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- Submitted-by: randall@Virginia.EDU (Randall Atkinson)
-
- In article <1991Jun25.214723.7644@uunet.uu.net>,
- Peter Collinson <pc@hillside.co.uk> writes:
- >Submitted-by: pc@hillside.co.uk (Peter Collinson)
- >
- >USENIX Standards Watchdog Committee
- >Stephen R. Walli <stephe@usenix.org>, Report Editor
- >1003.7: System Administration
- >
- >Martin Kirk <m.kirk@xopen.co.uk> reports on the April 15-19,
- >1991 meeting in Chicago, IL:
-
- >Inevitably this change of direction led to charges that the group was
- >inventing hand-over-fist, rather than following the ``traditional''
- >standards model of codifying existing practice.
-
- Judging from comments below, they are still ignoring existing
- practice in historical UNIX-derived systems in some cases.
- If true, this is A Bad Thing.
-
- >Part of the motivation for this decision was recognition that the
- >problem space is vast and that trying to attack it over too large a
- >front was a suicidal manoeuvre. There was also an increased awareness
- >of the related work of other organizations, such as the OSI Network
- >Management Forum, the OSI Implementer's Workshop Network Management
- >SIG, and X/Open. As this other work comes to fruition, it will be
- >available for use by POSIX.7 and will likely solve some of the
- >thornier problems, such as interoperability.
-
- One would certainly hope that they are also tracking and taking
- advantage of the good sized installed base that is already using SNMP
- regularly. With the draft security extensions now published by the
- IETF, SNMP has a good body of real-world experience. It would be best
- if the POSIX.7 group tried to use that leverage to devise a good
- standard. This isn't an OSI vs. TCP/IP thing; they should take
- advantage of the experience of both groups.
-
- While network management is becoming better understood, it isn't
- entirely a solved problem yet and I hope the POSIX.7 folks will be
- careful in what they choose to standardise.
-
- > An obvious source of candidate management tasks can be found in the
- > existing administrative command set on the systems around us, and it
- > would be a perverse decision indeed to introduce gratuitous changes to
- > the style of that interface.
-
- Not only the style but also the content. Standardise what already
- is historical practice and try to avoid inventing new features
- without actual implementation and user experience.
-
- >The Print Management work is based on the MIT Palladium printing
- >system, which has the benefit of being well-aligned with the emerging
- >ISO distributed printing standard, DIS 10164.
-
- Palladium reportedly has an interface unlike those on historical
- systems. I'd much rather see lp/lpr and lprm/lpstat be standardised
- as user interfaces than something unfamiliar to virtually all of
- the existing users.
-
- >Software Management has enjoyed a resurgence of interest within
- >POSIX.7 over the last 6 months, with source material being drawn from
- >DEC, HP, AT&T and Siemens-Nixdorf.
-
- But is it based on historical systems ?
- What kinds of tools are being standardised here ?
-
- >The third area, User Environment Management is a logical candidate for
- >inclusion in the initial set of sub-projects.
-
- What is being managed here besides user-addition ?
- Could someone give examples maybe ?
-
- Randall Atkinson
- randall@Virginia.EDU
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- Volume-Number: Volume 24, Number 25
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