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- From: ewl@panix.com (Emery Lapinski)
- Newsgroups: alt.make.money.fast,alt.answers,news.answers
- Subject: alt.make.money.fast Mini FAQ
- Followup-To: alt.make.money.fast
- Date: 4 Jul 1995 00:08:29 -0400
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- Archive-name: usenet/make-money-fast-minifaq
- Last-modified: 05/18/1995
- Maintainer: ewl@panix.com
- Version: 0.4
- Title: Frequently Asked Questions for the Usenet newsgroup alt.make.money.fast
-
- Please feel free to correct me, my spelling, send me additional
- information you'd like to see included here, pointers to more resources
- pertaining to MAKE.MONEY.FAST or other chain letters.
- -- ewl@panix.com
-
- Here's a URL for the HTML Version of this FAQ:
- <A HREF="http://minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au/~s924603/mmf.html">HTML Version</A>
-
- ========================================================================
-
- "Don't you think that for your first crime you shouldn't attach your
- name and address and mail it to several thousand strangers?"
- -- Dogbert in Scott Adams' Dilbert
-
- ========================================================================
-
- Q1. What is the purpose of alt.make.money.fast?
- A1. Stefan Chakerian (schake@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov) created
- alt.make.money.fast in mid 1994 to make fun of people who post the
- MAKE.MONEY.FAST(MMF) chain letter and its variants. He also
- figured the name would get the MLM people to post their ads here
- so they'd end up declaring their post a scam and inviting a good
- round of fun-poking. (This second objective has worked almost too
- well: at various times, alt.make.money.fast has been virtually
- indistinguishable from alt.business.multi-level.) There was not a
- tagline sent out with the original newgroup, but the first refresher
- was
- "All your favorite scams. No purchase necessary."
- and the latest is
- "And piss off thousands of people even faster."
- alt.make.money.fast is now also a forum for the tracking of MMF.
- If you run across a copy of the post, or any other chain letter,
- please copy the "interesting" information to alt.make.money.fast:
- who posted it, what group you found it in, the current top-ten
- list, etc. If someone has added a new testimonial include that
- too. See example EX1 below. And please feel free discuss chain
- letters in general in this group.
-
- Q2. Is it OK to post my Multi-level Marketing(MLM) plan to
- alt.make.money.fast since it's a good way to "make money fast"!
- A2. Do not post MLM advertisements, or any other advertisements to
- alt.make.money.fast. While it was fun for a while, this group
- is not really intended for these kinds of discussions. There are
- groups called alt.business.multi-level, and alt.sex.telephone, and
- probably plenty of others where your particular post *might* be
- appropriate. READ THE FAQS FOR THOSE GROUPS BEFORE POSTING TO
- THEM. Please visit news.groups.questions and news.newusers.questions
- as well.
-
- Q3. Where is an appropriate place to post MMF?
- A3. There is not *really* any appropriate place to post MMF, especially
- if you think you are going to make money. Of course, if you
- cannot resist the urge to post MMF, you are invited to post it
- to alt.make.money.fast (and NOT to any other group); think of
- alt.make.money.fast as your pressure release valve. Be
- warned, there are quite a few people who do not understand the
- purpose of alt.make.money.fast and will attempt to chastise
- you for posting MMF anyway.
-
- Q4. The text of MMF assures me that it is perfectly legal so what's
- all the fuss about?
- A4. From the misc.legal FAQ:
- Posting [MMF] violates the federal wire fraud statute, and
- undoubtedly various state anti-fraud laws as well.
-
- The relevant federal statute, 18 U.S.C. sec. 1343, reads as follows:
-
- WHOEVER, HAVING DEVISED OR INTENDING TO DEVISE ANY SCHEME OR ARTIFICE TO
- DEFRAUD, OR FOR OBTAINING MONEY OR PROPERTY BY MEANS OF FALSE OR
- FRAUDULENT PRETENSES, REPRESENTATIONS, OR PROMISES, TRANSMITS OR CAUSES
- TO BE TRANSMITTED BY MEANS OF WIRE, radio, or television COMMUNICATION IN
- INTERSTATE OR FOREIGN COMMERCE, ANY WRITINGS, signs, signals, pictures,
- or sounds FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXECUTING SUCH SCHEME OR ARTIFICE, SHALL BE
- FINED not more than $1,000 OR IMPRISONED not more than five years, or
- both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person
- shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30
- years, or both. [Emphasis added]
-
- While there are no reported cases involving the "Dave Rhodes"
- letter itself, such letters clearly fall within the scope of section
- 1343. To begin with, "[i]t is well settled that such a 'pyramid' or
- 'chain-letter' scheme constitutes mail fraud" under section 1341 when
- distributed through the U.S. Postal Service. _United States v.
- William Savran & Assocs., Inc._, 755 F. Supp. 1165, 1181 (E.D.N.Y.
- 1991) (citing _United States v. Armantrout_, 411 F.2d 60, 61-62 (2d
- Cir. 1969)).
-
- Moreover, "scheme to defraud" means the same thing in section 1343
- as it does in section 1341. _United States v. Doherty_, 969 F.2d 425,
- 429 (7th Cir. 1992). Thus, since the "Dave Rhodes" letter would
- violate the federal mail fraud statute if mailed, it necessarily
- violates the federal wire fraud statute when transmitted over the wires
- that propagate Usenet.
-
- Finally, it is worth noting that the "Dave Rhodes" letter also
- violates many state fraud laws. For example, a substantially similar
- scheme known as the "airplane game" -- in which each participant pays to
- join, and in turn receives payment from those he recruits -- violates
- New York's fraud laws, NY Penal Law secs. 190.60 & 190.65. _People v.
- Riccelli_, 149 A.D.2d 941, 941-42, 540 N.Y.S.2d 74, 74-75 (4th Dep't
- 1989).
-
- Q5. Who is Dave Rhodes? Is he a real person? Is he in jail?
- A5. From the net.legends FAQ:
- Dave Rhodes was a student at Columbia Union College in Takoma
- Park, MD. This is a Seventh Day Adventist college. The posting
- machine was !cucstud, aka Columbia Union College, Student. It
- passed news upstream to uunet. Cucstud was a 3B2, and there were
- two or three more. Note this predated the widespread usage of the
- pseudodomain of { }.UUCP, and I don't recall if the site was ever
- so named. Needless to say, Leroy Cain, the sysadm, was not
- amused. This posting was made in 1987-1988, sometime just after
- the infamous jj@portal one, and his incoming mail queue was
- impressive. I do not know if Leroy took the matter to the Dean of
- Students, but do know he posted an apology, and ensured that Dave
- would not be doing that again, at least at THAT site. As for why
- I had an account on cucstud, and knew Leroy, when my only
- connection was that I caught a bus to work in front of the place
- every morning; that's a different story........
-
- ========================================================================
-
- EX1: Example of MMF tracking post to alt.make.money.fast:
-
- From: ewl@panix.com (Emery Lapinski)
- Newsgroups: alt.make.money.fast
- Subject: alt.tv.bh90210 -- MONEY FOR YOU IN THE MAIL!
- References: <IjKyy2u00iWTEDYjtn@andrew.cmu.edu>
-
- Wes is about to make some cash! Go Wes!
- -Emery
-
- [ From: Rebecca Marie Hersh <rh3n+@andrew.cmu.edu> ]
- [ Newsgroups: alt.tv.bh90210 ]
- [ Subject: MONEY FOR YOU IN THE MAIL! ]
- [ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:30:42 -0500 ]
- [ Message-ID: <IjKyy2u00iWTEDYjtn@andrew.cmu.edu> ]
-
- 1. Wes Schoppe--1507 Sage Boot Pflugerville, TX 78660
- 2. Brenda Benzer--PO Box 1084 Austin, TX 78767
- 3. Corine Yonkers--5401 Avenue F Austin, TX 78751
- 4. Erik Price--P.O. Box 203443 Jollyville TX 78720-3443
- 5. Marty LaJoy--2355 Murray Hill Rd. #440D Cleveland, OH 44106
- 6. Jose Jimanez--2355 Murray Hill Rd. #440H Cleveland, Oh 44106
- 7. Charles Cross--502 O~Shaugnessy Hall VA Tech Blacksburg,VA 24060-0012
- 8. Allen DeFranco--9636 Orangewood Dr. Thornton, CO 80221
- 9. David Butler--P.O.Box 13733 Fort Wayne, IN 46865-3733
- 10. Rebecca Hersh--Box 4276, 5115 Margaret Morrison St., Pittsburgh PA 15213
-
-
- ========================================================================
-
- Thanks to the following people for contributions to this FAQ:
- Joshua Rowe <s924603@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU>
- Stefan Chakerian <schake@tesuque.cs.sandia.gov>
- --
- ewl@panix.com | http://www.panix.com/~ewl | "You can have my useless cat(1)
- when you pry it from my cold dead finger(1)." | This work is Copyright 1995
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