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orbital-digest         Saturday, June 24 2000         Volume 02 : Number 343




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Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 17:18:35 +0000
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #341 (all of it)

Nub wrote:
>
> i just picked this up a couple days ago. at first i was like "ewww... bt's
> gone pop!" and i still think that's true, but it's growing on me. he still
> has an amazing way with production and attention to detail. so even though
> there's only a few or 4 songs i really like, i still appreciate the sound.
> the soul coughing guy annoys the fuck out of me though (sorry, i know
> that's probably blasphemy to some). yeah, so i'd sum it up with:  great
> production, mediocre music.

Hmph!  That's grounds for me killing you :)  Somebody give this man an MP3 of
Screenwriters' Blues.

> > Nine Inch Nails.  Duh!  I thought everybody knew that.
>
> *sigh*... uncalled for.

Ok, fine...so not everybody knows this internationally-known guy...

> finally, i saw mixmaster morris (one of the best idm-ish djs out there)
> spin at Soma (in boulder, co) last night.  it was pretty good, but sort of
> relentlessly downtempo. i always have trouble dancing to that stuff for
> more than an hour without almost falling asleep. but i must say, he has an
> amazing ability to flawlessly blend genres and different sounds. check him
> out if you're into that sort of thing.

Heh.  Haven't heard anybody use the "mixmaster" prefix in a while.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 09:17:18 +0100 (BST)
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Subject: (orbital) 4 hours left - Omen Remixes 12 inch For Sale

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:09:39 -0600
From: "Mike Henderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker!  Argue against THIS!

> http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html
>
> ...Wow!  In-fucking-credbile!  The amount of dirt in this on the RIAA and
the
> recording industry is unbelievable...

There is one part of her argument that I think is weak. She says that
artists can go on the internet and get "millions of fans" buying their music
and enjoying it, thus making it equitable for the artist. Okay Courtney,
yeah, if you were to release your stuff cheaply on the net by yourself now,
you'd do well. Why? Because you've been promoted around the world by your
record label. Before that, you were famous because you were connected with
Kurt Cobain, who we'd only heard of because his record label promoted him
around the world. So with all that record label-generated publicity, yes,
you will do well on the internet. However, look at mp3.com and
audiogalaxy.com and the like -- there are thousands of artists whose work is
being ignored. I'd be willing to bet the success rate of those
internet-distributed artists is LESS than the 5% success rate of
label-related artists. It is extremely expensive to make someone famous,
barring the rare exceptions caused by word-of-mouth alone, and the average
musician does not have the tools to make themselves famous.

Okay, having said that, I still agree that the labels totally fuck over the
artists, I just want to dispute that the going it alone on the internet is
the way to make things right for the artists.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:35:10 +0100
From: "Chris Harrison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker!  Argue against THIS!

Hi Mike,
 I've not really posted to this list before but I've been on it for a few
 weeks now and couldn't resist joining in on this one....
 I agree its incredibly hard to get noticed amongst the 60,000+ bands on
 mp3.com etc from pure internet exposure alone and without the resources /
 connections of a label. My band iNSTYLUS, has been trying an all out
assault
 on web publicity for a couple of years now. We've put mp3s on mp3.com,
poeplesound.com, getoutthere.bt.com and have had them downloaded a large
 number of times. We've developed an internet site that has been reviewed
 well (www.instylus.co.uk), backed it up with numerous live gigs that have
 been reviewed well, and had positive reviews in industry magazines. But
 there seems to be a massive difference between success when you give
selected tracks away for free, and actually selling your music / getting a
 contract.
 Maybe once you've given a few tracks for free and you are percieved as an
 "interent band" your music is somehow devalued in the mind of the
 downloader, especially as the net is generally thought of as a place where
 everything is free eg napster.
 Anyway, I could go on but won't; just thought I've get it off my chest. If
anyone can visit the site and let us know what you think / tell other people
 about it (or if you have any suggestions for improvements of the site or
 music), it would be much appreciated. The site is at www.instylus.co.uk
 Cheers
 Chris

Original Message -----
 From: "Mike Henderson" <[e-mail]>
 To: "Orbital" <[e-mail]>
> > There is one part of her argument that I think is weak. She says that
> > artists can go on the internet and get "millions of fans" buying their
> music
> > and enjoying it, thus making it equitable for the artist. Okay Courtney,
> > yeah, if you were to release your stuff cheaply on the net by yourself
> now,
> > you'd do well. Why? Because you've been promoted around the world by
your
> > record label. Before that, you were famous because you were connected
with
> > Kurt Cobain, who we'd only heard of because his record label promoted
him
> > around the world. So with all that record label-generated publicity,
yes,
> > you will do well on the internet. However, look at mp3.com and
> > audiogalaxy.com and the like -- there are thousands of artists whose
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:15:30 PDT
From: "Aronne Merrelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #342

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:36:08 +0000
>From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (orbital) Hey, Mr. Booker!  Argue against THIS!
>
>http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html
>
>...Wow!  In-fucking-credbile!  The amount of dirt in this on the RIAA and
>the
>recording industry is unbelievable...
>

yea, everybody read this. then lets all mutually agree to never
spend a dime on anything from the RIAA...
One thing, is that even though the artists do earn practically
no money in some cases, they get lots of exposure. I wonder how
many artists signed to these labels would do it anyway even if
they knew they would be so ripped off.


nub wrote:
> > 2) Don't buy used (unless they're Technics from what I hear)
>
>it seems that the more people i ask, the more tell me "get technics, no
>matter what." at first i thought this was just bogus snobbery, but now i'm
>not so sure. is there anyone out there who has tried technics and, say,
>gemini pt-2000's, and thinks they are comparable? how about the numark
>TT-1's?

I'm no expert on this (I've never tried to mix) but the nice
feature about technics turntables is that there is no belt drive;
the table spins magnetically, from what I've heard. It would seem
that the table itself somehow becomes part of the motor. In any
case this makes them much much more reliable and able to withstand
DJ punishment like scratching & cueing etc...

>one more dj equipment question: has anyone tried to mix on one of those
>dual cd player things? are they worth getting? i played with one once,
>don't know what kind, and had a hell of a time beat-matching, but maybe i
>wasn't using it right. if anyone has suggestions for good brands/features,
>i would be obliged.

There was one at the CMU radio station, and a friend of mine was
fairly decent at using it. I don't remember the brand, but it had
pitch/speed control and cueing, so there wasn't any technical reason
you couldn't use it instead of 2 turntables. I think it just takes
a little more 'getting used to' , since the interface is not as
direct.

>finally, i saw mixmaster morris (one of the best idm-ish djs out there)
>spin at Soma (in boulder, co) last night.  it was pretty good, but sort of
>relentlessly downtempo. i always have trouble dancing to that stuff for
>more than an hour without almost falling asleep. but i must say, he has an
>amazing ability to flawlessly blend genres and different sounds. check him
>out if you're into that sort of thing.
>

cool... going to see him tonight in Costa Mesa :-)
I'm expecting to dance the night away, so it sounds like I should
be set. ehhehe.



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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 12:56:18 +0000
From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #341 (all of it)

At 17:18 20.6.2000 +0000, Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote:
> > > Nine Inch Nails.  Duh!  I thought everybody knew that.
> > *sigh*... uncalled for.
>Ok, fine...so not everybody knows this internationally-known guy...
the point is, it would have been enough to say "Nine Inch Nails".
the rest of the line can be interpreted as an insult.

we went through this a few weeks ago...

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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:39:43 +0000
From: "Arfie Mansfield" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #341 (all of it)

>>> Nine Inch Nails.  Duh!  I thought everybody knew that.
>>
>>*sigh*... uncalled for.
>
>Ok, fine...so not everybody knows this internationally-known guy...

    So if I were to talk about, say Lance Parkin (internationaly
known, BTW), would you know who he was?



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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 09:14:57 PDT
From: "Aronne Merrelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #342

>Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 02:36:08 +0000
>From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (orbital) Hey, Mr. Booker!  Argue against THIS!
>
>http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/06/14/love/index.html
>
>...Wow!  In-fucking-credbile!  The amount of dirt in this on the RIAA and
>the
>recording industry is unbelievable...
>

yea, everybody read this. then lets all mutually agree to never
spend a dime on anything from the RIAA...
One thing, is that even though the artists do earn practically
no money in some cases, they get lots of exposure. I wonder how
many artists signed to these labels would do it anyway even if
they knew they would be so ripped off.


nub wrote:
> > 2) Don't buy used (unless they're Technics from what I hear)
>
>it seems that the more people i ask, the more tell me "get technics, no
>matter what." at first i thought this was just bogus snobbery, but now i'm
>not so sure. is there anyone out there who has tried technics and, say,
>gemini pt-2000's, and thinks they are comparable? how about the numark
>TT-1's?

I'm no expert on this (I've never tried to mix) but the nice
feature about technics turntables is that there is no belt drive;
the table spins magnetically, from what I've heard. It would seem
that the table itself somehow becomes part of the motor. In any
case this makes them much much more reliable and able to withstand
DJ punishment like scratching & cueing etc...

>one more dj equipment question: has anyone tried to mix on one of those
>dual cd player things? are they worth getting? i played with one once,
>don't know what kind, and had a hell of a time beat-matching, but maybe i
>wasn't using it right. if anyone has suggestions for good brands/features,
>i would be obliged.

There was one at the CMU radio station, and a friend of mine was
fairly decent at using it. I don't remember the brand, but it had
pitch/speed control and cueing, so there wasn't any technical reason
you couldn't use it instead of 2 turntables. I think it just takes
a little more 'getting used to' , since the interface is not as
direct.

>finally, i saw mixmaster morris (one of the best idm-ish djs out there)
>spin at Soma (in boulder, co) last night.  it was pretty good, but sort of
>relentlessly downtempo. i always have trouble dancing to that stuff for
>more than an hour without almost falling asleep. but i must say, he has an
>amazing ability to flawlessly blend genres and different sounds. check him
>out if you're into that sort of thing.
>

cool... going to see him tonight in Costa Mesa :-)
I'm expecting to dance the night away, so it sounds like I should
be set. ehhehe.



Regards,
Aronne
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Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:31:37 +0100
From: "Chris Harrison" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: iNSTYLUS

Thanks Mike - I did forget to send it to the list!
Yes, we've done a fair bit of label promotion (UK only though).
We sent out a couple of hundred postcards, biog and letter to UK labels
asking if they wanted to hear a CD (several books suggest this approach).
The postcards were stamped and self addressed, leaving the A&R person just
to tick yes or no to a CD and providing their name. We got about 60
positives back from this and sent them all CDs within a couple of days. We
got some great complimentary feedback but the bottom line is that no-one in
the UK seems to have space on their label at the moment. A common comment is
that they have had to drop a number of well fairly well known acts and so it
would be impossible to justify taking anyone else on - even though they
really like the demos.
So, only one solid offer came from that batch was a "production publishing"
deal, the contract for which hasn't materialised yet, but it might not be
such a good deal to get into to be honest.
We've also had A & R approaches from quite a few gigs we've played around
the Northwest of England, but again at the end of the day, they've not had
any space on their label. But a couple of weeks ago we were approached after
a gig by a small new label that started out last year. They seem nice people
to deal with but don't really have much experience (or many connections).
They've offered us vinyl release and promotion on a couple of our tracks
targeted at dj's, (plus a remix of I'm coming hardcore by Manix - track from
1992). They would maintain the rights on the tracks for three years. This
means that if the tracks are popular, we're a bit at their mercy as to
whether they would release them on CD to the general public.
Anyway, if you know of any other approaches / marketing ideas, we'd be
grateful
Thanks for your input
Chris

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Henderson" <[e-mail]>
To: "Chris Harrison" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS!


> Hey Chris,
>
> This is excellent input -- Did you send this to the Orbital list? It looks
> like it only came to me.
>
> Speaking of labels, have you done a lot of label promotion (e.g. sending
out
> demo tapes/CDs)?
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Harrison" <[e-mail]>
> To: "Mike Henderson" <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker! Argue against THIS!
>
>
> > Hi Mike,
> > I've not really posted to this list before but I've been on it for a few
> > weeks now and couldn't resist joining in on this one....
>
>




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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:19:08 +0000
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Peter McWilliams dies...

All of the details here:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_medical_media10.shtml

I felt this was really important because McWilliams was a great guy.  His book,
Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do, was mind-blowing in its proportions and is
still a great political reference.  If you don't have the huge book, he has
(had) a online (and slightly shorter) version of it here:

http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/

The way he died was so unjust and unfair.  I, too, hold the govt responsible.  I
don't like forwarding mail at all, nor do I like telling people to forward mail,
but this has to be heard.

He is a now a martyr to a greater cause.  For God's sake, don't let that go to
waste!  Do with his death what he couldn't do with his life!

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 05:57:21 +0000
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: Hey, Mr. Booker!  Argue against THIS!

Mike Henderson wrote:
>
> There is one part of her argument that I think is weak. She says that
> artists can go on the internet and get "millions of fans" buying their music
> and enjoying it, thus making it equitable for the artist. Okay Courtney,
> yeah, if you were to release your stuff cheaply on the net by yourself now,
> you'd do well. Why? Because you've been promoted around the world by your
> record label. Before that, you were famous because you were connected with
> Kurt Cobain, who we'd only heard of because his record label promoted him
> around the world. So with all that record label-generated publicity, yes,
> you will do well on the internet. However, look at mp3.com and
> audiogalaxy.com and the like -- there are thousands of artists whose work is
> being ignored. I'd be willing to bet the success rate of those
> internet-distributed artists is LESS than the 5% success rate of
> label-related artists. It is extremely expensive to make someone famous,
> barring the rare exceptions caused by word-of-mouth alone, and the average
> musician does not have the tools to make themselves famous.

Maybe that's because nobody talks about them.  It's the responsibility of BOTH
the artist and the common Joe to change the music industry.  If you want to do
your part, check out the thousands of artists who are being ignored.  Their
music is out there, freely available for downloading.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:08:54 GMT
From: "e. lanum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) (orb)ital

is there an orb list like this?
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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:26:32 +0000
From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) (orb)ital

At 12:08 23.6.2000 +0000, e. lanum wrote:

>is there an orb list like this?
yep
[e-mail] :)

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 08:21:28 -0600
From: "Mike Henderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast

For what it's worth, House of Blues.com (www.hob.com) just reposted the
Orbital 29-Nov-96 (or is it Nov 23? They show it both ways...) New Orleans
webcast. This big difference is that this time they have a 100k Windows
Media Player stream that sounds a TON better than the old horrid RealAudio
stream they used to have out there. The RealAudio links are still there, but
interestingly (or not), they're broken... :)

Grab it -- it's worth the effort!
http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/961123orbital/

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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:21:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast - Copying Media Player Streams?

Is there a way to copy the file to a local hard drive?  I haven't found
of a program that copies a Media Player stream to hard drive and I find
that hard to believe...

- --- Mike Henderson <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, House of Blues.com (www.hob.com) just reposted
> the Orbital 29-Nov-96 (or is it Nov 23? They show it both ways...)
> New Orleans webcast. This big difference is that this time they have
> a 100k Windows Media Player stream that sounds a TON better than the
> old horrid RealAudio stream they used to have out there. The
> RealAudio links are still there, but interestingly (or not), they're
> broken... :)
>
> Grab it -- it's worth the effort!
> http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/961123orbital/
>
> Mike


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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 15:26:11 -0400
From: "Patrick McGinn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast - Copying Media Player Streams?

I believe it was Mehul (sorry if I'm attributing this to the wrong person)
who posted a link to just such a program a few months back:

www.voquette.com

I've used it before and it's GREAT.

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> Is there a way to copy the file to a local hard drive?  I haven't found
> of a program that copies a Media Player stream to hard drive and I find
> that hard to believe...
>
> --- Mike Henderson <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >
> > For what it's worth, House of Blues.com (www.hob.com) just reposted
> > the Orbital 29-Nov-96 (or is it Nov 23? They show it both ways...)
> > New Orleans webcast. This big difference is that this time they have
> > a 100k Windows Media Player stream that sounds a TON better than the
> > old horrid RealAudio stream they used to have out there. The
> > RealAudio links are still there, but interestingly (or not), they're
> > broken... :)
> >
> > Grab it -- it's worth the effort!
> > http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/961123orbital/
> >
> > Mike




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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 18:10:43 -0700
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast - Copying Media Player Streams?

Has anyone gotten this program to work with the Orbital stream??  And are
there any good Orbital (or electronic) media player streams I can test this
on?  I've always wanted to be able to copy these but now I can do it and I
don't know what to get!

Thanks for this link though that is exactly what I've been looking for!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Patrick McGinn
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 12:26 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast - Copying Media Player Streams?
>
>
>
> I believe it was Mehul (sorry if I'm attributing this to the wrong person)
> who posted a link to just such a program a few months back:
>
> www.voquette.com
>
> I've used it before and it's GREAT.
>
> Xaos
> 80 97 116 114 105 99 107 32 77 99 71 105 110 110



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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 02:43:38 -0700
From: "morpheus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: orbital-digest V2 #342

> >it seems that the more people i ask, the more tell me "get technics, no
> >matter what." at first i thought this was just bogus snobbery, but now
i'm
> >not so sure. is there anyone out there who has tried technics and, say,
> >gemini pt-2000's, and thinks they are comparable? how about the numark
> >TT-1's?

Gemini PT-2000's are similar to Technics, but they aren't built as well.
People don't seem to understand how much punishment a Tech 1200 can take.
You can drop it like five feet and it would still work perfectly.  You can
stand on the platter, and iit will spin you around.  These things are very
well built.  I Have a lot of experience with Numark TT-1's, and they are
shit.  They have horrible torque which makes for sloppy cueing and makes
scratching impossible.  Also, the pitch control is really bad.  It's
digital, so the pitch is either like 1.22 or 1.23, there is no in between.
This sucks, because it is sometimes impossible to get an absolute perfect
beat match.  Tech 1200's pitch control don't have any either ors, you can
get it at any number.  Same with Vestax D3's, they are also digital, but you
can still go in between numbers.  Vestax D3's are my turntabls of choice,
But I still highly recommend Tech 1200's.  It's not just a snobby thing,
it's hard to spin without them.

> >one more dj equipment question: has anyone tried to mix on one of those
> >dual cd player things? are they worth getting? i played with one once,
> >don't know what kind, and had a hell of a time beat-matching, but maybe i
> >wasn't using it right. if anyone has suggestions for good
brands/features,
> >i would be obliged.

I see these things as more of an addition to turntables, not a substitute
for turntables.  For instance, it would be cool to spin on 2 turntables and
a cd deck.  But this is just what my friends who have used them have told
me.

hope that helps anyone who was pondering the Technics or not Technics
question.
morpheus aka DJ Seifer




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Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 09:33:41 -0600
From: "Mike Henderson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) HOB.COM webcast

Using Windows, I grab stuff using CoolEdit.

1)  Load CoolEdit and click the record button -- accept the default
recording parameters (44100, 16 bit, stereo) then pause the recording right
away.

2) Open the Volume settings for your soundcard. For the default Windows
volume window (you get by double-clicking the little yello speaker down by
your clock on the Start bar), set the Wave and Master volume levels to the
middle or so. Then select "Properties" from the "Options" menu. Then click
the Recording radio button, then check everything down in the listing of
volume controls, and click OK.  You should have a meter for "Mix" or "Sum"
up there somewhere. Set it to about the middle setting and check its
"Select" checkbox and UNCHECK all the other "Select" checkboxes. Close the
window.

3) Go to the hob.com site and click on the 100k Window Media stream link.
When Media Player comes up, wait until you're about 90% buffered and then
unpause CoolEdit.

That's it!

Hope this helped...
Mike

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mehul Parekh" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 4:24 AM


> how do i grab it?

> >
> > For what it's worth, House of Blues.com (www.hob.com) just reposted the
> > Orbital 29-Nov-96 (or is it Nov 23? They show it both ways...) New
Orleans
> > webcast. This big difference is that this time they have a 100k Windows
> > Media Player stream that sounds a TON better than the old horrid
RealAudio
> > stream they used to have out there. The RealAudio links are still there,
> but
> > interestingly (or not), they're broken... :)
> >
> > Grab it -- it's worth the effort!
> > http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/961123orbital/





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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 01:06:37 -0400
From: Oleg Rekutin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (OT) (orbital) turntables, etc.

Sorry for OT....

My brother used to run a Friday night party at his college, and he dealt
with a lot of DJs... (credibility assurance :O) )

He says that some people had Technics 1200 for over 15 years and they
still work like a charm. As long as you take good care of them, they
work forever. In other words, don't be afraid to buy used Technics.

There are no moving parts in the Technics except the pitch control,
three buttons and a light. The rest are three magnets & electronics.

It's direct-drive table, spins up to full velocity extremely fast (I
forget the speed). As opposed to belt drives that take a while to spin
up.

(Using belt-driven turntables is not a good idea. Don't even think of
using one for scratching: you'll ruin the turntable. Belt-driven
turntables are for listening to records at the comfort of your home --
definitely not for mixing).

Technics 1200 has only one big flaw: pitchshift locks on a crystal too
much: e.g. if I try to do 34 RPM, it will jump to 33.3 RPM, sorta like
"pixel snapping." That's fixed in Technics 1300 (there's a button to
enable/disable this).

If you think that Technics 1200 aren't good, then you're arguing with
about 20000 DJs in the history of DJing that have been using these
technics since early 70's, when they got out.

He says Gemini don't have any good tables. However, if you're looking
for cheaps ways to start a DJ career, it's very good to buy Pioneer
CD-tops that make your life much easier. (Since vinyl isn't nearly as
easy to get as CDs).

He says that CD-tops are very usable. He says that about 50% of all
clubs in US and Europe work off the CD-tops. E.g. DJ Scribble uses
Pioneer CD-tops (and Pioneer sound FX).

He says the big difference between CD-tops and turntables is the quality
of the sound. (Turntables sound cripsier, but an average club attendee
probably wouldn't notice any difference, as long as you keep your CDs in
good shape (so they don't skip) ). If you burn stuff on a CD-R, make
sure that the source file is good quality (e.g. don't try to play
112kbps MP3s) and try to use gold CD-Rs... they are considered
"DJ-quality."

Mixing via CD-tops is easier because it's easier to maintain beatmixing.
However, you still gotta have the mixing skills, though (i.e. if you
suck at matching up beats, it won't help you).

CD-tops and turntables have their own pluses/minuses, you can be an ace
at either. If you prefer the "analog" control of a turntable, use that.
If you like electronics to do a good part of your job, use a CD-top.

Quality of a Cd-top makes a big difference, too, he says. Pioneer
Cd-tops is the best, he says, and Geminis are also good (some are really
good). Less expensive Geminis are crappy however. Also cheap ones from
Dannon, Numark, American DJ CD-tops should be avoided.

Numark and Vestax have also good direct-drive turntables. There are no
professional level good Gemini turntables: they are all entry-level.

He says Technics cost less in Europe. In US, used ones go usually for
$600 a pair. Check out eBay and other auctions, but make sure the person
doesn't ship them to you--but you instead go and pick them up (otherwise
they will get all banged up in transit).


Again, all info is as per my brother. Just thought this may be helpful
to those interested.


- - Uksi

Friday, June 23, 2000, 5:43:38 AM, you wrote:


>> >it seems that the more people i ask, the more tell me "get technics, no
>> >matter what." at first i thought this was just bogus snobbery, but now
m> i'm
>> >not so sure.

> I see these things as more of an addition to turntables, not a substitute
> for turntables.  For instance, it would be cool to spin on 2 turntables and
> a cd deck.  But this is just what my friends who have used them have told
> me.

>> i've been shopping around for dj equipment - turntables, 2-CD players,
>> mixers - and, as i'm new to this, i'm discovering that i know little about
>> what separates the good from the bad. technics 1200s are pricey (duh), and
>> don't have some of the features i'm looking for (pitch blend, reverse,
>> line out options?), so i'm looking into some gemini and numark direct
>> drives at about $300-375 (US) a pop. could anyone tell me their personal
>> experiences with non-technics turntables, or give me a url that has
>> reviews or comparisons? the only good one i've found was mostly european
>> brands that are unavailable (and/or expensive) in the states. i'm just
>> looking for something quality that isn't gonna cost me a nut.


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