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- Submitted-by: ahby@ui.org (Shane McCarron)
-
- I received the following from the POSIX Chair, Jim Isaak.
-
- Forwarded message:
-
- Shane,
- I believe your recomended resolution for limiting the IR
- voting members is responsive to the concern raised in the balloting
- that IR's might dominate the SEC voting membership. In effect your
- suggesting that only IR's can fill the 20% "at large" seats, and that
- other interested parties must seek some other voting position (like
- a SEC officer or WG chair).
-
- However, most of your assertions in your distributed note were
- not focused at this point, and many were misleading or in-correct.
-
- I would ask you to consider my comments below, and if you
- agree, distribute a corrective note to the same distribution list as
- your initial comments. (I have no problem with your objective or
- conclusion, only the retoric used in promoting it).
-
- 1. IR's are not limited to user organizations, vendor consortia and
- other groups are welcome as well.
-
- 2. Representation of individuals and organizations in POSIX does NOT
- typically include SEC voting membership. As such, the IR's
- without an SEC vote have as much voice (more actually) than
- an individual that participates directly.
-
- 3. Any attendee or written submission can speak for an organization.
- This is NOT prohibited, it is allowed, and at times, encouraged.
- For example, we have had formal positions from AT&T, IBM, and
- NIST represented at times that I can recall off hand. And at
- times we specifically ask someone to speak (if they are authorized
- to do so) for their organization.
-
- 4. If we fail to listen to IR's at the SEC level, that is a cause for
- great concern. I hope that voting membership in the SEC is not
- needed, since the 20% you propose will not allow all the current
- IR's to hold such status.
-
- If we are failing to do this, the issue should be raised as high
- as needed to correct the situation ("listen" does not mean "agree",
- but it does mean understand and have rational response.)
-
- [we have 40 identified voting members of the SEC, with 10
- IR's, assuming SPARC International is accepted at the Jan.
- meeting; that is 25%.]
-
- 5. The general public ability to attend and participate in the SEC voting
- activity is not affected by the IR voting status. The public is
- welcome to attend or send in written input, but not to vote.
- Those individuals and organizations that are members of IR groups,
- (DEC is a member of 6 or 7 of the SEC IR's...) will lose that
- specific vote in the SEC, although the IR could obtain a voting
- position via the "Member at large" pool, becoming an SEC officer,
- or a steering committee or working group chair.
-
- Your proposal does not identify a way to maximize the overall
- representation of constituancies that are not represented in
- the SEC otherwise. Nor is it clear that this is the objective.
-
-
- 6. It is not clear why allocating the limited % of voting seats to
- some "IR's" as opposed to "Members at large" might cause a loss of
- industry support for the POSIX work. But that would be a serious
- problem if it were to occur.
-
-
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- Shane P. McCarron ATT: +1 201 263-8400 x232
- Project Manager UUCP: s.mccarron@ui.org
-
- Remember - only Nixon could go to China.
-
- Volume-Number: Volume 26, Number 68
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