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- NCSA Telnet Digest Thursday, 15 Oct 1987 Volume 1 : Issue 2
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- Today's Topics:
- Thanks to NCSA, some questions, and some suggestions.
- bug list
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- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 87 14:14:06 EDT
- From: "Collins, Herman" <SYSHERM%UKCC.BITNET@UIUCVMD>
- Subject: Thanks to NCSA, some questions, and some suggestions.
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-
- Recently, I FTPed the Mac version of the NCSA Telnet 2.0, and it seems
- to work just great. We have been using the 1.12 version occasionally
- for some time, but we're really just starting to use TCP/IP here. We're
- getting the hardware and software to run TCP/IP on our IBM 3081 in a
- couple of weeks, so I expect that we'll being using it a lot more soon.
-
- First, thanks to NCSA for making this program available. It works, and
- you sure can't beat the price. I am very glad to hear they are going to
- make the source code available -- as a systems programmer, I get nervous
- about relying on a program for which I don't have the source code.
- Plus, there are a lot of good programmers out in net-land, and we should
- be able to get a lot of nifty enhancements. The discussion list is a
- good idea, too.
-
- Second, the new documentation is beautiful. Too bad it wan't there
- when I first FTPed the new Telnet. ;-) I spent a while figuring out
- that the "hosts" file that the 1.12 version used has been replaced
- by the "config.tel" file. This is fine, but it really should be
- mentioned in the "READ.ME" file. Also, the Telnet program still says
- "Cannot find or open hosts file" if "config.tel" is missing. I assume
- that the "@M" and "@G" flags from the old hosts file are no longer
- needed in the new file. The READ.ME file needs to be updated -- it
- still refers to the ch1-6.Hqx files, which are no longer there. I did
- figure out how to use the new name server facility. This is great;
- good work.
-
- I noticed that the Word (TM) files are "chained" together, so that if
- you open and print the title page, it prints everything. Perhaps this
- could be mentioned in the READ.ME file. I selected all of the files
- and pulled down PRINT, which gave me LOTS of copies of the later
- sections. In addition, my 1M MacPlus couldn't load all of the files to
- print them, and I had to break the chain after chapter five.
-
- Third, I have a whole list of questions and suggestions about the Mac
- Telnet. They may be naive, but remember I'm new to the TCP/IP world.
- I'll try to start out with some specific questions, and then move to
- more general ones.
-
- I was suprised when the command key didn't work as the control key, but
- the option key did instead. This is probably OK; the option key makes
- more sense in general, because there are no "dead" keys, and you have
- access to the command key functions. I found the command key switch
- under Emulation, but is there any way to make this setting persist
- across lauches? I'm used to using a terminal emulator that makes the
- command key the control key, and I'm having a terrible time switching
- back and forth. I keep typing command-d to get off of a Unix machine,
- and I get the Change Default Directory dialog box instead. This should
- at least be mentioned in the READ.ME file, since it's different from the
- 1.12 version.
-
- The first time I tried to use the new Telnet program I got messages
- about "AppleTalk Initialization Failed" and "Couldn't Install Listener".
- I rebooted and tried again, and everything was OK. If this occured
- because the old drivers were still active, perhaps it should be
- mentioned in the READ.ME file, too.
-
- If I connect to an unknown host name, then Open gives no indication that
- it couldn't find the host. A connection for that host will be listed
- under Connections, but it will be dimmed. The "connection" must be
- broken by pulling down Close. The same thing happens if I try an IP
- number that's not in use anywhere. A warning box really should be
- displayed.
-
- If I pull down Quit and still have a connection open, nothing happens.
- I realize you are supposed to close all connections first (even the
- funny "half connections" described above), but a warning box would be
- be nice.
-
- The documentation says that the Kinetics Gateway software does not
- support dynamic IP assignment, but the MacIP Telnet (02-Dec-85) that we
- sometimes use seems to do this just fine -- it makes the AppleTalk net
- number and port number the last two octets of the IP number. We're
- using the "combgw" code (beta, Jan 27, 1987) from Kinetics. We would
- really like to use dynamic assignment, because we could avoid managing
- lots of IP numbers, and also avoid reconfiguring the NCSA Telnet each
- time somebody wants a copy. There is a "dynamic assignment" button, but
- it's unselectable -- could this be allowed, or it there something I'm
- overlooking?
-
- Why does the NCSA Telnet act as an FTP server, instead of an FTP
- client? Because of this, I can't FTP directly to my Mac unless I have a
- userid on the target machine. If I want to FTP something (like the new
- NCSA Telnet) I have to logon to another campus machine, FTP the files to
- that machine, then FTP them to my Mac (I can't find an FTP "proxy" that
- works either). Am I overlooking something here?
-
- As I mentioned above, we are putting our IBM 3081 onto the Internet, and
- as soon as we do, our users will want full screen access to it. Are
- there any plans to add tn3270 support to the Telnet program? Is this
- practical? I could do at least some work on this myself -- is there any
- public code I could start from?
-
- In the same vein, our users would like to get mail delivered directly to
- their Macs. Would a protocol like POP2 be usable with the NCSA Telnet?
- Has anybody worked on this? Of course, we would also need a POP2 server
- for the 3081, but that's another problem.
-
- I realize that we're getting a lot more support than we pay for on this
- program, but I am willing to do some coding myself. When the source is
- available, let me know. What language & compiler are you using? Is
- this a native Mac compiler?
-
- Again, thanks for everything.
-
- Herman Collins
- SYSHERM@UKCC (BITNET)
-
- "Don't follow leaders; watch your parking meters." B. Dylan
-
-
- [ Some of these issues are addressed in the 2.0 documentation
-
- - Gaige ]
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- Date: Wed, 14 OCT 1987 13:44
- From: timk@ncsa (Tim Krauskopf, NCSA)
- Subject: bug list
-
- We will be posting a bug list for NCSA Telnet version 2.0, but there is one
- bug we need to get posted early:
-
- The Mac dynamic H,L,N addressing does not work in version 2.0. Since we don't
- use it here, it wasn't caught early enough. This was left out of the compile
- during testing. If you can't wait for this to be fixed in 2.1, send us a
- note and we will try to work something out.
-
- Tim Krauskopf
- National Center for Supercomputing Applications (NCSA)
- University of Illinois
-
- timk@newton.ncsa.uiuc.edu (ARPA)
- 14013@ncsavmsa (BITNET)
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