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- Subject: Wine (the beverage) FAQ, part5 of 10 [LONG]
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- Summary: A 10 part FAQ on the beverage wine with various asides
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- Glassware
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-
- The size and shape of the glass can contribute to the enjoyment of
- drinking wine. Whether you need to spend a fortune on your glasses (which
- I tend to break a lot of when cleaning up) is another story altogether.
-
- Generally speaking a glass with a long stem lets you swirl the wine more
- easily (swirling helps bring out the smells of the wine, which is very
- important to the tasting process). The long stem also keeps the heat of
- your hand away from the wine. (Of course, with the way I've been served
- some wines, you have to grasp the bowl of the glass firmly and often just
- to warm it up!) In order to capture the scents, its nice to have a glass
- that is more narrow at the top than the area below (in other words, a
- large bowl). In this way there is a larger surface area of wine in the
- bottom and the bouquet of the wine can get trapped by the narrowing of the
- glass. (Which reminds me how often I have to stop restaurant servers from
- filling my glass of wine--even in places where there is very nice
- stemware, many servers just don't know how to pour.)
-
- Riedel produces (web
- site [http://www.riedelcrystal.co.at] :
- http://www.riedelcrystal.co.at) an expensive line of glasses, none of
- which I own. Supposedly each glass (and there are different shapes for
- different types of wines) is designed to maximize taste and aroma by
- delivering the wine to the right part of the mouth, as well as being
- shaped properly to catch and concentrate the scents of the wine. How you
- may ask, can this be?
-
- In terms of acidity, tannins, fruit flavors, aromatic components, and the
- like, different types of wine have different palate profiles. These are
- sensed by different parts of the tongue, nose and throat. Supposedly, wine
- glasses can be designed to channel the wine as you sip it to the parts of
- the mouth where you will get the optimal tasting experience. It is said
- that there is a different place in the mouth for each wine, hence the
- different shapes for the glasses, based on centuries-old concepts. But
- whether you really need five sets of wine glasses (or for some even one
- set of really expensive glasses) is left to your own sensibilities. A
- non-statistical, admittedly unscientific sample size of public postings
- tells me that some swear that these Riedel glasses make a large
- difference, especially after side-by-side tastings between Riedel and
- non-Riedel glasses, and others don't. Decide for yourself!
-
- The International Standards Organization (ISO) in the United Kingdom sets
- forth a design for a wine glass which can be inexpensive but very useful.
- They are smaller and less exciting than the fancy, expensive glasses, but
- are a lot cheaper to replace when smashed by host, guest or dishwasher.
- Many people find them to be perfectly adequate, however do admit to liking
- glasses with somewhat larger bowls. Personally, I like the latter, but
- haven't found it necessary to get really expensive stemware.
-
- Wine drinking is an adventure. Think about it. If you had an especially
- good wine experience, was it just the wine? Or was it also the events
- surrounding the drinking of the wine? Two _identical_ wines could seem
- different merely by the activities that surround its consumption. A
- romantic dinner? While the glass you use may or may not have an impact, I
- suggest that other peripheral items may be much more significant.
-
- Washing glasses somehow has gotten controversial. Seems some people object
- to the dishwasher (and I've found some truth to this). Probably one should
- merely watch out (whether washing by hand or machine) about using too much
- soap or detergent which might leave a residue that will affect the wine.
-
- Storing glasses is also something to think about. I tend to break them
- (no, not drunk, just clumsy the next day). The cost of expensive wine
- glasses is going to add up if you are ungraceful, so there may be the
- temptation to store them in the cardboard box that they probably came in.
- If you do this, wash the glasses before use. If the cardboard has gotten
- at all damp, it may get moldy and contribute off flavors to the glass and
- to the wine.
-
- Storing Wine After It's Opened
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Wine deteriorates in the presence of oxygen. The most practical thing to
- do is finish the wine. When this isn't sensible, the idea of buying
- smaller bottles (or taking home unfinished bottles when drunk in a
- restaurant--you don't _have_ to leave them--though in California, make
- sure you take it home in the trunk of your car), when available, can be a
- better solution. You can cook with leftover wine, or even turn it to
- vinegar (why buy when you can have homemade?). Also note that some young,
- tannic wines might actually taste better the next day.
-
- But, there is always the time when you want to try to preserve the quality
- of the wine for as long as you can. To do this, you want to prevent as
- much oxygen as you can from getting to it.
-
- One of the better ways is to fill the bottle with an inert gas. There are
- several different systems which do this, but they tend to be relatively to
- extremely expensive. Nevertheless, for the serious aficionado, this is
- probably the best solution.
-
- Another product, the Vacu-vin (tm) is a small pump device that comes with
- rubber stoppers and a small hole in the middle of the stopper. The idea is
- that you can suck a fair amount of air from the bottle, thus reducing the
- effect of oxygen. Some, but not all, people feel that it might add 2 or 3
- days to the life of the bottle.
-
- Other cheap and interesting ideas: Get a bunch of glass marbles. Clean
- them, then put them in the bottle until the liquid is to the top, then
- cork. Or, just transfer the wine to a smaller bottle. Or both.
-
- Refrigerating the wine is an option, the theory being that a cooler wine
- will oxidize less quickly (and for the ultimate in this thoery, see
- freezing, below). There are those they try this trick and claim success.
- In fact, now that I think of it, that's what I do.
-
- _Freezing Wine?_
-
- Initially I wrote "one economical wine lover suggests freezing as a means
- of longer term storage. I haven't tried this and probably won't; freezing
- should alter the character of the wine. Cooking with leftovers is probably
- a better bet."
-
- However, there have been a fair number of people who claim positive
- results with the process--not only with freezing, but even by nuking the
- wine (gently) in a microwave to thaw it (at least part of the way).
-
- These people very happy with the results. A few have noted that in some
- wines there are radically increased precipitates, mostly potassium
- tartrate. (Increased precipitates result because the water freezes at
- higher temperatures, therefore the concentration of alcohol and soluble
- items--such as potassium tartrate--are higher in the liquid portion [the
- water turning to ice]. Things which will precipitate out easily, will do
- so, and probably won't dissolve back into the wine so quickly. Now, one
- possible effect of this is that a wine will taste less acidic--which may
- or may not be a desirable effect. Another effect is that the constituents
- of the wine which make up taste and color can be affected. But then, if it
- works for you . . . .
-
- I think I'll still stand by my original statement that "generally
- speaking, most stored wine, no matter what you do to it, won't be as good
- as when you opened it." Nevertheless, those who like the idea of freezing
- wine seem to think it works better than most of the other storage methods.
-
-
- VI. BUYING WINE
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- _What Wine to Buy?_
-
- Nobody can tell you what wine to buy, since what _you_ like is the best
- test. The more you taste different wines, the more you will come to know
- what you like, etc.
-
- But . . . If you are just starting out, here's some hints that we and
- others seem to ignore completely a lot of the time: Don't buy too much of
- a wine you haven't tasted (just because it got a good rating or is
- something you liked in earlier vintages). Don't buy a bunch of wine that
- you won't drink until after it goes bad. (I don't want to tell you how
- much white wine I have aged to extinction from my earlier days in buying
- wine.)
-
- _Where to Buy Wine_
-
- Depends on what you're drinking. Fortified wines to be carried and drunk
- while wrapped in a brown bag can be gotten pretty cheaply at the local
- market or liquor store. And, in _some_ of the United States, wine can only
- be purchased in state run establishments (often closed on Sundays).
-
- If you are drinking a wine that is meant to be drunk young, you can pretty
- much buy your wine at the best price you can find. When it comes to wines
- to cellar, more care should be exercised. You want to learn a bit about
- your wine merchant. Since wines can be stored improperly or may have been
- subjected to heat and other improper handling, you could find that after
- keeping an expensive red wine for ten years, what you have to drink is
- worthless. Furthermore, a respectable merchant will often be willing to
- take back flawed bottles (see the definition of "flawed" elsewhere).
-
- Wines can often be purchased at wineries (what an odd place to find wine).
- The good news here is that you may get wines that are never available
- anywhere else (you don't mass market 20 cases of wine). The sort of bad
- news is that you might find that the wine you bought could have been found
- less expensively elsewhere (though one hopes that the storage conditions
- at the winery are better?).
-
- Wineries will ship wine, depending on where they are and where you are.
- Various laws come into play about the shipping of wine from one place to
- another (though I heard that one wine merchant--I wasn't told who--merely
- labels the box "guns" and has no trouble at all; there _are_ ways). Some
- wineries sell virtually all of their wine by mail.
-
- Other wine merchants (sometimes calling themselves wine "clubs") will ship
- wine. Several people have positively mentioned the following (but I don'
- have any independent knowledge and guarantee nothing!).
-
- There are so many places selling wine on the World Wide Web, that there is
- no point in trying to keep up with listing them in a FAQ. Best use one of
- the dozen or so search engines for that task. Interestingly enough, since
- there are so many laws about the shipment of wine within the United
- States, or between countries, that it will be a fascinating sidelight to
- see which falls first, Internet sales or those laws.
-
- _What is Wine Worth?_
-
- A correspondent sent me this quote: "I think that the best way to learn
- about wine is to drink the cheapest wine you can find. If you can't find
- any cheap wine you like, then spend a few more dollars. And then a few
- more, and more, and more . . . . " Depending on what you can afford to pay
- for wine, the unfortunate truth is that generally, better wine costs more,
- however it isn't necessarily true that wine that costs more is better.
-
- The real fact is that you shouldn't be swayed by the opinions of others.
- If you like it, fine, if you don't, don't buy it. If it is inexpensive and
- suits your taste, great! I once bought a couple of bottles of wine for a
- couple of dollars each because the name of the winery was the same as the
- street I lived on. It wasn't wonderful (so far as we remember) and we
- stuck it away in a closet. Five years later the stuff was absolutely great.
-
- For wholesale wine (and other liquor) prices, you might find a copy of
- "Beverage Media", (from Beverage Media Ltd., 161 Avenue of the Americas,
- New York, New York 10013) which calls itself "The largest compilation of
- alcoholic beverage price brand information in America."
-
- Some wines may be very good but their prices could be considered out of
- line with similar quality wines. Why, then, do they cost so much? My guess
- is snob appeal and/or the marketing skills of the winery. A number of
- people have commented that they consider _*Opus One*_ to fall into this
- category.
-
- Recently, while dining, out I overheard another table (clearly owners of a
- wine shop) being asked by the restaurant manager whether the establishment
- should purchase some _*Opus One*_. They hemmed and hawed and politely
- noted that it was a "high end" item and perhaps there were other wines
- that would be just as good for lesser price. That sums up a lot of what I
- have heard of this wine, a joint production between Robert Mondavi and the
- late Baron Philippe de Rothschild of Bordeaux attempting to produce French
- style wine with California grapes. The consensus of opinion in the Usenet
- posts that I have followed relate that _*Opus One*_ is a generally well
- made wine that is overpriced but will be reliable to people ordering in
- restaurants who don't know much about better (or just as good) less
- expensive wines. I've never tasted it, so try some, if you can (and want
- to make up your own mind). And we've spent so much time talking about this
- one wine because it is a very frequently asked question!
-
- _My Significant Other Doesn't Like Red Wine_
-
- First off, nobody is advocating that it is important to get people to
- start drinking wine. If water is what a person wants, leave them alone! In
- any event, a question that seems to keep coming up is "my wife doesn't
- like red wine." So what? Why should she? That being said, it seems that
- the natural progression when learning about and drinking wine is to move
- from light fruity white wine to light fruity red wine, then to the more
- hearty and more aged red wines.
-
- As to _what_ wines, here's a generic sampling culled from Usenet, designed
- for the novice red wine drinker (and already I have letters that the list
- is completely wrong!):
-
- Bardolino. Beaujolais. Bergerac. Cotes du Frontonnais. Dolcetto. Gamay.
- Grenache Rose. Lighter Pinot Noirs. Rioja Gran Reserva. Rose. Valpolicella
-
-
- VII. WINES
-
- Grapes
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- Before you talk about specific wines (like Pinot Noir or Merlot, as
- opposed to specific producers), you really have to start with a discussion
- of grapes. While there are lots of grapes in the world (travel up and down
- the "Central Valley" of California and see all the "table" grapes), there
- are a select few which are used for making the best wines. These are known
- as "noble grapes.".
-
- A note--I know that there are a _lot_ of grapes missing. As time permits,
- they'll get added. Here are some:
-
- _Red Wine_
-
- _*Cabernet Sauvignon.*_ One of the components of French Bordeaux, it is
- also the major (if not sometimes only) grape in the most popularly drunk
- American red wines in what might be called, for lack of a better term, the
- "snob appeal" class. (For in fact there is probably more American jug wine
- that never sees the cabernet grape drunk each year in the United States
- than all the cabernet sauvignon from all the wineries in the world put
- together. Prestige and/or quality are not always equal to popularity.)
- Cabernet Sauvignon contains a lot of tannins that lead to the long aged,
- "better" red wines. Depending on where it is grown it may smell of cassis
- and black currants or black cherry and red currants. Some people may
- notice a cigar box smell. Bell peppers, asparagus, and rhubarb are common
- tasting notes for cabernet produced from grapes that are not quite ripe. A
- bit of this sort of character is considered, by some, to be pleasing (the
- wine is called "herbaceous"), too much of this flavor is unappealing--and
- the wine will be described as "vegetal". Out tasting at a "fancy" winery I
- tasted a wine that smelled and tasted so overwhelmingly of asparagus
- (which I don't like) that I couldn't drink anything else the entire day.
- The winery people admitted that while some people loved that particular
- wine, others had the same reaction as myself. I think I turned about as
- green as the asparagus I imagined.
-
- _*Barbera.*_ A major Italian variety with a "tarry" smell and medium body.
-
- _*Cabernet Franc.*_ Also a component of Bordeaux, a little is often
- blended with Cabernet Sauvignon to add bouquet. Some don't think much of
- it when drunk all by itself.
-
- _*Gamay.*_ Produces a fruity wine such as French Beaujolais. (The
- California Gamay Beaujolais is not the same grape, but makes a wine that
- comes close.)
-
- _*Grenache.*_ Often used to make rose wine, it is a component of French
- Chateauneuf-du-Pape, Cotes du Rhone and most other appellations from the
- south of France. There are also many tasty grenache-based wines from Spain
- (where it is called garnacha) and from California.
-
- _*Merlot.*_ One of the major components of most French Bordeaux, also with
- less tannin that makes for a smoother characteristic in the wine. Alone
- (or practically alone), it makes another of the more popular U.S. wines.
- Though it is like Cabernet, it is usually "rounder". It is often blended
- with Cabernet Sauvignon.
-
- _*Nebbiolo.*_ Can be found in California, but is really a grape of the
- Piedmont area of Northern Italy. Found in Barbaresco and Barolo wines,
- which can be aged with great success.
-
- _*Syrah.*_ "True Syrah" and Petite Sirah are not the same, the former a
- relative of Durif from the Rhone in France (and a major variety in its own
- right), the latter a variety grown relatively widely in California and
- said to be genetically the same as the obscure French Durif variety. Both
- produce more or less deeply-red-colored, tannic, long lived wines, the
- latter being a bit more "peppery." You might also see Australian Shiraz,
- which is the same grape variety as the "true" French syrah, but because of
- differences in growing conditions between the two countries, much of it
- ends up tasting more like the California petite sirah, perhaps with more
- of a chocolate note.
-
- _*Pinot Noir.*_ The only grape in the famous French Red Burgundy
- appellations of the Cotes de Beaune, Cotes de Nuit and Cote d'or.. Some
- U.S. winemakers will make Pinot Noir "in the French style." Or not.
- Interestingly, they are lighter in color (but not flavor) than
- Bordeaux/Cabernet.
-
- _*Zinfandel.*_ Mostly from California, it has a great deal of fruit like
- characteristics. Some young Zinfandels are also "spicy." Good red
- Zinfandel is often a bargain in restaurants, being less expensive than
- other wines, but still very drinkable. (Huge quantities of Zinfandel are
- made into "White Zin," a sweet, uncomplicated (and usually inexpensive)
- wine that is favored by people who do not drink much wine. A decent White
- Zinfandel can make a nice "picnic wine." We especially like zin from "old
- vines" (pictured).
-
- _White Wine_
-
- _*Chardonnay.*_ Produces French white Burgundy and perhaps the most
- popular (once again "snob" class--see Cabernet Sauvignon, above) wines in
- the U.S. "Give me a glass of white wine" will probably get you Chardonnay
- at "better" restaurants. (In fact, a lot of jug wine--which is to say, a
- vast amount of wine--in the United States is made from what are "lesser"
- grape varieties like French colombard or sultana.)
-
- _*Chenin Blanc.*_ The major grape planted in the French Loire valley. In
- the U.S., often used to make a light, fruity wine.
-
- _*Gewurztraminer.*_ Some confusion abounds this wine, partly because
- non-German speaking persons may not order it in a restaurant because they
- can't pronounce it and partly because of the way in which parts of the
- word can be translated. I'm told the German word "wuerz" literally means
- "spice", but "gewuerz" is better translated as "aromatic" or "fragrant."
- Wine from this grape has a floral smell and the wine itself is often drunk
- with spicy foods. Gewurztraminer also makes a good "late harvest" sweet
- dessert wine. It is more common in Alsace, Italy, and the United States
- than in Germany and many "experts" say Alsace makes the best.
-
- _*Riesling.*_ Also, to me, producing a floral smelling sort of wine, it
- also makes a sort of light, fresh type of wine. Makes a great "late
- harvest" sweet dessert wine (for which it is especially known in Germany).
- Another viewpoint, it isn't so much floral as "minerally" with accents of
- fuel oil--not light and fresh, instead, lots of depth and complexity in
- something like a good German Riesling Spatlese or Alsatian Grand Cru.
-
- _*Sauvignon Blanc*_ (sometimes called _*Fume Blanc*_, at least in
- California). In the U.S., makes a crisp, light wine (sometimes with a
- "grassy" or "herbaceous" characteristic). It is a component (along with
- Semillon ) of the French dessert wine, Sauternes and the white wines of
- Bordeaux.
-
- _*Semillon*_. As with many grapes, while grown elsewhere (such as
- California), Semillon is one of the major varieties grown in Bordeaux.
- Like Sauvignon Blanc is can often have a grassy (or herbaceous) note, but
- also may have notes of ripe figs. It may be drunk "dry", or "sweet", and
- as such, it is a component (along with Sauvignon Blanc ) of the French
- dessert wine, Sauternes and the white wines of Bordeaux.
-
- Because I am neither an expert or a global traveler, nor independently
- wealthy, you may notice a lack of discussion about other grapes from
- around the world. I'm always open for opinions, though! Anybody want to
- tell me a lot of good things about, for example, Germany, Italy,
- Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Spain (these are things people have
- written to me about) and you name the list of other countries, wines, etc.
- that I've missed!
-
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