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$Title{Nixon Tapes, The
April 17, 1973. (9:47am - 9:59am)}
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$Date{1974}
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Title: Nixon Tapes, The
Author: Various
Date: 1974
April 17, 1973. (9:47am - 9:59am)
Meeting: President Nixon and John Haldeman, Oval Office
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Band Music
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HR Haldeman: Yes, Sir.
Pres. Nixon: Oh, hello - sit down. I was thinking that we probably ought to
use John Connally more to try to hammer out what our strategy
is here on Watergate.
Pres. Nixon: Rose, I am sorry I didn't intend to push your button now.
Secretary: OK.
Pres. Nixon: Thank you, Rose, I will call you later.
HR Haldeman: The only question there would be whether we ought to meet
earlier on the basis that, well, we -
Pres. Nixon: I understand I can't I have the Italian for a while. I could
meet at 12:30. No, after that - 1:00 o'clock.
HR Haldeman: The reason being, and the only reason, there is felt to be - and
we may not want to react to it but we may - there is felt to be
- Colson, for instance, called Ehrlichman this morning and said
that his sources around town, department sources and
everything, say that we've got one more day to act on our
initiative.
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HR Haldeman: And that all these breaks, this White House is all over town.
Pres. Nixon: So we may have to go today.
HR Haldeman: And you have also seen or know the Angeles Times has the story.
Pres. Nixon: About (unintelligible)
HR Haldeman: The White House has got to move, and the thought is that if we
are going to move today we probably ought to meet earlier, so
we are ready to move by three o'clock or 3:30 or something.
Pres. Nixon: Fine. Ok. If you just get together. I think we have to move
today.
John Dean: Well, if we look like we have anything, we have to get out in
front some way.
Pres. Nixon: Well you might have to give them the full report today the way
it is breaking so fast. Let me say that the problem you've got
he - I had quite a long talk with Rogers, etc. - of course he
was much more rational than Len. Len's (unintelligible). On
the other hand, you've got the problem of you and John sort of
being nibbled to death over a period of time.
John Dean: Yep.
Pres. Nixon: And by not moving, having a situation where, frankly, the
chances of your being - I mean of your being publicly attacked
and also even the steam of the prosecution is cater. You know
what I mean. It is a curious thing, but I am afraid that is
the way it operates. You know every day there is some damn
little thing that somebody touts around with, you see. So
everything can be explained and try to defend and all that sort
of thing. But I am not prepared to make that suggestion, but I
want you to talk to John about it.
John Dean: Yes. Ok.
Pres. Nixon: Dean met with Liddy on June 19th, must have been when he did it.
He was in California in January but that is irrelevant. But
they keep banging around and banging around. The prosecution
gets out the damn stuff. Did John talk with you about it?
John Dean: Yes, he mentioned it. Dean did tell us that story in Ehrlichman's
office last week or two weeks ago.
Pres. Nixon: But not to go all through this.
John Dean: I don't think so.
Pres. Nixon: Yes.
John Dean: I think I mentioned it to you. Remember I described the story to
you in some detail (unintelligible) walked down 17th Street -
Pres. Nixon: This was all after we had started our own investigation.
John Dean: Oh, yeah.
Pres. Nixon: I mean it wasn't back then. It wouldn't indicate that we knew
about all this, etc. Another thing, if you could get John and
yourself to sit down and do some hard thinking about what kind
of strategy you are going to have with the money. You know
what I mean.
John Dean: Yes.
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Material unrelated to President's actions deleted.
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Pres. Nixon: Look, you've got to call Kalmbach so I want to be sure. I want
to try to find out what the hell he is going to say he told
Kalmbach? What did Kalmbach say he told him? Did he say they
wanted this money for support or -
John Dean: I don't know. John has been talking to Kalmbach.
Pres. Nixon: Well, be sure that Kalmbach is at least aware of this, that
LaRue has talked very freely. He is a broken man. The other
thing is that this destruction of the (unintelligible) things
is troublesome, of course. John tells me, too, and basically
the culprit is Pat Gray. Does Colson know about that? Is that
why they are calling Colson because Colson was in the room when
it was handed to Gray?
HR Haldeman: No he wasn't. Well, apparently he wasn't.
Pres. Nixon: He says he wasn't?
John Dean: Colson thought, well there was a meeting before that, where they
talked about the deep-sixing and all that supposedly.
Pres. Nixon: He was in that meeting?
John Dean: Which Colson was supposed to have been in.
Pres. Nixon: Right, right, right.
John Dean: Colson thought, well there was a meeting before flatly says that
there was never anything where he was where there was a
discussion of Hunt getting out of the country. Kehrli says the
same thing. He was supposed to be at the same meeting. In
fact, Ehrlichman has checked everyone who was at that meeting
and nobody recalls that being said except Dean. And we now
have the point that Dean is the one who called Liddy and told
him to telephone Hunt to get out of the country and then called
him later and said not to.
Pres. Nixon: I would like a policy. I think, Bob, we have to think, I must
say, we've got to think about a positive move. I think it
ought to be today.
John Dean: I agree.
Pres. Nixon: I think it should be at 3:00 today. We have already, I hope the
story doesn't break today in -
John Dean: Even if it does you can get into cycle with it.
Pres. Nixon: Yeah. Well, I don't want to be answering it.
John Dean: No.
Pres. Nixon: That is the problem with this Italian here. I want a thing done
today and you and John have got to think, frankly, in terms,
let me say, not just in terms as a national group for the
President and all that - but also you have to think in terms of
having this damn thing continue to be dragged up bit by bit and
answers dragged out bit by bit, anyway, I suppose. But the
point is that Dean's incentive with the U.S. Attorney,
incentive with everybody else will be this and that, you get my
point?
John Dean: Yep.
Pres. Nixon: I am sure you and John can talk about it. You see what's
happened, the prosecutor has been pretty clever. They got
Magruder. Well Magruder just caved, but it had to come. It
had to come, Bob. It was going to come.
John Dean: Yes I think so. I think it had to and should.
Pres. Nixon: That's right. The other point is the other element. The
question now that is coming as far as Dean is concerned. He
basically is the one who surprises me and disappoints you to an
extent because he is trying to save his neck and doing so
easily. He is not, to hear him tell it, when I have talked to
him, he is not telling things that will, you know -
HR Haldeman: That is not really true though.
De is.
Pres. Nixon: I know, I know, I know. He tells me one thing and the other guy
something else. That is when I get mad. Dean is trying to
tell enough to get immunity and that is frankly what it is Bob.
John Dean: That is the real problem we've got. It had to break and it should
break but what you've got is people within it, as you said
right at the beginning, who said things and said them, too,
exactly as Dean told them. The more you give them the better
it will work out.
Pres. Nixon: I have to go. As a matter of fact, I am sure I will be ready by
1:00 o'clock.
John Dean: Ok.