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- Summary: This article describes the straight-edge lifestyle, AKA sXe,
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- alt.punk.straight-edge sXe FAQ
- maintained by Lars Norved ><xjusticex@geocities.com><
- <http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Ramp/4130>
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-
- Subject: i. Introduction
-
- This article aims to provide information about being straight-edge.
- The information has been compiled from many sources and is believed to
- be close to the truth but there is no guarantee given. If you know
- better, contribute your wisdom!
-
- These frequently asked questions were initially gathered together on
- 22 May 1997 and was approved by the *.answers moderators on 05 Jun 1997.
- Since then I've discovered an earlier, unofficial alt.punk.straight-edge
- FAQ by Randy Thatcher [12] last updated 28 Feb 1995. This is actually
- also the source of much of the information from some of the early
- references for this document.
-
- If you'd like to use this article to provide information to others for
- free, then feel free but please present it whole or properly qouted
- and referenced. Please cite it as:
-
- Lars Norved <xjusticex@geocities.com>, alt.punk.straight-edge sXe FAQ,
- Usenet alt.punk.straight-edge,
- <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/cultures/straight-edge-faq>.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: ii. Table of Contents
-
- i. Introduction
- ii. Table of Contents
- iii. References
- iv. Where to find this FAQ
- v. About the maintainer
- vi. A word about SPAM
- vii. Questions in progress
-
- 1. About straight-edge
- 1-1. What is alt.punk.straight-edge?
- 1-2. Where does the name straight-edge come from?
- 1-3. What's with the Xs?
- 1-4. What is sXe?
- 1-5. Where can I find hardcore sex?
- 1-6. Is straight-edge a religion?
- 1-7. Why do kids get into straight-edge?
- 1-8. How do I join the straight-edge?
- 1-9. Why do you need a label to be poison free?
-
- 2. About the music
- 2-1. What is hardcore?
- 2-2. What's the difference between old school and new
- school bands?
- 2-3. What is emo?
- 2-4. Who was the first straight-edge band?
- 2-5. What is this windmill dance?
- 2-6. What is floorpunching?
- 2-7. What other dances are there?
-
- 3. About the commitment
- 3-1. Why are there so many rules?
- 3-2. If I slip from the 'edge does that mean I can't be
- straight-edge anymore?
- 3-3. Can I be straight-edge and a Christian?
- 3-4. If I'm straight-edge can I take holy communion?
- 3-5. Can I be straight-edge and gay?
- 3-6. Is straight-edge about politics?
- 3-7. Do I have to be vegan/vegetarian to be straight-edge?
- 3-8. Can I take medications if I'm straight-edge?
- 3-9. Is taking caffeine straight-edge?
- 3-10. How much does pro-life feature in sXe?
- 3-11. Don't most stop being straight-edge when they reach
- drinking age?
- 3-12. All my friends drink, does this mean I have to find
- new friends?
- 3-13. Do straight-edge kids have sex at all?
- 3-14. I used to drink and do drugs, can I still be sXe?
-
- 4. About the scene
- 4-1. Aren't you all just mummy's boys?
- 4-2. Why do all you kids wear backpacks?
- 4-3. Why is straight-edge so narrow minded?
- 4-4. Why can't we have unity within hardcore/punk?
- 4-5. Isn't straight-edge just a fad?
- 4-6. What is hardline straight-edge?
- 4-7. What is a poseur?
- 4-8. Is sXe a crutch for the weak?
- 4-9. What is a sellout?
- 4-10. Why do a lot of you people use the name of your band
- or 'zine as a surname?
- 4-11. Why don't sXe kids have a sense of humour?
- 4-12. What is DIY?
- 4-13. What is the relationship of sXe to skating and BMX?
- 4-14. Why is there so much violence in sXe?
-
- 5. About the people
- 5-1. What do you guys wear?
- 5-2. What's with the tattoos and stuff?
- 5-3. Who's who of apse?
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: iii. References
-
- [1] Josh Krist <joshuak@vpico!com>, White Punks on Hope - What's
- punk rock without the beer and nihilism? Better, according to
- members of the Valley's "straight-edge" punk scene.,
- Phoenix New Times, 1996,
- <http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1996/082296/music1.html>.
-
- [2] Daniel Zander <XzanderX@bigfoot!com>, Straight Edge - The
- Discipline, Cyber Edge,
- <http://xxcyberxx.xxedgexx.com/sXe.html>.
-
- [3] David Diekmann <david@crackedass!com>, Minor Threat: Lyrics,
- CrackedAss punk-ska-hardcore zine & records, 1997,
- <http://www.crackedass.com/minorthreat/lyrics.html>.
-
- [4] Juergen Heerdegen <juergen@straight-edge!com>, More than you'd
- care to know about straight-edge, straight-edge.com
- Website, <http://www.straight-edge.com/definition.html>.
-
- [5] Bruce Buckley, Earth Crisis - Desperate music for desperate
- times, Syracuse New Times, 1996,
- <http://www.rway.com/newtimes/111396/cover.htm>.
-
- [6] <xjeffx@creighton!edu>, More Straight Edge For Your Money!!,
- <http://www.creighton.edu/~xjeffx/>.
-
- [7] Ruth Horner <softie@rocketmail!com>, sXe Intro, Punks G Hybrid zine,
- <http://www.phreakco.com/punksg/columns/ruth/intro.htm>.
-
- [8] Greg Patterson, The Straight Edge, Seattle Times, 1995,
- <http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~jdschepp/sxe/texts/seattle.htm>.
-
- [9] Sean J. Mallison, The Straight Edge: Clean Living's New Look,
- NY Times,
- <http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~jdschepp/sxe/texts/nytimes.htm>.
-
- [10] Hardline Creed, <http:/www.pitt.edu/~mpkst6/HL.html>.
-
- [11] Laurie Mercer <laurie@musicwest!com>, What is Hardcore?,
- D.O.A.'s Hardcore homepage,
- <http://www.musicwest.com/DOA/doaishc.html>.
-
- [12] Randy Thatcher <rht3@po!cwru!edu>, alt.punk.straight-edge
- Frequently Asked Questions, 1995,
- <http://k2.scl.cwru.edu/~rht3/faq>.
-
- [13] Matt Williams, Outside Dremley Studios - an interview with
- Russ Rankin from Good Riddance, June '95,
- <http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/4379/gr-info.html>.
-
- [14] Michael Traub <traub@mistral!co!uk>, rec.food.veg FREQUENTLY
- ASKED QUESTIONS LIST (FAQ), Usenet rec.food.veg,
- <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/vegetarian/faq>.
-
- [15] Straight Edge Vegan Mailing List, Vegan Straight Edge Site,
- <http://www.vegan-straight-edge.org.uk/sxevegan.htm>.
-
- [16] Jacques <Jacques.DeSchepper@rug.ac.be> and Nicolas
- <950906nm@babbage.hogent.be>, x Straightedge Park x,
- <http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~jdschepp/sxe/main.htm>.
-
- [17] "Earth Crisis going mainstream", Destroy Babylon, Issue 4,
- 1996.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: iv. Where to find this FAQ
-
- This FAQ is posted monthly to the Usenet newsgroups
- alt.punk.straight-edge, alt.music.hardcore,
- alt.lifestyle.substance-free, alt.skate-board, alt.answers, and
- news.answers where you should be able to find it. Most news server
- honours the expiration date for news.answers so this is probably the
- best place to look for it.
-
- The latest officially posted copy of this FAQ is archived at
- rtfm.mit.edu. You can retrieve it by anonymous FTP from:
- <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/cultures/straight-edge-faq>
-
- If you don't want to use FTP you can get it via email by sending an
- email request to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with the following line in
- the body of the message. Note there should not be any spaces before the
- word send.
-
- send usenet/news.answers/cultures/straight-edge-faq
-
- A hypertext version is also maintained automatically at
- <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cultures/straight-edge-faq/>.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: v. About the maintainer
-
- I was always meant to be straight-edge
- I've never liked the taste of alcohol
- I've never liked the smell of smoke
- I've kept myself for my special girl
-
- I've always dressed to be different
- I've always liked my music radical
- I've never really had any friends
- Now I've been labelled straight-edge
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: vi. A word about SPAM
-
- Since I started to post this FAQ I've been inundated with junk emails
- from mindless shits that can't respect anyone's privacy. As a result
- all email addresses are listed with exclaimation marks in place of
- the periods to save my friends from the curse of SPAM.
-
- On 02 Jul 1997 Rodger Whitlock <totototo@mail!pacificcoast!net> wrote:
- "What are Spammerz? They are parasitic, thieving, bottom-feeding,
- asocial would-be entreprenuers with Ayn-Randish hero complexes, who
- abuse UseNet by sending out massive numbers of newsgroup messages
- (and email) advertising porn sites, phone sex lines, psychic readings,
- make-money-fast schemes, multi-level marketing schemes, and other
- methods for separating you from your hard-earned money without
- providing anything of use in return.
-
- "Why Spam? There is a Monty Python skit featuring a song, the text of
- which is essentially "Spam" over and over - that's all you get - it's
- everywhere.
-
- "Welcome aboard."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: vii. Questions in progress
-
- The following are some questions that people want answers to but haven't
- been finalised yet. Please mail me your ideas for questions and answers.
-
- Got any more questions?
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1. About straight-edge
-
- Straight Edge is a more philosophical offshoot of the punk movement, a
- reaction to the hedonism and self-destruction that characterised punk.
- The basic tenet of the philosophy centres around the issue of
- self-control. The goal is to regain as much personal control over your
- own life as possible. sXe is the only youth counter-culture to actively
- discourage drug use, alcohol use, and casual sex. [2] [12]
-
- Straight edge is a lifestyle centred around personal development and
- well being, while encouraging fun and togetherness. sXe is not just
- about being into contemporary punk music acts and being against drugs.
- It goes deeper than this. The movement wishes to attract people away
- from dependancy lifestyles centred around drug habits (legal or
- illegal) and unhealthy and exploitative eating and general living
- habits common in modern cultures. sXe is not dogmatic, there are no
- hard rules, these are for you to decide. Nobody should dictate like
- the police, or preach an ideology like the church or state. [15]
-
- The term itself is believed to have been coined by the band Minor
- Threat of the punk rock/hardcore scene in the early '80s. Their singer
- Ian MacKaye eschewed the nihilistic tendencies of punk rock, promoting
- instead the simple (almost simplistic) philosophy of "don't drink/
- don't smoke/ don't fuck." [4]
-
- Out of Step (with the world)
- by Minor Threat, 1981 [3]
-
- (I) Don't smoke
- Don't drink
- Don't fuck
- At least I can fucking think
-
- I can't keep up
- Can't keep up
- Can't keep up
- Out of step with the world
-
- In the 12 years since the demise of Minor Threat, these simple beliefs
- have transformed the minds of scores of teens worldwide. Increasingly
- disenchanted with societal ills, young men and women adopt the
- straight-edge doctrine as a blueprint to better first themselves, and
- then the world in which they live. While the original definition of
- straight-edge only included the rejection of mind altering substances
- and promiscuous sex, modern interpretations include a vegetarian (or
- vegan) diet and an increasing involvement and awareness of
- environmental and political issues. [4]
-
- On 15 Sep 1997 Andy Dempz <adempz@umich!edu> wrote:
- "Well... [Ian] might be credited with starting it, but he's made it
- abundantly clear he doesn't care for what's it turned into. Read old
- Minor Threat interviews, i bet most Earth Crisis fans would be shocked to
- hear him say 'it doesn't mean never drink a beer...' Besides, after
- watching every "hero" since then fall, from SSD to Youth of Today to
- today's flavor of the month, i think worrying about some stranger's
- lifestyle in regards to your own is a little silly. I do this for me,
- no one else."
-
- On 17 Sep 1997 Andy Dempz <adempz@umich!edu> wrote:
- "I mean gees, just listen to what he mumbles in the middle of Out of
- Step, 'there's no set of rules, i'm just bringing up three things
- that are like so important to the whole world... whether they're
- fuckin, or whether they're playing golf.' So maybe golf isn't sxe!"
-
- From a Minor Threat interview in Touch & Go zine:
- "Ian: Like Straight Edge, people have taken it to an extreme...as far
- as i'm concerned all we did was put out an idea... if people wanna
- hear it as preaching if that's what they want. Straight edge to me
- is someone who is alert enough to benefit from what he or she is
- doing...
-
- "Lyle: the drug and alcohol is only one side of it anyway, it's alot
- more than that, there are other things that can sidetrack you...
-
- "Ian: That's what "don't Fuck" means... alot of people think that to
- be straight edge you can't drink, smoke, or have sex and that's
- silly... what the don't fuck thing is that the whole getting laid
- and getting head thing
-
- "Lyle: living for sex
-
- "Ian: following your penis around is fucking people up more than
- anything"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-1. What is alt.punk.straight-edge?
-
- alt.punk.straight-edge is a news group on Usenet that provides a forum
- for discussions about the straight-edge lifestyle. The sort of things
- that should be posted includes questions and news about straight-edge
- hardcore/punk bands, the straight-edge lifestyle, and the scene. The
- sort of posts that aren't welcome is SPAM, mindless insults (lets try
- to be creative :), and irrelevant cross-posted threads.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-2. Where does the name straight-edge come from?
-
- According to legend, the drummer for Minor Threat [Jeff Nelson], one of
- the first bands to preach the "stay punk, stay clean" ethos, ...was
- drawing a poster for a show using a wood ruler. He commented to his
- bandmates that the ruler's straight edge was a metaphor for their
- lifestyle. [1]
-
- Straight Edge
- by Minor Threat, 1981 [3]
-
- I'm a person just like you
- But I've got better things to do
- Than sit around and fuck my head
- Hang out with the living dead
- Snort white shit up my nose
- Pass out at the shows
- I don't even think about speed
- That's something I just don't need
-
- I've got the straight edge
-
- I'm a person just like you
- But I've got better things to do
- Than sit around and smoke dope
- 'Cause I know I can cope
- Laugh at the thought of eating ludes
- Laugh at the thought of sniffing glue
- Always gonna keep in touch
- Never want to use a crutch
-
- I've got the straight edge
-
- On 30 Aug 1997 erik mohr <emandrew@mindspring!com> wote:
- "my understanding of the origin was that ian mc.. wanted to call minor
- threat "straight edge" and the rest of the guys wouldn't go for it. so
- he wrote a song cause he liked the name."
-
- On 09 Aug 1998 Larry Phillips <bigphil@solutions!mb!ca> wrote:
- "Ian Macaye didn't want to call the band "Straight Edge", he wanted to
- call it "Straight". here is the exact quote from the interview with
- him in the sXe book on Revelation "I wanted just to name the band
- "Straight," because we were going to push this thing even more. We
- didn't end up using it for the name of the band, but I ended up writing
- a song about it, and it was basically a song which was, in my mind,
- championing the individual.""
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-3. What's with the Xs?
-
- A common practice at all-ages punk shows was to mark minors with an "X"
- on their hands so they couldn't buy alcohol. As the straight-edge
- philosophy grew popular, punkers who were older than 18 but didn't
- drink for ideological reasons started to mark themselves with the X in
- a show of solidarity. [1]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-4. What is sXe?
-
- sXe is really just an acronym for straight-edge with the X thrown for
- good measure.
-
- If you have more stuff on the history and origin of the use of the
- term "sXe", share it.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-5. Where can I find hardcore sex?
-
- Man! You're seriously in the wrong place. And maybe you should see
- somebody about that dyslexia.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-6. Is straight-edge a religion?
-
- No. Although sXe embraces some of the moral values held by most major
- religions, sXe'ers don't necessarily believe in a God. There is no
- organised church or worship service. However, some sXe'ers are members
- of organised churches, temples or mosques where they feel that the sXe
- beliefs fit in. [2]
-
- Straight Edgers say their life choices stem from a desire to be true to
- themselves and not from any religious beliefs. [8]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-7. Why do kids get into straight-edge?
-
- Some common reasons people decide to become sXe include: 1. wanting to
- control their own lives 2. seeing what damage drugs can do to others
- 3. being raised in an alcoholic family 4. identifying with the sXe
- values and 5. being with people who have the same values. [2]
-
- Ruth Horner said "There's just such a TREMENDOUS social pressure to
- drink, do drugs, and so on. Society says 'just say no' but what does it
- matter, once you turn 21? Or at least become an adult. Then it's just
- an accepted form of 'recreation.' By then it has become an accepted
- 'addiction' as well. Look at how prevalent alcohol and tobacco and
- negative sexuality are in the media, not just commercials. it's a big
- part of our culture, particularly youth culture. Where does it end you
- up?
-
- "That's right. Nowhere fast. I just don't understand. From what I have
- heard, hangovers suck. Watching your life fall apart sucks. It's just
- not fair o yourself, or anyone else around you that loves you to take
- such a risk and purposely deny yourself the privilege of being healthy.
- Health isn't a privilege, it's a given. It doesn't FEEL good to have
- hangovers. It doesn't FEEL good to OD. It doesn't FEEL good to go
- through withdrawal and it most certainly doesn't FEEL good to have
- AIDS! So why don't today's youth learn from example? I did. A lot of
- others out there have too. But for some reason, the ignorant are still
- out there.
-
- "You just have to learn to stand strong against it all. Stay true to
- yourself. Find alternatives. Personally I find that I get a high from
- going to hows. Just the ROAR of the guitar, and the RUSH of the drums
- feeling he sweat drip from my face, being squashed by the others around
- me. I find THAT exciting!!
-
- "I don't think I'm any better than anyone else, I just think I'm being
- smart. And if you have a problem with that then tough." [7]
-
- On 07 Oct 1997 jeramie <frenzy@netropolis.net> wrote:
- "I speak for myself, but I think some of us find life to be more
- entertaining when you can walk and talk straight or look at a member
- of the opposite sex and not be obsessed with f@#$ing them. Being sXe
- is it's own reward. It isn't for everyone, but I know a lot of people
- who do more constructive things which their energy and time because
- they believe in sXe and are'nt tearing themselves apart with vices and
- addictions. You have to be brave enough to try it in order understand
- why it's a lifestyle choice and quest."
-
- On 09 Aug 1998 Larry Phillips <bigphil@solutions!mb!ca> wrote:
- "Another reason kids get into sxe is cause they think its the cool
- thing to do."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-8. How do I join the straight-edge?
-
- You don't join straight-edge, you take on the straight-edge. You
- just get involved in the scene and start thinking for yourself.
-
- The idea is to closely examine your own life, identify what factors
- influence your thoughts and behaviours, assess what impact they are
- having on your life and rid yourself of those factors which you deem to
- have a negative impact on your life. [2] [12]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-9. Why do you need a label to be poison free?
-
- On 28 Aug 1998 Stew <stew-e@usa!net> wrote:
- "Well, you really dont. There are many hardliners that do it for
- themselves, and themselves only. Afterall, sXe is a personal choice...
- no one can make it for you. And today there are many more followers
- than leaders, and we follow what other do and wont take a stand and
- fight the minority. this label help keep us together and stay strong."
-
- On 30 Dec 1998 <SikanderXe@aol!com> wrote:
- "the label shows you're actually serious about what you're saying and
- that you're not making any exceptions (although there is lots of
- hypocrisy, but this is ideally speaking). It's also a commitment thing,
- something to believe in."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2. About the music
-
- Straight-edge grew out of the hardcore/punk scene and the music plays
- an important role. The music is fast, powerful, with angry and
- thoughtful lyrics. It forms a vital outlet for rage and sadness
- against abusive and/or dysfunctional political, societal and family
- structures.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-1 What is hardcore?
-
- On 15 Apr 1997 <lgumaer@ibm!net> wrote:
- "Hardcore is the style that began in the early 80s, often applied to
- bands such as Black Flag, Minor Threat, Sick of It All, Bad Brains,
- Rollins Band, Fugazi, etc.--sort of "2nd wave" punk bands. They were
- sloppy punk bands that played with more intensity and heaviness than
- earlier ones like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, etc. Today's hardcore
- bands are tighter and much heavier, and can be divided into two general
- types (usually called East Coast or West Coast, for where the band is,
- but it's not always consistent). The first type are smoother, with
- heavy grooves that flow, with a vocalist that sings (or at least tries
- to) or shouts. The second type is heavier, with tight, stop-and-go
- rhythms and harsh vocals that are a cross between shouts and low
- screams."
-
- On 10 Jun 1997 Chris97a <chris97a@aol!com> wrote:
- "Hardcore music by definition HAS to fit a mold, but hardcore lyrics by
- definition, are SUPPOSED TO BE THOUGHT PROVOKING!!!"
-
- On 26 Jun 1997 erik mohr <emandrew@mindspring!com> wrote:
- "... to me that's pretty much always been what hardcore was, highly
- politically charged punk. punk that screams an opinion."
-
- Nicolas 'Da Ringmaster' <950906nm@babbage.hogent.be> wrote:
- "Alright, this is what hardcore means to me: Energy, Positive attitude,
- Rebellion, Independance, Separating from trends, Not following the
- masses, Hard-core = hard music" [16]
-
- From the D.O.A. website:
- "D.O.A. popularized the term hardcore as applied to punk rock music
- with the release of Hardcore '81, a pivotal record from the early
- west coast hardcore punk scene.
-
- "Hardcore was (and is) uncompromising punk attitude combined with
- social activism. Sort of "punk with a message", but not to be confused
- with "straight edge" or "PC" movements, later variations of hardcore.
- West coast hardcore was completely different from the "fashionable"
- punk rock of art school students and posers - in the early days of
- punk there was a huge difference between the English-style punks
- with their fashionably torn and safety-pinned look, and the hardcore
- 'street' punk who just didn't give a fuck about their appearance.
-
- "It's an intelligent movement characterized by a deep anger at the
- status quo. It is not surprising that it began on the U.S.west coast,
- where radicalism and rebellion has deep roots... schools don't tell
- you much about the labour riots of the 20's or other examples of
- North American civil disobedience... Uncompromising hardcore shocked
- the complacent hippie mentality, needless to say.
-
- "Hardcore will never die where individualistic thought can survive -
- which of course means it has been constantly oppressed by the vacuous
- media of North America. The current popularization of 'punk' is more
- concerned with style than substance, rather a new fashionable trend
- for the pop machine.
-
- "Hardcore survives in bands like Fugazi, NoMeansNo, The Ex, and
- D.O.A. - hopefully with the current popularity of punk rock more kids
- will discover that the world ain't exactly a great place, and work for
- positive change despite the many evil forces in this world. And that is
- the best definition of hardcore I can imagine." [11]
-
- There is quite a bit of disagreement over exactly when hardcore
- started but here are some people's thoughts:
-
- On 10 May 1997 Fitaurari <fitaurari@aol!com> wrote:
- "And by the way Bad Brains DID invent 'hardcore'!"
-
- On 10 May 1997 paul.kaczmarek <paul.kaczmarek@ukonline!co!uk> wrote:
- "The Germs (April 77) , Black Flag (June 77), he Misfits (first show -
- April 77), Chain Gang, The Pagans (mid-77), Canada's The Diodes (first
- lp June 77) and The Viletones (recorded Jan 1978) were already under
- the 'hardcore' banner in 1977.
-
- "There's also a solid argument for giving the first hardcore prize to
- Chrome, who recorded undoubted hardcore lps in 1976, or Crime, who did
- the same."
-
- On 10 May 1997 Rastapoodle <herblady@zippo!com> wrote:
- "Your knowledge of the dates of the emergence of the punk hardcore
- scene is very good. I might add that by 1976, bands like Patti Smith,
- Richard Hell and the Voidoids, and many that were playing at CBGB's
- were called punk, and I think that the (mostly) West Coast bands that
- you cite were the hardcore 'babies' of those groups. (Boy, I'm sure
- they'd love that designation!) ;-)"
-
- On 10 Jul 1997 TSOL12 <tsol12@aol!aol> wrote:
- "without a doubt BLack Flag was the first HC band...anyone who says
- otherswise is a fool. People forget that early HC has its roots in punk
- everyone thinks that the newschool sound is what hardcore is
- about.....plus theres more to being a HC band than just the sound."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-2. What's the difference between old school and new school
- hardcore bands?
-
- The basic musical difference is that old school is punk and new school
- is metal.
-
- On 12 Jun 1997 Peter <pma@xxedgexx!com> wrote:
- "it's actually really simple. new school is kinda like slayer, only
- the 'kids' pretend it has something to do with hardcore. i see it as
- cheap metal. old school (THE ONLY SCHOOL!) on the other hand is
- precisely the other way around: fast and positive."
-
- On 01 Jul 1997 BattleMonkey <battlemonkey@rocketmail!com> wrote:
- "Actually, "old school" depends on how old you are. If YOT is old
- school, then you need to reach back a little further into the Teen
- Idles/Minor Threat days. And that wasn't always positive. The big
- difference for me is that new school is a lot more exclusionary, a
- lot less fun, and has bigger pants."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-3. What is emo?
-
- On 1 May 1997 "DAVe B." <skapsr@ix!netcom!com> wrote:
- "emo is a type of music, which is derived from early 80's hardcore. I
- don t know the whole story, but emo combines hardcore with more melodic
- and experimental music. Fugazi is the easiest example of a band i can
- name that is considered to be "emo" also bands like promise ring and
- texas is the reason play this vein of music."
-
- On 1 May 1997 Kevin Hirsch <hirschk@anet!net> wrote:
- "Emo is generally said to have started with DC bands like Embrace (Ian
- MacKaye's band after Minor Threat and before Fugazi) and Rites of
- Spring (Guy Picciotto's band also before Fugazi), but is in no way
- limited to them, around '85. The sound was basically a slower more
- emotional (hence the name "emo") post- version of hardcore. The vocals
- are usually sung in "whiny" (for lack of a better word) sort of way.
-
- "Emotional in this context generally connotes "vulnerability" and/or
- "troubledness", which is different from the emotionality of the
- screaming and thrashing generally associated with hardcore. This open
- emphasis on "vulnerability" and/or "troubledness" represented a major
- break in the hardcore/punk scene at that time, for it prided itself on
- tough- and hardness, as it generally does today. Hence, the long
- running feud between hardcore (sXe) and emo kids.
-
- "As for emo today, as most other sub-genres, it has spawned many
- (sometimes extremely opposite and/or contradicting) hybrids that all
- stake claim to the label, rendering it somewhat useless. Here are some
- examples: there's political, scream-and-flail-on-the-floor, emo like
- Frail, Swing Kids, Impetus Inter, and a slew of San Diego based bands;
- there's the really slow, discordant, artsy emo like Cap'n Jazz, Joan
- d'Arc, Evergreen, etc.; then we have the more popular
- melody/pop-oriented bands like Texas is the Reason, Sensefield,
- Mineral, Promise Ring, Split Lip (now Chamberlain), etc.; and last but
- not least we have the slow, stop-and-go, melody-thrash alternating
- groups like Amber Inn, Still Life, and others I can't think of right
- now."
-
- On 31 Aug 1997 <PolarityHC@aol!com> write:
- "I believe that Al Flipside called Embrace "emo" and Ian was like "huh",
- but for some reason the name stuck."
-
- On 03 Oct 1997 <XXMARTINXx@aol.com> wrote:
- "i think the band verbal assult invented the word emo. and embrace, as
- good as they were, weren't the first "emo" band. dag nasty, 3, and
- 7 seconds all had an emo sound before them."
-
- On 18 Nov 1997 .xmikex. <info@jameson!com> wrote:
- "EMO (E-mo) slang 1)A wimp 2)Anyone not tough enough to listen to your
- friend's band. 3)Anyone/thing that refuses to floorpunch and hit
- bystanders in a mosh pit (see mosh).
-
- "OK, for real, THIS is my understanding and how my friends and I use
- this helpful term every day:
- 1) EMO is an abbreviation of EMOTIONAL.
- 2) As such, it can (& I think originally was used to) describe a style
- of music.
- 3) A lot of bands from the Washington DC area punk scene are considered
- "EMO" (Embrace being one of the 1st to have this label).
- 4) The EMO "SOUND" of minimalist drums & guitars, quiet singing building
- up to a loud screaming racket. There can be a major jazz influence.
- 5) Anyone can be emo now. Morrissey, the cure, fugazi, endpoint, you
- name it, they've been labeled "emo" (sinatra)
-
- "The people:
- Emo kids are considered wimps by most "tough guys". This may or may not
- be true. Classic "emo stories" are of kids crying at shows. (something
- I recently witnessed at a show...) I guess this public show of emotion
- is seen as weakness by most in the HC community. Whereas Emo music tends
- to wrestle the inner demons of personal defeat, loveloss, heartache etc.
- "Hardcore" tends to wrestle that big hairy smelly guy in the pit next to
- you. No, seriously, HC tends to deal with taking action to change things
- rather than ruminate on that might have been. I guess the main
- difference is that Emo tends to be backward looking, and HC tends to be
- forward looking. (Yesyesyes, I know there's MASSIVE crossover in musical
- styles and song subject matter- a lot of HC bands write "personal"
- lyrics and a lot of emo bands write songs with a social message).I
- dunno, I like some emo bands, but I prefer HC.
-
- "THE STYLE:
- Hair: often a bit crusty
- Glasses: Horn-rim ONLY (cat-eyes are also acceptable for the women)
- Facial Hair: Stubble
- Piercings: Optional
- Necklaces: Beads, etc. (mandatory)
- Shirt: Old t-shirts, dress shirts etc.
- Sweater: No!no!no! a sweaterVEST. (old)
- Jacket: Old, thrift shop gear as with all the above.
- Pants: Dress pants / corduroy. Floods are totally cool.
- Socks: White
- Shoes: Black dress shoes
-
- "The color palate? Browns, blacks, dark blues etc.
-
- "Think "Nick at Night". The look is retro with an edge. Drew Carey if
- he wore thrift store stuff.
-
- A brief list of "emo" bands I or my friends like:
- (i don't like all these bands. they will have an * by their name if I'm
- not a big fan)
- FUGAZI
- EMBRACE
- RITES OF SPRING
- JAWBOX
- BLUETIP
- FRODUS
- TEXAS IS THE REASON*
- PROMISE RING* (yeech)
- NONE LEFT STANDING
- MINERAL
- MAXIMILLIAN COLBY
- JAWBREAKER
-
- "Perhaps CRUCIAL YOUTH said it best in their glossary of terms when they
- described it:
- EMO-CORE: "Mature" music made by cigarette-puffing ex-straightedgers.
- Heavy on soul-searching, hard to mosh to."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-4. Who was the first straight-edge band?
-
- The Teen Idles, an early 80's Washington, DC hardcore band, and
- something of a precursor to Minor Threat, can arguably be called the
- first straight-edge band. [4]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-5. What is this windmill dance?
-
- On 13 Nov 1996 Daniel Wayne Zettwoch <dwzettwo@artsci!wustl!edu> wrote:
- "It's kinda like the Humpty-Hump, but a lot more violent. Got it?"
-
- On 27 Aug 1997 Karl <RecoilRex@aol!com> wrote:
- "Okay, remember when you were 8 and you'd get into a fight? (or
- see other kids fighting) and you'd just swing your arms in a
- circle toward the person?
-
- "Well the whole windmill dance thingy is done like that (only
- swinging the arms backwards) while skipping left to right/ right to
- left.
-
- "Kind of hard to describe"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-6. What is floorpunching?
-
- On 13 Nov 1996 Daniel Wayne Zettwoch <dwzettwo@artsci!wustl!edu> wrote:
- "It's done exactly like it sounds. Really punch that floor to make it
- realistic!! Punch it hard!!"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-7. What other dances are there?
-
- On 18 Oct 1997 XMARTINX <hexen@gmx!net> wrote"
- "a guide to violent dancing
-
- "stagediving, pile-ups, windmills, walls of death, slamdancing, its an
- excellent way to release pent-up frustrations or to shed thos extra
- pounds. This is the spirit of the youth, this is what hardcore is all
- about. The pit found its roots in punks slam and pogo (some say it was
- invented late 70┤s on shows from the Germs, The weirdos, Black Flag ...)
- and progressed in trash- and death metal gigs. Since the walls between
- punk and metal have come down, the audience has changed lately, the size
- of the pit is growing. Early hc-gigs saw the craziness of a few
- violators but the latest shows were slamfest were over 50 kids really
- knocked their way through the audience. What makes me so proud about
- this scene is that it never comes to fights. In other places, when a pit
- starts, it often comes to fistfights and those who participate in the
- action want to dance the hardest. Lack of respect and comprehension is
- mostly the reason for this. Anyway, heres some names and explanation
- for pit-tricks, the editor is not responcible for any injuries at all
- ... ;-)
-
- "Some stagediving techniques:
-
- "arrow: hands behind the back, take a leap on stage and shoot yourself
- into the front rows.
-
- "Flip: flip your body headfirst and land on the crowd, you can flip
- over and over again while laying on the crowd too.
-
- "Feet-first: make sure you dont wear combat-boots for this. Run off
- the stage and jump as high as possible, then stretch both feet before
- you land with your gravity centered in your bottom.
-
- "Wuss-dive: get on stage and make gestures with your arms that people
- should move up front to catch you, then with lots of efforts, lay down
- safely, like you would drop dead.
-
- "Floor kiss (or pope -dive): take a huge leap and jump as high as you
- can, pointing your lips in a romantic way and land on your face.
-
- "Golden Rules:
- - Dont wear too many clothes. Just make sure your piercings, fresh
- tattoos, genitals and brest are well protected. Of course its great if
- you can rip some yuppies Nirvana T-Shirt to tiny pieces.
- - Only dance when theres a good mood. Dont make a complete idiot of
- yourself going off on emo or melodic gigs. Use the H-force for H-bands.
- - Dont take food/drinks with you. You dont wanna end up with fries in
- your ears smelling of Dr.Pepper after a good gig, do you ?
- - Dont fart in the pit !!
- - Dont kiss your partner up front (especially when you dont want the
- others tongue-piercing to be yours)
-
- "DANCING TRICKS
-
- "GORILLA (PICKING UP STYLE)
- Legs spread and hands grabbing the floor on the rythms of the beat
- (NY-Style is excellent to do this, Solid the perfect band)
-
- "BREADSLICER
- Crouch your arms and slam them open as wide and hard as possible, great
- on fast parts, even better in combination of shoving your feet in all
- directions.
-
- "WINDMILL (single or double)
- Rotate your arms 360 degrees forward or backward, make sure your fingers
- are locked safely in a fist, for the sake of yourself and buddie-slammers.
-
- "DOUBLE TROUBLE
- One dancer rides the others back or neck against onslaughts of attack by
- human battering rams. Invented by the skins but lately done by our
- BXL-friends.
-
- "SUCK-CORE SWEEPER
- Stand back to back with a fella and grab his arms from behind. Lift him
- up and whirl like a madman into the front rows. This move is complete
- if you release the human projectile to knock down some victims.
-
- "WALL OF DEATH
- Arms locked tight in an iron chain, a line of burly dudes mows down any
- unexspecting pedestrian standing in its path. When doing this, make sure
- you have the beefiest guys with you.
-
- "FRIGOBAZAR HIP-HOP
- Jump up and down like a moron to ridicolous hiphop-beats. When you see
- geeks doing this, go for a double windmill or a wall of death to clear
- them of the floor so they can hide safely in the back drinking
- Kriek-Beer"
-
- On 18 Oct 1997 XJeremyX wrote:
- "My favorites:
-
- "The Menace: If you saw the movie "Don't be a menace to south central
- while drinking your juice in the hood" (the grandma did it while she
- was break dancing in church) you should be familiar with this one. You
- stand on one foot, grab your other ankle and kick your leg forward while
- still holding it. Fun to do to the slow dance parts.
-
- "The helicopter: spread your arms out and swing them around like your a
- helicopter.Wheeeeeee!
-
- "The Sledgehammer: Clasp your hands and Swing them like you've got a
- sledgehammer. Fun to do to the intro of those fast old school songs
- just before you point and scream "GO!"
-
- "Kick'n'go: Hold your arm out, fully extended, with your hand held in
- a palm. Swing your arm and strike your palm with your fist. now when
- you bring your fist back to hit your palm again, kick. repeat.
-
- "Seisure: My favorite. Do what you want, but shake like a maniac and
- run around. Do this when the singer passes you the mike."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3. About the commitment
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-1. Why are there so many rules?
-
- Straight-edge isn't about rules. It's a philosophy about being in
- control of your own actions and making decisions for yourself. As a
- result you'll choose not to smoke, drink, sleep around, eat meat but
- these choices may be different to different people. The hallmarks of
- straight-edge remain hardcore/punk music and don't smoke, don't drink,
- don't fuck.
-
- On 22 Mar 1997 sibber <sibber@worldnet!att!net> wrote:
- "to call what i, you,and that everyone else lives by as ''rules'' is
- kind of i don't know the right word but when I hear rules its normally
- something i want to do but can't. i see it as commitments that i
- proudly live by."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-2. If I slip from the 'edge does that mean I can't be
- straight-edge anymore?
-
- Noone is perfect, so just get back on the 'edge.
-
- On 12 Jul 1997 <Shmee5@aol!com> wrote:
- "It's my belief that either you are or you never were. I'm not saying
- that I don't believe in second chances - but when it comes to slipping
- from the edge...well, just don't slip and there's no nead to worry. I
- just feel that if you aren't ready to commit then you shouldn't call
- yourself SxE."
-
- On 14 Sep 1997 ianX <ian-one@demon.co.uk> wrote:
- "it's easy to go off track when shit happens. No-one has to be perfect
- as no-one can be."
-
- On 01 Dec 1997 <SikanderXe@aol.com> wrote:
- "there is no slipping up in sXe. this can be heard in the lyrics of
- many bands...sXe is, by the modern definition a commitment for life.
- if you slip up you sell out, and if you sell out then you can't call
- yourself straightedge anymore. that's basically it. there's no turning
- back."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-3. Can I be straight-edge and a Christian?
-
- The typical punk view is that all organised religion is a crutch that
- keeps people down. However there are many who don't agree that is has
- to be, nor should be like that.
-
- xjeffx said "I don't believe in a god or in organised religion,
- Christianity especially. Believing in something which we don't know
- definitively exists, is absurd to me. Religion (Christianity) is
- oppression of the people. ...In the words of Karl Marx "Religion is the
- opium of the people." What is meant by this is that people rely on
- religion like a drug. When things get bad, they take a little, like
- when they get fired, they would pray and feel better. Then something
- else happens and they go take a little more. Eventually they are
- "addicted" or in other words "faithful" to religion and god, like a
- drug, which is their way of escape from reality." [6]
-
- Christians would respond that they agree that this sux and that it is
- some bad elements within Christianity that give the whole scene a bad
- name. True Christianity is about truth and not blind faith so your
- belief has to be backed up by historical fact and reason. Its sort of
- like the hardcore scene - there are all these kids who haven't got a
- clue but just smoke, drink and fuck themselves into oblivion. These kids
- give HC a bad name. Then there are the few kids who are straight-edge,
- who take life seriously and do something positive. Even within sXe
- there are the militant and hardline elements that distort the rest of
- the movement.
-
- On 18 Jun 1997 X calculus X <bwrenn@cslab!vt!edu> wrote:
- "The guy who only turns to God when he is down is not a true Christian.
- He thinks of God more or less as his imaginary friend. Being Christian
- involves understanding who Jesus is and how following his teachings
- will enable you to work towards bettering your own life. This is not a
- crutch at all. This has some degree of parallelism to sXe in that it
- involves follwing priciples and beleifs."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-4. If I'm straight-edge can I take holy communion?
-
- Firstly why doesn't you Church provide grape juice as an option to
- wine? How do they cater for ex-alcoholics? Ask! Secondly the amount of
- wine is so small that it really shouldn't be an issue. The point of the
- exercise is symbolic. You can think for yourself so make your own mind
- up on the issue.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-5. Can I be straight-edge and gay?
-
- Straight-edge has nothing to do with your sexuality. Its casual sex
- that's an issue.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-6. Is straight-edge about politics?
-
- Although sXe is not inherently political, politics are a logical
- extension of an sXe lifestyle. Once you have regained control over your
- life, the desire to help others and to make a positive contribution to
- your culture, society, community by addressing issues of social justice
- is a very natural thing to do. Many sXe'ers join organisations like
- Greenpeace, Amnesty International, and SADD (Students Against Drunk
- Drivers). They also encourage friends to give up drugs, alcohol, and
- smoking. [2] [12]
-
- On Mon, 24 Mar 1997 <katoh9tale@aol!com> wrote:
- "My impression of people who are talking about straight-edge these days
- is similar to the impression of current dead-heads sitting around
- talking about how much they wished that they had been around at
- woodstock shouting the "fish cheer" with Country Joe and the Fish.
-
- "It is an incredible misunderstanding of the music and surrounding
- culture that lead to it's creation.
-
- "The straight-edge in spawned in DC and Boston back in the days of
- Minor Threat and SSD was not some kind of ideological system. It was a
- knee-jerk reaction to an overwhelming number of fans who were minors
- and the incredible numbers of clubs who refused to allow them in the
- doors. Even the "X" in sXe is nothing more than a throwback to club
- alcohol policies."
-
- Asked where he stands politically, Russ Rankin from Good Riddance said:
- "I would say I'm very much to the left on everything. Everything except
- drug legalization. I don't think drugs should ever be legalized.
-
- "Why not? Because I'm straight edge and closed minded." [13]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-7. Do I have to be vegan/vegetarian to be straight-edge?
-
- On 23 Jul 1997 Andy Dempz <adempz@umich!edu> wrote:
- "vegetarianism is not part of sxe, only a natural progression."
-
- Veganism has little to do with sXe pure life ideals. People generally
- aren't addicted to animal products. But it seems logical to look at
- everything you put into your body once you start examining external
- factors, and so many sXe folk logically choose to adopt a vegan life.
- [2]
-
- The following definitions are from the rec.food.veg FREQUENTLY ASKED
- QUESTIONS LIST (FAQ):
- The term 'Vegetarian' was coined in 1847. It was first formally used
- on September 30th of that year by Joseph Brotherton and others, at
- Northwood Villa in Kent, England. The occasion being the innaugural
- meeting of the Vegetarian Society of the United Kingdom.
-
- The word was derived from the Latin 'vegetus', meaning whole, sound,
- fresh, lively; (it should not be confused with 'vegetable-arian' - a
- mythical human whom some imagine subsisting entirely on vegetables
- but no nuts, fruits, grains etc!)
-
- The original definition of 'vegetarian' was "with or without eggs or
- dairy products" and that definition is still used by the Vegetarian
- Society today.
-
- A vegan excludes animal flesh (meat, poultry, fish and seafood),
- animal products (eggs and dairy), and usually excludes honey and the
- wearing and use of animal products (leather, silk, wool, lanolin,
- gelatin...). The major vegan societies all disallow honey, but some
- "vegans" still use it. Some "vegans" also refuse to eat yeast
- products.
-
- The word was invented by the UK Vegan society in the 1940's. They
- pronounced it "vee-gn". [14]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-8. Can I take medications if I'm straight-edge?
-
- Some kids say you shouldn't take any drugs. "Straight Edger's exclude
- all forms of drugs from their lives, including alcohol, cigarettes,
- illegal drugs and often other drugs such as aspirin. Most sXe'ers don't
- even "use" caffeine." [2]
-
- However, it would be stupid not to take medications for serious
- illnesses. How can you take control of your life if you're delirious
- or dead!
-
- On 25 Jan 1997 refuge <ebmgieda@refuge!microserve!com> wrote:
- "fucking take them! are you nuts?"
-
- On 27 Sep 1997 SuperCarol <supercarol@hotmail!com> wrote:
- "You are who you are. Straight Edge has always been about the choices
- you make, right? Well you don't have a choice to choose to have [a
- condition] or not. Therefore take your medicine and have SxE pride
- because you are doing what's best for your body. And I think a lot of
- "SxE" is about taking care of yourself...as long as you're not abusing
- your prescription, than it's all good."
-
- On 10 Nov 1998 Xed mitchellX Edwin.Mitchell@Colorado!EDU> wrote:
- "The first thing you must understand is that sXe, in its most basic
- essence, is a defiance of the self-destructive behaviors that
- mainstream society, the media, and often times our parents and most
- often our friends deem acceptable. These behaviors are most often
- prerequisite for social acceptance in many circles ranging from the
- high-school beer party to the CEO's business party. It is an
- acceptance of responsibility for your own actions and your own life
- to become sXe, and many times the lines drawn for that accptance vary
- from person to person, so in the end the decision whether to include
- medical drugs in ones sXe commitment is up to the individual. However,
- it is my opinion that the idealism of that rejection of
- self-destructive behavior is what embodies sXe. So, in my opinioin,
- to not take a medication that is beneficial, or crucial to your
- health doesn't really do anything for you except advance your ailment.
- It is also important to remember that a healthy straight-edger is a
- much more effective revolutionary than one who is sick or dying."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-9. Is taking caffeine straight-edge?
-
- On 17 Jun 1997 ianX <ian-one@demon!co!uk> wrote:
- "really it's up to your own interpretation of straightedge, some drink
- coffee and tea others don't. It's all a matter of personal choice. I
- don't drink it as I just hate coffee's taste."
-
- On 15 Nov 1998 Neal M. Jones <nealj@rochester.infi.net> wrote:
- "I do believe it is right for a person who calls himself sXe to
- drink or eat caffene in moderate amounts. I call myself sXe but
- still drink coffee on occation. The point is that i think that if
- a straightXedger uses a legal drug that won't ruin his life, like
- alchohol and tobacco do, it isn't a violation of the sXe principles.
- Unlike other legal drugs, caffiene isn't very harmful and isn't as
- addictive. The same moral issue goes for perscription drugs. Drugs
- you get from the doctor are perscribed so that they won't hurt you.
- It would be wrong to take someone else's perscription but since the
- drug suggested by your doctor is ohkay for you to take it doesn't
- conflict with your sXe beliefs. I do believe that at the point when
- you do get addicted to caffiene you should stop but if someone just
- does it moderately it is allright. That is different with beer and
- tobacco because people can easily become addicted, stoned or otherwise
- screwed-up by taking in just a little of these drugs. I havn't heard
- of anyone getting there life messed up by coffee and if i ever do i
- will stop drinking it."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-10. How much does pro-life feature in sXe?
-
- This is quite a heated topic as you can imagine. I'll take the
- liberty to define some of the terms since there is a lot of different
- meanings being used - I'll take the obvious ones. Pro-life is the
- belief that life (especially human) is always valuable and should be
- supported and defended. It is not however anti-choice, just like
- pro-choice is not anti-life. Pro-choice is the belief that people
- should be able to make life choices by themselves, and in particular
- whether they choose to have an abortion performed on their unborn
- child.
-
- Given the definitions above most who've got the straight-edge are
- pro-life and pro-choice. That is, they will take responsibility for
- their actions (which is the reason for being straight) and will not
- take the easy option of aborting an unexpected child. However, they
- will not presume to force the same ethic on others.
-
- Those who are hardline will also be anti-choice.
-
- On 04 Aug 1997 Mike Kornitsky <korndog@vcn!bc!ca> wrote:
- "Anti-abortion figures into sxe about as much as veganism does. It
- is an extension of the making the personal life political. The most
- effective place to make a change is your own body and the actions you
- take every day."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-11. Don't most stop being straight-edge when they reach
- drinking age?
-
- On 04 Aug 1997 Mike Kornitsky <korndog@vcn!bc!ca> wrote:
- "It probably wasn't the right choice for them in the first place if
- they loose the edge once they become legal. They're not being honest
- to themselves of the motives behind calling themselves straight edge."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-12. All my friends drink, does this mean I have to find
- new friends?
-
- No! Be a good influence for them. You can be a better friend by
- being straight.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-13. Do straight-edge kids have sex at all?
-
- In short yes. However, most sxe kids will wait until they are ready to
- take on the responsibility of a relationship that is serious enough
- for the commitment of marraige.
-
- On 14 Sep 1997 zach <rnowell@sprynet.com> wrote:
- "no casual sex. or permiscous sex, fucking around, no one nite stands,
- diseases are spread, abortions happen, date rape, so no screwing
- around, emotional baggage you dont need, so basicly you dont have sex
- until you meet someone your comfortable with and that you'll take on
- all the responsibilities or sex."
-
- On 15 Sep 1997 mattie t <buffalostyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
- "Sxe is to abstain from poisons and mainly be true to your self. Being
- true to yourself will help you from abstaining from sex. It has worked
- for me I was a virgin until 19."
-
- On 19 Sep 1997 Simon XXX <bastardx@interlog.com> wrote:
- "if you're going to quote Ian, you should put it in some sort of context
- first. Ian always used to make a point of explaining that he used the
- word "fuck" very specifically, to refer to people using/abusing each
- other. He was far from celibate himself. Straight edge has nothing to
- do with celibacy."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-14. I used to drink and do drugs, can I still be sXe?
-
- No problems about the past! It's all about the now. Otherwise noone
- could ever be SXE. But one thing that you should do before taking the
- edge is consider that it's for life so don't just play with it. It's
- not just a phase... Other sxers will accept you if you're true from
- now on.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4. About the scene
-
- On 19 Aug 1997 Terence David <SandraGail@webtv!net> wrote:
- "Just wanted to talk about the good old glory days when the HARDCORE
- scene was REAL and there was no kickboxing, baggy clothes or attitudes.
- Yeah Yeah, all you "new school" kids are probably sick of hearing about
- the past, but it is brought up so often because of how great it was (at
- least compared to now). Everybody had something to say and used their
- energy positively and did something productive with it.
- Whether they started a band, did a zine or promoted a show, they were
- benefiting Hardcore and making "our" subculture a better one. Nowadays
- it seems that H.C. is grasping onto the things that we tryed so hard to
- get away from. All of the negative aspects of mainstream life seem to
- be filtering into our scene. Shit talking, fashion, competition, money,
- greed and status (just to name a few of the more blatant ones). Our
- scene is becoming a small scale version of this shitty world around us.
- As Ray of Today once said, it's time to "MAKE A CHANGE"!! H.C.S.E. is
- somehting I hold very close to my heart. It's more than music, fashion
- or the latest karate dance. It's a way of life. The past is the past
- and now is now. But please, let's try to make our scene's future a
- better more positive one. That means become more productive, more
- positive and leave the brass knuckles and atttitudes at home. Better
- yet, throw em' away. We're all in this together and unity is what it's
- all about."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-1. Aren't you all just mummy's boys?
-
- While straight-edgers don't smoke, drink, or sleep around, we're not
- just mindlessly conforming to authority.
-
- "The difference between us and nerds is that we [abstain from drugs] as
- a way of rebelling against society, not because society tells us not
- to," said Sean O'Donnell, 18, a freshman at West Chester University.
- [9]
-
- Whatever the reason for their sobriety, many adults believe that the
- peer support Straight Edgers get is a good thing. A lot of them get
- ostracised and harassed because they're straight. [9]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-2. Why do all you kids wear backpacks?
-
- To protect us from the knives! [From a Raid interview. Anyone know
- where?]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-3. Why is straight-edge so narrow minded?
-
- In the mid to late 80's, straight-edge hardcore reached a zenith,
- especially in the greater Metropolitan area of New York City. This
- atmosphere led to the creation of Gorilla Biscuits, Bold, Wide Awake
- and arguably the most prolific band of the era, Youth of Today. While
- the bands of this period did much to popularise straight-edge, they
- also contributed to its closeminded and antagonistic aspects. The
- attitude between straight-edge and the rest of the world often took on
- adversarial tones during this time, largely becoming "The positive
- youth crew versus people who drink, smoke and/or do drugs." Many people
- dislike straight-edge and its adherents because of such intolerant
- views. [4]
-
- In a 1995 interview with the Thicker fanzine, Ian MacKaye denounced the
- stringent attitude prevalent in the culture he is widely credited with
- founding. "The whole straight-edge thing for me was never about this
- kind of puritan lifestyle, where I was supposed to be leading the
- masses towards a better tomorrow," he said. [1]
-
- On 03 Jul 1997 Koontz Christopher Noel <iy17@jove!acs!unt!edu> wrote:
- "One can be a non-smoker, a teatotaler, and a vegetarian, and yet still
- be Adolf Hitler. -- Karl Barth on Der Fuehrer"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-4. Why can't we have unity within hardcore/punk?
-
- On 24 Jul 1997 Ralf Sandner <spitbrother@swol!de> wrote:
- "i think straight edge only makes sense in the punk community. like my
- favourite t-shirt says: "if you are not punk you are not straight
- edge". so i hate what most of sXe is today: kids just being sXe with no
- bounds to or even hate towards the punk scene, kids listening to bad
- metal bands and acting like macho idiots instead of fellow punks having
- a sXe lifestyle"
-
- On 04 Jul 1997 INTEG <integ@hdk-berlin!de> wrote:
- "JUST ANOTHER WORD (by SFA, 1989)
- When will you realize you can't change anything with just an "X" on
- your hand. When will you realize that unity is just another word if
- you don't follow through. These walls you build between us are the
- ones you claim to be breaking down. I don't buy your superior
- attitude. When will you realize? You cast me off because I'm not like
- you. You think you're cool with your ways, you self-righteous child.
- This dilemma WE FACE we could face together if you would really open
- your minds. When will you realize? - You probably never will."
-
- On 07 Jul 1997 BattleMonkey <battlemonkey@rocketmail!com> wrote:
- "I grew up and hung out in Louisivlle, KY for years during the 1980s,
- and the shows there were incredibly diverse and non-specific. Beercore
- nuts would go see straight edge bands, and straight edge kids would 4-5. Isn't straight-edge just a fad?
- 4-6. What is hardline straight-edge?
- 4-7. What is a poseur?
- 4-8. Is sXe a crutch for the weak?
- 4-9. What is a sellout?
- 4-10. Why do a lot of you people use the name of your band
- or 'zine as a surname?
- 4-11. Why don't sXe kids have a sense of humour?
- 4-12. What is DIY?
- 4-13. What is the relationship of sXe to skating and BMX?
- 4-14. Why is there so much violence in sXe?
-
- 5. About the people
- 5-1. What do you guys wear?
- 5-2. What's with the tattoos and stuff?
- 5-3. Who's who of apse?
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: iii. References
-
- [1] Josh Krist <joshuak@vpico!com>, White Punks on Hope - What's
- punk rock without the beer and nihilism? Better, according to
- members of the Valley's "straight-edge" punk scene.,
- Phoenix New Times, 1996,
- <http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1996/082296/music1.html>.
-
- [2] Daniel Zander <XzanderX@bigfoot!com>, Straight Edge - The
- Discipline, Cyber Edge,
- <http://xxcyberxx.xxedgexx.com/sXe.html>.
-
- [3] David Diekmann <david@crackedass!com>, Minor Threat: Lyrics,
- CrackedAss punk-ska-hardcore zine & records, 1997,
- <http://www.crackedass.com/minorthreat/lyrics.html>.
-
- [4] Juergen Heerdegen <juergen@straight-edge!com>, More than you'd
- care to know about straight-edge, straight-edge.com
- Website, <http://www.straight-edge.com/definition.html>.
-
- [5] Bruce Buckley, Earth Crisis - Desperate music for desperate
- times, Syracuse New Times, 1996,
- <http://www.rway.com/newtimes/111396/cover.htm>.
-
- [6] <xjeffx@creighton!edu>, More Straight Edge For Your Money!!,
- <http://www.creighton.edu/~xjeffx/>.
-
- [7] Ruth Horner <softie@rocketmail!com>, sXe Intro, Punks G Hybrid zine,
- <http://www.phreakco.com/punksg/columns/ruth/intro.htm>.
-
- [8] Greg Patterson, The Straight Edge, Seattle Times, 1995,
- <http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~jdschepp/sxe/texts/seattle.htm>.
-
- [9] Sean J. Mallison, The Straight Edge: Clean Living's New Look,
- NY Times,
- <http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~jdschepp/sxe/texts/nytimes.htm>.
-
- [10] Hardline Creed, <http:/www.pitt.edu/~mpkst6/HL.html>.
-
- [11] Laurie Mercer <laurie@musicwest!com>, What is Hardcore?,
- D.O.A.'s Hardcore homepage,
- <http://www.musicwest.com/DOA/doaishc.html>.
-
- [12] Randy Thatcher <rht3@po!cwru!edu>, alt.punk.straight-edge
- Frequently Asked Questions, 1995,
- <http://k2.scl.cwru.edu/~rht3/faq>.
-
- [13] Matt Williams, Outside Dremley Studios - an interview with
- Russ Rankin from Good Riddance, June '95,
- <http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Heights/4379/gr-info.html>.
-
- [14] Michael Traub <traub@mistral!co!uk>, rec.food.veg FREQUENTLY
- ASKED QUESTIONS LIST (FAQ), Usenet rec.food.veg,
- <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/vegetarian/faq>.
-
- [15] Straight Edge Vegan Mailing List, Vegan Straight Edge Site,
- <http://www.vegan-straight-edge.org.uk/sxevegan.htm>.
-
- [16] Jacques <Jacques.DeSchepper@rug.ac.be> and Nicolas
- <950906nm@babbage.hogent.be>, x Straightedge Park x,
- <http://studwww.rug.ac.be/~jdschepp/sxe/main.htm>.
-
- [17] "Earth Crisis going mainstream", Destroy Babylon, Issue 4,
- 1996.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: iv. Where to find this FAQ
-
- This FAQ is posted monthly to the Usenet newsgroups
- alt.punk.straight-edge, alt.music.hardcore,
- alt.lifestyle.substance-free, alt.skate-board, alt.answers, and
- news.answers where you should be able to find it. Most news server
- honours the expiration date for news.answers so this is probably the
- best place to look for it.
-
- The latest officially posted copy of this FAQ is archived at
- rtfm.mit.edu. You can retrieve it by anonymous FTP from:
- <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/cultures/straight-edge-faq>
-
- If you don't want to use FTP you can get it via email by sending an
- email request to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with the following line in
- the body of the message. Note there should not be any spaces before the
- word send.
-
- send usenet/news.answers/cultures/straight-edge-faq
-
- A hypertext version is also maintained automatically at
- <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/cultures/straight-edge-faq/>.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: v. About the maintainer
-
- I was always meant to be straight-edge
- I've never liked the taste of alcohol
- I've never liked the smell of smoke
- I've kept myself for my special girl
-
- I've always dressed to be different
- I've always liked my music radical
- I've never really had any friends
- Now I've been labelled straight-edge
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: vi. A word about SPAM
-
- Since I started to post this FAQ I've been inundated with junk emails
- from mindless shits that can't respect anyone's privacy. As a result
- all email addresses are listed with exclaimation marks in place of
- the periods to save my friends from the curse of SPAM.
-
- On 02 Jul 1997 Rodger Whitlock <totototo@mail!pacificcoast!net> wrote:
- "What are Spammerz? They are parasitic, thieving, bottom-feeding,
- asocial would-be entreprenuers with Ayn-Randish hero complexes, who
- abuse UseNet by sending out massive numbers of newsgroup messages
- (and email) advertising porn sites, phone sex lines, psychic readings,
- make-money-fast schemes, multi-level marketing schemes, and other
- methods for separating you from your hard-earned money without
- providing anything of use in return.
-
- "Why Spam? There is a Monty Python skit featuring a song, the text of
- which is essentially "Spam" over and over - that's all you get - it's
- everywhere.
-
- "Welcome aboard."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: vii. Questions in progress
-
- The following are some questions that people want answers to but haven't
- been finalised yet. Please mail me your ideas for questions and answers.
-
- Got any more questions?
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1. About straight-edge
-
- Straight Edge is a more philosophical offshoot of the punk movement, a
- reaction to the hedonism and self-destruction that characterised punk.
- The basic tenet of the philosophy centres around the issue of
- self-control. The goal is to regain as much personal control over your
- own life as possible. sXe is the only youth counter-culture to actively
- discourage drug use, alcohol use, and casual sex. [2] [12]
-
- Straight edge is a lifestyle centred around personal development and
- well being, while encouraging fun and togetherness. sXe is not just
- about being into contemporary punk music acts and being against drugs.
- It goes deeper than this. The movement wishes to attract people away
- from dependancy lifestyles centred around drug habits (legal or
- illegal) and unhealthy and exploitative eating and general living
- habits common in modern cultures. sXe is not dogmatic, there are no
- hard rules, these are for you to decide. Nobody should dictate like
- the police, or preach an ideology like the church or state. [15]
-
- The term itself is believed to have been coined by the band Minor
- Threat of the punk rock/hardcore scene in the early '80s. Their singer
- Ian MacKaye eschewed the nihilistic tendencies of punk rock, promoting
- instead the simple (almost simplistic) philosophy of "don't drink/
- don't smoke/ don't fuck." [4]
-
- Out of Step (with the world)
- by Minor Threat, 1981 [3]
-
- (I) Don't smoke
- Don't drink
- Don't fuck
- At least I can fucking think
-
- I can't keep up
- Can't keep up
- Can't keep up
- Out of step with the world
-
- In the 12 years since the demise of Minor Threat, these simple beliefs
- have transformed the minds of scores of teens worldwide. Increasingly
- disenchanted with societal ills, young men and women adopt the
- straight-edge doctrine as a blueprint to better first themselves, and
- then the world in which they live. While the original definition of
- straight-edge only included the rejection of mind altering substances
- and promiscuous sex, modern interpretations include a vegetarian (or
- vegan) diet and an increasing involvement and awareness of
- environmental and political issues. [4]
-
- On 15 Sep 1997 Andy Dempz <adempz@umich!edu> wrote:
- "Well... [Ian] might be credited with starting it, but he's made it
- abundantly clear he doesn't care for what's it turned into. Read old
- Minor Threat interviews, i bet most Earth Crisis fans would be shocked to
- hear him say 'it doesn't mean never drink a beer...' Besides, after
- watching every "hero" since then fall, from SSD to Youth of Today to
- today's flavor of the month, i think worrying about some stranger's
- lifestyle in regards to your own is a little silly. I do this for me,
- no one else."
-
- On 17 Sep 1997 Andy Dempz <adempz@umich!edu> wrote:
- "I mean gees, just listen to what he mumbles in the middle of Out of
- Step, 'there's no set of rules, i'm just bringing up three things
- that are like so important to the whole world... whether they're
- fuckin, or whether they're playing golf.' So maybe golf isn't sxe!"
-
- From a Minor Threat interview in Touch & Go zine:
- "Ian: Like Straight Edge, people have taken it to an extreme...as far
- as i'm concerned all we did was put out an idea... if people wanna
- hear it as preaching if that's what they want. Straight edge to me
- is someone who is alert enough to benefit from what he or she is
- doing...
-
- "Lyle: the drug and alcohol is only one side of it anyway, it's alot
- more than that, there are other things that can sidetrack you...
-
- "Ian: That's what "don't Fuck" means... alot of people think that to
- be straight edge you can't drink, smoke, or have sex and that's
- silly... what the don't fuck thing is that the whole getting laid
- and getting head thing
-
- "Lyle: living for sex
-
- "Ian: following your penis around is fucking people up more than
- anything"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-1. What is alt.punk.straight-edge?
-
- alt.punk.straight-edge is a news group on Usenet that provides a forum
- for discussions about the straight-edge lifestyle. The sort of things
- that should be posted includes questions and news about straight-edge
- hardcore/punk bands, the straight-edge lifestyle, and the scene. The
- sort of posts that aren't welcome is SPAM, mindless insults (lets try
- to be creative :), and irrelevant cross-posted threads.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-2. Where does the name straight-edge come from?
-
- According to legend, the drummer for Minor Threat [Jeff Nelson], one of
- the first bands to preach the "stay punk, stay clean" ethos, ...was
- drawing a poster for a show using a wood ruler. He commented to his
- bandmates that the ruler's straight edge was a metaphor for their
- lifestyle. [1]
-
- Straight Edge
- by Minor Threat, 1981 [3]
-
- I'm a person just like you
- But I've got better things to do
- Than sit around and fuck my head
- Hang out with the living dead
- Snort white shit up my nose
- Pass out at the shows
- I don't even think about speed
- That's something I just don't need
-
- I've got the straight edge
-
- I'm a person just like you
- But I've got better things to do
- Than sit around and smoke dope
- 'Cause I know I can cope
- Laugh at the thought of eating ludes
- Laugh at the thought of sniffing glue
- Always gonna keep in touch
- Never want to use a crutch
-
- I've got the straight edge
-
- On 30 Aug 1997 erik mohr <emandrew@mindspring!com> wote:
- "my understanding of the origin was that ian mc.. wanted to call minor
- threat "straight edge" and the rest of the guys wouldn't go for it. so
- he wrote a song cause he liked the name."
-
- On 09 Aug 1998 Larry Phillips <bigphil@solutions!mb!ca> wrote:
- "Ian Macaye didn't want to call the band "Straight Edge", he wanted to
- call it "Straight". here is the exact quote from the interview with
- him in the sXe book on Revelation "I wanted just to name the band
- "Straight," because we were going to push this thing even more. We
- didn't end up using it for the name of the band, but I ended up writing
- a song about it, and it was basically a song which was, in my mind,
- championing the individual.""
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-3. What's with the Xs?
-
- A common practice at all-ages punk shows was to mark minors with an "X"
- on their hands so they couldn't buy alcohol. As the straight-edge
- philosophy grew popular, punkers who were older than 18 but didn't
- drink for ideological reasons started to mark themselves with the X in
- a show of solidarity. [1]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-4. What is sXe?
-
- sXe is really just an acronym for straight-edge with the X thrown for
- good measure.
-
- If you have more stuff on the history and origin of the use of the
- term "sXe", share it.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-5. Where can I find hardcore sex?
-
- Man! You're seriously in the wrong place. And maybe you should see
- somebody about that dyslexia.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-6. Is straight-edge a religion?
-
- No. Although sXe embraces some of the moral values held by most major
- religions, sXe'ers don't necessarily believe in a God. There is no
- organised church or worship service. However, some sXe'ers are members
- of organised churches, temples or mosques where they feel that the sXe
- beliefs fit in. [2]
-
- Straight Edgers say their life choices stem from a desire to be true to
- themselves and not from any religious beliefs. [8]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-7. Why do kids get into straight-edge?
-
- Some common reasons people decide to become sXe include: 1. wanting to
- control their own lives 2. seeing what damage drugs can do to others
- 3. being raised in an alcoholic family 4. identifying with the sXe
- values and 5. being with people who have the same values. [2]
-
- Ruth Horner said "There's just such a TREMENDOUS social pressure to
- drink, do drugs, and so on. Society says 'just say no' but what does it
- matter, once you turn 21? Or at least become an adult. Then it's just
- an accepted form of 'recreation.' By then it has become an accepted
- 'addiction' as well. Look at how prevalent alcohol and tobacco and
- negative sexuality are in the media, not just commercials. it's a big
- part of our culture, particularly youth culture. Where does it end you
- up?
-
- "That's right. Nowhere fast. I just don't understand. From what I have
- heard, hangovers suck. Watching your life fall apart sucks. It's just
- not fair o yourself, or anyone else around you that loves you to take
- such a risk and purposely deny yourself the privilege of being healthy.
- Health isn't a privilege, it's a given. It doesn't FEEL good to have
- hangovers. It doesn't FEEL good to OD. It doesn't FEEL good to go
- through withdrawal and it most certainly doesn't FEEL good to have
- AIDS! So why don't today's youth learn from example? I did. A lot of
- others out there have too. But for some reason, the ignorant are still
- out there.
-
- "You just have to learn to stand strong against it all. Stay true to
- yourself. Find alternatives. Personally I find that I get a high from
- going to hows. Just the ROAR of the guitar, and the RUSH of the drums
- feeling he sweat drip from my face, being squashed by the others around
- me. I find THAT exciting!!
-
- "I don't think I'm any better than anyone else, I just think I'm being
- smart. And if you have a problem with that then tough." [7]
-
- On 07 Oct 1997 jeramie <frenzy@netropolis.net> wrote:
- "I speak for myself, but I think some of us find life to be more
- entertaining when you can walk and talk straight or look at a member
- of the opposite sex and not be obsessed with f@#$ing them. Being sXe
- is it's own reward. It isn't for everyone, but I know a lot of people
- who do more constructive things which their energy and time because
- they believe in sXe and are'nt tearing themselves apart with vices and
- addictions. You have to be brave enough to try it in order understand
- why it's a lifestyle choice and quest."
-
- On 09 Aug 1998 Larry Phillips <bigphil@solutions!mb!ca> wrote:
- "Another reason kids get into sxe is cause they think its the cool
- thing to do."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-8. How do I join the straight-edge?
-
- You don't join straight-edge, you take on the straight-edge. You
- just get involved in the scene and start thinking for yourself.
-
- The idea is to closely examine your own life, identify what factors
- influence your thoughts and behaviours, assess what impact they are
- having on your life and rid yourself of those factors which you deem to
- have a negative impact on your life. [2] [12]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 1-9. Why do you need a label to be poison free?
-
- On 30 Dec 1998 <SikanderXe@aol!com> wrote:
- "the label shows you're actually serious about what you're saying and
- that you're not making any exceptions (although there is lots of
- hypocrisy, but this is ideally speaking). It's also a commitment thing,
- something to believe in."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2. About the music
-
- Straight-edge grew out of the hardcore/punk scene and the music plays
- an important role. The music is fast, powerful, with angry and
- thoughtful lyrics. It forms a vital outlet for rage and sadness
- against abusive and/or dysfunctional political, societal and family
- structures.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-1 What is hardcore?
-
- On 15 Apr 1997 <lgumaer@ibm!net> wrote:
- "Hardcore is the style that began in the early 80s, often applied to
- bands such as Black Flag, Minor Threat, Sick of It All, Bad Brains,
- Rollins Band, Fugazi, etc.--sort of "2nd wave" punk bands. They were
- sloppy punk bands that played with more intensity and heaviness than
- earlier ones like the Sex Pistols, The Clash, etc. Today's hardcore
- bands are tighter and much heavier, and can be divided into two general
- types (usually called East Coast or West Coast, for where the band is,
- but it's not always consistent). The first type are smoother, with
- heavy grooves that flow, with a vocalist that sings (or at least tries
- to) or shouts. The second type is heavier, with tight, stop-and-go
- rhythms and harsh vocals that are a cross between shouts and low
- screams."
-
- On 10 Jun 1997 Chris97a <chris97a@aol!com> wrote:
- "Hardcore music by definition HAS to fit a mold, but hardcore lyrics by
- definition, are SUPPOSED TO BE THOUGHT PROVOKING!!!"
-
- On 26 Jun 1997 erik mohr <emandrew@mindspring!com> wrote:
- "... to me that's pretty much always been what hardcore was, highly
- politically charged punk. punk that screams an opinion."
-
- Nicolas 'Da Ringmaster' <950906nm@babbage.hogent.be> wrote:
- "Alright, this is what hardcore means to me: Energy, Positive attitude,
- Rebellion, Independance, Separating from trends, Not following the
- masses, Hard-core = hard music" [16]
-
- From the D.O.A. website:
- "D.O.A. popularized the term hardcore as applied to punk rock music
- with the release of Hardcore '81, a pivotal record from the early
- west coast hardcore punk scene.
-
- "Hardcore was (and is) uncompromising punk attitude combined with
- social activism. Sort of "punk with a message", but not to be confused
- with "straight edge" or "PC" movements, later variations of hardcore.
- West coast hardcore was completely different from the "fashionable"
- punk rock of art school students and posers - in the early days of
- punk there was a huge difference between the English-style punks
- with their fashionably torn and safety-pinned look, and the hardcore
- 'street' punk who just didn't give a fuck about their appearance.
-
- "It's an intelligent movement characterized by a deep anger at the
- status quo. It is not surprising that it began on the U.S.west coast,
- where radicalism and rebellion has deep roots... schools don't tell
- you much about the labour riots of the 20's or other examples of
- North American civil disobedience... Uncompromising hardcore shocked
- the complacent hippie mentality, needless to say.
-
- "Hardcore will never die where individualistic thought can survive -
- which of course means it has been constantly oppressed by the vacuous
- media of North America. The current popularization of 'punk' is more
- concerned with style than substance, rather a new fashionable trend
- for the pop machine.
-
- "Hardcore survives in bands like Fugazi, NoMeansNo, The Ex, and
- D.O.A. - hopefully with the current popularity of punk rock more kids
- will discover that the world ain't exactly a great place, and work for
- positive change despite the many evil forces in this world. And that is
- the best definition of hardcore I can imagine." [11]
-
- There is quite a bit of disagreement over exactly when hardcore
- started but here are some people's thoughts:
-
- On 10 May 1997 Fitaurari <fitaurari@aol!com> wrote:
- "And by the way Bad Brains DID invent 'hardcore'!"
-
- On 10 May 1997 paul.kaczmarek <paul.kaczmarek@ukonline!co!uk> wrote:
- "The Germs (April 77) , Black Flag (June 77), he Misfits (first show -
- April 77), Chain Gang, The Pagans (mid-77), Canada's The Diodes (first
- lp June 77) and The Viletones (recorded Jan 1978) were already under
- the 'hardcore' banner in 1977.
-
- "There's also a solid argument for giving the first hardcore prize to
- Chrome, who recorded undoubted hardcore lps in 1976, or Crime, who did
- the same."
-
- On 10 May 1997 Rastapoodle <herblady@zippo!com> wrote:
- "Your knowledge of the dates of the emergence of the punk hardcore
- scene is very good. I might add that by 1976, bands like Patti Smith,
- Richard Hell and the Voidoids, and many that were playing at CBGB's
- were called punk, and I think that the (mostly) West Coast bands that
- you cite were the hardcore 'babies' of those groups. (Boy, I'm sure
- they'd love that designation!) ;-)"
-
- On 10 Jul 1997 TSOL12 <tsol12@aol!aol> wrote:
- "without a doubt BLack Flag was the first HC band...anyone who says
- otherswise is a fool. People forget that early HC has its roots in punk
- everyone thinks that the newschool sound is what hardcore is
- about.....plus theres more to being a HC band than just the sound."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-2. What's the difference between old school and new school
- hardcore bands?
-
- The basic musical difference is that old school is punk and new school
- is metal.
-
- On 12 Jun 1997 Peter <pma@xxedgexx!com> wrote:
- "it's actually really simple. new school is kinda like slayer, only
- the 'kids' pretend it has something to do with hardcore. i see it as
- cheap metal. old school (THE ONLY SCHOOL!) on the other hand is
- precisely the other way around: fast and positive."
-
- On 01 Jul 1997 BattleMonkey <battlemonkey@rocketmail!com> wrote:
- "Actually, "old school" depends on how old you are. If YOT is old
- school, then you need to reach back a little further into the Teen
- Idles/Minor Threat days. And that wasn't always positive. The big
- difference for me is that new school is a lot more exclusionary, a
- lot less fun, and has bigger pants."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-3. What is emo?
-
- On 1 May 1997 "DAVe B." <skapsr@ix!netcom!com> wrote:
- "emo is a type of music, which is derived from early 80's hardcore. I
- don t know the whole story, but emo combines hardcore with more melodic
- and experimental music. Fugazi is the easiest example of a band i can
- name that is considered to be "emo" also bands like promise ring and
- texas is the reason play this vein of music."
-
- On 1 May 1997 Kevin Hirsch <hirschk@anet!net> wrote:
- "Emo is generally said to have started with DC bands like Embrace (Ian
- MacKaye's band after Minor Threat and before Fugazi) and Rites of
- Spring (Guy Picciotto's band also before Fugazi), but is in no way
- limited to them, around '85. The sound was basically a slower more
- emotional (hence the name "emo") post- version of hardcore. The vocals
- are usually sung in "whiny" (for lack of a better word) sort of way.
-
- "Emotional in this context generally connotes "vulnerability" and/or
- "troubledness", which is different from the emotionality of the
- screaming and thrashing generally associated with hardcore. This open
- emphasis on "vulnerability" and/or "troubledness" represented a major
- break in the hardcore/punk scene at that time, for it prided itself on
- tough- and hardness, as it generally does today. Hence, the long
- running feud between hardcore (sXe) and emo kids.
-
- "As for emo today, as most other sub-genres, it has spawned many
- (sometimes extremely opposite and/or contradicting) hybrids that all
- stake claim to the label, rendering it somewhat useless. Here are some
- examples: there's political, scream-and-flail-on-the-floor, emo like
- Frail, Swing Kids, Impetus Inter, and a slew of San Diego based bands;
- there's the really slow, discordant, artsy emo like Cap'n Jazz, Joan
- d'Arc, Evergreen, etc.; then we have the more popular
- melody/pop-oriented bands like Texas is the Reason, Sensefield,
- Mineral, Promise Ring, Split Lip (now Chamberlain), etc.; and last but
- not least we have the slow, stop-and-go, melody-thrash alternating
- groups like Amber Inn, Still Life, and others I can't think of right
- now."
-
- On 31 Aug 1997 <PolarityHC@aol!com> write:
- "I believe that Al Flipside called Embrace "emo" and Ian was like "huh",
- but for some reason the name stuck."
-
- On 03 Oct 1997 <XXMARTINXx@aol.com> wrote:
- "i think the band verbal assult invented the word emo. and embrace, as
- good as they were, weren't the first "emo" band. dag nasty, 3, and
- 7 seconds all had an emo sound before them."
-
- On 18 Nov 1997 .xmikex. <info@jameson!com> wrote:
- "EMO (E-mo) slang 1)A wimp 2)Anyone not tough enough to listen to your
- friend's band. 3)Anyone/thing that refuses to floorpunch and hit
- bystanders in a mosh pit (see mosh).
-
- "OK, for real, THIS is my understanding and how my friends and I use
- this helpful term every day:
- 1) EMO is an abbreviation of EMOTIONAL.
- 2) As such, it can (& I think originally was used to) describe a style
- of music.
- 3) A lot of bands from the Washington DC area punk scene are considered
- "EMO" (Embrace being one of the 1st to have this label).
- 4) The EMO "SOUND" of minimalist drums & guitars, quiet singing building
- up to a loud screaming racket. There can be a major jazz influence.
- 5) Anyone can be emo now. Morrissey, the cure, fugazi, endpoint, you
- name it, they've been labeled "emo" (sinatra)
-
- "The people:
- Emo kids are considered wimps by most "tough guys". This may or may not
- be true. Classic "emo stories" are of kids crying at shows. (something
- I recently witnessed at a show...) I guess this public show of emotion
- is seen as weakness by most in the HC community. Whereas Emo music tends
- to wrestle the inner demons of personal defeat, loveloss, heartache etc.
- "Hardcore" tends to wrestle that big hairy smelly guy in the pit next to
- you. No, seriously, HC tends to deal with taking action to change things
- rather than ruminate on that might have been. I guess the main
- difference is that Emo tends to be backward looking, and HC tends to be
- forward looking. (Yesyesyes, I know there's MASSIVE crossover in musical
- styles and song subject matter- a lot of HC bands write "personal"
- lyrics and a lot of emo bands write songs with a social message).I
- dunno, I like some emo bands, but I prefer HC.
-
- "THE STYLE:
- Hair: often a bit crusty
- Glasses: Horn-rim ONLY (cat-eyes are also acceptable for the women)
- Facial Hair: Stubble
- Piercings: Optional
- Necklaces: Beads, etc. (mandatory)
- Shirt: Old t-shirts, dress shirts etc.
- Sweater: No!no!no! a sweaterVEST. (old)
- Jacket: Old, thrift shop gear as with all the above.
- Pants: Dress pants / corduroy. Floods are totally cool.
- Socks: White
- Shoes: Black dress shoes
-
- "The color palate? Browns, blacks, dark blues etc.
-
- "Think "Nick at Night". The look is retro with an edge. Drew Carey if
- he wore thrift store stuff.
-
- A brief list of "emo" bands I or my friends like:
- (i don't like all these bands. they will have an * by their name if I'm
- not a big fan)
- FUGAZI
- EMBRACE
- RITES OF SPRING
- JAWBOX
- BLUETIP
- FRODUS
- TEXAS IS THE REASON*
- PROMISE RING* (yeech)
- NONE LEFT STANDING
- MINERAL
- MAXIMILLIAN COLBY
- JAWBREAKER
-
- "Perhaps CRUCIAL YOUTH said it best in their glossary of terms when they
- described it:
- EMO-CORE: "Mature" music made by cigarette-puffing ex-straightedgers.
- Heavy on soul-searching, hard to mosh to."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-4. Who was the first straight-edge band?
-
- The Teen Idles, an early 80's Washington, DC hardcore band, and
- something of a precursor to Minor Threat, can arguably be called the
- first straight-edge band. [4]
-
- On 20 May 1998 IBANEZ33 <IBANEZ33@aol!com> wrote:
- "The first sXe band was jud jud.
-
- "I dont know that much about them, but I do know they were the first
- straight edge band."
-
- On 09 Aug 1998 Larry Phillips <bigphil@solutions!mb!ca> wrote:
- "If that jud jud thing is a joke it's ok. But jud jud just made some
- joke in victory megazine 2 that they were the first sxe band."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-5. What is this windmill dance?
-
- On 13 Nov 1996 Daniel Wayne Zettwoch <dwzettwo@artsci!wustl!edu> wrote:
- "It's kinda like the Humpty-Hump, but a lot more violent. Got it?"
-
- On 27 Aug 1997 Karl <RecoilRex@aol!com> wrote:
- "Okay, remember when you were 8 and you'd get into a fight? (or
- see other kids fighting) and you'd just swing your arms in a
- circle toward the person?
-
- "Well the whole windmill dance thingy is done like that (only
- swinging the arms backwards) while skipping left to right/ right to
- left.
-
- "Kind of hard to describe"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-6. What is floorpunching?
-
- On 13 Nov 1996 Daniel Wayne Zettwoch <dwzettwo@artsci!wustl!edu> wrote:
- "It's done exactly like it sounds. Really punch that floor to make it
- realistic!! Punch it hard!!"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 2-7. What other dances are there?
-
- On 18 Oct 1997 XMARTINX <hexen@gmx!net> wrote"
- "a guide to violent dancing
-
- "stagediving, pile-ups, windmills, walls of death, slamdancing, its an
- excellent way to release pent-up frustrations or to shed thos extra
- pounds. This is the spirit of the youth, this is what hardcore is all
- about. The pit found its roots in punks slam and pogo (some say it was
- invented late 70┤s on shows from the Germs, The weirdos, Black Flag ...)
- and progressed in trash- and death metal gigs. Since the walls between
- punk and metal have come down, the audience has changed lately, the size
- of the pit is growing. Early hc-gigs saw the craziness of a few
- violators but the latest shows were slamfest were over 50 kids really
- knocked their way through the audience. What makes me so proud about
- this scene is that it never comes to fights. In other places, when a pit
- starts, it often comes to fistfights and those who participate in the
- action want to dance the hardest. Lack of respect and comprehension is
- mostly the reason for this. Anyway, heres some names and explanation
- for pit-tricks, the editor is not responcible for any injuries at all
- ... ;-)
-
- "Some stagediving techniques:
-
- "arrow: hands behind the back, take a leap on stage and shoot yourself
- into the front rows.
-
- "Flip: flip your body headfirst and land on the crowd, you can flip
- over and over again while laying on the crowd too.
-
- "Feet-first: make sure you dont wear combat-boots for this. Run off
- the stage and jump as high as possible, then stretch both feet before
- you land with your gravity centered in your bottom.
-
- "Wuss-dive: get on stage and make gestures with your arms that people
- should move up front to catch you, then with lots of efforts, lay down
- safely, like you would drop dead.
-
- "Floor kiss (or pope -dive): take a huge leap and jump as high as you
- can, pointing your lips in a romantic way and land on your face.
-
- "Golden Rules:
- - Dont wear too many clothes. Just make sure your piercings, fresh
- tattoos, genitals and brest are well protected. Of course its great if
- you can rip some yuppies Nirvana T-Shirt to tiny pieces.
- - Only dance when theres a good mood. Dont make a complete idiot of
- yourself going off on emo or melodic gigs. Use the H-force for H-bands.
- - Dont take food/drinks with you. You dont wanna end up with fries in
- your ears smelling of Dr.Pepper after a good gig, do you ?
- - Dont fart in the pit !!
- - Dont kiss your partner up front (especially when you dont want the
- others tongue-piercing to be yours)
-
- "DANCING TRICKS
-
- "GORILLA (PICKING UP STYLE)
- Legs spread and hands grabbing the floor on the rythms of the beat
- (NY-Style is excellent to do this, Solid the perfect band)
-
- "BREADSLICER
- Crouch your arms and slam them open as wide and hard as possible, great
- on fast parts, even better in combination of shoving your feet in all
- directions.
-
- "WINDMILL (single or double)
- Rotate your arms 360 degrees forward or backward, make sure your fingers
- are locked safely in a fist, for the sake of yourself and buddie-slammers.
-
- "DOUBLE TROUBLE
- One dancer rides the others back or neck against onslaughts of attack by
- human battering rams. Invented by the skins but lately done by our
- BXL-friends.
-
- "SUCK-CORE SWEEPER
- Stand back to back with a fella and grab his arms from behind. Lift him
- up and whirl like a madman into the front rows. This move is complete
- if you release the human projectile to knock down some victims.
-
- "WALL OF DEATH
- Arms locked tight in an iron chain, a line of burly dudes mows down any
- unexspecting pedestrian standing in its path. When doing this, make sure
- you have the beefiest guys with you.
-
- "FRIGOBAZAR HIP-HOP
- Jump up and down like a moron to ridicolous hiphop-beats. When you see
- geeks doing this, go for a double windmill or a wall of death to clear
- them of the floor so they can hide safely in the back drinking
- Kriek-Beer"
-
- On 18 Oct 1997 XJeremyX wrote:
- "My favorites:
-
- "The Menace: If you saw the movie "Don't be a menace to south central
- while drinking your juice in the hood" (the grandma did it while she
- was break dancing in church) you should be familiar with this one. You
- stand on one foot, grab your other ankle and kick your leg forward while
- still holding it. Fun to do to the slow dance parts.
-
- "The helicopter: spread your arms out and swing them around like your a
- helicopter.Wheeeeeee!
-
- "The Sledgehammer: Clasp your hands and Swing them like you've got a
- sledgehammer. Fun to do to the intro of those fast old school songs
- just before you point and scream "GO!"
-
- "Kick'n'go: Hold your arm out, fully extended, with your hand held in
- a palm. Swing your arm and strike your palm with your fist. now when
- you bring your fist back to hit your palm again, kick. repeat.
-
- "Seisure: My favorite. Do what you want, but shake like a maniac and
- run around. Do this when the singer passes you the mike."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3. About the commitment
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-1. Why are there so many rules?
-
- Straight-edge isn't about rules. It's a philosophy about being in
- control of your own actions and making decisions for yourself. As a
- result you'll choose not to smoke, drink, sleep around, eat meat but
- these choices may be different to different people. The hallmarks of
- straight-edge remain hardcore/punk music and don't smoke, don't drink,
- don't fuck.
-
- On 22 Mar 1997 sibber <sibber@worldnet!att!net> wrote:
- "to call what i, you,and that everyone else lives by as ''rules'' is
- kind of i don't know the right word but when I hear rules its normally
- something i want to do but can't. i see it as commitments that i
- proudly live by."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-2. If I slip from the 'edge does that mean I can't be
- straight-edge anymore?
-
- Noone is perfect, so just get back on the 'edge.
-
- On 12 Jul 1997 <Shmee5@aol!com> wrote:
- "It's my belief that either you are or you never were. I'm not saying
- that I don't believe in second chances - but when it comes to slipping
- from the edge...well, just don't slip and there's no nead to worry. I
- just feel that if you aren't ready to commit then you shouldn't call
- yourself SxE."
-
- On 14 Sep 1997 ianX <ian-one@demon.co.uk> wrote:
- "it's easy to go off track when shit happens. No-one has to be perfect
- as no-one can be."
-
- On 01 Dec 1997 <SikanderXe@aol.com> wrote:
- "there is no slipping up in sXe. this can be heard in the lyrics of
- many bands...sXe is, by the modern definition a commitment for life.
- if you slip up you sell out, and if you sell out then you can't call
- yourself straightedge anymore. that's basically it. there's no turning
- back."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-3. Can I be straight-edge and a Christian?
-
- The typical punk view is that all organised religion is a crutch that
- keeps people down. However there are many who don't agree that is has
- to be, nor should be like that.
-
- xjeffx said "I don't believe in a god or in organised religion,
- Christianity especially. Believing in something which we don't know
- definitively exists, is absurd to me. Religion (Christianity) is
- oppression of the people. ...In the words of Karl Marx "Religion is the
- opium of the people." What is meant by this is that people rely on
- religion like a drug. When things get bad, they take a little, like
- when they get fired, they would pray and feel better. Then something
- else happens and they go take a little more. Eventually they are
- "addicted" or in other words "faithful" to religion and god, like a
- drug, which is their way of escape from reality." [6]
-
- Christians would respond that they agree that this sux and that it is
- some bad elements within Christianity that give the whole scene a bad
- name. True Christianity is about truth and not blind faith so your
- belief has to be backed up by historical fact and reason. Its sort of
- like the hardcore scene - there are all these kids who haven't got a
- clue but just smoke, drink and fuck themselves into oblivion. These kids
- give HC a bad name. Then there are the few kids who are straight-edge,
- who take life seriously and do something positive. Even within sXe
- there are the militant and hardline elements that distort the rest of
- the movement.
-
- On 18 Jun 1997 X calculus X <bwrenn@cslab!vt!edu> wrote:
- "The guy who only turns to God when he is down is not a true Christian.
- He thinks of God more or less as his imaginary friend. Being Christian
- involves understanding who Jesus is and how following his teachings
- will enable you to work towards bettering your own life. This is not a
- crutch at all. This has some degree of parallelism to sXe in that it
- involves follwing priciples and beleifs."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-4. If I'm straight-edge can I take holy communion?
-
- Firstly why doesn't you Church provide grape juice as an option to
- wine? How do they cater for ex-alcoholics? Ask! Secondly the amount of
- wine is so small that it really shouldn't be an issue. The point of the
- exercise is symbolic. You can think for yourself so make your own mind
- up on the issue.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-5. Can I be straight-edge and gay?
-
- Straight-edge has nothing to do with your sexuality. Its casual sex
- that's an issue.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-6. Is straight-edge about politics?
-
- Although sXe is not inherently political, politics are a logical
- extension of an sXe lifestyle. Once you have regained control over your
- life, the desire to help others and to make a positive contribution to
- your culture, society, community by addressing issues of social justice
- is a very natural thing to do. Many sXe'ers join organisations like
- Greenpeace, Amnesty International, and SADD (Students Against Drunk
- Drivers). They also encourage friends to give up drugs, alcohol, and
- smoking. [2] [12]
-
- On Mon, 24 Mar 1997 <katoh9tale@aol!com> wrote:
- "My impression of people who are talking about straight-edge these days
- is similar to the impression of current dead-heads sitting around
- talking about how much they wished that they had been around at
- woodstock shouting the "fish cheer" with Country Joe and the Fish.
-
- "It is an incredible misunderstanding of the music and surrounding
- culture that lead to it's creation.
-
- "The straight-edge in spawned in DC and Boston back in the days of
- Minor Threat and SSD was not some kind of ideological system. It was a
- knee-jerk reaction to an overwhelming number of fans who were minors
- and the incredible numbers of clubs who refused to allow them in the
- doors. Even the "X" in sXe is nothing more than a throwback to club
- alcohol policies."
-
- Asked where he stands politically, Russ Rankin from Good Riddance said:
- "I would say I'm very much to the left on everything. Everything except
- drug legalization. I don't think drugs should ever be legalized.
-
- "Why not? Because I'm straight edge and closed minded." [13]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-7. Do I have to be vegan/vegetarian to be straight-edge?
-
- On 23 Jul 1997 Andy Dempz <adempz@umich!edu> wrote:
- "vegetarianism is not part of sxe, only a natural progression."
-
- Veganism has little to do with sXe pure life ideals. People generally
- aren't addicted to animal products. But it seems logical to look at
- everything you put into your body once you start examining external
- factors, and so many sXe folk logically choose to adopt a vegan life.
- [2]
-
- The following definitions are from the rec.food.veg FREQUENTLY ASKED
- QUESTIONS LIST (FAQ):
- The term 'Vegetarian' was coined in 1847. It was first formally used
- on September 30th of that year by Joseph Brotherton and others, at
- Northwood Villa in Kent, England. The occasion being the innaugural
- meeting of the Vegetarian Society of the United Kingdom.
-
- The word was derived from the Latin 'vegetus', meaning whole, sound,
- fresh, lively; (it should not be confused with 'vegetable-arian' - a
- mythical human whom some imagine subsisting entirely on vegetables
- but no nuts, fruits, grains etc!)
-
- The original definition of 'vegetarian' was "with or without eggs or
- dairy products" and that definition is still used by the Vegetarian
- Society today.
-
- A vegan excludes animal flesh (meat, poultry, fish and seafood),
- animal products (eggs and dairy), and usually excludes honey and the
- wearing and use of animal products (leather, silk, wool, lanolin,
- gelatin...). The major vegan societies all disallow honey, but some
- "vegans" still use it. Some "vegans" also refuse to eat yeast
- products.
-
- The word was invented by the UK Vegan society in the 1940's. They
- pronounced it "vee-gn". [14]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-8. Can I take medications if I'm straight-edge?
-
- Some kids say you shouldn't take any drugs. "Straight Edger's exclude
- all forms of drugs from their lives, including alcohol, cigarettes,
- illegal drugs and often other drugs such as aspirin. Most sXe'ers don't
- even "use" caffeine." [2]
-
- However, it would be stupid not to take medications for serious
- illnesses. How can you take control of your life if you're delirious
- or dead!
-
- On 25 Jan 1997 refuge <ebmgieda@refuge!microserve!com> wrote:
- "fucking take them! are you nuts?"
-
- On 27 Sep 1997 SuperCarol <supercarol@hotmail!com> wrote:
- "You are who you are. Straight Edge has always been about the choices
- you make, right? Well you don't have a choice to choose to have [a
- condition] or not. Therefore take your medicine and have SxE pride
- because you are doing what's best for your body. And I think a lot of
- "SxE" is about taking care of yourself...as long as you're not abusing
- your prescription, than it's all good."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-9. Is taking caffeine straight-edge?
-
- On 17 Jun 1997 ianX <ian-one@demon!co!uk> wrote:
- "really it's up to your own interpretation of straightedge, some drink
- coffee and tea others don't. It's all a matter of personal choice. I
- don't drink it as I just hate coffee's taste."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-10. How much does pro-life feature in sXe?
-
- This is quite a heated topic as you can imagine. I'll take the
- liberty to define some of the terms since there is a lot of different
- meanings being used - I'll take the obvious ones. Pro-life is the
- belief that life (especially human) is always valuable and should be
- supported and defended. It is not however anti-choice, just like
- pro-choice is not anti-life. Pro-choice is the belief that people
- should be able to make life choices by themselves, and in particular
- whether they choose to have an abortion performed on their unborn
- child.
-
- Given the definitions above most who've got the straight-edge are
- pro-life and pro-choice. That is, they will take responsibility for
- their actions (which is the reason for being straight) and will not
- take the easy option of aborting an unexpected child. However, they
- will not presume to force the same ethic on others.
-
- Those who are hardline will also be anti-choice.
-
- On 04 Aug 1997 Mike Kornitsky <korndog@vcn!bc!ca> wrote:
- "Anti-abortion figures into sxe about as much as veganism does. It
- is an extension of the making the personal life political. The most
- effective place to make a change is your own body and the actions you
- take every day."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-11. Don't most stop being straight-edge when they reach
- drinking age?
-
- On 04 Aug 1997 Mike Kornitsky <korndog@vcn!bc!ca> wrote:
- "It probably wasn't the right choice for them in the first place if
- they loose the edge once they become legal. They're not being honest
- to themselves of the motives behind calling themselves straight edge."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-12. All my friends drink, does this mean I have to find
- new friends?
-
- No! Be a good influence for them. You can be a better friend by
- being straight.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 3-13. Do straight-edge kids have sex at all?
-
- In short yes. However, most sxe kids will wait until they are ready to
- take on the responsibility of a relationship that is serious enough
- for the commitment of marraige.
-
- On 14 Sep 1997 zach <rnowell@sprynet.com> wrote:
- "no casual sex. or permiscous sex, fucking around, no one nite stands,
- diseases are spread, abortions happen, date rape, so no screwing
- around, emotional baggage you dont need, so basicly you dont have sex
- until you meet someone your comfortable with and that you'll take on
- all the responsibilities or sex."
-
- On 15 Sep 1997 mattie t <buffalostyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
- "Sxe is to abstain from poisons and mainly be true to your self. Being
- true to yourself will help you from abstaining from sex. It has worked
- for me I was a virgin until 19."
-
- On 19 Sep 1997 Simon XXX <bastardx@interlog.com> wrote:
- "if you're going to quote Ian, you should put it in some sort of context
- first. Ian always used to make a point of explaining that he used the
- word "fuck" very specifically, to refer to people using/abusing each
- other. He was far from celibate himself. Straight edge has nothing to
- do with celibacy."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4. About the scene
-
- On 19 Aug 1997 Terence David <SandraGail@webtv!net> wrote:
- "Just wanted to talk about the good old glory days when the HARDCORE
- scene was REAL and there was no kickboxing, baggy clothes or attitudes.
- Yeah Yeah, all you "new school" kids are probably sick of hearing about
- the past, but it is brought up so often because of how great it was (at
- least compared to now). Everybody had something to say and used their
- energy positively and did something productive with it.
- Whether they started a band, did a zine or promoted a show, they were
- benefiting Hardcore and making "our" subculture a better one. Nowadays
- it seems that H.C. is grasping onto the things that we tryed so hard to
- get away from. All of the negative aspects of mainstream life seem to
- be filtering into our scene. Shit talking, fashion, competition, money,
- greed and status (just to name a few of the more blatant ones). Our
- scene is becoming a small scale version of this shitty world around us.
- As Ray of Today once said, it's time to "MAKE A CHANGE"!! H.C.S.E. is
- somehting I hold very close to my heart. It's more than music, fashion
- or the latest karate dance. It's a way of life. The past is the past
- and now is now. But please, let's try to make our scene's future a
- better more positive one. That means become more productive, more
- positive and leave the brass knuckles and atttitudes at home. Better
- yet, throw em' away. We're all in this together and unity is what it's
- all about."
-
- On 23 Nov 1998 ToddX <ToddX@unbounded!com> wrote:
- "First off I am going to make one thing clear: the X in my name was
- there before I became sXe. I have read a number of the responses and
- have seen and heard things for the last ten years now on what's wrong
- with being sXe. For anyone that honestly has a problem with someone
- that chooses to live their life free of addicition, exploitation,
- bigotry and hatred, in addition to promiscuous sexual relations there is
- nothing that any one can say to you that will make you like the movement
- (if I may allowed to be so bold as to call such a moddled gathering of
- varying definitions of what sXe is) or for that matter anyone in it.
- Too often people associate sXe with sports wear, hardcore, short hair,
- and violence. These are not what sXe is about just the same as spikes,
- piercing, colored hair, and drunkedness is not punk. They are things
- that people do. Assigning uninforms to the various scenes is relatively
- easy and many that belong to these scenes are as easily identifiable as
- the culture the are seeking to subvert. If you look at the individual
- that is sXe ask them what their beliefs are and why. Challenge them on
- real issues that affect society not fashion sense and personal conduct
- (unless that conduct is beating people up). I will leave you with this
- from my observations of sXe (it should be noted that facisim is not sXe)
- and punk is that their sense of justice is the same. animal friendly,
- gay positive, pro-feminist, anti-racist, anti-facist,
- anti-commodification, and pro-life."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-1. Aren't you all just mummy's boys?
-
- While straight-edgers don't smoke, drink, or sleep around, we're not
- just mindlessly conforming to authority.
-
- "The difference between us and nerds is that we [abstain from drugs] as
- a way of rebelling against society, not because society tells us not
- to," said Sean O'Donnell, 18, a freshman at West Chester University.
- [9]
-
- Whatever the reason for their sobriety, many adults believe that the
- peer support Straight Edgers get is a good thing. A lot of them get
- ostracised and harassed because they're straight. [9]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-2. Why do all you kids wear backpacks?
-
- To protect us from the knives! [From a Raid interview. Anyone know
- where?]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-3. Why is straight-edge so narrow minded?
-
- In the mid to late 80's, straight-edge hardcore reached a zenith,
- especially in the greater Metropolitan area of New York City. This
- atmosphere led to the creation of Gorilla Biscuits, Bold, Wide Awake
- and arguably the most prolific band of the era, Youth of Today. While
- the bands of this period did much to popularise straight-edge, they
- also contributed to its closeminded and antagonistic aspects. The
- attitude between straight-edge and the rest of the world often took on
- adversarial tones during this time, largely becoming "The positive
- youth crew versus people who drink, smoke and/or do drugs." Many people
- dislike straight-edge and its adherents because of such intolerant
- views. [4]
-
- In a 1995 interview with the Thicker fanzine, Ian MacKaye denounced the
- stringent attitude prevalent in the culture he is widely credited with
- founding. "The whole straight-edge thing for me was never about this
- kind of puritan lifestyle, where I was supposed to be leading the
- masses towards a better tomorrow," he said. [1]
-
- On 03 Jul 1997 Koontz Christopher Noel <iy17@jove!acs!unt!edu> wrote:
- "One can be a non-smoker, a teatotaler, and a vegetarian, and yet still
-
- go see devil metal bands. Usually, everyone got along and had fun
- because at the time, it was all there was. Maybe it's different now
- that things are so much bigger and glitzier, or maybe Louisville has
- just always been a lucky city."
-
- On 30 Oct 1997 Mikesolation wrote:
- "I've been going to shows since '83, and hardcore has changed its face
- a hundred times since then. I like "new school" just as much as I like
- "old school" and I dont think that there is much difference in its
- attitude. Sure it was faster angrier punk back in the early 80's, and
- then there came a metal influence, and hardcore became too metal to be
- punk, but too punk to be metal. But its attitude has always remained.
- It's easy to live in the past, and say it was so much better then, and
- in some ways it was. But I wouldnt have traded the last few years for
- anytime back in the 80's. I have great friends, and talk to kids all
- over the country. I just lost one of my closest friends, and I cherish
- the time I had with him, because he, to me, personified what hardcore
- is about. He had also been going to shows for a long time, and loved it
- all; punk, hardcore, metal, whatever. You don't have to take sides, old
- or new, you just have to appreciate what you got.
-
- "Milwaukee Mike
- SEB LIVES"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-5. Isn't straight-edge just a fad?
-
- Asked if he thought many kids stay straight-edge as they grow up or
- stray away from it, Karl Buechner of Earth Crisis said "There's
- definitely a high turnover rate, but there's a true core of people who
- always stay, and that's what matters.
-
- "Things are so technical and strict now for us, that a person who's
- going through a phase will not be drawn to straight-edge. If anything,
- they're repelled by it. Straight-edge is a lifetime commitment, and
- people realize that." [5]
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-6. What is hardline straight-edge?
-
- On 9 Jun 1997 Andy Dempz <adempz@umich!edu> wrote:
- "Hardline is a very specific political eco-defense movement that
- believes they have the one truth of natural living, including
- abstinence from drugs, veganism, and pro-life beliefs. They also claim
- to believe in direct action, but it remains to be seen if they'll do
- anything."
-
- From the Hardline Creed:
- "The time has come for an ideology and for a movement, that is both
- physically and morally strong enough, to do battle against the forces
- of evil that are destroying the earth (and all life upon it). ...
-
- "That ideology, that movement, is Hardline. A belief system, and a way
- of life that lives by one ethos - that all innocent life is sacred, and
- must have the right to live out it's natural state of existance in
- peace, without interference. ... Any action that does interfere with
- such rights shall not be considered a "right" in itself, and therefore
- shall not be tolerated. Those who hurt or destroy life around them, or
- create a situation in which that life or the quality of it is
- threatened shall from then on no longer be considered innocent life,
- and in turn will no longer have rights.
-
- "Adherents to the hardline will abide by these proncilpes in daily
- life. They shall live at one with the laws of nature, and shall not
- forsake them for the desire of pleasure - from deviant sexual acts
- and/or abortion, to drug use of any kind (and all other cases where
- one harms all life around them under the pretext that they are just
- harming themselves). And, in following with the belief that one shall
- not infringe on an innocent's life - no animal product shall be
- consumed (be it flesh, milk or egg). Along with this purity of
- everyday life, the true hardliner must strive to liberate the rest of
- the world from it's chains - saving lives in some cases, and in others,
- dealing out justice to those guilty of destoying it." [10]
-
- On 25 May 1997 Xcabal423X <xcabal423x@aol!com> wrote:
- "sXe has nothing to do with hardline."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-7. What is a poseur?
-
- According to my dictionary a poseur is "a person who poses for effect
- or behaves affectedly". It is someone who superficially wants to be
- part of a scene. So an example is someone who wears their Xs but still
- drinks beer.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-8. Is sXe a crutch for the weak?
-
- On 04 Aug 1997 Mike Kornitsky <korndog@vcn!bc!ca> wrote:
- "You have to question what the weakness is. Do straight edgers not
- drink caffeine because they've got weak bladders? Don't touch alcohol
- because they have poor metabolisms? Don't smoke because they have
- poor lung capacity? What are the advantages to using drugs that one's
- level of consciousness? More often that not, drugs are used to
- facilitate social interactions by altering normal behavior and mood.
- If somebody needs an outside agent to interact, that sounds like more
- of a crutch."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-9. What is a sellout?
-
- "Well, to clear things up a little, selling out means compromising
- one's beliefs or principles for money or self agin. If Earth Crisis
- went mainstream (with the same message) to help others not themselves,
- then what about that would be selling out? ... Don't compromise style,
- originality or the message. Just get those things out to the people
- who are in need of it the most, those who have yet to hear it." [17]
-
- On 16 Feb 1998 Jimmy VA wrote:
- "Following "the edge" isn't for everybody, and sometimes it takes an
- attempt to live by the edge to figure that out. Don't pass judgement
- on someone just because they want to smoke or drink or whatever. In
- the words of Stretch Armstrong, "If you turned your back on someone
- just because they 'broke the edge', then tell me, who sold out who?"."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-10. Why do a lot of you people use the name of your band
- or 'zine as a surname?
-
- On 27 Dec 1997 spitbrother <spitbrother@swol!de> wrote:
- "Well this is kinda punk tradition, which has its roots back in the
- days when most punks met on the streets and were called after the
- places they came from, funny events that happened to them or activities
- they were involved... also "back in the days" (haha excuse me but i am
- turning 33 soon) punk was not accepted as it is today und you always
- had to watch your back (and front...), be aware of cops, nazis and
- jocks, so most punks chose a "warname" under which they were known in
- the scene..."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-11. Why don't sXe kids have a sense of humour?
-
- On 28 Aug 1998 Stew <stew-e@usa!net> wrote:
- "Well, that is very stero-typical, because I got a good humor and I
- am a hardliner sXe. Anyway, I am guessing it is because we have to
- take our life seriously. after all, becoming sXe is a serious choice.
- And you really cant be serious and have a good humor at the same time
- (or can you?)"
-
- On 30 Dec 1998 <SikanderXe@aol!com> wrote:
- "you must not know a lot of sXe kids if u think that."
-
- On 09 Feb 1999 jonathan haggerty <3692@hermitage!durham!sch!uk> wrote:
- "All straight edge'ers do not drink any alcohol, or drugs. They think
- that the negatives weigh more strongly than the positives. And ...
- you can see an straightedge person which is obviously not drinking,
- together with his friends, who are. Because this person isn't drinking
- he reacts differently to jokes made by drunk people."
-
- "the myth that sxe kids have no sense of humour is rubbish. humour
- is not generated by alcohol and sxe kids can have just as much fun
- as non sxe-ers. I am sxe and all of my favourite films are comedies...
- who comes up with these weird rumours?"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-12. What is DIY?
-
- On 28 Aug 1998 Stew <stew-e@usa!net> wrote:
- "do-it-yourself. I guess Sxe kids depend on themselves to get things
- done because they have to take action themeselves in order for
- something to happen. After all, scenes dont happen unless we all help
- out. we cant rely on others, because if we did, then maybe we would
- not be straightede."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-13. What is the relationship of sXe to skating and BMX?
-
- On 28 Aug 1998 Stew <stew-e@usa!net> wrote:
- "We skate because we need a thrill in our life to stay sXe (if sXe
- isnt enough by itslef). Skating gets your mind off of things and
- lets you have a thrill in your life. It can get your mind off
- violence, drugs, and all that shit."
-
- On 30 Dec 1998 <SikanderXe@aol!com> wrote:
- "Skating has always been related to punk rock; hardcore is a part
- of punk rock, sXe came from hardcore, so there's lots of skater kids
- who listen to hardcore and got into sXe."
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 4-14. Why is there so much violence in sXe?
-
- On 28 Aug 1998 Stew <stew-e@usa!net> wrote:
- "I am a passive sXe. I believe that fighting is more sissy than
- talking it out, because when you compromise, you have to give
- something up. Figthing is just plain selfish because you dont want
- to be proven wrong. I never want to fight anyone. That is why I
- always carry a gravity knife with me, so If someone fucks with me,
- than I can wipe them out quickly (although i hope I will never have
- to!) The hardcore dancing can be violent sometimes, and that may
- have something to do with it. Also, since we take things so
- seriously, then we dont want to fuck around, and we get to business."
-
- On 30 Dec 1998 <SikanderXe@aol!com> wrote:
- "because kids are dumb....actually, that's mostly the kids who are
- sXe so they can hate more people. Don't use the actions of some
- foolish examples to judge the whole group. I could say "why is there
- so much violence in christianity (or islam, or the USA, or any other
- group for that matter)"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 5. About the people
-
- This section tries to present a human face to the straight-edge. Here
- you'll meet some of the kids who are part of the straight-edge
- community on the Internet.
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 5-1. What do you guys wear?
-
- On 12 Jul 1998 Jeff Cristiani <jef82@stlnet!com> wrote:
- "Don't listen to what anyone here is telling you. Dress for yourself,
- and don't judge others by what they are wearing, unless they are
- wearing the clothing of exploitation (and even then, don't judge them,
- just know that they are ignorant to other people's suffering)"
-
- On 14 Aug 1998 Chad McMann <askwhy@x-net.com> wrote:
- "Why all the corporate crap? Sure, some of it's unavoidable, but Nike
- Windbreakers and shoes? Champion sweat shirts? Yeah, support the
- corporate sweat shops and union busters! that's really helping the
- world...I'm not going to mention what I wear, because the only
- important thing is the x's on my hands...To any newcomers reading
- this, please don't take these answers as rules. It doesn't matter
- what you wear, and there's no reason in the world to go out of your
- way to find certain corporate shit."
-
- I'm currently wearing a stussy sweat shirt under a birdhouse
- skateboards t-shirt with "I love cigarette smoke in my face", a pair
- of XL Fuct jeans, a pair of black Etnies, and my trusty Billabong
- snowboarding backpack. Under my NY baseball cap I sport a marine
- haircut.
-
- On 28 Jul 1997 Beverly <ihames@unlinfo!unl!edu> wrote:
- "Well, I don't exactly wear the typical sXe dress. I mean I got my
- little neckalce with the XXX on it, got the beads god knows where.
- It really doesn't matter that much. I guess I am kind of into the
- mod/glamour/riot/rude grrl style. I don't know, that is what people
- tell me i guess. It just depends, like when I skate I got the etnies
- or whatever. The shorts, but hen of course, I guess we might be
- different, cause well, I am a girl. But umm, if you wanna know I
- just go fer the pants, like nice ones, polyester, whatever, just
- rolled up, or the right length kind of 50's style, the whole little
- Gidgit beach scene. Got my shirts, they fit. I don't know, just
- like to have a lot of style. Got short hair, bleached blonde. I don't
- know, like this is helping anything. I hate shorts, they suck. OH
- yeah, and about that leisure suit, try the Salvation Army or
- Goodwill, they have tons of them lying around, of if you want a bit
- nicer one, I'd try a vintage shop, just don't let them rip you off."
-
- On 28 July 1997 X GLEN CONFRONT X <gconfront@aol!com> wrote:
- "I usually just wear some baggy shorts, t-shirt, and low top vans.
- Whatever suits you is cool."
-
- On 27 July 1997 xDeltaT.A.C.x <deltatac@juno!com> wrote:
- "It doesn't matter how you dress in the HC scene. As long as your
- loyal to HC then I respect you. If you must know, I myself wear
- baggy ass pants with HC band shirts or sXe shirts. Basketball
- jerseys are the best for me. I skate, so I wear DC skate shoes
- (torn up) and skateboarding shirts. That's me. Oh, and I have a
- shaved head because I got sick of my long ass skater hair. I've
- seen alot of HC kids wear just about anything. So choose what you
- like but be loyal."
-
- On 27 July 1997 Porcell <SchismHQ@aol!com> wrote:
- "Shirt: any old HC band shirt in good condition. It isn't cool to
- wear new shirts, you know. Look for these bands Project X (my
- old band), Youth Of Today tour 88' shirt, Judge Schism logo, Bold
- shirt with Crippled Youth logo on back, Chain Of Strength "true
- till death" design, NFAA "NO" design, Wide Awake 7" design, and
- anything from 80-83. Thrasher shirts are rad, too.
-
- "Shorts (for the summer): This is crucial! They have to have cargo
- pockets, and usually tan is the best. But nothing beats a
- good pair of camo shorts. But don't be a dirtbag and cut pants,
- buy them as shorts. Make sure you wear a belt, too.
-
- "Pants (for the winter): Another crucial item! I hardly ever wear
- pants, but when it comes time, it has to be either tight-ish (not
- too tight, though) blue jeans, a little rolled at the bottom, camo
- pants, or cargo pants(tan, of course). As always, you want a belt
- with them. Don't cut the bottoms either!
-
- "Shoes: Alright, you have some choices here. Air Jordan's are
- probably the best because you can do the highest kicks and dives
- with them. Yo, check out Matt Pinkus on the Judge lp, you think
- that's possible with any shoe? Other hightops work good too, but
- make sure it's Nike! I like Chuck Taylor's too. For those of you
- who prefer lowtops, it's either youth crew Nikes (check out Al SSD
- on "get it away"), or Vans low tops (black, blue, checkered, or
- two-tone). I have seen some with the New Balances, and they are
- pretty comfortable.
-
- "Jacket: Man, this is important! Either Stussy or Nike windbreaker,
- or a Varsity Jacket.
-
- "..Don't forget the hair! Crew cut, Alex Pain, or shaved, it has to
- be neat! Gel is optional. If you have an X Swatch lying around, put
- it on!"
-
- On 28 July Schism Ray <youthcrewjams@schism!com> wrote:
- "the MOST CRUCIAL item of them all - the motherfucking CHAMPION
- HOODED SWEATSHIRT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! just make sure it's
- the pull over one, not the zip-up one! and remember, only Champion
- is acceptable!!! also, for that extra special youth crew look, you
- can wear white long johns under your camo shorts when the cold
- weather sets in. if you are in a band (especially the guitarist/bassist)
- you also have to wear wristbands - you know, the athletic ones. that
- should solve all of your dress problems!!!"
-
- On 03 Dec 1997 Sikander <SikanderXe@aol!com> wrote:
- "I guess I wear skateboarder clothes, just t-shirts and jeans or cargo
- pants. when it's cold either a sweatshirt or a windbreaker. nothing
- special. as long as it's vegan."
-
- On 17 Nov 1998 xrichx <XDicMilesX@aol!com> wrote:
- "I wear overalls sometimes, gap wide-leg jeans often, camo pants
- sometimes,running shoes or synthetic-leather work shoes and I love
- wearing my xturning pointx t-shirt and some days I wear a sweater-vest
- over my shit and I like my izod windbreaker and alot of times I just
- wear checkered bell-bottoms w/ zip-up beatle boots and a shirt that
- zips up the front"
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Subject: 5-2. What's with the tattoos and stuff?
-
- Many straight-edgers tattoo slogans of their beliefs on their bodies.
- This signifies the commitment they have made to those ideals, which
- like the tattoos are a lifetime commitment.
-
- Tattoos and piercing are part of the punk/hardcore subculture so its
- going to be found in straight-edge also.
-
- However, when you're planning to get a tattoo you need to think not
- only about what its going to say but also how its going to look.
- Remember its going to be with you for a long time so its worth the
- effort to make sure you'll like it in ten years time. For more
- information see the rec.arts.bodyarts Usenet news group, the Tattoo
- FAQ, and the Piercing FAQ. Both are available via anonymous FTP at
- <ftp://rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/news-answers/bodyart/>.
-
- On 15 Apr 1997 Justin <I.Horus@ix!netcom!com> wrote:
- "A body modification will not change your mindset, make you act any
- different, or effect you in any negative way, so I don't see
- any contridiction with a sXe life style. I think there would be a
- lot less straight edges in this world if a tattoo or body
- piercing disqualified you from said lifestyle."
-
- On 9 Jan 1997 refuge <ebmgieda@refuge!microserve!com> wrote:
- "i think the best one i've ever seen was in a show in upstate new
- york...this guy took off his shirt for his friend, and instantly a
- crowd gathered...he had a full-back piece that looks like it took weeks
- to do. it said "straightedge" in old english letters about 3-4" per
- character on his upper back, then the rest of his back was covered with
- the most intricate, detailed tree i've ever seen. it was beautiful.
- tattoos fucking rule!"
-
- On 9 Jan 1997 <xvincex@westcomputer!be> wrote:
- "got one... the youth of today fist on my left leg."
-
- On 9 Jan 1997 Ryan <ryanph@mindspring!com> wrote:
- "Personally, I don't think injecting ink into your skin is very sXe."
-
- On 9 Jan 1997 refuge <ebmgieda@refuge!microserve!com> wrote:
- "i have three collegate/strife/youthcrew X's on my leg. i dig them.
- my brother, brian got the phattest fucking straightedge tattoo...
- my mom took him out to get it (he's only 16)...man, it's these
- three story-book font looking black (about 2 inches big) x's with
- all these green vines wrapping around them, connecting them
- together. the tattoo is the best... he only payed 90 bucks for it
- and the work is esquisite, much unlike my own...i need touch up
- work, but i love them...i'm planning on another one soon.
- totally addictive."
-
- On 9 Jan 1997 Bhaskar Sinha <bsinha@ucdavis!edu> wrote:
- "the last line is quite ironic..."
-
- On 9 Jan 1997 X Natalia X <xscoutx@erols!com> wrote:
- "I like Teresa Brat's tattoo-it's a dragon with "poison free xxx"
- in oriental-type letters. It's bootiful. I don't have any though-
- I'm just gonna stick with my EF! fist and monkeywrenches..."
-
- On 10 Jan 1997 XConradx <xconradx@aol!com> wrote:
- "my brother took me to get my sXe tattoo in the summer. it's 3 x's with
- "straight-edge" written below it. on my upper thigh(so my parents don't
- see it, i'm only 16) it's nothing special artwise but it means a lot to
- me. oh boy do i plan to get more!"
-
- On 10 Jan 1997 eirix <eiriksv@notam!uio!no> wrote:
- "My friend has two carrots in a cross with an x in the middle (vegan
- edge..) it rocks"
-
- On 10 Jan 1997 elvis <sarah.and.gerry@bc!sympatico!ca> wrote:
- "I have a band of creepy trees arond my leg which form letters...
- V.E.G.A.N. I'm a REAL rock and roller."
-
- On 10 Jan 1997 XstraightedgeboyX <ian-one@demon!net> wrote:
- "I like tattoo's as well, I have a Crass logo on my arm not sXe
- I know but cool all the same. Tattoo do fucking rule!! I want
- another but don't know what to get any ideas??"
-
- On 03 Jul 1997 Leaf <nospambern@cyberg8t!com> wrote:
- "Gods... don't you love a good Mystery? This second tat of mine...
- this snake.. has affected me in really profound ways. I keep wanting
- to share it, explain it, put words to it... but of course, the
- essence of Mystery is not being able to put words to the experience.
-
- "This tattoo has changed me. Not changed, exactly. Clarified me, made
- me *more* me. It changes my appearance in such a way that my outside
- is more in harmony with what's inside of me.
-
- "The experience is so profound, that I've been joyfully telling my
- friends and family "tattoos are cheaper, faster, and prettier, than
- therapy" <grin>."
-
- XjeffX has "X straight edge X" tattooed across his back and comments:
- "What does my tatoo mean to me. Well, in short, my tatoo symbolizes
- my life long commitment to being Straight Edge. The symbols we mark
- our bodies with are not adolescents just "having fun" but rather
- marking ourselves as pure individuals. We don't go out and get dumb
- butterfly tatoo's just because they look cool. Our symbols stand for
- what we feel and what we will feel for the rest of our lives. No
- other commitment comes close to the dedication involved with Straight
- Edge. I'm proud to be Straight Edge. Not many have the dedication it
- takes to be clean their whole lives. And this is not just some fad
- that kids go through. Maybe for the kids who just want to stay clean
- until they are 21, this is just a fad, but for the TRUE Straight
- Edgers, this commitment is lifelong. Just like tattoos." [6]
-
- On 18 Dec 1997 AWAP <awap@aol.com> wrote:
- "A friend of mine, a tattoo artist who will remain nameless, got one
- of the COOLEST sXe tattoos I've ever seen. After he got out of
- the sXe crowd and started smoking pot, he had SELLOUT tattooed
- inside his lip."
-
- On 17 Nov 1998 Dominic Henning <henningd@ucs.orst.edu> wrote:
- "Ive got one straight sdge tattoo on the small of my back. Its about
- a year old. Its three bold X's going form black to red to yellow all
- shaded. Then theres a schrol that reads "true til death" I love it.
- It is in a place not that many people can see cos it's for me and me
- only. Just like straight edge. If other people see it, it;s ok, and
- i'm proud, but its mainly for me. I resently got two japanese kanji
- symbols right above it. They could be interpreted as sXe tattoos cos
- they stand for "true, really sinsere, and proud" I love tattoos and
- i think sXe is like a tattoo in your mindset, so why not get it
- inscribed on you for life."
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- Subject: 5-3. Who's who of apse?
-
- elliott
-
- On 09 Jul 1997 elliott <elliot13@postoffice!ptd!net> wrote:
- "My full name is jason elliott, I was born on Nov 24 1974, and live
- in Dallas (The Wilkes Berre/Scranton) area of PA. I publish zines
- (right now it's called Hellcat) but I have a hard time sticking to one
- name. I've been involved in hardcore/punk rock since 1989, but I'm not
- one of those people who sit and talk about how cool it was "back in
- the day" or whatever. I think punk rock needs more activism and a
- better sense of humor...on Irc my nick is Lucky_13."
-
- Elvis
-
- On 10 Jul 1997 "Elvis..." <dench@coastnet!com> wrote:
- "Um...Self proclaimed vegan warrior."
-
- On 11 Jul 1997 "Elvis..." <dench@coastnet!com> wrote:
- "xgerryedgex lives in a secluded heritage house in Victoria BC where
- he spends his time playing dumbass computer games (mostly real-time
- strategy) when he's not working. He is the friendliest vegan on the
- west coast, and he is full to the brim with integrity.
- He does sing in a band as of July 1st and he is hoping that it will
- be called MonkyBoy. He hopes...
- He does a zine and distro under the name of xburn it cleanx and hopes
- to start a label in the near future.
- He is married to a beautiful woman that he calls dench, and together
- they have three cats...which are all the family they need.
- He loves to talk about religion and spirituality and their place in
- a modern HC society, as well as all things pertaining to sexuality.
- Try him out...he loves it.
- His all time favourite band is Trial, who are second only to Bane and
- sometimes Earthmover...depending on the day.
- He will do shows for touring bands solely because he likes bands and
- most of the sounds they can make.
- Do not be fooled into believing he is a HC kid only, because
- xgerryedgex has vast musical tastes ranging from Elvis to the
- Replacements...
-
- "All in all xgerryedgex is a damn good guy. Visit his web page at
- <http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/2879/index.html> or email him at
- <xgerryedgex@geocities!com>."
-
- spitbrother
-
- On 24 Jul 1997 Ralf Sandner <RalfSandner@swol!de> wrote:
- "uuh. emm, real name is Ralf, age is 32, got involved with Punk at 14
- in 1979, putting up gigs in Stuttgart/Germany since 1989, writing for
- PLOT fanzine, constantly playing in bands since 1980...
- like punk of course ;-)
- hate the bad apects of punk today: major label sellouts, sXe jocks,
- gang bullshit in hardcore, the heroin revival in the crust scene...
- racism, fascism, sexism, homophobia becoming tolerated in parts of
- the scene(s).
- the scene here is pretty much divided... i, among some other older
- guys, am the only one who visits mostly all kind of shows (as long
- as they are not by major label acts) which can qualify as "punk"...
- so on every show i see faces who will never come to shows of the
- other clique... you have 77 style gigs, hardline sXe, moderate sXe,
- emo, "new york" hardcore, crust and hardly never the crowds mix...
- on the other hand you have the kids who watch mtv and they just go
- to every "punk" band on a major, without finding out that there is
- another scene...
-
- check http://www.diy-punk.org/spitbrother/ for some more info about me"
-
- Sikander
-
- On 03 Dec 1997 Sikander <SikanderXe@aol!com> wrote:
- "ok. my name is sikander, I'm vegan sXe. I listen to all kinds of
- hardcore, but I like old school the best. my favorite bands right
- now are ten yard fight, ensign, and youth of today. I'm from michigan
- where the hardcore scene is kinda crappy, but in the summer lots of
- good bands stop by here. I also skateboard, which I've been doing for
- 4 years. I've got a homepage but it sucks right now, all there is
- right now is hardcore reviews, I will be working on it during winter
- break though., so here's the URL: http://www.msu.edu/~khansika."
-
-
- Lars
-
- Hi. I'm the kid who looks after this FAQ for ya. I live Sydney,
- Australia with my lovely wife, our very cute son and two kittens.
- I'm an eclectic mix of old school and new school. I like my Xs big.
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