "place" is then capable of propogating flow
>  control "upstream".

>Suppose your modem supports "local Xon/Xoff".

    I doubt that mine does.  I think it's probably transparant to ^S
    and ^Q.  Since I don't have a manual for it, I can't be sure.  I
    can make my modem output its profile (showing settings).  I looked
    these up in the Hayes Technical refernece Manual, in an effort to
    identify its features.  Local Xon/Xoff was not among them.

>Another alternative is to position your flow-control partner farther
>upstream, for example, at the host operating system.  If you are connected
>directly to a serial port on the host computer, this is your only choice
>anyway.  But if you are coming in through a terminal server or any kind of
>network, this will increase the propogation delay siginificantly.

    I think the host is as close as I can get.

>To enable Xon/Xoff flow control in UNIX (often called Start/Stop flow
>control in UNIX documentation), the command is usually something like:

>  stty ixon ixoff -ixany

    I checked my settings (stty -a), and found these to already be set.

>> >Try using SET PRINTER to direct output to a file. Exit kermit and
>> >print the file. If the same error occours then its probably a s/w
>> >problem not a handshake problem.
>>
>>     I usually "export" my mail into a file, then do a regular file
>>     transfer.  But this is a pain in the neck.  I'd also like to try
>>     packet sizes of around 2K to see if that speeds up file transfers.
>>
>You misunderstood the suggestion.  Print from your host mail application
>in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes
>printer output to a file on your PC's disk.  This will eliminate flow
>control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself,
>if that is what is causing the problem.  Then you can print the file
>later, using the DOS PRINT command.

    I understood.  I tried this just now, with a fairly large piece of
    mail-- 'thought it might make a good test.  There was no loss of
    characters when I set printer to a file on disk.  Does this help
    narrow down what's going wrong?

                        Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through")
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> >You misunderstood the suggestion.  Print from your host mail application
> >in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes
> >printer output to a file on your PC's disk.  This will eliminate flow
> >control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself,
> >if that is what is causing the problem.  Then you can print the file
> >later, using the DOS PRINT command.
>
>     I understood.  I tried this just now, with a fairly large piece of
>     mail-- 'thought it might make a good test.  There was no loss of
>     characters when I set printer to a file on disk.  Does this help
>     narrow down what's going wrong?
>
On the face of it, this would seem to rule out the PC-to-Pine communication
path, all of it, and to rule in the connection between your PC and printer.
But, no, that's too simple.  Since you can print local PC files without
losing data, that rules the PC-printer connection back out again.

Writing to disk is much faster than writing to a printer, so when Kermit
is routing data to the printer, then whenever the printer's "busy" wire
goes on, Kermit has to flow-control the host to stop sending data.  This is
the weak spot, apparently -- the flow control signal, in this case an Xoff
character, does not arrive in time, and so data is lost because it keeps
coming even though Kermit's internal buffer is full, and the printer is
busy.  There is literally no place to put it, so it is lost.

From your description, it sounds like SET PRINTER <disk-file-name>, since
it works, might be your only way out of this mess -- at least your only
free way :-)  -- you could also buy a new modem...

- Frank


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I have read this series of postings, and have a similar problem.  In
fact, these are the symptoms that prompted me to browse this newsgroup.
I don't know if this will fit the line of conversation thus far, but I am
guessing that my problem (charcters being randomly inserted into text
while I am connected to my server) is because it is VT100, and my kermit
emulation is VT320.

So, I am asking for advice.  How can I change the setting in my kermit
program to VT100.  Is it possible to do so with each call I make?  I have
two accounts:  one VT100, the other VT320.  I'd like to be able to toggle
back and forth, or something equally convenient.

Any suggestions would be appreciated, especially if they are made in
terms that a novice like me would find understandable.  Thanks.

--
----
Ray Pendergast

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3846vc$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ray Pendergast)
writes:
> I have read this series of postings, and have a similar problem.  In
> fact, these are the symptoms that prompted me to browse this newsgroup.
> I don't know if this will fit the line of conversation thus far, but I am
> guessing that my problem (charcters being randomly inserted into text
> while I am connected to my server) is because it is VT100, and my kermit
> emulation is VT320.
>
No, not at all.  VT320 is, in every sense, a superset of VT100.  Any
escape sequences sent to a VT100 will be accepted and acted upon by a
VT320 (or 220, or 102) in exactly the same way.

> So, I am asking for advice.  How can I change the setting in my kermit
> program to VT100.
>
SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100.

> Is it possible to do so with each call I make?
>
Of course.

> I have two accounts:  one VT100, the other VT320.  I'd like to be able to
> toggle  back and forth, or something equally convenient.
>
You can do a lot more than that.  You can write little scripts that make
each connection and set all the appropriate parameters -- terminal emulation,
key maps, you name it, automatically for each account.

> Any suggestions would be appreciated, especially if they are made in
> terms that a novice like me would find understandable.
>
I like to think that the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", does a very
good job at making this material understandable.

But none of this explains why you are seeing pieces of escape sequences on
your screen.  This is happening because material is coming in faster than
your PC can process it.  Either reduce your communication speed, get a faster
computer, or (what we keep preaching) enable the MOST EFFECTIVE POSSIBLE
means of flow control at each point along the communication path.  For
example, configure your modem for RTS/CTS "hardware" flow control, and then
tell Kermit to SET FLOW RTS/CTS.  But then you also have to ensure that the
other modem, and whatever it is connected to, etc, are also configured for
flow control.  Assume nothing.  TrustNo1.

- Frank

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I currently call MSKERMIT.EXE in order to take advantage of
the sliding windows protocol; the version of kermit that is
native to my communications program doesn't allow me to take
advantage of the speedier options that the full program offers.

This works okay, but I wouldn't mind finding a transfer-protocol-
only DOS program that implements sliding windows kermit.  I've
tried the outboard kermit programs posted on SIMTEL, but none
implement the advanced features.  Is there a shareware or
freeware kermit transfer program that incorporates sliding
windows, adjustable block sizes, etc?



Kevin Ryan
[e-mail]
Western Kentucky University

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In article <383l5s$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee) writes:
> In article <383hca$[e-mail]>,
> Daniel S. Lewart <[e-mail]> wrote:
> |There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't
> |reproduce.  Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast
> |to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display.
>
> If I SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING BIOS on my Tandy XT then screen updates will be
> a ripple.
---------
    The slower the video system then the more visible will be screen
changes. The Bios is slower than direct screen writing. Try horizontal
scrolling to see this under fingertip control (without bothering the remote
host). Or just roll the screen up and down.
    Joe D.

 interface
>>along the communication path -- from the host application (Pine?) all the
>>way to the printer.
    <omitting a great deal>
>>You misunderstood the suggestion.  Print from your host mail application
>>in the normal way, but tell Kermit to SET PRINTER FOO.BAR, which routes
>>printer output to a file on your PC's disk.  This will eliminate flow
>>control problems between the PC printer driver and the printer itself,
>>if that is what is causing the problem.  Then you can print the file
>>later, using the DOS PRINT command.
>
>     I understood.  I tried this just now, with a fairly large piece of
>     mail-- 'thought it might make a good test.  There was no loss of
>     characters when I set printer to a file on disk.  Does this help
>     narrow down what's going wrong?
----------------
    Kermit does printing by passing bytes to DOS for handling. If
DOS spends a lot of time talking with your parallel printer then
    a) Kermit's receive buffer can overflow, losing bytes, and/or
    b) interrupts are turned off long enough by DOS and the Bios to
miss bytes arriving from the serial port.

    For case a) Kermit sends XOFF and XON brackets (if that's the
flow control method) to the host to hopefully stop too many new bytes from
being sent while DOS has control. The host may continue to send many
bytes before recognizing the XOFF. Case b) is totally out of the hands of
Kermit.
        File transfers with Kermit protocol have inherent pacing and
retries and all that good stuff. Printing from the host lacks all that
good stuff. With XON/XOFF turned off there is nothing Kermit can do to
notify the host that Kermit and DOS may be rather busy for awhile and
please wait.
    From your last paragraph we can infer your DOS+Bios+printer
are taking a rather long time getting the job done. Since you have
XON/XOFF turned off then at least case a) applies. Should this be
accurate then you need to heavily buffer between DOS and the printer,
by printing to disk or using a print spooler (they have their own
problems) or using a cheap printer box with memory, etc.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Denis McKeon)
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In <[e-mail]>,
Ken Udut <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>But there are programs that cut/paste sections of a screen.

For DOS, uses arrow keys, runs as a TSR in 4Kb, from ftp.uu.net:

92/10/28 00:00    20881 systems/ibmpc/msdos/simtel/screen/snippr26.zip

(msg both mailed and posted)


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: DOS KERMIT transfer-only program?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (KEVIN) writes:
> I currently call MSKERMIT.EXE in order to take advantage of
> the sliding windows protocol; the version of kermit that is
> native to my communications program doesn't allow me to take
> advantage of the speedier options that the full program offers.
>
> This works okay, but I wouldn't mind finding a transfer-protocol-
> only DOS program that implements sliding windows kermit.  I've
> tried the outboard kermit programs posted on SIMTEL, but none
> implement the advanced features.  Is there a shareware or
> freeware kermit transfer program that incorporates sliding
> windows, adjustable block sizes, etc?
--------------
    Yes, but only one: MS-DOS Kermit. However, you will soon have
the choice of three different colors: regular, medium, lite. See the
beta test announcments.
    Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Buffer overflows? (was Re: Problem: VT100 "print through")
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:
>For what it's worth, a note from the release notes of Pine 3.91:
>-----
>Changes since pine 3.90.

>Pine 3.91 is primarily a bug-fix release, to correct many (but not all)
>of the problems reported with version 3.90.

>IMPORTANT NOTE: if you are plagued by messages saying ^X or ^Q not
>defined, or printers losing parts of messages sent from Pine, then set the
>new feature:  "preserve-start-stop-characters" .  This is needed

    [...]

>Although I don't think that this will help in the specific situation
>discussed (but you never know ;)

    I tried it, and it unfortunately didn't help. :(  Thanks for the
    suggestion, tho...

                        Jeff

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In article <3822qc$[e-mail]>,
Arthur Wouk ([e-mail]) wrote:

>i am running into a problem in trying to improve the speed of kermit
>operating through telebit modems. i was trint=g to unprefix and then
>set prefix via

>set control unprefix all
>set control prefix 0 1 13 129 141

>as suggested by frank da cruz in his postings.

>i am running ckermit5A(189) at both ends, and have an att dataport
>14.4k modem at my end.

    My guess, FWIW, is that you'll have to prefix more control
    characters.  ^C and ^Z, for example, are frequently used on many
    flavors of Unix to cancel and suspend, respectively, a process.
    Try transferring your binary file with 'set control prefixed all'.
    If it works, you know that prefixing is your problem.  As the docs
    say, you'll have to experiment with some test files to find the
    minimum set of control characters that must be prefixed.

                        Jeff

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At my place of employment, we have encountered a potentially dangerous
situation involving MS-Kermit and C-Kermit.  We are moving to MS-Kermit
to take advantage of its TCP/IP abilities and to use its file transfer
capabilities.  We are nervous about allowing users to access the C-Kermit
prompt on our UNIX-based host since it is a partially functional UNIX
prompt.  Users have the ability to delete files, move files, change
directories, etc.  Does anyone know if there is a way to restrict the
commands available to C-Kermit?  Can we restrict users to their home
directories?  Is there a FAQ somewhere that would be helpful?  Any
info is greatly appreciated.

Erik Merkley
Saddleman, Inc.
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Leila Burrell-Davis)
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I recently spent some time trying to set up the COLS132.BAT file for
a machine with an S3 graphics card which was not supplied with a
program for setting the screen mode. I eventually discovered that if
I used Daniel Kegel's screen driver NANSI.SYS (available from Simtel
mirrors and other fine ftp sites), I could put many different
graphics cards into 132 column mode by putting the following line in
COLS132.BAT.
    @echo <ESC>[=85h
where <ESC> is replaced by an escape character (ascii 27). The
corresponding line for COLS80.BAT is:
    @echo <ESC>[=3h
(which should work with any ANSI screen driver).

Hope this is useful to someone else.

Leila
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> At my place of employment, we have encountered a potentially dangerous
> situation involving MS-Kermit and C-Kermit.  We are moving to MS-Kermit
> to take advantage of its TCP/IP abilities and to use its file transfer
> capabilities.  We are nervous about allowing users to access the C-Kermit
> prompt on our UNIX-based host since it is a partially functional UNIX
> prompt.  Users have the ability to delete files, move files, change
> directories, etc.  Does anyone know if there is a way to restrict the
> commands available to C-Kermit?  Can we restrict users to their home
> directories?  Is there a FAQ somewhere that would be helpful?  Any
> info is greatly appreciated.
>
Read the document on configuration options, ckccfg.doc, section SECURITY
FEATURES.  If you build C-Kermit with the -DNOPUSH cc flag, it disables
these items.  However, it does not restrict users to their home directories.
You could easily add the CD command to those that are disabled by NOPUSH,
but that does not entirely do the job -- they can still use pathnames in
the many file-related commands.

When C-Kermit is in server mode, you can also restrict access to all sorts
of services by using the DISABLE command.

If you want to take this one off-line, send me email.

- Frank
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ted Mittelstaedt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>If you figure out how to make UUCP and cu/kermit/etc share the same port
>please tell me!  :-)

Surely that's not broken again... I fixed it in 386BSD patchkit 0.2.4.

Just make sure they all use the same lock file format.

(need to make pppd use it too)

>Hey, I am looking for a sendmail.cf that works with UUCP,

Look in /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/cf.

That said, I tried it and couldn't quite get it to work so I stripped
things down to the minimum. None of the Allman mailer definitions really
work for Taylor UUCP and moderately smart remote sites, so I use this one:

Mremote,        P=/usr/bin/uux, F=CmDFMh, S=12, R=92,
                A=uux - -r -a$f -gC $h!rmail ($u)

S92 is pretty much the same as the SMTP rewriting rule.

You don't want my sendmail.cf. It routes everything to smail 2.5, so I can
do pathalias without spending all my time hacking sendmail.cf.

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From: [e-mail] (Richard Kooijman)
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Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new???
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[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
>> What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why?
>>
>------
>    I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really
>testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final
>release.

Excuse me (I am not the original poster), but there is nothing wrong
about wondering what has changed even if you are a dedicated tester
and you want to know which parts should be tested most carefully since
they are new.
And it also helps to know if something has been changed on purpose, so
you don't try to test the wrong thing and send a report about something
that is supposed to be changed.

Sheesh!

Remember the original announcement of this Beta-6 got lost. I never saw it and
Frank reposted it.

I have noticed before, Joe, that you sometimes reply with an answer
that has not much to do with the original question. I suppose that
has to do with you being busy and reading the original message too quickly
and I suspect this was the case here too.

Anyway, good luck with the new Kermit 3.14 (beta-6 worked great for me
both under DOS and Windows), and please relax (you'll live longer).



Richard.

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From [e-mail] Thu Oct 20 12:15:32 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Marek Majewski)
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Subject: Kermit & LAN Manager 2.2
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Does anybody manage to install kermit on LAN Manager 2.x

We use LAN Manager in our office, and I want use Kermit as
UNIX terminal emulator over our local TCP/IP LAN.

I installed dis_pkt9  driver over NDIS drivers but it didn't work ok.
There was a problem during invoking
   LOAD TCPIP
command.

There is no problem when I run pocket version of my Ethernet driver
and Kermit on it, but of course I haven't reach resources provided
by LAN Manager.


Marek Majewski

[e-mail]



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hello eveyone.
i've noticed that when i use kermit (3.14 b6) to telnet to
our vax and use VMS mail, the forground color goes from
bright or bold white to just regular white.  3.13 didn't
do this.  Is this something someone needs to check, or
a possible configuration problem here?  It's very reproducable.
Happens every time.

Thanks, and keep up the good work!  3.14 looks really nice.

rc
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From [e-mail] Sun Oct 21 01:52:50 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax)
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In article <385n14$[e-mail]>,
Marek Majewski <maik@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE> wrote:
>Does anybody manage to install kermit on LAN Manager 2.x
>
>We use LAN Manager in our office, and I want use Kermit as
>UNIX terminal emulator over our local TCP/IP LAN.

I've used the following technique with much success:
(1)  TELAPI -SN3   {limit of three sessions}
(2)  KERMIT
(3)  SET PORT TELAPI xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
(4)  CONNECT

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Subject: Scan code \313 for the space key - why?
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Kermit V3.13 vs. previous releases:

Why has the scan code for the space key changed from \32 (which is
the ASCII code for space) to \313 ?

Background: I've a keyboard driver that maps the keypad keys to special
scan codes and \313 is used with a keypad key. I just wondered why
the space key code had to be changed.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
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Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new???
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
> > What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why?
> >
> ------
>     I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really
> testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final
> release.
>     Joe D.

Well, sounds like he does not want new features tested in new betas now does it
<GRIN>? HMMMMMMM, is this a public beta? I would think it might be
valuable to know if new features are added so that we can test them.
Thank you FDC very much for the valuable input.

Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (Randall Elton Ding)
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I have beta-5 now, hercmono card on a 286 machine.
Bullet (hayes like) 2400 baud reliable compressed modem.
There seems to be some problem with inverse video.   Programs on
my unix host like ELM or RN, which display lines in inverse video
sometimes do not appear inverse with the 3.14 beta version.
I am comparing it against the old faithful 3.11 version.
I will alt-x quit and switch between versions.
The problem is sometimes fixed by exiting kermit 3.14 and restarting
it without logging out.
The problem seems to come and go....

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In article <386qkt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> Kermit V3.13 vs. previous releases:
>
> Why has the scan code for the space key changed from \32 (which is
> the ASCII code for space) to \313 ?
>
> Background: I've a keyboard driver that maps the keypad keys to special
> scan codes and \313 is used with a keypad key. I just wondered why
> the space key code had to be changed.
>
This change was made because of popular demand.  People wanted to be able
to map the space bar and all its combinations with Ctrl, Alt, and Shift
separately.  For example, DEC terminal users are accustomed to Ctrl-Space
sending a Null (easier to type than Ctrl-Shift-2).

The change is transparent when using the regular keyboard drivers, but
if you are using a nonstandard driver, you might have to put:

  set key \313 \32

in your MSCUSTOM.INI file.  In version 3.14, we have also differentiated
the Esc and Enter key + Ctrl/Alt/Shift scan codes.

This is progress, no?

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (I. Stirling)
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Arthur Marsh ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] wrote:


: : How do I run kermit over a telnet link? The man page is not very helpfull.
: : I want to transfer files (that I'm having to get via capturing , with

: OK, I'd use Kermit at the end you are typing from, and use its inbuilt telnet
: to connect to the machine that you dial out from to a remote bbs.
This is what I had guessed I needed, my problem is I can't seem to find
how to get kermit on the unix box I'm typing from to talk over telnet.
I can see options in plenty for connecting to modems, but none for telnet.
I may not have been clear in what I'm tring to do, I've got a
unix machine, that I'm connecting to via telnet, I want to transfer
files from a bbs that seems to support kermit onto the unix box, where I
can ftp them from.
Ian Stirling.

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In article <388j7e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (I. Stirling)
writes:
> This is what I had guessed I needed, my problem is I can't seem to find
> how to get kermit on the unix box I'm typing from to talk over telnet.
> I can see options in plenty for connecting to modems, but none for telnet.
> I may not have been clear in what I'm tring to do, I've got a
> unix machine, that I'm connecting to via telnet, I want to transfer
> files from a bbs that seems to support kermit onto the unix box, where I
> can ftp them from.
>
C-Kermit has a command, TELNET, for this, provided it was built to include
TCP/IP support (i.e. the CFLAGS in the makefile include -DTCPSOCKET).

If your version of Kermit was built without TCP/IP support, but your UNIX
system includes it, this should be a simple matter of rebuilding C-Kermit
to also include it.

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz).

Uncompress, untar, and give the appropriate "make" command.  If your makefile
entry does not include -DTCPSOCKET, then add it.  For further details, read
the comments in the makefile and the file ckuins.doc.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

>At my place of employment, we have encountered a potentially dangerous
>situation involving MS-Kermit and C-Kermit.  We are moving to MS-Kermit
>to take advantage of its TCP/IP abilities and to use its file transfer
>capabilities.  We are nervous about allowing users to access the C-Kermit
>prompt on our UNIX-based host since it is a partially functional UNIX
>prompt.  Users have the ability to delete files, move files, change
>directories, etc.  Does anyone know if there is a way to restrict the
>commands available to C-Kermit?  Can we restrict users to their home
>directories?  Is there a FAQ somewhere that would be helpful?  Any
>info is greatly appreciated.

    I don't know how you would prevent someone using MS-Kermit from
    getting a DOS prompt, but C-Kermit has an option that you can
    define at compile time to eliminate all commands such as push and
    run, which would enable a user to get access to the Unix operating
    system.  (I don't remember the name of this option offhand, but
    it's described either in the installation or config docs that are
    included in the cku???.tar.* distributions.)  However, this will not
    disable (I don't think) such commands as cd and del.  Short of
    tinkering with the sources, I don't know how you would restrict
    these commands within Kermit.  Ordinarily you wouldn't need to do
    that anyhow, because you would set permissions on your files and
    directories to keep your users out of sensitive areas.  See your
    man page for chmod and a Unix guide for more info about
    permissions.

    Hope that helps.

                        Jeff



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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Beta-7 of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 should be ready early next week.  It will
fix some problems that many of you have been reporting, particularly those
relating to command-parsing and execution of TAKE files containing long
and/or continued lines.

Meanwhile, here are a couple FAQ's, with A's:

Q: My old command file doesn't work - comments are no longer treated as
   comments.  For example: "set block 3;Use CRC error detection".

A: The syntax for trailing comments is now a bit stricter.  In order for
   a semicolon to be regarded as comment introducer, it must either be
   the first character on the line, or else be preceded by a space or tab.
   This is to allow semicolons to be included more naturally in commands
   like "send foo.bar;3" or "output \27[?63;15;3;2;1c", and it is also
   consistent with C-Kermit rules.

Q: My system hangs (crashes, explodes, ...) when I use version 3.14, but
   version 3.13 works OK.

A: Most likely this is because of the change in default for SET TERMINAL
   EXPANDED-MEMORY from OFF to ON.  If Kermit tries to use expanded memory
   but expanded memory is configured incorrectly, then terrible things can
   happen.  In Beta-7, the default for this will be put back to OFF.
   Meanwhile, if you are experiencing any sort of problem, begin by giving
   this command (SET TERM EXPANDED OFF) yourself.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Victor Boyko)
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Subject: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320
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Hello!

I have been using msk314 beta6 for about an hour now. It has one very
important improvement--the new version works with my internal PPI
modem on COM4 while the old one didn't. However, there is an annoyance
that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 (and also VT220, VT102 and
VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the
host software (namely emacs) expects 'ESC[A', 'ESC[B', etc. I had to
manually assign these strings to the arrows.

-Victor

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Hurwit <[e-mail]> wrote:
>      Ordinarily you wouldn't need to do
>    that anyhow, because you would set permissions on your files and
>    directories to keep your users out of sensitive areas.  See your
>    man page for chmod and a Unix guide for more info about
>    permissions.

Also check out the chroot() system call.  For example, you could
set up a directory with a kermit executable, and a small suid
wrapper program as follows:

$ cat safekermit.c
#include <unistd.h>
int main(){
    chroot("/path/of/safe/dir");
    chdir("/");
    setuid(getuid());
    execl("kermit", "bin/kermit", "-x", (const char *)0);
}
$ ls -ld safekermit
---s--x--x   1 root     bin        416117 Oct 21 15:20 safekermit
$ cd /path/of/safe/dir
$ ls -ld . bin bin/kermit
drwxrwxrwx   3 kermit   kermit         96 Oct 21 15:20 .
d--x--x--x   2 bin      bin            96 Oct 21 15:20 bin
---x--x--x   1 bin      bin        416117 Oct 21 15:20 kermit


This would limit to the subtree rooted at /path/of/safe/dir the potential
damage that someone could possibly do.

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320
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In article <388neg$[e-mail]>,
Victor Boyko ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Hello!

>modem on COM4 while the old one didn't. However, there is an annoyance
>that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 (and also VT220, VT102 and
>VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the
>host software (namely emacs) expects 'ESC[A', 'ESC[B', etc. I had to
>manually assign these strings to the arrows.

    This brings up a pain-in-the-neck situation with respect to VT
    emulation: Some systems and applications expect '^[[A', etc., while
    others (particularly IBM mainframes) expect '^[OA'.  I once checked
    the file that has the key bindings for our tn3270, and found that
    it is set up for either (so is the default .joerc, for that
    matter).  Oh well, I guess it's fortunate that keys can easily be
    remapped in Kermit with text strings in the INI file, unlike some
    other comm software out there...

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Miriam Chan)
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Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320
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Victor Boyko ([e-mail]) wrote:
:-) However, there is an annoyance that was not present in  3.13.  In  VT320
:-) (and  also  VT220,  VT102  and  VT100) the  arrows  send  'ESC  A', 'ESC
:-) B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the host software (namely emacs) expects


    Yes, I found that the binding of arrow keys really have problem.
It inserts a '^[' instead of '[' in the escape sequence. I am using tcsh,
where the default file-completion is done by '^[^['. So, everytime I hit
the up arrow, I saw the filenames in my root directory :-( Plus a 'A'.

    I think I should have the time to hack and report the bugs in
source code, but til now I got too many things to do, although I still
have the time to follow it ;-).


Regards,
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: msk314 beta 6 - whats new???
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In article <3865oo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Kooijman) writes:
> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>
>>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
>>> What is new in beta 6 of msk314??? The zip is 9KB bigger then beta 5, why?
>>>
>>------
>>    I hope I never see another msg like this here. If you are really
>>testing then please send reports, if not then please wait for the final
>>release.
>
> Excuse me (I am not the original poster), but there is nothing wrong
> about wondering what has changed even if you are a dedicated tester
> and you want to know which parts should be tested most carefully since
> they are new.
> And it also helps to know if something has been changed on purpose, so
> you don't try to test the wrong thing and send a report about something
> that is supposed to be changed.
------------
    Wondering is one thing, demanding an explanation (", why?") is another
and that's what I reacted to. Betas change at a rapid rate, faster than we
can take time to type up a long explanation of what's new, though we do try.
Not every change comes from this list, but we do lay it out for folks by
release time or sooner if possible.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320
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In article <388neg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Victor Boyko) writes:
> Hello!
>
> I have been using msk314 beta6 for about an hour now. It has one very
> important improvement--the new version works with my internal PPI
> modem on COM4 while the old one didn't. However, there is an annoyance
> that was not present in 3.13. In VT320 (and also VT220, VT102 and
> VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D' while the
> host software (namely emacs) expects 'ESC[A', 'ESC[B', etc. I had to
> manually assign these strings to the arrows.
----------

    No need, and a red flag that something else is at work. Let's
explore a little to discover that thing. Cutout from Kermit distribution
file msvibm.vt (this is also in the User's Manual book "Using MS-DOS Kermit"):

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit
environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively.
Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from
the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit
mode.  CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143.  Similarly, DCS is decimal 144
or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \.  APC is decimal 159 or ESC _.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys
Key        Verb    IBM    VT320/VT102 mode    VT52/H19 mode
            key    Cursor    Application    Cursor or Application

up        uparr    up    CSI A    SS3 A        ESC A
down        dnarr    down    CSI B    SS3 B        ESC B
right        rtarr    right    CSI C    SS3 C        ESC C
left        lfarr    left    CSI D    SS3 D        ESC D

    Now, the curious thing is if the comms channel is presumed to be
8-bits wide then CSI goes out just fine as an 8-bit control code. But
if the channel chops the high bit then what's left of CSI looks exactly
the same as ESC (155 - 128 = 27). Hmmmmm.
    We've warned folks time and again that comms channels may not
be clean or 8-bits wide and there is no safe way of discovering these
details automatically. And this seems to be such a case.
    Since Kermit can't know the channel eats the high bit we educate
Kermit on the matter. SET PARITY SPACE in Kermit says the channel changes
all high bits to zeros, so please accomodate. And Kermit does so by sending
eight bit control codes as seven bit equivalents. CSI goes to ESC [. Ah ah!
See top line of cutout.
    Notice something else in the cutout. The arrow keys send different
things depending on the mode induced by the host; one string does not fit
all occassions. That's why these keys are Kermit keyboard "verbs", because
Kermit knows which string to send under each condition without bothering
the user.
    I'm glad to hear that things are better with your modem. That's
always a sensitive area.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Russ Crisp) writes:
>
> hello eveyone.
> i've noticed that when i use kermit (3.14 b6) to telnet to
> our vax and use VMS mail, the forground color goes from
> bright or bold white to just regular white.  3.13 didn't
> do this.  Is this something someone needs to check, or
> a possible configuration problem here?  It's very reproducable.
> Happens every time.
>
> Thanks, and keep up the good work!  3.14 looks really nice.
---------------
    There is a bug in the handling of bold video attribute. It's
fixed in beta-7, but beta-7 has some other things requiring time
to straighten out. Thus we won't be issuing beta-7 until after the
weekend.
    Thanks,
    Joe D.

terly about the Control-space part not yielding \0 in
Kermit I had to alias the space bar to s
an codes rather than its
natural ASCII value \32.
        Joe D.

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Can somebody help me.  I have a dial up account to the internet.  In order to
download stuff I use a version of procomm (shareware) that supports the
kermit protocol.  But I am not sure how I would go about using kermit to
download.  If anyone knows what I'm talking about or knows how to help, please
respond.  I will greatly appreciate it.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Nolan)
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> (Victor Boyko) writes:
>> VT102 and VT100) the arrows send 'ESC A', 'ESC B', 'ESC C', and 'ESC D'

In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit
>environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively.
>Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from
>the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit

As I understand that: if I have set terminal control 7, I should get ESC [ A
etc?  show term says Term controls: 7-bit.  I still get \233 A (the 8-bit CSI)
I explicitly set term control 7, and I still get \233 A.
I set term byte 7 and set parity space, and then I get \033 A.

This is using vt102 emulation in MSK 3.14 beta-6


-Mike Nolan
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:     No need, and a red flag that something else is at work.
:     Joe D.

I noticed the same thing.  For example F1 is defined to be \KPF1, and sends
out ESC O P normally.   However, with SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT, it becomes
C-O P which doesn't seem to be right.  Uparrow normally is ESC [ A but
becomes ESC A.  I had just discovered the cause, but was going to wait until
the beta 7, but since you brought it up...

I had been using the SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to get the PC graphics
characters displayed properly, and when I first tried 3.14 B6, my function
keys stopped working.

Steve

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How do I set my kermit program to autodownload with APC's when I type in
kermit -s <filename> on the remote computer?
BTW, the APC documentation is not quite clear to me which is why I am
asking this question.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: APC's and auto-downloading
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes:
> How do I set my kermit program to autodownload with APC's when I type in
> kermit -s <filename> on the remote computer?
>
The host application must send an APC escape sequence containing "receive",
e.g.

  kermit -C "apc receive, send foo.bar"

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes:
>
> How do I delete files after sending them through the kermit -s <filename>
> command, like the sz -u command in Zmodem?  (BTW, I do not want this as the
> default)
>
You'll have to write a macro for this, e.g.

  define usend send \%1, if success delete \%1

and then use "usend" instead of send.  If you want to access this command
from the system command line, do it like this:

  kermit -C "usend foo.bar"

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-7 Ready for Testing
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-7 is now available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes include:

 . Windows PIF file: Program version number corrected to 3.14; hardwired
   pathname is now avoided on the assumption that KERMIT.EXE has been
   installed somewhere in your PATH, so now the PIF file does not need
   alteration by those who do not install KERMIT.EXE in C:\KERMIT (follow
   the Windows installation instructions in the top-level READ.ME file).

 . Fossil code now reinitializes the fossil driver upon return from DOS;
   fossil/BBS operations should work smoother now.

 . TAKE-file reader bugs fixed; TAKE-file command lines can be up to
   1000 characters in length (hyphenated or not).

 . More work on improving ESC key word completion in the command line
   parser.

 . Various other fixes to command parser, mainly involving improper
   responses to illegal commands.

 . Tektronix-mode escape-back/connect-again now goes back to Tek screen
   as it should, rather than to text screen.

 . Status-line legend 7n1 is now explained in Alt-h popup help screen.

 . In ANSI emulation, Ctrl-L is now treated as ANSI home-and-clear-screen.

 . SET TERM EXPANDED-MEMORY default is back to OFF.  Using expanded
   memory, if it is present, by default should be safe, but it seems that
   memory-management configurations are often incorrect and/or
   inconsistent (e.g. between DOS and Windows).  Also, additional
   consistency/sanity checks are made when you SET TERM EXPANDED ON.

 . SET TERM CONTROLS {7,8} again operates as advertised; thus arrow keys,
   etc, send 7-bit (default) or 8-bit CSI.  Prior to Beta-7, arrow-key
   (etc) sequences would be improperly sent in 8-bit form when TERMINAL
   CONTROLS 7 if TERM CHARACTER-SET was TRANSPARENT.  This should clear up
   the problems recently reported with arrow keys, etc.

 . Visual bold attribute in terminal emulation corrected to track user
   preference set via the SET TERM COLOR command.

 . SHOW TERM now says "underscore" rather than "underline", to agree with
   the SET TERM UNDERSCORE command.

Please continue to send Beta test reports by e-mail to [e-mail].

- Frank

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I would like to ask if anybody has a way of sending an apc string
from a host machine to a ms-kermit user 'asking' or requesting
ms-kermit to send back it's version.

The reason for this is that I want to be able to determine if the
user is running an older version of ms-kermit that supports the old
terminals/terminals functions or the new apc functions...

Thanks for any help...

[e-mail]


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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rene
Ouimet) writes:
> I would like to ask if anybody has a way of sending an apc string
> from a host machine to a ms-kermit user 'asking' or requesting
> ms-kermit to send back it's version.
>
> The reason for this is that I want to be able to determine if the
> user is running an older version of ms-kermit that supports the old
> terminals/terminals functions or the new apc functions...
>
Well, this is tricky.  Starting in version 3.14, Kermit sends its
version as part of the Answerback string:

  MS-DOS KERMIT_314_term-type<CR>

In version 3.13, the answerback string was:

  MS-DOS KERMIT

(but with no CR on the end).

In version 3.12 and earlier, there was no answerback message.

Thus, if you can get each PC user to SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK ON,
and then send an ENQ character (Ctrl-E), and if you get back
MS-DOS KERMIT" in response, then it's version 3.13 or later and therefore
OK to use APC.  But then, if you can get them to SET TERMINAL ANSWERBACK
ON, you can just as easily get them to SET TERMINAL APC ON.

I don't think there is any good way to do this that will always work.
In 3.0 through 3.12, the TERMINALR/S macros had no definitions, and so
it does no good to send the corresponding sequences -- you might or might
not get anything back, and even if something does come back you can't
predict what it will be.

In 3.13 and later you can't use an APC sequence to ask any questions, because
any function (like OUTPUT) that could send arbibrary material to the host
in response to an escape sequence is disabled by default, for safety.
Similarly, answerback messages are also disabled by default, though this is
not for safety as much as it is a defense against noisy connections.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: msk314 beta6 problems with arrows in vt320
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In article <38eu0n$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Stephen G. Roseman) writes:
> :     No need, and a red flag that something else is at work.
> :     Joe D.
>
> I noticed the same thing.  For example F1 is defined to be \KPF1, and sends
> out ESC O P normally.   However, with SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT, it becomes
> C-O P which doesn't seem to be right.  Uparrow normally is ESC [ A but
> becomes ESC A.  I had just discovered the cause, but was going to wait until
> the beta 7, but since you brought it up...
>
> I had been using the SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to get the PC graphics
> characters displayed properly, and when I first tried 3.14 B6, my function
> keys stopped working.
>
> Steve
-------
    Ok, I now understand the problem. It's fixed in the next beta
release, as they say.
    Situation is like this. With TRANSPARENT GRight some people still
want to deal with glyphs in the C1 8-bit control area, and they may do so
via ALT-nnn and the like. Thus for TRANSPARENT 8-bit stuff is sent as-is.
But the keyboard verbs (arrows etc) went though the same procedure, and
thus could come out as SS3 P and so forth. Comments on choppage still apply.
In beta-7 have added a separate pathway for the keyboard verbs such that
they are converted into 7-bit equivalents if SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT
has been given.
    Beta-7 will be available Monday, baring any last minute discoveries.
Since News postings to/from my place take at least a day to cross the country
you may see beta-7 before this message.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Leila Burrell-Davis)
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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it?
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Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen ([e-mail]) wrote:
% I am using MS-Kermit 3.13 and is very pleased with it.  I would very
% much like to have the best usage of the VT320 capabilites, but have so
% far failed to find any termcaps with either the zip file I retreived
% last year, or at kermit.columbia.edu or in our own /etc/termcap

% Does anybody have a pointer to a good termcap entry for kermit?

Here you go. Perhaps the Kermit team would like to pick it up and
include it in the distribution. I haven't been watching comp.terminals
lately, so I don't know if there's a more recent version.

Leila
--
# Description: DEC vt320 termcap entry
#
#       Created by: [e-mail] on 10 Feb 1990.
# Last modified by: [e-mail] on 20 Mar 1990.
# Posted to USENET newsgroup comp.terminals on 15 Feb 1990.
# Reposted to USENET newsgroup comp.terminals on 20 Mar 1990.
# ------------------------------------------------------------------------
#
# This vt320 termcap entry is a test entry for a vt320.  (Imagine that? ;-)
# It was written from scratch.  All (well, at least, most :) of the
# capabilities have been commented and should be approximately in the order
# that they are in the entry.  I took some educated guesses at some of
# these, with info from the vt320 "Installing and Using .." manual and from
# some other termcap entries.  I have yet to test the status line stuff, I
# will probably test it soon, though.  Where I wasn't sure what to put for
# a capability, I added a comment of some sort.  Also, the initialization
# string has comments about what each control sequence is supposed to do.
# If you have any comments or questions regarding this termcap entry, or if
# you see something I missed, please send me a note.  Thanks...
#
# Enjoy!!
#
#            -jeff
#
# p.s. Yeah, all these comments don't need to be included, but (who knows?)
# they might be useful for some of those out there that have not built a
# termcap entry before, or have forgotten.  If any changes are made that I
# feel should be reposted, I will probably only post the main termcap entry
# with the comment for the `is' capability only.  But, then...I dunno.. :)
#
# Jeff Kellem
# INTERNET: [e-mail]   (or [e-mail])
# UUCP: ...!harvard!bu-cs!composer
# ------------------------------------------------------------------------
#    hs: has status line
#    es: other display cmds work while writing the status line
#        (i.e. escape strings work)
##    ts: cmds to move cursor into status line
#        moves to status line, moves cursor to 1,1 in status line (?),
#        then clears to end of line
#    fs: cmds to move cursor back from status line to previous position
#    ds: cmds to disable the display of the status line
#        maybe we should just set status line type to none for disable
#        as in,        :ds=\E[0$~
#        but, then, may have to chg to host-writable stat line to
#        move into it.  :(  probably leave it alone for now..
#        anyways, would rather just keep it host-writable..
#        currently, we're doing ..
#        moves to status line, moves cursor to 1,1 in status line (?),
#        clears to end of line, then moves cursor back to prev position
#    im: enter insert mode
#    ei: exit insert mode
#    IC: insert N chars
#    mi: safe to move cursor in insert mode. I'm assuming that the
#        terminal remains in insert mode. (I need better technical docs ;-)
#    dc: cmds to delete one char position at the cursor
#    DC: cmds to delete N chars
#    dm & ed: enter/exit delete mode .. should these be here? NO del mode!
#        in some termcap entries they seem to be set to nothing, as in:
#        :dm=:ed=:  ... and others they are nonexistent
#    al & AL: insert one/N line/s
#    dl & DL: delete one/N line/s
#    cs: set scroll region - 2 args, top and bottom lines of region
#    sf: cmds to scroll one line up
#    sr: cmds to scroll one line down
#    am: flag says wrap on margin
#    xn: flag says cursor on last column/line wrap glitch
#    ce: cmds to clear to EOL
#    cl: cmds to clear entire screen and position cursor at upper left
#    cd: cmds to clear the line the cursor is on to end of screen
#    ec: cmds to clear N chars, starting with char cursor is on
#    cm: cmds to move to cursor position LINE, COLUMN
#    ho: cmds to move cursor to home position, upper left corner
# @@@ NO ll: cursor to lower left ??
#    cr: cursor to beginning of line ?? set to ^M right now, why not?
#    nw: cmds to move cursor to beginning of next line
#    ta: cmds to move cursor forward to next hardware tab
# @@@ NO bt: NO backward tab that I can find .. so, NOT included
#    bs: ADDED 27 Feb 1990, nethack and some older programs need this
#        `bs' capability is obsolete now, though...
#    le: cmds to move cursor left one column - should this just be ^H ??
#    bc: OBSOLETE - same as `le' capability --REMOVED
#    nd: cmds to move cursor right one column
#    up & do: cmds to move cursor up/down one line
#    LE,RE,UP,DO: move cursor N of above lower case capabilities
#    sc & rc: save/restore cursor position
#    so & se: start/end standout mode (reverse video)
#    ms: says that it is safe to move cursor in standout mode..
#        is this ok??? @@@ ?? seems so..but, maybe not..who knows?
#    mb: cmds to turn on blinking attribute
#    md: cmds to turn on bold/double-bright attribute
#    mk: cmds for invisible attribute
#    mr: cmds to turn on reverse attribute
#    me: cmds to turn OFF all attributes
# @@@ What about uc & ul capabilities .. old underlining stuff..??
# @@@   doesn't seem like vt320 can deal with it, but who knows?
# @@@ What to do about alternate character set??  vt320 can handle more
# @@@ than one alternate set, it looks like.
#    vi & ve: cmds to turn cursor off & on
#    bl: cmds to sounds bell
#    ks: cmds to put numeric keypad and cursor keys in application mode
#    ke: cmds to put numeric keypad and cursor keys back to normal
#    kl/kr/ku/kd: chars sent by left/right/up/down arrow keys in appl mode
#    k1 .. k4: chars sent by pf1 .. pf4 keys
#    l1 .. l4: strings on pf1 .. pf4 keys (really, "pf1" to "pf4")
#       @@@      put here so as not to confuse with f1 to f4 keys
#    kD: chars sent by the `Remove' key ("delete char" key)
#    kI: chars sent by the `Insert Here' key ("ins char" or
#        "enter ins mode" key)
#    kN: chars sent by the `Next Screen' key ("next page" key)
#    kP: chars sent by the `Prev Screen' key ("previous page" key)
#      what about "scroll forward/reverse" key capabilties instead?? nah..
#    is: initialization string
#        exit vt52 mode
#        set operating mode to vt300 mode, 7-bit controls (default)
#        soft terminal reset
#        set screen width to 80 columns, side-effect => clears screen
#        set screen mode to dark background
#        OVERRIDE disabling of autowrap (from soft reset)
#        probably shouldn't, but who cares?  :)
#        set autorepeat mode on
#        set scrolling to jump scroll
#        set keyboard usage mode to typewriter
#        set status line type to host-writable
#  @@@  set tab stops to every 8 positions (only first 9, for 80 col)
#  @@@  *NO* need to set tab stops.  `tset' should try to do it, since `ct'
#  @@@  and `st' capabilities exist.  It uses a combination of `ct', `st',
#  @@@  and `ch' (or `cm') capabilities to set tab stops at every 8 pos.
#
#    rs: reset string, same as `is' capability, right now..
#        any other suggestions?
#    st: cmds to set tab stop at current cursor column
#    ct: cmds to clear all tab stops
#
db|vt320|vt300|vt320-am|vt300-am|dec vt320 w/am:\
    :co#80:li#24:\
    :hs:\
    :es:\
    :ts=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K:\
    :fs=\E[0$}:\
    :ds=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K\E[0$}:\
    :im=\E[4h:ei=\E[4l:mi:\
    :IC=\E[%d@:\
    :dc=\E[P:DC=\E[%dP:\
    :al=\E[L:AL=\E[%dL:dl=\E[M:DL=\E[%dM:\
    :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:sf=\ED:sr=\EM:\
    :am:xn:\
    :ce=\E[K:cl=\E[H\E[J:cd=\E[J:ec=\E[%dX:\
    :cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:ho=\E[H:\
    :cr=^M:nw=\EE:ta=^I:bs:\
    :le=\E[D:nd=\E[C:up=\E[A:do=\E[B:\
    :LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:DO=\E[%dB:\
    :sc=\E7:rc=\E8:\
    :so=\E[7m:se=\E[27m:ms:\
    :mb=\E[5m:md=\E[1m:mk=\E[m:mr=\E[7m:me=\E[m:\
    :us=\E[4m:ue=\E[24m:\
    :vi=\E[?25l:ve=\E[?25h:\
    :bl=^G:\
    :ks=\E[?1h\E=:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\
    :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ku=\EOA:kd=\EOB:\
    :k1=\EOP:k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:\
    :l1=PF1:l2=PF2:l3=PF3:l4=PF4:\
    :kD=\E[3~:kI=\E[2~:kN=\E[6~:kP=\E[5~:\
    :is=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\
    :rs=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\
    :st=\EH:ct=\E[3g:
#
db|vt320-w|vt300-w|dec vt300:\
    :co#132:\
    :is=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3h\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\
    :tc=vt320:
#
#    da: says scroll up may bring back some lines..does it? haven't
#        tried it.  (Maybe should get rid of `da'...up to you.)
#    Are there any other enhancements made in Kermit's vt320 emulation
#    that I should add?
#
de|vt320-kermit|mskermit|kermit-vt320|MS-Kermit v3.00 vt320 emulation:\
    :ch=\E[%dG:cv=\E[%dd:\
    :da:tc=vt320:
# these names are getting ridiculous ..
de|vt320-kermit-w|mskermit-w|kermit-vt320-w|MS-Kermit vt320 (wide):\
    :co#132:\
    :is=\E<\E[63;1"p\E[!p\E[?3h\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[?4l\E[?68l\E[2$~:\
    :tc=vt320-kermit:
# End of vt320 termcap entry
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From: [e-mail] (David Harnick-Shapiro)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen?
Date: 24 Oct 1994 12:27:53 -0700
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Executive Summary:
    Is there an option to prevent the CONNECT command from
    clearing the screen?

Fuller Description:
    I'm writing a TAKE file;  it handles everything up to the
    prompt for the user's login name, at which point control
    is handed over the user (via CONNECT).  But executing
    CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved
    by the loss of the prompt for the login name.

    I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts
    are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are
    doing the blanking).

Apology:
    If this is not the right newsgroup for a question of this
    level, I do apologise.  I won't bore you with the list of
    places I looked before posting, but, honest, I did look :-)

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David Harnick-Shapiro   Support Group, Department of       [e-mail]
                      Information and Computer Science   ucbvax!ucivax!david
                      University of California, Irvine

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen?
Date: 24 Oct 1994 22:04:04 GMT
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In article <38h1rp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (David
Harnick-Shapiro) writes:
> Executive Summary:
>     Is there an option to prevent the CONNECT command from
>     clearing the screen?
>
> Fuller Description:
>     I'm writing a TAKE file;  it handles everything up to the
>     prompt for the user's login name, at which point control
>     is handed over the user (via CONNECT).  But executing
>     CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved
>     by the loss of the prompt for the login name.
>
If the command parser is active, then the terminal emulator is not
active, and vice versa.  There is no screen to clear.  The terminal
screen is created when you first CONNECT, which is after your
script program has finished executing.  There is no way around this.

To soothe your users, maybe you could add a message to your script
program like:

  echo Your are now logged in to blah.  In a moment, you will be
  echo connected to blah.  Please do not be unnerved by the blank screen.
  getc \%a Press any key to begin your session...

>     I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts
>     are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are
>     doing the blanking).
>
Version 3.13 has been out since June 1993, and we are now beta-testing
version 3.14 (note: the GETC command in the example above is new to 3.14).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Victor Boyko)
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Subject: Looping until keypress
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Hello!

I need a macro to output a carriage return (\13) every five seconds
until any key is pressed. I put the following in my mscustom.ini file

def loop -
:l -
set alarm 5,-
pause 5,-
if not alarm goto e,-
output \13,-
goto l,-
:e -
end

However, it does not work when I type loop from the command line.
Sometimes it just returns to the prompt in 5 seconds,
and sometimes it sends \13 every 5 seconds, but does not exit when I
press a key. Strangely, if I make a script loop.scr

:l
set alarm 5
pause 5
if not alarm goto e
output \13
goto l
:e
end

then 'take loop.scr' does exactly what I want. However, this is
inconvenient since I have to be in the directory where loop.scr is.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Victor

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From: [e-mail] (J. E. Fritz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: New apc in kermit 3.13
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rene Ouimet) writes:
> I would like to ask if anybody has a way of sending an apc string
> from a host machine to a ms-kermit user 'asking' or requesting
> ms-kermit to send back it's version.
>
> The reason for this is that I want to be able to determine if the
> user is running an older version of ms-kermit that supports the old
> terminals/terminals functions or the new apc functions...

We use the PRODUCT macro for this, since it is supported in both 3.12
and 3.13.  On the other hand, we were lucky enough to have started doing
this in 3.12, so the move to 3.13 was fairly smooth.

-Fritz

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From: [e-mail] (Richard L. Hamilton)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Looking for multiple phone number macro
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Anyone have a macro for dialing multiple phone numbers in C-kermit?
Ok to assume same parameters (baud, parity, etc).  It should
try the numbers in sequence, repeating that sequence until a successful
connection was made or it was interrupted.

I was envisioning a macro that could be used in .ksd, and the first
time it was invoked would load an array from a new file, say $HOME/.kgd,
that would define named groups of related numbers.  These named groups
would be used with the macro in place of the phone number, and the
macro itself would be used in place of the "call" macro.

Unfortunately, I haven't gotten quite comfortable enought to write it
myself yet, but being something that seems to me pretty obvious, I'm
hoping someone else has.
--
                      I compute, therefore I am.
My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent
anyone else.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen?
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In article <38h1rp$[e-mail]>,
David Harnick-Shapiro ([e-mail]) wrote:

>    I'm writing a TAKE file;  it handles everything up to the
>    prompt for the user's login name, at which point control
>    is handed over the user (via CONNECT).  But executing
>    CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved
>    by the loss of the prompt for the login name.

    My suggestion would be to have your login script (your TAKE file)
    prompt the user for his/her login name and password, and put these
    values into variables for later use by your script (that is to say,
    have your script handle the prompts for login name and password,
    too.)  On my host, for example, login can fail for a variety of
    reasons after the login name and password is supplied.  I've added
    more instructions to my login script to handle this situation, thus
    automating the entire login process.

>    I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts
>    are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are
>    doing the blanking).

    No, they are not.  You see on your terminal screen only what comes
    in from the serial port after the CONNECT command executes.  If you
    have your CONNECT command conditional on the results of an INPUT
    command ('INPUT {whatever}', 'IF SUCCESS CONNECT'), you'll see on
    your terminal screen only what immediately follows the string that
    the INPUT command was testing for.

    If you decide to have your script handle the login name and
    password prompts, I'd suggest that you update to at least MSK 3.13.
    Your users will not want their passwords to echo back on the
    screen; MSK 3.13 includes a new command, ASKQ, which turns echo off
    when it prompts the user.  (You might want to prompt them twice for
    their password, and have your script compare the entries for
    consistency.)  Also, for security, it would probably be a good idea
    to add a line or two to flush the user's login name and password
    out of memory ('ASSIGN \%variable' with no value following will do
    the job) just before going to CONNECT mode.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Cacclin)
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Subject: URGENT: Kermit needed for SuperDOS
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Just as the tag line says...I am in need of Kermit for an operating system
named SuperDOS. SuperDOS is a very esoteric multi-tasking pseudo-O/S for PC's
made by BlueBird Systems of California. They have informed me that there is a
version of Kermit available - anyone know where? I have looked at
kermit.columbia.edu but could not find it.

First correct respondent is truly a master of weird and archaic knowledge.
Actually, if I find anyone who has even heard about SuperDOS, I'll be amazed.

Help!

Stephen Cacclin
Echelon Computing

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Subject: The reason why I (and many others) can't upload...
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    X-posting this here may seem like proselytizing the converted, but
    I thought that there might be some in this group who would enjoy
    seeing it (like f'rinstance, the Kermit developers :) ...

[ Article crossposted from netcom.software ]
[ Author was Glenn R. Stone ]
[ Posted on Tue, 25 Oct 1994 01:11:00 GMT ]

In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jack Wilson) writes:

>... because I telnet in (from a local freenet).  TELNET only transmits
>7 bits, so it chokes on 8-bit protocols like ZMODEM and XMODEM.

>   RLOGIN can handle uploads just fine.

this is gonna *sound* cheesy, but it's a lot better than you'd think...
so can... (ta daaaa) Kermit.

"But Kermit sucks!"

Not anymore.

Kermit 3.14 for DOS and 5A(190) for Unixen supports megapackets (up to 9k if
your connection will handle it, though 9600 usually goes best at around 1k),
sliding windows, partial file transfers for those bombed connections, TCP/IP
(that's right, Kermit does NETWORKS!  Let's see DumbCom 57.5 do that!), and,
in the DOS version (at least), a damn nice vt320 emulator with configurable
colors for the various underline/blinkenmoden.

Now, granted, this is beta software, but 5A(190) is due out of beta Real
Soon Now, and 3.14 will follow it... and most of the beta bugs are on real
obscure systems or some such (I did find a bug in 5A(178) when it came out,
but that was when AIX was fairly damned obscure, so my point stands...).
The goodies (source and pre-compiled executables for your favourite boxen)
are on ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test (I think that's right, follow
the README's to be sure) and free for the taking.

"But how am I gonna get the binaries down to my PC if I'm stuck with
eightbit download software and a seven bit line?"

Have no fear, gentle netizen, they've solved that problem.  They've got an
encoded bootstrap file and a little BASIC program to decode it into a form
you can use to go grab the real thing.  Check out the README files and such
like in the appropriate directories.

Not only that, if you really don't want to give up WunderKom but are still
stuck with the seven bit curse, they've got a stripped down version called
KerLite you can use as an auxiliary transfer program (i.e. shell out, crank
up KerLite to do your download, exit back, and be back in your favorite
snazzy screenbitpusher).

This sounds a helluva lot like a sales pitch.  It's not.  Kermit is FREE,
gratis, de nada, on the net.house.  But having put a little time and effort
in on it myself and (a) seeing how extremely functional, albeit in an
un-flashy way, it is and (b) preferring to see folks get something for free
than shell out hard-earned bucks to the fat cats, I thought I'd say
something.  Besides, I'm tired of seeing a damn nice piece of work get
dissed (or worse, dis-missed).  It scripts, it autodials, it slices, it
dices, it juliennes fries.  And all for the price of your time to go fetch
it.  No, it's not flashy.  It works.  Well.  The only thing it won't do is
run X, and that's the only reason I ever touch another commo program
DOSwise.  It's the only thing I use to serve downloads on the Unix side.
You could even use it in place of FTP if you've a kitchy machine or firewall
in the way.  Whee.

In a nutshell: Seven-bitters, get Kermit and grin instead of whine.

warp eight bot, kermit addict

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Prevent CONNECT from clearing screen?
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In article <38h1rp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Harnick-Shapiro) writes:
> Executive Summary:
>     Is there an option to prevent the CONNECT command from
>     clearing the screen?
>
> Fuller Description:
>     I'm writing a TAKE file;  it handles everything up to the
>     prompt for the user's login name, at which point control
>     is handed over the user (via CONNECT).  But executing
>     CONNECT clears the screen, and some people are unnerved
>     by the loss of the prompt for the login name.
>
>     I'm using MS Kermit 3.12 on a DOS machine (the remote hosts
>     are Unix and VMS systems, although I don't think they are
>     doing the blanking).
---------
    Nope. The terminal emulator must be in a known state when emulation
begins, and the screen should be clean to hold what the host may send.
Imagine the host sending cursor commands over a screen previously scribbled
upon at Kermit command level. That would be a mess for 99.x% of the users.
    Why not go ahead and finish the script job by prompting for a
password and reading it quietly, then start Connect mode?
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Looping until keypress
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In article <38hhg1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Victor Boyko) writes:
> Hello!
>
> I need a macro to output a carriage return (\13) every five seconds
> until any key is pressed. I put the following in my mscustom.ini file
>
> def loop -
> :l -
  ^^^^---------- syntax error. This line must have a comma to demark the
         end of line, like this   :l,-    Use SHOW MAC LOOP to
         see its definition.

> set alarm 5,-
> pause 5,-
> if not alarm goto e,-
> output \13,-
> goto l,-
> :e -
> end
>
> However, it does not work when I type loop from the command line.
> Sometimes it just returns to the prompt in 5 seconds,
> and sometimes it sends \13 every 5 seconds, but does not exit when I
> press a key. Strangely, if I make a script loop.scr
>
> :l
    The end of line is explicit in the file since you put it there.

> set alarm 5
> pause 5
> if not alarm goto e
> output \13
> goto l
> :e
> end
>
> then 'take loop.scr' does exactly what I want. However, this is
> inconvenient since I have to be in the directory where loop.scr is.

        The corrected form of your macro (not Take file) works perfectly
here.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Lucas)
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Subject: z-modem & c-kermit
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Hi there world,
        I use c-kermit for OS2 and have a great
utility program called p.exe which provides zmodem
capability to c-kermit.

Question:  Is there an equivalent UNIX program that I
can get for my host?

Thanks in advance

Andrew - Sydney, Australia
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Dwight Hugget)
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Subject: DIALING SCRIPT not found
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I am using MS_Kermit Beta 7 and cant get the dialing script to work.
I've read the documentation that came with mstibm.zip from the ftp
site. I've tried all the flavors of setting my dialups.txt and it still
tells me that dialing script not found. I am currently running with the
following set in my autoexec.bat :
    SET DIALFILE=C:\KERMIT\DIALUPS.TXT

What's wrong!!!!
:-(
Dwight
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: Looping until keypress
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In article <38hhg1$[e-mail]>, Victor Boyko ([e-mail]) wrote:
>Hello!

>I need a macro to output a carriage return (\13) every five seconds
>until any key is pressed. I put the following in my mscustom.ini file

    I don't think you can use goto label in a macro definition, only in
    a script.  You could solve the directory problem by defining a
    macro that points to the script, eg. 'define loop take
    c:\kermit\loop' or some such.  (You could then tie it to a hot key,
    with 'set key \#### {\Kloop}', where #### is the scan code of
    whatever key you want to activate it.)

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
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Would it be possible to add a simple up-arrow history (last-command)
to MS-Kermit 3.14?

Even a "hack" (running a TSR) would be glorious.

Something that keeps the last 25 commands or so, of course able to
turn on and off for memory considerations :-)

Ken
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: DIALING SCRIPT not found
Date: 25 Oct 1994 13:11:55 GMT
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In article <38ij49$rm2$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dwight
Hugget) writes:
>
> I am using MS_Kermit Beta 7 and cant get the dialing script to work.
>
Oops.  There is a problem in Beta-7 that will be fixed in Beta-8.

Watch this space for announcements.

Sorry.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Looping until keypress
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
writes:
>     I don't think you can use goto label in a macro definition, only in
>     a script.
>
Au contraire -- labels and GOTOs are perfectly OK in macros.  You can even
issue a GOTO from inside a macro to the enclosing context.  As Joe pointed
out, the problem in the script that was posted was a missing comma.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: up-arrow History in MS-Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
>
> Would it be possible to add a simple up-arrow history (last-command)
> to MS-Kermit 3.14?
>
> Even a "hack" (running a TSR) would be glorious.
>
> Something that keeps the last 25 commands or so, of course able to
> turn on and off for memory considerations :-)
>
> Ken
> [e-mail]
----------
    There is no command history buffer in MSK. Not only is such an
item slightly ambiguous (which command, the raw user typed one or the
one after string substitution occurred, or the Take file/macro last
executed, etc), but each command can be 1000 bytes long. Think of what
memory consumption that means. Once recall occurs then immediately
everyone wants a command line editor, and frankly that is a lot of
code in an already extremely complex environment internally.
    As a person who types more MSK command lines that almost anyone
I've found command line recall to be a dispensable frill.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
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In article <38j0ar$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
>writes:
>>     I don't think you can use goto label in a macro definition, only in
>>     a script.
>>
>Au contraire -- labels and GOTOs are perfectly OK in macros.  You can even
>issue a GOTO from inside a macro to the enclosing context.  As Joe pointed
>out, the problem in the script that was posted was a missing comma.

    Ahh, that's good to know.  Our news feed's been a bit slow, and
    Joe's article hadn't reached us when I posted.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Shair)
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Subject: Re: procomm-kermit
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<[e-mail]> writes:

>Can somebody help me.  I have a dial up account to the internet.  In order to
>download stuff I use a version of procomm (shareware) that supports the
>kermit protocol.  But I am not sure how I would go about using kermit to
>download.  If anyone knows what I'm talking about or knows how to help, please
>respond.  I will greatly appreciate it.

Like this:

On your Unix system on the Internet, running C-Kermit, say:
kermit -s filename

then press the PgDn key on your PC, and Procomm will attempt to download
the file.

The old, shareware, version of Procomm which I had was far backlevel,
even then, in the Kermit features supported.  Hope they're better now.

All kinds of things can go wrong.  You may not even be running Unix.
Kermit may not be in your PATH.  It may not be installed at all.

--

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From: [e-mail] (Kinney Baughman)
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Subject: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile
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Each time I try to run my old script file for dialing into the computer
here at ASU, Kermit 3.13 reads the number and then I get a <Ctrl-C>
"Command canceled" message on the screen and I'm thrown back to the
Ms-Kermit prompt.

I'm using an Infotel 14.4 Fax modem.  I have my modem defined to Hayes.
I think this might be the problem.  But none of the other *.scr files
seem to work any better, though they each exhibit other problems.

Is there a *.scr file for the Infotel modem anywhere I could download?

Kinney

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-8 Ready for Testing
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-8 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of 6:45pm EST, Tuesday Oct 25:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes include:

 . Trimming of trailing spaces at end of command and before comment in a
   TAKE file (broken in Beta-7) mostly fixed, but still needs a bit
   more work.  This affected a lot dialing scripts and similar items
   in Beta-7.

 . Fossil driver fix when sending file-transfer data packets that are
   longer than the fossil's transmit buffer length.

 . SET { SEND, RECEIVE } PATHNAMES { ON, OFF } added.  SET RECEIVE
   PATHNAMES OFF is useful on BBSs or other unattended systems when you
   want to restrict incoming files to the current directory.  SEND is OFF
   and RECEIVE is ON by default for compatability with previous behavior.

 . Resetting the terminal (Alt-=) while in Tektronix submode of a VT
   terminal and then toggling to a VT mode (Alt-Minus) now restores the
   proper VT state for arrow-key codes sent to the host.

 . GETC rejects special keys (such as Fn) and quits when Control-C is
   typed.

 . Fixed bug in closing network connections when Kermit exits to DOS.

 . SET TERMINAL VIDEO-CHANGE {ENABLED, DISABLED, DOS-ONLY} -- DOS-ONLY
   added in this edit, and is the new default.  Allows 80/132-column
   video-mode switching in DOS only, not Windows.  Use ENABLED to allow it
   in Windows too, at your own risk (equivalent to Patch 9 in MS-DOS
   Kermit 3.13).

 . "kermit server 600" and similar commands could hang DOS.  Now fixed.

 . KERMIT.HLP and .BWR files updated, cleaned & trimmed a bit.

Please continue to send Beta test reports by e-mail to [e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile
Date: 25 Oct 1994 23:00:40 GMT
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In article <38jnn0$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kinney
Baughman) writes:
> Each time I try to run my old script file for dialing into the computer
> here at ASU, Kermit 3.13 reads the number and then I get a <Ctrl-C>
> "Command canceled" message on the screen and I'm thrown back to the
> Ms-Kermit prompt.
> I'm using an Infotel 14.4 Fax modem.  I have my modem defined to Hayes.
> I think this might be the problem.  But none of the other *.scr files
> seem to work any better, though they each exhibit other problems.
> Is there a *.scr file for the Infotel modem anywhere I could download?
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta comes with LOTS more dialing scripts, but not
one specifically for the Infotel.

Read any of the Beta announcements on this newsgroup to find out where
to get the Beta.

Then dig through the new modem scripts and see if any of them matches
the Infotel.  If so, please let us know.  If not, maybe you could pick out
the closest one and adapt it and send it in so everybody else who has the
same kind of modem can use it.

Good luck.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MSK 3.14 Beta-8 Glitch
Date: 26 Oct 1994 00:07:42 GMT
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It seems that the remaining "minor problem" regarding trimming of whitespace
from commands read from TAKE files, after removing the trailing comment,
prevents our dialing scripts from working.  Sorry!

This will be fixed in Beta-9, coming soon.  Meanwhile, one can work around
the problem by editing the dialing script to remove trailing comments
(and intervening whitespace) from INPUT commands.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Goh Kee Chye Lawrence)
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    I'm facing problem dialing with beta-7.
    I have a dialing script to dial a list of numbers that so far has
    worked with beta-6.
    The problem is encountered after DIAL outputs the phone
    number and simply stops there with a NO CARRIER.

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From: [e-mail] (Victor Boyko)
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Subject: Spaces after a string in Beta 7
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Hello!

I have discovered a feature (or maybe a bug) in Beta 7 that is not
described in the release notes and that makes all old dialing scripts
obsolete. For example, suppose there is a line

output ATI3\13            ; Get modem information

Instead of outputting "ATI3\13", Kermit outputs "ATI3\13            ".
This can be fixed by changing to

output {ATI3\13}            ; Get modem information

Without this change it does not work.

-Victor

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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Mathezer)
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Subject: Kerep-alive option?
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Is there any way to get kermit to keep a line connected?

I am connected to a remote server using kermit.  This server will
drop any inactive connection after 20 minutes.  The problem is that
I am running a program that takes longer than 20 minutes to execute.
There is no way for me to submit this program to run and then log out.
I have to remain connected.  I don't want to have to come and hit a
few keys every couple of minutes to keep my session alive.  Can kermit
keep it alive for me?

Thanks

-Steve

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Subject: Re: Kerep-alive option?
Date: 26 Oct 1994 14:21:54 GMT
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In article <38kfko$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
(Stephen Mathezer) writes:
>
> Is there any way to get kermit to keep a line connected?
>
> I am connected to a remote server using kermit.  This server will
> drop any inactive connection after 20 minutes.  The problem is that
> I am running a program that takes longer than 20 minutes to execute.
> There is no way for me to submit this program to run and then log out.
> I have to remain connected.  I don't want to have to come and hit a
> few keys every couple of minutes to keep my session alive.  Can kermit
> keep it alive for me?
>
You did not say what kinds of computers are involved or what versions of
Kermit you are using, etc.  From what you say, however, it seems that
your local system, the one that you used to make the connection, is
capable of running Kermit at the same time as another application.  If
that is true, then all you have to do is write a little script program
that makes Kermit send a character every once in a while, for example:

:loop
sleep 60  ; Sleep for a minute
output \0 ; Send a NUL
goto loop

Adjust as needed.  When you want go back online, bring Kermit to the
foreground and interrupt it, e.g. by typing Ctrl-C.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew J. Eckhardt, MS 274)
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Subject: White-space Beta-8
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Hello,

    Your parsing of script files has a bug. (V3.14 BETA-8)
Here is an excerpt from my dialing script that illustrates the bug:


:DIAL
output ATD\%1\13                ; Dial the number.
set alarm 90            ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.)
if > VERSION 312 clear input    ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer.
if < VERSION 313 clear
input 30 \10                    ; Wait for the linefeeds...
              ^
              |
    A tab here made the input command fail. When I replaced by a
space it works.


Regards

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From: [e-mail] (Ken)
Subject: Re: up-arrow History in MS-Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
> >
> > Would it be possible to add a simple up-arrow history (last-command)
> > to MS-Kermit 3.14?
> >
> > Even a "hack" (running a TSR) would be glorious.
> >
> > Something that keeps the last 25 commands or so, of course able to
> > turn on and off for memory considerations :-)
> >
> > Ken
> > [e-mail]
> ----------
>     There is no command history buffer in MSK. Not only is such an
> item slightly ambiguous (which command, the raw user typed one or the
> one after string substitution occurred, or the Take file/macro last
> executed, etc), but each command can be 1000 bytes long. Think of what
> memory consumption that means. Once recall occurs then immediately
> everyone wants a command line editor, and frankly that is a lot of
> code in an already extremely complex environment internally.
>     As a person who types more MSK command lines that almost anyone
> I've found command line recall to be a dispensable frill.
>     Joe D.

Actually, Joe, the way that you've written MS-Kermit to take partial
commands, finish it up with the Escape key, with help available at
every level... is astounding!

But I was just curious :-)  I thought there might be a way to use
a public domain TSR recall, which "remembers" each time a user hits
<Enter>.

Don't worry about it, Joe - it's not a big thing.  And you're right -
it would be far more work for you than the benefit.  You provided
context-sensitive help while other programmers were happy to stick
only a "reminder" screen and nothing else :-)


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From: [e-mail] (Michel van der List)
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Subject: kermit at system startup?
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Hi All.

I wrote a little script to automatically dial one of our modem
ports, and set up slip for my alpha, running OSF/1 version 2.1.
This all works great, as long as I run this script interactively,
ie from a csh prompt. When I run this script from a startup file,
it seems to exit without doing anything. My guess is that it does
not have a tty as stdin, which makes it unhappy.

My questions:
- does this sound like a reasonable assumption?
- how can I fix it?

I scanned through the C-Kermit book, but did not see anything
obvious.

Thanks for any pointers...

Michel

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Subject: Re: kermit at system startup?
Date: 26 Oct 1994 17:32:47 GMT
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In article <38lopp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michel van
der List) writes:
> I wrote a little script to automatically dial one of our modem
> ports, and set up slip for my alpha, running OSF/1 version 2.1.
> This all works great, as long as I run this script interactively,
> ie from a csh prompt. When I run this script from a startup file,
> it seems to exit without doing anything. My guess is that it does
> not have a tty as stdin, which makes it unhappy.
>
Tell Kermit to execute commands from the script file, rather than
feeding the text from the script file into Kermit's stdin.
For example, assuming the file is called /usr/me/x.scr:

  kermit /usr/me/x.scr

or:

  kermit -y /usr/me/x.scr

or:

  kermit -C "take /usr/me/x.scr"

- Frank

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From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Digicomm Connection script does not work anymore
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I am using the current version of MS-Kermit.  Beta-7.
The script to dial with the digicomm connection 14.4 modem stopped
working properly when I started using this and I have to manually dial to
make connections right now.

Is there a fix for this available?

(Currently the problem is that during dial, the script seems to put an
extra character after the dialer has been initiated therefore cancelling
the dial procedure.

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Subject: Re: Kerep-alive option?
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In article <38kfko$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Stephen Mathezer) writes:
>
> Is there any way to get kermit to keep a line connected?
>
> I am connected to a remote server using kermit.  This server will
    By what pathway? TCP/IP? Serial? Another kind of networking?

> drop any inactive connection after 20 minutes.  The problem is that
    "inactive" is a slippery word, whose meaning is dependent on
the item doing the measuring.

> I am running a program that takes longer than 20 minutes to execute.
    So compose a very simple macro or Take file to sit in a loop
and Pause or Wait for 19 minutes and then send whatever your host wishes
to consider "active" but "uninteresting" to keep the connection alive.
MSK responds to TCP/IP keepalives, but it never generates gratutitous
data bytes by itself (but your macro/Take file can).
        Please have a look at the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for examples
about composing macros and Take files.

> There is no way for me to submit this program to run and then log out.
> I have to remain connected.  I don't want to have to come and hit a
> few keys every couple of minutes to keep my session alive.  Can kermit
> keep it alive for me?
    Joe D.

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In article <38m3rv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <38lopp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michel van
>der List) writes:
>> I wrote a little script to automatically dial one of our modem
>> ports, and set up slip for my alpha, running OSF/1 version 2.1.
>> This all works great, as long as I run this script interactively,
>> ie from a csh prompt. When I run this script from a startup file,
>> it seems to exit without doing anything. My guess is that it does
>> not have a tty as stdin, which makes it unhappy.
>>
>Tell Kermit to execute commands from the script file, rather than
>feeding the text from the script file into Kermit's stdin.
>For example, assuming the file is called /usr/me/x.scr:
>
>  kermit /usr/me/x.scr
>
>or:
>
>  kermit -y /usr/me/x.scr
>
>or:
>
>  kermit -C "take /usr/me/x.scr"
>
>- Frank

Thanks, unfortunately I had it set up as follows:

% cat kermitstuff
#!/usr/local/bin/kermit
...
...
...

which was nice, since my script could now just do:

% cat otherscript
#!/bin/csh -f
/usr/local/bin/kermitstuff
...
...
...

Oh well, I'll do it the other way.

Michel.

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From: [e-mail] (Renaud Patte)
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Subject: Kermit on AS400
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I'm searching for Kermit on system AS400.
Would someone tell me where to find it?

Thanks a lot.

internet : [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit on AS400
Date: 26 Oct 1994 21:39:31 GMT
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In article <38lbji$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Renaud Patte)
writes:
> I'm searching for Kermit on system AS400.
> Would someone tell me where to find it?
>
Nobody has ever succeeded in writing a Kermit program for the AS/400.
Many have announced their intention to do this, but none have ever
actually even started, as far as I can tell.  This system (together
with its predecessors, the Systems/34, 36, and 38) is the only major
gap in the Kermit software collection.

I can only speculate that the AS/400 and its ancestors are devilishly
hard to program, at least for communicating with outside world, since
they use the EBCDIC character set rather than ASCII or any of its
descendents, and since it uses bizarre and proprietary communication
methods.

Anybody who is seriously interested in pursuing this should contact me.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Scan code \313 for the space key - why?
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In article <38kcjf$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> In Article <388i7u$[e-mail]>
> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>> [...]
>>The change is transparent when using the regular keyboard drivers, but
>>if you are using a nonstandard driver, you might have to put:
>>
>>  set key \313 \32
>>
>>in your MSCUSTOM.INI file.  In version 3.14, we have also differentiated
>>the Esc and Enter key + Ctrl/Alt/Shift scan codes.
>
>     My keyboard driver has a 'VT mode' in which all keypad keys give
>     special scan codes (including NumLock). So it's easy to map DEC's
>     keypad ESC-Seqs to those keys (set key \nnn \KKPm).
>     Unfortunatley the keypad 9 key gives \313 in that mode,
>     so pressing the space key produces the KKP9 ESC-sequence...
----------
    \313 is the scan code for space-bar on regular IBM-PC keyboards.
What does your keyboard produce for space bar? If it is the same as keypad 9
then I guess you are out of luck with this situation. How about changing to
non-VT mode on the driver, however that might be accomplished?
    It is helpful to know a technical detail here. MSK's keyboard
translator doesn't understand keyboards. The translator has not the faintest
idea of what is printed on key caps, nor that it's a keyboard rather than
something entirely different. Yup, true, and by design. The tiny key reader
part reports either ASCII results or "scan" codes, for non-ASCII, coming from
the Bios or from DOS. For the ASCII case some keys are aliased back to their
scan codes, and the space bar is one such case. The Enter key is another.
If a low level keyboard driver modfies those codes then Kermit may not
produce an alias since aliases are in a hard coded list of numbers appropriate
to the IBM-PC Bios (in the IBM-PC version of MS-DOS Kermit, other Bios' for
Zenith 100 and Victor 9000 editions of MSK).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel S. Lewart)
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On my IBM PC AT, "kermit.exe -f initfile" does not read in the
initialization file unless it is named mskermit.ini.  However,
once inside Kermit, "take initfile" works.

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Kermit Dialing Scripts: 1. X4 vs X1 2. Windows Speed Problem
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1. The standard HAYES.SCR sets the result codes option to X1.  We have a
   very busy modem pool and I'd like to change the script to use X4 so
   that I can specifically report that the pool is busy.  Can anyone
   suggest a reason why this is a bad idea?  I'm worried that maybe
   Columbia has discovered that not all "Hayes-compatible" modems support
   X4 and that's why X1 was chosen?

2. This week I've found two modems that will not accept modem commands
   at 38400 when Kermit is launched from inside Windows.  One of these
   was a 1994 USR Sportster, the other a Zoltrix 14.4.  In both cases,
   the modem operates ok at 38400 if Windows is exited and Kermit is
   run from DOS.  Any chance there is some simple tweak in Windows?
   Assuming no, is there a way for a DOS program to realize that Windows
   is active in the background?  (Feel free to tell me this is a stupid
   question.)
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Dialing Scripts: 1. X4 vs X1 2. Windows Speed Problem
Date: 27 Oct 1994 00:51:52 GMT
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In article <38k0vp$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
writes:
> 1. The standard HAYES.SCR sets the result codes option to X1.  We have a
>    very busy modem pool and I'd like to change the script to use X4 so
>    that I can specifically report that the pool is busy.  Can anyone
>    suggest a reason why this is a bad idea?  I'm worried that maybe
>    Columbia has discovered that not all "Hayes-compatible" modems support
>    X4 and that's why X1 was chosen?
>
Hayes 1200 does not support X4.

For modern modems, don't use HAYES.SCR, but rather one of the many high-
speed modem scripts.

> 2. This week I've found two modems that will not accept modem commands
>    at 38400 when Kermit is launched from inside Windows.  One of these
>    was a 1994 USR Sportster, the other a Zoltrix 14.4.  In both cases,
>    the modem operates ok at 38400 if Windows is exited and Kermit is
>    run from DOS.  Any chance there is some simple tweak in Windows?
>
Windows is not exactly the best environment for running communications
software.  And there is no such thing as "simple tweak" to Windows.
Well, if the PC has a buffered UART, tell Windows about it in the SYSTEM.INI
file, something like COM1FIFO -- see KERMIT.BWR for details.  For non-
buffered UARTs, all bets are off under Windows.  Unfortunately, this is
an increasingly common combination...

>    Assuming no, is there a way for a DOS program to realize that Windows
>    is active in the background?  (Feel free to tell me this is a stupid
>    question.)
>
There are actually many cases: Kermit is running under plain DOS, Kermit
is in a Windows fullscreen session, Kermit is in a Windows window, and
then all the others (OS/2, DesqView, etc).  I doubt if there is anything
that can be depended upon, but somebody else might know better.

I recognize that we might need a little more intelligence in the dialing
scripts -- falling back to lower baud rates and/or inserting pauses between
output characters, etc, under error conditions, and/or allowing the speed
from the dialing directory to override the default speed in the dialing
script.  I'm not sure if all that can (or should) be squeezed in during the
Beta period.  We'll see how it goes.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Hulsey)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Problems with OpenVMS C-kermit v5a(189) in server mode
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Greetings!

We've recently migrated a large percentage of our users from a VAX to an
Alpha processor and consequently needed to change our version of kermit.
On the VAX we ran Kermit-32 ver. 3.3.111, and on the Alpha we now run
C-Kermit ver. 5A(189).  The only problem is that many of our users are
encountering problems running C-Kermit in server mode with various
communications packages.  I myself have encountered problems with an
older (but unfortunately still in-use) version of Persoft's SmarTerm 240
(DOS), but other packages including COMit, and MS-Windows' Terminal
program have also been reported as problematic.  Other packages such as
Persoft's SmarTerm 340 for DOS and WRQ's Reflection 2 for Windows seem to
work just fine.  The problem that I encountered with SmarTerm 240 was
that SmarTerm's kermit wouldn't recognize that the remote (C-Kermit)
Kermit was in server mode and would timeout on packet reads.  Others have
apparently encountered similar problems.  My questions are these:  Are
there any known incompatibilities between c-kermit and other pc-based
kermit clients?  If so, is there a switch in c-kermit that makes it
behave like our 'old' kermit-32?  Is there perhaps something at the vms
level that we need to change for c-kermit to work properly?

I realize that I haven't given a great deal of detail about our problems,
but I'll be happy to discuss it further if necessary.  Any
help/suggestions are appreciated...thanks!

Bruce Hulsey
Univ. of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
[e-mail] OR
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with OpenVMS C-kermit v5a(189) in server mode
Date: 27 Oct 1994 13:15:15 GMT
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In article <38mjve$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Bruce Hulsey)
writes:
> Greetings!
>
> We've recently migrated a large percentage of our users from a VAX to an
> Alpha processor and consequently needed to change our version of kermit.
> On the VAX we ran Kermit-32 ver. 3.3.111, and on the Alpha we now run
> C-Kermit ver. 5A(189).  The only problem is that many of our users are
> encountering problems running C-Kermit in server mode with various
> communications packages.  I myself have encountered problems with an
> older (but unfortunately still in-use) version of Persoft's SmarTerm 240
> (DOS), but other packages including COMit, and MS-Windows' Terminal
> program have also been reported as problematic.  Other packages such as
> Persoft's SmarTerm 340 for DOS and WRQ's Reflection 2 for Windows seem to
> work just fine.  The problem that I encountered with SmarTerm 240 was
> that SmarTerm's kermit wouldn't recognize that the remote (C-Kermit)
> Kermit was in server mode and would timeout on packet reads.  Others have
> apparently encountered similar problems.  My questions are these:  Are
> there any known incompatibilities between c-kermit and other pc-based
> kermit clients?  If so, is there a switch in c-kermit that makes it
> behave like our 'old' kermit-32?  Is there perhaps something at the vms
> level that we need to change for c-kermit to work properly?
>
C-Kermit *does* work properly, it's the other products that don't.
Use MS-DOS Kermit, any version back to 1981, on your PCs against C-Kermit
and it will work fine.

Clearly we can't be responsible for other peoples' Kermit implementations.
We have no relationship with any of these companies.

Most (not all) producers of commercial and shareware Kermit implementations
pay little attention to the protocol definition, in particular to its
extensibility features -- the negotiated parameters that, when properly
implemented, allow the oldest, most primitive Kermit implementation to
interoperate automatically with the newest, most feature-laden version.

In chasing down complaints like these, we have encountered products that
totally ignore the negotiation phase and plow ahead using whatever parameters
they feel like, or, conversely, are confused by new items that would not
confuse them if they paid attention to the negotiation phase.

If you use real Kermit software, it will work.  Or if it doesn't, you'll get
good support.  By the way, I'd recommend that you install C-Kermit 5A(190)
on your VMS system.  You can obtain it via anonymous ftp to
kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/text.  Get the file ckvaaa.hlp,
read it, go from there.  Even though it is still in the test directory,
this is the real release, only awaiting the big file shuffle to its new
home, kermit/b, where it should show up within a few days.  Aside from
clearing up some problems that 5A(189) had in VMS (especially when run
in batch jobs, when SPAWN'd, etc), it adds new features like file-transfer
recovery.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready
Date: 27 Oct 1994 20:10:48 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of 3:08pm EDT Thursday, Oct 27:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes include:

 . Comment/blank/tab stripping fixed, dialing works OK again.

 . kermit -f d:\blah\blah\blah\oofa.scr fixed.

 . SET CARRIER ON seems to work fine, even during file transfer.
   That is, it pops back to the prompt (or DOS, depending on how Kermit
   was invoked) immediately when carrier drops.

 . SET TERM VIDEO-CHANGE DOS-ONLY / ENABLED now work as advertised.

 . ANSI emulator innoculated against "ANSI music".

About so-called "ANSI" so-called "music"...  It's bad enough that we must
endure the so-called "ANSI standard" -- which has nothing whatever to do
with ANSI (the American National Standards Institute), and which is not a
standard in any sense because it is not documented anywhere -- but...
Wait, I'm getting ahead of myself.  Maybe I'm ignorant, but *what* is the
"standard" for ANSI terminal emulation?  I would guess that it should be
the document (e.g. in the Microsoft DOS manual) that describes ANSI.SYS,
the IBM PC console driver, affectionately named after the organization
that published the X3.64 standard, which describes the form and function
of a repertoire of escape sequences, and forms the basis for the
VT100/VT200 and higher architectures, and which conforms to ISO Standards
2022 and 4873, but which certainly does not describe the ANSI console
driver.

Nor does the ANSI.SYS documentation include many functions that are
commonly used by BBSs.  For example: Two betas ago somebody complained
that Kermit did not "correctly implement" the "ANSI" screen-clearing
"standard".  What was it?  Just a plain, bare Ctrl-L.  To my knowledge, no
CRT terminal in the world uses this for screen clearing (although hardcopy
printers use it for page feed).  Not even the ANSI.SYS console driver
clears the screen when given a Ctrl-L; it just prints a little "female"
sign (but of course, we accommated and now Kermit follows the "ANSI
standard for screen clearing).  It also seems that many BBSs send ESC[6n,
cursor position report request.  This is a valid ANSI and VT100
sequence, but it is not part of ANSI.SYS.

OK, fine -- the ANSI standard is ANSI.SYS, plus selected VT100 items, plus
creative interpretation of some control characters.  But if one is going
to claim "ANSI conformance", then one should at least pay attention to the
*form* of an ANSI escape sequence (more properly called a control
sequence), which is:

  ESC [ intermediate-characters final-character

The final-character is a function code, and the intermediate characters
are parameters (data or modifiers) for the function.  A terminal,
emulator, or other device parses these sequences very easily using a
simple finite-state automaton, which works efficiently because final
characters are immediately distinguishable from intermediate characters
because they are in different columns of the ASCII table and thus have
different bits set.

Final characters are the ASCII characters @ (64) through ~ (tilde, 126).
Thus, once the terminal has seen ESC [, it gobbles up all subsequent
characters that are outside the final-character range and stores them in a
parameter buffer, and then when it gets the final character, it executes
the indicated function using the accumulated parameters, if any.  Example:

  ESC [ 3 M

deletes 3 lines, beginning at the line where the cursor is.  If the number
is omitted, the current cursor line is deleted.  Parameters are typically
numbers, semicolons, question marks, etc: printable (note: printable)
ASCII characters outside the final-character range.  (Why printable?
Because many control characters already have time-honored functions.)

Now along comes "ANSI music".  What is it?  It is "beeper" music encoded
like a PC BASIC "PLAY" command.  It comes right after the ESC [, and can
start with any character at all.  Example:

 ESC [ MFT120O3 G8.A32F32G4.O4C8O3A8F8D8F8O4C8O3B8O4C2 ...

and is terminated by a Ctrl-N.  What is wrong with this idea?

 1. A correctly designed escape-sequence parser will not recognize it;
    it is likely to encounter a final character within the string itself.
    In this case, the first character, M, is a final character ("delete
    lines").

 2. A random function will be executed depending on what final character
    was found, and which, if any, characters came before it.

 3. The terminating character, Ctrl-N, is not in the final-character range.
    If no final character is encountered prior to the Ctrl-N, the Ctrl-N
    will be ignored, as are most other control characters inside of
    escape sequences.

 4. Ctrl-N has an entirely different function, used all over the world
    for nearly three decades: Shift-Out.  This tells the terminal to
    interpret 7-bit codes as the corresponding 8-bit codes.

You might ask, "why so hard on ANSI music?  It's cute!"  Maybe so, but
then it should have been designed conform to the ANSI standard.  The
problem with the current definition is not just one of purity.  It is that
a terminal or emulator CAN NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE between a valid escape
sequence and an ANSI music sequence that contains a valid ANSI final
character.

So... the final Kermit change noted above simply makes Kermit, when in
ANSI mode, ignore Ctrl-N (and its counterpart, Ctrl-O).  So if you log in
to a BBS that sends ANSI music, you are likely to see strings of letters
and numbers on your screen when music is played, but at least from that
point on you will no longer see total gibberish!

OK, off my soapbox.  The foregoing tirade was principally to head off
requests for Kermit to support ANSI music.

Please continue to send Beta test reports by e-mail to [e-mail],
and let's hope 9 is a lucky number...

- Frank

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Subject: PRIME Kermit  binary needed
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Does anybody have Kermit running on a PRIME computer with PRIMOS?
Most PRIME sites are able to compile it from the source, but one
came up recently that did not have the PL/P compiler handy.

Preferably this would be the current release, 8.15.

If so, pls send me email.  Thanks!

- Frank

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Hi Netters,

I cannot get the ascii files I have written with Wp 5.1 [saved with cntrl F5]
uploaded to the Unix system of my Internet provider. The error message
from kermit is "too many retries".  There are probably various possible
solutions to this trouble but the best for me would seem to be stripping the
files while still on my PC of the characters which kermit cannot digest.

Any help would be much appreciated.  Thanks in advance.



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In Article <388i7u$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> [...]
>The change is transparent when using the regular keyboard drivers, but
>if you are using a nonstandard driver, you might have to put:
>
>  set key \313 \32
>
>in your MSCUSTOM.INI file.  In version 3.14, we have also differentiated
>the Esc and Enter key + Ctrl/Alt/Shift scan codes.

    My keyboard driver has a 'VT mode' in which all keypad keys give
    special scan codes (including NumLock). So it's easy to map DEC's
    keypad ESC-Seqs to those keys (set key \nnn \KKPm).
    Unfortunatley the keypad 9 key gives \313 in that mode,
    so pressing the space key produces the KKP9 ESC-sequence...

    --Eckart

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From: [e-mail] (Kinney Baughman)
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Subject: Re: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta comes with LOTS more dialing scripts, but not
: one specifically for the Infotel.

: Read any of the Beta announcements on this newsgroup to find out where
: to get the Beta.

: Then dig through the new modem scripts and see if any of them matches
: the Infotel.  If so, please let us know.  If not, maybe you could pick out
: the closest one and adapt it and send it in so everybody else who has the
: same kind of modem can use it.

I'd be happy to do my small part.

But should I just try scripts one by one until they work?  Or is there
an indicator on my modem card that might help me determine which script
to try?

Kinney


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: 3.13/Can't dial # in dialfile
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In article <38pfcb$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kinney
Baughman) writes:
> Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta comes with LOTS more dialing scripts, but not
> : one specifically for the Infotel.
>
> I'd be happy to do my small part.
>
> But should I just try scripts one by one until they work?  Or is there
> an indicator on my modem card that might help me determine which script
> to try?
>
All the high-speed modem scripts do pretty much the same thing; only
the specific modem commands are different.  Here is a cutout from the
MODEMS\READ.ME file:

WHAT THE DIALING SCRIPTS HAVE IN COMMON

These scripts use your modem's default dialing method, pulse or tone; they do
not specify one or the other, since neither method is supported by all
telephones everywhere.  To force Tone dialing, begin your phone number with
T,
for example:

  DIAL T7654321

Similarly, to force pulse dialing, start the phone number with P.

If you give a DIAL command whose telephone number is simply = (equal sign),
the modem will be initialized, but no call will be placed.  In some cases,
the dialing script will also ask the modem to display its configuration.

When dialing a real phone number, you can include special characters in the
phone number to accomplish pauses, wait for secondary dialtone, etc.  See
your
modem manual.

If you dial a number that is busy, most of these scripts will wait 30 seconds
and then redial automatically, up to 5 times.  You can cancel the redial
operation by pressing any key after you see the message:

  Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds.
  Press any key to cancel...

Each dialing script returns SUCCESS if dialing succeeds and FAILURE if it
doesn't, so you can use an IF FAIL or IF SUCCESS statement after a DIAL
command in a script.

(end of cutout)

So pick one of the high-speed modem scripts and read it, referring to your
modem manual to see if the modem commands are the same.  If not, repeat
with another script and so on until you find one, or you've used up all the
scripts.  In the latter case, pick the script that is closest, make a copy,
call the copy INFOTEL.SCR, edit it to use the appropriate modem commands,
test it, debug it, and when it is working properly, you are invited to
send it in for redistribution.

- Frank


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: WP ascii files + Kermit
Date: 28 Oct 1994 13:33:38 GMT
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In article <38qjgt$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] () writes:
> I cannot get the ascii files I have written with Wp 5.1 [saved with
> cntrl F5] uploaded to the Unix system of my Internet provider. The error
> message from kermit is "too many retries".  There are probably various
> possible solutions to this trouble but the best for me would seem to be
> stripping the files while still on my PC of the characters which kermit
> cannot digest.
>
There are no characters that Kermit cannot digest.  This is a tranmission
problem, probably caused by a communication path that is using parity.
Just tell Kermit to "set parity space" (or even, or mark) and it should
work.  Space is the most likely one to use, since Kermit can detect
even, odd, or mark parity automatically, if you are using real Kermit
software of recent vintage (the past several years).

A second question is: how will the file be used on Unix?  If you have a
Unix version of WordPerfect, then you don't have to "export" the file
(save it as "ascii only") from PC WordPerfect, in which case you should
transfer it in binary mode.  If you intend to use it for some other purpose,
then you must export it.  If that is what Ctrl-F5 does, then I suspect the
problem you are experiencing is because the file contained German letters
(Umlaute, Ess-Zet), which are 8-bit characters, which were interfered with
by parity.  SET PARITY will fix this, as I said above, but you also have
to be concerned with the character set.  Kermit will translate your
German text from the PC code page to whatever character set is used on
the Unix host to represent German text, typically ISO Latin-1 or the
German national version of ISO 646.

You can, of course, read about all of this in the manual (which is also
available in German) (and French):

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $45 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including
    German-language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price:
    DM 69,00.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG,
    Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. [phone],
    Fax. [phone].

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
    & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
    MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
    diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
    Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

- Frank


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I am interested in setting up Kermit on a Unix system which will monitor
the serial port for transmissions and write the information to a file.
The serial port is connected via null modem cable to a PBX which dumps
statistical data on a periodic basis.  The switch sends data to the
serial port as it would to a printer.  I can't signon to the switch or
otherwise communicate to it, I can only capture whatever it sends.  I
am most appreciative for any tips anyone has to offer and will forward
the results to anyone interested.  Thanks.

--
---Keith Willett

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From: [e-mail] (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)
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In article <38miaj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>Nobody has ever succeeded in writing a Kermit program for the AS/400.
>Many have announced their intention to do this, but none have ever
>actually even started, as far as I can tell.  This system (together
>with its predecessors, the Systems/34, 36, and 38) is the only major
>gap in the Kermit software collection.
>
>I can only speculate that the AS/400 and its ancestors are devilishly
>hard to program, at least for communicating with outside world, since
>they use the EBCDIC character set rather than ASCII or any of its
>descendents, and since it uses bizarre and proprietary communication
>methods.

You mean that the AS/400 is even worse than MVS in that aspect?  Kermit
has been on MVS for aeons...  and it's EBCIDIC and hopefully uses the
same protocol...

Progress :-)

Spiros


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Subject: HELP: How to install Mac Kermit 0.991
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Can anybody help how to use (or install) Mac Kermit 0.991?
I ftp'd it and un-hqx'd by BinHex 4.0. But after then I can't go further.
How to dial up and connect to remote server, etc. I have MacII with Mac OS 7.1
and 14.4 kbps external modem. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

-Young




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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: HELP: How to install Mac Kermit 0.991
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In article <38rp59$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Young Beom Kim)
writes:
> Can anybody help how to use (or install) Mac Kermit 0.991?
> I ftp'd it and un-hqx'd by BinHex 4.0. But after then I can't go further.
> How to dial up and connect to remote server, etc. I have MacII with Mac OS
> 7.1 and 14.4 kbps external modem. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is
complete.  Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will
be.  Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/test/text directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

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From: [e-mail] (GEORGIOS DIMITOGLOU)
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Dear Friends,

I am trying to write a script *.scr for MS-KERMIT. what I need is a
sequence of commands that will:

1. connect ("c" to connect)
2. send a couple of breaks until there is a response
3. type a command in [enter]
4. Wait until the next prompt comes up
5. type anothe command in [enter]
6. login name:
7. password:

The point is that all the scripts I have seen, are ALL phone-line
dependent; in my situation we dont dial...just get into a banner etc...

any help, or even isolated commands will be great.


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From: [e-mail] (NEIL J LONG)
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Subject: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS
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Hello
Just finished looking at ckermit 5A(190) with a view to running it on an SGI
Indy (Irix 5.2). It builds OK and is OK with -O2 and -mips2 options.

To use 'fast' modems uucp uses /dev/ttyf? for hardware flow control.

Is it neccessary to re-build ckermit with -DCK_RTSCTS in order to set flow
rts/cts or should I just use flow none or what.

Thanks
Neil

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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) wrote on a question I asked about
the transmission of Wp 5.1  ascii files with kermit and said inter alia:

>There are no characters that Kermit cannot digest.  This is a tranmission
>problem, probably caused by a communication path that is using parity

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From: Gianluca Attura <[e-mail]>
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Which is the latest MS-Kermit Beta? I've downloaded
kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip, but it reports Beta 9
instead of Beta 8.

Luca

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The Dial macro seems to be faulty. It always gives me 'Dialing script not
found'.

Also, something seems to be wrong with user defined variables.
When I do something like 'define test \m(_myvar).txt', the '.txt' after the
user variable will not be included in the variable test.

This could be why the CHKMDM macro doesn't detect the dialing script.

--

Regards,
Jonathan

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From: [e-mail] (I. Stirling)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <388j7e$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (I. Stirling)
: writes:
: > This is what I had guessed I needed, my problem is I can't seem to find

: If your version of Kermit was built without TCP/IP support, but your UNIX
: system includes it, this should be a simple matter of rebuilding C-Kermit
: to also include it.
Ah, that's it, it dosen't even give the telnet command.
: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
: mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz).
Thanks.
Ian Stirling.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Need Info on DOS script
Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:15:48 GMT
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In article <38rfo7$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (GEORGIOS DIMITOGLOU) writes:
> I am trying to write a script *.scr for MS-KERMIT. what I need is a
> sequence of commands that will:
> 1. connect ("c" to connect)
> 2. send a couple of breaks until there is a response
> 3. type a command in [enter]
> 4. Wait until the next prompt comes up
> 5. type anothe command in [enter]
> 6. login name:
> 7. password:
>
> The point is that all the scripts I have seen, are ALL phone-line
> dependent; in my situation we dont dial...just get into a banner etc...
>
You can write a script to do anything automatically that you would do
interactively, including decision-making, etc.  Script-writing is
documented thoroughly in the books "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using
C-Kermit".  Kermit's script language is a programming language, and
programmers generally learn and work from manuals.

Two things in connection with your question:

1. You replace CONNECT (which connects a person, through the keyboard
   and screen to the external device, host, or service) with OUTPUT and
   INPUT commands.

2. There is nothing special about a modem.  You give it commands and
   read its responses, same as a computer that you are logging in to.

So if you don't want to read the documentation, then use the dialing
scripts as examples of how to carry on an automated dialog.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ong Sheau Ping)
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I've just tried beta 6 and tried to download a binary file over the
modem. Although I can download the file, but there's quite a lot retries,
and it frequently uses more than 1 sliding-windows. Previously, with ver
3.13, under the same conditions, all my file transfers were very stable,
usually with no retries, and I can have a cps of abt 1500, compared to
abt 1100 for beta 6.

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Regards,
Jonathan

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From: [e-mail] (Evil Twin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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In <383lhq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:

> In article <383hca$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Daniel S.
> Lewart) writes:

[... deleted ...]

> > There is one particularly strange thing that I've seen, but I can't
> > reproduce.  Occasionally, the screen refreshes locally (it is too fast
> > to be remote) which I notice as a ripple quickly moving down the display.
> >
> I see this too on my SVGA, but it has nothing to do with Kermit -- it
> happens at random times no matter what application is running.
>
You know.  Sometimes in the morning my alarm doesn't wake me up.  Is
there something wrong with my kermit set-up?

Tony -












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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: SGI Indy & C-Kermit & RTS/CTS
Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:53:45 GMT
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In article <1994Oct28.162933.26982@oxvaxd> [e-mail] (NEIL J
LONG) writes:
> Just finished looking at ckermit 5A(190) with a view to running it on an
> SGI Indy (Irix 5.2). It builds OK and is OK with -O2 and -mips2 options.
> To use 'fast' modems uucp uses /dev/ttyf? for hardware flow control.
> Is it neccessary to re-build ckermit with -DCK_RTSCTS in order to set flow
> rts/cts or should I just use flow none or what.
>
Unless I am missing something, there is no API in IRIX for hardware flow
control, so rebuilding with -DCK_RTSCTS would not have any affect, even
though it compiles without error.

So, as noted in ckuker.bwr, section 8, the only way to get hardware flow
control with C-Kermit under IRIX is by selecting a /dev/ttyf* device.
This is unfortunate, because Kermit does not (and can not) know that
hardware flow control is in effect, and so (for example) cannot configure
your modem correctly.  This, by the way, is the same style of implementing
hardware flow control that is used by NeXTSTEP.

Looking through <sys/termios.h>, however, I do note the following definition:

  #define CNEW_RTSCTS 010000000 /* RiscOS API compliance */

If this actually means something and can be used to control RTS/CTS, then
some code can be added to C-Kermit, probably within #ifdef IRIX51..#endif,
to take advantage of it.  If you want to look into this, please send me
e-mail.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Unstable file transfer over modem
Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:56:49 GMT
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In article <38lole$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ong Sheau Ping)
writes:
> I've just tried beta 6 and tried to download a binary file over the
> modem. Although I can download the file, but there's quite a lot retries,
> and it frequently uses more than 1 sliding-windows. Previously, with ver
> 3.13, under the same conditions, all my file transfers were very stable,
> usually with no retries, and I can have a cps of abt 1500, compared to
> abt 1100 for beta 6.
>
We will need more information in order to help you with this.  It is not
a general problem at all -- thousands of other people are beta-testing
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 without noticing any degradation in performance.

Please read the KERMIT.BWR file about interrupt and memory conflicts.  I
suspect a memory conflict caused by the temporary change in SET TERMINAL
EXPANDED-MEMORY default to ON.  It has since been changed back to OFF.
If you SET TERM EXPANDED OFF and the problem goes away, this means that
you have a faulty expanded memory configuration.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Dialing problem in Beta 7
Date: 29 Oct 1994 14:59:46 GMT
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In article <38lnvo$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ong Sheau Ping)
writes:
> The Dial macro seems to be faulty. It always gives me 'Dialing script not
> found'.
> Also, something seems to be wrong with user defined variables.
> When I do something like 'define test \m(_myvar).txt', the '.txt' after the
> user variable will not be included in the variable test.
>
I think you are suffering from the time difference between New York and
Singapore.  These problems should all be fixed in Beta-9.

When reporting problems:

 (a) it is better to send your reports directly by email to
     [e-mail], to avoid the Usenet news time delay, and

 (b) please include the Beta edit number.

- Frank

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In article <38p1g8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> Maybe I'm ignorant, but *what* is the
> "standard" for ANSI terminal emulation?  I would guess that it should be
> the document (e.g. in the Microsoft DOS manual) that describes ANSI.SYS,
> the IBM PC console driver, affectionately named after the organization
> that published the X3.64 standard, which describes the form and function
> of a repertoire of escape sequences, and forms the basis for the
> VT100/VT200 and higher architectures, and which conforms to ISO Standards
> 2022 and 4873, but which certainly does not describe the ANSI console
> driver.

That style of escape sequences was known as "ANSI" long before Microsoft
used them in the ANSI.SYS driver.  I remember several terminals from the
late 70's/early 80's that did not claim full VT100 compatibility but which
did claim to be ANSI terminals.  The main distinguishing characteristics
of the new crop of `PC ANSI' terminals seem to be omitting some of the DEC
specific features and adding sequences for color.  Both ANSI.SYS and the
DECterms on DEC workstations support the color sequences (although the
DEC VT340 color graphics terminals do NOT - color is supported mainly
through the graphics commands).

> Nor does the ANSI.SYS documentation include many functions that are
> commonly used by BBSs.

The ANSI.SYS driver doesn't include many sequences that are allowed by
essentially every other `ANSI' terminal.  For example, the clear-screen
sequence in ANSI.SYS is defined to be ESC [ 2 J, which clears the entire
screen; but essentially every ANSI terminal other than ANSI.SYS allows
arguments other than 2 (0 or omitted clears from cursor to end of screen
and 1 clears from cursor to beginning of screen).  I don't think ANSI.SYS
is very representative of anything other than itself.

> For example: Two betas ago somebody complained
> that Kermit did not "correctly implement" the "ANSI" screen-clearing
> "standard".  What was it?  Just a plain, bare Ctrl-L.  To my knowledge, no
> CRT terminal in the world uses this for screen clearing (although hardcopy
> printers use it for page feed).  Not even the ANSI.SYS console driver
> clears the screen when given a Ctrl-L; it just prints a little "female"
> sign (but of course, we accommated and now Kermit follows the "ANSI
> standard for screen clearing).

There actually were a couple of terminals that would clear the screen on
a bare CTRL-L;  I think one of the early ADM terminals (not the popular
ADM-3 but an earlier one) might have, and I know that the ACT-4 did.  I
think one or another of the old Tektronix terminals or terminals that
emulated them would also allow a CTRL-L to clear the screen in addition to
the more normal ESC CTRL-L sequence that was the recommended way to clear
the screen.  (I know that wasn't universal for Tektronix-like terminals,
so very little software used it).  It's been a long time since I've dealt
with that vintage of terminals, but I might be able to dig up some old
documentation on them.

I'm unaware of any `ANSI' terminals that clear the screen on a CTRL-L, but
there might be one.  It's certainly not part of the standard, even a de
facto one.

> [Good description of the form of an ANSI escape sequence deleted]
>
> Now along comes "ANSI music".  What is it?  It is "beeper" music encoded
> like a PC BASIC "PLAY" command.  It comes right after the ESC [, and can
> start with any character at all.  Example:
>
>  ESC [ MFT120O3 G8.A32F32G4.O4C8O3A8F8D8F8O4C8O3B8O4C2 ...
>
> and is terminated by a Ctrl-N.  What is wrong with this idea?
>
> [... Analysis of problems with this scheme deleted...]

How could ANY reasonable terminal emulator interpret this syntax as
described?  Since ANSI terminals are in general at the end of a wire
with characters arriving at indeterminate intervals (unlike block mode
terminals where you usually have definite start- and end-of-packet markers
and so can know exactly what the entire sequence being sent is, so that
you can design parsers for languages where the interpretation of a token
can have a more complex dependency on later tokens in the stream), I don't
see how this could be expected to work in the general case.  The only way I
can see to implement this type of functionality reliably is on a single
system (say as an ANSI.SYS replacement) and to require that the entire
music sequence be sent in a single write command to the OS.

The amazing thing is that current practice in ANSI terminal sequences
already provides a way around this.  There are four sequences that allow
encapsulating sequences to the terminal that might not follow ANSI syntax:

    ESC P    Begin Device commands
    ESC ^    Begin Privacy commands
    ESC ]    Begin OS commands
    ESC _    Begin Application commands

All are terminated by an ESC \.  (All of these can be replaced by the
appropriate C1 control character by adding 0x40 to the character following
the ESC character and omitting the ESC).  Within the string bounded by
these sequences, you can put anything you want that your terminal
emulator can parse.  Terminals that don't know how to interpret the
sequences will just ignore them.  Why design a kludge such as described
above where you must have to make guesses about how many characters will
arrive in how much time in order to parse the string, when there is already
a way to do what the designer must have wanted?

This is the sort of thing you might expect when someone who is not
qualified to design such a protocol attempts to do so.

> You might ask, "why so hard on ANSI music?  It's cute!"  Maybe so, but
> then it should have been designed conform to the ANSI standard.  The
> problem with the current definition is not just one of purity.  It is that
> a terminal or emulator CAN NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE between a valid escape
> sequence and an ANSI music sequence that contains a valid ANSI final
> character.
>
> So... the final Kermit change noted above simply makes Kermit, when in
> ANSI mode, ignore Ctrl-N (and its counterpart, Ctrl-O).  So if you log in
> to a BBS that sends ANSI music, you are likely to see strings of letters
> and numbers on your screen when music is played, but at least from that
> point on you will no longer see total gibberish!

If you're going to support multiple character sets in ANSI mode (as opposed
to VT100 mode), then you can't ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O.  Personally I
would see this as a greater loss than producing garbage when a broken
program writes junk to the terminal, however `cute' the intended result.
If it's really becoming popular somewhere I can see the motivation however;
but I agree there's no reasonable way to parse it in the typical terminal
emulator environment.

Is there ANY terminal emulator out there that supports this abomination?

Bruce C. Wright

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> If you're going to support multiple character sets in ANSI mode (as opposed
> to VT100 mode), then you can't ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O.  Personally I
> would see this as a greater loss than producing garbage when a broken
> program writes junk to the terminal, however `cute' the intended result.
> If it's really becoming popular somewhere I can see the motivation however;
> but I agree there's no reasonable way to parse it in the typical terminal
> emulator environment.
>
> Is there ANY terminal emulator out there that supports this abomination?
>
I presume there must be, since the music string in my message was captured
from a BBS.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough about the reason we have to ignore Ctrl-N and
Ctrl-O in ANSI emulation.  It has nothing to do with how the music string
is displayed.  Who cares, right?

It's that the Ctrl-N, if interpreted as it should be, will cause the terminal
to treat all subsequent GL characters as if they were GR characters, until
a Ctrl-O is received.  Thus, after the emulator receives its first ANSI
music string, there is no longer anything legible on the screen.  Messages
and prompts come out as pure gibberish (random accented letters, box and
line drawing characters, etc).

Yes, of course ANSI music could have been implemented as "Application
Program Command" or any of the several other string-bearing escape sequences.
In fact, that's what I expected it was when I first heard of it -- a well-
defined, delimited string conforming to ANSI (i.e. American National
Standards Institute, not "ANSI" in the BBS sense) and ISO rules, containing
a series of encoded pitch and duration indications, probably as numbers
separated by semicolons.  How naive of me!

Perhaps as a result of this discussion, somebody would like to redesign
so-called "ANSI" music to conform to true ANSI/ISO rules AND not be a
totally PC-ROM-BASIC-dependent PLAY command to boot.  Then it might actually
gain some acceptance.  Should someone decide to do this, it is extremely
important that the music string begin with some kind of unique token that
identifies itself as, indeed, a music string, and possibly also a format or
version indicator, allowing for future expansion or modifications.  In
other words, don't just stick the music string into an APC, OSC, PM, or
similar command, because these escape sequences ARE ALREADY USED for
other purposes.

- Frank

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Configuring the modem for hardware flow control is done properly in the
"dial init-string" option, which I use anyway to always set the modem
correctly no matter who used it last. Ergo, the OS does not need to know
how to configure it, just your .kermrc file.

I installed Kermit 5A(189) on an Indigo with 4.0.5f, and it worked fine
with only software flow control.

                Nico Garcia
                [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 Ready
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of 2:30pm EST, Sunday, October 30:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes include:

 . Fossil-driver hangup bug fix, and add explict raise and lower of DTR
   signal to perform a connection hangup when using a fossil driver.

 . GETC command now returns backslash numeric codes for keys which yield
   control codes, DEL, space, and the four delimiters (, ), {, }.
   \fcode(arg) now accepts backslash numeric codes as representing a
   character. Thus \fcode(\65) and \fcode(A) both return two bytes 65.

 . Internal change to ODI handler.  Physical address length of Arcnet
   boards changed from 1 byte (which it really is) to 6 bytes to satisfy
   ODI.

 . New command SET MODEM <text> is exactly like DEFINE _MODEM <text>, but
   more intuitive, and also familiar to C-Kermit users.

 . Correct a bug in handling \$(NAME) environment-variable handling.

 . SET CARRIER ON is now enforced in addition places during packet mode,
   to ensure that carrier loss is acted upon immediately.

 . Binary-mode file transfers were broken if the transfer character-set
   was set to Japanese.  Now fixed.

Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik for all of this work, and to Hirofumi
Fujii for the Kanji item.  Note: Kanji terminal emulation is not yet
operational, and is still being worked on.  And thanks to all the beta
testers for their good reports!

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to [e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Prime Kermit Binaries Now Available
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Binaries for Prime Kermit versions 8.12, 8.14, and 8.15 are now available
via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, binary
mode, files:

  prime812.run
  prime814.run
  prime815.run

Thanks to Don Prezioso and Haakan Sjoegren for sending them in!

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

:  . ANSI emulator innoculated against "ANSI music".

: About so-called "ANSI" so-called "music"...  It's bad enough that we must

I wouldn't invalidate the ^N sequence just to make one BBS happy.
Does this BBS require a particular DEVICE=music.ansi.sys?
What PC emulator can interpret it (Procomm+Music)?

--
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Nico Garcia) writes:

   Configuring the modem for hardware flow control is done properly in the
   "dial init-string" option, which I use anyway to always set the modem
   correctly no matter who used it last. Ergo, the OS does not need to know
   how to configure it, just your .kermrc file.

Minor correction: this is for if your software and /dev/ entry know to handle
hardware flow control, as well.

                Nico Garcia
                [e-mail]

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I am having a CASE 9600 modem hook up on a Personal IRIS running IRIX 5.2. I am using uucp for dialing out to Internet. However I kept having problems when I want to dial in from outside. I followed all the steps in the system administration stated in the IRIX documentation, but it still failed. Could anyone out there give me a helping hand? Everytime when I dial in from outside, I got the message connected, but the login prompt never appeared.

Thanks in advance./

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I have two problems:
I have set parity,handshake,flow and duplex at both ends as follows:
parity space
duplex full
flow xon/xoff
handshake none
but I cannot upload! Downloads are great! but I get massive retries until
it dies. I have 0.991(190) on the mac and they are running 5A(188) on
the vax.Any thoughts?

Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does
mackermit pick it up like mskermit does?

thanks
joe baciewicz
[e-mail]

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In article <38qtp6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Keith Willett) writes:
>
> I am interested in setting up Kermit on a Unix system which will monitor
> the serial port for transmissions and write the information to a file.
> The serial port is connected via null modem cable to a PBX which dumps
> statistical data on a periodic basis.  The switch sends data to the
> serial port as it would to a printer.  I can't signon to the switch or
> otherwise communicate to it, I can only capture whatever it sends.  I
> am most appreciative for any tips anyone has to offer and will forward
> the results to anyone interested.  Thanks.
>
> --
> ---Keith Willett
---------
    Easy, and in the manual. Use Connect mode (terminal emulation),
but before starting it say LOG SESSION filename.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Goh Kee Chye Lawrence)
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    I'm having problem performing an eval `resize` from within a macro.
    The problem seems to be that Kermit doesn't respond to VT100
    queries while a macro is runnning.
    Are there ways around this or will there be changes to how macros
    are run to resolve this? TIA.

--
(_orenzo . Lawrence Goh <[e-mail]>
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From: [e-mail]
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In article <390kpo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>> If you're going to support multiple character sets in ANSI mode (as opposed
>> to VT100 mode), then you can't ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O.  Personally I
>> would see this as a greater loss than producing garbage when a broken
>> program writes junk to the terminal, however `cute' the intended result.
>> If it's really becoming popular somewhere I can see the motivation however;
>> but I agree there's no reasonable way to parse it in the typical terminal
>> emulator environment.
>>
>> Is there ANY terminal emulator out there that supports this abomination?
>>
> I presume there must be, since the music string in my message was captured
> from a BBS.
>
> Maybe I wasn't clear enough about the reason we have to ignore Ctrl-N and
> Ctrl-O in ANSI emulation.  It has nothing to do with how the music string
> is displayed.  Who cares, right?
>
> It's that the Ctrl-N, if interpreted as it should be, will cause the terminal
> to treat all subsequent GL characters as if they were GR characters, until
> a Ctrl-O is received.  Thus, after the emulator receives its first ANSI
> music string, there is no longer anything legible on the screen.  Messages
> and prompts come out as pure gibberish (random accented letters, box and
> line drawing characters, etc).

Frank,

I quite saw the point, although it's possible that other people might
not have.  But of course if you ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O, you have
eliminated the most common way of selecting alternate character sets.
We both know there are other ways for the host to request alternate
character sets, but most host software uses the SI/SO (CTRL-N/CTRL-O)
technique;  it's what's available on the largest number of terminals.

> Perhaps as a result of this discussion, somebody would like to redesign
> so-called "ANSI" music to conform to true ANSI/ISO rules AND not be a
> totally PC-ROM-BASIC-dependent PLAY command to boot.  Then it might actually
> gain some acceptance.  Should someone decide to do this, it is extremely
> important that the music string begin with some kind of unique token that
> identifies itself as, indeed, a music string, and possibly also a format or
> version indicator, allowing for future expansion or modifications.  In
> other words, don't just stick the music string into an APC, OSC, PM, or
> similar command, because these escape sequences ARE ALREADY USED for
> other purposes.

These are reasonable suggestions.  I don't know if it would be more
reasonable to make a music escape sequence look like another ANSI escape
sequence with `;'-delimited parameters and an operation at the end or
whether it should be in an APC or DC or other string, but if it's the latter
it should be in a format that would not be likely to be misinterpreted as,
for example, a Sixel or ReGIS string or other command string intended for
specific terminal types.

I'm sure I could do it if I could find the time but I don't seem to have
a lot lately.  Any other takers?

Bruce C. Wright

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From: [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready)
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In <38p1g8$[e-mail]> Frank da Cruz writes:

> OK, fine -- the ANSI standard is ANSI.SYS, plus selected VT100 items, plus
> creative interpretation of some control characters.  But if one is going
> to claim "ANSI conformance", then one should at least pay attention to the
> *form* of an ANSI escape sequence (...)

Now that you are working on implementing the BBS-ANSI-non-standard as
encompassing as possible (granted, without the music parts), would it
be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation, a.k.a.
SCO-ANSI? Of course, SCO-ANSI differs from BBS-ANSI, but at least there
is a real definition of it...

--
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse) writes:
> Now that you are working on implementing the BBS-ANSI-non-standard as
> encompassing as possible (granted, without the music parts), would it
> be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation, a.k.a.
> SCO-ANSI? Of course, SCO-ANSI differs from BBS-ANSI, but at least there
> is a real definition of it...
>
We don't have any plans for this, but if there were a significant demand
(so far there has not been), we might consider it.  Many other items have
higher priority.

I believe this is basically the current ANSI screen handling, but with the
keyboard handled differently -- instead of transmitting the characters
associated with the keys, the scan codes are transmitted.

To the best of my knowledge, this is used only for communicating with the
SCO console driver.  True?

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: eval `resize` in macro?
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In article <38t1tf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Goh Kee Chye
Lawrence) writes:
>     I'm having problem performing an eval `resize` from within a macro.
>     The problem seems to be that Kermit doesn't respond to VT100
>     queries while a macro is runnning.
>     Are there ways around this or will there be changes to how macros
>     are run to resolve this? TIA.
>
This is indeed a Frequently Asked Question.

When the command parser is active, the terminal emulator is not active.

When the terminal emulator is active, the command parser is not active.

Thus, when writing script programs that log into VMS (which does a SET
TERMINAL/INQUIRE) or that must respond to "cursor position report" escape
sequences (such as sent by `eval resize`), the script program itself must
look for these escape sequences and respond accordingly.

See the KERMIT.BWR file for some examples.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> I quite saw the point, although it's possible that other people might
> not have.  But of course if you ignore CTRL-N and CTRL-O, you have
> eliminated the most common way of selecting alternate character sets.
> We both know there are other ways for the host to request alternate
> character sets, but most host software uses the SI/SO (CTRL-N/CTRL-O)
> technique;  it's what's available on the largest number of terminals.
>
I know.  That is whay Ctrl-N/Ctrl-O processing is disabled ONLY for "ANSI"
terminal emulation -- not VT100, VT220, VT320, etc.

I am confident that BBSs are completely unconcerned with both 7-bit access
and with character sets.  The entire premise of the BBS world is that you
have a totally transparent 8-bit communications link, and there is only
one character set in the world: code page 437.

Can anybody prove me wrong?  Is there a BBS anywhere in the world that is
designed to allow 7-bit access, or that supports different character sets,
but still expects the "ANSI" terminal type?  I would like to think so, but
I am not hopeful.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: vax/mac
Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:32:27 GMT
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In article <391b4j$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
> I have two problems:
> I have set parity,handshake,flow and duplex at both ends as follows:
> parity space
> duplex full
> flow xon/xoff
> handshake none
> but I cannot upload! Downloads are great! but I get massive retries until
> it dies. I have 0.991(190) on the mac and they are running 5A(188) on
> the vax.Any thoughts?
>
It could be any number of things, most likely a flow control problem.  We
have discussed this numerous times.  Make sure that the most effective
means of flow control is enabled at every point along the communication path.

Evidently you are using end-to-end Xon/Xoff (software) flow control, which
is often the best you can do when VMS is on the other end.  But if you are
entering VMS through a terminal server, you might do better with hardware
flow control (RTS/CTS) if your modem supports, and if the remote modem does
too, and so does the terminal server, AND it is enabled in all those places
and in Mac Kermit too.  Read ckmker.bwr for instructions.

Also, be sure to tell VMS to SET TERM /TTSYNC /HOSTSYNC.  Also, have the
VMS system manager read the CKVINS.DOC file, which includes instructions
regarding VMS SYSGEN parameters, buffer allocation, privileges and quotas,
etc.

> Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does
> mackermit pick it up like mskermit does?
>
You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then
Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document.  After that, clicking
on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands.

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

> > Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does
> > mackermit pick it up like mskermit does?
> >
> You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then
> Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document.  After that, clicking
> on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands.

is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization
commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by
clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load
the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can be
included in the init file that will automatically load the settings?

B*B,
-Smoke.

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From: [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse)
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In <392u8h$[e-mail]> Frank da Cruz writes:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse) writes:
>> (...) would it be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation,
>> a.k.a. SCO-ANSI?

> I believe this is basically the current ANSI screen handling, but with the
> keyboard handled differently -- instead of transmitting the characters
> associated with the keys, the scan codes are transmitted.

Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In
Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M,
shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for
scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'.

> To the best of my knowledge, this is used only for communicating with the
> SCO console driver.  True?

SCO ansi can be used via the serial driver as well, by using the 'ansi'
termcap/terminfo entries. Quite a few terminal-emulation packages have a
sco-ansi option now (James River's Ice-ten, for example), which makes it
the emulation of choice with these programs.

--
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                                              |
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I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit.  Does such a thing even exist?  A
nd if it does, does anyone know where I can find it?




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From: [e-mail] (Robert Andersson)
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In <392um9$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>I am confident that BBSs are completely unconcerned with both 7-bit access
>and with character sets.  The entire premise of the BBS world is that you
>have a totally transparent 8-bit communications link, and there is only
>one character set in the world: code page 437.
>Can anybody prove me wrong?  Is there a BBS anywhere in the world that is
>designed to allow 7-bit access, or that supports different character sets,
>but still expects the "ANSI" terminal type?  I would like to think so, but
>I am not hopeful.

You're being overly pessimistic.  Below is a screen snapshot from the
character set configuration in the BBS system we run here.  This BBS is also
programmed to support both 8bit-none and 7bit-even parity, with detection
being done automatically at logon time.  All while running in "ANSI" BBS
emulation mode.  The same BBS software runs at a few hundred sites around
the world, with most installations in Norway and Finland.

Which character set are you using (type ? for help): ?

Character sets: look at these characters...
      1:[   2:]   3:   4:A   5:#   6:^   7:{

1) If 1 is a left square bracket then
   1a) If 3 is a japanese Yen sign (capital Y) you have     IBM
   1b) If 3 is a norwegian OE then you are using            IBN
   1c) If 3 is a small u with an accent you are an Apple    MAC
   1d) If 4 is a capital A with an accent then you have     ISO
   1e) If 5 is a number sign (double cross) you have        US7
   1f) If 5 is a pounds sign then you are in                UK7
2) If 1 is a capital A with two dots on it then
   2a) If 2 is a U with two dots on it then you have        GE7
   2b) If 2 is a A with a ring over it then you are using   SF7
3) If 1 is a capital AE sign then
   3a) If 6 is a U with two dots on it then you are using   DE7
   3b) If 6 is a caret (hat, circumflex accent) then it's   NO7
4) If 1 is a degree sign then
   4a) If 7 is a small e with an accent then you have       FR7
   4b) If 7 is a small a with an accent then you have       IT7
5) If 1 is an upside exclamation mark then you have         SP7

Regards, Robert.
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:
> I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit.  Does such a thing even
> exist?  And if it does, does anyone know where I can find it?
>
The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS
Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test.  It is not a native
Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse) writes:
> Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In
> Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M,
> shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for
> scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'.
>
You can make MS-DOS Kermit send anything you want with SET KEY, so at least
the keyboard part is user programmable.  I don't know what you mean by
scrolling and coloring -- Kermit already does those things.  Send-screen-to-
host is an unacceptable security risk.

I don't think adding this kind of emulation would serve any particularly
pressing need, since SCO has lots of termcaps -- just use a different one,
like VT100, VT320, etc.

- Frank

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In article <3935bt$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (CONRAD
DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) writes:
> Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
> is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization
> commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by
> clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load
> the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can
> be included in the init file that will automatically load the settings?
>
Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing.

Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless
we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes
forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications programming, there
will not be much movement in this area.  Prospects in both areas, at present,
are dim.

Sorry, I wish I had better news.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Dale R. Worley)
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I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to
receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that
is attempting to send a file.  As far as I can tell, right now once I
start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and
then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect.  This seems
quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen
automatically.  But I haven't been able to find it in the
documentation.

Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command?
So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing
ATDT to the modem.

And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  Or is
the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?

Dale

Dale Worley        Dept. of Math., MIT        [e-mail]
--
Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell?

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dale R.
Worley) writes:
> I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to
> receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that
> is attempting to send a file.  As far as I can tell, right now once I
> start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and
> then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect.  This seems
> quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen
> automatically.  But I haven't been able to find it in the
> documentation.
>
Yes, there is a way.  Please read about the APC command in the KERMIT.UPD
file.

> Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command?
> So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing
> ATDT to the modem.
>
Use the DIAL macros and dialing directory that come with MS-DOS Kermit.
Read about them in the same KERMIT.UPD file.

The DIAL macro does not CONNECT automatically.  This is so it can be
imbedded in other macros.  If you want to DIAL and CONNECT in a single
operation, define a macro to do this:

  define online dial \%1, connect

> And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  Or is
> the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?
>
Somebody else please respond to this one.

>
> Dale Worley        Dept. of Math., MIT        [e-mail]
> --
> Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell?

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From: [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer)
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Subject: More lines per page?
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Dear Netbeings,
  I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit.  apart from dos,
the package is fine.  I'd like to figure out how to set the video such
that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc.
Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can
get on my Decterms in Motif.

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brainwave
Surfer) writes:
> Dear Netbeings,
>   I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit.  apart from dos,
> the package is fine.  I'd like to figure out how to set the video such
> that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc.
> Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can
> get on my Decterms in Motif.
>
Just put the video adapter in the desired mode before starting Kermit.
Kermit should automatically sense the number of screen lines -- not
foolproof, but it usually works (video adapter details vary).

This is usually done with a MODE command, like MODE CO80,55 or whatever.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Henrik Graversen <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Is there a way to control the speed of the REPLAY command
> in MS Kermit 3.12?  Or maybe even a way to use pagedown, pageup, etc.?
>
> When I have logged a session to session.log and and want to take a look
> at the log-file it is far from easy to read it as it scrolls by at 100
> mph.
>
There are some tricks.

The best trick is to get a more up-to-date version of Kermit (3.13 or 3.14
Beta), which allows *huge* rollback buffers if you put them in Expanded
Memory (EMS) via the new command SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY ON.  Then
you can use SET TERM ROLLBACK <number> to allocate as many as 8000
rollback screens.  NOTE: This requires that you have a big physical memory
(more than 2MB or more) and that you use an expanded memory manager to
configure a lot of EMS.  See the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with version
3.13 or 3.14.

Then you can REPLAY the log file and it will fly past at 100 miles per
hour.  But after that you can use Home, PgUp, PgDn, Ctrl-PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn,
and End to view it at your leisure.  (You can also use new keyboard verbs
to scroll right and left, in case the virtual screen is wider than the
physical screen).

The second trick would be to transfer the log file to the host and then
either run it through something like "more" (not great, since it
interferes with the display), or write a little utility program that looks
for special "signs" in the log (which you would insert with an editor), at
which it should pause until you press a key.

For MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory
kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Morris Pomey)
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I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS.
I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu.

Can someone tell me where to find it if it exists?

Thanks a lot.


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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Morris
Pomey) writes:
> I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS.
> I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu.
>
C-Kermit 5A(190) is a full-featured version of C-Kermit for Stratus
VOS.  The files are in the kermit/test/text and kermit/test/bin
directories.  The VOS-specific files have names that start with "ckl".

This is a brand-new addition; prior to this, we did not have a Kermit
program for Stratus VOS.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
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Kermit-370 version 4.3.1 is now in beta testing for all the major variants
(CMS, TSO, MUSIC, and CICS).  4.3.1 supports the same new protocol features
(RESEND and communication of TEXT/BIN types) being introduced with the
test versions of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, as well as some system-
specific updates, such as using the transmitted time tag for files uploaded
to CMS or CICS, and support for the new expanded file system in MUSIC.
People who are interested in trying out the test version can find the
updates in files ik*.nup in kermit/b.  Please drop me a line if you plan
to do some testing, so that I'll know who's doing what.  Thanks.

            John Chandler <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail] (NEIL J LONG)
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I have just been playing with a Hayes ACCURA 14.4 and Ms-Kermit 3.13 and
3.14Beta-10.

Could someone explain how to get the best out of it. I have been able to
connect with speeds set to 14400 to a v32bis dial in service.

Why does ver 3.14 get in to the situation where it sends AT commands at the
rate of 1 per 8 seconds for each A...........T.........
if I send them with RTS/CTS set but not if flow is none or XON/XOFF.

I tried the ultra144 script and that a) took forever and b) gave me a bizarre
screen. Most of the codes seemed reasonable.

3.13 doesn't behave this way (not using the scripts and rts/cts doesn't have
this effect).

Could someone email me a suitable mod to any of the scripts which they know
will work with it - I can fool around forever at this rate as the scripts all
tend to set rts/cts before sending the codes.

I am assuming that the hardware is fine since it works for 3.13 and the
'bundled' smartcom LE for Windows (euggh). Hate Windows.

Thanks
Neil

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: Re: More lines per page?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Brainwave Surfer <[e-mail]> wrote:
:Dear Netbeings,
:  I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit.  apart from dos,
:the package is fine.  I'd like to figure out how to set the video such
:that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc.
:Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can
:get on my Decterms in Motif.
:
:Jim

[sig deleted]

Okay, here's what you need to do on both ends of the connection.

PC--make sure you've got either an EGA card (for 43 line mode) or a VGA
    card (for 50 line mode).  Some cards support some funky things like
    60 lines under some Super-VGA setting or another.
    make sure you load an ANSI driver like ansi.sys or nnansi.sys
    issue the following mode command `mode con: lines=50'.
    start kermit.

UNIX-connect to host.
     issue an eval `tset -sQI <your-term-emulation>` command to set the
     TERM and TERMCAP environment variables.  For example eval `tset
     -sQI vt220` evaluates and sets the variables for vt220 term.  Make
     sure that you put in the ``I'' argument.  If you don't, then
     you'll see your screen cut in half and only the first 25 lines
     being drawn on.  If this happens, then you'll have to go to the
     kermit command line and do a `ru mode con: lines=50' command to
     reset your local terminal.
     Issue the `stty rows 49' command to set the number of rows (or
     `stty rows 50' if you don't use the status line at the bottom of
     the screen), followed by a `reset' command.

That should do it.  I don't know how to do this if you're connecting to
other types of host.  I think that for IBM's it doesn't make a
difference if they're in fullscreen mode, then they'll use all of the
available lines.  As for other types of hosts, your mileage may vary.

        --Jerry

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From: [e-mail] (Xander Jansen)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: > And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  Or is
: > the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?
: >
: Somebody else please respond to this one.

;-)

My humble opinion is that the book is great and that the online documentation
(the files KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.UPD and KERMIT.BWR) are very usefull and better
than the 'online documentation' found with some other 'free/share/other-ware'
programs.

The mentioned files have kept me from sending in many questions and
bug-reports to the kermit people because the answer to my questions were
there. So even without the book the documentation is there and answers most
questions you might have.

--
Xander.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dale R. Worley) writes:
>I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to
>receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that
>is attempting to send a file.  As far as I can tell, right now once I
>start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and
>then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect.  This seems
>quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen
>automatically.  But I haven't been able to find it in the
>documentation.

What version of Kermit are you running?  Latest beta test is 3.14, revision
10, available at kermit.columbia.edu under the directory:
/kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip

To automatically send/receive files via Kermit, please check out the
KERMIT.UPD file that comes with the beta.  It explains how to engage
autoupload/download with Kermit.

NOTE: MS-Kermit must be version 3.14, and C-Kermit (assuming that is
what is on the host side) must be version 190.

>Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command?
>So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing
>ATDT to the modem.

To dial, type "dial xxx-xxxx" or edit the DIALUPS.TXT file and add
the phone number you wish to dial in the format specified in that file.

If I'm not mistaken, if you use the "dial" macro, it will connect
you.  Otherwise, if you are a purist and want to do ATDT before the
phone numbers, then put a CONNECT at the bottom of your MSCUSTOM.INI.

>And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?

It comes with a *lot* of documentation.  The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD
file are both sets of documentation.  If you issue a HELP at the Kermit
prompt, you get more information.  While you are typing in a comment,
but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will
magically get help for that command.

Indeed, you can learn almost everything there is to know about MS-Kermit,
programming scripts, macros, etc. (which aren't really all that hard!)
simply by using the information provided with the Kermit distribution.

>Or is the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?

Indeed - it is a rumour.  Is it true?  No.


Ken
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In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set
an internal register in my modem.  I would like this to be done
automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my
modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this.
The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem
and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register.

Thanks for any suggestions,

Barry
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Barry Tolnas <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set
>an internal register in my modem.  I would like this to be done
>automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my
>modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this.
>The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem
>and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register.
>

The best way to handle this is to use the built in dial commands:

you can either use "set dial init \13ATS28=255\13" or
"set dial dial-command \13ATS28=255DT%s\13"

move info about the dial commands in "Using C-Kermit"

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Barry Tolnas <[e-mail]> wrote:
:
:In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set
:an internal register in my modem.  I would like this to be done
:automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my
:modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this.
:The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem
:and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register.
:
:Thanks for any suggestions,
:
:Barry
:[e-mail]

[.sig deleted]

Yeah, just put the line `output ats28=255' in your .mykermit file.
This is documented in the book and and you can see examples of it in
any of the dialing scripts...

        --Jerry

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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
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Subject: Beta MSKERMIT Z100?
Date: 2 Nov 1994 02:43:29 GMT
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This is not a prod.

I am just curious on how to keep up on the latest Beta releases
for MSKERMIT 3.14 for non-PC clones?

Basically I stumbled across the one for the Z100 by posting here
and getting responses that told me one was available.

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From: [e-mail] (Victor Boyko)
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Hello!

There seems to be a problem with cyrillic in Kermit (invoked by
command cyrillic). The Russian letters for 's' and 'e' produce the
same character 'c'. This is quite inconvenient. Also, if I use both
emacsker.scr and koi8.ini it complains that there is not enough memory
for key definitions and discards my emacs key bindings.

Victor


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From: [e-mail] (4th Dimension)
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Subject: Zmodem on kermit
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Hi,

Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities
while working in kermit.

Examples will be appreciates.

          Thanks in advance,

               Itamar


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From: [e-mail] (Arcell B. Frazier)
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Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
you are using upon startup?

Fast Cart
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
> You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then
> Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document.  After that, clicking
> on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands.

hmm.... i have another question. i tried this myself and everything seemed to
work ok until i opened up mackermit by clicking on the kermit document (which
didn't have an icon...). i got a warning saying that this document had _not_
been created by mackermit (it had! it said KR09 in the Get Info window...)
and i had to choose to open it with mackermit manually. then, as soon as it
had opened i got an error message - something to the effect of "application
'mackermit' has unexpectedly quit due to unknown error number 28". what am i
doing wrong?

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Arcell B. Frazier) writes:

>   Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
>   you are using upon startup?
>
>   Fast Cart

set line /dev/whatever


Barry

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Subject: Manuals and speed
Date: 2 Nov 1994 14:20:19 GMT
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Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for
kermit.  I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my
pc to my Unix server.  It would be nice if the script could be set to
run on startup.
Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my
university server.  It is not the program I normaly use, but appears
to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about
it.
 Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster.  I have a
14.4 modem.  My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will
transfer around 1500 using zmodem.  If I get Kermit to run at 260, I
am lucky.  What can I do to make my faster.  Thank you to all who may
respond
ATZ





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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Echoing modem responses
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How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script?

--
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Echoing modem responses
Date: 2 Nov 1994 16:32:14 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
writes:
> How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script?
>
Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is:

  SET TAKE ECHO ON
  SET TAKE-ECHO ON

etc.  If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is:

  SET DIAL DISPLAY ON

MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with
the modem.

Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using
C-Kermit" for complete details.

- Frank

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In article <398773$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] () writes:
> Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for
> kermit.  I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my
> pc to my Unix server.  It would be nice if the script could be set to
> run on startup.
> Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my
> university server.  It is not the program I normaly use, but appears
> to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about
> it.
>
Information on manuals enclosed below.

>  Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster.  I have a
> 14.4 modem.  My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will
> transfer around 1500 using zmodem.  If I get Kermit to run at 260, I
> am lucky.  What can I do to make my faster.  Thank you to all who may
> respond
>
Yes, Kermit will do 1500, 1600 or higher if you use long packets, sliding
windows, and control-character unprefixing.  Also enable compression and
error correction in the modem, and use hardware flow control (our dialing
scripts do this for you automatically).  For details about long packets and
sliding windows, read the manual(s).  Control-character unprefixing is a
relatively recent addition, documented in the appropriate "update" file,
KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit).

                           KERMIT BOOK LIST

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MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and
compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in:

    Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
    IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.  In computer
    and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from
    Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette,
    including German- language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W.
    Selke.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.

And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme
    edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.
    Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2,
    and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean
    Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.

There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the
NEC PC9801:

    Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today
    Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages.
    ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E.

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C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2,
AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is
documented in:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-108-0.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und
    Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).  ISBN
    3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.

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The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book,
which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data
communications, and using Kermit:

    Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press /
    Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN
    0-932376-88-6.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

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Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating
systems is available from Columbia University.  Contact Columbia for a
free Kermit software catalog.


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                                 HOW TO ORDER

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ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

   1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher,
      Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or
      American Express:

          [phone]     (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada)
          [phone]       (Rushden, England office for Europe)
          [phone]      (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ)
          [phone]        (Singapore office for Asia)

   2. From Columbia University:

          Kermit Development and Distribution
          Columbia University Academic Information Systems
          612 West 115th Street
          New York, NY  10025  USA
          Tel.  [phone]
          Fax.  [phone]
          E-Mail: [e-mail]

      Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Add $5 US for shipping
      outside of North America.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
      Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for
      checks not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not
      include sales tax.  Quantity discounts are available.
      Single-copy US prices (in US dollars):

          Using MS-DOS Kermit  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95
          All three  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95

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GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

        MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00
        C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00

        Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG
        Helstorfer Strasse 7
        D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY
        Tel.  [phone]
        Fax.  [phone]

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FRENCH:  Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi:  . . . . . . . . . . .  FF 495,00

        Heinz Schiefer & Cie.
        45 rue Henri de Regnier
        F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE
        Tel.  [phone]
        Fax.  [phone]

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JAPANESE:  MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  1,800 Y

        Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd.
        Abe-toku Building
        2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku
        Tokyo 101, JAPAN
        Tel.  [phone]

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Subject: printing 132 columns
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We use Kermit 3.13 with a VAX-ALPHA HOST application on a Banyan Network (TCP/IP
protocol). The application can control the network printer by means of the 'printer controller'
sequences (CSI 5 i to turn the hardcopy printer on and CSI 4 i to turn it off again). Of course
Kermit will do the trick, however we would like to have the ability of printing in compressed
mode (or better: to select a printer driver like HP, IBM etc) because most of the files we print
are 132 columns width and we like to print it on a network printer. By the way it is of course
not possible to change the printer setting by the well-known printer switchboard.
Can anybody give me a suggestion on how to tackle this problem?

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and ISDN
Date: 2 Nov 1994 20:22:37 GMT
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We have added the following words to the KERMIT.UPD file, but we do
not have any verification that these items actually work with MS-DOS
Kermit 3.14.  Could somebody -- most likely in Germany or Austria --
with an ISDN interface and a CAPI driver and an ISDN phone please check
and report and/or clarify?  Thanks!

Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) boards serve ISDN digital
telephones, which provide (among other things) 64Kbps data transmission.
ISDN boards are not serial boards, and therefore require special drivers.
There is a Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) for ISDN
boards, defined by German Telecom and German ISDN manufacturers.  CAPI
drivers are supplied by ISDN board manufacturers.  MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does
not support CAPI directly, but shims exist that allow Kermit to be used
with ISDN anyway, by disguising CAPI as the Fossil, Int 14, or Packet
Driver interface, all of which are supported by Kermit.  Examples:

 . cFos is a shareware fossil driver for CAPI, written by Martin Winkler &
   Christoph Lueders of Bonn, Germany.  It is available via anonymous ftp
   from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/network/isdn/cfos, or by dialup to the
   Zaphods BBS in Bonn: [phone].  It supports both the Fossil and
   Int 14 interfaces, and presents ISDN controls in the form of Hayes-like
   AT commands.

 . PAPI is free software, GNU Public License, providing a SLIP-class
   packet driver interface to a CAPI driver, written by Dietmar Friede,
   Friede Consulting, Munich (Muenchen), German <[e-mail]>.
   Available via ftpmail to ftp.germany.eu.net (send email to
   [e-mail] containing the word "help"), or by ftp
   directly from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Arcell B. Frazier <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
>you are using upon startup?

I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want?

        --Ken Pizzini

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Note the \v(ttyfd)  variable.  Is that what you are talking about?

Or are you just talking about "set line /dev/ttyp01" type commands?
If so, just dump it into your .kermrc

--------------------------- my .kermrc --------------------------------
set local off
set flow rts
set buffer 50000 50000
set win 0
set send pac 4096
set rec pac 4096
set window 3
set block 1
set file type bi
define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)

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With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when
running a script with TAKE?  I would like to use a script to
connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections,
but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the
proper primary DA response.  It just hangs with a "c" on the
screen.  (Primary DA request is CSI [ c).

I would appreciate help with this.

Thanks.

-Tom





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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3996di$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Tom Mayo)
writes:
> With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when
> running a script with TAKE?
>
As the lawyers say, "asked and answered".  About once per day on this
newsgroup.  Again:

  If the terminal emulator is active, the command parser is not active.
  If the command parser is active, the terminal emulator is not active.

You would not want it any other way, at least not if you cared about
speed in the terminal emulator.

> I would like to use a script to
> connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections,
> but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the
> proper primary DA response.  It just hangs with a "c" on the
> screen.  (Primary DA request is CSI [ c).
>
Just read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, section
18, Script Programming.

- Frank

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4th Dimension ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi,

: Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities
: while working in kermit.

: Examples For UNIX platforms will be appreciates.

:           Thanks in advance,

:                Itamar


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[e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
>Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities
>while working in kermit.
>
>Examples will be appreciates.

;
;Thanks to Jason Merrill <[e-mail]> for this
;define to add zmodem protocol transfers. Add it to your mskermit.ini.
define rz run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 rz \%1 \%2,
define sz run dsz F ha both est 0 14400 pB4096 sz \%1 \%2,
define t run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 t \%1 \%2,

Keith
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My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we
have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous
wonders.

1.  My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while
in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does
this.  Is using verbs the only way?  Also, we'd like to know if
there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and
execute a Kermit command (of any kind).

2.  I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session.
When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back
to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely
screwed up.  The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and
do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go
back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen
saver or something to refresh the screen.

3.  Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the
screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to.

Thanks,
Andy

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Andrew J. Korty) writes:
> My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we
> have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous
> wonders.
>
> 1.  My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while
> in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does
> this.  Is using verbs the only way?  Also, we'd like to know if
> there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and
> execute a Kermit command (of any kind).

    Check the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" whose
details are given on the Kermit HELP screen and the *.UPD files issued
since then. You can assign a Kermit macro as the definition of a key.
The macro can do anything you could say at the Kermit prompt, including
issue SET TERM commands. Syntax is   SET KEY keycode {\Kmacroname}
and the \K must be inside the curly braces.

> 2.  I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session.
> When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back
> to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely
> screwed up.  The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and
> do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go
> back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen
> saver or something to refresh the screen.

    It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor.
Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so
that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little
idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more,
however.

> 3.  Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the
> screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to.

    Maybe you mean the opposite here. Hosts can request 80 or 132
columns from VTxxx terminals, nothing more. Kermit obeys those requests.
Perhaps you mean that Kermit can tell the host its current screen size
upon request, which is true. There is no "auto-detect" in this arrangement,
by either host or terminal emulator. Kermit can also report screen size
in Telnet Options packets, if the host agrees to do so.
    Joe D.

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Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with
PCMCIA cards?  They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file
but they seem to be trouble.  Is it just that the people I've met
don't have their card installed properly?  Is there something about
these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem?

--

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Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if
off-line and the connection time when on-line.

Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ?  Any
sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be
pathched to reset the timer.

This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our
'phone bills !

Julian.
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I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts.

Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
to the remote side?

Thanks -- Jason

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jason Venner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts.
>
>Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
>Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
>to the remote side?

set term byte 8

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Cards
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In article <39c0c0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Smith) writes:
> Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with
> PCMCIA cards?  They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file
> but they seem to be trouble.  Is it just that the people I've met
> don't have their card installed properly?  Is there something about
> these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem?
----------
    No, those little guys aren't specifically mentioned because we
lack any useful information to offer (translation: I have no laptop. $$$)
Folks will have to struggle to load the proper mysterious drivers to handle
the plug-in card and hope for the best.
        I can imagine anything requiring user intervention will cause
difficulties to tech support persons, but the proper channel for help with
such cards is probably the card mfr or the laptop maker. The task is to
make the card look like a proper serial port (or Ethernet adapter, etc)
and that's the purpose of those drivers. Only afterward does Kermit come
into the picture.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jason Venner) writes:
>
> I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts.
>
> Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
> Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
> to the remote side?
>
> Thanks -- Jason
---------
    There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how
Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing,
it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at
all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is
wierd this way.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Julian Daley) writes:
> Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if
> off-line and the connection time when on-line.
>
> Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ?  Any
> sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be
> pathched to reset the timer.
>
> This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our
> 'phone bills !
-------
    No timer, thanks. Suggest you use the portable, low maintainence,
compact, arm mounted (or even the table top model) time mechanism.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Dale Gombert)
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Help! We have several dozen users now familiar with ProComm Plus on PCs,
and they routinely transfer ASCII and binary files with a PRIME computer.
Our TMS-3 Renex communication controller will only recognize M71, but our
internal kermit protocol only works with N81. We would like to be able to
set our ProComm Pluses to enable this transfer. Email responses would be
perfectly welcome, in preference to Usenet.


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Echoing modem responses
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

| In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
| writes:
| > How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script?
| >
| Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is:

|   SET TAKE ECHO ON
|   SET TAKE-ECHO ON

| etc.  If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is:

|   SET DIAL DISPLAY ON

| MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with
| the modem.

| Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using
| C-Kermit" for complete details.

| - Frank

    Thanks.

    I have C-Kermit 5A.  I also have your book "Using C-Kermit".
    (Very good book.)

    Jim.


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[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Stickler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help!
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I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD)
with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify
a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any
case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis
throughput.

Could someone suggest a possible solution, or perhaps some other UNIX
terminal emulator that supports kermit at fast speeds?

Any help will be greately appreciated.

Thanks,

===============================================================================
  Patrick Stickler                             Information Group
  Senior Computer Systems Engineer             Martin Marietta Corporation
  stickler@.gate.net                           Orlando, Florida 32825 U.S.A.
===============================================================================



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From: [e-mail] (Sten Drescher)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it?
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To: [e-mail] (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen)
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    I've cobbled together a termcap entry for mskermit 3.13.  I'd
welcome any improvements to it.

--- cut here ---
K7|mskermit313|vt300|vt320|Kermit 3.13 emulation of vt320:\
        :am:da:db:es:hs:mi:ms:xn:xo:bs:pt:\
        :co#80:li#24:kn#3:\
        :AL=\E[%dL:DC=\E[%dP:DL=\E[%dM:DO=\E[%dB:IC=\E[%d@:\
        :LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:ae=^O:al=\E[L:as=^N:\
        :cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[;H\E[2J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\
        :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:ct=\E[3g:dc=\E[P:dl=\E[M:\
        :ds=\E[2$~\r\E[1$}\E[K\E[0$}\E[1$~:ei=\E[4l:fs=\E[0$}:\
        :ho=\E[H:im=\E[4h:\
        :is=\E[?1;3;5l\E[20l\E[?7h\E[12h\E[r\E[24;1H:k1=\EOP:\
        :k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:k6=\E[17~:k7=\E[18~:\
        :k8=\E[19~:k9=\E[20~:kb=\b:kd=\EOB:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\
        :kh=\E[H:kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ku=\EOA:l1=pf1:\
        :l2=pf2:l3=pf3:l4=pf4:nd=\E[C:r1=\E[?3l:\
        :r2=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:rc=\E8:\
        :rf=/usr/lib/tabset/vt100:sc=\E7:se=\E[27m:so=\E[7m:\
        :sr=\EM:st=\EH:ts=\E[2$~\E[1$}\E[1;%dH:ue=\E[24m:\
        :up=\E[A:us=\E[4m:vb=\E[?5h\E[?5l:ve=\E[?25h:\
        :vi=\E[?25l:vs=\E[?25h:ko=dl,ho,al:
--- cut here ---

    I hope this helps.
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From: [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically"
Date: 1 Nov 1994 12:12:31 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Dale R. Worley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command?
>So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing
>ATDT to the modem.

Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text
files in the MSKERMIT .zip file.

>And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?  Or is
>the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books?

They quite freely admit that the books help finance the KERMIT project.
And there's nothing wrong with that -- it's a wonderful free program,
which you can learn more about (and help support) by buying their books.

marshall

>Dale
>
>Dale Worley        Dept. of Math., MIT        [e-mail]
>--
>Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell?


--
[Marshall G. Flax -- 718-256-3482 -- 8776 16th Ave #2, Brooklyn, NY 11214-5802]

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Levin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1
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    I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a
kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems
like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere,
and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect
to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have
kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a
compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source
distribution?  Please email me at [e-mail]. Thanks.

Mike Levin

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Michael Levin ([e-mail]) wrote:

:     I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a
: kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems
: like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere,
: and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect
: to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have
: kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a
: compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source
: distribution?  Please email me at [e-mail]. Thanks.

You can get the latest (still test) version of kermit from the following
URL:

ftp://kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.gz
ftp://kermit.columbia/edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.Z

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs
Date: 6 Nov 1994 17:10:11 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Andrew J. Korty) writes:
>> My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we
>> have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous
>> wonders.
>>
>> 2.  I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session.
>> When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back
>> to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely
>> screwed up.  The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and
>> do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go
>> back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen
>> saver or something to refresh the screen.
>
>    It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor.
>Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so
>that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little
>idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more,
>however.


The problem is that by using 132 column mode you have put the display
hardware into a state which OS/2 does not understand.  Try the following:
Start a full screen DOS session.  Then execute the command "SVGA ON".
If the SVGA command cannot be found, change to the \OS2 directory of your
boot drive.  This command builds a table of each video mode so that OS/2
can safely restore switch back and forth when full screen programs directly
manipulate the screen size.

x
x
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x
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Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Tom Bowden)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Windows version of Kermit??
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS
>Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test.  It is not a native
>Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window.

>Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
>mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta.

PFMJI, but there is something I've wondered about MS-Kermit and Windows:
Since you include a kermit.pif in the MS-Kermit package, why don't you
include a kermit.ico?  The one in /kermit/a/wkkico.boo would do very nicely.

--
Tom Bowden in Atlanta
[e-mail]


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In article <395stv$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
   Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text
   files in the MSKERMIT .zip file.

It would have been more useful if you'd mentioned what the command is
("DO DIAL number") and what file it is documented in (KERMIT.UPD).
Saying that the documentation is somewhere in the Kermit directory is
almost useless -- MS-DOS doesn't come with a grep that can handle
wildcards.

Dale

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From: [e-mail] (John Pezzano)
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Subject: Re: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help!
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Patrick Stickler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD)
: with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify
: a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any
: case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis
: throughput.

READ YOUR MODEM MANUAL. There is no such thing as a 14.4 speed between a
modem and the computer. Valid speeds are ... 9600, 19200, 38400, 57600 ...

The 14.4 is modem to modem only. The modem, if its DTE speed is fixed,
will handle the translation speeds between its effective modem to modem
connection speed and the speed you use to communicate to the computer.

You will probably get the same answer from your SUN tech support. And
they will know the fastest speed you can set the computer port to.
--
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                                 John  Pezzano, HP NARC
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In article <39eb19$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe
Smith) wrote:

>   >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing.
>   >
>   >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless
>   >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes
>   >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications
programming, there
>   >will not be much movement in this area.  Prospects in both areas, at
present,
>   >are dim.
>   >

Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple
years?  Why would anybody want to use kermit?  It's slow and error prone
plus a pain to use.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help!
Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:21:10 GMT
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In article <395qp6$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Patrick
Stickler) writes:
> I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0,
BSD)
> with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify
> a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any
> case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis
> throughput.
>
The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(189), with 5A(190) to be released
any day now.

C-Kermit should let you SET SPEED to any speed that is supported by the
underlying tty driver.  In the case of SunOS, 14400 is not one of the
supported speeds.  But you can use 19200 or 38400.  You can't use 57600.
Solaris supports a wider range of speeds.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-11 Ready for Testing
Date: 7 Nov 1994 16:39:36 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of 11:15am EST, Monday, 7 November 1994:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-10 include:

 . Correction of RTS/CTS flow control problems that were introduced in
   Beta-10.

 . Addition of full Japanese character-ser support in terminal emulation:

   a) Additional character sets:
    JIS-Katanaka    (JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#13)
    JIS-Roman    (JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#14)

   b) Additional choices in SET TERMINAL OUTPUT-SHIFT (for keyboarding
      of different Kanji character sets):

    JIS7-Kanji, EUC-Kanji, and DEC-Kanji.

        JIS7-Kanji can take the following modifers:
      JIS83-US (default)
      JIS83-Roman
      JIS83-75Roman
      JIS78-US
      JIS78-Roman
      JIS78-75Roman

   NOTE: This item still needs a bit more work, and should be fully
   operational in the next Beta edit.

 . Correction of some subtle bugs in screen management which were evident
   on Japanese DOS machines.

 . Pointer safety check added in the BOOTP client routine to ensure
   trouble does not occur if a BOOTP server fails to send a terminal token
   (255) in the response packet.

 . One more quick-action routine in file transfer code to react to loss of
   modem CD as soon as possible, primarily for BBS operators.

 . Two bugs corrected in the Wyse-50 terminal emulation, relating to
   setting of bold/dim/reverse visual attributes and to using a full 132
   column screen.

 . Begin packing the executable files to save space on distribution
   media.  This is the /EXEPACK option in LINK, not PKZIP or similar.

Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik of Utah State University for this work,
and also to Hirofumi Fujii of the Japan National Laboratory of High Energy
Physics for the Kanji work, and for noticing and fixing some subtle bugs
in the general screen management area.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to [e-mail].

- Frank

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Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
|>
|> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple
|> years?  Why would anybody want to use kermit?  It's slow and error prone
|> plus a pain to use.

I can't offer an opinion on the Mac version.  But as a general statement
you are wrong.  We use Kermit as the recommended communications software
at Queen's for our PC users.  It is not slow, it certainly isn't error
prone, and as for being a pain to use, wrong again.  Kermit has a very
complete scripting language that made it possible for us to develop
homegrown login scripts for our University's dial-in services.  This
lets us conceal a myriad of idiosyncracies related to our mainframe,
PACX, telnet servers, etc.

Why would anybody want to use Kermit?  Because it does the job, works
on all of our systems, is well-documented and supported, and incredibly,
is free.

--

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 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Dale R. Worley)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut) writes:
   >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?

   It comes with a *lot* of documentation.  The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD
   file are both sets of documentation.  If you issue a HELP at the Kermit
   prompt, you get more information.  While you are typing in a comment,
   but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will
   magically get help for that command.

Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're
hellishly organized.  The DIAL command, the second most important
feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the
obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes"
file for some incomprehensible reason.  Since one expects DIAL to have
been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the
release notes for it.

And what is "KERMIT.BWR"?  Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling
Water Reactor.  Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out
loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files.

The HELP command will give you pages of details about "SET BIT-MANGLE
FROG-MODE", but there is no simple menu of the half-dozen commands
that everybody needs.  (Unlike every other terminal emulator I've ever
seen.)

And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current
directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find
its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears.  (I don't
know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is
bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.)

Dale

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Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my
scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be
nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically"
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dale R.
Worley) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Udut)
> writes:
> >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation?
>
>    It comes with a *lot* of documentation.  The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD
>    file are both sets of documentation.  If you issue a HELP at the Kermit
>    prompt, you get more information.  While you are typing in a comment,
>    but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will
>    magically get help for that command.
>
> Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're
> hellishly organized.  The DIAL command, the second most important
> feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the
> obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes"
> file for some incomprehensible reason.  Since one expects DIAL to have
> been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the
> release notes for it.
>
But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See
KERMIT.UPD".  So it should not be that hard to figure out.

> And what is "KERMIT.BWR"?  Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling
> Water Reactor.  Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out
> loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files.
>
For the historical-minded, Kermit was first developed in the early 80s when
DEC was in its heyday, and every university had a DEC-10 or DEC-20 or a
VAX.  DEC software releases always included a "beware file", with file
type .BWR.  The idea was to get peoples' attention when something went
wrong, and everybody knew to "look in the BWR file" before reporting bugs,
etc.  Those days are over, of course, and perhaps it would it be more
intuitive (at least to newsgroup readers) to call them .FAQ files, but
then we'd have to recast them all in question-and-answer form, like in
Jeopardy, to avoid the inevitable rash of complaints.  But, given limited
resources and time, and an infinite amount of demand, this settles to a
rather low rung on the priority ladder.

The simple fact is that Kermit, like a great deal of other software, comes
with a manual, and then some other files to supplement the manual, either
in the form of updates, or technical hints and tips.  Unlike a lot of this
other software, however, it also comes with a brief help file listing all
the commands.  I don't think this is something to complain about.

> And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current
> directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find
> its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears.  (I don't
> know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is
> bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.)
>
Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary
files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory
you start it from.  What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of
your disks?  The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple:
Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your
DOS PATH.  See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file.

The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the
software but don't want to consult the manual.  We don't get a lot of
complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT?
Date: 7 Nov 1994 22:26:13 GMT
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In article <39lv9v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Adam H.
Lewenberg) writes:
>
> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my
> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be
> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg
>
It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this.  However,
you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like
this (courtesy of James Sturdevant):

define minput set alarm \%1,-
:top,-
if alarm end 1,-
input 1 \%2,if success asg mynput 1,if success end 0,-
if not def \%3 goto top,reinp 0 \%3,if succ asg mynput 2,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%4 goto top,reinp 0 \%4,if succ asg mynput 3,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%5 goto top,reinp 0 \%5,if succ asg mynput 4,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%6 goto top,reinp 0 \%6,if succ asg mynput 5,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%7 goto top,reinp 0 \%7,if succ asg mynput 6,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%8 goto top,reinp 0 \%8,if succ asg mynput 7,if succ end 0,-
if not def \%9 goto top,reinp 0 \%9,if succ asg mynput 8,if succ end 0,-
goto top

and then use it like this:


    minput 60 CONNECT ERROR {NO CARRIER} BUSY RING
    if fail errfail {No response from the modem}
    if eq \v(program) C-Kermit asg mynput \v(minput)
    goto CASE_\m(mynput)

- Frank

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Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the
C-Kermit source files?

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit
Date: 8 Nov 1994 00:00:10 GMT
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.941106143639.22421D-100000@blue> "Archimedes L.
Trajano" <[e-mail]> writes:
> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the
> C-Kermit source files?
>
Maybe, but why bother?  It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except
for some of the script programming features.  With some care, it is quite
possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS
Kermit and C-Kermit.  I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really,
when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so
MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding.

For comparison, look at OS/2 C-Kermit, the closest C-Kermit counterpart
to MS-DOS Kermit.  The 16-bit executable is 500K, and the 32-bit one is
680K.  Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite
a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and
addressability are at a premium.

If somebody should really want to adapt C-Kermit to DOS, however, it should
be a mere matter of filling in some communications and file access primitives
and writing a terminal emulator.  And hooking in to the various networking
APIs, if you can find them.  Etc etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Arcell B. Frazier)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Barry Tolnas) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Arcell B. Frazier) writes:
>
> >   Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
> >   you are using upon startup?
> >
> >   Fast Cart
>
> set line /dev/whatever
>
>
> Barry

But, "whatever" changes whenever I log in.  Understand?  I want something that
will know what line I'm using...

Fast Cart
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You wrote:
In article <398rgf$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini) writes:
> Arcell B. Frazier <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever"
> >you are using upon startup?
>
> I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want?
>
>         --Ken Pizzini

I found that on the C-kermit protocol we use, (from '89) /dev/tty is always
default at 1200 bps.  I want to be able to "set line /dev/whatever" whenever I
start C-kermit because I'm not always using the same tty.

Fast Cart
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From: [e-mail] (Arcell B. Frazier)
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Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys
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You wrote:
In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>     There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how
> Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing,
> it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at
> all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is
> wierd this way.
>     Joe D.

He is right.  I had this problem.  What I did was to set key for just about
all of the Alt keys.  You can email me and I'll send you what I have...

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In article <39mf2a$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite
>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and
>addressability are at a premium.

    Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is).  Shareware
    authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in
    assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages:  A
    program that's small and fast.  There's no compiler in the world
    that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer.  IMHO, well-
    written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Kari E. Hurtta)
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Subject: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes)
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MS-DOS Kermit respons to query
    CSI ? Ps $ p
with response
    CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y

According of my another docomentation response of this should be
    CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y

(MS-Kermit's  documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
 but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.)

Comments?
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT?
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In article <39m9i5$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

>In article <39lv9v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Adam H.
>Lewenberg) writes:
>>
>> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my
>> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be
>> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg

    Yes, this was the command I was thinking of, that time I posted to
    ask if the next release of MS-Kermit would have more of the script
    commands that C-Kermit has.  I stumbled across it in the C-Kerm
    docs, and thought "What a valuable tool for login scripts!"  Then I
    couldn't find it again.  This command does me no good in C-Kerm,
    which I use only as a remote, but would be seriously valuable in
    MSK!

>It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this.

    :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(  :(

>                                                               However,
>you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like
>this (courtesy of James Sturdevant):

    [macro and example of how to use it deleted]

    Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a
    premium for some of us.  I tend to use take files more, and save
    memory for key settings and screen rollback.

    Anyway, if you can't, you can't.  But I'd be interested in this
    feature, too.

                        Jeff

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In article <39nbr2$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Kari E. Hurtta) writes:
>
>MS-DOS Kermit responds to query
>    CSI ? Ps $ p
>with response
>    CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
>According of my another docomentation response of this should be
>    CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y
>
>(MS-Kermit's  documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
> but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.)
>
>- Kari E. Hurtta
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I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair
DECRQM and DECRPM.

In the Digital documentation "VT330/VT340 Programmer Reference Manual,
Volume 1: Text Programming" (EK-VT3XX-TP-001) on page 238 we find

    MODE SETTINGS (VT300 mode only)

    Request Mode          DECRQM      CSI Pa $ p
                                      Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2)

                                      CSI ? Pd $ p
                                      Pa =  DEC private mode (see table 12-3)

    Report Mode           DECRPM      CSI Pa;Ps $ y
                                      Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2)

                                      Ps = mode state
                                       0 = unknown mode
                                       1 = set
                                       2 = reset
                                       3 = permanently set
                                       4 = permanently reset


    Set Mode              SM          CSI Pa; ...Pa h
                                      Pa = ANSI mode(s)

                                      CSI ? Pd; ...Pd h
                                      Pd =  DEC private mode(s)

    Reset Mode            RM          CSI Pa; ...Pa l
                                      Pa = ANSI mode(s)

                                      CSI ? Pd; ...Pd l
                                      Pd =  DEC private mode(s)


(Notes:  the CSI is hexadecimal 9B in 8-bit communication, or
         the sequence <Escape> [   in 7-bit communication.

         Pa, Ps, and Pd are variable parameters.

         The "l" in the above RM command is a lowercase "L".

         Spaces in the description are for clarity and are not transmitted.)

So one form of the response is appropriate for ANSI/ISO standardized
modes, and the other form for DEC proprietary modes.

Are you saying that MS-Kermit is generating the ANSI/ISO-mode response
to the DEC-mode query?

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From: [e-mail] (Dale R. Worley)
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In article <39m861$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
   But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See
   KERMIT.UPD".  So it should not be that hard to figure out.

Hmmm...  Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from
watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP
server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention
the DIAL command in passing at one point.

   Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary
   files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory
   you start it from.  What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of
   your disks?

Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software.
You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything
assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT.

   The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple:
   Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your
   DOS PATH.  See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file.

Yes, but I have Kermit 3.13, and the READ.ME doesn't warn you that you
have to modify your PATH.  I will grant that it does tell you to read
KERMIT.HLP, but that is a little long for installation instructions.

   The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the
   software but don't want to consult the manual.  We don't get a lot of
   complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual.

If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
local software store and buy Procomm.

Dale

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically"
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dale R.
Worley) writes:
> Hmmm...  Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from
> watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP
> server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention
> the DIAL command in passing at one point.
>
My comments were in reference to version 3.14.  I think you will find a
lot of improvements in version 3.14 over 3.13.

> If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
> local software store and buy Procomm.
>
A noble attitude.  In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual,
you expect real human people to work for you, for free.  To develop
software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for
free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it.  Please, go
buy Procomm.

- Frank

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Does anybody know where I can get a copy of Kermit for ALPHA VMS ?

Gaz.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Richard Shuford) writes:
> In article <39nbr2$[e-mail]>,
>    [e-mail] (Kari E. Hurtta) writes:
>>
>>MS-DOS Kermit responds to query
>>    CSI ? Ps $ p
>>with response
>>    CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
>>According of my another docomentation response of this should be
>>    CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y
>>
>>(MS-Kermit's  documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y
>> but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.)
>>
>>- Kari E. Hurtta
>>  [e-mail]
>>  {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi
>
> I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair
> DECRQM and DECRPM.
----------
    Kari is correct. A question mark was omitted from the DEC-specific
report. I've corrected that (and in msvibm.vt) here this morning and the
results will appear in the next beta of MSK.
    Thanks,
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dale R. Worley) writes:
> In article <39m861$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>    But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See
>    KERMIT.UPD".  So it should not be that hard to figure out.
>
> Hmmm...  Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from
> watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP
> server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention
> the DIAL command in passing at one point.
>
>    Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary
>    files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory
>    you start it from.  What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of
>    your disks?
>
> Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software.
> You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything
> assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT.
> If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
> local software store and buy Procomm.

    But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to
talk to the developers.

    DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix
won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the
program is built to look in its startup directory. The latter "feature"
can be implemented under current versions of DOS but only with trepedition
from a non-tree directory system (all those letters, SUBST, network drive
mappings, all the things which make it nearly impossible to know a
directory as a real directory).
     Joe D.

> Dale Worley        Dept. of Math., MIT        [e-mail]

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Kermit for OpenVMS/AXP can be found on kermit.columbia.edu,
directory kermit/test/ and its subdirectories.  Begin by
getting the file kermit/test/ckvaaa.hlp and reading it.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
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(Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...)

In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Hurwit <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <39mf2a$[e-mail]>,
>Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite
>>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and
>>addressability are at a premium.
>
>    Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is).  Shareware
>    authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in
>    assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages:  A
>    program that's small and fast.  There's no compiler in the world
>    that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer.  IMHO, well-
>    written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for.

The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms
are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary
limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming.
Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a
mediocre programmer, in most cases.  In the optimize-for-speed relm it
is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the
resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to
be critical.

Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed,
not space.  If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge.
If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some
unnecessary bells and whistles.

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Jacques Marcoux)
Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions.
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>>>>> "phinely" == phinely  <[e-mail]> babbles:
In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:


    phinely> In article <39eb19$[e-mail]>,
    phinely> [e-mail] (Joe Smith) wrote:

    >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing.  >
    >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it,
    >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a
    >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh
    >> communications
    phinely> programming, there
    >> >will not be much movement in this area.  Prospects in both
    >> areas, at
    phinely> present,
    >> >are dim.  >

    phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in
    phinely> cyberspace for a couple years?  Why would anybody want to
    phinely> use kermit?  It's slow and error prone plus a pain to
    phinely> use.

Glad you asked

Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote
site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why  do you think the guy
is asking for improvement?




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>>>>> "phinely" == phinely  <[e-mail]> babbles:
In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] writes:


    phinely> In article <39eb19$[e-mail]>,
    phinely> [e-mail] (Joe Smith) wrote:

    >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing.  >
    >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it,
    >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a
    >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh
    >> communications
    phinely> programming, there
    >> >will not be much movement in this area.  Prospects in both
    >> areas, at
    phinely> present,
    >> >are dim.  >

    phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in
    phinely> cyberspace for a couple years?  Why would anybody want to
    phinely> use kermit?  It's slow and error prone plus a pain to
    phinely> use.

Glad you asked

Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote
site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys
is asking for improvment?




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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit
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In article <39omj0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini) writes:
> (Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...)
>
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Jeffrey Hurwit <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <39mf2a$[e-mail]>,
>>Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>
>>>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite
>>>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and
>>>addressability are at a premium.
>>
>>    Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is).  Shareware
>>    authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in
>>    assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages:  A
>>    program that's small and fast.  There's no compiler in the world
>>    that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer.  IMHO, well-
>>    written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for.
>
> The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms
> are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary
> limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming.
> Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a
> mediocre programmer, in most cases.  In the optimize-for-speed relm it
> is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the
> resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to
> be critical.
>
> Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed,
> not space.  If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge.
> If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some
> unnecessary bells and whistles.
------------
    May I end this thread as a person with some experience in both
assembler and C?
    There is no way C can beat decent assembler. All those push/pops
and stack references (that's touching real memory folks) kill performance.
Programs beyond the hobbyist level aren't designed and written by undoing
C code to assembler; far from it. They are designed differently from the
ground up.
    I doubt many readers here have any idea of what is involved using
C without all the helpful crutches provided by the compiler vendor. Remove
the startup routines, and the run time libraries, and mix in near and far
code and data, add interrupt routines. That will do for openers. It's not
at all like programming "Hello World\n". Yet this occurs in MS-DOS Kermit
which is 80% assembler and which uses C for the TCP/IP stack, and that's
run partly at interrupt level and never as a "main" program. There is
no main() nor any vendor libraries etc. And I wish your last phrase were
true, sigh.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Leila Burrell-Davis)
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Dale R. Worley ([e-mail]) wrote:
% Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're
% hellishly organized.  The DIAL command, the second most important
% feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the
% obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes"
% file for some incomprehensible reason.  Since one expects DIAL to have
% been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the
% release notes for it.

I know it's frustrating when you can't get software to work, but I
really do think you should modify your tone when asking for help. I'm
astonished at how patient people have been in replying to your
queries given the way that you phrase them.

Leila
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From: [e-mail] (Dale R. Worley)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
   > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
   > local software store and buy Procomm.

   But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to
   talk to the developers.

So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful.  I've made one
request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a
terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use
it." and the developers have replied "We don't care."

And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support.  And
the developers do listen to what customers complain about.

   DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix
   won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the
   program is built to look in its startup directory.

You just compile the correct directory into the executable.  It works
quite reliably.

Dale

Dale Worley        Dept. of Math., MIT        [e-mail]
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(Yeah, like having to write 80x86 assembler code!)

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In article <39oaco$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Dale R.
>Worley) writes:
>> If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my
>> local software store and buy Procomm.
>>
>A noble attitude.  In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual,
>you expect real human people to work for you, for free.  To develop
>software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for
>free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it.  Please, go
>buy Procomm.
>
>- Frank

Well said, Frank!

--Mike Ciaraldi
  University of Rochester


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In article <[e-mail]>,
Dale R. Worley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful.  I've made one
>request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a
>terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use
>it." and the developers have replied "We don't care."


The "we don't care." are your words not Frank's, not Joe's, and not mine.
We do care.  However, we also do have limited time.  3.14 is still in Beta.
There is a ways to go yet.  Be patient.

Frank and Joe commented in previous messages about your claim that DIAL was
not documented anywhere.  They correctly pointed out that you were wrong.
Granted, with a several hundred page book, and several update files there is
 a lot to read.  But this is *free* software (until you buy the manual.)

>And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support.  And
>the developers do listen to what customers complain about.

Hate to tell you.  Tech support is a far cry from talking to the developers.
Sure Tech Support may be able to tell you where to find the DIAL command
in the docs, but in most cases they can't help you with the real world of
non-PC to PC based communication.

>
>   DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix
>   won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the
>   program is built to look in its startup directory.
>
>You just compile the correct directory into the executable.  It works
>quite reliably.

Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable?
This is nuts.  Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit?

C:\KERMIT
D:\KERMIT
F:\MSK
C:\BIN\COMM\MSK

how are we supposed to know where you keep your files?

Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but
where are the initialization files.  Many people use separate directories
of init files in order to preserve separate configurations.  Maybe for
a laptop on the LAN vs. a laptop connected to the LAN via a remote dialup.

You can't hard code directory names.  Sorry.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Jason Venner)
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The answer to this question is:

set command bytesize 8

Thanks to Ken Pizzini <[e-mail]> for the answer.

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From: [e-mail] (Ed Falk)
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Subject: pointer to kermit protocol spec?
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Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec?  It
would be ever so much easier than reading source code.

ADVthanxANCE,
--
        -ed falk, sun microsystems
         [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Nov  9 19:46:33 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
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In article <39eco1$[e-mail]>,
Ken Pizzini <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Jason Venner <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts.
>>
>>Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
>>Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
>>to the remote side?
>
>set term byte 8

This was only a partial answer.  He also needed to
  set command bytesize 8

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Eric S Johansson)
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In <[e-mail]>, Joe Doupnik writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jason Venner) writes:
>> Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key.
>> Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through
>> to the remote side?
>>
>    There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how
>Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing,
>it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at
>all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is
>wierd this way.
>    Joe D.

well, in days long past, in RMS land, there were systems with
"meta" key as well as a "hyper" key.  if I remember correctly,
"meta" did add 0x80 to each char.

--- eric
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From: [e-mail] (David Watson)
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Subject: How to tell Kermit I have a sun-cmd screen?
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I run Linux on my 486 and so I have XView and the openwin screens
which I have become quite accustomed to.  But Kermit doesn't understand
them and I have to use the vt100 terminal screen when I use Kermit.

How can I tell Kermit that I have sun-cmd screens?

Many thanks for any help.
--
Dave Watson                          Internet: [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
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In article <39qhs2$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] wrote:

>Hi,
>Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from
>kermit.columbia.edu.
>These do not seem to be executables.

    Are you sure you're getting the right file-- kermit/test/bin/
    mstibm.zip?  Your executables are right after the readme:

Archive:  mstibm.zip
 Length  Method   Size  Ratio   Date    Time   CRC-32     Name ("^" ==> case
 ------  ------   ----  -----   ----    ----   ------     ----   conversion)
  10577  Implode   4473  58%  10-30-94  15:59  b99272a2  ^read.me
 228152  Implode 146491  36%  11-07-94  10:40  cbf6f11f  ^kermit.exe <===
 158290  Implode 102723  35%  11-07-94  10:40  533ef169  ^kermite.exe <===
 103274  Implode  66358  36%  11-07-94  10:40  f94fd286  ^kerlite.exe <===

>                                    Am I supposed to compile the
>binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where
>mskermit 3.13 is now.

    Neither.  There's nothing to compile-- the executables are ready to
    run.  You may want to work over the INItialization and script
    files, depending on how you use Kermit.

    Since this is a beta, it would probably be better if you were to
    create a separate directory for 3.14, rather than just dumping the
    files in (and overwriting files already in) the directory where you
    have 3.13.

>                       Also before I bother upgrading,  if the server
>I conncet to, my University,  does not upgrade its version of Kermit
>on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you

    That all depends on what features you want the most.  If the Kermit
    on your host is so old that it doesn't support sliding windows,
    long packets, control character unprefixing, or uses the old
    terminalR/terminalS instead of the newer APC, the new Kermit won't
    help all that much.  However, if you want the new script commands,
    character sets, etc., then get 3.14.

    I can't speak for other platforms, but if your account is on a Unix
    host and you have the space in your quota, it's not too hard to get
    the sources for C-Kermit 190 and build your own copy.  (If space
    *is* a problem, gzexe compresses the executable very nicely to
    about 1/2 original size.)  IMO the new crash recovery feature alone
    is worth the effort, and if your host's Kermit doesn't have the
    other features previously mentioned, so much more the reason.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (gillespie)
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Subject: HELP!
Date: 10 Nov 1994 01:41:11 GMT
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So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1
and can even look and see that they are there.  I found a handout
at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into
using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle.  Here I
sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out
how to send files to my PC.  I tried the send command with one of the
files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file
I was asking for didn't exist.  However, after using the "ls" command
at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed.  Where am
I going wrong.  If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading
files please do!

Wally Gillespie

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <39qhs2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () writes:
> Hi,
> Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from
> kermit.columbia.edu.
> These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the
> binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where
> mskermit 3.13 is now.  Also before I bother upgrading,  if the server
> I conncet to, my University,  does not upgrade its version of Kermit
> on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you
----------
    Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is
not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement
then follow instructions in that message.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit
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In article <39r47t$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Craig Oberg)
 writes:
> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>
>>In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.941106143639.22421D-100000@blue> "Archimedes L.
>>Trajano" <[e-mail]> writes:
>>> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the
>>> C-Kermit source files?
>>>
>>Maybe, but why bother?  It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except
>>for some of the script programming features.  With some care, it is quite
>>possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS
>>Kermit and C-Kermit.  I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really,
>>when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so
>>MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding.
>
> For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important
> features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the
> C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible
> (except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a
> way to  link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit
> version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not
> possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's
> scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I
> would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability
> of MS-kermit  scripts.
----------
    I'm sorry, but MSK and CK are not code compatible at all.
The command parsers which you like so much are extremely complicated
sets of code in each program, and they are very different. There will
be operations in one which are either awkward to implement in the
other or just can't be because of internal design considerations.
We try to make the two behave similarly, but there are limits on
program effects as well as person time involved (and I want to
emphasize that this means a *lot* of concentrated effort).
    I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't
trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then
we don't have any idea of what's important to you.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jack E. Warner)
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My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory):

    set line /dev/ph1
    set speed 9600
    set <something else>
    log session
    dial 0000000
    connect

How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial
until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this
program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing
red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect.

Please send response to [e-mail]
Thanks,
Jack.


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In article <39rtnn$[e-mail]>,
gillespie ([e-mail]) wrote:

>So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1
>and can even look and see that they are there.  I found a handout
>at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into
>using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle.  Here I
>sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out
>how to send files to my PC.  I tried the send command with one of the
>files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file
>I was asking for didn't exist.  However, after using the "ls" command
>at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed.  Where am
>I going wrong.  If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading
>files please do!

    I can think of only one remote possibility (even more remote,
    considering that you got ftp to work): You are aware, aren't you,
    that the Unix system on which you have your account is case
    sensitive?  Because it is, so is the Kermit running on it.  You
    have to type in the file name *exactly* as it appears in the "ls"
    listing, after the send command.  Unlike with DOS, filename,
    Filename, and FILENAME are different names for different files.

    Other than this guess, I haven't a clue, and I'm sorry if I've told
    you something so basic as to sound insulting.

                        Jeff

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We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's
ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some
PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet.
So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT
(I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been
written that use kermit's telnet all along)
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: pointer to kermit protocol spec?
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In article <39p7r5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ed Falk) writes:
> Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec?  It
> would be ever so much easier than reading source code.
-----------
    Sure, no problem. Purchase the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol"
by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, Digital Press (or used to be, Frank?),
about $35. It's the formal spec doc to that time. Further extensions are
on kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit directory heirarchy.
    I have two large grad classes using this book as one of two books.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT
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In article <39kmo6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (PM Wong) writes:
> We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's
> ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some
> PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet.
> So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT
> (I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been
> written that use kermit's telnet all along)
----------
    I replied to this privately but here is a summary.
    FTP Inc's ODIPKT has a license detection feature in ARP which
prevents Kermit or other non-FTP program from accessing ARP packets
over their ODIPKT. Both FTP's stack and Kermit will run over Harvard's
ODIPKT, but never together.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Mark S. Zinzow)
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Subject: Re: if busy hangup and try again ...
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[e-mail] (Jack E. Warner) writes:
>My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory):

>    set line /dev/ph1
>    set speed 9600
>    set <something else>
>    log session
>    dial 0000000
>    connect

>How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial
>until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this
>program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing
>red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect.

>Please send response to [e-mail]
>Thanks,
>Jack.

RTFM.  Kermit has a powerful script language.  Look at the CCSO Kermit doc
in gopher for a full page of references, or ftp to watsun.cc.columbia.edu.
Many sample scripts are disctributed with MS-DOS kermit that will do what you
want.  A trivial one would be:
:dial-loop
out ATDT xxx-xxxx\13
in 45 BUSY
if suc goto dial-loop
echo Not Busy, so I assume we're connected!

You can define this as a macro, or a take-file.

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT
Date: 10 Nov 1994 13:36:22 -0500
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In article <39kmo6$[e-mail]>, PM Wong <[e-mail]> wrote:
:We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's
:ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some
:PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet.
:So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT
:(I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been
:written that use kermit's telnet all along)


It'll work, but I don't understand why you would want to do this.
Kermit can directly interface with odi packets (has been able to since
v3.12 or was that 3.11?)  Anyway, just do a set tcp packet odi instead
of using the packet driver intrupt.

However, if you're still hell bent on using PCTCP's odipkt, then yes,
it will run over that too...

        --Jerry

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions.
Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:47:32 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:
: Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple
: years?  Why would anybody want to use kermit?

Unequalled emulation, built-in Tektronix support (in the DOS version),
and free.

> It's slow

My own tests indicate very close to the theoretical maximum.  Transfer
rates are typically 97% to 106% of Zmodem.  Have you found something
much faster than Zmodem?

: and error prone

I go weeks at a time without an error.  Please elaborate.

: plus a pain to use.

Ah, no GUI.

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Isn't kermit available on the Alpha Freeware CD?



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From: [e-mail] (Kari E. Hurtta)
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

;>   DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix
;>   won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the
;>   program is built to look in its startup directory.
;>
;>You just compile the correct directory into the executable.  It works
;>quite reliably.

;Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable?
;This is nuts.  Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit?

;C:\KERMIT
;D:\KERMIT
;F:\MSK
;C:\BIN\COMM\MSK

;how are we supposed to know where you keep your files?

I have impression, that in MS-DOS 3 (or was it 3.2?) or newer full path from
where program was started is accessible to program.

;Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but
;where are the initialization files.  Many people use separate directories

Yes. This is another case, perhaps some environment variable is good
in this case.

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From: [e-mail] (davis robert)
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Subject: S...l...o...w C-Kermit File Transfers.  What's wrong?
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This afternoon, I hooked up a 14,400 baud modem to my UNIX box, set
the line being used to 19,200 bps (the modem's manual suggests setting
the speed between the modem and computer to 19,200 bps) in inittab and
set C-Kermit's speed to 19,200 bps.  Although everything else, such as
viewing files on the screen, reading news, etc., is faster, when I
attempt to transfer any files, the file transfer is about as slow as
it was as 1,200 bps!  Am I doing someting wrong, or is kermit supposed
to transfer files this slowly?  It took almost 4 minutes to
transfer a 25K uncompressed text file.

Thanks very much for any information that anyone can provide about
what, if anything, is wrong here.


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From: [e-mail]
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jacques Marcoux) writes:
>>>>>> "phinely" == phinely  <[e-mail]> babbles:
> In article <[e-mail]>
> [e-mail] writes:
>
>
>     phinely> In article <39eb19$[e-mail]>,
>     phinely> [e-mail] (Joe Smith) wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote
> site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys
> is asking for improvment?
>

Slow?  I'm getting about 2300cps w/ a 14.4k modem using compression--if
this is slow (I upgraded from a 2400), somebody please tell me what I
need to do to increase the speed.  As for errors, the only time I get
*any* errors is if I forget to set filetype binary on both ends before
a non-text transfer.

For those of you who might know how to make my transfer speed increase,
but need particulars, my *.ini reads:

set send pack 4096
ser receive pack 4096
set block 3
set window 2
set retry 63

The terminal server that I connect to suports transfer rates as high
as 38400, but no higher (KU is planning on upgrading its servers.)

Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though.
Also, I use a high retry number because my link will sometimes hang
for an extended period (not kermit's fault) and start kermit's retry
sequence (which has timed out before.)

Thanks for any help, and good luck to the poster on getting improved
performance.

Troy Smith

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From: [e-mail]
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Hi, all.

    I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486.  It will run
DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit
to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.)  There is a native
version of Kermit available for this OS, but I'd rather not tie myself to
a proprietary implementation of the standard.  Will one of the VMS
versions of C-Kermit work with this OS?  If so, which one, and how
difficult will it be to set up?

Thanks for any answers, even negative ones.

Troy Smith

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: Help With Transfer Rate
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Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious?  Here's what's
going on:

I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection.  On the
host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4.  With the
following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least
that's what the status bar on MSK says).

MS-Kermit               C-Kermit
set flow none           set flow none
set windows 3           set windows 3
set send pack 5000      set send pack 5000
set rec pack 5000       set rec pack 5000
                        set file display none
                        set file names literal

However, when I run C-Kermit from my Linux box I don't get anywhere
near the same performance.  FYI, the two machines are right next to
each other, and have the same hardware (actually, they may have
different ethernet cards).  I connect to the same host.  The .mykermit
file on the local machine looks the same as the above C-Kermit one
except that the file display line reads ``set file display crt''.  I
found that fullscreen did indeed slow it down a lot, and that there
wasn't much difference between crt and serial, and that the improvement
over none wasn't so significant that I wanted to give up knowing how
the file transfer was going.  (Yes, I got all of this from the C-Kermit
book--a must get!).

So, am I doing something wrong?  Is the report generated by MSK wrong,
and I should really look at the host's `stat' report?  Is there
something that I should be setting since I'm going from C-Kermit to
C-Kermit?  Am I so illiterate that I totally missed something in the
book?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

        --Jerry

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Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT?
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Jeffrey Hurwit ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <39m9i5$[e-mail]>,
: Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: >In article <39lv9v$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Adam H.
: >Lewenberg) writes:
: >>
: >> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my
: >> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be
: >> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg

:     [macro and example of how to use it deleted]

:     Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a
:     premium for some of us.  I tend to use take files more, and save
:     memory for key settings and screen rollback.
Well, there is no reason that you can't put the text into a take file and
then define minput to take the take file.  Macros are no more than memory
resident take files.

JamesS

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Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit
for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it?

Also, is the source code available?  Is it in 'C'?  Will it run on my ICL
DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work?  (Nearing in mind I have
minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to).

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 12 21:12:39 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
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Subject: Why does Kermit freeze up on me?
Date: 12 Nov 1994 21:12:39 GMT
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I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 beta 11, and it's been nice being able to help
Kermit's progression in any way.  However, I have a problem that's been
around since at least beta-4.  Sometimes when I'm online to here at
Columbia things freeze up.  By accident I discovered that when I go into
command mode and type 'show modem' or run a DOS program or whatever, the
RD light on my modem snaps on again, and all's well with the world.  For
a while this was happening a lot; I thought it went away, but it happened
again a couple times today.

Any ideas?  I haven't been able to reproduce the problem myself, but when
it happens the 'show modem' method works every time.
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 12 21:14:22 1994
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I should also point out that I'm running MS-Kermit on an old Tandy XT
clone and an Intel 144/144e external 14.4k modem.  Nothing's changed at
all configurationwise since when I was using 3.13, and I don't think this
happened then.


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From [e-mail] Wed Nov  9 09:21:46 1994
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We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass
via Int 14.
Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the
DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or
PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script)
We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out.
Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout
of the unix host ?

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From: [e-mail] (Craig Oberg)
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.941106143639.22421D-100000@blue> "Archimedes L.
>Trajano" <[e-mail]> writes:
>> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the
>> C-Kermit source files?
>>
>Maybe, but why bother?  It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except
>for some of the script programming features.  With some care, it is quite
>possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS
>Kermit and C-Kermit.  I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really,
>when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so
>MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding.

For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important
features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the
C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible
(except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a
way to  link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit
version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not
possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's
scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I
would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability
of MS-kermit  scripts.

Craig Oberg
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Hi,
Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from
kermit.columbia.edu.
These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the
binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where
mskermit 3.13 is now.  Also before I bother upgrading,  if the server
I conncet to, my University,  does not upgrade its version of Kermit
on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you


From [e-mail] Sat Nov 12 23:19:32 1994
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't
>trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then
>we don't have any idea of what's important to you.
One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone
can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to
offer.  In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the
unneeded features.  The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions
that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my
own decisions as to what should be included or not.

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From [e-mail] Sun Nov 13 04:16:31 1994
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>We have to manually press ^] and then type c to ... exit to DOS...

I don't know if there's a way to "automate" an exit to DOS, but alt-x
should work.

[e-mail]

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Ok.  I'm confused then.  Thanks.

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Hi,
    Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx.
I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY
DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its
substitutes.
    I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication?
Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit?


                 Ran

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TNGLASS does not tell Kermit when the connection is broken, so Kermit
can't pop back to the prompt automatically.  In fact, Kermit does not
even know it's a TELNET connection.  Kermit's internal TCP/IP TELNET
implementation does exactly what you want, and goes faster and does
more things, but you can't run it at the same time as PC/TCP.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <39qhs2$[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from
>kermit.columbia.edu.
>These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the
>binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where
>mskermit 3.13 is now.  Also before I bother upgrading,  if the server
>I conncet to, my University,  does not upgrade its version of Kermit
>on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you
>
It sounds like what you are really asking is, where can I get a newer
version of MS-DOS Kermit?

MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is in Beta test.  The "draft" distribution diskette
image is in a ZIP file, including the executables:

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin,
binary mode, file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch to preserve the
directory structure, read the top-level READ.ME file for installation
instructions.

- Frank


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Dale R. Worley ([e-mail]) wrote:
: You just compile the correct directory into the executable.  It works
: quite reliably.

I *hate* programs with the directory compiled into the executable.

    1.   The "correct directory" is inevitably under the root
         directory, so the root directory listing is huge.  I
         prefer to group applications by type.
        2.   Ever try to share an application across a network that
             demands to run from "C:\EGOTIST" and to find all of its
             configuration files there?  We have rejected several
         software packages for this very reason.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Scott Mordecai <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit
>for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it?
>
kermit.columbia.edu.

The latest version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14 Beta, directory kermit/test/bin,
binary mode, file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.

>Also, is the source code available?  Is it in 'C'?  Will it run on my ICL
>DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work?  (Nearing in mind I have
>minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to).
>
Aren't those UNIX machines?  Then just run C-Kermit on them.  I sounds like
you would be surprised to find out that Kermit programs are already written
to run on most kinds of computers and operating systems.

C-Kermit 5A(190) is on the same host, directory kermit/f.  Get the file
ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.

- Frank

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Subject: Kermit Scripts
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    I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and
it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am
search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt
1) startup kermit and dial a phone number
2) keep redialing if busy
3) once connected enter a username that I will provide.
4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide.
5) enter the line "slip default"
6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use
NCSA's telnet

Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip
connection.

    I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you
                        Carlos


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)
Date: 13 Nov 1994 19:38:59 GMT
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As of 13 November 1994, C-Kermit 5A(190) is installed for real on
kermit.columbia.edu, replacing the previous version, 5A(189) of 30 June
1993.  This is the Kermit software for UNIX (all varieties), VMS, OS/2,
Stratus VOS, AOS/VS, OS-9, the Macintosh, the Commodore Amiga, and the
Atari ST.  Highlights of the new version are:

 . File transfer recovery from point of failure (binary-mode transfers
   only): UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, VOS, Amiga.

 . Massive improvements in the OS/2 version.

 . Totally new and full-featured implementations for QNX and Stratus VOS.

 . Support for many new OS releases: Solaris 2.3, AIX 4.1, Unixware 1.1,
   new releases of Linux, {Free,Net,etc}BSD, OpenVMS 6.x, etc etc...

 . Auto-upload/download/configuration/anything-else via APC mechanism:
   UNIX, VMS, OS/2.

 . Numerous improvements in performance, script programming, client/server
   protocol, character sets, file transfer display, dialing, etc.

C-Kermit 5A(190) is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu,
directory kermit/f (NOT kermit/b), also known as kermit/c-kermit, and
several other directories, as follows:

  kermit/f (= kermit/c-kermit) - FTP all files in text mode:
    Source code;
    Documentation files (.hlp, .nr, .upd, .bwr, .doc, etc);
    Initialization and script files (.ini, .kdd, .ksd, etc);
    ASCII-binaries except for VMS, UNIX, and OS/2:
      ckd190.uue - DG AOS/VS
      ckiker.boo - Amiga
      cklker.h68 - VOS 680x0
      cklker.h86 - VOS i860
      ckm190.hqx - Macintosh
      cksker.boo - Atari ST
      cksncp.boo - Atari ST (small version)

  kermit/bin - FTP all files in binary mode (except READ.ME):
    True binaries for UNIX, VMS, etc.  See the READ.ME for details.

  kermit/vmshex - FTP in text mode:
    VMS C-Kermit binaries in hex format, together with the decoding
    program, ckvdeh.mar.  See the READ.ME file for details.

  kermit/archives - FTP in binary mode unless otherwise indicated:
    cku190.tar.Z  - Compressed tar of C-Kermit source code & other files.
    cku190.tar.gz - Gzip'd tar of C-Kermit source code & other files.
    ckvsrc.hex    - (TEXT mode) VMS C-Kermit source BACKUP saveset.
    cko190.zip    - OS/2 C-Kermit distribution diskette image.

See kermit/f/ckc190.ann for a detailed list of changes in 5A(190).
See kermit/f/cko190.ann for new features of the OS/2 version.
For overviews of specific versions, see:

  kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp - General C-Kermit overview
  kermit/f/ckdaaa.hlp - AOS/VS
  kermit/f/ckiaaa.hlp - Amiga
  kermit/f/cklaaa.hlp - Stratus VOS
  kermit/f/ckoaaa.hlp - OS/2
  kermit/f/ckuaaa.hlp - UNIX
  kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp - VMS

The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants
to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember
that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort.
Call [phone] to order, or send email to [e-mail] for
further info.  A German-language edition is also available.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With Transfer Rate
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In article <3a1q67$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>
> Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious?  Here's what's
> going on:
>
> I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection.  On the
> host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4.  With the
> following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least
> that's what the status bar on MSK says).
>
> MS-Kermit               C-Kermit
> set flow none           set flow none
> set windows 3           set windows 3
> set send pack 5000      set send pack 5000
> set rec pack 5000       set rec pack 5000
>                         set file display none
>                         set file names literal
--------
    Something is not what it should be Jerry. 8.5K cps over Telnet is
far below what I see under similar circumstances. Between MSK and C Kermit
on a DEC Alpha I get around 85K cps, MSK to CK on a 386-33 Unix machine I
get around 28K cps. 486-66 DX/2 machine for the MSK part.
    Suggestions are to upgrade the C Kermit side to 5A (190) where
significant speed improvments have occurred, and to have a careful look
at your Ethernet system to see if packets are being dropped. Note that
MSK has a 4KB TCP buffer so Kermit packets smaller than this are a more
natural fit (only a minor effect). I use 2KB packets and 4 window slots.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem
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In article <39q4ba$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (PM Wong) writes:
> We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass
> via Int 14.
> Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the
> DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or
> PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script)
> We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out.
> Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout
> of the unix host ?
---------------
    The interface provided by tnglass is the standard Bios Int 14h
for serial ports, and that lacks the notion of session status. Hence
Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's
own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is
true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack.
    The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which
is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>    I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't
>>trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then
>>we don't have any idea of what's important to you.
> One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone
> can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to
> offer.  In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the
> unneeded features.  The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions
> that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my
> own decisions as to what should be included or not.
>
> --
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------------
    We publlish the source code so you then have all the items at your
disposal for tailoring. Be aware that the patch file works only on the
executables issued from Columbia.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts
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In article <3a5m7l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes:
>     I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and
> it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am
> search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt
> 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number
> 2) keep redialing if busy
> 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide.
> 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide.
> 5) enter the line "slip default"
> 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use
> NCSA's telnet
>
> Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip
> connection.
>
>     I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you
>                         Carlos
>
---------
    Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the
lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through
hoops with ours to help you run theirs.
    May I make two serious suggestions?
    1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your
own scripts.
    2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things.
    Joe D.

From [e-mail] Sun Nov 13 06:49:03 1994
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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Pseudo-VMS C-Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>     I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486.  It will run
> DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit
> to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.)

Hmm. I haven't had any trouble with MS-Kermit under TSX-Lite. However, I am
using an antique version MS-Kermit: 3.11. (Hi, Joe!)

>  Will one of the VMS
> versions of C-Kermit work with this OS?  If so, which one, and how
> difficult will it be to set up?

I don't think you'll have much luck with the VMS version of C-Kermit.
Although the OSes are conceptually similar, they are also quite different.

Your best bet for now would be to try to figure out why MS-Kermit won't work
on your system. I can ship you a copy of the 3.11 executable that I have been
using under TSX-Lite. I suppose I could also download the newer version so
that more people are working on the problem...
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From [e-mail] Sun Nov 13 23:19:54 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts
Date: 13 Nov 1994 23:19:54 GMT
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In article <3a5m7l$[e-mail]>,
Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use
>NCSA's telnet

This is the third time in a month that I have seen someone ask:

"How can I use Kermit so that I can use NCSA's telnet?"

Question:  Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet
provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide?

Much appreciated.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

From [e-mail] Sun Nov 13 23:30:48 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock
Subject: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible?
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Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Greg Seibert)
Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Chermesh Ran <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Hi,
>    Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx.
>I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY
>DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its
>substitutes.
>    I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication?
>Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit?
>
>
>                 Ran
>
>--
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>URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN

And he's not even on AOL !!!
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From: [e-mail] (Craig Nordin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix
Subject: Re: S...l...o...w C-Kermit File Transfers. What's wrong?
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Heres my .kermrc file, this should make C-Kermit happy.  You'll
do even better if you tune your local kermit accordingly.

With a little tuning you can get almost the same throughput as zmodem.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
set local off
set flow rts
set buffer 50000 50000
set win 0
set send pac 4096
set rec pac 4096
set window 3
set block 1
set file type bi
define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sb !sb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rb !rb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sx !sx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rx !rx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------



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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
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[e-mail] (Chermesh Ran) writes:

>    I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication?
>Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit?

I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore,
on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit.
Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work.

Roland Kwee   <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail] (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3a5m7l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes:
: >     I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and
: > it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am
: > search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt
: > 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number
: > 2) keep redialing if busy
: > 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide.
: > 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide.
: > 5) enter the line "slip default"
: > 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use
: > NCSA's telnet
: >
: > Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip
: > connection.
: >
: >     I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you
: >                         Carlos
: >
: ---------
:     Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the
: lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through
: hoops with ours to help you run theirs.
    Not really many hopes but the in general I didn't seem to find
much insight on using kermit for slip. Yes I did see the article with the
docs.
    I wanted to complain I would do so. BTW this wasn't a complaint
if your ego is too fragile to handle it sorry. But it was a request for
information.

:     May I make two serious suggestions?
:     1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your
: own scripts.
I have read the manual and have gotten a small feel for kermit scripting
but I would not consider myself a pro at this and I am sure there many
people out there who are very good at this.Ergo instead of trying a hack
at it myself I figure I wouldn't post a to a news groups that would
know better. If you don't proclaim to know better keep you comments to
yourself!:
    2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things.
:     Joe D.

To this all I can say is I use what works. First I want to get a
something working that works and I know. The tinker with something new. I
am sure you would agree it's better to have a old car in working order
than a new Cadillac (or what have you) sitting in the garage requiring
you to figure the firing order for it. Regardless I do plan to
evidentually move to ms-dos kermit.
    "It's better, amongst other things." Lacks any evidence or
support if you care to support you claims please do so. I am eager to
hear about it's better benefits afterall being new to Kermit some insight
you be beneficial.
    LAST OF ALL. What the point of this news group if not to answer
the questions and queries of the less knowledgable.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 Ready
Date: 15 Nov 1994 00:03:56 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of about 5pm EST, 14 November 1994.

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-11 include:

- Additional RTS/CTS and SET CARRIER ON fixes and enforcement.  Heavy
  testing needed (more of it...)

- Kanji terminal emulation completed.  Use MS-DOS Kermit on regular IBM PCs
  with EGA or VGA or higher and DOS/V to read Kanji (fj.*) newsgroups, access
  the Nikkei Telecom database, use other host-based Kanji applications like
  e-mail, etc.  Transfer Kanji text files between PC and host without garbling
  the characters (Shift-JIS to JIS conversion), etc.  Many thanks to Hirofumi
  Fujii for this work.

- Cyrillic font fixed; "e" is no longer displayed as "c" (thanks to Yossi Gil
  at the Technion for getting this fixed so promptly).  Russian keyboard
  drivers (thanks to Dimitri Vulis) and documentation added.  If you have an
  8-bit-clean host-based newsreader, simply type "cyrillic" at the MS-Kermit>
  prompt, and then browse the relcom.* newsgroups (assumes postings are in
  KOI8, but Kermit can also handle ISO 8859-5 and Short KOI).  See
  CYRILLIC\READ.ME for details.

- Compose u-circumflex fixed (required reading in Canada :-)

- SET KEY capacity increased to 269 key definitions, 256 string definitions,
  and 2000 bytes of string space.

- WPGGOLD.COM added, an alternative to GOLD.COM, allowing Num Lock to
  be used as a regular key with its own unique scan code (\325).  VT300.INI
  updated to account for this scan code.  Thanks to Novell's new WordPerfect
  Division for this contribution.

- EMACS.INI added: key mappings for EMACS users, primarily allowing the
  Alt key to be used as the EMACS Meta key.

Thanks, as ever, to Joe Doupnik for his skillful work and for integrating the
work of the others acknowledged above.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to [e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Soren Aalto)
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In article <3a67j8$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:

>Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
>like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
>looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
>winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
>below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
>same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.

Well, I've thought about this one, and I'd have to say that the
blunt answer is no.

I am working on some things like this--you'd have to go the route
of running Winsock over a packet driver & then using a shim
like pktmux to split off virtual packet drivers.  I suppose you
could run slp16550 or etherppp packet drivers outside of Windows.
Otherwise you'd have to write an implementation of SLIP or PPP
that communicates with some kind of TSR stub in the System VM
that makes it look like the packets from the dial-up connection
are comming out of a packet driver.

In short, this is pretty yecchy.

Soren


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Mordecai)
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>        Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is
>not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement
>then follow instructions in that message.

Any idea how far away this will be?

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3a6nmm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Roland Kwee) writes:
> [e-mail] (Chermesh Ran) writes:
>
>>    I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication?
>>Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit?
>
> I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore,
> on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit.
> Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work.
>
> Roland Kwee   <[e-mail]>
------------
    Greg Seibert @ lynx.com points out that the "lynx" above refers to a
WWW browser. That's hardly the business Kermit programs are in.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions.
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In article <1994Nov14.075525.33863@miavx1>, [e-mail] (Kent Covert) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though.
>
> Actually, I think that the Mac version of Kermit reports this incorrectly.
> I've never seen the Mac version report anything higher than 1 also.  But,
> if you issue the STATUS command on the server after a transfer, you'll
> usually find that the server reports using more than 1.
>
-----------
    You are both right, but maybe not for the reasons you think.
    With Columbia Kermits the receiver shows how many packets have
been recognized as packets and are being processed. If packets arrive
in order with none missing then one at a time is processed as bytes are
read from the comms channel; we see one window slot in use. Other bytes
may still be in the comms channel (includes receiver's port buffer) but
not yet parsed as a packet.
    If a packet is damaged or really missing then the out of
order packets are recognized and stashed away while the receiver still
tries to find the desired (but missing) packet. Then the number of
window slots in use grows. Kermit uses "selective repeat" sliding windows
so only the missing packet(s) needs to be retransmitted.
    The status command should show the number of window slots
available, rather than just the number used. But I have no Mac to see
what's what on it. MS-DOS Kermit shows the "active out of available"
number on the formatted file transfer display.
    The transmitter is given permission to send all window slots
worth of packets. It does so, but between each it takes a very quick
peek at the comms channel to see if enough bytes have arrived to
constitute a possible acknowledgment. If there are enough then it is
read and processed on the fly. Thus the transmitter may show many (two
or more) window slots in use even under ideal conditions as it waits for
ACKs from the other side.
    Quiz Friday. Homework: what might a receiver say about a missing
packet? Hint: as little as possible, but...
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Degregorio)
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Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for
IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations.  If they don't exist can any one help
me with creating them. Thanks.

                Brian Degregorio
                [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Daniel S. Lewart)
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I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully
up to and including 3.14/Beta-11.  However, Beta-12 doesn't connect.
The redirectors I use are:
    FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3
    NCSA NET14.EXE

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
[e-mail]

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In article <3a5m7l$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin" writes:

>        I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and
>it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am
>search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt
>1) startup kermit and dial a phone number
>2) keep redialing if busy
The DIAL command already does this
>3) once connected enter a username that I will provide.
>4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide.
>5) enter the line "slip default"
I've altered the DIAL so that the last field is NOT a comment but the name
of the SCRIPT file which is run AFTER the DIAL has finished.
>6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use
>NCSA's telnet
Since you are using MS-Kermit to dial up WHY do you need to use a different
telnet program? MS-Kermit has a very good one already!
Mike
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From: [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem
Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

> In article <39q4ba$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (PM Wong) writes:
> > Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the
> > DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or
> > PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script)
(..)
> Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's
> own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is
> true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack.
>     The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which
> is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work).

Putting
    connect
    quit
in your ini-file, makes Alt-X behave like 'end session & quit'. If you
always use the same command to log out from your host, say 'exit' you
also can try a sequence like:
    connect
    output exit\13
    quit

very handy for 'canned' sessions.

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In article <3ac9vg$[e-mail]>, Ralphe Neill
([e-mail]) wrote:

>Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in
>comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing
>from the cku190.tar.gz archive.

    Huh???  I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was
    in it, including the makefile.  Everything seemed to be fine--
    built a working Kermit with no problems.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (David Chou)
Subject: Kermit 3.14 beta 10 hangs
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 03:39:26 GMT
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I am experiencing periodic hangs with the latest version of MS-Kermit
with garbage.  I have seen this on two processors which have little in
common except that both have 16550 serial UARTS.  One board is a 386/33
AMI Mark II based system; the second is a 90MHz Pentium AMI board.  Both
have had the problem when junk is received.  The problem is cleared throug
the alt-= reset function in Kermit.

Dave Chou

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation
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In article <3aa9bl$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian Degregorio) writes:
> Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for
> IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations.  If they don't exist can any one help
> me with creating them. Thanks.
>
>                 Brian Degregorio
>                 [e-mail]
------------
    Terminal emulation doesn't work via .ini files, as you probably
know. There is no support for either of the terminals above, unless they
happen to emulate one of the text terminals already present in MS-DOS Kermit:
VT320/220/102/100/52, Heath-19, Data General D470/D463, Wyse-50, Honeywell
VIP7809, Prime PT200. Adding a new terminal type is generally a fairly
serious undertaking, not to mention a memory consumer.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ralphe Neill)
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Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in comp.protocols.kermit.announce -
the makefile appears to be missing from the cku190.tar.gz archive.

Sorry for the posting but mail to Frank da Cruz is bouncing.

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From: [e-mail] (Ralphe Neill)
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>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:

>>In article <3ac9vg$[e-mail]>, Ralphe Neill
>>([e-mail]) wrote:

>>>Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in
>>>comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing
>>>from the cku190.tar.gz archive.

>>    Huh???  I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was
>>    in it, including the makefile.  Everything seemed to be fine--
>>    built a working Kermit with no problems.

I have re-FTP'd it and the archive is, indeed, complete. Don't ask me
what went wrong with the first copy because I have no idea! Apologies
if I have misled anybody ...

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:
> I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully
> up to and including 3.14/Beta-11.  However, Beta-12 doesn't connect.
> The redirectors I use are:
>     FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3
>     NCSA NET14.EXE
>
> Thank you,
> Daniel Lewart
> [e-mail]
---------------
    Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before
and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using
MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly.
    Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work
at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the
active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have
SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel S. Lewart)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection
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[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>    Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before
> and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using
> MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly.

Yes.  My redirectors are FTP 2.3 TNGLASS and NCSA 2.3.08 NET14.
MS-Kermit 3.13 and 3.14/Beta-N, where N <= 11, work with both of them.
3.14/Beta-12 connects, but the screen stays blank with both of them.

>    Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work
> at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the
> active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have
> SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF).

I have kermit.exe (3.14/Beta-12), mskermit.ini (below is a stripped-
down version), and msvibm.exe (3.13) all in the current directory.
My commands with the FTP stack are as follows:
    tnglass myhost -e msvibm
    tnglass myhost -e kermit

The first works; the second fails.

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
[e-mail]
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set port bios1                          ; Int 14H redirection
if not < version 314 set carrier off    ; Default anyway
connect
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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Subject: Kermit Script for Creatix Modem
Date: 17 Nov 1994 08:41:03 GMT
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Has anybody made a script for the Creatix modem (Version SG144, maybe an
earlier version might work as well)? This modem seems to be quite popular
in Germany.
--
Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
Department of Education                       Phone :     [phone]
Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     [phone]
85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel S. Lewart)
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I am using MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-12, but this command-line completion bug
has been around for a while.  The following add extra stuff on the end:
    set parity e<Esc>
    set parity m<Esc>
    set parity n<Esc>
    set parity o<Esc>
    set parity s<Esc>
For example, "set parity n<Esc>" gives:
    set parity none (8-bit data)  _
This should be:
    set parity none_
where the underscore is the cursor.

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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[e-mail] (MDIHS) writes:

>Now how do I get backspace key on my DOS machine to actually backpace
>instead of printing ^D.  I'm on PC, MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12, VT320
>emulation.  I've never been able to get backspace to work with previous
>Kermits either, though I'm sure it's a very simple thing to do...
>It gets old ^Uing all of my command line mistakes.
>Thanks for any help.
>-mdi

The MSKERMIT.INI normally re-defines the backspace key (_bs) as \127, not as
\4 = ^D as in your case. You can easily experiment with key definitions by
entering "sh key" and "set key" from the MS-Kermit prompt. Maybe there
are good reasons for your ^D configuration of the backspace key. If your
remote computer runs UNIX, you can simply enter
  stty erase KEYSTROKE
with KEYSTROKE meaning, press your backspace key, and whatever its key
definition, it will then work correctly at the command line (without
changing the key's function in application programs).
--
Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: NCSA telnet vs Kermit (Was: Kermit Scripts)
Date: 17 Nov 1994 09:12:18 GMT
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:


>Question:  Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet
>provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide?

>Much appreciated.

I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from
serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the
moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice
with NCSA telnet.

The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are:

* Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that.
* ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote
       computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet
       session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC
       with Kermit (right?)

There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal
emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp,
Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It
can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for
MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of
multiple files on different computers.

Further comments?

Regards,
Peter
--
Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSTIBM.EXE and KERMIT.PIF
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ran Chermesh) writes:
> Hi,
>     I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the
> kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif,
> I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a
> MSTIBM.EXE file.
>     My qestions:
> 1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14?
> 2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE
------------
    First, I strongly suggest you go back to MSK v3.13 until v3.14
is released. The current beta period is for shaking out bugs, where
changes still occur, and the final bundle of distribution files is still
fluid. MSK 3.14 has not yet reached release (but will very soon).
    Second, the filename you reference is what Windows wants to run
when the icon is clicked. Choose a filename that's appropriate.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: NCSA telnet vs Kermit (Was: Kermit Scripts)
Date: 17 Nov 1994 15:13:54 GMT
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In article <3af6pi$[e-mail]>,
Peter Schmolck <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>
>>Question:  Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet
>>provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide?

>I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from
>serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the
>moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice
>with NCSA telnet.
>
>The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are:
>
>* Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that.

Understood.  This functionality is available in C-Kermit for OS/2 but not
MS-DOS Kermit.

>* ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote
>       computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet
>       session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC
>       with Kermit (right?)

Well, of course a server is required.  You just don't have to start it.
But if the server daemon (ftpd) is not running you won't be able to perform
any file transfers at all.  But of course you can't perform an anonymous
ftp with Kermit.  Most tcp/ip stacks come with an ftp program though.

However, for remote transfers from the PC, Kermit can always be placed in
Server mode.

>There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal
>emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp,
>Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It
>can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for
>MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of
>multiple files on different computers.

Correct.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

From [e-mail] Thu Nov 17 07:38:50 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Ran Chermesh)
Subject: Kermit 3.14, DOSLYNX and dialup
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:38:50 GMT
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Hi,
    Is it possible to run doslynx through kermit from a dialup connection?
Appreciate a reply.

            Ran

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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 17 07:37:16 1994
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Hi,
    I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the
kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif,
I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a
MSTIBM.EXE file.
    My qestions:
1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14?
2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE

            Ran

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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 17 20:07:19 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
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After checking $status after several C-Kermit sessions I realized
that the exit status ends up in ckermit_status.

I'm running 5A(190) BETA.17 for OpenVMS AXP (and also a similar
version on a VAX).

Is this the standard symbol for the result?  I couldn't find reference
to ckermit_status in the Using C-Kermit book anywhere.

    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 17 13:03:48 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Joseph E. Eisenmeier <[e-mail]>)
Subject: help w\ kermit send binary
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Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc?
I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup
kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by
show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas
 8 bit I'd have my choice of software).

anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted
too quick for me to see the error message.

email or post would be appreciated.

Joe


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I'm looking for the same thing...
But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I
can find it?
Thanks!

On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote:

> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
> winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.
>
> Les Mikesell
>   [e-mail]
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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>On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>
>> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
>> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
>> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
>> winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
>> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
>> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.
>>
>> Les Mikesell
>>   [e-mail]

A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not
protocol independent.  The best you could possibly hope for would be a
Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through
WinSock.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: help w\ kermit send binary
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joseph E. Eisenmeier <jeeisenm> <jeeisenm> wrote:
>Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc?
>I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup
>kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by
>show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas
> 8 bit I'd have my choice of software).
>
>anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted
>too quick for me to see the error message.
>

What software are you using on the PC side of the connection?

If you are not using MS-DOS Kermit, I would suggest that you do.  Many other
software packages that claim Kermit protocol support are very selective
about which parts of the protocol definition they implement.

We need more info to help.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
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"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

From [e-mail] Fri Nov 18 01:12:51 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Les Moss)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jay Ennis) writes:

>Does anyone know where I might find a specification for Zmodem?  Is it even
>written down?

I don't believe there is one (Nothing like the Kermit Protocol Manual, for
example). Most people implement it by porting the public domain code by
Forsberg available on many FTP sites.  You will find some written stuff by
Forsberg at those same sites, but it is not complete, you still need to read
the code.  Thats all I found for my implementation (written from scratch for
non-C environment).

Tim Kientzle ([e-mail]) is currently writing a book which should
be a complete ZModem spec.  Hopefully, that will be available soon.  (I
reviewed an early version of his spec and it sure would have helped me if I
had had it in the beginning of my implementation.)


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From: [e-mail] (Larson Keith Adams)
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I'm having real problems.  Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get
above 300cps.  Is the problem at the host (packet length set at
1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much
in the way of settings).  If any Kermit wizards out there could
mail me and help me speed this thing up, I would be grateful.

Keith
[e-mail]

ps...our system administrator is no help at all

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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.941118031532.9000A-100000@soleil>, Frank  O'Connor <[e-mail]> writes:
> I'm looking for the same thing...
> But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I
> can find it?
> Thanks!
>
> On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>
>> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
>> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
>> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
>> winsock interface.  I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver
>> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the
>> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock.
>>
>> Les Mikesell
>>   [e-mail]
------------
    The shim comes from me, Les. Dis_pkt9.zip in directory drivers
on netlab2.usu.edu, and this will also be in the MSK 3.14 distribution.
    Joe D.

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Anyone know where I could get a user's manual or possibly a FAQ for Kermit?
--
Gary S. Mortensen                                          [e-mail]
"You can't achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd." - Unknown
"If you know what you're doing, you're not learning anything." - Unknown

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Can anyone help?

I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32
to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with
my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two
to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary
problems would be greatly appreciatted.

Any replies or E-Mail on this subject gratefully recieved.

Thanks, Andrew

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads.
Date: 18 Nov 1994 10:02:48 -0800
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In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>,
Kevin Anthony Stanchfield <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through
>a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca.  The system at Cal Poly
>is a VAX.  I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files.  Even
>after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends.  My terminal is set to
>9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on
>port 2.  Can someone help?
>
>Thank You.
>
Since your terminal is set to 7N1, I assume that you do not have a full
8-bit path to your host.  I would surmise that neither of your Kermits
knows this.  Have you tried doing a

SET PARITY SPACE

on both ends before doing the binary transfers?  This has the effect
of telling the Kermits that the high-bit cannot be used for data and
that "8th-bit-quoting" must be used.  Hence, you'll get 8-bit data thru
your 7-bit data path.

Good luck!
--
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: [e-mail]
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... "Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, [e-mail] (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield) writes:
> I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through
> a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca.  The system at Cal Poly
> is a VAX.  I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files.  Even
> after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends.  My terminal is set to
> 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on
> port 2.  Can someone help?
>
> Thank You.
---------
    There was a bug in MSK 3.14 beta prior to 12, a side effect of
adding the "whatami" feature. The resulting transmission mode ended
up being text no matter what.
    May I suggest to testers that when you do find a bug please
try the current beta to see if it's been fixed.

    Items underway for the next beta:
    Certain operations with string substitution were confused when
\fname appears and the name isn't one of the \fxxx() functions. Fixed.
    Still questions on RTS/CTS, to be investigated this weekend.
    Set Parity blah<ESC> shows extra "(8 data bits)" tag. Yes, I
may change that.
    Joe D.

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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants
: to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember
: that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort.
: Call [phone] to order, or send email to [e-mail] for
: further info.  A German-language edition is also available.

But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-)
Here I sit, AmEx in hand...

Perhaps you meant to say:
          Tel.  [phone]

Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only.

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Clarence A Dold - [e-mail]
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: [e-mail] (william p fulmor)
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Hi-

Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid
for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu.  It's about 90K bigger
than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run,
insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected.

Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of
respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC.  Or did some
overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner.  Or, most
likely have I once again put my foot in it? <G>

Bill

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Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)
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In article <3ajd80$[e-mail]>, Clarence Dold <[e-mail]> writes:
> Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> : The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants
> : to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember
> : that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort.
> : Call [phone] to order, or send email to [e-mail] for
> : further info.  A German-language edition is also available.
>
> But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-)
> Here I sit, AmEx in hand...
>
> Perhaps you meant to say:
>           Tel.  [phone]
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------ correct.

> Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only.
    Rats. We can't win sometimes.
    Joe D.
> --
> ---
> Clarence A Dold - [e-mail]
>                 - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (william p fulmor) writes:
> Hi-
>
> Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid
> for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu.  It's about 90K bigger
> than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run,
> insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected.
>
> Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of
> respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC.  Or did some
> overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner.  Or, most
> likely have I once again put my foot in it? <G>
------------
    C Kermit builds to file "wermit" so you can rename it to a convenient
spelling later (without losing your older Kermit). "ls -l" tells all. This
C Kermit works ok on my Unix PC.
    Joe D.

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I think CKERMIT_STATUS contains the values listed on page 324 in table I-1.

scott
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Adam H. Lewenberg)
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Subject: C-kermit -ix and binary transfers (not working)
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I am having some trouble sending binary files from the UNIX machine at
school  to my OS/2 system at home. Here is what happens:

1. If I type kermit -ix, escape back to my OS/2 Ckermit, and then type
'get file.zip', my OS/2 C-kermit starts receiving the file but announces
that the FILE TYPE is "TEXT (no translation)". Huh?

2. If I start kermit with no command line options, type
'set file type binary' at the C-kermit prompt, type 'send file.zip',
escape back to the OS/2 C-kermit and then type 'receive' my OS/2
C-kermit recieves the file and tells me the FILE TYPE is BINARY.


Why does 2 work while 1 does not? Shouldn't the '-ix' force all file
transfers to be binary? I used to have NO trouble (before I installed
the current version of the Unix C-kermit).

The Unix C-kermit is

   C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x
    Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,

while the OS/2 kermit is

C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit
 Numeric: 501190

                        Thanks, Adam H. Leweneberg
                                          [e-mail]
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes:
> Hello,
>
>   I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet.
>
>   Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT.
>   (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL)
>
>   My problem is:
>   ----------------------------------------------------------------
>     MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28
>      Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ...
>
>      Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28
>      Unable to contact the host
>      The host may be down or a gateway may be needed
>   -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>   remark: I test
>           c:\> arp 131.195.1.28     o.k.
>           c:\> ping 131.195.1.28    o.k.
>           c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28     o.k.
>           c:\> SETHOST  ...         o.k.
>
>    Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ?
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Gilles Ratel
> Email: [e-mail]
-------------
    I'll guess you still have Pathworks running over TCP/IP when
you used Kermit.

    One may have only one protocol stack of a given kind running over a
board at one time.

    Try again without the Pathworks TCP/IP stack going, or run Kermit over
the top of Pathworks.
    Joe D.

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Hello,

  I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet.

  Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT.
  (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL)

  My problem is:
  ----------------------------------------------------------------
    MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28
     Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ...

     Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28
     Unable to contact the host
     The host may be down or a gateway may be needed
  -----------------------------------------------------------------

  remark: I test
          c:\> arp 131.195.1.28     o.k.
          c:\> ping 131.195.1.28    o.k.
          c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28     o.k.
          c:\> SETHOST  ...         o.k.

   Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ?


Thanks in advance,

Gilles Ratel
Email: [e-mail]

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Larson Keith Adams ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm having real problems.  Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get
: above 300cps.  Is the problem at the host (packet length set at
: 1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much
: in the way of settings).

You may have problems in both . The immediate problem is your WinComm
Pro . It is using 64 bit packes and 1 at a time . I would suggest getting
MS-Kermit . If WinComm Pro supports external protocols , follow the
instructions on how to do that . Otherwise use MS-Kermit as the
term program also.
--
Matt - Linux Help via e-mail

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: DEC VAX to home terminal problem
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In article <3akqj6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Can anyone help?
>
> I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32
> to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with
> my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two
> to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary
> problems would be greatly appreciatted.
---------
    Common maladies:
    Wrong parity, so the sides don't match (they must match)
    Insufficient flow control
    Specifying the wrong kind (Binary, Text) of file mode

    Please inform your VAX administrator that everyone would be
much better off if Kermit-32 were deleted and C Kermit 5A were
installed. See kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for ckv*.exe,
and cd kermit/b for all text files.
        I have no Macs, nor have I heard of "VICOM Connect."
    Joe D.

e NO trouble (before I installed
> the current version of the Unix C-kermit).
>
> The Unix C-kermit is
>
>    C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x
>     Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
>
> while the OS/2 kermit is
>
> C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit
>  Numeric: 501190
-----------
    I believe the release notes for C Kermit explain that the
client now controls file TYPE via the SET FILE TYPE command given
on the client. It's part of file attributes, named the "whatami"
component, where the client informs the server of its binary/text
state. It's a step forward, really.
    Joe D.

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Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop.
Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest
versions of Kermit have this already?
Dave.

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n

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In article <3ajmto$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Anthony Sexton) writes:
> Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop.
> Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest
> versions of Kermit have this already?
> Dave.
---------
    Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe
you want to create your own.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Brian F. Angus)
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In article <3aiudg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
says...

>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not
>protocol independent.  The best you could possibly hope for would be a
>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through
>WinSock.

Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP
functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering.
You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection
code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows
WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt.  The WINSOCK application
would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application.  This may
require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure.  I briefly looked into this but I
have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task.

Any takers.

Brian.

P.S. I was looking into this for Network DOOM.

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In article <3anvci$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brian F. Angus) writes:
>
>
> In article <3aiudg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> says...
>
>>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not
>>protocol independent.  The best you could possibly hope for would be a
>>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through
>>WinSock.
>
> Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP
> functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering.
> You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection
> code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows
> WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt.  The WINSOCK application
> would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application.  This may
> require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure.  I briefly looked into this but I
> have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task.
-------
    Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor
realistic.
    Joe D.

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>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor
>realistic.
>        Joe D.

Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the
winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead.
Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for
DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on
biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites).
The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet
drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations.

I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but
actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock
running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now.

PeterW

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Peter Waltenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>-------
>>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor
>>realistic.
>>        Joe D.
>
>Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the
>winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead.
>Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for
>DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on
>biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites).
>The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet
>drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations.
>
>I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but
>actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock
>running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now.
>

But this doesn't address the original need.

The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a
WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection
made with Windows for Workgroups.

In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the
real packet driver for the mux to sit on.

In the setup you describe there is no need to interface a virtual packet
driver with the WinSock API because the DOS session can talk with the
real packet driver.

In any case, the desired functionality is not available nor is it worth
creating.  The only thing that makes sense is a telnet redirector.



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Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS?

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Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit?  I can get Hebrew
characters on screen but only left-to-right.  The documentation I got was
not very helpful.  It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between
Kermit and HED (a nice little editor).  It doesn't explain _anything_ when
you get right down to it.

Any help appreciated.

Norman Miller


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In article <3ack7a$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (25 minutes late...) writes:
>
> Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS?
----------
    MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program, and it runs fine in an OS/2 DOS
box using communications facilities available to DOS programs. It works
with OS/2 to relinquish cpu time slices when nothing much is happening
and to economize on screen updating overhead.
    C Kermit for OS/2 is an OS/2 program which uses communications
facilities available to OS/2 programs.
    MSK 3.13 is the current formal release, with 3.14 being in the
last stages of beta testing. CK v5A(190) is the current C Kermit release.
    Joe D.

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In article <3aoh8b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Norman Miller) writes:
> Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit?  I can get Hebrew
> characters on screen but only left-to-right.  The documentation I got was
> not very helpful.  It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between
> Kermit and HED (a nice little editor).  It doesn't explain _anything_ when
> you get right down to it.
------------
    We need to understand precisely what you mean by "Hebrew Kermit."
MS-DOS Kermit is the vehicle delivering Kermit for Hebrew users of DOS
machines, and it works well that way. The user's manual, the book "Using
MS-DOS Kermit", discusses ways of using MSK with Hebrew hosts. The only
Kermit command which is specialized for this purpose is SET TERMINAL
DIRECTION (LEFT-TO-RIGHT, RIGHT-TO-LEFT); the rest is built upon regular
Kermit features.
    You did not mention which version of Kermit you are using, which
would have been helpful. May I suggest you look at the preliminary
documentation for the beta MSK 3.14, file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test
on kermit.columbia.edu. See the Hebrew subdirectory after you unpack
the file. Btw, "beta" means things change before release.
    I'm afraid that we can't help with HED since that's outside of
Kermit. Perhaps the attachment below has enough information to help.
    For quick general reference I'm going to bloat News with file
Hebrew.doc from the archive. Hopefully it will help others get started too.
    Joe D.
--------------
USING MS-DOS KERMIT TO DISPLAY, ENTER, AND TRANSFER HEBREW TEXT

    Frank da Cruz
    Academic Information Systems
    Columbia University
    E-Mail: [e-mail]
    April-October, 1994

Beginning with version 3.13 (July 1993), MS-DOS Kermit includes full support
for Hebrew text, including Hebrew terminal emulation for mixing Hebrew and
Roman characters when using host-based Hebrew software, and translation of
Hebrew character sets during file transfer.  Earlier MS-DOS Kermit releases do
not include Hebrew features.

This document assumes some familiarity with DOS and with MS-DOS Kermit.
References are listed at the end.

    This document explains how to use MS-DOS Kermit in Hebrew mode for
    interacting with other computers.  It does not address questions
    of Hebrew text processing within the PC environment itself.

WARNING: As of this writing, I have not been able to find a way to make the
techniques described in this document work in a Microsoft Windows window.  Even
though Kermit itself works perfectly in a window, Windows does not allow the
Hebrew font to be loaded.  Reportedly, Windows 3.1 ML (Multi-Lingual) supports
Hebrew, but perhaps not in a way that can be used by Kermit.  Thus, to use
Kermit's Hebrew features, you must run Kermit in DOS, or in a Windows
fullscreen session, but not in a window.

BACKGROUND: HEBREW CHARACTER SETS

There are several coded character sets that contain the Hebrew alphabet.  Each
of these sets uses a different encoding, and therefore they are all mutually
incompatible.  To interchange Hebrew text between two computers that use
different encodings, conversions must be done.  Kermit software makes these
conversions for you.  The character sets are:

ASCII - The American National Standard Code for Information Interchange.
  This is a 7-bit character set, incorporating 128 characters, of which 95 are
  "graphic" (printable) characters, and 17 are control characters such as
  carriage return, linefeed, etc.  It contains no Hebrew, but it is the basis
  for all the other character sets discussed here, unless noted otherwise.  It
  includes uppercase and lowercase Roman letters A-Z, digits 0-9, space, and
  various punctuation marks.

ISO 8859-8 - The Latin/Hebrew Alphabet.
  The international standard character set for Hebrew, adopted by the
  International Organization for Standardization (ISO), of which Israel is a
  member body.  It is an 8-bit character set, incorporating 256 characters, of
  which 137 are graphic characters, 65 are control characters, and 22 are
  undefined.  It includes ASCII, some additional punctuation, math, and
  currency symbols, plus the 22 Hebrew letters and 5 final forms.

IBM PC Code Page 862.
  Similar to Latin/Hebrew, but including many additional characters (line and
  box drawing, accented Roman letters, etc), and using different encoding.
  Used only on PCs.

IBM Mainframe Code Page 424.
  An 8-bit mainframe code, totally incompatible with ASCII and everything
  else, which contains approximately the same repertoire as Latin/Hebrew.

DEC Hebrew (or "Hebrew-7").
  A 7-bit character set, equivalent to ASCII, but with the lowercase Roman
  letters replaced by Hebrew letters.  Used to trick 7-bit applications and
  communication methods into handling Hebrew characters.

ADDING HEBREW FEATURES TO KERMIT

To use MS-DOS Kermit's Hebrew terminal emulation features, you must first load
a Hebrew code page into your PC.  "Code page" is IBM's term for "font" or
"character set".  An EGA, VGA, or compatible video system that permits text
fonts to be loaded is required.

The Kermit diskette contains a public-domain Hebrew code page (and several
others) and public-domain utilities for loading and displaying code pages,
compiled and/or created by Professor Joseph (Yossi) Gil at the Technion, plus
additional material created at Columbia University: the Hebrew setups and key
mappings for Kermit, various character set tables, documentation, etc.

Here is a brief synopsis of the files in the Kermit HEBREW directory:

   HEBREW.DOC   - This file
   HEBREW.INI   - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit
   HEBREW.HLP   - Documentation for HEBREW.INI
   CP862.TBL    - IBM PC Hebrew code page table
   ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table
   HEBREW-7.TBL - Hebrew-7 table

And these are in the Kermit PCFONTS directory:

   LOADFONT.COM - Program for changing PC code page (font)
   LOADFONT.HLP - Help text for LOADFONT
   CHARSET.COM  - Program to display current code page (font)

   CP437.F16    - USA code page
   CP850.F16    - Multinational (i.e. Western Europe) code page
   CP852.F16    - Eastern Europe code page
   CP862.F16    - Hebrew code page
   CP866.F16    - Cyrillic code page

The CPxxx.F16 files are to be used with LOADFONT.  For example, to load
the Hebrew code page, type the following command at the DOS prompt:

  C:\> cd c:\kermit\pcfonts
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  C:\> loadfont cp862.f16
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The CP862.TBL file will look right when you have CP862 loaded (for example,
when you TYPE it, EDIT it, etc).  The other .TBL files are there for reference
and practice.

USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES

After you start Kermit, type the command:

  HEBREW

at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt.  "HEBREW" is a macro, defined in MSKERMIT.INI, that
executes the HEBREW.INI file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory.  HEBREW.INI sets
everything up for you automatically.  If you always want to have the Hebrew
features available when you use Kermit, use a text editor to add the HEBREW
command to your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and then you won't have to type this command
at all.

The HEBREW.INI file:

  1. Activates ISO 8859-8 / CP862 character-set translations.
  2. Adds commands to let you change code pages easily.
  3. Loads the Hebrew code page.
  4. Defines the key maps for Hebrew and English keyboard modes.
  5. Sets up commands and hot keys for switching keyboard modes.
  6. Sets up hot keys for switching screen-writing direction.

The initial keyboard mode is English.

The Hebrew font remains loaded after you exit from Kermit, unless you load
another font yourself.

After Kermit has executed the HEBREW.INI command file, the following new
commands are available at at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt:

  HKEYS   Enter Hebrew keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command.
  EKEYS   Enter English keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command.
  HFONT   Load the Hebrew font (done automatically when you TAKE HEBREW.INI)
  EFONT   Load the US font (CP437)
  MFONT   Load the Multinational (West European) font (CP850)

And the following function keys are available during terminal emulation
(CONNECT mode):

  F5      "Hot key" to enter Hebrew keyboard mode immediately.
  F6      Hot key to enter English keyboard mode immediately.
  F7      Equivalent to DEC VT terminal's F7 key (for use with JTSA catalog).
  F9      Select right-to-left screen writing.
  F10     Select left-to-right screen writing.

USING MS-DOS KERMIT FOR HEBREW TERMINAL EMULATION

The HEBREW.INI file sets Kermit up for an 8-bit connection to hosts and
applications that use the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew character set.  This is the
the international standard Hebrew character set, and the one used by most
host-based applications, such as the ALEPH Hebrew library software.  But it is
not the same as the PC Hebrew code page, so Kermit must translate between the
two.

There are at least two other possibilities, which you must consider if you
access a Hebrew application through Kermit, but the characters look wrong:

 . On 7-bit connections, "Hebrew-7" -- a 7-bit character set in which the
   lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters -- is generally
   used.  Hebrew-7 codes are different from Latin/Hebrew and also from CP862.
   Hebrew-7 is commonly used in e-mail, in which it is difficult or impossible
   to transmit 8-bit text.  To use Hebrew-7:

     SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-7
     SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 7

 . It is possible that some Israeli BBSs use Code Page 862.  In this case,
   tell Kermit not to translate.

     SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
     SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8

 . For completeness, here are the commands to use ISO Latin/Hebrew:

     SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-ISO
     SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8

Before accessing the host or service, you must also choose the appropriate type
of terminal emulation, one of the following (use the highest model that works):

  SET TERMINAL TYPE VT320  (this is the default)
  SET TERMINAL TYPE VT220
  SET TERMINAL TYPE VT102
  SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100

From this point, Hebrew-aware software on the remote host or service should be
able to produce correctly formatted screens containing any mixture of English
and Hebrew.

ENTERING HEBREW CHARACTERS ON THE KEYBOARD

MS-DOS Kermit acts like a Hebrew-model DEC VT terminal.  Like your PC, the VT
terminal has the normal number of keys; it does not have extra keys for Hebrew.
Thus, some keys are "shared" between Roman and Hebrew characters.  To send
Hebrew letters the keyboard must be in "Hebrew mode", and to send lowercase
Roman letters, the keyboard must be in "English mode".  The HEBREW.INI file
supplies you with commands and hot keys to switch modes:

                        Command    Hot-Key
   Enter Hebrew mode:    HKEYS       F5
   Enter English mode:   EKEYS       F6

Use the commands (HKEYS, EKEYS) when at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt; use the hot
keys (F5, F6) during terminal emulation.  MS-DOS Kermit also allows the host
application to change your keyboard mode automatically by sending escape
sequences (the JTSA catalog application does this); see the Appendix at the
end of this file.

When Hebrew key mappings are in effect and you press any key to which a Hebrew
code is assigned during terminal emulation, Kermit automatically translates
the PC Hebrew code into the appropriate code (HEBREW-ISO or HEBREW-7 or
TRANSPARENT) for the remote application, according to your TERMINAL
CHARACTER-SET setting.  In other words, you do NOT need different key mappings
for different host Hebrew character sets.

HEBREW FILE TRANSFER

Hebrew text-file transfer is supported only by MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit (UNIX,
VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, etc), and IBM Mainframe Kermit (VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS).

When transferring Hebrew text files between MS-DOS Kermit and a remote
computer or service, use the following commands to ensure that the Hebrew
characters are translated correctly:

On the PC:                         On the remote computer:

 SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862       SET FILE CHARACTER-SET xxx
 SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW  SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW

xxx is the name of the Hebrew character-set on the remote host, such as
HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7, or (only on IBM Mainframes) CP424.  Then send and
receive text files in the normal way.

PRINTING

All files created on your PC's disk by Kermit will record Hebrew letters in the
IBM PC Hebrew code page, CP862 (provided you have set up the appropriate
translation).  If you have a printer that is capable of printing this character
set, then all the normal printing facilities of DOS and of Kermit should work
as expected:

 . The DOS PRINT command.
 . The Print Screen key in DOS or Kermit.
 . etc etc.

NOTE: If you have an IBM printer that is capable of code-page switching, then
the Hebrew fonts supplied on the Hebrew disk will probably not print correctly.
In this case, you will need the real IBM Code Page 862, prepared and loaded
according to the instructions on pages 126-129 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".
(Sorry, I do not know how to get it -- try IBM Israel :-)

If you do NOT have a printer with a Hebrew font built in, then you must use
higher-level software to do the printing.  Reportedly, for example, it is
possible to import a plain-text CP862 file (such as Kermit would create when
you save a screen) into Hebrew WordPerfect and then print it from there.

ACCESSING THE ALEPH LIBRARY CATALOG APPLICATION

The ALEPH system, in use throughout Israel and also at the Jewish Theological
Seminary of America, is designed for use by DEC VT terminals, such as those
emulated by MS-DOS Kermit, and it uses the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew alphabet.
The HEBREW.INI file sets everything up for you.

If your PC is on a TCP/IP network and your MSCUSTOM.INI (MS-DOS Kermit
customization file) is correctly set up for TCP/IP, you can telnet directly
from your PC to an ALEPH host, e.g.:

  MS-Kermit> telnet aleph.huji.ac.il
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If your PC is not on the network, you can dial up with a modem.

No matter which way you came in, you should now see the host banner and
login prompt, e.g.:

  **********************************************************************
  *           The Jewish Theological Seminary of America               *
  *                         VAX/VMS v.5-4                              *
  **********************************************************************

  Username: ALEPH
            ^^^^^
Respond to the "Username:" prompt by typing the word "aleph" and then press
the Enter key.  You won't need a password.  Now you will see the following
greeting and menu:

        Welcome to VAX/VMS version V5.4 on node THEO
    Last interactive login on Tuesday, 8-FEB-1994 18:38
    Last non-interactive login on Sunday,  4-JUL-1993 18:44

              Terminal selection
  Standard (non soft font) terminals:
   3.  VT102 (Latin only, unless accessed using Israeli ALEPH KERMIT)
   11. VT220 protocol (VT220,VT320,VT340,VT420,V603, etc.
           Latin only, unless terminal has Hebrew chip installed)

  Full Latin and SOFT FONT (Hebrew, Arabic, Cyrillic) standard terminals:
   17. VT320
   18. VT420

  English/Hebrew and SOFT FONT (Arabic, Cyrillic) Israeli Hebrew chip
  terminals:
   27. VT320
   28. VT420

           Select from menu : 11
                                      ^^
Choose 11 (VT220) from the terminal-type menu.  That's all there is to it.

Now you should see an English menu on your screen with Hebrew writing near
the top.  Here's a quick demo:

1. In the menu screen, type "?/HEB" (uppercase, without the quotes) and then
   press the Enter key to switch to Hebrew display mode.  The menu should
   change to all Hebrew, and your keyboard should switch automatically into
   Hebrew mode.

2. Now type "?/ENG" to switch back to English.  Beware: Since the keyboard is
   in Hebrew mode while you are typing this, the slash character (/) is now
   mapped to lowercase "q", so to enter "?/ENG", you must type "?qENG".
   Notice how these characters echo when you type them.  Now you should see a
   help screen whose left side is English and whose right side is Hebrew.

3. Now type "ENG" or "HEB" to select English or Hebrew screens.  The host
   application automatically switches your keyboard to the appropriate mode.
   If you select Hebrew, the Hebrew key mappings go into effect automatically;
   if you select English, the English mappings are made automatically.

4. In an English screen, search for (say) authors named Singer by typing:

      AU/Singer

   In a Hebrew screen type the Hebrew author-search command, Mem-Chet-slash
   (njq) and the author's name in Hebrew, for example "zhbdr" (= Zade Yod Nun
   Gimel Resh = Zinger):

      njqzhbdr

5. To capture a screen, hold down the Ctrl key and press the End key on the
   numeric keypad.  This copies text on the screen to a file on your disk
   called KERMIT.SCN.  If you do this more than once, it will keep adding new
   screens to the end of the KERMIT.SCN file, separating each one by a
   Formfeed.

To get back to the main menu at any time, press the PC's F7 key.

To leave ALEPH, type the word "STOP" (without the quotes) and then press the
Enter key.

Some Hebrew library catalogs that use the ALEPH software are:

  Central ALEPH Computer          Telnet RAM2.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207
  Bar-Ilan University             Telnet ALEPH.BIU.AC.IL or 132.70.9.36
  Ben-Gurion University           Telnet BGULIB.BGU.AC.IL
  Haifa University                Telnet LIB.HAIFA.AC.IL or 132.74.1.100
  Hebrew University               Telnet ALEPH.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207
  Jewish Theological Seminary     Telnet JTSA.EDU
  Technion                        Telnet LIB.TECHNION.AC.IL or 132.68.1.20
  Tel Aviv University             Telnet TAUVAX.TAU.AC.IL or 132.66.32.6
  Weizmann Institute of Science   Telnet WISLIB.WEIZMANN.AC.IL or 132.76.64.14

In all cases, the username to use is ALEPH and no password is required,
and in all cases you should choose "11" from the terminal-type menu.

Also, please note that references to Hebrew-University Kermit are obsolete, as
are the instructions for using it.  All the work done at Hebrew University was
incorporated into MS-DOS Kermit 3.13, and upgraded to a much higher level of
functionality.  Please ignore the instructions about special MSKERMIT.INI
files, VT102 emulation, Terminal Type 3, etc.

USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES IN NON-HEBREW APPLICATIONS

You can use Kermit's Hebrew features to create or view plain-text documents on
a CUNIX or other host computer written in Hebrew (or Yiddish?) (or Ladino?)  if
you keep the following points in mind:

 . Hebrew characters are restricted to the basic set of 22 letters and
   5 final forms.

 . Hebrew characters are stored and transmitted left to right, even though
   they should be displayed right to left.

 . You can't mix Roman and Hebrew text in a plain-text file unless you are
   willing to type the Hebrew letters in reverse order (or vice-versa,
   depending on how the text is to be displayed).  That's because
   non-Hebrew-aware software is not equipped to handle bidirectional text.

If you are using Kermit to create or read Hebrew text on a computer that does
not have Hebrew-aware software, you can tell Kermit to reverse its
screen-writing direction to force characters to be written right-to-left:

  SET TERMINAL DIRECTION RIGHT-TO-LEFT

And, of course, you can also undo this effect:

  SET TERMINAL DIRECTION LEFT-TO-RIGHT

The HEBREW.INI file assigns these functions to F9 and F10, respectively, so you
can conveniently switch direction during terminal emulation.

If your connection to the host application is "8-bit clean", AND the
application itself is also 8-bit clean, you can use the ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew
Alphabet, which contains full upper and lowercase Roman, plus Hebrew, plus a
variety of symbols.  Unfortunately, very few host applications are 8-bit clean
(except on VMS -- such as the JTSA Library System).

EXAMPLE: Creating a Hebrew text file with the VMS EVE (EDIT/TPU) editor:

  1. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to TAKE HEBREW.INI
  2. Log in to the VAX.
  3. EDIT/TPU <filename>.
  4. Push F5 to enter Hebrew keyboard mode.
  5. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing.
  6. Create/edit the file in the normal way.  All the English
     will be displayed backwards, but the Hebrew will look right.

IN THE 7-BIT ENVIRONMENT, you'll have to use the Hebrew-7 character set,
in which lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters; thus
only uppercase Roman letters are available.  For example, to send a Hebrew
e-mail message with (English) Pine:

  1. Access and log in to CUNIX (don't put Kermit into Hebrew mode yet).
  2. Start Pine and select COMPOSE MESSAGE.
  3. Fill out the To: and Subject: fields of the message using Roman letters.
  4. Move to the message body using the down-arrow or Enter key.
  5. Press the F5 key to enter Hebrew keyboard mode.
  6. Use Alt-x to return to the MS-Kermit> prompt and enter the following
     commands:

       take hebrew.ini
       set terminal character-set hebrew-7
       set terminal bytesize 7
       connect

     Remember: you can abbreviate Kermit commands and keywords (but not
     filenames) to their minimum unique length.  So the above commands could
     also be entered as:

       ta hebrew.ini
       set ter ch hebrew-7
       set ter by 7
       c

  7. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing.
  8. Type Ctrl-L (hold down Ctrl and press the L key) to refresh the screen.
  9. Enter Hebrew text into the message body, referring to the keyboard map.
     If you must type numbers, enter the digits in reverse order.  If you must
     type English text, enter the letters in UPPER CASE and in reverse order.
 10. To send the message, type Ctrl-X (hold down Ctrl, press X).
 11. To return to English mode, press F6 and F10, then Ctrl-L to refresh
     the screen.
 12. Enter Q to quit from Pine.

The person who receives your message must, of course, also be set up for the
Hebrew-7 character set and right-to-left display.  Remember that when the
keyboard is in Hebrew mode, all Roman letters must be entered in UPPER CASE.
This includes (of course) Pine commands.

OTHER HOST-BASED HEBREW APPLICATIONS

There is a version of the text editor EMACS, developed in Japan, called MULE
(MUltiLingual EMACS), which is capable of handling Hebrew (as well as almost
any other script in the world), fully accomodating mixed Hebrew and Roman (or
other) scripts, and (reportedly) handling bidirectionality correctly.  It
works best with X terminals, but might also work in Hebrew mode with PCs
running Kermit.

There is a Hebrew version of the UNIX VI text editor, called vi.iv, from
the Technion.

There is reportedly a Hebrew version of the Pine e-mail software.

EPILOG

Because Hebrew text is intrinsically bidirectional (since, for example, numbers
are written left-to-right, and Roman or other types of left-to-right text are
often mixed in), no "plain-text" standard for Hebrew has ever emerged.  Hebrew
text can only be handled on a "higher" level, e.g. by applications such as the
JTSA catalog, Hebrew WordPerfect, and so on.

Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, these higher-level applications are
incompatible with each other, using different character sets and different
methods for indicating and controlling directionality, not to mention other
rendering and representation issues (Macintosh vs PC, font selection and style,
boldface, italic, etc etc).  Thus, widespread system- and application-
independent interchange of Hebrew text has never been achieved.  Informants in
Israel tell me, for example, that Hebrew simply is not used in e-mail;
everybody gets by with English.

The situation with Arabic is similar, but not identical.

The situation with other non-Roman alphabetic scripts, such as Cyrillic and
Greek, is far better.  These scripts can be handled very easily by a simple
font change, and mixtures of Cyrillic and Roman or Greek and Roman letters in a
plain text file poses no problems at all.  Similar comments apply to other
left-to-right alphabetic scripts such as Armenian, Georgian, etc.

In the future, there will be a universal coded character set, ISO 10646,
capable of representing all of the world's scripts in a single coding system,
including both modern and ancient scripts.  Presently, ISO 10646 includes only
the basic Hebrew repertoire of 22 letters plus 5 final forms.  An extension to
this standard, proposed by the Israel Institute for Standards, will add vowel
points, cantillation marks, and possibly also unique Hebrew forms of
punctuation as well as Yiddish digraphs.  ISO 10646 (and its precursor,
Unicode, which is in most part a compatible subset of ISO 10646) will allow
text to contain any mixture of scripts.  But massive changes in software, data,
as well as in display, printing, and data entry devices will be required, so
only time will tell if ISO 10646 will achieve widespread use.

APPENDIX I - EDITING FILES ON THE PC

Your AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS are "plain text" files.  The same is true of
all Kermit command and initialization files.  You can modify such files using
the DOS EDLIN or EDIT programs.  EDLIN and EDIT are documented in your DOS
manual.  The recommended method for editing these files is to use the DOS EDIT
program.  Let's suppose you want to modify your AUTOEXEC.BAT file.  First, make
a backup copy in case something goes wrong:

  cd c:\
  copy autoexec.bat autoexec.bak

And then start the editor:

  edit autoexec.bat

This brings up a screen showing the file.  You can move through the file with
the arrow keys until you find the line you want to change, in our case the line
that starts with "PATH=".  Use the End key to position the cursor at the end of
the "PATH=" line, then type the text you want to add, such as ";C:\KERMIT".

To save the file, press Alt-f (hold down Alt, press f) to activate the File
menu.  Then use the down-arrow key to highlight the Save item, and then press
the Enter key.

To exit from EDIT, press Alt-f again, use the arrow key to highlight Exit, and
press Enter.

If you are using a word processing program to create or modify a DOS or Kermit
command file, do not include any special effects (bold, underline, italics),
and be sure to save the file in text mode.  The method for doing this depends
on the word processor.

In Microsoft Word 5.0, for example, press the Esc key to get to the menu, press
T to choose Transfer, press S to choose Save, type the filename, use the arrow
keys to get to the "format" line, choose Text-Only, press Enter to save the
file, and then leave the program by pressing the Esc key and then Q.

In WordPerfect 5.1, use Ctrl-F5 (hold down the Ctrl key and press the F5 key)
to save the file, press T to select DOS Text, 1 to Save, type the filename and
press Enter, and quit from WordPerfect by pressing the F7 key.

APPENDIX II - THE HEBREW KEY MAP

(Note: Names of Hebrew letters are from the ISO 8859-8 Standard.)

Hebrew Order             Roman Order              QWERTY Keyboard Order

  q = Slash                , = Taw             q = Slash
  w = Apostrophe           . = Terminal Zade        w = Apostrophe
  ' = Comma                ' = Comma                e = Qoph
  / = Period               / = Period               r = Resh
  t = Aleph                ; = Terminal Pe          t = Aleph
  c = Bet                  a = Shin                 y = Tet
  d = Gimel                b = Nun                  u = Waw
  s = Dalet                c = Bet                  i = Terminal Nun
  v = He                   d = Gimel                o = Terminal Mem
  u = Waw                  e = Qoph                 p = Pe
  z = Zain                 f = Kaph                 a = Shin
  j = Chet                 g = Ayin                 s = Dalet
  y = Tet                  h = Yod                  d = Gimel
  h = Yod                  i = Terminal Nun         f = Kaph
  l = Terminal Kaph        j = Chet                 g = Ayin
  f = Kaph                 k = Lamed                h = Yod
  k = Lamed                l = Terminal Kaph        j = Chet
  o = Terminal Mem         m = Zade                 k = Lamed
  n = Mem                  n = Mem                  l = Terminal Kaph
  i = Terminal Nun         o = Terminal Mem         ; = Terminal Pe
  b = Nun                  p = Pe                   ' = Comma
  x = Samech               q = Slash                z = Zain
  g = Ayin                 r = Resh                 x = Samech
  ; = Terminal Pe          s = Dalet                c = Bet
  p = Pe                   t = Aleph                v = He
  . = Terminal Zade        u = Waw                  b = Nun
  m = Zade                 v = He                   n = Mem
  e = Qoph                 w = Apostrophe           m = Zade
  r = Resh                 x = Samech               , = Taw
  a = Shin                 y = Tet                  . = Terminal Zade
  , = Taw                  z = Zain                 / = Period

If you have a PostScript printer, you can get a picture of the key map
by printing the KEYMAP.PS file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory.

APPENDIX III - Technical Summary

Hebrew terminal emulation and file transfer (version 3.13).  Commands:

  SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW
  SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET { HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7 }
  SET TERMINAL DIRECTION { RIGHT-TO-LEFT, LEFT-TO-RIGHT }
  SET TERMINAL CODE-PAGE CP862

Terminal direction is controlled in two different ways: (1) by host- generated
escape sequences (automatic, see below) and (2) by the SET TERMINAL DIRECTION
command.  When the writing direction is changed by escape sequences from the
host, the cursor-positioning coordinate system is not changed.  For example, if
Kermit was in left-to-right mode and the host send ESC [ ? 34 h, position (1,1)
would still be in the upper left.  This is how a real Hebrew-model VT terminal
works.  If, however, you command Kermit into RIGHT-TO-LEFT mode, the coordinate
system flips right to left so the origin (1,1) is at the upper right corner,
which is useful for viewing and composing some right to left text. The host can
override the user setting, and the user can later override the host setting.

Hebrew character sets:

 . CP862 is the PC Hebrew code page, available from IBM as EGAHE.COM, or
   perhaps as a hardware code page on Hebrew-model PCs.  Distributed on the
   the Kermit diskette in a public-domain form as CP862.F16, to be used with
   the (also public-domain) LOADFONT program.

 . HEBREW-ISO is the 8-bit standard ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet.

 . HEBREW-7 is the 7-bit Hebrew "National Replacement Character Set" (NRC),
   ASCII with the lowercase Roman letters replaced by Hebrew letters,
   often used in e-mail.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 supports:

 . Automatic selection of writing direction by host escape sequence.
 . ISO 2022-compliant terminal character-set designation and invocation.
 . Hebrew keyboard mode.

Hebrew-specific escape sequences recognized by the VT220 and 320 terminal
emulators:

  ESC ) H        Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G1
  ESC * H        Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G2
  ESC + H        Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G3
  ESC ( % =        Designates 7-bit Hebrew NRC to G0-G3
  ESC ) " 4        Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G1
  ESC * " 4        Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G2
  ESC + " 4        Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G3
  DCS 0 ! u " 4 ST    Assigns DEC supplement Hebrew as UPSS
  DCS 0 ! u H ST    Assigns Latin/Hebrew as UPSS
  CSI ? 34 h        Sets right-to-left screen-writing mode
  CSI ? 34 l        Sets left-to-right screen-writing mode
  CSI ? 35 h        Sets Hebrew keyboard mapping via Kermit macros
  CSI ? 35 l        Sets Roman (North American) keyboard mapping, ditto
  CSI ? 36 h        Hebrew encoding mode is 7-bit Hebrew-7 "National mode"
  CSI ? 36 l        Hebrew encoding mode is 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew

Hebrew keyboard mapping:

 . CSI ? 35 h invokes the macro KEYBOARDS, which you must define to set up
   your keyboard for entering Hebrew characters.  If this macro is not
   defined, nothing happens.

 . CSI ? 35 l invokes the macro KEYBOARDR, which you must define to set up
   your keyboard for entering Roman (North American) characters.  If this
   macro is not defined, nothing happens.

     NOTE: do not define KEYBOARDS without also defining KEYBOARDR
     to undo its effects!

The various reports furnished by MS-DOS Kermit also include Hebrew-specific
information, and the following host-initiated operations work in both left-
to-right and right-to-left mode: Insert/Replace Mode, Autowrap, Backspace,
Carriage Return, Linefeed, Formfeed, Vertical Tab, Horizontal Tab.

The keyboard mapping sequences invoke the user-defined macros KEYBOARDS (h) and
KEYBOARDR (l).  Users should define these macros to accomplish the desired
keyboard mappings with SET KEY commands.  Sample mappings (those used with
Hebrew WordPerfect, etc) are supplied in the HEBREW.INI file.

In VT100 and VT102 mode, the following functions are supported:

  ESC ) 1        Enter Hebrew mode
  ESC ) B        Exit Hebrew mode

FURTHER READING

1. Your MS-DOS manual, the sections on code pages.  For example, Microsoft
   MS-DOS Operating System Version 5.0 User's Guide and Reference (1992),
   Chapter 13 and the Appendix, "Keyboard Layouts and Code Pages".

2. Gianone, Christine M., "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Digital Press (1992),
   Chapter 13, "International Character Sets".  Also, for TCP/IP setup,
   Chapter 16, "Kermit on Local Area Networks".

3. The files KERMIT.UPD and HEBREW\HEBREW.HLP on the MS-DOS 3.13 diskette.

4. The Hebrew character-set tables in the HEBREW directory, and the PC
   font material in the PCFONTS directory.

5. The Unicode Standard, Worldwide Character Encoding, Version 1.0, Volume 1,
   The Unicode Consortium.  Addison-Wesley (1991).

(End of HEBREW.DOC)


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp?
Date: 21 Nov 1994 00:44:50 GMT
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In article <3ack7a$[e-mail]>,
25 minutes late... <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS?
>

There are two versions of Kermit from Columbia U. that work with OS/2 WARP.

First there is C-Kermit 5A(190) for OS/2.

C-Kermit is certified by IBM as "Ready for OS/2" and "Ready for LAN Systems"

C-Kermit provides vt220, vt102, vt52, and ANSI BBS terminal emulations
over either serial or network connections (TCP/IP [WARP IAK], NETBIOS,
NAMED PIPES, DEC LAT).

Full scripting (Kermit and REXX)
> 1 million line scrollback buffer
Mouse cursor positioning and PM clipboard copy/paste
File tranfer supporting OS/2 Extended Attributes
OS/2 Long file names supported on FAT file systems

and much more.

----

If you must use a VT320 or Tektronics emulation you can still use
MS-DOS Kermit in a DOS Window or Full screen session.

I would recommend using Ray Gwinn's Serail Fossil Drivers if you
are going to use MS-DOS Kermit.  MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities
do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate
network card to that session.

If you need more info, post again.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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Subject: Question about ASK usage in MS-Kermit script
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Hello:

I have a question about ASK.  I am writing an MS-Kermit
script which prompts
the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it.  No problem
there.  But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely
hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first.

There is probably an obvious answer.  I have looked all over &
experimented with no success.  I am a new user of Kermit, hence I
am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy
of "the book" to arrive.

Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated)

Thank you very much,
Maurice Baker
AT&T Bell Labs, Homdel
mrbaker  at  hodcs.att.com  (email preferred, but followups OK too)


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From: [e-mail] (Brian F. Angus)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor
>realistic.
>        Joe D.


Many interesting projects arise from rather pointless objectives, and in
this case, I believe we have the perfect example of a truly pointless
objective.  But, to continue this one step further (yes I know this isn't
really attempting to solve the original problem), instead of trying to tie
into the Winsock API, would it be feasible or even possible tie a DOS packet
driver into the Windows based NDIS3 drivers (I believe MicroSoft's PPP
driver is only supplied as an NDIS3 Windows based driver).  It seems to me
there would still be the problem of multiplexing multiple IP stacks (very
undesireable).

Brian A.

P.S.  Just trying to promote some more interesting and irrelevant discussion.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (-M.BAKER) writes:
> Hello:
>
> I have a question about ASK.  I am writing an MS-Kermit
> script which prompts
> the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it.  No problem
> there.  But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely
> hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first.
>
> There is probably an obvious answer.  I have looked all over &
> experimented with no success.  I am a new user of Kermit, hence I
> am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy
> of "the book" to arrive.
>
> Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated)
-----------
    ask \%a prompt>
    prompt> <user presses Enter so \%a is empty and therefore undefined>
    if equ "\%a" "" echo The user did not provide text
or    if defined \%a  echo The user did provide text
and so on. Don't use {\%a} {} because they will parse out to empty, leaving
 if equ echo The ... which is not what is wanted.
    Joe D.

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I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with
kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run
slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is
because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and
figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit
but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start
slip going...

Thanks for any help!
Please if you can respond via email ([e-mail])

Micah


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I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have
a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set
flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I
am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters
dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from
experienced folks?

Thanks!

Micah


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Subject: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13.
Keywords: SCO 3.2V4.2, MS-Kermit 3.13, Telnet, Interrupt, Data Mark
Summary: SCO Unix sends Data Mark on interrupt.  MSK 3.13 P13 displays as r.
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When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines
(3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no
obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r".  NCSA
Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace
shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent.

This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated
by sending the stty interrupt character.

This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from
being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the
backspace key before talking to the machine in question.  It
doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1.

** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office.
--
David Woolley, London, England                     [e-mail]
Demon supplies me with IP/SMTP/NNTP.  *.demon hosts are independently managed.

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>>>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not
>>>protocol independent.  The best you could possibly hope for would be a
>>>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through
>>>WinSock.
>>
>> Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP
>> functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering.
>> You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection
>> code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows
>> WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt.  The WINSOCK application
>> would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application.  This may
>> require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure.  I briefly looked into this but I
>> have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task.
>-------
>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor
>realistic.

...but is similar to what is done inside TIA, if I am not mistaken.


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In article <3aoc2h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

>>>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor
>>>realistic.
>>>        Joe D.
>>
>>Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the
>>winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead.
>>Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for
>>DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on
>>biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites).
>>The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet
>>drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations.
>>
>>I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but
>>actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock
>>running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now.
>>

>But this doesn't address the original need.

>The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a
>WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection
>made with Windows for Workgroups.

>In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the
>real packet driver for the mux to sit on.

And _that_ is the real problem.  I have wondered at times if the
TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality
shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a
packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver
for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other.




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In article <[e-mail]>, Micah Anderson <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have
> a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set
> flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I
> am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters
> dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from
> experienced folks?
---------
    SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
|    SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit.
|    Joe D.

Also be sure to lower the DTE rate appropriately if you're running a
relatively slow computer.  On my Tandy XT clone, I can't run my Intel
144/144e 14.4k external modem faster than 19200, even with hardware
handshaking.
--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  ([e-mail])|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell

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I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University
Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download
files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files
to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do
not work at all.

Could any expert out there tell me why. I use most default parameters
for file transfer.

WJ

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
william p fulmor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid
>for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu.  It's about 90K bigger
>than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run,
>insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected.
>
We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300.
Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all.

If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit
makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see
where else I can get one made.  (No, we do not have an example of every
computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness
of others"...

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Micah Anderson  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with
>kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run
>slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is
>because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and
>figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit
>but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start
>slip going...
>
Since UNIX is a "real operating system" -- unlike, say, DOS -- processes
close all open file handles when they exit.  So no, you can't use C-Kermit
on UNIX to open a connection and then exit and expect for it to be left
open, at least not unless you configure the modem to ignore DTR, and take
a few other esoteric steps, none of which are recommended as they pose
distinct security risks.

But there are several ways for C-Kermit to give access to its connection to
other processes, which are covered mostly in section 11 of the file
ckuker.bwr, which comes with C-Kermit 5A(190).  These include PUSHing from
C-Kermit, suspending C-Kermit, and forking (via ! or REDIRECT) other processes
from C-Kermit.  So read this material, and also read about the new (to edit
190) REDIRECT command in the 5A(190) ckcker.upd file.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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    Maybe the last of the winsock discussion here.
    Just so we are clear on things. Winsock is for pure Windows
programs, not for DOS programs. We say again, pure Windows programs.
And, I am unaware of any winsock implementation yet smart enough
to get the heck off the hardware when the last close occurs. They
all want to sit and occupy space and attachments whether used or not
(not to mention complaining bitterly if one of their friends isn't
ready when Windows starts). That puts these things in the category
of TSRs rather than upon-demand programs. I think the industry has
a step to go yet to clean up this act.
    NDIS 3 shims. Be my guest. First you need to decode NDIS 2,
and then the tangle constituting NDIS 3.
    Splitting MS-DOS Kermit into pieces. Won't happen, please forget
about the concept.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Woolley) writes:
> When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines
> (3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no
> obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r".  NCSA
> Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace
> shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent.
>
> This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated
> by sending the stty interrupt character.
>
> This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from
> being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the
> backspace key before talking to the machine in question.  It
> doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1.
>
> ** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office.
--------
    Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen
an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the
high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as
IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed
both bytes.
    If you are still reading along, the way I understand this situation
is the SCO machine was trying to flush bytes sent to the MSK client, by
sending IAC DMARK in a TCP segment with the TCP URGENT bit set. The recepient
is supposed to discard all data up to and including the IAC DMARK. Folks have
commented upon this less than clear or desirable "feature" of Telnet, and
Kermit does not play that game. Just how much discarding should occur is
ambiguous, and I chose not to chase down internal buffers to do the flush.
In any case, the commands are really intended to be sent to servers where a
job may be blocked unable to read the data stream for the Interrupt Process
command pair IAC IP or similar; they ought not be sent to clients.
    If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy.
    Thanks,
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Micah Anderson  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have
>a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set
>flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I
>am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters
>dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from
>experienced folks?
>
Modem configuration is always a pain, especially with the newer modems.

If you are using MS-DOS Kermit, you can get a Zyxel dialing script for it
that sets up the modem and Kermit for optimal performance.  This script
comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, available via anonymous ftp to host
kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip.
Unzip with "-d" switch.  Install according to directions in the top-level
READ.ME file.  Then just tell Kermit to "set modem zyxel" and DIAL.

Remember this is still a beta version; report any problems via e-mail to
[e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem
Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:31:42 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Prof X. Chen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University
>Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download
>files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files
>to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do
>not work at all.
>
This type of question is answered clearly and at length in the documentation.
Very briefly:  There are five major items to be considered:

 1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed, lock your modem
    at that speed, and also enable its error-correction and data compression
    features.

 2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means thereof, such as
    RTS/CTS.

 3. Use long packets.  Tell the Kermit program which is *receiving* the file
    to "set receive packet-length 2000" (or whatever other number works best).

 4. Use sliding windows.  Tell *both* Kermit programs to "set window 4"
    (or other number).

 5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update notes files that
    come with the current releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit.

Items 1 and 2 are handled automatically by the dialing scripts for high-speed
modems that come with MS-DOS Kermit.  Items 3-5 require some experimentation
to obtain the maximum transfer rate possible on any given connection.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Mark S. Zinzow)
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[e-mail] (David Anthony Sexton) writes:
>Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop.
>Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest
>versions of Kermit have this already?

There are a lot of nifty frog pictures on the World Wide Web.
A good source is Sandra Loosemore's Froggy Page
http://www.cs.yale.edu/HTML/YALE/CS/HyPlans/loosemore-sandra/froggy.html
I've converted one of her drawings to a decent Kermit icon which you
can access from my (under construction)    kermit page:
http://ux1.cso.uiuc.edu/~zinzow/kermit.html

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
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In VMS you can "exit" C-Kermit and keep the modem allocated.

I use the VMS ALLOCATE command and then go into Kermit and exit,
then go into Kermit again and when I'm done I DEALLOCATE.

Works like a charm and is extremely useful for my particular
application (queuing files to send to various "nodes" but
keeping the connection up in case the next file queued is
for the same node!).

    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta 14 ready for testing
Date: 21 Nov 1994 22:24:00 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-14 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Monday, 21 November 1994, 5:00pm EST:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-12 ( there was no Beta-13 :-) include:

1. Final touches added to SET CARRIER detection for rapid reaction.

2. Found and fixed the recent slowdown for real serial ports (too long a
   delay when waiting for the UART transmitter to become free).  ZIP-file
   throughput dropped to 600-700 file characters per second, rather than
   the usual 1600 or so with a 14,400 bps modem (when Kermit protocol is
   tuned for peak performance and you have a buffered UART, etc).

3. Added new built-in DIAL command.  This looks for a macro of the same
   name (such as the one defined in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file), and
   executes it with the given phone number as its argument(s).  If no DIAL
   macro is defined then a simple internal macro named __DIAL is run
   instead.  This allows at least some form of dialing to be done under
   program control even when KERMIT.EXE is run "bare" with no macros
   defined.  The only assumption made by the built-in DIAL macro is that
   ATD<phone-number><CR> is the dialing command.  See (the new) section
   1.2 of the KERMIT.UPD file for details.

4. Cured a bug when "\FOOBAR" or other word beginning with \F (upper or
   lower case), but not one of the \function()s, occurs in certain
   commands, especially in SET PROMPT.

5. Fixed a bug in sending packets over a seven bit channel with locking
   shifts active. A packet could be one byte longer than a "regular" one
   and be sent in long packet format by mistake.

6. Fixed a bug in packet capabilities fields which could prevent a client
   from requesting file type Binary automatically.

7. Minor fixes to Cyrillic .INI files, addition of a SHORTKOI.TBL file.

Still more thanks to Joe Doupnik for his continuing work on this project
and his responsiveness to beta testing reports.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to [e-mail].  Let's
give this one a good workout in hopes that it might be the final Beta!

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Soren Aalto) writes:
> In article <3aoc2h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>>>>        Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of
>>>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP
>>>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over
>>>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor
>>>>realistic.
>>>>        Joe D.
    <huge amount of repeated material omitted>
> And _that_ is the real problem.  I have wondered at times if the
> TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality
> shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a
> packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver
> for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other.
-----------
    Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many
coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms
level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed
retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal
TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently
encompass two or three variations from the same vendor).
    Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs.
    MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with
them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were
winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller.
So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last
close and to not be present until an application makes a demand.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Vito Kwan)
Subject: re-dial in kermit 3.12
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Hi all,
   I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a
phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds.
   Could someone please give me some hints?
   Thanks in advance.

V. Kwan
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Kamalkumar R. Desai)
Subject: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS
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Hi,
I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon),
I have written a small script to call my school using my modem and once
connects types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but
I would like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e.
type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file should have one line.

KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK

That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me
to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape
sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt. I normally
start KERMIT again and now I am at MS-KERMIT> prompt and can do file transfers.

I am sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I looked
into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but no avail.
Any help is welcome.

Kamal Desai
Clark Univ.
Worcester, MA 01610.


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In article <3aqkgi$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
[...]
>We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300.
>Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all.
>
>If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit
>makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see
>where else I can get one made.  (No, we do not have an example of every
>computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness
>of others"...

If whoever provides one would be kind enough to post when it's available,
I'd appreciate it.  I'd rebuild it myself, having gcc and most other goodies,
but the one goody I don't have right now is enough disk space :-(

--
                      I compute, therefore I am.
My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent
anyone else.

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>Subject: Re: kermit icon
>From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
>Date: 19 Nov 94 20:15:30 MDT

>In article <3ajmto$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>(David Anthony Sexton) writes:
>> Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop.
>> Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest
>> versions of Kermit have this already?
>> Dave.
>---------
>        Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe
>you want to create your own.
>        Joe D.

For what it's worth, here's my own icon ...
__
Jonathan B. Marder                 '
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P.O.Box 12, Rehovot 76100, ISRAEL  /     Fax:      (08 or [phone]
UUENCODED by Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4]

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From: [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse)
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In <3aoqi2$[e-mail]> Jeffrey Altman writes:

>                             MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities
> do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate
> network card to that session.

Not entirely true, there are ways to use MS-Kermit's network capabilities.
For example, I run multiple MS-Kermit sessions with NVT (Netware Virtual
Terminal) over a global IPX/ODI stack on OS/2, talking to a SCO Unix host
that's running an SPX/IPX stack. :-)

--
Kees Hendrikse                                | email:   [e-mail]
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>>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> writes:

    Frank> In article <[e-mail]>, Prof X. Chen
    Frank> <[e-mail]> wrote:
        >> I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and
        >> University Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is
        >> ok to download files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However,
        >> if I try to send files to the remote system, the speed becomes
        >> very very slow and often do not work at all.
        >>
    Frank> This type of question is answered clearly and at length in
    Frank> the documentation.  Very briefly: There are five major
    Frank> items to be considered:

    Frank>  1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed,.......
    Frank>  2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means......
    Frank>  3. Use long packets.  Tell the Kermit program which is......
    Frank>  4. Use sliding windows.  Tell *both* Kermit programs to........
    Frank>  5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update
    Frank>     notes files that come with the current releases of C-Kermit
    Frank>     and MS-DOS Kermit.


I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2),
I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same
setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many
retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I
need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the
file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor
in my host side (only work in ASCII file).

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In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>,
Kevin Anthony Stanchfield <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through
>a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca.  The system at Cal Poly
>is a VAX.  I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files.  Even
>after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends.  My terminal is set to
>9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on
>port 2.  Can someone help?
>
>Thank You.
>


I have the same identical problem.  I can download from 8 bit systems
using 3 different commercial packages.  But everybody says kermit
is the only solution for 7 bit systems.  When I d'l a zip file,
pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check.
Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit?

any ideas?


Joe

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads.
Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:24:16 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joseph E. Eisenmeier <jeeisenm> <jeeisenm> wrote:
>...
>I have the same identical problem.  I can download from 8 bit systems
>using 3 different commercial packages.  But everybody says kermit
>is the only solution for 7 bit systems.  When I d'l a zip file,
>pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check.
>Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit?
>
Because of billions of dollars of investment in the installed base of
communications equipment, and even in some cases, operating systems.

Let's be specific about exactly which Kermit software and which versions
of it we are talking about.  Released versions of Kermit software *do*
*work* in both the 7-bit and 8-bit environments.  There was a problem
with a couple of the Beta edits of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, but that's Beta
software, not released software.  The current Beta (14) should not have
any problems.

Leaving Betas aside for a moment, the standard method for transferring
files -- any kind of files -- over a 7-bit connection with Kermit is to
tell *both* Kermit programs to:

  SET PARITY EVEN

(or ODD, or MARK, or SPACE).  When Kermit's parity is set to anything
other than NONE, this enables -- in fact, forces -- 7-bit transfers,
meaning that 8-bit data gets encoded in a special 7-bit form that can
pass through the 7-bit connection.  This should always work.

In practice, it is usually only necessary to tell the file *sender*
to "set parity <whatever>", because then it will tell the receiver.
Newer Kermit versions (1990's vintage) will also detect even, odd, or
mark parity automatically, even if you don't give a "set parity"
command.  But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable
from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server
connections, etc.

So to be safe, give a "set parity" command to both Kermit programs.

Finally, don't expect this to work with non-Columbia Kermit implementations.
In my experience, few of the shareware or commercial packages get this
stuff right.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem
Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:31:55 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ching Mo Chang <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2),
>I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same
>setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many
>retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I
>need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the
>file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor
>in my host side (only work in ASCII file).
>
This is not Kermit's fault.  You should be thankful that Kermit lets you
adjust these parameters to make the file transfer work at all.  Why is this
happening?  It's hard to say without more information, but the most likely
culprit is a lack of buffer capacity in the "upstream" direction, coupled
with a lack of effective flow control -- a fatal combination, and a common
one.

Many communications processors (terminal servers, front ends, host console
drivers) are designed on the assumption that traffic *to* the host consists
of nothing but keystrokes -- which hardly anybody can produce at more than
about ten per second (= 100 bps) -- whereas traffic in the downstream
direction is voluminous -- file listings, etc.  So they have big output
buffers and tiny input buffers.

To compound the problem, some communications processors take this assumption
one step further and do not even provide flow control in the upstream
direction, because they figure they will never need it.  A well-known example
is the Cisco ASM series of terminal servers.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS
Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:40:46 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Kamalkumar R. Desai <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon), I have
>written a small script to call my school using my modem and once connects
>types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but I would
>like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e.  type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file
>should have one line.
>
>KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK
>
>That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me
>to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape
>sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt.  I am
>sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I
>looked into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but
>no avail.
>
Actually, the manual is:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.

Look on page 202, section Command Line Invocation:

  Several commands may be given on the command line, separated by commas.
  ...  MS-DOS Kermit will exit back to DOS after completing the specified
  commands unless you include the STAY commaand on the command line:

    C> kermit connect, stay

(end quote).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: re-dial in kermit 3.12
Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:43:14 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Vito Kwan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a
>phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds.
>Could someone please give me some hints?
>
Read the chapter on script programming in the manual?

Use any of the standard dialing scripts, which already do this?

Once again, the manual is:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: [phone]

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (James Sturdevant)
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Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads.
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Kevin Anthony Stanchfield ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through
: a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca.  The system at Cal Poly
: is a VAX.  I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files.  Even
: after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends.  My terminal is set to
: 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on
: port 2.  Can someone help?

: Thank You.

VMS C-Kermit ignores the binary request for certain file types.  To force
it to transfer the file as binary, use

    SET FILE TYPE IMAGE

JamesS

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In article <3aqkgi$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300.
>Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all.
>
>If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit
>makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see
>where else I can get one made.  (No, we do not have an example of every
>computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness
>of others"...
>

I will be more than happy to biuld 5A(190) for the 7300. I have the
stock compilers, and will leave most of the options in.

How would I go about submitting this to the archive?

-Craig
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Anyone know of a screen dump utility (freeware, shareware, etc.) that I
can use with Kermit 3.12?  Thank you!


Tom Lacko
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We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy
facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this
version because of the new features and added network support. However,
the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes
are thus:

    1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on
when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off.

    2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network.

    3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.

    4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
it works in 3.11 version.

    5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem
4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not
getting to the PC.

WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers
to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the
answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so
iff it addresses the problems we have encountered.

-Darren G. Pifer
Code 431 - NAVMASSO
Phone: [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]

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I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix
boxes at work.  One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a
problem (using make iclsys5r4).

The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what
unix version it is.  On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release
4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41".

Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile.
I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings
and finally and fails completely.  I was going to include all the messages
here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first.

Any ideas?

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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In article <3atrnt$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
:We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy
:facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this
:version because of the new features and added network support. However,
:the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes
:are thus:
:
:    1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on
:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off.
:
:    2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network.
:
:    3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.
:
:    4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
:it works in 3.11 version.
:
:    5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem
:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not
:getting to the PC.
:
:WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers
:to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the
:answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so
:iff it addresses the problems we have encountered.

Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at...

1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and
   changes something around.  Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or
   do you have a macro handle all of this?

2) Need more information for this one.  What type of network, etc...

3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now.  Are you
   sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your
   mscustom.ini after upgrading?

4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
   ``one-sided'' file transfers.

5) Hmmm...  I don't know what to say for this one.

Hope this helped a little.

        --Jerry

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Subject: Alternate character set
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I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol
converter.  Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch
character sets on me.  (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone
and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or
some graphical character set - I'm not sure.  I can use Kreset (alt-=) to
restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from
ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to
make this switch?  By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit.  I'm
willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with
our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support.  Any suggestions
would be greatly appreciated.


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From: [e-mail] (Frank Lofaro)
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Subject: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled?
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Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled?

I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty
it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit
detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the
communications port then.

I know how to do the ioctl's and the break checking, but it is hard to
find exactly what file and function I need to add my code to.
Just going by the file names and grepping for ioctl isn't as useful as I
had hoped.

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In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>, [e-mail] () writes:
> I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol
> converter.  Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch
> character sets on me.  (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone
> and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or
> some graphical character set - I
m not sure.  I can use Kreset (alt-=) to
> restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from
> ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to
> make this switch?  By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit.  I'm
> willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with
> our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support.  Any suggestions
> would be greatly appreciated.
---------
    Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character
sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where
these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the
item, or get your phone line fixed. I can't assist with your mainframe
terminal facilties vis VT320's so I wish you luck with that end.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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In article <3atrnt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () writes:
> We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy
> facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this
> version because of the new features and added network support. However,
> the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes
> are thus:
    <details omitted>
> WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers
> to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the
> answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so
> iff it addresses the problems we have encountered.
>
> -Darren G. Pifer
> Code 431 - NAVMASSO
> Phone: [phone]
> E-mail: [e-mail]
---------------
    I very seriously doubt that Columbia turned a deaf ear. Maybe a
little personality clash or things just got lost in the shuffle?
    As the author of MSK please send me more details directly and I
will see if we can understand some of them. [e-mail].
    Joe D.

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I have just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) under SunOS 4.0.2 and have
noted what seems to be the re-appearance of an old "feature" -
entering "stat" after "fin" gives the results for the "finish"
instead of the last file(s). I remember this being noted as a bug
years ago but it was then fixed in, I think, (179).

It's not the most serious of problems but, if I haven't missed
something, I thought that it was worth pointing out.

Ralphe Neill

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>     Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many
> coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms
> level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed
> retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal
> TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently
> encompass two or three variations from the same vendor).
>     Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs.
>     MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with
> them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were
> winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller.
> So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last
> close and to not be present until an application makes a demand.
>     Joe D.

I can use Trumpet Winsock (version 1, beta 6) and MS-Kermit, but not at
the same time, and I can switch back and forth using either one, one at
a time. I use WINPKT+ODITRPKT+ODI drivers.

A guy from New Zealand says that he is able to use Winsock and KA9Q at
the same time without stopping the other one. He is even using the same
IP address for both of them! He uses PKTMUX.

I think that XFS is a hack which allows you to have NFS and Winsock
simultaneously.

Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX,
and both stacks having the same IP number?

I see the following problems:

Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages?

How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe
add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible
on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of
course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam,
do you hear?

When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate
check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm?

Can these problems be circumvented?
--
Juhani Jaakola, [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled?
Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:09:07 GMT
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In article <3audd2$[e-mail]>,
Frank Lofaro <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled?
>
>I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty
>it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit
>detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the
>communications port then.
>
Although you did not say so, I assume you are talking about C-Kermit.

C-Kermit is a software program that runs on literally hundreds of
different platforms, and I am responsible for it, so you should
probably contact me directly.  Locally hacked versions of C-Kermit
are discouraged, as a matter of self-preservation.

- Frank



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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Trouble compiling C-Kermit
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Scott Mordecai <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix
>boxes at work.  One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a
>problem (using make iclsys5r4).
>
Running which version of UNIX?  (I'd like to confirm that it works on
DRS/NX System V R4.2.)

>The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what
>unix version it is.  On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release
>4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41".
>
This is a new one on me.  Maybe you could send me the compilation log
directory (don't post it to the newsgroup).  There is a makefile entry for
Nixdorf Targon/31 with an operating system called TOS, which is based on
System V R3, but that is probably not the same thing.  But it is a pretty
generic SVR3 version so it might be worth a try.

In any case, please let's continue this offline.  If anybody else has
some feedback about the ICL and/or Nixdorf C-Kermit versions, please come
forward.

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:31:08 GMT
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In article <3atrnt$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy
>facility...
>WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers
>to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear.
>
We get about 500 tech support requests per day by phone, email, and postal
mail.  We try to handle all of them.  We do not deliberately ignore any
queries or requests for help.  We do not turn a deaf ear, but (as Joe said)
items sometimes do get lost in the shuffle, because sometimes we are
overwhelmed by the sheer volume.

If features are broken, we want to fix them.  If features are poorly
documented, we want to improve the documentation.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Alternate character set
Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:46:59 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>,
>[e-mail] () writes:
>> I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol
>> converter.  Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to
>> switch character sets on me.
>Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character
>sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where
>these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the time...
>
It is a fundamental limitation of terminal/host communication that noise
can be generated on the communication channel that looks to the terminal
exactly like a legitimate control function.  Control functions can do
anything at all -- not just switch character sets.  You can avoid this
situation by setting up an error-corrected terminal session via SLIP, or
making a network connection instead of a serial connection, etc.  You can
minimize (but no eliminate) the risks of this on a dialup connection by
using an error-correcting modem and hardware flow control.

When you can't avoid a noisy connection, and you only care about ASCII
characters (i.e. you don't ever want to see accented letters, etc), then
you can designate ASCII to all four of Kermit's terminal character-set
tables as follows:

  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET ASCII G0 G1 G2 G3

Consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Appendix II, "Terminal Character Set
Terminology and Mechanics", pp.289-290, for details.  For further details,
read ISO standards 4873 and 2022, or a VT220 or VT320 Programmer Reference
Manual.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Leila Burrell-Davis)
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Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...)
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[e-mail] wrote:
% Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX,
% and both stacks having the same IP number?

Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock
simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is
supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is!

% I see the following problems:

% Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages?

% How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe
% add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible
% on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of
% course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam,
% do you hear?

% When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate
% check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm?

% Can these problems be circumvented?

I am not competent to answer these questions, but we don't have any
problems of this kind.

Leila
--
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Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible?
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>On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote:
>
>> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd
>> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that
>> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the
>> winsock interface.

Hello,
 there4s a program called COMt around, that redirects MS-Windows
calls to COM-Ports to the internet.
Microsoft4s  tcpip32 winsockets for Windows for Workgroups come with
DOS-programs like ping, that are redirected to the tcpip32 winsockets.
Could any programmer put these things together to build the above
mentioned shim?

  Johannes


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Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
Date: 23 Nov 1994 17:00:44 GMT
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>From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
>
>:    1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on
>:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off.
>:
>:    2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network.
>:
>:    3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.
>:
>:    4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
>:it works in 3.11 version.
>:
>:    5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem
>:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not
>:getting to the PC.
>:
>Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at...
>
>1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and
>   changes something around.  Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or
>   do you have a macro handle all of this?

I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears
to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type,

ie. tput init

That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits'
status line back. This worked in V3.13.

>2) Need more information for this one.  What type of network, etc...

I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN
is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection.
I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out.

>3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now.  Are you
>   sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your
>   mscustom.ini after upgrading?

There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here
think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of
screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so
that this one can be resolved without any testing involved.

>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.

I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files
where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?

>5) Hmmm...  I don't know what to say for this one.

I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved.

>Hope this helped a little.
>

Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas.

Darren G. Pifer
NAVMASSO - Code 431
Phone: [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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In article <3avsfs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () writes:
>>From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
    <much omitted>
>>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
>>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
>>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
>>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
>>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.
>
> I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
> set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
> the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files
> where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?

    SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients.
It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings
(client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may
wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the
client rather than sending long strings from the host.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
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In article <3b058b$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
> In article <3avsfs$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> :>From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
> :>:    3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.
> :>:
> :>:    4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
> :>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
> :>:it works in 3.11 version.
    <big chunks omitted>
> :There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here
> :think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of
> :screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so
> :that this one can be resolved without any testing involved.

    Rollback 0 has always meant, and continues to mean, no rollback
screens.

> Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding.  For as long as I can
> remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback.  In fact, give me a
> sec...  Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want
> to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says
> the same thing.
>
> :>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
> :>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
> :>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
> :>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
> :>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.
> :
> :I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
> :set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
> :the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files
> :where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?
>
> Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit:
>
> define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive
> define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),-
>   if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
>   set delay 1, apc receive,-
>   if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,-  ; Single file with as-name
>   else send \%1              ; or wildcard with no as-name
>
> Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature.  I think
> that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't
> send and out.
-------------
    Both. MSK 3.14 has command APC to send to a host, in addition to
VTxxx reception of them.
    Thanks Jerry,
    Joe D.

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In article <3avsfs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] wrote:

>I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how
>to set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that
>same on the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not
>have .ini files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of
>such?

    I can help with this one (since I've used both apc and terminalR/
    terminalS).  There's nothing to set up on the PC side with apc, no
    terminalR or terminalS macros.  That's the idea-- apc is more
    flexible.  You just have the host Kermit execute 'apc comma,
    separated,list,of,commands', and this list will be sent to the PC,
    which will execute them as though they were a comma separated list
    of commands in a macro definition.  The PC Kermit automatically
    goes to command mode when it recieves an apc, and automatically
    returns to terminal mode after it finishes executing the commands.

    The only thing that you may want to set on your PC is the 'terminal
    apc' variable.  Default is 'on', which enables "safe" commands.  If
    you want your apc to include delete, run (shell to DOS), or other
    "unsafe" commands, you need to 'set terminal apc unchecked' first.
    This itself can be done from the host, with a separate apc command.
    Note that terminal apc should be reset back to 'on' as soon as
    possible.  The apc from the host can also instruct your PC to
    execute a macro or take file you want something.

    One last little note:  If you want a backslash sent in an apc
    command (eg. directory specifications) from a Unix host, it seems
    to be necessary to escape it with a second one, or it isn't sent.

    Hope that helps.

                        Jeff

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([e-mail]) wrote:

>Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature.  I think
>that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't
>send and out.

    Quickly checking kermit.hlp for 3.13, this seems to be the case.
    This is probably because if you want to control the host Kermit
    from the PC end, you put the host Kermit in server mode.

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield)
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Subject: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download?
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First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting
my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY
SPACE" worked!!  No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow!
And, they never finish, the always fail.  I'm using a 14.4 to call up a
9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university.  Hardware flow control,
7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit
3.14,...  What else it there?

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From: [e-mail] (Alun Jenkins)
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Hello!,

I have the doubtful honour of trying to get DPS 6 kermit working
Unfortunatly i dont have a C compiler can any one help
Im running GCOS V2.0

Alun Jenkins

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In article <3avsfs$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
:>
:>:    1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on
:>:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off.
:>:
:>:    2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network.
:>:
:>:    3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1.
:>:
:>:    4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals
:>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again,
:>:it works in 3.11 version.
:>:
:>:    5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem
:>:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not
:>:getting to the PC.
:>:
:>Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at...
:>
:>1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and
:>   changes something around.  Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or
:>   do you have a macro handle all of this?
:
:I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears
:to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type,
:
:ie. tput init
:
:That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits'
:status line back. This worked in V3.13.

Okay, what's probably happening is that tput is trying to (and
succeeding at reinitializing your screen).  What you want to do is tell
tput to set the information for the host and just reset the terminal
(thus you're assuming everything on the terminal is fine--which it
should be).  So, just use the ``tput reset'' command in your .login.
The ``reset'' argument tells it to just reset the terminal instead of
reinitializing it...

:>2) Need more information for this one.  What type of network, etc...
:
:I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN
:is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection.
:I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out.
:
:>3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now.  Are you
:>   sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your
:>   mscustom.ini after upgrading?
:
:There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here
:think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of
:screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so
:that this one can be resolved without any testing involved.

Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding.  For as long as I can
remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback.  In fact, give me a
sec...  Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want
to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says
the same thing.

:>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
:>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
:>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
:>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
:>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.
:
:I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
:set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
:the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files
:where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?

Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit:

define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive
define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),-
  if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},-
  set delay 1, apc receive,-
  if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,-  ; Single file with as-name
  else send \%1              ; or wildcard with no as-name

Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature.  I think
that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't
send and out.

:>5) Hmmm...  I don't know what to say for this one.
:
:I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved.
:
:>Hope this helped a little.
:>
:Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas.

Glad to be of help.

        --Jerry

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download?
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In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>,
Kevin Anthony Stanchfield <[e-mail]> wrote:
>First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting
>my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY
>SPACE" worked!!  No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow!
>And, they never finish, the always fail.  I'm using a 14.4 to call up a
>9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university.  Hardware flow control,
>7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit
>3.14,...  What else it there?
>
Long packets.  Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000"
or thereabouts.

Control-character unprefixing.  Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file.

The real question remains: why are your transfers failing?  Let's figure
this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible.

Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file.  Then
tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG
file by e-mail to [e-mail] for analysis.

- Frank

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Sorry if this is a trivial question but...

I want to download a file from Unix to a BBS using Xmodem. I
don't have control over the protocol/software used by the BBS
machine. Here is what I did (and it didn't work...)

------- Kermit session ------

set modem hayes
set line /dev/cua1
set file type binary
set speed 9600
dial BBS_NUMBER
connect

%     Here I placed the BBS software in the recieve mode
%

% I tried

run xmodem -sbk my_file

% And

!xmodem -sbk my_file


------- End of Kermit session ------

What am I doing wrong? If someone know how to do it using tip, I'll
appreciate too.

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From [e-mail] Thu Nov 24 16:12:11 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Norman Miller)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit
Date: 24 Nov 1994 16:12:11 GMT
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Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply.  Version 3.14 is up and running
and all is well.  There were some problems with the instructions in
hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious.

The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself.  I have no trouble
using zmodem when running under 4dos.com.  The same command processor,
however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview.  Other than that,
MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen.

Norman Miller

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From: [e-mail] (Leila Burrell-Davis)
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I ([e-mail]) wrote:
% Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock
% simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is
% supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is!

And I was asked by email for details of the setup we use. In case
anyone else is interested:

If running over packet drivers I load the following before starting
Windows. I use 3 pktdrv's (I had some problems with only 2, though
that should have been enough, 1 for Kermit & 1 for Winsock)

    rmftpat2 0x78  [ packet driver for my ethernet card ]
    pktmux /i 3
    pktdrv
    pktdrv
    pktdrv

This is the odi solution we use when we also want to connect to a
NetWare server:

    lsl
    rmodiat2       [ this is odi driver for my ethernet card ]
    odipkt 1 0x78
    pktmux 3
    pktdrv
    pktdrv
    pktdrv
[then NetWare stuff]
    ipxodi
    netx
    login

And in my net.cfg I have:

Link Support
    Max Stacks 8
    buffers 8 1600
    MemPool 4096

Link Driver rmodiat2
    Frame Ethernet_802.3
    Frame Ethernet_II
    Protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3

; I have no idea if I need this next chunk but it works so I leave it in
Protocol TCPIP
    tcp_sockets     8
    udp_sockets     8
    raw_sockets     1
    nb_sessions     4
    nb_commands     8
    nb_adapter      0
    nb_domain

show dots = on
long machine type = RM_PC
file handles = 80
get local target stacks = 10
spx = 20
preferred server = CS06

Then I run Windows. Both Kermit and Winsock are in my path. Both get
their IP configuration info from a bootp server running on a unix box.

Hope this helps,

Leila
--
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From: [e-mail] (Antonio Querubin)
Subject: disabling \ translation
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I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and
outputs it to the active com port.  The problem I have is that some of the
text in the file consists of the \ character followed by numbers.  When
the line is output to the com port it will sometimes transmit translated
characters rather than the original text from the file.  For example, an
'output aaa\97128bbb' will generate 'aaa\97128bbb' while 'output
aaa\47122bbb' generates two strange characters sandwiched between 'aaa'
and 'bbb'.  Is there any way of disabling the \ translation feature
temporarily in a script?

--
Antonio Querubin
[e-mail] / [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: disabling \ translation
Date: 24 Nov 1994 18:12:09 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Antonio Querubin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and
>outputs it to the active com port.
>
Using which Kermit program, and what version?

When commenting on the behavior of a software program, it is always a
good idea to say which program it is, and which version of it.

>The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \
>character followed by numbers.  When the line is output to the com port
>it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original
>text from the file.  ...  Is there any way of disabling the \ translation
>feature temporarily in a script?
>
Yes.  In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off".  Also, in
both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you
should be able to do something like this:

  read \%a
  output \fcontents(\%a)

By the way, a similar kind of problem occurs whenever you need to refer
to DOS-like pathnames in a Kermit script.  The solutions are the same.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit
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In article <3b2e0r$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Norman Miller) writes:
> Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply.  Version 3.14 is up and running
> and all is well.  There were some problems with the instructions in
> hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious.
>
> The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself.  I have no trouble
> using zmodem when running under 4dos.com.  The same command processor,

    Look at COMSPEC= in your Environment and see  "...\4dos.com" which
means binary four to Kermit. Had 4dos.com been named fourdos.com there would
have been no problem.
    Joe D.

> however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview.  Other than that,
> MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen.


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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For Infobahn surfers, a first cut at a home page for Kermit.  The URL is:

  http://www.columbia.edu/~kermit/

Comments welcome, via email to [e-mail] -- please let's not
clog the newsgroup with discussions about home-page and HTML trivia.

I'd appreciate having pointers to this new home page added to home pages
in other locations.

And yes, I know there are no pictures of frogs.  That is on purpose;
please don't bother sending frog pictures.  Thanks.

- Frank

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Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download?
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In article <3b2f39$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>,
> Kevin Anthony Stanchfield <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting
>>my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY
>>SPACE" worked!!  No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow!
>>And, they never finish, the always fail.  I'm using a 14.4 to call up a
>>9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university.  Hardware flow control,
>>7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit
>>3.14,...  What else it there?
>>
> Long packets.  Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000"
> or thereabouts.
>
> Control-character unprefixing.  Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file.
>
> The real question remains: why are your transfers failing?  Let's figure
> this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible.
>
> Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file.  Then
> tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG
> file by e-mail to [e-mail] for analysis.
>
> - Frank

Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm
posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes.  MS-Kermit
will then go into its retry cycle.  I've had it time out, even with
retries set to 63.  Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence.

Good luck.

Troy Smith

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Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download?
Date: 24 Nov 1994 22:26:41 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm
>posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes.  MS-Kermit
>will then go into its retry cycle.  I've had it time out, even with
>retries set to 63.  Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence.
>
Right.  Of course, if the load on one or both systems is hideously
high, or the network is horribly congested, then Kermit can time out
before the expected packet comes, even though it would have come
eventually.  Here again, the user has control.  The solution is to
increase the timeout interval, rather than the retry limit.  The
trick is to avoid unnecessary retransmissions, not to increase the
number of them.  The command is "set receive timeout", which should
be given to both Kermit programs in advance of the transfer, for
example:

  set receive timeout 20

to increase the timeout interval from the default 5 seconds to
20 seconds.  If you know the connection is good, but very slow,
you can use "set receive timeout 0", meaning wait forever for
each packet, and don't time out.  For greater detail, see the
Command Summary section of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Monty)
Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP
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I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account,
I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing.
I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to
worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I
need it to do.  I'm confused.

I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with
the SLIP8250 packet driver.  Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection
to a remote host, sometimes I can't.  Apparently, the reason for this
intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal
servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing.

1.  Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing?  If so, what
_is_ "dynamic" IP addressing?  And how do I implement it?

2.  If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it
seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP.  Correct?  Is there a PPP driver
for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)?  If so, where can I find this driver?

If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really
understand what I'm asking.  I only understand that my service provider
can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications.  They
only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit".

Thanks for your help.


---
Jim Monty
[e-mail] (Internet Direct, Inc. in Phoenix, Arizona)

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Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13.
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Summary: Problem seems to be DM sequence split across segments.
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In article <[e-mail]>
   [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>    Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen
>an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the
>high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as
>IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed
>both bytes.
.....
>    If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy.

The original log I had was just the ALT Z screen from NCSA
telnet.  However, I have now done a trace with KA9Q (I couldn't
get the packet driver trace to log anything, although it has
worked before - possibly something to do with using ODIPKT now?).
There is no kermit involvement in the tracing process.

It appears that the data mark is being split between two
segments, which appears to me to be a legitimate, although
perverse, interpretation of RFC 854.

In the following, one delete, the default interrupt character, is
entered at the login prompt.  I have the kermit option
negotiation trace, and the full KA9Q trace, but it seems to me
that the options are irrelevant.  I've pruned the data from ACKs.
Using the login sequence as an example was to reduce the length
of the trace.  The symptom is easily repeatable.  (It's even
repeatable on new versions of KEATERM, but not older ones!!!)

[ A fuller trace has been sent to JRD ]



Thu Nov 24 12:51:30 1994 - et0 recv:
Ether: len 63 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP
IP: len 47 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP
TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a5f Ack x2163e01f ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 7
0030  10 00 69 f0 00 00 6c 6f 67 69 6e 3a 20 00 4e     ..ip..login: .N

>>>>> ACK

Backspace and echo sent by mistake.
Thu Nov 24 12:51:38 1994 - et0 rec
>>>>> ACK

Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 sent:
Ether: len 55 00:00:c0:2d:5f:81->00:80:0f:66:bd:8c type IP
IP: len 41 193.130.6.73->193.130.6.37 ihl 20 ttl 63 prot TCP
TCP: 1024->23 Seq x2163e020 Ack xa4559a67 ACK PSH Wnd 11680 Data 1
0030  2d a0 2f 60 00 00 7f                             - /`...
========================^^=============================================DEL

Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv:
Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP
IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP
TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a67 Ack x2163e021 URG ACK PSH Wnd 4096 UP x1 Data 1
==========================================^^^
0030  10 00 cc dd 00 01 ff 00 20 20 20 20 20           ..L]....
========================^^=============================================IAC

<<<<< ACK

>>>>> ACK

Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv:
Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP
IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP
TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a68 Ack x2163e021 ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 1
0030  10 00 d9 fd 00 00 f2 00 20 20 20 20 20           ..Y}..r.
========================^^===============================================DM

>>>>> ACK

--
David Woolley, London, England                     [e-mail]
Demon supplies me with IP/SMTP/NNTP.  *.demon hosts are independently managed.

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Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Monty) writes:
> I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account,
> I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing.
> I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to
> worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I
> need it to do.  I'm confused.
>
> I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with
> the SLIP8250 packet driver.  Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection
> to a remote host, sometimes I can't.  Apparently, the reason for this
> intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal
> servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing.
>
> 1.  Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing?  If so, what
> _is_ "dynamic" IP addressing?  And how do I implement it?

    It is not a client option. It is how the other side may choose
to hand out IP addresses to clients. SLIP has no provision to supply
this via a protocol transfer so you may need to read it off the screen or
similar. Dynamic in this case means drawn from a pool of IP addresses on
some server machine.
    Cicso terminal servers support bootp over SLIP and that will provide
the information. I have no idea about other host connections.

> 2.  If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it
> seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP.  Correct?  Is there a PPP driver
> for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)?  If so, where can I find this driver?

    See above. PPP can do the same. However, there is no formal way
of transferring that information to the overlying TCP/IP protocol stack.
Each vendor has different methods (if any). MS-DOS Kermit can obtain that
information from the DOS Environment and from Novell's NET.CFG file for
the case of Telebit PPP drivers.
    Bootp may or may not work in your environment.

> If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really
> understand what I'm asking.  I only understand that my service provider
> can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications.  They
> only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit".
    Then you need a better service provider. Winsock means TCP/IP
stack, Windows or not, and thus the problem is exactly the same for DOS
and Windows.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Icon contest
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Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  Should
have a professional look, and should suggest Kermit's use as a
communications program (with perhaps a hint at its networking, graphics,
and/or international character-set capabilities, and/or speed and
flexibility, etc).

No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any
other kind of animal, puppet, or cartoon character, although graphical
puns (not too obscure) on "3.14" might not be ruled out(*).  Judging and
selection will be arbitrary and capricious.  The winner will get full
credit in the KERMIT\WINDOWS\READ.ME file.

- Frank

(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit
    will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263...

From [e-mail] Sat Nov 26 03:33:37 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Character-set stories needed
Date: 26 Nov 1994 03:33:37 GMT
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For Kermit News #6, due out soon(er or later), we'd like to collect some
stories, testimonials, quotes, and/or evidence of the usefulness of the
character-set conversion capabilities found in MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit,
and IBM Mainframe Kermit.

If you are using these capabilities in terminal connection / emulation
(i.e. CONNECT mode) or in text-mode file transfer, please drop a note via
email to [e-mail] and let us know.  We'd like to hear from
everybody, but we'd especially like to hear from people in Eastern Europe and
the former Soviet Union about the Latin-2 and Cyrillic capabilities, since we
have received, until now, so little feedback on these: how do people in the
Czech Republic or Poland or Hungary deal with the incompatibility of Code
Page 852 and ISO Latin-2 in their data communications if not with Kermit?
How do Russians, Bielorussians, Ukranians, and Bulgarians convert among the
KOI8, Short KOI, ISO Latin/Cyrillic, DKOI, etc, encodings for Cyrillic text
if not with Kermit?

We know, for example, that Russian newsgroups are in KOI8, but Russian PCs
use "Alternative Cyrillic" a.k.a. CP866 -- MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit handle
this fine, although the complete package -- fonts, keyboard drivers, complete
mappings, etc -- was not included in the basic package until version 3.14.

What about Poland -- I see there are some pl.* Polish newsgroups, but I can't
get access to them from here.  What character sets are used, etc?

But like I said, more commonplace stories are welcome too, from Western
Europe, Latin America, Canada -- anywhere.  Japan and Israel are pretty well
covered, but if are using Kermit's Hebrew and Kanji capabilities and we
haven't heard from you, feel free to jump in!

And if you have any other Amazing Stories involving Kermit software, send
them in too -- get published!

Thanks.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Antonio Querubin)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
: Antonio Querubin <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and
: >outputs it to the active com port.
: >
: Using which Kermit program, and what version?

Kermit 3.14, latest beta downloaded today.

: >The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \
: >character followed by numbers.  When the line is output to the com port
: >it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original
: >text from the file.  ...  Is there any way of disabling the \ translation
: >feature temporarily in a script?
: >
: Yes.  In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off".  Also, in
: both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you
: should be able to do something like this:

:   read \%a
:   output \fcontents(\%a)

Actually I have something like this in a loop:

read \%l
output \Fcontents(\%l)\13

and the file contains:
94BQ011XXX UAR\47122  OSAN AB
94BQ011XXX UAR\47142  TAEGU

The \47122 and \47142 get sent as two control characters.



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From: "John G. Miles" <[e-mail]>
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Subject: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A
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Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using
MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the
university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics
graphics terminal.  If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode)
to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed
without problem.

However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I
prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my
graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the
tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an
IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands.
It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but
immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics
commands.  Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get
anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid
multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type
are still getting through to the Unix box).  I end up having to type
"exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as
indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode.

I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I
understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is
seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode.  But everything I've
tried has been unsuccessful.

Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video
card which is a Trident SVGA)?  I'm not Kermit-proficient so any
pointers, however basic, would be helpful.  Please e-mail me personally
as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as
often as I'd like).

--John Miles
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Mordecai)
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I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix
boxes at work.  One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a
problem (using make iclsys5r4).

The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what
unix version it is.  On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release
4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41".

Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile.
I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings
and finally and fails completely.  I was going to include all the messages
here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first.

Any ideas?

--
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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 26 15:45:47 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: Re: Icon contest
Date: 26 Nov 1994 10:45:47 -0500
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In article <3b5u0p$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
:
:Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  Should

[stuff deleted]

:No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any

[stuff deleted]

So the no frog rule, is this because we want kermit to appears more
``professional'' or is it to avoid and form of lawsuit (or both)?

:(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit
:    will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263...

Isn't this the naming scheme that all of us TeX/LaTeX users have grown
to love when it comes to Knuth's TeX engine.  Hey, couldn't hurt here
too!  8)

        --Jerry

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From [e-mail] Sat Nov 26 20:10:39 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Monty)
Subject: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13
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I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc.
(etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to
my Internet service provider.  Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit
3.13, patch level 17, and do this:

MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10
MS-Kermit>connect
 Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ...

 Unable to contact the host.
 The host may be down or a gateway may be needed.
?Cannot start the connection.
MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com
MS-Kermit>connect
 Resolving address of host indirect.com ...
  trying name indirect.com
  Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3
 Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com
?Cannot start the connection
MS-Kermit>

I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250.  Is it not
possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit?  If it is
possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem?

Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated.


---
Jim Monty
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Joe R. Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Monty <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc.
>(etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to
>my Internet service provider.  Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit
>3.13, patch level 17, and do this:
>
>MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10
>MS-Kermit>connect
> Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ...
>
> Unable to contact the host.
> The host may be down or a gateway may be needed.
>?Cannot start the connection.
>MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com
>MS-Kermit>connect
> Resolving address of host indirect.com ...
>  trying name indirect.com
>  Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3
> Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com
>?Cannot start the connection
>MS-Kermit>
>
>I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250.  Is it not
>possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit?  If it is
>possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem?
>
>Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated.
------------------
    PPP is, um, a Point to Point protocol. Only two stations on such
links, this one and the other one. Thus the only way off the wire is
through the "other one." This in turn implies two important things:
    1. ARP doesn't work or even apply because that's a physical layer
broadcast to obtain the physical address of other stations on the wire
(having the same IP "network" number but different IP "host" numbers).
    2. All, and that means ALL, stations are reached via the "other
one", and hence the "other one" is the IP Gateway for all outbound traffic.
    2 corollary. The IP network is confined to two stations, us and the
"other end." Thus the wire can hold 165.247.1.us and 165.247.1.them and that's
it. All other stations must be on a different IP network number and reached
via the "other end" as a gateway. This includes name servers etc.
    The "other end" must be prepared as an IP router, or else you will
need to log into the other end and create a Telnet session there which goes
onward.
    I'm happy to hear that you got the Merit PPP driver to work at all.
It hangs my machine during its startup every time I'm tried it, well before
Kermit is started. I have no idea of what's inside that serial driver or
how it really represents itself to programs (it hangs my machine...).
    So, I suggest you talk with your service provider about IP numbers
of your link and tell Kermit about the gateway IP number and proper subnet
mask. Nameservers can be anywhere in the world.
    Joe D.





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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
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Subject: Re: HELP: HP95 Kermit
Date: 27 Nov 1994 17:21:08 GMT
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In article <3babi9$[e-mail]>,
Hajo Brunne <[e-mail]> wrote:
|i want to use kermit for filetransfer from HP to unix (ckermit)
|
|I run ckermit on unix in server mode, but i can not send multiple
|files (c:\_dat\*.txt or something like that), the send command
|in the HP built in option will not allow me to select more than one
|file.
|
|The other way starting HP95LX kermit in server mode and trying to
|get more than one file by a get command from ckermit fails also
|
|i.e get c:\123\*.wk1 results in an error:
|
|File does not exist!
|
|Transfering one file only or using wildcards in c:\
|(i.e. get c:\*.*) works fine! Is HP's Software buggy?

Seeing as how the HP95 is essentially an XT-compatible computer, I would
download MS-Kermit 3.13 from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit.  Lean,
fast program; rock-solid terminal emulation and (more importantly) the
definitive implementation of the Kermit protocol.  I've crossposted this
to comp.protocols.kermit.misc for more info.

--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  ([e-mail])|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell

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I cant seem to delete in vt100 emulation. When I hook up, I can delete
letters, but after the link is established I cannot delete. Can anyone help me?
--
             -Eli Selkin C/O
    Carl Selkin Acting Dean of the School of Arts and Letters
     Please Respond to me   (e-MAIL ADDRESS ):
        [e-mail]

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Hello Kermit people,

I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The
terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my
screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With
'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same
kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried
this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like
reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control
none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal
to VT 100, but the problem still exists.
The host sends sequences like <ESC>[7m, <ESC>[m and <ESC>[27m. Is there a
way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the
settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine?

FYI:
MS-Kermit 3.13, patch level 12
Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4)
Parity: none, databits: 8, one stopbit
MS-DOS 6.0
Computer: Compaq Contura 4/25

Hope someone can put a light on this problem.
Thanks!

Peter van der Kamp
[e-mail]

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From: Helmut Stoecklin <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit AS400 implementation ???
Date: 28 Nov 1994 11:40:02 GMT
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Help ...
Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the filed
?? Any comment is appreciated.
Thanks's in advance,
Hans Rehfeld

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Matthews)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A
Date: 28 Nov 1994 13:22:34 GMT
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John G. Miles ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using
: MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the
: university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics
: graphics terminal.  If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode)
: to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed
: without problem.

: However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I
: prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my
: graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the
: tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an
: IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands.


You application may not generate the necessary codes to invoke the
Tektronix mode.  Here is the sequence of codes I have my applications
send to invoke Tek emulation on a variety of emulators.  It is a bit
more than MS-Kermit needs, but will work with MS-Kermit, NCSA Telnet,
and Xterm (on an X server).  All codes in decimal:

    27,91,63,51,56,104,27,12

Try launching your application from a script file that first sends the
above codes.

If you need any help in generating the above codes, let me know.

--
Rick Matthews                     [e-mail]            Ham radio:
Wake Forest University            910-759-5340   (Voice)      WA4GSP
Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507      910-759-6142   (FAX)


From [e-mail] Mon Nov 28 13:50:51 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation
Date: 28 Nov 1994 13:50:51 GMT
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In article <3bc2kv$[e-mail]>,
Peter - INL <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN
> machine). The terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as
> Pine, NN and Lynx, my screen becomes a mess. I think because they use
> reverse video codes. With 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another
> guy on this group had the same kind of problem and he was advised to set
> flow control to rts/cts. I tried this too, but it didn't help. I tried a
> lot of other things like reliable link with compression, reliable link
> without compression, flow control none, flow control xon/xoff, flow
> control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal to VT 100, but the problem
> still exists.  The host sends sequences like <ESC>[7m, <ESC>[m and
> <ESC>[27m. Is there a way to let Kermit interpret these sequences
> correctly?
>
Kermit does interpret these sequences correctly, as all of its users will
testify.  I, for one, use it every day in exactly the same environment as
you (dialup thru high-speed modem to a Sun, running applications like trn,
Lynx, MM, and EMACS) and it works perfectly.  So something else must be
wrong.

Are you sure that Kermit and the Sun are both set to the same terminal
type (vt220)?

Does your PC have a buffered UART?  If not, then you probably should not
try to use interface speeds above a certain level, depending on (a) how
fast your CPU is, and (b) whether your PC is running DOS or Windows.
If you are running Kermit under Windows, you REALLY need a buffered UART.

> What must be the settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun
> machine?
>
Flow control is probably the correct answer.  Remember, flow control is
a game that needs two players.  Telling Kermit to "set flow rts/cts" is
not enough -- you have to tell your modem to do it too.

> Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4)
>
I never heard of this kind of modem, so I can't tell you how to operate
it.  My best advice is:

 1. Get MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta.  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
    directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip
    with "-d" switch.  Install according to directions in the top-level
    READ.ME file.

 2. Look at one of our high-speed modem dialing scripts in the MODEMS
    subdirectory; say, ZYXEL.SCR.  Sit down with your Victory modem manual
    and adapt the script to use Victory modem commands.

Assuming your modem works right, this will ensure that Kermit and the
modem have optimal settings for each other.  If you wind up with a good
dialing script, you might want to post it for the benefit of other Victory
modem users.

Also, be sure to read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the diskette --
it contains troubleshooting instructions for just about every imagineable
problem.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit AS400 implementation ???
Date: 28 Nov 1994 14:02:12 GMT
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In article <3bcfii$mgq$[e-mail]>,
Helmut Stoecklin  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the field?
>
Of all the computers and operating systems in the world, there are only
a couple for which nobody has ever written any Kermit software, and the
AS/400 (and its predecessors, the Systems /34, /36, and /38) is one of
them.  Evidently this line of computers must be very hard to program;
from what little I know about them, everything is "different" -- the
text character set (it's not ASCII), the file system (probably record-
oriented), the communication methods (some kind of bizarre proprietary
"twinax" block-mode affair).  But we have hurdled such obstacles before
in the IBM mainframe world, thus we have the experience and know what is
required.

We get this question frequently, so there is definitely a big demand.
But we do not have an AS/400 ourselves for development, and even if we
did, we don't have a programmer to do the work.  Back in the early days
of the Kermit project, there were dozens of sites developing Kermit
software for every imagineable platform.  Maybe it's time to revive
that early spirit.

Anybody who is seriously interested in developing a Kermit program for
the AS/400 (or porting an existing program, such as C-Kermit) should
contact me.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Simeone Stephen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Super Kermit
Date: 28 Nov 1994 16:10:03 GMT
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Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit.  I'm not
familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to
use it instead.

Thanks !

--


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From [e-mail] Mon Nov 28 19:43:14 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Super Kermit
Date: 28 Nov 1994 19:43:14 GMT
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In article <3bcvcr$[e-mail]>,
Simeone Stephen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit.  I'm not
>familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to
>use it instead.

Sorry, but SuperKermit is just a non-Columbia University implementation
of sliding windows protocol.  The best Kermit protocols are those included
within MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, C-Kermit 5A(190), and VM/CMS Kermit (version ?).

These packages implement sliding windows, extended length packets, WHATAMI
negotiation, and RESEND for binary files.

- Jeff

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] ()
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Date: 28 Nov 1994 20:52:18 GMT
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In article <3avsfs$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] () writes:
>>>From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
>>>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore.  Check the *.upd and
>>>   *.bwr files.  Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command
>>>   codes.  If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch
>>>   of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do
>>>   ``one-sided'' file transfers.
>>
>> I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to
>> set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on
>> the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini
>> files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such?

>    SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients.
> It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings
> (client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may
> wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the
> client rather than sending long strings from the host.
>    Joe D.

When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to download
a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file and execute a
local PC application. The following two lines are out of the mskermit.ini
file:

define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT
define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe,
FINISH, CONNECT

The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new built-in
command. However, I do not see how the second would be done.

Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we
have to get V 189?

Darren Pifer
Code 431 - NAVMASSO
Phone: [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A
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In article <[e-mail]>, "John G. Miles" <[e-mail]> writes:
> Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using
> MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the
> university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics
> graphics terminal.  If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode)
> to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed
> without problem.
>
> However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I
> prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my
> graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the
> tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an
> IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands.
> It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but
> immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics
> commands.  Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get
> anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid
> multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type
> are still getting through to the Unix box).  I end up having to type
> "exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as
> indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode.
>
> I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I
> understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is
> seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode.  But everything I've
> tried has been unsuccessful.
>
> Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video
> card which is a Trident SVGA)?  I'm not Kermit-proficient so any
> pointers, however basic, would be helpful.  Please e-mail me personally
> as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as
> often as I'd like).
>
> --John Miles
> [e-mail]
----------
    I recall replying to you privately John.
    I can't help from the above description alone. The Kermit
documentation explains which commands in VT320 mode will trigger a
change to Tek mode, and it's a necessarily restrictive set. ESC Control-L
(ESCape Form Feed) is the most common mode, meaning Tek screen clear.
ESC [ ? 38 h  will too, as will starting a DEC Sixel graphics command.
    My suggestion is to capture a sample session to a log file via
LOG SESSION filename. Then send me the uuencoded file with commentary
on what should have happened when so I can dig into the bits.
    I will also repeat a warning which results from seeing those
funny colored blobs in VT320 mode. It is to never let anything use
video memory, A000-BFFF, because it's video territory. I will guess
that you may have let a memory manager sneak down there by mistake.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ross Garrett Cutler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How do you redial in kermit?
Date: 29 Nov 1994 00:33:35 GMT
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Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit?
Is there a script that does this?  Thanks.

--
Ross Cutler
University of Maryland, College Park
Internet: [e-mail]

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    I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for
    downloading a compressed backup archive.  I usually keep terminal
    apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one
    script.  I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13,
    because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as
    an apc from the host.  With 3.14, trying to do this produces a
    '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error.  Isn't this a little bit
    too much security?  Can someone suggest a workaround (besides
    manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a
    script to do it all automatically)?  TIA for your help,

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Brian Wirt)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit
Date: 29 Nov 1994 07:37:43 GMT
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Hello all,

It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer
files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas,
the time is here yet again.

My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to
optimize download speed.  I seem to recall setting the packet length or
something.  If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it.  I remember
two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about
200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem.  Can anyone tell me how to obtain
this speed or even better?

Please respond via email, and thanks for any replies!
--
Brian Wirt
[e-mail]
Seattle, Washington

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems
Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:02:01 GMT
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In article <3bdfu2$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to
> download a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file
> and execute a local PC application. The following two lines are out of
> the mskermit.ini file:
>
>  define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT
>  define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe,
>  FINISH, CONNECT
>
> The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new
> built-in command. However, I do not see how the second would be done.
>
You can do absolutely anything with APC, but there are always risks when
computer A lets applications on computer B issue commands to it.  That's
why we have three levels of security on APCs.  By default, they are not
allowed at all, for paranoia's sake, since almost any command, when
issued maliciously, might be harmful.  So the MS-DOS Kermit user must
issue "set terminal apc on" to enable the APC mechanism at all.

This is a change from version 3.13, where TERMINAL APC was ON by
default, due to user feedback.  However, TERMINAL APC ON only allows
what are deemed "safe" commands (such as file transfer commands), and
disallows commands that are by their very nature unsafe (such as DELETE
and RUN).  That's why your second example doesn't work.  To allow RUN
commands in APCs, the MS-DOS Kermit user must SET TERMINAL APC
UNCHECKED, which is obviously risky.

There is, however, still a TERMINALR/TERMINALS-like mechanism in MS-DOS
Kermit, namely the PRODUCT macro, which allows the host application to
invoke a user-defined macro, and even pass arguments to it.  See pages
181-182 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".

>Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we
>have to get V 189?
>
Any application can issue an APC command.  It just sends ESC,
underscore, text, ESC, backslash.  In C-Kermit 5A(188) you can
easily define a macro to do this:

  define apc echo \27_\%1\27\92

which you can use like this:

  apc { first command, second command, etc }

Of course it's always better to run an up-to-date version of C-Kermit.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit?
Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:05:29 GMT
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In article <3bdssv$[e-mail]>,
Ross Garrett Cutler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit?
>Is there a script that does this?  Thanks.
>
If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is
install it according to instructions.  The DIAL macro that is
supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the
appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Hurwit <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for
>    downloading a compressed backup archive.  I usually keep terminal
>    apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one
>    script.  I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13,
>    because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as
>    an apc from the host.  With 3.14, trying to do this produces a
>    '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error.  Isn't this a little bit
>    too much security?  Can someone suggest a workaround (besides
>    manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a
>    script to do it all automatically)?  TIA for your help,
>
We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution.  There is a
basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such as
your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from
malicious attacks.

If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application,
then there would *be* no security.

On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less
than disaster.

You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think
about passwords.  You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk
far outweighs the convenience.  Thus whenever you run your login script,
you have it prompt you for your password.  Similarly, you shoul SET TERM
APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back to ON
afterwards.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit
Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:21:12 GMT
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In article <3belo7$[e-mail]>,
Brian Wirt <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer
>files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas,
>the time is here yet again.
>
>My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to
>optimize download speed.  I seem to recall setting the packet length or
>something.  If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it.  I remember
>two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about
>200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem.  Can anyone tell me how to obtain
>this speed or even better?
>
Reposting (and slightly updating):

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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Binh Anson) writes:
> I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found
> that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow!
> I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to
> Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ?
>
Yes.

But first, welcome to comp.protocols.kermit.misc.  This is the first
day of operation of this unmoderated newsgroup.  I hope it will prove
beneficial to all Kermit users.

To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is
Asked so Frequently :-) ...

Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit
transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of
the box, when it works it goes fast.  The tradeoff is that it often does
not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways --
escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc.  In some cases
it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the
connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends.

Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files --
out of the box, even under hostile conditions.  By default, it does not
assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large
buffers are available.  It does not even assume a full-duplex connection.
The tradeoff is speed.

In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from
perfect.  7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are
very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications
processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively,
telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array
of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and
services.  Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs
have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy.
The list goes on.  This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default
tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified
reputation for dependability.

Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its
reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness:

  Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning.

However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit
by changing a few parameters.  But first, here are some general principles
that apply to all communications software:

 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at
    every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file
    transfer protocol).  For example, when using high-speed,
    error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow
    control, most commonly RTS/CTS.  You have to tell the software to use
    it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow
    control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will
    be lost.

 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it.  Fix the
    interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if
    possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface
    speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to
    be wasted.

 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off
    flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method
    supplies fully effective flow control.

Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps:

 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial
    packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the
    performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to
    control them.

 2. Use long packets.  Kermit's default packet length is 94.  You can
    increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024.  Give the following
    command to the file receiver:

      SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000  ; (or other length)

    The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer
    will be... IF IT WORKS.  If you make packets longer than some buffer
    somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the
    transfer might not work.  Also, the longer the packet, the greater
    the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to
    retransmit.

 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows.  Sliding windows
    allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than
    "stop and wait" style.  The command is:

      SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number)

    The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation).  Give
    this command to *both* Kermit programs.

For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very
good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range.  For compressed
files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out
another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of
control characters.  A typical sequence might be:

  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL  ;  Unprefix all control characters.
  SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ...  ; Add back prefixes for these.

This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a
communication software program can know what characters are safe and
which ones are not on a particular connection.  For example, you might be
going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD
prompt.  Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where
Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt.  Or the
connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a
data character might freeze the connection.

If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window
sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to,
and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix,
Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a
V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600
bps interface speed:

  Typical text files:        3500 cps (characters per second)
  Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE)
  Compressed files:          1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files)

These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via
anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file
newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript).  Also see newsn4.txt (.ps)
for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows.

Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu
[128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories.  There are
literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine
and operating system imaginable.  The most widely used Kermit programs
are:

 . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows.
   No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this
   is the Kermit software we recommend for Windows.
   File: kermit/archives/msvib.zip.
   MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip.
   Unzip with "-d" switch.

 . C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc.
   UNIX: kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz)
   VMS: Get kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there.
   OS/2: kermit/archives/cko190.zip.
   Others: Get kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, go from there.

 . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC.
   kermit/b/ik*.*.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel S. Lewart)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug
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Here is a weird MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug:
    MS-Kermit>set duplex f<Esc>
    MS-Kermit>set duplex f<Esc>
The first time "f<Esc>" properly expands to "full ", but the second time
it expands to "full\13".  How's that for an esoteric one?

By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over
NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE?

Thank you,
Daniel Lewart
[e-mail]

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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300.
: Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all.

: If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit
: makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see
: where else I can get one made.  (No, we do not have an example of every
: computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness
: of others"...

: - Frank

To the unknown (to me) person who placed the 3B1 Kermit binaries for
5A(190) in kermit/bin:

             THANK YOU

Enjoy.

Bill

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug
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>...
>By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over
>NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE?
>
Yes.

This will be fixed in Beta-15.

- Frank

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Hi,

I run kermit on my UNIX system as a replacement for tip. I typically start
up kermit "from the keyboard", the .kermrc points it at my modem attached
to one of my machine's serial ports, I type "c" to connect to the modem
and it's straightforward terminal interaction from their. When I log
out of my remote host and my modem disconnects, I am bounced back to the
the local Kermit> prompt. Fine for many years.

But now I would like to use that same line and modem for uucp dial-outs and
dial-ins as well. I could quit Kermit, and kermit would remove its lock files
and give up the line and I'd be all set. But I've been doing that for months
now, and seem to forget to exit Kermit explicitely all too often. It would
be nice if Kermit automatically exited gracefully on loss of carrier detect:
nicer still (I think?) if it relinquished the tty line and removed its
lock but did not exit upon loss of carrier.

Can I configure kermit to behave this way? If not "out of the box",
any pointers toward hacking a solution? I'd bet there's a one-line solution.

Thanks in advance!

-Jeff

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I am looking for informatioin on implementation of Kermit long packets.
Where should I look at? Thanks.

-- Marco Papa


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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3bdssv$[e-mail]>,
: Ross Garrett Cutler <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit?
: >Is there a script that does this?  Thanks.
: >
: If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is
: install it according to instructions.  The DIAL macro that is
: supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the
: appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically.

Actually, I use c-kermit.  Any scripts for that?  Thanks.

--
Ross Cutler
University of Maryland, College Park
Internet: [e-mail]

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On Tue, 29 Nov 1994 [e-mail] wrote:
> The only complaint I have, is
> that you cannot scroll back like you can with some other packages. (Or can
> you?  I don't know how.)

First, make sure you're running the latest version (3.13 is the latest
production version; 3.14 is in solid beta.  Both are available at
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit, or http://kermit.columbia.edu/)

To turn screen rollback on, put

SET TERM ROLLBACK ON

in your mscustom.ini file.  Then put

SET ROLLBACK xxxx (where xxxx=# between 1 and 8000)

to govern how many screens will be remembered.  By default, the grey PageUp
and PageDown keys will be used to scroll up and down--if you don't like
this, you can redefine the keys.

> I use GSZ, a Zmodem implementation, to download files -- I find it faster
> than Kermit.  On the other hand, I have frequently had difficulty
> downloading using Zmodem, and then I download the same file effortlessly,
> although more slowly, using Kermit.  Why is it more robust?

Kermit is a very cautious protocol.  It "escapes" or sort of specially-marks
all unusual control characters so they'll cross any link, whether a dialup
to a BBS, dialup to a university Unix system through a terminal server, or
whatever.  (This is one of the reasons for Kermit's slower performance
compared to Zmodem.) By contrast, ZModem was originally designed for 8-bit
clean lines (e.g., the kind of connection you get calling a BBS over the
phone).  It escapes no control characters at all (though this can be
changed--see your ZModem docs).  You can experiment with only escaping the
control characters on Kermit that cause problems for your system; this will
help your throughput a lot.  Get the Kermit 3.14 beta--it has a document,
PERFORM.DOC, that details all this and more.

> *  I have heard, and you mention the same, that Kermit is only marginally
> slower than Zmodem "if the settings are right".  I have tweaked the packet
> sizes, but I'm really only shooting in the dark.  I have seen faster
> transfers with longer packets, and my Unix machine, from which I sometimes
> down / upload, prompts me to change BLOCKS.  What are all these
> parameters, and what do I set them to? (And how do I know that is what I
> need to set them to?)

Blocks, for Kermit, refer to checksum schemes.  Type SET BLOCK 3 on both
your side and on the university's side; it'll help accuracy.

The 3.14 beta makes big improvements on all these fronts--not only is there
the PERFORM.DOC, plus more discussion of this "Most Frequently Asked
Question" in the main documentation (KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.BWR), but there are
also some basic macros that will set things to go a lot faster than normal
automatically.

> *  I currently PUSH out of Kermit, and then run a batch file to download
> using Zmodem.  It works fine, but is cumbersome.  I have had many problems
> uploading, though, and I have a feeling it may be due to the PUSHing.  Is
> there a way to use Zmodem straight out of Kermit's bowels?  What Zmodem
> protocol implementation do you use?  Is there a freeware version? (Where
> do I find it?)

Yes.  I have these lines in my mscustom.ini file;

define rz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha on port 1 G rz -mrr
define sz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha both port 1 G sz -Q^ -m \%1 \%2,

Type the above lines _exactly_, including the case; just substitute in the
filepath of your ZModem program (I'd recommend you find and use dsz.exe;
it's quicker than gsz.com or dsz.com.).  The '-Q^' is required on my system
to escape a control code that causes problems for my server; it tells ZModem
to escape ASCII code 30, '^^'.  It probably won't be the same with your
system; take that part out and see how things work out.  Talk to your
sysadmins about what control characters need to be escaped on uploads and
downloads.  Anyways, with these commands you can just type 'sz xyz.txt' and
'rz' to up/download right from the MS-Kermit command line.

> I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Hope this helps.  I'll also crosspost this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc,
Kermit HQ on Usenet.

--   _____________________________________________________________________
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In article <3bfd3p$[e-mail]>, Frank da Cruz
([e-mail]) wrote:

>We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution.  There is
>a basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such
>as your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from
>malicious attacks.

>If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application,
>then there would *be* no security.

>On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less
>than disaster.

>You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think
>about passwords.  You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk
>far outweighs the convenience.  Thus whenever you run your login
>script, you have it prompt you for your password.  Similarly, you shoul
>SET TERM APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back
>to ON afterwards.

    Um, ok, I can accept this argument as far as it goes.  But, problem
    is, if a macro or take file is invoked with an apc command, any
    "unsafe" operations called for in those are also disabled.  So,
    while I can understand wanting to protect some innocent user from a
    malicious script or some such, what about having apc commands invoke
    scripts that others are unlikely to know about?  Example:  The
    script on my host account sends a compressed backup file,
    backup.tgz, as backup.tmp.  The script on my PC receives the
    transfer and, *if the transfer succeeds*, deletes the already
    existing backup.tgz and renames backup.tmp to backup.tgz.  Would an
    option to set apc unchecked for scripts only make any sense?  If
    not, I guess I could always put the command in a macro and then bind
    it to a key...

                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Timur Tabi)
Subject: can't get this script to work
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I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting
feature to automate logins.  Unfortunately, it's not working.  The "telnet"
line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that
comes in.

Here's the script:

telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com
input 10 login:
output timur\13

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Timur Tabi <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting
>feature to automate logins.  Unfortunately, it's not working.  The "telnet"
>line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that
>comes in.
>
>Here's the script:
>
>telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com
>input 10 login:
>output timur\13
>

Use:

set host tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com
input 10 login:
output timur\13
connect
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Cheimets)
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I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved
things greatly.  I don't have a benchmark though.  I was on a 9600baud line,
and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file
in 28 seconds).  Is that fast?

What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was
supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression.

thanks
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From: [e-mail] (Lance Arnder)
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Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for
C-Kermit?  I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit
but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000.  The input command
intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it
doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call
failed 'line BUSY'") - therefore I can't test to see if the line
I'm dialing is busy.  I realize that this is a solved problem but
it is frustrating me beyond its importance.

Thanks a priori,

Lance Arnder
Imaging Physics Laboratory, Duke University
Dept. of Radiology, UNC-CH



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I wrote a C-Kermit script for someone here at work to log onto
a machine via modem and send a mail and then log back off to
minimize the time on the modem.  A command procedure (DCL)
builds the commands that get executed by C-Kermit.

To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like
":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems.  Below is
a test I performed that gives me the same error.

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3)
C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {123},show macro arglist}
1=(123) 2=() 3=()

arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3)
C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist}
?No keywords match - glist

-----------------------------
I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly
what is causing the problem.  What can I do to alleviate
this weirdness?

Also I noticed that my version of C-Kermit doesn't
perform a LF when it does its first output (the above
was slightly edited).  It really would have looked
like this on my screen.

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3)
1=(123) 2=() 3=()ess {arglist {123},show macro arglist}

------------------------
Where after the "def arglist..." I did the same "xif" as
shown above.  I imagine this is a small bug and not big
deal to fix.  Just wanted to point it out.

Thanks for your help in advance.

    Erik
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From: [e-mail] (Brad Bell)
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I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS
VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends.

When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is brought
over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on the
files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that?

Thanks in advance....
Brad.

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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Hulsey)
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Greetings!

We're currently running C-Kermit 5a(189) under OpenVMS 1.5.  We have a
number of users who are using older versions of Persoft's comm programs
SmarTerm 220 and SmarTerm 240 on their pc's.  Unfortunately, these
programs' implementations of kermit don't work properly when trying to
GET a file from C-Kermit when it is in server mode.  Every other kermit
file transfer appears to work ok between SmarTerm and C-Kermit, i.e.,
interactive (non-server mode) send/receive operations work fine in both
directions.  SEND transfers with C-Kermit in server mode seems to work ok
as well.  Only GETs from C-Kermit fail.

I understand from a post that I received from Frank da Cruz regarding
this that many comm packages simply don't follow the kermit protocol the
way they should, but I'd still like to try to get it to work if possible.
I do have packet logs from attempted GET transfers using SmarTerm 240
(which doesn't work) and SmarTerm 340 (which does work), and SmarTerm 240
does send a strange packet up front which SmarTerm 340 does not (the
strange packet is <SOH>#N3<CR> ).  Quite a few users are a little
concerned about this since everything worked fine before we moved from
Kermit-32 version 3.3.111 on a VAX to C-Kermit on an Alpha processor.

If anyone has found a workaround for this problem, please let me know.
At this point, I don't want to tell everyone they have to upgrade their
comm software or switch them over to something else, but I suppose that I
will if I have to...

Also, I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit
software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book.  Is Kermit-32 a
'legitimate' member of the Kermit family?

All help is greatly appreciated...thanks!

Bruce Hulsey
Univ. of Arkansas for Medical Sciences
[e-mail]
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Peter Cheimets ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved
: things greatly.  I don't have a benchmark though.  I was on a 9600baud line,
: and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file
: in 28 seconds).  Is that fast?

: What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was
: supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression.

: thanks

I have Kermit set to a packet size of 1024 with sliding windows set to
4.  Running on a 9600 line, I regularly get transfer rates of about 1150
cps.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3bgknu$[e-mail]>,
Lance Arnder <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for
>C-Kermit?  I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit
>but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000.  The input command
>intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it
>doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call
>failed 'line BUSY'")
>
Here is a very simple one:

  define keep_on_dialing dial \%1, while fail { sleep 30, redial }

You should also be able to adapt MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts very
easily.  If the INPUT command is not reading messages from the modem,
then maybe the modem is not issuing the messages.  For example, it
might be in "silent mode" or numeric-response mode.  Or maybe you
need to add the following command to your script program before
attempting to do i/o with the modem's command processor:

  SET CARRIER OFF

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Discard Date Question.
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In article <[e-mail]>, Brad Bell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS
>VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends.
>
The current version is 5A(190).

>When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is
>brought over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on
>the files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that?
>
If you don't want this to happen, then tell either one of the two Kermit
programs to:

  SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF

It's in the manuals (both of them).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help with SmarTerm 2xx and C-Kermit
Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:40:11 GMT
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In article <3bie1h$[e-mail]>,
Bruce Hulsey <[e-mail]> wrote:
>... I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit
>software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book.  Is Kermit-32 a
>'legitimate' member of the Kermit family?
>
It used to be, but the people who wrote and maintained it -- Bob
McQueen and Nick Bush of Stevens Institutue of Technology -- disappeared
about eight years ago.  The program is not supported, it's written in
a language (Bliss-32) that nobody has and that even DEC has dropped
support for, etc.  So I'd say no, it is no longer recommended or
encouraged.  There is hardly anything it can do that C-Kermit for VMS
can't do, and C-Kermit can do thousands of things that Kermit-32 can't.
And C-Kermit is fully supported.  If you have some old commercial
software that does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, you
probably won't get any sympathy from that quarter either -- they will
tell you, just like I will, to use the up-to-date versions that fix
older bugs and that are supported.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like
>":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems.  Below is
>a test I performed that gives me the same error.
>...
>arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3)
>C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist}
>?No keywords match - glist
>
>I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly
>what is causing the problem.  What can I do to alleviate
>this weirdness?
>
Quote the parentheses by giving the ASCII character value:

  xif success {arglist {\40},show macro arglist}

- Frank

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I'm working on an application that is sending from
VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running
version 190).

I need to have the server side rename a file when
it receives it, but I want to be sure that this
operation is secure (meaning that a malicious
user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it
to the system one, etc).  I.e.  rename the file
in the same directory to which it was sent.

So I assume that enabling host is out.  Can
I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"?
Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen
it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit).
What are some other options or things to consider
in this application?

Thanks for any and all help.

    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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From: [e-mail] (Bob Shair)
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[e-mail] (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes:
>
>Actually, I use c-kermit.  Any scripts for that?  Thanks.
>
dial mary; while failure {dial mary}
--

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
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From: [e-mail] (Vincent Fatica)
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Those who are really serious about getting the very fastest file transfer
should have some standard by which to measure their own Kermit's performance
and compare it to others. By this I mean an utterly uncompressible file
of significant length. It's easy to make one: using your favorite language,
write characters in the range 0 to 255 AT RANDOM to a file. When you're
done, try zip or gzip on it ... it'll get bigger ... it's really
uncompressible. I keep a 100,000 byte such file (called "tight") around
for testing purposes.

I routinely achieve 1635 cps on a 14400 dialed connection and 1090 cps on
a 9600 dialed connection. I believe this is pretty darned close to optimum
for uncompressible data. How do you do it?

As has been said, long packets and sliding windows do a great deal in
speeding up file transfer, but you won't approach the speeds above with
long packets and sliding windows alone; the key to squeezing out that last
20-25% of speed is CONTROL CHARACTER UNPREFIXING.

By default, Kermit "prefixes" (adds a byte to) a fairly large number of
characters; this is so intervening hardware and software won't misinterpret
them and do something undesirable. For example, if there is xon/xoff flow-
control in effect (anywhere along the way), an unprefixed ^S will be
interpreted as a "stop" (probably not as desired). In addition, the
characters which Kermit prefixes are among those which appear frequently
in compressed data. So by default, Kermit does it as safely as possible.

But in any given situation there's probably only a few characters which need
to be prefixed; so in general you want to tell the sending Kermit to:

    set control unprefixed all
    set control prefixed [only the necessary ones]

As Frank da Cruz has pointed out, precisely which ones are necessary is very
much connection-dependent, and so experimentation is the only way to find
out what you need. On a dialed connection where there's no xon/xoff
(anywhere) and where I know the dial-up server is in transparent mode, I
need only "set control prefixed 0 1 3". If there were xon/xoff in effect,
I'd add to the list 17 19 145 147 (^Q, ^S, and their 8-bit counterparts).
When I use Kermit to make a network connection, I add 13 141 255.
So ... experiment.

Upon first connecting to my dial-up server (a Cisco, I think) I have the
opportunity to issue commands (only a few) to it. I can say, for example,
"terminal download" which puts it in transparent mode, or
"terminal flow hardware in out" which I imagine does just what it says.
I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about such server issues, so if anyone
would care to elaborate, I would appreciate it.

Also by default, Kermit tries to do a little compressing of it's own by
simply replacing strings of repeated characters with something shorter.
This is probably futile for data that's already compressed. Even though
it's not clear that Kermit's actually wasting time trying to do this, I tell
the sending Kermit to "set repeat count off" whenever I know the data is
already compressed.

Respectfully,

Vincent Fatica


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    For whatever this is worth to anyone...  It'll probably work on
    other host systems, bus since Unix is what I'm familiar with...

    I got the idea while reading through some of the documentation for
    MS-Kermit 3.14 BETA that ansi printing does no packet checking, but
    simply switches output from your screen to your printer.  If you
    have a modern error-correcting modem, this is probably fine, but if
    your modem is old (like mine) and lacks that feature, there is the
    potential for characters to be lost, bursts of line noise showing
    up in your printout, etc.  If you're using MS-Kermit 3.13 or later
    as your comm program, you can use it with C-Kermit (preferably
    5A(190)) to print with full error correction.  Pipe whatever you
    want printed into this:

/usr/5bin/echo '\033_rec\033\\\c'; kermit -s - -a PRN

    The echo command simulates an apc command to MS-Kermit (kermit -C
    "apc rec" doesn't work; check your man page for echo to make sure
    it supports the special functions), which puts MSK into receive
    mode (be sure you have apc on-- SET TERM APC ON).  The options for
    C-Kermit tell it to send from the standard input (from a pipe), and
    send it as PRN.  MS-Kermit will accept PRN as a valid name; MS-DOS
    will send it to your printer.

                        Jeff

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when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster
transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember
to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea
what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference?
what are they blocks of?

any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :)

B*B,
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How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ?


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You are girl!


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Eggert)
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>  SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF

This is an excellent command to put in your .kermrc if you transfer
data across time zone boundaries.  The current Kermit protocol does not
understand time zones, and it can munge dates by several hours when
transferring data from one time zone to another.  I've had this
problem, for example, when copying files between Unix hosts and then
using `make' -- the bogus timestamps screw up the build, sometimes in
subtle ways.

Perhaps a future Kermit protocol extension can address this issue,
so that time stamps are handled properly when both hosts know about
time zones (as is the case with Unix or, for that matter, any
Posix-compliant OS).

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3bl10h$[e-mail]>,
CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT <[e-mail]> wrote:
>when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster
>transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember
>to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea
>what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference?
>what are they blocks of?
>
>any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :)

SET BLOCKS 1,2,or3 determine what kind of checking is used to determine that
packet that was received contains proper data.  On today's fast machines
Block Check 3 (16-bit CRC) should always be used.

Just place it in your INI file.  Also, it must be issued on both sides for it
to be used.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm working on an application that is sending from
>VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running
>version 190).
>I need to have the server side rename a file when
>it receives it, but I want to be sure that this
>operation is secure (meaning that a malicious
>user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it
>to the system one, etc).  I.e.  rename the file
>in the same directory to which it was sent.
>
>So I assume that enabling host is out.  Can
>I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"?
>
DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server
program, before putting it in server more, then the
client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...)

Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit".
It's all in there.

>Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen
>it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit).
>
MS-DOS Kermit as well as C-Kermit 5A(190) for VMS,
UNIX, and OS/2 all support APC, but this only is
effective during CONNECT mode.

- Frank
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From [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz):
: But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable
: from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server
: connections, etc.

Huh???  You mean "mark", no?  "Space" means that the word looks like an
eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0.
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HELP!

I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3.  I have
a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a
bidirectional modem.  It works fine with dial ins.  By the way, the modem is a
Telebit T2500.)  Problems arise when I go to dial out.  Usually, it will not
let me set line.  SET LINE gives a "permission denied" or "access to device
denied" error with /dev/term/b, /dev/tty/b
, /dev/cua/b whether I am in as root or an ordinary user, with all the
permissions on the /device file and /dev links set to 777, it does it no matter
what.  Now tip does fine with dial outs.  But kermit won't do it.  This seems
so strange.  A user can call in and start a kermit server on the same line.
but no dice with the dial out.  It is maddening.

Has anyone else had similar problems?  Any suggestions, ideas, snyde remarks?
Any help will be most appreciated.

[e-mail]






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From: [e-mail] (A. Andrew Brennan)
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   Perhaps this is crazy, but has anyone setup a contrib directory for
   scripts, front-ends, etc?  We have the Kermit books here and I'll
   admit I've only used them as reference resources, but I was curious
   if anyone had an archive of .INI scripts, interface programs, etc??

   If not ... I suppose I could offer to create one?  Unless I'm the
   only one in the world too lazy to sit down and write my own scripts
   from scratch?  :^)  I do like indexing archives - maybe it's the
   librarian in me trying to creep out.

   andrew.  ([e-mail])

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In article <3bnotf$[e-mail]>,  <halasz> wrote:
>From [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz):
>: But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable
>: from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server
>: connections, etc.
>
>Huh???  You mean "mark", no?  "Space" means that the word looks like an
>eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0.


Frank means what he says.  Kermit can auto-detect mark, even and odd parity.
But it is unable to detect space parity.




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From: [e-mail] (Glenn R. Stone)
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Peter Cheimets) writes:

>I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved
>things greatly.  I don't have a benchmark though.  I was on a 9600baud line,
>and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file
>in 28 seconds).  Is that fast?

You could probably tune it a bit... I usually end up with 720-730cps for
9600 baud and a decent line... if you're getting retries, cut the
packetsize, otherwise up it a bit... I get good results with 1200 byte
packets on a clean line....

-- warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy

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>How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ?
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In article <3bc2kv$[e-mail]>, vdk@rulxho (Peter - INL) writes:
> Hello Kermit people,
>
> I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The
> terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my
> screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With
    What might you mean by "mess"?

> 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same
> kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried
> this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like
> reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control
> none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal
> to VT 100, but the problem still exists.
> The host sends sequences like <ESC>[7m, <ESC>[m and <ESC>[27m. Is there a
> way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the
> settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine?
    These are fine. MSK supports all of them and far more.
    May I suggest you look at the Sun machine to understand what
terminal type it thinks it is using. Try a man page to see the visual
effects too (though most man pages make a hash of the visual part).
    Then I will repeat the often stated Requirement that flow control
be effective all the way through the comms chain. That means the host end
must support an effective flow control which its modem understands...
all the way to your desktop PC.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Xander Jansen)
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Norman Miller ([e-mail]) wrote:
: When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem.  Nor
: when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge.

: When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem.  Only
: when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that
: the command processor is unavailable.

: That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this:
: I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works.

Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the
'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's
loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands
from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or
less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE)
let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos).

If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might
wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview
probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to
run both the full version AND a spawned command processor.

Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of
3.13.

--
Xander.

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In article <3b5u0p$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:

...
>(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit
>    will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263...

  Careful, I think that last one is one of the values that triggers the
Pentium bug.... ;-))


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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames
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In article <3bnsjl$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:

>>
>>So I assume that enabling host is out.  Can
>>I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"?
>>
>DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server
>program, before putting it in server more, then the
>client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...)
>
>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit".
>It's all in there.

There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME
in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version
of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME.

I'm running both an Alpha...
C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.17, 8 Aug 94, for OpenVMS AXP
Type ? or HELP for help
C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename

And a VAX machine...
C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Type ? or HELP for help.
C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename

And neither allow REMOTE RENAME!

Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames
without allowing renames across directories, or
is there something missing in my version of
C-Kermit?!  What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT
to work?  I want to enable as little as possible.

Thanks,
    Erik
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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: "OPEN READ file" Problems
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Frank et al, I apologize that everything
I post to this newsgroup are problems I'm
experiencing with C-Kermit.  I truly love
the product and have little complaints!

Now to the problem...

I'm running...
C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX

And created a text file called param.dat
containing three small lines of text.

Then went into C-Kermit and did this...

C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a

C-Kermit>read \%a
?Read file not open
C-Kermit>type sys$login:param.dat
username
password
e-mail@address
---------------------------

I checked all the docs I have (THE book, the
beware file for VMS, etc).  I didn't find any
exceptions for READ for VMS.  The !READ works
fine when I do this...

C-Kermit>open !read type sys$login:param.dat
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a
username
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a
password
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a
e-mail@address
C-Kermit>read \%a
C-Kermit>echo \%a

C-Kermit>read \%a
?Read file not open

-----------------------

So why won't READ work in this case?  Is it possible my
file attributes are what it needs to be for it to read
the file correctly?  They are...
MV80:[]$ dir /full sys$login:param.dat

Directory SYS$USERS:[HATCHER]

PARAM.DAT;1                   File ID:  (8847,19,0)
Size:            1/3          Owner:    [HATCHER]
Created:   3-DEC-1994 17:49:44.15
Revised:   3-DEC-1994 18:46:26.02 (2)
Expires:   <None specified>
Backup:    <No backup recorded>
File organization:  Sequential
File attributes:    Allocation: 3, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No version limit
Record format:      Variable length, maximum 14 bytes
Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control
RMS attributes:     None
Journaling enabled: None
File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:RWED
Access Cntrl List:  None

Total of 1 file, 1/3 blocks.

Thanks for the help.

    Erik
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                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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Hi ---

I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC
and our UNIX system.  Here are the particulars:

PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94)
UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94)

When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works
fine (Text xfers are text, and binary xfers are binary).

But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file gets
transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer.

Here is the troubleshooting I tried to narrow it down....

Looked at "show file" on both sides...it says "Text"
Get the above result when I pcget from UNIX.
Tried set file type text explicitly on both ends before pcget.
Still get same result.
Wrote a little script to rule out error in pcget macro:

apc server
pause 2
remote set file type text
set file type text
get dosfile.txt
finish

Ran the script from UNIX side, and still the file was xferred as Binary
not Text!

What am I missing here ?

I would appreciate any suggestions, insights, criticism, etc.
As far as RTFB goes :-), I'm still working from .HLP/.UPD/.BWR
as my copy of the book hasn't arrived yet :-(

Thanks very much,
Maurice Baker
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel
mrbaker  at  hodcs.att.com
(email OK, followups OK too)
908-949-4926



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From: [e-mail] (James C. Hu)
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I have been attempting to use Kermit 3.14 on my PC with an NE2000
network card.  I run the Crynwr packet driver, and the parameters
shown after execution are:

        packet-intr: 0x7e
        hardware intr: 9
        i/o address: 0x300

I configured the parameters correctly in mscustom.ini, and then
attempted to connect to a host.  Kermit claims it cannot reach the
gateway.

I had my network admin snoop the subnet for me, and I saw that my
requests to the gateway were reaching it, and that the gateway was
responding.  After a while, my PC would request a again, and the
gateway would again respond.  For whatever reason, my PC does not
seem to acknowledge the responses from the gateway.

Any hints, pointers to the porblem?  I had a theory that perhaps
Kermit was responding the hardware interrupt delivered by the network
card, but I think it more likely that the network card may not be
recognizing packets that are meant for itself.

-- James

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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fritz)
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I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700)
from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old
kermit did:  it locks up.

I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system.  At first it worked,
though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing
the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics).  Then
it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem.  If I
started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it
with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until  I said "set line /dev/cul01".
It never unhangs until I hit ^C.

I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem.
What else would cause Kermit to lock?

Please **EMAIL** replies, as I will be offline for most of the next week.

Thanks!
Gary

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From: [e-mail] (Adam H. Lewenberg)
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Subject: OS/2 Warp: Can Ckermit and TCPIP work together?
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I am trying to get CKermit for OS/2 to work with the TCPIP stuff
that comes in the OS/2 Warp Bonus Pack, but I have not been
successful. Is this at all possible? If anyone has done this, please
let me know how they did it.
--
University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics
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From: [e-mail] (Ken)
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Xander Jansen) wrote:
> Norman Miller ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem.  Nor
> : when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge.
>
> : When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem.  Only
> : when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that
> : the command processor is unavailable.
>
> : That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this:
> : I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works.
>
> Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the
> 'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's
> loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands
> from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or
> less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE)
> let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos).
>
> If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might
> wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview
> probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to
> run both the full version AND a spawned command processor.
>
> Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of
> 3.13.
>
> --
> Xander.

To get more memory when shelling to MS-DOS, use a program called
"Shroom" - Short for "Shell Room".

Waffle BBS folks swear by it.

It shells the program you are using out to disk or memory, and gives
you the greatest possible memory in that situation.

Ask on comp.bbs.waffle for the place to find it.

(It also works great with programs like Deskmate, compilers, and
every other program that shells to DOS).



--
Kenneth Udut                                          [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Ray Blaak)
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Subject: Looking for a telnet kermit
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I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line''
instead of a serial device.

Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before.
Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available?

Cheers,
Ray Blaak
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Dial out problem with Solaris 2.3
Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:07:06 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Byron Chandler <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3.  I
>have a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a
>bidirectional modem.  It works fine with dial ins.  By the way, the modem is
>a Telebit T2500.)  Problems arise when I go to dial out.
>
UNIX bidirectional ttys are a big problem for C-Kermit.  That's because
every version of UNIX, and every release of every version, handles this issue
differently.  It's no surprise that tip and/or cu on a particular UNIX
version, such as Solaris 2.3, handle bidirectional ttys OK, because these
are vendor-provided utilities.  They are probably also installed suid to
root or somesuch.

There is no way C-Kermit, which runs on over 400 different UNIX variations,
can account for bidirectional ttys on all of them (or for that matter, any
of them!) without introducing thousands of lines of code, security risks, and
insurmountable maintenance headaches.

The standard advice (found in all the relevant documentation) is: before
using C-Kermit to dial out on a bidirectional tty, use your system utilities
to make it non-bidirectional.  For example, make a shell script wrapper that
kills the getty and restarts init, or that runs admintool, or whatever, then
runs Kermit, and then when Kermit exits, puts the line back the way it was.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ??
Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:21:08 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
-M.BAKER <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC
>and our UNIX system.  Here are the particulars:
>
>PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94)
>UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94)
>
>When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works
>fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file
>gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer.
>
This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta
release, Beta-14.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames
Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:28:13 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3bnsjl$[e-mail]>,
>Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server
>>program, before putting it in server more, then the
>>client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...)
>>
>>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit".
>>It's all in there.
>
>There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME
>in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version
>of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME.
>
Oops, sorry.  I should have looked before I leapt.
I really thought it was there!  Oh well, it will be
in the next release.

>Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames
>without allowing renames across directories...
>
The only Kermit server that supports REMOTE KERMIT
commands is Kermit-370 on IBM mainframes.  There are
no plans to add REMOTE KERMIT server-end support to
C-Kermit, even though the C-Kermit client can send
REMOTE KERMIT commands.  So for now the only way to
get a C-Kermit server to rename a file is to send it
a REMOTE HOST RENAME (or REMOTE HOST MV, or whatever,
depending on the operating system) command.

>What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT
>to work?  I want to enable as little as possible.
>
Unfortunately, this requires that you ENABLE HOST,
which is what you were trying to avoid.  Of course,
there are other solutions, such as sending the file
with the desired name in the first place.  But if this
is to include a directory part, then you have to
ENABLE CD.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: "OPEN READ file" Problems
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm running...
>C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
>
>And created a text file called param.dat
>containing three small lines of text.
>
>Then went into C-Kermit and did this...
>
>C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat
>C-Kermit>read \%a
>C-Kermit>echo \%a
>
>C-Kermit>read \%a
>?Read file not open
>
I dunno.  I tried this locally and it works fine, assuming
the file really exists and really has three lines in it,
and OPEN READ was given the correct file name.

The typescript above makes it look like your PARAM.DAT file
consisted of one empty line, and the second READ command
got an end-of-file.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Lockup problem
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In article <3bsjb2$[e-mail]>, Gary Fritz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700)
>from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old
>kermit did:  it locks up.
>
>I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system.  At first it worked,
>though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing
>the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics).  Then
>it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem.  If I
>started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it
>with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until  I said "set line /dev/cul01".
>It never unhangs until I hit ^C.
>
>I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem.
>What else would cause Kermit to lock?
>
Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr?  Quoting:

Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as
either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and
modems"), as described in the HP manual, "Configuring HP-UX for Peripherals:
HP 9000".  If you attempt to use a serial device before it has been configured
this way, it will not work properly; typical symptoms are (a) no communication
at all; (b) nonfunctional modem signals; and/or (c) massive amounts of
character loss in both directions.

(end quote)

Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about
this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example),
or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang:
"set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted),
etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit
Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:47:25 GMT
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In article <3bt2o2$[e-mail]>, Ray Blaak <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line''
>instead of a serial device.
>
The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections:

  MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows
  UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations
  VMS C-Kermit
  OS/2 C-Kermit
  AOS/VS C-Kermit
  Stratus VOS C-Kermit

- Frank

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME
>in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version
>of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME.
>
C-Kermit hasn't implemented Remote Rename yet.  I called attention to
this many moons ago in a message to, I think, Terry Kennedy.
Here is one instance wherein old Bliss Kermit outshines C-Kermit;
Bliss Kermit implements Remote Rename.  Whether one can rename
across directories is a function of the privs allotted to the
account wherein the remote Kermit is run.

What Frank was saying, I think, was that you could rename the file(s)
locally before you sent them via Kermit.

Ciao!
--
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: [e-mail]
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... Virtue is its own punishment.

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From: [e-mail] (Ami Bar-Yadin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters
Date: 5 Dec 1994 22:13:17 -0500
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There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.
I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature
which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters".

I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences
and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4.

---snip---
#!/usr/bin/ksh
fg="\033[2\"q"
bk="\033[1\"q"
cf="\033[?2J"
echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}"
---snip---

The expected result, which Crosstalk did provide, is a blank screen
with the shell prompt toward the top, and the word "background"
twice on some line of the screen.

Kermit however, responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt
towards the top.  The "background" words are erased as well, which
should not happen.

Kermit did respond correctly to a couple other small tests.

I hope this can be fixed for this version, it's the only
vt220 feature I need which Kermit does not support.  Yet :-).
--
Ami Bar-Yadin ([e-mail])

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit)
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Xander Jansen ([e-mail]) wrote:

>If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might
>wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview
>probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to
>run both the full version AND a spawned command processor.

    If memory's a problem, another option is setting the screen
    rollback buffer smaller.  Setting it to 5 instead of the default 10
    would (according to the docs) save about 20K or more.

                                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit
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Ray Blaak ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line''
: instead of a serial device.

: Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before.
: Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available?

Yes. kermit.columbia.edu. I have used the telnet built into MS-Kermit,
C-Kermit for AIX, and C-Kermit for Unixware.

On newer kermits with TCP/IP, one can telnet from the kermit prompt or
a kermit script file.

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Server side renames - still not solved!
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I still haven't found a way to do server side
renames of a file.  I send the file as one
name and want to rename it on the server side.

REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to
find this command in the book and it doesn't
work on my version.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
    Erik
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From [e-mail] Tue Dec  6 12:15:00 1994
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Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames
Date: 06 Dec 1994 12:15:00 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher) writes:
>In article <3bnsjl$[e-mail]>,
>Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit".
>>It's all in there.
>
>There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME
>in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version
>of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME.

This is really strange. I too have never seen REMOTE RENAME in any
kermit manuals or implemnataions and yet the "Kermit Protocol Manual
6" (1986!) includes the underlying protocol support for this command.

What gives?
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved!
Date: 6 Dec 1994 16:05:20 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I still haven't found a way to do server side
>renames of a file.  I send the file as one
>name and want to rename it on the server side.
>
>REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to
>find this command in the book and it doesn't
>work on my version.
>

Erik:

The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME
is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit
which you do not want to do.

The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename
on the client before you send the file.  Or just send the file
with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very
start.

SEND oldname newname

has exactly the same result as

SEND oldname
REMOTE RENAME oldname newname

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit
Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:26:23 -0600
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In article <3bvcmd$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:

>The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections:
>
>  MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows
>  UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations
>  VMS C-Kermit
>  OS/2 C-Kermit
>  AOS/VS C-Kermit
>  Stratus VOS C-Kermit

Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start
up kermit there and transfer files over the connection?  I know you
can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave
a kermit running in server mode.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit
Date: 6 Dec 1994 20:34:41 GMT
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In article <3c26rv$[e-mail]>, Leslie Mikesell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3bvcmd$[e-mail]>,

>Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start
>up kermit there and transfer files over the connection?  I know you
>can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave
>a kermit running in server mode.
>

Not at the current time.  Its not a limitation of Kermit but of the telnet
server software on OS/2.  I am attempting to work with IBM to address the
issue.  It does require some significant code changes (and optimizations)
to enable it to work.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes:
> There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.
> I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature
> which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters".
>
> I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences
> and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4.
>
> ---snip---
> #!/usr/bin/ksh
> fg="\033[2\"q"
> bk="\033[1\"q"
> cf="\033[?2J"
> echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}"
----------
    Correct. And it's fixed in beta-15. That beta is accumulating last
minute bug reports and will be issued shortly.
    Thanks,
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Ciaraldi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
Date: 6 Dec 1994 21:52:07 GMT
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Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14?
I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they
only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS,
and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data.
The documentation does not give any detail beyond that.

I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF.
Here are my questions:

1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC
and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out
the serial port to the host?

2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to  work the same during
terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer?
And is it the same during TRANSMIT?

3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q
characters on to the host, without further processing?
This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all.

4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when
the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q,
but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host?

5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when
the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q,
but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host?
This would emulate a real VT-100, I think.

6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host
if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it,
then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data?
This is also the way a real VT-100 works.
In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the
host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any?

7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from
the host, then not send any data to the host until the host
sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user
type without Kermit losing any?

8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is
just sending the contents of a file out the serial port.
What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host
as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending
when the host sends a ^Q?

9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish
for having missed it.

10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled
in the source code?

Thanks for your help in this matter.

--Mike Ciaraldi




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From: [e-mail] (Curtiss Cicco)
Subject: Kermit unable to work with COM4
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Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe
problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re
flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize
com4, I know the modem works properly because I was able to downl
oad using a different protocol. I download from a mainframe, so I
need to use kermit, currently I'm using 3.14 patch level 6, which
was working with my other modem at com1. Any ideas on how to fix
it to work with com4?

-CmC

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit unable to work with COM4
Date: 7 Dec 1994 15:02:12 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Curtiss Cicco <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe
>problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re
>flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize
>com4 ...
>
See the section "Nonstandard Communication Ports" in the user manual,
"Using MS-DOS Kermit", page 207.

For greater detail, read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes
in the top-level directory of the ZIP file.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Eigil Krogh Sorensen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: [Q] X/Y/Z modem from kermit - Possible ?
Date: 6 Dec 1994 22:22:14 GMT
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Here in Denmark BBSs very often don't have kermit comm. facility.
Normally they have the X/Y/Z modem "thing" only.

Is it possible to initiate a X/Y/Z modem transfer from within a
kermit "session" ? If so is there some special programmes I need
to install on the system ?

The system(s) we are using kermit on are:

SCO ODT 3.0, Motorola sys/V r36 (and dos/Windows).

Thanks in advance


 -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3c5ea0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Smith) writes:
>
> The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about
> a divide overflow error when running under Windows.  These comments are
> omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution.  Is this
> because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem?  I ask because
> I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice
> to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release.
--------
    It's not a problem in MSK 3.14. But MSK 3.14 is not available for
general distribution yet; it is still in beta.
    Joe D.

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[e-mail] (Tolonen Pasi) writes:


>Dear Sirs,

>I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development.
>The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully
>(or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found
>Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol.
>I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported
>by the package.

>If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the
>following matters, please share them with me!

>- Kermit under MS-Windows
>- communication libraries for MS-Windows

Greenleaf is definately an option. CommLib (and Comm++) supports Kermit
with compression and eigth bit prefixing. One of our developers have have
been using CommLib for several version (since 4.0) and have had great
success and good support. Other Comm libs that support Kermit that I know
of are CrystalCOMM for Windows by Crystal Software and possibly MagnaCOMM
by SofDesign. Sorry, no shareware.

-sk

>Sincerely,

>Pasi





>--
> Pasi Tolonen           Partolantie as.308   Tel: [phone]
> [e-mail]      33950  PIRKKALA      Tel: [phone]
> Tampere Un. of Tech.   FINLAND / EUROPE     Fax: [phone]

From [e-mail] Thu Dec  8 20:44:22 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Gene Collins)
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Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ??
Date: 8 Dec 1994 20:44:22 GMT
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In article <3bvb54$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>-M.BAKER <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC
>>and our UNIX system.  Here are the particulars:
>>
>>PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94)
>>UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94)
>>
>>When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works
>>fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file
>>gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer.
>>
>This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta
>release, Beta-14.
>
>- Frank
Well, unfortunately, I seem to be having a similar problem
downloading zip files from a bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs.  I
had set file type binary on the pc before starting the download.
The transfer seemed to take place ok, no error messages etc.
When I tried to unzip the files, I was told that the files were
damaged.  This is the same procedure I've used several times with
KERMIT 3.13.  I'm currently using beta 14 of 3.14.  Any
suggestions?  Thanks.

Gene Collins ([e-mail])


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ??
Date: 9 Dec 1994 18:46:22 GMT
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In article <3c7r76$[e-mail]>,
Gene Collins <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...I seem to be having a ... problem downloading zip files from a
>bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs.  I had set file type binary on
>the pc before starting the download.  The transfer seemed to take
>place ok, no error messages etc.  When I tried to unzip the
>files, I was told that the files were damaged.  This is the same
>procedure I've used several times with KERMIT 3.13.  I'm
>currently using beta 14 of 3.14.  Any suggestions?  Thanks.
>
Only to make sure that the BBS Kermit software, whatever it is, has
also been told to send the file in binary mode.  In general, it is
the *file sender* that determines the transfer mode.  It sounds as
if, in this case, the BBS was sending the ZIP file in text mode.  A
good tipoff would be if the transferred file was bigger than the
original file, and every carriage return in the transferred file
was followed by a linefeed.

- Frank



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sorry about an article apparently posted 3 times - we've had a news
problem here

Andrew Dunstan
Mayne Nickless


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From: [e-mail] (Tom Glover)
Subject: Scripts via Telnet
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I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with
kermit.

Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have
had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying
to do it with a telnet session.

Using C-Kermit 5A for SunOS 4.1

Thanks in advance for any help


Email - [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Scripts via Telnet
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Tom Glover <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with
>kermit.
>
>Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have
>had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying
>to do it with a telnet session.


Of course it is.  Instead of using TELNET <host> in your script, use

    SET NETWORK TCP/IP
    SET HOST <host>
    whatever your login requires
    transfer files
    logout
    SET HOST

As long as you don't enter CONNECT mode, you can run scripts.
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3c96mj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Larry Powell) writes:
>    Does MSkermit support the use of Arcnet packet drivers?
>    The reason I ask is that the docs with the packet drivers say that
> to use arcnet, the client software must support it (arcnet) specifically.
> They make mention of KA9Q being the only known client to support it.
>    I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with
> the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a
> brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed
> to initialize and/or self test.
>    Thanks,
> --Larry Powell   [e-mail], [e-mail]
---------------
    As the documentation says, MSK supports Ethernet (DIX/Ethernet_II/
BlueBook) and SLIP Packet Drivers, as well as working directly over ODI
for these and other lan topologies. Be sure to use MSK 3.14 beta or later
(when there is a later) for TCP/IP over Arcnet ODI drivers due to an ODI
ambiguitity problem.
    Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development?
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Tolonen Pasi ([e-mail]) wrote:

> Dear Sirs,

> I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development.
> The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully
> (or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found
> Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol.
> I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported
> by the package.

> If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the
> following matters, please share them with me!

> - Kermit under MS-Windows
> - communication libraries for MS-Windows


Check ftp://rainbow.rmii.com/pub2/turbopower

--
Best regards,
John  <[e-mail]>

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I've got a user who complains that he gets the error

   ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports

when running Kermit under Windows.  The confusing thing is that when this
happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success.  Can anyone
suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration?
Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that
is important.

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
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I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when
the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when
I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need
to quit Kermit and restart it.

In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions
perfectly well after it is restarted.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3c7enb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Ciaraldi) writes:
> Dear Joe,
> These (4 and 5) are two different cases, and they are different from 3.
> Each may be appropriate in certain situations, and I wanted to find
> out if Kermit supported them.
>
> Consider a VAX with a serial card that has large output buffers, as many do.
> If a terminal (or Kermit emulating one) just passes through
> ^S and ^Q characters (case 3), what happens when the user hits a ^S (XOFF)?
> It gets sent to the host. The host CPU detects it and stops sending data.
> However, there may be several thousand characters still in the
> output buffer of the serial card, and there is no mechanism for the
> host CPU to notify the card to stop sending. So, even though
> the user has hit ^S, several more pages of data appear on the screen
> and scroll off the top of the screen. I've seen this happen many times.
> Fortunately, MS-DOS Kermit has a screen scrollback buffer,
> but this is still a problem for most users
> (those who are not using Kermit, of course).
>
> In case 4 and 5, when the user hits ^S, Kermit would stop sending
> updates to the screen. It would just accumulate any incoming
> data from the host into a buffer, then send it to the screen later
> when the user hits ^Q.  The difference between 4 and 5 is that
> in 5 the host also gets notified, so there is a chance that the buffer
> will not overflow.

    In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is
equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key.
    Accumulating into a buffer is what triggers almost all flow
control activity: it reaches a high or low water mark. For snappy
flow control response reduce the capacity of the comms channel. Too
much storage capacity will result in lost bytes, with no way to prevent
that from occuring (except buy a faster PC).


>
> On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit
> last week and found what I thought was funny behavior.
> I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used
> another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port.
> The Unix machine was set for no flow control.
> I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit,
> then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started
> appearing in the window on my Unix machine.
> Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file.
> Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until
> it received a ^Q?
    I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything.
Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the
Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something
to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking
through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved!
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In article <3c2240$[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Altman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Erik:
>
>The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME
>is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit
>which you do not want to do.

No I'm not willing to compromise our system security to
rename a file!  :)

>The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename
>on the client before you send the file.  Or just send the file
>with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very
>start.
>
>SEND oldname newname
>
>has exactly the same result as
>
>SEND oldname
>REMOTE RENAME oldname newname

But it is not "exactly" the same result, is it?

One creates a file called "newname" from the start.
The other only creates "newname" after the entire
file is successfully sent (assuming that REMOTE RENAME
isn't done "if failure").

The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my
automatic process to pick up received files on the
remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent
or not successfully sent.  It only picks up files
with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*.

Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version,
so I'm fine with that!  Thanks a million Frank!

BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions
get released?

    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

From [e-mail] Wed Dec  7 07:32:12 1994
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From: [e-mail]
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Hi All,
     Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of
kermit for
1) MS-Dos
2) Windows
3) Vax/Vms
Thanks in advance
-Chandru


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From: [e-mail] (Rick Lippens)
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Subject: Kermit and Miss Piggy!
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So, are Kermit and Miss Piggy still going out or what?  Just curious....


Jim Kirk


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From: [e-mail] (Evelyn Albrecht)
Subject: pc freezing at end of file transfer
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  Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads.  When the p.c.'s are
rebooted the transfered files are indeed there.  The pc's are recently
acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers.  The remote server
is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12.  The only difference between
the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new
p.c.'s.
  Have others with these pc's encountered this problem?  Would it be solved
if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13?  Is more information
needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer.


  Thank you,
             Evelyn
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|Evelyn Albrecht                      Ph:  [phone]                 |
|Academic Computing Services          Internet: [e-mail]  |
|Western Washington Univ.                                                 |
|Bellingham, WA  98225-9094                                               |

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Date: 10 Dec 1994 06:09:50 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my
>automatic process to pick up received files on the
>remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent
>or not successfully sent.  It only picks up files
>with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*.

Not to be obnoxious, but its about time you explained
why you needed this.

>Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version,
>so I'm fine with that!  Thanks a million Frank!

>BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions
>get released?

It depends on how much time we have to program.
And how many additional features need to be added.
It was about 1.5 years between 5A(189) and 5A(190).
Its really hard to say.

In the meantime, I suggest that you use the SEND oldname newname
mechanism with delete on failure.  And then, code your other task
to never copy a file unless it can open it with exclusive write
access which should fail while the file transfer is occuring.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: pc freezing at end of file transfer
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Evelyn Albrecht) writes:
>   Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads.  When the p.c.'s are
> rebooted the transfered files are indeed there.  The pc's are recently
> acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers.  The remote server
> is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12.  The only difference between
> the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new
> p.c.'s.
>   Have others with these pc's encountered this problem?  Would it be solved
> if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13?  Is more information
> needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer.
-----------------
    Which communications pathway? Did you revise DOS memory management
for the new hardware? Patch level of MSK? Disk caching program really ok?
    You might try logging the packets on both sides (LOG PACKET command
to see who said what to whom).
    Any other reasonble details.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Tolonen Pasi)
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Dear Sirs,

I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development.
The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully
(or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found
Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol.
I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported
by the package.

If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the
following matters, please share them with me!

- Kermit under MS-Windows
- communication libraries for MS-Windows


Sincerely,

Pasi





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From [e-mail] Wed Dec  7 23:45:17 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin)
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Subject: Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with ansi
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    I am trying out kermits new ansi support and am having a problem with
it dropping characters, (the same ones each time) (usually spaces) I was
wondering if anyone else has had this problem and fixed it or if anyone knows
if it will be corrected in the release version.


Also, I am trying to get kermit to work with M. Dudley's Doorway program, thus
far I have been able to redefine the keys so those work, the only problem
i have now is the remote printing. Is there a way to get kermit to work with
it? I know that kermit does work with the VT102 transparernt printing, im
wondering if a) Kermit can be setup to work with the doorway method :
    ie ( ESC[r;nnnP<String> )

    where r is the Local LPT port (ie 0=LPT1, 1=LPT2, 2=LPT3)
    where nnn (or nn, or n) is the Length of <string>
        (nnn must be between 1 and 255)
    where <String> is the text to be printed

If anyone has an answer or even a direction to look in please either reply or
email me at:
        [e-mail]
I would GREATLY GREATLY GREATLY appreciate it!!!! :)

Thanks


[e-mail]
Mike Langevin


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
>
> I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what...
>
> I am trying to use 3.14 Beta-14 with FTP Software PC/TCP 3.0 to connect
> from my laptop to my Unix system.  The laptop is a Toshiba 1950CS, with
> a Xircom PCMCIA ethernet adapter.  The Unix system is a DECsystem 5000/50,
> running Ultrix 4.4.
>
> When I first start the system, I can reach the Ultrix system with all of
> the normal PC/TCP utilities (ping, tn, rlogin, etc).  I then start kermit,
> and give it what I think are the minimum configuration commands to get it
> working over TCP/IP:
>
>     set tcp addr 193.72.200.10
>     set tcp host 193.72.200.7
>     con
>
> It connects, and everything seems just fine.  But after I log out, and
> terminate kermit, none of the PC/TCP utilities work any more!  If I try
> to ping the Unix system, I get "ARP failed", and nothing I have tried can
> get this working again, short of rebooting the laptop.  But if I start
> kermit again, I can still connect to the Unix system!  I'm really very
> confused...
--------------
    The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means
to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable
Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more
or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to
go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack."
I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still
using all the TCP/IP material.
    If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit
over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit
SET PORT BIOS1.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Hung Chau)
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Subject: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed
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I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make
my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC.  I have heard
using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control,
but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up
my transfer.

I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character
unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me
and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone
can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly
am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character
unprefixing.

                        Thank You

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Monty)
Subject: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17
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Preface
-------

I've read comp.protocols.kermit.misc, comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, and
comp.protocols.ppp for months.  I've read _Using MS-DOS Kermit:
Connecting Your PC to the Electronic World_, 2nd Edition, by Christine M.
Gianone.  I've read README files.  I've read "beware" files.  I've read
'til I've felt like I never wanted to turn on my PC again.

I've spoken to people who don't know what PPP is, but who, despite their
ignorance, have installed it, "configured" it, and run Mosaic, Netscape,
Trumpet, Eudora, POPMail, and numerous other TCP/IP applications for
Microsoft Windows with it.  I've been told, "I downloaded a file from
[name of Internet service provider deleted] and typed `INSTALL' at the Run
menu, then just started using it."  ("It" is a program that reads mail and
USENET news, allows you to connect to remote sites, provides a means of
transferring files from remote archives, browses the World Wide Web,
graphically and sonorously, tunnels through Gopher space, fingers other
people, pings other places, and does the dishes.)

I own a 20MHz, i80386SX PC with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive.  I
deleted Microsoft Windows 3.0 from my machine long ago.

I've been present on the Internet for several years.  I was Assistant
Manager of the Internet SIG on DELPHI during its earliest days.  My
employer thinks I'm a computer programmer.  I got good grades in school.
Most of the time, I don't _feel_ stupid.

I admire the teachings of Joe Doupnik and marvel at his prolific
contributions to these news groups.  I admit I've never understood
anything he's written.

I don't know why, but I want to run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP
connection instead of using Telemate 4.12 to dial up my UNIX shell
account.  I guess I just don't want to feel left out.


Question
--------

Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP)
connection?  If so, how?  Exactly.


Acknowledgments
---------------

Thank you all, in advance, for spending many hours of your valuable time
helping to make my dream of a better life on the 'Net come true.


---
Jim Monty                                          Home:  [phone]
[e-mail]                                 Work:  [phone]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 available
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-15 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, 11 December 1994, 7:36pm Eastern USA time:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-14 include:

 . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back.
 . Fixed VT220/320 Protected Fields again
 . 132-column scroll vs SET TERM VIDEO BIOS bug fixed.
 . Correct handling of TELNET Data Mark (IAC DM).
 . Fixed problem with SET TRANSLATION KEY {ON, OFF}.
 . Kanji bug with SET TERM VIDEO BIOS fixed.
 . New mappings for special keys of the Japanese DOS/V Kanji 106 keyboard.
 . Changed ? help message for internal DIAL command.
 . \freplace(...) function added (see KERMIT.UPD)
 . SET TERM GRAPHICS VESA (800x600) added (ditto)
 . Graphics-screen dump to TIFF lost some color info - shades of
   gray, etc -- now fixed.

As yet unresolved is a problem with apparent premature timeouts reading
packets under DDK conditions (regular length packets, printable start of
packet character, heavy echoing of what's sent, interspersal of cursor
commands and packets, etc).

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to [e-mail].


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed
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In article <3cetso$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Hung Chau) writes:
> I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make
> my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC.  I have heard
> using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control,
> but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up
> my transfer.
>
> I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character
> unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me
> and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone
> can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly
> am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character
> unprefixing.
----------------
    It's a good question, and one asked (and answered) so frequently
that we really do need an FAQ.
    Here are two suggestions. First, read more about it in the MS-DOS
Kermit v3.14 beta docs, binary file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test/bin
on kermit.columbia.edu.
    Second, long packets, plus a few sliding windows slots, brings you
very good performance. Be sure to use adequate flow control everywhere,
preferrably hardware RTS/CTS on the PC+modem. Not all hosts or comms
channels can take lots of bytes in a row so back off if things fail.
For the utmost performance at high risk you may start unprefixing control
codes via the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX command; use only at your own risk.
    Remember that the other end has to play along. It may well be that
other end has neither long packet nor sliding windows capabilities. If
so this is an excellent time to upgrade the most likely ancient C Kermit
on the Sun to the modern C Kermit v5A(190). That has all the bells and
whistles. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd c-kermit, explore, raid&plunder.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows
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In article <3cbbtd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jess  Ting) writes:
>
> I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when
> the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when
> I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need
> to quit Kermit and restart it.
>
> In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions
> perfectly well after it is restarted.
----------
    Mr. Gate's outfit needs to address that one. Windows fakes the
real hardware to the DOS box, so Kermit sees what Windows wants it to
see and Windows itself deals with the actual hardware. That's what these
.386 VxD's are about (faking the machine, in lieu of a real kernel).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Russell Nelson)
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Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver?
Date: 12 Dec 1994 04:51:44 GMT
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In article <3c96mj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Larry Powell) writes:

      I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with
   the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a
   brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed
   to initialize and/or self test.

ARCNET won't work with Kermit.  ARCETHER should.  If it doesn't
initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line?  What version
of ARCETHER and command line did you use?

--
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From: [e-mail] (Vic Abell)
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Subject: Re: Where is Kermit?
Date: 7 Dec 1994 19:52:00 GMT
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In article <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> [e-mail] writes:
>     Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of
>kermit for
>1) MS-Dos
>2) Windows
>3) Vax/Vms

The best source for Kermit files is the "official" source,
kermit.columbia.edu.  It permits anonymous ftp access and
has copious README files to guide your journey through its
many files and directories.

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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Subject: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14)
Date: 5 Dec 1994 09:04:30 GMT
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I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do
with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I
noted an inconsistency (or bug?).

The telnet macro in mskermit.ini:

define TELNET -
  set flow none,-
  set port tcp \%1 \%2,-
  pause 0, if fail end 1,-
  if def \%3 set term type \%3,-
  if succ c

and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini:

 define myhost -
   telnet myhost 23 vt320,-
   if success assign myhost telnet \v(session)

set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet
term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the
myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly --
the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote
TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??)

BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command
 SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE."
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet
term-type".
--
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14)
Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:08:33 GMT
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In article <3bul2u$[e-mail]>,
Peter Schmolck <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do
>with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I
>noted an inconsistency (or bug?). ... the myhost define in mscustom.ini:
>
> define myhost -
>   telnet myhost 23 vt320,-
>   if success assign myhost telnet \v(session)
>
>set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet
>term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do).
>
Well, as the accompanying comment says, it's only a sample, which you should
adjust for the host(s) you are actually using, e.g.:

  set telnet term-type vt220,-
  telnet myhost,-
  if success assign myhost telnet \v(session)

Kermit sends its actual terminal type during TELNET negotiations UNLESS you
have given a SET TELNET TERM command, which overrides the actual terminal
type, but only for the purposes of telling the TELNET server what kind of
terminal type you have.  This is useful, for example, if Kermit's terminal
type is VT320, but the host knows the same terminal by a different name, such
as VT300, and does not recognize Kermit's terminal name.

>When I changed the myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that --
>expectedly -- the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly--
>the remote TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??)
>
I checked this just now and it didn't happen to me.  Probably you just
continued the same session, and the terminal type was not renegotiated?

>BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command
> SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE."
>Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet
>term-type".
>
You're right, we'll fix it.  Thanks!

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp
Subject: Re: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17
Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:48:20 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Monty <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP)
>connection?  If so, how?  Exactly.
>
This question is asked a lot, and we don't yet have an answer.

I hope you get a definitive response, because until now all attempts
that I have heard about to do this have resulted in failure or
hung PCs.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed
Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:52:59 GMT
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In article <3cetso$[e-mail]>,
Hung Chau <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make
>my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC.  ...
>
Rather than repost the long tutorial on this subject (again), I have
put it as the first entry in a new Frequently Asked Questions file:

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, text mode,
file faq.txt.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
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In article <3c2me7$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Ciaraldi) writes:
> Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14?
> I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they
> only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS,
> and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data.
> The documentation does not give any detail beyond that.
>
> I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF.
> Here are my questions:
>
> 1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC
> and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out
> the serial port to the host?
    Yes. INCOMING means flow control bytes to/incoming Kermit on the PC,
OUTGOING means from/outgoing from the PC to the remote host, and XON/XOFF
means in both directions.

> 2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to  work the same during
> terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer?
> And is it the same during TRANSMIT?
    Transport channels service all higher layers the same way.
Recall that flow control is a datalink affair, not high level operation.

> 3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q
> characters on to the host, without further processing?
> This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all.
    That's a host problem, yes?

> 4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when
> the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q,
> but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host?
    The host must stop sending, then the screen will have nothing
new to display.

> 5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when
> the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q,
> but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host?
> This would emulate a real VT-100, I think.
    See 4.

> 6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host
> if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it,
> then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data?
> This is also the way a real VT-100 works.
> In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the
> host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any?
    That's the essence of flow control. OUTGOING or XON/XOFF does
exactly this. Kermit has a several hundred byte cushion, but modems and
host buffers and other comms storage may exceed that. Kermit does not
stop working when it sends and XOFF to the host, so overrun is a gradual
effect. A real VT100 is much slower than MSK and has only a few bytes of
cushion.

> 7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from
> the host, then not send any data to the host until the host
> sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user
> type without Kermit losing any?
>
> 8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is
> just sending the contents of a file out the serial port.
> What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host
> as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending
> when the host sends a ^Q?
    Again, basic flow control. The host is sending the XON/XOFF
flow control bytes. Deduction: use SET FLOW INCOMING or XON/XOFF.

> 9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish
> for having missed it.
    We don't offer a tutorial in basic datacomms so all these details
are not explained in the user's manual. The actions are, but not the way
you ask the questions.

> 10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled
> in the source code?
    Serial comms are in file msxibm.asm.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows
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In article <[e-mail]>, Mike Smith <[e-mail]> writes:
> I've got a user who complains that he gets the error
>
>    ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports
>
> when running Kermit under Windows.  The confusing thing is that when this
> happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success.  Can anyone
> suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration?
> Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that
> is important.
----------------
    SET FLOW RTS/CTS is rational only for the hardware serial ports,
COM1..4. If Windows messes up and Kermit can't verify the IRQ then Kermit
uses the Bios pathway, and that's not hardware.
    I wish there were one piece of advice we could offer on using any
serial comms program in Windows, but (aside from "please don't") there
isn't. Windows provides ample facilities to fail, both by overdriving
the lesser UART chips (8250 class) and by inadequate Windows serial drivers
as well as not giving enough service time to the real serial hardware.
I guess as close as we will come is if the port fails then slow down.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Mayne Nickless)
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Subject: "Set incomplete discard" Problem
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We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous
releases)
running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using
the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray
network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for
any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have
traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup
(HUP) signal.

Thanks,
Dave Pearse
Mayne Nickless ITS

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From: [e-mail] (Mayne Nickless)
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We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs
4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on
some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where
kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set
in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an
incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded.

We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is
not new in version 190.

When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the
hangup and then just died.

Any help would be appreciated.

cheers

Andrew Dunstan
Systems Administrator
Mayne Nickless ITS


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From: [e-mail] (Mayne Nickless)
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We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs
4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on
some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where
kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set
in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an
incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded.

We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is
not new in version 190.

When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the
hangup and then just died.

Any help would be appreciated.

cheers

Andrew Dunstan
Systems Administrator
Mayne Nickless ITS


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: "Set incomplete discard" Problem
Date: 13 Dec 1994 05:37:32 GMT
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In article <3c0fpi$[e-mail]>, Mayne Nickless <[e-mail]> wrote:
>We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous
>releases)
>running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using
>the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray
>network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for
>any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have
>traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup
>(HUP) signal.
>

This is probably because most Unix systems automatically kill the shell
when the HUP signal is received.  Killing the shell kills all child
processing (ie, kermit).


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Gary Fritz)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr?  Quoting:

No, I didn't (blush) but:

: Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as
: either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and
: modems"),

The line is configured as such, and works for cu and for dialin.

: Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about
: this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example),
: or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang:
: "set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted),
: etc.

I don't have a .kermrc.  Can you give me a hint what would cause DSR and
CTS signals to be missing?

I'll look for the bidirectional discussion.  I have used this line
bidirectionally, so that may be a good lead.

What confuses me is that it *was* working (although VERY slowly) at one time,
and then *something* changed and now it doesn't.  I don't know what the
*something* is, but the fact that it used to work would seem to indicate
that it's not a version problem, or anything that hasn't changed in the
meantime.  I don't *think* it's the modem, because I've switched modems
since then and it didn't change anything.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Divide Overflow
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The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about
a divide overflow error when running under Windows.  These comments are
omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution.  Is this
because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem?  I ask because
I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice
to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release.

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Jamie Watson)
Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>    The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means
>to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable
>Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more
>or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to
>go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack."
>I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still
>using all the TCP/IP material.

Sigh.  I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question.  I read
about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously
not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what
it really meant.  I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit
and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to
think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just
shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns.  Anyway,
I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting
kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it
works just fine.  Thanks for the help.

>    If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit
>over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit
>SET PORT BIOS1.

This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed.  I first
tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine.  I then tried the
command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change
the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but
it still doesn't work.  The command I gave was:

    tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect

This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately
says "Connection closed".  I have tried just starting kermit without the
commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit
myself, but I got the same result.  Am I still doing something wrong?  By
the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the
difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was
written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier.

jw

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From: [e-mail] (Wesley Hart)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news
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In <3ckjds$[e-mail]> [e-mail] ( Eeyore ) writes:

>    This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>    words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>    way to turn it off?
>                Thanks a lot.

I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
to read.
--
Wesley Hart                     "Optimism -- The belief that everything
Software Product Engineer        will work out well.  Irrational;
[e-mail]             bordering on insane"
Phone: [phone]                                -- The Armageddon Factor

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From: [e-mail] (Ami Bar-Yadin)
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Subject: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15
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I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work.
I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post
(dated 5 Dec 1994):

---snip---
#!/usr/bin/ksh
fg="\033[2\"q"
bk="\033[1\"q"
cf="\033[?2J"
echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}"
---snip---

As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt
towards the top.  Both "foreground" and "background" words are
erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not
be erased.
--
Ami Bar-Yadin ([e-mail])

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From: [e-mail] (Paul St. Amand)
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Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) log session file type?
Date: 7 Dec 1994 21:44:02 GMT
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Hello,

I've noticed that when I "log session this.txt" under edit 190 that the file
record format type under VMS has changed from

These are the file attributes from 5A(189)

OLD_FILE.PRN;1                            File ID:  (17226,34,0)
Record format:      Stream_LF, maximum 82 bytes
Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control


These are the file attributes from 5A(190)

NEW_FILE.PRN;1                            File ID:  (17500,18,0)
Record format:      Stream, maximum 82 bytes
Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control


All the log files have a <cr> at the start of the lines and the stream record
format causes and extra linefeed on the printed output.

What changed the record format from stream_lf to Stream and why?

Any easy way around this?

Thanks,
-Paul St. Amand
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From [e-mail] Sat Dec 10 09:46:14 1994
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Subject: Script question
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I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this...


do
  <statements>
until input = string


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From: [e-mail] (Kyler Laird)
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I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and
the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit.
The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call
ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I
execute slip.exe from ckermit.  Each time, I run into
a problem with both programs wanting complete control
of the port.

Is there a way to get either program to share the
port?  Ideally, I would get slip to look like an
external protocol, but at this point I'd be happy
with kermit acting as a slip dialer.

Thanks!

--kyler

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Monty) writes:
> Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP)
> connection?  If so, how?  Exactly.
-----------
    The indications are that "etherppp" provides an Ethernet Packet
Driver interface to applications. I phrase this as indications because
I've never been able to get etherppp to avoid hanging my PC as it installs
itself in memory. If you get it to install cleanly then treat it as an
Ethernet (which kind???, hopefully DIX/Ethernet_II/regular) Packet Driver.
By default Kermit will look for a Packet Driver when its internal TCP/IP
stack begins.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Ciaraldi)
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <3c7enb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Michael Ciaraldi) writes:

>    In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is
>equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key.

Great. This may be just what I need. I'll try binding it to
the appropriate key.

>> On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit
>> last week and found what I thought was funny behavior.
>> I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used
>> another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port.
>> The Unix machine was set for no flow control.
>> I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit,
>> then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started
>> appearing in the window on my Unix machine.
>> Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file.
>> Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until
>> it received a ^Q?
>    I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything.
>Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the
>Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something
>to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking
>through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism).

I'll try this and report back if there is a problem.
I have a tester on the serial line so I can tell if a character
got sent out the serial port or not.

Thanks for the details, Joe!

--Mike Ciaraldi
  (now an even-more-satisfied Kermit user)

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Hello.

I'm using C-Kermit 5A.
But there some problem in transfering binary files.
When I transfer binary file from another internet site,
the size of the file becomes larger!
even if I set the parameters right.

> set file type binary

I don't know the version of the remote kermit.

please tell me what is the problem.


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From: [e-mail] (Jos Vos)
Subject: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit?
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One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator
which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature
of VT220 terminals.

Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this
feature?

--
--    Jos Vos <[e-mail]>
--    X/OS Experts in Open Systems   |   Telephone: [phone]
--    Amsterdam, The Netherlands     |   Facsimile: [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Binary Transfer
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using C-Kermit 5A.
>But there some problem in transfering binary files.
>When I transfer binary file from another internet site,
>the size of the file becomes larger!
>even if I set the parameters right.
>
>> set file type binary
>
>I don't know the version of the remote kermit.
>
>please tell me what is the problem.
>
It is hard to say without knowing which software is on
the other end.

The general rule for modern Kermit software is: give the
command SET FILE TYPE BINARY to the file sender and it
will automatically tell the file receiver that the transfer
mode is binary.

But since you do not know which software is on the other end,
it is possible that this software does not support the
transfer-mode notification feature.

Therefore, when in doubt, tell BOTH Kermit programs to
SET FILE TYPE BINARY.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Script question
Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:39:21 GMT
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.90.941210044443.15336A-100000@blue>,
Archimedes L. Trajano <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this...
>
>do
>  <statements>
>until input = string
>
It is relatively easy to "compile" constructions like this "by hand".

:LOOP
  <statements>
  INPUT <timeout> <string>
  IF FAIL GOTO LOOP

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3cciee$[e-mail]>,
Kyler Laird <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and
>the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit.
>The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call
>ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I
>execute slip.exe from ckermit.  Each time, I run into
>a problem with both programs wanting complete control
>of the port.
>
This will be possible in version 5A(191) of OS/2
C-Kermit, which should be available for testing fairly
soon.

Version 5A(191) is expected to contain only OS/2-specific
enhancements, and therefore will probably be released only
for OS/2.

Watch this newsgroup for announcements.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit?
Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:46:16 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jos Vos <[e-mail]> wrote:
>One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator
>which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature
>of VT220 terminals.  Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version)
>support this feature?
>
MS-DOS Kermit, which is also the only Kermit program that we recommend
or support for Windows, does support this feature.  You should try
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, since version 3.14 supports it better than did
previous releases, by addition of \Kverbs (\KudkF6..F20) specifically
for the UDKs, which you can assign to the keys or key-combos of your
choice.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME
file to get started.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news
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In article <3cld9e$[e-mail]>, Wesley Hart <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In <3ckjds$[e-mail]> [e-mail] ( Eeyore ) writes:
>>    This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>>    words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>>    way to turn it off?
>
>I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
>kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
>to read.
>
If your newsreader is like mine, it displays the subject not as
"highlighted" text, but rather as "underlined" text.

But color PC video adapters do not support an underlined attribute, so
MS-DOS Kermit displays underlined text in a distinct fore/background
color combination.  In version 3.13, it chose these colors automatically,
based on the regular fore/background colors.

In version 3.14 (still in Beta), we have a new command, SET TERMINAL
UNDERSCORE, to let you choose the underscore-simulation colors yourself.
The syntax is the same as with SET TERMINAL COLOR.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME
to get started.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes:
> I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work.
> I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post
> (dated 5 Dec 1994):
>
> ---snip---
> #!/usr/bin/ksh
> fg="\033[2\"q"
> bk="\033[1\"q"
> cf="\033[?2J"
> echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}"
> ---snip---
>
> As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt
> towards the top.  Both "foreground" and "background" words are
> erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not
> be erased.
------------
    That's odd, because this sequence works properly here using Beta-15.
The screen shows only the words "background" after erasure. Maybe you should
turn on debugging (SET DEBUG ON) to see what the host is actually sending.
Or make a short test file and REPLAY it locally.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows
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In article <3ckqjv$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (ken crossman) writes:
>
> Hello Joe:
>
> Another window-ish question:
>
> Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually
> Novells.
>
> We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which
> can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging).
>
> Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions
> when using Winsock?
--------------
    I'd like to say "there's only one" but that would not be entirely
fair. While at DOS level outside of Windows (not the DOS box) load Novell's
TELAPI after starting their TCP/IP stack. MS-DOS Kermit can use that while
in Windows, via SET PORT BIOSn, or SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), or SET PORT
NOVELL(NASI), or with a simple assistance of macro "telapi" such as

def telapi run tsu -o \%1 -p \%2 k1,run tsu -a k1 1,set port nov

(run as Kermit command telapi host.domain).
    I think I need to remind readers that many "winsock" interfaces
are but a thin layer which reaches down to a TCP/IP stack loaded as a DOS
TSR. Not all, but many. So the attraction is more glitter (memory hogging,
more software to pass through for every byte) than one might suspect.
    Joe D.


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From: [e-mail] (Daniel S. Lewart)
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[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>  . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back.

Thanks!  Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur.
Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line
will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time:
    set duplex f<Esc><Enter>
    set duplex f<Esc>

    set duplex f<Esc><Enter>
    set duplex h<Esc>

    set duplex h<Esc><Enter>
    set duplex f<Esc>

    set duplex h<Esc><Enter>
    set duplex h<Esc>
where <Esc> means the Escape key and <Enter> means the Enter key.  Really.

Thanks again,
Daniel Lewart
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit?
Date: 14 Dec 1994 19:27:43 GMT
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I'm a big fan of Joe and Frank's work with MS-Kermit.  However, I am
typing this using Commo 6.0, because its screen updating speed is
magnitudes better than MS-Kermit 3.14 on my puny XT clone.  (I'm on a
14.4k dialup connection to Columbia U.)  Previously I've written on how
Telix's screen updating is better than Kermit's as well, but Commo blows
them both out of the water!

I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well.
Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future?
And yes, I have SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING DIRECT (the default) on--it's
pretty painful if set to BIOS.

Pleaes note this is not a complaint in any way--Kermit's rock-solid
emulation and other features is a big, big plus.  Consider it more of a
wish for the future.

Thanks!
--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  ([e-mail])|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell
     Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . .

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: SEND sending 0 byte file!
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I reported this problem earlier, but got no replies.
I'm running ...

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1994,


And have a macro to send a file like this...

        send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a

There are some other commands in the macro besides
this, but the file pointed to by the logical SENDFILE_LOCAL
is about 700 blocks and this send is exiting in a split
second and saying that it worked fine!

I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works
fine.  Any advice?  What would cause the send to say
it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit
anything??

Thanks,
    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file!
Date: 14 Dec 1994 21:22:55 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works
>fine.  Any advice?  What would cause the send to say
>it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit
>anything??

Sounds like a possible bug.   I would need more info,
such as a DEBUG LOG file to be able to see what is
happening.

Create two log files:

1) done manually.

2) done with the macro

and send them to me or [e-mail]

for examination.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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How do I remove the dial progress dialog in C-Kermit?  SET DIAL DISPLAY OFF
removes the modem responses, but I want it so that nothing appears on the
screen when I dial.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jos Vos) writes:
> One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator
> which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature
> of VT220 terminals.
>
> Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this
> feature?
---------------
    For a rather complete list of features and their explainations
may I direct you to the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit."
In there you will find that MS-DOS Kermit has supported DEC UDK's for
years. Full details of the book ident are given on screen two of the
Kermit HELP command. MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program which runs fine
also in DOS boxes of Windows, NT and OS/2.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Velardo)
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We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator to connect to
our system when using kermit 3.13. We have run into the problem of not
having a destructive delete key and can't figure out how to map one onto
the delete key itself. We have tried the SET KEY option with many
different designations and nothing seems to work properly. All
suggestions are welcome.
                              Thanks,
                                PAUL

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit?
Date: 15 Dec 1994 00:52:03 GMT
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In article <3cngvf$[e-mail]>,
Yeechang Lee <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well.
>Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future?
>
I'll have to take your word that Commo updates your screen faster than
Kermit does, but on my own PC (on which I usually run MS-DOS Kermit
under plain DOS over an Ethernet connection), it's hard to imagine how
the screen updates could possibly be any faster.  If I (for example)
refresh the EMACS screen that I'm in right now by typing Ctrl-L, the
entire screen is painted instantaneously).  So I would say that the
screen-updating method is not a bottleneck.

On slow PCs, the CPU is a likely bottleneck.  In that case, you are
looking at tradeoffs.  Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to
bet) than Commo's emulator.  A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal
compared to ANSI or VT100.

Also, I wonder if Commo runs in an MS-Windows window?  Kermit does, and
must take additional steps in order to do so.

Back in the old days, when XTs were current, MS-DOS Kermit was a lot
smaller and did less.  Like PCs and all the other software that runs on
them, it has grown with the times.

But at least it still runs on XTs, which is something you probably can't
say about most other popular PC software.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP! creating a delete key
Date: 15 Dec 1994 01:02:07 GMT
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In article <3cno5a$[e-mail]>,
Paul Velardo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator...
>
You mean VT220?

>to connect to our system when using kermit 3.13.
>We have run into the problem of not having a destructive delete
>key and can't figure out how to map one onto the delete key itself.
>
The Delete key sends the Delete character (\127) unless you tell it
otherwise.  The other common choice is Backspace (\8).  If neither
of these work for you, then you are probably facing a host or
application that wants something else.  Kermit does not know what
your application wants -- it is up to you to make them agree.

The trick is to either:

 (a) Find out what the application wants and then use SET KEY to
     assign the desired sequence to the desired key, or:

 (b) Reconfigure the application to accept a different character
     as a destructive backspace.

Some applications actually want you to send the following sequence
in order to do a destructive backspace: \8\32\8 - try that.  Or try
the arrow-key equivalent, \27OD\32\27OD, or \27[D\32\27[D.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit?
Date: 15 Dec 1994 01:32:53 GMT
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In article <3co3vj$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
|Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to
|bet) than Commo's emulator.

No disagreements here, though Commo's VT102 emulation is better than
most.

|A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal
|compared to ANSI or VT100.

I've tried SET TERM VT102, but it doesn't seem any faster than in VT320
mode . . .

--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  ([e-mail])|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell
     Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . .

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From: [e-mail] (Adam H. Lewenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Ckermit OS/2 (190) and Ctrl-C
Date: 9 Dec 1994 23:00:51 GMT
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It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I
type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had
this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from
the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the
program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen?

  Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg    [e-mail]

P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I
also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp.
--
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From: [e-mail] ( Eeyore )
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Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <3cld9e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Wesley Hart) writes:
>> In <3ckjds$[e-mail]> [e-mail] ( Eeyore ) writes:
>>
>>>    This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>>>    words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>>>    way to turn it off?
>>>                Thanks a lot.
>>
>> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
>> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
>> to read.
>---------
>    So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you
>prefer. Did I miss a point here?
>    Joe D.

    Maybe *I* missed something here.  I tried typing SET TERMINAL
    COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ckermit OS/2 (190) and Ctrl-C
Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:27:16 GMT
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In article <3canj3$[e-mail]>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I
>type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had
>this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from
>the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the
>program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen?
>
>  Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg    [e-mail]
>
>P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I
>also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp.


No, of course, it isn't supposed to happen.  But you are the first person
whom I am hearing it from.  I am running 190 on WARP without problems.
What are you doing when you type Ctrl-C?

And contact me off line about this because newsfeeds are just too slow.



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*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

From [e-mail] Thu Dec 15 14:50:35 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news
Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:50:35 GMT
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In article <3cobav$[e-mail]>, Eeyore  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>In article <3cld9e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Wesley Hart) writes:
>>> In <3ckjds$[e-mail]> [e-mail] ( Eeyore ) writes:
>>>>    This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>>>>    words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>>>>    way to turn it off?
>>> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
>>> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
>>> to read.
>>So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you
>>prefer. Did I miss a point here?
>
>    Maybe *I* missed something here.  I tried typing SET TERMINAL
>    COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it.
>
This kind of confusion comes up because of the delays inherent in news.
This question was already asked and answered, but you evidently did not see
the answer before posting the question, but by now you probably have seen
the answer, so I don't think I need to post it again.  Please wait a couple
days and if you still haven't seen it, send email to [e-mail].

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: naive script writing question
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (kendall thomason shaw) writes:
>
> Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider:
>
> def portal -
>   set flow rts/cts -
>   d {portal} -
>   if fail end 1 -
>   c -
>   pause 2 -
>   out \15 -
> etc.
>
> However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script.
>
> How do I delimit portal if that's my problem?
----------
    Commas denote "end of line" in macros. It's in the fine manual, etc.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Status line
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 [e-mail] (kendall thomason shaw) writes:
>>>>>> "b" == bruce  <[e-mail]> writes:
>
>     b> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>     b> (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>     b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're
>     b> talking about.  For the VT300 series, there is no way to
>     b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen,
>
> Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the
> main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with
> terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this
> works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the
> 49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing
> kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.)
> does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to
> put a status line.

    Oh yes it does. See below for the DEC way of handling this.

>                    Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased
> or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the

    Huh? The status line does not scroll, as noted. Maybe your termcap/
terminfo structures need a little spiffing up.

> screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status
> line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice
> to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If
> there's a way there's a will (mine).
>
>     b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to
>     b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get
>     b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line.
>
> Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates
> vt420?
>
> Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be
> thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly
> for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what
> functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series
> terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a
> reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard).
--------------

    Some reading material for you, as two excerpts.

From MS-DOS Kermit documentation file MSVIBM.VT -

 CSI Ps $ }    DECSASD        Select active status display
    Ps = 0 select main display
    Ps = 1 select status line
    Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be ignored
    unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $ ~. When the status
    line has been selected cursor remains there until the main display is
    reselected by CSI 0 $ }.

 CSI Ps $ ~    DECSSDT        Select Status Line Type
            Ps    meaning
            0     no status line (empty)
            1    indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default)
            2    host-writable line

 Other extensions:
 CSI 25; Pc f            VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line.
 CSI 25; Pc H            VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line.
                Leave the same way as you went in.
                (These will disable Kermit's own status line.)
------------
From the top of file MS-DOS Kermit source code file MSZIBM.ASM -

; References:
;  "PT200 Programmers Reference Guide", 1984, Prime Computer # DOC 8621-001P
;  "Video Terminal Model H19, Operation", 1979, Heath Company # 595-2284-05
;  "VT100 User's Guide", 2nd ed., Jan 1979, DEC # EK-VT100-UG
;  "Rainbow 100+/100B Terminal Emulation Manual", June 1984, DEC # QV069-GZ
;  "Installing and Using The VT320 Video Terminal", June 1987,
;    DEC # EK-VT320-UU-001
;  "VT320 Programmer Reference Manual", July 1987, DEC # EK-VT320-RM-001
;  "VT330/340 Programmer Ref Manual", 2nd ed, May 1988,
;    Vol 1: Text programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-TP-002
;    Vol 2: Graphics programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-GP-002
;  "Programming the Display Terminal: Models D217, D413, and D463", Data
;    General Corp, 014-00211-00, 1991.
;  "Installing and Operating Your D216E+, D217, D413, and D463 Display
;    Terminals", Data General Corp, 014-002057-01, 1991.
;  "Dasher D470C Color Display Terminal, Programmer's Reference Manual",
;    Data General Corp, 014-001015, 1984.
;  "WY-50 Display Terminal Quick-Reference Guide", Wyse Technology,
;    Wyse No. 88-021-01, 1983.

----------------------------------

    I don't have a VT420, nor the documentation on it ($$$); it takes
both to emulate successfully.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (kendall thomason shaw)
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Subject: Re: Status line
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>>>>> "b" == bruce  <[e-mail]> writes:

    b> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
    b> (Joe Doupnik) writes:
    b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're
    b> talking about.  For the VT300 series, there is no way to
    b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen,

Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the
main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with
terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this
works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the
49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing
kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.)
does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to
put a status line. Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased
or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the
screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status
line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice
to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If
there's a way there's a will (mine).

    b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to
    b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get
    b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line.

Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates
vt420?

Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be
thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly
for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what
functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series
terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a
reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard).

thanks
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Kendall Shaw                        "Oops spoo."
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Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented
characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions
standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set
transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I
still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more,
but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful.
--

Kendall Shaw                        "Oops spoo."
(415)364-asdf
[e-mail]

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kendall thomason shaw ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hello,
:     I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to
: have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49
: screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50
: screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi
: will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they
: write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with
: the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status
: line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with
: termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd
: be pleased. Here's my termcap entry:

: de|vt320|vt320-am|dec vt320:\
     ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^
I use a different term type for Kermit and VT320 since kermit
is just an emulation.  I did not want to break the real vt320.
:     :co#80:li#50:\
                  ^^
Try 49 here.
:     :le=^H:\
:     :am:bs:\
:     :ke=\E[?1l\E>:ks=\E[?1h\E=:\
:     :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:kd=\EOB:ku=\EOA:\
:     :kb=^H:\
:     :ho=\E[H:\
:     :k4=\EOS:k3=\EOR:k2=\EOQ:k1=\EOP:\
Do you use the vt300.ini script?  You can define LOTS
of function keys that way.
:     :xn:vt#3:pt:\
:     :sc=\E7:\
:     :rc=\E8:\
:     :im=\E[4h:\
:     :ei=\E[4l:\
:     :mi:\
:     :dc=\E[P:\
:     :ed=:dm=:\
:     :al=\E[L:\
:     :dl=\E[M:\
:     :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:\
:     :sf=\ED:\
:     :sr=\EM:\
:     :ce=\E[K:\
:     :cl=\E[H\E[J:\
:     :cd=\E[J:\
:     :cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\
:     :nd=\E[C:\
:     :up=\E[A:\
:     :so=\E[7m:\
:     :se=\E[27m:\
:     :us=\E[4m:\
:     :ue=\E[24m:\
:     :md=\E[1m:\
:     :mr=\E[7m:\
:     :mb=\E[5m:\
:     :me=\E[m:\
:     :is=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[1;24r\E[24;1H:\
                                                  ^^    ^^
try a scrolling region of 49 here.
:     :rs=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:\
:     :ds=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K\E[0$:\
:     :fs=\E[0$}:\
:     :ts=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[k:\
:     :hs:es:\
:     :do=^J:

Here is what I have for the mode line stuff:

    :hs:ts=\E7\E[50;1H:fs=\E[K\E[H\E8:

This lets "statline" and other apps
access the mode line,
display text, erase to end of line,
and go back to where it came from.

I did not use "es" because I seem to remember
that it did not like some escape sequences
(or maybe it was tabs) in the
mode line, but I might have just copied a different
termcap entry and did not test if "es" would work.
I also left out the "ds".  I don't remember if I
did not need a "ds" or if I was not able to
find a way to disable the status line.

There are probably lots of other ways
to do this.  For instance, you can change
the color if that suits you.

--
Roger J. Allen                Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center
System Administrator                                   Chicago,  IL   USA
Surgical Information Systems                       Voice:  (312)-942-4825
Internet: [e-mail]                         FAX:  [phone]


: --

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From: [e-mail] (kendall thomason shaw)
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Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider:

def portal -
  set flow rts/cts -
  d {portal} -
  if fail end 1 -
  c -
  pause 2 -
  out \15 -
etc.

However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script.

How do I delimit portal if that's my problem?




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Kendall Shaw                        "Oops spoo."
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (kendall thomason shaw) writes:
>
> Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented
> characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions
> standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set
> transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I
> still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more,
> but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful.
---------------
    Ah yes. The writer is using a different display character set than
you are, and the transmission software had not a clue about how to deal
with character sets.
    At the risk of preaching to the choir, Kermits know how to deal with
this cleanly and effectively, for terminal emulation and file transfer.
    You did not indicate which platform you were using to read the
traffic so advice is a little limited here. May I suggest trying MSK
on a DOS machine, and change your DOS Code Page to match the other end
(try CP850 first, versus the default CP437). The finer points of character
sets and Kermits are explained at length in the user's manuals: "Using
MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C Kermit." Worth reading more about it, as we
keep saying to people.
        Btw, the terms "standard-european-display" and "iso-accent-mode"
are extremely vague when referring to character sets. Please read our
manuals to obtain a firmer grip than Emacs can exert.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Wouk)
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i connect to the net by dial-up connection to a bsd machine, through
c-kermit 5A(190).

occasionally, i need to telnet to an SGI machine running irix4 (i
believe), and running as its newsreader nn. when i do so, if i invoke
the news reader, i am thrown into reverse video on my home machine.

is there any way, while in c-kermit, to issue a command that will
return me to reverse video, while still in nn remotely? or is is a
problem to be dealt with in the underlying machine softare, rather
than thorugh c-kermit?
--
--
arthur wouk
internet: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ryan J. Maley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It
>works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I
>launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts
>and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work
>perfectly in interactive mode.
>
>I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck.
>I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for
>AXP 6.1.
>
>Any suggestions?

I had this problem and I upgraded to the latest versions and it
went away.  I don't use the define/user sys$input sys$command and
it works fine.  I don't have the versions with me at this moment
but if you mail me I'll send them to you tomorrow.

I'm running on a VAX 3100 and an Alpha AXP.

    Erik
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                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
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In article <3cpkvm$[e-mail]>,
James Sturdevant <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Erik Hatcher ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: ...
>: And have a macro to send a file like this...
>
>:         send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a
>
>Try this:
>          asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL)
>          send \%f \%a
>
>There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable
>names in C-Kermit 5A.  (At least, there used to be...)
>

Can't do the "asg".  I'm running in batch mode.  That's not
the problem anyway.

Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send"
gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just
"read") open.  If it's closed send works fine.

    Erik
--
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http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Cc:

In article <[e-mail]>,
kendall thomason shaw <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented
>characters (irish)...
>
You do?  I though LISTSERV was strictly 7-bit.  Maybe you have a mail
agent that encodes and decodes 8-bit characters?

>...and I see in emacs there are functions
>standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set
>transfer character-set latin1...
>
That's for file transfer, not terminal emulation.  Please read the manual
(info below).

>...but this does not change anything, I
>still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more,
>but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful.
>
In MS-DOS Kermit (3.00 or later):

  SET PARITY NONE
  SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET NONE

In EMACS 19.xx (not 18.xx or earlier):

(require 'disp-table)
(standard-display-8bit 160 255)
(load "iso-syntax")
(load "iso-insert")
(set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode))
        (nth 1 (current-input-mode))
        0)


This assumes that the message really contains Latin-1 characters.

- Frank

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I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a HP9000.
Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z works, the old
TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is outputting the escape
sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because I can start APC from a UNIX
script, just not from this MAPPERC software. Has anyone else had problems with
APC?

Thanks


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3cld9e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Wesley Hart) writes:
> In <3ckjds$[e-mail]> [e-mail] ( Eeyore ) writes:
>
>>    This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
>>    words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
>>    way to turn it off?
>>                Thanks a lot.
>
> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well.  Right now it looks like
> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible
> to read.
---------
    So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you
prefer. Did I miss a point here?
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Simon C.Hall)
Subject: kermit on a apple][+
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anyone use kermit on an apple][+?
I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it.
thanks.


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
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Hello,

How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special
sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term
program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have
to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine.

Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (-M.BAKER) writes:
> Hi:
>
> We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX
> system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows.
> I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking
> honors.
>
> The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from
> Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF
> distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize
> it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what
> "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so].  Then when they
> return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'.  The TCP-IP connection no longer
> seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response
> to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the
> connection is up.  I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON
> looking for clues, but no luck.
>
> The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file.
> Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise
> Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs
> say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time
> is allocated.  I've played with these the best I could with no apparent
> luck.  It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other
> apps. anyhow.
>
> When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine
> even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows.
>
> Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas,
> etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem.
> Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group
> would be most welcome.
--------------
    Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14
beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current
Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK
to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration.
After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the
connection was just fine.
    A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's
shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in
Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes
and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after
you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit.
If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order.
    Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong
to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it
wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with
serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the
competing hardware and/or Window's drivers.
    The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using
winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from
netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix
tasks in memory (absent minded Professor).
    Joe D.

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Hi:

We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX
system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows.
I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking
honors.

The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from
Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF
distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize
it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what
"a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so].  Then when they
return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'.  The TCP-IP connection no longer
seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response
to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the
connection is up.  I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON
looking for clues, but no luck.

The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file.
Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise
Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs
say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time
is allocated.  I've played with these the best I could with no apparent
luck.  It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other
apps. anyhow.

When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine
even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows.

Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas,
etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem.
Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group
would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance & Happy Holidays!

Maurice Baker
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel
mrbaker  @  hodcs.att.com



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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jamie Watson) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>    The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means
>>to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable
>>Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more
>>or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to
>>go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack."
>>I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still
>>using all the TCP/IP material.
>
> Sigh.  I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question.  I read
> about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously
> not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what
> it really meant.  I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit
> and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to
> think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just
> shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns.  Anyway,
> I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting
> kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it
> works just fine.  Thanks for the help.
>
>>    If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit
>>over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit
>>SET PORT BIOS1.
>
> This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed.  I first
> tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine.  I then tried the
> command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change
> the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but
> it still doesn't work.  The command I gave was:
>
>     tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect
>
> This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately
> says "Connection closed".  I have tried just starting kermit without the
> commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit
> myself, but I got the same result.  Am I still doing something wrong?  By
> the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the
> difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was
> written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier.
---------------
    Works here, but without the "-i" option. That option is supposed
to keep the Telnet session open until the external terminal emulator loads
(which makes sense, but why would we need a option for something as necessary
as this?), and <something, antecedent unclear in the manual> sends an Int 14h
init command.
    If I include the -i option then the connection is closed by the
time the terminal emulation screen comes up, else it stays open. Go figure.
    The same thing happens with MSK 3.13.
    Please follow directions from the vendor of the product you are
using. For Tnglass follow those of FTP Software Inc for tnglass options
of the version you have.
    Joe D.

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I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!)
but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu.
What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's?
Where is the latest version located, and old is it?

Thanks
Chuck

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Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file.

Problem:  The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for
my purposes.  I would like to only deal with the text portion.

Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff?  Or is there
a setting in KERMIT I can set to?

Frank


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In article <3cnbak$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Franklin Hsia) says:

>Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file.

>Problem:  The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for
>my purposes.  I would like to only deal with the text portion.

>Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff?  Or is there
>a setting in KERMIT I can set to?

Try using DOS and MS-Kermit as shown in the following .BAT file to
to convert the DOS capture file capfile.vt to capfile.txt:

@Echo off
REM Filename: FIXVT.BAT
REM Purpose: DOS Batch code to remove escape sequences from VTxxx capture
REM          files using MS-Kermit as the working tool.
REM By: Skip Knoble, Penn State Center for Academic Computing
REM Input file: capfile.vt
REM Output file: capfile.txt
REM Platform: any PC and DOS that will run MS-Kermit 3.13 or 3.14
REM -------------------------------------------------------------------------

REM The character string, Esc OpenBracket ? 5 i  when prepended to
REM the VTxxx capture file is the code to "turn on" the PC Printer.
REM Usage Note:
REM You must replace the phrase "ESC OpenBracket " in the next echo
REM statement with two contiguous characters: ASCII 27 ASCII 91
REM before running this .BAT REM file on your PC. This is only to
REM allow this DOS algorithm to appear as NON-DOS printable prose.
REM (With DOS 5.x 6.x "ESC" can be entered via DOS EDIT by pressing:
REM Ctrl-P,Ctrl-OpenBracket. Before DOS 5.0 occurrences of "echo." can be
REM replaced by "echo LineFeed" where LineFeed is the ASCII 10 character.)
echo ESC OpenBracket ?5i > temp.txt
copy temp.txt /b + capfile.vt /b > nul

REM Append some linefeeds to the end to set up a message to end user.
echo. >> temp.txt
Echo ------- Text from CAPFILE.VT appears above this line ------- >> temp.txt
FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 * 1 2 3 4 5 ) DO echo. >> temp.txt
REM Append that message and LF's to roll rest of replayed session off screen.
echo Please press Alt-X now to return to DOS >> temp.txt
FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5) DO echo. >> temp.txt

REM Invoke Kermit to convert the file temp.txt to capfile.txt
REM Setting port BIOSn will allow MS-Kermit to do its thing, even while
REM something else (e.g., SLIP driver)may be using COMn, without disturbing
REM this COM port session.
kermit -f nul, set port bios1, set print capfile.txt, replay temp.txt

erase temp.txt
if exist capfile.txt Echo Output file is capfile.txt.
REM ---End FIXVT.BAT ---

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Hung Chau ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character
: unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me
: and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone
: can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly
: am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character
: unprefixing.

:                         Thank You


Thank you to all those who send reply to me.   There was simply too many people for
me to write personal thank you note to.  I was very surprised and well pleased
that there were so many nice and wonderful people who went out of their way to
help me.  Again thank you very much everyone for you time and especially Frank
da Cruz for "inventing" Kermit and Joe R. Doupnik for making MS-Kermit
absolutely the best communication package in the PC world bar none.


                        Hung Chau

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I need to view 8-bit Chinese Characters in a DOS Chinese system, so I hope
that I can switch to DOS com program when I want to see Chinese characters.
But when ckermit active, I can not open other com program and when I close
ckermit it will hang-up modem.

Any suggestion?

Ching-Mo

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From: [e-mail] (Ching Mo Chang)
Subject: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT)
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Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off?

To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can
use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in
MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just
got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on).

If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates.

Ching-Mo

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Russell Nelson) writes:
> In article <3c96mj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Larry Powell) writes:
>
>       I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with
>    the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a
>    brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed
>    to initialize and/or self test.
>
> ARCNET won't work with Kermit.  ARCETHER should.  If it doesn't
> initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line?  What version
> of ARCETHER and command line did you use?
---------------
    As Russ indicates, Kermit does not understand Arcnet per se. Thus
either run over an Arcnet to Ethernet Packet Driver, ARCETHER, or use
ODI. Since NetWare is involved you are probably better advised to use ODI
these days (and the VLMs etc of current shell technology).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14)
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In article <3bul2u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
> I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do
> with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I
> noted an inconsistency (or bug?).
>
> The telnet macro in mskermit.ini:
>
> define TELNET -
>   set flow none,-
>   set port tcp \%1 \%2,-
>   pause 0, if fail end 1,-
>   if def \%3 set term type \%3,-
>   if succ c
>
> and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini:
>
>  define myhost -
>    telnet myhost 23 vt320,-
>    if success assign myhost telnet \v(session)
>
> set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet
> term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the
> myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly --
> the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote
> TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??)
>
> BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command
>  SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE."
>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet
> term-type".
-----------
    It's not your fault, it's ours.
    In reality the MSK command SET PORT TCP/IP acquires just two
arguments: host and port number. It doesn't look for a terminal type.
The way to use a different terminal type is SET TERMINAL TYPE kind
or just SET TERMINAL kind. This will pass along to the host, upon
request, the same terminal type spelling we see in commands. Here is
the canned list, lifted from the code:
    "UNKNOWN","H-19","VT52","VT100","VT102","VT220","VT320",
    "TEK4014","VIP7809","PT200","D463","D470","wyse50","ANSI"

    As you point out, the program uses SET TCP/IP TERM-TYPE ident
as the way to tell the host a different identication string than the
default method.
    The docs will be modified to be clear and correct on both items.
    Thanks,
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (ken crossman)
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Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows
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Hello Joe:

Another window-ish question:

Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually
Novells.

We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which
can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging).

Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions
when using Winsock?

Thanks.

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Subject: Re: Status line
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (kendall thomason shaw) writes:
>> Hello,
>>     I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to
>> have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49
>> screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50
>> screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi
>> will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they
>> write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with
>> the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status
>> line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with
>> termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd
>> be pleased. Here's my termcap entry:
> ------------
>     The last line, status, is an integral part of VT terminals. There
> is no way of making that part of the regular screen.
>     Joe D.

This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're talking about.
For the VT300 series, there is no way to incorporate the status line
as part of the main screen, although some implementations (eg, DECterm,
a VT320-level implementation on DEC workstations) allow you to select
the status line or not, and also allow you to set the size of the main
screen (up to perhaps 72x132 or so being reasonable if you have a
1280x1024 screen), which gives you much the same capability that's being
asked for here.  However if the host software requests a status line, the
DECterm will helpfully create it for you (keeping your main window the
same size but possibly making the entire window too big to quite fit on
the screen if you've made it big).

The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to combine the
status line with the main screen so that you get true 25x80 screen
addressing but no status line.  It also allows you to set the terminal
in 36 or 48-line modes, but I think those include a separate status
line.  I don't know offhand what the VT420 does with the "Select Status
Line" commands if it's in 25x80 mode;  the terminal I've usually
experimented with for such questions is on the other side of town, and
the documentation around here is vague on the subject.

The subject of compatibility with VT-series status lines is rather
subtle.  I have yet to see any terminal emulator, commercial or
otherwise (including Kermit and even DEC's Pathworks terminal
emulator, I might add) that quite gets it all right.

Bruce C. Wright

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file!
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>Can't do the "asg".  I'm running in batch mode.  That's not
>the problem anyway.

Oops!  :)  I spoke too quickly.  I misread the "asg" and
thought we were talking about an "askq"!  My apologies.
I most certainly could do that in batch mode.

But the below is still truth...

>
>Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send"
>gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just
>"read") open.  If it's closed send works fine.
>
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

From [e-mail] Sat Dec 17 21:21:45 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ching Mo Chang <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off?
>
>To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can
>use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in
>MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just
>got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on).
>
>If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates.
>
>Ching-Mo

The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must
the ports file handle as a parameter.  It cannot try to open the port
directly.
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Duffy Men)
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Subject: HELP!! How to set DTR ignore in kermit
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I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connection to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5
computer.  I setup my modem &D0 to ignore the DTR when exit (no hang
up).  I can dial-out no problem, but if I exit kermit, the modem will
hang up.  It is not what I want.  Can anyone tell me how to set Kermit
DTR ignore?  Thank you for help.


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I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5
computer.  I setup my modem &D0 to ignore  DTR when exit (don't hnagup).
In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit.  My
modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line).
CAn anyone tell me how to do it?  Thank you.

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Burns)
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Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode?
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It is a known problem with that release. Upgrade to 5A(190) from:

watsun.cc.columbia.edu

scott

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] ( Eeyore )
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    This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the
    words in the subject when they are highlighted.  Is there a
    way to turn it off?
                Thanks a lot.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Brown)
Subject: MSK3.13 & MS TCP/IP-32 ?
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A preliminary inquiry...

Can MS Kermit 3.13 run from MS Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in a window when
MS TCP/IP-32 is also selected as a protocol?  I'd be wanting to use IPXODI
(an I gather ODIPKT together with WINPKT).  I see from the docs that MSK
will run in a window over odi when odipkt and winpkt are run on top...but
with only one physical board it looks like MS TCP/IP-32 and MSK's internal
TCP stack equate to two tcp's, which is a no-no.

Comments, suggestions and pointers welcomed.

Thank you.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT)
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In article <3cvkpa$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Ching Mo Chang <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off?
>>
>>To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can
>>use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in
>>MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just
>>got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on).
>>
>>If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates.
>>
>>Ching-Mo
>
> The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must
> the ports file handle as a parameter.  It cannot try to open the port
> directly.
----------------
    In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit command to change
the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit terminals (assuming a parity
of NONE) is
    SET TERM DISPLAY {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively
    SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as above}, or alternatively
    SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus file transfer screen options}
These are aliases of the same command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the
active setting.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Nicolae P. Costescu)
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Subject: Where can I ftp mskermit?
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Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does
mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found
for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no
problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows
use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll
do big blocks.

Thanks

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (-M.BAKER) writes:
>> Hi:
>>
>> We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX
>> system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows.
>> I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking
>> honors.
>>
>> The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from
>> Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF
>> distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize
>> it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what
>> "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so].  Then when they
>> return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'.  The TCP-IP connection no longer
>> seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response
>> to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the
>> connection is up.  I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON
>> looking for clues, but no luck.
>>
>> The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file.
>> Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise
>> Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs
>> say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time
>> is allocated.  I've played with these the best I could with no apparent
>> luck.  It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other
>> apps. anyhow.
>>
>> When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine
>> even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows.
>>
>> Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas,
>> etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem.
>> Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group
>> would be most welcome.
>--------------
>    Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14
>beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current
>Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK
>to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration.
>After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the
>connection was just fine.
>    A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's
>shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in
>Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes
>and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after
>you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit.
>If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order.
>    Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong
>to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it
>wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with
>serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the
>competing hardware and/or Window's drivers.
>    The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using
>winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from
>netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix
>tasks in memory (absent minded Professor).
>    Joe D.

Hi Joe:

Many thanks for your quick & thorough reply(ies) to my question(s).  I'm
posting this in the hopes that it may be of interest to others.

I have not tried your 2-argument packet driver yet (I will this morning).
I'll report back on the results.

Meanwhile, I had a chance to repeat the experiment.....running Kermit under
MS-Windows, but using Lan WorkPlace's TELAPI in lieu of the 3c5x9pd/winpkt
combination.  I started it on Saturday afternoon and minimized it along
with a bunch of other Windows tasks.  When I came in, I remaximized it
and it was still logged into the UNIX system fine.  So to me, this suggests
that you are on target about the packet driver or thereabouts.

Once again, thanks!

M. Baker
AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel
mrbaker  @  hodcs.att.com


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nicolae P. Costescu) writes:
> Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does
> mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found
> for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no
> problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows
> use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll
> do big blocks.
--------------
    You've come to the right place.
    Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu for all Columbia Kermits. The release
level MSK is v3.13 and it's in both kermit/bin (binary archive msvibm.zip)
and the full sources + docs in kermit/a. Beta-15 of MSK v3.14 (pretty solid
and almost ready for release) is in kermit/test/bin, archive file mstibm.zip.
    MS-DOS Kermit does it all, and usually a good deal better than the
non-Columbia editions. Long packets? Of course, 9KB, and up to 32 window
slots of them if you have the memory (though that's really gross overkill).
Sliding Windows? Definitely, 32 slots, not a mere 2 or 4. Unprefix control
codes IF your link tolerates it and you are willing to risk it? You bet.
    Time to go raid&plunder.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Nutter)
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I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000
students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal
program.  All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a
comprehensive set of macros written by our own Systems group, and it works
quite well.

The Mac version, however, is a different story.  I had (189) running long
enough to set up and test some basic log-in macros, but now suddenly I can
no longer get either (189) or (190) to run (keeps crashing in an area that
Macsbug identifies as "mberto+xxxx", where xxxx is some fairly large hex
number).  Thinking that maybe this problem is local to my machine, I have
given a number of people copies of (190), but now they are reporting that it
crashes on their machine also.  Lots of PowerMac crashes, but I'm on a
Quadra 660AV running System 7.1.

Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit?  Is
anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit?  I'd like to compare
notes with somebody before I file a formal bug report.  Or is there some
known problems running Mac Kermit under System 7.1 and later?

Thanks.

Mark Nutter
Tech Support at Indiana Univ. of PA
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I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem),
but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

                    Thanks in advance,
                    Brian Degregorio


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From: [e-mail] (kendall thomason shaw)
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I'm going to post this to comp.terminals for maximum annoyance potential:

Hello,
    Here I am trying to figure out how to write my termcap entry and
my terminal setup stuff for msdos kermit which I use to dial in to my
SunOS 4.1.3 shell account. I have a few questions. First, I'm not sure
that I am clear about how the dialogue takes place between kermit's
vt320 emulation, and my shell. My using msdos kermit book describes
terminal character sets:

C0 being 7 bit "ASCII" control characters, e.g. ^N, ^O, ^J etc.
C1 being 8 bit ISO-6249 control characters, e.g. \E[, \EH, etc.
G0 being a 94 character character set
G1 being a 94 (or 96?) character character set
G2 being a 94 or 96 character character set
G3 "

And then there's GL and GR (Graphics Left and Right)

GL holds the selected character set for C0 from G0-3
GR holds the selected character set for C1 from G0-3

Actually it says GL indicates which set to use if a 7 bit graphic
character arrives, and GR for an 8 bit character.

A DECSCL (ESC[ Pl;Pc"p, or CSI Pl;Pc"p) can select the use of 8 or 7
bit controls.

Single shifts SS2 and SS3 (or ESC N and ESC O) shift a character set
into GL from G2 and G3 respectively for the following character.

Locking shifts ESC n and ESC o do the same until disabled.

Locking shifts ^N and ^O do the same from G1 and G0.

And locking shifts right 3, 2, and 1 (ESC |, ESC }, and ESC ~) modify
GR.

SCS (various sequences) can be used to designate an identifed
character set to a umm character set e.g. ISO Latin-1 into G2.

The character set identifiers listed include those for various
languages, and some line drawing sets.

And kermit has a command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT which
displays all 8 bit characters.

And then in my termcap manual there is a parameter ac in which to
specify pairs of characters to translate for line drawing. I assume
this is the same as for the terminfo parameter acsc, where various
"glyphs" are defined. So for example an upper left hand corner box
character is refered to by the letter l, so you put l with your
tranlation immediately after, all in a row.

There are also enacs and smacs (eA and 'as' in termcap), for
"enabling" and "starting" an alternate character set.

First of all, I am not sure what symbols the following glyphs refer
to:

lantern symbol
board of squares
scan line 1, scan line 9, and horizontal line (top bottom and middle?)

Then, I'm confused. If I dial in with an 8 bit line, I can stick to 8
bit controls (as far as what I put in my termcap)? Can I put 8 bit
control sequences into my termcap files? And in the alternate
character set capabilites am I to put literally the graphic character
from the appropriate character set in the string? Ascii 4 is a diamond
shaped character (7 bits), where as the solid box character is 219 (8 bits)
in code page 850 and others. If there's only one capability string for
enabling an alternate character set does this mean that I can only
choose wether I want bullets and diamonds, or line drawing characters?

Also, the strings I put in the termcap are to tell the host what
strings to send, or are they what strings to expect? I guess they have
to be what to send, but does that mean that I can't send an escape
sequence, or is my typing an escape sequence only a dialogue between
my keyboard and my terminal emulator? I don't have clear categories in
my head.

And last, there's a capability string al1 (al in termcap), to add a
line below the current line, with scrolling. I don't see this in the
kermit manual if it is something other than CR. Does anyone know
differently?

thanks



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From: [e-mail] (Eugene Tyurin)
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I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference
between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me,
the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on
it's saved settings file. :^(

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3chq4g$[e-mail]>, Duffy Men <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5
>computer.  I setup my modem &D0 to ignore  DTR when exit (don't hnagup).
>In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit.  My
>modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line).
>CAn anyone tell me how to do it?  Thank you.
>
&D0 should indeed make the modem ignore DTR.  Maybe you also have to make
the modem ignore other signals too.

Maybe the line is "bidirectional", in which case some kind of getty or
init or login process takes it over when Kermit closes it, and maybe this
other process is hanging it up?

You can, by the way, suspend C-Kermit rather than exiting from it.  This
will leave the connection open for other processes to use, as long as they
aren't bothered by C-Kermit's lockfile.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: send-init packet
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeff Bishop <[e-mail]> wrote:
>How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special
>sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term
>program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have
>to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine.
>
If you look at the Kermit protocol specification, you can see that
the initial Kermit packet can contain almost any sequence of characters.
There is no way a terminal emulator can be expected to recognize a Kermit
packet.  You could say that Kermit packets start with Ctrl-A, but (a) they
do not necessarily start with Ctrl-A, and (b) Ctrl-A (or any other control
character) might be meaningful to the terminal emulator.  The only reliable
way to get a terminal emulator to switch into file transfer mode is to send
it an escape sequence that is meaningful to it, which is exactly what APC
is for.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jay S. Rouman)
Subject: Re: Help!  Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Mark Nutter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit?  Is
>anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit?  I'd like to compare

We have quite a few copies of Mac Kermit 189 running on SLC's and
Powerbooks being operated by fairly novice users and I have not gotten
any reports of crashes.  According to Frank's notes, the state of the
Mac version of C-Kermit is far from what he would like, but I have
found it to be quite usable.
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From: [e-mail] (Eugene Tyurin)
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Well, for me the problem with Mac Kermit 0.991(190) as opposed to
0.99(190) is simple (and I've posted it here several days ago): I
can create a settings file, but I cannot run 0.991 by clicking on
it. :^)

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 beta-15 command-line editing bug
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Daniel S. Lewart) writes:
> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>
>>  . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back.
>
> Thanks!  Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur.
> Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line
> will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time:
>     set duplex f<Esc><Enter>
>     set duplex f<Esc>
>
>     set duplex f<Esc><Enter>
>     set duplex h<Esc>
>
>     set duplex h<Esc><Enter>
>     set duplex f<Esc>
>
>     set duplex h<Esc><Enter>
>     set duplex h<Esc>
> where <Esc> means the Escape key and <Enter> means the Enter key.  Really.
---------
    Yup. Fixed now (post beta-15) here.
    Thanks,
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how?
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In article <3cnbak$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Franklin Hsia) writes:
> Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file.
>
> Problem:  The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for
> my purposes.  I would like to only deal with the text portion.
>
> Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff?  Or is there
> a setting in KERMIT I can set to?
-----------
    The next time "print to disk" and use the controller print option.
This means SET PRINTER filename, and rather than LOG SESSION press
Control-Printscreen keys to start logging this way. Only completed lines
are logged, not how the lines are put together with cursor commands etc.
Control-Printscreen is a toggle, the ON state shows as "PRN" on the status
line.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (James Sturdevant)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file!
Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:48:22 GMT
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Erik Hatcher ([e-mail]) wrote:

: ...
: And have a macro to send a file like this...

:         send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a

Try this:
          asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL)
          send \%f \%a

There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable
names in C-Kermit 5A.  (At least, there used to be...)

JamesS



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From: [e-mail] (Ryan J. Maley)
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Subject: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode?
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Hi,

I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It
works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I
launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts
and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work
perfectly in interactive mode.

I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck.
I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for
AXP 6.1.

Any suggestions?

-
Ryan J. Maley
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode?
Date: 15 Dec 1994 15:27:46 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ryan J. Maley)
writes:
>Hi,
>
>I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It
>works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I
>launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts
>and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work
>perfectly in interactive mode.
>
>I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck.
>I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for
>AXP 6.1.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>-
>Ryan J. Maley
>[e-mail]

Try this command in your DCL program just before the run Kermit command:

$ define/user_mode sys$input sys$command


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From [e-mail] Wed Dec 21 04:57:27 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Adam H. Lewenberg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: OS/2 Ckermit, Ctrl-C and command-line arguments
Date: 21 Dec 1994 04:57:27 GMT
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>It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I
>type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had
>this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from
>the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the
>program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen?
>
>  Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg    [e-mail]

I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a
command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different
initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command
line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate
kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate
just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid.
           Adam Lewenberg   [e-mail]
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<3cobav$[e-mail]> was cancelled from within rn.

From [e-mail] Wed Dec 21 07:15:37 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 Ckermit, Ctrl-C and command-line arguments
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In article <3d8cjn$[e-mail]>,
Adam H. Lewenberg <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a
>command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different
>initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command
>line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate
>kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate
>just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid.
>           Adam Lewenberg   [e-mail]
>--

Adam:

I just tried this.  I copied my ckermod.ini file to a new name and then
started ckermit with a -y parameter listing the new ini file.

Then typed ^C repeatedly.  Nothing happened.

the only place in the code where there is a problem handling ^C is
in the dial command.  If the dial command is interrupted with a ^C
from that point forward there can be problems.  (I'm working on it.)

Would you mind contacting me directly about this so that we can get
to the bottom of it quickly?  Net-news is so slow.

Send me a copy of your modem.ini file so that I can try to replicate
the problem.


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*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

From [e-mail] Mon Dec 19 20:18:05 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: kermit on a apple][+
Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands
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In <[e-mail]> Simon C.Hall writes:

> anyone use kermit on an apple][+?
> I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it.

Until I retired my Apple II systems two years ago, I used the Apple-II
version of Kermit as terminal emulator on them. Good vt100 emulation,
acceptable speed (about 6000bps) and a very stable binary (especially
the ProDOS version). The Apple-II kermit distribution also containes
a Unix 6502 cross-assembler, which I used quite a lot. I believe the
most current release is 3.87.

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From [e-mail] Wed Dec 21 09:39:33 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Giovanni Ciampa)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: DEC LAT multisession capabilities?
Date: 21 Dec 1994 09:39:33 GMT
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Subject sums it up really...

Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does
anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package?

    Gio


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
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Subject: a friend having a problem
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Hello,

                        MS-Kermit Trouble Report

Date:  December 21, 1994
From:  [e-mail]

Description:  Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000"
              is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro.

Harware:      See msd report
Software:     MS-DOS Version 5.00
              Desqview 2.4
              kermit.exe  3.14
                228936    11-21-94  16:06    KERMIT.EXE
                103994    11-21-94  16:06    KERLITE.EXE

Details:      {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides
              a way to execute external protocols.  Commo ver 6.41

              This is done with a macro command called {EXECute }

{exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive}

              The example command line works fine.

              However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is
              specified from this context, the result is a locked
              machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1.
              A cold boot is required to reset.

What's been tried:   Varying the position of the "set receive" parm
                     This results in a lock-up

                     Attempt with kerlite.exe
                     Results in a lock-up

                     Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command.
                     This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room
                     for other programs.  Locks-up.

                     set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini
                     This works and is in use

                     Setting receive packet-length from Kermit>
                     prompt also works, no trouble at all.


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  1
    ========================================================================

    -------------------- --- Customer Information

                                 Name: Chuck Seyboldt

    ------------------- ---- Summary Information

                      Computer: American Megatrend, 486DX
                        Memory: 621K, 7424K Ext, 7136K EMS, 736K XMS
                         Video: VGA, Video Seven, V-RAM
                       Network: No Network
                    OS Version: MS-DOS Version 5.00
                         Mouse: Logitech Serial Mouse
                Other Adapters:
                   Disk Drives: A: B: C: D: E: F: G: H:
                     LPT Ports: 1
                     COM Ports: 2
           Windows Information: 3.10, Not Active

    -------- --------------------- Computer

                        Computer Name: American Megatrends
                    BIOS Manufacturer: American Megatrends
                         BIOS Version: RDV 1.20
                        BIOS Category: IBM PC/AT
                        BIOS ID Bytes: FC 01 00
                            BIOS Date: 07/07/91
                            Processor: 486DX
                     Math Coprocessor: Internal
                             Keyboard: Enhanced
                             Bus Type: ISA/AT/Classic Bus
                       DMA Controller: Yes
                        Cascaded IRQ2: Yes
                    BIOS Data Segment: None


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  2
    ========================================================================

    ------ ------------------------ Memory

     Legend:  Available "  "  RAM "##"  ROM "RR"  Possibly Available ".."
       EMS Page Frame "PP"  Used UMBs "UU"  Free UMBs "FF"
     1024K FC00 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FFFF  Conventional Memory
           F800 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FBFF                 Total: 621K
           F400 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F7FF             Available: 443K
      960K F000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F3FF                        454352 bytes
           EC00 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EFFF
           E800 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EBFF  Extended Memory
           E400 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E7FF                 Total: 7424K
      896K E000 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E3FF
           DC00 ################ DFFF  Expanded Memory (EMS)
           D800 ################ DBFF           LIM Version: 4.00
           D400 ################ D7FF    Page Frame Address: E000H
      832K D000 ################ D3FF                 Total: 7136K
           CC00 ################ CFFF             Available: 736K
           C800 ################ CBFF
           C400 RRRRRRRR........ C7FF  XMS Information
      768K C000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR C3FF           XMS Version: 3.00
           BC00 ################ BFFF        Driver Version: 6.00
           B800 ################ BBFF      A20 Address Line: Enabled
           B400                  B7FF      High Memory Area: In use
      704K B000                  B3FF             Available: 736K
           AC00                  AFFF    Largest Free Block: 736K
           A800                  ABFF        Available SXMS: 736K
           A400                  A7FF     Largest Free SXMS: 736K
      640K A000                  A3FF
                                       VCPI Information
                                              VCPI Detected: Yes
                                                    Version: 1.00
                                           Available Memory: 748K

    ----- ------------------------- Video

              Video Adapter Type: VGA
                    Manufacturer: Video Seven
                           Model: V-RAM
                    Display Type: VGA Color
                      Video Mode: 3
               Number of Columns: 80
                  Number of Rows: 25
              Video BIOS Version: Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10
                 Video BIOS Date: 01/24/89
          VESA Support Installed: No
               Secondary Adapter: None

    ------- ---------------------- Network

                             Network Detected: No


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  3
    ========================================================================

    ---------- ------------------ OS Version

                       Operating System: MS-DOS 5.00
                      Internal Revision: 00
                      OEM Serial Number: FFH
                     User Serial Number: 000000H
                     OEM Version String: MS-DOS Version 5.00
                         DOS Located in: HMA
                             Boot Drive: C:
                        TopView Version: 1.10
                        Path to Program: D:\CO\dl\MSD.EXE

                              Environment Strings
         -------------------------------------------------------------
         TEMP=h:\scratch
         DSZLOG=d:\co\sav\commo.log
         FF=cdefh
         COMSPEC=i:\command.com
         EXTRA2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on
         PATH=I:\;D:\UUPC\BIN;..;C:\UTIL;C:\DOS;C:\;G:\DV
         MJOG=FILE:d:\co\sav\calendar
         PROMPT=$e[1;31m[CO]$e[0m $p$g

    ----- ------------------------- Mouse

                         Mouse Hardware: Logitech Serial Mouse
                    Driver Manufacturer: No Mouse Driver

    -------------- ------------ Other Adapters

                          Game Adapter: Not Detected


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  4
    ========================================================================

    ----------- ---------------- Disk Drives

      Drive  Type                                  Free Space  Total Size
      -----  ------------------------------------  ----------  ----------
        A:   Floppy Drive, 5.25" 1.2M
               80 Cylinders, 2 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 15 Sectors/Track
        B:   Floppy Drive, 3.5" 1.44M
               80 Cylinders, 2 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 18 Sectors/Track
        C:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 47                    276K       5140K
               37 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               872 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               35 Sectors/Track
        D:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                     506K         20M
               147 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        E:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                      15M         29M
               220 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        F:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                      15M         20M
               147 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        G:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                    1030K         20M
               147 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        H:   Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0                    5352K         23M
               173 Cylinders, 8 Heads
               512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track
             CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters
               306 Cylinders, 4 Heads
               17 Sectors/Track
        I:   RAM Disk                                   1313K       1529K
               512 Bytes/Sector
        J:   CD-ROM Drive
      MSCDEX Version 2.21 Installed
      LASTDRIVE=J:


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  5
    ========================================================================

    --------- ------------------- LPT Ports

                  Port     On     Paper    I/O    Time
         Port   Address   Line     Out    Error    Out    Busy     ACK
         -----  -------   ----    -----   -----   ----    ----     ---
         LPT1:   0378H     Yes     Yes     No      No      Yes     No
         LPT2:     -        -       -       -       -       -       -
         LPT3:     -        -       -       -       -       -       -

    --------- ------------------- COM Ports

                                  COM1:      COM2:      COM3:      COM4:
                                  -----      -----      -----      -----
       Port Address               03F8H      02F8H        N/A        N/A
       Baud Rate                  19200       1200
       Parity                      None       None
       Data Bits                      8          8
       Stop Bits                      1          1
       Carrier Detect (CD)           No         No
       Ring Indicator (RI)           No         No
       Data Set Ready (DSR)         Yes        Yes
       Clear To Send (CTS)          Yes        Yes
       UART Chip Used              8250       8250

    ------------------- ---- Windows Information

                      Windows version: 3.10
                         Windows mode: Not Active
                    Windows Directory: G:\WIN31
                     System Directory: G:\WIN31\SYSTEM

          Filename                          Size         Date     Time
        ----------------------------  ---------------  --------  -----
        VPASD.386                          18784        5/05/92  14:31
        MSCVMD.386                          9327        3/10/92   3:10
        LANMAN10.386                        8786        3/10/92   3:10
        V7VDD.386                          40385        3/10/92   3:10
        VTDAPI.386                          5245        3/10/92   3:10


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    ========================================================================

    ---------- ------------------ IRQ Status

    IRQ  Address    Description       Detected            Handled By
    ---  ---------  ----------------  ------------------  ----------------
      0  0861:F437  Timer Click       Yes                 XDV.COM
      1  0861:7114  Keyboard          Yes                 XDV.COM
      2  F000:EA97  Second 8259A      Yes                 BIOS
      3  F000:EA97  COM2: COM4:       COM2:               BIOS
      4  2A06:1427  COM1: COM3:       COM1:               COMMO.EXE
      5  F000:EA97  LPT2:             No                  BIOS
      6  F000:EF57  Floppy Disk       Yes                 BIOS
      7  0070:06F4  LPT1:             Yes                 System Area
      8  F000:EA42  Real-Time Clock   Yes                 BIOS
      9  F000:EECF  Redirected IRQ2   Yes                 BIOS
     10  F000:EA97  (Reserved)                            BIOS
     11  F000:EA97  (Reserved)                            BIOS
     12  F000:EA97  (Reserved)                            BIOS
     13  F000:EED8  Math Coprocessor  Yes                 BIOS
     14  F000:E845  Fixed Disk        Yes                 BIOS
     15  F000:FF53  (Reserved)                            BIOS


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    ========================================================================

    ------------ --------------- TSR Programs

     Program Name        Address   Size   Command Line Parameters
     ------------------  -------  ------  --------------------------------
     System Data           027C    20368
       QEMM386             027E     3072  EMMXXXX0
       LOADHI              033F      304  Block Device
       LOADHI              0353      256  SMARTAAR
       LOADHI              0364      256  CDROM
       MVSOUND             0375     9136  MVPROAS
       File Handles        05B1     5552
       FCBS                070D      256
       BUFFERS             071E      512
       Directories         073F      880
     System Code           0776       64
     COMMAND.COM           077B     2368   /hw:0e:L
     COMMAND.COM           0810       64   /hw:0e:L
     COMMAND.COM           0815      256   /hw:0e:L
     XDV.COM               0826      272   /hw:0e:L
     XDV.COM               0838      592   /hw:0e:L
     XDV.COM               085E   120752   /hw:0e:L
     ???                   25DA      304   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     COMMAND.COM           25EE     2368   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     ???                   2683      272   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     ???                   2695       80   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     CED.COM               269B      288   -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg
     DNANSI                26AE     1744
     CED.COM               271C    11360   -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg
     COMMO.EXE             29E3      272   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     COMMO.EXE             29F5     6432   /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm
     ???                   2B88      272
     COMMAND.COM           2B9A     2368
     ???                   2C2F      256
     MSD.EXE               2C40      272
     MSD.EXE               2C52   345120
     MSD.EXE               8095     8192
     MSD.EXE               8296    10032
     MSD.EXE               850A     4048
     Free Memory           8608    87568


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    ========================================================================

    -------------- ------------ Device Drivers

          Device        Filename  Units    Header      Attributes
          ------------  --------  -----  ---------  ----------------
          NUL                            0135:0048  1............1..
          MVPROAS       MVSOUND          0375:0000  1...............
          CDROM         LOADHI           0364:0000  11..1...........
          SMARTAAR      LOADHI           0353:0000  11..1...........
          Block Device  LOADHI      1    033F:0000  ....1...........
          QEMM386$                       027E:003F  11..............
          EMMXXXX0      QEMM386          027E:0000  11..............
          CON                            0070:0023  1..........1..11
          AUX                            0070:0035  1...............
          PRN                            0070:0047  1.1.....11......
          CLOCK$                         0070:0059  1...........1...
          Block Device              8    0070:006B  ....1...11....1.
          COM1                           0070:007B  1...............
          LPT1                           0070:008D  1.1.....11......
          LPT2                           0070:009F  1.1.....11......
          LPT3                           0070:00B8  1.1.....11......
          COM2                           0070:00CA  1...............
          COM3                           0070:00DC  1...............
          COM4                           0070:00EE  1...............

    ---------------- ROM BIOS              F000    65536

    F000:CE59 System Configuration (C) Copyright 1985-1991, American Megatre
              nds Inc.,
    F000:0000 0123AAAAMMMMIIII07/07/91(C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., All
              Rights Reserved
    F000:0050 (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc.,
    F000:0100 ROM BIOS (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc.,
    F000:8000 XXXX88886666----0123AAAAMMMMIIII Date:-07/07/91 (C)1985-1991,
              American Megatrends Inc. All Rights Reserved.
    F000:E0CA R(C)1985-1991,American Megatrends Inc.,All Rights Reserved.,13
              46 Oakbrook Dr.,#120,GA-30093,USA.(404)-263-8181.
    F000:6CC0 :DLTdD
    F000:E00E IBM COMPATIBLE IBM IS A TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MA
              CHINES CORP.
    F000:160E If BIOS shadow RAM is disabled,
    F000:2220 AUTO CONFIGURATION WITH BIOS DEFAULTS
    F000:2396 Load BIOS Setup Default Values for Advanced CMOS and Advanced
              CHIPSET Setup
    F000:24ED !AMI BIOS SETUP UTILITIES
    F000:2633 (ii)  Load BIOS Setup Defaults
    F000:26A0 BIOS SETUP PROGRAM -
    F000:26F8 F5:Old Values  F6:BIOS Setup Defaults   F7:Power-On Defaults
    F000:423D Load BIOS Setup Default Values from ROM Table (Y/N) ?
    F000:CF70 ROM-BIOS Date      :
    F000:FF59 (C)1990AMI,404-263-8181


       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page  9
    ========================================================================

    ---------------- Video ROM BIOS        C000    24576

      C000:002A Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10
      C000:00A2 (C) Copyright 1987 Video Seven Inc., All Rights Reserved.

    --------------- ---------- C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT

    @echo off
    ctty nul
    ::cd \dos
    ::g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 ced -b1024,128,2048,128,128,128 -fsynon.fil
    ::mouse /C2/E
    ::loadhi setver.exe
    ::loadhi xeq colon

    ::g:\dv\loadhi c:\dos\mouse1 /2

    cd \util
    g:\dv\loadhi /r:2 pr256.exe
    g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 stackey
    ::stackey

    g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mscdex /d:CDROM /m:8 /e /l:j
    ::\cd-rom\mscdex /d:cdrom /m:8 /e

    md i:\hold
    copy \command.com i:\
    for %%x in (q.exe l.com \dc.*) do copy %%x i:
    ctty con
    set temp=h:\scratch
    set dszlog=d:\co\sav\commo.log
    set ff=cdefh
    set comspec=i:\command.com
    set extra=one_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on
    set extra2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on
    prompt $p$g
    cls

    path i:\;d:\uupc\bin;..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\
    ::path ..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\

    ask&wait "Spacebar for DV or wait $s seconds" ! 10 [
    if errorlevel 37 goto dv
    goto end

    :dv
    g:
    cd \dv
    xdv /hw:0e:L

    ::Setting                       Default     Allowable               Swit
    ches
    ::
    ::Mouse Type                    none        SerialPort1,2,3,4       /Cn

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 10
    ========================================================================
    ::                                          PS/2                    /Z
    ::                                          InPort1,2,3,4           /In
    ::                                          Bus                     /B
    ::                                          MSX                     /X
    ::
    ::Language                      English     English                 /L
    ::                                          German                  /LD
    ::                                          Spanish                 /LE
    ::                                          French                  /LF
    ::                                          Italian                 /LI
    ::                                          Dutch                   /LNL

    ::                                          Portuguese              /LP
    ::                                          Swedish                 /LS
    ::                                          Finnish                 /LSF

    ::
    ::Memory
    :: Low Memory                   LowMem      LowMem                  -
    :: High Memory                              HiMem                   /U
    :: Extended Memory                          EMM                     /E
    ::
    ::Interrupt Rate                1           0,1,2,3,4               /Rn
    ::
    ::Sensitivity
    :: Horizontal Only              50          5-100                   /Hn
    :: Vertical Only                50          5-100                   /Vn
    :: Horizontal & Vertical        50          5-100                   /Vn
    ::
    ::Active Acceleration Profile   2           1,2,3,4                 /Pn
    ::
    ::Cursor Display
    :: CursorDisplayDelay           0           0-10                    /Nn
    :: ForceDefaultCursor           off         on/off                  /M
    ::
    ::Hardware Cursor Support       true        true/false              /Y
    ::
    ::Button Selection
    :: Primary                      1           1,2,3,4                 /KPn
    Sm
    :: Secondary                    3           1,2,3,4                 /KPn
    Sm
    ::set mouse=C:\DOS
    ::C:\DOS\mouse/c2/u/y

    :end

    ------------- ------------- C:\CONFIG.SYS

    DEVICE=g:\dv\QEMM386.SYS RAM X=B000-BFFF DMA=32
    dos=high

    rem DEVICE=c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a
    DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:2 c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a


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    ========================================================================
    rem DEVICE=c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920
    DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920

    lastdrive=j

    rem DEVICE=c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A:300
    rem DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A
    :300

    rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R
    device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R
    rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /L:j /N:1 /E
    rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:cdrom /L:j /N:1
     /E

    device=c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:7
    rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:5

    files=99
    buffers=15
    STACKS=0,0

    ------------------- ---- G:\WIN31\SYSTEM.INI

    [boot]
    mouse.drv=mscmouse.drv
    shell=progman.exe
    network.drv=
    language.dll=
    sound.drv=mmsound.drv
    comm.drv=comm.drv
    keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv
    system.drv=system.drv
    386grabber=V7VGA.3GR
    oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon
    286grabber=VGACOLOR.2GR
    fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon
    fonts.fon=vgasys.fon
    display.drv=V7VGA.DRV
    drivers=mmsystem.dll
    SCRNSAVE.EXE=G:\WIN31\SSMYST.SCR

    [keyboard]
    subtype=
    type=4
    keyboard.dll=
    oemansi.bin=

    [boot.description]
    mouse.drv=Mouse Systems serial or bus mouse
    keyboard.typ=Enhanced 101 or 102 key US and Non US keyboards
    network.drv=No Network Installed
    language.dll=English (American)
    system.drv=MS-DOS System
    codepage=437

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 12
    ========================================================================
    woafont.fon=English (437)
    aspect=100,96,96
    display.drv=Video 7 512K, 720x512 256 colors

    [386Enh]
    device=vpasd.386
    SystemROMBreakPoint=false
    mouse=mscvmd.386
    32BitDiskAccess=on
    device=*int13
    device=*wdctrl
    device=lanman10.386
    network=*dosnet,*vnetbios
    ebios=*ebios
    woafont=dosapp.fon
    display=V7VDD.386
    EGA80WOA.FON=EGA80WOA.FON
    EGA40WOA.FON=EGA40WOA.FON
    CGA80WOA.FON=CGA80WOA.FON
    CGA40WOA.FON=CGA40WOA.FON
    keyboard=*vkd
    device=vtdapi.386
    device=*vpicd
    device=*vtd
    device=*reboot
    device=*vdmad
    device=*vsd
    device=*v86mmgr
    device=*pageswap
    device=*dosmgr
    device=*vmpoll
    device=*wshell
    device=*BLOCKDEV
    device=*PAGEFILE
    device=*vfd
    device=*parity
    device=*biosxlat
    device=*vcd
    device=*vmcpd
    device=*combuff
    device=*cdpscsi
    local=CON
    FileSysChange=off
    PagingFile=G:\WIN386.SWP
    MaxPagingFileSize=2998
    MinTimeslice=20
    WinTimeslice=100,50
    WinExclusive=0
    Com1AutoAssign=2
    Com2AutoAssign=2

    [standard]

    [NonWindowsApp]
    localtsrs=dosedit,ced

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 13
    ========================================================================

    [mci]
    WaveAudio=mciwave.drv 4
    Sequencer=mciseq.drv
    Mixer=mcimixer.drv
    CDAudio=mcicda.drv

    [drivers]
    timer=timer.drv
    midimapper=midimap.drv
    MIDI=opl3.drv
    MIDI1=mvproaud.drv
    Wave=mvproaud.drv
    Aux=mvproaud.drv
    Mixer=mvmixer.drv

    [v7vga.drv]
    WidthXHeight=720x512
    FontSize=small

    [Multimedia.Setup]
    audio=mvproaud.drv,0,0,0

    [mvproaud.drv]
    dma=3
    irq=7

    [mciseq.drv]
    disablewarning=false

    ---------------- --------- G:\WIN31\WIN.INI

    [windows]
    spooler=yes
    load=
    run=
    Beep=yes
    NullPort=None
    BorderWidth=3
    CursorBlinkRate=710
    DoubleClickSpeed=493
    Programs=com exe bat pif
    Documents=
    DeviceNotSelectedTimeout=15
    TransmissionRetryTimeout=45
    KeyboardDelay=1
    KeyboardSpeed=26
    ScreenSaveActive=1
    ScreenSaveTimeOut=60
    MouseThreshold1=4
    MouseThreshold2=12
    MouseSpeed=2
    CoolSwitch=1
    DosPrint=no
    device=Epson LQ-500,EPSON24,LPT1:

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 14
    ========================================================================

    [Desktop]
    Pattern=(None)
    Wallpaper=chitz.bmp
    GridGranularity=0
    IconSpacing=75
    TileWallPaper=1

    [Extensions]
    cal=calendar.exe ^.cal
    crd=cardfile.exe ^.crd
    trm=terminal.exe ^.trm
    txt=notepad.exe ^.txt
    ini=notepad.exe ^.ini
    pcx=pbrush.exe ^.pcx
    bmp=pbrush.exe ^.bmp
    wri=write.exe ^.wri
    rec=recorder.exe ^.rec
    hlp=winhelp.exe ^.hlp
    TBK=TBOOK.EXE ^.TBK
    wav=prec.exe ^.wav

    [intl]
    sLanguage=enu
    sCountry=United States
    iCountry=1
    iDate=0
    iTime=0
    iTLZero=0
    iCurrency=0
    iCurrDigits=2
    iNegCurr=0
    iLzero=1
    iDigits=2
    iMeasure=1
    s1159=AM
    s2359=PM
    sCurrency=$
    sThousand=,
    sDecimal=.
    sDate=/
    sTime=:
    sList=,
    sShortDate=M/d/yy
    sLongDate=dddd, MMMM dd, yyyy

    [ports]
    ; A line with [filename].PRN followed by an equal sign causes
    ; [filename] to appear in the Control Panel's Printer Configuration dial
    og
    ; box. A printer connected to [filename] directs its output into this fi
    le.
    LPT1:=
    LPT2:=
    LPT3:=

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 15
    ========================================================================
    COM1:=19200,n,8,1,p
    COM2:=9600,n,8,1,x
    COM3:=9600,n,8,1,x
    COM4:=9600,n,8,1,x
    EPT:=
    FILE:=
    LPT1.DOS=
    LPT2.DOS=

    [FontSubstitutes]
    Helv=MS Sans Serif
    Tms Rmn=MS Serif
    Times=Times New Roman
    Helvetica=Arial

    [TrueType]

    [mci extensions]
    wav=waveaudio
    mid=sequencer
    rmi=sequencer

    [Compatibility]
    NOTSHELL=0x0001
    WPWINFIL=0x0006
    CCMAIL=0x0008
    AMIPRO=0x0010
    REM=0x8022
    PIXIE=0x0040
    CP=0x0040
    JW=0x42080
    TME=0x0100
    VB=0x0200
    WIN2WRS=0x1210
    PACKRAT=0x0800
    VISION=0x0040
    MCOURIER=0x0800
    _BNOTES=0x24000
    MILESV3=0x1000
    PM4=0x2000
    DESIGNER=0x2000
    PLANNER=0x2000
    DRAW=0x2000
    WINSIM=0x2000
    CHARISMA=0x2000
    PR2=0x2000
    PLUS=0x1000
    ED=0x00010000
    APORIA=0x0100
    EXCEL=0x1000
    GUIDE=0x1000
    NETSET2=0x0100
    W4GL=0x4000
    W4GLR=0x4000
    TURBOTAX=0x00080000

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 16
    ========================================================================

    [Microsoft Word 2.0]
    HPDSKJET=+1

    [fonts]
    Arial (TrueType)=ARIAL.FOT
    Arial Bold (TrueType)=ARIALBD.FOT
    Arial Bold Italic (TrueType)=ARIALBI.FOT
    Arial Italic (TrueType)=ARIALI.FOT
    Courier New (TrueType)=COUR.FOT
    Courier New Bold (TrueType)=COURBD.FOT
    Courier New Italic (TrueType)=COURI.FOT
    Times New Roman (TrueType)=TIMES.FOT
    Times New Roman Bold (TrueType)=TIMESBD.FOT
    Times New Roman Bold Italic (TrueType)=TIMESBI.FOT
    Times New Roman Italic (TrueType)=TIMESI.FOT
    Courier New Bold Italic (TrueType)=COURBI.FOT
    WingDings (TrueType)=WINGDING.FOT
    MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SSERIFE.FON
    Courier 10,12,15 (VGA res)=COURE.FON
    MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SERIFE.FON
    Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SYMBOLE.FON
    Roman (Plotter)=ROMAN.FON
    Script (Plotter)=SCRIPT.FON
    Modern (Plotter)=MODERN.FON
    Small Fonts (VGA res)=SMALLE.FON
    Symbol (TrueType)=SYMBOL.FOT

    [embedding]
    SoundRec=Sound,Sound,SoundRec.exe,picture
    Package=Package,Package,packager.exe,picture
    PBrush=Paintbrush Picture,Paintbrush Picture,pbrush.exe,picture
    PocketMix=Pocket Mixer Settings,Pocket Mixer Settings,G:\WIN31\PMIX.EXE,
    picture
    PocketRec=Pocket Recorder Wave,Pocket Recorder Wave,G:\WIN31\PREC.EXE,pi
    cture

    [colors]
    Background=255 251 240
    AppWorkspace=255 251 240
    Window=255 255 255
    WindowText=0 0 0
    Menu=255 255 255
    MenuText=0 0 0
    ActiveTitle=164 200 240
    InactiveTitle=255 255 255
    TitleText=0 0 0
    ActiveBorder=192 192 192
    InactiveBorder=192 192 192
    WindowFrame=0 0 0
    Scrollbar=192 192 192
    ButtonFace=192 192 192
    ButtonShadow=128 128 128
    ButtonText=0 0 0
    GrayText=192 192 192

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 17
    ========================================================================
    Hilight=164 200 240
    HilightText=0 0 0
    InactiveTitleText=0 0 0
    ButtonHilight=255 255 255

    [Terminal]
    Port=COM1

    [SciCalc]
    layout=0

    [Cardfile]
    ValidateFileWrite=1

    [Chomp]
    High=500

    [Windows Help]
    H_WindowPosition=[240,170,240,170,0]

    [MSCharMap]
    Font=Symbol

    [PrinterPorts]
    Epson LQ-500=EPSON24,LPT1:,15,45

    [devices]
    Epson LQ-500=EPSON24,LPT1:

    [Hop]
    UsageCount=1

    [Media Vision Pocket Mixer]
    ;a=; Mixer patching support:
    ;b=;    Set <fixed|unfixed> mixer control to <input|output>, line <n>.
    ;c=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t
    o use).
    ;Monitor=fixed,input,1
    ;Synthesizer=unfixed,input,0
    ;Microphone=unfixed,input,4
    ;PCMWave=unfixed,input,5
    ;CDPlayer=unfixed,input,3
    ;PCSpeaker=unfixed,input,6
    ;Auxiliary=unfixed,input,2
    ;Master=fixed,output,0

    [Media Vision Device Specification]
    ;MixerDevice=Media Vision Mixer
    ;MixerDevMID=3
    ;MixerDevPID=0
    ;InputDevice=Media Vision Waveform Input
    ;InputDevMID=3
    ;InputDevPID=21
    ;OutputDevice=Media Vision Waveform Output
    ;OutputDevMID=3

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 18
    ========================================================================
    ;OutputDevPID=20

    [Media Vision Pocket Recorder]
    ;a=; Current user interface support allows for:
    ;b=;    one or two channels.
    ;c=;    variable sample rates between specified minimum and maximum.
    ;d=;    eight and/or sixteen bits per sample (commas between multiple va
    lues).
    ;e=;    file compaction by two and/or four (currently not supported).
    ;f=; Buffer Management:
    ;g=;    buffer size should be a power of two (default 32768).
    ;h=;    number of buffers for playback and record ahead (default 5, max
    16).
    ;i=; Pitch/speed effect related parameters:
    ;j=;    shift fraction is the wave decimation size (default: 125th of a
    second).
    ;k=;    fade divide is the shift portion to cross fade (default: 2, one
    half).
    ;l=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t
    o use).
    ;NumChannels=2
    ;MinSampRate=1
    ;MaxSampRate=44100
    ;BitsPerSamp=8,16
    ;Compression=2,4
    ;BufferSize=32768
    ;NumBuffers=5
    ;ShiftFract=125
    ;FadeDivide=2

    [mvmixer.drv]
    LineIn1=SYNTH     MUS]  PLAY     L= 53% R= 53%  @=0000
    LineIn2=MIXER     MIX]  PLAY     L= 56% R= 56%  @=0000
    LineIn3=AUX       AUX|  PLAY     L= 53% R= 60%  @=0000
    LineIn4=CD        CDA|  PLAY     L= 55% R= 55%  @=0000
    LineIn5=MIC       MIC|  PLAY     L= 48% R= 48%  @=0000
    LineIn6=WAVE      WAV]  PLAY     L= 74% R= 74%  @=0000
    LineIn7=SPKR      SPK]  RECORD   L= 53% R= 53%  @=0000
    LineIn8=BLSTR     WAV]  PLAY     L= 53% R= 53%  @=0000
    LineOut1=MASTER   AMP|  PLAY     L= 76% R= 76%  @=0000
    LineOut2=REC IN   WAV]  RECORD   L= 80% R= 80%  @=0000
    StereoEnhance=OFF
    Loudness=OFF
    Bass= 50
    Treble= 50
    SaveSettingsOnWindowsExit=YES

    [WinJack]
    Trial=2026

    [sounds]
    SystemAsterisk=chord.wav,Asterisk
    SystemHand=chord.wav,Critical Stop
    SystemDefault=ding.wav,Default Beep
    SystemExclamation=G:\WIN31\DING.WAV,Exclamation

       Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10   12/21/94    1:53am   Page 19
    ========================================================================
    SystemQuestion=chord.wav,Question
    SystemExit=G:\WIN31\CHIMES.WAV,Windows Exit
    SystemStart=tada.wav,Windows Start



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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: a friend having a problem
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
> Hello,
>
>                         MS-Kermit Trouble Report
>
> Date:  December 21, 1994
> From:  [e-mail]
>
> Description:  Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000"
>               is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro.
>
> Harware:      See msd report
> Software:     MS-DOS Version 5.00
>               Desqview 2.4
>               kermit.exe  3.14
>                 228936    11-21-94  16:06    KERMIT.EXE
>                 103994    11-21-94  16:06    KERLITE.EXE
>
> Details:      {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides
>               a way to execute external protocols.  Commo ver 6.41
>
>               This is done with a macro command called {EXECute }
>
> {exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive}
>
>               The example command line works fine.
>
>               However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is
>               specified from this context, the result is a locked
>               machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1.
>               A cold boot is required to reset.
>
> What's been tried:   Varying the position of the "set receive" parm
>                      This results in a lock-up
>
>                      Attempt with kerlite.exe
>                      Results in a lock-up
>
>                      Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command.
>                      This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room
>                      for other programs.  Locks-up.
>
>                      set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini
>                      This works and is in use
>
>                      Setting receive packet-length from Kermit>
>                      prompt also works, no trouble at all.
    <lengthy MSD listings omitted>
---------------
    Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the
serial port hardware. That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same
hardware. Thus I recommend you try without COMMO. I've never encountered
COMMO so I won't guess about it.
    Also please do watch out for Smartdrive eating up cpu cycles like
crazy when it flushes to real disk.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT)
Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:18:49 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ching Mo Chang <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off?
>
>To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can
>use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in
>MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just
>got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on).
>
MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese characters, but it does
support Japanese Kanji.  Depending on the PC and host encodings for Chinese,
maybe the Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too.  The Japanese
Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on
the PC, and different variations of JIS X 0208 on the host.  JIS X 0208 is
similar to Chinese CAS GB 2312-80.

Your other alternative, if you are running CC-DOS (Chinese DOS) is a special
Chinese edition of an old version of MS-DOS Kermit, 2.32A, by Quanfang Zhang
of Zhejiang University in Hangzhou (see "Kermit in China", Kermit News #5,
July 1993).  You can find it on kermit.columbia.edu.  The text files are in
kermit/c/cc*.*, and binaries are in kermit/bin/cc*.exe.

Naturally, we would like to see true Chinese support integrated into the
new version MS-DOS Kermit; it should be fairly easy given the existing Kanji
support.  But it would require a DOS programmer with a knowledge of Chinese
writing and character sets, and access to Chinese-model PCs.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: a friend having a problem
Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:32:02 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
>>
>> Description:  Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000"
>>               is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro.
>> ...
>Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the
>serial port hardware.  That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same
>hardware.  Thus I recommend you try without COMMO.
>
On the other hand, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is specifically designed to be used
as an external protocol by other software, so if Commo leaves the port
alone while Kermit is using it, hopefully there will be no interference.

Two other possibilities spring to mind.  When you add this command, you
are doing two things: making the command line longer, and causing Kermit
to dynamically allocate memory for packet buffers.

If the command line is longer than DOS's buffer for command lines (if I
recall correctly), terrible things can happen.  It is better to use a
shorter command line which points Kermit at a file to execute additional
commands from.

If that's not the explanation, then look at your memory management setup
very carefully -- maybe more than one process is contending for the same
memory, or QEMM is misconfigured, or Commo is not respecting Kermit's
"space", or some other application, driver, or TSR is misbehaving.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: APC Initiation
Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:41:28 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a
>HP9000.  Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z
>works, the old TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is
>outputting the escape sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because
>I can start APC from a UNIX script, just not from this MAPPERC
>software. Has anyone else had problems with APC?
>
Your problem report does not make sense.

APC is supported by the terminal emulator in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and
later, but TERMINALR/TERMINALS is not.

So if your software is sending the TERMINALR/TERMINALS escape sequences
and they work, you must not be running version 3.13, which would explain
why APC sequences do not work for you.

If you are running 3.13, then please read the update notes in the
KERMIT.UPD file that comes on the diskette, which explain in great detail
how to use the APC feature.

I don't know what your MAPPERC software does, but maybe it is not sending
the APC sequences correctly.  Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set debug session"
so you can watch what MAPPERC is sending.  You should see:

  ^[_xxxxx^[\

where xxxxx is the text inside the APC sequence.  If you see that and it
still doesn't work, then please make sure you don't have "set terminal
apc off", etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MAC Kermit?
Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:43:00 GMT
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In article <3csuok$[e-mail]>,
Chuck Stickelman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!)
>but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu.
>What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's?
>Where is the latest version located, and old is it?
>
CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT

As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994

*** BULLETIN ***
Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with
downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x).  Now files can be downloaded
on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS
7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects.  It should also fix certain
binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when
downloading in binary mode.
*****************

The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988.  Unfortunately, it
does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems.  However, newer
versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on
these old models.

A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result
(so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most
purposes.

The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is
0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190).  It is available via anonymous FTP
from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f.

A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is
complete.  Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will
be.  Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for
further announcements.  You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending
email to [e-mail] (or [e-mail]) containing
the text:

  SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here

Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/f directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

(End of ckmaaa.hlp)

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] Mac Kermit or C-Kermit for Mac?
Date: 21 Dec 1994 23:00:56 GMT
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In article <3d3mve$[e-mail]>,
Eugene Tyurin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference
>between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me,
>the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on
>it's saved settings file. :^(
>
Macintosh Kermit is not one of our top Kermit programs.  It is basically
a combination of C-Kermit 5A with a Macintosh user and system interface.
C-Kermit 5A is mine, the Mac-specific part is nobody's.  Ten (yes, ten)
years ago, the original Mac Kermit was written by my group, but those
people are long gone.  I am not funded to replace them.  For some years,
we had some excellent volunteer Mac programmers who made terrific
progress, but they are now also long gone.

What is the difference between 0.991(190) and 0.99(190)?  It is that I
tracked down and fixed the problem that was causing 0.99(190) -- and all
earlier versions -- to crash when downloading files on Mac System 7.1
and later (the problem being that a system call that had worked for ten
years had suddenly stopped working).

I also fixed the READ command not to crash.  I also fixed the various LOG
commands, which never worked before.  I fixed the file transfer display,
which previously often did not know whether a file was being sent or
received, and added some additional info, like the current directory.  I
fixed some of the dialog boxes to show the current file-related settings
correctly, in case they had been set from the command window.

I removed the stupid alert boxes that kept coming up saying "Writing to
console not allowed".  I added a DIRECTORY command, and fixed various
other file-related commands.  etc etc.

And I guess I must also have broken something.  Sorry.  I'm not a
Macintosh programmer, and I am beginning to wonder if anybody is.

I am surprised that so many people use this program, and apparently so
many universities depend on it, but nobody is willing or able to
contribute to its development or support.  I would do it myself, but there
are simply not enough hours in a day.  If you are a skilled Macintosh
programmer, preferably in MPW C, and are interested in helping out, please
read the ckmker.bwr file, and then if you are still interested, contact me.

Thanks.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing
Date: 22 Dec 1994 21:53:18 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-15 include:

 . The SEND command now accepts an "indirect filename", starting with "@";
   the named file contains a list of files to be sent (see KERMIT.UPD).
 . TCP and IP now use less packets, good for SLIP.
 . Doomsday Kermit (DDK) protocol fixed, really this time.
 . SET TELNET TERM <name> no longer uppercases the name.
 . MAIL command fixed.
 . A bug with ESC completion fixed in command parser.
 . REMOTE ASG added as "special abbreviation" for REMOTE ASSIGN.
 . \v(inpath) now also works when file found in current directory.

Thanks to Joe Doupnik for all the above, and much else too!

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to [e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: HANGUP problem on FreeBSD
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Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the
DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained
in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'.

On my Linux system, the command works according to the book.
It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems
with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should
cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way
to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE).

Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS?
If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON?

In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the
handshake lines to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing
all kinds of things.

Thanks for any info,

--Roland Kwee     email: [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Hand Made in America)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers?
Date: 23 Dec 1994 06:52:15 GMT
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C-Kermit on the university end.  PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm
Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus
end.  The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes
clone faxmodem.

Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical
throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient.  I'm transferring compressed
binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a
lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0
packets resent).

Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and
30% (disabled) efficiency.  I do understand why my efficiency improves
when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why
it is so low overall.

The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for
each one I receive.  Is this the fastest way to do Kermit?

Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone
suggest to increase efficiency?

TIA.
--
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From: Tom Bowden <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers?
Date: 23 Dec 1994 14:06:43 GMT
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[e-mail] (Hand Made in America) wrote:
>
> C-Kermit on the university end.  PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm
> Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus
> end.  The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes
> clone faxmodem.
>
[stuff deleted]
>
> The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for
> each one I receive.  Is this the fastest way to do Kermit?
>
> Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone
> suggest to increase efficiency?
>
Use longer packets.  In PCPLUS, go into setup (alt-s), then Protocols,
then Kermit (this may vary depending on which version you have).
The default packet length is 94.  Change it to 1024.

At the unversity end, edit your .kermrc (or ckermit.ini) file so that
it includes the lines:
  set send packet-length 1024
  set receive packet-length 1024
  set window 3

Hope this helps.

Tom in Atlanta

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HANGUP problem on FreeBSD
Date: 23 Dec 1994 15:59:54 GMT
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In article <3ddrrl$[e-mail]>,
Roland Kwee <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the
>DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained
>in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'.
>
>On my Linux system, the command works according to the book.
>It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems
>with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should
>cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way
>to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE).
>
>Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS?
>If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON?
>
It is supposed to work as described in the book.

During (and after) the development of C-Kermit 5A(190), FreeBSD kept
changing out from under me.  I received numerous "patches" from all over
the world, most of them mutually contradictory.

As you have probably seen by inspecting the tthang() routine in ckutio.c,
the simple act of dropping DTR for half a second is one of the hardest
things to do in non-vendor-specific UNIX communications software, since
there are so many different ways to do it -- each system has its own way.
tthang() presently takes up 405 lines of code, and still fails to work in
some cases, like yours.

The POSIX method is used In the FreeBSD case -- relatively straightforward
(get current speed, save it, set speed to 0, sleep half a second(*),
restore speed), so if it doesn't work, there is probably something wrong
underneath -- i.e. in FreeBSD or your serial port driver.

All I can say is, you are free to make changes to tthang() and send them
to me, but don't have any confidence that your changes will work for any
length of time, given FreeBSD's track record on stability so far (speaking
as an outsider, no offense intended).  I don't have access to any FreeBSD
systems to do this work myself.  Also, in my correspondence with other
FreeBSD users, nobody has reported a problem like this, so it's very
likely peculiar to a specific configuration (kernel edit, driver edit,
whatever).

>In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the handshake lines
>to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing all kinds of things.
>
This would be a great feature, but no, there is no standard or portable
way (not even several standard ways) to set arbitrary modem signals.
C-Kermit does have a "show modem" command, which works on the (few) UNIX
variations that allow modem signals to be tested.  HP-UX probably has the
best serial i/o interface I've seen; very few others even approach it.

UNIX "standards bodies" have vigorously avoided the area of serial
communications, which, even in this age of low-cost, high-speed modems and
the worldwide public stampede to the "on-ramp" of the "information
superhighway" -- a time when serial communications is becoming more
important than ever before.

POSIX made some progress, but it's only one of many APIs, and even the
POSIX.1 API is inadequate.  It does not address questions of exclusive
access (which leaves us, still, with the "UUCP lockfile" -- one of the
most atrocious ideas in software engineering ever to gain "de facto
standard" status, ranking right up there with cooperative multitasking,
with which it has more than a little in common), hardware flow control,
modem signals, nondestructive input-buffer peeking, or fine-grained (under
one second) sleeps, all of which are essential for serial communications.

(*) But since there is no way to sleep for half a second in POSIX,
    we have to use some kind of non-POSIX-compliant method, i.e.
    an "extension", and this might be a good place to start
    looking for the problem.  See the msleep() routine in ckutio.c.

- Frank

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help!  Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Nutter) writes:
> I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000
> students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal
> program.  All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a
                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    There isn't such a thing. I believe you must mean MS-DOS Kermit,
no relation to C Kermit other than from the same project.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (John Miller)
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Subject: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results?
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Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup
article in the Oregonian.  The Oregonian's article was more entertaining
than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results
on the net.

Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages?
We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions
of sz, etc.

Thanks,

John Miller
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"What's ahead?"


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Hi --
I've got Unix C-Kermits and MS-Kermit dialing up to MVS/ESA mainframes through
a Renex TMS-4 protocol converter. I put on SC9131X as a local update to Kermit-
370 to get rid of the "IKT....Screen erasure caused by..." message, setting
&CONOPTS to 'STCNOS1' to force graphics controller (as recommended by the
beware file and ik0aaa). I still get the message (yeah, I checked the PROCLIB
and everything). Can anyone help me out? Many thanks...Nick G.
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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results?
Date: 23 Dec 1994 19:38:03 GMT
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According to John Miller <[e-mail]>:
|Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup
|article in the Oregonian.  The Oregonian's article was more entertaining
|than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results
|on the net.

In my particular setup (dialup to Unix server at Columbia University),
even with long packets enabled, etc., DSZ has a speed edge over
MS-Kermit.

However, Kermit is totally free.  Moreover, Frank's crew writes
documentation 1000% better than Mr. Forsberg--the DSZ docs (and command
parameter interface) is as obscure and unintentionally hilarious as can
get.
--   _____________________________________________________________________
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers?
Date: 23 Dec 1994 19:55:32 GMT
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In article <3dds2v$[e-mail]>,
Hand Made in America <[e-mail]> wrote:
>C-Kermit on the university end.  PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm
>Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus
>end.  The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes
>clone faxmodem.
>
>Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical
>throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient.  I'm transferring compressed
>binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a
>lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0
>packets resent).
>
>Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and
>30% (disabled) efficiency.  I do understand why my efficiency improves
>when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why
>it is so low overall.
>
>The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for
>each one I receive.  Is this the fastest way to do Kermit?
>
>Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone
>suggest to increase efficiency?
>
(a) Use MS-DOS Kermit instead of Procomm;

(b) Adjust the window size, packet size, and other parameters to achieve
    maximum efficiency.

This kind of question is posted every couple days, and rather than repost
the detailed answer each time, I've stored it on kermit.columbia.edu,
directory kermit/e, text mode, faq.txt.  Please read it.

I have seen certain newsgroups that seem to have a permanent greeting
message.  If I knew how to accomplish this, I could post pointers to FAQs,
etc, so everybody would see them when first accessing this group.

- Frank
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Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers?
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Tom Bowden ([e-mail]) wrote:
==> [e-mail] (Hand Made in America) wrote:
==> [stuff deleted (by both of us!)]
==> Use longer packets.  [ . . . ]
==> The default packet length is 94.  Change it to 1024.

My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!!  I have to hexedit
the file PCPLUS.PRM to get it to 255.  I can edit a two-byte value (1024
= 0400h), but PC+ only looks at the low byte (apparently) when actually
negotiating the link.

==> At the university end, edit your .kermrc file so that
==> it includes the lines:
==>   set send packet-length 1024 ..... I set 255
==>   set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255
==>   set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much?

C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site!  Does anyone know
about such strangeness?

Now my efficiency is up to 71% which is close to the theoretical ratio of
14400/19200 = 75%.

==> Hope this helps.

It *sure*does*!!!  Sent me in the right direction.  Thanks, Tom and all.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing
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In article <3dcsge$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>
> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from
> kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time:
----------
    Just to forstall questions, this beta has one known problem:
saying  Kermit -f <filename in the current directory>  may fail if the
filename lacks a full path. It's fixed at my place already, but rather
than issuing a new beta after a day we felt it better to use these few
remaining days to discover any last bugs. Please, if you find them report
them immediately so we can make the formal release ASAP. Don't depend on
NEWS to be speedy; try my personal address, [e-mail].
    Joe D.

24 ..... I set 255
> ==>   set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255
> ==>   set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much?
>
> C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site!  Does anyone know
> about such strangeness?
    Oh, that's a signature of running over many PPP and some SLIP
links, but nothing to do with C Kermit itself. You can SET SEND (or RECEIVE)
PACKET <length of your choosing> at the C Kermit prompt if necessary to
overcome any system defaults the guys have created.
    The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end is a
good one. About four window slots of 1-2KB packets is plenty on a local
link. No binary editing hackery required.
    Joe D.


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From: [e-mail] (Seeker)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Window resizes in OS/2
Date: 24 Dec 1994 17:51:05 GMT
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I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window.  When I connect to VMS, I
execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window:

$ set term/pag=32/wid=80

I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132 when
I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing directly.  This
works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a simple script to
automate it.  In the script I have the following two lines:

output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13
in 5 $

Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80
with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen.  I can reproduce the problem
by executing those two lines directly from the command line.  I can fix the
window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying to have to do
so.

Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output command, no resizing
occurs.

Is it supposed to work this way?

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Window resizes in OS/2
Date: 24 Dec 1994 18:05:45 GMT
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In article <3dhn29$[e-mail]>, Seeker <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window.  When I connect to VMS, I
>execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window:
>
>$ set term/pag=32/wid=80
>
>I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132
>when I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing
>directly.  This works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a
>simple script to automate it.  In the script I have the following two
>lines:
>
>output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13
>in 5 $
>

>Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80
>with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen.  I can reproduce the
>problem by executing those two lines directly from the command line.  I
>can fix the window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying
>to have to do so.  Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output
>command, no resizing occurs.  Is it supposed to work this way?
>
I am not totally sure this is the answer, but...

In version 5A(190) and earlier, the same screen size is used by both the
C-Kermit command parser and the terminal emulation window (in future
releases, the sizes will be independent).  When the command parser is
active, so is the ANSI console driver.

I suspect that when you tell VMS to:

  set term/pag=32/wid=80

this causes VMS to send an escape sequence to the terminal.  You can
confirm this via LOG SESSION or by putting C-Kermit's terminal emulator in
debug mode (with Alt-d).

If you have SET INPUT ECHO ON in C-Kermit, then your INPUT command:

  in 5 $

will read characters sent by the host and echo them to the screen, i.e. to
the ANSI console driver.  This means that any escape sequences sent by the
host are likely to have unexpected effects since ANSI != VTxxx.  In this
case, the console driver evidently recognized what it though was a video-
mode change command, and so changed its video mode, which affects both
the command screen and the terminal screen.

Solution:  Tell C-Kermit to SET INPUT ECHO OFF.

- Frank

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In article <3d8t4l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Giovanni Ciampa) writes:
> Subject sums it up really...
>
> Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does
> anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package?
----------
    MS-DOS Kermit supports only one LAT session at a time. It's a bunch
of work and memory to support multiple LAT sessions, and so far there has
been no demand for that capability. Only the internal Telnet stack supports
multiple sessions at this time, and later we hope to add some other comms
channels to the session manager.
    Joe D.

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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) and I wrote:

==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!!  I have to hexedit

i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94"

==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site!

i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports
286 byte packet-length.  Do I talk to my local admin?

==>     The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end . . .

so maybe I can get a PCKermit to set up as an EXTERNal protocol with the
hooks provided with ProComm+ ?

Thanks for all the hints!

--
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Brian Degregorio) says:

>I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem),
>but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>                    Thanks in advance,
>                    Brian Degregorio
>
>
>*****************************************************************************
>**                 Brian Degregorio                         **
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>
I use DSZ, but GSZ should work the same way. Just make the appropriate
name change to the following macros.

I've forgotten which one of the DOCUMENTATION files I found this in, but
by adding the following macros to my MSCUSTOM.INI file I can call DSZ
as an external protocol from MSKermit.

 > ; Macros for transferring files via DSZ (Zmodem) ...
 > ;
 > define rz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G rz -r
 > define sz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G sz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5
 > define t run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G t -r

DSZ is installed in a directory in my path. I use Kermit's terminal emulation
for everything up to the point where I issue the:

   sz [filespec]

command on the remote system command line. I then use [Alt + X] to return to
the local Kermit command line, where I use:

   do rz

to initiate the Kermit "rz" macro defined above. This starts DSZ in the
receive mode, which initiates the file transfer via Zmodem. When the transfer
is complete, DSZ exits and returns to the Kermit command line. I can then
"connect" again to get back to the remote command line. The:

   est 0 9600

passed to DSZ is supposed to cause the estimated transfer time to reflect
the correct 9600 baud rate of my V.32 modem, even though I use a DCE/DTE
rate of 19,200. This doesn't seem to work right, but I haven't yet tried to
determine why not. Also the "G" is supposed to be necessary to enable the
serial port, since when you run an external command, kermit is supposed to
shut off the serial port. It seems to work, so I haven't investigated if it
is really needed. Using "rz" on the remote system and "do sz" from the local
kermit command line initiates Zmodem "up-loads" in place of downloads. The
"t" macro is a special version of the download protocol, which I haven't
used yet. It is supposed to allow more automatic downloads to be performed.

I'm sure more automation could be included in the macros, but these work
quite well manually. Maybe someone else had improved on these macro's. With
MSKermit as the main comm. program and DSZ as an external protocol, I have
two of the most popular and reliable protocols available in an inexpensive
package.

--
cdl [[e-mail]] ...

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers?
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In article <3dj72v$[e-mail]>,
Hand Made in America <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) and I wrote:
>==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!!  I have to hexedit
>...
>i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94"
>
We can't be responsible for the restrictions of Procomm.  MS-DOS Kermit
lets you choose any packet length up to the theoritical maximum of 9024.

>==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site!
>...
>i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports
>286 byte packet-length.  Do I talk to my local admin?
>
The packet length is determined by the file receiver.  In other words,
the receiver gives the sender permission to send packets UP TO the given
length; the sender can choose to send less, but not more.  A real Kermit
program will normally use the length that you tell it.  If you were using
MS-DOS Kermit, the command would be:

  SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000

or whatever.  Evidently your version of Procomm does not want to receive
long packets, no matter how you "hexedit" your Procomm configuration.
Maybe that's why it does not have a "command" or setting for this.

Give the same command to C-Kermit when uploading.  The current version of
C-Kermit is 5A(190) and, like MS-DOS Kermit 3.xx, it is a full
implementation of the protocol: long packets, sliding windows,
compression, locking shifts, etc etc.

- Frank

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Thanks for the Joe and Frank's replies to
    my previous posting: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT).

After the hints, I find out that using the following terminal setting, I can
view Chinese in Big5 code when runing MSKERMIT in a Chinese DOS system.

set parity none
set term bytesize 8
set terminal character transparent

Ching-Mo

>>>>> "Joe" == Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> writes:

    Joe> ---------------- In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit
    Joe> command to change the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit
    Joe> terminals (assuming a parity of NONE) is SET TERM DISPLAY
    Joe> {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as
    Joe> above}, or alternatively SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus
    Joe> file transfer screen options} These are aliases of the same
    Joe> command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the active setting.  Joe D.

>>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> writes:

    Frank> MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese
    Frank> characters, but it does support Japanese Kanji.  Depending
    Frank> on the PC and host encodings for Chinese, maybe the
    Frank> Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too.  The
    Frank> Japanese Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code
    Frank> Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on the PC, and different variations
    Frank> of JIS X 0208 on the host.  JIS X 0208 is similar to
    Frank> Chinese CAS GB 2312-80.


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    Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using
slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance.
Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using
kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is
using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup.
    On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then?
                        Thank you in advance

                        Carlos
ps.  happy new year!

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This is a test

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In article <3dl8jc$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes:
>     Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using
> slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance.
> Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using
> kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is
> using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup.
>     On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then?
>                         Thank you in advance
--------------
    De-scoping the question: what did you do, and what happened?
Something to keep in mind with SLIP is there is only one "other end"
of the wire and that remote end's IP number is the gateway off the
wire, and consequently your PC and that other end are on the same
IP network number (host parts differ but not the network parts of
the IP addresses). I suggest you do a quick double check with your
local IP responsible people about IP numbers and subnet masks etc to
verify that you are using the correct values for your environment.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3dl8jc$[e-mail]>,
 [e-mail] (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes:
> Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using
> slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance.
> Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using
> kermit with slip for dos.
>
Did you read the instructions?  This is from the file NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC
in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta ZIP file:

MAKING SLIP CONNECTIONS

To make a SLIP (Serial Line IP) connection, follow these steps:

1. SET PORT 1
   (or whichever serial port you will be using for the SLIP connection).

2. SET SPEED 19200
   (or whatever speed you will be using)

3. SET FLOW RTS/CTS (or NONE)
   Don't use Xon/Xoff flow control on a SLIP connection!  SLIP and Xon/Xoff
   are incompatible with each other.

4. Establish a connection to the terminal server or other device that will be
   providing SLIP service.  Determine the IP address and other information
   (e.g. gateway address) that it has assigned to you.    Normally, these are
   displayed on your screen before the terminal server enters SLIP mode.

5. Escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and EXIT from MS-DOS Kermit.  The
   connection is left open.

6. Start the SLIP8250 driver, telling it to use the same port (hex address and
   IRQ number must be supplied) and speed (decimal) used in (1) and (2) above,
   and to use hardware flow control (-h), for example:

      slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 19200

7. Start MS-DOS Kermit again.  Do NOT give it a SET PORT command for the
   serial port where SLIP is running.  Instead, give the SET TCP ADDRESS,
   SET TCP GATEWAY, and other necessary SET TCP commands.  Then, to make
   a connection, use SET PORT TCP <address>, where <address> is the IP
   hostname or address of the IP host you want to connect to.

Note: Even though you might think it's silly to exit from Kermit and then start
it again, when you could simply start the SLIP driver from the Kermit prompt,
there is a reason: starting a driver from inside an application results in
memory fragmentation.

Note 2: In version 3.13 and later, it is also possible to obtain BOOTP service
on a SLIP connection if your SLIP server is configured to provide it (for
example, Cisco terminal servers can do this).  Also, MS-DOS Kermit's SHOW
COMMUNICATIONS command will display the IP address of the BOOTP server.

> On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then?
>
Of interest to you would be an improvement in the efficiency of SLIP service,
which came in Beta 16 (the current Beta).

- Frank

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Hi,

I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run
another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my
program says that the port is in use.

If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I
want the connection to remain open.

Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip
connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip
says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting
ckermit just kills the connection.

Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed
running external programs that access the port with the run command but it
appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit.

Thanks,

Helen


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 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run
>another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my
>program says that the port is in use.

OS/2 C-Kermit locks the port when it is in use so that other applications
cannot interfere with it.

>If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I
>want the connection to remain open.

Correct.  OS/2 doesn't allow files to remain open past the end of an
application.  It automatically closes all open files.

>Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip
>connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip
>says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting
>ckermit just kills the connection.

In the next version of C-Kermit for OS/2 [5A(191)], there is now SLIPTERM
support which allows C-Kermit to grab control of the COM port from the
SLIP driver.  This way you can start a slip session, and use C-Kermit
as your terminal emulation and scripting package.

>Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed
>running external programs that access the port with the run command but it
>appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit.

The program needs to be written so that it can accept a file handle instead
of a port name.  This way the program can be started as a child process of
C-Kermit and inherit the open comm port.

>Thanks,
>
>Helen
>

If you are interested in joining the test group for OS/2 C-Kermit, send
me mail directly.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
*NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip

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In article <3d4olb$[e-mail]>,
John Miller <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup
>article in the Oregonian.  The Oregonian's article was more entertaining
>than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results
>on the net.
        Chuck does have a gift for generating publicity, doesn't he?
;-) Unfortunately, I've never seen a `showdown' that produced any
really useful information.  As Mark Twain said: there's lies, damned
lies, and statistics.

        If you read between the lines of the glossy graphs and charts
used to support the `my protocol is better than yours' wars, you can
get some real laughs.  For example, one chart I saw proclaimed one
protocol `best' due to an advantage over a competitor of only .3%!
Another chose a very particular file that had certain properties that
caused it to transfer unusually quickly under one particular protocol
(but not a competitor's, of course).  Both of these comparisons were
done by generally well-respected individuals.

>Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages?
>We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions
>of sz, etc.

        Latest versions of which packages?  I've seen 10-20 percent
variations in speed between different implementations of the same
protocol on the same equipment transferring the same file.  (In one
case, a data scope was used to verify that the implementations were
functioning identically.  Apparently, one was just 10% less efficient
at managing the serial and disk I/O on that hardware.)  If that kind
of difference is important to you, then simply specifying which
_protocol_ to compare is pointless.

        My two cents: Kermit and ZModem are sufficiently close in
speed (given good implementations of each) that ease of use and
reliability are THE most important issues.  Speed is no longer a major
consideration.  If you want faster transfers, buy a faster modem and
a faster computer.  Still not fast enough?  Rent a T1 line.

        In fact, I regularly use a protocol that's much slower than
either Kermit or ZModem simply because I have an implementation that's
extremely easy to use.  The minutes I save not having to remember
which settings to fiddle more than make up for the seconds of extra
transfer time.

                                - Tim Kientzle

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From: [e-mail] (Hans Lachman)
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I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT.
I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs.
I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set
port tcp", then "connect", and I got:

   Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
   Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting.
   ?Cannot start the connection.

Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate
values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver".
"Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it")
by default.  Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what.

I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in.
Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT?

Hans Lachman  <[e-mail]>
"You are lost in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike."

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Christian)
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I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without
net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all
with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc
all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time,
however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit
scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation
on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me
have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction
when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts?

Chris
--
PGP PUBLIC KEY available upon request

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit on WindowsNT (using TCP)?
Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:44:32 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Hans Lachman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT.
>I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs.
>I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set
>port tcp", then "connect", and I got:
>
>   Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver.
>   Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting.
>   ?Cannot start the connection.
>
>Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate
>values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver".
>"Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it")
>by default.  Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what.
>
>I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in.
>Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT?
>
No.  MS-DOS Kermit is not a native NT application and can't use NT's
TCP/IP protocol.  Kermit executes its own built-in TCP/IP protocol
code, which runs on top of either a packet driver or an ODI driver.

I don't know enough about NT to say whether it is possible to run
a "DOS virtual machine" under NT which includes a packet driver or ODI
driver for your network board (this is possible under OS/2), but if so,
then you make TCP/IP connections with MS-DOS Kermit this way, but it
would probably require shutting down TCP/IP on NT.

In the future, we hope to have a native TCP/IP-capable Kermit version
for NT, but I can't give an estimate yet as to when it might be ready.

- Frank
x
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: scripting in kermit
Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:52:19 GMT
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In article <3ds0jn$[e-mail]>,
Chris Christian <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without
>net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all
>with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc
>all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time,
>
All of this is quite possible.

>however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit
>scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation
>on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me
>have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction
>when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts?
>
Why does it have to be free?

The Kermit effort is entirely self supporting, depending on income
from software distribution fees (dwindling in this era of burgeoning
Internet access) and book sales for its continued existence.

Since we have gone to the trouble of writing and publishing manuals that
document the script programming language clearly and with numerous examples,
why not simply "hit the books"?

- Frank

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-> As Mark Twain said: there's lies, damned
-> lies, and statistics.


Actually, Benjamin Disraeli said that.

Regards,

KGB

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  I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E
C-Kermit.  The same  file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my
SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm
server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set for
binary).


          Martin B. Isaksen
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Binary Uploads going through a comm server
Date: 28 Dec 1994 21:00:14 GMT
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In article <3dsife$[e-mail]>, <Martin B. Isaksen> wrote:
>I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E
>C-Kermit.  The same  file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my
>SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm
>server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set
>for binary).
>
It probably does not affect this problem, but the current version of C-Kermit
is 5A(190).

The most common reason for failed uploads is inadequate buffer capacity on the
receiving end, probably the Penril device in this case, coupled with the lack
of an effective means of flow control.

Solution: reconfigure the communications server to have big buffers in the
receiving direction as well as in the sending direction, and enable the
most effective possible means of flow control (preferably RTS/CTS) between
this device and the one it is most immediately connected to (presumably a
modem).  Same deal on the calling end.

If the Penril and/or modem are unfixable, then use end-to-end Xon/Xoff flow
control, which is less satisfactory as it is subject to latency and loss,
and reduce Kermit's packet size until transfers start to work.

If that's not it, then maybe we have a transparency problem, but let's try
this approach first.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Jones)
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Subject: META key in MSKermit
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I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key,
and I haven't found it.  I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit book,
as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded
MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do.

A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character.  My fingers
are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is
frustrating.  I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and
I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have
to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything.
Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution?



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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
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Hi fellow Kermitters,

I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One
persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to
transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of
working at all <GRIN>. The person has to enter kermit and start receiving,
then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong?

Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos
acting different, or should it not be???

Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (kendall thomason shaw)
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Hi,
    Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4
modem.  Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be
roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought
that there was some optimum window size and number. Now I'm not
sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way over kill but
optimum in all cases? Is there a formula or a procedure for
determining this other than trial and error? Also is there a way to
take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better in the sense of
increasing throughput of correct data. I'm basicly content but just
thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33 and I dial into a rather
speedy Sun4m architecture machine.

thanks
--

Kendall Shaw                        "!"
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: META key in MSKermit
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Chris Jones <[e-mail]> wrote:

>I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key,
>and I haven't found it.  I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit
>book, as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded
>MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do.
>
>A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character.  My fingers
>are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is
>frustrating.  I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and
>I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have
>to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything.
>Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution?
>
I agree it would be nice to be able to assign arbitrary modifier functions
(like Meta) to arbitrary keys (like Alt), but MS-DOS Kermit presently lacks
this capability.

But no, you don't have to write 128 SET KEYs because we've already done it
for you in the EMACS.INI file that comes with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit,
currently in Beta.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode,
file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Look in KEYBOARD subdirectory.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem
Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:12:35 GMT
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In article <y$[e-mail]>,
Jeff Bishop <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One
>persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to
>transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of
>working at all <GRIN>. The person has to enter kermit and start receiving,
>then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong?
>
No.

>Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos
>acting different, or should it not be???
>
It isn't acting different.

A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode".  The Local
Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is
the "called" one.  The distinction is important because of what happens
with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer.  When in local mode,
a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the
communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen"
IS the communication channel.

When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the
local user to get it back to command mode "by hand".  C-Kermit lets you
do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is
in remote mode.  If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer
display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands.

Well, you get the idea.  In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are
in local mode.  Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is
sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters.  Which is as it should be, since
oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when
there was a lot of noise on the line, etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Increasing file transfer through put
Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:26:37 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
kendall thomason shaw <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4
>modem.  Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be
>roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought
>that there was some optimum window size and number.
>
If there was, we would make it the default for everybody.

>Now I'm not sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way
>over kill but optimum in all cases?
>
Because this can cause buffer overflows, network packet loss, etc.

  EVERY CONNECTION IS DIFFERENT!

Even the same connection can be different from one moment to the next.

>Is there a formula or a procedure for determining this other than trial
>and error?
>
There is no formula.  Each connection, each kind of box, each piece of
wire, each kind of computer, each kind of modem, each operating system,
each version of each of the preceding, etc etc, has its own peculiar
characteristics.  Bigger is not always better -- the curve tends to be
bell-shaped, but on each connection the bell is a different shape.

The best way to get your throughput up is probably to crank the window
and packet sizes back down to conservative levels, say 4x1000 or so, and
then read about control-character unprefixing in the documentation for
the recent Kermit releases.  That should get your ZIP file transfers
over V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connections up to about 1600 cps.

>Also is there a way to take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better
>in the sense of increasing throughput of correct data.
>
V.42 is an error-correction protocol.  It has little direct bearing on
throughput -- you sort of have to view it as a block box.  Whatever
comes in one end is more-or-less-sort-of guaranteed to come out the
other end, but it might take longer than you expect (due to
retransmissions, retaining, etc, between the two modems).

You probably mean V.42bis, which is a data compression protocol that
rides over V.42 (or other reliable link layer).  You are wondering: If
my data file is already compressed, then aren't I making my modem work
harder -- and therefore slowing it down -- if I ask it to compress the
uncompressible?  The answer is yes, but probably not very much --
probably less than 1%.  Not enough to make it worth the time it takes
for you to turn the feature off and on.  Ditto for Kermit's own
compression.  Measurements show no significant difference in throughput
with these features turned on and turned off.

>I'm basicly content but just thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33
>and I dial into a rather speedy Sun4m architecture machine.
>
How?  Through a terminal server?  You also might need to take a look at
the terminal server's configuration.  Make sure it has bidirectional
RTS/CTS flow control enabled between itself and the modem.  Turn off its
Xon/Xoff flow control and all other kinds of per-character processing;
some terminal servers have a command for this, such as Cisco's "terminal
download".

By the same token, make sure you have RTS/CTS flow control enabled
between your PC and the modem is directly connected to.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:31:54 -0700
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In article <3dsutj$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode".  The Local
> Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is
> the "called" one.

So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which
would be the remote then?

>  The distinction is important because of what happens
> with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer.  When in local mode,
> a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the
> communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen"
> IS the communication channel.

OK, sounds fine. I can see how that would make much since, but then the user
can not cancel unless sitting at the hostterminal, right???

> When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the
> local user to get it back to command mode "by hand".  C-Kermit lets you
> do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is
> in remote mode.  If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer
> display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands.

Ok, how do you insure that the control-c's will work like c-kermit (remote
mode)?

> Well, you get the idea.  In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are
> in local mode.  Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is
> sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters.  Which is as it should be, since
> oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when
> there was a lot of noise on the line, etc.
>

Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit
(all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file
already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the
sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used?

Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate
this to another person.

> - Frank

Jeff Bishop

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
> In article <3dsutj$[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>> A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode".  The Local
>> Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is
>> the "called" one.
>
> So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which
> would be the remote then?
    Your PC is in local mode. The BBS owner very definitely does NOT
want you to break protocol mode and change states to something unknown.

>>  The distinction is important because of what happens
>> with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer.  When in local mode,
>> a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the
>> communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen"
>> IS the communication channel
    <uncluttering...>
> Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit
> (all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file
> already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the
> sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used?
>
> Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate
> this to another person.

    Sure. READ THE SCREEN, if you are visually able to do so. Or get
a friend to speak it. On the status line of the MS-DOS Kermit file transfer
display screen, and discussed in the user's manual, is a legend explaining
which keys to press to do a formal (nice, clean) protocol termination of
just this file (X) or all files in this operation (Z) or stop the world
abruptly (C) or more gently (E). Try it.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael DeCosta III)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Commodore C128 and Kermit
Date: 29 Dec 1994 07:35:17 GMT
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I am interested in recommendations from C128 users as to which
version of Kermit they find best.

1. CP/M Z80 Kermit
2. C64 Kermit
3. C128 Kermit
4. CKermit (Yes there is UNIX for the C128)

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From: [e-mail] (R Ghosh-Roy)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit / SLIP / PPP
Date: 29 Dec 1994 12:53:21 GMT
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May be its a naive question but I would like to know which of the following three
is best for my PCs talking to a SUN?

1. Kermit (whatever the latest version is)
2. SLIP
3. PPP
4. other

Thanks,
Rana

PS: In future, I would also like to run X applications on my PC.


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From: [e-mail] (Vic Abell)
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I want to end 1994 by complimenting Frank da Cruze and Joe Doupnik
for the section on COM3/COM4 support in the MS-Kermit kermit.bwr
file.  It is the clearest, most cogent statement about an incredibly
difficult subject that I have yet encountered.  When I had the
occasion to add COM3/COM4 support to some software I freely distribute
(a blood glucose testing meter interface) I included kermit.bwr and
recommended that prospective COM3/COM4 users of my software read it.

Thanks, guys!

Vic Abell

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 Ready for Testing
Date: 30 Dec 1994 19:16:03 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Fri Dec 30, 1994, 16:20 Eastern USA time:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-16 include:

 . Fix command-line "-f filename" and related items.

 . More refinements to TCP/IP internals to better balance performance
   against impact on network, and to improve performance of SLIP and
   long-haul TCP/IP connections.

 . Allow passing of null strings to macros as {}.

 . Add Microcom QX/4232hs dialing script from Kevin Brott.

 . Fix \v(cps) to be usable as a variable in commands.

 . Add CPxxx.F08 fonts for use with longer screens.

 . Fix Hankaku-Katakana input (needed for Nikkei Telecom database).

 . Add documentation for Chinese to KERMIT.UPD.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to [e-mail].

- Frank

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Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeff Bishop <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used?
>


Uh, what's "Kerlite"?




--
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: [e-mail]
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... Virtue is its own punishment.

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Foley)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2
Date: 31 Dec 1994 04:30:47 GMT
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I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan.  I have
bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though).  Anyway the
minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for
OS/2 for quite awhile now.  Appearently, the modem I was using raised
the carrier signal because it worked just fine.  I just bought a new US
Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine.
Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or
something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem.  I have
done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier
on' doesn't do it.

I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on,
but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232
communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the
actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit
looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense! If
kermit wants to look for the presence of a DCE device, it should look at
Data Set Ready (DSR), not a signal which shouldn't be present until
connection. Any comments from anyone?

BTW - I am sending this message by flipping to a DOS window and dialing
out using MSKERMIT 3.01. This kermit doesn't get hung up on carrier :-)
(excuse the pun).


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From: [e-mail] (Tim O'Connor)
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Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2
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Mark Foley ([e-mail]) wrote:

> Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or
> something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem.

Try "set carrier off" in your ckermod.ini file, in the OS/2 section.
Worked great for me!

--tim o'connor


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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Azuelos)
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Subject: Where's the last version ?
Date: 31 Dec 1994 15:26:58 +0100
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Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ?
I gave a look at a lot of README files on columbia.edu and they
are all talking of Mac version but apparently none is anymore
available there.

Thank you for your help.
--
dan                 ``Et pourtant ga tourne....''

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After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children
subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT
the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens
                                             ----------
for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having
only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"):

IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994
Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994.
Type ? or HELP for help
Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI...
Installing patches...

Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch.
---------------------------------------------

This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File...
Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI...
...

From [e-mail] Sat Dec 31 09:10:33 1994
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta 15 thru 17
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In article <[e-mail]>, H. D. Knoble <[e-mail]> writes:
> After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children
> subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT
> the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens
>                                              ----------
> for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having
> only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"):
>
> IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994
> Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994.
> Type ? or HELP for help
> Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI...
> Installing patches...
>
> Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch.
> ---------------------------------------------
>
> This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test
> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File...
> Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI...
-------------
    Just ignore the message. Betas change, preparing a legit Patch file
is a lot of work, specific to that particular .exe file, and I'd rather
spend time on other matters until we release the product.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jon M. Taylor)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: File transfers are too slow
Date: 1 Jan 1995 01:46:42 GMT
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    I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help
files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo....

    Situation:  I am connecting from my home computer (486/33,
v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer
(HP 9000/715, OS 9.x)  Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to
swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...).
This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit.  I used to be able to change
the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just
refuses to work at all.  Yaaay Kermit!  I switched out of desperation,
but I am now a convert.
    Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work
correctly (so far, anyway).  I get maximal throughput with packet length
set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in
throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and
windows set to 1.  My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error
correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with
compression and EC on.  With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS.
    Here's the rub:  Things start breaking down with any other window
setting than 1.  The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks
will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of
[maxwin]".  Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries
occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and
one more window.  Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one
more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the
number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the
whole cycle.  With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the
cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32,
when it cycles back to one again.

    Some other misc. info:

- stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results.  The
Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think.

- c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF.  I'm not sure whether to
change this or not - would the Xyplex need it?  I *think* the xyplex uses
XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem....

- I use doublespace with a large disk cache.

    Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used
to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit.
NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad
it's out there.  A couple suggestions:  Have the percentage efficiency and
CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other
common protocols do.  I currently have to stop the transfer to see these.
Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice
touch.  Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility,
how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the
protocol (like Ymodem-G)?  It would add another little speed boost to
those who have EC modems.
    I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why
I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked.  Any help is appreciated.

    -Jon



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From: [e-mail] (william p fulmor)
Subject: Kermit & the strange DOS machine
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I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion
board to a unix based computer.  COM1 is irrevocably tied to a
non-standard on-board-modem.  COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial
port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250.   COM2 is *now* driven by an NS
16550.   \|^)

After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2'
Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to
either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'.  If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in
the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550.  I
don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have
commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini).

If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at
57600, dials the number and connects at 14400.  With very little tuning, I
transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the
remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400.

So why am I using this bandwidth?

1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing <return> following the dial
command to actually dialing the number.  It frequently takes so long to
return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops
before I can get the remote's attention.  "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a
crude work-around.

2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to
remote takes a *long* time.

3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a
very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The
screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in
between.  I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts &
looses interest.  If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible.

I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the
non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter.  Can anyone verify
my suspicions?  Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2
only?  Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow
down in this fashion?

Thanks for your help.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow
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In article <3e51i2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jon M. Taylor) writes:
>
>     I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help
> files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo....
>
>     Situation:  I am connecting from my home computer (486/33,
> v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer
> (HP 9000/715, OS 9.x)  Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to
> swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...).
> This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit.  I used to be able to change
> the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just
> refuses to work at all.  Yaaay Kermit!  I switched out of desperation,
> but I am now a convert.
>     Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work
> correctly (so far, anyway).  I get maximal throughput with packet length
> set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in
> throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and
> windows set to 1.  My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error
> correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with
> compression and EC on.  With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS.
>     Here's the rub:  Things start breaking down with any other window
> setting than 1.  The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks
> will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of
> [maxwin]".  Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries
> occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and
> one more window.  Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one
> more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the
> number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the
> whole cycle.  With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the
> cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32,
> when it cycles back to one again.
>
>     Some other misc. info:
>
> - stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results.  The
> Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think.
>
> - c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF.  I'm not sure whether to
> change this or not - would the Xyplex need it?  I *think* the xyplex uses
> XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem....
>
> - I use doublespace with a large disk cache.
>
>     Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used
> to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit.
> NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad
> it's out there.  A couple suggestions:  Have the percentage efficiency and
> CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other
> common protocols do.  I currently have to stop the transfer to see these.
> Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice
> touch.  Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility,
> how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the
> protocol (like Ymodem-G)?  It would add another little speed boost to
> those who have EC modems.
>     I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why
> I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked.  Any help is appreciated.
>
>     -Jon
-----------------
    You have two knobs to twist: "how much/packet length" and "time/window
slots". Window slots cover up for delays of transmission and analysis time,
by allowing the transmitter to continue sending before the receiver's ACKs
arrive. Simply lengthening packets tries to cover up trasmission delays and
analysis time by having fewer intervals between packets, and of course fewer
header bytes to be exchanged too. But longer packets mean real buffering
problems along the route, as you seem to have discovered.
    I suggest backing down some. Use smaller packets and at least two
window slots. The product can be a few K bytes or less, depending on your
particular site. Then that nasty flow control problem needs some probing,
if possible.

    Your suggestions. Per packet window decorations cost performance,
and "efficiency" figures apply only to serial port comms (and not very
well to them these days with higher speeds on the DTE-DCE path than on the
telco wires). We won't even consider turning off error detection: not only
are modems not always error correcting, and never perfectly so even then,
but there are a host of other causes of trouble, and you are assuming that
checking is a serious performance penalty. Y-modem is hardly a protocol at
all: it's a send & pray scheme.
    Speaking in harsh terms it is my feeling that secure file transfers
are more important by far than either visual entertainment or games about the
last bit/second; after all, within reason what is being transfered ought to be
more important than the act of transferral.

    I hope you can sort out that horrid Xyplex terminal server problem.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (william p fulmor) writes:
> I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion
> board to a unix based computer.  COM1 is irrevocably tied to a
> non-standard on-board-modem.  COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial
> port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250.   COM2 is *now* driven by an NS
> 16550.   \|^)
>
> After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2'
> Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to
> either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'.  If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in
> the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550.  I
> don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have
> commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini).
>
> If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at
> 57600, dials the number and connects at 14400.  With very little tuning, I
> transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the
> remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400.
>
> So why am I using this bandwidth?

    I don't quite understand this last question. Your telco line is
limited to 14,400 bps plus whatever compression can do (in Kermit, in the
modem). 2600 cps is about 26,000 bps equivalent and that implies a
compression of 2:1 (rather better than average).

> 1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing <return> following the dial
> command to actually dialing the number.  It frequently takes so long to
> return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops
> before I can get the remote's attention.  "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a
> crude work-around.

    That's a sure sign of hardware troubles (interrupts are lost,
horribly for example).

> 2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to
> remote takes a *long* time.
    Ditto.

> 3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a
> very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The
> screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in
> between.  I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts &
> looses interest.  If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible.

    Flow control is the likely suspect and the other end thinks
you have stopped the flow. Again, serious hardware problems can mess up
serial port handshaking.

> I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the
> non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter.  Can anyone verify
> my suspicions?  Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2
> only?  Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow
> down in this fashion?

    Kermit will tell your about BIOSn. Just use SHOW COM to see it.
SET PORT COM2 tells Kermit to use that port, and be sure there are no
port-sensing commands before it (SHOW COM is a sensing command) so that
the default COM1 is not touched by them. Try placing SET PORT COM2 near
the top of file mskermit.ini to ensure that's the default port when the
scripts run.
    "Non-standard hardware features" covers rather much territory and I
hesitate to begin speculating what your computer really looks like at the
hardware level.
    Joe D.

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Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under
kermit?
I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to
acknowledge kermit
Thanks in advance.


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From: [e-mail] (Endo the river rat)
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Subject: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
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The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am
having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no
problems with .hqx or text files.  I am new to kermit and I have read the
help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine
but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor
from me please write and I'll tell you what I can.

Thanx,

Dave


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem
Date: 2 Jan 1995 16:35:39 GMT
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In article <3e1ub0$[e-mail]>, Mike Freeman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Uh, what's "Kerlite"?
>
KERLITE.EXE is a small-size edition of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  It has no
CONNECT command and no network support.  It is designed to be used as an
external Kermit protocol and/or script execution engine in BBS and other
embedded applications.

There is also a medium-sized edition called KERMITE.EXE, which includes
text terminal emulation, but lacks graphics terminal emulation and network
support.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Where's the last version ?
Date: 2 Jan 1995 16:37:53 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Daniel Azuelos <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ?
>
CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT

As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994

*** BULLETIN ***
Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with
downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x).  Now files can be downloaded
on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS
7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects.  It should also fix certain
binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when
downloading in binary mode.
*****************

The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988.  Unfortunately, it
does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems.  However, newer
versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on
these old models.

A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result
(so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most
purposes.

The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is
0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190).  It is available via anonymous FTP
from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f.

A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is
complete.  Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will
be.  Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for
further announcements.  You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending
email to [e-mail] (or [e-mail]) containing
the text:

  SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here

Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/f directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

(End of ckmaaa.hlp)




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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: smartcomm script! wanted
Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:08:45 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Simon C.Hall <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under
>kermit?
>I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to
>acknowledge kermit
>
Did you try ULTRA144.SCR?  That one is for Hayes Ultra 14400 bps modems,
tested successfully on external models.  Evidently you have an internal
modem.  First you have to give a SET PORT command to tell Kermit which
port it's on, in case it is not on COM1.  If you did that and it still
doesn't work, then all the cautions about address and interrupt conflicts
apply.

Please read Section 6, "Troubleshooting MS-DOS Kermit Serial Port and Modem
Problems", in the KERMIT.BWR file.

By the way, an easy way to debug dialing troubles is to simply CONNECT to
the port and type AT commands to the modem yourself.  You don't *have* to
use dialing scripts to dial.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:12:19 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Endo the river rat <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am
>having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no
>problems with .hqx or text files.  I am new to kermit and I have read the
>help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine
>but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor
>from me please write and I'll tell you what I can.
>
Which Kermit programs are you using, and which version of each one?  On
what kind of computer?  Using what connection method?  etc etc.  It's
always a good idea to include a few relevant facts in trouble reports --
remember, there are hundreds of different Kermit programs running on
probably thousands of different machine/OS/OS-version combinations.

Anyway, the most likely explanation of the problem is that you failed to
tell Kermit to transfer the files in binary mode.  Kermit (unlike sz)
uses text mode by default.  Just tell (at least) the file sender to:

  SET FILE TYPE BINARY

For safety (since you did not say what Kermit software you are using),
give this command to both Kermit programs before starting the transfer.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Glenn R. Stone)
Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Endo the river rat) writes:

>The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am
>having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no
>problems with .hqx or text files.  I am new to kermit and I have read the
>help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine
>but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor
>from me please write and I'll tell you what I can.

You have to tell both sides that the file is binary.  On the unix side, add
a -i flag to your kermit command line (or if you're talking to the C-Kermit>
prompt, tell it "set file type binary" before "send" or "server"); on the
Mac side (obviously what you're using) look under one of the menus for file
transfer options and set the binary mode.  (It's been a LONG time since I've
used MacKermit...)  (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the
MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on
the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if
this requires 5A(190) or not...)

Kermit won't eat your binaries if you tell it not to... GIGO, however..

warp eight bot, little froggy type dude
Kermit.  It's not just a file transfer anymore.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2
Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:18:58 GMT
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In article <3e2mpn$[e-mail]>,
Mark Foley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan.  I have
>bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though).  Anyway the
>minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for
>OS/2 for quite awhile now.  Appearently, the modem I was using raised
>the carrier signal because it worked just fine.  I just bought a new US
>Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine.
>Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or
>something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem.  I have
>done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier
>on' doesn't do it.
>
Please read about the SET CARRIER command.  It lets you adjust Kermit to
the behavior of your modem.  The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means
to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during
CONNECT mode.  SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of
course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232.  SET CARRIER
OFF means to ignore carrier.

>I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on,
>but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232
>communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the
>actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit
>looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense!
>
It won't do that unless you told it to.  Look in your CKERMIT.INI or
CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on".  You probably put this command
in there a while back and forgot about it.

Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years
ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow
Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:36:32 GMT
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In article <3e51i2$[e-mail]>,
Jon M. Taylor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Situation:  I am connecting from my home computer (486/33,
>v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer
>(HP 9000/715, OS 9.x)  Via a Xyplex terminal server ...
>    Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work
>correctly (so far, anyway).  I get maximal throughput with packet length
>set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in
>throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and
>windows set to 1.  My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error
>correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with
>compression and EC on.  With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS.
>    Here's the rub:  Things start breaking down with any other window
>setting than 1.
>...
>- c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF.  I'm not sure whether to
>change this or not - would the Xyplex need it?  I *think* the xyplex uses
>XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem....
>
Like it says in the documentation...  tell C-Kermit on the host to
"set flow none".  It has a TCP/IP connection (TELNET or RLOGIN) to the
terminal server, and the network protocol itself provides the flow control.
Disabling Xon/Xoff in this situation should perk things up quite a bit.

Second, make sure you have RTS/CTS enabled in MS-DOS Kermit on your PC
*and* on your modem.  Most of our high-speed dialing scripts take care
of this automatically.

I don't know a huge amount about Annexes, but I'll speculate that you
are uploading.  Many kinds of terminal servers were designed to have
big buffers in the host-to-terminal direction and small ones in the
opposite direction.  This is bad for uploading files.  At the very least,
the system/network administrators must ensure an extremely effective
and responsive method of flow control between the terminal server and the
answering modem (preferably RTS/CTS).  Better still, perhaps they can
reconfigure the terminal servers to allocate buffer space more equitably.

Or maybe the Annex has some kind of command that you can give at its
prompt that will condition it for file transfers, similar to the Cisco
terminal server's "terminal download" command.

Finally, about the window size -- please read in the documentation about
sliding windows.  The file receiver will never use a window size greater
than 1, even if a larger size has been SET and successfully negotiated,
unless packets are lost or damaged.  That's because normally packets
arrive in their correct order and therefore each one is disposed of
promptly as it arrives.

>    Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used
>to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit.
>NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad
>it's out there.
>
Thanks.

>A couple suggestions:  Have the percentage efficiency and
>CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other
>common protocols do.
>
C-Kermit does this (when you use SET FILE DISPLAY FULLSCREEN), but
generally speaking, size and efficiency are a bigger issue for MS-DOS
Kermit, which must still run on 4.77MHz 8088s.  Maybe some day this could
be added as an option, but not in version 3.14.

>Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility,
>how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the
>protocol (like Ymodem-G)?  It would add another little speed boost to
>those who have EC modems.
>
As Joe says, and has been explained repeatedly on many newsgroups,
most recently on comp.dcom.modems, this would be a false economy.  Even
if modem connections could be regarded as 100% reliable and error-free,
there are end-to-end issues of flow and error control, not to mention
presentation issues, etc, that are beyond the modems' sphere of
influence.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine
Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:43:03 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
william p fulmor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion
>board to a unix based computer.  COM1 is irrevocably tied to a
>non-standard on-board-modem.  COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial
>port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250.   COM2 is *now* driven by an NS
>16550.   \|^)
>
>After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, ...
>
Please try 3.14 Beta.  There have been many improvements in the RS-232
(dealing with modem signals) area, which might affect your situation.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary
mode, file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level READ.ME
to get started.

>...
>1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing <return> following the dial
>command to actually dialing the number.
>
This sounds like repeated flow-control failures and long timeout waits
(about 15 seconds each).  This probably means that Kermit has been told
to SET FLOW RTS/CTS prior to dialing, but that the modem has not been
configured for RTS/CTS, or does not use it properly while in command mode.

Try SET FLOW NONE during dialing, and then (if it works) change to SET
FLOW RTS/CTS after dialing is complete.

>2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to
>remote takes a *long* time.
>
Again, it sounds like your modem is not asserting CTS at the time when
CONNECT.  Make sure Kermit and the modem are *both* set for RTS/CTS
flow control.  If that doesn't help, I'd say the modem is probably not
working right -- or your cable does not connect the RTS and CTS terminals
on each side to their counterparts on the other.

>3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a
>very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The
>screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in
>between.
>
Same deal, again.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: APC on kermit for oS/2 help needed???
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 1995 10:57:52 -0700
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I have been trying to get apc to work on ckermit 190 for OS/2. I am running
ckermit 190 for os/2 using its network features, which are fantastic (thanks
a lot for that). Here are the two unix scripts I use to try and do this:

echo '<ESC>_set file type binary, receive <ESC>\'
$HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1

and

echo '<ESC>_set file type text, receive <ESC>\'
$HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1

Now, the kermit.ini is like this:

set delay 1
set window 4
set block 3
set receive packet-length 9024
SET RECEIVE PATH OFF
set send packet-length 9024
set terminal apc on
SET FILE COLL OVERWRITE
SET FILE DISPLAY QUIET

OK, ckermit 190 for OS/2 is in VT220 mode with APC turned on. If I run the
script for the first time it simply returns me to the ckermit> prompt. I
then have to connect and control-c out of ckermit on the unix box. I can
then re-run the script the exact same way, and it works <GRIN>. Now, why is
this? Keep in mind, both kermits are 190 level. I compiled the unix one just
recently from the source on kermit.columbia.edu.

Jeff

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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: where find FAQ, com3, packet size
Date: 2 Jan 1995 14:11 EST
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Hi,

Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ?  Also any suggestions
for some books on KERMIT?

I have some things I would liek to fix.  I got a new pc  with a built in modem
on COM 3.  Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it.  I have a basic understanding of
computers and use them a lot at work, but am not to familiar with kermit other
then the basic aspect of transferring files and using it to make my a pc a
dummy terminal for work (its a NEC pentium 66 mhz connecting to a VAX/VMS
system at work).

I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up
transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but
would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!)

Any tips/ideas/suggestions would be mucho apprecieated,
Thanks
Jonathan  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit auto DL/UL!
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In article <lk32luqcZ$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
> After examining kermit packets closely a friend has determined two strings
> that can be used to start kermit transfers automatically from {COMMO} (any
> other term program for that matter). This is not using the APC logic described
> in kermit.upd though.
>
> The two strings are:
>
> For upload I am using   "^a# N3" download              "^a5 S~".
>
> I have tested this and it works using msdos kermit on both sides.
-----------
    Only if
    a) Control-A is used as the start of packet character, and
       the checksum is correct
    b) this pattern can never exist in real data
    c) the other end is willing to send idle NAKs
    The S packet material is vital, is not nearly so short as you
have describe, and must not be broken into pieces.
    Unfortunately, none of a..c is a requirement. Maybe your friend should
also examine the protocol specs carefully to see the variations. In general,
there is no safe pattern.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Leo J. Tick)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
Date: 2 Jan 1995 15:51:02 -0500
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I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set
the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As
F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case
in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: where find FAQ, com3, packet size
Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:52:24 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ?
>
Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file faq.txt.

>Also any suggestions for some books on KERMIT?
>
Listed below.

>I have some things I would liek to fix.  I got a new pc with a built in modem
>on COM 3.  Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it.
>
Please read the KERMIT.BWR that comes on your MS-DOS Kermit diskette,
the section about PC serial ports and internal modems.  It will tell what
you need to know.

>I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up
>transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but
>would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!)
>
If it doesn't use a nonstandard address or IRQ, and if there is no IRQ
conflict, just tell Kermit to "set port com3".  If that doesn't do it, then
please read the aforementioned file.

For increasing packet sizes and other methods of making file transfers go
faster, please read the aforementioned FAQ.

                           KERMIT BOOK LIST

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MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and
compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in:

    Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
    IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.  In computer
    and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from
    Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette,
    including German- language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W.
    Selke.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.

And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme
    edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.
    Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2,
    and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean
    Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.

There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the
NEC PC9801:

    Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today
    Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages.
    ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E.

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C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2,
AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is
documented in:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital
    Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
    1-55558-108-0.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und
    Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).  ISBN
    3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.

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The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book,
which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data
communications, and using Kermit:

    Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press /
    Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN
    0-932376-88-6.  In computer and book stores, or order direct from
    Columbia University or from Digital Press.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating
systems is available from Columbia University.  Contact Columbia for a
free Kermit software catalog.


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                                 HOW TO ORDER

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

   1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher,
      Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or
      American Express:

          [phone]     (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada)
          [phone]       (Rushden, England office for Europe)
          [phone]      (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ)
          [phone]        (Singapore office for Asia)

   2. From Columbia University:

          Kermit Development and Distribution
          Columbia University Academic Information Systems
          612 West 115th Street
          New York, NY  10025  USA
          Tel.  [phone]
          Fax.  [phone]
          E-Mail: [e-mail]

      Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Add $5 US for shipping
      outside of North America.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or
      Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for
      checks not drawn on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not
      include sales tax.  Quantity discounts are available.
      Single-copy US prices (in US dollars):

          Using MS-DOS Kermit  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95
          Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95
          All three  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS:

        MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00
        C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00

        Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG
        Helstorfer Strasse 7
        D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY
        Tel.  [phone]
        Fax.  [phone]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

FRENCH:  Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi:  . . . . . . . . . . .  FF 495,00

        Heinz Schiefer & Cie.
        45 rue Henri de Regnier
        F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE
        Tel.  [phone]
        Fax.  [phone]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

JAPANESE:  MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  1,800 Y

        Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd.
        Abe-toku Building
        2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku
        Tokyo 101, JAPAN
        Tel.  [phone]

-----------------------------------------------------------------------


- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:56:44 GMT
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In article <3e9ovm$[e-mail]>, Leo J. Tick <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set
>the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As
>F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case
>in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc.
>
Prior to C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and IBM Mainframe Kermit
4.3.1, the file transfer mode, text or binary, was ALWAYS governed by the
file sender (as long as both Kermits supported and had successfully
negotiated the use of File Attribute packets and the "file type"
attribute).  The file sender tells the file receiver the transfer mode,
and the file receiver switches accordingly, automatically.

In the new versions, but only when the two Kermit programs have a
client/server relationship, it is the *client* that determines the
transfer mode, no matter whether it is sending or receiving.  This change
was made by popular demand, to address the following scenario:

 1. User starts remote Kermit, puts it in server mode.

 2. User escapes back to local Kermit and tells it to:

      SET FILE TYPE BINARY
      GET OOFA.ZIP

Previously, OOFA.ZIP would arrive in text mode.  Now it arrives in
binary mode.

Please read the KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit
5A(190)) for a fuller explanation.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz*
Date: 3 Jan 1995 15:55:33 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Glenn R. Stone <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>used MacKermit...)  (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the
>MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on
>the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if
>this requires 5A(190) or not...)
>
It does.





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From: [e-mail] (David Hiltz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Simple Unix Menu Driven Interface
Date: 4 Jan 1995 00:30:51 GMT
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David A. Berk ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account
: and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could
: upload and download to.  Any help appreciated.

  MenuPerl gives you simple menuing capability.  You are going to have your
  Procomm users log onto a Unix host and run a menu program?  If so,
  menuperl will do the job.

   -----------
   David Hiltz
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   Northeast Fisheries Science Center
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Foley)
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Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3e2mpn$[e-mail]>,
: Mark Foley <[e-mail]> wrote:
: > (stuff deleted)
: >Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or
: >something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem.  I have
: >done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier
: >on' doesn't do it.
: >
: Please read about the SET CARRIER command.  It lets you adjust Kermit to
: the behavior of your modem.  The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means
: to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during
: CONNECT mode.  SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of
: course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232.  SET CARRIER
: OFF means to ignore carrier.

: It won't do that unless you told it to.  Look in your CKERMIT.INI or
: CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on".  You probably put this command
: in there a while back and forgot about it.

: Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years
: ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities.

: - Frank

Thanks for the tips. I was confused about the ON/OFF meaning in SET
CARRIER. I though SET CARRIER ON meant SET the CARRIER ON (or act like
is set on, anyway). There is no SET CARRIER ... in either CKERMIT.INI
or CKERMOD.INI. SET CARRIER AUTO still gave me the same problem.
However, SET CARRIER OFF works just fine. I am writing this via OS/2
Kermit. I will get version 5A(190) ASAP.

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Subject: new kermit docs
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I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new
Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities.

Regargs


Luca




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Subject: Simple Unix Menu Driven Interface
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I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account
and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could
upload and download to.  Any help appreciated.

thanks;
--

David Barak
[e-mail]

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Please bear with my ignorance...

I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS.  I have been using
a dated modem program (CrossTalk).  I know a little ProComm too.

When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>.  I
enter 'receive <file name>'.  After a long delay I get a 'too many
retries' message.

Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an
enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful).

Thanks for your time and patience

private e-mail preferred

Jim Leftwich
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To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package
known as kermit. Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network
with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient
to "automate" tasks.

Works rather well,
Commands that complete quickly work great.
Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the process.
I've discovered that
REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0
will make the timeout value infinite, but
I still timeout with:
"Sent too many NAKs"

Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of
quick executing commands and long executing commands.

All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands
with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix.

small sample of a test script:

; SET NETWORK TCP/IP
LOG SESSION output.out
SET HOST node
script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \
who~sam~si~s& ]> \
jobs~s~-l ]> \
who~sam~si ]> quit
; SET HOST

Anybody got any bright ideas?

David Shapiro
[e-mail]

PPS
IBM Corp
[phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Steffen Schwigon)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How to continue a broken `get'?  &&  Where is the FAQ?
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Hi!

I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the
Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes
the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the
`get' command on a file?

(Actually I split the file into a lot of small parts and use
`set file collision discard'. But I still have to delete the last
broken file.)

Maybe this is a FAQ, so please write where I can find the FAQ.

(Greeti+Tha)nX
Steffen
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to continue a broken `get'?  &&  Where is the FAQ?
Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:09:59 GMT
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In article <3ebsd9$[e-mail]>,
Steffen Schwigon <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the
>Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes
>the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the
>`get' command on a file?
>
Yes.

The new releases of Kermit software (some of them still in Beta) --
C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (Beta), and IBM Mainframe Kermit
4.3.1 (Beta) -- allow a binary-mode file transfer to be resumed from the
point of failure.  Simply RESEND the file.

See the appropriate update notices for details: KERMIT.UPD for MS-DOS
Kermit 3.14, ckcker.upd for C-Kermit, etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: testing with kermit
Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:28:49 GMT
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In article <3ec7fo$[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package
>known as kermit.
>
It's not public domain.  Read the copyright notice.

>Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network
>with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient
>to "automate" tasks.
>
>Works rather well,
>Commands that complete quickly work great.
>Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the
>process.  I've discovered that
>REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0
>will make the timeout value infinite, but I still timeout with:
>"Sent too many NAKs"
>
This type of message appears when a file transfer fails.  A NAK (Negative
Acknowledgement) occurs when an expected packet does not arrive within the
specified (or default) timeout interval, or when it arrives in damaged
condition (e.g. back checksum).

The only "commands" that time out are file transfers and other protocol-
driven operations (client/server stuff) and script programming commands
that expect certain inputs within a specified or default amount of time.

You can control protocol-related timeouts with the SET { SEND, RECEIVE }
TIMEOUT command.  { REMOTE } SET SERVER TIMEOUT controls only one thing:
whether Kermit, when in server mode, sends periodic NAKs while waiting
for commands, i.e. when it is doing nothing.  These NAKs are normally not
needed, but if the Kermit program on the other end is not capable of
timing out (e.g. early versions, circa 1981, of CP/M Kermit), then this
would be the only way to break the deadlock that would occur if a
server command packet sent by a non-timing-out client were to be lost
in transit.

>Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of
>quick executing commands and long executing commands.
>All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands
>with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix.
>
All you have to do is read the manual.

>small sample of a test script:
>
>; SET NETWORK TCP/IP
>LOG SESSION output.out
>SET HOST node
>script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \
>who~sam~si~s& ]> \
>jobs~s~-l ]> \
>who~sam~si ]> quit
>
In this example, you are using the old uucp-style SCRIPT command,
which is not the best way to write scripts because it is cryptic,
limited, and inflexible.  There is a much more readable, powerful,
and flexible script programming language that is documented in
chapters 11-13 of the manual (see below).  It lets you (for example)
specify an explicit timeout on each item.  Your example above might
be recoded as something like this:

  LOG SESSION output.out
  SET HOST node
  SET INPUT ECHO ON ; (or OFF, as you wish)
  INPUT 20 gin:
  IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get Login prompt}
  OUTPUT root\13
  INPUT 5 word:
  IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get password prompt}
  SET INPUT TIMEOUT QUIT
  INPUT 30 ]>
  OUTPUT who\13
  INPUT 10 ]>
  OUTPUT date\13
  INPUT 10 ]>
  OUTPUT who am i\13
  INPUT 10 ]>
  OUTPUT jobs -l\13

>Anybody got any bright ideas?
>
Read the manual?

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $45 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 90,00.
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
    Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

- Frank

P.S. I sympathize with people who don't like the SCRIPT command.  Once the
INPUT/OUTPUT/IF/GOTO/FOR/WHILE/etc style of script programming was added to
C-Kermit in version 5A, I was tempted to yank it out, but of course I could
not because many people depended on it.  People who want to write new
scripts, however, are encouraged to use the new features rather than the
old SCRIPT command unless they are totally comfortable with the SCRIPT
command and its limitations.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: new kermit docs
Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:35:25 GMT
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In article <3ed2k9$[e-mail]>,
Gianluca Attura  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new
>Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities.
>
Long packets are not new.  They are documented in the Kermit protocol
specification:

  Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press,
  Bedford, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6.

The *use* of long packets is documented in the user manuals for each
Kermit program, such as "Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit".

APC capabilities are relatively recent.  They are documented in the
update notes that come with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later (KERMIT.UPD),
C-Kermit 5A(190) or later (CKERMIT.INF for OS/2, ckcker.upd for UNIX,
VMS, etc).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit newbie
Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:39:32 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
James Leftwich  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS.  I have been using
>a dated modem program (CrossTalk).  I know a little ProComm too.
>
>When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>.  I
>enter 'receive <file name>'.  After a long delay I get a 'too many
>retries' message.
>
>Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an
>enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful).
>
When the "UNIX shell comes up C-Kermit>", that's called a prompt.
Just above the prompt it said:

  Type ? or HELP for help

Did you try that?

In any case, if you think about it for a second, if you want to download
a file, you have to tell the software the name of the file to be downloaded.
So, for example, if the file's name was "oofa.txt", you would type, in
response to the C-Kermit> prompt:

  send oofa.txt

Then you would instruct your terminal program to receive the file.
Obviously (I hope), you must also instruct your terminal program to use
Kermit protocol.

For further information, please read the pertinent manuals.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~})
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: PPP support?
Date: 4 Jan 1995 15:35:11 GMT
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I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the
UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal
server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the
packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the
connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works
great.

However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the
Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I
set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters
(IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet,
CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that
mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something
wrong?

BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction,
V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s
for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I
have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive
packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155).
On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived.



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From: [e-mail] (A. Andrew Brennan)
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Subject: ESC[0m ???
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   Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty
   "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables)
   to tackle today's problem.

   I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to
   have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in
   red.  No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right?  Now, on the
   DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors.  Kermit (in
   both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI
   sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will.

   Any idea on this one?  Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of
   ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for
   resetting colors, right?  :^)

   andrew.  ([e-mail])


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: ESC[0m ???
Date: 4 Jan 1995 22:43:37 GMT
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In article <3eejef$[e-mail]>,
A. Andrew Brennan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>   I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to
>   have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in
>   red.  No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right?  Now, on the
>   DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors.  Kermit (in
>   both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI
>   sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will.
>
>   Any idea on this one?  Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of
>   ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for
>   resetting colors, right?  :^)
>
From the KERMIT.UPD for version 3.14:

SET TERMINAL COLOR 20
  If Kermit receives a "reset visual attributes" escape sequence (CSI 0 m)
  from the host, this does not affect the screen coloration.  However, some
  applications expect it to restore the default fore- and background colors.
  SET TERMINAL COLOR 20 tells Kermit to do this.  v3.14.

By the way, if you have any official DEC documentation that says this should
be the default behavior, we'd like to see it.  Our DEC VT manuals list the
actions to be taken on CSI 0 m very explicitly, and none of them affect the
coloration.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Burns)
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Subject: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5
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While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit
C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error:

Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10

Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all
DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think
those are only for TCP/IP anyway ?

scott
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5
Date: 5 Jan 1995 02:58:42 GMT
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In article <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner>,
Scott Burns <[e-mail]> wrote:
>While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit
>C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error:
>
>Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10
>
>Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all
>DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think
>those are only for TCP/IP anyway ?
>
>scott
>[e-mail]

OS2SM is a library that WinNT 3.5 does not provide.  Therefore, C-Kermit
will not work on Windows NT.

Unfortunately, you will have to wait for an NT specific version.
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Tom Horsley)
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I have been using the regular MSDOS kermit under Windows NT, and if you don't
try to push it too hard it works fine (I notice a tendency of it to drop
characters if I try any speed faster than 19.2K). Presumably a native version
for NT would have less emulation overhead and could run at much higher speeds,
but the DOS version is fine for me.
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From: [e-mail] (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG)
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Subject: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP?
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Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with
ethernet boards using TCP/IP?  What is the simplest method, and what is
needed?

Thanks for any help.
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From: [e-mail] (Bernd Seitter)
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Subject: MacKermit problems
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hoi !

i have problems with running a script with MacKermit.

the script looks like this :
    open read foo.bar
    read \%a
    echo \%a

the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this

    this is test
    end of test

MacKermit 0.99(190) 11/26/93 16:12 behaves like this :

when running the script :
    Unknown IO error : -51
    zclose(): i dont know what kind of file this is : 9


MacKermit 0.991(190) 08/19/94 10:01 behaves like this :

when running the script :
    i'm transfered to MacBugs : mberto+00A2

    (by the way : this happens everytime i try to run a script, even
    the script contains only a comment ...)

on the command line everything works fine with this version of
kermit (0.991(190)).

any ideas or help out there ?

thank you very much !!
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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Re: MacKermit problems
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In article <3eherk$[e-mail]>,
Bernd Seitter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>hoi !
>
>i have problems with running a script with MacKermit.
>
>the script looks like this :
>    open read foo.bar
>    read \%a
>    echo \%a
>
>the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this
>
>    this is test
>    end of test
>

I had similar problems with OpenVMS Kermit and the
problem was resolved by doing a...

set file type text

before opening the file.  It may or may not be
the same problem.

    Erik
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP?
Date: 5 Jan 1995 23:29:31 GMT
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In article <3eh28e$[e-mail]>,
JOHN DONALD LAESSIG <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with
>ethernet boards using TCP/IP?  What is the simplest method, and what is
>needed?
>
Configure each PC's Kermit program for TCP/IP according to the instructions
in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Chapter 17.

On one PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp *", which means wait for an
incoming TCP/IP connection, and then "server" to put it in Kermit
server mode.

Then on the other PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp xxxx", where xxxx is the
IP address of the first PC, and then just give it SEND, GET, REMOTE
DIRECTORY, and similar commands.

You can even transfer entire directory trees from one PC to another in
this way.  Use the XSEND utility that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit
(or at least it will be supplied with version 3.14 -- in earlier versions
it was on a separate "utilities" diskette).  You can ftp the XSEND
utility from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, files msixse.*.
The binary is in kermit/bin/msixse.exe.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP?
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In article <3eh28e$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) writes:
> Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with
> ethernet boards using TCP/IP?  What is the simplest method, and what is
> needed?
------------
    Yes, and not only using TCP/IP but also NetBIOS and some other
networking channels. One is placed in Telnet listen mode, SET PORT TCP *,
the other is a regular client. For file transfer put the listener in
Kermit SERVER mode. It's in the manuals and release notes. Try the 3.14
beta; it's really fast between PCs this way (I clock about 70KB/sec between
486's).
    Joe D.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ESC[0m ???
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In article <3eejef$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (A. Andrew Brennan) writes:
>    Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty
>    "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables)
>    to tackle today's problem.
>
>    I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to
>    have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in
>    red.  No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right?  Now, on the
>    DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors.  Kermit (in
>    both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI
>    sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will.
>
>    Any idea on this one?  Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of
>    ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for
>    resetting colors, right?  :^)
-----------
    Display attributes, the CSI Pn; Pn..; Pn m command, lacks color
information. Read what attributes are being controlled and the matter
should be clearer. The ANSI.SYS TSR for DOS has little relationship with
the comms world. But many of us have used it for color information in lieu
of an acceptable substitute. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 beta has a command to zap
colors to defaults upon a CSI m; use SET TERM COLOR ? to see, or read the
docs in the beta archive file.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: PPP support?
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In article <3eef7f$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) writes:
> I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the
> UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal
> server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the
> packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the
> connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works
> great.
>
> However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the
> Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I
> set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters
> (IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet,
> CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that
> mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something
> wrong?
>
> BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction,
> V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s
> for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I
> have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive
> packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155).
> On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived.
--------------
    As we've mentioned a number of times here and in the docs, MS-DOS
Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack works with
    a) Packet Drivers which present either an Ethernet (DIX flavor) or
       SLIP interface,
    b) Novell ODI drivers, including SLIP_PPP,
    c) Telebit's PPP drivers (Packet Driver flavor and ODI flavor).

    There is no such thing as a standardized top level interface for
PPP drivers. Every one is vastly different, and almost completely undoc'd.
    I wish I could say something nice about Merit's Etherppp package,
but to be honest it has never ever run here. It hangs my PC every time as
it initializes, well before Kermit enters the picture, and I do know what
I'm about in PCs.
    I think you will find the next beta has better SLIP performance,
but it's rather awkward for me to explore this locally. A lot, and that
does mean a lot, of work has been done to minimize the number of packets
appearing on the wires so that SLIP and PPP may work well. There is a
tradeoff between fewest packets and greatest throughput in the face of
packet losses, yet SLIP/PPP wants both. There are no canned cures for these
conflicting requirements. And that means I won't entertain any silly bits/sec
contest such as we see with straight serial comms; it's just not that simple.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3ed2k9$[e-mail]>, Gianluca Attura <[e-mail]> writes:
> I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new
> Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities.
---------------
    APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK.
Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as
new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book:
the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced
in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Help With Server & Con Redirection
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Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server
mode.  Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console.
However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have.
Here's the lowdown:  one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0.
On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode.  I'm coming in from
the Linux box.  The connection is being made over a tcpip connection.
Here's where my problem is.  Since I have set port tcp *, it's not
really going through any serial port.  Thus, I can't use ctty to
redirct the output since this only works for serial ports.

Am I missing something?  Is there a way to do this?  Do I need a ctty
clone or something?  Does such a beast exist?  Am I the only one who's
ever thought of doing this?  Am I boring you with all of these
questions?

As always, all help is appreciated and thanks in advance...

        --Jerry

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From: [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer)
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Dear Fellow Kermitalolics,

I use

RUN MODE 80,50

to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows.  then I use set terminal/page=49
to preserve the 50 status line.

when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows.  then it goes back
to 80 cols.  it stays 25 rows.  is there a way to force it back to
50 rows?

Jim

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Monty)
Subject: [?] Backspace key says, "^?"
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DISCLAIMER:  I've looked for the answer to the following question in
             _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included
             with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13.  I either couldn't find the
             answer or didn't understand it if I did.

I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0,
using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem.  Kermit is set for VT220
terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page
CP437.  I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may
assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults.

Alas, the question:  In some online environments, my backspace key behaves
as one would expect it to.  In others, hitting the backspace key results
in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?"  appearing on
the screen.  I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations.  In these
exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my
dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other
terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this
way.  The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace.

I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit
configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out.  And I've never
really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out
myself.  (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.)  Thanks, in
advance, for taking the time to help me.


---
Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP
[e-mail]
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Hi,

I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit
on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect
command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow
(just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works
fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if
possible) via e-mail.

Thank you,

Pierre Jean-Laurent
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?"
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Monty <[e-mail]> wrote:
>DISCLAIMER:  I've looked for the answer to the following question in
>             _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included
>             with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13.  I either couldn't find the
>             answer or didn't understand it if I did.
>
Thank you for consulting the documentation.

>I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0,
>using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem.  Kermit is set for VT220
>terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page
>CP437.  I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may
>assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults.
>
>Alas, the question:  In some online environments, my backspace key behaves
>as one would expect it to.  In others, hitting the backspace key results
>in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?"  appearing on
>the screen.  I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations.  In these
>exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my
>dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other
>terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this
>way.  The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace.
>
>I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit
>configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out.  And I've never
>really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out
>myself.  (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.)  Thanks, in
>advance, for taking the time to help me.
>
>Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP
>
Well, Jim, I think it's finally time to classify this as a Frequently
Asked Question and add it to the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT).

As you have discovered, different hosts and applications use different
characters (or sequences) for destructive backspace.  The terminal
emulator, Kermit or otherwise (including Telemate -- if its backspace key
works for you in all circumstances, I think that's just a stroke of luck),
has no way of knowing what host or application you are using, and
therefore no way of knowing what to send when you press the Backspace key.

Of course, Kermit's Backspace key must send *something* "out of the box",
so it uses one of the several most likely destructive backspace values,
and in fact the one that is defined in ASCII to be destructive backspace,
namely Rubout, also known as Delete or DEL, character number 127, which
sometimes is displayed as "^?".  Lest anyone believe this is a frivolous
choice, I quote from American National Standard X3.4-1977, Section 5.1,
Control Characters:

  0/8 BS (Backspace).  A one-active-position format effector that moves
  the position backward on the same line.

  7/15 (DEL). A character used primarily to erase or obliterate an
  erroneous or unwanted character...

In cases where the default does not work, Kermit lets you redefine the
Backspace key (or any other key) to send whatever you want it to send (or
to take any other actions) with the SET KEY command.

The SET KEY command has two operands: a unique identifier for a key or key
combination, called a scan code, and the value or action to be assigned to
the key.  Scan codes are written with a preceding backslash (\).  The scan
code for the Backspace key is \270.  The default definition for this key
is \127, meaning the character whose numeric value is 127, i.e. DEL.

You can find out a key's scan code by consulting Table I-9 in the manual
(pages 285-288), or by giving the SHOW KEY command to Kermit and then
pressing the desired key or key combination.

Now, as you have discovered, some applications use Ctrl-H -- ASCII BS
(Backspace) -- for destructive backspace.  Consulting the ASCII table on
page 275, you see that the ASCII code for BS is 8.  So to make PC's
Backspace key send BS instead of DEL, give this command:

  SET KEY \270 \8

If you use Kermit only to connect to hosts and services that use BS for
destructive backspace, then you can put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI
file, and it will take effect automatically every time you start Kermit.

But some people (like yourself) switch between different hosts and/or
services that expect different characters or sequences for destructive
backspace.  You can, of course, give Kermit the appropriate command
every time you switch from one to another:

  SET KEY \270 \8    ; Backspace sends BS

or:

  SET KEY \270 \127  ; Backspace sends DEL

or you can use the macros that are already defined in MSKERMIT.INI for
this.  In version 3.14, for example, we have macros with names like
VAX and IBM.  The VAX macro sets things up (including the Backspace key)
for communicating with VAXes and VAX-like systems, and that means, among
other things, setting the Backspace key to send DEL.  The IBM macro, on
the other hand, is used for communicating with IBM mainframes in linemode,
where BS is used.

You can use these macros as they are, or you can write your own macros
based upon them and add them to your MSCUSTOM.INI file.  To use a macro,
just type its name at the MS-Kermit> prompt.

Suppose, for example, you normally access two different systems: a BBS
(which uses 8-bit characters, ANSI terminal emulation, and BS) and a UNIX
system (which uses 7-bit characters, VT220 emulation, and DEL), and these
items need to be changed when you switch between the two.  You could write
two macros such as these:

  define bbs set term byte 8, set term type ANSI, set key \270 \8
  define unix set term byte 7, set term type vt220, set key \270 \127

And then each time you want to use the BBS, you just type "bbs" at the
MS-Kermit> prompt, and each time you want to access the UNIX system,
you type "unix".

Of course, you could take this process even further, and turn the BBS and
UNIX macros into complete connection-establishment and login scripts,
following the directions in Chapter 14 of the manual, on script
programming.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Pierre Jean-Laurent <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit
>on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect
>command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow
>(just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works
>fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if
>possible) via e-mail.
>
Please read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit, version
3.13 or later.  There is a big section on this.  You have to make sure
you are telling Kermit to use the right COM port, and that, if it is not
COM1 or COM2, what its address and interrupt are, and that there are no
interrupt conflicts.

- Frank

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[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>In article <3ed2k9$[e-mail]>, Gianluca Attura <[e-mail]> writes:
>> I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new
>> Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities.
>---------------
>    APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK.
>Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as
>new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book:
>the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced
>in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places.
>    Joe D.

Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the
'RESEND' command documented anywhere.  If not, will they be?

Jeff Berntsen
[e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> In article <3ekaf0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>>>
>>> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server
>>> mode.
>
> [snip]
>
>>     It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you
>> hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode.
>>     I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the
>> net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY <network>.
>> If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run
>> DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either.
>> CTTY is less than inadequate.
>>     Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There
>> are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such
>> as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running
>> in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply
>> into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is
>> not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch.
>>     If I'm off base please give us some additional hints.
>>         Joe D.
>
> I'm not going to be of any help here.  In fact, I have a similar question.
> All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem.  Is there
> any way to do this using kermit?  There are people available on both ends,
> so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem.  I
> suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I
> would like to get kermit to do this if it can.
>
> I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory
> and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC).  Is
> there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM
> that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct
> serial link instead of a modem?
-----------------
    It's called SERVER mode, a standard feature of Columbia Kermits
since day one. Rather than go though a long explaination of this may
I recommend reading about it in the user's manual, the "Using MS-DOS
Kermit" book. It is very simple to use: Kermit command SERVER, at the
minimum. Protection features are available too, via ENABLE/DISABLE,
and even a SET SERVER command to add a little more control.
    Joe D.

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I have a few questions.  checked the tiny FAQ with no luck...
SYSTEM:  I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific
                kermit program on SCO Unix.
         I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem.

1)  What are blocks?  As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it
reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3.  Can someone tell me what block
check is?

2)  My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC.
My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting.  What's the deal?

3)  Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable*
results, my transfer quits after 1 error.  Is this because of the long
packet lengths?

Thanks!


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[e-mail] (Jeff Warrick) writes:

>I have a few questions.  checked the tiny FAQ with no luck...
>SYSTEM:  I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific
>                kermit program on SCO Unix.
The provided makefile compiles Kermit source to "wermit", to give a test
version which won't overwrite the production "kermit".  The System Admin
is supposed to rename it to "kermit" when satisfied with it.
>         I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem.
>
>1)  What are blocks?  As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it
>reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3.  Can someone tell me what block
>check is?
>
>2)  My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC.
>My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting.  What's the deal?
Block check is the same as Checksum.
Kermit        Crosstalk
set block 1    checksum single
set block 2    checksum double
set block 3    checksum CRC

If they don't match, you'll get:
>3)  Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable*
>results, my transfer quits after 1 error.  Is this because of the long
>packet lengths?

It could be, but non-matching Checksum parameters will cause it.  I don't
know what parts of the Kermit protocol Crosstalk implements.  When I used
to run Windows on my PC, I used MS-Kermit in a DOS Full-Screen session
as my terminal emulator.  It was very compatible with the C-Kermit on
the Unix boxes, and was free!  (Now running OS/2 so have C-Kermit at both
ends).

You'll have to check your Crosstalk documentation to see what it supports.
--

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
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In article <3eioh1$[e-mail]>,
Jeff Warrick <[e-mail]> wrote:
>1)  What are blocks?  As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it
>reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3.  Can someone tell me what block
>check is?
>
>2)  My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC.
>My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting.  What's the deal?
   `Block' and `packet' are synonyms.  They're interchangable.
The `checksum' setting in your modem software is the same as the
`block check' setting in the Kermit program.  Here's the correspondence:
        single checksum  -> block check 1
        double checksum  -> block check 2
        CRC              -> block check 3
Generally, if you're playing with long packets, you should always
use CRC/block check 3.


>3)  Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable*
>results, my transfer quits after 1 error.  Is this because of the long
>packet lengths?
     If your software supports it (many don't), setting a window size
of 8 or 16 with 1k or 2k packets is typically faster than trying to
use very long packets.  Dunno why your transfer would quit after 1 error.
If you want good Kermit performance, you might consider getting a copy
of MS-Kermit for your PC.
                                - Tim Kientzle


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Hello:

I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance.

I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully
connect and login but cannot download files.  I am trying to download a
file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using
C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode.  The transfer fails after several
retries.  My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none,
flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried
changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control
to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail.  I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC
regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions:
parity, duplex, handshake etc.

What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thank You.

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From: [e-mail] (Justin E. York (ANT))
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Hi,

I know that this is a kermit newsgroup, however I'm hoping that
some of the readers of this group will know where I can find
a commercial (or freebie) zmodem package.

We run a DEC AXP with Open VMS 6.1.  Any tips or information
would be greatly appreciated.

Please e-mail responses to "[e-mail]".

Thanks in advance,
Justin York
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking?
Date: 6 Jan 1995 18:35:19 GMT
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In article <3eioh1$[e-mail]>,
Jeff Warrick <[e-mail]> wrote:
>1)  What are blocks?  As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it
>reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3.  Can someone tell me what block
>check is?
>
>2)  My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC.
>My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting.  What's the deal?

These two items correspond to one another.  Your Crosstalk comm. software
refers to as "checksum" what kermit refers to as "block-check".

   Kermit                Crosstalk
   ------                -----
   set block-check 1     checksum single
   set block-check 2     checksum double
   set block-check 3     checksum CRC

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File Transfer Problem?
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In article <3ejvr6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Getman) writes:
> Hello:
>
> I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance.
>
> I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully
> connect and login but cannot download files.  I am trying to download a
> file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using
> C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode.  The transfer fails after several
> retries.  My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none,
> flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried
> changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control
> to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail.  I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC
> regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions:
> parity, duplex, handshake etc.
>
> What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions?
-------------
    Maybe the above isn't the problem. Could you relate what message
is displayed when MSK gives up, and more importantly what commands you
issued on both ends to accomplish the file transfer (which is where the
problem resides according to my crystal ball). Finally, the Sun end
needs adequate flow control too, or it can/will overrun it's attached
modem.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: 50 rows x 132 cols problem
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer) writes:
> Dear Fellow Kermitalolics,
>
> I use
>
> RUN MODE 80,50
>
> to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows.  then I use set terminal/page=49
> to preserve the 50 status line.
>
> when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows.  then it goes back
> to 80 cols.  it stays 25 rows.  is there a way to force it back to
> 50 rows?
---------------------
    Because that's not a real video mode but rather a combination of
actions: change the fonts to 8x8 yet retain a video mode of 3 (normal
color 0x25) for video sync, change the Bios work area to say 50 lines.
It's a hack. I don't know how your adapter got into such a state and
thus I (MSK) can't return it to that state.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?"
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Monty) writes:
> DISCLAIMER:  I've looked for the answer to the following question in
>              _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included
>              with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13.  I either couldn't find the
>              answer or didn't understand it if I did.
>
> I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0,
> using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem.  Kermit is set for VT220
> terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page
> CP437.  I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may
> assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults.
>
> Alas, the question:  In some online environments, my backspace key behaves
> as one would expect it to.  In others, hitting the backspace key results
> in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?"  appearing on
> the screen.  I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations.  In these
> exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my
> dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other
> terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this
> way.  The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace.
>
> I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit
> configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out.  And I've never
> really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out
> myself.  (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.)  Thanks, in
> advance, for taking the time to help me.
-----------
    SET KEY. Reread the manual on the matter. Define the Backspace
key to send whatever is needed by the remote host. Control-H is Backspace,
BS, decimal 8. DEL, Delete, is decimal 127.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection
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In article <3ekaf0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>
> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server
> mode.  Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console.
> However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have.
> Here's the lowdown:  one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0.
> On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode.  I'm coming in from
> the Linux box.  The connection is being made over a tcpip connection.
> Here's where my problem is.  Since I have set port tcp *, it's not
> really going through any serial port.  Thus, I can't use ctty to
> redirct the output since this only works for serial ports.
>
> Am I missing something?  Is there a way to do this?  Do I need a ctty
> clone or something?  Does such a beast exist?  Am I the only one who's
> ever thought of doing this?  Am I boring you with all of these
> questions?
-------------
    It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you
hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode.
    I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the
net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY <network>.
If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run
DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either.
CTTY is less than inadequate.
    Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There
are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such
as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running
in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply
into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is
not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch.
    If I'm off base please give us some additional hints.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!!
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pierre Jean-Laurent) writes:
> Hi,
>
> I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit
> on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect
> command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow
> (just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works
> fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if
> possible) via e-mail.
---------------
    It's a "talk but not listen" situation, which is described at length
in the release notes. In short, your machine's configuration is in need of
adjustment. Please get the MS*.BWR and MS*.UPD text files from dir kermit/a
on kermit.columbia.edu. Don't let the machine win the war just because it's
won this particular battle.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: new kermit docs
Date: 8 Jan 1995 17:14:00 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey T Berntsen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the
>'RESEND' command documented anywhere.  If not, will they be?
>
Eventually.  Along with 50,000 other things, this is on our list.  Between
designing, writing, and documenting the software, handling untold numbers
of tech-support requests each day, trying to keep this newsgroup going as
a useful and informative forum, RAISING FUNDS (hint hint), and generally
doing our best to keep the ship afloat and on course, a lot of things take
more time than we'd like them to.  There are only a few of us doing all
this work.  Right now we're trying to get the new releases of MS-DOS
Kermit, OS/2 C-Kermit, and IBM Mainframe Kermit finished.  We try to focus
on those items that benefit the most people, and simultaneously promote
the continued health of the Kermit effort itself.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Martin Lichtin)
Subject: Can spawn'ed programs access the open connection?
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How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to
open and prepare the device?  Is there a way to pass the UNIX file
handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this?

Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX.

Martin

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Grabbing text from a remote session
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I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer
and enter in a Support call for processing by our company.
The process of entering the support call generates a sequence
number for that call that needs to be given back to
our client for future reference.  This sequence number just appears
on the screen when the information is being entered.

Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the
screen some how?  I was thinking that I could possibly log the
session to a file and then read it back from that file, but
I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab
it.  Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use
to file away the remotes responses??

Are there any other suggestions on how this could be accomplished?

Thanks,
    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Burns)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT
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Unfortunately I require C-Kermit. Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get
C-Kermit working under NT ? Last I heard someone had reserved the ck? letter
for NT.

From [e-mail] Sun Jan  8 19:16:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Grabbing text from a remote session
Date: 8 Jan 1995 19:16:08 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer
>and enter in a Support call for processing by our company.
>The process of entering the support call generates a sequence
>number for that call that needs to be given back to
>our client for future reference.  This sequence number just appears
>on the screen when the information is being entered.
>
>Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the
>screen some how?  I was thinking that I could possibly log the
>session to a file and then read it back from that file, but
>I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab
>it.  Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use
>to file away the remotes responses??
>
There are numerous approaches, none of them pretty.  You are deeply
into the area we know as "screen scraping".

First of all, LOG SESSION should, indeed, work during script
execution, as well as in CONNECT mode.  So the brute-force approach
is to LOG SESSION and then grovel through the session-log file
afterwards to find the sacred number, either by hand or by program.

Well, if it can be done by program, that means there is some pattern
that allows you to locate the number.  If that is true, then you can
also use INPUT or MINPUT commands in your Kermit script to locate
(say) the thing that comes just before or just after the number, and
then you can pull the number out of the \v(input) buffer by using
string functions such as \findex(), \fsubstring(), etc, in a Kermit
script program.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can spawn'ed programs access the open connection?
Date: 8 Jan 1995 19:23:03 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Martin Lichtin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to
>open and prepare the device?  Is there a way to pass the UNIX file
>handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this?
>Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX.
>
As described in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", page 232, the variable
\v(ttyfd) contains the open file descriptor of the communication channel,
which can be either a serial device or a TCP/IP connection (or, in the
case of SunLink X.25, an X.25 connection).

If your communication application accepts an arbitrary file descriptor,
then you can pass it via this variable.  Otherwise, you can use the
redirection capabilities of certain shells, notably ksh, to redirect the
fd to your communication program's stdin/stdout.

Version 5A(190), the current release of C-Kermit, includes a new REDIRECT
command that starts a given program with its stdin/stdout redirected to
C-Kermit's open communications channel.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <3ekaf0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>>
>> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server
>> mode.

[snip]

>     It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you
> hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode.
>     I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the
> net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY <network>.
> If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run
> DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either.
> CTTY is less than inadequate.
>     Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There
> are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such
> as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running
> in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply
> into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is
> not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch.
>     If I'm off base please give us some additional hints.
>         Joe D.

I'm not going to be of any help here.  In fact, I have a similar question.
All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem.  Is there
any way to do this using kermit?  There are people available on both ends,
so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem.  I
suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I
would like to get kermit to do this if it can.

I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory
and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC).  Is
there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM
that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct
serial link instead of a modem?

Thanks for any replies,

Troy Smith

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From: Chris Milton <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Q: Avatex 2400E modem info
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My library received an Avatex 2400E modem as a gift
with no documentation.

We haven't found an address or phone number
for Avatex.  We need at least some idea what
the dialing codes are for this thing.
Any help would be appreciated.

All the info I have:
uses RJ11C outlet and DB-25 RS-232-C female port
indicator lights Power TR SD RD HS CD OH AA
Communications Canada # 875 3075 A
Ringer Equiv 0.7B  DOC load # 6
Serial Number 1310065
Made in Thailand

---
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Arlington (VA) Central Library  [phone]


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Dear Friends,
Is there anyone who can tell me how to get a Kermit script to exit Kermit
when NO CARRIER.

I have a script that automatically dials selected numbers
and connect with password and everything, but when the connection is
over I have to press ALT-X.

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From: [e-mail] (Magnus Timmerby)
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What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"?
Where can I get information on it?

--
Magnus Timmerby  [e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Magnus Timmerby) writes:
> What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"?
> Where can I get information on it?
>
> --
> Magnus Timmerby  [e-mail]
-----------
    I think you mean long packets, since in Kermit-speak "block"
refers to the kind of checksum. Long packets are a standard part of
the Kermit protocol, have been since goodness knows when (going on
a decade, +/- 5%). It's not a protocol b
t a feature of the Kermit
protocol. For the rules on the matter please see the official reference:
the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, 1987,
ISBN 0-932376-88-6.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 Ready for Testing
Date: 9 Jan 1995 02:57:16 GMT
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 is available for anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, Jan 8, 1995, 9:50pm Eastern USA time:

  kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip  - Binary ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file
  kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file

The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA.

Changes and fixes since Beta-17 include:

 . A macro which is invoked with no arguments now (once again)
   sees its argc value as 1, rather than 10.

 . SET STOP-BITS { 1, 2 } added to accommodate devices that really
   do need 2 stop bits.  Yes, there really is at least one (it's a lathe).

 . SET FOSSIL DISABLE-ON-CLOSE { OFF, ON } allows control of whether
   fossil driver is "deinitialized" by Kermit upon close or exit.  See
   KERMIT.UPD for details.

 . Dialing script added for MegaHertz/Telepath PCMCIA V.32bis data/fax modem.

 . More TCP/IP performance tweaks.

 . A Telnet options negotiation bug that was introduced in Beta-17 is fixed.

 . A problem with the TAKE command finding files when full path not given,
   fixed.

 . Minor bug with TAKE files whose last line is not properly terminated,
   fixed.

Please continue to send reports by e-mail to [e-mail].

- Frank

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Subject: 2 questions
Date: 9 Jan 1995 06:05:57 GMT
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I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns.
  The suns uses
c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think).
1.  Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in
c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc..  Is it possible for me
to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory. How
would I tell c-kermit to use that script.?

2.  It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of
kermit are superior to the normal telnet.  Is it possible to use those
telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit
into Server mode and use its telnet.   Is there any possible benifit
to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on
the Unix system?

Sorry if I have not used the right tech terms

By the way, thankyou for fixing the mail command in mskermit.  I think
that I one of the few people on earth who uses that function.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: 2 questions
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In article <3eqjo6$[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns.
>  The suns uses
>c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think).
>1.  Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in
>c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc..  Is it possible for me
>to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory.
>
Yes, all of the above, as explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit".
The recommended method is to install the standard C-Kermit initialization
file, .kermrc, in your home directory, and then create a .mykermrc
file, also in your home directory, containing the desired customization
commands.  For those who don't like the standard .kermrc file (which
sets up such items as your services directory, dialing directory, etc),
just make a .kermrc file.

>How would I tell c-kermit to use that script.?
>
See above.  You can also tell C-Kermit to use any file at all as its
initialization file, using the -y command-line option:

  kermit -y filename

And at any time C-Kermit is showing its prompt, you can tell it to execute
commands from a file:

  C-Kermit> take filename

And you can define macros and execute them like so:

  C-Kermit> define fast set rec packet-length 2000, set window 4
  C-Kermit> fast

And you can put the macro definitions in your initialization file or
any other file that you can "take".

All of this is explained in the manual.

>2.  It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of
>kermit are superior to the normal telnet.  Is it possible to use those
>telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit
>into Server mode and use its telnet.   Is there any possible benifit
>to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on
>the Unix system?
>
You mean, after dialing up to your Unix system, you want to know why you
might want to use C-Kermit instead of telnet to connect to another system
on the Internet?  The advantages include:

 . Kermit is more user-friendly ("help", "?", command and filename
   completion, etc).

 . The telnet implementation works in some cases where regular
   telnet does not.

 . Kermit has scripting (automation) capability; telnet does not.

 . Kermit has (in the UNIX version, a limited form of) key mapping;
   telnet doesn't.

 . Kermit can convert among many different character sets, telnet can't.

 . Kermit has session logging, telnet doesn't.

 . Kermit can make 8-bit telnet connections; some telnet clients can't.

 . Kermit can transfer files over a telnet connection, telnet can't.

The last point is important in the increasing number of cases where the
telnetted-to host or service does not provide ftp; e.g. Internet BBSs,
or Internet versions of commercial dialup services.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel Azuelos)
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Subject: Mac Kermit .991(190) 8bits ?
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When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type
8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet)
are used to do it on any Mac.

As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the
screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected:
displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9.

Is this possible ? What should I do ? May I do (write, program) it ?

Thanx for any hint.
--
dan                 ``Et pourtant ga tourne....''

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From: [e-mail] (WhoWantsTaKnow)
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Subject: Latest KERMIT for DOS to UNIX transfers
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I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my
DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where
might I find it? Any help is appreciated.


--
Bill Maly
[e-mail]







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Subject: Re: Latest KERMIT for DOS to UNIX transfers
Date: 10 Jan 1995 05:48:20 GMT
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WhoWantsTaKnow ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my
: DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where
: might I find it? Any help is appreciated.


: --
: Bill Maly
: [e-mail]

 ftp to  kermit.columbia.edu
  in directory /kermit/test/bin
    get the file mstibm.zip   This is the latest beta version.  I
also suggest that you get the manual "Using Ms-Dos Kermit" 2nd edition
by Christine M. Gianone   Digital press $34.95 isbn 1-55558-082-3

You may also want the Manual for Unix it is "Kermit: a file transfer
protocol" by Frank da Cruz  $29.95

To order these directly from the publisher dial 1 800 344 4825





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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Mac Kermit .991(190) 8bits ?
Date: 10 Jan 1995 14:00:57 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Daniel Azuelos <[e-mail]> wrote:
>When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type
>8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet)
>are used to do it on any Mac.
>
>As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the
>screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected:
>displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9.
>
You should be able to do it.  Please read the ckmker.bwr
file that accompanies Mac Kermit 0.991(190).  You will see
there are many shortcomings in the international character-set
support, but it still can be done.

You have to tell Kermit (in the Terminal settings) to allow
8-bit characters, and you have to select Latin-1 as the
character-set.

The big problem is with entering 8-bit characters.  Since
Mac Kermit's font is not a regular system font, but rather
a built-in one, you can't use Keycaps in the normal way, which
is frustrating.

Nevertheless, you should be able to enter 8-bit characters in
the normal way, provided you have not done anything to the
Alt (Option?) key in the Modifiers dialog of the Key Settings
menu.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Strange characters
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I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version)
over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect
to my an RS/6000 running AIX.

When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes
complete garbage, i.e.  all the characters that were once
normal, switch to bizarre characters.  I know this is a C-Kermit
caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times
in the past with no ill effects.

What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt,
or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem???

It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx,
and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application
that I ran.

Thanks,
    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Strange characters
Date: 11 Jan 1995 01:15:14 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Erik Hatcher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version)
>over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect
>to my an RS/6000 running AIX.
>
Which version of AIX?

>When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes
>complete garbage, i.e.  all the characters that were once
>normal, switch to bizarre characters.  I know this is a C-Kermit
>caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times
>in the past with no ill effects.
>
First you have to tell us what you are using for a terminal or
terminal emulator.  Then you would need to describe the garbage in
greater detail.  Is it a jumble of line- and box-drawing characters?
Or is it a lot of accented letters?

>What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt,
>or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem???
>
>It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx,
>and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application
>that I ran.
>
First, carefully check your terminal type in AIX.  Be sure it is
not AIXTERM!  If it is, change it to vt-whatever (depending on your
terminal or emulator).

Next, be sure to tell C-Kermit to:

  set terminal bytesize 8
  set command bytesize 8

as described in the manual, for accessing an 8-bit application like Lynx
(or rn, or trn, etc).

Finally, depending on exactly what kind of text you are accessing with
Lynx, and what your terminal or emulator is, be sure to set either C-Kermit
or your terminal (emulator) for the proper character-set translations.

If this is not enough to get things working for you, send me e-mail with
the details and maybe a session log.

- Frank

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Hi,

I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ? I'd like
to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem,
and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer
the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in.

Any help greatly appreciated!

Cheers,

Alastair Davies
University of Bristol
U.K.


[e-mail]

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Subject: Status line is overwritten
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Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines?
I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0.
The TERM environment is set to VT320.
DEC always sends <ESC>[25;1H when I use "more" and the next character
will display over status line.  If the screen is scrolled the first line
will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared
after redraw screen.

Thanks,
Sompop Kumnoonsate
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Is there an FAQ ?
Date: 11 Jan 1995 14:20:34 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
AL. Davies <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ?
>
Yes.  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit,
file FAQ.TXT.

>I'd like
>to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem,
>and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer
>the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in.
>
This is not covered in the FAQ because it is covered in the manual,
"Using MS-DOS Kermit", chapters 10 and 11:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $45 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany
    (1991), 414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for
    the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including
    German-language help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price:
    DM 69,00.  ISBN 3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG,
    Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. [phone],
    Fax. [phone].

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
    & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
    MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
    diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
    Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
    Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Status line is overwritten
Date: 11 Jan 1995 14:43:05 GMT
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In article <3f0ni6$[e-mail]>,
Sompop Kumnoonsate <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines?
>
It is, by default.

>I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0.
>The TERM environment is set to VT320.
>DEC always sends <ESC>[25;1H when I use "more" and the next character
>will display over status line.  If the screen is scrolled the first
>line will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be
>disappeared after redraw screen.
>
The vt320 has 24 regular lines and one status line.  The status line
should not be addressed by regular cursor-positioning commands like
<ESC>[25;1H, but rather by:

 CSI Ps $ }    DECSASD        Select active status display
    Ps = 0 select main display
    Ps = 1 select status line
    Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be
    ignored unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $
    ~. When the status line has been selected cursor remains there
    until the main display is reselected by CSI 0 $ }.

 CSI Ps $ ~    DECSSDT        Select Status Line Type
            Ps    meaning
            0     no status line (empty)
            1    indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default)
            2    host-writable line

Check your vt320 termcap entry.  There are items such as "hs, "ds",
"es", "fs", "ts", and "ws" that are used to handle the status line.

Note that Kermit protects its status line from ordinary screen
operations.  It does not scroll, it does not disappear when the screen
is cleared, etc.  However, Kermit does allow the status line to be
addressed directly by the host via <ESC>[25;xH, because this is commonly
used by host applications like sysline, etc.

Some OTHER applications apparently rely on the fact that if you address
a line (row) number that is greater than the actual number of lines,
that the cursor will go to the last line.  (One program that absolutely
relies on this fact is "resize".)

The problem comes in when we address "last line plus one" -- the purpose
of this direct addressing is ambiguous.  So we have two classes of
applications whose use of <ESC>[25;xH are in direct conflict with each
other.

The solution, in UNIX at least, is to cook up separate termcap/terminfo
entries for the two variations.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3f0ni6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Sompop Kumnoonsate) writes:
> Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines?
    It does.
> I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0.
> The TERM environment is set to VT320.
> DEC always sends <ESC>[25;1H when I use "more" and the next character
> will display over status line.  If the screen is scrolled the first line
> will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared
> after redraw screen.
    That's a mistake in OSF. Kermit has provided access to the status
line, for many many years, by allowing it to be targeted directly via
such a cursor steering command. Real VT300's will put the cursor on line
24 rather than 25 (or whatever the status line is in Kermit, depending
on screen length).
    I suggest having a look at the termcap/terminfo material on
your system and change the item which mistakenly references line 25.
        Joe D.

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I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called.  And does
anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS?

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [e-mail]


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I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc).  Suddenly my backspace
vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters.  Has anyone else had
this problem in Caucus or elsewhere?  Any solutions?

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [e-mail]


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I had a similar problem - whenever I got noise on the line the
terminal would go to a graphics character set.  I circumvented
the problem by setting all the graphic character tables to the
same character set.  For example:
    set term char ascii g0 g1 g2 g3

I don't know if this is the same problem, but you might give it
a shot.  I'm sure Frank could give a more technical explanation.

Russ Forthofer

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Subject: Re: What is name of DOS initialization file?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Michael Pollak  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called.  And does
>anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS?
>
It's called MSKERMIT.INI.  You can download the manual from your local
bookstore:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Bug in Kermit/Caucus interface: no backspace
Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:55:57 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Michael Pollak  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc).  Suddenly my backspace
>vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters.  Has anyone else had
>this problem in Caucus or elsewhere?  Any solutions?
>
Please consult our new FAQ:

  anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file FAQ.TXT.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Spencer Clay)
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Subject: RESET MODEM HELP !!!
Date: 12 Jan 1995 16:57:51 GMT
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Please can anyone help us to reset a modem,
By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit).
We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit,
they are:
AT&F8
AT&f0
AT&w0
ATZ
But we want to be able to send these commands directly
to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line.
Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!!

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From: [e-mail] (Tom Mendenhall)
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Subject: Wyse 60 emulation?
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Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60
terminal?

Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard
scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal
requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for
F1, etc.

Thanks,
tom




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From: [e-mail] (Raul Deluth Miller)
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Spencer Clay:
   AT&F8
   AT&f0
   AT&w0
   ATZ
   But we want to be able to send these commands directly to our modem
   with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line.

How about

kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13

?

[omit the set port if you're on com 1], omit the set speed if it's
already set right.  Include the path to kermit if it's not already in
your path.  call kermit kermit.exe if there's a kermit.bat that
conflicts..  Newer versions of kermit may have a different command
line syntax?]

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I've just spent a frustrating few days trying to get ms-kermit set up on a
PC using FTP Software's PCTCP under Windows for Workgroups 3.11.  There
were several difficulties, but I now think I have a setup that works
(mostly).

I scoured the docs in the latest beta release of ms-kermit in the networks
directory.  I read the bwr file, the help file, etc., but still had
trouble.  Part of the trouble is a "user hostile" environment in my
organization -- We have a site license for FTP Software's PCTCP, and
limited copies of the documentation.  Our network folks are too busy
"solving real problems" to help internal users set up their machines in
any "non-standard" setup.  "Use what we give you -- it works for us." is
implicit, whether we like the setup or not.

First, I'd like to thank J. Doupnik for his good work.  I've been using
MS-Kermit for years to access my UNIX system at work from home.  What a
quality product!


Now, I'd like to correct an error in and expand upon Section 4.1 of the file
"setup.doc" in the networks directory.

---- Begin corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------

(4.1) FTP Software Inc. PC/TCP.

Use the FTP Telnet interface TNGLASS and run Kermit from it.

  tnglass host.domain <optional port> -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe

  (The spaces between "-c" and "0" and "-e" and "kermit.exe" are required.)

This example uses communication port 1 (-c0) so tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1,
and the -i option says to keep the TCP connection alive until the terminal
emulator (Kermit) has started using the Int 14h communications pathway.

The TNGLASS interface causes the "ENTER" key to send <CR><LF> pairs, as
specified in the Telnet protocol specification.  This may cause some
problems in connecting to UNIX machines.  I found that using "stty igncr"
helped, along with "set key \284 \10" to re-map the "ENTER" key to send a
newline.  (Using "set term newline off" and/or "set tcp newline off"
didn't seem to help.)

My configuration: Gateway 2000 P90 machine
          3C5X9 network card? (I'm real fuzzy here.)
          MS-DOS 6.22
          Windows for Workgroups V3.11
          FTP Software's PCTCP software, with \pctcp\3c5x9pd.com
             and \pctcp\vxdinit.exe loaded in autoexec.bat  (I'm
             not sure what version of PCTCP, but TNGLASS reports
             V3.0.)
          My tnglass.pif has "hostname -c 3 -i -e kermit.exe"
             supplied as command-line arguments, and in my
             mscustom.ini, I've specified "Set port BIOS4"

Here's output from "stty -a" on a SunOS 4.1.X Sparcstation 2:

   speed 38400 baud, 24 rows, 80 columns
   parenb -parodd cs7 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal -crtscts
   -ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck istrip -inlcr igncr -icrnl -iuclc
   ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel
   isig -iexten icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop
   echoctl -echoprt echoke
   opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel
   erase  kill   werase rprnt  flush  lnext  susp   intr   quit   stop   eof
   ^H     ^U     ^W     ^R     ^O     ^V     ^Z/^Y  ^?     ^\     ^S/^Q  ^D

I hope this is helpful!

Steve Layten ([e-mail])
---- END    corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------

I now seem to have just one more problem.  When using 'vi' on my UNIX
host, at times I get "beeps" in ms-kermit like it has lost characters. I
see it when 'vi' is "wrapping" a fairly large word (set wm=6, type a word
near the right margin, and 'vi' moves the word to the next line).  I also
seem to see it when I use the '^w' key in input mode to erase a word.  The
word is not completely erased, and the cursor is not in the right place.
I'm not sure what to change to prevent ms-kermit from losing the
characters.  Any insights would be appreciated.

Thanks again especially to J. Doupnik and Frank da Cruz for their support,
and Thanks in advance to any of you that can help.

Steve Layten



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I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits
after 1 error has occurred.  The error is usually a 'Bad Block'  (nothing
important).  I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even
transfer big files because of this.  Here is the 'show' from my kermit:

C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0
Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/tty, speed: 0, mode: remote, modem: direct
 Parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout (used= 7):      7       10        Server Timeout:   0
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      3
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            2
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:        900      900
 Maximum Length:      9024     9024        Window Size:     10 set, 0 used
 Buffer Size:         9065     9065        Locking-Shift:    enabled, not used

File parameters:        Attributes:       on
 Names:   literal       Debugging Log:    none
 Type:    binary        Packet Log:       none  Longest filename: 512
 Collide: rename        Session Log:      none  Longest pathname: 255
 Display: serial        Transaction Log:  none

File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc

The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my
computer and I get great transfer rate.  I'm using a GW2000 computer,
Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem.  The only other settings I can
play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks so much!





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From: [e-mail] (Janice Murphy)
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I have been trying to automate a dialing script with the latest Kermit beta
to connect to a NASI server (Netware Connect on our Novell 3.12
Fileserver) and can do it manually fine but not script wise. Any pointers
from this group. The following is what I would like to happen:

c:\kermit\kermit
...
....   initialize the setup,keys, etc
def modem take sport.scr
set speed 19200
set port novell
out connect dialout \13
modem T555-1212
connect

What happens after the out connect dialout \13 is OK, but when I say
modem T555-1212 I am back at the NASI 1:1> prompt. GO FIGURE :)

Any clues as how to get my script working automatically with Netware
Conenct and NASI.  Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (Spencer Clay)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Raul Deluth Miller) says:

>kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13

THANKS !!!!

This solution worked perfectly

Spencer.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3f2k0a$[e-mail]>,
Jeff Warrick <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits
>after 1 error has occurred.  The error is usually a 'Bad Block'  (nothing
>important).  I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even
>transfer big files because of this.  Here is the 'show' from my kermit:
>
>C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0
>...
>The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my
>computer and I get great transfer rate.  I'm using a GW2000 computer,
>Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem.  The only other settings I can
>play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them.
>
You'll have to ask the Crosstalk people about it.  C-Kermit 5A (current
version is 190) works fine with MS-DOS Kermit and gets terrific transfer
rates.

Try MS-DOS Kermit and see if the same thing happens to you.  If it does,
we'll be glad to help out by looking at packet logs, etc, but Crosstalk is
an unknown quantity to us, and is supported by the Crosstalk people.

MS-DOS Kermit: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory
kermit/bin, file mstibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level
READ.ME to get started.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation?
Date: 13 Jan 1995 14:49:15 GMT
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In article <3f3q36$[e-mail]>,
Tom Mendenhall <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60
>terminal?
>
It emulates a Wyse 50.  To the best of our knowledge, a Wyse 60 is just
a Wyse 50 with some emulations for other terminal types added.

>Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard
>scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal
>requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for
>F1, etc.
>
No, Kermit does not send scan codes, and does not allow the status line
to be used as a regular screen line.

Yes, you can map keys to send anything you want using SET KEY, and you
can use Kermit in most common video modes: 80x25, 80x43, 80x60, etc, but
the bottom line is always special.

When using Kermit to access your UnixWare system, you have a number of
emulations to choose from, but they all work more or less like real
terminals, not like system consoles.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows
was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995.  The Beta testing period
is over; thanks to all of you who participated!

For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce.

- Frank

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[e-mail] <Ken>
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                                                            12.Jan.1995

In article <3f3caf$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Michael Pollak  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called.  And does
> >anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS?
> >
> It's called MSKERMIT.INI.  You can download the manual from your local
> bookstore:
>
>   Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
>   Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
>   1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
>   IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.
>
> - Frank

ROFLMAO!!!  :-)  "You can download the manual from your local bookstore"
:->

Pardon my silliness, but I got a kick out of how you worded it, Frank :-)




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[e-mail] <Ken>
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                     [response e-mailed and posted]

In article <3f3n2f$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Spencer Clay) wrote:
> Please can anyone help us to reset a modem,
> By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit).
> We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit,
> they are:
> AT&F8
> AT&f0
> AT&w0
> ATZ
> But we want to be able to send these commands directly
> to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line.
> Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!!

It depends what communications port your modem uses.  Try the
following - one of which will probably work.

C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM1:
C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM1:
C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM1:
C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM1:

or

C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM2:
C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM2:
C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM2:
C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM2:


Most modems are set up at COM1: or COM2:.

From what I can gather with these commands, from this point onward, you
should be able to use your modem with programs like Kermit without
any further tinkering.

[but I don't remember my AT command set tonight, so I could be wrong -
I know AT&W generally writes the current settings of the modem
"permanently" in its NVRAM (non-volitile RAM - that means that it
doesn't disappear when you shut the modem off)

Hope this helps.  Perhaps others will give better suggestions.


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From: [e-mail] (Sven Andreassen)
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Hi all.

Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups
and TCP/IP 32?

In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a
Packet driver.  That works fine.  However some users need Windows for
Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work.

Could anyone please lead a novice to better understandig of Kermit??

Hope to hear from you.

[e-mail]
[Sven Andreassen]

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[e-mail] <Ken>
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                                                            14.Jan.1995

In article <3f6k83$[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>
> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows
> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995.  The Beta testing period
> is over; thanks to all of you who participated!
>
> For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce.
>
> - Frank

Wonderful!  :-)

I saved the announcement - when I get my first paycheck at this new job
next week, I'll be putting in my order for the manual.

[I know it's silly, but I waited to order the manual until version 3.14,
as I wanted an "official" 3.14 on diskette --- even though I'll be
downloading 3.14 from the ftp site now!]

Thanks for the great product, Frank and Joe and all folks who contributed
towards the Kermit effort!  This Kermit-fan isn't disappointed in
the least!

Ken
[e-mail]

P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit
under?  What directory is it available in - /kermit/a?

Ken


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From: [e-mail] (Bert DeSimone)
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Gotta figure this has come up before.  We are evaluating a terminal server
that supports tn3270.  No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal
server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe.  However, file
transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail.
Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe
through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer.  (BTW: I don't
have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit
using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way).

I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode
sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing the
problem.

Soooo, if anybody using tn3270 has successfully transferred files from
an IBM mainframe using Kermit, I would appreciate any information.

Thanks in advance ...

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How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line
speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kenneth Udut) writes:
> [e-mail] <Ken>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>                                                             14.Jan.1995
>
> In article <3f6k83$[e-mail]>,
> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>>
>> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows
>> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995.  The Beta testing period
>> is over; thanks to all of you who participated!
    <omissions>
> P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit
> under?  What directory is it available in - /kermit/a?
-----
    The makefile explains:
    MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C
modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ?
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
>28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
>is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line
>speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?


You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Shair)
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[e-mail] (Jim Nakamura) writes:

>How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
>28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
>is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line
>speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?

Get a newer version of C-Kermit, which will support
set speed 115200

You are using a 16550x UART, aren't you?
--

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[e-mail] <Ken>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                            15.Jan.1995

> >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows
> >> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995.  The Beta testing period
> >> is over; thanks to all of you who participated!
>     <omissions>
> > P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit
> > under?  What directory is it available in - /kermit/a?
> -----
>     The makefile explains:
>     MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C
> modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
>     Joe D.

Thanks Joe!

I'm in the process of learning C [after being a longtime BASIC and Pascal
person], and want to "play".  There's another IBM-PC environment that I
want to port Kermit to, but my knowledge of C and ASM (and of
the pertinant software developer's kit) is *very* limited at the
moment to simple things - so I'm months from being ready to talk
to Frank about it.

Ken

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Subject: Disable internal commands?
Reply-to: [e-mail]
Date:     Mon, 16 Jan 1995

Dear Kermit Users,

Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands
like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal
emulation)? I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like
'disable ...' would be nicer (?). Also the normal escape character ^]
is on our wishlist for disabling.
The reason:
We want to use MS-kermit 3.13 for making an automated script-directed
TCP/IP connection to a HP9000/720 unix host, login, run a program on
the host (only screen-info as output), logout, and return to DOS after
quitting the unix-application. During the session the user may not be
able to return to the KERMIT> prompt (Alt-X, or ^]C), may not access
the escape-menu (^].... for sending breaks, toggle capturing, etc.,
etc.). However, all other ctrl- and alt-keys, and cursor controls
must remain intact.

The script is running fine and everything that we want is working
O.K. (we love Kermit's scripting facilities!!). The only wish now is
to secure the procedure for the users to prevent unwanted effects
caused by accidentally used keys.

Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in
a script-file in the output command? We have a DOS-variable 'GROUP'
which content we want to pass to the unix-host. I think we must use
someting like "$GROUP". Is this correct?

Thank you for your help!
Sincerely,





Pim Clotscher
Erasmus University Rotterdam - NL
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

| In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
| >
| >How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
| >28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
| >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line
| >speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?


| You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit.


    I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head.
    Could you give me an "idiot proof" response?  (-;


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32
Date: 16 Jan 1995 15:59:31 GMT
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In article <3f8i67$[e-mail]>,
Sven Andreassen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups
>and TCP/IP 32?
>
Yes.

>In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a
>Packet driver.  That works fine.  However some users need Windows for
>Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work.
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive
discussion of this problem.

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary
mode, file msvibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level READ.ME
to get started.  Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC
for the information you are asking for.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit File Transfer and tn3270
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bert DeSimone <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Gotta figure this has come up before.  We are evaluating a terminal server
>that supports tn3270.  No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal
>server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe.  However, file
>transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail.
>Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe
>through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer.  (BTW: I don't
>have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit
>using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way).
>
>I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode
>sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing
>the problem.
>
One of the major strengths of the Kermit protocol is its ability to
transfer files with IBM mainframes over a wide variety of connection
types, and there is an excellent Kermit software program for the IBM
mainframe, which is available for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO (and ROSCOE), CICS, and
MUSIC.  The current version is 4.3.0, with version 4.3.1 in beta test.

All of the Kermit books and manuals ("Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol",
"Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", and the IBM mainframe Kermit
online manuals) describe the process(es) in some detail.  Here is a brief
summary.

Half-duplex (local-echo), line-at-a-time connections are generally handled
by the "ibm" macro that is built in to MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, which
performs the following protocol-related settings:

  set local-echo on
  set parity mark
  set flow none
  set handshake xon

Full-screen sessions go through a 3270 terminal emulator.  This can reside
anywhere between the client software (such as MS-DOS Kermit) and the
mainframe.  For the past 10 or 20 years, the most common place to find the
3270 emulator was on a special purpose "protocol converter": a box that
has serial lines on one side and a connection to the mainframe on the
other.  This box generally works by tricking the mainframe into thinking
it is a "control unit" with multiple 3270 terminals attached, and at the
same time tricking the terminals into thinking they are communicating with
a "normal" ASCII character-at-a-time host.  The box converts between 3270
data streams and ASCII terminal (e.g. VT100) conventions.  This includes
ASCII/EBCDIC character-set conversion, cursor positioning and screen
painting, and keystroke interpretation.

As you can imagine, all of these conversions would normally have a
disastrous effect on Kermit protocol packets, and also upon any other type
of data that has to be transmitted "as is", without conversion, such as
graphics terminal directives.  Thus, many protocol converters support a
"transparent mode", that allows the mainframe host to command them to turn
off their conversion functions, and at a later time, turn them back on.

When everything works as planned, the only Kermit commands required for
going through the protocol converter are:

  set flow xon/xoff ; (usually)
  set parity even   ; (or other)

Everything else corresponds to the normal Kermit defaults (remote echo,
no "handshake", etc).

Unfortunately, the method for entering and leaving transparent mode
differs from one 3270 emulation product to another.  Ideally, there are
two components: (1) the identification phase, in which the mainframe
software issues a special instruction that causes the protcol converter to
respond in a unique (but harmless) way; and (2) the actual enter- and
exit-transparent-mode directives.

IBM Mainframe Kermit needs to know which kind of transparency, if any, is
used by the protocol converter so it can be put into transparent mode at
the beginning of packet protocol and taken out of it upon return to
interactive command mode.  There are several ways that mainframe Kermit
can go about this.  First, you can use the SET CONTROLLER command to tell
it which style of transparency is used by the protocol converter.  Second,
mainframe Kermit can be set up by the system administrator to always use a
particular style.  Third, it can attempt to "autodiscover" the controller
type by issuing various types of identification queries and checking the
results.  The third method is not very reliable, however, since many types
of protocol converters fail to respond to these queries even when they do
implement a particular style of transparency.

Nowadays, special-purpose protocol converters are giving way to general
purpose terminal and compute servers that include a "tn3270" function.
tn3270 is a special kind of TELNET program that also performs 3270
emulation, and requires that the mainframe be on TCP/IP network and have
a TN3270 server.  Here are two examples:

 1. UNIX tn3270.  Most UNIX systems come with a tn3270 program that lets
    you make a full-screen connection to an IBM mainframe.  Once you have
    made the connection, you should be able to start Kermit on the
    mainframe, give it a SEND, RECEIVE, or SERVER command, escape back to
    your terminal emulator (e.g. MS-DOS Kermit), and transfer files
    without any special settings.  If you have trouble with this, then:

     . Ask mainframe Kermit to "show controller".  If it doesn't say
       Series/1, then tell it to "set controller series1".

     . Try using shorter packets.  The maximum length that can pass
       through the protocol converter might be less than what you are
       trying to use.  A typical maximum value might be 1700.

     . Tell one or both Kermit programs to "set parity space".

 2. Cisco terminal server tn3270.  Current releases of Cisco terminal
    server software include a tn3270 feature that is supposed to permit
    Kermit transfers, but it has bugs.  Sometimes these bugs can be worked
    around by using the methods listed in (1) above and specifying VERY
    short packets, like 30 or 40 bytes.  Sometimes they can't be worked
    around at all.  A future release of Cisco software (probably 10.3)
    will include new tn3270 software that implements Series/1-style
    transparency correctly, and allows Kermit transfers of both text and
    binary files in both directions using packet lengths up to about 1900
    (or whatever the total screen size is).

If you try all of these workarounds with your terminal server and still
get failed transfers, make packet logs and/or debug logs in both Kermit
programs to find out what the terminal server is delivering to each Kermit
program, and report the misbehavior to your terminal server vendor.

For further information about specific protocol converters and how to
configure IBM Mainframe Kermit for them, please read the ik0aaa.hlp file
that comes with IBM Mainframe Kermit.

Finally, it is possible to transfer files through a 3270 fullscreen
connection even when 3270 emulator can't be put into transparent mode at
all.  You can read about this in the C-Kermit update notes file
(ckcker.upd) and the MS-DOS Kermit update notes files (KERMIT.UPD).
Quoting from the latter:

"Doomsday Kermit" (DDK) techniques allow file transfer with IBM mainframes
through 3270 protocol converters that do NOT support transparent mode, to be
used in conjunction with IBM Mainframe Kermit's SET CONTROLLER FULLSCREEN
command on VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, or CICS.  MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later and IBM
Mainframe Kermit 4.2.3 or later required.  Commands:

  SET PARITY EVEN     ; Or whatever
  SET FLOW XON/XOFF     ; Or whatever
  SET SEND START 62     ; Greater-than sign
  SET RECEIVE START 62     ; Ditto
  SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2 ; New block-check type
  SET HANDSHAKE NONE

BLANK-FREE-2 is a new block-check type, exactly like type 2, except encoded
to never contains blanks.  Give IBM Mainframe Kermit the following commands:

  SET CONTROLLER FULL
  SET SEND START 62
  SET RECEIVE START 62
  SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2
  SET HANDSHAKE 0

Doomsday Kermit file transfers are not as reliable as regular Kermit protocol
transfers, and they are much slower.  Use this method only as a last resort;
that is, only when you can't get a transparent-mode fullscreen connection or
a linemode connection to the mainframe.

(end quote)

And beyond finally: in the future, we expect to add 3270 emulation to the
Kermit software itself, so you will be able to make tn3270 connections
directly from Kermit to the mainframe without having to go through a
"black box" for the conversion.  Of course, Kermit software will handle
transparency correctly (and automatically).  (And no, I can't estimate
when built-in 3270 emulation will be available.)

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Disable internal commands?
Date: 16 Jan 1995 16:51:16 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
P. CLOTSCHER @ COH <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands
>like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal
>emulation)?
>
Yes: SET KEY <scan-code> \Kignore

>I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like
>'disable ...' would be nicer.
>
Presently, there is no such command.

>Also the normal escape character ^] is on our wishlist for disabling.
>
You can change the escape character to any other (7-bit) control character,
but there is no way to disable it entirely.

>Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in
>a script-file in the output command?
>
Yes, as explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit":

 \$(name)

where "name" is the name of the desired environment variable, e.g.

  \$(GROUP)

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ?
Date: 16 Jan 1995 17:19:57 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>| In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>| >
>| >How does one communicate at 28.8 ?  I just bought a US Robotics
>| >28.8 Sportster.  I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there
>| >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes".  My line
>| >speed is set for 38400, the highest available.  What else need I do?
>
>
>| You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit.
>
>
>    I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head.
>    Could you give me an "idiot proof" response?  (-;

Sorry I was short on time when I replied.  For answers to questions such
as these you should refer to both your modem manual and the appropriate
Kermit book, in this case "Using C-Kermit" as it will contain the answers
you need and quite a bit of background info.

When you set the speed with which you are communicating to your modem,
you are only specifying the interface speed.  Not the speed at which your
modem will connect to the remote modem.  When a connection is made the
modem reports back the actual connect speed.  And depending on how it is
configured it will change the interface speed between the computer and modem
to match.

This is SPEED-MATCHING.  Now both C-Kermit and the modem must be told to
do the same thing.  Either they both speed-match or they both don't.  But
if they do not agree, once a connection occurs you will get garbage.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Jong-Min Park)
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Subject: xyz-modem through tcp-ip
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Hello,

I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer
on tcp-ip. Here is my setup:
    kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host
    use sz/rz to send/receive files

The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem
transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip.

When using x/y/z-modem transfer, errors such as CHKSUM/packet size/
bad header occurs. I assume x/y/z-modem was mainly created for
modem transfer, so may have problems sending using tcp-ip packets.

Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise,
what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be
greatly appreciated.

Please reply to [e-mail] if possible. Thank you.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jan 16 19:41:54 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip
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In article <3feaq7$[e-mail]>,
Jong-Min Park <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer
>on tcp-ip. Here is my setup:
>    kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host
>    use sz/rz to send/receive files
>
>The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem
>transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip.
>
You have observed that Kermit works, but it is slow, whereas x/y/z-modem
do not work.  You conclude that if x/y/z-modem could be somehow taught
to work, they would be fast, while Kermit would remain slow.

Kermit can be as fast as or faster than any of the other protocols when
tuned for speed.  This is explained at length in the appropriate manuals
("Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", etc), and in our new FAQ, which
you can find at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT

Kermit's defaults are deliberately conservative to maximize the chance
that it will work on any given connection, even if it works slowly, as you
have seen.

The defaults of X/Y/Z-modem, on the other hand, are set for speed at the
expense of robustness, as you have also seen.

I'd recommend you spend a couple minutes reading up on how to make Kermit
transfers go fast.

- Frank

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Sorry that I may have been a little unclear. Here is more info:

I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer
on tcp-ip. Here is my setup:

    kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet
    use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files

The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem
transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And
since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the
remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer.

When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs.

I've succeeded in transferring ascii files between local machines just
to test it: 'sz -a -L 80 filename' and 'rz -a'. If I omit -L, 'subpacket
too long' error occurs. Although 'bad CRC' still occurs, it is only
intermittent. Now binary transfer completely fails (bad CRC), but again
'subpacket long' disappears with -L option.

I think there are two problems: 8-bit control code is being translated
where it shouldn't be. And assembling of subpackets may be causing
problems with tcp-ip packet size limit.

I'm not too familiar with subpacket assembling or zmodem packets, nor
telnet negotiation.

Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise,
what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be
greatly appreciated.

Please reply to [e-mail] if possible. Thank you.

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From [e-mail] Mon Jan 16 19:28:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Bill Reynolds)
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This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for
automatically setting the terminal parameters.  After typing resize,
one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can
be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while
logged in via kermit):

$ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo
<Ctrl-D>
<Ctrl-D>
$ cat -v foo
^[[231;80R

This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from
watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995.
--
Bill Reynolds [e-mail]
_____________________________________________________________________________
"Our Yosemite turkeys live in the shade of beautiful oak trees"
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 reports 231 rows when queried
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bill Reynolds <[e-mail]> wrote:
>This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for
>automatically setting the terminal parameters.  After typing resize,
>one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can
>be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while
>logged in via kermit):
>
>$ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo
><Ctrl-D>
><Ctrl-D>
>$ cat -v foo
>^[[231;80R
>
>This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from
>watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995.
>
You're right.  It's a bug.

We'll have to develop and issue a patch for it asap.

Thanks for pointing it out.

- Frank

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Thank you so much for all the feedback. I didn't have time to say thank
you to all who replied.

I have mustered enough hints and info to try out several configs and I
finally got some speed (500 to 1000 cps vs. original 49 or zero cps).
Sorry if this was an FAQ, but just so that someone could benefit from
this info, I'm posting my result.

Here is what I found when using kermit or zmodem transfer through
tcp-ip from my host to a remote site:

  In kermit, increasing the receiving packet size can speed up the
    transfer. But if the receiving end cannot be tweaked by the user,
    you are still out of luck (it still works, in contrast to zmodem).

  In zmodem, using a smaller packet size (about 100 bytes for me) and
    escaping control characters from the sending host will avoid
    'subpacket too long' error and 'CRC' error, respectively. Again,
    if you cannot change the configuration from the sending host,
    it just doesn't work.

In conclusion, I now do downloads through kermit transfer and uploads
through zmodem transfer, since the remote host doesn't allow changing
of configurations for both sending and receiving.

One strange thing I've noticed when using zmodem was that packet size
less than about 128 went okay, but anything above it somehow hangs at
the last 1024 bytes remaining (actually I can see that all data actually
were sent, but the remaining size to transfer suddenly rises from 0
to 1024, and then nothing happens).

Here is what I wrote:
> I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer
> on tcp-ip. Here is my setup:

>     kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet
>     use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files

> The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem
> transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And
> since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the
> remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer.

> When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs.

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From: [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo)
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I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about
what others have found is the best method of doing this.

I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a
Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also
connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way
to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client
shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to
encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server
break the TCP/IP packets out?

-Fozz

--
"This may seem a bit weird, but that's okay, because it is weird."
    -- The Perl v5.0 manual page.

Doran Barton / Fozziliny Moo ([e-mail] or http://xmission.com/~fozz/ )

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I am also interested in using Kermit's telnet ablilty, but have NO CLUE how.

I'm running SunOS.  I've tried the man pages but without success.

Can anybody help?


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In article <3fgtqe$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo) writes:
> I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about
> what others have found is the best method of doing this.
>
> I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a
> Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also
> connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way
> to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client
> shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to
> encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server
> break the TCP/IP packets out?
--------------
    You don't have to do anything fancy at all. MS-DOS Kermit is
designed to run straight over ODI, as I thought you knew. The only time
shims (ODIPKT + WINPKT) are needed is when MSK runs in a Windows DOS box.
All NW 3 and 4 servers are shipped ready to route TCP/IP traffic at no
extra cost (just load the supplied TCPIP.NLM). Please see the docs in the
MSK 3.14 quick-start archive file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip on kermit.columbia.edu.
    Just as a historical reminder: MS-DOS Kermit was the first non-Novell
TCP/IP program to run over ODI native mode, and I made publically viewable my
code to accomplish that task. Today a number of vendors offer native ODI
capability, and that's a good thing. That's not a claim on those vendors, but
rather a longer term view of how these programs fit together.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Sulaiman Paperwalla)
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Subject: Kermit 3.14 - Binary transfer
Date: 17 Jan 1995 23:11:00 GMT
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I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via
Kermit using TCP/IP.  Text files upload without failure
but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES'

Packed length are set to 94 at both ends.
I've tried other lengths, but no success.

Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like?

This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help.

thanks.

[e-mail]

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Sulaiman Paperwalla ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via
: Kermit using TCP/IP.  Text files upload without failure
: but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES'

: Packed length are set to 94 at both ends.
: I've tried other lengths, but no success.

: Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like?

: This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help.

: thanks.

: [e-mail]


Never mind.... I was using 3.14 beta 17.  It works fine with the
new release.

Sorry for this post.

Sul.

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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation?
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Tom Mendenhall ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60
: terminal?

: Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard
: scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal
: requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for
: F1, etc.

I'd be interested in such a use also, but can only see WYSE50 in beta 17
of MS-Kermit 3.14. Joe Doupnik runs Unixware, so he may have some more
information about this.

--
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              [e-mail], [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!!
Date: 18 Jan 1995 15:43:12 +1030
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Spencer Clay ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Please can anyone help us to reset a modem,
: By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit).
: We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit,
: they are:
: AT&F8
: AT&f0
: AT&w0
: ATZ
: But we want to be able to send these commands directly
: to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line.
: Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!!

I use the command:

kermit take atz.tak

MSKERMIT.INI:

set flow rts/cts
set block 3
set window 3
set send pack 4000
set receive pack 4000
set port 2
take vt300.ini
set term wrap on

ATZ.TAK:

set port 2
def \%a 0
:try
increment \%a
if > \%a 10 goto end
echo modem initialisation attempt \%a\13\10
output ATZ\13
input 4 OK
if success goto end
if > \%a 2 log session c:\ff\call.log
write session \v(date) \v(time) ATZ \%a FAILED\13\10
goto try
:end
quit

This is for "fixing" stubborn modems.

Does anyone do this kind of thing for modems on Unix machines?
--
Arthur Marsh, telephone [phone], fax [phone]
              [e-mail], [e-mail]
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From [e-mail] Wed Jan 18 16:47:19 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Watson, John McClain          )
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Subject: Desperate Help Needed!
Date: 18 Jan 1995 16:47:19 GMT
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    Hello everyone.  I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just too
darn slow.  I have been told that I can use a program called sz.exe and use
zmodem from my vms account.  I have gotten this program but as have yet
been unable to get it to work.  Does anyone know of any instructions that I
can use with this particular program or prehaps a differrent utility that I
can use to make my dl's a little bit faster and more productive.
    I have a 14.4 now but will soon be recieving a PPI 28.8 v.34 in the
mail (they are back-ordered now).  IS there anything that I can do that
will enable me to take full advantage of this increased speed?  BTW, I dial
in to a VAX and we do have a 28.8 modem pool.

Thanks a million!

McClain Watson
[e-mail]
Appalachian State University
Boone, N.C. 28608


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From: [e-mail] (Rainer Kraeutle)
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Subject: modem-modem connection
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Hi to All

I would like to know if there is any possibility to
connect two modems via phone line using kermit
protocoll.
I have no problems to connect to a unix host
but how can i manage file transfer to another pc

thanks in advance

--
Rainer Kraeutle,0761/203-(3056/3064) <[e-mail]>


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From: [e-mail] (Andres Aravena)
Subject: problems in Solaris 2.3
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Hi

We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After
choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get
'Operation would block' at any read or write.

Did someone have success with it?
thank you

--
Andres Aravena D.                 home:   [e-mail]
                                  Univ:      [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Sulaiman Paperwalla)
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Subject: Possible Problem in 3.14
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Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling
when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320).

Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17.

Has any one else encounter this?

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In article <3fk7k2$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Sulaiman Paperwalla) writes:
> Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling
> when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320).
>
> Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17.
>
> Has any one else encounter this?
------------
    We don't have enough information from you to begin an analysis,
but I can say that MSK 3.14 works fine to my UnixWare machine. Please
check the kind of terminal the host thinks it is talking to.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Larry Powell)
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Subject: tcpip machine name
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  Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there
is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN <domain-name>   but I thought this
was not for the full name. Essentially is it possible to set the full
name to match the <Ip-address> set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS <Ip-address>?
  Or is this done somewhere else (like in the nameserver(s)? (Outside
of kermit's control)
  Thanks,

--
--Larry Powell   [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (David Finton)
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Subject: "Can't read character: I/O error"
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I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation.  It seems to work okay,
but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the
message

Can't read character: I/O error
                               Communications disconnect (Back at localhost)
C-Kermit>

What is the cause of this error?  Do I have some parameters set
wrong?  I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this
because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long
as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and
am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am).

What's wrong?  In case it's helpful, I'll include my settings below.
Thanks!

--David Finton

------------------------


(Back at localhost)
C-Kermit>show

C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, NeXT
Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 38400, mode: local, modem: hayes
 Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none
 Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa
 Escape character: 29 (^])

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout (used= 7):      7       10        Server Timeout:   0
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      1
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            5
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:         90       90
 Maximum Length:      9024     9024        Window Size:      1 set, 0 used
 Buffer Size:         9065     9065        Locking-Shift:    enabled, not used

File parameters:        Attributes:       on
 Names:   converted     Debugging Log:    none
 Type:    text          Packet Log:       none  Longest filename: 255
 Collide: backup        Session Log:      none  Longest pathname: 1024
 Display: serial        Transaction Log:  none
 File Character-Set: NeXT Multinational (8-bit)
 Transfer Character-Set: Transparent
File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc
C-Kermit>


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: modem-modem connection
Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:12:13 GMT
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In article <3fj71g$[e-mail]>,
Rainer Kraeutle <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I would like to know if there is any possibility to
>connect two modems via phone line using kermit
>protocoll.
>
This is the subject of Chapter 11 of the manual, "Using
MS-DOS Kermit" (also available in German).  Very briefly:
One PC must make the call, the other must receive it.
The receiving PC's modem must be placed into "answer mode".
A Kermit program should be started on the receiving PC and
placed in server mode.

For additional details, please read chapters 10 and 11 of
the manual.

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3.
  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and
  compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a
  US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle
    Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991),
    414 pages.  Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC,
    PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language
    help files.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 69,00.  ISBN
    3-88229-006-4.  Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7,
    D-30625 Hannover.  Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

  And a French-language edition:

    Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie.,
    Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit
    for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette.  Adaption
    francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.  Heinz Schiefer & Cie.,
    45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.  Tel. [phone],
    Fax. [phone].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Possible Problem in 3.14
Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:15:13 GMT
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In article <3fk7k2$[e-mail]>,
Sulaiman Paperwalla <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling
>when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320).
>
>Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17.
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (not Beta), released 12 January 1995 had a bug
in this area.  It was replaced yesterday, 18 January 1995, by a
version that contained a minor change to fix this bug.  I'll post
a more detailed announcement shortly.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: problems in Solaris 2.3
Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:20:15 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Andres Aravena <[e-mail]> wrote:
>We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After
>choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get
>'Operation would block' at any read or write.
>
Just follow the instructions.  There are specific makefile
entries for each machine / operating system / OS version
combination.  Just pick out the most appropriate of the
entries whose names start with "solaris":

  solaris2x    - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler
  solaris2xg   - Solaris 2.x, GNU cc
  solaris2x25  - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler and SunLink X.25

For additional details, read the instructions at the top of the
makefile, and in the file ckuins.doc (C-Kermit installation
instructions).

If you can't succeed in compiling the program, you can ftp a
precompiled Solaris 2.3 binary from kermit.columbia.edu.

- Frank

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Rainer Kraeutle ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I would like to know if there is any possibility to
: connect two modems via phone line using kermit
: protocoll.

There should be no problem so long as you can tell the called modem to
answer, either automatically or manually.  The manual command is probably
ATA.

(If someone has actually done this, please jump in!)

--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error"
Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:36:12 GMT
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In article <3fkupt$[e-mail]>,
David Finton <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation.  It seems to work okay,
>but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the
>message
>
>Can't read character: I/O error
>                     Communications disconnect (Back at localhost)
>C-Kermit>
>
>What is the cause of this error?  Do I have some parameters set
>wrong?  I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this
>because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long
>as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and
>am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am).
>
The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190), but that will not
necessarily affect this problem.  However, the release notes for
version 5A(190) contain more information and are organized better
than in previous releases.  In particular, the ckuker.bwr file
(C-Kermit, Unix version "beware" file) contains sections for each
platform.  Here are the pertinent excerpts from the section on the
NeXT:

(3.4) C-KERMIT AND NEXTSTEP

The SET CARRIER command has no effect on the NeXT -- this is a
limitation of the tty device drivers.

Hardware flow control on the NeXT is selected not by "set flow
rts/cts" in Kermit (since NeXTSTEP offers no API for this), but
rather, by using a specially-named driver for the serial device:
/dev/cufa instead /dev/cua; /dev/cufb instead of /dev/cub.  This is
available only on 68040-based NeXT models (the situation for Intel
NeXTSTEP implementations is unknown).

NeXT-built 68030 and 68040 models have different kinds of serial
interfaces; the 68030 has a Macintosh-like RS-422 interface, which
lacks RTS and CTS signals; the 68040 has an RS-423 (RS-232
compatible) interface, which supports the commonly-used modem
signals.  WARNING: the connectors look exactly the same, but the
pins are used in completely DIFFERENT ways -- different cables are
required for the two kinds of interfaces.

  IF YOU GET LOTS OF RETRANSMISSIONS during file transfer, even when
  using a /dev/cuf* device and the modem is correctly configured for
  RTS/CTS flow control, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE WRONG KIND OF CABLE.

Does this help?

By the way, until it died recently, I had a NeXTstation on my desk,
so I can personally veryify that Kermit works fine on it with the
right kind of cable.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: tcpip machine name
Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:48:28 GMT
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In article <3fl9pa$[e-mail]>,
Larry Powell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there
>is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN <domain-name> but I thought this
>was not for the full name.  Essentially is it possible to set the full
>name to match the <Ip-address> set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS <Ip-address>?
>
Yes.  You can use SET TCP/IP DOMAIN to set your PC's full name.
But the value of this setting is known only to Kermit itself, and it
is used for only one purpose: to turn "nicknames" into fully qualified
domain names (FQDN).  For example, if your network is called foo.bar.baz
and your PC is called oofa, then its FQDN is oofa.foo.bar.baz.

If you say "set port tcp blah", Kermit sends a query to your name server
for "blah".  If it doesn't get a satisfactory response, then it uses
your SET TCP DOMAIN value to try to make an FQDN.  Normally you would
have your TCP DOMAIN set to your network name rather than your PC's FQDN,
so Kermit would try:

  blah                  (no match)
  blah.foo.bar.baz      (works)

If you set your TCP DOMAIN to your PC's own FQDN, then Kermit tries:

  blah                  (no match)
  blah.oofa.foo.bar.baz (no match)
  blah.foo.bar.baz      (works)

Both ways work, but the second way takes a bit longer.

The best way to set your TCP/IP parameters is from an organizational
BOOTP server.  Then the only command that you (or anybody else) needs
for Kermit TCP/IP setup is SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP.  The advantages of
this approach are so overwhelming that every site should read about
them and set up a centralized bootp database.  Maybe your site has one
already and you only need to be registered in it.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and later support BOOTP at RFC 1395, which allows
the domain name to be downloaded to the PC from the BOOTP database.
The original BOOTP specification (and BOOTP servers and databases based
on it) did not include the domain name.

- Frank

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Subject: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:06:12
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I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP
sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect
the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R -
reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N -
connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the
user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but
this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is
there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in
my OUTPUT command.


Thanks for yer help!


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From: [e-mail] (Bob Shair)
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Subject: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone?
Date: 19 Jan 1995 15:13:51 GMT
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Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a
dial-up line?  I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as
described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access
from a laptop.

There's a security issue here, too.
--

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         [e-mail]
Champaign, IL 61821           217/356-2684

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Bug Fix and Replacement
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MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, as announced on January 12th, had a pair of bugs
that required a quick replacement.  Very briefly, the bugs were:

 1. Incorrect response to the cursor position report request escape
    sequence, such as the one issued by UNIX `eval resize`, or by
    the login procedure of VMS 6.x, or by recent releases of Pine,
    to determine the size of your physical screen.

 2. Memory corruption if the cursor was positioned off the physical
    screen.

Unfortunately, (2) was very likely to happen because of (1).  For
example, Pine might send the escape sequence from (1), Kermit might
mistakenly report that its screen had 231 lines, and then Pine would
try to write text to bottom of the screen, causing the memory corruption.
The memory corruption manifested itself in various ways: switching to
Tektronix mode, the disappearance of macro definitions, and/or the
inability to EXIT from Kermit.

These bugs are now fixed, thanks to the quick action of Joe Doupnik, and
a new replacement ZIP file is now available.  The Kermit program still
identifies itself as version 3.14, but the date is January 18, 1995,
rather than January 12, 1995.

The corrected version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from
kermit.columbia.edu as follows:

 DIRECTORY                    MODE     DESCRIPTION

  kermit/archives/msvibm.zip   binary   Distribution diskette ZIP file
  kermit/a/msvibmzip.boo       text     Ditto, BOO-encoded
  kermit/a/msvibmzip.uue       text     Ditto, uuencoded

The text-encoded ZIP files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV@CUVMA
as MSVIBMZI.BOO and MSVIBMZI.UUE.

Please replace the January 12th version with the January 18th one.
Apologies for the inconvenience.  All further corrections will be issued
in the form of patches.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone?
Date: 19 Jan 1995 19:16:52 GMT
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In article <3flvjf$[e-mail]>, Bob Shair <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a
>dial-up line?  I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as
>described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access
>from a laptop.
>

Yes.  set port to  your modem and place it in auto answer mode.
Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13.  Then just start the server.
it will wait for a connection.

>There's a security issue here, too.

There is no remote login capabilities at present.  However, you can limit
the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what
remote commands are enabled.  So the security breach is not too great.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone?
Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:58:04 GMT
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In article <3flvjf$[e-mail]>, Bob Shair <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a
>dial-up line?  I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as
>described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access
>from a laptop.

Yes.  set port to  your modem and place it in auto answer mode.
Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13.  Then just start the server.
it will wait for a connection.

>There's a security issue here, too.

There is no remote login capabilities at present.  However, you can limit
the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what
remote commands are enabled.  So the security breach is not too great.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1.  I sometimes
get the subject message, with or without the line dropping.  It's not
from the driver.  Is it from th' frog?

Thank you.

Bill

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From: [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13
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[e-mail] writes:

>I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP
>sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect
>the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R -
>reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N -
>connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the
>user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but
>this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is
>there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in
>my OUTPUT command.

I just learned how to to this this morning actually. I've been using MSK for
years and never really bothered to figure this goody out until now. Try:

SET PORT TCP/IP <host> NEW
CONNECT

This will automatically start a new Telnet session with the indicated
host.

If you haven't gotten hold of v3.14 yet, do. The KERMIT.UPD file has a
comprehensive explanation of these features and any others that have
been added in version 3.12, 3.13, and 3.14.

-Fozz

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Whoops-no RX!?!
Date: 20 Jan 1995 00:09:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
william p fulmor <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1.  I sometimes
>get the subject message, with or without the line dropping.  It's not
>from the driver.  Is it from th' frog?
>
It is not from the C-Kermit source code (grep -i Whoops ck[cu]*.[ch]).
Maybe it's from some library that it is linked to on the 3b1.  Try:

  strings kermit | grep Whoops

If this comes up empty, then it ain't from the Kermit executable.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Kari E. Hurtta)
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Subject: Kermit 3.14 and resize
Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:15:31 GMT
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I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14:

set noglob;
setenv COLUMNS '80';
setenv LINES '231';
unset noglob;

Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10:

set noglob;
setenv COLUMNS '80';
setenv LINES '24';
unset noglob;

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From [e-mail] Thu Jan 19 23:20:04 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Cal Lott)
Subject: COM3 available in 3.14?
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Hi!

    I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could
address COM3 and above.

    If not, is this a planned feature addition?

                    Regards,

                    -Cal
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From [e-mail] Thu Jan 19 17:39:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (anne white)
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Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 Connect Problem
Date: 19 Jan 1995 17:39:49 GMT
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MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly

1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used
   for months.  Although my hardware and operating system remain the
   same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully.  The computer I am
   using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1.  I am also connected to a
   local area network, just as before.

2. I devised the following test script, just to get to the bare bones
   of the symptoms.
   ; Test Script
   set modem hayes
   ; dial compuserve
   dial T94749005

3. I take this script file from the MS-Kermit prompt and this is what I
   get:
     3.1. Dialing ...
     3.2. Connect 9600
     3.3. and then nothing, until the connection times out.  I can do
          absolutely nothing.  The cursor is frozen, Control-Break and
          Control-C do not work, nothing.  There is no MS-Kermit
          prompt, nothing.  When the prompt does appear, if you enter
          another command, it is executed with glacial slowness.  I
          even tried "set terminal timeslice-release disable", to no
          effect.

4. I have C-Kermit 5A(190), and it executes just fine.

5. Puzzled, and frustrated, in Lincoln, Nebraska, USA.
--
Anne L. White     "Media Specialist/Teacher/Librarian by training"
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From [e-mail] Fri Jan 20 04:21:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 Connect Problem
Date: 20 Jan 1995 04:21:48 GMT
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In article <3fm855$[e-mail]>,
anne white <[e-mail]> wrote:
>MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly
>
>1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used
>   for months.  Although my hardware and operating system remain the
>   same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully.  The computer I am
>   using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1.  I am also connected to a
>   local area network, just as before.

I am glad to hear that you use C-Kermit.

However, when you do use MS-DOS Kermit under OS/2 I would suggest that
you also use Ray Gwinn's SIO replacement comm drivers.  Ray has implemented
the Fossil standard as a Virtual Driver in OS/2's DOS Sessions.

By using the Fossil support in 3.14 with Ray's VX00.SYS and SIO.SYS drivers
you will get performance under OS/2 that is as close as you can possibly
get to just having MS-DOS Kermit sitting on top of the actual hardware.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Keiko Iwayama)
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Subject: Need help with Kermit D/L!
Date: 20 Jan 1995 02:25:43 GMT
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My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so
I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as
fast as zmodem.  Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at
about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L).
Please email me any help, and thanks in advance.

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From: [e-mail] (James C. Hu)
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>>>>> "W" == Watson, John McClain <[e-mail]> writes:

    W>     Hello everyone.  I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just
    W> too darn slow.

You have been mis-informed.  I get transfer rates of 1,600+ cps
on a regular basis with kermit with my 14.4 Kbps modem, and it
only required some minor tweaking on my part.  Look through the
help files for the section on control prefixes, and set your
packet sizes to be at least 1000.  These transfer rates are at
least as good as the rates zmodem will get you.

-- James

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From: [e-mail] (Kari E. Hurtta)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize
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[e-mail] (Kari E. Hurtta) writes:

;I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14:
<...>
;Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10:
<...>

I forgot to say that these are MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.10.

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments
Date: 20 Jan 1995 10:16:43 GMT
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In kermit.bwr it is said:
   Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last
   character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing
   comment.  In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a
   continued line.
Well, I did not know this, and I had the following macro within my
mscustom.ini:

define kommsrv -
  dial rz1,-
  input 30 Benutzernummer:,-                       ; Warte auf die Ausgabe.
  output p41bsmk\44PASSWD\13,-                      ; Account,Passwort
  input 10 >,-                                     ; Warte auf Prompt.
  output c\44komm\13,-                               ; Rufe kommsrv.
  connect

This macro worked alright on my laptop at home until I upgraded from
kermite.exe 3.14 beta 14 to the final version. Then, parts of that macro
got displayed at the MS-Kermit prompt when loading mscustom.ini.

This "error" had not occurred when I first tested the new (final 3.14)
Kermit release on my office PC. Trying out this and that (on the office
PC, again), I noticed that minor variations in the macro let it either
work or not work.

Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment
single commands in macro definitions. Any leads?



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From: [e-mail] (David Kelly)
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Hi Guys,

We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320
terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server.
Sending files from Vax to PC works fine.

The process we're using is :

We login to  VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal
emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version
3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu
on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process.

The send process starts fine and seems to go smoothly with no retries
until suddenly it stops with the following VT320 emulator error message :
  COULD NOT GET KERMIT STATUS INFORMATION,
  (NOT RUNNING KERMIT IN SERVER MODE ON REMOTE HOST?)
This doesn't result in a connection loss to the vax, but the kermit transfer
stops. For a given file it will fail at the same place every time, but
different amounts of data are transferred before failure for different files.
Some small files will transfer OK and some won't. If the file is bigger than
approx 30k it will almost certainly fail. Failure doesn't seem dependent
on file type.

We've tried changing between LAT & CTERM connection with no change and I've
tried changing kermit protocol retry limit to maximum (though no retrys are
indicated) and I've changed TIMEOUT setting to maximum, all with no effect.
This process is consistent across all PCs we have and we have the same problem
with different model VAX servers. There are other kermit protocol and packet
settings in the terminal emulator I could try changing which are :
Block check sum currently set to 1 other option is 2
Send delay for first packet, currently set to 0,maximum is 63 seconds.
Start of packet currently CTL-A
Padding count, currently set to 0 maximum is 60
Padding character currently CTL-@
Endof line character currently CTL-M
Quote character currently #
Packet size currently 94 other choice is 80

I haven't tried changing these as I have no idea what effect they will have.

Kermit transfer both ways to Pathworks VT320 DOS emulator (sethost) works
fine.

This problem has been reported to DIGITAL with no resolve as yet.

Anyone have any ideas ?
Any help greatly appreciated, this is causing us serious problems and is
urgent.

David Kelly,
Systems Specialist
Environment Protection Authority.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14?
Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:48:20 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Cal Lott <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could
>address COM3 and above.
>
A frequently asked question.  The short answer: Yes.

The medium answer: COM3 and above have no standard address or IRQ,
hence communications software (Kermit or anything else) can't always
find them, in which case you have to specify the address and IRQ,
using a sequence like:

  SET COM3 \x3e8 5
  SET PORT COM3

The long answer: Read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS
Kermit 3.14 diskette.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
David Kelly <[e-mail]> wrote:
>We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320
>terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server.
>Sending files from Vax to PC works fine.
>
>We login to  VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal
>emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version
>3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu
>on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process.
>
Can't help with this; your PC software is a DEC product, so you'll have
to get help from DEC.

However, you are more than welcome to use real Kermit software,
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, on your PC in place of the DEC software.  It supports
PATHWORKS connections too, as well as VT320 emulation and (of course)
Kermit transfers.  If you have trouble with it, we can help.

You are also encouraged to install C-Kermit 5A(190) on your VAX.
Kermit-32 is no longer supported.

To learn more about Columbia University's Kermit software, point your
Web browser at URL:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

Or use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu and follow the signs.

Direct further questions to [e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit D/L!
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In article <3fn6v7$[e-mail]>,
Keiko Iwayama <[e-mail]> wrote:
>My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so
>I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as
>fast as zmodem.  Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at
>about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L).
>
Kermit can go just as fast, often faster.  Please read the FAQ:

  anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu

  text mode

  file kermit/FAQ.TXT

- Frank


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From: [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14?
Date: 20 Jan 1995 08:01:46 -0700
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[e-mail] (Cal Lott) writes:

>Hi!

>    I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could
>address COM3 and above.

Yes. MS-DOS Kermit has had support for COM3 and COM4 for quite a while now.
If you have non-standard I/O addresses and/or IRQs for those ports you can
override the standard (if there really is one) settings with the MS-Kermit
command:

SET COM3 \x02f8 \4

This specifies that COM3 is IRQ 4 at 0x2f8.

-Fozz

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize
Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:28:15 GMT
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In article <3fma83$[e-mail]>,
Kari E. Hurtta <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14:
>
>set noglob;
>setenv COLUMNS '80';
>setenv LINES '231';
>unset noglob;
>
As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug
in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995.  That version has been
replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug.

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further instructions.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments
Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:39:12 GMT
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In article <3fo2ib$[e-mail]>,
Peter Schmolck <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In kermit.bwr it is said:
>   Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last
>   character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing
>   comment.  In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a
>   continued line.
>...
>Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment
>single commands in macro definitions. Any leads?
>
The ability to put trailing comments on the ends of continued lines is
not documented or supported in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.

As you have observed, experimentation shows that it might work sometimes,
but you should not depend on it.

And speaking of trailing comments, lest anyone be prompted by this
posting to ask again:

There was a change in v3.14 from previous versions, in which a semicolon
(;), must be followed by at least one space or tab -- or else be the
first character on a line -- to be recognized as a comment introducer.
This is to allow semicolons to be used within commands like:

  get dua0:[.temp]oofa.txt;3

or:

  output \27[?62;1;2;4;8;9;15c\13

without any quoting.  Previously the first semicolon in each of these
commands would have started a comment.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe R. Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP
>sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect
>the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R -
>reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N -
>connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the
>user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but
>this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is
>there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in
>my OUTPUT command.
---------------
    Please see the release docs again, as well as using "?" context
sensitive help in the SET PORT TCP command. This command accepts arguments
of  host <port> <N or R>   to start a New or Resume a current session.
SET PORT TCP also accepts a digit representing a session number (see SHOW
SESSION for a list of which are which).
    Joe D.







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From: [e-mail] (Joe R. Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Cal Lott <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi!
>
>    I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could
>address COM3 and above.
>
>    If not, is this a planned feature addition?
----------
    May I recommend reading the user's manual and the release notes
for MS-DOS Kermit which will explain in detail the handling of COM3/4.
MSK has used all four COM ports for a great many years.
    Joe D.



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From: [e-mail] (Loke Teng Yan)
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Subject: CKermit Transfers
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Hello,

I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about
it.

For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries?
What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is
only 2400bps? What should I do to make the connection automated, that is,
when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated?
How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout?

For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS
version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate
for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the
transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean?

Thank you for answers and comments.

--
Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow      | Electronic & Computer Engineering Polytechnic
[e-mail] | [e-mail] | Singapore  |
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: CKermit Transfers
Date: 22 Jan 1995 02:28:39 GMT
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In article <3fphj0$[e-mail]>, Loke Teng Yan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about
>it. For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries?
>
Hmmm, I guess not, other than:

  type c:\ckermit\ckermit.kdd

or (more generally):

  type \m(_dialdir) ; This variable holds the name of the dialing directory.

You could add a macro definition for this to your CKERMOD.INI file,
something like:

  define numbers type \m(_dialdir)

or something fancier, e.g. to list all entries that match a particular
string.  But see below about the services directory.

>What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is
>only 2400bps?
>
SET DIAL SEPEED-MATCHING OFF.

>What should I do to make the connection automated, that is,
>when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated?
>
You can write script programs to do whatever you want.  Script programming
can't be explained in a short message - you should read the manual; three
chapters of it cover script programming.

>How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout?
>
There is a kind of "higher level" dialing directory, called the services
directory, that does this for you automatically.  The mechanics are explained
in complete detail in the manual, and from a user standpoint also in the
CKERMIT.INF file.

>For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS
>version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate
>for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the
>transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean?
>
Again, all explained in the manual.  About performance, you should also
look at the FAQ:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.txt

Manual:

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Stephen J Micke)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: WP key problem?
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I have been using Word Perfect 5.0 on a SCO Unix Machine.  I use kermit to
connect a PC to the Unix machine.

On the Unix side, I set my terminal type to vt102 and my WP terminal type to
kermit.  On the Pc-kermit side, I set my terminal type to vt102.

WP included a file wp231.ini which mapped all the function key for using WP.
WP5.0 works fine with the wp231.ini key mapping.


I have just upgraded to WP5.1 which does not have many changes from WP5.0.
However, none of the Function keys are working.  Some of the keys are mapped
to different keys,such as the "F7" key which is mapped to "F3".

I've used both the wp231.ini file from WP5.0 and the wp232.ini file included
with WP5.1 to try to map the keys.  These two files are virtually identical,
except for two key mappings.

Has anyone experienced the same problem?

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From: [e-mail] (Dwight Hugget)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: is 3.14 finally ready now
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I haven't been on this newsgroup for a while so I'm out of touch. Is Kermit
3.14 out of BETA and ready for prime time?

Thanks for any help.
__
dwight
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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: A report on 8-bit Finnish characters and Kermit
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) has kindly been helping
me with the following configuration problem. He asked me to write a
report to the Usenet news of this configuration. I am happy to do it
in return with thanks. This case demonstrates well the flexibility
of Kermit terminal emulator for various countries. These scripts are
for Kermit version 3.14 and I use them in my modem connections from
home to our BSD Unix main computer at the University of Vaasa.

When the included definition scripts have become more tested in my
own use, I'll probably update my

 47099 Feb 12 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm25.zip
 tskerm25.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit.

In my Kermit initialization file I define among other things the
following three commands
 define FINNISH take finnish.cmd  ;Use classic 7-bit Finnish characters
 define LATIN1 take latin1.cmd    ;Use standard 8-bit characters
 define MIXED take mixed.cmd      ;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters

I normally use LATIN1. If I read Finnish email or Finnish Usenet
newsgroups written with the new 8-bit Finnish definitions, then I
set MIXED. If I write Finnish text I still usually keep to FINNISH,
but if for some reason I need to write new 8-bit Finnish text then
it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the
following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters.

 set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends
 set key \143 \31                  ; Key A' sends

--------------------------------------------------------------------
;FINNISH.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:34

; Set on the classic Finnish 7-bit terminal emulation
set terminal bytesize 7-bit
set terminal character-set Finnish

set translation input on

;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet
set translation input \154 \94    ; Show U" as caret (^)
set translation input \129 \126   ; Show u" as tilde (~)

;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD
set translation input \235 \235   ; a"
set translation input \159 \159   ; o"
set translation input \238 \238   ; a'
set translation input  \30  \30   ; A"
set translation input \251 \251   ; O"
set translation input  \31  \31   ; A'

set key \132                      ; Key a" sends itself
set key \148                      ; Key o" sends itself
set key \134                      ; Key a' sends itself
set key \142                      ; Key A" sends itself
set key \153                      ; Key O" sends itself
set key \143                      ; Key A' sends itself

; --------------------  End of FINNISH.CMD -------------------------

;LATIN1.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:17

; Set on the standard 8-bit terminal emulation
set terminal bytesize 8-bit
set terminal character-set latin1

set translation input on

;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD
set translation input \154 \154   ; U"
set translation input \129 \129   ; u"

set translation input \235 \235   ; a"
set translation input \159 \159   ; o"
set translation input \238 \238   ; a'
set translation input  \30  \30   ; A"
set translation input \251 \251   ; O"
set translation input  \31  \31   ; A'

set key \132                      ; Key a" sends itself
set key \148                      ; Key o" sends itself
set key \134                      ; Key a' sends itself
set key \142                      ; Key A" sends itself
set key \153                      ; Key O" sends itself
set key \143                      ; Key A' sends itself

; --------------------  End of LATIN1.CMD --------------------------

;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:33:13

; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation
set terminal bytesize 8-bit
set terminal character-set latin1

set translation input on

;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet
set translation input \154 \94    ; Show U" as ^
set translation input \129 \126   ; Show u" as ~

; Alter what is shown
set translation input \235 \132   ; Show ascii 235 as a"
set translation input \159 \148   ; Show ascii 159 as o"
set translation input \238 \134   ; Show ascii 238 as a'
set translation input  \30 \142   ; Show ascii  30 as A"
set translation input \251 \153   ; Show ascii 251 as O"
set translation input  \31 \143   ; Show ascii  31 as A'

; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters
set key \132 \235                 ; Key a" sends
set key \148 \159                 ; Key o" sends
set key \134 \238                 ; Key a' sends
set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends
set key \153 \251                 ; Key O" sends
set key \143 \31                  ; Key A' sends

; --------------------  End of MIXED.CMD ---------------------------

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: [e-mail]   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland

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From: [e-mail] (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare?
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In article <3f6k1k$[e-mail]>,
    Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:

>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was
>released on January 12, 1995.

>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu

And then...

>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
>BBSs for downloading by their users,

Wonderful.

It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS.

I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are
degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic.
This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to
pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It
exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research"
users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is
not to be Internet-savvy.

I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in
the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only
docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and
the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.)

This has nothing to do with the technical excellence of the product and
my lasting gratitude to all to have contributed. But IMO this policy
transcends FreeWare and ShareWare, and can best be described as
"BegWare".

First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider.

--
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
       Novell Unix Master Reseller / [e-mail] / [phone]
                A happy traveller on the information sidewalk

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From: [e-mail] (Dick Wisan)
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Subject: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files
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A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start
logging to "printer".  If there's no such file, Kermit creates it.
If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but
if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the
printer isn't ready.

This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14.  3.14 does it,
too.  Surely this isn't intended?

Is there a fix for this?  I work around it by embedding the call to
Kermit in an alias that checks for and deletes 0-byte files in the logs
directory, but that takes time, and it shouldn't be necessary.

--
R. N. (Dick) Wisan  - Email: internet [e-mail]
                    - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A.
                    - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax.

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From: [e-mail] (David Finton)
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Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error" -- second round
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In a previous message I wrote about a problem with kermit dropping
the connection and giving me this error message.  For example:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
?{w{;~{{m

Can't read character: I/O error
                               Communications disconnect (Back at localhost)
NeXT kermit>
-----------------------------------------------------------------

I'd like to thank those who advised me to build kermit5a190 and
increase the number of windows and the receive packet-length.  This
made kermit much faster, and file transfer seems great.  I'm running
kermit on a NeXTstation with NEXTSTEP 3.2, /dev/cufa, hardware handshaking
cable and modem (Supra 14.4LC).

But I still get this irritating I/O error which throws me off the
remote machine.  I suspected my new computer's port, or the modem
cable, except that most of the time the connection is great.  The
error usually occurs when I've been idle for a minute or so, and
never in a file transfer.  I'm editing this over the kermit connection
now, and it's been working for about 20 minutes, I think.  It almost
seems like a line noise problem, although I didn't have this problem
with kermit on my previous machine.  Maybe my settings aren't quite
right yet.  I'll attach those below.

Anyone have suggestions for things to try?

Thanks,

David Finton

----------------------------

(Back at localhost)
NeXT kermit> show

C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, NeXTSTEP
Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 57600, mode: local, modem: hayes
 Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none
 Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa
 Escape character: 29 (^])

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout (used= 7):      7       10        Server Timeout:   0
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      1
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            5
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:         90     4526
 Maximum Length:      9024     9024        Window Size:      2 set, 0 used
 Buffer Size:        90515    90515        Locking-Shift:    enabled, not used

File parameters:        Attributes:       on
 Names:   literal
 Type:    binary        Packet Log:       none  Longest filename: 255
 Collide: backup        Session Log:      none  Longest pathname: 1024
 Send Pathnames:  on    Receive Pathnames: on
 Display: fullscreen    Transaction Log:  none

Byte Size: 8, Incomplete: keep, Init file: .kermrc
NeXT kermit>


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare?
Date: 22 Jan 1995 16:05:23 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Evan Leibovitch <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3f6k1k$[e-mail]>,
>Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was
>>released on January 12, 1995.
>...
>>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu
>...
>And then...
>...
>>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
>>BBSs for downloading by their users,
>
>Wonderful.
>It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS.
>
Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said:

 . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
   BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the
   Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University
   to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is
   given below).

 . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to
   contact us directly at <[e-mail]> to discuss the matter.

Thus, rather than posting an inflammatory message to the whole world, you
were invited to discuss it with us offline, to spare the planet another
month of acrimony and aggravation.

We are not running a democracy here, in which everybody gets to vote on
how we do our jobs.  We have to generate income to pay our salaries (and
for computers, supplies, etc), or we go away.  Thus, rousing the public to
yell at us accomplishes nothing.

>I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are
>degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic.
>This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to
>pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It
>exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research"
>users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is
>not to be Internet-savvy.
>
Quite the opposite.  On the Internet, we are able to communicate with our
users.  We can get our message across to them: via announcements, ftp site
greeting messages, our Web page, newsgroups, etc, in an efficient way,
i.e. many people see one message.

But when software is distributed on BBSs, users who get it that way often
have no easy way to get in touch with us; furthermore, we have no control
over how the software is presented on the BBS -- what messages accompany
it, etc.  When contact does come from these users, e.g. because they have
technical questions because they did not get a manual, it is one-on-one;
an extremely inefficient use of our most precious and limited resource:
time.

>I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in
>the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only
>docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and
>the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.)
>
I think you misunderstand the attitude.  Back in the old days, the Kermit
effort was paid for by a budget, and we didn't have to generate income.
We actually packed up and mailed out those boxes for free -- free! --
for quite a few years.  Then the budget went away and we had to pay for
ourselves.  Years passed, demands for new features and versions increased,
the user base increased, the technical support burden increased, and so
income has to increase.  We don't enjoy nagging everyone all the time
to "buy the book" (especially since it only makes sense and the nagging
should not be necessary), but if you want us to stop, then pay our
salaries :-)

The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free
software are over.  You might find a few people who still do it, but you
won't find it on an organizational level.  Look, for example, at the Free
Software Foundation.  Have you read their literature lately?  The rule of
the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them.  The
Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the
good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and
generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are
forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses.  If
millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might
think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and
give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem
to be the case.  But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we"
(organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you"
with no compensation.

The Internet and the BBSs are not big bags of free goodies.  All of the
things you find there represent human labor.  If you make use of the
products of that labor, you should respect the wishes of the people who
did the work.

>First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider.
>
A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that
(a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this
area.  But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we
have to operate within certain constraints and are not necessarily free to
do absolutely anything we (or you) can think of.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Dick Wisan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start
>logging to "printer".  If there's no such file, Kermit creates it.
>If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but
>if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the
>printer isn't ready.
>This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14.  3.14 does it,
>too.  Surely this isn't intended?
>
Surely not.  Version 3.14 was in Beta test for three months; did you
report this problem?  If so, the report must have been lost in the
shuffle, or we would have addressed it.

The best way to report problems like this is by email to:

  [e-mail]

The more promptly you report them, the better.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ahokas Jarno)
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Hi there !


The  idea  is  to  use  three or more old 286 as "terminals". They all have
network  adapters  and  dos 3.x plus drivers for adapters (I don't know the
type  of  these adapters yet). Since the version of SCO we're buying is for
16  users it's possible to expand the network if needed. I was advised by a
Finnish  SCO "guru" to use MS-Kermit software since it includes support for
scandinavian  alphabet, terminal-emulations up to VT320 and built in TCP/IP
(and  it's free). I've also FTPed this software from kermit.cc.columbia.edu
both  for  DOS and SCO UNIX. The DOS side is very well documented (at least
200-300  pages  of  documentation).  There were several kermit programs for
SCO UNIX as follows:

    ckuker.sco32v4        ckuker.sco32v4gcc
    ckuker.sco32v4net    ckuker.sco32v4netc
    ckuker.sco32v4netgcc    ckuker.sco386netc
    ckuker.sco3r2laic    ckuker.sco3r2netnd
    ckuker.sco_odt30    ckuker._xenix_2.3

About  this kermit program. I'm wondering how it actually works. Especially
in  the  UNIX  end.  I  want to make .BAT files in these "terminal AT's" so
that  when  you run this .BAT file the next thing that appears in screen is
SCO  UNIX asking "login:" and "password:". I know that there must be kermit
running  in  SCO  UNIX but how can it handle multiple users and how can the
software  be  run via kermit connection?



Many thanks if you can help.

     Jarno Ahokas
    ([e-mail])




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HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go
Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28".
Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Berg)
Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1
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I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated
to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while
I wait for a native NT version).

(After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new
version that fixed that problem.)

But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to
display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1
and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850).  I've never had much luck
mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with
it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now,
and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type
junk.

Thanks,
Mike

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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In article <3ft31u$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Timo Salmi) writes:
> define MIXED take mixed.cmd
;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters

>it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the
>following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters.
>
> set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends
> set key \143 \31                  ; Key A' sends

I found at least a temporary solution to this problem. The A" and A'
keys are needed in editing.  I use MicroEMACS so I added the
following definitions to my .emacsrc and voila.

bind-to-key    execute-macro-3     ^X.
bind-to-key    execute-macro-4     ^X:

3 store-macro
  insert-string A"    <-- \30
!endm

4 store-macro
  insert-string A'    <-- \31
!endm

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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In article <3ftvo3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, Evan Leibovitch <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <3f6k1k$[e-mail]>,
>>Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was
>>>released on January 12, 1995.
>>...
>>>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu
>>...
>>And then...
>>...
>>>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
>>>BBSs for downloading by their users,
>>
>>Wonderful.
>>It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS.
>>
> Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said:
>
>  . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their
>    BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the
>    Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University
>    to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is
>    given below).
>
>  . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to
>    contact us directly at <[e-mail]> to discuss the matter.

Frank,

Please consider this as a suggestion rather than a flame.  I fully under-
stand your need to find funding -- after all, I run a business, so it's
not as if I'm against commercial software or the needs of maintaining an
adequate balance sheet.

I'm not sure what the proper approach is, but I think that the current
policy will prove counter-productive.  Kermit is already a rather
marginal product in the BBS world (for reasons that are mostly cultural
rather than technical;  we can debate the exact reasons, but the basic
facts are really not in dispute), and this will probably be the last
straw for it in that marketplace.

I will say that you could put more information on how to buy the books
into the standard documentation files, and/or convert Kermit to a share-
ware product;  I think both of these could generate some additional
revenue.  You have little or no obligation to support users who have down-
loaded Kermit from BBSes;  it's been your decision to spend the time to
support such people.  But the new policy may well result in a situation
where you have few support demands ... because there are few people using
the product (and consequently few book and tape sales, so therefore little
revenue;  possibly too little revenue to survive).  This may or may not
be a good thing, but it's not what you claim to want, so I fear that
this issue may not have been thought through very well.  (I'm tempted to
say that perhaps someone more familiar with the business world should
be consulted;  in my experience, people from University environments --
even from the business offices in Universities -- often have few relevant
skills to bring to the table when dealing with such problems).

To put it bluntly, I think this approach will reduce your income (from
book sales etc) without sufficiently reducing your support costs to make
up the difference.  I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how you can expect
any other result.  In that case, I would suggest that you (and Columbia)
need to consider seriously whether the Kermit mission is one that is still
worth working on.

Bruce C. Wright

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Riordan)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT
Date: 21 Jan 1995 18:28:53 GMT
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In article <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get
>C-Kermit working under NT ?

A while ago the Windows Online BBS at [phone]
had a file KMN077.ZIP:

"Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of
the Kermit file  transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes
most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute
packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full  featured terminal
emulation capability and  modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is
fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen."

Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not.   /mrr



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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Berg) writes:
> I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated
> to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while
> I wait for a native NT version).
>
> (After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new
> version that fixed that problem.)
>
> But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to
> display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1
> and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850).  I've never had much luck
> mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with
> it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now,
> and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type
> junk.
-------------
    This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what
the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is,
the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it.
In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we
don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know
if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps
you can fill in the blanks for us.
    Joe D.

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Subject: Looking for Kermit FAQ
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   Helo.

   Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit?

   Thanks in advance.

    Rafa

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From: James Leftwich <[e-mail]>
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I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with
me.  I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every
time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I
try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error.

1)  Can someone help me with this problem

and

2)  Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one
but its huge and technical.

Thanks (private email preferred)

Jim Leftwich
[e-mail]
"I'm on cloud9!" :)


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Fosdick)
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Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of
connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence?

Thanks.

--
Steve Fosdick                  Internet: [e-mail]
Voice: [phone]         BT WEB:   FOSDICK S J
Fax:   [phone]         BOAT:     FOSDICSJ
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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an
ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office
PC before going home

define servemode -
  set flow none,-
  set port tcp *,-
  set server login ID PASSWORD,-
  server

I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to
my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS
commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only
once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility
to remotely start another one.

Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after
sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"?



--
Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
Department of Education                       Phone :     [phone]
Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     [phone]
85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit as an ftp-daemon equivalent?
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In article <3fvvqe$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
> How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an
> ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office
> PC before going home
>
> define servemode -
>   set flow none,-
>   set port tcp *,-
>   set server login ID PASSWORD,-
>   server
>
> I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to
> my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS
> commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only
> once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility
> to remotely start another one.
>
> Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after
> sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"?
----------------
    Yes, you can control this behavior, and more, with the DISABLE
and ENABLE commands. To be a perpetual server say DISABLE FINISH which
will disable FINISH, BYE, LOGOUT from clients. You can also restrict
access to changing directories, etc.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: beginner macuser can't download
Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:42:57 GMT
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In article <3fr6oh$[e-mail]>,
Cynthia Campbell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go
>Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28".
>Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia.
>
Please try the current (non-)release of Mac Kermit:

CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT

As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994

*** BULLETIN ***
Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with
downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x).  Now files can be downloaded
on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS
7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects.  It should also fix certain
binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when
downloading in binary mode.
*****************

The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988.  Unfortunately, it
does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems.  However, newer
versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on
these old models.

A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result
(so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most
purposes.

The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is
0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190).  It is available via anonymous FTP
from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f.

A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is
complete.  Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will
be.  Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for
further announcements.  You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending
email to [e-mail] (or [e-mail]) containing
the text:

  SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here

Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/f directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

(End of ckmaaa.hlp)



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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit FAQ
Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:46:09 GMT
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In article <3fttdh$[e-mail]>,
Francisco Chinesta Soria <[e-mail]> wrote:
>   Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit?
>
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit, Choose "Further Information", then "FAQ".

Or anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT
Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:56:07 GMT
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In article <3frjp5$[e-mail]>,
Mark Riordan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>had a file KMN077.ZIP:
>
>"Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of
>the Kermit file  transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes
>most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute
>packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full  featured terminal
>emulation capability and  modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is
>fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen."
>
>Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not.   /mrr
>

Actually, the latest versions are KM[WN]080.ZIP.  W is Win 3.1 and N is NT.

This is an original work not supported by Columbia but based on Frank's
Kermit Protocol book.  The interface is pretty and it supports Async
and WINSOCK connections.  BUT...

it does not have any Script language and the VT emulators fail many of the
vttest program's tests.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: novice help
Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:57:29 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
James Leftwich  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with
>me.  I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every
>time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I
>try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error.
>
>1)  Can someone help me with this problem
>
First you have to say what kind of computer you have, what operating
system, which Kermit program, and which version.  But in general, the
safest bet is to tell BOTH Kermit programs to "set file type binary".
Yes, there are shortcuts, but you can learn them later.

>and
>
>2)  Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one
>but its huge and technical.
>
Which documentation are you referring to?  The two most popular Kermit
programs, MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, each have excellent, professionally
published manuals that are no more technical than you need them to be.
They start out in tutorial fashion geared to novices, and work up to
advanced stuff for those who need it.  You can find out about the manuals
by pointing your Web browser at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/, or by
sending an email inquiry to [e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Any way for remote end to finish connect mode
Date: 23 Jan 1995 18:03:31 GMT
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In article <3fvvml$[e-mail]>,
Steve Fosdick <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of
>connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence?
>
C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, and OS/2 supports this feature.
Read about it in section 3.1 of the ckcker.upd (C-Kermit update notes)
file that comes with it.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1
Date: 23 Jan 1995 15:14:30 GMT
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Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Berg)
writes:
[...]
>> But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to
>> display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1
>> and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850).  I've never had much luck
>> mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal
with
>> it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different
now,
>> and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM
PC-type
>> junk.
>-------------
>        This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what
>the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is,
>the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it.
>In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we
>don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know
>if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps
>you can fill in the blanks for us.
>        Joe D.

OK.  I can see the difference when reading the usenet group can.francais.
For example, the article "FAQ - les accents francais et Usenet", the
following paragraph:

+ Oy qu'il riside, ` Nnmes ou mjme Capharna|m, tout Frangais inscrit au rtle
rhglera son d{ avant Nokl, qu'il soit naof ou rbleur. ;

Reading this (that is -- the original - hopefully properly copied here) from
netcom.com using MS Kermit 3.13 displays this ISO-8859-1 text correctly, but
not MS Kermit 3.14 with the nearly out-of-the-box configuration.

Sorry for not being too clear about this in my previous posting. I haven't
deleted 3.13 from my system yet, so I'm doing a side-by-side comparison. I
assume I'm having some obvious configuration problem that I can't locate in
the help - but that can be easily fixed.

Mike



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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Dallal) writes:
> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt
> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server.  With version
> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required.  I assume this is because
> the forward command has been added.  Would it be a major violation of style
> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish?
---------
    It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname"
commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your
preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1
Date: 23 Jan 1995 23:17:48 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Mike Berg <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated
>to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while
>I wait for a native NT version).
>
>But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to
>display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1
>and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850).  I've never had much luck
>mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal
>with it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's
>different now, and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead
>of as IBM PC-type junk.
>
I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit
displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have
CP850 loaded.  If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow
fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code
page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to
find out), then you won't see the right stuff.  CP437 should be "mostly"
OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic
ones).

Note, by the way, that MS-DOS Kermit's "set terminal code-page" does not
actually do anything as far as loading code pages is concerned.  It is
simply a way to inform Kermit what the current code page actually is, so
it can set up the correct translations.  This is necessary because the DOS
call that asks what the current code page is tends to lie, especially if
it is not CP437 or CP850.

MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a CHARSET macro that displays all the
characters of the current code page.  What do you see when you type
"charset" at the MS-Kermit> prompt?

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.announce
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 patches
Date: 24 Jan 1995 00:28:47 GMT
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John W. Manly <[e-mail]> wrote...

  I just noticed what appears to be some nasty behavior in Kermit.  (I've
  tried this on both Kermit 3.13 and the Jan 12th 3.14).  I have some code
  in a LOGIN.COM to try to set the label of the window and icon in a
  DECwindows session using <OSC> and <ST> operations, and it appears that
  Kermit is choking on these sequences rather than ignoring them.
>
  For example, if I send the either of the sequences, <OSC>21;FOOBAR<ST>
  or <OSC>2L;FOOBAR<ST> to the Kermit emulator, it freezes up and requires
  an ALT-= to reset it.  These sequences are used by DECwindows for
  changeing the label of a window or icon (I forget which is which), and
  while I wouldn't expect Kermit to do anything upon reception, I wouldn't
  expect it to lock up either.

And [e-mail] (Michael Richmond) wrote:

  I discovered a possible bug in MS-DOS Kermit version 3.14 dated 12 Jan
  1995.  Kermit will find the initialization file when it is started with
  the command:

  kermit -f c:\not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini

  But it will not find the initialization file when it is started with the
  command:

  kermit -f \not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini

  That is, the drive letter must be supplied on the command line when the
  initialization file is not in the default directory.  This restriction
  does not exist in version 3.14/Beta-14 dated 20 Nov 1994.

These are both bugs.

They are fixed by patches.  The patch files are available via anonymous
ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in directory kermit/a.  Transfer them in
text mode:

  For KERMIT.EXE:  msr314.pch
  For KERMITE.EXE: msrm314.pch
  For KERLITE.EXE: msrl314.pch

Put them in your top-level KERMIT directory and, if you are using the
standard MSKERMIT.INI file, they will be applied automatically.  If you
are not using the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, then put a PATCH command
at the top of your startup file.  You can tell that they have taken effect
when Kermit's version herald reports:

  IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3

Thanks to Joe Doupnik for the quick fixes!

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Dallal)
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Subject: finish (no, not finnish!)
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In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt
to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server.  With version
3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required.  I assume this is because
the forward command has been added.  Would it be a major violation of style
if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish?

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Overton)
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Subject: Elavil and Heartburn
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--
I am wondering about a possible connection between the heartburn
difficulties and amitrypline or Elavil. For me the symptoms of heartburn
flared around the same time I was increasing the dosage of Amit. Just
wondering if anyone else has had this experience or if anyone knows if
Elavil can aggravate heartburn or reflux problems? I am taking 150 mg
Zantac daily , doesn't seem to be helping really. I am considering
trying to go on a low carb diet or cutting out milk altogether. Any
ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Lisa Overton, Guelph, ON
Canada...That's 'gwelf'



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From: [e-mail] (Keiko Iwayama)
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Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to upload
via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more?  Right now it is set to 80
and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!).  If Telemate
doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or
Qmodem which can be configured like this?

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare?
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In article <3ftvo3$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
:In article <[e-mail]>, Evan Leibovitch <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider.

:A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that
:(a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this
:area.  But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we

Way back then I think we about covered and analyzed every possible
angle. I respect Frank's views and I know he appreciated mine. I see
no reason for going over exactly the same arguments and
counter-arguments again after just a few months.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Berg)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Latin-1 (problem solved)
Date: 24 Jan 1995 08:03:55 GMT
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Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>

>I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit
>displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have
>CP850 loaded.  If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow
>fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code
>page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to
>find out), then you won't see the right stuff.  CP437 should be "mostly"
>OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic
>ones).
>

I figured out how to get most of Latin-1 to display OK.  I just had to set
the terminal to VT220 or VT320.  When I had set the terminal to VT100,
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 was displaying the characters as CP437 - i.e., without
translation.  This is a change from 3.13.

(I booted up WFW 3.11 and observed the same behavior).

Mike


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
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In article <3g3jfo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>
> I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
> automatically send and receive files from another computers.
>
> I can't get this to work right.  If I do "apc <string>" when connected
> to my host, I get the string placed and executed.
>
> However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error
> complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string.
>
> For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line.  If I'm in C-Kermit on
> the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords
> match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt.
>
> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly.
> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...
>
> Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly.  I get the
> impression from the documentation that this should work.
----------
    Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized
(the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal
emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and
acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator.
    Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending
file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say
CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not
terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Dallal) writes:
> In article <3g3anr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Denis McKeon) writes:
>>
>> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name?
>>
>
> In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h.  h is help no matter what I do to it.
-----------
    I'm moving this thread into my net.trivia queue. Macros don't overlay
hard coded command names. They may conflict with some abbreviations of hard
coded command names. If a one or two letter macro name does this for you
then please choose another combination. It's hardly something to create
a lot of traffic about. The general rule to apply is avoid macro names
which are the same as a command or an abbreviation of a command; that will
be a safe rule under all circumstances.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
Date: 25 Jan 1995 09:28:53 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
:In article <3g3jfo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
:>
:> I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
:> automatically send and receive files from another computers.
:>
:> I can't get this to work right.  If I do "apc <string>" when connected
:> to my host, I get the string placed and executed.
:>
:> However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error
:> complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string.
:>
:> For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line.  If I'm in C-Kermit on
:> the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords
:> match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt.
:>
:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly.
:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...
:>
:> Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly.  I get the
:> impression from the documentation that this should work.
:----------
:    Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized
:(the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal
:emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and
:acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator.
:    Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending
:file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say
:CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not
:terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either.
:        Joe D.

So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work
with with C-Kermit.  Dang!  And I was hoping to emulate similar
functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection.  Oh
well, c'est la vie!

        --Jerry

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
Date: 25 Jan 1995 14:51:11 GMT
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In article <3g5n75$[e-mail]>,
Jerry Alexandratos <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>:In article <3g3jfo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>:>
>:> I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
>:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
>:> automatically send and receive files from another computers.
>
Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers
you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is.

>:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly.
>:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...
>
You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC,
which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc.

>So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work
>with with C-Kermit.  Dang!  And I was hoping to emulate similar
>functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection.
>
Of course it works.  Just read the documentation and follow the instructions.

For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read
section 3.1 of ckcker.upd.

For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations
that depend on the program version.  Version 3.12 and earlier did not have
this feature.  Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it
was "ON".  However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments
stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and
therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would
do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the
accompanying material on the risks.  This was done in version 3.14.  Read
about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version.

Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on".

And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS,
and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
can be an APC sender.

If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them
by e-mail to [e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Can't connect at 28.8  :(
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Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message

    CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE
    Can't change speed to 14400

I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with
a 28.8 USR Sportster.

My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines:

set delay 1                     ; I escape back quickly
set dial display on             ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial
set window 2                    ; Use 2 window slots
set block 3                     ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking
set receive packet-length 1000  ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets
set modem sportster
set line /dev/ttyS1
set speed 115200
set file type text
set file name lit
set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13}


I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my
modem, thinking these people knew more than I.

Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates?

P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently
means "RX to DTE/RTS high".  Could someone please explain this
jibberish?  (-;

Thanks,
Jim.


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From: [e-mail] (Denis McKeon)
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Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!)
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[article both posted and mailed]

In <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Dallal) writes:
>> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt
>> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server.  With version
>> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required.  I assume this is because
>> the forward command has been added.  Would it be a major violation of style
>> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish?
>---------
>    It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname"
>commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your
>preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help.
>    Joe D.

I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation
is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution
to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed:

    MS-Kermit>ver
    IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17
    MS-Kermit>show macro x
     No macro(s)
     Free space (bytes) for names: 612

    MS-Kermit>x
    ?Transmit file not found
    ?Timeout
    MS-Kermit>define x push
    MS-Kermit>show macro x
     X = push
     Free space (bytes) for names: 607

    MS-Kermit>x
    ?Transmit file not found
    ?Timeout
    MS-Kermit>

Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name?


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8  :(
Date: 26 Jan 1995 13:46:08 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message
>
>    CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE
>    Can't change speed to 14400
>
>I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with
>a 28.8 USR Sportster.
>
>My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines:
>
>set delay 1                     ; I escape back quickly
>set dial display on             ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial
>set window 2                    ; Use 2 window slots
>set block 3                     ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking
>set receive packet-length 1000  ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets
>set modem sportster
>set line /dev/ttyS1
>set speed 115200
>set file type text
>set file name lit
>set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13}
>
>I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my
>modem, thinking these people knew more than I.
>
>Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates?
>
As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt
to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which
you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to
agree.  Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed.

Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the
connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what
the connection speed turns out to be.

Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should
generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed,
or locked.

You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this
way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got
the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem.  Luckily, it could not do
this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer.

The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it
and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS
"hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit
to "set dial speed-matching off".  See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for
a longer explanation.

>P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently
>means "RX to DTE/RTS high".  Could someone please explain this
>jibberish?  (-;
>
It probably means "don't let the modem send data to the computer unless
the computer is asserting the Request To Send (RTS) signal".  That's one
half (one direction) of the bidirectional RTS/CTS flow-control regime.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
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I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
automatically send and receive files from another computers.

I can't get this to work right.  If I do "apc <string>" when connected
to my host, I get the string placed and executed.

However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error
complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string.

For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line.  If I'm in C-Kermit on
the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords
match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt.

My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly.
I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...

Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly.  I get the
impression from the documentation that this should work.

Thanks in advance...

        --Jerry

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From: Mark Kuang Luo <[e-mail]>
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Hi:
    I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes
to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a
www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated.

Thanks
_/ason


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Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!)
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In article <3g3anr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Denis McKeon) writes:
>
> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name?
>

In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h.  h is help no matter what I do to it.

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
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Peter Schmolck ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment
: single commands in macro definitions. Any leads?

Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines?  You
could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen.

--
David

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3g3anr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Denis McKeon) writes:
> [article both posted and mailed]
>
> In <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Dallal) writes:
>>> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt
>>> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server.  With version
>>> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required.  I assume this is because
>>> the forward command has been added.  Would it be a major violation of style
>>> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish?
>>---------
>>    It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname"
>>commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your
>>preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help.
>>    Joe D.
>
> I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation
> is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution
> to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed:
>
>     MS-Kermit>ver
>     IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17
>     MS-Kermit>show macro x
>      No macro(s)
>      Free space (bytes) for names: 612
>
>     MS-Kermit>x
>     ?Transmit file not found
>     ?Timeout
>     MS-Kermit>define x push
>     MS-Kermit>show macro x
>      X = push
>      Free space (bytes) for names: 607
>
>     MS-Kermit>x
>     ?Transmit file not found
>     ?Timeout
>     MS-Kermit>
>
> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name?
--------
    Yes, use "F" as in my example above. Not all macro names in
conflict with exiting names will be accepted.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Cynthia Campbell)
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HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is
mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a
message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users? Thanks. cc.

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Subject: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading!
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The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850
CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to
upload, I can only send a few packets.  When the file is small (under
about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!!

I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host
also.  I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and
OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no
more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote
machines with different C-Kermit edits.  Therefore, I think the
problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit.  If you're not familiar
with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect
and talk on the phone at the same time.  It's a direct connection to
the remote dialup server.

This is my last resort; I've spoken with system administrators and
they have never even heard of such problems.  I've tried everything I
can think of; switching COM drivers, changing the flow control and
speed, changing the packet size ... everything,

Thanks in advance ...
Andy

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Subject: HELP: 8-bit-quote and C-Kermit 5A(188)
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Hi,

Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with
C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992?

I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to
turn the 8th-bit-quoting off.

Thanks....Bernie.

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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
Date: 25 Jan 1995 11:37:47 -0500
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In article <3g5ogv$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
:In article <3g5n75$[e-mail]>,
:Jerry Alexandratos <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>In article <[e-mail]>,
:>Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>:In article <3g3jfo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
:>:>
:>:> I don't know what I'm missing here.  I want to create a pcget and
:>:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to
:>:> automatically send and receive files from another computers.
:>
:Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers
:you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is.
:
:>:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly.
:>:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc...
:>
:You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC,
:which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc.
:
:>So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work
:>with with C-Kermit.  Dang!  And I was hoping to emulate similar
:>functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection.
:>
:Of course it works.  Just read the documentation and follow the instructions.
:
:For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read
:section 3.1 of ckcker.upd.
:
:For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations
:that depend on the program version.  Version 3.12 and earlier did not have
:this feature.  Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it
:was "ON".  However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments
:stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and
:therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would
:do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the
:accompanying material on the risks.  This was done in version 3.14.  Read
:about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version.
:
:Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on".
:
:And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS,
:and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
:can be an APC sender.
:
:If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them
:by e-mail to [e-mail].
:
:- Frank

Sorry, I apoligize I guess I wasn't clear enough, or maybe I should've
quoted the original post a little more than what I did.

The ignorance is mine in this matter.  I didn't think that I would have
to be in terminal mode to make these macros work from the MSK side when
I was using MSK locally and CK on the host.

However, Joe's explanation that you need to be in terminal mode for the
APC commands to be received straightened everything out for me.

I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all.  They do.
I should know, I use them almost everyday!  What I meant was that there
was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local
machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation
present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to
execute them).

Damn!  Improper pronount/subject reference.  Maybe I should've listened
to my elementary school grammar teacher with a little more fervor?  8)

Thanks for all the input though.

        --Jerry

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Need help.
Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:01:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Mark Kuang Luo  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes
>to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format.  Or if anyone has a short
>explanation, it would be appreciated.
>
I think you are asking: how can Kermit transfer 8-bit data over 7-bit
communication links?  You can find the answer in the Kermit protocol
specification:

  Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press /
  Butterworth Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6.

Your school library probably has a copy.

>Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a www page
>
Yes to both.  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/.  You'll find the FAQ in
"Further Information".  Also by ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jean-Luc GOFFIN)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32
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>>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups
>>and TCP/IP 32?

>Yes.

>> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a
>>packet driver will not work.
>>

>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive
>discussion of this problem.

>Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary
>mode, file msvibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level READ.ME
>to get started.  Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC
>for the information you are asking for.
>
>- Frank

I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family.  I have make modifications
in files system.ini and protocol.ini.
I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file"
"error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat
file.

Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14
under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card,
netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a.


Thanks for any info,

Jean-Luc


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Thomas David Nichols <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Peter Schmolck ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment
>: single commands in macro definitions. Any leads?
>
>Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines?  You
>could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen.
>
No, it would not work.  There is presently no reliable way to imbed
comments within an MS-DOS Kermit command, and a macro definition is a
command.  You can have full-line comments and trailing comments, but not
imbedded comments.

Yes, this is a desirable feature, and maybe it will appear in a future
release.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: 8-bit-quote and C-Kermit 5A(188)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Bernie Connors, UNB, New Brunswick, CANADA, eh! <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with
>C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992?
>I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to
>turn the 8th-bit-quoting off.
>
This is explained, clearly I hope, in the manual, "Using C-Kermit".

There is no explicit command to turn this feature off and on.  It is
used if PARITY is not NONE, i.e. if it is EVEN, ODD, MARK, or SPACE.

If PARITY is NONE, it is not used.

Note that Kermit will detect EVEN, ODD, or MARK parity automatically,
and will use 8th-bit prefixing (and/or locking shifts) if it is
detected, as it must do in order to transmit 8-bit data through a
7-bit channel.

Also note that the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Is this newsgroup for mac users of kermit as well?
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In article <3g5sje$[e-mail]>,
Cynthia Campbell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is
>mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a
>message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users?
>
It doesn't have to be.  There is a Macintosh version of Kermit and
everybody is free to use it and discuss it, but it's only fair to warn
you that it is not supported as well as MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, or
IBM Mainframe Kermit, due to lack of Macintosh programmers available
to work on the project.

Mac Kermit was originally written here at Columbia University in the
days when we still had a staff of professional programmers for Kermit
software development.  Those days are long gone, and since then we
have relied on a succession of volunteer programmers elsewhere.  The
last of these succumbed to the exigencies of Real Life some years
ago, and since then the Macintosh-specific aspects of Mac Kermit have
remained relatively static, which would not be such a bad thing if
it were not for the fact that Macintosh hardware and OSs have been
changing out from under it at a rapid pace.  For example, Mac Kermit
suddenly lost its ability to download (receive) files when Mac OS 7.1
was released, because a particular system call started working
differently (I fixed this problem myself, but that should not be taken
as an indication that I know anything about Macintosh programming!).

The current version of Mac Kermit is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit
5A(190).  It has some problems and limitations, which are listed in the
accompanying "beware" file, but it is quite usable for many purposes and
has a good VT320 emulator.

Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the
kermit/f directory:

  ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format
  ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988)
  ckmker.ps  -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40)
  ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc
  ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font

and in the kermit/charsets directory:

  maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself

Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details.

Macintosh programmers with an MPW C 3.2 (or later) development system are
more than welcome to pitch in.  Nothing would please me more than to be
able to bring Mac Kermit back to life.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC
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In article <3g5uor$[e-mail]>,
Jerry Alexandratos <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...
>I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all.  They do.
>I should know, I use them almost everyday!  What I meant was that there
>was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local
>machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation
>present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to
>execute them).
>
Maybe this will help.

There are different approaches to automating things.  If you want the
client (the "local" Kermit, the Kermit that is running on the PC on your
desk, or whatever) to control things, then you do this with a script
program using INPUT and OUTPUT and related commands to send commands to
the host and read and act on its responses.

If you want the host to control things, then your local Kermit must be
in terminal mode, and the host sends commands to it embedded in APC
sequences.

A third configuration has the host Kermit program in server mode, and
the local Kermit controlling it with SEND, GET, REMOTE, and FINISH
commands.  A fourth has the local Kermit in server mode and the remote
one controlling it in the same way.

Other combinations can be imagined, e.g. both Kermit programs running
scripts at the same time that interact with each other, but the main trick
is in appreciating that we don't have a "modeless" situation here, so when
automating things, the controlling script must be conscious of what mode
the controlled entity is in.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading!
Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:38:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Andrew J. Korty <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850
>CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to
>upload, I can only send a few packets.  When the file is small (under
>about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!!
>
>I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host
>also.  I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and
>OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no
>more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote
>machines with different C-Kermit edits.  Therefore, I think the
>problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit.  If you're not familiar
>with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect
>and talk on the phone at the same time.  It's a direct connection to
>the remote dialup server.
>
Data connections are rarely symmetrical.  The fact that something works
in one direction is not a good predictor of success in the other
direction.

Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction,
tiny buffers in the upstream direction.  A common configuration, based on
the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream
traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream
traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands).

Where are these "buffers"?  Probably in the terminal server.  And in your
case maybe we also have something going on with the modems.  Maybe your
DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down.

To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the
communications equipment to be more symmetrical.  This requires digging
through the technical manuals for the devices involved.

But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible
means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path:
between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the
terminal server, and so on.  This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow
control if it is available.  In-band "software" flow control methods such
as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well.  Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not
always available.  For example, one popular terminal server model supports
RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned
assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble.

- Frank

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Are you looking of native mode or scan code mode???

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From: [e-mail] (Daniel S. Lewart)
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[e-mail] (Michael Bernardi) writes:

> Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available?
> I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is
> KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download.

The probability is 1:
    ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msvibm.exe

Daniel Lewart
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (ROBERT, GABRIEL)
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Subject: Any way to do VT100 emulation in C-Kermit under FreeBSD ? HELP!
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Hello,

I need to emulate a VT100 terminal from FreeBSD version 1.  I am currently
using Kermit 5A(190).

A friend told me there was no way to do such a thing!

I hope somebody out ther would have a better answer: I am looking for:
    1) a way to do it from Kermit
    OR
    2) a VT-100 terminal emulation that I could use from FreeBSD
       to contact the host.

(I am using a 386)

Thank you in advance: any help will be greatly appreciated

Gabriel ROBERT
Computer Science, 2nd year
Concordia University, CANADA


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From: [e-mail] (Andrew J. Korty)
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In article <3gb0hr$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:

>Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction,
>tiny buffers in the upstream direction.  A common configuration, based on
>the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream
>traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream
>traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands).
>
>Where are these "buffers"?  Probably in the terminal server.  And in your
>case maybe we also have something going on with the modems.  Maybe your
>DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down.
>
>To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the
>communications equipment to be more symmetrical.  This requires digging
>through the technical manuals for the devices involved.

... and having access to that communications equipment.  I doubt PUCC
would be to keen on such an extended level of customer service.

>But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible
>means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path:
>between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the
>terminal server, and so on.  This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow
>control if it is available.  In-band "software" flow control methods such
>as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well.  Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not
>always available.  For example, one popular terminal server model supports
>RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned
>assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble.

Well, I was using RTS/CTS between my PC and the modem, and no flow
control between the machine and the terminal server.  I've tried
changing these with no success.  I can't figure out what the modem
pool uses to communicate with the terminal server, and I don't think I
could change it if I needed to.

So, I guess I'm just hosed, unless other people start complaining
about this as well ...

Andy

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Monty)
Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses
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My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and
now only supports dynamic IP addressing.  I've not yet been able to make
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM,
and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses.

Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like
mine?  Should I try CSLIP?  Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike
Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit?

    I can't (won't!) run Windows.

    I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit.  (Because I love it!)

    I can't communicate with my ISP.  (They're way too arrogant!)

    I'm desparate.

Please help.

---
Jim Monty
[e-mail]

[Posted to both comp.protocols.ppp and comp.protocols.kermit.misc]

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From: [e-mail] (DrakePR)
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Subject: C-Kermit (group 1 and group 2 modules) UNIX
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I need to know how to maintain global variables after I pass in and out of
the user interface.  I checked the program logic manual, but it only made
a passing reference to the fact the variables are not normally kept when
calling group 2 fuctions.

Please help me this is the last thing I need to get my custom version into
beta:)
thanks in advance,
Paul
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Norman Miller)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare?
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In article <3ftvo3$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free
>software are over.  You might find a few people who still do it, but you
>won't find it on an organizational level.  Look, for example, at the Free
>Software Foundation.  Have you read their literature lately?  The rule of
>the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them.  The
>Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the
>good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and
>generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are
>forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses.  If
>millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might
>think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and
>give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem
>to be the case.  But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we"
>(organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you"
>with no compensation.

Eloquent, sad and true.  We have to support Kermit by buying its books
just as we have to support PBS with our contributions.

Norman Miller

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I am working on an internal version of c-kermit.....I need to know where I
can
declare a couple of vars (3 ints and a char array) such that they will be
global to all modules.

thanks in advance
paul
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Need help.
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In article <[e-mail]>, Mark Kuang Luo <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi:
>     I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes
> to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a
> www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated.
-------------
    Far be it from me to do your homework (I'm a Prof too, and my grad
networks class is slaving away on my IP packet fragment reassembly techniques
without many hints from me).
    Your question is a little mysterious. Kermit does not display all
bytes as ASCII because not all byte values (code points in the jargon)
are displayable (printable in the jargon). Control codes aren't, for example.
Only one character set is ASCII, ASCII itself. Yet Kermit deals with many
different character sets.
    In general, there isn't a way of answering adequately in a News
message, but I'll indicate the tip of the iceberg in a few sentences.
Display devices have one or two display "pages", named Graphics Left
(GLeft) and Graphics Right (GRight). GLeft is without a high bit set
in its code points and is often ASCII; GRight is for code points with
the high bit set and is a variety of character sets. VT100 terminals
have only GLeft and use control codes SO and SI to change to/from (Shift
Out / In, respectively) a replacement character set. VT200 and above
have GLeft and GRight, and they support ISO 2022 control sequences to
map character sets to either GR or GL. ISO 2022 says behind the GR/GL
display pair exists four pages named G0..G3 ready to move into GR/GL
upon command. Commands exist to load G0..G3 with character sets of
choice drawn from a secondary storage of many possible sets.
    If you review cryptic doc msvibm.vt located on kermit.columbia.edu
in directory kermit/a you will see the command sequences to load GR/GL
from G0..G3, to shift in/out, and so on. That's hard to understand without
also reading the ISO 2022 doc, but we can't reproduce the latter item
(copyright, etc). A cutout of some interesting pieces of msvibm.vt are
appended below. If you have access to DEC VT200/300/400 technical manuals
then they have good pictures and discussion of the ISO 2022 mechanisms.
    Joe D.
---------------
 ESC ( <ident>    SCS        Designates 94 byte character set <ident> to G0
 ESC ) <ident>    SCS        Designates 94 byte character set <ident> to G1
 ESC * <ident>    SCS        Designates 94 byte character set <ident> to G2
 ESC + <ident>    SCS        Designates 94 byte character set <ident> to G3
 ESC - <ident>    SCS        Designates 96 byte character set <ident> to G1
 ESC . <ident>    SCS        Designates 96 byte character set <ident> to G2
 ESC / <ident>    SCS        Designates 96 byte character set <ident> to G3
         <ident>    size    character set
        A     94    UK-ASCII (ASCII, sharp sign 2/3 replaced by
                 Sterling sign), strictly only when a VT102
                 but permitted by Kermit also for VT220/VT320
        A     96    ISO Latin-1 (default in G2, G3)
        B     94    ASCII (default in G0, G1)
        0     94    DEC Special Graphics (line drawing)
        1     94/96    Kermit, ALT-ROM
        2     94    DEC Special Graphics (line drawing)
        %5     94    DEC Supplemental Graphics
        <     94/96    User Preferred Supplemental Set*
        >     94    DEC Technical set (from VT340's)
        H     96    Hebrew-ISO (ISO 8859-8)
        "4     94    Hebrew-7
 * VT300 terminals give choice of ISO Latin-1 (96) or DEC Supplemental

Graphics (94) determined by a Setup menu selection or host command.  VT420
Hebrew terminals add choices of Hebrew-ISO and Hebrew-7.  MS-DOS Kermit has
DEC Supplemental Graphics as the startup UPSS character set.

If the size of the character set does not match the <ident> nothing happens.
Startup defaults are ASCII in G0 and G1, ISO Latin-1 in G2 and G3, GL points
to G0, GR points to G2.  Activating DEC National Replacement Characters maps
the NRC set selected by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET <country> into G0..G3.
Single and Locking shifts, SS2, SS3, LS0 (SI), LS1 (SO), LS1R, LS2, LS2R, LS3,
LS3R determine which set is mapped to the GLeft or GRight area.


 ESC n        LS2        Map character set in G2 to GL, locking shift
 ESC o        LS3        Map character set in G3 to GL, locking shift
 ESC |        LS3R        Map character set in G3 to GR, locking shift
 ESC }        LS2R        Map character set in G2 to GR, locking shift
 ESC ~        LS1R        Map character set in G1 to GR, locking shift

Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area:

 Name    ASCII    value
     chart      hex keyboard            operation
 SO/LS1    0/14    0eh   ^N    Map character set in G1 to GL, locking shift
 SI/LS0    0/15    0fh   ^O    Map character set in G0 to GL, locking shift

Control codes in C1 (high bit set) Area:

 Name    ASCII    value
     chart   8-bit 7-bit        operation
 SS2    8/14      8eh   ESC N    Map G2 to GL for next char only, single shift
 SS3    8/15      8fh   ESC O    Map G3 to GL for next char only, single shift


 Character sets:

 VT320        Character set storage areas
        G0            G1, G2, and G3
 -------------------------------    --------------------------------
 Any 94 char set            Any 94 or 96 char set
 ASCII ("B"/94) default         G1 default is ASCII ("B"/94),
                    G2 and G3 defaults are
                         ISO Latin-1 ("A"/96)
 Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94)
 Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS-DOS Kermit only)
 Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94)
 Technical (">"/94) (from VT340)
 User Preferred, UPSS, if Suppl Gr.    UPSS if ISO Latin-1 or Suppl Gr.
                     DEC-Hebrew or Hebrew-ISO

 National Replacement Characters are forced into all sets when activated
  by CSI ? 42 h but only if a <country> has been previously selected by
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET <country>

 VT102        Character set storage areas
    G0 and G1            G2 and G3
 --------------------------------    ----------------------------------
 ASCII ("B"/94) Default            ASCII ("B"/94) Default
 Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94)
 Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS Kermit only)
 Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94)
 Technical (">"/94) (from VT340)
 National Replacement Characters    Always ASCII ("B"/94)
  are selected and activated by
  SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET <country>
  and affect only G0 and G1.


 Request  CSI ? 26 n        keyboard dialect
 Response CSI ? 27; Ps n    in MS Kermit this is controlled by
                command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET <country>
        Ps    Country            Ps    Country
        1    North American/ASCII    9    Italian
        2    British            13    Norwegian/Danish
        8    Dutch            16    Portugese
        6    Finnish            15    Spanish
        14    French            12    Swedish
        4    French Canadian        11    Swiss (German)
        7    German            14      Hebrew

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From: [e-mail] (David J. Moczygemba)
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Subject: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
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Hello,

  My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world.  Recently, a need has arisen to xmit
data to an IBM AS/400.  I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I
have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is
kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist.  Is this true? If so, can anyone
suggest an alternate method to explore?

  Any help offered is greatly appreciated.

David


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
Date: 28 Jan 1995 17:26:57 GMT
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In article <3g6iul$[e-mail]>,
David J. Moczygemba <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>  My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world.  Recently, a need has arisen to xmit
>data to an IBM AS/400.  I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I
>have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is
>kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist.  Is this true? If so, can anyone
>suggest an alternate method to explore?


No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series.  Might I ask
what operating system is running on the AS/400?  Is it AIX/400 or OS/400?

Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your
dilemma.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32
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In article <3garmn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jean-Luc GOFFIN) writes:
>>>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups
>>>and TCP/IP 32?
>
>>Yes.
>
>>> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a
>>>packet driver will not work.
>>>
>
>>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive
>>discussion of this problem.
>
>>Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary
>>mode, file msvibm.zip.  Unzip with "-d" switch.  Read top-level READ.ME
>>to get started.  Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC
>>for the information you are asking for.
>>
>>- Frank
>
> I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family.  I have make modifications
> in files system.ini and protocol.ini.
> I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file"
> "error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat
> file.
>
> Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14
> under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card,
> netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a.
-------------
    Syntax errors you will have to work out slowly at your end, but
I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack
nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack
loaded.
    Joe D.

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In article <3fooav$[e-mail]>
           [e-mail] "Frank da Cruz" writes:
>As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug
>in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995.  That version has been
>replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug.
>
>If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
>want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
>your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
>file you might have modified.
Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available?
I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is
KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download.
Mike
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Subject: Several problems with 01/18 release.
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Hi, all.  I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release)
and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten
when I'm logged into my Unix account.  Is anyone else having this
problem?  I had hoped that the new release would fix this.  I'm having
another problem as well.  Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly
--I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the
connection.  I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from
3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem.  If you give a text reference,
I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a
couple of days).  Oh, yeah.  3.14 barfs in Windows now, too.  It floods
the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to
our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS.  Finally, the dialer will
sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server
(then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial,
busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU).  This
may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence
(13 seconds).

The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it
tries to enable modulation fallback.  I've reverted to the old script
that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my
preferences in the modem itself.

Help on any or all of these problems would be greatly appreciated.  If
you need more information, I'll be more than happy to provide it.

Thanks for your help,

Troy Smith

P.S.  Sorry if the formatting is weird, but I'm using an unfamiliar
editor to post this.

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From: [e-mail] (DrakePR)
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What kind of terminal are you using??

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From: [e-mail] (DrakePR)
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Subject: RE: C-Kermit Development (global vars)
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>Just like in any C program, any variable that you declare outside of
>a function is global to the entire program unless you declare it >static.
>
>However, I would recommend that you declare the vars in the module
>closest in association with the use of the vars.

>Might I ask what modifications you are making to the ck code?

Thanks for the reply -

I have plowed my way through the code and now have the new version in
test.  (I ended up declaring the vars outside main in ckcmai
and then declairing them as external in the other mods)

My only remaining problem is one that I need my vars to live on after the
user passes in uses the command mode (user interface.....
ie When I drop to the C-kermit> prompt then move back to connect mode all
my vars are reinitiated.

This is refered to in the Program Logic manual only they refer to them
as group 1 and group 2 fuctions.

At Last to my question:
Using the nomenclature of the Program Logic Manual I need to maintain my
vars when moving from group 1 fuctions to group 2 fuctions.  How I do
this?? :)

This version keeps a copy of the current terminal screen in memory, and a
tool or two to use that screen.

thanks,
paul

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A little more background:

1) The vars are currently defined in ckcmai
2) 2 small fuctions live in ckutio
3) another fuction lives in one of the ckuusr modules
4) All seems to work fine while I remain in connect mode.  However if I
exit to the prompt and
   return my vars are redefined. :(

Again, thanks in advance.
paul
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Monty) writes:
> My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and
> now only supports dynamic IP addressing.  I've not yet been able to make
> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM,
> and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses.
>
> Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like
> mine?  Should I try CSLIP?  Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike
> Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit?
>
>     I can't (won't!) run Windows.
>
>     I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit.  (Because I love it!)
>
>     I can't communicate with my ISP.  (They're way too arrogant!)
>
>     I'm desparate.
---------
    Well, just how does your service provider indicate the IP number
to be used for a particular connection? If it's sent as part of a logon
message then what you need is to write a tiny script to do the logon chatter
and pick out the IP number. Note that MSK v3.14 supports \v(input) to
make the INPUT command's buffer available to the sundry \f...() string
manipulation operators.
    Might your provider support Bootp over SLIP? If so that's the end
of the problem.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (PAUL GARCIA)
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Subject: Telemate & Kermit help ne
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KI> From: [e-mail] (Keiko Iwayama)
KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc

KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa
KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more?  Right now it is set to 8
KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!).  If Telemate
KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or
KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this?


I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I
heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet
lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to
circumvent this?

Appreciate any advice.


<<Paul>>




 * RM 1.3 02295 * ... Navy pilot's worst nightmare...NO CARRIER!


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From: [e-mail] (David J. Moczygemba)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
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In article <3gdup1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) says:

>No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series.  Might I ask
>what operating system is running on the AS/400?  Is it AIX/400 or OS/400?
>
>Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your
>dilemma.
>
Thank you for the confirmation.  The AS/400 is running OS/400.


From [e-mail] Sun Jan 29 07:39:12 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Kermit is leaking
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Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the
screen. Kermit (190) is leaking.  This problem does not show up
on other comm programs.

--
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Several problems with 01/18 release.
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Hi, all.  I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release)
> and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten
> when I'm logged into my Unix account.  Is anyone else having this
> problem?

    A blind guess is your host is addressing the status line specifically,
such as ESC [ 25 ; column H. LOG SESSION to obtain material for analysis,
wrap in uuencoding to protect binary information, mail to me, [e-mail],
with commentary.

      I had hoped that the new release would fix this.  I'm having
> another problem as well.  Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly
> --I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the
> connection.  I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from
> 3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem.  If you give a text reference,

    But it can be. Please use the one shipped with MSK 3.14 and add
your changes.

> I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a
> couple of days).  Oh, yeah.  3.14 barfs in Windows now, too.  It floods
> the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to
> our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS.  Finally, the dialer will

    Something at your end, such as providing expanded memory but
forgetting to pin down where the 64KB expanded memory frame goes (that's
a frame=segment kind of construction). Please review the release notes
in v3.14 about memory management.

> sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server
> (then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial,
> busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU).  This
> may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence
> (13 seconds).
>
> The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it
> tries to enable modulation fallback.  I've reverted to the old script
> that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my
> preferences in the modem itself.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (F.J.Kelley)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Using MS-Kermit(3.13) with OS/2 2.11 + TCP 2.0
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Hi Net,
Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered
elsewhere, but ....
I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine.  The
problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running
NOS.  NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor
(FSE) that really likes such an environment.  When I used DOS, I
could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no
problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not
been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit
for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP.  So I though
I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but
no luck.  Is anyone using such a combination with success?  I would
appreciate any information you might have, thanks,
-- Joe Kelley            [e-mail]



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In article <3g5um7$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Norman Miller) writes:

[re: software costs, etc.]

>Eloquent, sad and true.  We have to support Kermit by buying its books
>just as we have to support PBS with our contributions.

I think this is a great way to do it. I recently bought Lamport's book
on LaTeX.

Anytime you can get the quality of software in Kermit or LaTeX, etc.
for the price of a <$40 book it's a bargain! I hope it's a trend.

WAKELEY PURPLE
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit(3.13) with OS/2 2.11 + TCP 2.0
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In article <[e-mail]>,
F.J.Kelley <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi Net,
>Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered
>elsewhere, but ....
>I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine.  The
>problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running
>NOS.  NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor
>(FSE) that really likes such an environment.  When I used DOS, I
>could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no
>problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not
>been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit
>for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP.  So I though
>I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but
>no luck.  Is anyone using such a combination with success?  I would
>appreciate any information you might have, thanks,
>-- Joe Kelley            [e-mail]

You cannot use MS-DOS Kermit in OS/2 for Telnet without being able to
dedicate a separate Network card to its DOS session.

However, the xlate table you create for the Cyber should work for C-Kermit.
The question is where is the xlate table installed.  I assume that it is
a table that defines a terminal emulation and keyboard setup.  Correct?

If so, then what you need to do is create a keyboard map file that
sets the keys up so that they match those that you are using in MS-DOS
Kermit.

Take a look at CKOVTK2.INI for an example of a complete VT220 keyboard
layout.

Be sure to be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190), not 5A(189).

ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/cko190.zip




Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Brian F. Angus)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32
Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:35:25 GMT
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>I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack
>nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack
>loaded.
>        Joe D.


Hi Joe,

I have not yet downloaded the final version of Kermit 3.14 and have not
read the SETUP.DOC for NETWORKS, but there may be a solution.  Dan
Lanciani has written a NDIS3 to real mode packet driver VXD which is
supposed to handle this sort of thing.  It multiplexes the WIN32 IP stack
with the DOS packet driver based IP stack.  This should allow Kermit's
internal TCP/IP stack to function.  I have not tested this with Kermit,
but it is similar to PKTMUX in function.  It's worth examining.  There is
a reference to this driver and a location in the comp.os.tcpip.ibmpc FAQ.

Brian Angus
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:42:13 GMT
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In article <3gf0f7$[e-mail]>,
David J. Moczygemba <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3gdup1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) says:
>
>Thank you for the confirmation.  The AS/400 is running OS/400.

Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as
the file transfer protocol.  Use it to move the file to some intermediary
machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE.  An OS/2 box with
Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do.

You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2
machine to get a file from the AS/400.  This would be in the form of a
REXX command.  After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET
on the intermediary file.

You can talk to me in private for more details if you want to pursue
this avenue.

Of course, if there was a programmer available who had access to a AS/400
that was willing to help us in the port of C-Kermit to that platform,
well we would be very appreciative. :-)


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking
Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:45:47 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the
>screen. Kermit (190) is leaking.  This problem does not show up
>on other comm programs.
>


Sorry, can you be a little more specific?

Random characters at the current cursor position?

Random characters at some other position?

Is it reproducible?  Do these random characters occur often enough that
you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me?

Could you please define "leaking"?

Are you using hardware flow control?

Thanks for taking the time to elaborate.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH)
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Subject: Kermit uploading problem
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I cannot upload binary files using  Kermit. Can anyone help?

Symptoms:

1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary.
2. NO problem uploading text files.
3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries.

I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc.
I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be?

Hardware:
Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis
PC: IBM PS/2 model 55
Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS.

Any help would be highly appreciated.


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Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH) writes:
> I cannot upload binary files using  Kermit. Can anyone help?
>
> Symptoms:
>
> 1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary.
> 2. NO problem uploading text files.
> 3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries.
>
> I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc.
> I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be?
>
> Hardware:
> Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis
> PC: IBM PS/2 model 55
> Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS.
>
> Any help would be highly appreciated.
-------------
    More information is needed, I'm afraid to say. Which versions of
Kermits are being used? The VERSION command and the startup herald will
show that. Flow control *must* be used, particularly going to the VAXen.
Since hardware flow control is difficult to achieve on VAXen you are stuck
with XON/XOFF, so be sure the VAX side can send it (see your VAX system
manager). Then do not unprotect XON/XOFF control codes in Kermit packets
because that will let data mistakenly act as flow control bytes.
    Finally, examine the PARITY situation. If parity is in use be
sure to tell both Kermits about it, else you will lose the high bit of
bytes and the transfer will fail.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Bob Shair)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

>In article <3gf0f7$[e-mail]>,
>David J. Moczygemba <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <3gdup1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) says:
>>
>>Thank you for the confirmation.  The AS/400 is running OS/400.
>
>Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as
>the file transfer protocol.  Use it to move the file to some intermediary
>machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE.  An OS/2 box with
>Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do.
>
>You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2
>machine to get a file from the AS/400.  This would be in the form of a
>REXX command.  After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET
>on the intermediary file.

That sounds like a workable solution to the problem.  I'd be inclined to
recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400
link if performance is an issue.
--

Bob Shair                          Open Systems Consultant
1018 W. Springfield Avenue         [e-mail]
Champaign, IL 61821           217/356-2684

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Dreher)
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Subject: Re: Telemate & Kermit help ne
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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (PAUL GARCIA) writes:

>KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa
>KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more?  Right now it is set to 8
>KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!).  If Telemate
>KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or
>KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this?
>
>I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I
>heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet
>lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to
>circumvent this?
>
>Appreciate any advice.
>
>

I'll answer to both, although I know Telix better than Terminate.  There's
a couple of threads about Telix and MS-Kermit in Fidonet.  Basically, you
can install MS-Kermit as an external protocol in Telix.  What you need is
a simple batch file that has one line: (Pick based on which version of Kermit
you have)
c:\msker314\kerlite.exe   (MS-Kermit 3.14)
c:\msker313\kermit.exe    (MS-Kermit 3.13) -- adjust based on your path.

Save the batch file as KERMIT.BAT and call it from the External protocols
menu.  You do not have to pass file names.  The download and upload batch
file is the same (KERMIT.BAT).  You do need to have Kermit either in your
PATH statement or in the same directory as Telix/Terminate.

You then configure the long packets in the MSCUSTOM.INI files.  I have
packets set to 2000, and it works fine for me.

That serves as the basics--you will want to check out the book as well as
the Kermit FAQ--that will tell you how to optimize your performance even more.
I have a poor server connection here, and can get 675 cps on text transfers
at 9600 bps, and about 400 cps on binarys.  The FAQ explains how to optimize
still more.  The FAQ is available by FTP to kermit.columbia.edu

Telix does *NOT* have the full Kermit implementation--it's only a subset that
has a max of 94 cps.  That is explained in the Telix 3.2x documentation.
I don't believe Telemate does either.  That's why Frank and others urge us
to use Columbia's Kermit.
Hope this helps!

Michael Dreher
Dept. of Speech Communication
Louisiana State University
Baton Rouge, LA  70803-3923
[e-mail] (Internet)

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem
Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:42:24 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I cannot upload binary files using  Kermit. Can anyone help?
>
>1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary.
>2. NO problem uploading text files.
>3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries.
>
>I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc.
>I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be?
>
Something in the upstream path is sensitive to the contents of the
Kermit packets.

If you are using the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX feature, then stop using it.

If that is not the answer, then use SET PARITY SPACE.

One or both of these should do the trick.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s???
Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:55:25 GMT
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In article <3gi4kf$[e-mail]>, Bob Shair <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>>In article <3gf0f7$[e-mail]>,
>>David J. Moczygemba <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>In article <3gdup1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) says:
>>>
>>You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2
>>machine to get a file from the AS/400.  This would be in the form of a
>>REXX command.  After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET
>>on the intermediary file.
>
>That sounds like a workable solution to the problem.  I'd be inclined to
>recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400
>link if performance is an issue.

The difference is that IND$FILE can be executed on OS/2 via a batch process.
I do not believe that there is an automated ftp for OS/2 yet.

Also, it is unclear whether TCP/IP services are available on this OS/400
system.

x
x
x
x
x

x
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Stephan Martin Summerer)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: C-Kermit and Warp
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Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190
and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the
background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I
switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am
running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit
for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed
out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still
coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was
changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for
the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the
transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!)
    Stephan



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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Warp
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In article <3gj0gs$[e-mail]>,
Stephan Martin Summerer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190
>and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the
>background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I
>switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am
>running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit
>for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed
>out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still
>coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was
>changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for
>the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the
>transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!)
>    Stephan

WARP provides no changes to the API for the system or its defaults.
When using WARP you should only use 5A(190) as 5A(189) is not
compatible with WARP's IAK.  Of course, 5A(190) also has many
additional features.

Things that did change in WARP were the COM drivers.  Many people
have complained about the drivers when they don't have a buffered
UART.

You also don't mention what speed you are transmitting at.

Make sure you are using hardware flow control.

And what else are you running in the background?  Are you using the
Windows quick-load option by chance?




Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

From [e-mail] Mon Jan 30 23:02:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
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Subject: Re: Crash recovery and (nearly) full file systems
Date: 30 Jan 1995 23:02:10 GMT
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Clearly, Kermit should take into account the fact that you are attempting
to resume an interrupted transfer.  You can get around the refusal, though.
Just SET ATTR LEN OFF.
                    John Chandler



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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth Udut)
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                                                            30.Jan.1995

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (PAUL GARCIA) wrote:
> KI> From: [e-mail] (Keiko Iwayama)
> KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
>
> KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa
> KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more?  Right now it is set to 8
> KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!).  If Telemate
> KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or
> KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this?
>
>
> I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I
> heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet
> lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to
> circumvent this?
>
> Appreciate any advice.

Set Kermit up as an external protocol, and call on KERLITE.EXE [3.14] when
transferring files.

Examples a-plenty are given in the documentation that comes with
Kermit.  It's the only guarenteed way to get fast transfer rates
and a guarentee to be able to connect to all modern Kermits.

Get Kermit from ftp - kermit.columbia.edu under /kermit/bin/msv314.zip

--
Kenneth Udut                                          [e-mail]
Listowner of [e-mail] - discussion on the rights of kids/teens

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From: [e-mail] (Sven Andreassen)
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Subject: How to make TCPIP32 & DIS_PKT9 coexist
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Dear all.

Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a
Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time??

I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to
the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers
actually works pretty well.  My problem is that I can't have two
different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet-
driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex.
Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13).

Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before?

Hope to hear from you.

Sven Andreassen
[[e-mail]]

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

| In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
| >
| >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the
| >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking.  This problem does not show up
| >on other comm programs.


> Sorry, can you be a little more specific?

    My apologies.  I've been busy and haven't had
    much time to check my mail.

> Random characters at the current cursor position?

    Yes.  About a character or two every half minute.

> Random characters at some other position?

    No.

> Is it reproducible?  Do these random characters occur often enough that
> you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me?

    Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn".

> Could you please define "leaking"?

    "O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at
    random intervals at the cursor screen).

> Are you using hardware flow control?

    Yes.


--
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem
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Mr. Calvin Rome ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform
: running SUNOS 4.1.

I'm having no trouble with Netcom's SUNOS, with this in my script
input 5 ogin:
if success output helios\13

Maybe you should show us your script (with any passwords deleted)

--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Mr. Calvin Rome)
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Subject: MSKermit Login Problem
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I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform
running SUNOS 4.1.

Here is the situation:

I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3.
I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running
SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In
the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being
released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files.  The Sys
Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which
broke the ability of MSKermit to login.  I went back to my original
MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta
testing) and it would not login either.  HOWEVER, I have also been
using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of
which login to the SUN box with no problems.  My userid is dtd-lo3.
When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login:

   login: t-lo3      then it locks up

Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result:

   login: DD-3       then it locks up

With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the
password:

   login: dtd-lo3
   Password:

My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm!  But I like MSK much better
for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet.  Any
suggestions?

**********************************************************************
Calvin Rome, GS-11     | SOF Language Office
Computer Specialist    | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center
[e-mail] | and School
***********************************************************************


From [e-mail] Mon Jan 30 19:23:05 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Lauren P Kauffman)
Subject: kermit for DG AOS???
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Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General
MV7800XP AOS operating system?

Lauren Kauffman


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From: [e-mail] (Dick Dee)
Subject: Kermit and PCMCIA
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I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or
MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message
"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications
programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on?

Dick Dee
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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In article <3gkt57$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
>
> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
>
> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
> transfers.
> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
>
> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.
---------
    No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
fast as the others and much better in many respects.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (David G. Risner)
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Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
Date: 31 Jan 1995 21:15:46 -0800
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You can set up Kermit to run PDZ or DSZ (the former Public Domain and the
latter Shareware).  They do ZModem transfer.

If you would like info. on how to use or get PDZ, send me E-Mail.

David G. Risner
[e-mail]

ps:  That's what I am using for connecting to my Unix shell account.


Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3gkt57$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
: >
: > I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
: > On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
: > On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
: > the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
: >
: > I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
: > transfers.
: > Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
: >
: > If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.
: ---------
:     No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
: think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
: fast as the others and much better in many respects.
:     Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem
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In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>, [e-mail] (Mr. Calvin Rome) writes:
> I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform
> running SUNOS 4.1.
>
> Here is the situation:
>
> I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3.
> I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running
> SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In
> the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being
> released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files.  The Sys
> Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which
> broke the ability of MSKermit to login.  I went back to my original
> MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta
> testing) and it would not login either.  HOWEVER, I have also been
> using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of
> which login to the SUN box with no problems.  My userid is dtd-lo3.
> When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login:
>
>    login: t-lo3      then it locks up
>
> Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result:
>
>    login: DD-3       then it locks up
>
> With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the
> password:
>
>    login: dtd-lo3
>    Password:
>
> My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm!  But I like MSK much better
> for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet.  Any
> suggestions?
>
> **********************************************************************
> Calvin Rome, GS-11     | SOF Language Office
> Computer Specialist    | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center
> [e-mail] | and School
> ***********************************************************************
-------------
    SET TCP DEBUG ON to see Telnet Options negotiations blow by blow.
The above has the indications of an Option your host wants but is not
supported by MSK. LOG SESSION if you want us to have a look at it too
(or give me a host name to try from my place).
    Another, related, thought it your host may require LF as a terminator
rather than CR during the login process. Try ending lines in Control-J to
see.
    Last thought is your host may not understand terminal type VT320
and it keeps asking for something different. This will show in the Options
negotiations chatter. SET TCP TERM-TYPE is the way to say one thing and
be another.
    Joe D.

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I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very annoying and if anyone knows a solution to this problem please email me at [e-mail] or post an answer here.  Thnx.

A. Webb


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Since my last message didn't come out...I have to repost.
I run kermit externally through minicom (a comm program for
linux). Everytime after a transfer it hangs up. If anyone
knows how to fix this either email me at
[e-mail] or post it here. Thnx.


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Hi,

I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution:

Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box
may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem
to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete?

Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the
DOS console??

If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH.  I need to provide a remote unattended
file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution.

Thanks..




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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit for DG AOS???
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Lauren P Kauffman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General
>MV7800XP AOS operating system?
>
Yes, C-Kermit 5A(190).

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f,
file ckd190.uue.  This is a UUencoded AOS DUMPFILE.  UUdecode it
if you can ("uudecode" is not a standard part of AOS/VS, but there
is an AOS/VS uudecode program included in the Kermit distribution
as kermit/f/ckdeco.c).

Get the resulting ckdker.pr file to your AOS/VS system and "undump"
it; this gives you the AOS/VS kermit.pr executable plus all the
various supporting files: ckermit.ini, ckcker.upd, etc etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA
Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:00:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Dick Dee <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or
>MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message
>"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications
>programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on?
>
The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14.  Assuming you have
version 3.13 or 3.14, please consult the KERMIT.BWR file that comes
with it.  There is a section called:

  TROUBLESHOOTING MS-DOS KERMIT SERIAL PORT AND MODEM PROBLEMS

which contains all the information you need to get this working.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3go00i$[e-mail]>, Paul Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS
>box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a
>modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete?
>
No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode.  If you want to transfer
files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things,
then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like
OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem
Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:11:10 GMT
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In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>,
Mr. Calvin Rome <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform
>running SUNOS 4.1.
>
(Long description omitted...)

Forget about script programming for a moment.  Can you log in
BY HAND?  If not, given evidence like the following:

> login: t-lo3      then it locks up
> login: DD-3       then it locks up
> login: dtd-lo3
>
I would say that your host had suddenly been programmed to require
a certain type of parity for incoming characters, most likely "even".
Try telling MS-DOS Kermit to:

  set parity even

(or "odd", "mark", or "space" if "even" doesn't do it) and most likely
it will work.

By the way, this is one of the most fundamental problems we encounter
in data communications, and you could not have missed it if you had
read the manual.

- Frank

P.S. There is no earthly reason why a host should *require* parity on
incoming characters, so another approach would be to ask the system
administrators to put it back the way it was before.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
WEBB ADAM W <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the
>linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the
>files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very
>annoying...
>
Quoting from section 11.1 of the ckuker.bwr file that comes with C-Kermit
5A(190), "C-Kermit as an External Protocol", which applies to "pmcomm" but
probably is also relevant to this question (I'd appreciate feedback on
this so I can update the documentation):

"pcomm" is a general-purpose terminal program that provides file transfer
capabilities itself (X- and YMODEM variations) and the ability to call on
external programs to do file transfers (ZMODEM and Kermit, for example).
You can tell pcomm the command to send or receive a file with an external
protocol:
            send                receive
    ZMODEM        sz <filename>            rz
    Kermit        kermit -s <filename>        kermit -r

pcomm runs external programs for file transfer by making stdin and stdout
point to the modem port, and then exec-ing "/bin/sh -c xxx" (where xxx is
the appropriate command).  However, C-Kermit does not treat stdin and
stdout as the communication device unless you instruct it:

            send                receive
    Kermit        kermit -l 0 -s <filename>    kermit -l 0 -r

The "-l 0" option means to use file descriptor 0 for the communication device.

In general, any program can pass any open file descriptor to C-Kermit for the
communication device in the "-l" command-line option.

(End quote)

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I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer.  It is running DOS 5,
Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01.

I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use.  I have
encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct
however and am looking for enlightenment from the net.

I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they
don't always.  I am using the VT320 emulation.  The initialization file maps
many of the other "typical" VT keys.

Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard.  If I do a SHOW KEY
on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following:

    scan code \328
    Verb: KP8 \KKP8

If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else
in-between, I get the following:

    scan code \4424
    Verb: uparr \Kuparr

Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or
right.  This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the
initialization file.  It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY.
This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the
arrow keys.  I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions
but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems.

The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller.  But, it has 12 function
keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down.

The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE or EDIT
file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and
then the arrow keys work fine!  But, the user of this notebook won't be doing
those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him...

If this is some standard PC-type keyboard thing, please forgive me.  I'm not a
pc person.

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Marlys A. Nelson            System Manager, Systems Programmer,
Academic Computing            Network Manager, etc., etc.
Univ. of WI - River Falls
Internet: [e-mail]

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Hi,

I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have
varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for:

1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete.

2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote
DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up.

3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted.

Solutions could be:

a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd

b) TSR based kermit in server mode.  This one sounds the most plausable given
a need for a small RAM foot print...

The kermit folks have any ideas?

c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool?

Thanks..



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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :(
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

| In article Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:

| >Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message
| >
| >    CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE
| >    Can't change speed to 14400

| As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt
| to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which
| you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to
| agree.  Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed.

| Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the
| connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what
| the connection speed turns out to be.

| Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should
| generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed,
| or locked.

| You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this
| way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got
| the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem.  Luckily, it could not do
| this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer.

| The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it
| and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS
| "hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit
| to "set dial speed-matching off".  See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for
| a longer explanation.

    Frank, many thanks.

    The error message went away after I followed your suggestion.
    I also took this opportunity to read pp. 60-61 of your fine
    manual which spends most of its time just sitting on my
    bookshelf (like all my books (-; ).

    By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary
    to wermit?

    Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing
    SAMPLE C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc".
    Then "Please edit this file to reflect your needs and
    preferences."  Then *nothing*.

    If I hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then
    get the C-Kermit prompt.

    Do you know what's going on?
--
[e-mail]

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Subject: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu?
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After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to
download files from the remote host by means of the host's file
download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not,
is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host
(which does not provide FTP services)?  An example of such a host
is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but
now also provides telnet services on port 23.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: How to make TCPIP32 & DIS_PKT9 coexist
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In article <ALdBlmjXlSu5076yn@OSLONETT>, Sven@OSLONETT (Sven Andreassen) writes:
> Dear all.
>
> Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a
> Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time??
>
> I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to
> the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers
> actually works pretty well.  My problem is that I can't have two
> different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet-
> driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex.
> Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13).
>
> Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before?
>
> Hope to hear from you.
>
> Sven Andreassen
> [[e-mail]]
-------
    It's not the method of reaching the board so much as having
two or more protocol stacks of the same kind operating at once. Packets
are delivered once, and hopefully (randomly...) to the right stack else
trouble. We have repeatedly stressed in the Kermit documentation to use
only one stack of a given kind over a board, with Kermit or any program.
If you wish to try the multiplexers then it is at your risk and we can't
lend a hand.
    Finally, I presume that "TCP/IP-32a" means Microsoft's stack,
right? If so that is for Windows programs, not for DOS level programs.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Thanh Ma)
Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
Organization: Encore Computer Corporation
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 03:07:33 GMT
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[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>In article <3gkt57$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
>>
>> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
>> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
>> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
>> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
>>
>> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
>> transfers.
>> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
>>
>> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.
>---------
>    No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
>think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
>fast as the others and much better in many respects.

In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ?
Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ?
(I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else)

Any benchmarks ?

Thanks,

Thanh Ma
[e-mail]

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After obtaining the:

   > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995

msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
message generated when MSKermit is initialized:

   > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995
   > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1995.

   > Type ? or HELP for help

   > Executing D:\COMM\KRMT\MSKERMIT.INI...
   > Installing patches...
   >  MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0
   > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File...
   > Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\COMM\KRMT\MSCUSTOM.INI...
   > Please edit this file to suit your needs and preferences.

   > Auto-upload and -download disabled.
   > Use SET TERMINAL APC ON to enable.

   > Setting DOS Terminal modes
   > Smile!
   > CDL-AST>

still indicated "patch level 0".

Is the "patch level 0" an indication of the patch level of the base

   kermit.exe

file I am running, or should it be an indication of the patch level
following the installation of the patches contained in msr314.pch? I
notice that if I use the:

   ver<CR>

command, I still see "patch level 0", rather than "patch level 3" which
I would expect.

I realize that the kermit.exe file on disk will not change, but I would
expect that after patches are installed, the version of kermit in memory
would reflect the installed patches. Am I doing something wrong?

Just curious ...
TIA for any light that can be shed on this subject.

--
cdl [[e-mail]] ...

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
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In article <3go00i$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Smith) writes:
> Hi,
>
> I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution:
>
> Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box
> may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem
> to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete?
>
> Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the
> DOS console??
>
> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH.  I need to provide a remote unattended
> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution.
-------------------
    Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit
file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes,
TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical
problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking
capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade
folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition,
a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of
conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user.
    There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them.
The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a
familiar and managable form.
    We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with
the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy
so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do
item on our wish list. If you are still interested then I suggest you contact
Frank da Cruz and myself and we can discuss the technical and financial
details off-line: [e-mail], [e-mail].
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (David G. Risner)
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OK, I got a few requests for this so:

PDZMODEM can be found at:

ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip

i.e.,

Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu
Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem
Filename: pdzmodem.zip


I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file:

define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4
set key \315 rz

This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key.

the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM.

The -c4 means use com port 4.

The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my
download directory.

If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me.

And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain.

David G. Risner
[e-mail]
Anaheim, CA

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Barrett)
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Hi.
Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good
file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either
give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to
get it.

Thanks
Mike Barrett
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu?
Date: 2 Feb 1995 13:58:35 GMT
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In article <3gp37d$[e-mail]>,
Boyd Fjeldsted  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to
>download files from the remote host by means of the host's file
>download menu?
>
If the remote host (service, BBS, etc) includes Kermit file transfer
capability, then: in theory, yes.  In practice, it depends on its
Kermit implementation.  Most BBS's either lack Kermit file transfer
capability, or offer a nonfunctional or barely-functional one.

>If so, what Kermit settings are required?
>
Try "set parity space".

>An example of such a host
>is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but
>now also provides telnet services on port 23.
>
Such services are becoming increasingly common.  Users of such
services are encouraged to contact the administrators and urge them
to install real Kermit software to execute the Kermit protocol.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows?
Date: 2 Feb 1995 14:02:19 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Mike Barrett <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for
>good file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can
>someone either give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie)
>or tell me where to get it.
>
A Frequently Asked Question, and one which is answered in our FAQ.

The answer is Yes.

It is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  It runs under Windows, in either full-screen
mode or in a Window, it has good file transfer, and it does Tek graphics.

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further instructions.

- Frank

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Mike Barrett ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Hi.
: Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good
: file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either
: give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to
: get it.

The standard distribution of MS-Kermit includes a PIF file to run under
Windows, but it runs very slowly.  You can speed it up by running in a
full-screen DOS window with text-only display instead of graphics, but my
486/66 system can't quite keep up with compressed text at 14.4 kbps.  The
text-only display probably won't do Tek graphics, though I haven't tried
that.  Also, the first time through my MSCUSTOM.INI file, the system
can't find COM4, but a manual TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI works.  I suppose this is
a timing problem in Windows.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Thanh Ma) writes:
> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>
>>In article <3gkt57$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
>>>
>>> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
>>> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
>>> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
>>> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
>>>
>>> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
>>> transfers.
>>> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
>>>
>>> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.
>>---------
>>    No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
>>think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
>>fast as the others and much better in many respects.
>
> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ?
> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ?
> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else)
>
> Any benchmarks ?
---------------
    Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection?
If not please do.
    Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :(
Date: 2 Feb 1995 15:13:39 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary to wermit?
>
Just so it does not have the same name as "kermit".  That way when
build a new binary, it does not automatically overwrite a previous
one, provided you had renamed the previous one to "kermit".

>Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing SAMPLE
>C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc".  Then "Please edit
>this file to reflect your needs and preferences."  Then *nothing*.  If I
>hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then get the C-Kermit prompt.
>
Please send me your .mykermrc file, and let me know exactly how you
are invoking Kermit, and also remind me exactly which kind of UNIX
this is on, which version, etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Kan)
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Subject: Kermit for OS/2 problem with 28.8
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Hi,

    I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal
fax/modem.  However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200,
the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200!  However,
I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed
of the modem.

    Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2
kermit actually support 28,800 modem.  Thank you for all the help.

    BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem?


Raymond Kan
U of Toronto


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit for OS/2 problem with 28.8
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In article <3gr574$[e-mail]>,
Raymond Kan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>    I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal
>fax/modem.  However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200,
>the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200!  However,
>I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed
>of the modem.

>    Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2
>kermit actually support 28,800 modem.  Thank you for all the help.

I use CK 5A(190) at 115200 every day.  So thoughts are that it is either a
problem with your modem, or the com drivers you are using.  Can you talk
to the modem at 115200 with other packages?

What version of OS/2 are you using?

What Comm drivers are you using?

>    BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem?

I recommend P over m2zmodem.  p205.zip is available from ftp.cdrom.com.
P is free whereas m2zmodem costs money.

P also works over networks whereas m2zmodem does not.


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"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ?
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In article <3gkfv4$[e-mail]>, MoYun <[e-mail]> writes:
> In article <[e-mail]> h79055a@kyu-cc.c
> c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>>    I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be
>> drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the
>> display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed.
>> I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed.
>>
>>    How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in
>> Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit?
>>
>
>
> However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw
> graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed.
> What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up?
>
> Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet
> similar to Ms-windows should be done.
-----------------
    This appears to be possibly a machine configuration problem, not
a Kermit one. One must be sure to protect video memory, segments A000-BFFF,
so that nothing else uses that space. The display adapter must be able
to do graphics work in using standard EGA, Herc mono, CGA modes as a default,
or if you choose VGA or VESA then those higher resolution modes too. There
is no special preparation needed outside of Kermit other than rational
machine setup for normal use.
    To help further we need more information, such as the machine
configuration and a sample LOG SESSION file (uuencoded for Mailing) to
play back locally.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dick Dee) writes:
> I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or
> MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message
> "unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications
> programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on?
-------------
    No, we don't. PCMCIA seems to be a very loose spec so the matchup
between hardware and drivers is very questionable at best. If the modem and
driver don't behave as a real UART to clients such as Kermit then it's not
behaving properly. There is nothing much I can do about it, lacking that
particular PCMCIA card, the laptop in which it is inserted, and the drivers
for it. Kermit does work fine on at least one IBM Thinkpad because I setup
that machine for a colleague. However, I have no laptop myself so please
don't ask me questions about PCMCIA and its drivers.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]> h79055a@kyu-cc.c
c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT:

> Hi:
>
>    I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be
> drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the
> display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed.
> I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed.
>
>    How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in
> Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit?
>


However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw
graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed.
What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up?

Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet
similar to Ms-windows should be done.

Thank you in advance.

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From: [e-mail] (Watson, John McClain          )
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Subject: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8?
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    Hello everyone!  I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to
use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it
says carrier 28.8  Does anyone know what the problem might be?  Thanks!

McClain Watson
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Charles Lease <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>After obtaining the:
>   > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995
>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
>message generated when MSKermit is initialized:
>   > Installing patches...
>   >  MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0
>
The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep
coming up:

Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports
that patches don't seem to "stick".  That is, after giving a PATCH command,
the patch level is still reported as 0.  This can happen if the patch file is
transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end
with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and
therefore Kermit does not see valid patches.  Cure: make sure each line ends
with CRLF.  Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode.

Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to
MSKERMIT.PCH.  Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there
must be three corresponding patch files.  For version 3.14, these are:

  MSR314.PCH  -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE
  MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE
  MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE

Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its
name.  This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion
about patching.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8?
Date: 2 Feb 1995 22:55:06 GMT
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In article <3gmdvi$[e-mail]>,
Watson, John McClain <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hello everyone!  I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to
>use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it
>says carrier 28.8  Does anyone know what the problem might be?  Thanks!
>
What version of MS-DOS Kermit?  Are you dialing manually or using a
dialing script?  Which dialing script?

Note that we do not have a dialing script for the PPI V.34 modem, but
we do have one for the PPI V.32bis model.  The changes (if any are needed)
should be straightforward.  If anybody wants to send me a copy of the
PPI V.34 command reference, I'll be glad to do any necessary adaptation.

The same goes for all the other modem brands that recently came out with
V.34 models, or, for that matter, any modem brands at all.  The more manuals
we have, the better support we can give.

To attempt to answer the question:  If you can use Kermit to dial the modem,
but the modem does not make a successful connection, this is usually
explained by the modem's configuration as to modulation, error correction,
data compression, and the fallback procedures for each.  In general, you
want to configure your modem to start at the type and work its way down,
so you get the best possible type of connection with the answering modem.

It sounds like your modem is configured to refuse to connect if it does not
negotiate a particular modulation or protocol.  Or the same could be true
of the modem on the answering end.  Many other explanations are possible too.

- Frank

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[e-mail] (Dick Dee) writes:

>I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or
>MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message
>"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications
>programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on?

>Dick Dee
>[e-mail]

I'm using an a TDK PCMCIA modem in a ZEOS colornote and I don't have any
trouble with it.  If you've got the full distribution, you should have a
KERMIT.BWR file that outlines known bugs and workarounds.
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8?
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This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know
how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (Curtiss Cicco)
Subject: CMS Kermit
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         Are there any hardware or software limitations that would
cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set
at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14

-Curtiss

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8?
Date: 3 Feb 1995 00:25:56 GMT
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In article <3grodl$[e-mail]>,
Jeffrey Altman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Watson, John McClain <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Hello everyone!  I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to
>>use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it
>>says carrier 28.8  Does anyone know what the problem might be?  Thanks!
>
>This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know
>how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message.
>
CARRIER <number> is a "call progress" message, not a call completion
message.  MS-DOS Kermit scripts such as PP14400.SCR ignore them (but
print them on the screen so the user can see what's going on).  They do
no harm at all, and in fact Kermit enables them on purpose (ATW1).

The call completion message would be CONNECT <number>.  The high-speed
MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts look for "CONNECT" and ignore the <number>,
thus keeping the interface speed fixed.

And by the way, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (the current version, released just
a couple weeks ago) supports 28800 as an interface speed, even though it
should rarely be necessary to use it (remember: when using high-speed,
error-correcting, data-compressing modems, your interface speed should
be higher than the connection speed to allow compression to do its stuff).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: CMS Kermit
Date: 3 Feb 1995 00:32:31 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Curtiss Cicco <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Are there any hardware or software limitations that would
>cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set
>at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14
>
Yes.

The packet length is determined as follows:

 1. The file receiver tells the file sender the longest packet it
    is prepared to receive.  There is a default, and then there is
    a command to let the user change the default.  The default is
    normally 94, and the command is normally "set receive
    packet-length".

 2. The file sender has a maximum size that it can send.  The size
    that is actually used by the sender is the smaller of its own
    maximum and the declared maximum of the receiver.

In the case of IBM mainframe Kermit, the maximum length it can send
generally depends on the communication method.  If it is going through
a 3270 protocol converter such as a Series/1 or 7171, the maximum length
packet is somewhere around the 3270 screen size, e.g. 24 x 80 = 1920,
give or take a few bytes.  This is a limitation of the 3270 emulation
box and/or software, and has nothing to do with Kermit.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (4th Dimension)
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Subject: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.

I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem
transfers.
Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?

If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc.

Thanks,
--
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/* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL                   */

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From: [e-mail] (Maverick Ong)
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Hi, everyone

Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet.
I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare
currently.

Hope to hear from everone soon !
thank you.






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How can I access earlier articles of this news group?
Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Curtiss Cicco) writes:
>          Are there any hardware or software limitations that would
> cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set
> at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14
>
> -Curtiss
---------
    Maximum packet size is a negotiated property, negotiated to the
largest common value. 1915 bytes is a magic limit on CMS Kermit, and it's
also more than adequate to overcome packet header overhead.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
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Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3gkt57$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
>> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14.
>> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send).
>> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in
>> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix.
[...]
>> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers?
>    No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We
>think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as
>fast as the others and much better in many respects.

Although I don't see why one would want to use [XYZ]modem transfers
when both ends have a proper Kermit, it possible to have rzsz.exe
perform your file transfers for you.  Its been a long while since
I did such a thing, but I used to connect to a host that only supported
Zmodem transfers with an older version of MS-Kermit, so it is possible,
although I don't recall using anything so nice and packaged as the
"rz" macro of C-Kermit (what I did was more like: start remote
Zmodem transfer, suspend MS-Kermit, fire-up rzsz, resume MS-Kermit).

I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and
figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14.

        --Ken Pizzini

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[e-mail] <Ken>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                            02.Feb.1995

> Select from the following transfer protocols:
>
> T - TYPE file to your screen
> C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture
> A - ASCII only, no Control Codes
> X - XMODEM
> O - XMODEM-1k
> Y - YMODEM (Batch)
> G - YMODEM-g (Batch)
> S - SEAlink
> K - KERMIT
> W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows)
> Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm)
>
> Choose one (Q to Quit):
> ---------
>     That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first
> and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at
> the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so
> the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite
> the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet
> with no modems involved.

This list looks like the venerable TBBS, which is a pretty darned
sturdy BBS, and has one of the fastest internal Kermit transfers of
internal Kermits in BBS's.  (I give TBBS great credit for keeping
various transfer protocols like ASCII with DC2/DC4 capture, variant
with no control codes, two variants of Kermit, and a sharp version
of Zmodem which is also speedy).

But I agree - the Kermit-Lite would provide *much much* better performance
than their internal variaties.   The Kermit's internal to TBBS are,
unfortunately, single-file transfer protocols, which is why multiple
file transfers failed.  I'm surprised the TBBS authors haven't
upgraded, but perhaps they never got the "nudge".  Now that more TBBS'
are getting on the Internet, at least in small doses, the authors might
consider implimenting this.  I would suggest that TBBS users/sysops
mention this to the TBBS people.

When I start calling local BBS's again (if I do :-> ) I will start
attempting to get Kermit-Lite installed on their systems, if for no
other reason but for myself :-)  It's not difficult to bring a new
product into your local BBS community (I brought BlueWave down from
college, convinced local sysops that it was a good thing) - you just
have to be persistant and truly believe in the product that you're
promoting.

>     I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look
> at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'.
> It does "the whole thing."

Agreed :-)

>     Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless.
>     Joe D.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <1995Feb1.155717@taz>, [e-mail] writes:
> I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer.  It is running DOS 5,
> Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01.
>
> I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use.  I have
> encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct
> however and am looking for enlightenment from the net.
>
> I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they
> don't always.  I am using the VT320 emulation.  The initialization file maps
> many of the other "typical" VT keys.
>
> Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard.  If I do a SHOW KEY
> on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following:
>
>     scan code \328
>     Verb: KP8 \KKP8
>
> If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else
> in-between, I get the following:
>
>     scan code \4424
>     Verb: uparr \Kuparr
>
> Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or
> right.  This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the
> initialization file.  It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY.
> This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the
> arrow keys.  I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions
> but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems.
>
> The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller.  But, it has 12 function
> keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down.
>
> The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE
>or EDIT
> file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and
> then the arrow keys work fine!  But, the user of this notebook won't be doing
> those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him...
----------------
    I'm sure it's not Kermit doing this to you but rather the Bios and
possible TSR helpers in the notebook trying to fake a conventional keyboard
from an unconventional one, and not doing very well at it. About all I can
suggest (until someone has better ideas, hint hint) is try again with the
very least number of drivers and TSRs going, then put them back one by one.
You can also try SET KEY OFF to use DOS rather than the BIOS, but some
key mappings won't come through that extra layer of software. At worst you
could in fact do that TYPE | MORE item on something tiny to fix the machine.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Access of previous articles
Date: 3 Feb 1995 15:52:39 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>How can I access earlier articles of this news group?
>
We haven't settled on a permanent archiving scheme yet, and we're not
sure that we ever will, since the amount of material will only keep
growing.  However, for the moment, and with no guarantee that it will
be there forever, or that it will not change location, or that it won't
be busted up into smaller pieces, etc, you can find the archive at:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/misc.txt

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1]
Date: 3 Feb 1995 15:57:40 GMT
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In article <3gqqse$[e-mail]>,
Maverick Ong <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet.
>I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare
>currently.
>
Then you should read the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit"
or "Using C-Kermit".  Entire chapters are devoted to teaching you
how to use the script programming language.  You can order these
books in Singapore by calling [phone].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu?
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In article <3gp37d$[e-mail]>, Boyd Fjeldsted <[e-mail]> writes:
> After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to
> download files from the remote host by means of the host's file
> download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not,
> is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host
> (which does not provide FTP services)?  An example of such a host
> is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but
> now also provides telnet services on port 23.
----------------

    Looks rather like a run of the mill telco style BBS but hooked
to the Internet, sigh. Here is what their blurbs say on the matter:
--------
August 30, 1994

    A full internet connection with this BBS is not yet available.
    There will be a message in this area when the approriate hardware has
    been installed and tested.

    To download files from this BBS it is necessary to either call via modem
    or to access the files through the annonymous ftp, or the annonymous ftp
    sections of gopher or mosaic (graphical gopher).  For gopher or mosaic,
    the annonymous ftp line appears together with the BBS under "5. Access
    Our Other Information Services"  Directories similar to the BBS ones
    appear for ftp. For example the ftp /economy contains the same files as
    the BBS Directory containing Monthly Retail Trade, Monthly Wholesale
    Trade Sales & Inventories, and Monthly Manufacturers & Trade Inventories
-More-
--------

    But if we keep going, we see the following:
--------
Select from the following transfer protocols:

T - TYPE file to your screen
C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture
A - ASCII only, no Control Codes
X - XMODEM
O - XMODEM-1k
Y - YMODEM (Batch)
G - YMODEM-g (Batch)
S - SEAlink
K - KERMIT
W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows)
Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm)

Choose one (Q to Quit):
---------
    That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first
and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at
the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so
the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite
the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet
with no modems involved.
    I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look
at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'.
It does "the whole thing."
    Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
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Subject: Re: CMS Kermit
Date: 3 Feb 1995 20:03:27 GMT
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Note that the hardware limits on buffer size depend upon the type of
connection.  Kermit recognizes those limits, but imposes them only
when it comes time to do a transfer.  Thus, you can set the packet
size to any number you want, up to 9K, but Kermit-370 negotiates the
actual packet size according to its understanding of the hardware.  In
fact, its understanding is not complete, since it is possible to set
up a 7171 terminal type with a large screen size, but Kermit doesn't
know that and isn't equipped to tell when the screen buffer would be
bigger than 1920 anyhow.  In any case, 1920 is plenty big enough for
most purposes.
                    John Chandler

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Subject: Subscribe to Kermit News
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where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for
Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the
six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code.

Addresses in other countries should include the (English) country name
on the last line, and the postal code (if any) including country prefix
(if any) on the line preceding, e.g.

  D-33100 Paderborn
  GERMANY

  N-0260 Oslo
  NORWAY

  I-20090 Assago (MI)
  ITALY

  NL-1081 HV Amsterdam
  NETHERLANDS

  New Delhi  110 017
  INDIA

  Rechovot 76300
  ISRAEL

and so on.

- Frank

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From: Hans Rehfeld <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 1/2
Date: 3 Feb 1995 16:13:44 GMT
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" Sorry, I have to split it up in two entries, the editor can
only accept 25 lines. I'm using CI$ !!!

We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a VAX
VMS Kermit
[C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92] OpenVMS VAX (server)
Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem with
bad line quality
results in the following error
Packet log of sending Kermit:
*****************************************************************
************************
Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
Rpack:
<Crunched packet>
Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
Rpack: ^A
<Timeout>
Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M
Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(WOGAPIYU '^M
Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M
----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login
packet, but is an ACK .................
Please see entry "Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2" ( Sorry!!)

--
Hans Rehfeld

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit
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Sat 28-Jan-95: Two events made it necessary to revisit my collection
of MSKermit material. The introduction of the new MSKermit version
3.14 from the Columbia University in the City of New York, and the
decision of the Finnish computer centres to impose an 8-bit Unix
standard with upper ascii Finnish characters. I have consequently
released
 :
 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip
 tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit.
 :
The following material as been added.
 FINNCHAR.TXT  Info about 8-bit Finnish charset
 KERM8BIT.INI  VT102 for mskermit 3.14+ 8-bits
 FINNISH.CMD   Use 7-bit Finnish characters
 LATIN1.CMD    Use 8-bit international chars
 MIXED.CMD     Use new 8-bit Finnish characters
I have also updated the following scripts which were no longer up to
date with the MSKermit program upgrades.
 GETBIN.CMD    Automatic file transfer to PC
 GETTEXT.CMD   Automatic file transfer to PC
 PUTBIN.CMD    Automatic file transfer from PC
 PUTTEXT.CMD   Automatic file transfer from PC
If you need the actual MSKermit program, due to distribution
policies the place to go for it is kermit.columbia.edu. Look for
/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives  193.166.120.5
Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa
Internet: [e-mail]   BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101,  Finland


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From: Hans Rehfeld <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2
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" This is the second half of the message " Kermit and bad line
conditions "

----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login
packet, but is an ACK
to the previously sent Init packet)
Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send  packet
Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M
Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M
Spack: ^A$ GL:^M
Rpack: ^A# Y>^M

The login failure is forced by receiving Kermit, because the
login packet was not received
by the receivers side
The Remote login packet is supported by both Kermits, the login
Username and password is
correct
Behaviour of sending Kermit is not correct

Please is there any solution or explanation of this ??

And, once again, sorry for any inconvenience for splitting up in
two messages, but it is very hard to type in all the control
characters and other stuff with the keybord.

--
Hans Rehfeld

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From: [e-mail] (Francis Fisher)
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Subject: Can't Kermit on new installation
Date: 2 Feb 1995 05:32:22 -0700
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Problem:  nCan't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no
trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from
my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds
from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the
new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops
quickly after 12 'bad checksums.'

One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX
and the version on NYX is, I think, the current version. Either way
it is 12 bad checksums then halt. ASCII files transfer in the expected
way. Kermit is started with the -i switch for binary transfers. I use
the command 'send xxxyyy.exe' to initiate the process. H

My suspicion is that there is either some kind of v.34 compatibility
issue or a config thing at the input of the HP. But I don't know...

Thanks....Francis Fisher


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From: [e-mail]
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Date: 4 Feb 1995 05:44:28 GMT
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One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190)
for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there
are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called
something like "XSOL.SYS".

Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron.


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <3gv47s$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190)
>for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there
>are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called
>something like "XSOL.SYS".
>

XALL.SYS

>Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron.

No, C-Kermit 5A(190) works fine with 8 port Digiboards.  Some of the
older drivers had problems.  So if you have a problem, connect to the
digiboard bbs or ftp site and get the latest OS/2 drivers.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Herb Howe)
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Subject: Kermit sliding windows on Mac
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According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the
transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long
packets and multiple sliding windows.  Does anyone know what comm
programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are
available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows?

The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu
does not work on my Mac SE, System 7.  It bombs the Mac
repeatedly.

The Claris Kermit CTB Tool 1.0 supports either long packets or
sliding windows but not both simultaneously.

VersatermPro has an internal Kermit that does not do windows.
Neither does the public-domain Kermit Tool GH 1.2 or the internal
Kermit in ZTerm 1.0b3.

Are there better CTB Tools available, either public-domain or
commercial?

Herb Howe
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
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In article <3gober$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <3go00i$[e-mail]>, Paul Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS
>>box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a
>>modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete?
>>
> No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode.  If you want to transfer
> files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things,
> then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like
> OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc.
>
> - Frank

I've successfully used two Kermits running on two serial ports at once,
once dwnloading, and the other one interactively pretty heavily.  If you
have a decent 486/33mhz it should fly jerkily pretty well.  set the properties
to allow timeslicing or background execution.  Now, to say it's a server
will allow everyone to access your machine.  How about a WEB page?  Or a
BBS?  or a elcheapo 286 dedicated to handing out the stuff, a few hundered
bucks would suffice.

just my unasked for 2cents worth.

Jim

         /^^^\   \ /   Jim Agnew         | [e-mail]  (Internet)
        /      >  ||   Neurosurgery,     | AGNEW@VCUVAX        (Bitnet)
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 /________________>    Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds.  Good luck, Jim..."


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#1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect
and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that. The
file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is
it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up
instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon.

#2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier.  Same thing with
uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the
non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and
drop carrier :(

Please help me.


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From: [e-mail] (James Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file
Message-Id: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>
Date: 4 Feb 95 02:22:22 -0500
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I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX.  We use this to
provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file.
The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like
this:

$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call

Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit
command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits.
I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit
prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer
and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this
from the manual.
--
James Harvey   [e-mail]   IUPUI IT Networks and Systems
Disclaimer:  These are my own opinions.  I do not speak for Indiana University.

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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication?
Date: 3 Feb 1995 03:17:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Charles Lease <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>After obtaining the:
>
>   > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995
>
>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
>message generated when MSKermit is initialized:
>
[poster found that patch file didn't work]

The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site
as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch
command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10).  The
solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode.
--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (Gilles Ratel 8720)
Subject: mode "host" for caller?
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  I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line
  with MS-Kermit (3.14)


           ----------                        ------------
               PC    |__modem________modem__|  PC call SERVER
             SERVER  |                      |    via command DIAL
          -----------                        -------------------
          (MS-Kermit)                           (MS-Kermit)

  What is setup for PC SERVER for
  answering and execute "get" and
  "put" from caller?
    (or, how do
      you set this PC for "host"?)


 Thanks,

 Gilles Ratel

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can't Kermit on new installation
Date: 4 Feb 1995 16:53:59 GMT
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In article <3gqjcm$[e-mail]>,
Francis Fisher <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Problem:  Can't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no
>trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from
>my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds
>from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the
>new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops
>quickly after 12 'bad checksums.'
>
Try "set parity space".  Probably you are going through a terminal
server or somesuch that is not passing 8 bits through.

This question seems to come up at least once a week, so I'd better
add it to the FAQ:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/FAQ.TXT

>One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX
>
The current version is 5A(190).  It might help too, since it knows a lot
more about HP-UX than the six-year-old version does that you are using.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit sliding windows on Mac
Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:02:32 GMT
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In article <3gqrvl$[e-mail]>, Herb Howe <[e-mail]> wrote:
>According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the
>transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long
>packets and multiple sliding windows.  Does anyone know what comm
>programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are
>available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows?
>
>The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu
>does not work on my Mac SE, System 7.  It bombs the Mac
>repeatedly.
>
Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of
programmers who are both willing and able to do the job.  I hope
the situation will change in the future.  Meanwhile, if you are
not using version 0.991(190), then you might want to give it a try.
It cures the problem (bomb) with downloading that came up under
Mac OS 7.1.  But of course, it still has other problems.

The easiest way to get the files needed for the current Mac Kermit
incarnation is through the Web:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html

Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at
Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently
needed ones being bug fixes.  Contact me if you are interested.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication?
Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:07:31 GMT
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In article <3gs782$[e-mail]>,
Armand Zakarian <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Charles Lease <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>After obtaining the:
>>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
>>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
>>message generated when MSKermit is initialized:
>[poster found that patch file didn't work]
>The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site
>as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch
>command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10).  The
>solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode.
>
"Problem" is in the eye of the beholder.

It's a text file, and it is stored in the normal text format for
the UNIX system on which you found it.  But you should not be
concerned with what the format is; you only need to know it is a
text file, and therefore transfer it in text mode.  Then it will
arrive on your PC in the correct format and it will work as
advertised.

It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: mode "host" for caller?
Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:15:30 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gilles Ratel 8720 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>  I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line
>  with MS-Kermit (3.14)
>
>           ----------                        ------------
>               PC    |__modem________modem__|  PC call SERVER
>             SERVER  |                      |    via command DIAL
>          -----------                        -------------------
>          (MS-Kermit)                           (MS-Kermit)
>
>  What is setup for PC SERVER for
>  answering and execute "get" and
>  "put" from caller?
>    (or, how do you set this PC for "host"?)
>
This is thoroughly explained in two chapters, 10 and 11, of the manual,
"Using MS-DOS Kermit", also available in French:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
  & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages.  Packaged with version 3.11 of
  MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch
  diskette.  Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre.  ISBN 2-901143-20-2.
  Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles.
  Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

Note: the French edition can also be ordered from Columbia University.
See our Web page:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

for more information, or send email to [e-mail].

Briefly, you have to put the answering modem in answer mode.
The PC that is connected to the answering modem is either running
Kermit in server mode, or, for a LIMITED "host mode" capability,
you can redirect its console to the COM port via CTTY COMx.

In the former case, you have to send Kermit packets (SEND, GET,
REMOTE DIRECTORY, etc).  In the latter case, you can type DOS
commands, but with caution -- the hazards of CTTY are explained
in the manual.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file
Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:23:29 GMT
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In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>,
James Harvey <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX.  We use this to
>provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file.
>The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like
>this:
>
>$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call
>
I think that should be:

$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call

VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in
quotes.  If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-)

>Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit
>command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits.
>I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit
>prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer
>and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this
>from the manual.
>
Pages 316 and 323.

It's the "-S" option (uppercase), for "Stay":

$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" "-S" = number-to-call

I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though.  When you invoke a
command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this
should not cause an automatic exit.  (Of course, Kermit will exit if the
command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.)  So any of the following
should work:

$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call

$ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM
Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:59:12 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
WEBB ADAM W <[e-mail]> wrote:
>#1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect
>and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that.
>
How?

>The file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is
>it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up
>instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon.
>
Could you please be more specific about exactly which versions of Kermit
you have on each end, and the exact nature of the connection?  What
kinds of modems, etc?

If, indeed, you told one (or both) Kermit(s) to SET PARITY EVEN, then
the most likely problem is a lack of effective flow control in the
uploading direction.  The current version of Kermit for Linux,
C-Kermit 5A(190), supports hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control, and that's
what you should tell Kermit to use, and you should also configure your
modem to use it to.  After that, you're at the mercy of whatever is on
the other end of the connection -- modem, terminal server, host, etc.
If any of these are misconfigured as to flow control, etc, you will
probably need to crank the packet length down to the largest size that
will squeeze through.

Also, you might try SET PARITY SPACE rather than SET PARITY EVEN, since
an actual requirement for even parity is increasingly rare these days,
and those parity bits might actually be causing trouble.

>#2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier.  Same thing with
>uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the
>non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and
>drop carrier :(  Please help me.
>
I'll need more details about the connection and the software versions.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Brush)
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Subject: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =)
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I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line:
Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu            7n1 echo:rem ANSI ....
Ok but it does vt320 emulation.
only when I change it to say this:
Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu         8n1 echo:rem ANSI ....
will it do ANSI emulation.
Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is
by doing this:
<alt-x>
MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320
MS-Kermit> c
<hit  enter a few times>
<alt-x>
MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi
MS-Kermit> c
and boom I have ansi emulation again.
So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file?
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?

-Ken-
"You can't change the world
 But you can change the facts
 And when you change the facts
 You change points of view
 If you change points of view
 You may change a vote
 And when you change a vote
 You may change the world"
-Depeche Mode

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2
Date: 4 Feb 1995 18:25:20 GMT
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In article <3gtl0h$62h$[e-mail]>,
Hans Rehfeld  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a
> C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, OpenVMS VAX (server).
>
The current versions are 3.14 and 5A(190), respectively.

> Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem
> with bad line quality results in the following error.
> Packet log of sending Kermit:
>
> Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
> Rpack: <Crunched packet>
> Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
> Rpack: ^A <Timeout>
> Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M
> Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M
> Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(xxxxxx '^M
> Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M
> ----------> The received packet above is not an ACK to the login
> packet, but is an ACK to the previously sent Init packet)
> Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send packet
> Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M
>
Unfortunately, this can happen.  The packet sequence number resets to
zero after each "transaction".  The I-Y sequence is considered a
transaction, and the REMOTE LOGIN packet starts another transaction.
So in a case like yours, in which the ACK to the I packet is
transmitted more than once (due to timeouts or checksum failures) and
the second or subsequent ACK is delayed, and arrives after the G packet
is sent, it can indeed be misinterpreted as the ACK to the G packet.
But no harm is done, because any resulting "packet skew" will be
caught as the transaction proceeds.

> Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M
> Spack: ^A$ GL:^M
> Rpack: ^A# Y>^M
>
The standard C-Kermit server does not support the REMOTE LOGIN feature.
That is, the server will not log you in to VMS, and it does not even
recognize the REMOTE LOGIN packet.  I must say I am somewhat mystified
at the "Login failure" message above, because the response should have
been:

  Unimplemented REMOTE command

So I think somebody must have made some local changes to your version
of C-Kermit.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Brush) writes:
> I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line:
> Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu            7n1 echo:rem ANSI ....
> Ok but it does vt320 emulation.

    No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit
device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the
world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it.
I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well.
    Joe D.

> only when I change it to say this:
> Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu         8n1 echo:rem ANSI ....
> will it do ANSI emulation.
> Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is
> by doing this:
> <alt-x>
> MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320
> MS-Kermit> c
> <hit  enter a few times>
> <alt-x>
> MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi
> MS-Kermit> c
> and boom I have ansi emulation again.
> So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file?
> Anyone? Anyone?
> Bueller?

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: mode "host" for caller?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes:
>   I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line
>   with MS-Kermit (3.14)
>
>
>            ----------                        ------------
>                PC    |__modem________modem__|  PC call SERVER
>              SERVER  |                      |    via command DIAL
>           -----------                        -------------------
>           (MS-Kermit)                           (MS-Kermit)
>
>   What is setup for PC SERVER for
>   answering and execute "get" and
>   "put" from caller?
>     (or, how do
>       you set this PC for "host"?)
-----------
    On the server side tell the modem to autoanswer. Set the port
to the proper COMx and speed etc within Kermit. Tell Kermit to be a
server. That's it. Read more about it in the documentation, particularly
the user's manual "Using MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK HELP screens.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Watson, John McClain          )
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Help with 28.8 connection!!  *Please Read*
Date: 4 Feb 1995 21:20:07 GMT
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    Hello all!  I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble
configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem.  It seems as if all of the modem
scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed
into them.  For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try
to dial, I get this message.
            Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28
            Unable to set speed at 28800

    Hence, I canot dial out.  Does anyone know how I could solve this
problem and get 28800 conections?  Thanks a million!

McClain Watson
[e-mail]
Appalachian State University
Boone, N.C. 28608


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The probelm has been solved by setting GDC CLOCK for the PC to 2.5.


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I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here
goes...

Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it
on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit).

Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it?

Thanks in advance

Jim Leftwich
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Help with 28.8 connection!!  *Please Read*
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In article <3h0r27$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Watson, John McClain          ) writes:
>     Hello all!  I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble
> configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem.  It seems as if all of the modem
> scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed
> into them.  For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try
> to dial, I get this message.
>             Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28
>             Unable to set speed at 28800
>
>     Hence, I canot dial out.  Does anyone know how I could solve this
> problem and get 28800 conections?  Thanks a million!
------------
    1. If you read the modem's manual again I think you will discover
that it recommends running the comms program to modem part at about 4 times
the telco signaling speed. So try SET SP 57600 or even 115200 and let the
modem lock the computer interface at that speed.
    2. Please do read the modem information provided in the MSK
distribution set so you can pick up as many useful hints as possible.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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In article <3go7qe$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini) writes: :In article <[e-mail]>,
:I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and
:figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14.

 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip
 tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit.

   All the best, Timo

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Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote.
Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it
does ?)

Thank you.
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From: [e-mail] (Thanh Ma)
Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Thanh Ma) writes:
>> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>>
>>>In article <3gkt57$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
>>>>
>    Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection?
>If not please do.
>    Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware.

I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal' channel.
How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every PC that I sell?
(a few guys in customer service deparment would like to have access
to every PC that we ship. They need to do file transfer from time to time. )

It looks like I will need to pay $20.00 per box if I go with zmodem.

Any better ideas ?
This is in Unixware (SVR4.2) enviromment.

Thanh Ma
[e-mail]

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Subject: problem with transmit under MSK 3.14
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I'm running MSK 3.14 patch level 3 with the BNU 1.70 FOSSIL under
Novell DOS 7 (with update 10 applied).

When doing a transmit of a single line file to the Unixware machine here,
my machine (with a CGA video card) went into 40 column mode.

Doing a push then mode co80 fixed things.

Anyone else experienced this?

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3h1n91$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (G. DIMITOGLOU) writes:
>
> Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote.
> Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it
> does ?)
---------------
    MS-DOS Kermit (please do explain your context, thanks):
    TAKE filename         to read commands from that file
    SET TAKE ECHO ON    to see commands executed

    HELP            to see name of the User's Manual

    Joe D.

-8-223-5082
>               [e-mail], [e-mail]
---------------
    The remote host echoed something like ESC [ m to you, and while
doing script commands video displaying is accomplished by DOS. ANSI.SYS
is crippled and puts you into 40 column mode (see the docs on ANSI.SYS
in your DOS books). Cure: SET INPUT ECHO OFF.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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In article <3gqqse$[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
:Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet.

The best way is to learn by example together with the Kermit book. I
am confident that Frank will give you the pointer to the latter.
Here is one pointer to the former.

 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip
 tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, James Leftwich <[e-mail]> writes:
> I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here
> goes...
    Correct, not the appropriate News group.

> Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it
> on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit).
>
> Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it?

    Lessee now. You want others to do your thinking and lead you by the
hand, and probably take the flak if you are unhappy. What a deal!
    May I make a humble suggestion of trying the items of interest to you
and forming opinions based on your particular circumstances. Pointers on how
to get started are sprinkled through the traffic in this group.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Brush) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Brush) writes:
>>
>>     No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit
>> device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the
>> world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it.
>> I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well.
>>     Joe D.
>
> Ok then how do I change from a 7-bit to an 8-bit display?
> And how come you can type set term typ ansi and have it in 7-bit mode if it
> doesn't handle ANSI color?
-----------
    Let's separate these items.
    SET DISPLAY  or  SET TERM BYTESIZE 7 or 8
    Color has nothing to do with 7 or 8
it comms channels. Color is set
by CSI 30's and/or 40's m, or in 7-bit form ESC [ 30's and/or 40's m.
    The above are in the user's manual and the distribution docs.
    If the remote host is sending material in 8-bit form to a client
which is not 8-bit compatible (and VT100's are 7-bit devices) then the high
bit is lost and confusion will result.
        I wish to emphasize that VMS knows nothing about "ANSI" terminal
kinds, so please use a kind it does recognize such as the handy VT320
which is an 8-bit terminal kind too.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Norbert Hanke)
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In article <3h0c8j$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
...
>
>It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format.
>
>- Frank
That's one reason to use kermit for file transfer ... :-)

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From: [e-mail] (Paul Coen)
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In article <3grnfb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports
> that patches don't seem to "stick".  That is, after giving a PATCH command,
> the patch level is still reported as 0.  This can happen if the patch file is
> transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end
> with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and
> therefore Kermit does not see valid patches.  Cure: make sure each line ends
> with CRLF.  Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode.
>

There's one other way for this to happen -- if you don't have the fixed release
of 3.14 from January 18th, but instead have the initial "final" release,
the patch files won't work because it's the wrong version.

I managed to ftp the new version, and then forgot to actually install
it, and later spent about ten minutes trying to figure out why the patch
files wouldn't work.

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From [e-mail] Mon Feb  6 17:34:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
Date: 6 Feb 1995 11:34:32 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH.  I need to provide a remote unattended
>> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution.
>-------------------
>    Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit
>file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes,
>TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical
>problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking
>capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade
>folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition,
>a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of
>conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user.

I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used
with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls
in the background.  It is running on many machines without causing too
much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible.  It appears
to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size
is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and
login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of
this package.  I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME
attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication.

>    There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them.
>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a
>familiar and managable form.

All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory.  A 60K TSR
can find a cheaper home.

>    We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with
>the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy
>so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do
>item on our wish list.

I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is
a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the
form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any
host on the other end.  Especially if it could easily be set up to
transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit
server and a native mail system at the host side.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Raul Deluth Miller)
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Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers?
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Thanh Ma:
   I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal'
   channel.  How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every
   PC that I sell?  (a few guys in customer service deparment would
   like to have access to every PC that we ship. They need to do file
   transfer from time to time. )

Short answer: if you don't charge for kermit, you don't have to pay
for it.

Complicating factors: if you're in a position to pay them for it, it's
a good idea to buy what you want from Columbia University (this has to
do with the long-term viability of kermit).  And then there's
support...

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From [e-mail] Mon Feb  6 19:43:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raul Deluth Miller)
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Subject: ^J...^M...|kermit
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I'm trying to figure out how to get C-Kermit in connection mode to
distinguish between a control J and a control M when feeding it from a
pipe.

What I want is for a control J to pass through unaltered, and a
control M to pass through unaltered -- this works fine if kermit is
talking directly to the controlling tty, but if I try and filter the
input to kermit things don't work so well.  I'm preceeding the call to
the filter and kermit with `stty -echo raw`.

Thanks.

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From [e-mail] Mon Feb  6 17:38:01 1995
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From: Andrew Morrow <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) wrote:

> Addresses in Canada should end with:
>
>   City XX  lnl nln
>   CANADA
>
> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for
> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the
> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code.

PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving
DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a
classification name as part of the abbreviation.

If you get a subscription with QC will your software choke, or will you
just pass it on to the Canadian postal service which fortunately can
handle both abbreviations?

Andrew.
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  ((( o )))    Director, Software Development  Montreal, Quebec
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From: [e-mail] (Timothy Newsham)
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Subject: C-kermit maximum wait time
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Hi,

   This question is reguarding C-Kermit scripting not the kermit
protocol.  Is this the proper place?

   I have a script that waits for input on the serial line,
writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output.  The program
needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes.   What is
the maximum value I can use to wait with?  It seems that
the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so
with the current values I'm using.  Since I quit if the wait
fails the script stops running.   (The reason I quit if the
wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script,
otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending
a shutdown command over the serial line).

Please cc: me a copy of any posted responses since I dont
follow this group.

                              Tim N.

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From: [e-mail] (Kevin Weise)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking
Date: 6 Feb 1995 16:09:25 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>
>| In article <[e-mail]>, Jim Nakamura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>| >
>| >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the
>| >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking.  This problem does not show up
>| >on other comm programs.
>
>> Random characters at the current cursor position?
>    Yes.  About a character or two every half minute.
>> Random characters at some other position?
>    No.
>> Is it reproducible?  Do these random characters occur often enough that
>> you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me?
>    Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn".
>> Could you please define "leaking"?
>    "O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at
>    random intervals at the cursor screen).
>> Are you using hardware flow control?
>    Yes.
>--
>[e-mail]

Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know
the execution environment.  However, what it sounds like to me is PON
over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service).  Are
you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines?  If so, it
must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and
Kermit is *not* the problem.  More modern modems, esp. those with error-
correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only
if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem.  If you
are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server),
then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
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In article <3h5mj8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH.  I need to provide a remote unattended
>>> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution.
>>-------------------
>>    Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit
>>file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes,
>>TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical
>>problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking
>>capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade
>>folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition,
>>a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of
>>conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user.
>
> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used
> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls
> in the background.  It is running on many machines without causing too
> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible.  It appears
> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size
> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and
> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of
> this package.  I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME
> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication.

    Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece
which does not attract much attention by itself.

>>    There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them.
>>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a
>>familiar and managable form.
>
> All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory.  A 60K TSR
> can find a cheaper home.

    So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such.

>>    We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with
>>the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy
>>so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do
>>item on our wish list.
>
> I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is
> a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the

    I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not
a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming
a parts supplier for free.
        Joe D.

> form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any
> host on the other end.  Especially if it could easily be set up to
> transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit
> server and a native mail system at the host side.
>
> Les Mikesell
>   [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Y. Wang)
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Subject: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit
Date: 7 Feb 1995 02:54:37 GMT
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Hi,

I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I use
the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of legal AT
command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone number. I got
the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response, retry... (or something
like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it hang up. What's wrong? I can
use the same AT command in other communication program, why I can't use it here?
How can I solve this problem? Please help. Thanks for any information.

Ye

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Subject: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers
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 I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to obtain the data
n the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system
perating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available
Bob Cox

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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop)
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Subject: interesting from OMEN
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 20:29:20 -0700
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Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit
news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this
claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are
interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You
can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to
/users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode).

Jeff


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From: [e-mail] (David Huguet)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit script to load password?
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I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker"
which I suppose is supposed to contain my password.  I tried creating it
with
input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't connect
right.  It looks like it reads the password correctly, but then when it submits
it to the password authentication server, I always get error messages.  I am
thinking that perhaps it is typing it in all caps or something that would make
it unreadable to the server.  I would appreciate it if anyone out there who knows
how to do kermit scripts at all could look at this script and tell me what I need
to put in my "mypass.ker" script for it to work.  Thanks a lot.

here is the script that calls "mypass.ker":
:GETPSWD
    if INPATH mypass.ker goto PASSFILE
    echo
    echo {Please enter your password now (the one for Personal ID "\m(NWAPersonalID)"}
    askq Passwd {   and IP Address "\m(NWTIPAddr)"), or "quit" to give up: \7}
    if EQUAL x x\m(Passwd) goto GETPSWD
    if NOT EQUAL xquit x\m(Passwd) goto END
    ErrMsg {User entered "quit" in response to password prompt.}
    Open Write UserQuit.FLG
    Write File "User Canceled"
    Close Write

    set errorlevel 6
    goto END

:PASSFILE
    ProgMsg {Loading password with MYPASS.KER...}
    take mypass.ker

END

thank you in advance.

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From: [e-mail] (Nackil Sung)
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Subject: tn3270 and Kermit
Date: 7 Feb 1995 01:55:10 GMT
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I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed
and the script.  One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of
using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe.  I guess Kermit dose
not support tn3270.  Is this true?  If it is, anybody who have made it work?
Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future?
FYI, I use 'tn3270 uicmvsa.aiss.uiuc.edu' to access Illinet online. I
will extremely appriciate it if you find a way to use Kermit instead of
tn3270.  Thanx
Nackil

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From: [e-mail] (Raymond Steven Kutai)
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When I run kermit, a warning showed up:
 $kermit
 Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator.
 C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x
 ...
I recently noticed the Warning line when I added
.kermrc to my home dir.  My .kermrc looks like this:

set send pac 9024
set blo 3
set win 31

I wrote the file using emacs.  So far I haven't experienced
anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if
the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to
my home dir.  Is there anyway to correct the problem and still
keep my own .kermrc?

Thank you much.

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From: [e-mail] (Dwight Hugget)
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Subject: redial macro for os/2C-Kermit
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is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit?
anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro.

thanks
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: tn3270 and Kermit
Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:39:17 GMT
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In article <3h6jtu$[e-mail]>,
Nackil Sung <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed
>and the script.  One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of
>using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe.  I guess Kermit dose
>not support tn3270.  Is this true?
>
True.

>If it is, anybody who have made it work?
>Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future?
>
Yes.

In the meantime, you can use a separate tn3270 program on your PC,
or you can access the mainframe through a 3270 emulator -- a special-
purpose box such as an IBM 7171, a terminal server that has 3270 emulation
built in, or by telnet'ing from Kermit to (say) a UNIX system and using
tn3270 from there to the mainframe.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit
Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:43:54 GMT
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In article <3h6ndd$[e-mail]>,
Y. Wang <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I
>use the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of
>legal AT command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone
>number. I got the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response,
>retry... (or something like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it
>hang up. What's wrong?
>
The default port is COM1.  If your modem is on a different port, then
you'll have to tell Kermit to "set port 2" (or whatever).  You also have
to tell Kermit to use a speed that the modem can understand.  For example,
if I have my speed set to 57600, my Hayes 2400 will not respond to AT
commands.

Please read the section on troubleshooting DIAL commands in the manual,
"Using C-Kermit".  There are a surprising number of things that can go
wrong.

If that doesn't help, send a more detailed description of the problem
(what kind of modem you have, what XXXXX is, etc) to [e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Q: C-Kermit 5A(189)
Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:48:57 GMT
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In article <3h726u$[e-mail]>,
Raymond Steven Kutai <[e-mail]> wrote:
>When I run kermit, a warning showed up:
> $kermit
> Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator.
> C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x
> ...
>I recently noticed the Warning line when I added
>.kermrc to my home dir.  My .kermrc looks like this:
>
>set send pac 9024
>set blo 3
>set win 31
>
>I wrote the file using emacs.  So far I haven't experienced
>anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if
>the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to
>my home dir.  Is there anyway to correct the problem and still
>keep my own .kermrc?
>
Each line in a UNIX text file, including the final line, is supposed
to be terminated by a linefeed character.  The message means that
the final line in your .kermrc file does not end with a linefeed.
Kermit still reads and executes the final line, however, at least if
it is a valid Kermit command.  Not all other programs will necessarily
be so forgiving, so you should get the file back into EMACS and put
a linefeed at the end (ESC >, then press Enter or return, then save
the file).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: redial macro for os/2C-Kermit
Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:51:13 GMT
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In article <3h727s$ql4$[e-mail]>,
Dwight Hugget <[e-mail]> wrote:
>is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit?
>anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro.
>
Some macros are left as "exercises for the reader".

Try this:

  define myredial redial, while fail { redial, sleep 30 }

Embellish as desired.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers
Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:56:05 GMT
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In article <3h74eo$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to
> obtain the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the
> Nicolet operating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version
> available?
>
From the Kermit Digest, V20 #1, 25 Aug 94.  I don't know if FTIR is the same
as any of the computers listed below, but if it is, you've got your Kermit
program:

Date: 2 July 1994
From: Peter McClintock <[e-mail]>
Subject: Nicolet NIC-80 Kermit

I have written a Kermit for Nicolet data-processors in the NIC-80 series
(LAB-80, NMR-80, MED-80, BNC-12).  Although it provides a relatively simple
implementation of the protocol, it will open up a new dimension to many
enthusiasts for these ancient machines.  The main usage in practice is
likely to be in transferring averaged spectra or other data to a mainframe,
workstation or PC for further analysis or for plotting with modern plotting
packages.  But the Kermit will, of course, also enable Nicolet users to
exchange programmes and data with each other on a world-wide basis.

To get started there is a choice of two options -

  (a) Obtain the sourcecode from Kermit Distribution, type it in, assemble
  it, and generate and de-bug the executable programme according to the
  instructions, all on the Nicolet.

(The source code is in kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/c/nic*.*.)

  (b) Ask me for a copy of the binary.  This can be supplied on paper tape;
  alternatively, send me a formatted 8-inch floppy, or front-loading
  Diablo-30 cartridge, onto which the binary can be stored.

For option (b), there is a $100 handling charge (waived if the applicant
can offer new NIC-80 software of comparable utility in return).  Please make
cheques payable to "University of Lancaster".

Once the initial version of the Kermit is installed and running on a given
system, future updates can obviously be received by ftp or e-mail, using the
current Kermit to download them from the receiving machine to the NIC-80 on
which they are to be used.

Mailing address for disks:
  P V E McClintock,
  School of Physics and Materials,
  University of Lancaster,
  LANCASTER  LA1 4YB,  UK.




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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Chuck Forsberg at Omen had some legitimate beefs, I think, but after
following the debate ad nauseum last year in comp.dcom.modems, I found
myself having less and less sympathy for his position.  Mr. Forsberg
ranted for months that there was a conspiracy at Columbia to besmirch
the good name of ZMODEM.  Eventually I read the Kermit News article and
didn't see it that way.  In the end, I concluded that the best ZMODEM
implementation is slightly faster than the best KERMIT implementation,
at least some of the time.  For me, the speed difference was insignificant
compared to the price difference and the support difference.  Granted, the
latter was speculation on my part.  I read Frank's books and compared his
c.d.m postings to Chuck's and decided it would be no contest.
--

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-kermit maximum wait time
Date: 7 Feb 1995 17:20:03 GMT
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In article <3h63lo$[e-mail]>,
Timothy Newsham <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a script that waits for input on the serial line,
>writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output.  The program
>needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes.   What is
>the maximum value I can use to wait with?  It seems that
>the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so
>with the current values I'm using.
>
It depends on "sizeof int" in the C compiler that generated your
version of C-Kermit.  The INPUT timeout is a signed integer, so
the maximum value would be two raised to the <number-of-bits-in-
an-integer>'th power, minus 1.  So for 16-bit integers, it would
be 65535 seconds, which is indeed only about 76% of a day.  For
32-bit integers, of course, the maximum timeout would be way bigger.

>Since I quit if the wait
>fails the script stops running.   (The reason I quit if the
>wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script,
>otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending
>a shutdown command over the serial line).
>
There's always a way.  For example, you could simply make a loop
that executes infinitely, and waits for an hour, or 12 hours, or
whatever, until the input arrives.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used
>> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls
>> in the background.  It is running on many machines without causing too
>> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible.  It appears
>> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size
>> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and
>> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of
>> this package.  I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME
>> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication.
>
>    Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece
>which does not attract much attention by itself.

Yes, but it is the piece that, at the moment, can't be replaced.  Worse,
it ties us to a peculiar piece of software at the unix host side since
we are running our own hub instead of using the attmail service.  This
in turn ties us to a particular version of unix.

>>>    There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them.
>>>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a
>>>familiar and managable form.
>>
>> All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory.  A 60K TSR
>> can find a cheaper home.
>
>    So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such.

Yes, that's what people buy now, but they don't discard the older machines,
they just get passed down to someone else who still needs email access.

>> I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is
>> a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the
>
>    I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not
>a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming
>a parts supplier for free.

I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such
a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it
fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything
else on the cheap.  The other components needed to put a workable
system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware
forms that could be glued together to build a custom system.  For
example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup
readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus.
The critical points to making it usable are that the end points
appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines,
and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled
calls in the background as an option.

But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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Subject: Re: kermit script to load password?
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In article <3h6hae$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Huguet) writes:
> I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker"
> which I suppose is supposed to contain my password.  I tried creating it
> with
> input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't From [e-mail] Tue Feb  7 13:37:42 1995
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Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a
UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in
after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to
prevent this? V3.13 does not do this.


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From [e-mail] Wed Feb  8 01:06:10 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN
Date: 8 Feb 1995 01:06:10 GMT
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Jeff Bishop <[e-mail]> says:
|Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the
|kermit news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It
|surely attacks this claim and find it based with pretty interesting
|facts. If any of you are interested in reading this article (complete
|with gif pictures) read on. You can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in
|as anonymous. Once here, cd to /users/j/jbishop and get the file
|knewstru.zip (in binary mode).

I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation
I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience.  His writing style
is--um--bizzare, to say the least.
--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  ([e-mail])|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
     Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell
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From [e-mail] Tue Feb  7 18:14:44 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Scott Carpenter)
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Subject: Kermit and NT
Date: 7 Feb 1995 18:14:44 GMT
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I have just been given the job of porting all of our
applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I
need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to
another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over
the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I
can't get the telnet function to work. Any
suggestions?


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From: [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos)
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Subject: Help With Sessions Under MSK
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I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my
desk.  I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that
the screen gets cleared.  Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being
sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one
switches back to the session.

So, my two questions.  1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the
screen whenever I switch sessions?  and 2) how can I have kermit not
send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on
whenever I switch a session?

Are these even possible?  Skimming through `The Book' I couldn't find
an answer.  Now, it's entirely possible that I missed something
(wouldn't be the first time).  So, if it is covered in the
documentation, could someone please tell me the relevant page numbers
at least.

Thanks in advance...

        --Jerry

--
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From [e-mail] Wed Feb  8 03:50:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and NT
Date: 8 Feb 1995 03:50:21 GMT
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In article <3h8dak$[e-mail]>,
Scott Carpenter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have just been given the job of porting all of our
>applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I
>need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to
>another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over
>the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I
>can't get the telnet function to work. Any
>suggestions?
>

OS/2 C-Kermit does not work with NT 3.5 in any mode.

NEtwork connections ae absolutely out of the question since they
are not part of the base OS/2 functionality and were not
replicated by Microsoft.


Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers?
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Date: 7 Feb 95 13:55:35 MDT
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In article <3h8611$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used
>>> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls
>>> in the background.  It is running on many machines without causing too
>>> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible.  It appears
>>> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size
>>> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and
>>> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of
>>> this package.  I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME
>>> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication.
    <omitting much>
>>    I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not
>>a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming
>>a parts supplier for free.
>
> I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such
> a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it
> fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything
> else on the cheap.  The other components needed to put a workable
> system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware
> forms that could be glued together to build a custom system.  For
> example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup
> readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus.
> The critical points to making it usable are that the end points
> appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines,
> and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled
> calls in the background as an option.
>
> But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications.
----------------
    I think the time passed in the early 70's when Unix grew up,
even though there is a modern resurgence this year as "service providers"
appear in every other garage to guide folks to the ISH.
    There is always a need for someone(s) to make working systems from
components. However, the Kermit designers may not be interested in spending
their own time and effort in such work (they too, like everyone, have plans
and goals). Hence a contractural arrangement would be needed to create the
group to do the special job.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a
> UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in
> after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to
> prevent this? V3.13 does not do this.
----------------
    It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could
elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual
useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment
for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (James Harvey)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file
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In article <3h0d6h$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>,
> James Harvey <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX.  We use this to
>>provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file.
>>The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like
>>this:
>>
>>$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call
>>
> I think that should be:
>
> $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call
>
> VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in
> quotes.  If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-)

You're right of course.  I had overlooked the doublequotes, which caused
the command to work as long as there was an exit command in the command
file.  When I tried to take it out, I would get a command syntax error
(correctly because of the missing filespec argument to the unquoted -Y
option which was now really a -y option).  I should have mentioned that,
but I thought it was unrelated (yes, I should know better :)

    [snip]
>
> I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though.  When you invoke a
> command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this
> should not cause an automatic exit.  (Of course, Kermit will exit if the
> command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.)  So any of the following
> should work:
>
> $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call
>
> $ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call

Yes, this works perfectly.  Thanks!

P.S.: Nice work on 5A(190).  I like the bugfix for flow control on the
console (edit 061 to ckvtio.c).  Now I can toss my last patch! (well,
except for our wacky custom modem-dialer code)
--
James Harvey   [e-mail]   IUPUI IT Networks and Systems
Disclaimer:  These are my own opinions.  I do not speak for Indiana University.
I spilt spot remover on my dog and now he's gone.

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From: [e-mail] (Evan Leibovitch)
Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News
Message-Id: <[e-mail]>
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In article <3h5mpp$[e-mail]>,
    Andrew Morrow  <[e-mail]> wrote:

>> Addresses in Canada should end with:

>>   City XX  lnl nln
>>   CANADA

>> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for
>> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the
>> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code.

Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l'  alpha only.

>PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving
>DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a
>classification name as part of the abbreviation.

PQ was (and still is) useful in many non-postal contexts, to
differetiate Quebec the province from Quebec the city (and the
province's capitol). Only Anglos refer to it as Quebec City, the
proper French usage is to refer to both as "Quebec", thus the reference
to PQ.

Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll
deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it.

--
 Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
       Novell Unix Master Reseller / [e-mail] / [phone]
                A happy traveller on the information sidewalk

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Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication?
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In a previous article, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) says:

>In article <[e-mail]>,
>Charles Lease <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>After obtaining the:
>>   > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995
>>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the
>>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up
>>message generated when MSKermit is initialized:
>>   > Installing patches...
>>   >  MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0
>>
>The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep
>coming up:
>
>Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports
>that patches don't seem to "stick".  That is, after giving a PATCH command,
>the patch level is still reported as 0.  This can happen if the patch file is
>transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end
>with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and
>therefore Kermit does not see valid patches.  Cure: make sure each line ends
>with CRLF.  Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode.
>
>Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to
>MSKERMIT.PCH.  Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there
>must be three corresponding patch files.  For version 3.14, these are:
>
>  MSR314.PCH  -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE
>  MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE
>  MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE
>
>Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its
>name.  This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion
>about patching.
>
>- Frank
>

Thanks to you and Armand (in later posting concerning patch indication)
for your help with "Patch" installation. You were correct in
indicating that patch file was in "UNIX" format rather than "DOS".
I used a unix2dos utility to convert the <CR> to <CR><LF> and now
the patch file installs correctly, leaving me at:

   Installing patches...
    MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3
   MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File...

I transferred the patch files in "binary" mode originally, since
I was concerned that it might need to be that way to perform the
patch process. I guessed wrong.

To help reduce this sort of problem in the future, I wonder if it
might be a good idea to post a .zip archive of patches only, in
addition to the unix format text files. The patches in the archive
could be in the proper DOS format, as they are in the original
distribution archive. I think if I had the choice to get one archive
or the individual files, I would probably go for the archive. Are
the .pch files used on any system other than DOS? C-Kermit is compiled,
so patches wouldn't seem to be needed there.

A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation,
or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for
Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to
look for one.

Again thanks for the help. Kermit has always been a valuable resource to
me, even from the earliest v2.26 (DOS) that I used.

--
cdl [[e-mail]] ...

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From: [e-mail] (alan steinweis)
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Can somebody help me with a basic question? (The help desk at my system
is not occupied at this hour, and the on-line documentation is not
up-to-date.)

What are the basic commands needed for preparing Unix to send/receive
files using zmodem? I know I'm supposed to start with sz, but
thereafter?


Thanks!





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From [e-mail] Wed Feb  8 08:06:33 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking
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[e-mail] (Kevin Weise) writes:

| Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know
| the execution environment.  However, what it sounds like to me is PON
| over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service).  Are
| you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines?  If so, it
| must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and
| Kermit is *not* the problem.  More modern modems, esp. those with error-
| correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only
| if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem.  If you
| are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server),
| then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be.

Well I switched back to kermit (188) and the problem went away.  The
problem only manifested itself on the "nn" newsreader anyway, so
I thought maybe there was an incommpatibility.  :(  I am using the
new USR 28.8 internal modem.  Maybe that's the problem.  :(
Oh well.


--
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: FAQ (was: Kermit patch level indication?)
Date: 8 Feb 1995 13:49:58 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Charles Lease <[e-mail]> wrote:
>A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation,
>or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for
>Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to
>look for one.
>
It's online:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT

or:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/e/faq.txt

- Frank


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK
Date: 8 Feb 1995 13:56:30 GMT
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In article <3h8mda$[e-mail]>,
Jerry Alexandratos <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my
>desk.  I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that
>the screen gets cleared.  Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being
>sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one
>switches back to the session.
>
>So, my two questions.  1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the
>screen whenever I switch sessions?
>
You can't.  Each session has its own screen.  But all the sessions share
the same rollback buffer, so if you want to view a screen from (say)
session 1 while in session 2, you can clear the screen in session 1
before switching to session 2, and then when in session 2 you can push
Page Up to view the cleared session 1 screen.  Clear?  :-)

>and 2) how can I have kermit not
>send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on
>whenever I switch a session?
>
You should not be using Xon/Xoff flow control on a TCP/IP connection.
TCP and IP provide their own flow control, which is far more effective
than Xon/Xoff.  Just tell Kermit to SET FLOW NONE.

In fact, if you use the TELNET macro that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit,
it sets everything up for you this way.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News
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In article <[e-mail]>, Evan Leibovitch <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3h5mpp$[e-mail]>,
>>> Addresses in Canada should end with:
>>>   City XX  lnl nln
>>>   CANADA
>>> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for
>>> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the
>>> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code.
>Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l'  alpha only.
>
Hence the ":-)"

>>PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving
>>DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a
>>classification name as part of the abbreviation.
>
Canberra, ACT (Australian Capitol Territory) is another.

>Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll
>deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it.
>
Thanks.  I'll await official word on the political correctness of Canadian
postal addresses.

In fact, I'm kind of a postal address trivia collector, so any other hints
about postal addresses in any country are most welcome, especially in the
next few weeks, as the Kermit News mailing is being assembled.  (Don't
bother to tell me about the new German postal codes -- that's already
taken care of.)

In particular, many European (and perhaps other) countries have a country
prefix on their postal codes, such as:

  D-79011 Freiburg      (GERMANY)
  NL-1081 HV Amsterdam  (NETHERLANDS)
  PL-40-873 Katowice    (POLAND)
  SF-33560 Tampere      (FINLAND) (*)

etc.  I believe these are ad-hoc creations; they are not ISO 2-letter or
3-letter country codes.  Is there a document or standard anywhere that
describes the preferred format for addresses in each country, and that lists
the postal country codes, etc?

(*) I understand that Finland now prefers FI to SF.

Do the new countries of Eastern Europe and the former USSR -- Russia,
in particular -- have country prefixes or other address-format changes?

etc etc.

Thanks!

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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Subject: Problems with transparent printing (3.14)
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For years I was quite unaware of the possibility of redirecting remote print
output to the local printer or to the local disk. The good news about
that was brought to me in one of the early beta releases of MS-Kermit
3.14 which contained the pcprint.sh UNIX script in the utils-directory.
Since then the number to times per day I'm walking over to the computer
center decreased dramatically. :-)

Now I repeatedly noticed an awkward problem that probably did not exist in
early beta versions (sometime before beta 14): When I try "to pcprint" a
somewhat larger e-mail (or any other text) file (say, about 20 KB) with
"set printer filename" to my local disk, the process seems to "hang"
anywhere.  Entering "hangup" at the MS-Kermit prompt for getting out of
this, usually needs 20 minutes or so to succeed. I performed some tests to
clarify the conditions under which this happens (not very many tests, of
course, since it is quite time-consuming) which seemed to indicate that it
would only occur in a TCP/IP connection, not when I use my still existing
serial connection. When I reinstalled Version 3.13 with my old
mskermit.ini and mscustom.ini the pcprint thing worked alright. I also
verified that the fault does not lie in the two current ini-Files: 3.14
produces the "hang" condition also with my old ini-Files.

My other problem is less severe. Using pcprint transparent printing works
OK with UNIX text files, and with piping in the mailer program elm, but
when using pcprint to pipe print output from the newsreader program nn,
the carriage returns are missing. (The effect is easily to be observed if
one uses simply "cat" instead of "lpr" at the printer-prompt in nn.) My
current solution is to encorporate a sort of UNIX-to-DOS filter in the
pcprint script file, but I wonder if there exists a more elegant solution.
Besides, the filter-command I have at hand inserts CRs at the end of every
line, not only when there is a sole LF.

Thanking you in advance for any leads.

Peter Schmolck
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From [e-mail] Wed Feb  8 15:48:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Larry Applebaum)
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Subject: ckermit and embedded cr's
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Ckermit 5A-190 running under VMS has a problem receiving text files with
embedded carriage returns not followed by a linefeed.  It eats the
character following the cr.  As an example, the line "12345^M12345" gets
mangled into "12345",new line,"2345".  The old bliss version of Kermit
handles the text just fine.

Any thoughts on this?

Thanks - Larry


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From: [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers
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In article <3h74eo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>  I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in
> order to obtain the data in the data in ASCII. I need a version of
> Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system operating system
> (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available
> Bob Cox

I've used XMODEM right out of the box on our Nicolet Pathfinder, a brain
electrical analyzer.  Some one from England just replied to you that they
had Kermit for a series of cpus, but look for XMODEM, as Nicolet supplied
it, they may have for you too.  Good luck.  Ours was an 18 bit machine..
Nicely done s/w for what it did, tho.  as analysts we were impressed.
I digress, tho... bye!

         /^^^\   \ /   Jim Agnew         | [e-mail]  (Internet)
        /      >  ||   Neurosurgery,     | AGNEW@VCUVAX        (Bitnet)
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From: [e-mail] (Mark Lebar)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Question: Error: Can't create work file
Date: 8 Feb 1995 18:03:28 GMT
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I am having a problem performing remote commands on
a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode.  Whenever I send
certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive
the error:
    Error: Cannot create work file.

Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly
this means.  I thought initially it meant that it
could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing
some further checking, and downloading the server's
'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes
(ie. when trying 'rem set ?').

Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response
if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing
problem.

Thanks (thanks from my client also),


Mark

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK
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In article <3h8mda$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>
> I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my
> desk.  I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that
> the screen gets cleared.  Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being
> sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one
> switches back to the session.
    XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say
    SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This
    is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does
    a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by
    SHOW MACRO.

> So, my two questions.  1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the
> screen whenever I switch sessions?  and 2) how can I have kermit not
> send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on
> whenever I switch a session?

    There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching
    sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of
    SESSION<digit> macros defined? If so those are executed each
    time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed.
    Joe D.

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                   Request for Discussion (RFD)

    Newsgroup      : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra

    Status         : unmoderated
    Distribution   : Worldwide
    Summary        : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS
                     MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe
                     protocol converters including configuration,
                     problem solving techniques, file transfer
                     capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection
                     techniques, custom software programming, operating
                     system considerations, and various suggestions for
                     unique mainframe dial-up applications.

    Proponent      : Rick Sande ([e-mail])


    This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an
    unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra

    This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup
    Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups:

                  news.announce.newsgroups
                  news.groups
                  comp.terminals
                  comp.lang.rexx.tso
                  comp.lang.rexx.vm
                  comp.dcom.lans.misc
                  comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel
                  comp.dcom.lans.token-ring
                  comp.dcom.modems
                  comp.dcom.sys.cisco
                  comp.protocols.ibm
                  comp.protocols.kermit.misc
                  bit.listserv.ibm7171


   Discussion will take place in news.groups


                               CHARTER

  The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of
  technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe
  protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing.

  Specific subjects will include but are not limited to:

  Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications
  Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members
  Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection
  (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity.
  Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software
  Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas"
  System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications.
  Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM
  Microcode upgrade & regression procedures
  Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments
  Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270)

                          RATIONALE

  The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts &
  bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware"
  allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration
  samples to those less knowledgeable of the product.

                        PROCEDURE

  After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take
  place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming
  objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for
  votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting
  period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by
  receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as
  many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created.


  Thank you for your time.

  Rick Sande                  [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Rod B. Nussbaumer)
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Subject: MSK response to term type query in scripts
Date: 8 Feb 1995 21:01:42 GMT
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Dear Kermit gurus:

I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex
auto-login procedure.  I have concluded that the hang-up is happening
because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS
DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE).  To my way of thinking, this should
elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without
intervention from the script.  Well I don't think it is doing this, and
there is nothing documented that says it should.

The symptom of this situation is that the two systems reach a deadlock
condition.  The VAX host is waiting for the reply to the query, and the
PC is waiting for the correct bits of text from the login procedure.  It
would be fairly messy to try to get the correct escape sequence for the
current terminal type from within the MSK script (I'm pretty sure).  Is
there a clean way of solving this problem?  Is there a good reason for
the terminal-type query to not be handled transparently, as I've
suggested above?  Does this sound like the beginning of a request for a
new feature? :-)

Thanks in advance for your help,
    ---   Rod.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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 TRIUMF --- University of British Columbia,     Phone: [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (Loke Teng Yan)
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Hello,

I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish
my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my
connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and
"ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that when
a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit" command if
it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers.
--
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From [e-mail] Thu Feb  9 13:56:23 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSK response to term type query in scripts
Date: 9 Feb 1995 13:56:23 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <3hbbfm$[e-mail]>,
Rod B. Nussbaumer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex
>auto-login procedure.  I have concluded that the hang-up is happening
>because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS
>DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE).  To my way of thinking, this should
>elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without
>intervention from the script.
>
That would be nice, but it doesn't happen.  The terminal emulator is not
active except during the CONNECT and REPLAY commands.  So your script has
to handle terminal-type enquiries itself.

For further details, please read section 18 of the KERMIT.BWR file that
comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.  For examples of VMS login scripts that
handle the terminal ID query, see the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", or
"Using C-Kermit", or for that matter, look at the VMSLOGIN macro that
comes with the C-Kermit 5A(190) CKERMIT.INI (.kermrc) file.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: No Exit When Carrier Detect
Date: 9 Feb 1995 14:02:55 GMT
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In article <3gp8ab$[e-mail]>, Loke Teng Yan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish
>my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my
>connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and
>"ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that
>when a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit"
>command if it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers.
>
You're welcome.

The command is:

  SET EXIT WARNING ON

- Frank


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Question: Error: Can't create work file
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In article <3hb11g$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Lebar) writes:
>
> I am having a problem performing remote commands on
> a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode.  Whenever I send
> certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive
> the error:
>     Error: Cannot create work file.
>
> Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly
> this means.  I thought initially it meant that it
> could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing
> some further checking, and downloading the server's
> 'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes
> (ie. when trying 'rem set ?').
>
> Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response
> if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing
> problem.
------------
    You are correct about the particular file. MS-DOS Kermit
prior to v3.14 (current) used the current directory for that file.
V3.14 tries first for the directory "TEMP" found in the DOS Environment
and if not present then the current directory.
    Rather than saying REM HOST DEL say REM DEL. REM SET does not
involve a temporary directory, only DOS commands used by Kermit to
do the work create a temp directory to hold output for relaying back
to the Kermit client.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3hbbfm$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rod B. Nussbaumer) writes:
> Dear Kermit gurus:
>
> I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex
> auto-login procedure.  I have concluded that the hang-up is happening
> because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS
> DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE).  To my way of thinking, this should
> elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without
> intervention from the script.  Well I don't think it is doing this, and
> there is nothing documented that says it should.
    The documentation states clearly that terminal emulation is active
ONLY in Connect mode, not otherwise. Scripts do not run in Connect mode.
Thus you need to detect the ESC c  terminal type query and make a standard
response (listed in the docs).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken V. Broezell)
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Subject: Kermit & Pagers
Date: 9 Feb 1995 15:58:02 GMT
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Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have
been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital
pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message
"DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting
this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete
without such a message.

Thanks in advance.
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From: [e-mail] (Melvin Klassen)
Subject: Re: CMS Kermit
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[e-mail] (Curtiss Cicco) writes:
> Are there any hardware or software limitations that would
> cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set
> at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14

Yes.  Although the System/370 I/O architecture allows 65,635 bytes
per I/O request, there are limitations.

The CMS macros for console I/O have limits:
 - the LINERD (read a line from the console) macro has a limit of 2030,
 - the LINEWRT (write a line to the console) macro has a limit of 1920,
   which is 24 (rows) times 80 (columns).

Probably, the I/O controllers on the mainframe also have similar limits,
probably due to the size of internal buffers, etc.

I sense that if you draw a graph of elapsed-time versus packet-size,
you'll see exponential-decay, i.e., using 80-byte packets will be slow,
using 160-byte packets will be noticeably faster than 80-bytes,
using 1K packets will be much faster than 80-bytes,
but using 2K packets will only be slightly faster than 1K,
assuming no "retries" occur.

So, it won't matter (too much) that you can't achieve 9024-byte packets.  :-)
The important thing is to avoid "small" packet-sizes,
if you like good performance.

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From: [e-mail] (George Gary)
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Subject: kermit and VM ESA 2.1
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We have an IBM 3090 running VM ESA 2.1 and SIM3278 Version 1
Release 2.1.  We downloaded and installed kermit 4.31 from the
sources at Columbia.  When we execute the new kermit from a
telnet session,  the session is immediately closes.  This
happens no matter where we telnet from and with various
telnet packages including unix and pc platforms.  The same
kermit works fine with the dialin to a Series I Yale/Ascii
front end or through an IBM 7171 frontend. I understand this
kermit works fine under VM 370.  Is there anyone out there
with a similar configuration with kermit working accross
telnet?  Please help

George Gary (703-836-1071, fax [phone])



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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
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It sounds as if the attempt to detect the controller type is killing
the session.  As of release 2.0, SIM3278/TCPIP did not support the
type of detection that Kermit tries, but I never heard that it would
fail so abysmally.  Perhaps 2.1 is different.  In any case, you need
to force Kermit to settle on SERIES1 for the controller type anyway,
so refer to the note dated 89/2/27 in IKCKER BWR.  It explains how
to do that -- extract the example into your KERMIT LOCAL.

                John Chandler

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From: [e-mail] (Peter L. Silsbee)
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Subject: detect BUSY?
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I pretty much call just one number with
my modem. Most of the time, that number
is busy :( When it isn't busy, it frequently
takes upwards of 45 seconds to connect. My
current kermit script redials after 60 seconds
if my wait-for-connect-message fails. But most
of the time it's a busy signal which I ought
to be able to detect and redial sooner. Any
hints on how to simultaneously wait for the
connect message but break out of the loop
if a busy signal is detected?

Thanks,
Peter


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From: [e-mail] (Herb Howe)
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Subject: Re: Kermit sliding windows on Mac
Date: 11 Feb 1995 14:40:33 GMT
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of
: programmers who are both willing and able to do the job.  I hope

: Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at
: Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently
: needed ones being bug fixes.  Contact me if you are interested.


For many Mac users, a public-domain Communications Toolbox (CTB)
Kermit tool that includes all of the features of the current Kermit
protocol would be more useful than a working MacKermit.  A CTB tool
may be used with most Mac terminal programs (ZTerm being a mojor
exception) and a Kermit tool would allow file transfers at ZModem
speeds without having to switch to MacKermit just to do transfers.

It would probably be easier to find volunteers to work on a Kermit CTB
Tool than to work on MacKermit.  The tool involves primarily the
Kermit file transfer protocol without the additional programming
overhead of a complete terminal emulation.  As far as I have been able
to determine, there is currently no Mac program or CTB Tool that
supports sliding windows, for example.  Thus, for Mac users, ZModem is
definitely faster than Kermit since there is no way to completely tune
the Mac end of a Kermit transfer for speed.

Any possibility of the Kermit project producing a public-domain CTB
Kermit Tool?

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Hi Paul.
Do You have thought about one of those administration tools,
e.g. Microsoft's SMS (Systems Management Server) which can
distribute files and whole program packages to clients?
It can be used in LANs, WANs and so on (WAN: e.g. using
RAS-Services). Those packages will not be only distributed
but also installed automatically on those clients. SMS
is especially designed for such tasks you described.
Besides that there are some nice features like automatic
inventory of soft- and hardware, network tools, user support
and so on. SMS can be installed on PCs using Windows NT 3.5 Server.
Have a try
bye

Lars Olboeter
[e-mail]

In article <3gliql$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Paul Smith) says:
>
>Hi,
>
>I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have
>varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for:
>
>1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete.
>
>2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote
>DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up.
>
>3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted.
>
>Solutions could be:
>
>a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd
>
>b) TSR based kermit in server mode.  This one sounds the most plausable given
>a need for a small RAM foot print...
>
>The kermit folks have any ideas?
>
>c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool?
>
>Thanks..
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Glenn R. Stone)
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In <3hde2a$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken V. Broezell) writes:

>Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have
>been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital
>pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message
>"DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting
>this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete
>without such a message.

Change the dial script to add a semicolon to the dial string, and to
expect "OK" as an exit-successful condition rather than CONNECT....
The semicolon tells a Hayes-compatible modem "go do this dial script
and then come back and tell me "ok" (leaving the phone off-hook)
instead of trying to connect"... and I s'pose you'll want to output
an ATH0 (or do a hangup) at the end of the script...

-- Glenn R. Stone ([e-mail])
kermit kinda guy on occasion

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From: [e-mail] (Pablo)
Subject: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed
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    Question.  I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to
transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop
system.  I use PCPLUS for windows.  No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit
throughput is pathetically slow!  I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a
little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k
connection established.  Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX
kermit or is there something I'm failing to set.  I've played with
'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of
which could affect the transmission rate.  The only thing that affected
throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command.  When I dropped it
from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to
around 1200 baud.  Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud.  Any help on this
matter would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.


--

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Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2??  I have an application
that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when
I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks
like this:

Name:_____________________


C-Kermit looks like this:

Name:


At one time I used reflections with a /U for underline is there a way to
duplicate this?


Thanks,


Kevin Newman


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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pablo) writes:
>
>     Question.  I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to
> transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop
> system.  I use PCPLUS for windows.  No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit
> throughput is pathetically slow!  I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a
> little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k
> connection established.  Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX
> kermit or is there something I'm failing to set.  I've played with
> 'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of
> which could affect the transmission rate.  The only thing that affected
> throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command.  When I dropped it
> from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to
> around 1200 baud.  Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud.  Any help on this
> matter would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
------------
    It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters
CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation.
So look at the other end of the wire for a moment. Try MS-DOS Kermit,
v3.14 is current. Then ask if there is a comms box between the ends which
throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file
transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more).
    VAXen come in various models and the faster they are the more
bytes/sec they can move across the link. My uVAX II can do about 2-4KB/sec
before suffering dizziness. A VAX undergoing heavy swapping will not
be very speedy.
    I rarely have occassion to use more than 4 window slots, even
on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise
on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though
the comms boxes and type-ahead buffers of mainframes.
    In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems
and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port
is locked at 1200bps?).
    Joe D.

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II am a newcomer to the Freenet and am unable to download a file to my
drive using Kermit.  When I GET the file the box keeps repeating "packet
resent" How should the Kermit options be set?





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In article <3hj1t4$[e-mail]>,  <knewman @mcs.com> wrote:
>Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2??  I have an application
>that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when
>I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks
>like this:

example deleted

C-Kermit does indeed show Underlined text.  But it uses color to represent
the underlining instead of a true underline.

Use SET TERMINAL COLOR UNDERLINED-TEXT
to set the color combination you would like.


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From: [e-mail]
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
>> Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a
>> UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in
>> after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to
>> prevent this? V3.13 does not do this.
> ----------------
>     It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could
> elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual
> useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment
> for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here).
>     Joe D.

I noticed the same behaviour: with 3.13 I could have an idle connection
for days, but with 3.14 the connection terminated after an idle period.
The host was Unisys U6000/65 with their UNIX SVR4 port. The host had an
idle timeout parameter, which we increased; indeed, it was the host doing
disconnects.

However, I don't know why 3.13 kept the connection open despite of the
timeout...
--
Juhani Jaakola, [e-mail]

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <3h8mda$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jerry Alexandratos) writes:
>>
>> I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my
>> desk.  I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that
>> the screen gets cleared.  Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being
>> sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one
>> switches back to the session.
>     XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say
>     SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This
>     is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does
>     a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by
>     SHOW MACRO.
>
>> So, my two questions.  1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the
>> screen whenever I switch sessions?  and 2) how can I have kermit not
>> send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on
>> whenever I switch a session?
>
>     There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching
>     sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of
>     SESSION<digit> macros defined? If so those are executed each
>     time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed.
>     Joe D.

I noticed with 3.14 beta April '94 that when you have very little
conventional (i.e. < 640KB RAM) memory free and have many sessions open,
Kermit would sometimes beep and give you a blank screen when pressing
Alt+N.

Check your free memory. For example, do you have enough memory to spawn
a command processor (i.e to do a PUSH)?
--
Juhani Jaakola, [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Earl H. Kinmonth)
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Yeechang Lee ([e-mail]) wrote:
: Jeff Bishop <[e-mail]> says:

: I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation
: I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience.  His writing style
: is--um--bizzare, to say the least.

So is the source code in the UNIX versions of zmodem.

--
Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield,
Sheffield, England S10 2TN [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank O'Donnell)
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Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> writes:

>> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ?
>> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ?
>> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else)
>>
>> Any benchmarks ?
>
>    Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection?
>If not please do.

Actually this brings up a question of mine.  I recently obtained
C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running
it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem.  When I run MS-DOS/Windows
sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get
transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol.
However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get
Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or
about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe), to a max of
around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a
Kermit implementation).  I have and have read "Using C-Kermit"
by da Cruz and Gianone.

Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end?

Thanks for any comment,

Frank
[e-mail]

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I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.

Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Dan Morgenroth

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Sorry this is a TEST..
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            With regards,

                              sssss      w     w

From [e-mail] Mon Feb 13 17:51:48 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
>transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
>I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
>but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.
>
>Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
>transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.
>
The Kermit FAQ can be found on kermit.columbia.edu in kermit/FAQ.TXT.
Quoting from it (since there were more than usual number of questions like
this in this morning's crop of postings):

... you can make Kermit go as fast as the communication path will permit
by changing a few parameters.  But first, here are some general principles
that apply to all communications software:

 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at
    every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file
    transfer protocol).  For example, when using high-speed,
    error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow
    control, most commonly RTS/CTS.  You have to tell the software to use
    it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow
    control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will
    be lost.

 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it.  Fix the
    interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if
    possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface
    speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to
    be wasted.

 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off
    flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method
    supplies fully effective flow control.

Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps:

 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial
    packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the
    performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to
    control them.

 2. Use long packets.  Kermit's default packet length is 94.  You can
    increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024.  Give the following
    command to the file receiver:

      SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000  ; (or other length)

    The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer
    will be... IF IT WORKS.  If you make packets longer than some buffer
    somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the
    transfer might not work.  Also, the longer the packet, the greater
    the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to
    retransmit.  A good starting value to try is 1000.

 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows.  Sliding windows
    allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than
    "stop and wait" style.  The command is:

      SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number)

    The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation).  Give
    this command to *both* Kermit programs.

For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very
good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range.  For compressed
files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out
another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of
control characters.  A typical sequence might be:

  SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL  ;  Unprefix all control characters.
  SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ...  ; Add back prefixes for these.

This might require some trial and error because there is no way that a
communication software program can know what characters are safe and
which ones are not on a particular connection.  For example, you might be
going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD
prompt.  Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where
Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt.  Or the
connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a
data character might freeze the connection.

If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window
sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to,
and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix,
Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a
V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600
bps interface speed:

  Typical text files:        3500 cps (characters per second)
  Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE)
  Compressed files:          1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files)

These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via
anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file
newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript).  Also see newsn4.txt (.ps)
for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Protocol transfer speeds (was Re: ... zmodem transfers)
Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:58:23 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Frank O'Donnell <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> writes:
>>> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ?
>>> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ?
>>> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else)
>>Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection?
>>If not please do.
>
>Actually this brings up a question of mine.  I recently obtained
>C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running
>it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem.  When I run MS-DOS/Windows
>sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get
>transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol.
>However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get
>Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or
>about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe)
>
Note that we can't vouch for CompuServe's Kermit implementation.

>...to a max of
>around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a
>Kermit implementation).
>
...nor for whatever Kermit implementation might be in use on the BBS.

>Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end?
>
First, read the item on Kermit performance in our FAQ:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT

then try the techniques described there.  Better still, try them with
real Kermit software, e.g. MS-DOS Kermit on the PC, C-Kermit on UNIX,
etc, and you'll get the kind of performance numbers you want.

- Frank
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Hello,

    Sorry if this question is answered somewhere in the (great
mass of) kermit docs, but I did a grep through them for the key
"rockwell" and found nothing so...

    Does kermit 3.14 for ms-dog support Rockwell's Protocol
Interface (RPI)?  Many thanks for the answer or pointers as to where it
might be found!

    Tito.


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Hi,
Recently I asked how I can use zmodem via MS-Kermit, that is, use an external
program from MSK to handle incoming zmodem data transfers.
I'm doing this every day from my C-Kermit, using the 'rz' macro supplied
with C-Kermit package.

Official responses (Joe Doupnik) were that "Kermit protocol is superior
and one does not need to support or use zmodem."
Most other response suggested using Chuck Foresberg's DSZ program, available
on SimTel/DOS/zmodem archives.

For other suggestions, see enclosed mails below.

Thanks to the following people:
 [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
 [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
 [e-mail] (David G. Risner)
 [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik )
 [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)

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From: [e-mail] (David G. Risner)

OK, I got a few requests for this so:

PDZMODEM can be found at:

ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip

i.e.,

Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu
Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem
Filename: pdzmodem.zip


I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file:

define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4
set key \315 rz

This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key.

the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM.

The -c4 means use com port 4.

The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my
download directory.

f you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me.

And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain.

David G. Risner
[e-mail]
Anaheim, CA

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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)

 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip
 tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit.

   All the best, Timo

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From: [e-mail] (Ram Gura)
Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit
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Hi There.
I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
how.

Does anyone have any suggestions ?
Thank you
Ram Gura


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From: [e-mail] (Gerd Boehm (2017))
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Hello,
one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and
in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode
of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation?

I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220
terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics.
Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to
leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC-
Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the
singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET
session or is it a bug?

TIA,
Gerd

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Hi,
I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the
remote Sun.
When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer
of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window
used out of the three.
Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong?

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From: [e-mail] (Pablo)
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:

:     It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters
: CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation.

    I tend to agree, BTW:  I've attempted this xfer both from dialup
and telnet.  The site is NKU.EDU FYI.

: throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file
: transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more).

    Woudln't normal screen activity and text throughput also be
affected by this?  I've definitely got a high speed connection as far as
screen writes go.

: on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise
: on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though

How do I set this through Kermit?

:     In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems
: and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port
: is locked at 1200bps?).

    Again, no because I am at a high speed connection because of the
text throughput (non file transfer).  Unless there's some way to lock a
port to 1200 for a file transfer only?  Also, I can FTP to the site and
it runs at 'normal ftp speeds'.

    I agree that there's something amiss, it's just that I can't
figure out what!  If I run kermit on this unix server, it runs at the max
throughput of my modem (again, using Procomm Plus for Windows), yet I
telnet to the VAX, start kermit, send ANY kind of file, and I can't get
more than 200 cps out of it.  If you have any setup commands for the
remote kermit that might rectify this, they would be appreciated.


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From: [e-mail] (Pablo)
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[e-mail] wrote:
: I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
: transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
: I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
: but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.
:
: Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
: transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.

    Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance?  Geez louise,
I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing.  If you
get anything figured out, let me know, please.  I've already deflected
all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm
still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or
the remote end.


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Has anyone tried to install kermit on a DEC Alpha running OSF/2.1 ?

I've been trying to compile and I'm stuck at the ckufio.c module.

It seems that the dir.h file in BSD is not compatible with OSF.  This is a
quick request as I don't have time tonight to get into the details of what
I've done on this so far.

Thanks in advance,

Brian Bowman
Ford Motor co.
[e-mail]

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I am interested in using kermit to transfer data from a PDP-11 to a PC.  The
terminal used to run the PDP-11 is a Tek 4105a.  I can use the Tek 4010
emulation to accomplish the data transfer, but the lack of graphics emulation
causes problems.  Is there a way to emulate a Tek 4105a?  If so how do I get
and install the necessary software?

Thanks,

Geoff

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From: [e-mail] (Dan Smisko)
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Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4
Date: 13 Feb 1995 00:06:17 GMT
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Pablo ([e-mail]) wrote:
: [e-mail] wrote:
: : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
: : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
: : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
: : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.
: :
: : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
: : transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.

:     Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance?  Geez louise,
: I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing.  If you
: get anything figured out, let me know, please.  I've already deflected
: all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm
: still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or
: the remote end.

I'm using C-Kermit on HP-UX and V.32bis on each end.  I get about 1580
cps on large binary transfers.  My .kermrc is appended.  Good luck.


Dan Smisko            [e-mail]
Hewlett-Packard            [phone]
Little Falls Site        [phone]  FAX
2850 Centerville Rd.
Wilmington, DE  19808

========================================================================

set modem hayes
set dial speed-matching off
set dial dial-command ATDT%s\13
set dial init-string ATZ\{13}

#set flow-control rts/cts
set flow-control keep
set line /dev/ttyd00
set speed 38400

set carrier off
set parity none
set control-character unprefixed all
set control-character prefixed 0 3 128 131
#set control-character prefixed 0 1 3 4 17 19 21 128 129 131 132 145 147 149
set command bytesize 8
set terminal bytesize 8
set buffers 32767 32767
set window-size 8
set file type binary
set file name literal
set file display fullscreen
set send packet-length 1024
set receive packet-length 1024
set block-check 3

define runterm output term\13, pause 2, ! term <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define on_exit pause 1, output +++, pause 1, output ath0s0=0\13

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Pablo) writes:
> [e-mail] wrote:
> : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max
> : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec.  I am using a packet size of 1913.
> : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this,
> : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up.
> :
> : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my
> : transfer speed?  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.
>
>     Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance?  Geez louise,
> I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing.  If you
> get anything figured out, let me know, please.  I've already deflected
> all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm
> still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or
> the remote end.
---------------
    Replying to both correspondents.
    Not all comms boxes provide the same speed and buffering capacity
in both directions. As Frank da Cruz has often pointed out (with exasperation)
Cisco terminal servers are fast and capacious for data moving from the host
to the client, and exactly the opposite for data moving the other way
(hardware built expecting only human typing rates).
    A box with little buffering for client to host traffic and poor
flow control will drop incoming bytes. So step one is to validate flow
control at each point along the path. Yes, this may require other people
to open the wiring closets and pop the covers. Step two is to explore the
capacity of the link by changing the sending Kermit's outgoing packet size
(SET SEND PACK nnn). Step three is to get the VAX manager to verify
installation of C Kermit and in particular to verify the section in the
instructions which discusses terminal buffer sizes (SYSGEN parameter MAXBUF,
set to be larger than the longest Kermit packet you want to use, mine is set
to 9216; check by looking at file sys$system:modparams.dat).
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used?
Date: 17 Feb 1995 18:11:54 GMT
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In article <3hn07m$[e-mail]>,
4th Dimension <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on
>the remote Sun.  When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum
>thruput. Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more
>than one window used out of the three.  Is this a bug, a feature, or am I
>doing something wrong?
>
It's not a bug and you are probably not doing anything wrong.

When two Kermit programs have agreed to use a maximum window size greater
than one, let's say 4, here is what happens:

The FILE SENDER can send up to 4 packets without waiting for an
acknowledgement from the file receiver.  Each unacknowledged packet sits
in the file sender's window until it is acknowledged.  Thus its window
size grows from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4.  If acknowledgments arrive quickly, the
window might not grow to its maximum size because it does not need to.

The job of the FILE RECEIVER is to accept and verify packets, decode them,
and write the decoded contents out to the file.  If packets arrive in
sequence, then each one is processed and disposed of as soon as it
arrives.  If, however, a packet arrives that has a sequence number that is
more than one greater than the previous packet that was successfully
processed, this means that a packet is missing.  Thus the packet that just
arrived can't be written out to disk because if it were, the file would
have a piece missing.  So the out-of-sequence packet is stored in the
receiver's window until the missing piece is filled in.

Thus you won't see the file receiver's window size exceed one unless there
have been transmission errors, no matter what window size the file sender
might be using.  For greater detail see pages 102-103 of "Using MS-DOS
Kermit" or pages 158-161 of "Using C-Kermit".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence?
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In article <3i0fi5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Perry) writes:
>
> This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS
> version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to
> send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that
> Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies
> itself as being a Kermit emulator?
>
> We have some programmers who are writing an application and
> would like to query the connecting terminal to find out
> if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator.
------------
    Enquire/Answerback: Control E. See manual file msvibm.vt.
    Getting that particular may not be a good long term strategy.

From that file -

DEC VT320 and VT102 functions while in ANSI (non-VT52) mode, unsupported
features are marked by an asterisk (*):

Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area:

 Name    ASCII    value
     chart      hex keyboard            operation
 NUL    0/0    00h   ^@    Ignored except during transparent printing
 ENQ     0/5        05h   ^E        Answerback message (response: "MS-DOS KERMIT")

    Joe D.

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Hi,

I just upgraded to ckermit linux version 190. My connection for the net is
an openvms computer that has ckermit 189 loaded. After completion of a
download (binary or text) while using the consoles in linux, my terminal in
linux is set in a unstable state.

The Linux console terminal is not adding a new line character, and new
lines are writing over the old lines. This continues even after quiting
ckermit. Never happened with 189.

I have to run a program called reset in Linux or reset the terminal on the
vms side to make the screen work correctly.

Any ideals what I need to set in the linux ckermit?

Thanks,

Helen

I did look in the ckermit book first.

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Hi,

I am developing a communication utility for in house use at our place.

I would like implement the send and receive routines using kermit protocol.

I am using VB Prof 3.0 for my development. Any pointer to DLL implementation
for kermit would be appreciated.

Abhishek


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ram Gura) writes:
> Hi There.
> I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
> to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
> On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
> There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
> VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
> how.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions ?
> Thank you
> Ram Gura
------------------
    a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits.
       Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception.
    b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS.
    c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one
       too.
    All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu.
    Joe D.


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From: [e-mail] (Mark Cyzyk)
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Subject: MSKermit 3.13 command line options
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I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to
run from the command line.  The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my
problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a
session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK
file.  Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance
of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later
point in the session.  Can this be done?

Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line
options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen.  Can I do
this even if I've used command line options and if so, how?

Mark Cyzyk
Towson State University

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14pl3 and Graphics Mode
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gerd Boehm (2017)) writes:
> Hello,
> one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and
> in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode
> of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation?
>
> I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220
> terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics.
> Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to
> leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC-
> Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the
> singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET
> session or is it a bug?
----------------
    ALT-minus sign (on the rank above querty keys). It's keyboard
verb \Ktermtype. It toggles between text and graphics modes. Some time
ago it also used to cycle amongst all the terminal types in succession
but that was not a productive solution.
    Here is a cutout from file msvibm.vt:
 OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE:

 IBM key         IBM Verb      Action

 Keypad Del                    Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127
 Backspace (<-)                Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127  (BS is \8)
 Keypad -        MODELINE      Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is
                               enabled and not used by the host).
 Alt -           TERMTYPE      Toggle between text and Tek terminal types.
 Alt =           RESET         Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to
                               starting (setup) state.
 Alt b           BREAK         Send a BREAK signal
    etc
    Joe D.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive?
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In article <3hpvcj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
> Hello,
>
> in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that
> did the following:
>   During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into
>   RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host.
>   So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape
>   character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return
>   and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return.
> Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement
> the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps
> on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could
> send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated.
-----------------

    Please see kermit.upd in the quick start release package msvibm.zip
found in directory kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. In particular, read
about the APC command, portion attached below.
    Joe D.
--------------
UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE

The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320
terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support
Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as
DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction.

Old way (described on pages 180-181 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit"): CSI ? 34 h / l
invoked the TERMINALR and TERMINALS macros, if you had them defined.  This
required each Kermit user to define them, for example in their MSCUSTOM.INI
files, a big management problem for large user communities.

New way: CSI ? 34 h / l controls screen-writing direction, left-to-right or
right-to-left (for Hebrew and Arabic), as it does on real Hebrew-model VT
terminals (see Hebrew section above).

To replace the TERMINALR/TERMINALS function, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 now supports
the Application Program Command (APC) escape sequence, which is accepted by
MS-DOS Kermit 3.13's VT emulators, VT100 and above:

  APC <string> ST

In the 7-bit environment, APC is ESC _ and ST (string terminator) is ESC \.
In the 8-bit environment, APC is decimal 159 and ST is 156 decimal.  The
<string> can be any MS-DOS Kermit command or list of commands, separated by
commas, and can be up to 1024 bytes in length.    Upon receipt of this escape
sequence, MS-DOS Kermit executes the command(s) in the string and then
automatically resumes CONNECT mode.

  NOTE: In this respect, APC differs from the old TERMINALR/TERMINALS
  mechanism, which did NOT automatically re-enter CONNECT mode.  Thus, if
  you are recycling your TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros for APC use, be sure
  to remove the ", connect" from the end of their definitions, or else you
  will have to escape back twice the next time you want the MS-Kermit> prompt.

For safety, the APC mechanism cannot be used to invoke certain MS-DOS Kermit
commands that might do damage, like deleting your files.  Included in this
category is the RUN command, which provides access to DOS and to other
applications.  This new MS-DOS Kermit command regulates the APC mechanism:

  SET TERMINAL APC { ON, OFF, UNCHECKED }

ON means that Kermit will execute only safe commands.  OFF (the default) means
Kermit will not execute any commands and will ignore APCs.  UNCHECKED means
Kermit will execute ANY commands sent via APC.  Use UNCHECKED at your own risk.

  If you want to use this feature, you must enable it explicitly using
  SET TERMINAL APC ON (recommended) or SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED.

APC is much more flexible than the old TERMINALS/TERMINALR mechanism, and can
be used for any purpose at all.     For example, it can be used to configure
MS-DOS Kermit for use with a particular host or application by sending the
appropriate list of SET commands: communication parameters like parity,
protocol parameters like packet-length and window size, key mappings, etc.

It can also be used to initiate file transfers automatically from the host
without having to escape back to MS-DOS Kermit.     Here's an example you can use
with C-Kermit 5A.  In your C-Kermit 5A customization file (.mykermrc or
CKERMOD.INI), add commands like this:

  define autosend set delay 0, apc receive, send \%1 \%2, statistics
  define autoreceive apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive, statistics

Try it!  NOTE: The APC command is new to C-Kermit 5A(189); if you have an
earlier release of C-Kermit you can define APC as a macro:

  define apc output \27_\%1\27\92

You can set up similar procedures with IBM mainframe Kermit, e.g. in VM/CMS by
stacking commands and using XECHO to emit the escape sequences.

You can expand these commands to handle text and binary mode if you want to:

  ; Text transfers
  define tsend set del 0, set file type text, apc receive, send \%1, stat
  define treceive apc {set fil typ text, send \%1 \%2}, stat
  ;
  ; Binary transfers
  define bsend set del 0, set file type binary, apc receive, send \%1, stat
  define breceive apc {set fil typ binary, send \%1 \%2}, stat




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From: [e-mail] (Chengyin Chris Ye)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script.
Date: 14 Feb 1995 01:56:28 -0500
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    I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip
connection. It looks like following:

;my kermit script
    .
    .
output ADTD xxx xxxx\13
    .
    .
input {username:}
output chrisye\13
    .
    .
output slip foo.foo.edu     ; setup my slip here.
connect
end

     At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type
"ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I
run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is
droped.
    What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to
sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection?

    Any idea is welcome, I am basicly trying to write a script to
run kermit and slattach automatically.

Thanks

-chris
 [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin)
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Subject: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :)
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--
Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple
for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :)

I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI.
However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote
caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the
program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but
I don't receive the correct ANSI characters.  (aka where I should get a block
i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI  I
get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and
lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote
print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no
support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to
either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to
lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in
ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102
but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102")


Any suggestions? I really could use your help... Please either post reply or
mail one to [e-mail]


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From: James Klaas <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Kermit and Windows 95
Date: 13 Feb 1995 22:45:47 GMT
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I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS,
but I really didn't find anything that could help me out.  Does anyone know if
I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP?  These are all virutal mode
drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows.
I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them.  Thanks for your help.

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From: [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically?
Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:38:25 GMT
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In <[e-mail]> Joe Doupnik writes:

> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher) writes:
> > How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and
> > returns to the main menu?  Then label the stations (either on
> > the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is.
> >
> >     Erik
> --------------
>     Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things.
>     Poorly written library access software is the problem, and
> that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info
> retrieval folks lag sooo far behind.
>     Joe D.

If there is a key-sequence in the library-access software that always gets
you to a fixed point (e.g. main menu) you can use Kermit's ALT-X key as a
hotkey by implementing a 'connect'-loop:

    :reconnect
    connect
    output sequence-that-gets-you-back-to-main-menu
    goto reconnect

It might take a little experimenting to find a sequence that always works,
but if you find one, ALT-X will be a near-bullet-proof 'restart'.



--
Kees Hendrikse                                | email:   [e-mail]
                                              |
ECHELON consultancy and software development  | phone: [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (George Gary)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit,VM ESA 2.1,ibm tcp/ip,sim3278
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We have been using kermit on our ibm runngin VM ESA 2.1 for years without
a problem over dialup thru a Series I and thru an IBM 7171.  Now we have
users telneting in as vt100 and connecting useing IBM TCP/IP and the
SIM3278/TCPIP product.  When logging in via this means and executing the
kermit module,  the telnet session is immediately closed.  We located a
site where this is working ok but on a VM/370 operating system.  Does
anyone know of a site with VM ESA 2.1, IBM TCP/IP, and SIM3278/TCPIP where
kermit is working over a telnet session or have any clue about this
problem? Please help!


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From: [e-mail] (Mark Becker)
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Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
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I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via
a serial port at 14.4K baud.  My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5.  Most
of the times things work well.

However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on.  This is distracting.  I
set it off.  It comes back on again.  I set it off.. it comes back on.

That mode line does not scroll the full display.  So whenever some text pager
sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen
are lines flying by in a one-line buffer.

There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'.  Maybe there should
be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that
bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display?

Regards,

Mark
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95
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In article <3honer$[e-mail]>, James Klaas <[e-mail]> writes:
> I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS,
> but I really didn't find anything that could help me out.  Does anyone know if
> I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP?  These are all virutal mode
> drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows.
> I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them.  Thanks for your help.
----------------
    Why do people keep trying these things, sigh.
    No DOS program (that's DOS, not Windows) can use a pure Windows
TCP/IP stack. The program structures are vastly different. If Microsoft
provides a DOS gateway then fine, else no. Windows programs/.dlls/etc
are not compatible with DOS programs.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet????
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In article <3hoqsj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Pearce) writes:
> Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told
> is an X.25 packet switching network)???????
>
> I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet
> sizes are set to 1024.
>
> Any clues??
>
> Thanks in advance....
----------
    To ask the obvious: maybe that's all that the Tymenet channel
can carry? Those things are time sharing of a comms line, and such
situations are often very slow since they expect only interactive
keystrokes and similar from the client.
    To ask another question: did you engage sliding windows with
many window slots? And, which Kermit is on each end of the channel?
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script.
Date: 18 Feb 1995 14:44:27 GMT
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In article <3hpk6s$[e-mail]>,
Chengyin Chris Ye <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip
>connection. It looks like following:
>
<stuff deleted>

>connect
>end
>

At this point, why are you entering CONNECT mode?
If you don't need the terminal emulator to type something manually you
should not be entering CONNECT.  Then you won't need to type "ctrl-\c".
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
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  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Nackil Sung)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Hangup the connection automatically?
Date: 16 Feb 1995 01:45:31 GMT
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Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
who wants to use the different database.
Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.

Nackil

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.13 command line options
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In article <3hp5b0$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Cyzyk) writes:
>
> I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to
> run from the command line.  The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my
> problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a
> session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK
> file.  Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance
> of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later
> point in the session.  Can this be done?
>
> Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line
> options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen.  Can I do
> this even if I've used command line options and if so, how?
------------
    See the manual on keyword STAY to keep MSK active when the last
command line action has completed.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used?
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In article <3hn07m$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
> Hi,
> I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the
> remote Sun.
> When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer
> of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window
> used out of the three.
> Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong?
----------
    During file reception with sliding windows the receiver will
show only one window slot in use because it's seeing packets in order
and the head of the queue is being serviced at all times. If a bad packet
arrives then future ones occupy more slots until the replacment arrives.
        Joe D.

From [e-mail] Tue Feb 14 19:44:59 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used?
Date: 14 Feb 1995 19:44:59 GMT
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In article <3hn07m$[e-mail]>,
4th Dimension <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the
>remote Sun.
>When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer
>of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window
>used out of the three.
>Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong?

If you have a clean, low-latency, connection then your receiving
Kermit will be acknowleging packets fast enough that the extra
buffering of the other available windows will not be needed.
If you really want to force multiple windows, inject some line
noise into your connection ;-).

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas Rusch)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit for SUN/OS ?
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:50:12 GMT
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Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS


Danke jetzt schon


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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Subject: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP?
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Summary: can ckermit for os/2 provide a slip connectionn?
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Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a
data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP
connection..... Can it?

    [e-mail]
    [e-mail]
    [e-mail]

please e-mail or post a rely- note: this is only a hobby.


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From: [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :)
Date: 17 Feb 1995 22:13:50 GMT
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3i0qgo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
         (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
: >
: >
: > --
: > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple
: > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :)
: >
: > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI.
: > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote
: > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the
: > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but
: > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters.  (aka where I should get a
    block
: > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI  I
: > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and
: > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote
: > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no
: > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to
: > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to
: > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in
: > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102
: > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE
    VT102")
: -------------
:     You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is
: sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character
: set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code
: Page in the display adapter.
:     These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using
: MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen.
:     Joe D.

--
No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using
Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still
getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting
triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat
characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I
checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437.


Any other suggestions?

Please help :)


From [e-mail] Sat Feb 18 16:08:42 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit
Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:08:42 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>, Ram Gura <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
>to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
>On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
>There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
>VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
>how.
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions ?
>


Hi, Ram.

Check the attributes of the binary file on the Vax with a

$ DIRECTORY /FULL

before downloading it to the PC and once again after uploading it to
the Vax again.  I am certain you will find some differences.  You
will need to use a RMS-attribute-modifying utility like Joe
Meadows's very fine FILE utility to modify the RMS attributes such
that VMS will find them palatable.  Alternatively, you could use
VMSHEX and VMSDEH (available from Columbia) which produce an ASCII
hex file for transfer and which preserve RMS file attributes.

Incidentally, I'm sure you'll get a flood of messages in this
newsgroup telling you to get C-Kermit Version 5A(190) for Vax/VMS
and Ms-Kermit Version 3.14 (especially the former); they are right;
thruput with C-Kermit for Vax/VMS is astoundingly greater than that of old
Bliss-32 Kermit (I still use both occasionally).

Good luck!
--
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: [e-mail]
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... Virtue is its own punishment.

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:28:31 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <GIlCluqcZV$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeff Bishop) writes:
>> Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit
>> news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this
>> claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are
>> interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You
>> can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to
>> /users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode).
>>
>> Jeff
>-------
>    That item again? Jeff, that is a pretty shoddy thing, rather short
>on facts, which Chuck put out last summer. I hope you can a) read carefully
>the material from Columbia too, and b) run your own tests.
>    Joe D.
>
>

No, Joe, it's an updated version that explains the behavior of
Columbia University's Stochastic Telepathic Kermit Hyperprotocol,
something Columbia has not been able to do.

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

From [e-mail] Sat Feb 18 15:35:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Seung-Chul Woo)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit?
Date: 18 Feb 1995 10:35:21 -0500
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Hello netters,

I hope this is a right place to post.
I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to
put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file.

I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain.

Thank you.

- Seungchul Woo

  E-Mail: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3i37sg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
>> respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
>> with a 1000 bytes packet.
>---------------
>    MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as
>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready
>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max
>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite
>what it should be?
>    Joe D.
>--------------
[...]

Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and
P. Tattam's slipper.   I just tried pinging with 500 byte
packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming
from the speaker.

It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware
is causing this behavior.  Anyone else running SLIP care to
try it?

BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in
SLIP.  It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size
packets.  And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering
SLIP mode.
--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (Phil Neal)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit  on irix 5.2 ?
Date: 14 Feb 1995 21:43:59 GMT
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Dear kermit people,

Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running
Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ?

Thanks,
Phil
[e-mail]

--
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From [e-mail] Wed Feb 15 16:42:29 1995
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From: "Mary P. McKnight" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
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I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
message:

 Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1
  Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45
  trying name ted
 Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1
  Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2
 Cannot resolve address of host ted

However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still
running), Kermit works fine.

Can someone please explain to me what's going on?  I need to have
Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep
closing it down.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Mary McKnight
Office of Computer Services
Union College
Schenectady, NY 12308
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe R. Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
Date: 19 Feb 1995 04:07:19 GMT
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In article <3i4qtu$[e-mail]>,
Mark Becker <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via
>a serial port at 14.4K baud.  My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5.  Most
>of the times things work well.
>
>However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on.  This is distracting.  I
>set it off.  It comes back on again.  I set it off.. it comes back on.
>
>That mode line does not scroll the full display.  So whenever some text pager
>sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen
>are lines flying by in a one-line buffer.
>
>There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'.  Maybe there should
>be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that
>bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display?
>
--------------
    The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct
addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is
to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen
size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status
line. So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo
material to discover the error there.
    Joe D.
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet????
Date: 18 Feb 1995 01:48:02 -0800
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In article <3hoqsj$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ken Pearce) writes:
>Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told
>is an X.25 packet switching network)???????

TYMNET is a character-switched network that is compatible with packet-switched
networks such as X.25.  It is usually used to connect async terminals to
async or X.25 hosts, or to connect an X.25 source to an X.25 destination.

>I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet
>sizes are set to 1024.

I get 921 characters per second from my PC to a UNIX host when I connect
to TYMNET at 9600 baud.

When going from one X.25 host to another (UNIX to UNIX), I get a transfer
rate of 1875 to 1925 characters per second.  That is pretty much the max,
since TYMNET has a limit of 2000 characters per second and X.25 has some
overhead.

>Any clues??

; This is Joe Smith's .kermrc for KERMIT version 5A(190)
set file type binary    ;For UNIX to AmigaDOS (but not for MS-DOS)
set file name literal    ;To preserve upper/lower case AmigaDOS file names
define alpha set network x.25, set host 3106011111, connect
define beta  set network x.25, set host 3106022222, connect
set block 3        ;Use CRC
set window 3        ;Sliding windows - 3 slots
set send packet 3000    ;3KB packets
set rec packet 3000
set file display fullscreen
set control unprefix all    ; Disable prefixing of control characters
set control prefix 0 1 13 16 17 19    ; ^@ ^A ^M ^P ^Q ^S
set control prefix 128 129 141 144 145 147
--
Joe Smith     MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support
<[e-mail]> 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 [phone] v854
CA license plate: "POPJ P,"  36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!)
Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me."

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
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Subject: C-Kermit & automatic receive?
Date: 14 Feb 1995 10:07:15 GMT
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Hello,

in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that
did the following:
  During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into
  RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host.
  So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape
  character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return
  and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return.
Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement
the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps
on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could
send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated.

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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From: [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel)
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Subject: binary file conversion
Date: 19 Feb 1995 03:43:12 GMT
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Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that,
upon examination, were in some sort of modified format.  It seemed to
be something akin to uuencode.  I posted to several newsgroups trying
to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a
reply indicating that the files were in kermit format.  Can someone
tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or
pc-kermit?  I have examined the documentation and find no reference to
this encoding mechanism.

Following is an example header:

This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995
16:35:24.
155061 bytes.  Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E.
[*BINARY*128]
PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
!^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q
%[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~
g


I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring
the files from one place to another.  I have already done that, and
have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes.

Thanks for any assistance.

Ethan

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Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ram Gura) writes:
>> Hi There.
>> I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
>> to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
>> On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
>> There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
>> VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
>> how.
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions ?
>> Thank you
>> Ram Gura
> ------------------
>     a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits.
>        Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception.
>     b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS.
>     c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one
>        too.
>     All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu.
>     Joe D.

Not knowing what type of binary file, I'd warn you that doing a SET FILE
TYPE BINARY on both sides may not correctly create the file on VMS.  The
problem is that Kermit-32 wants to create such a file with VARYING record
lengths;  if the file in question is an .EXE file or a .OLB file, the
result won't be useable (VMS expects these to be fixed-length records of
512 bytes).  You are also likely to have problems transferring object
(.OBJ) files, because of problems with determining record delimiters when
transferring between PC and VAX and back (this operation will obliterate
the record boundaries and won't restore them properly).  The best approach
is to avoid transferring .OBJ files at all, and just transfer .OLB and
.EXE files, being sure to SET FILE TYPE FIXED on the VMS side and SET FILE
TYPE BINARY on the PC.

I'd echo Joe's comment about replacing Kermit-32 with C-Kermit.  It's a
much better program - much better throughput and many more options,
including the ability to transfer .OBJ files between VAXes by using the
SET FILE TYPE LABELLED command.  (You still can't transfer raw .OBJ files
from the VAX to the PC and back - you need to put them in some kind of
archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first).  If you are transferring .OLB or
.EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit
doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent.

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
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:     .
: output ADTD xxx xxxx\13
:     .
:     .
: input {username:}
: output chrisye\13
:     .
:     .
: output slip foo.foo.edu     ; setup my slip here.
: connect
: end
:
:      At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type
: "ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I
: run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is
: droped.
:     What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to
: sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection?

You can "output" any character with the "\" format, for instance \13 for
CTRL-M (carriage return).  CTRL-C is \3 (I can't tell whether you want
CTRL-C or CTRL-\, which would have a different value, followed by "c").

However, it looks to me as though you are trying to give the command to
C-Kermit, not to the distant machine.  In that case "output" is not
what you want.  In fact, I don't think you want to connect at all before
you run "slattach".  Why not continue the script with "run slattach" and
connect later?  If you need to wait for a message that the slip
connection is ok, you can use "input" the same way you did before sending
your username.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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    Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate.
    Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me.  Here's my prob.

    1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are
        in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view
        them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take
        me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks.

    2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry.  How
        do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead?

    Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta
    learn sometime....thanks.




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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: How to resume zmodem ?
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura) writes:
>
>Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason.  Under kermit,
>when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file
>from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped.  Is
>there a way around this?

Get a more complete ZMODEM implementation.

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
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From: [e-mail] (Xinnian Li)
Subject: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000
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Hi, kermit user guru:

I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and
a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and
uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend
to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file
type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers.

Any advice and help on this stupid question ?

thanks a lot.
--

=========================================================
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                   Request for Discussion (RFD)

    Newsgroup      : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra

    Status         : unmoderated
    Distribution   : Worldwide
    Summary        : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS
                     MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe
                     protocol converters including configuration,
                     problem solving techniques, file transfer
                     capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection
                     techniques, custom software programming, operating
                     system considerations, and various suggestions for
                     unique mainframe dial-up applications.

    Proponent      : Rick Sande ([e-mail])


    This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an
    unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra

    This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup
    Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups:

                  news.announce.newgroups
                  news.groups
                  comp.terminals
                  bit.listserv.ibm-main
                  bit.listserv.opers-l
                  comp.protocols.ibm
                  comp.unix.large
                  comp.dcom.lans.misc
                  comp.dcom.lans.token-ring
                  comp.dcom.modems
                  comp.protocols.kermit.misc
                  bit.listserv.ibm7171


   Discussion will take place in news.groups


                               CHARTER

  The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of
  technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe
  protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing.

  Specific subjects will include but are not limited to:

  Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications
  Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members
  Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection
  (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity.
  Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software
  Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas"
  System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications.
  Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM
  Microcode upgrade & regression procedures
  Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments
  Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270)

                          RATIONALE

  The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts &
  bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware"
  allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration
  samples to those less knowledgeable of the product.

                        PROCEDURE

  After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take
  place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming
  objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for
  votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting
  period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by
  receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as
  many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created.


  Thank you for your time.

  Rick Sande                  [e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi)
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Subject: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT?
Date: 19 Feb 1995 10:47:32 -0000
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What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second
computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my
main computer. Will a 286 do it?

//Markus


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From: [e-mail] (Timo Salmi)
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Subject: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation
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;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 19-Feb-95 09:34:14

; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish
; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland.
;
; This is needed since the Unix latin1 works differently than
; "advertised". I have no idea why this is the way it is,
; but this works for me, with the documented exception.

set terminal bytesize 8-bit
set terminal character-set latin1

set translation input on

;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet
set translation input \154 \94    ; Show U" as ^ (caret)
set translation input \129 \126   ; Show u" as ~ (tilde)
set translation input  \24 \129   ; Show ascii  24 as u"
set translation input \239 \154   ; Show ascii 239 as U"

; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters
set translation input \235 \132   ; Show ascii 235 as a"
set translation input \159 \148   ; Show ascii 159 as o"
set translation input \238 \134   ; Show ascii 238 as a'
set translation input  \30 \142   ; Show ascii  30 as A"
set translation input \251 \153   ; Show ascii 251 as O"
set translation input  \31 \143   ; Show ascii  31 as A'

; Here we have a problem
;
; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters.
; Latin1 161 is supposed to be inverted ?, but it is not.
; Latin1 163 is supposed to be pound sterling, but it is not.
; What is more this translation does not work! The output on the
; screen remains unchanged and shows wrong characters.
set translation input  \161 \168  ; Show dec 161 as inverted ?
set translation input  \163 \156  ; Show dec 163 as inverted pound sterling

; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters
set key \132 \235                 ; Key a" sends dec 235
set key \148 \159                 ; Key o" sends dec 159
set key \134 \238                 ; Key a' sends dec 238
set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends dec 30
set key \153 \251                 ; Key O" sends dec 251
set key \143 \31                  ; Key A' sends dec 31

; Keyboard redefinitions for other 8-bit Unix characters
set key \129 \252                 ; Key U" sends dec 252
set key \154 \220                 ; Key u" sends dec 220
set key \168 \161                 ; alt-1-6-8 sends dec 161 (works)
set key \156 \163                 ; alt-1-5-6 sends dec 163 (works)

; --------------------  End of MIXED.CMD ---------------------------

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
Prof. Timo Salmi      Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce
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From [e-mail] Mon Feb 13 14:35:45 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Rob Norris)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit
Date: 13 Feb 1995 14:35:45 GMT
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[e-mail] (Ram Gura) writes:

>Hi There.
>I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system
>to MS DOS system and back to the VMS.
>On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11
>There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the
>VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some
>how.

>Does anyone have any suggestions ?
>Thank you
>Ram Gura

We had the same problems here.  Went to C-Kermit on VMS. No problems now.
--
Rob Norris
Appalachian State University    | [phone]
Academic Computing Services    | [e-mail]

From [e-mail] Thu Feb 16 01:41:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (just me)
Subject: Zmodem with Kermit....
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We are using the telnet features of ckermit 5A(190) on several unix platforms
to connect to a modem server.

I was told that 190 could redirect the I/O so you could use protocols such as
zmodem. The problem is how?

I assumed you could use the ! shell command, but that doesn't work. Sorry for
a newbie question like this, but after going through the faq and other online
info, I couldn't find how to do this.


Thanks,
Alan Narup
IDS - Los Angeles

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From [e-mail] Wed Feb 15 10:47:35 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
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In article <[e-mail]>, "Mary P. McKnight" <[e-mail]> writes:
> I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
> Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
> problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
> message:
>
>  Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1
>   Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45
>   trying name ted
>  Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1
>   Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2
>  Cannot resolve address of host ted
>
> However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still
> running), Kermit works fine.
>
> Can someone please explain to me what's going on?  I need to have
> Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep
> closing it down.
------------------
    Never try to run two protocol stacks for the same protocol over
the same board at the same time. We warn of this in the docs and frequently
on the net. DOS/Windows is not a nifty multitasking system with a real
kernel and embedded TCP/IP stack that apps can share.
    To run two such stacks side by side you'll need two boards and
two IP addresses. Anything less is entirely up to you and not without
risk.
    Joe D.

From [e-mail] Thu Feb 16 03:27:38 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brian Bowman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: kermit missing ckucon.c
Date: 16 Feb 1995 03:27:38 GMT
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I seem to be missing ckucon.c from my kermit package.  Can sombody mail
me the latest version of this file so I can finish my compilation.


Thanks in advance,
Brian Bowman
[e-mail]

From [e-mail] Fri Feb 17 01:34:11 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3huanr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nackil Sung) writes:
>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
>> automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
>> TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
>> exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
>> who wants to use the different database.
>> Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.
>>
>> Nackil
>----------
>    I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your
>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using
>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will
>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines
>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some
>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give
>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then
>folks would use it at least part of the time.
>    Joe D.

How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and
returns to the main menu?  Then label the stations (either on
the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is.

    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

From [e-mail] Sun Feb 19 16:58:14 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How can I get rid of bell sound?
Date: 19 Feb 1995 16:58:14 GMT
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Dear netters:

    I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds.
I tried set bell off,  it does't work. Thanks.


David

From [e-mail] Sun Feb 19 07:05:58 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <3i6eog$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that,
> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format.  It seemed to
> be something akin to uuencode.  I posted to several newsgroups trying
> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a
> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format.  Can someone
> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or
> pc-kermit?  I have examined the documentation and find no reference to
> this encoding mechanism.
>
> Following is an example header:
>
> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995
> 16:35:24.
> 155061 bytes.  Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E.
> [*BINARY*128]
> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q
> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~
> g
>
>
> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring
> the files from one place to another.  I have already done that, and
> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Ethan
------------
    That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz,
of PKZIP fame.
    Joe D.

From [e-mail] Sun Feb 19 07:09:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: help i'm kermit retarded
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In article <3i6lea$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fabry Jennifer) writes:
>     Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate.
>     Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me.  Here's my prob.
>
>     1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are
>         in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view
>         them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take
>         me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks.
>
>     2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry.  How
>         do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead?
>
>     Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta
>     learn sometime....thanks.
--------
Dear il (oops, Jen),
    1. No help because essentially no information.
    2. Your mailer creates the name in the mailer header. See your
Univ Computer Center admin for assistance on that.
    3. Never let another person into your account to "help." If you
do then you are a sucker being taken. Change your password NOW, and close
off your account to outsiders.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT?
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In article <3i77k4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi) writes:
> What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second
> computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my
> main computer. Will a 286 do it?
>
> //Markus
---------
    An 8088 without a hard drive will do, provided it runs DOS and has
enough memory.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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In article <3i83hi$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes:
> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way
> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is
> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem
> on openVMS and how?  Thanks Arrigo
------------
    Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory
kermit on kermit.columbia.edu.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How can I get rid of bell sound?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Dear netters:
>
>     I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds.
> I tried set bell off,  it does't work. Thanks.
>
>
> David
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    Which Kermit, which operating mode?
    SET BELL OFF does work on MS-DOS Kermit, and for Connect mode
you also have the choice of a visual bell (screen flash).
    Joe D.

From [e-mail] Thu Feb 16 15:28:33 1995
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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
Date: 16 Feb 1995 15:28:33 GMT
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Dear Netters:

   I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that
you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever
telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe
to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code
of my keyboard?

    Thanks.


    David

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From: [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
Date: 20 Feb 1995 09:19:00 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:

>    I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which
>would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened:
>someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus
>inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by
>beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email.
>    Joe D.

Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind:

1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site?

2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text
file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site,
it was really only 10 megs.  uuencoded files increase in size
similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7.

My hope was that the extra data was not chopped off and lost, but
encoded back into the file itself, just as uuencode does.  If that was
so, it should be possible to do the reverse.

Either way, one thing is certain: this mess was indeed the result of a
"beginner". I tend to use a more derogatory word :-)

Ethan




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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically?
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In article <3huanr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nackil Sung) writes:
> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
> automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
> TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
> exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
> who wants to use the different database.
> Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.
>
> Nackil
----------
    I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your
larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using
a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will
leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines
have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some
of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give
up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then
folks would use it at least part of the time.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit  on irix 5.2 ?
Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:25:30 GMT
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In article <3hr86v$[e-mail]>,
Phil Neal <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running
>Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ?
>
anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cko190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then
give the appropriate "make" command, which should produce an
executable called "wermit", in your case "make irix51ypc".

Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired
location, such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for
additional installation instructions.

Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how
to use the softare and how to get the most out of it, and sales of
the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work.

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000
Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:31:22 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Xinnian Li <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and
>a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and
>uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend
>to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file
>type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers.
>
>Any advice and help on this stupid question ?
>
Read the documentation?

For those who prefer not to read the documentation, the following short
excerpt is reproduced from the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT):

Kermit transfers files in text mode by default.  This means that record
formats and character sets are likely to be converted.  You can tell Kermit
to skip all conversions and transfer the file literally, as-is, with the
command:

  SET FILE TYPE BINARY

Normally, it is sufficient to give this command to the FILE SENDER before
giving it the SEND command.  But there are some exceptions to this rule:

 1. One or both Kermits do not support "Attribute packets" (or they are
    disabled).  This is true of many of the commercial and shareware
    Kermit implementations.  Cure: tell BOTH Kermits to use binary mode.

 2. You are using some combination of C-Kermit 5A(190) or later, MS-DOS
    Kermit 3.14 or later, or IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1 or later in
    client server mode.  In this case, it is the CLIENT's file type setting,
    rather than the file sender's, that prevails.  Cure: tell the CLIENT
    to SET FILE TYPE BINARY, or to be extra sure, tell them both.

 3. You are sending the file from VMS C-Kermit, which is unique among
    Kermit programs in its ability to automatically switch between text
    and binary mode based on the file's characteristics.  VMS C-Kermit
    ignores SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT when sending
    files, and instead uses binary mode if the file's record format is
    Fixed, and text mode otherwise.  However, some binary files, notably
    VMS ZIP files, are stored using a "text-style" record format
    (Stream_LF), so Kermit sends them in text mode.  You can override
    this by telling it to SET FILE TYPE IMAGE.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
Date: 16 Feb 1995 17:59:04 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>   I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that
>you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever
>telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe
>to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code
>of my keyboard?

Three solutions:
    1: by using "^]^]" you can have Kermit send the escape
       character on through so that Telnet can see it;
    2: use "set escape 28" to change the Kermit escape
       character to "^\";
    3: use telnet's "set escape" command.

To get the scan code of a key on your keyboard, use Kermit's
"show key" command.

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:55:39 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that
>you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever
>telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe
>to resovle this conflict?
>
Anyone who has read the manual, or even who has looked at
the popup help screen for ^] should be able to help you.

Ctrl-] (may differ on non-USA keyboards; e.g. on German
keyboards it is Strg-+) is Kermit's escape character,
which is, indeed, just like UNIX telnet's.  And, like UNIX
telnet, Kermit will send one copy of its escape character
if you type two of them in a row.

For further details, listen Guy Steele's hit song,
"Ctrl-Uparrow C"...

> Also how can I get the scan code of my keyboard?
>
You mean, how can you find out the scan code of a particular
key?  At the MS-Kermit prompt, type "show key" and then press
the desired key or key combination.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ?
Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:00:24 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Thomas Rusch <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS
>
Die FTP-Site fuer C-Kermit und alle andere Kermit-Software ist:

  kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]

Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit?
Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:06:07 GMT
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In article <3i543p$[e-mail]>,
Seung-Chul Woo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I hope this is a right place to post.
>I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to
>put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file.
>I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain.
>
Try this:

  set dial dial-command ATL0DT%s\{13}

This will turn off your modem's speaker every time you give a
DIAL command.

Or if you just want to send the command to your modem at some
particular time, e.g. before dialing:

  output ATL0\13

etc.  There are many variations on this.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ?
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In article <3ialbo$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...
>Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z.
>
Oops:

Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z.
                                                 ^^^^^^^^
- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
Date: 19 Feb 1995 21:00:17 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3i6eog$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
>> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that,
>> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format.  It seemed to
>> be something akin to uuencode.  I posted to several newsgroups trying
>> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a
>> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format.  Can someone
>> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or
>> pc-kermit?  I have examined the documentation and find no reference to
>> this encoding mechanism.
>>
>> Following is an example header:
>>
>> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995
>> 16:35:24.
>> 155061 bytes.  Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E.
>> [*BINARY*128]
>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
>> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q
>> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~
>> g
>>
>>
>> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring
>> the files from one place to another.  I have already done that, and
>> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes.
>>
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>
>> Ethan
>------------
>    That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz,
>of PKZIP fame.
>    Joe D.


It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file.  What has
happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit
characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone.  Some else
sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8
bit files over a 7 bit connection.  It might not have anything to do
with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the
question to this group.  Here is the email I got, reprinted without
persmission:

>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit
>would normally decode.  ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means
>add X'80'.  There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be
>repeat count codes as well.  It's not an obvious code for storing files,
>though.

Ethan

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP?
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In <3hqtj4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] ([e-mail]) writes:
>Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a
>data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP
>connection..... Can it?

C-Kermit cannot provide a SLIP connection.  For a SLIP connection you need
something like WARP's Internet Access Kit.

After you have a working SLIP connection, C-Kermit for OS/2 will provide you
with a very solid Telnet client which can be used over any TCP/IP network.



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From: [e-mail] (David G. Risner)
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Subject: Printing from scripts
Date: 16 Feb 1995 20:04:47 -0800
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How does one print from within a script?

Thanks,
David G. Risner
[e-mail]
Anaheim, CA


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:39:30 GMT
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In article <3i8bh1$[e-mail]>,
Ethan J. Rasiel <[e-mail]> wrote:
.....
>>> [*BINARY*128]
>>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
>>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
>
>It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file.  What has
>happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit
>characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone.  Some else
>sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8
>bit files over a 7 bit connection.
>
Yes, but the receiving Kermit program -- if it is implements the Kermit
protocol correctly -- puts the data back the way it was originally before
writing it to the file.

>It might not have anything to do
>with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the
>question to this group.  Here is the email I got, reprinted without
>permission:
>>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit
>>would normally decode.  ^ means exclusive or with X'40'

Actually, the "#" character is normally used for this.  The user would have
to go out of her way to change the control prefix in order to achieve this
effect.

>>...and ' means add X'80'.

Normally the "&" character is used for this.  Again, the user would have to
take extraordinary measures to change this.

>>There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and
>>there may be repeat count codes as well.  It's not an obvious code for
>>storing files, though.

It wasn't meant to be.

If the complaint is that the file was transferred with "kermit" and the
results were as shown above, then the most likely explanation is that a
faulty Kermit implementation was used on one or both ends.  A less likely
explanation is that (a) a faulty implementation was used on only one end
AND (b) the user changed all sorts of defaults in order to get the file
stored in the manner it was.

A third explanation is that the file really does not look the way we see
it above at all, but the excerpt above is the result of "typing" a binary
file on a computer whose terminal (console) driver displays control
characters in ^X notation and 8-bit characters in ~X notation.  Hmmm, sort
of like MS-DOS Kermit's SET DEBUG SESSION display...

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher) writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>In article <3huanr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nackil Sung) writes:
>>>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
>>>> automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
>>>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
>>>> TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
>>>> exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
>>>> who wants to use the different database.
>>>> Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Nackil
>>>----------
>>>    I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your
>>>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using
>>>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will
>>>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines
>>>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some
>>>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give
>>>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then
>>>folks would use it at least part of the time.
>>>    Joe D.
>>
>> How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and
>> returns to the main menu?  Then label the stations (either on
>> the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is.
>>
>>     Erik
>--------------
>    Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things.
>    Poorly written library access software is the problem, and
>that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info
>retrieval folks lag sooo far behind.
>    Joe D.

I was misunderstood.  If the connections are being made by Kermit
then define a key to be the escape key inside the driving Kermit
script.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding the application though.

    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: [e-mail] (Sven Andreassen)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95
Date: 17 Feb 1995 10:16:09 +0100
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In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
> > Does anyone know if
> > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP?  These are all virutal mode
> > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows.
> > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them.  Thanks for your help.
> ----------------
> Why do people keep trying these things, sigh.

Well, maybe they actually need to make Kermit work with newer
versions of Windows....  I had a similar question, (conserning WFW 3.11),
and got help from this conference.

I guess this question will pop up from time to time until Kermit
becomes winsock-compatible one way or another.  TCP/IP has grown
to be the major Network protocol, and most TCP/IP applications
made theese days are winsock-compatible.  If the Kermit developers
wants to keep its strong position in PC-LAN communication, I belive
they have to make their product winsock-compatible.

When that is said, I will add that thousands of people ae
greatful that Kermit is made available as freeware. If the
developing costs are too high to make a windows version of Kermit,
making newer versions shareware should cover those costs.

Best regards.

Sven Andreassen.

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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
Date: 20 Feb 1995 19:45:25 -0600
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In article <3i2ru6$[e-mail]>,
Leila Burrell-Davis <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Mary P. McKnight ([e-mail]) wrote:
>% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
>% Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
>% problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
>% message:
>
>You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great
>manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux
>last time I looked.)

There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version
of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from:
kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip  (16 bit) and
kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip  (32 bit NT).

It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions
appear to be there.  I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues
that affect this version later.  At the moment the only restriction
on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original
files together.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Becker)
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In article <3i6g5n$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
  (Joe R. Doupnik) writes:
>--------------
>    The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct
>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is
>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen
>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status
>line.

I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with.  Two questions:

 a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line?
 b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the
    cursor is directed there?  Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line?

> So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo
> material to discover the error there.

I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine
is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that.

Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever
else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above.

>    Joe D.
>

Thanks for your time -

Mark
+----------------------------------------+--------------------------+
| Mark Becker    <[e-mail]>     | #include <std.disclaimer>|
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
Subject: How to resume zmodem ?
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Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason.  Under kermit,
when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file
from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped.  Is
there a way around this?

--
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>In article <3i83hi$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes:
>> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way
>> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is
>> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem
>> on openVMS and how?  Thanks Arrigo
>------------
>    Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory
>kermit on kermit.columbia.edu.
>    Joe D.


ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site,
TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb.  Be sure to use binary
mode for the transfer!

The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".  To be fair, please
download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion.

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :)
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In article <3i0qgo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
>
>
> --
> Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple
> for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :)
>
> I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI.
> However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote
> caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the
> program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but
> I don't receive the correct ANSI characters.  (aka where I should get a block
> i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI  I
> get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and
> lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote
> print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no
> support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to
> either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to
> lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in
> ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102
> but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102")
-------------
    You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is
sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character
set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code
Page in the display adapter.
    These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using
MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <3huanr$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Nackil Sung) writes:
>>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects
>>> automatically after a certain period of idle time?       I'm a librarian
>>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through
>>> TCP/IP.  Students usually search a particular database and leave without
>>> exiting completely.  This usually causes confusion for the next student
>>> who wants to use the different database.
>>> Can you help me?   Thanx in advance.
>>>
>>> Nackil
>>----------
>>    I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your
>>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using
>>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will
>>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines
>>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some
>>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give
>>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then
>>folks would use it at least part of the time.
>>    Joe D.
>
> How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and
> returns to the main menu?  Then label the stations (either on
> the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is.
>
>     Erik
--------------
    Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things.
    Poorly written library access software is the problem, and
that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info
retrieval folks lag sooo far behind.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Printing from scripts
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In article <3i178v$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David G. Risner) writes:
> How does one print from within a script?
--------------
    Print what?
    RUN COPY filename PRN  works, of course.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Leila Burrell-Davis)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
Date: 17 Feb 1995 19:03:34 GMT
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Mary P. McKnight ([e-mail]) wrote:
% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
% Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
% problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
% message:

You should read the documentation that comes with Kermit in the
networks subdirectory. Basically, Kermit won't work over the same
stack as Trumpet Winsock at the same time. However, we have had good
results running the two over pktmux, but it's a bit hairy and I'm
sometimes amazed that it works at all.

You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great
manual. (Its home si
e was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux
last time I looked.)

Leila
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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
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Subject: MS Kermit and ICMPs
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I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
with a 1000 bytes packet.

Is this supposed to work?  Just curious.
--
Armand Zakarian

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Date: 21 Feb 1995 18:49:53 GMT
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Dear netters:

    I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great
communication software to use. But I have a little
problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from
my host machine, my screen will be full of junk
characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly.

    How should I setup my kermit to do the hangup?

    Thanks.


David

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How to hangup properly?
Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:19:56 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great
>communication software to use. But I have a little
>problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from
>my host machine, my screen will be full of junk
>characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly.
>
On the contrary, it sounds as if you did hang up properly.
The burst of junk is typical behavior from modems when
the connection is hung up from the other end, which is
usually what happens when you log out from the remote
host or service.

In MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, you can also "set carrier on",
which should have the effect of popping you back to the
MS-Kermit> prompt as soon as carrier drops.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs
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In article <3i37sg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
> respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
> with a 1000 bytes packet.
>
> Is this supposed to work?  Just curious.
> --
> Armand Zakarian
---------------
    MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as
pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready
way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max
packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite
what it should be?
    Joe D.
--------------
$ multinet ping /data=1000 jrd.usu.edu
PING JRD.USU.EDU (129.123.1.45): 1000 data bytes
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=0 time=11 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=1 time=5 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=2 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=3 time=7 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=4 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=5 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=6 time=7 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=7 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=8 time=6 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=9 time=5 ms
1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=10 time=5 ms
- Cancel -


----JRD.USU.EDU PING Statistics----
11 packets transmitted, 11 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 5/6/11


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :)
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In article <3i372u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
> Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : In article <3i0qgo$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
>          (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
> : >
> : >
> : > --
> : > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple
> : > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :)
> : >
> : > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI.
> : > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote
> : > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the
> : > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but
> : > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters.  (aka where I should get a
>     block
> : > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI  I
> : > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and
> : > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote
> : > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no
> : > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to
> : > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to
> : > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in
> : > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102
> : > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE
>     VT102")
> : -------------
> :     You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is
> : sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character
> : set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code
> : Page in the display adapter.
> :     These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using
> : MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen.
> :     Joe D.
>
> --
> No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using
> Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still
> getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting
> triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat
> characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I
> checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437.
>
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Please help :)
-----------
    Ok, I have not the slightest idea of what the host is sending.
One more guess then two suggestions. The guess is the host is sending bytes
with the high bit set to a 7-bit terminal kind, and the high bits get
lost (yielding funny stuff from the first 32 bytes in the PC display
adapter Code Page).
    The suggestions are:
    Use a VT320 emulation, and if that does not work for you then
    Send me a session log with come added commentary on what the
screen ought to look like in places. Please uuencode because it's a
binary file, and send directly to me at [e-mail]. Details about
your end of interest would be useful too (what terminal kind during
the log, MSK version number, anything else you think is helpful).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit
Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:18:29 -0800
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In article <[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first).  If you are transferring .OLB or
>.EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit
>doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent.
>
I beg to differ.  On C-Kermit for Vax/VMS systems, a

SET FILE TYPE BINARY

command produces fixed-length-record files, just as a


SET FILE TYPE FIXED

does in Kermit-32.  Furthermore, the default record-length for the
fixed-length records produced by binary mode in C-Kermit is 512
bytes as it is for type "FIXED" in Kermit32.  This is what VMS
expects for .EXE files.

One thing I neglected to point out in my earlier post was kindly
pointed out by another gentleman:  Kermit-32's BINARY mode produces
variable-length-record files and one must use a program like
VAR2FIX (and perhaps then Joe Meadows's FILE utility) to produce
files acceptable to VMS.

--
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From: [e-mail] (lbliao)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: AUTOMATING KERMIT DOWNLOADING AND UPLOADING DURING NIGHT
Date: 18 Feb 1995 17:20:06 GMT
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Dear Netters,

I have an account that only has a quota of 1Meg. During the day I download
files into various directories in a directory structure. During the night
I want to write an automated script that will move various files to various
directories. In short I am lookig for script or looking for kermit commands
and example scripts that can do that. I also have a Z-modem. zs -y allows
transfer w/o going to the PC's zmodem and manually down-loading.

Please tell me how to do this.

Lily Liao



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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:44:17 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".

Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?

--
Joe Huber
[e-mail]
817-557-3186

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs
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In article <3i5fmh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <3i37sg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
>>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
>>> respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
>>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
>>> with a 1000 bytes packet.
>>---------------
>>    MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as
>>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready
>>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max
>>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite
>>what it should be?
>>    Joe D.
>>--------------
> [...]
>
> Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and
> P. Tattam's slipper.   I just tried pinging with 500 byte
> packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming
> from the speaker.
>
> It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware
> is causing this behavior.  Anyone else running SLIP care to
> try it?
>
> BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in
> SLIP.  It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size
> packets.  And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering
> SLIP mode.
--------------------
    The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration
problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure
that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can
clobber an existing driver.
    Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is
not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest
MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number
of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2
headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted).
    SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Prior)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: AS/400 to Unix Dialup File Transfer
Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:41:34 GMT
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[ Article crossposted from comp.protocols.ibm ]
[ Author was Bruce Prior ]
[ Posted on 19 Feb 1995 23:40:06 GMT ]

Can anyone please let me know of a cheap and simple way of implementing
dialup file transfer from an AS/400 to an AT&T GIS Unix system. The
central Unix box does NOT have SNA, APPC, LU6.2, etc, etc, but DOES have
Kermit, FTP (via SLIP/PPP terminal server), X.400, SNMP, UUCP, etc. The
AS/400 systems do NOT have a terminal server or a router, but some have
attached PCs. I know that AS/400 now comes with TCP/IP, and I also know
that the IBM implementation does not come with SLIP or PPP. I also know
that Kermit is not available for AS/400. Can someone set me straight on
this?

The solution offered must be inexpensive (ie. less than say US $1000 per
site over 5 sites.)

Please reply to the email address below.

Thanks in Advance, Paul Leopardi for Bruce Prior and Fergus Ryder
[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin J. Scott)
Subject: C-kermit Linux bug in thermometer
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Hi,
I have run C-Kermit 5A (190) from several different versions of Linux,
and have found an annoying bug. When I do file transfers using the full
screen gauge everything works fine until the transfers are done then the
screen scrolling locks up. I can ^Z out of kermit and run "reset" to get
the vidio back to normal but with things over-writing each other at the
bottom of the screen it is hard to see what I am doing :-) . My TERM is
set to "console" and I don't have any terminals hooked to the machine to
test other types.

     Thanx!


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used?
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In article <3hn07m$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (4th Dimension) writes:
>I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the
>remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput.
>Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window
>used out of the three.
>Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong?

It means that everything is working properly.

I have used kermit on a networks where the round-trip delay was 3/4th of the
amount of time required to send a 960 byte packet at 9600 baud.  Watching the
lights I saw the following:
  1) RD light on solid for 1.0 seconds.
  2) SD light blips immediately after end of packet as ACK is sent.
  3) Both lights out for 0.75 seconds as ACK wends it way through network,
     eventually getting to the remote host, which immediately sends next
     packet, and that packet takes a significant amount of time to make
     its way all the way to my end.

The delay through the network was causing the thruput to be pretty bad.
Switching to 3000 byte packets helped, but not by much.  Without sliding
windows (or with window slots set to 1), kermit was still operating in
half-duplex mode.

Then I switched to a version of kermit that handled sliding windows.
Setting the number of window slots to be anything above 1 made all the
difference.  The receiving end saw a continuous stream of packets;
the RD light was on solid.  It reported only 1 window slot in use because
all the incoming packets had good checksums; it did not have to buffer up
any partial or out-of-order packets.

The sending end saw 1.75 window slots in use.  That is, it sent out the first
packet, and because sliding windows were in use, started sending out the
second packet even though the ACK for the first packet had not arrived yet.
About three quarters of the way through the second packet was when the ACK
did arrive.  When kermit got ready to send the third packet, it saw that the
first packet had been ACKed, the only one packet was outstanding waiting for
its ACK, and the window size was big enough to allow it to send out another
one.

If I were to try to run kermit between a machine in Europe and one in the US,
I would expect to see 3 or more window slots in use, as reported by the
sending kermit.  As long as the packets all arrived with good checksums, the
receiving kermit should say that it had only one window slot in use.

Summary: Setting the number of window slots to be greater than 1 at both
ends makes a big difference in transfer speed.  You should expect the
receiving kermit to report that only 1 of the window slots was actually
used.
    -Joe
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From: [e-mail] (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO)
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Subject: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way
to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is
very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem
on openVMS and how?  Thanks Arrigo

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Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation
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In article <3ia59h$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kaukasoina Petri) writes:
:Timo Salmi <[e-mail]> wrote:
:>set terminal bytesize 8-bit
:>set terminal character-set latin1
:
:These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you
:could elaborate your extra translations?

Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS
PC over a modem connection to a Unix host?  Likewise, have you
actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that
connection?

:Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For
:example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and
:then you want to see D when you get control code 30:
:
:>set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends dec 30
:>set translation input  \30 \142   ; Show ascii  30 as A"
:
:I am very interested to know why you need those translations.

Yes. So am I. SO AM I!!!  I am a bit frustrated of hearing how it
should work, but no one having set up the new Finnish convention
being able to demonstrate it work over the said conditions in actual
practice.

   All the best, Timo

..................................................................
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From: [e-mail] (Robert Lemire)
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Subject: ioctl causes side affects with hp-ux x29server
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We use kermit to transfer files from PC to hp-ux using the x.25 network.
When the PC accesses hp-ux it instructs kermit to enter server mode.
It is at this point that kermit issues ioctl() calls which has the affect
of generating a command to the PAD.  Set PAD parameter 3 to 127, forward
packets on ALL characters.  We would like to keep our setting of 2, which
forwards only on reception of <cr>.  The x.25 support is provide by hp.
I have been told this is generated by the command "stty -icanon".  I
do not know which ioctl() appears to be generating this.

1) I would like to know which ioctl() call is generating this?  We have
traced it from the x.25 side and it appears to be the second or third
TCSETA ioctl() call.

2) I am trying to test this theory out in a little C test program ( get
pty, call ioctl ) but cannot get results since I have not programmed
down to the unix device level.  A little skeleton program would be very
appreciated.


thanks a million...

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From: [e-mail] (FIGHT THE POWER)
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Subject: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
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    Greetings to the Kermit community. I am seeking advice
regarding accessing a UNIX (FreeBSD specifically) system from an
IBM 3278 system via a telnet-type connection. I know virtually
nothing of the logistics regarding this type of connection but I
_am_ aware of the problems of full-screen buffering vs.
character-at-a-time common to IBM <-> other-system connections.
Does there exist a Kermit flavor for the IBM which can assist in
connecting? Pointers to a relevant Kermit and document(s) would
be most appreciated. Thank you.
    Reply here or via email to <[e-mail]>
    Signed, Another Happy MSKermit User :-)
--
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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:20 GMT
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In article <3ie4th$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Huber) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>
>Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?

Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it.
If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
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In article <3i8cg9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Becker) writes:
> In article <3i6g5n$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>   (Joe R. Doupnik) writes:
>>--------------
>>    The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct
>>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is
>>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen
>>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status
>>line.
>
> I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with.  Two questions:
>
>  a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line?

    Yes, it's status line.

>  b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the
>     cursor is directed there?  Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line?

    No, the status line is never part of the rest of the screen.
    May I direct you to cryptic doc file MSVIBM.VT, copy in kermit/a
    on watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Compare what the host sends (LOG
    SESSION) with that doc.

    Joe D.

>> So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo
>> material to discover the error there.
>
> I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine
> is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that.
>
> Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever
> else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above.
>
>>    Joe D.
>>
>
> Thanks for your time -
>
> Mark
> +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+
> | Mark Becker    <[e-mail]>     | #include <std.disclaimer>|
> +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <3i8bh1$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>In article <3i6eog$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
>>> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that,
>>> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format.  It seemed to
>>> be something akin to uuencode.  I posted to several newsgroups trying
>>> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a
>>> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format.  Can someone
>>> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or
>>> pc-kermit?  I have examined the documentation and find no reference to
>>> this encoding mechanism.
>>>
>>> Following is an example header:
>>>
>>> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995
>>> 16:35:24.
>>> 155061 bytes.  Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E.
>>> [*BINARY*128]
>>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~
>>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G
>>> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q
>>> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring
>>> the files from one place to another.  I have already done that, and
>>> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any assistance.
>>>
>>> Ethan
>>------------
>>    That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz,
>>of PKZIP fame.
>>    Joe D.
>
>
> It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file.  What has
> happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit
> characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone.  Some else
> sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8
> bit files over a 7 bit connection.  It might not have anything to do
> with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the
> question to this group.  Here is the email I got, reprinted without
> persmission:
>
>>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit
>>would normally decode.  ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means
>>add X'80'.  There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be
>>repeat count codes as well.  It's not an obvious code for storing files,
>>though.
>
> Ethan
-----------------
    Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just
isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit
is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are
misunderstood on both ends).
    I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of
trying to get a clean copy of the original file.
    Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.

... can't comment on this.
>
> I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
> that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
> MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
> point.

Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or
"startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have
KERMIT installed.  I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to
startup up in Windows correctly.

There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this
on bootup.  ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT

Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend.

<snip>

>
> I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
> enhanced mode.

I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly
workable.

Hope this helps!

Charles   [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
Date: 20 Feb 1995 01:53:46 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:

>    Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just
>isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit
>is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are
>misunderstood on both ends).
>    I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of
>trying to get a clean copy of the original file.
>    Joe D.


Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then.  The thing is, files
of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites,
uploaded by different people.  So I'm lead to believe that this is not
the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human
error in encoding a file when it was not necessary.  In every case I
have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded.

If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what
did?  I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could
think of that could be relevent.  I have also downloaded every decoder
I could fine but none works.  I wonder if this might have been
produced on a different architechture than pc entirely.  Perhaps
macintosh, or a vax or somesuch.

Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a
previous post.  Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go
home?  This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer
related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me...

This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995
18:28:40.10336
854 bytes.  Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5.
[*BINARY*128]PK
^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W
~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~
c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~


Thanks again...

Ethan


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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:44:53 GMT
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It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system.
If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET
command that does all you need to connect.  There is no way to avoid the
requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to
the Unix host, so what are you looking for?  Surely, you don't want to
have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for
logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)??  I suppose, if
you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC
running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the
PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something
else...
                    John Chandler

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <3i8sna$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>>    Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just
>>isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit
>>is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are
>>misunderstood on both ends).
>>    I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of
>>trying to get a clean copy of the original file.
>>    Joe D.
>
>
> Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then.  The thing is, files
> of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites,
> uploaded by different people.  So I'm lead to believe that this is not
> the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human
> error in encoding a file when it was not necessary.  In every case I
> have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded.
>
> If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what
> did?  I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could
> think of that could be relevent.  I have also downloaded every decoder
> I could fine but none works.  I wonder if this might have been
> produced on a different architechture than pc entirely.  Perhaps
> macintosh, or a vax or somesuch.
>
> Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a
> previous post.  Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go
> home?  This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer
> related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me...
>
> This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995
> 18:28:40.10336
> 854 bytes.  Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5.
> [*BINARY*128]PK
> ^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W
> ~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~
> c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~
>
>
> Thanks again...
>
> Ethan
-----------
    I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which
would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened:
someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus
inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by
beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Erik Hatcher)
Subject: Z-modem called from C-Kermit [VAX/VMS]??
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I know this is blasphemy!  I'm a Kermit fan
and I wouldn't be asking this if it wasn't necessary.

I need to transfer a file to a site using
Procomm Plus for Windows and I've tried with Kermit
and it doesn't seem to be working right.  It sends
about 48% of a 1.2meg file and then starts dying for
no apparent reason.

I would like to attempt to transfer using Z-modem,
but the Z-modem must be called from within Kermit.
I know this can be done but I can't seem to locate
a version of Z-modem that is designed to be called
this way.

I'm running on a VAX system running the VMS O/S.

If anyone has any suggestions on getting the regular
Kermit transfer to work, or on locating the
right Z-modem program, let me know.

Much thanks,
    Erik
--
Erik Hatcher                           + "But every now and then we just have
http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h |  to howl with the wolves."
                                       |        - Werner Heisenberg
---------------------------------------+-------------------------------------

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From: Peter Schmolck <[e-mail]>
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Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95
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James Klaas <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS,
> but I really didn't find anything that could help me out.  Does anyone know if
> I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP?  These are all virutal mode
> drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows.
> I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them.  Thanks for your help.
>

According to the following excerpt from:
   ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/readme

"Ndis3pkt.386 is a Windows VxD (Virtual Device) which provides a
packet driver interface on top of NDIS version 3.  It allows packet
driver applications to be used in a WfWG 3.11 (and, theoretically,
Chicago) without loading any real-mode software components.  Ndis3pkt
^^^^^^^^
performs all the VM (virtual machine) switching required to insure that
the correct application receives packet upcalls, i.e., it includes the
functionality of winpkt.  In addition, ndis3pkt is willing to deliver
the same packet type (and even the same packet) to multiple clients
in multiple VMs.  An optional tcp multiplexor allow several tcp stacks
to exist on the same IP address under certain circumstances."

   ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/ndis3pkt.386

might do it. I have not yet installed it (under WfW 3.11), and would
be interested myself to hear from somebody who has installed it.



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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>> In article <3hpvcj$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>
>> --------------
>> UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE
>>
>> The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320
>> terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support
>> Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as
>> DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction.
>
>
> Is there a way to disable this?  this seems to have broken our Wordperfect
> office screens on VMS, the screen write backwards, and we've been going
> nuts over this off and on...  Our secretaries have been using kermit 3.12,
> we switched over to a lan, and they all got 3.13 and we thought it was the
> lan.  it may be, but for a quickie look, can the disabling be done?
---------------
    The way to solve the problem (since we can't disable something
which is no longer present in the code) is to put the new APC commands
into WordPerfect. Please do see the release docs for MSK 3.14 and the
WP/VMS docs.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (David Perry)
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Subject: Kermit identifier ESC sequence?
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This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS
version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to
send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that
Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies
itself as being a Kermit emulator?

We have some programmers who are writing an application and
would like to query the connecting terminal to find out
if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator.

Thanks for any help.
---
---------------------------------------------------------------------
David W. Perry
Computer Sciences Corp.
Brooks AFB, TX
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Kaukasoina Petri)
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Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation
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Timo Salmi <[e-mail]> wrote:
>; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish
>; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland.

Well, some universities decided to adopt ISO Latin 8859-1. It is a
character set for West European languages, not only Finnish.

>set terminal bytesize 8-bit
>set terminal character-set latin1

These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you
could elaborate your extra translations?

For example:

>;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet

No it does not, but it belongs to Latin1 and there are lots of
people in Finland who have letter u-umlaut in their name. Why do you
want to change it to tilde? Latin1 contains both characters.

Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For
example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and
then you want to see D when you get control code 30:

>set key \142 \30                  ; Key A" sends dec 30
>set translation input  \30 \142   ; Show ascii  30 as A"

I am very interested to know why you need those translations.

-Petri

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP.
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In article <3ib1v3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin) writes:
>
>
> --
>
>     Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show
> the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might
> you ask).  Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a
> ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102
> emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need
> kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the
> correct characters presently I am setting:
> SET TERM VT102
> SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT
>
> and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that
> looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U.  However
> all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and
> SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI.
> But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE
> I GO BALD..
>
>
> [e-mail]
> or
> [e-mail]
----------
    VT100's are 7 bit devices, yet your host is sending an 8-bit code
to judge by your description (values are useful here rather than just visual
appearance, LOG SESSION to capture the binaries). VT220's and above support
8-bit incoming bytes. Try SET TERM VT320.
    ESC [ c  is a request for device attributes, and the reponses
change according to terminal type. It's a DEC function. MS-DOS Kermit
responds the same as if it were a VT100. See manual text file msvibm.vt
for details on this item.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <3i5fmh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]>,
>> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>In article <3i37sg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian) writes:
>>>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should
>>>> respond to pings.  It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP).
>>>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged
>>>> with a 1000 bytes packet.
>>>---------------
>>>    MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as
>>>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready
>>>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max
>>>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite
>>>what it should be?
>>>    Joe D.
>>>--------------
>> [...]
>>
>> Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and
>> P. Tattam's slipper.   I just tried pinging with 500 byte
>> packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming
>> from the speaker.
>>
>> It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware
>> is causing this behavior.  Anyone else running SLIP care to
>> try it?
>>
>> BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in
>> SLIP.  It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size
>> packets.  And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering
>> SLIP mode.
> --------------------
>     The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration
> problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure
> that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can
> clobber an existing driver.
>     Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is
> not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest
> MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number
> of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2
> headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted).
>     SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it.
>     Joe D.
--------------
    Adding more to my own message, but delayed sufficiently to escape
critisism for following up myself...
    Reproducing your situation here shows no Ping response. That's a
bug, a minor and nearly harmless one but still a bug. I'll try to see if
I can patch it, but no promises. The bug is SLIP lacks a MAC address
(Ethernet address kind of thing) and the code constantly checks for NULL
values. Well, one place did but should have checked for SLIP conditions
first, and that killed an outgoing ICMP reply for SLIP only. Working around
that item here is a test with ping ICMP packets small enough to fit into a
SLIP frame:

$ ping -s slip.usu.edu 950
PING slip.usu.edu: 950 data bytes
958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=0. time=2160. ms
958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=1. time=2160. ms
958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=2. time=2170. ms
    etc

    I also did massive file transfers (massive in the sense of time,
file sizes only 250KB or so) back and forth with no trouble. This is
using SLIP8250.COM shipped with MSK, and using no flow control at all.
Thus the crashing and burning you experience is not seen here and again
I suggest that your machine's configuration probably needs attention.
    Also, I strongly recommend keeping MSS's and MTU's small enough
to avoid IP fragmentation; it's bad news.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
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Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.


Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini
file located in your Windows directory.
--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (Mike R. Langevin)
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Subject: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP.
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--

    Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show
the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might
you ask).  Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a
ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102
emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need
kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the
correct characters presently I am setting:
SET TERM VT102
SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT

and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that
looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U.  However
all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and
SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI.
But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE
I GO BALD..


[e-mail]
or
[e-mail]


Thanks a million and a half.


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence?
Date: 23 Feb 1995 15:42:12 GMT
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In article <3i0fi5$[e-mail]>,
David Perry <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS
>version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to
>send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that
>Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies
>itself as being a Kermit emulator?
>
No.

>We have some programmers who are writing an application and
>would like to query the connecting terminal to find out
>if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator.
>
We have added this capability to later versions of Kermit.
Version 3.14 is the first one in which it is fully
implemented.  If:

 (1) The host sends the ENQ (Ctrl-E) character, AND

 (2) Kermit has been told to "set terminal answerback on",

THEN Kermit will respond with an identification string
that looks like this:

  MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_VT320<CR>

where "314" is the version (which will increase over
time), "VT320" is the active terminal emulation (which
can vary), and <CR> is a carriage return.  You can also
set up Kermit to append additional text to this message,
before the CR.  For additional details, see the
KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file
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In article <3idoq0$[e-mail]>, Bradley Pick <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file.
> When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX".
>
> I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX"
>
> Any help is appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
> [e-mail]
----------
Brad,
    I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could
you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key
before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world
(your News message is largely chopped off on the right side).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.

    Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host
text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of
Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o
and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode.
SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing.
    If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful
inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK
release docs for hints on this matter.

> I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
> that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
> MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
> point.
>
> I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS
> prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but
> not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or
> KERMIT.PIF.
    Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will
help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver,
despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term.
Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping
for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before
attempting to run Kermit in Windows.

> I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
> enhanced mode.
    4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest
I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks.
    Joe D.

> Dennis
> [e-mail]
>
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file
Date: 23 Feb 1995 19:21:21 GMT
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In article <3idoq0$[e-mail]>,
Bradley Pick <[e-mail]> writes:
> I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one
> text file and write it to a second file.  When reading the first file I
> want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that
> contains "XXXXX".  I can do the part of reading and writing to a new
> file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that
> contains "XXXXX"
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier releases) has string functions you can
use for things like this.  In particular, \findex(pattern,string,pos)
looks for "pattern" in "string" starting at position "pos".  Here's a
sample script program:

  open read oofa.txt
  if fail stop 1 Can't open input file
  open write oofa.new
  if fail stop 1 Can't open output file
  :LOOP
  read \%a
  if fail goto done
  if > \fsubstr(XXXXX,\%a,1) 0 goto done
  write file \%a\13\10
  goto loop
  :DONE
  close read
  close write

MS-DOS Kermit's new string (and other) functions are listed in the
KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and they are
compatible with the ones in C-Kermit 5A, which are documented in the
script programming chapter of "Using C-Kermit".

- Frank

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Subject: looking for a simple kermit script
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Hi,

I'm looking for a simple kermit script doing an automatic binary file transfer
from one node to a other node(both unix, once a day).I would like to add the
UNIX script in my crontab,for calling a kermit script (dialing, logging in,
getting the remote file, logoff and hangup).

Any pointers are welcome.

P.S.: I'm getting the Kermit "bible" in a few weeks, but I need a solution now.

----------
Georg Ring
[e-mail]

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From: Bradley Pick <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file
Date: 22 Feb 1995 22:27:36 GMT
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Bradley Pick <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file.
> When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX".
>
> I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX"
>
> Any help is appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
> [e-mail]

Since my first message was very vague I will try again.

I'm using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 to write a script that will log onto
one system,capture a file back to my pc and then have it sent to
another account for processing.

The problem that I have is that after I capture the file back to my
pc I have to strip away the bottom lines of the file before I send
it out again.

There are approx. 4 lines at the end of every capture that I need
removed before uploading.

The first line starts with
    ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED.
This line and the remaining lines need to be removed.

My first plan was to read and write the contents of my captured file
to a second file, but stop writing(copying) to the second file when
I encountered the line "ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED".

Is there a way of comparing a defined macro to this string ?
Am I on the right track or is there a better solution?

Thanks
Brad

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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT
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In article <3ii5ng$[e-mail]>,
Cyber Flunk <[e-mail]> wrote:

[...]
>phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
>downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
[...]
>    I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is
>using C-Kermit 5A(190).  The connection at school is made with a 14.4
>modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which
>goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located.  (Yes, I
>am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.)
>

In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need
to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads
to work.

--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (FIGHT THE POWER)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
Date: 24 Feb 1995 04:25:03 -0800
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In article <3ig0n5$[e-mail]>,
John Chandler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system.
>If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET
>command that does all you need to connect.  There is no way to avoid the
>requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to
>the Unix host, so what are you looking for?  Surely, you don't want to
>have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for
>logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)??  I suppose, if
>you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC
>running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the
>PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something
>else...
>                    John Chandler

    Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes
again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help
someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand
IBM experience. Having made that warning...

    Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can
log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of
competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a
remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a
TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account
to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET
feed.
    I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote
system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system.
For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match
my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry).
    Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a
line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when
trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual
characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if
my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting
characters to be sent as soon as I press each key?
    Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would
allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that?

    Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not
worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning
to store my password on any machine, local or remote.
    So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate
this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion
insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with
this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can
get it for the UNIX system?
    Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I
managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To
anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies
also. I appreciate your time.)
--
The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them,
but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity.
- Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP
key/info}  [e-mail]  http://www.teleport.com/~sysone

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From: [e-mail] (Cyber Flunk)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
Date: 23 Feb 1995 14:22:40 GMT
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Hello Folks,

    In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the
recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying
phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
the school's remote unix host, everything works swell.  When I try to
upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet.
I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue
as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except
those concerning control character prefixing.

    I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is
using C-Kermit 5A(190).  The connection at school is made with a 14.4
modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which
goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located.  (Yes, I
am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.)

    Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated!
    Thanks!

    Tito


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From: [e-mail] (Scott Murdock)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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In article <3ie4th$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Joseph Huber) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
> >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
> >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>
> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?
>
> --


I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a
multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing,
guess who
it turns out the author is?  Chuck Forsberg.  He did the discrediting himself.
Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited!

From [e-mail] Fri Feb 24 20:41:31 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
Date: 24 Feb 1995 20:41:31 GMT
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In article <3ikj6v$[e-mail]>,
FIGHT THE POWER <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote
>system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system.
>For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match
>my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry).

That should be only a minor detail in an overall dismal picture.
Your terminal is, in effect, an EBCDIC terminal, and the Unix
system simply can't manipulate it effectively in ASCII.

>    Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a
>line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when
>trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual
>characters:

That shouldn't be a problem.  Your IBM's TELNET program should
define an "escape" character, perhaps a back-quote, that tells
it to suppress the carriage return on transmission when that
character is the last printable character before ENTER.  You
should look at the documentation.

>    Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would
>allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that?

Beats me.

>Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with
>this?

No.
            John Chandler

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From: [e-mail]
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
Date: 21 FEB 95 19:48:47 GMT
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I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
change it back to 80 column.

I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
point.

I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS
prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but
not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or
KERMIT.PIF.

I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
enhanced mode.

Dennis
[e-mail]




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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:20 GMT
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In article <3ie4th$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Huber) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>
>Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?

Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it.
If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla.

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Glenn R. Stone)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:

#In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
#>In article <3i83hi$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes:
#>> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way
#>> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is
#>> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem
#>> on openVMS and how?  Thanks Arrigo
#>------------
#>    Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory
#>kermit on kermit.columbia.edu.
#>    Joe D.


#ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site,
#TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb.  Be sure to use binary
#mode for the transfer!

#The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
#Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".  To be fair, please
#download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion.

#--
#Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
#   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
#Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
#TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

Sounds like a blatant attempt at commerciality....

get this drek offa my usenet.  I'll pay the $35 for the book if I can get
free support like Frank and Joe have been providing of late... oh, and
does Pro-YAM support X.25, networks, anything like that?  (rhetorical
question, don't answer)

Stay on your panzy bbs'en where you belong, Forsberg.

warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy...


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From: [e-mail] (Kaukasoina Petri)
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Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation
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Timo Salmi <[e-mail]> wrote:

>:>set terminal bytesize 8-bit
>:>set terminal character-set latin1
>
>Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS
>PC over a modem connection to a Unix host?

Yes, all the time. Everything works just fine, including the 8 bit
characters.

> Likewise, have you
>actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that
>connection?

I just tried it. I found uemacs still installed at finsun.csc.fi and it
worked ok. Maybe there is something wrong in your uemacs or your unix
terminal parameters?

-Petri

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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
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Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about
>anyway?  Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks
          ^^^^^
>there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews
>readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access.

I didn't make the comment about the multimedia document.

--
Joe Huber
[e-mail]
817-557-3186

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Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.

... can't comment on this.
>
> I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
> that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
> MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
> point.

Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or
"startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have
KERMIT installed.  I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to
startup up in Windows correctly.

There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this
on bootup.  ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT

Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend.

<snip>

>
> I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
> enhanced mode.

I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly
workable.

Hope this helps!

Charles   [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file
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In article <3idoq0$[e-mail]>, Bradley Pick <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file.
> When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX".
>
> I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX"
>
> Any help is appreciated
>
> Thanks
> Brad
>
> [e-mail]
----------
Brad,
    I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could
you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key
before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world
(your News message is largely chopped off on the right side).
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.

    Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host
text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of
Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o
and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode.
SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing.
    If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful
inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK
release docs for hints on this matter.

> I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but
> that only covers up to Windows 3.0.  Kermit runs properly if I click on the
> MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that
> point.
>
> I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS
> prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but
> not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or
> KERMIT.PIF.
    Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will
help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver,
despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term.
Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping
for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before
attempting to run Kermit in Windows.

> I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM.  Program Manager says I'm running in 386
> enhanced mode.
    4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest
I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks.
    Joe D.

> Dennis
> [e-mail]
>
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 01:22:01 GMT
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In article <3im0uq$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joseph Huber) writes:
>[e-mail] (Scott Murdock) writes:
>>(Joseph Huber) wrote:
>>>[e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>>>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>>> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?
>>I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB]
>>last night (a sad attempt at a
>>multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess
>>who it turns out the author is?  Chuck Forsberg.  He did the discrediting
>>himself.  Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was
>>discredited!
>
>In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully
>incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life
>Benchmarks" is beyond me.

What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about
anyway?  Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks
there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews
readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access.  At least I haven't
received any complaints from people who can't print out the text portion.

Yes, Joe, the knewstru.zip article at ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem could be
considered incomplete.  Joe, if you compare it with the earlier version
you will note that a number of topics have been left out for the sake of
brevity.

The bottom line for credibility remains: Kermit developer Frank da Cruz
did his benchmarks in secret.  I invited Frank da Cruz and all the Kermit
partisans to attend the Protocol Shootout so they could assure themselves
the tests were fair.  The careful reader of knewstru.zip will note that
the Shootout was covered by two independent computer periodicals.

When it comes to credibility, the question is: Why has Columbia University
not offered to repeat the their tests under the public scrutiny that was
present at Omen's Protocol Shootout?  What is there to hide?

--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX [e-mail]      503-621-3406 FAX:-3735
   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit command-line puzzle
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse) writes:
> I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the
> customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start
> kermit this way:
>
>     kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay
>
> value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start
> kermit this way:
>
>     kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay
>
> some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'.
>
> I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set
> some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions?
------------
    The MS-DOS Kermit command line is interpreted internally as
a macro. That means commas separate the commands within that macro;
i.e., commas stand for the Enter key we would have pressed if saying
the same commands at the Kermit prompt.
    Semicolons are either data if not preceeded by whitespace or
the start of a line, or are comment introducers if preceeded ... And
comments work only in Take files, not in Macros where they are always
data. [Quiz on Friday so I hope you all took notes.]
        Now if you think all this is getting a triffle obscure may I
warmly recommend a few days with either Perl or Sendmail, and then
a week's vacation to recover.
    Joe D.
    You want commas up there.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write"
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In article <3iqhhe$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>    The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent
>>bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and
>>many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus
>>the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without
>>the user having to give yet another command to control the modem.
>>    In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem
>>responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes.
>
> Let me then rephrase my question.  I'm interested in using ms-kermit to
> send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay
> except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control.  Any suggestions?
------------
    Only two that I can think of, given the state of information in
the thread so far.
    1. Give up the patch file and change the source code yourself.
    2. Use some other async comms driver.
    We designed MS-DOS Kermit to be a coherent communications program
rather than a set of drop-in comms drivers. This means we fit the program
to the perceived major uses of it, realizing that not everyone can be
satisfied.
    Joe D.

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From: Clarence Dold <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
Date: 26 Feb 1995 02:48:00 GMT
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Michael J. Mettler ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
: work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
: downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
: be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as

Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of
protocol.  That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem.

Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit.  This must be what your
friend is seeing.

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From: [e-mail] (Cyber Flunk)
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Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
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Hello Folks,

    In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the
recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying
phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
the school's remote unix host, everything works swell.  When I try to
upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet.
I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue
as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except
those concerning control character prefixing.

    I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is
using C-Kermit 5A(190).  The connection at school is made with a 14.4
modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which
goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located.  (Yes, I
am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.)

    Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated!
    Thanks!

    Tito


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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
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Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1
Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:50:51 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1.
> Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to
> change it back to 80 column.


Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini
file located in your Windows directory.
--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
Date: 28 Feb 1995 15:48:27 GMT
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In article <3ii5ng$[e-mail]>,
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the
>recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying
>phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
>downloads do not work for uploads.
>
It may be annoying, but it's not strange.  Nowhere is it written that
data connections are symmetrical.  It is probably the rule, rather than
the exception, that data flows easily in one direction (usually towards
the terminal) but not in the other (towards the host).  Not only for
reasons of transparency -- i.e. which control and/or 8-bit characters
can pass through unscathed -- but also buffering, flow control, and so
on.  The minimum set of prefixed control characters in one direction is
almost never the same as in the other.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Armand Zakarian)
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Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT
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In article <3ii5ng$[e-mail]>,
Cyber Flunk <[e-mail]> wrote:

[...]
>phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
>downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
[...]
>    I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is
>using C-Kermit 5A(190).  The connection at school is made with a 14.4
>modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which
>goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located.  (Yes, I
>am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.)
>

In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need
to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads
to work.

--
Armand Zakarian

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Hardware for ms-kermit?
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In article <3irk39$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi) writes:
> What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test"
> when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of
> Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine).
-----------
    Supplementing my previous reply...
    One thing to watch is the sub notebook sized computers. Our
experience has been that some vendors remove vital motherboard hardware
found in all full PCs (the timer chip in particular) and Kermit cannot run.
Such machines are not fully "IBM PC" compatible.
    Finally, please don't use an internal modem. Use an external modem
and avoid much grief from interface design mistakes.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Kees Hendrikse)
Subject: Kermit command-line puzzle
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I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the
customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start
kermit this way:

    kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay

value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start
kermit this way:

    kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay

some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'.

I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set
some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions?

--
Kees Hendrikse                                | email:   [e-mail]
                                              |
ECHELON consultancy and software development  | phone: [phone]
PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands  | fax:   [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Help Once Again!
>
> I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information
> Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0
> cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or
> \27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the
> same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and
> then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not
> understanding this properly. Can Anyone help?
------------
    There is an easy solution. First, to remove some confusion about
terminology the "Kermit Connect mode escape code" is an ASCII control
code which gets one out of Connect mode. It is not necessarily the ASCII
code for ESC (decimal 27); the default is Control-], decimal 29. Best to
leave SET ESCAPE alone.
    Numbers represented in backslash form can have more than two digits
after the slash, so \271 is decimal 271, not ESC 1. To separate \27 from
the following ASCII 1 use notation  \{27}1. The curly braces restrict
the span of the number-seeker routine which is analyzing the backslash
material. Alternatively, \27\31 does the same job in pure numeric form.
        Joe D.

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Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
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In article <3i8cg9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Becker) writes:
> In article <3i6g5n$[e-mail]> [e-mail]
>   (Joe R. Doupnik) writes:
>>--------------
>>    The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct
>>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is
>>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen
>>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status
>>line.
>
> I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with.  Two questions:
>
>  a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line?

No.  But VT320's and above do have a 25th status line.  On VT420's and
above, the 25th line can be used as either a status line (logically a
separate display window) or as part of the main display window.   The
VT420 can also be configured with more lines, for example, a 36-line mode,
but the more dense displays get rather unreadable because the monitor
itself is still the same size as the other low-end VT monitors.

>  b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the
>     cursor is directed there?  Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line?

On the VT420's and above, if you have selected the 25th line to be part
of the main display, then it will scroll with the other 24 lines on the
display.  If you have selected the 25th line to be a status line, then
it will not scroll with the other 24 lines on the display.

The normal behavior for the DEC VT-class terminals if a cursor sequence tries
to place the cursor on any line beyond the end of the main display window
(that is, on the 25th line or below in most cases) is to place the cursor
at the same column position on the last line of the window (the 24th line
in most cases).  As I understand Kermit's behavior, it isn't strictly
compatible with the DEC hardware;  but there are other terminals out there
that do behave similarly to Kermit.

I wouldn't be surprised if the problem is that some of the software is
doing a terminal type query and setting itself up according to what it
receives from that - there's a fair amount of software in the DEC world
that does that (even though you're theoretically supposed to take the
OS's word for the terminal type).

Good luck,

Bruce C. Wright

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Murdock)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:11:46 -0600
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In article <3ie4th$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Joseph Huber) wrote:

> In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
> >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
> >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>
> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?
>
> --


I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a
multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing,
guess who
it turns out the author is?  Chuck Forsberg.  He did the discrediting himself.
Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited!

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Made a script to start SLIP
Date: 27 Feb 1995 07:27:18 -0800
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Hi Folks,

I made a Kermit script that automates dialing into a SLIP server,
taking the IP number it assigns to you, starting SLIP, doing the
routing commands. It even takes care of disconnecting through
killing the slattach process and exiting Kermit.

It is for Linux, but it should work on other Unixes with only slight
changes (esp. in the slattach and route command syntax). I also made
a version for DOS, which I will upload if there is an interest for it.

When using the script, make sure you change the site-specific settings,
such as DIAL BPA (must match an entry in your dial directory).

It asks for your password twice (to guard against typing mistakes) and
remembers it for 'retry', this is a macro that restarts the script,
needed if you hit a busy signal.

Please let me know if you find any flaws, or have other comments.

--Roland Kwee          <[e-mail]>
-------------------------------------


#!/usr/bin/kermit
# slip.bpa   Roland Kwee   Jan. 12, 1995
# Kermit or shell script or to log in and make a SLIP connection.
# Usage: kermit -y slip.bpa, or simply: ./slip.bpa
#      or, if the .kermrc inits bother you: ./slip.bpa -Y
# Tested: Linux, C-Kermit 5A(190)-1994
#         Shiva LanRover/8E, version 3.0.1

####################################################################
# COPYRIGHT (C) 1995 BY ROLAND KWEE ([e-mail]).
# USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS RESTRICTED TO THOSE WHO ARE
# LEGALLY AUTHORIZED TO RUN KERMIT:)
# USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR OWN RISK!
####################################################################

# for debugging:
set input echo on # show modem chat
log session log # store i/o data to file
#log debug log    # store i/o data and Kermit internal data to file
#set take echo on # show lines of this script
#set take error on # terminate script on syntax or execution errors
#set macro echo on
#set macro error on

assign retry take \v(cmdfile) # Note: GOTO won't work here.

if = \Flength(\%p) 0 goto ask
if equal \%p \%x goto dial
:ask

assign %d /dev/ttyS2 # device, line
assign %s 38400      # bitrate modem<-RS232->computer
assign %h bpa8       # host name as in the dialing directory
assign %u Roland     # Username
#      %p password
#      %x scratch
#      %r remote IP
#      %l local IP

# Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed.
set line \%d # Don't ask password if the line isn't free.
if failure stop 1 Serial port is not available.
echo About to make a SLIP connection to: \%h
echo User: \%u
askq \%p Password:
askq \%x Re-type the password:
if not equal \%p \%x stop 1 You misspelled it. Start over.

:dial

# Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed.
#echo About to make a SLIP connection to system: \%h
#echo User: \%u
#askq \%p Password:
#askq \%x Re-type the password:
#if not equal \%p \%x end 1 You misspelled it. Start over.

# Initialize my Kermit and modem:
#take /usr/kermit/kermrc
set modem hayes
set carrier auto
#run /usr/kermit/localtty \%d
# slattach/dip may have left the serial port in raw mode, clean up:
run stty sane <\%d
set line  \%d
set speed \%s
set dial dial-command atdt%s\13 # Assumes TOUCH-TONE phone line.
set dial directory /usr/kermit/dial.dir # Kermit's phone book.
set dial display on # ON or OFF at your convenience.
#set dial prefix 9 # For dialing from the BPA phone system.
set dial init-string AT&FL0M0&H3S7=90S40=124\13
set flow-control rts/cts
set dial mnp-enable on
set dial timeout 90
set input case ignore
set input silence 0 # Just observe the timeouts specified in the script.
echo Kermit setup done.

# Dial.
dial \%h
if failure end 1 Could not connect with the remote modem. Try 'retry' later

# Clear the input buffer. It is a 256-byte circular buffer.
echo Dialing done.
clear

# Get a prompt. Sometimes you need to press Enter more than once.
wait 5 # Wait a little before starting with asking for a shell prompt.
echo \13Waiting done.\13
output \13
input 1 Userid:
xif failure {echo \13retry1\13, output \13, input 1 Userid}
xif failure {echo \13retry2\13, output \13, input 1 Userid}
xif failure {echo \13retry3\13, output \13, input 1 Userid}
if failure end 1 No username prompt at remote system.

# Username.
wait 2
echo \13Waiting done(username)\13
output \%u\13
input 5 Password?
if failure end 1 No password prompt at remote system.

# Password.
#wait 1
echo \13Waiting done(password)\13
output \%p\13
input 5 >
if failure end 1 No shell prompt at remote system. Login refused?

# Protocol.
wait 1
output slip\13

# Remote IP address.
input 5 {My address is }
if failure end 1 (My address is)
clear input-buffer
input 5 \,
if failure end 1 (My address is...)
assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr
assign \%r \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x)

# Local IP address.
input 5 {Your address is }
if failure end 1 (Your address is)
clear input-buffer
input 5 \,
if failure end 1 (Your address is...)
assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr
assign \%l \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x)

# Guard against programming errors in this script before launching slattach.
if < \Flength(\%l) 4 end 1 Invalid local IP
if < \Flength(\%r) 4 end 1 Invalid remote IP

# Change the line discipline to SLIP.
run /sbin/slattach -v -p slip -s \%s \%d &
wait 5 # There is no way to find out when slattach is done.
# Configure the SLIP interface.
run /sbin/ifconfig sl0 \%l pointopoint \%r netmask 255.255.0.0 mtu 1006
# Add to the routing table.
run /sbin/route add -net       53.1.0.0   sl0
run /sbin/route add default gw 53.1.1.2   sl0
#run /sbin/route add -net       53.160.0.0 sl0

# Test the new SLIP connection.
run ping -c 1 53.1.1.2 # test IP
#because of slattach, the INPUT won't work anymore
#input 30 {1 packets received}
#if not failure echo SLIP CONNECTION WORKS
run ping -c 1 brick.bpa.gov # test DNS

# Note that now slattach controls the port. Kermit is only needed so that
# the lock file isn't stale.
# The modem will hangup when both Kermit and Slattach are killed.
# The method below uses the SUSPEND command, so it only works with
# login shells that have job control. Most Bourne shells don't work.
echo +=========================+
echo | Use 'fg' to disconnect. |
echo +=========================+
set suspend on
suspend # Put Kermit in the background.

# Starting point after 'fg'.
run killslattach \%d
wait 2
run stty sane <\%d
exit # This puts Kermit away.

============================ End of Kermit script. ================

This is what the killslattach script should look like:
--------------cut here---------------cut here-----------------
#!/bin/sh
# killslattach, to kill the slattach background job
# Roland Kwee   Jan. 13, 1995
# This script takes one command-line argument: the device file.
set -x

# Function to parse the first word, containing the PID
f(){ PID=$1 }

PS=`ps|grep slattach.*$1|grep -v grep`
#echo process: $PS
f $PS
kill -INT $PID # This kills slattach and restores the line mode.

# Further normalize the serial line.
localtty /dev/ttyS2
stty sane </dev/ttyS2
--------------cut here---------------cut here-----------------

This is what the localtty program looks like:
--------------cut here---------------cut here-----------------
/* localtty.c   Roland Kwee   Feb. 12, 1995
   Build with: gcc -o localtty localtty.c
   Usage: localtty /dev/ttyS2
   This program sets the CLOCAL flag without which on some systems
   Kermit's SET LINE  would not work.
 */
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <fcntl.h>
#include <termios.h>
#include <unistd.h>

void syserr(char *s){
    fprintf(stderr, "system error: %s\n", s);
    exit(-1);
}

main(int argc, char *argv[]){
    int fd;
    struct termios tbuf;

    if(argc<2){
        fprintf(stderr, "localtty <dev>\n");
        exit(-1);
    }

    fd=open(argv[1], O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK);
    if(fd== -1){
        fprintf(stderr, "Could not open device: %s\n", argv[1]);
        exit(-1);
    }

    if(tcgetattr(fd, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcgetattr()");
    tbuf.c_cflag |= CLOCAL;
    if(tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcsetattr()");

    exit(0);
}
--------------cut here---------------cut here-----------------

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
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[e-mail] wrote:
:  How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so.

My guess is that you have not removed prefixing from any control
characters.  This is being discussed in some other threads, and it is in
the distribution files.  I get 1060 cps with the default (all codes
prefixed) and close to 1500 with a small set of prefixes.




--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew J. Korty)
Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads???
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In article <3ii5ng$[e-mail]>,
Cyber Flunk <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>    In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the
>recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying
>phenomenon.  The set of control prefix characters which work fine for
>downloads do not work for uploads.  That is, if I download files from
>the school's remote unix host, everything works swell.  When I try to
>upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet.
>I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue
>as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except
>those concerning control character prefixing.
>
>    Tito

Yes, I've had exactly that happen with me, too.  Although the Purdue
University Computing Center refuses to agree with me, I find that the
necessary control prefixing for my configuration is to prefix none of
the characters when downloading, but to prefix character 255 when
uploading.  I don't know what this character means, so I have dubbed
it the "send-three-packets-and-die character," because that is the
command it seems to send to the terminal server.

Unfortunately, the way I solved this problem was by trial and error.
I just prefixed all the characters, and then unprefixed them one by
one until I got an error.  So, this rather tedious solution is the one
I suggest.  Good luck!

Andy

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From: Greg Mouning <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 02:38:18 -0500
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Hello,

I just downloaded a copy of Kermit for Windows and it works
very well.  Terminal emulation and file transfers were successful.
Finally, a true (native) Windows version of Kermit.

According to the manual Wayne Warthen says:

The following limitations exist in the current version of Kermit for
Windows:

    *    There is no scripting facility yet.
    *    There is no ability to direct terminal output to a
        printer yet.
    *    File handling options are currently very limited. All
        received files overlay existing files and files are always
        downloaded to the current directory.
    *    No session logging capabilities exist yet.

Even without these features I find this to be a very good package.

Thanks Mr. Warthen, I look forward to your improvements.

Greg Mouning
[e-mail]

 On 20 Feb 1995, Leslie Mikesell wrote:

> In article <3i2ru6$[e-mail]>,
> Leila Burrell-Davis <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Mary P. McKnight ([e-mail]) wrote:
> >% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru
> >% Windows 3.1.  I can get it to work outside of Windows without any
> >% problems.  However, from within Windows I get the following error
> >% message:
> >
> >You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great
> >manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux
> >last time I looked.)
>
> There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version
> of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from:
> kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip  (16 bit) and
> kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip  (32 bit NT).
>
> It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions
> appear to be there.  I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues
> that affect this version later.  At the moment the only restriction
> on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original
> files together.
>
> Les Mikesell
>   [e-mail]
>
>

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From: [e-mail] (FIGHT THE POWER)
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Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
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In article <3ig0n5$[e-mail]>,
John Chandler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system.
>If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET
>command that does all you need to connect.  There is no way to avoid the
>requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to
>the Unix host, so what are you looking for?  Surely, you don't want to
>have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for
>logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)??  I suppose, if
>you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC
>running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the
>PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something
>else...
>                    John Chandler

    Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes
again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help
someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand
IBM experience. Having made that warning...

    Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can
log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of
competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a
remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a
TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account
to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET
feed.
    I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote
system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system.
For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match
my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry).
    Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a
line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when
trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual
characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if
my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting
characters to be sent as soon as I press each key?
    Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would
allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that?

    Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not
worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning
to store my password on any machine, local or remote.
    So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate
this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion
insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with
this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can
get it for the UNIX system?
    Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I
managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To
anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies
also. I appreciate your time.)
--
The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them,
but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity.
- Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP
key/info}  [e-mail]  http://www.teleport.com/~sysone

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
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Subject: Re: binary file conversion
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In article <3i9mq4$[e-mail]>,
Ethan J. Rasiel <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind:
>
>1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site?
>
Yes, if one uses an ftpmail server to gain access to ftp sites
via E-mail.
>
>2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text
>file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site,
>it was really only 10 megs.  uuencoded files increase in size
>similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7.
>
Sounds to me like the person uploading the file(s) forgot to set
his/her ftp program to image or binary mode before uploading the
file(s).  This would most definitely result in larger uploaded files
than the originals.  You'd have to look thru the RFC's to find the conventions
for ftp ASCII transfers in order to reverse them.  Even then, I'm afraid,
it would be a lost cause as, as Professor Dupnik says, the high-bit of
characters would be chopped off.

I'd notify the keepers of the various ftp sites of the broken files
so said files can be zapped!

Good luck!
--
Mike Freeman            |       Internet: [e-mail]
GEnie: M.FREEMAN11      |       Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ
... Take my advice; I certainly don't use it!

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off.
Date: 24 Feb 1995 13:21:11 -0800
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>In article <3i8cg9$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mark Becker) writes:
>>  a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line?
In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>    Yes, it's status line.

Question: Which terminal from DEC first had the 25th line?

The VT100 did not have it; it was limited to 24 lines only.
Same for the VT102, VT105, VT106, VT125, VT180.

I'm not sure if the VT220 had it, but I'm fairly sure that the VT3xx
and VT4xx terminals do.

  (Technical nit pick: Actually, the VT100 could display more than
  just 24 lines; it could display 23 and 2 halves.  During smooth
  scrolling, the bottom half of the previous line 1 would be visible,
  lines 2-24 fully visible, and the top half of the new line 25 just
  starting to come into view.  But since this was a transient condition,
  it doesn't count as a full 25 lines on screen at the same time.)

    -Joe

--
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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
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Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT
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[e-mail] (Scott Murdock) writes:
>(Joseph Huber) wrote:
>>[e-mail] (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited
>>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks".
>> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited?
>I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB]
>last night (a sad attempt at a
>multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess
>who it turns out the author is?  Chuck Forsberg.  He did the discrediting
>himself.  Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was
>discredited!

In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully
incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life
Benchmarks" is beyond me.

--
Joe Huber
[e-mail]
817-557-3186

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From: [e-mail] (Ron Burkett)
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I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying to
find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock
applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State.  I really don't know
anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information
even if its quite broad will help.  Oh....and i'm refering to talk
programs...not irc.

-thanks

-Ron Burkett
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From: [e-mail] (Michael J. Mettler)
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Subject: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
Date: 25 Feb 1995 03:01:48 GMT
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I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics'), but a friend of
mine claims to be getting twice that (with same CPU, connecting
to the same Unix machine, the same software, and the same modem
speed (though a different brand)).  I've looked at his kermit
initialization files and they seem the same as mine.  Any
ideas?

Thanks.

Michael J. Mettler

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When I need to receive zmodem during an MS-Kermit session, I escape to
control mode and call macro "sz" which contains "run zmodem ..."
according to the instructions that came with the zmodem program.  I
saw a suggestion to define a key to call the macro if you use it often.

--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
Date: 3 Mar 1995 20:54:45 GMT
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In article <3im6is$[e-mail]>,
Michael J. Mettler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
>work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
>downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
>be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics')
>
If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files),
that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection,
no matter what protocol you use.  You evidently have already
tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be
directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject.

>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with
>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same
>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)).
>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem
>the same as mine.  Any ideas?
>
Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not
precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's
built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer
rate.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: what talk program to use with kemit
Date: 3 Mar 1995 21:00:26 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Ron Burkett <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying
>to find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock
>applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State.  I really don't know
>anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information
>even if its quite broad will help.
>
Kermit gives you a terminal emulator to a host or service.  The talk
application is on the host or service that you are connecting to with Kermit.
Fancy ones divide the screen into two (or more) windows, one for each party.
To do this, they send screen-control escape sequences to the terminal --
in this case to Kermit.  So the only things you need to know are (a) what
talk applications are available on your host or service (which you would
find out from your local support people at IUP), and (b) how to make sure
your host or service is using a terminal type, such as VT100 or VT320,
that is supported by Kermit.

Kermit's VT emulation is excellent, so talk clients that exercise advanced
VT terminal features will work better with Kermit than with most other
emulators.

Talk clients generally have names like "talk", "chat", or "phone".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
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In article <3iqqgd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> In article <3ioq50$[e-mail]>, Clarence Dold <[e-mail]> writes:
>>Michael J. Mettler ([e-mail]) wrote:
>>: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
>>: work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
>>: downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
>>: be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
>>
>>Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of
>>protocol.  That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem.
>>
>>Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit.  This must be what your
>>friend is seeing.
>>
>  How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so.
> What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and
> Kermit reports 20% efficiency.
> [e-mail]
-----------------
    Two possibilities come to mind, assuming that you have reviewed
the advice given in the distribution material (if not get the MSK 3.14
set binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from kermit.columbia.edu).
    First, you may not be using sliding windows. SET WINDOW 4 is a nice
value, on both ends of the conversation.
    Second, the other end has to play along, and you don't indicate
what it might be. If it is say ancient Kermit-32 then run, don't walk,
to your system administrator and get C Kermit 5A(190) installed on that
VAX. [Grab from above, directory kermit/c-kermit, stuff is ready to go
for many systems.] If the other end is a BBS of some kind then the quality
of the Kermit program there is often (too often) pretty terrible, and we
do offer "the real thing" as MSK-LITE for BBS use.
    As a reminder about modem numbers, that 38,400 bps value is the
maximum rate at which data flows between the modem and the computer,
irrespective of the data rate on the telco wires. If the modems connect
at say 2400 bps then that's the bottleneck. Also, Kermit doesn't know
what the telco speed happens to be, so the efficiency value is computed at
the modem<->computer data rate; inflate by the ratio of local/telco bps.
For example, a 9600 bps connection and a 38,400 bps "DTE" speed would yield
an apparent efficiency of 25% (38400 / 9600 = 4) under ideal conditions.
    I can't say more without knowing what's on the other end of the wire.

    May I also remind readers to grab the list's FAQ which is file
FAQ.TXT (upper case) in directory kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. Many
questions are pre-answered in it.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: VT emulation  problems
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In article <3iqsam$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out
> to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set  terminal as KERMIT. I have
> comm software which  uses MSKERM314.
>
>
> Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all:
> I only see codes on the screen.
> Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct
> this problem.
>
> I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things:
> Term video writing: direct
> display: regular, 7-bits
> term controls: 7-bits
> term code-page: CP437
--------------
    You have the "medium" edition which is shrunk in size by omitting
those features above. Please do read the docs accompanying the distribution.
Grab the quick-start distribution binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from
kermit.columbia.edu. For all features use the full edition.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Morris)
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Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...?
Date: 25 Feb 1995 15:55:28 GMT
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[e-mail] (FIGHT THE POWER) writes:

>    Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can
>log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of
>competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a
>remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a
>TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account
>to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET
>feed.
>    I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote
>system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system.
>For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match
>my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry).
>    Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a
>line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when
>trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual
>characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if
>my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting
>characters to be sent as soon as I press each key?
>    Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would
>allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that?

The problem is that (if you're using the IBM TCP/IP program) it
doesn't cleanly handle a typical UNIX remote host connection if
the distant machine is doing anything other than generic TTY
emulation.  In particular, there is no mechanism for the remote
system to send screen orders (cursor addressing, highlight, clear
screen, etc.) and there is no mechanism to tell the distant host
when you use a local editing key such as cursor up/down/left/right
or edit/delete.  The remote system is reading the terminal type that
your local TELNET command sent is during option negotiation when
you established the connection, but finds nothing in its TERMCAP
(or TERMINFO) data base to tell it what to do.  The buffering mode
used by 327x terminals also conflicts with the full-duplex character
mode expected by UNIX (and other) systems.

If your IBM host is running VM, there is a rework of the TELNET
interface that was done by a user and provides at least the
ability to respond to VT100 screen orders that are sent by
the distant UNIX host.  I'm no longer in the IBM mainframe world
and can't remember the name of the person who did it, but if you
check with the IBM sysprog at your shop ask him to look around
on VMSHARE for references.  The work may have been done at CUNY.
If he doesn't have access to VMSHARE ask him to check with other
contacts in SHARE; if the shop doesn't belong to SHARE, or if
the IBM system is running MVS/TSO, I can't help you.

Joe Morris / MITRE

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From: [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax)
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Subject: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write"
Date: 25 Feb 1995 23:49:29 -0500
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I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters
out a com port with the "Output" command.  But it seems to be a full
order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write"
commands.  Am I doing something wrong?  (I have tried "set output pacing"
without success.)

Thanks in advance

marshall


--
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From: [e-mail] (3/06)z)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:50:13 GMT
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[e-mail] wrote:

:-)    I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back
:-) to  kermit  command  mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters
:-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can  I
:-) get the scan code of my keyboard?


    By the way, I have another question related to the escape
character.

    I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But,
every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen.
How can I supress it ?

    I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit
will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that.  I want to set Ctrl-F10
as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.)
Any idea ?


Regards,
Chan Wai Ming.
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write"
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In article <3ip18p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax) writes:
> I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters
> out a com port with the "Output" command.  But it seems to be a full
> order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write"
> commands.  Am I doing something wrong?  (I have tried "set output pacing"
> without success.)
----------
    The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent
bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and
many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus
the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without
the user having to give yet another command to control the modem.
    In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem
responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]?
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In article <3iq0ul$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (3/06)z) writes:
> [e-mail] wrote:
>
> :-)    I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back
> :-) to  kermit  command  mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters
> :-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can  I
> :-) get the scan code of my keyboard?
>
>
>     By the way, I have another question related to the escape
> character.
>
>     I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But,
> every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen.
> How can I supress it ?
>
>     I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit
> will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that.  I want to set Ctrl-F10
> as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.)
> Any idea ?
----------------
    The "escape" key from Connect mode is a regular ASCII control code.
Special IBM-PC keyboard items such as Control F10 are not accepted, nor is
even F10. However, keyboard verb \Kexit does the same job and can be
assigned to whichever key combination you wish; by default this is assigned
to ALT-x. Pressing the "escape" key brings down a short menu offering to take
action depending on the next key pressed.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write"
Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:33:18 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent
>bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and
>many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus
>the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without
>the user having to give yet another command to control the modem.
>    In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem
>responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes.

Let me then rephrase my question.  I'm interested in using ms-kermit to
send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay
except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control.  Any suggestions?

Thanks!

marshall
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In article <3ioq50$[e-mail]>, Clarence Dold <[e-mail]> writes:
>Michael J. Mettler ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
>: work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
>: downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
>: be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
>
>Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of
>protocol.  That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem.
>
>Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit.  This must be what your
>friend is seeing.
>
 How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so.
What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and
Kermit reports 20% efficiency.
[e-mail]






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The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out
to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set  terminal as KERMIT. I have
comm software which  uses MSKERM314.


Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all:
I only see codes on the screen.
Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct
this problem.

I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things:
Term video writing: direct
display: regular, 7-bits
term controls: 7-bits
term code-page: CP437

Thanks for for any help.


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hi,

    i am using ms-kermit 3.14.  is there a command for use in a script which
    will wait for something, other than a certain amount of time?

    i am trying to connect from my pc to and annex terminal server through an
    adi box.  my problem is that sometimes it takes several seconds for the
    annex to respond.  right now i have a script that waits for several
    seconds, but if the annex does not respond, it connects anyway.  i am only
    modifing the original script, and did not write it.

    thanks in advance.

                                                Ryan Hope

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From: [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi)
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Date: 27 Feb 1995 04:23:05 -0000
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What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test"
when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of
Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine).

Will a 286 do it?

//Markus


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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Hulbert)
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Hello Kermit People,

I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit.  I want to automate a connection from
my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps:

1)  Set serial line and speed
2)  connect

at this point I am connected to a spider

3)  open hayes
4)  atdtnnnnnnnn   (nnnnnnnn being the phone number)
5)  login when connected (optional)



It is the spider port which is the problem.  Kermit 'script' text appears to
assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts).

One thought I had was to connect via 'cu' first, then switch to using kermit.
I've tried this as follows:

1) cu to the remote machine and do a kermit -r
2) do a ~!sh to get back to my machine
3) remove the /usr/spool/uucp/LCK files
4) kermit setting line and speed
5) send a file

Unfortunately, I just get %T%T%T% rather than the file transfer. If I do
a connect though, that works.

Any ideas?


Steve.

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In article <3irk39$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi) writes:
> What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test"
> when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of
> Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine).
>
> Will a 286 do it?
-------------
    An 8088 XT (without hard disk too) will do for MS-DOS Kermit.
It's not Kermit that constrains your choices but rather the other things
you will do with the machine. Given the low cost of motherboards it is
difficult to recommend anything less than a 486.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
says:

>In article <3j2cmb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
>writes:
>>
>> Hi, Kermiteers!
>>
>> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX
>> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode,
>> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon
>> completion of the transfer.  However, if one does a GET, the bell does
>> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer.  Is there a way (short of
>> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the
>> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs
>> and GETs or RECEIVEs?
>-----------
>        That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such
>commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated.
>        A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive,
>which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real
>disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is
>used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*.
>        Joe D.
Joe,  Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not
      compatible?

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit and spider ports
Date: 6 Mar 1995 00:00:55 GMT
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In article <3j4iaf$[e-mail]>,
Stephen Hulbert <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit.
>
You mean Columbia University's C-Kermit 4E(072) from 1989, which HP
was distributing with HP-UX through version 9.xx.  The current version of
C-Kermit is 5A(190).

>I want to automate a connection from
>my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps:
>...
>It is the spider port which is the problem.  Kermit 'script' text appears to
>assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts).
>
The current version of C-Kermit has a full-blown script programming language
that will let you do anything you want, including multi-stage connection
processes like the one you describe.

Please upgrade to the current version of C-Kermit, consult the documentation
about how to write script programs, and then if you have any further problems,
contact technical support in the normal fashion.  To get C-Kermit 5A(190):

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then
give the appropriate "make" command, for example:

  make linux
  make solaris2x
  make hpux90

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out
and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location,
such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how
to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of
the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work.

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (J. Patrick Harrington)
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Subject: Kermit with PCMCIA modems?
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    I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300
with an various external modems and serial links to unix
boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a
Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of
the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it.
Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that
will work?  Someone suggested that I shoud try another
communications program, as these modems are supposed to
work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas.

                     Pat Harrington


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From: [e-mail] (Mark Garcia)
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Date: 2 Mar 1995 14:56:30 GMT
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Greetings :))

    Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit
for windows?  I 'd appreciate any and all help.

--
M    M    A    RRRRR    K     K
MM\   /MM      A A      R    R  K    K
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Address:
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    Binghamton University
E-Mail: [e-mail]

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My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus
output atdt7414444/13

but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the
modem's sound, by having it type "atm."  But I can't seem to get it to do
both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13.  Any suggestions
would be appreciated.

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Gideon Weisz)
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a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13
is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14?
thanks, gideon

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From: [e-mail] (4th Dimension)
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Subject: Why can't I use 14.4K
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Hi,
I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags
    gmake sunos41gcc \
   "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR"

and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have

   set speed 14400

then kermit complains

   ?Unsupported line speed - 14400

If I type 'set speed ?' I get:

set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua0 in bits per
second, one of the following:
 110                1200               14400              150
 19200              200                2400               28800
 300                3600               38400              4800
 50                 57600              600                7200

When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message

 To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
 Can't change speed to 14400
 Call complete.

Mind you, it's just an annoyance, everything works fine.

Any idea? I my tty port setup screwed up?

Thanks,

/* Amir J. Katz         email:   [e-mail]               */
/* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL                   */
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14?
Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:17:59 GMT
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In article <3iuib4$[e-mail]>, Gideon Weisz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13
>is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14?
>thanks, gideon


Hebrew modes are built into the standard distributions of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
and OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(190) and above.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K
Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:22:34 GMT
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In article <3j4p34$[e-mail]>,
4th Dimension <[e-mail]> wrote:

>When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message
>
> To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
> Can't change speed to 14400
> Call complete.
>

While C-Kermit supports a line speed of 14400, it is not universally
supported by all hardware.  This is probably the case with your Sun.

On the other hand, since everything works fine without the line speed
switch it means that your modem is not changing the line speed to 14400,
so neither should C-Kermit.

Use:
    set dial speed-matching off

to disable the speed switch.




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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Adding second line to "output"
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In article <[e-mail]>, Michael Pollak <[e-mail]> writes:
>
> My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus
> output atdt7414444/13
>
> but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the
> modem's sound, by having it type "atm."  But I can't seem to get it to do
> both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13.  Any suggestions
> would be appreciated.
-----------------
    AT commands are terminated with a carriage return, the \13 you
see above. Notice that you've typed the slash the wrong way. You can
simply add another output command to send  atm\13.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit Bell
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In article <[e-mail]>, H. D. Knoble <[e-mail]> writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
> says:
>
>>In article <3j2cmb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Freeman)
>>writes:
>>>
>>> Hi, Kermiteers!
>>>
>>> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX
>>> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode,
>>> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon
>>> completion of the transfer.  However, if one does a GET, the bell does
>>> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer.  Is there a way (short of
>>> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the
>>> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs
>>> and GETs or RECEIVEs?
>>-----------
>>        That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such
>>commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated.
>>        A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive,
>>which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real
>>disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is
>>used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*.
>>        Joe D.
> Joe,  Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not
>       compatible?
--------
    I said what I said above. I haven't the slightest idea of what
"compatible" means in this circumstance. But it does not take an advanced
degree to understand the troubles which an ensue to comms programs if the
machine is taken out of action for extended milliseconds to chat with disk.
In a general sense, the fewer things loaded on the machine the fewer troubles
one is likely to have.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin J. Scott)
Subject: Linux C-kermit scroll fixed
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Thank you to those who E-Mailed me. I downloaded the C-Kermit
source and recompiled it since the premade binary was the one
giving me trouble. However, Kermit would not even compile with
ncurses 1.8.6, which was what I had. It turned out that 1.8.7
is out now and that did the trick.


BTW the problem was that the scrolling would lock up after a full
screen (thermometer) type file transfer was completed. I ran "reset"
to return it to normal. With the new ncurses this problem has vanished.


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From: Madhu Raj Koka <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem
Date: 2 Mar 1995 17:25:17 GMT
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Hi Guys,

I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me.

I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to
my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm.

Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is.
On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get
is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file.

On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) :
--------------------------------------------------------------
C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/tty, speed: -1, mode: remote, modem-dialer: direct
 Bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none
Terminal emulation: 7 bits

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout:               10        7
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      1
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            5
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:         90       90
 Length Limit:        2048     1024

File parameters:
 File Names:   converted      Debugging Log:    none
 File Type:    binary         Packet Log:       none
 File Warning: off            Session Log:      none
 File Display: on             Transaction Log:  none

File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete File Disposition: discard, Init file: .kermrc
--------------------------------------------------------------

On my PC I tried to "match" these parameters in kermit options. But
no use for binary transfer !

Any thoughts are appreciated.

madhu

PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so
at what settings. )

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Help Once Again!

I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information
Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0
cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or
\27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the
same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and
then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not
understanding this properly. Can Anyone help?

P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to do
that.

Thank-you for your patience!!!!


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems?
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:05:55 GMT
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In article <3jdiod$[e-mail]>,
J. Patrick Harrington <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300
>with an various external modems and serial links to unix
>boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a
>Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of
>the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it.
>Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that
>will work?  Someone suggested that I shoud try another
>communications program, as these modems are supposed to
>work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas.
>
There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software
will work with this (or any other) particular combination.
Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so
idiosyncratic that they work only with special software
that has been specifically adapted for them.  Some don't
work at all.

Having said that, it is still quite likely that you can
make this combination work by (a) following whatever
directions come with your modem to eliminate address and/or
interrupt conflicts (good luck), and (b) upgrading from
MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 to 3.14, and (c) reading section 6 of
the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14.

Let's face it -- the PC was never designed to handle all
the responsibilities that have been foisted upon it over
the last 10 years.  The average PC of today is overladen
with memory, CD-ROM drives, Sound Blasters, network boards,
serial ports, mice, internal data/fax boards, and who knows
what else -- more devices than there are interrupts to
handle them and drivers all sharing the same memory and
pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and
so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is
going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or
mismatches, or worse.  It's a miracle that PCs work at all.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14?
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:13:06 GMT
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In article <3iuib4$[e-mail]>, Gideon Weisz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13
>is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14?
>
Yes, an even greater one.  Just look in the HEBREW directory of MS-DOS
3.14 Kermit diskette (or ZIP file).  Some of the improvements in v3.14
include: a public domain Hebrew font is packaged on the diskette, automatic
switching of keyboard modes (English / Hebrew) is supported with a complete
Hebrew key map provided, etc, and there is now thorough documentation in
the HEBREW.DOC file.  Here is the READ.ME file from the HEBREW directory:

USING MS-DOS KERMIT WITH THE HEBREW ALPHABET

This directory contains the supplementary Hebrew files for MS-DOS Kermit:

   READ.ME      - This file
   HEBREW.DOC   - Documentation of Kermit's Hebrew features
   HEBREW.INI   - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit
   HEBREW.HLP   - Short explanation of HEBREW.INI
   CP862.TBL    - IBM PC Hebrew code page table
   ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table
   HEBREW7.TBL  - Hebrew-7 table
   KEYMAP.PS    - PostScript picture of Hebrew keyboard layout

For details, read the HEBREW.DOC file.  The associated Hebrew font is
in the PCFONTS directory, and the HFONT macro loads the Hebrew font.
The font requires EGA, VGA, or higher graphics adapter.

  NOTE: Hebrew support works best when used on a normal 25x80 screen.
  See PCFONTS\READ.ME for further information.

(End of READ.ME)




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From: [e-mail] (Robert Witmer)
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Subject: Missing tail end of session.log?
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I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have
a kermit script file.  It starts out with

log session

and when I review the log and watch the screen I can
see everything except the last few commands of the script.

Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers
which are displaying the logs and the interactive session?

I have at the end of the script,

# Last few things to do...
...  <- a few commands to run on remote system.
clear
#Now logout from remote system.
output logout\13
pause 5
hangup
quit

I see most of the session, down to those last few commands,
but I don't see all of those last few commands.  The script
just returns and the last part of the log is missing.

Any ideas?  Thanks in advance.

-Bob Witmer


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:22:36 GMT
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In article <3j4p34$[e-mail]>,
4th Dimension <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags
>    gmake sunos41gcc \
>   "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR"
>
>and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have
>   set speed 14400
>then kermit complains
>   ?Unsupported line speed - 14400
>
The reason the sunos41xxx makefile entries do not define the symbols
-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K is that the underlying operating system
(SunOS 4.1.x) does not support these speeds.  Look in
/usr/include/sys/ttydev.h and you can see for yourself.

You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering
(most modern modems do).  Just set the modem's interface speed to
38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there,
then tell C-Kermit to "set speed 38400", "set dial speed-matching
off".  Also be sure to use RTS/CTS flow control.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:27:54 GMT
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In article <3j4v1t$[e-mail]>,
Madhu Raj Koka  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to
>my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm.
>Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is.
>On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get
>is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file.
>...
>PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so
>at what settings. )
>
That's the ticket.  You should also be running a more recent version of
Kermit on the HP -- version 4E is also very old stuff.

In any case, it should be sufficient to tell both Kermit programs to
"set file type binary" -- that should ensure correct binary-mode transfers
in both directions.  For further information, please consult the manuals,
and also the sections on binary transfers in the FAQ:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT

If you still have trouble after that, send email to [e-mail]
describing the problem in detail.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Missing tail end of session.log?
Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:31:18 GMT
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In article <3ivad8$[e-mail]>,
Robert Witmer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have
>a kermit script file.  It starts out with
>  log session
>and when I review the log and watch the screen I can
>see everything except the last few commands of the script.
>Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers
>which are displaying the logs and the interactive session?
>
CLOSE SESSION?

- Frank
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From [e-mail] Mon Mar  6 18:27:34 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information
>Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0
>cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or
>\27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt.
>
As shown in the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", 2nd edition, p.211,
Table 17-2, "MS-DOS Kermit Backslash Notation", the way to do this is:

  set key \nnn \{27}1

Otherwise, Kermit has no way of knowing what you mean.  You could
also use:

  set key \nnn \27\48

>P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to
>do that.
>
There is still time.  Send email containing your complete postal address to
[e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (craig szczublewski)
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But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago)

how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit
on a unix based system.  I have a site I need to upload files to, but It
only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from
an AIX box.  Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a
macro that called sz from a shell command.  Does anyone know how to do
this?

thank you in advance

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From [e-mail] Tue Feb 28 09:42:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (George D. Hadden)
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i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old
one did.

in response to:

    set port 2

kermit responds:

    This port operates through the Bios

and, in response to:

    set speed 19200

kermit responds:

    Unimplemented baud rate

neither of these responses occured before.  the modem actually WILL respond
at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!).  this bios
thing bothers me though.  kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through
Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1.  (this may be a result of my
newly installed windows for workgroups.  i'm NOT networked, however.)

any idea what's going on?

thanks in advance,

-geo
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system
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In article <3ivo01$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh) writes:
> I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on
> a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking
> cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem,
> hardware-handshaking operation.
>
> It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down
> or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is
> wired through to DCD on the Unixware side.
>
> However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script
> connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character.
>
> Is there any way to test for this situation and exit cleanly
> with an error message if this occurs?
>
> set flow rts/cts
> SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
> SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
> SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
> SET CARRIER ON 1
> SET QUIET ON
> ; \%a was 4,
> def \%a 4
> echo
> echo Attempting to connect to Common Ground...
> :tryagain
> set line /dev/tty\%a
    Perhaps you would do better with the hardware flow control port
    /dev/tty00h or equivalent.
        As Frank has commented extensively, Unix has rotten serial comms
support and the system may well not do hardware flow control properly nor
easily. I recall that my UW 1.1.3 system does RTS/CTS control ok with the
"h" port. You should also play with the SET CARRIER option to get around
sensing and waiting for it in the initial stages of things. I wish I could
help more but I avoid modems on my Unix machine.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail]  (Daniel Huber)
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I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling.

Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial
command?

Eg.  connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty, where I could
type the responses by myself?

How to do that?

Any pointers?

Thanks a lot!

Daniel



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From [e-mail] Sun Mar  5 23:35:15 1995
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Subject line says it all, as it has been doubtless said before.  Thanks
for your help.

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [e-mail]


From [e-mail] Mon Mar  6 15:53:32 1995
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By WWW, http://www.columbia.edu/kermit

Can't find my notes for anonymous ftp address, but I think it was
kermit.columbia.edu
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: funny new Bios2 option
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (George D. Hadden) writes:
>
> i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old
> one did.
>
> in response to:
>
>     set port 2
>
> kermit responds:
>
>     This port operates through the Bios

    Then, as the Kermit docs explain, it failed to pass muster as a
real legit serial port. Hence the Bios is used and that is a terrible
pathway. In short, the modem isn't working properly, and with PCMCIA
that is not unusual. I recommend you chat with the vendors involved.

> and, in response to:
>
>     set speed 19200
>
> kermit responds:
>
>     Unimplemented baud rate
>
> neither of these responses occured before.  the modem actually WILL respond
> at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!).  this bios
> thing bothers me though.  kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through
> Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1.  (this may be a result of my
> newly installed windows for workgroups.  i'm NOT networked, however.)
    Sure, the networking is available if you have the underlying network
stack. That's all it means.
    Joe D.

> any idea what's going on?
>
> thanks in advance,
>
> -geo
> ---
> George D. Hadden, Research Fellow [phone](voice), [phone](fax)
> Honeywell Technology Center, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418
> [e-mail]
>

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> I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group.
> If so how would I be able to obtain it.

Try ftp://kermit.columbia.edu//kermit/e/faq.txt

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3j4v1t$[e-mail]>, Madhu Raj Koka <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me.
>
> I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to
> my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm.

    Yup, ancient, and we don't support ProComm.

> Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is.
> On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get
> is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file.
>
> On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) :
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters:

    Oh my. That is truely ancient. Please, oh please, update the HP
to use C Kermit 5A(190).

> PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so
> at what settings. )

    a) You must be joking. b) Please do read the manual and the release
docs. We have taken pains to pre-answer the question.
    Good luck with the new toy(s, when you get C Kermit too).
    Joe D.

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The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet
redirector called COMTCP.  While I have been able to get it to work with
some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them.  I've tried
specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and
neither works.  Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with
COMTCP?

--
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Hi, Kermiteers!

Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX
box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode,
if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon
completion of the transfer.  However, if one does a GET, the bell does
*not* beep upon completion of the transfer.  Is there a way (short of
writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the
behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs
and GETs or RECEIVEs?

Thanks in advance.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pizzini)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
craig szczublewski <[e-mail]> wrote:
>how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit
>on a unix based system.  I have a site I need to upload files to, but It
>only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from
>an AIX box.  Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a
>macro that called sz from a shell command.  Does anyone know how to do
>this?

In the C-Kermit 5A(190) distribution there is a ckurzsz.ini script which
does this kind of thing.

        --Ken Pizzini

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From: [e-mail] (Roland Kwee)
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Subject: Made SLIP script for DOS
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Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although
it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following
reasons:

1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the
packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution)
in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to
BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt
to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP,
use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote
slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either
FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by
issuing a series of SET TCP/IP  commands.

2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software
such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers
to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you
should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise.

3) For netsurfing, I would suggest forget about DOS/Windows and
use Linux or FreeBSD. Due to the sophistication of DOS/Win, these are
almost as good as Unix, and at least as complex to set up. The free
Unixes have also a lower price, and more and better versions of ftp,
Mosaic, lynx, mail, news, etc (better price/quality ratio). A week or
so ago I posted a Kermit script to start SLIP on Linux.

4) Note that the script below does NOT have the automatic login
and redial features from my Linux script. If you want those, just
copy them from the Linux script (and modify to suit). You do not
need the slattach and route sections from the Linux script.

OK, if you still use DOS, here is the kermit script.

Good Luck, Roland    <[e-mail]>
--

; slipbpa.tak    Roland Kwee   Feb 8, 1995
; Make sure you study the script and change things according
; to your com port, modem, phone#, etc.

echo Setting up Kermit for SLIP

set port com1

; use the highest speed to communicate with the modem, to
; keep up with compressed data rates:
set speed 38400

echo Initializing the BlackBox modem 32144.

; reset modem to factory defaults, echo on, full responses, answer:
output at&fe1x4s0=1\13
pause 1

; turn the annoying speaker off:
:output atl0m0\13

; hardware flow control (required for slip):
output at\Q1S7=90\13
set flow-control RTS/CTS

; Network settings (verify with your system administrator):
set tcp/ip address 1.1.20.90
set tcp/ip broadcast 1.1.255.255
set tcp/ip subnetmask 255.255.0.0
set tcp/ip primary-nameserver 1.160.11.34
set tcp/ip gateway 1.1.1.2
set tcp/ip domain net.surf.gov

; Make connection, the entry must be in the file DIALUPS.TXT:
dial slipprovider

; Handle the other side manually. Could be automated.
connect

; When the modems connect: log in, start the remote slip, escape
; back to your local Kermit prompt.

; If you want to run Mosaic or some other application than Kermit
; over the SLIP connection, uncomment this exit:
; exit

; If you want to use Kermit to telnet into a remote host over SLIP,
; this section does that:

; Change from dialin mode to telnet mode using the packet-driver interrupt:
set port tcp/ip
; If no name server is running, use the numeric form:
;set tcp/ip host cpu.domain.gov
set tcp/ip host 1.160.1.254
; In telnet mode, flow control is not needed.
set flow none
connect

; To end the SLIP session and hangup the phone, just start Kermit
; again, but not in telnet mode, and issue the HANGUP command from
; the KErmit command prompt.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Bell
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In article <3j2cmb$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Freeman) writes:
>
> Hi, Kermiteers!
>
> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX
> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode,
> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon
> completion of the transfer.  However, if one does a GET, the bell does
> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer.  Is there a way (short of
> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the
> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs
> and GETs or RECEIVEs?
-----------
    That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such
commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated.
    A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive,
which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real
disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is
used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system
Date: 7 Mar 1995 14:18:37 GMT
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In article <3ivo01$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh) writes:
> I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on
> a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking
> cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem,
> hardware-handshaking operation.
>
> It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down
> or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is
> wired through to DCD on the Unixware side.
>
> However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script
> connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character.
>
In other words DTR is up, which is wired to DCD on the UnixWare
side, so the SET LINE (open) succeeds, but you can't send a character
because you are not getting its RTS signal, which is cross-wired to
CTS.  How about this:

  WAIT 10 CTS
  IF FAIL STOP 1 Flow control deadlock

I'm not certain that modem-signal support is available in the
UnixWare version of C-Kermit, but it is, this should do the trick.
If it isn't, maybe it can be added if the underlying support is
there in OS.  To check, just type "show modem" at the UnixWare
C-Kermit> prompt.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to debug Kermit scripts?
Date: 7 Mar 1995 15:15:31 GMT
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In article <3jfstk$[e-mail]>,
Daniel Huber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling.
>Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial
>command?  Eg.  connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty,
>where I could type the responses by myself?
>
There are many ways to do this.  First, you should do by hand whatever
it is that you want to automate, and LOG SESSION during the process to
record exactly what characters come in from the host.  This will help
you to write your INPUT statements.

Then test your script on an actual session, using SET INPUT ECHO ON
and LOG SESSION.  If it works, you're done.

If it doesn't work, and you can't figure out what is wrong by looking at
the screen or the (second) session log, then:

 a. If your computer has two serial ports, connect them together with
    a null modem cable.  Run Kermit in CONNECT mode on one and run your
    script on the other.

 b. Or connect two computers back-to-back with a null modem cable.

On the computer that is in CONNECT mode, it is convenient to use SET KEY
to program the remote computer's responses to keystrokes, for speed and
to eliminate typing errors.

Also note that C-Kermit's INPUT and OUTPUT commands also work in REMOTE
mode, so if you are accessing your UNIX host from a terminal or emulator,
you can also test your script on the "console".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP?
Date: 7 Mar 1995 17:34:56 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Antonio Querubin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet
>redirector called COMTCP.  While I have been able to get it to work with
>some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them.  I've tried
>specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and
>neither works.  Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with
>COMTCP?
>
I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either.

However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers
then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil
support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port
using OS/2 services.

On the other hand, you could always be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190)
which is designed as a real OS/2 32-bit application.  It provides most
of the features that MS-DOS Kermit has except for VT320 and Tek terminals.
But it also has many OS/2 specific features such as support for long
filenames, REXX scripting, PM Clipboard copy/paste, Mouse support during
terminal sessions, and much more.

C-Kermit for OS/2 may be retrieved from ftp kermit.columbia.edu
in /kermit/archives/cko190.zip.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (J. Patrick Harrington)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems?
Date: 7 Mar 1995 16:30:50 GMT
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In article <3jfbt3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
|> In article <3jdiod$[e-mail]>,
|> J. Patrick Harrington <[e-mail]> wrote:
|> >    I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300
|> >with an various external modems and serial links to unix
|> >boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a
|> >Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of
|> >the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it.
|> >Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that
|> >will work?
|>>
|> There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software
|> will work with this (or any other) particular combination.
|> Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so
|> idiosyncratic that they work only with special software
|> that has been specifically adapted for them.  Some don't
|> work at all.

 ---- good advice deleted ----

|> .... and drivers all sharing the same memory and
|> pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and
|> so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is
|> going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or
|> mismatches, or worse.  It's a miracle that PCs work at all.
|>
|> - Frank

    Amen!

    I *have* been able to get my Megahertz XJ2144 PCMCIA
modem to work properly with the OmniBook 300, and I just
wanted to clear this issue up and not leave the impression
that there is a fundamental problem with this combination.
    I believe what happened is the following: I have been
using OBMAX on the OB300 to free up enough space to run some
favorite DOS programs. When OBMAX has removed some of the
drivers, even if "install=d:\omnibook\obcic.exe /GEN 1" is
in the config.sys file, I could not find the modem. However,
with the standard boot to windows (and with "set port 2" in
kermit) there is no problem.
    The XJ2144 does have a tendency to emit a sort of "static"
sound while running, but this happens on the HP100LX also.
    Thanks to all who provided suggestions.

                     Pat Harrington


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Made SLIP script for DOS
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In article <3jh7ou$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Roland Kwee) writes:
>
> Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although
> it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following
> reasons:
>
> 1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the
> packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution)
> in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to

    Actually in autoexec.bat is a bad place. One needs to dial
and login to the remote host first, then start SLIP frames.

> BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt
> to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP,

    Terminology: SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver. Applications reach
Packet Drivers though an interrupt between 0x60 and 0x7f.

> use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote
> slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either
> FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by
> issuing a series of SET TCP/IP  commands.
>
> 2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software
> such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers

    More terminology. Lan Man uses NetBEUI; it's not a TCP/IP
stack. SLIP is strictly IP. NetBIOS may be run over the top of a number
of protocol stacks, including TCP/IP (so-called RFC-NetBIOS).

> to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you
> should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise.

    SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver, which does SLIP work. If you have only
telco lines for comms then it's either that or PPP to move TCP/IP traffic.
    Joe D.

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Hi
I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group.
If so how would I be able to obtain it.
TIA
Louis Bianchi

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From: [e-mail] (DEVRAJ URS)
Subject: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed
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Hello Netters
Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3)
?

Thanks
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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr.)
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Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a
connection.  Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for
hardwire.  Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know
that this must be a simple fix.
Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A.
                TIA, Ken

-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
Type ? or HELP for help
SOLARIS-DEV>connect
Connecting to /dev/cua/a, speed 19200.
The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
or followed by ? to see other options.

Communications disconnect
Can't read character: Operation would block
(Back at multitude)
SOLARIS-DEV>

C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier
 Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake:
none
 Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a
 Escape character: 28 (^\)

Protocol Parameters:   Send    Receive
 Timeout (used= 7):      7       10        Server Timeout:   0
 Padding:                0        0        Block Check:      2
 Pad Character:          0        0        Delay:            5
 Packet Start:           1        1        Max Retries:     10
 Packet End:            13       13
 Packet Length:       2048     2048
 Maximum Length:      9024     9024        Window Size:      3 set, 0
used
 Buffer Size:         9065     9065        Locking-Shift:    enabled, not
used

File parameters:        Attributes:       on
 Names:   literal       Debugging Log:    none
 Type:    binary        Packet Log:       none  Longest filename: 255
 Collide: backup        Session Log:      none  Longest pathname: 1024
 Display: serial        Transaction Log:  none

File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc

Communications Parameters:
 Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier
 Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake:
none
 Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a
 Escape character: 28 (^\)

 Dial directory: (none)
 Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on
 Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off
 Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off
 Dial init-string: ATQ0S2=43X4&M4\{13}
 Dial dial-command: ATD%s\{13}
 Dial prefix: (none)
 Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none)

Modem signals unavailable

Command bytesize:  7 bits
 Terminal bytesize: 8 bits
 Terminal echo: remote
 Terminal locking-shift: off
 Terminal newline-mode:  off
 Terminal cr-display:    normal
 Terminal character-set: transparent
 CONNECT-mode escape character: 28 (Ctrl-\, FS)
 Suspend: on

--
Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr.
Northwestern University, Evanston, IL.   USA
[e-mail]


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I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2.  With a relatively
trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO.  This only occurs if the SMTP
test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no
problem.  Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)?  ... or am I missing
something here?

Advice appreciated.

Jonathan.
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$ type smtp.cmd
; KERMIT command file to test SMTP port.
; Thanks to Aaron Leonard @ TGV Inc.
set host testbox 25
input 3 220     ; wait 3 secs for 220 banner
if failure  goto  test_again
ECHO SMTP responded as expected.
QUIT
;
:test_again
ECHO SMTP did not respond - testing again.
set host testbox 25
input 10 220    ; wait 10 secs for 220 banner
if failure  goto  smtp_dead
ECHO SMTP responded as expected.
QUIT
;
:smtp_dead
ECHO SMTP is NOT responding!
QUIT

$ kermit smtp.cmd
Executing SYS_SYSROOT:[KERMIT]CKERMIT.INI;3 for VMS...
Good Afternoon!
 Trying 128.250.111.1...
SMTP did not respond - testing again.
%SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC
=0007FA31, PSL=03C00000
%TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows
module name     routine name                     line       rel PC    abs PC

CKUUS7          setlin                           8438      00000211  0007FA31
CKUUS3          doprm                            7133      0000026D  0007AB61
CKUUSR          docmd                            8056      0000207D  00069C3D
CKUUS5          parser                           7013      0000066A  0004EDFA
CKCMAI          main                             6657      00000302  0004D702

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From: [e-mail]  (Daniel Huber)
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Subject: Kermit script wanted
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Hi there,

Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?),
I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming
;-). The scripts should contain:

- error handling (output/input chatting with remote)
- self executing script
- self documented
- good for learning kermit scripts

In fact, I would like to make the simple script I have done for a paging
service more foolproof and include error handling. However, if somebody
already has written a IXO or ::number::message:: like kermit script, this
would be very appreciated (I know tpage, but I will not have perl available
on the machines I will install this script)

Could somebody please give me a pointer?

Thanks a lot

Regards

Daniel


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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: ^^<< WINDOWS Kermit >>^^  FTP sites?
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Mark Garcia ([e-mail]) wrote:
:     Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit
: for windows?  I 'd appreciate any and all help.

MS-Kermit comes with a pif file and instructions for running in a DOS
window.  See thread "Kermit 3.14 and Winsock" for a native-Windows
clone if you dare.  I haven't tried it.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it
would download as fast as zmodem:

set send packet-length 9024
set receive packet-length 9024
set block 3

But instead I get two lines of error message, saying

?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)

What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?  Any help would be appreciated.

__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York [e-mail]


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Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Michael Pollak  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it
>would download as fast as zmodem:
>
>set send packet-length 9024
>set receive packet-length 9024
>set block 3
>
>But instead I get two lines of error message, saying
>
>?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
>?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
>
>What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?  Any help would be appreciated.

Sounds like an old version of kermit.  In general, it's good to post
the version you're using when experiencing problems.

marshall
--
                  [Marshall G. Flax -- [e-mail]]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Looking for FAQ
Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:29:57 GMT
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In article <3j47i6$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group.
>If so how would I be able to obtain it.
>
Yes:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt

It also goes by various other names, which are all links to the same file:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/e/faq.txt
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/fAQ.TXT

etc.  It is also accessible on the Web:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit

and then select "Further information".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed
Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:32:38 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, DEVRAJ URS <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3)
>
anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then
give the appropriate "make" command, for example:

  make solaris2x   (for Sun compiler)
  make solaris2xg  (for GCC)

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out
and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location,
such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how
to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of
the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work.

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.
  Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia
  University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: can anyone help me with my solaris2 kermit connection?
Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:38:03 GMT
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In article <3j60jb$[e-mail]>,
Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr. <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a
>connection.  Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for
>hardwire.  Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know
>that this must be a simple fix.
>Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A.
>...
>C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD)
>
Say no more.  Solaris != SunOS.

You are running (a) an out of date version of Kermit, and (b) the
wrong version.  Please pick up version 5A(190) from kermit.columbia.edu,
and then build it for Solaris, not for SunOS.  See the instructions at
the top of the makefile, and also read the ckuins.doc file for further
installation instructions, and also be sure to read the Solaris section
of the ckuker.bwr file for voluminous notes about problems with Solaris
2.3 (which mostly boil down to installing every Solaris patch you can
get your hands on).

Btw, preliminary reports about C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4 are good.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit script wanted
Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:46:01 GMT
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In article <3j7bhq$[e-mail]>,
Daniel Huber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?),
>I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming
>;-). The scripts should contain:
>
>- error handling (output/input chatting with remote)
>- self executing script
>- self documented
>- good for learning kermit scripts
>
Please, if you want to learn how to write Kermit scripts, use the
C-Kermit book.  There are three chapters that show you everything,
step by step.  Every technique that you need to use is explained and
illustrated by example.  Would you try to program in C or Pascal or
Perl without looking at a manual?  Would you try to make a TeX document
without ever looking at the TeX book?

Sorry to keep responding to so many messages this way, but (a) we put
a lot of work into these books and they answer most of the questions
posted on this list, and (b) sales of the books are what pay for the
software you are using.

Daniel, you can get an idea of how to write Kermit scripts by looking
at what is right under your nose: the ckermit.ini (.kermrc) file that
is distributed with C-Kermit.  As far as pagers are concerned,
scripts for handling alphanumeric pagers were posted to this list,
if I recall correctly, and one was also published in the previous issue
of DEC Professional.  For numeric pagers, see the hints in the FAQ,
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt.

The C-Kermit manual is available in both English and German editions:

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 90,00.
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
    Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed
Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:53:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Michael Pollak  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it
>would download as fast as zmodem:
>
>set send packet-length 9024
>set receive packet-length 9024
>set block 3
>
Yes, you can download with Kermit as fast as (or faster than) Zmodem,
but the directions above are oversimplified.  In general (assuming we are
talking about dialup connections using modern modems), the following elements
are necessary:

  1. Hardware flow control
  2. Long packets (but 9024 is overkill -- 1000 or 2000 should be enough)
  3. Sliding windows ("set window 4" or thereabouts)
  4. Control-character unprefixing (makes a difference for ZIP files, etc)

See our FAQ for further information:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

>But instead I get two lines of error message, saying
>
>?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
>?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long)
>
It looks like you are using either an ancient version of Kermit, or else
some other (non-Kermit) software.  The current version of Kermit for PCs
is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, January 1995.  The current version of C-Kermit is
5A(190), October 1994.

By the way, something is wrong with News here, and delivery of messages
is delayed by a long time -- about a week.  If all the messages that I am
replying to have already been long since answered, my apologies for the
duplications.

- Frank

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Subject: Lost messages while interacting with Kermit
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I am using C-Kermit 5A(190) on UNIX in local mode.

While I am interacting with Kermit directly (i.e. while the C-Kermit>
prompt is up), characters that get set by a remote host to the kermit
terminal screen seem to just get lost. When I reconnect they don't
reappear again as I seem to remeber they did on MS-DOS Kermit. Is
there anyway of not losing this information?

--
Simon Perkins                             [e-mail]

Dept. of AI,
Edinburgh University.
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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and busy signal
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Alex Hamlin ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large
: improvement.
: However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy
: signal.  When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue
: without hanging up.

Your modem is responsible for recognizing the busy signal and sending
text to the Kermit script.  Check the new modem initializing strings
against the old ones.  You need something like E1X4 to check for busy and
echo the result, but it may vary from model to model.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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Marshall G. Flax ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>,
: >What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?  Any help would be appreciated.

: Sounds like an old version of kermit.  In general, it's good to post
: the version you're using when experiencing problems.

To save Joe some typing :-)
Start by getting the latest version of MSKermit and read the
documentation.  It tells you more than you need to know about the
settings.  It also tells you how to buy the book.
As a preview, the advantage to long packets is that the overhead of
checking for errors is about the same, so the fewer times you need
it, the less is slows you down.  Going from 90 to 1000-byte packets
eliminates most of the overhead.  Going longer than 1000 can't save more
than 100% of the remaining overhead, so it becomes less important than
other things you can adjust.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (David Coons)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and busy signal
Date: 4 Mar 1995 14:08:39 GMT
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>I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large
>improvement.
>However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy
>signal.  When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue
>without hanging up.

It's your modem's job to detect a busy, not Kermit's. If your modem type is
in the \MODEMS subdirectory, add a SET MODEM ________ to MSCUSTOM.INI.
Otherwise, you'll have to OUTPUT a string to the modem to let it detect a
busy. The ATXn command controls this on most modems.

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I beleive what you are looking for is the INPUT command.  For MS-Kermit
the syntax is:

  INPUT [timeout] String to wait for

This waits for the specified anmount of time, or the default time if
there is not time specified, for the string to come over the COM port,
telnet session, etc.

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Hi, all

I have some problems with kermit script programming.
My C-Kermit version is 5A(189).

set count \ffiles(*.test)
echo total of files: \v(count)
:loop
assign \%m \fnext(*.test)
echo \%m
;open read \%m
;close read
if count goto loop
quit

The result of playing the script above is:

total of files: 5
1.test
2.test
3.test
4.test
5.test

The result of playing the same script without semicolons
is different. Why?

total of files: 5
1.test
1.test
1.test
1.test
1.test

Best regards, Andrey Glukhov


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
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[e-mail] (Lawrence Puente) writes:


| Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step:

| 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server
| 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit
|    and issue a GET command.
| 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14)
| 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works).
| 5) I type EXIT.  The Freenet is still in server mode!!
|    I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either
|    do nothing, or hang up my line.

| How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode?
| --Lawrence.
| --

    After GET(ting) the file, type finish.  Then esc back
    to Freenet's kermit.  Now type quit.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Can't open the file in kermit script
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Andrey V. Glukhov <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, all
>
>I have some problems with kermit script programming.
>My C-Kermit version is 5A(189).
>
>set count \ffiles(*.test)
>echo total of files: \v(count)
>:loop
>assign \%m \fnext(*.test)
>echo \%m
>;open read \%m
>;close read
>if count goto loop
>quit
>
From the ckcker.bwr file:

The following script program:

  set count \ffiles(oofa.*)
  :loop
  send \fnextfile()
  if count goto loop

does not work as expected.  The SEND command (and any other command that
parses a filename, including TAKE) implicitly calls the same internal function
that \ffiles() calls, and thus destroys the file list set up in the first
line.  To accomplish this type of operation: (1) give the wild filespec to
\ffiles(); (2) loop through the file list and assign each filename to an array
element; (3) use the array of filenames in subsequent file-related commands.
Example:

  asg \%n \ffiles(\%1)
  declare \&f[\%n]
  for \%i 1 \%n 1 { asg \&f[\%i] \fnextfile() }
  for \%i 1 \%n 1 { -
    send \&f[\%i] -
  }

- Frank

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Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from
MS-DOS KERMIT?

Thanks
Brad

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From: [e-mail]  (Daniel Huber)
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Subject: Case construct in Kermit script?
Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:26:13 GMT
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Kermit script programming:

Beside case - like branches in Kermit scripts I'd like to use
other stuff.

Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line
processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below,
or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples?

At the end, I'd like to write a pager kermit script which handles errors
from the paging service correctly..

Here is an example of such a case construct:

;
; some initial stuff comes first...
;
;
:once_again
dial \m(telepage)
output ::\m(pagernumber)::\m(message)::
;
; now how do I do this?
;
case input
        00~OK)              goto OK         ; call accepted
        10~sNOT~sOK)            goto 10_NOK     ; protocoll error
        11~sNOT~sOK)            goto 11_NOK     ; message too long
        ...
                        ; other error codes come here
        ...
        ...
        55~sNOT~sOK              sleep 30 -
                hangup -
                goto once_again       ; network overload
done

:11_NOK
echo protocol error
hangup
goto end
:11_NOK
echo protocol error
hangup
goto end
...
...
:end
exit

(I'm not that good in programming.....)

Any pointers and other help is greatly appreciated...

Daniel

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck)
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Subject: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem
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I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from:
ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily
configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver
clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if
one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients).
One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and
Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory.

However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained
to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under
packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for
others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast
and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works
nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works
fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation.

Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14?

Thanking you in advance

Peter

P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email
address, because our news stuff here lags several days.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Case construct in Kermit script?
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In article <3jfr55$[e-mail]>,
Daniel Huber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line
>processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below,
>or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples?
>
You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's
script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version
190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable.
First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc):

forward \v(system)

:UNIX                           ; UNIX, all versions...
...
end ; or FORWARD someplace below...

:VMS
...
end ; or FORWARD someplace below...

etc.  In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make
a "case label" for each one.

To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command,
which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for,
rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file):

  MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK}
  IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds.
  FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_
  :PAGER_1                 ; here is the first CASE label
     ; commands for this response
     FORWARD DONE          ; this is like BREAK in C
  :PAGER_2                 ; second CASE label
     ; commands for this response
     FORWARD DONE
  ...
  :PAGER_55
     ; commands for this response

  :DONE

Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C.  You have to make sure that
you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label.  Not a big deal in this
example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT
will be.  In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking,
as in this example from ckermit.ini:

  IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) -
    FORWARD files

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer)
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Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
> In article <3jls9l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (gordon harlan) writes:
>> how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i
>> know old PCLink could do it.
> -------------
>     You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and

What you may be looking for is control-s for stop scrolling,
control-q for start scrolling.  That it?

JIm

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From: [e-mail] (Antonio Querubin)
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering
: (most modern modems do).  Just set the modem's interface speed to
: 38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there,

I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at
38400.  Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port.
I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200.  The original poster
might have to do the same.

--
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:

>I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2.  With a relatively
>trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO.  This only occurs if the SMTP
>test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no
>problem.  Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)?  ... or am I missing
>something here?

I had a similar problem. After all I found that C-Kermit will crash when it
tries to send characters while it already receives data in a script. Thus,
you'll have to ensure that your script doesn't send any commands while there
are still characters arriving.

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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[e-mail] (craig szczublewski) writes:

| But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago)

| how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit
| on a unix based system.  I have a site I need to upload files to, but It
| only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from
| an AIX box.  Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a
| macro that called sz from a shell command.  Does anyone know how to do
| this?

| thank you in advance

I got this from someone else on this newsgroup (don't remember who) to
be added to .kermrc :


define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd)
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Subject: How do you exit Server mode?
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Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step:

1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server
2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit
   and issue a GET command.
3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14)
4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works).
5) I type EXIT.  The Freenet is still in server mode!!
   I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either
   do nothing, or hang up my line.

How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode?
--Lawrence.
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How come my script commands work fine when I enter them by hand but won't
when the script executes them?  Is there a timing issue?  Do I need to
use "expect-send" sequences so that the script knows when to send the
next command?

My script (or the significant lines) look like:

    script -- kermit~s~055i~s~055x~s~055e~s1000
        get filename.ext

This works if I type the command, it doesn't when the script executes.

Thanks in advance...
racerx

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On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote:

> I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either.
>
> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers
> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil
> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port
> using OS/2 services.

But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP
as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept
it.  Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP.  If they can why can't
MS-Kermit?

I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to
perform downloads.  It would be nice to keep everything all running in
the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and
C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2.

And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when
I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)?
Either way though SIO costs money.  COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK.  I
just want it to work with MS-Kermit.  So...  is the problem with COMTCP or
with MS-Kermit?  Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it
works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should.
Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions.


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Antonio Querubin  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote:
>> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers
>> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil
>> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port
>> using OS/2 services.
>
>But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP
>as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept
>it.  Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP.  If they can why can't
>MS-Kermit?

I can't help you here.

>I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to
>perform downloads.  It would be nice to keep everything all running in
>the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and
>C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2.

The script languages for MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit (in the latest versions)
are nearly identical.  That should not be breaking issue.  And where you
do have differences they can easily be handled by checking the \v(program)
variable.

>And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when
>I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)?
>Either way though SIO costs money.  COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK.  I
>just want it to work with MS-Kermit.  So...  is the problem with COMTCP or
>with MS-Kermit?  Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it
>works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should.
>Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions.

You don't understand the interactions of the various components.

COMTCP works by intercepting the BIOS software interrupts for the COM port.
It then calls a DOS Device driver (VDOSTCP.SYS) which in turn is just an
interface to a Virtual Device (VDOSTCP.VDD) which then calls a monitor
(VDOSCTL.EXE) which eventually speaks to the real IP protocol stack.
Great if it works.  Obviously it doesn't with MS-DOS Kermit.

So if you want to use MS-DOS Kermit what else can you do?

Well, Ray Gwinn's SIO package provides several tools.

Lets's start with the serial ports.

SIO.SYS is an OS/2 serial port driver which can create a virtual COM port
which can be monitored by VMODEM.EXE.  Anything sent to this virtual COM
port will insteadbe redirected to the IP protocol stack via a Telnet
session.

Now the question is how do you communicate between MS-DOS Kermit and SIO.SYS.
Well, there are two interfaces that Ray provides.  First is VSIO.SYS which
provides a virtualized 16550 UART for the virtual COM port.  The second is
VX00.SYS, a fossil interface which has zero overhead in communicating with
the SIO.SYS driver since it doesn't have to worry about simulating hardware.

Now you tell me, which one do you want to use given that MS-DOS Kermit
supports both a 16550 and Fossil?

I choose the Fossil interface.  No overhead, and MS-DOS Kermit will have
serial performance equal to OS/2 applications when handling serial devices.





Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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In article <[e-mail]>, Antonio Querubin <[e-mail]> writes:
> On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote:
>
>> I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either.
>>
>> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers
>> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil
>> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port
>> using OS/2 services.
>
> But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP
> as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept
> it.  Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP.  If they can why can't
> MS-Kermit?
    <part omitted>
    This discussion is rather short on informational material and
long on complaints. I have not seen COMTCP so I have on idea of what
things it does or wants. Suffice it to say MSK does work fine with BIOS
ports, and with Int 14h shims of various kinds for various networks.
My only guess is COMTCP expects a certain, unstated, sequence of events
from the application program before it will work "properly" (whatever
that might mean in your situation).
    Without COMTCP at hand (I have OS/2 2.10 and its TCP/IP stack)
there is nothing more I can say on the matter. Further hints would be
welcomed.
    Joe D.

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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters
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In article <3jqf6p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo) writes:
> I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a
> 486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem
> connected to COM2 via DB25 connector.
>
> Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2
> and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands,
> this happens:
>
> I type AT
> I get ATT or just A
>
> Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
> ATDDT5551134
>
> Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:
>
> Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
> 2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
> No effect.
>
> Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
> communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
> I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
> But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these
> apps.
------------
    Gee, I dunno. It it the sending or receiving end, I wonder. If you
ATDTnumber and it dials ok yet the screen shows dups then it's the receiving
end. In such a case I'd say replace the serial cable with a better and shorter
one. I'd also be suspicious of 16550A class UARTs implemented on big square
chips because some have noted snafus. Insert here the ususal comments about
avoiding hardware conflicts and helpful TSRs, and not configuring the machine
for too much speed (wait states, similar), etc.
    Joe D.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Lawrence Puente) writes:
>
> Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step:
>
> 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server
> 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit
>    and issue a GET command.
> 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14)
> 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works).
> 5) I type EXIT.  The Freenet is still in server mode!!
>    I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either
>    do nothing, or hang up my line.
>
> How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode?
> --Lawrence.
------------
    Send FINISH to end Kermit protocol mode, then Connect to resume
interactive conversation. BYE does FINISH and logs out. It's all in the
manual and the HELP screen. Kermit-Lite has no Connect mode so you can't
talk interactively through it.
    It's possible that you or the BBS has turned off recognition of
FIN/BYE  (a DISABLE command) on their Kermit, and that leaves you with only
hanging up your end. If this were the case you'd need to tell the BBS
operator to fix their end.
    So what Kermit were you using on your desktop?
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem
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In article <3iuspg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
> I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from:
> ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily
> configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver
> clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if
> one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients).
> One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and
> Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory.
>
> However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained
> to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under
> packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for
> others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast
> and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works
> nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works
> fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation.
>
> Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14?
>
> Thanking you in advance
>
> Peter
>
> P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email
> address, because our news stuff here lags several days.
> --
> Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
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> 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY
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    All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be
since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local
wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect
duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and
they can't really avoid doing so.
    The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that
simple.
    Joe D.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: unix kermit server timeout
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In article <3jpcqg$[e-mail]>, Francesco Ruggiero <[e-mail]> writes:
> Hi
>
> I want to put a  time limit on the server ( for example an hour ).
>
> How can I set this ?
----------------
    Manual time. SET SERVER ? to see options, including timeout.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Prefixing KERMIT ESC sequences
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> HELP!
> I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a
> function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a
> user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape
> codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable <cmd>= ESC[?5i to enter
> autoprint. My problem is that the OUV <cmd> function displays [?5i on the
> screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence
> so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just
> display it on the screen?
    Chances are excellent that your host is not sending the ESC byte.
Turn on MSK Connect mode debugging by SET DEBUG ON and view the material
sent by the host. Or use LOG SESSION to see the bytes in binary form.

> P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what
> looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to
> PRN. Why do I get this screen dump
    Works ok here. I can't say why you'd get a screenfull of garbage.
Any hints?
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How do I script a [CTRL-P]???
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In article <3jle9u$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ken Pearce) writes:
> When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax),
> my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to
> break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another.
>
> Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine!
>
> What is the syntax for scripting this???
>
> I've tried        script -- ~o20       and     script -- \^p
>
> but no luck.
>
> Thanks In Advance,
>
> racerx
---------------
    SHOW KEY<enter>, press Control-P, see Kermit decimal code \16.
This is in the manual and docs.
    Joe D.

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From: Scott Weikart <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K
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>I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at
>38400.  Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port.
>I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200.  The original poster
>might have to do the same.

Here's a way to speedup SparcStations ability to handle higher data rates on
the builtin serial ports.

-scott

/* 10:03 AM  Jul 11, 1994 por [e-mail] en igc:comp.sun.admin */
/* ---------- "SunOS patches req'd for PPP/SLIP" ---------- */

Netters,
There has been a number of questions over the last several months about the
which patches (if any) are required on SunOS 4.1.x systems to make PPP and/or
SLIP reliable.  I've assembled responses from several individuals and
summarized them in the note below.  Thanks to all who responded.  If there
are any questions, please send them via email direct.
Enjoy,
Rich Adamson
[e-mail]

Sun Workstation OS Patches for Serial Ports
-------------------------------------------

Author: Rich Adamson
    ([e-mail])
    The Router Exchange, Inc.
Date:     July 11, 1994

There has been a lot of discussion in various news groups relative to the
possible need to apply Operating System patches to SunOS 4.1.x systems in
order to have pppd function reliably.  The note you are reading should
help explain the technical need for these patches.  This note applies to
all versions of SunOS 4.1.x, including the current shipment of 4.1.3_U1
from Sun.  The patch required is:
    For SunOS 4.1.x systems,
        Sunsolve1.sun.com   /pub/patches/100513-04.tar.Z
    For SunOS 4.1.3_U1 systems,
        Sunsolve1.sun.com   /pub/patches/101621-02.tar.Z
    (Note:  These have also been available on
        cs.columbia.edu  /archives/mirror3/sun-patches/100513-04.tar.gz
        watserv1.waterloo.edu  /sun_patches/100513-04.tar.Z)

Either patch will require rebuilding the kernel to incorporate the fix.

Technical Detail:
-----------------
Most of the inservice Sun workstations use a Z85C30 Integrated Circuit to
handle built-in serial ports.  The Z85C30 generates a system interrupt for
each incoming character.  Therefore for each baud rate noted in the table
below, system interrupts will occur at the following approximate rates:

    Serial Port
          Speed    Interrupts Occur
    -----------    -----------------------
     9,600 baud    every 1040 microseconds
    19,200 baud    every  520    "
    38,400 baud    every  260    "
    76,800 baud    every  130    "

A typical IPC or IPX workstation cannot handle system interrupts any faster
than about 19,200 baud while an SS5 workstation is limited to about 38,400
baud.  The ability of a system to handle higher baud rates is directly
related to the speed of the system processor and other higher priority
system level activity.

As each incoming character arrives on a Sun built-in serial port, an
interrupt is generated by the Z85C30.  The system processor responds to this
interrupt taking the character from the Z85C30 and placing it in a ring
buffer.  The ring buffer is essentially emptied by the pppd application,
and then passed to whatever application (eg, telnet, ftp, mail) it was
destined for.

If the built-in serial port is set to a speed that is faster than what the
system interrupt structure is capable of handling, silo overflows will occur.
If the application (pppd) is not allowed sufficient processing time to
empty the ring buffer, then ring buffer overruns will occur.

The Request-to-Send (RTS) and Clear-to-Send (CTS) pins on an RS232 serial
interface cable are used to provide hardware flow control of OUTGOING data
from the Sun to the modem.  There are no equivalent pins defined on the
RS232 serial interface to provide incoming hardware flow control.  Although
the patches noted above are often referred to as RTSCTS hardware flow
control fixes, the patches actually do not implement any form of incoming
"hardware" flow control.  Rather the patches deal with the efficiency of
handling internal system interrupts and the size of the ring buffer used
as temporary incoming data storage.

Incoming data flow control (or lack thereof) can be easily seen by
initiating a large file transfer into the Sun via the pppd serial port,
and while the transfer is occuring, initiate another process to 'find' a
file or simply execute a 'df' command to produce other activity on the
same system.  You will either notice an interruption and long delay in
the incoming ftp data, or system logged errors such as the silo overflow
and/or ring buffer overruns.  The long delay is typically TCP/IP timeouts
and error recovery processing.  Without the patch, the ppp session can be
dropped or blown off-line in unpredicable ways.


Summary:
--------
Sun workstations running pppd can operate very reliably, however the
reliability decreases as the built-in serial port speed increases.  This
is a function of the SunOS system, not pppd.  The best that current
14.4kb async modems with compression can accomplish is about 19.2kb
effective throughput, therefore setting a Sun workstation's serial
port to 19.2kb is very close to the most efficient speed possible for
both the Sun system and modem, with the Sun patches noted above installed.
Without the patches, a built-in serial port speed of 7,200 or 9,600 baud
is likely to be the maximum speed for reliable operation before TCP/IP
retransmissions and silo overflows occur.  Your mileage may vary.

If speeds above 19.2kb are required, add-on SBus serial cards are available
from various sources that can sustain higher baud rates then the built-in
ports.  This author has no direct experience with these add-on cards.


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key?
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In article <3jls9l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (gordon harlan) writes:
> how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i
> know old PCLink could do it.
-------------
    You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and
not revealed to applications. Kermit does not play systems stealing games
to intercept below the keyboard Bios, nor is there a need to do so. Leave it
alone is my advice for you.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Pearce)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: How do I script a [CTRL-P]???
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When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax),
my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to
break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another.

Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine!

What is the syntax for scripting this???

I've tried        script -- ~o20       and     script -- \^p

but no luck.

Thanks In Advance,

racerx

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From: [e-mail] (Brian D. Schieber)
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Subject: UNIX Kermiting help needed....
Date: 10 Mar 1995 15:21:30 GMT
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Hi,
 I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data.  What I have
to do is:

1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another
2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the
   machine from (1).
3. download a data set.

As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to
TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection,
then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a
data file from the machine I'm modem connected to.

I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script
that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on
my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online??


--

Thanks,
--Brian

| Brian D. Schieber
| SeaDAS/SeaWiFS Projects
| Laboratory for Hydrospheric Processes
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HELP!
I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a
function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a
user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape
codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable <cmd>= ESC[?5i to enter
autoprint. My problem is that the OUV <cmd> function displays [?5i on the
screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence
so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just
display it on the screen?

P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what
looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to
PRN. Why do I get this screen dump


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping
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In article <3jmvjv$8e$[e-mail]>, Dale Hoehne <[e-mail]> writes:
> Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system
> version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20
> keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS
> that require these keys
>
> TIA                           - Dale
-------------
    Please do read the documentation, in this case either the user's
manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or even the technical file msvibm.vt.
Those DEC keys are all keyboard verbs and you can attach them to keys by
name, but they are not preassigned to keys in the shipped product. Use
SET KEY to tie \Kverbs to keys, use a query mark (?) for a definition to
see all the keyboard verb names on-line.
    The current release of MS-DOS Kermit is v3.14, which you may acquire
from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for file msvibm.zip as a quick-start
bundle.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (gordon harlan)
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Subject: Remap Scroll Lock key?
Date: 9 Mar 1995 03:22:29 GMT
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how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i
know old PCLink could do it.

thanks

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From: [e-mail] (Edward Stevens)
Subject: Linux ?
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    Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.

Ted Stevens

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13?
Date: 7 Mar 95 17:42:30 MDT
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In article <3j7vml$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <3im6is$[e-mail]>,
> Michael J. Mettler <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some
>>work from home.  I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of
>>downloading of compressed files.  What kind of speed should I
>>be getting?  I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
>>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics')
>>
> If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files),
> that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection,
> no matter what protocol you use.  You evidently have already
> tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be
> directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject.
>
>>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with
>>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same
>>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)).
>>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem
>>the same as mine.  Any ideas?
>>
> Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not
> precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's
> built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer
> rate.
>
> - Frank


Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around
12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed
files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a
way to do better, let me know too. Thanks.

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Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I
would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via
modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (Dunn Michael J)
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Subject: Uploads with Zmodem/kermit
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How do you get Zmodem (sz/rz) to upload?
I have put the line redirecting std input & output to /dev/modem but I
cant get it to work .It just hangs ?
Im using a Zyxel u-1496 at home running linux dialing into another unix
machine. Could I need something in my .kermrc at the server end?

Cheers Mike Dunn

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From: [e-mail] (Gideon Weisz)
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Subject: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine
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i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet
provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my
kermit.
telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine,
but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider,
i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others
are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently
after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally,
when i was composing a letter in pine.
does this ring a bell with anyone? any advice?  thanks, gideon

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: PC to PC with Kermit?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I
> would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via
> modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks.
-----------
    Tell one Kermit SERVER. That starts Kermit protocol mode listening
on the selected communications channel. Please do have a look at the user's
manual (HELP screen two) which has lots of explanations of how things work.
    Joe D.

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Hi

I want to put a  time limit on the server ( for example an hour ).

How can I set this ?


PS:please CC:[e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo)
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Subject: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters
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I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a
486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem
connected to COM2 via DB25 connector.

Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2
and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands,
this happens:

I type AT
I get ATT or just A

Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
ATDDT5551134

Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:

Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
No effect.

Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these
apps.

Any ideas? Mail me and post here.

-Fozz
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Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system
version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20
keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS
that require these keys

TIA                           - Dale

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I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe
advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there
would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are
really rather daunting.  They are usually more thatn obscure and
sometimes just plain wrong.  This is why we all participate here; so
we can get the denseness explained.  I for one, when I ask a question
here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs.

My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
help much.

Mac

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: UNIX Kermiting help needed....
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:12:25 GMT
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In article <3jpqpq$[e-mail]>,
Brian D. Schieber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data.  What I have
>to do is:
>1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another
>2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the
>   machine from (1).
>3. download a data set.
>As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to
>TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection,
>then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a
>data file from the machine I'm modem connected to.
>I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script
>that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on
>my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online??
>
The docs are the printed manual, "Using C-Kermit", which explain
exactly what you need to do, step by step.  You need to understand
each step, as it applies to your particular connection, before you
should even think about writing -- or working from -- a script.
Somebody else's script does not know the details of your connection.
Do it by hand first, and then automate it afterwards.  The manual
shows you exactly how to do this.  Briefly:

 1. Start C-Kermit on the first UNIX machine.
 2. Tell it to telnet to the second UNIX machine.
 3. Log in to the 2nd UNIX machine and start Kermit there.
 4. Tell the remote Kermit program to SEND the desired file.
 5. Escape back to the first Kermit (Ctrl-\c) and tell it to RECEIVE.

For greater detail, please consult the manual:

  Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available in
  computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on
  a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.
  Inquire about quantity discounts.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

  A German-language edition is also available:

    Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
    Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
    ISBN 3-88229-023-4.  Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke.  Price: DM 90,00.
    Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
    Tel. [phone], Fax. [phone].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:18:46 GMT
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In article <3jmvjv$8e$[e-mail]>,
Dale Hoehne  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system
>version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20
>keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS
>that require these keys
>
(a) Please upgrade to the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, 3.14.

(b) Read the VT300.DOC and VT300.INI files, which explain the mappings.

(c) Since you will undoubtedly want to change things around (no two
    people like the same key mappings), read the manual, "Using MS-DOS
    Kermit", about key mapping.

(d) VMS WordPerfect comes with MS-DOS Kermit support files which do their
    own mappings.  If you set up VMS WordPerfect according to instructions,
    it will take care of everything itself.  Also read the section on
    WordPerfect in the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the v3.14 MS-DOS Kermit
    diskette.  There are various version dependencies that you should read
    about.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:27:01 GMT
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In article <3jqf6p$[e-mail]>,
Fozziliny Moo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a
>486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem
>connected to COM2 via DB25 connector.
>Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2
>and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands,
>this happens:
>I type AT
>I get ATT or just A
>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
>ATDDT5551134
>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:
>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
>No effect.
>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps.
>
Thanks.

The real question is:  Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing,
or does it also happen after the connection is made?  If it happens only
during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem.  Probably you don't see the
dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something.

On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that
indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or
perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference.  In this case, the reason
that Winsock appears to work and Kermit doesn't is that Winsock only
delivers error-corrected (by TCP and IP) data, whereas Kermit -- as a serial
communications program -- delivers each byte it receives.

Of course, you can also run Kermit over a SLIP driver and invoke its own
built-in TCP/IP stack.  This would eliminate the appearance of errors, but
it would not eliminate the errors themselves.  However, performance would
be quite poor, not only because of the TCP and IP overhead, but also because
of the retransmissions that would be required to overcome the errors.

Note that the modem's error correction probably has no relevence here, since
the errors are evidently originating from outside the connection between the
two modems.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Linux ?
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:43:25 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Edward Stevens <[e-mail]> wrote:
>    Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.
>
anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then:

  make linux

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out
and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location,
such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how
to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of
the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work.
Type "help" at the C-Kermit> prompt for further info.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine
Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:49:26 GMT
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In article <3jv4k4$[e-mail]>,
Gideon Weisz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet
>provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my
>kermit.  telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine,
>but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider,
>i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others
>are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently
>after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally,
>when i was composing a letter in pine.
>
It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but
my first four guesses would be:

 1. Lack of adequate flow control.  You should be using RTS/CTS
    flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully
    (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the
    other end of your modem connection.

 2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and
    Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is
    sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences.

 3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host
    is UNIX based.

 4. Noise.

So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make
sure you have the flow control working right.  If the problem does
not go away, contact [e-mail] for more in-depth support.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Manuals
Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:01:52 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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In article <3k01ho$[e-mail]>,
James M. McClain <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe
>advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there
>would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are
>really rather daunting.  They are usually more thatn obscure and
>sometimes just plain wrong.  This is why we all participate here; so
>we can get the denseness explained.  I for one, when I ask a question
>here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs.
>
>My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
>come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
>help much.
>
While you're at it, why don't you recommend that everybody who uses
shareware not pay for it?  And that everybody who wants to use
commercial software steal it from the computer store?

Usually both ends are not needed -- usually one manual suffices.
Price: $36.95.  Proceeds from manual sales are what pay for the
software you are using, just as registration fees pay for the work
of shareware authors, and retail prices pay for the work of
commercial software producers.

We appreciate that you study the manuals and docs before posting a
question, but that is not true for everybody.  We try to "pre-answer"
most questions in the manuals and online help and "beware" files.
We are perfectly willing to help with other questions that are not
answered in those places -- and more often than not, also with ones
that are -- as you will see by following this list for any length of
time.  And most questions that are posted to this list, and that are
sent to our email tech support address, and that are called in on the
phone, and that are faxed to us... *are* answered in the published
documentation.

It is not so much to ask that those who use our software help contribute
to its continued existence and growth by abiding by our wishes and
purchasing the documentation.  For questions not covered there, we are
happy to provide tech support.  And in so doing, we learn which areas
need better coverage in future editions of the documentation.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: PC to PC with Kermit?
Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:35:49 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I
>would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via
>modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks.
>
Covered in Chapters 10 and 11 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit".  Basically, put
your home modem in answer mode (usually via ATS0=1), put Kermit in server
mode or (more dangerously) in CTTY COMx mode.  For further details, please
read the manual -- it's all there.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Philip M. Langlois)
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Edward Stevens ([e-mail]) wrote:
:     Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.

: Ted Stevens

: --
: >>>>>                  ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263          <<<<<
: <<<<<     OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training   >>>>>
: >>>>>                        [e-mail]                <<<<<
: <<<<<     'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger   >>>>>

I downloaded version 190 (Oct. 94) from kermit.columbia.edu. One of the subdirectories
has 'cku190.tar.gz'. The makefile has a couple of linux options..make linux, make linuxftp,
etc. I had to edit the makefile (as it mentions) to make it smaller, and I also had to
change 'lncurses' to 'lcurses' (also mentioned).

   If you want a binary, I think sunsite.unc.edu and its mirrors has version 189 in
/pub/Linux/apps/comm or someting like that.

Phil Langlois

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From: [e-mail] (Gideon Weisz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine
Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:18:44 GMT
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3jv4k4$[e-mail]>,
: Gideon Weisz <[e-mail]> wrote:
: >i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet
: >provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my
: >kermit.  telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine,
  LINES DELETED HERE
: >
: It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but
: my first four guesses would be:

:  1. Lack of adequate flow control.  You should be using RTS/CTS
:     flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully
:     (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the
:     other end of your modem connection.

:  2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and
:     Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is
:     sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences.

:  3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host
:     is UNIX based.

:  4. Noise.

: So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make
: sure you have the flow control working right.  If the problem does
: not go away, contact [e-mail] for more in-depth support.

: - Frank
  Thanks for the suggestions but none of the four guesses happens
to be relevant in this case. and now, a worse problem has occurred,
which i will post (see 3.14/www/hebrew bug? fix?)
meanwhile, i will see if i can get help as you suggested, from
[e-mail]     Thanks, gideon

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From: [e-mail] (Gideon Weisz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: 3.14/www/hebrew  bug? fix?
Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:20:15 GMT
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using mskermit 3.14 and its hebrew option, i ran into trouble twice
while doing www on lynx (though all was fine for a long time, first).
i got funny characters on the screen, suddenly, and they stayed
even after the modem hung up. they would go away when i got out of the
connect mode, but come back whenever i would connect (until i went all
the way to dos, and then kermit started normally again).
in the connect screen, i could produce this set of characters by
striking the usual keyboard keys, so the ascii numbers associated
with lowercase letters (97 and on) were producing the weird screen
characters. i could produce the very same characters by using the
usual ibm keyboard trick (ascii 97, which is normally a, can be produced
by pressing alt, and then hitting 9 and 7 on the numeric keypad before
releasing alt, etc).
pressing "a" produced a vertical shaded rectangle, with shading lines
             skewed from upper left to lower right
         "b" produced a rightward arrow
          c       a vertical two headed arrow (up/down) on an underscore
          d       left arrow
          e       down arrow
          f       degree symbol (little circle, high)
          g       plus or minus sign
          etcetera
 i know that some of these are normally control characters
 meanwhile, uppercase letters were fine
 the range from ascii 128 on (to 155) seemed fine, i noticed
 and so was the range from 224 on(to 250), i also happened to notice
 (these two ranges happen to be particularly relevant to hebrew)
THE MAIN TWO QUESTIONS:
1) what's the cause  and, more importantly...
2) is there any way within a kermit session
to get a fresh start?           any advice would be appreciated
                                thanks,  gideon





From [e-mail] Mon Mar 13 19:56:51 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: KERMIT-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM
Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:56:51 GMT
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In article <3jfqgf$[e-mail]>,
Bradley Pick  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from
>MS-DOS KERMIT?

I assume you mean the MAIL subcommand of MSK, which works like SEND,
except that it directs the file to be sent off as e-mail upon reception.
The answer is yes.  The Kermit distribution includes a file called
IKCAUX CMD, which includes sample implementations of some Kermit-CMS
utilities, including the KERMAIL EXEC that performs the necessary
e-mail functions.  Tailor it to your needs and install.
            John Chandler

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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Hello,

on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to
a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under
Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see
any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering
when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is
expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything
is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the
connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under
DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from
within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too.

Any ideas?

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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From [e-mail] Mon Mar 13 19:40:24 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ron Orr)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Binary file expansion
Date: 13 Mar 1995 11:40:24 -0800
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Here's an interesting problem:

When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190)
OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file,
a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer
using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed
the xfer as going on in binary mode.

I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found
none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either?

Any suggestions?
--
Ronald N. Orr, TRW SEDD, PO Box 3099, Manhattan Beach CA 90266-1099
voice: [phone] fax:[phone], [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Re: Manuals
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In article <3k01ho$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
 (James M. McClain) writes:
|>
|>
|> I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe
|> advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there
|> would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are
|> really rather daunting.  They are usually more thatn obscure and
|> sometimes just plain wrong.  This is why we all participate here; so
|> we can get the denseness explained.  I for one, when I ask a question
|> here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs.
|>
|> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
|> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
|> help much.
|>
|> Mac

My experience with the Kermit books is completely opposite to Mr. McClain's.
The original book, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is worth the price
for its incredibly clear explanations of serial communications.  It was
published in 1987 so naturally it is no longer the definitive reference
for Kermit.

"Using MS-DOS Kermit" can be daunting but the only sections I've found
obscure are the Appendices.  However, these are mostly tables of escape
sequences for the various terminal emulations.  This is not information
that the average user needs to know.  However, I consider it a selling
point of the book that the information is there for the technician who
would otherwise have great difficulty finding these tables.

I also have "Using C-Kermit" but have not read that much of it.  I have
no doubt that it is well-written, I simply haven't needed to refer to it.
So based on my experience I conclude that "both ends" are not needed
for the average user.

Finally, the comment that the manual is "sometimes just plain wrong"
is undoubtedly true.  However, I have found *very* few outright mistakes
from my reading.  Most of the inaccuracies are because the books are
static whereas, the programs, fortunately for us, continue to evolve.
The recent features are covered well in the supplemental ".upd" and
".bwr" files.

My recommendation is that anyone responsible for supporting Kermit
should buy all three books.  Anyone who is impressed by fine technical
writing and wants to understand serial communications should buy the
original.  And anyone who wants to support the Kermit effort or enjoys
exploiting the full potential of the software they use should buy either
the MS-DOS or the C-Kermit manuals depending on their platform.
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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Subject: More on Manuals
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Frank gives us more bemusement:

Kermit docs make it quite clear that Kermit is not shareware or that a
user is somehow obligated to BUY the Manuals (all three of which are
needed for both ends for most sysops at $85).  Frank seems to through
in this spurious argument just to confuse - just as the docs confuse.
It would seem that the real reason to be up tight about the purchase
of the Mans is that Frank's salary come from the proceeds, not because
they are helpful.

Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most
of the questions asked here.  What I tried to sy was that they are
poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need
this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say.  If it matters,
please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally
incomprehensable.

What I suggest is that rather than spend time here trying to defend
the kermit docs, why not get someone who can write to rewrite them.

Mac

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In article <3k01ho$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James M. McClain) writes:
> I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe
    Gee, and all along I thought drones were *supposed* to be
constant. Bagpipes and such. Learn something new every day, thanks.

> advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there
> would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are
> really rather daunting.  They are usually more thatn obscure and
> sometimes just plain wrong.  This is why we all participate here; so
> we can get the denseness explained.  I for one, when I ask a question
> here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs.

    I can't comment incisively (sp?) without knowing the item(s) to
which you refer. The books are not what I and many others would describe
as daunting or more than obscure etc. They do have a few errors, as all
docs do, and times change to obsolete some particular features. Those
that do vanish are covered in the .UPD and .BWR files issued with each
release.

> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
> help much.
    You are welcome to advise, of course, and my advice would be
the opposite because the users are better off knowing than not knowing.
    Also, it saves much wear and tear on the readership (including
me) to not have to restate the manuals <more often than necessary>. You
can save me playing back the rtfm recording by giving us a tip that you
did dig but came back with no treasure.
    Thanks and no offence taken,
    Joe D.
> Mac

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> >>I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as
> >>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics')
> >>
> >>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with
> >>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same
> >>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)).
> >>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem
> >>the same as mine.  Any ideas?
> >>
> > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not
> > precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's
> > built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer
> > rate.

> Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around
> 12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed
> files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a
> way to do better, let me know too. Thanks.

And for good measure I'm using the Sportster 14400 and I acheive 1600 cps
going up to 2000 cps for compressible files.  This strikes me as a bit
slow - is the compression algorithm used really this feeble - most compression
algorithms achieve better than x2 compression on my TeX files.
Ian.
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Binary file expansion
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In article <3k2738$[e-mail]>,
Ron Orr <[e-mail]> wrote:
>When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190)
>OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file,
>a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer
>using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed
>the xfer as going on in binary mode.
>
>I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found
>none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either?
>
A certain BBS implementation of Kermit is known to have this problem.
It does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, and is confused by the
new negotiation fields in the new Kermit releases, and goes nuts.  You
*might* be able to work around the problem by telling one or both Kermit
programs to use (say) even parity.  Better yet, ask your BBS sysop to use
MS-DOS Kermit "Lite" to do its Kermit protocol transfers.  That's what it's
for.

- Frank

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I have 2 tickets for the Senators-Penguins game on Sunday
March 19/95.

They are in section 18
blue line) at $28.99 each

Reply to either [e-mail] or to [e-mail]

Kerz.

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Here it is; "A Grimm Fairy Tale", the story of a longtime Jen fan who
finally got to meet the Jen for whom afjc was named.

My trip started in Cambridge (Boston). Since Jen Yuan was in town the
same weekend, I left a phone message for her.  My intention was to
leave a vague message that only she would understand.  Unfortunately,
it was so vague that they didn't know it was for her.  The fact that
I didn't know how to pronounce her name didn't help.

Next stop Hoboken NJ.  After Jen L. performed the herculean task of
finding me a parking space in Hoboken, we went to NYC for a mini Jenvention;
2 Jens and 3 Jen fans, not bad, except I prefer the other way around. :)
The 5 were myself, Jen L., Jen L.'s David, Jeff Berg, and Jennifah. (sp)
For all but Jennifah, this was a warmup for Mardi Gras.  The next day I went
back to NYC to Jeff Berg's office.  Upon returning to Hoboken I found that
I had left something rather important in his office; my list of addresses
and phone #'s for all the Jens I was supposed to visit!  It doesn't take
long to get from Hoboken to NYU when you're desperate. ;)

Next stop Philadelphia.  It's a nice place for a walking tour, since most
of the attractions are close together.  I took pictures of Jen Y in her
TD outfit; those will be among the very few Jen gifs I make.  As far as
I can remember at the moment, this was the only place where I actually
had any ice cream.  I bought a couple of small containers of B&J because
I don't think you can get that brand here (in containers); I ate it
all myself since Jen Y. was recuperating from some leftover Chinese food.

Then Washington, where I learned 3 things in my first 2 hours;
- Don't drive west along K street
- Don't drive west along H street
- Don't drive.
I met Jenn Biller, but Jen Hill managed to nimbly avoid me. *pout*

The next night I stopped in Kingston TN.  No Jens in sight! :(

Finally I got to New Orleans.  I found Jenn A's house right away, but nobody
was home, so I spent a couple of hours looking for them.  Most of that
time they were there, while I was elsewhere searching.  At midnight
Jenn and most of the others went out to a bar.  I decided I wasn't up to it,
so I stayed "home", along with Jenn's friend Jenny T; the best decision
I made all weekend, since Jenny T quickly became my new favourite Jen
(the first time in 15 years that I've had a favourite).  Then at 2AM
Jenn's friend Mattie, who I was supposed to stay with, picked me up
and took me to a bar for a couple of hours and then to her place.
Her boyfriend wasn't too happy;
"Let me get this straight.  It's 2am, you're going to pick up a guy you've
 never met, take him to a bar, and then take him home to sleep?"
I met him the next day and everything was ok, though he still got her to
stay at his place the remaing nights, which worked out fine for everyone.

Because everyone spent half the night in bars, and we had a bit of trouble
finding each other the next day, the day basically started at 3pm.
That's when I met Jen Grimm.  Jen Grimm, Ron, Jenny T, Jeff, Mattie, and
I started for the infamous French Quarter, but the first 3 on that list
ended up stopping for hair braids and tatoos.  (No, Jen Grimm didn't get
a tatoo.)  In the French quarter Mattie, the sexy one in the group (wow!),
did her best to collect some beads without showing anything, but the
guys were being picky.  At one point Jeff thought he was going to have to
rescue her from 3 marines.

In the evening we saw Rex "open" Mardi Gras.  Well, we didn't actually
"see" anything from where we were standing, but we were there.  Rex
asked the mayor to approve a list of rules for Mardi Gras; "No school",
"No work", etc; fortunately the Mayor, after due consideration, agreed.
Later I had my first seafood "Po-boy", and found that the rumours that
someone with my sensitive pallette couldn't eat in Louisiana were unfounded.
On our way to the restaurant, Jenny T had Jeff and I on her arms and
kept bragging to strangers "I have 2 good-looking intelligent men with me
and you don't!".  I'm not sure why she said that to the women *and* the men
that we passed.
<Jen> Did you ever see 2 more intelligent men in your life?
<Elderly woman> No, I was just going to mention that.
Later a parade passed by, and I added to my bead collection; previously
I only had what the Jens and the woman doing the hair braiding gave me.

That's one of the things I noticed about New Orleans; if you speak to
complete strangers, they answer.

On Mardi Gras itself, it was pouring rain as time for the parade approached.
We made our contributions to the local economy by buying umbrellas.
I watched the entire parade, and studied the secrets of getting people
to throw beads to me, while some of the others stayed at a party
eating crawfish.  (Interesting things... no strong taste at all, but
you burn your tongue if you lick your fingers afterwards because of the
spices in the water that stay on the shell.)

That afternoon Jenn, her David, Jen Grimm, Ron, and I went to some sort
of Indian wedding.  However, Jen, Ron, and I soon left and headed for
the French quarter for the afternoon.

Now, here's the "fairy tale" part.  On the way home, walking in the dark
along St. Charles which was almost deserted, I felt a touch on my arm
and turned to face Jen Grimm.  She took my hand and made a gesture.
When I didn't understand, she took my other hand, and before I knew it
we were dancing.  I can't remember ever dancing in my life before, so my
first dance *ever* was under the streetlights on St. Charles with Jen Grimm!
Could there be a bigger thrill for a Jen fan? :)

After that, anything else would be downhill, so I left the next morning. :)
I was heading for St. Louis to visit Nifer, and while checking my map
I suddenly realized for the first time that I was passing through Memphis.
Normally I notice things like that *before* I start the trip.  Naturally
I went to Graceland, though by the time I waited overnight for it to
open I didn't have time to do anything but buy souvenirs.  Then in St. Louis
I investigated the important issue that was on my mind: "Why hasn't
Nifer posted lately?"  It turned out that there was a technical reason,
we weren't being snubbed after all. :)

I visited a favourite non-Jen in Macomb IL, was stood up by another favourite
in PEEoria IL, and then found Jen Fausti in Chicago, she already posted
about that.  In Toledo I saw Jen Radon, and Jenny T who gave me the beads
that I'd forgotten in New Orleans.  I decided to make a run for the border,
i.e. get home from Toledo in one day.  I left at 2 PM, stopped briefly in
Guelph to see Jen Robertson, and got home at about 4:30 AM.  That's a couple
of hours later than I expected, due to a snowstorm; the most dangerous
trip of my life.  At first traffic was slow, then I tried to make up for
lost time by driving 60 MPH on a road that I could barely see.  I kept the
car pointing where I suspected the road was, and fortunately I was right.

Well, that's it.  I was on the road for 17 days, but it was worth it;
I got to meet Jen Grimm *and* my new personal favourite Jen! :)
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From: [e-mail] (gordon harlan)
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the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as
your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be
all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100
systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is
dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit.


anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler


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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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In article <3k1vs4$[e-mail]>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:

>on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to
>a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under
>Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see
>any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering
>when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is
>expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything
>is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the
>connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under
>DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from
>within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too.
>
>Any ideas?

Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway:
In my ini script I have to use a
  SET COM4 <address> <IRQ>
in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this
setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt
from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work.
Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all
is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have
to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does
excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this
is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-(

Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution.

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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In article <3k3g96$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (gordon harlan) writes:
> the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as
> your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be
> all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100

    Wanna bet? Yes, the app has to dig beneath the Bios, trap keyboard
interrupts, and fanagle things to fake a visible key.

> systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is
> dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit.
> anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joseph Huber)
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Subject: Re: More on Manuals
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 (James M. McClain) writes:
>Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most
>of the questions asked here.  What I tried to sy was that they are
>poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need
>this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say.  If it matters,
>please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally
>incomprehensable.

Perhaps the problem is with your comprehension and not with the docs?????

Just out of curiosity, could you name a manual that you do find satisfactory?

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From: [e-mail] (Alex Hamlin)
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Subject: Dialing rotation.
Date: 10 Mar 1995 14:54:42 GMT
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Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with
kermit?  I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it
(MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial
a second and a third before returning to the first.

-B.S.
--
I don't speak for anyone but me and occasionally I don't even get to do
that.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Dialing rotation.
Date: 15 Mar 1995 19:03:18 GMT
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In article <3jpp7i$[e-mail]>,
Alex Hamlin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with
>kermit?  I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it
>(MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial
>a second and a third before returning to the first.
>
Make a copy of your dialing script under a different name, such as
"mydial.scr".

Modify this copy of the dialing script to only dial once, and to set
a variable indicating the failure reason.  For example, at the top of
the dialing script, add:

  define mystatus

and then change the BUSY section from whatever it is now, such as:

  :BUSY
  if < \v(count) 2 goto quit    ; Don't wait 60 seconds if tries used up.
  Echo Busy or No Carrier, will dial again in 30 seconds...
  echo Press any key to cancel...
  hangup                          ; Hang up.
  :AGAIN
  if count goto redial            ; Then go redial.
  :QUIT
  errfail {It never answers!  I give up.} ; Too many tries.

to something like:

  :BUSY
  define mystatus BUSY
  end 1

Then you can dial like this:

  set modem mydial    ; Use special dialing script
  :LOOP
  dial 7654321        ; Try first number
  if success goto OK
  if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP ; or whatever...
  dial 8765432
  if success goto OK
  if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP
  dial 9876543
  if fail goto LOOP
  :OK

This is just one of many possible ways to do this.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Vi Nham)
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Subject: Zmodem hangup??
Date: 15 Mar 1995 03:12:55 GMT
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Hi everyone,

I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it.

I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with
no success.

The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1).
and I am login at 12000 baud.

The problem I have is it hang up after the pc detect it is about to
receive a file using zmodem protocol.  The pc just wouldn't receive
anymore packet from the unix end.

I am using  " sz -be -vvv test.exe " on the unix side to send the file.

    -be  --> send binary file and escape all control character.
    -vvv --> capture the debug message to file.

Here is the capture debug message found in the unix side.  (after the
transmission has been abort.)

==================================================================

sz 3.18 12-07-91 for V7/BSD

mode:1

Countem: 000 test.exe  1105
countem: Total 1 1105
zshhdr: f 4 ZRQINIT 0
Retry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for test.exe
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=2  Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0
Calling read: alarm=80  Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0
mode:0

======================================================================

The error seem to complain about the path not found??

Can someone help me with this please?

Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1.  Hence I am stuck with
      7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem??

Thanks in advance for any suggestion,
Vi

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup??
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In article <3k5lvn$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Vi Nham) writes:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it.
>
> I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with
> no success.
----------
    Perhaps you have chosen the wrong News group. This one is about
Kermit, not zmodem. While you are here, however, may we recommend you
try Kermit on both ends of the link; they work.
    Joe D.

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!schieb
From: [e-mail] (Brian D. Schieber)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Kermit challenge
Date: 15 Mar 1995 14:31:51 GMT
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OK, I'm getting the manual, really.  Should arrive soon.  But I
suspect I might have a hard time finding out what the information
I want.

I'm not even sure if its possible.

What I want to do is:

1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation
2. telnet through kermit to another workstation
3. hit return (with the script)
4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there...
5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud)
6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country.
7. login, password, upload a request file
8. wait, wait, wait
9. escape back and open kermit to receive files
10. cleanly quit and smile.

At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless.
I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit
session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?"
service, and is moy only modem pool connection.

Can someone explain how to do the above?
How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)?

A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!!


--

Thanks,
--Brian

| Brian D. Schieber
| SeaDAS/SeaWiFS Projects
| Laboratory for Hydrospheric Processes
| NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center
| Code 971/GSC, Greenbelt, MD 20771
| [e-mail]
| http://shark.gsfc.nasa.gov/~schieb/home_page.html/


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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In article <3k4fna$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
> In article <3k1vs4$[e-mail]>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:
>
>>on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to
>>a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under
>>Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see
>>any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering
>>when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is
>>expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything
>>is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the
>>connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under
>>DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from
>>within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>
> Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway:
> In my ini script I have to use a
>   SET COM4 <address> <IRQ>
> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this
> setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt
> from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work.
> Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all
> is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have
> to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does
> excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this
> is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-(
>
> Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution.
-------------
    When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides
a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows
applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and
then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows.
    Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set
regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two
devices using the same IRQ.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit challenge
Date: 16 Mar 1995 00:27:21 GMT
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In article <3k6ton$[e-mail]>,
Brian D. Schieber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>What I want to do is:
>
>1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation
>2. telnet through kermit to another workstation

Instead of using TELNET, use SET NET TCP, SET HOST <host>
This will leave in Command/Script mode

>3. hit return (with the script)
>4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there...
>5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud)
>6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country.
>7. login, password, upload a request file
>8. wait, wait, wait
>9. escape back and open kermit to receive files
>10. cleanly quit and smile.
>
>At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless.
>I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit
>session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?"
>service, and is moy only modem pool connection.
x
x
x
x
x
x

x
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
Date: 15 Mar 1995 17:19:13 -0500
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

|>     When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides
|> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows
|> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and
|> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows.

This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication
with a user with a modem on COM4.  Her modem would not work at all with Kermit
until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5.  Then it worked under DOS but not
Windows.  I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so
we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and
rebooted.  This did not correct the problem.  Is there something more
to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port?
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
Date: 15 Mar 1995 11:09:04 -0500
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In article <3k4fna$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
|> In article <3k1vs4$[e-mail]>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:
|>
|> >on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to
|> >a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under
|> >Windows and the Norton desktop: ... details deleted...
|> >

|> Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway:
|> In my ini script I have to use a
|>   SET COM4 <address> <IRQ>
|> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this
|> setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt
|> from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work.
|> Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all
|> is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice.... details deleted...

I wish I had a solution for you but I don't.  At Queen's, the biggest source
of frustration with Kermit is its inability to work under Windows.  More
precisely, it works just dandy for many Windows users but we get a significant
number of weird situations like the one Christopher describes.  I'm sorry
to say that the Beware file has not really helped in these cases.  If the
Kermit team has any additional hints they would be greatly appreciated.  As
it stands I often end up giving up and having the user accept that he/she
just can't run Kermit under Windows.  It is very frustrating for everyone
concerned.  Particularly since many of these users ask, "But why does program
XYZ work with my modem when Kermit can't".  I don't have an answer for them.
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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From: [e-mail] (Marshall G. Flax)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
Date: 15 Mar 1995 18:05:19 -0500
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In article <3k7p51$[e-mail]>,
Mike Smith <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>Windows.  I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so
>we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and
>rebooted.  This did not correct the problem.  Is there something more
>to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port?

I believe (and it's only a memory) that Windows can't hack having a COM4
unless it also knows about COM3!

marshall
--
                  [Marshall G. Flax -- [e-mail]]

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I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit
and zmodem transfers.

I just performed the following little experiment:

I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX
I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS
I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix
Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103
and the PC dir also gives 5103.
BUT
Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC
dir gives 4999.

IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length
and kermit did not.

Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more
definitive experiment.

TX ........ Jim Green ............ [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: File Lengths
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In article <3k8k0l$[e-mail]>,
Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:
>

>I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX
>I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS
>I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix
>Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103
>and the PC dir also gives 5103.
>BUT
>Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC
>dir gives 4999.
>
>IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length
>and kermit did not.

Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently
file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between
different types of systems.

When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode
therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF
combination.

Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion.  So you
might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between
two different systems.

Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to
support VMS specific File types.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (JamesSturdevant)
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In article <3k6ton$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian D. Schieber) writes:

>What I want to do is:

>1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation
>2. telnet through kermit to another workstation

Don't use telnet here.  Use set host {hostname} instead.  Then input and
output commands work fine.  Telnet is an internal macro for set host... and
connect.

>3. hit return (with the script)
>4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there...
>5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud)
>6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country.
>7. login, password, upload a request file
>8. wait, wait, wait
>9. escape back and open kermit to receive files
>10. cleanly quit and smile.

>At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless.
>I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit
>session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?"
>service, and is moy only modem pool connection.

>Can someone explain how to do the above?
>How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)?

>A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!!

JamesS

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From: [e-mail] (Chris Holmes)
Subject: Mac Kermit and END key
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I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key.  I can setup
PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4.  However I cant seem
to get a key to work as END.

Any suggestions?

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In article <3k5lvn$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Vi Nham) writes:
>Hi everyone,
>
>I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it.
>
>I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with
>no success.
>
>The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1).
>and I am login at 12000 baud.

Most ZMODEM programs will not operate over a 7-bit link.  Either you
must use ZMODEM-90(Tm) or choose another protocol such as Kermit.

However, unless you download mostly text files you will not be happy
with the throughput over a 7-bit link.  Even ZMODEM-90 PACK-7 mode
is about 20% slower on compressed files than an 8 bit link would allow.
So you might investigate running the link at 8 bits.

In many cases the fact that you log in at 7e1 does not mean you are
constrained to a 7-bit link.  You may simply have a poor ZMODEM on
your DOS machine.  Try ZCOMM and see what happens.


The ZCOMM files are available on Compuserve SCOFORUM, UNIXFORUM,
IBMCOM, Genie IBM PC RT, TeleGodzilla 503-621-3746, or ftp
Oak.oakland.edu: pub/msdos/zmodem:

    zcommdoc.zip zcommexe.zip zcommhlp.zip

The newest FTP site is ftp.cs.pdx.edu (131.252.20.12).  The pub/zmodem
directory contains the largest and most up-to-date collection of RZ/SZ,
DSZ, GSZ, ZCOMM and Professional-YAM files of any FTP site.

--
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   Omen Technology Inc      "The High Reliability Software"
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ
TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746  FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Mac Kermit and END key
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Chris Holmes <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key.  I can setup
>PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4.  However I cant seem
>to get a key to work as END.  Any suggestions?
>
The VT220 does not have an END key.  Maybe you are confusing the VT220 with
a PC running software (like MS-DOS Kermit) to emulate a VT220?  If so, then
maybe you mean the function that makes a rolled-back screen go back down to
the bottom?  If so, the answer is no.  Rollback in Mac Kermit is accomplished
with the mouse and scrollbar.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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Christoph Gartmann ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway:
: In my ini script I have to use a
:   SET COM4 <address> <IRQ>
: in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this
: setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt
: from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work.
: Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all
: is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have
: to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does
: excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this
: is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-(

I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when
I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4.  I tried testing the
port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port"
command, but that didn't fix the error.  I'll try re-issuing the "set
com4" as well - thanks for the idea!

Even if this works, I expect to return to DOS most of the time.  MSK runs
perfectly at 57.6 kbps under DOS, but it loses characters under Windows
unless I slow it down.
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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In article <3k7p51$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike Smith) writes:
>
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>
> |>     When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides
> |> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows
> |> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and
> |> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows.
>
> This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication
> with a user with a modem on COM4.  Her modem would not work at all with Kermit
> until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5.  Then it worked under DOS but not
> Windows.  I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so
> we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and
> rebooted.  This did not correct the problem.  Is there something more
> to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port?
------------
    Fellas, this is a Windows configuration problem. Mr. Gates & Co
make lots of money selling Windows, and rumors have it that they even
offer Tech Support for the product. For those unable to wait and wait
on the T.S. phone line there is always the alternative of using Windows
to configure the serial port to match the hardware.
    The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that
IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make
that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood
(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it)
and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels
on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Thomas David Nichols)
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Vi Nham ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1.  Hence I am stuck with
:       7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem??

As I read the docs, yes.  Kermit is the only standard protocol that runs
over 7-bit links.  However, some connections switch to 8-bit
automatically when you need it.  You don't mention running zmodem on your
ms-dos machine.  You aren't expecting MS-Kermit to receive the zmodem
download, are you?  (I'll omit the obvious question of why use zmodem
when Kermit is already running.)
--
David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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Brian D. Schieber ([e-mail]) wrote:

: What I want to do is:

: 1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation
: 2. telnet through kermit to another workstation
: 3. hit return (with the script)
: 4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there...

: At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless.
: I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit
: session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?"

As a non-wizard, I'm not sure what you mean by "disconnected from my
kermit session."  What message do you get?  Are you sure the network
variables are correct for telnetting?  Does it work when you type in
the commands instead of running the script?
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David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters
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[e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:

>>I get ATT or just A
>>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
>>ATDDT5551134
>>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:
>>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
>>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
>>No effect.
>>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
>>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
>>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
>>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps.

>The real question is:  Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing,
>or does it also happen after the connection is made?  If it happens only
>during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem.  Probably you don't see the
>dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something.

I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the
missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side.
I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was
supposed to be echoed back.

From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the
cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below).

>On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that
>indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or
>perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference.

I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had
PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows
I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the
data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting
duplicated or garbled up.

Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0
(in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the
computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added
that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems
at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all
running at the same time over this 28.8 modem.

Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART
on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to
do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that
will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean
that there is something WRONG with the UART?

-Fozz
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Subject: Re: Mac Kermit and END key
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Chris Holmes ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key.  I can setup
: PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4.  However I cant seem
: to get a key to work as END.

: Any suggestions?

Forgot to say, its Mac Kermit 189.

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Fozziliny Moo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...
>Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0
>(in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the
>computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added
>that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems
>at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all
>running at the same time over this 28.8 modem.
>
>Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART
>on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to
>do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that
>will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean
>that there is something WRONG with the UART?
>
Anything is possible.  There are a lot of supposedly buffered UARTs that
don't buffer at all (much discussion of this in comp.dcom.modems, q.v.).

But you didn't say whether Kermit works now that you upgraded your system
and SYSTEM.INI.  Windows hides the actual UART from the application, and
presents it with a "virtual" (simulated) UART.  Kermit gets to see whatever
Windows lets it see.  Type SHOW COMM in Kermit, and see if reports FIFO
(buffering) capability for the port.  If not, then Windows is hiding the
UART's 16550nes from Kermit.

The second question is: Does Kermit work well under plain DOS, no Windows
loaded?

If Kermit works well under DOS but not under Windows, then you'll have to
start digging through you Windows configuration files in even greater
detail than you have already.  Even then, it is unlikely to work as well
or as fast, since, under Windows, everthing -- screen writes, port i/o
in particular -- is virtualized and simulated and thus carries a of
overhead.  I.e. Kermit doesn't have the whole computer to itself, as it
does in DOS.  Kind of like the difference between driving on a wide-open
deserted highway and the Long Island Expressway at rush hour...

- Frank

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Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem.
To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows
to work with a modem on COM4.  Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4...
Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough.  I had
to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by:

   edit \windows\system.ini
   Search for the [386Enh] section
   Add the following line
    COM3IRQ=-1

I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4.
So in my case, the file looked like this:

   COM3IRQ=-1
   COM4Base=02E8
   COM4IRQ=5

Note that I could have added all three lines with EDIT and avoided the Control
Panels...Ports interface.

One final observation: Joe is right that this is a Windows configuration
problem, not a Kermit configuration problem.  But I suspect that several
users at my University are badmouthing Kermit because of this Windows
problem.  I think a few lines should be added to kermit.bwr alerting
others of this Windows snafu.
--

 Mike Smith                                  [e-mail]
 Queen's University                          [e-mail]
 Computing and Communications Services       [phone]

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In article <[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Edward Stevens) writes:

>
>        Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.
>
>Ted Stevens
>
>--
     You can get it at the same place where it is available for other
systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly
the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect.

-Curtiss

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Jim Green ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit
: and zmodem transfers.

Two things that I have noticed in changing file sizes, and I can't remember
which protocol was involved (Kermit or ZModem).

If you transfer a file from UNIX to MSDOS, and transfer in the "text" mode,
the output will be padded by some number of CRLF in place of LF in the
original file, whether _you_ think the original was binary or not.

On UNIX: wc /bin/ls
      96     440   13352 /bin/ls
After transferring in a "text" mode, ls would grow to 13448, because there
appear to be 96 lines in it.  It also wouldn't work any more ;-(

The other oddity that I have seen is a padding to modulo 512.  I think that
it was ZModem that was doing this.  This would leave ls as 13824.

--
---
Clarence A Dold - [e-mail]
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3k8k0l$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Green) writes:
>
> I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit
> and zmodem transfers.
>
> I just performed the following little experiment:
>
> I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX
> I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS
> I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix
> Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103
> and the PC dir also gives 5103.
> BUT
> Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC
> dir gives 4999.
>
> IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length
> and kermit did not.
>
> Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more
> definitive experiment.
>
> TX ........ Jim Green ............ [e-mail]
-------------
    Most likely you got involved with binary versus text mode
transfers. If the file were really text then each of the transfer
steps should have used text as it's "mode." Text mode is stored
differently on every machine so file size is strictly a local value.
But if some steps used binary mode then raw bytes come across the
wire and the "record boundaries/end of line indicators" may/will
be all wrong. For example, Unix uses LF as eol indicators, DOS
uses CR/LF, VMS typically implies CR/LF for text, and so on. It's
up to you to choose the mode since there is no certain way of
distinguishing pure text from data of some kind.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Yeechang Lee)
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James M. McClain <[e-mail]> says:
|If it matters, please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse -
|totally incomprehensable.

That's an understatement--he must've gone to school somewhere to write
as obtusely (and narcissticly) as he does.

Yeechang "Loyal Kermit user, and not just because I work for AcIS" Lee
--   _____________________________________________________________________
     Yeechang Lee  <[e-mail]>|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94
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From: [e-mail] (Dan Lanciani)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
| In article <3iuspg$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Peter Schmolck) writes:
| > I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from:
| > ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily
| > configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver
| > clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if
| > one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients).
| > One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and
| > Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory.
| >
| > However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained
| > to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under
| > packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for
| > others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast
| > and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works
| > nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works
| > fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation.
| >
| > Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14?
| >
| > Thanking you in advance
| >
| > Peter
| >
| > P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email
| > address, because our news stuff here lags several days.
| > --
| > Peter Schmolck                                [e-mail]
| > Department of Education                       Phone :     [phone]
| > Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich      Fax   :     [phone]
| > 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY
| ---------------
|     All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be
| since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local
| wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect
| duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and
| they can't really avoid doing so.

The original poster is not asking that ARPs not be used.  He is asking that
applications not foolishly assume that they will never see their own
broadcasts.  Or at least that the resulting erroneous message not be fatal.

|     The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that
| simple.

The local echoing is not stupid at all.  There has long been confusion
about whether clients of various network interface standards will
see their own transmissions.  In some cases no loopback occurs and
in others unicast packets are looped while broadcast packets are not.
The choice is often left to the indivudual hardware driver.  NDIS3
resolves the issue once and for all by declaring that a client
will see any packet that it transmits if that packet is acceptable
to the current filter.  In other words, the fact that you sent the
packet will not influence whether you receive it.

Unfortunately, programs like kermit don't even bother to check the
hardware source address of received packets before complaining that
someone has stolen their IP address.  (Now that *is* a bit stupid.)
But fear not.  To accommodate programs that insist on such silly
assumptions, the latest version of ndis3pkt has an option (enabled by
default) to hide a program's own broadcasts from itself.  This should
restore peace to the post-3.14 kermit world...

                Dan Lanciani
                ddl@harvard.*

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>    When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides
>a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows
>applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and
>then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows.

Please note that I wrote:
>>>Using COM4 from within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right,
>>>too.

Thus, I did configure COM4 under windows! That's why I can use COM4 together
with the MS terminal program shipped allong with Windows (VT52 & VT100).

>    Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set
>regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two
>devices using the same IRQ.

Under Windows there doesn't seem to be an IRQ problem, the same under DOS.
And under DOS started from within Windows there is one but only the first
time I call Kermit. Exiting Kermit and just entering Kermit again makes
the "IRQ-problem" disappear...

Regards,
  Christoph Gartmann

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

>    The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that
>IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make
>that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood
>(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it)
>and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels
>on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC.

Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial
card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to
configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran
the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine),
only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt
and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it
again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic
to me...

Hoping for some insight
  Christoph Gartmann

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From: [e-mail] (Randy D Anderson)
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Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit
the way that C-Kermit does?  I would like to implement the 'pcsend'
and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's
TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros, but so far haven't figured out if this
is possible.  I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem
to lose something in translation.  I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and
Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92.


--
Randy Anderson
[e-mail]         "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries.
Loral Federal Systems       We only have small, large, and super-size."
Manassas, VA                                       - McDonald's employee

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From: [e-mail] (Randy D Anderson)
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Subject: Re: Manuals
Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:33:26 GMT
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In article <3k01ho$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (James M. McClain) writes:

|> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which
|> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't
|> help much.

I have to say that I find the manuals to be both clearly-written and
helpful with regard to learning Kermit.  The "Using C-Kermit" book
in particular has lots of good information which would be difficult
to find elsewhere.  "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is somewhat
out of date by now, but I still found it to be a useful reference as
well as a good introduction to data communications programming concepts.

--
Randy Anderson
[e-mail]         "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries.
Loral Federal Systems       We only have small, large, and super-size."
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    As I was browing the net today, I came to the conclusion that I should put
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    This morning I tried to send this message. I failed. I got reminded by the
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers
Date: 17 Mar 1995 14:16:37 GMT
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In article <3k45hm$[e-mail]>,
Randy D Anderson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit
>the way that C-Kermit does?
>
The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability.

>I would like to implement the 'pcsend'
>and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's
>TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros...
>
Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros.  That was
the "old way", which no longer works.  See the KERMIT.BWR file for
details.  The new way is to send actual Kermit commands embedded in APC
escape sequences.

>...but so far haven't figured out if this
>is possible.  I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem
>to lose something in translation.  I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and
>Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92.
>
Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b,
files ik0*.* and ikc*.*.  It has an APC command.  To write macros to
use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters
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In article <3k9k97$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Fozziliny Moo) writes:
> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>
>>>I get ATT or just A
>>>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like
>>>ATDDT5551134
>>>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem:
>>>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and
>>>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem.
>>>No effect.
>>>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems
>>>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver.
>>>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly.
>>>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps.
>
>>The real question is:  Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing,
>>or does it also happen after the connection is made?  If it happens only
>>during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem.  Probably you don't see the
>>dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something.
>
> I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the
> missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side.
> I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was
> supposed to be echoed back.
>
> From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the
> cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below).
>
>>On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that
>>indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or
>>perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference.
>
> I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had
> PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows
> I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the
> data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting
> duplicated or garbled up.
>
> Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0
> (in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the
> computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added
> that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems
> at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all
> running at the same time over this 28.8 modem.
>
> Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART
> on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to
> do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that
> will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean
> that there is something WRONG with the UART?
-------
Doran,
    From all you've told us I draw the conclusion that your motherboard's
UART is broken. If it really does 16550A emulation then Kermit and Windows
would use it with no problem. But if it pretends to be a 16550A but fails
to operate correctly then both programs will get caught; this appears to
by the case at hand.
    My suggestion is insert a regular serial board in the machine to
double check that it will work fine. Also don't overtune the hardware and
thus cause system bus problems. FIFO control is done by each application
program needing the serial port; there is no supplementary driver nor TSR
etc that will or even could help.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Colin Howell)
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Subject: Question....Is kermit freeware???
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Can anybody help?

I dare say this is a FAQ so I appologise in advance. After talking with
several people I still don't have a definitive answer.

I am looking for a copy of Kermit or the source that can be compiled to
run on a unix platform running Interactive 4.0 / 4.1. I would like to
distribute this free with an application to enable me to carry out remote
maintenance. It may be that there are several versions of kermit some of
which are freeware I really don't know, if someone can answer this
question and possibly point me in the right direction with an ftp address
I would be most grateful.

Thanks for your time

Colin
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From [e-mail] Fri Mar 17 20:43:08 1995
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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
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Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers
Date: 17 Mar 1995 20:43:08 GMT
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In article <3kc5k5$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <3k45hm$[e-mail]>,
>Randy D Anderson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit
>>the way that C-Kermit does?
>>
>The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability.
>
>>I would like to implement the 'pcsend'
>>and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's
>>TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros...
>>
>Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros.  That was
>the "old way", which no longer works.

In fact, the CMS Kermit distribution includes a file of sample EXEC's
called ikcaux.cmd -- this contains, among other things, an obsolete
version of a PC EXEC, using TERMINALS, that incorporates both SEND and
GET functions.  The only reason it hasn't been upgraded is that no one
has complained yet.

>Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b,
>files ik0*.* and ikc*.*.  It has an APC command.  To write macros to
>use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX.

 ... or use EXEC 2 if you prefer.  Both have mechanisms for invoking
Kermit subcommands directly.
                    John




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From: marci kickliter <[e-mail]>
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Subject: DOS kermit transmit pblm
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I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of
MS-DOS Kermit.

I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line.

After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script
which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the
output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then
transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command
line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original
log file.

Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program
which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output
makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file;
sometimes it does not.

Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit
transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows
down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the
program more consistently.

 Any ideas on why we're seeing such flaky results? Any
suggestions? Thanks!!   marci

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From: [e-mail] (Jim Green)
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Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4.  Mike I too would like
to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5.  In fact I have been trying to
get help for several months, but it has not been forthcomming.
Private correspondence with JRD and a carefull reading of the .BWR
file seem to say the following:

When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if there is a
serial device there (ie a UART), if there is BIOS assigns the logical
name COM1 to it.  It then looks at 02f8 and like wise if there is a
UART there, it assigns the logical name COM2.  However, if there is
NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at 02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical
name ***COM1*** to 03f8.  The docs further seem to say that if there
is NO UART at 03e8, but there is at 02e8, thern BIOS assigns the
logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead of COM4.

Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is
this what they say???  Do you believe it???

Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs
before you posted, let me do the honors.  And also do you own the
manuals???

Best wishes ....... Jim Green ............ [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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In article <3kbkp8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:
>
>>    The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that
>>IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make
>>that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood
>>(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it)
>>and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels
>>on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC.
>
> Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial
> card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to
> configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran
> the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine),
> only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt
> and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it
> again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic
> to me...
----------------
    The insight has already been written up in the MSK release docs.
But one more time, the bare essentials of the problem.
    COMx is a logical name used for convenience and means the x'th
serial port. It does NOT mean a particular port and IRQ value.
    The Bios looks for serial ports at \03f8 and \02f8 and if found
fills in those port addresses to a table. First found first filled in.
The four table entries available represent COM1...COM4. Only a few BIOS'
search beyond these two addresses, hence COM3 and COM4 table slots are
empty.
    A number of modem comms programs provide a table of COMx selections
together with port and IRQ numbers. Associations like this are strictly
up to the author of the program, and now you know why.
    What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them
with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel.
    Very very few programs can deduce IRQ usage. MSD and friends do
not, and all they show are the "common" usages with no testing to check.
MS-DOS Kermit can deduce, but restricts itself to IRQ 4 and 3 only to
preserve the safety of your machine. No two boards may share an IRQ;
only one device per IRQ even if the device is "unused."
    From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must
be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers
cut looking at all the boards in detail.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: DOS kermit transmit pblm
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In article <3kd7q2$5o6$[e-mail]>,
marci kickliter  <[e-mail]> wrote:
> I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of
>MS-DOS Kermit.
> I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line.
>After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script
>which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the
>output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then
>transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command
>line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original
>log file.
> Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program
>which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output
>makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file;
>sometimes it does not.
> Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit
>transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows
>down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the
>program more consistently.
>
Merci for the report, Marci.

The problem is that the TRANSMIT command also reads stuff back,
searching for echos, linefeeds, prompts, and suchlike, and
is therefore likely to absorb the thing you are looking for
before you get a chance to see it.

Instead of using TRANSMIT, you should simply OUTPUT the line.
OUTPUT sends stuff without reading anything back.  The INPUT
and OUTPUT commands are specifically designed for synchronized
interactions like this.

- Frank O'Cruz (one day late for St. Patricks day...)
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From [e-mail] Sat Mar 18 16:43:37 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: COM4
Date: 18 Mar 1995 16:43:37 GMT
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In article <3kdd8m$[e-mail]>,
Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...about problems using COM4...
>Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs
>before you posted, let me do the honors.  And also do you own the
>manuals???
>
Jim is frustrated by the exact same thing that is frustrating countless
people all over the world: the junky architecture of the PC and its
add-ons.  He is dissatisfied with our documentation on the subject,
particularly the KERMIT.BWR file section on COM3/COM4 and internal modems.

I don't blame him one bit.  I think it would be a revelation if anybody
was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time
and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this.  We
all know it's way up in the hundreds of billions of dollars.  Are PCs
really making us more productive?  It's an interesting question, a topic
for some other newsgroup, but personally, I doubt it.

If PCs are supposed to be for ordinary people, then how on earth do we
expect ordinary people to content with address and interrupt conflicts,
noisy buses, buggy internal modems, memory management, and all the rest?
I'm no babe in the woods when it comes to PCs, yet it took me over a month
to get my IBM PS/VP working with Ethernet board, CD-ROM drive, and one
(not two) COM ports.  Forget about sound boards, internal modems, serial
mice, joysticks, ...

We do our best to figure out this mess and explain it to people, and I
believe we have done more and better than most.  If anybody has additional
information or other suggestions about this sort of thing, feel free to
contribute.  For example, the item from Mike Smith the other day, showing
how to tell Windows that you had no COM3 even though you did have a COM4
was extremely helpful, and we have added it to the KERMIT.BWR file.

The BWR file is dense, I know.  Eventually it will be "humanized" and
folded into a new edition of the book.  People would like to look in the
BWR file and find step-by-step procedure to solve their own particular
problem.  Unfortunately that is not possible because there is an infinite
number of such problems, so you'll have to learn the underlying principles
and problems and then apply that knowledge to the problem at hand.  That's
what we have tried to do.  All suggestions for improvement are welcome.

Jim, hang in there.  It's not easy, it's frustrating, but it CAN be done.

- Frank

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From: Clarence Dold <[e-mail]>
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I don't blame him one bit.  I think it would be a revelation if anybody
: was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time
: and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this.  We

And the false trails followed after a "diagnostic", like MSD, tells a user
that certain things are true.
With regards to IRQ, the MSD.EXE might as well be hypertext, it doesn't know
much, if anything, about the hardware, especially if MSD is invoked from a
DOS shell under Windows.

The "first found, first used" algorithm works well, making a modem
strapped for COM4 usable in a PC that has one or two existing comm ports.
Blind Luck, and the best that a modem manufacturer can do.

The "unused" IRQ for the other COM2 seems to live quietly, running a
different terminal emulator, not simultaneous with Kermit.
I don't trust the setup, but the user involved is happy.

In order to get PCPlus^H^H^H^H^H another comm program to use Com4, he has to
run MSKermit first ;-).  Actually, I scarfed some comms utility from
somewhere that pokes the BIOS for him, but MSKermit worked, although it
whined a little about the address/IRQ being requested, on first execution.

When users tell me that MSKermit won't work with XXX, but the amazing,
wonderful, whats-its-name package will, I suggest to them that they are
running on borrowed time, and please don't process any financial data ;-)

Later you find that it "works fine", except for the occasional lockup.

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From [e-mail] Sun Mar 19 12:39:36 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Vlaamse Esperantobond vzw)
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I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit.
Can someone help?

I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UP version 9.0

This is my .kermrc file:

set line /dev/ttyd00
set speed 19200
set file type binary
set parity none
set block-check 1
set duplex full
set flow-control none
set modem-dialer hayes
log session kermitlog
connect


Afterwards I type ATDT plus the phone number. I get a normal
CONNECT 19200 message but afterwards nothing happens. I can't type
any signs (the cursor doesn't move) and I don't see any characters
from the remote computer.

With a PC I have no problems in communicating using the settings 8N1.
With the HP computer, but using the communication program "cu" there
are no problems either...

Does anyone have an idea?


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From [e-mail] Sun Mar 19 17:00:13 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: No connectionm with Kermit
Date: 19 Mar 1995 17:00:13 GMT
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In article <3kh8m8$[e-mail]>,
Vlaamse Esperantobond vzw <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit.
>I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UX version 9.0...
>This is my .kermrc file...:
>
I have the EXACT SAME configuration here and it works perfectly.
You are probably running the ancient version of C-Kermit that
HP distributed with HP-UX 9.0.  My suggestion: get the current
release of C-Kermit, which knows a LOT more about HP-UX than the
old one did:

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then
give the appropriate "make" command, for example:

  make hpux90 (restricted bundled compiler)

or:

  make hpux90o700 (unbundled optimizing compiler)

which should produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out
and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location,
such as /usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

If you have any trouble with the new version, send email to
[e-mail].

- Frank

From [e-mail] Sun Mar 19 20:17:46 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Green)
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Frank, thank you for your kind sympathy expressed in you response
to my recent post re COM4........but you didn't answer the question:

A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private

correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following:

When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if

there is a serial device there (eg a UART).  If there is,

BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it.  It then

looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there,

it assigns the logical name COM2.



However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at

02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8

(where COM2 would normally be found.  The Kermit docs

further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other

serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then

BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead

of COM4.

Is this true??????????????


If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal

with this eventuality?????????????


Sorry for the double spacing --- I hate emacs!!!


Jim Green ............ [e-mail]

From [e-mail] Sun Mar 19 20:53:32 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: More COM4
Date: 19 Mar 1995 20:53:32 GMT
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In article <3ki3ha$[e-mail]>,
Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...but you didn't answer the question:
>
>A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private
>correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following:
>
>When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if
>there is a serial device there (eg a UART).  If there is,
>BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it.  It then
>looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there,
>it assigns the logical name COM2.
>
Yes, but...  we're talking about the IBM BIOS, and since the
early 80s, every PC clone maker has had to "reverse engineer"
the IBM BIOS, so there can be no guarantees that every single
one of them does it exactly the same way.

>However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at
>02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8
>(where COM2 would normally be found.
>
Yes, that's what we say in KERMIT.BWR, verified by reality
checks on real hardware -- but obviously we have not checked
every PC clone that has ever been made.

>The Kermit docs
>further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other
>serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then
>BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead
>of COM4.  Is this true??????????????
>
No.  Most BIOS's do not go beyond COM2.  The IBM PS/2 BIOS
was an exception, but the poor PS/2 is now "discredited" because
(I venture to say) the quality was too high, the design was
too good.  (OK, OK, there were some marketing and price issues...)

>If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal
>with this eventuality?????????????
>
They simply use hardwired addresses and IRQs for COM1-4, and
forge ahead.  Sometimes they provide a menu that lets you change
these items, sometimes not.

As we try real hard to point out, this is not necessarily a good
approach, because if the hardwired default address and IRQ are
not good guesses, and in fact belong to some other device, all
sorts of terrible things could happen.  And please remember that
ALL ports above COM2 are, by definition, configured in a
nonstandard way BECAUSE (outside of the PS/2) THERE IS NO
STANDARD.

Kermit software will err on the side of safety, so sometimes you
have to do a little bit of extra work to make it use COM3 and
COM4.  However, we do try to be nice -- we assume the most
widely used addresses and IRQs for COM3 and COM4 (and we even
take into account whether the machine is a PS/2 or not), but we
TEST THEM FIRST to make sure we really have UARTs there.  The
test is a safe (nondestructive) test, and if it fails there is
definitely something amiss -- or at least *different* -- in your
PC configuration, and then you have to figure out what's wrong
and fix it.  All the things we talk about in the KERMIT.BWR file.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Ivan Siew)
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Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where can
I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U only
holds the assembly version. Thanks

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From [e-mail] Sun Mar 19 17:22:50 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Nakamura)
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[e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:

| In article <3k8k0l$[e-mail]>,
| Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:
| >

| >I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX
| >I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS
| >I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix
| >Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103
| >and the PC dir also gives 5103.
| >BUT
| >Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC
| >dir gives 4999.
| >
| >IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length
| >and kermit did not.

| Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently
| file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between
| different types of systems.

| When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode
| therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF
| combination.

| Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion.  So you
| might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between
| two different systems.

| Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to
| support VMS specific File types.

    On a related note, does anyone know why when using
    sz from unix and then using sz from dos on the same
    binary file, one gets two different file sizes ??

    For example, if I sz a zipped file onto unix,
    unzip works fine.  But if I copy that file to
    dos, pkunzip freaks out saying the file is
    corrupted.  So I have to sz the file directly
    into dos using the dos version of sz.  Then of
    course pkunzip works fine after I download the
    file.

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I have a USR Sportster 28.8.
When I use connect I get a good connection.
When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds to
28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas???


From [e-mail] Mon Mar 20 07:51:49 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Monty)
Subject: [?] Browser For Online Documentation
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[Posted to alt.hypertext, comp.infosystems.www.users, and
comp.protocols.kermit.misc.]

I want to create online documentation of processes that are run
interactively from the MS-DOS prompt for the benefit of the users who run
them.  I want this documentation to be readily available and easily
summoned, much like a UNIX man page.  But unlike a man page, I'd like
this documentation to be non-linear and intuitive (i.e., hypertext).

Because I'm currently learning HTML, and because the World Wide Web is the
preeminent hypertext application, it makes sense to use a Web browser for
the purpose I've just described.  Is there a simple Web browser for MS-DOS
that I could use as a hypertext reader?  Ideally, this is what I would do:

     o   Compile Lynx for MS-DOS.  Not DOSLYNX, which is a TurboVision-
         based clone, but the "real" UNIX/VMS Lynx browser (which I
         presume uses curses), with "vi keys", etc.

     o   Use a good VT-series terminal emulator like MS-DOS Kermit 3.14
         as the "interface" (if that's what one would call it).

     o   Seamlessly integrate the two utilities and automate the process
         of invoking them simultaneously.

     o   Create my online help as HTML documents, accessible from a local
         "home page" on our NetWare file server.

Well, do you see where I'm coming from?  Am I pipe dreaming?  Is any of
this even remotely possible?  If not, can you suggest a solution that IS
possible?

Any hints or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks!


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From: [e-mail] (FIGHT THE POWER)
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    A few weeks back I posted to this forum regarding an
attempt to connect TO a U**X system FROM an IBM mainframe.
Although this wasn't a case where a Kermit flavor existed to
solve the problem (so far as I can tell), I received many helpful
responses via email and this group. With the help of these
combined insights, I was able to point someone in the direction
of a utility which, I am told, has made connection possible. I
didn't get around to replying to these responders before other
projects got away with my time. So to one and all... Thanks!
    I was pleased, but not surprised, by the response I got
to the question I posted; this forum exemplifies how a community
can develop on the Net to support an idea or issue -- or
high-quality software. To me the idea of Kermit "itself" is
inseparable from the support infrastructure -- the books on one
hand, the active Kermit community on the other. I don't know of
any other software which thrives on such a synergy of users,
developers &c., except possibly such grass-roots platforms as
Linux &c.
    Well, I'm wasting bandwidth. But I thought some positive
feedback couldn't hurt. Keep up the good work people!
--
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submit to slavery, provided they were respectfully assured that
they still enjoyed their ancient freedom. -- Edward Gibbon, 1776

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit
Date: 20 Mar 1995 13:46:15 GMT
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In article <3kidvd$[e-mail]>, Ivan Siew <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C.
>
No.  Strange though it may seem, MS-DOS Kermit is written mostly in assembler.
There is no MS-DOS Kermit written in C.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: connect 28800
Date: 20 Mar 1995 14:01:52 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Chuck Witbeck <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I have a USR Sportster 28.8.
>When I use connect I get a good connection.
>When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds
> to 28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas???
>
This is such a Frequently Asked Question that it is time to add it to our
FAQ, ftp:/kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt.

(15) WHEN C-KERMIT DIALS MY V.32BIS (OR V.34) MODEM, I GET THE ERROR
     "CAN'T CHANGE SPEED TO 14400 (OR 28800)"

Dialing is covered in Chapter 3 and Appendix II of "Using C-Kermit".  To
recapitulate very briefly: older modems, like the Hayes 1200 and 2400,
that did not do error correction or compression, but that could negotiate
their modulation speed, would report the modulation speed upon successful
connection, and change their interface speed to match.  Thus, the
communication software would also have to change its own interface speed,
or else the user would see only garbage.

Modern modems have two different speeds: the interface speed and the
modulation speed.  The interface speed can be kept constant even though
the modulation speed changes.  Or not, depending on how the modem is
configured.

Kermit has no way of knowing whether your modem is set up to lock its
interface speed, or to change it to match the modulation speed, and
therefore it has no way of knowing whether to believe the "CONNECT 28800"
(or whatever) message.  By default, for compatibility with the huge
installed base of older modems, it does believe, and therefore changes
its interface speed according to the CONNECT message.

So if your modem's interface speed is locked (which it SHOULD be if it is
an error-correcting, data-compressing modem), you must tell Kermit NOT to
change its interface speed by giving it the command:

  SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF

Now to complicate matters, some of the newer modulations report speeds
that are not commonly supported by the host operating system, such as
14400 and 28800.  Hence the message "Can't change speed to 14400" (or
28800).  But even if these speeds were supported, you would not want
Kermit changing to them if the modem's interface speed was locked.  You
would still see only garbage, but you would not get the "Can't change
speed" message.

See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for additional detail.

- Frank

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From [e-mail] Sat Mar 18 22:01:58 1995
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 21:48:56 AST
From: OLIVIA TSANG <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: survey

From:    MOON::CTSANG       "OLIVIA TSANG" 18-MAR-1995 21:45:47.72
To:    CTSANG
CC:
Subj:    survey

QUESTIONNAIRE - COMPUTER AND ENTERTAINMENT

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hi all internet users!
My name is Olivia.  I am doing a study on how people use computers to
entertain themselves.  I would like to know how do you use computer to
(e.g. play computer games) entertain yourself.  How so these computer
entertainment activities affect you both positively and negatively?

Please note also:
*Questionaire answers will be kept confidentically;
* This questionaire will be posted for 8 days so please be sure to
send me the answers before March 26, 1995.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FILLING OUT THIS QUESTIONAIRE.  YOUR ANSWERS
ARE IMPORTANT TO MY STUDY.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please check the appropriate box and fill in the appropriate answer:

(1) Are you         [] Female    []Male

(2) WHat is your age?    [] Below 14    [] 14-18    []19-24
            [] 25-35    [] 36-50    [] Over 50

(3) Are you a student?
    []Yes
    Please specify your level of education and the program you are in.
        []Secondary school    Grade: ___________
        [] Post-secondary    Program: ___________________________
                         (e.g. Bachelor of Commerce)
        []Post-graduate        Program: ________________________________
                         (e.g. MBA)
        []Other         ____________________________________

    []No

(4) What is your present job status?
    []Contract employment        Job title: _________________________
    []Full-time employment        Job title: _________________________
    []Part-time employment        Job title: _________________________
    []Unemployed

(5) Do you own a computer at home?
    []Yes
    []No

(6) Do you have to use computer at work?
    []Yes
        Approximately how many hours per week? _____________________
    []No

(7) Do you use computer for entertainment purpose(s) (e.g. games, music,
    movie, etc.)?
    []Yes
        Please list computer entertainment activities you do and
        the length of time you spend on each activity:

      Entertainment activities            Hours spent on
                            activity each week
     a. ______________________________________    __________________
     b. ______________________________________    __________________
     c. ______________________________________    __________________

(8) Do the above computer activities help you to relax?
    []Yes
    []No

(9) What is(are) the effect(s), both good and bad, of the above computer
    activity(s) on you?
    (e.g. playing computer games help me to release my frustrations but I
    may spend too much time on playing games)
    Good effects: ___________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    Bad effects: ____________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________

(10) Do you think that computer is a good channel for entertainment?
    []Yes
        Please explain: _________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    _________________________________________________________________
    []No

(11) Do you have any comment on "Computer and Entertainment"?

    ________________________________________________________________
    ________________________________________________________________
    ________________________________________________________________
    ________________________________________________________________
    ________________________________________________________________



        THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CO-OPERATION :)



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From: [e-mail] (Mike Smith)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: COM4
Date: 20 Mar 1995 14:11:07 -0500
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There's a bit of latency confusing this discussion, but since Jim asked
me some direct questions, I think I should respond.  Briefly, ...

In article <3kdd8m$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Green) writes:
|> Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4.  Mike I too would like
|> to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5.  In fact I have been trying to
|>
|> ... stuff deleted ...
|>
|> Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is
|> this what they say???  Do you believe it???

I have said that the docs are clear and I admire the Kermit books.

I have read the KERMIT.BWR file several times.  As Frank observed, parts
of this file are "dense".  I learned a lot reading the section explaining
COM ports and IRQs but not enough to solve my particular problem with
COM4 and Kermit under Windows.  The solution to my COM4 problem depended
on a Windows configuration detail not included in the beware file.  Frank
has since posted that KERMIT.BWR will be updated to include that information.
I think this further confirms my faith in the documentation.  Thanks Frank.

|>
|> Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs
|> before you posted, let me do the honors.  And also do you own the
|> manuals???
|>

I own "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit".  I have read, but do not
own, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol".  It was that book which convinced
me to recommend Columbia's Kermit as the basic comm program for Queen's
University.  We started a new Internet service for students last September
and there are now approximately 10,000 registered users.  Not everyone
uses Kermit to connect to this service but thousands do.  I could not
support them without Columbia's excellent books and the help I've received
from Frank, Joe, and others in comp.protocols.kermit.misc.
--

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From: [e-mail] (Andrew Wing)
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    I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a
PC.

Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to Foxpro
for Windows on the PC.  The app on the PDP-11 is generating text files in an
SDF format.  The intent is for the user to run a script to transfer seven of
these files to their PC.  I have a similar setup for another app which works
fine.

systems:  Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21)
          DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60

symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK
*except* the one with 795 byte lines.  The transfer starts, five packets
go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported.  It
appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it
never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen.
Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank
file on the PC.

    I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the
trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file.  This imports
into Foxpro as a blank record.  All the other text files will transfer in
text mode OK.
    I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and
handshaking to no avail.  The .BWR and .INS files don't address this
directly.  They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets
which I already disabled.

    What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in
text mode?  TIA!

--
Politics is not the art of persuasion, it's the science of selfishness.

"Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice"
Andy Wing  Temple U. Computer Services    [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Christoph Gartmann)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik) writes:

...
>    What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them
>with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel.

I did this and that's why Kermit works under DOS and works under DOS within
Windows if I invoke it twice.

...
>    From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must
>be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers
>cut looking at all the boards in detail.

No, after all [e-mail] (Mike Smith) gave the right hint:

> Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem.
> To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows
> to work with a modem on COM4.  Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4...
> Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough.  I had
> to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by:
>
>    edit \windows\system.ini
>    Search for the [386Enh] section
>    Add the following line
>     COM3IRQ=-1
>
> I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4.
> So in my case, the file looked like this:
>
>    COM3IRQ=-1
>    COM4Base=02E8
>    COM4IRQ=5

Since I did this everything is working fine from within Windows. By the way:
I am using IRQ 7, so no need to stick with IRQ 5 as mentioned by a previous
poster.

And it is definitevly a good idea to include this topic into the BWR file!

Regards,
   Christoph Gartmann

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From: [e-mail] (Saurian)
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Subject: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits.
Date: 20 Mar 1995 13:47:25 -0500
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I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and
greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed
since 5A(188)

The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know
if it has been fixed.

NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE
SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :)

The problem is that the following line is in the "conres"
routine in the "ckutio" module.

   if (!isatty(0)) return(0);

Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not
called from a tty.

OK sounds lagit, BUT ...

When kermit is called from a popen from another software
package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software
package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's
special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres"
never gets executed.

An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe
to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and
then specify the following, everything works perfectly until
kermit returns.

   | (kermit -v 10 -s - )

At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's
CBREAK mode has been reset.

Has this been fixed?

I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support
mail box.

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[snip]
Is it *absolutely* necessary for you to use com4?  I've only 3 ports,
so I moved my mouse to com2 (required switching my 25-pin and 9-pin
plugs around) so that I could use com3 without problems.  Later, when
I switched my modem irq from 4 to 5, I continued to not have problems.
You do need to place some pertinent information in your mscustom.ini
file.

set com3 \x3e8 5
set port com3

That should do it for you.  If you feel compelled to use com4 (and don't
have a com3), replace the com3s with com4s in the above.  Somebody else
posted a way to lie to Windows about the presence of a com3 when one is
not available, but I don't remember which post it was.  This isn't rocket
science, people.  I'd much rather configure Kermit than Trumpet Winsock.

Sorry about the snotty tone, but I'm more than a little tired of hearing
some of the whining that goes on in this group.  Joe, Frank, Christine,
& Co. work their butts off to give us the finest communications software
available--please try to be a little more understanding when they ask
to be paid for their efforts.  Where else can you get an integrated
terminal emulation and file transfer protocol that handles so many
character sets and yet is so incredibly robust, that has no artificial
limits imposed on the ftp-able copy, that comes bundled with documentation,
and has its own newsgroup dedicated to supporting its users, all without
costing you a penny unless you find that you NEED the full documentation?

C'mon, guys--there ain't no free lunch.  Download Kermit.  Use it.  If
you find that it is the best thing since sliced bread (and it is), order
the documentation.  $40 is cheap for something that works so well.

Bye,

Troy Smith

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From: [e-mail] (Arnatt Klinsong)
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Subject: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit
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 am using ckermit 189 for Linux.
I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto function too. my question, what is the best way to constr

expect {
        "DIALIN-2>"        goto dialin2
        "DIALIN-3>"        goto dialin3
        "term="                goto setterm
        "aaaa"                goto a-a
        .
        .
        nad so on...
        }

ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one input

Ak
Thanks in Advance


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Curtiss Cicco ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <[e-mail]>
: [e-mail] (Edward Stevens) writes:
:
: >
: >        Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.
: >
: >Ted Stevens
: >
: >--
:      You can get it at the same place where it is available for other
: systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly
: the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect.
:
: -Curtiss

or get a binary version of 189 at
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz

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Thomas David Nichols ([e-mail]) wrote:

: I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when
: I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4.  I tried testing the
: port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port"
: command, but that didn't fix the error.  I'll try re-issuing the "set
: com4" as well - thanks for the idea!

Reissuing both commands wasn't enough.  I have found the pattern,
though.  It happens only the first time after I use the modem with a
native Windows program (CompuServe Information Manager).  CIM switches
the flow control from rts/cts to xon/off, disables data compression (MNP5
and V.42bis), and sets max time for diagnostic tests from 255 to 0.
Otherwise, the modem settings are untouched.  I guess Windows just
doesn't want to give up control of COM4.  Maybe if I put the right amount
of delay at the right place in the script it would work the first time,
or at least the second time.  100 ms between "set com" and "set port" did
not help when I tried it before.
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David Nichols  <[e-mail]>  Heliotrope Quality Systems

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits.
Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:05:24 GMT
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In article <saur.795725006@mercury> [e-mail] (Saurian)
writes:
> I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and
> greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed
> since 5A(188)
> The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know
> if it has been fixed.
> NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE
> SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :)
> The problem is that the following line is in the "conres"
> routine in the "ckutio" module.
>    if (!isatty(0)) return(0);
> Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not
> called from a tty.
> OK sounds lagit, BUT ...
> When kermit is called from a popen from another software
> package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software
> package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's
> special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres"
> never gets executed.
> An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe
> to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and
> then specify the following, everything works perfectly until
> kermit returns.
>
>    | (kermit -v 10 -s - )
>
> At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's
> CBREAK mode has been reset.
>
> Has this been fixed?
>
> I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support
> mail box.
>
You have.

If !isatty(0), then not only does Kermit not restore the terminal,
it doesn't change it in the first place.  Therefore, this problem
*should* not be happening.  We can take this offline to work on it
more detail.

Meanwhile, any program that puts the tty in a special mode and then
invokes other programs should be a bit more defensive.  Like the shell,
for example:

  $ cat blah | kermit -s -

The terminal is fine afterwards.

Third, you can give Kermit a file descriptor on the command for the
communication channel.  This prevents Kermit from opening and conditioning
the line:

  | kermit -l 1 -s -

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit
Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:08:20 GMT
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In article <3klcgm$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Arnatt
Klinsong) writes:
>  am using ckermit 189 for Linux.
> I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto
function too. my question, what is the best way to constr
>
> expect {
>         "DIALIN-2>"        goto dialin2
>         "DIALIN-3>"        goto dialin3
>         "term="                goto setterm
>         "aaaa"                goto a-a
>         .
>         .
>         nad so on...
>         }
>
> ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one
input
>
A similar question was asked recently.  Here's the answer:

In article <3jfr55$[e-mail]>,
Daniel Huber <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line
>processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined
below,
>or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples?
>
You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's
script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version
190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable.
First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc):

forward \v(system)

:UNIX                           ; UNIX, all versions...
..
end ; or FORWARD someplace below...

:VMS
..
end ; or FORWARD someplace below...

etc.  In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make
a "case label" for each one.

To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command,
which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for,
rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file):

  MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK}
  IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds.
  FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_
  :PAGER_1                 ; here is the first CASE label
     ; commands for this response
     FORWARD DONE          ; this is like BREAK in C
  :PAGER_2                 ; second CASE label
     ; commands for this response
     FORWARD DONE
  ...
  :PAGER_55
     ; commands for this response

  :DONE

Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C.  You have to make sure that
you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label.  Not a big deal in this
example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT
will be.  In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking,
as in this example from ckermit.ini:

  IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) -
    FORWARD files

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Linux ?
Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:13:34 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Arnatt Klinsong)
writes:
> Curtiss Cicco ([e-mail]) wrote:
> : In article <[e-mail]>
> : [e-mail] (Edward Stevens) writes:
> : >        Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks.
> :      You can get it at the same place where it is available for other
> : systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly
> : the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect.
>
> or get a binary version of 189 at
> sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz
>
No, please get Kermit software from Columbia University.  Version 5A(189)
is not current.  5A(190) is.  For Linux:

Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary
mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress, untar,
"make linux".

That's all there is to it.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble
Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:24:05 GMT
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In article <3kke33$[e-mail]>
[e-mail] (Andrew Wing) writes:
>
>I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a PC.
>
> Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to
> Foxpro for Windows on the PC.  The app on the PDP-11 is generating text
> files in an SDF format.  The intent is for the user to run a script to
> transfer seven of these files to their PC.  I have a similar setup for
> another app which works fine.
>
> systems:  Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21)
>           DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60
>
> symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer
> OK *except* the one with 795 byte lines.  The transfer starts, five
> packets go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error
> reported.  It appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet
> size since it never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in
> the status screen.  Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I
> end up with a blank file on the PC.
>
> I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the
> trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file.  This
imports
> into Foxpro as a blank record.  All the other text files will transfer in
> text mode OK.
>     I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and
> handshaking to no avail.  The .BWR and .INS files don't address this
> directly.  They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets
> which I already disabled.
>
> What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in
> text mode?  TIA!
>
I think you have probably done all you can.

I suspect that the problem is similar to the one in VMS Kermit-32, namely
that Kermit-11 is doing RMS record-oriented input, and its record buffer
is shorter than 795.  In binary mode, it probably uses a buffer that is
the maximum record size for RMS.

The author of Kermit-11 no longer maintains the program, so there's not
much we can do about it.  However, fixing this problem might be as simple
as changing the value of a symbol and rebuilding.

- Frank
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This is to announce a brief Beta testing period for OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191).

If you have a Web browser, you are encouraged to read this notice in
hypertext format on the Web at the following URL, because there is a lot
more information in it (hypertext links):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

If you are already familiar with OS/2 C-Kermit, feel free to skip past
the following fifty lines (two 24-line screens).

OS/2 C-Kermit is Columbia University's full-function native communication
software package for OS/2 that works uniformly over:

 . Serial connections, direct or dialed, all speeds.
 . TCP/IP network connections, including SLIP.
 . DECnet PATHWORKS LAT connections.
 . LAN and/or interprocess connections such as NETBIOS and Named Pipes.
 . Asynchronous communication servers.

Offering:

 . Faithful ANSI, VT220, VT102, VT100, and VT52 terminal emulations with
   all the expected add-ons -- rollback, key mapping, color control,
   printer control, Compose key, screen & session capture, etc.
 . A complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol, including
   all the most advanced features for highest performance, the new recovery
   capability, as well as auto-uplodad and -download.
 . A powerful and portable script programming language.
 . A large repertoire of character-set translations.
 . Dialing and services directories.
 . Easy access to external protocols (e.g. P.EXE for X/Y/Zmodem).

And lots of OS/2-specific features, including:

 . Advanced user-customizable mouse operations.
 . Full compatibility with the OS/2 PM Clipboard.
 . Use of OS/2 System Sounds during command and terminal modes.
 . Work Place Shell integration through program objects.
 . Alternative REXX macro programming extensions.
 . Full support for HPFS and Extended Attributes during file transfers.
 . SLIPTERM compatibility.
 . Integration with IBM WebExplorer.
 . The ability to transfer entire directory trees from one OS/2
   system to another, with all file attributes preserved.
 . Multiple threads for efficient task scheduling and low CPU load.
 . Fast semaphores for intraprocess communication.

With its wide range of features and communication methods, OS/2 C-Kermit
is ideally suited to OS/2 users who:

 . Want to communicate with a diverse assortment of hosts and services.
 . Want to use the same application for serial and network connections,
   e.g. for home and office use.
 . Want a better TELNET (with rollback, key mapping, colors, scripting).
 . Want a TELNET that can also transfer files.
 . Want to communicate in languages other than English.
 . Want to write script programs that are portable to many platforms.

Space does not permit listing all the features of previous versions of
OS/2 C-Kermit, but if you want to know more, feel free to visit our Web
site starting at URL:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html

C-Kermit Version 5A(191) is a brand-new 32-bit release for OS/2 2.00
and later, including Warp.  It adds the following major new features:

 . Dramatic speed improvements
 . Sizeable terminal screens.
 . New and improved mouse functions.
 . Improved TELNET client functions.
 . Incoming TCP/IP connections.
 . SLIP dialing.
 . Cyrillic (Russian) terminal emulation.
 . Soft fonts for Hebrew, Cyrillic, and East European terminal emulation.

And many lesser ones.  In more detail:

SPEED IMPROVEMENTS

CONNECT mode -- terminal emulation -- is now incredibly snappy on both
serial and network connections, in both window and fullscreen sessions.

C-Kermit 5A(191) processes incoming data in parallel with screen updating.
Furthermore, the screen is now updated far more efficiently than before.
To give an idea of the speed improvement, we used a ripple-test benchmark
that scrolls 1000 80-column lines of text, obtaining the following display
timings for various TELNET clients attached to a 10 Mb/sec Ethernet
network running on the same PC in a fullscreen session:

  C-Kermit 5A(190)    24 sec
  IBM Telnet          22 sec  (TCP/IP 1.2.1)
  MS-DOS Kermit       12 sec  (v3.14 under DOS, not under OS/2)
  C-Kermit 5A(191)     5 sec

In an OS/2 window, the same test takes only 7 seconds, compared to 55
seconds in the previous release -- about an 800% improvement.

The new display management model has also been used to accomplish several
other astounding feats:

 . Terminal sessions remain active behind popup help screens.
 . Incoming material is processed even when screen is rolled back.
 . Copy-and-paste can span multiple screens (more about this below).

Meanwhile, serial port handling is now far more efficient, putting less load
on the CPU, allowing serial-port intput/output to take place at high speeds
without seriously impacting the rest of the system.

SIZEABLE TERMINAL SCREENS

You asked for VT100 132-column mode, now you've got it and a lot more too.

In Warp window sessions, C-Kermit now supports any combination of screen
height and width, up to 255 columns and 254 rows with a maximum screen
area of 8192 characters.

In fullscreen sessions the terminal screen can now use 40, 80, or 132
columns and 24, 42, 49, or 59 rows.  Not all combinations are supported by
all video hardware.  Warp is not required.

Host-directed screen-width switching in VT100, VT102, and VT220 emulation
is now implemented for 80-column and 132-column modes when the video
adapter supports it.  Screen dimensions are automatically reported to the
host on TELNET connections if the TELNET server supports (and uses) the
"NAWS" option.

SOFT FONTS

C-Kermit 5A knows a lot of character sets and translates between any
pair of them.  But in OS/2, we have another problem: how to see the right
characters on the screen.  For example, in version 5A(190) we added
support for Hebrew terminal emulation, which works very nicely if you
happen to have a Hebrew version of OS/2 (which you can only get in
Israel), but is useless otherwise -- e.g. to Hebrew and Yiddish scholars
in the USA, because, until now there was no way to get a Hebrew code page
onto a US version of OS/2.

The new version of OS/2 C-Kermit comes with the following soft fonts that
you can load in a fullscreen session, for use in the terminal window:

  CP437 - Original PC code page
  CP850 - "Multilingual" (West Europe) code page
  CP852 - East Europe Roman Alphabet code page (for Czech, Polish, etc)
  CP862 - Hebrew code page
  CP866 - Cyrillic (Russian, Belorussian, and Ukrainian) code page

So now, no matter what OS/2 National Language version you have, you can
use OS/2 C-Kermit to conduct terminal sessions in at least the following
languages:

  Albanian, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch,
  English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian,
  Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Ladino, Latin, Macedonian, Norwegian, Polish,
  Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish,
  Swedish, Swiss, Ukrainian, and Yiddish.

Thanks to Joseph (Yossi (Yogi)) Gil at the Technion in Haifa, Israel, for
furnishing these public-domain fonts.

CYRILLIC TERMINAL EMULATION

OK, we added a Cyrillic font, so now you can read those Russian newsgroups
and Web pages.  But if you don't have a Russian (or Ukrainian, or
Belorussian) keyboard, how do you TYPE Russian characters?  The new
C-Kermit release adds a Russian keyboard mode that includes:

 . The Microsoft Russian DOS keyboard layout.
 . Hot-key switching between Russian and English modes.
 . Automatic translation to the host character-set (KOI, ISO, etc).

This is in addition to the keyboard methods that were already available
in earlier releases:

 . A Compose key for Latin-1-like character sets (for Western European
   languages like Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, German, French, etc).

 . A Hebrew keyboard mode for Hebrew and Yiddish.

THE MOUSE AND MARK MODE

Copy-and-paste capability, as well as mouse-directed terminal cursor
steering, were introduced in the previous release.  In version 5A(191):

 . Text selection can now span the entire virtual screen,
   scrollback buffer included.
 . You can reassign these functions to different mouse events.
 . You can assign them to keys.
 . You can assign keyboard verbs, macros, or text to mouse events.
 . Copy-and-paste works consistently between C-Kermit and other apps.

To get a quick idea of the power of the new "mark mode": after installing
the new version, starting it up, and accumulating a bunch of screens in
the rollback buffer:

 . Hold down the left mouse button.
 . Drag the mouse towards the top of screen, watch text being selected.
 . Now drag it PAST the top of the screen -- watch what happens.
 . Push the Arrow, Page Up/Down, or Home/End keys while dragging.

Any text that you select this way can be copied to the PM clipboard,
printed on your printer, copied to a file, or pasted directly into your
terminal session.

TCP/IP IMPROVEMENTS

TELNET connections are about 500% faster than before.  Several TELNET
protocol problems were fixed, most notably the ones relating to
"firewalls".  Connections are now attempted to multiple IP addresses when
provided by the name server, until success is achieved.  TELNET NAWS
(Negotiate About Window Size) capability has been added.

Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2
C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a "chat" session or execute
Kermit server functions.

OS/2 C-Kermit can now dial your Warp IAK SLIP connections for you, using
a special technique to "borrow" the serial port from the SLIP driver.
This gives you a lot more flexibility than you get with SLIPTERM.

OS/2 C-Kermit gives you all the convenience features of a serial
communications program integrated with its own internal TELNET protocol
implementation.  If you do a lot of TELNET'ing to diverse services,
especially on non-TELNET ports, you'll begin to appreciate what this
means.  If you want it spelled out in more detail, see the APPENDIX at
the end of this announcement :-)

OTHER CHANGES

 ...include:

 . Improved context-sensitive help screens, status lines, and messages.
 . More key combinations are recognized for SET KEY.
 . System Sounds can now be used to differentiate "Information",
   "Warning", and "Error" events.
 . REMOTE RENAME and REMOTE COPY (both ends) added.
 . New and improved hypertext Updates documentation.
 . Various other new commands, bug fixes, cleanups, etc.

DOCUMENTATION

OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) is comprehensively and professionally documented in
the book, "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the hypertext CKERMIT.INF
file, which covers recent additions.  Ordering information for the book is
included in the CKERMIT.INF file, which may be accessed from the C-Kermit>
prompt with the UPDATES command.

WHERE TO GET IT

OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta may be obtained (and should ONLY be obtained)
From kermit.columbia.edu via anonymous ftp, directory kermit/test/os2test,
file cko191.zip.  Transfer it in binary mode (every step of the way),
unzip it on your OS/2 system into a spare directory, then run the INSTALL
script.  For safety, don't install the Beta version over your previous
OS/2 C-Kermit version -- read the directions on your screen carefully.
After installation, you should copy your CKERMOD.INI, CKERMIT.KDD, and
CKERMIT.KSD files from your regular CKERMIT directory to the new one.

The cko191.zip file should not be copied to other FTP sites.  It is likely
to change frequently during the Beta testing period, and we don't want
outdated copies circulating.  Check the ZIP file every so often to see if
it has been updated, or consult the Web entry at URL:

  http://www.kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

Please report bugs (in the software or the documentation) by email to:

  [e-mail]

NOTE: 5A(191) is an OS/2-only release of C-Kermit.

Thanks to Jeff Altman for 99% of the work that went into this new release.

APPENDIX: TELNET AND SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS SOFTWARE

There is a widespread misconception among PC users that a "virtual modem"
or TELNET redirector such as COMTCP, VMODEM, COMt (for Windows), or
TNGLASS (for DOS) plus your favorite serial communications package creates
the perfect TELNET client.

Your serial communication package MIGHT enable you to connect to your host
this way, but if it works right throughout your session, it's pure luck.
Numerous items -- echoing, screen size, terminal type, and other
parameters -- need to be negotiated and sometimes changed dynamically
throughout the session, depending on the service and the server.

A serial communications program is not designed to handle this type of
work.  So the virtual modem software must handle the TELNET protocol
parameter negotiations on behalf of the communication software.  So far,
so good.  The problem is that when things change, the virtual modem
software has no way of telling the communications software, and similarly,
when the user changes things in the communications software, the virtual
modem doesn't find out about it and can't tell the TELNET server.

To complicate matters further, the TELNET Network Virtual Terminal (NVT)
definition does not work like the ASCII terminal that your serial
communications software is emulating.  Certain characters must be handled
specially, including carriage return, linefeed, and the "all-ones"
character, hex FF.  Furthermore, special items like the BREAK signal must
be handled by special TELNET protocol messages.

So when using serial communications software to accomplish a TELNET
connection over a virtual modem, it is very likely to have all sorts of
problems, including:

 . Terminal-type and/or screen-size mismatch.

 . Faulty echoing: characters can fail to echo when you type them, or
   might echo twice.  "Password silencing" might not work.

 . You might get overprinting or a "stairstep" effect as the host sends
   lines to your terminal screen.

 . Carriage return (Enter) might have no effect at all when you type it.

 . The session might suddenly hang because a special character has not
   been properly escaped during terminal emulation or file transfer.

 . BREAK, required by some hosts and applications, can't be sent.

 . When things go wrong, you have no effective debugging tools at your
   disposal, and even when you can diagnose the problems you often have no
   way to fix them.

THE MORAL:  If you want a fully-functional and dependable TELNET session,
use a real TELNET client.  If you want to use the same software for both
serial and TELNET connections, try C-Kermit.

(End)

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From: [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi)
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I'm not asking if Ckermit can do it (I can't figure out something it
can't do), but how do I tell Ckermit to do it? Has someone tried this?
Would it be best do do some script inside Ckermit or should I try to make
a small rexx-program to dig out the information in the logfiles?

If you already know how to do it, post the script!

//thanks!
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Date: 20 Mar 1995 21:45:22 GMT
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Andrew Wing <[e-mail]> writes:

> symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK
> *except* the one with 795 byte lines.  The transfer starts, five packets
> go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported.  It
> appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it
> never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen.
> Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank
> file on the PC.

Log files would be helpful here.  For K11, you'd -

  Kermit-11> LOGFILE test.log
  Kermit-11> SET DEBUG PACKET
  ..do the transfer, let it die..
  Kermit-11> SET DEUG OFF

One problem I'm aware of involves an out-of-range length byte
from K11 - you may have to SET DEBUG RAW to be able to see this.
Although, altering the packet length should have 'fixed' that..

Billy Y..

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From [e-mail] Wed Mar 22 12:25:41 1995
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Hi, I would like to thank those who responded to
my survey.

Some of u may wonder why I posted the survey in some
of the news groups which may not seem appropriate.
The reason I did that was because I would like to
get answers from people of diverse backgrounds and
interests.

If I did inappropriately posted the survey in certain
newsgroups, I would like to apologize.

Thank you also for the people who give me some real
good advices too.

I'll post the result of the survey in 2 weeks.

Thank you all.


Olivia





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Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the MS-Kermit v3.01 for
IBM-PC source?

Luke


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From: [e-mail] (Tom F McCabe)
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I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and
or announcements.  Can I use the new os2 kermit
version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit
file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of
a serial port?

I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets
but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp
lines.

thanks for any info,
tom mccabe
[e-mail]



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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: os2 version - works over ethernet ?
Date: 24 Mar 1995 00:01:34 GMT
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In article <3ksuje$[e-mail]>,
Tom F McCabe <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and
>or announcements.  Can I use the new os2 kermit
>version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit
>file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of
>a serial port?
>
Yes.  It works over TCP/IP -- IBM, FTP Software,
and various other varieties -- independent of the
underlying communication medium.

>I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets
>but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp
>lines.
>
It is not restricted in any way, except that you must
already have a TCP/IP product installed that supports
the connection method you want to use.

- Frank

x
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From: [e-mail] (John Normann Hansen)
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I'm trying to get Kermit to work under WfW on a token ring network.

I'm using the nine steps to heaven, following the setup.doc from kermit 314.

All it does i hang the computer when trying to load the dis_pkt9.dos. So I tried it on
a ethernet network an it works great.

The adapter is a IBM tokenring and I'm using the ibmtok.dos ndis driver.

Any help will be appreciated.

PS Does anyone know of any BAPI driver that runs with the TCP32 form Microsoft.

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From: Scott Weikart <[e-mail]>
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Subject: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3
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A programmer friend tells me that you can programmatically specify a DTE rate
of 14,400 bps for a COM port under Windows 3.1.  And one of our users just set
14,000 as the DTE rate in a .ini file that we use to configure Trumpet
Winsock, and found that he got fewer framing errors compared to 19,200 (16450
UART).

I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps;
and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions
it as a DTE rate that might be supported).  Will some or all modems support a
DTE rate of 14,400 bps?  If not, what does Windows actually do with a request
for a COM port rate of 14,400 bps?  And does this requesed rate provide faster
throughput than 9,600 bps but fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so,
how)?

-scott

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3
Date: 24 Mar 1995 15:19:53 GMT
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In article <APC&1'0'8a49eaa4'[e-mail]>,
Scott Weikart  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps;
>
UARTs support any baud rate you can dream up.

>and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions
>it as a DTE rate that might be supported).
>
14400 bps was never needed until V.32bis appeared.  Then it was added to
MS-DOS Kermit.  Just type "set speed ?" to see a list of supported speeds.

>Will some or all modems support a DTE rate of 14,400 bps?
>
Any modem V.32bis or higher should support it.

>And does this requesed rate provide faster throughput than 9,600 bps but
>fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so, how)?
>
This depends entirely on your UART chip and your PC configuration and
software.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (MARK LAFONTAINE)
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Subject: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs.
Date: 22 Mar 95 10:58:22 -0500
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Greetings Kermit Gurus,

    I work at a bilingual university that supports both french and english
computing. We need to transfer files to and from our VAXes through C-Kermit that
contain accented french characters. Below is the routine we have to go through
in order to transfer a file from the PC to the VAX using AUTORECEIVE from the
C-Kermit prompt. The file is transferred successfully with french characters
intact. If we try to AUTOSEND the same file from VAX to PC the french
characters do not transfer properly. Are there any SET parameters that have to
be changed in order to do the AUTOSEND of french characters?

    We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit
version 3.13 for IBM.

Our routine was:

    - log into the VAX

    - Type CKERMIT from $ prompt
      At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic
                                Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO

      <ALT>-X (to get to MS-Kermit)

    - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic
                              Set file character CP865
                              C (to reconnect to C-Kermit)

    - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE   filename


    This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to
the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC.

    Thanks for any help in this matter.


Mark Lafontaine
Laurentian University Computer Services
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada

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From: [e-mail] (Larry Reister)
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Subject: Looking for IBM-PC Kermit v3.01
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Luke,
I sent a note to watsun.cc.columbia.edu,asking for information on getting
Kermit software.He gave me information on how to order "Using MS-DOS
KERMIT",for $36.95,and a copy of MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 came with it.Try a note to
Watson.

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From: [e-mail] (Cheryl L. Southard)
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Subject: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server
Date: 24 Mar 1995 23:36:50 GMT
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Hi All,

Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1,
and my terminal server.  When using this setup on the remote "server" side,
kermit only works around 70% of the time.  The other 30%, we get massive
amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through.
This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that
dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS.

THIS doesn't work 30%
(PC or MAC)  <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1)

I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes.  We can use
the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun SPARCstations.
We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the terminal servers,
then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1, and then kermit
will work.

THIS ALWAYS works
(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1)

Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a
WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem.

Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this
fixes the problem. i.e.
(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1)

I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried
compiling it myself.

Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try?

I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064.  I verified
that         PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF,
and that     MAXBUF > 2064,
and that     VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000
and that    BIOLM > 20
and that     BYTLM > 8192

info:
    C-Kermit 5A (190)
    OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600
    Equinox ELG48 terminal server

Thanks,

Cheryl Southard
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (John Meyer)
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Subject: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75
Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:17:17 GMT
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Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried
version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer
version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to
an ftp site.

Thanks a lot in advance.

-M


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing
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Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has
been significantly altered as of Beta.04.  A description of the changes
is listed below.  All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and
return feedback to [e-mail].

C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from

    kermit.columbia.edu  /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip

Or from the Web at

    http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html

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C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }.
This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue
to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received.

As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has
appeared to be a bit outdated.  What was once a nice way of preventing the
screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something
from the past has itself become a serious nuisance.

Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by
SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }.

In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host
while viewing the scrollback buffer.  The only question is where do you
want new data from the host to be placed.  In INSERT mode, the data will be
placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback
buffer at all.

In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the
scrollback buffer.  Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do.

In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps
to ROLL-MODE INSERT.

The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail]
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Subject: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2
Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:20:40 GMT
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I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse
text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be
missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks

David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831
       finger [e-mail] for information


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From: [e-mail] (Dick Wisan)
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I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually
send.  In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev
and \KdecNext do.  I understand the effects they produce, but what
are the bytes/characters they send over the line?

Or is this a State Secret?

--
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                    - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A.
                    - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax.

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dick Wisan) writes:
> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually
> send.  In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev
> and \KdecNext do.  I understand the effects they produce, but what
> are the bytes/characters they send over the line?
>
> Or is this a State Secret?
-----------
    Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory
kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2
Date: 25 Mar 1995 16:56:36 GMT
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In article <3l0978$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse
>text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be
>missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks
>
>David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831
>       finger [e-mail] for information
>


The first version of OS/2 C-Kermit to have mouse support was 5a(190).
This version required the user to SET TERMINAL MOUSE ON.

5a(191) has much more extensive support for the mouse than 5a(190).  In
addition to the ability to perform cursor  positioning and copy and
paste to the clipboard from within C-Kermit, 191 now allows you to
assign arbitary macros, Kverbs, and mouse specific actions to specific
combinations of SHIFT, CTRL, and ALT and CLICK, DOUBLE-CLICK and DRAG
events.

Mouse support is enabled by default in 5a(191).

for information on how to use Mouse support please read the CKERMIt.INF
file.  "Using the MOuse".

You can also type UPDATES MOUSE at the C-Kermit prompt.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Gary Schrock)
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In article <3l0ctq$[e-mail]>,
   [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:
>Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has
>been significantly altered as of Beta.04.  A description of the changes
>is listed below.  All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and
>return feedback to [e-mail].

A definite thanks from here.  The new behaviour is significantly more
intuitive.  Seems to be working great here.

Gary Schrock
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Randy D Anderson)
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Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command;
but how is it used?  Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type
one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then
return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?)  The 'ik0aux.cmd'
sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit,
but how?

The 'APC' command seems to talk to the remote MS-Kermit, but there
is no VM-specific info on practical usage (it's not in the HELPCMS
file.)



--
Randy Anderson
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Manassas, VA                                       - McDonald's employee

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From: [e-mail] ([e-mail])
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Hi Kermit Gurus
I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better
use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I
modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below.

SCSSYSTEMID=0        ! System ID for the CI
SCSNODE=""        ! System node name for CI
VAXCLUSTER=0
MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ =  2064      ! For  C-Kermit
MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD =  2064      ! For  C-Kermit
MIN_MAXBUF= 12000             ! For  C-Kermit

After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems
and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile:

PAGEFILE.SYS;2        40000/40000   26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW!
PAGEFILE.SYS;1        50000/50000   15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL
SWAPFILE.SYS;2        28500/28500   26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW!
SWAPFILE.SYS;1        36000/36000   15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL

My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually
crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ?

Any hints will be appreciated.       Tom


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In article <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus>, [e-mail] ([e-mail]) writes:
>
>
> Hi Kermit Gurus
> I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better
> use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I
> modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below.
>
> SCSSYSTEMID=0        ! System ID for the CI
> SCSNODE=""        ! System node name for CI
> VAXCLUSTER=0
> MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ =  2064      ! For  C-Kermit
> MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD =  2064      ! For  C-Kermit
> MIN_MAXBUF= 12000             ! For  C-Kermit
>
> After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems
> and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile:
>
> PAGEFILE.SYS;2        40000/40000   26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW!
> PAGEFILE.SYS;1        50000/50000   15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL
> SWAPFILE.SYS;2        28500/28500   26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW!
> SWAPFILE.SYS;1        36000/36000   15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL
>
> My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually
> crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ?
>
> Any hints will be appreciated.       Tom
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    Page and swap file sizes are from autogen, the sensing of system
usage over time. It's the item you answer YES to when @sys$system:shutdown-ing
the machine. Seven years is a long time between system tuning activites.
    Joe D.

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Folks:

On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that

several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical

limit for a compressed file:  SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp
file

in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!!  HyperAccess did it presumably

w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps.  Qmodem _with_

sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!!



What is going on here?  MS-Kermit can't do this!

Is this data valid?????



Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current
MS-Kermit?



PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows:

CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW



Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying

to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our

users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds.



Comments?????



Jim Green ............ [e-mail]

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In article <3l4q3p$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Green) writes:
>
> On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that
> several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical
> limit for a compressed file:  SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp
> file
> in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!!  HyperAccess did it presumably
> w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps.  Qmodem _with_
> sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!!
> What is going on here?  MS-Kermit can't do this!
>> Is this data valid?????
> Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current
> MS-Kermit?
> PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows:
> CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW
> Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying
> to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our
> users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds.
------------
    While I don't have the article the numbers do strongly suggest
playing with file compression, and only secondarily with protocols. Any
time you see "exceeded theoretical limits" you can be sure the wrong theory
is being applied, and that deductions cannot follow. Until you get the story
straightened out I suggest you let matters rest.
    Joe D.

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Subject: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems
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I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently
get connected at 28800 bps.  Both dialout and dialin were from
the same Linux notebook :-)  Call out on com2 and receive the call
on com1.

This is unscientific, but if logged in at the shell prompt things
looked nice -- i.e. the line didn't appear bursty.

I then started using kermit to transfer files.  The symptoms I saw
were like this.  For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously
work (and kermit would show ....).  Then there would be a LOOOONG
pause while nothing was going on.  Then again a burst of furious activity.
And so on.

The pauses served to clobber the effective transfer rates.  I did 25
tests. One session where the TX light appeared to never stop chugging
had me get binary compressed file transfer at 1991 cps (which is still
far below 2880 cps).  Other sessions did much worse.

Is there something about kermit that one can use to improve this?  My
kermrc is enclosed at EOF.  This was using 2k packets, the performance
with 1k packets was much worse.  Another kermitism I'm not able to solve
relates to packet size: when I say 2048 byte packets, he uses 1806 byte
packets.  He refuses to (say) use 4k byte packets.

Thanks,

        -ans.

set parity none
set file collision overwrite
set attributes off

set speed 38400
set flow-control rts/cts

set file type binary
set file names literal
set file display fullscreen

set window-size 5
set receive packet-length 2048
set send packet-length 2048
set block 3
set buffers 150000 150000
--
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Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay
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From: [e-mail] (Ajay Shah)
Subject: Help me mix expect and kermit?
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I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are
behaving strangely.

Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect?  As
long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly.
The moment I say connect things get hairy.

If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front,
I would love to hear from you.  I'm running expect on a Austin
486 notebook running linux.

Thanks,

        -ans.
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From [e-mail] Mon Mar 27 14:06:21 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs.
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In article <[e-mail]>,
MARK LAFONTAINE <[e-mail]> wrote
>We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit
>version 3.13 for IBM.
>
>    - Type CKERMIT from [VAX] $ prompt
>      At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic
>                                Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO
>      <ALT>-X (to get to MS-Kermit)
>    - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic
>                              Set file character CP865
>                              C (to reconnect to C-Kermit)
>    - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE   filename
>
>This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to
>the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC.
>
Of course it is not working.  The Cyrillic character sets do not contain
Roman letters with accents.  Cyrillic is used for Russian, Ukrainian,
Belorussian, etc.

Also, I sincerely doubt that you would be using *any* code page on the
VAX.

I think that what you really want to do, as is explained thoroughly in
both "Using C-Kermit" and "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (and its French edition,
"Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi"), is:

VAX:
  set transfer char latin1
  set file char latin1 ; or dec-multinational

PC:
  set transfer char latin1
  set file char cp850 ; or cp863

CP850 is the IBM "Multilingual" code page.  CP863 is the Canadian French
code page.

- Frank

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Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in
a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and
it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I
tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings.

Robert Rodriguez


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server
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In article <3kvl2i$[e-mail]>,
Cheryl L. Southard <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1,
>and my terminal server.  When using this setup on the remote "server" side,
>kermit only works around 70% of the time.  The other 30%, we get massive
>amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through.
>This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that
>dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS.
>
>THIS doesn't work 30%
>(PC or MAC)  <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1)
>
>I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes.  We can use
>the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun
>SPARCstations.  We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the
>terminal servers, then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1,
>and then kermit will work.
>
>THIS ALWAYS works
>(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1)
>
>Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a
>WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem.
>
>Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this
>fixes the problem. i.e.
>(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1)
>
>I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried
>compiling it myself.
>
>Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try?
>
>I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064.  I verified
>that         PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF,
>and that     MAXBUF > 2064,
>and that     VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000
>and that    BIOLM > 20
>and that     BYTLM > 8192
>
>info:
>    C-Kermit 5A (190)
>    OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600
>    Equinox ELG48 terminal server
>

An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases.  I know this is not
very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection
between the terminal server and VMS.  Presumably this is a TCP/IP
connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT.  My guess
would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind
of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to
dig into the terminal server's configuration.

There are a couple other possibilities, though.

First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command.  If it is set at NONE,
try XON/XOFF.  Or vice versa.  The workings of this command in VMS over
various connection types is somewhat mysterious.

Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed.  For
example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says
the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file
transfer.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75
Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:17:45 GMT
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In article <3l090t$[e-mail]>,
John Meyer <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried
>version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer
>version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to
>an ftp site.
>
The only Kermit program that we recommend and support for Windows is
MS-DOS Kermit.  Current version 3.14.

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further installation instructions.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Dick Wisan)
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Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Dick Wisan) writes:
>> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually
>> send.  In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev
>> and \KdecNext do.  I understand the effects they produce, but what
>> are the bytes/characters they send over the line?
>>
>> Or is this a State Secret?
> -----------
>     Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory
> kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
>     Joe D.

No.  The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and
what keys they're bound to.  They don't show what bytes the keys actually
send.

I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by
sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro.  This gets the effect of the
key verb \Kdecdo.  I have been unable to work out and I would like to
know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that
produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt.

I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence
of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed.  Is that assumption,
perhaps, wrong?

--
R. N. (Dick) Wisan  - Email: internet [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send?
Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:29:15 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Dick Wisan <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...
>I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by
>sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro.  This gets the effect of the
>key verb \Kdecdo.  I have been unable to work out and I would like to
>know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that
>produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt.
>
Some \Kverbs, such as the \Kdec... ones, send the escape sequences that are
THOROUGHLY DOCUMENTED in the manual.  Others, such as \Kupscrn and \Kdnscn
perform actions that are (thoroughly documented in the manual and are) local
to MS-DOS Kermit -- in other words, they don't send any characers.

- Frank
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: PCMag Comm Article
Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:44:51 GMT
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In article <3l4q3p$[e-mail]>,
Jim Green <[e-mail]> wrote:

>On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that several
>comm programs performed better than the the theoretical limit for a
>compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp file in 38sec; that
>is over 13kcps!!!  HyperAccess did it presumably w/o sliding windows in
>3:35, which amounts to 2326cps.  Qmodem _with_ sliding windows transfered
>at 3246cps!!!  What is going on here?  MS-Kermit can't do this!
>
It can't?

>Is this data valid?????
>
I don't have the PC Magazine issue handy, but you say it's a "500k .bmp"
file.  That must be a "Bitmap" file -- i.e. uncompressed screen rasters,
so naturally they get compressed by the modems' built-in data compression
feature -- V.42bis or whatever -- resulting in the high transfer rates.

Kermit would do just as well or better.  What's more, if you used Kermit
to transfer the SAME file through a pair of modems that did NOT do data
compression, Kermit would still get about the same data rate, whereas the
other would probably drop down to about 1600 cps.

>Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current MS-Kermit?
>
No.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems
Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:47:18 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ajay Shah <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently
>get connected at 28800 bps.  Both dialout and dialin were from
>the same Linux notebook :-)  Call out on com2 and receive the call
>on com1.
>...
>I then started using kermit to transfer files.  The symptoms I saw
>were like this.  For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously
>work (and kermit would show ....).  Then there would be a LOOOONG
>pause while nothing was going on.  Then again a burst of furious activity.
>And so on.
>
Why don't you try the same experiment between two different PCs?

That would rule out such things as interrupt conflicts, driver and
scheduler peculiarities, and so on.

- Frank
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: MSKermit under Warp
Date: 27 Mar 1995 16:43:20 GMT
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In article <3ksefm$[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in
>a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and
>it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I
>tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings.
>
>Robert Rodriguez
>
We would need more information to be able to help you.

What are you attempting to do.
At what point does it hang?

I have been using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 successfully under WARP for several months.
Without any problems other than those one woudl
expect from trying to run a timing sensitive DOS application
in a multi-tasking operating system.



Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Dick Wisan) writes:
> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
> writes:
>> In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> (Dick Wisan) writes:
>>> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually
>>> send.  In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev
>>> and \KdecNext do.  I understand the effects they produce, but what
>>> are the bytes/characters they send over the line?
>>>
>>> Or is this a State Secret?
>> -----------
>>     Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory
>> kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu.
>>     Joe D.
>
> No.  The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and
> what keys they're bound to.  They don't show what bytes the keys actually
> send.
>
> I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by
> sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro.  This gets the effect of the
> key verb \Kdecdo.  I have been unable to work out and I would like to
> know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that
> produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt.
>
> I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence
> of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed.  Is that assumption,
> perhaps, wrong?
---------------
    Ok, I'll spell it out for you. From my working copy of file msvibm.vt:

            (begin cutout)

Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit
environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively.
Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from
the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit
mode.  CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143.  Similarly, DCS is decimal 144
or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \.  APC is decimal 159 or ESC _.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys
Key        Verb    IBM    VT320/VT102 mode    VT52/H19 mode
            key    Cursor    Application    Cursor or Application

up        uparr    up    CSI A    SS3 A        ESC A
down        dnarr    down    CSI B    SS3 B        ESC B
right        rtarr    right    CSI C    SS3 C        ESC C
left        lfarr    left    CSI D    SS3 D        ESC D

Codes sent by DEC editing keys, not preassigned to keys.
Key        Verb        VT320 mode        VT102/VT52/H19 mode

Find        decFind        CSI 1 ~            these keys
Insert Here    decInsert    CSI 2 ~             send nothing
Remove        decRemove    CSI 3 ~
Select        decSelect    CSI 4 ~
Prev Screen    decPrev        CSI 5 ~
Next Screen    decNext        CSI 6 ~            ~ is ASCII chart 7/14

Codes sent by DEC Numeric Keypad
Key        Verb    IBM    ANSI VT320/VT102 mode    VT52/H19 mode
            key    Numeric    Application    Numeric    Application

PF1/HF7/Blue   Gold,pf1 F1    SS3 P    SS3 P        ESC P    ESC P
PF2/HF8/Red     pf2    F2    SS3 Q    SS3 Q        ESC Q    ESC Q
PF3/HF9/Grey    pf3    F3    SS3 R    SS3 R        ESC R    ESC R
PF4/HF1         pf4    F4    SS3 S    SS3 S        ESC S    ESC S
0        kp0    SF7    0    SS3 p        0    ESC ? p
1        kp1    SF3    1    SS3 q        1    ESC ? q
2        kp2    SF4    2    SS3 r        2    ESC ? r
3        kp3    SF5    3    SS3 s        3    ESC ? s
4        kp4    F9    4    SS3 t        4    ESC ? t
5        kp5    F10    5    SS3 u        5    ESC ? u
6        kp6    SF1    6    SS3 v        6    ESC ? v
7        kp7    F5    7    SS3 w        7    ESC ? w
8        kp8    F6    8    SS3 x        8    ESC ? x
9        kp9    F7    9    SS3 y        9    ESC ? y
comma (,)    kpcoma    SF2    ,    SS3 l        ,    ESC ? l
minus (-)    kpminus    F8    -    SS3 m        -    ESC ? m
period (.)    kpdot    SF8    .    SS3 n        .    ESC ? n
Enter        kpenter    SF6    CR or    SS3 M        CR or    ESC ? M
                CR LF    (newline on)    CR LF
 (SFn means hold down Shift key while pressing Function key n.)

Codes sent by DEC LK201 keyboard function keys, not preassigned to PC keys
Key name    Verb        VT320 mode        VT102/VT52/H19 mode

Hold Screen            nothing            nothing
Print Screen            nothing            nothing
Set-Up                nothing            nothing
F4                nothing            nothing
F5 (Break)            nothing            nothing
F6        decF6        CSI 17 ~        nothing
F7        decF7        CSI 18 ~        nothing
F8        decF8        CSI 19 ~        nothing
F9        decF9        CSI 20 ~        nothing
F10        decF10        CSI 21 ~        nothing
F11 (ESC)    decF11        CSI 23 ~        ESC
F12 (BS)    decF12        CSI 24 ~        BS
F13 (LF)    decF13        CSI 25 ~        LF
F14        decF14        CSI 26 ~        nothing
Help        decHelp        CSI 28 ~        nothing
Do        decDo        CSI 29 ~        nothing
F17        decF17        CSI 31 ~        nothing
F18        decF18        CSI 32 ~        nothing
F19        decF19        CSI 33 ~        nothing
F20        decF20        CSI 34 ~        nothing

Note: F6 - F20 are DEC "User Definable Keys" which means their output can be
redefined by the host (not by the terminal owner).  See below for method.

An often confusing item is knowing the mode of the auxillary keypad: numeric
or application.  Digital Equipment Corporation designed the terminal to change
modes only under command from the remote computer and not at all from the
keyboard.  So the startup state is numeric/cursor mode, and reception of
escape sequences "ESC [ ? 1 h" or "l" changes the mode.  Kermit verbs for the
keypad and cursor keys generate the correct escape sequences appropriate to
the current mode and terminal type.

A best attempt is made to safely test for the 101/102 key Enhanced keyboard
and use it if present.  If it is present then the keyboard translator
separates the individual arrow keys from those on the numeric keypad and also
separates the asterisk and forward slash keys on the keypad from those on the
regular typewriter keyboard.  These special Enhanced keyboard keys are
reported as scan codes with 4096 added to the base scan code.

 OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE:

 IBM key         IBM Verb      Action

 Keypad Del                    Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127
 Backspace (<-)                Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127  (BS is \8)
 Keypad -        MODELINE      Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is
                               enabled and not used by the host).
 Alt -           TERMTYPE      Toggle between text and Tek terminal types.
 Alt =           RESET         Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to
                               starting (setup) state.
 Alt b           BREAK         Send a BREAK signal
 Alt h           HELP          Show drop down help menu (detailed below)
 Alt s           STATUS        Show settings
 Alt x           EXIT          Exit Connect mode, back to Kermit prompt

 Home            HOMSCN        Roll screen up (text down) to beginning of
                                storage.
 End             ENDSCN        Roll screen down (text up) to end of storage.
 PgUp            UPSCN         Roll screen up (back, earlier) one screen.
 PgDn            DNSCN         Roll screen down (forward, later) one screen.
 Ctrl-PgUp       UPONE         Roll screen up one line.
 Ctrl-PdDn       DNONE         Roll screen down one line.

 Control-PrtSc   PRTSCN        Toggle  on/off copying of received text to
                               printer, "PRN" shows on far right of mode
                               line when activated.

 Control-End     DUMP          Dump image of screen to a disk file or device.
                               Default filename is KERMIT.SCN in the current
                               directory. Use command SET DUMP to change the
                               filename.  Screen images are appended to the
                               file, separated by formfeeds. Graphics screens
                   go to files TEKPLT<digit digit>.TIF.

 Shift-PrtSc     Standard DOS Print-screen, dump screen image to printer.

 unassigned      HOLDSCRN      DEC style Holdscreen, same as typing Control-S.

 ALT-n         NEXTSESSION   Change to next terminal session, only if using
                    Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack.

 ALT-z       NETHOLD       Place Network connections "on hold". This means
                    interrupt the normal PC to host connection and
                   invoke the external network control program
                   interface for session management. Works with
                   3Com(BAPI), Novell(NASI), UB-Net1, etc but not
                   with Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack.

 unassigned     RTONE        scroll screen right one column
 unassigned     RTPAGE        scroll screen right by 20 columns
 unassigned     LFONE        scroll screen left by one column
 unassigned     LFPAGE        scroll screen left by 20 columns

"Alt -" means hold down Alt and type minus on the upper key rank.  This
switches among the various kinds of emulation but does not change most
operating parameters of the emulator. Follow a new selection with ALT = (verb
RESET) to reset the emulator to the current type.

            (end of cutout)

    Here we see that not all keys create traffic to the remote host.
Upscn etc are local video manipulators only; the host hears nothing about
them. The DEC DO key is precisely defined above, and it isn't even close
to ESC O S.
        Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Heinz Sack)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit
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In article <3kidvd$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] says...
>
>Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where
can
>I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U
only
>holds the assembly version. Thanks
>
>--
>-------------------------------
>- Ivan Siew
>[e-mail]
>http://info.pitt.edu/~ihsst/

I am also very interested in the source code for a terminal emulation (VT
100 or better). I need it for special purposes to comunicate between VAX
and PC programms. If you get any Information, please contact me.

Thank's for all - Heinz Sack


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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Krug)
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Subject: help : server script
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Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this.

I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun
(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider,
invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to
my local session, and then...

I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it
doesn't.  It just seems to stop here.

At first I was looking for input, but then removed that,
and simply did a "pause 20" after my command to escape
back to the local kermit session.

Everything works fine up to this, but then I'm just left
there, in local kermit with a remote server session.

Any help?  Suggestions?  Tips?  (I can't find anything
to solve this in "Using C-Kermit.)

Thanks a lot,

Ben Krug
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: help : server script
Date: 28 Mar 1995 14:18:32 GMT
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In article <3l6mcp$[e-mail]>, Benjamin Krug <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this.
>
>I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun
>(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider,
>invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to
>my local session, and then...
>
>I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it
>doesn't.  It just seems to stop here.
>
The command would be "get readme.txt", not "output get readme.txt".

Your OUTPUT command makes it send the string "get readme.txt" to
the Kermit server, but:

 . The Kermit server is no longer in command mode.
 . Even if it were, you have omitted the trailing carriage return.
 . The GET command is given to the client, not to the server.

So nothing happens.

In general, a script program just contains the commands you would
type interactively, except it never CONNECTs or "escapes back".

Instead, everything that you would type during CONNECT mode is sent
to the remote host or service with OUTPUT commands.  Carriage
returns and other control characters must be included explicitly, as
in "output help\13".  And everything you read with your eyes is read
by Kermit using INPUT commands.  And every time you have to pause in
real life, you put in a PAUSE command.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (John Chandler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers
Date: 28 Mar 1995 17:23:26 GMT
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In article <3kn9k7$[e-mail]>,
Randy D Anderson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command;
>but how is it used?

Perhaps paradoxically, the primary documentation for the APC subcommand
lies at the other end -- all the mainframe Kermit does is pass the
command string along for execution to the other Kermit, so the syntax
checking is done remotely.

>  Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type
>one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then
>return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?)  The 'ik0aux.cmd'
>sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit,
>but how?

The EXEC's in that file are ordinary CMS EXEC's.  No more, no less.
They are executed from within Kermit the same as any other CMS command.
See the CMS Kermit user's guide (it's free!), particularly the sections
on EXEC operation and the SET SYSCMD subcommand.

                    John

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From: Richard Aleksandr <[e-mail]>
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Subject: SCO Unix kermit problems
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Hi Folks,

I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct
serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and
speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost
immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then
'(back at localhostname)'

I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more
information on why I can't connect. Is there a verbose mode? Perm-
missions on /dev/tty1a are wide open. I can connect as a remote
terminal from DOS using Procomm Plus so I know the line is o.k.

Help!

Thanks very much,

Richard



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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help me mix expect and kermit?
Date: 27 Mar 1995 22:37:52 -0600
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ajay Shah <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are
>behaving strangely.
>
>Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect?  As
>long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly.
>The moment I say connect things get hairy.
>
>If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front,
>I would love to hear from you.  I'm running expect on a Austin
>486 notebook running linux.

What do you need to do that you can't automate with kermit's own
scripting?  I've been so perverse as to use kermit with a loopback
telnet connection to automate things on the local host that need
a pty instead of using expect.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Leslie Mikesell)
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Subject: Re: help : server script
Date: 27 Mar 1995 22:40:03 -0600
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In article <3l6mcp$[e-mail]>, Benjamin Krug <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this.
>
>I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun
>(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider,
>invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to
>my local session, and then...
>
>I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it
>doesn't.  It just seems to stop here.

You don't say "output get ..." when the other end is in server mode
you just say "get ..." to your end and it automatically tells the
server what you want.

Les Mikesell
  [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: SCO Unix kermit problems
Date: 29 Mar 1995 16:21:30 GMT
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In article <3l737u$[e-mail]>,
Richard Aleksandr  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct
>serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and
>speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost
>immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then
>'(back at localhostname)'
>
>I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more
>information on why I can't connect.
>
Try "show communications" or "show modem".  It will probably tell
you that the Carrier-Detect (CD) signal is off.  The underlying
device driver normally wants it to be on in order to communicate.

Solution: tell C-Kermit to "set carrier off", meaning: don't require
carrier.  If that doesn't do it, see Chapter 3 of "Using C-Kermit",
especially the section on direct serial connections.  If that still
doesn't do it, get back to me with more details.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail]   (Takahiro Hiroi)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing
Date: 29 Mar 1995 01:22:11 GMT
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In <3l0ctq$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman) writes:
>Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has
>been significantly altered as of Beta.04.  A description of the changes
>is listed below.  All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and
>return feedback to [e-mail].
>
>C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from
>
>    kermit.columbia.edu  /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip
>
>Or from the Web at
>
>    http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }.
>This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue
>to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received.
>
>As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has
>appeared to be a bit outdated.  What was once a nice way of preventing the
>screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something
>from the past has itself become a serious nuisance.
>
>Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by
>SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }.
>
>In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host
>while viewing the scrollback buffer.  The only question is where do you
>want new data from the host to be placed.  In INSERT mode, the data will be
>placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback
>buffer at all.
>
>In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the
>scrollback buffer.  Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do.
>
>In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps
>to ROLL-MODE INSERT.
>
>The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF.
>
>Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
>"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
>"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
>  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

I tried.  VT220 didn't work properly.  It is amazing that such a popular emulation
has a bug.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3laco3$[e-mail]>,
Takahiro Hiroi <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I tried.  VT220 didn't work properly.  It is amazing that such a popular
>emulation has a bug.
>
If you have found a bug in Beta Test software, why don't you report
it directly to the developers.  That is what beta tests are for.

Use e-mail, not netnews, which gets send to millions of computers all
over the world, at considerable cost.  The address for reporting bugs
is:

  [e-mail]

Please be specific.  Exactly what does not work?  And did you consult
the documentation first?

- Frank

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         [Much deleted about features of new OS/2 Kermit beta from
          kermit.columbai.edu]

In <3laco3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail]   (Takahiro Hiroi) writes:
>I tried.  VT220 didn't work properly.  It is amazing that such a popular emulation
>has a bug.

First off, send mail directly to [e-mail].  His
news feed suffers from the time lag from hell.

Second, saying WHAT VT220 emulation error while talking to what platform
would be useful.  There is no way to fix the problem, or even determine
it exists, from the above description.


Drew Derbyshire
Internet:       [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Cheryl L. Southard)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server
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In article <3l6h76$[e-mail]>,
Frank da Cruz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases.  I know this is not
>very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection
>between the terminal server and VMS.  Presumably this is a TCP/IP
>connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT.  My guess
>would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind
>of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to
>dig into the terminal server's configuration.
>
>There are a couple other possibilities, though.
>
>First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command.  If it is set at NONE,
>try XON/XOFF.  Or vice versa.  The workings of this command in VMS over
>various connection types is somewhat mysterious.
>
>Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed.  For
>example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says
>the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file
>transfer.
>
>- Frank

Well, neither the "set flow" command or the "sho terminal" stuff fixed the
problem.  The problem was solved, however, by upgrading my terminal server
software.

Here's the details on the terminal server:
Equinox PBX with ELG 48 card
The software on the ELG 48 card WAS at V2.30.
Upgrading the ELG 48 card to V2.33 fixes the problem.

Thanks for the help,

Cheryl


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Hi Kermit wizards,

    I am a new user to kermit and have three questions:

1.  How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered
whenever I use the UNIX "more" command?

2.  How can I get kermit to take advantage of the data compression
ability the box says it has?
   I have a 2400 baud modem;  I have tried SET SPEED 4800 or more,
but the modem refuses to respond. . . It does not give me an "OK"
after the AT command.

3.  How can I improve my file transmission rate?
    As I transfer binary gzipped files:
    -   When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 800 (on my PC) the transmission
works kinda OK
       (but only 71% efficiency -- Is this normal?)
    -   When I SET RECE PACKET 2000 the packet size fluctuates as
as the file is transmitted, and efficiency drops to 30%
    - When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 3000 or above, the transmission does
not work, it quits after "Too many retries."

Background:  MS-Kermit 3.14, Zoom faxmodem 2400
             C-Kermit 5a(188) Dec OSF/1 1.0

Thank you very much for help.

Ken Takusagawa
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (William and Alice Englander)
Subject: Looking for C-Kermit 5A HPUX binary
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Hello -

Is the binary available for C-Kermit 5A for HPUX (HP9000/857)?

C-Kermit 4E came with our system, but I'd like to use some of the
newer features.  I understand that the source is available, but
I'm not well enough versed in C, etc. to know what to do with it.
Also, we just have the C compiler that came with the system, not
the ANSI one.

We'd be happy to pay for it if there's a charge.  Thanks for your
help!

Bill
--

    William and Alice Englander
    [e-mail]



From [e-mail] Wed Mar 29 22:43:47 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Ralf E. Stranzenbach)
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Subject: PUT returns "illegal" SUCCESS
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Hi,

i've done a s mple kermit script that does a "put" to transfer some
data files between two systems. But unluckily the PUT command returns
SUCCESS even if the other side's servers decides to discard the file
(set file collision discard).

How can i decide if kermit has really successfully completed the
transmisson?

A second (minor) problem. "BYE" and "FINISH" do return FAILURE even if
they've worked perfectly well.

My logout script looks like
    finish
    xif failure { -
      finish, -
      if failure finish -
    }

This works, but needs a loooooong time to complete.

    - ralf

--
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: script and automatic learning
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In article <JOSEF.95Mar29134858@ltssun1>, josef@ltssun1 (Josef Bigun) writes:
> I wonder if it is possible to prepare a
> script file automatically by letting
> kermit watch your actions?
>
> Alternatively, is there a way to mark
> automaticaly what one types in when
> connected to a remote host? When I log
> the session to a file, it does record everything but
> there is no way to know what has been produced by me,
> so that I can use this information, say in an emacs macro,
> to prepare a script file. I use c-kermit 5A.
-----------
    No, there isn't. Such utilities capture raw keystrokes, down
below DOS and the BIOS on DOS machines, don't even dream of this on
non-DOS machines, and stuff them into a file. Clever, and sometimes
useful. The recommended drill is to log a session, then write a short
script based upon the observed dialogue.
    Joe D.

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Subject: Kermit freezes (help!)
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Hi,
I've been using the latest version of ms-kermit on my PC to connect
to a remote (unix) system. I run Kermit via a .pif file from
Windows 3.1 (on a 486 PC). I have an USR Sportster 14400 int. modem.

In general I have no trouble connecting and once the
connection is running it is extremely reliable, however about
one time out of ten I run kermit, dial up the remote system, a
connection is established but the welcome message from the
remote system just _stops_ part way through.

When this happens I can't type anything in the terminal window
and I can still hear modem data if I pick the phone up. I can
give the hangup command from the kermit prompt and that works
ok, but I still cant get the modem to respond if I go back to
the terminal screen. If I quit kermit and start it again the
problem usually remains (and kermit often tells me it can't
verify the port). The only solution seems to be to quit and
restart Windows.

Since the problem is a bit sporadic I haven't been able to work
out whats going on but its really starting to annoy me!
I'd be very grateful if anyone can offer any opinions/advice
on what the problem might be!

Thanks,
Ian.
[e-mail]

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Please don't laugh.  We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM.
DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K.  Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10,
MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone).  Now in this nifty little book it says
that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it
explain how this is accomplished.

Work has spent thousands already on their HP server (good support, but
they really need it -- quirky OS) and my "chalange" is to come up with
"miracle" solutions at "K-Mart" prices.

Ugh.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
--
Andrew Joesph Esposito
Systems Administrator
Western Carolina Forklift Inc.
voice: [phone]
fax:   [phone]


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit in limited memory environment?
Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:28:43 GMT
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In article <3l9v34$[e-mail]>,
Andrew J. Esposito <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Please don't laugh.  We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM.
>DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K.  Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10,
>MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone).  Now in this nifty little book it says
>that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it
>explain how this is accomplished.
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes in a special "medium" edition for small systems.
The small size is accomplished by removing the network support and the
graphics terminal emulation.  On its own -- i.e. without a lot of macros
defined and screen rollback buffers allocated (hint hint) it occupies
about 200K of memory, give or take 5K -- so you might be able to squeeze
it in.

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further installation instructions.

The program you want to try is KERMITE.EXE (not KERMIT.EXE).
You might need to run it without the standard MSKERMIT.INI file,
which defines a bunch of macros, which add memory:

  kermite -f nul

and you might also need to set the KERMIT environment variable to
disable rollback:

  SET KERMIT=ROLLBACK 0

If it's still too big, we can probably dig up an old pre-3.0
version that would fit.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Clobbering the Last Line
Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:43:46 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ken T. Takusagawa <[e-mail]> wrote:
>1.  How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered
>whenever I use the UNIX "more" command?
>
By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size.
By default, both are 24 and everything works right.  If you are using
some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to:

  `eval resize`

>2.  How can I get kermit to take advantage of the data compression
>ability the box says it has?
>   I have a 2400 baud modem;  I have tried SET SPEED 4800 or more,
>but the modem refuses to respond. . . It does not give me an "OK"
>after the AT command.
>
Use the high-speed modem dialing script appropriate to your modem.
It will enable data compression, error correction, speed matching,
and RTS/CTS flow control.

>3.  How can I improve my file transmission rate?
>
Read our FAQ.  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory
kermit, file faq.txt.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Looking for C-Kermit 5A HPUX binary
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In article <[e-mail]>,
William and Alice Englander <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is the binary available for C-Kermit 5A for HPUX (HP9000/857)?
>
No.  We have one for the model 700.  If somebody wants to send in
one for the 800, let me know.

>C-Kermit 4E came with our system, but I'd like to use some of the
>newer features.  I understand that the source is available, but
>I'm not well enough versed in C, etc. to know what to do with it.
>Also, we just have the C compiler that came with the system, not
>the ANSI one.
>
You don't need to know C to build C-Kermit.

anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives,
binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip).  Uncompress,
untar, and then:

  make hpux90

(assuming you are running HP-UX 9-point-something) which should
produce an executable called "wermit".  Try it out and if it's OK,
install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as
/usr/local/bin.  Read the ckuins.doc file for additional
installation instructions.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: PUT returns "illegal" SUCCESS
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Ralf E. Stranzenbach <[e-mail]> wrote:
>i've done a s mple kermit script that does a "put" to transfer some
>data files between two systems. But unluckily the PUT command returns
>SUCCESS even if the other side's servers decides to discard the file
>(set file collision discard).
>
This should have been fixed in version 5A(190).

>A second (minor) problem. "BYE" and "FINISH" do return FAILURE even if
>they've worked perfectly well.
>
It doesn't happen here, at least not with version 5A(190).

Please try the current version.  If you still have these problems,
send email to [e-mail].

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit freezes (help!)
Date: 30 Mar 1995 15:05:15 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>, Ian Craddock <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've been using the latest version of ms-kermit on my PC to connect
>to a remote (unix) system. I run Kermit via a .pif file from
>Windows 3.1 (on a 486 PC). I have an USR Sportster 14400 int. modem.
>In general I have no trouble connecting and once the
>connection is running it is extremely reliable, however about
>one time out of ten I run kermit, dial up the remote system, a
>connection is established but the welcome message from the
>remote system just _stops_ part way through.
>
It's next to impossible to diagnose problems like this from afar, but
the most likely cause is something to do with interrupts:

 . Two devices are using the same interrupt
 . Some software besides Kermit is catching the same interrupt
 . Spurious interrupts are being generated by a flaky device

Another likely cause is a buggy modem or motherboard.  Internal modems
almost always spell trouble.

Another likely cause is your Windows configuration -- COM port definitions,
memory management, etc etc.

Read all of the hints in your KERMIT.BWR file, particularly section 6.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Mallett)
Subject: How to disable C-Kermit CLI
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I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix
restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all
direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded
by way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows:

  set s [system $kermit $flag -y /vol/local/chat/kermrc -C "\"pcsend $source $target, quit\""]

and

   set s [system $kermit $flag -y /vol/local/chat/kermrc -C 'pcget $tempname $target, quit']

This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can escape
to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload operation.
At that point they can browse rthe system and perform other operations that
I do not want them to be able to do. Fortunately, we had taken other measures
to prevent users from spawning a shell, so overall system security has not yet
been compromised.

The question is this. How do I prevent the users from reaching the `C-Kermit>'
prompt. I tried compiling with KFLAGS=-DNOICP, but got the following


gcc  -o wermit ckcmai.o ckutio.o \
        ckufio.o ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o \
        ckuxla.o ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o \
        ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o \
        ckuus7.o ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o \
        ckucon.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o -lcurses -ltermcap
ld: Undefined symbol
   _gettcs
collect: ld returned 2 exit status
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `wermit'
Current working directory /vol/local/kermit-5A-190/src
*** Error code 1
make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `sunos41gcc'


I did a `make clean' ahead of time so I'm guessing that no-one in the
Unix world has bothered trying this option. Even if I solve this problem,
I kind of suspect that it won't work as expected since the `-C whatever'
command probably needs the command line interpreter. Is there another
compilation flag that will give me the result I want.

BTW: I'm running kermit-5A-190 under SunOS4.1.3 and using gcc-2-4-5 for
compilartion.

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Rick Mallett
Carleton University

Email address: [e-mail]
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I wonder if it is possible to prepare a
script file automatically by letting
kermit watch your actions?

Alternatively, is there a way to mark
automaticaly what one types in when
connected to a remote host? When I log
the session to a file, it does record everything but
there is no way to know what has been produced by me,
so that I can use this information, say in an emacs macro,
to prepare a script file. I use c-kermit 5A.



Thanks




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I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also
intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters.

Thanks a lot in advance

Anja



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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Rick Mallett <[e-mail]> wrote:

: I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix
: restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all
: direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by
: way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows:
:  ...
: This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can
: escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload
: operation.
: ...
: The question is this. How do I prevent the users from reaching the
: `C-Kermit>' prompt. I tried compiling with KFLAGS=-DNOICP, but got the
: following:
:
: ld: Undefined symbol
:    _gettcs
:
That would be a bug -- I'll fix it.

: I did a `make clean' ahead of time so I'm guessing that no-one in the
: Unix world has bothered trying this option. Even if I solve this
: problem, I kind of suspect that it won't work as expected since the `-C
: whatever' command probably needs the command line interpreter.
:
That's correct.

: Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want.
:
Try -DNOPUSH.  This should prevent any type of shell access from the
C-Kermit prompt.  Or try -DNOCTRLC.  This should make Ctrl-C (SIGINT)
exit the program rather than returning to the prompt.

Read about them in ckccfg.doc.

- Frank

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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also
>intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters.
>
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does all of this.  It has a built-in TCP/IP stack that
works in Windows over packet drivers, and it supports display of Finnish
text during terminal emulation when the host is using the 7-bit Finnish
ISO 646 character set, or 8-bit ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1, or any of about
a dozen proprietary character sets.  Furthermore, it also converts the
special characters of Finnish (and many other languages) between the host
character-set and your IBM PC code page as part of text file transfer.
Read Chapter 13, International Character Sets, of the manual, "Using MS-DOS
Kermit" for complete details.

  Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu,
  directory kermit/archives,
  binary mode,
  file msvibm.zip.

If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.

Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure.  Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further installation instructions.

For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please
purchase the manual:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.  Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the
  IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette.

  US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available.  Available
  in computer bookstores or directly from:

    Kermit Development and Distribution
    Columbia University Academic Information Systems
    612 West 115th Street
    New York, NY  10025  USA
    Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703

  Domestic and overseas orders accepted.  Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and
  Mexico), $47 elsewhere.  Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or
  prepaid by check in US dollars.  Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn
  on a US bank.  Price includes shipping.  Do not include sales tax.

  You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press /
  Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express:

    [phone] (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada)
    [phone] (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
    [phone]   (Rushden, England office for Europe)
    [phone]  (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
    [phone]    (Singapore office for Asia)

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Peter Renzland)
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Subject: Trivial login script fails -- help
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...
input 20 login:
output peter\13
input 10 sword
output xyzzy\13
...

I see the login prompt, then the script says "peter",
then _nothing_ (the script swallows the Password: prompt)

Then the script times out, sends the password, and *now* I see
the Pasword: prompt.


MS Kermit 3.14 PL 3
SCO UNIX

Oh, this works fine on a Sun (Solaris 2.4)

Thanks for any help ....


--
Peter Renzland  [e-mail]  416 323-1300  Je danse donc je suis  EntP
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Trivial login script fails -- help
Date: 31 Mar 1995 17:26:20 GMT
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In article <3ld1rm$[e-mail]>,
Peter Renzland <[e-mail]> wrote:
>...
>input 20 login:
>output peter\13
>input 10 sword
>output xyzzy\13
>...
>
>I see the login prompt, then the script says "peter",
>then _nothing_ (the script swallows the Password: prompt)
>
Try doing it like this:

input 20 {login: }
if fail stop 1 No login prompt
output peter\13
input 10 {Password: }
if fail stop 1 No Password prompt
pause 1
output xyzzy\13

It's always good to have error handling.  The other change is to
INPUT the *entire* prompt.  UNIX login does not permit typeahead, and
it is likely that your script started sending the password too soon.
(The "pause 1" might not be necessary, but better safe than sorry.)

- Frank

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looking for kermit protocol for the macintosh


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From: [e-mail] (Peter Renzland)
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Subject: MS KERMIT as host?  with password?
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O.K.  I have both editions of Using MS DOS Kermit.
set server login USERNAME PASSWORD
server

should work, right?

but when i call from a Unix host i don't get any indication that
a username and pasword is required.  i just can't get anywhere.

works without security.  (i.e. if i leave out the first line above)


should it work?  (i.e. is it implemented in msdos kermit?)
and from which ckermit version on?  thanks.

--
Peter

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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also
> intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters.
-----------
    You have it. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. It runs fine in Windows, has
it's own internal TCP/IP stack, does all but Norse glyphs. It's a DOS
program with Windows-smarts.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi)
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Is anyone using this feature in the new 191 beta release yet?
I would like to se an example-script if you have one.

//thanks in advance!
Markus


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From: [e-mail] (Kyler Laird)
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>Is anyone using this feature in the new 191 beta release yet?
>I would like to se an example-script if you have one.

------

; PUCC_SLIP.KRM
; Use this script to SL/IP into PUCC from OS/2 Warp
;    using C-Kermit 5A(191)

;--------------------
;variable definitions
;--------------------

;serial port number
def \%o 1

;machine name
;def \%m coastal.ecn.purdue.edu
def \%m nettle.ecn.purdue.edu

;machine address (use "tia -address" to find out)
;def \%a 128.46.161.160
def \%a 128.46.161.85

;login
def \%l laird

;password
def \%p secret

;shell prompt
def \%r %

;---------------------------------

;set to bogus line so that SLIP.EXE can start
set line com0

;start SLIP.EXE
!start "SL/IP into PUCC" /n /min slip -com\%o -ifconfig 192.0.2.1 \%a +defaultroute -p2 -rtscts

;wait for SL/IP connection to initialize
!slipwait

;"share" port with SLIP.EXE
set line slipcom\%o

set speed 57600

;call PUCC
:DIAL

dial 496-1440
if error goto DIAL

;get initial prompt
output \013
input 5 username>
if error goto DIAL

;send bogus userid 'cause it doesn't matter
output os2user\013

;get annex prompt
input 10 >
if error goto DIAL

;telnet to machine
output telnet \%m\013

;perform login sequence
unixlogin \%l \%p \%r
if error goto DIAL

;output BREAK to get back to annex prompt
output \b

;get annex prompt
input 5 >
if error goto DIAL

;get a clean connection
output set session passall\013

;get annex prompt
input 5 >
if error goto DIAL

;return to telnet session
output fg\013

;get another shell prompt
output \013
input 5 \%r
if error goto DIAL

;turn off messages and start TIA
output mesg n;tia\013

;get TIA acknowledgement
input 10 eady
if error goto DIAL

;release shared serial port by setting to bogus port
set line com0

;*Note that you could just put "quit" here.
; The SL/IP stuff is all going on in another session.
; The following is just because I usually want to run
;    telnet.

; You could also add lines like
;!start EXPLORE.EXE
;     so that TCP/IP applications (like Web Explorer) will
;     automatically start after connection.

;connect to machine via TCP/IP (telnet)
net tcp/ip \%m

;login to machine (again)
unixlogin \%l \%p \%r

;present terminal emulation screen
connect


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joe Doupnik <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In article <[e-mail]>,
>[e-mail] writes:
>> I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also
>> intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters.
>-----------
>You have it. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. It runs fine in Windows, has
>it's own internal TCP/IP stack, does all but Norse glyphs.
>                                         ^^^
Oops, I think Joe meant "does all Norse glyphs" -- all the accented Roman
letters, plus Thorn and Eth for Iceland(*) (and Old Norse).  We had Thorn
in Old and Middle English too, as anyone who ever had to read "Sir Gawain
and the Green Knight" in the original will attest.

Kermit does not, however, as yet handle Runes, but I am pleased to announce
that a computer encoding for the Futhark has been developed and as soon as
somebody makes a code page (or PC font) for it, Kermit will be ready :-)

OK, so it's April 1st and you think I'm kidding?  Point your Web browser
at URL:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/runes.html

- Frank

(*) Disclaimer: Iceland does not consider itself part of Scandinavia.

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May be Columbia U. should sue these publications for misrepresentation.
here are examples: published in "net.speak" (Hayden Books), 1994
author: Tom Fahey, ISBN: 1-56830-095-6

    Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol
             developed at Columbia University. Kermit is the slowest
             file transfer protocol, but useful when sending 7-bit
             characters. (Naturally, despite its lackluster transfer
             speed--or perhaps because of it--Kermit is a favorite
             of many educational institutions. Its status as freeware
             has also endeared it to thrifty educators everywhere.)
             Yes, it's named in honor of Sesame Street's Kermit the
             Frog.

    ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. ZMODEM
             recovers from transmission errors more effectively than
             the other popular protocols. In addition because ZMODEM
             operates in batch mode, you can download or upload several
             several files at a time. Finally, if a transmission is
             inerrupted halfway during a file transfer, you can log
             and pick up the file transfer where it was cut off, only
             downloading the "last" half. With other protocols, an
             interruption means downloading the entire file again.

   I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user
   community.

   Serge
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From: [e-mail] (Milton A. Baucom)
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Subject: Getting result code from external command?
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In Kermit 5A(190), how do I test the return code of an external command?
i.e.  If I shell out to execute some script, I'd like to be able to see if
it worked and send some sort of message...

Thanks
MAB

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From: [e-mail] (Manindar Uppal SH37 9612)
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Can anyone direct me to a kermit FAQ ?

TIA.

    M.Uppal

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when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more
than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's
how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ?
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Subject: Re: kermit in limited memory environment?
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In article <3l9v34$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Andrew J. Esposito) writes:
> Please don't laugh.  We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM.
> DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K.  Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10,
> MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone).  Now in this nifty little book it says
> that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it
> explain how this is accomplished.
>
> Work has spent thousands already on their HP server (good support, but
> they really need it -- quirky OS) and my "chalange" is to come up with
> "miracle" solutions at "K-Mart" prices.
>
> Ugh.
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.
> --
> Andrew Joesph Esposito
> Systems Administrator
> Western Carolina Forklift Inc.
> voice: [phone]
> fax:   [phone]
---------------
    Programs invariably grow larger with time, some spectacularly so,
alas. MS-DOS Kermit is no exception to the rule but not to the second part.
Depending on your needs version 3.14 is offered in three sizes: regular full
featured, medium-sized MSK which removes TCP/IP and other networking support
and graphics, and BBS sized MSK Lite. The last also omits terminal emulation
and is a file mover rather than that plus terminal emulation.
    I suspect the medium size might be a good choice since the XT's
likely have no networking.
    Please do inspect these variations for the best match at your site.
Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin, binary file msvibm.zip
has them all.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ?
Date: 2 Apr 1995 12:48:04 GMT
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In article <3lk8f2$[e-mail]>,
byteshifter <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more
>than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's
>how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ?

In C-Kermit the command is SET FILENAME LITERAL.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
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  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit FAQ ?
Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:29:58 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Manindar Uppal SH37 9612 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can anyone direct me to a kermit FAQ ?
>
ftp: host kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file faq.txt

Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/, then go to "Further information".

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ?
Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:31:39 GMT
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In article <3lk8f2$[e-mail]>,
byteshifter <[e-mail]> wrote:
:when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more
:than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's
:how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ?
:
SET FILE NAMES LITERAL

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Getting result code from external command?
Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:35:24 GMT
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In article <3lkn74$[e-mail]>,
Milton A. Baucom <[e-mail]> wrote:
>In Kermit 5A(190), how do I test the return code of an external command?
>i.e.  If I shell out to execute some script, I'd like to be able to see if
>it worked and send some sort of message...
>
This does not work in version 5A(190) and earlier.  This feature will be
added to the next release.

- Frank
x
x

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS KERMIT as host?  with password?
Date: 2 Apr 1995 20:44:36 GMT
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In article <3lhkc9$[e-mail]>,
Peter Renzland <[e-mail]> wrote:
>O.K.  I have both editions of Using MS DOS Kermit.
>set server login USERNAME PASSWORD
>server
>
>should work, right?
>
Yes, and it does.

>but when i call from a Unix host i don't get any indication that
>a username and pasword is required.  i just can't get anywhere.
>
Using the current versions of MS-DOS Kermit -- 3.14 -- and
UNIX C-Kermit -- 5A(190) -- everything works as advertised, and
I'm pretty sure this is also true of earlier versions.  Tell
MS-DOS Kermit to:

  set server login USERNAME PASSWORD
  server

(as you did) and then if you send any commands to it from the UNIX
C-Kermit client without logging in first, it sends back a message
saying "REMOTE LOGIN is required".  Then if you tell the C-Kermit
client to:

  remote login USERNAME PASSWORD

MS-DOS Kermit sends back a message saying "Kermit-MS Server ready",
and then accepts REMOTE, SEND, GET, FINISH, etc, commands if they have
not been DISABLE'd.

- Frank

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Has anyone written a macro which will capture on screen text, to a file,
without ESCape sequences. Invoked by pressing a key combination (eg Alt+C)
you get PROMPTED for a file name, which you can then type. Alternatively
you can be GIVEN a default name which can be edited.

I'm not even sure if this is possible using MS-Kermit. I think I have
managed to getthis to work for a default filename. BUT I can't get user
imput to change this.
Mike
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Capture macro
Date: 2 Apr 1995 23:28:11 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Michael Bernardi <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Has anyone written a macro which will capture on screen text, to a file,
>without ESCape sequences. Invoked by pressing a key combination (eg Alt+C)
>you get PROMPTED for a file name, which you can then type. Alternatively
>you can be GIVEN a default name which can be edited.
>
>I'm not even sure if this is possible using MS-Kermit. I think I have
>managed to getthis to work for a default filename. BUT I can't get user
>imput to change this.
>
The screen is dumped to a file using the \Kdump verb.  This copies the
on-screen text (without highlighting, colors, etc) to a plain-text file.  No
escape sequences.  The default file is KERMIT.SCN in the current directory.
If it already exists it is appended to.  The \Kdump verb is assigned to
Ctrl-End by default, and you can move it around with SET KEY.  The screen-dump
file can be changed with SET DUMP.  This is all in the manual.

You want a "hot key" that prompts the user for a filename to save the
screen text to.  Well, we can write a macro to do this, and then assign it
to the desired key, along with the \Kdump verb.  First let's write the macro.

define getdumpfile echo SCREEN DUMP REQUESTED,-
  :loop,-
  ask \%9 {File to dump to: },-
  if not def \%9 goto loop,-
  if exist \%9 goto done,-
  open write \%9,-
  if success goto ok,-
  echo Error: \%9 can't be created,-
  goto loop,-
  :ok,-
  close write,-
  delete \%9,-
  :done,-
  set dump \%9,-
  connect

This macro not only prompts for the filename, but also checks whether the
named file can actually be used; if not it goes back and reprompts.

Now to assign the whole process to (say) Alt-C (Alt-Shift-C), do:

  set key \2862 {\{Kgetdumpfile}\{Kdump}}

(The arrangement of braces and slashes is a bit mysterious, but is documented
in the KERMIT.BWR file.)

Embellish or simplify as desired.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jose Leon Gonzalez Alvarez)
Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Help me mix expect and kermit?
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Ajay Shah ([e-mail]) wrote:
: I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are
: behaving strangely.

: Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect?  As
: long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly.
: The moment I say connect things get hairy.

: If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front,
: I would love to hear from you.  I'm running expect on a Austin
: 486 notebook running linux.

: Thanks,

:         -ans.
: --
: -------------------------
: Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay
: [e-mail]       (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah
: <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer.      Finger me for pgp public key

    Hi,

    I am using expect to operate a kermit connection and things go smoothly
to me. I have a HP workstation running HP-UX 9.0. Do you have kermit controlling
a modem line? That's what I have and most of my problems where related to the
"Hayes-controlled" setup of the modem.

        Best regards,

        Leon


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From [e-mail] Mon Apr  3 20:13:22 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Raul Deluth Miller)
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Subject: macros and wild cards (feature request)
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I've spent a lot of time and energy on using kermit as a reliable file
mover.  Typically, this boils down to sending a file and deleting it
after it's been successfully transfered.

What I originally wanted to be able to do was something like get * but
with a macro instead of get.

I think it would be very useful to be able to use implicit looping
over file names selected by a wild card pattern.  It would probably be
useful to factor this into two steps: gathering the names should
probably be a different step from the implicit looping.

[Right now, I do os specific things to build a kermit script then
execute it...]

Personally, I have no immediate need for this feature, but I suspect
it would make my life simpler next time around.

--
Raul D. Miller

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request)
Date: 3 Apr 1995 22:22:23 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Raul Deluth Miller <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I've spent a lot of time and energy on using kermit as a reliable file
>mover.  Typically, this boils down to sending a file and deleting it
>after it's been successfully transfered.
>
Future releases of Kermit will have a MOVE command that will do this.
In fact, the latest OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta edit has this feature,
but so far no other Kermit programs do.

>What I originally wanted to be able to do was something like get * but
>with a macro instead of get.
>
I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit
you were talking about.  MS-DOS Kermit?  C-Kermit?

>I think it would be very useful to be able to use implicit looping
>over file names selected by a wild card pattern.
>
We have this in C-Kermit.  We don't have it in MS-DOS Kermit.

>It would probably be
>useful to factor this into two steps: gathering the names should
>probably be a different step from the implicit looping.
>
In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get each
filename, and assign it to an array member.  See the example in
ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles").

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta)
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Kyler Laird <[e-mail]> wrote:

I hope you don't mind my hacking, but I thought I could add one or two ideas.

>; PUCC_SLIP.KRM
>; Use this script to SL/IP into PUCC from OS/2 Warp
>;    using C-Kermit 5A(191)
>
>;--------------------
>;variable definitions
>;--------------------
>
>;serial port number
>def \%o 1
>
>;machine name
>;def \%m coastal.ecn.purdue.edu
>def \%m nettle.ecn.purdue.edu
>
>;machine address (use "tia -address" to find out)
>;def \%a 128.46.161.160
>def \%a 128.46.161.85
>
>;login
>def \%l laird
>
>;password
>def \%p secret
>
>;shell prompt
>def \%r %
>
>;---------------------------------
>
>;set to bogus line so that SLIP.EXE can start
>set line com0

You could also say SET NETWORK TCP/IP or anything else that changes the port
from the one that SLIP.EXE is defined to use.

>
>;start SLIP.EXE
>!start "SL/IP into PUCC" /n /min slip -com\%o -ifconfig 192.0.2.1 \%a +defaultroute -p2 -rtscts
>

I'm not sure that the -comN variable is needed if you have a properly
configured SLIP.CFG file.

>;wait for SL/IP connection to initialize
>!slipwait
>
>set line slipcom\%o

This could have been done without SLIPWAIT by using the following C-Kermit
code:

:waiting
set port slipcom\%o
xif failure { pause 1, goto waiting }

>set speed 57600
>
>;call PUCC

I would replace this whole dialing section with a Services Directory
entry.
>
>;release shared serial port by setting to bogus port
>set line com0

I like to use the same port just so I know that the SLIP Driver was released.

set port com\%o

This will fail after the SLIP Driver is released.

If you didn't know the address at dial in time, but instead were told it
during the login statement, you would need to parse the incoming data for
the IP address and then make appropriate calls to ifconfig.exe and possibly
update the RESOLVE file at this point.

>
>;*Note that you could just put "quit" here.
>; The SL/IP stuff is all going on in another session.
>; The following is just because I usually want to run
>;    telnet.
>
>; You could also add lines like
>;!start EXPLORE.EXE
>;     so that TCP/IP applications (like Web Explorer) will
>;     automatically start after connection.
>
Good points.

>;connect to machine via TCP/IP (telnet)
>net tcp/ip \%m
>
>;login to machine (again)
>unixlogin \%l \%p \%r
>
Again, this is perfect for a Service Directory entry.

>;present terminal emulation screen
>connect
>
















Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Rick Mallett)
Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI
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Frank da Cruz ([e-mail]) wrote:
> In article <[e-mail]>,
> Rick Mallett <[e-mail]> wrote:

> : I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix
> : restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all
> : direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by
> : way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows:
> :  ...
> : This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can
> : escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload
> : operation.
> : ...

[portion deleted]

> : Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want.
> :
> Try -DNOPUSH.  This should prevent any type of shell access from the
> C-Kermit prompt.  Or try -DNOCTRLC.  This should make Ctrl-C (SIGINT)
> exit the program rather than returning to the prompt.

I tried using both -DNOCTRLC and -DNOPUSH but that didn't work. I had already
eliminated shell access by other means but I still need to stop users from
getting to a c-kermit prompt and browsing the system at that point. Here is
the make line I issued (after a make clean of course).

   make sunos41gcc "KFLAGS=-DNOCTRLC -DNOPUSH"

I was still able to type CTRL-C and reach the C-kermit prompt after
issuing a line similar to the following:

   kermit -C 'pcget file, quit'


Any other suggestions would be appreciated.


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Carleton University

Email address: [e-mail]
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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI
Date: 4 Apr 1995 23:44:23 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Rick Mallett <[e-mail]> wrote:
: I tried using both -DNOCTRLC and -DNOPUSH but that didn't work. I had already
: eliminated shell access by other means but I still need to stop users from
: getting to a c-kermit prompt and browsing the system at that point. Here is
: the make line I issued (after a make clean of course).
:
:    make sunos41gcc "KFLAGS=-DNOCTRLC -DNOPUSH"
:
: I was still able to type CTRL-C and reach the C-kermit prompt after
: issuing a line similar to the following:
:
Oops, sorry, I meant -DNOCCTRAP.

If there are still holes that you need to plug, please email me directly
(cuts down on newsfeed delay).

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Gideon Weisz)
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Subject: mac hebrew support?
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is there a mac kermit with hebrew support?
(and if so how easy is it for novices to use)
i know nothing about macs, but in a listserv that i subscribe to,
there seems to be the germ of a discussion about whether hebrew
e-mail (and thus a hebrew alphabet list) is practical now...
thanks, gideon

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[e-mail] wrote:
: May be Columbia U. should sue these publications for misrepresentation.
: here are examples: published in "net.speak" (Hayden Books), 1994
: author: Tom Fahey, ISBN: 1-56830-095-6

:     Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol
:              developed at Columbia University. Kermit is the slowest
:              file transfer protocol, but useful when sending 7-bit
:              characters. (Naturally, despite its lackluster transfer
:              speed--or perhaps because of it--Kermit is a favorite
:              of many educational institutions. Its status as freeware
:              has also endeared it to thrifty educators everywhere.)
:              Yes, it's named in honor of Sesame Street's Kermit the
:              Frog.

:     ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. ZMODEM
:              recovers from transmission errors more effectively than
:              the other popular protocols. In addition because ZMODEM
:              operates in batch mode, you can download or upload several
:              several files at a time. Finally, if a transmission is
:              inerrupted halfway during a file transfer, you can log
:              and pick up the file transfer where it was cut off, only
:              downloading the "last" half. With other protocols, an
:              interruption means downloading the entire file again.

:    I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user
:    community.

:    Serge

A couple of weeks ago a fetched the latest versions of Kermit for VAX and
for PCs from Columbia. Frank da Cruz had been posting some hints on the
various parameters to experiment with (block length, window slots, etc.),
which turned out to be really valuable. With a VS3100 on the one end, a
PC on the other connected by a 14400 compressing modem on a terminal server
I had transfer rates of 1610 chars/sec on precompressed binaries.
I am not convinced I've got the optimal setting bacause I did not experiment
a lot - just followed Franks hints. When I connect to a local BBS using
Zmodem, I dont't get any higher transfer rates either.
But Kermit is not only a protocol - its a good terminal with many other
facilities. I never had the need to continue an interrupted transfer yet
but I am convinced Kermit will handle this condition well also.
I have been using Kermit for many years and it turned out to be coping with
practically every possible hardware configuration. My believe is if Kermit
won't run - nothing else will.

Rolf

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Frank da Cruz:
   I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit
   you were talking about.  MS-DOS Kermit?  C-Kermit?

I use C-Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and CMS-Kermit.  Kermit is my preferred
mechanism for getting files [in and] out of CMS.

   In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get
   each filename, and assign it to an array member.  See the example
   in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles").

Thanks, next time I have to tackle this kind of problem I'll look for
this feature.

[P.S. it would also be nice to have an analogue to \ffiles() which
would get the list of files from a remote kermit server, put or send
command.]

--
Raul D. Miller

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To CAPTURE VTxxx session (segments) to a file (E.g., VTXXX.LOG),
without the VTxxx escape sequences imbedded, "take" the following
MS-Kermit 3.14 script segment (thanks to Joe D.):

; Log session without Esc codes. Hot key toggle is Ctrl-PrintScreen.
define WarnApnd  Echo Note: Existing Session Log file VTXXX.LOG will, -
                 Echo be appended until it's renamed or erased.\10, -
                 run PAUSE
assign \%u \Fsize(VTXXX.LOG) ; 'set printer' does not like null files.
if equal \%u 0 RUN ERASE VTXXX.LOG ; So erase any zero byte log file.
if exist VTXXX.LOG Do WarnApnd ; Notify about appending if necessary.
set printer VTXXX.LOG ;  ASCII session logging will be to VTXXX.LOG.


Then after this script has been run, to toggle session logging to
this file on/off, simply press Ctrl-PrintScreen. The resulting
file, VTXXX.LOG in this example, when closed (or MS-Kermit exited)
will contain an ASCII session log (excluding full-screens - E.g.,
VMS EDT screens) without Esc sequences; so (unlike unlike a file
produced with 'log session') this ASCII session log cannot be REPLAYed
of course.

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byteshifter ([e-mail]) wrote:

: when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more
: than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's

SET FILE NAMES LITERAL

in your .kermrc will do what you want, but also has some effect on
path names, so that if you try to transfer /etc/passwd, you have to make
sure that you specify an output name as well as the input name.

And of course, if you transfer files to some system that doesn't know what
to do with the filenames that you have under a smarter OS, it won't work.

Transferring to/from a variety of systems, I find it easiest to leave the
Kermit default as is, and rename the files later.

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In article <[e-mail]>,
Raul Deluth Miller <[e-mail]> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz:
:    I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit
:    you were talking about.  MS-DOS Kermit?  C-Kermit?
:
: I use C-Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and CMS-Kermit.  Kermit is my preferred
: mechanism for getting files [in and] out of CMS.
:
Terrific.  \\ffiles() works in C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit, but not in
CMS Kermit.  There is probably some other way to do this in CMS Kermit
with REXX or EXEC.

:    In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get
:    each filename, and assign it to an array member.  See the example
:    in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles").
:
: Thanks, next time I have to tackle this kind of problem I'll look for
: this feature.
:
: [P.S. it would also be nice to have an analogue to \ffiles() which
: would get the list of files from a remote kermit server, put or send
: command.]
:
Kind of like what the ftp client and server do.  Good idea.  We'll add
it to the list for future releases.

For now, assuming the server is running on UNIX, you can simulate this with
something like:

  remote host echo oofa.* > /tmp/x
  get /tmp/x

and then use OPEN READ, READ, CLOSE READ to read the filenames into an
array.  Replace the above two lines with the equivalents for VMS, CMS, etc.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: mac hebrew support?
Date: 5 Apr 1995 14:54:51 GMT
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In article <3lsj36$[e-mail]>,
Gideon Weisz <[e-mail]> wrote:
>is there a mac kermit with hebrew support?
>
I never heard of one.

>(and if so how easy is it for novices to use)
>i know nothing about macs, but in a listserv that i subscribe to,
>there seems to be the germ of a discussion about whether hebrew
>e-mail (and thus a hebrew alphabet list) is practical now...
>
It's totally practical with MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit, both
of which fully support Hebrew terminal emulation.

Unfortunately, Mac Kermit was orphaned years ago.  We don't have
access to the services of any qualified Macintosh programmers for
further development (and bug-fixing) work.

New volunteers (or cash grants to fund a development position)
would be most welcome.

- Frank

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Can somebody help.

I'm using an visual Basic VBX (PDQComm from crescent) to talk
from a PC to a number of hosts (PDP11/VAX/RS6000) and using
kermit on the host to transfer files. However if I try to cancel
the transfer the host machine just keeps on sending.

What character sequence must I issue from my VB code to make the
host 'shut up'.

I had thought that this sort of thing would be covered by the
crescent documentation/support (since they advertise support for
kermit protocol) but it isn't.

Can somebody help (preferably by e-mail as it's more accessable)
as I'm getting rather desperate.

Ta
Rob Kings

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Subject: Input / Output in Scripts?
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I've got the manual in front of me, and I am trying to learn scripting. I have
the following script to telnet to my provider:

log session
set input echo on
set terminal type vt100
telnet my.isp.com
input 5 login:
output myname\13
input 5 Password
output mypassword\13

The telnet session opens, login: appears and the script just waits.
I can manually login, but the script never sees the input. What am I missing?
Thanks

David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831
       finger [e-mail] for information


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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts?
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In article <3lhpvk$[e-mail]>,  <[e-mail]> wrote:
Try this:
>
>log session
>set input echo on
>set terminal type vt100
set net tcp/ip
set host my.isp.com
>input 5 login:
>output myname\13
>input 5 Password
>output mypassword\13
Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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When using linux kermit (local) and c-kermit (remote), I get the
message "Can't open output file" when attempting to download a
file to my local machine. I used to be able to download successfully,
but now the transfer always aborts with the above message. I may have
changed some settings, but can't figure out which.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Paul Clifford <[e-mail]> wrote:
>When using linux kermit (local) and c-kermit (remote), I get the
>message "Can't open output file" when attempting to download a
>file to my local machine. I used to be able to download successfully,
>but now the transfer always aborts with the above message. I may have
>changed some settings, but can't figure out which.
>
This means that a file was coming in, Kermit got the name of the file
from the incoming file header packet, transformed the name (or not)
according to your SET FILE NAMES setting, got the attributes from the
attribute packet, and then tried to create a new file with the given name,
in either the current directory or, if you had SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES ON
and SET FILENAMES LITERAL, in whatever directory was included in the
incoming filename...  and then failed for some reason.  Normally the reason
is printed using perror(), like: write access denied, disk full, or something
like that.

To rule out all of the above, run Kermit with its default FILE NAMES and
RECEIVE PATHNAMES settings (namely, CONVERTED and OFF, respectively), and
make sure your current directory is writeable and your disk or partition is
not full.

If you still have a problem, then the next question would be: did you install
Kermit setuid or setgid?  If so, did you follow the instructions carefully
for doing this?

If you still can't figure out what's wrong, email me directly.

- Frank <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail] (Patrick Wolfe)
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Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem
Date: 6 Apr 1995 21:26:57 GMT
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Edward Stevens ([e-mail]) wrote:

:     I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit
: times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I
: am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to
: /dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash)
: ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message.
: Any hints ? Thanks.

I also get this every time I have just disconnected from a host and
want to dial out somewhere else.  I've found that if I connect, let the
"NO CARRIER" message get displayed, and drop back to the kermit prompt,
I can then dial out again.

--

    Patrick Wolfe ([e-mail])

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ?
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In article <3lvavp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tom F McCabe) writes:
>
> I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and
> successfully run it over Novell's LANWP
> tcpip.exe and telapi.exe.   However, in reading
> the documentation in seems to imply that you don't
> need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit;
> that is it implies that the equivalent functions
> are in ckermit 3.14.  Is that correct?
>
> When I try the following:
>     1. Put all the appropriate definitions in
>         my mscustom.ini - such as domain,
>         subnetmasks, etc.
>     2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi)
>     3. run kermit 3.14
>     4. In ckermit type:  set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu
>                          connect
>        I get the error:
>         Cannot access ip type packets
>         Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting
>
> Am I doing something obvious that's wrong?  Do i need to
> initialize other stuff?
>
----------
    First off, it's not C Kermit that you are running but a separate
product, MS-DOS Kermit.
    As the documentation explains, MSK has its own internal TCP/IP
stack, and it can be used as a pure ODI client (same as IPXODI or LWP/DOS).
You need to create a proper NET.CFG file for ODI, and the Kermit docs give
plenty of examples (don't be creative in NET.CFG, please). My guess is you
skipped dealing with NET.CFG.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (David Zykin)
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Subject: How to get to modem on terminal server?
Date: 6 Apr 1995 21:16:45 GMT
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Can anyone tell me how to do this:

I need to set default to a directory on my VMS system, start ckermit, and
grab MODEM1 on a terminal server named DEC1, then use the modem on that
terminal server to dial out. I can't seem to find a way to get to the
modem. I tried SET LINE MODEM1, and I get "no such device available".

Well okay, so it can't see the modem hanging off the server... what do I
have to tell ckermit to get it to see the modem?

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From: [e-mail] (Christopher R Hertel)
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Subject: Script: (newbie) How to I echo & capture received data?
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Inquiry:
  I am new to Kermit, but I think that it can do what I'm trying to have
done.

I want to be able to dial out to a service which, upon connection, will
simply spume information back at me at 1200 baud.  I need to capture
about 2000 bytes of that information *and* I need to echo the information
back *as I receive it*.

So, as the data arrives at my end I need to copy it to a file *and* echo
it back.  Oh, and I have to watch for certain characters, too (so that I
know when to stop receiving and hang up the line).

Any info on how to... would be appreciated.

I look forward to any replies.

Chris Hertel
[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: resize (Re: Clobbering the Last Line)
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In article <3m0fa8$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Kari E. Hurtta) writes:
> [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> ;In article <[e-mail]>,
> ;Ken T. Takusagawa <[e-mail]> wrote:
> ;>1.  How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered
> ;>whenever I use the UNIX "more" command?
> ;>
> ;By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size.
> ;By default, both are 24 and everything works right.  If you are using
> ;some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to:
>
> ;  `eval resize`
>
> By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14.
> (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected?
>
> (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers.
>  This news server works quite unreliable.)
> --
> - Kari E. Hurtta                             /  Eldmd on monimutkaista
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    I'm not quite sure what the "this" is in "this didn't work correctly"
above. Works fine here to Unix machinery and VAXen etc. Perhaps you'd care
to repeat the observations after checking the characteristics of your Unix
host.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Edward Stevens)
Subject: C-kermit on Linux problem
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    I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit
times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I
am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to
/dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash)
ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message.
Any hints ? Thanks.

Ted
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From: [e-mail] (Vincent Fatica)
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Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem
Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 03:36:33 GMT
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[e-mail] (Edward Stevens) wrote:


>    I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit
>times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I
>am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to
>/dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash)
>ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message.
>Any hints ? Thanks.

Ted,

The dial-out devices in Linux are called /dev/cua0 ... 3 (for COM1 ... 4).
[/dev/ttyS0 ... S3 are the dial-in devices (physically the same).]

Also, if the port you're using (sounds like COM3) does not have the default
address and IRQ, then a "setserial" command should be used in one of the
start-up files (/etc/rc.d/rc.local is good) to provide the necessary
information.

And too, if it's really COM3 (cua2 or S2) you're dealing with, and it does
have the default IRQ, then it's using an IRQ also used by COM1 (or maybe
it's COM2) and there may be a conflict. See "man setserial"; the syntax is
straightforward.

I hope it helps.

 - Vince

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From: [e-mail] (Tom F McCabe)
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Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ?
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Joe Doupnik ([e-mail]) wrote:
: In article <3lvavp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tom F McCabe) writes:
: >
: > I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and
: > successfully run it over Novell's LANWP
: > tcpip.exe and telapi.exe.   However, in reading
: > the documentation in seems to imply that you don't
: > need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit;
: > that is it implies that the equivalent functions
: > are in ckermit 3.14.  Is that correct?
: >
: > When I try the following:
: >     1. Put all the appropriate definitions in
: >         my mscustom.ini - such as domain,
: >         subnetmasks, etc.
: >     2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi)
: >     3. run kermit 3.14
: >     4. In ckermit type:  set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu
: >                          connect
: >        I get the error:
: >         Cannot access ip type packets
: >         Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting
: >
: > Am I doing something obvious that's wrong?  Do i need to
: > initialize other stuff?
: >
: ----------
:     First off, it's not C Kermit that you are running but a separate
: product, MS-DOS Kermit.
:     As the documentation explains, MSK has its own internal TCP/IP
: stack, and it can be used as a pure ODI client (same as IPXODI or LWP/DOS).
: You need to create a proper NET.CFG file for ODI, and the Kermit docs give
: plenty of examples (don't be creative in NET.CFG, please). My guess is you
: skipped dealing with NET.CFG.
:     Joe D.


Yes that was the problem all right.  I had put the stuff in net.cfg
but I had two net.cfgs and either ms kermit wasn't finding it or
was getting the wrong one.  Thanks for all who responded.

BTW this is the best newsgroup I have seen for the 'experts' responding.
You are to be congratulated and thanked.

tom mccabe
[e-mail]


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From: Joey Sum <[e-mail]>
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Hi,
     I run Kermit/2.  After helping a friend setup MS-Kermit, I noticed
that the DOS version comes with a Kermite and Kerlite versions, for
people who have no need of TCP/IP support and terminal support,
respectively.  I was wondering if such things could be included in the
next release of C-Kermit/2?

Thanks,
Joey


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From: [e-mail] (Gilles Ratel 8720)
Subject: switch:  "tektronix mode" <-> "vt100 mode" ?
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  With Kermit for DOS,

    How do you do change "tektronix mode" -> "vt100 mode"

      {what key  for togle "textronix" <-> "vt100"}

Thanks,

Gilles Ratel

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From: [e-mail] (Vincent Fatica)
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Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem
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[e-mail] (Vincent Fatica) wrote:

... some stuff, but he had missed the fact that Ted said the modem was on
DOS's COM2.

If that's the case, Ted, you want to "set line /dev/cua1".

/dev/cua0=COM1, /dev/cua1=COM2, et c.

You probably won't need the setserial command since it's likely that
/dev/cua1 is using the normal address and IRQ.

FYI, the devices /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, et c. are also COM1, COM2, et c.
They're for incoming calls; say you wanted your modem to answer the phone
and have the caller be offered a login prompt ... then you'd run a "getty"
on one of the /dev/ttyS1 and tell the modem to answer.

Sorry I wasn't so precise the first time.

 - Vince

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   Syracuse University Mathematics
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From [e-mail] Fri Apr  7 11:44:43 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How about kermite/2?
Date: 7 Apr 1995 11:44:43 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Joey Sum  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Hi,
>     I run Kermit/2.  After helping a friend setup MS-Kermit, I noticed
>that the DOS version comes with a Kermite and Kerlite versions, for
>people who have no need of TCP/IP support and terminal support,
>respectively.  I was wondering if such things could be included in the
>next release of C-Kermit/2?

The real question is: "under OS/2 what do you gain by creating a vareity
of version?"  The answer is not much.

The reason for the different version of MS-DOS Kermit is the DOS 640k
memory limit.  Under OS/2, this is not an issue.  Executable code which
is never used is never loaded.

OS/2 C-Kermit already does have much of its TCP/IP is separate DLLs.
One DLL for each TCP/IP product supported.  These DLLs are optional.

The savings of some disk space alone is not a good enough reason to have
to support multiple versions.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: switch:  "tektronix mode" <-> "vt100 mode" ?
Date: 7 Apr 1995 13:51:23 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Gilles Ratel 8720 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>  With Kermit for DOS,
>    How do you do change "tektronix mode" -> "vt100 mode"
>      {what key  for togle "textronix" <-> "vt100"}
>
As explained on page 100 of the French-language manual:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer
  & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages, ISBN 2-901143-20-2.

and on page 85 of the English edition:

  Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital
  Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN
  1-55558-082-3.

the key is Alt-minus.  That is, hold down the Alt key and press the top-
rank minus key (the one that is between 0 and equals sign).  This switches
between graphics mode and text mode.

NOTE: The French edition is also available from Columbia University.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Script: (newbie) How to I echo & capture received data?
Date: 7 Apr 1995 13:58:29 GMT
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In article <3lv1tk$[e-mail]>,
Christopher R Hertel <[e-mail]> wrote:
: I am new to Kermit, but I think that it can do what I'm trying to have
: done.
:
Which Kermit program are you talking about?  Since there are so many of
them, it is always a good idea to say which one.

: I want to be able to dial out to a service which, upon connection, will
: simply spume information back at me at 1200 baud.  I need to capture
: about 2000 bytes of that information *and* I need to echo the information
: back *as I receive it*.
:
: So, as the data arrives at my end I need to copy it to a file *and* echo
: it back.  Oh, and I have to watch for certain characters, too (so that I
: know when to stop receiving and hang up the line).
:
Please pick up a copy of the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or
"Using C-Kermit".  Read the chapters on script programming, especially the
INPUT, OUTPUT, and LOG SESSION commands.  These will show you exactly what
to do.

- Frank

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HI,


I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function
keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the
function keys. Is there a work around this situation?

Thanks,

Helen
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Set Key and LInux ckermit
Date: 7 Apr 1995 16:54:47 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]>,
 <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function
>keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the
>function keys. Is there a work around this situation?
>
UNIX (including Linux) C-Kermit does not have direct access to BIOS-level
scan codes.  So if you want to map F keys and other non-character keys,
you have to do it outside of Kermit.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Takeshi Onoda)
Subject: Help fj.kermit from silly guys.
Sender: [e-mail] (Takeshi Onoda)
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Hello. I am posting from Japan, and using computers
with the programs which support the `kermit' protocol
and Japanese Language.

We kermit users in Japan have the newsgroup named fj.kermit
which looks like this newsgroup in Japan. `fj' means `From
Japan', so many articles are written by Japanese language
(a Japanese font needs two or more bytes of code) that you
can read them with some software which can disp Japanese fonts.

About a month ago, some guys started to post silly messages
to this newsgroup. We thought that they were mistaking this for
the Kermit in the Sesami Street at first, so write them that.
But they were not. They have been posting more and more silly
and/or sexcial messages, laughing at us because our articles
are written by Japanese which they can't read and understand.
They ignoring our cautions. We Japanese kermit users are lost
in thought. Please somebody stop their act. Do you know what
we shall do? Thanks.

The guys's e-mail adress are
     Lemonhead <[e-mail]>
     [e-mail] (KERMELLA)
     Magnolia Thunderpussy <[e-mail]>
     Jesus Christ <[e-mail]>
and following are some examples of their messages.

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From: [e-mail] (KERMELLA)
Newsgroups: fj.kermit
Subject: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News
Date: 4 Apr 1995 16:09:25 -0400
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Lines: 3
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Message-ID: <3ls91l$[e-mail]>
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Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over
my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green
body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP

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From: Lemonhead <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: fj.kermit
Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:43:23 -0500
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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On 4 Apr 1995, KERMELLA wrote:

> Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over
> my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green
> body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP
>
>
just ignore them Kerm, if they don't stop soon will sic Ms Piggy on em
HIIIIIIIIIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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{You don't have to be rich to be my girl          : Kevin Karpiak         }
{You don't have to be cool to rule my world       : University of Illinois}
{Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with:  at Champaign-Urbana  }
{I just want you extra time                       :                       }
{And your kiss                                    : [e-mail]      }
{        - Best Sung by: Tom Jones         : [e-mail] }
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From: Lemonhead <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: fj.kermit
Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 02:14:59 -0500
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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>  >> Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over
>  >> my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green
>  >> body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP
> Why don't you post to:
>     comp.protocols.kermit.announce
>     comp.protocols.kermit.misc
> More people can hear your report than fj.kermit.:-p
>
becuase those groups are obviously about computers and stuff, silly:
COMP.protocols.etc, etc, etc

This is OBVIOUSLY about frog jelly: FJ.kermit

I think I need to repost the FAQ


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{You don't have to be rich to be my girl          : Kevin Karpiak         }
{You don't have to be cool to rule my world       : University of Illinois}
{Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with:  at Champaign-Urbana  }
{I just want you extra time                       :                       }
{And your kiss                                    : [e-mail]      }
{        - Best Sung by: Tom Jones         : [e-mail] }
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             KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina!
                    - Tim Cline

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From: Lemonhead <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: fj.kermit
Subject: fj.kermit FAQ Posting ver. 1.1
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 02:28:31 -0500
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FAQ FOR FJ.KERMIT

1. What does fj.kermit stand for?
fj.kermit stands for FrogJelly.Kermit, not- I reapeat- NOT "From Japan"
as some frog h-hating detractors would have you believe.

2. What is the purpose of this group?
to talk about frogjelly and kermit

3. What's with these pesky people who insist that this newsgroup is
supposed to be about some goddamn new-fangled Japanese program thinggy?
They're on crack

4. Where can I get me a supply of that crack?
It's in the water system of Illinois

5. What happens when you put the largest piece of Cap'n Crunch known to
mankind in a testube of water, let it sit there until it decays into
dirt, and then put a nice purty flower in said tube?
I don't know.

6. Who the hell is this Mujibar Smedjkal?
He is the well-dressed styrofoam boy that lives on our bathroom light.
He watches me while I shower and it excites me.  He also is conducting
the Cap'n Experiment.

7. Who put the "bop" in the "bop shoo wop shooo wop?"
Mujibar

8. Who is the loudest person in the world?
Me.

9. I have a roomfull of empty pizza boxes, what can I do with them?
Give them to me.

10. What exactly is "free stuff?"
Anything you can grab, especially "slippery when wet" signs in Spanish.

11. What's the best breakfast food ever?
Bacon, lots and lots of bacon.

12. If you can fool the mamma, and you can fool the papa, who can you
still not fool?
"The mirror baby" -Dick Vitale

13. How many people actually read this group?
If you are reading this, one.  I can't read.

14. What is the most effective put-down ever?
"Your Momma", you can't come back from that.

15. What's your favorite line of Zulu poetry, Kevin?
"I saw a great man who kissed me on all of my thousand cheeks, and I knew
then that I would know him forever."

16.  If George Washington and Abraham Lincoln where to get into an
all-out fight, who would win?
Lincoln, no contest.  George was a sickly old man who was so weak he
couldn't even keep his teeth in, while Abe was a rugged and scrappy
lumberjack/pioneer who could build a log cabin with his bare hands.  Abe
also has the reach advantage.

17. Who is Yoda?
A film star and our maid.

18. I can't seem to understand what the hell this group is about.
That's not a question, so I don't have to produce an answer.

19. If God were a musician, who would he be?
Bob Mould

20. What is the official language of this newsgroup?
Red-blooded American English, and if you don't like it- Dave has a
shotgun and a very large knife that might convince you.  America also has
the Bomb and Japan doesn't :p

21. How many questions are gonna be in this damn FAQ?
Umm, tis is good, I'm tired of typing.
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{You don't have to be cool to rule my world       : University of Illinois}
{Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with:  at Champaign-Urbana  }
{I just want you extra time                       :                       }
{And your kiss                                    : [e-mail]      }
{        - Best Sung by: Tom Jones         : [e-mail] }
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ONODA Takeshi : The Seismological Laboratory, Hirosaki University

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From: [e-mail] (Takeshi Onoda)
Subject: Re: Help fj.kermit from silly guys.
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There is new example of messages from one of those guys.
Plese note that Ex.6 contains Japanese code inside.

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From: Lemonhead <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: fj.kermit
Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:38:08 -0500
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 42
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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    <3lss5p$[e-mail]>
    <[e-mail]>
    <3ltsql$[e-mail]> <3ltt59$[e-mail]>
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>  |becuase those groups are obviously about computers and stuff, silly:
>  |COMP.protocols.etc, etc, etc
>  |
>  |This is OBVIOUSLY about frog jelly: FJ.kermit
> No.
>
That's the best come-back you have?  "No" ???


> Newsgroups begin with FJ.* means news articles From Japan.
> Many other newsgroups which includes many articles from
> japan are delivered to the newsgroups under FJ category.
>   fj.kermit is one of the newsgroup under FJ category
> which is intended to discuss about the `kermit' program
> used among computers.
> # Not the name of frog, you love.:-)
>
says you.  I've got a FAQ backing me, buddy boy.


>  |I think I need to repost the FAQ
> I think that you'd better change your newsgroup to
> ALT.FJ.kermit, ALT.FJ.kermit.the.frog or some.
>
I think YOU better change you group to anal.japanese.computer.geeks





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{You don't have to be cool to rule my world       : University of Illinois}
{Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with:  at Champaign-Urbana  }
{I just want you extra time                       :                       }
{And your kiss                                    : [e-mail]      }
{        - Best Sung by: Tom Jones         : [e-mail] }
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             KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina!
                    - Tim Cline

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From: Lemonhead <[e-mail]>
Newsgroups: fj.kermit
Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:41:00 -0500
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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On 6 Apr 1995, KOJIMA Hajime/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPi5FZ0glGyhC?= wrote:

> <3ltd50$[e-mail]> $B$N5-;v$K$*$$$F(B
> [e-mail] (SASABE Tetsuro) $B$5$s$O=q$-$^$7$?(B:
>
> | In article <[e-mail]>
> |     [e-mail] (KOJIMA
> |  Hajime/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPi5FZ0glGyhC?=) writes:
> |
> || $B!!$d$C$Q!"(Bfj.kermit $B$O(B fj.protocols.kermit $B$H$+(B fj.net.protocols.kermit
> || $B$H$+!"$=$&$$$&L>A0$KJQ$($?$[$&$,!"$h$$$N$G$O$J$$$G$7$g$&$+!)(B
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> |   $B;W$$IU$-$G$9$,!"0l;~E*$K(B moderated $B$K$9$k$H$$$&$N$O$I$&$G$7$g$&$+!#(B

I don't know what this is about cuz it's in that Pig Latin/Voodoo Hex
language, but I DO know that whoever wrote it was talking about
moderating this group or something.  I tell you there IS a moderator for
this group and it's Kermit D. Frog, with a big jar of frogjelly in his
hand about to spread it on his toast- yes TOAST


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Can send but not receive?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] writes:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to set set up a file transfer script using DynaComm
> from FutureSoft and C-Kermit on VAX/VMS and am having problems
> receiving.
>
> I can send files in either binary or text format to the VAX
> with no problems.  However, when I try to receive, the transfer
> ends almost immediately.
>
> I have also tried using Kermit-32 on the VAX with exactly the
> same results.  The transfer to VAX worked fined, but the
> transfer back from the VAX failed immediately.
----------
    I've not heard of DynaComm and thus have no idea of what it
does. But the symptoms are that it objects to the file transfer to
it. The standard diagnosis method is to log packets (LOG PACKET
command) on each side so technical people can see who said what to
whom. In the end, I think you will need to talk with the FutureSoft
people about their program.
    Joe D.

p to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin, get BINARY
file msvibm.zip. In there we discuss SLIP, and we also provide a SLIP Packet
Driver.
    There is no TN3270 emulation at this time in MSK.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Michael Bernardi)
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Has ANYONE managed to get MSK314 to work with ODI drivers running over a
Token Ring network? In particular genuine IBM cards (TOKEN.COM).

In the early BETA versions this worked fine, but since I got the final
release the program ceases to connect :-(. I'd appreciate a look at copies
of working NET.CFGs if possible.

NB if the ODITRPKT shim is loaded THEN MSK314 works fine. But I wan to run
it in native ODI mode.
Mike
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From [e-mail] Fri Apr  7 14:01:00 1995
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From: [e-mail] (Brainwave Surfer)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: How to get to modem on terminal server?
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In article <3m1lnt$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (David Zykin) writes:
> Well okay, so it can't see the modem hanging off the server... what do I
> have to tell ckermit to get it to see the modem?
>
your sysadmin has to declare the modem1 on the decserver as a lat service,
and gife you access to it... it's in the doccos somewhere. see the dialout
com file sniplet in the decserver's load image directory.  need more, mail me.

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where can I download the manual ?

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From: [e-mail] (Al Aab - CNED/W94)
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I am a newbie.

How can I get the manual/FAQ/etc ?
How to automate logons (to several hosts) ?
Other protocols (x,y,z,ansi) available from kermit ?

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Multiple terminals under LAN WorkPlace??
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In article <3m5jf5$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh) writes:
> Over the last several months I've been trying to figure out a good
> solution for remote and LAN based multi-session terminals to a Unix
> machine (and also a connected TBBS bulletin board).
>
> This may sound like a comp.sys.novell/comp.os.netware.connectivity query,
> but Kermit is mentioned in both the following questions:
>
> On the LAN side, can MS-Kermit support more than one session under DOS/Windows
> and the Novell TCP/IP transport (e.g. SET PORT TELAPI)?
    Yes, of course. Note that Novell's TSU transitory helper simulates
COM ports. Just choose another COM port and use SET PORT BIOSx in Kermit.

> On the remote access side, can LAN Workplace (either DOS/Windows or OS/2)
> provide an environment for supporting multiple Kermit sessions over a PPP
> link?
    Huh? What's the bottom end have to do with Telnet? PPP could care
less about what's in an IP packet; it's just moved to the other end of the
wire.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Help using Kermit via dial up SLIP to telnet TN3270
Date: 7 Apr 1995 01:04:08 GMT
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I am using Kermit to dial directly by phone and emulate a vt320 and it works fine on the
university VM system. However, I would like to use telnet. I have a dial
up slip account and I use Trumpet winsock. Is it possible to use Kermit to control the screen and
the keyboard while using a SLIP? I have the telnet address of the university computer but regular
telnet does not work, they say you need TN3270. I figured Kermit might be able to work and emulate
a TN3270. First, is it possible and do I need other software? Second, how do I do it? I tried and it keeps
asking me for a "packet driver" but I am not running an ethernet card, I am using a modem. Thanks.

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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts?
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[e-mail] wrote:
: I've got the manual in front of me, and I am trying to learn scripting. I have
: the following script to telnet to my provider:

: log session
: set input echo on
: set terminal type vt100
: telnet my.isp.com

replace this with

set port tcp/ip my.isp.com

: input 5 login:
: output myname\13
: input 5 Password
: output mypassword\13

Add a

connect

if desired at this stage.

telnet my.isp.com

is equivalent to:

set port tcp/ip my.isp.com
connect

which puts you directly into interactive mode, and the script that follows
doesn't get executed until the telnet session gets closed.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: Help Needed With TCP/IP
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Robert Ong ([e-mail]) wrote:

: Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client
: in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer
: as an ASCII/dumb terminal?

: I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC.  Does kermit come
: with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our
: Unix computer?  Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP
: driver that does the same thing?

There are 2 ways you can do this with MS-Kermit and Novell's Client Kit:

1)

Run an ODI driver, and define a Protocol Kermit that uses a Frame Type
Ethernet_II as described in the docs for MS-Kermit. (I can supply a couple
of examples when I'm back at work, so email me if you want them).

2)

Run Novell's TCP/IP transport (TCPIP.EXE) and do a SET PORT TELAPI host, where
host is the name or IP address of the Unix machine.

ftp.novell.com has updates for the Netware clients which are worth considering
if your Netware client software isn't current.

If your Unix host is running Novell's Unixware or other Unix supporting
Novell'sNVT/NVT2, you can also load the client NVT.EXE TSR and use MS-Kermit
with a SET PORT BIOS1, but you lose some memory and/or functionality compared
with the 2 previously mentioned methods.

--
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From: [e-mail] (Markus Hdrnvi)
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Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta)
Date: 9 Apr 1995 15:41:40 +0100
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Can this be used with PPP.EXE as well?

My system just upgraded from TIA to PPP.

//Markus
















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In article <3m53f6$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Robert Ong) writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client
> in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer
> as an ASCII/dumb terminal?
>
> I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC.  Does kermit come
> with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our
> Unix computer?  Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP
> driver that does the same thing?
-----------
    MS-DOS Kermit has an internal TCP/IP protocol stack. A "driver"
is normally a handler of a piece of hardware or similar, rather than a
large complex protocol stack.
    As Arthur Marsh points out in a previous reply, MSK can use its
internal TCP/IP stack and it can run over the top of TCP/IP stacks from
other vendors: Novell, FTP Inc, Beame and Whiteside.
    There's no need to be a truely stupid ASCII terminal in this
situation. Use the sophisticated terminal emulation capabilities of MSK
and have your Unix machine exploit it's terminfo/termcap. The results
are worth it. VT320 is recommended, fall back to VT220 if the Unix machine
does not know about VT320's.
    Please do review the documentation accompanying the MSK release
because we try to explain many of these things there. Quick start kit is
binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip on kermit.columbia.edu.
    Joe D.

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I am having serious line noise problems, and I don't have an error
correcting modem.  While I realize that I need to solve this problem
eventually, it's causing a secondary problem with terminal emulation
that it would be helpful to solve sooner: There seems to be some
character(s) that, when MS-Kermit (in terminal mode) receives it/them,
it causes Kermit to begin displaying in Greek characters.  The screen
still writes from left to right, but now in Greek letters.  It occurs
so frequently that I've had to add a macro to 'set term char latin1'
and assign it to a key.  Is there a way to disable this, so that the
character set is not changed no matter what Kermit receives?  Thanks in
advance,

                                        Jeff

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From: [e-mail] (Leon Loo)
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I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line
while in a kermit script?  I'm going to a host periodically hangs up.
I've look through the manual but have not been able to find something which
would let me do this.

I'm using MSKermit version 3.13 patch level 0.

Any help would be appriciated.

Leon Loo
Systems Analysis
University of Guelph
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From: [e-mail] (Tom F McCabe)
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Subject: Problem with Get/Send over tcp/ip
Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:56:23 GMT
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I'm able to use ms-kermit to connect to our alpha
which is running c-Kermit 5a(190) Beta .  Ms-kermit
terminal emulation works fine -  the problem is when
I try to get/send files.

If I leave the lines:
    set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu
    connect
in my mscustom.ini file
then I connect to nyssa just fine, run c-kermit on
the alpha and type server to the alpha. All is ok.
But when I try to then do a send/get no packets are
and the send/get eventually times out.

However, if I take these lines out of the mscustom.ini
and type them as commands to ms-kermit after I
start it up, the send/gets  work just fine. Can anyone
tell me what's going on here.  I would just as soon
leave these lines in my mscustom.ini if I can.

A second problem:  When I try to use either the
finish or bye command from ms-kermit to exit
from the alpha after I've started the server there,
nothing happens and when I quit ms-kermit there
is ALWAYS a hanging communication line to my alpha.
Any known problems here or is it just me?

tom mccabe
[e-mail]


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In <3m8it3$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh) writes:
>which puts you directly into interactive mode, and the script that follows
>doesn't get executed until the telnet session gets closed.

Thanks Arthur - this last bit of info was what I seemed to miss in the manual.

David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831
       finger [e-mail] for information


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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Problem with Get/Send over tcp/ip
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In article <3m9l67$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Tom F McCabe) writes:
>
> I'm able to use ms-kermit to connect to our alpha
> which is running c-Kermit 5a(190) Beta .  Ms-kermit
> terminal emulation works fine -  the problem is when
> I try to get/send files.
>
> If I leave the lines:
>     set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu
>     connect
> in my mscustom.ini file
    One really ought not do a CONNECT in the startup file
because that invokes the TCP/IP session right away, leaving
no time to do local setup busywork. The session will timeout
if you don't login/password at that point.

> then I connect to nyssa just fine, run c-kermit on
> the alpha and type server to the alpha. All is ok.
> But when I try to then do a send/get no packets are
> and the send/get eventually times out.

    This works perfectly, so we can guess there is more
going on at your desktop than what you describe. Once C Kermit
is in SERVER mode press ALT-X on your PC, then issue the send/get
commands. Make sure no other macros or script commands have
intervened to change the comms channel to a serial port. Do
a SHOW COM before get/send to verify matters. I'll bet you
have a SET PORT in there somewhere after the Connect.

> However, if I take these lines out of the mscustom.ini
> and type them as commands to ms-kermit after I
> start it up, the send/gets  work just fine. Can anyone
> tell me what's going on here.  I would just as soon
> leave these lines in my mscustom.ini if I can.
>
> A second problem:  When I try to use either the
> finish or bye command from ms-kermit to exit
> from the alpha after I've started the server there,
> nothing happens and when I quit ms-kermit there
> is ALWAYS a hanging communication line to my alpha.
> Any known problems here or is it just me?
    Works fine. But.... If your Alpha is running
VMS Virtual Terminals (VT types) then they normally
don't sense the end of a session and quit; they persist
and persist with C Kermit still running. Best to remove
the VT support as a pain.
    FINISH does not close down connections, but BYE
does. VMS VT's don't respond well when the application
(C Kermit in this case) tries to shut down the link.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta)
Date: 10 Apr 1995 05:38:42 GMT
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In article <3m8rn4$[e-mail]>,
Markus Hdrnvi <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Can this be used with PPP.EXE as well?
>
>My system just upgraded from TIA to PPP.
>

Sorry, but No. PPP is implemented directly in the IBM Dialer.
There is no external interface that I am aware of.

Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * [phone]
"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software."
"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed."
  OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip

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From: [e-mail] (Hans Lachman)
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Is there a program that will perform simple diagnostics on a modem?
Like, tell you if it's hooked up and if it's accepting AT commands?

I'm trying to advise a someone on getting a modem working.  They
installed the modem and are using an older version of Kermit
that is known to work.  They had it working before, to the extent
that the modem was accepting and echoing AT commands, but now
they can't even get that much to work.  Something must be different,
and I don't know whether it's the modem or Kermit.  I'd like to
verify that the modem is usable before trying anything further
with Kermit.  Is there a way I can verify this?

Hans Lachman  <[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail] (Scott Hanson)
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Subject: too slow!
Date: 10 Apr 1995 03:15:29 GMT
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It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my
server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and
basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things
up..Why would anyone want to use this program?  A 100,000 byte program
can take 10 minutes?  It's ridiculous!

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 PL3 - "Locking in" a character set?
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes:
> I am having serious line noise problems, and I don't have an error
> correcting modem.  While I realize that I need to solve this problem
> eventually, it's causing a secondary problem with terminal emulation
> that it would be helpful to solve sooner: There seems to be some
> character(s) that, when MS-Kermit (in terminal mode) receives it/them,
> it causes Kermit to begin displaying in Greek characters.  The screen
> still writes from left to right, but now in Greek letters.  It occurs
> so frequently that I've had to add a macro to 'set term char latin1'
> and assign it to a key.  Is there a way to disable this, so that the
> character set is not changed no matter what Kermit receives?  Thanks in
> advance,
>
>                                         Jeff
-------
    It's not Greek greek but rather IBM PC Code Page greek. That is,
the high bit set stuff. The likely cause is reception of SI and SO
control codes (^O, ^N) which cause a shift of character sets ("real"
VTxxx's do exactly the same). Pressing the \ktermreset key, ALT equals,
will put things back together again.
    The only sure cure is to get rid of the corrupted bytes coming
in from the wire. A temp workaround is putting ASCII in character set
working buffer G1 (to/from which the ^O/^N guys are toggling) via command
SET TERM CHAR ASCII G1.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Tom F McCabe)
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Subject: kermit over ethernet in dos ?
Date: 6 Apr 1995 00:00:57 GMT
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I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and
successfully run it over Novell's LANWP
tcpip.exe and telapi.exe.   However, in reading
the documentation in seems to imply that you don't
need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit;
that is it implies that the equivalent functions
are in ckermit 3.14.  Is that correct?

When I try the following:
    1. Put all the appropriate definitions in
        my mscustom.ini - such as domain,
        subnetmasks, etc.
    2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi)
    3. run kermit 3.14
    4. In ckermit type:  set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu
                         connect
       I get the error:
        Cannot access ip type packets
        Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting

Am I doing something obvious that's wrong?  Do i need to
initialize other stuff?

Any help will be appreciated?

tom mccabe
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Tolonen Pasi)
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Subject: C-Kermit(190) & Aix 3.2.5 (RS/6000)...
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sometimes does funny things - Kermit process doesn't allow itself
to be killed, it just stays in "exiting" state. This situation
can only be resolved by shutting the RS/6000 down. And it sure is
not the most elegant way to kill processess when you have dozens
of users logged in.

Anyone knows why this happens or how to prevent it?


Regards,

Pasi

--
 Pasi Tolonen           Systems Manager        Analyste Oy / Finland
 tel.[phone]    fax.[phone]    Email: [e-mail]

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In article <3ma7sh$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Scott Hanson) writes:
> It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my
> server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and
> basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things
> up..Why would anyone want to use this program?  A 100,000 byte program
> can take 10 minutes?  It's ridiculous!
----------
    Nice grumble, but what can we say to help? For openers, what
programs (and versions) are being run on each end, what's the comms
link like, and all those nasty detail things.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ?
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In article <3mbdb4$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Arthur Marsh) writes:
> Tom F McCabe ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
> : I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and
> : successfully run it over Novell's LANWP
> : tcpip.exe and telapi.exe.   However, in reading
> : the documentation in seems to imply that you don't
> : need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit;
> : that is it implies that the equivalent functions
> : are in ckermit 3.14.  Is that correct?
>
> You've just about answered one of my questions.
>
> I gather that telapi.exe is in LAN WorkPlace, but
> not included with the TCP/IP transport that comes
> with the Netware Client Kit for DOS/Windows?
---------
    Sad but true. TELAPI and TSU are included only in the full
product and not in the Client Kit. Novell management made that decision
for reasons not explained to the customer base.
    Joe D.

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From: [e-mail] (John Price)
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Subject: Re: too slow!
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Scott Hanson ([e-mail]) wrote:
: It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my
: server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and
: basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things
: up..Why would anyone want to use this program?  A 100,000 byte program
: can take 10 minutes?  It's ridiculous!

Sometimes it's the only choice. For our IBM mainframes here, for
instance. They have a "one way at a time" communications interface. That
means Z-modem can't deal with it.

John Price


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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Modem diagnostic program?
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In article <[e-mail]>,
Hans Lachman <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Is there a program that will perform simple diagnostics on a modem?
>Like, tell you if it's hooked up and if it's accepting AT commands?
>
>I'm trying to advise a someone on getting a modem working.  They
>installed the modem and are using an older version of Kermit
>that is known to work.  They had it working before, to the extent
>that the modem was accepting and echoing AT commands, but now
>they can't even get that much to work.  Something must be different,
>and I don't know whether it's the modem or Kermit.  I'd like to
>verify that the modem is usable before trying anything further
>with Kermit.  Is there a way I can verify this?
>
If the modem is hooked up and working, and Kermit is configured
corrected to use it, you should be able to CONNECT to the modem,
type AT and then press the Enter key, and see the AT letters echo,
and see the response from the modem, either "OK" or "0" depending
on its response mode -- assuming the modem has not been configured
to no-echo, no-response mode.

From the MS-Kermit> prompt, you can type "show communications" to
see all of Kermit's communications-related settings (comm port,
speed, etc) and the status of the modem signals, which are the
essential clues.

- Frank

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From: [e-mail] (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Detecting CD via Script
Date: 10 Apr 1995 21:52:44 GMT
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In article <3m9c8e$[e-mail]>,
Leon Loo <[e-mail]> wrote:
>I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line
>while in a kermit script?  I'm going to a host periodically hangs up.
>
The command is:

  wait <secs> CD

- Frank



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From: [e-mail] (John Price)
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Subject: Tuning Kermit
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We're using kermit to do file transfers from an IBM 3090 through a Cisco
terminal server. After reading the faq, I noticed that Cisco might have
problems with tn3270 emulation, so I tried logging in to a unix machine
(system V release 3 I believe) and using it's tn3270. I get the same
throughput, at about 90 char length packets (oscilates between 89 and 90).

When I set packet lengths above 100, i get lockup. I suspect that our
tn3270 has a maximum packet lenght around 100, which would mean 90 is about
all we could do. Any hints?

John Price
Temple University NOC

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