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orbital-digest       Tuesday, November 13 2001       Volume 02 : Number 454




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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:24:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Pseudonaut <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it

> One, I don't think disc 2 was released until after
> The Altogether first
> came out.  Two, it's pretty sad that the only
> b-sides they offer are
> from the PREVIOUS album, as well as just a few from
> the current one.
>
true, disc 2 has older songs on it.  however, both
disc 2s of u.s. in sides were chock full of old
material and most of us hold those near and dear to
our hearts.  the way i see it, good music is good
music, no matter when it is released.  if the ozric
tentacles or tangerine dream came out with a
compilation of stuff previously not available in the
u.s., you know you'd snatch that up without complaint
brendan ;)

> They aren't "evolving"!  If sucking corporate dick
> and throwing as much
> pop culture bullshit as the newest Garbage album
> (RIP, Garbage...) is
> your idea of evolving, then I don't want any part of
> it.  They aren't
> "recreating something they did years ago".  Hell,
> the previous album was
> fucking awesome!  That was only 2-3 years ago.
>
> All of the past Orbital albums (except the first
> one) had two things in
> common: strings and emotion.  There is no emotion in
> this album.  It's
> all garbage.  About the only song I could say was
> "Orbital quality" on
> that album is Meltdown.
i think the thing here that you're perhaps missing is
that there is an overall change of mood on this album,
it's a bit more jolly and fun, and well, it's hard to
express jollines with strings.  as steve martin once
discussed, it's hard to play a sad song on a banjo.
the emotion is there, but perhaps it's a different one
than you were looking for.  no one outside of goth and
emo (shudder) bands can remain depressed or angry at
the world forever.  and if they do, it starts to seem
like old hat, and people get sick of it.  "oh orbital,
they're that melodramatic electronic group, right? no
thanks."  while i agree that the sad or overly
emotional songs on in sides and snivilisation are
probably my favorite by orbital, i can't say that the
altogether is completely devoid of emotion.  as poppy
as you may think it is, i feel that one is enough is
chock full of emotion.

just my 2 cents
brandon invergo

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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:36:27 -0700 (MST)
From: Ben Knowles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) wow. posts.

well, it didn't take brenden long to get the temperatures rising. witness:

> They aren't "evolving"!  If sucking corporate dick and throwing as
> much=20 pop culture bullshit as the newest Garbage album (RIP,
> Garbage...) is=20 your idea of evolving, then I don't want any part of
> it.  They aren't=20 "recreating something they did years ago".  Hell,
> the previous album was=20 fucking awesome!  That was only 2-3 years
> ago.

damn, have an opinion much? try an "imho" here and there, kiddo.

> All of the past Orbital albums (except the first one) had two things
> in=20 common: strings and emotion.  There is no emotion in this album.
> It's=20 all garbage.  About the only song I could say was "Orbital
> quality"  on=20 that album is Meltdown.

we agree on this - meltdown is good. i also like waving not drowning quite
a bit (but nobody else seems to), and funny break is nicely melodic. the
bonus disc would kick ass for mock tudor alone (7/4 time signature
anyone?) except that i already had all the songs! well, except for
beezlebeat and funny break (weekend ravers), which i quickly nabbed on
mp3. :)

but in general the album is indeed a disappointment. (although not too
much worse than MoN imho!) HOWEVER, the live show was not a disappointment
at all - far from it! they absolutely kicked ass, and if you haven't seen
them yet you better make some arrangements. watching phil tweak that 303
up close (5 ft) during impact and chime was about as cool as it gets.

nub

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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:02:12 -0800
From: "Kevin Gomes" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it

Haha, this kind of stuff amuses me.  I have heard the new cd and for the
most part, it is shit.  I think Phil and Paul have to stop trying to be
good, because they are good, they don't need to try.  To many acts nowadays
(ex. the orb, autechre) are trying so hard to be original and fresh that
they forget that people already like their music so they are obviously doing
something right.  I see the alltogether as more inspired by the current
music scene than by the brother themselves.  David Grey?   And seriously,
how can you like Tootled?  I have heard better things made with a $30 Casio
keyboard.  I have on quite a few occasions thrown that song on for people to
get their reactions and everyone says, "What is this shit, Turn it off."
And then I say that it's Orbital and they "That's too bad."  Would you like
this music if it wasn't Orbital?  What if someone played that for you and
said it was a new band?  Then would you buy the cd?  The fact that you have
to force yourself to listen to it to acquire a likeing for it should tell
you something about it.  Maybe you like it because it's Orbital and not
because of the musical content.  And also, the fact that one of the remixes
is called the Weekend Raver's mix is pretty pathetic.  Even if it wasn't
done by them, it's still on their cd.  Like come on, let's try to jump on
the whole rave scene bandwagon some more.  Even though this is probably more
the record company, but still.  I think it's definitely a good thing that
they left their old label.  Now, maybe they can release some actual good
music.  Send your flames if you want to, but I know I am not alone in this
view for others have expreessed it to me privately and the fact that the
list is dying also says something.  I myself listen to everything
objectively.  I let the artist's reputation influence me less than the
actual music since we listen to the music, not the reviews.

This was not directed at any one individual but at many of you.  I hope this
message will at least make you think about why you like The Alltogether.
Don't make Phil and Paul pop stars.

take care
kevin

>
> What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even listening to
> it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think several people were
> even trashing the new Crystal Method CD in the same way... That's their
> loss! Although it took me a couple of listens before I totally fell in
love
> with it, I must say- The Altogether is pure GENIUS! Because of your
baseless
> prejudgement, you completely missed out on the finest show of the year.
The
> Hartnoll brothers are advanced musical entities (Gods if you will),





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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:26:44 -0800
From: "Kevin Gomes" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it

That's quite funny, since Halcyon is by no means depressing and it is
totally upbeat and it is totally full of emotion.  And yes it has strings.
It is also the song that most people know Orbital by, so I can't see anyone
classifying Orbital as melodramatic.  You are right, emotion can be both
positive and negative, but The Alltogther lacks any sort of feeling or
emotion.  It sounds like it was made in about five minutes with no thought
put into any of it.  Phil and Paul definitely did not project themselves
into this album just as most of the shit music out there is void of any
human emotion as well.  But I guess that someone could even argue that
Britney Spears and the Backstreet boys have emotion in their music.
However, it does not mean that it exists.  We can talk about unicorns, but
that doesn't make them real.

And to the people who require an imho in order to understand that a message
that is written by a person is their opinion, piss off.  It is pretty
obvious that this is my opinion, I don't need to say that it is.

kevin

> i think the thing here that you're perhaps missing is
> that there is an overall change of mood on this album,
> it's a bit more jolly and fun, and well, it's hard to
> express jollines with strings.  as steve martin once
> discussed, it's hard to play a sad song on a banjo.
> the emotion is there, but perhaps it's a different one
> than you were looking for.  no one outside of goth and
> emo (shudder) bands can remain depressed or angry at
> the world forever.  and if they do, it starts to seem
> like old hat, and people get sick of it.  "oh orbital,
> they're that melodramatic electronic group, right? no
> thanks."  while i agree that the sad or overly
> emotional songs on in sides and snivilisation are
> probably my favorite by orbital, i can't say that the
> altogether is completely devoid of emotion.  as poppy
> as you may think it is, i feel that one is enough is
> chock full of emotion.




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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:08:30 -0800
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Altogether

> What are you talking about?  Tootled was just a rip-off of a
> Tool song.
> An extremely overplayed Tool song at that.  It's horrible.

My point was that I had heard the song in Phil Hartnoll's dj mix and I liked
it so much I was trying to find out what it was (I asked people on loopz
board by mentioning the time the song started, etc)... it was before I knew
it was the new Orbital.  So imagine how pleased I was to find out that the
song I was in search of really was from my favorite band.

I really didn't think it was them because Phil played a lot of other
non-Orbital stuff.

BTW I didn't realize it was Tool until much later when someone posted about
it online.

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 00:36:49 -0800
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it

> And seriously, how can you like Tootled?  I have heard better
> things made with a $30 Casio keyboard.  I have on quite a few
> occasions thrown that song on for people to get their reactions
> and everyone says, "What is this shit, Turn it off."

I really do think Tootled is a good song.  It just sounds 'cool' I don't
know how to describe it.  I only wish the mental part sounded more mental
(and more like it did when they played it live).  That's my only complaint..
the climax of the song doesn't sound powerful enough.

> is called the Weekend Raver's mix is pretty pathetic.  Even
> if it wasn't done by them, it's still on their cd.

Weekend Raver's mix was done by them.. and the title sounds like a joke to
me.  Did anyone else get that impression?

> Send your flames if you want to, but I know I am not alone in this
> view for others have expreessed it to me privately and the
> fact that the list is dying also says something.

Why do people express it only in private?  It's nothing to be ashamed of.
I'm not ashamed to admit that I don't like Oi! and Pay Per View that much...
but I love the album as a whole.

Also I think the list is dying because everyone has moved to the Loopz
boards... those are going pretty strong I believe.

But there did seem to be less people at their live shows this time around.
I hope it's just due to poor promoting and bad timing.

Shaun



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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:17:36 +0100 (CET)
From: Trym B Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) testing

Quoting Mike Barker <[e-mail]>:
> I read your letter before composing my reply and reread it after receiving
> your follow-up message. I still believe that you have not listened to this
> release. Here's what Websters dictionary says about the word listen-

*snip*
oh, thank you for telling me what it means to listen to something, i was afraid
that after having been living and breathing music for nearly the past fifteen
years I had become incapable of appreciating, or *listening* to music.

> 5. To pay attention; heed:
> I know you have not LISTENED to this CD, not even once. For example,
> there are 11 tracks on the CD and none of them struck you as "ingenious and
> capturing like past efforts from the brothers"???

So, pay attention to me when I _again_ say that I HAVE listened to the cd, and I
still do not find it as good as any of the past albums. For the most part, as I
said in my original letter, many tracks are re-vamps of old ones, or slight
twists of b-sides of recent years (Illuminate, Doctor ?, Funny Break even). And
Tootled (and I'll dare include Waving Not Drowning) are like Kevin suggested
something someone a bit more clever than me could beat with my old Casio with
ocean, car-horn and space presets (which is the same as his $30 one). Waving
with twisted horns and a stomach-wrenching pattern of sawtooth-ish synth.
Meltdown, possibly Shadows, could stand out as decent pieces but still not any
better than the "mediocre" (dare I say 'filler' to this crowd?) tracks on past
albums. With so many tracks that I still do not, after having "listened" to the
CD, appreciate, this is one album I just can't get into. I had trouble getting
into MoM to begin with, but it grew on me, this one doesn't. Plain simple.

If I have to concede one defeat of my own opinion, it's that I really like the
Layo & Bushwhacka Up remix of Funny Break, but that's not really Orbital then,
is it?

> Maybe you let other sour-puses on this list who want to hear recycled
> old tracks on each new Orbital release pollute your mind before you gave
> the new CD a fair chance.

No, I just want to hear good tracks, not cramped efforts at making something
good. The same with the recent Autechre, cramped drill'n'bass which is another
cd i've not returned to. So, like Kevin said, if maybe these favourites of mine
didn't put in these cramped efforts, they would create some much more inspiring.

> Anyway, I acknowledge that my opinion will differ from most people and
> that's fine with me. How pathetic life would be if we all agreed on
> everything.
>  Cheers to diversity without adversity!

Hell no ;), where did that idea come from? How can you ever be convinced if
you're not fired up about your opinion and then later come to an understanding
of that the alternative opinion might actually be better? If diversity doesn't
cause adversity, you simply aren't engaged or _into_ your opinion (it could
someone else's). That probably made no sense... but it just invites this sort of
discussion. :-)

And btw, list revival seems imminent.

/trym

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:21:44 -0800
From: "Mike Barker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it

Is there anyone out there who caught a show from the recent tour and still
thinks the new cd sucks???

- -Mike Barker




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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:37:12 -0800
From: "Mike Barker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) testing

>  Cheers to diversity without adversity!

All I meant by this line is that I am not interested in declaring war on
anyone over their  opinions about music. I'm not participating in this
discussion to create adversaries. But, I do admit that I have a tendency to
do a bit of friendly prodding every now and again, but that's just because
we, as human beings, tend to take ourselves and our opinions way too
seriously. I'd be happy to share a beer with anyone on the list who agrees
or disagrees with me and my opinions.

Cheers to all!!!

- -Mike Barker



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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:42:42 -0000
From: "Roger Bucks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) wow. posts.

> well, it didn't take brenden long to get the temperatures rising. witness:
>  <snipped>
> damn, have an opinion much? try an "imho" here and there, kiddo.

Do we have a FAQ? Is Brendan in it? :)
I think we all kind of have to assume that Brendan won't type imho just like
I assume that all posts here are "imho". imho. :)

> but in general the album is indeed a disappointment. (although not too
> much worse than MoN imho!) HOWEVER, the live show was not a disappointment
> at all - far from it! they absolutely kicked ass, and if you haven't seen
> them yet you better make some arrangements. watching phil tweak that 303
> up close (5 ft) during impact and chime was about as cool as it gets.

Maybe I'm not such a huge fan as I used to be, but I've seen the older tunes
live many times and would like to see some newer tunes that had the same
impact (;)).
It has to be said that  "Know where to run" was amazing with the effects
added (imho) but that was it on MoN.
I guess I found there is more to life than trying to find the Chime CD
single for sale in second hand shops.
I guess that's also why I've moved on to Hybrid as they have a much richer
sound. (The Alanis Morisette remix labelled "Forgive Me" is storming, but so
is their own Wide Angle album). But that's a whole different group.

I didn't even bother to get tickets for the London concert this time when I
could have.

Roger



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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:58:11 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"...

Mike Barker wrote:

 >
 >  I know you have not LISTENED to this CD, not even once. For example, there
 > are 11 tracks on the CD and none of them struck you as "ingenious and
 > capturing like past efforts from the brothers"??? Hmmm that sounds odd to
 > me. Maybe you should read the reply I gave to Brendan, you both seem to be
 > suffering from the same problem(s) (except for the fact that you aren't
 > hostile about your disappointment). I think you probably have a really busy
 > life with lots of stuff going on that gets in the way of your experience of
 > "listening". To me- you merely went through the motions of playing the
 > tracks that you acquired, illegally or otherwise.

You're full of it!  You assume that nobody has "listened" to the album
if they don't think it's "ingenious and capturing like past efforts from
the brothers".  It's not "capturing" and it's not "like past efforts
from the brothers".  The Girl with the Sun in Her Head is ingenious and
capturing, not Illuminate.  Way Out is ingenious and capturing, not Tootled.

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:12:46 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Altogether

Shaun Rader wrote:

>
> My point was that I had heard the song in Phil Hartnoll's dj mix and I liked
> it so much I was trying to find out what it was (I asked people on loopz
> board by mentioning the time the song started, etc)... it was before I knew
> it was the new Orbital.  So imagine how pleased I was to find out that the
> song I was in search of really was from my favorite band.


DJ Mix?  Nevermind.  I don't want to know...

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:23:41 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

Mike Barker wrote:

>
> All I meant by this line is that I am not interested in declaring war on
> anyone over their  opinions about music. I'm not participating in this
> discussion to create adversaries. But, I do admit that I have a tendency to
> do a bit of friendly prodding every now and again, but that's just because
> we, as human beings, tend to take ourselves and our opinions way too
> seriously. I'd be happy to share a beer with anyone on the list who agrees
> or disagrees with me and my opinions.


Well, despite my fierce opinions, I still don't hold a grudge for very long.

So, if I call you a fucking idiot for liking tA, don't worry...it's just
MOFO on the album, and I'll still share a non-beer with you.  (I hate beer.)

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:32:35 -0500
From: "Shannon K. Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) what you get is what you get is what you get. :)

Phil says:
what you get is what you get is what you get. We can't really do anything else
about that.
But it is, essentially, that we enjoy lots of different music. Sometimes we'll
set out to do a
track "In the style of" -- sometimes we do remixes of our tracks for singles
and stuff like
that, and we'll say, "Oh, this is a bit of a dancy number," or something like
that, but not for
the initial track. We normally just sit there, and draw influences from
whatever we're
listening to, or the mood that we're in, and end up coming up with a track
that could be
quite easily done by somebody else, really. I suppose that over time, people
have
hopefully either come to expect that, or accepted that it's what happens with
us. They
either like it or they hate it. You get someone like Underworld -- they're
mates of ours,
and I love their music -- and...well, you know what you're going to get.

Interview:
http://www.splendidezine.com/features/orbital/

ShannON+ON+ON says:
I like not knowing exactly what Orbital will give us next.
This is their strength as artists. That and 20 years of making music!
Even when they do a bit of re-cycling {Oi! and "Surfin' Bird"}.
For me, "Pay Per View" is beautiful and classic-feeling Orbital. {e.g.
"Attached" from Sniv}
What about "Monorail" from B-Sides? WAY-Cooley, yah?
C-yaz!
"altogether, now!" ;^)

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:37:39 -0500
From: Aimee Couture <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"...

>
>You're full of it!  You assume that nobody has "listened" to the album
>if they don't think it's "ingenious and capturing like past efforts from
>the brothers".  It's not "capturing" and it's not "like past efforts
>from the brothers".  The Girl with the Sun in Her Head is ingenious and
>capturing, not Illuminate.  Way Out is ingenious and capturing, not Tootled.

Who ever said that Orbital *had* to be "ingenious and capturing" on every
single track? No-one.
So this album is more upbeat and more fun. So WHAT?!
I enjoy it.
Music reflects the mindset(s) of it's creator(s) so could you possibly
think for just a second that maybe p&p were *gasp* feeling lighthearted
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:07:24 -0800
From: "Mike Barker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"...

Brendan wrote:
> You assume that nobody has "listened" to the album
> if they don't think it's "ingenious and capturing like past efforts from
> the brothers".  It's not "capturing" and it's not "like past efforts
> from the brothers".  The Girl with the Sun in Her Head is ingenious and
> capturing, not Illuminate.  Way Out is ingenious and capturing, not
Tootled.

No, I do not assume this. The quote I used was from someone elses reply to
me. I was merely suggesting one needs an open mind to listen to the new CD.

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:19:12 -0000
From: "Roger Bucks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"...

Mike Barker wrote:
> No, I do not assume this. The quote I used was from someone elses reply to
> me. I was merely suggesting one needs an open mind to listen to the new
CD.

Well, that's fairly limiting as Open Mind is a rare track... I guess you
could download it from somewhere, but it's not the same.

;)

Roger




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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:33:26 +0100 (CET)
From: Trym B Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

Quoting Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>:
> So, if I call you a fucking idiot for liking tA, don't worry...

hey, i resent that comment! j/k (completely off the wall now)

/trym asserson (tA ?)

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:39:40 +0100 (CET)
From: Trym B Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"...

Quoting Mike Barker <[e-mail]>:

> No, I do not assume this. The quote I used was from someone elses reply
> to
> me. I was merely suggesting one needs an open mind to listen to the new
> CD.

mine actually which means we've come full circle...

wonders how long he can keep this going before anyone notices he's not adding
anything of value to this discussion anymore.

but anyway, i feel that this quote has been misused and taken out of context
quite a lot which then makes Aimee reply as she does. of course, it's not every
track which should be [THAT quote], but the overall feel of the whole album. i
mean, there's songs on previous orbital albums i can't really say i fancy that
much either (Quality Seconds springs to mind), but Snivilisation is still what
I feel is the best Orbital album so far. So, important thing about
paraphrasing, people, remember the context of the original paragraph in which
the quote occurred. :-)

/trym

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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:25:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Marc Emile Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Come on baby fuel my fire.

I'm certainly glad to see all this traffic.  I like to think that I hadn't
abandoned this list for the Loopz forum, but I realized I could be
bringing up topics here too.  So, in the interest of making this surge
more than a one night stand, I'd like to discuss music that I've been
getting into recently.

First up is Beaumont Hannant.  Way back when I had my FTP server, someone
uploaded some Autechre EPs, including the Basscadet EP which has a
phenomenal track by Mr. Hannant (beaumonthannanttwomx).  Recently I
decided to see if I could hunt down anything else by him, and I found some
discographies on the net.  He's come out with several LPs back in 93 and
94, but my searches to find hard copies of anything by him have been
fruitless.  No shops I looked in had anything (even indie NY record
shops), no online stores had any (Gemm had a very limited selection of
used stuff), and I couldn't find anything by him on Kazaa (Morpheus or
whatever, media download programs).

Someone on the loopz board tipped me onto Audiogalaxy, which actually had
a considerably amout of his stuff.  So far I've downloaded one full LP,
most of his other 2, and scraps from various EPs.  What I've had a chance
to hear so far (not really listen to yet) has been very good, so I'd
really like to get a hold of his music legally, but it's impossible to
find!  Anyone out there know of him or even have some cds?

Also, FSOL just re-released Accelerator with a 2nd cd full of Papua New
Guinea remixes.  I thought it would be a good introduction to them, so I
picked it up from amazon.co.uk for only ~$19!  Delivery was quick too,
less than a week.  I don't know if it's going to be released in the US, so
that might be your best bet.  Also they just came out with a PNG mutations
album called Translations, which I've heard good things about.

That's it from me, I've got a really bad headache as I turned 21
yesterday. :)

Marc



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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:29:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Pseudonaut <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

>
> So, if I call you a fucking idiot for liking tA,
> don't worry...it's just
> MOFO on the album, and I'll still share a non-beer
> with you.  (I hate beer.)

what? you hate beer?  how can you hate beer?  it's
ingenious, tasty, and intoxicating.  granted, previous
efforts at making alcohol have led to better tasting
beverages, once you're an alcoholic you can force
yourself to like anything in the alcohol family.  i
hated beer for a long time, but now i'm starting to
force myself to like it.  i was the same way with
meade, but that grew on me a little quicker.  maybe
you've never really drank it.  i don't have a
dictionary on hand to give you a definition for
drinking, but i assure you that if you've never really
*drank* it, you wouldn't realize the beauty that is
beer.  have you tried it with pretzels or peanuts??

;)
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:41:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Pseudonaut <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Come on baby fuel my fire.

>
> Also, FSOL just re-released Accelerator with a 2nd
> cd full of Papua New
> Guinea remixes.  I thought it would be a good
> introduction to them, so I
> picked it up from amazon.co.uk for only ~$19!
> Delivery was quick too,
> less than a week.  I don't know if it's going to be
> released in the US, so
> that might be your best bet.  Also they just came
> out with a PNG mutations
> album called Translations, which I've heard good
> things about.
>
while i think Accelerator is a good disc, that was
only their first full length (at least as FSOl, not
sure about other monikers), so i don't feel it's
really representative of their sound.  granted,
they've only had two full lengths after that, those
two (Lifeforms and Dead Cities) are much more similar
in their lack of really dancey beats, much more
ambience going on, and overall flow of the album.
personally i'd say get Lifeforms (be sure to get the
2cd LP, cause there's an EP under the same name with
only 7 tracks on it).  i actually hated it for the
first few months of having it so i shelved it right
away.  later after picking it up again, i was like
"what the hell was i thinking.  this is fucking
brilliant."  i love it when that happens.  same thing
happened with gusgus for me...but i digress.  this is
not to say that Dead Cities isn't fucking brilliant
also.  anyone heard anything recent on FSOL?  i should
talk to my contact at astralwerks...see what's up.

> That's it from me, I've got a really bad headache as
> I turned 21
> yesterday. :)

well happy birthday.  now you don't have to drink beer
illegally like you did in new york :).  naughty...

brandon invergo (i feel the need to put my last name
now cause i think there're more brandons on this list.
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:23:13 -0800
From: "Kevin Gomes" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Screwing up the definition of "listen"...

Okay, what is this nonsense about the alltogether being upbeat.  Some of it
is, but I hardly consider Tootled, Tension, Or Meltdown as upbeat and more
fun.  Music doesn't always reflect the mindset of its creators especially if
they are just looking to fit into the current music scene.
I might as well add here instead of sending another message.  A couple of
people have said that the new album is original and I find this rather
humorous.  Using a folk singer in a songer has been done before (I'm sure
Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen have been guests before).  Sampling an already
famous song (Sober) and using if for the basis of another (Tootled) is by no
means original.  Puff Daddy did it on every other track.  Even using
rock/metal influences is not original, ex. Atari Teenage Riot.  Making
boring house (oi) isn't original, there are thousands of house producers
doing the same.  Using drum and bass influences (Meltdown, exclude the last
half which is actually good) has been done to death, even in TV commercials.
The first half of meltdown actually sounds like they are making fun of drum
and bass with the cheesey glass breaking samples and telephone samples.  But
the sad thing is that they probably aren't.  I can go on further but I
won't.  The point is that there is nothing on this cd that has not been done
to death by others before them.  I do not classify regurgitated ideas as
original.

take care
kevin

PS- I just love a good debate.

> Who ever said that Orbital *had* to be "ingenious and capturing" on every
> single track? No-one.
> So this album is more upbeat and more fun. So WHAT?!
> I enjoy it.
> Music reflects the mindset(s) of it's creator(s) so could you possibly
> think for just a second that maybe p&p were *gasp* feeling lighthearted
> when they recorded this album?




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