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Originally compiled by David Schuetz
Currently maintained by Matt Denault
(mdenault@pomona.edu)
or (echoes-faq@fawnya.tcs.com)
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With help from all over the world!
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The FAQ is broken down into four sections, as follows:
Section 1 - General Information
The first section is general information, and
includes stuff like lists of albums, videos, tour
personnel, set lists, etc.
Section 2 - The Early Years
The second section covers their "early years," that
is, _Piper_ through _Obscured by Clouds_.
Section 3 - The Glory Years
The third section is the "glory years" (and any
discussion regarding this time frame *not* being
the time of their greatest glory will be ignored).
This section covers DSotM through _The Wall_.
Section 4 - After the Wall
The fourth section covers TFC through TDB and beyond,
the various solo albums, and general trivia that doesn't
fit anywhere else.
In addition to these four parts, there is the "Pink Floyd Internet Reference
List," which details how to access various other Internet sources of Floyd
information, such as FTP sites, WWW servers, IRC channels, Usenet newsgroups,
and the Echoes mailing list.
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Section 2 - The Early Years
[-] 01. "What's being said at the beginning of 'Astronomy Domine'?"
[-] 02. "What does 'Pow R. Toc H.' mean?"
[+] 03. "What was 'Let's Roll Another One'?"
[-] 04. "What is 'Chapter 24' about, anyway?"
[+] 05. "What was the song list for the original US _Piper_ release?"
[*] 06. "What did Syd do after being ousted from Pink Floyd?"
[-] 07. "I heard a different lyric to 'Point Me at the Sky'!"
[-] 08. "Who is 'Eugene,' and why should he be careful with that axe?"
[+] 09. "What are the parts of 'A Saucerful of Secrets' called?"
[-] 10. "Does Syd Barrett play on any tracks on ASoS?"
[*] 11. "What's happening in the middle of live versions of 'Cymbaline'?"
[-] 12. "What does the Pict say in 'Several Species....'?"
[+] 13. "What were 'The Man' and 'The Journey'?"
[+] 14. "Where do the parts of the 'Atom Heart Mother Suite' start/end?"
[+] 15. "Who is 'Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast' written for?"
[+] 16. "Is Relics available on CD?"
[-] 17. "What is said at the end of 'Fearless'?"
[-] 18. "'One of These Days' tidbits..."
[-] 19. "I heard a concert recording with a different verse for 'Echoes'!"
[-] 20. "What was played on the BBC's John Peel show?"
[-] 21. "The lyrics to 'Echoes' on the server are wrong!!!"
[-] 22. "There's a different verse for 'Free Four' in the movie."
[-] 23. "The running order on the OBC tape is wrong."
- Same as last version
+ Changed since last version
* New since last version
This Document Copyright 1994, 1995 by the Echoes Mailing List and its Members
For questions on distribution, contact: echoes-faq@fawnya.tcs.com
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[-] 01. "What's being said at the beginning of 'Astronomy Domine'?"
That's Peter Jenner (the Floyd's manager) listing a bunch of stars, galaxies,
and other stuff through a megaphone. Exactly what's being said is real hard
to decipher, but here's what Mark Brown and I have managed:
"Moon in both [houses]..."
"...Scorpio, [Arabian Skies], Libra..."
"...Pluto was not discovered until 1930..."
And then a bit that seems to be a pre-flight countdown:
"...[two/ten] seconds to [ignition]..."
"...all systems satisfied..."
Then, in the middle section of the song, you can hear something like:
"...just completed orbital..."
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[-] 02. "What does 'Pow R. Toc H.' mean?"
Well, most people seem to feel it means "Power Toke" or "Power Tokage" or
something along those lines. Another suggestion is "Power Touch," but the
problem with that is that the space is between the C and H, not between O
and C. Then again, my thought, "Power Torch," has the same problem.
Anyway, this next bit clears up half the mystery, courtesy of Steve South
and the Longmans Encyclopaedia:
Toc H, an interdenominational Christian fellowship of men and women
of every social background, with branches throughout the world, which
seeks to promote an understanding of the meaning and purpose of life
through unreserved involvement in the community. Founded in 1915, it
started its work in a soldiers' club at Talbot House (Toc H was the army
signallers' designation of the initials TH) at Poperingtie, Flanders.
Incorporated by royal charter in 1922, it is organized in groups and
maintains residential houses called 'marks'.
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[+] 03. "What was 'Let's Roll Another One'?"
The flip side to Pink Floyd's first single, "Arnold Layne," was originally a
song called "Let's Roll Another One." Now, the Floyd were already known to
be heavily connected with the drug-influenced psychedelic underground, but
their record company wasn't about to release anything with such a blatent
drug reference. So they had Floyd change the song.
The extent of the changes made are purely a matter of speculation, as no one
I've talked to has ever heard the original. Waters has said they "had to
change *all* the lyrics" (emphasis added). However, a line of the original
song, as quoted by Mason, was "tastes right if you eat it right." This is
awfully similar to a lyric ("tastes good if you eat it soon") in the revised
version of the song, "Candy and a Currant Bun." So most probably, the
changes were in detail; and not a total reworking.
There are some RoIOs that claim to include this song, but to the best of my
knowledge, none of these are actually the original song. Mostly, they're just
bad recordings of disconnected guitar phrases, with a lot of noise, wow,
flutter, and general garbage all about. And no lyrics whatsoever.
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[-] 04. "What is 'Chapter 24' about, anyway?"
[From a posting by Gerhard:]
Well, since we've been discussing this a lot, I have found the answer.
As I was going to my local bookstore I found a book called I Ching (the
book of changes) in an English translation, and I did look up Chapter 24
and guess what ??
It's called "Fu" meaning Change/success (like in "Change become success"
and is a very nearly transcript of this song. It contains lines like:
"A movement is accomplished in 6 stages, and the 7th brings return," only
paraprased.
Also from the same chapter:
"The 7 is the number of the Young wise, it forms when darkness [.. == 6 ..]
is increased by 1."
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[+] 05. "What was the song list for the original US _Piper_ release?"
The US release of _Piper_ was a bit different than the UK release. Here
are the track lists for both of them [from a posting by bear]:
us release of 'piper at the gates of dawn'
* see emily play
= pow r. toch
= take up my stethoscope and walk
lucifer sam
matilda mother
the scarecrow
the gnome
chapter 24
interstellar overdrive
uk release of 'piper at the gates of dawn'
* astronomy domine
lucifer sam
matilda mother
* flaming
= pow r. toc h.
= take up thy stethoscope and walk
interstellar overdrive
the gnome
chapter 24
scarecrow
* bike
Note also that the double-album _A Nice Pair_ is almost, but not quite,
_Piper_. The version of "Astronomy Domine" that appeared on the original
US Capitol pressings of ANP is not the original studio version, but was
instead the live version that appears on _Ummagumma_. Other than that,
it is identical to the original UK _Piper_.
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[*] 06. "What did Syd do after being ousted from Pink Floyd?"
In addition to making the _Madcap Laughs_ and _Barrett_ albums, doing a set
on the Top Gear Show (released on _The Peel Session_ EP), and recording
the songs that were used to make up _Opel_, Syd was also involved in the
following musical activities in his post-Floyd days:
+ Wrote/recorded several songs which have never seen the light of day,
such as "Bob Dylan Blues," "Just Before You Disappear," "Lanky, pt.2,"
"Living Alone," and "Rhamadan."
+ Played with David Gilmour (bass) and Jerry Shirley (drums) at the Olympia
Extravaganza Music and Fashion Festival, on June 6th, 1970. They played
"Terrapin," "Gigolo Aunt," "Effervescing Elephant," and "Octopus."
+ Played guitar at an Eddie Burns show in January, 1972, at the King's
College Cellar. He was joined by Delivery's Jack Monck on bass and Pink
Fairies' drummer Twink.
+ Briefly joined Twink and Monck in a group called "Stars." They made
several appearances in small cafes and such, and did one major gig in
February, 1972 at the Cambridge Corn Exchange. Here they played
"Octopus," "Dark Globe," "Gigolo Aunt," "Baby Lemonade," "Waving My
Arms in the Air," "Lucifer Sam," and some blues 12-bars.
The band's rehearsals were taped, but have never been released.
+ Made several attempts at recording a third solo album, mostly at the
insistence of his management. One attempt had him overdubbing several
guitar parts over each other -- this session was abandoned. Later, in
November 1974, Syd returned to the studio again. Only backing tracks
were recorded; and these, along with any lyrics from this period, have
never been released.
+ Played accoustic guitar with Jack Bruce at a poetry reading performance.
See P4Q34 for info on Syd's current condition and pursuits...
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[-] 07. "I heard a different lyric to 'Point Me at the Sky'!"
When the group sang the song on their 01/14/69 Top Gear performance,
(found on many RoIOs) they used a slightly different second verse.
While the original goes
If you survive 'til two thousand and five
I hope you're exceedingly thin
Because if you are stout
you will have to breathe out
> to let the people around you breathe in
on the Top Gear performance they sang
> so the man next to you can breathe in
Not too big a difference, really, but it tends to surprise people when they
first hear it...
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[-] 08. "Who is 'Eugene,' and why should he be careful with that axe?"
Well, there used to be an interesting story that explained both the
identity of the protagonist and how Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
lost his right-hand ring finger. However, it turns out that the story
isn't exactly true (Garcia is missing the finger, but his brother's
name is not Eugene, it's Tiff.)
Here are two more possibilities:
"Careful with that Axe, Eugene" was the flip side of "Point Me at the Sky."
Some people believe that PMatS starts off with the line
Hey, Eugene
This is Henry McClean
And I've finished my beautiful flying machine
(which, BTW, is another debate, for another time).
Anyway, Chris Coffman mentioned this:
I really don't want to add more fuel to this thread, but I just played
"Point Me at the Sky" (my roomate's first ever exposure to this song).
My roomate seems to remember a book from his childhood called "Eugene
and His Flying Machine," or something like that. He thinks it may have
had another kid in it named Henry. I don't want anyone thinking I'm
setting this forth as fact, but does anyone know of such a book?
Well, this rings a bell for me, and so I've been trying to track it down,
if it indeed exists. The closest I've come so far is a book called "Wizzard
McBean [ryhmes with McClean] and his Flying Machine," which is out of print.
Also, R. Brigham Lampert came up with the following:
In the early 1960's there was a small serial killing spree in the area
of London near the river Thames. After three or four murders, a suspect
was caught. That suspect's name was Eugene Craft. He was tried and
found guilty. Hence, "Careful" might be referring to that incident.
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[+] 09. "What are the parts of 'A Saucerful of Secrets' called?"
On the album ASoS, the title track is simply called "A Saucerful of Secrets."
On some pressings of _Ummagumma_, however, the piece is broken down into four
sections. These sections are called:
a. "Something Else" 00:00 (ominous opening noises)
b. "Syncopated Pandemonium" 03:57 (with the drum tape-loop and such)
c. "Storm Signal" 07:16 (organ-based section)
d. "Celestial Voices" 10:14 (closing spacey part with the voices)
(...with times courtesy Charles Saeger)
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[-] 10. "Does Syd Barrett play on any tracks on ASoS?"
Gilmour said (in Guitar World, Feb. '93):
He's on three or four...tracks on the album, including "Remember A Day"
and "Jug Band [Blues]". He's also on a tiny bit of "Set The Controls
For The Heart Of The Sun."
A February 1992 article in Record Collector also suggests he may have been
on "Corporal Clegg," which is echoed in Schaffner's book. The "Crazy Diamond"
book notes "See Saw" as another possibility.
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[*] 11. "What's happening in the middle of live versions of 'Cymbaline'?"
During some live versions on "Cymbaline," there's a pause of several minutes
in the middle of the song, where you can hear all sorts of strange noises.
This was in fact the Floyd showing off their sound system -- the famous
Azimuth Co-ordinator.
In addition to their normal quadraphonic setup, they would (location
permitting) also set up speakers on multiple levels -- on balconies and such.
They would then, using a joystick control, send sounds up and down stairs,
around the audience, and all about the concert hall. This is what you're
hearing.
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[-] 12. "What does the Pict say in 'Several Species....'?"
First off, what *is* a Pict?
Pict : A member of a possibly non-Celtic people who once occupied
Great Britain, carried on continual border wars with the Romans, and
about the ninth century became amalgamated with the Scots.
As to what's being said, that's hard to say. But I think it's been accepted
that it's somebody (probably Waters) imitating a Scottish accent. The
following are two interpretations, the first by Brian Tompsett, and the
second by Mike Merriam.
Brian Tompsett
-==============-
Aye an' a bit of Mackeral settler rack and ruin
ran it doon by the haim, 'ma place
well I slapped me and I slapped it doon in the side
and I cried, cried, cried.
The fear a fallen down taken never back the raize
and then Craig Marion, get out wi' ye Claymore out mi pocket
a' ran doon, doon the middin stain
picking the fiery horde that was fallen around ma feet.
Never he cried, never shall it ye get me alive
ye rotten hound of the burnie crew.
Well I snatched fer the blade O my Claymore
cut and thrust and I fell doon before him round his feet.
Aye!
A roar he cried
frae the bottom of his heart that I would nay fall but as dead,
dead as 'a can be by his feet; de ya ken?
...and the wind cried back.
Mike Merriam
-=============-
Aye an' a bit of Mackeral (Fagger, wreck'n) fear
Ran it doon by the (haim)
And I (flew).
When I (slapped) me,
And I flopped it doon in the shade,
And I cried, cried, 'n cried.
The fear o' fallen down 'a taken, ne'er back t' raise.
And then cried Mary,
And I took that weighted claymore right out of (---),
And ran doon, doon the mountain side,
And back unt' the fiery horde that was fall'n round y' feet.
Never, I cried,
Never shall ye take me alive,
Y' rotten hound and the (----- --rew).
Well I (snapped fore) the blade o' my claymore,
Cut and thrust,
And I fell down before him.
Right at his feet. Aye!
A roar, he cried,
Fr' the bottom of his heart,
That I would nay fall
But as dead,
Dead as I can, by feat
(D' ya ken?)
And the wind cried Mary.
There has been much discussion on echoes as to whether he is saying "and the
wind cried back" or "and the wind cried Mary" in that last line. I guess
just listen real closely, try to isolate the left and right channels, and
make up your own mind...
Also, from Adam Winstanley:
Regarding Several Species...the most recent edition of the Amazing
Pudding has a short piece on that. Waters does most of it but if you
have one of those old record players that can do 16rpm you can hear
Gilmour in the middle somewhere ["This is pretty avant-garde isn't
it..."] and if you speed it up to 78rpm you can hear "bring back my
guitar." Ron Geesin isn't on the track although he parodied it on a
track called "To Roger Waters, Where-ever you are."
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[+] 13. "What were 'The Man' and 'The Journey'?"
[With much help from Adam Winstanley and others]:
In fact several concert recordings exist of The Man and The Journey and
many people probably possess RoIOs of these pieces without realising it.
The Man and The Journey were two parts of "More Furious Madness From The
Massed Gadgets of Auximenies" and consisted of several well-known Floyd
tunes linked into a concept piece as follows:
MORE FURIOUS MADNESS FROM THE MASSED GADGETS OF AUXIMENIES
PART ONE: THE MAN (representing a day in the life of a man)
Daybreak ("Granchester Meadows")
Work and Afternoon ("Biding My Time")
[the band was served afternoon tea on stage at this point]
Doing It (instrumental) ("Grand Vizier's Garden Party, pt 3")
Sleep
Nightmare ("Cymbaline")
Daybreak (reprise)
PART TWO: THE JOURNEY
The Beginning ("Green is the Colour")
Beset By Creatures of the Deep ("Careful with that Axe, Eugene")
The Narrow Way ("The Narrow Way, pt 3")
The Pink Jungle ("Pow R Toc H")
The Labyrinths of Auximenes ("Moonhead")
Behold the Temple of Light ("Nile Song"-based instrumental)
The End of the Beginning ("Saucerful of Secrets" - final part)
The complete piece lasted about 70 minutes.
This information comes from the 1969 Pink Floyd tour programme, parts of
which were reproduced in an early Amazing Pudding (No. 13, I think) and
also from listening to RoIOs and tapes from this period:
+ 14 April 69: Royal Festival Hall, London
(I think the original performance.)
+ 8th August 69: Plumpton Festival
(The Journey only -- Roger introduces it as "the second half of...a kind
of concept thing...we did around the country a bit earlier this year.")
+ 17 September 69: Concertgebouw, Amsterdam
(This was broadcast on Dutch radio and versions exist with the radio
announcer saying some of the titles given above. From the recent Amazing
Puddings and Brain Damage I see this is available on CD RoIO. It also used
to on a vinyl RoIO called _The Man_.)
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[+] 14. "Where do the parts of the 'Atom Heart Mother Suite' start/end?"
The "Atom Heart Mother Suite" is a side-long instrumental split into
six different, named parts. Most of the divisions are marked by a return
of the main theme of the piece, played by everybody (group and orchestra).
Beyond this, there is some controversy over where each section starts and
ends. The EMI and MFSL versions of the disc have index markers; they are
essentially the same on both discs (give or take a few seconds), and are
given below. Many echoesians, however, are somewhat unsatisfied with these
divisions, and so have developed an alternative indexing scheme. This is
also given below, along with an explanation...
Section Title EMI/MFSL Index echoes
---------------------------------+----------------+----------------
a. "Father's Shout" | 05:20 | 02:59
b. "Breast Milky" | 10:09 | 05:22
c. "Mother Fore" | 15:26 | 10:11
d. "Funky Dung" | 17:44 | 15:25
e. "Mind Your Throats Please" | 19:49 | 17:44
f. "Remergence" | ..end | ..end
The first part, naturally, is "Father's Shout," with all the weird sounds,
horses, and ends with the motorcycle.
The second part, "Breast Milky," starts off as a duet for organ and viola;
and gradually includes drums, guitar, and the rest of the orchestra. (2:59)
Then "Mother Fore" begins. This section is a quiet choral section, with
mostly chorus and organ. (5:22)
"Funky Dung" has a lot of guitar, strong bass, and that weird choir singing
things that sound vaguely like "toast....coffee...yeah...." or "saa saa saa
saa saaa.....brrrrrrrrrroooooooooonnnn." (10:11)
"Mind Your Throats Please" is the strange (like it's not all strange?) part
that begins with alternating organ notes. After the slower beginning with
organ and such, a section that echoes has been calling the "Overload" section
begins, with lots of out-of-sync voices and sounds; sounding a bit like the
Beatles' "Revolution 9." This is either part of "Mind Your Throats" or
"Remergence," depending on whose opinion you ask. (15:25)
"Remergence," then, is the climactic final section, where the main theme
gradually "re-emerges." (17:44)
-=-
As you can see, the main argument lies in the question of the lengths of
"Father's Shout" versus "Remergence." I guess this just goes to show how
subjective some of these things can be...
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[+] 15. "Who is 'Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast' written for?"
It's named for Alan Stiles, a roadie of Floyd's back then. The band was
never very happy with this piece, even though it was played in several
concerts. Early British pressings of the album had the sound of the water
dripping from the tap continue into the trail-off groove in the record,
allowing some turntables to play dripping water forever (or until someone
turns it off, whichever came first).
The song is divided into three named sections:
a. "Rise and Shine" 00:00
b. "Sunny Side Up" 04:22
c. "Morning Glory" 08:17
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[+] 16. "Is Relics available on CD?"
Not currently.
It was at one time rumoured to be part of a special boxed set (of CDs from
_Piper_ through DSotM), and also has been available in the past as a limited
product in Europe. This rumour has never been proven true. Then, for a
while, it *was* available in New Zealand under the Axis label (with the
"ancient coins" cover); but this release wasn't approved by the band, and
has since been dropped.
A forthcoming remastered edition was announced in a Dutch publication during
the last tour (many of the remasters are made in Holland). However, there
has been no further word of this; so, for the time being, it seems best to
regard this as a rumour.
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[-] 17. "What is said at the end of 'Fearless'?"
The chanting you hear at the end of "Fearless" is from a football (or
soccer, if you're American) game in Liverpool. It's "You'll Never Walk
Alone," originally from the Rodgers and Hammerstein musical "Carousel."
A really popular cover of "You'll Never Walk..." was done by Gerry and
The Pacemakers, and it was this version which was "adopted" as the sort
of anthem for the Liverpool team, and is even engraved over the gate at
their home stadium. The recording on _Meddle_ is sung by Liverpool's
loyal fans, and includes:
And you'll never walk / alone / in the dark / alone
Followed by some screaming, whistling, then
LIVERPOOL LIVERPOOL LIVERPOOL!
For "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" fans, part of "You'll Never Walk
Alone" is sung by Eddie, the ship's computer, at the end of Chapter 17.
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[-] 18. "'One of These Days' tidbits..."
The voice in the middle of "One of These Days" is Nick Mason, and he says
"One of these days I'm going to cut you into little pieces."
At about 3:00 or so, there's a faint organ riff that sounds a lot like
the Dr. Who theme to a lot of people.
Also, from Scott Eberline (with help from Gerhard):
In the Westwood One broadcast of Waters' Quebec performance of
_Radio KAOS_, a member of the audience asked Waters who it was he
wanted to cut into little pieces. Apparently this brought back
fond memories for Waters, who replied that it was an English disk
jockey named Jimmy Young. The song was meant as a personal
attack. The band used to play bits and pieces of Jimmy Young's
radio show spliced together in a completely nonsensical manner,
immediately before playing "One of These Days".
[Example -- on the RoIO "Lost in the Corridors," during "Alan's Psychedelic
Breakfast," you can hear things like "Georgia, lovely greenwood" and "And
here's for you, Monkey doo."]
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[-] 19. "I heard a concert recording with a different verse for 'Echoes'!"
The Floyd, in their pre-Animals days, often performed as-yet unrecorded
tracks in concert ("Murderistic Woman," "Raving and Drooling", etc.)
These would often undergo significant changes before appearing on albums,
and "Echoes" is such a case.
The opening verse of "Echoes" originally had a "space" theme, and several
RoIOs exist with these lyrics. One is called "Mauerspecte" (which, BTW,
has been known to be defective many times, so try before you buy). It
comes from Berlin on 5 June, 1971. Another recording of the same show
is available on "Lost in the Corridors."
Here are a few attempts at deciphering the lyrics, the first by Jonathan
Baumgartner, the next two by bear and Gerhard den Hollander, and finally a
bit from Piet de Bondt:
??? sitting face to face
Onto the ??? now sweep
If ever swinging light ???
A path in union deep in space
Ever might this monster land(?)
And fearlessly, two shadows watch
??? (can't understand this whole line)
And if that volume(?) to be won
the parting song sound is gone
I'll see you got to travel on
and on and on around the sun
Then comes the "Strangers passing in the street" verse.
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(bear) (Gerhard)
Planets sitting face to face Planets sitting face to face
Sun to the air and land how sweet bound to the air of life, how sweet
In every single lighting place in ever single fighting pace
The planet here in dreaming space the planet here is deep in space
Perfect night this was so grand Echoes might this once were land
And give us leave to share as one And give us leave to share as one
Our two lights in the land Our two lights in the land
For one light can For one light can
And in that coming to the one And in that coming to the one
The parting sighs sound as one The parting sighs sound as one
I see you've got to travel on I see you've got to travel on
And on and on around the sun. And on and on around the sun
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and P.C. de Bondt's 2 cents worth.
1st verse:
- 2nd line: Sun -> Run
land -> round
- 3rd line: In -> If
3rd verse:
- 2nd line: sighs sound as one -> song of sound is gone
This one is rather interesting--if anyone finds a boot from a different date,
or with a clearer recording and can make out more lyrics, please post and let
us know!
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[-] 20. "What was played on the BBC's John Peel show?"
These shows include some of the best "live" performances of early Floyd
material. Here's some information (from "Journey Through Time & Space..."
(as posted by Adam Stanley)):
16 September, 1970. Paris Theatre, London UK.
"Sounds of the Seventies: John Peel Show," BBC 1 Radio.
Broadcast at 6:00 pm
(This is the broadcast of the show; the recording date is unknown,
but it was probably a few days prior to this.)
The Embryo - 10:30
Green Is The Colour/Careful With That Axe Eugene - 11:30
If - 4:30
Atom Heart Mother - 26:00
Total time: 55:00
(This is the only live performance of "If" (as far as we know) by the Floyd,
with Roger on acoustic guitar and Rick on bass and organ simulanetously.
"Atom Heart Mother" was performed with the accompaniment of The Philip
Jones Brass Ensemble.)
30 September, 1971. BBC's Paris Theatre, London UK.
Recording for the "John Peel Show"
Recorded live on the 30th, and broadcast on 5 October on BBC 1
(Yes, folks..it's the 5th, not the 3rd, check your 1971 calenders!)
Broadcast at 10:00 pm, BBC 1 Radio, London UK.
Embryo - 10:30
Blues - 5:00
Fat Old Sun - 15:00
One Of These Days - 8:00
Echoes - 28:00
Total time: 68:00
Note: "The John Peel Show" was only 55 minutes long. "Embryo" and "Blues"
were never broadcast in the UK. They were only aired on WNEW-FM, New York
City, USA (sometime in 1971?) This WNEW portion was broadcast only once,
unfortunately. The 5 October 1971 and 16 September 1971 shows are
re-broadcast nearly every year in the USA on the "King Biscuit Flour
Hour." However, it is a combination version of the two shows and is
incomplete.
This is some additional information that I have figured out on my own.
The version of "Embryo" that most people have is from the 1970 show. It
is easily identified by the Echoes-like section in the middle. The version
of "Embryo" from 1971 is much different. It is available on the Wavelengths
RoIO. Almost all of the CD RoIOs of these shows are combination, except
for the Swinging Pigs discs, and one called Early Tour Years, which is a
double disc with each show on its own disc. And as a side note: When the
BBC recorded the _Dark Side_ show at Wembley in 1974 for a broadcast, they
also recorded "Echoes," but it has never been aired. So as a result, we
are missing a great version of "Echoes," with a sax solo!
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[-] 21. "The lyrics to 'Echoes' on the server are wrong!!!"
Well, maybe they are, and maybe they aren't. This has been discussed to
death (and then some) on the list, and what you see on the server represents
about the best compromise that we have been able to achieve.
Okay. We'll get into one particular about this song, and hopefully that'll
help keep the noise level down. Does the line say "Everything is green and
submarine" or "Everything is green and summery?"
Proposition: It says "submarine."
Supporting evidence: [thank you, Dean Herbert]
1) "Overhead the albatross" - albatrosses are ocean birds.
2) "Deep beneath the rolling waves" - Certainly implies the ocean.
3) "Labyrinths of coral caves" - Coral, get it? CORAL. OCEANS.
4) "Everything is green" - it's the color of the OCEAN WATER.
5) "And submarine." - submarine is being used as an adjective here,
not a noun. ADJECTIVE. ADJECTIVE. NOT NOUN. GET IT?
And, of course, in the _Shine On_ lyrics, it's "submarine."
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[-] 22. "There's a different verse for 'Free Four' in the movie."
[Thanks to Geoff Rimmer (grimmer@nyx.cs.du.edu) for this one.]
I don't remember seeing this in the FAQ or on the mailing list, so for those
who haven't rushed out and bought the video of "The Valley Obscured By
Clouds" (Warner Home Video. Cost me $69.95 + POSTAGE!), here are the lyrics
of Free Four in the film version:
(fades in ...)
Are the deeds of a man in his prime
You shuffle in the gloom of a sick room
And talk to yourself as you die
And life is a short warm moment
And death is a long cold rest (*)
You get your chance to try
In the twinkling of an eye
In eighty years with luck
Or even less
So take my advice }
And cut yourself a slice } This is roughly the same
And try not to make it too big } tune as "So all aboard for
'Cos things are hard to grow } the American tour...
And I can tell you } you may find it hard to get
'Cos I know } off"
It's better not to make yourself sick. }
(jumps horribly to the following...)
He was buried like a mole in a foxhole
And everyone's still on the run
And who is the master of foxhounds
And who says the hunt has begun? (*)
And who calls the tune in the courtroom (*)
And who beats the funeral drum? (*)
The memories of a man in his old age
Are the deeds of a man in his prime
You shuffle in the gloom of a sick room
... (fades out)
(*) are sung differently from the OBC album.
[Note that the film has dialogue over the top of the music, and this version
isn't available without the dialogue, at least not that we know of.]
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[-] 23. "The running order on the OBC tape is wrong."
Yup. Not sure why that was done. Sometimes the order of songs is changed
for cassettes, in order to make it all fit on a shorter amount of tape
(without wasting extra tape at the end of one side because of a longer
opposite side). That's probably what's happened here.
The original running order was as follows:
Obscured by Clouds
When You're In
Burning Bridges
The Gold it's in The...
Wots...uh the Deal
Mudmen
Childhood's End
Free Four
Stay
Absolutely Curtains
And the "modified" running order is:
Obscured by Clouds
When You're In
Burning Bridges
The Gold...
-> Free Four
-> Mudmen
-> Childhood's End
-> Wot's ...
Stay
Absolutely Curtains
NOTE: A similar discrepency has been noted for the tape of _Ummagumma_, which
apparently excluded about half the album in some releases (for a one-
tape release).
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