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$Pretitle{}
$Title{Nixon Tapes, The
April 16, 1973. (9:50am - 9:59am)}
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$Author{Various}
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$Subject{unintelligible
ehrlichman
nixon
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dean
petersen
now
right
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liddy}
$Date{1974}
$Log{}
Title: Nixon Tapes, The
Author: Various
Date: 1974
April 16, 1973. (9:50am - 9:59am)
Meeting: President Nixon, HR Haldeman and John Ehrlichman, Oval Office,
J. Ehrlichman: Did you get those
Pres. Nixon: I'm going to ask him which one he wants to sign. It seems to me
that I don't want to pressure him or should I just have him
sign effective today or not announce it. What is your advice?
We've got plenty of time.
J. Ehrlichman: Well, as I made it loud and clear that he ought to sign both
of them. Then you could use whichever one he wanted or none,
depending on how circumstances unfold.
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Unless he won't. You know, you know what to do at that point.
John Dean: You go to Petersen and ask him not to (unintelligible)
Pres. Nixon: That is why, John, I want to nail down what Dean said about
other bugs on the White House and so forth, and so on. I
assume that is the Plumbers operation.
J. Ehrlichman: No, no. What he is referring to is the FBI's bugs on the
journalists in the first year he was nominated.
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Hold on. No, no. These were almost all FBI bugs. What I
said all National Security -
Pres. Nixon: But I was wondering what your advice if I should not tell him
today that anything in that area is National Security
(unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: I think you should, and I think it should cover not only that
but Plumbing operation and anything else of which he has
knowledge that I am (unintelligible) that with Executive
Privilege right now.
Pres. Nixon: Executive Privilege
J. Ehrlichman: And I don't want to ever hear (unintelligible) discuss those
matters.
Pres. Nixon: Yeah.
J. Ehrlichman: (Unintelligible)
Pres. Nixon: I don't know whether he did. He might have.
J. Ehrlichman: Well, he might have been if he has yet afterwards or before
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Now if you remember the whole operation was because you were
afraid there were leaks out at the NSC and you were trying to
find them.
Pres. Nixon: I thought they were due to the FBI.
J. Ehrlichman: Well, all the (unintelligible) were but there was one in
Georgetown at somebody's house that actually was never put on.
It was (unintelligible) but it was explored and how Dean knows
about that, I don't know. The FBI files -
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: I can't say. I doubt it. I think it was before his time.
Pres. Nixon: The reason that I made the call while in Dean's presence last
night was that he said Liddy was saying how he knows Liddy had
told (unintelligible) or something like that. I said he must
(unintelligible). Well, he thought he ought to get ahold of
his attorneys. Liddy said will not (unintelligible) higher
authorities. (Unintelligible) not the President,
(unintelligible) Mitchell. And I said, I called Petersen
(unintelligible) where to go (unintelligible) Liddy's attorney.
The President is not asking for any type of (unintelligible).
J. Ehrlichman: He can't hurt anything at this point and it certainly
(unintelligible) way the thing he had to do with Mitchell and
Magruder.
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Remove any impediment against their testifying by reason of
misplaced loyalty to you.
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Petersen, is obviously reacting to the whole (unintelligible).
Pres. Nixon: I would like also a scenario with regard to the President's
role, in other words, the President -
J. Ehrlichman: Ziegler has just left my office. He feels we have no more
than 12 hours. He's got some input from the Post and he
estimates unless we take an initiative by 9 o'clock tonight it
will be too late. Now, for that reason, I would suggest that
Ziegler set a meeting with Petersen and if you and Ziegler can
persuade Petersen the announcement has come from the White
House
Pres. Nixon: I'll tell them.
J. Ehrlichman: Otherwise the Justice Department will, of course, crack this
whole thing.
HR Haldeman: Perhaps the whole thing, but I think it would be a good idea
(unintelligible) Petersen alone.
J. Ehrlichman: That is a very good point.
J. Ehrlichman: Now you know how (unintelligible) around for sometime ahead of
time you got this well thought through and well laid out and I
think he is quite (unintelligible) about it and quite
(unintelligible).
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: We'll do that while you are gone. There is one point before
you talk to Dean that I heard last night that doesn't fit
together. Maybe it doesn't matter. And that is that Dean
said, last night, as I understood it, that Petersen had told
you that Liddy has not talked. They can't get Liddy to talk.
Pres. Nixon: Yeah.
J. Ehrlichman: Dean told us that Liddy had told him everything. Told the
U.S. Attorney.
Pres. Nixon: I know that, I know that, but I -
J. Ehrlichman: Petersen lying to you or (unintelligible)
Pres. Nixon: Well, maybe a little both.
J. Ehrlichman: Well. I think it is probably (unintelligible)
Pres. Nixon: A snow job.
J. Ehrlichman: Either that or Dean is (unintelligible) cover-up in case
anything starts to seep out.
Pres. Nixon: Cover-up - How strong (unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Ron thinks that it ought to be done from up here. That
(unintelligible) I mentioned it to him the other day he thought
you should do it here, if you did it at all.
Pres. Nixon: I could do it right here?
J. Ehrlichman: Yes. But he wants to get out the fact that Dean
(unintelligible) you that the Dean report was inadequate
(unintelligible) that several weeks ago you reinstituted an
examination of the personal investigation and that this
culminated in a whole series of actions over the weekend.
Pres. Nixon: I spent the weekend working on it. (Unintelligible) got to say.
J. Ehrlichman: The report did not. This is the week that Mitchell being here
(unintelligible)
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Well, now, if I am going to be splashed on this thing you are
better off now having another scrap with Dean.
Pres. Nixon: Well, somebody is going to be.
J. Ehrlichman: Well, we could not (unintelligible)
Pres. Nixon: Investigation of the matters.
J. Ehrlichman: I think that that is the way, the investigation of the matter.
Pres. Nixon: But I didn't talk to Mitchell.
J. Ehrlichman: Well, they say who did it, delegating him to do that. I mean
that, that's -
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible) look one damn thing
J. Ehrlichman: Well, I think there is a full Ehrlichman report, unquote.
(Unintelligible)
Pres. Nixon: Would you mind talking to Moore to see Gray or (unintelligible)
you can talk to him can't you? Time is of the essence right
now. (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: I understand.
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: No, no, I'll take care of it.
Pres. Nixon: (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: As a matter of fact, I have a problem. I'm going to get Moore
to talk to Fielding also, and find out what was in there
because I don't want to know.
Pres. Nixon: Right (Unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: And then Moore can advise you.
Pres. Nixon: I don't know (unintelligible) when I get back (unintelligible)
Justice Department drag it out of the White House. You
(unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: (Unintelligible) you do it. Petersen here is working with me
on -
Pres. Nixon: Yesterday. Yesterday, I talked to Mr. Kleindienst. He removed
(unintelligible) people involved. I said, "Now, Petersen and
myself. That's right, Petersen (unintelligible)
J. Ehrlichman: Well, he's got a (unintelligible) So. Well, I'll he seeing
Dean now.
Pres. Nixon: Yeah, but -
J. Ehrlichman: I think that the point is that in picking up these letters
from him, it would be the agreement that neither he nor you
would announce it immediately. So the announcement would be
your discretion.
Pres. Nixon: Right.
J. Ehrlichman: And the decision would be at your discretion as to which way
to go.
Pres. Nixon: Right.
J. Ehrlichman: And you might ask him whether be intends to plead guilty or
not -
Pres. Nixon: Yeah.
J. Ehrlichman: Or not guilty.
Pres. Nixon: Yeah.
J. Ehrlichman: And that will weight in your own (unintelligible)
Pres. Nixon: That's right. That's right. (Unintelligible)
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