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From: Phlux Basquerd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: FW: Fwd: FW: Please forward this.... (fw
Date: 16 Feb 1997 21:31:00 -1000

At 09:22 PM 11/19/96 -0500, you wrote:

> Please send this letter to a person you know so I can live forever.

Um... forever is quite a long time.. if each person that recieved this
E-mail re-forwarded it to two people they knew, and It took say a full day
turnaround to forward again, then if the entire world had E-mail access, it
would still take less than 40 days... not quite forever...



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From: [e-mail] (Violette)
Subject: Re: AGGHHH
Date: 01 Feb 1997 04:24:13 GMT

On Fri, 31 Jan 1997 14:01:07 +0000 (GMT), you wrote:

>theres this bloke next door who's gone away for a week, but he's still =
left
>his alarm, set for 7:30 am!!!
>the reason i know this is that his alarm is hooked up to his stereo
>and plays the spice girls album VERY LOUD.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
>help me please
>
>

I know, I hate when that happens.



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From: [e-mail] (Violette)
Subject: Re: Best song
Date: 01 Feb 1997 04:27:32 GMT

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:41:23 +0200 (EET), you wrote:

>You guys have been fighting which song
>is the best, but I do have a good idea:
>Sad but True
>
>the best ever made, or maybe not

Hmmm...
I vote for Halcyon + on + on.=20
See, when you listen to all the other songs, after a while you're just
like, blah.
But everytime I put this song on, it's like I can feel the breath of
life itself...sometimes it brings tears to my eyes...

                            Violette
                            [e-mail]
                           Underworld Princess

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From: [e-mail] (Violette)
Subject: Re: (orbital) faq, cja
Date: 01 Feb 1997 04:31:19 GMT

On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 03:47:55 -0500, you wrote:


>2.4 Why doesn't my copy of the Green album have Satan on it?=20


Possibly, because you got the wrong label. The one I have is the
"FFRR" Records.
            =09
                        Violette
                    [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Can we hear ?
Date: 01 Feb 1997 11:55:26 GMT


>Is it just me or does it sound like Rolf Harris talking in Are We Here ?

hmmm, now you come to mention it...HAHAHAHAHA!!!! ROTFL!!!!!

>And in "I wish I had Duck Feet", Is the man talking a sample from the
>documentary about the "last american freak show" that was shown on BBC 2=
 a
>few years ago ?
>
>::  \   Seamus (James) Swift=20
>     |    a.k.a.  "whois"         =20
>::  /   If a Stealth bomber crashes into a forest, does it make a sound?=
=20
>


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Chime 12"Omen12"Auction
Date: 01 Feb 1997 12:00:33 +0000

As of 1st Feb current bids are as follows

Chime 12": =A325 (twenty-five pounds)
Omen 12": =A316 (sixteen pounds)

These bids do not include postage and packing, though that is only likely
to be a couple of pounds extra depending on where the records are going.
I'm  proposing to send them recorded delivery.

thanks

Y. Song



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From: "R.Hardacre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best song
Date: 01 Feb 1997 13:38:44 +0000 (GMT)

my fave is the box, the full length CD, alltogether now
INDESTRUCTABLE!!!!


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From: Daniel Kasaj <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ATTN: Steve
Date: 01 Feb 1997 17:19:29 +0100 (MET)

>
>
>Hey man!! How can I get a copy of LOOPZ...
>I am in the US but what can I do??
>
>jamie

Steve's off the list.
Try to contact him at [e-mail]


ps
this was ment to be private mail, sorry for slippin it to the list.

--

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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: ATTN: Steve
Date: 01 Feb 1997 12:16:26 -0800

Daniel Kasaj[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:

> Steve's off the list.
> Try to contact him at [e-mail]

Why is Steve off the list?

Shaun
--
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From: [e-mail] (Kurt Foy Booker)
Subject: Re: Satan on Vinyl
Date: 01 Feb 1997 13:06:28 -0800 (PST)

>just to be awkward, my fave is number 12.
>(the vinyl version, coz it's got all the trax on it plus choice...and
>no crowd noise, so it must be the best eh?

Heck, what exactly do you have?  I bought a UK import 2X12" of Satan (Red
Cover) that has only these tracks:

A Satan (V96 Festival Chelmsford)
B Chime/Impact (V96 Festival Chelmsford)
C Lush3/TGWTSIHH (Axis Boston)
D Out There Somewhere (Irvine Plaza New York)

So it's not exactly ALL tracks (only one version of Satan), and no version
of Choice (which I would really like to hear).

Kurt Foy Booker
[e-mail]
http://www.sna.com/foy323/
http://www.towerrecords.com/




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From: Mark S-D <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: ATTN: Steve
Date: 02 Feb 1997 02:41:25 +0000


Daniel Kasaj[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:

> Steve's off the list.
> Try to contact him at [e-mail]

Why is Steve off the list?

Shaun

I don't know for certain but I get the impression it's because he's a
busy man with the zine - the list has had too much non-Orbital related
stuff recently to make it worthwhile in that way.
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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: ATTN: Steve
Date: 01 Feb 1997 22:18:38 -0700

>Daniel Kasaj[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
>
>> Steve's off the list.
>> Try to contact him at [e-mail]
>
>Why is Steve off the list?

to my and Daniel's knowledge, he's supposably in London...  (got this info
from Daniel... B^)   thanks...

later



        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Chime 12"Omen12"Auction Update 2.2.97
Date: 02 Feb 1997 10:45:31 +0000

As of 2nd Feb current bids are as follows

Chime 12": =A325 (twenty-five pounds)
Omen 12": =A317(seventeen pounds)

These bids do not include postage and packing, though that is only likely
to be a couple of pounds extra depending on where the records are going.
I'm  proposing to send them recorded delivery.

thanks

Y. Song



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: aphex twin/bjork and a little orbital
Date: 02 Feb 1997 06:45:28 -0500 (EST)

Well, the looney bastard went and did it again.....Aphex made an album that's
virtually impossible to get into, then is completely impossible to stop
listening to once you're into it.  If any of you out there haven't checked
out RJD yet, do so...you won't be sorry.
Finally picked up Bjork's Human Behaviour single...just wanted to mention
that the Underworld mix is dope.
Also, I caught the "Are We Here?" vid on AMP....good stuff, but nowhere near
as cool as The Box's or Halcyon's vids......I'm still gonna swear thete are
actual words in that song, same as I'll swear that she says "close your eyes"
in Dwr Budr till the day I die =)

Peace and whatnot,
Matt

PS--maybe Steve left the list after all that ribbing he took about the Spice
Girlies =)

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From: "flava" <[e-mail]>
Subject: CALLIN ALL HARDCORE RAVERS
Date: 02 Feb 1997 16:15:17 GMT Standard Time

A. some postings are too long and hurt my eyes
B. check out my latest joint upgraded as of toady especially for you...




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peace
BENskiiiii


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From: ^EA^ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ATTN: Steve
Date: 02 Feb 1997 13:38:26 -0800

Mark S-D wrote:
>
> Daniel Kasaj[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
>
> > Steve's off the list.

> I don't know for certain but I get the impression it's because he's a
> busy man with the zine - the list has had too much non-Orbital related
> stuff recently to make it worthwhile in that way.


Spoke to steve babes last week on irc and he tells me his mail server
keeps crashing, it was down for almost a week came up sunday for 2 hours
then crashed again, needless to say he lost all mails posted to him.

I'll be looking out for him on #Orbital on undernet this afternoon as he
is often on then and see what the problem is.

I will be going back to the UK end of febuary and he is picking me up at
gatwick so i *need* to speak with him :)

hugs and kisses

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: aphex twin/bjork and a little orbital
Date: 02 Feb 1997 15:22:51 -0500 (EST)

You couldn't be more spot on about ol' Richard.  When I listen to Aphex Twin,
though I only own "I care because you do", I want to go around 'shouting :
genius, genius, genius'  (a little Underworld side, there).  I want to marry
him I think.  So upon your recommendation partly, I will certainly, gladly
purchase RDJ.

You know while Im at it, I could blather about Orbital too.  This Sunday
morning, I listened in awe to "The Girl with the Sun in Her Head".  Towards
the end, it just lifts me up so much beacause its pop sensibilities are
golden.  But  its not easy or lazy at all.  What a lucky girl their friend
was to be given such a song.

There's a reason we love Orbital.
There's a reason we love Aphex Twin.
There's a reason we love Underworld.
There's a reason we love Autechre.
There's a reason we love Ken Ishii.
There's a reason we love Daft Punk.
          My god how I love Daft Punk.

xxxooooxxx, Khugo

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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: aphex twin/bjork and a little orbital
Date: 02 Feb 1997 15:42:48 -0600


> You couldn't be more spot on about ol' Richard.  When I listen to Aphex
Twin,
> though I only own "I care because you do", I want to go around 'shouting
:
> genius, genius, genius'  (a little Underworld side, there).  I want to
marry
> him I think.  So upon your recommendation partly, I will certainly,
gladly
> purchase RDJ.

It's weird, because the word "genius" is the only word I can apply to
Richard.  He's SOOO damn weird.  I only own 2 of his albums, "Selected
Ambient Works 2" and "Analogue Bubblebath" but somehow I know him well.
He's way ahead of everyone else out there, I'd say.  I just think that he
sacrifices too much melody sometimes...but that's just me.


> There's a reason we love Orbital.
> There's a reason we love Aphex Twin.
> There's a reason we love Underworld.
> There's a reason we love Autechre.
> There's a reason we love Ken Ishii.
> There's a reason we love Daft Punk.    (we do?)   hehehehe
>           My god how I love Daft Punk.


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From: David Caruso <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Satan on Vinyl
Date: 02 Feb 1997 19:14:47 -0000

>>just to be awkward, my fave is number 12.
>>(the vinyl version, coz it's got all the trax on it plus choice...and
>>no crowd noise, so it must be the best eh?
>
>Heck, what exactly do you have?  I bought a UK import 2X12" of Satan (Red
>Cover) that has only these tracks:
>
>A Satan (V96 Festival Chelmsford)
>B Chime/Impact (V96 Festival Chelmsford)
>C Lush3/TGWTSIHH (Axis Boston)
>D Out There Somewhere (Irvine Plaza New York)
>
>So it's not exactly ALL tracks (only one version of Satan), and no version
>of Choice (which I would really like to hear).

All the vinyl copies have Choice, it's just not on the label. Listen to
Out There Somewhere again, for the first time...or at least the end of
side D. It's there!!!

dc


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The search for Halcyon (reasonably priced)
Date: 03 Feb 1997 03:38:33 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 31/01/97  19:07:14, you write:

"ok i'll bite.  can anyone describe the difference between the original
 halcyon (never heard it) and the on+on version on 2? "

The single version (on Radiccio UK, at least) is shorter, more 'beaty' or
dancefloor orientated, than the version on Brown. (Unfortunately, I don't
have copies to hand as I write or it would be a bit more comprehensible than
this...)

Paul Mison. monsters exist.
http://members.aol.com/pmison/


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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Video Chat
Date: 03 Feb 1997 09:28:49 -0500 (EST)

> Also, I caught the "Are We Here?" vid on AMP....good stuff, but
nowhere near
> as cool as The Box's or Halcyon's vids......I'm still gonna swear thete are
> actual words in that song, same as I'll swear that she says "close your eyes"
> in Dwr Budr till the day I die =)

No-one's ever mentioned the Lush video - that's my fave of the
lot.  So simple but so effective, it makes you long for an English
summer (it's coming!)

I suspect I know the answer to this, but does anyone else
prefer the vocal version of The Box to all it's other
incarnations?  I taped the album for my car and replaced the LP
version with it, does that qualify as deviant behaviour?





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From: Johnny Healey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Spice Orbital link
Date: 03 Feb 1997 11:18:19 +0000 (GMT)

Did anyone see that Smash Hits TV thingie on last year, the one that was
on for 2 days. Well Bjork was doing quite a long set and on her last
number Orbital did all the synth stuff (can't remember the song though).
Anyway the Spice Girls were on the same show, so the two groups have
gigged together.

  I think, or maybe its all an illusion caused by a lack of drugs.

  Johnny.



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From: Heikki Henriksen <[e-mail]>
Subject: $hopping/Halcyon +on +on +on
Date: 03 Feb 1997 12:41:08 +0100 (MET)

While on the topic of Halcyon +on +on +on
(my_favourite_ever_orbital_track):

I'd just like to recommend the movie "$hopping" by Paul Anderson
("Mortal Kombat", but I don't think he is the same as P. "trouble" A.).

I've never seen a song fit so perfectly into a movie. Every time
the two main persons in it (Billy and Jo) are starting to get
close, you can hear the beautiful strings coming up in the back-
ground.

There's also some stuff in there by Sabres of Paradise and Utah Saints ++.

And the movie's great, too.....

  heikki

Heikki Henriksen                         e-mail:[e-mail]
Osloveien 16                             http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~heikkih/
7018 Trondheim                           tlf1: 73 50 45 93
Norway                                   tlf2: 906 55 216


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From: jON <[e-mail]>
Subject: underworld
Date: 03 Feb 1997 11:58:31 +0000 (GMT)


I've just looked at this page on underworld for the first time using
netscape instead of text only and its mindblowing - go and see it for
yourself.

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~tremblay/main.html

the rest of the site has got lots of cool non-underworls stuff too


.....jON.....





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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Halcyon
Date: 03 Feb 1997 12:35:33 +0000

At 03:38 03/02/97 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

>>"ok i'll bite.  can anyone describe the difference between the original
>> halcyon (never heard it) and the on+on version on 2? "
>
>The single version (on Radiccio UK, at least) is shorter, more 'beaty' or
>dancefloor orientated, than the version on Brown. (Unfortunately, I don't
>have copies to hand as I write or it would be a bit more comprehensible than
>this...)

well my Radiccio has Halcyon 11:07, and my Brown has Halcyon+on+on 9:27,
which makes the Radiccio version longer. This is now beginning to concern
me, the review (in Select mag) I read for Brown said the album version is
longer, and now you're saying it is, and I always thought the title implied
the album version was longer, have I got a dodgy copy of Brown, or is
everybody lying.

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Spice Orbital link
Date: 03 Feb 1997 12:38:45 +0000

At 11:18 03/02/97 +0000, Johnny Healey wrote:

>Did anyone see that Smash Hits TV thingie on last year, the one that was
>on for 2 days. Well Bjork was doing quite a long set and on her last
>number Orbital did all the synth stuff (can't remember the song though).

I knowt Fluke backed Bjork on TV once, 'cos they were doing their mix of Big
time sensuality, you're sure you didn't get them mixed up? I've a feeling
Fluke are/were bald, so maybe you'd get them mixed up.

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: "R.Hardacre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: indestructable
Date: 03 Feb 1997 13:29:57 +0000 (GMT)

i prefer the vocal version of THE BOX, groovy
sattelites for substance (etc)

it's a bit strong

talking of the genius that is Mr Aphex, what
does everyone think to the MIKE and RICH album,
i think it's foookin grrrreeeaaat,

RiC!




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From: ebbhead <[e-mail]>
Subject: Opening Acts
Date: 03 Feb 1997 10:03:47 -0500

I am curious to know what artists have toured with Orbital and visa versa.
I saw Spring Heel Jack on their last tour and thought they did a pretty
good job.  Thanks for any info. you can provide.

By the way, I just wanted to thank the list for suggesting to give Autechre
a listen.  I'm really enjoying their sounds and have almost their entire
discography now.  I think they are closely related to what Aphex Twin is
doing, but I think Autechre does it much better (just my opinion).  Does
anyone know when they or the Prodigy are touring the US again?  I
unfortunately missed  Autechre touring the US last year :(  Definitely did
not miss Orbital's show though--what a blast!!! ;)

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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: How To Get Screewed
Date: 03 Feb 1997 09:25:35 -0500

        A long while back.....just a couple months ago i made a trade deal
with Daniel Hare.   This was at Christmas time when i sent everyon their
trades.  Got back to school in January and still nothing from him.  So i
emailed him and no reply........does anyone know the dude?  Well here's the
documented situation......i'm grateful for any help that can be offered!

>Accidently emailed it to XMission - so everyone will read it sorry

>One last thing, I bought an extra NME a couple of weeks ago and forgot about
>it, so the first private mail with address
>from "Across the great lake, from the Good old Uncle US of Stateside, as
>American as chocolate chip
>biscuits and mum's apple tart" (Alan Partridge) secures one for anyone who
>hasn't managed to snaffle one yet.
>
>Have a good week everyone.
>
>Daniel
Doubt I'm the first but I'll give it a shot - whoever promised a trade for
it a while back forgot about me so I never got it - I'm working on a
collaboration of New Dark Times to send out for a trade - let me know
what's up.

Actually, you were the first Star Pango???

Not really sure how to address you, but whatever you deem interesting for a
trade will be fine.
Always looking for new music.
My home address is

32 Bulwer St
Shepherds Bush
London W12 8AP
ENGLAND

Cheers
Daniel

StarPango

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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Bjork/Orbital
Date: 03 Feb 1997 15:21:54 -0500 (EST)


> I knowt Fluke backed Bjork on TV once, 'cos they were doing their mix of Big
> time sensuality, you're sure you didn't get them mixed up? I've a feeling
> Fluke are/were bald, so maybe you'd get them mixed up.
>
> Jon

Well as we know all techno wizards are bald/balding, it's the law.
Aphex Twin? Bald as a Cornish coot, but part-owner of a surgical
wig shop in Truro.

The Bjork/Orbital link is pretty tenuous - they remixed the song
she wrote for Madonna, but that's about it as far as I know. Oh,
and she's bald obviously.



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From: [e-mail] (Carl Wennstam)
Subject: other mailinglists?
Date: 03 Feb 1997 12:29:16 +0100

'ello Orbital diggers!

Does anybody know about any other mailinglists for high quality music
groups such as F.S.O.L., Black Dog, B12, Autechre, Nightmares On Wax, KLF,
Outside,...?

Khaarl.



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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Halcyon
Date: 03 Feb 1997 10:18:14 -0800

Jon Green[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:

> well my Radiccio has Halcyon 11:07, and my Brown has Halcyon+on+on 9:27,
> which makes the Radiccio version longer. This is now beginning to concern
> me, the review (in Select mag) I read for Brown said the album version is
> longer, and now you're saying it is, and I always thought the title implied
> the album version was longer, have I got a dodgy copy of Brown, or is
> everybody lying.

You have the same versions I do.  Maybe people were talking
about the radio edit of Halcyon?  There is no radio edit on my
Radiccio but I know there is one out there (I have one on a
promo tape I got from a concert).

Shaun
--
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From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?=  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Autechre is fantastic!
Date: 03 Feb 1997 19:40:13 +0200 (EET)

I just bought my first Autechre-album
and it=B4s called Amber. I just want to
say that its awesome!!!!!
I love it!
joona p=F6yh=F6nen
[e-mail]
www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/1554/index.html


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From: Kon-Tiki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: indestructable
Date: 03 Feb 1997 12:19:48 -0600 (CST)

    Allright, my small contribution to the list ...
    I believe the C.J. Bolland remix of Lush (I think it is 3-5?) is
one of the best Orbital tracks (although some will disagree that it
qualifies as an Orbital track at all due to the remix part of it).

    And about Mike and Rich's "Expert Knob Twiddlers" -- great title,
great album, great wizards -- adventure muzak's best buy.  Their
reputations proceed them and the album is worth every penny you spend (at
least for this die-hard Rephlex fan).

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: other mailinglists?
Date: 03 Feb 1997 13:22:32 -0700 (MST)

> Does anybody know about any other mailinglists for high quality music
> groups such as F.S.O.L., Black Dog, B12, Autechre, Nightmares On Wax, KLF,
> Outside,...?

Email [e-mail] with the command INFO KLF in the body of the
message for information on the KLF mailing list.

--
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Chime 12"Omen12"Auction Update 3.2.97
Date: 03 Feb 1997 19:36:47 +0000

As of 3rd Feb current bids are as follows

Chime 12": =A325 (twenty-five pounds)
Omen 12": =A318 (eighteen pounds)

These bids do not include postage and packing, though that is only likely
to be a couple of pounds extra depending on where the records are going
(about six pounds outside the UK as I'm  proposing to send them recorded
delivery.)

thanks

Y. Song



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From: Matt Gundlach <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bad Joke
Date: 04 Feb 1997 13:08:37 -0500

"Did you hear that Underworld is doing an Orbital remix? They're
calling
Halcyon+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on+on
+on+on+on+on+on......"

(sorry, i was up too late)

The Other Matt
[e-mail]
[e-mail]

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From: Aleksandra Adamovic <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ummm....
Date: 03 Feb 1997 22:13:10 +0100 (MET)


> Aren't the Spice Girls those porno chicks on the Spice network or Spice
> Channel or whatever it's called?  Surely THOSE aren't the same girls you
> guys are talking about.


 Yes they are!


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From: "R. TAYLOR" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: praying to God
Date: 03 Feb 1997 14:27:44 -0700 (MST)

On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Anthony Agee
>
> On to brighter things:  Has anybody listened to Aphex Twin's newest?  It's
> had glowing reviews stateside....but I can't find it anywhere.
>
> Yes we have it at the radio station. "To Save A Weakling Child" is very
good. "Beetles" is fun as well I like to use it to intro to a distorted
"Revolution"(the Beatles) on the Psychedelic Show.
    Honestly though, I see touches of commercial influence, and I'd
say it's not their best work.
        Sincerly, he he -guess who!

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From: "R. TAYLOR" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best song
Date: 03 Feb 1997 15:33:49 -0700 (MST)

On Sat, 1 Feb 1997, Violette wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:41:23 +0200 (EET), you wrote:
>
> >You guys have been fighting which song
> >is the best, but I do have a good idea:
> >Sad but True
> >
> >the best ever made, or maybe not
>
> Hmmm...
> I vote for Halcyon + on + on.
> See, when you listen to all the other songs, after a while you're just
> like, blah.
> But everytime I put this song on, it's like I can feel the breath of
> life itself...sometimes it brings tears to my eyes...
>
>                             Violette
>                             [e-mail]
>                            Underworld Princess
>    I agree, Randarian Princess of Wisdom. That's two royal votes.

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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Video Chat
Date: 03 Feb 1997 15:09:44 -0700

its different from the rest,  its has a catchy James Bond feel to it.. B^)
so i dont think its crud...

>I suspect I know the answer to this, but does anyone else
>prefer the vocal version of The Box to all it's other
>incarnations?  I taped the album for my car and replaced the LP
>version with it, does that qualify as deviant behaviour?



        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best song
Date: 03 Feb 1997 17:11:59 -0600 (CST)



On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, R. TAYLOR wrote:

> On Sat, 1 Feb 1997, Violette wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:41:23 +0200 (EET), you wrote:
> >
> > >You guys have been fighting which song
> > >is the best, but I do have a good idea:
> > >Sad but True
> > >
> > >the best ever made, or maybe not
> >
> > Hmmm...
> > I vote for Halcyon + on + on.
> > See, when you listen to all the other songs, after a while you're just
> > like, blah.
> > But everytime I put this song on, it's like I can feel the breath of
> > life itself...sometimes it brings tears to my eyes...
> >
> >                             Violette
> >                             [e-mail]
> >                            Underworld Princess
> >    I agree, Randarian Princess of Wisdom. That's two royal votes.
>
I like your style, Violette! As for a BEST song, that is a tough call,
Orbital has a lot of good stuff.


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From: "Steve Goss" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Best song
Date: 03 Feb 1997 15:40:33 -0800

> > >You guys have been fighting which song
> > >is the best, but I do have a good idea:
> > >Sad but True
> > >
> > >the best ever made, or maybe not
> >
> > Hmmm...
> > I vote for Halcyon + on + on.
> > See, when you listen to all the other songs, after a while you're just
> > like, blah.
> > But everytime I put this song on, it's like I can feel the breath of
> > life itself...sometimes it brings tears to my eyes...
> >
> >                             Violette
> >                             [e-mail]
> >                            Underworld Princess
> >    I agree, Randarian Princess of Wisdom. That's two royal votes.

How about Sad But New, Crash and Carry (Nobody mentions it much but it's
good), and Choice.

Peace, or annihilation!

<--------------->
Steve Goss
[e-mail]
<--------------->

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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: praying to God
Date: 03 Feb 1997 19:50:17 -0500 (EST)

>
> On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Anthony Agee
> >
> > On to brighter things:  Has anybody listened to Aphex Twin's newest?  It's
> > had glowing reviews stateside....but I can't find it anywhere.
> >
> > Yes we have it at the radio station. "To Save A Weakling Child" is very
> good. "Beetles" is fun as well I like to use it to intro to a distorted
> "Revolution"(the Beatles) on the Psychedelic Show.
>     Honestly though, I see touches of commercial influence, and I'd
> say it's not their best work.
>         Sincerly, he he -guess who!  Who?
>
    Yes, I've been listening to the last album for about a month now and I
think that even though it doesn't have the typical Aphex twin sound to it,
it's still awesome enough!

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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Video Chat
Date: 03 Feb 1997 19:51:38 -0500 (EST)

>
> its different from the rest,  its has a catchy James Bond feel to it.. B^)
> so i dont think its crud...
>
> >I suspect I know the answer to this, but does anyone else
> >prefer the vocal version of The Box to all it's other
> >incarnations?
Your taste is yours so let it be bro. They're both fat.

  I taped the album for my car and replaced the LP
> >version with it, does that qualify as deviant behaviour?
>
>
>
>         -Chris Herz
>
> [e-mail]
>
> http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish
>
>
>


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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: anyone else getting this? (list related)
Date: 03 Feb 1997 17:14:36 -0700

is anybody else getting this or am i just special?  B^)  sorry in advance
if this miffs anyone...


Mime-Version: 1.0
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FROM: BAESEMA1/NMSVAX36/POSTMASTER
TO: Chris Herz                                                 DATE: 04-02-97
                                                               TIME: 00:01
SUBJECT: Mail failure

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FROM:    Chris Herz (SMTP:[e-mail])

TO:      SMTP:[e-mail]

SUBJECT: Re: Video Chat


its different from the rest,  its has a catchy James Bond feel to it.. B^)
so i dont think its crud...

>I suspect I know the answer to this, but does anyone else
>prefer the vocal version of The Box to all it's other
>incarnations?  I taped the album for my car and replaced the LP
>version with it, does that qualify as deviant behaviour?


        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: other mailinglists?
Date: 03 Feb 1997 20:16:25 -0500 (EST)

F.S.O.L. is the shit

                       joe

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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: orbital sample page
Date: 03 Feb 1997 18:56:03 -0700

aight... the time has come (almost) ... i guess you can consider this a
plug...  im composing a page w/ samples from all the Orbital CDs (not
including remix CDs like Diversions, but i think theres a sample of Impact
already)  they're all gunna be in AIFF form cuz its the only thing i can
make..  also the sound quality isnt the best, its at 8bits 11mhz.. so its
enuf to have a person dwnld and not go crazy, and you can hear stuff fairly
well...  they're around 1-1:30 mins...   im done w/ the brown album
(orbital 2)  if y'all wanna have links to your Orbital pages or have some
samples of yer own, go ahead and mail me privetly.. B^)    i should be done
w/ this whole thing-ma-gig by next week... im done advertising...   B^)
later!



        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: phone
Date: 03 Feb 1997 22:30:03 -0800


                Hi Gang, definitely not Orbital related, but VERY IMPORTANT
so please read and respond to the FCC so that we won't be unfairly charged
per minute...man, this one has really got me
pissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> Date: Monday, February 03, 1997 7:50 PM

>> From: [e-mail]
>> > > To: [e-mail]
>> > > Subject: TELEPHONE CHARGES
>> > > Date: Monday, February 03, 1997 11:31 AM
>> > >
>> > > SY>Subject: FCC Imposed Charges
>> > >
>> > > SY>I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter
>> > currently
>> > > SY>under review by the FCC.  Your local telephone company has filed a
>> > > SY>proposal with the FCC to impose  * per minute charges * for your
>> > > SY>internet service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder
>> the
>> > > SY>operation of the telephone network.
>> > >
>> > > SY>It is our belief that internet usage will diminish if users were
>> > > SY>required to pay additional per minute charges. We also feel that
>> > > SY>singling out one area may lead to ALL of your phonecalls being
>> charged
>> > > SY>"by the minute" with future legislation.
>> > > SY>The FCC has created an email box for your comments, responses must
>> be
>> > > SY>received by February 13, 1997. Send your comments to [e-mail]
>and
>> > > SY>tell them what you think.
>> > >
>> > > SY>Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so
>all
>> > our
>> > > SY>voices may be heard.
>> > >
>> > > SY>Thanks for your time.
>> > > SY>For up to the minute info, visit http://www.fcc.gov
>> > > SY>Good reading that will make you sick:
>> > > SY>http://www.fcc.gov/bandwidth/love.html
>> > > SY>The Internet Access Providers Alliance
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > SY>PS:  The average ISP has 100 phone lines or more.  We pay an
>average
>> > of $2,1
>> > > SY>The Bell phone company already makes ($2,100 + $3,800 + $825.00)
>--
>> $
>> > > SY>6,725.00 per MONTH  average off each ISP.  There are thousands of
>> > ISP's.
>> > > SY>   Apparently the Bell companies want to triple their income
>without
>> > > SY>providing additional value or guarantees.
>> > > SY>If you WANT to pay   -Per Minute-   access charges to the Phone
>> > Company
>> > > SY>then do nothing.
>> > > SY>Otherwise voice your opinion to this email address:  [e-mail]
>> > >
>> > >
>

    ETX,

    Trent See


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From: Siamese Dream <[e-mail]>
Subject: phone...welcome to the real world
Date: 04 Feb 1997 09:27:08 +0000 (GMT)

>                 Hi Gang, definitely not Orbital related, but VERY IMPORTANT
> so please read and respond to the FCC so that we won't be unfairly charged
> per minute...man, this one has really got me
> pissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> > > Subject: TELEPHONE CHARGES
> >> > > Date: Monday, February 03, 1997 11:31 AM
> >> > >
> >> > > SY>Subject: FCC Imposed Charges
> cant be bothered to include rest of message.......

Welcome to the real world my friend, us brits have been paying extortionate
rates for internet access for years to those greedy monopolising wankers known
as British Telecom :(

later

james
:-)))
[e-mail]

"there's this third world....the world of objective thought"

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From: "Yan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Desert Storm/The Brats
Date: 04 Feb 1997 12:00:07 +0000

Desert Storm: can anyone else hear the theme from the Sega (the old
16 bit one) game of the same name within the Orbital track, or am I
alone in my delusion?


Saw The O-Zone (English kiddie-pop prog) on Sunday. It covered the
Brats and had many mini-interviews with bands saying the same things
over and over "Yah, its great that the kids vote for these awards"
etc. Then, there was Paul Hartnoll and Karl Hyde (the mad one from
Underworld) looking a bit pissed. The interviewer says "So what's the
future of dance music then?" Paul says "Techno on wheels!" Karl says
"The Pennine Way!" and they both collapse in laughter. Maybe you had
to be there, but it sure was more fun than anything else said....

yan
Ian Silvester,              "He dreams.. while he's not sleeping"
Research Associate.                             - The Chameleons

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From: "Kell A. Simon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orbital sample page
Date: 04 Feb 1997 10:26:12 -0500 (EST)



On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Chris Herz wrote:

> aight... the time has come (almost) ... i guess you can consider this a
> plug...  im composing a page w/ samples from all the Orbital CDs (not

i ask this question in all ignorance and honesty:
why set up a sample page with music from cds that most anyone interested
in it already has?  this strikes me as peculiar but maybe there are
benefits to it like promo cds or something?  just wondering...
k


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From: "neil lawrence" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: phone
Date: 04 Feb 1997 18:54:03 -0000

Welcome to the real world, man. We pat in the UK and no-one's crying for
us.

Lawrence

----------
> From: tsee <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Fw: phone
> Date: 04 February 1997 06:30
>
>
>                 Hi Gang, definitely not Orbital related, but VERY
IMPORTANT
> so please read and respond to the FCC so that we won't be unfairly
charged
> per minute...man, this one has really got me
> pissed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> >> Date: Monday, February 03, 1997 7:50 PM
>
> >> From: [e-mail]
> >> > > To: [e-mail]
> >> > > Subject: TELEPHONE CHARGES
> >> > > Date: Monday, February 03, 1997 11:31 AM
> >> > >
> >> > > SY>Subject: FCC Imposed Charges
> >> > >
> >> > > SY>I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter
> >> > currently
> >> > > SY>under review by the FCC.  Your local telephone company has
filed a
> >> > > SY>proposal with the FCC to impose  * per minute charges * for
your
> >> > > SY>internet service. They contend that your usage has or will
hinder
> >> the
> >> > > SY>operation of the telephone network.
> >> > >
> >> > > SY>It is our belief that internet usage will diminish if users
were
> >> > > SY>required to pay additional per minute charges. We also feel
that
> >> > > SY>singling out one area may lead to ALL of your phonecalls being
> >> charged
> >> > > SY>"by the minute" with future legislation.
> >> > > SY>The FCC has created an email box for your comments, responses
must
> >> be
> >> > > SY>received by February 13, 1997. Send your comments to
[e-mail]
> >and
> >> > > SY>tell them what you think.
> >> > >
> >> > > SY>Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet
so
> >all
> >> > our
> >> > > SY>voices may be heard.
> >> > >
> >> > > SY>Thanks for your time.
> >> > > SY>For up to the minute info, visit http://www.fcc.gov
> >> > > SY>Good reading that will make you sick:
> >> > > SY>http://www.fcc.gov/bandwidth/love.html
> >> > > SY>The Internet Access Providers Alliance
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > SY>PS:  The average ISP has 100 phone lines or more.  We pay an
> >average
> >> > of $2,1
> >> > > SY>The Bell phone company already makes ($2,100 + $3,800 +
$825.00)
> >--
> >> $
> >> > > SY>6,725.00 per MONTH  average off each ISP.  There are thousands
of
> >> > ISP's.
> >> > > SY>   Apparently the Bell companies want to triple their income
> >without
> >> > > SY>providing additional value or guarantees.
> >> > > SY>If you WANT to pay   -Per Minute-   access charges to the Phone
> >> > Company
> >> > > SY>then do nothing.
> >> > > SY>Otherwise voice your opinion to this email address:
[e-mail]
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >
>
>     ETX,
>
>     Trent See

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From: ebbhead <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: phone
Date: 04 Feb 1997 14:29:39 -0500

>Welcome to the real world, man. We pat in the UK and no-one's crying for
>us.
I'm crying for ya! :..(  The phone companies are nothing but a bunch of
crooks!  Please don't let it happen to us here in the US!  NOOOOOOOOOOOO...!

___________________________________________________________

 _|_ |_ |_  _ _  _|    e-mail:  [e-mail]
(-|_)|_)| )(-(_|(_|      http://www.purplenet.net/~ebbhead/
___________________________________________________________


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From: ^EA^ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Organic '97  USA  ONLY
Date: 04 Feb 1997 14:33:48 -0800

>From Dirtylist post

<--SNIP-->
    SPIN ONLINE reports THE ORGANIC FESTIVAL plans to launch
         a full-scale festival tour this summer that will launch in
         either New York or Boston on July 4th, and travel across the
         country for around 6 weeks. Last year's ORGANIC featured
         performances by UNDERWORLD, ORB, ORBITAL, CHEMICAL BROTHERS,
         and MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO. All of those bands are being
         considered for next year's shows, as well as others such as
         PRODIGY (who are also being considered for LOLLAPALOOZA),
         LEFTFIELD, TRICKY, GOLDIE (who you can be sure won't be
         there if Tricky is, and vice versa), MASSIVE ATTACK,
         ELECTRIC SKY CHURCH, HARDKISS, and CRYSTAL METHOD. ORGANIC
         is organized by Gerry Gerrard, booking agent for bands such
         as NIN, PRODIGY, CHEMICAL BROTHERS, and many major UK
         artists.
<--SNIP-->


--


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Desert Storm/The Brats
Date: 04 Feb 1997 15:35:59 -0500 (EST)

In a message earlier today, Ian Silvester wrote:

"Desert Storm: can anyone else hear the theme from the Sega (the old
 16 bit one) game of the same name within the Orbital track, or am I
 alone in my delusion?"

No, I hear old Spectrum themes in there. And if anyone has Flux Trax 2, the
LSG track seems to have bits of the original Daley Thompson's Decathalon (the
one from 1984) as its main theme. Then of course there's the Aphex Twin's
obvious Spectrum love (cf cover of Girl/Boy, sample on RDJ album). beep
1,0....

" Saw The O-Zone (English kiddie-pop prog) on Sunday. [deletia] Then, there
was Paul Hartnoll and Karl Hyde (the mad one from  Underworld) looking a bit
pissed. The interviewer says "So what's the  future of dance music then?"
Paul says "Techno on wheels!" Karl says  "The Pennine Way!" and they both
collapse in laughter. Maybe you had  to be there, but it sure was more fun
than anything else said...."

I can believe that... Wish I'd known it was on, usually it's devoted to the
likes of (duck and cover) the Spice Girls....

Paul Mison. Monsters exist.
http://members.aol.com/pmison/


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: re:TEST!
Date: 04 Feb 1997 22:01:09 GMT

Tis what the subject says!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: re:Wheres Steve ? ORBITAL&SPICE GIRLS
Date: 04 Feb 1997 22:16:28 GMT

For those who asked where i was ...

Im here...in Digest land (much better now...too many messages b4). Ive
started to concentrate on the personal mail (so i should) and put the
other funny stuff on one side (for time being).

Ive got other Personal and work projects that need to be sorted before i
can enjoy the list again (why is it that there is never any off-topic
messages like this when i was subscribed) ;)

As for the rumours...

i) Steve ran off because of the Spice Girl feedback.

This did make me laugh. No chance Toddy! I still stand by my views of they
are good looking girls who release dire records. Hell...someone tried to
connect Orbital and Spice Girls...and there is a slight connection. I
leave you lot to stew on it for a while....but there is an answer to the
connection between (i repeat) Orbital and Spice Girls.

ii) Steve gone to London

Not yet...March (with young..well old :) Mick Wycliffe off the list when
he comes to visit.

iii) Mail Server down.

Yep...its up and down more times than a H***** kegs!
Its up at the moment though.


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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orbital sample page
Date: 04 Feb 1997 22:42:21 -0700

>i ask this question in all ignorance and honesty:
>why set up a sample page with music from cds that most anyone interested
>in it already has?  this strikes me as peculiar but maybe there are
>benefits to it like promo cds or something?  just wondering...

cuz those who have no idea who orbital are, or have no orbital CDs can get
a small taste of their music...  thanks fer wundering tho... B^)



        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: orbital sample page
Date: 04 Feb 1997 11:12:53 -0800

Kell A. Simon[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:

> i ask this question in all ignorance and honesty:
> why set up a sample page with music from cds that most anyone interested
> in it already has?  this strikes me as peculiar but maybe there are
> benefits to it like promo cds or something?  just wondering...
> k

I think it's mostly for people who just got into Orbital.
It would be nice to have rare tracks in MP3 format or
something :)

Shuan
--
. .  .   .    .     .      .       .      .     .    .   .  .


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: re:LOOPZ WEB PAGE
Date: 05 Feb 1997 9:22:40 GMT

New site is there ... still under construction.

But youll get the gist!

Cut and paste this (ITS CASE SENSITIVE)

http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/

Steve LOOPZ Price

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: the naked and the dead
Date: 05 Feb 1997 02:06:29 -0800

 sorry to ask this if it's a common question, but does anyone know why the
brothers made a song called "the naked and the dead"?   I've been wondering
that for a while, then in the library today I came across a book by Norman
Mailer called "The NAked and the Dead"   Is this just a coincidence, or are
the brothers hartnoll trying to get me to read the book?  just
wondering.......
ryan

...so I thought to myself, "what would God do in this situation?"
Then it came to me.  Locusts.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Chime 12"Omen12"Auction Update 5.2.97
Date: 05 Feb 1997 13:51:25 +0000

The auction closes at midnight Weds 5th/Thurs 6th. Bids after this will not
count.

As of 5th Feb current bids are as follows

Chime 12": =A325 (twenty-five pounds)
Omen 12": =A319 (nineteen pounds)

These bids do not include postage and packing, though that is only likely
to be a couple of pounds extra depending on where the records are going
(about six pounds outside the UK as I'm  proposing to send them recorded
delivery.)

thanks

Y. Song



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From: Heikki Henriksen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Halcyon / $hopping
Date: 05 Feb 1997 16:35:57 +0100 (MET)

While on the topic of _my_favourite_ever_orbital_tune_
(ofcoz Halcyon +on +on +on):

I'd just like to recommend the movie "$hopping" by Paul Anderson
("Mortal Kombat", but I don't think he is the same as P. "trouble" A.).

I've never seen a song fit so perfectly into a movie. Every time
the two main persons in it (Billy and Jo) are starting to get
close, you can hear the beautiful strings coming up in the back-
ground. (unfortunately it always cuts out before the opus3-vocals
get in)

There's also some stuff in there by Sabres of Paradise and Utah Saints ++.

And the movie's great, too.....

  heikki

Heikki Henriksen                         e-mail:[e-mail]
Osloveien 16                             http://www.stud.ntnu.no/~heikkih/
7018 Trondheim                           tlf1: 73 50 45 93
Norway                                   tlf2: 906 55 216


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From: scott warner <[e-mail]>
Subject: spamspam
Date: 05 Feb 1997 08:24:06 -0800 (PST)


That "FCC Charging rates for Computer Telecommunications" is one of the
OLDEST yarns on the net.  It's so old that it existed on bulletin board
systems before I even knew what the internet was.

In other words, disregard it.


scott warner
[e-mail]

the dirtysite  http://www.west.net/~dirty





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: LOOPZ WEB PAGE
Date: 05 Feb 1997 12:23:21 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 05/02/97  13:33:08, you write:

<< [e-mail] >>


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Halcyon
Date: 05 Feb 1997 12:24:44 -0500 (EST)

Jon wrote:

"At 03:38 03/02/97 -0500, [e-mail] wrote:

 >>"ok i'll bite.  can anyone describe the difference between the original
 >> halcyon (never heard it) and the on+on version on 2? "
 >
 >The single version (on Radiccio UK, at least) is shorter, more 'beaty' or
 >dancefloor orientated, than the version on Brown. (Unfortunately, I don't
 >have copies to hand as I write or it would be a bit more comprehensible
than
 >this...)

 well my Radiccio has Halcyon 11:07, and my Brown has Halcyon+on+on 9:27,
 which makes the Radiccio version longer. This is now beginning to concern
 me, the review (in Select mag) I read for Brown said the album version is
 longer, and now you're saying it is, and I always thought the title implied
 the album version was longer, have I got a dodgy copy of Brown, or is
 everybody lying.

 Jon"

I actually brought in my CDs to answer this and you're right, the Brown
version is shorter. I must have got confused by the titles too. Malciousness
from the Bros. or something? Ooer.....    Paul.


 Jon Green: [e-mail]
 "Then the clouds opened up over the target,
  target was there pretty as a picture.
  I made the run, let the bomb go,
 that was my biggest thrill"




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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Date: 07 Feb 1997 08:20:00 -0600

list orbital

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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Damn mailing list!
Date: 07 Feb 1997 08:20:49 -0600

Hey, did anybody else get kicked off the mailing list??  This is the 3rd
time this has happened...I hope I didn't miss any good posts!!


[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Re: Damn mailing list!
Date: 07 Feb 1997 10:10:50 -0500

>Hey, did anybody else get kicked off the mailing list??  This is the 3rd
>time this has happened...I hope I didn't miss any good posts!!
>
>
>[e-mail]

Hey,  there's no one here.  Everyone got booted yesterday.  I'm the first
one back.  This system sucks!

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Damn mailing list!
Date: 07 Feb 1997 16:06:00 +0000

At 10:10 07/02/97 -0500, StarPango wrote:
>>Hey, did anybody else get kicked off the mailing list??  This is the 3rd
>>time this has happened...I hope I didn't miss any good posts!!
>>
>>
>>[e-mail]
>
>Hey,  there's no one here.  Everyone got booted yesterday.  I'm the first
>one back.  This system sucks!
>
>StarPango

I've asked majordomo-owner what's going on, we'll see what the reason is...

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Pete Ashdown <[e-mail]>
Subject: List restored
Date: 07 Feb 1997 11:25:42 -0700 (MST)


Majordomo nuked the list the other day.  I have restored it from backup.

Pete

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From: John Tolva <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Orbital Webcast
Date: 07 Feb 1997 13:46:32 -0600

Hi everyone.

Just wanted to inform you of the new site that is up at:

http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/ptrl/orbital/index.html

It is a VERY extensive webcast of the November 23 Orbital show in Atlanta.
There is streaming Shockwave audio of the concert linked to images from
each of the songs; streaming audio and images from an interview conducted
at the show; an interactive light show application; hundreds of images in a
custom image browser; and lots of other interesting stuff.

Take a look if you are so inclined.  The site is much more than an audio
stream of the concert.

Thanks.

John

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From: ^EA^ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: List restored
Date: 07 Feb 1997 13:52:14 -0800

Pete Ashdown wrote:
>
> Majordomo nuked the list the other day.  I have restored it from backup.
>
> Pete

Thanks pete , did wonder if i would have to re-sub, guess not :)
cheers,
Mick


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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: List restored
Date: 07 Feb 1997 16:03:53 -0800

At 11:25 AM 2/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Majordomo nuked the list the other day.  I have restored it from backup.
>
>Pete
>
>
                Way to go Pete, thought everyone was too busy listening too
Orbital for a while...:-)

    ETX,

    Trent See


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orbital boots?
Date: 07 Feb 1997 20:39:03 -0500 (EST)

On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, "Are These Actual Miles?" wrote:

> i was wondering if anyone had gotten their hands on any live tapes.
> i'm especially looking for halcyon as well as a copy of the show they did at
> the roxy. i heard that they infused a bon jovi sample into a tune and that
> it was a phenominal show. e-mail me privately if you so desire. i have lots
> of random stuff that i might be able to tempt you with.
> thanks,
> liebs

    There is a CD called 'Dipping Into the Cyberworld' that contains
their Woodstock '94 performance, but it's listed as being by The Orb in
every catalog Ive seen. Not been able to lay my hands on a copy yet..

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orbital boots?
Date: 07 Feb 1997 20:22:13 -0600 (CST)

If anyone knows where I can get my hands on any live footage or that CD
"Dipping Into The Cyberworld", post it here!

Reality


On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, The Box wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, "Are These Actual Miles?" wrote:
>
> > i was wondering if anyone had gotten their hands on any live tapes.
> > i'm especially looking for halcyon as well as a copy of the show they did at
> > the roxy. i heard that they infused a bon jovi sample into a tune and that
> > it was a phenominal show. e-mail me privately if you so desire. i have lots
> > of random stuff that i might be able to tempt you with.
> > thanks,
> > liebs
>
>     There is a CD called 'Dipping Into the Cyberworld' that contains
> their Woodstock '94 performance, but it's listed as being by The Orb in
> every catalog Ive seen. Not been able to lay my hands on a copy yet..
>
> halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
> supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
> winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
>       <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
>           2. Prosperous; golden.
>


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: In defense of Bjork
Date: 08 Feb 1997 16:09:04 -0500 (EST)

I love bjork, how can anyone say she sucks?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: newsletter and unneccesary mail
Date: 08 Feb 1997 16:50:55 -0500 (EST)

I was happy to sign up for this newsletter,but am not happy with what it
really is. I received almost five hundred pieces of junk mail since
january14. I would like to have my name taken off the list. Please reply.
SkrappE

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: In defense of Bjork
Date: 08 Feb 1997 18:32:21 -0500 (EST)

someone said Bjork sucks?!  grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
why do you defile music as we know it with
your less then consious mind?
                   joe

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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: LIST
Date: 08 Feb 1997 15:48:06 -0800

LIST

    ETX,

    Trent See


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From: "Ravis1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: newsletter and unneccesary mail
Date: 08 Feb 1997 19:12:13 -0600

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Your adding to the crap.  This is not how you get off and I don't give a
fuck about your Bjork feelings.

This is the Orbital mailing list.

Get a life and a real ISP.
         _
        / \    /\
       /__/      \
      /  \        \
     /    \AVIS  \\\\

 [e-mail]
 http://www.concentric.net/~ravis1/

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> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: newsletter and unneccesary mail
> Date: Saturday, February 08, 1997 3:50 PM
>
> I was happy to sign up for this newsletter,but am not happy with what it
> really is. I received almost five hundred pieces of junk mail since
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: newsletter and unneccesary mail
Date: 08 Feb 1997 22:05:58 -0500 (EST)

what the fuck have you got to say about bjork if she is no concern of yours,
this being an ORBITAL mailing list, as you say?

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From: sean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: newsletter and unneccesary mail
Date: 08 Feb 1997 22:47:06 -0500 (EST)

this being the ORBITAL mailing list, or (newsletter) that you want to get
off but do not know how.
bjork is good*

* devils advocacy
sean


    accept less                expect more
                s......e......a......n


On Sat, 8 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> what the fuck have you got to say about bjork if she is no concern of yours,
> this being an ORBITAL mailing list, as you say?
>


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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hey, where did everyone go?
Date: 09 Feb 1997 09:28:32 -0600

Where is everybody? STEVE are you out there?  Helloooo?  Anybody?


Just decided that I actually like Prodigy after all. Saw them on some MTV
fashion show thing yesterday.  Those guys are CRAZY.


Orbital:   The more that I listen to other electronic music, the more I
respect the brothers.  They're almost like the classical musicians of the
Electronica World, aren't they?  Man I just wish I could play the piano
like they do....


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From: Smith <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hey, where did everyone go?
Date: 09 Feb 1997 13:32:45 -0500

Anthony Agee wrote:
>
> Where is everybody? STEVE are you out there?  Helloooo?  Anybody?
>
> Just decided that I actually like Prodigy after all. Saw them on some MTV
> fashion show thing yesterday.  Those guys are CRAZY.
>
> Orbital:   The more that I listen to other electronic music, the more I
> respect the brothers.  They're almost like the classical musicians of the
> Electronica World, aren't they?  Man I just wish I could play the piano
> like they do....

hahaha..... what brothers are you acually referring too? chemical?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: In defense of Bjork
Date: 09 Feb 1997 15:34:43 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-08 16:16:26 EST, you write:

<<
 I love bjork, how can anyone say she sucks?
  >>
Because she does

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From: "damien a. haussling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: In defense of Bjork -Reply
Date: 09 Feb 1997 15:38:54 -0500

Well, Bjork  is one of the few musicians out there with the ability to
scream and get away with it...

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From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hey, where did everyone go?
Date: 09 Feb 1997 15:49:41 -0500

> > Orbital:   The more that I listen to other electronic music, the more I
> > respect the brothers.  They're almost like the classical musicians of the
> > Electronica World, aren't they?  Man I just wish I could play the piano
> > like they do....
>
> hahaha..... what brothers are you acually referring too? chemical?

I think he's referring to P&P Hartnoll you dumbass
Hans Lo                            email: [e-mail]
                            Political Science/History Co-op
 "Who I am is all that I have left"    University of Waterloo


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From: Jon Romley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hey, where did everyone go?
Date: 09 Feb 1997 12:58:00 -0800

>Anthony Agee wrote:
>>
>> Where is everybody? STEVE are you out there?  Helloooo?  Anybody?
>>
>> Just decided that I actually like Prodigy after all. Saw them on some MTV
>> fashion show thing yesterday.  Those guys are CRAZY.
>>
>> Orbital:   The more that I listen to other electronic music, the more I
>> respect the brothers.  They're almost like the classical musicians of the
>> Electronica World, aren't they?  Man I just wish I could play the piano
>> like they do....
>
>hahaha..... what brothers are you acually referring too? chemical?

The Orbital Bros.- Paul & Phil Hartnoll.

I guess the fact that the paragraph started with "Orbital:" didn't hint you
enough.

-Jon

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From: "Seamus (James) Swift" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Everybody, calm down ?
Date: 09 Feb 1997 22:22:58 -0000

I think that everybody should spend less time worrying about the content
of each others messages and just ignore them if they don't contain relative
information etc. I really enjoy this list and disscussions that drift away
from the main theme are not always a bad thing, They have given me valuable
information about music other than orbital. I am saying this in the hope
that this list does not degenerate into a big argument arena like so many
other places on the internet, e.g. humor newsgroups which 95% of the
dissusion is bickering. This list is full of intelligent like minded people
who can get along if they just accept a little divergence. I'm sure the
brothers don't just talk about their favourite tune all the time ?
    I also aggree that non Orbital threads can go on for quite an amount of
time so it would be appreciated if people would consider the destination
(or title) of their postings before sending them. But I don't think its
that bad we have to swear and annoy each other.

    By the way I got a copy of Peel Session for my birthday an I *love* Walk
about.

Thanks for reading this.


::  \   Seamus (James) Swift
     |    a.k.a.  "whois"
::  /  Laughter is just Slaughter without an S


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From: "damien a. haussling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Orbital's new workings..
Date: 09 Feb 1997 17:48:57 -0500

I heard that the boys are doing some work the english funk-punkers Pop
Will Eat Itself.  Can anybody confirm or deny this rumor?  Has anyone
heard any of it?  I'd like to hear some of it because I am also a big PWEI
fan...


D. A. Haussling

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: In defense of Bjork
Date: 09 Feb 1997 17:53:20 -0500 (EST)

well i guess we've all got our little opinions :  )

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Everybody, calm down ?
Date: 09 Feb 1997 17:27:40 -0600 (CST)

Is "Peel Session" an import? On "Diversions" Track 2 makes a reference to
"Walk About", is this a single or what?

On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Seamus (James) Swift wrote:

> I think that everybody should spend less time worrying about the content
> of each others messages and just ignore them if they don't contain relative
> information etc. I really enjoy this list and disscussions that drift away
> from the main theme are not always a bad thing, They have given me valuable
> information about music other than orbital. I am saying this in the hope
> that this list does not degenerate into a big argument arena like so many
> other places on the internet, e.g. humor newsgroups which 95% of the
> dissusion is bickering. This list is full of intelligent like minded people
> who can get along if they just accept a little divergence. I'm sure the
> brothers don't just talk about their favourite tune all the time ?
>     I also aggree that non Orbital threads can go on for quite an amount of
> time so it would be appreciated if people would consider the destination
> (or title) of their postings before sending them. But I don't think its
> that bad we have to swear and annoy each other.
>
>     By the way I got a copy of Peel Session for my birthday an I *love* Walk
> about.
>
> Thanks for reading this.
>
>
> ::  \   Seamus (James) Swift
>      |    a.k.a.  "whois"
> ::  /  Laughter is just Slaughter without an S
>


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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Orbital Music Video
Date: 09 Feb 1997 17:30:52 -0800

Hello all, glad to see everyone is still awake on here.  And ditto what
Seamus (James) Swift wrote.

My queston: Is there a music video tape of all of Orbital's videos they have
done?  I have been looking and asking for one but have come up dry.

Any help is welcome.
        \ \ | / /
        (o  o)
---------------------o00o--( )--o00o-----------------------
    ETX,

    Trent See


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From: "damien a. haussling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Orbital Music Video -Reply
Date: 09 Feb 1997 21:00:03 -0500

Tsee, my friend, I saw an Orbital vid at Tower Records, maybe a year
ago (I think)...It might have been and Orb video, though.  My suggestion
would be to call Tower mailorder at 1 (800) ASKTOWER, they'll be able to
help, I hope...

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From: Ash <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orbital Digest V2 #179
Date: 10 Feb 1997 10:34:43 +0800

>From: [e-mail]
>Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 16:09:04 -0500 (EST)
>Subject: Re: In defense of Bjork/ off topic from orbital.

>I love bjork, how can anyone say she sucks?

I second.  She's the best.  Provocative lyrics, splendid music, inimitable
style, forerunner in the scene, gets winners as remixers and co-workers
(e.g. Howie B., Goldie, Black Dog, Doby, Tricky, Skunk Anasie, Deodato, the
works....).  And the best thing is she's versatile---from jazz standards to
howling Army Of Me.  Even Bedtime Stories by Madonna (remixed by our beloved
Orbital) was written by Bjork and Nellee Hopper
She's COOL!

Entity


>> what the fuck have you got to say about bjork if she is no concern of yours,
>> this being an ORBITAL mailing list, as you say?

Now, i think pple in Mailing Lists should talk widely.  Maybe we shouldn't
start a thread on Bjork coz that defeats the whole purpose.  But the
occasional mentions... what's the big deal?!  It helps you keep in touch
with the hippiest, like 'em or not.  Sometimes our HUGE signoff signatures
take up more lines than a mere line of " Bjork is cool " or "chemical
brothers are rave!"

So what's there to bitch about?

E n t i t y --------------------------------------------------------------------




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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital's new workings..
Date: 09 Feb 1997 22:20:03 -0500 (EST)

>
> I heard that the boys are doing some work the english funk-punkers Pop
> Will Eat Itself.  Can anybody confirm or deny this rumor?  Has anyone
> heard any of it?  I'd like to hear some of it because I am also a big PWEI
> fan...
>
>
> D. A. Haussling
>

So am I,whoever you are. And if you ever find out if that's true,let me
know!

my e-mail is:  [e-mail]

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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: List restored
Date: 09 Feb 1997 22:23:06 -0500 (EST)

>
> Does anybody know if Orbital will be touring near the San Francisco Bay
> area soon? Id sure love to see them live sometime!!! I heard the Box is
> really fantastic live.
>
> from [e-mail]
>

No but let me know if they are to play in NYC or Turkey!


I'm serious.

[e-mail]

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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital Music Video
Date: 09 Feb 1997 22:39:29 -0700

i just have the vids tape from AMP...  Halcyon (didn't get the very
beginning), The Box, and Are We Here....

if you find anything else, leme know...   if you put the info up on here,
people might get a wee bit pissy...  ;^)  (just kidding!!)





        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Orbital for Tribal Gathering '97?
Date: 10 Feb 1997 03:34:17 -0500 (EST)

Hi. I've been seeing reports that Orbital are confirmed for Tribal Gathering,
in May this year. (For those that don't know, Tribal Gathering is a one-day
dance festival held near Luton in the UK.)

 Can anyone (ie Steve) confirm this?

 Paul Mison. be careful. be very careful.
 http://members.aol.com/pmison/

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From: sean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: In defense of Bjork
Date: 10 Feb 1997 05:28:22 -0500 (EST)




> In a message dated 97-02-08 16:16:26 EST, you write:
>
> <<
>  I love bjork, how can anyone say she sucks?
>   >>
> Because she does
>
more time wasted by @aol.com, typical.

sean



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Digest response
Date: 10 Feb 1997 13:38:49 GMT

>>Orbital:   The more that I listen to other electronic music, the more I
>>respect the brothers.  They're almost like the classical musicians of
>>the Electronica World, aren't they?  Man I just wish I could play the
>>piano like they do....

>hahaha..... what brothers are you acually referring too? chemical?

Chemical Brothers - PAH!
Ant was talking about classical musicians of the Electronica World - not
the boring 303 , commercial pop techno artists.

He must be talking about the Hartnoll brothers.


>>Your adding to the crap.  This is not how you get off and I don't give a
>>fuck about your Bjork feelings.

Oh dear!
This is why i got off the list - too much crap and too many messages. The
digest is a lot easier to errrr digest.

Someone also asked about Orbital touring this year - NO PLANS.

APart from Tribal Gathering and maybe somewhere else (not Glasto) that
should be all.

Cheers

Steve
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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Re: newsletter and unneccesary mail
Date: 10 Feb 1997 09:10:34 -0500

>Your adding to the crap.  This is not how you get off and I don't give a
>fuck about your Bjork feelings.
>
>This is the Orbital mailing list.
>
>Get a life and a real ISP.

quite said Ravis!  and i must agree with Seamus on this one.   do you
remember "Jonny the Scot" - i have to admit that was a memorable one that
lasted a couple weeks but SkrappE isn't worth the cause.....if ppl can't
contribute then let them know how to get off the list or filter them out of
your mail baby!!!  everyone had a good time....oh and about the Halcyon
live....well i don't know if its my place to be offering but i have a tape
of the halcyon with Bon Jovi and Belinda Carlyle (SP!)  get back to me on
that one.

StarPango

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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Re: Everybody, calm down ?
Date: 10 Feb 1997 09:15:32 -0500

>Is "Peel Session" an import? On "Diversions" Track 2 makes a reference to
>"Walk About", is this a single or what?
>
yeh it's an import....i have a 2cd set that include the Brown Album + John
Peel Sessions.   And yes Walk About is on it........and it's just what its
says it is sessions : re remixes and such.  hope that helps :)  i would
suggest you get it.  cdnow has it for sale by itself or u can run over to
cdbanzai and buy the 2cd set for $22.98 here in the states.

StarPango

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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Re: Orbital Music Video
Date: 10 Feb 1997 09:19:51 -0500

>Hello all, glad to see everyone is still awake on here.  And ditto what
>Seamus (James) Swift wrote.
>
>My queston: Is there a music video tape of all of Orbital's videos they have
>done?  I have been looking and asking for one but have come up dry.
>
>Any help is welcome.
Sorry to say i don't believe anything on NTSC format i know there are ppl
on the list who have tapes of several videos but if you're here in the
states you should better find someone who has a VHS format recorder to
change it over.  about 6 months ago Digger [ who no longer exists, i
believe :)  ] offered to reformat copies but never stuck with his word !
oh well, it'll happen some day be patient

StarPango

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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Digger, Pagers, and Walk About
Date: 10 Feb 1997 08:33:16 -0600

BTW....

Does anybody know what the difference between the Peel Sessions Walk About
and the Diversions Walk About is?  I've never heard the Peel version and
since I'm a huge fan of Walk Now, Walk About I'd like to hear it.  Any
input?

>Digger [ who no longer exists, i
> believe :)  ] offered to reformat copies but never stuck with his word !
> oh well, it'll happen some day be patient
>

I bet that Digger doesn't know he's off the list.  I assume he's busy with
school because he hasn't been too vocal as of late.  If anybody wants to
contact him, I think his e-mail is [e-mail] or something close to
that.

> StarPango
>
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lol damn man! You've got a shitload of pagers!

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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Re: Digger, Pagers, and Walk About
Date: 10 Feb 1997 09:54:10 -0500

>lol damn man! You've got a shitload of pagers!

Agee it's all routed through my ONE pager i just have bunch of different
ways to let people get a hold of me.  Don't try using the website or the
email b/c it's 8 digit local telephone number and does not work yet....have
to wait for the telephone company to get caught up with me :)

StarPango

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From: "Jonathan Mesiano-Crookston" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Diversions ...
Date: 10 Feb 1997 10:12:28 -0500

Don't deny it!  At 9:15 10 Feb 97, StarPango uttered the following about
Re: Everybody, calm down ?!!

> >Is "Peel Session" an import? On "Diversions" Track 2 makes a reference to
> >"Walk About", is this a single or what?

    Diversions is the single, however it is a very good buy, as it clocks in
at 55 minutes for the price of a single.  On it there are remixes of
Impact USA, Lush 3, 3-5, 3-4, and 3-3 and a song named Semi-Detached.  The
latter half of the Lush 3 Remix is actually linked into a remix of Walk
Now (I believe it's called, as believe it or not I haven't found the brown
album anywhere yet!!)  entitled Walk Around.  It's quite beat heavy, and I
love it.  One of those songs that's sort of remixed so much you wonder
where it came from.  At any rate, I can't directly compare the two as I
don't have the brown.

    Jonathan

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From: sean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Digger, Pagers, and Walk About
Date: 10 Feb 1997 10:19:29 -0500 (EST)

once that script does work, look out.
like ice cube ,your beepa' will be blowin' up.

    accept less                expect more
                s......e......a......n


On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, StarPango wrote:

> >lol damn man! You've got a shitload of pagers!
>
> Agee it's all routed through my ONE pager i just have bunch of different
> ways to let people get a hold of me.  Don't try using the website or the
> email b/c it's 8 digit local telephone number and does not work yet....have
> to wait for the telephone company to get caught up with me :)
>
> StarPango
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>


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From: Heikki Henriksen <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: Orbital-gig, somewhere else. (not Glasto)
Date: 10 Feb 1997 16:41:08 +0100 (MET)

Steve Price wrote in the digest:

> Someone also asked about Orbital touring this year - NO PLANS.
> APart from Tribal Gathering and maybe somewhere else (not Glasto) that
> should be all.

Please let it be the Quart-festival in Norway :)

I was really disappointed in them last summer, when they canceled.

Almost burnt my Orbital-collection in protest. (luckily, i came to
my senses after a couple a days)

  heikki

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Autechre is fantastic!
Date: 10 Feb 1997 15:39:24 -0500

     Get inculabula and tri reparte too - you'll never regret it!


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I just bought my first Autechre-album =

and it's called Amber. I just want to =

say that its awesome!!!!!
I love it!

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From: Jon Romley <[e-mail]>
Subject: PAL to NTSC
Date: 10 Feb 1997 09:20:24 -0800

Hey....

FYI- I can do PAL to NTSC conversions.

Who needed it done?

-Jon


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Orbital's new workings..
Date: 10 Feb 1997 17:29:20 GMT


>I heard that the boys are doing some work the english funk-punkers Pop
>Will Eat Itself.  Can anybody confirm or deny this rumor?  Has anyone

sounds like bollocks to me, hope so anyway.

PS when is the movie "The Saint" being released, and what is the
orbital version of the theme gonna be called? (probably "The Saint",
to go with "The Box", "The Tranquilizer", "The Moebius" and however
many other choons they have starting with "The" that I can't think of
and can't be bothered scouring my record collection to find out coz
it's a bit pointless really innit?)

take it easy
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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orbital boots?
Date: 10 Feb 1997 11:09:14 -0700 (MST)

>     There is a CD called 'Dipping Into the Cyberworld' that contains
> their Woodstock '94 performance, but it's listed as being by The Orb in
> every catalog Ive seen. Not been able to lay my hands on a copy yet..

"Dipping Into The Cyberworld" is listed as an Orb boot in every catalog you've
seen because it *is* an Orb boot!

    CD:    1994 ?? (Psycho Studios; PSYCHO 01 / UPC: 9 034649 152167)
    [Live Woodstock (soundboard, excellent quality):]
      5:25    Outlands
      2:41    Mudslickers
      8:34    Valley
     13:06    Towers Of Dub
      4:20    U.F.Orb
    [Other live (good quality, "radio fm England 1994"):]
      8:10    Little Fluffy Clouds
     10:50    Blue Room
      1:23    Earth (gaia)
      9:50    Close Encounters
      7:45    A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain...

--
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Hey, where did everyone go?
Date: 10 Feb 1997 14:12:47 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-09 10:35:59 EST, you write:

<< Orbital:   The more that I listen to other electronic music, the more I
 respect the brothers.  They're almost like the classical musicians of the
 Electronica World, aren't they?  Man I just wish I could play the piano
 like they do....
  >>
You aren't the only one that feels this way. Don't get me wrong, there are a
lot of other electronic musicians out there that I love, but none of them
seem to be as beautiful or talented as Orbital............<wishing I could
play Kein Trink Wasser about now>

Peace and whatnot,
Matt

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From: "Seamus (James) Swift" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Orbital & VRML ?
Date: 10 Feb 1997 19:24:02 -0000

I am writing a VRML multiuser enviroment at the moment (isnt everyone ?)
and if I get it finished I would love to have a server dedicated to the
members of the list just for orbital chat etc. If I can get it done is
anyone interested in hosting the server program ?



::  \   Seamus (James) Swift
     |    a.k.a.  "whois"
::  /  Laughter is just Slaughter without an S

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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Up and Running
Date: 11 Feb 1997 15:28:24 -0500

If u know what i mean.......email direct is working so if ya really need me
buzz me :)

StarPango

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital Music Video
Date: 10 Feb 1997 15:20:55 -0600 (CST)

What videos have they done besides "The Box"?

On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, tsee wrote:

> Hello all, glad to see everyone is still awake on here.  And ditto what
> Seamus (James) Swift wrote.
>
> My queston: Is there a music video tape of all of Orbital's videos they have
> done?  I have been looking and asking for one but have come up dry.
>
> Any help is welcome.
>         \ \ | / /
>         (o  o)
> ---------------------o00o--( )--o00o-----------------------
>     ETX,
>
>     Trent See
>


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: A little rant & a little plea
Date: 10 Feb 1997 16:22:00 -0500

     Hey everyone - just finished wading through 100-odd mails after not
     being in the office since last Tues (and NO, this isn't a "why do you
     all post irrelevent crap?" mail; I check the interesting ones & scan
     the others when I've time...no problem).  I spent a lot of last week
     in a police station and every 2nd-hand record store in Dublin trying
     to track down any of the 350ish CDs that were taken from our apartment
     last Monday.  Bummer of the year - all our Orbital stuff that took
     YEARS to collect gone for good, as well as loads of other stuff.  I've
     put up a web page, printed lists for all the record shops/markets,
     told EVERYONE we know, told the police everything, but you know how it
     is.  Not much hope of seeing any of it again.
     Oh well, at least they didn't get the 3 Autechre albums we got
     recently!
     SO - rant over, now for the plea - anyone got any spare Orbital stuff
     on CD for a relatively cheapo-cheapo price (will pay for postage too)
     - it took so long to track down all those singles, we haven't a hope
     of finding them here again, even at new prices.  Luckily they didn't
     take any cassettes - they got both US & UK Insides & Sniv, but left
     both these and Brown on cassette, so we're not totally deprived!
     I'll get in touch with Tower and see exactly what we can still order,
     and mail a proper want-list soon.

     Check out http://www.cyberia.ie/~stimpy/homepage.htm

     Depressed & pissed-off,
     Sandy.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Billboard this week...
Date: 10 Feb 1997 18:08:52 -0500 (EST)

Pick up a copy guys and gals if you can...

On page 1, 78-79 is a story about the "Electronic Revolution" and the
explanation behind why alternative music is becoming electronic and rock is
gone, who is who, who is big, etc...Great article to have :-)

Yes it mentions Orbital, Underworld, Prodigy (boo!), Chemical Bros (eh!), BT,
08, Josh Wink, etc...

jamie

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From: aPpLesEeD <[e-mail]>
Subject: Satan Eps/US Live CD?
Date: 11 Feb 1997 11:14:27 +1100

Hi, I'm wondering if there's been any further information about
the fate of the proposed Live Album? The reason I ask is, I have the
`Satan Live' EP no.2 & intend to get no.3 soon, but I was going to pass
on the first EP in favour of the US CD, since it was supposed to be the
entirety of the New York show, from which tracks on no.1 are taken.
Should it be scrapped, however, I'll definitely want to get the first EP
(I couldn't possibly live without a live version of `Out There
Somewhere'- after all, who could? ;-)
--
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From: Brian Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A little rant & a little plea
Date: 10 Feb 1997 19:30:05 -0600

Brian Davis wrote:
>
> hey sandy......sorry to hear about your misfortune....about a year ago

sorry all.....i didn't mean to send that to the list....i'm an idiot.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Orbital for Tribal Gathering '97?
Date: 11 Feb 1997 02:37:31 GMT


>Hi. I've been seeing reports that Orbital are confirmed for Tribal =
Gathering,
>in May this year. (For those that don't know, Tribal Gathering is a =
one-day
>dance festival held near Luton in the UK.)
>
> Can anyone (ie Steve) confirm this?

Orbital are playing, the decision was made after they found out that
Kraftwerk are.
I will most probably be going - I decided that after I saw the line up
in the hardcore and the techno tents! with Orbital as well, you can't
go wrong :)

take it easy
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Digger, Pagers, and Walk About
Date: 11 Feb 1997 02:37:54 GMT


>Does anybody know what the difference between the Peel Sessions Walk =
About
>and the Diversions Walk About is?  I've never heard the Peel version and

no difference, the one on Diversions if taken from Peel Sessions.
Peel Sesh is worth getting for Semi Detached/Attached - one of my fave
Orbital moments.

>since I'm a huge fan of Walk Now, Walk About I'd like to hear it.  Any
>input?

take away the digeridoo and replace it with a sweeping buzzing sound,
add lots of liquidy swirly noises and add a really bouncy echoey tune
about half way through, oh it's great. Lush (eurotunnel disaster 94)
is also top - these two are actually one mix, like semi attached and
bits from Lush are also in walkabout, like insane laughter (a bit like
woody woodpecker actually!) oh it's great, just buy it.

take it easy

>
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From: Brandon Thompson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Digger, Pagers, and Walk About
Date: 10 Feb 1997 21:57:53 -0500 (EST)

How do i get off of this list? orbital is the best but i'm sort of tired
of hearing the same thing repeated in 80 different messages. The good will
outweigh the bad.--  dolemite  [e-mail]

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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital Music Video
Date: 10 Feb 1997 20:22:27 -0700

As for stuff the play on MTV:  The Box, Halcyon, and Are We Here are the
only ones i know  of.... someone was mentioning stuff bout live vids, if i
reckon...

>What videos have they done besides "The Box"?



        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A little rant & a little plea
Date: 10 Feb 1997 20:26:55 -0700

ohmygosh!!!  all sympathy to ya!!  i can look around to see if i can find
anything over here in the states...  i doubt if i can find singles.. ive
been looking for a while.. well maybe Diversions...  i'll post ya privetly
if i come up w/ anything.... B^)  g'luck in yer search...  (thieves blow
wenis!!!)

>     Hey everyone - just finished wading through 100-odd mails after not
>     being in the office since last Tues (and NO, this isn't a "why do you
>     all post irrelevent crap?" mail; I check the interesting ones & scan
>     the others when I've time...no problem).  I spent a lot of last week
>     in a police station and every 2nd-hand record store in Dublin trying
>     to track down any of the 350ish CDs that were taken from our apartment
>     last Monday.  Bummer of the year - all our Orbital stuff that took
>     YEARS to collect gone for good, as well as loads of other stuff.  I've
>     put up a web page, printed lists for all the record shops/markets,
>     told EVERYONE we know, told the police everything, but you know how it
>     is.  Not much hope of seeing any of it again.
>     Oh well, at least they didn't get the 3 Autechre albums we got
>     recently!
>     SO - rant over, now for the plea - anyone got any spare Orbital stuff
>     on CD for a relatively cheapo-cheapo price (will pay for postage too)
>     - it took so long to track down all those singles, we haven't a hope
>     of finding them here again, even at new prices.  Luckily they didn't
>     take any cassettes - they got both US & UK Insides & Sniv, but left
>     both these and Brown on cassette, so we're not totally deprived!
>     I'll get in touch with Tower and see exactly what we can still order,
>     and mail a proper want-list soon.
>
>     Check out http://www.cyberia.ie/~stimpy/homepage.htm
>
>     Depressed & pissed-off,
>     Sandy.



        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital Music Video
Date: 10 Feb 1997 20:47:30 -0800


>What videos have they done besides "The Box"?
>
        Well, I know they have done Halcyon and Are We Here.  As StarPango
pointed out though, I will need to just keep copying the vids from MTV and
be patient for an NTSC format VHS tape with the Orbital music vid works on
it...*sigh*

        \ \ | / /
        (o  o)
-------------------o00o--( )--o00o-----------------------
    ETX,

    Trent See


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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital for Tribal Gathering '97?
Date: 10 Feb 1997 20:53:20 -0800

>Orbital are playing, the decision was made after they found out that
>Kraftwerk are.

                After the bros found out?

>I will most probably be going - I decided that after I saw the line up
>in the hardcore and the techno tents! with Orbital as well, you can't
>go wrong :)

                What is the line up?

        \ \ | / /
        (o  o)
-------------------o00o--( )--o00o-----------------------
    ETX,

    Trent See


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: dictionary help please
Date: 11 Feb 1997 00:39:38 -0500 (EST)

Hi.  Im not "green to the scene, man" but I do get a little confounded by so
so many labels attached to different artists muzik.  I dont know if they come
by way of DJ or by reviewers or just who but they make it fooking hard to buy
music when I dont live in the best clubbing atmosphere, when I dont get the
electronic nutrition I need 'cept for mags and a decent disc shop and AMP,
and a rave everyother month.  Anyway, I was hoping someone kind out there
(probably a Brit) would give me definitions for the following terms:


























                                                                           1)
 hardcore   2) tribal   3) trance (as opposed to techno)   4)handbag (most
important, because where the fuck did it come from?  Does it mean cheesy
house for the masses?)   Anyway, thanks                       Love from Khugo

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 11 Feb 1997 01:03:48 -0500 (EST)

This  is Khugo and I dont know what the hell I did wrong but my words never
made it to my last mail...sorry....Perhaps, if I try again.....    1)
hardcore  2) tribal  3) trance (as opposed to techno) and 4) handbag  (most
important, because where the fuck did it come from?  is it cheesy pop house
for the Ken's and Amy's of the world?)
Anyway , thanks for your time                 Love, Khugo

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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Satan Eps/US Live CD?
Date: 10 Feb 1997 22:12:10 -0800

aPpLesEeD[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> Hi, I'm wondering if there's been any further information about
> the fate of the proposed Live Album? The reason I ask is, I have the
> `Satan Live' EP no.2 & intend to get no.3 soon, but I was going to pass
> on the first EP in favour of the US CD, since it was supposed to be the
> entirety of the New York show, from which tracks on no.1 are taken.
> Should it be scrapped, however, I'll definitely want to get the first EP
> (I couldn't possibly live without a live version of `Out There
> Somewhere'- after all, who could? ;-)

Last I heard the US CD with all those tracks from the New
York show was scrapped.  Steve said that the only tracks
they were thinking about was Satan and Halcyon (I think).
I got all three because I couldn't wait for the US version!

Shaun
--
. .  .   .    .     .      .       .      .     .    .   .  .


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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 10 Feb 1997 23:31:17 -0700

here are my definitions..  please correct me if im way off... which will
probably occur.. (btw, im not british ;)   )

1) hardcore- fast beat.. really really fast! almost industrial like...

2) tribal- jungle-ish? (my definition)  some tribal ooo's and aah's in
there...
            kinda like some Enigma, maybe...

3) trance- ambient chillin' music w/ a slowish beat to it.. i cant dance to
it
        really well... (again my definition..)

4) handbag-  something one male would do alone?  sorry... sick minded
people!!
              ugh!


        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: "neil lawrence" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital for Tribal Gathering '97?
Date: 11 Feb 1997 07:01:17 -0000

Are you sure about Kraftwerk playing the Tribal Gathering? Or was it some
sophisticated joke that I'm too niaive to get?

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Cc: [e-mail]


>Hi. I've been seeing reports that Orbital are confirmed for Tribal
Gathering,
>in May this year. (For those that don't know, Tribal Gathering is a
one-day
>dance festival held near Luton in the UK.)
>
> Can anyone (ie Steve) confirm this?

Orbital are playing, the decision was made after they found out that
Kraftwerk are.
I will most probably be going - I decided that after I saw the line up
in the hardcore and the techno tents! with Orbital as well, you can't
go wrong :)

take it easy
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From: "neil lawrence" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital Music Video
Date: 11 Feb 1997 06:59:10 -0000

I caught a remix of Speed Freak on MTV late one night, which had a pretty
cool vid with it, but I'm not sure if the lads were responsible for it.

Lawrence
(I wish I had loads of pagers)

----------
> From: Reality <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: Orbital Music Video
> Date: 10 February 1997 21:20
>
> What videos have they done besides "The Box"?
>
> On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, tsee wrote:
>
> > Hello all, glad to see everyone is still awake on here.  And ditto what
> > Seamus (James) Swift wrote.
> >
> > My queston: Is there a music video tape of all of Orbital's videos they
have
> > done?  I have been looking and asking for one but have come up dry.
> >
> > Any help is welcome.
> >         \ \ | / /
> >         (o  o)
> > ---------------------o00o--( )--o00o-----------------------
> >     ETX,
> >
> >     Trent See
> >

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: .....Article
Date: 11 Feb 1997 12:02:41 -0500 (EST)

Pick up a copy guys and gals if you can...

On page 1, 78-79 is a story about the "Electronic Revolution" and the
explanation behind why alternative music is becoming electronic and rock is
gone, who is who, who is big, etc...Great article to have :-)

Yes it mentions Orbital, Underworld, Prodigy (boo!), Chemical Bros (eh!), BT,
08, Josh Wink, etc...

jamie

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From: u04ncc <[e-mail]>
Subject: Guinea pig
Date: 11 Feb 1997 19:54:04 +0000 (GMT)




Sorry to bother everyone, this is unashamedly nothing to do with
Orbital but then, if I can weeks of messages about the Spice Girls I don't
think this will be of any lesser value.

Right, I won't go into great detail with the background of the story, but
basically I'm moving into a house soon, with three other people and as
well as the goldfish each we decided on, I was persuaded by my ex to get a
guinea pig (but only because I still fancy her and she promised to come by
at least once every couple of days to feed it and make sure we hadn't
killed it). So, she decided on a name and that evolved into all the house
people choosing a name for it, then a couple of friends, and now the
naming is open to all. So if you want to add a name (absolutely anything
at all) to it mail me (I note MAIL ME ([e-mail]) AND NOT THE
ENTIRE MAILING LIST) with the name, and say if you want an update later
on, on how the names are going.

Thanks for letting me waste your time.

Niall C Christie

The names so far:

> > > Barry (Karen's name)
> > > Soup Duck (my name)
> > > Fwedewich (Martin's name)
> > > Placard Underling (Justin's name)
> > > Cantabile (Joseph's name)
> > > (Jilly's name still to come)
> > > Ferdinand (Lisa's name)
> > > Methuselah or Tarquin or Farqhuar (Murray's name)
> > > Bart (Katherine Puttick's name)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


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From: sean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 11 Feb 1997 16:29:06 -0500 (EST)

typical. the answers for this question and others similar are easy to find
on the web. although the answers you get will vary greatly and probably be
completly wrong. why define music anyway, all you can do is identify
certain elements contained in the music ie, divas in bad jungle, orange
drums in good jungle, atmospheric in much ambient. then you can lable
certain artists with a certain type. Mr. James has transferred types, what
do we do?!
wow i think my post is less orbital than what im replying to ;>~

luvsean


    accept less                expect more
                s......e......a......n




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From: "earthling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: the orb & orbital
Date: 11 Feb 1997 22:11:47 -0500

does anyone know if the orb and orbital 2cd thing is any good? u know the
one that came out last year, it has a turtle on the cover.... hello!!!! is
it any good???? thanx

earthling



((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
(( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))



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From: Andrew Minett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the orb & orbital
Date: 11 Feb 1997 23:59:24 -0500 (EST)

At 10:11 PM 2/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>does anyone know if the orb and orbital 2cd thing is any good? u know the
>one that came out last year, it has a turtle on the cover.... hello!!!! is
>it any good???? thanx
>
>earthling

You must be an earthling, considering your limited knowledge young'un.  That
CD is named Auntie Aubrey's Excursions Beyond the Call of Duty--THE ORB
REMIX PROJECT.  It is ALL the Orb, zero Orbital.  Truthfully it could have
used their genius on a couple of the songs, but nonetheless it is a stellar
purchase if you like ambient with a soothing beat to it.

I'm still making mistakes of this nature all the time, so take it easy.

Andrew, who must say that Orbital's older stuff isn't that great so quit
talking about it all the time.  Instead I think a broader view of the music
world related to them (but still Orbital focussed of course) would be an
infinitely better way of communicating.

P.S.  Is Satan out in N.A. on CD??  See I told you I'm an idiot.
>
>((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
>(( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))
>
>
>


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From: Greg Liu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the orb & orbital
Date: 11 Feb 1997 21:08:10 -0800 (PST)

I think you are talking about Auntie Aubrey's Excursions Beyond the Call
of Duty by ORB.  Some of the tracks are called Orbital Mix, but they have
nothing to do with the ORBITAL we know and love (unfortunately).  It is
basically a collection of a lot of ORB's older remixes; there are a few
amazing tracks personally and if you are a big ORB fan, then you may like
it, otherwise, I don't recommend spending the import price I paid for it.

Greg

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, earthling wrote:

> does anyone know if the orb and orbital 2cd thing is any good? u know the
> one that came out last year, it has a turtle on the cover.... hello!!!! is
> it any good???? thanx
>
> earthling
>
>
>
> ((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
> (( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))
>
>
>


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From: "Sigbjorn Revheim" <[e-mail]>
Subject: "Forever" samples
Date: 12 Feb 1997 03:35:05 -0800 (PST)

A while ago a saw a movie called "Britannia Hospital". When the
movie was almost finished I suddenly recognized the sample
"Condemned forever" from the the Forever track.
I don't know if anyone else knew that Orbital had taken a sample from
this movie, but I was really surprised when I saw the movie.


Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Saint single
Date: 12 Feb 1997 15:22:46 +0000

Apparently the NME claims that Orbital's new single is The Saint theme tune,
and is out on April 7th. Don't know how reliable this info is.

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: _ <[e-mail]>
Subject: Yanks unite...
Date: 12 Feb 1997 12:00:15 -0500

(this is sort of orbital related, so bear with me for a moment)...

after picking up the newest spin (methinks the magazine is shit, but u2 was
on the cover...sorry) i noticed an article saying something to the effect
that, in america, record companies are looking to "electronic" music as the
next big thing...now, this is not the first place i've heard this...it
bothers me abit...now, in other countries, i understand that "electronic"
music is common on the charts, and things of that sort...so, i guess this
post really concerns those of us in the U.S. (my apologies if that sounded
snob-ish)...but,i now am fearing the day when i go to see orbital and there
are fraternity guys and their sorority girlfriends there to see them play
the box, because they saw the video mtv or going to see The Prodigy and
there are hordes of little kids screaming "PLAY FUCKIN' FIRESTARTER"...i am
not saying that only i deserve to hear this kind of music nor am i saying
that i am on the 'cutting edge' because i've these bands before most of the
U.S, mainstream...but dammit if it gets any more popular in the U.S., it
just may ruin it (for example, Nirvana gets popular and then every band
starts wanting to sound like them with that 'Seattle Sound')...i don't think
anybody needs cheap ripoffs of tricky or prodigy or orbital or any others
who make enjoyable music (of any type)...

any thoughts on the subject are welcome...

-jeff


************************************************************
* "...so, i've decided to take my work back undergound...  *
*  to stop it falling into the wrong hands..."             *
*                                -'Intro', The Prodigy     *
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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital Music Video
Date: 12 Feb 1997 12:20:53 -0500 (EST)

On Sun, 9 Feb 1997, Chris Herz wrote:

>
> i just have the vids tape from AMP...  Halcyon (didn't get the very
> beginning), The Box, and Are We Here....
>
> if you find anything else, leme know...   if you put the info up on here,
> people might get a wee bit pissy...  ;^)  (just kidding!!)

    I've got the Halcyon live video (w/ samples, etc.). I'd be willing
to trade a copy of it for a copy of those.. Whaddaya say?

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the orb & orbital
Date: 12 Feb 1997 12:47:39 -0500 (EST)

Actually, I don't believe Aunt Aubrey's Excursions... (can't remember the
rest) has nothing to do with Orbital. It's a Orb remix album... It's good
but not Orbital.

Hans Lo (95001206)                    email:([e-mail])
[phone]                Joint Honours PoliSci/History
                    University of Waterloo.
    "Who I am is all I have left."
            -Det. Pembleton


On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, earthling wrote:

> does anyone know if the orb and orbital 2cd thing is any good? u know the
> one that came out last year, it has a turtle on the cover.... hello!!!! is
> it any good???? thanx
>
> earthling
>
>
>
> ((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
> (( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))
>
>
>


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From: Kendall Jackman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Yanks unite... -Reply
Date: 12 Feb 1997 11:47:33 -0700

>>> _ <[e-mail]> 02/12/97 10:00am >>>
i noticed an article saying something to the effect
that, in america, record companies are looking to "electronic" music as the
next big thing...now, this is not the first place i've heard this...it
bothers me abit...

but dammit if it gets any more popular in the U.S., it
just may ruin it (for example, Nirvana gets popular and then every band
starts wanting to sound like them with that 'Seattle Sound')...i don't think
anybody needs cheap ripoffs of tricky or prodigy or orbital or any others
who make enjoyable music (of any type)...
<<<<<<<<<
Personally, the possibility of electronic music hitting it big in America excites me.  I've been interested in it for
many years, since the early years of Jean-Michel Jarre and Tangerine Dream (late 70's, even!).  It really
torqued me off me when the big "unplugged" fad hit a few years ago.  It was like synthesizers and samplers
weren't even recognized as legitimate instruments!  Like using them was somehow cheap and dirty and
something to be embarrassed about.  Well, I'm glad to see attitudes changing around here.  Now maybe
electronic music (of all kinds) can get some of the respect it deserves!

My two cents' worthm, anyway...

Kendall Jackman

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From: Mark S-D <[e-mail]>
Subject: Yanks unite...?
Date: 12 Feb 1997 20:54:44 +0000

In message <[e-mail]>, _ <[e-mail]>
writes
>i noticed an article saying something to the effect
>that, in america, record companies are looking to "electronic" music as the
>next big thing...now, this is not the first place i've heard this...it
>bothers me abit...now, in other countries, i understand that "electronic"
>music is common on the charts, and things of that sort...so, i guess this
>post really concerns those of us in the U.S. (my apologies if that sounded
>snob-ish)
I'm in the UK so it's a little different. I think you're going to have
to accept the fact that there are people who are going to read different
things into the scene, make crap records, cash in, all that crap. Just
try and help people see there's more to life, more choices, that's all
you can do. If people are into Orbital just to be cool they won't stick
around for long anyway, there will be something else for them in a few
months. Artists like Tricky and Prodigy are getting more hype at the
moment, the music press have had the opportunity to latch onto other
things than the music and so IMO they get misunderstood more. Music is
an evolving artform, especially the electronic stuff going by what's
happened in the last few years, the music industry trys to find ideas
which sell & this depends on people coming up with new ideas anyway, it
might be corrupt, it definatley leads to some shallow music but it's not
all destructive... I can tell you love your music and you want to be
with people who feel the same but surely some of the people who are
getting into it will be that way even if they havn't followed it for
years, they're not all going to be arseholes, don't shut them out or you
might end up becoming a snob, living in the past & having no fun at all.
--
|  \/  |  ____|     \      Mark S-D
|      |____  |  ;)  )     [e-mail]
|  \/  |      |     /      [e-mail]

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From: Jon Romley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Saint single
Date: 12 Feb 1997 13:04:46 -0800

>Apparently the NME claims that Orbital's new single is The Saint theme tune,
>and is out on April 7th. Don't know how reliable this info is.
>
>Jon
>
>
>Jon Green: [e-mail]
>"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
> target was there pretty as a picture.
> I made the run, let the bomb go,
>that was my biggest thrill"
>

That's the truth. I have been told it sounds a bit like the box. I should
be able to get MY hands on it in a week or so (it's just great having
friends at radio stations).

Yes, I can confirm, Orbital did the theme for "The Saint" it will be their
next single. I will put samples up on our website when I obtain a copy.

Later
-Jon

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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Funny crud
Date: 12 Feb 1997 15:54:49 -0600

Hey....there's some WEIRD stuff going on with this mailing list.  None of
my mail I've sent is showing up.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...?
Date: 12 Feb 1997 17:59:35 -0500 (EST)

Actually, if you wanna know what's getting hyped here in the US, besides
the obvious Chem. Brothers & Prodigy, it's Spring Heel Jack. They had FULL
page articles on them in this month's Spin, Raygun, Rolling Stone, CMJ,
and I think maybe Alternative Press as well. That may not be exactly
right, but I have read 4 full page stories about them in the last month.

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 12 Feb 1997 15:50:28 -0600

>1) hardcore   2) tribal   3) trance (as opposed to techno)   4)handbag
(most
> important, because where the fuck did it come from?  Does it mean cheesy
> house for the masses?)   Anyway, thanks                       Love from
Khugo

Those sound like record store categories to me.  I'm not a Brit, and I too
live in a techno-less enviroment (Kansas) but I wrestled with the same
terms you are and this is what I've found out:

1)hardcore: could mean ANYTHING from Kraftwerk to Nine Inch Nails to
Industrial.  This term is meaningless.  ignore it.

2) Tribal: Supposedly jungle music or other high BPM (beats per minute)
music.  I'm guessing that the titles you're seeing are shit like that
Italian CD or the one with the cat on the record player with the clever
title like "Beat that Pussy" or something like that.  These CD's are
worthless and their only raison d'etre is to keep the electronic music fan
from finding good music.  Tribal is not a legitimate music category as far
as I'm concerned.

3)Trance:  a legitimate term.  Mostly dance music...covers a wide spectrum
music.  Trance is essentially all techno music that isn't Jungle, Ambient,
Drum and Bass...or at least that's my definition.  GOA Trance is a more
manic kind of trance which almost always has a Roland TB-303 buzzing
away....the 303 gives techno that "acid" sound.

4)handbag: have no idea what that means.  Sounds to me like a record
store's name for "Miscellaneous".

Here's what I recommend.......stick to buying non-compilation CDs unless
you've heard about a totally killer one such as "Wipeout XL"......(buy it
right now if you haven't).

Test the waters with some of the following bands...Autechre's "Amber",
Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works 2", Underworld's "Second Toughest of
the Infants", Freaky Chakra Vs. Single Cell Orchestra (don't know the
name...has two robots fighting on cover), Chemical Brother's "Exit Planet
Dust", and last but certainly not least, LTJ Bukem's "Logical
Progressions".  First and best bet is to buy that Wipeout XL Soundtrack
(not the game itself) and see what groups you like on that album.



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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whateve
Date: 12 Feb 1997 19:30:17 -0500 (EST)

>
> >1) hardcore   2) tribal   3) trance (as opposed to techno)   4)handbag
> (most
> > important, because where the fuck did it come from?  Does it mean cheesy
> > house for the masses?)   Anyway, thanks                       Love from
> Khugo
>
> Those sound like record store categories to me.  I'm not a Brit, and I too
> live in a techno-less enviroment (Kansas) but I wrestled with the same
> terms you are and this is what I've found out:
>
> 1)hardcore: could mean ANYTHING from Kraftwerk to Nine Inch Nails to
> Industrial.  This term is meaningless.  ignore it.
>
> 2) Tribal: Supposedly jungle music or other high BPM (beats per minute)
> music.  I'm guessing that the titles you're seeing are shit like that
> Italian CD or the one with the cat on the record player with the clever
> title like "Beat that Pussy" or something like that.  These CD's are
> worthless and their only raison d'etre is to keep the electronic music fan
> from finding good music.  Tribal is not a legitimate music category as far
> as I'm concerned.
>
> 3)Trance:  a legitimate term.  Mostly dance music...covers a wide spectrum
> music.  Trance is essentially all techno music that isn't Jungle, Ambient,
> Drum and Bass...or at least that's my definition.  GOA Trance is a more
> manic kind of trance which almost always has a Roland TB-303 buzzing
> away....the 303 gives techno that "acid" sound.
>
> 4)handbag: have no idea what that means.  Sounds to me like a record
> store's name for "Miscellaneous".
>
> Here's what I recommend.......stick to buying non-compilation CDs unless
> you've heard about a totally killer one such as "Wipeout XL"......(buy it
> right now if you haven't).
>
> Test the waters with some of the following bands...Autechre's "Amber",
> Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works 2", Underworld's "Second Toughest of
> the Infants", Freaky Chakra Vs. Single Cell Orchestra (don't know the
> name...has two robots fighting on cover), Chemical Brother's "Exit Planet
> Dust", and last but certainly not least, LTJ Bukem's "Logical
> Progressions".  First and best bet is to buy that Wipeout XL Soundtrack
> (not the game itself) and see what groups you like on that album.
>
>
>
Dude,Anthony. I'm glad you know your shit. I'd like to chat with you about
what to get and all cuz it seems like we've got the same taste. Write me and
let me know what you think of Photek on the Wipeout XL. I'm actually a
European living in New York,and believe it or not,I haven't met people with
the knowledge of these types of music yet even here. So it would be cool if
you or the likes of you & I could discuss over cool stuff that came out or
will come out. tAkE CaRe.

           -Fulya

[e-mail]

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From: Duncan Price <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite... -Reply
Date: 12 Feb 1997 19:37:25 -0500

Let's keep in mind that in the U.S., respect means shit in the music
industry.   Record executives don't care about giving respect to certain
genres of music.   They see an opportunity to make some bucks and will
market ANYTHING to it's absolute maximum earning potential (that means until
most people are sick of it!)  Too often the record companies and MTV are the
initiators of the next musical wave.   They see a trend going on in another
country (hello UK Techno)and make plans for that to be the next big thing in
the U.S.  They usually wait for the current trend to start waning and then
all the sudden you hear about how electronic music is growing in popularity
and Newsweek writes about Raves and MTV has AMP and Blockbuster creates a
new section.....

Soooo....I don't really see it as attitudes changing.....more like a shift
in marketing priorities!

Duncan
Chapel Hill,  NC

"Capitalism is NOT democracy" - Consolidated


At 11:47 AM 2/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>>> _ <[e-mail]> 02/12/97 10:00am >>>
>i noticed an article saying something to the effect
>that, in america, record companies are looking to "electronic" music as the
>next big thing...now, this is not the first place i've heard this...it
>bothers me abit...
>
>but dammit if it gets any more popular in the U.S., it
>just may ruin it (for example, Nirvana gets popular and then every band
>starts wanting to sound like them with that 'Seattle Sound')...i don't think
>anybody needs cheap ripoffs of tricky or prodigy or orbital or any others
>who make enjoyable music (of any type)...
><<<<<<<<<
>Personally, the possibility of electronic music hitting it big in America
excites me.  I've been interested in it for
>many years, since the early years of Jean-Michel Jarre and Tangerine Dream
(late 70's, even!).  It really
>torqued me off me when the big "unplugged" fad hit a few years ago.  It was
like synthesizers and samplers
>weren't even recognized as legitimate instruments!  Like using them was
somehow cheap and dirty and
>something to be embarrassed about.  Well, I'm glad to see attitudes
changing around here.  Now maybe
>electronic music (of all kinds) can get some of the respect it deserves!
>
>My two cents' worthm, anyway...
>
>Kendall Jackman
>


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From: "Ravis1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Funny crud
Date: 12 Feb 1997 19:40:48 -0600

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> From: Anthony Agee <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Funny crud
> Date: Wednesday, February 12, 1997 3:54 PM
>
> Hey....there's some WEIRD stuff going on with this mailing list.  None of
> my mail I've sent is showing up.
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From: sean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 12 Feb 1997 20:56:06 -0500 (EST)

chemical brothers?, the boo-yah tribe of techno, yuck.
autechre 'amber' this is beautiful. obtain this , it will please you more
than the chembros, boo-yah!!

    accept less                expect more
                s......e......a......n


On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Anthony Agee wrote:

> >1) hardcore   2) tribal   3) trance (as opposed to techno)   4)handbag
> (most
> > important, because where the fuck did it come from?  Does it mean cheesy
> > house for the masses?)   Anyway, thanks                       Love from
> Khugo
>
> Those sound like record store categories to me.  I'm not a Brit, and I too
> live in a techno-less enviroment (Kansas) but I wrestled with the same
> terms you are and this is what I've found out:
>
> 1)hardcore: could mean ANYTHING from Kraftwerk to Nine Inch Nails to
> Industrial.  This term is meaningless.  ignore it.
>
> 2) Tribal: Supposedly jungle music or other high BPM (beats per minute)
> music.  I'm guessing that the titles you're seeing are shit like that
> Italian CD or the one with the cat on the record player with the clever
> title like "Beat that Pussy" or something like that.  These CD's are
> worthless and their only raison d'etre is to keep the electronic music fan
> from finding good music.  Tribal is not a legitimate music category as far
> as I'm concerned.
>
> 3)Trance:  a legitimate term.  Mostly dance music...covers a wide spectrum
> music.  Trance is essentially all techno music that isn't Jungle, Ambient,
> Drum and Bass...or at least that's my definition.  GOA Trance is a more
> manic kind of trance which almost always has a Roland TB-303 buzzing
> away....the 303 gives techno that "acid" sound.
>
> 4)handbag: have no idea what that means.  Sounds to me like a record
> store's name for "Miscellaneous".
>
> Here's what I recommend.......stick to buying non-compilation CDs unless
> you've heard about a totally killer one such as "Wipeout XL"......(buy it
> right now if you haven't).
>
> Test the waters with some of the following bands...Autechre's "Amber",
> Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works 2", Underworld's "Second Toughest of
> the Infants", Freaky Chakra Vs. Single Cell Orchestra (don't know the
> name...has two robots fighting on cover), Chemical Brother's "Exit Planet
> Dust", and last but certainly not least, LTJ Bukem's "Logical
> Progressions".  First and best bet is to buy that Wipeout XL Soundtrack
> (not the game itself) and see what groups you like on that album.
>
>


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From: "Ravis1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 12 Feb 1997 19:55:29 -0600

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> From: Anthony Agee <[e-mail]>

>
> >1) hardcore   2) tribal   3) trance (as opposed to techno)   4)handbag
> (most

> 1)hardcore: could mean ANYTHING from Kraftwerk to Nine Inch Nails to
> Industrial.  This term is meaningless.  ignore it.

Hardcore Techno: Actually its killer shit from the early 90's.  Lots off
wack samples with beats made for the E.  Check out Rising High's Techno
Injection.  Satan is like a mild Hardcore Techno release.  LA Hardcore was
a late approach in '94 at trying to follow the style (I still like it
though).

> 2) Tribal: Supposedly jungle music or other high BPM (beats per minute)
> music.

If you heard DJ Mowgly's video on AMP, doesn't the beginning sound
"Tribal"?

> 3)Trance:  a legitimate term.  Mostly dance music...covers a wide
spectrum
> music.  Trance is essentially all techno music that isn't Jungle,
Ambient,
> Drum and Bass...or at least that's my definition.  GOA Trance is a more
> manic kind of trance which almost always has a Roland TB-303 buzzing
> away....the 303 gives techno that "acid" sound.

It can really kill your mood with it's redundancy.  Try Rising High's
Trance Injection (listen to it first).

> Here's what I recommend.......stick to buying non-compilation CDs unless
> you've heard about a totally killer one such as "Wipeout XL"......(buy it
> right now if you haven't).

Wrong, compilations = new music from groups without enough tracks for a
whole disk.  Early Trance Europe Express's had everybody on them that's
catching now.

> Test the waters with some of the following bands...

Anthony, unfortunately, has little roots in this stuff.  If you want to
know what Techno is, you have to dig deep.  Don't read the articles, listen
to the music.  Anthony types will have a hard time differentiating newer
players with roots and newer players jumping on the band wagon.

It's called criticism and not a dis'.
Don't get offended, get informed.

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ANYTHING from Kraftwerk to Nine Inch Nails to<br>> Industrial. =
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Actually its killer shit from the early 90's.  Lots off wack =
samples with beats made for the E.  Check out Rising High's Techno =
Injection.  Satan is like a mild Hardcore Techno release.  LA =
Hardcore was a late approach in '94 at trying to follow the style (I =
still like it though).<br><br>> 2) Tribal: Supposedly jungle music or =
other high BPM (beats per minute)<br>> music. <br><br>If you heard DJ =
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"Tribal"?<br><br>> 3)Trance:  a legitimate term. =
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Ambient,<br>> Drum and Bass...or at least that's my definition. =
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always has a Roland TB-303 buzzing<br>> away....the 303 gives techno =
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one such as "Wipeout XL"......(buy it<br>> right now if you =
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roots in this stuff.  If you want to know what Techno is, you have =
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From: Ernesto Perez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...
Date: 12 Feb 1997 21:07:23 -0600

okay....i share the same fear simply because i have already started to
see this type of behavior. i used to have a residency at a club out in
the suburbs and when i first started working there i was a bit surprised
that i was getting requests for stuff like underworld's "cowgirl" and
leftfield's "open up". the sad truth was that if i played any other song
by these bands the dancefloor would clear and i was stuck looking like
some sort of idiot who didn't know what "good music was". let's face it,
most of use would rather hear something like "song of life" or even the
instrumental to "open up" than to hear the same leftfield track every
weekend evening for OVER A YEAR! but that is the mentality here in
mainstream americaÖ. for the last 6 months i have been playing "born
slippy" and not a sould would dance to it. the local "alternative"
station q101 starts playing the only the first half and now every aswipe
with a tommy hilfiger jacket and an eddie bauer flannel is asking for
underworld oblivious to the fact that i am already playing "rez" or
"dogman go woof".
the last time i saw orbital live was when they were touring after the
orbital 2 album here in chicago along with moby, dubtribe and
vapourspace. every jerkoff who thought he was a "raver" just because he
had a fresh jive t-shirt on was going nuts for moby and basically left
when orbital got on stage. fact is that by this time moby was doing his
usual "watch me bash the same keyboard i was bashing two years ago"
routine and acting like a complete wannabe while orbital came out and
played a quality set...to the point that they blew the fuses at the
cabaret metro!
so the only fear that we should have here is that orbital will have to
compromise their integrity fo rthe sake of satisfying an album label or
gaining that extra buck. let's face it: how likely is THAT?

dj ernie

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Date: 12 Feb 1997 23:38:26 -0800

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"ORBITAL's new single will be a version of the theme tune from
forthcoming film The Saint. The track, which is due out on April 7, was
recorded as the theme for the film which stars Val Kilmer and is based
on the Leslie Charteris-created character and Roger Moore '60s TV
series. Phil Hartnoll said: "The film-makers originally recorded it with
a 50-piece orchestra, but they didn't like it, so they asked us to do
it. We had a great time doing it 'cos we're still old enough to remember
the original series. "In fact, we're great fans of that sort of music
and we really liked the original theme. So our version is still quite
'60s sounding."

The film, which is released here on April 28 and next month in the US,
has been directed by Phillip Noyce, the man responsible for Dead Calm
and Patriot Games. Other bands to feature songs on the soundtrack
include The Chemical Brothers, Sneaker Pimps and Duran Duran, who have
recorded the title track. Apart from doing the obligatory remixes of
their forthcoming single, Orbital are also working on their new album,
the follow-up to last year's gold-selling 'In Sides'. They are also
expected to announce a series of live UK dates shortly."

BTW, for those interested in seeing The Saint here in the US, take note:
the film's release has been pushed back from March 14th to April 7th.
Why? The MONSTER returns from the Star Wars Special Edition. The Return
of the Jedi Special Edition is set to open on March 7th and Paramount is
scouring for cover.  Universal found out last weekend what happens when
you underestimate the power of the Force :)

Also, in a somewhat related note (getting more off topic by the minute)
there will be a music video featuring newly inserted music footage from
Jabba's Palace in The Return of the Jedi Special Edition which will
begin regular rotation (hopefully) on MTV after it's premiere Feb. 16 at
10:30pm on MTV's Star Wars TV special.

red 5 standing by...
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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Forever" samples
Date: 13 Feb 1997 00:02:27 -0800

>A while ago a saw a movie called "Britannia Hospital". When the
>movie was almost finished I suddenly recognized the sample
>"Condemned forever" from the the Forever track.
>I don't know if anyone else knew that Orbital had taken a sample from
>this movie, but I was really surprised when I saw the movie.

        OH GREAT!!! More findings of movies that Orbital has used samples
from.  I really love these findings...it is rather fun.  I know that (or at
least for those of you who have been on the list as long as I have) remember
what a fuss I made about the "What's wrong?" voice on the last track of the
first cd of the 2cd set of In Sides...(from THX 1138).

        Great, thanks for the information *jupping for joy, doing a back flip*

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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...
Date: 13 Feb 1997 00:09:59 -0800

>(this is sort of orbital related, so bear with me for a moment)...
>
        not this one :-)
>after picking up the newest spin (methinks the magazine is shit, but u2 was
>on the cover...sorry)

        U2 is coming to San Diego this April 28!  tickets go on sale here on
Saturday!  Yeah!!! (sorry, definitely not Orbital related)  Flame me, I dare
ya ;-)!!!

>i noticed an article saying something to the effect
>that, in america, record companies are looking to "electronic" music as the
>next big thing...now, this is not the first place i've heard this...it
>bothers me abit...now, in other countries, i understand that "electronic"
>music is common on the charts, and things of that sort...so, i guess this
>post really concerns those of us in the U.S. (my apologies if that sounded
>snob-ish)...but,i now am fearing the day when i go to see orbital and there
>are fraternity guys and their sorority girlfriends there to see them play
>the box, because they saw the video mtv or going to see The Prodigy and
>there are hordes of little kids screaming "PLAY FUCKIN' FIRESTARTER"...i am

        Well, that will be good, because they will be buying all the "more
pop" techno stuff while we focus on those hard to intelligent techno bands
like Orbital.  To tell the truth, I don't mind the popularity that
electronic music is getting, I have been listening to it since the day I was
born (back when Tomita and Walter/Wendy Carlos was popular).

        The only thing is, I don't want a bunch of bands to come out and say
they are techno/ambient/jungle/house/etc. and try and create a new name for
the style (aka bands like ATR--please don't go into that again).

        You did ask for any comments....so there is mine....less filling,
tastes great :-)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: DIGEST/Tribal/Loopz News
Date: 13 Feb 1997 9:33:41 GMT

All, and you as well.

To the digest replies...

[Tribal]
> Can anyone (ie Steve) confirm this?
Toddy wrote:-
>Orbital are playing, the decision was made after they found out that
>Kraftwerk are.

Spoke to Phil yesterday about Tribal Gathering. They were due to do a
festival and they were going to Tribal to see Kraftwerk anyway. Tribal
then confronted them and asked if they wish to perform which they agreed.
But it will be no new stuff....just the In Sides set.

>Is there a music video tape of all of Orbital's videos they have
>done?

No...not at all.

>So if you want to add a name (absolutely anything
>at all) to it mail me (I note MAIL ME ([e-mail]) AND NOT THE
>ENTIRE MAILING LIST) with the name, and say if you want an update later
>on, on how the names are going.

Call the funny farm!

>Apparently the NME claims that Orbital's new single is The Saint theme
>tune, and is out on April 7th. Don't know how reliable this info is.

Yep...tis true...ive got the full info on the single which is the theme
tune "Saint" to the new film with Val Kilmer (but we knew that didnt we :)
). The rest of the information (other tracks, formats, other news) will be
in the news section on the new Loopz Page (by tomorrow).
Address is   http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/

Remember cut and paste.

Also for those who are confirming things by reading papers....
NME mentioned a Uk tour soon .... its a load of bollox ... its not gonna
happen. Dont believe the hype! :)

Anyway...back to that News section....Mick!!!!! you out there!

Cheers

Steve
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Loopz News/Digest Replies
Date: 13 Feb 1997 12:03:01 GMT

All, and you as well.
This is my second attempt at sending this....

To the digest replies...

[Tribal]
> Can anyone (ie Steve) confirm this?
Toddy wrote:-
>Orbital are playing, the decision was made after they found out that
>Kraftwerk are.

Spoke to Phil yesterday about Tribal Gathering. They were due to do a
festival and they were going to Tribal to see Kraftwerk anyway. Tribal
then confronted them and asked if they wish to perform which they agreed.
But it will be no new stuff....just the In Sides set.

>Is there a music video tape of all of Orbital's videos they have
>done?

No...not at all.

>So if you want to add a name (absolutely anything
>at all) to it mail me (I note MAIL ME ([e-mail]) AND NOT THE
>ENTIRE MAILING LIST) with the name, and say if you want an update later
>on, on how the names are going.

Call the funny farm!

>Apparently the NME claims that Orbital's new single is The Saint theme
>tune, and is out on April 7th. Don't know how reliable this info is.

Yep...tis true...ive got the full info on the single which is the theme
tune "Saint" to the new film with Val Kilmer (but we knew that didnt we :)
). The rest of the information (other tracks, formats, other news) will be
in the news section on the new Loopz Page (by tomorrow).
Address is   http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/

Remember cut and paste.

Also for those who are confirming things by reading papers....
NME mentioned a Uk tour soon .... its a load of bollox ... its not gonna
happen. Dont believe the hype! :)

Anyway...back to that News section....Mick!!!!! you out there!

Cheers

Steve
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From: "R.Hardacre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Forever" samples
Date: 13 Feb 1997 12:21:46 +0000 (GMT)

samples samples samples!
there's all the (obvious) samples

"even a stopped clock gives the right time twice
a day" is paul magann in the film Witnail and I

"there is the theory a the mobius, a rift in space
, where time becomes a loop"
is Lt. worf on the star trek T.N.G episode
"time squared" (a pretty groovy one at that)

of course these have probably been spotted in
the past but i have'nt been here long.

as far as commercialism goes, life is tough.
imagine my surprise when watching trainspotting
at the cinema when they played TWO underworld
tracks
i said to my girlfrien "wow! it's f**king
underworld"
the first time and
"wow! it's f**king underworld again!!!"
both times she said
"who are underworld?"

of course, six months later down the local
cheese club Born slippy comes booming over the PA
and me and my mates are left dancing alone as the
floor cleare,
two weeks later the Dj dropped the same tune
and the floor just overflowed with people
screaming LAGER LAGER LAGER

the moral of the story being, bugger it!

RiC!




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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 13 Feb 1997 13:15:46 +0000

Someone wrote:

>Hardcore Techno: Actually its killer shit from the early 90's.  Lots off
>wack samples with beats made for the E.  Check out Rising High's Techno
>Injection.  Satan is like a mild Hardcore Techno release.  LA Hardcore was
>a late approach in '94 at trying to follow the style (I still like it
>though).
Hardcore's still around, but it's cheesy 180 bpm+ four-beat crap that my
brother's into
DJs like Force & Styles, Slipmatt and Dougal seem to be the leading lights
(or those to blame). It seems to be crossing over into the mainstream a bit
here in the UK. Decent dance mags like Muzik are saying it's OK to like
hardcore, which is a bit pathetic as they were slagging it off not 6 months
ago. Typical.

>> 2) Tribal: Supposedly jungle music or other high BPM (beats per minute)
>> music.
>
>If you heard DJ Mowgly's video on AMP, doesn't the beginning sound
>"Tribal"?

Tribal isn't so much a style of music, more a description within a style, eg
tribal house, tribal techno, tribal this, tribal that. It seems to mean
'with bongos'.

>> 3)Trance:  a legitimate term.  Mostly dance music...covers a wide
>>spectrum
>> music.  Trance is essentially all techno music that isn't Jungle,
>>Ambient,
>> Drum and Bass...or at least that's my definition.  GOA Trance is a more
>> manic kind of trance which almost always has a Roland TB-303 buzzing
>> away....the 303 gives techno that "acid" sound.
>
>It can really kill your mood with it's redundancy.  Try Rising High's
>Trance Injection (listen to it first).

I just think of trance as being any music that's repetitive and a bit dreamy
(NOT Robert Miles though!!)

At the end of the day, what's good is good, trying to categorise stuff can
lead to problems, like trip hop used to be stuff like 'Chemical Beats' as
well as MoWax releases like DJ Shadow's 'In Flux', but listen to Mowax stuff
now, and then 'Setting Sun'.... Are they both Trip hop? If not when did they
stop being trip hop? What was trip hop in the first place? Were Portishead
trip hop too? Is 'Firestarter' trip hop, brit hop, grit hop, techno, jungle
or what? Too many categories just confuse matters, but on the other hand we
need to be able to tell people what we like. Does anybody out there know
what 'techno' means these days?
I'll just crawl back into my box now

Jon


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 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
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From: "R.Hardacre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 13 Feb 1997 15:53:08 +0000 (GMT)

as far as i know "techno" means anything involving
technology, basically if you have to plug it in
then whatever comes out is techno. orbital
unplugged?
i'd be cool if they COULD pull it off, doncha
think?

RiC!




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Digest stuff.
Date: 13 Feb 1997 16:00:25 GMT

All and All,

>>I happen to like the Chemical Brothers as well as punk and ska music. I
>>think that we shouldnt go around critizing other bands no matter how
>>much we dislike their music. We should admire them for the talent(s)
>>they do have.

but Chemical Brothers have no talents...so lets slag them off ;)

As regard to the music examples:-
>1) hardcore   2) tribal   3) trance (as opposed to techno)   4)handbag

Its a bit hard to describe groups/artists to these cats. as these names
mean something different this side of the ocean to the other. Dont think
anyone is wrong...i looked up trance in the dictionary and it never
mentioned anyone ;)

Cheers

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 13 Feb 1997 15:57:38 GMT


>> 1)hardcore: could mean ANYTHING from Kraftwerk to Nine Inch Nails to
>> Industrial.  This term is meaningless.  ignore it.
>
>Hardcore Techno: Actually its killer shit from the early 90's.  Lots off
>wack samples with beats made for the E.  Check out Rising High's Techno
>Injection.  Satan is like a mild Hardcore Techno release.  LA Hardcore =
was
>a late approach in '94 at trying to follow the style (I still like it
>though).

errr...no.
Hardcore is one of the main streams of electronic music, nowadays it
consists of:
Breakbeat (or whatever you want to call jungle nowadays)
Happy Hardcore - around 180bpm=20
Gabba - about 200bpm upwards
Bouncy Techno - filling the gap between happy and gabba

Orbital is nothing at all to do with hardcore.

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From: "Seamus (James) Swift" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
Date: 13 Feb 1997 16:55:09 -0000

: as far as commercialism goes, life is tough.
: imagine my surprise when watching trainspotting
: at the cinema when they played TWO underworld
: tracks
: i said to my girlfrien "wow! it's f**king
: underworld"
: the first time and
: "wow! it's f**king underworld again!!!"
: both times she said
: "who are underworld?"
:
: of course, six months later down the local
: cheese club Born slippy comes booming over the PA
: and me and my mates are left dancing alone as the
: floor cleare,
: two weeks later the Dj dropped the same tune
: and the floor just overflowed with people
: screaming LAGER LAGER LAGER
:
: the moral of the story being, bugger it!


I know how you feel, I'll go MAD if they commercialise Orbital style music
etc.

What can we do to stop their evil plot ???????

By the way !

Any of you who think you are budding Orbital music type people (no offence)
check out a program called Rebirth 338 at http://www.propellerheads.se

Its sooooooooooooooo good !

If you do download you won't have a life anymore.

I know I don't, well I didn't have one anyway.



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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 13 Feb 1997 10:58:43 -0600


>Wrong, compilations = new music from groups without enough tracks for a
>whole disk.  Early Trance Europe Express's had everybody on them that's
>catching now.

>Anthony, unfortunately, has little roots in this stuff.  If you want to
>know what Techno is, you have to dig deep.  Don't read the articles,
listen
>to the music.  Anthony types will have a hard time differentiating newer
>players with roots and newer players jumping on the band wagon.

>It's called criticism and not a dis'.
>Don't get offended, get informed.


Well frankly, I'm a bit offended.  While it's true that I've only been
listening to electronic music for about 3 1/2 years now, I've been
listening to it's cousin, hip-hop, since 1985....well before most people
did.  Some references to "old school techno"  might go over my head, but
then again, many don't.  So let me fire a (fair) shot in defense of my
original post.

1) I have TEX 1 and love it. Bought it right after it became available.

2)Don't have any roots?  What does that mean?  I didn't follow the awful
detroit techno scene? (not including R. Hawtins)

3) I can't differentiate between new players and older ones?  How in God's
name do you know this?  "Digging deep" into older techno reveals a music
field less populated with musical genius (take away the Hartnolls, and all
other post-1988 births) and more sound-alike, redundant, trancy stuff.
Sure there was some good stuff though.

4) I know exactly what the person was feeling who first asked us what these
definitions are.  For people who live in areas where this kind of music
isn't popular, the only electronic music we see on the shelves is
compilation crap...and even if there are some Orbital CD's hiding over on
aisle 3, they wouldn't know to look for it.  The problem: too many shitty
compilation CDs (and I don't give a crap if the bands don't have enough
material...shit is shit) which dilute the overall quality of all the cd's
there and make quality purchases nearly impossible.  I must have previewed
10 compilation CDs at music stores before I finally found Cabaret Voltaire
(first electronica purchase) from there it was easy.  This list has helped
me find good music as well.

5)"Don't read the articles, listen to the music"   Umm, beg your pardon but
how does one get exposure to new music?  Not everybody watches AMP.

Sorry...I realize that I'm being a jerk.  I admit I don't hold pre-1988
techno in high regards.  I just don't like people telling me that I don't
know music.


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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...
Date: 13 Feb 1997 11:01:42 -0600

> the last time i saw orbital live was when they were touring after the
> orbital 2 album here in chicago along with moby, dubtribe and
> vapourspace. every jerkoff who thought he was a "raver" just because he
> had a fresh jive t-shirt on was going nuts for moby and basically left
> when orbital got on stage. fact is that by this time moby was doing his
> usual "watch me bash the same keyboard i was bashing two years ago"
> routine and acting like a complete wannabe while orbital came out and
> played a quality set...to the point that they blew the fuses at the
> cabaret metro!
> so the only fear that we should have here is that orbital will have to
> compromise their integrity fo rthe sake of satisfying an album label or
> gaining that extra buck. let's face it: how likely is THAT?
>
> dj ernie

HEAR, HEAR ! ! !

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From: "Lazlo Nibble" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
Date: 13 Feb 1997 10:28:12 -0700 (MST)

> I'll go MAD if they commercialise Orbital style music etc.
>
> What can we do to stop their evil plot ???????

You can stop tying your ego to whether or not people you don't like enjoy the
same kinds of music you do.  Then it won't matter *how* popular Orbital gets.

--
::: Lazlo ([e-mail]; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo)

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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...
Date: 13 Feb 1997 15:13:11 -0500 (EST)





>
> okay....i share the same fear simply because i have already started to
> see this type of behavior. i used to have a residency at a club out in
> the suburbs and when i first started working there i was a bit surprised
> that i was getting requests for stuff like underworld's "cowgirl" and
> leftfield's "open up". the sad truth was that if i played any other song
> by these bands the dancefloor would clear and i was stuck looking like
> some sort of idiot who didn't know what "good music was". let's face it,
> most of use would rather hear something like "song of life" or even the
> instrumental to "open up" than to hear the same leftfield track every
> weekend evening for OVER A YEAR! but that is the mentality here in
> mainstream americaÖ. for the last 6 months i have been playing "born
> slippy" and not a sould would dance to it. the local "alternative"
> station q101 starts playing the only the first half and now every aswipe
> with a tommy hilfiger jacket and an eddie bauer flannel is asking for
> underworld oblivious to the fact that i am already playing "rez" or
> "dogman go woof".
> the last time i saw orbital live was when they were touring after the
> orbital 2 album here in chicago along with moby, dubtribe and
> vapourspace. every jerkoff who thought he was a "raver" just because he
> had a fresh jive t-shirt on was going nuts for moby and basically left
> when orbital got on stage. fact is that by this time moby was doing his
> usual "watch me bash the same keyboard i was bashing two years ago"
> routine and acting like a complete wannabe while orbital came out and
> played a quality set...to the point that they blew the fuses at the
> cabaret metro!
> so the only fear that we should have here is that orbital will have to
> compromise their integrity fo rthe sake of satisfying an album label or
> gaining that extra buck. let's face it: how likely is THAT?
>
> dj ernie
>


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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Rebirth RB-338!
Date: 13 Feb 1997 15:17:23 -0500

Seamus you just saved a f***in lot of money.  This program is
INCREDIBLE---> i've got to say FUCK!! - people please check this thing
out......it really blows the mind!!!!!

http://www.propellerheads.se

$199 for the program plus some other things!

StarPango

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From: "Anne L. Usion" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Rebirth RB-338!
Date: 13 Feb 1997 13:02:50 -0700

It's not for sale yet.  It's still in the alpha stage.  However, by all
means, download the alpha just to play with it.  I've been enjoying it for
a couple of months now.  Yes, I confess, that's where I've been hiding...

Here's some more info from the mailing list that I'm on for said program:

- Version 1.0 will not be available for 486/68040 platforms. It will only
work on Pentium/Power Macintosh processors. There are no technical problems
it's just that we're running out of time...

That may or may not be a deciding factor for some of you on the list.

Regards,

--Anne

>Seamus you just saved a f***in lot of money.  This program is
>INCREDIBLE---> i've got to say FUCK!! - people please check this thing
>out......it really blows the mind!!!!!
>
>http://www.propellerheads.se
>
>$199 for the program plus some other things!
>
>StarPango
>
>.....Email at [e-mail]
>.....IRC - us.undernet.org@#orbital....StarPango
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From: "R.Hardacre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
Date: 13 Feb 1997 17:43:11 +0000 (GMT)

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Lazlo Nibble wrote:

> > I'll go MAD if they commercialise Orbital style music etc.
> >
> > What can we do to stop their evil plot ???????
>
> You can stop tying your ego to whether or not people you don't like enjoy the
> same kinds of music you do.  Then it won't matter *how* popular Orbital gets.
>

yeah, but it pisses me off when i'm down the pub/club/cafe etc
and the same track comes on fifty times in a row, it doesn't matter
how good or bad it is, the problem with this is that people just
don't have a varied enough imagination. Society likes to enjoy
what is NEW and STAE-of-the-ART and the LATEST-TRENDs, then
thirty seconds later it's branded as OUT and not worthy, the
population just get's bored really quickly, when was the last
TOY-STORY reference on telly? Chances are the world's forgotten
about it now, even though when it was released EVRY shop/cafe/
macdonalds had the posters and stickers (and t-shirts and badges and
mugs and caps) plastered everywhere. It's because of this attitude
that we keep getting sixty new crap american films a second
cos people milk it and milk it and milk it until it gets boring.
So, like, the prodigy are kicking ass in the charts at the mo, but
now that good-old british public has got hold of it, it becomes

"oh not this again" when firestarter comes on the duke box for the fiftieth
time today, so in a while prodigy just won't be trendy and more, it just wont
be played or tolerated cos joe public has had enough. i think you
can only listen to a good tune so many times before it becomes tedious
but people seem to insist on using up all their "listens" in
as sort a space of time as poss. Instant Culture, it sucks, and
it drains the life out of good things, THAT's why i don't want
orbital to become the norm, cos everyone'll just kill it and it
won't be any fun anymore.

does anyone dig?

RiC!

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From: Kon-Tiki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...
Date: 13 Feb 1997 16:44:16 -0600 (CST)

    Unfortunately, good music will always be copied by bad imitators
(viz. the Beatles-the Monkees, Hank Williams-all other country/western
since, the list goes on and on ...) but I can still appreciate your view
about a lot of crap popping up.  Just to frighten you even more, take a
look at February 2nd's New York Times 'cos there is an article (a full
page one, too!) about electronica and its future in the U.S.  The author
of that article shares your fears about the future of electronica also,
in that it will be copied, diluted, or bastardized for the masses.
    I for one would not mind the majority of music fans learning of
Orbital's brilliance or, for that matter, Aphex, Black Dog, FSOL, or the
many other innovators of note.  As long as the fans know why they like
the music and can relate to it in a personal way I applaud electronic
music reaching the mainstream (because it will make it easier to find
videos by my favorite bands!).  Well, just my 2 cents of opinion.

P.S. - By the way, I brought several friends to Orbital's concert in New
Orleans this past Thanksgiving and they loved it.  And they had never
heard Orbital or Spring Heel Jack before.  Now they are ga-ga over it.
Time has yet to tell, but I am hopeful for the future.

On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, _ wrote:

> (this is sort of orbital related, so bear with me for a moment)...
>
> after picking up the newest spin (methinks the magazine is shit, but u2 was
> on the cover...sorry) i noticed an article saying something to the effect
> that, in america, record companies are looking to "electronic" music as the
> next big thing...now, this is not the first place i've heard this...it
> bothers me abit...now, in other countries, i understand that "electronic"
> music is common on the charts, and things of that sort...so, i guess this
> post really concerns those of us in the U.S. (my apologies if that sounded
> snob-ish)...but,i now am fearing the day when i go to see orbital and there
> are fraternity guys and their sorority girlfriends there to see them play
> the box, because they saw the video mtv or going to see The Prodigy and
> there are hordes of little kids screaming "PLAY FUCKIN' FIRESTARTER"...i am
> not saying that only i deserve to hear this kind of music nor am i saying
> that i am on the 'cutting edge' because i've these bands before most of the
> U.S, mainstream...but dammit if it gets any more popular in the U.S., it
> just may ruin it (for example, Nirvana gets popular and then every band
> starts wanting to sound like them with that 'Seattle Sound')...i don't think
> anybody needs cheap ripoffs of tricky or prodigy or orbital or any others
> who make enjoyable music (of any type)...
>
> any thoughts on the subject are welcome...
>
> -jeff
>
>
> ************************************************************
> * "...so, i've decided to take my work back undergound...  *
> *  to stop it falling into the wrong hands..."             *
> *                                -'Intro', The Prodigy     *
> ************************************************************
>
>

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From: "John E. Griswold" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
Date: 13 Feb 1997 20:22:46 -0500

R.Hardacre wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Lazlo Nibble wrote:
>
> > > I'll go MAD if they commercialise Orbital style music etc.
> > >
> > > What can we do to stop their evil plot ???????
> >
> > You can stop tying your ego to whether or not people you don't like enjoy the
> > same kinds of music you do.  Then it won't matter *how* popular Orbital gets.
> >
>
> yeah, but it pisses me off when i'm down the pub/club/cafe etc
> and the same track comes on fifty times in a row, it doesn't matter
> how good or bad it is, the problem with this is that people just
> don't have a varied enough imagination. Society likes to enjoy
> what is NEW and STAE-of-the-ART and the LATEST-TRENDs, then
> thirty seconds later it's branded as OUT and not worthy, the
> population just get's bored really quickly, when was the last
> TOY-STORY reference on telly? Chances are the world's forgotten
> about it now, even though when it was released EVRY shop/cafe/
> macdonalds had the posters and stickers (and t-shirts and badges and
> mugs and caps) plastered everywhere. It's because of this attitude
> that we keep getting sixty new crap american films a second
> cos people milk it and milk it and milk it until it gets boring.
> So, like, the prodigy are kicking ass in the charts at the mo, but
> now that good-old british public has got hold of it, it becomes
>
> "oh not this again" when firestarter comes on the duke box for the fiftieth
> time today, so in a while prodigy just won't be trendy and more, it just wont
> be played or tolerated cos joe public has had enough. i think you
> can only listen to a good tune so many times before it becomes tedious
> but people seem to insist on using up all their "listens" in
> as sort a space of time as poss. Instant Culture, it sucks, and
> it drains the life out of good things, THAT's why i don't want
> orbital to become the norm, cos everyone'll just kill it and it
> won't be any fun anymore.
>
> does anyone dig?
>
> RiC!

That makes perfect since ...that is what is happening to electronic
music in general....it's already a trend in the UK and now that it has
hit the US it's going to be overplayed and overplayed and ripped of by
people who are only in it for the money ......and good electronic acts (
like Moby used to be ) will have to start pleasing major labels and
change....like Moby....i just hope orbital will never sink to that level

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From: Mark S-D <[e-mail]>
Subject: aaaarrrrgggghhh !!!
Date: 14 Feb 1997 01:48:05 +0000

What's wrong with new people getting into Orbital, they're not all going
to be dickheads are they. Before you knew about Orbital you were most
likely quite similar to those people you are now looking down upon - not
exactly open minded is it ? (btw, like you I've been into it for years
it's no excuse) Society is on the whole always looking for new things
but it's just natural, things change - the other extreem is say, buying
Belfast and then saying "verily, tis the dogs bollocks, I shalt never
buy another record" which is just as ridiculous. It's unhealthy to keep
searching without paying attention to whats right in front of you sure,
and it's also not good to be too clingy. Just enjoy the music,
commercialism happens and it NEEDS new ideas to survive, it won't
destroy anything apart from what is already dead, and sometimes things
happen as a reaction against it - it's all creative someone somewhere is
going to enjoy it. If people are just into something because fashion
dictates as such they won't stick around for long, the magazines and TV
will try to sell them something else - which isn't good it's a pity,
that's the real downside that people put trust in people who are out to
rip them off. Orbital are massive already, you're all too late if you
want to keep a nice little scene to yourself. I'm sorry about being
offensive, I'm only human, I just see this negativity all the time.
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From: "A. Drobbner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 13 Feb 1997 22:02:38 +0100

Lindsey M wrote:

> I happen to like the Chemical Brothers as well as punk and ska music. I
> think that we shouldnt go around critizing other bands no matter how
> much we dislike their music. We should admire them for the talent(s)
> they do have.

I think you've got the right point there!!
It's easy to critize, but who of us has the talents to actually write
good music....?!?!?!?!?

Just wondering...

Rgds
--
A.DROBBNER at ElCafΘ, Hamburg
[e-mail]
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From: Kon-Tiki <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...?
Date: 13 Feb 1997 17:01:12 -0600 (CST)

    Actually I don't mind Spring Heel Jack being hyped.  I saw them
open for Orbital last tour and they kicked ass.  It was the first I had
heard of them and now I play them in heavy rotation on the radio.  All of
the tracks on 68 Million Shades ... are great.  Sorry for getting away
from Orbital, but it's kind of related ?!?  Anyway go buy the album
today.

On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, The Box wrote:

> Actually, if you wanna know what's getting hyped here in the US, besides
> the obvious Chem. Brothers & Prodigy, it's Spring Heel Jack. They had FULL
> page articles on them in this month's Spin, Raygun, Rolling Stone, CMJ,
> and I think maybe Alternative Press as well. That may not be exactly
> right, but I have read 4 full page stories about them in the last month.
>
> halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
> supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
> winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
>       <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
>           2. Prosperous; golden.
>
>

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From: "Ravis1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 13 Feb 1997 18:33:51 -0600

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Err.... Once again, the roots are missing.  I own things that I bought as
Hardcore as in "Hardcore, You Know The Score" several years ago, and it was
old shit then.

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>> 1)hardcore: could mean ANYTHING from Kraftwerk to Nine Inch Nails to
>> Industrial.  This term is meaningless.  ignore it.
>
>Hardcore Techno: Actually its killer shit from the early 90's.  Lots off
>wack samples with beats made for the E.  Check out Rising High's Techno
>Injection.  Satan is like a mild Hardcore Techno release.  LA Hardcore was
>a late approach in '94 at trying to follow the style (I still like it
>though).

errr...no.
Hardcore is one of the main streams of electronic music, nowadays it
consists of:
Breakbeat (or whatever you want to call jungle nowadays)
Happy Hardcore - around 180bpm
Gabba - about 200bpm upwards
Bouncy Techno - filling the gap between happy and gabba

Orbital is nothing at all to do with hardcore.

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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: "Forever" samples
Date: 14 Feb 1997 01:44:52 -0500 (EST)

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, tsee wrote:

>         OH GREAT!!! More findings of movies that Orbital has used samples
> from.  I really love these findings...it is rather fun.  I know that (or at
> least for those of you who have been on the list as long as I have) remember
> what a fuss I made about the "What's wrong?" voice on the last track of the
> first cd of the 2cd set of In Sides...(from THX 1138).

    THe second time it says that (the male voice) may indeed be from
THX, but I'm almost positive that the female voice at the beginning is
Carrie Fisher from 'Star Wars' right after Luke walks away from Han during
the scene in the hangar before they attack the Death Star..

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: not again.. <list related.. beggin and pleaing..>
Date: 13 Feb 1997 23:51:17 -0700

please.. i beg of all of you.. dont start another "I dont want Orbital to
be popular" fuss...  let the H&H Bros. be!  if you all had talent like they
do, i bet most of you would be crapping bricks and wanting people to
reconize your work..    <fade to black>



        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: LOOPZ WEB PAGE
Date: 05 Feb 1997 13:42:06 -0500 (EST)

Bollocks...

Sorry about that, gentle list people. I wanted to mention to Steve that his
page crashed my Windows 3.1 version of Netscape 2.02. Mind you, it is a
reasonably bad PC.

Cheers, Paul.

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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: T-shirts, hats, etc.
Date: 07 Feb 1997 16:09:59 -0600

Does anybody know of a place which sells t-shirts and other clothing for
groups like Orbital, Autechre and the like?  I want a WARP Records shirt
too......


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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Do you like good music?
Date: 11 Feb 1997 09:45:26 -0600

Yes?  Then go buy Freaky Chakra vs. Single Cell Orchestra!!! Bought this
baby last night for $13 and I'm in electro heaven.  Each song is mixed into
the next and it's very dance-able.  Some DJs out there need to pick this
one up.


[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Everybody, calm down ?
Date: 10 Feb 1997 14:25:48 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-09 17:29:57 EST, you write:

<< By the way I got a copy of Peel Session for my birthday an I *love* Walk
 about. >>
If it's the same as the version on Diversions, I love it too.

BTW, I totally agree w/the rest of your message....Lord knows that I'm
terrible about posting non-Orbital stuff, but this has gotten a little out of
hand....I mean, does anybody really want to read "Bjork sucks" or "No she
doesn't"?

Matt

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Chime 12"Omen12"Auction Update 4.2.97
Date: 04 Feb 1997 18:49:32 +0000

The auction closes at midnight Weds 5th/Thurs 6th. Bids after this will not
count.

As of 4th Feb current bids are as follows

Chime 12": =A325 (twenty-five pounds)
Omen 12": =A318 (eighteen pounds)

These bids do not include postage and packing, though that is only likely
to be a couple of pounds extra depending on where the records are going
(about six pounds outside the UK as I'm  proposing to send them recorded
delivery.)

thanks

Y. Song



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From: Mark S-D <[e-mail]>
Subject: A request for an Orbital video. ..Gimme !
Date: 10 Feb 1997 16:41:48 +0000

I didn't know of any other videos than the box (I have 10 secs of that
on tape, joy!). What is there?? Halcyon.....Are we here....Lush?!?!
Does anyone know if there is ANY way I can get hold of a copy ? I'd be
prepared to do swaps for things, and I have a few bits and bobs. Please
contact me by E-Mail if you can, I'll be waiting wide eyed !

I was wondering how popular they are in the USA now after the tour and
the vids on Amp....has Satan got into the US charts ? What did the
magazines over there make of the recent tour ? Yours curious.......
--
|  \/  |  ____|     \      Mark S-D
|      |____  |  ;)  )     [e-mail]
|  \/  |      |     /      [e-mail]

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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Aphex Twin
Date: 07 Feb 1997 16:08:53 -0600

Hey, just wanted to say that I bought the American version of "Richard D.
James" and must say that it's incredible.  Takes time to get used to, for
sure, but it's rewarding.  The U.S. version comes with the boy/girl song EP
and the second track on that EP, (title is hard to read...something about a
witch?) is very listenable and had me humming it all day.

I think AFX's idea for this album was to put together a few quickly-liked
songs which keep the new listner going while introducing some other,
harder-to-get-used-to songs which they'll appreciate in the long run.  So
far, I think it works.

BTW, saw that Spice Girl's video today.  How come the cutest one in the
video doesn't even sing once??


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Orbital for Tribal Gathering '97?
Date: 11 Feb 1997 18:08:27 GMT


>Are you sure about Kraftwerk playing the Tribal Gathering? Or was it =
some
>sophisticated joke that I'm too niaive to get?

no, no joke, and yes I'm sure that Kraftwerk are playing their first
gig for 6 years at Tribal Gathering this year, May24th

take it easy

  _________________  ______  ___________   ___
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    |   |  |        |       |       |\_     _/
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                             =20
     =20

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From: Martin Ayrton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 14 Feb 1997 10:42:29 +0000

>Orbital is nothing at all to do with hardcore.

I think Orbital are unique in that it's impossible to put them in
any one pidgeon hole.

I'm convinced it's because they've been creating excellent music for so
long.  Whenever a new act comes along we compare them to another
band that came before.  Orbital are ultimately an act that bands get
compared to, never the other way round.

I'm always amazed to see what a diverse range of music people on the
list listen to, Orbtial just seem to cross so many genres.

Looking forward to hearing the new stuff.

Mobeus Martin :)

[-A Cyborgs Eye View-------------------- http://www.u-net.com/~cev ]
| home of....          ( t h e   m o b e u s )                     |
[---------------- http://www.u-net.com/~cev/mobeus ----------------]

 New EP on Filterless featuring Plasm 604, Klangers & Light-Ship
 Cat No:13FKF12V - Distributed via Flying, **out now**



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From: "Seamus (James) Swift" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
Date: 14 Feb 1997 11:36:33 -0000



----------
: From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
: To: orbital <[e-mail]>
: Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
: Date: Thursday, February 13, 1997 5:28 PM
:
: > I'll go MAD if they commercialise Orbital style music etc.
: >
: > What can we do to stop their evil plot ???????
:
: You can stop tying your ego to whether or not people you don't like enjoy
the
: same kinds of music you do.  Then it won't matter *how* popular Orbital
gets.
:

It would be really nice if that were true but the fact remains that musical
genres (spelling ?) can be worn out through over indulgence. When people
overdose on anything it takes something out of it and it usually tends to
be detrimental to it. Take 80's rave music for example. If a DJ were to
play a tune like Acen's "Trip to the moon" in a club it would kill the
atmosphere. Now I like that tune but the fact that 80 rave was exploited by
commercialism has made it "corny" to listeners. Even pople like me who
still generaly don't care what other people think of the music I listen to
find that sort of music tiresome now. But if it wasn't commercialised I
probably wouldn't be embarrased to play it load in front of my friends. The
same applies to film genres etc. If thats an ego problem then most people I
know have some sort of ego problem and theres only a lucky few who can
block out the opinions of others.

I'm don't want to keep Orbital to myself and a selected few. It's great to
see them doing well but I would rather people listened to them because
their music is really good rather than listen to them because its trendy.


Last thing, who remembers what happen'd in the jungle scene when M-Beat
Fet. General Levey had a number one hit ? What was the reaction of the
jungle industry ?


::  \   Seamus (James) Swift
     |    a.k.a.  "whois"
::  /  Laughter is just Slaughter without an S

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From: Mitchel Waas <[e-mail]>
Subject: Underground Music Mailing Lists
Date: 11 Feb 1997 19:28:03 -0500

Hey all,

FYI, I've begun a rather ambitious project, compiling a list of ALL
underground music mailing lists, being called, obviously the UMML, or
Underground Music Mailing Lists.  (A man of shocking creativity, am I.)
This database is (at present) being distributed in a raw text file format.

A brief description:  Dedicated to providing a comprehensive listing of all
music-related mailing lists of an underground nature; including nightclubs,
radio, DJ'ing, raves, and genres including gothic, industrial, techno,
trance, ambient, ethereal, synthpop/new wave, new age, dance,
"electronica", and all offshoots.

If you are interested in a copy of this list, simply send me an e-mail at
this address (mailto:[e-mail]) with the SUBJECT LINE of
"umml-request" (without quotes, of course).  If you have any comments, feel
free to throw them into the body of the message.

Enjoy it!

lateron

Mitch
Midnight Sorrow


****************************************************
*  The South Florida Entertainment Guide!  TRY IT NOW at
*  URL:  http://www.shadow.net/~mwaas/mw-sofla.htm
*  My own homepage is at http://www.shadow.net/~mwaas
****************************************************

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From: Wesley Eccleston <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Desert Storm/The Brats
Date: 04 Feb 1997 11:10:09 -0800 (PST)

On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Yan wrote:

> Desert Storm: can anyone else hear the theme from the Sega (the old
> 16 bit one) game of the same name within the Orbital track, or am I
> alone in my delusion?
>
I know that the super nintendo had a game called Desert Strike, could it
be the Sega version?  I loved that chopper game, but I can't seem to hear
any orbital in it though    -wesleyeccleston

>
> Saw The O-Zone (English kiddie-pop prog) on Sunday. It covered the
> Brats and had many mini-interviews with bands saying the same things
> over and over "Yah, its great that the kids vote for these awards"
> etc. Then, there was Paul Hartnoll and Karl Hyde (the mad one from
> Underworld) looking a bit pissed. The interviewer says "So what's the
> future of dance music then?" Paul says "Techno on wheels!" Karl says
> "The Pennine Way!" and they both collapse in laughter. Maybe you had
> to be there, but it sure was more fun than anything else said....
>
> yan
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Ian Silvester,              "He dreams.. while he's not sleeping"
> Research Associate.                             - The Chameleons
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>

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From: Brian Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A little rant & a little plea
Date: 10 Feb 1997 17:02:13 -0600

hey sandy......sorry to hear about your misfortune....about a year ago
my apartment was broken into...they got all my electronic equipment
(stereo, keyboards, ect.) and about 250 of my CDs.....luckily, they
caught the guy(turns out it was the guy who lived across the hall from
me, whom i talked to just about every day.....) and i got all my
electronics back, but unfortunately, i didn't get any of the CDs back
(luckily the 250 they got was just a small peice of my collection....tho
they did get quite a few unreplaceable things.....)
anyway, the point of this is i feel for you....and i have a few orbital
singles i'd be happy to pass on to you(for free)...unfortunately, they
are not the rare ones, but at least you can save a little cash for
having to replace these....
they are: Satan(the original, not the live ones), time flies, and the
peel sessions ep(all on CD).......again, not much, but i hope this
helps.  i know what a sickening feeling it is to have your stuff ripped
off!!!(i'm a big meat beat manifesto nut, and the asshole, luckily, only
stole the full-length CDs and didn't mess with the singles, which would
be darn-near imposible to replace......so i can only imagine how you
feel to have ALL your orbital gone......sheesh.....)
oh well, just send me your address and i'll stick these in the mail
(that is if you need them....). take care, and hang in there.
Empatheticly yours,
Brian Davis
[e-mail]

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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 11 Feb 1997 09:43:20 -0600

>1) hardcore   2) tribal   3) trance (as opposed to techno)   4)handbag
(most
> important, because where the fuck did it come from?  Does it mean cheesy
> house for the masses?)   Anyway, thanks                       Love from
Khugo

Those sound like record store categories to me.  I'm not a Brit, and I too
live in a techno-less enviroment (Kansas) but I wrestled with the same
terms you are and this is what I've found out:

1)hardcore: could mean ANYTHING from Kraftwerk to Nine Inch Nails to
Industrial.  This term is meaningless.  ignore it.

2) Tribal: Supposedly jungle music or other high BPM (beats per minute)
music.  I'm guessing that the titles you're seeing are shit like that
Italian CD or the one with the cat on the record player with the clever
title like "Beat that Pussy" or something like that.  These CD's are
worthless and their only raison d'etre is to keep the electronic music fan
from finding good music.  Tribal is not a legitimate music category as far
as I'm concerned.

3)Trance:  a legitimate term.  Mostly dance music...covers a wide spectrum
music.  Trance is essentially all techno music that isn't Jungle, Ambient,
Drum and Bass...or at least that's my definition.  GOA Trance is a more
manic kind of trance which almost always has a Roland TB-303 buzzing
away....the 303 gives techno that "acid" sound.

4)handbag: have no idea what that means.  Sounds to me like a record
store's name for "Miscellaneous".

Here's what I recommend.......stick to buying non-compilation CDs unless
you've heard about a totally killer one such as "Wipeout XL"......(buy it
right now if you haven't).

Test the waters with some of the following bands...Autechre's "Amber",
Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works 2", Underworld's "Second Toughest of
the Infants", Freaky Chakra Vs. Single Cell Orchestra (don't know the
name...has two robots fighting on cover), Chemical Brother's "Exit Planet
Dust", and last but certainly not least, LTJ Bukem's "Logical
Progressions".  First and best bet is to buy that Wipeout XL Soundtrack
(not the game itself) and see what groups you like on that album.


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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Re: Mail failure
Date: 04 Feb 1997 15:47:35 -0500

>FROM: BAESEMA1/NMSVAX36/POSTMASTER
>TO: [e-mail]                                       DATE: 03-02-97
>                                                               TIME: 15:52
>SUBJECT: Mail failure
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>[008] Failure delivering user mail due to mailbag contention.
>Mail item was not delivered to:
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>FROM:    SMTP:[e-mail]
>
>TO:      SMTP:[e-mail]
>
>SUBJECT: How To Get Screewed
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>        A long while back.....just a couple months ago i made a trade deal
>with Daniel Hare.   This was at Christmas time when i sent everyon their
>trades.  Got back to school in January and still nothing from him.  So i
>emailed him and no reply........does anyone know the dude?  Well here's the
>documented situation......i'm grateful for any help that can be offered!
>
>>Accidently emailed it to XMission - so everyone will read it sorry
>
>>One last thing, I bought an extra NME a couple of weeks ago and forgot about
>>it, so the first private mail with address
>>from "Across the great lake, from the Good old Uncle US of Stateside, as
>>American as chocolate chip
>>biscuits and mum's apple tart" (Alan Partridge) secures one for anyone who
>>hasn't managed to snaffle one yet.
>>
>>Have a good week everyone.
>>
>>Daniel
>Doubt I'm the first but I'll give it a shot - whoever promised a trade for
>it a while back forgot about me so I never got it - I'm working on a
>collaboration of New Dark Times to send out for a trade - let me know
>what's up.
>
>Actually, you were the first Star Pango???
>
>Not really sure how to address you, but whatever you deem interesting for a
>trade will be fine.
>Always looking for new music.
>My home address is
>
>32 Bulwer St
>Shepherds Bush
>London W12 8AP
>ENGLAND
>
>Cheers
>Daniel
>
>StarPango
>
>.....Email at [e-mail]
>.....IRC - us.undernet.org@#orbital....StarPango
>.....Numeric Pager: http://www.pagenet.com/sendpg.cgi
>        -Region: 6148464515 Columbus, Ohio
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StarPango

.....Email at [e-mail]
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From: *jim briggs iii <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A request for an Orbital video. ..Gimme !
Date: 14 Feb 1997 09:44:36 -0500 (EST)

> I was wondering how popular they are in the USA now after the tour and
> the vids on Amp....has Satan got into the US charts ? What did the
> magazines over there make of the recent tour ? Yours curious.......

actually they're not incredibly hot in the u.s. yet. which kind of suits
me fine... IMHO not too many of us deserve it... look we bought over
5-million bush cd's... and the current rage is quite possibly the worst,
not to mentiona year-old, prodigy song i've ever heard... i think i'd like
to see keith flint get a train dropped on his head. and i'm not even a
violent guy... anyway there's the states report... not too much about them
in any mags save one article last year in SPIN...

    ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck****************
    *                                               *
    *           "my placebo will put you in disneyland" - m.b.m.       *
    *                                       *
    *  "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea"  *
    *                        -REM "be mine"           *
    ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/****


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From: "M.E.Cinnamond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 14 Feb 1997 14:53:44 BST


> I think Orbital are unique in that it's impossible to put them in
> any one pidgeon hole.
>
> I'm always amazed to see what a diverse range of music people on the
> list listen to, Orbtial just seem to cross so many genres.
>

That is so true.  I have been a big Orbital fan for a few years now,
but you can imagine my surprise when I went home from uni last summer
to discover both my brother and sister listening to them as well (my
brother being from the heavy metal/indie camp and my sister being
more of a teeny-bopper raver!)
How many bands could appeal across the board like that?


Mary Ellen :->

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Spice girls question
Date: 14 Feb 1997 07:12:13 -0800

I think she dosen't sing because unlike the rest of them, she realizes
that if she sings, she will make a (bigger) fool out of herself. She
dosen't want to ruin her future as a hooker.

Sarcomax

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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: Re: "Forever" samples
Date: 13 Feb 1997 22:24:53 -0500

>        THe second time it says that (the male voice) may indeed be from
>THX, but I'm almost positive that the female voice at the beginning is
>Carrie Fisher from 'Star Wars' right after Luke walks away from Han during
>the scene in the hangar before they attack the Death Star..
>

Are you talking about "I'll remember if it's the last thing I do..."? That
most certainly is NOT from Star Wars. I would know if it was. Trust me.
Plus, that line just would not fit in the context of that scene. Sorry to
burst your bubble, but i'm a big enough loser to have all three of those
movies memorized. Can't wait to see Empire on the 3-story THX screen in NYC
in a week! Woo-hoo!!!

sorry about that off-topicness...

Ben


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From: *jim briggs iii <[e-mail]>
Subject: freaky chakra vs. single cell orchestra
Date: 14 Feb 1997 09:40:07 -0500 (EST)

for the person who posted about this cd, the live act is even BETTER. got
to catch it when they were touring with MBM in the states - who by the way
were phenomenal as well... definitely freaky chakra vs. single cell
orchestra churned out some massive shit... not one to miss if you ever get
the chance...

    ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck****************
    *                                               *
    *           "my placebo will put you in disneyland" - m.b.m.       *
    *                                       *
    *  "i'll be the sky above the ganges/i'll be the vast and stormy sea"  *
    *                        -REM "be mine"           *
    ****-the rainbow mindbath:http://www.netsync.net/users/jbriggs/jim3/****


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 14 Feb 1997 16:10:48 +0000

At 10:58 13/02/97 -0600, Anthony Agee wrote:

>5)"Don't read the articles, listen to the music"   Umm, beg your pardon but
>how does one get exposure to new music?  Not everybody watches AMP.

I say DO read the articles, but take what they say with a pinch of salt.
Bands often get hyped undeservedly, and who's to say you won't like what's
considered crap by "those that know"?

>I admit I don't hold pre-1988
>techno in high regards

Have you heard 'Strings of life'?

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
Date: 14 Feb 1997 16:39:09 +0000

At 11:36 14/02/97 -0000, Seamus (James) Swift wrote:

>It would be really nice if that were true but the fact remains that musical
>genres (spelling ?) can be worn out through over indulgence. When people
>overdose on anything it takes something out of it and it usually tends to
>be detrimental to it. Take 80's rave music for example. If a DJ were to
>play a tune like Acen's "Trip to the moon" in a club it would kill the
>atmosphere.

And it doesn't help when they insist on re-releasing everything with modern
day cheesy remixes. I mean 'On a ragga tip' sounded fine back then, but the
new mixes I've heard are absolutely awful.

>I'm don't want to keep Orbital to myself and a selected few. It's great to
>see them doing well but I would rather people listened to them because
>their music is really good rather than listen to them because its trendy.

I think that the masses don't generally have good taste, so wouldn't get
into Orbital without a push and will probably never get into the older stuff
at all. Obviously there are those who don't fit this, but I have to wonder
how many people there are left that haven't had sufficient exposure to
electronic music to make them realise that they like it.

>Last thing, who remembers what happen'd in the jungle scene when M-Beat
>Fet. General Levey had a number one hit ? What was the reaction of the
>jungle industry ?

Well drum and bass or whatever you want to call it is doing alright at the
moment, it seems to be a scene that is immune to pressures from the
cheesemongers of the record industry. Or maybe it's just a matter of time.

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: [e-mail]
Subject:                     Re: aaaarrrrgggghhh !!!
Date: 14 Feb 1997 12:04:52 -0500 (EST)

My buddy, my English pal Mark you have put it in the most exact way as
possible.
I myself am sick as a dog seeing these people criticize something just to
criticize.
I know Americans are this way; you and I have talked about this--it seems
that people find something that other people love and hate it for no apparent
reason.        "If you have nothing good to say then don't say it" - I don't
remember who said this but please believe it!! I (have listened to these guys
forever myself) am sick of listening to the bickering of what is
"underground, what is techno, etc..." 500 emails a day when only 2 have to do
with Orbital related material (and those 2 are bitching at the people who
don't talk about Orbital)...get a grip!!!

marky mark your the best buddy!

jamie

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From: [e-mail]
Subject:              What's wrong?
Date: 14 Feb 1997 12:13:50 -0500 (EST)

The sample of "What's wrong? (female voice)" is from Star Wars...go see it in
the theatre for yourselves if you don't think so!!!  It's there...the scene
where strolls away from Han Solo in the hangar before the attack on the Death
Star.
peachy huh?

jamie


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From: Dark Train <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: aaaarrrrgggghhh !!!
Date: 14 Feb 1997 11:36:34 -0600 (CST)



On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> My buddy, my English pal Mark you have put it in the most exact way as
> possible.
> I myself am sick as a dog seeing these people criticize something just to
> criticize.
> I know Americans are this way; you and I have talked about this--it seems
> that people find something that other people love and hate it for no apparent
> reason.

    Bigot.

        "If you have nothing good to say then don't say it" - I don't
> remember who said this but please believe it!! I (have listened to these guys
> forever myself) am sick of listening to the bickering of what is
> "underground, what is techno, etc..." 500 emails a day when only 2 have to do
> with Orbital related material (and those 2 are bitching at the people who
> don't talk about Orbital)...get a grip!!!
>
    This all sounds nice, but I'm afraid the whole point of a
discussion group is to discuss things (such as what is techno, why Bjork
sucks, and if the Chemical Bros. have no talent).  Yes, the discussions
may wander (severely) from the Orbital content they are presupposed to
have, but regardless, they are discussions.  I find it quite fascinating
that most people have different views about the music I love and am more
than ready to share mine with them.  Anyway, although we shouldn't blast
artists and individuals for holding different views than us, we should be
refreshed by the fact that they defend their ideas.  I have trouble
imagining most of Hootie and the Blowfish's or Bush's fans doing that --
because they don't care.  At least people on this mailing list do.

James

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 14 Feb 1997 12:46:20 -0500 (EST)

Anthony you are so right!!!

I myself live in the DC area and am somewhat techno-less on the radio...the
stations here are very techno-less except one but we have already talked
about them once before...

The cds you suggest are awesome...if you don't mind i would like to add a
few?
intermix (album-"intermix") - very dancey, electro, hi volume of samples,
very good.
delirium (album-"semantic spaces")  - ethereal dance, somewhat gothic.
(these are side projects for the band 'front line assembly')


If someone would like to get into something a little more "industrial" (this
is my
forte' besides the stuff already mentioned):
of course front line assembly
haujobb
wumpscut
chemlab (newer stuff)
download
coil
nine inch nails (has a song created by Aphex Twin - "At the heart of it all",
on 'Further Down the Spiral')--anything of nin is awesome!


Marky mark ? any additions?

jamie

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A request for an Orbital video. ..Gimme !
Date: 14 Feb 1997 12:27:58 -0600 (CST)

I too would be interested in obtaining copies of the Orbital videos
besides "The Box".

On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Mark S-D wrote:

> I didn't know of any other videos than the box (I have 10 secs of that
> on tape, joy!). What is there?? Halcyon.....Are we here....Lush?!?!
> Does anyone know if there is ANY way I can get hold of a copy ? I'd be
> prepared to do swaps for things, and I have a few bits and bobs. Please
> contact me by E-Mail if you can, I'll be waiting wide eyed !
>
> I was wondering how popular they are in the USA now after the tour and
> the vids on Amp....has Satan got into the US charts ? What did the
> magazines over there make of the recent tour ? Yours curious.......
> --
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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 14 Feb 1997 12:36:18 -0600 (CST)



On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Martin Ayrton wrote:

> >Orbital is nothing at all to do with hardcore.
>
> I think Orbital are unique in that it's impossible to put them in
> any one pidgeon hole.
>
> I'm convinced it's because they've been creating excellent music for so
> long.  Whenever a new act comes along we compare them to another
> band that came before.  Orbital are ultimately an act that bands get
> compared to, never the other way round.
>
That's not true, I introduced Orbital to a musically diverse friend, and
he says that it sounds like they were heavily influenced by "Aphex Twin".

> I'm always amazed to see what a diverse range of music people on the
> list listen to, Orbtial just seem to cross so many genres.
>
Yes, I agree. Orbital appeals to a lot of different music listeners.

> Looking forward to hearing the new stuff.
>
> Mobeus Martin :)
>
> [-A Cyborgs Eye View-------------------- http://www.u-net.com/~cev ]
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>
>  New EP on Filterless featuring Plasm 604, Klangers & Light-Ship
>  Cat No:13FKF12V - Distributed via Flying, **out now**
>
>


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From: Dark Train <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A request for an Orbital video. ..Gimme !
Date: 14 Feb 1997 13:10:40 -0600 (CST)



On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Mark S-D wrote:
>
> I was wondering how popular they are in the USA now after the tour and
> the vids on Amp....has Satan got into the US charts ? What did the
> magazines over there make of the recent tour ?

    Well, it's only been about 2 1/2 months since I saw them -- but
there would appear to be no rise by them on the charts.  In fact, I
seriously doubt there would be, especially since the tour is over.  I
don't receive many magazines, but the few I do get make no mention of
them at all.  There did seem to be a marked decrease of available
In-Sides albums at Tower Records though ...

    By the way, maybe somebody can help me with this.  I've heard
that Aphex Twin may go on tour to support his album -- is this true?  If
not, sorry for wasting your time.

James

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: aaaarrrrgggghhh !!!
Date: 14 Feb 1997 16:00:04 -0500 (EST)

James...i hate to tell you something but I am no bigot...what I said was not
bigoted--look in the dictionary under "bigot"...better yet---here's the
definition!

"bigot" - a person who is intolerant especially in matters of religion,
politics, or race.

How the criminy hell am I a bigot??

didn't think so james...

jamie

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: A request for an Orbital video. ..Gimme !
Date: 14 Feb 1997 16:07:20 -0500 (EST)

PS james...i am an American and what I said is true...so there

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From: Mark S-D <[e-mail]>
Subject: I'll tell you what I want what I really really want....
Date: 14 Feb 1997 20:13:59 +0000

I've been at it with my scissors again ! I hope the quotes I've used
still make sense.... btw nothing much about Orbital in this post, you
have been warned.
________________________

Anthony you are so right!!!
The cds you suggest are awesome...if you don't mind i would like to add
Marky mark ? any additions?
Jamie
_________________________
Wow ! You like Coil, I'm into that too. I want to check out Hajoub
(spelling?) sometime but I've never seen the CD's sold anywhere.
Anyway...from what I recognise I like what you're into especially AFX,
theres so much I like so I'll try and keep it recent. For real chill out
stuff and atmospheres among others I'm into Beyond records...which has
artists like HIA, Insanity Sect, Stillpoint and did a few compilations
of quality stuff. Global Communication have a less intense atmosphere to
them, good to listen to if like me you feel a bit battered now and then.
I like my Dub & Trip-Hop too, labels like Ninja Tune, Fat City
Recordings, Mo Wax. If you like your Dub three great compilations are
Macro Dub Infection 1&2 and also Bill Laswells compilation Mysteries of
Creation on Axiom records. As we all know the techno scene is so vast
now but not many artists/labels seem to release quality stuff year after
year (he he...I can tell what you're thinking!) the exceptions have been
covered quite well on here, Warp are one of the leaders in the UK and
theres not much I don't like on that label - also Beaumont Hannant.
The LP Headstates by Slam is an LP I've enjoyed this year, It's got a
good crossover of different styles, kind of techno & trip hop & drum &
bass all at the same time, confusing huh ? ;) I don't know much about
industrial, for harsh sounds to go mad to I love Meat Beat Manifesto's
LP "Storm the Studio", been going mad to this today - best way to
relieve stress! Jump around to something like this for a few hours !!
AFX's Classics LP has some nice harsh sounds which would do the job too.
_________________________________________

I think that the masses don't generally have good taste, so wouldn't get
into Orbital without a push and will probably never get into the older
stuff at all. Obviously there are those who don't fit this, but I have
to wonder how many people there are left that haven't had sufficient
exposure to electronic music to make them realise that they like it.
Jon
_________________________________________
That's true about exposure I think, but remember that we are part of the
equation too - what havn't we had exposure to ? How many things have we
all passed by and said is shit without really listening ?         Mark.
_________________________________________

Are you talking about "I'll remember if it's the last thing I do..."?
That most certainly is NOT from Star Wars. I would know if it was. Trust
me. Plus, that line just would not fit in the context of that scene.
Ben
_________________________________________
I think it's said by John Kennedy's wife just after the shooting.
Perhaps we should have an Orbital sample discography, I know five so
far. One obvious one which hasn't been mentioned is "Oolaa" from the
prog. rock "War of the Worlds" LP. (I can't reccommend this LP enough!)
It might be a bit pompous sounding to the ears of the techno lover but
theres some great songs on there ! I listened to it as a kid so I guess
I'm a bit biased. Ha ha. Perhaps it hasn't been mentioned because it's
too obvious, forgive me for my ignorance !!              Mark
__________________________________________


I have been a big Orbital fan for a few years now,
but you can imagine my surprise when I went home from uni last summer
to discover both my brother and sister listening to them as well (my
brother being from the heavy metal/indie camp and my sister being
more of a teeny-bopper raver!)
How many bands could appeal across the board like that?
Mary Ellen :->
_________________________________________
It's just great ! It might be because Orbital have so many influences,
who knows....I love it anyway. My sister is a punk but she loves Orbital
too, I learnt that punk isn't all headbanging, which was one of my
prejudices when I was younger and devoted to hip hop & house only.  Mark
____________________________________________

I think she dosen't sing because unlike the rest of them, she realizes
that if she sings, she will make a (bigger) fool out of herself. She
dosen't want to ruin her future as a hooker.

Sarcomax
_____________________________________________
I liked this ! :>  But if she was a hooker I might be tempted !  It's
complete and utter cheese I know, you would only think otherwise if your
hormones have taken over your brain. I'm quite content to sit there and
oggle at the video's....if I bought the LP I might start to worry. Hey,
the one with the red hair, phoar ! Mummy mummy I want a blow up one !
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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RB-338 and my ego at work
Date: 13 Feb 1997 19:20:58 -0600

Been playing with that RB-338 thing for about an hour.  IN-CREDI-BLE.  I
had no clue how to work the thing but now I think I am getting the hang out
of it.  Damn this thing makes you REALLY respect samplers....because you're
not getting good beats out of a damn 808, that's for sure...at least not
without using a delay your not.

BTW, as I've said before, electronic music as we know it will never hit big
stateside.  That's a promise.  And if Orbital do get popular (highly
unlikely) I won't care....as long as they keep making that sweet music.  I
suppose the worst thing that could happen is some post-popularity syndrome
that might hit the real fans (us)....I can just hear it now.  "Dude, you
listen to Orbital?  They're soooo old. Get with it".  LOL I would laugh my
ass off.

I think what's most likely to happen is that the pop kings will adapt
electronica (a diluted version) into their own music....thereby diffusing
the IDM bomb which could and would hit America.  Hopefully, it will open
minds and make electronic instruments more acceptable to the listener.
That's perhaps the only positive outcome.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The Saint single
Date: 14 Feb 1997 22:11:03 GMT


>That's the truth. I have been told it sounds a bit like the box. I =
should
>be able to get MY hands on it in a week or so (it's just great having
>friends at radio stations).

bloody yanks hearing it before me...grumble grumble...:)
hehe only joking...well, no, not really but I didn't mean any
offence!! :)
make sure it's a BIG sample.

take it easy
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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: indie techno scene
Date: 14 Feb 1997 16:27:57 -0600

I just wanted to say that I despise people who listen to music just because
it's "indie".  I've had a few people give me shit because I listen to
"popular" groups like Orbital and FSOL.  Hey, look.  I apologize that my CD
collection doesn't consist of shit like "DJ Frenzo" and herds of other
no-name DJ/artists/musicians.  In America, this whole electronica thing is
still brand new and even a name as big as Underworld will draw blank stares
from 9 out of 10 people my age.

I listen to good music, and I don't give a shit who makes it.  If goddamn
Barry Manilow puts out good music, I'm going to buy it.  There is one thing
that I cannot stand: music snobs.  Why don't some of you snobs go out there
and make "We Have Explosive" if it's so damn easy?

Sorry for the rant.

On Orbital:---------->>Now that we've all pretty much digested In Sides by
now, how would you guys rank the 4 albums that Orbital have released?  My
rankings:

1:Snivilisation (my first)
2: In Sides
3: Brown
4: Green

If possible, please indicate which was your first Orbital purchase!


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From: Aimee Merritt <[e-mail]>
Subject: album rankings
Date: 14 Feb 1997 15:03:24 -0800

I'd have to rank them this way:
Brown
In Sides (Brown just barely beats In Sides only because I think the
Brown album functions better as a whole-- both are basically flawless
so it's hard to choose.)
Green
Sniv

I purchased the Green album when it came out so that was my first
album and I bought the Chime single soon after.

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From: Mark S-D <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 14 Feb 1997 20:44:04 +0000

>That's not true, I introduced Orbital to a musically diverse friend, and
>he says that it sounds like they were heavily influenced by "Aphex Twin".

I think Orbital would disagree though, show your friend some interviews!
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: aaaarrrrgggghhh !!!
Date: 14 Feb 1997 19:06:19 -0500 (EST)

PS---let's get back to talking about why were in this group...the brothers

jamie

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From: "^EA^" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Everything is wrong
Date: 14 Feb 1997 23:47:19 -0800

Below is an interview piece with Moby taken from the Boston Globe (USA)
Friday Febuary 14 1997....

<edit>
       The buzz of the moment in alternative rock circles: Techno, aka
Electronica,will be the next big wave to wash over us.

The most prominent,popular and charismatic techno artist of the early 90's:
Moby, a man who brought drama and passion to a genre often noted for it's
anonymity and seamless grooves.
The artist who has abandoned what he once pioneered:one and the same Moby.


"I lost interest," say's Moby 31, on the phone from his New York studio.

"There was a period from about 1987 to 1991 when i was in love with the
seminal house music,early techno and the rave scene.Over the last couple
of years,though,i just think it's lost what made it special.It ceased to
be vulnerable.It did'nt seem that passionate.A lot of the stuff that's
being championed these days seems like it's too sauve,too stylistic,
like Orbital and the Chemical Brothers.It's nice,but cool...not intense.
It makes nice background music for having people over and hanging out,
but i don't sit down and listen to - and vicariously get caught up in -
what is going on."
                    </edit>

Not passionate? nice background music? There are a couple of tracks
that could be used as background music,Belfast is one that comes to mind,
but saying Orbital's music lacks passion?
I think Moby should get out more, maybe i'll send him a Satan live ep.

Steve you could put this to P&P when you next speak with them for some
intial response and put it in your 'Zine :)

On a side note, Prodigy "Firestarter" went straight in at number 20 in the
Boston
"hot" 25 singles this week, U2 "Discotheque" went straight in to number 5
and
steve's all time fave's the Spice Girls ;) moved upto number 1 .

  Mick

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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...?
Date: 15 Feb 1997 00:27:46 -0500 (EST)

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Kon-Tiki wrote:

>     Actually I don't mind Spring Heel Jack being hyped.  I saw them
> open for Orbital last tour and they kicked ass.  It was the first I had
> heard of them and now I play them in heavy rotation on the radio.  All of
> the tracks on 68 Million Shades ... are great.  Sorry for getting away
> from Orbital, but it's kind of related ?!?  Anyway go buy the album
> today.

    I saw 'em too, and just wasn't that impressed. I haven't really
been impressed with any 'drum and bass' stuff that I've heard. It all
sounds very contrived to me. Admittedly, they are better than the rest of
the bunch, and it is decent music, I just don't see how it's all that
wonderful..

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Halcyon, The Box, Are We Here vids...
Date: 15 Feb 1997 00:01:12 -0700

*rather than mail each person individually, i thought this would be easier
and quicker...  sorry!!*

ok.. ive gotten a few requests of some vids that i have, and was wondering
how much posting would cost roughly, from Oregon (USA) to North Carolina
(not too worried about price). and from Oregon to the UK??  ive sent a
couple packages from here to South Africa and it costed me approx. 40 US
dollars to send it airmail...  i was just curious.. (those of you who this
applies to, dont worry! you'll get yer stuff..)  go ahead and mail me
privetly so no one else will be miffed...  thanks!!  again appologies for
this little manifesto..



        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 15 Feb 1997 04:30:07 -0500 (EST)

Stop sending me mail

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From: Peter Backx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 15 Feb 1997 12:20:53 +0100 (MET)


On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Chris Herz wrote:

> here are my definitions..  please correct me if im way off... which will
> probably occur.. (btw, im not british ;)   )
>
> 1) hardcore- fast beat.. really really fast! almost industrial like...
and mostly they have those 'dominator' sounds in them.

> 2) tribal- jungle-ish? (my definition)  some tribal ooo's and aah's in
> there...
>             kinda like some Enigma, maybe...
>
> 3) trance- ambient chillin' music w/ a slowish beat to it.. i cant dance to
> it
>         really well... (again my definition..)
maybe we , in belgium, have another definition then you americans:
trance has a bpm of around 120 (but there are of course exceptions in both
ways) The bass and bassline are (normally) the most important element of
the music. In the more 'commercial' variation of trance there's also a
nice melody on top of this, Rober Miles's children is a good example of
(soft, commercial, whatever) trance (especially the original mix). It's
rather hard to explain :) BBE (seven days and one week) is also an example
of trance. Trance used to be the most popular house-music in Belgium, but
things are changing.
In some way you could see ambient as a sort of trance (but really slow and
without a bass), but you could also see trance as some kind of ambient.
Most of the orbital things (I only got one cd :( ) are a combination
between trance, ambient and techno.

> 4) handbag-  something one male would do alone?  sorry... sick minded
> people!!
>               ugh!
>
I have no idea what handbag might be :)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
Date: 15 Feb 1997 11:20:52 GMT


>And it doesn't help when they insist on re-releasing everything with =
modern
>day cheesy remixes. I mean 'On a ragga tip' sounded fine back then, but =
the
>new mixes I've heard are absolutely awful.=20

OY!! GREEN!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Slipmatt's remix of On A Ragga Tip is wicked, OK the Goodfello's rmx
and F&S rmxs are crap.
Slipmatt's just brought the choon up to date from the version he made
in 92.
Comparing the hardcore scene with the commercial dance scene is a very
silly thing to do indeed.

take it easy
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From: Peter Backx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...
Date: 15 Feb 1997 12:30:21 +0100 (MET)


On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, _ wrote:

> (this is sort of orbital related, so bear with me for a moment)...
>
> after picking up the newest spin (methinks the magazine is shit, but u2 was
> on the cover...sorry) i noticed an article saying something to the effect
> that, in america, record companies are looking to "electronic" music as the
> next big thing...now, this is not the first place i've heard this...it
> bothers me abit...now, in other countries, i understand that "electronic"
> music is common on the charts, and things of that sort...so, i guess this
> post really concerns those of us in the U.S. (my apologies if that sounded
euhm we call the 'electronic' music that is popular down here in Belgium
commercial music (I think you americans call it euro-dance) It's a silly
bassline some babes singing. It's not even worth listening to.

> snob-ish)...but,i now am fearing the day when i go to see orbital and there
> are fraternity guys and their sorority girlfriends there to see them play
> the box, because they saw the video mtv or going to see The Prodigy and
> there are hordes of little kids screaming "PLAY FUCKIN' FIRESTARTER"...i am
> not saying that only i deserve to hear this kind of music nor am i saying
> that i am on the 'cutting edge' because i've these bands before most of the
> U.S, mainstream...but dammit if it gets any more popular in the U.S., it
> just may ruin it (for example, Nirvana gets popular and then every band
> starts wanting to sound like them with that 'Seattle Sound')...i don't think
> anybody needs cheap ripoffs of tricky or prodigy or orbital or any others
> who make enjoyable music (of any type)...
>
about the ripoffs: there's some truth in that:
I hope you know Robert Miles, he was really popular (number one in all
charts (dance, pop, ..)) some time ago. I personally really like his
'children' song, but not much after that a lot of groups (zhivago,
 ...) started with the same piano-line and stuff, it really sucked :)
About orbital getting popular, I don't think they make music for a 'large'
audience. The Prodigy is in some of the charts here (right now it's
breathe that's popular) and they play on some festivals with the screaming
kids :) But most of the good trance/ambient/techno things are still
underground (with some exceptions of course) so I wouldn't worry just yet
:)

regards
peter

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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Moby, the critic.
Date: 15 Feb 1997 12:14:18 -0600

Yeah, well you know what *I* think?  Moby sucks.  And anybody who says that
Orbital's music lacks passions sucks as well.


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From: [e-mail] (Layne Staley)
Subject: questions.. comments..
Date: 15 Feb 1997 13:56:05 -0500 (EST)

Okay, I'm rather new to this mailing list. I really like Orbital.
I like them more than any other musical group, actually, but I'm
not really into the electronic music scene much. Most of my friends
are, but I don't like most of the groups. Lords of Acid, Prodigy,
Underworld, Chem Bros, they all seem to lack a sort of emotion if
you ask me. They lack something that Orbital has, but I can't put
my finger on what. I think its emotion. Orbital is emotional and
thought provoking.. does anyone know of any other electronic
groups that are like that? (preferably without lyrics)

Also, can someone list some of Orbital's EP's? All the albums I
know of and have heard are: Orbital 1 (you guys call it Green,
my friends and I call it Orbital 1), Orbital 2 (Brown), Snivilization,
In Sides, the Halcyon EP, and Diversions. Thats all I know.
Oh, my ranking of the LP's would be: In Sides, Brown, Green, Sniv.

Does anyone know if Orbital is going to be touring in the US
any time soon? I would really like to see them. I've been listening
to them since '95 and I still haven't seen them in concert.
You guys were talking about Orbital videos, too. I liked the video
for The Box, and I've heard about one for Halcyon. I think the
Orbital guys should release a video cassette with all their video's
on them. Did I gather wrong that someone on this mailing list
has connections with them? If someone does, maybe you could mention
that idea to them. If not, sorry. :)

Finally, on the note of Orbital becoming a mainstream band. I don't
know how likely it is because they aren't of a style that would
catch on with people that easily. I think they may go a bit beyond
where they are now, and then stay there. I see something mention
them in Rolling Stone every so often. I figure they'll probably
get a name for themselves and that will be it.
I really wouldn't want Orbital to become a main stream band because
people would like them for the trend and not the music. All of a
sudden Orbital would lose its uniqueness and it would become just
another t-shirt explosion for about a month, and then it would be
labeled as out. Why do bands have to be "in" or "out"? That really
ruins the good music.

Anyway, thats my 2 cents. Quite a large 2 cents, though, huh?

- Brian

--
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not
certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
                -- Albert Einstein

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 15 Feb 1997 14:36:21 -0500 (EST)

hardcore... not necessarily fast beat.. but a heavy one.. one that is almost
driven by aggresion and possible strong sexual overtones(samples of orgasms
and the like)
loud bass and synth loops("bwowmp" sounds, dig?) usually a good 130-140 beat
per minute.

tribal.. not jungle.. uses loops of african and south american beats(congos
and bongos) usually put into the house section, but again using flutes and
such.. Enigma is more Breakbeat to me, not tribal at all.

trance-ambient... trance is the more hypnotic dance beats(orbital, Orb,
Underworld, Speedy J, Electric Skychurch) ambient reminds me of the more
cosmic stuff(SETI, Omnicron, some Moby, Most Orb) trance uses a variety of
lush synth sounds, and smooth dance beats, that put in a mood of peace and
relaxation.

Handbag? not familiar with that one.... heard of the style Ambient Groove?
just another name in a wide variety of descriptions. i think each one has a
personal meaning to all of us electronic music fans.

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From: "Steve Goss" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Moby, the critic.
Date: 15 Feb 1997 11:33:10 -0800

> From: Anthony Agee <[e-mail]>
> Yeah, well you know what *I* think?  Moby sucks.  And anybody who says
that
> Orbital's music lacks passions sucks as well.

well, you certainly don't lack passion, maybe just a diverse vocabulary. :)

<--------------->
Steve Goss
[e-mail]
<--------------->


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...
Date: 15 Feb 1997 14:45:17 -0500 (EST)

i'm glad there are others out there who fear the assimilation and the
eventual destruction of a once proud and thriving Culture. i talk of that
which is electronic. i can already sens e the commercial monsters sniffing
the wind for their next kill. they will come in and ruin the Culture that has
for so long avoided their Mass-Media bullshit. I ask all of you out there in
the U.S to eradicate the invasion by not supporting anything that has
commercialism written all over it. If you see a Pepsi banner at a club or
dance party, demand your money back, and warn others that it may be too late.
this is about making our Culture strong. we have thrived for years without
MTV even giving us the slightest notice, and now i fear the worst. A million
copycat groups with the IQ of four, yet enough brains to rip off something
good will bring shame to those who have true talent. Prodgy will be big, but
because they have a "marketable Gimmick" (teen angst and the like) but I ask
all who read this in the U.S. to standup against Coporate assimilation and
Fight for the Electronic Culture. We will not let them destroy us. They will
bring the Frat boys who want nothing more than to start a fight and make
trouble. That isn't what we are about. I started going to the dances and
clubs to revile in an atmosphere of communal nature, of peace love unity and
respect, and now  know, since it is the in thing to do, there will be hordes
of angry, disillusioned and violent youth sepping into our peacful Culture.
on't let them ruin it. Please.

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From: chris lietz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...
Date: 15 Feb 1997 14:37:48 -0600

i have been reading way too many messages about this "invasion" bs.  if
you truly enjoy electronic music (or any other kind) it will not be
ruined by commercialism.  if you take the time to find out what is good
and appealing to your ears there is no amount of promotion that will
make you buy something you do not like. obviously not every person who
hears electronic music is going to take the time,effort, and especially
money to do all the necessary research and buying it takes to even stay
remotely on top of things. people who buy certain cds or records because
it is "hip" have the same right as anyone else does.  anyone who feels
that "our culture" will be destroyed is disillusioned. if you truly
belong to some other culture it will remain long after the prodigy come
and go.  in addition, there are many on the orbital list who are new
enough to this genre that they should not be pointing fingers.  anyone
who confuses the orb and orbital should be more worried about becoming
knowledgable than if we are going to be flooded with electronic acts on
mtv.  i am listening to envane by autechre right now and i dont give a
damn if it sells 3000 copies or a million, it still sounds the same to
me.

btw- i have been on this list + the orb list+ the idm list and this is
my first post in 4 years.  i finally got pissed off enough.


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From: kiss the sun and walk on air <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 15 Feb 1997 15:39:37 -0500

At 12:20 pm 2/15/97 +0100, you wrote:
>rather hard to explain :) BBE (seven days and one week) is also an example

is the above some by BBE avaliable on CD *anywhere*?
i've heard it out a few times and it is one of my faves.
-pete

---
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---
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be the end of society as we know it."  - Arizona House Majority Leader J.
Ernie Baird
---
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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A request for an Orbital video. ..Gimme !
Date: 15 Feb 1997 15:50:36 -0500 (EST)

>
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Mark S-D wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering how popular they are in the USA now after the tour and
> > the vids on Amp....has Satan got into the US charts ? What did the
> > magazines over there make of the recent tour ?
>
>     Well, it's only been about 2 1/2 months since I saw them -- but
> there would appear to be no rise by them on the charts.  In fact, I
> seriously doubt there would be, especially since the tour is over.  I
> don't receive many magazines, but the few I do get make no mention of
> them at all.  There did seem to be a marked decrease of available
> In-Sides albums at Tower Records though ...
>
>     By the way, maybe somebody can help me with this.  I've heard
> that Aphex Twin may go on tour to support his album -- is this true?  If
> not, sorry for wasting your time.
>
> James
>

   Somebody PLEASE let me know if (or when) Aphex Twin or Orbital are coming
to the New York tri-state area!!! I'm leaving to Ankara in the middle of May
and I REALLY wanna see them instead of missing them.

Fulya

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 15 Feb 1997 16:09:15 -0600 (CST)

I don't have any interviews. :(

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Mark S-D wrote:

> >That's not true, I introduced Orbital to a musically diverse friend, and
> >he says that it sounds like they were heavily influenced by "Aphex Twin".
>
> I think Orbital would disagree though, show your friend some interviews!
> --
> |  \/  |  ____|     \
> |      |____  |  ;)  )
> |  \/  |      |     /      [e-mail]
>


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: questions.. comments..
Date: 15 Feb 1997 22:42:44 GMT


>thought provoking.. does anyone know of any other electronic=20
>groups that are like that? (preferably without lyrics)

OK, chem bros, prodge and underworld are all the hyped up, popular
bands, stay away from them.
I do like electronic music so we're not really on the same wavelength,
though it was orbital that got me into electronic music from guitar
bands, and now I'm 100% raver...lets see,
I think you should try CJ Bolland's "Electronic Highway" album, yes,
that is a definite suggestion. You might also want to try Mu-Ziq
"Bluff Limbo" - actually, I would strongly recommend that as well.

>Also, can someone list some of Orbital's EP's? All the albums I
>know of and have heard are: Orbital 1 (you guys call it Green,
>my friends and I call it Orbital 1), Orbital 2 (Brown), Snivilization,
>In Sides, the Halcyon EP, and Diversions. Thats all I know.

right, try The Box.

take it easy
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From: Mark S-D <[e-mail]>
Subject: Yanks unite...(if only)
Date: 15 Feb 1997 22:26:28 +0000

In message <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] writes
>i'm glad there are others out there who fear the assimilation and the
>eventual destruction of a once proud and thriving Culture. i talk of that
>which is electronic. i can already sens e the commercial monsters sniffing
>the wind for their next kill. they will come in and ruin the Culture that has

hmm....ever wondered what made the scene so united and healthy in the
first place ? It really isn't that difficult and it's still happening.
The big raves were bound to happen as it did thrive so much, the smaller
events happen alongside at the same time & if like me you prefer it to
be more creative and personal, support these instead. Product placement
does suck, if it can be avoided best to do it - sometimes though a
promotor will use the money to make a better night, better lights better
facilities etc - so they might be trying to do the right thing instead
of money worship, it depends....is a bit of a compromise though I think.
So many people love electronic music, it goes beyond fashion it's a
whole alternative way of creating music and human expression - please
have faith... it's not going to dissapear just because a few arseholes
just want to make money out of it for a year or two. They are the ones
who loose out in the end. I'm not going to go on about this anymore, my
last post said much the same thing anyhow, you can all wallow in your
"Oh no" states of mind if you wish of course.....he he !  ;)
--
|  \/  |  ____|     \
|      |____  |  ;)  )
|  \/  |      |     /      [e-mail]

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From: Mark S-D <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 16 Feb 1997 00:17:52 +0000

In message <Pine.LNX.3.95.970215160857.20423A-100000@shamu>, Reality
<[e-mail]> writes
>> >That's not true, I introduced Orbital to a musically diverse friend, and
>> >he says that it sounds like they were heavily influenced by "Aphex Twin".
>On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Mark S-D wrote:>
>I think Orbital would disagree though, show your friend some interviews!
>I don't have any interviews. :(
You would agree that AFX and Orbital do sound quite different though
don't you think ?! Anyway, if you have access to the web here are some
pointers to some excellent things put together by other people including
some pages with interviews and suchlike. It's impossible to work out
what all their influences are but you can pick up a lot of stuff, as
always read between the lines...who said what, a lot of it is opinion.

http://www.rise.co.uk/orbital                     (Official site)
http://www.cableinet.co.uk/users/BaDmUtHa         (Steve "Loopz" Price)
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/birminham/loopz      (Loopz)
http://members.aol.com/orbital101/band.html       (Interviews, I think?)
http://www.iuma.com/seconds/html/issue29/Orbital  (Stopped clock?)
http://www.jorsm.com/~digger/orbital.htm          (Digger's site)
http://www.dotmusic.co.uk/MWtalentorbital.html    (forgotton, ooops)
http://hyperreal.com:2000/1/music/artists/orbital
http://www2.infoseek.com/Titles?qt=ORBITAL
http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs             (Lazlo's discography)

These are the ones I have bookmarked in the order that I came to them,
by no means all of them I'm sure and if anybody knows of any others I'd
love to know them. I hope nobody minds me putting them in a list like
this, I mean no harm ! E-Mail me privatley if this is of no use to you.
(I posted to the list as I thought it might be of help to some people.)
--
|  \/  |  ____|     \
|      |____  |  ;)  )
|  \/  |      |     /      [e-mail]

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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: T-shirts, hats, etc.
Date: 15 Feb 1997 19:40:28 -0500 (EST)

>
> Anthony Agee wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody know of a place which sells t-shirts and other clothing for
> > groups like Orbital, Autechre and the like?  I want a WARP Records shirt
> > too......
>
> Yeah! If you go to Orbital's official site they sell lotsa stuff!!!
> ...but that doesnt quite work too well if you live in the US :(
>

How about in the US? Does anyone know of such a place? Specifically in New
York City?

Fulya

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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Moby, the critic.
Date: 15 Feb 1997 19:49:51 -0500 (EST)

>
> Yeah, well you know what *I* think?  Moby sucks.  And anybody who says that
> Orbital's music lacks passions sucks as well.
>
>
I completely and totally and fully agree with your last line.

                       me

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From: "A. Drobbner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Orbital live vs. ''Satan-Live''
Date: 16 Feb 1997 02:41:09 +0100

Hi there..

Some days ago I bought the triple cd-set of "Satan - Live". Although
the songs are good, the choice is excellent and they sound pretty good
I'm a bit disappointed, 'cause they don't really catch the live
atmosphere. I saw them here in Hamburg on 'Kampnagel' and they kicked
ass!! (It was a seated location, but after two songs 3/4 of the crowd
stood up and danced in front of the band. Amazing....) Perhaps it would
have been better if the sound of the crowd would be louder, I don't
know....
Does anyone have the same opinion???

Rgds,
Andreas

|  A.DROBBNER at ElCafe, Hamburg  |
|       [e-mail]          |

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From: "A. Drobbner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: questions.. comments..
Date: 16 Feb 1997 02:55:41 +0100

[e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> OK, chem bros, prodge and underworld are all the hyped up, popular
> bands, stay away from them.

Perhaps you wouldn't say that if they weren't hyped...I don't know...
A lot of people talk like you................
I like them. They simply make good music. That's it!! (No more comment)

> You might also want to try Mu-Ziq "Bluff Limbo" - actually, I would > strongly recommend that as well.

Yep. That's really a great album. Especially the song "Hector's House"
rules! I would also go for Mu-ziq's "Tango 'n' Vectif". Astonishing
album!


|  A.DROBBNER at ElCafe, Hamburg  |
|       [e-mail]          |

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: questions.. comments..
Date: 16 Feb 1997 03:27:09 -0500 (EST)

i really like Spacetime Continuum.. they have a great cosmic vibe

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From: Cornelius <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 16 Feb 1997 01:30:40 -0800 (PST)

I read an article on "rave culture" last year in one of my classes and I
seem to remember the author mentioning something about "handbag". She said
something to the effect that it was cheesy, generic crap. Like the Spice
Girls :P


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: woohoo!!!
Date: 16 Feb 1997 04:44:33 -0500 (EST)

woohoo!!! finally got my Satan Live discs from Steve!!! (thanx Steve).
 Anyway, I just wanted 2 mention that disc 3 has finally made me like Impact
=)  Made Chime sound a whole lot better too......

BTW, whoever was asking about good electronic artists should definitely check
out Aphex Twin......

--Matt

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From: Daniel Kasaj <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital live vs. ''Satan-Live''
Date: 16 Feb 1997 15:31:49 +0100 (MET)

>stood up and danced in front of the band. Amazing....) Perhaps it would
>have been better if the sound of the crowd would be louder, I don't
>know....
>Does anyone have the same opinion???

All I've been hearing from this bunch is "I wish they didn't include the
crowd noise.." :)
I personally don't mind, and think the EP's just perfect.

--

   Daniel Kasaj - [e-mail]    URL: http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~leqash
  Home : Borovje 8, Zagreb, CROATIA                    phone - [phone]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: dictionary help please
Date: 16 Feb 1997 15:13:36 GMT

>hardcore... not necessarily fast beat.. but a heavy one.. one that is =
almost
>driven by aggresion and possible strong sexual overtones(samples of =
orgasms
>and the like)
>loud bass and synth loops("bwowmp" sounds, dig?) usually a good 130-140 =
beat
>per minute.
>tribal.. not jungle.. uses loops of african and south american =
beats(congos
>and bongos) usually put into the house section, but again using flutes =
and
>such.. Enigma is more Breakbeat to me, not tribal at all.
>trance-ambient... trance is the more hypnotic dance beats(orbital, Orb,
>Underworld, Speedy J, Electric Skychurch) ambient reminds me of the more
>cosmic stuff(SETI, Omnicron, some Moby, Most Orb) trance uses a variety =
of
>lush synth sounds, and smooth dance beats, that put in a mood of peace =
and
>relaxation.

>Handbag? not familiar with that one....=20

you don't sound too familiar with most of them...

I really think it would be a good idea to know this thread on the
head.
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    |   |  |        |       |       |\_     _/
    |   |  |        |       |       |  |   |
    |___|   \______/|______/|______/   |___|

                             =20
     =20

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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: music categories...definitions...whatever
Date: 16 Feb 1997 11:43:14 -0600 (CST)

AFX and Orbital, from what I have heard (a lot from Orbital, only one song
from Aphex Twin :/ ) they have similar styles(ambient, soundscape), but
they do sound different. Thank you for the resource list.

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Mark S-D wrote:

> In message <Pine.LNX.3.95.970215160857.20423A-100000@shamu>, Reality
> <[e-mail]> writes
> >> >That's not true, I introduced Orbital to a musically diverse friend, and
> >> >he says that it sounds like they were heavily influenced by "Aphex Twin".
> >On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Mark S-D wrote:>
> >I think Orbital would disagree though, show your friend some interviews!
> >I don't have any interviews. :(
> You would agree that AFX and Orbital do sound quite different though
> don't you think ?! Anyway, if you have access to the web here are some
> pointers to some excellent things put together by other people including
> some pages with interviews and suchlike. It's impossible to work out
> what all their influences are but you can pick up a lot of stuff, as
> always read between the lines...who said what, a lot of it is opinion.
>
> http://www.rise.co.uk/orbital                     (Official site)
> http://www.cableinet.co.uk/users/BaDmUtHa         (Steve "Loopz" Price)
> http://www.cybercity.hko.net/birminham/loopz      (Loopz)
> http://members.aol.com/orbital101/band.html       (Interviews, I think?)
> http://www.iuma.com/seconds/html/issue29/Orbital  (Stopped clock?)
> http://www.jorsm.com/~digger/orbital.htm          (Digger's site)
> http://www.dotmusic.co.uk/MWtalentorbital.html    (forgotton, ooops)
> http://hyperreal.com:2000/1/music/artists/orbital
> http://www2.infoseek.com/Titles?qt=ORBITAL
> http://www.swcp.com/lazlo-bin/discogs             (Lazlo's discography)
>
> These are the ones I have bookmarked in the order that I came to them,
> by no means all of them I'm sure and if anybody knows of any others I'd
> love to know them. I hope nobody minds me putting them in a list like
> this, I mean no harm ! E-Mail me privatley if this is of no use to you.
> (I posted to the list as I thought it might be of help to some people.)
> --
> |  \/  |  ____|     \
> |      |____  |  ;)  )
> |  \/  |      |     /      [e-mail]
>


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From: Bisson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital live vs. ''Satan-Live''
Date: 16 Feb 1997 20:46:15 +0000

>
>Hi there..
>
>Some days ago I bought the triple cd-set of "Satan - Live". Although
>the songs are good, the choice is excellent and they sound pretty good
>I'm a bit disappointed, 'cause they don't really catch the live
>atmosphere. I saw them here in Hamburg on 'Kampnagel' and they kicked
>ass!! (It was a seated location, but after two songs 3/4 of the crowd
>stood up and danced in front of the band. Amazing....) Perhaps it would
>have been better if the sound of the crowd would be louder, I don't
>know....
>Does anyone have the same opinion???

I do have to agree, personally I think Satan work best played live ( the
same goes for Choice actually) Somehow if you dont have four VERY big
televisions playing assorted video clips it doesnt feel the same :-)

Bissonnet

[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: questions.. comments..
Date: 17 Feb 1997 00:27:43 GMT


>> OK, chem bros, prodge and underworld are all the hyped up, popular
>> bands, stay away from them.
>
>Perhaps you wouldn't say that if they weren't hyped...I don't know...
>A lot of people talk like you................
>I like them. They simply make good music. That's it!! (No more comment)

well, if they weren't hyped I wouldn't say they were. However I think
that since Jilted, Prodigy have gone crap - Jilted wasn't brilliant
either, Experience is wicked.
Underworld - haven't heard much really but they are nothing special at
all, I think my main reason for not being interested in them is that
hey are trying to cash in on old stuff, Born Slippy being re-released,
OK, but re-releasing Pearl's Girl within months (at most a year, can't
remember off hand) of it's initial release?
I also liked the Chems but after buying the album I quickly bored of
it, it's just not interesting anymore, and Setting Sun was without a
doubt one of the worst choons of last year.

>> You might also want to try Mu-Ziq "Bluff Limbo" - actually, I would > =
strongly recommend that as well.
>
>Yep. That's really a great album. Especially the song "Hector's House"
>rules! I would also go for Mu-ziq's "Tango 'n' Vectif". Astonishing
>album!

well I haven't been able to track down Tango N'Vectif myself but i've
heard a few bits from it and it sounds great.

take it easy
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From: "Dave" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: questions.. comments..
Date: 16 Feb 1997 23:04:44 -0500

I agree the Chems are boring.  Too media friendly (it's only rock and
roll).  I'm liking some more drum n' bass, quicker beats.  It's hard to
look back, but I do very much dig atmosphere like Orbital, especially
"Insides".

DL

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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: winx!!!!
Date: 16 Feb 1997 21:20:19 -0700

ok... we've been on the subject of other techno stoff......

        josh wink's "Left Above The Clouds" just rips all over!
(except orbital of course ;)  )

i just bought it, along w/ Underworld's "dubnobass..."   undie-werld is
so-so... but this just kicks all ass!!!!  28 tracks of tweeked funky rockin
music!

    only $14.95 at a store near you!!!!



        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 16 Feb 1997 23:21:41 -0800

At 12:13 PM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The sample of "What's wrong? (female voice)" is from Star Wars...go see it in
>the theatre for yourselves if you don't think so!!!  It's there...the scene
>where strolls away from Han Solo in the hangar before the attack on the Death
>Star.
>peachy huh?
>
>jamie

                I still disagree, go rent THX1138, in the beginning of the
movie you will see a scene of men watching television screens of people
opening there medicine cabinets and you will hear the sound of the voice I
am referring to.  I think you all are just into Star Wars too much to think
it could be anything else......
        \ \ | / /
        (o  o)
---------------------o00o--( )--o00o-----------------------
    ETX,

    Trent See

Occassionally, I can be found wandering around in
Worlds Chat as user "Trent".


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 17 Feb 1997 04:12:29 -0500 (EST)

the sample is in fact from THX1138. same director, wrong film. hmmm.. maybe
Lucas used te sound byte as a clever way of tying his movies together... oh
well what difference does it make.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Winx
Date: 17 Feb 1997 05:06:34 -0500 (EST)

The Josh wink CD of Left Above the Clouds is so damn old.  I have number 4
"don't laugh" song on a DJ's tape from like 4 years ago.  You have to get
with the new things man.  Sorry to hear that you just experienced it now.

Peace

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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: More On Rebirth--->
Date: 17 Feb 1997 07:52:47 -0500

According to my Tech Supervisor this is what is good:
>Star
>The propellerhead stuff is basically tools for midi composition - I'm not
>familiar with the Rebirth program, but it seems to emulate vintage synth
>sounds in software, and provide a way to record/sequence them in some kind
>of proprietary sequencing program.  I'd suggest downloading their demo and
>reading the doc file to see all of its capabilities.  In fact, it's a good
>idea not to spend the money on any of these types of programs until after
>you've tried their demos.
>
>Steinberg has sequencing and wave editing programs for the mac and the pc
>that are more conventional - more professionally oriented.  TDM(Time
>Division Multiplexing) is a standard for "plug-in" software signal
>processing algorithms in Digidesign ProTools digital editing workstations.
>This is the professional studio standard in digital wavestations, with
>setups ranging in cost from around $10,000 to $100,000, depending on # of
>inputs/outputs, signal processing capability....  TDM programs only
>function in ProTools systems.  (ProTools is a mac-based system, but
>requires lots of expansion cards and interfaces - so not a laptop system)
>
>Here are websites for two magazines I subscribe to that should help add to
>your knowledge of computer-assisted music production and recording:
>     http://www.magamall.com:80/magazine/47104/Electronic_Musician.htm
>     http://www.keyboardmag.com/editdesk/current/curriss.html
>
>Hope this helps!  Stay in touch and let me know how you're making out with
>all this.  Later.

Don't you just love what the military spends their money on?



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: T-shirts, hats, etc.
Date: 17 Feb 1997 13:02:20 +0000

At 16:16 13/02/98 -0800, Lindsey M wrote:
>Anthony Agee wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody know of a place which sells t-shirts and other clothing for
>> groups like Orbital, Autechre and the like?  I want a WARP Records shirt
>> too......
>
>Yeah! If you go to Orbital's official site they sell lotsa stuff!!!
>...but that doesnt quite work too well if you live in the US :(
>
And even if you're in the UK, the website doesn't seem to have a very
comprehensive selection. The shirt I bought in HMV the other day isn't on
there. Also I don't like all this skinny fit business that's "in" nowadays,
why don't they think about us overeaters/underexercisers?!

Jon (too lazy by half)


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
Date: 17 Feb 1997 13:22:09 +0000

At 11:20 15/02/97 GMT, [e-mail] wrote:
>
>>And it doesn't help when they insist on re-releasing everything with modern
>>day cheesy remixes. I mean 'On a ragga tip' sounded fine back then, but the
>>new mixes I've heard are absolutely awful.
>
>OY!! GREEN!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
>Slipmatt's remix of On A Ragga Tip is wicked, OK the Goodfello's rmx
>and F&S rmxs are crap.

I assume Slipmatt's is the hardcore one? My brother played me it a few
months back and I wasn't impressed. I just don't like hardcore, that's all.
Too fast and it all sounds the same to me (maybe I'm just getting old... I
sound like my parents!).

>Comparing the hardcore scene with the commercial dance scene is a very
>silly thing to do indeed.

Point taken, I'm not really slagging the scene, just saying I don't like the
music (sorry!).

(ps. Mr Dead is the best Harry Enfield sketch)

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: questions.. comments..
Date: 17 Feb 1997 13:40:26 +0000

At 02:55 16/02/97 +0100, A. Drobbner wrote:
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>>
>> OK, chem bros, prodge and underworld are all the hyped up, popular
>> bands, stay away from them.
>
>Perhaps you wouldn't say that if they weren't hyped...I don't know...
>A lot of people talk like you................
>I like them. They simply make good music. That's it!! (No more comment)

To me it sounds like the Chems and Prod make 'beats' music, ie the beat
matters over the sounds or the melody, which tends to make the music more
popular in the short term but not as long lived as Orbital have been (and
will continue to be). Then again, The Prodigy have been around almost as
long as Orbital, and people said they wouldn't last in '91: they were wrong
so who says I won't be? Music for the jilted generation is a great album
though, esp. the last three tracks. Underworld on the other hand are beyond
the hype. They still make great music, and have done for long enough. Just
because NUXX was overrated and overhyped doesn't make the rest of their
output bad. I'll stop now before I get onto an Underworld rant (again).
>
>> You might also want to try Mu-Ziq "Bluff Limbo" - actually, I would >
strongly recommend that as well.
>
>Yep. That's really a great album. Especially the song "Hector's House"
>rules! I would also go for Mu-ziq's "Tango 'n' Vectif". Astonishing
>album!

I like 'Phi*1700[U/V]' on In order to dance 5, and 'Roy Castle' on TEX3, and
the Jake Slazenger CD 'Nautilus' is nice too. I'm a bit wary of Mike
Paradinas as I've heard a lot about his quality control being a bit suspect
(like Aphex).



Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Tim Gunning <[e-mail]>
Subject: Party for the planet
Date: 17 Feb 1997 15:24:45 GMT

Sorry if yoy have seen this already but I think I was removed from the list
or something. Anyhow I have not been getting any mesages so I have re joined
and would like to post this again. Cheers.


Hello everyone,
        I am in the process of organising a party to raise money for the Centre
for Alternative Technology  (CAT) in Wales (www.foe.co.uk/CAT/ ). I want to
hold the party before May 1st in Birmingham.
Ideally I want to get the whole thing put on for free so that all the money
from the punters can go to CAT.
I see this as an excellent way of partying to save the planet. Having a good
time but at the same time giving something back, helping to create a future
that can last, without destroying the planet we live on.

I have been to a fair few parties and helped out at several. I would like to
give something back, to say thankyou for the good times I have had, to
create a good time for all but at the same time to do something worthwhile,
to try and help the world in some small way. I am asking for your help.

If you have any suggestions offers of help, criticisms, contacts, comments,
are in a band and would like to play, lend equipment, know a venue, can DJ,
anything at all then please contact me at :-

[e-mail]

Peace and Love,
Tim


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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: please disregard.. this is a test
Date: 17 Feb 1997 10:09:13 -0600

this is a test.. please disregard

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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: i've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 17 Feb 1997 10:31:19 -0600

hi.. i've been sending messages to the list, but none have been getting
there (for technical reasons that i have since worked out).. so i am
going to send a message detailing my combined thoughts on what has been
going on here lately..  to everyone who has been saying "dont listen to
<instert band name>, they're popular", that attitude is killing music..
stop being to elitist.. if you aren't going to listen to a group, do it
because you dont like the music they make, not because millions of
people already listen to them.. i mean, i dont listen to Yani because i
can't stand his music, not because he's an international sensation.. i
think the chem bros and underworld (and yes, even prodigy [at times])
make good music.. so what if the music industry is dropping it's dying
child Alternative and rearing it's ugly head at electronic music.. who
cares.. as long as groups continue to put out ground-breaking stuff,
it's cool..  it's going to get commercialized.. everything eventually
get's commercialized.. but if you stop listening to bands because they
get popular, pretty soon you're going to be listening to Billy-Bob's
Banjo Solos just because no-one else does.. i get a funny feeling that
half the people on this list would drop orbital in a heartbeat if they
went commercial.. (or the listener's perception of commercial)..

                aaron

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
                                                        -- Arthur C.
Clarke

Any opinions expressed in this message are mine and mine alone.
They do not reflect the opinions of the Digital Design Company in
any way, shape or form.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: umml-request
Date: 17 Feb 1997 13:14:18 -0500 (EST)

I'm most interested in "electronica" suff, but send me the whole list.
 Thanks much.

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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Winx comment from AOHell user, plus a hint of Orbital
Date: 17 Feb 1997 11:12:24 -0700

hey! be kind my friend....  stuff is hard to find where im from....  i have
to beg and trade to get any decent stuff......     so please bare w/ me...
plus, why go with all of the new stuf?  most of it is crap....  *



* - sorry for the above message everyone... ignorant people make me pissy...

    Orbital vid related, people have been asking me to make copies of
the AMP tape i compiled...  1) you can just watch the show, if you have
cable... 2) i cant afford to send all of you tapes...  postage is too
burl...   if i could afford it, i would send each of you tape, but you can
get cable (for those in the US) and watch the dang thing...  it was a first
come first serve type a deal, sorry to sound like a pecker, but the first
people have already asked and the tapes are on their way...

ugh... this message sucked big.......






        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Moby / Ep lists ?
Date: 17 Feb 1997 20:37:35 GMT

All and Mick (of course!)

>Not passionate? nice background music? There are a couple of tracks
>that could be used as background music,Belfast is one that comes to mind,
>but saying Orbital's music lacks passion?
>I think Moby should get out more, maybe i'll send him a Satan live ep.

Moby slagged them off for being "boring live" and said "they dont move
around enough". When will he learn.

>Steve you could put this to P&P when you next speak with them for some
>intial response and put it in your 'Zine :)

Certainly can...ill stick it along with them questions you sent.
Sure...they will love to discuss this one.

>>and steve's all time fave's the Spice Girls ;) moved upto number 1 .

Yum Yum!
Ill tell u a fact about Spice Girls and Orbital. The Spice Tarts recorded
the whole of the album (vocal that is) at The Strongroom (next door to
P&Ps joint). P&P used to spend their dinner times watching Neighbours with
them... Sad or what? :)

Also someone asked about Eps...lists etc...check my site out. EP list with
factual stuff about them (few comments from p&p). And to the other
compilers DONT U F&^$ING DARE STEAL MY QUOTES. Ahem
:)
<BFG>

Cheers

Steve LOOPZ Price
http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/

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From: "neil lawrence" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tribal Gathering '97
Date: 16 Feb 1997 20:19:05 -0000

OK, who's ordered their tickets for the Tribal Gathering? I can't believe
that Kraftwerk and Orbital are both going to be on.

Is anyone interested in meeting up?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: umml-request
Date: 17 Feb 1997 19:43:09 -0500 (EST)

Me too......send  me the list

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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Winx
Date: 17 Feb 1997 18:50:34 -0600

> The Josh wink CD of Left Above the Clouds is so damn old.  I have number
4
> "don't laugh" song on a DJ's tape from like 4 years ago.  You have to get
> with the new things man.  Sorry to hear that you just experienced it now.


Oh boy.  Do we even need to comment on this?  So, in this vein of thought,
classical composers must REALLY suck, eh?  C'mon, man....get with it.

The album itself is very new.  Songs off of it might be old.

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From: Duncan Price <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tribal Gathering '97
Date: 17 Feb 1997 20:14:25 -0500

Where and when will the Tribe be gathering?

I'll cross the ocean for a good beat...

Duncan
Chapel Thrill, NC



At 08:19 PM 2/16/97 -0000, you wrote:
>OK, who's ordered their tickets for the Tribal Gathering? I can't believe
>that Kraftwerk and Orbital are both going to be on.
>
>Is anyone interested in meeting up?
>


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From: [e-mail] (Layne Staley)
Subject: Re: i've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 17 Feb 1997 22:16:49 -0500 (EST)

[e-mail] (Aaron Murray) said something to the extent of:

> going on here lately..  to everyone who has been saying "dont listen to
> <instert band name>, they're popular", that attitude is killing musi
> stop being to elitist.. if you aren't going to listen to a group,
> do it because you dont like the music they make, not because
> millions of people already listen to them.. i mean, i dont listen


i think for the most part many of us dont dislike a band _because_
they are popular and commercialized, but tend not to like such
bands becaues they are often choked with greed and dont write their
music for the music. they often write it to make money, and when they
do that, it loses that certain something that makes it good.

most of the alternative scene is a great example of this. in 91-93,
alternative was neat because people really did it for the music, in
most cases. it was a breath of fresh air and everyone enjoyed being
able to be free to make whatever kind of music they wanted to, but
now its turned into a pile of money making, dirty, baggage. most of
the alternative bands out started so that they could become popular
and are only in it for the money. almost all of them are no good.
this is why i sometimes reject popular music. i like nine inch nails,
and trent is very popular. i honestly think he is an extremely
talented musician.

anyway, ive beat my point to death already.

--
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not
certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
                -- Albert Einstein

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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: More Moby stoff...
Date: 17 Feb 1997 20:43:01 -0700

just curious steve, do the bros know about the crude comment made by Moby
D!ck? (sorry for the crude comment.. but it was coming to him!)
they're boring live cuz they dont move? HA!!! never seen them live, but
they're not Nirvana or New Kids On The Block, why should they move? every
person who has saw them live that ive talked to sais that it was the best
show they've ever seen...  not one person said they were boring... geesh!
i thinks Mr. Moby is a wee bit jealous of the bros talent...   nuf
ranting.. im done...





        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish



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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tribal 97
Date: 17 Feb 1997 22:51:09 -0600

When is it?  I wouldn't mind shelling out some bread to cross the Atlantic
either.


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From: Greg Liu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A request for an Orbital video. ..Gimme !
Date: 18 Feb 1997 02:16:38 -0800 (PST)

A friend of mine saw a WARP show in NY at the beginning of the year and
the infamous Richard James was there spinning all night and then at around
6 am, he started to play a set of his own stuff.  I don't know if this was
a one time thing but I have been looking for it out here in CA since
then...if anybody knows of any more WARP tour, please inform.  Supposedly,
Squarepusher was there too, which would have been absolutely amazing.

Greg

On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, fulya okurer wrote:

> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Mark S-D wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering how popular they are in the USA now after the tour and
> > > the vids on Amp....has Satan got into the US charts ? What did the
> > > magazines over there make of the recent tour ?
> >
> >     Well, it's only been about 2 1/2 months since I saw them -- but
> > there would appear to be no rise by them on the charts.  In fact, I
> > seriously doubt there would be, especially since the tour is over.  I
> > don't receive many magazines, but the few I do get make no mention of
> > them at all.  There did seem to be a marked decrease of available
> > In-Sides albums at Tower Records though ...
> >
> >     By the way, maybe somebody can help me with this.  I've heard
> > that Aphex Twin may go on tour to support his album -- is this true?  If
> > not, sorry for wasting your time.
> >
> > James
> >
>
>    Somebody PLEASE let me know if (or when) Aphex Twin or Orbital are coming
> to the New York tri-state area!!! I'm leaving to Ankara in the middle of May
> and I REALLY wanna see them instead of missing them.
>
> Fulya
>


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From: "R.Hardacre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tribal 97
Date: 18 Feb 1997 13:52:16 +0000 (GMT)

tribey gathery is on MAY 24th
@
luton hoo estate in luton

groovy

RiC!




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From: Daniel Kasaj <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sniv. CD offer
Date: 18 Feb 1997 15:50:42 +0100 (MET)

Hey guys... I don't have much time to read the mail as I used to...and I've
been fratically reading random messages, just to keep up with ya all :)

The reason I'm mailing...I've got an extra Sinivilization CD on me, and I
thought if anyone's interested...I'd like to sell.
I'd be willing to trade,too.

Mail me personally, keep it off the list.

--

   Daniel Kasaj - [e-mail]    URL: http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~leqash
  Home : Borovje 8, Zagreb, CROATIA                    phone - [phone]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: as far as commercialism goes
Date: 18 Feb 1997 15:25:03 GMT


>I assume Slipmatt's is the hardcore one? My brother played me it a few
>months back and I wasn't impressed. I just don't like hardcore, that's =
all.
>Too fast and it all sounds the same to me (maybe I'm just getting old...=
 I
>sound like my parents!).

there's two hardcore remixes, one by Force & Styles which is crap and
one by Slipmatt. The original version on On A Ragga Tip was by SL2
which was two people: DJ Slipmatt and DJ Lime. Now the hardcore scene
has changed totally from when it started, the original version isn't
really hardcore anymore, even then, hardcore was not really known as
hardcore. Slipmatt's remix is basically bringing the choon up to date.
It's easy to see why you think  that hardcore all sounds the same
nowadays, really a lot of it does and it's all the cheesy stuff - it's
noly the speed of the music that keeps it hardcore nowadays, which is
a shame, but the quality producers: Slipmatt, DJ Vibes, Sy, Seduction
and plenty others are still producing quality material.

Hopefully the music will go back to being what it used to be like,
rather than the cheesy rubbish a lot of it is now, this is what all
the top DJs want - for the music to go back to breakbeats and back
down to about 165bpm rather than the 180bpm it is now.

slightly off topic, well, very off topic...but who cares? I don't!! ;)

take it easy

  _________________  ______  ___________   ___
 |          /      \|      \|      \    | |   |
 |__     __|        |       |       |   |_|   |
    |   |  |        |       |       |\_     _/
    |   |  |        |       |       |  |   |
    |___|   \______/|______/|______/   |___|

                             =20
     =20

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: questions.. comments..
Date: 18 Feb 1997 15:25:57 GMT


>I like 'Phi*1700[U/V]' on In order to dance 5, and 'Roy Castle' on TEX3,=
 and
>the Jake Slazenger CD 'Nautilus' is nice too. I'm a bit wary of Mike
>Paradinas as I've heard a lot about his quality control being a bit =
suspect
>(like Aphex).

no worries, the descriptions make the music sound awful but in fact it
is great. Try Bluff Limbo - you'll love it.
  _________________  ______  ___________   ___
 |          /      \|      \|      \    | |   |
 |__     __|        |       |       |   |_|   |
    |   |  |        |       |       |\_     _/
    |   |  |        |       |       |  |   |
    |___|   \______/|______/|______/   |___|

                             =20
     =20

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From: "S.PAEZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: questions.. comments..
Date: 18 Feb 1997 16:36:04 +0000

Er....ExSqueeze Me?
What the fuck was that message about? Roy Castle, etc?

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From: Aimee Merritt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What's wrong? -Reply
Date: 18 Feb 1997 08:41:25 -0800

There are two different voices saying "What's Wrong?" in the song. The
first comes at the beginning and it is a man's voice-- that is from THX
1138. The second voice which comes about halfway through the track is
a female voice. Now, it's been a few years since I've seen THX 1138 but
I don't recall a female voice coming from the mirror. I saw Star Wars
again two weeks ago and the Princess Leia bit did sound a hell of a lot
like the sample in question.

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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tribal 97
Date: 18 Feb 1997 12:46:00 -0500 (EST)

Tribal Gathering 97 will run from 12 noonish to 12 noonish on
Saturday May 24 and Sunday May 25 (Bank Holiday weekend -
Hoorah!)

The ticket number for you Yanks is either: 00 44 171 344 0044
OR: 00 44 500 004 (this 2nd number is a "low-cost" one I think,
so may not work from overseas) . Tickets are priced at 40 UKP
each, which includes a rather hefty 5 UKP fee PER TICKET (!),
and I reckon the whole show will be sold out by the end of this
month, so get weaving.

Ed



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From: "S.PAEZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tribal 97
Date: 18 Feb 1997 17:15:49 +0000

Hi Ed.
Just received a rather, erm, ODD message about TG97. Iwould like to
inform you that even though I appreciate you being er, cool and
letting our brothers and sisters  know about TG, I am NOT, I repeat
NOT bloody American!
Bye from Suse the Fuse

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From: "J. Callaghan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ambient + glasto
Date: 18 Feb 1997 17:27:32 +0000

Hi,

Im new to the list so i don't know if this is totally off beat but can
anyone recomend some abient/trance stuff along the lines of Orbital/Northern
exposure/FSOL etc.. which i have already.

Does anyone know the rumoured lineup for Glasto and when it will take place?
Ive heard that the official lineup won't be anounced until 3 days before the
event...

One more thing, does anyone know if orbital plan to play in ireland in the
foreseeable future?





A Manchester United is for life, not just for christmas.
[e-mail]

If tomorrow was today, it would be yesterday.


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From: "R.Hardacre" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tribal Gathering '97
Date: 18 Feb 1997 12:25:50 +0000 (GMT)

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, neil lawrence wrote:

> OK, who's ordered their tickets for the Tribal Gathering? I can't believe
> that Kraftwerk and Orbital are both going to be on.
>
> Is anyone interested in meeting up?
>


not ordered yet, but will be V.soon
(this lunch time probably)

if anyone want's to meet me i'll probably be asleep
in the hectic aclectic tent

(i was last year for a good few hours, sad bastard)

RiC!


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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A request for an Orbital video. ..Gimme !
Date: 18 Feb 1997 14:28:20 -0600

> A friend of mine saw a WARP show in NY at the beginning of the year and
> the infamous Richard James was there spinning all night and then at
around
> 6 am, he started to play a set of his own stuff.

Aphex doubles as a DJ?  I wonder how many other musicians are DJs as well.
Thank God Orbital aren't.  Too tacky.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: umml-request
Date: 17 Feb 1997 19:43:09 -0500 (EST)

Me too......send  me the list


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: i've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 17 Feb 1997 22:16:49 -0500 (EST)

[e-mail] (Aaron Murray) said something to the extent of:

> going on here lately..  to everyone who has been saying "dont listen to
> <instert band name>, they're popular", that attitude is killing musi
> stop being to elitist.. if you aren't going to listen to a group,
> do it because you dont like the music they make, not because
> millions of people already listen to them.. i mean, i dont listen


i think for the most part many of us dont dislike a band _because_
they are popular and commercialized, but tend not to like such
bands becaues they are often choked with greed and dont write their
music for the music. they often write it to make money, and when they
do that, it loses that certain something that makes it good.

most of the alternative scene is a great example of this. in 91-93,
alternative was neat because people really did it for the music, in
most cases. it was a breath of fresh air and everyone enjoyed being
able to be free to make whatever kind of music they wanted to, but
now its turned into a pile of money making, dirty, baggage. most of
the alternative bands out started so that they could become popular
and are only in it for the money. almost all of them are no good.
this is why i sometimes reject popular music. i like nine inch nails,
and trent is very popular. i honestly think he is an extremely
talented musician.

anyway, ive beat my point to death already.

--
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not
certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
                -- Albert Einstein


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: [e-mail]
Subject: More Moby stoff...
Date: 17 Feb 1997 20:43:01 -0700

just curious steve, do the bros know about the crude comment made by Moby
D!ck? (sorry for the crude comment.. but it was coming to him!)
they're boring live cuz they dont move? HA!!! never seen them live, but
they're not Nirvana or New Kids On The Block, why should they move? every
person who has saw them live that ive talked to sais that it was the best
show they've ever seen...  not one person said they were boring... geesh!
i thinks Mr. Moby is a wee bit jealous of the bros talent...   nuf
ranting.. im done...





        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

http://www.interwerks.com        http://www.chs.lane.edu/~chrish




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Tribal 97
Date: 17 Feb 1997 22:51:09 -0600

When is it?  I wouldn't mind shelling out some bread to cross the Atlantic
either.



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From: "earthling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: the brothers?
Date: 18 Feb 1997 22:11:26 -0500

ummm does anyone know of the new obital cd coming out? i heard that they
might be releasing a b-sides cd ( limited offer though) but it's just a
roomer!!!!

earthling

((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
(( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: T-shirts, hats, etc.
Date: 17 Feb 1997 13:18:36 -0500 (EST)

suck my peenis
tell some one who cares

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From: "earthling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: T-shirts, hats, etc.
Date: 18 Feb 1997 23:31:29 -0500

the beat kicks in...

----------
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: T-shirts, hats, etc.
> Date: Monday, February 17, 1997 1:18 PM
>
> suck my peenis
> tell some one who cares

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From: "S.PAEZ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Tribal Gathering '97
Date: 19 Feb 1997 11:27:50 +0000

Did you say that Orbital will be playing TG????
i thoght that Universe hadn't released the names of who would be
playing....

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From: Dark Train <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Winx
Date: 18 Feb 1997 12:15:49 -0600 (CST)



On Mon, 17 Feb 1997, Anthony Agee wrote:

> > The Josh wink CD of Left Above the Clouds is so damn old.  I have number
> 4
> > "don't laugh" song on a DJ's tape from like 4 years ago.  You have to get
> > with the new things man.  Sorry to hear that you just experienced it now.
>
>
> Oh boy.  Do we even need to comment on this?  So, in this vein of thought,
> classical composers must REALLY suck, eh?  C'mon, man....get with it.
>
How's about that Baroque turn on The Box?  Gee, if ever anything was old
(and thus merits unpopularity by the cranially challenged) this would fit
the bill.  Open up!  Just because something is a little behind the
"technological" times doesn't mean anyone should be derided for listening
to it.  Pardon me, but I still find Analogue Bubblebath one of the
greatest albums ever, and it's 6 years old now.

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From: "Grandmaster Mellie Mel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: New orbital CD
Date: 19 Feb 1997 14:34:36 -0000

I have read in a certain newspaper that the new Orbital CD will be out in
April
and it's actually the theme tune to a new film version of 'The Saint' so it
should
be interesting. Meanwhile the new album is under construction.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Tribal Gathering '97
Date: 19 Feb 1997 15:45:16 GMT


>> OK, who's ordered their tickets for the Tribal Gathering? I can't =
believe
>> that Kraftwerk and Orbital are both going to be on.

haven't got ticket yet.=20

>> Is anyone interested in meeting up?

if you like, but I'll most probably be meeting loads of people from
the hardcore list as well, and will be spending most of my time in the
hardcore tents, coz I like it fast to dance to ALL day and ALL night.
But even the top h/core DJs are not gonna drag me away from Orbital.

take it easy
  _________________  ______  ___________   ___
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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: A request for an Orbital video. ..Gimme !
Date: 19 Feb 1997 09:53:07 -0600


> > A friend of mine saw a WARP show in NY at the beginning of the year
> and
> > the infamous Richard James was there spinning all night and then at
> around
> > 6 am, he started to play a set of his own stuff.
>
> Aphex doubles as a DJ?  I wonder how many other musicians are DJs as
> well.
> Thank God Orbital aren't.  Too tacky.
>
oh, but when you hear a DJ who knows what he's doing (not only in
actually spinning the vinyl, but buying the right stuff as well) it's
incredible..  a friend of mine just bought 2 Technics 1200 turntables
and a Gemini digital sampler to play as module between them.. he rocks
the house (yuck yuck).. but really, he is very good, and it's a lot of
fun too..

                aaron


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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: T-shirts, hats, etc.
Date: 19 Feb 1997 09:55:56 -0600


> suck my peenis
> tell some one who cares
>
wow.. and here i thought AOL users had grown up..


                aaron


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From: "earthling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: orbital rule?
Date: 19 Feb 1997 23:10:49 -0500

hahahahahaha this guy that i know says that orbital are just biters of the
orb and the early crappy underworld!! hahahaha i kicked his ass!! does
anyonw know what underworld were called in the early days, before
underworld?

earthling

((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
(( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))



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From: Aleksandra Adamovic <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orbital rule?
Date: 20 Feb 1997 06:38:10 +0100 (MET)


On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, earthling wrote:

> hahahahahaha this guy that i know says that orbital are just biters of the
> orb and the early crappy underworld!! hahahaha i kicked his ass!! does
> anyonw know what underworld were called in the early days, before
> underworld?

  freur...underworld...


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From: "neil lawrence" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orbital rule?
Date: 20 Feb 1997 12:52:04 -0000

I have a feeling that Underworld were responsible for a tune called "Doot
Doot", and they went by the name of Frueur or something.

How times change

----------
> From: earthling <[e-mail]>
> To: orbital <[e-mail]>
> Subject: orbital rule?
> Date: 20 February 1997 04:10
>
> hahahahahaha this guy that i know says that orbital are just biters of
the
> orb and the early crappy underworld!! hahahaha i kicked his ass!! does
> anyonw know what underworld were called in the early days, before
> underworld?
>
> earthling
>
> ((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
> (( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))
>

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: underworld again
Date: 20 Feb 1997 13:34:19 +0000

At 06:38 20/02/97 +0100, Aleksandra Adamovic wrote:
>
>On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, earthling wrote:
>
>> hahahahahaha this guy that i know says that orbital are just biters of the
>> orb and the early crappy underworld!! hahahaha i kicked his ass!! does
>> anyonw know what underworld were called in the early days, before
>> underworld?
>
>  freur...underworld...

Dirty (precursor to Dirty Epic) and Bigmouth (a sort of prototype Dark and
Long) were released as Lemon Interupt.


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Harriet Alvin <[e-mail]>
Date: 20 Feb 1997 15:03:05 GMT








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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Going offline, sob!
Date: 20 Feb 1997 15:33:34 -0500

     Well, I'm changing jobs at the moment, so I'll have to banish myself
     to digest-land for a week or so.  Anyone who needs to contact me
     before I'm back with a brand-spanking new work email address can use
     my other address :

     [e-mail]

     until then, see ya!

     Sandy.

     [e-mail] is dead!!!!
     Long live the [e-mail]!!!!

     http://www.cyberia.ie/~stimpy/

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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: New orbital CD
Date: 20 Feb 1997 10:20:43 -0600



> To be exact, April 7th the single will be out
>
is that just a UK release, or a US release as well?

                aaron

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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: New orbital CD
Date: 20 Feb 1997 12:32:51 -0800

Aaron Murray[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:

> is that just a UK release, or a US release as well?

My money's on 'just a UK release'...

One question from me, will this be a single with just one song
on it or is it going to me more like "The Box"?  I think "The Box"
is the perfect single, all mixes sound different, all the tracks work
perfectly with each other, it all flows like one track, etc.

Shaun
--
. .  .   .    .     .      .       .      .     .    .   .  .


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: T-shirts, hats, etc.
Date: 20 Feb 1997 16:22:44 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-19 10:59:43 EST, you write:

<<  suck my peenis
 > tell some one who cares
 >
 wow.. and here i thought AOL users had grown up..
  >>
hey now...no need to judge us all from one neanderthal that can't even
spell......

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From: Ernesto Perez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: orbital rule?
Date: 20 Feb 1997 19:17:10 -0600

earthling wrote:
>
> hahahahahaha this guy that i know says that orbital are just biters of the
> orb and the early crappy underworld!! hahahaha i kicked his ass!! does
> anyonw know what underworld were called in the early days, before
> underworld?
>
> earthling
>
> ((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
> (( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))


believe it or not...UNDERWORLD. they played mostly "rock" stuff.

dj ernie

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From: Jon Romley <[e-mail]>
Subject: DJ Doubles
Date: 19 Feb 1997 22:01:31 -0800

Robert Miles is is also a DJ too. Though it's pretty stupid - he spins his
own stuff.

I mean come one, his music sucks in the first place. Actually I take that
back, his music is best played in an elevator, so you've gotta give it some
credit. But seriously, if you're gonna spin don't spin you own stuff.

I don't personnaly spin, but if I did spinning my own stuff is the last
thing I would think of. From a personal point of view spinning your own
stuff is a bit self centered. The one of the key elements of spinning is
the fact that it's not just 1 artist's music that you spin. It's a bunch of
different artists. Does the word variety mean anything?

Seriously, has anyone ever bought a mix CD that is just 15 trax by the SAME
artist? Hell, it's 'continuously mixed' now.... just crossfades and cuts is
what continuously mixed means to me.

Take Care
-Jon

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From: Jon Romley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Pete and Repeat
Date: 20 Feb 1997 17:54:45 -0800

Someone approached me one and said...

 "Jonathan, I challenge you to write a song that never repeats itself."

I replied simply

 "That's impossible. Well actually, it is totally possible, the track would
sound like complete shit though. It wouldn't be correct music form, you're
supposed to have a chorus, a coda, etc. Music is BASED on repitition!"


 For those of us who have the priveledge of having them (or ReBirth) think
about the MC-808 for a minute, or the MC-303, hell think about that stupid
Roland groovebox thing. My point is, these boxes are all based of one
thing- REPITITION!!!"

 Comments anyone?

-Jon

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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Pete and Repeat
Date: 20 Feb 1997 20:48:06 -0800

> "That's impossible. Well actually, it is totally possible, the track would
>sound like complete shit though. It wouldn't be correct music form, you're
>supposed to have a chorus, a coda, etc. Music is BASED on repitition!"
>
>
> For those of us who have the priveledge of having them (or ReBirth) think
>about the MC-808 for a minute, or the MC-303, hell think about that stupid
>Roland groovebox thing. My point is, these boxes are all based of one
>thing- REPITITION!!!"
>
> Comments anyone?

        Repitition is a good thing as long as the sound is good.  When the
sound is bad (such as your wife yelling at you), repitition is bad.  I agree
that you can't really get away from repitition...or rhythm in music and you
shouldn't.  If the music is without a particular rhythm, or sound of
reasoning as I say, then it tends to be like just one long sound, not really
a song.

        Is it just me or do we need more Orbital topics for the list.  How
about a topic that will not generate flame mail (c'mon, I know you can think
of one).

        For some fun, and for those in the US interested in purchasing
software for running sequencers, midi editors, etc. try this site:

        http://www.musician.com/index3.html

        \ \ | / /
        (o  o)
---------------------o00o--( )--o00o-----------------------
    ETX,

    Trent See

Occassionally, I can be found wandering around in
Worlds Chat as user "Trent".


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From: "Micah D. McConochie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: DJ Doubles
Date: 21 Feb 1997 03:39:17 -0500

repetition?? is that why you sent those messages twice?


i'm sure you've been flamed plenty now, so i'll just say:
.sig files should _never_ be longer than 6 lines....


annai

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From: "Micah D. McConochie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: DJ Doubles
Date: 21 Feb 1997 03:43:03 -0500

sorry orbital list......

meant to send only to him

*grovel*

annai

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Pete and Repeat
Date: 21 Feb 1997 04:58:07 -0500 (EST)

actually, even though most songs are written in this fashion, there are quite
a few that are not repetative. i am drawn to these groups for the fact that
they very unstructured. Download is one. Skinny Puppy is one as well. Sure,
they are not usually clumped into the "dance-trance" catagory, but it is
electronic music, and i am an admirer of all electronic music. Both these
bands share the same man. cEvin Key. He is a studio terrorist, who never
ceases to amaze me with his wizardry. just thought i'd share.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Pete and Repeat
Date: 21 Feb 1997 05:19:13 -0500 (EST)

* Warning. Lacking Orbital content. Skip at your discretion.

In a message dated 21/02/97  10:00:30, [e-mail] wrote:

"actually, even though most songs are written in this fashion, there are
quite
 a few that are not repetative. i am drawn to these groups for the fact that
 they very unstructured. Download is one. Skinny Puppy is one as well. Sure,
 they are not usually clumped into the "dance-trance" catagory, but it is
 electronic music, and i am an admirer of all electronic music. Both these
 bands share the same man. cEvin Key. He is a studio terrorist, who never
 ceases to amaze me with his wizardry. just thought i'd share."

Hasn't anybody else heard the mighty Autechre's 'Flutter' from the Anti EP?
Trailed specifically as beating the 'repetitive beats' clause in the CJB/A,
it manages to stutter all over the place but hang together with a rhythm as
melody and melody as rhythm. It is actually somewhat repetitive, but in a
wierd way.

 Funnily enough, it's also one of my favourite tracks. Make of that what you
will. Watch out for the new album 'Chiastic Slide', too. I've had the promo
for a few weeks and it's really quite nice; if anyone's interested I'll see
if I can write a quick review.

 Paul Mison. be careful. be very careful.
 http://members.aol.com/pmison/


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: DJ Doubles
Date: 21 Feb 1997 10:22:13 +0000

At 22:01 19/02/97 -0800, Jon Romley wrote:
>Robert Miles is is also a DJ too. Though it's pretty stupid - he spins his
>own stuff.
>
Isn't that part of the point of a DJ making their own tracks? That they are
made to fit into his or her DJ set? Though of course it is stupid for a DJ
just to play their own stuff (especially if it's Miles, whose tracks all
sound the same anyway). I don't spin either (so tell me to shut up if you
like ;-)), but I reckon if I did and I';d made something I was well pleased
with then I'd want to play it out.

And Trent, you're right, we could do with a bit more Orbital discussion, it
seems the list is quiet at the moment, maybe people are only interested in
Orbital mail (personally I like to discuss other stuff but I can see how
others might not). Not that I can think of an interesting thread.... Never mind.

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Pete and Repeat
Date: 21 Feb 1997 05:24:52 -0500 (EST)

oh yes. i forgot to mention Autechre. They do have a definate beat, but no
verse 1 or 2, or coda, but just plain electronic bliss. sorry i left them
out. and they have remarkable video's as well.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: DJ Doubles
Date: 21 Feb 1997 05:30:49 -0500 (EST)

i know that quote. what song is that from? atomic something. what was it?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: DJ Doubles
Date: 21 Feb 1997 05:39:15 -0500 (EST)

This quote?

"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
target was there pretty as a picture.
I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"

Coldcut's Atomic Moog 2000, recently (re?) released in the UK. Some of the
mixes seemed a bit ropey, but there was quite a bit for your money.

Paul. be careful.

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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: orbital rule?
Date: 21 Feb 1997 09:34:41 -0600


> believe it or not...UNDERWORLD. they played mostly "rock" stuff.
>
> dj ernie
>
actually, they were known as Freur before they called themselves
Underworld..

                aaron


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From: "Ravis1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Pete and Repeat
Date: 21 Feb 1997 09:29:53 -0600

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>
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would
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you're
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You need to check out Autechre.  Some of there shit almost never repeats,
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From: "Daniel Kasaj" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sniv or green?
Date: 21 Feb 1997 20:46:41 +0100

>
> I have In Sides and the Brown Album (which is the bulk of my
> techno/trance/ ambient/whatever collection). Now I need to know which of
> the remaining Orbital albums should I get next?
>
I'm not sure if you ment this to be private email (which it is) or you
wanted to post this to the list.
Anyway, Sniv is good, and green is good too.
Green's a bit simpler. More complicated tunes are on Sniv.
I don't really know, everything they do is perfect. I can't decide
between the two. I'd say - get 'em both! :)


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From: "Andrew Rowan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: VIP Drum'n'bass
Date: 21 Feb 1997 20:31:40 -0000

This is Un-Orbital- so now you know :)


>I saw 'em too, and just wasn't that impressed. I haven't really
>been impressed with any 'drum and bass' stuff that I've heard. It all
>sounds very contrived to me. Admittedly, they are better than the rest of
>the bunch, and it is decent music, I just don't see how it's all that
>wonderful..

AAhh! Are you crazy? Sorry, mate, didnt mean to offend you but I find this
quite remarkable.  Drum and Bass is THE most innovative, soulful music
form... possibly of all time. Seemingly immune from commercial greed, it
has risen from the bedroom synths of impoverished Britain to become a
beautiful synergey between jazz melodies, darkcore vibes and raw bass
energy. By drum and bass, I am refering to the new school of music from the
likes of LTJ Bukem and Good Lookin' Records, Metalheadz, Skycutter,
anything by Master Parkes, aka Photek. I mean have you heard some of this
shit?
It make Hardcore seem so incredibly archaeic and simplistic.

For once, there is more good music floating around the Underground and the
pirate radio collectives of Dublin than I can handle. I could just walk
into Outlaw Records (a great place to visit if you are in Dublin) and buy
out all their vinyl, and be assured of getting no cack at all. Maybe its
just what they're stocking, I dunno.

Hey, two outbursts in one day! (see The Prodigy)
BTW, I have no connection with the aforementioned music emporium, honest!

"Transform your language through a synergy between electronic culture and
the psychedelic imagination"

Andy



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From: "Andrew Rowan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Prodigy
Date: 21 Feb 1997 20:14:38 -0000

As I sit here listening to the sweet, spliffed-out grooves of '3 Kilos', I
am distressed at what I perceive as the slandering by certain people on the
List of a band that I have loved since their first release back in 1991.

Why is it certain people, (usually from Stateside), are very quick to
dismiss The Prodigy alongside certain acts of more dubious musical
backgrounds and motives?
Is it just a general snobishness towards the Prodigy owing to their
seemingly meteoric rise in the US, apparently, I gather, from the
teeny-bopper,fickle, mainstream element?
It is unfortunate that events have unfolded this way-(I heard Breathe on
MTV's Singled Out for fuck sake!), but this does in no way detract from The
Prodigy's excellent works.

Let me dispel any illusions you may have of The Prodigy being a 'sell out'
band. Indeed they are "mainstream", as that is the term given to bands
whose music sells as well as The Prodigy, but they maintain a solid disdain
for the soulless, money-driven Pop culture that is producing such dire
rubbish as features in the charts. Their repeated refusal to debase
themselves by appearing on Top of The Pops (something Orbital have been
guilty of, albeit with anti-Poll Tax t-shirts), and other such cack, even
in 1991 with 'Charly', shows this. Their turning towards a more "punk"
style with their latest releases is merley what Liam Howlett describes as
moving from stagnation : you cant keep producing the same material, over
and over. They have always been hyper-sensitive to this, through Rave's
decline and their groundbreaking cross-over album Music For the Jilted
Generation. For some arrogant wanker to then casually dismiss them, without
any knowledge of what they are, is not on.

This dismissing is quite surprising in the knowledge that many of us have
extremely similar tastes in music (most of the acts recommendied on the
list are ones that I know and love).
I feel that a strong similarity exists between them and Orbital : they
began producing music around the same era, during the illegal parties along
the the Rave stronghold that is London's M25 (The Orbital, if you've ever
wondered where the name is from), and, although stylistically different,
both have always produced excellent, original music, both have rockin live
shows.

And as for the personal jibes at Keith Flint: having met him on a street in
Dublin many years ago, he is a completley sound, sincere bloke, so PISS
OFF.  Sorry if this is offensive, or too long for you, but I dont mail
often, and I want to get this of my chest.


Charly says: "Transform your language through a synergy between electronic
culture and the psychedelic imagination"


Andy






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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Sniv or green?
Date: 21 Feb 1997 15:43:47 -0600 (CST)

If you are including all of their CD's, Diversions. If you mean just their
LP's, check out 1(Green). Choice is a choice song.

On Wed, 8 Jan 1997, Matt Gundlach wrote:

> I have In Sides and the Brown Album (which is the bulk of my
> techno/trance/ ambient/whatever collection). Now I need to know which of
> the remaining Orbital albums should I get next?
>
> The Other Matt
>


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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: The Prodigy
Date: 21 Feb 1997 17:08:26 -0600

> -------------------------------------------
> Charly says: "Transform your language through a synergy between
> electronic
> culture and the psychedelic imagination"
>
>
> Andy
>
>
wasn't that originally in a song by The Shamen called 'RE: Evolution"?
it's a badass track to trance out to.. it's on the Boss Drum CD..

                aaron




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From: "Ravis1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Prodigy -OFF TOPIC-
Date: 21 Feb 1997 20:26:49 -0600

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>
> As I sit here listening to the sweet, spliffed-out grooves of '3 Kilos',
I
> am distressed at what I perceive as the slandering by certain people on
the
> List of a band that I have loved since their first release back in 1991.

>
> Why is it certain people, (usually from Stateside), are very quick to
> dismiss The Prodigy alongside certain acts of more dubious musical
> backgrounds and motives?
> Is it just a general snobishness towards the Prodigy owing to their
> seemingly meteoric rise in the US, apparently, I gather, from the
> teeny-bopper,fickle, mainstream element?
> It is unfortunate that events have unfolded this way-(I heard Breathe on
> MTV's Singled Out for fuck sake!), but this does in no way detract from
The
> Prodigy's excellent works.
>

>
> -------------------------------------------
> Charly says: (shut up and)
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Following an off topic thread, I love The Prodigy's earlier releases.  I
don't find the new bad, just not so techno.  I won't give him the same
credit for _firesterter_ as say the seventh track on the white disk (I
always listen while driving and all music is categorized this way).  You
know "I'll take your brain to another dimension...".   That was killer
shit.  Also, I am and always have been stateside.
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From: jeff <[e-mail]>
Subject: re: the prodigy
Date: 21 Feb 1997 22:35:32 -0500

in regards to the prodigy not selling out...they will not appear on Top of
The Pops, but they appear on MTV? (i'm assuming (hoping) that mtv isn't as
shitty overeas as it is here) ...my post doesn't have a real purpose, i just
think this logic is a bit contradictory (feel free to now carry on w/
orbital related topics ;) )...

>Let me dispel any illusions you may have of The Prodigy being a 'sell out'
>band. Indeed they are "mainstream", as that is the term given to bands
>whose music sells as well as The Prodigy, but they maintain a solid disdain
>for the soulless, money-driven Pop culture that is producing such dire
>rubbish as features in the charts. Their repeated refusal to debase
>themselves by appearing on Top of The Pops (something Orbital have been
>guilty of, albeit with anti-Poll Tax t-shirts), and other such cack, even
>in 1991 with 'Charly', shows this.

-jeff


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From: "earthling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: hi
Date: 21 Feb 1997 23:19:30 -0500

in da house

((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
(( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))



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From: *jim briggs iii <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Prodigy -OFF TOPIC-
Date: 22 Feb 1997 00:27:48 -0500 (EST)

well, i too have been a prodigy fan since '91, stateside, and i have just
really lost respect for them: why? look: "intro" on MftJG says "i've
decided to take my work back underground - to stop it from falling into
the wrong hands" - and now with "firestarter" it has completely fallen
into the wrong hands and the prodigy are very far from underground... i
mean "firestarter" was released about a year ago and just now is it big in
the u.s. because now keith is the "lead singer" instead of the dancer he's
always been, and he's the "wild and crazy" empty-v icon... it's just a
stupid ploy to make money as far as i am concerned, and it has none of the
artistic integrity of jilted generation or experience, and is just really
not the techno i want from the prodigy... there's my five bucks or so...
*jim

    ***************"MTV makes me want to smoke crack" - Beck****************
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From: Digger <[e-mail]>
Subject: S..S...S....S.....Satan
Date: 22 Feb 1997 00:42:41 -0500

This has probably been asked about a bajillion times, but have the 3 SATAN
LIVE Singles been released in the US??
If not when are they supposed to be released??

Thanx!
Digger
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Autechre -- Chiastic Slide
Date: 22 Feb 1997 02:02:37 +0000

> Funnily enough, it's also one of my favourite tracks. Make of that what you
>will. Watch out for the new album 'Chiastic Slide', too. I've had the promo
>for a few weeks and it's really quite nice; if anyone's interested I'll see
>if I can write a quick review.

yes, please do.....Im dying to hear that thing after listening to Envane..
elliot


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The Prodigy
Date: 22 Feb 1997 04:24:29 -0500 (EST)

I agree on this  matter.

No this is not the return of MORPHEUS
C ya

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The Prodigy -OFF TOPIC-
Date: 22 Feb 1997 04:29:01 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-22 00:31:51 EST, you write:

<< well, i too have been a prodigy fan since '91, stateside, and i have just
 really lost respect for them: why? look: "intro" on MftJG says "i've
 decided to take my work back underground - to stop it from falling into
 the wrong hands" - and now with "firestarter" it has completely fallen
 into the wrong hands and the prodigy are very far from underground... i
 mean "firestarter" was released about a year ago and just now is it big in
 the u.s. because now keith is the "lead singer" instead of the dancer he's
 always been, and he's the "wild and crazy" empty-v icon... it's just a
 stupid ploy to make money as far as i am concerned, and it has none of the
 artistic integrity of jilted generation or experience, and is just really
 not the techno i want from the prodigy... there's my five bucks or so...
 *jim >>
I agree completely with this.  Prodigy have the talent, if only they would
use it.  Music for is, in my opinion, one of the best albums ever released.
 It was brilliant work.  Firestarter is good but is driving for ana
alternative kick.  I think that Keith should shut the fuck up and dance.

Morpheus

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: DJ Doubles
Date: 22 Feb 1997 09:53:22 GMT


>I don't personnaly spin, but if I did spinning my own stuff is the last
>thing I would think of. From a personal point of view spinning your own
>stuff is a bit self centered. The one of the key elements of spinning is
>the fact that it's not just 1 artist's music that you spin. It's a bunch=
 of
>different artists. Does the word variety mean anything?

most choons are made by DJs in the first place, it's a waste of time
making a record yourself if you're not going to spin it. If you think
that there's money to be made in creating music for selling only (in
the club/rave scene) then you are vastly mistaken.
DJs make their choons so they can play them in clubs or at raves, what
else are they supposed to make them for?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Sniv or green?
Date: 22 Feb 1997 09:54:35 GMT

err, well, Sniv is IMO in the same vein to In Sides, but more
experimental with the sound, so get green coz that's totally different
to both albums you currently have.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The Prodigy
Date: 22 Feb 1997 09:54:43 GMT

>As I sit here listening to the sweet, spliffed-out grooves of '3 Kilos',=
 I

that is their finest moment.

>am distressed at what I perceive as the slandering by certain people on =
the
>List of a band that I have loved since their first release back in 1991.=
 =20

I am one that slags off the prodigy nowadays - basically, I think that
the music they're coming up with now is shit.

>Why is it certain people, (usually from Stateside), are very quick to
>dismiss The Prodigy alongside certain acts of more dubious musical
>backgrounds and motives?

it's not that they're mainstream, it's just that nowadays, they can't
produce good music.

take it easy
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From: Tyron <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD
Date: 22 Feb 1997 12:10:10 -0100

Hi there!
Anyone of you guys got an idea where I can find the first album of
Orbital? I just can┤t get it in the shops. Could I probably order it at
the HP of Orbital?

Marc
--
Tyron of Hitmen (Domination Co-editor)

Hitmen Inet HQ: http://webserver.de/hitmen
European HQ - The Mystical Paradise: [phone]
World HG - The Dungeon: [phone]
Swedish HQ - Warez Aquarium: [phone]

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From: "Andrew Rowan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Prodigy -OFF TOPIC-
Date: 22 Feb 1997 14:47:25 -0000



----------
> From: *jim briggs iii <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: The Prodigy -OFF TOPIC-
> Date: 22 February 1997 05:27
>
> well, i too have been a prodigy fan since '91, stateside, and i have just
> really lost respect for them: why? look: "intro" on MftJG says "i've
> decided to take my work back underground - to stop it from falling into
> the wrong hands" - and now with "firestarter" it has completely fallen
> into the wrong hands and the prodigy are very far from underground... i
> mean "firestarter" was released about a year ago and just now is it big
in
> the u.s. because now keith is the "lead singer" instead of the dancer
he's
> always been, and he's the "wild and crazy" empty-v icon... it's just a
> stupid ploy to make money as far as i am concerned, and it has none of
the
> artistic integrity of jilted generation or experience, and is just really
> not the techno i want from the prodigy... there's my five bucks or so...
> *jim
>
Hey mate,
Look here, as Liam Howlett said -"the record's there, if you like it, buy
it, if you dont, then dont.."
How the hell is he to stop tossers in both Europe and America from buying
his records?

I dont profess to particularly like Firestarter,but it is no radical
departure from their earlier work in technical terms - in fact, the
breakbeat sounds distinctly rave-era, and as for Keith as "lead singer",
thats the product of the media's evil mind, I never heard so much as a
derrogatory squeak when Maxim did  vocals on Poison, coz its a brilliant
choon, so why all the fuss now?  For Breathe, just look to Their Law and
Voodoo People, guitars all the way through, and rockin breakbeats.

The Prodigy did not alter their style just for money, if Howlett had
compromised his genius for money then it would be very evident in their
tracks. Maybe its just a case of media-overkill.

The purpose of my original post was to dispel the notion that certain
people might have of The Prodigy being an act which has sprung up
overnight, with the goal of milking as much money as possible from saps.
Rather, they are a band whose quality music has carried them from their
underground roots and rave-scene background to considerable mainstream
success.
If you had never heard their music, and then see them taking off in the
States, you would be fairly close-minded to just dismiss them, due to their
overground success.  If that is the case, we would all have abandoned
Orbital after Brown, maybe, at the notion of their music receiving media
coverage -they are not a strictly underground act, the quality of their
music has pulled them to some mainstream recognition, much like the
Prodigy, but not to the same extent.

BTW, I'm not accusing fellow Listheadz in the States of having no knowledge
of the Prodigy, of course that would be ignorant of me. Just look to their
earlier works before passing judgement is all I ask - Experience is one of
my fave albums of all time. I'm not asking you to like their music, just
give them a little more respect in making your educated judgement.
Thanks


Andy




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From: Ernesto Perez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: the prodigy
Date: 22 Feb 1997 10:04:36 -0600

they just signed to madonna's label....

dj ernie

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Autechre -- Chiastic Slide
Date: 22 Feb 1997 16:07:11 GMT


>yes, please do.....Im dying to hear that thing after listening to =
Envane..
>elliot

soz for being slow on the uptake of Autechre, I've only heard 3 trax.
I bought Envane the other day and is Envane the name of the release
where laughing qyuarter and druan quarter are names of the choons, or
are the two "quaters" like, 2 different parts or 2 different versions
or mixes of the track called Envane?
I love the flipside, I'm still trying to make sense of the a side
though! I was rewinding it the other day and found that the melody is
in fact reversed (sorry if I'm going over old ground here) which is
why it sound so damn weird. I've also heard Anvil Vampre Second Peng
(would second peng be like the version name, as in laughing quarter?)
which I also like, can anyone recommend an album and 12"s in a similar
vein to this?

cheeaarrrzz
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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Envane
Date: 22 Feb 1997 15:24:49 -0600

Has Envane been released in the United States yet?  I cannot find it
anywhere.


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From: sean <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Envane
Date: 22 Feb 1997 17:43:59 -0500 (EST)

yes. this is excellent. got mine at othermusic in nyc. should be readily
available. i have seen much other autechre at suburban towers as well.
pick this up it is fully worth it.
sean


    accept less                expect more
                s......e......a......n


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Anthony Agee wrote:

> Has Envane been released in the United States yet?  I cannot find it
> anywhere.
>


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From: jen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: S..S...S....S.....Satan
Date: 22 Feb 1997 18:21:59 -0500 (EST)



=09=09=09=09yes.



^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^=
~^~^
=09Yes the world is the best place of all
=09=09=09=09=09      for a lot of such things as
=09   making the fun scene
=09=09=09=09  and making the love scene
    and making the sad scene
=09=09      and singing low songs and having inspirations
=09and walking around
=09=09=09  looking at everything
=09=09=09=09=09      and smelling flowers
=09and goosing statues
=09=09=09   and event thinking
=09=09=09=09=09    and kisssing people and
=09    making babies and wearing pants
=09=09=09=09=09  and waving hats and
=09=09=09      dancing
=09=09=09=09     and going swimming in rivers
=09=09     on picnics
=09=09=09  in the middle of the summer
=09    and just generally
=09=09=09   "living it up"
=09Yes
=09  but then right in the middle of it
=09=09=09=09=09comes the smiling
=09=09=09=09  mortician
=09=09=09
--- even more from #25 by Lawrence Ferlinghetti from "Pictures of the
Gone World", taken from City Lights Pocket Poets Anthology (the rest of the
poem will follow in further segments)
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^~^

On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Digger wrote:

> This has probably been asked about a bajillion times, but have the 3 SATA=
N
> LIVE Singles been released in the US??
> If not when are they supposed to be released??
>=20
> Thanx!
> Digger
> ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
>      This Message Comes To You Compliments Of DIGGER
>=20
> [e-mail]=09=09Http://www.jorsm.com/~digger
>=20
> =09=09     Thank You!!
> <img src=3D"http://www.jorsm.com/~digger/images/diggersig2.gif">=09
> =BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=
=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=
=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF=BF
>=20


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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Lush on AMP
Date: 23 Feb 1997 01:11:18 -0800

Hi everyone,

I just saw Lush on AMP tonight (Saturday) and it wasn't what
I expected at all.  I didn't know the whole video was at some
huge yard sale.  Well, if anyone wanted to tape it, it'll probably
be on this Friday at 2AM (It was the first video).

Does anyone know how long the video is?  They cut it off before
3-2 came in.. does the actual video end there (do they fade it out)
or does it continue?  I'm sure it would have to fade out eventually
unless the video goes all the way through Remind...

Shaun

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Autechre: Chiastic Slide Review (not Orbital related)
Date: 23 Feb 1997 06:34:46 -0500 (EST)

Warning. Autechre not Orbital. Skip at your discretion.

Well, it seems like there's some interest, so here goes. 'Chiastic Slide',
the album trailed by 'Envane' (both of which have no planned US release date,
apparently; maybe imports are around?) consists of nine tracks, lasts nearly
70 minutes and feels like another evolutionary step rather than a
revolutionary one.

The album is suffused with static, off-kilter beats and languid melodies,
occasionally hitting a more dance-orientated stride. Short tracks like
'Rettic AC' are joined by the much longer 'Calbruc' and 'Nuane', featuring
trademark Ae long fades. It's difficult giving a track-by-track list as it's
still a little too jumbled, but probably my favourite at the moment is
'Cichli', and the album flows well.

If you can't wait, there are soundbites at a couple of places on the net;
RealAudio at Delsin's site Forcefield (mislaid the URL, sorry; it's in the
Netherlands) and Warpnet (http://www.warp-net.com/, requires Shockwave).

I'd say it's worth it buying in the UK as a domestic, and if you're
interested enough (and liked 'Anvil Vapre' and 'Tri Repetae'), probably
elsewhere on import too. (Otherwise, wait and see for a domestic release).

As for comparisons to 'Envane', it's more like the first bits of '902
Quarter' and 'Draun Quarter' than the other two tracks. (Toddy: Envane is the
EP, 'Laughing' and 'Draun' are the two tracks on the second 12"; the other
two tracks are on the first 12" and all four are on the CD. I can't hear them
as remixes myself. 'Anvil Vapre' is the same.)

Hope this Ae overload hasn't annoyed too many people and has been useful for
some.

paul mison. be careful. be very careful.
http://members.aol.com/pmison/autechre/

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From: "neil lawrence" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Envane
Date: 23 Feb 1997 12:20:08 -0000

Evane? What the hell is this?

----------
> From: Anthony Agee <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Envane
> Date: 22 February 1997 21:24
>
> Has Envane been released in the United States yet?  I cannot find it
> anywhere.

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From: Tim Wynne <[e-mail]>
Subject: Posters in the U.K
Date: 23 Feb 1997 15:08:59 +0000

 Does anybody know where I can Orbital related posters in the U.K ?
 I have seen the "insides" poster in record shops; but I am especially
 after the Radiccio "Halcyon..." single cover (red cabbages) or the "In
 his own image" by John Greenwood (used for "Are we Here?" single)

 Great.Smashing.Super.

 p.s. to add to a very old thread - Orbital and (what was) The Verve
 would sound pretty special :)
--
Tim <[e-mail]>

"Why not?...Yeah..."



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Lush on AMP
Date: 23 Feb 1997 16:16:36 GMT


>I just saw Lush on AMP tonight (Saturday) and it wasn't what
>I expected at all.  I didn't know the whole video was at some
>huge yard sale.  Well, if anyone wanted to tape it, it'll probably
>be on this Friday at 2AM (It was the first video).
>
>Does anyone know how long the video is?  They cut it off before
>3-2 came in.. does the actual video end there (do they fade it out)
>or does it continue?  I'm sure it would have to fade out eventually
>unless the video goes all the way through Remind...

the video is probably just lush3-1, coz that's all that would have
been played on the radio. Like The Box, video will only have been made
for the first movement - they're not going to play a 28minute choon on
the radio are they?

tkae it easy

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Posters in the U.K
Date: 23 Feb 1997 18:25:23 GMT


> after the Radiccio "Halcyon..." single cover (red cabbages) or the "In =
=20
> his own image" by John Greenwood (used for "Are we Here?" single)

yeah, I'd love that one as well...

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From: Anthony Bryan <[e-mail]>
Subject: things to do in London
Date: 23 Feb 1997 16:06:16 -0500 (EST)

I'm thinking (pretty sure) of taking a semester in London next fall, from
september to december, w/ about 20 kids from my school. I'm not exactly sure
where I'd be, except that it's in London, nothing more specific.

I've never been to England & I'm wondering how easy it is to get around,
or over to Scotland or the continent. is there anything (concerts, shows,
festivals) going on at that time? anybody had any experience w/ something
like this?

please reply back to me NOT THE LIST as I'm going on a trip for a week &
won't see it. thanks for any info.

Anthony

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From: Hobo Bojo Man <[e-mail]>
Subject: Old Orbital Vinyl
Date: 23 Feb 1997 17:37:12 -0500 (EST)

Does anyone know if it still possible to get the old singles (Mutations
and before) still on vinyl - if so how do I order them - or how can I
contact ffrr to ask them - I tried the email address [e-mail] and
got no responce.

Thanks

I am the terry cloth God!!!!        [e-mail]
Bow down and wash with me!!!!       [e-mail]
                                    [e-mail]


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 23 Feb 1997 18:56:52 -0500 (EST)

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, tsee wrote:

>
> At 12:13 PM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >The sample of "What's wrong? (female voice)" is from Star Wars...go see it in
> >the theatre for yourselves if you don't think so!!!  It's there...the scene
> >where strolls away from Han Solo in the hangar before the attack on the Death
> >Star.
>
>                 I still disagree, go rent THX1138, in the beginning of the
> movie you will see a scene of men watching television screens of people
> opening there medicine cabinets and you will hear the sound of the voice I
> am referring to.  I think you all are just into Star Wars too much to think
> it could be anything else......

    I'm sure the female voice is Carrie Fisher, about 99.9% sure. Are
you referring to the *male* voice that says 'What's wrong?'?

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: i've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 23 Feb 1997 19:06:12 -0500 (EST)

Hmm, time to throw in my $.02 worth on the whole "Electronic music makes
it big" thread. The Chemical Brothers I've never really cared all that
much for. They're okay, but nothing special. Prodigy I do like, because
I've always been a hard-rock/industrial fan, and that sort of seems to be
the direction they're going. I read an interview with Liam H a few weeks
ago where he said he considered them more of a rock band, anyway.
Underworld I really dig, more than the other two. Beautiful, flowing
grooves.. From what I gather (from reading Billboard, anyway), they're the
one all the major labels are chasing after here in the US, since the Prodg
signed the distribution deal with Maverick. All the big boys want to get a
hold of Junior Boys Own.. Orbital seems, unfortunately, or fortunately, to
be over the head of most people over here. Everyone seems so pre-occupied
with "The Beat" that everything else gets sort of glazed over. Liam said
in an interview that 'groups like Orbital' will never make it really big
over here because 'their music doesn't have enough balls'. I dunno, I
kinda like things the way they are right now, with everything sort of on
the verge.. Could go either way, really. I'm just enjoying the ride.

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: i've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 23 Feb 1997 18:27:22 -0600

>Liam (from Prodigy) said
> in an interview that 'groups like Orbital' will never make it really big
> over here because 'their music doesn't have enough balls'.


If Orbital's music is "ball-less" then Prodigy's music is "soul-less" and
"intelligent-less", as far as I'm concerned.  Prodigy make some good music
but it seems to me they have one guy doing the music and the rest of them
are nothing but a freak show jumping around and screaming and that one guy
saying "oh god!" over and over.  Get a new act, guys. British bands
slagging one another is just as immature as this west coast versus east
coast rap thing in the states...It's so boring.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Autechre
Date: 23 Feb 1997 19:57:29 +0000


>why it sound so damn weird. I've also heard Anvil Vampre Second Peng
>(would second peng be like the version name, as in laughing quarter?)
>which I also like, can anyone recommend an album and 12"s in a similar
>vein to this?
well, the album Tri Repetae is similar to Anvil Vapre...lots of percussion,
clicky sounds with string melodies on top...very nice
I also HIGHLY recommend their second album, Amber...somewhat more melodic
that Tri Repetae.
In any case, anything they do is incredible, you cant really go wrong..

elliot


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: DJ Doubles
Date: 23 Feb 1997 22:19:18 -0500 (EST)

On Sat, 22 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> most choons are made by DJs in the first place, it's a waste of time
> making a record yourself if you're not going to spin it. If you think
> that there's money to be made in creating music for selling only (in
> the club/rave scene) then you are vastly mistaken.
> DJs make their choons so they can play them in clubs or at raves, what
> else are they supposed to make them for?

    I tend to look at the whole electronic/dance scene as being split
(more or less, anyway) 2 ways. At least as far as the production of music
goes. On one side, there are the artists like Orbital, Aphex Twin, etc.
that have always been about creating their own music, purely from an
artistic standpoint. THe other side (unfortunately the more popular with
most of the mindless techno fans on this side of the water) is DJ's who
decided to go *into* production for the purpose of having more control
over the records they spin. I think that for the most part, it's a pretty
obvious line between the two in both quality and originality. Has anyone
else notcied this? My $.02 (or so)


halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Envane
Date: 23 Feb 1997 22:22:42 -0500 (EST)

While we're somewhat on the subject of Autechre, has anyone noticed the
thematic (and sonic) similarities between 'Doctrine' and 'The Box'?

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Posters in the U.K
Date: 23 Feb 1997 22:26:02 -0500 (EST)

On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Tim Wynne wrote:

> "Why not?...Yeah..."

    Timothy Leary?

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: i've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 23 Feb 1997 22:30:15 -0500 (EST)

On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Anthony Agee wrote:

>
> >Liam (from Prodigy) said
> > in an interview that 'groups like Orbital' will never make it really big
> > over here because 'their music doesn't have enough balls'.
>
>
> If Orbital's music is "ball-less" then Prodigy's music is "soul-less" and
> "intelligent-less", as far as I'm concerned.  Prodigy make some good music
> but it seems to me they have one guy doing the music and the rest of them
> are nothing but a freak show jumping around and screaming and that one guy
> saying "oh god!" over and over.  Get a new act, guys. British bands
> slagging one another is just as immature as this west coast versus east
> coast rap thing in the states...It's so boring.

    No kidding. I sort of understand what he meant by it, but He
didn't have to say it so it came off as slagging Orbital. If he meant what
I'm choosing to think he meant (err, you know what I mean), it's mroe
along the lines that the Orbital sound is not really what American pop
culture is looking for right now. It's all about attitude, and not as much
about music.

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: a few questions  (only 1 orbital related.  sorry.)
Date: 23 Feb 1997 19:47:23 -0800

Yeah, I know I shouldn't add too much to the non-orbital posts.... but I
dunno where else to go for quality opinions, being stateside and all... so
here the questions are:
1.  how is the Photek remix of Possibly maybe?  worth the $10 for the single?
2.  what's another decent mailing list about dance music?
3.  I missed the big mailing defining subgenres of music-  could someone
please clarify what "handbag" and "garage" are?
4.  Have Coldcut released an album?  what's it called?
5.  What's this about a new orbital single? and did they end up doing the
soundtrack for "the saint?"
Thanks a lot!
Ryan

...so I thought to myself, "what would God do in this situation?"
Then it came to me.  Locusts.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: a few questions (only 1 orbital related. sorry.)
Date: 23 Feb 1997 22:59:28 -0500 (EST)

hello,  lurv
I will try to answer 2 of your questions:
see how you like Underworld's mailing list...search for "mmm....underworld, I
love you"

"handbag" I believe is a term meaning cheesy, masses-pleasing house.  I would
venture to think it is a term coined by dj's to describe what they may have
to play to pay the bills.....

"garage" to the best of my knowledge is a very soulful, stripped-down,
piano/bass, diva driven house.  think of Adeva if you remember her, and what
might make the booty of a nuyorican drag queen shake  real hard.

Love Khugo

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From: tsee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Pete and Repeat
Date: 23 Feb 1997 21:15:13 -0800

>actually, even though most songs are written in this fashion, there are quite
>a few that are not repetative. i am drawn to these groups for the fact that
>they very unstructured. Download is one. Skinny Puppy is one as well. Sure,
>they are not usually clumped into the "dance-trance" catagory, but it is
>electronic music, and i am an admirer of all electronic music. Both these
>bands share the same man. cEvin Key. He is a studio terrorist, who never
>ceases to amaze me with his wizardry. just thought i'd share.
>
>

                OH MY GAWD!!! YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!  HOW COULD I FORGET THE
BELOVED SKINNY PUPPY (please kick me now)!!!!  They happen to be one of my
fav's also...geez...how could I forget them.  A good example of the
non-repetative songs from them are on the Last Rights LP...I especially love
the song 'Download'...."I actually felt like I was falling out...like my
arms and my chest would just...fall out and..."


        \ \ | / /
        (o  o)
---------------------o00o--( )--o00o-----------------------
    ETX,

    Trent See

Occassionally, I can be found wandering around in
Worlds Chat as user "Trent".


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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: a few questions  (only 1 orbital related.  sorry.)
Date: 24 Feb 1997 01:57:28 -0500 (EST)

>
> Yeah, I know I shouldn't add too much to the non-orbital posts.... but I
> dunno where else to go for quality opinions, being stateside and all... so
> here the questions are:
> 1.  how is the Photek remix of Possibly maybe?  worth the $10 for the single?


HELL'S yeah!

>

2.  what's another decent mailing list about dance music?


    try the IDM


> 3.  I missed the big mailing defining subgenres of music-  could someone
> please clarify what "handbag" and "garage" are?
>

example of handbag would be "be  my lover" or "pump that pussy"

4.  Have Coldcut released an album?  what's it called?
>
i wanna know that as well.


 5.  What's this about a new orbital single? and did they end up doing the
> soundtrack for "the saint?"
>

someone answer this question for him.

 Thanks a lot!
> Ryan
>
> ...so I thought to myself, "what would God do in this situation?"
> Then it came to me.  Locusts.
>
>
>

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From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 24 Feb 1997 02:01:19 -0500

> halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
> supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
> winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
>       <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
>               2. Prosperous; golden.

Isn't halcyon actually some sort of drug? Some sort of anti-depressent,
sedative or something like that?

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From: Peter Backx <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Prodigy -OFF TOPIC-
Date: 24 Feb 1997 09:42:19 +0100 (MET)


On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, *jim briggs iii wrote:

> well, i too have been a prodigy fan since '91, stateside, and i have just
> really lost respect for them: why? look: "intro" on MftJG says "i've
> decided to take my work back underground - to stop it from falling into
> the wrong hands" - and now with "firestarter" it has completely fallen
I too love Music for the jilted generation

> into the wrong hands and the prodigy are very far from underground... i
> mean "firestarter" was released about a year ago and just now is it big in
> the u.s. because now keith is the "lead singer" instead of the dancer he's
> always been, and he's the "wild and crazy" empty-v icon... it's just a
> stupid ploy to make money as far as i am concerned, and it has none of the
> artistic integrity of jilted generation or experience, and is just really
> not the techno i want from the prodigy... there's my five bucks or so...
> *jim

but after that cd they went downward. I didn't like Firestarter at all,
and I think Breathe sounds remarkable similar. I must admit I haven't
bought their new full cd so I don't know if the other songs are better,
but I completely dislike their last two singles (firestarter and breathe).
(the same with moby, I loved the guys 'everything is wrong' but well it
seems he's into speed-trash-metal stuff these days :( )

Peter Backx aka Baxter/Axial Force    BBS: Footprint [phone]
[e-mail]                 Belgian Scene Report HQ
http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~pbackx
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From: "Seamus (James) Swift" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: I've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 24 Feb 1997 09:12:12 -0000

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: Liam said
: in an interview that 'groups like Orbital' will never make it really big
: over here because 'their music doesn't have enough balls'.

I'm shocked that he has said this. The prodigy were my fave band until I
discovered Orbital. If Impact or Satan don't have balls then Breathe
(a.k.a. remix of all other stuff in one single with semi-firestarter beat)
must be a roman virgins guard :).
Personally I still like the Prodigy, fave track being Your Love off
experience. Your Love is close to the early style of Orbital anyway. I get
tingles down my spine during the piano break.

Like I say, I'm shocked Liam said this and if nothing else it is more
evidence towards my belief that commercialism is detrimental to music.


phew, finished my rant.

Who thinks "Trance Europe Express" 1 & 2 are just about the best trance
compilations in the known universe ????


::  \   Seamus (James) Swift
     |    a.k.a.  "whois"
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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Trance Europe Express
Date: 24 Feb 1997 12:38:53 +0000

At 09:12 24/02/97 -0000, Seamus (James) Swift wrote:

>Personally I still like the Prodigy, fave track being Your Love off
>experience.

I love the Top Buzz mix of Weather Experience, hard beats but such a
gorgeous piano. That is definitely their best track.
>
>Who thinks "Trance Europe Express" 1 & 2 are just about the best trance
>compilations in the known universe ????

And TEX 3, 4 and 5, and Trance Atlantic 1 and 2 and TEXtures and Wasted and
Berlin Unwrapped and Breakbeat Science. Whoever compiles the dance albums at
Volume is my hero!

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Major label interference
Date: 24 Feb 1997 12:42:19 +0000

At 19:06 23/02/97 -0500, The Box wrote:
> All the big boys want to get a
>hold of Junior Boys Own..

I don't see it happening, JBO was set up by the people at Boys Own who were
sick of the way London treated them. Strange that, Orbital have never had
too much interference. Maybe Boys Own just didn't stand up to them like
Orbital have done. Being on a major label is only a bad thing if bands let
them fuck them around.

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Coldcut etc (a bit of Orbital as well!)
Date: 24 Feb 1997 12:51:02 +0000

At 19:47 23/02/97 -0800, [e-mail] wrote:

>4.  Have Coldcut released an album?  what's it called?

The only thing Coldcut have released in the last five years (apart from
compilations they've mixed for theuir own Ninja Tune label, and DJ Food
releases) or so is the single 'Atomic Moog 2000/Boot the system', here in
the UK a month or so ago. It's long mind you, so qualified as an album for
our stupid charts, despite retailing at =A31.99. I suppose it's us as
customers who win, I got the "Orbital live mini-album" for =A36, so who can
complain about all this price cutting that goes on?=20

>5.  What's this about a new orbital single? and did they end up doing the
>soundtrack for "the saint?"

That is the new single. Anybody heard it yet?



Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"
 =20


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From: [e-mail] (FIRESTARTER)
Subject: Re: The Prodigy
Date: 24 Feb 1997 13:07:09 +0100


===============================================================================

Andy Proctor

    Bored and frustrated at Stafford Uni



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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Re: S..S...S....S.....Satan
Date: 24 Feb 1997 08:21:48 -0500

Oh they've been out for a long while, maybe a month or so. Here's the CAT
number's --->

LIECD 37-PY 940-850 808.2
LIECD 37-PY 940-850 806.2
LIECD 37-PY 940-850 810.2



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From: ed naylor <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Lush on AMP  and Re: Posters
Date: 24 Feb 1997 15:16:34 -0500 (EST)


> I just saw Lush on AMP tonight (Saturday) and it wasn't what
> I expected at all.  I didn't know the whole video was at some
> huge yard sale.

Yard Sale? What's a bloody yard sale when it's at home? Gertcha!
It's a boot sale mate, innit?

Push Posters in deepest Fife in Scotland is (or was) a good bet for
posters - their last catalogue that I saw had the Sniv cover art for
sale.  I haven't seen an advert of theirs for a while, I think they
mostly advertise in Vox and Select.



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From: Josh Carley <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: What's wrong?
Date: 24 Feb 1997 08:52:56 -0800


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wasn't the name of the song after a drug his mother used to take?  (rather heavily...)  ???

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> halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
> supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
> winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
>       <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
>               2. Prosperous; golden.

Isn't halcyon actually some sort of drug? Some sort of anti-depressent,
sedative or something like that?


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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: What's wrong?
Date: 24 Feb 1997 10:53:09 -0600

> > halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that
> was
> > supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
> > winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
> >       <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
> >               2. Prosperous; golden.
>
> Isn't halcyon actually some sort of drug? Some sort of
> anti-depressent,
> sedative or something like that?
>
it's the name of a drug.. i dont think too many prescription drugs are
in the dictionary.. (which is where that signature comes from)..

                aaron

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From: WALL <[e-mail]>
Subject: i'm new here...
Date: 21 Feb 1997 15:12:53 -0500 (EST)


hello everyone, so how many people are there on this list?  More and more
people are listening to orbital nowadays.  I've been listening to them
for 2 or 3 years now.  Orbital 2 was the first CD I bought.  I have all
of the albums now.  I am currently looking for the CD singles to buy.  I
just got a bootleg in the mail today too.  It's a show from 12-15-96 at
the cow palace in CA.  If anyone wants to trade bootlegs, e-mail me.  my
page is at http://ace.alleg.edu/~wall/bootlegs.html.  i don't have the
orbital boot on the list yet.  i just got it.  later...


---------------------------> [e-mail] <---------------------------
---------------------> http://ace.alleg.edu/~wall <----------------------
---------> ERASURE DM PSB ORBITAL MANSON PRODIGY NIN BJORK DMB <---------


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From: [e-mail] (Carl Wennstam)
Subject: NEV?
Date: 24 Feb 1997 11:20:13 +0100

>And TEX 3, 4 and 5, and Trance Atlantic 1 and 2 and TEXtures and Wasted and

OK, if we're discussing the Trance Atlantic albums, does anyone know if NEV
has released any fullength CD's? Is Inside Nevsound released?

Anyone who don't know what NEV is, check out his My Plasma Block EP (on
GPR). Orbital fans will probably like it.

Cal-El, Man of Steel and Protector of Earth.



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From: Dark Train <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coldcut etc (a bit of Orbital as well!)
Date: 24 Feb 1997 12:21:23 -0600 (CST)



On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Jon Green wrote:

> At 19:47 23/02/97 -0800, [e-mail] wrote:
>
> >4.  Have Coldcut released an album?  what's it called?
>
> The only thing Coldcut have released in the last five years (apart from
> compilations they've mixed for theuir own Ninja Tune label, and DJ Food
> releases) or so is the single 'Atomic Moog 2000/Boot the system', here in
> the UK a month or so ago.

I hear that "Atomic Moog ..." is to be released statesides on Shadow
records sometime this month.  At least that what a few on-line record
stores believe, since they are advertising it for early order.

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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Envane
Date: 24 Feb 1997 17:44:31 +0000


>thematic (and sonic) similarities between 'Doctrine' and 'The Box'?
Hijacking this thread completely - I heard what I think was the new
FSOL tune which bore much similarities to Satan.
Well that's my opinion anyway...
--
Tim <[e-mail]>

"Why not?...Yeah..."



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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Lush on AMP
Date: 24 Feb 1997 10:28:09 -0800

ed naylor[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:

> Yard Sale? What's a bloody yard sale when it's at home? Gertcha!
> It's a boot sale mate, innit?

Haha, I guess it's a boot sale!  I've never seen one of those.  It
looks like a swap meet in the middle of nowhere!

Shaun
--
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 24 Feb 1997 13:49:30 EST

Halycon is the anti-depressant Phil and Pauls' mother was on-hence the
name of the song.

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From: Shane <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 24 Feb 1997 14:05:24 -0500


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Halcyon is a trademark for a drug, but it's not actually spelt that way.
It is actually spelt "Halcion," and it is a trademark for a hypnotic
agent such as triazolam, which is prescribed in the short-term treatment
of insomnia.

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From: "Grandmaster Mellie Mel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 24 Feb 1997 19:52:28 -0000

Well, regarding Halcyon, according to Paul and Phil of orbital, it refers
to an anti-depressant drug that their mum was taking and it made her worse.
so there U go!

----------
> From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: What's wrong?
> Date: 24 February 1997 07:01
>
> > halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
> > supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
> > winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
> >       <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
> >               2. Prosperous; golden.
>
> Isn't halcyon actually some sort of drug? Some sort of anti-depressent,
> sedative or something like that?

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From: "Grandmaster Mellie Mel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: a few questions  (only 1 orbital related.  sorry.)
Date: 24 Feb 1997 19:55:10 -0000

Well, referring to point no. 5. There will be a new Orbital single out
scheduled for
7th April. It is the title track to a film version of that old favourite
the Saint (you know
Simon Templar and all that) and Phil and Paul were asked to write a track
for it.



----------
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: a few questions  (only 1 orbital related.  sorry.)
> Date: 24 February 1997 03:47
>
> Yeah, I know I shouldn't add too much to the non-orbital posts.... but I
> dunno where else to go for quality opinions, being stateside and all...
so
> here the questions are:
> 1.  how is the Photek remix of Possibly maybe?  worth the $10 for the
single?
> 2.  what's another decent mailing list about dance music?
> 3.  I missed the big mailing defining subgenres of music-  could someone
> please clarify what "handbag" and "garage" are?
> 4.  Have Coldcut released an album?  what's it called?
> 5.  What's this about a new orbital single? and did they end up doing the
> soundtrack for "the saint?"
> Thanks a lot!
> Ryan
>
> ...so I thought to myself, "what would God do in this situation?"
> Then it came to me.  Locusts.
>
>

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From: [e-mail]
Subject:      ATTN: MARK
Date: 24 Feb 1997 16:13:33 -0500 (EST)

Marky Mark!!!

Where are ya buddy??

Mail me privately...I got your tapes...did you get mine?

jamie

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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Posters in the U.K
Date: 24 Feb 1997 17:46:59 +0000

"
" The Box <[e-mail]> writes
>On Sun, 23 Feb 1997, Tim Wynne wrote:
>
>> "Why not?...Yeah..."
>
>       Timothy Leary?
>
At last....someone has responded!
Yes - they were the (last) words of the man.....
--
Tim                     [e-mail]

"And when Alexandra saw the breath of his domain he wept for there were
 no more worlds to conquer"

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From: Mark S-D <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: i've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 24 Feb 1997 16:25:51 +0000

In message , Anthony Agee <[e-mail]> writes
>>Liam (from Prodigy) said
>> in an interview that 'groups like Orbital' will never make it really big
>> over here because 'their music doesn't have enough balls'.
>
Seems to me Orbital could keep making aggresive tracks if they wanted
to, Petrol isn't exactly a weakling of a track compared to most of the
Prodigy stuff. I think I know what Liam meant but it sounds a bit
insulting doesn't it ? Oh well.
--
   |  \/  |  ____|     \
   |  ..  |____  |  |)  )
   |  \/  |  ____|     /      [e-mail]

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From: Tim <[e-mail]>
Subject: FHM interview - longish
Date: 24 Feb 1997 17:51:45 +0000

Every month in FHM (For Him Magazine) there is a short interview with
a music celeb about what music they personally in certain situations.
Last month it was Lenny Megadeth (name temporarily slips my mind :)).
This month it's Paul H.
I- Waking up to......
P- "Kate Bush - Wuthering heights. I just think that she's exceedingly
    good. This tune's a great all rounder, lively and soothing. I
    remember Little and Large <UK 'entertainers'> and all the bad
    comedians laughing at this on the telly, but we don't laugh at
    them any more do we? No."
I- Having Breakfast to......
P- "Kate Bush - Army Dreamers. THis would still be on as I was sliding
    the toast in under the grill, because it's off the same compilation.
    I remember the Kate in the video, running through the forest in army
    gear. Isn't she marvellous?"
I- Going to the shop....
P- "John Barry - The Knack. This is a soundtrack from 1965. It'd give me
    the foreboding feeling I appreciate when going out to buy 20 B&H.
    It starts with straight out-of-the-door paranoia, goes to swinging
    London and degenerates into total chaos, all in two and a half
    minutes. It suits my road."
I- That perfect day feeling...
P- "Danny Elfman - Edward Scissorhands. An orchestral score, very
    fairytale -like with choirs and tinkly effects. It moved me to tears
    this morning"
I- That perfect day spoiled feeling...
P- "The Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables. This is a
    real fave. I'm still pulling it out. I dunno what Jello Biafra's up
    to these days, but this gets me air-guitaring every time"
I- Favourite Punk song...
P- "Crass - Penis Envy. Some of their records sound a bit infantile now,
   but when I was about 14 they made me realise I wasn't alone in the
   things I thought about school and that. They spoke to the young!"
I- Down the pub...
P- "Nancy Sinatra - You only live twice. I put this on the other night
    and sang along. Our pub's got a very instrumental lounge jukebox"
I- Simply enjoying life walking home...
P- "Ennio Morricone - Mondo Morricone. It's for young Italian people so
   there's lots of Hammond organ and wild vocals. When that singer's
   whispering down my earhole, I get the urge to wear suits."
I- Sleep time...
P- "The theme to the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. Really, I'd be
    listening to Night Ride on Radio 2. But a serial lulls me famously."

Sorry if this post offended anyone...my web page isn't finished yet
and I hadn't seen this interview anywere...

Comments?
--
Tim                     [e-mail]

"And when Alexandra saw the breath of his domain he wept,for there were
 no more worlds to conquer"

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Multi-messages
Date: 24 Feb 1997 20:05:16 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-23 22:33:33 EST, you write:

<<
 halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
 supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
 winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
       <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
           2. Prosperous; golden.  >>

While we enjoy your missives, it might be nice to have all of them
consolidated to 1 post...rather than 4 or 5....

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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: What's wrong?
Date: 24 Feb 1997 20:29:12 -0500 (EST)

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Hans Lo wrote:

> > halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
> > supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
> > winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
> >       <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
> >               2. Prosperous; golden.
>
> Isn't halcyon actually some sort of drug? Some sort of anti-depressent,
> sedative or something like that?

    Yes, it's that too. Actually, I think here in the US it (the drug)
is spelled 'Halcion'. But the above (and below) is the American Heritage
dictionary definition.


halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: I've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 24 Feb 1997 20:32:27 -0500 (EST)

Err, I'm the one that quoted Liam as saying Orbital's music had no balls.
(Or, I reported reading the article) Now that I think about it, it may
very well have been Max that said that. But I agree, if Impact, Satan,
and, hell, Lush 3 don't have balls, then I don't either. Or something.

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Major label interference
Date: 24 Feb 1997 20:38:01 -0500 (EST)

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Jon Green wrote:

> At 19:06 23/02/97 -0500, The Box wrote:
> > All the big boys want to get a
> >hold of Junior Boys Own..
>
> I don't see it happening, JBO was set up by the people at Boys Own who were
> sick of the way London treated them. Strange that, Orbital have never had
> too much interference. Maybe Boys Own just didn't stand up to them like
> Orbital have done. Being on a major label is only a bad thing if bands let
> them fuck them around.

    Er, I have a question. I read that everyone was chasing
Underworld, and "their label, Junior Boys Own". I know the Chem Brothers
are on there, because it's preinted all over their CD's, but I've never
seen any mention of it on any Underworld stuff..?

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coldcut etc (a bit of Orbital as well!)
Date: 24 Feb 1997 20:39:19 -0500 (EST)

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Jon Green wrote:

> >5.  What's this about a new orbital single? and did they end up doing the
> >soundtrack for "the saint?"
>
> That is the new single. Anybody heard it yet?

    US Release Date - March 11
(for the soundtrack, haven't heard anything about a single)

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Envane
Date: 24 Feb 1997 20:41:37 -0500 (EST)

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Tim wrote:

> >thematic (and sonic) similarities between 'Doctrine' and 'The Box'?
> Hijacking this thread completely - I heard what I think was the new
> FSOL tune which bore much similarities to Satan.
> Well that's my opinion anyway...

    You talking about "We Have Explosive"? It's really gritty, lost of
heavily distorted synths?

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Multi-messages
Date: 24 Feb 1997 20:45:53 -0500 (EST)

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 97-02-23 22:33:33 EST, you write:
>  halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
>  supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
>  winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
>        <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
>            2. Prosperous; golden.  >>
>
> While we enjoy your missives, it might be nice to have all of them
> consolidated to 1 post...rather than 4 or 5....

    Err, what?

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: a few questions (only 1 orbital related. sorry.)
Date: 25 Feb 1997 01:53:53 GMT


>"handbag" I believe is a term meaning cheesy, masses-pleasing house.  I =
would
>venture to think it is a term coined by dj's to describe what they may =
have
>to play to pay the bills.....

yeah, cheesy, crap basically (IMO!!)

>"garage" to the best of my knowledge is a very soulful, stripped-down,
>piano/bass, diva driven house.  think of Adeva if you remember her, and =
what
>might make the booty of a nuyorican drag queen shake  real hard.

garage is spot on. Like house but a lot more groovy, choons are all
about going out on saturday night and having a great time. Sounds
good? check out Ministry Of Sound Sessions Seven, mixed by david
Morales - I picked it up the other day and I love it loads.

take it easy
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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: i've been gone.. so here goes
Date: 24 Feb 1997 21:30:56 -0600 (CST)

Yes, it is insulting...to the American public.

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Mark S-D wrote:

> In message , Anthony Agee <[e-mail]> writes
> >>Liam (from Prodigy) said
> >> in an interview that 'groups like Orbital' will never make it really big
> >> over here because 'their music doesn't have enough balls'.
> >
> Seems to me Orbital could keep making aggresive tracks if they wanted
> to, Petrol isn't exactly a weakling of a track compared to most of the
> Prodigy stuff. I think I know what Liam meant but it sounds a bit
> insulting doesn't it ? Oh well.
> --
>    |  \/  |  ____|     \
>    |  ..  |____  |  |)  )
>    |  \/  |  ____|     /      [e-mail]
>


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From: fulya okurer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: ATTN: MARK
Date: 25 Feb 1997 04:07:24 -0500 (EST)

>
> Marky Mark!!!
>
> Where are ya buddy??
>
> Mail me privately...I got your tapes...did you get mine?
>
> jamie
>

what in the bloody hell is this all about w/you and frat boy marky mark in
an orbital subscription.get marky mark's and your butt out of here this
instant!!!

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From: [e-mail] (FIRESTARTER)
Subject: Re: Lush on AMP  and Re: Posters
Date: 25 Feb 1997 12:01:56 +0100


Please get me off this list

===============================================================================

Andy Proctor

    Come play my game and I'll test ya

===============================================================================

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Digest,Loopz Site, Autechre and that...
Date: 25 Feb 1997 14:14:30 GMT

All,

First thing, the website has gone Orbital/Schematix. There is a nice
download sample page (Schematix stuff) and ill be soon getting rid of the
Live Ep sample page. This will be replaced by some more interesting
Orbital sample stuff to download. :)

As to Autechre, listened to the New Ep and was well disappointed (it is a
grower though). Still in a disappointment stage i decided to buy the LP
and so far (only a few listens though) i was pleasently pleased (!).
Still think they are missing summit though... (and why do i think they
sound like Aphex now!).

Seeing them live on Sat with My Wycliffe (EA) ... so i will tell all next
week.

Replies to the digest now follows :-

> Liam said
>in an interview that 'groups like Orbital' will never make it really big
>over here because 'their music doesn't have enough balls'.

I think he should be really saying...people dont have the balls to accept
the music. Most people are technophobics.

Like all people , everyone has a view, Liam obviously dont like
Orbital-type music. Personally ive got time for Orbital and Oasis.

>What's this about a new orbital single? and did they end up doing the
>soundtrack for "the saint?"

There is a new Orbital EP which will be a 2 track - the first track will
be a working of the Theme from the Saint and the 2nd track will be a
danced up version (130+bpm) which will most likely transcribe itself to
the new album (according to Phil).

>Isn't halcyon actually some sort of drug?

It was...now banned!

Steve
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http://wkweb1.cableinet.co.uk/BaDmUtHa/
"Make me believe im not gonna die!"

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: and what about?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 18:16:21 +0000


Hi. Has anyone heard/read about Sonar 97 lineup?
I=B4ve just herd It=B4s gonna be great, but this is nothing new ;)

MoniK



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From: Scott Kinnamon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Musicians?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 11:40:43 -0500

Hi, you probably don't know me - I don't send much mail to the list. I =
was wondering if anyone on the list is a musician interested in how Paul =
and Phil actually go about making the music?  I have seen them live in =
Atlanta, GA (USA) twice and I absolutely think they rule! I am a =
musician myself trying to finish my first album of dance music and would =
be interested in talking to anyone interested in Orbital's techniques, =
etc. It seems most of you are more looking at Orbital from a consumer =
standpoint. Anyway, most of you probably don't care, but at least my =
message wasn't book-length.

Later,
Scott

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From: John Tolva <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Musicians?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 11:45:36 -0600

Scott,

You should take a look at the interactive interview that we created after
speaking with the brothers before the second Atlanta show.  They talk at
length about their compositional process.  We've indexed the audio stream
such that you can follow links in the actual conversation according to the
topic you are interested in.

The site is at http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/ptrl/orbital

(btw, there's a hell of a lot more there than the interview: full concert,
image gallery, interactive light show, etc.)

John

At 11:40 AM 2/25/97 -0500, Scott Kinnamon wrote:
>Hi, you probably don't know me - I don't send much mail to the list. I was
wondering if anyone on the list is a musician interested in how Paul and
Phil actually go about making the music?  I have seen them live in Atlanta,
GA (USA) twice and I absolutely think they rule! I am a musician myself
trying to finish my first album of dance music and would be interested in
talking to anyone interested in Orbital's techniques, etc. It seems most of
you are more looking at Orbital from a consumer standpoint. Anyway, most of
you probably don't care, but at least my message wasn't book-length.
>
>Later,
>Scott
>

       _____________________________________
    net: [e-mail]
    web: http://www.mindspring.com/~jntolva
    vox: [phone]
    fax: [phone]
       _____________________________________

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From: Tim Gunning <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: and what about?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 16:50:35 GMT

At 06:16  25/02/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Hi. Has anyone heard/read about Sonar 97 lineup?
>I=B4ve just herd It=B4s gonna be great, but this is nothing new ;)
>
>MoniK
>

I went to Sonar in 96 and had a wicked time. Orbital played in 95 I belive.
I went for 3 days and ended up staying for 10 and spending time chilling in
Barcelona.
When is it this year?

Love n peace,
Tim


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From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Good Aphex-stuff?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 18:07:47

I just bought Aphex Twin=B4s album "I care because you do",
and it=B4s great! Now I want to know about other Aphex
Twin stuff? Any good ones?
joona p=F6yh=F6nen          Orbital
feloc             Future Sound Of London
[e-mail]            Autechre

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From: [e-mail] (Sean Strout)
Subject: Re: Good Aphex-stuff?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 09:38:10 PST

Hi, my suggestion is in this order:

Selected Ambient Works Vol 1 (techno/dance)
Richard D. James (the new album, get the US release, be warned, weird!)

progressing from there, the ultimate ambient/minimalist/atmosphere
album is 'Selected Ambient Works Vol 2'.  Classics (compilation),
Polygon Window (another recording name), you can then get
into the Ventolin singles (6 whacked out recordings) if you
are a fan of that track.  There's loads of stuff, so many
different styles...

cheers,
Sean

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From: Brian Davis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Coldcut etc (a bit of Orbital as well!)
Date: 25 Feb 1997 13:29:51 -0600

Dark Train wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 Feb 1997, Jon Green wrote:
>
> > At 19:47 23/02/97 -0800, [e-mail] wrote:
> >
> > >4.  Have Coldcut released an album?  what's it called?
> >
> > The only thing Coldcut have released in the last five years (apart from
> > compilations they've mixed for theuir own Ninja Tune label, and DJ Food
> > releases) or so is the single 'Atomic Moog 2000/Boot the system', here in
> > the UK a month or so ago.
>
> I hear that "Atomic Moog ..." is to be released statesides on Shadow
> records sometime this month.  At least that what a few on-line record
> stores believe, since they are advertising it for early order.
Actually, Ninja Tune has set up offices in North America now...so no
more ninja/shadow releases.....and the Atomic Moog single is out as we
speak

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From: "Hypocondriac Fancy's" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Good Aphex-stuff?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 13:30:00 -0600 (CST)



On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Joona =3D?iso-8859-1?Q?P=3D94yh=3D94nen?=3D wrote:

> I just bought Aphex Twin=B4s album "I care because you do",
> and it=B4s great! Now I want to know about other Aphex
> Twin stuff? Any good ones?
>
=09Well, the traditional answer would be to buy all of them.  But=20
since that would be cost prohibitive (to say the least), go for all of=20
his domestic releases (which would be "I Care ...", "Selected Ambient=20
Works II", and "Richard D. James").  These albums are all very different=20
in style and genre, if you ask me.  But if you can get a copy of=20
"Selected Ambient Works 85-92" buy it on sight.  And oh yeah, "Donkey=20
Rhubarb", "Ventolin", "On", and his AFX and Polygon Window stuff are=20
great.  And don't forget about his Caustic Window releases.  But now that=
=20
I have revealed myself as a closet Aphex fan, I'll shut up.

=09Must have help ....=20

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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Good Aphex-stuff?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 14:32:56 -0600

> Well, the traditional answer would be to buy all of them.  But
> since that would be cost prohibitive (to say the least), go for all of
>
> his domestic releases (which would be "I Care ...", "Selected Ambient
> Works II", and "Richard D. James").  These albums are all very
> different
> in style and genre, if you ask me.  But if you can get a copy of
> "Selected Ambient Works 85-92" buy it on sight.  And oh yeah, "Donkey
> Rhubarb", "Ventolin", "On", and his AFX and Polygon Window stuff are
> great.  And don't forget about his Caustic Window releases.  But now
> that
> I have revealed myself as a closet Aphex fan, I'll shut up.
>
>     Must have help ....
>
i just thought i'd relate the story behind the name Aphex Twin and the
album name "Richard D. James".. Richard James had a twin brother who
died at birth.. that's why he's the Aphex Twin, and his brother's grave
is show in the CD sleeve of "The Richard D. James Album".. i bet
everyone already knew this, but i decided to tell you all anyway.. ;)

                aaron


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: VIP Drum'n'bass
Date: 25 Feb 1997 16:50:40 -0500 (EST)

I definitely agree about Drum n bass or jungle, or whatever you wanna call it
being very innovative and soulful.  While there are groups out there just
putting out crap, that's true with every genre of music....  I'd definitely
agree w/Andrew and say that Lookin Good/Good Lookin is all quality, as are
the Metalheadz and Photek...but I'd also have to add Squarepusher to the
list....

My .02,
Matt

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From: chris lietz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Good Aphex-stuff?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 15:58:04 -0600

Aaron Murray wrote:
>
> > Well, the traditional answer would be to buy all of them.  But
> > since that would be cost prohibitive (to say the least), go for all of
> >
> > his domestic releases (which would be "I Care ...", "Selected Ambient
> > Works II", and "Richard D. James").  These albums are all very
> > different
> > in style and genre, if you ask me.  But if you can get a copy of
> > "Selected Ambient Works 85-92" buy it on sight.  And oh yeah, "Donkey
> > Rhubarb", "Ventolin", "On", and his AFX and Polygon Window stuff are
> > great.  And don't forget about his Caustic Window releases.  But now
> > that
> > I have revealed myself as a closet Aphex fan, I'll shut up.
> >
> >       Must have help ....
> >
> i just thought i'd relate the story behind the name Aphex Twin and the
> album name "Richard D. James".. Richard James had a twin brother who
> died at birth.. that's why he's the Aphex Twin, and his brother's grave
> is show in the CD sleeve of "The Richard D. James Album".. i bet
> everyone already knew this, but i decided to tell you all anyway.. ;)
>
>                                 aaron
sorry, but that theory is a skam.  the original a-twin was rdj and one
of the guys from global communication who have the same b-day.  rdj lies
alot, but this list is not about that.  check idm for all rdj minutiae.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Good Aphex-stuff? (and some Coldcut info)
Date: 25 Feb 1997 17:36:02 -0500 (EST)

Like the others said, about anything is good, but I'd have to recommend
Selected Ambient Works 85-92 first, and then Richard D. James (be
warned...this one will drive you mad, but it's good....besides, sanity's
overrated) and then Analogue Bubblebath under the AFX name.
I dunno if anyone out there knows this, but does the girl/boy single have
more mixes than what's on the US release?  (I love the Redruth mix....)

BTW, if you guys are interested, the reason Coldcut hadn't released anything
under that name for the past 5 years, is that they were having a squabble
w/their old label over who had the rights to the name Coldcut....

Your pal,
Matt



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From: chris lietz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Good Aphex-stuff? (and some Coldcut info)
Date: 25 Feb 1997 17:22:35 -0600

the us release contains rd james and the girl/boy single.  you have
tobuy them separately as imports.
chris lietz


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: chem bros
Date: 25 Feb 1997 21:45:45 EST

aynomne in the los angeles area know anythingt about a show that the
chemical brothers are putting on???  i think it is a rumor but i am not
sure.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Good Aphex-stuff?
Date: 25 Feb 1997 20:40:23

try selected ambient works 85-92, mellower but incredible...

[e-mail]



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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: Radiccio from Japan
Date: 25 Feb 1997 20:12:24 -0800

Does anyone know if Radiccio from Japan is still in print?
I want to get this for "The Naked and the Dub" and the
track "Deeper".

The on-line services still have it listed, so I wonder if I
should take the chance.  Any help?  Thanks...

Shaun
--
. .  .   .    .     .      .       .      .     .    .   .  .


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From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Good Aphex-stuff?
Date: 26 Feb 1997 06:10:55

At 09.38 25.2.1997 PST, you wrote:
>Hi, my suggestion is in this order:
>
>Selected Ambient Works Vol 1 (techno/dance)
>Richard D. James (the new album, get the US release, be warned, weird!)
>
>progressing from there, the ultimate ambient/minimalist/atmosphere
>album is 'Selected Ambient Works Vol 2'.  Classics (compilation),
>Polygon Window (another recording name), you can then get
>into the Ventolin singles (6 whacked out recordings) if you
>are a fan of that track.  There's loads of stuff, so many
>different styles...

I forget to say, I bought Ventolin-single too....weird


>cheers,
>Sean
>
>
joona p=F6yh=F6nen          Orbital
feloc             Future Sound Of London
[e-mail]            Autechre

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From: "Chance" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Radiccio from Japan
Date: 25 Feb 1997 23:18:21 -0800

   I can't help on "deeper" but if you can find the U.S. version titled
"Halcyon" that has "The Naked and the Dub" on it.  If Keith D., Ernesto P.
or anyone else that is interested can help me get a hold of a copy of
"Mutations" on cd,  I'm ready to make a deal.
                                                Chance

----------
> From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
> To: 'Orbital Mailing List' <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Radiccio from Japan
> Date: Tuesday, February 25, 1997 8:12 PM
>
> Does anyone know if Radiccio from Japan is still in print?
> I want to get this for "The Naked and the Dub" and the
> track "Deeper".
>
> The on-line services still have it listed, so I wonder if I
> should take the chance.  Any help?  Thanks...
>
> Shaun
> --
> . .  .   .    .     .      .       .      .     .    .   .  .

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: and what about?
Date: 26 Feb 1997 11:24:39 +0000

Hi. Has anyone heard/read about Sonar 97 (June 12, 13, 14. Barcelona) lineup=
?
I=B4ve just herd It=B4s gonna be GREEEAAAAT, but this is nothing new ;)

MoniK



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From: Tim Gunning <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: and what about?
Date: 26 Feb 1997 10:36:28 GMT

At 11:24  26/02/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi. Has anyone heard/read about Sonar 97 (June 12, 13, 14. Barcelona)=
 lineup?
>I=B4ve just herd It=B4s gonna be GREEEAAAAT, but this is nothing new ;)
>
>MoniK

They have a web page at=20

www.sonar.es

But it still has last years info.

I have E-mailed them and will let you know if I hear from them.

If it is going to be anything like last year it wil be
smashingbrilfabaceetcetc.....

Love n Chips,
Tim


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From: Tim Gunning <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sonar 97
Date: 26 Feb 1997 11:53:40 GMT

Hi folks,
        Just got this from Sonar. I will let you know when I hear more.
Chips n Peace
Tim

At 12:40  26/02/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Tim, the line up for the Sonar 97 Festival will be out in 15 days. We will
>send you the whole info by E mail.See U Soon
>Georgia / Sonar Festival
>Barcelona
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>              NEXT SONAR: 12th, 13th, 14TH June 1997
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>                SONAR.Advanced Music Meeting.
>                E-Mail: [e-mail]
>                http://www.sonar.es
>                P.O.Box 38.024-08080-Barcelona-Spain
>                Fax. ++ 34.3.441 53 38
>----------------------------------------------------------------------


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Good Aphex-stuff?
Date: 26 Feb 1997 12:24:54 +0000

At 06:10 26/02/97, Joona P"yh"nen wrote:

>I forget to say, I bought Ventolin-single too....weird

I love that track, especially the Luke Vibert mix.


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill"



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From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Good Aphex-stuff?
Date: 26 Feb 1997 16:32:30

At 12.24 26.2.1997 +0000, you wrote:
>At 06:10 26/02/97, Joona P"yh"nen wrote:
>
>>I forget to say, I bought Ventolin-single too....weird
>
>I love that track, especially the Luke Vibert mix.

In my opinion I=B4d say cylob-mix rocks!

joona p=F6yh=F6nen          Orbital
feloc             Future Sound Of London
[e-mail]            Autechre

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From: Aaron Murray <[e-mail]>
Subject: a cry for survival
Date: 26 Feb 1997 13:22:54 -0600

Someone, please help! my harddrive was recently formatted by my boss
today, and i lost the Orbital Interview!!! (oh woe is me!) could anyone
be so kind as to write me at [e-mail] if you have the interview
files and would be willing to send them to me.. thanx tons..

            aaron


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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Problems sending mail to list
Date: 26 Feb 1997 16:52:55 -0600

I sent a message asking people to verify a prodigy real audio file I heard
on the net and the message never made it.  I think that 1 out of 5 of my
messages are actually posted.


So, to repeat myself (apologies to you!) could someone check out the
prodigy Real Audio file at http://club.imusic.com.  The first track they
play is INCREDIBLE but I haven't heard it on Jilted or experience.  In
addition, the version of Poison and Voodoo People they play is sooo much
better than the album version.  What singles are they available on?

Orbital related:  A friend told me he heard a snippet of The Saint Orbital
song and said it seemed to have *very* little in common with The Box.

I really like The Box (parts 2,3) but the LP version of The Box wasn't so
great in my honest opinion.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Trance Europe Express
Date: 27 Feb 1997 01:25:40 GMT


>>Personally I still like the Prodigy, fave track being Your Love off
>>experience.
>
>I love the Top Buzz mix of Weather Experience, hard beats but such a
>gorgeous piano. That is definitely their best track.

it's a bit weak really, could do with a bit more going on, though that
piano is lovely.
The best Prodigy choon is without a doubt "Your Love", the original
version, old skool happy hardcore style...excellent.

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From: The Box <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Problems sending mail to list
Date: 26 Feb 1997 22:16:43 -0500 (EST)

On Wed, 26 Feb 1997, Anthony Agee wrote:

> addition, the version of Poison and Voodoo People they play is sooo much
> better than the album version.  What singles are they available on?

    Err, I'm not sure which ones are on there since I don't have RA
right now, but there are a couple of really good Poison remixes on the
Poison single (import-only, I think, at least mine is), and I'm told the
Voodoo People single has some decent mixes, including the Chem. Brothers
mix..

> I really like The Box (parts 2,3) but the LP version of The Box wasn't so
> great in my honest opinion.

    Really? I think I like the LP version (track 3 of it) the best of
all of them..At least today. <grin>

halcyon <n> - A fabled bird, identified with the kingfisher, that was
supposed to have had the power to calm the wind and the waves during
winter solstice while it rested on the sea.
      <adj> - 1. Calm and peaceful; tranquil.
          2. Prosperous; golden.


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From: Tim Gunning <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: and what about?
Date: 27 Feb 1997 12:29:13 GMT

Hello peeps,
At 06:49  26/02/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>    this may be a stupid question, but dont laugh at me please...
>:)... whats the sonar thing?

Sonar is a three day music festival held in Barcelona.
I went last year and ended up staying for 2 weeks just chilling with some
people I met there. It was top. There were events from 10 am till 6ish? in a
art centre type thing in the midle of the city with a chill out tent, a
record fair, and some multimedia arts stuff plus live acts such as Spring
heal jack etc. Then from 10 till 8 at night out on the hillside near the
palace with a dance area and outdoor chillout space. Ken ishi, Autechra and
others played plus loads of local talent and some american DJs I forget at
the mo.

Orbital played in 95.

I have a few BIG pictures at my sight (some of them are even about Sonar
!!!!?????!?!?!?)

www.staffs.ac.uk/engs/staff/tg/

I plan to go this year. Would not miss it for the world.

Top moment was watching the sun come up while sipping champane with Mc Tbag
and and my mates from HIA. aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh makes me all misty eyed.

>
>thanks for not laughing, even if you did. :)
>
>michelle

I not laugh. I only found out about it 2 weeks before it was on last year
and did not have a clue as to what it was b4 I went. Sometimes it pays to
take a chance. You only live twice??

Peace n ques,
Tim


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From: Skids LaSalle <[e-mail]>
Subject: Orbital virgin
Date: 27 Feb 1997 14:05:34 -0500


Hey y'all, I'm Skids.  I did my best to get on this mailing list, cuz I
needs some help:  The only reason I found out about Orbital is cuz of BT,
who said somewhere that Orbital is one of his favorite bands.  But they gots
lots of albums.  Can somebody please recommend a good starting album, or at
least tell me a couple of their more solid work?  (Oh, if there's any albums
to avoid, I'd appreciate that too.)  Thanks.

Ski


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From: "Chris Ridley" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: The Prodigy
Date: 24 Feb 1997 22:23:13 -0000

Maybe you've moved on from this discussion by now, but its the earliest I
could reply as my phone was knocked out by lightning.

THE PRODIGY

It goes without saying that every band, not just The Prodigy, can't sound
the same with every track they record, they have to change their style in
order to keep up with the times, otherwise every track they release will
become exact clones of one another.

I've only recently gotten interested in The Prodigy, and I'm not really
fanatical about any band, if I like the music a band produces enough to buy
their latest CD then I'll buy it, if not someone else will, there's room in
this world for every band, every musical style, I don't particularly like
classical or opera but I don't run it down.

Yet there are small minded shitheads on this mailing list running down The
Prodigy because they are what they are, and are striving to keep themselves
up to date and change with the times.

If bands failed to keep up to date, every weeks top 30 charts would be one
and the same record played 30 times.


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From: Paul Mison <[e-mail]>
Subject: The Saint
Date: 27 Feb 1997 19:28:07 +0000

In case no one's mentioned this (I've gone digestive, I can't tell) John
Peel played The Saint last night on his R1 evening show. I was ready with
the tape recorder and I've now put a Realaudio 28.8 audio file of the song
up. As it's slightly dodgy, record-company and employer wise, I'll only
leave it up until I get back from a relaxing non-Internet break on
Wednesday.

Some details: if the file gets requested more than about 50 times in one
day, it'll shut off the file, so don't all rush; (after all, there's only
150 or so of us, isn't there?) and only two people can connect at any one
time. (Frrebie server, after all).

So the url: http://www.angmulti.demon.co.uk/saint.ram

Personally, I think it sounds like a cross between The Box and PETROL.
Anyway, listen for yourselves.

Paul. "I want my rock stars DEAD!" Bill Hicks.



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From: Reality <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 27 Feb 1997 16:19:34 -0600 (CST)

I recommend "Diversions", but that has a lot of remix stuff on it. If you
want an "Introduction to Orbital" check out "Orbital 2".

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Skids LaSalle wrote:

>
> Hey y'all, I'm Skids.  I did my best to get on this mailing list, cuz I
> needs some help:  The only reason I found out about Orbital is cuz of BT,
> who said somewhere that Orbital is one of his favorite bands.  But they gots
> lots of albums.  Can somebody please recommend a good starting album, or at
> least tell me a couple of their more solid work?  (Oh, if there's any albums
> to avoid, I'd appreciate that too.)  Thanks.
>
> Ski
>


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From: "earthling" <[e-mail]>
Subject: anyone going to the DJ SHADOW CONCERT
Date: 27 Feb 1997 17:34:59 -0500

anyone going to the show on APRIL !(th here in Toronto?

((( earthling --> [e-mail] )))
(( " and they catch him, and they say he's mental... " ))



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From: "Grandmaster Mellie Mel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 27 Feb 1997 23:11:34 -0000

Skids

Sorry most people know this stuff, but I am keen to spread the word on
Orbital's brilliance!

Well, there's four Orbital Albums to choose from -should be five towards
the end of the year (in chronological order):

- Orbital 1 (The Green Album)
- Orbital 2 (The Brown Album)
- Snivilisation
- Insides

In my opinion, their best Album is 'Insides' - pure Orbital with some
incredible tracks (check out 'The Girl with the Sun in her Head' It is
awesome!) with 'The Brown Album' a close second - this is probably a good
starter as it contains some instantly catchy tracks which you just can't
help dancing to.

Snivilisation, is less 'hands in the air' dance music than the others but
is still very good.

hope this helps!
----------
> From: Skids LaSalle <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Orbital virgin
> Date: 27 February 1997 19:05
>
>
> Hey y'all, I'm Skids.  I did my best to get on this mailing list, cuz I
> needs some help:  The only reason I found out about Orbital is cuz of BT,
> who said somewhere that Orbital is one of his favorite bands.  But they
gots
> lots of albums.  Can somebody please recommend a good starting album, or
at
> least tell me a couple of their more solid work?  (Oh, if there's any
albums
> to avoid, I'd appreciate that too.)  Thanks.
>
> Ski
>

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From: Ugh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 27 Feb 1997 17:30:55 -0600 (CST)



On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Skids LaSalle wrote:

>
> Hey y'all, I'm Skids.  I did my best to get on this mailing list, cuz I
> needs some help:  The only reason I found out about Orbital is cuz of BT,
> who said somewhere that Orbital is one of his favorite bands.  But they gots
> lots of albums.  Can somebody please recommend a good starting album, or at
> least tell me a couple of their more solid work?  (Oh, if there's any albums
> to avoid, I'd appreciate that too.)  Thanks.
>
> Ski
>
>

    Well, here's my 2 cents worth.  Buy "In-Sides".  It is their best
album to date and has something for everyone.  And when you play it
really, really loud it sounds great.  That and all your friends will say
"cool" when you play it at parties and then you can pose as someone who
embraces the unusual, thereby making you more important and more
impressive to them and .... uh .... a little too much of myself there (he
says with a wry smirk to the musical elitists).
    But seriously, if you can't get this it's a shame, and then go
get Orbital 2 (the Brown album).  Either way, you'll turn into a hopeless
Orbital fan and purchase all their albums and lose yourself in and all
point of existence outside of this mailing list .... there I go again :)

James

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From: Greg Liu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 27 Feb 1997 16:35:47 -0800 (PST)

Hey Skids,
Personally, there is absolutely not one album of ORBITAL that should be
avoided.  I can't really pick just one to get first because they are
brilliant in their own right.  I think you should get anything that says
ORBITAL on it.  This probably wasn't much help, but it doesn't really
matter which one you get.  In Sides is their newest one though and it
pretty much speaks for itself.

Good luck
Greg

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Skids LaSalle wrote:

>
> Hey y'all, I'm Skids.  I did my best to get on this mailing list, cuz I
> needs some help:  The only reason I found out about Orbital is cuz of BT,
> who said somewhere that Orbital is one of his favorite bands.  But they gots
> lots of albums.  Can somebody please recommend a good starting album, or at
> least tell me a couple of their more solid work?  (Oh, if there's any albums
> to avoid, I'd appreciate that too.)  Thanks.
>
> Ski
>
>


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From: John Tolva <[e-mail]>
Subject: webcast in Japanese
Date: 27 Feb 1997 21:20:40 -0600

Hi everyone.

There is now a Japanese language version of the Orbital webcast from
Atlanta.  Follow the Japanese version link off the main page at
http://www.lcc.gatech.edu/ptrl/orbital/index.html.  You'll need a Kanji
character set installed of course.  Have fun.

John


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From: Joona =?iso-8859-1?Q?P=94yh=94nen?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Saint
Date: 28 Feb 1997 05:56:49

At 19.28 27.2.1997 +0000, you wrote:
>In case no one's mentioned this (I've gone digestive, I can't tell) John
>Peel played The Saint last night on his R1 evening show. I was ready with
>the tape recorder and I've now put a Realaudio 28.8 audio file of the song
>up. As it's slightly dodgy, record-company and employer wise, I'll only
>leave it up until I get back from a relaxing non-Internet break on
>Wednesday.
>
>Some details: if the file gets requested more than about 50 times in one
>day, it'll shut off the file, so don't all rush; (after all, there's only
>150 or so of us, isn't there?) and only two people can connect at any one
>time. (Frrebie server, after all).
>
>So the url: http://www.angmulti.demon.co.uk/saint.ram
>
>Personally, I think it sounds like a cross between The Box and PETROL.
>Anyway, listen for yourselves.

When the single=B4s out?
joona p=F6yh=F6nen          Orbital
feloc             Future Sound Of London
[e-mail]            Autechre

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From: Chris Herz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sip n' Surf (non-orbital, but gathering related)
Date: 27 Feb 1997 22:12:57 -0700

*this is a plug for a gathering of some kick butt DJs, sorry fer the
advertising*

those of you living in the Oregon area (which 3 of us, maybe ;) ), theres a
big ol' gathering at the Sip N' Surf Cafe in downtown Eugene, OR.  many
many well known DJ's are spinning including the one and only DJ Sol (plays
almost all Orbital, Winx, Tori Amos remixes, and many more)  It's all
happening Friday, Feb, 28th...  the address for Sip N' Surf is:
                        43 W Broadway St.
                        Eugene, OR
                        Ph#:  (541)-302-1581

its really kinda on the corner of  Willamette and Broadway, if some of you
do go, just go there and you'll totally hear downtown thumping...

so come along, get buzzed on your favorite lattes, kick back and play a
little Quake over the net, and listen to some funky toons....

again, sorry for the sad advertisement peoples....


        -Chris Herz

[e-mail]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Yanks unite...?
Date: 28 Feb 1997 02:04:39 -0500 (EST)

About five years ago listening to mainstream music bothered me a lot, and I
used to always try to find obscure stuff. Now this isn't bad, but it becomes
a bit childish when you stop liking a band or refuse to listen to one just
because they are popular. For the past few years I have tried to overcome
this "elitism" and have for the most part. However, it did annoy me when I
saw Orbital and no one would even stand in front of the stage when Spring
Heel Jack opened because it's not very easy to dance to their music (the
floor was full, of course, when they left and the DJ started spinning
extremely unoriginal trance and house); only a few of us found their music
intriguing and watched SHJ perform.
So it does still annoy me when certain "ravers", not all of them, only like
music to which they can dance and that's the only reason they like Orbital.
 Just like when people put down Orb or criticize Meat Beat's "Subliminal
Sandwich" (one of their best fucking works!) because it isn't "danceable".
 Now I love dancing, I even danced at the Orbital show, but it doesn't allow
you to really listen to all of the nuances of sound- and Orbital is so
complex that everyone should take time at home to really listen to them (not
while driving or bobbing your head).
Elitism is bad: not only is it snobbish but how is the rest of society ever
going to learn or change if we keep all the good things to ourselves? There
were people at the show that weren't even fans but it is great to see them
get into the music and really have a good time.  I also like seeing Orbital
on AMP because I feel that maybe their message will be spread if people start
listening- but then there is the chance that people will overlook it.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 02:21:53 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-27 14:34:07 EST, you write:

<< Can somebody please recommend a good starting album, or at
 least tell me a couple of their more solid work? >>

i would recommend snivilisation or diversions as a first but hell they all
kick ass so you could pretty much go wild buy 'em all, just dive in trust me
you'll like it.

                   joe

  "welcome one and all to the wonderful world that is"-joe felt/thrown

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Tribal Gathering Info
Date: 28 Feb 1997 02:55:14 -0500 (EST)

I'm in the US and kind of slow on the Tribal Gathering info (when, where, how
to get tickets). Could someone help me?

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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Orbital virgin
Date: 27 Feb 1997 12:02:08 -0800

Skids LaSalle[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:

> lots of albums.  Can somebody please recommend a good starting album, or at
> least tell me a couple of their more solid work?  (Oh, if there's any albums
> to avoid, I'd appreciate that too.)  Thanks.

I personally think their best stuff to date is "In Sides", their current
release.  If you get the US version, it should come with a second CD
of the greatest (IMO) single ever to be released, "The Box".  Get it!!

Shaun
--
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From: Jon Romley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: chem bros
Date: 28 Feb 1997 03:29:07 -0800

>aynomne in the los angeles area know anythingt about a show that the
>chemical brothers are putting on???  i think it is a rumor but i am not
>sure.

I know this response is a bit late, but anyway....


They'll probably be at the Hollywood American Legion hall. That's were
they were last time. Phil Blaine has exclusive rights to the American Legion
Hall if there are any instruments of any kind involved in the performance,
which means they worked with him last time, so he'll probably try to
present them again. However, due to the popularity of the Chemical Brothers
in the U.S. (in general), the event may not be held in the American Legion
Hall due to the
fact that it's maximum fire marshall approved capacity is 1000 people.
Which is not that many people when you think about it.

I'm waiting for the new Aphex Twin Cd to arrive at my doorstep via my
friends over at http://www.mass-music.com/... so does anyone have the
Richard D. James albumn?? Any good?

-Jon

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From: Daniel Kasaj <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 12:40:06 +0100 (MET)


Shaun wrote :
>
>I personally think their best stuff to date is "In Sides", their current
>release.  If you get the US version, it should come with a second CD
>of the greatest (IMO) single ever to be released, "The Box".  Get it!!

I've noticed many people sayin' In Sides is on the top.
I can never make up my mind which one is my favourite. Each and every one
kick ass and get you hooked so you'll go for the others.
But to all the orbital virgins I'd recommend brown. It's the best for
introducing people to the most beautiful tunes on Earth.
GET IT

--

   Daniel Kasaj - [e-mail]    URL: http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~leqash
  Home : Borovje 8, Zagreb, CROATIA                    phone - [phone]

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 14:27:59 GMT

there's no silliness on this list. I quickly get bored of talking
about one particular grup of producers.

so I'll stick to this very boring question
when in april is the new single released

I assume it is called "The Saint"
Any news on other trax with this release?

how does Autechre's new album "Chaistic Slide" compare with Envane?
I am very new to Autechre, I have Envane (all 4 bits) and like it, and
am thinking about getting the new album.

take it easy
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From: [e-mail] (Sean Strout)
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 06:43:19 PST

here was my purchase ordering, not that it reflects anything
about the quality of the works because as everyone rightly says,
they're all tops:

Diversions, Snivilisation, 2, 1, Insides, Satan 3,1,2, Midnight/Choice,
Raddicio, Times Fly, Are We Here. (so many more to get...)

orbital q's:
- does the Saint have vocals?
- on Diversions, Lush (euro...) and Walk About are the same
extraordinary track.  Do the actual song breaks come between the
laugher sample?

cheers,
-s.
(listening to Orb/Orblivion currently, ace!)


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From: "A. Drobbner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 17:06:50 +0100

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-02-27 14:34:07 EST, you write:
>
> << Can somebody please recommend a good starting album, or at
>  least tell me a couple of their more solid work? >>
>

I guess we all aren't much of a help for you, 'cause everybody has
different favs. Just simply buy all off them, that's the easiest and
safest way...

For me it depends on the mood I'm into. If I want to relax I listen
to In Sides, if i want grooves to dance to, I listen to the Brown...

Just my opinion...

Adios,
Andreas

|  A.DROBBNER at ElCafe, Hamburg  |
|       [e-mail]          |

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From: "A. Drobbner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: concert info  --- NON ORBITAL RELATED ---
Date: 28 Feb 1997 17:12:48 +0100

Tach!

I have a simple question:

Autechre and Apollo440 are going to play here in Hamburg this march.
Are they worth a visit? What can I expect???
I'm nearly bankrupt for this month and I don't want to spend useless
money.....

Bye
Andreas

|  A.DROBBNER at ElCafe, Hamburg  |
|       [e-mail]          |

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From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: chem bros
Date: 28 Feb 1997 11:44:34 -0500 (EST)

> I'm waiting for the new Aphex Twin Cd to arrive at my doorstep via my
> friends over at http://www.mass-music.com/... so does anyone have the
> Richard D. James albumn?? Any good?

    Yeah, I have it. I got the UK version while in London over the
Christmas holidays. I like it a lot as far as content, but I do have to
complain about the shortness of the album. Hell, I have many singles that
are far longer than the RDJ album. It's a good listen though.

    What does the NA version have that is different from the UK
version. I keep on hearing that the NA version has that little something
extra.


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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: concert info  --- NON ORBITAL RELATED ---
Date: 28 Feb 1997 16:43:08 +0000

At 17:12 28/02/97 +0100, A. Drobbner wrote:
>Tach!
>
>I have a simple question:
>
>Autechre and Apollo440 are going to play here in Hamburg this march.
>Are they worth a visit? What can I expect???
>I'm nearly bankrupt for this month and I don't want to spend useless
>money.....

If Apollo 440's current single is anything to go by I'd avoid them.

Jon


Jon Green: [e-mail]
"Then the clouds opened up over the target,
 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
that was my biggest thrill" Coldcut 'Atomic Moog 2000'



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From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 11:46:39 -0500 (EST)

I agree with you. The brown album or Diversions even is a good
introduction for Orbital virgins. Diversions is such a deal at around
CDN$10 that you just can't give it up. Lush, Earth is Burning, all of the
easy to listen, and addictive tunes from our favorite brothers.

Hans Lo (95001206)                    email:([e-mail])
[phone]                Joint Honours PoliSci/History
                    University of Waterloo.
    "Who I am is all I have left."
            -Det. Pembleton


On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Daniel Kasaj wrote:

>
> Shaun wrote :
> >
> >I personally think their best stuff to date is "In Sides", their current
> >release.  If you get the US version, it should come with a second CD
> >of the greatest (IMO) single ever to be released, "The Box".  Get it!!
>
> I've noticed many people sayin' In Sides is on the top.
> I can never make up my mind which one is my favourite. Each and every one
> kick ass and get you hooked so you'll go for the others.
> But to all the orbital virgins I'd recommend brown. It's the best for
> introducing people to the most beautiful tunes on Earth.
> GET IT
>
> --
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    Daniel Kasaj - [e-mail]    URL: http://fly.cc.fer.hr/~leqash
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   Home : Borovje 8, Zagreb, CROATIA                    phone - [phone]
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>


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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 10:12:15 -0800

[e-mail] wrote:

> when in april is the new single released

I heard it was April 7th.

Shaun
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Tribal Gathering Info
Date: 28 Feb 1997 18:32:24 GMT

thingybob violently scrawled:

>I'm in the US and kind of slow on the Tribal Gathering info (when, =
where, how
>to get tickets). Could someone help me?
>

www.universe.co.uk

has all you need to know.

WHY IS CJ NOT PLAYING?
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From: Skids LaSalle <[e-mail]>
Subject: online cd ordering companies
Date: 28 Feb 1997 14:03:32 -0500

I just got home from the records stores, and NONE of the stores in my area
carry Orbital.  Anybody know of any reliable, good cd ordering sites online?
Thanks.

Also, thanks to everyone for their advice for this Orbital virgin!

Skids


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From: Matt Gundlach <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Saint
Date: 28 Feb 1997 11:17:03 +0000

If you can pick up Seattle radio stations, listen to 107.7 at about 7:30
Pacifc today (friday)..they'll be playing The Saint too. I'll be making
a tape of it in case you want to get a copy...mail me at either of these
addressess...

[e-mail]
    - or -
[e-mail]

The Other Matt

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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Re: online cd ordering companies
Date: 28 Feb 1997 14:29:06 -0500

>I just got home from the records stores, and NONE of the stores in my area
>carry Orbital.  Anybody know of any reliable, good cd ordering sites online?
>Thanks.
well the 2 that i stick with are
CdNow at http://www2.cdnow.com
and Cd Banzai at http://www.lainet.com/~cdbanzai

they have pretty good selections if you have the money to shovel out :)

StarPango

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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: T-Shirt and IRC (Not Related)
Date: 28 Feb 1997 14:36:46 -0500

About the T-Shirt
        for those of you here in the states that don't enjoy getting an
International Money Order for a $25 fee BUT have a credit card should hop
on CdNow and check out Orbital.  There is a Squiggles t-shirt available for
$17- i just ran across it out of the blue.

About the IRC
        for the ones that i miss due to my busy schedule this quarter, i
have my new laptop and will be on the IRC Sunday afternoon at 1400 EST for
a bit.  as for Stakker, or should i say Loopz, sorry i missed u the other
day, u came and went and when i returned you were totally gone.  See Sasha,
Ea, Loopz and the crew on sunday :)

StarPango

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From: Mick <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 14:43:41 -0800

At 10:12 AM 2/28/97 -0800, you wrote:

>> when in april is the new single released
>
>I heard it was April 7th.

Could be, the movie opens here on that date,adverts everywhere.

Well i'll be off the list for a couple weeks,going for a few bevy's with
that  loopz chap :)
cherrio for now
oh bye the way, for all my fans i do have a new address,love and kisses'

Mick

^EA^ on UNDERNET.org  and EFnet


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From: Shaun Rader <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: The Saint
Date: 28 Feb 1997 12:06:28 -0800

Matt Gundlach[SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> If you can pick up Seattle radio stations, listen to 107.7 at about 7:30
> Pacifc today (friday)..they'll be playing The Saint too. I'll be making
> a tape of it in case you want to get a copy...mail me at either of these
> addressess...

What??  They're going to play the new Orbital on the radio?  I
can't believe the radio gets to play it over a month before it's
released.  I'm curious to hear what it sounds like...

Anyone know if any Southern California stations are playing it?

Shaun
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Rolling Stone this month...
Date: 28 Feb 1997 15:21:59 -0500 (EST)

Check it out...BIG article on techno movements in the US and where the trend
of music is headed...lots of mention of orbital, underworld and the like...

jamie

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From: Jay Easley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Rolling Stone this month...
Date: 28 Feb 1997 15:06:50 -0600 (CST)



On Fri, 28 Feb 1997 [e-mail] wrote:

> Check it out...BIG article on techno movements in the US and where the trend
> of music is headed...lots of mention of orbital, underworld and the like...
> jamie


    Amazingly enough, there was a 3 page article in yesterday's
    Dallas Morning News (fer chrissake!) about acid house. Orbital
    was mentioned prominently along with FSOL, Chemical Bros., Moby,
    and others. I hope we don't become mainstream...anything but that.


                    Jay



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From: [e-mail] (Benjamin Knowles)
Subject: Re: The Saint
Date: 28 Feb 1997 04:15:05 -0500

Hmmm... I just listened to the realaudio of the Saint,

(http://www.angmulti.demon.co.uk/saint.ram),

and i'm a bit disappointed. Does anyone else think it sounds like the
brothers made a 5th track for the Box EP, but decided to wait until now to
release it? Waaaayy to similar, if you ask me. I mean it's not bad, I just
feel like it's nothing we haven't heard before. Get a new tune, guys.

Random: what is the etymology of the word "choon?" I'd never heard it until
this list, and y'all brits seem to use it a lot. Is it just a metamorphosis
of "tune" along the same lines of "phat?" Whatever happened to the King's
English anyway?

Oh, and I tried to post this already, but I guess it never showed up on the
list... To the orbital virgin - buy Orbital 2 (the brown album) first!
IMHO, it's definately the best primer to their music. It is just so damn
good! Equal parts dancability and musicality. In Sides and Snivilisation
are great, but a bit of a departure from "standard" dance/techno music, so
perhaps less accessible in that respect. Plus, Brown is the first one I
ever heard, and I haven't looked back since.

Feel free to disagree,
Ben


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From: "'lil 'ol joj^" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Saint
Date: 28 Feb 1997 21:56:02 0000

Hi everyone....

Well, I've not much to say, more of a question really.....
  I'm sure I just heard a track on the Radio (Radio1 FM - UK) on Pete
Tong's Essential mix, and it was a track called "Sinner" by
Orbital...I think it's just the name given to the 12" mix of the
Saint track....

AM I CORRECT?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Problems sending mail to list
Date: 28 Feb 1997 16:54:37 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-26 22:22:38 EST, you write:

<< and I'm told the
 Voodoo People single has some decent mixes, including the Chem. Brothers
 mix.. >>
The Voodoo People single is pretty good--has a couple mixes of VP (but the
Chem Bros one bites IMHO) and CJ Bolland remixes No Good (best track on there
I think).  Also has a version of Poison called Rat Poison and the Secret
Knowledge mix of Speedway (better than the original).  A good buy if you like
any of those tunes....

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From: "Seamus (James) Swift" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Saint
Date: 28 Feb 1997 22:01:06 -0000

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 17:05:08 -0500 (EST)

Skids...just let me warn you that you're going to get a biased opinion by
asking this list....we're all pretty much hardcore fans (except for the
occasional "virgin" like you).
Anyway, my advice pretty much correlates with the rest you've seen....ALL of
it's good...I think Brown (Orbital 2) is the best, and Green (Orbital 1) is
the worst, but you certainly can't go wrong w/any of them....just grab what
you can find

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From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: T-Shirt and IRC (Not Related)
Date: 28 Feb 1997 19:15:13 -0500

StarPango wrote:
>
> About the T-Shirt
>         for those of you here in the states that don't enjoy getting an
> International Money Order for a $25 fee BUT have a credit card should hop
> on CdNow and check out Orbital.  There is a Squiggles t-shirt available for
> $17- i just ran across it out of the blue.

Umm, I just checked the page out and I couldn't find an Orbital page but
I did find the Orb one for Orblivion... Orb T-shirts but not ORbital
ones there...

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: chem bros
Date: 28 Feb 1997 20:00:38 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-28 06:35:07 EST, you write:

<<
 I'm waiting for the new Aphex Twin Cd to arrive at my doorstep via my
 friends over at http://www.mass-music.com/... so does anyone have the
 Richard D. James albumn?? Any good?

 -Jon >>
I can't stop playing it.....addictive!!!!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: chemical bros
Date: 28 Feb 1997 20:29:31 EST

i heard that the event was taking place this monday night at the galaxy
in hollywierd.  i am not sure in my source.  i know that it has nothing
to do with the american legion hall or phlip blaine.  i am reeeeeealy
curious to know if this is true and how i can get my chemical ass in.

please help!

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: : Dave's Star Wars Top Ten
Date: 28 Feb 1997 20:29:30 EST

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The Top Ten List

        "Signs You've Seen the 'Star Wars' Movies Too Many Times "

As presented on the 02/21/97 broadcast of LATE SHOW with DAVID LETTERMAN

10. Your poodles are named "C," "3," "P" and "O"
9. You won't sleep with your wife unless she says, "Help me, Obi Wan,
you're my only hope"
8. You spent $10,000 trying to Rogaine yourself into Chewbacca
7. You're continually stunned when the President makes major decisions
without consulting Mark Hamill
6. Your favorite pickup line: "Would you like to handle my light saber?"
5. You keep referring to your lawn mower as "that crazy droid"
4. You spend most of your days trying to use "the Force" to open a can of
pears
3. You once saw an eggplant that looked kind of like Darth Vader and
almost
had a heart attack
2. Your sex life is strictly "Han Solo," if you know what I mean
1. You like Yoda so much, you voted for Ross Perot

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From: Jon Romley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: online cd ordering companies
Date: 28 Feb 1997 18:21:31 -0800

>I just got home from the records stores, and NONE of the stores in my area
>carry Orbital.  Anybody know of any reliable, good cd ordering sites online?
>Thanks.
>
>Also, thanks to everyone for their advice for this Orbital virgin!
>
>Skids


OK, try Mass Music- http://www.mass-music.com/

They have everything Orbital.

They're cheaper than CDnow and they're reliable (I should know,
I did there website and I do all of their graphics)

But seriously, even if I didn'y work for them, I would
recommend them, most of the CDs are between $12 and $14.
I paid $13.70 for Aphex Twin's "Richard D. James Album"
And the same for Second Toughest in The Infants (Underworld).

They can ship ANYWHERE in the WORLD.

I seriously do recommend them over the others.. their search
engine is extremely cool- it does searches phonetically to is
you make a typo, you still get the artist... Pretty Cool eh?
They even have discography (I made that button... ooohhh...aaaaaah)
you can listen to any of the tracks and you get to see the cover too :-)

Pretty Neat-O
-Jon

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From: Jon Romley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: chemical bros
Date: 28 Feb 1997 18:29:35 -0800

>i heard that the event was taking place this monday night at the galaxy
>in hollywierd.  i am not sure in my source.  i know that it has nothing
>to do with the american legion hall or phlip blaine.  i am reeeeeealy
>curious to know if this is true and how i can get my chemical ass in.
>
>please help!

Nobody I've spoken to knows of such a show.

-Jon

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: The Prodigy (actually a Chem Bros comment....)
Date: 28 Feb 1997 16:58:07 -0500 (EST)

In a message dated 97-02-27 15:21:43 EST, you write:

<< It goes without saying that every band, not just The Prodigy, can't sound
 the same with every track they record, they have to change their style in
 order to keep up with the times, otherwise every track they release will
 become exact clones of one another. >>
I seriously think that the Chem Bros have run into this problem....Loops of
Fury was quality, but now I can hardly differentiate between most of their
trax.....

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From: Hans Lo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 11:48:16 -0500 (EST)

> how does Autechre's new album "Chaistic Slide" compare with Envane?
> I am very new to Autechre, I have Envane (all 4 bits) and like it, and
> am thinking about getting the new album.

I keep on hearing so much about this Autechre from this list, but I've
never been able to find anything by them. Where the hell exactly can I get
their CD's? And just how well does their music compare to Oribital?


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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 27 Feb 1997 14:16:35 -0600


> Hey y'all, I'm Skids.  I did my best to get on this mailing list, cuz I
> needs some help:  The only reason I found out about Orbital is cuz of BT,
> who said somewhere that Orbital is one of his favorite bands.  But they
gots
> lots of albums.  Can somebody please recommend a good starting album, or
at
> least tell me a couple of their more solid work?  (Oh, if there's any
albums
> to avoid, I'd appreciate that too.)  Thanks.

Who in the hell is BT?

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From: WALL <[e-mail]>
Subject: halcyon bon jovi/belinda carlisle interlude
Date: 28 Feb 1997 13:49:16 -0500 (EST)


does anyone know if this amazing live versin of halcyon exists on CD
anywhere, bootleg, official release, anything?  I have it on tape, but
i'd love to have it on cd.  they should put it on as a bside to a single
someday.


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From: Nub <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 27 Feb 1997 15:23:49 -0500 (EST)

Among fans, I think you'll find that the "best" orbital albums are In Sides,
(the newest) and Orbital 2 (aka "brown"). My favorite is the latter. I'm not
all that familiar with BT, but I'm sure there are people on this list who
are, and they can probably point you to something along somewhat similar
lines. Orbital's music is fairly broad that way.

No offense to those whose favorite albums are Snivilisation or Green. My
vote for best album for deflowering Orbital virgins would have to be Brown.
After all, that's the first one I heard, and I haven't turned back since.

Hope that helped.
Ben

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From: "michelle." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: and what about?
Date: 27 Feb 1997 15:06:54 -0700 (MST)


** I not laugh. I only found out about it 2 weeks before it was on last year
** and did not have a clue as to what it was b4 I went. Sometimes it pays to
** take a chance. You only live twice??

    i hate living in the us.  :>  anyone know about any good neat
things to go to over here?
    have fun at this years sonar, tim and all who are going.  and
thanks for replying. :)

michelle.
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   let it all go..

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From: [e-mail] (StarPango)
Subject: Re: concert info  --- NON ORBITAL RELATED ---
Date: 28 Feb 1997 14:30:35 -0500

>Tach!
>
>I have a simple question:
>
>Autechre and Apollo440 are going to play here in Hamburg this march.
>Are they worth a visit? What can I expect???
>I'm nearly bankrupt for this month and I don't want to spend useless
>money.....

talk to Loopz and Mick (^EA^) about that one. i know they are going but i
do believe not to that show !!

StarPango

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From: Jon Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Orbital virgin
Date: 28 Feb 1997 16:16:24 +0000

At 06:43 28/02/97 PST, Sean Strout wrote:
>here was my purchase ordering, not that it reflects anything
>about the quality of the works because as everyone rightly says,
>they're all tops:
>
>Diversions, Snivilisation, 2, 1, Insides, Satan 3,1,2, Midnight/Choice,
>Raddicio, Times Fly, Are We Here. (so many more to get...)

Brown is good for a starter because it's so accessible, though In Sides
seems to have appealed to a lot of people who weren't into techno before, so
I guess that would make it the most accessible. Diversions is quite easy to
get into, and varied so I'd say get that. Then again half of it is other
people's remixes, so not really very Orbital. Probably best to leave the
first one and Sniv 'til last, they are less immediate. Satan live 3 is also
worth checking out as one of your first purchases, quite mainstream (well as
mainstream as Orbital get). As has been said before though, none of it's bad
music, just some are easier to get into than others.

>orbital q:

>- on Diversions, Lush (euro...) and Walk About are the same
>extraordinary track.  Do the actual song breaks come between the
>laugher sample?

Yes they do. On the Peel Sessions CD they are id'd as tracks 1 and 2.

Jon


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 target was there pretty as a picture.
 I made the run, let the bomb go,
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From: "Grandmaster Mellie Mel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Problems sending mail to list
Date: 27 Feb 1997 14:18:33 -0000

I heard the new Orbital Single on Radio One here in the UK yesterday and I
think it is very similar to Version 3 of 'The Box'. Paul has said before
that 'The Box' was intended to sound like a film soundtrack and 'The Saint'
is not much different - the same semi-jungly beats, and a looped Saint
sample. It is still very much Orbital though and a top track.

Rich

----------
> From: Anthony Agee <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Problems sending mail to list
> Date: 26 February 1997 22:52
>
> I sent a message asking people to verify a prodigy real audio file I
heard
> on the net and the message never made it.  I think that 1 out of 5 of my
> messages are actually posted.
>
>
> So, to repeat myself (apologies to you!) could someone check out the
> prodigy Real Audio file at http://club.imusic.com.  The first track they
> play is INCREDIBLE but I haven't heard it on Jilted or experience.  In
> addition, the version of Poison and Voodoo People they play is sooo much
> better than the album version.  What singles are they available on?
>
> Orbital related:  A friend told me he heard a snippet of The Saint
Orbital
> song and said it seemed to have *very* little in common with The Box.
>
> I really like The Box (parts 2,3) but the LP version of The Box wasn't so
> great in my honest opinion.
>
>
>

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From: Deng <[e-mail]>
Subject: Aphex review for Jon
Date: 28 Feb 1997 11:53:51 -0600 (CST)




> I'm waiting for the new Aphex Twin Cd to arrive at my doorstep via my
> friends over at http://www.mass-music.com/... so does anyone have the
> Richard D. James albumn?? Any good?
>
> -Jon
>
I don't have the domestic release yet (that's what I deserve for buying
the import the first time I saw it),  but since the tracks are basically
the same (you'll get 5 more), here's my critique.
    All that stuff that people say about drum n'bass popping up on
this album -- it's crap.  Aphex simply uses staccato bursts of drums to
counter his beautiful melodies.  Basically, this album is, say, Selected
Ambient Works 85-92 speeded up.  Of course, simply saying that is short-
changing him greatly, but I think its an alright generalization.
    If you don't have SAW 85-92, this review wouldn't do you much
good, so I'll elaborate.  Most of the songs are very short (under 3:30),
and chaotic.  The rhythms move very frenetically and are at times
irritating (for instance the song "To Cure a Weakling Child").  It is not
my favorite album by him, but by no means does that critique make it
bad.  It is still light years ahead of the pack, and his ability to
create melody and accentuate it with rhythm comes through yet again.
Compared to In-Sides, say, it certainly does not hold up as a complete
album, but each track taken independently is certainly more progressive
than any other album I've heard this year.


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Subject: Yahoo !
Date: 26 Feb 1997 14:51:21 -0000

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I just bought the US import of In Sides on CD.
It's got a bonus CD with Times Fly(slow) , Sad But New, Times Fly(Fast),
Tranquilizer, The Box (28 minute version).
Now I can play it at work aswell as my record player at home.

Why has the U.S. version got another CD ?




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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orbital) the mack
Date: 01 Feb 1997 02:49:30 -0600

>more keith singing
More? I've heard him....uhh......shout on Firestarter. Is that even
classified as singing?  Christ.....I could do without more of THAT.


BTW, totally off topic.  Have Prodigy released any new material since
Jilted besides Breathe and Firestarter? I've heard this Real Audio file of
them playing live last year and they have some great stuff on there that is
not on any albums they've done.


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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Prodigy at that fashion show thing
Date: 03 Feb 1997 21:39:05 -0600

I had commented earlier this year about the Prodigy showing up on that MTV
fashion show with Republica, Tricky and somebody else.  I think that their
performance was incredible.  Sure, Keith and that Maxim guy don't do
anything for the music, but the shouting changes the nature of the music
into a more manic, rock-ish vibe which is kind of refreshing. By no means
do I hope this is a trend (and based on Prodigy's success I'll bet you it
is copied) but I kinda like it.



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From: "Anthony Agee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orbital) Orbital speaking about Loopz
Date: 03 Feb 1997 21:42:08 -0600

Its kinda disappointing that P&P aren't familiar with our discussion group.
 Of course, I'm sure they're  too busy to bother with it....but if I were
lucky enough to have their talent I'd love to hear from my fans.


BTW, anybody familiar with Latryx (or is it Latyryx?)?


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