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- From: pkr@sgi.com (Phil Ronzone)
-
- In article <790@longway.TIC.COM> sms@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Steven M. Schultz) writes:
- > short of soldiers with M16s at a computer facility door i do not
- > believe that software is any substitute for physical security.
- > it's just one more password that has to be spread around (in
- > case the SSO or whoever) goes on vacation, etc...
-
- Argument of two different fruits here.
-
- As an example, we purchased an AT&T 630 (386 PC type machine) to run
- AT&T SV/MLS (B1 UNIX). We had AT&T put the software on, and they set,
- as is required the passwords.
-
- But they forgot to tell us what the passwords were. Although we had
- physical possesion of the machine, in a company that also make computers,
- it would have taken us a while to "boot" the system (i.e., insecurely).
-
- And we would have been able to do that ONLY because of the fact that the
- machine used standard disks with "standard" UNIX filesystems and so on.
-
- Whereas the same hardware with normal UNIX would have very vulnerable.
-
- A safe protects your money, but if a huge helicopter steals the safe
- and you have weeks to work on it, you can open it.
-
-
-
- >>I disagree again -- I think the recent Internet worm is an example of why.
- >
- > now it's my turn to disagree. sheesh, why does the worm have to
- > be brought up everytime security is discussed? it was a BUG that
- > was exploited, and i for one do not think that adding security
- > will do away with BUGs in software. on the contrary, as the
-
- Eh? That's the WHOLE point of Orange book security and the TCB concept.
- Those programs would have never made it into the TCB and been able to
- propagate like they did. Although it is not the best example.
-
- The answer was more to WHY would someone want security. Answer is, to
- control what you have your system do.
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