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Path: wupost!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!gatech!udel!vespucci.iquest.com!not-for-mail
From: racerx@vespucci.iquest.com (Chris Adams)
Newsgroups: alt.sources,comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.misc
Subject: Re: Other Unix Zmodems (was Re: zmtx/zmrx, plagiarized zmodem implementation)
Date: 31 Jul 1994 18:37:00 -0500
Organization: interQuest: Fuel for the Mind
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Message-ID: <31hcis$6fi@vespucci.iquest.com>
References: <31f3vq$65e@vespucci.iquest.com> <CtsLoD.3on@omen.COM> <31gkbu$j6@vespucci.iquest.com> <CttswA.83n@omen.COM>
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In article <CttswA.83n@omen.COM>, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.COM> wrote:
>In article <31gkbu$j6@vespucci.iquest.com> racerx@vespucci.iquest.com (Chris Adams) writes:
>>In article <CtsLoD.3on@omen.COM>, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.COM> wrote:
>>>In article <31f3vq$65e@vespucci.iquest.com> racerx@vespucci.iquest.com (Chris Adams) writes:
>>>>In alt.sources, Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX <caf@omen.COM> wrote:
>>>>>When was the last high performance public domain Kermit released?
>>>>
>>>>Hey, Chuck, when was the last high performance public domain Zmodem
>>>>release?
>>>
>>>Version 2.12 It still beats the fastest Kermit sometimes and
>>>it simply blows away public domain Kermit versions.
>>>
>>>To answer your question more carefully, I compared some file transfers
>>
>>Um, but that wasn't my question. It looks like you are just trying to
>>use my question as an excuse to bash Kermit some more. I asked _when_
>>the last high performance public domain Zmodem released?
>
>You just didn't read my answer. Rz/sz 2.12 is a high
>
>The question of when 2.12 was released is just a read herring.
^^^^
I guess you are too lazy
(see below)
No it wasn't. That is what I wanted to know - WHEN!
>>Also, you say that Version 2.12 "simply blows away public domain Kermit
>>version." But then you ask where a public domain version of Kermit is,
>>saying that you have never seen one. Can't even bash it without
>>contradicting yourself?
>
>With all the flack I've gotten for not putting all my work in the
>public domain I have a right to point out the hypocrisy in such
>attacks. According to Columbia University, Kermit is not in the
>public domain and never has been. Nonetheless, earlier versions
>of Kermit distributed by "The Source" were free for developers to
>include in their software. Maybe there is no public domain Kermit
>for DOS or Unix, but what was available is certainly not as
>proprietary as Columbia's recent releases.
>
>As shown by the very slow transfer between C-Kermit and Telix,
>public domain Kermit got its reputation for slow file transfers
>the hard way: it *earned* it.
I don't see what you said as pointing out the hypocrisy in such attacks.
I see it as deliberate misinformation to try to skew the results in your
favor. You still have not ever shown that there was a public domain
version. Free is _not_ public domain. Yet you still bash "public
domain Kermit" in the next paragraph.
>>By the way, I tried last year to ask Mr. Forsburg where I could get
> ^^^^^^^^
>Too lazy to spell my name correctly.
I really resent this. I suppose that you have never made a typing
mistake?
>>information on programming my own version of Zmodem into a communication
.
.
>>for programming info, I got a reply that if I didn't know the
>>difference, he didn't want me programming Zmodem. Further emails were
>>ignored.
>
>Considering all the poor quality protocol implementations
>various programmers have loosed on the public, my concern that
>the reputation of ZMODEM would not be well served by the output
>of yet another novice communications programmer is well
>founded.
>
>Finally, I have no obligation to provide free consulting
>services to a non customer who intends to compete with my source
>of income.
I agree with you there that you have no obligation to help me with
anything. However, you never said that when I asked for information.
First you implied that I was stupid and then you said that you did not
want me programming Zmodem (I don't care what you want me to do). You
don't have control over whether I program Zmodem or not.
What do you care if I write a poor implementation? Then you can point
out that it is not good, and try to sell more copies of your
implementation. Also, how do you know that I would write a poor
implementation? Just because I have never written Zmodem before doesn't
mean I can't do a good job. I suppose you never sold any of the first
version of anything? If I were to write Zmodem into my program, I would
test it thoroughly. I know quite a few people who would be willing to
help.
The reason people attack you is not because you won't place Zmodem in
the public domain, but because of the way you attack everyone else and
your attitude in general. I know that I will not ever buy any of your
programs because of your attitude and responses to me.
--
Chris Adams
racerx@iquest.com
United States Space Academy Simulations Director and Trainer
"With friends like these, who needs halucinations?" - Buddy, 'Night Court'