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Path: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!news.cc.ukans.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.103.240.185!newsfeed.infinet.com!news.infinet.com!news From: colemanc@infinet.com (Christopher D Coleman) Newsgroups: news.answers,rec.answers,rec.models.railroad Subject: rec.models.railroad FAQ-TINPLATE, Part 2 of 4 Followup-To: poster Date: 16 Dec 1997 23:53:32 GMT Organization: Just Myself Lines: 818 Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.EDU Distribution: world Expires: JAN 20, 1998 Message-ID: <67749s$t8h@news1.infinet.com> Reply-To: colemanc@infinet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: a031.m4048-1.cmh-icg.infinet.com Summary: This FAQ contains information on the collecting, operating and repair of Collectable or Tinplate model trains. Keywords: tinplate trains collectible railroad railway model X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: senator-bedfellow.mit.edu news.answers:118945 rec.answers:36195 rec.models.railroad:120680 Archive-name: model-railroad-faq/tinplate/part2 Posting-Frequency: monthly Last-modified: 09-29-97 URL: http://www.spikesys.com/Modelrr/faq2.html rec.models.railroad TINPLATE TRAIN FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS Part 2 of 4, Equipment This is a listing of frequently asked questions and general information concerning the collection, operation and repair of collectable model railroad equipment. For more info on this FAQ see part 1. Additions and corrections are always welcome. E-mail to: colemanc@infinet.com (Christopher D. Coleman) TCA #88-26999 LRRC #0032070 This FAQ contains the following topics: Part 1, Information WHAT'S NEW IN THE FAQ? COLLECTABLE/TINPLATE TRAINS GRADING STANDARDS AND OTHER JARGON MANUFACTURERS THOMAS THE TANK ENGINE RAILSCOPE LOCOMOTIVE TYPES Part 2, Equipment CARS TRANSFORMERS TRACK SWITCHES Part 3, Maintenance TOOLS MAINTENANCE TIPS MODIFICATIONS PARTS SUPPLIERS MOTOR DESIGN Part 4, The Hobby LAYOUTS OPERATING TRAINS DISPLAYING TRAINS COLLECTING TRAINS INVENTORYING MEETS GROUPS OTHER SOURCES CARS How are coupling and uncoupling done? Coupler designs and methods can be considered an entire field of study on its own. The earliest systems used variations on the simple loop and hook system. The problem was that the cars had to be lifted off the track to be coupled. Following this most companies turned to complex and sometimes unreliable latch coupler. This usually involved a barbed latch and receptacle for a latch on each coupler. The cars could be separated by disengaging both latches at once, which usually proved difficult. After WWII major makers switched to the prototypical knuckle coupler. The prototype uses a pin above the coupler head which, when lowered, locks into the rear of the knuckle inside the coupler head. # # knuckle pin ** # O ** ####O knuckle ** ### ** ** ** ********* ********* coupler head **O** **O** locking pin *** *** drawbar *** *** OPEN CLOSED The Lionel version, introduced in 1945, used a spring loaded plunger in a cylinder within the knuckle head locking the rear of the knuckle. The plunger is surrounded by a solenoid powered by a sliding shoe contact. The sliding shoe contacts with a fourth rail in special track sections, which when powered will energize the solenoid pulling the plunger to release the knuckle. In the early 1950's a revised knuckled which used a spring loaded pin beneath the coupler head to work the same way as the prototype, except inverted. This design, with a few changes, is still used and is the standard on O gauge systems of many makes. Flyer's, introduced in the early 50's, uses a bar inside the head to lock the knuckle from the above, like the prototype, but the bar extends below the head to a weight. When the weight is lifted the knuckle is released. A special track section with a coil powered lifting runner was used to lift the weight. Marx continued to use their unique V shaped couplers well into the 1960's when they switched to a non-operating knuckle coupler which was smaller than and incompatible with Lionel's. Their V type couplers had a downward barb on the left branch of the V and a hole on the right. When the couplers engaged, both tilt slightly such that the barb from each V pops into the hole of the other. By manually tilting either V one could disengage both barbs from both holes and release the cars. These couplers were simple and economically made of a single piece of stamped steel, and important consideration for thrifty Marx. They were reasonably reliable and were later produced in plastic versions. How do Lionel UCS track sections work? The UCS (universal control section) and its predecessor the RCS (remote control section) and their O-27 cousins are simply constructed, but operationally difficult to understand. The different rails and the electromagnet operate in different ways for different functions. As shown below, the section controllers use strips of copper contacted in certain ways such that the desired circuit is made. Either the three *s are connected or the two #s and the two @s. The controller uses four wires. Two are connected to the rails as supply and ground and the other two lead to the control rails and electromagnet. Therefore only the two control wires need be strung to your track while the others may be connected directly to the transformer. Uncoupling requires either the use of an electromagnet on a plunger activated version or the energizing of a knuckle electromagnet connected to ground and to a sliding shoe. The uncouple button connects both control rails and the track electromagnet to the power rail. This has the result of uncoupling all types of couplers, if properly positioned. Earlier operating cars are supplied both ground and power leads through a pair of sliding shoes, one in each truck. When the Unload button is pressed, one rail is connected to ground and the other to the power rail, thus powering the car. Later cars used a large spring loaded plunger in the center of the car to supply the action, which must be manually reset after operation. The Uncouple electromagnet must be used for these. UNCOUPLE UNLOAD RCS near rail supply ground far rail supply supply UCS left rails supply ground right rails supply supply electromagnet on off 6019 (O-27) left front rail supply ground right rear rail supply ground electromagnet on off OTHER O-27 SECTIONS electromagnet on off UNCOUPLE UNLOAD ______O___________O______ | *-----------+-------@ | | *----------+|-------@ | | *---------+||-------# | front view | ---------+|||-------# | |___________||||__________| |||| ||||____4 |||_____3 ||______2 |_______1 RCS CONTROLLER top views ================================================== ground rail -------------------------+-------------------- outer control rail ===========================|==+=================== power rail ----------------------+--|--|----------------- inner control rail =====================+==|==|==|=================== ground rail \ O O O O / screw terminals | | | |___4 | | |______3 | |_________2 |____________1 RCS TRACK SECTION =============================================== ground rail left ----------------+ /~~~\ -+-------------- right control rail ==================| ( O ),+=|================ power rail left ----------------+\ \/__// /+-------------- right control rail =================+==\/===/==/================== ground rail \ O O O O / screw terminals | | | |___4 | | |______3 | |_________2 |____________1 UCS TRACK SECTION =============================================== ground rail __--~~~--__ +------------- right rear control ================== O =/=+============== power rail --------------+ ~~--/__--~~/ | left front control ===============+=\===/======/===|============== ground rail | \ / | | | | | |__4 | | |_______3 | |_______________2 |___________________1 6019 TRACK SECTION =============================================== ground rail __--~~~--__ ================== O ==+=============== power rail ~~--/__--~~ | =====================/=========|=============== ground rail / | | |____4 |________________3 OTHER O-27 SECTIONS Hey, one coupler opens when I try to unload my car The 3462 Automatic Milk Car, the log dump car of the same vintage had coil couplers and these are SUPPOSED to uncouple (which one depends on the orientation of the car) when the car is unloaded. The reason is that the sliding shoes provide power to both the car mechanism (one positive one negative) and to the coupler coils (both positive, grounding through the truck frame). So, whichever truck is contacting the positive control rail when UNLOAD is pressed gets uncoupled. UNCOUPLE gives positive to both control rails, hence activating both couplers, but not the car mechanism. This also explains why the truck can get hot, as where the coupler coil is on whenever the activatior coil is on. To get around this you'd have to cut the wire from the offending coupler to the sliding shoe and always run the car in the same orientation (which would be mandated by the position of the platform). The coil could be reactivated and work "properly" by connecting it to the sliding shoe on the opposite end of the car. This ailment was resolved by the adoption of mechanical couplers. TRANSFORMERS What can I get in the way of power for my trains? A basic review of higher wattage available power: Lionel Transformers MultiVolt (no circuit breaker) A: 40W 60Hz 1921-33 L: 50W 60Hz 1934-38 N: 50W 60Hz 1942 A: 60W 60Hz 1934 B: 75W 60Hz 1918-38 T: 100W 60Hz 1923-38 T: 110W 60Hz 1922 T: 150W 60Hz 1918-21 K: 150W 60Hz 1922-38 K: 200W 60Hz 1918-21 F: 40W 25-40Hz 1931-37 C: 75W 25-40Hz 1922-37 H: 75W 25Hz 1938-39 J: ?? 40-133Hz ?? TrainMaster (circuit breaker) 1034:75W 60Hz 1948-54 1044:75W 60Hz 1957-69 W: 75W 60Hz 1939-42 Q: 75W 60Hz 1939-46 single control A: 90W 60Hz 1947-48 R: 100W 60Hz 1939-47 two controls RX: 100W 25Hz one control V: 150W 60Hz 1939-47 four controls, fixed voltage terminals Z: 250W 60Hz 1939-47 four controls MultiControl (Circuit breaker, Whistle and Direction) (may also say TrainMaster) 1032: 75W 60Hz 1948 1032M: 75W 50Hz 1232: 75W 50-60Hz S: 80W 60Hz 1947 1033: 90W 60Hz 1948-56 single control with fixed voltage 1044: 90W 60Hz 1957-69 single control with fixed voltage 6-4090: 90W 60Hz 1970-84 identical to 1044 RW,RWM:110W 60Hz 1948-59 single control with fixed voltage LW: 125W 60Hz 1955-56 single control with fixed voltage, replaced RW SW: 130W 60Hz 1961-66 dual control, single whistle, TW: 175W 60Hz 1953-60 single control KW: 190W 60Hz 1950-65 dual control with fixed voltages, troublesome circuit breaker VW: 150W 60Hz 1948-49 looks like ZW ZW: 250W 60Hz 1948-49 four variable controls, two with direction and whistle ZW: 275W 60Hz 1950-66 four variable controls, two with direction and whistle Solid State (circuit breaker, whistle/horn, direction, power switch) 6-4690 see MW MW: ??? 60Hz 1986-89 dual control 6-12780 see RS-1 RS-1: 50W 60Hz 1990-93 dual control, railsounds, replaced MW TrainMaster System: see below description AMERICAN FLYER POSTWAR 4B/22034: 100/110W, single control, circuit breaker 8B: 100W, single control, manual circuit breaker 9B: 150W, dual control, manual circuit breaker 12B: 250W, dual control, manual circuit breaker, power switch 14: 150W DC, single control 15B/22040: 110W, single control, circuit breaker 16: 150W DC, single control 16B/22050: 175W,: single control, circuit breaker, power switch 17B: 190W, single control, circuit breaker, V and A meters 18B/22060: 175/190W, dual control, circuit breaker, power switch 19B/22070: 300W, single control, V and A meters, power switch 30B/22080: 300W, dual control, dual V meters, dual circuit breakers, power switch 22090: 350W, dual control, dual V meters, dual circuit breakers OTHER MAKERS MRC Trainpower O-27: single control, direction and whistle, power switch, solid state MRC Dualpower O-27: 80VA, dual control, dual direction and whistle, power switch, solid state ROW Power Supply: 400VA, dual control, bell/whistle, dual V and A meters, power switch No particular problems have been experienced with these transformers unless so noted above. Most Lionel transformers made after 1939 are designated "TrainMaster" and have circuit breakers. Previous to this they were called "Multivolt" and had no circuit breaker. Because of this caution should be used with Multivolt transformers. Does it matter that I use only Lionel transformers on Lionel trains? Essentially all trains using universal motors will run on all transformers. They will also run on DC, but the normal current draw is beyond what most DC transformers will produce. Trains using DC can motors will run on AC only if they are equipped with a rectifier to convert AC to DC. The newer offerings do but some cheap Lionel from the 1970's does not. Compatibility between brands is not a problem. What's the difference between WATTs and VAs? VA is short for Volt-Amp, or the total power lost in a circuit. In a nutshell, Watts (Volt-Amp Resistive) tell how much power is lost to heat (resistance) and VARs (Volt-Amp Reactive) tell how much is lost to stray magnetic and electric fields (inductance and capacitance). VAs are defined as: _______________ / 2 2 (VA) =\/ (Watt) + (VAR) or the RMS (root mean square) value of power. Thus, since VAs express more forms of power consumption (both thermal and magnetic), the power value expressed in them is slightly different than in WATTs, but is a better measure of power consumed. Can broken transformers be fixed? As to repairing your transformer, if the wiper or a connecting wire is damaged I would try to repair it, but if the main coil is burned out it is not really worth the trouble, at least on smaller transformers. (there are places to have transformers and motors rewound) In my experience a simple dial-on-a-box Lionel transformer will run $15 to $30, and a nicer one with whistle and direction controls $40 to $60. The dollar a Watt, or VA, usually holds true for 1950 or newer. This depends greatly on who's selling it and how much money they want to make on it. Can more than one transformer be used together? (AC) Connecting Transformers in series is bad news. Don't try it. For transformers to share a common ground is no problem, as long as their other poles don't touch. Now, it is often necessary to connect the poles of two transformers if the load is too great for a single transformer or when a roller crosses the boundary between insulated track blocks powered by different transformers. To do this the two transformers must be placed in phase. To test the phasing connect the two commons together and connect a wire to one control terminal. Adjust the two to the same voltage level, say 6V. Momentarily touch the wire to the other transformer's control terminal. If a spark occurs they are out of phase so you must reverse the wall plug of one. If there is no spark they are in phase. Why did they stop making powerful transformers? Initially it was due to lack of demand during the 1960's when just selling trains was a challenge. In 1973 the Consumer Products Safety Commission cracked down on General Mills on transformer design. They felt for some reason that the ZWs and others were "Electrocution hazards waiting to happen". They came up with lots of new rules and regulations making the manufacture of these transformers near to impossible and financially unrealizable. To add to this Underwriters Laboratory, which approves products as "safe" for insurance purposes, recently would not approve a redesigned ZW II transformer from LTI. Apparently heat dissipation problems occurred with the large coil. As a replacement Lionel developed the "TrainMaster" system profiled later in this section. Neil Young, the popular singer and Lionel collector, has been contributing greatly to this project. What's the deal with those new Lionel units? The "TrainMaster" system is made up of several separate units each inside their own plastic housing. PowerHouse (PH-1) is the 135 Watt step down transformer. It has one cord to the wall outlet and one to a 1/4" miniplug (headphone type). It includes a power switch and a manual reset circuit breaker. It can be replaced with most any standard AC transformer with a circuit breaker (set at 7-9 amps) and a 21 volt or more max output. An available adapter cord with a 7 amp in-line fuse can connect it to PM-1. PowerMaster (PM-1) is the track voltage level control unit. It has a female jack to connect with PH-1 and two lugs for track connection wires. PM-1 has no controls of its own but is controlled by radio frequency by the CAB-1 unit. One unit is needed for each insulated block of track you wish to control independently. Each PM-1 requires an independent power source, for example a KW can supply two. Command Base performs the same function as PM-1, except does it by transmitting encoded digital commands down the rails to specially equipped locomotives and to SC-1 units (described later). It also receives RF signals from CAB-1, but sends only signals down a track whose power is controlled by another means (a PM-1 or conventional transformer). Unlike PM-1, only one Command Base is required for and entire layout. Command Base requires it's own power supply which is provided. Switch and Accessory Controller (SC-1) is controlled by the digital commands relayed by Command Base. SC-1 has switch control lugs on it for the control of four switches and two on-off for accessories. CAB-1 is the remote controller which contains all controls and sends signals to PM-1 and Command Base. It operates on radio frequencies similar to those of RC cars using a telescoping antennae. It requires a single 9 Volt battery and has a 1/4" jack in the top for connecting The Big Red Switch (detailed later). There are 26 controls on it. It contains a large red throttle knob, a numeric keypad, and buttons for direction, bell, whistle/horn, boost (accelerates while the button is pressed, then resumes previous speed), brake (overrides the available momentum setting), front coupler, rear coupler, aux 1 and aux 2. There is a small red button labeled "halt" which is an emergency stop for the whole system. There are buttons across the top labeled SW, ACC, RTE, TR, and ENG which set the mode to the transmitter. TR is pressed followed by 1 through 9 or 0 for 10 on the keypad to designate which PM-1 (and thus which track block) is to be controlled. In this mode whistle/horn, bell, direction, boost and brake are options. ENG followed by number 01 through 99 or 00 for 100 selects which digital receiver equipped locomotive you wish to control through the Command Base. all the TR commands plus front and rear coupler are available, except here they control only a single engine no matter where it is, rather than any engine in a particular block). Similarly SW and 01 through 99 or 00 for 100 selects a switch controller in an SC-1 and ACC and 01 through 49 or 00 for 50 selects an accessory controller on a SC-1. Presumably aux 1 (straight or on) and aux 1 (diverging or off) control switches and accessories when in SW or ACC modes. So with a single CAB-1 you can control 10 track blocks (using 10 PM-1's), 100 digital receiver equipped locomotives (using a single Command Base), 100 switches and 50 accessories (using 25 SC-1's in conjunction with the same Command Base). A few details are still fuzzy, such as how to set which digital receiving locomotive, which PM-1 and which SC-1 corresponds to which number on CAB-1; the function of the RTE button; how to set the available momentum (simulates train weight by dragging out responses to commands) and stall (sets the minimum voltage to a particular unit to a level where the unit just stalls so the e-unit will not cycle and to make starts and stops smooth). Also available is "The Big Red Switch", a large, red pressure sensitive pad which plugs into the CAB-1 jack to operate whichever function was last executed on the CAB-1. The Idea of the system is to have a PH-1 and PM-1 pair connected to each block of track to control the voltage level for conventional locomotives. If all your locos are digital receiver equipped, a PM-1 would not be required, but would still be a good idea. This way you can set locomotive 1 to, say, 70% throttle and leave it there if you have your straightaway blocks set to 20 volts and your curved blocks set to 12 volts (kind of like setting speed limits). Although you only need one CAB-1, you can have more than one for division of responsibilities between engineers. A few quirks exist in the system. For one the RF frequency is the same as CB Channel 23, so you may experience rouge commands near main highways. Also compatibility with other systems is nil. MTH whistles/horns blow continuously when connected to any part of the system and QSI control units are totally confused by it. New QSI offering are compatible with TrainMaster, but no conversion is available for older ones. A workaround for MTH locomotive has been found, involving seting the stall speed. Contact a Lionel Authorized Dealer for details. On the whole it is an excellent system with a few bad spots. TRACK What is the difference between gauge and scale? Scale is the relation or ratio of sizes between a model and a prototype. For X:Y a dimension of X units on the model corresponds to Y units on the prototype. For example, if a real boxcar is 500" long and you want your model in 1:100 scale, then the model should be 100 times smaller, 500"/100, or 5" long. Conversely if your model boy is 1" tall and in 1:50 scale, then if he were real he would be 1"X50 or 50" tall. Over the years many scales have been defined, but the primary ones collected are: II (two) 1:22.5 Standard/Wide: none defined but would be about 1:27 G [see below] 1:24 I (one) 1:32 (1:29 for Aristo-Craft) O (oh or zero) 1:48 in North America 1:45 or 1:43.5 Europe S 1:64 Gauge is the Distance between the inside faces of the outermost railheads. The prototype standard gauge in most of the world is 4'8.5". Early scale ratios were derived by comparing the real gauge to the model gauge but GAUGE DOES NOT DEFINE SCALE NOR VICE VERSA. Popular scale definitions and gauge definitions are often slightly different from what would be derived. This is a result of history and is just the way it is in the hobby. Also one may wish to model a narrower prototype gauge which would require a smaller model gauge in the same scale. Defined gauges used in tinplate trains are shown below. Standard: 2-1/8" Wide: 2" G 45mm (1.77") O std 1-1/4" S std 7/8" G gauge still confuses me! G gauge was originally defined by LGB as a GAUGE not a scale and being 45mm. LGB created the name although the gauge was used previously as I scale standard gauge and III scale narrow gauge. LGB models mostly European metric gauge (between American standard and narrow gauges) so should theoretically be called II scale. As time progressed other makers produced trains in the same gauge for compatibility of track, but of different gauge prototype. Standard gauge, American and European narrow gauge models have been produced for G track. As a result the scale ratio changes. Models of standard gauge are I scale and of European narrow gauge are III scale. US 36" narrow gauge falls between established scales at about 1:24 and so is usually referred to as "G Scale" in the US although this is not always accepted. Standards for G are still being created and remain largely nonexistent right now. It is common practice in tinplate to refer to a scale, say O scale as O gauge. This is incorrect terminology but is the normal practice. When someone talks of O gauge in a tinplate context you can assume it is O scale modeled on prototype standard gauge. G is the exception whereas it is usually modeled on a narrow gauge. Usually when the word scale is used in Tinplate terminology it is referring to 'Scale' model railroading. For example O scale refers to 2 rail exact scale modeling in O (as is predominant in HO and N). O gauge, on the other hand, refers to the 'tinplate' side of the hobby. Again this is not proper terminology, but is common practice. What kinds of track systems are available? Different types of track systems in a given gauge are usually separated by their curve radius. This has be defined as the distance from rail to rail of a complete circle of curved sections. Which rail or part of the rail is not always the same, but is usually the outermost rail. O: The standard type of trackage. Usually with three black ties per section. 31" curve diameter is common but O-72 and O-54 with 72" (five ties) and 54" curve diameters are also readily available. Single straights normally are 10" long. O-27: A lighter duty trackage style also usually with three ties per section. Usually 27" curve diameter with 42" and 54" (O-42, O-54 light) available. Straight single sections are 8-3/4" long. Although O-27 technically refers only to 27" diameter track it is commonly used to designate all radii of this lighter duty track style. Super O: Made by Lionel 1957 to 1966. Featured realistic molded plastic ties and plates. 36" curve diameter. Sections snap together. Hard to find today. The flat center rail is frequently accused of 'eating' rollers. Most Super-O users disagree, though the center rail connectors do tend to work lose enough to catch sliding center rail contacts. Tru-Trak: Made by Lionel about 1976 and was similar to K-Line O. It was around 30" diameter and very little was produced. K-Line O: A semi-realistic plastic tied track included with some better K-Line sets. Gar-Graves: Realistic trackage that comes in 3' sections to be custom bent to layout specs. Wood ties and a center rail chemically blackened to be hidden. Tricky to bend without kinks. Available in stainless for outdoors. Available in O, S, and Standard. Sectional Gar-Graves: O Gauge available in 32" 42", 54"and 72" diameter, 8 sections per circle and , 80", 88", 96" and 106" diameter, 12 sections per circle; plastic ties, blackened center rail or stainless steel S Gauge available in 42", 54", 63" and 72" diameter, 8 sections per circle. S American Flyer: Flyer was the only major postwar S producer. K-line S: includes Flyer type straights and curves as well as 3 foot straights and wide radius curves. Pins are slightly wider than Flyer and require some filing to mate properly American Models S: currently produces track switches. Antique Trains Standard: Essentially identical to original Prewar. 1 lantern Lane Turnersville, NJ 08012 Why are three rails often used? The principal problem with two rail track is that the two rails contain opposite polarity voltage. When the track loops back on itself the opposite rails will meet and a short will occur: ___B_______________________________B_______________ \ \ _________________\______________________________ \ A \ \ A \ \ \ \ \ \ B\ \A | | \ \ | | \ \ A/ /B \ \___________A____________/ / \ / \______________________________/ B In three rail the outer two rails carry the same polarity with the inner rail opposite. Shorting is not a problem: ___A_______________________________A_______________ ___B_________\_____________________B_____________ \ ___________\__\________________________________ \ \ A \ \ \ A \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ A\ B\ \A | | | \ \ \ | | | \ \ \ A/ /B /A \ \ \_______A__________________/ / / \ \_________B____________________/ / \__________________________________/ A This allows the construction of much more complicated layouts without electrical shorts. It also allows the insulation of one outer rail for the purposes of powering signaling accessories without disrupting current flow to the train and without the use of clumsy pressure plates. Where can I get Hi-Rail track supplies for tinplate? Ross Custom Switches PO Box 110 North Stonington, CT 06359 Gar-Graves Trackage Corporation Department O, RR #1 PO Box 255-A North Rase, NY 14516 Phone: 315-483-6577 Fax: 315-483-1415 Rydin Industries Inc 28W215 Warrenville Road Warrenville, IL 60555 How can I make my three tie track look more realistic? The time honored way is to use balsa wood and stain and make them by hand. The more modern approaches include rubber tie inserts from: Moondog Express located at Mikes Trains and Hobbies (see parts supplier listing) Phone: (800) 772-4407 Snap in plastic roadbed is available from: "Trackmate" Dutch Country Hobby Products PO Box 209 Terre Hill, PA 17581 "Track-Bed System" Tinplate and Scale Models 110 S. Seventh St., Dept 115 North Wales, PA 19454-2817 "VinylBed" Hobby Inovations Rt 3 Box 226 Mountain City, TN 37683 Phone: 423-727-8000 "Molded Rubber Roadbed" Rick Johnson 19333 Sturgrass Drive Torrance, CA 90503 Phone: 310-371-3887 Lionel Trains Address in MANUFACTURERS section What track systems are compatible? Adapter pins are available to connect Gargraves to O or O-27 trackage. O and O-27 pins are different sizes and I have heard of no adapterbetween them. They can be coaxed together, but the difference in track height causes additional problems. Adapters were also made for Super-O to O or O- 27. They are hard to find and a Gargraves connector can be used for the outer rails if it is flattened a bit, but originals must be used for the center rail. K-Line O uses O-27 pins. From Gargraves to Super-O you can make one by filing a Gargraves connector narrower on one side to fit into Super-O. TOO MANY such connections IS BAD! They are usually not smooth and can cause wheel wear and derailments, especially on curves and trestles. As to clearances for engines and rolling stock, anything will run on a larger track curvature but not always a smaller one. Rail height is rarely a problem. The semi-scale locomotives and cars are the most restrictive on curves and switches. Most other "compressed" equipment will run on O-27 or larger diameter, but there are exceptions. The classifications of O and O-27 in the Lionel catalogs has little to do with what track is right for piece. Instead they are used to define different price levels in the line. For example the O-27 2020 steam turbine and the O 671 steam turbine are identical other than the number. The 671 just came with fancier sets. For more details on switch clearances see the SWITCHES section. What track system is right for me? Most starter sets come with O-27 track as a purely economical measure. It is expected that you will buy better track if you more than double the size of your layout. Here's some deciding factors: Reliability O-27 - the physically weakest of the systems. Stepping on a section will seriously damage it. About 50 pounds of pressure will throw it out of alignment. O - Much stronger, takes a lickin and keeps on trackin. Joint to not wear as fast as O-27. Super-O - Pretty strong, but does not tolerate constant dissassembly and reassembly well. Snap together fingers and pins are more likely to snap. GarGraves - Moderately strong. Ties will crack and rail will fold under 100 punds or so. Rails are attached to ties by tention of the rail against the pocket in the tie. Realism O-27 - Low. More realsitic than O. Since 1971 has had brown ties rather than black. More realistic rail height. Will accept only flat additional ties. Curves range from absurdly tight to plausible. O - Low. Least realistic, large, wide black ties and very tall rail. Will accept more 'squarish' additional ties than O-27. Curves range from absurdly tight to plausible. Super-O - Excelent. Very relistic plastic molded details including spike heads and tie plates, but ties are unrealisticly sloped. Flat copper center rail is less visible. No need for additional ties. Curves are semi-absurd tightness. Gar-Graves - Excellent. Quite realistc, stained real wood ties. Blackened center rail is much less visible. Curves can be to scale. Economy O-27 - Cheap. About a buck per new section. O - Inexpensive. About $1.50 per section. Super O - Expensive. Has not been produced for many years and pieces are collectable. Gargraves - Intermediate. About $4 for 3' section. Variety O-27 - Lots. Comes in several curve diamaters and all forms of special track sections. O - Much. Comes in several curve diameters and most forms of special track sections. Super-O - Few. Singe curve diameter and moderate number of special track sections. GarGraves - Infinite. Curves down to 36" are possible. Switches avalable but most other special sections must be customized. Compatibility O-27 - 27" curves and switches will not accomodate larger "O Scale" equipment. Older Marx is incampatible with Lionel switches and vice versa. O - 31" curves and switches will not accomodate larger "O Scale" equipment. Older Marx is incampatible with Lionel switches and vice versa. Super-O - Will accomodate up to medium-large equipment. GarGraves - Can accomodate nearly any equipment. Kid Play Value O-27 - Good. Easily changed into varied and complex layouts. O - Excelent. Easily changed into varied and complex layouts. Strong. Super-O - Moderate. Less flexibility in design, less resistance to play. GarGraves - Low. Once flexed, cannot be flexed again. How many sections does it take to make a circle? O-27 Style O-27 - 8 per circle O-42 - 12 per circle O-54 - 16 per circle O-31 Style O-31 - 8 per circle O-54 - 16 per circle O-72 - 16 per circle Super O 12 per circle How many sections does it take to make a circle? SWITCHES How do those Lionel "non-derailing" switches work? Lionel switches equipped with the non derailing feature (three rail) have an insulated rail at the end of each track on the split end of the switch. The switch operates by means of two electromagnetic coils wired oppositely, surrounding a plunger. The plunger is mechanically connected to the moving mechanism of the switch. One coil supply is permanently connected to the center power rail, except in the #022 O gauge switch where a constant power plug can replace it. The other supply of each coil is connected to the controller where either can be connected trough the third wire to ground to energize that coil and move the plunger in that direction. In non-derailing the insulated rails are also connected to the appropriate coil to clear trains coming from that direction. When the train axles bridges that rail to the ground rail, the switch will move to pass it automatically and thus avoid derailments in an open switch. Since the insulated rail is at the end of the switch, an insulated track pin is needed to prevent a permanent connection to ground. The length of the insulated can be increased by connecting an insulated rail track to the switch insulated rail. One problem is that when power is supplied and a train is stopped on the switch, the coil will remain energized as long as the rail is bridged. The #022 switch avoids this with a series of contacts inside that deactivate the coil when it is already in the proper direction. What about Marx switches? Marx switches are wired to the opposite polarity so the permanent connection is to ground and the switched supply is the power connection. This makes the insulated rail method impossible, but it also makes the use of constant supply voltage possible without the need of special plugs. Otherwise the switch design is the same. I'm having power conduction trouble beyond my non derailing switches. 99 times of 100 power conduction problems are in the center rail which has nothing to do with the non-derailing feature. On the 1122 the non derailing insulated rails are surrounded by non-insulated rails providing two connections to each connected track. With two rails to each track this usually is not a problem. _BUT_ on the 1122E the insulated rails are NOT so surrounded!!! They are the two closest rails in the Y part of the switch. -------------------------------- --------------=== ----------- -----------\ \ \---------- <--this one \ \ \ \ \ \ <--this one They must have insulating pins at their ends to insulate them from the track ground or else they will be energized ALL THE TIME. This will eventually burn up your switch machine and also drain power from the locomotive. If this in not the problem there may be an internal contact problem. Because of the arrangement of the insulated rails on your switch, there is only one outer rail connected into to each track on the split end of the switch. This makes the probability of a bad connection trough the base plate more likely than on the regular 1122. The three center rails are connected through a buss bar separated from the base plate by a paper insulator. The insulator can fail and cause a short (rare) and more likely the connection to the rail may have worked loose. A simple test to find a bad connection is to take a foot of wire and touching it to each rail on either side of the switch while the train is running thorough the "slow" section. By doing this to each switch and observing if the loco speeds up, you can tell which rail is at fault on which switch. Of course the fail-proof solution to a bad connection is to add another transformer connection to the other side of the switches. Are different brand switches compatible? Essentially all switches with a long pivoting rail are compatible. Older style switches are of this type. ---------------------- ------------*--------- * -----************----- ------ * * ----- * * -----************----- ------\ * *----- \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ The entire center two rails within the switch rotates around a central pivot. This creates a solid path through the switch for the wheel flange. The newer type has only half the two sections move. ---------------------- -----***------------- *****___ **___ ------- \ ------ ------ \ ------ \ *** \ ------*****----- ----- -----\ **----- ----- { \ \ \ \ \ \ | \ ( \ \ \ ( \ \ | | ^-------- switch point At the switch point where the two inner side rails meet there is a flat spot without a rail that allows flanges from both directions to pass through. The result is that the wheel flanges tend to work out momentarily and catch the rail when it starts again. To solve this problem a flange catch "(" is installed on the other rail to hold that wheel and hence the whole axle on the tracks and resist that drift. This works well enough for Lionel and Flyer, but most Marx loco wheels have their gearing extend all the way to the edge of the wheel flange. As a result the gear teeth catch the flange catch causing a derailment. This also occurs on Lionel control rails on RCS, UCS and other sections. Marx switches of this type do not have the flange catches. Their loco wheels have fatter (and less prototypical) wheel flanges with a less steep angle which eliminates the catching of thinner Lionel flanges. Lionel's flange catchers are the same solution used on real railroads as is the entire later switch design (relatively). End of the Tinplate Train FAQ, Part 2 of 4 HAPPY MODELING! On to part 3 of 4