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- Submitted-by: jmcarli@ns.PacBell.COM (Jerry M. Carlin)
-
- In article <1991Jul3.193636.8734@uunet.uu.net> epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes:
- >Submitted-by: epstein@trwacs.uucp (Jeremy Epstein)
- >In article <1991Jul2.224427.784@uunet.uu.net>, peter@Sugar.NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva) writes:
- >> Submitted-by: peter@Sugar.NeoSoft.com (Peter da Silva)
- >>
- >> In article <1991Jun28.192719.17816@uunet.uu.net> jmcarli@ns.PacBell.COM (Jerry M. Carlin) writes:
- >> > The BIG problem I see with 1003.6 is lack of I&A; identification and
- >> > authentication...
-
- >I'm a member of the 1003.6 working group, but speaking for myself only...
- >
- >All of these ideas are good ones, but they miss the point. 1003.6 is
- >extending 1003.1 and 1003.2 to add security relevant features. 1003.1
- >has no mention of either login or passwd; 1003.2 mentions passwd (although
- >I'm not sure that it will make it into the standard), but with many weasel-
- >words...
-
- Then 1003.6 is mostly useless and since it really does not address security
- in a comprehensive way it should be called something else. This is like
- saying that we won't worry about networking, windowing systems, your-favorite
- topic because another part of the standard does not consider it. I guess
- we can also forget about system administration. small amount of :-) but
- a larger :-(
-
- >In the near future we'll see many systems which don't even use passwords
- >for authentication (I assume there are already some out there, but I'm
- >not sure). You'll see smart cards, voiceprints, retina scans, fingerprint
- >analysis, etc. It's not a good idea to specify a password-based scheme as
- >a standard when technology is already growing beyond that.
-
- Since passwords will be what most systems use for the forseeable future,
- I don't agree but if you want to extend this arguement, it might be
- noted that the Orange book is obsolete so that its concepts should
- not have been used either! After all, how many systems do we have that
- are not networked and have dumb terminals connected to them (and that
- have no databases).
-
- >...
- >Having said all that, once there is some agreement on a meta-mechanism for
- >authenticating users I think it's entirely reasonable to define a mechanism
- >for rules...
-
- That is a good idea. I'd support that especially if it were coupled with
- a framework whereby users could plug in authentication mechanisms (smart
- cards, passwd.c with rules, etc.)
-
- >Incidentally, 1003.1 has no notion of what a "user" is, which means breaking
- >major new ground for any such extensions.
-
- Does 1003.1 have notions of system administration, windowing systems,
- networks and the like?
-
- >1003.6 will be going to ballot soon (I hope!) with the current proposed
- >standard...
-
- And I'll vote against it as incomplete and urge others to do the same.
- Without I&A the standard is not anything close to a comprehensive
- "security" standard at all. I'd rather see nothing than such a standard.
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