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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:31:52 -0500
From: "Christopher Park" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) MP3s/Software

I noticed this thread has become a Linux vs Winblows thread (You can
probably guess my affiliation), but on the topic of MP3 software, does any
one know a good site providing info on writing an MP3 encoding/decoding
program.  I'm ading a linux box to my stereo to be a MP3 jukebox, and I'm
wanting to design the interface to work with a touch screen monitor, plus be
easy to use, The front end part I've got down, its the back end part I'm
having a time with.  I would really like to write a high quality
encoder/decoder so that I can make the best use out of my hardware.  I've
never written an audio based program before and I was wondering if any one
has written a good tutorial/book/web page about audio programming.

Thanks and Long Live Open Source!!!!

Chris



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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:23:17 PST
From: "Aronne Merrelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: Encoders

>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:28:49 EST
>From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (orbital) Encoders
>
>Hello there,
>
>Does anyone have a decent MP3 encoder that is not made by Xing? I've been
>trying to find one now for quite some time, and I'm tired of using my
>shitty
>old Audiocatalyst, which has errors all the time.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Rob


check out www.maz-sound.com, they have several you
can try out that aren't Xing.

Later,
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Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:32:24 PST
From: "Aronne Merrelli" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Re: research

>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 08:45:51 +0000
>From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (orbital) Research da music!
>
>My music list is slowly growing and my needs research list isn't getting
>too much research any more.  I've been running a bunch of bands and
>albums through GNapster, but I'm having a very low hit rate.  I have a
>few questions.  Does anybody have any info on the bands/albums below?
>Any MP3s?  Where's a good place to buy imports?

Shops I've used :
www.xmission.com/~ear
[e-mail] (he sends out weekly lists via e-mail.
  has no website yet.)
www.action-records.co.uk

other shops with good selections, but have no ordering
experience with:
www.bentcrayon.com
www.riouxs.com
www.juno.co.uk
www.fe.org
www.smallfish.co.uk

www.gemm.com
(big collection of shops.)
www.psylux.com/VMM
(not a shop, but a list of shops. hasn't been updated lately,
however.)

(snipped all the stuff I don't know about...)

>   Squarepusher - Selection Sixteen
This is Ok, I find it frustrating because all the songs are
really short and feel like little jam sessions or wanderings
and not entire songs. And it just doesn't seem as fresh as
his other stuff. He even uses the 'stopped clock' sample on
this CD. (yes, the famous orbital sample.)
Sounds similar to pre-"Rotted" squarepusher.

>   Squarepusher - Budakhan Mindphone
I think this had a couple good songs, a couple Ok,
a couple mostly useless. I think one of the good songs
was "Iambic 5 Poetry" which is a really nice mellow
song (no dnb in that one at all). IMO probably worth
picking up for that track (its an EP so its cheaper
anyway! :-) )

>   Plug
I think 'Drum and Bass for Papa" is one of the best DnB albums
ever. He seems to have a lot of breaks that no one else has...
Very original stuff, which is sometimes hard to find in this
genre. Jazzy feel to it as well.

>   Goldie
I don't think he has done anything of note since the "Timeless"
album (well, he was in the last Bond movie). If you don't have
"Timeless", and you like DnB, you should get it. One of the
classic DnB albums.

>   Black Dog
This is the 2 guys in Plaid + one more guy.
I know of 4 releases : Peel session, Spanners, Temple of
Transparent Balls, Parallel. I think these are in order
of release (Parallel is oldest), and are also in order of
scarcity. Luckily, they are also in order of quality,
(parallel being the least good) although I'm sure some
will violently disagree with me! That being said, go get
the peel sessions and "Spanners", those are both excellent
and should be relatively easy to find. Spanners sounds much
like the last two Plaid albums, but a little more primitive.

>   Ils & Solo
I think this was one of the acts on a Logical Progression
compilation - so I doubt that they have any tracks on any
CDs other than those. Although I only can keep track of
2% of all the DnB that comes out so I'm likely wrong.


Hope this helps,
   Aronne
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:33:09 +0000
From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: research

At 23:32 27.3.2000 -0800, Aronne Merrelli wrote:
hiya aronne :)

>>   Black Dog
>This is the 2 guys in Plaid + one more guy.
>I know of 4 releases : Peel session, Spanners, Temple of
>Transparent Balls, Parallel. I think these are in order
>of release (Parallel is oldest), and are also in order of
>scarcity. Luckily, they are also in order of quality,
>(parallel being the least good) although I'm sure some
>will violently disagree with me! That being said, go get
>the peel sessions and "Spanners", those are both excellent
>and should be relatively easy to find. Spanners sounds much
>like the last two Plaid albums, but a little more primitive.

actually, first it was known as Black Dog Productions, and they first
released some ep's.
then they released Bytes, which is, imho their very best release. a real
must have :)
after that, Parallel (which I don't have), Temple of Transparent Balls
(which I don't have either), and I think around that time, they fell apart,
I think Spanners is their last album together. after that, Black Dog
released Adverto, a cd with about 46 short tunes, most of which bored me
shitless, if I were to tell the truth.
Get Bytes. it is really good :)

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:04:02 BST
From: "Trym Asserson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian label)

>Does anyone have a decent MP3 encoder that is not made by Xing? I've been
>trying to find one now for quite some time, and I'm tired of using my
>shitty
>old Audiocatalyst, which has errors all the time.

Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always give good
quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in the
track.

****The Roskilde Bootleg****
BTW, fixed Halcyon and I Don't Know You People. Marc, can you delete the
other two in the Roskilde folder so they can be overwritten and don't cause
any confusion to people not knowing which are the tracks without glitches.

Also, currently uploading 4 more tracks now. Style (bigpipe), Satan, Spare
Parts Express and The Box. The remaining three, I Don't Know You People,
Halcyon and Know Where To Run will come later.

****Drum'n'bass****
I've mostly been listening to Peshay, DJ Rap and Teebee & K until now, but I
know now that I've been missing some very important, defining moments. Can
anyone direct me to some monumental releases, artists, etc (apart from
Goldie whose latest album I bought and sold within three months).

If you come across an album by Polar and like drum'n'bass, check it out.
It's called "37 Degrees and falling". Polar is Teebee's recording mate, K
(Kjetil Dale Sagstad), who makes sci-fi d'n'b with intricate basslines and
drum edits. Combined with Teebee's dark, hardstep, "black science"
basslines, the result is very powerful.

****Norwegian electronica on American markets****
Beatservice, the label on which Teebee & K released their debut album "Black
Science", has now gone to America in a contract with Groove Distribution in
Chicago, so for you Americans who want to try out some Norwegian electronic
music be it drum'n'bass or just that arctic ambient or the deep, chill
house, follow the news from GD. So far two EP's have been released, Teebee &
K album sampler and a Sternklang 4-track EP from his latest album,
Neolounge, which goes through a string of genres (d'n'b, funk, beats and
breaks).

well, that's my 3 Norwegian inflation kroner,

Trym

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:39:46 BST
From: "Trym Asserson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: research

>>My music list is slowly growing and my needs research list isn't getting
>>too much research any more.  I've been running a bunch of bands and
>>albums through GNapster, but I'm having a very low hit rate.  I have a
>>few questions.  Does anybody have any info on the bands/albums below?
>>Any MP3s?  Where's a good place to buy imports?
>
>Shops I've used :
>www.xmission.com/~ear
>[e-mail] (he sends out weekly lists via e-mail.
>  has no website yet.)
>www.action-records.co.uk

Not to forget

www.sisterray.co.uk (excellent service, extensive catalog)

www.towereurope.com (vast catalog, so alot is not in stock, but they DO get
back-orders in and I just got my Aedena Cycle "Traveller's Dream" on Apollo,
that I thought I'd never get when they said it was out of stock.

Trym

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:43:23 -0500
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) Re: research

I have all of Bytes and a some of Spanners up.  If you like 'em, buy 'em.  My site
has a bunch of not-so-noticeable stuff, so if you haven't looked through it
thoroughly, it's worth a try.


- -Marc Sawaya

Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson wrote:

> then they released Bytes, which is, imho their very best release. a real
> must have :)  I think Spanners is their last album together.
> Get Bytes. it is really good :)



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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:57:25 +0100
From: "Price, Steve A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) mp3, censorship, record companies and replies

In response to the good old mp3 debate. Everyone has their own personal
view, i respect this and i am sure that anyone with a ounce (or a henry ;) )
of human nature in them will do the same.

I love the idea of try before you buy - mp3s extend this idea and its great
finding live bootlegs and rare - hardtofind stuff. I think that most record
companies can handle this kind of piracy but the smaller labels that are
independent (like Bobby Birds Headphone) obviously suffer a lot from mp3
trading.
Most people i know will at least buy the album or ep if they like the mp3s -
if everyone did this then i guess we wouldnt be having this discussion now.
I am certainly no angel in this respect because there is only so much money
in the pot so to speak :)
Nothing anyone can do about mp3 trading/piracy in my view - its here - its
not getting any smaller - i guess the big boys will survive and the smaller
companies may not. I really do believe that if you can get the release and
you like it that much then you should pay up and give some money back. The
record company always pays the artist an advance for each album depending on
the previous sales and their future scope.

In response to ermmm angel i think - The reason we dont allow Orbital mp3
trading on the Loopz website is because it is recognised as the official
Orbital website and i am sure the record company would love me to allow the
website to be the HQ of Orbital piracy. I have to be very careful with the
record company - i dont want to get into any trouble - i just want to
continue my Orbital promotion work like i have done for years. I hope you
can respect that sometimes we have to enforce rules - not censorship!

Benjib - Unitary PR website is run by a friend of mine - the Progress Promo
and The Visit Promo are not albums. The Visit is all the movements from The
Visit program - samples are on the site. Progress is a couple of unreleased
tracks, one unreleased remix and a couple of early workings (ie: progress!)
of a couple of tracks. I will compile a list of whats on the Progress cd.
Also...you know why you was banned - name calling is something that we all
do but some of us know when to give it a rest :P

Deekay - one thing to say is that Paul Hartnoll likes a joke - believe me
because i know him, i have witnessed his sense of humour and if you read
most interviews there is a lot of Pauls humour in them. A chance for him to
joke about record companies and i am sure he will jump at it. Who wouldnt
joke about their boss or owners ? :) Its one of his best attributes - a good
sense of humour. He needs one - he works in the music business!

Steve LOOPZ Price
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:12:28 EST
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) BoC/Perro Negro

Helloooo all,

First off, I'd like to thank Dr. Deekay for the encoder :-)

So now, I can encode Boards of Canada's "Twoism" and "High Scores" (vinyl
versions) for y'all! I have a feeling some of you are really going to like
this stuff. It's definitely worth chillin' to :-)

Oh, because it's encoded from vinyl, there's some cracks and a slight hiss,
and the bass makes a sort of "whoosh" noise at times, but hey, I think it
gives a very cool edge to the tunes, makes it sound all old and stuff, which
is what I like about BoC anyway! If you like this stuff, I have some other
tracks available on vinyl only and their early Skam releases.

Oh yeah, also on the Plaid/Black Dog subject....I LUV 'EM! Bytes is a fine,
fine album, and I enjoy Spanners as well. Very awesome original beats. I
sort of get an "ethnic" feel from their albums, they seem to like some latin
and middle eastern percussion a whole hell of a lot. I have Plaid's
"Restproof Clockwork" and "Not For Threes," but hey, get off your asses and
go buy them! I might just be able to upload some of the more rare EPs (for
example, Scoobs in Colombia: a four tracker different than the "Scoobs" on
Peel Sessions), which I believe are out of print, and maybe, just maybe, the
3 hour Black Dog set live from Toronto :-)))) (AWESOME!!!)

Ok, so give me some feedback and I'll see what I can do.

Peace,
Rob
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:16:56 EST
From: "Robert Schultz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3, censorship, record companies and replies

"Benjib - Unitary PR website is run by a friend of mine - the Progress Promo
and The Visit Promo are not albums. The Visit is all the movements from The
Visit program - samples are on the site. Progress is a couple of unreleased
tracks, one unreleased remix and a couple of early workings (ie: progress!)
of a couple of tracks. I will compile a list of whats on the Progress cd."


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want it I want it!!!


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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:05:06 -0500
From: "Shannon K. Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian label)

Trym Asserson wrote:
> Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always give good
> quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in the
> track.

This came up before but the Xing encoder, while speedy uses only one
type of 'medium length' data block which apparently is limited in it's
reproduction of hi and low frequencies compared with the Freunhofer
algorithm that uses short and long blocks to better handle these
frequnecy extremes.

?how'd i do BB n DK? :)

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:46:45 -0600 (CST)
From: "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian label)

>
> Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always give good
> quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in the
> track.

Xing discards all frequencies above 16kHz








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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:26:11 +0000
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) NT/Linux

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> If we're talking about customizing Linux, for a firewall or a server,
> then you're right, you might be able to have *something* like that
> running on NT more quickly using the GUI, but let's face it, NT
> firewalls COST money and they're pretty much shit and
> uncustomizable compared to Linux/BSD

A GUI -really- slows down a server.  NT was finally able to beat Linux
in a major web server test, but only after they disabled most of the GUI
through debugging.  (Tweaking was allowed on both sides.)  And the only
reason it won was because Linux wasn't finished with their
multi-threaded IP stack (coming in about a month now).

> afterall Microsoft's own Hotmail has a FreeBSD firewall running infront
> of a Solaris setup.. they tried to change hotmail to NT when they bought
> it, but it was a total disaster as NT simply couldn't handle all the
> traffic so they switched back to Solaris/BSD the next day!

I think they finally switched back, but they also increased the number
of servers by a lot.

> 8) And we're talking about Micro$oft themselves here, my friends! ;-D Did
> they finally make it with Win2k then?? I have yet to find that out,
> but i doubt it since win2k is "based on NT-technology" like it tells
> you on every boot!

W2K is OEM only.  The damn shit is too unstable for home use.

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:29:42 +0000
From: Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s/Software

Christopher Park wrote:
>
> I noticed this thread has become a Linux vs Winblows thread (You can
> probably guess my affiliation), but on the topic of MP3 software, does any
> one know a good site providing info on writing an MP3 encoding/decoding
> program.  I'm ading a linux box to my stereo to be a MP3 jukebox, and I'm
> wanting to design the interface to work with a touch screen monitor, plus be
> easy to use, The front end part I've got down, its the back end part I'm
> having a time with.  I would really like to write a high quality
> encoder/decoder so that I can make the best use out of my hardware.  I've
> never written an audio based program before and I was wondering if any one
> has written a good tutorial/book/web page about audio programming.

You're an idiot if you think you can just whip up a quick
encoder/decoder in a few weeks.  Just pick up one of the several MP3
players and decoders on the web.  Freshmeat.net is a good start.

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:21:45 -0700
From: "Skip Acuff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) MP3s/Software:  Music Match 5?

Any opinions as to the quality and or utility of the MP3 recorder that
comes free with Music Match 5?


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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:36:04 +0000
From: "Agust 'Nemesis1' Arni Jonsson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian label)

At 09:46 28.3.2000 -0600, [e-mail] wrote:

> >
> > Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always give
> good
> > quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in the
> > track.
>
>Xing discards all frequencies above 16kHz
erm... hate to tell you, but you're wrong.
the old xing encoder (way back in v1.something) used to do that, but at
least the encoder used in audio catalyst 2.x supports up to 20khz.
on the other hand, from some tests I've seen on some www pages out there,
it doesn't handle the 16-20khz range as well as the fraunhofer encoder...
*shrug*


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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:20:55 -0500
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) mp3, censorship, record companies and replies

"Price, Steve A" wrote:

> Benjib - Unitary PR website is run by a friend of mine - the Progress Promo
> and The Visit Promo are not albums. The Visit is all the movements from The
> Visit program - samples are on the site.

How the hell do we get our hands on the whole Visit project?  Seriously, the
samples you have up are mindblowing!  I definitely want more!  Progress sounds
very interesting too.


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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:27:43 -0500
From: Marc Sawaya <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) my ftp

Ok, I gave the Orbital login create directory access in the upload
folder, so if you're going to upload a lot of stuff, make a folder for
it.  thanks = P

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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:42:45 -0600
From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT: CD Now

Sorry for all of the off topic posts... :-(

At least this one is sorta on the Orbital target.

I am going to visit CD Now to place an order for 3 Orbital CDs.  (beached,
Style pt.2, and Nothing Left pt. 2)  I am curious if anyone has any
"coupon" numbers to offer at this time.  I know they have been posted
before.  They are like $10 off a $50.00 purchase or something..

Any help would be appreciated!

(MAIL PRIVATELY)



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    Digger
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"And Now I'm Aching For You...But there's much to do 'cause there's NOTHING
LEFT"


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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:29:49 -0800
From: "Ian Mahuron" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orbital) NT/Linux

>I think they finally switched back, but they also increased the number
>of servers by a lot.

I'm afraid they're still using Apache on some unix (probably solaris).

[www].hotmail.com
Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b

x.x.hotmail.passport.com (hotmail's auth frontend)
Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b

x.hotmail.msn.com (where you end up after you log in)
Server: Apache/1.3.6 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.8 SSLeay/0.9.0b



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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:53:19 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian labe

> > > Why not use the XingEncoder? Seems to work fine for me and always g=
ive=20
> > good
> > > quality unless you work in the background which causes glitches in =
the
> > > track.
> >
> >Xing discards all frequencies above 16kHz
> erm... hate to tell you, but you're wrong.
> the old xing encoder (way back in v1.something) used to do that, but at=
=20
> least the encoder used in audio catalyst 2.x supports up to 20khz.
> on the other hand, from some tests I've seen on some www pages out ther=
e,=20
> it doesn't handle the 16-20khz range as well as the fraunhofer encoder.=
..
> *shrug*
>=20
>=20
> Agust "Nemesis1"  -  [e-mail]  -  ICQ: 1290264 - http://nemesis1.=
cjb.net
>                 w00p! :P
>=20
What Shannon didn't quite point out (though it was all right what=20
he said! 8) and what needn't be neglected when evaluating Xing=20
"quality" is that the goal of an mp3 compressor is to fit the current=20
frame (the song is divided up into little chunks called frames!) into=20
a specified byte length (determined by a) the bitrate, b) the=20
sampling frequency and c) joint stereo/stereo/mono) as mp3 was=20
orignally meant to be a streaming format (maintained=20
data-transfer-rate no matter what the signal is like!). The ways to=20
accomplish this are manifold, like Shannon said the use of=20
long/intermediate/short blocks is one way, the choice of=20
HOW the psychoacoustic reduction itself is performed is another and=20
there are prolly even more!..=20
Now, Xing analyzes the sample and just takes the first possible=20
solution, mp3-producer (FHG) tries many different solutions and then=20
compares them all to the original signal and THEN decides which one=20
is closest to the original and takes that one! The algorithm that=20
makes the choice (ever told a computer to MAKE a choice? 8) is based=20
on the large knowledge FHG has gathered in hearing-tests with=20
professional listeners (=3Dpeople who are PAID to listen!) in their=20
testing labs. And this is exactly why i don't believe in=20
hacker-codecs like Blade or LAME (hell, maybe even Xing!), they=20
simply can't afford to have field-testing like this! 8)
The above mentioned is also why the FHG codec is way slower than the=20
Xing one, or did you REALLY think the guys at FHG didn't know how to=20
code decently? >;-D
And even i on my moderate Hi-Fi can notice a difference between a=20
FHG-mp3 and a Xing one!.. If you try headphones, EVERYONE can tell=20
it!..

btw: There was a big comparison test with all these "Audiophiles"=20
(you know, the kind of people that buy special Speaker-cables for=20
their $5000 speakers that you might only use one way around and that=20
you need to "acclimate" first by not cranking up the volume during=20
the first weeks!! 8))) Hell, they really think that's so elite!..=20
Hello? this is a CABLE, not a fucking CAR!) that turned down mp3 as=20
"lame stuff for the masses" - guess what? 8) NONE of them was able to=20
tell a difference to an original CD!! Neither were the guys at the=20
Hi-Fi-Shop (one of them even said: "Makes you wonder what this is all=20
good for!")
The problem is that people listen to their CDs on a 3 Gazillion Hi-Fi=20
equipment, and then to an mp3 on their $1000 Terratec-soundcard-PC=20
and really think that's a fair comparison! If you wanna make the=20
test, go ahead and do the following to get an easy fair setup:
1. Take your CD, rip the track you wanna try out (maybe use low=20
ripping-speed to avoid glitches!) Take care to rip DIGITALLY right=20
from CD, not this sampling-via-CD-in that some all-in-one packages=20
offer, cause this would mean the signal goes through one D/A->A/D=20
conversion, which greatly reduces quality! You should only do this=20
with CDs that are way too scratched to rip them even at single-speed!
2. encode it with mp3-producer
3. decode it with winamp (diskwriter output) or some other decoder
(Some people believe DECODING an mp3 is additional loss in quality,=20
this is not the case, it's the exact same quality as the mp3, kinda=20
like when you save a .jpg as .tif! But I have yet to find out if=20
re-encoding a decoded mp3 with the exact same settings in bitrate etc=20
yields the exact same mp3 as before! <:-)
4. burn it back onto a CDR (maybe use slower burning-speed to avoid=20
problems and oversampling when playing back on a CD-player!)
5. Compare the 2 CDs on the same Hi-Fi stereo! 8)

...i GUARANTEE you you won't be able to tell the difference!

DeeKay der Aufkl=E4rer ;-D


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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:11:41 +0100
From: "benjib" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) would somebody please

mornin'

would somebody please
contact mr. lazlo who used to run the orbital discography (dead in late
1997)
and ask if they can copy it and update it and create a new web home for it
dont have the link to hand any problems finding it pls ask

i would take on the task but i am a vinyl-phobe (dont ask it a love/hate
thing)
i will definately help out whoever takes it on with scans and info on
orbital cds
compilation appearances and bootlegs

and if someone does take it on i might have to send them some lovely orbital
live cdrs
for them to mp3 or something like that

heres one update already

[Impact]
    [on Various: ?? (anti-CJB compilation)]
       ?CD:    1995 UK (??; ??)
         11:20    Impact USA

should be

[Impact]
    [on Various: Criminal Justice! Axe The Act]
       CD:    1995 UK (Ultimate Recording Company;CDCRIM1)
         11:20    Impact USA

many more to go

benjib
www.benjib.com





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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:26:53 -0600
From: "J Van" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) 3 things (update on bootleg, d'n'b, Norwegian labe

usually the other way around. people who knock MP3 are those
who HAVE converted their MP3s->CD  and played them through decent
equipment.  I personally  cannot spot the difference between MP3 and CD
with lo-fidelity PC speakers and a cheapo soundcard,  but I can definitely
hear
the difference once I move the MP3 to audio CDs and then play
them on a stereo system.  MP3 currently cannot hold a candle to CD
in terms of transparency or transient detail, MP3 also suffers in
translating
those high-frequency harmonics which suffer from that 'glassy' artifacts in
sound.






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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 15:05:07 -0600
From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) MP3 Server???

Ok...who's the one on the list that has the MP3 server with all the Orbital
shit?

I know someone has one, but I haven't been able to follow the list as
closely as I'd like to lately (school, work, etc.).

Whomever it is...please e-mail me with the info.  Is it ratio?  What's the
deal?

Thanks a million!


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    Digger
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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:20:16 -0500
From: "Shannon K. Campbell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) OT - acro q's

Fergimme fer askin!

Brendan Byrd/SineSwiper wrote:
> W2K is OEM only.

The acronym database in my organic processor is on the crash ...
I can handle W2K for Windoze2000 but

Please "Remind"
Vas ist dis OEM?
und
What's the origin of term/acronym Goa or GOA type trance?

Danka,

{5 points if you know what this code means}

SCn10-E-C %^)
    Pplz frm TN rilly CANB Ignernt. yup.


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Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:54:56 -0500
From: Oleg Rekutin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) OT - acro q's

Tuesday, March 28, 2000, 4:20:16 PM, Shannon wrote:

SKC> The acronym database in my organic processor is on the crash ...
SKC> I can handle W2K for Windoze2000 but

SKC> Please "Remind"
SKC> Vas ist dis OEM?

Original Equipment Manufacturer. Products marked with OEM usually go to
a computer manufacturer/assembler and they build a computer from OEM
components. OEM components usually have minimum documentation, lack
packaging (since they are meant to be installed, not sold singularly)
and don't provide small extra parts like screws or common cables.

OEM software is far less common, but usually means that the software
is not sold in retail.

SKC> What's the origin of term/acronym Goa or GOA type trance?

Ehh, I may be wrong, but, AFAIK, the style originated from an Indian
city called Goa... So, the style is called "Goa," after the city. (I
also heard that it got so hot at times that DJs playing outside couldn't
spin vinyl because it would melt [so they had to use DATs or CDs]).


(OT!) And, Brendan:

> W2K is OEM only.  The damn shit is too unstable for home use.

No, it's not. A number of people that I personally know have been
running W2K and the OS hasn't crashed once (a few applications did, but
not the OS) in the course of about four to six months that they have
been running it.


- - Oleg




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