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Alt.Magick Kreeping OoZE FAQ #12: "Why is Josh so hostile??"
________________________________________________________________________

Oh well.  You either learn to walk through the flames, or you get turned
into ash and drift away on the wind.  Yelling at Josh does no good.  He
doesn't care.  If it makes you feel better, by all means yell away.  Just
don't expect results.  Keep handin' out asbestos jammies to the newbies
who get fireballed.

[e-mail] (Nova Solo)
----------------------------

Joshua Geller is the man who was responsible for the creation of the
alt.magick group in the first place. I have inferred that he gets quite
annoyed when the group is used for discussion which is outside the bounds
of the original purpose of the group. What bounds there are I do not
know, since the group is technically not moderated. No, Josh is not an
outsider looking in, as some of you may or may not believe.

[e-mail] (Kendrick Kerwin Chua)
-----------------------------------------------

once upon a time josh created alt.magick, and he was much venerated.
josh once contributed much more interesting opinions to alt.magick
than 'go away'.  once the name of josh struck fear and respect into
the hearts of many, but josh, through a lack personal opinions, has
made himself appear like a crusty old fart who likes nothing better
than to criticize.  now i do feel the criticism and careful examination
is an important work, but i also feel that if that is all one contributes
then one really doesn't have the right to tell people to 'go away'.
if everyone simply went away alt.magick would be either resoundingly
quiet or filled with josh clones.  and i would like to think that more
opinions than josh's (which have become increasingly invisible) could be
aired in alt.magick.

[e-mail] (peter li'ir key)
--------------------------------

      To answer your question about Josh, he is an asshole.  Now, what you
ask, is my definition of an asshole, beyond the obvious anatomical reference?
Josh rarley, if ever, adds a meaningful thought to any thread.  He seems to
have no ideas or knowlege of his own.  I may have missed a few posts, but
everything I have ever read from him amounts to nothing but "You are stupid.
Go away"  Actually, I have a suspicion that he has only ever written one post
and just keeps repeating it.  Too often, this drivel is one of the first
replies a newcomer gets.  After about the first 30 posts of his I read, I
gave up on him as having nothing constructive to say and nothing intelligent
to add to any conversation.  How interesting can a broken record be?

go away *click* go away *click* go away *click* go away *click* go away

   Wow, isn't that facinating?  Don't you just want to talk to this guy all
day long?
   Someone who goes from conversation to conversation adding nothing of
substance and just being rude and yelling "Go away" fits my definition of
asshole.  And what a good definition it is, IMNSHO!

[e-mail] (Jeff Foehringer)
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In article <36ou74$[e-mail]>,
Doctress Neutopia <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Jesse Garon ([e-mail]) wrote:
>
>: if so, it's Josh Geller's casting, not yours.
>:                                 ________
>
>I have wondered about this.  Josh wanted my magic off alt.magick.
>That is why he help create alt.society.neutopia.  So really it
>was neutopia's magic which created this place.

Josh, if you are out there, you should know you have accomplished the
first fully successful net.banishing. Congratulations.

[e-mail] (Scott "Blade" Hamilton)
----------------------------------------------

a. He has something really, really big and sharp (like a huge pinecone)
jammed up his ass..this makes him a wee bit surly.

-or-

b. He's seen so many clueless nits that he's half(?) insane from trying
to talk to them and has stopped trying.

-or-

c. He's secretly into Zen and is leading us all to some cosmic epiphany.

-or-

d. He's not getting laid enough and is feeling hostile.

-or-

e. He's living at a different speed from the rest of us and each one of
his messages contains a small amount of code that when assembled will
spell out some great secret.

-or-

d. He's a 'bot running on someone's computer somewhere.

I'll leave others to speculate on what might be true. (Laugh) I'm
actually quite curious about what kind of Magick Josh does.

[e-mail]
-------------------

In order to gain knowledge beyond the obvious we have to open
up our senses and become receptive to things that most people
are trained to filter out.  In order to gain new insights into
ourselves and our lives, we have to be willing to wrestle with
things that do not yet make sense.  In pursuit of deeper
understanding, we must be prepared to immerse ourselves more
deeply in delusion.

This is an insideously risky process, and we should periodically
surface to ask ourselves whether or not we are, in fact, getting
anywhere.

Josh is like an alarm clock ... set to wake us up when the bullshit
seems to be getting dangerously deep.  The alarm clock doesn't actually
know whether or not you have an appointment on any particular morning,
and so it will often wake us up when we were not in danger of being
late.  It has, however, kept me from being late enough times that I
do not curse it when it goes off.

[e-mail] (Mark Kampe)
---------------------------------------

Once a student of Zen asked his teacher, "Who is the Buddha?" The master
replied by picking up his staff and whacking his pupil hard against the
head. The student, as emotionally hurt as physically, left the teacher and
went in search of a new master. Eventually he was accepted by an instructor
who realized that the student had been exposed to Zen. The new teacher
asked the student where he had studied, whereupon the student explained how
his former master had hit him. The new master became indignant with anger.
"Go back to your former teacher," he demanded, "and apologize for not
thanking him for his grandmotherly kindness!"

And so it is with Josh. Only he's hardly a Zen teacher, save for the
brevity of his more recent contributions to alt.magick.

[e-mail] (Utopium Enterprizes)
-------------------------------------------

"Josh is a bot" -- AShtoN

"Josh is always correct."  - Peggy -

"Ask josh.  He'll tell you the truth." -- hiho

"this isn't a support group." -- josh

"Who died and made you Josh?"  -- Tyagi Mordred Nagasiva

The Master often leaves a path of bodies in hir wake.  All who have come
before hir to prevent hir passage must be slain and left for dead.
Sometimes Monsalvat must be taken by storm.  A frightful army of
resistors may rise up, yet these are simply the grogs, the fodder
of the Evil One, who shall fall before the Blade of Reason like
butter before the searing tine.

[e-mail] (AShtoN)
--------------------------

theories vary. some say he's just an asshole. some say he attempts
to keep the noise to signal ration down. some say he likes poking
stupid people with sharp sticks for his own personal amusement. no
one will ever know for sure.

josh is so hostile because he is surrounded by humans.

joshua geller <[e-mail]>
=================================================== END OF OOZING FAQ #12

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