| From: | Kolbj�rn Barmen |
| Date: | 10 Jan 2000 at 12:29:36 |
| Subject: | Re: MUI dead? |
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kolbj=F8rn_Barmen?= <kolla@nvg.ntnu.no>
On 10 Jan 2000 james_jacobs@altavista.net wrote:
> From: james_jacobs@altavista.net
>
> I must confess I am not at all sad to see the end of MUI. In my opinion it
> was a bloated, inefficient, slow waste of system resources and offered hardly
> any worthwhile functionality. Also it helped to split the Amiga community
> into several camps, each running their own preferred GUI, and has also forced
> Amigans to live with MUI even if they hate it, just so they can run certain
> programs. Having multiple incompatible GUIs seems silly to me. I see nothing
> wrong with the standard gadgets, they are fast, easy and functional. MUI
> certainly is not easier to program, so what is the advantage then? If people
> want to change the look of the gadgets all they need to do is to patch
> GadTools, not throw out that whole subsystem... I am glad H&P resisted the
> pressure to include MUI in OS3.5. Once it was an official part of the OS, it
> would be there forevermore and would have to be supported.
Fine, very well.
Now, could you please point us to usable alternatives to the MUI apps?
Alot of those apps would never been around if it wasnt for mui. The
other GUI engines _lacks_ _alot_ to even come close to the basic
functionality MUI provides.
Or let me rephrase that, why do _all_ non-mui programs rely on other
(usually their own) GUI toolkits, why dont they just use the AmigaOS
gadgets?
Dopus uses it's own, H&P and quite a few others use wizard.library,
MakeCD and other use Triton.library, A bunch uses BGUI.library, lots
of apps use ClassAct which claims to just be an extension of the OS
gui classes, however, lots of programs that use ClassAct also use their
own custom GUI classes as well, AWeb for instance.
Personally I'm sick and tired of all the inconsistancy among the amiga apps,
I prefer using MUI all the way, because I *know* how to set up mui apps.
With classact/reaction all this has to be remembered by the author, and
a quick look at the OS3.5 prefs/tools/commodities shows that they do not
think about things like this, there is f.ex no way to tell the apps to
remember their position, not even a standard set of tooltypes, nothing.
The functionality MUI offers is actually one of the major reasons why alot
of people still use amigas, and it right up comical how those people that
use to hate mui seem to love gtk/gnome or qt/kde on their linux machines.
Kolbj�rn Barmen | a3k/o6o/6o4e/AmigaOS/MacOS/LinuxPPC | // T e a m
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