Labels:text | screenshot | font | black and white OCR: hat is Art? Captured, Discussed, etc. . By Cool-T, with Mendator, Trip, and Cardiac Arrest. Edited by Rusty #twilight buffer saved on Mon Dec 16 19:12:40 1996 *** Now talking in #twilight <Cardiac> What the fuck is he smoking? <cool_t> what's wrong? can't handle opinions that differ from your own? <Cardiac> cool: you're fucking BLASTED. <cool_t> cardiac: sounds to me just like you know nothing about art. <Cardiac> nyt: I trashed the original pic. <mend_> cardiac: chill ... <Cardiac> cool: I don't know anything about art? <Cardiac> cool: Hey, if you consider ascii and ansi art, then, you're right. <cool_t> cardiac: based on what you're telling me .. you sure sound like you kno very little. all "paint" or <cool_t> cardiac: no .. ansi and ascii aren't art .. they're mediums .. you don't "charcoal" art. (Cardiac> cool: I fail the see the "art" in that ansi. at ansi. <Cardiac> cool: enlighten me. <cool_t> cardiac: ok .. then tell me .. do you see "art" in grimlock's ansi? grinlock's ansi? <Cardiac> cool: I agree, thus far. <Cardiac> cool: no. then again, I don't see "art" in any ansi or ascii. Same wi h my own. <cool_t> cardiac: If spirit of illusion would have created the same content/sub ects,etc in that ansi .. but using a paintbrush .. would it then become "art" to you? <Cardiac> cool: What I see are interpitations of art. There's a difference. <Cardiac> cool: no. <cool_t> cardiac: So you can look at something, and YOU can decide whether it's art or not? <Cardiac> cool: As a superior being, ues. <Cardiac> err. yes. <cool_t> cardiac: wow. . you must be very very wise. I know art historians who c n't do what you can do. <Cardiac> cool: I don't look at the actual art. I look at the concept behind the <Cardiac> cool: And unlike a lot of "joke" ansis, soi's didn't have one. art. <cool_t> Cardiac: I suppose you even have a definition of what ART is, so that ou can tell an artist whether he created art or not, right? (Cardiac> cool: it's also why I don't consider Grimlock's ansi "art". it was an rendering of something that was already recreated into another medium. a mere copy. <Cardiac> cool: not an unbending one, no. <cool_t> Cardiac: I agree with your comment on Grimlock's ansi .. (cool_t> Cardiac: But let's suppose spirit of illusion comes up to you with that same ansi and says, "hey, look at this. I spent 8 hours working on this piece of ART." You ould tell him it's not art? You really would think to yourself, "that is not art. I know what art is, and that is not Cardiac> cool: as you should. That's all it is. It's partially why i'm trashing my modification of Image's spawn. There's not "feeling" being put into it, unlike say, ny rose rden. <cool_t> Cardiac: Are you thinking that there was no feeling put into SOI's Fr Coke ansi? <Cardiac> cool: No. I'd ask him what he was thinking. <cool_t> Cardiac: But still .. you just looked at it and said, "It's not art." can you make such a foolish comment? a joke" the wouldn't b art. simple. <Cardiac> cool: if he told me "I dunno, it was just a joke" then it wouldn't <cool_t> cardiac: I know you <cool_t> cardiac: I know you're not a fool, so why make such a foolish staten <Cardiac> cool: There wasn't. <Cardiac> cool: Every artist that has ever done it has put something little "piece" of themselves, of caring. That's not what was done. <cool_t> cardiac: Yes, he probably wanted to make the ansi funny .. t " .. it's still art as far as I'm concerned .. <Cardiac> cool: It wasn't. <cool_t> cardiac: What? He drew the ansi, didn't he? How was part of put in the ansi ?? <Cardiac> cool: But that's my opinion. <cool_t> cardiac: Not only did he put part of himself in the ansi, but the ans even has feeling .. emotion .. it expresses a mood .. yet it's not art? <Cardiac> cool: Do a comic book cover without any changes, without thinking ab t anything OTHER than the 30-40 someone's going to pay you and you'll see what i'm tak about. <cool_t> The ansi isn't "pretty enough" .. it's too "blocky" .. maybe not enough ine was spent on it .. maybe the artist didn't care much when drawing it .. therefor it's no art. < laugh> <Cardiac> cool: I don't see it. When he gets here, I'll ask him. <cool_t> cardiac: no no ... I am aware of how there is no meaning in comic rips tc. .. bla bla bla .. that's not the question here. ks aren't <Cardiac> cool: Beauty has nothing to do with it. some of Picasso's greatest "pretty". <cool_t> That is especially not the point in question because SOI's ansi wasn' a comic rip .. <Cardiac> cool: it's not. it was a comparsion. <cool_t> cardiac: I was being sarcastic, silly. <cool_t> cardiac: OFCOURSE beauty has nothing to do with it. <Cardiac> cool: oh. sorry. <Cardiac> cool: get that. I'll show you what I mean. <Cardiac> cool: look at it. <cool_t> cardiac: ok .. i looked at it. your point? <Cardiac> cool: There's a difference between that, and say grimlocks and soi's si <trip_> card: soi's work this month sucked .. i dont get it .. last n ked it .. this month, crap. <cool_t> cardiac: ofcourse there's a difference .. but to say that it "art" than soi's original little ansi is .. well .. very silly. <Cardiac> trip: It's the concept behind it we're talking about it. <cool_t> cardiac: it's not just silly .. it's somewhat conceded. <Cardiac> cool: it's not art. if you don't care or give to shits wha ou're doing, then it's not art. (cool_t> even if he says "aah, that ansi was a joke .. i just threw it together. as a joke .. ust threw it , that doesn't mean it's not "art." <trip_> art is art is art .. gl *.* is no more art than soi *.*... however, gl *.* is BETTER. : > <trip_> at least this month. <Cardiac> trip you can't say that. <trip_> card: i just did. <trip_> :> <trip_> its better in MY OPINION. <cool_t> cardiac: That may be your little personal definition of "what art is". but I hate to inform you .. your definition means jack shit in the real world. <cool_t> cardiac: besides the fact .. you said it's not art when you don't even K NOW whether the artist was serious or not in a purpose. <Cardiac> cool: ANything you think in this world means jack shit. Your point? <cool_t> cardiac: my point is that you're a fool to go around saying what's art and what's not .. though I'm sure you'll learn that later in life. <Cardiac> cool: I asked him in a indirect way. when soi logs on, I'll ask hin wh at was his purpose of that pic. <Cardiac> cool: If you say. <Cardiac> owners of art galleries have agreed with on me on it. <cool_t> cardiac: You don't even KNOW the artist's intentions , and you ALREADY have made a STATEMENT that it is NOT art. Then you tell me that it is the artist's inten tions (whether they cared, basically), that depend whether it's art or not? Funny. yone to think <mend_> card: chill .. let everyone have their own opinion .. you can't force ever like you <cool_t> Cardiac: Artists and historians everywhere have differing definitions o f what art is. It's something philosiphers have argued about for centuries. Don't go and think you have the right definition of what art is .. really. <Cardiac> Cool: It don't MATTER, it's was already released. I'm pre justiced agai 1. I'm prej nst it. <Cardiac> cool: I never said I did. <cool_t> Cardiac: but you did .. you are telling me what what makes a piece of ar ece of t, a piece of art. therefore you are telling me your definition of art. <Cardiac> mind: We're discussing Art and the concept behind it, not ansi par say <Cardiac> cool: I never said it was 100% right. <Cardiac> mind: Ansi is not art. <cool_t> cardiac: nobody's saying you said it was 100% right. You just it IS thi s way. ‹Cardiac> cool: it is. <cool_t> cardiac: anything created with ansi is not art? Is that what you mean b "ansi is not art?" <Cardiac> cool: for me. <cool_t> cardiac: So because of the medium used, it's not art, in your opinion? <Cardiac> cool: Ansi inself is not art. just like in itself paint and a brush is n't. or acrylic and an <Cardiac> cool: it's a medium. just like you said. Same as instruments to music. airbrush isn't. <cool_t> cardiac: exactly. That's what i said to you earlier. That's also why I questioned what you meant by "ansi is not art." <Cardiac> cool: because it isn't. <Cardiac> cool: it's what you do with it. <mend_> card: without a medium you can't do art .. right? <cool_t> cardiac: exactly. it's a medium. is there any reason why you decide to bring that up again? <cool_t> decide=decided <Cardiac> cool: I think deeply's work was better than Grim's ansi because he did n't COPY. he put thought into it. <cool_t> cardiac: Yes, I would agree on that point. (Cardiac> cool: Although Grimlock's pic is ART. he modified it. I have the comic he took it <Cardiac> mend: no, I'm not saying that. Ancients created art with a stick and w fron. et sand, or the art with a dirt. <cool_t> yeah. . well .. in the ansi scene. . generally all that's important is the final product .. not where it came from, or how you produced it. The majority don't give a shit. <cool_t> .. and I'm not saying anyone should give a shit, and get all artsy-farts y like cardiac and i just did. <Cardiac> cool: The artist and the person it's intended for should. <Cardiac> Cool: I'm an artist as heart. As are you. I'm also a musician and a wr iter. And if i do something, anything in any of those mediums that I don't care, it's not "art" <cool_t> cardiac: well. .. if I was a sysop. . getting an ad for my board .. I woul d want it to be something relatively unique and original(my own!), and also have some connecti on to the name of my board if not my board itself. cart into a piece of work .. i <cool_t> cardiac: yes. . when you don't put any heart into a piece of work .. it d oes lose sone <cool_t> hhm. . what if you put no heart into a piece of work, but someone else g artistic value. ets a buzz out of it? Then it's not art to you, but it's art to them. nt that, I do <Cardiac> cool: exactly. No one EVER does that for my board though. so when I wa it myself. otherwise I just want a good looking ansi. <cool_t> as someone once said .. "art is in the eye of the beholder." <Cardiac> cool: and it's no longer art in my eyes. <Cardiac> cool: it was beauty. <cool_t> not just aesthetic pleasure .. but actually art. ting thing. <cool_t> cardiac: yet it can be art in someone else's eyes .. which is an interes <Cardiac> cool: most people don't know what art is <Cardiac> cool: and I have YET to see a person like that. when I do, I'll modify my belief. <cool_t> Cardiac: yeah. . probably a large majority of the people in this "scene' judge art by how "realistic" it is .. or how good the "proportions" are, etc .. <Cardiac> cool: when that person convinces me ... <Cardiac> cool: The vast majority does. <cool_t> it all comes down to .. "art is in the eye of the beholder." <cool_t> but art is such a vague word, anyway .. <cool_t> .. simply because it is used in so many manners. (Cardiac> cool: You notices in that little beginning of that pic, I added a part of myself ... but that part isn't enough to make me happy with it. but my rendition is an obvio us one. Grin's isn't. <cool_t> .. and if the MAJORITY is calling "art" what we do not consider art .. wh are we to say whether what they term "art" deserves the word "art."
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