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orbital-digest        Monday, November 12 2001        Volume 02 : Number 453




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Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:56:57 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Testing...

Just rejoined (again).  Wondering if anybody was alive.  Did The
Altogether drive away THIS many fans?! :P

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 05:13:25 +0000
From: "SR Cranks" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) testing

Some of us are still here, but the list is very quiet for the most part.
Guess everyone just goes to the Loopz message board.

Welcome back!

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:26:25 +0100 (CET)
From: Trym B Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

still here, although with the altogether (which i still haven't brought myself
to buy) I lost some interest in orbital. the music didn't strike me as ingenious
and capturing like past efforts from the brothers, many tracks were revamped
earlier remixes or b-sides, and all in all i've been a bit standish-off.
guess i need to go to one of their concerts again to rekindle that original
appreication of their music.

on this note though (the Altogether), is the DVD worth buying? Does it contain a
lot extra (of quality that is worth having) other than the tracks?

with all this said, it is not to be claimed that i've abandoned Orbital, they're
just laid on ice for a little while. my fanaticism for their music is too
intricately ingrained in the sub-conscious for me to ever stop listening to them
entirely. :-)

so, scared off to inactivity on the list, but not from the band..

/trym

ps : that, and the fact that i'm loaded with work having returned to university.
;)

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:26:25 +0100 (CET)
From: Trym B Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

still here, although with the altogether (which i still haven't brought myself
to buy) I lost some interest in orbital. the music didn't strike me as ingenious
and capturing like past efforts from the brothers, many tracks were revamped
earlier remixes or b-sides, and all in all i've been a bit standish-off.
guess i need to go to one of their concerts again to rekindle that original
appreication of their music.

on this note though (the Altogether), is the DVD worth buying? Does it contain a
lot extra (of quality that is worth having) other than the tracks?

with all this said, it is not to be claimed that i've abandoned Orbital, they're
just laid on ice for a little while. my fanaticism for their music is too
intricately ingrained in the sub-conscious for me to ever stop listening to them
entirely. :-)

so, scared off to inactivity on the list, but not from the band..

/trym

ps : that, and the fact that i'm loaded with work having returned to university.
;)

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:27:59 +0100 (CET)
From: Trym B Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

still here, although with the altogether (which i still haven't brought myself
 to buy) I lost some interest in orbital. the music didn't strike me as
ingenious
 and capturing like past efforts from the brothers, many tracks were revamped
 earlier remixes or b-sides, and all in all i've been a bit standish-off.
 guess i need to go to one of their concerts again to rekindle that original
 appreication of their music.

 on this note though (the Altogether), is the DVD worth buying? Does it contain
a
 lot extra (of quality that is worth having) other than the tracks?

 with all this said, it is not to be claimed that i've abandoned Orbital,
they're
 just laid on ice for a little while. my fanaticism for their music is too
 intricately ingrained in the sub-conscious for me to ever stop listening to
them
 entirely. :-)

 so, scared off to inactivity on the list, but not from the band..

 /trym

 ps : that, and the fact that i'm loaded with work having returned to
university.
 ;)

pps : wb, brandon!

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:50:49 +0100 (CET)
From: Trym B Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) hmpf

sorry, mail problems...


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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:56:44 -0000
From: "Phil Blake" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) testing

> Some of us are still here, but the list is very quiet for the most part.
> Guess everyone just goes to the Loopz message board.

yeah,i'm still here but mainlt use the loopz forum now.

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 06:47:47 -0800
From: "Mike Barker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it

What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even listening to
it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think several people were
even trashing the new Crystal Method CD in the same way... That's their
loss! Although it took me a couple of listens before I totally fell in love
with it, I must say- The Altogether is pure GENIUS! Because of your baseless
prejudgement, you completely missed out on the finest show of the year. The
Hartnoll brothers are advanced musical entities (Gods if you will),
beckoning us all to open our minds and rise up and resonate at the higher
frequency the exist on!  The new Orbital CD is a very advanced form of music
and not for your average listener. In my mind, Orbital gave us poor bastards
in the US the 2nd disc as a gift for making us wait SOOOOOO long to finally
get the new release, but it was well worth the wait. Beelzebeat & the
Weekend Ravers Mix of Funny break kick some serious ass!  I think the only
thing to be disappointed about is that Phil and Paul will NEVER get to
experience an Orbital show like we (the ones who go to the concert) get to.
Words cannot describe the kewlness of the new CD. Open your mind and GO BUY
IT!!! Now. Or not, it's your choice...

- -Mike Barker




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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:03:04 +0900
From: AJ Miyagi Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

Yea wow, I haven't written to this list for ages. I kind of have not even had time
to write emails to my family or friends back in America at all, so there has def not
been time for the list, but I have to agree with everything Trym said. I am not a
fan of the Altogether, and I have not bought it either. I have (And I think Trym has
too) listened to it, we just didn't like it like other Orbital works. I too, love
ORbital, and although will probably NEVER get to see them live unless they come out
to Tokyo, will never stop ORbital, I just am not listening to them now.
Unfortunetly, my two favorite acts, Orbital and Moby have really dissapointed with
their newest releases (Play for Moby) and I have given them both a break. Luckily I
have found ATB and others to help me through - along with tons of JPOP. Anyway, I
hope that everyone puts out more great music, or comes to Tokyo, or both. I also
hope that I can be less busy with school and work so I can respond to emails, but
what are the chances of that... Anyway, it is good to know that you are all here,
just keeping quiet for the time being... Later.
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 17:27:08 +0100
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orbital) The US-Tour is over, but:

...WHERE are the bootlegs? <:-)
Dudes, come on, on the last tour we had bootlegs of virtually EVERY gig, and now there hasn't
been a single mention of just ONE!..

Bring em on! ;-D

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:57:30 +0000
From: Agust A J <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

</lurk>
well... I'll admit it myself
I bought the cd and...

honestly, it just doesn't fire me up...
I've tried to listen to it a few times under different settings and it just
doesn't do anything for me.
at worst, there's a track or two that I can't stand at all and auto-skip,
and at best...

well, it's been over a month since I last put it on, and even then I didn't
last through it all, I got bored before it ended.

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:07:11 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it

Mike Barker wrote:

> What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even listening to
> it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think several people were
> even trashing the new Crystal Method CD in the same way... That's their
> loss! Although it took me a couple of listens before I totally fell in love
> with it, I must say- The Altogether is pure GENIUS! Because of your baseless
> prejudgement, you completely missed out on the finest show of the year. The
> Hartnoll brothers are advanced musical entities (Gods if you will),
> beckoning us all to open our minds and rise up and resonate at the higher
> frequency the exist on!  The new Orbital CD is a very advanced form of music
> and not for your average listener. In my mind, Orbital gave us poor bastards
> in the US the 2nd disc as a gift for making us wait SOOOOOO long to finally
> get the new release, but it was well worth the wait. Beelzebeat & the
> Weekend Ravers Mix of Funny break kick some serious ass!  I think the only
> thing to be disappointed about is that Phil and Paul will NEVER get to
> experience an Orbital show like we (the ones who go to the concert) get to.
> Words cannot describe the kewlness of the new CD. Open your mind and GO BUY
> IT!!! Now. Or not, it's your choice...

It's called Morpheus.  I'm sorry, but I'm not not going to buy the CD if
it has some fucking Elton John-soundalike on one song, a b-side on
another, and a bunch of mediocre songs for the rest.

As far as the songs that you say "kick some serious ass", those aren't
even on the CD.  Both are b-sides.  I think it's after the brothers
shook their heads in shame and try to make-up for it.

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:10:42 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

AJ Miyagi Brustein wrote:

> Unfortunetly, my two favorite acts, Orbital and Moby have really dissapointed with
> their newest releases (Play for Moby) and I have given them both a break. Luckily I
> have found ATB and others to help me through - along with tons of JPOP. Anyway, I
> hope that everyone puts out more great music, or comes to Tokyo, or both. I also
> hope that I can be less busy with school and work so I can respond to emails, but
> what are the chances of that... Anyway, it is good to know that you are all here,
> just keeping quiet for the time being... Later.

Oh, JPOP...say it ain't so!  Not that I'm not for Japanese music: they
have some great electronica artists, and I dig some of the videogame
soundtracks.  But, ugh...JPOP is always like 10-15 years behind on the
times.  There's still doing 80's style rock ballads and hair bands
(without the hair).

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:09:33 +0000 (GMT)
From: aimee couture <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Testing...

I'm still here :)

I've tried sending messages to the list recently but they've all been
bounced back. Let's see if this works.

*A




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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:11:43 +0000 (GMT)
From: aimee couture <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

As far as the altogether is concerned..

It didn't do that much for me and then I went to a couple of the gigs and
WOW. Now I listen to it like every day.

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:19:46 -0800
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Altogether

I have really liked the cd ever since I heard Tootled in an online dj mix by
Paul Hartnoll.  At that time I had no idea if that was Orbital (I didn't
think it was them but some parts made me think twice) and I tried hard to
find out what that song was.. I was surprised to find out it was an
unreleased song.

I was so happy to hear a cd quality version of that song after hearing it so
much on a crap real audio stream.

Anyways there are only two songs I don't totally dig on the album (Oi! and
Pay Per View).  The rest is top notch if you ask me.

I always have Meltdown stuck in my head.

Shaun



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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:21:49 -0800
From: "Mike Barker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it

Um, what's called "Morpheus"? And just which song are you referring to as
the Elton John-sound alike? I don't hear it. Yes, the 2 songs I mentioned
are from Disc 2, and since I don't fancy myself as much of a music critic=
, I
won't try to bore anyone with my interpretations. I'm merely suggesting t=
hat
when one listens to the new disc, they abandon the pictures, clich=E9s an=
d
stereotypes that they generally use to filter their experience through wh=
en
listening to this particular Orbital release, you won't hear any chime or
halcyon or impact and I'm glad about it. I wouldn't want to hear the
brothers trying to recreate something they did years ago, that would be- =
in
my opinion- rather boring. They are evolving musically and maybe you just
aren't clued into the direction they're going. You don't have to be pisse=
d
off about it. And like I said- It's your choice to buy or not, I certainl=
y
won't lose any sleep over it. But, I do think it is incredibly arrogant o=
f
you to say that the Hartnoll's would even consider releasing a "a bunch o=
f
mediocre songs". Get real! How many full length, ground-breaking CD's hav=
e
you produced over the last 10+ years?

- -Mike Barker

>It's called Morpheus.  I'm sorry, but I'm not not going to buy the CD if
>it has some fucking Elton John-soundalike on one song, a b-side on
>another, and a bunch of mediocre songs for the rest.
>
>As far as the songs that you say "kick some serious ass", those aren't
>even on the CD.  Both are b-sides.  I think it's after the brothers
>shook their heads in shame and try to make-up for it.

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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:28:11 -0800
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) The US-Tour is over, but:

Where did you get bootlegs of the last tour?  Do we still have an ftp up
somewhere?

> ...WHERE are the bootlegs? <:-)
> Dudes, come on, on the last tour we had bootlegs of virtually
> EVERY gig, and now there hasn't
> been a single mention of just ONE!..



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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:44:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Marc Emile Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Hello O-list!

Wow, 16 e-mails in one day!  Even if half of those were from Trym ;),
that's still more traffic than in months.  Welcome back Brendan, I'm
looking forward to reading the flamewar you get into with Mike Barker.

It's true that the loopz forum is the big place to commune right now (I'm
using the screen name neolmas over there if you read), but this list has
some unique aspects that give something to the experience.

My 2 cents on the Altogether... I like it.  I happened to pick up the EU
version when I was is France over the summer, so my first listens were
already biased by being in a state of travel.  After seeing Orbital live
twice on the US tour, though, and having an incredible time at both, I
couldn't help but like the album.  But everyone is entitled to think what
they want about it, that's what leads to interesting discussion.

One of the best things about the tour was getting to meet Steve "Loopz"
Price at both shows, and also meeting Brandon Invergo and Doris (who I
don't think is on this list, but should be).  That means I've met 5 people
on the Orbital mailing list- take that Rob Schultz!  Speaking of Rob, you
still in Spain?  How are you doing?

Also I've recently had the pleasure (well of course I haven't "had the
pleasure" :)) of chatting with Aimee on IM, as well as some other very
nice people from the Loopz board, so not only has Orbital changed my life
with their music, but they've introduced me to some very nice people as
well.

Here's to many more years of good music!
Marc



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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:53:04 -0800
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) Hello O-list!

I met two hardcore Orbital fans at a show in Kansas City.  I think it was
Jay and Anesthasia (sp?) but I'm not sure if they are on this list.

I also met Jeff Fanno at the Hollywood gig briefly.  I had recognized the
shirt he was wearing (a homemade New Age Travelers shirt that I think Digger
or someone else made).

Shaun



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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:41:27 +0100 (CET)
From: Trym B Asserson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) testing

I never said I had not listened to it, and I don't judge without having grounds
for it. Read my mail again and you will see I only wrote i had not bought it,
not that I had not bothered listening to it. These days there's plenty  of ways
that can be done. As such, my 'disappointment' still stands firmly justified.

/trym

> Quoting Mike Barker <[e-mail]>:
> What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even
> listening to it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think several
people ...

sorry if i keep repeating these postings, but the Domotool bounced the last one
(even though it contains this same text, so I assume it reacted to what was in
the quote from Mark) due to content of explicit blah blah blah.. As you see,
it's not flaming at all. :)

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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 06:42:17 -0500
From: SteveC <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Birmingham

Anyone make it to Birmingham last night? Havn't been to sleep yet, it
rocked.

have fun,

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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:19:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Pseudonaut <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hello O-list!

>
> One of the best things about the tour was getting to
> meet Steve "Loopz"
> Price at both shows, and also meeting Brandon
> Invergo and Doris (who I
> don't think is on this list, but should be)

hi!  how'd everything go with the hotel then?  no
problems?  :)

sorry i couldn't let you stay in my hotel
room...wouldn't know how to explain to the people i
was staying with that there was suddenly another guy
sleeping in the room. ;)

right! altogether.  i think it's great, but i can
definitely see where people don't care for it because
it's so different.  it slowly grew on me, but to enjoy
it i had to draw from other areas in my musical
tastes, rather than just being able to like it cause
it's orbital.  did anyone else find that on a lot of
the songs it seems to mash a bit of their old and new
styles into it?  that's what it seemed like to me.
anywho, i still have to actually buy the cd (but
you'll be happy to know i haven't downloaded or burned
it, just borrowed).

ok, and here's a situation.  i'm the director of
electronic music at my school's radio station.  that
means that i get to call up promotion companies and
get free cds and records (i know, life's tough).
anyway, assuming i'm less busy next quarter (which
starts in 2 weeks) i was thinking about making a
little newsletter with my top 10 chart that i have to
send to CMJ and maybe a couple cd reviews and a list
of newish cds that i've gotten in, and then send it
off to my djs.  would you guys like it if i forwarded
that on to the big O list?  that way i can maybe help
bring back some of the old discussions about other
good music.

up till now i haven't really had the desire to go to
the loopz board, though i prolly eventually will.  i
guess i just liked the convenience of it all piling up
in my mailbox, and i was forced to read every last
damn letter or else my box would fill up.  i miss that
:(

later!  off to el station del radio (i don't speak a
lick of spanish...)

brandon invergo

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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:26:47 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Altogether

Shaun Rader wrote:

> I have really liked the cd ever since I heard Tootled in an online dj mix by
> Paul Hartnoll.  At that time I had no idea if that was Orbital (I didn't
> think it was them but some parts made me think twice) and I tried hard to
> find out what that song was.. I was surprised to find out it was an
> unreleased song.

What are you talking about?  Tootled was just a rip-off of a Tool song.
  An extremely overplayed Tool song at that.  It's horrible.

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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:58:46 -0800
From: "Mike Barker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) testing

 I read your letter before composing my reply and reread it after receivi=
ng
 your follow-up message. I still believe that you have not listened to th=
is
 release. Here's what Websters dictionary says about the word listen-

 listen v 1: hear with intention; "Listen to the sound of this cello" 2:
listen and pay attention; "Listen to your father"; 3. To give close
attention with the purpose of hearing; to give ear; to hearken; to attend=
;
4.To make an effort to hear something: listen to the radio; listening for
the bell. 5. To pay attention; heed:

 I know you have not LISTENED to this CD, not even once. For example, the=
re
are 11 tracks on the CD and none of them struck you as "ingenious and
capturing like past efforts from the brothers"??? Hmmm that sounds odd to
me. Maybe you should read the reply I gave to Brendan, you both seem to b=
e
suffering from the same problem(s) (except for the fact that you aren't
hostile about your disappointment). I think you probably have a really bu=
sy
life with lots of stuff going on that gets in the way of your experience =
of
"listening". To me- you merely went through the motions of playing the
tracks that you acquired, illegally or otherwise.

If you are able to make it to any of the remaining shows in the UK, I hig=
hly
recommend that you go because your whole attitude WILL change by the end =
of
the concert, guaranteed! If you live in the states, then you blew your
opportunity to get your mind blown because of your baseless prejudgement.
Maybe you let other sour-puses on this list who want to hear recycled old
tracks on each new Orbital release pollute your mind before you gave the =
new
CD a fair chance.

Anyway, I acknowledge that my opinion will differ from most people and
that's fine with me. How pathetic life would be if we all agreed on
everything.

 Cheers to diversity without adversity!

 -Mike Barker



 ----- Original Message -----
> From: Trym B Asserson <[e-mail]>
> To: Mike Barker <[e-mail]>
> Cc: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:41 AM
> Subject: Re: (orbital) testing
>
>
> > I never said I had not listened to it, and I don't judge without havi=
ng
> grounds
> > for it. Read my mail again and you will see I only wrote i had not
bought
> it,
> > not that I had not bothered listening to it. These days there's plent=
y
of
> ways
> > that can be done. As such, my 'disappointment' still stands firmly
> justified.
> >
> > /trym
> >
> > > Quoting Mike Barker <[e-mail]>:
> > > What??? Are you, crazy? How can you judge a CD without even
> > > listening to it?!?! This seems to be common on this list. I think
> several
> > people ...
> >
> > sorry if i keep repeating these postings, but the Domotool bounced th=
e
> last one
> > (even though it contains this same text, so I assume it reacted to wh=
at
> was in
> > the quote from Mark) due to content of explicit blah blah blah.. As y=
ou
> see,
> > it's not flaming at all. :)
> >
> > .:: trym :: [e-mail] :: [e-mail] :.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > F=E5 din egen @start.no-adresse gratis p=E5 http://www.start.no/
> >
>



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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:01:18 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Judging music without even listening to it

Mike Barker wrote:

> Um, what's called "Morpheus"?


Morpheus is what you use to grab anything on the user space of the=20
Internet.  More or less the newest Napster, except more than music.

> And just which song are you referring to as the Elton John-sound alike?=
 I

> don't hear it.


Illuminate?  That's a no-brainer.  When I heard that, it was just a=20
cherry on top of a really bad album.  I attribute it to Moby and David=20
Grey fans corrupting the Orbital brothers, but that's just MOFO.

> Yes, the 2 songs I mentioned are from Disc 2, and since I don't fancy

> myself as much of a music critic, I won't try to bore anyone with my

> interpretations.


One, I don't think disc 2 was released until after The Altogether first=20
came out.  Two, it's pretty sad that the only b-sides they offer are=20
from the PREVIOUS album, as well as just a few from the current one.

> I'm merely suggesting that
> when one listens to the new disc, they abandon the pictures, clich=E9s =
and
> stereotypes that they generally use to filter their experience through =
when
> listening to this particular Orbital release, you won't hear any chime =
or
> halcyon or impact and I'm glad about it. I wouldn't want to hear the
> brothers trying to recreate something they did years ago, that would be=
- - in
> my opinion- rather boring. They are evolving musically and maybe you ju=
st
> aren't clued into the direction they're going. You don't have to be pis=
sed
> off about it. And like I said- It's your choice to buy or not, I certai=
nly
> won't lose any sleep over it. But, I do think it is incredibly arrogant=
 of
> you to say that the Hartnoll's would even consider releasing a "a bunch=
 of
> mediocre songs". Get real! How many full length, ground-breaking CD's h=
ave
> you produced over the last 10+ years?

They aren't "evolving"!  If sucking corporate dick and throwing as much=20
pop culture bullshit as the newest Garbage album (RIP, Garbage...) is=20
your idea of evolving, then I don't want any part of it.  They aren't=20
"recreating something they did years ago".  Hell, the previous album was=20
fucking awesome!  That was only 2-3 years ago.

All of the past Orbital albums (except the first one) had two things in=20
common: strings and emotion.  There is no emotion in this album.  It's=20
all garbage.  About the only song I could say was "Orbital quality" on=20
that album is Meltdown.

Anyway, I did a long review of the whole album on the ML on 5/5/2001=20
(for those who keep an archive), and most of it on RollingStone.com (I=20
think it's the only review for Altogether on there).  If you want any=20
more of my opinions, go there.

Oh yeah...I got it on my web archive here:

http://www.resonatorsoft.org/cgi-bin/rpgboard/viewer.cgi/orbital/3AF45C3C=
00000353.html

- --=20
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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:11:53 -0500
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Hello O-list!

Marc Emile Sawaya wrote:

> Wow, 16 e-mails in one day!  Even if half of those were from Trym ;),
> that's still more traffic than in months.  Welcome back Brendan, I'm
> looking forward to reading the flamewar you get into with Mike Barker.


Heh...leave it up to me to spark e-mails on this ML.  And don't worry: a
flamewar is already in progress :)


> It's true that the loopz forum is the big place to commune right now (I'm
> using the screen name neolmas over there if you read), but this list has
> some unique aspects that give something to the experience.


I guess I'll have to check it out.  Are they still using DiscussionApp?
  Hey, I'm still here if Steve wants to setup a ML bridge on the web
(like mine).  RPGBoard's got a DiscussionApp header style anyway.


> My 2 cents on the Altogether... I like it.  I happened to pick up the EU
> version when I was is France over the summer, so my first listens were
> already biased by being in a state of travel.  After seeing Orbital live
> twice on the US tour, though, and having an incredible time at both, I
> couldn't help but like the album.  But everyone is entitled to think what
> they want about it, that's what leads to interesting discussion.


Well, I'd imagine even Aqua live sound good, but at least the new album
is better than a lot of music out today.  It's just that it's the worst
Orbital album out to-date.  (Well, either that or the "green album".)


> One of the best things about the tour was getting to meet Steve "Loopz"
> Price at both shows, and also meeting Brandon Invergo and Doris (who I
> don't think is on this list, but should be).  That means I've met 5 people
> on the Orbital mailing list- take that Rob Schultz!  Speaking of Rob, you
> still in Spain?  How are you doing?


Heh...how's Brandon doing?  He's the one who introduced me to the OML.


> Also I've recently had the pleasure (well of course I haven't "had the
> pleasure" :)) of chatting with Aimee on IM, as well as some other very
> nice people from the Loopz board, so not only has Orbital changed my life
> with their music, but they've introduced me to some very nice people as
> well.

Yeah, I'll have to wonder over to the Loopz board sometime.

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Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:15:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Pseudonaut <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:(orbital) testing

i think the point that you are missing is that one can
listen to a cd as intently as they want and can still
come away not liking the cd.  in fact, it's possible
that if they did not like it on their first time
through, once they "listen" to it they might even find
more things to hate about it.  have you ever really
*listened* to britney spears' albums?  yet i'm sure
you'd probably say that you don't like them.  and i'm
sure that if you did listen to them, you still
wouldn't like them.  i think he's entitled to listen
to the album a few times and decide he doesn't like
it.

brandon invergo
>
>  listen v 1: hear with intention; "Listen to the
> sound of this cello" 2:
> listen and pay attention; "Listen to your father";
> 3. To give close
> attention with the purpose of hearing; to give ear;
> to hearken; to attend;
> 4.To make an effort to hear something: listen to the
> radio; listening for
> the bell. 5. To pay attention; heed:
>
>  I know you have not LISTENED to this CD, not even
> once. For example, there
> are 11 tracks on the CD and none of them struck you
> as "ingenious and
> capturing like past efforts from the brothers"???
> Hmmm that sounds odd to
> me. Maybe you should read the reply I gave to
> Brendan, you both seem to be
> suffering from the same problem(s) (except for the
> fact that you aren't
> hostile about your disappointment).

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